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To mourn George Floyd, BLM and Antifa rioters backed by the Democratic leadership of Minnesota burned down much of business districts of Minneapolis. Similar but but not quite as expansive wanton destruction was wreaked upon the Wisconsin cities of Kenosha, Madison, and Milwaukee. But the Democratic nominee Joe Biden, who ran a personality-free campaign from his basement, wound up eking out a narrow win in Wisconsin and a sizable win in Minnesota, much bigger than in 2016.

Why?

One analyst attributes this to a difference in cultural preferences between two types of seemingly similar white Protestants of working and middle class status: British vs. Germanic-Nordic. The latter don’t like the former’s tradition of braggadocio, which goes back to Andrew Jackson and before.

I can’t find a line from a Garrison Keillor short story about a Minnesota minor league baseball announcer who confides in the young G.K. to the effect that “Norwegians refuse to be entertained.”

 
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  1. Well, a fair number of Germans voted for him in my part of Ohio.
    And Kasich has been kind of embarrassing since he got reelected to his second term.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Another Canadian
    @Redneck farmer

    It depends on where you live in Ohio. Cincinnati and the Ohio Valley have large numbers of descendants of the Baden Revolution who emigrated from Baden in 1849 after the fall of the Rastatt fortress to Prussian troops. Baden emigrants were political revolutionaries who didn't mind tossing a brick at a Prussian or Hessian.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Jake
    @Redneck farmer

    Exceptions prove rules.

    What the above exchange marks is the divide among whites of Western European origins between Germanic and Celto-Italic.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Polynikes
    @Redneck farmer

    And Ft Wayne, Indiana has a big German heritage including a large week long German fest every summer. Allen county (where Ft Wayne sits) went for Trump twice and is probably one of the larger counties in the country to do so. Compare it with similarly sized Dane County—home of Madison, WI, and this summer’s blm/antifa riots—and you couldn’t have two polar opposites.

  2. 1. Re: “Garrison Keiller”: stand-up comedians who’ve toured Northern Europe have stories about how strangely restrained the audiences are. Perhaps someone has a clip.
    2. Granting Uriah’s thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else. But…
    3. …we really can’t grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Well, with continued high Third World immigration levels they’ll have a much tougher audience.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Looking_for_Comedy_in_the_Muslim_World_film.jpg

    https://youtu.be/zAkQ-gvErDw

    It was a decent movie when it came out. While much of it involves Indian Hindus many of the comedic barriers remain the same. (Of course, you’d never be able to produce a movie like this with SJWs today. They’d cut both your fingers and tongue off “Game of Thrones” style.

    https://youtu.be/537wyCW5aAQ

    , @G. Poulin
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    There's a clip of the Beatles playing in Sweden at the height of Beatlemania. The audience listens to the music and applauds politely. Some of the girls in the audience start to quiver a bit, then they look around in embarrassment and immediately stop. Highly conformist culture there. Civilized but inclined to deliberate enstupidation.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    , @Mark G.
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account


    Granting Uriah’s thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else.
     
    After his first debate with Harris, I saw several commenters here at Unz.com remark that Pence talked slower and had a less aggressive and in your face style than Trump had in his first debate with Biden. Pence rose to political prominence here in Indiana. The largest ethnic group in Indiana is German and this style appeals to them. Former OMB chief and Indiana governor Mitch Daniels was like this too. A Washington Monthly article once described him as "calm, unassuming, likable, self-deprecating, and very smart".

    Hoosier voters did vote for Trump but it was more due to the state being traditionally Republican rather than the Trumpian style. There were also a couple other factors that helped here. Indiana, along with many other heavily German Midwestern states, has an isolationist foreign policy tradition and Trump showed some sympathy for that. Trump was also really the only politician at the national level to notice how bad things were becoming for the white working class in Rust Belt states like Indiana.

    Replies: @David Davenport

    , @Dube
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    …we really can’t grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    You're taking the fun out of it for the sophisticates. What's needed are studies of traffic patterns at malls where ballots were piled for pickup on the honor system.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    , @Dutch Boy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Norwegians are indeed restrained and relatively unemotional. As a part Norwegian, I found Trump's bombast off putting but insufficiently so for me to support his opponents. I described Trump in 2016 as the best of a very bad lot of candidates and I have not changed my mind.

    , @Anon
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    The full extent of the fraud is Zero.

  3. There’s an excellent article on civility and Trump’s lack of it by “Hoyt Thorpe” *** [the commenter offers a theory about the identity behind a pseudonymous author — my policy is to not encourage doxxing]. The point being that Trump’s incivility is not what’s expected of Protestants, and is actually more typical of another tribe.

    http://archive.is/jUY6x#selection-313.405-313.652

  4. Or perhaps he won the state. For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud? It seems like it is getting close to time for us to stand and be counted.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Ichabod

    The statistical probabilities of Biden's vote counts in certain states, at specific times, are beyond calculation for "math is hard" people like me. Scott Adams quoted someones calculations as 1 in one-quadrillion. It is hard for me to take Biden and the Democrats as legitimate anything. Hey, whatever is necessary to get rid of literal-Hitler, amirite?

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Ichabod


    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?
     
    Steve's avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don't think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Replies: @Michael S, @TestAcctforUnz, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Anon, @Mike_from_SGV

    , @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    , @Tex
    @Ichabod

    Maybe indeed. Here's a bit of evidence for fraud, ASOG has released their forensics report on Antrim Co., Michigan's Dominion vote machines. TL,DR, they are queer as a three dollar bill.

    The whole "where's the evidence" relies on willful suppression at all levels of the establishment so that every act of fraud has to be dragged out on a city-by-city, county-by-county basis like Japanese troops in their bunkers.

    https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

    , @TWS
    @Ichabod

    I think he's said there wasn't enough fraud to matter.

    Unless your fighter is throwing the match, when do you ever not cheat enough to win? Why even do it if you're not willing to go far enough to win?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Ryan Andrews
    @Ichabod

    He did speculate about it some right after the election—the Left have been saying that Trump is a fascist threat to the republic for four years, who must be stopped by any means necessary, so is it really so hard to believe that more than a few Democrats would cheat to defeat him? What else do you want him to say about it?

    We haven't been shown any hard evidence of fraud. Implausible vote results are not good enough, and frankly, the vote numbers are not implausible. Trump won last time by eking out wins in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—"blue wall" states that the GOP had not won in a generation. This time, the vote in those states swung just a tiny bit back the other way, and he lost. Biden, as an old White guy who presents himself as a man of the people, was able to peel-off just enough of the voters in those states to win.

    The two main statistical anomalies cited as evidence of fraud are 1.) that Trump increased his vote total by 17%, and no other incumbent who did so had ever lost reelection, and 2.) that Trump won almost all the "bellwether" counties that almost always predict the overall winner, but these two indicators are obsolete in the age of polarization (and increased racial diversity). The bellwether counties of yore are a bunch of White, rural counties, and rural Whites have swung hard away from the Democrats, especially over the last twenty years or so. At the same time, rural Whites are a shrinking share of the vote, and their swing to the GOP has been countered by a less dramatic, but still noteworthy, shift of the suburbs toward the Democrats, and by larger numbers of nonwhite voters.

    For instance, in the 90s Clinton carried Iowa and Missouri twice, not simply by running-up-the-score in urban areas, but by carrying most of the counties in those states. In both 2016 and 2020, the Democrats won exactly three of Missouri's 114 counties (plus the city of St. Louis), and 6 of Iowa's 99 counties. Meanwhile, take a look at the nine blue counties in Georgia around Atlanta: only one of those nine counties has a White majority (of 51.1%!) and 7 of the 9 have a Black majority of plurality.

    Of course, mail-in voting is an inherently insecure method of conducting an election, and the Democrats pulled a bunch of crap to make it even less secure. And early voting, some places were literally voting in September, is ridiculous. Pretty soon we'll just have a rolling system of voting because anything less would be disenfranchisement. And I would love to be shown proof of massive fraud, but the results to me do not look out-of-line. Trump is the rural and working-class White man's candidate, so they came out in droves for him, and the Left's reason-for-being is to oppose the rural and working-class White man, so their coalition-of-the-fringes came out in droves to oppose him.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  5. It would be interesting to break down the British/Irish category into specific waves of migrants. I think here it’s shorthand for “Ulster Scots”, the lowland Scots who moved first to Ulster and then on to the U.S., settling rural parts of the Deep South as per your map.

    This contrasts with the earlier English (Puritains etc.) and the later Catholic Irish who remained in urban areas for much longer (the stereotypical Boston and New York Irish).

    Perhaps it doesn’t matter – both groups are (relative to the Scandis) loud and boorish, which seems to be the only distinction that matters for politics.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    @Andrew M

    When King James VI and I wanted to crack down on Borders bandits his two governments did it differently.

    His Majesty's English government had to deal with the Grahams, who were probably of Scots origin but were then living in England. HMG expelled them to Northern Ireland.

    His Majesty's Scottish government had to deal with the Armstrongs, who were probably of English origin but were then living in Scotland. HMG hanged them.

    Replies: @Ian M.

    , @AndrewR
    @Andrew M

    Given that Scandinavians are descended from the Vikings, among the most fearsome and vicious peoples in European history, it's strange they have become the biggest doormats.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @Anonymous

  6. Hold it, hold it.

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don’t loudly support such ilk. If anything, BLM and others of this type have more in common with Donald Trump, and consistency would state that MI and WI would despise BLM and Antifa if they can’t stand the personality of Donald Trump.

    Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump. Of his generation, there was hardly any public figure that Old Hickory couldn’t compete with when it came to boastfulness, loud, etc. Trump = Jackson comparison is quite apt.

    Jackson’s pronouncements on the First National Bank of the US and what he planned to do with it, as well as what he planned to do with Henry Clay demonstrate that he and Trump are kindred souls.

    As Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump.”

    Trump is not the least bit Ulster Scotch. The Scotch-Irish originally came from the lowland Scotland border region, and are more of a mishmash of Scottish, Northern English, and Irish. On Trump’s mother’s side, he’s second generation Highland Scot. Incidentally, the Highland Scots have some of the highest percentage of Viking ancestry in the British Isles. So it is likely that Trump is, oddly enough, mostly German/Scandinavian in ancestry. Most of his affectations seemed to have been picked up from his cultural surroundings.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Alden, @Altai, @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "it would appear that MI" It appears, but we (MI) didn't. This whole election is bullshit. We'll see what my state rep does this week.

    , @Alden
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Trump’s father was the child of 2 German immigrants. Trump’s mother was not Scots Irish . She came straight from a small N. Scottish Island to NYC.

    Replies: @John Up North

    , @anon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don’t loudly support such ilk.

    Or perhaps they greatly feared having their business and maybe even their home burned to the ground....and many still have that fear. Even if not articulated, it is real. Such fear is a form of politics, and it's foolish to ignore it as part of the Current Year.

    Of course, in a normal time people would regard such threats and intimidation as criminal, even terroristic, but this year as been anything but normal. So it was all just "peaceful protest", and it definitely scared terrorized persuaded plenty of Upper Midwest Nice people into voting against the Bad Orange Man.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Crawfurdmuir
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    ...Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.
     
    This seems incorrect to me. One of Jackson's strongest supporters was the Virginia aristocrat John Randolph of Roanoke. He denounced the "corrupt bargain" that cheated Jackson out of the presidency in 1824 as an alliance of Blifil and Black George, two characters from Fielding's novel Tom Jones - Blifil, the pious hypocrite, personifying the canting John Quincy Adams, and Black George, the reprobate servant of Squire Allworthy, representing Henry Clay. This so enraged Clay that he challenged Randolph to a duel, which ended bloodlessly. It is possibly the only duel in history fought over a literary allusion.

    John Taylor of Caroline, also a Virginian, died before the 1824 election, but his book Arator, nominally a book on the management of plantations, argues the case against a national bank and the money power in terms almost identical to Jackson's.

    There seems to me to be little in common between the residents of Minnesota or Wisconsin and the gentry of the Tidewater. Were Minnesota not the unwilling host of 100,000+ Somalis, and a welfare haven for "tourists from Chicago," the state would probably have been carried easily by Trump.

    Replies: @Polynikes

  7. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    1. Re: "Garrison Keiller": stand-up comedians who've toured Northern Europe have stories about how strangely restrained the audiences are. Perhaps someone has a clip.
    2. Granting Uriah's thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else. But...
    3. ...we really can't grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    Replies: @Kronos, @G. Poulin, @Mark G., @Dube, @Dutch Boy, @Anon

    Well, with continued high Third World immigration levels they’ll have a much tougher audience.

    It was a decent movie when it came out. While much of it involves Indian Hindus many of the comedic barriers remain the same. (Of course, you’d never be able to produce a movie like this with SJWs today. They’d cut both your fingers and tongue off “Game of Thrones” style.

  8. In 2016 Trump did well enough in MN that Hillary’s margin of victory was smaller than the total for Eggs McMuffin, the Never Trumper that Goodwhite Republicans showered with wasted votes. Trump won WI in 2016.

    Any analysis of the 2020 reported totals is pointless as we have no idea what the legitimate vote count is.

    It’s true that Scandanavians exhibit a cultural death wish. I used to travel to Sweden and Norway but there are too many no-go zones now. Minneapolis is following the slide to the bottom.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @Slim

    There was no voter fraud in MN because the Liberals knew that they would win MN no matter what.

    The base reason they would win MN no matter what is the total defining of MN culture by Germanic, most specifically Scandinavian/North Germanic, culture.

    Replies: @Slim, @Mr. Anon

  9. @Redneck farmer
    Well, a fair number of Germans voted for him in my part of Ohio.
    And Kasich has been kind of embarrassing since he got reelected to his second term.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Jake, @Polynikes

    It depends on where you live in Ohio. Cincinnati and the Ohio Valley have large numbers of descendants of the Baden Revolution who emigrated from Baden in 1849 after the fall of the Rastatt fortress to Prussian troops. Baden emigrants were political revolutionaries who didn’t mind tossing a brick at a Prussian or Hessian.

    • Thanks: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Another Canadian

    There is likely a clear political distinction in German descendants from Northern Protestant Germany and Southern Catholic Germany. I know my Catholic German ancestors stayed in cities and were more urban and co-mingled/married Irish or Italian Catholics. Remained more “ethnic.”

  10. Excepting Ohio & Indiana, what northern white working class states did Trump win?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Supply and Demand

    Iowa.

    , @Ed
    @Supply and Demand

    None. Rhode Island was called close to midnight by cnn, hours after other Northern Atlantic coast states were called, it was closer than expected there.

    , @Currahee
    @Supply and Demand

    Trump 2016:just barely won Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin on jobs, immigration.
    Trump 202o: lost 'em on Platinum Plan.













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  11. @Redneck farmer
    Well, a fair number of Germans voted for him in my part of Ohio.
    And Kasich has been kind of embarrassing since he got reelected to his second term.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Jake, @Polynikes

    Exceptions prove rules.

    What the above exchange marks is the divide among whites of Western European origins between Germanic and Celto-Italic.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Jake


    Exceptions prove rules.
     
    If you say so.

    What the above exchange marks is the divide among whites of Western European origins between Germanic and Celto-Italic.

     

    This whole exercise is picking nits. British descended types are 70% suicidal and German /Scandinavian types are 80% suicidal.

    Replies: @Jake

  12. I dunno, I’m not sure if you can get much mileage out of talking about politics in terms of Core Anglos and Scanda ethnics. We’ve come a long way since then…

    Jews do this to distract people from noticing their political influence. The author of that Tablet piece you posted a couple weeks ago is a good example.

    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Austin Slater

    Yes, how dare Steve attempt to analyze American politics in a manner that does not assign 100% of the blame to the Jews! He must have been co-opted by the Zi0nists and is now being paid to distract us from the fact that it's all the Joos fault. Anything else makes my brain hurt - you have to stop and think that maybe all white people are not the same, that while they share a skin color there are marked regional, class, cultural and even genetic differences between different white groups and that this may account for the failure of white people to unite around a single candidate (while blacks almost always do). While blaming everything the Joos is just so simple and easy and comforting.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon

  13. @Slim
    In 2016 Trump did well enough in MN that Hillary's margin of victory was smaller than the total for Eggs McMuffin, the Never Trumper that Goodwhite Republicans showered with wasted votes. Trump won WI in 2016.

    Any analysis of the 2020 reported totals is pointless as we have no idea what the legitimate vote count is.

    It's true that Scandanavians exhibit a cultural death wish. I used to travel to Sweden and Norway but there are too many no-go zones now. Minneapolis is following the slide to the bottom.

    Replies: @Jake

    There was no voter fraud in MN because the Liberals knew that they would win MN no matter what.

    The base reason they would win MN no matter what is the total defining of MN culture by Germanic, most specifically Scandinavian/North Germanic, culture.

    • Replies: @Slim
    @Jake

    The Democrat candidate only captured 46% of the vote in Minnesota in 2016.

    The idea that the party was confident that the state was in the bag in 2020 and therefore there was no need to employ the dark arts seen in all other battleground states is perhaps touching but definitely preposterous.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jake


    There was no voter fraud in MN because the Liberals knew that they would win MN no matter what.
     
    How do we know there isn't massive voter fraud in liberal strongholds? For the last several elections, the Democrats have made a big deal about how they won the popular vote. They use it as a reason for abolishing the electoral college - something that they obviously really want to do. Maybe they're goosing the popular-vote totals by cheating in reliably liberal areas. It would be easy to do - who would ever bother to look? Most Republicans, being the good loser party, don't even challenge obvious election fraud when it is obvious and in swing-states where it matters. It would be easy to phony-up vote tallies in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, or the Bay Area.

    Replies: @Soviet of Washington

  14. I think I remember seeing videos of some of those Germanic-Nordic polling place workers pulling boxes of ballots out from under the tables after the polling place closed.

  15. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it, hold it.

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don't loudly support such ilk. If anything, BLM and others of this type have more in common with Donald Trump, and consistency would state that MI and WI would despise BLM and Antifa if they can't stand the personality of Donald Trump.

    Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump. Of his generation, there was hardly any public figure that Old Hickory couldn't compete with when it came to boastfulness, loud, etc. Trump = Jackson comparison is quite apt.

    Jackson's pronouncements on the First National Bank of the US and what he planned to do with it, as well as what he planned to do with Henry Clay demonstrate that he and Trump are kindred souls.

    As Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ron Mexico, @Alden, @anon, @Crawfurdmuir

    “Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump.”

    Trump is not the least bit Ulster Scotch. The Scotch-Irish originally came from the lowland Scotland border region, and are more of a mishmash of Scottish, Northern English, and Irish. On Trump’s mother’s side, he’s second generation Highland Scot. Incidentally, the Highland Scots have some of the highest percentage of Viking ancestry in the British Isles. So it is likely that Trump is, oddly enough, mostly German/Scandinavian in ancestry. Most of his affectations seemed to have been picked up from his cultural surroundings.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Trump's models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises. Notably none of Trump's siblings or relatives seem to behave anything like him so a genetic/family explanation seems far fetched. Trump is first and foremost an entertainer. Don King seems like an obvious model as well.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Jack Armstrong, @Art Deco

    , @Alden
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Trump’s mother was outer Hebrides islands. Lewis. Between Norway and the northern tip of Scotland. New York Whites of Trump’s generation are a unique cultural behavioral group, no matter what European ethnicity, nationality or religion.

    Appalling people really, compared to the rest of American Whites.

    , @Altai
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Ulster Scots didn't have much if any Irish ancestry, that was the point, they were planted to be a self-sustaining colony that strove to have as little interaction with the indigenous population as possible. This would have been even more true at the time they left for the New World. You also have to consider what type of person would have gone on the plantings and what effect that would have on the temperament of the population.

    Trump is an outlier in his family and seems to have adopted a persona in line with New York Asheknazi real estate developers who were prominent by the time he entered the business, one which is not terribly agreeable and which is very vexing to have to deal with in aggregate or personally in a dispute.

    Replies: @Frank McGar

    , @Art Deco
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    If my own relatives are any guide, Trump bears not a trace of a Scotch-Irish sensibility.

    Replies: @Charon, @SunBakedSuburb

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Also the larger point: Minnesota and Wisconsin probably don’t have a significant number of Scots-Irish (or even Scots) population. Minnesota, ironically, does have a significant percentage of Scandinavians. As you mentioned, Trump’s Highland Scots has a significant admixture of Vikings (Scandinavians). According to this line of reasoning Trump and Minnesota should’ve been like first cousins. In fact, he lost the state by a greater percentage than he did four years ago.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

  16. @Ichabod
    Or perhaps he won the state. For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud? It seems like it is getting close to time for us to stand and be counted.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad, @Tex, @TWS, @Ryan Andrews

    The statistical probabilities of Biden’s vote counts in certain states, at specific times, are beyond calculation for “math is hard” people like me. Scott Adams quoted someones calculations as 1 in one-quadrillion. It is hard for me to take Biden and the Democrats as legitimate anything. Hey, whatever is necessary to get rid of literal-Hitler, amirite?

  17. Last time I checked, President Trump is a German-American of Lutheran stock (now Presbyterian) and Joe Biden is a loud, boastful Irish-American. Try another theory.

    • Agree: Stick
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Laurence Jarvik

    The media didn’t spin it like that, though. How would anyone who doesn’t obsessively follow political blogs remember that Joe is loud and boastful? It was orange man apocalypse 24/7 for the 2 years leading up to the election.

    Maybe in addition to disliking boorishness some groups simply trust institutions like the media much more.

    , @Anonymous
    @Laurence Jarvik

    1) Biden is more acceptable type of tacky Irishman. He's never had a quotidian job, that is not to say a useful or productive one. Whatever you think of hotels and casinos they're harder to manage than two or three platoons of office drones in D.C. He even claimed to be in the top of his law school class or whatever scintilla of bourgeois respectability impresses German/Scandinavian diploma-worshipers and bloggers. Yuppie East & South Asians assimilate well to that kind of c.v.-polishing culture and aren't offended when Joe or his wife make gestures toward it. Quite the contrary.
    2) Not sure about the rest of the clan but Pres. Trump is only 1/2 German. I don't know what the Lutheran remark has to do with it. Lutherans are no more Default Liberal than the papists are, but in this society it frequently does pay off to posture that way.

  18. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it, hold it.

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don't loudly support such ilk. If anything, BLM and others of this type have more in common with Donald Trump, and consistency would state that MI and WI would despise BLM and Antifa if they can't stand the personality of Donald Trump.

    Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump. Of his generation, there was hardly any public figure that Old Hickory couldn't compete with when it came to boastfulness, loud, etc. Trump = Jackson comparison is quite apt.

    Jackson's pronouncements on the First National Bank of the US and what he planned to do with it, as well as what he planned to do with Henry Clay demonstrate that he and Trump are kindred souls.

    As Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ron Mexico, @Alden, @anon, @Crawfurdmuir

    “it would appear that MI” It appears, but we (MI) didn’t. This whole election is bullshit. We’ll see what my state rep does this week.

  19. Trump is not boastful; it is just really hard to be humble when you’re perfect in every way.

    But yes, his whole persona may as well have been designed to upset northern Europeans. In Denmark, there’s a cultural trait known as “The law of Jante”, which basically states “don’t think you’re anything special”. That’s not an audience likely to appreciate Trump’s rhetoric.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    @Sergeant Prepper

    Jante's Law is more about keeping you in line

    It's more like insulting anyone who tries to do anything differently from the loser majority....like you know...someone who has morals is frowned upon. Not believing in divorce will get you Jante's Lawed. Working through marital problems for the good of the children will get you Janted' Lawed.

    Most of the successful businessmen, like everywhere else, are 'characters' and very boastful

    The most Trumpy bullshitters you will ever meet are found in Scandinavia

    I've met a Norwegian billionaire and he was like a cross between Trump and the Russian Mafia, complete with Russian mafia-esque goons sitting around him.

    Danes love that s** like everyone else. Danes worship sex, money and power.

  20. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump.”

    Trump is not the least bit Ulster Scotch. The Scotch-Irish originally came from the lowland Scotland border region, and are more of a mishmash of Scottish, Northern English, and Irish. On Trump’s mother’s side, he’s second generation Highland Scot. Incidentally, the Highland Scots have some of the highest percentage of Viking ancestry in the British Isles. So it is likely that Trump is, oddly enough, mostly German/Scandinavian in ancestry. Most of his affectations seemed to have been picked up from his cultural surroundings.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Alden, @Altai, @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Trump’s models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises. Notably none of Trump’s siblings or relatives seem to behave anything like him so a genetic/family explanation seems far fetched. Trump is first and foremost an entertainer. Don King seems like an obvious model as well.

    • Agree: vhrm, Charon
    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Lack of morals?

    Biden fucked his kids' baby-sitter (Dr. Jill), ending two marriages. His first wife probably drove through that stop sign intentionally because she knew what Joe was up to. (Yes, wives can be family annihilators too)

    Then Biden accused the truck driver of being drunk, but cleverly waited until after the guy died so he could avoid a massive libel suit. The guy wasn't drunk.

    What were you saying again about Roy Cohn?

    , @Jack Armstrong
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Don King is a model for all of us.

    , @Art Deco
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Trump’s models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises.

    Trump had one model - his father. Cohn did legal work for all sorts of characters from mafiosi to dissident members of the Ford family. He had a wide array of friends and acquaintances from all walks of life. There is no indication that anyone emulated him as he was sui generis. As for Trump, his personality was distinct from that of his siblings from the time he was a child. His sister Maryanne's resentment of him extends as far back as 1958 if not earlier. (Note, some of Maryanne's remarks about her brother are demonstrably false, though, one might wager, not conscious lies).

    Replies: @kaganovitch

  21. Steny Hoyer – Germanic. Midwest. Midwest is full of intermarriage between Anglo-English and the Germanics. Germans/Germanics are the largest immigrant group as far as I know. They are not boisterous so no one cares about or knows this.

    Contrast this with the Irish who are LOUD and have their St Patrick’s Day parades about March 15 / I have eaten my share of pickled corned beef and potatoes, cabbage/vegs on those days

    • Replies: @Ed Case
    @Clyde

    Does per capita Meat Consumption figure here?
    I'm thinking Scandi descended people eat more meat and fat and not much vegetation, these people may be less susceptible to messianic hucksters such as Trump?

  22. @Ichabod
    Or perhaps he won the state. For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud? It seems like it is getting close to time for us to stand and be counted.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad, @Tex, @TWS, @Ryan Andrews

    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?

    Steve’s avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don’t think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    • Replies: @Michael S
    @Hypnotoad666

    He has talked about it - once, to say "nah, don't look over there." https://www.unz.com/isteve/benfords-law/

    The posts on muh vaccines outnumber posts on the election by at least 10 to 1, and posts on Biden/Harris outnumber by at least 5 to 1.

    It's almost as if conservative commentators want Democrats to win because it gives them more to write and complain about. That, or this is designed to be some emerging troofer narrative, deflecting attention away from the fraud we all saw with our own eyes and toward some ridiculous "oh it's big pharma shenanigans and if only Trump had taken Covid more seriously he might have won".

    , @TestAcctforUnz
    @Hypnotoad666


    Steve’s avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous.
     
    Remember this, next time he has a funding drive.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    , @Barnard
    @Hypnotoad666

    Whatever the explanation, and I believe the Democrats engaged in targeted voter fraud through the collection and submission of unused/unwanted mail in ballots, any comparison of 2016 to 2020 has to include a discussion of the large increase in voter turnout. Every state had an increase in voter turnout. Instead of arguing why Trump lost voters who voted for him four years ago, which clearly didn't happen, people who think the election was legit need to explain what about the Biden campaign inspired a large number of people who rarely vote to vote this time. Was it purely hatred of Trump? Since they had an unsolicited ballot mailed to them, they could be troubled enough to mark Biden's name and send it back? What was it?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/turnout-map-2020-election-n1249620

    , @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Discussions here are free wheeling and often off topic so feel free to present whatever evidence you have.


    150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.
     
    Sources please? Minnesota has same day voter registration so that doesn't seem possible - if you show up to vote and are qualified you are (more or less) by definition a registered voter.

    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this. I understand that many Trump supporters have a feeling that Trump somehow MUST have been cheated but you can't just operate off of feelings without real facts and evidence to back them up, the kind of evidence that would persuade a judge to at least give you a hearing.

    My personal feeling is that the election was stolen due to mail in voting, but in a way that was (more or less) legal - this time the Dems were able to harvest actual ballots from actual voters who normally could not be bothered to vote in person. In addition, Trump really alienated himself from many white (esp. female) suburban voters who just could not stand his style.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frank McGar, @Odin, @Hypnotoad666

    , @Anon
    @Hypnotoad666

    "As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties."

    Bullshit you've to be utterly dumb to believe that care to substantiate it? People who fix elections aren't that Dumb.

    , @Mike_from_SGV
    @Hypnotoad666

    150 percent, wow that should have been a slam dunk to prove in court if it was true, but curiously and oddly, Trumps lawyers could put forward no evidence of fraud.

  23. @Supply and Demand
    Excepting Ohio & Indiana, what northern white working class states did Trump win?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Ed, @Currahee

    Iowa.

  24. @Supply and Demand
    Excepting Ohio & Indiana, what northern white working class states did Trump win?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Ed, @Currahee

    None. Rhode Island was called close to midnight by cnn, hours after other Northern Atlantic coast states were called, it was closer than expected there.

  25. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    1. Re: "Garrison Keiller": stand-up comedians who've toured Northern Europe have stories about how strangely restrained the audiences are. Perhaps someone has a clip.
    2. Granting Uriah's thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else. But...
    3. ...we really can't grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    Replies: @Kronos, @G. Poulin, @Mark G., @Dube, @Dutch Boy, @Anon

    There’s a clip of the Beatles playing in Sweden at the height of Beatlemania. The audience listens to the music and applauds politely. Some of the girls in the audience start to quiver a bit, then they look around in embarrassment and immediately stop. Highly conformist culture there. Civilized but inclined to deliberate enstupidation.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @G. Poulin

    The Swedish audiences didn't have the planted instigators who got the mass screaming going in the USA.

    Then once that clip was displayed on the big 3 networks' nightly news, the mania was spread like a virus to all the cities.

    Spook Promotions, Inc.

    At the time, my next door neighbor's youngest daughter went into hysterics when I played a tape recording off the radio of one of their hits out my window. She screamed which [AM radio] station is it on?" Fun times.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Anonymous

    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @G. Poulin

    It's worth remembering that they weren't that popular, and many people didn't like them. The way historians write, you'd think they had 100% approval, but it just wasn't so, and probably not even among the young.

    I'd be curious to see in which countries "Beatlemania" actually occurred. Whether you agree with the "intelligence operation" hypothesis or not, it was marketing. Maybe it wasn't worth the effort in Sweden?

  26. @Jake
    @Slim

    There was no voter fraud in MN because the Liberals knew that they would win MN no matter what.

    The base reason they would win MN no matter what is the total defining of MN culture by Germanic, most specifically Scandinavian/North Germanic, culture.

    Replies: @Slim, @Mr. Anon

    The Democrat candidate only captured 46% of the vote in Minnesota in 2016.

    The idea that the party was confident that the state was in the bag in 2020 and therefore there was no need to employ the dark arts seen in all other battleground states is perhaps touching but definitely preposterous.

  27. Minnesota is two states in one: high density metropolitan Minneapolis/St Paul and everywhere else. The metro area is packed with people in thrall to progressive ideas and minorities. A one party town. Outstate is Republican, white, middle class. I’m hoping things will shift because the current governor is a power mad cretin whose lockdown strategy for Covid has completely failed. I’m not holding my breath.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
  28. Keillor might say something like, “Norwegians are suspicious of pleasure.”

    People who moved from the cold, dark north of Europe to instead settle in the cold, dark north of North America are either easily entertained or have no sense of humour whatsoever, at least none we of the Anglosphere can begin to comprehend.

  29. I’m not sure what the cause of Minnesota’s very suicidal liberalism is. I think this analysis is part of it, but not all of it. Trump did well in Iowa, the Dakotas and Upper Michigan, which would suggest that this analysis is too simplistic.

    However, if the whole country does eventually repudiate current American leftism at some point, Minnesota and Massachusetts will duke it out to be the last remaining hold out.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Foseti

    Minnesota was the empty frontier till the mid late 19th century. The American first settler employers didn’t hire Americans as per usual. For iron mine, lumber, grain mills, railroad building and shipping the products Missouri and Lake Superior port workers they went to a poor economically depressed part of Europe.

    Sweden had years of actual famine. Great source of starving immigrants for low wage labor. What the labor contractors didn’t know or didn’t care was that the Finnish miners and Duluth port workers were militant Marxists. The Swedes and Norwegians were militant socialists. It was real economic socialism, not ethnic sex gay trans warfare socialism as we have today.

    As soon as they could vote they formed the Socialist Farmer Labor party. Dominant political party in the state. At some point the tiny democrat party joined the FLs. Been that way since about 1890. By the 1950s Minnesota joined the civil rights for all but Whites movement.

    The main source of revenue for all Minnesota Christian churches is not donations from the faithful, but grant grubbing to bring in Muslim Somalians.

  30. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    1. Re: "Garrison Keiller": stand-up comedians who've toured Northern Europe have stories about how strangely restrained the audiences are. Perhaps someone has a clip.
    2. Granting Uriah's thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else. But...
    3. ...we really can't grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    Replies: @Kronos, @G. Poulin, @Mark G., @Dube, @Dutch Boy, @Anon

    Granting Uriah’s thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else.

    After his first debate with Harris, I saw several commenters here at Unz.com remark that Pence talked slower and had a less aggressive and in your face style than Trump had in his first debate with Biden. Pence rose to political prominence here in Indiana. The largest ethnic group in Indiana is German and this style appeals to them. Former OMB chief and Indiana governor Mitch Daniels was like this too. A Washington Monthly article once described him as “calm, unassuming, likable, self-deprecating, and very smart”.

    Hoosier voters did vote for Trump but it was more due to the state being traditionally Republican rather than the Trumpian style. There were also a couple other factors that helped here. Indiana, along with many other heavily German Midwestern states, has an isolationist foreign policy tradition and Trump showed some sympathy for that. Trump was also really the only politician at the national level to notice how bad things were becoming for the white working class in Rust Belt states like Indiana.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @David Davenport
    @Mark G.

    Hoosier voters did vote for Trump but it was more due to the state being traditionally Republican ... The largest ethnic group in Indiana is German and this style appeals to them.

    The KKK was popular in the 1920's in Indiana. Why was that? ( 1920's Ku Klux Klan: theatrical parades and rallies, mostly Democrat, anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic, )

    Didn't Indiana have a governor who was a member of the Klan during the 1920's?

  31. @Ichabod
    Or perhaps he won the state. For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud? It seems like it is getting close to time for us to stand and be counted.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad, @Tex, @TWS, @Ryan Andrews

    I didn’t do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden’s vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote–mostly Gary Johnson–that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But–again cursory scan–basically it looks like Germerica’s reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump’s Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff–Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump’s problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don’t target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this–cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people–and other peoples!–taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people’s pockets–cash or votes–in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it’s fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole–simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun … but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    • Agree: Thomas, Charon, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    BLM is an open fraud.
     
    BLM got a lot of people in the ghetto new flat screens but overall it backfired. Trump had his own issues but in the down ballot races "defund the police" was a big loser for Dems. Right now, Biden is telling his supporters, "ixnay on the efunday the olicepay stuff" until the Georgia senate elections are over because it polls so poorly among the general public.

    Of course even the "moderate" wing of the Dem party is pretty far left but Biden hasn't given a lot of plum jobs to "progressives" (hard Leftists) so far. Maybe things will be different under a Harris Administration but so far Old Joe is alive and kicking. People here didn't think he's make it to the debates or the election or the inauguration and just kind of assume he isn't going to stick around based upon the same nothing but it would not shock me at all if he made it all the way to January 2025 and even beyond. 8 years from now he will still be younger than Feinstein is today.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Prof. Woland

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.
     
    You are correct. But who has the guts to do this? And how could their message - no matter how compelling - break through in the current environment of media collusion and censorship?

    Republicans just wilt as soon as they are called "racist" by the media. So they are useless.

    Politics is downstream from culture as they say. And I suppose the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.

    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.

    Replies: @Prester John, @HammerJack, @Paul Mendez, @Desiderius

    , @Flip
    @AnotherDad


    Immigration is just other people–and other peoples!–taking the space that belongs to your kids.
     
    I have to think that President Harris is going to be fine with opening the floodgates even more to people from India who will drive down wages in the tech sector. That's what the tech oligarchs want.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    Conservatives are not pro White. As far as I can see, they’re not even against affirmative action. Or at least not thinking about forming a group to consider trying to do something about it.

    They are anti crime which in this country is anti black and Hispanic. But the anti crime measures of the 1990s have been complete overturned.

    Conservatives have lost every issue for the last 67 years beginning with school desegregation Brown vs Topeka 1953. They are total 100 percent losers in every way.

    Except for wages. Conservatives advocate low wages tax cuts for the very rich and all sorts of tax advantages for major corporations. Most Whites are wage owners, not independent business owners. So how does conservatism favor wage owners whatever the skill profession or occupation.? Conservatism is anti decent wages and most Whites are wage owners.

    As for Nationalism, America is against the 60-70 percent of the population that is White.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Hockamaw
    @AnotherDad

    I wonder if in our lifetime we will see a politician who gets in front of the American people and tells the truth about race.

    , @HammerJack
    @AnotherDad


    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don’t target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more.
     
    A very useful open fraud, or it wouldn't even be promoted. When and if blacks stop doing the dirty work for the (Ruling Class) maybe their propensity for violence will be addressed.

    That is to say, not any time soon.

    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @AnotherDad


    Trump was fun … but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.
     
    I agree, and it would certainly be better if Trump would just step aside for 2024, and enthusiastically get behind Tucker Carslon/Ted Cruz/Josh Hawley/whomever, for that year's election.

    But if he wants to run again (and he probably does), we may have to just let him have the nomination. No GOP nominee who somehow managed to barely defeat Trump in the 2024 primaries, would ever be able to win the general election. That'd be handing Biden a 2nd term.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    , @Paul Mendez
    @AnotherDad


    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.
     
    This is the kind of naive stupidity that GOP establishment cucks have been peddling for half a century.

    “Hispanics are natural conservatives! School choice is the new civil rights! Welfare only hurts poor people! Health insurance is a personal responsibility! A rising tide lifts all boats! If only we could explain conservative values more clearly, everyone would vote for us!”

    The fact of the matter is that conservatives are the only people who think in calm, logical and factual terms. Most people are ruled by emotions, self-interest, prejudices and wishful thinking. If you think in calm, logical and factual terms, you’re probably already a conservative and don’t need to be convinced. If you don’t, nothing will debunk your world view.
    , @Polynikes
    @AnotherDad


    Trump was fun … but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.
     
    He tried the legal route on most issues discussed here only to be stopped by the system. Everyone from Sessions to Barr eventually sold out. Those who didn’t were stopped by the judiciary, including many of his own appointees siding against him for fear of losing the republic.

    Some of you really overestimate the intelligence of these politicians if you think they’re that much smarter than Trump. He was after all the first to pick up on immigration as a populist issue and run to the right successfully on it—to much cheering from the intelligentsia on this blog. Maybe only Obama’s to the left and then back to the center in 08 is as impressive in the last several decades. And that was only after the financial crash and GOP insistence on unpopular wars basically gift wrapped the center for Obama.

    Trump was an old school populist who loved himself more than anyone, but somehow still believed in the system and American institutions. Much to his detriment.

    That’s the good news. The bad is that the “next Trump” won’t make that mistake. The next one will be in the Sulla/Julius Ceasar mold. I give it two decades. Three tops.

    Replies: @anon

    , @Desiderius
    @AnotherDad

    DeSantis seems better at this.

  32. @Hypnotoad666
    @Ichabod


    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?
     
    Steve's avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don't think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Replies: @Michael S, @TestAcctforUnz, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Anon, @Mike_from_SGV

    He has talked about it – once, to say “nah, don’t look over there.” https://www.unz.com/isteve/benfords-law/

    The posts on muh vaccines outnumber posts on the election by at least 10 to 1, and posts on Biden/Harris outnumber by at least 5 to 1.

    It’s almost as if conservative commentators want Democrats to win because it gives them more to write and complain about. That, or this is designed to be some emerging troofer narrative, deflecting attention away from the fraud we all saw with our own eyes and toward some ridiculous “oh it’s big pharma shenanigans and if only Trump had taken Covid more seriously he might have won”.

  33. @Hypnotoad666
    @Ichabod


    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?
     
    Steve's avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don't think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Replies: @Michael S, @TestAcctforUnz, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Anon, @Mike_from_SGV

    Steve’s avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous.

    Remember this, next time he has a funding drive.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @TestAcctforUnz

    "Remember this, next time he has a funding drive."

    Sailer got his nest feathered by some entity paying him to pretend the sniffles are an existential threat. He's a made man for globohomo now - the fundraisers are just gravy. Same as that guy calling himself Lion - both paid shills for globohomo. I think 'Exponential' Unz is merely genuinely innumerate and made a fool of himself pro homo.

  34. Is this statement true?

    It’s not possible to certify this past election because it’s not possible to perform a forensic audit in many precincts.

    There are a variety of reasons why it’s not possible; for example, the provenance of mail-in ballots is often discarded, leaving just a pile of pieces of paper. Recounting them doesn’t tell you anything, because you can’t prove where they came from.

    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Anon7

    See my link to the forensic audit above.

    If one machine or set of machines is bad, then if the same machine is uses elsewhere, can we simply assume that the rest of the ARE good?

    The questions answers itself.

  35. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    It expands to other Protestant spin-offs too. Biden also flipped Kent County, Michigan where there are a lot of Dutch Reformed and conservative Dutch around Grand Rapids. The Michigan GOP Senate leader said that was one of the keys to Michigan.

    However Trump kept the Dutch Reformed in Northwestern Iowa.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Anonymous


    Trump kept the Dutch Reformed in Northwestern Iowa.
     
    Michigan is one of the few states I've never visited, but I've been amongst the Dutch Reformed in northwestern Iowa (I saw Rep. Steve King in the Tulip Festival parade in Orange City), and I would be somewhat surprised if the ones around Grand Rapids are quite as distinctive as the ones north of Sioux City. But they don't let their Dutched-ness interfere with their right-wingery, you might say. They might very well think Trump a boor, but they ain't voting for some liberal. Which, come to think of it, is pretty much my perspective as well.
  36. I 1000% think you are wrong.

    I know Germans, and I know English and I know Scandinavians.

    If anything, true Germans are a loveably angry people who find Trump’s way of speaking intensely refreshing.

    German women love having a strong man, it’s why they raz their boys so much…a German woman with a son is a lifelong non-stop shit test.

    The few Germans who don’t like Trump are just jealous because they were failures at love/business.

    I’ve also heard Scandinavian Blonde Girls go Full Right Wing at Leftist Theatre Productions With No Fear and Full Courage so….

    And the English…ignoring the globalist London set who work for the UN/EU/Whatnot….They are cool too

    I think this post is Completely Incorrect.

  37. @Andrew M
    It would be interesting to break down the British/Irish category into specific waves of migrants. I think here it’s shorthand for “Ulster Scots”, the lowland Scots who moved first to Ulster and then on to the U.S., settling rural parts of the Deep South as per your map.

    This contrasts with the earlier English (Puritains etc.) and the later Catholic Irish who remained in urban areas for much longer (the stereotypical Boston and New York Irish).

    Perhaps it doesn’t matter - both groups are (relative to the Scandis) loud and boorish, which seems to be the only distinction that matters for politics.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR

    When King James VI and I wanted to crack down on Borders bandits his two governments did it differently.

    His Majesty’s English government had to deal with the Grahams, who were probably of Scots origin but were then living in England. HMG expelled them to Northern Ireland.

    His Majesty’s Scottish government had to deal with the Armstrongs, who were probably of English origin but were then living in Scotland. HMG hanged them.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Ian M.
    @dearieme

    Which was the worse punishment?

  38. @Hypnotoad666
    @Ichabod


    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?
     
    Steve's avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don't think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Replies: @Michael S, @TestAcctforUnz, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Anon, @Mike_from_SGV

    Whatever the explanation, and I believe the Democrats engaged in targeted voter fraud through the collection and submission of unused/unwanted mail in ballots, any comparison of 2016 to 2020 has to include a discussion of the large increase in voter turnout. Every state had an increase in voter turnout. Instead of arguing why Trump lost voters who voted for him four years ago, which clearly didn’t happen, people who think the election was legit need to explain what about the Biden campaign inspired a large number of people who rarely vote to vote this time. Was it purely hatred of Trump? Since they had an unsolicited ballot mailed to them, they could be troubled enough to mark Biden’s name and send it back? What was it?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/turnout-map-2020-election-n1249620

  39. OT but

    “Bill Gates says lockdowns could continue into 2022 and believes restaurants will be closed for the next six months
    Bill Gates offered his predictions during an interview with CNN on Sunday
    It came as the US set new records for new cases, hospitalizations and deaths over a seven-day period
    ‘Sadly the next four to six months could be the worst of the epidemic,’ Gates said
    He went on to signal support for coronavirus-related business restrictions
    ‘Bars and restaurants in most of the country will be closed as we go into this wave, and I think sadly that’s appropriate,’ he said
    Gates said he thinks the US will become more ‘normal’ by summertime after a vaccine is rolled out
    He also expressed optimism about Joe Biden’s incoming administration .” Daily Mail

    Who is this Bill Gates guy anyway? Anybody ever heard of him? His pronouncements re Covid and lockdown are taken as gospel?

    I’m telling you, the Great Reset is the transition to a computer-run America/world. From the Puget Sound Business Journal,

    “Microsoft is building a new data center on 200 acres in the Port of Quincy, Wash., which is in Grant County in Eastern Washington – a region that has the cheapest energy in the country…..

    Tech companies and other businesses, such as e-commerce companies, that use data centers have come under fire from environmental groups for their enormous use of electricity, both to run the servers and to keep them cool. The New York Times hired experts last year to determine how much electricity data centers use and found it to be about 30 billion watts worldwide, about the equivalent of the output of 30 nuclear power plants. About a third of that was used by U.S. data centers.

    But Quincy, which sits right near the Columbia River, generates energy using hydropower, a green, renewable source of energy. The new data center will be the largest of all the data centers in Quincy, three times the size of Microsoft’s other Quincy data center.

    Microsoft hasn’t said what it plans to use the new data center for, but cloud services are some of its fastest-growing businesses right now, so it’s likely we’ll see more announcements like this in the future.”

    The Biden team–those that count anyway–is already on board with this. Trump guys weren’t briefed and so, had to go.

    They’re handing decision making off to the Big Computer. Covid provided the cover for the awkward transition.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @ThreeCranes

    So Gates issues this proclamation; lockdowns will continue through 2022.

    Apparently the roll out of the Massive Computer which will know and run everything is not going as smoothly as hoped. Unassimilable variables such as those posed by the still-cash-dependent small businesses means they will have to remain in suspended animation until all the bugs are ironed out.

    Meanwhile everyone, stay indoors. Hunker down. It's easier to get a handle on you that way and reduces those variables as well. Implementation by incremental steps. Stay out of our hair. Do what you're told. Watch TV. Stay tuned. Further announcements from the DosFather forthcoming.

    , @Whiskey
    @ThreeCranes

    I predict that Bill Gates having made millions of enemies will find that the power to his brand new data center fails frequently and often.

    All sorts of things can cause blackouts just in the way of ordinary events. Metallic balloons, being one. They are an ongoing problem here in SoCal. And there is no way to keep all of the power lines under 24/7 armed surveillance. No complex, modern infrastructure can survive a populace with enough determined to bring it down.

    As Max Headroom said, Again. and Again. and Again. And Again. And again.

    The Deplorables IF THEY WANT TO, can do all sorts of things without street theater, burning down buildings, or physically confronting anyone.

    I figure enough will want to.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  40. Europeans and old New Englanders are similar. This has been noted for generations. Somebody said there are two types of Americans: Americans and those who are Europeans.

    We see it in the whole Red State/Blue State thing. Both Europe and the “sophisticated” Blue States were soft on communism.

    Europeans and New Englanders (not the “ethnics Whites” but the old Yankees) were aghast at Reagan. Such a simpleton. They were annoyed anyone would have a visceral reaction against totalitarianism. Embarrassing.

    It’s a shame we had to save them from communism. Seriously, they deserved it.

  41. @Another Canadian
    @Redneck farmer

    It depends on where you live in Ohio. Cincinnati and the Ohio Valley have large numbers of descendants of the Baden Revolution who emigrated from Baden in 1849 after the fall of the Rastatt fortress to Prussian troops. Baden emigrants were political revolutionaries who didn't mind tossing a brick at a Prussian or Hessian.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    There is likely a clear political distinction in German descendants from Northern Protestant Germany and Southern Catholic Germany. I know my Catholic German ancestors stayed in cities and were more urban and co-mingled/married Irish or Italian Catholics. Remained more “ethnic.”

  42. Its the same story as it is here in PA, the big cities rule. If they can’t do it legally, they cheat. Compounded to that is the cities sizable black and Jewish populations. Wouldn’t want the civilized rubes of the GOP to be call racist or anti Semitic? That is worse then death for them. So they let the cheat go, and the rest of us get it up the rear.

    As for Trump, what half baked attempt of a challenge was this. Jill Stein had recounts done within a couple of weeks. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve gotten quite a few chuckles out of the whole thing. However I really wanted a recount in PA with the hope that AG Shapiro had actually lost. Oh well at least I wasn’t a fool to go to the Stop the Steal rally. What little I saw and read it was an Israel first rally. Joe Biden will oblige.

  43. Count me among those who thought, given how close it was in 2016, that the black rioting (and, before that, the Muslim cop who killed the tourist) would tip MN in 2020. The increased margin is really one of the surprising results on the cycle.

    Maybe the Dems took it for granted, as with WI, in 2016 and didn’t make the same mistake in 2020 and added more resources. Maybe there was some theft there, too, but it ended up being less important than in other states.

  44. @Austin Slater
    I dunno, I'm not sure if you can get much mileage out of talking about politics in terms of Core Anglos and Scanda ethnics. We've come a long way since then...

    Jews do this to distract people from noticing their political influence. The author of that Tablet piece you posted a couple weeks ago is a good example.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Yes, how dare Steve attempt to analyze American politics in a manner that does not assign 100% of the blame to the Jews! He must have been co-opted by the Zi0nists and is now being paid to distract us from the fact that it’s all the Joos fault. Anything else makes my brain hurt – you have to stop and think that maybe all white people are not the same, that while they share a skin color there are marked regional, class, cultural and even genetic differences between different white groups and that this may account for the failure of white people to unite around a single candidate (while blacks almost always do). While blaming everything the Joos is just so simple and easy and comforting.

    • Troll: Charon
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Jack D

    A monolithic white American identity has been formed over the centuries, increasingly transcending regional and ethnic lines. Yes, those differences still exist, and are important, but the overarching White identity is in large part imposed on us by the Jews and their lackeys themselves.

    How many elite Jews and Democrats pointed out to the BLM rioters that virtually no white people in Minnesota are descended from slave owners? Has that fact come up in mainstream conversation at all? Of course not. Because the Jews want us to think people in Duluth 2020 are just as racist as people in Birmingham AL in 1920.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D

    And even 1% of the blame is too much for you to admit.

  45. Yeah, there’s something seriously wrong with those Germans and Nords in the frozen north. They wrote a whole book about, Wisconsin Death Trip-

    You people voted for Walter Mondale. And you killed Jesus!

  46. Off Topic:

    We always talk about how the #1 Danger to the Elite, is Elite Overproduction. There are a lot of Elite Daughters and Sons who need something to do.

    I believe that is why Covid Lockdowns are So Essential to the Elite in Places Like California.

    They need to put bars and restaurants out of business, they need to depress real estate so that the children of the elite can take over those bankrupt businesses.

    A famous restaurant goes out of business? Well…in 6 months…so and so’s hedgefund Daddy buys his Daughter the property and she turns it into a cake shop.

    Soon all of the businesses, from corporate to middle range, are own and controlled by the elite.

    It’s massive disenfranchisement of the last few american business owners.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
    • Replies: @Kyle
    @Thoughts

    "History is filled with the sound of silken slippers going downstairs and wooden shoes coming up"

    Voltaire.

  47. Minnesota’s infatuation with the Democratic party goes back to the old Farmer-Labor party that merged with the Democratic party in 1944 thanks to the likes of Hubert Humphrey and Floyd Olson. The old FL party was highly active during the depression period and stood for strong labor union support and support for issues favoring small rural farmers. Its platform helped propel many Minnesota politicians into the public eye including senators, representatives and governors too. If any ethnic groups deserve mention for supporting this leftist platform, it would be the Norwegians and Swedes, although of course there were many citizens of German, English and French descent that swelled the ranks too. I don’t think that Davy Crockett had much influence on the voting patterns of Minnesotans?
    A memorial statue of Governor Floyd B Olson on old Highway 55 leading out of Minneapolis to the now more affluent suburbs in the Western part of the Twin Cities. I don’t know if its hasn’t been defaced yet by the supporters of the other ‘Floyd” from Minnesota?

  48. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    BLM is an open fraud.

    BLM got a lot of people in the ghetto new flat screens but overall it backfired. Trump had his own issues but in the down ballot races “defund the police” was a big loser for Dems. Right now, Biden is telling his supporters, “ixnay on the efunday the olicepay stuff” until the Georgia senate elections are over because it polls so poorly among the general public.

    Of course even the “moderate” wing of the Dem party is pretty far left but Biden hasn’t given a lot of plum jobs to “progressives” (hard Leftists) so far. Maybe things will be different under a Harris Administration but so far Old Joe is alive and kicking. People here didn’t think he’s make it to the debates or the election or the inauguration and just kind of assume he isn’t going to stick around based upon the same nothing but it would not shock me at all if he made it all the way to January 2025 and even beyond. 8 years from now he will still be younger than Feinstein is today.

    • Replies: @Jack Armstrong
    @Jack D

    Joementum!


    People here didn’t think he’s make it to the debates or the election or the inauguration and just kind of assume he isn’t going to stick around based upon the same nothing but it would not shock me at all if he made it all the way to January 2025 and even beyond. 8 years from now he will still be younger than Feinstein is today.
     
    He seems pretty healthy to me.
    , @Prof. Woland
    @Jack D

    BLM is a proxy of the (((leftist elites))) that is used as the shock troops against whites. Their job will be to pitch a fit and badger non-blacks to make sure that none of the scared white liberals think about stepping out of line.

    Joe Biden will be the last white President the Democrats ever have. Once he has exited the field, the left will become a scrum where the darkest, most extreme actors will fight for control. The elites will still have a chance to maintain marginal control but only through an every more extreme system of rewards and punishment's. But to do that they have had to invert the triangle and put the bottom on top.

  49. We can’t conquer space without that uppity American attitude. It’s true Germany was the center of many breakthroughs. But I think you need true adventurers who will go outside institutions to really get things done.

    You need the impulse to go do something that the Snob Priesthood looks down on.

    Texas got it’s freedom due to rednecks who traveled from Tennessee looking for Comanches to fight! The European model was to send military forces first, followed by religious men, who paved the way for settlers. Makes sense. But it’s boring and you’re waiting on a bureaucracy to give permission. And institutions don’t like to take chances.

    Hill Country in Texas is well organized and full of Germans. A lot of them voted for Trump. But Austin itself is very liberal, a blue dot in Texas.

    They also have a lot of folk music festivals. Sorry, that strikes me as low-T.

  50. @Andrew M
    It would be interesting to break down the British/Irish category into specific waves of migrants. I think here it’s shorthand for “Ulster Scots”, the lowland Scots who moved first to Ulster and then on to the U.S., settling rural parts of the Deep South as per your map.

    This contrasts with the earlier English (Puritains etc.) and the later Catholic Irish who remained in urban areas for much longer (the stereotypical Boston and New York Irish).

    Perhaps it doesn’t matter - both groups are (relative to the Scandis) loud and boorish, which seems to be the only distinction that matters for politics.

    Replies: @dearieme, @AndrewR

    Given that Scandinavians are descended from the Vikings, among the most fearsome and vicious peoples in European history, it’s strange they have become the biggest doormats.

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @AndrewR


    Given that Scandinavians are descended from the Vikings, among the most fearsome and vicious peoples in European history, it’s strange they have become the biggest doormats.
     
    I have a friend who's lived in Stockholm for the last 30 years, and he assures me that Swedes are just like that ie. once they make up their mind on something, they all just collectively fall into line (so during the Middle Ages, they all agreed to be a warrior people, just as today they've all agreed to cuck the Hell out).

    The interesting corollary of this observation, is that apparently the Swedish hive mind is capable of changing very rapidly, and then all the Swedes who were doing one thing one day, will be doing something completely different another day. He claims to have observed this in-person, over the years.

    Admittedly, it seems awfully late in the day for the Swedes to suddenly awake, realize they are being extirpated, and resume their previous Blood-Drenched Savage Mode. But one does rather hope it will still happen.
    , @Anonymous
    @AndrewR

    The Vikings by definition were those Scandinavians who weren't happy being peaceful farmers and who went abroad in search of adventure and loot. Many of them didn't come back. They did not leave many descendants among the Scandinavians of today.

  51. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    You are correct. But who has the guts to do this? And how could their message – no matter how compelling – break through in the current environment of media collusion and censorship?

    Republicans just wilt as soon as they are called “racist” by the media. So they are useless.

    Politics is downstream from culture as they say. And I suppose the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.

    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Hypnotoad666

    "...the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State."

    To which I would add "the Administrative State."

    , @HammerJack
    @Hypnotoad666


    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.
     
    A well-nigh impossible task. And yes, we are doomed. The forces destroying us have been working for many decades. They control every institution. They are the Establishment.

    What would have to change in order to turn it around at this late date? The masses have been totally brainwashed by now, and it's even worse among the young.

    We're now at the point where lies against us are openly propagated by the mass media, and violence is countenanced (promoted!) against anyone who dares to expose any of it.

    , @Paul Mendez
    @Hypnotoad666



    “...the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.”
     
    That’s fighting the enemy on its own terms.

    The answer isn’t more Rush Limbaughs and Parlers. The answer is withdrawing from the whole rotten system. Stop paying taxes. Stop consuming worthless crap. Ignore stupid laws and regulations. Stop giving your money/data to Big Tech, Hollyweird, sportsball, MSM and universities. Passive resistance, monkey-wrenching, malicious compliance.

    Stop playing their game by their rules!
    , @Desiderius
    @Hypnotoad666


    But who has the guts to do this?
     
    Steve Sailer
  52. @Jack D
    @Austin Slater

    Yes, how dare Steve attempt to analyze American politics in a manner that does not assign 100% of the blame to the Jews! He must have been co-opted by the Zi0nists and is now being paid to distract us from the fact that it's all the Joos fault. Anything else makes my brain hurt - you have to stop and think that maybe all white people are not the same, that while they share a skin color there are marked regional, class, cultural and even genetic differences between different white groups and that this may account for the failure of white people to unite around a single candidate (while blacks almost always do). While blaming everything the Joos is just so simple and easy and comforting.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon

    A monolithic white American identity has been formed over the centuries, increasingly transcending regional and ethnic lines. Yes, those differences still exist, and are important, but the overarching White identity is in large part imposed on us by the Jews and their lackeys themselves.

    How many elite Jews and Democrats pointed out to the BLM rioters that virtually no white people in Minnesota are descended from slave owners? Has that fact come up in mainstream conversation at all? Of course not. Because the Jews want us to think people in Duluth 2020 are just as racist as people in Birmingham AL in 1920.

  53. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it, hold it.

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don't loudly support such ilk. If anything, BLM and others of this type have more in common with Donald Trump, and consistency would state that MI and WI would despise BLM and Antifa if they can't stand the personality of Donald Trump.

    Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump. Of his generation, there was hardly any public figure that Old Hickory couldn't compete with when it came to boastfulness, loud, etc. Trump = Jackson comparison is quite apt.

    Jackson's pronouncements on the First National Bank of the US and what he planned to do with it, as well as what he planned to do with Henry Clay demonstrate that he and Trump are kindred souls.

    As Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ron Mexico, @Alden, @anon, @Crawfurdmuir

    Trump’s father was the child of 2 German immigrants. Trump’s mother was not Scots Irish . She came straight from a small N. Scottish Island to NYC.

    • Replies: @John Up North
    @Alden

    I believe Trump's mother came from the Scots Gaelic speaking Isle of Lewis located in the Outer Hebrides.

    Replies: @Alden

  54. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it, hold it.

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don't loudly support such ilk. If anything, BLM and others of this type have more in common with Donald Trump, and consistency would state that MI and WI would despise BLM and Antifa if they can't stand the personality of Donald Trump.

    Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump. Of his generation, there was hardly any public figure that Old Hickory couldn't compete with when it came to boastfulness, loud, etc. Trump = Jackson comparison is quite apt.

    Jackson's pronouncements on the First National Bank of the US and what he planned to do with it, as well as what he planned to do with Henry Clay demonstrate that he and Trump are kindred souls.

    As Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ron Mexico, @Alden, @anon, @Crawfurdmuir

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don’t loudly support such ilk.

    Or perhaps they greatly feared having their business and maybe even their home burned to the ground….and many still have that fear. Even if not articulated, it is real. Such fear is a form of politics, and it’s foolish to ignore it as part of the Current Year.

    Of course, in a normal time people would regard such threats and intimidation as criminal, even terroristic, but this year as been anything but normal. So it was all just “peaceful protest”, and it definitely scared terrorized persuaded plenty of Upper Midwest Nice people into voting against the Bad Orange Man.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @anon

    "Or perhaps they greatly feared having their business and maybe even their home burned to the ground….and many still have that fear."

    Yep, they're definitely not Sotch-Irish in WI or MI. If the non-whites/Antifa types tried or threatened this kind of stuff to the traditional populations of Appalachia, the revenge in turn and in kind would've made real sure that BLM/Antifa would not bother those states no more. Traditionally, Scotch-Irish understood these sorts of things: If one of theirs goes down, they smoke/take out ten of the other side. Until they win. Fight fire with hydrogen burn, and until you win.

    Its not just this election yr that caused WI, MI, and these leftist normie whites to cave. They subconsciously follow the Who, Whom. If its non-whites burning down their property, then that's okay, because racism. If it happened to be prole whites, then and only then would they demand retribution. But nothing too vengeful, because some of the proles might be part of the LGBT community, and you don't want to look like you're vs that community any more than you want to appear racist.

    Nope, there's definitely not a whole bunch of traditional Scotch-Irish in WI and MN. (It was a typo all along, forgot that its MN and not MI)

  55. OT: Perhaps the next chapter in the Great Corona Freakout – mass evictions:

    https://archive.fo/Ryvkp

    One thing you may note from this article: the CDC issued a ban on evictions earlier this year. Apparently the CDC is empowered to suspend contracts between individual citizens. This was probably news to most Americans. Are there any other powers the CDC has of which we are unaware? Can they issue new currency? Require us to wear hair-shirts? Mandate that we sacrifice our first born to Moloch?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Mr. Anon

    Of course you aren't surprised to hear that a friend of ours, who has been trying to get a bum renter out for a long time, suddenly found out this guy could live for free in his rented home for another... year, will it be?

    I wonder if he can stop paying the mortgage since the renter won't pay. All this stuff backs up. I don't know where it stops.

  56. Are Minnesota Police uniquely F-ed up?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

    I can’t quite figure out why the Minnesota police did not release video of a handcuffed George Floyd fighting his way out of the police car ending up on the roadway. It seemed like they were purposely trying to make it seem like they murdered Floyd.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @George

    Democrat mayors/police chiefs wanted rioting and mayhem because they believed it would get Trump out of office. They were right too.

    This was more important than justice for a few individual officers.

  57. Anon[775] • Disclaimer says:

    I would recommend an episode of Gordon Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares.

    It is set in Chicago and the characters are like a caricature of all the topics discussed here. The course of the show would be obvious to anyone who understands demographics (so 10% of population) after 5mins.

    Two Scandinavian Midwestern cafe owners for whom ‘gormless’ is an understatement are being scammed by a street-er chef. Their staff (Anglo-Med) keep trying to tell them he’s scamming them. Guess what happened – the dumb cucks get angry with their co-ethnics and threaten to sack them. Even Ramsay warns them and they’re reluctant to listen.

    These Midwest morons bring it on themselves.

  58. @Jack D
    @Austin Slater

    Yes, how dare Steve attempt to analyze American politics in a manner that does not assign 100% of the blame to the Jews! He must have been co-opted by the Zi0nists and is now being paid to distract us from the fact that it's all the Joos fault. Anything else makes my brain hurt - you have to stop and think that maybe all white people are not the same, that while they share a skin color there are marked regional, class, cultural and even genetic differences between different white groups and that this may account for the failure of white people to unite around a single candidate (while blacks almost always do). While blaming everything the Joos is just so simple and easy and comforting.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Mr. Anon

    And even 1% of the blame is too much for you to admit.

  59. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Trump's models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises. Notably none of Trump's siblings or relatives seem to behave anything like him so a genetic/family explanation seems far fetched. Trump is first and foremost an entertainer. Don King seems like an obvious model as well.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Jack Armstrong, @Art Deco

    Lack of morals?

    Biden fucked his kids’ baby-sitter (Dr. Jill), ending two marriages. His first wife probably drove through that stop sign intentionally because she knew what Joe was up to. (Yes, wives can be family annihilators too)

    Then Biden accused the truck driver of being drunk, but cleverly waited until after the guy died so he could avoid a massive libel suit. The guy wasn’t drunk.

    What were you saying again about Roy Cohn?

  60. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    We’ve got a new religion that’s emerged but isn’t recognized as such because it lacks a divine being concept and is secular. However, it’s a religion nevertheless, impervious to rational discussion. It’s PC-cult-think, or whatever else one may care to call it. The Scandinavian types have moved to embrace it just as converts everywhere become the biggest zealots. The old religion they had was no longer believed in and faded. The new one infuses them with a reinvigorated sense of righteousness which is something that fills the void. It doesn’t have to be rational, just something that fits their needs. Other groups are somewhere else on the spectrum, some closer, others further away.

  61. Jackson may have been a “self-made man”-a concept which has evolved into something like a badge of honor in American folklore even to this day–but that description does not really apply to Trump who, as is well known, inherited his father’s real estate business.

    • Replies: @James Braxton
    @Prester John

    Fred Trump didn't die until 1999.

    Donald Trump was already a billionaire/household name by then.

    Someone like Nelson Rockefeller owed his success to inherited wealth and would have been a nobody without it. That isn't Donald Trump


    Donald Trump transcended his father's success by orders of magnitude.

    , @Alden
    @Prester John

    Jackson’s Family was landed gentry. Parents died young and he inherited a very prosperous farm. He sold it and lit out for the Indian territory of Tennessee.

    Replies: @John Up North

  62. @Jake
    @Slim

    There was no voter fraud in MN because the Liberals knew that they would win MN no matter what.

    The base reason they would win MN no matter what is the total defining of MN culture by Germanic, most specifically Scandinavian/North Germanic, culture.

    Replies: @Slim, @Mr. Anon

    There was no voter fraud in MN because the Liberals knew that they would win MN no matter what.

    How do we know there isn’t massive voter fraud in liberal strongholds? For the last several elections, the Democrats have made a big deal about how they won the popular vote. They use it as a reason for abolishing the electoral college – something that they obviously really want to do. Maybe they’re goosing the popular-vote totals by cheating in reliably liberal areas. It would be easy to do – who would ever bother to look? Most Republicans, being the good loser party, don’t even challenge obvious election fraud when it is obvious and in swing-states where it matters. It would be easy to phony-up vote tallies in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, or the Bay Area.

    • Replies: @Soviet of Washington
    @Mr. Anon

    Exactly.

    The 'Soviet' isn't on anybody's list of battleground states. Yet after adding 2020 data to my existing spreadsheet, I found it surprising that the average county went about 4.5% more Democrat over 2016. Now if that had been limited to the counties of Pugetopolis, I would have shrugged and thought little of it. However King county (Seattle and Redmond) had the 2nd lowest partisan change, and the change was most pronounced in the heavily Republican counties of the Eastern Soviet. Huh?

    Digging deeper, the vote totals appeared really high, even accounting for the change due to state population growth. Didn't have any hot ticket ballot initiatives or other races that would have caused ultrahigh turnout either.

    Did a regression chart comparing Total Presidential Vote vs. Population back to 1960. All other elections were within 2 deviations the regression line (wc: 1996 -2.06). But 2020 was +6.3 deviations!! And pretty uniform across all counties in the state, except one (Lincoln).

    WA Population Chg (from 2016 [est]): +432K
    Chg in WA counted presidential ballots (from 2016): +724K

    Don't have numbers for registered voters, but past data says about 50% of population change. Taking that ratio, then bumping up turnout to the historic high of 2008 (the year of Obama) still only gets you to 500K vote change. So I'd estimate 225-400K votes in WA state (5-10%) are suspect.

    FWIW, the GOP gubernatorial candidate is now suing claiming the (rino GOP) SoS didn't force cleaning of the voter rolls, certification of machines, etc. I think it's deeper than that.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  63. Yeah Trumps boastful, he’s like a cross between Vanilla Ice and Joe Dirt. I can’t tell which one he’s more of.

  64. Biden-voting white Minnesotans are self-important assholes with a giant yellow streak down their backs. These are the kinds of whites that would genuflect to blacks who were busy raping their children. Yes, they are that bad and that useless.

  65. Dunno steve, aren’t a lot white Wisconsin residents of german heritage? I doubt its some specific scandanavian thing with Minnesotans and simply that compared to 2016 white non-college voters basically stayed the same (the ones who voted for trump including those who voted for obama in 2012 stuck with trump, while the ones who voted for clinton went for biden) biden made big gains with college educated white voters, and trump made big gains with hispanic voters, while black voters basically stayed the same as 16, possibly a tiny gain for trump with them.

    If you look at the census, Minnesota is significantly more college educated than wisonsin- 36% to 30%, despite being less white 79% to 81%.

    Biden’s did do quite a bit better than clinton in dane county (madison) and the Milwaukee suburbs, but he did worse in the hispanic wards of milwaukee, and the western and northern part of the state stayed the same(trump won them by 20 points, same as in 16, which is more than the 5 or points that romney won them by but not the 40 point margin he got in appalachia or the southeast). Its the same pattern in Minneosta, rural areas went trump just as much in 20 as 16, but college educated white areas moved toward biden. The difference is in Minnesota those make up a larger part of the state.

  66. A simpler explanation is that the historically social-Democratic Minnesotans didn’t like the tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Alexander Turok

    A simpler explanation is that the historically social-Democratic Minnesotans didn’t like the tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

    This site desperately needs a Retarded button.

  67. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.
     
    You are correct. But who has the guts to do this? And how could their message - no matter how compelling - break through in the current environment of media collusion and censorship?

    Republicans just wilt as soon as they are called "racist" by the media. So they are useless.

    Politics is downstream from culture as they say. And I suppose the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.

    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.

    Replies: @Prester John, @HammerJack, @Paul Mendez, @Desiderius

    “…the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.”

    To which I would add “the Administrative State.”

  68. The big divide wasn’t brit v german nordic, nor man v woman and not even black v white. The big divide was between those who had their votes counted on election day and those who had their votes counted between midnight and 6 am.

    Biden absolutely killed it with voters whose votes were counted in the wee hours of November 4th, and it was those voters who put him over the top.

  69. Reminds of the old joke about Finns.

    ‘What does a Finnish man do when he wants to get a girl’s attention?’

    ‘He stares at her shoes instead of his.’

    Of course Finns have a very different sociological history and population genetics but Kimi Rikonen is their version of a the type of the type of man who gets tribal tattoos. (He has several on his arms)

    In day to day life Kimi is quite reserved. (Before you get some drink in him)

    Nothing wrong with this BTW, would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome? Much nicer vibes and people to deal with, agreeableness is nice except when a hostile ideology uses it to destroy you.

    The question is, why does Donald Trump have a total monopoly on these issues despite them being vastly popular, including among a great many of those who would never vote for him? Why is there not a more reserved intellectual Trump?

    Why is only a man with fuck you money and an indifference to what people think of him able to sustain such a platform?

    • Thanks: Dumbo
    • Replies: @anon
    @Altai

    The question is, why does Donald Trump have a total monopoly on these issues despite them being vastly popular, including among a great many of those who would never vote for him?

    Do you ever spend any time around American media?

    Why is only a man with fuck you money and an indifference to what people think of him able to sustain such a platform?

    The question pretty much answers itself.

    , @Jack D
    @Altai


    would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome?
     
    Yes, Helsinki is famous all over the world for La Dolce Vita, the amazing Finnish cuisine, the sunny Baltic weather and so on.

    Replies: @Altai, @Dumbo

    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Altai


    ...would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome?
     
    Is this some kind of a sick joke?

    ROME, of course.

    Replies: @black sea

  70. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Trump's models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises. Notably none of Trump's siblings or relatives seem to behave anything like him so a genetic/family explanation seems far fetched. Trump is first and foremost an entertainer. Don King seems like an obvious model as well.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Jack Armstrong, @Art Deco

    Don King is a model for all of us.

  71. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump.”

    Trump is not the least bit Ulster Scotch. The Scotch-Irish originally came from the lowland Scotland border region, and are more of a mishmash of Scottish, Northern English, and Irish. On Trump’s mother’s side, he’s second generation Highland Scot. Incidentally, the Highland Scots have some of the highest percentage of Viking ancestry in the British Isles. So it is likely that Trump is, oddly enough, mostly German/Scandinavian in ancestry. Most of his affectations seemed to have been picked up from his cultural surroundings.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Alden, @Altai, @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Trump’s mother was outer Hebrides islands. Lewis. Between Norway and the northern tip of Scotland. New York Whites of Trump’s generation are a unique cultural behavioral group, no matter what European ethnicity, nationality or religion.

    Appalling people really, compared to the rest of American Whites.

  72. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    Immigration is just other people–and other peoples!–taking the space that belongs to your kids.

    I have to think that President Harris is going to be fine with opening the floodgates even more to people from India who will drive down wages in the tech sector. That’s what the tech oligarchs want.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Flip

    Good. Whites built Silicon Valley then were fired and replaced by Chinese and Indians starting 40 years ago . Why should Whites care if the Indians and Asians are paid low wages?

  73. @Laurence Jarvik
    Last time I checked, President Trump is a German-American of Lutheran stock (now Presbyterian) and Joe Biden is a loud, boastful Irish-American. Try another theory.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Anonymous

    The media didn’t spin it like that, though. How would anyone who doesn’t obsessively follow political blogs remember that Joe is loud and boastful? It was orange man apocalypse 24/7 for the 2 years leading up to the election.

    Maybe in addition to disliking boorishness some groups simply trust institutions like the media much more.

  74. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    Conservatives are not pro White. As far as I can see, they’re not even against affirmative action. Or at least not thinking about forming a group to consider trying to do something about it.

    They are anti crime which in this country is anti black and Hispanic. But the anti crime measures of the 1990s have been complete overturned.

    Conservatives have lost every issue for the last 67 years beginning with school desegregation Brown vs Topeka 1953. They are total 100 percent losers in every way.

    Except for wages. Conservatives advocate low wages tax cuts for the very rich and all sorts of tax advantages for major corporations. Most Whites are wage owners, not independent business owners. So how does conservatism favor wage owners whatever the skill profession or occupation.? Conservatism is anti decent wages and most Whites are wage owners.

    As for Nationalism, America is against the 60-70 percent of the population that is White.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Conservatives have lost every issue for the last 67 years...

     

    Roscoe Filburn is rolling in his grave at that statement. Which probably constitutes "interstate commerce" on his part.

    ... beginning with school desegregation Brown vs Topeka 1953.
     
    Brown was the first forced busing case. As with later cases, the plaintiffs objected to their child being bused out of the neighborhood, for social engineering reasons.

    If you want segregated schools, turn to the churches, which are and always have been segregated. Not de jure but de facto, which is what counts. And your kids can say their prayers. Together.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

  75. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump.”

    Trump is not the least bit Ulster Scotch. The Scotch-Irish originally came from the lowland Scotland border region, and are more of a mishmash of Scottish, Northern English, and Irish. On Trump’s mother’s side, he’s second generation Highland Scot. Incidentally, the Highland Scots have some of the highest percentage of Viking ancestry in the British Isles. So it is likely that Trump is, oddly enough, mostly German/Scandinavian in ancestry. Most of his affectations seemed to have been picked up from his cultural surroundings.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Alden, @Altai, @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Ulster Scots didn’t have much if any Irish ancestry, that was the point, they were planted to be a self-sustaining colony that strove to have as little interaction with the indigenous population as possible. This would have been even more true at the time they left for the New World. You also have to consider what type of person would have gone on the plantings and what effect that would have on the temperament of the population.

    Trump is an outlier in his family and seems to have adopted a persona in line with New York Asheknazi real estate developers who were prominent by the time he entered the business, one which is not terribly agreeable and which is very vexing to have to deal with in aggregate or personally in a dispute.

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
    @Altai

    Very true, they were basically colonizers after the 9 years war. I wonder how much that tension still exists - Ulster rebellion was almost 400 years ago, and a lot of the Irish landowners left, if they weren't killed. In the US we mostly get along with our British and Canadian counterparts, but there's still an underlying tension when it comes to how we go about our politics. But most of the tension in jovial in nature: "Hey, remember when we kicked your asses?" etc. Wonder how it is in Ulster between the Gaelic Irish and the Ulster Scots now.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Seamusmocnahoople

  76. anon[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai
    Reminds of the old joke about Finns.

    'What does a Finnish man do when he wants to get a girl's attention?'

    'He stares at her shoes instead of his.'

    Of course Finns have a very different sociological history and population genetics but Kimi Rikonen is their version of a the type of the type of man who gets tribal tattoos. (He has several on his arms)

    In day to day life Kimi is quite reserved. (Before you get some drink in him)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i1jFcPwqoo

    Nothing wrong with this BTW, would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome? Much nicer vibes and people to deal with, agreeableness is nice except when a hostile ideology uses it to destroy you.

    The question is, why does Donald Trump have a total monopoly on these issues despite them being vastly popular, including among a great many of those who would never vote for him? Why is there not a more reserved intellectual Trump?

    Why is only a man with fuck you money and an indifference to what people think of him able to sustain such a platform?

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Servant of Gla'aki

    The question is, why does Donald Trump have a total monopoly on these issues despite them being vastly popular, including among a great many of those who would never vote for him?

    Do you ever spend any time around American media?

    Why is only a man with fuck you money and an indifference to what people think of him able to sustain such a platform?

    The question pretty much answers itself.

  77. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1338524067616468993

    Even if he only did it because he knows Assange and Wikileaks will be a thorn in Biden’s side, still.

    Whether you like him or hate him, only Trump would have done it.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Altai

    This MIGHT be true but so far no one else is saying this so I would rate it as unconfirmed.

  78. They have same-day registration in Minnesota. It’s a reasonable wager those electoral votes were stolen.

  79. Enjoy Christmas season with Karen & Richard Carpenter.

  80. @Altai
    Reminds of the old joke about Finns.

    'What does a Finnish man do when he wants to get a girl's attention?'

    'He stares at her shoes instead of his.'

    Of course Finns have a very different sociological history and population genetics but Kimi Rikonen is their version of a the type of the type of man who gets tribal tattoos. (He has several on his arms)

    In day to day life Kimi is quite reserved. (Before you get some drink in him)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i1jFcPwqoo

    Nothing wrong with this BTW, would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome? Much nicer vibes and people to deal with, agreeableness is nice except when a hostile ideology uses it to destroy you.

    The question is, why does Donald Trump have a total monopoly on these issues despite them being vastly popular, including among a great many of those who would never vote for him? Why is there not a more reserved intellectual Trump?

    Why is only a man with fuck you money and an indifference to what people think of him able to sustain such a platform?

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Servant of Gla'aki

    would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome?

    Yes, Helsinki is famous all over the world for La Dolce Vita, the amazing Finnish cuisine, the sunny Baltic weather and so on.

    • LOL: Johann Ricke, Dumbo
    • Replies: @Altai
    @Jack D

    You really haven't been to Rome in the last 15 years have you?

    Replies: @Lot, @Charon, @Jack D

    , @Dumbo
    @Jack D

    Personally I would prefer Rome, even if just for the weather, the sights and the food. Traffic and daily life stuff are probably better in Helsinki...

    (I've never been to Helsinki, but I was not impressed with Rejkjavik - is it similar? I hope not.)

    Replies: @black sea

  81. As to why the riots didn’t lead to voting for Trump, the obvious answer is that he didn’t stop them. And don’t tell me that was a “clever strategy to show people the consequences of Democratic rule.” He didn’t do anything because he’s weak, on this issue just like on the past twenty issues where he made Twitter threats with no follow-through. Trump opponents know it. Swing voters know it. Reluctant Trump voters know it. And deep down, his fans know it too.

  82. So, the humorless Scandinavians of Minnesota were more put off by Trump’s Yankee bluster than they were by Kamala’s organized efforts to support the animals who torched and pillaged there?

  83. Boastfulness is a big part of British-American deep folk culture: see the tales of Davy Crockett and Mike Fink, an Ohio keelboat operator around 1800.

    As depicted in the film The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean(1972) (Snake River Rufus Krile played by Neil Summers):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2r5pNGNXpU&feature=youtu.be

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @the one they call Desanex

    Goddamn video didn’t “embed”, or whatever you call it. Trying again.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2r5pNGNXpU&feature=emb_logo

  84. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    BLM is an open fraud.
     
    BLM got a lot of people in the ghetto new flat screens but overall it backfired. Trump had his own issues but in the down ballot races "defund the police" was a big loser for Dems. Right now, Biden is telling his supporters, "ixnay on the efunday the olicepay stuff" until the Georgia senate elections are over because it polls so poorly among the general public.

    Of course even the "moderate" wing of the Dem party is pretty far left but Biden hasn't given a lot of plum jobs to "progressives" (hard Leftists) so far. Maybe things will be different under a Harris Administration but so far Old Joe is alive and kicking. People here didn't think he's make it to the debates or the election or the inauguration and just kind of assume he isn't going to stick around based upon the same nothing but it would not shock me at all if he made it all the way to January 2025 and even beyond. 8 years from now he will still be younger than Feinstein is today.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Prof. Woland

    Joementum!

    People here didn’t think he’s make it to the debates or the election or the inauguration and just kind of assume he isn’t going to stick around based upon the same nothing but it would not shock me at all if he made it all the way to January 2025 and even beyond. 8 years from now he will still be younger than Feinstein is today.

    He seems pretty healthy to me.

  85. @Altai
    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1338524067616468993

    Even if he only did it because he knows Assange and Wikileaks will be a thorn in Biden's side, still.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuBQkdsajVE

    Whether you like him or hate him, only Trump would have done it.

    Replies: @Jack D

    This MIGHT be true but so far no one else is saying this so I would rate it as unconfirmed.

  86. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Trump's models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises. Notably none of Trump's siblings or relatives seem to behave anything like him so a genetic/family explanation seems far fetched. Trump is first and foremost an entertainer. Don King seems like an obvious model as well.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Jack Armstrong, @Art Deco

    Trump’s models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises.

    Trump had one model – his father. Cohn did legal work for all sorts of characters from mafiosi to dissident members of the Ford family. He had a wide array of friends and acquaintances from all walks of life. There is no indication that anyone emulated him as he was sui generis. As for Trump, his personality was distinct from that of his siblings from the time he was a child. His sister Maryanne’s resentment of him extends as far back as 1958 if not earlier. (Note, some of Maryanne’s remarks about her brother are demonstrably false, though, one might wager, not conscious lies).

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Art Deco

    Trump had one model – his father.

    One could make a case - Steve has in the past- for George Steinbrenner as well.

  87. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump.”

    Trump is not the least bit Ulster Scotch. The Scotch-Irish originally came from the lowland Scotland border region, and are more of a mishmash of Scottish, Northern English, and Irish. On Trump’s mother’s side, he’s second generation Highland Scot. Incidentally, the Highland Scots have some of the highest percentage of Viking ancestry in the British Isles. So it is likely that Trump is, oddly enough, mostly German/Scandinavian in ancestry. Most of his affectations seemed to have been picked up from his cultural surroundings.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Alden, @Altai, @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If my own relatives are any guide, Trump bears not a trace of a Scotch-Irish sensibility.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Art Deco

    Your own relatives are Jews on one side and blacks on the other. Despite your 'internet claims'. Why didn't you run for president?

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Art Deco

    "guide"

    Hey. Still waiting on your magnum opie: Pish Posh! A Field Guide To Moronic Conspiracy Theories And The Morons Who Spread Such Rubbish with a forward by Bill O'Reilly. Will it still be published by Michael Shermer's Skeptical imprint? Shermer tried to get Twitter to eliminate my threads on the cabal of sinister rabbis who created the Thule Society in 1920s Vienna. Shermer's a Babylonian agent. By the time your tome lumbers into Tower Books my Barbara Bush Daughter of Aleister Crowley and Hitler's Rothschild Blood theories will be in circulation and undebunkable. Still waiting on the pix of your den. Wait until spring and send them to my snow cone stand in Shasta County. I'm opening up regardless of Governor Yorga's edicts. And yes, I will return to my trail-guide position on Mt. Shasta. I always meet the most interesting fat and juicy Eastcoasters and other foreigners whilst on the job. Sometimes they disappear. It's a mysterious mountain.

  88. @Ichabod
    Or perhaps he won the state. For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud? It seems like it is getting close to time for us to stand and be counted.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad, @Tex, @TWS, @Ryan Andrews

    Maybe indeed. Here’s a bit of evidence for fraud, ASOG has released their forensics report on Antrim Co., Michigan’s Dominion vote machines. TL,DR, they are queer as a three dollar bill.

    The whole “where’s the evidence” relies on willful suppression at all levels of the establishment so that every act of fraud has to be dragged out on a city-by-city, county-by-county basis like Japanese troops in their bunkers.

    https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf

  89. @Hypnotoad666
    @Ichabod


    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?
     
    Steve's avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don't think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Replies: @Michael S, @TestAcctforUnz, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Anon, @Mike_from_SGV

    Discussions here are free wheeling and often off topic so feel free to present whatever evidence you have.

    150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Sources please? Minnesota has same day voter registration so that doesn’t seem possible – if you show up to vote and are qualified you are (more or less) by definition a registered voter.

    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this. I understand that many Trump supporters have a feeling that Trump somehow MUST have been cheated but you can’t just operate off of feelings without real facts and evidence to back them up, the kind of evidence that would persuade a judge to at least give you a hearing.

    My personal feeling is that the election was stolen due to mail in voting, but in a way that was (more or less) legal – this time the Dems were able to harvest actual ballots from actual voters who normally could not be bothered to vote in person. In addition, Trump really alienated himself from many white (esp. female) suburban voters who just could not stand his style.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes. As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote. Although he did improve his percentage totals with them nationwide this time around.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Charon, @JimDandy

    , @Frank McGar
    @Jack D

    I agree with you. Trump affected people on a much deeper level than they'd be willing to admit. I've had numerous discussions with people, going point-by-point down the list and showing how the media has misrepresented him for 4 years: Russiagate, the "fine people" debacle, constant questions about his refusal to denounce white supremacy (he's done it countless times), media blackouts when it comes to Hunter Biden, etc. The response is almost always something along the lines of "yeah, but his his tweets!"

    I think it all started with the Hillary debates. The Clintons have always been the media favorites, political royalty that can do no wrong. Trump treated her like a schoolyard bully and verbally punched her in the nose during the debates. People who are used to a certain level of "decorum" from their leaders just couldn't take it - it triggered a switch in their hindbrain that never went off. Regardless of what Bush, Obama, the Clintons did behind the scenes, they acted the part, put people at ease in some way that they had a "reasonable" person in charge. At the end of the day, a lot of voters just want to be conned into believing everything is fine, even if shit is rotten to the core (see Justin Trudeau).

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    , @Odin
    @Jack D


    So far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid.
     
    Do we know how many courts considered evidence

    VERSUS

    How many dismissed plaintiffs up front for being too early, too late, the wrong people, at the wrong level, in the wrong state or county, etc. etc.?

    VERSUS

    How many rejected presentations because they mentioned Kraken?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this.
     
    You and Steve sound exactly like the NPR statement on why they wouldn't cover the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop -- i.e., you don't “want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions.” Not when there are movie reviews and naming schools and such to complain about.

    I'll try and find the Minnesota cite for you (it was in one of the affidavits which was admittedly a bit sloppy in mixing up Michigan and MN counties.)

    But in the meantime, it seems to me the handwaving is mostly on your side, claiming everything is "debunked" because "officials" have made blanket statements that everything was on the up and up, so there is nothing to see. But you never actually address any of the specifics.

    For example, why do you think that it is not evidence -- evidence, mind you, not conclusive proof -- that Biden won due to four mathematically impossible/implausible vote dumps that only occurred in swing states after polls closed (and therefore after the Dems knew what total they had to beat)? A statistical study concluded that "of the 8,954 vote updates used in the analysis, these four decisive updates were the 1st,2nd, 4th, and 7th most anomalous updates in the entire data set" and included "An update in Michigan listed as of 6:31AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020,which shows 141,258 votes for Joe Biden and 5,968 votes for Donald Trump." https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020

    Why do you think it's not evidence that, among many other witnesses, Dominion contractor, Melissa Carone, gave a sworn affidavit and testified that she watched all day long as poll workers in Detroit ran the same Biden ballots through the machines over and over again? (I can't find a clip of this now that doesn't include a propaganda disclaimer that her own eyewitness testimony is supposedly 'unfounded', but you can look it up on your own).

    Do you think it's evidence that the (just-released) court-ordered forensic examination of Dominion voting machines in Antrim County, MI, revealed that they were deliberately set to have a 60+% error rate, which then allowed a human operator to "adjudicate" the ballots to whichever candidate they wanted without leaving an audit trail? Or that the machine images showed repeated efforts to erase all the 2020 election data prior to inspection. (The security logs for 2020 were erased but are present for prior year elections). https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1b702ece7ucov5/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf?dl=0

    Do you think it's evidence that another statistical regression analysis that purported to hold all other demographic variables constant, found that Dominion voting machines registered 1.55% fewer votes for Trump than other machines. https://fraudspotters.com/statistics-about-dominion-election-fraud/

    Do you think it's evidence that video shows poll workers at 11:00 p.m. stuffing ballots in Atlanta after sending the poll watchers away with a lie about a burst water pipe? (And then having "A vote update in Georgia listed at 1:34AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 136,155 votes for Joe Biden and 29,115 votes for Donald Trump" immediately afterward. ) Do you also think it's circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing that no official was willing to actually investigate or interview these workers or check the counts on the machines they were scanning on? https://youtu.be/6MApQmUpp1c

    You and Steve are a very trusting and incurious bunch. But that's pretty much what they are counting on.

    Replies: @Jack D

  90. @Foseti
    I'm not sure what the cause of Minnesota's very suicidal liberalism is. I think this analysis is part of it, but not all of it. Trump did well in Iowa, the Dakotas and Upper Michigan, which would suggest that this analysis is too simplistic.

    However, if the whole country does eventually repudiate current American leftism at some point, Minnesota and Massachusetts will duke it out to be the last remaining hold out.

    Replies: @Alden

    Minnesota was the empty frontier till the mid late 19th century. The American first settler employers didn’t hire Americans as per usual. For iron mine, lumber, grain mills, railroad building and shipping the products Missouri and Lake Superior port workers they went to a poor economically depressed part of Europe.

    Sweden had years of actual famine. Great source of starving immigrants for low wage labor. What the labor contractors didn’t know or didn’t care was that the Finnish miners and Duluth port workers were militant Marxists. The Swedes and Norwegians were militant socialists. It was real economic socialism, not ethnic sex gay trans warfare socialism as we have today.

    As soon as they could vote they formed the Socialist Farmer Labor party. Dominant political party in the state. At some point the tiny democrat party joined the FLs. Been that way since about 1890. By the 1950s Minnesota joined the civil rights for all but Whites movement.

    The main source of revenue for all Minnesota Christian churches is not donations from the faithful, but grant grubbing to bring in Muslim Somalians.

  91. OT:

    I’m pretty sure I won’t be the first person to come up with this, but will we call the Harris-Biden administration’s policies ‘The New Steal’?

  92. Hey Steve, Honkees are settin’ it off like Niggas in Bodymore.

    Good for you, y’all are finally learning how to have a little fun..

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhXhGH91H1P81FYf40

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshhpCI98NUB5dM5OgzI

  93. @Hypnotoad666
    @Ichabod


    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?
     
    Steve's avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don't think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Replies: @Michael S, @TestAcctforUnz, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Anon, @Mike_from_SGV

    “As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.”

    Bullshit you’ve to be utterly dumb to believe that care to substantiate it? People who fix elections aren’t that Dumb.

  94. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump.”

    Trump is not the least bit Ulster Scotch. The Scotch-Irish originally came from the lowland Scotland border region, and are more of a mishmash of Scottish, Northern English, and Irish. On Trump’s mother’s side, he’s second generation Highland Scot. Incidentally, the Highland Scots have some of the highest percentage of Viking ancestry in the British Isles. So it is likely that Trump is, oddly enough, mostly German/Scandinavian in ancestry. Most of his affectations seemed to have been picked up from his cultural surroundings.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Alden, @Altai, @Art Deco, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Also the larger point: Minnesota and Wisconsin probably don’t have a significant number of Scots-Irish (or even Scots) population. Minnesota, ironically, does have a significant percentage of Scandinavians. As you mentioned, Trump’s Highland Scots has a significant admixture of Vikings (Scandinavians). According to this line of reasoning Trump and Minnesota should’ve been like first cousins. In fact, he lost the state by a greater percentage than he did four years ago.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    In fact, he lost the state by a greater percentage than he did four years ago.
     
    Trump did better among rural Norwegians than he did in 2016, and literally would not have "lost" WI without fraudulent votes, so the only way he lost ground in Minnesota was if ballot harvesting, etc, was totally allowed in Minnesota. Guess what? It was.

    Most of you simply are not sufficiently familiar with the statistical and demographic anomalies in this election, nor with the election "laws" of Democrat states. Plus everyone on Unz keeps citing how Trump lost 3% of the white male vote, without accounting for the fact that he gained many more white males in total while mail-in voting made it easy for low-propensity Democrat voters to vote for a man who was the most unpopular Democrat candidate nationally since the 1970s.

    Sadly, I don't have enough time to lambaste the rest of this comment thread.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  95. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Discussions here are free wheeling and often off topic so feel free to present whatever evidence you have.


    150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.
     
    Sources please? Minnesota has same day voter registration so that doesn't seem possible - if you show up to vote and are qualified you are (more or less) by definition a registered voter.

    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this. I understand that many Trump supporters have a feeling that Trump somehow MUST have been cheated but you can't just operate off of feelings without real facts and evidence to back them up, the kind of evidence that would persuade a judge to at least give you a hearing.

    My personal feeling is that the election was stolen due to mail in voting, but in a way that was (more or less) legal - this time the Dems were able to harvest actual ballots from actual voters who normally could not be bothered to vote in person. In addition, Trump really alienated himself from many white (esp. female) suburban voters who just could not stand his style.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frank McGar, @Odin, @Hypnotoad666

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes. As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote. Although he did improve his percentage totals with them nationwide this time around.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes.

    It isn't that simple. What has happened is that White men have been told by both liberals and Christians to kneel to women when excess attention and submission can turn them off. The a-hole just ends up looking more confident by comparison.

    As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote.

    Women are not balls of hormones that only pick men based on who they want to sleep with.

    Trump would have gotten far more women if he moved to the center on health care. Following DC Republicans in their desire to kill the ACA was a huge mistake. Trump was polling weak on health care early on and for good reason. He didn't have a replacement plan and the ACA has wide support. DC Republicans are lousy strategists and Trump followed them off a cliff.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @Charon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Trump may have had some of that appeal, but it was completely overshadowed by his complete stupidity, his tin ear for political considerations, and his depiction in the mass media (which women worship and consume disproportionately) as Literally Hitler.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    , @JimDandy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The group that was dramatically against him was single women. The are a profoundly unhappy lot. Riding the bad boy cock carousel embitters women, and Trump became a symbol for them to hate on.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  96. @Altai
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Ulster Scots didn't have much if any Irish ancestry, that was the point, they were planted to be a self-sustaining colony that strove to have as little interaction with the indigenous population as possible. This would have been even more true at the time they left for the New World. You also have to consider what type of person would have gone on the plantings and what effect that would have on the temperament of the population.

    Trump is an outlier in his family and seems to have adopted a persona in line with New York Asheknazi real estate developers who were prominent by the time he entered the business, one which is not terribly agreeable and which is very vexing to have to deal with in aggregate or personally in a dispute.

    Replies: @Frank McGar

    Very true, they were basically colonizers after the 9 years war. I wonder how much that tension still exists – Ulster rebellion was almost 400 years ago, and a lot of the Irish landowners left, if they weren’t killed. In the US we mostly get along with our British and Canadian counterparts, but there’s still an underlying tension when it comes to how we go about our politics. But most of the tension in jovial in nature: “Hey, remember when we kicked your asses?” etc. Wonder how it is in Ulster between the Gaelic Irish and the Ulster Scots now.

    • Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Frank McGar

    I imagine there is still plenty of disagreeableness between the Ulsters and the Gaelics, even though the Troubles may be long over. It was always an ethnic conflict rather than the religious one the Western media made it out to be (ha, ha those dumb-ass Christians can even get along with each other let alone other religions). If the differences were only religious, then Ulster would have no problem rejoining Ireland over Brexit, since Wokeness is now the religion of choice for both of them.

    Replies: @Frank McGar, @Seamusmocnahoople

    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Frank McGar


    Wonder how it is in Ulster between the Gaelic Irish and the Ulster Scots now.
     
    Are you kidding? It's a freakin' love-fest out there! I strongly encourage you to fly out to Belfast at your earliest convenience, and attempt to engage the locals in a no-holds-barred discussion of these matters. I'm sure it will go swimmingly for you.
    , @Seamusmocnahoople
    @Frank McGar

    Irish are winning , Brits are going back home soon , plus with brexit the Irish are really going to stick the knife in . Bet the Brits wish they never partioned Ireland now😂😂

  97. @Ichabod
    Or perhaps he won the state. For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud? It seems like it is getting close to time for us to stand and be counted.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad, @Tex, @TWS, @Ryan Andrews

    I think he’s said there wasn’t enough fraud to matter.

    Unless your fighter is throwing the match, when do you ever not cheat enough to win? Why even do it if you’re not willing to go far enough to win?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @TWS

    How would he possibly know that when they will not audit the fake ballots?!

    And only a complete idiot would claim there isn't enough evidence of fraud to justify a full audit..

  98. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Discussions here are free wheeling and often off topic so feel free to present whatever evidence you have.


    150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.
     
    Sources please? Minnesota has same day voter registration so that doesn't seem possible - if you show up to vote and are qualified you are (more or less) by definition a registered voter.

    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this. I understand that many Trump supporters have a feeling that Trump somehow MUST have been cheated but you can't just operate off of feelings without real facts and evidence to back them up, the kind of evidence that would persuade a judge to at least give you a hearing.

    My personal feeling is that the election was stolen due to mail in voting, but in a way that was (more or less) legal - this time the Dems were able to harvest actual ballots from actual voters who normally could not be bothered to vote in person. In addition, Trump really alienated himself from many white (esp. female) suburban voters who just could not stand his style.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frank McGar, @Odin, @Hypnotoad666

    I agree with you. Trump affected people on a much deeper level than they’d be willing to admit. I’ve had numerous discussions with people, going point-by-point down the list and showing how the media has misrepresented him for 4 years: Russiagate, the “fine people” debacle, constant questions about his refusal to denounce white supremacy (he’s done it countless times), media blackouts when it comes to Hunter Biden, etc. The response is almost always something along the lines of “yeah, but his his tweets!”

    I think it all started with the Hillary debates. The Clintons have always been the media favorites, political royalty that can do no wrong. Trump treated her like a schoolyard bully and verbally punched her in the nose during the debates. People who are used to a certain level of “decorum” from their leaders just couldn’t take it – it triggered a switch in their hindbrain that never went off. Regardless of what Bush, Obama, the Clintons did behind the scenes, they acted the part, put people at ease in some way that they had a “reasonable” person in charge. At the end of the day, a lot of voters just want to be conned into believing everything is fine, even if shit is rotten to the core (see Justin Trudeau).

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Frank McGar

    Good comment. Before the 2016 election, Limbaugh said it was a disagreement between people who feel like the country is more-or-less headed in the right direction with Obama at the helm, and those who feel it is heading for disaster, due to debt, immigration, identity politics, and corruption of every institution from government, to the MSM, to social media, to academia, etc. To deal with that, we were willing to elect as unconventional a candidate as Trump. To those comfortable with the status quo, this was an outrage, the proverbial turd in the punchbowl.

    When it was announced that Biden had won, my progressive sister-in-law crowed, "Back to normal!" Yes, of course, back to normal, with a new leader who is a lifelong political hack, physically and mentally feeble, brazenly corrupt, and without a fixed principle or identifiable accomplishment to his name. That's what passes for normal these days.

  99. @Jake
    @Redneck farmer

    Exceptions prove rules.

    What the above exchange marks is the divide among whites of Western European origins between Germanic and Celto-Italic.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Exceptions prove rules.

    If you say so.

    What the above exchange marks is the divide among whites of Western European origins between Germanic and Celto-Italic.

    This whole exercise is picking nits. British descended types are 70% suicidal and German /Scandinavian types are 80% suicidal.

    • Replies: @Jake
    @HammerJack

    "British types" live according to according to WASP cultural norms. Angles and Saxons are Germanic. WASP is Germanic, like Scandinavian and Dutch and Continental Saxon.

    If you see things the way most Germanics do, i.e. that genes are almost everything, you will miss most of the meaning. What matters is what basic culture you accept, have been forced to accept, and live under.

    One way to frame that is to realize how quickly the Irish started hating themselves. It happened almost instantaneously as the they stopped being ardent Irish nationalists resisting everything WASP - and not just direct London rule/ When the Irish capitulated and, however reluctantly, just decided to live as nice WASPed Irish, they began hating themselves.

  100. @Jack D
    @Altai


    would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome?
     
    Yes, Helsinki is famous all over the world for La Dolce Vita, the amazing Finnish cuisine, the sunny Baltic weather and so on.

    Replies: @Altai, @Dumbo

    You really haven’t been to Rome in the last 15 years have you?

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Altai

    What I noticed about Rome is the lack of Arabs and Pakis. Huge contrast with London and Paris and Amsterdam.

    It was a 97% white major Western capital city, with small numbers of NE Asians aside from tourist groups, and visible but few black Africans and gypsies begging everywhere and selling stolen garbage on blankets laid on sidewalks.

    This was around 2011, so perhaps out of date.

    , @Charon
    @Altai

    Much of Italy has been swamped with Africans these past several years. It ain't your father's Italy any more, that's for sure.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @Jack D
    @Altai

    Rome, indeed all of Italy, especially from Rome on south, has always been a bit of a disorganized mess and the African hordes coming across the Mediterranean certainly haven't helped. But it is still a sort of crazy magical place that somehow always muddles through and if you have your wits about you and avoid the gypsies and the pickpockets and the guys who grab your bag while zooming by on motor scooters and so on, there's really nothing else like it - the wondrous ruins of the Coliseum and the Forum, the amazingly nonruined Pantheon, the splendors of the Vatican, the colorful stalls of the Campo di Fiori, the Trevi Fountain, the Piazza Navona, the food, the coffee, the wine, the people, even the feral cats in the ruins. I'd go there tomorrow if I could. It's a mess but it's a glorious mess.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  101. Trump won both states. Dems just manufactured votes. However blm and defund the police are hits with White women. Who never met a black thug they didn’t get tingles for.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @Alden
    @Whiskey

    You live in Orange county Ca. About 2 percent black. There’s no way you have any personal knowledge or observations about White women and black men. Your endless posts about White women and black men come from the endless hours you spend watching White women black man porn.
    Please confide your sexual problems to your psychiatrist.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Anonymous
    @Whiskey

    What I don’t understand is that with all these confident pronouncements of fraud, why not a single one has had any success in court? Trump appointed judges, a SCOTUS that he appointed 1/3 of...none of them have seen an argument that piqued their interest? Lawyers who talk big in press conferences, but don’t put these arguments before the court, out of fear that they’ll be sanctioned given the scant evidence?

    The most logical answer is that Trump really lost the election (by a small EC margin). These things happen. If corona hadn’t hit, he would have romped home on his economic record alone. Bad luck, on to 2024.

  102. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.
     
    You are correct. But who has the guts to do this? And how could their message - no matter how compelling - break through in the current environment of media collusion and censorship?

    Republicans just wilt as soon as they are called "racist" by the media. So they are useless.

    Politics is downstream from culture as they say. And I suppose the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.

    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.

    Replies: @Prester John, @HammerJack, @Paul Mendez, @Desiderius

    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.

    A well-nigh impossible task. And yes, we are doomed. The forces destroying us have been working for many decades. They control every institution. They are the Establishment.

    What would have to change in order to turn it around at this late date? The masses have been totally brainwashed by now, and it’s even worse among the young.

    We’re now at the point where lies against us are openly propagated by the mass media, and violence is countenanced (promoted!) against anyone who dares to expose any of it.

  103. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Discussions here are free wheeling and often off topic so feel free to present whatever evidence you have.


    150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.
     
    Sources please? Minnesota has same day voter registration so that doesn't seem possible - if you show up to vote and are qualified you are (more or less) by definition a registered voter.

    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this. I understand that many Trump supporters have a feeling that Trump somehow MUST have been cheated but you can't just operate off of feelings without real facts and evidence to back them up, the kind of evidence that would persuade a judge to at least give you a hearing.

    My personal feeling is that the election was stolen due to mail in voting, but in a way that was (more or less) legal - this time the Dems were able to harvest actual ballots from actual voters who normally could not be bothered to vote in person. In addition, Trump really alienated himself from many white (esp. female) suburban voters who just could not stand his style.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frank McGar, @Odin, @Hypnotoad666

    So far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid.

    Do we know how many courts considered evidence

    VERSUS

    How many dismissed plaintiffs up front for being too early, too late, the wrong people, at the wrong level, in the wrong state or county, etc. etc.?

    VERSUS

    How many rejected presentations because they mentioned Kraken?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Odin

    At least in the two most recent court cases in Wisconsin (one federal and one state supreme court), the Trump campaign's lawyers had the chance to present evidence for fraud. They didn't.

    In the federal case: no allegations of fraud.

    "With the Electoral College meeting just days away, the Court declined to address the issues in piecemeal fashion and instead provided plaintiff with an expedited hearing on the merits of his claims. On the morning of the hearing, the parties reached agreement on a stipulated set of facts and then presented arguments to the Court."

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/a-stunning-passage-from-the-latest-court-rejection-of-team-trump/

    In the state supreme court case, the Trump campaign tried to get the absentee ballots thrown out due to procedural violations, not fraud.

    "The claims made by the Campaign in this case are not of widespread fraud or serious election improprieties. These are ordinary sorts of election administration issues——for example, challenging whether an "application" form in use statewide for a decade constitutes a sufficient application (it does). While this does not diminish the importance of the election procedures the legislature has chosen, Wisconsin's electorate should be encouraged that the issues raised in this case are focused on rather technical issues such as whether a witness must include their zip code as part of their address."

    https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=315395

    Replies: @Polynikes

  104. Voters always take out their own hardships on incumbents whether logically they have anything to do with them or not.

    I think that explains 2020 as much as anything does.

    Also, the impact of riots on future voting patterns appeared to show up in subsequent elections.

    It is too much to ask most Democrats to admit that BLM has made their lives less livable and impacted these communities.

    But it will show up in 2022 and 2024 in those elections.

  105. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    I wonder if in our lifetime we will see a politician who gets in front of the American people and tells the truth about race.

  106. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don’t target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more.

    A very useful open fraud, or it wouldn’t even be promoted. When and if blacks stop doing the dirty work for the (Ruling Class) maybe their propensity for violence will be addressed.

    That is to say, not any time soon.

  107. @Jack D
    @Altai


    would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome?
     
    Yes, Helsinki is famous all over the world for La Dolce Vita, the amazing Finnish cuisine, the sunny Baltic weather and so on.

    Replies: @Altai, @Dumbo

    Personally I would prefer Rome, even if just for the weather, the sights and the food. Traffic and daily life stuff are probably better in Helsinki…

    (I’ve never been to Helsinki, but I was not impressed with Rejkjavik – is it similar? I hope not.)

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Dumbo

    Nobody carries on about the architecture of Helsinki, the wonderful cuisine (the food there is boring and expensive), the rich cultural history, or the amusing street witticisms of the natives.

    However, it is clean, orderly, safe, and filled with competent people. In other words, it's a good place for raising kids and establishing a comfortable if unexceptional life. Unfortunately, the women there only have 1.5 kids on average, so I guess this can't last a whole lot longer.

  108. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes. As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote. Although he did improve his percentage totals with them nationwide this time around.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Charon, @JimDandy

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes.

    It isn’t that simple. What has happened is that White men have been told by both liberals and Christians to kneel to women when excess attention and submission can turn them off. The a-hole just ends up looking more confident by comparison.

    As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote.

    Women are not balls of hormones that only pick men based on who they want to sleep with.

    Trump would have gotten far more women if he moved to the center on health care. Following DC Republicans in their desire to kill the ACA was a huge mistake. Trump was polling weak on health care early on and for good reason. He didn’t have a replacement plan and the ACA has wide support. DC Republicans are lousy strategists and Trump followed them off a cliff.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @John Johnson

    "It isn’t that simple. "

    Yeah, it pretty much is the world over. And for thousands of yrs too at that.

    "The a-hole just ends up looking more confident by comparison."

    Hence the reason they want to date the rebel, the asshole. Confidence is perceived to be found in the one who gives them the least amount of attention. Which is why its pretty simple. Give them less attention, try not to simp, and perhaps a higher quality woman will come the man's way in the dating market.

    "Trump would have gotten far more women if he moved to the center on health care. Following DC Republicans in their desire to kill the ACA was a huge mistake. Trump was polling weak on health care early on and for good reason. He didn’t have a replacement plan and the ACA has wide support. DC Republicans are lousy strategists and Trump followed them off a cliff."


    Translation: Trump should've run on what got him elected in the first place in '16: Nationalism, or America First, Populism, Immigration, bringing industrial jobs back, those sorts of policies that the Rust Belt states widely support. The GOP has been fairly consistent for over half a century regarding the policies that they support. Thing is that most of those policies, most of the US voters are against (in varying degrees). It also didn't help him that COVID happened during 2020 and he decided to play off like it was no big deal.

    In short, if Trump had behaved more like the a'hole he was perceived to be in 2016, he'd be preparing now for his inauguration speech to start his 2nd term.

    Perhaps men who are assholes, rebels, bad boys really do get more than just women; they get support from men as well as their respect.

  109. @Altai
    @Jack D

    You really haven't been to Rome in the last 15 years have you?

    Replies: @Lot, @Charon, @Jack D

    What I noticed about Rome is the lack of Arabs and Pakis. Huge contrast with London and Paris and Amsterdam.

    It was a 97% white major Western capital city, with small numbers of NE Asians aside from tourist groups, and visible but few black Africans and gypsies begging everywhere and selling stolen garbage on blankets laid on sidewalks.

    This was around 2011, so perhaps out of date.

  110. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes. As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote. Although he did improve his percentage totals with them nationwide this time around.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Charon, @JimDandy

    Trump may have had some of that appeal, but it was completely overshadowed by his complete stupidity, his tin ear for political considerations, and his depiction in the mass media (which women worship and consume disproportionately) as Literally Hitler.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Charon

    If Trump had delivered on most of what he campaigned on in '16, the MSM wouldn't have gained much traction. Results count with the voters, not lame excuses. Since he didn't deliver on what he promised, it was easier to portray him as an imbecilic, incompetent moron. And when COVID struck this yr it was even easier to portray him in that light.

  111. @Altai
    @Jack D

    You really haven't been to Rome in the last 15 years have you?

    Replies: @Lot, @Charon, @Jack D

    Much of Italy has been swamped with Africans these past several years. It ain’t your father’s Italy any more, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Charon

    As if "your father's" Rome was so delightful. Absurd. When were you there?

  112. @Frank McGar
    @Altai

    Very true, they were basically colonizers after the 9 years war. I wonder how much that tension still exists - Ulster rebellion was almost 400 years ago, and a lot of the Irish landowners left, if they weren't killed. In the US we mostly get along with our British and Canadian counterparts, but there's still an underlying tension when it comes to how we go about our politics. But most of the tension in jovial in nature: "Hey, remember when we kicked your asses?" etc. Wonder how it is in Ulster between the Gaelic Irish and the Ulster Scots now.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Seamusmocnahoople

    I imagine there is still plenty of disagreeableness between the Ulsters and the Gaelics, even though the Troubles may be long over. It was always an ethnic conflict rather than the religious one the Western media made it out to be (ha, ha those dumb-ass Christians can even get along with each other let alone other religions). If the differences were only religious, then Ulster would have no problem rejoining Ireland over Brexit, since Wokeness is now the religion of choice for both of them.

    • Replies: @Frank McGar
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Yep. A lot of people don't get that it's the occupation, rather than the religion, that's at the heart of it. The colonists happened to be Protestant, but that's just a signifier.

    , @Seamusmocnahoople
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    The people you call Ulsters are 1/ not native to Ulster and 2/ a minority in Ulster. When the British partitioned Ireland they also partitioned Ulster. The native Irish Ulster population will soon dominate the British Six county enclave although the Brits are looking for a way out now with brexit coming. With German and French support Ireland can now make the Brits regret partition . Payback will be a bitch .

  113. @Art Deco
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    If my own relatives are any guide, Trump bears not a trace of a Scotch-Irish sensibility.

    Replies: @Charon, @SunBakedSuburb

    Your own relatives are Jews on one side and blacks on the other. Despite your ‘internet claims’. Why didn’t you run for president?

  114. @Altai
    @Jack D

    You really haven't been to Rome in the last 15 years have you?

    Replies: @Lot, @Charon, @Jack D

    Rome, indeed all of Italy, especially from Rome on south, has always been a bit of a disorganized mess and the African hordes coming across the Mediterranean certainly haven’t helped. But it is still a sort of crazy magical place that somehow always muddles through and if you have your wits about you and avoid the gypsies and the pickpockets and the guys who grab your bag while zooming by on motor scooters and so on, there’s really nothing else like it – the wondrous ruins of the Coliseum and the Forum, the amazingly nonruined Pantheon, the splendors of the Vatican, the colorful stalls of the Campo di Fiori, the Trevi Fountain, the Piazza Navona, the food, the coffee, the wine, the people, even the feral cats in the ruins. I’d go there tomorrow if I could. It’s a mess but it’s a glorious mess.

    • Agree: Dumbo
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jack D

    The people leave a lot to be desired.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  115. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666

    Discussions here are free wheeling and often off topic so feel free to present whatever evidence you have.


    150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.
     
    Sources please? Minnesota has same day voter registration so that doesn't seem possible - if you show up to vote and are qualified you are (more or less) by definition a registered voter.

    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this. I understand that many Trump supporters have a feeling that Trump somehow MUST have been cheated but you can't just operate off of feelings without real facts and evidence to back them up, the kind of evidence that would persuade a judge to at least give you a hearing.

    My personal feeling is that the election was stolen due to mail in voting, but in a way that was (more or less) legal - this time the Dems were able to harvest actual ballots from actual voters who normally could not be bothered to vote in person. In addition, Trump really alienated himself from many white (esp. female) suburban voters who just could not stand his style.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Frank McGar, @Odin, @Hypnotoad666

    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this.

    You and Steve sound exactly like the NPR statement on why they wouldn’t cover the contents of Hunter Biden’s laptop — i.e., you don’t “want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions.” Not when there are movie reviews and naming schools and such to complain about.

    I’ll try and find the Minnesota cite for you (it was in one of the affidavits which was admittedly a bit sloppy in mixing up Michigan and MN counties.)

    But in the meantime, it seems to me the handwaving is mostly on your side, claiming everything is “debunked” because “officials” have made blanket statements that everything was on the up and up, so there is nothing to see. But you never actually address any of the specifics.

    For example, why do you think that it is not evidence — evidence, mind you, not conclusive proof — that Biden won due to four mathematically impossible/implausible vote dumps that only occurred in swing states after polls closed (and therefore after the Dems knew what total they had to beat)? A statistical study concluded that “of the 8,954 vote updates used in the analysis, these four decisive updates were the 1st,2nd, 4th, and 7th most anomalous updates in the entire data set” and included “An update in Michigan listed as of 6:31AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020,which shows 141,258 votes for Joe Biden and 5,968 votes for Donald Trump.” https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020

    Why do you think it’s not evidence that, among many other witnesses, Dominion contractor, Melissa Carone, gave a sworn affidavit and testified that she watched all day long as poll workers in Detroit ran the same Biden ballots through the machines over and over again? (I can’t find a clip of this now that doesn’t include a propaganda disclaimer that her own eyewitness testimony is supposedly ‘unfounded’, but you can look it up on your own).

    Do you think it’s evidence that the (just-released) court-ordered forensic examination of Dominion voting machines in Antrim County, MI, revealed that they were deliberately set to have a 60+% error rate, which then allowed a human operator to “adjudicate” the ballots to whichever candidate they wanted without leaving an audit trail? Or that the machine images showed repeated efforts to erase all the 2020 election data prior to inspection. (The security logs for 2020 were erased but are present for prior year elections). https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1b702ece7ucov5/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf?dl=0

    Do you think it’s evidence that another statistical regression analysis that purported to hold all other demographic variables constant, found that Dominion voting machines registered 1.55% fewer votes for Trump than other machines. https://fraudspotters.com/statistics-about-dominion-election-fraud/

    Do you think it’s evidence that video shows poll workers at 11:00 p.m. stuffing ballots in Atlanta after sending the poll watchers away with a lie about a burst water pipe? (And then having “A vote update in Georgia listed at 1:34AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 136,155 votes for Joe Biden and 29,115 votes for Donald Trump” immediately afterward. ) Do you also think it’s circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing that no official was willing to actually investigate or interview these workers or check the counts on the machines they were scanning on?

    You and Steve are a very trusting and incurious bunch. But that’s pretty much what they are counting on.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    Dominion contractor, Melissa Carone
     
    Did you see Carone's testimony? It was literally a joke. The SNL parody of Carone was less funny than Carone's actual testimony (not a high bar given that SNL is rarely funny nowadays, but nevermind). If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.

    I haven't investigated all of the things that you mention but the courts (many of them with Republican judges) have considered all of the evidence and have not accepted any of it as probative.

    It looks to me as if Dominion does most of its business in NON swing states. If a state is not a swing state, then even if the Dominion machines were changing EVERY vote to Biden, it still wouldn't make a bit of difference. If Biden wins NY by 3 million votes instead of 2 million, what difference does it make?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Johann Ricke

  116. It’s full of Minnesotans?

  117. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    1. Re: "Garrison Keiller": stand-up comedians who've toured Northern Europe have stories about how strangely restrained the audiences are. Perhaps someone has a clip.
    2. Granting Uriah's thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else. But...
    3. ...we really can't grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    Replies: @Kronos, @G. Poulin, @Mark G., @Dube, @Dutch Boy, @Anon

    …we really can’t grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    You’re taking the fun out of it for the sophisticates. What’s needed are studies of traffic patterns at malls where ballots were piled for pickup on the honor system.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @Dube

    More Science is always a good thing


    You’re taking the fun out of it for the sophisticates.
     
    I think this is hitting a rather disturbing nail directly on the head
  118. Ethnic Germans, as we all know, are much more civilized and subdued than those rabble-rousing British types. They would never elect literal Hitler, or actual literal Hitler.

    Maybe the real question is which population is better at behaving like sheep.

    If you can get the elites to embrace some batshit ideology – whether Cimmunism, Nazism, or the Suicidal Multicult – it’s simply a bit easier to get some people to follow along. This trait can be used for good or for ill. The British, I suspect, are just a bit more willing to kick against the pricks. In short, we’re a more stubborn lot. That’s bad at times, and good at other times.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Wilkey

    A possible explanation is that Hitler won because of his focus on vegetarianism and animal rights. ;)

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

  119. @Wilkey
    Ethnic Germans, as we all know, are much more civilized and subdued than those rabble-rousing British types. They would never elect literal Hitler, or actual literal Hitler.

    Maybe the real question is which population is better at behaving like sheep.

    If you can get the elites to embrace some batshit ideology - whether Cimmunism, Nazism, or the Suicidal Multicult - it’s simply a bit easier to get some people to follow along. This trait can be used for good or for ill. The British, I suspect, are just a bit more willing to kick against the pricks. In short, we’re a more stubborn lot. That’s bad at times, and good at other times.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    A possible explanation is that Hitler won because of his focus on vegetarianism and animal rights. 😉

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    @Dumbo

    ... And a non-smoker!

  120. His sister Maryanne’s resentment of him extends as far back as 1958 if not earlier.

    Who ever heard of sibling rivalry? Such a thing is unknown. There’s not even a word for it. Why would an older sister have any reason to be jealous of her baby brother who was more favored by their father, perhaps because of his gender?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Jack D

    Sibling rivalry when you're 81 years old and your parents are nearly 20 years dead is not a good look.

    Trump knew who to call to get his sister's name in the hopper for a federal judgeship. Maryanne Trump may have been a capable judge and it may have been a passable wager that she'd make a capable judge. However, the number of lawyers in the 19 counties around New York with her credentials in 1984 must have been numbered in five digits. A local pol in Rochester used to say, "For every patronage job you give away, you create nine enemies and one ingrate". Too true.

    I'm out on a limb here, but my gut tells me she believed everything she told her niece, by which I mean she's a common feminine type: she remembers moods much better than she remembers events. She was angry at her brother at the time and the rest is derivative. (1) "He was a brat, I did his homework" is not very credible. From 1954 to 1958, she was enrolled at Mount Holyoke, which is in western Massachusetts. From 1959 to 1964, he was a boarding student at the New York Military Academy up in Orange County, NY; she was recently married and had a child (and living in Manhattan, I believe). In the interval in between, it's easy to imagine her mother expected her help in handling her problem child, help she wasn't giving freely. (2) I have heard of people going on campus tours and having interviews with admissions officials before or after filling out a posted application; I have never heard of someone driving around a city looking for a college that might accept a problem family member; she insists that's what she did. (3) The 1940 Census returns have been digitized; you can run searches yourself to see how many people in New York and New Jersey at that time were named some variant of 'Joe Shapiro' and were 15 to 21 years of age. There weren't many. Somehow, I doubt the given name 'Joseph' got a great deal more popular between the early 1920s and the mid 1940s. There wasn't some other Joe Shapiro taking his boards for him. You don't have to be brilliant to figure this out; Mary L Trump is just too vicious and too addled by confirmation bias to do that.

  121. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    There has been many vague handwaving allegations of the sort that you make but so far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid so I can understand why Steve chooses not to waste his time on this.
     
    You and Steve sound exactly like the NPR statement on why they wouldn't cover the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop -- i.e., you don't “want to waste the listeners’ and readers’ time on stories that are just pure distractions.” Not when there are movie reviews and naming schools and such to complain about.

    I'll try and find the Minnesota cite for you (it was in one of the affidavits which was admittedly a bit sloppy in mixing up Michigan and MN counties.)

    But in the meantime, it seems to me the handwaving is mostly on your side, claiming everything is "debunked" because "officials" have made blanket statements that everything was on the up and up, so there is nothing to see. But you never actually address any of the specifics.

    For example, why do you think that it is not evidence -- evidence, mind you, not conclusive proof -- that Biden won due to four mathematically impossible/implausible vote dumps that only occurred in swing states after polls closed (and therefore after the Dems knew what total they had to beat)? A statistical study concluded that "of the 8,954 vote updates used in the analysis, these four decisive updates were the 1st,2nd, 4th, and 7th most anomalous updates in the entire data set" and included "An update in Michigan listed as of 6:31AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020,which shows 141,258 votes for Joe Biden and 5,968 votes for Donald Trump." https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020

    Why do you think it's not evidence that, among many other witnesses, Dominion contractor, Melissa Carone, gave a sworn affidavit and testified that she watched all day long as poll workers in Detroit ran the same Biden ballots through the machines over and over again? (I can't find a clip of this now that doesn't include a propaganda disclaimer that her own eyewitness testimony is supposedly 'unfounded', but you can look it up on your own).

    Do you think it's evidence that the (just-released) court-ordered forensic examination of Dominion voting machines in Antrim County, MI, revealed that they were deliberately set to have a 60+% error rate, which then allowed a human operator to "adjudicate" the ballots to whichever candidate they wanted without leaving an audit trail? Or that the machine images showed repeated efforts to erase all the 2020 election data prior to inspection. (The security logs for 2020 were erased but are present for prior year elections). https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1b702ece7ucov5/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf?dl=0

    Do you think it's evidence that another statistical regression analysis that purported to hold all other demographic variables constant, found that Dominion voting machines registered 1.55% fewer votes for Trump than other machines. https://fraudspotters.com/statistics-about-dominion-election-fraud/

    Do you think it's evidence that video shows poll workers at 11:00 p.m. stuffing ballots in Atlanta after sending the poll watchers away with a lie about a burst water pipe? (And then having "A vote update in Georgia listed at 1:34AM Eastern Time on November 4th, 2020, which shows 136,155 votes for Joe Biden and 29,115 votes for Donald Trump" immediately afterward. ) Do you also think it's circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing that no official was willing to actually investigate or interview these workers or check the counts on the machines they were scanning on? https://youtu.be/6MApQmUpp1c

    You and Steve are a very trusting and incurious bunch. But that's pretty much what they are counting on.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Dominion contractor, Melissa Carone

    Did you see Carone’s testimony? It was literally a joke. The SNL parody of Carone was less funny than Carone’s actual testimony (not a high bar given that SNL is rarely funny nowadays, but nevermind). If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.

    I haven’t investigated all of the things that you mention but the courts (many of them with Republican judges) have considered all of the evidence and have not accepted any of it as probative.

    It looks to me as if Dominion does most of its business in NON swing states. If a state is not a swing state, then even if the Dominion machines were changing EVERY vote to Biden, it still wouldn’t make a bit of difference. If Biden wins NY by 3 million votes instead of 2 million, what difference does it make?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.
     
    Saturday Night Live is the source for your "no fraud" case. That's what would get you laughed out of court. How about Rudy's hair dye? You forgot to mention how that proves no fraud occurred.

    Please explain why you think Carone was committing perjury? Why didn't your side just produce the workers she witnessed or the audit trail of their machines (which could be easily done). Wouldn't that be a tad more persuasive than criticizing her hair or her accent, or claiming she was drunk?

    I haven’t investigated all of the things that you mention but the courts (many of them with Republican judges) have considered all of the evidence and have not accepted any of it as probative.
     
    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. This is the MSM talking point for people who know nothing about the legal system or election law. The lawsuits did not "consider all of the evidence" nor did they rule it was not "probative" of fraud. They were basically all state law emergency injunction applications to try to slow down the administrative vote certification process and get time to present evidence which was in the hands of the states. The courts basically all (predictably) dodged the issue by saying they were going to defer to the (usually biased and partisan) county vote boards and political Secretaries of State to certify their vote counts. Or on other procedural grounds like latches and standing.

    No court has ever ruled on the overall question of whether fraud occurred or altered the election. And frankly there is no way all the evidence could have been discovered and presented in the incredibly short time frame, anyway. The fraudsters have quite logically obstructed and distracted in order to play out this very short clock. Having done so, they will now say "What difference at this point does it make?" and that the whole affair must never be spoken of for the "good of democracy."

    I have no illusion Trump will be out of office. But I'd still like to find out exactly what happened in this election rather than have the MSM sweep it under the rug and spend the next four years calling people "conspiracy theorists" for wanting the get the facts.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Did you see Carone’s testimony? It was literally a joke. The SNL parody of Carone was less funny than Carone’s actual testimony (not a high bar given that SNL is rarely funny nowadays, but nevermind). If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.
     
    In 2000, Katherine Harris got the same treatment. Her tacky makeup and poor delivery (by scripted, multi-retake Hollywood standards) were proof that the entire Bush effort to stop the endless recounts was illegitimate.
  122. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    1. Re: "Garrison Keiller": stand-up comedians who've toured Northern Europe have stories about how strangely restrained the audiences are. Perhaps someone has a clip.
    2. Granting Uriah's thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else. But...
    3. ...we really can't grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    Replies: @Kronos, @G. Poulin, @Mark G., @Dube, @Dutch Boy, @Anon

    Norwegians are indeed restrained and relatively unemotional. As a part Norwegian, I found Trump’s bombast off putting but insufficiently so for me to support his opponents. I described Trump in 2016 as the best of a very bad lot of candidates and I have not changed my mind.

  123. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Jack D

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes. As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote. Although he did improve his percentage totals with them nationwide this time around.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Charon, @JimDandy

    The group that was dramatically against him was single women. The are a profoundly unhappy lot. Riding the bad boy cock carousel embitters women, and Trump became a symbol for them to hate on.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @JimDandy

    Single women vote Democratic no matter who the candidates are.

    Two hypotheses: past a certain age, the pool of unmarried women is increasingly composed of creatures with an attitude problem. That aside, married women who manage to stay married typically have a different conception of where there interests lie.

    The Democratic Party is a great collecting pool of people who process the vicissitudes of life a particular way: someone screwed me over or someone screwed over my pets. Those aren't the only people there, but people who think this way tend to be there.

  124. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    Trump was fun … but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    I agree, and it would certainly be better if Trump would just step aside for 2024, and enthusiastically get behind Tucker Carslon/Ted Cruz/Josh Hawley/whomever, for that year’s election.

    But if he wants to run again (and he probably does), we may have to just let him have the nomination. No GOP nominee who somehow managed to barely defeat Trump in the 2024 primaries, would ever be able to win the general election. That’d be handing Biden a 2nd term.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Servant of Gla'aki


    ...it would certainly be better if Trump would just step aside for 2024, and enthusiastically get behind Tucker Carslon/Ted Cruz/Josh Hawley/whomever, for that year’s election
     
    .

    Don’t be naive. 2016 was the last ever presidential election. There will never be another one.

    (As a history buff, I take solice in that while I may have missed witnessing the birth of the USA, at least I was around to see its death.)
  125. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Hold it, hold it.

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don't loudly support such ilk. If anything, BLM and others of this type have more in common with Donald Trump, and consistency would state that MI and WI would despise BLM and Antifa if they can't stand the personality of Donald Trump.

    Andrew Jackson was Scotch-Irish, or Ulster Scotch, much as Trump. Of his generation, there was hardly any public figure that Old Hickory couldn't compete with when it came to boastfulness, loud, etc. Trump = Jackson comparison is quite apt.

    Jackson's pronouncements on the First National Bank of the US and what he planned to do with it, as well as what he planned to do with Henry Clay demonstrate that he and Trump are kindred souls.

    As Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ron Mexico, @Alden, @anon, @Crawfurdmuir

    …Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.

    This seems incorrect to me. One of Jackson’s strongest supporters was the Virginia aristocrat John Randolph of Roanoke. He denounced the “corrupt bargain” that cheated Jackson out of the presidency in 1824 as an alliance of Blifil and Black George, two characters from Fielding’s novel Tom Jones – Blifil, the pious hypocrite, personifying the canting John Quincy Adams, and Black George, the reprobate servant of Squire Allworthy, representing Henry Clay. This so enraged Clay that he challenged Randolph to a duel, which ended bloodlessly. It is possibly the only duel in history fought over a literary allusion.

    John Taylor of Caroline, also a Virginian, died before the 1824 election, but his book Arator, nominally a book on the management of plantations, argues the case against a national bank and the money power in terms almost identical to Jackson’s.

    There seems to me to be little in common between the residents of Minnesota or Wisconsin and the gentry of the Tidewater. Were Minnesota not the unwilling host of 100,000+ Somalis, and a welfare haven for “tourists from Chicago,” the state would probably have been carried easily by Trump.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Crawfurdmuir


    Were Minnesota not the unwilling host of 100,000+ Somalis, and a welfare haven for “tourists from Chicago,” the state would probably have been carried easily by Trump.
     
    We’re Minnesota not a haven for 100k Somalis plus this a hundred times over across the country, a guy like Trump would’ve never rose to power.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

  126. @Jack D
    @Altai

    Rome, indeed all of Italy, especially from Rome on south, has always been a bit of a disorganized mess and the African hordes coming across the Mediterranean certainly haven't helped. But it is still a sort of crazy magical place that somehow always muddles through and if you have your wits about you and avoid the gypsies and the pickpockets and the guys who grab your bag while zooming by on motor scooters and so on, there's really nothing else like it - the wondrous ruins of the Coliseum and the Forum, the amazingly nonruined Pantheon, the splendors of the Vatican, the colorful stalls of the Campo di Fiori, the Trevi Fountain, the Piazza Navona, the food, the coffee, the wine, the people, even the feral cats in the ruins. I'd go there tomorrow if I could. It's a mess but it's a glorious mess.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    The people leave a lot to be desired.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The number of honest people in Rome can be counted on one hand. Everyone steals from everyone else, or attempts to. I would happily raze all the ancient architecture there if it would prevent naïve tourists from thinking Rome was worth visiting. Or better yet I would just remove the native population entirely and leave the city as an outdoor museum.

  127. Scandinavians and Germans are cooperative and conformist. The key to dominating them is to take over their institutions, then issuing whatever agenda you desire.

    Interestingly enough, until very recently, Germany had much more conservative immigration policies than the Anglo countries.

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @JohnnyWalker123


    . . . Germans are cooperative and conformist. The key to dominating them is to take over their institutions, then issuing whatever agenda you desire.
     
    I don't know if you are a history buff . . . but there was a guy in the 30's who pretty much proved this thesis. (Hat tip to Norm MacDonald).

    https://youtu.be/uXdtafGdIVM
    , @Ryan Andrews
    @JohnnyWalker123

    We may have to rethink this notion of Anglos as uniquely jealous for their liberty may have to be rethought post-covid. Despite all the Left's nonsense about 'freedum-loving American covidiots,' the US, and the rest of the Anglosphere, actually stand-out for their willingness to accept the restrictions lying-down. Has there been a single anti-lockdown/anti-mask rally in the US that drew more than a couple hundred people. Continental Europeans, including the Germans, have been far more aggressive in their push-back. Surely part of this owes to them having more of a rowdy street-protest culture in general, but perhaps that itself says something. It seems like the UK population is resisting it a bit more than the new world Anglos are, and they appear much more lax about masks than us, but overall the image of liberty-loving Anglo has taken a big hit.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

  128. @Art Deco
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Trump’s models in life are mostly hard-ass New York Jews like Roy Cohn, whom he learned to admire for their lack of morals and ability to get one over on WASP elites, whom Trump also despises.

    Trump had one model - his father. Cohn did legal work for all sorts of characters from mafiosi to dissident members of the Ford family. He had a wide array of friends and acquaintances from all walks of life. There is no indication that anyone emulated him as he was sui generis. As for Trump, his personality was distinct from that of his siblings from the time he was a child. His sister Maryanne's resentment of him extends as far back as 1958 if not earlier. (Note, some of Maryanne's remarks about her brother are demonstrably false, though, one might wager, not conscious lies).

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    Trump had one model – his father.

    One could make a case – Steve has in the past- for George Steinbrenner as well.

  129. @Jack D

    His sister Maryanne’s resentment of him extends as far back as 1958 if not earlier.
     
    Who ever heard of sibling rivalry? Such a thing is unknown. There's not even a word for it. Why would an older sister have any reason to be jealous of her baby brother who was more favored by their father, perhaps because of his gender?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Sibling rivalry when you’re 81 years old and your parents are nearly 20 years dead is not a good look.

    Trump knew who to call to get his sister’s name in the hopper for a federal judgeship. Maryanne Trump may have been a capable judge and it may have been a passable wager that she’d make a capable judge. However, the number of lawyers in the 19 counties around New York with her credentials in 1984 must have been numbered in five digits. A local pol in Rochester used to say, “For every patronage job you give away, you create nine enemies and one ingrate”. Too true.

    I’m out on a limb here, but my gut tells me she believed everything she told her niece, by which I mean she’s a common feminine type: she remembers moods much better than she remembers events. She was angry at her brother at the time and the rest is derivative. (1) “He was a brat, I did his homework” is not very credible. From 1954 to 1958, she was enrolled at Mount Holyoke, which is in western Massachusetts. From 1959 to 1964, he was a boarding student at the New York Military Academy up in Orange County, NY; she was recently married and had a child (and living in Manhattan, I believe). In the interval in between, it’s easy to imagine her mother expected her help in handling her problem child, help she wasn’t giving freely. (2) I have heard of people going on campus tours and having interviews with admissions officials before or after filling out a posted application; I have never heard of someone driving around a city looking for a college that might accept a problem family member; she insists that’s what she did. (3) The 1940 Census returns have been digitized; you can run searches yourself to see how many people in New York and New Jersey at that time were named some variant of ‘Joe Shapiro’ and were 15 to 21 years of age. There weren’t many. Somehow, I doubt the given name ‘Joseph’ got a great deal more popular between the early 1920s and the mid 1940s. There wasn’t some other Joe Shapiro taking his boards for him. You don’t have to be brilliant to figure this out; Mary L Trump is just too vicious and too addled by confirmation bias to do that.

  130. OT, mildly, but in the spirit of “Whats the matter with (Fill in name of state)?”, we have the forensic analysis of the Dominion Voting Machines, in Atrim County Michigan.

    The Dominion machines were used throughout Michigan.

    See:

    ttps://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

    Some interesting takeaways.

    The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is of 1 in 250,000 ballots (.0008%). We observed an error rate of 68.05%. This demonstrated a significant and fatal error in security and election integrity.

    Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years, but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing.

    Likewise, all server security logs prior to 11:03pm on November 4, 2020 are missing. Other server logs before November 4, 2020 are present, therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for the security logs to be missing.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Here's the full URL:

    https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

    Some key takeaways:

    "all server security logs prior to 11:03 pm on November 4, 2020 are
    missing. This means that all security logs for the day after the election, on
    election day, and prior to election day are gone.
    Security logs are very important
    to an audit trail, forensics, and for detecting advanced persistent threats and
    outside attacks, especially on systems with outdated system files. These logs
    would contain domain controls, authentication failures, error codes, times users
    logged on and off, network connections to file servers between file accesses,
    internet connections, times, and data transfers. Other server logs before
    November 4, 2020 are present; therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for
    the security logs to be missing. "

    "The Election Event Designer Log shows that Dominion ImageCast Precinct
    Cards were programmed with new ballot programming on 10/23/2020 and then
    again after the election on 11/05/2020. These system changes affect how ballots
    are read and tabulated, and our examination demonstrated a significant change
    in voter results using the two different programs. In accordance with the Help
    America Vote Act, this violates the 90-day Safe Harbor Period which prohibits
    changes to election systems, registries, hardware/software updates without
    undergoing re-certification.
    According to the National Conference of State
    Legislatures – Michigan requires full compliance with federal standards as
    determined by a federally accredited voting system laboratory.

    "The only reason to change software after the election would be to obfuscate
    evidence of fraud and/or to correct program errors that would de-certify the
    election.
    Our findings show that the Central Lake Township tabulator tape totals
    were significantly altered by utilizing two different program versions (10/23/2020
    and 11/05/2020), both of which were software changes during an election which
    violates election law, and not just human error associated with the Dominion
    Election Management System. This is clear evidence of software generated
    movement of votes."

    "Because the intentional high error rate generates large numbers of ballots to be
    adjudicated by election personnel, we must deduce that bulk adjudication
    occurred. However, because files and adjudication logs are missing, we have not
    yet determined where the bulk adjudication occurred or who was responsible for
    it.

    "However, based on the preliminary results, we conclude that the errors are so significant that they call into question the integrity and legitimacy of the results in the Antrim County 2020 election to the point that the results are not certifiable. Because the same machines and software are used in 48 other counties in Michigan, this casts doubt on the integrity of the entire election in the state of Michigan."

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

  131. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    Dominion contractor, Melissa Carone
     
    Did you see Carone's testimony? It was literally a joke. The SNL parody of Carone was less funny than Carone's actual testimony (not a high bar given that SNL is rarely funny nowadays, but nevermind). If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.

    I haven't investigated all of the things that you mention but the courts (many of them with Republican judges) have considered all of the evidence and have not accepted any of it as probative.

    It looks to me as if Dominion does most of its business in NON swing states. If a state is not a swing state, then even if the Dominion machines were changing EVERY vote to Biden, it still wouldn't make a bit of difference. If Biden wins NY by 3 million votes instead of 2 million, what difference does it make?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Johann Ricke

    If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.

    Saturday Night Live is the source for your “no fraud” case. That’s what would get you laughed out of court. How about Rudy’s hair dye? You forgot to mention how that proves no fraud occurred.

    Please explain why you think Carone was committing perjury? Why didn’t your side just produce the workers she witnessed or the audit trail of their machines (which could be easily done). Wouldn’t that be a tad more persuasive than criticizing her hair or her accent, or claiming she was drunk?

    I haven’t investigated all of the things that you mention but the courts (many of them with Republican judges) have considered all of the evidence and have not accepted any of it as probative.

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. This is the MSM talking point for people who know nothing about the legal system or election law. The lawsuits did not “consider all of the evidence” nor did they rule it was not “probative” of fraud. They were basically all state law emergency injunction applications to try to slow down the administrative vote certification process and get time to present evidence which was in the hands of the states. The courts basically all (predictably) dodged the issue by saying they were going to defer to the (usually biased and partisan) county vote boards and political Secretaries of State to certify their vote counts. Or on other procedural grounds like latches and standing.

    No court has ever ruled on the overall question of whether fraud occurred or altered the election. And frankly there is no way all the evidence could have been discovered and presented in the incredibly short time frame, anyway. The fraudsters have quite logically obstructed and distracted in order to play out this very short clock. Having done so, they will now say “What difference at this point does it make?” and that the whole affair must never be spoken of for the “good of democracy.”

    I have no illusion Trump will be out of office. But I’d still like to find out exactly what happened in this election rather than have the MSM sweep it under the rug and spend the next four years calling people “conspiracy theorists” for wanting the get the facts.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Hypnotoad666

    And Paula Jones' proven accusations against Bill Clinton were laughable nonsense because she was "trailer trash" and had an uncool hairstyle.

  132. @Alexander Turok
    A simpler explanation is that the historically social-Democratic Minnesotans didn't like the tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

    Replies: @anon

    A simpler explanation is that the historically social-Democratic Minnesotans didn’t like the tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

    This site desperately needs a Retarded button.

  133. @JimDandy
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    The group that was dramatically against him was single women. The are a profoundly unhappy lot. Riding the bad boy cock carousel embitters women, and Trump became a symbol for them to hate on.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Single women vote Democratic no matter who the candidates are.

    Two hypotheses: past a certain age, the pool of unmarried women is increasingly composed of creatures with an attitude problem. That aside, married women who manage to stay married typically have a different conception of where there interests lie.

    The Democratic Party is a great collecting pool of people who process the vicissitudes of life a particular way: someone screwed me over or someone screwed over my pets. Those aren’t the only people there, but people who think this way tend to be there.

  134. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Frank McGar

    I imagine there is still plenty of disagreeableness between the Ulsters and the Gaelics, even though the Troubles may be long over. It was always an ethnic conflict rather than the religious one the Western media made it out to be (ha, ha those dumb-ass Christians can even get along with each other let alone other religions). If the differences were only religious, then Ulster would have no problem rejoining Ireland over Brexit, since Wokeness is now the religion of choice for both of them.

    Replies: @Frank McGar, @Seamusmocnahoople

    Yep. A lot of people don’t get that it’s the occupation, rather than the religion, that’s at the heart of it. The colonists happened to be Protestant, but that’s just a signifier.

  135. @ThreeCranes
    OT but

    "Bill Gates says lockdowns could continue into 2022 and believes restaurants will be closed for the next six months
    Bill Gates offered his predictions during an interview with CNN on Sunday
    It came as the US set new records for new cases, hospitalizations and deaths over a seven-day period
    'Sadly the next four to six months could be the worst of the epidemic,' Gates said
    He went on to signal support for coronavirus-related business restrictions
    'Bars and restaurants in most of the country will be closed as we go into this wave, and I think sadly that's appropriate,' he said
    Gates said he thinks the US will become more 'normal' by summertime after a vaccine is rolled out
    He also expressed optimism about Joe Biden's incoming administration ." Daily Mail

    Who is this Bill Gates guy anyway? Anybody ever heard of him? His pronouncements re Covid and lockdown are taken as gospel?

    I'm telling you, the Great Reset is the transition to a computer-run America/world. From the Puget Sound Business Journal,

    "Microsoft is building a new data center on 200 acres in the Port of Quincy, Wash., which is in Grant County in Eastern Washington – a region that has the cheapest energy in the country.....

    Tech companies and other businesses, such as e-commerce companies, that use data centers have come under fire from environmental groups for their enormous use of electricity, both to run the servers and to keep them cool. The New York Times hired experts last year to determine how much electricity data centers use and found it to be about 30 billion watts worldwide, about the equivalent of the output of 30 nuclear power plants. About a third of that was used by U.S. data centers.

    But Quincy, which sits right near the Columbia River, generates energy using hydropower, a green, renewable source of energy. The new data center will be the largest of all the data centers in Quincy, three times the size of Microsoft’s other Quincy data center.

    Microsoft hasn't said what it plans to use the new data center for, but cloud services are some of its fastest-growing businesses right now, so it's likely we'll see more announcements like this in the future."

    The Biden team--those that count anyway--is already on board with this. Trump guys weren't briefed and so, had to go.

    They're handing decision making off to the Big Computer. Covid provided the cover for the awkward transition.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Whiskey

    So Gates issues this proclamation; lockdowns will continue through 2022.

    Apparently the roll out of the Massive Computer which will know and run everything is not going as smoothly as hoped. Unassimilable variables such as those posed by the still-cash-dependent small businesses means they will have to remain in suspended animation until all the bugs are ironed out.

    Meanwhile everyone, stay indoors. Hunker down. It’s easier to get a handle on you that way and reduces those variables as well. Implementation by incremental steps. Stay out of our hair. Do what you’re told. Watch TV. Stay tuned. Further announcements from the DosFather forthcoming.

  136. @the one they call Desanex

    Boastfulness is a big part of British-American deep folk culture: see the tales of Davy Crockett and Mike Fink, an Ohio keelboat operator around 1800.
     
    As depicted in the film The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean(1972) (Snake River Rufus Krile played by Neil Summers):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2r5pNGNXpU&feature=youtu.be

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    Goddamn video didn’t “embed”, or whatever you call it. Trying again.

  137. @Anon7
    Is this statement true?

    It's not possible to certify this past election because it's not possible to perform a forensic audit in many precincts.
     
    There are a variety of reasons why it's not possible; for example, the provenance of mail-in ballots is often discarded, leaving just a pile of pieces of paper. Recounting them doesn't tell you anything, because you can't prove where they came from.

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    See my link to the forensic audit above.

    If one machine or set of machines is bad, then if the same machine is uses elsewhere, can we simply assume that the rest of the ARE good?

    The questions answers itself.

  138. I am a Norwegian, living in Norway.
    Yes, it is definitely a sin here to boast, or even speak of yourself in a non-derogatory way.

    We have some dollar billionaires here, but they would typically say that they’ve been lucky, had good people working for them or whatever, except mentioning intellect or work…..

    OK, most billionaires does not score high on intelligence, but working hard is often a pretty usual part of it.

    Of course, a suitable amount of alcohol, most of them revise their statements, and sometimes the press gets this on video….. poor sucker.

    However , work is what is considered the most important part of most things, but through the lasr 30 years a full 1 million of Norwegians have been born in Norway with one or both parents born outside Norway, and to that you add the 800 000 being born outside Norway, this adds up to 1,8 million people out of 5,4 million people in all in the country. With more than a third of the population with little or no connection to the country, the work ethics would dissipate.

    A lot is said about Norway’s petroleum, but Norway is no Kuwait, the oil income wouldn’t even cover the social security payouts of today.

    The future is on hold

  139. @Clyde
    Steny Hoyer - Germanic. Midwest. Midwest is full of intermarriage between Anglo-English and the Germanics. Germans/Germanics are the largest immigrant group as far as I know. They are not boisterous so no one cares about or knows this.

    Contrast this with the Irish who are LOUD and have their St Patrick's Day parades about March 15 / I have eaten my share of pickled corned beef and potatoes, cabbage/vegs on those days

    Replies: @Ed Case

    Does per capita Meat Consumption figure here?
    I’m thinking Scandi descended people eat more meat and fat and not much vegetation, these people may be less susceptible to messianic hucksters such as Trump?

  140. @Ichabod
    Or perhaps he won the state. For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud? It seems like it is getting close to time for us to stand and be counted.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Hypnotoad666, @AnotherDad, @Tex, @TWS, @Ryan Andrews

    He did speculate about it some right after the election—the Left have been saying that Trump is a fascist threat to the republic for four years, who must be stopped by any means necessary, so is it really so hard to believe that more than a few Democrats would cheat to defeat him? What else do you want him to say about it?

    We haven’t been shown any hard evidence of fraud. Implausible vote results are not good enough, and frankly, the vote numbers are not implausible. Trump won last time by eking out wins in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—”blue wall” states that the GOP had not won in a generation. This time, the vote in those states swung just a tiny bit back the other way, and he lost. Biden, as an old White guy who presents himself as a man of the people, was able to peel-off just enough of the voters in those states to win.

    The two main statistical anomalies cited as evidence of fraud are 1.) that Trump increased his vote total by 17%, and no other incumbent who did so had ever lost reelection, and 2.) that Trump won almost all the “bellwether” counties that almost always predict the overall winner, but these two indicators are obsolete in the age of polarization (and increased racial diversity). The bellwether counties of yore are a bunch of White, rural counties, and rural Whites have swung hard away from the Democrats, especially over the last twenty years or so. At the same time, rural Whites are a shrinking share of the vote, and their swing to the GOP has been countered by a less dramatic, but still noteworthy, shift of the suburbs toward the Democrats, and by larger numbers of nonwhite voters.

    For instance, in the 90s Clinton carried Iowa and Missouri twice, not simply by running-up-the-score in urban areas, but by carrying most of the counties in those states. In both 2016 and 2020, the Democrats won exactly three of Missouri’s 114 counties (plus the city of St. Louis), and 6 of Iowa’s 99 counties. Meanwhile, take a look at the nine blue counties in Georgia around Atlanta: only one of those nine counties has a White majority (of 51.1%!) and 7 of the 9 have a Black majority of plurality.

    Of course, mail-in voting is an inherently insecure method of conducting an election, and the Democrats pulled a bunch of crap to make it even less secure. And early voting, some places were literally voting in September, is ridiculous. Pretty soon we’ll just have a rolling system of voting because anything less would be disenfranchisement. And I would love to be shown proof of massive fraud, but the results to me do not look out-of-line. Trump is the rural and working-class White man’s candidate, so they came out in droves for him, and the Left’s reason-for-being is to oppose the rural and working-class White man, so their coalition-of-the-fringes came out in droves to oppose him.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Ryan Andrews

    We haven’t been shown any hard evidence of fraud.

    'Fraid it's on video. Not to mention hundreds of affidavits. And while you're fussing over whether the evidence is 'hard' enough, ask yourself why you have 'observers' posted too far away to actually observe anything and resort to force and deception to get other observers out of the room.

    We haven't had a substantive audit because courts keep finding procedural excuses not to order one.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

  141. @JohnnyWalker123
    Scandinavians and Germans are cooperative and conformist. The key to dominating them is to take over their institutions, then issuing whatever agenda you desire.

    Interestingly enough, until very recently, Germany had much more conservative immigration policies than the Anglo countries.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ryan Andrews

    . . . Germans are cooperative and conformist. The key to dominating them is to take over their institutions, then issuing whatever agenda you desire.

    I don’t know if you are a history buff . . . but there was a guy in the 30’s who pretty much proved this thesis. (Hat tip to Norm MacDonald).

    • LOL: JohnnyWalker123
  142. Steve Sailer must be a fan of the Minnesota Twins and Kent Hrbeck and Rod Carew and Harmon Killebrew and Tony Oliva and Kirby Puckett and Bert Blyleven and many, many more Minnesota Twins because Steve Sailer has been writing about Minnesota and all things Minnesota for years now.

    STEVE SAILER HAS GONE TO MINNESOTA IN HIS MIND

    Apologies to James Taylor.

    Tweets from 2015:

  143. Minnesota brings up Permit Patty and her Minnesota Vikings shirt and her nice legs and her last name of Lund and the fact that she worked at Harvard and Harvard has a 40 billion dollar endowment just waiting to be financially liquidated by some crazed right wing White Core American populist.

    I wrote this in July of 2018 about Permit Patty and her nice legs and her Minnesota Vikings shirt:

    I like Permit Patty better than Sidewalk Susie. I guess you can call her what you will.

    Permit Patty has nice legs.

    Some women might look at this video and they won’t get past the obvious fact that Permit Patty has nice legs. Most men will say I side with that White lady with the nice legs. Permit Patty might be a rower. She could be a nice Viking lady rowing a boat.

    The physicality of the current political moment is a prelude to the anti-White animosity erupting into Civil War II.

    Trumpy would sometimes turn the sound off to judge TV appearances by himself and others. Turn the sound down and watch the video of Permit Patty, if you don’t find yourself focused on Permit Patty’s legs then you’re a dope.

    Holy Shit! Is our White Permit Patty wearing a Minnesota Vikings shirt?

  144. British vs. Germanic-Nordic.

    This can be perpendicularized. There is a huge difference between the chatty peanut salesman of Georgia and the taciturn lobsterman of Maine.

    Likewise with Germans and Nordics. Living among them, you’ll see similar differences. These were quite stark in the 1912 suffrage amendment vote in Wisconsin. The Scandinavian counties endorsed it wholeheartedly– their mother countries had already had it for years. The Germans forgot their internal differences– Catholic/Protestant/secular, traditional/socialist, rural/urban– and united to crush it.

    Of course, suffrage was only a cover for the real issue, the threatened legality of brewing. Attitude toward alcohol is one of the biggest cleavages between Germans and their neighbors to the north. And, in the Great Lakes states, between suffragists and anti-suffragists.

    Don’t forget the differences within the Nordics, either. Danes are the most assimilated. Norwegians, whose families left Swedish rule, never shut up about their heritage. Swedes know who they are, but are less vocal about it. Everything about Finns, here and at home, is half-Nordic. They choose the bits that work for them.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Reg Cæsar

    Germans are more conservative than Scandinavians, generally speaking.

  145. What kind of establishment hack would write this gibberish in light of this election being obviously fraudulent..

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Anonymous

    Agreed. And I haven't seen much analysis here of just how bad that Supreme Court decision was on Friday.

  146. @TestAcctforUnz
    @Hypnotoad666


    Steve’s avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous.
     
    Remember this, next time he has a funding drive.

    Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “Remember this, next time he has a funding drive.”

    Sailer got his nest feathered by some entity paying him to pretend the sniffles are an existential threat. He’s a made man for globohomo now – the fundraisers are just gravy. Same as that guy calling himself Lion – both paid shills for globohomo. I think ‘Exponential’ Unz is merely genuinely innumerate and made a fool of himself pro homo.

  147. @TWS
    @Ichabod

    I think he's said there wasn't enough fraud to matter.

    Unless your fighter is throwing the match, when do you ever not cheat enough to win? Why even do it if you're not willing to go far enough to win?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    How would he possibly know that when they will not audit the fake ballots?!

    And only a complete idiot would claim there isn’t enough evidence of fraud to justify a full audit..

  148. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best.

    In Minnesota, even before the plandemic changes, voter fraud was much easier to commit than in Wisconsin. Ballot harvesting has, for decades, been all but legal in Minnesota.

    That, plus the plandemic changes, made it easy for Biden to increase his vote margins over Hillary.

    Norwegians in Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin all swung hard to Trump.

    Some of you guys really need to pay attention to the Texas suit, and to what Robert Barnes says.

    I haven’t been on Unz in a while, by the way. Are you guys still pretending that Biden actually won in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, and Georgia? That’s so cute.

  149. @JohnnyWalker123
    Scandinavians and Germans are cooperative and conformist. The key to dominating them is to take over their institutions, then issuing whatever agenda you desire.

    Interestingly enough, until very recently, Germany had much more conservative immigration policies than the Anglo countries.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Ryan Andrews

    We may have to rethink this notion of Anglos as uniquely jealous for their liberty may have to be rethought post-covid. Despite all the Left’s nonsense about ‘freedum-loving American covidiots,’ the US, and the rest of the Anglosphere, actually stand-out for their willingness to accept the restrictions lying-down. Has there been a single anti-lockdown/anti-mask rally in the US that drew more than a couple hundred people. Continental Europeans, including the Germans, have been far more aggressive in their push-back. Surely part of this owes to them having more of a rowdy street-protest culture in general, but perhaps that itself says something. It seems like the UK population is resisting it a bit more than the new world Anglos are, and they appear much more lax about masks than us, but overall the image of liberty-loving Anglo has taken a big hit.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Ryan Andrews

    Restrictions are more intense in Europe. I read that in some French cities you couldn’t jog more than a few kilometers from your house for awhile. Also, the U.S states containing more rowdy types have not been subject to hard lockdowns. I can still take a plane or drive wherever I want. I don’t wear a mask exercising. I can go to a bar or a restaurant if I wear the mask through the door, but then I take it off once I sit down. The only thing I can’t do is gather with 20 people in public, which I never did to begin with.

    It’s really not that bad in the more conservative half of the U.S. In some states there are even fewer restrictions than here, and you don’t have to wear masks in stores.

    I think part of the mask worship in places like Massachusetts is simply to feel superior to the rabble.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

  150. @Anonymous
    What kind of establishment hack would write this gibberish in light of this election being obviously fraudulent..

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Agreed. And I haven’t seen much analysis here of just how bad that Supreme Court decision was on Friday.

  151. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Also the larger point: Minnesota and Wisconsin probably don’t have a significant number of Scots-Irish (or even Scots) population. Minnesota, ironically, does have a significant percentage of Scandinavians. As you mentioned, Trump’s Highland Scots has a significant admixture of Vikings (Scandinavians). According to this line of reasoning Trump and Minnesota should’ve been like first cousins. In fact, he lost the state by a greater percentage than he did four years ago.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    In fact, he lost the state by a greater percentage than he did four years ago.

    Trump did better among rural Norwegians than he did in 2016, and literally would not have “lost” WI without fraudulent votes, so the only way he lost ground in Minnesota was if ballot harvesting, etc, was totally allowed in Minnesota. Guess what? It was.

    Most of you simply are not sufficiently familiar with the statistical and demographic anomalies in this election, nor with the election “laws” of Democrat states. Plus everyone on Unz keeps citing how Trump lost 3% of the white male vote, without accounting for the fact that he gained many more white males in total while mail-in voting made it easy for low-propensity Democrat voters to vote for a man who was the most unpopular Democrat candidate nationally since the 1970s.

    Sadly, I don’t have enough time to lambaste the rest of this comment thread.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    But you did have enough time to lambaste in soundbite form, claiming voter fraud. It's over. Let it go.

  152. @Reg Cæsar

    British vs. Germanic-Nordic.
     
    This can be perpendicularized. There is a huge difference between the chatty peanut salesman of Georgia and the taciturn lobsterman of Maine.

    Likewise with Germans and Nordics. Living among them, you'll see similar differences. These were quite stark in the 1912 suffrage amendment vote in Wisconsin. The Scandinavian counties endorsed it wholeheartedly-- their mother countries had already had it for years. The Germans forgot their internal differences-- Catholic/Protestant/secular, traditional/socialist, rural/urban-- and united to crush it.

    Of course, suffrage was only a cover for the real issue, the threatened legality of brewing. Attitude toward alcohol is one of the biggest cleavages between Germans and their neighbors to the north. And, in the Great Lakes states, between suffragists and anti-suffragists.

    Don't forget the differences within the Nordics, either. Danes are the most assimilated. Norwegians, whose families left Swedish rule, never shut up about their heritage. Swedes know who they are, but are less vocal about it. Everything about Finns, here and at home, is half-Nordic. They choose the bits that work for them.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Germans are more conservative than Scandinavians, generally speaking.

    • Agree: Thoughts
  153. A lot of this is city vs. country. One county provided Biden with his entire winning margin:

    (From Biden won big in Minnesota. Why didn’t legislative Democrats?)

    Hennepin is Minneapolis and a lot of suburbs and exurbs of all kinds. And some surviving farm country. And a huge university.

    Ramsey is St Paul and a few suburbs. The county fair barely survives as the farms disappear. Dakota and Washington are suburban and exurban. Olmstead is Rochester, i.e., Mayo Clinic. Very, very white.

    St Louis is Duluth and most of the Iron Range. Traditionally Lake Superior miner-commie, as with Michigan and Wisconsin. (Anyone know about the Ontario side?) The only racial issue is Indian casinos. This has been the DFL’s ace-in-the-hole in close elections for decades. It recently sent a Republican to Congress, so maybe that’s starting to erode.

    The other rural DFL stronghold (other than the reservations) was the Driftless in the southeast corner, which is swinging GOP. (Even more so in the Wisconsin and Iowa portions.)

    [MORE]


    2018, all races:

  154. @Anonymous
    It expands to other Protestant spin-offs too. Biden also flipped Kent County, Michigan where there are a lot of Dutch Reformed and conservative Dutch around Grand Rapids. The Michigan GOP Senate leader said that was one of the keys to Michigan.

    However Trump kept the Dutch Reformed in Northwestern Iowa.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

    Trump kept the Dutch Reformed in Northwestern Iowa.

    Michigan is one of the few states I’ve never visited, but I’ve been amongst the Dutch Reformed in northwestern Iowa (I saw Rep. Steve King in the Tulip Festival parade in Orange City), and I would be somewhat surprised if the ones around Grand Rapids are quite as distinctive as the ones north of Sioux City. But they don’t let their Dutched-ness interfere with their right-wingery, you might say. They might very well think Trump a boor, but they ain’t voting for some liberal. Which, come to think of it, is pretty much my perspective as well.

  155. @Frank McGar
    @Jack D

    I agree with you. Trump affected people on a much deeper level than they'd be willing to admit. I've had numerous discussions with people, going point-by-point down the list and showing how the media has misrepresented him for 4 years: Russiagate, the "fine people" debacle, constant questions about his refusal to denounce white supremacy (he's done it countless times), media blackouts when it comes to Hunter Biden, etc. The response is almost always something along the lines of "yeah, but his his tweets!"

    I think it all started with the Hillary debates. The Clintons have always been the media favorites, political royalty that can do no wrong. Trump treated her like a schoolyard bully and verbally punched her in the nose during the debates. People who are used to a certain level of "decorum" from their leaders just couldn't take it - it triggered a switch in their hindbrain that never went off. Regardless of what Bush, Obama, the Clintons did behind the scenes, they acted the part, put people at ease in some way that they had a "reasonable" person in charge. At the end of the day, a lot of voters just want to be conned into believing everything is fine, even if shit is rotten to the core (see Justin Trudeau).

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Good comment. Before the 2016 election, Limbaugh said it was a disagreement between people who feel like the country is more-or-less headed in the right direction with Obama at the helm, and those who feel it is heading for disaster, due to debt, immigration, identity politics, and corruption of every institution from government, to the MSM, to social media, to academia, etc. To deal with that, we were willing to elect as unconventional a candidate as Trump. To those comfortable with the status quo, this was an outrage, the proverbial turd in the punchbowl.

    When it was announced that Biden had won, my progressive sister-in-law crowed, “Back to normal!” Yes, of course, back to normal, with a new leader who is a lifelong political hack, physically and mentally feeble, brazenly corrupt, and without a fixed principle or identifiable accomplishment to his name. That’s what passes for normal these days.

  156. @Prester John
    Jackson may have been a "self-made man"-a concept which has evolved into something like a badge of honor in American folklore even to this day--but that description does not really apply to Trump who, as is well known, inherited his father's real estate business.

    Replies: @James Braxton, @Alden

    Fred Trump didn’t die until 1999.

    Donald Trump was already a billionaire/household name by then.

    Someone like Nelson Rockefeller owed his success to inherited wealth and would have been a nobody without it. That isn’t Donald Trump

    Donald Trump transcended his father’s success by orders of magnitude.

    • Agree: Alden
  157. braggadociollo for real. Cover your ears darlings:

    “I PICK THE GOD DAMN terror of the fucking gods out of my nose! Pardon my language. But YEEEEEHAW, let the sons of God and man bear witness! Even in the belly of the Thunderbird I’ve been casting out the False Prohets; I’m busting a gut and blowing my O-ring, and ripe to throw a loaf! For I speak only the fucking Truth, and never in my days have I spoken other than! For my every utterance is a lie, including this very one you hear! I say, `Fuck’em if they can’t take a joke!’ By God, `Anything for a laugh’, I say. I am the last remaining Homo Correctus, I am the god damn Man of the Future! I’ll drive a mile so as not to walk a foot; I am a human being of the first god damn water! Yes, I’m the javalina humping junkie that jumped the Men from Mars! I drank the Devil under seven tables, I am too intense to die, I’m insured for acts o’ God and Satan! I was shanghaied by bodiless fiends and alien jews from a corporate galaxy, and got away with their hubcaps! I cannot be tracked on radar! I wear nothing uniform, I wear no god damn uniform! Yes baby, I’m 23 feet tall and have 13 rows o’ teats; I was suckled by a triceratops, I gave the Anti-Virgin a high-protien tonsil wash! I’m a bacteriological weapon, I armed and loaded! I’m a fission reactor, I fart plutonium, power plants are fueled by the sweat from my brow; when they plug me in, the lights go out in Hong Kong! I weigh 666 pounds in zero gravity, come and get me! I’ve sired retarded space bastards across the Cosmos, I cook and eat my dead; YAH-HOOOO, I’m the Unshaven Thorn Tree of the Atlantis Zoo! I pay no taxes! The Devil’s hands are my ideal playground! I hold the Seven-Bladed Windbreaker; the wheels that turn are behind me; I think backwards! I do it for fun! My imagination is a fucking cancer and I’ll pork it before it porks me! The say a godzillion is the highest number there is. Well by God! I count to a godzillion and one! Yes, I’m the purple flower of Hell County, give me wide berth; when I drop my drawers, Mother Nature swoons! I use a python for a prophylactic; I’m thicker, harder and meaner than the Alaskan Pipeline, and carry more spew! I’ll freeze your seed before it hits the bathroom tile! YEE! YEEE! I kidnapped the future and ransomed it for the past, I made Time wait up for me to bleed my lizard! My infernal breath wilts the Tree of Life, I left my spoor on the Rock of Ages, who’ll tear flesh with me, who’ll spill their juice? Who’ll gouge with me, whose candle will I fart out? Whoop! I’m ready! So step aside, all you butt-lipped, neurotic, insecure bespectacled slabs o’ wimp meat! I’m a Crime Fighting Master Criminal, I am Not Insane! I’m a screamer and a laugher, I make a spectacle of myself, I am a sight! My physical type cannot be classified by science, my `familiar’ is a pterodactyl, I feed it dipshits! I communicate without wires or strings! I am a Thuggee, I am feared in the Tongs, I have the Evil Eye, I carry the Mojo Bag; I swam the Bermuda Triangle and didn’t get wet! I circumcize dinosaurs with my teeth and make ’em leave a tip; I change tires with my tongue and my tool! Every night I hock up a lunger and extinguish the Sun! I’m the bigfooted devil of Level 14, who’ll try to blow me down? I’ve packed the brownies of the gods, I leak the Plague from my nether parts, opiates are the mass of my religion, I take drugs! Yes, I’m a rip-snorter, I cram coca leaves right into my arm-veins before they’re picked off the tree! Space monsters cringe at my tread! I wipe the Pyramides off my shoes before I enter my house. I’m fuel-injected, I’ll live forever and remember it afterwords! I’m immune! I’m radioactive! Come on and give me cancer, I’ll spit up the tumor and butter my bread with the juice! I’m supernatural, I bend crowbars with my meat ax and a thought! My droppings bore through the earth and erupt volcanoes in China! Yes, I can drink more wine and stay soberer than all the heathen Hindoos in Asia! YEEE HAW! Gut Blowout! I am a Moray Eel, I am a Komodo Dragon, I am the Killer Whale bereft of its pup! I have a triple backbone, I was sired by the Wolf Man, give me all your Slack! I told Jesus I wouldn’t go to church and He shook my hand! I have my own personal saviors, I change ’em every hour, I don’t give a fuck if there’s life after death, I want to know if there’s even any fucking Slack after death! I am a god damn visionary, I see the future and the past in comic books and wine bottles; I eat black holes for breakfast! I bend my genes and whittle my DNA with the sheer force of my mighty will! I steer my own god damn evolution! I ran ’em out of Heaven and sold it to Hell for a profit! I’m enlightened, I achieved `Nirvana’ and took it home with me. Yip, yip, YEEEEEEE! I’m so ugly the Speed of Light can’t slow me down and Gravity won’t tug at my cuffs! When the Rapture comes, I’ll make ’em wait! They’ll never clean my cage! Now give me some more of…”
    (Tape runs out.)

  158. @Ryan Andrews
    @Ichabod

    He did speculate about it some right after the election—the Left have been saying that Trump is a fascist threat to the republic for four years, who must be stopped by any means necessary, so is it really so hard to believe that more than a few Democrats would cheat to defeat him? What else do you want him to say about it?

    We haven't been shown any hard evidence of fraud. Implausible vote results are not good enough, and frankly, the vote numbers are not implausible. Trump won last time by eking out wins in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—"blue wall" states that the GOP had not won in a generation. This time, the vote in those states swung just a tiny bit back the other way, and he lost. Biden, as an old White guy who presents himself as a man of the people, was able to peel-off just enough of the voters in those states to win.

    The two main statistical anomalies cited as evidence of fraud are 1.) that Trump increased his vote total by 17%, and no other incumbent who did so had ever lost reelection, and 2.) that Trump won almost all the "bellwether" counties that almost always predict the overall winner, but these two indicators are obsolete in the age of polarization (and increased racial diversity). The bellwether counties of yore are a bunch of White, rural counties, and rural Whites have swung hard away from the Democrats, especially over the last twenty years or so. At the same time, rural Whites are a shrinking share of the vote, and their swing to the GOP has been countered by a less dramatic, but still noteworthy, shift of the suburbs toward the Democrats, and by larger numbers of nonwhite voters.

    For instance, in the 90s Clinton carried Iowa and Missouri twice, not simply by running-up-the-score in urban areas, but by carrying most of the counties in those states. In both 2016 and 2020, the Democrats won exactly three of Missouri's 114 counties (plus the city of St. Louis), and 6 of Iowa's 99 counties. Meanwhile, take a look at the nine blue counties in Georgia around Atlanta: only one of those nine counties has a White majority (of 51.1%!) and 7 of the 9 have a Black majority of plurality.

    Of course, mail-in voting is an inherently insecure method of conducting an election, and the Democrats pulled a bunch of crap to make it even less secure. And early voting, some places were literally voting in September, is ridiculous. Pretty soon we'll just have a rolling system of voting because anything less would be disenfranchisement. And I would love to be shown proof of massive fraud, but the results to me do not look out-of-line. Trump is the rural and working-class White man's candidate, so they came out in droves for him, and the Left's reason-for-being is to oppose the rural and working-class White man, so their coalition-of-the-fringes came out in droves to oppose him.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    We haven’t been shown any hard evidence of fraud.

    ‘Fraid it’s on video. Not to mention hundreds of affidavits. And while you’re fussing over whether the evidence is ‘hard’ enough, ask yourself why you have ‘observers’ posted too far away to actually observe anything and resort to force and deception to get other observers out of the room.

    We haven’t had a substantive audit because courts keep finding procedural excuses not to order one.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Art Deco

    Affidavits, videos, and $2 are worth a cup of coffee. In the US, if you can't prove it in court, it's of no consequence. Trump tried, and failed in court a few dozen tines.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @James Braxton

  159. Back to normal indeed. Build back better sounds a lot like Make America Greater. MAGA is racist, but MAG? That’s gold!

  160. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    OT, mildly, but in the spirit of "Whats the matter with (Fill in name of state)?", we have the forensic analysis of the Dominion Voting Machines, in Atrim County Michigan.

    The Dominion machines were used throughout Michigan.

    See:

    ttps://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

    Some interesting takeaways.

    The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is of 1 in 250,000 ballots (.0008%). We observed an error rate of 68.05%. This demonstrated a significant and fatal error in security and election integrity.

    Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years, but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing.

    Likewise, all server security logs prior to 11:03pm on November 4, 2020 are missing. Other server logs before November 4, 2020 are present, therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for the security logs to be missing.
     

    Replies: @Anon7

    Here’s the full URL:

    https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5B121320%5D_v2_%5Bredacted%5D.pdf

    Some key takeaways:

    all server security logs prior to 11:03 pm on November 4, 2020 are
    missing. This means that all security logs for the day after the election, on
    election day, and prior to election day are gone.
    Security logs are very important
    to an audit trail, forensics, and for detecting advanced persistent threats and
    outside attacks, especially on systems with outdated system files. These logs
    would contain domain controls, authentication failures, error codes, times users
    logged on and off, network connections to file servers between file accesses,
    internet connections, times, and data transfers. Other server logs before
    November 4, 2020 are present; therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for
    the security logs to be missing. ”

    “The Election Event Designer Log shows that Dominion ImageCast Precinct
    Cards were programmed with new ballot programming on 10/23/2020 and then
    again after the election on 11/05/2020. These system changes affect how ballots
    are read and tabulated, and our examination demonstrated a significant change
    in voter results using the two different programs. In accordance with the Help
    America Vote Act, this violates the 90-day Safe Harbor Period which prohibits
    changes to election systems, registries, hardware/software updates without
    undergoing re-certification.
    According to the National Conference of State
    Legislatures – Michigan requires full compliance with federal standards as
    determined by a federally accredited voting system laboratory.

    The only reason to change software after the election would be to obfuscate
    evidence of fraud and/or to correct program errors that would de-certify the
    election.
    Our findings show that the Central Lake Township tabulator tape totals
    were significantly altered by utilizing two different program versions (10/23/2020
    and 11/05/2020), both of which were software changes during an election which
    violates election law, and not just human error associated with the Dominion
    Election Management System. This is clear evidence of software generated
    movement of votes.”

    “Because the intentional high error rate generates large numbers of ballots to be
    adjudicated by election personnel, we must deduce that bulk adjudication
    occurred. However, because files and adjudication logs are missing, we have not
    yet determined where the bulk adjudication occurred or who was responsible for
    it.

    “However, based on the preliminary results, we conclude that the errors are so significant that they call into question the integrity and legitimacy of the results in the Antrim County 2020 election to the point that the results are not certifiable. Because the same machines and software are used in 48 other counties in Michigan, this casts doubt on the integrity of the entire election in the state of Michigan.”

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Anon7

    Thanks for that.

    The Detroit Free Press has come out with a "contra" discussion of the Antrim County claims by Allied Security Operations Group

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/14/michigan-company-officials-dispute-report-antrim-county-voting/6538325002/

    The usual "harump harumpf" stuff from the other side but no statement disputing the disappearance of the security logs.

    Allied is clearly a Republican outfit, so the opposition does trot out the ad hominems. And Dominion said their systems "have passed rigorous state and federal testing and certification protocols to prove they are accurate and reliable."

    Oh, now I feel better. Yessiree.

    Unless Trump invokes the Insurrection Act, it's all over but the shouting.

    But the fact is this: if this sort of stuff was done by the Trump side -- bizarre mail in ballot rules, ballot dumps in the dead of night in key stronghold counties with no one watching, numerical results that strain credulity -- the drive-by media and Democrat party would be in a dudgeon beyond imagining.

  161. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Laurence Jarvik
    Last time I checked, President Trump is a German-American of Lutheran stock (now Presbyterian) and Joe Biden is a loud, boastful Irish-American. Try another theory.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Anonymous

    1) Biden is more acceptable type of tacky Irishman. He’s never had a quotidian job, that is not to say a useful or productive one. Whatever you think of hotels and casinos they’re harder to manage than two or three platoons of office drones in D.C. He even claimed to be in the top of his law school class or whatever scintilla of bourgeois respectability impresses German/Scandinavian diploma-worshipers and bloggers. Yuppie East & South Asians assimilate well to that kind of c.v.-polishing culture and aren’t offended when Joe or his wife make gestures toward it. Quite the contrary.
    2) Not sure about the rest of the clan but Pres. Trump is only 1/2 German. I don’t know what the Lutheran remark has to do with it. Lutherans are no more Default Liberal than the papists are, but in this society it frequently does pay off to posture that way.

  162. @Mr. Anon
    OT: Perhaps the next chapter in the Great Corona Freakout - mass evictions:

    https://archive.fo/Ryvkp

    One thing you may note from this article: the CDC issued a ban on evictions earlier this year. Apparently the CDC is empowered to suspend contracts between individual citizens. This was probably news to most Americans. Are there any other powers the CDC has of which we are unaware? Can they issue new currency? Require us to wear hair-shirts? Mandate that we sacrifice our first born to Moloch?

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    Of course you aren’t surprised to hear that a friend of ours, who has been trying to get a bum renter out for a long time, suddenly found out this guy could live for free in his rented home for another… year, will it be?

    I wonder if he can stop paying the mortgage since the renter won’t pay. All this stuff backs up. I don’t know where it stops.

  163. I have an idea of what is wrong with Minnesota: the Lutheran church helping to import thousands of sub 80 IQ Somali immigrants, who have destroyed the state from within.

  164. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    This is the kind of naive stupidity that GOP establishment cucks have been peddling for half a century.

    “Hispanics are natural conservatives! School choice is the new civil rights! Welfare only hurts poor people! Health insurance is a personal responsibility! A rising tide lifts all boats! If only we could explain conservative values more clearly, everyone would vote for us!”

    The fact of the matter is that conservatives are the only people who think in calm, logical and factual terms. Most people are ruled by emotions, self-interest, prejudices and wishful thinking. If you think in calm, logical and factual terms, you’re probably already a conservative and don’t need to be convinced. If you don’t, nothing will debunk your world view.

    • Agree: Polynikes
  165. Why is the burden of proof on us when the vote-counters abandoned procedure (stopping the count but also not stopping), even after radical changes (mail-in, abandonment of requirements), and physically expelled court-ordered observers?

  166. @Mr. Anon
    @Jake


    There was no voter fraud in MN because the Liberals knew that they would win MN no matter what.
     
    How do we know there isn't massive voter fraud in liberal strongholds? For the last several elections, the Democrats have made a big deal about how they won the popular vote. They use it as a reason for abolishing the electoral college - something that they obviously really want to do. Maybe they're goosing the popular-vote totals by cheating in reliably liberal areas. It would be easy to do - who would ever bother to look? Most Republicans, being the good loser party, don't even challenge obvious election fraud when it is obvious and in swing-states where it matters. It would be easy to phony-up vote tallies in New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, or the Bay Area.

    Replies: @Soviet of Washington

    Exactly.

    The ‘Soviet’ isn’t on anybody’s list of battleground states. Yet after adding 2020 data to my existing spreadsheet, I found it surprising that the average county went about 4.5% more Democrat over 2016. Now if that had been limited to the counties of Pugetopolis, I would have shrugged and thought little of it. However King county (Seattle and Redmond) had the 2nd lowest partisan change, and the change was most pronounced in the heavily Republican counties of the Eastern Soviet. Huh?

    Digging deeper, the vote totals appeared really high, even accounting for the change due to state population growth. Didn’t have any hot ticket ballot initiatives or other races that would have caused ultrahigh turnout either.

    Did a regression chart comparing Total Presidential Vote vs. Population back to 1960. All other elections were within 2 deviations the regression line (wc: 1996 -2.06). But 2020 was +6.3 deviations!! And pretty uniform across all counties in the state, except one (Lincoln).

    WA Population Chg (from 2016 [est]): +432K
    Chg in WA counted presidential ballots (from 2016): +724K

    Don’t have numbers for registered voters, but past data says about 50% of population change. Taking that ratio, then bumping up turnout to the historic high of 2008 (the year of Obama) still only gets you to 500K vote change. So I’d estimate 225-400K votes in WA state (5-10%) are suspect.

    FWIW, the GOP gubernatorial candidate is now suing claiming the (rino GOP) SoS didn’t force cleaning of the voter rolls, certification of machines, etc. I think it’s deeper than that.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Soviet of Washington

    Or maybe there was big turnout last month, what with the election being in the newspapers and everything?

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

  167. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.
     
    You are correct. But who has the guts to do this? And how could their message - no matter how compelling - break through in the current environment of media collusion and censorship?

    Republicans just wilt as soon as they are called "racist" by the media. So they are useless.

    Politics is downstream from culture as they say. And I suppose the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.

    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.

    Replies: @Prester John, @HammerJack, @Paul Mendez, @Desiderius

    “…the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.”

    That’s fighting the enemy on its own terms.

    The answer isn’t more Rush Limbaughs and Parlers. The answer is withdrawing from the whole rotten system. Stop paying taxes. Stop consuming worthless crap. Ignore stupid laws and regulations. Stop giving your money/data to Big Tech, Hollyweird, sportsball, MSM and universities. Passive resistance, monkey-wrenching, malicious compliance.

    Stop playing their game by their rules!

    • Agree: Kyle, Achmed E. Newman
  168. @Supply and Demand
    Excepting Ohio & Indiana, what northern white working class states did Trump win?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Ed, @Currahee

    Trump 2016:just barely won Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin on jobs, immigration.
    Trump 202o: lost ’em on Platinum Plan.

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  169. @Thoughts
    Off Topic:

    We always talk about how the #1 Danger to the Elite, is Elite Overproduction. There are a lot of Elite Daughters and Sons who need something to do.

    I believe that is why Covid Lockdowns are So Essential to the Elite in Places Like California.

    They need to put bars and restaurants out of business, they need to depress real estate so that the children of the elite can take over those bankrupt businesses.

    A famous restaurant goes out of business? Well...in 6 months...so and so's hedgefund Daddy buys his Daughter the property and she turns it into a cake shop.

    Soon all of the businesses, from corporate to middle range, are own and controlled by the elite.

    It's massive disenfranchisement of the last few american business owners.

    Replies: @Kyle

    “History is filled with the sound of silken slippers going downstairs and wooden shoes coming up”

    Voltaire.

  170. @Servant of Gla'aki
    @AnotherDad


    Trump was fun … but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.
     
    I agree, and it would certainly be better if Trump would just step aside for 2024, and enthusiastically get behind Tucker Carslon/Ted Cruz/Josh Hawley/whomever, for that year's election.

    But if he wants to run again (and he probably does), we may have to just let him have the nomination. No GOP nominee who somehow managed to barely defeat Trump in the 2024 primaries, would ever be able to win the general election. That'd be handing Biden a 2nd term.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez

    …it would certainly be better if Trump would just step aside for 2024, and enthusiastically get behind Tucker Carslon/Ted Cruz/Josh Hawley/whomever, for that year’s election

    .

    Don’t be naive. 2016 was the last ever presidential election. There will never be another one.

    (As a history buff, I take solice in that while I may have missed witnessing the birth of the USA, at least I was around to see its death.)

  171. @Prester John
    Jackson may have been a "self-made man"-a concept which has evolved into something like a badge of honor in American folklore even to this day--but that description does not really apply to Trump who, as is well known, inherited his father's real estate business.

    Replies: @James Braxton, @Alden

    Jackson’s Family was landed gentry. Parents died young and he inherited a very prosperous farm. He sold it and lit out for the Indian territory of Tennessee.

    • Replies: @John Up North
    @Alden

    Jackson was a real tough guy. He spent time as a child POW in a British internment camp in the South during The American Revolution. Jackson maintained that the scar he had on his face was the result of a blow from the hilt of a British officer when Jackson refused to clean the officer's boots.

    The Southern Colonies saw the most vicious fighting of the war. The British Army, Patriots, Loyalist, Indians and even some black slaves all joined in on the violence.

    Replies: @Alden

  172. Apropos of absolutely nothing at all, this Executive Order is still in effect. We’ll see on Dec. 18 if anything of significance is reported.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

  173. @Soviet of Washington
    @Mr. Anon

    Exactly.

    The 'Soviet' isn't on anybody's list of battleground states. Yet after adding 2020 data to my existing spreadsheet, I found it surprising that the average county went about 4.5% more Democrat over 2016. Now if that had been limited to the counties of Pugetopolis, I would have shrugged and thought little of it. However King county (Seattle and Redmond) had the 2nd lowest partisan change, and the change was most pronounced in the heavily Republican counties of the Eastern Soviet. Huh?

    Digging deeper, the vote totals appeared really high, even accounting for the change due to state population growth. Didn't have any hot ticket ballot initiatives or other races that would have caused ultrahigh turnout either.

    Did a regression chart comparing Total Presidential Vote vs. Population back to 1960. All other elections were within 2 deviations the regression line (wc: 1996 -2.06). But 2020 was +6.3 deviations!! And pretty uniform across all counties in the state, except one (Lincoln).

    WA Population Chg (from 2016 [est]): +432K
    Chg in WA counted presidential ballots (from 2016): +724K

    Don't have numbers for registered voters, but past data says about 50% of population change. Taking that ratio, then bumping up turnout to the historic high of 2008 (the year of Obama) still only gets you to 500K vote change. So I'd estimate 225-400K votes in WA state (5-10%) are suspect.

    FWIW, the GOP gubernatorial candidate is now suing claiming the (rino GOP) SoS didn't force cleaning of the voter rolls, certification of machines, etc. I think it's deeper than that.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Or maybe there was big turnout last month, what with the election being in the newspapers and everything?

    • Agree: Servant of Gla'aki
    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Steve Sailer


    Or maybe there was big turnout last month, what with the election being in the newspapers and everything?
     
    Right. Or....

    Hordes of predatory Blacks in Wayne and Fulton counties, and in Philadelphia Milwaukee and Pittsburgh, thought "Gee, Trump is a big old misogynist meanie, plus is responsible for killing George Floyd" and so went out of their way to ask for a mail in ballot, while keeping to the principle of "1 person 1 vote" -- even though they generally had a 8th grade or less level of reading skill and struggled with all that down ballot shit, like other offices and local referenda.

    And then back to, you know, the gang bangin' and dope slangin' comfortable in the fact that the horrible age of Trump was over.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  174. @Flip
    @AnotherDad


    Immigration is just other people–and other peoples!–taking the space that belongs to your kids.
     
    I have to think that President Harris is going to be fine with opening the floodgates even more to people from India who will drive down wages in the tech sector. That's what the tech oligarchs want.

    Replies: @Alden

    Good. Whites built Silicon Valley then were fired and replaced by Chinese and Indians starting 40 years ago . Why should Whites care if the Indians and Asians are paid low wages?

  175. I still am amazed at the stupidity brought out so glaringly this year of Minnesotans especially Minneapolis people. I wonder if that old movie – I think called The Immigrants(?), could shed some light on this because as I recall dimly there were some awfully quirky behaviors of those Swedish(?) immigrants.

  176. @Anon7
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Here's the full URL:

    https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_[121320]_v2_[redacted].pdf

    Some key takeaways:

    "all server security logs prior to 11:03 pm on November 4, 2020 are
    missing. This means that all security logs for the day after the election, on
    election day, and prior to election day are gone.
    Security logs are very important
    to an audit trail, forensics, and for detecting advanced persistent threats and
    outside attacks, especially on systems with outdated system files. These logs
    would contain domain controls, authentication failures, error codes, times users
    logged on and off, network connections to file servers between file accesses,
    internet connections, times, and data transfers. Other server logs before
    November 4, 2020 are present; therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for
    the security logs to be missing. "

    "The Election Event Designer Log shows that Dominion ImageCast Precinct
    Cards were programmed with new ballot programming on 10/23/2020 and then
    again after the election on 11/05/2020. These system changes affect how ballots
    are read and tabulated, and our examination demonstrated a significant change
    in voter results using the two different programs. In accordance with the Help
    America Vote Act, this violates the 90-day Safe Harbor Period which prohibits
    changes to election systems, registries, hardware/software updates without
    undergoing re-certification.
    According to the National Conference of State
    Legislatures – Michigan requires full compliance with federal standards as
    determined by a federally accredited voting system laboratory.

    "The only reason to change software after the election would be to obfuscate
    evidence of fraud and/or to correct program errors that would de-certify the
    election.
    Our findings show that the Central Lake Township tabulator tape totals
    were significantly altered by utilizing two different program versions (10/23/2020
    and 11/05/2020), both of which were software changes during an election which
    violates election law, and not just human error associated with the Dominion
    Election Management System. This is clear evidence of software generated
    movement of votes."

    "Because the intentional high error rate generates large numbers of ballots to be
    adjudicated by election personnel, we must deduce that bulk adjudication
    occurred. However, because files and adjudication logs are missing, we have not
    yet determined where the bulk adjudication occurred or who was responsible for
    it.

    "However, based on the preliminary results, we conclude that the errors are so significant that they call into question the integrity and legitimacy of the results in the Antrim County 2020 election to the point that the results are not certifiable. Because the same machines and software are used in 48 other counties in Michigan, this casts doubt on the integrity of the entire election in the state of Michigan."

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Thanks for that.

    The Detroit Free Press has come out with a “contra” discussion of the Antrim County claims by Allied Security Operations Group

    https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/14/michigan-company-officials-dispute-report-antrim-county-voting/6538325002/

    The usual “harump harumpf” stuff from the other side but no statement disputing the disappearance of the security logs.

    Allied is clearly a Republican outfit, so the opposition does trot out the ad hominems. And Dominion said their systems “have passed rigorous state and federal testing and certification protocols to prove they are accurate and reliable.”

    Oh, now I feel better. Yessiree.

    Unless Trump invokes the Insurrection Act, it’s all over but the shouting.

    But the fact is this: if this sort of stuff was done by the Trump side — bizarre mail in ballot rules, ballot dumps in the dead of night in key stronghold counties with no one watching, numerical results that strain credulity — the drive-by media and Democrat party would be in a dudgeon beyond imagining.

  177. @Whiskey
    Trump won both states. Dems just manufactured votes. However blm and defund the police are hits with White women. Who never met a black thug they didn't get tingles for.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    You live in Orange county Ca. About 2 percent black. There’s no way you have any personal knowledge or observations about White women and black men. Your endless posts about White women and black men come from the endless hours you spend watching White women black man porn.
    Please confide your sexual problems to your psychiatrist.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Alden

    A neighbor seven doors down is a White woman married to a Black dude. I have various people at the workplace that fit that description and have advanced degrees. And of course there is Gillian Tett, not married but with two mixed-race daughters. You don't get more bigshot than the Editorial Director of the FT.

    That's the thing about WN. Biggest White Knight losers in the world. OC is hardly 2% black anyway. Not from all the dudes I see hanging around including the black homeless guy with his pants off giving himself a ... helping hand at the local gas station in Irvine. In a relatively nice area.

    I can count SEVEN BLM signs that Nice White ladies in my neighborhood put up. And fifteen Biden signs against only two (vandalized and removed) Trump signs. That's just in my immediate neighborhood where I walk. One BLM sign is HUGE. Noticing.

    White women never gave one fart for Reginald Denny. Despite his beat down being live on TV at the time. Or Cannon Hinant. Or the Marinos. Or that blonde lady shot down on TV. But oh boy, they went nuts over some three time loser violent thug and another accused of statutory rape and domestic rape. Yeah, I think I'm good here.

    OC went for Hillary big time, and Biden even more. Its not even majority White any more. I never see a White face North of Newport Beach on the Coast (HB northwards is all Latino/Asian) and inland the White area starts around Laguna Niguel and inland to El Toro Road. Irvine is pretty much a colony now of China and India.

    Hell Farah M. Khan (I kid no one on this) is the MAYOR of Irvine. No surprise, its Persia / Saudi central.

    Anyone local knows this.

    Replies: @curtis dunkel

  178. How do the heavily Nordic Dakotas and German Texans figure into this?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jacques Strappe

    How do the heavily Nordic Dakotas and German Texans figure into this?

    Germanic Texans are a minority, and have been for years. There's a lot of mixing in Texas history.

    Of greater significance is the fact that the state of Texas made ballot harvesting illegal and has even convicted people for that crime, plus the non-trivial fact that Texas totally rejected Dominion voting machines.

    It's almost as though they actually were set up to run a clean election, while nice Minnesota was not. Go figure!

    Why hasn't anyone interviewed former senator Al Franken about election fraud, I wonder? Seems like he would be able to open up the great car trunk of information and shed some light on the subject.

  179. @Steve Sailer
    @Soviet of Washington

    Or maybe there was big turnout last month, what with the election being in the newspapers and everything?

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Or maybe there was big turnout last month, what with the election being in the newspapers and everything?

    Right. Or….

    Hordes of predatory Blacks in Wayne and Fulton counties, and in Philadelphia Milwaukee and Pittsburgh, thought “Gee, Trump is a big old misogynist meanie, plus is responsible for killing George Floyd” and so went out of their way to ask for a mail in ballot, while keeping to the principle of “1 person 1 vote” — even though they generally had a 8th grade or less level of reading skill and struggled with all that down ballot shit, like other offices and local referenda.

    And then back to, you know, the gang bangin’ and dope slangin’ comfortable in the fact that the horrible age of Trump was over.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Except Trump did a little better relative to Biden than he did relative to Hillary in big urban swing state counties. Instead, he got killed, relative to 2016, in more honest suburban counties.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @Whiskey, @Desiderius, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

  180. @Ryan Andrews
    @JohnnyWalker123

    We may have to rethink this notion of Anglos as uniquely jealous for their liberty may have to be rethought post-covid. Despite all the Left's nonsense about 'freedum-loving American covidiots,' the US, and the rest of the Anglosphere, actually stand-out for their willingness to accept the restrictions lying-down. Has there been a single anti-lockdown/anti-mask rally in the US that drew more than a couple hundred people. Continental Europeans, including the Germans, have been far more aggressive in their push-back. Surely part of this owes to them having more of a rowdy street-protest culture in general, but perhaps that itself says something. It seems like the UK population is resisting it a bit more than the new world Anglos are, and they appear much more lax about masks than us, but overall the image of liberty-loving Anglo has taken a big hit.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Restrictions are more intense in Europe. I read that in some French cities you couldn’t jog more than a few kilometers from your house for awhile. Also, the U.S states containing more rowdy types have not been subject to hard lockdowns. I can still take a plane or drive wherever I want. I don’t wear a mask exercising. I can go to a bar or a restaurant if I wear the mask through the door, but then I take it off once I sit down. The only thing I can’t do is gather with 20 people in public, which I never did to begin with.

    It’s really not that bad in the more conservative half of the U.S. In some states there are even fewer restrictions than here, and you don’t have to wear masks in stores.

    I think part of the mask worship in places like Massachusetts is simply to feel superior to the rabble.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @S. Anonyia

    No. There is no mask worship. Everybody will take them off as soon as it moves to "recommended" rather than required. The stores themselves are enforcing this, because they feel they have no choice. I wear a mask in all stores simply because I don't want to start a fuss. Everybody else is doing the same thing.

    Also, we all feel stupid in these things, and we beautiful/handsome/smiling all the time types can't show our important faces. Trust me, people worship their own images heavily.

  181. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Steve Sailer


    Or maybe there was big turnout last month, what with the election being in the newspapers and everything?
     
    Right. Or....

    Hordes of predatory Blacks in Wayne and Fulton counties, and in Philadelphia Milwaukee and Pittsburgh, thought "Gee, Trump is a big old misogynist meanie, plus is responsible for killing George Floyd" and so went out of their way to ask for a mail in ballot, while keeping to the principle of "1 person 1 vote" -- even though they generally had a 8th grade or less level of reading skill and struggled with all that down ballot shit, like other offices and local referenda.

    And then back to, you know, the gang bangin' and dope slangin' comfortable in the fact that the horrible age of Trump was over.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Except Trump did a little better relative to Biden than he did relative to Hillary in big urban swing state counties. Instead, he got killed, relative to 2016, in more honest suburban counties.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Steve Sailer

    that’s like your sarcastic comment on the GOP and immigration making up their upside down percentages “on volume.”

    Trump did better percentage wise by peeling off a few male black percentage points. But when you are upside down overall by an 85-15 margin any extra turnout is still negative votes. Trump lost on the city wide ballot harvesting (and likely other fraud) schemes that turned out tens or hundreds of thousands of city ballots that otherwise wouldn’t shown up for a dud like Biden.

    , @Whiskey
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh really Steve? So counting is suspended in all five swing states AT THE SAME TIME. And then mysteriously, votes POUR IN and they are ALL FOR BIDEN. Giving him the lead? And Trump loses ALL the states he's leading in, including PA where Biden came out to ban fracking and that's the only jobs there are in that state?

    To believe in this nonsense is to believe in Big Foot, Mothman, the Loch Ness Monster, UFOs, Chupacabra, and the Wisconsin Dog Man. Its not even remotely credible.

    What's more likely, that people have been seeing ... bears with mange and misidentifying them as Big Foot for a long time, or somehow mysteriously the creatures exist but no cell phone pics, no bodies, no clear images, nothing? Just plaster casts and I'm supposed to believe that shiite? Muslim please.

    By the same token, what's more realistic? That Biden's people just up and fabricated votes, with help from their Chinese buddies at Dominion Voting Systems, or that a dude who couldn't pull five people at his PA rallies while Trump had 50,000 somehow had tons of people enthusiastically voting for old Mumbly Joe and his gropin ways? Muslim please. That's like saying there was no evidence to charge Hunter Biden (we all know Joe Average would be still doing hard time) or Hillary for her emails or a thousand other things like pedophilia that dudes like Bill Clinton and Bill Gates skate on every day.

    Epstein did not kill himself.

    Replies: @James Braxton, @Desiderius

    , @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    That would have shown up in the primaries.

    Antrim and Maricopa suggest a more plausible explanation.

    , @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Steve Sailer

    Steve, bubka, I love you like a brother, I really do, but let's look at the numbers for Fulton County Georgia, specifically. Because Fulton County is where the Trump campaign died in Georgia, or, rather, was killed.

    Let's look at 2016 versus 2020.

    In 2016, the population of Fulton county was 1.02 million. In 2016, it was 1.072 million, an increase of 5.1%. Let's consider this a proxy for an increase in "active" voter participation.

    In 2016, Trump got 117, 183 votes in Fulton Co. Hilary got 271,000, a 30/70% split. Oh well, they're mostly wearing the Blue jersey, so no surprise.

    Fast forward, 2020. In 2020, Trump gets 137,241 votes, a 17% increase over his 2016 performance,and a 3X factor over the 5% population increase.

    Wow, quite the performance, yes?

    But wait!!! Biden received 381,144 votes, in Fulton County, a 37% INCREASE over 2016, and a 7X factor over population increase.

    As that great Stanford student John McEnroe said, You have GOT to be kidding!!

    And finally, to put it into perspective, Joe Biden, even after the oh-so-thorough audit (where, alas, Biden actually LOST votes), the dementia ridden hair sniffer won the state of Georgia by a mere 12,000 votes.

    I am so so sorry.....these numbers strain credulity, like the grimace of an Olympic power lifter trying to break the world snatch record.

    The phrase "beyond plausible" is an understatement.

  182. @John Johnson
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Irony: women’s dating preferences are geared toward the rebel, the bad boy, the alpha male. In short, women tend to want to date assholes.

    It isn't that simple. What has happened is that White men have been told by both liberals and Christians to kneel to women when excess attention and submission can turn them off. The a-hole just ends up looking more confident by comparison.

    As Trump has been perceived to have these qualities in spades you’d think this would’ve helped him win the white woman vote.

    Women are not balls of hormones that only pick men based on who they want to sleep with.

    Trump would have gotten far more women if he moved to the center on health care. Following DC Republicans in their desire to kill the ACA was a huge mistake. Trump was polling weak on health care early on and for good reason. He didn't have a replacement plan and the ACA has wide support. DC Republicans are lousy strategists and Trump followed them off a cliff.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “It isn’t that simple. ”

    Yeah, it pretty much is the world over. And for thousands of yrs too at that.

    “The a-hole just ends up looking more confident by comparison.”

    Hence the reason they want to date the rebel, the asshole. Confidence is perceived to be found in the one who gives them the least amount of attention. Which is why its pretty simple. Give them less attention, try not to simp, and perhaps a higher quality woman will come the man’s way in the dating market.

    “Trump would have gotten far more women if he moved to the center on health care. Following DC Republicans in their desire to kill the ACA was a huge mistake. Trump was polling weak on health care early on and for good reason. He didn’t have a replacement plan and the ACA has wide support. DC Republicans are lousy strategists and Trump followed them off a cliff.”

    Translation: Trump should’ve run on what got him elected in the first place in ’16: Nationalism, or America First, Populism, Immigration, bringing industrial jobs back, those sorts of policies that the Rust Belt states widely support. The GOP has been fairly consistent for over half a century regarding the policies that they support. Thing is that most of those policies, most of the US voters are against (in varying degrees). It also didn’t help him that COVID happened during 2020 and he decided to play off like it was no big deal.

    In short, if Trump had behaved more like the a’hole he was perceived to be in 2016, he’d be preparing now for his inauguration speech to start his 2nd term.

    Perhaps men who are assholes, rebels, bad boys really do get more than just women; they get support from men as well as their respect.

  183. @Charon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Trump may have had some of that appeal, but it was completely overshadowed by his complete stupidity, his tin ear for political considerations, and his depiction in the mass media (which women worship and consume disproportionately) as Literally Hitler.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    If Trump had delivered on most of what he campaigned on in ’16, the MSM wouldn’t have gained much traction. Results count with the voters, not lame excuses. Since he didn’t deliver on what he promised, it was easier to portray him as an imbecilic, incompetent moron. And when COVID struck this yr it was even easier to portray him in that light.

  184. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    In fact, he lost the state by a greater percentage than he did four years ago.
     
    Trump did better among rural Norwegians than he did in 2016, and literally would not have "lost" WI without fraudulent votes, so the only way he lost ground in Minnesota was if ballot harvesting, etc, was totally allowed in Minnesota. Guess what? It was.

    Most of you simply are not sufficiently familiar with the statistical and demographic anomalies in this election, nor with the election "laws" of Democrat states. Plus everyone on Unz keeps citing how Trump lost 3% of the white male vote, without accounting for the fact that he gained many more white males in total while mail-in voting made it easy for low-propensity Democrat voters to vote for a man who was the most unpopular Democrat candidate nationally since the 1970s.

    Sadly, I don't have enough time to lambaste the rest of this comment thread.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    But you did have enough time to lambaste in soundbite form, claiming voter fraud. It’s over. Let it go.

  185. @Redneck farmer
    Well, a fair number of Germans voted for him in my part of Ohio.
    And Kasich has been kind of embarrassing since he got reelected to his second term.

    Replies: @Another Canadian, @Jake, @Polynikes

    And Ft Wayne, Indiana has a big German heritage including a large week long German fest every summer. Allen county (where Ft Wayne sits) went for Trump twice and is probably one of the larger counties in the country to do so. Compare it with similarly sized Dane County—home of Madison, WI, and this summer’s blm/antifa riots—and you couldn’t have two polar opposites.

  186. @ThreeCranes
    OT but

    "Bill Gates says lockdowns could continue into 2022 and believes restaurants will be closed for the next six months
    Bill Gates offered his predictions during an interview with CNN on Sunday
    It came as the US set new records for new cases, hospitalizations and deaths over a seven-day period
    'Sadly the next four to six months could be the worst of the epidemic,' Gates said
    He went on to signal support for coronavirus-related business restrictions
    'Bars and restaurants in most of the country will be closed as we go into this wave, and I think sadly that's appropriate,' he said
    Gates said he thinks the US will become more 'normal' by summertime after a vaccine is rolled out
    He also expressed optimism about Joe Biden's incoming administration ." Daily Mail

    Who is this Bill Gates guy anyway? Anybody ever heard of him? His pronouncements re Covid and lockdown are taken as gospel?

    I'm telling you, the Great Reset is the transition to a computer-run America/world. From the Puget Sound Business Journal,

    "Microsoft is building a new data center on 200 acres in the Port of Quincy, Wash., which is in Grant County in Eastern Washington – a region that has the cheapest energy in the country.....

    Tech companies and other businesses, such as e-commerce companies, that use data centers have come under fire from environmental groups for their enormous use of electricity, both to run the servers and to keep them cool. The New York Times hired experts last year to determine how much electricity data centers use and found it to be about 30 billion watts worldwide, about the equivalent of the output of 30 nuclear power plants. About a third of that was used by U.S. data centers.

    But Quincy, which sits right near the Columbia River, generates energy using hydropower, a green, renewable source of energy. The new data center will be the largest of all the data centers in Quincy, three times the size of Microsoft’s other Quincy data center.

    Microsoft hasn't said what it plans to use the new data center for, but cloud services are some of its fastest-growing businesses right now, so it's likely we'll see more announcements like this in the future."

    The Biden team--those that count anyway--is already on board with this. Trump guys weren't briefed and so, had to go.

    They're handing decision making off to the Big Computer. Covid provided the cover for the awkward transition.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes, @Whiskey

    I predict that Bill Gates having made millions of enemies will find that the power to his brand new data center fails frequently and often.

    All sorts of things can cause blackouts just in the way of ordinary events. Metallic balloons, being one. They are an ongoing problem here in SoCal. And there is no way to keep all of the power lines under 24/7 armed surveillance. No complex, modern infrastructure can survive a populace with enough determined to bring it down.

    As Max Headroom said, Again. and Again. and Again. And Again. And again.

    The Deplorables IF THEY WANT TO, can do all sorts of things without street theater, burning down buildings, or physically confronting anyone.

    I figure enough will want to.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Whiskey


    All sorts of things can cause blackouts just in the way of ordinary events. Metallic balloons, being one. They are an ongoing problem here in SoCal. And there is no way to keep all of the power lines under 24/7 armed surveillance. No complex, modern infrastructure can survive a populace with enough determined to bring it down.
     
    Decades ago Israel asked the American engineering firm Sargent & Lundy to design power transmission towers that would remain standing if terrorists blew up one of the legs. In the 1991 Gulf War, US cruise missiles dropped spools of carbon fiber filament lines across Iraq power transmission lines to attempt to knock out electric power; I guess they were attempting to emulate the aluminized party balloons that would vaporize and create a conductive plasma.

    That's why I laugh when the cosmopolitans think they could hold out against Red state America when everything comes from outside.
  187. @Steve Sailer
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Except Trump did a little better relative to Biden than he did relative to Hillary in big urban swing state counties. Instead, he got killed, relative to 2016, in more honest suburban counties.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @Whiskey, @Desiderius, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    that’s like your sarcastic comment on the GOP and immigration making up their upside down percentages “on volume.”

    Trump did better percentage wise by peeling off a few male black percentage points. But when you are upside down overall by an 85-15 margin any extra turnout is still negative votes. Trump lost on the city wide ballot harvesting (and likely other fraud) schemes that turned out tens or hundreds of thousands of city ballots that otherwise wouldn’t shown up for a dud like Biden.

  188. @Art Deco
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    If my own relatives are any guide, Trump bears not a trace of a Scotch-Irish sensibility.

    Replies: @Charon, @SunBakedSuburb

    “guide”

    Hey. Still waiting on your magnum opie: Pish Posh! A Field Guide To Moronic Conspiracy Theories And The Morons Who Spread Such Rubbish with a forward by Bill O’Reilly. Will it still be published by Michael Shermer’s Skeptical imprint? Shermer tried to get Twitter to eliminate my threads on the cabal of sinister rabbis who created the Thule Society in 1920s Vienna. Shermer’s a Babylonian agent. By the time your tome lumbers into Tower Books my Barbara Bush Daughter of Aleister Crowley and Hitler’s Rothschild Blood theories will be in circulation and undebunkable. Still waiting on the pix of your den. Wait until spring and send them to my snow cone stand in Shasta County. I’m opening up regardless of Governor Yorga’s edicts. And yes, I will return to my trail-guide position on Mt. Shasta. I always meet the most interesting fat and juicy Eastcoasters and other foreigners whilst on the job. Sometimes they disappear. It’s a mysterious mountain.

  189. anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jacques Strappe
    How do the heavily Nordic Dakotas and German Texans figure into this?

    Replies: @anon

    How do the heavily Nordic Dakotas and German Texans figure into this?

    Germanic Texans are a minority, and have been for years. There’s a lot of mixing in Texas history.

    Of greater significance is the fact that the state of Texas made ballot harvesting illegal and has even convicted people for that crime, plus the non-trivial fact that Texas totally rejected Dominion voting machines.

    It’s almost as though they actually were set up to run a clean election, while nice Minnesota was not. Go figure!

    Why hasn’t anyone interviewed former senator Al Franken about election fraud, I wonder? Seems like he would be able to open up the great car trunk of information and shed some light on the subject.

  190. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    BLM is an open fraud.
     
    BLM got a lot of people in the ghetto new flat screens but overall it backfired. Trump had his own issues but in the down ballot races "defund the police" was a big loser for Dems. Right now, Biden is telling his supporters, "ixnay on the efunday the olicepay stuff" until the Georgia senate elections are over because it polls so poorly among the general public.

    Of course even the "moderate" wing of the Dem party is pretty far left but Biden hasn't given a lot of plum jobs to "progressives" (hard Leftists) so far. Maybe things will be different under a Harris Administration but so far Old Joe is alive and kicking. People here didn't think he's make it to the debates or the election or the inauguration and just kind of assume he isn't going to stick around based upon the same nothing but it would not shock me at all if he made it all the way to January 2025 and even beyond. 8 years from now he will still be younger than Feinstein is today.

    Replies: @Jack Armstrong, @Prof. Woland

    BLM is a proxy of the (((leftist elites))) that is used as the shock troops against whites. Their job will be to pitch a fit and badger non-blacks to make sure that none of the scared white liberals think about stepping out of line.

    Joe Biden will be the last white President the Democrats ever have. Once he has exited the field, the left will become a scrum where the darkest, most extreme actors will fight for control. The elites will still have a chance to maintain marginal control but only through an every more extreme system of rewards and punishment’s. But to do that they have had to invert the triangle and put the bottom on top.

  191. Since the election was won by massive fraud, ethnic theorizing is irrelevant.

    • Agree: James Braxton
  192. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    Trump was fun … but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    He tried the legal route on most issues discussed here only to be stopped by the system. Everyone from Sessions to Barr eventually sold out. Those who didn’t were stopped by the judiciary, including many of his own appointees siding against him for fear of losing the republic.

    Some of you really overestimate the intelligence of these politicians if you think they’re that much smarter than Trump. He was after all the first to pick up on immigration as a populist issue and run to the right successfully on it—to much cheering from the intelligentsia on this blog. Maybe only Obama’s to the left and then back to the center in 08 is as impressive in the last several decades. And that was only after the financial crash and GOP insistence on unpopular wars basically gift wrapped the center for Obama.

    Trump was an old school populist who loved himself more than anyone, but somehow still believed in the system and American institutions. Much to his detriment.

    That’s the good news. The bad is that the “next Trump” won’t make that mistake. The next one will be in the Sulla/Julius Ceasar mold. I give it two decades. Three tops.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Polynikes

    The bad is that the “next Trump” won’t make that mistake. The next one will be in the Sulla/Julius Ceasar mold

    Old CivNat Boomers will hate that guy. A lot of other people will welcome him with open arms.

  193. @Alden
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Trump’s father was the child of 2 German immigrants. Trump’s mother was not Scots Irish . She came straight from a small N. Scottish Island to NYC.

    Replies: @John Up North

    I believe Trump’s mother came from the Scots Gaelic speaking Isle of Lewis located in the Outer Hebrides.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @John Up North

    Yes She did come from Lewis.

  194. This is the basic division that never mattered before 2016: between the Anglo-Saxon Midwest exemplified by Indiana and the Germanic one represented by Minnesota. Here on the left you can see the average British and Irish scores for 23andMe customers; note the Minnesota dead zone:

    It’s a Stout versus Kraut divide in American politics.

    It is a line that runs through the blood of our Champion Donald himself.

    In 2016, the Celtic brawler prevailed, becoming ever more pugnacious as the odds seemed to lengthen – but in 2020, perhaps a sober Teuton’s calm approach to the Chinavirus was needed . . .

  195. Anon[251] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: It’s beginning to look like that the Republican conspirators in the swing states who are backing Biden, including that Supreme Court traitor Roberts, are doing so for a very particular reason. Since they know Biden’s a one-termer, they have teamed up to get Trump out of office so they can clear the way in 2024 for . . .

    Are you ready?

    JEB!!!

    Yes, it’s the pro-Bush segment of the Republicans that’s the engine behind the never-Trumpers. They’re still hoping to shoehorn Jeb into the highest office in the land. Roberts was appointed by Bush, remember.

  196. @Alden
    @Whiskey

    You live in Orange county Ca. About 2 percent black. There’s no way you have any personal knowledge or observations about White women and black men. Your endless posts about White women and black men come from the endless hours you spend watching White women black man porn.
    Please confide your sexual problems to your psychiatrist.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    A neighbor seven doors down is a White woman married to a Black dude. I have various people at the workplace that fit that description and have advanced degrees. And of course there is Gillian Tett, not married but with two mixed-race daughters. You don’t get more bigshot than the Editorial Director of the FT.

    That’s the thing about WN. Biggest White Knight losers in the world. OC is hardly 2% black anyway. Not from all the dudes I see hanging around including the black homeless guy with his pants off giving himself a … helping hand at the local gas station in Irvine. In a relatively nice area.

    I can count SEVEN BLM signs that Nice White ladies in my neighborhood put up. And fifteen Biden signs against only two (vandalized and removed) Trump signs. That’s just in my immediate neighborhood where I walk. One BLM sign is HUGE. Noticing.

    White women never gave one fart for Reginald Denny. Despite his beat down being live on TV at the time. Or Cannon Hinant. Or the Marinos. Or that blonde lady shot down on TV. But oh boy, they went nuts over some three time loser violent thug and another accused of statutory rape and domestic rape. Yeah, I think I’m good here.

    OC went for Hillary big time, and Biden even more. Its not even majority White any more. I never see a White face North of Newport Beach on the Coast (HB northwards is all Latino/Asian) and inland the White area starts around Laguna Niguel and inland to El Toro Road. Irvine is pretty much a colony now of China and India.

    Hell Farah M. Khan (I kid no one on this) is the MAYOR of Irvine. No surprise, its Persia / Saudi central.

    Anyone local knows this.

    • Replies: @curtis dunkel
    @Whiskey

    Move.

  197. @anon
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    To be consistent, MI and WI would never be supporting the loud, boisterous, braggadocious likes of BLM and mourners of George Floyd. Unless, they greatly fear of being considered racists if they don’t loudly support such ilk.

    Or perhaps they greatly feared having their business and maybe even their home burned to the ground....and many still have that fear. Even if not articulated, it is real. Such fear is a form of politics, and it's foolish to ignore it as part of the Current Year.

    Of course, in a normal time people would regard such threats and intimidation as criminal, even terroristic, but this year as been anything but normal. So it was all just "peaceful protest", and it definitely scared terrorized persuaded plenty of Upper Midwest Nice people into voting against the Bad Orange Man.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Or perhaps they greatly feared having their business and maybe even their home burned to the ground….and many still have that fear.”

    Yep, they’re definitely not Sotch-Irish in WI or MI. If the non-whites/Antifa types tried or threatened this kind of stuff to the traditional populations of Appalachia, the revenge in turn and in kind would’ve made real sure that BLM/Antifa would not bother those states no more. Traditionally, Scotch-Irish understood these sorts of things: If one of theirs goes down, they smoke/take out ten of the other side. Until they win. Fight fire with hydrogen burn, and until you win.

    Its not just this election yr that caused WI, MI, and these leftist normie whites to cave. They subconsciously follow the Who, Whom. If its non-whites burning down their property, then that’s okay, because racism. If it happened to be prole whites, then and only then would they demand retribution. But nothing too vengeful, because some of the proles might be part of the LGBT community, and you don’t want to look like you’re vs that community any more than you want to appear racist.

    Nope, there’s definitely not a whole bunch of traditional Scotch-Irish in WI and MN. (It was a typo all along, forgot that its MN and not MI)

  198. @Alden
    @Prester John

    Jackson’s Family was landed gentry. Parents died young and he inherited a very prosperous farm. He sold it and lit out for the Indian territory of Tennessee.

    Replies: @John Up North

    Jackson was a real tough guy. He spent time as a child POW in a British internment camp in the South during The American Revolution. Jackson maintained that the scar he had on his face was the result of a blow from the hilt of a British officer when Jackson refused to clean the officer’s boots.

    The Southern Colonies saw the most vicious fighting of the war. The British Army, Patriots, Loyalist, Indians and even some black slaves all joined in on the violence.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @John Up North

    I know that about Jackson. You must know how many duels he was in? Didn’t he lose his inheritance gambling when he was a teen?
    A real explorer pioneer warrior general great American.

    Back when I was in 7-8 grade he was presented in the standard American history books as a populist for the common man, almost FDR William Jennings Bryan reformer.

    Now he’s just another evil racist White man.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  199. @AndrewR
    @Andrew M

    Given that Scandinavians are descended from the Vikings, among the most fearsome and vicious peoples in European history, it's strange they have become the biggest doormats.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @Anonymous

    Given that Scandinavians are descended from the Vikings, among the most fearsome and vicious peoples in European history, it’s strange they have become the biggest doormats.

    I have a friend who’s lived in Stockholm for the last 30 years, and he assures me that Swedes are just like that ie. once they make up their mind on something, they all just collectively fall into line (so during the Middle Ages, they all agreed to be a warrior people, just as today they’ve all agreed to cuck the Hell out).

    The interesting corollary of this observation, is that apparently the Swedish hive mind is capable of changing very rapidly, and then all the Swedes who were doing one thing one day, will be doing something completely different another day. He claims to have observed this in-person, over the years.

    Admittedly, it seems awfully late in the day for the Swedes to suddenly awake, realize they are being extirpated, and resume their previous Blood-Drenched Savage Mode. But one does rather hope it will still happen.

  200. @Steve Sailer
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Except Trump did a little better relative to Biden than he did relative to Hillary in big urban swing state counties. Instead, he got killed, relative to 2016, in more honest suburban counties.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @Whiskey, @Desiderius, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Oh really Steve? So counting is suspended in all five swing states AT THE SAME TIME. And then mysteriously, votes POUR IN and they are ALL FOR BIDEN. Giving him the lead? And Trump loses ALL the states he’s leading in, including PA where Biden came out to ban fracking and that’s the only jobs there are in that state?

    To believe in this nonsense is to believe in Big Foot, Mothman, the Loch Ness Monster, UFOs, Chupacabra, and the Wisconsin Dog Man. Its not even remotely credible.

    What’s more likely, that people have been seeing … bears with mange and misidentifying them as Big Foot for a long time, or somehow mysteriously the creatures exist but no cell phone pics, no bodies, no clear images, nothing? Just plaster casts and I’m supposed to believe that shiite? Muslim please.

    By the same token, what’s more realistic? That Biden’s people just up and fabricated votes, with help from their Chinese buddies at Dominion Voting Systems, or that a dude who couldn’t pull five people at his PA rallies while Trump had 50,000 somehow had tons of people enthusiastically voting for old Mumbly Joe and his gropin ways? Muslim please. That’s like saying there was no evidence to charge Hunter Biden (we all know Joe Average would be still doing hard time) or Hillary for her emails or a thousand other things like pedophilia that dudes like Bill Clinton and Bill Gates skate on every day.

    Epstein did not kill himself.

    • Replies: @James Braxton
    @Whiskey

    This election is like a body found riddled with bullets in the middle of the street.

    Just because you haven't figured out who pulled the trigger doesn't mean he died of natural causes.

    Replies: @36 ulster

    , @Desiderius
    @Whiskey

    https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1336888380940947457?s=20

  201. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi


    ...Jackson was despised by Thomas Jefferson and others of the VA landed gentry, it would appear that MI and WI would have more in common with the Anglican English/high churchman of the Southern aristocracy of the 18th and 19th centuries.
     
    This seems incorrect to me. One of Jackson's strongest supporters was the Virginia aristocrat John Randolph of Roanoke. He denounced the "corrupt bargain" that cheated Jackson out of the presidency in 1824 as an alliance of Blifil and Black George, two characters from Fielding's novel Tom Jones - Blifil, the pious hypocrite, personifying the canting John Quincy Adams, and Black George, the reprobate servant of Squire Allworthy, representing Henry Clay. This so enraged Clay that he challenged Randolph to a duel, which ended bloodlessly. It is possibly the only duel in history fought over a literary allusion.

    John Taylor of Caroline, also a Virginian, died before the 1824 election, but his book Arator, nominally a book on the management of plantations, argues the case against a national bank and the money power in terms almost identical to Jackson's.

    There seems to me to be little in common between the residents of Minnesota or Wisconsin and the gentry of the Tidewater. Were Minnesota not the unwilling host of 100,000+ Somalis, and a welfare haven for "tourists from Chicago," the state would probably have been carried easily by Trump.

    Replies: @Polynikes

    Were Minnesota not the unwilling host of 100,000+ Somalis, and a welfare haven for “tourists from Chicago,” the state would probably have been carried easily by Trump.

    We’re Minnesota not a haven for 100k Somalis plus this a hundred times over across the country, a guy like Trump would’ve never rose to power.

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @Polynikes


    We’re Minnesota not a haven for 100k Somalis plus this a hundred times over across the country, a guy like Trump would’ve never rose to power.
     
    Trump lost Minnesota in 2016. It was already too late for his message there - enough population dilution had taken place to shift the state firmly into the blue column.

    Minnesota, it should be recalled, was once a "purple" state that, though it used to elect DFL'ers like Hubert Humphrey, also elected Republican senators like Boschwitz and Durenberger, and Republican governors like Al Quie and Arne Carlson. Those days are gone.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  202. Norwegians refuse to be entertained

    Better Glaswegian than Norwegian.

  203. @Steve Sailer
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Except Trump did a little better relative to Biden than he did relative to Hillary in big urban swing state counties. Instead, he got killed, relative to 2016, in more honest suburban counties.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @Whiskey, @Desiderius, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    That would have shown up in the primaries.

    Antrim and Maricopa suggest a more plausible explanation.

  204. @Sergeant Prepper
    Trump is not boastful; it is just really hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way.

    But yes, his whole persona may as well have been designed to upset northern Europeans. In Denmark, there's a cultural trait known as "The law of Jante", which basically states "don't think you're anything special". That's not an audience likely to appreciate Trump's rhetoric.

    Replies: @Thoughts

    Jante’s Law is more about keeping you in line

    It’s more like insulting anyone who tries to do anything differently from the loser majority….like you know…someone who has morals is frowned upon. Not believing in divorce will get you Jante’s Lawed. Working through marital problems for the good of the children will get you Janted’ Lawed.

    Most of the successful businessmen, like everywhere else, are ‘characters’ and very boastful

    The most Trumpy bullshitters you will ever meet are found in Scandinavia

    I’ve met a Norwegian billionaire and he was like a cross between Trump and the Russian Mafia, complete with Russian mafia-esque goons sitting around him.

    Danes love that s** like everyone else. Danes worship sex, money and power.

  205. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    1. Re: "Garrison Keiller": stand-up comedians who've toured Northern Europe have stories about how strangely restrained the audiences are. Perhaps someone has a clip.
    2. Granting Uriah's thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else. But...
    3. ...we really can't grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    Replies: @Kronos, @G. Poulin, @Mark G., @Dube, @Dutch Boy, @Anon

    The full extent of the fraud is Zero.

  206. @Polynikes
    @AnotherDad


    Trump was fun … but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.
     
    He tried the legal route on most issues discussed here only to be stopped by the system. Everyone from Sessions to Barr eventually sold out. Those who didn’t were stopped by the judiciary, including many of his own appointees siding against him for fear of losing the republic.

    Some of you really overestimate the intelligence of these politicians if you think they’re that much smarter than Trump. He was after all the first to pick up on immigration as a populist issue and run to the right successfully on it—to much cheering from the intelligentsia on this blog. Maybe only Obama’s to the left and then back to the center in 08 is as impressive in the last several decades. And that was only after the financial crash and GOP insistence on unpopular wars basically gift wrapped the center for Obama.

    Trump was an old school populist who loved himself more than anyone, but somehow still believed in the system and American institutions. Much to his detriment.

    That’s the good news. The bad is that the “next Trump” won’t make that mistake. The next one will be in the Sulla/Julius Ceasar mold. I give it two decades. Three tops.

    Replies: @anon

    The bad is that the “next Trump” won’t make that mistake. The next one will be in the Sulla/Julius Ceasar mold

    Old CivNat Boomers will hate that guy. A lot of other people will welcome him with open arms.

  207. @Altai
    Reminds of the old joke about Finns.

    'What does a Finnish man do when he wants to get a girl's attention?'

    'He stares at her shoes instead of his.'

    Of course Finns have a very different sociological history and population genetics but Kimi Rikonen is their version of a the type of the type of man who gets tribal tattoos. (He has several on his arms)

    In day to day life Kimi is quite reserved. (Before you get some drink in him)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i1jFcPwqoo

    Nothing wrong with this BTW, would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome? Much nicer vibes and people to deal with, agreeableness is nice except when a hostile ideology uses it to destroy you.

    The question is, why does Donald Trump have a total monopoly on these issues despite them being vastly popular, including among a great many of those who would never vote for him? Why is there not a more reserved intellectual Trump?

    Why is only a man with fuck you money and an indifference to what people think of him able to sustain such a platform?

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D, @Servant of Gla'aki

    …would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome?

    Is this some kind of a sick joke?

    ROME, of course.

    • Replies: @black sea
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Visiting somewhere and living somewhere are often two very different things.

  208. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    Dominion contractor, Melissa Carone
     
    Did you see Carone's testimony? It was literally a joke. The SNL parody of Carone was less funny than Carone's actual testimony (not a high bar given that SNL is rarely funny nowadays, but nevermind). If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.

    I haven't investigated all of the things that you mention but the courts (many of them with Republican judges) have considered all of the evidence and have not accepted any of it as probative.

    It looks to me as if Dominion does most of its business in NON swing states. If a state is not a swing state, then even if the Dominion machines were changing EVERY vote to Biden, it still wouldn't make a bit of difference. If Biden wins NY by 3 million votes instead of 2 million, what difference does it make?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Johann Ricke

    Did you see Carone’s testimony? It was literally a joke. The SNL parody of Carone was less funny than Carone’s actual testimony (not a high bar given that SNL is rarely funny nowadays, but nevermind). If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.

    In 2000, Katherine Harris got the same treatment. Her tacky makeup and poor delivery (by scripted, multi-retake Hollywood standards) were proof that the entire Bush effort to stop the endless recounts was illegitimate.

  209. Why is it so hard for you people to accept that Biden got 17% more votes than St. Obama’s first term, and almost double Hillary, and more than any D in the 21st century? He’s just the Ronald Reagan of the Democrats.

    2000 Gore: 50.1m
    2004 Kerry: 59.0m
    2008 Obama: 69.5m
    2012 Obama: 65.9
    2016 Hillary: 48.5m
    2020 JoJo: 81.0m

  210. One analyst attributes this to a difference in cultural preferences between two types of seemingly similar white Protestants of working and middle class status: British vs. Germanic-Nordic.

    Calvinist vs. Lutheran might be more appropriate labels.

  211. @Alden
    @AnotherDad

    Conservatives are not pro White. As far as I can see, they’re not even against affirmative action. Or at least not thinking about forming a group to consider trying to do something about it.

    They are anti crime which in this country is anti black and Hispanic. But the anti crime measures of the 1990s have been complete overturned.

    Conservatives have lost every issue for the last 67 years beginning with school desegregation Brown vs Topeka 1953. They are total 100 percent losers in every way.

    Except for wages. Conservatives advocate low wages tax cuts for the very rich and all sorts of tax advantages for major corporations. Most Whites are wage owners, not independent business owners. So how does conservatism favor wage owners whatever the skill profession or occupation.? Conservatism is anti decent wages and most Whites are wage owners.

    As for Nationalism, America is against the 60-70 percent of the population that is White.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Conservatives have lost every issue for the last 67 years…

    Roscoe Filburn is rolling in his grave at that statement. Which probably constitutes “interstate commerce” on his part.

    … beginning with school desegregation Brown vs Topeka 1953.

    Brown was the first forced busing case. As with later cases, the plaintiffs objected to their child being bused out of the neighborhood, for social engineering reasons.

    If you want segregated schools, turn to the churches, which are and always have been segregated. Not de jure but de facto, which is what counts. And your kids can say their prayers. Together.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Repeat conservatives have lost every single cause and issue for the last 67 years.

    I can’t think of any family member whose attended public school ever. It’s just not done. Fret and fume about your own kids in public school. They’re no concern of mine.

    Conservatives lost every single cause and issue. And all your internet posting doesn’t change it. I’m more interested in important things than Protestant prayers and the King James and Schofield bibles shoved at my kids. I’ll teach them to pray myself go to church or send them to religious schools.

    Repeat repeat repeat Conservatives are losers losers losers.

    And how many kids do you have, Mr anti Griswold decision crusader???????. If it’s less than 10 kids in 20 years I think you should go to confession.

    Public school people, I just don’t know any. I have no control over public schools although we support them for other people’s children

    Conservatives are losers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Brown was not about bussing at all. Brown was about all children in Topeka Kansas attending the nearest public school to their home. Instead of the existing system of separate schools for Whites and blacks.

    Topeka school board was the respondent defendant. The plaintiff absolutely was not parents who objected to their children being bussed out of the neighborhood for social engineering reasons. The plaintiff, Esther Brown, wanted kids sent to racially integrated schools.

    The plaintiffs were not black parents and black kids who who wanted black kids to attend the school closest to their homes. Or schools in far off White neighborhoods.

    The plaintiff, Esther Brown, was neither a black student nor black parent in the Topeka school district. She was a White Jewish attorney who somehow managed to be both plaintiff and plaintiff’s attorney.

    Read the case before you write about it. And not the Wikipedia article either. Read the plaintiffs and respondents pleadings, the transcript and the judge’s findings and orders.

    You blather on and on about Brown and don’t even know who the plaintiff and respondent defendant were. Why should I or anyone else waste their time reading such total ignorance. You might start by asking Mr google the definitions of plaintiff defendant and respondent Then read the case.

    Or ask or pay an attorney or paralegal to explain it to you.


    No wonder conservatives are such losers. Can’t even read and understand a case file.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

  212. @Frank McGar
    @Altai

    Very true, they were basically colonizers after the 9 years war. I wonder how much that tension still exists - Ulster rebellion was almost 400 years ago, and a lot of the Irish landowners left, if they weren't killed. In the US we mostly get along with our British and Canadian counterparts, but there's still an underlying tension when it comes to how we go about our politics. But most of the tension in jovial in nature: "Hey, remember when we kicked your asses?" etc. Wonder how it is in Ulster between the Gaelic Irish and the Ulster Scots now.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Seamusmocnahoople

    Wonder how it is in Ulster between the Gaelic Irish and the Ulster Scots now.

    Are you kidding? It’s a freakin’ love-fest out there! I strongly encourage you to fly out to Belfast at your earliest convenience, and attempt to engage the locals in a no-holds-barred discussion of these matters. I’m sure it will go swimmingly for you.

  213. @Steve Sailer
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Except Trump did a little better relative to Biden than he did relative to Hillary in big urban swing state counties. Instead, he got killed, relative to 2016, in more honest suburban counties.

    Replies: @Polynikes, @Whiskey, @Desiderius, @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Steve, bubka, I love you like a brother, I really do, but let’s look at the numbers for Fulton County Georgia, specifically. Because Fulton County is where the Trump campaign died in Georgia, or, rather, was killed.

    Let’s look at 2016 versus 2020.

    In 2016, the population of Fulton county was 1.02 million. In 2016, it was 1.072 million, an increase of 5.1%. Let’s consider this a proxy for an increase in “active” voter participation.

    In 2016, Trump got 117, 183 votes in Fulton Co. Hilary got 271,000, a 30/70% split. Oh well, they’re mostly wearing the Blue jersey, so no surprise.

    Fast forward, 2020. In 2020, Trump gets 137,241 votes, a 17% increase over his 2016 performance,and a 3X factor over the 5% population increase.

    Wow, quite the performance, yes?

    But wait!!! Biden received 381,144 votes, in Fulton County, a 37% INCREASE over 2016, and a 7X factor over population increase.

    As that great Stanford student John McEnroe said, You have GOT to be kidding!!

    And finally, to put it into perspective, Joe Biden, even after the oh-so-thorough audit (where, alas, Biden actually LOST votes), the dementia ridden hair sniffer won the state of Georgia by a mere 12,000 votes.

    I am so so sorry…..these numbers strain credulity, like the grimace of an Olympic power lifter trying to break the world snatch record.

    The phrase “beyond plausible” is an understatement.

  214. @Art Deco
    @Ryan Andrews

    We haven’t been shown any hard evidence of fraud.

    'Fraid it's on video. Not to mention hundreds of affidavits. And while you're fussing over whether the evidence is 'hard' enough, ask yourself why you have 'observers' posted too far away to actually observe anything and resort to force and deception to get other observers out of the room.

    We haven't had a substantive audit because courts keep finding procedural excuses not to order one.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    Affidavits, videos, and $2 are worth a cup of coffee. In the US, if you can’t prove it in court, it’s of no consequence. Trump tried, and failed in court a few dozen tines.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Mike_from_SGV

    You're conflating cases and motions and you're confusing procedural and substantive decisions. No airing of the evidence in court was ever undertaken.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @James Braxton
    @Mike_from_SGV

    He hasn't been given the opportunity. He is being kept out of court on flimsy procedural grounds.

    Not one court has ruled on the merits, which would only come after extensive discovery, sworn testimony, etc. and be heard by a finder of fact, i.e. a jury.

  215. @dearieme
    @Andrew M

    When King James VI and I wanted to crack down on Borders bandits his two governments did it differently.

    His Majesty's English government had to deal with the Grahams, who were probably of Scots origin but were then living in England. HMG expelled them to Northern Ireland.

    His Majesty's Scottish government had to deal with the Armstrongs, who were probably of English origin but were then living in Scotland. HMG hanged them.

    Replies: @Ian M.

    Which was the worse punishment?

  216. Anonymous[500] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    Trump won both states. Dems just manufactured votes. However blm and defund the police are hits with White women. Who never met a black thug they didn't get tingles for.

    Replies: @Alden, @Anonymous

    What I don’t understand is that with all these confident pronouncements of fraud, why not a single one has had any success in court? Trump appointed judges, a SCOTUS that he appointed 1/3 of…none of them have seen an argument that piqued their interest? Lawyers who talk big in press conferences, but don’t put these arguments before the court, out of fear that they’ll be sanctioned given the scant evidence?

    The most logical answer is that Trump really lost the election (by a small EC margin). These things happen. If corona hadn’t hit, he would have romped home on his economic record alone. Bad luck, on to 2024.

  217. @Hypnotoad666
    @Ichabod


    For someone who loves statistical analysis and has done great work saying true but unpopular things, why have you refused to look into the fraud?
     
    Steve's avoidance of this issue has indeed been rather conspicuous. Has he even mentioned it once? I don't think so.

    No one is saying he has to endorse the claim that Trump was robbed. But there is certainly plenty there to talk about.

    As to the Minnesota election results, those might have more to do with the fact that 150+% of registered voters cast ballots in numerous MN counties.

    Replies: @Michael S, @TestAcctforUnz, @Barnard, @Jack D, @Anon, @Mike_from_SGV

    150 percent, wow that should have been a slam dunk to prove in court if it was true, but curiously and oddly, Trumps lawyers could put forward no evidence of fraud.

  218. I am not sure where to begin. Lived in Minnesota for many years and watched the natives closely.

    (My background: Irish, English, Swedish, Spanish Catholic from the Boston area).

    I’ll be honest: I found the native Minnesotans to be absolutely repellent people. They are horrible.

    Cold, frigid personalities. Like the weather. No warmth or humanity. “Fargo” was understated.

    Passive aggressive, self righteous windbags, regardless of political affiliation.

    Being around them for many years: they are fucking creeps and deserve every Somalian grifter that lands on their welfare rolls. I say: send all the blacks from
    Chicago there. Every last one of them.

    The Minnesotans deserve it. What do you do with people who won’t take their own side?

    Worthless
    Pieces of shit. Amazing that the native Swedes and Norwegians are even worse. Whites will
    Survive, but oy-vey do we have a lot of shit to carry with us.

  219. @Mike_from_SGV
    @Art Deco

    Affidavits, videos, and $2 are worth a cup of coffee. In the US, if you can't prove it in court, it's of no consequence. Trump tried, and failed in court a few dozen tines.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @James Braxton

    You’re conflating cases and motions and you’re confusing procedural and substantive decisions. No airing of the evidence in court was ever undertaken.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Art Deco

    There is plenty of evidence of cover-ups. Wall-to-wall cover-ups. (Or is it covers-up?)

  220. @Whiskey
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh really Steve? So counting is suspended in all five swing states AT THE SAME TIME. And then mysteriously, votes POUR IN and they are ALL FOR BIDEN. Giving him the lead? And Trump loses ALL the states he's leading in, including PA where Biden came out to ban fracking and that's the only jobs there are in that state?

    To believe in this nonsense is to believe in Big Foot, Mothman, the Loch Ness Monster, UFOs, Chupacabra, and the Wisconsin Dog Man. Its not even remotely credible.

    What's more likely, that people have been seeing ... bears with mange and misidentifying them as Big Foot for a long time, or somehow mysteriously the creatures exist but no cell phone pics, no bodies, no clear images, nothing? Just plaster casts and I'm supposed to believe that shiite? Muslim please.

    By the same token, what's more realistic? That Biden's people just up and fabricated votes, with help from their Chinese buddies at Dominion Voting Systems, or that a dude who couldn't pull five people at his PA rallies while Trump had 50,000 somehow had tons of people enthusiastically voting for old Mumbly Joe and his gropin ways? Muslim please. That's like saying there was no evidence to charge Hunter Biden (we all know Joe Average would be still doing hard time) or Hillary for her emails or a thousand other things like pedophilia that dudes like Bill Clinton and Bill Gates skate on every day.

    Epstein did not kill himself.

    Replies: @James Braxton, @Desiderius

    This election is like a body found riddled with bullets in the middle of the street.

    Just because you haven’t figured out who pulled the trigger doesn’t mean he died of natural causes.

    • Replies: @36 ulster
    @James Braxton

    Or died from COVID-19, for that matter.

  221. @S. Anonyia
    @Ryan Andrews

    Restrictions are more intense in Europe. I read that in some French cities you couldn’t jog more than a few kilometers from your house for awhile. Also, the U.S states containing more rowdy types have not been subject to hard lockdowns. I can still take a plane or drive wherever I want. I don’t wear a mask exercising. I can go to a bar or a restaurant if I wear the mask through the door, but then I take it off once I sit down. The only thing I can’t do is gather with 20 people in public, which I never did to begin with.

    It’s really not that bad in the more conservative half of the U.S. In some states there are even fewer restrictions than here, and you don’t have to wear masks in stores.

    I think part of the mask worship in places like Massachusetts is simply to feel superior to the rabble.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    No. There is no mask worship. Everybody will take them off as soon as it moves to “recommended” rather than required. The stores themselves are enforcing this, because they feel they have no choice. I wear a mask in all stores simply because I don’t want to start a fuss. Everybody else is doing the same thing.

    Also, we all feel stupid in these things, and we beautiful/handsome/smiling all the time types can’t show our important faces. Trust me, people worship their own images heavily.

  222. @Whiskey
    @Alden

    A neighbor seven doors down is a White woman married to a Black dude. I have various people at the workplace that fit that description and have advanced degrees. And of course there is Gillian Tett, not married but with two mixed-race daughters. You don't get more bigshot than the Editorial Director of the FT.

    That's the thing about WN. Biggest White Knight losers in the world. OC is hardly 2% black anyway. Not from all the dudes I see hanging around including the black homeless guy with his pants off giving himself a ... helping hand at the local gas station in Irvine. In a relatively nice area.

    I can count SEVEN BLM signs that Nice White ladies in my neighborhood put up. And fifteen Biden signs against only two (vandalized and removed) Trump signs. That's just in my immediate neighborhood where I walk. One BLM sign is HUGE. Noticing.

    White women never gave one fart for Reginald Denny. Despite his beat down being live on TV at the time. Or Cannon Hinant. Or the Marinos. Or that blonde lady shot down on TV. But oh boy, they went nuts over some three time loser violent thug and another accused of statutory rape and domestic rape. Yeah, I think I'm good here.

    OC went for Hillary big time, and Biden even more. Its not even majority White any more. I never see a White face North of Newport Beach on the Coast (HB northwards is all Latino/Asian) and inland the White area starts around Laguna Niguel and inland to El Toro Road. Irvine is pretty much a colony now of China and India.

    Hell Farah M. Khan (I kid no one on this) is the MAYOR of Irvine. No surprise, its Persia / Saudi central.

    Anyone local knows this.

    Replies: @curtis dunkel

    Move.

  223. @Mike_from_SGV
    @Art Deco

    Affidavits, videos, and $2 are worth a cup of coffee. In the US, if you can't prove it in court, it's of no consequence. Trump tried, and failed in court a few dozen tines.

    Replies: @Art Deco, @James Braxton

    He hasn’t been given the opportunity. He is being kept out of court on flimsy procedural grounds.

    Not one court has ruled on the merits, which would only come after extensive discovery, sworn testimony, etc. and be heard by a finder of fact, i.e. a jury.

  224. @Whiskey
    @ThreeCranes

    I predict that Bill Gates having made millions of enemies will find that the power to his brand new data center fails frequently and often.

    All sorts of things can cause blackouts just in the way of ordinary events. Metallic balloons, being one. They are an ongoing problem here in SoCal. And there is no way to keep all of the power lines under 24/7 armed surveillance. No complex, modern infrastructure can survive a populace with enough determined to bring it down.

    As Max Headroom said, Again. and Again. and Again. And Again. And again.

    The Deplorables IF THEY WANT TO, can do all sorts of things without street theater, burning down buildings, or physically confronting anyone.

    I figure enough will want to.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    All sorts of things can cause blackouts just in the way of ordinary events. Metallic balloons, being one. They are an ongoing problem here in SoCal. And there is no way to keep all of the power lines under 24/7 armed surveillance. No complex, modern infrastructure can survive a populace with enough determined to bring it down.

    Decades ago Israel asked the American engineering firm Sargent & Lundy to design power transmission towers that would remain standing if terrorists blew up one of the legs. In the 1991 Gulf War, US cruise missiles dropped spools of carbon fiber filament lines across Iraq power transmission lines to attempt to knock out electric power; I guess they were attempting to emulate the aluminized party balloons that would vaporize and create a conductive plasma.

    That’s why I laugh when the cosmopolitans think they could hold out against Red state America when everything comes from outside.

  225. @Dumbo
    @Jack D

    Personally I would prefer Rome, even if just for the weather, the sights and the food. Traffic and daily life stuff are probably better in Helsinki...

    (I've never been to Helsinki, but I was not impressed with Rejkjavik - is it similar? I hope not.)

    Replies: @black sea

    Nobody carries on about the architecture of Helsinki, the wonderful cuisine (the food there is boring and expensive), the rich cultural history, or the amusing street witticisms of the natives.

    However, it is clean, orderly, safe, and filled with competent people. In other words, it’s a good place for raising kids and establishing a comfortable if unexceptional life. Unfortunately, the women there only have 1.5 kids on average, so I guess this can’t last a whole lot longer.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  226. @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Altai


    ...would you rather live in Helsinki or Rome?
     
    Is this some kind of a sick joke?

    ROME, of course.

    Replies: @black sea

    Visiting somewhere and living somewhere are often two very different things.

  227. @Whiskey
    @Steve Sailer

    Oh really Steve? So counting is suspended in all five swing states AT THE SAME TIME. And then mysteriously, votes POUR IN and they are ALL FOR BIDEN. Giving him the lead? And Trump loses ALL the states he's leading in, including PA where Biden came out to ban fracking and that's the only jobs there are in that state?

    To believe in this nonsense is to believe in Big Foot, Mothman, the Loch Ness Monster, UFOs, Chupacabra, and the Wisconsin Dog Man. Its not even remotely credible.

    What's more likely, that people have been seeing ... bears with mange and misidentifying them as Big Foot for a long time, or somehow mysteriously the creatures exist but no cell phone pics, no bodies, no clear images, nothing? Just plaster casts and I'm supposed to believe that shiite? Muslim please.

    By the same token, what's more realistic? That Biden's people just up and fabricated votes, with help from their Chinese buddies at Dominion Voting Systems, or that a dude who couldn't pull five people at his PA rallies while Trump had 50,000 somehow had tons of people enthusiastically voting for old Mumbly Joe and his gropin ways? Muslim please. That's like saying there was no evidence to charge Hunter Biden (we all know Joe Average would be still doing hard time) or Hillary for her emails or a thousand other things like pedophilia that dudes like Bill Clinton and Bill Gates skate on every day.

    Epstein did not kill himself.

    Replies: @James Braxton, @Desiderius

  228. @John Up North
    @Alden

    I believe Trump's mother came from the Scots Gaelic speaking Isle of Lewis located in the Outer Hebrides.

    Replies: @Alden

    Yes She did come from Lewis.

  229. Yep. My 100% Nordic upper-Midwest mother can’t stand Trump-and it’s not really any of his positions or substantive actions, it’s how rude, abrasive, and colorful he can be. The antithesis of Minnesota Nice. Personal style is shorthand for, “I’m similar to you in culture and values and therefore a trustworthy representative” or “I’m dissimilar to you and possibly strange and untrustworthy.” Some voters will look beyond a personal style they don’t like, weighing policy positions and accomplishments, but some won’t.

    The current tendency to see whites only as a foil for more interesting people of color no doubt obscures white ethnic differences even more than the binary white/black divide and the theory of the American melting pot did. I once had a roommate who joked that where she came from, a mixed marriage was an Irish Catholic marrying a German Catholic. Previous generations understood that different ethnic groups had different cultures, some more compatible than others. That understanding seems to have been largely lost, though the cultural differences themselves aren’t quite gone.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Charlotte

    The best primer in white inter-ethnic rivalry at the level we're talking here is this movie:

    https://youtu.be/ezIfnPmlUsc

    Fascinating "what if" is Harvard continuing and building on their embrace of white ethnics you see here instead of losing their nerve and turning to Affirmative Action to crowd them back out. Wonder how much this game contributed to that.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Charlotte

    What does she think of Hunter Biden?

  230. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Conservatives have lost every issue for the last 67 years...

     

    Roscoe Filburn is rolling in his grave at that statement. Which probably constitutes "interstate commerce" on his part.

    ... beginning with school desegregation Brown vs Topeka 1953.
     
    Brown was the first forced busing case. As with later cases, the plaintiffs objected to their child being bused out of the neighborhood, for social engineering reasons.

    If you want segregated schools, turn to the churches, which are and always have been segregated. Not de jure but de facto, which is what counts. And your kids can say their prayers. Together.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

    Repeat conservatives have lost every single cause and issue for the last 67 years.

    I can’t think of any family member whose attended public school ever. It’s just not done. Fret and fume about your own kids in public school. They’re no concern of mine.

    Conservatives lost every single cause and issue. And all your internet posting doesn’t change it. I’m more interested in important things than Protestant prayers and the King James and Schofield bibles shoved at my kids. I’ll teach them to pray myself go to church or send them to religious schools.

    Repeat repeat repeat Conservatives are losers losers losers.

    And how many kids do you have, Mr anti Griswold decision crusader???????. If it’s less than 10 kids in 20 years I think you should go to confession.

    Public school people, I just don’t know any. I have no control over public schools although we support them for other people’s children

    Conservatives are losers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Mr anti Griswold decision crusader???????.
     
    Are you implying the Jews of 1965 were right, and the Protestants of 1879 wrong? Griswold-- and Abingdon and Murray before it and Epperson and Roe after-- were decried by conservatives of the time.

    Wickard v Filburn was a disaster for what little was left of conservative America. FDR's packed Supreme Court upheld in 1942 a horrible 1938 policy which led to massive electoral resistance in the 1938 and 1940 elections. Nearly a thousand rural counties turned on the President.

    The very fact that he was President shows that conservatives had been losing for decades before Brown.

    Truman should have been tried for war crimes while the Republicans had the chance. Another conservative surrender. That, and those damned Puerto Ricans missed.

    Replies: @Alden

  231. @John Up North
    @Alden

    Jackson was a real tough guy. He spent time as a child POW in a British internment camp in the South during The American Revolution. Jackson maintained that the scar he had on his face was the result of a blow from the hilt of a British officer when Jackson refused to clean the officer's boots.

    The Southern Colonies saw the most vicious fighting of the war. The British Army, Patriots, Loyalist, Indians and even some black slaves all joined in on the violence.

    Replies: @Alden

    I know that about Jackson. You must know how many duels he was in? Didn’t he lose his inheritance gambling when he was a teen?
    A real explorer pioneer warrior general great American.

    Back when I was in 7-8 grade he was presented in the standard American history books as a populist for the common man, almost FDR William Jennings Bryan reformer.

    Now he’s just another evil racist White man.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Back when I was in 7-8 grade he was presented in the standard American history books as a populist for the common man, almost FDR William Jennings Bryan reformer.
     
    He kicked the Choctaw and Chickasaw out of Mississippi and replaced them with Negroes. How did that help the common man? (At least Mississippians named counties after their former residents.) As for Bryan, nobody here stands up for him in the Scopes show trial. Where are the reformers now?

    Replies: @Alden

  232. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Repeat conservatives have lost every single cause and issue for the last 67 years.

    I can’t think of any family member whose attended public school ever. It’s just not done. Fret and fume about your own kids in public school. They’re no concern of mine.

    Conservatives lost every single cause and issue. And all your internet posting doesn’t change it. I’m more interested in important things than Protestant prayers and the King James and Schofield bibles shoved at my kids. I’ll teach them to pray myself go to church or send them to religious schools.

    Repeat repeat repeat Conservatives are losers losers losers.

    And how many kids do you have, Mr anti Griswold decision crusader???????. If it’s less than 10 kids in 20 years I think you should go to confession.

    Public school people, I just don’t know any. I have no control over public schools although we support them for other people’s children

    Conservatives are losers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Mr anti Griswold decision crusader???????.

    Are you implying the Jews of 1965 were right, and the Protestants of 1879 wrong? Griswold— and Abingdon and Murray before it and Epperson and Roe after– were decried by conservatives of the time.

    Wickard v Filburn was a disaster for what little was left of conservative America. FDR’s packed Supreme Court upheld in 1942 a horrible 1938 policy which led to massive electoral resistance in the 1938 and 1940 elections. Nearly a thousand rural counties turned on the President.

    The very fact that he was President shows that conservatives had been losing for decades before Brown.

    Truman should have been tried for war crimes while the Republicans had the chance. Another conservative surrender. That, and those damned Puerto Ricans missed.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    So you think japan was not our enemy in WW2? Then who did we fight with all over the pacific for 4 years?

    Conservatives are losers, especially when they obsess about the Griswold case. FDR vs Hoover was almost 100 years ago. It’s 2020, not 1879. Historical note. It was legal to sell condoms in Connecticut for 340 years before 1879. Griswold decision just brought back normality.

    You should be more worried about affirmative action, black on White crime the War on Christmas, again affirmative action than laws about selling condoms.

  233. @Art Deco
    @Mike_from_SGV

    You're conflating cases and motions and you're confusing procedural and substantive decisions. No airing of the evidence in court was ever undertaken.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    There is plenty of evidence of cover-ups. Wall-to-wall cover-ups. (Or is it covers-up?)

  234. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Mr anti Griswold decision crusader???????.
     
    Are you implying the Jews of 1965 were right, and the Protestants of 1879 wrong? Griswold-- and Abingdon and Murray before it and Epperson and Roe after-- were decried by conservatives of the time.

    Wickard v Filburn was a disaster for what little was left of conservative America. FDR's packed Supreme Court upheld in 1942 a horrible 1938 policy which led to massive electoral resistance in the 1938 and 1940 elections. Nearly a thousand rural counties turned on the President.

    The very fact that he was President shows that conservatives had been losing for decades before Brown.

    Truman should have been tried for war crimes while the Republicans had the chance. Another conservative surrender. That, and those damned Puerto Ricans missed.

    Replies: @Alden

    So you think japan was not our enemy in WW2? Then who did we fight with all over the pacific for 4 years?

    Conservatives are losers, especially when they obsess about the Griswold case. FDR vs Hoover was almost 100 years ago. It’s 2020, not 1879. Historical note. It was legal to sell condoms in Connecticut for 340 years before 1879. Griswold decision just brought back normality.

    You should be more worried about affirmative action, black on White crime the War on Christmas, again affirmative action than laws about selling condoms.

  235. @Alden
    @John Up North

    I know that about Jackson. You must know how many duels he was in? Didn’t he lose his inheritance gambling when he was a teen?
    A real explorer pioneer warrior general great American.

    Back when I was in 7-8 grade he was presented in the standard American history books as a populist for the common man, almost FDR William Jennings Bryan reformer.

    Now he’s just another evil racist White man.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Back when I was in 7-8 grade he was presented in the standard American history books as a populist for the common man, almost FDR William Jennings Bryan reformer.

    He kicked the Choctaw and Chickasaw out of Mississippi and replaced them with Negroes. How did that help the common man? (At least Mississippians named counties after their former residents.) As for Bryan, nobody here stands up for him in the Scopes show trial. Where are the reformers now?

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jackson did help the common farmers by removing the Indians. Who often raided the farms stole livestock, burnt buildings and food stores , and killed and kidnapped settlers. Removing killers kidnappers thieves robbers and arsonists made it possible to settle the country

    Jackson did not replace the Indians with blacks. He replaced them with White settlers who brought black slaves with them and imported more.

    William Jennings Bryan and the Scopes trial have nothing to do with anything happening today. If you don’t believe in evolution I don’t care. It’s something I never think about. If the earth was made in 6 days 6,000 years ago it doesn’t affect me or the fate of Whites at all. Neither does it affect Whites if the earth created itself 666 gazillion years ago.

    Aren’t there websites where people like you debate evolution and eating meat on Friday or whether to observe sabbath on Sunday or Saturday ?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

  236. @AnotherDad
    @Ichabod

    I didn't do any statistical analysis, but i did a quick look through the 2016/2020 vote totals in Germerica last month.

    The basic pattern is Trump holding or slightly increasing his vote percentage versus 2016. Which, given the higher turnout means more Trump votes.

    But Biden's vote percentage rockets up much, much more. (I.e. Biden seems to capture most of the 2016 3rd party vote--mostly Gary Johnson--that collapses in 2020. ) So Biden improves in vote margin.

    I believe this is across every Germerican state. And in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania it flips the state. Someone could compare the states where fraud is suspected with those where it would be pointless. But--again cursory scan--basically it looks like Germerica's reaction to Trump was ho-hum.

    ~~

    My take is Trump's Trumpiness was certainly an issue.

    But the bigger problem is clear, cogent communication. And not just on the easy stuff--Covid 19 or spending and government shutdowns. Required is a willingness to do clear factual communication on the ugly contentious, racially tinged stuff.

    And this is not just Trump's problem, but a problem of Republicans and conservatives in general.

    BLM is an open fraud. The cops don't target blacks. Blacks commit a heck of a lot more crime so end up in the cops crosshairs more. There is no statistical doubt about this--cop killing victims are actually considerably less black than murders (a good proxy for armed response) are. But the Democrats gave us a summer of riots over this open fraud. (Not even gettting into the issue that Floyd, not the cops, killed Floyd.)

    Diversity is our strength. (Oh, please!)

    But the biggest issue is immigration. Immigration is just other people--and other peoples!--taking the space that belongs to your kids. It directly makes every conceivable thing worse for working and middle class people, all to pad a few people's pockets--cash or votes--in the short term. But is a disaster for every actual American long term. (Maybe it's fine for the carpetbagger types whose children will be off to somewhere else.) Mass immigration forever, means your nation ends up a shithole--simple math. It is simply the destruction of America.

    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.

    Trump was fun ... but he was not capable of getting the necessary job done.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Hypnotoad666, @Flip, @Alden, @Hockamaw, @HammerJack, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Paul Mendez, @Polynikes, @Desiderius

    DeSantis seems better at this.

  237. @Charlotte
    Yep. My 100% Nordic upper-Midwest mother can’t stand Trump-and it’s not really any of his positions or substantive actions, it’s how rude, abrasive, and colorful he can be. The antithesis of Minnesota Nice. Personal style is shorthand for, “I’m similar to you in culture and values and therefore a trustworthy representative” or “I’m dissimilar to you and possibly strange and untrustworthy.” Some voters will look beyond a personal style they don’t like, weighing policy positions and accomplishments, but some won’t.

    The current tendency to see whites only as a foil for more interesting people of color no doubt obscures white ethnic differences even more than the binary white/black divide and the theory of the American melting pot did. I once had a roommate who joked that where she came from, a mixed marriage was an Irish Catholic marrying a German Catholic. Previous generations understood that different ethnic groups had different cultures, some more compatible than others. That understanding seems to have been largely lost, though the cultural differences themselves aren’t quite gone.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Stan Adams

    The best primer in white inter-ethnic rivalry at the level we’re talking here is this movie:

    Fascinating “what if” is Harvard continuing and building on their embrace of white ethnics you see here instead of losing their nerve and turning to Affirmative Action to crowd them back out. Wonder how much this game contributed to that.

  238. @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    Conservatives and nationalists must be able to wade into these issues with clear, calm, logical, factual and forceful debunking of the minoritarian narrative.
     
    You are correct. But who has the guts to do this? And how could their message - no matter how compelling - break through in the current environment of media collusion and censorship?

    Republicans just wilt as soon as they are called "racist" by the media. So they are useless.

    Politics is downstream from culture as they say. And I suppose the biggest challenge post Trump is to try to create some alternative to the suffocating chokehold created by the tripartite alliance between the MSM, Big Tech, and the Deep State.

    Not exactly an easy task. But without it we are doomed.

    Replies: @Prester John, @HammerJack, @Paul Mendez, @Desiderius

    But who has the guts to do this?

    Steve Sailer

  239. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Conservatives have lost every issue for the last 67 years...

     

    Roscoe Filburn is rolling in his grave at that statement. Which probably constitutes "interstate commerce" on his part.

    ... beginning with school desegregation Brown vs Topeka 1953.
     
    Brown was the first forced busing case. As with later cases, the plaintiffs objected to their child being bused out of the neighborhood, for social engineering reasons.

    If you want segregated schools, turn to the churches, which are and always have been segregated. Not de jure but de facto, which is what counts. And your kids can say their prayers. Together.

    Replies: @Alden, @Alden

    Brown was not about bussing at all. Brown was about all children in Topeka Kansas attending the nearest public school to their home. Instead of the existing system of separate schools for Whites and blacks.

    Topeka school board was the respondent defendant. The plaintiff absolutely was not parents who objected to their children being bussed out of the neighborhood for social engineering reasons. The plaintiff, Esther Brown, wanted kids sent to racially integrated schools.

    The plaintiffs were not black parents and black kids who who wanted black kids to attend the school closest to their homes. Or schools in far off White neighborhoods.

    The plaintiff, Esther Brown, was neither a black student nor black parent in the Topeka school district. She was a White Jewish attorney who somehow managed to be both plaintiff and plaintiff’s attorney.

    Read the case before you write about it. And not the Wikipedia article either. Read the plaintiffs and respondents pleadings, the transcript and the judge’s findings and orders.

    You blather on and on about Brown and don’t even know who the plaintiff and respondent defendant were. Why should I or anyone else waste their time reading such total ignorance. You might start by asking Mr google the definitions of plaintiff defendant and respondent Then read the case.

    Or ask or pay an attorney or paralegal to explain it to you.

    No wonder conservatives are such losers. Can’t even read and understand a case file.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alden

    Alden,

    Unfortunately you are confused about Brown vs. Bd. of Education. The lead plaintiff was Oliver Brown, black father of student Linda.


    https://www.archives.gov/files/historical-docs/doc-content/images/brown-v-board-of-education.pdf

    There was an Esther Brown who was a Jewish civil rights advocate but she was not the Brown in Brown vs. Board of Education


    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/brownvboard/meetthebrowns.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    She was a White Jewish attorney who somehow managed to be both plaintiff and plaintiff’s attorney.
     
    So white Jewish attorneys wised up for Griswold, Epperson, and Roe, and found useful idiots among normal Americans to argue in their place?

    Mea culpa for the mistake of assuming the received story of Brown. That's what everybody else does when they think these other cases were about privacy, science, and women's rights rather than destroying Western Civilization from the inside!

  240. @AndrewR
    @Andrew M

    Given that Scandinavians are descended from the Vikings, among the most fearsome and vicious peoples in European history, it's strange they have become the biggest doormats.

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki, @Anonymous

    The Vikings by definition were those Scandinavians who weren’t happy being peaceful farmers and who went abroad in search of adventure and loot. Many of them didn’t come back. They did not leave many descendants among the Scandinavians of today.

  241. @George
    Are Minnesota Police uniquely F-ed up?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

    I can't quite figure out why the Minnesota police did not release video of a handcuffed George Floyd fighting his way out of the police car ending up on the roadway. It seemed like they were purposely trying to make it seem like they murdered Floyd.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Democrat mayors/police chiefs wanted rioting and mayhem because they believed it would get Trump out of office. They were right too.

    This was more important than justice for a few individual officers.

    • Agree: S. Anonyia
  242. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Back when I was in 7-8 grade he was presented in the standard American history books as a populist for the common man, almost FDR William Jennings Bryan reformer.
     
    He kicked the Choctaw and Chickasaw out of Mississippi and replaced them with Negroes. How did that help the common man? (At least Mississippians named counties after their former residents.) As for Bryan, nobody here stands up for him in the Scopes show trial. Where are the reformers now?

    Replies: @Alden

    Jackson did help the common farmers by removing the Indians. Who often raided the farms stole livestock, burnt buildings and food stores , and killed and kidnapped settlers. Removing killers kidnappers thieves robbers and arsonists made it possible to settle the country

    Jackson did not replace the Indians with blacks. He replaced them with White settlers who brought black slaves with them and imported more.

    William Jennings Bryan and the Scopes trial have nothing to do with anything happening today. If you don’t believe in evolution I don’t care. It’s something I never think about. If the earth was made in 6 days 6,000 years ago it doesn’t affect me or the fate of Whites at all. Neither does it affect Whites if the earth created itself 666 gazillion years ago.

    Aren’t there websites where people like you debate evolution and eating meat on Friday or whether to observe sabbath on Sunday or Saturday ?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Jackson did not replace the Indians with blacks. He replaced them with White settlers who brought black slaves with them and imported more.

    There were no slave imports to speak of after 1808. Slaves introduced into westerly territories were transported from points east.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Aren’t there websites where people like you debate evolution and eating meat on Friday or whether to observe sabbath on Sunday or Saturday ?
     
    It's not about evolution or prayer per se. (I don't take a position either, and don't care for "public" schools at all.)

    It's about which one produces a better outcome from these schools. How does 2020's compare with 1920's? Which graduates could write a better essay? Darwin's spawn, or Bryan's? Which gave their parents grandchildren, and which granddogs?

    If you want your race and civilization to continue, let alone thrive, you'd better choose the right one. "By their fruits shall ye know them!"

    Replies: @AndrewR

  243. @Charlotte
    Yep. My 100% Nordic upper-Midwest mother can’t stand Trump-and it’s not really any of his positions or substantive actions, it’s how rude, abrasive, and colorful he can be. The antithesis of Minnesota Nice. Personal style is shorthand for, “I’m similar to you in culture and values and therefore a trustworthy representative” or “I’m dissimilar to you and possibly strange and untrustworthy.” Some voters will look beyond a personal style they don’t like, weighing policy positions and accomplishments, but some won’t.

    The current tendency to see whites only as a foil for more interesting people of color no doubt obscures white ethnic differences even more than the binary white/black divide and the theory of the American melting pot did. I once had a roommate who joked that where she came from, a mixed marriage was an Irish Catholic marrying a German Catholic. Previous generations understood that different ethnic groups had different cultures, some more compatible than others. That understanding seems to have been largely lost, though the cultural differences themselves aren’t quite gone.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Stan Adams

    What does she think of Hunter Biden?

  244. Anonymous[724] • Disclaimer says:
    @Odin
    @Jack D


    So far I (and the courts) have not seen one thing that is really solid.
     
    Do we know how many courts considered evidence

    VERSUS

    How many dismissed plaintiffs up front for being too early, too late, the wrong people, at the wrong level, in the wrong state or county, etc. etc.?

    VERSUS

    How many rejected presentations because they mentioned Kraken?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    At least in the two most recent court cases in Wisconsin (one federal and one state supreme court), the Trump campaign’s lawyers had the chance to present evidence for fraud. They didn’t.

    In the federal case: no allegations of fraud.

    “With the Electoral College meeting just days away, the Court declined to address the issues in piecemeal fashion and instead provided plaintiff with an expedited hearing on the merits of his claims. On the morning of the hearing, the parties reached agreement on a stipulated set of facts and then presented arguments to the Court.”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/a-stunning-passage-from-the-latest-court-rejection-of-team-trump/

    In the state supreme court case, the Trump campaign tried to get the absentee ballots thrown out due to procedural violations, not fraud.

    “The claims made by the Campaign in this case are not of widespread fraud or serious election improprieties. These are ordinary sorts of election administration issues——for example, challenging whether an “application” form in use statewide for a decade constitutes a sufficient application (it does). While this does not diminish the importance of the election procedures the legislature has chosen, Wisconsin’s electorate should be encouraged that the issues raised in this case are focused on rather technical issues such as whether a witness must include their zip code as part of their address.”

    https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=315395

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Anonymous

    You’re wrong. They were denied the opportunity on procedural grounds. Dissent in state court explicitly said they deserved the chance.

  245. @HammerJack
    @Jake


    Exceptions prove rules.
     
    If you say so.

    What the above exchange marks is the divide among whites of Western European origins between Germanic and Celto-Italic.

     

    This whole exercise is picking nits. British descended types are 70% suicidal and German /Scandinavian types are 80% suicidal.

    Replies: @Jake

    “British types” live according to according to WASP cultural norms. Angles and Saxons are Germanic. WASP is Germanic, like Scandinavian and Dutch and Continental Saxon.

    If you see things the way most Germanics do, i.e. that genes are almost everything, you will miss most of the meaning. What matters is what basic culture you accept, have been forced to accept, and live under.

    One way to frame that is to realize how quickly the Irish started hating themselves. It happened almost instantaneously as the they stopped being ardent Irish nationalists resisting everything WASP – and not just direct London rule/ When the Irish capitulated and, however reluctantly, just decided to live as nice WASPed Irish, they began hating themselves.

  246. I just read Amren’s “classical article” about the Wichita Massacre. That was in Kansas, not Minnesota, but it also led to the question: What’s wrong with Kansas? And my proposed answer is: White people expecting that appeasement by compliance leads to peace. I think that we have to counter this style of thinking – with narratives where compliance went wrong!

  247. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jackson did help the common farmers by removing the Indians. Who often raided the farms stole livestock, burnt buildings and food stores , and killed and kidnapped settlers. Removing killers kidnappers thieves robbers and arsonists made it possible to settle the country

    Jackson did not replace the Indians with blacks. He replaced them with White settlers who brought black slaves with them and imported more.

    William Jennings Bryan and the Scopes trial have nothing to do with anything happening today. If you don’t believe in evolution I don’t care. It’s something I never think about. If the earth was made in 6 days 6,000 years ago it doesn’t affect me or the fate of Whites at all. Neither does it affect Whites if the earth created itself 666 gazillion years ago.

    Aren’t there websites where people like you debate evolution and eating meat on Friday or whether to observe sabbath on Sunday or Saturday ?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    Jackson did not replace the Indians with blacks. He replaced them with White settlers who brought black slaves with them and imported more.

    There were no slave imports to speak of after 1808. Slaves introduced into westerly territories were transported from points east.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Art Deco

    "There were no slave imports to speak of after 1808." Not in large amounts but there were. New Orleans was an ideal place to smuggle them in. Spanish Florida. What about the Amistad case? That was a Spanish ship. The cotton states were "importing" them from places like Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, etc.

  248. @Polynikes
    @Crawfurdmuir


    Were Minnesota not the unwilling host of 100,000+ Somalis, and a welfare haven for “tourists from Chicago,” the state would probably have been carried easily by Trump.
     
    We’re Minnesota not a haven for 100k Somalis plus this a hundred times over across the country, a guy like Trump would’ve never rose to power.

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    We’re Minnesota not a haven for 100k Somalis plus this a hundred times over across the country, a guy like Trump would’ve never rose to power.

    Trump lost Minnesota in 2016. It was already too late for his message there – enough population dilution had taken place to shift the state firmly into the blue column.

    Minnesota, it should be recalled, was once a “purple” state that, though it used to elect DFL’ers like Hubert Humphrey, also elected Republican senators like Boschwitz and Durenberger, and Republican governors like Al Quie and Arne Carlson. Those days are gone.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Minnesota, it should be recalled, was once a “purple” state that, though it used to elect DFL’ers like Hubert Humphrey, also elected Republican senators like Boschwitz and Durenberger, and Republican governors like Al Quie and Arne Carlson. Those days are gone.

    Your purple state has been carried by the Republican presidential nominee just once in 60-odd years.

    The American Conservative Union has its historical data on the voting records of Members of Congress online. Both Durenburger and Quie were political temporizers. Quie's voting record as collated over the eight year period concluding at the end of 1978 put him about 40% of the distance between the median score of the Republican caucus and the median score of the Democratic caucus. Durenberger's for the 16 year period concluding at the end of 1994 was just over half the distance between the median of the Republican caucus and the median of the Democratic caucus. There were only two Republican senators to Durenberger's left in 1994; both were over 70 and were gone from Congress within five years.

    NB, when Durenburger and Quie were at their peak (ca. 1978), the Democratic Party had a 3:1 majority in the Minnesota legislature and controlled both chambers. As we speak, the Democrats have an advantage of 1.14 to 1 and the Republicans currently have a majority in one of the two chambers.

  249. It’s interesting to note that the Swedish Democrats have gone to great lengths to make themselves look more polite and female friendly (such as using flowers on their political signage and aggressively removing skinheads and paramilitary types). However, this polite and understated approach may not work in the US given the greater white diversity US populist nationalists have to deal with.

  250. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Jackson did help the common farmers by removing the Indians. Who often raided the farms stole livestock, burnt buildings and food stores , and killed and kidnapped settlers. Removing killers kidnappers thieves robbers and arsonists made it possible to settle the country

    Jackson did not replace the Indians with blacks. He replaced them with White settlers who brought black slaves with them and imported more.

    William Jennings Bryan and the Scopes trial have nothing to do with anything happening today. If you don’t believe in evolution I don’t care. It’s something I never think about. If the earth was made in 6 days 6,000 years ago it doesn’t affect me or the fate of Whites at all. Neither does it affect Whites if the earth created itself 666 gazillion years ago.

    Aren’t there websites where people like you debate evolution and eating meat on Friday or whether to observe sabbath on Sunday or Saturday ?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Reg Cæsar

    Aren’t there websites where people like you debate evolution and eating meat on Friday or whether to observe sabbath on Sunday or Saturday ?

    It’s not about evolution or prayer per se. (I don’t take a position either, and don’t care for “public” schools at all.)

    It’s about which one produces a better outcome from these schools. How does 2020’s compare with 1920’s? Which graduates could write a better essay? Darwin’s spawn, or Bryan’s? Which gave their parents grandchildren, and which granddogs?

    If you want your race and civilization to continue, let alone thrive, you’d better choose the right one. “By their fruits shall ye know them!”

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Nazis were Darwinists, and they had no trouble reproducing.

    Meanwhile, what is the TFR of the average bible beater today?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

  251. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Brown was not about bussing at all. Brown was about all children in Topeka Kansas attending the nearest public school to their home. Instead of the existing system of separate schools for Whites and blacks.

    Topeka school board was the respondent defendant. The plaintiff absolutely was not parents who objected to their children being bussed out of the neighborhood for social engineering reasons. The plaintiff, Esther Brown, wanted kids sent to racially integrated schools.

    The plaintiffs were not black parents and black kids who who wanted black kids to attend the school closest to their homes. Or schools in far off White neighborhoods.

    The plaintiff, Esther Brown, was neither a black student nor black parent in the Topeka school district. She was a White Jewish attorney who somehow managed to be both plaintiff and plaintiff’s attorney.

    Read the case before you write about it. And not the Wikipedia article either. Read the plaintiffs and respondents pleadings, the transcript and the judge’s findings and orders.

    You blather on and on about Brown and don’t even know who the plaintiff and respondent defendant were. Why should I or anyone else waste their time reading such total ignorance. You might start by asking Mr google the definitions of plaintiff defendant and respondent Then read the case.

    Or ask or pay an attorney or paralegal to explain it to you.


    No wonder conservatives are such losers. Can’t even read and understand a case file.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    Alden,

    Unfortunately you are confused about Brown vs. Bd. of Education. The lead plaintiff was Oliver Brown, black father of student Linda.

    https://www.archives.gov/files/historical-docs/doc-content/images/brown-v-board-of-education.pdf

    There was an Esther Brown who was a Jewish civil rights advocate but she was not the Brown in Brown vs. Board of Education

    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/brownvboard/meetthebrowns.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Alden,

    Unfortunately you are confused about Brown vs. Bd. of Education. The lead plaintiff was Oliver Brown, black father of student Linda.
     
    In her own words:

    You blather on and on about Brown and don’t even know who the plaintiff and respondent defendant were. Why should I or anyone else waste their time reading such total ignorance[?]
     
  252. @Alden
    @Reg Cæsar

    Brown was not about bussing at all. Brown was about all children in Topeka Kansas attending the nearest public school to their home. Instead of the existing system of separate schools for Whites and blacks.

    Topeka school board was the respondent defendant. The plaintiff absolutely was not parents who objected to their children being bussed out of the neighborhood for social engineering reasons. The plaintiff, Esther Brown, wanted kids sent to racially integrated schools.

    The plaintiffs were not black parents and black kids who who wanted black kids to attend the school closest to their homes. Or schools in far off White neighborhoods.

    The plaintiff, Esther Brown, was neither a black student nor black parent in the Topeka school district. She was a White Jewish attorney who somehow managed to be both plaintiff and plaintiff’s attorney.

    Read the case before you write about it. And not the Wikipedia article either. Read the plaintiffs and respondents pleadings, the transcript and the judge’s findings and orders.

    You blather on and on about Brown and don’t even know who the plaintiff and respondent defendant were. Why should I or anyone else waste their time reading such total ignorance. You might start by asking Mr google the definitions of plaintiff defendant and respondent Then read the case.

    Or ask or pay an attorney or paralegal to explain it to you.


    No wonder conservatives are such losers. Can’t even read and understand a case file.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Reg Cæsar

    She was a White Jewish attorney who somehow managed to be both plaintiff and plaintiff’s attorney.

    So white Jewish attorneys wised up for Griswold, Epperson, and Roe, and found useful idiots among normal Americans to argue in their place?

    Mea culpa for the mistake of assuming the received story of Brown. That’s what everybody else does when they think these other cases were about privacy, science, and women’s rights rather than destroying Western Civilization from the inside!

  253. @Jack D
    @Alden

    Alden,

    Unfortunately you are confused about Brown vs. Bd. of Education. The lead plaintiff was Oliver Brown, black father of student Linda.


    https://www.archives.gov/files/historical-docs/doc-content/images/brown-v-board-of-education.pdf

    There was an Esther Brown who was a Jewish civil rights advocate but she was not the Brown in Brown vs. Board of Education


    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/brownvboard/meetthebrowns.html

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Alden,

    Unfortunately you are confused about Brown vs. Bd. of Education. The lead plaintiff was Oliver Brown, black father of student Linda.

    In her own words:

    You blather on and on about Brown and don’t even know who the plaintiff and respondent defendant were. Why should I or anyone else waste their time reading such total ignorance[?]

  254. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Polynikes


    We’re Minnesota not a haven for 100k Somalis plus this a hundred times over across the country, a guy like Trump would’ve never rose to power.
     
    Trump lost Minnesota in 2016. It was already too late for his message there - enough population dilution had taken place to shift the state firmly into the blue column.

    Minnesota, it should be recalled, was once a "purple" state that, though it used to elect DFL'ers like Hubert Humphrey, also elected Republican senators like Boschwitz and Durenberger, and Republican governors like Al Quie and Arne Carlson. Those days are gone.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Minnesota, it should be recalled, was once a “purple” state that, though it used to elect DFL’ers like Hubert Humphrey, also elected Republican senators like Boschwitz and Durenberger, and Republican governors like Al Quie and Arne Carlson. Those days are gone.

    Your purple state has been carried by the Republican presidential nominee just once in 60-odd years.

    The American Conservative Union has its historical data on the voting records of Members of Congress online. Both Durenburger and Quie were political temporizers. Quie’s voting record as collated over the eight year period concluding at the end of 1978 put him about 40% of the distance between the median score of the Republican caucus and the median score of the Democratic caucus. Durenberger’s for the 16 year period concluding at the end of 1994 was just over half the distance between the median of the Republican caucus and the median of the Democratic caucus. There were only two Republican senators to Durenberger’s left in 1994; both were over 70 and were gone from Congress within five years.

    NB, when Durenburger and Quie were at their peak (ca. 1978), the Democratic Party had a 3:1 majority in the Minnesota legislature and controlled both chambers. As we speak, the Democrats have an advantage of 1.14 to 1 and the Republicans currently have a majority in one of the two chambers.

  255. People here are overlooking the fact that Germanic Americans take economic populism seriously. Trump’s pivot towards standard GOPnomics was a cause of his decline in support in the Upper Midwest.

  256. This conversation tracks well with Thomas Sowell’s analysis years ago of the similarities between American blacks and the Scots Irish of the Appalachian area. Definitely worth further exploration.

  257. @Dumbo
    @Wilkey

    A possible explanation is that Hitler won because of his focus on vegetarianism and animal rights. ;)

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

    … And a non-smoker!

  258. @Anonymous
    @Odin

    At least in the two most recent court cases in Wisconsin (one federal and one state supreme court), the Trump campaign's lawyers had the chance to present evidence for fraud. They didn't.

    In the federal case: no allegations of fraud.

    "With the Electoral College meeting just days away, the Court declined to address the issues in piecemeal fashion and instead provided plaintiff with an expedited hearing on the merits of his claims. On the morning of the hearing, the parties reached agreement on a stipulated set of facts and then presented arguments to the Court."

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/12/a-stunning-passage-from-the-latest-court-rejection-of-team-trump/

    In the state supreme court case, the Trump campaign tried to get the absentee ballots thrown out due to procedural violations, not fraud.

    "The claims made by the Campaign in this case are not of widespread fraud or serious election improprieties. These are ordinary sorts of election administration issues——for example, challenging whether an "application" form in use statewide for a decade constitutes a sufficient application (it does). While this does not diminish the importance of the election procedures the legislature has chosen, Wisconsin's electorate should be encouraged that the issues raised in this case are focused on rather technical issues such as whether a witness must include their zip code as part of their address."

    https://www.wicourts.gov/sc/opinion/DisplayDocument.pdf?content=pdf&seqNo=315395

    Replies: @Polynikes

    You’re wrong. They were denied the opportunity on procedural grounds. Dissent in state court explicitly said they deserved the chance.

  259. @Hypnotoad666
    @Jack D


    If you are going to base your case on witnesses like Carone you are going to get laughed out of court.
     
    Saturday Night Live is the source for your "no fraud" case. That's what would get you laughed out of court. How about Rudy's hair dye? You forgot to mention how that proves no fraud occurred.

    Please explain why you think Carone was committing perjury? Why didn't your side just produce the workers she witnessed or the audit trail of their machines (which could be easily done). Wouldn't that be a tad more persuasive than criticizing her hair or her accent, or claiming she was drunk?

    I haven’t investigated all of the things that you mention but the courts (many of them with Republican judges) have considered all of the evidence and have not accepted any of it as probative.
     
    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. This is the MSM talking point for people who know nothing about the legal system or election law. The lawsuits did not "consider all of the evidence" nor did they rule it was not "probative" of fraud. They were basically all state law emergency injunction applications to try to slow down the administrative vote certification process and get time to present evidence which was in the hands of the states. The courts basically all (predictably) dodged the issue by saying they were going to defer to the (usually biased and partisan) county vote boards and political Secretaries of State to certify their vote counts. Or on other procedural grounds like latches and standing.

    No court has ever ruled on the overall question of whether fraud occurred or altered the election. And frankly there is no way all the evidence could have been discovered and presented in the incredibly short time frame, anyway. The fraudsters have quite logically obstructed and distracted in order to play out this very short clock. Having done so, they will now say "What difference at this point does it make?" and that the whole affair must never be spoken of for the "good of democracy."

    I have no illusion Trump will be out of office. But I'd still like to find out exactly what happened in this election rather than have the MSM sweep it under the rug and spend the next four years calling people "conspiracy theorists" for wanting the get the facts.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    And Paula Jones’ proven accusations against Bill Clinton were laughable nonsense because she was “trailer trash” and had an uncool hairstyle.

  260. wow

    this is a piss poor analysis done by someone who obviously doesn’t even have a drive-by wikipedia type knowledge of mn

    so trump lost mn b/c of some anthropological glitch in the scando brain that hates entertainment and “braggadoccio”, huh?? mn is the state that elected as governor that dipshit me-first fraud jesse ventura–REMEMBER THAT?? perhaps you remember jesse’s prior vocation–professional wrestler–iow a pro faker and fraud and massive bragger. jesse won that race the same way trump won his–by getting up in front of crowds of people (which were easy to draw b/c of jesse’s home-grown celebrity) (many of them scando’s also btw) and calling all the politicians in the state dumb asses. this was 20 years before trump–and in the middle of a genuine economic boom, rather than a post obama dytopia. and jesse didn’t even have the backing of either major party, running on some bs minor libertarian outfit. but it was still plenty enough to whip both the dem and repube–one of whom was hubert humphrey’s kid–you might have heard of hubert humphrey, he’s. . .kind of famous in mn.

    besides, in reality trump won mn (and wi) in both of his campaigns–just like reagan won it easily in 84 and mitt romney probably did in 2012–anybody participating in this phony reality of analyzing the 2020 election (or “voting” results from mn) like any part of it is real is too stupid to live

    in mn, they used to steal elections on the indian reservations up north–red lake band has a huge reservation on the iron range and the only thing they produce is phony votes–been going on for decades

    in the 1970’s the “refugee” tidal wave crashed into mn harder than any other state in the union–percapita wise of course–first the Hmong then the savage somalies–sprinkle in a sizable number of your run of the mill illegal aliens–at least 600,000 in a state of 4 million–and you have permanent d majorities forever. also the massive growth of the administrative state in mn–something like 1 out of every 8 minnesotans has a state or local public sector job–but still, trump managed to eke out two victories–pretty impressive

    so save the anthropology lesson–massive vote fraud, illegals, nonwhite refugees, public hacks–that’s the story from mn and it’s not any more complicated than that

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @halco

    in the 1970’s the “refugee” tidal wave crashed into mn harder than any other state in the union–percapita wise of course–first the Hmong then the savage somalies–sprinkle in a sizable number of your run of the mill illegal aliens–at least 600,000 in a state of 4 million–and you have permanent d majorities forever.

    Again, the Republicans are more competitive in Minnesota politics than they were 40-odd years ago. While we're at it, there are per the Census Bureau 41,000 Somalis and 69,000 Hmong in Minnesota. The two groups sum to about 2% of the population. Somalis are a low-single-digit segment of Ilhan Omar's constituency. White leftoids vote for her for the joys of vandalism.

    Replies: @BostonJoe

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @halco

    Also, Minnesota was the only state to go for McGovern against Nixon in 1972.

    Another oddity is that MN the governor and the vice governor are separated on the ballot. Minnesotans like to split the ticket as a check on both parties holding both positions.

    Minnesota's version of the Blue team is the Democratic-Farmer- Labor Party. The Hammer (Labor) and Sickle (Farmer) did not appear on their banners.

    I lived in Minnesota and it was my first vote and I voted for McGovern. The only D vote I ever cast. Won the state, lost the national election.

    Marching against the draft and the war, then voting for Nixon's second term would have been strange.

    I would have voted for Gabbard in 2020. Though I had my doubts that she would keep any promises once she assumed the position in the Oval Office.

    Replies: @BostonJoe, @Art Deco

  261. @Reg Cæsar
    @Alden


    Aren’t there websites where people like you debate evolution and eating meat on Friday or whether to observe sabbath on Sunday or Saturday ?
     
    It's not about evolution or prayer per se. (I don't take a position either, and don't care for "public" schools at all.)

    It's about which one produces a better outcome from these schools. How does 2020's compare with 1920's? Which graduates could write a better essay? Darwin's spawn, or Bryan's? Which gave their parents grandchildren, and which granddogs?

    If you want your race and civilization to continue, let alone thrive, you'd better choose the right one. "By their fruits shall ye know them!"

    Replies: @AndrewR

    The Nazis were Darwinists, and they had no trouble reproducing.

    Meanwhile, what is the TFR of the average bible beater today?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2723861/

    , @Art Deco
    @AndrewR

    While we're at it, Germany's total fertility rate during the Nazi era fluctuated around replacement level.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033102/fertility-rate-germany-1800-2020/

  262. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Jack D

    The people leave a lot to be desired.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    The number of honest people in Rome can be counted on one hand. Everyone steals from everyone else, or attempts to. I would happily raze all the ancient architecture there if it would prevent naïve tourists from thinking Rome was worth visiting. Or better yet I would just remove the native population entirely and leave the city as an outdoor museum.

  263. @Charon
    @Altai

    Much of Italy has been swamped with Africans these past several years. It ain't your father's Italy any more, that's for sure.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    As if “your father’s” Rome was so delightful. Absurd. When were you there?

  264. @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Nazis were Darwinists, and they had no trouble reproducing.

    Meanwhile, what is the TFR of the average bible beater today?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

  265. @AndrewR
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Nazis were Darwinists, and they had no trouble reproducing.

    Meanwhile, what is the TFR of the average bible beater today?

    Replies: @Art Deco, @Art Deco

    While we’re at it, Germany’s total fertility rate during the Nazi era fluctuated around replacement level.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033102/fertility-rate-germany-1800-2020/

  266. @halco
    wow

    this is a piss poor analysis done by someone who obviously doesn't even have a drive-by wikipedia type knowledge of mn

    so trump lost mn b/c of some anthropological glitch in the scando brain that hates entertainment and "braggadoccio", huh?? mn is the state that elected as governor that dipshit me-first fraud jesse ventura--REMEMBER THAT?? perhaps you remember jesse's prior vocation--professional wrestler--iow a pro faker and fraud and massive bragger. jesse won that race the same way trump won his--by getting up in front of crowds of people (which were easy to draw b/c of jesse's home-grown celebrity) (many of them scando's also btw) and calling all the politicians in the state dumb asses. this was 20 years before trump--and in the middle of a genuine economic boom, rather than a post obama dytopia. and jesse didn't even have the backing of either major party, running on some bs minor libertarian outfit. but it was still plenty enough to whip both the dem and repube--one of whom was hubert humphrey's kid--you might have heard of hubert humphrey, he's. . .kind of famous in mn.

    besides, in reality trump won mn (and wi) in both of his campaigns--just like reagan won it easily in 84 and mitt romney probably did in 2012--anybody participating in this phony reality of analyzing the 2020 election (or "voting" results from mn) like any part of it is real is too stupid to live

    in mn, they used to steal elections on the indian reservations up north--red lake band has a huge reservation on the iron range and the only thing they produce is phony votes--been going on for decades

    in the 1970's the "refugee" tidal wave crashed into mn harder than any other state in the union--percapita wise of course--first the Hmong then the savage somalies--sprinkle in a sizable number of your run of the mill illegal aliens--at least 600,000 in a state of 4 million--and you have permanent d majorities forever. also the massive growth of the administrative state in mn--something like 1 out of every 8 minnesotans has a state or local public sector job--but still, trump managed to eke out two victories--pretty impressive

    so save the anthropology lesson--massive vote fraud, illegals, nonwhite refugees, public hacks--that's the story from mn and it's not any more complicated than that

    Replies: @Art Deco, @SaneClownPosse

    in the 1970’s the “refugee” tidal wave crashed into mn harder than any other state in the union–percapita wise of course–first the Hmong then the savage somalies–sprinkle in a sizable number of your run of the mill illegal aliens–at least 600,000 in a state of 4 million–and you have permanent d majorities forever.

    Again, the Republicans are more competitive in Minnesota politics than they were 40-odd years ago. While we’re at it, there are per the Census Bureau 41,000 Somalis and 69,000 Hmong in Minnesota. The two groups sum to about 2% of the population. Somalis are a low-single-digit segment of Ilhan Omar’s constituency. White leftoids vote for her for the joys of vandalism.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @BostonJoe
    @Art Deco

    I dunno bro: Somalians seem pretty thick on the ground there, no matter what the “official numbers” are. Take a trip to Minneapolis. Like Mogadishu, without the good weather.

  267. @James Braxton
    @Whiskey

    This election is like a body found riddled with bullets in the middle of the street.

    Just because you haven't figured out who pulled the trigger doesn't mean he died of natural causes.

    Replies: @36 ulster

    Or died from COVID-19, for that matter.

  268. Change in messaging.

    People who are non-human but actually only skin drawn taught over an animatronic mechanism to emit sound akin to speech posit:

    0) Biden won fair and square and y’all faggots!
    1) Any doubts about the election’s 100% legitimacy and purity as well as non-hackability are due to pernicious influence of Sputnik and RT, which started weeks before Bidenleader was erected.
    2) Russia may or may not have hacked the election, but if they did it clearly shows that Trump lost even more.

    Any questions?

    2020 election was ‘free, fair & secure,’ real problem is ‘Russian disinformation’ and RT, Nevada Democrat claims at Senate hearing

    Rosen asked Krebs if any US election systems were hacked by “foreign adversaries” – something no one has actually claimed about the 2020 vote. He replied, choosing his words, that he wasn’t aware of “any voting machine involved in the casting or counting of votes in this election, or the certification process” being affected, at least as of his departure five weeks ago.

    Satisfied, Rosen proceeded to argue that foreign adversaries were “amplifying the false perception our election process was fraudulent” and that “domestic actors amplified foreign disinformation campaigns” to undermine “confidence in our democratic process.”

  269. @Art Deco
    @Alden

    Jackson did not replace the Indians with blacks. He replaced them with White settlers who brought black slaves with them and imported more.

    There were no slave imports to speak of after 1808. Slaves introduced into westerly territories were transported from points east.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    “There were no slave imports to speak of after 1808.” Not in large amounts but there were. New Orleans was an ideal place to smuggle them in. Spanish Florida. What about the Amistad case? That was a Spanish ship. The cotton states were “importing” them from places like Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, etc.

  270. @G. Poulin
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    There's a clip of the Beatles playing in Sweden at the height of Beatlemania. The audience listens to the music and applauds politely. Some of the girls in the audience start to quiver a bit, then they look around in embarrassment and immediately stop. Highly conformist culture there. Civilized but inclined to deliberate enstupidation.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    The Swedish audiences didn’t have the planted instigators who got the mass screaming going in the USA.

    Then once that clip was displayed on the big 3 networks’ nightly news, the mania was spread like a virus to all the cities.

    Spook Promotions, Inc.

    At the time, my next door neighbor’s youngest daughter went into hysterics when I played a tape recording off the radio of one of their hits out my window. She screamed which [AM radio] station is it on?” Fun times.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @SaneClownPosse


    The Swedish audiences didn’t have the planted instigators who got the mass screaming going in the USA.
     
    British Invasion

    But if the Beatles were MI6, then what was Yoko?
    , @Anonymous
    @SaneClownPosse

    Frank Sinatra and Elvis already had teen girls screaming at their concerts. The Beatles just took it to a new level.

  271. @halco
    wow

    this is a piss poor analysis done by someone who obviously doesn't even have a drive-by wikipedia type knowledge of mn

    so trump lost mn b/c of some anthropological glitch in the scando brain that hates entertainment and "braggadoccio", huh?? mn is the state that elected as governor that dipshit me-first fraud jesse ventura--REMEMBER THAT?? perhaps you remember jesse's prior vocation--professional wrestler--iow a pro faker and fraud and massive bragger. jesse won that race the same way trump won his--by getting up in front of crowds of people (which were easy to draw b/c of jesse's home-grown celebrity) (many of them scando's also btw) and calling all the politicians in the state dumb asses. this was 20 years before trump--and in the middle of a genuine economic boom, rather than a post obama dytopia. and jesse didn't even have the backing of either major party, running on some bs minor libertarian outfit. but it was still plenty enough to whip both the dem and repube--one of whom was hubert humphrey's kid--you might have heard of hubert humphrey, he's. . .kind of famous in mn.

    besides, in reality trump won mn (and wi) in both of his campaigns--just like reagan won it easily in 84 and mitt romney probably did in 2012--anybody participating in this phony reality of analyzing the 2020 election (or "voting" results from mn) like any part of it is real is too stupid to live

    in mn, they used to steal elections on the indian reservations up north--red lake band has a huge reservation on the iron range and the only thing they produce is phony votes--been going on for decades

    in the 1970's the "refugee" tidal wave crashed into mn harder than any other state in the union--percapita wise of course--first the Hmong then the savage somalies--sprinkle in a sizable number of your run of the mill illegal aliens--at least 600,000 in a state of 4 million--and you have permanent d majorities forever. also the massive growth of the administrative state in mn--something like 1 out of every 8 minnesotans has a state or local public sector job--but still, trump managed to eke out two victories--pretty impressive

    so save the anthropology lesson--massive vote fraud, illegals, nonwhite refugees, public hacks--that's the story from mn and it's not any more complicated than that

    Replies: @Art Deco, @SaneClownPosse

    Also, Minnesota was the only state to go for McGovern against Nixon in 1972.

    Another oddity is that MN the governor and the vice governor are separated on the ballot. Minnesotans like to split the ticket as a check on both parties holding both positions.

    Minnesota’s version of the Blue team is the Democratic-Farmer- Labor Party. The Hammer (Labor) and Sickle (Farmer) did not appear on their banners.

    I lived in Minnesota and it was my first vote and I voted for McGovern. The only D vote I ever cast. Won the state, lost the national election.

    Marching against the draft and the war, then voting for Nixon’s second term would have been strange.

    I would have voted for Gabbard in 2020. Though I had my doubts that she would keep any promises once she assumed the position in the Oval Office.

    • Replies: @BostonJoe
    @SaneClownPosse

    Massachusetts and DC were the only two states/districts to go for McGovern in ‘72.

    ‘72 was the most recent election in which a Republican carried Minnesota.

    You can look it up.

    , @Art Deco
    @SaneClownPosse

    No, it went for Mondale in 1984. it went for Nixon in 1972.

  272. @Art Deco
    @halco

    in the 1970’s the “refugee” tidal wave crashed into mn harder than any other state in the union–percapita wise of course–first the Hmong then the savage somalies–sprinkle in a sizable number of your run of the mill illegal aliens–at least 600,000 in a state of 4 million–and you have permanent d majorities forever.

    Again, the Republicans are more competitive in Minnesota politics than they were 40-odd years ago. While we're at it, there are per the Census Bureau 41,000 Somalis and 69,000 Hmong in Minnesota. The two groups sum to about 2% of the population. Somalis are a low-single-digit segment of Ilhan Omar's constituency. White leftoids vote for her for the joys of vandalism.

    Replies: @BostonJoe

    I dunno bro: Somalians seem pretty thick on the ground there, no matter what the “official numbers” are. Take a trip to Minneapolis. Like Mogadishu, without the good weather.

  273. @SaneClownPosse
    @halco

    Also, Minnesota was the only state to go for McGovern against Nixon in 1972.

    Another oddity is that MN the governor and the vice governor are separated on the ballot. Minnesotans like to split the ticket as a check on both parties holding both positions.

    Minnesota's version of the Blue team is the Democratic-Farmer- Labor Party. The Hammer (Labor) and Sickle (Farmer) did not appear on their banners.

    I lived in Minnesota and it was my first vote and I voted for McGovern. The only D vote I ever cast. Won the state, lost the national election.

    Marching against the draft and the war, then voting for Nixon's second term would have been strange.

    I would have voted for Gabbard in 2020. Though I had my doubts that she would keep any promises once she assumed the position in the Oval Office.

    Replies: @BostonJoe, @Art Deco

    Massachusetts and DC were the only two states/districts to go for McGovern in ‘72.

    ‘72 was the most recent election in which a Republican carried Minnesota.

    You can look it up.

  274. @SaneClownPosse
    @halco

    Also, Minnesota was the only state to go for McGovern against Nixon in 1972.

    Another oddity is that MN the governor and the vice governor are separated on the ballot. Minnesotans like to split the ticket as a check on both parties holding both positions.

    Minnesota's version of the Blue team is the Democratic-Farmer- Labor Party. The Hammer (Labor) and Sickle (Farmer) did not appear on their banners.

    I lived in Minnesota and it was my first vote and I voted for McGovern. The only D vote I ever cast. Won the state, lost the national election.

    Marching against the draft and the war, then voting for Nixon's second term would have been strange.

    I would have voted for Gabbard in 2020. Though I had my doubts that she would keep any promises once she assumed the position in the Oval Office.

    Replies: @BostonJoe, @Art Deco

    No, it went for Mondale in 1984. it went for Nixon in 1972.

  275. @Frank McGar
    @Altai

    Very true, they were basically colonizers after the 9 years war. I wonder how much that tension still exists - Ulster rebellion was almost 400 years ago, and a lot of the Irish landowners left, if they weren't killed. In the US we mostly get along with our British and Canadian counterparts, but there's still an underlying tension when it comes to how we go about our politics. But most of the tension in jovial in nature: "Hey, remember when we kicked your asses?" etc. Wonder how it is in Ulster between the Gaelic Irish and the Ulster Scots now.

    Replies: @Hapalong Cassidy, @Servant of Gla'aki, @Seamusmocnahoople

    Irish are winning , Brits are going back home soon , plus with brexit the Irish are really going to stick the knife in . Bet the Brits wish they never partioned Ireland now😂😂

  276. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Frank McGar

    I imagine there is still plenty of disagreeableness between the Ulsters and the Gaelics, even though the Troubles may be long over. It was always an ethnic conflict rather than the religious one the Western media made it out to be (ha, ha those dumb-ass Christians can even get along with each other let alone other religions). If the differences were only religious, then Ulster would have no problem rejoining Ireland over Brexit, since Wokeness is now the religion of choice for both of them.

    Replies: @Frank McGar, @Seamusmocnahoople

    The people you call Ulsters are 1/ not native to Ulster and 2/ a minority in Ulster. When the British partitioned Ireland they also partitioned Ulster. The native Irish Ulster population will soon dominate the British Six county enclave although the Brits are looking for a way out now with brexit coming. With German and French support Ireland can now make the Brits regret partition . Payback will be a bitch .

  277. @SaneClownPosse
    @G. Poulin

    The Swedish audiences didn't have the planted instigators who got the mass screaming going in the USA.

    Then once that clip was displayed on the big 3 networks' nightly news, the mania was spread like a virus to all the cities.

    Spook Promotions, Inc.

    At the time, my next door neighbor's youngest daughter went into hysterics when I played a tape recording off the radio of one of their hits out my window. She screamed which [AM radio] station is it on?" Fun times.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Anonymous

    The Swedish audiences didn’t have the planted instigators who got the mass screaming going in the USA.

    British Invasion

    But if the Beatles were MI6, then what was Yoko?

  278. @G. Poulin
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    There's a clip of the Beatles playing in Sweden at the height of Beatlemania. The audience listens to the music and applauds politely. Some of the girls in the audience start to quiver a bit, then they look around in embarrassment and immediately stop. Highly conformist culture there. Civilized but inclined to deliberate enstupidation.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    It’s worth remembering that they weren’t that popular, and many people didn’t like them. The way historians write, you’d think they had 100% approval, but it just wasn’t so, and probably not even among the young.

    I’d be curious to see in which countries “Beatlemania” actually occurred. Whether you agree with the “intelligence operation” hypothesis or not, it was marketing. Maybe it wasn’t worth the effort in Sweden?

  279. @Dube
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    …we really can’t grant any thesis until we know the full extent of the fraud.

    You're taking the fun out of it for the sophisticates. What's needed are studies of traffic patterns at malls where ballots were piled for pickup on the honor system.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    More Science is always a good thing

    You’re taking the fun out of it for the sophisticates.

    I think this is hitting a rather disturbing nail directly on the head

  280. @SaneClownPosse
    @G. Poulin

    The Swedish audiences didn't have the planted instigators who got the mass screaming going in the USA.

    Then once that clip was displayed on the big 3 networks' nightly news, the mania was spread like a virus to all the cities.

    Spook Promotions, Inc.

    At the time, my next door neighbor's youngest daughter went into hysterics when I played a tape recording off the radio of one of their hits out my window. She screamed which [AM radio] station is it on?" Fun times.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Anonymous

    Frank Sinatra and Elvis already had teen girls screaming at their concerts. The Beatles just took it to a new level.

  281. @Mark G.
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account


    Granting Uriah’s thesis, it might behoove the next Trumpist to try a double-act: put Pence front-and-center in Minnesota et al, and Trump everywhere else.
     
    After his first debate with Harris, I saw several commenters here at Unz.com remark that Pence talked slower and had a less aggressive and in your face style than Trump had in his first debate with Biden. Pence rose to political prominence here in Indiana. The largest ethnic group in Indiana is German and this style appeals to them. Former OMB chief and Indiana governor Mitch Daniels was like this too. A Washington Monthly article once described him as "calm, unassuming, likable, self-deprecating, and very smart".

    Hoosier voters did vote for Trump but it was more due to the state being traditionally Republican rather than the Trumpian style. There were also a couple other factors that helped here. Indiana, along with many other heavily German Midwestern states, has an isolationist foreign policy tradition and Trump showed some sympathy for that. Trump was also really the only politician at the national level to notice how bad things were becoming for the white working class in Rust Belt states like Indiana.

    Replies: @David Davenport

    Hoosier voters did vote for Trump but it was more due to the state being traditionally Republican … The largest ethnic group in Indiana is German and this style appeals to them.

    The KKK was popular in the 1920’s in Indiana. Why was that? ( 1920’s Ku Klux Klan: theatrical parades and rallies, mostly Democrat, anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic, )

    Didn’t Indiana have a governor who was a member of the Klan during the 1920’s?

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