Trump on Syria Withdrawal: We Give Israel Billions of Dollars, They'll be OK
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From Martin Indyk, executive vice president of the Brookings Institution:
Trump: “We give Israel billions of dollars, they'll be okay.” This cavalier attitude is deeply worrying. Ignores the role of US as force multiplier for Israeli deterrence. From here it’s a short step to Trump asking: why are we giving Israel so much money? https://t.co/et2HpO5W0R
— Martin Indyk (@Martin_Indyk) December 27, 2018
This is what worries the Establishment most about Trump: the terror that he might ask some common-sensical but verboten question like:
Why do we give Israel so much money?
Why don’t black guys try committing fewer crimes?
If we take in dumb immigrants, won’t they have dumb kids?
We can't ask Cleavon because he croaked in 1992.
Would Maria Bartiromo have muffed that hold on the famous kick attempt like Romo did? Would she be wearing those white gloves?
The stawk mahket is an asset bubble set to implode when the interest rates and the Fed balance sheet returns to something close to normal.
Maria Bartiromo can pronounce "stock market" any way she likes.
Um, how about “Why do we give Israel ANY money?” And I like Israelis.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Israel routinely attacks Syria and still holds stolen Golan Heights.
Syria is in shambles(due to violation of its borders) while Israel is walled and safe, but the moral issue is “What about Israel?”
Sick. US is a gangster state.
The only time Israel attacks Syria is when the Iranians are moving war materiel thru it to Hezbollah. Israel was the best of enemies with Assad - they left each other alone and the situation at the border was quite stable. Israel made it very clear that it didn't care which side won the Syrian civil war - a plague on both their houses - one is worse that the next but you can't say which one. Their only ground rule was that both sides had to strictly respect Israeli sovereignty.
We should give them more Jews.
"we send them over there so we don't have to fight them over here"
Indyk makes Israel sound like a thirty-year-old whose parents are about to kick him out of the house and take away his allowance.
Martin Indyk =
Train my kind.
A minty drink.
Many drink it.
Tin army kind.
Dirty ink man.
I try mankind.
Mr Tiny, kinda.
Ink in my dart.
Dint in my ark.
Damn, I kin try…
It’s John Derbyshire’s Law: “ANYTHING WHATSOEVER said by a Gentile about Jews will be perceived as antisemitic by someone, somewhere.” Even if what you say is pro-Jewish, it may lead to an antisemitic thought, or it might just be sarcastic or perceived as sarcastic. Even if you said, “It’s fantastic that America gives all those billions to Israel, but I think it should give even more”, just mentioning the subject is perceived as risky. It might start a debate where opposing views get equal time.
NEVER talk to the police, and never talk about the Jews. Rules to live by.
lol
“we send them over there so we don’t have to fight them over here”
Astounding how overt they’re suddenly being about this. Will the foxtards notice? The question answers itself.
But we are not giving them that much money. Or at least that is the argument I’ve been hearing. In past exchanges on this blog some commenters have pointed out that the $3-plus billion dollar annual subsidy amounts to only about 1 percent of Israeli GDP. Further since most of the money is spent on US weapons, the money is just US corporate welfare.
So based on the above, is it really necessary to continue to give them this amount? It’s insignificant and comes with too many strings attached. Israel would do better without this crutch.
Israel needs no force multiplier in the middle east. In checking the inventory of the IDF, I was very surprised to see just how powerful the IDF was. Outside the USA I don’t think any other nation compares with the Israeli Air Force. Russia and China possibly can match them in numbers, but not quality of frontline fighters. Israel’s air force is superior to the RAF, French, Germans, etc. I knew they were strong, but did not know they were that strong.
Their ground forces are nothing to laugh at either. They have almost 3ooo tanks. And of course they have the nuclear option. They can more than repel anyone who attacks them. I don’t even think the Russians or Chinese could attack Israel conventionally on her home turf. They don’t have the force projection even if they do have larger armies.
I am surprised by guys like Indyk, Boot and others who are publicly fretting over this. It makes Israel look weak, when she isn’t.
https://youtu.be/n0uFnDbgYTc
The Kornet is Russian made and partly explains why they hate on the Russians so much.
Of course Israel is incapable of invading Iraq or destabilising Syria, plus it is always better to get others to fight your wars.
Start with two sets, one having n1 units and the other having n2 units, both armed with effective projectile arms. One can model the lethality of an individual unit by projectiles/(unit second). The combat power (casualties inflicted/second) _of the set_, however, is given by n^2, the square of n, . Three times the units, nine times the combat power. Tripling the lethality of each individual unit will triple set lethality. Tripling number n, however, will give 9 times the combat power. (If this is unclear, the Wikipedia article does a much better job of exposition))Lanchester's work was done during WW I. One hopes it was not used to justify continued attrition warfare, which proved to be a disaster for all sides.In short, quantity beats quality. Granted that Lanchester's model is very crude, it tends to hold in conflicts that involve prolonged attrition contests between armies: quantity really does have a quality all its own.
US cold war strategy used Lanchester's law successfully by relying on very powerful standoff weapons was developed to engage numerically superior opponents, and that strategy more or less worked (and was opposed by the Yankees and by New York City, two US subcultures).So the Israeli's are up against Lanchster's Law. They are trying to combat it with standoff weapons and physical obstacles that prevent attrition contests. Maybe that approach will succeed. However, the US "mere" 3*10^9 USDollars/year doesn't just sell them weapons, it sells them US R&D and construction facilities that Israel couldn't afford on their own, and may well be crucial to a successful Israeli strategy of standoff engagements. And, you were a bit obvious in trying to make 3 billion sound like nothing. One gets the impression that, since 3 is a small number, so is 3 billion. You also compared the 3 billion in weapons to the _entire Israeli civil and military economy_. That's the old "US military spending is only 5% of the US economy_ argument. Sure, 5%, but a lot of money nonetheless. I could counter by saying "OK, it's 1%. Only 1%, Israel wouldn't miss something that small, Israel doesn't need it, so why send it to to Israel?" Not quite the line of thought you had in mind, I believe. Gotta watch these rhetorical arguments, they can get out of hand.Counterinsurgency
Hezbollah didn't do too badly.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/282/863/fb5.jpg
Of course you do, if it weren’t for the “Israelis” you’d probably be working on a white man’s plantation back where your parents came from, though I’m sure you’d make a formidable foreman.
Syria is in shambles(due to violation of its borders) while Israel is walled and safe, but the moral issue is "What about Israel?"
Sick. US is a gangster state.
CORRECTION: US is a captive state.
If we take in dumb immigrants, won’t they have dumb kids?
That’s a benefit, from the point of view of employers. A low-IQ docile population is the dream of every ruling class. Blacks and whites aren’t particularly docile – until given enough drugs and entertainment that they become almost useless. Latinos are better suited to a world that needs nannies, gardeners and landscapers, not skilled factory workers and miners.
How about Sweden’s?
As Switzerland shows, neutrality with teeth (and hills) can be an effective and long-lasting policy.
I wonder who Indyk thinks he is addressing – other bluechecks?
P.S. I just looked and Indyk doesn’t have the blue tick of Twitter authentication – surprising.
Why do we give Israel so much money?
So Israel can prove to the world that we’re it’s b**ch.
https://www.amren.com/news/2018/12/kick-them-out-syrian-women-tell-europe-to-send-men-home-to-rebuild-country/
Stand with Syrian women. “Give us our men back.”
As Switzerland shows, neutrality with teeth (and hills) can be an effective and long-lasting policy.
Not even close to the quality and quantity of Israel. However, much respect to Sweden for designing and building their own indigenous fighter which is pretty darn good. Though they did build the engine under license from the US.
Did Trump get approval for this from Jared and the other Zionists that are his betters???
“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
The answer is we don’t give Israel “so much money.” We give them weapons, not money, and they give us useful feedback and testing on them.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let’s just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don’t see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Israelis do the weapons testing for an ultra-low $3.8 billion a year. It's the work Americans just won't do. Otherwise the weapons would rot in the fields, untested.
And thanks for repeating the Israeli propaganda. But you should save that for people who haven't worked alongside Israelis. They don't give us "useful feedback" - we get that just fine from our own endless wars. What they do is take our military technology, spread it to their military industry, which due to the high cost of autarky, now has to find foreign buyers, including China.
You see, I was in Israel to liaise with Israeli intel and security people. I like Israelis, especially the Sabras (I have a more mixed opinion of Diaspora Jews, rather like that anti-Semite Martin van Creveld, formerly of Hebrew University of Jerusalem and I have an especially dim view of those Jews who made Aliyah to play cowboys in West Bank, er, I mean Judea and Samaria). I don't begrudge Israelis hustling to benefit their country one bit. Good for them.
I just want my country, more accurately my country's government, to do the same for my country and its people. And that includes maintaining a friendly relationship with Israeli, but not subsidizing its military and industry.
They were massacred em masse when Christian Europeans conquered and sacked Jerusalem.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/Fighting Israel's Wars: How the United States military has become Zionized
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#commentsAmerica's Jews Are Driving America's Wars: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898
The Crusaders were fanatical Christians who went into anti-Semitic frenzies and committed pogroms.
The Ottomans were a military power.
True, we went from supposed dual loyalty to overt loyalty to Israel first, to denying the Iraq War had anything to do with Israel to insisting forces should stay in Syria for Israel.
If we take in dumb immigrants, won’t they have dumb kids?
If they do, that will be because of white racism, which will further prove the need for more dumb immigrants who will vote Democrat and help smash white racism. When white racism is finally smashed, no-one will be dumb, poor and oppressed except those who deserve to be. And we all know who will deserve to be.
The IDF do not have the capability to attack Hezbollah, that would require the heavy bombers that only the US can deploy. Also the deterrence factor of inflicting sufficient damage on the Israeli home front through rockets and the IDF through Kornets is sufficient for Hezbollah and now the Palestinian groups. See the recent failed raid in Gaza when a barrage of rockets were fired in to Israel and a Kornet blew up a bus, just after it unloaded a bunch of IDF soldiers, in retaliation.
The Kornet is Russian made and partly explains why they hate on the Russians so much.
Of course Israel is incapable of invading Iraq or destabilising Syria, plus it is always better to get others to fight your wars.
Re the Kornet. Thanks for the video link. I did not know that happened.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Totally. $38 billion over 10 years is chump change, eh Lot?
Israelis do the weapons testing for an ultra-low $3.8 billion a year. It’s the work Americans just won’t do. Otherwise the weapons would rot in the fields, untested.
$38B for “the wall”. Should make it thru Congress, the Senate (how could Schumer say no to such a gift for his country) and Trump would surely sign. As long at least ~25% of that 38 actually makes it into the wall; I’d call it a Trump “win” all around. Israel makes a nice fat profit, gets even better at building walls, and we get, well, at least we would get something.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Not getting your point here.
It’s not our problem if the Arabs overrun Israel. At all. Won’t change the price of bread in Des Moines.
Besides, the Israelis have the bomb and have kicked Arab ass soundly in multiple wars. Quite confident they can take care of themselves against the disorganized rabble in the neighborhood.
I’ll repeat. Not our problem. If you personally want to give them weapons (not money *heh*), more power to you. I want my tax money staying in America, helping working families instead of propping up irrelevant foreign states.
Local power over Syria (in 2019) in rough order and their core interests:
Assad – Syrian sovereignty under Assad.
America –
Iran -Iranian hegemony over Syria.
Russia –
Turkey – No Kurdistan.
Israel – No Iran in Syria.
Rebels – No Assad.
Hezbollah – Iranian hegemony over Syria.
Kurds – Independence.
Gulf States –
Note that Assad’s and Iran’s aims clash the more defeated the rebels are. Also, note how Israel’s aims and Assad’s have coalesced.
The Middle East is a complicated place and the anti-Israel obsessives in the West no more get the ever-shifting interests and alliances than do their doppelgangers like Max Boot.
What Arabs are going to invade Israel with tanks? Egypt? Syria? Iraq? Lebanon? Jordan? Libya? Saudi Arabia? Yemen?
I’m not seeing it …
Let YHWH sort it out, it’s all too much for me..
War is certainly coming. I mean real State to State War. Iran and Turkey both dream of empire.
France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Netherlands etc do not come close to Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, the Gulf and Turkey. Jordan alone has twice the tanks of Germany. Of course using these forces is entirely another matter, as the Muslims only seem adept at using them on each other and usually in genocidal fashion. Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Lebanon, Iraq all have been in various stages of civil war in the last few decades. Still I can see how numbers of this size would make the Israelis a bit careful.
The fact that Mr. Indyk actually calls the US Israel’s force multiplier is disturbing. A force multiplier is a piece of gear your troops use to make them more effective than they otherwise would be.
It’s probably more polite than auxiliaries, though.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Patient to doctor: Yeah I know I look a bit skinny but let me tell you about the amazing benefits of this tapeworm.
Israelis do the weapons testing for an ultra-low $3.8 billion a year. It's the work Americans just won't do. Otherwise the weapons would rot in the fields, untested.
The Israelis don’t kill negative reports about the weapons we sell them at a discount, unlike American generals who want jobs with defense contractors after they retire.
A truly staggering lack of self-awareness.
LeBron says they have all the money anyway, so this is killing two birds with one stone!
How about "feed two bird with one scone"?
Indyk is formerly an Australian Jew who decided in his 20s to devote his life to Israel.
( He had previously unsuccessfully attempted to join the Australian Foreign Service )
Of course he knew that the best way to achieve his aims was to become a US citizen and join the American Establishment
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Thank the stars Britain expended wealth and blood of her Empire. Why just look at the shining example Greece provides the West today as a model of excellence for all to emulate.
If only there was a Muslim State that had nukes. And if only such a State was adjacent to another nuclear State but non-Muslim that would suffer from fallout if the Muslim state suffered nuclear retaliation.
Let YHWH sort it out, it’s all too much for me..
Lanchester’s laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanchester%27s_laws)
Start with two sets, one having n1 units and the other having n2 units, both armed with effective projectile arms. One can model the lethality of an individual unit by projectiles/(unit second). The combat power (casualties inflicted/second) _of the set_, however, is given by n^2, the square of n, . Three times the units, nine times the combat power. Tripling the lethality of each individual unit will triple set lethality. Tripling number n, however, will give 9 times the combat power. (If this is unclear, the Wikipedia article does a much better job of exposition))
Lanchester’s work was done during WW I. One hopes it was not used to justify continued attrition warfare, which proved to be a disaster for all sides.
In short, quantity beats quality. Granted that Lanchester’s model is very crude, it tends to hold in conflicts that involve prolonged attrition contests between armies: quantity really does have a quality all its own.
US cold war strategy used Lanchester’s law successfully by relying on very powerful standoff weapons was developed to engage numerically superior opponents, and that strategy more or less worked (and was opposed by the Yankees and by New York City, two US subcultures).
So the Israeli’s are up against Lanchster’s Law. They are trying to combat it with standoff weapons and physical obstacles that prevent attrition contests. Maybe that approach will succeed. However, the US “mere” 3*10^9 USDollars/year doesn’t just sell them weapons, it sells them US R&D and construction facilities that Israel couldn’t afford on their own, and may well be crucial to a successful Israeli strategy of standoff engagements.
And, you were a bit obvious in trying to make 3 billion sound like nothing. One gets the impression that, since 3 is a small number, so is 3 billion. You also compared the 3 billion in weapons to the _entire Israeli civil and military economy_. That’s the old “US military spending is only 5% of the US economy_ argument. Sure, 5%, but a lot of money nonetheless. I could counter by saying “OK, it’s 1%. Only 1%, Israel wouldn’t miss something that small, Israel doesn’t need it, so why send it to to Israel?” Not quite the line of thought you had in mind, I believe. Gotta watch these rhetorical arguments, they can get out of hand.
Counterinsurgency
Sad.
If I’ve learned nothing else in my many decades on this planet, I can say with absolute certainty, sure as the sun will cross the sky: Jews are constitutionally incapable of self-awareness. I swear its at some biochemical or physiologically fundamental level, like albinos’ susceptability to sunburn. One day they’ll isolate a damned allele for it every single Hebrew carries.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Israel is the Kingdom of Jerusalem and not, you know, a Jewish state.
Give Israel more Jews or give Jews more Israels. How about turning New York City into an American Singapore but for Jews and those who can live with them? There’s more than one Disneyland so why can’t there be more than one Israel? That’s how it used to be done, before Emancipation. Zionism is all about declaring Jewish Emancipation a failed experiment, so let’s just carry on Theodor Herzl’s project on far less contested territory.
Talking publicly about the Jews is like talking to the police: there is no benefit or other reason to do it whatsoever that will be helpful to you, and there is infinite likeliehood, nearing certainty, it will in some way harm you.
NEVER talk to the police, and never talk about the Jews. Rules to live by.
The United States was settled and founded by British Protestants -- I'll talk about that.
The ancestral core of the USA is European Christian -- I'll talk about that.
The ruling class of the American Empire is WASP/JEW -- I'll talk about that.
The JEW element in the WASP/JEW ruling class is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy the national sovereignty and cultural cohesion of the USA -- I'll talk about that.
Many JEWS want the US military to continue to be used as muscle to fight wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia -- I'll talk about that.
GOP voters want the truth that will save the USA from nation-wrecking mass immigration and will stop the unnecessary wars overseas that only benefit Israel.
The JEWS are part of the WASP/JEW ruling class -- I'll talk about the JEWS and the WASPs.
Assad - Syrian sovereignty under Assad.
America -
Iran -Iranian hegemony over Syria.
Russia -
Turkey - No Kurdistan.
Israel - No Iran in Syria.
Rebels - No Assad.
Hezbollah - Iranian hegemony over Syria.
Kurds - Independence.
Gulf States -
Note that Assad's and Iran's aims clash the more defeated the rebels are. Also, note how Israel's aims and Assad's have coalesced.
The Middle East is a complicated place and the anti-Israel obsessives in the West no more get the ever-shifting interests and alliances than do their doppelgangers like Max Boot.
On a phone so I won’t say much, but it’s instructive to make a similar list for the beginning of the Syrian Civil War. Parties much the same as you describe, but perceived interests quite different. “Wrecking Syria” has never struck me as a core US policy objective. But we’ve done our share. “Syrian Democracy” has been something for sharks and cynics to peddle to fools.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Little or much money doesn’t matter. We shouldn’t give Israel any money. Heck, Israel should be paying us.
And thanks for repeating the Israeli propaganda. But you should save that for people who haven’t worked alongside Israelis. They don’t give us “useful feedback” – we get that just fine from our own endless wars. What they do is take our military technology, spread it to their military industry, which due to the high cost of autarky, now has to find foreign buyers, including China.
You see, I was in Israel to liaise with Israeli intel and security people. I like Israelis, especially the Sabras (I have a more mixed opinion of Diaspora Jews, rather like that anti-Semite Martin van Creveld, formerly of Hebrew University of Jerusalem and I have an especially dim view of those Jews who made Aliyah to play cowboys in West Bank, er, I mean Judea and Samaria). I don’t begrudge Israelis hustling to benefit their country one bit. Good for them.
I just want my country, more accurately my country’s government, to do the same for my country and its people. And that includes maintaining a friendly relationship with Israeli, but not subsidizing its military and industry.
You mean the people on the front line of Islamification resistance?
Yeah poop on them some more why don't ya.
LOL. Ran out of the button. That was funny, sir.
I don’t even think the Russians or Chinese could attack Israel conventionally on her home turf. They don’t have the force projection even if they do have larger armies.
Hezbollah didn’t do too badly.
Is dick Cheney’s daughter a senator or congressperson? I was watching CBS on Sunday morning, and she was hawking the usual neocon drivel. When discussing the withdrawal of troops from Seria, she said that we are there because we were attacked on 9-11, because 3000 Americans were killed. I was stunned. These people are not stupid, they know what they are doing and they are evil. They are bought and sold by defense contractors. Not that I have a problem with defense contractors, I support the troops. But is it wise to continue fighting in Syria when we don’t have any clear goals to accomplish? And this Liz cheyne, is she representing your or my best interests? What is she representing, does she even know?
Let me quote her verbatim.
“We’re there because we were attacked. We were attacked on 9-11 that’s why we are in Afghanistan. And in Syria you’ve got isis and iran.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-liz-cheney-on-face-the-nation-december-23-2018/..”
At one point I had done some pretty good research, and figured out that the whole Syrian civil war was about natural gas an competing pipelines. But That was a while ago, and the details are hazy. So now I’m not going to use facts to back up my arguments. We should probably leave Syria, and we should definitely leave Afghanistan. If we haven’t accomplished our mission yet in twenty years, then we should definitely leave.
I wonder if Liz Cheney pays taxes? How does she feel that 20 years into the forever war and we’ve accomplished nothing?
Would she vote for 20 more years? How would 40 years of forever wars without accomplishing anything make her feel? Is that her goal? Because to me that looks to be her goal, wasting 20 years blood fuel and ordinance and accomplishing nothing. Tacking onto our trillions in debt. Does she have any children? Does she even care about American citizens or our progeny.
As a British citizen I would like to thank Donald Trump for having British troops come home from Syria.
Thank you Prsident Trump.
NEVER talk to the police, and never talk about the Jews. Rules to live by.
COWARD
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Jews were actively aligned with their genetic cousins, largely arab muslims, in the crusades, reconquista, byzantine etc
They were massacred em masse when Christian Europeans conquered and sacked Jerusalem.
Give them*
Let YHWH sort it out, it’s all too much for me..
Pakistan. Adjacent to India. Iran or Saudis should gain nuclear weapons to force regional settlement. Trump should tie further aid to peace agreement.
And quite honestly I am surprised that Iran has not yet acquired the nuclear capability.
They have the required high level scientific and engineering talent to accomplish the task.
NEVER talk to the police, and never talk about the Jews. Rules to live by.
True. If someone speaks adoringly of Jews, the Jews themselves will have contempt for him. If someone speaks ill of them, they will try to destroy him. The best thing is to get on with life, make oneself impervious to Jewish whims and hysterics and help other people do the same.
One of the biggest problems with taking up “naming the Jew” as one’s life task is that one’s teammates are overwhelmingly idiots. For every smart person practising Jew-diligence, there are eight morons crying wolf every five minutes. Just have a look at the comments here at Unz.com underneath any article on Jews or the Alt-Right.
Assad - Syrian sovereignty under Assad.
America -
Iran -Iranian hegemony over Syria.
Russia -
Turkey - No Kurdistan.
Israel - No Iran in Syria.
Rebels - No Assad.
Hezbollah - Iranian hegemony over Syria.
Kurds - Independence.
Gulf States -
Note that Assad's and Iran's aims clash the more defeated the rebels are. Also, note how Israel's aims and Assad's have coalesced.
The Middle East is a complicated place and the anti-Israel obsessives in the West no more get the ever-shifting interests and alliances than do their doppelgangers like Max Boot.
Are you sure “the anti-Israel obsessives in the West” doesn’t actually mean “those Westerners who wonder exactly what America gets in return for its 4.8 billion annually“?
Just asking. And to be fair one could ask the same about the cash which heads for the Egyptian junta. What’s in it for America?
Interesting aside, is Israel the only recipient of substantial US largesse whose people are properly grateful? Did you know that you can't walk in the centre of Jerusalem without seeing a #MAGA red skullcap for sale?
Pakistan for sure.
And quite honestly I am surprised that Iran has not yet acquired the nuclear capability.
They have the required high level scientific and engineering talent to accomplish the task.
And thanks for repeating the Israeli propaganda. But you should save that for people who haven't worked alongside Israelis. They don't give us "useful feedback" - we get that just fine from our own endless wars. What they do is take our military technology, spread it to their military industry, which due to the high cost of autarky, now has to find foreign buyers, including China.
You see, I was in Israel to liaise with Israeli intel and security people. I like Israelis, especially the Sabras (I have a more mixed opinion of Diaspora Jews, rather like that anti-Semite Martin van Creveld, formerly of Hebrew University of Jerusalem and I have an especially dim view of those Jews who made Aliyah to play cowboys in West Bank, er, I mean Judea and Samaria). I don't begrudge Israelis hustling to benefit their country one bit. Good for them.
I just want my country, more accurately my country's government, to do the same for my country and its people. And that includes maintaining a friendly relationship with Israeli, but not subsidizing its military and industry.
Well said.
What does Cleavon Little think of Maria Bartiromo’s cleavage?
We can’t ask Cleavon because he croaked in 1992.
Would Maria Bartiromo have muffed that hold on the famous kick attempt like Romo did? Would she be wearing those white gloves?
The stawk mahket is an asset bubble set to implode when the interest rates and the Fed balance sheet returns to something close to normal.
Maria Bartiromo can pronounce “stock market” any way she likes.
Israel is not an ally of the United States.
Israel is a strategic millstone client state of the American Empire.
Israel must be completely and totally severed from any and all relationships with all elements of the American Empire.
Any electronic tentacles that Israel has sunk into the American Empire due to the treasonous rats in the American Empire’s ruling class must be ripped out. Israeli electronic goons have their grubby fingers over our electronics and they covered up that Israeli Jew kid making threatening phone calls to Jew outfits in the USA.
Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and Haim Saban should be denounced for putting the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the USA. Any treasonous rat GOP politician whore who takes money from Adelson and Singer should be voted out of office. That includes Trump.
Haim Saban is the Jew sonofabitch who pays Democrat Party politician whores to put the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the USA.
AMERICA FIRST!
DAMMIT!
Oy vey goy! Didn’t you hear about the 600 gogorillion?!??!?!?!
Good question. Here is my question:
Tweet from 2014:
Iran. Means and motive. Regime insurance as the young chafe at the Mullahs. As the Mullahs dream of a new Persian empire.
War is certainly coming. I mean real State to State War. Iran and Turkey both dream of empire.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
“The answer is we don’t give Israel “so much money.” We give them weapons, not money, and they give us useful feedback and testing on them. ”
Get outta here.
The True Cost of Parasite Israel: Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/
Fighting Israel’s Wars: How the United States military has become Zionized
https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/
Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments
America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898
Why do we give Israel so much money?
That can be answered by a question. How many American politicians do the Israelis own?
That can be through bribery, blackmail, or both. For example, does anyone really believe Jeffrey Epstein was simply a really smart options trader with a weakness for under age girls? Or, does it seem more likely that he was working for the Israelis from the get go? It might be interesting to know how much video they have on American politicians as they were enjoying his “hospitality”. Given Bill Clintons frequent visits to Epstein’s island I could imagine how pro-Israel a HRC presidency would have been.
The Israelis are smart enough to know the easiest way to get what they want is to buy or blackmail enough members of Congress to steer things in their direction. And, given the feckless nature of our political class they have plenty of prospects.
Israel needs no force multiplier in the middle east. In checking the inventory of the IDF, I was very surprised to see just how powerful the IDF was. Outside the USA I don’t think any other nation compares with the Israeli Air Force. Russia and China possibly can match them in numbers, but not quality of frontline fighters. Israel’s air force is superior to the RAF, French, Germans, etc. I knew they were strong, but did not know they were that strong.
Their ground forces are nothing to laugh at either. They have almost 3ooo tanks. And of course they have the nuclear option. They can more than repel anyone who attacks them. I don’t even think the Russians or Chinese could attack Israel conventionally on her home turf. They don’t have the force projection even if they do have larger armies.
Israeli propaganda. Pretty much any European army would crush the IDF.
Russia probably has the best ground force in the world. Israel’s “front line fighters” are low quality draftees. Let’s see what the IDF could do with its own weapons.
The IDF could not repel a Russian or Chinese invasion and it doesn’t matter because it’s not going to happen.
Israelis do the weapons testing for an ultra-low $3.8 billion a year. It's the work Americans just won't do. Otherwise the weapons would rot in the fields, untested.
Moses, In reference to your “It’s the work Americans just won’t do”: how ‘bout we we give/pay/hire Israel for something they are known to be world beaters at, that we could really use?
$38B for “the wall”. Should make it thru Congress, the Senate (how could Schumer say no to such a gift for his country) and Trump would surely sign. As long at least ~25% of that 38 actually makes it into the wall; I’d call it a Trump “win” all around. Israel makes a nice fat profit, gets even better at building walls, and we get, well, at least we would get something.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Only they weren’t and they couldn’t. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth economy was in ruins after years of constant warfare with Turks, Swedes and Russians. Helping Austrians was the only chance to recover territories lost to Ottomans and secure borders.
Vienna would have been sacked but was too remote for the Ottomans to ultimately conquer. The Ottomans would either have set up a vassel state that broke free at the first early opportunity, or else had another one of their long disastrous withdrawals.
Instead Sobieski saved Europe's greatest interior city from rape, kidnap, murder and pillage.
If US must be global and borderless, the implication is Americans should see ALL peoples around the world as equal brothers and sisters.
Then, why should US foreign policy be favoritist for Israel and Jews. Isn’t that like privileging whites over non-whites in the US? Why should US politicians and pundits drone on and on and on about ‘what is good for Israel’ without any regard to what is good or bad for Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians, Russians, Libyans, and etc?
Jewish globalists berate Americans for being ‘racist’ and ‘exclusive’ and not welcoming ALL people on the basis of equality, BUT they insist that All Americans must favor Israel and Jewish interests in the Middle East(and Eastern Europe and Russia) over all other considerations.
So, it seems Jews attacked Wasp privilege not to end privilege for all but to replace it with Jewish Priority. It’s like Jews once promoted free speech not for the universal principle of free speech but merely as a Jewish weapon to gain power so that they could, one day, shut down the speech of others.
“If Iran attacks Israel, Russia will stand alongside the US to defend Israel,” The Russian ambassador gave Israel that assurance at the Munich security conference earlier this year.
Leaders of the house DeLay and Amery said America would destroy any country that attacked Israel so did Bush I think. The only reason that US politicians do not still make such statements is that the Israelis asked them to stop publicly saying it.
NEVER talk to the police, and never talk about the Jews. Rules to live by.
What if Jews figure importantly in life, in reality? How is it possible not to speak of aspects of life?
American Jews are the least self-aware people on the planet. They still have not figured out that in America they are among the wealthy ruling elite, and they are not the poor oppressed Jews of Fiddler on the Roof. Unfortunately, every time that movie is played, it reinforces their bizarre view of themselves. Israelis on the other hand seem quite aware of their position. I see no indication they are panicking over the US leaving Syria at all. Their chief of staff seems relatively unconcerned. I would assume he speaks for the Israeli security establishment and not some American Jewish Trump hating talking head.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-army-chief-u-s-leaving-syria-is-significant-but-we-shouldn-t-exaggerate-1.6768565
The amount of modern weapons that the Arab and Muslim world together possesses is enormous, far, far outstripping NATO. Just look at the figures. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_level_of_military_equipment
France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Netherlands etc do not come close to Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, the Gulf and Turkey. Jordan alone has twice the tanks of Germany. Of course using these forces is entirely another matter, as the Muslims only seem adept at using them on each other and usually in genocidal fashion. Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Lebanon, Iraq all have been in various stages of civil war in the last few decades. Still I can see how numbers of this size would make the Israelis a bit careful.
And thanks for repeating the Israeli propaganda. But you should save that for people who haven't worked alongside Israelis. They don't give us "useful feedback" - we get that just fine from our own endless wars. What they do is take our military technology, spread it to their military industry, which due to the high cost of autarky, now has to find foreign buyers, including China.
You see, I was in Israel to liaise with Israeli intel and security people. I like Israelis, especially the Sabras (I have a more mixed opinion of Diaspora Jews, rather like that anti-Semite Martin van Creveld, formerly of Hebrew University of Jerusalem and I have an especially dim view of those Jews who made Aliyah to play cowboys in West Bank, er, I mean Judea and Samaria). I don't begrudge Israelis hustling to benefit their country one bit. Good for them.
I just want my country, more accurately my country's government, to do the same for my country and its people. And that includes maintaining a friendly relationship with Israeli, but not subsidizing its military and industry.
“to play cowboys in West Bank”
You mean the people on the front line of Islamification resistance?
Yeah poop on them some more why don’t ya.
Hey, which group is originating and spreading these dehumanizing ideas?
And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and “Islamification” of the West Bank. So, again, save your propaganda for someone who hasn’t been to Beit Jala.
I would possibly reconsider my refusal to participate in elections if a presidential candidate pledged that once they assumed office to remind Israel in no uncertain terms that they are not the 51st state of the US and are capable of taking care of themselves without US money or arms. And then turned off the spigot.
You mean the people on the front line of Islamification resistance?
Yeah poop on them some more why don't ya.
The West Bank is the frontline of the resistance to Jewish tyranny.
NEVER talk to the police, and never talk about the Jews. Rules to live by.
Steve says that when we lose the ability to talk of something we eventually lose the ability to think about it.
I only add that none of the mob denouncing my observation and painting me as a coward seems to have posted using his legal name; given that lack of self-awareness, perhaps they themselves are Jewish.....
I was more focused on the woman in the red dress. For some reason.
IAF is powerful but just comparing on wiki – the French, German and British airforces each outnumber the IAF in combat aircraft, transports, trainers, helicopters.
But of course, Israel isn't required to sign the NPT or to permit inspections so who knows?
Obviously the UK, France and Germany would have more economic muscle than Israel, assuming the US did not intervene. But just comparing the top of the line fighters, which are the backbone of those forces, the Israelis surprisingly have more and arguably better fighter aircraft than those European nations.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
I can’t even imagine a realistic scenario in which Israel undergoes a true existential threat.
What we are paying Israel a huge pile of money for is to assuage their paranoid anxieties.
But paranoia on their part is not a problem on our part.
Frankly, Zionists chose to set themselves up in a very hostile part of the world. If it now keeps them up at night despite their overwhelming defenses, well, they made their own bed.
The final years resemble the slow-motion Islamification of Lebanon.
You don't think this is a reasonable possibility for 20 years from now? Not likely, but enough to worry about.
"as I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'"
Exactly.
Our Lord spoke publicly, as did his Apostle, St. Paul, without fear of what pain the Jews and other worldlings could inflict on them in this life.
Watch the documentary “Defamation.”
It lays bare the insane paranoia of the tribe.
We should NOT be giving them any money at all.
It's probably more polite than auxiliaries, though.
One man’s force multiplier is another man’s bitch.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Israel sells and transfers a lot of those weapons to China.
The Crusaders were fanatical Christians who went into anti-Semitic frenzies and committed pogroms.
The Ottomans were a military power.
But the IAF is just better. Better in quality. Better pilots, better aircraft and equipment, better technology.
Lot’s “logic” is that if you have ever considered any sort of action to have been justified anywhere, at any time, in all of human history, then you must perforce enslave yourself to the greed and blood lust of the Sacred Tribe of Chosenites. Hard to argue with that…
You mean the people on the front line of Islamification resistance?
Yeah poop on them some more why don't ya.
Ha. If it weren’t for Israel and its partisans (like you) we wouldn’t have any troubles with Arabs to begin with. And far fewer “refugees”.
Looks like Maria Bartiromo.
You left out a little thing called nukes. A generation ago Israel’s stockpile was reliably estimated at between 200 and 300 warheads. Safe to say they’ve added to it a bit since then.
But of course, Israel isn’t required to sign the NPT or to permit inspections so who knows?
If you want to troll effectively, it helps if your comment makes some sense. This doesn’t even reach that minimal threshold.
The threat to Israel is an Islamified/Corbynized EU (even today it shovels billions to Palestinians). They BDS it, a woke Dem US president doesn’t join BDS but doesn’t oppose it much. This undermines the Israeli economy. Higher quality arson rockets keep coming from Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza. Then it gets Camp of Sainted, leading to an out migration of high skill Jews to the USA.
The final years resemble the slow-motion Islamification of Lebanon.
You don’t think this is a reasonable possibility for 20 years from now? Not likely, but enough to worry about.
“as I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see ‘the River Tiber foaming with much blood’”
Corbyn's not an Islamist or an anti-Semite. He's just pretty neutral vis a vis Israel/Palestine. For some people that is anti-Semitism.
But if you break down what aircraft each of those forces has, you can see that the Israelis have a quantitative and qualitative edge in fighter aircraft. Israel has over 300 top notch fighter aircraft while the RAF has around 200. Germany has about 220 fighters while France has under 200.
Obviously the UK, France and Germany would have more economic muscle than Israel, assuming the US did not intervene. But just comparing the top of the line fighters, which are the backbone of those forces, the Israelis surprisingly have more and arguably better fighter aircraft than those European nations.
Start with two sets, one having n1 units and the other having n2 units, both armed with effective projectile arms. One can model the lethality of an individual unit by projectiles/(unit second). The combat power (casualties inflicted/second) _of the set_, however, is given by n^2, the square of n, . Three times the units, nine times the combat power. Tripling the lethality of each individual unit will triple set lethality. Tripling number n, however, will give 9 times the combat power. (If this is unclear, the Wikipedia article does a much better job of exposition))Lanchester's work was done during WW I. One hopes it was not used to justify continued attrition warfare, which proved to be a disaster for all sides.In short, quantity beats quality. Granted that Lanchester's model is very crude, it tends to hold in conflicts that involve prolonged attrition contests between armies: quantity really does have a quality all its own.
US cold war strategy used Lanchester's law successfully by relying on very powerful standoff weapons was developed to engage numerically superior opponents, and that strategy more or less worked (and was opposed by the Yankees and by New York City, two US subcultures).So the Israeli's are up against Lanchster's Law. They are trying to combat it with standoff weapons and physical obstacles that prevent attrition contests. Maybe that approach will succeed. However, the US "mere" 3*10^9 USDollars/year doesn't just sell them weapons, it sells them US R&D and construction facilities that Israel couldn't afford on their own, and may well be crucial to a successful Israeli strategy of standoff engagements. And, you were a bit obvious in trying to make 3 billion sound like nothing. One gets the impression that, since 3 is a small number, so is 3 billion. You also compared the 3 billion in weapons to the _entire Israeli civil and military economy_. That's the old "US military spending is only 5% of the US economy_ argument. Sure, 5%, but a lot of money nonetheless. I could counter by saying "OK, it's 1%. Only 1%, Israel wouldn't miss something that small, Israel doesn't need it, so why send it to to Israel?" Not quite the line of thought you had in mind, I believe. Gotta watch these rhetorical arguments, they can get out of hand.Counterinsurgency
Thanks for the link. I am a military history buff, but have never seen Lanchester’s laws before.
Military modeling is quite a large field, although not usually done all that well. As far as I can tell, it doesn't quite understand the idea of Monte Carlo simulations. Those use probability distributions to select the behavior of everything that isn't deterministic (e.g., probability of hitting a target, or near a target, is simulated. Probability of nearly constant things, such as vehicle speed, is simulated as a constant. One simulates what one hopes are the important things, then runs the simulation very many times to get some idea of the range of likely outcomes. This gives the margin of error that the Germans didn't have in their WW I submarine warfare model, and it should be ideal for modeling battles, especially naval battles, which have fewer combat units and fewer places to hide.
Please let me know what was done with Lanchester's work during WW I. I'm interested.
It's amazing how much is written about military affairs and how little of it discusses crucial variables. If you haven't seen it already, James F. Dunnigan's _How to Make War_ is unusually blunt. I've found Jonathan Shay's _Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character_ useful as well, when matched with Robert Fagel's translation of the Illiad.
Counterinsurgency
https://youtu.be/n0uFnDbgYTc
The Kornet is Russian made and partly explains why they hate on the Russians so much.
Of course Israel is incapable of invading Iraq or destabilising Syria, plus it is always better to get others to fight your wars.
You bring up some interesting points. But I don’t think Israel lacks the ability to attack Hezbollah due to their lack of heavy bombers. Israel has the F-15I which is their version of the Strike Eagle. This is a not a heavy bomber like a B-52, but the Strike Eagle carries a large payload when compared to other fighters. Also, the US uses heavies not just because they carry a lot of ordnance, but because they have great range. Since Israel is right next door to Hezbollah’s bases in Lebanon this does not present a problem. And it allows for quick turnaround flights. So I think the F-15Is and the F-16Is could attack Hezbollah.
Re the Kornet. Thanks for the video link. I did not know that happened.
You mean the people on the front line of Islamification resistance?
Yeah poop on them some more why don't ya.
Yeah being a radical muslim is the only reason anyone would object to having their land seized. Sort of like anyone who objects to open borders for goy countries MUST be a “racist.” because there are literally no rational reasons to object to either of those things.
Hey, which group is originating and spreading these dehumanizing ideas?
Being a muslim means you are perpetually at war with the rest of humanity.
The Muslims have seized North Africa, Turkey and the Levant from Christendom, or from the West, whichever you prefer.
And in return we are not getting any Nobel Prizes. We get terror, hatred, rape, crime and special pleading.
So I don't care if any muslim country loses their land. Too bad. When they give Constantinople back to the Orthodox Church, then I might think about their poor poor loss of land.
The final years resemble the slow-motion Islamification of Lebanon.
You don't think this is a reasonable possibility for 20 years from now? Not likely, but enough to worry about.
"as I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'"
Yeah, those sound like problems. But they are their problems. Maybe your problems. But certainly not our problems.
Syria is in shambles(due to violation of its borders) while Israel is walled and safe, but the moral issue is "What about Israel?"
Sick. US is a gangster state.
The shambles that is Syria has nothing to do with Israel. Syria was stable for decades after the Golan Heights (not at all a vital part of Syria but a convenient platform from which to shoot down at Israel) was taken. Israel did nothing to destabilize it. Israel is at fault only to the extent that the Jooz are at fault for everything bad that happens in the world.
The only time Israel attacks Syria is when the Iranians are moving war materiel thru it to Hezbollah. Israel was the best of enemies with Assad – they left each other alone and the situation at the border was quite stable. Israel made it very clear that it didn’t care which side won the Syrian civil war – a plague on both their houses – one is worse that the next but you can’t say which one. Their only ground rule was that both sides had to strictly respect Israeli sovereignty.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
No. We give them money. They use it to buy weapons. Money is fungible. Money they otherwise would have spent on weapons is money they can spend on something else. Or on more weapons. Regardless, the US gives them money.
The Liberty Incident certainly gave the USN a good opportunity to test its fire control systems and damage control procedures.
The Crusader Kingdoms lasted, how long? Maybe 150 years? They were irrelevant to the interests of any European people (not that King Richard would give a damn about what was in his people’s interest).
This presumes that Israel is to America what Vienna is to Europe. An entirely false equivalence
Translation: “Are you holding out on me, Ho!? Do I have to slap a bitch!?
NEVER talk to the police, and never talk about the Jews. Rules to live by.
All ethnicities in the USA must be talked about at all times.
The United States was settled and founded by British Protestants — I’ll talk about that.
The ancestral core of the USA is European Christian — I’ll talk about that.
The ruling class of the American Empire is WASP/JEW — I’ll talk about that.
The JEW element in the WASP/JEW ruling class is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy the national sovereignty and cultural cohesion of the USA — I’ll talk about that.
Many JEWS want the US military to continue to be used as muscle to fight wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia — I’ll talk about that.
GOP voters want the truth that will save the USA from nation-wrecking mass immigration and will stop the unnecessary wars overseas that only benefit Israel.
The JEWS are part of the WASP/JEW ruling class — I’ll talk about the JEWS and the WASPs.
Keep up your good work.
Obviously the UK, France and Germany would have more economic muscle than Israel, assuming the US did not intervene. But just comparing the top of the line fighters, which are the backbone of those forces, the Israelis surprisingly have more and arguably better fighter aircraft than those European nations.
If the United States got into a war with China, would Israel deploy its military to fight on the side of the United States?
The only time Israel attacks Syria is when the Iranians are moving war materiel thru it to Hezbollah. Israel was the best of enemies with Assad - they left each other alone and the situation at the border was quite stable. Israel made it very clear that it didn't care which side won the Syrian civil war - a plague on both their houses - one is worse that the next but you can't say which one. Their only ground rule was that both sides had to strictly respect Israeli sovereignty.
Sounds like Israel saw a civil war as being good for Israel.
You mean the people on the front line of Islamification resistance?
Yeah poop on them some more why don't ya.
One day Israel will suffer a catastrophic attack, and it will have been because Israelis did everything they could through Israeli “human rights” quangos to put German technology in Muslim hands.
https://youtu.be/n0uFnDbgYTc
The Kornet is Russian made and partly explains why they hate on the Russians so much.
Of course Israel is incapable of invading Iraq or destabilising Syria, plus it is always better to get others to fight your wars.
The luckiest thing that happened to Hamas was that the bus was empty. Had it been full and killed a bunch of Israeli soldiers, Israel would have had to unleash a shit ton of whoop-ass on them in retaliation. The Kornet does nothing to change the strategic equation in Gaza. Hamas exists only because they are minor nuisances to Israel which Israel is willing to tolerate in order to stay on good terms with European leftists – if they were to “succeed” in becoming an existential threat to Israel, then Israel would have no choice but to literally wipe them from the face of the earth regardless of how much the Guardian yelled. In the meantime, every bit of damage that they cause Israel is repaid tenfold by Israel so any marginal improvement in their capabilities ultimately just results in more destruction in Gaza without changing the outcome. The Kornet constitutes “deterrence” in the sense that Israel has to take their presence into account as a tactical matter but if Israel feels compelled to invade they are going to do what they have to do even at the price of incurring some casualties.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
“Trump is one or two furious neocon opeds away from naming the (((globalist))).”
This is just not true. The US doesn’t just write Israel a check and say, “spend it however you want”. It’s more like a voucher that is redeemable only by Israel and only at the US weapons supplier store where they charge inflated prices. That has some value but it’s not the same as real money.
Recently I stayed at the Sheraton in NY and they have some gimmick now where they charge you a $25 “resort fee” but they give you back a $25 voucher redeemable only within the hotel for room service, etc. That sounds somewhat fair until you find out that a glass of orange juice from room service is $10, a bagel is $15, etc. The money that I paid Sheraton was real money and fungible. The voucher that they gave back to me was funny money and not fungible at all. The US gives Israel funny money vouchers and not real money.
And - if it's such a shitty deal, as you imply, why does Israel want it? Why do so many people begin to vociferously object if anybody talks about stopping it?
“Ignores the role of US as force multiplier for Israeli deterrence. From here it’s a short step to Trump asking: why are we giving Israel so much money?”
Israeli deterrence or Israeli land grabs?
Israel can pay for its land grabs (apparently backed by the supposedly liberal human-rights enthusiasts at the Brookings Institution) on its own. The U.S. has big enough budget deficits and debt already. And just what interests with what agenda are funding the Brookings Institution? Is that outfit on the payroll?
Hey, which group is originating and spreading these dehumanizing ideas?
Being a muslim means they believe that Allah gave them the right to seize your land. It also means that a non-Muslim is a dhimmi, a second class citizen – as established by a 7th Century warlord – a situation that lasts forever. It also means if you leave Islam you are subject to the death penalty. It also means stoning as a punishment for adultery. It also means the dhimmi pays a special poll tax to the Muslims in “humiliation and submission”. It also means the world is divided into the Dar al Islam and the Dar al Harb: The abode of Islam and the abode of war. It also means that the unbeliever is najis – or unclean.
Being a muslim means you are perpetually at war with the rest of humanity.
The Muslims have seized North Africa, Turkey and the Levant from Christendom, or from the West, whichever you prefer.
And in return we are not getting any Nobel Prizes. We get terror, hatred, rape, crime and special pleading.
So I don’t care if any muslim country loses their land. Too bad. When they give Constantinople back to the Orthodox Church, then I might think about their poor poor loss of land.
Exactly. It demonstrates that you’ve been thinking about it. That’s… risky. For if you think the right thing today, you may well think the wrong thing tomorrow.
Good insight. Like if you observe that Asians are good at math, it implies that there might be another race that's not so good at math, or not so good academically in general. Dangerous territory, don't go there.
Sheesh, more speciesism.
How about “feed two bird with one scone”?
In 100,000 years the only chance more than the tiniest fragment of our DNA still exists is off planet colonies. Here on earth, anthropologists will be marveling at the discovery of Homo sapiens sapiens remnants as we marvel at neanderthalis today. By then we’ll be running Homo sapiens v176.12 (public beta).
Except that Israel doesn’t pay the “resort fee.”
Actually, over the long stretch, Britain did more to prop up the Ottomans than to take them down. And when it finally did make the decisive contribution to taking them down, it was only to birth an even thornier foreign relations problem: Israel.
The only time Israel attacks Syria is when the Iranians are moving war materiel thru it to Hezbollah. Israel was the best of enemies with Assad - they left each other alone and the situation at the border was quite stable. Israel made it very clear that it didn't care which side won the Syrian civil war - a plague on both their houses - one is worse that the next but you can't say which one. Their only ground rule was that both sides had to strictly respect Israeli sovereignty.
Yeah, you know, just how Israel respects everyone else’s sovereignty.
The final years resemble the slow-motion Islamification of Lebanon.
You don't think this is a reasonable possibility for 20 years from now? Not likely, but enough to worry about.
"as I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood'"
“the threat to Israel is an Islamified/Corbynized EU”
Corbyn’s not an Islamist or an anti-Semite. He’s just pretty neutral vis a vis Israel/Palestine. For some people that is anti-Semitism.
Sovereignty everywhere is respected only to the extent that the nation claiming sovereignty is willing and able to enforce it. Israel has the ability and willingness to back up its warnings – cross this line and you die. Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, etc. have the willingness but not the ability. The US has the ability but not the willingness to enforce its borders.
What do you mean?
Israeli deterrence or Israeli land grabs?
Israel can pay for its land grabs (apparently backed by the supposedly liberal human-rights enthusiasts at the Brookings Institution) on its own. The U.S. has big enough budget deficits and debt already. And just what interests with what agenda are funding the Brookings Institution? Is that outfit on the payroll?
Citation needed.
So you’ll be glad to see us quit giving aid to Israel, since it’s no good anyway
And the $3 billion we give them to spend on weapons with Raytheon or LockMart or whomever means they have $3 billion freed up from their own budget that they can spend on more weapons, or health care, or on West Bank settlements, or whatever they want. It’s not as if Israel is NOT going to spend at least $ 3 billion a year on weapons and related expenses. The money we give them is not like your phony example of a Hotel voucher. It’s like an employer giving an employee a housing allowance or a free car, or a matching pension contribution. Which means it’s compensation – effectively, giving them money.
And – if it’s such a shitty deal, as you imply, why does Israel want it? Why do so many people begin to vociferously object if anybody talks about stopping it?
You’re right again, Jack. Israel is well recognized internationally for being a huge respecter of other countries’ sovereignty. Even the Arabs admit it. “We may not think very highly of Israel,” they’ll tell you, “but we must confess: nobody respects our sovereignty the way Israel does.”
I think Lanchester’s work was the first serious operations research work done, but I’m not entirely sure. It was at worst the first piece of operations research that used modern mathematics. I think it is seldom mentioned because it’s discouraging. Men always half way regard battle as a dominance fight. Lanchester’s work suggests it’s just standing up and shooting until you get shot, and, worse yet, it fits real life data fairly well (better for naval engagements, but fairly well for large land engagements).
Military modeling is quite a large field, although not usually done all that well. As far as I can tell, it doesn’t quite understand the idea of Monte Carlo simulations. Those use probability distributions to select the behavior of everything that isn’t deterministic (e.g., probability of hitting a target, or near a target, is simulated. Probability of nearly constant things, such as vehicle speed, is simulated as a constant. One simulates what one hopes are the important things, then runs the simulation very many times to get some idea of the range of likely outcomes. This gives the margin of error that the Germans didn’t have in their WW I submarine warfare model, and it should be ideal for modeling battles, especially naval battles, which have fewer combat units and fewer places to hide.
Please let me know what was done with Lanchester’s work during WW I. I’m interested.
It’s amazing how much is written about military affairs and how little of it discusses crucial variables. If you haven’t seen it already, James F. Dunnigan’s _How to Make War_ is unusually blunt. I’ve found Jonathan Shay’s _Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character_ useful as well, when matched with Robert Fagel’s translation of the Illiad.
Counterinsurgency
Too bad Israel helped create Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO. It didn’t work out so well.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Being a muslim means you are perpetually at war with the rest of humanity.
The Muslims have seized North Africa, Turkey and the Levant from Christendom, or from the West, whichever you prefer.
And in return we are not getting any Nobel Prizes. We get terror, hatred, rape, crime and special pleading.
So I don't care if any muslim country loses their land. Too bad. When they give Constantinople back to the Orthodox Church, then I might think about their poor poor loss of land.
You hear that, you miserable Palestinian bastards? When you give back Constantinople, then maybe Ibound1 will care about your plight. Ball’s in your court.
They were massacred em masse when Christian Europeans conquered and sacked Jerusalem.
No they weren’t.
You’re not being as “fair” as you think you are. The payments to Egypt are also intended to benefit Israel.
And quite honestly I am surprised that Iran has not yet acquired the nuclear capability.
They have the required high level scientific and engineering talent to accomplish the task.
Doesn’t Israel keep assassinating them?
But Israel is right to fear Iran and their ability to build an atomic bomb.
Scientific excellence is not uncommon in Iran.
How much is the military equipment Israel buys with this “funny money” worth to Israel? $10 billion? $20 billion?
And - if it's such a shitty deal, as you imply, why does Israel want it? Why do so many people begin to vociferously object if anybody talks about stopping it?
No, it isn’t like that. The employer receives services in return for the compensation. The United States receives nothing. Nothing good, that is.
Excellent comment.
That’s right – I don’t give a flying F about any country but America, any people but Americans and I really don’t care for people whose religion demands my head or my submission. And I especially don’t care if a people who have irrendentist claims on everywhere lose a bit of land. Tough break.
Hezbollah didn't do too badly.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/282/863/fb5.jpg
And they’re going to do worse next time. The Israelis know about the tunnels now.
For if you think the right thing today, you may well think the wrong thing tomorrow.
Good insight. Like if you observe that Asians are good at math, it implies that there might be another race that’s not so good at math, or not so good academically in general. Dangerous territory, don’t go there.
You mean the people on the front line of Islamification resistance?
Yeah poop on them some more why don't ya.
Cowboys was what my Sabra minder/bodyguard called them. He grew up among Arabs, but also bled and killed (Arabs) for Israel. He had a highly negative view of these foreign Jews in West Bank settlements.
And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and “Islamification” of the West Bank. So, again, save your propaganda for someone who hasn’t been to Beit Jala.
This is a really good tell of an anti-Israel fanatic. As if there are ANY Christian minority populations that thrive under Islam.
No, Christians minorities can expect, at best something between dhimmitude (Egypt) and devil's bargains with tyrants (Baathist Iraq and Syria).
But in Twinkie's no-Israel fantasyland, there's a happy thriving Christian minority in Judea under Islamic rule. Would your happy Judenfrei Palestine be a liberal democracy too?
Thank you Thomas Friedman for your "argumentum ad random-dude-I-met-abroad-and-says-exactly-what-I-think."
Make the next one an Uber driver please.
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These pathetic individuals try to compensate for their social inadequacies by adopting what they see as a glamorous or respectable lifestyle.
"This walt tosser told me he was 22 SAS but I recognised him from Burger King."
Twinkie: what colour is the boat house in Hereford?
Sure; it’s the ole Sapir-Worf Hypothesis at work, and Steve’s right; that’s their goal. I add the other responses to my remark are bizarre misinterpretations of my point. I don’t say one should be afraid to do anything one pleases, or even that he should have to be in any sane world. I am merely emphasising the realpolitik of it. One should be able to talk to the constabulary without their being hostile, arrogant pricks as likely to accost and harass the innocent as the criminal, to set goofy perjury-traps during investigations, etc. – the man trying to report others’ crimes or offer helpful evidence used to be seen as a helpful witness, not another dirtbag peasant. One should be able to speak of Hebrews as much as any other people – but in The Current Year, anyone who does so does so at his great peril. It used to not be so; in the past police more commonly were and acted as members of the community, and Jews did’t have special privileges to lord over everyone else. Those were the halcyon and by-gone salad days when everyone more or less looked like you, spoke your language, followed your religion, shared your values, and so on. We have since of course, in our enlightened times, learned this made for weak and unpleasant societies, because Diversity is Strength. That’s why now that all the world is becoming a ployglot shit-hole, we all look back in horror upon the dreadful days of a middle-class, involved and empowered citizens, helpful and courteous police, and freedom to speak of tiny groups in foreign cults disparagingly when they were jerks without being Unpersoned. I thank God every day we’ve moved past all that.
I only add that none of the mob denouncing my observation and painting me as a coward seems to have posted using his legal name; given that lack of self-awareness, perhaps they themselves are Jewish…..
Military modeling is quite a large field, although not usually done all that well. As far as I can tell, it doesn't quite understand the idea of Monte Carlo simulations. Those use probability distributions to select the behavior of everything that isn't deterministic (e.g., probability of hitting a target, or near a target, is simulated. Probability of nearly constant things, such as vehicle speed, is simulated as a constant. One simulates what one hopes are the important things, then runs the simulation very many times to get some idea of the range of likely outcomes. This gives the margin of error that the Germans didn't have in their WW I submarine warfare model, and it should be ideal for modeling battles, especially naval battles, which have fewer combat units and fewer places to hide.
Please let me know what was done with Lanchester's work during WW I. I'm interested.
It's amazing how much is written about military affairs and how little of it discusses crucial variables. If you haven't seen it already, James F. Dunnigan's _How to Make War_ is unusually blunt. I've found Jonathan Shay's _Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character_ useful as well, when matched with Robert Fagel's translation of the Illiad.
Counterinsurgency
Dunnigan has some funny stories about us/mil wargaming research efforts.
Making the five boroughs of NYC another state and letting Upstate NY have two senators and a few of NY’s current Reps would be a good move, as would the creation of Jefferson State out of the top of California and a couple of Oregon counties.
-michael scheuer
The reality of Israel became quite clear to me in 2014 when an Israeli boat shelled a Gaza Beach and killed 4 teenagers. This was in broad daylight as well.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/israel-clears-military-gaza-beach-children
If you watch Benny Morris talk, it becomes quite clear why the 2 state solution will never happen. In short, a truly independent Palestinian state would quickly be flooded with Palestinian refugees dating as far back as 1948 and their descendents. This would then create pressure on Israel’s borders. The fundmental problem for Israel is that deep down, the Muslim world does not consider 1948 to be legitimate. And they are perfectly within their rights to not consider it legitimate.
In short, the Palestinian problem is intractable for Israel. It is the *real* issue and not Iran. Palestinian birthrates means that the pressure will only increase over time. The Jewish state is stuck.
The reason then, why we have this Iran nonsense going on, is that Israel and its allies need a distraction from the real issue of Palestine.
It also is the case that an expulsion of the remaining Palestinians can only occur in a time of crisis, similar to the past when this happened in 1948 and 1967. A war with Iran would be a suitable crisis to have.
Which is fine for them. But they mean to draw us into a bullshit war because they cannot get a handle on their own shit.
And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and “Islamification” of the West Bank. So, again, save your propaganda for someone who hasn’t been to Beit Jala.
“And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and “Islamification” of the West Bank”
This is a really good tell of an anti-Israel fanatic. As if there are ANY Christian minority populations that thrive under Islam.
No, Christians minorities can expect, at best something between dhimmitude (Egypt) and devil’s bargains with tyrants (Baathist Iraq and Syria).
But in Twinkie’s no-Israel fantasyland, there’s a happy thriving Christian minority in Judea under Islamic rule. Would your happy Judenfrei Palestine be a liberal democracy too?
And you are setting up intellectually dishonest false choices and straw men, e.g. Israeli occupation and exile of Christian Arabs and on the one hand or "Islamist" domination on the other hand.
PLO (or the PA) was and is not "Islamist." It was and remains a largely secular liberationist/terrorist movement.
Note that I used my words very carefully - to review, "And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and 'Islamification' of the West Bank." There is a reason why I wrote the word "impetus" rather than, say, cause.
The Israeli occupation, on the whole, has been hard on many* Palestinians. Obviously some fraction of those with portable assets and skills are going to migrate. And Christians were generally those with more portable assets and skillsets and greater Western orientation, and they were the ones who chose exile out of the region in larger numbers than Muslims.
The conflict with Israel and its occupation have increasingly "Islamified" and radicalized Palestinians, and now the practical situation at hand for the Christians is that they are squeezed between a rock and a hard place. So it's not surprising that their rate of exile is much higher.
*Some Palestinians undoubtedly benefitted from the occupation and have prospered. Beit Jala, for example, is actually a pretty affluent Christian town that has grown tremendously. But that masks the larger, precipitous population decline (largely due to out-migration) of Christians in the overall region.
I don't know why I bother replying to someone who will call reflexively "an anti-Israel fanatic" anyone who doesn't go along 100% with Israeli propaganda, but my take on the region is a tad more complex than that.
And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and “Islamification” of the West Bank. So, again, save your propaganda for someone who hasn’t been to Beit Jala.
“Cowboys was what my Sabra minder/bodyguard called them….”
Thank you Thomas Friedman for your “argumentum ad random-dude-I-met-abroad-and-says-exactly-what-I-think.”
Make the next one an Uber driver please.
There is a lot of rancor between secular and religious Jews in Israel.
This is a really good tell of an anti-Israel fanatic. As if there are ANY Christian minority populations that thrive under Islam.
No, Christians minorities can expect, at best something between dhimmitude (Egypt) and devil's bargains with tyrants (Baathist Iraq and Syria).
But in Twinkie's no-Israel fantasyland, there's a happy thriving Christian minority in Judea under Islamic rule. Would your happy Judenfrei Palestine be a liberal democracy too?
How is the Christian situation in Syria in any way a bargain with a tyrant, from their perspective? Assad has never acted tyrannically towards the large Christian minority. After Alawites they may just get the best treatment in the country. They have access to government jobs, Salafism is suppressed, Christian holidays are publicly celebrated, and the Syrian Arab Army’s fight songs mention the Bible alongside the Quran (look it up on YouTube).
There is also the video of the Syrian Christian woman begging McCain in a town hall to please stop supporting the monstrous rebels in Syria that behead Christians in their fighting. McCain's callous answer was he had "met them" and they were "good people".
Those were the rebels that Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the Ametican military-industrial class, and the Derp State, the Obama administration, and the Clinton campaign, were supporting and calling for more support.
Israel is not an ally, it is an Istael first state.
This is a really good tell of an anti-Israel fanatic. As if there are ANY Christian minority populations that thrive under Islam.
No, Christians minorities can expect, at best something between dhimmitude (Egypt) and devil's bargains with tyrants (Baathist Iraq and Syria).
But in Twinkie's no-Israel fantasyland, there's a happy thriving Christian minority in Judea under Islamic rule. Would your happy Judenfrei Palestine be a liberal democracy too?
Wrong. Done arguing with Israel is my god crowd.
I have been solidly anti-Israel for a good decade now. But I’ve reached the reluctant conclusion that it’s more advantageous for my political aspirations to support Israel’s attempts to not only keep and settle the west bank, but to force out the Palestinian population. That would greatly help to normalize identifying an enemy population and treating it as such, and it’s something that would benefit Europeans in dealing with their own demographic problems much more than the success of some BDS effort would. (And gah, just take a look at the BDS crowd – I don’t know how a decent liberal/civic American nationalist like John Mearsheimer mixes it with these scummy leftards.)
I know it can feel good to hit back at Israel, BDS-style. And it’s so easy too, since from a liberal perspective, the facts of that conflict are so heavily morally skewed in favor of the Palestinians. Obscuring that reality has required a decades-long Jewish media full court press, and even then the facts have still managed to seep out to a considerable number of uninterested people. At the end of the day, though, I just can’t see how supporting the Palestinians helps my own cause. In contrast, I can see how supporting the Isreali right helps my own cause. So I’ll just have to hold my nose and do it.
In theory Egypt keeps its Muslim Brotherhood jihadists away from the West. In practice, YMMV.
Don’t be coy; we all know your focus had two reasons….
She’s a canny lass.
But of course, Israel isn't required to sign the NPT or to permit inspections so who knows?
UK & France have nukes too.
Steve Sailer to Richard the Lionhart: Why do we spend so much money for all these Crusades? Let's just go ahead and let Jerusalem fall to the Muslims.
Stevislaw Sailski to Jan Sobieski: Why are Poles defending Vienna? They are rich and can handle the Turks on their own.
1820 Steve to Lord Byron: Greece is really far away, I don't see how it is any of our business if the cradle of the West groans under Ottoman slavery.
Good point – it should actually be under Christian control. Next stop Byzantium!
Why I’m sure I’ve no idea what you’re referring to! 😉
If the US got into a war with Israel would the US deploy it’s military to fight on the side of the US?
“Downstate” New York should be given to the Jews as (the new) State of Israel, in return for the Jews’ migration there from Israel. New York City has an excellent water supply and port system to the world and its geographic location automatically puts it under the nuclear umbrella of the United States.
And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and “Islamification” of the West Bank. So, again, save your propaganda for someone who hasn’t been to Beit Jala.
Not just of the West Bank. Israel and the conflicts it has create have been the biggest impetus for the de-Christianization of the wider Middle East.
Heck, I find it downright counterproductive to argue with that kind of logic! Simply agreeing and carrying the logic forward is the best policy.
How about "feed two bird with one scone"?
Yea, but I’m a Big Thinker so it’s Okay.
In 100,000 years the only chance more than the tiniest fragment of our DNA still exists is off planet colonies. Here on earth, anthropologists will be marveling at the discovery of Homo sapiens sapiens remnants as we marvel at neanderthalis today. By then we’ll be running Homo sapiens v176.12 (public beta).
Why is it so hard to stay neutral in this quarrel? Disputes between Jews and Muslims should be of concern to nobody else. Leftist anti-Israelism and rightist pro-Israelism both cause unnecessary trouble.
A Jewish “settler” from the U. S. published a web site supporting the Ron Paul candidacy, sharply denouncing the aid from the US. He said it weakens Israel, makes them bow to American influence. In his view, it is a leah..
That’s true of course of ALL aid
Yes, New York City should become a North American Singapore. Some White-ish Americans are like the ethnic Chinese of British Malaya and some Whites are like the Malays. History threw those peoples together but they chose divorce when then Brits left them alone with each other. Both the Singaporeans and Malaysians seem to be doing fine since the split.
If it makes people feel better, they can blame the Trump presidency for NYC taking its own path.
Assad encouraged the showing of a film about Paul’s life and travels, and early Christian history in the area. The film makers said he Express ed d great pleasure at Syria’s historical role in Christianity.
There is also the video of the Syrian Christian woman begging McCain in a town hall to please stop supporting the monstrous rebels in Syria that behead Christians in their fighting. McCain’s callous answer was he had “met them” and they were “good people”.
Those were the rebels that Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the Ametican military-industrial class, and the Derp State, the Obama administration, and the Clinton campaign, were supporting and calling for more support.
Israel is not an ally, it is an Istael first state.
I don’t know what America gets for that. I assume about as much as America gets from NATO and other hangovers from the Cold War that have grown with mission creep.
Interesting aside, is Israel the only recipient of substantial US largesse whose people are properly grateful? Did you know that you can’t walk in the centre of Jerusalem without seeing a #MAGA red skullcap for sale?
All of which is nothing to me. I want my country to stop giving money to other countries, and to stop subsidizing their national defense, period. And American arms sales should be strictly limited to those countries whom we can trust to not export our technology any further.
Yes, Israel is a magical hex that mysteriously causes other Middle Easterners to slaughter each other with mad abandon. Otherwise, they’d be perfectly peaceful and all bestest of buddies. There’s no mechanism for this, but when has that stopped juju?
And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and “Islamification” of the West Bank. So, again, save your propaganda for someone who hasn’t been to Beit Jala.
Abbreviation for ‘Walter Mitty’ – someone who pretends to be something they’re not, especially: a member of the armed forces, a war veteran or a policeman.
These pathetic individuals try to compensate for their social inadequacies by adopting what they see as a glamorous or respectable lifestyle.
“This walt tosser told me he was 22 SAS but I recognised him from Burger King.”
Twinkie: what colour is the boat house in Hereford?
And I do like the 1911. It’s an old gun, but served my country a long time like “Sam” said. And that old French dude is absolutely right that “At the end of the day, we are likely to be punished for our kindness.”
Yes. They do.
But Israel is right to fear Iran and their ability to build an atomic bomb.
Scientific excellence is not uncommon in Iran.
These pathetic individuals try to compensate for their social inadequacies by adopting what they see as a glamorous or respectable lifestyle.
"This walt tosser told me he was 22 SAS but I recognised him from Burger King."
Twinkie: what colour is the boat house in Hereford?
Since I am an American, the question should be: “What color is the jet ski shed at Camp Peary?”
And I do like the 1911. It’s an old gun, but served my country a long time like “Sam” said. And that old French dude is absolutely right that “At the end of the day, we are likely to be punished for our kindness.”
Thank you Thomas Friedman for your "argumentum ad random-dude-I-met-abroad-and-says-exactly-what-I-think."
Make the next one an Uber driver please.
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I wouldn’t call someone who was an Israeli commando and then intel officer a “random-dude” as it concerns the Palestinians.
People of that region would be killing one another even without Israel. However, Israel seems to prefer the conflict in and among their neighbors, and is not above encouraging it or helping to foment it.
Interesting aside, is Israel the only recipient of substantial US largesse whose people are properly grateful? Did you know that you can't walk in the centre of Jerusalem without seeing a #MAGA red skullcap for sale?
They like Trump because he moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. Who says Israel is grateful? Treating my country as ATM and mercenary is not something I consider an act of gratitude. Anyway, I’ve met plenty of Germans who were – at least publicly – grateful for the US presence in Germany.
All of which is nothing to me. I want my country to stop giving money to other countries, and to stop subsidizing their national defense, period. And American arms sales should be strictly limited to those countries whom we can trust to not export our technology any further.
And they are grateful. They love American visitors. I was there with one. It was even much better than being English in the States.
Naturally, gratitude is only a minimum qualification but I can't help but notice that all other recipients of US monies seem to hate the US, including Germany, where anti-Americanism is the norm.
On a side note, how much do you reckon stationing US forces in Germany costs the US?
And I do like the 1911. It’s an old gun, but served my country a long time like “Sam” said. And that old French dude is absolutely right that “At the end of the day, we are likely to be punished for our kindness.”
So you’re Walting as Jason Bourne. Lol. Might as well aim high, I suppose.
The bribe is to stop the Egyptian state attacking Israel. Controlling non-state actors is inevitably more fuzzy.
No dollars are needed to dissuade the Egyptians, the Israelis are able to do that all by themselves, and have done so in the past.
But you are right about this:
All of which is nothing to me. I want my country to stop giving money to other countries, and to stop subsidizing their national defense, period. And American arms sales should be strictly limited to those countries whom we can trust to not export our technology any further.
I notice you’ve avoided actually answering my question. You’ve only be able to vast aspersions around the edges.
And they are grateful. They love American visitors. I was there with one. It was even much better than being English in the States.
Naturally, gratitude is only a minimum qualification but I can’t help but notice that all other recipients of US monies seem to hate the US, including Germany, where anti-Americanism is the norm.
On a side note, how much do you reckon stationing US forces in Germany costs the US?
The German government pays for most of the cost.
Total payments by Japan Germany and South Korea to the US for base related expenses are about $10 billion a year.
It used to be supposed that Israel preferred stable, corrupt dicatorships lording it over big ethnically diverse countries. That was before those countries tore themselves apart by their seams. Now it is supposed the other way around. Except in the West. Strange how whatever happens people rationalise it into what Israel wants…
https://www.salon.com/2016/08/23/israeli-think-tank-dont-destroy-isis-its-a-useful-tool-against-iran-hezbollah-syria/
As do thier counterparts in the government of the United States. And surely you are aware that Iraq didn't just "tear itself apart". There was something that happened in 2003 - can't quite put my finger on it - oh yeah, that's right - the Worlds' most powerful military, goaded on by Israeli boosters, barged in and swatted away one of those stable corrupt dictators that Israel prefers so much.
>themselves
Okay.
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The posted article.
He wasn’t talking about himself, but about someone he knew. But then context awareness doesn’t seem to be your strong suit. In any event, there is nothing special about being an “intel officer”. Jeb Bush’s son was an “intel officer”
No, it is supposed that they want chaos, because then seem to want chaos:
https://www.salon.com/2016/08/23/israeli-think-tank-dont-destroy-isis-its-a-useful-tool-against-iran-hezbollah-syria/
As do thier counterparts in the government of the United States. And surely you are aware that Iraq didn’t just “tear itself apart”. There was something that happened in 2003 – can’t quite put my finger on it – oh yeah, that’s right – the Worlds’ most powerful military, goaded on by Israeli boosters, barged in and swatted away one of those stable corrupt dictators that Israel prefers so much.
And they are grateful. They love American visitors. I was there with one. It was even much better than being English in the States.
Naturally, gratitude is only a minimum qualification but I can't help but notice that all other recipients of US monies seem to hate the US, including Germany, where anti-Americanism is the norm.
On a side note, how much do you reckon stationing US forces in Germany costs the US?
No, I answered it. I reject your premise. I don’t think that Israel is grateful. It expects our $3 billion subsidy as some kind of birthright. That isn’t gratitude in my book.
And what is it that most American visitors to Israel probably have in common?
I can’t speak for today, but that did not used to be the case – in the South of Germany anyway, where they seemed to like Americans pretty well.
I don’t know – quite a lot, I imagine. I’m against it.
You think they are all Jewish? Tons of Christian tourists visit Jerusalem and other Holy Land sites from around the world.
Tel Aviv is also popular for gays and secular Europeans as a beach and party destination.
Evangelical Jair Bolsanaro and his large family have visited Israel multiple times. Geert Wilders lived on a kibbutz for a few months when he was in his late teens. He may have thought he was slightly Jewish at the time, but what looks like the most detailed genealogy says he's 31/32 Dutch and 1/32 German.
His unusual hair style and the way his eyes aged make the idea his grandmother was mixed Indonesian/Dutch/Jewish. But he looked like a normal Dutch guy when he was young. This is him in Israel.
https://hammersmeden.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/geertwilders2.jpg
“And what is it that most American visitors to Israel probably have in common?”
You think they are all Jewish? Tons of Christian tourists visit Jerusalem and other Holy Land sites from around the world.
Tel Aviv is also popular for gays and secular Europeans as a beach and party destination.
Evangelical Jair Bolsanaro and his large family have visited Israel multiple times. Geert Wilders lived on a kibbutz for a few months when he was in his late teens. He may have thought he was slightly Jewish at the time, but what looks like the most detailed genealogy says he’s 31/32 Dutch and 1/32 German.
His unusual hair style and the way his eyes aged make the idea his grandmother was mixed Indonesian/Dutch/Jewish. But he looked like a normal Dutch guy when he was young. This is him in Israel.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/More-tourists-visit-Israel-in-2017-thaa-ever-before-522665
And they are grateful. They love American visitors. I was there with one. It was even much better than being English in the States.
Naturally, gratitude is only a minimum qualification but I can't help but notice that all other recipients of US monies seem to hate the US, including Germany, where anti-Americanism is the norm.
On a side note, how much do you reckon stationing US forces in Germany costs the US?
“On a side note, how much do you reckon stationing US forces in Germany costs the US?”
The German government pays for most of the cost.
Total payments by Japan Germany and South Korea to the US for base related expenses are about $10 billion a year.
And they are grateful. They love American visitors. I was there with one. It was even much better than being English in the States.
Naturally, gratitude is only a minimum qualification but I can't help but notice that all other recipients of US monies seem to hate the US, including Germany, where anti-Americanism is the norm.
On a side note, how much do you reckon stationing US forces in Germany costs the US?
Probably whatever it is it’s worth it as the cost as having Germany, and all of the EU as US satraps. Israel has been quite neutral w.r.t. Russia in a way that Germany hasn’t been or isn’t allowed to be.
How precisely did Israel go about fomenting the Syrian civil war? Launch Jewy chaos dust across the short militarized border?
You seem too smart not to realize your links and arguments reflect a confirmation bias.
Israel didn’t like Saddam, but it also had no interest in a long occupation that predictably led to a pro-Iran Shiite government. The old US policy of limiting Iraq’s oil exports, limiting its use of that revenue, weapons inspections, no fly zones, and occasional limited bombings kept Iraq down but not out as a counterbalance to Iran.
It had no plausible interest in Afghanistan’s government.
The US involvement in Syria was aimed primarily at destroying ISIS, which a whole bunch of other Jewspiracies say was supported by Israel. ISIS would have been destroyed anyway in Syria by Team Shiite, so the net effect was to give Iran/Assad a cheaper victory.
No, they knew he wasn’t Jewish.
The German government pays for most of the cost.
Total payments by Japan Germany and South Korea to the US for base related expenses are about $10 billion a year.
They didn’t pay us, the kraut bastards.
https://www.salon.com/2016/08/23/israeli-think-tank-dont-destroy-isis-its-a-useful-tool-against-iran-hezbollah-syria/
As do thier counterparts in the government of the United States. And surely you are aware that Iraq didn't just "tear itself apart". There was something that happened in 2003 - can't quite put my finger on it - oh yeah, that's right - the Worlds' most powerful military, goaded on by Israeli boosters, barged in and swatted away one of those stable corrupt dictators that Israel prefers so much.
Israel thought Iraq was a distraction from Iran and tried to discourage the States. Also, nobody forced the Iraqis to slaughter each other. I mean what a reaction to the Western invasion…self-slaughter…
In any event, this whole "Iraq isn't the problem, Iran is the problem" is bullshit. Iran may be a problem for Israel. It isn't for my country.
You are making one of the greatest episodes in your people’s history about their narrow self interest. The Germans and Ottomans were fighting about who’d get to be the lead opressor of Western/Southern Slavs. Poland could have let them bleed each other out.
Vienna would have been sacked but was too remote for the Ottomans to ultimately conquer. The Ottomans would either have set up a vassel state that broke free at the first early opportunity, or else had another one of their long disastrous withdrawals.
Instead Sobieski saved Europe’s greatest interior city from rape, kidnap, murder and pillage.
This is a really good tell of an anti-Israel fanatic. As if there are ANY Christian minority populations that thrive under Islam.
No, Christians minorities can expect, at best something between dhimmitude (Egypt) and devil's bargains with tyrants (Baathist Iraq and Syria).
But in Twinkie's no-Israel fantasyland, there's a happy thriving Christian minority in Judea under Islamic rule. Would your happy Judenfrei Palestine be a liberal democracy too?
First of all, I happen to be a fairly strong supporter of Israel. It’s just that I am a much bigger supporter of my own country, the United States of America. I have Israeli friends and I wish them well.
And you are setting up intellectually dishonest false choices and straw men, e.g. Israeli occupation and exile of Christian Arabs and on the one hand or “Islamist” domination on the other hand.
PLO (or the PA) was and is not “Islamist.” It was and remains a largely secular liberationist/terrorist movement.
Note that I used my words very carefully – to review, “And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and ‘Islamification’ of the West Bank.” There is a reason why I wrote the word “impetus” rather than, say, cause.
The Israeli occupation, on the whole, has been hard on many* Palestinians. Obviously some fraction of those with portable assets and skills are going to migrate. And Christians were generally those with more portable assets and skillsets and greater Western orientation, and they were the ones who chose exile out of the region in larger numbers than Muslims.
The conflict with Israel and its occupation have increasingly “Islamified” and radicalized Palestinians, and now the practical situation at hand for the Christians is that they are squeezed between a rock and a hard place. So it’s not surprising that their rate of exile is much higher.
*Some Palestinians undoubtedly benefitted from the occupation and have prospered. Beit Jala, for example, is actually a pretty affluent Christian town that has grown tremendously. But that masks the larger, precipitous population decline (largely due to out-migration) of Christians in the overall region.
I don’t know why I bother replying to someone who will call reflexively “an anti-Israel fanatic” anyone who doesn’t go along 100% with Israeli propaganda, but my take on the region is a tad more complex than that.
The German government pays for most of the cost.
Total payments by Japan Germany and South Korea to the US for base related expenses are about $10 billion a year.
Yup. There is always some negotiation going on with those allies on how much they are going to pay for the privilege of hosting American troops on their soil. But what also enters the calculations for the host countries is how much that saves them in their own defense spending as well as the money the GIs spend on the local economy around the bases.
There’s also the fact that the base presence is an insurance policy greatly raising the possibility of direct American intervention if the country in which GI’s are based is invaded by an enemy. From a historical standpoint, Uncle Sam is fairly unique is being one of the few powers with zero interest in annexing the territory of allies in which it has a military presence. That is why US troops are welcome almost everywhere in the world by foreign governments that aren’t declared enemies of the US.
You clearly no little of either camp that we referred to. Wikipedia knows more. Check it out.
And you are setting up intellectually dishonest false choices and straw men, e.g. Israeli occupation and exile of Christian Arabs and on the one hand or "Islamist" domination on the other hand.
PLO (or the PA) was and is not "Islamist." It was and remains a largely secular liberationist/terrorist movement.
Note that I used my words very carefully - to review, "And Israeli occupation has been the greatest impetus for de-Christianization and 'Islamification' of the West Bank." There is a reason why I wrote the word "impetus" rather than, say, cause.
The Israeli occupation, on the whole, has been hard on many* Palestinians. Obviously some fraction of those with portable assets and skills are going to migrate. And Christians were generally those with more portable assets and skillsets and greater Western orientation, and they were the ones who chose exile out of the region in larger numbers than Muslims.
The conflict with Israel and its occupation have increasingly "Islamified" and radicalized Palestinians, and now the practical situation at hand for the Christians is that they are squeezed between a rock and a hard place. So it's not surprising that their rate of exile is much higher.
*Some Palestinians undoubtedly benefitted from the occupation and have prospered. Beit Jala, for example, is actually a pretty affluent Christian town that has grown tremendously. But that masks the larger, precipitous population decline (largely due to out-migration) of Christians in the overall region.
I don't know why I bother replying to someone who will call reflexively "an anti-Israel fanatic" anyone who doesn't go along 100% with Israeli propaganda, but my take on the region is a tad more complex than that.
I think it’s a fairly understandable reaction from a people half of whose religious brethren were slaughtered in an unprecedented bloodbath by Hitler. Note that as a tiny country 1/4 the size of South Korea, but without natural geographical features to slow down an invader, and hostiles on every side that outnumber them 50 to 1, Israel is extremely vulnerable to attack. Only vigilance in the form of a large defense budget and the total mobilization of combat age males has kept the country alive. But there’s only a tiny margin for error. They’re not paranoid. They’re really under siege by people who don’t necessarily declare up front their long term goal. Neither did Hitler.
The United States was settled and founded by British Protestants -- I'll talk about that.
The ancestral core of the USA is European Christian -- I'll talk about that.
The ruling class of the American Empire is WASP/JEW -- I'll talk about that.
The JEW element in the WASP/JEW ruling class is using mass immigration as a demographic weapon to destroy the national sovereignty and cultural cohesion of the USA -- I'll talk about that.
Many JEWS want the US military to continue to be used as muscle to fight wars on behalf of Israel in the Middle East and West Asia -- I'll talk about that.
GOP voters want the truth that will save the USA from nation-wrecking mass immigration and will stop the unnecessary wars overseas that only benefit Israel.
The JEWS are part of the WASP/JEW ruling class -- I'll talk about the JEWS and the WASPs.
I agree completely and I’ve always admired you and Mr. Pinson both for your courage using your real names. I expect you are both independently wealthy – or at least secure (or else at least self-employed).
Keep up your good work.
You think they are all Jewish? Tons of Christian tourists visit Jerusalem and other Holy Land sites from around the world.
Tel Aviv is also popular for gays and secular Europeans as a beach and party destination.
Evangelical Jair Bolsanaro and his large family have visited Israel multiple times. Geert Wilders lived on a kibbutz for a few months when he was in his late teens. He may have thought he was slightly Jewish at the time, but what looks like the most detailed genealogy says he's 31/32 Dutch and 1/32 German.
His unusual hair style and the way his eyes aged make the idea his grandmother was mixed Indonesian/Dutch/Jewish. But he looked like a normal Dutch guy when he was young. This is him in Israel.
https://hammersmeden.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/geertwilders2.jpg
All Jewish? No. Majority Jewish? I would have supposed, but then I would be wrong. According to the Jerusalem Post, Christians came in at a slight majority in 2017:
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/More-tourists-visit-Israel-in-2017-thaa-ever-before-522665
I didn’t say they did. I said they weren’t above it. And, there are people in Israel – not uninfluential people – who seem to desire the chaos there (see my link above) There doesn’t seem to be a lot of evidence of Israel directly aiding armed groups in Syria, other than on the border of the Golan Heights. They have intervened with their air-force, which is a not immaterial kind of support.
And yours do not? The link I posted was from a government-supported and aligned think-tank. That doesn’t mean that what they want is therefore government policy. It also doesn’t mean it isn’t. It means that people – again, not necessarily uninfluential people – have thought about it.
There are any number of quotes one can find online of Israeli politicians supporting a US invasion of Iraq in the run up to the actual war in 2003 – Peres, Netanyahu, and (though less enthusiastically) Sharon.
No, but it has an interest – apparently – in the US shellacking Iran. And if that is to involve an invasion and occupation, then it would be militarily advantageous for the US to occupy countries bordering Iran, like Iraq and Afghanistan. Afghanistan had a separate origin, and a lot of that seems to be (by now) just a finger stuck in Russia’s near-abroad eye. And who is it in America that’s pushing the new Red-scare over Russia? Mostly the same people who were baying for an invasion of Iraq.
I don’t think that’s what the original US involvement in Syria was aimed at. It seemed to me to be more about pushing ISIS at Assad’s forces to let them duke it out – a very cynical policy. I haven’t seen any evidence of Israel supporting ISIS. There is pretty clear evidence that they were supported by some of the Gulf States, with the knowledge (and perhaps tacit support) of the US government. And the US government backed a number of groups that were allied with and gave weapons to Al Nusra (essentially Al Quaeda) – oops, how could we have possibly seen that one coming.
No, I rather think the purpose of ISIS was to defeat Team Shiite/Alawite. The whole thing possible faltered because the America public wouldn’t take the bait and opposed joining in.
That isn’t true. Netanyahu, Peres, Sharon – they all called for the US to invade. I’m sure there were some sensible people in Israel who didn’t think it was a good idea. But clearly, plenty of influential people in Israel did.
In any event, this whole “Iraq isn’t the problem, Iran is the problem” is bullshit. Iran may be a problem for Israel. It isn’t for my country.
Israel warned the US that attacking Iraq would be destabilising.
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html
What camp are you referring to. I have no idea what you’re referring to.
More about what. What the Hell are you talking about? About spies? About soldiering? Yes, I have no first hand knowledge of espionage or warfare. All I know is what I read or hear second-hand, as I am neither a spy nor a soldier.
So what are you, now? 008?
Vienna would have been sacked but was too remote for the Ottomans to ultimately conquer. The Ottomans would either have set up a vassel state that broke free at the first early opportunity, or else had another one of their long disastrous withdrawals.
Instead Sobieski saved Europe's greatest interior city from rape, kidnap, murder and pillage.
None of which is an argument for giving Israel $3 billion worth of military aid that they can well afford themselves.
>tore themselves apart
>themselves
Okay.
Right, because Egypt has had success on that front.
No dollars are needed to dissuade the Egyptians, the Israelis are able to do that all by themselves, and have done so in the past.
But you are right about this:
Why should’t I support what I view as being in my best interests to support?
I’ve at least seen the film Ronin, from which the reference which started this off was taken. Then you interjected without knowing what you were talking about.
Your act is wearing thin.
In any event, this whole "Iraq isn't the problem, Iran is the problem" is bullshit. Iran may be a problem for Israel. It isn't for my country.
I don’t even think Iran is a problem for Israel. All I said was that the Israelis did.
Israel warned the US that attacking Iraq would be destabilising.
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html
I’ve seen it too. So is that where your knowledge of military affairs comes from? Oh – yeah – I see you really are an expert then. You’ve seen a movie.
Nobody knows what the Hell you are talking about half the time. You write unclearly, and a lot of it is pure crap.
Your act is wearing thin.
Israel warned the US that attacking Iraq would be destabilising.
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3444393,00.html
And yet three Israeli prime ministers advised us to do it. Maybe destabilization of Iraq is what they wanted.
Yawn. A handful of regular commenters on these boards elevate Israeli interests over American ones. Or, more often, work tirelessly to gaslight that Israeli interests *are* American interest (see Syria).
Why? It is known.
“Is it good for the Jews?” is the only question that matters. Everyone knows that.
And thanks for repeating the Israeli propaganda. But you should save that for people who haven't worked alongside Israelis. They don't give us "useful feedback" - we get that just fine from our own endless wars. What they do is take our military technology, spread it to their military industry, which due to the high cost of autarky, now has to find foreign buyers, including China.
You see, I was in Israel to liaise with Israeli intel and security people. I like Israelis, especially the Sabras (I have a more mixed opinion of Diaspora Jews, rather like that anti-Semite Martin van Creveld, formerly of Hebrew University of Jerusalem and I have an especially dim view of those Jews who made Aliyah to play cowboys in West Bank, er, I mean Judea and Samaria). I don't begrudge Israelis hustling to benefit their country one bit. Good for them.
I just want my country, more accurately my country's government, to do the same for my country and its people. And that includes maintaining a friendly relationship with Israeli, but not subsidizing its military and industry.
It irks me that they handed over the blueprints to the Lavi (Israel’s F-16 clone) to the Chinese, and almost sold them the Israeli copy of the AWACS. To top that off, an Israeli general opined to Haaretz that Uncle Sam put the kibosh on the AWACS clone deal because he wanted to sell the genuine item to the Chinese. It’s not enough that they take $3b of our money every year that could have been used for our own equipment upgrades, they have to run their mouths at being denied permission to sell weaponry to a large and powerful nuclear-armed potential future adversary.
Keep in mind, Israel has a very oversized military industry for a country of its size. For such a country, having a large-scale, advanced military industry is very expensive compared to buying off the shelf from the international market (of course, autarkic capability is deemed necessary in case the foreign relations/supplies turn sour). The economy of scale is just not there. So the industry is forced to seek foreign buyers to offset the enormous costs of research, development, production, and maintenance. That goes for ALL arms producers, including the major powers such as the United States, but the pressure is particularly acute for smaller producers.
I provided a source. You made stuff up. Well done.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that back in the ‘70s or ‘80s during the Cold War the Israelis sometimes traded American intelligence to the Soviets in exchange for exit visas for Soviet Jews.
I don’t doubt it. If it happened, it was good for the Jews. That’s all that matters. Good on them for taking care of their own.
We can learn from the Jews, i.e. “Is it good for the Whites?” Great question to ask.
It isn’t my job to provide you with information that you can readily find yourself. You’re a liar anyway, so why should I care? But, if you insist:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/12/netanyahu.cnna/
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/08/15/peres.iraq/index.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/1404673/Sharon-urges-America-to-bring-down-Saddam.html
Which, you probably already knew. You don’t even lie very well, troll.
Here's a link. Educate yourself.
http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/2006/04/israel-and-the-iraq-war/amp/
Our greatest ally.
Oh, Netanyahu publically supported his patron power’s project after it was a done deal. Shocking…In other news – a random board member publically says he supports the CEO’s new initiative…amazing!
Here’s a link. Educate yourself.
http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/2006/04/israel-and-the-iraq-war/amp/
Not that I am surprised by your deceitful tactics.
It’s not the Israelis, to whom I referred.
In any event, this whole "Iraq isn't the problem, Iran is the problem" is bullshit. Iran may be a problem for Israel. It isn't for my country.
Martin van Creveld said it was going to be a disaster. He was right, as usual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "A light unto the nations".
Is this supposed to persuade anybody to take your side?
Dips**t.
It worked out well for some.
Here's a link. Educate yourself.
http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/2006/04/israel-and-the-iraq-war/amp/
Hang on a minute, you slippery f**k. I said that Israel wanted the US to invade Iraq. You said they didn’t. Well, I provided four links demonstrating that three Israeli PMs called for the US to invade Iraq. Stick to that, a**hat. Why don’t you address that? Do people who have born the title “Prime Minister of Israel” NOT speak for Israel, then? Is their impact on policy less than somebody named “Martin Kramer”?
Was Creveld also right about the “Samson Option”? That Israel might attack cities in Europe if it ever felt existentially threatened, for whatever reason?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Gives a whole new meaning to the term “A light unto the nations”.
Is this supposed to persuade anybody to take your side?
Dips**t.
“Irk” doesn’t being to capture how I feel about it. But, I really don’t blame the Israelis. They are doing what they think is in their interest. I hold MY – the United States – government for letting that happen. Israel is just doing what it can get away with/extract from the U.S. We are the suckers for letting that happen.
Keep in mind, Israel has a very oversized military industry for a country of its size. For such a country, having a large-scale, advanced military industry is very expensive compared to buying off the shelf from the international market (of course, autarkic capability is deemed necessary in case the foreign relations/supplies turn sour). The economy of scale is just not there. So the industry is forced to seek foreign buyers to offset the enormous costs of research, development, production, and maintenance. That goes for ALL arms producers, including the major powers such as the United States, but the pressure is particularly acute for smaller producers.
Keep in mind, Israel has a very oversized military industry for a country of its size. For such a country, having a large-scale, advanced military industry is very expensive compared to buying off the shelf from the international market (of course, autarkic capability is deemed necessary in case the foreign relations/supplies turn sour). The economy of scale is just not there. So the industry is forced to seek foreign buyers to offset the enormous costs of research, development, production, and maintenance. That goes for ALL arms producers, including the major powers such as the United States, but the pressure is particularly acute for smaller producers.
Yes. Second that. America needs to be much more ruthless looking out for its own interests instead of getting played to bleed and have our young men’s limbs blown off by roadside IEDs to protect foreign nations that are irrelevant to American security (which is pretty much all of them).
Here's a link. Educate yourself.
http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/2006/04/israel-and-the-iraq-war/amp/
Hang on a minute; don’t just change the subject. You said I was wrong about three Israeli PMs advocating that the US make war on Iraq. And I provided several links that proved you wrong. Well? What does it matter what some guy named Martin Kramer says. Who is is it that speaks for Israel and helps make policy? Three PMs or some guy?
Not that I am surprised by your deceitful tactics.
Why am I having to repeat myself? My previous point was straightforward. You wouldn't be purposefully misrepresenting it, would you?
Martin van Creveld also implied that Israel is willing to lash out at the World with nuclear weapons – including at countries that pose no danger to it – if it feels threatened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
By the way, in my first reply to this your post, I mistakenly thought it was made by Tyrion 2, rather than you. He was the one I was responding to, hence the rather insulting language. I meant no disrespect to you. I find Tyrion 2 to be a smug, disingenuous tool, and I make no secret of the fact that I hold him in contempt.
Not that I am surprised by your deceitful tactics.
No, I pointed out that naturally the Israeli PMs would be publically supportive of their patron’s actions that don’t directly affect them. I then gave a bucketload of evidence about what was happening in private.
Why am I having to repeat myself? My previous point was straightforward. You wouldn’t be purposefully misrepresenting it, would you?
Go back and read my post. It answered your reply to it. I imagine that fact would be embarrassing to you but I doubt you’ll ever understand it.
I’ll be adding poor character judgement to your considerable list of negative qualities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "A light unto the nations".
Is this supposed to persuade anybody to take your side?
Dips**t.
Friendly fire… isn’t. 🙂
No problem. Don’t bother replying to that troll. I think he is a teenager writing from mom’s basement. He just gets his references from movies and the Internet.
Why am I having to repeat myself? My previous point was straightforward. You wouldn't be purposefully misrepresenting it, would you?
No, you elided over the fact that you had been proven wrong.
In general? Because nobody listens to you.
Nothing you write is straightforward.
You still smarting from me unveiling you as a Walt?
You’ve only revealed yourself to be an idiot, troll.
Tyrion 2 keeps using that term about others without realizing that it is what he himself is.
Being a muslim means you are perpetually at war with the rest of humanity.
The Muslims have seized North Africa, Turkey and the Levant from Christendom, or from the West, whichever you prefer.
And in return we are not getting any Nobel Prizes. We get terror, hatred, rape, crime and special pleading.
So I don't care if any muslim country loses their land. Too bad. When they give Constantinople back to the Orthodox Church, then I might think about their poor poor loss of land.
Cool, so why do christian palestinians have a problem with Israel? I am pro-israel in the sense that i believe israel has a right to defend itself, but acting like people are “extremists” for opposing a neighbor state that is constantly expanding is absurd.