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From Audacious Epigone:

These results are striking. They show Trump improving by a net of 11 points among non-whites but declining by a net of 10 points among whites from 2016 to 2020. Because whites still comprise nearly three-quarters of the voting electorate, this is not a wash for the president. It represents an apparent decline in total support, albeit arrived at in exactly the opposite way the major media Narrative would have us believe. Trump is not doubling down on white men at the expense of everyone else. To the contrary, he’s making inroads with everyone else as he concedes support among white men.

But it will be a moral victory if Trump improves among nonwhites while doing worse than 2016 among the white majority. I’m sure the media will give him full credit.

 
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  1. All he needs to say is “no more immigration from third world countries, full stop” and he wins in a landslide.

  2. JimDandy says:

    Then again, the people with the most to lose by admitting they support Trump are… white men, so.

    • Thanks: Johann Ricke
  3. Anon7 says:

    Then white guys had better listen to this guy carefully.

    • Agree: 36 ulster
    • Thanks: Richard B
  4. wren says:

    Apologies if this has already been posted in comments.

    But, it’s happening! An iSteve moment.

  5. Nonwhites (especially Asians) want to vote for Trump because they lost all their jobs and savings to the COVID shutdown, and they know Biden wants to shut us down for a full year China-style, which means they will be left penniless and bankrupt while their daughters join woke white male harems. White men won’t vote for Trump because they have realized he is a buffoon, plus they are the ones who are winning under diversity and wokeism, anyway. The only Trump supporters left are off-whites and feminists.

  6. BenKenobi says:

    As a non-voting Canadian, I was hoping to be enlisted in some form of fascist foreign legion about four years ago. What happened?

    • LOL: AnotherDad
  7. Thomas says:

    As I’ve said a couple of times: he traded the Sailer Strategy for the Kushner Strategy.

  8. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, did you think Larry Sinclair’s testimony regarding Obama is legit?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    , @Nodwink
    , @Number 6
  9. e.272 says:
    @DextersLabRat

    All he needs to say is “no more immigration from third world countries, full stop”

    No. He needs to say “This is your country…”

    He just has to echo the same sense of propriety that most Americans have, across party lines, without opening a can of worms.

  10. @Thomas

    Kushnerism hasn’t failed, it just hasn’t been tried hard enough.

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Thomas
  11. Twinkie says:

    An anonymous commenter on AE wrote this:

    From what I’ve seen, most Trumpers in 2016 are still Trumpers. His loss in white support is actually just continuing a decade long trend, of educated urban whites completely abandoning conservatism and the Republicans. The white managerial class is now firmly Democrat.

    And I wrote in response:

    this analysis is spot on. There has been a complete collapse in support for Trump among suburban, college-educated voters. These were traditionally very center-right, Republican voters, but they are now overwhelmingly for the Democrats. Meanwhile, rural and blue-collar whites whose support in the past were split have become very Trumpist.

    As for Trump’s moderately increasing support among non-whites, this too is nothing surprising. He garnered slightly more non-white vote in the last election than the previous Republican candidate (Romney) did in the presidential contest prior.

    Trump never did follow “the Sailer” strategy as such. He oriented toward downscale whites (or, to paraphrase a recent study, lower middle class whites worried about status collapse amid automation and mass immigration) and this demographic helped him to carry the Rust Belt while losing the suburbs of economically rising, tech-oriented job centers. This process has simply accelerated in the past four years.

    • Disagree: Ben tillman
    • LOL: 3g4me
  12. All he needs to say is “no more immigration from third world countries, full stop” and he wins in a landslide.

    A landslide is no good if he doesn’t win Pennsylvania, where there are few immigrants and other issues dominate.

    Who are these white “men”, anyway? Are they “hideous hermaphroditical characters that have neither the force and firmness of men, nor the gentleness and sensibility of women”?

    • Replies: @gent
    , @Rob McX
    , @JMcG
    , @Awbnid
  13. Thomas says:
    @Almost Missouri

    After 2012, they called it “the autopsy.” All they had to do was to cuck harder to everyone but the traditional GOP base, pass “comprehensive immigration reform,” and (naturally) shovel a bunch of money to the types of GOPe consultants who now make up the Lincoln Project, and they’d finally win again.

    It will be impressive in its own way if Trump winds up disproving this bit of misbegotten Establishment orthodoxy from each direction: winning the presidency by rejecting it and then losing the presidency by embracing it.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  14. Either way, the results of this election are all upside in the long run.

    If Trump wins, he proves the old Establishment is rotting and White populism is emerging (along with some non-White allies).

    If Biden wins, his election and the next four years will prove to most Whites that we must go in another direction as a people. Many options on the table.

    Yeah, there will be pain. But that was already baked in.

    • Agree: Bugg
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  15. Roger says:

    Maybe Whites are voting for Biden because they want to pay slavery reparations?

    I don’t know. It makes no sense to me. A lot of Whites did vote for Obama, thinking that electing a Black president would solve our race relations problems. Now race relations are worse, and it is hard to see how anyone could think that they will improve under Biden.

  16. @DextersLabRat

    All he needs to say is “no more immigration from third world countries, full stop” and he wins in a landslide.

    No. That’s exactly wrong. It brings up a racial angle that is entirely unnecessary. It’s what he did with “shithole countries”, which however apt, was a distraction from the real issue–not those countries but the lives of Americans.

    What wins–but he needed to say years ago, not three weeks before an election is roughly:

    “No more immigration.

    “America has enough people. “Immigration drives down wages and drives up housing prices. We are not the safety valve for the world to unload their extra people … just so business can get cheap labor.

    “No. American jobs belong to Americans. And American housing belongs to Americans. We’ve got millions of young Americans graduating from high school and college every year. American jobs belong to them. American housing must be affordable for them.

    “Our nation’s commitment is not to foreigners, but to our citizens, our children. We want them to have good paying jobs and affordable housing, so they can raises their families, live the American dream.

    “That’s why today, i’m issuing an executive order to stop any further issuance of immigration visas, or permanent residency in the United States, to protect the livelihood of all Americans, our children and grandchildren and all generations to come.”

  17. Neoconned says:
    @Anon

    I can’t speak for others but i believe the “Bathhouse Barry” stories. That being said i truly care less what the man does in his bedroom….

  18. Neoconned says:
    @Twinkie

    I recall clearly a few years ago my Puerto Rican coworker explaining why her family was pro Trump…..the main reason her father cited was low wage competition to his construction specialty business.

    Being latino didn’t make a difference when your rent or car note payment is on the line and you have kids to feed etc

    • Replies: @Marty T
  19. Anonymous[437] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren

    I don’t think Gaetz being associated with Trumpism is going to be good for Trumpism going forward when stuff about Gaetz’s, um, bachelor lifestyle inevitably leaks out. It’s a not very open secret in Florida.

  20. Daniel H says:

    This is in the air. Trump and the Stupid Party couldn’t pick up on this either.

    Stupid is dangerous. Stupid is deadly. No excuse for being stupid. Kudos will go to the Democrats and they will rule for…….ever.

    https://reason.com/2020/10/13/big-tech-is-just-the-beginning-house-dems-seek-major-changes-to-antitrust-law/

  21. Between now and Election Day, I want DEMs to get tremendously fired up about a Biden victory.

    On Election Day plus one, I want to see the DEMs walking around in a sort of Brownian motion, like demoralized zombies.

    • LOL: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @tyrone
  22. No. That’s exactly wrong. It brings up a racial angle that is entirely unnecessary. It’s what he did with “shithole countries”, which however apt, was a distraction from the real issue–not those countries but the lives of Americans.

    It was refreshing to see some politically incorrect honesty but it wasn’t tactful from a strategic point of view.

    I think he should shut the borders but make it clear we aren’t going to send back agricultural workers. Tax the companies that employ them but don’t send them back.

    Close off the annual swath we take from random countries. There is no constitutional requirement that we take immigrants for the sake of it.

  23. @JohnPlywood

    White men won’t vote for Trump because they have realized he is a buffoon, plus they are the ones who are winning under diversity and wokeism, anyway. The only Trump supporters left are off-whites and feminists.

    You should seek help.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  24. Trump continues to gain with the uneducated and low IQ regardless of race and continues to lose support among educated Republicans. He runs and governs as a TV celebrity and most Republicans are sick of it. People who have to run businesses want competency and stability in the White House. Biden may tax us too much but at least he will create a predictable stable environment where we can make rational investment decisions. At the same time plenty of moronic blacks and Latinos buy into the QAnon nonsense and love being entertained by a President who talks in a way they can understand. I‘ve been saying since 2015 that Trump is the first culturally negro President, looks like the NAMs are realizing that.

    • Agree: Corvinus
    • Disagree: Ben tillman
  25. e.272 says:

    Trump never did follow “the Sailer” strategy as such. He oriented toward downscale whites (or, to paraphrase a recent study, lower middle class whites worried about status collapse amid automation and mass immigration) and this demographic helped him to carry the Rust Belt while losing the suburbs of economically rising, tech-oriented job centers. This process has simply accelerated in the past four years.

    Looking at this at the Channel Islands Harbor here in Ventura County, CA, the big TRUMP 2020 signs are flying on the masts of $500,000+ yatchs and pickup trucks. In 2016, I never saw a Trump sign here. Not sure what that means in terms of votes with a mail-in wildcard.

    Some deep lasting resentment is baked in the cake here and neither Biden nor Trump have the grace to quell it.

    I spend some time the Pasadena area too. No Trump signs anywhere. A few Biden signs. Not nearly as many as there were Hillary signs in 2016 though. Lots of BLM signs. What’s up with that? Passover? Hey mob, don’t kill my eldest son or torch my house. Pass over me when you go looting and killing. What God do they pretition?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  26. Michael S says:

    Still don’t believe the polls. All that’s happened is white people are somewhat less inclined to talk to the media than they were 4 years ago, and far less inclined to say who they’re voting for.

    Would you paint a target on your back?

  27. People who have to run businesses want competency and stability in the White House.

    Business owners favor trump.
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/us-election-investors-favor-trump-economy-biden-covid-19-2020-9-1029573747#

    Biden may tax us too much but at least he will create a predictable stable environment where we can make rational investment decisions.

    What do you call the stock market gains of the last 3 years?

    You don’t even live here so why are you trying to interfere in our election?

    Your analysis is terrible. Stick to European politics.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  28. @Twinkie

    The same process has been happening in the UK for almost two decades now.

    Labour’s working class support gradually eroded. A drop blamed on many factors, but one seen occurring gradually over many elections.

    At the same time, wealthier Brits have trickled away from the Conservatives. A flow slowed by Corbyn at the last vote, but now moving quite rapidly.

    The Progressive left is a strong religious and puritanical movement, it is ideologically highly unified, while the conservatives represent all of the old beliefs, the folk beliefs, ironically including most forms of Christianity, and are ideologically tolerant.

    The contemporary left inherited the working class, but has been pushing them to the Conservatives because of the left’s total disrespect for their culture and beliefs.

    Meanwhile, the left has gradually been making up for it by proselytizing among the upper and middle classes.

    Immigration muddies this picture, but only because the left spares minority groups from some of its ideologically most fervent chastisement.

    We can see the same effect happening in countries with little immigration anyway, including South Korea and parts of Eastern Europe.

    The Great Awokening is a thing. It meets the (false) psychological needs of its potential converts. It allows them to externalise their internal conflicts, putting then on a treadmill of genuine, if ever-diminishing and temporary, relief.

    It is therefore religion shorn of spirituality, hence its ludicrous moralising and pathetically weak rationalizations. Those two elements exist merely as a smokescreen. They are not why believers believe. Believers believe only because it directs their internal conflicts outwards.

    Religion without spirituality, or, clearer, religion without introspection, is an engine for social conflict. It tends to end very badly.

    Progressivism does ape spirituality sometimes. It calls for adherents to deconstruct their own whiteness etc. But this is not spiritual struggle at all. No one’s deep shames actually relate to such dribble. People’s personal lives are actually personal!

    If someone says they are living their truth, but they got there just by reading a book and without a genuine journey, including near death experiences, dark nights of the soul, temporary psychosis, suicidal ideation etc, then they are lying to themselves and you. Or, really, they had the most incredible parents. As in, genuinely spiritually enlightened parents.

    So much easier to affect introspection and say you feel ashamed of your pretend part in some morality play situated 150 years ago than to actually accept all of who you are as a person, including the darkest depths of your unconscious.

    This is why so many progressives come across as either turbulent rage monsters or soulless fanatics. Or maybe it is a chicken and egg thing. Progressivism finds those unable to do internal work or perhaps holds people back from such work?

    Having said that, sometimes people do reach internal alignment by working through something abstract and external, but then that would require a deep understanding of all sides of the conflict and this is not something that progressives seem to be enamoured of.

    • Thanks: Calvin Hobbes, Dissident
    • Replies: @anon
  29. Anonymous[478] • Disclaimer says:

    KUSHNERISM: Trading 10% of whites for 10% of minorities!

    Do the math and it’s almost as if Kushner wants his stepdad to lose.

    This entire political calculation is idiotic but it keeps you respectable in kosher Manhattan and kosher Palm Beach. That is Trump’s world. Literally he’s a supergoy who commutes between the two most Jewish towns in America.

    Btw Trump’s idiotic swamp choice for AG — Bill Barr the bagpipe playing son of the man who hired Jeff Epstein at a prep school in Manhattan — just ended the FISA unmasking scandal investigation with no charges. Is Barr trying to humiliate Trump? Wants Trump to lose?

  30. @Thomas

    I’m afraid even the Sailer strategy won’t work as long as prestige media works 24/7 to blast Trump or Trumplike candidates.

    Whites (especially the ones in Northern/Western states) pay too much attention to the news, their favorite tv/movie franchises, and comic books. All of those institutions aligned against Donald Trump in an unprecedented way.

    Coronavirus checks, no new wars, the official validation of many conspiracies, and a decent economy weren’t enough for the do-gooders- they’ve been brainwashed that all that matters is the “right side of history.”

    That’s all there is to this finding. It’s an indication that many middle-class minorities are somewhat cynical and look out for themselves, while more middle class whites are becoming a bunch of Pollyanna’s obsessed with their abstract principles.

    I think Trump also lost some support among marginally employed leftist/libertarian men who only supported him because they thought he’d cause chaos. Chaos hasn’t happened so they’ve hopped on board the BLM/Antifa train to have a chance at fighting and rumbling in the streets.

  31. Audacious Epigone is relying on flawed YouGov stats. Polling has become very difficult. Video link below explains.

    Trump is killing it with white male blue collar workers this election, more so than in 2016.

    Trump voters are much more enthusiastic than Biden voters. When there’s been a big enthusiasm gap the presidential candidate with the most voter enthusiasm has won every time, beginning with George Washington.

    Super-lawyer and political bettor Robert Barnes (@Barnes_Law on Twitter) made ~500K betting on Trump in 2016. He has a 100% success rate in predicting presidential elections.

    Yesterday on a podcast with ace pollster Richard Baris (@Peoples_Pundit), Barnes said Trump would win, as he’s been saying for months. For a summation of the data points that point to a Trump victory, go to the 2:20:00 point of the podcast: https://youtu.be/o-vt-WCcW38

    Watch the entire video if you want to lnow why YouGov stinks and why Barnes and Baris think Nate Silver is a fraud and a liar. Best election analysis you’ll probably ever see.

    Too bad Barnes isn’t advising Trump or serving as his Chief of Staff. He warned about many of Trump’s worst appointments, including Gina Haspel and Christopher Wray. He said an Amy Coney Barrett nomination would resurrect pre-existing conditions as a major issue, which it did.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  32. @John Johnson

    Trump’s support among investors is a lot less than it was in 2016. And don’t confuse the stock market with the economy. Trump keeps doing that and it’s one reason he’s flailing so badly.

    You have no idea where I live.

  33. @John Johnson

    Keep coping, Pedro.

    Trump supporters should seek a police station to surrender their weapons to, immediately. If not, the self-inflicted shotgun wounds that will be erupting all across this country will make the Fourth of July celebrations seem like microwave popcorn by comparison, when Trump loses in November.

    Actually, it’s women and minorities who should seek help.

    https://www.weareresonate.com/2020/10/asian-american-unemployment-rates-increase-450-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/

    ASIAN AMERICAN UNEMPLOYMENT RATES INCREASE 450% AMID CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC

    Asian American mental health issues have also increased 39%

    Unemployment rates among Asian Americans have increased 450% during the Coronavirus pandemic.

    A report published by McKinsey & Co highlighted the data, which showed the increase from February to June 2020.

    Throughout the pandemic, Asian Americans went from having one of the lowest unemployment rates to one of the highest.

    White Americans have a current unemployment rate of 7%, whereas the rate among Asian Americans is 8.9%.

    Mental health issues have also risen 39% among Asian Americans.

    https://msmagazine.com/2020/10/06/care-report-womens-mental-health-crisis-coronavirus-covid-19/

    A new report from humanitarian organization CARE is pointing to an overlooked crisis: women’s mental health. The report is one of the only pandemic reports examining the specific gendered effects of the COVID-19 pandemic—effects that are cause for global concern.

    According to the report, women were almost three times more likely than men (at 27 percent, compared to 10 percent of men) to report that their mental health had been impacted by the pandemic. Women cited issues such as skyrocketing unpaid care burdens and worries about livelihoods, food, and health care—all of which are causing rising rates of anxiety, stress, and other mental health issues.

    Additionally, women were almost twice as likely as men to report having trouble accessing health services, including access to maternal, sexual and reproductive health—a lack of access which could prove deadly.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Anonymous
  34. Gordo says:
    @DextersLabRat

    All he needs to say is “no more immigration from third world countries, full stop” and he wins in a landslide.

    He could also promises to build a border wall, now there’s an idea.

    • LOL: Hugo Silva
  35. Moses says:

    Trump has pandered harder to Blacks, Hispanics, even Asians than any President in living memory.

    Not once has Trump mentioned Whites.

    “Sailer Strategy” it ain’t.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Known Fact
    , @Anonymous
  36. @Twinkie

    The white managerial class is now firmly Democrat.

    And I wrote in response:

    this analysis is spot on. There has been a complete collapse in support for Trump among suburban, college-educated voters.

    But when we say managerial class and suburban college educated, is that really true across the board?

    Is it true of most doctors? Engineers? CPAs? Business managers? Pharmacists? I mean White ones.

    I see a lot of references teachers, government workers, HR types. And something they call the “creative classes”. I’m sure they vote heavy Dem.

  37. gent says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Actually the H1-B issue is the only wedge the RNC could possibly use to pry Philly and Pittsburgh from the left. It wasn’t so bad a few years ago but now it feels like every other person a firm hires is a subcontinental or han.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  38. @Adam Grant

    “Trump voters are much more enthusiastic than Biden voters. When there’s been a big enthusiasm gap the presidential candidate with the most voter enthusiasm has won every time, beginning with George Washington”

    So a cold, wet election day will boost Trump.

  39. Rob McX says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    A landslide is no good if he doesn’t win Pennsylvania, where there are few immigrants and other issues dominate.

    He can’t lose Pennsylvania and win the election?

    • Replies: @Polynikes
  40. @wren

    What exactly is a Donald Trump Republican? RINO? CINO? ALBINO?

  41. @Peter Akuleyev

    People who have to run businesses want competency and stability in the White House. Biden may tax us too much but at least he will create a predictable stable environment where we can make rational investment decisions.

    Joe Biden is a senile joke and a tool of the radical left. The only thing he’ll be creating is a mess in his Depends.

    One watches this frail, fragile, disintegrating shell of a man amble to the podium and stumble incoherently through his word-salad stump speech, jumbling disparate thoughts together, slurring his words and mangling his syntax, and one thinks, “This is the Democrats’ mighty Trump-Slayer? This is their Great White Hope?” How anyone can watch this pathetic soul twisting in the wind and see anything other than an eviscerated wreck of a political hack is beyond me.

    You want a prediction? All right, here goes.

    In the best-case scenario, the Goldman Sachs types will do fine, just fine. (They always do, don’t they?) But what’s left of the middle class will be completely hollowed out. And, best of all, those stupid Midwest beer-swillers will finally learn their place once and for all. Die, proles, die!

    In the worst-case scenario, the only rational investment decision will be to liquidate your accounts and stuff your fiat money underneath your mattress. With any luck, the rampaging mobs will skip your house when they finally reach your block.

  42. Nodwink says:
    @Anon

    I hope that Trump retweets this, I really do.

  43. tyrone says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    I want to see dem zombies walking around like demoralized Bidens.

  44. LondonBob says:

    YouGov is a poor pollster. That said Trump is improved upon in places like Florida and Arizona compared to last time. Richard Baris has said he finds good support for Trump amongst Cubans and Venezuelans in Miam-Dade, so to some extent a foreign policy element. That said I think he is doing better amongst Latins, he was demonised by the media amongst this group last time, reality is he wasn’t the monster, he has a certain Latin style and a lot are put off by the Democrats’ extremism and blackety black routine.

    He seems to be doing the same in the ‘Rust Belt’ states as he was at this point last time, bearing in mind the White share of the vote drops every four years, so I doubt he is doing worse amongst Whites, in fact pollsters who bother to find the mythical WWC voter find high levels of enthusiasm, look at his rallies. Biden was chosen because he still has some appeal with these voters, so Trump is doing fine to hold him to Hillary levels. Blacks are apathetic again, I doubt Trump will do any better or worse, Latins he will improve upon, whilst he will likely replicate his prior result with Whites.

    If Trump closes strongly and the enthusiasm gap remains the same I could see Trump improving upon 2016. Still possible he could lose very narrowly. So a range of 259 to as high as 325 is likely, if Trump picks up just one of MI, MN, PA, WI he will win.

    The issue is the chaos the Democrats will create if Trump does win narrowly, as I think is likely.

  45. Polynikes says:
    @Adam Grant

    Agree. With all do respect to audacious epignome he comes up with some garbage polls. His analysis then downstream is similarly flawed. GIGO.

    Most actual polling shows Trump, and republicans as a whole, down with white voters for one reason: covid-19. And they lost support where they should be strong—with older white voters. Look at polls from one year ago compared to today if you want proof.

    It’s the one thing keeping Biden in the race, and the Dems and the establishment have played the card mercilessly. Once you understand that this is all political, everything makes more sense. (And if you don’t believe me go take a look at the “science “ some of these governors attach to their executive orders for shutdowns and the like. It would make a middle school science teacher blush.)

    Lockdowns are losing their political appeal, which is why Biden demurred on it at the debate. The number one politically popular issue: masks. People think they work (they don’t) and find security in them. Hence all the political spectacle with them and such even though numerous Dem politicians have been caught off camera flaunting how stupid they are. Even Trump had to come around to the mask thing when they were polling above 80% this summer.

    Not everything is about race. The Dems needed a Hail Mary and got one in March. Trump’s been fighting back uphill since then. I would put his odds at 50/50 or slightly greater.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Michael S
  46. Polynikes says:
    @Rob McX

    He can but he’d need 3/4 of AZ, Mn, WI, and MI. They’re all roughly coin flips. So the odds are much greater if he takes one of those and Pennsylvania where he’s doing better.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
  47. anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @wren

    Matt Gaetz reveals he lives with a 19-year-old Cuban immigrant whom … Nestor in which he described him as a “local student” and a “helper.

  48. OT:

    He Built a Shrine to Trump and Prayed for His Health. Then He Collapsed.

    Bussa Krishna, a farmer who called President Trump his god, stopped eating after Mr. Trump became infected with the coronavirus, his family said. He died on Sunday.

    In India, where throngs admire President Trump, one rural farmer worshiped him like a god, praying to a life-size statue of Mr. Trump in his backyard every morning … “At first everyone in the family thought he was mentally disturbed, but he kept at it and everyone eventually came around,” said …a cousin of the farmer, Bussa Krishna. When Mr. Trump announced he had the coronavirus, it devastated Mr. Krishna …village headman said that the young farmer had also been drawn to Mr. Trump’s “straightforward ways and blunt speech.” … Neighbors did not know much about American politics and had no opinion of Mr. Trump, he added. But since Mr. Krishna was such a huge fan, they embraced his cause as a courtesy, even if it struck them as a little odd.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/world/asia/india-trump-fan-dies.html

    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    , @duncsbaby
  49. Marty T says:
    @Neoconned

    With Hispanics being the one group Trump’s increased with since 2016, makes me wonder if he throws a hail mary at New Mexico and gives up on the upper Midwest. New Mexico and Nevada could get Trump to 270.

  50. Rich says:
    @Moses

    I think Trump’s “appeals” to minorities in general, and blacks in particular, are actually appeals to “goodwhites” who get all choked up about “black suffering “. By offering plans to once again “save the Negro”, he satisfies the religious obligations of these soft Whites which will enable them to vote Trump.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  51. Here’s something you can take to the bank:

    The biggest increase in voting for any group in the 2020 election will be in working class non-Hispanic white males age 35 and above, who favor Trump by a wide margin (~30 points I think).. The turnout for this group may set a record. Their enthusiasm is through the roof and their numbers have been increasing relative to other voters in new voter registrations, especially in 2020.

    More Republicans have registered to vote than Democrats by a significant margin this election cycle, a key predictor.

    The percentage of votes cast by younger voters 18-29 will be depressed in 2020. That helps Trump.

    Trump on track to win 320 electoral votes as of 2 weeks ago, per Robert Barnes. Wild card: ACB hearings/pre-existing conditions.

    Sources: Robert Barnes @Barnes_Law and Richard Baris @Peoples_Pundit and their highly informative Monday 10-12-2020 podcast (summary of podcast starts at around 2:20:00):

    • Thanks: SC Rebel
  52. Thirdtwin says:

    Not buying the ten point drop in white support. Not at all.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @SC Rebel
  53. AndrewR says:

    For years, Trump has for clearly focused on getting black people to vote for him, while taking white voters for granted. I can’t wait for him to lose and to see his subsequent childish tantrums as he’s dragged out of the White House

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
  54. @Thomas

    The Kushner Strategy isn’t what’s won him unprecedented (for a Republican) Hispanic support. Kushner strategy is various things “for Israel”, like the peace deals for what they’re worth. I imagine tax cuts for the rich is another component.

    Trump’s media persona may turn off liberal white women, but it doesn’t turn off Mexicans.

    Men With Gold Bathrooms are to be looked up to there, not looked down on as in liberal Whitopias.

    (PiltdownMan – the Guardian said he stopped eating when Trump went into hospital)

  55. ATBOTL says:

    Trump’s entire strategy since being elected has been to triangulate against his base. His base are mostly morons who defend Trump when he sells them out. What strikes me is how little the mentality of white conservatives has changed since the Bush regime era. We see the same blind allegiance to a leader over policy or ideology and the same cucky bullshit about how “we have to give the other side what they want so they stop saying mean things about us, then we win.”

  56. Travis says:
    @DextersLabRat

    More Trump voters have passed away over the last few years than Hillary voters. And this will effect the election in key battleground states.

    Pennsylvania is a good example. 2.9 million voted for Trump in 2016 and he won the state by 45,000 votes. Since that election, over 500,000 white Pennsylvanians have died and 50,000 Non-Whites have died. https://www.health.pa.gov/topics/HealthStatistics/VitalStatistics/DeathStatistics/Documents/Death_AgeSexRaceYear_PA_2014_2018.pdf

    135,500 Pennsylvanians passed away in 2017
    118,600 of the deaths were White (88% of deaths)

    134,600 Pennsylvanians passed away in 2018
    118,000 of the deaths were White (88% of deaths)

    133,000 Pennsylvanians passed away in 2019
    117,000 of the deaths were White (88% of deaths)

    We should expect more deaths this year. in the years after Trump was elected over 500,000 White Pennsylvanians died. 70% of elderly Pennsylvanians vote. 65% of the elderly whites in PA voted for Trump Based on the number of white deaths, Trump will need to get thousands of more whites to vote for him in order to make up for the ~220,000 Trump voters in PA who have passed away over the last few years. While about 100,000 Hillary voters have died since 2016. So if everyone who is still alive from 2016 voted exactly the same way in 2020, Trump loses PA by 80,000 votes to Biden.

    also interesting that of the ~550,000 Pennsylvania deaths since 2016, ~8,000 were related to COVID. So coronavirus has not killed a significant number of Trump voters. Old age, Cancer and Heart disease took most of them.

    • Replies: @bruce county
  57. President Trummp has “not one racist bone in my entire body.” – He is a good guy. – – Just like President Jimmy Carter once was.

  58. peterike says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    He runs and governs as a TV celebrity and most Republicans are sick of it.

    No, he doesn’t. As usual, you’re just a weathervane for the Conventional Wisdom.

    People who have to run businesses want competency and stability in the White House.

    So you think the lack of “stability” is Trump’s fault? Yeah, I guess maybe Trump spied on his own campaign, open a fraudulent investigation on himself about his non existent Russia ties, led a fraudulent impeachment against himself and is secretly paying the media to blatantly lie about him 24×7. Sure, yeah, it’s Trump’s fault.

    Biden may tax us too much but at least he will create a predictable stable environment where we can make rational investment decisions.

    Lol! Yup, I can’t imagine what could bring more stability than handing the government over to a gang of radical Leftists.

    Well thank goodness you keep showing up around here because every village needs its idiot, and we’ve got you.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  59. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    A few months ago I noticed an interesting poll that Millennials are now more pro—Trump than anti-Trump. If Trump has both the Boomers (which he got last time) and Millennials then he’s won. Millennials have been hit hard by the Covid shutdowns and scared stiff by the riots. The latter is something they’ve never experienced in their lifetimes before. They were all born after the 60s.

    They never knew until now it’s possible to kill the Golden Goose that lays the eggs if you let blacks and white anarchists riot and destroy their workplaces. They have never experienced an America where criminals are just let free to commit more crimes instead of going to jail. Millennials know they’re not going to die of Covid and they want their jobs, and they want to be safe from black crime.

    Secondly, Biden and Harris were polling lousy with Democrats before they were shoehorned into the nomination by the Democratic party elite. This is not a winning formula that produces turnout.

  60. MLK says:

    It’s hard to get our minds around in light of how much noise there’s been, but as a general proposition accept that the array of anti-Trump forces, domestic and foreign, are little changed from 2016.

    Trump really has been a ‘Promises Made, Promises Kept’ president to a degree astounding given his agenda four years ago.

    I’ve been arguing since last year that he was on track to win historic support from blacks and Hispanics for a Republican in the modern era. That goes a long way in explaining the reactive, repeated double-down, nasty Identity Politics of the Democrats and Allied media since then.

    Under the rubric of fighting the last war, the Democrats (and their Allied Media) have greatly increased their voter fraud capacity, after their now memory-holed 2016 efforts fell short. Suffice it to say that to the extent that Trump is doing significantly better among these groups this time, both in terms of actual votes and the correlated lower turnout for Biden, vote stealing in key states may prove a Bridge Too Far again. How ironic that will be.

    Trump has had some attrition among the oldsters. Mostly because they are consumers of old-style media and have been conditioned by a Soviet-style hate campaign throughout Trump’s first term. Watch local news and the broadcast networks evening newscasts if you don’t know what I’m talking about. Most simply have no awareness whatsoever of how infirm and thus unfit Biden is.

    The Democrats and their Allied Media never really settled on a name for the whites flagged in this polling data as Trump losses. After 2016, they were said to be either ‘College Educated’ and/or disaffected ‘Suburban Republicans.’

    We don’t really have an agreed upon term for this cohort. Which I think traverses three generations of whites wholly invested in the fullness of Obama’s new regime. They’re fully invested in their children prospering as a part of the Coalition of the Fringes.

    This goes a long way to explaining why mainstream media is loathe to mention Antifa. These freaks are the children (and grandchildren) of upper middle and middle class whites.

  61. fnn says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    A vote for the D ticket is not a vote for the rapidly failing Biden, but a vote for Intersectionality, Cancel Culture purges and blacklists, Critical Race Theory and unending jihads against “white supremacy” and “white privilege” and white people in general. Also ISIS-type destruction of what remains of the symbols of the historic American nation. Plus-based on the rhetoric of the last four years- unending riots at home and war with Russia.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  62. @JohnPlywood

    Beleive me among my friends and extended family not one among about 50 is voting for orang tang, not one in my family and extended family are married to whites all married to chinese and asians ,brothers and men cousins married to latina, white or japanese and majority chinese,the girls are married to majority chinese and two to other asians, your a incel the only asian women you see are in porn or your dreams.

  63. Number 6 says:
    @Anon

    Sinclair’s testimony is definitely real, but that picture of “Michael” Obama might be photoshoped, has it been vetted?

  64. What changes did President Obama bring to US schools – and what was the result?

  65. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @e.272

    Door Co, WI, traditionally GOP-leaning, now has easily ten times Biden yard signs over Trump. And total is about the same as in 2016. Not a good sign for Trump’s prospects in WI in general.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  66. Trump seems to be everyone’s talisman. He apparently serves their need to vent their emotional spleens. Variously, he:

    – Is an evil Nazi masquerading as centrist politician
    – Is God-Emperor
    – Is so stupid he can’t find his a** with both hands and a map
    – Is so fiendishly clever and manipulative he puts Machiavelli to shame
    – Is controlled by Putin-Xi
    – Is a master puppeteer of Putin-Xi
    – Will be drowned/buried in a tidal wave/landslide by the Biden-Harris ticket
    – Will drown/bury Biden-Harris in a tidal wave/landslide

    Let’s come back to earth for a minute. In reality, Trump is a popular New York-based real-estate businessman/TV personality, a perfect reflection of the mass-media Baby Boomer age (born and grew up entirely during/after the widespread availability of television and movie entertainment). As a politician, he’s been about average among the 45 who have been elected (himself included), with some policy successes (taxes, immigration, Supreme Court and lower court appointees) and failures (Obamacare replacement, immigration). Everyone wants to saddle him with pandemic response “failure”, and I am not unsympathetic to some of the criticisms, but I digress. We’ve hashed the COVID-19 topic in multiple past posts and threads, so I’ll stop here.

    More data:

    [MORE]

    Since the coalescence of the 2-party system with Jackson’s first term in 1828, no victorious candidate has come close to sniffing the magical 66.6% popular vote count (does not really matter in Presidential voting, really more for Congress in super-majority requirements to override vetoes) that would give a president a solid case of claiming a “mandate” for policy governance. Four have reached 60% or slightly above (Johnson 61% – 1964; FDR 60.8% – 1936; Nixon 60.7% – 1972; Harding 60.3% – 1920). Incredibly, the AVERAGE victorious popular vote percentage since Jackson’s first victory is only 51.8%; close elections are the norm in presidential elections. But this is a feature, not a bug. Others have noted many times in many other posts and comments here at iSteve and Unz that our republic was set up specifically and intentionally to guard against the extremes of tyranny, whether it is a one-person dictatorship, or a dictatorship of the mob (democracy).

    And for those of you convinced Trump will lose a close election to Biden, I have two words for you: Grover Cleveland (another vintage New Yorker).

    Trump is just the kind of personality who would not take defeat lying down (even after he legitimately concedes within the framework of much election chicanery); he has that competitive personality. I could easily see him being a thorn in the side of the potential Democratic administration, constantly and loudly criticizing every policy move/proposal, starting legal challenges when bad outcomes result from policy, etc. He’ll have plenty of backers, both with finances and amongst his popular base. The Democrats won’t want to go after him (prison or forced exile) for fear of making him a martyr, even if they control the propaganda media. So Trump will constantly make his case and run for the Republican Party nomination again in 2024, and has a better than even chance of succeeding.

    Yes, I get the long-term demographic critique and what possible course the republic can take from that, but many other variables are at play that affect demographics and will evolve in ways not foreseen. The future is never what people expect it to be (either good or bad), it just is; some parts of it will be good, some will be bad, and it will depend on your perspective which is which. In the very long run, it’s moot anyway; entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics) implies EVERYTHING will come to an end. If stars and galaxies have a lifespan, homo sapiens does too (I’m a Christian, so my view of the long-term is both different-spiritual, and yet, the same-there WILL be an End Times, eventually).

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    , @Paul Mendez
  67. @Adam Grant

    Older white blue collar men like him. Some of the younger ones I know supported him in 2016 yet don’t this time around, even in a red state. They’ve been swept into BLM/Antifa because I think they like the idea of revolution and fighting. It’s really quite stupid; they don’t understand BLM will throw them under the bus in a heartbeat and isn’t interested in solidarity of the proletariat or whatever these guys think.

    I think Trump is more popular among centrists and women (over 30 of course) this time around, too. I don’t think boaters were a particularly enthusiastic Republican demographic until recently, yet all you see on the waterways around here are boats with Trump flags. Compared to the average person living near the coast, the boater is less of a redneck and more of a white collar wino type.

  68. 3g4me says:
    @DextersLabRat

    @1 DextersLAbRat: And all those who believe anything said by Trump or any other politician will continue getting the government they deserve, good and hard.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  69. Rob McX says:
    @Captain Tripps

    As a politician, he’s been about average among the 45 who have been elected…

    And for those of you convinced Trump will lose a close election to Biden, I have two words for you: Grover Cleveland…

    It’s because of Cleveland that Trump is really the 44th, not the 45th, president. When Cleveland served a second, non-consecutive term, he was counted twice.

    Also, of the 44 presidents, only 43 were elected as president or VP – all except Ford, that is.

    Good comment, BTW (I’m just a compulsive nitpicker).

    • Thanks: Captain Tripps
  70. @DextersLabRat

    Making too few grandiose proclamations is not one of Trump’s shortcomings.

  71. The only solution is Separation, including reform of the franchise.

    BTW, whom will Harris pick for VP when she becomes president? Beto O’Rourke? Joe Neguse? Hakeem Jeffries?

    She’s not one for half-measures.

  72. J.Ross says:
    @Dieter Kief

    Obama accelerated the stupefication of non-elite children begun (for our purposes) under W (in a larger sense that began far earlier) with a contemptuous program (newer math as “Common Core;” W’s teach to the test garbage was “No Child Left Behind”). One of the bureaucrats who designed it laughed in a speech later about how stupid people were and how easy it was to lie to them. Many teachers complained, videos are out there. As far as the effects, everyone I know is either home schooling or knows that school is trash and seeks lots of extra study help outside the system, but that may not be representative.

    • Thanks: Dieter Kief
  73. @Captain Tripps

    The Democrats won’t want to go after him (prison or forced exile) for fear of making him a martyr…

    I disagree.

    Should he lose, The Swamp will ruthlessly destroy Trump and his family to ensure that no outsider will ever again have the audacity to challenge the System.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Captain Tripps
  74. @JohnPlywood

    Women “report” this, women “report” that. Meaningless. Women “report” all kinds of things every day of the year, occasionally comporting with observable reality.

    And don’t worry about the Asians. They have their dogs to keep them happy.

    https://mol.im/a/8838527

  75. Anon[523] • Disclaimer says:

    So … what if all the polls are off because this year’s shy Trump voters are minorities, with Trump’s lead among them even higher than the polls suggest.

  76. @RichardTaylor

    But those same whites will be forever disenfranchised and dispossessed, so raised awareness (which is a stretch anyway) will just make it more painful.

    Have a look at what the Dems are planning for in January. It ain’t pretty, but it will cement their dominance–maybe forever.

    They’ll use that dominance to prevent the emergence of any potential opposition, and will happily imprison or execute anyone who tries.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  77. epebble says:
    @AnotherDad

    “That’s why today, i’m issuing an executive order to stop any further issuance of immigration visas, or permanent residency in the United States, to protect the livelihood of all Americans, our children and grandchildren and all generations to come.”

    That needs legislation; Can not be done by Executive Order. However, if he issues an EO and it quickly gets stopped by the nearest District Court, it may become a political issue and that may benefit him.

    But seeing not a single question was asked on immigration during the debates, may be it is not an issue voters are thinking much about.

    • Thanks: Dissident
  78. Thomas says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Blaming the media for being unfair to any Republican is pretty lame. That’s been the case since the 1960s at least. It’s just a background condition, nothing new, and one that Republican politicians have had to adapt to and work around. Trump used to be able to do it and even have ways of using the media against itself. To the extent anything has changed, they’ve gotten even more brazen and fanatical. Unfortunately, Trump hasn’t gotten any better at communicating with the public around them, even with the biggest bully pulpit in the world. He seems to have gotten even worse at it, in fact.

    • Agree: Mike_from_SGV
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
  79. Rahan says:

    The Progressive left is a strong religious and puritanical movement, it is ideologically highly unified, while the conservatives represent all of the old beliefs, the folk beliefs, ironically including most forms of Christianity, and are ideologically tolerant.

    The contemporary left inherited the working class, but has been pushing them to the Conservatives because of the left’s total disrespect for their culture and beliefs.

    Meanwhile, the left has gradually been making up for it by proselytizing among the upper and middle classes.

    Pro-anal and pro-drug neopuritanism. Very true. The 21st century is delightful.

  80. JMcG says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Few immigrants? In Pennsylvania?

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    , @Reg Cæsar
  81. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood

    You’re getting as bad as your commenting buddy Pete. Most Asian-Americans (as a percentage of the total Asian-American population) live in states like California, Hawaii, Washington, and New York. And in counties in those states that are very poorly run by Democrats, whose excessive lockdown plans were designed, and run, by authoritarian idiots. That certainly caused the Asian-American unemployment rate to skyrocket.

  82. Rob McX says:
    @black sea

    I was going to post that myself. It’s like something from Clickhole.

  83. Anonymous[721] • Disclaimer says:
    @gent

    Why would they do that? The Republican party wants White America entirely liquidated because they are increasingly anti-imperial, either because of leftist reasons or just plain fatigue. Hindustanis are a bulwark and lifeline to the judeo-postwar order within America. Anti-White, anti-China, anti-Muslim. Just what the (((doctor))) ordered. Conservatives in America — the lowend ones without any power — can’t reach logical conclusions because everything they think and believe is wrong. They just go deeper and deeper into the structures and institutions that work against them, oftentimes very openly. I don’t think anyone has internalized multicultural “shitlib” agitprop more deeply than a typical conservative Republican, esepcially evangelical military type retards.

  84. anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adam Grant

    Nate Silver is a fraud and a liar.

    Nate was predicting Clinton at 85% and Trump at 15% on October 14,2016. He is predicting Trump at 13% and Biden at 87% today. Trump went on to 29% on election day 2016 (Nove.7th) and win. Looks like his algorithms are sane. Anyone can see Trump is at a slight disadvantage vis a vis 2016 due to both the opponent (Biden instead of Hillary) and, more importantly, the impact of Covid. He may still end up winning, albeit narrowly. However, remember, he won by 70,000 vote difference in 2016. Three times as many have died due to Covid and 100 times as many have been infected with the disease.

    • Replies: @epebble
  85. Anonymous[721] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polynikes

    Trump told White Americans everything he had to with the measly $1200, but unlimited money for israel and $6T bailout for Wall St.

  86. Beckow says:
    @DextersLabRat

    After 4 years you would like more promises? More talk?

    It’s over, Trump has not done what people elected him to do. He is either incompetent or he lied. On all metrics the people who voted for Trump are worse of than in 2016 and people who were against Trump are better of. If you think that’s an accident, well…keep on hoping.

  87. Awbnid says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    I live in southeastern PA. Have for almost my whole life.

    My former elementary school is, I shit you not, now majority Indian.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
  88. MEH 0910 says:

    Ice Cube is momentarily trending on Twitter:
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Ice%20Cube%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

    Here’s why:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  89. vinteuil says:

    Blaming the media for being unfair to any Republican is pretty lame.

    No. It’s effective politics, at least in part because it’s so obviously true.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  90. Doesn’t anybody here know how to play this game?

    It’s more important to win the White vote by a wide margin than to pander for the non-White vote to gain a few percentage more of the non-White vote. You’ll anger your White voters for a few non-White voter crumbs; counterproductive to say the least.

    Trump may get more non-White votes in Los Angeles or New York City or some other areas, but he will lose his White voter advantage in the crucially important Electoral College states in the Great Lakes area that gained him a victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016. Florida and Arizona Whites are giving Trump the middle finger and Trump can scream all day about gaining a few percentage more of the non-White vote in Florida or Arizona for nothing but a sand castle and the tide is coming in, Trumpy!

    Trump is electoral toast on November 3 because Trump has backstabbed his White Core American voter base and the Republican Party is going to recreate the Hindenburg conflagration in a fiery electoral wipe-out meltdown on November 3.

    Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) are vital to the Republican Party boobs and those boobs have backstabbed and abandoned those WWCDs. Whites Without College Degrees will abandon the rancid and putrid Republican Party.

    Whites With College Degrees(WWithCDs) are on a Continuity Bias bender and the ill-gotten gains they’ve gotten from the monetary extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank will keep them in a zombie state till after the election and they’ll vote like bastards for that bastard Biden and that mixed race harridan Harris.

    Tweet from 2014 and 2015:

  91. @Paul Mendez

    I understand your disagreement; one unspoken rule in American politics is that once a president has taken their turn in the arena, both parties salute their past tenure and don’t attempt to criminalize the ex-president for policy differences. Of course, as a private citizen, any ex-president is subject to local, state and federal laws like any other private citizen. Up until Clinton, ex-presidents publicly refrained from open criticism of any successors. But, as mentioned, Clinton and his successors have broken that tradition. If Trump advocates legitimate policy positions in opposition to a subsequent administration, and they attempt to after him through aggressive lawfare, or worse, implied threats of violence, in order to silence him, then we will have crossed a major threshold. Nothing good is on the other side. The elites will have metaphorically cut their own throats at that point.

  92. @Thomas

    I’m not that old so I only have Bush for comparison but the media hyperventilates way more over Trump. And it’s incessant. And you didn’t have nonpartisan organizations like Scientific American coming after Bush to make special statements about how his existence was some kind of planetary emergency.

    I agree with you that Trump is an ineffective messenger, though. Too blustery and doesn’t seem to read widely or memorize the necessary facts to defend himself. My point is I think the media’s strategy of wearing down the population by constantly going on and on about Trump is finally working, especially on middle class whites. It’s like death by a thousand cuts.

  93. Muggles says:
    @Anonymous

    Door Co, WI, traditionally GOP-leaning, now has easily ten times Biden yard signs over Trump. And total is about the same as in 2016. Not a good sign for Trump’s prospects in WI in general.

    Do you think that putting a Trump/Pence sign up in your yard there might be like attracting ants to a picnic?

    Or some of the mental defectives in antifa?

  94. Muggles says:
    @3g4me

    And all those who believe anything said by Trump or any other politician will continue getting the government they deserve, good and hard.

    Yes, just like always.

    You must be great fun at parties after a couple of drinks…

    Hopeless cynicism is always so amusing to others.

  95. @S. Anonyia

    You’re bang on with your analysis here. The constantly reinforced social stigma attached to Trump support, high even for a Republican, has just become too much for many “swing voter” type whites to bear. The rise in minority support for DJT shows that it’s harder for them to be cowed in similar ways because 24/7 kill the boer rhetoric isn’t suited to shaming them.

  96. @JohnPlywood

    Is there a FULL RETARD button?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  97. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910


  98. @Twinkie

    Trumps policies are better for college-educated whites than for any other demographic. Those who vote for Biden are either (a) voting against Trump’s personality or (b) voting to be fashionable and to conform to class norms established and enforced by the Left. It has nothing to with policy or being “oriented toward downscale whites”.

  99. No0biE says:

    Educated white women loathe Trump and this is affecting the white male support because being a Trump supporter is a dealbreaker for any professional woman with a job. Dont believe me? Try a profile pic on Tinder with a maga hat and see how it goes.

    The other thing really impacting white support is the critical race theory training that corporate america has embraced this year. Some memo must have gone out by Soros/China that caused all F500 companies to become instantly SJW radicals. It is absolutely shocking how many highly intelligent corporate bigwigs uncritically accept and evangelize this nonsense to their underlings.

    By the way, something Tucker has spoken on but I dont see much about in these parts is how the CCP promotes BLM and antifa mayhem here in the US. Why is the CCP so respected here, does it have something to do with IQ-worship? They are literally an evil empire sinking tentacles into the rest of the world as we speak.

    • Replies: @Alden
  100. Jack D says:
    @Awbnid

    There are clusters of S. Asians in the Philly suburbs but if you look at the state as a whole, Pennsylvania has had less immigration than some other states. Which is not to say that it hasn’t had a lot but other states have had a WHOLE lot. Nearly half of all immigrants live in just three states: California, Texas and Florida and 1 out of 4 live in CA alone. The number of immigrants in CA is close to the TOTAL population of PA.

  101. Flip says:

    The Harris administration is going to be very bad for right leaning white people.

    This is a good essay.

    http://www.myrmikan.com/pub/Myrmikan_Research_2020_10_13.pdf

  102. @JMcG

    Lol. Have you ever LEFT the Keystone State?

  103. @Awbnid

    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    I live in southeastern PA. Have for almost my whole life.

    Pennsylvania is still in the bottom half of states in per capita immigration. Of large states, only Ohio is lower and Michigan tied. Penna. is half as foreign-born as the US as a whole. So if it’s bad there, imagine everywhere else.

    You still have to explain why Trump is doing worse in Pa. than in any other state he carried in 2016, and even some he lost. Are Keystoners that attached to their native son Joe, even though he left for Syracuse and Wilmington, while Trump attended Penn?

    You have no idea what you’re talking about.

    That’s what the kid from Portland told me 30 years ago when I dismissed the crime problems in his hometown. Compared to what, though? He expected me to believe that it was Washington-on-the-Willamette.

  104. @JMcG

    Few immigrants? In Pennsylvania?

    Half the percentage foreign-born of the entire US. Native Californians would kill for Pennsylvania’s 7%.

    Pennsylvania has long been noted for being at the bottom of the lists of states moved into and moved out of. The stay-at-home state. The Cozy Commonwealth.

  105. Michael S says:
    @Polynikes

    The number one politically popular issue: masks. People think they work (they don’t) and find security in them.

    They do work, but only in limited situations, particularly in enclosed indoor spaces with extended contact. And of course they aren’t nearly 100% effective. But they helped to contain the spread in Korea, Japan, etc.

    Lockdowns are increasingly being shown to be entirely ineffective, and wearing a mask when alone or outdoors is just stupid. (Those ads showing a guy alone in his car wearing a mask are pure cringe.)

    I haven’t seen any studies to suggest that masks don’t work at all – they just don’t work the way your average shitlib thinks they work or wants them to work. They’re treating masks like some kind of voodoo charm, as if the more you wear it the safer you are – when all they actually do is help protect other people from you if you happen to be highly contagious and don’t know it.

    Trump has, more or less, been with the actual science (not the “scientific consensus”) at every stage. Unfortunately, more people see the false consensus manufactured and published by the mendacious media than anything resembling real research.

  106. @Thirdtwin

    He dropped ten to twelve points among whites in the three weeks after Floyd’s death. Then he got most of it back, and his support has been sliding again since Judge Roth ended the rioting.

  107. Alden says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Construction and rental property, both residential and commercial thrived during the last 4 years. That’s all I know about and we hire only expensive licensed electricians and $25 an hour shop guys not apprentices but drivers delivers of supplies, clean up, warehouse , general helpers. Copper cables and wire cost a fortune Tenants have paid their rents Clients like google pay us to build their data centers.

    Does the president really matter in business? Is he supposed to be Big Daddy FDR during the depression? I guess it depends on the business.

  108. @Reg Cæsar

    I’m a native Pennsylvanian.

    President Trump’s doing fine here among his base and enthusiasm is decently high among cucky Republicans.

    Biden is definitely popular in places like Luzerne County. His whole bullshit act of pretending to be a Pennsylvanian is popular with some old people.

    I think the southeast and northeast will turn out better for Biden than it did for Clinton, while the west and center will go strongly for Trump. Trump is just now starting to campaign hard here.

  109. The problem with Audacious Epigone’s original post is the crap about how Trump hasn’t done anything for us.

    Forget the wall, people! Are you boomers so blind that you think a wall is more important than what Trump has actually done, namely cutting immigration in half in 4 years???!

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    , @LondonBob
  110. Alden says:
    @No0biE

    For the last 60 years education has been SJW brainwashing. It began with Kennedy worship and then the civil rights movement. It ended up with trannies getting their operations and medical care from the taxpayers via military

    The more educated a person the more they are gullible naive and brainwashed. Even the STEM graduates.

    Liberalism is both a religion and social climbing status display, I’m sure you’ve seen Hispanic women with a rosary around their wrist or cars with little statues of saints. Liberal display is the same thing. Or welfare blacks all gaudily dressed in shoplifted clothes.

    100 years ago upper middle class women used country club junior league and other women’s clubs, debutante daughters exclusive children’s activities and schools clothes, hair , mink coats big 5 carat diamond engagement rings at least 3 “ in help”. furniture and decor. To display their superior status.

    Now days the status symbols are spiritual emotional. Think puritans or pilgrims or any kind of fanatic. Puritans hated religious icons and tore them down. Educated Whites despise and deplore all other Whites, even their next door neighbors and best friends if they say a word or commit a micro aggression

    I don’t like the word educated because they’re just brainwashed. My acronym BCG brain washed college grads.

    My sister was once accused of being gasp, horrors a Republican Why? Because she’s married and has two kids.

    That’s how crazy they are.

    It will be nice if Trump wins because we can watch the liberals weep and wail if he wins again. If Biden wins I doubt the liberals will allow him to loot their 401Ks .

  111. @Dieter Kief

    It doesn’t matter who’s the president.

    Public education will always suck more than last year, e.g. the same or worse outcomes, at higher taxpayer cost.

    [MORE]

    For instance, Portland voters are being asked to approve Measure 26-215: A $1.2B bond.

  112. SC Rebel says:
    @Thirdtwin

    I realize this is anecdotal, but here in the West Suburbs of Chicago, I’ve noticed an increase in the number of Trump signs. In 2016, I hardly saw any.

    I’m not at all suggesting that Trump will win IL, however it’s an indication of the enthusiasm for him.

  113. Alden says:

    Something that epitomizes liberal insanity. Remember that movie Birdcage? Robin Williams and Nathan Lane as a gay couple who own a drag queen club?

    For about the last ten years the gays want it banned because it’s degrading gay stereotypes. When it came out the gays praised it to the skies because it’s gay propaganda

    One thing I really enjoy. Seeing the college professors worrying about students accusing them of micro aggressions. I heard about a middle aged woman professor accused of racism because in her history of the feminazi movement she mentions the feminazi slogan uppity woman. She’s under investigation for using the word uppity and offending the black students.

    Good let the professors get what they deserve for how they brainwashed 3 generations in the liberal religion

  114. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    True and well said.
    It is best to understand Progressivism as a fervent religious movement, which is why the beliefs are impervious to factual or logical rebuttal.

  115. @Moses

    Doesn’t mention whites? He’s been pounding away lately at saving the suburbs from Obama-style section 8 housing

  116. @HammerJack

    Have a look at what the Dems are planning for in January. It ain’t pretty, but it will cement their dominance–maybe forever.

    Just remember, nothing is forever. The moment they get that level of power, politics on the ground will shift.

    The Dems flooded the country with non-Whites for decades. By all predictions, their numbers in Congress should have grown. Instead, the GOP took control in 1992 for the first time in 40 years. Why? Whites started voting more as a block. The opposite of what experts thought.

    I’d predict that as the Dem party gets bigger (if it does), the natural divisions within it will cause problems. And Whites will be even more unified as a block. At this point, things get interesting.

    All we need is enough Whites to finally stop being cucks and be openly pro-White. At this point, things get interesting.

  117. MBlanc46 says:
    @DextersLabRat

    Landslide, maybe not. But it would give him a serious chance at re-election. He won’t do it, and he’ll be turfed out on JAN 20.

  118. MBlanc46 says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Stability? Under Biden and Harris? Maybe in some other possible world.

  119. @fnn

    That is the kind of insanity that people who live in a Fox News bubble might believe. A vote for Biden is basically a vote to return to the neocon consensus we have been living in since 1989. I get why a lot of people on the right consider that consensus to have been a disaster, but on the other hand no President has done more to strengthen the Intersectional, Cancel Culture left than Donald J. Trump. The man has been an abject (and completely predictable) failure. Under Obama the social consensus started moving back to the right, under Trump the country is moving dramatically to the left. Conservatives used to be smart about the law of “unintended consequences” but seem to have become increasingly blind.

  120. @peterike

    Trump’s ties to Russian organized crime are well documented, as are his shady dealings with Deutsche Bank, a money launderer for Russian criminals. The grounds for Trump’s impeachment were also clear, the only hitch being that too many Democrats and establishment Republicans were scared to open that Pandora’s box for fear of what else might jump out. The fact that so many conservatives have decided to defend a man willing to sell out his own country for personal gain is the perhaps the saddest part of the Trump phenomenon.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  121. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    a wall is more important than what Trump has actually done, namely cutting immigration in half in 4 years

    That is a good point, and also illustrates why the Wall was always an expensive and unnecessary project. There are far cheaper and more efficient ways to stop immigration. As a symbol the Wall made political sense, but unfortunately a lot of Trump voters are the sort of people who take that kind of concept literally and now Trump has to live with that.

  122. Anonymous[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses

    “Not once has Trump mentioned Whites.”
    Apparently you don’t read Executive Orders. (See: https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo)
    (And in any case, my take on the “Sailer Strategy” was that it wasn’t about “pandering” to anyone at all, but rathering about winning without pandering.)
    Maybe EVERYONE wins when we have leaders not guided by pandering.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  123. duncsbaby says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Well it’s nice to know Trump still has ardent supporters in fly-over country.

  124. LondonBob says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Trump has delivered a fair amount, I would take him over the useless ‘conservatives’ we get here.

  125. Ed says:
    @DextersLabRat

    He’s the best on immmigration enforcement. If folks are too dumb to see that and want to risk a Biden presidency where there will be no enforcement, they will deserve what comes next

  126. Ed says:

    First off don’t believe the polls fully. Both data points aren’t accurate, people lie, response rates are low and there’s clear evidence that activists and extremely engaged are more likely to respond to them. Nate Cohn, does the NYT polls, shared a map of geographic location of poll respondents. It showed a cluster in urban areas but what’s also interesting is they showed blue dots, for Dems, in counties where Trump won by 40. That’ll throw your polling off.

    The actual number or rate of Dem ballots that are being returned don’t match what they tell pollsters. This could lead to Dems not having the votes they need on Election Day.

  127. KenH says:

    I think whites are down to 68% of the electorate but losing 10% of whites is more than gaining 11% of non-whites. Donald Trump pandered to non-whites more than any president in history and all he gains is a measly 11%. That’s stupidity and hubris, not 4D chess.

  128. CAL2 says:

    You can’t believe the polls. And suburbanites are the most likely to say they don’t support Trump for fear of being found out by their insane neighbors.

  129. I don’t see Trump being 11 percent increase among minorities in the polls. Outside of Florida he is just 26 percent among latinos and about 8 to 11 percent among blacks. The white problem is Trump overpromise the manufacturing jobs in the midwest. People here don’t think that Michigan competes against Alabama for manufacturing jobs. Michigan can’t encourage foreign car companies like Alabama since the labor unions in Michigan opposed that. Alabama is getting a Denmark car company and Toyota-Mazda is creating 4,000 jobs in Huntsville while the big three are not increasing jobs that much in Michigan or Ohio. In fact overpromising jobs in the midwest is why Trump won, but its a partical reason why he is down among non-college educated whites in these states.

  130. epebble says:
    @anon

    In 2016, the election was Nov. 8. This year it is on Nov 3rd. If you count back from the number of days to election, on Oct 20, 2016 he had 13% chance (against Hillary’s 87%). It is 13% against Biden’s 87% today. So, IF he retraces the curve of 2016, he may win by a hair’s breadth again.

  131. Richard B says:
    @Thomas

    As I’ve said a couple of times: he traded the Sailer Strategy for the Kushner Strategy.

    One consequence of this is that the phrase As American as Apple Pie will be changed to As American as Shakshuka.

  132. @Peter Akuleyev

    How do you decide which day you’re Jonathan Mason, which day you’re Corvirus and which day you’re “founding stock American” Peter Jackuloff?

    • LOL: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  133. @Travis

    Old white racist have to die.

    Oprah Winfrey.

  134. High quality pollster Richard Bariss @Peoples_Pundit had super-lawyer/superstar political bettor Robert Barnes on his podcast a few hours ago. Listen to the entire podcast if you want or go to 1:01:00 and listen for 5-10 minute and you will probably realize that Trump will win and likely set a record for getting white male working class votes. Many of you may think Biden is building too big a lead in early voting for Trump to overcome. Truth is, Biden isn’t doing well enough to win. Listen and learn from the best, Barnes and Baris:

  135. Corvinus says:
    @William Badwhite

    NOTICE that even Mr. Sailer has yet to deny these hate facts–Trump’s ties to Russian organized crime are well documented, as are his shady dealings with Deutsche Bank, a money launderer for Russian criminals.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  136. @Corvinus

    They aren’t „hate“ facts. There are a number of posters at Unz who approve of Trump‘s ties to Putin and probably wish they were even closer. A lot of people admire Trump for being above the law and „getting away with“ all sorts of felonies. That’s fine if you hate America. It’s the hypocrites who pretend to be American patriots and „conservative“ while defending Trump that are truly ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  137. Corvinus says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    A “hate fact” in American lingo is something that is so obviously true that people hate it so much they deny it’s existence or they try to explain it away.

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