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Q. Are you surprised that Trump’s appeal does not seem to be working in California, where his warnings about immigration and terror (San Bernardino!) have the most readily available examples?
A. Over the last 30 years, the Trump brand of nouveau riche opulence has appealed to rappers, NBA stars, immigrants, and Mexican oligarchs, but it hasn’t much appealed to the white upper middle class, who find it gauche. After decades of massive immigration to California raising the cost of living and depressing wages, there aren’t many white people left in California below the tasteful upper middle class.
The conventional wisdom about the electoral history of California is another one of those myths that the poor saps in the GOP elite believe because their Democratic friends keep repeating it to them and they’re too lazy to look up the actual numbers. You know, Republican governor Pete Wilson tipped California Democratic in Presidential elections by backing Proposition 187 in 1994, thereby incurring the Righteous Wrath of the Mexican Tidal Wave.
In reality, California tipped permanently Democratic in 1992, two years before Proposition 187. After the GOP won California’s electoral votes nine out of ten times from 1952-1988, Bill Clinton crushed George H.W. Bush by 13.4 points in California, on a day when California elected not one but two Democrats to the Senate.
So what happened in 1992? Largely due to immigration squeezing out white people below the upper middle class, California ran out of the kind of people who naturally vote Republican.
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Steve,
I was speaking with some co-workers yesterday who live in NYC. One of them has a six month old child. They are all married or live with their girlfriends and have household incomes between $200K – $250K when factoring in their salaries and their spouses/girlfriends’ salaries.
We got to talking about how expensive it is to live in modern coastal, urban areas today, which effectively meant Blue States, although we didn’t use those that term. I was shocked to learn how little my co-workers were saving on a monthly basis. Most of them were putting away $3K – $5K annual in their 401ks. And these are professionals in their 30s making six figures with household incomes of over $200K!
I assume that this is pretty closely related to what is going on in California. Although immigration is by no means the only cause of this, it plays a large role in driving up land values. I think globalism is probably a better catch-all phrase as it encompasses a wider array of factors driving middle class unrest (mass immigration, outsourcing/offshoring (which is now hitting the upper middle class), rising taxes, and global capital flows driving up real estate values). Perhaps once a large part of the millennial generation starts to settle down and start families, they will increasingly realize how things are drastically different from when their parents did the same.
Here in Los Angeles County and Orange County, California, substantial and growing numbers of super-rich Chinese (and to a lesser extent Indian and Arab) immigrants are snapping up houses and condos both downtown and far into the suburbs, at crazy prices that we can't keep up with.
We should welcome and encourage foreign investment, including foreigners buying investment properties. But the practice of letting large numbers of Third Worlders settle here as permanent residents and then citizens must stop, even if they are wealthy -- for the sake of our ability to afford decent homes, as well as for the preservation / restoration of our common culture, language, way of life, and values.
I agree. Much of the disdain for Trump is simply an aesthetic response. A very unhealthy aesthetic response conditioned by a very unhealthy propaganda system.
At least we can have a bittersweet laugh when the tasteful white upper middle class finally realizes that their right-mindedness and stylishness are weak defenses against dispossession by a third-world majority who love them much less than they love their own.
Trump’s base is angry, socially inept, insecure whites who need to believe they are the master race and that their perceived failure is the fault of a mass conspiracy by Jews/blacks/feminists/Mexicans to “steal” their privilege. Sad, pathetic and extremely dangerous. This well armed cohort of radical, America hating extremists is the greatest threat the nation has ever faced. The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.
You guys are just racist scumbags and sad, pathetic internet trolls. Be careful. People of Color and allies will remember your transgressions. You will reap what you sow.
It is really past time for white people to get over themselves. ( yes, i am white). I am sick to death of hearing the pissing and moaning coming from people who have had a tight grip on this country since it’s inception and now that we have brown skinned people in majority numbers they decide the world is coming to an end. Get over it.
The “alt-right” movement will fail because of its obsession with race and nationality, which in a world that is constantly changing (if you don’t believe me, read a history book) where groups and nations come and go is simply low information, low IQ, low self-confident, weak and ignorant viewpoint. The alt-right is comprised of weak lonely white men.
"steal” their privilege
Like your privilege? Yeah I can just see you giving up yours to these colored people you claim to love so much. Put your money & privilege where your mealy white mouth is.
The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.
What was that? Do tell. On second thought, don’t bother I’ll just await the next Nate Parker or Tarantino film.
Be careful. People of Color and allies will remember your transgressions
They sure will Tiny, and don't be surprised when you end up counted as one of the transgressors, so keep stoking & encouraging their anger and resentment, you don’t have anything to worry about do you, whitey?
It is really past time for white people to get over themselves. (yes, i am white).
Including you?
I am sick to death of hearing the pissing and moaning…
Then stop coming here and reading the articles that inflame your feathers so. Just imagine how sickened we are of hearing from you Cuck…why, it’s 59 times the pain!
…sad, pathetic internet trolls
Says the ‘man’ who lives alone with two cats.
We realize that groups and nations come and go, but think about this, we've also kept populations of white people alive in North and west Europe for at least recorded history.
And yes we reap what we sow, of course, and we share what we reap with everyone.
There’s a shocking amount of people in this country, even here in California, who believe the state is just the same as it was in 1980 and if only the GOP would stop being big ol’ meanies they’d win Reagan style victories again. They really don’t want to accept the state’s demographic change because it augers badly for them nationwide.
Terrorism is an insignificant phenomenon in the west and nobody should be voting based on it. If you want ethnic homogeneity, say ethnic homogeneity. Terrorism is a distraction.
What normal people think:
http://verysmartbrothas.com/america-didnt-deserve-michelle-obama/
They love the Obamas. They hate Trump
Why do you care what the group thinks? What the group thinks about "obama" and "trump" is irrelevant. We care about objectivity of ideologies. You are female, you are totalitarian. You are a huge pussy.
Most of the men here are skeptics. We don't particularly hate Obama or love Trump. Obama is... whatever, he's an affirmative action hire. I oppose his ideology, but I can't hate the guy for standing there and reading the script and participating in the machine.
I absolutely love trumps ideology, and I'll end my praises there.
This California you keep mentioning must be some place. Not.
Better predictors of white voting than income are Dem factors: higher education, public or academia employment, disability, sexual orientation, population density and GOP factors: church attendance, employment in energy, resource extraction, and FIRE, marital status.
Contrary to stereotype, California whites are not particularly liberal or democratic. Non-hispanic whites are about 38% of the population. Romney’s share of the 2-party vote in California was 38.1%. That over-simplifies things since actual California voters are more like 60-65% non-hispanic whites depending on the election. But it is hard to believe that the GOP does not generally receive a large majority of the white vote in the state.
Clinton beat Bush for a reason. Bush was a elitist of the worst sort, dull, bland and had no interest in America or it's people.
He had nothing that made white people want to vote for him. Economically he was a giant middle-finger to the lower class whites. Clinton played the populist and most lower class whites figured despite being a lecher and pig he'd look out for the economic interests of whites as Democrats were traditionally to do.
They didn't figure Clinton would turn on them once in office and shatter the old alliances.Replies: @Lot
Contrary to stereotype, California whites are not particularly liberal or democratic. Non-hispanic whites are about 38% of the population. Romney's share of the 2-party vote in California was 38.1%. That over-simplifies things since actual California voters are more like 60-65% non-hispanic whites depending on the election. But it is hard to believe that the GOP does not generally receive a large majority of the white vote in the state.Replies: @rod1963, @Jefferson, @ATBOTL
CA went Democratic because the GOP let them. They ran unappealing and elitist candidates of the worst sort that guaranteed low voter turn out. Really Steve, a party that runs Fiorina and Whitman or Unz. That’s a party disconnected from reality.
Clinton beat Bush for a reason. Bush was a elitist of the worst sort, dull, bland and had no interest in America or it’s people.
He had nothing that made white people want to vote for him. Economically he was a giant middle-finger to the lower class whites. Clinton played the populist and most lower class whites figured despite being a lecher and pig he’d look out for the economic interests of whites as Democrats were traditionally to do.
They didn’t figure Clinton would turn on them once in office and shatter the old alliances.
Our individual Republican congressmen, outside of a few awful ones in the central valley, are mostly very solid on national questions. There is Issa of course, plus Hunter was the first House member to endorse Trump.
The other thing I don’t about Prop 187 dooming the GOP was that it passed. Why would a proposition supported by a majority of voters be a bad thing for the party that supported it? What am I missing (other than the war of not noticing ethnic replacement)?
Off-topic, Mr. Seiler, but this should be of interest to you: a black woman suspecting she had trouble finding a AirBNB setup because of racism demands the company force its users to accept all requests.
Now the upper middle class types are leaving CA too. I live twenty minutes from the Canadian border and one of my neighbors commutes to his job as a fire chief in Southern California. Real estate is rising fast up here because retiring white Californians are snapping up exurban lots around the little whitopias of Puget Sound.
I do remember the influx of Californians in the 90s, too. Vast numbers were coming in every year. Seemed the LA riots/immigration/gang warfare had something to do with it, and I think a lot of those Californians were indeed moderate Republican middle class types.
Now I’m afraid the latests batch of Californians are going to make Washington a political mirror image of the state they left behind, pushing us ordinary Washingtonians into desperate straits with overregulation, mass influxes of immigrants and militant leftist authoritarianism. So far that’s pretty much restricted to the Seattle area, but I’m genuinely worried that they will take the entire state and ruin it like they did their own.
I would love to see some research on how migration is affecting political balance. I know that Vermont went hard left thanks to people from Northeast cities escaping from their own politics, but I have at least an impression that the Northwest is attracting conservative refugees. We need someone to dredge up some hard data.Replies: @Connecticut Famer, @Alden
They leave to be part of their "new" home.
Damn Californians always driving up peoples property values.
To clarify, I don’t think you are wrong so much as treating almost equally the real reason Dems are winning CA: rapid growth of non-white population, with what is at best a minor reasons: out-migration of more conservative whites.
The perception of white absolute population decline is bigger than the reality. People in neighboring states see a lot of white Californians move in, and the share of whites in CA keeps going down. But there is still a steady stream of white in-migration to California that almost fully off-sets the out-migration.
But 55% of the vote in the sample was white. Latinos (22%) and Asians (11%) went for Obama by 72%-27% and 29%-21%. It goes without saying, blacks voters were overwhelmingly for Obama (96%).
Blacks, however, are comparatively few in the vote of California (8% in the exit polls).
One of the attacks on the Republicans is that they are a 'white' party - which in a Bayesian sense, is pretty close to axiomatically true. (That is to say, the probability of being white, given that you voted Republican, is about 80%).
It's no shock why the Democratic party is such a big advocate for "electing a new people."
What surprises me (mildly) is that the percentage of Asians voting for Obama in the exit polls (79%) is higher than Latinos (72%).
Here is a constituency that has, in my opinion, almost nothing in alignment with the current California Democrats. Law and order, affirmative action, confiscatory taxes, over-regulation of small businesses.
On which of these issues does it make *any* sense for Asians to align with the Democrats? And yet, they do. I know that Steve likes to talk about anti-white noisemaking as the K-K-Krazy glue of the Democrats (and there is likely some truth to that), but at some point, Asian Americans are going to wake up to the fact that it's just false to say that, for example, Silicon Valley is "overwhelmingly white," and that they are going to become one of the foci of the "two minutes hate." We have already seen it to a degree last year when the Dems looked to roll back the ban on affirmative action...
In the short term, the Democrats have a reliable coalition that will simply roll over any opposition in this state. In the long run, I suspect that it will become impossible to hold such a disparate group together.Replies: @AP, @Kyle, @snorlax, @Das
I'm about Sailer's age. Have lived in CA most of my life.
In 1970, arguable California's apogee, the state had just under 20 million people. Roughly 3/4, or 15 million, were white.
FF to the present. Forty-five years later, the state has almost doubled, to 39 million. Roughly 3/8, or 15 million people, were white.
In other words, we have not added a single white resident in nearly half a century.
Or, looked at another way: Among the state's white population, we exhibit the same demographic trends as Western New York and Western Pennsylvania.
Demographically that's an 8.0 seismic event. And the implications: Yuge.Replies: @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia, @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
As a white in-migrant to Cali, I can attest to the abiding appeal of California. It's still perceived as an ideal destination city for people coming from the Midwest and a job-hub for college grads.
My two recently departed department heads were both white and relatively recent transplants from North Dakota and Oklahoma. The North Dakota guy wouldn't stop raving about the palm trees and the weather (even on 100+ degree summer days). The 2010-2012 real estate decline made housing semi-affordable for them as well. Universities draw in a lot of young white people too, and they end up sticking around, postponing family formation to stay connected to the SoCal job market (which is relatively friendly to random liberal arts majors looking for low-stress white collar work).
One aspect of California that might impact the state is how aggressively and uniformly leftist education is here.Maybe it's that way all over, but it's certainly difficult to get an education in Cali without getting a full-court press to accept the Dem platform.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Pop of CA: 38.1 MM
White Pop of CA: 23.7 MM
Non-hispanic white pop of CA: 14.9MM
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of CA:
lived in CA last year: 14.4MM
lived in other US state last year: 278K
lived abroad last year: 85 K
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of US ex-CA:
lived in CA last year: 320K
So, that's a decline of something like 40K (320-280) per year. 400K per decade. Or 2.7% per decade. I was pretty surprised at the number of non-hispanic white in-migrants.
Another way to look at the same question is to just look at the US-native-born, non-hispanic, white population of CA (again using IPUMS data):
1990: 15.7MM
2000: 14.4MM
2005: 13.8MM
2010: 13.5MM
2014: 13.3MM
Of course, this second way of looking at it includes deaths as out-migration and births as in-migration.
Anyway, CA seems to be losing four or five hundred thousand US born, non-hispanic whites per decade. It's not like a refugee flow, but it is pretty fast change as demographic change goes.Replies: @stillCARealist, @Lot
There’s more to the narly death of California.
We trashed a Wonderland, nobody can fully understand unless you’re from here.
POS implants infected our entire body. Now we’re dying.
From a commenter on Gawker’s “Death Page”:
Beach fires, guitars, White Russians. Yeah, it was a thing that got a hard start in the surfing world in Baja Mex during the early 60s.
A handle (1.75L) of Oso Negro vodka cost about 45 cents in Tijuana, a bottle of Kahlua about 50 cents.
So. Tequila just got you too fucked up way too fast and the hangovers were brutal. Same with shitty wine. But you could start the mornings with a White Russian, and the world was good.
State supported heavy hitting major university cost a buck a unit, and used books were basically free. The profs all famous anti-war mojos that were virtually never there… and getting a TA gig was about as cool a thing as there ever was. Oyster = your world.
Bowling was 10 cents a line. Surfing, was free. Life was good. People were good.
Then, there came all of those scuzzy wannabe people from NYC, Chicago, and Detroit, etc… fucked it up for everybody. It’ll never be the same.
You misspelled "Mexico" there Spicoli
I do remember the influx of Californians in the 90s, too. Vast numbers were coming in every year. Seemed the LA riots/immigration/gang warfare had something to do with it, and I think a lot of those Californians were indeed moderate Republican middle class types.
Now I'm afraid the latests batch of Californians are going to make Washington a political mirror image of the state they left behind, pushing us ordinary Washingtonians into desperate straits with overregulation, mass influxes of immigrants and militant leftist authoritarianism. So far that's pretty much restricted to the Seattle area, but I'm genuinely worried that they will take the entire state and ruin it like they did their own.Replies: @Alfa158, @Jay Fink, @The Alarmist, @boogerbently
I know friends who have migrated into that area from SoCal. This is purely anecdotal, but they are all staunch Trump conservatives. They share the attitude that they don’t want to stay in California and pay part of their retirement income in taxes to people who hate them. One couple I know got their carry licenses within weeks of changing residence.
I would love to see some research on how migration is affecting political balance. I know that Vermont went hard left thanks to people from Northeast cities escaping from their own politics, but I have at least an impression that the Northwest is attracting conservative refugees. We need someone to dredge up some hard data.
Twin Falls Idaho is home to a Chobani I yogurt factory. Chobani employs nothing but Somalian Muslim blacks and Muslim Syrians. Google Twin Falls rape 5 year old girl by 3 Somali boys for information on how the Local government including the lesbian state attorney general has supported the rapists and ignored the girl.
She's lucky she's 5 instead of 15. We're she 15 the local prosecutor would refuse to charge the rapists on the grounds it must have been consensual.
The Lutherans have dumped Somaliabs all over The Dakotas.
But the main attraction is farmers and food processing plants that import Hispanic Indians and somalians.Replies: @Henry Bowman, @RadicalCenter
Another answer: California mega-cities, being largely sprawl, have the most atomized, visually focused, status-seeking whites in the country. And I’ve lived in a few of the east coast runners up. In the south, your job, car, hair and body are key status markers, while the north has politics, job, clothes, and (still) cars, in roughly that order. Sprawl is antithetical to community cohesion – status and identity must be grasped in a two-second lookover. Political views are correspondingly more showy. Never seen so many bumper stickers and meaningless identity groups as in CA (“goth,” “punk,” “hippy” ad nauseum). Add in 50 years of mass immigration, where most whites are related to, friends with, or otherwise surrounded by diversity, and you have a tough nut to crack as far as Trump’s message.
Maybe all is lost:
http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Rodeo-clown-fired-for-comments-about-gender-identity-at-Calhoun-Co-fair-390965081.html
So the college educated freak set decided to destroy a man's career by firing him on the spot and probably black balling him behind the scene.
It takes a special class of humorless, over educated thugs and fools to push this insanity - namely upper class whites. This class also provides the managerial and legal bodies that help enforce this insanity.
Fred Reed I think nails it when he thinks we're headed for a French Revolution style blow up and I think the white urban upper middle-class will be the primary targets of peoples rage since they are at the forefront of this Orwellian insanity and often serve as it's enforcers since they provide government workers, managers and lawyers for the system.Replies: @Ed
Steve – you need to do weekly Q&As. Next best thing to you having a talk radio show but you get to screen for best questions.
I’m not asking I’m telling.
The perception of white absolute population decline is bigger than the reality. People in neighboring states see a lot of white Californians move in, and the share of whites in CA keeps going down. But there is still a steady stream of white in-migration to California that almost fully off-sets the out-migration.Replies: @yowza, @DWB, @fred c dobbs, @The Millennial Falcon, @Bill
I believe that’s a lot of bullshit. Citations please?
Yup, the state is mostly Argentina with genteel white/Asian mix plus representatives from the Hobbesian/mountain bandit nations, going over the past 10-15 years. You have weird redoubts of hippie-logger societies in the far NW coastal counties (past Sonoma)– these are not very populous and endeavor to keep it that way. Somehow non-Californians have an image of the central valley frozen in “Grapes of Wrath” times, but between Modesto and Bakersfield is a string of ghost towns morphing into favelas depending whether you go further north/south on the Rte 99 spectrum
The perception of white absolute population decline is bigger than the reality. People in neighboring states see a lot of white Californians move in, and the share of whites in CA keeps going down. But there is still a steady stream of white in-migration to California that almost fully off-sets the out-migration.Replies: @yowza, @DWB, @fred c dobbs, @The Millennial Falcon, @Bill
Lot – you’re largely right. In 2012, Romney still won about 53% of the white vote in California according to exit polls (http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/CA/president/), which is a bit worse than he did in the nation as a whole (59%).
But 55% of the vote in the sample was white. Latinos (22%) and Asians (11%) went for Obama by 72%-27% and 29%-21%. It goes without saying, blacks voters were overwhelmingly for Obama (96%).
Blacks, however, are comparatively few in the vote of California (8% in the exit polls).
One of the attacks on the Republicans is that they are a ‘white’ party – which in a Bayesian sense, is pretty close to axiomatically true. (That is to say, the probability of being white, given that you voted Republican, is about 80%).
It’s no shock why the Democratic party is such a big advocate for “electing a new people.”
What surprises me (mildly) is that the percentage of Asians voting for Obama in the exit polls (79%) is higher than Latinos (72%).
Here is a constituency that has, in my opinion, almost nothing in alignment with the current California Democrats. Law and order, affirmative action, confiscatory taxes, over-regulation of small businesses.
On which of these issues does it make *any* sense for Asians to align with the Democrats? And yet, they do. I know that Steve likes to talk about anti-white noisemaking as the K-K-Krazy glue of the Democrats (and there is likely some truth to that), but at some point, Asian Americans are going to wake up to the fact that it’s just false to say that, for example, Silicon Valley is “overwhelmingly white,” and that they are going to become one of the foci of the “two minutes hate.” We have already seen it to a degree last year when the Dems looked to roll back the ban on affirmative action…
In the short term, the Democrats have a reliable coalition that will simply roll over any opposition in this state. In the long run, I suspect that it will become impossible to hold such a disparate group together.
They're totalitarian.
Asians have relatively high income (pro-Republican), but also high education (pro-Dem), tend to live in big cities (pro-Dem), and are non-Christian (extremely pro-Dem).
No one would be shocked that a non-Christian college-educated white person living in the Bay Area is a Democrat.Replies: @Anonymous
The perception of white absolute population decline is bigger than the reality. People in neighboring states see a lot of white Californians move in, and the share of whites in CA keeps going down. But there is still a steady stream of white in-migration to California that almost fully off-sets the out-migration.Replies: @yowza, @DWB, @fred c dobbs, @The Millennial Falcon, @Bill
Are you high? Do you have trouble with numbers?
I’m about Sailer’s age. Have lived in CA most of my life.
In 1970, arguable California’s apogee, the state had just under 20 million people. Roughly 3/4, or 15 million, were white.
FF to the present. Forty-five years later, the state has almost doubled, to 39 million. Roughly 3/8, or 15 million people, were white.
In other words, we have not added a single white resident in nearly half a century.
Or, looked at another way: Among the state’s white population, we exhibit the same demographic trends as Western New York and Western Pennsylvania.
Demographically that’s an 8.0 seismic event. And the implications: Yuge.
I doubt Lot would disagree that the demographic change is seismic; he was simply pointing out that the change consists of a growth of the non-white population.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Antonymous, @DWB
The perception of white absolute population decline is bigger than the reality. People in neighboring states see a lot of white Californians move in, and the share of whites in CA keeps going down. But there is still a steady stream of white in-migration to California that almost fully off-sets the out-migration.Replies: @yowza, @DWB, @fred c dobbs, @The Millennial Falcon, @Bill
Curious to hear your take on Texas and their demographics.
As a white in-migrant to Cali, I can attest to the abiding appeal of California. It’s still perceived as an ideal destination city for people coming from the Midwest and a job-hub for college grads.
My two recently departed department heads were both white and relatively recent transplants from North Dakota and Oklahoma. The North Dakota guy wouldn’t stop raving about the palm trees and the weather (even on 100+ degree summer days). The 2010-2012 real estate decline made housing semi-affordable for them as well. Universities draw in a lot of young white people too, and they end up sticking around, postponing family formation to stay connected to the SoCal job market (which is relatively friendly to random liberal arts majors looking for low-stress white collar work).
One aspect of California that might impact the state is how aggressively and uniformly leftist education is here.Maybe it’s that way all over, but it’s certainly difficult to get an education in Cali without getting a full-court press to accept the Dem platform.
I live in California The demographics are solidly democrat California employers have refused to hire Whites for every position from Doctor of medicine to dishwasher for 40 years. So obviously the state is and will be for the next few hundred years solid democrat And California has 55 electoral votes
All those White Stanford engineering students I dated 1960 to 1964 were solidly republican from solidly republican families. They kept Santa Clara and San Mateo counties republican for a few years.
But after they built the tech industry known as Silicon Valley they were laid off and never called back.
Most became high school math teachers, the default job for STEM grads. Virtually every private sector employer in Calufornia is totally committed to the elimination of Whites from its work force.
Government and education are the biggest employers and they are even more committed to eliminating Whites.
California, New York and Illinois have 105 electoral votes. California will probably be allocated more and more congress critters after the next census.
As soon as Florida and Texas turn majority non White, there will be a solid bloc of more that 200 solidly democrat electoral college votes.
http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Rodeo-clown-fired-for-comments-about-gender-identity-at-Calhoun-Co-fair-390965081.htmlReplies: @antipater_1, @rod1963
Remember 2 or 3 years ago there was a rodeo clown in some dusty Missouri county fair who wore an Obama mask during the show. The Soviet media just exploded with rage and got him fired! Pathetic.
I would love to see some research on how migration is affecting political balance. I know that Vermont went hard left thanks to people from Northeast cities escaping from their own politics, but I have at least an impression that the Northwest is attracting conservative refugees. We need someone to dredge up some hard data.Replies: @Connecticut Famer, @Alden
Oh, boy, did Vermont EVER go hard left!!! Which, of course, proves that they never really “escaped” the politics of the cities. They just brought the same politics with them. I was in Manchester last year after about a ten year absence. What was once prime farmland and woods has been ploughed over in favor of $500K condos and store outlets. Outlets everywhere! And there’s a synagogue there now(!).
I would love to see some research on how migration is affecting political balance. I know that Vermont went hard left thanks to people from Northeast cities escaping from their own politics, but I have at least an impression that the Northwest is attracting conservative refugees. We need someone to dredge up some hard data.Replies: @Connecticut Famer, @Alden
The Northwest is an AGRICULTURAL area. That means Hispanic indian farm workers. I have relatives in Seattle. They tell me that entire towns in rural western Washington have turned Hispanic Indian farm worker in the last few decades. Maybe they can’t vote but their multitudes of anchor babies will.
Twin Falls Idaho is home to a Chobani I yogurt factory. Chobani employs nothing but Somalian Muslim blacks and Muslim Syrians. Google Twin Falls rape 5 year old girl by 3 Somali boys for information on how the Local government including the lesbian state attorney general has supported the rapists and ignored the girl.
She’s lucky she’s 5 instead of 15. We’re she 15 the local prosecutor would refuse to charge the rapists on the grounds it must have been consensual.
The Lutherans have dumped Somaliabs all over The Dakotas.
But the main attraction is farmers and food processing plants that import Hispanic Indians and somalians.
1. African-Americans
2. White kids who are lazy and/or simply not taught or expected to work rather than surfing the Net endlessly and "partying" through their teens and twenties (including teenagers and college students in the summers);
for the entire year, we have plenty of lazy, chronically unemployed or underemployed young white people who are studying largely useless subjects in "college" or languishing in low-paying retail / fast-food / customer-service jobs and whining about how the rest of us should pay off the loans they foolishly took out to attend schools they couldn't afford.
We don't "need" Third Worlders to do these jobs. Deport the Muslims and Mexicans, change the economic incentives and cultural expectations and have native-born Americans do them, both white and black.
When the other side gets on top, they can be quite vindictive:
http://www.mercatornet.com/features/view/103-million-lawsuit-against-christian-activist-threatens-to-chill-free-spee/18563
Anti-zombism rears its head!
An interesting piece of self-description, sir. I am sure you and Madame Sailer are indeed ” tasteful upper middle class ” persons. You don’t need to mention your trips to Los Angeles Art Galleries and Opera ( though you do ). We know that you know your leitmotiv from your gouache.
It does strike me how things have changed from my boyhood ( North British ). Americans didn’t seem to use the term working class. They seemed to prefer the term working man. The middle class seemed pretty homogeneous. You didn’t have upper class Americans. They were just called wealthy. There was even the odd billionaire, called Hughes or Rockefeller.
Now Americans are using the full range of British Victorian Class Distinctions. The Victorian era was a period of unprecedented growth, never seen before or since. Whole new classes of person appeared or were massively expanded in numbers. The difference between then and now was that real wages massively increased during the Victorian period for all classes. The Industrial Revolution needed more educated, more skilled, more diligent workers overall.
I don’t want to labour the point. But shouldn’t tasteful really mean ” cultured.” There are upper middle class people completely devoid of taste and culture – Tony and Cherie Blair, the Clintons etc.
Being tasteful and cultured, I’m sure you and Mme Sailer, when the time comes to leave California for safer pastures, will ensure that the lights are safely and securely turned off !
Nevertheless, while you may not have heard this term from afar, "blue collar" was and is a common euphemism for working class, just as "white collar" refers to middle-class people. "Old money" is a euphemism for upper class. "New money" or "nouveau riche" for ... well, you get the idea. Those expressions were used all the time, so popular discourse was not quite so free of class references as it might have seemed.
We have always had the full panoply of what you call British Victorian class distinctions, minus the aristocracy. We certainly did have upper-class people and knew them as such. Most people who thought about social class, either because it was their job to do so or because they were naturally so inclined, recognized not only the fact of social class distinctions but also the markers of same. They just didn't talk about it publicly, outside of scholarly journals or among like-minded friends, for fear of being labeled snobbish.
However, the decline of manufacturing, stagnation of social mobility and loss of hope for many Americans has led to an awakening of class awareness, if not solidarity, among larger groups of the population. Whether this will turn out to be a good thing or not remains to be seen.
Contrary to stereotype, California whites are not particularly liberal or democratic. Non-hispanic whites are about 38% of the population. Romney's share of the 2-party vote in California was 38.1%. That over-simplifies things since actual California voters are more like 60-65% non-hispanic whites depending on the election. But it is hard to believe that the GOP does not generally receive a large majority of the white vote in the state.Replies: @rod1963, @Jefferson, @ATBOTL
“Contrary to stereotype, California whites are not particularly liberal or democratic.”
Wrong, I bet Crooked Hildabeast wins the majority of the White California vote. Most White Californians believe it’s finally time for America to elect a woman president.
I see a lot of White people here in California with pro-Crooked Hildabeast bumper stickers in their cars.
Donald Trump will get less of a share of the White California vote than Mitt Romney.
That "everyone else" in the California electorate includes, in large part, the descendants of people who either came illegally or came legally because we were foolish enough to let them in.Replies: @Jefferson
The Asians are seething about prejudice regarding college admissions. Seems to me they don’t particularly like blacks either. But much more that that, they see nothing wrong with racism. After all, Asians are racially superior. So, its justice. A fact.
Everyone becomes anti development as soon as they own their house.
I do remember the influx of Californians in the 90s, too. Vast numbers were coming in every year. Seemed the LA riots/immigration/gang warfare had something to do with it, and I think a lot of those Californians were indeed moderate Republican middle class types.
Now I'm afraid the latests batch of Californians are going to make Washington a political mirror image of the state they left behind, pushing us ordinary Washingtonians into desperate straits with overregulation, mass influxes of immigrants and militant leftist authoritarianism. So far that's pretty much restricted to the Seattle area, but I'm genuinely worried that they will take the entire state and ruin it like they did their own.Replies: @Alfa158, @Jay Fink, @The Alarmist, @boogerbently
Where I am in Yakima WA is very unusual in that it is 50% Mexican yet remains politically conservative. Yakima County will almost certainly vote for Trump. What we have here is a combination of politically apathetic Hispanics with very low voter turnout and lower middle class, non-elitist whites who overwhelmingly vote Republican
Just a few days ago a Mexican went on the loose with a gun in my neighborhood, opening fire in a church of all places. There were cops with shotguns and k-9 units all over the place so I didn't get to sleep on time and had a rough day at work. Do media people ever mention these kinds of things we Americans have to deal with as a result of immigration? I am so angry at these people.
It's as though they're at war with us. Actually, they really are, and we're just sitting ducks not allowed to fight back.
http://www.wilx.com/content/news/Rodeo-clown-fired-for-comments-about-gender-identity-at-Calhoun-Co-fair-390965081.htmlReplies: @antipater_1, @rod1963
No it’s a symptom of white urban values being imposed on the rest of society. You really think Blacks, Hispanics and lower class whites buy into that s**t? Hell no. They routinely beat and kill those sorts of freaks.
So the college educated freak set decided to destroy a man’s career by firing him on the spot and probably black balling him behind the scene.
It takes a special class of humorless, over educated thugs and fools to push this insanity – namely upper class whites. This class also provides the managerial and legal bodies that help enforce this insanity.
Fred Reed I think nails it when he thinks we’re headed for a French Revolution style blow up and I think the white urban upper middle-class will be the primary targets of peoples rage since they are at the forefront of this Orwellian insanity and often serve as it’s enforcers since they provide government workers, managers and lawyers for the system.
You are absolutely correct it's white urban, educated types that are driving this stuff. The women are at the forefront & the men bring up the rear or act like they're above it all. Libertarians are good at that one with their, "who are you to judge?" drivel.
Immigration is a factor, but I think the white population in California has always been quite affluent. The Dustbowl Okies stood out for a reason. People in California weren’t used to seeing poor, uneducated whites.
Bill Clinton’s “New Democrat” policies were tailor-made to make Democrats competitive in affluent suburban areas that Republicans traditionally dominated.
The Philadelphia suburbs are the prime example of this. By appealing to the soccer mom vote, Clinton was able to flip a bunch of solidly Republican counties over to the Democrats, and they haven’t gone back since.
Pennsylvania has stayed competitive because it has a bunch of declining industrial towns that are trending Republican. California has no equivalent to that, so it just stayed solidly Democratic.
Also, the more neoliberal centre left parties become in terms of economic policy, the more liberal they become in terms of immigration policy. I guess this is because once they have some big business and upper middle class support they can ignore the unions who aren't so keen on importing cheap labour.
The most spectacular example of this happened under Tony Blair in the UK, where Blair booted out the old school economic leftists and suddenly opened the floodgates to cheap foreign labour.Replies: @Anonymous
Pro-open borders Gary Johnson is on The Five talking about how Mexicans come to America to help feed their families. Judging by the fact that Mexico has a higher obesity rate than The U.S, I don’t think anybody in Mexico is starving.
There is a reason why those “Feed The Children” commercials are never shot in Mexico. They can’t find enough Mexican children who are skeleton level scrawny with flies all over their faces.
It's the same reason why Mexicans are much less disastrous immigrants in the US than Merkel's Millions in Europe.
Compared to Western Europe, the US, Canada, and Japan, Mexicans look like failures, but compared to everywhere else they're doing fine.Replies: @Jefferson
The same thing is happening in New York. The actual numbers from the census indicte that the state loses about 100,000 people a year to other states. Most of these are white people who have bailed out of Upstate cities like Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester, and Binghamton for North Carolina, Tennessee, and Florida. But the population remains relatively constant because about the same number of immigrants come into the state mostly into New York City. A large number are Third Worlders, such as Pakistanis, Dominicans, and Mexicans.
New York used to have a fairly robust Republican Party (although certainly far more liberal than the national party) but now it’s almost impossible for even a liberal Republican to get elected to statewide office, and even worse for Republicans in urban governments. The last liberal Republican governor left office in 2006 and there’s no heir apparent on the horizon. Cuomo will easily win a third term in 2018 if he wants it. New York’s mayor, Bill deBlasio, is practically a communist. He doesn’t just pander to minorities, he’s a wanna-be — he married a black lesbian and had mixed-race children with her.
Like California, the relatively few white conservatives left are saddled with insufferably high taxes, over-regulation, paying for obscene pensions of unionized state employees, and intolerable gun control. Liberal whites, of course, think that none of this has gone nearly far enough.
Things will only get worse if President Hillary opens the immigration floodgates.
I still propose 187 to deal with the immigrants.
Come on Steve this is funny.
There are at least three things at play here. You correctly note the first, that the white electorate is overwhelmingly college-educated and middle class. Also part of that is that the part of the economy most hammered by “free trade” was heavy manufacturing, never a large employer here relative to other states.
Second, the Republican party has veered way to the right on cultural issues in recent decades, more so all the time. There aren’t any Bible-thumpers left in most parts of California, and the Christianist grievances that fuel Republican rage in most places aren’t here. The Republican Party is by and for Southerners now. The socially tolerant, fiscally conservative wing was killed off by the segregationists a long time ago. The biggest grievance still remaining are our gun control laws, but if you’re mad about that there’s no reason not to move to Arizona, where they hand out machine guns to any and every rage-addicted mentally incompetent person.
Third, there has been a sorting over the decades where any Californians wary of Hispanic immigration just tend to move. Two generations ago my whole family was in SoCal; now the liberal and leftist third still remain. The rest are in WA, OR, TX, CO, UT, NV, or AZ. Every time they leave they get much more conservative in a hurry.
Not enough White Conservatives have moved to Washington, Colorado, and Oregon to turn those states red in presidential elections.
What about Beverly Hills? Rodeo Drive? Sunset Strip?
LA white middle class is mainly Disney-fied, all in for pop culture and tattoos. It’s more than ok with gauche but Manhattan Beach-Venice style gauche — not Fifth Avenue-Atlantic City-Palm Beach style gauche. Meanwhile, exquisitely tasteful San Francisco-Berkeley whites achieve the perfect Alice Watersy vibe and Zen-like state of mind for the rest of us to learn from. That’s not gauche, just precious and artificial.
Here is California census data by race from 1980.
http://censusscope.org/2010Census/states.php?state=CA&name=California
The absolute number of White people in California has declined markedly between 1990 and 2010, by just over 2 million. At the same time, the Hispanic population has increased by 6.5 million (nearly doubling). The Asian population also nearly doubled over that time period, jumping from 2.7 million to 4.7 million; but the number of Asian children only grew by a paltry 25%, increasing from 760,000 to 960,000, indicating that Asians are not very fertile.
Here is the kicker.The number of Hispanic children ballooned between 1990 and 2000, jumping from 2.7 million to 4 million. However, between 2000 and 2010 the increase was only another 700,000. This would indicate that Hispanics are quickly norming to America's sub-replacement 1.9 TFR. Contrary to popular opinion, Hispanics are not out-breeding native born Whites. Only the adult population continues to increase.
Additionally, the rate of total population increase for California is declining rather drastically. Between 1980 and 1990 California's population grew by over 6 million. Between 2000 and 2010 it grew by under 3.5 million. If all else remained the same, the latter decade's growth could be almost entirely accounted for by the increase in the Hispanic population alone, but only about a quarter of it by Hispanic children.
Conclusion. There is a birth-dearth occurring all over the world. Immigration consists predominantly of moving adult populations around, while each successive generation gets smaller. Immigration is mainly a young person's thing, but traditional source countries will soon run out of potential young immigrants to send as they experience the twin scourges of depopulation and low TFR. Increasing immigration to places like Europe and the USA cannot now but have the effect of denuding entire regions of people (i.e. Syria).
Whatever else today's immigration drama may be, it is also the strip-mining of the world's human population without regard to sustainability. The insatiable appetite of the Empire has turned catabolic. Immigration is morphologically related to monetary Keynesianism and the export-land model of petroleum exporting countries, which are likewise attempts to artificially prop up production in a world where organic growth is no longer possible. It is the denial stage of the aborning long demographic winter.Replies: @Yo Trump
And the upper middle class, in California and elsewhere, has been voting less and less Republican for 25 years or more.
The closest proxy for upper-middle class status is postgraduate education. The growth in the Dem portion of that population is striking.
It’s less impressive for the college-only group, although there is a trend to the Dems there, too.
If you've been around long enough to observe the evolution of our education system changing into a liberal indoctrination system, it was to be expected.
Your view of CA is from the perspective of mostly Southern CA which had a different white demographic history than the Bay Area (although I don’t doubt what you note for the state at large is likely true)
When did white working class people in CA start voting GOP? At least in the Bay Area among those I grew up with, all are mildly socially conservative Catholic white Democrats and likely and pro-union
It would be interesting if there hadn’t been as much displacement in CA would these white working class people be Trump supporters now? I can say at least among the oldsters like my father and uncles and their buddies not much. Among the younger generations I would say maybe as some I know are still Democrats, some apathetic and others moved to Sacramento
The perception of white absolute population decline is bigger than the reality. People in neighboring states see a lot of white Californians move in, and the share of whites in CA keeps going down. But there is still a steady stream of white in-migration to California that almost fully off-sets the out-migration.Replies: @yowza, @DWB, @fred c dobbs, @The Millennial Falcon, @Bill
I couldn’t find a Census publication directly on point—there are old ones arising from the 2000 Census, but I didn’t see new ones. So, I downloaded 5 yr ACS data from IPUMS.org to look at this. ACS asks about residence one year ago, so you can calculate one year migration rates from it.
Pop of CA: 38.1 MM
White Pop of CA: 23.7 MM
Non-hispanic white pop of CA: 14.9MM
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of CA:
lived in CA last year: 14.4MM
lived in other US state last year: 278K
lived abroad last year: 85 K
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of US ex-CA:
lived in CA last year: 320K
So, that’s a decline of something like 40K (320-280) per year. 400K per decade. Or 2.7% per decade. I was pretty surprised at the number of non-hispanic white in-migrants.
Another way to look at the same question is to just look at the US-native-born, non-hispanic, white population of CA (again using IPUMS data):
1990: 15.7MM
2000: 14.4MM
2005: 13.8MM
2010: 13.5MM
2014: 13.3MM
Of course, this second way of looking at it includes deaths as out-migration and births as in-migration.
Anyway, CA seems to be losing four or five hundred thousand US born, non-hispanic whites per decade. It’s not like a refugee flow, but it is pretty fast change as demographic change goes.
I have also encountered more white immigrants here than anywhere else I've lived in the USA. I knew zero in the midwest growing up unless you count Canadians, whom midwesterners generally do not consider foreign. San Diego is full of Australians, South Africans, and random rich Europeans. Our liquor stores are mostly run by kinda-white middle eastern Christians. Sacramento is full of Russian christians, Russian Jews are all over LA and SF, Armenians and Western Europeans are all over LA.
There is an interesting interactive map, I think on NYTimes, that shows in and outflows by county and state. As I remember, CA is a large net importer of whites from the midwest and NE, and large net exporter to interior West.
I do remember the influx of Californians in the 90s, too. Vast numbers were coming in every year. Seemed the LA riots/immigration/gang warfare had something to do with it, and I think a lot of those Californians were indeed moderate Republican middle class types.
Now I'm afraid the latests batch of Californians are going to make Washington a political mirror image of the state they left behind, pushing us ordinary Washingtonians into desperate straits with overregulation, mass influxes of immigrants and militant leftist authoritarianism. So far that's pretty much restricted to the Seattle area, but I'm genuinely worried that they will take the entire state and ruin it like they did their own.Replies: @Alfa158, @Jay Fink, @The Alarmist, @boogerbently
Like a plague of locusts. You see the same thing in TX and FL, they move to escape the high taxes, high crime, and social nonsense of the places they left, like NY and CA, but then they turn around and recreate their “natural” environment.
http://censusscope.org/2010Census/states.php?state=CA&name=CaliforniaReplies: @Jefferson, @Intelligent Dasein
“Here is California census data by race from 1980.”
California was still predominantly White in 1980. There is a film called Foxes starring Jodie Foster & Scott Baio, which was shot in 1979 and released in theaters in 1980. It takes place in California and they go to a public high school that is overwhelmingly White.
If Hollywood tried to remake Foxes in 2016 with the same racial demographics, it wouldn’t look realistic unless the setting is a private school like in the film Clueless.
Wrong, LA was already pretty Democratic by 1990. The big blow had nothing to do with immigration since Kern county which has a lot more legal and illegal immigrants as a percent than Santa Clara and still is more Republican. It was the lost a lot of aerospace jobs. In fact, Orange County received the second most illegal immigrants next to LA and was pretty Republican until 2008 when McCain barely won it. The manufacturing based changed as the jobs moved to the south, sorry Steve this is the reality.
As the state becomes filled with the pathologies associated with mass immigration from the third world, the State needs to step in and alleviate the problems. And that means the Democrats, with all of their “solutions”. The GOP cannot win that battle because lower taxes, the GOP’s only solution, are simply not a cure for everything. Lower taxes do not solve highway gridlock. The GOP tried to sell lower taxes as the cure for everything and no one was buying and with good reason. On the other hand, pointing out that we will not have to solve problems if we don’t import them is appealing and logical. Maybe Trump can break the cycle.
Within California, Orange County is an example of how demographics is destiny. My uncle was a rookie Detroit cop during the 67 race riots, but bolted to Orange County shortly thereafter. He was heavily involved in the John Birch Society which is a shell of its former self in OC.
Just ~20 years ago Orange County was still one of the most conservative counties in the entire country. That was around the time Loretta Sanchez defeated Bob Dornan for his congressional seat. Orange County also sent illustrious John G. Schmitz to Congress. In 64 it was one of only 18 counties outside of the deep south to vote for Goldwater.
Maybe the mestizos from Oaxaca just need to read the Federalist Papers & they will be Reaganites in no time.
Two of Schmitz's children, sons John and Joseph, have held prominent posts in Republican presidential administrations.[citation needed] Son Joseph Schmitz has also worked for the international security firm Blackwater USA.[citation needed] His daughter Mary Kay, a teacher, became well-known after her arrest for having a sexual relationship with a student, whom she later married.
Mary Kay Fualaau (née Schmitz, formerly Mary Kay Letourneau; born January 30, 1962) is an American former schoolteacher who pleaded guilty to two counts of felony second degree rape of a child, her 12-year-old student, Vili Fualaau. Her plea agreement called for six months in jail, with three months suspended, and no contact with Fualaau for life.
One month after her release from jail, she was caught by police with Fualaau. Judge Linda Lau found that she was in violation of the conditions of the plea agreement, vacated it and re-sentenced her to seven years in prison. She was incarcerated from 1998 to 2004.
Before her first arrest, she was impregnated by Fualaau and gave birth to their daughter Audrey while out on bail. She was impregnated by Fualaau a second time shortly after being released from jail in 1998 and gave birth to daughter Georgia while in prison.
After her release in 2004, since he was over 18, Fualaau asked the court for the no-contact order to be revoked, and the court agreed. Letourneau and Fualaau married in 2005, and she took his name.[1][2][3]
The name Letorneau is famous for the earthmoving equipment and Christian evangelistic outreach of the late R.G.Letorneau. I know he is related, but am not sure how closely.
There is a reason why those "Feed The Children" commercials are never shot in Mexico. They can't find enough Mexican children who are skeleton level scrawny with flies all over their faces.Replies: @Das, @Harry Baldwin, @RadicalCenter
Mexico always looks like a loser country because it’s positioned immediately south of the USA, but it’s better off than 4/5th of humanity.
It’s the same reason why Mexicans are much less disastrous immigrants in the US than Merkel’s Millions in Europe.
Compared to Western Europe, the US, Canada, and Japan, Mexicans look like failures, but compared to everywhere else they’re doing fine.
Eastern European nations, Israel, oil rich Gulf Arab nations, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Singapore, South Korea, and Hong Kong also have a higher human development index than Mexico.
Just because Mexicans are obese and not starving like most 3rd world countries, doesn't mean they are the cream of the crop. Most obese Mexicans still have a lower IQ.
Studies have shown that obese people on average have lower IQs than healthy weight people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1531487/The-greater-your-weight-the-lower-your-IQ-say-scientists.htmlReplies: @alcogito
The one time my family tried AirBNB we kept getting turned down, so we finally crafted a request email that shamelessly mentioned all the nice colleges we’ve been to. That worked.
At the end of the day none of these changes could have occurred without whites moving Left. Hispanics are concentrated in a few states, many aren’t citizens and have low turnout rates. Ironically the ones that do vote lean more to the right than the ones that can’t or don’t. Prop 8 passed in CA because of Hispanics and blacks. It was whites that advocated and agitated to have it repeal. The transgender nonsense is being pushed by white ladies in affluent suburbs not blacks or Hispanics.
Trump will lose not because of minorities but because to college educated whites he’s just too much for them. So we’ll get an amnesty, refugees and radical social policy. Much is made of the ethnic demographic changes that are changing the country but the most meaningful change is that more whites are getting college degrees. They are moving into southern states. Philadelphia suburbs that used to lean red now are blue. Virginia is probably blue now because of college educated whites. I was at a grocery story in Fairfax,VA and looking around I can’t imagine any of the shoppers voting Trump. North Carolina will be next thank to the Research Triangle. Maybe GA hold out a little longer because it has more blacks and schools maybe an issue but it’ll fall too and it will fall because of whites.
My question is why do we have to suffer for the self hated of white leftists? Why are they not forced to pay, live among and suffer for their nonsense and they alone?
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that Hispanics who do vote tend to vote for the political Right? All of the statistics I have seen say Hispanic voters are part of The Democratic Party's Coalition Of The Fringes. They went voted for Barack Hussein Obama over Mitt Romney and John McCain by huge landslides. Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win an even bigger share of the Hispanic vote than Barack. Hispanics hate Donald Trump even more than they hate the Mormon and the P.O.W.
You are obviously extremely sheltered. Go wear a Make America Great Again t-shirt in the Viva La Raza neighborhood of Lincoln Heights, Los Angeles for example and you are going to end up having a very bad day similar to when John McClane walked around Harlem with an "I Hate N Words" sign in Die Hard 3.Replies: @fred c dobbs, @Ed
Twin Falls Idaho is home to a Chobani I yogurt factory. Chobani employs nothing but Somalian Muslim blacks and Muslim Syrians. Google Twin Falls rape 5 year old girl by 3 Somali boys for information on how the Local government including the lesbian state attorney general has supported the rapists and ignored the girl.
She's lucky she's 5 instead of 15. We're she 15 the local prosecutor would refuse to charge the rapists on the grounds it must have been consensual.
The Lutherans have dumped Somaliabs all over The Dakotas.
But the main attraction is farmers and food processing plants that import Hispanic Indians and somalians.Replies: @Henry Bowman, @RadicalCenter
No, their going back, and the loop hole of birth right ciztenship is done with…
Second, the Republican party has veered way to the right on cultural issues in recent decades, more so all the time. There aren't any Bible-thumpers left in most parts of California, and the Christianist grievances that fuel Republican rage in most places aren't here. The Republican Party is by and for Southerners now. The socially tolerant, fiscally conservative wing was killed off by the segregationists a long time ago. The biggest grievance still remaining are our gun control laws, but if you're mad about that there's no reason not to move to Arizona, where they hand out machine guns to any and every rage-addicted mentally incompetent person.
Third, there has been a sorting over the decades where any Californians wary of Hispanic immigration just tend to move. Two generations ago my whole family was in SoCal; now the liberal and leftist third still remain. The rest are in WA, OR, TX, CO, UT, NV, or AZ. Every time they leave they get much more conservative in a hurry.Replies: @Jefferson, @Bill
“Third, there has been a sorting over the decades where any Californians wary of Hispanic immigration just tend to move. Two generations ago my whole family was in SoCal; now the liberal and leftist third still remain. The rest are in WA, OR, TX, CO, UT, NV, or AZ. Every time they leave they get much more conservative in a hurry.”
Not enough White Conservatives have moved to Washington, Colorado, and Oregon to turn those states red in presidential elections.
But 55% of the vote in the sample was white. Latinos (22%) and Asians (11%) went for Obama by 72%-27% and 29%-21%. It goes without saying, blacks voters were overwhelmingly for Obama (96%).
Blacks, however, are comparatively few in the vote of California (8% in the exit polls).
One of the attacks on the Republicans is that they are a 'white' party - which in a Bayesian sense, is pretty close to axiomatically true. (That is to say, the probability of being white, given that you voted Republican, is about 80%).
It's no shock why the Democratic party is such a big advocate for "electing a new people."
What surprises me (mildly) is that the percentage of Asians voting for Obama in the exit polls (79%) is higher than Latinos (72%).
Here is a constituency that has, in my opinion, almost nothing in alignment with the current California Democrats. Law and order, affirmative action, confiscatory taxes, over-regulation of small businesses.
On which of these issues does it make *any* sense for Asians to align with the Democrats? And yet, they do. I know that Steve likes to talk about anti-white noisemaking as the K-K-Krazy glue of the Democrats (and there is likely some truth to that), but at some point, Asian Americans are going to wake up to the fact that it's just false to say that, for example, Silicon Valley is "overwhelmingly white," and that they are going to become one of the foci of the "two minutes hate." We have already seen it to a degree last year when the Dems looked to roll back the ban on affirmative action...
In the short term, the Democrats have a reliable coalition that will simply roll over any opposition in this state. In the long run, I suspect that it will become impossible to hold such a disparate group together.Replies: @AP, @Kyle, @snorlax, @Das
I suspect Asians are like white upper middle white people, and are turned off by tea party and Trump candidates.
I think you're right that many Asian American voters are turned off by the caricatures of the Republicans that are on display in the media, and from their strongly Democratic neighbours. (Though I lived in Orange County as a kid, my adult life has been largely in the SF Bay area, and it's only just a bit of a cliche to say I don't know a single Republican).
Steve has written about this before, but I think there is some truth that immigrant voters, especially those unfamiliar with liberal democracies, tend to mirror the dominant political beliefs of those around them. In urban California, that means liberalism of the sort offered by the Democrats.
In the long run, it's going to be ugly for them, however.
Trump will lose not because of minorities but because to college educated whites he's just too much for them. So we'll get an amnesty, refugees and radical social policy. Much is made of the ethnic demographic changes that are changing the country but the most meaningful change is that more whites are getting college degrees. They are moving into southern states. Philadelphia suburbs that used to lean red now are blue. Virginia is probably blue now because of college educated whites. I was at a grocery story in Fairfax,VA and looking around I can't imagine any of the shoppers voting Trump. North Carolina will be next thank to the Research Triangle. Maybe GA hold out a little longer because it has more blacks and schools maybe an issue but it'll fall too and it will fall because of whites.Replies: @Henry Bowman, @Jefferson, @iSteveFan
Fucking parasites, all of them…Then again it might be a Nixon style event “I will never vote for Nixon” but they then go in to the booth and they do not want more of the insanity of LBJ and then pulled the lever as he was planning to do for months before, then just lies about who he voted for….
My question is why do we have to suffer for the self hated of white leftists? Why are they not forced to pay, live among and suffer for their nonsense and they alone?
Trump will lose not because of minorities but because to college educated whites he's just too much for them. So we'll get an amnesty, refugees and radical social policy. Much is made of the ethnic demographic changes that are changing the country but the most meaningful change is that more whites are getting college degrees. They are moving into southern states. Philadelphia suburbs that used to lean red now are blue. Virginia is probably blue now because of college educated whites. I was at a grocery story in Fairfax,VA and looking around I can't imagine any of the shoppers voting Trump. North Carolina will be next thank to the Research Triangle. Maybe GA hold out a little longer because it has more blacks and schools maybe an issue but it'll fall too and it will fall because of whites.Replies: @Henry Bowman, @Jefferson, @iSteveFan
“At the end of the day none of these changes could have occurred without whites moving Left. Hispanics are concentrated in a few states, many aren’t citizens and have low turnout rates. Ironically the ones that do vote lean more to the right than the ones that can’t or don’t.”
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that Hispanics who do vote tend to vote for the political Right? All of the statistics I have seen say Hispanic voters are part of The Democratic Party’s Coalition Of The Fringes. They went voted for Barack Hussein Obama over Mitt Romney and John McCain by huge landslides. Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win an even bigger share of the Hispanic vote than Barack. Hispanics hate Donald Trump even more than they hate the Mormon and the P.O.W.
You are obviously extremely sheltered. Go wear a Make America Great Again t-shirt in the Viva La Raza neighborhood of Lincoln Heights, Los Angeles for example and you are going to end up having a very bad day similar to when John McClane walked around Harlem with an “I Hate N Words” sign in Die Hard 3.
I am...for the present......living in a part of town that is at least 80% Hispanic. I have ordered my TRUMP bumper stickers.....to affix to OTHER PEOPLE'S cars in the dead of night.
Let the hilarity ensue. I look forward to bashed headlights at a minimum (My very own personal Kristallnacht LOL)
(I know......it's rather juvenile. But no more so that the juvenile notions harbored by most of my neighbors. )
BTW...Re: Asian voters. Someone nailed it - sorta - by saying they were "unsophisticated". That's putting it mildly. The mysterious Oriental Mind does not savvy concepts like "liberty" any more than Spock understood humor. They go with whatever the local prevailing dogma is. They vote as they are told. This IS what you mean by "democracy", right?
Then there's the Pew poll that showed Trump getting 40% of English fluent Hispanics but hey I'll leave you to hold on to your hate.
http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/6-hispanic-voters-and-the-2016-election/
http://censusscope.org/2010Census/states.php?state=CA&name=CaliforniaReplies: @Jefferson, @Intelligent Dasein
That is some very interesting data. It corroborates what I think is a very important point, viz. that these demographic changes are being driven entirely by adult migration, not by births.
The absolute number of White people in California has declined markedly between 1990 and 2010, by just over 2 million. At the same time, the Hispanic population has increased by 6.5 million (nearly doubling). The Asian population also nearly doubled over that time period, jumping from 2.7 million to 4.7 million; but the number of Asian children only grew by a paltry 25%, increasing from 760,000 to 960,000, indicating that Asians are not very fertile.
Here is the kicker.The number of Hispanic children ballooned between 1990 and 2000, jumping from 2.7 million to 4 million. However, between 2000 and 2010 the increase was only another 700,000. This would indicate that Hispanics are quickly norming to America’s sub-replacement 1.9 TFR. Contrary to popular opinion, Hispanics are not out-breeding native born Whites. Only the adult population continues to increase.
Additionally, the rate of total population increase for California is declining rather drastically. Between 1980 and 1990 California’s population grew by over 6 million. Between 2000 and 2010 it grew by under 3.5 million. If all else remained the same, the latter decade’s growth could be almost entirely accounted for by the increase in the Hispanic population alone, but only about a quarter of it by Hispanic children.
Conclusion. There is a birth-dearth occurring all over the world. Immigration consists predominantly of moving adult populations around, while each successive generation gets smaller. Immigration is mainly a young person’s thing, but traditional source countries will soon run out of potential young immigrants to send as they experience the twin scourges of depopulation and low TFR. Increasing immigration to places like Europe and the USA cannot now but have the effect of denuding entire regions of people (i.e. Syria).
Whatever else today’s immigration drama may be, it is also the strip-mining of the world’s human population without regard to sustainability. The insatiable appetite of the Empire has turned catabolic. Immigration is morphologically related to monetary Keynesianism and the export-land model of petroleum exporting countries, which are likewise attempts to artificially prop up production in a world where organic growth is no longer possible. It is the denial stage of the aborning long demographic winter.
It's the same reason why Mexicans are much less disastrous immigrants in the US than Merkel's Millions in Europe.
Compared to Western Europe, the US, Canada, and Japan, Mexicans look like failures, but compared to everywhere else they're doing fine.Replies: @Jefferson
“Compared to Western Europe, the US, Canada, and Japan, Mexicans look like failures, but compared to everywhere else they’re doing fine.”
Eastern European nations, Israel, oil rich Gulf Arab nations, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Singapore, South Korea, and Hong Kong also have a higher human development index than Mexico.
Just because Mexicans are obese and not starving like most 3rd world countries, doesn’t mean they are the cream of the crop. Most obese Mexicans still have a lower IQ.
Studies have shown that obese people on average have lower IQs than healthy weight people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1531487/The-greater-your-weight-the-lower-your-IQ-say-scientists.html
Trump was not a candidate in 2012 (or 2008, for that matter). The Tea Party did not exist in 2008.
I think you’re right that many Asian American voters are turned off by the caricatures of the Republicans that are on display in the media, and from their strongly Democratic neighbours. (Though I lived in Orange County as a kid, my adult life has been largely in the SF Bay area, and it’s only just a bit of a cliche to say I don’t know a single Republican).
Steve has written about this before, but I think there is some truth that immigrant voters, especially those unfamiliar with liberal democracies, tend to mirror the dominant political beliefs of those around them. In urban California, that means liberalism of the sort offered by the Democrats.
In the long run, it’s going to be ugly for them, however.
Good stuff. I told my NY Times writer relatives I think Trump is gauche (yup), never liked him, but I’m voting for him. Practically disowned. My brothers in law are immigrants. My wife is an immigrant. My relatives are republicans and Dems, mostly the latter with many of the youngsters Bernie backers. but I have a nephew who just graduated from Fordham and worked for Christie and now the Wall Street Journal. They all can’t believe it.
I don’t even hate Hillary. My Hillary voting sister said she’d respect me more if I was voting Libertarian. I said I’m voting as a U.S. citizen and at least Trump is running as one.
Trump will lose not because of minorities but because to college educated whites he's just too much for them. So we'll get an amnesty, refugees and radical social policy. Much is made of the ethnic demographic changes that are changing the country but the most meaningful change is that more whites are getting college degrees. They are moving into southern states. Philadelphia suburbs that used to lean red now are blue. Virginia is probably blue now because of college educated whites. I was at a grocery story in Fairfax,VA and looking around I can't imagine any of the shoppers voting Trump. North Carolina will be next thank to the Research Triangle. Maybe GA hold out a little longer because it has more blacks and schools maybe an issue but it'll fall too and it will fall because of whites.Replies: @Henry Bowman, @Jefferson, @iSteveFan
Are college degrees the cause of whites moving leftward? If getting a college degree changes one’s outlook into accepting mass third world immigration and other gobblydegook, then why doesn’t the population of Israel clamor for such change? Why doesn’t the population of Japan clamor for such change?
Besides what's the % of Israelis that have college degrees?Replies: @iSteveFan
Of course Olof Palme was a perfectly normal conservative upper class teenager, then he studied in the US for a year and become a devout communist, perhaps his parents should have let him study in the USSR instead. My brother did a PHD in the US and is now very far left, far more so than I would have expected otherwise.Replies: @stillCARealist
East Asians are shockingly unsophisticated politically. I know this first-hand with my family. That’s to the advantage of many NAMs. I’ve seen many federal and state government offices with NAM executives with bogus academic degrees who have Ivy-educated Asian-American worker bees doing the work of the half-dozen other staff. But the Asian keeps her mouth shut, stays in line, doesn’t stray off the PC reservation, so what’s to complain about.
The population of Israel is surrounded by people that openly want them dead. Flirting with idiotic leftist notions of globalism & open borders is just too risky. Not the best comparison. Britain would be a better one and there too you see a split among the college educated & the rest of the population in terms of political outlooks. It appears in the Anglo world being fit your country is just too gauche for a significant portion of the educated elite.
Besides what’s the % of Israelis that have college degrees?
I think more than half the Mexicans in Yakima are non-citizens. I was in Wenatchee not long ago and went to a Mexican restaurant for lunch. The waitress, an assimilated Mexican girl, complained to me about how her Mexican customers don’t tip (after I wished her good fortune for the day).
Just a few days ago a Mexican went on the loose with a gun in my neighborhood, opening fire in a church of all places. There were cops with shotguns and k-9 units all over the place so I didn’t get to sleep on time and had a rough day at work. Do media people ever mention these kinds of things we Americans have to deal with as a result of immigration? I am so angry at these people.
It’s as though they’re at war with us. Actually, they really are, and we’re just sitting ducks not allowed to fight back.
Besides what's the % of Israelis that have college degrees?Replies: @iSteveFan
Ed,
Comparing Britain, or Canada or Australia, to the USA is probably not a good one if you are looking for differences. We all are part of the same world and receive the same or similar versions of the narrative.
That is why I brought up Japan and Israel. I think they are insulated from English language media, especially Japan.
As far as Israel’s percentage of college educated citizens, I don’t have the numbers, but would assume it would be as high or higher than the USA.
Having said that it doesn’t appear that having college degrees causes Japanese or Israelis to become willing to give up their nations.
There’s a shocking amount of people in this country, even here in California, who believe the state is just the same as it was in 1980
Yes, they are called Chamber of Commerce Republicans and they are right it is still 1980 – at least what they are paying their employees.
What the minimum should be for Mexicans and other "Latinos" should be is tougher, but I imagine it'd be inversly proportional to their height.
All those White Stanford engineering students I dated 1960 to 1964 were solidly republican from solidly republican families. They kept Santa Clara and San Mateo counties republican for a few years.
But after they built the tech industry known as Silicon Valley they were laid off and never called back.
Most became high school math teachers, the default job for STEM grads. Virtually every private sector employer in Calufornia is totally committed to the elimination of Whites from its work force.
Government and education are the biggest employers and they are even more committed to eliminating Whites.
California, New York and Illinois have 105 electoral votes. California will probably be allocated more and more congress critters after the next census.
As soon as Florida and Texas turn majority non White, there will be a solid bloc of more that 200 solidly democrat electoral college votes.Replies: @Bert, @ScarletNumber, @Jefferson
Why does the alt-right attract so many old autists?
The "alt-right" movement will fail because of its obsession with race and nationality, which in a world that is constantly changing (if you don't believe me, read a history book) where groups and nations come and go is simply low information, low IQ, low self-confident, weak and ignorant viewpoint. The alt-right is comprised of weak lonely white men.Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Ozymandias, @anon, @The Albino Sasquatch, @Kyle, @MEH 0910
At least the alt-right knows how to use the word comprised, despite being low information, low IQ, etc. well, more than you, at least.
It’s sad that Trump has no chance of winning our country’s largest state.
Another casualty of nation-breaking immigration.
The "alt-right" movement will fail because of its obsession with race and nationality, which in a world that is constantly changing (if you don't believe me, read a history book) where groups and nations come and go is simply low information, low IQ, low self-confident, weak and ignorant viewpoint. The alt-right is comprised of weak lonely white men.Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Ozymandias, @anon, @The Albino Sasquatch, @Kyle, @MEH 0910
I don’t read your schtick anymore, but I have noticed that they’re getting longer to skip over. Ironic that your increased effort coincides with diminishing returns.
Pop of CA: 38.1 MM
White Pop of CA: 23.7 MM
Non-hispanic white pop of CA: 14.9MM
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of CA:
lived in CA last year: 14.4MM
lived in other US state last year: 278K
lived abroad last year: 85 K
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of US ex-CA:
lived in CA last year: 320K
So, that's a decline of something like 40K (320-280) per year. 400K per decade. Or 2.7% per decade. I was pretty surprised at the number of non-hispanic white in-migrants.
Another way to look at the same question is to just look at the US-native-born, non-hispanic, white population of CA (again using IPUMS data):
1990: 15.7MM
2000: 14.4MM
2005: 13.8MM
2010: 13.5MM
2014: 13.3MM
Of course, this second way of looking at it includes deaths as out-migration and births as in-migration.
Anyway, CA seems to be losing four or five hundred thousand US born, non-hispanic whites per decade. It's not like a refugee flow, but it is pretty fast change as demographic change goes.Replies: @stillCARealist, @Lot
I could sit down right now and list out for you about 30 people, who I know personally, who have left CA over the last 15 years. All of them married, white, middle-class Republicans (and their kids). There’s just better jobs and cheaper homes in other states. Nice weather alone can’t keep the white middle class here. They’ll leave family and friends and start over in North Carolina, Texas, Colorado, Alaska… one family even went to Maine to retire (imagine!).
Is there any place keft on the planet that offers both low taxes and white neighbors?
The "alt-right" movement will fail because of its obsession with race and nationality, which in a world that is constantly changing (if you don't believe me, read a history book) where groups and nations come and go is simply low information, low IQ, low self-confident, weak and ignorant viewpoint. The alt-right is comprised of weak lonely white men.Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Ozymandias, @anon, @The Albino Sasquatch, @Kyle, @MEH 0910
IF you are white, which I very much doubt, you are a pathetic self hating one, consumed by projectionist horse manure.
The "alt-right" movement will fail because of its obsession with race and nationality, which in a world that is constantly changing (if you don't believe me, read a history book) where groups and nations come and go is simply low information, low IQ, low self-confident, weak and ignorant viewpoint. The alt-right is comprised of weak lonely white men.Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Ozymandias, @anon, @The Albino Sasquatch, @Kyle, @MEH 0910
Pluck a duck…
“steal” their privilege
Like your privilege? Yeah I can just see you giving up yours to these colored people you claim to love so much. Put your money & privilege where your mealy white mouth is.
The last time these scum were in ascendency was in the late 1850s. We know what happened shortly thereafter.
What was that? Do tell. On second thought, don’t bother I’ll just await the next Nate Parker or Tarantino film.
Be careful. People of Color and allies will remember your transgressions
They sure will Tiny, and don’t be surprised when you end up counted as one of the transgressors, so keep stoking & encouraging their anger and resentment, you don’t have anything to worry about do you, whitey?
It is really past time for white people to get over themselves. (yes, i am white).
Including you?
I am sick to death of hearing the pissing and moaning…
Then stop coming here and reading the articles that inflame your feathers so. Just imagine how sickened we are of hearing from you Cuck…why, it’s 59 times the pain!
…sad, pathetic internet trolls
Says the ‘man’ who lives alone with two cats.
Clinton beat Bush for a reason. Bush was a elitist of the worst sort, dull, bland and had no interest in America or it's people.
He had nothing that made white people want to vote for him. Economically he was a giant middle-finger to the lower class whites. Clinton played the populist and most lower class whites figured despite being a lecher and pig he'd look out for the economic interests of whites as Democrats were traditionally to do.
They didn't figure Clinton would turn on them once in office and shatter the old alliances.Replies: @Lot
While I think the GOP has had elections where it could have done better, for the most part I think it does the best it can in very difficult circumstances. The alternative to Fiorina and Whitman, which both self-funded $70-100 million, was some no-name inland congressman who would have raised $3 million and had less than 30% name rec on election day and no voter turnout organization.
Our individual Republican congressmen, outside of a few awful ones in the central valley, are mostly very solid on national questions. There is Issa of course, plus Hunter was the first House member to endorse Trump.
The "alt-right" movement will fail because of its obsession with race and nationality, which in a world that is constantly changing (if you don't believe me, read a history book) where groups and nations come and go is simply low information, low IQ, low self-confident, weak and ignorant viewpoint. The alt-right is comprised of weak lonely white men.Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Ozymandias, @anon, @The Albino Sasquatch, @Kyle, @MEH 0910
We haven’t had a tight grip on this country since it’s inception, that’s an uninformed viewpoint you need to read a history book as well.
We realize that groups and nations come and go, but think about this, we’ve also kept populations of white people alive in North and west Europe for at least recorded history.
And yes we reap what we sow, of course, and we share what we reap with everyone.
Israel and Japan are two places who still have an intact nation in 2016. How many intact nations are there?
It just has the most powerful country behind it.
Japan is 98% ethnically Japanese. It's not even close.
I'm about Sailer's age. Have lived in CA most of my life.
In 1970, arguable California's apogee, the state had just under 20 million people. Roughly 3/4, or 15 million, were white.
FF to the present. Forty-five years later, the state has almost doubled, to 39 million. Roughly 3/8, or 15 million people, were white.
In other words, we have not added a single white resident in nearly half a century.
Or, looked at another way: Among the state's white population, we exhibit the same demographic trends as Western New York and Western Pennsylvania.
Demographically that's an 8.0 seismic event. And the implications: Yuge.Replies: @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia, @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
I think you misread Lot. He said CA’s white population is the same in absolute number, though not in share. That’s exactly what you’ve just said: The absolute number, 15 million, is unchanged, though that is now only 3/8 of the population, not the 3/4 it was in 1970. Lot indicated that the 15 million remained the same because in-migration of whites has balanced their out-migration. He was simply pointing out that the much-spoken-of out-migration of whites from CA has not reduced the number of whites in the state.
I doubt Lot would disagree that the demographic change is seismic; he was simply pointing out that the change consists of a growth of the non-white population.
At least in the urban areas, there are many newcomers who are replacing people who die, or who are forced out because of the extremely high cost of living (what Steve calls the "dirt gap.")
These people are the BoBos made famous by David Brooks - we live in San Francisco. For a while, my company rented us an apartment down by the ballpark. Our immediate area had many young, single white residents - far whiter I would say, anecdotally, than one would get in a random draw of San Francisco (overall, 49% white according to the 2010 census) - FAR more than half the people I would see walking to the train, or in Safeway, or at restaurants nearby.
These millenials are, if exit polls are to be believed, pretty reliably invested in the globalist cause.
From the most recent data, only 38% of the people in San Francisco were born in California (the only one in our family to qualify is our son). As many (36%) are from a foreign country.
Looking at the data for SF, in 1970, it was a city of 715k residents, 71% of whom were white. In 2010, the population had grown to 805k, with 48.5% white.
Doing the algebra, that means the population of white city residents had fallen from 510k in 1970 to 391k in 2010, a 24% reduction.
So the demographic changes are playing out in sheer numbers as well as by WHO is entering/exiting the state.Replies: @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
Yes, the legal minimum wage for union members should be set at $85/hr, and any business caught paying them less should be closed down or driven out of the state. That’d make up for lost time.
What the minimum should be for Mexicans and other “Latinos” should be is tougher, but I imagine it’d be inversly proportional to their height.
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that Hispanics who do vote tend to vote for the political Right? All of the statistics I have seen say Hispanic voters are part of The Democratic Party's Coalition Of The Fringes. They went voted for Barack Hussein Obama over Mitt Romney and John McCain by huge landslides. Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win an even bigger share of the Hispanic vote than Barack. Hispanics hate Donald Trump even more than they hate the Mormon and the P.O.W.
You are obviously extremely sheltered. Go wear a Make America Great Again t-shirt in the Viva La Raza neighborhood of Lincoln Heights, Los Angeles for example and you are going to end up having a very bad day similar to when John McClane walked around Harlem with an "I Hate N Words" sign in Die Hard 3.Replies: @fred c dobbs, @Ed
Better yet…have fun the subterfuge way.
I am…for the present……living in a part of town that is at least 80% Hispanic. I have ordered my TRUMP bumper stickers…..to affix to OTHER PEOPLE’S cars in the dead of night.
Let the hilarity ensue. I look forward to bashed headlights at a minimum (My very own personal Kristallnacht LOL)
(I know……it’s rather juvenile. But no more so that the juvenile notions harbored by most of my neighbors. )
BTW…Re: Asian voters. Someone nailed it – sorta – by saying they were “unsophisticated”. That’s putting it mildly. The mysterious Oriental Mind does not savvy concepts like “liberty” any more than Spock understood humor. They go with whatever the local prevailing dogma is. They vote as they are told. This IS what you mean by “democracy”, right?
As a white in-migrant to Cali, I can attest to the abiding appeal of California. It's still perceived as an ideal destination city for people coming from the Midwest and a job-hub for college grads.
My two recently departed department heads were both white and relatively recent transplants from North Dakota and Oklahoma. The North Dakota guy wouldn't stop raving about the palm trees and the weather (even on 100+ degree summer days). The 2010-2012 real estate decline made housing semi-affordable for them as well. Universities draw in a lot of young white people too, and they end up sticking around, postponing family formation to stay connected to the SoCal job market (which is relatively friendly to random liberal arts majors looking for low-stress white collar work).
One aspect of California that might impact the state is how aggressively and uniformly leftist education is here.Maybe it's that way all over, but it's certainly difficult to get an education in Cali without getting a full-court press to accept the Dem platform.Replies: @Reg Cæsar
They have those in NoDak, too.
I don't even hate Hillary. My Hillary voting sister said she'd respect me more if I was voting Libertarian. I said I'm voting as a U.S. citizen and at least Trump is running as one.Replies: @Kyle, @Pericles
Does your sister need a real stud?
With the exception of (perhaps) Alaska, all those are being inundated by immigrants as well.
Is there any place keft on the planet that offers both low taxes and white neighbors?
I doubt Lot would disagree that the demographic change is seismic; he was simply pointing out that the change consists of a growth of the non-white population.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Antonymous, @DWB
An obscure point is that there has been a lot of turnover of whites in California with American whites being replaced by immigrant whites from the old Ottoman and Romanov Empires. I’ve never seen any good data on this, but it’s definitely happening.
Pop of CA: 38.1 MM
White Pop of CA: 23.7 MM
Non-hispanic white pop of CA: 14.9MM
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of CA:
lived in CA last year: 14.4MM
lived in other US state last year: 278K
lived abroad last year: 85 K
Looking at the Non-hispanic white pop of US ex-CA:
lived in CA last year: 320K
So, that's a decline of something like 40K (320-280) per year. 400K per decade. Or 2.7% per decade. I was pretty surprised at the number of non-hispanic white in-migrants.
Another way to look at the same question is to just look at the US-native-born, non-hispanic, white population of CA (again using IPUMS data):
1990: 15.7MM
2000: 14.4MM
2005: 13.8MM
2010: 13.5MM
2014: 13.3MM
Of course, this second way of looking at it includes deaths as out-migration and births as in-migration.
Anyway, CA seems to be losing four or five hundred thousand US born, non-hispanic whites per decade. It's not like a refugee flow, but it is pretty fast change as demographic change goes.Replies: @stillCARealist, @Lot
Thanks for providing the exact numbers. Some of the non-hispanic white population decline is not out-migration, but mixed race grandchildren replacing their white grandparents. A US white inflow of 280k offset by an outflow of 320k seems to be more of a churn that slightly disfavors CA than a mass abandonment.
I have also encountered more white immigrants here than anywhere else I’ve lived in the USA. I knew zero in the midwest growing up unless you count Canadians, whom midwesterners generally do not consider foreign. San Diego is full of Australians, South Africans, and random rich Europeans. Our liquor stores are mostly run by kinda-white middle eastern Christians. Sacramento is full of Russian christians, Russian Jews are all over LA and SF, Armenians and Western Europeans are all over LA.
There is an interesting interactive map, I think on NYTimes, that shows in and outflows by county and state. As I remember, CA is a large net importer of whites from the midwest and NE, and large net exporter to interior West.
You guys are just racist scumbags and sad, pathetic internet trolls. Be careful. People of Color and allies will remember your transgressions. You will reap what you sow.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anonymous
You have no frame of reference here, Ducky. You’re like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know what’s going on. You’re out of your element.
The closest proxy for upper-middle class status is postgraduate education. The growth in the Dem portion of that population is striking.
It's less impressive for the college-only group, although there is a trend to the Dems there, too.Replies: @Ozymandias
“The closest proxy for upper-middle class status is postgraduate education. The growth in the Dem portion of that population is striking.”
If you’ve been around long enough to observe the evolution of our education system changing into a liberal indoctrination system, it was to be expected.
I'm about Sailer's age. Have lived in CA most of my life.
In 1970, arguable California's apogee, the state had just under 20 million people. Roughly 3/4, or 15 million, were white.
FF to the present. Forty-five years later, the state has almost doubled, to 39 million. Roughly 3/8, or 15 million people, were white.
In other words, we have not added a single white resident in nearly half a century.
Or, looked at another way: Among the state's white population, we exhibit the same demographic trends as Western New York and Western Pennsylvania.
Demographically that's an 8.0 seismic event. And the implications: Yuge.Replies: @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia, @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
After posting my previous comment, in which I cited your numbers re a white population of 15 million in CA, I encountered comment 43, below, from “Bill.” There, you will see some information that indicates a decline in the absolute number of CA whites. As Bill himself says, with respect to the size of the decline, “It’s not like a refugee flow, but it is pretty fast change as demographic change goes.”
The "alt-right" movement will fail because of its obsession with race and nationality, which in a world that is constantly changing (if you don't believe me, read a history book) where groups and nations come and go is simply low information, low IQ, low self-confident, weak and ignorant viewpoint. The alt-right is comprised of weak lonely white men.Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Ozymandias, @anon, @The Albino Sasquatch, @Kyle, @MEH 0910
What’s this about Gabbo?
Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that Hispanics who do vote tend to vote for the political Right? All of the statistics I have seen say Hispanic voters are part of The Democratic Party's Coalition Of The Fringes. They went voted for Barack Hussein Obama over Mitt Romney and John McCain by huge landslides. Crooked Hildabeast is expected to win an even bigger share of the Hispanic vote than Barack. Hispanics hate Donald Trump even more than they hate the Mormon and the P.O.W.
You are obviously extremely sheltered. Go wear a Make America Great Again t-shirt in the Viva La Raza neighborhood of Lincoln Heights, Los Angeles for example and you are going to end up having a very bad day similar to when John McClane walked around Harlem with an "I Hate N Words" sign in Die Hard 3.Replies: @fred c dobbs, @Ed
Sure there are Cubans in FL and even Mexucan-Americans in TX. Polling suggests about 40% voted for Romney in the state.
Then there’s the Pew poll that showed Trump getting 40% of English fluent Hispanics but hey I’ll leave you to hold on to your hate.
http://www.people-press.org/2016/07/07/6-hispanic-voters-and-the-2016-election/
There is a reason why those "Feed The Children" commercials are never shot in Mexico. They can't find enough Mexican children who are skeleton level scrawny with flies all over their faces.Replies: @Das, @Harry Baldwin, @RadicalCenter
There’s a great documentary about the narco war in Mexico called “Cartel Land.” It’s available on Netflix. One of my takeaways from it was, “Gosh there sure are a lot of fat Mexicans.”
Israel is 20% Arab and that’s not even counting the Palestinians. Its Jewush population contains about 3 or 4 large subgroups. It’s not intact.
It just has the most powerful country behind it.
Japan is 98% ethnically Japanese. It’s not even close.
I was born and raised in CA. Then I was away from the area for some years and then returned. That was in 1990. Something strange had happened. I could not tell what it was and then later I tried to return again and I notice the same kind of problem. Maybe it has to do with the social meme?
http://verysmartbrothas.com/america-didnt-deserve-michelle-obama/
They love the Obamas. They hate TrumpReplies: @Kyle
Your perception is your reality.
Why do you care what the group thinks? What the group thinks about “obama” and “trump” is irrelevant. We care about objectivity of ideologies. You are female, you are totalitarian. You are a huge pussy.
Most of the men here are skeptics. We don’t particularly hate Obama or love Trump. Obama is… whatever, he’s an affirmative action hire. I oppose his ideology, but I can’t hate the guy for standing there and reading the script and participating in the machine.
I absolutely love trumps ideology, and I’ll end my praises there.
But 55% of the vote in the sample was white. Latinos (22%) and Asians (11%) went for Obama by 72%-27% and 29%-21%. It goes without saying, blacks voters were overwhelmingly for Obama (96%).
Blacks, however, are comparatively few in the vote of California (8% in the exit polls).
One of the attacks on the Republicans is that they are a 'white' party - which in a Bayesian sense, is pretty close to axiomatically true. (That is to say, the probability of being white, given that you voted Republican, is about 80%).
It's no shock why the Democratic party is such a big advocate for "electing a new people."
What surprises me (mildly) is that the percentage of Asians voting for Obama in the exit polls (79%) is higher than Latinos (72%).
Here is a constituency that has, in my opinion, almost nothing in alignment with the current California Democrats. Law and order, affirmative action, confiscatory taxes, over-regulation of small businesses.
On which of these issues does it make *any* sense for Asians to align with the Democrats? And yet, they do. I know that Steve likes to talk about anti-white noisemaking as the K-K-Krazy glue of the Democrats (and there is likely some truth to that), but at some point, Asian Americans are going to wake up to the fact that it's just false to say that, for example, Silicon Valley is "overwhelmingly white," and that they are going to become one of the foci of the "two minutes hate." We have already seen it to a degree last year when the Dems looked to roll back the ban on affirmative action...
In the short term, the Democrats have a reliable coalition that will simply roll over any opposition in this state. In the long run, I suspect that it will become impossible to hold such a disparate group together.Replies: @AP, @Kyle, @snorlax, @Das
Because Asians do what they’re told. That’s why.
They’re totalitarian.
The absolute number of White people in California has declined markedly between 1990 and 2010, by just over 2 million. At the same time, the Hispanic population has increased by 6.5 million (nearly doubling). The Asian population also nearly doubled over that time period, jumping from 2.7 million to 4.7 million; but the number of Asian children only grew by a paltry 25%, increasing from 760,000 to 960,000, indicating that Asians are not very fertile.
Here is the kicker.The number of Hispanic children ballooned between 1990 and 2000, jumping from 2.7 million to 4 million. However, between 2000 and 2010 the increase was only another 700,000. This would indicate that Hispanics are quickly norming to America's sub-replacement 1.9 TFR. Contrary to popular opinion, Hispanics are not out-breeding native born Whites. Only the adult population continues to increase.
Additionally, the rate of total population increase for California is declining rather drastically. Between 1980 and 1990 California's population grew by over 6 million. Between 2000 and 2010 it grew by under 3.5 million. If all else remained the same, the latter decade's growth could be almost entirely accounted for by the increase in the Hispanic population alone, but only about a quarter of it by Hispanic children.
Conclusion. There is a birth-dearth occurring all over the world. Immigration consists predominantly of moving adult populations around, while each successive generation gets smaller. Immigration is mainly a young person's thing, but traditional source countries will soon run out of potential young immigrants to send as they experience the twin scourges of depopulation and low TFR. Increasing immigration to places like Europe and the USA cannot now but have the effect of denuding entire regions of people (i.e. Syria).
Whatever else today's immigration drama may be, it is also the strip-mining of the world's human population without regard to sustainability. The insatiable appetite of the Empire has turned catabolic. Immigration is morphologically related to monetary Keynesianism and the export-land model of petroleum exporting countries, which are likewise attempts to artificially prop up production in a world where organic growth is no longer possible. It is the denial stage of the aborning long demographic winter.Replies: @Yo Trump
What about sub-Saharan Africa?
Just ~20 years ago Orange County was still one of the most conservative counties in the entire country. That was around the time Loretta Sanchez defeated Bob Dornan for his congressional seat. Orange County also sent illustrious John G. Schmitz to Congress. In 64 it was one of only 18 counties outside of the deep south to vote for Goldwater.
Maybe the mestizos from Oaxaca just need to read the Federalist Papers & they will be Reaganites in no time.Replies: @Former Darfur, @Bill
Ah yes, John Schmitz.
Two of Schmitz’s children, sons John and Joseph, have held prominent posts in Republican presidential administrations.[citation needed] Son Joseph Schmitz has also worked for the international security firm Blackwater USA.[citation needed] His daughter Mary Kay, a teacher, became well-known after her arrest for having a sexual relationship with a student, whom she later married.
Mary Kay Fualaau (née Schmitz, formerly Mary Kay Letourneau; born January 30, 1962) is an American former schoolteacher who pleaded guilty to two counts of felony second degree rape of a child, her 12-year-old student, Vili Fualaau. Her plea agreement called for six months in jail, with three months suspended, and no contact with Fualaau for life.
One month after her release from jail, she was caught by police with Fualaau. Judge Linda Lau found that she was in violation of the conditions of the plea agreement, vacated it and re-sentenced her to seven years in prison. She was incarcerated from 1998 to 2004.
Before her first arrest, she was impregnated by Fualaau and gave birth to their daughter Audrey while out on bail. She was impregnated by Fualaau a second time shortly after being released from jail in 1998 and gave birth to daughter Georgia while in prison.
After her release in 2004, since he was over 18, Fualaau asked the court for the no-contact order to be revoked, and the court agreed. Letourneau and Fualaau married in 2005, and she took his name.[1][2][3]
The name Letorneau is famous for the earthmoving equipment and Christian evangelistic outreach of the late R.G.Letorneau. I know he is related, but am not sure how closely.
But 55% of the vote in the sample was white. Latinos (22%) and Asians (11%) went for Obama by 72%-27% and 29%-21%. It goes without saying, blacks voters were overwhelmingly for Obama (96%).
Blacks, however, are comparatively few in the vote of California (8% in the exit polls).
One of the attacks on the Republicans is that they are a 'white' party - which in a Bayesian sense, is pretty close to axiomatically true. (That is to say, the probability of being white, given that you voted Republican, is about 80%).
It's no shock why the Democratic party is such a big advocate for "electing a new people."
What surprises me (mildly) is that the percentage of Asians voting for Obama in the exit polls (79%) is higher than Latinos (72%).
Here is a constituency that has, in my opinion, almost nothing in alignment with the current California Democrats. Law and order, affirmative action, confiscatory taxes, over-regulation of small businesses.
On which of these issues does it make *any* sense for Asians to align with the Democrats? And yet, they do. I know that Steve likes to talk about anti-white noisemaking as the K-K-Krazy glue of the Democrats (and there is likely some truth to that), but at some point, Asian Americans are going to wake up to the fact that it's just false to say that, for example, Silicon Valley is "overwhelmingly white," and that they are going to become one of the foci of the "two minutes hate." We have already seen it to a degree last year when the Dems looked to roll back the ban on affirmative action...
In the short term, the Democrats have a reliable coalition that will simply roll over any opposition in this state. In the long run, I suspect that it will become impossible to hold such a disparate group together.Replies: @AP, @Kyle, @snorlax, @Das
Liberal Asians are liberal, “alt-right” Asians view white people the same way we view black people.
And I suppose that's why they are so keen to move-in, en masse, to a nation which is still mostly white. A country built by white people with laws, institutions, wealth etc built by white people.
Are 'white people' that eager to move-in on a black country? Or Bangladesh?
Eastern European nations, Israel, oil rich Gulf Arab nations, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Singapore, South Korea, and Hong Kong also have a higher human development index than Mexico.
Just because Mexicans are obese and not starving like most 3rd world countries, doesn't mean they are the cream of the crop. Most obese Mexicans still have a lower IQ.
Studies have shown that obese people on average have lower IQs than healthy weight people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1531487/The-greater-your-weight-the-lower-your-IQ-say-scientists.htmlReplies: @alcogito
Maybe they are obese because they have lower IQs.
But 55% of the vote in the sample was white. Latinos (22%) and Asians (11%) went for Obama by 72%-27% and 29%-21%. It goes without saying, blacks voters were overwhelmingly for Obama (96%).
Blacks, however, are comparatively few in the vote of California (8% in the exit polls).
One of the attacks on the Republicans is that they are a 'white' party - which in a Bayesian sense, is pretty close to axiomatically true. (That is to say, the probability of being white, given that you voted Republican, is about 80%).
It's no shock why the Democratic party is such a big advocate for "electing a new people."
What surprises me (mildly) is that the percentage of Asians voting for Obama in the exit polls (79%) is higher than Latinos (72%).
Here is a constituency that has, in my opinion, almost nothing in alignment with the current California Democrats. Law and order, affirmative action, confiscatory taxes, over-regulation of small businesses.
On which of these issues does it make *any* sense for Asians to align with the Democrats? And yet, they do. I know that Steve likes to talk about anti-white noisemaking as the K-K-Krazy glue of the Democrats (and there is likely some truth to that), but at some point, Asian Americans are going to wake up to the fact that it's just false to say that, for example, Silicon Valley is "overwhelmingly white," and that they are going to become one of the foci of the "two minutes hate." We have already seen it to a degree last year when the Dems looked to roll back the ban on affirmative action...
In the short term, the Democrats have a reliable coalition that will simply roll over any opposition in this state. In the long run, I suspect that it will become impossible to hold such a disparate group together.Replies: @AP, @Kyle, @snorlax, @Das
Lifestyle characteristics other than race explain Asian voting patterns pretty well.
Asians have relatively high income (pro-Republican), but also high education (pro-Dem), tend to live in big cities (pro-Dem), and are non-Christian (extremely pro-Dem).
No one would be shocked that a non-Christian college-educated white person living in the Bay Area is a Democrat.
Prior to 1965, and the Teddy Kennedy Act, Asians were more or less forbidden, by law, from both immigrating and settling on US soil, and from naturalization. It really was explicit and racially determined as that. Put simply, Asians were simply not wanted and not accepted by white America.
Now, to many of us, 1965 is not terribly long ago, 'the day before yesterday'. intelligent Asians know and realise that if it wasn't for the Democrats neither they nor their children would ever have had a chance of life on American soil - so by voting Democrat they are merely re-paying a debt, and of course, their is a certain mistrust of Republicans and Republican hidden motives, there.Replies: @DWB
If you back far enough in the chain of my comment thread, I was responding to the suggestion that getting a college degree made whites more likely to vote democrat and support mass immigration. I was just pointing out that having a college education didn’t seem to induce the same behavior in Israel or Japan.
I doubt Lot would disagree that the demographic change is seismic; he was simply pointing out that the change consists of a growth of the non-white population.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Antonymous, @DWB
The absolute number of whites nationally hasn’t increased much either since 1970. About 180 million then and 223 million now (2010 census), the latter including hispanic and middle eastern groups. Probably more like mid-190’s then for european-descended whites.
Not much increase for 40 years.
In all my many years, I've never heard of anyone I know - in 'recent' years ( the last half century), emigrating permanently to the USA. I presume it's damn high impossible for an 'ordinary' Briton to do so. Actually, these days, I doubt if any (real) Briton would want to do so. Pakistanis, Nigerians, Jamaicans etc in Britain are another story.
However, I do hear about people emigrating to Australia.Replies: @TheJester
As I’ve said before, once Western nations stop sending aid, technology, and money, sub-Saharan Africa will benefit from a most natural outbreak of “population control.”
Yep.
And I suppose that’s why they are so keen to move-in, en masse, to a nation which is still mostly white. A country built by white people with laws, institutions, wealth etc built by white people.
Are ‘white people’ that eager to move-in on a black country? Or Bangladesh?
Asians have relatively high income (pro-Republican), but also high education (pro-Dem), tend to live in big cities (pro-Dem), and are non-Christian (extremely pro-Dem).
No one would be shocked that a non-Christian college-educated white person living in the Bay Area is a Democrat.Replies: @Anonymous
Everyone’s missing the obvious.
Prior to 1965, and the Teddy Kennedy Act, Asians were more or less forbidden, by law, from both immigrating and settling on US soil, and from naturalization. It really was explicit and racially determined as that. Put simply, Asians were simply not wanted and not accepted by white America.
Now, to many of us, 1965 is not terribly long ago, ‘the day before yesterday’. intelligent Asians know and realise that if it wasn’t for the Democrats neither they nor their children would ever have had a chance of life on American soil – so by voting Democrat they are merely re-paying a debt, and of course, their is a certain mistrust of Republicans and Republican hidden motives, there.
your facts may be true, but I think you over-estimate the grasp that newcomers have of history.
Here is a challenge -ask the next 100 people you meet who are Asian, but born outside the US, if they know about the 1965 immigration Act? Even better, ask them which party was responsible for interning Japanese Americans? Who authored the 1952 Act that was repealed? Or, who wrote the Act that permanently embedded Chinese Exclusion?
(Answers: FDR, Democrat; Pat McCarran, Democrat, and Francis Walter, Democrat; Thomas Geary, Democrat)
I would be quite surprised if even half had heard of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, but ask anyways. I used to live in Cupertino, California, and was the ONLY person on my cul de sac who was *not* an Immigrant from China, Taiwan, Singapore, or India. Not one of them knew anything about the 1965 act. I find your argument incredible.
"Intelligent Asians" knowledge of the Democratic party is largely based upon propaganda, at least here in California.Replies: @Antonymous
I live in the UK, where I was born.
In all my many years, I’ve never heard of anyone I know – in ‘recent’ years ( the last half century), emigrating permanently to the USA. I presume it’s damn high impossible for an ‘ordinary’ Briton to do so. Actually, these days, I doubt if any (real) Briton would want to do so. Pakistanis, Nigerians, Jamaicans etc in Britain are another story.
However, I do hear about people emigrating to Australia.
How did they get here? I scratch my head. Third-world immigration with alien cultures and religions taking priority over immigration from the developed countries of Western Europe?
P.S. I left out mention of Hispanics since, although they are the majority immigrant population in the area, a large percentage of them are illegal ... so immigration laws are irrelevant in their case.Replies: @Anonymous, @avraham, @SteveO
The Philadelphia suburbs are the prime example of this. By appealing to the soccer mom vote, Clinton was able to flip a bunch of solidly Republican counties over to the Democrats, and they haven't gone back since.
Pennsylvania has stayed competitive because it has a bunch of declining industrial towns that are trending Republican. California has no equivalent to that, so it just stayed solidly Democratic.Replies: @unpc downunder
Nailed it. Upper middle class whites are right-wing liberals who are relatively right wing on economic issues like taxes and financial deregulation, and relatively liberal on social issues like immigration and gay rights. Clinton pushed the Dems further to the right on economic issues to appeal to successful college educated whites. Tony Blair did the same thing with Labour in the UK, Keating did the same thing with Labour in Australia, and Douglas did the same thing in New Zealand
Also, the more neoliberal centre left parties become in terms of economic policy, the more liberal they become in terms of immigration policy. I guess this is because once they have some big business and upper middle class support they can ignore the unions who aren’t so keen on importing cheap labour.
The most spectacular example of this happened under Tony Blair in the UK, where Blair booted out the old school economic leftists and suddenly opened the floodgates to cheap foreign labour.
For me, what is significant is the change in the feel of California. During my own eleven-plus years there, from late 1977 to the beginning of 1989, there seemed to me to be no “middle.” On the low end, there was a polyglot, polyracial mass of no real economic vigor; on the high end, there was an affluent white population that was living in what amounted to an enclave. This was in Los Angeles, where I lived first in East Hollywood and then in Brentwood’s lower section, just above Wilshire Boulevard. There seemed to be none of the ordinary, middle sort of American life that had existed in Los Angeles until the Watts riots, I guess. I’m talking about the normal, white, neighborhood life in which the Beach Boys grew up, right there in Los Angeles. I’m talking about the normal, white Los Angeles that you see in “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?” I’m talking about white mailmen and white grocery stores, whites behind the counter in the post office.
Among the things that stick out in my mind from that time are the following:
1 — A young white man with a Southern accident half-whispers to me, a female relative of mine, and a girlfriend of hers, “It’s so good to hear somebody speaking English.” This is on a balmy evening up at Griffith Observatory, where I’ve taken the two young women for the nighttime view of L.A., while they’re visiting me from Pennsylvania.
2 — A friend of mine who writes advertising copy shows me a pair of demographic maps that an Hispanic radio station has provided to an ad agency where he works (or had worked). Intended to show the size of the audience the radio station can reach for advertisers, the maps compare Los Angeles of, maybe, 1960 and 1980. On the older map, Los Angeles is almost completely white. The Hispanic area, in East Lost Angeles, might even be smaller than the black area, in what I took to be Watts. The latter map shows whites in what amounts to an enclave, which consists of the city’s west side and then stretches westward out toward Malibu and parts of the San Fernando Valley–the “white triangle,” as my copywriting friend calls it. The black area hasn’t really changed in size, but all the rest of what had been white is Hispanic.
With the rise of Silicon Valley, the Northern and Southern parts of the state now seem to be the same: an affluent white population that oversees a glamorous industry with a worldwide market lives up against the Ocean, in properties no white mailman can afford; the rest of the state is turning into the third world.
Being well aware how limited my knowledge of this subject is, I realize I could be completely wrong about this, but that’s how it seems to me. Some years ago, at YouTube, I saw a comment below “Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?” The commenter, who, as I recall, was familiar with many of the locations on view in the movie, said something like, “This is L.A. before the onslaught of illegal immigration.” That comment and a few other things, I suppose, are what eventually made me realize that I’d always been bothered, during my California sojourn, by L.A.’s lack of a middle, even while its palm trees, its great cars, and the movie industry–in the “white triangle”–were somehow preserving its mystique.
You guys are just racist scumbags and sad, pathetic internet trolls. Be careful. People of Color and allies will remember your transgressions. You will reap what you sow.Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Anonymous
Looking forward to it! “People of Color” – do you mean strictly the Negro variety (as the term is it’s usually used)? Because with friends like that, who needs enemies? And don’t forget, Yellow is the new White. Or do you think the rising socioeconomic class of Chinese will side with Brownies? Bloody damn unlikely…
Also, the more neoliberal centre left parties become in terms of economic policy, the more liberal they become in terms of immigration policy. I guess this is because once they have some big business and upper middle class support they can ignore the unions who aren't so keen on importing cheap labour.
The most spectacular example of this happened under Tony Blair in the UK, where Blair booted out the old school economic leftists and suddenly opened the floodgates to cheap foreign labour.Replies: @Anonymous
Strangely enough, the Marxist dominated TUC (Trades Unions Congress – the British ALF-CIO, an entity which had governments quaking in their boots in the pre-Thatcher days), never, ever uttered one squeak of protest at New Labour’s massive immigration policy.
Not data, but – think of all the ambitious or just hungry young tech people.
I wish I was 20 years older; then I would of had 20 more years when the country actually worked. I probably got 20 left and I’m not looking forward to how bad it will truly get. The whole damn country will look like Cali; small enclaves of rich whites surrounded by hordes of animals….
I don't even hate Hillary. My Hillary voting sister said she'd respect me more if I was voting Libertarian. I said I'm voting as a U.S. citizen and at least Trump is running as one.Replies: @Kyle, @Pericles
Tell her you could, conversely, respect her more if she voted Jill Stein.
iSteve,
You are spot on about the mass emigration of WASPS out of California in the 1990s. We were part of that emigration. At times, I thought that every White person in California was looking for an exit strategy.
The causes were crime (the “have nots” would pillage and plunder the “have” communities at night); Hispanic and Black gangs with their deadly gang initiations and carjackings moving to the suburbs as the outcome of RICO, especially in Los Angeles; the implosion of the school systems from among the best in the country to among the worst.
The White communities took the Rodney King riots as the new normal and a harbinger of things to come. Recall that certain White communities barricaded themselves with fire trucks and police cars on the main thoroughfares as the Black rioters moved in their directions. Just in case, people I knew pulled their old hunting rifles out of the closet in anticipation of the worst.
The main enabler of the mass emigration was the price of homes in California compared to Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Idaho, elsewhere. You could sell your rancher in California for $700k and buy a mansion out of state with money to spare.
But it’s good for Brazzers and the other porn giants.
So the college educated freak set decided to destroy a man's career by firing him on the spot and probably black balling him behind the scene.
It takes a special class of humorless, over educated thugs and fools to push this insanity - namely upper class whites. This class also provides the managerial and legal bodies that help enforce this insanity.
Fred Reed I think nails it when he thinks we're headed for a French Revolution style blow up and I think the white urban upper middle-class will be the primary targets of peoples rage since they are at the forefront of this Orwellian insanity and often serve as it's enforcers since they provide government workers, managers and lawyers for the system.Replies: @Ed
While I’m not one of these types that believe minorities are natural conservatives blaming them for the social change in terms of sexual issues is preposterous.
You are absolutely correct it’s white urban, educated types that are driving this stuff. The women are at the forefront & the men bring up the rear or act like they’re above it all. Libertarians are good at that one with their, “who are you to judge?” drivel.
In all my many years, I've never heard of anyone I know - in 'recent' years ( the last half century), emigrating permanently to the USA. I presume it's damn high impossible for an 'ordinary' Briton to do so. Actually, these days, I doubt if any (real) Briton would want to do so. Pakistanis, Nigerians, Jamaicans etc in Britain are another story.
However, I do hear about people emigrating to Australia.Replies: @TheJester
I’ve run into a number of White Brits in my world travels over the years who could not even get visas to visit the United States. Then, I learn there are large Haitian, Gambian, Somali, etc., communities in the United States. I currently live in a Washington, DC, suburb. It is an international community with large numbers of immigrants from India and Pakistan.
How did they get here? I scratch my head. Third-world immigration with alien cultures and religions taking priority over immigration from the developed countries of Western Europe?
P.S. I left out mention of Hispanics since, although they are the majority immigrant population in the area, a large percentage of them are illegal … so immigration laws are irrelevant in their case.
That usually kills, right there, the choice of the USA as an emigration destination.
describes your nationality as a ‘British Citizen’
is an ePassport with this internationally recognised symbol on the front cover
and you:haven’t been arrested for certain crimes, even if a criminal conviction didn’t result
aren’t a dual national of Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria
haven’t travelled to Libya, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Syria or Yemen since March 2011
have received authorisation from the Electronic System for Travel Authorisation at least 72 hours before you travel (see below)
can show that you have enough funds available on arrival to support yourself during your stay, even if you’re staying with family and friends.*********************As for immigrating here, which I believe is what the OP was referring to, the same restrictions apply to British citizens as those of any other country. It is indeed difficult for a British national with no special skills, no American spouse and without great wealth to immigrate to the US, just as it would be comparably difficult for an American citizen to reverse the direction. If more Brits don't try, it might be because they don't want to. Why would a British person move to the USA unless they had a specific reason to be here? It's not like we don't have our own share of problems, many not dissimilar to the ones he would be leaving behind in the UK. If you want to start a new life in a different, English-speaking country, both Canada and Australia are better choices. On the other hand, if you have special expertise and an employer willing to sponsor you, it's painful but not difficult. I work for a large university where many of our faculty and researchers are from abroad. The ones from other first-world countries generally have no trouble getting long-term visas, green cards and eventual citizenship if they want it.
Steve,
Thought this would be up your alley re real estate and inequality:
http://www.newgeography.com/content/005367-geographies-inequality
I was speaking with some co-workers yesterday who live in NYC. One of them has a six month old child. They are all married or live with their girlfriends and have household incomes between $200K - $250K when factoring in their salaries and their spouses/girlfriends' salaries.
We got to talking about how expensive it is to live in modern coastal, urban areas today, which effectively meant Blue States, although we didn't use those that term. I was shocked to learn how little my co-workers were saving on a monthly basis. Most of them were putting away $3K - $5K annual in their 401ks. And these are professionals in their 30s making six figures with household incomes of over $200K!
I assume that this is pretty closely related to what is going on in California. Although immigration is by no means the only cause of this, it plays a large role in driving up land values. I think globalism is probably a better catch-all phrase as it encompasses a wider array of factors driving middle class unrest (mass immigration, outsourcing/offshoring (which is now hitting the upper middle class), rising taxes, and global capital flows driving up real estate values). Perhaps once a large part of the millennial generation starts to settle down and start families, they will increasingly realize how things are drastically different from when their parents did the same.Replies: @RadicalCenter
Immigration definitely plays a major role in inflating home prices beyond the reasonable reach of even successful, higher-income Americans.
Here in Los Angeles County and Orange County, California, substantial and growing numbers of super-rich Chinese (and to a lesser extent Indian and Arab) immigrants are snapping up houses and condos both downtown and far into the suburbs, at crazy prices that we can’t keep up with.
We should welcome and encourage foreign investment, including foreigners buying investment properties. But the practice of letting large numbers of Third Worlders settle here as permanent residents and then citizens must stop, even if they are wealthy — for the sake of our ability to afford decent homes, as well as for the preservation / restoration of our common culture, language, way of life, and values.
How did they get here? I scratch my head. Third-world immigration with alien cultures and religions taking priority over immigration from the developed countries of Western Europe?
P.S. I left out mention of Hispanics since, although they are the majority immigrant population in the area, a large percentage of them are illegal ... so immigration laws are irrelevant in their case.Replies: @Anonymous, @avraham, @SteveO
From what I’ve noticed, whenever the subject of possible emigration to the USA is brought up amongst a group of Brits, the phrase ‘but they’ve got no NHS’ (National Health Service) pops up sooner or later.
That usually kills, right there, the choice of the USA as an emigration destination.
Twin Falls Idaho is home to a Chobani I yogurt factory. Chobani employs nothing but Somalian Muslim blacks and Muslim Syrians. Google Twin Falls rape 5 year old girl by 3 Somali boys for information on how the Local government including the lesbian state attorney general has supported the rapists and ignored the girl.
She's lucky she's 5 instead of 15. We're she 15 the local prosecutor would refuse to charge the rapists on the grounds it must have been consensual.
The Lutherans have dumped Somaliabs all over The Dakotas.
But the main attraction is farmers and food processing plants that import Hispanic Indians and somalians.Replies: @Henry Bowman, @RadicalCenter
The two major groups of native-born Americans who COULD do those jobs, need to get off their asses and do them so we don’t “need” to import Mexicans and other third worlders to do them:
1. African-Americans
2. White kids who are lazy and/or simply not taught or expected to work rather than surfing the Net endlessly and “partying” through their teens and twenties (including teenagers and college students in the summers);
for the entire year, we have plenty of lazy, chronically unemployed or underemployed young white people who are studying largely useless subjects in “college” or languishing in low-paying retail / fast-food / customer-service jobs and whining about how the rest of us should pay off the loans they foolishly took out to attend schools they couldn’t afford.
We don’t “need” Third Worlders to do these jobs. Deport the Muslims and Mexicans, change the economic incentives and cultural expectations and have native-born Americans do them, both white and black.
And I’ll bet that Trump narrowly wins the white vote in California while getting absolutely trounced among everyone else.
That “everyone else” in the California electorate includes, in large part, the descendants of people who either came illegally or came legally because we were foolish enough to let them in.
There is a reason why those "Feed The Children" commercials are never shot in Mexico. They can't find enough Mexican children who are skeleton level scrawny with flies all over their faces.Replies: @Das, @Harry Baldwin, @RadicalCenter
If not for his immigration position, I’d be voting for Gary Johnson as I did in 2012. But nothing matters more than this issue, because it determines the composition of the future electorate.
Downeast Maine is my idea of paradise. If only I could get my wife to agree, I’d be retiring there myself in a decade or three. There or Crescent City, CA.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/02/27/opposition-to-immigration-reform-is-a-winning-strategy-for-republicans/
“By any measure, fears of (Illegal) immigration are driving many white Americans to the Republican Party. And, indeed, the Republican strategy on immigration appears to have been successful. Republicans now control the House and the Senate, the governor’s office in 31 states, and two-thirds of the state legislatures. They are winning the political war.”
“An even bigger factor is that the ties of racial and ethnic minorities to the Democratic Party are tenuous. Research by Taeku Lee and myself shows that most Latinos and Asian Americans don’t feel like they fit into either party. In national surveys, those who refuse to answer a question about party identification, those who claim that they do not think in partisan terms, and independents make up the clear majority of both groups. All told, 56 percent of Latinos and 57 percent of Asian-American identify as nonpartisans.
Even among blacks, there are signs of ambivalence. Almost 30 percent of blacks feel
that the Democratic Party does not work hard for black interests.”
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20151016_As_Trump_fades__be_smart_about_immigration.html#disqus_thread
“Most Hispanics aren’t single-issue voters when it comes to immigration. A recent Gallup poll found that among registered Latino voters, 67 percent are at least willing to support a candidate who doesn’t share their views on immigration. And 18 percent don’t consider the issue important at all.
What’s more, many Hispanic citizens have little sympathy for immigrants who haven’t played by the rules. Especially among Latino voters born in the United States, resentment of immigrants who have entered the country illegally can run deep. Forty-two percent of American-born Hispanics disapprove of President Obama’s executive actions to prevent the deportation of illegal immigrants.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/12/no-joke-trump-can-win-plenty-of-latinos.html
Reuben Navarette: No Joke: Trump Can Win Plenty of Latinos
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/connorhoffman/2016/07/18/conservative-hispanic-leaders-poised-to-endorse-trump-n2194143
Conservative Hispanic Leaders Poised To Endorse Trump
Gee, No wonder why I fall into the Proud Independent group.
https://medium.com/@Chris_arnade/trump-politics-and-option-pricing-or-why-trump-voters-are-not-idiots-1e364a4ed940#.jfy2jpxqr
Why Trump Voters Are Not Complete Idiots
We trashed a Wonderland, nobody can fully understand unless you're from here.
POS implants infected our entire body. Now we're dying.
From a commenter on Gawker's "Death Page":
Beach fires, guitars, White Russians. Yeah, it was a thing that got a hard start in the surfing world in Baja Mex during the early 60s.
A handle (1.75L) of Oso Negro vodka cost about 45 cents in Tijuana, a bottle of Kahlua about 50 cents.
So. Tequila just got you too fucked up way too fast and the hangovers were brutal. Same with shitty wine. But you could start the mornings with a White Russian, and the world was good.
State supported heavy hitting major university cost a buck a unit, and used books were basically free. The profs all famous anti-war mojos that were virtually never there... and getting a TA gig was about as cool a thing as there ever was. Oyster = your world.
Bowling was 10 cents a line. Surfing, was free. Life was good. People were good.
Then, there came all of those scuzzy wannabe people from NYC, Chicago, and Detroit, etc... fucked it up for everybody. It’ll never be the same.Replies: @William Badwhite
“Then, there came all of those scuzzy wannabe people from NYC, Chicago, and Detroit, etc…”
You misspelled “Mexico” there Spicoli
How did they get here? I scratch my head. Third-world immigration with alien cultures and religions taking priority over immigration from the developed countries of Western Europe?
P.S. I left out mention of Hispanics since, although they are the majority immigrant population in the area, a large percentage of them are illegal ... so immigration laws are irrelevant in their case.Replies: @Anonymous, @avraham, @SteveO
I also got the idea that there has been a great effort to bring people from 3rd world countries into the USA and to keep out white people. I also ran into a lot of people from first world countries that would have loved to come to the USA but getting any kind of vise was virtually impossible. Someone has been trying hard to change the racial makeup of the USA.
All those White Stanford engineering students I dated 1960 to 1964 were solidly republican from solidly republican families. They kept Santa Clara and San Mateo counties republican for a few years.
But after they built the tech industry known as Silicon Valley they were laid off and never called back.
Most became high school math teachers, the default job for STEM grads. Virtually every private sector employer in Calufornia is totally committed to the elimination of Whites from its work force.
Government and education are the biggest employers and they are even more committed to eliminating Whites.
California, New York and Illinois have 105 electoral votes. California will probably be allocated more and more congress critters after the next census.
As soon as Florida and Texas turn majority non White, there will be a solid bloc of more that 200 solidly democrat electoral college votes.Replies: @Bert, @ScarletNumber, @Jefferson
Congress critter…clever…
It does strike me how things have changed from my boyhood ( North British ). Americans didn't seem to use the term working class. They seemed to prefer the term working man. The middle class seemed pretty homogeneous. You didn't have upper class Americans. They were just called wealthy. There was even the odd billionaire, called Hughes or Rockefeller.
Now Americans are using the full range of British Victorian Class Distinctions. The Victorian era was a period of unprecedented growth, never seen before or since. Whole new classes of person appeared or were massively expanded in numbers. The difference between then and now was that real wages massively increased during the Victorian period for all classes. The Industrial Revolution needed more educated, more skilled, more diligent workers overall.
I don't want to labour the point. But shouldn't tasteful really mean " cultured." There are upper middle class people completely devoid of taste and culture - Tony and Cherie Blair, the Clintons etc.
Being tasteful and cultured, I'm sure you and Mme Sailer, when the time comes to leave California for safer pastures, will ensure that the lights are safely and securely turned off !Replies: @SteveO
Americans have always been shy about direct references to social class, preferring to refer to everyone who is neither Bill Gates nor on welfare as “middle class”. Some naive people may even have believed that to be true. Certainly the myth served to make society feel more homogeneous and give comfort to many in the lower and lower-middle end of the spectrum.
Nevertheless, while you may not have heard this term from afar, “blue collar” was and is a common euphemism for working class, just as “white collar” refers to middle-class people. “Old money” is a euphemism for upper class. “New money” or “nouveau riche” for … well, you get the idea. Those expressions were used all the time, so popular discourse was not quite so free of class references as it might have seemed.
We have always had the full panoply of what you call British Victorian class distinctions, minus the aristocracy. We certainly did have upper-class people and knew them as such. Most people who thought about social class, either because it was their job to do so or because they were naturally so inclined, recognized not only the fact of social class distinctions but also the markers of same. They just didn’t talk about it publicly, outside of scholarly journals or among like-minded friends, for fear of being labeled snobbish.
However, the decline of manufacturing, stagnation of social mobility and loss of hope for many Americans has led to an awakening of class awareness, if not solidarity, among larger groups of the population. Whether this will turn out to be a good thing or not remains to be seen.
Second, the Republican party has veered way to the right on cultural issues in recent decades, more so all the time. There aren't any Bible-thumpers left in most parts of California, and the Christianist grievances that fuel Republican rage in most places aren't here. The Republican Party is by and for Southerners now. The socially tolerant, fiscally conservative wing was killed off by the segregationists a long time ago. The biggest grievance still remaining are our gun control laws, but if you're mad about that there's no reason not to move to Arizona, where they hand out machine guns to any and every rage-addicted mentally incompetent person.
Third, there has been a sorting over the decades where any Californians wary of Hispanic immigration just tend to move. Two generations ago my whole family was in SoCal; now the liberal and leftist third still remain. The rest are in WA, OR, TX, CO, UT, NV, or AZ. Every time they leave they get much more conservative in a hurry.Replies: @Jefferson, @Bill
It may make you feel good to say this, but there is not a particle of truth to it. The Republicans have spent the last few decades racing to the left on social issues just like the Democrats. The most the GOP does is to mumble semi-coherently about abortion and how Murka is really Jesusland every four years. They don’t do anything about it, though. It’s all for show.
Just ~20 years ago Orange County was still one of the most conservative counties in the entire country. That was around the time Loretta Sanchez defeated Bob Dornan for his congressional seat. Orange County also sent illustrious John G. Schmitz to Congress. In 64 it was one of only 18 counties outside of the deep south to vote for Goldwater.
Maybe the mestizos from Oaxaca just need to read the Federalist Papers & they will be Reaganites in no time.Replies: @Former Darfur, @Bill
I miss B-1 Bob. He wasn’t as fun as Jim Trafficant, but he was fun. Congresscritters are so boring these days. The mentally retarded ones are briefly amusing, but stupidity is ultimately boring.
I think US universities are particularly extreme in their role as left wing brainwashers. Here in Britain we do see some of this trend but nowhere to the extent of the US, perhaps the private school system acts as an antidote to the more polite and restrained brainwashing we get.
Of course Olof Palme was a perfectly normal conservative upper class teenager, then he studied in the US for a year and become a devout communist, perhaps his parents should have let him study in the USSR instead. My brother did a PHD in the US and is now very far left, far more so than I would have expected otherwise.
" Despite his background, his political orientation came to be influenced by Social Democratic attitudes. His travels in the Third World, as well as the United States, where he saw deep economic inequality and racial segregation, helped to develop these views."
Does observing economic inequality and racial segregation still make people become commies? I would think not since those are two goals of most modern liberals. I want to be well-off and eat at the best sustainable restaurants, and I assume that my being wealthy means plenty of others aren't by comparison. I also want to live in a nice, clean, safe neighborhood with good schools. This means plenty of white and Asians. These are good things because I'm a good liberal and I yanked out people's yard signs in 2008 for opposing universal love in California.
Do you think Olof Palme would respond to my fluttering eyelashes?
Prior to 1965, and the Teddy Kennedy Act, Asians were more or less forbidden, by law, from both immigrating and settling on US soil, and from naturalization. It really was explicit and racially determined as that. Put simply, Asians were simply not wanted and not accepted by white America.
Now, to many of us, 1965 is not terribly long ago, 'the day before yesterday'. intelligent Asians know and realise that if it wasn't for the Democrats neither they nor their children would ever have had a chance of life on American soil - so by voting Democrat they are merely re-paying a debt, and of course, their is a certain mistrust of Republicans and Republican hidden motives, there.Replies: @DWB
Anon –
your facts may be true, but I think you over-estimate the grasp that newcomers have of history.
Here is a challenge -ask the next 100 people you meet who are Asian, but born outside the US, if they know about the 1965 immigration Act? Even better, ask them which party was responsible for interning Japanese Americans? Who authored the 1952 Act that was repealed? Or, who wrote the Act that permanently embedded Chinese Exclusion?
(Answers: FDR, Democrat; Pat McCarran, Democrat, and Francis Walter, Democrat; Thomas Geary, Democrat)
I would be quite surprised if even half had heard of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, but ask anyways. I used to live in Cupertino, California, and was the ONLY person on my cul de sac who was *not* an Immigrant from China, Taiwan, Singapore, or India. Not one of them knew anything about the 1965 act. I find your argument incredible.
“Intelligent Asians” knowledge of the Democratic party is largely based upon propaganda, at least here in California.
I doubt Lot would disagree that the demographic change is seismic; he was simply pointing out that the change consists of a growth of the non-white population.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Antonymous, @DWB
One thing overlooked here is the effect that the “churn” has had, in addition to the actual disappearance of almost two million white Californians since 1970. (According to the stats I see, from 15 to 13 million).
At least in the urban areas, there are many newcomers who are replacing people who die, or who are forced out because of the extremely high cost of living (what Steve calls the “dirt gap.”)
These people are the BoBos made famous by David Brooks – we live in San Francisco. For a while, my company rented us an apartment down by the ballpark. Our immediate area had many young, single white residents – far whiter I would say, anecdotally, than one would get in a random draw of San Francisco (overall, 49% white according to the 2010 census) – FAR more than half the people I would see walking to the train, or in Safeway, or at restaurants nearby.
These millenials are, if exit polls are to be believed, pretty reliably invested in the globalist cause.
From the most recent data, only 38% of the people in San Francisco were born in California (the only one in our family to qualify is our son). As many (36%) are from a foreign country.
Looking at the data for SF, in 1970, it was a city of 715k residents, 71% of whom were white. In 2010, the population had grown to 805k, with 48.5% white.
Doing the algebra, that means the population of white city residents had fallen from 510k in 1970 to 391k in 2010, a 24% reduction.
So the demographic changes are playing out in sheer numbers as well as by WHO is entering/exiting the state.
Of course Olof Palme was a perfectly normal conservative upper class teenager, then he studied in the US for a year and become a devout communist, perhaps his parents should have let him study in the USSR instead. My brother did a PHD in the US and is now very far left, far more so than I would have expected otherwise.Replies: @stillCARealist
I’d never heard of Olof Palme so I looked him up. Here’s a quote from Wiki,
” Despite his background, his political orientation came to be influenced by Social Democratic attitudes. His travels in the Third World, as well as the United States, where he saw deep economic inequality and racial segregation, helped to develop these views.”
Does observing economic inequality and racial segregation still make people become commies? I would think not since those are two goals of most modern liberals. I want to be well-off and eat at the best sustainable restaurants, and I assume that my being wealthy means plenty of others aren’t by comparison. I also want to live in a nice, clean, safe neighborhood with good schools. This means plenty of white and Asians. These are good things because I’m a good liberal and I yanked out people’s yard signs in 2008 for opposing universal love in California.
Do you think Olof Palme would respond to my fluttering eyelashes?
I do remember the influx of Californians in the 90s, too. Vast numbers were coming in every year. Seemed the LA riots/immigration/gang warfare had something to do with it, and I think a lot of those Californians were indeed moderate Republican middle class types.
Now I'm afraid the latests batch of Californians are going to make Washington a political mirror image of the state they left behind, pushing us ordinary Washingtonians into desperate straits with overregulation, mass influxes of immigrants and militant leftist authoritarianism. So far that's pretty much restricted to the Seattle area, but I'm genuinely worried that they will take the entire state and ruin it like they did their own.Replies: @Alfa158, @Jay Fink, @The Alarmist, @boogerbently
Californians leave CA because they don’t like what it has become.
They leave to be part of their “new” home.
Damn Californians always driving up peoples property values.
How did they get here? I scratch my head. Third-world immigration with alien cultures and religions taking priority over immigration from the developed countries of Western Europe?
P.S. I left out mention of Hispanics since, although they are the majority immigrant population in the area, a large percentage of them are illegal ... so immigration laws are irrelevant in their case.Replies: @Anonymous, @avraham, @SteveO
Really? Who were they and what did they do to be barred from short-term travel to the US?
It is dead easy for a Brit to get into the US as a tourist if he is not a criminal, a dual citizen of a terrorist state or a deadbeat. I quote from the USA page of the Foreign Travel Advice section at gov.uk:
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The VWP [Visa Waiver Program] allows most British Citizen passport holders to visit the US for up to 90 days. The types of journey allowed under the VWP include tourism, certain types of business visit and transit to another country.
You’ll generally qualify to enter the USA using the VWP if your British passport:
describes your nationality as a ‘British Citizen’
is an ePassport with this internationally recognised symbol on the front cover
and you:
haven’t been arrested for certain crimes, even if a criminal conviction didn’t result
aren’t a dual national of Iran, Iraq, Sudan or Syria
haven’t travelled to Libya, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, Syria or Yemen since March 2011
have received authorisation from the Electronic System for Travel Authorisation at least 72 hours before you travel (see below)
can show that you have enough funds available on arrival to support yourself during your stay, even if you’re staying with family and friends.
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As for immigrating here, which I believe is what the OP was referring to, the same restrictions apply to British citizens as those of any other country. It is indeed difficult for a British national with no special skills, no American spouse and without great wealth to immigrate to the US, just as it would be comparably difficult for an American citizen to reverse the direction. If more Brits don’t try, it might be because they don’t want to. Why would a British person move to the USA unless they had a specific reason to be here? It’s not like we don’t have our own share of problems, many not dissimilar to the ones he would be leaving behind in the UK. If you want to start a new life in a different, English-speaking country, both Canada and Australia are better choices.
On the other hand, if you have special expertise and an employer willing to sponsor you, it’s painful but not difficult. I work for a large university where many of our faculty and researchers are from abroad. The ones from other first-world countries generally have no trouble getting long-term visas, green cards and eventual citizenship if they want it.
At least in the urban areas, there are many newcomers who are replacing people who die, or who are forced out because of the extremely high cost of living (what Steve calls the "dirt gap.")
These people are the BoBos made famous by David Brooks - we live in San Francisco. For a while, my company rented us an apartment down by the ballpark. Our immediate area had many young, single white residents - far whiter I would say, anecdotally, than one would get in a random draw of San Francisco (overall, 49% white according to the 2010 census) - FAR more than half the people I would see walking to the train, or in Safeway, or at restaurants nearby.
These millenials are, if exit polls are to be believed, pretty reliably invested in the globalist cause.
From the most recent data, only 38% of the people in San Francisco were born in California (the only one in our family to qualify is our son). As many (36%) are from a foreign country.
Looking at the data for SF, in 1970, it was a city of 715k residents, 71% of whom were white. In 2010, the population had grown to 805k, with 48.5% white.
Doing the algebra, that means the population of white city residents had fallen from 510k in 1970 to 391k in 2010, a 24% reduction.
So the demographic changes are playing out in sheer numbers as well as by WHO is entering/exiting the state.Replies: @John Bonaccorsi, Philadelphia
I have no trouble believing that the “churn” has steadily BoBo-ized the Bay Area and is maybe still BoBo-izing it (if it can be any more BoBo-ized than it already is). I wonder whether non-BoBos in the silicon world keep a low profile.
Contrary to stereotype, California whites are not particularly liberal or democratic. Non-hispanic whites are about 38% of the population. Romney's share of the 2-party vote in California was 38.1%. That over-simplifies things since actual California voters are more like 60-65% non-hispanic whites depending on the election. But it is hard to believe that the GOP does not generally receive a large majority of the white vote in the state.Replies: @rod1963, @Jefferson, @ATBOTL
Non Hispanic whites like Arabs, Jews, Persian and Armenians have to be a large chunk of that 38% at this point.
Because they see the world as black and white. No grey for them.
your facts may be true, but I think you over-estimate the grasp that newcomers have of history.
Here is a challenge -ask the next 100 people you meet who are Asian, but born outside the US, if they know about the 1965 immigration Act? Even better, ask them which party was responsible for interning Japanese Americans? Who authored the 1952 Act that was repealed? Or, who wrote the Act that permanently embedded Chinese Exclusion?
(Answers: FDR, Democrat; Pat McCarran, Democrat, and Francis Walter, Democrat; Thomas Geary, Democrat)
I would be quite surprised if even half had heard of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act, but ask anyways. I used to live in Cupertino, California, and was the ONLY person on my cul de sac who was *not* an Immigrant from China, Taiwan, Singapore, or India. Not one of them knew anything about the 1965 act. I find your argument incredible.
"Intelligent Asians" knowledge of the Democratic party is largely based upon propaganda, at least here in California.Replies: @Antonymous
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Republican party largely seen as an embarrassing, retrograde, “stupid” party among (east) Asians? The more Clinton associates with BLM and other fringe groups, the less intellectual cache Democrats should have.
BLM isn’t a fringe group so far as “polite” society is concerned: the MSM apologizes and covers for it the same was it does for every NAM apparatus. Asians have no grasp whatsoever of the magnitude of danger BLM and NAMs in general pose.
All those White Stanford engineering students I dated 1960 to 1964 were solidly republican from solidly republican families. They kept Santa Clara and San Mateo counties republican for a few years.
But after they built the tech industry known as Silicon Valley they were laid off and never called back.
Most became high school math teachers, the default job for STEM grads. Virtually every private sector employer in Calufornia is totally committed to the elimination of Whites from its work force.
Government and education are the biggest employers and they are even more committed to eliminating Whites.
California, New York and Illinois have 105 electoral votes. California will probably be allocated more and more congress critters after the next census.
As soon as Florida and Texas turn majority non White, there will be a solid bloc of more that 200 solidly democrat electoral college votes.Replies: @Bert, @ScarletNumber, @Jefferson
“As soon as Florida and Texas turn majority non White,”
Florida does not have to turn minority White in order to turn into a blue state, majority White Florida is already a blue state.
Donald Trump is going to lose Florida just like Mitt Romney and John McCain did. It is going to be 3 presidential elections in a row where Florida does not vote for The Republican candidate.
You can thank Puerto Ricans for why no Republican presidential candidate will ever be able to win Florida again. Puerto Ricans vote Democrat at a rate between 80%-85%.
It also doesn’t help that White Floridians do not vote for The GOP at anywhere near the high rate that Boricuas vote for The DNC. White Floridians do not vote like a racial bloc. White support for Donald Trump in Florida is only in the pathetic 50s.
That "everyone else" in the California electorate includes, in large part, the descendants of people who either came illegally or came legally because we were foolish enough to let them in.Replies: @Jefferson
“And I’ll bet that Trump narrowly wins the white vote in California while getting absolutely trounced among everyone else.”
John McCain lost the White California vote in 2008 and so will Donald Trump.
Donald Trump polls the strongest with Evangelicals and not a lot of Whites in California are Evangelical. California Whites are one of the least religious demographics in the nation.
Donald Trump and The GOP do not fare very well with White voters who do not believe in God.
The Democratic Party has the Godless White vote on lockdown.
Even Gavin McInnes admits he has become a Conservative after going from being an Atheist to a Catholic. He was a Liberal when he was an Atheist.
You never hear the opposite, a White person becoming less Liberal and more Conservative after abandoning Christianity and becoming an Atheist.
A lot of Steve Sailer’s groupies here on The Unz underestimate the danger that Atheism is to the White race. Atheism creates more White Left Wingers, not more White Right Wingers. Atheism creates more childless Whites, it creates more White cat ladies.
Look at The Duggars they have 21 kids and they are hardcore bible thumping Christians.
Good luck trying to find a White Atheist version of The Duggars.
Whites who breed like cockroaches strongly believe in a God and an afterlife.