It’s sad to hear of Judith Durham’s passing.

The images of the crowd, the supporting orchestra, and the uniformed servicemen (behind the orchestra) from this outdoor concert (in Australia?) paint a picture of a society that was common in most Western countries at the time, and far more civilized than what currently prevails in Western countries now.

The fact that Sam Smith is “non-binary” is not coincidental in this instance of open, corporate-sponsored Satanism.

One wonders what can be done to combat this. Christianity is completely castrated. And an atheist approach is probably doomed to fail. I will suggest that Islam might be the only realistic solution, despite how much as this suggestion may trigger lots of people.

I used to think that the guy who runs the site Vigilant Citizen was a little nuts. He’s always on about satanic elites and how they use the entertainment and fashion “industries” for public occult rituals.

Now, I’m not so sure he is nuts:

https://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-2023-grammys-host-of-the-sam-smith-satanic-ritual/

The Grammys clearly no longer have anything to do with actual music.

Off-topic.

Sailer is better than anyone at pulling up monsters from the deep seabottom of woke, but I think I might best him with this entry.

https://emergencemagazine.org/essay/creatures-that-dont-conform/

Slime mold. “We need to know them,” according to aspiring litterateur, Lucy Jones:

Our rational, materialistic worldview obscures transcendence and awe. Our culture of forgetting, rejecting, ignoring the wider world requires some work, some assistance, to undo.

How do we see the world as sacred again?…How to venerate the world? More and more, I think a solution is awe. As Dacher Keltner’s work shows, awe seems to orient us to things outside of our individual selves. It suggests our true nature is collective. Studying narratives of awe in cultures across the world, Keltner and colleagues found that a common part of natural awe is the sense that plants and animals are conscious and aware….

Margaret Price’s poem “Slime Molds Have Eleven Sexes” was published in The Gay & Lesbian Review in 2003. “Beyond the binary, not hung up,” it goes; “and probably wearing tiny berets.” Which some of the Physarum absolutely do. That we now believe, only twenty years later, that slime molds actually have 720 sexes illustrates how we are still on the frontier of myxomycetes discovery.

Price first learned about slime molds in 1995 at the University of Michigan in a class called “Behavioral Biology of Women,” taught by the anthropologist Barbara Smuts. She was twenty-five at the time, had grown up in a “mostly male, extremely sexist environment,” and was struggling to come out as queer and as genderqueer. “I never forgot that same-sex relationships and diverse sexes were not deviant,” she wrote to me. “They are in fact normal across many species.”…

On a slime mold group online, we discuss collective nouns. A glitter ball of slime molds, someone suggests. An orgy, a ghostbuster, an overthrow, a slitheration, a slimmering….

Slime molds have things to teach us. That a being can change but at the same time remain itselves—to use Octavia Butler’s phrase. That there is life and beauty in rot, in decay, in decomposition, in the ashes. That a hallmark of life is evanescence and ephemerality. That our limited, Romantic understanding of the world—“ew, slime”—is outdated. That nonhierarchical, nonbinary being is part of the reality of the world.

Lucy Jones also wrote a book on foxes in Britain. She sounds like one of those ladies that Aunt Agatha is so often trying to foist on poor Bertie Wooster.

Can anybody here, and I’m guessing there’s more than one sperg here with perfect pitch, hum for me a single bar of music by this ostensible goddess? Makes me miss Left Eye, but here’s where we are.

Meantime it could get some those ways and then it could be that way. And then it could be for it could be for it is. It could be Frankie it could be a balloon it could be very fresh and clean. It could be Frankie. It could get some wind for the sailboat. And it could get for it is. It could get the railrod for these workers, It could get some gasoline. Shortest way. All these are the days my friends and these are my days my friends.

It could be Frankie.

Wilson/Knowles/Glass/Insanity

Marjorie Taylor Greene

Great to see the Republicans preparing to self destruct for yet another election cycle. The logic appears to be: “The Democrats are insane! Therefore, we must be insane too, if we want to beat them this time!”

It worked with Trump in 2020, right? I’m praying she chooses George Santos as her running mate. The debates will be exquisite.

Back in the Before-Time, when Beyonce was but one of Destiny’s Children and Comedy Channel had actual comedy, Lewis Black pantomimed a DC performance. It went something like: “Titty titty shake shake titty shake shake titty titty.” I think it was pretty accurate then, as now.

Lucy Jones also wrote a book on foxes in Britain. She sounds like one of those ladies that Aunt Agatha is so often trying to foist on poor Bertie Wooster.

Outstanding!

She sounds like one of those ladies that Aunt Agatha is so often trying to foist on poor Bertie Wooster.

Very nice.

One of the small consolations of life as a noticer in The Current Year is being able to perceive how the wokest, most progressive, coolest ladies of today are the equivalent of — and indeed are in the same lineage as — the nosiest, most puritanical, and bossiest bluestockings from days of yore.

I don’t know who Beyonce is (I also willed myself to unlearn of Lady Gaga’s existence) so here’s that reporter getting arrested at the press conference for the Ohio environmental disaster which Joseph Biden caused by busting a rail worker strike. Funnily enough, he’s black. You’da thunk the national media would be interested in a black man who did literally nothing wrong getting manhandled and put on the floor by white men.

Precision Scheduled Railroading, cargo tracked by car and not by train, three mile long trains, rail workers on call 24/7 with no calling in sick, and now forty pounds of a WWI chemical weapon in the skies and waters of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

I played this throughout 2020 when NZ was the Hermit Kingdom.

We can dream!

I always thought her husband looks like a young Dwight Gooden should have looked like at 53 if he didn’t mess himself up with drugs.

Anyway, I think Steve is being unfair here. This isn’t a case like Lebron James where you could conceivably awarded him the MVP every year but since he has won 4 of them the award has been for the best player besides Lebron for the last 9 seasons. Beyoncé (and Destiny’s Child) has never won Album of the Year nor Record of the Year at the Grammys despite being nominated 5 times for the former and 8 times for the latter. This is more like Susan Lucci losing 18 times for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series at the Dayime Emmys (although she finally won on her 19th try).

For those who wish to read the original in its entirety, here it is, although I’m unsure why Steve used the [sic] indicator.

https://archive.is/HuY4I

These people are trolling you. You should ignore them.

I suspect if her husband wasn’t Jay-Z, she would have faded already. Like one of those rock acts that had a hit or three, you hear they’re touring with a new album to support. And you think, “Those guys are still around”?

She was born Judith Cock, but when she went into show business she decided to use her mother’s maiden name of Durham. In a similar vein, Pete LaCock was a baseball player who kept his name, but his father was Ralph Pierre LaCock, who was better known as

That’s true for all popular culture. And it is normal.

Very few, due to different circumstances, survive their age as a cultural influence. Agatha Christie, The Beatles, ….

Actually, most average people don’t know about Hitchcock, Woody Allen, …, Bing Crosby, Sinatra, Led Zeppelin, ELP, ZZ Top,..

I guess that Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes would have been completely forgotten without TV shows & movies galore.

Perfectly natural.

Having never heard it, I forced myself to listen to some of Renaissance. Every song appears to be “what a sassy black bitch I am” to a club beat. I found it hard to listen to and musically unsophisticated. It’s just a generic dance mix carried by her vocals and Beyoncé’s name. I would be surprised if anyone honestly thinks this should win a best album award outside of race hustling or marketing reasons. I thought her older stuff was way better.

I noticed there’s 25 different writers credited for one song- often the number is eight or ten.

Whatever abilities she has a performer, Beyoncé is very much a product of a corporate machine as a lot of these black artists are.

This machine that serves us black music is a massive industry which has a considerable cultural influence, most importantly from my perspective, on whites.

This influence is overwhelmingly negative politically as it confuses whites a lot in their attitudes to blacks.

According to wikipedia the term ‘bootylicious’ was added to the OED in 2006 and I can see it’s on other dictionary sites. That was 2006. Things are unlikely to get better on the current trajectory.

“He will call back. He will call back.” Don’t break, Madonna, be strong. It’s just part of their test.

Thanks.

Oh, real news.

Very fine and well.

But what does it have to do with proving blacks inferior?

From what I can tell, although the Golden Globes and Oscars can be popularity contests there is overall still an effort to recognize excellence – in contrast, the Grammy’s are largely just rewarding popularity. It’s entirely possible Beyonce made a better album than a guy who sings about water melon sugar, and she does have an army of producers that work on everything she does so I’m sure the quality of production is very high.

But as another commenter noted, how many songs can the average person recognize by Beyonce? I remember that “Single Ladies” song are that’s really about it – I don’t think she has any timeless standards like many of the black women who came before her.

I noticed there’s 25 different writers credited for one song- often the number is eight or ten.

Whatever abilities she has a performer, Beyoncé is very much a product of a corporate machine as a lot of these black artists are.

I’ve noticed that too. Many of these songs are written by ten or twelve people. Music by committee.

I’d say Beyoncé’s white musical soul mate is Tiny Tim.

Tim had good taste in songs. Better than anyone in the business today. If you don’t like his style, a more normal equivalent would be Ian Whitcomb.

Looks like she’s showing off her plastic surgery.

The field is improving its product; still dips into the uncanny valley.

Will the ghost of Emmitt Till ever leave us be?!

I like to hope Christianity can un-castrate itself, along with other bulwarks of civilization: fraternal groups; community service organizations; extended families; where’s the PTA when you need it?

Otherwise, Islam doesn’t need to solve anything. It will just come in after we’ve gone extinct with sterile drug addicts and feral morons who either kill each other or starve to death.

This machine that serves us black music is a massive industry which has a considerable cultural influence, most importantly from my perspective, on whites.

But Single Ladies makes a good bluegrass tune.

Yeah, initially big acts become a brand name with a support group to keep tugging them along.

Beyonce gets the sweet spot of Black lady that-must-be-kept-on-top.

Pop music stars are much like professional athletes in that they usually peak early.

That’s true, but it’s for different reasons. Pop stars peak early because what makes you a star is some kind of original thing all your own. If that original thing makes you a star at age 20, then at 30 you’ll seem less original even if your own powers are undiminished.

Classical music stars are more like pro athletes because their greatness is in their execution of someone else’s originality (say, Mozart’s). In both cases, these performers’ stardom lasts as long as their physical gifts.

Maybe a few baseball pitchers (Fernando Valenzuela?) do rely on an innovation of their own devising.

Kennedy, huh. That was me in 1968. I was fooling around with my friends in someone’s backyard when his mom came out the back door and said, in tears, “Kennedy’s been shot.” And I said, “I already know that, it was years ago!”

I’m generation X and Led Zeppelin barely registered on my young radar. I knew about Sinatra, the Beatles and the Supremes alright. Though Queen, David Bowie and Pink Floyd were still relevant in the 80’s. Not Zeppelin, unless you were a metalhead. I was more into New Wave and I always despised the heavy metal aesthetics. It was more proletarian. I found AC/DC , Van Halen, Guns and Roses pedestrian though looking back their music has aged better than New wave/ Synth Pop. Well, maybe not Hair Metal.

Maybe we could find a way to sew some balls back onto Christianity. It did have a tradition of militancy, once upon a time.

Helena: I feel I detect
A blot on your soul that’s suspect:
Writing “whiplash” does trigger
A hurt even bigger
Than “field”, which I also reject.

In real music news, Mr Angie Dickinson has passed away:

https://www.smoothradio.com/news/music/burt-bacharach-death-tributes/

https://www.goldradiouk.com/news/music/burt-bacharach-death-tributes/

He was born in Kansas City, of all places, though he grew up in NYC. His father Bert was the original Home Improvement guy:

Mark Bertram “Bert” Bacharach

The son might not even be KCMO’s most noted (nominally) Jewish composer. I’d read that either Richard Rodgers or Harold Arlen spent some time there in his youth, but couldn’t confirm it. Rodgers wrote a song about Kansas City:

…and Arlen a whole musical about a girl from Kansas, which has her own Kansas City:

It was fun to cross the street from one Kansas City to the other, in the celebrated Westport neighborhood.

Helena Andrews is an author, pop culture critic, and journalist at The Washington Post. Her first book, Bitch is the New Black, was published by HarperCollins in June 2010. Bitch is the New Black is a collection of essays chronicling her experiences as a single black female in Washington, D.C. — Wikipedia

The next day, a classmate told me he saw the news clips, and suspected the shooter was Puerto Rican. Not a bad guess, actually. Another one of those in-between, crossroads races.

Tell me you can’t imagine someone with a face like this singing “Feliz Navidad”:

Or a face like this blowing up a commuter train:

Remember, the Saracens occupied Iberia for seven centuries. The holiest city on the peninsula, or at least the most recent holy city, is named for a girl who herself was named for a daughter of Mohammed. There is a lot of desert blood left in “Hispanics”.

I used to think Beyonce’s songs were ironically ambiguous. You know, songs where the singer professes to be strong, but with music and lyrics that make you wonder if it’s true. It’s a very common song form in country music and, less often, rock.

Now I think neither Beyonce nor her audience are capable of understanding this sort of complexity. There’s no subtext to Beyonce; there’s barely any text.

My comment below Judy’s smiling face was meant as a reply to this one. Sorry for the confusion, everyone. I hit the wrong button.

Links left thereoutof:

https://www.britannica.com/place/Fatima

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_(given_name)

The camera panned briefly to Taylor Swift applauding and smiling as Beyonce accepted. No hard feelings.

This tribal clownishness is getting good. Seriously, I think Beyoncé and JZ could make a billion dollars touring Africa.

Interesting thought.

While I have no real facts at hand, I’m under the impression that most black music acts don’t tour Africa much (or White ones) and aren’t particularly huge there. African nations, many of which mainly speak local languages, have their own local musicians and favorites.

Most American blacks are far “whiter” than most African blacks and I don’t think they emulate most American black musicians or acts.

For all of the not so subtle Hate Whitey popular culture, not many pop culture figures go to Africa or do much there. Maybe S. Africa and Kenya. Too far, not easy to do, expensive and corrupt, audiences not brimming with too much spendable cash. (Jewish music promoters not too comfortable there either, many Muslim Africans.)

Africans tend to be more culturally conservative and even Christian, in many places. Sure some imitate American rappers but being violent and stupid isn’t a winning formula there.

There used to be a 60s TV clip of Cilla Black on Youtube, and the description commented on Cilla’s flat-chestedness, comparing it unfavourably with the splendid fullness of Judith Durham.

“Hey there, slimey girl,
there’s another slime mold deep inside.
Bring out all the rot you hide,
and oh, what a change there’d be …”

It doesn’t seem to occur to that Washington Post writer that even if Beyonce’s earlier albums were good, her latest one might not have been.

But we expect our elites to keep up with who’s who; to maintain a classical education; to have a touchstone of knowledge with which to compare today to yesterday.

Concerning that our journalists and such are incurious; e.g. TN Coates didn’t know St. Augustine, and it didn’t phase him.

I went to the window and wanted to draw the Earth.

I feel the earth move under my feet.
I feel the tumbling down tumbling down.
I feel some ostriches are like into a satchel.
Some like them.

I feel the earth move. carole king.

“Beyoncé only tours every 7-8 years or so. It is amazing how she keeps her black female slaves in line, enthralled, whipped and ever worshiping her transmogrified blondness.”

The shame of it is not all her female slaves are black.

I knew who Beyonce was but by the grace of God, hadn’t heard her. So I found this 2011 video on YouTube. I was horrified on several levels. (Note the number of clueless white females in the audience.)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=D9BaJVbgRsY&feature=shares

“This tribal clownishness is getting good. Seriously, I think Beyoncé and JZ could make a billion dollars touring Africa.”

The video posted above wouldn’t have been out of place at Jacob Zuma’s wedding festivities.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VYnyk98iqCQ&feature=shares

Anyone using good and Beyonce in the same sentence needs to hand in their man card. That “Single Ladies” song is far and away the biggest pile of auditory shit ever committed on the ears of humans.

Pop music stars are much like professional athletes in that they usually peak early.

Pop music is inherently “of a time”. But still you’d hope some of it would be good, have some universal appeal.

In fairness to Beyonce, i listened to the “hit”–“As It Was”–from the winning album of this Harry Styles guy–who I’d maybe just barely, or maybe not–heard of. It’s boring. Not “unlistenable”, just boing. It sounds like most of what I’ve heard when subjected to pop music the last couple decades. Nothing “catchy” about the music. “Lyrics” that I often can’t make out, and when I do are empty or boring or emotionally uninteresting/flat. (Don’t Millenials enjoy life? Have any interesting experiences and emotions?) (Plus the guy has ugly tats–yuck.)

At least with Country, I can understand what the heck it’s about. Some guy singing “buy dirt”, I can figure out that his grandfather is giving him advice on what’s important in life–finding a good gal and building a family with her. (Which I happen to agree with.)

Recent decades just seems to be a nadir, a desert, for pop music. I can think of maybe 50-100 1960s pop hits, that I could imagine people still listening to or bands covering in the 2060s–e.g. “A Summer’s Place” theme, “You Lost that Loving Feeling”, “Sitting on the Dock of the Bay”, “My Girl”, “Strangers in the Night”, someone mentioned Burt Bacharach, “Alfie”, “I’ll Never Fall In Love Again”, “Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head”. Is there anything–anything at all?–from the last decade that people would even plausibly want to play in 2120?

Why do these Black Pride Beyoncé types try so hard (in their own trashy way) to look Scandinavian?

Aren’t they validating Hitler?

Perspective [sic]

lol

I wrote a blog post with that song saying the same, Voltarde.

Now, you go forward about one decade downunder, and you come upon this one. Australia was still highly White and still free.

This one’s a little more high energy, and without the green silk dress and the suits and ties.

Ian Whitcomb was a serious scholar of early 20th century popular music. He died recently, but if you like his work, try listening to his friend Janet Klein.

-Discard

Middle aged Washington Post SWPL yuppies listening to Beyonce:

“It doesn’t sound like crap at all! I think it’s awesome.”

I would go back farther than a decade and less than 100 years going forward. Within 60-70 years virtually no pop music released in the last 30 years will have any audience at all. There’s is no evidence of this trend changing any time soon either.

Agree – there are different African genres/acts that are interesting in their own right, and I also read that country music is pretty popular in parts of Africa. Tinariwen and Vieux Farka Toure have a country/blues sort of vibe that is fun sometimes, although I have no clue what they are singing about.

Based on my experience with African immigrants in the US, they find black American culture and tastes very foreign so I wouldn’t be surprised if Beyonce isn’t as popular with Africans as people would think. Also, there is no way she could charge the ticket prices in 3rd world countries that justify the time and expense of her touring there as well.

I have never heard more than a seconds long snippet of any of her music. I don’t get her incredible popularity a’tall!

My unpopular opinion is that women with plastic surgery look a lot better than women who age naturally. Where I live now plastic surgery is frowned upon and women in their 50s look like grannies in their 70s.

Madonna has a forehead like a sheboon, pretty soon she’ll be doing the spit curl thing.

Most if not all of the guitar players in the moderately successful rock bands you’ve occasionally heard of the last 50 years have more musical talent and understanding than Be on say.

“This is even true of Beyonce. She is up into her forties now. Her popularity has actually held up much better than most other musical artists who became famous a couple decades ago, but she is not immune to that process of the fading star being replaced by up-and-coming strivers. ”

Unless she is being artificially propped up by the industry, which she always has been.

WARNING! WARNING!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON!! WARNING DANGER!!! ***DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!*** ROBOT COMMANDS YOU TO STAY THE F#CK AWAAAAAYYYYY!!!*****

This is like one of the prime examples of how NOT TO DO THINGS!! DO **NOT** DO THIS, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, EVEN AT GUNPOINT!! DANGER!! DAAAANGER!!! WARNING!!!!

I’m going to hunt this man down, and then we’ll do us a crossword puzzle.

But we expect our elites to keep up with who’s who; to maintain a classical education; to have a touchstone of knowledge with which to compare today to yesterday. Concerning that our journalists and such are incurious; e.g. TN Coates didn’t know St. Augustine, and it didn’t phase him.

Totally applaud this. Except it’s “faze him.”

What the West needs desperately is a religious revolution in the same way we had a scientific revolution–a complete paradigm shift. And that means a complete reimagining of God.

No real God is going to demand the shedding of innocent blood. No real God is going to get angry, nor demand worship, nor act vengefully, nor mimic any other human characteristic. No real God makes fish swallow people then vomit them up alive three days later. No magic books contain the infallible unchangeable “word of God.” God doesn’t care about your bank account or whether it will rain tomorrow. God doesn’t exist in the realm of football games and cancer treatments, so “praying” that he change their outcomes in your favor is silly. No real God is going to have a “chosen people” and if he did, he certainly wouldn’t command them to genocide everyone else. And just because we don’t understand how the universe got here doesn’t mean God did it.

God exists in the realm of religion only, which means God is concerned with how we treat one another, and that’s it. So maybe God is love, Jesus was divine, and and therein lies the key to saving our civilization.

It is godly to love your parents more than a sports star, teacher, or politician, to love your own children more than children in Africa, to love your brothers more than those unrelated to you (which doesn’t mean you have to hate anyone else) and to love your spouse most of all. It may not always be possible, but that’s how God acts through us in the world.

So keep the the cathedrals, Christmas, and Bach, but throw out the rest of it, especially the old testament.

Indeed, sir.

Beyonce was the strong black imaginary best friend to every young woman starting down the lost highway

And not entirely black, truth to be told.

I once checked the credits for a Beyonce album and it certainly resembled the allied order of battle for Operation Overlord.

This is partly because her output is very much dominated by vast unwieldy committees of writers, producers, engineers. But also any use of samples requires that the credited creators of the original source material also be credited on her dreck.

60 years from now Tyler Spencer will be considered the greatest singer-songwriter of 21st century. Maybe ever.

And true diversity on the streets – an eclectic mix of cars and trucks including many UK and US pattern vehicles.

I was wondering: Did *any* “mainstream” outlet- MSM, Conservative Inc., etc.- ever mention, then or subsequently, the racial angle there, i.e. the obvious fact that both Kanye (very much) and Beyonce (sorta) are black?

To ask is to answer.

Whatever. I’m not into this “anything black is amazing” woke crap, but Beyonce is – not bad.

We are being invaded by the surplus population of the third world, we are being crushed into paste – Beyonce, at least, is not my enemy. I just don’t care.

Of course Angie was married to Mr. Dickinson first, which is how she got her name. But yes her second marriage to Bert Bacharach was the longer lasting of her two. I’m surprised she never officially got together with Johnny Carson, as there was palpable chemistry between the two.

Angie is still alive at 91. Their daughter Nikki committed suicide at 41.

She’s as nutty as Sinead.

Most American blacks are far “whiter” than most African blacks and I don’t think they emulate most American black musicians or acts.

The other way round, one could say black music, ‘American black music’, all black music is ultimately African music.

Beyoncé’s signature dance move – the booty shake thing..I’m very sure you’ll find something identical in African tribal dance. Perhaps a genetic imprint. Although I doubt she thinks of it like that.

Very cool. Music can also be adapted in different ways if there’s something there. The Single Ladies track I was only just aware of at the time it came out. It was a very girly track, and although not something I would seek out to listen to myself I thought it was well done from what I saw and heard.

Honestly, I quite like some of Beyoncé’s other earlier stuff in its context, understanding it’s a slick product developed by many people. But there was some good production and ideas around her.

But I don’t want to live in a world surrounded by Beyoncés.

As much as we are increasingly being forced into this world, and black music has been a significant factor in softening us up for that, it is a real problem in that sense.

A ‘bread and circus’ type article for the incel yts that Steve Sailor excels in writing.

Oh dear. This is destined not to end well.

“Some people apparently take this stuff seriously. Probably not many Unz readers.”

You got that right. I have neither heard nor seen this woman sing so much as a note, nor am I interested in doing so. Evidently, she appeals to a certain segment of the population–and would assume that includes what iSteve calls “The Fringes.” Definitely not to mine.

For years i had to hear how ‘beautiful’ that fat ass Beyonce was when i could find better looking girls working behind the counter at my local rite aid, talk about negro worship, i’ve had enough thank you.

Unless she is being artificially propped up by the industry, which she always has been.

Some contend that it was Frank Sinatra’s being promoted by the mob that accounts for his eclipsing the more dynamic, versatile and soulful Bing Crosby.
(Not to suggest any comparison between Sinatra and Beyonce.)
~ ~ ~
No mention of “Song of the Year” for Bonnie Raitt’s Just Like That?

Let 3rd world trash invade your country turn in to 3rd world trash!

Just wanted to follow up on this thread as I realize I’ve been a bit out of the loop here.

I hadn’t actually realized how militant, plastic and bad Beyoncé’s stuff had become.

Beyoncé music I’m familiar with is really quite old. Knowing this now, it looks like she took a particular turn musically not that long after she became a solo artist, maybe a few years afterwards. The stuff that was working for her got replaced with something else entirely.

(I even had a look at the mentioned Single Ladies, and decided I don’t think much of it at all on reflection. It’s jangly, disturbingly dissonant and childish. The version posted by Sam is a distinct improvement. )

Then what seems to have happened in the last 5-10 years is her brand became an expression of afro-feminism and even anti-white black grievance when I wasn’t looking. It went super negro and political. I’m sure it’s just a strange coincidence that all major corporations celeberate these anti white perspectives. Honestly I didn’t know that happened.

So I see now Beyoncé collapsed musically some time ago, meaning today sales have to be targeted at the least sensitive audiences. Then it all has it be propped up with fake rave reviews and endless awards and that’s what we’re looking at here.

I suspect these music awards for Beyoncé are for doing a bad job. For pushing the message power wants to push and for releasing more garbage music. The one good thing is it turns a lot of white people off when they see this and gets them to think about themselves a bit…

Who is this “Grammy” person?

Grammar’s not yer grandma it’s yer grammar.

The other way round, one could say black music, ‘American black music’, all black music is ultimately African music.

African pop music often has a decidedly European street café vibe. Check out the well-curated Third World selections from Putomayo:

https://www.putumayo.com/music

They do actual European stuff, too:

She was born Judith Cock

If only she had met and married Tim Allen (Real name Timothy Alan Dick)…

I’m a bit lost. Putumayo is a Latin American thing, right ? But I can imagine Africans presenting non-African music essentially. I notice Putumayo uses the term ‘world music’ just as we do to describe an outside ethnic musical influence.

For years i had to hear how ‘beautiful’ that fat ass Beyonce was when i could find better looking girls working behind the counter at my local rite aid, talk about negro worship, i’ve had enough thank you.

Worse was being lectured on fitness by Michelle Obama. Taking fitness advice from a woman with an ass three feet across. No thanks.

To the best of my knowledge I’ve never heard Beyonce’s music. Similarly, I couldn’t pick her out of a line up.

Game shows in the US fall into two camps.
Jeopardy where for 80% of the questions I feel a slight sense of shame if I don’t know the answer and the rest where I feel a real sense of shame if I do,

I suspect this woman(?) would fall into the latter camp.

If only she had met and married Tim Allen (Real name Timothy Alan Dick)…

Paul Revere of the Raiders was also a Dick. His “maiden name”, so to speak.

“World music” is an inaccurate and misleading term. These genres, though influenced by outsiders, belong to the peoples that produced them. It is place music. They are, to use Bill Kauffman’s term, placists.

Good spelling, redneck

It’s hard to tell what I’m supposed to be looking at on the site, but I’m assuming somewhere buried in there are a few black Africans either dj’ing non-African music or performing in non-African music styles.

The pictures you posted appear to depict white people which is confusing.

As it’s hard to know what I’m looking at on your link I did a random search for African pop music to try to understand this better.

You sound like you know much more than me about this topic but what comes up is Yemi Alade, Zamajobe, Ruff n Smooth, Mafikizolo, Burna Boy (Grammy winner for world music apparently).

I don’t know what you see. I see exactly what I expected to see: black music. African black music. Sometimes with some influence of other forms of black music – reggae, dance hall, calypso and R&B and yes a general pop influence too.

Of course one may find some oddball exceptions to all this, but I’m not sure these exceptions, where they exist, reflect the arc of African music as an identifiable ‘thing’ or continuum or cultural/genetic legacy, at least unless they weave back in some prior African or African-derived (black) forms back in somewhere in an identifiable way. Lacking that, I would call it more imitation or a performance.

Your position is that any music created in the continent of Africa is therefore African music. My position is it may or may not be. But mainly I feel we are talking about rather different things.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=D9BaJVbgRsY&feature=shares

Thanks for that video, Beyonce at Glastonbury 2011. The question here is why are young whites so stupid and conforming to black? Might have been the marijuana and drugs here.