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From Reuters:

Stop selling products that use monkey labour: UK PM’s fiancee tells retailers
JULY 3, 2020 / 1:03 AM / UPDATED AN HOUR AGO

LONDON (Reuters) – Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s fiancee Carrie Symonds on Friday welcomed pledges by four British retailers to stop selling products that use monkey labour in their production and called on others to do the same.

“Glad Waitrose, Co-op 42DE.L, Boots (WBA.O) & Ocado (OCDO.L) have vowed not to sell products that use monkey labour, while Morrisons (MRW.L) has already removed these from its stores,” Symonds said on her twitter account.

She called on all other supermarkets to do the same.

“I’m told Asda (WMT.N) , Tesco (TSCO.L) & Sainsbury’s (SBRY.L) STILL sell such products,” she said.

And that’s the entire article.

Can you actually get monkeys to labor? For further elucidation, here’s an article in Animal Place entitled:

Did a Monkey Pick Your Coconuts?

 
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  1. Did a chicken lay your egg? did a pig die for your bacon? was milk taken from a cow for your cheese?…..hmmmmm bacon egg and cheese biscuit.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @tyrone

    This message not brought to you by the Gates foundation now investing big in fake foods, along with Monsanto et al.
    Dunno why but all of a sudden the Global Seed Vault looks like a harbinger of ill omen.

  2. There is an amusing story from South Africa that occurred in the 1920’s. There was a railway worker in a distant station in the eastern cape whose job was to change the rails whenever the trains came past and direct them to the appropriate destination. He unfortunately lost a leg. Rather than lose his job he trained a baboon to go and change the rails. The baboon never created an accident, and eventually both Man and Baboon retired. I presume the Baboon never joined the union.

  3. Is it okay to refer to the monkeys as slaves? Or no?

    • LOL: Charles
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @PiltdownMan

    That's a chimp, which is pretty near human as it goes (can't properly handle AK-47 though, so is a bit vulnerable against being served as bushmeat by Peaceful Harvesters)

    Here is a monkey:

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/monkey-deaths-in-india-spark-enormous-panic-amid-coronavirus/

    , @Ozymandias
    @PiltdownMan

    That's a chimpanzee, not a monkey. I'm telling you right now that Monkey Lives Matter isn't going to tolerate your All Simian Lives Matter nonsense, speciesist.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

  4. Wow, monkeys have devolved.

    And to think, space aliens were using them to help build the Pyramids 4000 years ago!

  5. Anon[403] • Disclaimer says:

    All animal food, or “flesh,” is “animal labor” because the primary product of “living” for most creatures involves eating to put flesh on your own bones.

    Eat fish, steak or chicken? That flesh is the embodiment of the labor of the animal you’re eating.

    That being said, with modern factory farming you can hardly describe eating from a trough and sitting in your own shit all day “laborious” activity — if highly unpleasant for the animal.

    How would it be to be stuffed, cheek to jowl, into a cage with countless other animals from birth until you’re bludgeoned and have your spine mechanically severed from your neck at the ripe age of puberty?

    What takes place in factory farms all day every day to literally billions of animals is far worse than anything that ever transpired in “concentration camps” in Eastern Europe but because it’s done to non-human animals it’s “okay.”

    The agro companies have made it illegal to disseminate footage of what goes on in their facilities because it’s bad for business. On the other hand, children are endlessly indoctrinated and catechized on what allegedly occurred in Nazi concentration camps. Interesting how that is.

    When the Robots take over, they won’t need to fire a shot to commandeer our societies and exterminate us, they’ll just indoctrinate our children into self-hatred by showing factory farm footage on endless loop in school and television and thereby convince humanity to hate itself and commit collective seppuku for all the “horrible crimes they committed against nature.” It’s a proven strategy: the Jews did it to the white race. It works.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    How would it be to be stuffed, cheek to jowl, into a cage with countless other animals from birth until you’re bludgeoned and have your spine mechanically severed from your neck at the ripe age of puberty?
     
    And yet, this is the tragic fate that has befallen countless Congressmen, university administrators, and corporate spokesmen.
  6. Monkey lives don’t …. oh, can’t do this.

  7. Work a little while as a manager, and you will find yourself denouncing monkey labor.

    • LOL: Charles
  8. I reckon a monkey could grab nuts good and hard. Know what I’m saying? Wooh!

  9. Where are they going to draw the line? In either direction? Domesticated animals are slaves and are treated horrifically and hardly anyone cares. It’s been going on awhile.

  10. MLM is demanding reparations because country X was built on the backs of monkeys.

  11. You can’t get monkeys to labor but if you sit enough of them down at a type writer eventually one of them is bound to bang out this drivel. I suppose “labour” is sort of adjacent to exploitation for the left, in the sense that labor = bad. Eventually I knew this would start happening. Our new imported overlords don’t quite have a grasp of the English language. This might be a good thing though. Normal people will begin to notice that they are ruled by people with lower IQs than them. Idiocracy.

  12. Hah you guys are so funny with your racist charged humor

    Here’s a joke: who is losing so badly that statues are being torn down women are rejecting them they are being swamped demographically and they are being jailed for hate speech and there history is being destroyed

    Answer: white “men”

    Looks like monkeys are winning especially in the sexual arena

  13. @PiltdownMan
    Is it okay to refer to the monkeys as slaves? Or no?

    https://i.imgur.com/SH3ulEf.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Ozymandias

    That’s a chimp, which is pretty near human as it goes (can’t properly handle AK-47 though, so is a bit vulnerable against being served as bushmeat by Peaceful Harvesters)

    Here is a monkey:

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/08/monkey-deaths-in-india-spark-enormous-panic-amid-coronavirus/

  14. I’ll say the same thing I’ll say to the veganist reductio ad absurdum “how are you better than that cow”: I have the big brain, so I win. That means I can eat or put to work the loser. Sure, I’m gentle to animals as a rule as a sort of noblesse oblige. But if the monkeys want change, let them start a gorilla war and outsmart us.

  15. I don’t know how exactly, but somehow this headline is racist.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Jack D

    I had the same inchoate feeling when I first saw Steve's headline too - something like, "Wow wait, is this person somehow alluding to the association of blacks with monkeys even as she stands up bravely speaking out for their rights???"

    It's a wild world.

    But then, it IS kind of suspiciously racist of her to bring up the topic of monkeys at the precise time when everyone has the plights of blacks first and foremost on their minds, isn't it? Is she trolling us all?

  16. The monkeys only want more food and better working conditions. But humans want to employ their own, hurting their lower primate cousins.

  17. Coconut plantations are dangerous places to work, due to coconuts falling on your head and killing you. Not surprisingly, there has been efforts to get rid of human labour, as seen in other industries.
    Coal mining was a very dangerous occupation. In Britain pre-war, hundreds died each year in industrial accidents in pits. Now: there are only open cast pits, where the coal is mined by machine with very little human labour. The dangerous deep mines are closed. Only benighted countries like China retain them.
    As regards the monkeys, so long as there are proper safety measures in place, I don’t have a problem about their use. Also, they should get the proper going rate ( in peanuts, bananas, grapes etc ) for the job.
    What did disturb me about the article was the use of child labour. This is a dangerous job and children should have no part of it. Sod the monkeys, consider the children.
    This is a classic crops rotting in the field story much beloved of Mr Steve. Long term, if you pay workers literally peanuts to harvest the crop, it’s no job worth having. Mechanisation, as in other areas of agriculture, is the obvious long term solution.
    PS Are these monkeys imported ? Are these immigrant monkeys pushing native monkeys out of a job ? Or are they doing jobs native monkeys will not do ?

  18. Clearly Raciiiiiiissssssd!!!!

  19. Did Roddy McDowell get one’s rightful job in the lab on an H-1B?

    Senior Tory peer, Lord Heseltine, gained the sobriquet Tarzan (Lord of the Apes) after swinging the Common’s mace about his head in the midst of a heated debate in the chamber. Lord Heseltine embraced it and titled his autobiography Life in the jungle.

  20. Next they’ll want to put the coffee-bean-shitting birds out of a job.

    https://espressograndscrus.com/excellences-of-pure-origin-coffees/bird-jacu/

  21. iSteve News Exclusive!

    Republicans broker deal with President Kuschner to extend H-IB visas to monkeys.

    iSteve News. Tomorrow’s headlines today…

  22. The word “monkey” can still be said in public? Also, someone who can create memes needs to make one showing a circle of monkeys pointing guns at each other; I believe at least some people would get the joke (if it is a joke).

  23. @tyrone
    Did a chicken lay your egg? did a pig die for your bacon? was milk taken from a cow for your cheese?…..hmmmmm bacon egg and cheese biscuit.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    This message not brought to you by the Gates foundation now investing big in fake foods, along with Monsanto et al.
    Dunno why but all of a sudden the Global Seed Vault looks like a harbinger of ill omen.

  24. After reading the article that was linked to at the end, I am not really sure that using monkeys to harvest coconuts is any different than using mules, oxen, or horses to plow fields or to move wagons around the farm. If this attitude had existed thousands of years ago, the ability of humans to take up agriculture in the first place would have been very limited. To say nothing about using horses for transportation or livestock for food! If this attitude becomes widespread, the Amish may find themselves without a market for their crops.

    Having said that, it is not unreasonable to want humane conditions for the monkeys involved. The fact that the monkeys are not allowed to eat the coconuts seems to place the people involved behind the ancient Jews, who thousands of years ago were instructed “You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain” (Deuteronomy 25:4).

  25. @Jack D
    I don't know how exactly, but somehow this headline is racist.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    I had the same inchoate feeling when I first saw Steve’s headline too – something like, “Wow wait, is this person somehow alluding to the association of blacks with monkeys even as she stands up bravely speaking out for their rights???”

    It’s a wild world.

    But then, it IS kind of suspiciously racist of her to bring up the topic of monkeys at the precise time when everyone has the plights of blacks first and foremost on their minds, isn’t it? Is she trolling us all?

  26. The monkeys who pick coconuts are upstanding, productive citizens. Much better than the thieving monkeys who run in gangs and steal cameras and smartphones from tourists and other hapless victims.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Bill P

    Even worse are the monkeys who turn to drinking. Although it turns out they are useful in studying human alcoholism.

    https://youtu.be/t9xoVTmMX5E

  27. If successful, this boycott will result in people eating monkeys instead of enslaving them, like the African captives who didn’t snag a berth on a slave ship. Another win for social justice!

  28. The monkey’s I’ve met in Thailand have been extremely unpleasant to deal with being highly aggressive and inclined to kleptomania. I don’t care if they suffer.

    I haven’t read the NGO literature on this but my observation has been that the monkeys climb palms to knock coconuts loose rather than tote them down. The most senior civil servant in the educational ministry wrote a book claiming that monkey-trainers were better and more caring of their pupils than ordinary Thai teachers with their human equivalents. (I am not joking.)

    OT I have discovered the source of the Becky-with-the-Good-Hair. It’s in northern Burma.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  29. Walmart-owned Asda said it was removing Aroy-D and Chaokoh branded products from sale while it investigated the report with its suppliers.

    Clown World. (Could have embedded the ‘ape with a ak-47’ YouTube clip here but someone assuredly would beat me to it.)

  30. @PiltdownMan
    Is it okay to refer to the monkeys as slaves? Or no?

    https://i.imgur.com/SH3ulEf.jpg

    Replies: @El Dato, @Ozymandias

    That’s a chimpanzee, not a monkey. I’m telling you right now that Monkey Lives Matter isn’t going to tolerate your All Simian Lives Matter nonsense, speciesist.

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    @Ozymandias

    Well, we are living on the planet of the apes.


  31. This guy just literally hires a bunch of monkeys to pick olives to replace the child labor.

    (Always seemed like a anti-labor film.)

    • Replies: @dvorak
    @Kronos


    This guy just literally hires a bunch of monkeys to pick olives to replace the child labor.
     
    What if Disney's California Adventure had an area for kids (like the old A Bug's Land), where they could compete with monkey labor?

    You have the California olive groves, the monkeys (petite women Cast Members), union agitators (Jewish and Quaker Cast Members), and some Stormtroopers to crush the union. Kids would love it!
    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Kronos

    Essays could be written unpacking that poster alone

    , @Ray P
    @Kronos

    Cheese-eating surrender monkeys?

    , @ChrisZ
    @Kronos

    I’ve never heard of this film, Kronos, but I recognized the Disney stalwart Dean Jones right away. What a surprise to see an elderly Chevalier and an achingly lovely Yvette Mimieux (mid-20s?) in the clip. Thanks for posting it.

    Seriously, though: They could make a *kids’ movie* about importing cheap labor by “monkeys” (?!) in 1967? It was truly a different world back then.

    It wasn’t until the following year that “Planet of the Apes” made the intention of monkey symbolism more explicit.

  32. @Kronos
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/14/f3/a114f3927f40f17a7a7fcbc962378e13.jpg

    This guy just literally hires a bunch of monkeys to pick olives to replace the child labor.

    https://youtu.be/Y-x_IROJITg

    (Always seemed like a anti-labor film.)

    Replies: @dvorak, @Kent Nationalist, @Ray P, @ChrisZ

    This guy just literally hires a bunch of monkeys to pick olives to replace the child labor.

    What if Disney’s California Adventure had an area for kids (like the old A Bug’s Land), where they could compete with monkey labor?

    You have the California olive groves, the monkeys (petite women Cast Members), union agitators (Jewish and Quaker Cast Members), and some Stormtroopers to crush the union. Kids would love it!

  33. @Kronos
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/14/f3/a114f3927f40f17a7a7fcbc962378e13.jpg

    This guy just literally hires a bunch of monkeys to pick olives to replace the child labor.

    https://youtu.be/Y-x_IROJITg

    (Always seemed like a anti-labor film.)

    Replies: @dvorak, @Kent Nationalist, @Ray P, @ChrisZ

    Essays could be written unpacking that poster alone

  34. @Bill P
    The monkeys who pick coconuts are upstanding, productive citizens. Much better than the thieving monkeys who run in gangs and steal cameras and smartphones from tourists and other hapless victims.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1MyVUze8M

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Even worse are the monkeys who turn to drinking. Although it turns out they are useful in studying human alcoholism.

  35. @Kronos
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/14/f3/a114f3927f40f17a7a7fcbc962378e13.jpg

    This guy just literally hires a bunch of monkeys to pick olives to replace the child labor.

    https://youtu.be/Y-x_IROJITg

    (Always seemed like a anti-labor film.)

    Replies: @dvorak, @Kent Nationalist, @Ray P, @ChrisZ

    Cheese-eating surrender monkeys?

  36. I’m surprised journos and academics haven’t tried to call her racist yet.

  37. @Kronos
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/14/f3/a114f3927f40f17a7a7fcbc962378e13.jpg

    This guy just literally hires a bunch of monkeys to pick olives to replace the child labor.

    https://youtu.be/Y-x_IROJITg

    (Always seemed like a anti-labor film.)

    Replies: @dvorak, @Kent Nationalist, @Ray P, @ChrisZ

    I’ve never heard of this film, Kronos, but I recognized the Disney stalwart Dean Jones right away. What a surprise to see an elderly Chevalier and an achingly lovely Yvette Mimieux (mid-20s?) in the clip. Thanks for posting it.

    Seriously, though: They could make a *kids’ movie* about importing cheap labor by “monkeys” (?!) in 1967? It was truly a different world back then.

    It wasn’t until the following year that “Planet of the Apes” made the intention of monkey symbolism more explicit.

  38. No, iSteve didn’t make this up. UK of course.

    Thank god we had the Revolution.

  39. I googled and found several conspicuous stories on the subject, but few of them were more than several hours old. Must be a new thing (as in newly discovered by the media.)

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53276071

  40. Can you actually get monkeys to labor?

    Seems risky.

  41. @Anon
    All animal food, or "flesh," is "animal labor" because the primary product of "living" for most creatures involves eating to put flesh on your own bones.

    Eat fish, steak or chicken? That flesh is the embodiment of the labor of the animal you're eating.

    That being said, with modern factory farming you can hardly describe eating from a trough and sitting in your own shit all day "laborious" activity -- if highly unpleasant for the animal.

    How would it be to be stuffed, cheek to jowl, into a cage with countless other animals from birth until you're bludgeoned and have your spine mechanically severed from your neck at the ripe age of puberty?

    What takes place in factory farms all day every day to literally billions of animals is far worse than anything that ever transpired in "concentration camps" in Eastern Europe but because it's done to non-human animals it's "okay."

    The agro companies have made it illegal to disseminate footage of what goes on in their facilities because it's bad for business. On the other hand, children are endlessly indoctrinated and catechized on what allegedly occurred in Nazi concentration camps. Interesting how that is.

    When the Robots take over, they won't need to fire a shot to commandeer our societies and exterminate us, they'll just indoctrinate our children into self-hatred by showing factory farm footage on endless loop in school and television and thereby convince humanity to hate itself and commit collective seppuku for all the "horrible crimes they committed against nature." It's a proven strategy: the Jews did it to the white race. It works.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    How would it be to be stuffed, cheek to jowl, into a cage with countless other animals from birth until you’re bludgeoned and have your spine mechanically severed from your neck at the ripe age of puberty?

    And yet, this is the tragic fate that has befallen countless Congressmen, university administrators, and corporate spokesmen.

  42. Can you actually get monkeys to labor?

    No, no… never mind, I won’t say it. It’s just too easy.

  43. @Ozymandias
    @PiltdownMan

    That's a chimpanzee, not a monkey. I'm telling you right now that Monkey Lives Matter isn't going to tolerate your All Simian Lives Matter nonsense, speciesist.

    Replies: @Ancient Briton

    Well, we are living on the planet of the apes.

  44. Anything more pointless or bizarre than this is not possible. Until tomorrow. I can’t wait. I clicked on the link, so many deadly earnest females wetting their twisteds over essentially bugger all. The occasional simpering male popped in with an omg type comment. I went to Thailand, stayed in a garden style hotel, the monkeys threw coconuts at me. I threw them back, I’m quite a good shot. They then recognised me and started throwing their shit at me. The lesson I learned is that I wouldn’t invite the shitty little sods into my home. Sweet furry creatures? Gimme a break. They’ll stop me eating squoills for dinner next.

  45. Balanced reporting from 2015 NPR:

    Are products that rely on monkey labor unethical?
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/20/are-products-that-rely-on-monkey-labor-unethical

    What’s Funny About The Business Of Monkeys Picking Coconuts?
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/19/448960760/monkeys-pick-coconuts-in-thailand-are-they-abused-or-working-animals

    Monkey Business, Training school
    @4:20 monkey seems to have his testicles intact. So I have no problem with any of this.

    Finally a job immigrants won’t do.

  46. If only we could get our monkeys to do some kind of manual labor – anything at all. Oh, that’s right, some of their ancestors picked cotton, so they’ve reached their collective totals for all time.

  47. How different is monkey labor from canine labor? Is ethical monkey labor possible?

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