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One unexpected aspect of COVID-19 is that (so far) it is striking society’s most respectable members hardest. Instead of junkies and anonymous gay sex addicts like AIDS targeted, it’s hitting people like movie stars Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson, Idris Elba, and the first ladies of Canada and Spain.

It’s easy to make up theories about how they must have had it coming, but let’s be frank.

Tom Hanks is a great guy, an American patriot whom I am proud to be a fellow citizen of. He’s a universally popular man. It’s hard to imagine who ranks much higher than Tom Hanks, among all human beings for whom more people would walk across the room to be able to say that they shook his hand.

Mrs. Hanks, by the way, who also has it, is extremely nice and amiable. At the 2002 L.A. auto show, when Tom was the biggest star in the world, Ms. Wilson initiated a charming conversation with my wife when they found themselves side.

“That was Rita Wilson, Tom Hanks’ wife,” my wife then told me.

“The lady who just produced My Big Fat Greek Wedding? Didn’t she just earn many millions from it?”

“Yeah, I think she wants to buy her husband a nice car with all the money she has made.”

The Hanx had to take a roughly 15 hours flight to Australia. The more hours you spend in the air, the worse, evidently. Perhaps the higher cabin pressure and humidity Boeing 787 Dreamliner with the carbon fiber fuselage would be a better choice than conventional, easily rusted aluminum hulls.

It’s also hitting our most valuable scientists. From the Guardian:

Top UK Covid-19 expert self-isolates after developing symptoms
Neil Ferguson says he was probably infectious when he attended No 10 press conference

Neil Ferguson is a professor of Mathematical Biology at Imperial College. He’s the lead author of the crucial I mperial College report. In case you are wondering, he’s not Niall Ferguson, the celebrated and genial historian.

Nazia [email protected]
Wed 18 Mar 2020

One of the government’s top coronavirus experts has had to self-isolate after developing coronavirus symptoms and revealed he was probably infectious when he attended a Downing Street press conference on Tuesday.

Prof Neil Ferguson, from Imperial College London, tweeted that he has a persistent cough and high fever, and had been forced to self-isolate in his central London flat for seven days.

Ferguson, head of the modelling programme at Imperial’s MRC centre for global infectious disease analysis, who has been working round the clock with a team of experts advising the government, tweeted: “Sigh. Developed a slight dry but persistent cough yesterday and self-isolated even though I felt fine. Then developed high fever at 4am today. There is a lot of Covid-19 in Westminster.”

Ferguson, has been advising UK officials for two months, and was one of co-authors of a scientific paper published this week which led to the government drastically changing its strategy in the face of the global pandemic.

In the paper it was predicted that 260,000 people could have died if officials hadn’t announced social distancing measures.

He said: “So I got a slight cough, actually while I was being interviewed by you [BBC Radio 4] yesterday.

“In the abundance of caution, I self-isolated then so I’m stuck in my flat on my own for seven days in central London. Then at four o’clock in the morning I got a high fever, which is somewhat better now but I still feel fairly grotty.

“I’ve been in so many meetings in the last few weeks, and a number of my colleagues from other universities who have been advising the government in those meetings have also developed symptoms.”

During the interview Ferguson, who has been in contact with the prime minister and his chief advisers, said he wasn’t surprised that he had potentially contracted the virus, saying London was the current UK hotspot for the virus.

“I have to say central London is the hotspot in the UK at the moment. There almost certainly are thousands of cases in central London, so it’s not that surprising. I’ve been in lots of meetings and contacting lots of people,” he added.

Ferguson, went on to say that there was a potential risk that he had been infectious during a press conference in Downing Street on Tuesday.

He said: “We think there’s infectiousness for about a day before symptoms, and I was actually at a Downing Street press conference that day. I mean there is a slight risk I may have infected someone but that probably is quite slight.”

In other words, there’s a high chance that our best and brightest in this fight are already hors de combat from attending so many crucial conferences.

Similarly, family ski vacations, a wonderfully wholesome and healthy activity most of the time, now appear to be a strong vector.

 
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  1. “Similarly, family ski vacations, a wonderfully wholesome and healthy activity most of the time, now appear to be a strong vector.”

    And also eating exotic foods (e.g. bats) may have had a significant contribution in spreading the virus globally. Is eating a bat considered a wholesome (much less healthy) activity? Certainly isn’t in the West.

  2. El Dato says:

    The wages of the Welfare-Warfare state:

    Companies stuffed to the brim with incompetence and beancounters demanding more taxpayer money to stay in their pseudo-business:

    How about help PEOPLE first? Boeing shredded for seeking ‘tens of billions’ in ANOTHER bailout amid coronavirus pandemic

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
  3. unit472 says:

    Damn, I’ve been following Ferguson’s YOUTUBE updates and he gave a very short one ( 3min 42 sec.) on March 11. A lot of people commented on how he looked unwell. I hope Dr. Van Elsland who has been doing the interviews is OK.

    Ferguson and his team at J IDEA have really been out front on this pandemic and their predictions are sadly coming true.

  4. There is word that many doctors were exposed to Coronavirus at a medical conference in NYC. So far 5 have tested positive.

    And biotech workers seem to be the ones who brought Coronavirus to Boston at the Biogen conference.

    In Italy about 10% of the people treated for Coronavirus have been health care workers.

    In S Korea doctors and other health care workers were collapsing from exhaustion.

    Who will fight the battles if our generals, our officers and our foot soldiers are falling?

    • Replies: @Tiny Duck
  5. Sooo…

    * best & brightest get it
    * family ski vacations people get it

    I’m beginning to suspect some evil mad genius black scientist, a sort of anti-Yakub is behind this all….

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  6. So, being a misanthrope offsets all my other sterling characteristic risk factors?

  7. iSteve readers should emerge from this relatively unscathed.

    • Replies: @njguy73
  8. In Italy about 10% of the people treated for Coronavirus have been health care workers.

    In S Korea doctors and other health care workers were collapsing from exhaustion.

    Who will fight the battles if our generals, our officers and our foot soldiers are falling?

    On the bright side, there will be a large and growing cohort of now-immune healthcare workers keeping ahead of the epidemic curve.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  9. Charon says:

    This all kinda makes sense. Getting tested has become a status symbol in LA, DC, NY. If you’re a Hollywood or sports star, or politician, or politician’s wife, you’re nothing without a status report you can blare out on Twitter.

    Not absolutely sure if a positive result ranks higher than a negative one, but it is clear that you’re a nobody if you haven’t already been tested.

    Fact is, you should be getting as close to self-isolating as practicable anyway, but how that might confer bragging rights on Twitter has yet to be determined.

  10. dearieme says: • Website

    “first ladies of Canada and Spain”: wouldn’t those be the queens of those realms? You presumably mean the wives of the PMs?

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
    , @ScarletNumber
  11. Richard S says:

    he was probably infectious when he attended a Downing Street press conference

    Heh heh, whoopsie doodle!

  12. dearieme says:

    “easily rusted aluminum hulls”: oh dear, Mr iSteve, are you a little below the weather at the moment?

    • Agree: Lot
    • LOL: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Kibernetika
  13. TBA says:

    Why skiers? On the one hand , it’s cold (supposedly good for the virus), and therefore the air is probably also dry. On the other hand skiing is not a contact sport, or even a team sport. Skiers likely don’t shower and dress together in a locker room. And in the bar after-ski, do they get all touchy with each other or drink from the same glass? Such an unintuitive vector indicates the virus’s extreme contagiousness, but they’re still a remarkable victim group. Maybe skiers just sneeze a lot?

  14. Anon[115] • Disclaimer says:

    While we’re on the subject of London, can someone explain the logic of why my medium sized major supermarket chain has less basic necessities than my local (Hindu) convenience store? No bread, biscuits, apples, potatoes, chicken.

  15. Kirt says:

    If it’s hitting the elites hardest, there’s much more incentive to find a cure. Reason for hope, indeed!

  16. I don’t think we need to build any monuments to the wholesome celebrity martyrs just yet. At most they seem to be the victims of a bad cold.

    In fact, I am a bit surprised that the media haven’t done any profiles of people who have actually died. The actual victims are probably too old and obscure to be interesting. But the net result is that the virus doesn’t feel very deadly at the moment.

    This is probably how it felt during the Phoney War.

  17. Bill P says:

    I’m pretty much on the front lines of this thing through work. It’s all but certain that I’ve been in contact with infected people, and for all I know I’m incubating the virus right now.

    The behavior of the customers I deal with has forced a pretty profound change in my attitude concerning this disease. The older crowd with disposable income just doesn’t seem too concerned. If I weren’t worried about getting fired I’d post pictures, so you’re going to have to take my word for it.

    The wealthy, 60+ people are not changing their lifestyle at all, and it shocked me at first, but there it is. And here my wife and I are juggling hours to take care of the kids since school’s out for six weeks in WA, constantly sanitizing our hands, dealing with rationing in the grocery stores and so on.

    I think the UK has the right idea. Let those older folks who are most at risk decide for themselves whether to quarantine or not, because nobody’s stopping them anyway, and let the rest of us get on with our lives. 30 years ago nobody would have considered putting us through this economic Armageddon for a flu that killed octogenarians. Hell, my grandpa and my uncle Buddy both died of pneumonia in the 90s and all that happened was a fight amongst their boomer kids over their property. Whatever flu killed them never came up in conversation!

    I really don’t want to get sick with this Chinese virus. I had one like it in Beijing 20 years ago that put a real scare into me and the symptoms victims describe from this one sound exactly the same — at first you have what seems like a typical cold and then after a few days you wake up gasping for breath. But as it stands I see older Americans and Canadians going around without a care in the world and highly likely to pass it on to me and others.

    Well, I suppose it’s their choice. They’ve already lived a long time, so let them make up their own minds, right? But if that’s how it’s going to be, then put the kids back in school and send everybody back to work. If I have to take my chances anyway, at least my wife and I will still be employed, and our hands are clean!

  18. Polynikes says:

    Those celebrities are just high profile who got tested because they’re high profile. It’s likely thousands more, maybe hundreds of thousands or millions, have it and don’t know or can’t get tested.

    Which means that the mortality rate is possibly much lower than all the doomsday models have used. Likely even lower than the 09 swine flu and maybe even approach the rate of a bad regular flu season. Here’s a good article— https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

    Many of us have been pointing this out, although we’ve mostly drown out by the panic.

  19. Tom Hanks is a great guy, an American patriot whom I am proud to be a fellow citizen of.

    Nah, he pushes Leftist policies under the Nice Guy banner. And he pushed the worship of the silly Greatest Generation (they were great for following orders and sacrificing their children’s country to fight a war the Left demanded).

    He’s the guy who tells you to be a Good Doggie for your “country”. I’m not sure he’s quite as popular anymore. People mocked him for his priggish reaction to Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes.

  20. Tiny Duck says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    How come Africans and most other People of Color do not seem to be that effected?

    Even in east Asia they have it contained.

    Only in the “west” is there a problem it seems.

    That tells you something right there

  21. Cortes says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    The 21-year-old football trainer whose death sparked sensational headlines in Spain just happened to be suffering from Leukaemia.

    See for example:

    https://noticias.caracoltv.com/coronavirus-covid-19/joven-entrenador-de-futbol-murio-en-espana-por-el-coronavirus-ie215

  22. JimB says:

    Nazia? Seriously? Is that the feminine form of Nazi?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  23. @Bill P

    My mother, over 90, lives in a retirement community. She was going about her business until my sister-in-law called to read her the riot act. Her retirement community has made a few small changes, but for the most part the old folks are going about their lives without thinking. My mother is one of the few who no longer eats in the crowded dining hall.

  24. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Well if there’s no discussion of virus strains then you can’t get a sense of the danger. Fox News host related a story last night that contradicts the spread going on at the leadership conferences. It is likely the different strains at work…

    (But they won’t allow discussion of strains because that monkey wrenches the upcoming vaccine rollout)

    CDC front man Anthony Fauci went on Laura Ingraham last night and bluffed his way through:

    She explained the case of a lady super spreader who had 362 known contacts but only infected 1 single person. He hems and haws and then a little later he maintains that the virus is extremely contagious.

    She asked why not just quarantine the elderly and immuno-compromised. He says the quarantine won’t hold back the kids! They’ll break through. Seriously. Then he tries to shame the kids on spring break on Florida beaches. Doesn’t matter if their odds of dying from corona are about the same as being struck by lightning. Fauci wants them all quarantined. But he just said that quarantine doesn’t work. WTF.

    She then brought up the CHLOROQUINE issue! He gave a disingenuous speech about how they’ll be sure to study the issue. Subtext was obviously we’ll be sure to stove pipe and memory hole that idea all to hell.

    THE GOAL OF THE CDC HERE IS TO SHORTLY FAUX VACCINATE ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE. Can’t give the kids a pass on that.

    Of course Laura didn’t bring up the 1/ the different virus strains 2/ the ace2 receptor issue 3/ the Chinese worker colony in Italy 4/ the nonexistence of any effective corona virus vaccine in the history of medicine etc. All of that is taboo banned forbidden because it damages the vaccine rollout.

  25. @Hypnotoad666

    In fact, I am a bit surprised that the media haven’t done any profiles of people who have actually died. The actual victims are probably too old and obscure to be interesting. But the net result is that the virus doesn’t feel very deadly at the moment.

    Well, in that case the Press is unwittingly doing a service.

    Like it or not people are more apt to greet this thing with the necessary degree of seriousness if they think it endangers people like Hanks rather than wrinkly old elderly people with underlying medical conditions whom they may secretly figure are living on borrowed time anyway.

  26. Anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    I think that if the denominator in the equation is realized to be multiples higher, we will come to regret destroying our economy because a few Baby Boomers are afraid to face the reality that they have higher likelihood of death from certain viruses as they age.
    Realistically, more people could die from skipping or delaying their normal cancer screenings out of fear from visiting a medical facility due to coronavirus panic than from coronavirus itself:

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

    “Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.

    That huge range markedly affects how severe the pandemic is and what should be done. A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff and dies.

    Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes. In fact, such “mild” coronaviruses infect tens of millions of people every year, and account for 3% to 11% of those hospitalized in the U.S. with lower respiratory infections each winter.

    These “mild” coronaviruses may be implicated in several thousands of deaths every year worldwide, though the vast majority of them are not documented with precise testing. Instead, they are lost as noise among 60 million deaths from various causes every year.

    Although successful surveillance systems have long existed for influenza, the disease is confirmed by a laboratory in a tiny minority of cases. In the U.S., for example, so far this season 1,073,976 specimens have been tested and 222,552 (20.7%) have tested positive for influenza. In the same period, the estimated number of influenza-like illnesses is between 36,000,000 and 51,000,000, with an estimated 22,000 to 55,000 flu deaths.

    Note the uncertainty about influenza-like illness deaths: a 2.5-fold range, corresponding to tens of thousands of deaths. Every year, some of these deaths are due to influenza and some to other viruses, like common-cold coronaviruses.

    In an autopsy series that tested for respiratory viruses in specimens from 57 elderly persons who died during the 2016 to 2017 influenza season, influenza viruses were detected in 18% of the specimens, while any kind of respiratory virus was found in 47%. In some people who die from viral respiratory pathogens, more than one virus is found upon autopsy and bacteria are often superimposed. A positive test for coronavirus does not mean necessarily that this virus is always primarily responsible for a patient’s demise.“

    • Agree: LondonBob, Federalist
  27. SteveM says:

    For all of these Western celebrities and athletes who are diagnosed as infected with COVID, very few appear to be actually getting sick.

    What is that all about?

  28. @Paleo Liberal

    Steve, I wouldn’t be so certain we’re not going to see an explosion of the Chop Fluey in the sex pervert communities in big cities.

    As with the advent of HIV, they’re already severely immunocompromised by a host of common viral and bacteriological infections that they spread by means of frequent, indiscriminate, and anonymous multi-partner sexual (and scatological) contact. This doesn’t account for the number of them now “living with” HIV, which would further make contracting any virus much more likely.

    As with the advent of HIV, I wouldn’t expect them to scale back the back scaling. It could be that the governments in places like NYC and San Francisco will obscure such an outbreak for the expected reasons, but my guess is that it’s going to happen.

    • Agree: unit472
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  29. Look, the virus survives three days on metal and plastic. The incubation period ranges from 2 – 5 days to a max of 15 days.

    Isolate people for 15 days and the rate of transmission will fall dramatically. All the surface borne viruses will have died a natural death and those in whom the virus was incubating will manifest symptoms.

    We don’t have to prepare for a 6 month or year and a half siege if we just isolate for 15 or 30 days now. The idea is to get the rate down below raging-through-the-population levels.

    Is it a coincidence that swine and avian both arose in populations of animals that are basically raised in concentration camps? Well then, disperse and the virus will taper and die a natural death, just as they do in populations of wild animals that are not drawn together by artificial means such as salt licks. Hunter’s salt licks which cluster deer in unnatural proximity have been blamed for the spread of diseases such as the flesh wasting disease that affected deer in Wisconsin in recent years.

    Cities are, as far as the virus is concerned, no different than concentration camps.

    • Agree: El Dato
  30. LondonBob says:
    @Bill P

    This eighty something who lived through the Asian Flu of 1980 is a bit surprised by the reaction to another one.

    https://www.city-journal.org/1957-asian-flu-pandemic

    Bars, pubs and restaurants are deserted in London. I am not sure the America media are painting an accurate picture.

  31. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Rome, 13 Mar 19:12 – (Agenzia Nova) – There may be only two people who died from coronavirus in Italy, who did not present other pathologies. This is what emerges from the medical records examined so far by the Higher Institute of Health

    HEALTHY PEOPLE NOT IN DANGER IN ITALY

    Italian research article translation: coronavirus deaths in Italy turning out to actually be co-morbidity cases.

    Meaning the people dying were already in serious trouble from other serious diseases. Avg age is 80.

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3825709/posts

    This is like the old 1980s AIDS playbook where the specific threat to a niche population is dishonestly transferred to the population at large.

    • Replies: @Federalist
  32. In 1968, there was a pandemic flu virus that killed at least 100,000 Americans. Anybody hear of it at the time? LOL

    Pretty interesting to look at actual CDC data for old viruses and compare it to our current “pandemic”. Helps keep perspective.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Thanks: Federalist
    • Replies: @B36
    , @FPD72
    , @prime noticer
  33. Coronavirus

    Crown virus

    Disproportionately impacting wealthy jet setters at the top of the pyramid. Coincidence?

  34. Peter T says:

    Just for the record, Canada doesn’t have a “first lady”, unless you’re referring to the Queen.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  35. @Bill P

    “The wealthy, 60+ people are not changing their lifestyle at all, and it shocked me at first, but there it is.”

    You are describing my 60+ parents. They went on a cruise in the midst of kungflu and have been traveling all over the place since their return. I see the usual oldsters at the gym, though few young and GenX women — but women are always more fearful and gullible to panics and hoaxes than men.

    Send the kiddles back to schoo, let the oldsters self-quarantine if they so choose, and let’s end the Democratic Party’s state-mandated participation in Joe Biden’s 2020 election strategy.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  36. Kylie says:
    @Bill P

    I’m in my 60s, with respiratory allergies. As of now, there are no known cases of the virus in my small town. I’m self-isolating anyway because it’s sensible and responsible.

    This virus has increased and intensified the animus against boomers. A smidgen of that animus is just the envy the young feel towards the old who have more goodies. But most of it is justified. I look at my fellow boomers and think, “Who the ****do you think you are?” Their arrogance and sense of entitlement repulse me. I can only imagine how younger people feel.

  37. So Tom Hanks will be forever associated both with the anti-AIDS and AIDS itself?

    Philadelphia (film) – Wikipedia
    Philadelphia is a 1993 American legal drama film written by Ron Nyswaner, directed by Jonathan Demme and starring Tom Hanks and Denzel Washington. It was one of the first mainstream Hollywood films to acknowledge HIV/AIDS, homosexuality, and homophobia.

  38. George says:

    Hey iSteve, can you speculate as to what happens if Hanks and the Missus don’t die horrible deaths as their lungs fill up with snot like the state controlled media demands I believe? How will the Hankses miraculous survival be explained to the proles?

  39. Jack D says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    If they don’t succeed in stamping this out in the US and the UK the way they (almost) have in China, you can be pretty certain that at some point some older celebrities will succumb.

    Hanks at 63 is at the age where, if he is otherwise in good health, his odds are pretty good. He seems to be over the fever but the disease has left him weak. “Folding the laundry and doing the dishes leads to a nap on the couch”, he tweets. Still, in a few more weeks he should be back to his old self.

    But if Hanks was 73 or 83 0r 93 (0r 103 like Kirk Douglas) the results might have been different. It is quite possible that the disease began to spread earlier than we thought and that some of the deaths from pneumonia or “flu” over the last month or two were really undiagnosed Chinese Virus.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  40. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s raining, I wonder if the gardeners are working? What everyone needs in crisis; a manicured lawn and those pesky leaves keep falling off the trees.Where are all the gardeners today?

  41. Jack D says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    My 97 year old MIL still lives in her own home so in a sense she is well set up to self isolate. But she needs help both physically and psychologically – she would go nuts if she couldn’t have human interaction. Random strangers are not coming into her house (not that they were before) but she still has her regular caretaker and her kids coming to see her and they are in contact with the outside world and could bring the plague to her door. We have offered to have groceries delivered but she is very set in her ways and keeps sending her caretaker out to the store for a quart of milk, etc. Ideally either she or they or both should be masked and gloved but so far no one is doing that. She is in relatively good health for 97 but the Chinese Virus would pose a grave risk to her life at her age.

  42. El Dato says:

    Meanwhile in Nanjing (however language: Japanese):

    This video is filmed in Nanjing, by Japanese director Takeuchi Ryo. It offers a comprehensive look into Nanjing’s virus prevention measures. According to official statistics announced by Nanjing city, the number of people infected by coronavirus has gone from 93 to 0 as of 03/08/2020.

    Meanwhile in Iran:

    Iran’s supreme leader issues fatwa banning ‘unnecessary travel’ as coronavirus death toll mounts

    If the citizenry continues to disregard the health guidelines issued by the authorities, the situation could easily spin out of control, Iranian scientists have warned. Iran will see ‘only’ 120,000 infections and 12,000 deaths if the people actually stick to the health guidelines, a study by Iran’s Sharif University of Technology indicates.

    Fatwas are excellent for social control. We should try those.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
  43. Thirdtwin says:

    Hankavirus?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  44. There’s a great story about Tom Hanks from the early 1980s.

    He made a (now classic) appearance on “Family Ties” as Uncle Ned, a Wall Street whiz kid-turned-troubled whistleblower. Hanks was scheduled for a second appearance, but before it happened he became a big star because he had starred in the movie “Splash,” which was a major hit.

    His agent called the “Family Ties” people and told them Hanks was now out of their price range and would not be making that second appearance on their show. When Hanks found this out, he called them back and told them to disregard what his agent had said. He honored his original contract at the same pay grade.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  45. Jack D says:
    @Kylie

    People keep talking about Boomers when they mean Pre-Boomers. The oldest Boomers are 75 and the average Boomer is a decade younger. This group is somewhat vulnerable but the really big danger is to those older than Boomer age. Biden and Sanders had better watch with whom they shake hands.

    One could spin a very interesting scenario where Biden gets the nomination but dies before the election and his black female Progressive running mate takes the White House. If the economy really collapses and the disease is not checked between now and November, Trump will rank somewhere between Herbert Hoover and Benedict Arnold in popularity whether this is all his fault or not. Not to mention that a good portion of his voter base wouldn’t be voting because they are either dead or afraid to leave their homes.

  46. El Dato says:

    This is not the altitude graph of a SpaceX device!

    • Replies: @epebble
    , @danand
  47. jb says:

    Somewhat OT, but here is a thought I haven’t seen anywhere else. We are told that there are currently four types of coronavirus that have been endemic for a long time but only cause mild colds, while the new type is much more dangerous. But is it really?

    The new type is typically mild in young people, especially children. If the new type becomes endemic then everyone will get it as a child, and won’t get very sick. Of course coronaviruses do mutate a lot, so there will always be new strains of the new virus in circulation, which will still cause colds in adults. But these won’t be terribly serious colds, since they will simply be variations on a cold people have already had as children.

    Sound familiar? It sounds a lot like the situation we already have with the old coronaviruses! Maybe those types were every bit as lethal as the new one when they first appeared, but now everybody gets some strain of the old types when young, and is thus partially immunized to all other strains for life. I don’t know enough about viruses to know if this scenario actually works biologically, but logically it seems like a possible endgame for this virus. (It might also explain why Old World respiratory diseases are so dangerous to populations that are totally naive to them, like Amazonian Indians).

  48. El Dato says:
    @Thirdtwin

    Too near “Hantavirus”. For some reason probably to do with pure luck, those have not gone walkabouts yet.

  49. B36 says:
    @RichardTaylor

    In that politically incorrect time it was called the Hong Kong Flu.

  50. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “let’s end the Democratic Party’s state-mandated participation in Joe Biden’s 2020 election strategy.”

    That’s an excellent way of putting it, perfectly succinct and descriptive.

  51. @Jack D

    I remember that by the time W’s reelection campaign started up, he was pretty well despised by everyone who had two brain cells to rub together, but he “won”, because it was the still GOP’s turn in the White House.

    The “two” parties take turns, you know.

  52. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Jack D

    Biden is a lock to beat Trump. Guaranteed. No way he can lose.

    So get ready for President Abrams sending the cops to every White person house kicking down doors and seizing the place for vibrants.

    See you all in the camps!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @MBlanc46
    , @danand
  53. Lot says:
    @Anon

    When people want to panic bulk buy they go to Costco first, then walmart and target.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  54. Wholesome activities like AIPAC?

  55. Pericles says:
    @Jack D

    Kirk Douglas died in February btw. Cause of death: “private”, says wikipedia.

  56. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    8:49 am, still no gardener.

    • LOL: Kylie
  57. Lot says:

    San Diego’s largest cluster is from a ski trip:

    “ A second larger cluster includes seven individuals, also known to each other, who recently traveled to Colorado for a ski trip. ”

  58. BB753 says:

    “Tom Hanks is a great guy”
    Until you start doing some internet research…

    • Agree: Testing12
  59. @Anon

    I heard an economist on the radio this morning explain in her thick Indian accent just this phenomenon.

    A caller mentioned that the Mom and Pop stores in the Midwest are not experiencing the same shortages as the big box stores.

    The economist says it is all psychological.

    People panic, they turn to the familiar. The big box stores are more familiar, therefore the first place to hit.

    The other day the parking lot at Trader Joe was as empty as the shelves. The big box parking lots looked like Christmas Eve

    • Replies: @guest007
    , @keypusher
  60. @Jack D

    MIL?? Mom I’d like…😱

  61. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Net zero lives are being saved by this shutdown madness. Think about the carnage that’s already pulsing through the entire country.

    How many heart attacks have already occurred do to the stress?

    How many suicides have already occurred?

    Think about how much pathology is spiking out there right now.

    Think about the increased drunkenness and drug use.

    Think about the stress and domestic violence.

    Think about the crime.

    Think the white death was/is bad? The American nation’s life expectancy will crater because of this madness and the scumbag media will cover it up.

    • Agree: theMann
  62. @Paleo Liberal

    Well, perhaps the person who delivers her meal might also deliver some CoVID-19 right along with it if they are themselves infectious. I would imagine that they are interacting with many residents in the dining hall in the course of their duties. Sad, but true.

  63. @Jack D

    I worry the most about my in-laws, who are in their late 80s, living in NYC. They have had some serious health scares. My FIL has survived cancer twice, and was seriously ill a few months ago.

    Data from China show that 99% of the deaths have been people in the at-risk population. TB, diseases, smokers, elderly.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  64. >Instead of junkies and anonymous gay sex addicts like AIDS targeted, it’s hitting people like movie stars Tom Hanks and his wife Rita Wilson, Idris Elba, and the first ladies of Canada and Spain.

    The jet-set lifestyle also appears to be the prime vector for spreading this one. And it doesn’t seem like they are limiting those lifestyles.

  65. Abe says:

    Tom Hanks is a great guy, an American patriot whom I am proud to be a fellow citizen of. He’s a universally popular man. It’s hard to imagine who ranks much higher than Tom Hanks,

    * BAAAAAAAARRRRRFFF: Abe

    • Replies: @Abe
  66. Kylie says:
    @Jack D

    Oh, yes. The Bobby Zimmerman generation. They started all that 60s protest nonsense and they’re still preaching. What a loathsome lot they are.

  67. @SteveM

    For all of these Western celebrities and athletes who are diagnosed as infected with COVID, very few appear to be actually getting sick.

    What is that all about?

    It’s not that bad most of the time but we are a society of cowards.

  68. @Paleo Liberal

    You & your folks have all my sympathies.

    • Thanks: Paleo Liberal
  69. Anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Another PROJECT FEAR press briefing! Relentlessly trying to create a false narrative of young people as disease vector.

    Reality check:

    Here’s what we know about people who’ve died in the US from coronavirus By Nicole Chavez, Amanda Watts and Janine Mack, CNN Updated 9:49 AM ET, Wed March 18, 2020

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-united-states-deaths/index.html

    Read this list and try to construe a threat to the general public. You can’t do it. It’s PROJECT FEAR and a total lie that is driving us into an unnecessary economic catastrophe.

    THERE IS ESSENTIALLY NO THREAT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

    Compare 22,000 have died from the regular flu in the USA alone and the flu victims are skewing unusually young and healthy this year. But that is not news.

  70. @Anonymous

    HEALTHY PEOPLE NOT IN DANGER IN ITALY

    Meaning the people dying were already in serious trouble from other serious diseases. Avg age is 80.

    This is like the old 1980s AIDS playbook where the specific threat to a niche population is dishonestly transferred to the population at large.

    Yes, and like AIDS in the 1980’s, you’re not allowed to question official dogma.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  71. guest007 says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    The media has had reports that Trader Joes and Wholel Foods have also been stripped along with the Asian supermarkets.

    https://www.arlnow.com/2020/03/13/arlington-grocery-stores-packed-as-residents-stock-up/

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
  72. Curle says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “In fact, I am a bit surprised that the media haven’t done any profiles of people who have actually died.”

    How would it amplify a Left Wing meme? Here’s the math: tends to amplify Left Wing meme = newsworthy.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  73. @TBA

    This has been discussed extensively in other comment threads.

    Your conclusions are largely incorrect.

  74. @TBA

    Unlike Golf with its scheduled play, Skiing is a sport where everyone’s trying to do the same thing at the same time. Everyone drives into the parking lot as close to 8:30 as possible, everyone lines up for lift tickets and rentals at the same time. A huge lunch crowd packs into the lodge and cafeteria lines, lined up nuts to butts. Noses run and are wiped with hands or gloves. Tables are shared and the next party sits as soon as the first one leaves, mostly without any cleaning besides sweeping off the trash. And bathrooms are inconvenient when wearing lots of gear and heavy boots. Lots of kids everywhere.

    • Agree: El Dato
  75. Jack D says:
    @Curle

    Sure it would. “This racist Trump created epidemic has now carried off our beloved [insert name of older celebrity, especially one that is black, female and/or Leftist here].”

    I just heard a podcast from David Simon, producer of the HBO Plot Against America series. Naturally he compared the fictional Lindbergh to Trump but what struck me most is that he said (based on nothing) that Trump is anti-black. Now to say that Trump is anti-immigrant (and therefore arguably anti-Latino) is not crazy. But, AFAIK, Trump has never said or done ANYTHING “racist” against American blacks and has nothing but nice things to say about black people. They are just assuming that as a bad person (i.e. someone who is not a liberal Democrat) Trump must be anti-black the same way some idiots here assume that any historical figure they don’t like is a Jew. It’s the same level of irrationality.

  76. @Anonymous

    THERE IS ESSENTIALLY NO THREAT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

    Heresy! Who are you to question what has been revealed?

  77. Jack D says:
    @BB753

    Please enlighten us as to his evil deeds.

    • Replies: @BB753
  78. @El Dato

    Corporations are people, too!

  79. @dearieme

    Why are british people like this? And hilariously you are wrong it’s specifically a term for non-royals. Humiliating.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  80. FPD72 says:
    @RichardTaylor

    “1968, there was a pandemic flu virus that killed at least 100,000 Americans. Anybody hear of it at the time? LOL”

    Yeah, I heard of it. It was commonly referred to as “the Asian flu.” When I went home from college for Thanksgiving, both of my parents came down with it. I became symptomatic the day after I got back to school and was checked into the student infirmary with a temperature of 104. I lost nearly a week of classes which impacted my grades that semester.

  81. So it appears the herd immunity theory is going nicely for Britain.

    I did notice on the Imperial College London page they have a box where you can click to view videos. The headline reads “Go to Video’s.” For a bunch of big-brained Brits to make such a rookie grammatical mistake as that is a head-scratcher. Makes you wonder what else they get wrong.

  82. @Tiny Duck

    My doctor said that I’m more at risk because of how much blood is required to circulate to my fourteen inch dick. We all know Asians like you and learist have small dick and wouldn’t be surprised if like everything else in life the bruthas are lying. I’m more than willing to bear that extra risk.

  83. El Dato says:
    @BB753

    Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Internet Research Institute?

  84. @guest007

    There is no relief from the hoarders.

  85. VanSpeyk says:

    I am surprised no one here has mentioned yet that among a certain group of right-wingers in America, Tom Hanks is anything but the likeable man that he is to the rest of the country. To Qanon nutbaggers Hanks is (of course) a vile pedophile. When Mr. Hanks posts pictures of abandoned clothing he finds along his walks, they see something very dark in this.

    I am curious, Mr Sailer, what do you think about a movement like Qanon? I know you do not believe it, obviously. But what do you think about the fact that so many people, especially of your generation it seems, have fallen for it? What does it say about American society that people are so quick to believe in fantastical, deeply horrific stories about their fellow countrymen? I would like to hear your opinion of this rather sad group of people.

  86. El Dato says:
    @Federalist

    That doesn’t help at all.

    What do you want, let the virus rip through the population so that everyone can have a go at a bit of pneumonia with lifelong scarring on top?

    Then when the hospitals are full then it’s suddenly NEARLY-HEALTHY PEOPLE SUDDENLY IN DANGER IN ${COUNTRY}. Enjoy staying in a tent shelter with appendicitis.

    • Replies: @Federalist
  87. @Kylie

    I’m in my 60s, with respiratory allergies. As of now, there are no known cases of the virus in my small town. I’m self-isolating anyway because it’s sensible and responsible.

    Stay safe–isolated–Kylie. We don’t want to lose you.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @Bill Jones
  88. dearieme says:
    @Sam Haysom

    It’s not specifically a term for anyone at all in Britain. I’m guessing that the American expression, if you insist on applying it abroad, would mean the Head of State or, if he’s male, his wife.

    Why on earth anyone would apply it to the wife of a PM defeats me; ordinary American cultural imperialism, I suppose.

  89. Abe says:
    @Abe

    Tom Hanks is a great guy, an American patriot whom I am proud to be a fellow citizen of. He’s a universally popular man. It’s hard to imagine who ranks much higher than Tom Hanks,

    Corey Feldman just came out with a documentary claiming Charlie Sheen raped his buddy, Corey Haim, on the set of the 80’s teen movie LUCA. Steve wryly calls himself an anti-influencer, yet effortlessly tosses off incredibly crunchy memes (he’s the Jimmy Page of intellectual improvisation), one shining example of which being his call (way before #MeToo took off) for the abolishment of child actors in Hollywood movies for reasons exactly such as this. Has St. Tom of the Order of the Buddies Bosom done even THAT much?

    Based on Steve’s observation about the dangers of Hollywood to young boys (and men), I am pretty much now CONVINCED that behind the “True Hollywood” story of every ‘tragic’ and ‘star-crossed’ young actor who either died or suddenly faded away in his prime, there is the untold truth of his rape or molestation by some Hollywood scumbag, particularly if said actor was renowned for his beauty.

    * Corey Haim (suicide)
    * James Dean (motoring “accident”)
    * Paul Walker (motoring “accident”)
    * Jared Leto (walked away from acting)
    * John Travolta (Scientology)

    Tom Hanks has always been goofy-looking and so I wouldn’t be surprised was mostly left alone at the start of his career. He has never spoken against the culture of sexual abuse in Hollywood. He almost certainly applauded as loud as anyone when convicted sex offender Roman Polanski got his Oscar, was chummy with Woody Allen and Harvey Weinstein, and is currently as #BelieveTheWoman as [email protected]! now that this is convenient for his career.

    Hanks has NEVER bucked the system or stood up for anyone but himself. Way down on my list of American patriots who paid the price for their ideals and yet WAY WAY above Hanks would be Mel Gibson, who paid the price for his wacky sado-Catholicism . Way above Gibson on my list of American patriots is YOU, Steve.

  90. Mr. Anon says:
    @JimB

    Nazia? Seriously? Is that the feminine form of Nazi?

    C’mon. This is the current year. The correct, inclusive term is Nazix

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @JimB
  91. J.Ross says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    There is actually a club of middle class ski enthusiasts who are black. NPR talked about them once in the context of historical ski resort racism.

    • Replies: @Spangel
    , @Bardon Kaldian
  92. njguy73 says:
    @International Jew

    Yes, but not because iSteve readers aren’t good people. We just dislike being around stupid people, i.e. the vast majority of the human race.

  93. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I had the same thought. N.meningitidis is usually not thought of as an std, but it has hit hard sexually active gay men in urban centers throughout the US. I expect we will see something similar with Corona virus.

    Intimate contact is a great way to spread any disease.

  94. J.Ross says:

    I’m calling for the immediate recognition that the ACLU is a terrorist group at war with the United States.

    • Replies: @Charon
    , @keypusher
  95. @Peter T

    Canada’s first lady: the queen.

    Elizabeth or Justin Trudeau?

    • LOL: Cortes, kaganovitch
  96. Anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    This virus will be viewed as Peak-Boomer, when a politically influential demographic chose to run the economy straight into the ground rather than face some health risks later in life. When you consider every way in which the Boomers have nuked our society, this is really just the cherry on the sunday.

    If this virus were affecting any other demographic (say, young children) or occurred in any other time, makeshift wards would be set up for the infected, likely using commandeered gymnasiums. It would be grim, but life would soldier on. But for the Boomers, nope, everything comes to a halt.

    Sorry, Steve and Jack D, blame the Silents all you want, but the vast majority from your generation are odious.

  97. @Whiskey

    Biden is a lock to beat Trump. Guaranteed. No way he can lose.

    Iirc, you were convinced President Obama wouldn’t leave office when his term was up too. I think i’ll hold off on aliyah just yet.

  98. @Anonymous

    The point of this whole exercise may be to get people to demand a vaccine, i.e. make the quarantine so miserable that the adults who normally avoid and resist vaccines will agree to do it. This is a fast tracked vaccine to a highly contagious illness. What could possibly go wrong?

    • Replies: @Smithsonian_6
  99. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    I’d keep an eye on the Tom Hanks business. He has the means to hire his own hospital staff, and set up an infirmary in his guest house. He’s got full blown diabetes, so his recovery isn’t so cut and dried. He can rally, then go south in a day.

    Keep your eye on the Hanks.

    • Replies: @vinny
  100. R. says:

    “Let this be the final lost pacifier of 2019! Hanx”

  101. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    Hanks has NEVER bucked the system or stood up for anyone but himself. Way down on my list of American patriots who paid the price for their ideals and yet WAY WAY above Hanks would be Mel Gibson, who paid the price for his wacky sado-Catholicism . Way above Gibson on my list of American patriots is YOU, Steve.

    Hanks helped write, cast, direct, and PRODUCED the greatest WWII series ever filmed to date, “band of brothers.” Creating that series was an amazing creative undertaking, and he was right in the middle of it. Without Hanks, it probably wouldn’t have been done. His charitable donations to veterans? Ask Gary Sinese how he feels about Tom Hanks.

    You don’t know wtf you’re talking about. Go back to your video games. Or better yet, watch a skilled recreation of an incident that actually occurred in WWII, it’s existence thanks in part to Hanks, based on eyewitness accounts.

    THEN go fuck yourself:

  102. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Read this list and try to construe a threat to the general public. You can’t do it. It’s PROJECT FEAR and a total lie that is driving us into an unnecessary economic catastrophe.”

    Are you a medical expert? What qualifications do you have here that what you say is unequivocal truth? Furthermore, please write a rebuttal to Mr. Sailer’s “Reasons For Hope” post. Make sure your research is thorough.

  103. @dearieme

    You aren’t in Britain. Just take the L britfag. Stop spinning you aren’t likable, witty or smart enough to get away with it

    • Thanks: Bragadocious
    • Troll: Charon, Alan Mercer
    • Replies: @J.Ross
  104. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “This virus will be viewed as Peak-Boomer…”

    By yourself and those of your ilk. But not to the normal rest of us.

    “when a politically influential demographic chose to run the economy straight into the ground rather than face some health risks later in life.”

    Coronavirus does not exclusively target “Boomers”. It is indiscriminate.

    “When you consider every way in which the Boomers have nuked our society…”

    That would be a mischaracterization on your part.

    “If this virus were affecting any other demographic…”

    Wake up, it impacts EVERY demographic.

    “but the vast majority from your generation are odious.”

    Only a few people think that way. For most normies, Boomers are OK (as is being White).

  105. @RichardTaylor

    Hanks also said America declared war on the Japanese in 1941 because we were “racist.” I wouldn’t watch him in anything ever again after that (well, his crying jag at the Oscars over his gay acting teacher who died of AIDS already pretty much soured me on him). Steve’s effusive praise of this creep is so over the top it almost seems like parody, but perhaps not- he’s previously said he thinks contemporary actors are MUCH better than actors of the past, which tells you plenty about his values.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
  106. @Corvinus

    How do you know most normies view that it’s acceptable to be white? You don’t cite any credible sources to back up this subjective claim. And in the final analysis, it is only subjective.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  107. Whiskey says: • Website
    @kaganovitch

    Obama didn’t leave office. Not really: Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, the FBI supervisor and his DOJ married mistress etc.

    That’s the Resistance.

    So I was sadly right yet again. I hate being right.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  108. anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:

    Lol. Tom Hanks a great American? This is the same guy with a Wigger B-Rad rapper son, who goes by Chet Haze.

    Not exactly Paul Newman.

  109. @Anonymous

    Yeah, those 4 are key.

    And 5) when are we going to realize that ALL Chinese “Americans” are actually a hostile 5th column inside the USA. I would suggest deporting every single one, including 2nd and 3rd generation.

    This madness being pushed by Chinese “Americans” about their fear of “racism” because orange man is calling it the Chinese Virus (which is true), and actively pushing the Chicom propaganda lines, shows that they are not Americans and never will be.

  110. utu says:
    @anonymous

    Saving Private Ryan (1998) and Band of Bothers (2001) were made in the wake of Tom Brokaw’s The Greatest Generation book and extensive TV programming. Brokaw was just following what was anticipated and outlined in 1993 Clash of Civilizations of Samuel P. Huntington. In retrospect one can imagine all of this was conditioning and preparation for the wars in the Middle East after 9/11 to have self-motivated young canon fodder. You do not have to blame yourself that you were taken for a ride as probably you were young in late 1990s and you were the target of the psy-op that was more sophisticated than you. But now 20 years later that’s another story. I would agree that “Hanks has NEVER bucked the system.” He is a part of the system. And the system rewards him very well.

  111. “Tom Hanks is a great guy, an American patriot whom I am proud to be a fellow citizen of.”

    what planet is Steve Sailer on?

    Tom Hanks hates Republicans, Trump, and America.

    i knew that Steve’s unconditional commitment to the movie industry was warping his perspective but this is crossing over into boomer goober world.

    Tom Hanks doesn’t like normal Americans, Steve. wake up. he deliberately mocked them for voting Trump. he took direct aim at the trucks and guns crowd. muh jobz.

    this was one of Steve’s worst posts ever in 20 years. as bad as if he were defending african NBA players as among America’s best people. totally clueless. as bad at Charlie Kirk pleading for orange juggleball to come back.

    next up, Steve praises Warren Buffett as one of our great Americans.

    • Replies: @Danindc
  112. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    11:50 am, used the last ply of toilet paper on the roll, had to wash hands thoroughly, it’s not bounty.

  113. kihowi says:
    @anonymous

    Let’s hope no actor ever gets to play Tom Hanks in a biopic, because that would make him the greatest WWII hero of all time.

  114. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @FPD72

    OK interesting experience you had with a 1968 flu. But it was just considered a bad flu year right? They didn’t shut down businesses? The stock market didn’t crash did it?

    Why is that happening now I wonder.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  115. The Z Blog says: • Website

    Baltimore Mayor Begs Residents To Stop Shooting Each Other So Hospital Beds Can Be Used For Coronavirus Patients

    https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/03/18/we-need-those-beds-baltimore-mayor-urges-people-to-put-down-guns-after-violence-continues-during-covid-19-pandemic/

    • Replies: @anon
  116. kihowi says:
    @dearieme

    I say old man, playing a bad stereotype of a Britisher doesn’t seem to camouflage one’s stupidity, what what?

  117. Covid-19 is barely anything compared to previous pathogens, and we destroyed our economy for no good reason at all. well, the Democrat media destroyed it, by deliberately creating hysteria. Trump is now forced to respond to the hysteria, rather than the virus itself, which is relatively minor.

    View post on imgur.com

    the risk assessment did not make sense. NO, it DID NOT make sense to overreact in a ‘better safe than sorry’ manner. about 38,000 people were killed in car crashes last year – we accept the risk and we do not ban vehicles.

  118. @anonymous

    Wow, an actor made a movie, what a hero.

    Again, any chance he stands up for actual Americans in the face of their constant disparagement by his hollywood buddies? No. Any chance that if asked about the horrible, awful views of Steve Sailer (the guy praising and defending him in this post) that he doesn’t take a very public shit on him? It is to laugh.

    Once more Steve’s desire to signal rubbing elbows with the mainstream that hates his guts overshadows a sensible point about how badly this is affecting health workers and people who actually DO sacrifice of themselves for others, unlike hollywood prostitutes.

    Steve’s celebrity worship makes me cringe, Tom Hanks is a great American Patriot just like Jordan Peele’s a secret conservative subverting hollywood from the inside.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
    • Replies: @anonymous
  119. Daniel H says:

    Here is one thing that is certain. When this whole thing has passed, the hysteria has died down, and the economy jump starts and temporarily roars back, there will be bipartisan political consensus – Chuck Schumer and Lindsay Graham will break bread on this – that America needs MORE immigration to get the country moving again, and that all those illegally here will need to be immediately amnestied and that it was the lack of transparent borders that exacerbated this crisis and so we need open borders. This is certain.

  120. @RichardTaylor

    “In 1968, there was a pandemic flu virus that killed at least 100,000 Americans. Anybody hear of it at the time?”

    GDP growth in 1968 was about 5%, when 100 thousand citizens were being killed by a flu people barely noticed. the population was about 200 million as well, so per capita deaths were about 60% higher. note that the US was in Vietnam at the time and the flu killed about twice as many people in a year or two as US military personnel killed in action over 10 years.

    America is just not the same place anymore and the risk tolerance is now about zero.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  121. Spangel says:
    @J.Ross

    They’re probably good skiers.

  122. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Is eating a bat considered a wholesome (much less healthy) activity?

    Ty Cob thinks so:

    • LOL: Svevlad
  123. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:

    Bad guys are Corona free. Bad guys rule.

  124. Anonymous[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    This virus will be viewed as Peak-Boomer, when a politically influential demographic chose to run the economy straight into the ground rather than face some health risks later in life. be viewed as Peak-Boomer, when a politically influential demographic chose to run the economy straight into the ground rather than face some health risks later in life.

    The deaths from this virus will be far less then the 2009 flu, the 1968 virus, the 1958 virus and minuscule compared to the Spanish flu. It’s like they’re throwing a collective hissy fit. Stock market under 20,000 now. Looks like they brought us a depression.

    Thanks boomers!

  125. @dearieme

    Why on earth anyone would apply it to the wife of a PM defeats me; ordinary American cultural imperialism, I suppose.

    British media refer to “the American president”. That sounds quite un-American.

  126. @Abe

    Jared Leto (walked away from acting)

    And civilization in general. Not that acting is civilized, mind you.

    Jared Leto was on a retreat and missed the coronavirus news

  127. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Hanks is a kind of modern-day Jimmy Stewart isn’t he?

    I seen him in a movie on cable tv where he played a ship captain taken hoatage by Somali pirates. I thought it was quite well done.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  128. Charon says:
    @Anon

    You’ve been smacked down by the Corvinus. That’s pretty much the worst humiliation imaginable. Good thing at least you had the sense to post anonymously.

  129. keypusher says:
    @Paleo Liberal

    More prosaically, people go to the big box stores in cars, so they can carry away more stuff. The local small and mid-sized markets in Washington Heights are much better stocked that the big grocery stores in Jersey.

  130. epebble says:
    @El Dato

    Italy (2978 dead, 475 just today) will pass the grim milestone of exceeding China in having most deaths tomorrow.

    The yellow line looks like someone typed an exponential function into a graphing calculator.

  131. @Jack D

    They are just assuming that as a bad person (i.e. someone who is not a liberal Democrat) Trump must be anti-black the same way some idiots here assume that any historical figure they don’t like is a Jew. It’s the same level of irrationality.

    Just as an anti-Semite is someone that the Jews dislike, an anti-black racist is someone that the blacks dislike.

  132. @Kylie

    Milennials aren’t really that resentful towards Boomers, who tend to be their parents. It’s the folks who are 25 and younger, “Zoomers.” And they are more insufferable than even the most insufferable boomer. Pointlessly edgy, short attention spans, low class interests even among the college-educated ones…

    Also terrible sense of style, and bizarre embrace of homo chic.

  133. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    All crazy stuff. Hanks? You must be kidding. Crummy movies. Hardcore Military-Industrial-Class Booster of the first water. Smarmy self-congratulation. You just like him because you like to name-drop.

    The reason celebrity scumbags that you think are so wonderful but are the actual vile ones seem to be “getting” the plague more than others is because they are getting tested more than others–jumping the queue, getting tested way ahead of the commoners who you think are so dirty and vile, you chump (a technical term beloved in California, and eminently suited to you).

  134. Charon says:
    @J.Ross

    Just think of all the “new voters” they can register! This will help to make up for reduced invasion over the Rio Grande.

  135. keypusher says:
    @J.Ross

    I’m not a fan of the ACLU, but releasing 10,000 people over the age of 60 (or some smaller number presenting additional risk factors) is probably not going to lead to mayhem in the streets.

  136. J.Ross says:

    MINITRUTH DAYORDER OLDSPEAK “SPANISH FLU” WRONGTHINK NEWSPEAK “1918 FLU” IF YOU NEED HELP CONSULT EIGHTH NEWSPEAK DICTIONARY NINTH I MEAN NINTH GOD DAMN IT IF YOU NEED HELP CONSULT THE NINTH NEWSPEAK DICTIONARY WHAT NO NO I SAID NINTH NO
    Wikipedia and the CDC have no materials on “Spanish Flu.” It has always been called the “1918 Flu.” This is not an attempt to make Trump look wrong for saying “Chinese Flu.” There is nothing more important right now for the CDC to worry about.

    Bonus: engineer become tranny turns out to be violently insane

    https://t.co/tUrKNbdxip?amp=1

  137. I have a friend who was called up to jury duty in LA and saw Tom Hanks there, also having reported to his jury duty summons(!!!). He was excused on principle, with everyone being shocked he didn’t ask for his easily-acquired federal. He seems to have been shocked that I) he would be excused and ii) people didn’t actually do their jury duty when asked.
    Easily the most “real” guy and biggest holder of civic virtue in the modern era

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  138. Charon says:

    MSNBC: Coronavirus proves that if Trump is re-elected we all die!

    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/david-plouffe-on-potential-second-trump-term-we-may-not-survive-it-80894021743

    Just a quick scan of their front page. A few dozen ‘Trump is a Satanic Liar Who Wants to Kill Black Babies’ stories with a good leavening of ‘Trump is preventing us from getting enough coronavirus tests to every citizen!’

    Typical MSM, in short.

  139. Abe says:
    @anonymous

    Hanks helped write, cast, direct, and PRODUCED the greatest WWII series ever filmed to date, “band of brothers.” Creating that series was an amazing creative undertaking, and he was right in the middle of it. Without Hanks, it probably wouldn’t have been done.

    Wow, the great patriot Tom Hanks did everything except, you know, actually serve in the armed forces of the country he’s so gosh darn gun-ho about. And strange how his bank account seems to grow with every great patriotic exertion.

    What about acknowledging those who actually gave up something for their country? Pat Tillman and 100’s of 1000’s of other anonymous nobodies who gave up their limbs and lives with no recompense or great recognition instead of some phony, spoiled Hollywood re-enactor?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @keypusher
  140. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    I think Steve’s reason for hope piece is excellent but this is a fast moving crisis the economy is being crushed.

    Vegas casinos stopped.

    Big 3 auto corps stopped.

    Wall Street estimating -15% GDP growth on deck.

    NO BETTER WAY TO INCREASE MORTALITY ACROSS THE BOARD IN A COUNTRY THAN TO CRASH ITS ECONOMY LIKE THIS.

    The gov checks are a ludicrous band aid …

    • Troll: Corvinus
  141. keypusher says:
    @Abe

    * Corey Haim (suicide)
    * James Dean (motoring “accident”)
    * Paul Walker (motoring “accident”)
    * Jared Leto (walked away from acting)
    * John Travolta (Scientology)

    You’ve identified five actors over about 70 years. Two of whom didn’t die and two of whom were killed in car crashes, not scare-quotes “accidents.” Bathtubs and icy sidewalks are deadlier, to say nothing of coronavirus.

    • Replies: @Abe
  142. Speaking of the unwholesome, here’s a classic NYT piece that, as Steve has shown us, buries the lede, which in this case is a classic lesbian vs. gay story:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/magazine/title-ix-sexual-harassment-accusations.html

    Even after this, not much sympathy for Haven Monahan on display.

  143. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Is eating a bat considered a wholesome (much less healthy) activity?

    Quick answer is bats carry a lot of unpleasantry, including viruses, without being stricken, as the virus’ host. Bats are excellent carriers. They are highly social, so disease is freely traded in the batcave. When bat’s take flight, their body temperature goes significantly higher than we can generate in our bodies without quickly dying. Their body temperatures reach that level every day, and viruses are in for the ride. Viruses that survive the temp gain, remain in the bat’s system.

    Because the viruses in bats, in order to survive in bats, must be able to withstand higher temperatures, when a virus from a bat is successfully transferred to a human, the human body’s regular M.O. of raising body temperature to kill the virus is rendered ineffective. Nobody, anywhere in the world, should be eating bats. If they do, it’s not a question of “if,” it’s a question of “when.”

    What’s it like to eat a bat? What’s it like for a westerner to eat a bat?

    There’s no concievable way to make this pleasant…

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  144. syonredux says:

    The WOKE understand the real tragedy…..

    There’s no “good” time for a global pandemic to cripple the entertainment industry, but 2020 was supposed to be a big year for non-Disney blockbusters and global hits directed by women and minorities.

    The final bitter irony is that this was the year where many of the year’s biggest movies were going to be directed by (and featuring) woman and/or minorities. Cathy Yan’s Birds of Prey already fumbled, but Nik Caro’s Mulan was tracking for an $80-$90 million domestic debut and Cate Shortland’s Black Widow was supposed to kick off the summer in high style. The MCU prequel would be followed by Justin Lin’s F9: The Fast Saga, Patty Jenkins’ Wonder Woman 1984, Nia DeLaCosta’s Candyman, Jon M. Chu’s In the Heights and James Wan’s Malignant. Chloé Zhao’s Eternals may still open as planned in November, but that’s speculative. Even Jason Reitman’s Ghostbusters: Afterlife was centered on Mckenna Grace while Jamie Foxx’s Soul was Pixar’s first toon centered on a black protagonist.

    Had things gone as planned, the year’s biggest domestic grosser was probably going to be a female-led superhero movie from a female director, while the year’s biggest global grosser was probably going to be an ethnicity diverse action movie from an Asian director (and whose prime new hook was the resurrection of a popular Asian character, Sung Kang’s Han). If audiences only see superhero movies, horror movies and specific “big” franchise films in theaters, it mattered that many of these respective installments had female and/or minority directors. These films will still presumably play theatrically, and they may still earn as much as they otherwise would have. But the overwhelming effect/impact/lesson of these (likely) consecutive successes, well, of course this is the year that gets sidetracked by a global pandemic.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/03/18/coronavirus-hollywood-box-office-disney-f9-mulan-black-widow-wonder-woman/#dab09d1f00a7

  145. LondonBob says:
    @SteveM

    As Ferguson says Westminster is a centre of Wuhan Flu contagion, several politicians diagnosed and many more in self isolation. Politicians aren’t terribly young and healthy yet we have recoveries with no deaths. Even James Delingpole thought he had it back at the end of January after staying in London hotel full of Chinese.

    https://ricochet.com/podcast/london-calling/my-corona-2/

    Must be the lack of underlying conditions, milder strain?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

  146. Jack D says:
    @kaganovitch

    I think Whiskey may be one of those guys who has negative predictive value – whatever he predicts is going to happen DOESN’T happens. A soothsayer who is consistently wrong is just as good as one who is consistently right because all you have to do is bet the opposite of what he predicts. So maybe Trump can sleep more soundly tonight.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  147. @El Dato

    That doesn’t help at all.

    You make my point. I’m unhelpful by questioning the official narrative.

  148. Realist says:
    @Tiny Duck

    How come Africans and most other People of Color do not seem to be that effected?

    The virus only attacks those with an IQ>70

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anon
  149. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abe

    What about acknowledging those who actually gave up something for their country? Pat Tillman and 100’s of 1000’s of other anonymous nobodies who gave up their limbs and lives with no recompense or great recognition instead of some phony, spoiled Hollywood re-enactor?

    If you ever rent “Band of Brothers,” you’ll get the treat of many individual interviews from the actual soldiers who served on D-day, and beyond, depicted in the movie. If you watch the movie, you’ll see those soldiers stories credibly recreated for the screen. Unfortunately, a pesky concept of “reality” that I suppose might be your greatest enemy rears it’s ugly head, making it impossible for Tom Hanks to tell every soldiers individual story in the same way.

    The point of the WWII movies Tom Hanks has participated in, is to serve as a warning to others about what real war is like, as much as possible on a movie or television screen, so that we might avoid more Pat Tillman stories in the future. Without these movies, most Gen Z’er’s would only have a slight clue of what WWII was, if they were aware of it at all, and these Marvel and Star Wars movies might give them the idea that going to war is like being in a video game. Furthermore, his war movies provide a way for WWII veterans to communicate to their own families the sacrifice they made in a way they couldn’t possibly do themselves, nor would most of them want to, and that is if they’re still alive.

    And before you go on, I’m well aware that being stuck in a jungle on a moonless night with no sleep, and the knowledge that enemy search parties are looking for me creates a feeling of terror that can’t be matched by anything I see on a movie screen, much less having my leg blown off, but that’s the shortcoming of the art form, not a shortcoming of Tom Hanks.

    Anyway, what the fuck do you have to show, to match what Tom Hanks has done for the benefit of veterans, besides half a brain and a big mouth? Where’s your fucking laundry list of good works?

    Maybe you really need to shut up.

  150. Perhaps the higher cabin pressure and humidity Boeing 787 Dreamliner with the carbon fiber fuselage would be a better choice…

    Perhaps, but perhaps Mr. and Mrs. Hanks would do even better in a Gulfstream G650. (Maybe they do.) It has an even higher cabin pressure (4,100 ft.) at a higher altitude than the Boeing, and it can fly over it and get there faster.

    Life is like a box of chocolates.

    • Replies: @danand
  151. @Smithsonian_2

    On the bright side, there will be a large and growing cohort of now-immune healthcare workers keeping ahead of the epidemic curve.

    Once the Tom Hanks’ of the world have recovered, why should they have to live on lockdown like everybody else. If they are, indeed, immune from re-catching or transmitting the damn thing they should treat themselves to a nice cruise or Italian ski vacation (I hear the lift lines are substantially reduced.)

    As the virus burns a “flattened curve” through our population a new class system will have to develop in order to separate the immune from the non-immune. But how will we verify who is really immune, and who is just “passing” for immune?

    (One interesting dynamic is that one non-immune person mingling with the immune is no danger to either group. But if too many non-immunes try to get away with this they will start infecting each other and then spreading the virus generally.)

    Perhaps the New York Times will start to rail against those flaunting their “immune privilege” at the expense of those who were too poor to contract the virus in the first wave. Perhaps joining the immune club will be so attractive that people will voluntarily get infected. It will be an interesting sociological experiment.

    • Replies: @Travis
  152. @dearieme

    The wife of the Prime Minister should be the “Prime Lady.” Duh.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  153. @J.Ross

    Yes, I think I’ve read about black ski enthusiasts in a ski resort. As I recall, it was Kansas or Missouri, and not Wyoming or Oregon. It was an article in National Geographic (I could have mixed up things, I’m not sure…)

  154. I just want to point out my comment from 6 days ago on the 1952 Copenhagen polio epidemic

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=SimpleSong

    And today’s article in the Atlantic:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/doctor-who-had-innovate-or-else/608227/

    A fairly obscure event in ICU history that frankly most physicians have never even heard of… what are the odds…

    You’ve been OUTED, Conor Friesdorf! I want my royalty check!

    Just kidding send a check to Steve instead, if you have any decency…

  155. @anonymous

    You’re rhapsodizing about a television show and then tell someone else to go back to their video games?

  156. @Anon

    Sorry, Steve and Jack D, blame the Silents all you want, but the vast majority from your generation are odious.

    This entire business of generation slicing is bizarre, weirder than astrology.

  157. Wielgus says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Forbes magazine reported some Goldman Sachs teleconference on the virus which reckoned it was at its worst between 30th Parallel North and 50th Parallel North. This covers a good chunk of Europe, Asia and North America but leaves out most of Africa. It also reckoned the virus likes cold weather and might start to ease off by May. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
  158. danand says:
    @El Dato

    “This is not the altitude graph of a SpaceX device!”

    El Dato, speaking of Elon Musk, he is in what he says is a desperate “bid to save his company” (Tesla). He could be right, TSLA peaked @ ~$900 a month ago and is currently ~$375. Musk had planned to raise cash with some type stock swap/offering at a per share valuation of ~$700. Looking back it may have been a mistake for Musk to so publicly dump his support of Trump a couple, three years back.

    The county (Alameda) where his US factory is situated has declared that all non-essential businesses be closed. Musk attempted an end run, declaring his business of “essential” importance. So far, though the authorities have demanded he stop running production, he has refused to comply. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  159. keypusher says:
    @Abe

    There are many sane responses to “I admire Tom Hanks.”

    “BBBBBBut what about Pat Tillman?!?!?” is not among the sane responses. It’s possible to admire more than one person at the same time.

  160. @Jack D

    That makes him one of those anti-influencers that Steve and the NYT told us about awhile back, a “harbinger of failure.” The predictive value is only good if the choice is binary, or if you have a way of shorting or betting against it.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  161. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    By yourself and those of your ilk. But not to the normal rest of us.

    You aren’t normal. You are a deranged imbecile.

    Coronavirus does not exclusively target “Boomers”. It is indiscriminate.

    It disproportionately effects older people, you stupid idiot.

    Is their evidence that morons are especially susceptible to SARS-CoV-2? That would explain your concern.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  162. @Days of Broken Arrows

    When Hanks found this out, he called them back and told them to disregard what his agent had said. He honored his original contract at the same pay grade.

    He was also way ahead of the curve on the whole Trans thing:

  163. J.Ross says:

    Steve, I’m concerned that the public announcements of the suspension of police services (by craven mayors inhumanly exploiting an emergency for political gain) will inspire an unnamed ethnic group, who are responsible for all the Worldstar videos in the world, to go all Worldstar. I just read an anonymous message from someone claiming to be a Los Angalien of Korean ancestry that this has in fact started, right after the bonehead announcements. Are you aware of an uptick in shoplifting, breaking and entering, looting, burglary, etc, in your area?

  164. J.Ross says:
    @Sam Haysom

    Seriously what does this guy contribute that he’s not moderated? RamZPaul has the CDC abdicating their responsibilities to indulge in politics and flak for the Chinese but calling someone a fag goes straight through.

    • Replies: @Sam Haysom
  165. Mr. Anon says:
    @Lot

    When people want to panic bulk buy they go to Costco first, then walmart and target.

    Eventually they get down to every last Walgreens and gas station. Even Staples stores have been cleaned out of TP and hand sanitizer.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  166. danand says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    “cabin pressure (4,100 ft.)”

    Buzz, wow, even an asthmatic could be relatively comfortable at that altitude cabin pressure, pretty amazing. That is one beautiful bird. Glad someone can can/could afford to have it developed and manufactured. Would have to imagine, despite Greta’s objections, and barring armageddon; those G650’s and their cousins are going to become more omnipresent on the tarmac.

  167. @dearieme

    Ironically, “easily oxidized aluminum hulls” would be correct, IMHO.

    Ironically. Yes, a groaner of a bad pun…

    In the ’70s, restoring vintage aircraft, we used to paint and spray 40s- and 50s-era zinc chromate on recently stripped aluminum. Come to think of it, the paint stripper that we used was questionable, of WW2 vintage. No fancy respirators, no gloves, and so on. We did learn that aviation and consumer grade fuel was a wonderful solvent for parts, but not a good thing to clean up with. A B-29 mechanic told us that some guys during WW2 used to douse themselves in aviation fuel to cool off with poor results (some died).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  168. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    For the most part, the people who want to make vaccinations mandatory are the same people who rally around the slogan “My Body, My Choice”.

  169. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1239975682643357696.html

    Finally, the Imperial College team ran the numbers again, assuming a “suppression” strategy: isolate symptomatic cases, quarantine their family members, social distancing for the whole population, all public gatherings/most workplaces shut down, schools and universities close.
    Suppression works! The death rate in the US peaks 3 weeks from now at a few thousand deaths, then goes down. We hit but don’t exceed the number of available ventilators. The nightmarish death tolls from the rest of the study disappear.
    But here’s the catch: if we EVER relax suppression before a vaccine is administered to the entire population, COVID-19 comes right back and kills millions of Americans in a few months, the same as before.

  170. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    2:45 pm, The garbage truck came by and emptied all the bins. No gardener today, maybe tomorrow.

  171. @Hypnotoad666

    Hollywood has always been the Trans Mecca:

  172. @Bill P

    30 years ago nobody would have considered putting us through this economic Armageddon for a flu that killed octogenarians

    It doesn’t even do that (kill octagenarians) very well. I’ve said this before: this thing is, if anything, hitting RBIs.

    The Diamond Princess data is really quite informative: it was a closed environment where people were interacting fairly freely for weeks after the ship was quarantined (i.e., cut off from the rest of the world). It had an age profile that was ‘top heavy’ – much larger proportions of 60+ than the population.

    .

    Of the 216 octagenarians on the boat, there was only 1 death – and 75% of the eighty-somethings tested negative. (29 positive/symptomatic; 21 positive/asymptomatic).

    99.5% of the Diamond Princess‘ octagenarians are non-dead – they must’ve been unrepresentatively healthy, as follows.

    Over the course of a year, a Western octagenarian 80-84 has an unconditional chance of dying, a squooch under 6% (source: US mortality rates by age and gender: 80-84 year olds die at ~5.87% a year).

    For 85+ year olds it’s 13.6% – but that includes those aged 90+, who don’t get their own line item.

    Let’s ballpark it at 8% overall – just being conservative (very conservative since there are more 85+ in the population than 80-84, and 85+s die at 13.6% a year).

    How long’s the average cruise? A month, maybe?

    Making some heroic assumptions about how ‘smooth’ intra-year risk is (i.e., assuming it’s constant month-on-month), we’re after the solution to the following problem:

    For a group with an unconditional risk of death of 8% a year, what is the probability of a single death in any given month for a group size of 216?

    It’s the same type of conditional probability calc as the one that underlies the ‘birthday’ problem – where Pr(2 people in a class have the same birthday) = 0.5

    Anyhow… the probability of a single ‘representative’ octagenarian death in a month from a group of 216 of the old farts is very high. Close to 1.

    So in a very very real (i.e., statistical, actuarial) sense, there were far too many octagenarian survivors on the Diamond Princess. (Assuming that US octagenarians are representative of Western octagenarians, which is probably about right: US healthcare is a staggeringly expensive way to achieve median outcomes).

    This is why it’s possible to declare that the Diamond Princess octagenarians were probably healthier than the average octagenarian (which makes sense: you wouldn’t send a typically-decrepit 80-something relative on a cruise).

    .

    It’s almost persuasive evidence that this is a US-developed weapon:
    • it doesn’t fucking do its job (so is unfit for purpose); and
    • the cost to the economy is politically-driven, and far larger than any benefit/cost analysis could ever justify.

    Conclusion: covid19 is the F35 of pathogens.

    • LOL: Keypusher
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  173. Kylie says:
    @AnotherDad

    Thank you. I really appreciate that. You take care, too.

  174. @Sideshow Bob

    This is a fast tracked vaccine to a highly contagious illness. What could possibly go wrong?

    I really don’t think that final vaccine trials can be ‘fast tracked’. Test subjects spend 12 months under observation after vaccination to make sure that nothing unpleasantly unexpected happens. This cannot be rushed.

  175. J.Ross says:

    Lord Jakey-Boy Rothschild stepping down from RIT Partners to join a freak wave of top level resignations:

    Rothschild
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lord-rothschild-steps-down-after-30-years-at-rit-capital-partners-7jj9bsmjx

    Microsoft
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/bill-gates-leaves-microsoft-board.html
    Disney
    https://apnews.com/323d2e3fa1390925934d9f896456c9ce
    MasterCard
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mastercard-ceo-ajay-banga-to-step-down-at-year-end-chief-product-officer-to-assume-top-job-2020-02-25
    L Brands
    https://www.businessinsider.com/l-brands-ceo-steps-down-company-sells-majority-share-in-victorias-secret-2020-2
    Salesforce
    https://www.businessinsider.com/salesforce-ceo-keith-block-steps-down-marc-beniof-ceo-2020-2
    Uber Eats
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/tech/uber-eats-jason-droege/index.html
    HULU
    https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/03/daily-crunch-hulu-ceo/
    MGM
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/mgm-resorts-ceo-jim-murren-is-stepping-down-shares-jump.html
    IBM
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/ibm-ceo-ginni-rometty-steps-down-arvind-krishna-to-take-over.html
    LinkedIn
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2020/02/05/linkedin-ceo-steps-down-and-focuses-on-increasing-network-diversity/#2168a4d011ed
    Alphabet
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/03/larry-page-google-alphabet-resign-sundar-pichai

    Blackrock CEO
    DefenseStorm CEO
    AXIS chairman
    Bayer AG chairman
    Mastercard Inc CEO
    SIG both CEOs consecutively
    Thomson Reuters CEO and CFO
    European Research Group chairman
    House of Lords David Steel resigned over failure to unmask pedophile MP Cyril Smith
    China Oil Gangran Energy
    Group Holdings Ltd CFO and chairman
    Ormat Technologies Inc CEO
    Government of Malaysia Prime Minister and Health Minister
    Warner Bros VP
    Boeing 2 board members
    Bank of America CEO

    So all these people like skiing?

  176. Tom Hanks’s reaction to Ricky Gervais making fun of Jeffrey Epstein tells us otherwise. All of Hollywood is rotten to the core like you wouldn’t believe.

    • Agree: Daniel H
  177. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Except I am cursed to be always right. It’s terrible. You have no idea. I’d like to be wrong once in a while. It just never happens.

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  178. @FPD72

    There was also a 1957 Asian influenza pandemic but I don’t think it was as serious as the one in 1968.

  179. @RichardTaylor

    I tend to agree. Hanks produced both Band of Brothers and The Pacific along with Spielberg. After watching both one would legitimately wonder how it was possible the same people produced both series’.

    The Band of Brothers was the gold standard of pro Allied propaganda. The characters were THE very best of what America had to offer, in the always justifiable fight against Nazi’s (proxies for white people for the last 3 decades.) The action is intense and the drama gripping.

    The Pacific is 180 degrees the opposite. The characters are mostly dull and forgettable, even John Basilone, who actions in combat rivaled that of any member of the 501st in Europe. They are petty and vindictive with each other, and their situation is depicted as a hopeless quagmire (gee I wonder why?) The entire series shouts “Why are we here?” and is completely lost on the irony.

    When asked about the Pacific theater Hanks’ response was that “We (the US) wanted to annihilate them because they were different.” So you see, killing Germans was patriotic, even though Germany never attacked the US, but fighting Japanese was racist, even though they did attack us.

    Hanks has spent the last 25 years taking roles that allow him to enable his impeccably moral hero fantasy: Jim Lovell, Forest Gump (aka retard nihilist), Captain Miller, Guard Edgecomb, Robert Langdon, Richard Phillips, “Sully,” Ben Bradlee, and of course, Mr. fucking Rodgers. I enjoyed him much more during his coked up 80’s days, before he started taking himself too seriously.

    By what measure is this man a patriot? That has been left unclear.

  180. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    The dream of someone who grew up on videogames and pringles.

  181. Western says:
    @SteveM

    My county won’t even test someone unless they have serious respiratory symptoms, which means having difficulty breathing. It didn’t look like the celebrities were in that condition.

    Why are these people being tested?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  182. El Dato says:
    @Anonymous

    Read this list and try to construe a threat to the general public. You can’t do it.

    This is coming out of the brain of someone who knows he’s currently sitting on the ascending branch of the exponential tracing people infected.

    THERE IS ESSENTIALLY NO THREAT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

    People over 60 = Not the general public.

    The general public = Not bothered by overflowing hospitals and burnt-out medical personnel.

    Compare 22,000 have died from the regular flu in the USA alone

    Generally, there are vaccines against flu and it’s a known disease with known ways to handle patients. If 22’000 people die of it regardless, what does that tell you? It’s the same fallacy as the one that NASA allowed itself with the Space Shuttle booster O rings.

  183. M_Young says:
    @Tiny Duck

    I noticed that . Contra Lance Welton’s columns at Vdare, it might be Africans and their diaspora that are relatively immune.

  184. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, the British media refer to “the American president”. It’s exactly like how they refer to the Italian/French/Dutch/etc Prime Minister.

    I agree that it can sound odd. It also sounds odd when they say “Miami, United States” or “Denver, United States” instead of city and state.

  185. @Kylie

    Stay safe. I’m certain you already know that, but it would be good to have some spare face masks, oxygen masks & tanks plus usual stuff (strong healthy food, vit-min supplements, lemon, tea, as well as allergy medications you probably already use). COPD people are especially at risk.

    Boomers are the new Kulaks.

  186. @anonymous

    What do you mean by, “Ask Gary Sinese how he feels about Tom Hanks.”?

  187. “One unexpected aspect of COVID-19 is that (so far) it is striking society’s most respectable members hardest.”

    What unsupported drivel. What’s ” striking society’s most respectable members hardest.” is testing.
    No-one knows what the rate is among the homeless because they are not being tested.

    Are you sure you’re feeling OK Sailer?
    You’re starting to ramble.
    You might want to get that looked at.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
  188. CCZ says:

    But CHEERS was way ahead of (flattening) the curve:

  189. vinny says:
    @anonymous

    Hanks was released from the hospital a couple days ago. Now doing the self-isolation thing.

    • Replies: @George
  190. Who the fuck is Tom Hanks? an actor, a court jester, an example of our twisted vision of value, and a rumored pedophile. Every movie this jerk did was propaganda bullshit. Allow him to enjoy his life here, he may not be so comfortable on the other side.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @anon
  191. @Anonymous

    Think about the crime.

    If this drags on for more than a few weeks I can see crime skyrocketing.

    There will be a lot of angry, desperate people out there that didn’t save for a rainy day looking to take their frustrations on those who were smart enough to set something aside.

    Prepare accordingly.

  192. Bleuteaux says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s another de facto “tax” on the healthy, active, and particularly young.

    This thing mutates frequently? What are we going to do, shut down civilization for 8 fucking weeks every winter? Do we do that already with flu season? Are we going to be asked to do that for the Boomers as they age, as part of the endless worship that generation demands?

  193. @kaganovitch

    “I think I’ll hold off on Aaliyah just yet.”

    Behold the stunning loyalty of Fellow Americans. Aux armes, citoyens!

    After all, SHTF hasn’t happened quite just yet, so, no need to scramble for the El Al ticket counter right now, when there’s still wars to be started, coupons to be clipped, and plenty more cows to be milked. You can go all “Next year in Jerusalem” in say 20 more years.

    Then again, you’ll have nothing to fear from President Abrams yourselves. Her ability to kick down the doors of White people will largely be due to the tireless efforts of Fellow Americans in the first place, and some gratitude is in order.

  194. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Bill Jones

    Steve is being held hostage. It’s a coded message and a plea for rescue.

    Rob Reiner kidnapped him for his real estate comedy. Meathead ran out of comedy writers so Steve is literally locked in the closet with a dwarf, R Kelly and the other Tom.

    No sane person would refer to Celebutards as respectable. It’s Kardashians all the way down. Not much difference between Hanks and The Situation save money. Steves being held prisoner.

    We need to rescue Steve now!

    • LOL: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  195. @Kratoklastes

    the cost to the economy is politically-driven, and far larger than any benefit/cost analysis could ever justify.

    The real economic fallout from this has not begun to be felt yet. It is going to be horrific.

    The more cynical part of me wonders if the euthanization of the economy was done so the Deep State can swoop in and say, “hey everyone, the military is hiring!” to recently unemployed folks that can’t afford not to have a paycheck coming in.

    By doing so, they could massively expand the manpower in the military.

    The Deep State imperialists would love to do something like that in preparation for a war with Iran, possibly China.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
  196. Danindc says:
    @prime noticer

    Not his best post, agreed. Plus Hanks raised shitty kids. Bad sign.

  197. Nick Diaz says:

    If you want to increase your odds of surviving COVID-19, the best thing you can do is to purchase oxygen tanks and oxygen masks. Most of the people under 70 or so that dies from this coronavirus strain dies because of a lack of exogenous oxygen. The critical system of the body affected by coronavirus is the respiratory system. Lack of ability to oxygenate the body is what kills most people infected. Deaths from cardiovascular and renal collapse are rarer.

    I was thinking of ways to defeat this virus. I am not an epidemiologist or physiologist. My training is in chemical engineering. But vaccines when it comes to coronaviruses are maybe not a viable strategy, as not only does the viruses mutate, but they also have some ability to infect lymphocytes and curb the immune response. I think that maybe a better strategy would be to directly use the antibodies of people that have ben infected and cured. If you take their plasma when they are in the final stages of fighting the disease, there will still be antibodies in it. Why instead of stimulating the creation of antibodies via vaccines, just but the middleman and go straight to the antibodies. This can be done directly by white blood cell transfusion assuming immune system compatibility. Since there is a limit to immune system incompatibility, it means this could be a viable strategy. A gradual infusion of antibody-rich plasma between donor and recipients with compatible immune systems would allow the destruction of all virions inside the infected person within 1-2 weeks.

    Another strategy would be starve the virus to death via out-competing. If it is not possible to create a vaccine or to directly transfer antibodies, another strategy would be to stop the virus from contaminating cells. The way you do that is to make sure the cells are already contaminated with other viruses that make the cell-surface proteins incompatible with those of the coronavirus. Here is what you would do: you would infect the person with a virus that we can easily cure, but has a faster replication rate inside the body and a greater ability to infect cells than the COVID-19. You could give the patient rapamycin or other MTORC-1 inhibitors to dampen the immune response and allow for even faster infection of the virus. The virus would out-compete the coronavirus, and kill it by starving it to death by stopping it from entering the cells and by stopping it from replicating. Eventually, the virions would all die. Then, you cure the patient from the virus used to destroy the coronavirus by giving the patient the anti-viral for that virus. Use Nature against Nature.

    This is not a time to be stuck in Louis Pasteur’s solutions for infections from the 1800’s. There is nothing to lose from trying new things in life-or-death situations.

  198. @Realist

    How come Africans and most other People of Color do not seem to be that effected?

    The virus only attacks those with an IQ>70

    Tiny is safe. Corv, too, probably.

  199. @Tiny Duck

    What does this information tell us?

  200. Hunsdon says:
    @Anon

    Well, yeah, except for the part about Jimmy Stewart being an actual pilot in the US Army Air Corps, and in the United States Air Force, and flying actual combat missions. Aside from that, yeah, Tom Hanks is just like Jimmy Stewart.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  201. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Anon

    “It disproportionately effects older people, you stupid idiot.”

    Not necessarily. There is much to learn, Kemosabe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488325-cdc-data-show-coronavirus-poses-serious-risk-for-younger-people

    “You aren’t normal. You are a deranged imbecile.”

    LOL.

    • Replies: @George
    , @Mr. Anon
  202. @Anonymous

    Seems like we’ve failed to heed that sage advice, “Don’t let the Boomer kick you in the teeth on his way out.”

    Having destroyed American political and civic culture, social life, religious life, norms and mores, permanently destroyed American demographics so that this is essentially now Not-America, picked the entire country clean like a swarm of locusts, consumed their own children’s inheritance, destroyed our entire educational system, degraded our culture, destroyed our economy, replaced it with a New Fake Economy, handed over our foreign policy to Our Greatest Ally Evah, and strenuously resisted any attempt to reverse this destruction…

    Now, as a curtain call, terrified of death and the sure judgment and flames that await them, for their final trick the Boomers panic over a minor disease and send the country into a tailspin, managing to destroy even the New Fake Economy as well.

    Well, it was quite a joy-ride, that’s for sure. But it’ll be hilarious hearing what you say to the judge.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
  203. George says:
    @Corvinus

    “Not necessarily. There is much to learn, Kemosabe.”

    Outcomes by age group:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

  204. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    Easily the most “real” guy and biggest holder of civic virtue in the modern era

    Yeah Hanks oozes that Good Doggie mentality that so many White guys get drunk on. It’s a kind of moral vanity. Like Nixon screwing over the White working class by enforcing Brown vs Board of Education, or affirmative action, they’re soooo proud when they’re helping their little colored brothers. So yeah, gosh darn it, he’s just a swell guy who loves him some America. And then after pushing”diversity” and movies that portray White people as evil, he runs back to his gated mansion.

  205. Testing12 says:

    Fuck “Hanx”, another leftist Hollyood pervert. His smug do-gooder shtick is absolutely nauseating.

    RIP Isaac Kappy who I believe told the truth about Hanx and Speilberg

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  206. Wilkey says:
    @TBA

    Why skiers? On the one hand , it’s cold (supposedly good for the virus), and therefore the air is probably also dry. On the other hand skiing is not a contact sport, or even a team sport.

    Chairlifts typically carry four people at a time. Trams carry far more. You can be on a chairlift within just a few feet (or inches) of complete strangers 15 or 20 times in a given day. Then there’s the flight to and from the resort f it’s a vacation, time spent in an (always crowded) cafeteria line getting lunch, etc, etc.

    I mean I suppose that there are plenty of other places/activities that put you in similarly crowded conditions for similar lengths of time, but the fact that skiing is always done in fairly cold weather probably exacerbates all of that.

    The good news is that Americans seem to be getting genuinely scared and are starting to take this crap seriously. The more serious we are about it the easier it will be to kill it off – if we can control our borders and keep it from being reintroduced into the country.

  207. @Whiskey

    Obama didn’t leave office. Not really: Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, the FBI supervisor and his DOJ married mistress etc.

    Not what I remember you predicting, but your point is nevertheless well taken.

    • Replies: @Abe
  208. @Hypnotoad666

    The wife of the Prime Minister should be the “Prime Lady.” Duh

    Or the “Prime Rib”.

  209. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Most blacks have blood type O. A survey of Chinese hospitals indicated people with blood type A get it more often and are more likely to die than Os.

    • Replies: @res
  210. peterike says:

    Here’s another thing about which no panic ensued.

    The overdose epidemic that killed more than 52,000 Americans in 2015, 63,000 in 2016, 70,000 in 2017 and 68,000 in 2018. I don’t know the 2019 number.

    I’d say that’s a wee bit more than this virus thing. But since overdoses are mostly seen as a white deplorable thing, nobody cares.

    It only we could know what would happen in an alternate universe where the KungFlu only affected white people in the lower 1/2 of the income distribution. My guess is that all my local restaurants would still be wide open.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
  211. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “How do you know most normies view that it’s acceptable to be white?”

    I see it around me. It’s called NOTICING and common sense. It’s OK to be white or black or Jewish or Hispanic or Asian or Native American or…

    “You don’t cite any credible sources to back up this subjective claim. And in the final analysis, it is only subjective.”

    If you love yourself, you love your race, ethnicity, culture, and family, right? That is objective reality.

    Do you love yourself?

  212. Anon[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey guys, remember when Boomer Conservatives said it was too fiscally costly to reverse global warming? And remember how Boomer Liberals simultaneously said nuclear energy was much too risky a method to combat global warming?

    Then remember how, a decade later, both sides were willing to shut down the global economy for a bad flu that only affected them?

    Yep, I do.

  213. @Western

    They are in countries where there is no shortage of test kits, because everybody else uses the WHO kits, AFAIK.

    • Replies: @danand
  214. tyrone says:
    @Tiny Duck

    Wait a second Tiny ,are you saying women and minorities not hardest hit?…….you racist bastard!!!

  215. @anonymous

    And yet, as weather temperatures and humidity rise, for the most part, viruses die off or are destroyed. So the combination of a bat and lower weather temperatures and humdity help create the ideal conditions for the penultimate pandemic.

  216. Abe says:
    @keypusher

    You’ve identified five actors over about 70 years. Two of whom didn’t die and two of whom were killed in car crashes, not scare-quotes “accidents.” Bathtubs and icy sidewalks are deadlier, to say nothing of coronavirus.

    Marilyn Monroe was once an honestly-married woman whose pathological need for attention and stardom led her to basically become a whore. How her centerfold in PLAYBOY became a stepping-stone to her Hollywood career is well known. What is less well-known is that before Hef put her on the map (and of course sampled the goods along the way) there were the semi-professional nudie photos she shot to get Hefner’s attention (and of course the nobody photographer who shot those got to sample the goods along the way).

    Look, I’m not some sort of Hollywood gossip [email protected] who has a million “true stories” to work from. I base what I say off of confirmed news I’ve run across over the years and what #MeToo has recently surfaced about the entertainment industry (the one good thing it’s done). Who the hell do you think Kevin Spacey or Brian Singer was fondling all these years? A bunch of nameless, disposable actor-wannabes, so why shouldn’t the very few who’ve risen to the top have undergone the same process?

    My “thesis“ is behind every good-looking actor who seems like he has everything to live for but dies unexpectedly in his prime due to some combination of alcohol, drugs, and reckless driving (or, less spectacularly, decides to just walk away from it all), I bet there is a story of Hollywood sexual abuse. Just call it a “pattern” I’ve been “noticing”.

  217. syonredux says:
    @Corvinus

    Do you love yourself?

    “Alas, the time is coming when man will no longer give birth to a star. Alas, the time of the most despicable man is coming, he that is no longer able to despise himself. Behold, I show you the last man.”

  218. anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hunsdon

    And being an actual patriot, yeah. Except for those minor details, yeah, Tom Hanks = Jimmy Stewart.

  219. Abe says:
    @kaganovitch

    Not what I remember you predicting, but your point is nevertheless well taken.

    I remember that one too, along with the prediction that AVATAR would lose a lot of money, so outside of it being a dumb, almost embarrassing, movie that hasn’t aged well (and honestly even seemed dumb and embarrassing when it first came out) I’m actually eager (seriously) to hear the spin as to how this prediction came out true in the end as well.

  220. @Corvinus

    “Do you love yourself?”

    Why is your modus operandi to answer questions with questions? Do you not have the answers? And, loving oneself, what does that mean, to “love oneself”? That is subjective.

    “If you love yourself, you love your race, ethnicity, culture, and family, right?”

    No, not necessarily. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one, but what if the many are not directly related?

    “That is objective reality.”

    This is a subjective statement which cannot be decisively proven one way or the other.

    “I see it around me.”

    This is your opinion. After all, someone else can state the complete opposite of what they witness in their daily lives and so both sides are cancelled out.

    “It’s called NOTICING and common sense.”

    These are non-sequiturs, which symbolize nothing but one’s own personal opinion. Many things in life can constitute ‘common sense’, but in reality, these things must be tested. The wrong view of science betrays itself in its desire to be right. Personal opinions, untested scientifically do not make for valid science.

    “It’s OK to be white or black or Jewish or Hispanic or Asian or Native American or…”

    Do you have 100% proof that it IS OK to be of the Caucasian Persuasion? Was this proof peer reviewed by the world’s most reputable scientists? On one hand, it has been stated that race does not exist, and yet on the other hand, it is also stated that one’s identity can be many things of which to be proud of, except of course, if one is of the Caucasian Persuasion and consciously explicitly chooses to base one’s identity around that. Therefore, the question remains. Is it really okay to be white? Is it? Is it really?

    Again, this is brilliant obfuscation on your part, Corvy. Deliberately choosing not to directly answer these questions, perhaps because the answers are too difficult to deal with. But when one cannot answer difficult questions, what is to be gained? Is there anything to be gained? Really?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  221. @J.Ross

    So all these people like skiing?

    We can only hope.

  222. @keypusher

    Will Harvey Weinstein be released ? The mayor of NYC is seeking to release at-risk inmates over the age of 60

  223. @Mr. Anon

    @JimB

    Nazia? Seriously? Is that the feminine form of Nazi?

    C’mon. This is the current year. The correct, inclusive term is Nazix

    Nazix literally has to become a thing. Literally literally.

    Anywhere that any SJW type uses the word ‘Nazis’ (or more likely, given US public education, “Nazi’s”), they ought to have the white hot arclight of inclusivity turned into their eyes.

    It’s Nazix, asshole. Like Latinx

  224. Lot says:

    BREAKING!

    iSteve’s Cuban twin Mario Diaz Balart has CV! First US Congressman to be diagnosed.

    Also, 7 NBA players. League has 450 players, so that is 7/450 or 1.55%. And not all players have been tested.

    Applied to the USA, that’s 5 million cases.

  225. @Anon

    When the oil price hikes hit back in the 1970’s a prominent economist provided a simple calculation to explain the biggest market distortions and inconveniences. On average an American automobile driver has a gasoline tank which is one-half filled. The sum of one half of every gasoline tank in every American automobile is a huge volume of gasoline. If just 1/4 to 1/3 of the people get it in their head that they are skirting danger if their tank is not full and they feel the necessity to keep their tank full, that is all it takes to put the squeeze on gasoline inventories and people lining up to fill (fill the upper part) of their gasoline tank.

    It is pretty shocking to compare my local grocery store at 7:00 A. M. and 4:00 P. M. So far, they have plenty of everything that I consume at 7 and the place is stripped at 4. If you follow these shoppers home you might find their refrigerator, freezer, cabinets, and closets are almost all packed to the hilt.

    Having a two months supply of bananas is utterly pointless but there may be a fraction of people who do not know this. Right now I have a gallon of chocolate milk because I drink a lot of milk and I didn’t plan that great and they had no regular milk (and no lo-fat and no skim) at the store yesterday afternoon. Fortunately I like chocolate but my remaining 10-12 oz of regular milk mocks me every time I open my refrigerator. I will be going out for milk first thing tomorrow morning.

  226. res says:
    @Anon

    Most blacks have blood type O. A survey of Chinese hospitals indicated people with blood type A get it more often and are more likely to die than Os.

    Thanks. More on this at
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3075567/people-blood-type-may-be-more-vulnerable-coronavirus-china-study
    Original paper at
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.11.20031096v1

    AFAICT the sample sizes and odds ratios aren’t that large (for odds ratios meaning different from 1, but large enough to be statistically significant). Probably best to wait for more information. Especially since this is a preprint so has not been reviewed.

    From the paper abstract:

    The ABO group in 3694 normal people in Wuhan showed a distribution of 32.16%, 24.90%, 9.10% and 33.84% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, versus the distribution of 37.75%, 26.42%, 10.03% and 25.80% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, in 1775 COVID-19 patients from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital.

    Meta-analyses on the pooled data showed that blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups.In addition, the influence of age and gender on the ABO blood group distribution in patients with COVID-19 from two Wuhan hospitals (1,888 patients) were analyzed and found that age and gender do not have much effect on the distribution.

    Blood type O being lower risk looks like the stronger result.

    • Replies: @Lot
  227. Anonymous[740] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Steve, at the very end of Tucker Carlson show tonight was a guy claiming 100% successful double blind study of chloroquine efficacy against Chi-com Bat Flu…

    I was half listening on my phone so at least that’s what I think I heard.

    Guy said he would release study online gave a twitter link or something maybe it was a taped show from earlier in the month?

    There is a Stanford associated study linked on FReerepublic top of breaking news tonight. It might be that one I heard the guy say there were 40 patients in the study study and all were successfully treated…..

    I heard parts of chloroquine discussion last night on Laura show but this Tucker interviewee was excited and very sure of himself. Sounded like he was announcing a cure?….

  228. Mr. Anon says:
    @Corvinus

    America probably has the fattest cohort of young people in the World. Obesity can lead to and/or is associated with heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes – all risk factors for COVID-19. A lot of young people smoke or vape too.

    • Replies: @AnonAnon
  229. Lot says:
    @res

    “ A total of 1,775 patients with COVID-19, including 206 dead cases, from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital, Wuhan, China were recruited.”

    Lol.

    The time between the first and second congressman to be diagnosed with CV was like an hour.

    Ben McAdams of UT-4 is 2.

    • Replies: @gregor
  230. MBlanc46 says:
    @Kylie

    You’re just jealous of us, punk.

  231. MBlanc46 says:
    @Whiskey

    Not a lock, but, maybe, 80%.

  232. danand says:
    @PiltdownMan

    “They are in countries where there is no shortage of test kits, because everybody else uses the WHO kits, AFAIK.”

    I guess the USA does not contribute enough $ to the WHO to be deserving of kits:

    2016-17 WHO Results Report Programme Budget FINAL.indd

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  233. gregor says:

    I remember Rita Wilson was on an episode of Three’s Company. Janet had a friend coming into town (Wilson) and she wanted Jack to take her out and show her around. But she had an old lady name (Agnes or something) and Janet described her as “really nice” and “great personality” and the like. Naturally this led Jack to assume he was getting set up with a total woofer and he called upon his pal Larry to do him a solid and pretend to be him and take Agnes out for him. But then she shows up and it turns out she’s pretty. By the end, Jack’s plot of deception ends up blowing up in his face.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  234. danand says:
    @Whiskey

    “…seizing the place for vibrants.”

    California Governor Newson is commandeering some “empty” hotels to temporarily house the homeless, in our efforts towards containment. He’s providing compensation to the buildings owners.

  235. gregor says:
    @Lot

    Hmm, Utah only has 63 official cases (up from 5 the previous week) but that includes at least two players for the Utah Jazz and a congressman.

  236. sb says:

    Does your view of Tom Hanks’s marvelousness extend to his parenting ?

    His son-whom I saw on TV – seems to like to display his tattooed body for all to see (and he was only on TV because he was Tom Hanks’s son talking about his parents’ condition . He was shirtless and fully inked )

    I’d be a little uncomfortable to have such a son but maybe that’s just me

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  237. @dearieme

    No, the queens of Canada and Spain are Elizabeth and Letizia, with the former being a regnant and the latter being a consort.

  238. @prime noticer

    America is just not the same place anymore and the risk tolerance is now about zero.

    If it were just a matter of being less risk tolerant, I think I could accept it. It’s the fact that they are now creating risks by destroying the economy. There was an odd zeal to “shut it all down”. A lot of liberal “experts” are just jittery in general because Trump upsets their worldview.

    When it comes to non-liberals pushing the panic … I dunno. Why the hyper-focus on this particular risk to the exclusion of all others?

    • Replies: @anon
  239. @sb

    He has a more respectable son from his first marriage, but I’m sure his ex-wife did the heavy lifting.

  240. @Mr. Anon

    Today I went to Publix, Trader Joe’s, Walgreens, CVS, Milam’s, another CVS, a mom-and-pop convenience store, another Publix, another Walgreens, another CVS, another Publix, Fresh Market, Dollar Tree, and then another Publix, and I found not one package of toilet paper and not one package of paper towels.

    Milam’s had plenty of ground sirloin (for about $7.50 a pound). That was the only hamburger meat I saw on sale.

    Then I went to another CVS and found a minor miracle: two four-packs and four nine-packs of toilet paper. Limit: one per customer.

    At first, the cashier steadfastly refused to sell me more than one nine-pack, but eventually he relented and let me buy two.

    I gave one to a desperate friend – he paid me back and threw in a nice tip – and kept one.

  241. @Whiskey

    I agree. The writing wasn’t even in his voice.

  242. Anonymous[740] • Disclaimer says:

    OK the guy with the “peer reviewed study” proving chloroquine cure is here:

    https://twitter.com/RiganoESQ/

    It’s a little confusing because this guy is a lawyer(?) repping the doctor Didier Raoult MD

    Apparently he is the same guy who was on Laura show. Anyway there’s a doc from WA on Rigano’s twitter feed that says they will implement the regimen…

    It’s a 6 day program with 100% cure!?!

  243. Anonymous[740] • Disclaimer says:

    Too tired to read this comment thread tonight maybe thisis old news i’m on pacific time but more Chloroquine Cure info is here good thread …. seems the peer reviewed study deserves attention:

    http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3825982/posts

    A malaria pill from the 1940s has caught the eyes of doctors, analysts, and even Elon Musk as a potential coronavirus treatment
    https://www.businessinsider.com/malaria-pill-chloroquine-tested-as-coronavirus-treatment-2020-3 ^ | 3-18-2020 | Andrew Dunn
    Posted on 03/18/2020 8:43:44 PM PDT by TChad

    As the coronavirus pandemic rages

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  244. @danand

    More a case of NIH syndrome (Not Invented Here) by the CDC. We spurned the kits that were on offer.

  245. anon[574] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    There was an odd zeal to “shut it all down”. A lot of liberal “experts” are just jittery in general because Trump upsets their worldview.

    Yes. This panic isn’t making sense at all, rather it seems to be an excuse for the media to bash those politicians they don’t approve of.

  246. @Anonymous

    When I took a bartending class in college in the 1970s, the instructor had a stash of quinine tablets, and he swore that an eighth of tablet in a gin and tonic improved the taste greatly. Gin and tonics came about in 19th century, when creative Brits in their tropical colonies mixed their usual evening stiff gin drink with the doctor prescribed anti-malarial quinine water.

    From the Wikipedia entry on chloroquine:

    [Chloroquine] is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines, the safest and most effective medicines needed in a health system … available as a generic medication …

    The wholesale cost in the developing world is about US$0.04. In the United States, it costs about US$5.30 per dose.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroquine

    • Replies: @Jack D
  247. @Wielgus

    It appears to be catching on in Malaysia, where temps range from 70-90 (F) and same for humidity (%).

  248. AnonAnon says:
    @Mr. Anon

    There’s speculation medication for diabetes, high blood pressure that leads to severe and/or fatal C19: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext

    “We suggest that patients with cardiac diseases, hypertension, or diabetes, who are treated with ACE2-increasing drugs, are at higher risk for severe COVID-19 infection and, therefore, should be monitored for ACE2-modulating medications, such as ACE inhibitors or ARBs. ”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  249. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Wow, an actor made a movie, what a hero.

    Again, any chance he stands up for actual Americans in the face of their constant disparagement by his hollywood buddies? No. Any chance that if asked about the horrible, awful views of Steve Sailer (the guy praising and defending him in this post) that he doesn’t take a very public shit on him? It is to laugh.

    What Steve or Tom Hanks thinks of each other is irrelevant.

    Hanks didn’t just act in a movie, he produced the current best movie series about american WWII soldiers. If you were presented with the task of just lighting a set, you’d be in a fetal position crapping your diapers in a nanosecond.

    That doesn’t make him better than a military vet, or current soldier. It just makes him a lot better than you, or your group of fat, smelly trolls. He’s done more with his life, than you could in 10 lifetimes. You don’t respect that, so I reject you, with appropriate prejudice.

    The point to take away from here is: You suck, and Tom doesn’t.

    To be even more specific, if Tom Hanks, god forbid, was stricken with a bout of explosive diarrhea, seething with coronavirus, you would not be fit to clean the toxic aftermath

    You are so horrible, Tom Hanks’ explosive diarrhetic splatterings are above your class, even as his custodian. You’d probably steal corn chunks out of it.

    Hope this helps.

  250. AnonAnon says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    The real economic fallout from this has not begun to be felt yet. It is going to be horrific.

    I’ve concluded I’ll stroke out over economic news long before C19 gets me.

    Cruise ship data and the data from Italy that vast majority of the dead were old and sick – only 17 of the over 2500 dead were under 50 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says) – and the ridiculous everyone ‘stay inside’ lock downs in California counties that have lots of open space (e.g., San Luis Obispo) where you can take walks without getting close to other people, have me coming around to the U.K. solution – 70+ can stay inside while everyone else gets back to work.

    • Replies: @Enochian
  251. @AnonAnon

    Here’s a dueling headline:

    “Cardiology societies recommend patients taking ACE inhibitors, ARBs who contract COVID-19 should continue treatment”

    https://www.healio.com/cardiology/vascular-medicine/news/online/%7Bfe7f0842-aecb-417b-9ecf-3fe7e0ddd991%7D/cardiology-societies-recommend-patients-taking-ace-inhibitors-arbs-who-contract-covid-19-should-continue-treatment

    Do not rely upon me for medical advice!

  252. Jack D says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Bah – the US cost is only 130x the world cost – bunch of pikers. Let’s raise it to at least $3,000 a month or big pharma won’t be interested.

  253. Why do people always say Tom Hanks (Otm Shank) is such a beloved artist of America? Has he even done anything noteworthy since Mr. Mom?

  254. @AnotherDad

    “Stay safe–isolated–Kylie. We don’t want to lose you.”

    Nor find him.

  255. @Anonymous

    Why is that happening now I wonder.

    Two points:

    a) Coronavirus isn’t a flu, it’s a new type of common cold. As you know, common colds are diseases that can’t be cured or contained by modern technology.

    b) Evidently, the conspiracy theories about cornavirus being an artificially-engineered virus that escaped containment are true. This is why the powers-that-be are scared shitless – this thing can turn really bad really quickly.

  256. @anonymous

    People who think that actors (who are just one step above prostitutes) are a somehow special breed of human being are degenerates on the level of those freaks who engage in anonymous gloryhole sex in rest area bathrooms.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  257. “the Epidemic of the Wholesome”

    You surely don’t mean the diseased riddled inhabitants of the moral. intellectual, spiritual and physical cess pits of the “entertainment” world?

  258. dimples says:
    @Abe

    Does anybody care if Hollywood actors are sexually molested? Most of them probably like it, on a few maybe its overdone. Such is life in the big city.

    Hanks produced ‘Parkland’, a ridiculous JFK movie that parrotted the official story. Apparently it bombed, its a tough life in Hollywood. Like Spielberg, Hanks promotes the ‘Americans are good guys and Jews are even better’ theme, even though the facts amply prove they are sadistic mass murderers.

  259. @Hypnotoad666

    You call that Trans?

    This is Trans:

  260. @Jack D

    what struck me most is that he said (based on nothing) that Trump is anti-black.

    The only thing dumber is when they call Trump anti-Semitic. At some point, running through their list of insults is mostly a verbal tick for certain people on the left.

  261. @anonymous

    The rule about insulting people on the Internet is, the insult has to be funny, or else it doesn’t count as an insult. Since you stand no risk of being punched out (the only other way of making an objectively successful insult), if your insult isn’t funny, you get no points for trying, and it doesn’t count.

    Your insult here is manifestly not funny. In fact it is so unfunny, you only score points for insulting yourself by mistake: a sort of rhetorical own-goal as it were. Everybody on this thread has become less funny as a result of reading you.

    I’d button this with the traditional weak-sauce sneer of “Hope this helps,” except that a) it’s lame, and b) I have zero interest in helping you.

    Have a nice trip this fall!

  262. Bill B. says:
    @El Dato

    I read somewhere Germany is allowing “its” Iranians to return to Iran for their upcoming New Year.

  263. @BB753

    Would a faked moon landing or Tom Hanks purchasing under aged rape girls be more disheartening?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  264. Anon[301] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross

    It is a funny coincidence.. where will the live now, I wonder.

  265. Travis says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    hopefully people who recover from this coronavirus will be immune to it for at least 12 months…Maybe they will develop an antibody test to determine if people are making antibodies.

    this would be very beneficial to healthcare workers , as those who have antibodies would not need to wear special masks and would feel less stress treating infected patients.

  266. keypusher says:

    The biggest difference between Steve and most of his readers (including me) is that Steve is basically a positive, optimistic person. Probably how he’s kept up blogging for decades while the correlation of forces, as they say, has gotten steadily less favorable. He posts something nice about a mainstream figure like Tom Hanks and his readers joke that he’s been kidnapped. The truth is, Tom Hanks is a decent guy, as well as a conventional liberal. If you live in dread of the apocalypse, then Hanks’ decency is overwhelmed by his conventional liberalism. Clearly, Steve doesn’t live that way.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  267. anon[414] • Disclaimer says:

    9:15 am, went out early, it was raining, found TP at coronamart, maybe now I can get some oils back in my hands, soap is harsh. When I returned the gardeners were here, they’re waiting, for the sun which is peaking out now. I think civilized life is finally returning, I’ll know it when the leave and dust blowers start to whir their annoying sound and the gardeners cut the flowers and leaves off the bush, leaving the place always looking like winter has arrived. Nothing keeps them home and it makes it all feel so normal, like everyday.

  268. Jack D says:
    @Whitey Whiteman III

    Most disheartening would be Tom Hanks raping underage girls on a fake moon landing set.

    • LOL: keypusher
  269. Jack D says:
    @keypusher

    If you live in dread of the apocalypse, then you’re the kind of guy who believes in conspiracy theories and who believes that conventional liberals are really Satanists in disguise. I have no idea what kind of evil deeds Hanks is accused of by the lunatic fringe but I infer from some of the comments here that in their view he is some kind of gay child molester like every other actor in Hollywood. The evidence they have for this is nil but they are not the kind of people who care about evidence.

    Steve does and the evidence that actually exists points to his being a pretty nice guy but a flawed human like the rest of us. He has a failed marriage in his background. He was probably busy pursuing his career – you don’t get to be a top star without focusing on your career – and neglected his familial duties so some of his kids (not that we can completely control how our kids turn out) are less than perfect. Etc. In other words, a fallen human and not a god. Let he who is without sin, etc.

    • Replies: @keypusher
  270. JimB says:
    @Mr. Anon

    C’mon. This is the current year. The correct, inclusive term is Nazix.

    Bravo!

  271. Muggles says:

    After wading through more than 270 comments on this article, I have some thoughts.

    The progressive movement to shut down free speech under various pretexts is horrible and misguided. Yes, here and in other Unz posts (though I skip most, being magnets for the insane) you come across many viewpoints. The worst are from various mindsets where certain groups are automatically to blame for everything. Next up total cynics who think everything is a conspiracy, plot or intentional plan for some specified outcome by some sinister group. Racists, anti Semites, etc.

    There are tells on these so are easily identified and skipped. If you aren’t familiar with this type of “argument” or analysis, you will quickly learn the waste of time in reading them. Without free speech and expression, how will the Zoomers and others learn about the wide variety of views, many totally insane? Or simply put forth out of bad faith, meanness, or often a sense of self importance and a weird form of perceived virtue signaling. “I know the Truth and you don’t!”

    Despite this unholy mix, most comments are of some value or at least humor. I learn a lot from posts about facts and references which can be further investigated. Challenges to ones own assumptions and knowledge base. A real service. Free speech makes this possible. (Also, since I assume some idiotic stuff is moderated out, the sewage is limited.) All hail free expression!

    Especially in a time of mass panic and childish fears. Some very smart people post here. Thanks to them too. And to Steve and other regulars of merit.

  272. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    permanently destroyed American demographics so that this is essentially now Not-America,

    Agreed they’re pretty worthless, but the oldest boomer was only 20 in 1965.

  273. keypusher says:
    @Jack D

    If you live in dread of the apocalypse, then you’re the kind of guy who believes in conspiracy theories and who believes that conventional liberals are really Satanists in disguise.

    I don’t live in dread of the apocalypse and I don’t think Tom Hanks is a secret child molester, but I do worry about the correlation of forces. Over the last seven years or so culture, politics etc. seem to have changed with terrifying speed. Which happens sometimes. In 1970 or so (I’ve been told), my grandfather walked into a room — the Guess Who was on TV, singing “American Woman.” He freaked out and turned the TV off. He was completely alienated from popular culture. I feel like I’ve gotten to where he was, even though I’m a good deal younger than he was then. And there is a racial/demographic angle to the current transformation, which makes it feel more irreversible than even the 1960s.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  274. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “Again, this is brilliant obfuscation on your part, Corvy. Deliberately choosing not to directly answer these questions, perhaps because the answers are too difficult to deal with.”

    LOL, is that not being subjective yourself? Is there anything to be gained?

    “someone else can state the complete opposite of what they witness in their daily lives and so both sides are cancelled out.”

    So when I question the fine posters here, and they tell me that I am other than correct, should I simply employ this phrase in every instance? Pray tell, is not Mr. Sailer offering his opinion? Is he not merely being subjective in nature? So what’s the point of his (or other people’s) posts?

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
  275. Enochian says:
    @AnonAnon

    None of them were all that sick, or they wouldn’t have been on a cruise.

  276. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @the grand wazoo

    He’s got that Tarantino gayface thing going.
    Physiognomy never lies.

  277. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Testing12

    Fuck “Hanx”, another leftist Hollyood pervert. His smug do-gooder shtick is absolutely nauseating.

    RIP Isaac Kappy who I believe told the truth about Hanx and Speilberg

    Kappy also repeatedly, publicly declared that JFK Jr. was still alive, and posting on 4chan. Maybe you should validate that allegation from your deceased font of truth first, before proceeding. Taking the word of a bipolar nut case requires a lot of work. Far more work than sitting on your fat ass all day, posting like a mental patient on 4chan. I strongly suspect that not only will you fail to find JFK Jr., you will likely not leave your cheap, sweaty couch for at least the next four hours.

    • Replies: @Testing12
  278. MEH 0910 says:

  279. @MEH 0910

    ‘These actors, athletes and political leaders…”

    For once, NYT is both honest and accurate about the proper order of today’s priorities.

  280. @Corvinus

    “So when I question the fine posters here, and they tell me that I am other than correct, should I simply employ this phrase in every instance?”

    And you don’t already do this anyway? Is that really so?

    I do think that Corvy has graduated from sixth grade thinking all the way to seventh grade thinking. All ready for middle school (when they reopen in the US, or perhaps you can take online courses to keep up).

    For homework: Consensus regarding objective facts are the key. What is the consensus surrounding such words as “common sense”? Is one prepared to offer peer reviewed studies and/or large enough samplings that qualify as a sizable cohort to be used to bolster one’s claims that qualify as evidence (not the subjective kind)? And, when offering opinions, do have the good sense to offer PROOFS, as in the O-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-E kind, and not merely of the subjective personal kind.

    Welcome to the seventh grade, Corvy. Let us hope you have the warewithal to proceed in your lifelong learning as a full abled adult in 2020 society.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  281. @peterike

    What has Trump done in the past 3 years to stop the overdose epidemic?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @J.Ross
  282. Corvinus says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    “And you don’t already do this anyway? Is that really so?”

    That would be a strawman on your part. The fact of the matter is that WE are at times subjective in nature. Now, do you love yourself? Do you love your race, ethnicity, culture, and family?

    “Consensus regarding objective facts are the key. What is the consensus surrounding such words as “common sense”? Is one prepared to offer peer reviewed studies and/or large enough samplings that qualify as a sizable cohort to be used to bolster one’s claims that qualify as evidence (not the subjective kind)?”

    Haven’t you heard about the replication process involving peer reviewed studies?

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/8/27/17761466/psychology-replication-crisis-nature-social-science

    Here is one source that says we ought to trust our common sense.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/how-do-life/201810/why-i-often-trust-common-sense-over-data

    “Welcome to the seventh grade, Corvy. Let us hope you have the warewithal to proceed in your lifelong learning as a full abled adult in 2020 society.”

    Aren’t you being subjective in nature? How are certain that I am essentially getting ready for middle school thinking? Do have the good sense to offer PROOFS, as in the O-B-J-E-C-T-I-V-E kind, and not merely of the subjective personal, and ad hominem, kind.

  283. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What has Trump done in the past 3 years to stop the overdose epidemic?

    He let them overdose.

    You have to admit, after a couple of few times, they stop doing it.

  284. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kibernetika

    You can’t get “the good stuff” anymore thanks to the EPA, the classic primers and strippers and whatnot. And avgas contains a huge amount of tetraethyl lead. That’s one reason it never goes bad. I run my old lawn tractor on it, starts first pull each new season.

  285. BB753 says:
    @Jack D

    Follow his bizarre tweets, and watch the creepy video he did with that little girl, and maybe read blind items at

    http://www.crazydaysnadnights.net

    The site where they uncovered Weinstein and Epstein before the courts did.
    Remember when Bill Cosby used to be a great guy too?
    There are no great guys at Hollywood. Perhaps some C-listers are OK.

  286. @J.Ross

    Womp womp womp. Steve likes pithiness and hates old effete bores like you and dearime. Try to hijack threads less with boring as walls of text. Yours is a name I know I’m gonna have to scroll a long ass time because it’s never interesting and always long.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  287. anon[812] • Disclaimer says:

    Is that you, Rita?

  288. anon[812] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Z Blog

    or to remember basic etiquette: always put one in the brain

  289. J.Ross says:
    @Sam Haysom

    (responding without reading) okay dude stay safe

  290. J.Ross says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Oh come on, he made this a signature issue when other politicians wouldn’t touch it. If he failed it was because of a local Vindman, not because he didn’t care.

  291. dfordoom says: • Website
    @anonymous coward

    People who think that actors (who are just one step above prostitutes)

    They’re actually a step below prostitutes. Prostitutes are honest and trustworthy compared to actors.

  292. dfordoom says: • Website
    @keypusher

    Over the last seven years or so culture, politics etc. seem to have changed with terrifying speed.

    Culture, politics etc have been changing rapidly since 1914 (and arguably since the late 19th century).

    I don’t like the changes either but they’ve been happening for a long long time.

    Things like the drug culture. It already existed in the 1920s. It built slowly for decades and then exploded in the 60s but it didn’t suddenly come out of nowhere.

    The Sexual Revolution began in the 1920s. The normalisation of homosexuality was a process that started in the 20s. The introduction of the contraceptive pill in the early 60s seemed like an overnight revolution but people had been moving towards birth control and against the idea of having large families for decades before that.

    Feminism dates back to the 1790s. Second Wave feminism started to attract media attention in the 60s but had been building for years before that.

    The transformation of the Left from the Economic Left into the Social Justice Left was already beginning in the late 50s.

    Liberals already controlled Hollywood in the 1930s.

    The changes you see in your own lifetime seem spectacular but generally they’re just the continuation of slow steady pressures that were already apparent in your grandparents’ day.

  293. Testing12 says:
    @Anonymous

    Fascinating comment.

    So is this Tom, Chet, or Rita?

    Based on the uniquely pretentious writing style I have my suspicions.

    Do you comb the web for any mentions of Issac in order to reply with your triggered venom?

    Does roadkill ever see justice? Maybe one day.

    You believe who you choose to believe and I will do the same.

  294. Anon87 says:

    Not that I expect us to learn anything from this crisis (based on the lessons not learned from military intervention and the housing market), but might this change the social acceptance of stockpiling old people in nursing homes? It seems like a recipe for disaster with illnesses like Kung Flu.

  295. MEH 0910 says:

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  296. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

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  297. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

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  298. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    Norm Macdonald’s Bat Song

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