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Neal Stephenson’s sci-fi novel Snow Crash borrows from Jean Raspail’s The Camp of the Saints the concept of a seaborne invasion of refugees that Stephenson calls the Raft:

“When [the Raft] gets to California, it will enter a new phase of its life cycle. It will shed much of its sprawling improvised bulk as a few hundred thousand Refus cut themselves loose and paddle to shore. The only Refus who make it that far are, by definition, the ones who were agile enough to make it out to the Raft in the first place, resourceful enough to survive the agonizingly slow passage through arctic waters, and tough enough not to get killed by any of the other Refus. Nice guys, all of them. Just the kind of people you’d like to have showing up on your private beach in groups of a few thousand.” [p. 272]

Tom Friedman writes in the NYT:

Out of Africa

Thomas L. Friedman APRIL 13, 2016

Agadez, NIGER — It’s Monday and that means it’s moving day in Agadez, the northern Niger desert crossroad that is the main launching pad for migrants out of West Africa. Fleeing devastated agriculture, overpopulation and unemployment, migrants from a dozen countries gather here in caravans every Monday night and make a mad dash through the Sahara to Libya, hoping to eventually hop across the Mediterranean to Europe.

This caravan’s assembly is quite a scene to witness. Although it is evening, it’s still 105 degrees, and there is little more than a crescent moon to illuminate the night. Then, all of a sudden, the desert comes alive.

Using the WhatsApp messaging service on their cellphones, the local smugglers, who are tied in with networks of traffickers extending across West Africa, start coordinating the surreptitious loading of migrants from safe houses and basements across the city. They’ve been gathering all week from Senegal, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Chad, Guinea, Cameroon, Mali and other towns in Niger.

With 15 to 20 men — no women — crammed together into the back of each Toyota pickup, their arms and legs spilling over the sides, the vehicles pop out of alleyways and follow scout cars that have zoomed ahead to make sure there are no pesky police officers or border guards lurking who have not been paid off.

It’s like watching a symphony, but you have no idea where the conductor is. Eventually, they all converge at a gathering point north of the city, forming a giant caravan of 100 to 200 vehicles — the strength in numbers needed to ward off deserts bandits.

… So, as one smuggler explains to me, the cars and buses of the tourist industry have now been repurposed into a migration industry. There are now wildcat recruiters, linked to smugglers, all across West Africa who appeal to the mothers of boys to put up the $400 to $500 to send them to seek out jobs in Libya or Europe. Few make it, but others keep coming.

I am standing at the Agadez highway control station watching this parade. As the Toyotas whisk by me, kicking up dust, they paint the desert road with stunning moonlit silhouettes of young men, silently standing in the back of each vehicle. The thought that their Promised Land is war-ravaged Libya tells you how desperate are the conditions they’re leaving. Between 9,000 and 10,000 men make this journey every month. …

What’s crazy is that as you go north of here, closer to the Libya border, to Dirkou, you run into streams of migrants coming back from Libya, which they found ungoverned, abusive and lacking in any kind of decent work. One of them, Mati Almaniq, from Niger, tells me he had left his three wives and 17 children back in his village to search for work in Libya or Europe and returned deeply disillusioned. In Libya, say migrants, you can get beaten at any moment — or arbitrarily arrested and have the police use your cellphone to call your family in Niger and demand a ransom for your release.

Just as Syria’s revolution was set off in part by the worst four-year drought in the country’s modern history — plus overpopulation, climate stresses and the Internet — the same is true of this African migration wave.

… Chaifou explains that West Africa has experienced two decades of on-again-off-again drought. … Meanwhile, the population explodes — mothers in Niger average seven children — as parents continue to have lots of kids for social security, and each year more fertile land gets eaten by desertification. “We now lose 100,000 hectares of arable land every year to desertification,” says Chaifou. “And we lose between 60,000 and 80,000 hectares of forest every year.” …

John Updike’s Sahel novel “The Coup” was set during the drought that peaked in 1973: the dictator of Kush chops off the head of the Haile Selassie-like ex-king to end the drought. (It doesn’t work.) But it’s eventually mentioned that the climate change is driven by the population increase: there are more herdsmen so there are more goats who eat the baby trees so there is more desertification as the sun beats down directly on the soil.

Says the U.N.’s Barbut, “Desertification acts as the trigger, and climate change acts as an amplifier of the political challenges we are witnessing today: economic migrants, interethnic conflicts and extremism.” She shows me three maps of Africa with an oblong outline around a bunch of dots clustered in the middle of the continent. Map No. 1: the most vulnerable regions of desertification in Africa in 2008. Map No. 2: conflicts and food riots in Africa 2007-2008. Map No. 3: terrorist attacks in Africa in 2012.

All three outlines cover the same territory.

The European Union recently struck a deal with Turkey to vastly increase E.U. aid to Ankara for dealing with refugees and migrants who have reached Turkey, in return for Turkey restricting their flow into Europe.

“If we would invest a fraction of that amount helping African nations combat deforestation, improve health and education and sustain small-scale farming, which is the livelihood of 80 percent of the people in Africa, so people here could stay on the land,” says Barbut, “it would be so much better for them and for the planet.”

Everyone wants to build walls these days, she notes, but the wall we need most is a “green wall” of reforestation that would hold back the desert and stretch from Mali in the west to Ethiopia in the east. “It’s an idea that the Africans themselves have come up with,” she adds. It makes enormous sense.

Because, in the end, no wall will hold back this surging migrant tide.

There’s at least one country that disagrees. It’s fences don’t stop all the African immigrants illegal infiltrators, but they do give time for the military to arrive and arrest the border crossers. From YNet News:

200 Africans illegally enter Israel over fence

Using ladders 6-10 meters high and the help of smugglers, migrants manage to bypass new border fence; IDF troops arrest them and take them to Saharonim detention center.

by Yoav Zitun Published: 12.06.15

In reality, walls and other acts of self-defense are necessary parts of any practical plan for heading off this looming massive global tragedy.

Back to Friedman:

Everything you see here screams that unless a way can be found to stabilize Africa’s small-scale agriculture, one way or another they will try to get to Europe. Some who can’t will surely gravitate toward any extremist group that pays them. Too many are now aware through mass media of the better life in Europe, and too many see their governments as too frail to help them advance themselves.

I interviewed 20 men from at least 10 African countries at the International Organization for Migration aid center in Agadez — all had gone to Libya, tried and failed to get to Europe, and returned, but were penniless and unable to get back to their home villages. I asked them, “How many of you and your friends would leave Africa and go to Europe if you could get in legally?”

“Tout le monde,” they practically shouted, while they all raised their hands.

I don’t know much French, but I think that means “everybody.”

The NYT quickly shut down comments when the most recommended comments all focused on the man with three wives and 17 children.

Personally, I don’t think the challenges posed to the world by the current runaway African population growth are unbeatable: the Population Bomb has been defused in most of the rest of the world, leaving Africa as the hardest nut to crack.

The solutions for the African threat to world peace and prosperity appear to me to require a threefold approach:

– Perimeter and in-depth defense of the West to shut off the magnet justifying guys with three wives and 17 children feeling optimistic and unworried about their selfishness.

– Strong campaigns promoting family planning in Africa.

– Outside investment in sustainable economic development in Africa, such as better agricultural practices that don’t contribute to desertification.

These will be expensive, but the cost is minimal compared to the alternative of turning Europe into a banlieue of Africa. The main problem is ideological: we need to break the taboo against talking about the need for Steps #1 and #2.

 
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  1. Because, in the end, no wall will hold back this surging migrant tide.

    As Friedman, that duplicitous galut Jew well knows, it isn’t “the wall” that holds them back, its the knowledge that the Israeli Army will machine gun any fool goyim who attempt to ram their way through it.

    Once the migrants believe that, a single strand of barbed wire would keep them out.

    • Agree: Malcolm X-Lax
    • Replies: @TG
    @Big Bill

    Absolutely correct! The reason that poor people don't swarm into Zuckerman's palace, is because they know that if they do they will be roughly removed and, if they resist, shot.

    Walls work, but they are essentially psychological barriers. They have to have an enforced rule of law behind them.

    Illegal immigration into the United States from Mexico was near zero for centuries, even without a formal wall, because Mexicans knew that the law would be enforced.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    , @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    , @a reader
    @Big Bill

    its the knowledge that the Israeli Army will machine gun any fool goyim who attempt to ram their way through it.

    ... or merely approach it.

    You're warned.

    Replies: @Jack D

  2. Keith Vaz [AKA "Sir Charles Pipkins"] says:

    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees. I guarantee that word would have spread very rapidly to the Third World masses not to mess with Europe in actions their minds understand very well.

    Instead we get mixed messages and incoherent leftist pandering and moralizing only encouraging more immivaders to die and more Europeans lives ruined by the aggressive thugs that do make it. I can’t help but feel this is related to weak female leaders, specifically Merkel.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Keith Vaz

    Killing them would be stupid. It would be a PR disaster the Left would use against immigration enforcement forever and ever and ever and ever.

    Libya can't stop the Italian Navy from landing on Libyan shores and dropping off all the refugees found floundering in the Atlantic. Keep sending them back and they will stop trying to come. It really ain't that hard. See above for my solution to the problem in Greece.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Yngvar

    , @AnotherDad
    @Keith Vaz


    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees.
     
    Exactly--with Wilkey's caveat. You simply tow the things back to the Libyan coast and sink them there. If they foundered, then you dump the refugees back there on the coast. The problem fixes itself pretty much immediately.

    I get very tired of this nonsense--even from a few deluded commentators here-- that the refugees "can't be stopped". Never has there been such a power differential between an invading force and the people of the lands they are invading. The Italian Navy alone could end this problem.

    Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes. (Hence ... "sports".) If you had EU forces actually out there commissioned to intercept and take over invading boats, tow them, sink them, push the invaders back to foreign shores ... you'd have a ton of young men vying to take those jobs. It's when you sign up for your "Navy" and you're forced to be a friggin' pansy, doing "social work" helping African and Muslim invaders onto your soil so they can rip off your nation and rape your women ... that's what sucks the spirit out of an armed force.

    Europeans--heck white people generally--aren't all a bunch of whimps. What ails them is an evil "progressive" ideology, enforced by an evil elite.

    Let these European defense forces defend and these Africans are a non-issue ... left to screw up their own countries.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Erik Sieven, @Bill B., @anon

    , @Anonymous
    @Keith Vaz

    I agree. Female leadership is killing the west

  3. Any help to Africa will only increase population pressure. In other words it will make things worse before it makes them better.

    So how we are going to stop them before great Southern Volkwanderung starts? Preferably without shooting them on the beaches. This would be costly in terms of conscience.

    • Replies: @Cracker
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Just checked the cabinet. I'm all out of conscience...My neighbors are too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

    , @Olorin
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    'Scuse me for asking, but whites have been shooting each other on beaches for the past 100 years.

    Why should we suddenly develop qualms of conscience over Africans?

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

  4. After “With 15 to 20 men — no women”…you don’t have to read any further.

  5. If you are not aware of this yet, then check out the Thomas Friedman article generator (http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com), its a computer program that creates a random writing in the style of Friedman, some of them are actually pretty close to the real thing.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @neutral

    Wow. That thing is wondrous. Sample sentence from one it just generated for me, "Two Worlds Cracking Up":


    When I visited Sweden in 2001, Mwambe, the cabbie who drove me from the airport, couldn't stop telling me about how he had to take a second job because of the high cost of transportation.
     
  6. Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn’t seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Tiny Duck

    Only if you assume the replacement culture(s) are equivalent. Most post-colonial, sub-Saharan nations do not have good living standards for the dominant ethnic group, to say nothing of minorities.

    , @AndrewR
    @Tiny Duck

    Obvious troll is obvious

    Replies: @bomag

    , @International Jew
    @Tiny Duck

    Emigrate to Niger today, so you can get a head start on our wonderful future.

    , @mark miller
    @Tiny Duck

    Touche.

    But the joke, ultimately, will be on them. They are, after all, fleeing their handiwork. Or do you presume that under _any_ circumstances a society of predominantly African descent will in any way approximate First World conditions?

    , @SFG
    @Tiny Duck

    Something tells me this troll is going to regenerate (under another name).

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins

    , @Mark Eugenikos
    @Tiny Duck


    ...a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance...
     
    May you get to depend on functioning governments, social welfare, medicine, communications, transportation, etc. developed and maintained by those "rivals" from other parts of the world that are going to procreate us into irrelevance.

    Replies: @Olorin

    , @boogerbently
    @Tiny Duck

    They will make our native Afrikaners seem genius, industrious and lovable by comparison.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Tiny Duck

    A lefty acquaintance of mine had a conservative epiphany during her post-college Wanderjahre when she realized that all the rail lines and rolling stock she saw on the sub-continent had been provided by the Brits and all the public works projects she saw in the Horn of Africa and Libya had Italian dedication plaques. She would have made similar observations in many ex-colonies scatterde around the world. Much of the "third world" owes its continued existence to earlier"exploitative" and "enslaving" actions of the late colonial powers.

    Replies: @Nico, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Big Bill
    @Tiny Duck

    Tony, it's called holding land by "Right of Conquest". If I conquer you, I take it. If you conquer me, you take it. "Fairness" has nothing to do with it.

    As Good Professor Dershowitz explicitly noted, the Jews hold Israel by Right of Conquest, and not because a bunch of goyim held up their hands in some European convention and voted to give it to them.

    The Volksdeutsch left Poland and the Ukraine and all the other European countries from 1944-1949 not because FDR, Stalin and Churchill raised their hands and voted for it at the Potsdam Conference, but because the locals raped and murdered the German civilians until they fled for their lives by the millions. That is "Conquest".

    If you hold your manhood so cheap, if you are so tired and weary of life, feel free to give them your mother, your wife and your daughter for their pleasure and bare your neck to their sword "because it's only fair".

    I shan't.

    , @ben tillman
    @Tiny Duck


    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?
     
    Obviously, if their aggressive growth results in the genocide of others. You're a misanthropic monster.
    , @Nico
    @Tiny Duck

    Maybe you could ask yourself whether you want to live in a world where black Africans, Hindus and Chinese control everything.

    If your answer is yes, there is nothing I can do to help you.

    If on the other hand you want to be honest with yourself, then maybe we could talk.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @anon
    @Tiny Duck


    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world
     
    They achieved their dominance through developing better ships as a consequence of centuries of Arab slave raids.

    European imperialism started with planting colonies in north Africa (or Central Asia in Russia's case) to stop slaving.
  7. “Fleeing devastated agriculture, overpopulation and unemployment…”

    Reporting from Agadez, Niger…

    Niger Population Density: 12.1/km^2
    UK Population Density: 262/km^2
    Italy Population Density: 201.7/km^2
    Germany Population Density: 227/km^2

    Fleeing overpopulation would be headed from super densely populated Europe to largely empty land like Niger, not the other way around.

    Obviously, people are fleeing poor, failed Africa states and want to migrate to the most successful nations on Earth in Europe. But saying overpopulation is the issue is obviously wrong. African nations have lots of problems but lack of unused physical land is not one of them. African nations are blessed with very large claims of valuable earth land mass.

    If any nations are strained for physical land it’s those of Europe. The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @Trelane
    @Massimo Heitor

    Fleeing overpopulation would be headed from super densely populated Europe to largely empty land like Niger, not the other way around.

    Quite right you are. The NYT argument is reversed. George Orwell, again.

    , @The Alarmist
    @Massimo Heitor


    "The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing."
     
    It's the magic dirt.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Olorin
    @Massimo Heitor

    An extraordinarily important point, and one that led me to turn away from conventional "population control" policy circles in the 1990s.

    There is so much common sense that simply will not and cannot be discussed in those circles, which revolve largely around tootling the latest ideology in return for "philanthropic" and government billion$.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Massimo Heitor

    What makes Europe special is Europeans. European-administered colonialism would be the best solution for Africa but we can't talk about that anymore. Importing Africans to Europe means importing African behavior and problems--a policy of madness!

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

  8. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Only if you assume the replacement culture(s) are equivalent. Most post-colonial, sub-Saharan nations do not have good living standards for the dominant ethnic group, to say nothing of minorities.

  9. 200 Africans illegally enter Israel over fence

    Using ladders 6-10 meters high and the help of smugglers, migrants manage to bypass new border fence; IDF troops arrest them and take them to Saharonim detention center.

    by Yoav Zitun Published: 12.06.15

    If there’s one country I’d avoid trying to secretly infiltrate it’d be Israel. I think I’d try to bum five bucks off Bernie Goetz before I’d do that.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Pat Gilligan

    And yet 10,000 made it over the border before Israel built the wall last year. Of course once they realized it was a problem, they did build a fence. They are not supermen but they are not idiots either.

  10. Not to be “that guy” but part of the resistance to mass belief in 1 and 2 is that many of the ones who want 1 and 2 don’t seem to care much about 3

  11. Mati Almaniq, from Niger, tells me he had left his three wives and 17 children back in his village to search for work in Libya or Europe and returned deeply disillusioned.

    I thought the men have to be wealthy to have multiple wives in Islam? At any rate Niger and Northern Nigeria have the highest fertility rates in the world. Things are going to get even more hectic in that part of the world very soon.

    In Libya, say migrants, you can get beaten at any moment — or arbitrarily arrested and have the police use your cellphone to call your family in Niger and demand a ransom for your release.

    It’s ironic that the migrant flow from Africa to Europe is being slowed because Arabs are race realists with no notion of being politically correct.

  12. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Obvious troll is obvious

    • Replies: @bomag
    @AndrewR

    He has some use in that he reminds us what we are up against: any societal success will be thoroughly and completely punished and reversed.

    Replies: @Smitty

  13. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Emigrate to Niger today, so you can get a head start on our wonderful future.

    • Agree: Nico
  14. Topsoil, farmland, and fresh water aquifers are disappearing all over the world, even in the most fertile areas, chiefly the US and Canada. Waving a magic wand over the problem isn’t going to work, as the Saudis found out when they had to stop wheat farming because they ran out of groundwater. There will be massive famine in the 3d world within a generation, maybe much sooner, and 3d worlders will be using any methods available to escape…..

    And the bottom line will be that open borders will mean the end for civilized nations…

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @pyrrhus

    The bottom line means collectively growing a pair and supporting policies of either shooting or maybe towing back those who would cross land or sea borders.

    70 years ago the Allies firebombed civilian populations. Attitudes changed to get to the point we are at now, they can change back again, it just takes a few years.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @pyrrhus

    Isn't that a direct quote from Paul Ehrlich's 1970s screed, "The Population Bomb"? You really ought to provide the cite. And get it right. Ehrlich predicted all this would happen within a decade, not a generation.

    , @Big Bill
    @pyrrhus

    The Good Christians of Iowa still honor Norman Borlaug. He and his crew caused the world population explosion by creating strains of fragile but high yielding cereals and spreading them around the world in their "Green Revolution".

    While Borlaug's high intensity, high chemical input, and high technology farming TRIPLED cereal production in India and Pakistan since the mid-20th Century, the population of both countries is now FOUR times as large (and growing).

    Thanks, Normie.

    Instead of a few hundred million starving in the 20th Century, we will shortly have billions starving.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Yngvar

  15. The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing.

    Around here this is known as “closing the gap”, and no one has any clue whatsoever about the dynamics of this phenomenon. Apparently, some space aliens landed and imposed “the Gap” and there is no explanation or solution.

  16. 1/ Not bad journalism from Friedman-no talking to taxi drivers for example.

    2/ Idea-many European countries should announce that they are giving up many of their Mediterranean islands-especially the completely uninhabited ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Greece

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @anony-mouse

    Friedman seems to be slowly coming around on immigration, like turning an aircraft carrier.

    Rather than giving up islands, Europeans should stabilize Libya. Not destabilizing it in the first place would have been preferable, but at this point, they need to put a cork in it. Get representatives of all the tribal militias together, and negotiate an agreement to share power and oil revenues. Then offer them all an additional financial incentive to stop illegal migration.

    Put the caravans Friedman mentions to work going in reverse. Transport migrants who wash up on European coastlines to Libya, record their biometric data, and give $500 to the migrant and $500 to the smugglers when that migrant shows up at a European consulate in Niger or somewhere else in Sub-Saharan Africa. Throw in another $500 if he's willing to get a vasectomy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    , @Wilkey
    @anony-mouse

    You've got it half right. Since Greece and the EU apparently can't force their home nations, or the nations through which they most recently passed (e.g., Turkey), to take them back, simply put all the refugees on a few Aegean islands, and blockade them, and tell them that's all the farther into Europe they will get. They can live there in tents the rest of their lives with minimal basic resources, or they can go home. They will stop coming almost immediately.

  17. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Touche.

    But the joke, ultimately, will be on them. They are, after all, fleeing their handiwork. Or do you presume that under _any_ circumstances a society of predominantly African descent will in any way approximate First World conditions?

  18. @AndrewR
    @Tiny Duck

    Obvious troll is obvious

    Replies: @bomag

    He has some use in that he reminds us what we are up against: any societal success will be thoroughly and completely punished and reversed.

    • Agree: gruff
    • Replies: @Smitty
    @bomag

    I forgot everything in his comment before "fair dinkum." That is one corny dude. Remember when Australian music and what-not was supposed to be catching on? But it didn't. Lame trends seemingly do not propagate far from the lucky country... Aussies, still over by that dateline yet stuck oh so many years behind it

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  19. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Something tells me this troll is going to regenerate (under another name).

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
    @SFG

    I believe his previous nom de plume was "corvinus"

  20. Mati Almaniq, from Niger, tells me he had left his three wives and 17 children back in his village to search for work in Libya…

    That’s the dad I never had. We need men like this in the West. A good man, a family man, one who’s willing to go the extra mile to feed his wives and families.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Trelane

    You're quite sure he is not just trying to complete the full set of four with a German hottie?

    , @Ed
    @Trelane

    I know you're joking but this would actually be an improvement over the dominant mating strategy of African-Americans. Most African-American men can't even be bothered to take care of their brood financially without coercion from the state.

  21. @Big Bill

    Because, in the end, no wall will hold back this surging migrant tide.
     
    As Friedman, that duplicitous galut Jew well knows, it isn't "the wall" that holds them back, its the knowledge that the Israeli Army will machine gun any fool goyim who attempt to ram their way through it.

    Once the migrants believe that, a single strand of barbed wire would keep them out.

    Replies: @TG, @Jack D, @a reader

    Absolutely correct! The reason that poor people don’t swarm into Zuckerman’s palace, is because they know that if they do they will be roughly removed and, if they resist, shot.

    Walls work, but they are essentially psychological barriers. They have to have an enforced rule of law behind them.

    Illegal immigration into the United States from Mexico was near zero for centuries, even without a formal wall, because Mexicans knew that the law would be enforced.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @TG

    Well, folks from Mexico simply were not prevented from entering a hundred or more years ago. My family walked across the border no problem. It was not illegal to just walk in from Mexico a hundred years ago. Of course, there were rather few coming, so it was no big deal.

  22. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    …a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance…

    May you get to depend on functioning governments, social welfare, medicine, communications, transportation, etc. developed and maintained by those “rivals” from other parts of the world that are going to procreate us into irrelevance.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Mark Eugenikos

    The real "irrelevance" is the ideology of people like this clown, who want to continue hatin' on Europe and the west even as everybody on earth outside of our nations wants to move in.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2014/11/theres-something-about-teutonics.html

    By the way, MG has a new piece as of 3/31 after a long hiatus--for all you fans of TWCS blog.

  23. The thought that their Promised Land is war-ravaged Libya tells you how desperate are the conditions they’re leaving…

    …closer to the Libya border… you run into streams of migrants coming back from Libya, which they found ungoverned, abusive and lacking in any kind of decent work.

    Apparently, Friedman doesn’t see any contradictions here. Obviously, the illegal border-jumpers are not thinking of Libya as “war-ravaged Libya”.

    If Friedman were really interested in reporting, he would be interviewing those men about what they were told by the human traffickers that took their money to drive them to Libya. I suspect most of the people leaving Africa have been told you can find work in Libya or get on a boat to Europe, which will take you in… otherwise, why would they leave for Libya? But of course, that would make the story less interesting–just another case of greed and deceit on the dark continent rather than an opportunity for self-flagellation over the fact that white people’s climate change is forcing the good people off their land…

  24. @Massimo Heitor
    "Fleeing devastated agriculture, overpopulation and unemployment..."

    Reporting from Agadez, Niger...

    Niger Population Density: 12.1/km^2
    UK Population Density: 262/km^2
    Italy Population Density: 201.7/km^2
    Germany Population Density: 227/km^2

    Fleeing overpopulation would be headed from super densely populated Europe to largely empty land like Niger, not the other way around.

    Obviously, people are fleeing poor, failed Africa states and want to migrate to the most successful nations on Earth in Europe. But saying overpopulation is the issue is obviously wrong. African nations have lots of problems but lack of unused physical land is not one of them. African nations are blessed with very large claims of valuable earth land mass.

    If any nations are strained for physical land it's those of Europe. The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing.

    Replies: @Trelane, @The Alarmist, @Olorin, @Diversity Heretic

    Fleeing overpopulation would be headed from super densely populated Europe to largely empty land like Niger, not the other way around.

    Quite right you are. The NYT argument is reversed. George Orwell, again.

  25. Every time I hear about Tom Friedman of the NYT, I think of the following cult classic:

    http://exiledonline.com/thomas-friedman-the-empires-useful-idiot-an-exile-classic/

    Sneak preview:

    Please note that this man is the possessor of what he himself calls “the best job in the world”: Foreign Correspondent for the New York Times. He is paid a huge salary to Quarter-Pound his way around the world producing “insights” like this. That’s the most interesting aspect of the whole Friedman phenomenon: not that Friedman is a bear of very little brain (because after all, there are a lot of Poohs in the woods) but that this Pooh is a leading writer for America’s newspaper of record.

  26. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    They will make our native Afrikaners seem genius, industrious and lovable by comparison.

  27. Pretty remarkable to see comments with so many upvotes on the NY Times like this one:

    A nation can tolerate a small amount of ethnic diversity, with the emphasis on SMALL. To expect Europeans to tolerate, let alone “celebrate”, DIVERSITY to the extent that it is resulting in their own ethnic decline and ultimate demise, is Orwellian and totally insane. But this is what is happening at the moment, encouraged by “progressives” who write for the NYT.

    […]

    Our problem is not immigrants or refugees, whom we could deal with easily, in a civilised but firm fashion, which doesn’t betray our own ethnic self-interests. Our problem is with a white “progressive” elites, in Europe and America, who are beholden to an ideology of white racial self-denial and self-contempt.

    This from Roger Hicks of London (poor fellow), who hits the nail on the head. At least as a consolation prize for losing his city to the Muslim masses he got a NYT “pick” on his comment.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Bill P

    Only hicks write comments like that, don't you know?!

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Bill P

    If Roger Hicks isn't a handle, I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Hicks gets a visit from the local constabulary for a "discussion" of his attitude towards immigrants, refugees and elites.

    Replies: @Barnard

  28. @anony-mouse
    1/ Not bad journalism from Friedman-no talking to taxi drivers for example.

    2/ Idea-many European countries should announce that they are giving up many of their Mediterranean islands-especially the completely uninhabited ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Greece

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Wilkey

    Friedman seems to be slowly coming around on immigration, like turning an aircraft carrier.

    Rather than giving up islands, Europeans should stabilize Libya. Not destabilizing it in the first place would have been preferable, but at this point, they need to put a cork in it. Get representatives of all the tribal militias together, and negotiate an agreement to share power and oil revenues. Then offer them all an additional financial incentive to stop illegal migration.

    Put the caravans Friedman mentions to work going in reverse. Transport migrants who wash up on European coastlines to Libya, record their biometric data, and give $500 to the migrant and $500 to the smugglers when that migrant shows up at a European consulate in Niger or somewhere else in Sub-Saharan Africa. Throw in another $500 if he’s willing to get a vasectomy.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    Ditto on Libya. At this point, Quaddafi's idea of a pan-African government doesn't seem like such a bad one. I think we would be much better off right now if we were negotiating with him as dictator of northern Africa...

  29. @Bies Podkrakowski
    Any help to Africa will only increase population pressure. In other words it will make things worse before it makes them better.

    So how we are going to stop them before great Southern Volkwanderung starts? Preferably without shooting them on the beaches. This would be costly in terms of conscience.

    Replies: @Cracker, @Olorin

    Just checked the cabinet. I’m all out of conscience…My neighbors are too.

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Cracker

    However not everybody is. And if blood stains Mediterranean beaches many people will insists that their governments stop shooting.

    Besides shooting unarmed people isn't good for the collective soul of the nation.

    However if we don't want to shoot them near us, and we don't have (or don' want to invest in) nonlethal means of stopping Volkwanderung we can always outsource the task to Saharan warlords.

    Out of sight out of mind.

  30. There’s at least one country that disagrees. It’s fences don’t stop all the African immigrants illegal infiltrators, but they do give time for the military to arrive and arrest the border crossers. From YNet News:

    Apartheid Israel is so backward. People aren’t illegal!

    They’re criminal infiltrators.

    Personally, I don’t think the challenges posed to the world by the current runaway African population growth are unbeatable: the Population Bomb has been defused in most of the rest of the world, leaving Africa as the hardest nut to crack.

    The Oligarch Class and the open borders fanatics are doing everything they can to make sure that bomb doesn’t get defused, though. By insisting that the problem always be foisted onto someone else, they remove incentives and work to perpetuate the problem.

  31. @pyrrhus
    Topsoil, farmland, and fresh water aquifers are disappearing all over the world, even in the most fertile areas, chiefly the US and Canada. Waving a magic wand over the problem isn't going to work, as the Saudis found out when they had to stop wheat farming because they ran out of groundwater. There will be massive famine in the 3d world within a generation, maybe much sooner, and 3d worlders will be using any methods available to escape.....

    And the bottom line will be that open borders will mean the end for civilized nations...

    Replies: @Anonym, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill

    The bottom line means collectively growing a pair and supporting policies of either shooting or maybe towing back those who would cross land or sea borders.

    70 years ago the Allies firebombed civilian populations. Attitudes changed to get to the point we are at now, they can change back again, it just takes a few years.

  32. Refus

    I like that a lot.

    It implicitly conveys the concept of “we refuse to accommodate this planetary refuse“. I say we ought to allow Nature to to take its course 🙁

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Richard S

    It also connotes the noun "refuse", which, in turn, brings to mind the floating piles of garbage in the Pacific that periodically make the news.

    Neal Stephenson is one of the few authors I can think of who's read by Steve as well as the left-of-center venture capitalists at Union Square Ventures (where Snow Crash is required reading). Speaking of which, ICYMI, I interviewed one of the partners there recently: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3963382-conversation-one-worlds-leading-venture-capitalists

    He, like Charles Murray, advocates giving every citizen a universal basic income. That came up in our discussion.

  33. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    A lefty acquaintance of mine had a conservative epiphany during her post-college Wanderjahre when she realized that all the rail lines and rolling stock she saw on the sub-continent had been provided by the Brits and all the public works projects she saw in the Horn of Africa and Libya had Italian dedication plaques. She would have made similar observations in many ex-colonies scatterde around the world. Much of the “third world” owes its continued existence to earlier”exploitative” and “enslaving” actions of the late colonial powers.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    Much of the “third world” owes its continued existence to earlier”exploitative” and “enslaving” actions of the late colonial powers.
     
    "Much" or "most"? And "earlier" or "current"? For without Western medical and "development" aid (which came long before Western fertility rates, which seem still a very long way off) Africa's population would likely be less than half of its current level.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Paul Theroux makes this point in his excellent book Dark Star Safari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_Safari). He also points out that much of the foreign built infrastructure is crumbling because Africans don't do maintenance.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  34. The solutions for the African threat to world peace and prosperity appear to me to require a threefold approach:

    – Perimeter defense …

    – …family planning …

    – Outside investment…

    Steve,

    I’ve just been searching Google and Unz.com for your comments on Dambisa Moyo. I read Dead Aid quite a while ago and don’t remember it clearly now, but I remember that I was impressed enough by it to think ending aid deserved at least a hearing. You’ve never commented on it?

    Aren’t family planning and investment the same ideas we’ve been trying for Africa for a while?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    Dambisa Moyo's general idea is that if African countries had to rely more on the bond markets for money instead of charity, that would inject more market discipline (also more business for her former colleagues at Goldman Sachs).

    As I think Steve has mentioned before, there hasn't been much emphasis on family planning in Africa. For example, the most popular Africa-focused charity I can think of is Charity Water, which digs wells for African villages.

    There has been some good news in Africa in recent years: economic growth has risen in many parts of the continent, thanks to the commodity boom earlier this century. And there are some smart, pragmatic leaders Europe could work with.

    Replies: @Marcus, @Chrisnonymous

    , @anon
    @Chrisnonymous


    Aren’t family planning and investment the same ideas we’ve been trying for Africa for a while?
     
    It all comes down to genetics - in this case too much r and too little K selection imo - so well meaning attempts to get people to behave contrary to their genetics won't work.

    1) perimeter defense (and personally although the blame for all of this should be aimed at the scum globalists responsible for it i'm *way* past the point of no return on how reasonable that defense is)

    2) figure out exactly what it is genetically that creates whitopias (breeding patterns, specific genes?)

    3) export those things to the places that don't have them - recolonizing if necessary
  35. @Bill P
    Pretty remarkable to see comments with so many upvotes on the NY Times like this one:

    A nation can tolerate a small amount of ethnic diversity, with the emphasis on SMALL. To expect Europeans to tolerate, let alone "celebrate", DIVERSITY to the extent that it is resulting in their own ethnic decline and ultimate demise, is Orwellian and totally insane. But this is what is happening at the moment, encouraged by "progressives" who write for the NYT.

    [...]

    Our problem is not immigrants or refugees, whom we could deal with easily, in a civilised but firm fashion, which doesn't betray our own ethnic self-interests. Our problem is with a white "progressive" elites, in Europe and America, who are beholden to an ideology of white racial self-denial and self-contempt.
     
    This from Roger Hicks of London (poor fellow), who hits the nail on the head. At least as a consolation prize for losing his city to the Muslim masses he got a NYT "pick" on his comment.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Diversity Heretic

    Only hicks write comments like that, don’t you know?!

  36. Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    Jewish people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate them into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant Israeli powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the Palestinians, it doesn’t seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    FIFY. P.S., the Indians fought against White Immigration. They probably scalped their fellows who talked about “fair dinkum” and “shoe on the other foot,” and staked them down for the crows to eat.

  37. @Dave Pinsen
    @anony-mouse

    Friedman seems to be slowly coming around on immigration, like turning an aircraft carrier.

    Rather than giving up islands, Europeans should stabilize Libya. Not destabilizing it in the first place would have been preferable, but at this point, they need to put a cork in it. Get representatives of all the tribal militias together, and negotiate an agreement to share power and oil revenues. Then offer them all an additional financial incentive to stop illegal migration.

    Put the caravans Friedman mentions to work going in reverse. Transport migrants who wash up on European coastlines to Libya, record their biometric data, and give $500 to the migrant and $500 to the smugglers when that migrant shows up at a European consulate in Niger or somewhere else in Sub-Saharan Africa. Throw in another $500 if he's willing to get a vasectomy.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous

    Ditto on Libya. At this point, Quaddafi’s idea of a pan-African government doesn’t seem like such a bad one. I think we would be much better off right now if we were negotiating with him as dictator of northern Africa…

  38. @pyrrhus
    Topsoil, farmland, and fresh water aquifers are disappearing all over the world, even in the most fertile areas, chiefly the US and Canada. Waving a magic wand over the problem isn't going to work, as the Saudis found out when they had to stop wheat farming because they ran out of groundwater. There will be massive famine in the 3d world within a generation, maybe much sooner, and 3d worlders will be using any methods available to escape.....

    And the bottom line will be that open borders will mean the end for civilized nations...

    Replies: @Anonym, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill

    Isn’t that a direct quote from Paul Ehrlich’s 1970s screed, “The Population Bomb”? You really ought to provide the cite. And get it right. Ehrlich predicted all this would happen within a decade, not a generation.

  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Fleeing devastated agriculture, overpopulation and unemployment, migrants from a dozen countries gather here in caravans every Monday night and make a mad dash through the Sahara to Libya, hoping to eventually hop across the Mediterranean to Europe.”

    It sounds like Africa (or West Africa) really needs to make addressing overpopulation a priority, especially since current population forecasts call for a doubling of the population in not too many years.

  40. @Big Bill

    Because, in the end, no wall will hold back this surging migrant tide.
     
    As Friedman, that duplicitous galut Jew well knows, it isn't "the wall" that holds them back, its the knowledge that the Israeli Army will machine gun any fool goyim who attempt to ram their way through it.

    Once the migrants believe that, a single strand of barbed wire would keep them out.

    Replies: @TG, @Jack D, @a reader

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other – oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it’s a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns – that’s some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Jack D


    "Israel is not East Germany ...."
     
    Duh! The DDR shot people trying to leave. Apples & Oranges.

    "You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants."
     
    Let's see if that holds true as the numbers grow exponentially. One thing you can say about shoot-to-kill is that it sends an unambiguous signal. BTW, this is not about justice, but if it was, illegal border incursions in force do warrant deadly force.
    , @bomag
    @Jack D

    At the bottom, at the bitter link, there is the genuine threat of machine guns.

    It is something to be avoided as long as possible, but you can't give the whole world an EBT card.

    , @Big Bill
    @Jack D

    You seriously think that the Israelis wouldn't shoot if illegal infiltrators rammed through their wall? Hell, they shoot illegal infiltrators who get caught in the DMZ too close the Gaza side of the fence. And illegal infiltrators tunneling into Israel or Gaza from the Sinai? Fugeddabout it. Those tunnels are blown up, populated or depopulated.

    They used to capture illegal infiltrators in Israel and turn them over to the Egyptians for special processing and "repatriation" to Sudan until word leaked out that the special processing was a bit too "special"and the Israeli bleeding hearts started screaming bloody murder in the Jewish press. Now they stick them in the desert concentration camp in Holot.

    Son, you can call it "sick fantasies" if you want. I call it "news reports from the Israeli press", and damn good border security. How else can Israel remain a Jewish country?

    , @Bill B.
    @Jack D

    An unfair comment. I think Big Bill did say "ram" and if they did that then yes I think the Israeli reaction might be robust.

    Ultimately all viable nation-states rest on the perception that the state will use violence to defend itself. The leader of the German anti-migrant party AfD was unfairly panned when she correctly said that this ultimately has to be the case.

    This is the whole point of the Camp of the Saints book of course.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Jack D

    It's Egyptians that do the machine-gunning at the border for them.



    15 Sudanese migrants killed by Egyptian security forces in crossfire near Israel-Egypt border

     



    Migrants killed on Egypt's border
    ...
    Egyptian border guards have shot dead two African migrants, as they tried to cross the frontier into Israel.

     



    Horrifying footage shows guard shooting dead naked, unarmed man after he waded past border fence in the sea

     



    How many migrants are dying at the border?
    ...
    seven African asylum-seekers were killed in September trying to cross into Israel on foot, but some Israeli NGOs and soldiers say the death toll at the border is far higher.
    ...
    The graveyard for asylum-seekers shot on the [Israeli side] of the border in Kibbutz Hatzor already holds 25 graves [since mid-2007]. Many of the asylum-seekers tell us that [other] bodies are left in the desert.''

     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Jack D

    At 200, Israel can still afford to be humane. Somewhere between 200 and 200,000, the machine guns and artillery come out. The tragedy of the West (although not Israel) is that the failure to deal firmly (rapid expulsion) but humanely with the low number guarantees the higher number and a bloodier solution, whether the West does it to the invaders or the invaders gain the upper hand and do it to the West.

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Jack D



    But no machine guns – that’s some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

     

    A pedantic point. Having a border guard who is armed with a machine gun arrest anyone who climbs the fence is still the spirit of an "obstacle covered by fire". If the fence climbers, when ordered to halt by guards, don't surrender and instead run, what happens then?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Yo Trump
    @Jack D

    The Israelis save their machine guns for their indigenous Palestinians.

  41. @Pat Gilligan

    200 Africans illegally enter Israel over fence

    Using ladders 6-10 meters high and the help of smugglers, migrants manage to bypass new border fence; IDF troops arrest them and take them to Saharonim detention center.

    by Yoav Zitun Published: 12.06.15
     

    If there's one country I'd avoid trying to secretly infiltrate it'd be Israel. I think I'd try to bum five bucks off Bernie Goetz before I'd do that.

    Replies: @Jack D

    And yet 10,000 made it over the border before Israel built the wall last year. Of course once they realized it was a problem, they did build a fence. They are not supermen but they are not idiots either.

  42. @Massimo Heitor
    "Fleeing devastated agriculture, overpopulation and unemployment..."

    Reporting from Agadez, Niger...

    Niger Population Density: 12.1/km^2
    UK Population Density: 262/km^2
    Italy Population Density: 201.7/km^2
    Germany Population Density: 227/km^2

    Fleeing overpopulation would be headed from super densely populated Europe to largely empty land like Niger, not the other way around.

    Obviously, people are fleeing poor, failed Africa states and want to migrate to the most successful nations on Earth in Europe. But saying overpopulation is the issue is obviously wrong. African nations have lots of problems but lack of unused physical land is not one of them. African nations are blessed with very large claims of valuable earth land mass.

    If any nations are strained for physical land it's those of Europe. The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing.

    Replies: @Trelane, @The Alarmist, @Olorin, @Diversity Heretic

    “The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing.”

    It’s the magic dirt.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Alarmist

    It was colonialism. But I think that you can't have it any more.

    Replies: @BB753

  43. Given the choice between discussing/ignoring the massive problems and population explosion in Africa, I’m glad NYT and Friedman are investigating and discussing it. My major journalistic cricitism is the absurdly backwards assertion that people are fleeing from overpopulation in Niger as I mentioned in my previous comment.

    Among liberals I’ve talked to on the issue of mass African immigration and complete demographic transformation of Europe, I get two general answers:

    1) White people had a good run, they had their turn, it’s time to pass on the torch, and celebrate a changing of the guard, ethnic replacement is absolutely inevitable, and objecting to it is racist. Honestly, objecting to ethnic replacement is racially biased, and arguably racist, but it’s also part of being human.

    2) That’s absurd, that’s a crazy conspiracy theory. The nations of Europe like France and Sweden will never be majority Muslim or majority black. I hear this from quite educated and informed people. I am almost baffled they are legitimately in denial.

    In all seriousness, there is a chance that population trends will change and things will not proceed as we expect them to. I am not optimistic, I expect that white people and cultures are going to shrink quite a bit, all signs seem to suggest that is inevitable, but often these kinds of predictions can be absurdly wrong. For several decades ~1970-2000, every economist was absolutely convinced that US software programming jobs were doomed, and would be driven to this low wage occupation practiced in cubicle farms in undeveloped nations. No company would pay a software developer $100K/year to sit at a desk in California when they can pay a similar employee to sit at a desk in some poor nation for $1/day. They were absurdly wrong.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Massimo Heitor


    Honestly, objecting to ethnic replacement is racially biased, and arguably racist, but it’s also part of being human.
     
    No, it's not arguably racist.

    If you define "racist" as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it's inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @anon

  44. Thought crime: Hillary, the humanitarian, may have exacerbated this problem by “liberating” Libya…

  45. @anony-mouse
    1/ Not bad journalism from Friedman-no talking to taxi drivers for example.

    2/ Idea-many European countries should announce that they are giving up many of their Mediterranean islands-especially the completely uninhabited ones.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Greece

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Wilkey

    You’ve got it half right. Since Greece and the EU apparently can’t force their home nations, or the nations through which they most recently passed (e.g., Turkey), to take them back, simply put all the refugees on a few Aegean islands, and blockade them, and tell them that’s all the farther into Europe they will get. They can live there in tents the rest of their lives with minimal basic resources, or they can go home. They will stop coming almost immediately.

  46. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    “Israel is not East Germany ….”

    Duh! The DDR shot people trying to leave. Apples & Oranges.

    “You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.”

    Let’s see if that holds true as the numbers grow exponentially. One thing you can say about shoot-to-kill is that it sends an unambiguous signal. BTW, this is not about justice, but if it was, illegal border incursions in force do warrant deadly force.

  47. Friedman is an exemplar of the NPR Nice Lady school of journalism.

    Our local news radio, which has content sharing arrangements with BBC World, DW and NPR, has daily agit-prop from reporters ‘on the ground’. They all go something like this:

    “The crowd becomes impatient, and the young men start to chant. One tries in vain to break the padlock with a rock. Off to one side, a lady sits stitching some kind of garment. Fatima looks older than her thirty four years. ‘How can you work in the middle of all this?’ I ask her.
    ‘I must finish the scarf’, she tells me ‘… in our culture, a guest must always present the host with gifts.’

    • Replies: @CJ
    @G Pinfold


    “The crowd becomes impatient, and the young men start to chant. One tries in vain to break the padlock with a rock. Off to one side, a lady sits stitching some kind of garment. Fatima looks older than her thirty four years. ‘How can you work in the middle of all this?’ I ask her.
    ‘I must finish the scarf’, she tells me ‘… in our culture, a guest must always present the host with gifts.’
     
    Excellent observation and distillation, Gilbert. We get lots of that here on public broadcasting too, and this being Canada we get it in French and English. No matter the source, USA Canada Belgium France Switzerland Germany Sweden, it's all the same, very much like your pastiche. What we're now calling social justice warriors or virtue-signalers are virtually identical in mentality throughout the western world.
  48. @Keith Vaz
    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees. I guarantee that word would have spread very rapidly to the Third World masses not to mess with Europe in actions their minds understand very well.

    Instead we get mixed messages and incoherent leftist pandering and moralizing only encouraging more immivaders to die and more Europeans lives ruined by the aggressive thugs that do make it. I can't help but feel this is related to weak female leaders, specifically Merkel.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    Killing them would be stupid. It would be a PR disaster the Left would use against immigration enforcement forever and ever and ever and ever.

    Libya can’t stop the Italian Navy from landing on Libyan shores and dropping off all the refugees found floundering in the Atlantic. Keep sending them back and they will stop trying to come. It really ain’t that hard. See above for my solution to the problem in Greece.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Wilkey

    I think Stalin had a solution for that.

    , @Yngvar
    @Wilkey

    "...and dropping off all the refugees found floundering in the Atlantic."

    I can immediately see a problem with your plan.

  49. What’s the trick to see NYT comments? I could see them until about a year ago, and then they disappeared.

    TIA

  50. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    At the bottom, at the bitter link, there is the genuine threat of machine guns.

    It is something to be avoided as long as possible, but you can’t give the whole world an EBT card.

  51. Mostly OT (but as with many of Steve’s posts, still somewhat on-topic):

    6’8″ 280 lb. cyborg arrested for rape

    http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/04/13/baylors-shawn-oakman-arrested-for-rape/

  52. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    You seriously think that the Israelis wouldn’t shoot if illegal infiltrators rammed through their wall? Hell, they shoot illegal infiltrators who get caught in the DMZ too close the Gaza side of the fence. And illegal infiltrators tunneling into Israel or Gaza from the Sinai? Fugeddabout it. Those tunnels are blown up, populated or depopulated.

    They used to capture illegal infiltrators in Israel and turn them over to the Egyptians for special processing and “repatriation” to Sudan until word leaked out that the special processing was a bit too “special”and the Israeli bleeding hearts started screaming bloody murder in the Jewish press. Now they stick them in the desert concentration camp in Holot.

    Son, you can call it “sick fantasies” if you want. I call it “news reports from the Israeli press”, and damn good border security. How else can Israel remain a Jewish country?

  53. One NYT commenter says:

    I am struck by the condescending assumption that the real problem is the inability of individual Africans to control their family size. African women simply are not in a political, economic or cultural position to control their own fertility

    It would be equally condescending and unreasonable to look at a wild animal and say, “Hey, you shouldn’t get eaten by that predator.” Or, “You should have been better at getting food so you don’t starve.” The basic reality of wild animals involves lots of getting eaten by predators and starvation, and yes, telling animals to just not have those problems is condescending and unreasonable.

    Humans face similar natural limits and population control. When the Soviet Union had a famine in 1921, nine million people died. If a father had 17 children and can’t care for them, they suffer. Africa has always worked like this.

    What’s bizarre is suddenly unlike absolutely any other point in history, a man deep in Africa has 17 children, can’t care for them, and this problem belongs to Europe? And the people of Europe? And suddenly working class Europeans struggling to hold a job in the complex modern economy and provide for two children of their own must be shoulder the burden of providing for this man’s 17 kids?

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Massimo Heitor


    What’s bizarre is suddenly unlike absolutely any other point in history, a man deep in Africa has 17 children, can’t care for them, and this problem belongs to Europe? And the people of Europe? And suddenly working class Europeans struggling to hold a job in the complex modern economy and provide for two children of their own must be shoulder the burden of providing for this man’s 17 kids?
     
    Cuckoldry has long had a role in (or over) the West and Europeans, as a tool of political and religious power.

    I seem to recall a fundamental story about a Jewish baby being put inside a basket by its mother and floated downriver to the house of a very rich family of Egyptians (who apparently had no hippopotamuses in the neighborhood).

    Later there was a magical baby put inside a Jewish woman by some kind of luminescent pigeon doing the bidding of a different--and similar--sort of bloodline-securer.

    Then there's that whole phenomenon where people are supposed to call a stranger with religio-social power "father" or "sister," and grant them authority over their own fathers.

    Alienating people from blood and soil is the gyre that gives Abrahamic religion its twist (and character, IMO).

    Abraham, you remember him. The guy for whom land was a thing you found a high patch of, to go slaughter your bloodline because (((the big guy))) told you to. Or so you claim. Then you change your mind at the last minute because (((the big guy))) told you do. Or so you claim. And then you get remembered as a highly evolved hero figure as a result of abusing your offspring.

    When you start looking at Abrahamic religion (and societies where those have power) as a meme-cloud of systematized genetic replacement, its daft and unbelievable tales become a lot clearer. Why should the merits of magic mud and miscegenation be any different? The progressive religion is working with very old memes here.

  54. “I don’t know what Africa will be like a few years from now, but I do know that it will remain true to its cultural heritage, even if it looks very different from the country we see now. I know this because, through all the disorder, the people still haven’t lost sight of their dreams.”

    http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/about.php

  55. @Bies Podkrakowski
    Any help to Africa will only increase population pressure. In other words it will make things worse before it makes them better.

    So how we are going to stop them before great Southern Volkwanderung starts? Preferably without shooting them on the beaches. This would be costly in terms of conscience.

    Replies: @Cracker, @Olorin

    ‘Scuse me for asking, but whites have been shooting each other on beaches for the past 100 years.

    Why should we suddenly develop qualms of conscience over Africans?

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Olorin

    I think the tradition of beach shooting doesn't have hundred years. Required technology (landing craft) is rather new. But the general point stands: Europeans killed each other a lot. But in those inter-European massacres both sides were armed.

    In "The Land Raft" scenario initial wave of African settlers will be unarmed. Shooting them will look bad on TV. It will take time before hearts and attitudes harden. And frankly speaking I would prefer my nation to remain more or less "good".

    So - as I have already proposed in answer to Rule .303 post - I propose outsourcing the task of stopping The Land Raft to Saharan warlords. We can dub them Sand Pirates. Let the necessary bloody deeds be done far from home.

  56. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Tony, it’s called holding land by “Right of Conquest”. If I conquer you, I take it. If you conquer me, you take it. “Fairness” has nothing to do with it.

    As Good Professor Dershowitz explicitly noted, the Jews hold Israel by Right of Conquest, and not because a bunch of goyim held up their hands in some European convention and voted to give it to them.

    The Volksdeutsch left Poland and the Ukraine and all the other European countries from 1944-1949 not because FDR, Stalin and Churchill raised their hands and voted for it at the Potsdam Conference, but because the locals raped and murdered the German civilians until they fled for their lives by the millions. That is “Conquest”.

    If you hold your manhood so cheap, if you are so tired and weary of life, feel free to give them your mother, your wife and your daughter for their pleasure and bare your neck to their sword “because it’s only fair”.

    I shan’t.

  57. If the people of Africa vote with their feet, they vote for Europe.

    If the people of Africa vote on a ballot, they vote for Africa.

    The moral of this story is that society should elect leaders and institutions with the former style of voting, not the latter.

  58. @Massimo Heitor
    "Fleeing devastated agriculture, overpopulation and unemployment..."

    Reporting from Agadez, Niger...

    Niger Population Density: 12.1/km^2
    UK Population Density: 262/km^2
    Italy Population Density: 201.7/km^2
    Germany Population Density: 227/km^2

    Fleeing overpopulation would be headed from super densely populated Europe to largely empty land like Niger, not the other way around.

    Obviously, people are fleeing poor, failed Africa states and want to migrate to the most successful nations on Earth in Europe. But saying overpopulation is the issue is obviously wrong. African nations have lots of problems but lack of unused physical land is not one of them. African nations are blessed with very large claims of valuable earth land mass.

    If any nations are strained for physical land it's those of Europe. The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing.

    Replies: @Trelane, @The Alarmist, @Olorin, @Diversity Heretic

    An extraordinarily important point, and one that led me to turn away from conventional “population control” policy circles in the 1990s.

    There is so much common sense that simply will not and cannot be discussed in those circles, which revolve largely around tootling the latest ideology in return for “philanthropic” and government billion$.

  59. @Mark Eugenikos
    @Tiny Duck


    ...a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance...
     
    May you get to depend on functioning governments, social welfare, medicine, communications, transportation, etc. developed and maintained by those "rivals" from other parts of the world that are going to procreate us into irrelevance.

    Replies: @Olorin

    The real “irrelevance” is the ideology of people like this clown, who want to continue hatin’ on Europe and the west even as everybody on earth outside of our nations wants to move in.

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2014/11/theres-something-about-teutonics.html

    By the way, MG has a new piece as of 3/31 after a long hiatus–for all you fans of TWCS blog.

  60. anon • Disclaimer says:

    These people could very, very easily be kept out of Europe. All that is lacking is the political will to do so.

    Btw, there is only ONE Europe. Once it is used as the “escape hatch” from basket case Africa and becomes the next Africa, there is nowhere else to go….

  61. I don’t know about you guys but the good parts of the Shadowrun future can’t get here fast enough.

  62. @pyrrhus
    Topsoil, farmland, and fresh water aquifers are disappearing all over the world, even in the most fertile areas, chiefly the US and Canada. Waving a magic wand over the problem isn't going to work, as the Saudis found out when they had to stop wheat farming because they ran out of groundwater. There will be massive famine in the 3d world within a generation, maybe much sooner, and 3d worlders will be using any methods available to escape.....

    And the bottom line will be that open borders will mean the end for civilized nations...

    Replies: @Anonym, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill

    The Good Christians of Iowa still honor Norman Borlaug. He and his crew caused the world population explosion by creating strains of fragile but high yielding cereals and spreading them around the world in their “Green Revolution”.

    While Borlaug’s high intensity, high chemical input, and high technology farming TRIPLED cereal production in India and Pakistan since the mid-20th Century, the population of both countries is now FOUR times as large (and growing).

    Thanks, Normie.

    Instead of a few hundred million starving in the 20th Century, we will shortly have billions starving.

    • Agree: Marcus
    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Big Bill

    If you don't like Borlaug, you're going to hate the rest of these guys:
    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/720221044900888577

    Replies: @juster

    , @Yngvar
    @Big Bill

    India.
    17% of the worlds population. 12% of the Earths arable land.
    And they still export food.
    Norman Borlaug is not the problem here.

  63. I am always amazed when I glance at a globe at the size of Africa versus the size of Europe. Certainly the Africans should be able to put their heads together and make something better from the land they already have than what they have been able to do thus far, especially with the help of air conditioning and better control of tropical pathogens that is now possible at relatively low cost. I have visited hospitals in Mozambique where even the malaria patients’ wards had wide-open windows with no screens.

    Biologically speaking, Africans must be better suited for the climate in Africa than in Europe or North America. I have heard, for example, that Africans who move to higher latitudes are more deficient in vitamin D than the native lighter-skinned people whose skin produces more vitamin D under European skies. It would make far more sense for anyone wishing to help poor Africans to find ways to make their lives easier and healthier within their own habitat.

  64. I wonder when the camels back is going to break. Perhaps when Friedman has to let a family of 12 live in his Manhattan apt?

    Flyover country needs to get over their xenophobia. Don’t ask anything of Maureen Dowd and co though.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @asdf

    Friedman lives on an estate outside of DC.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

  65. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    Obviously, if their aggressive growth results in the genocide of others. You’re a misanthropic monster.

  66. Curious, isn’t it, that Mr. Friedman seems somehow to have avoided interviewing the people smugglers? Wouldn’t you think that the New York Times would cover an expense involved in persuading a smuggler or two to sit still for a Mr. Friedman interview?

    All The News That Fits, We Print.

  67. The interwebs are probably exacerbating this migration crisis. 50 years ago, a goat herder in Niger had no idea how much better life in France was. In all likelihood, his yardstick was his father’s life and his standard of living was probably much better than his father’s had been.

    But now, life in Niger has not improved for a generation. Yet the youths can see how much better things are in Europe just by surfing the web on their phones (they actually probably have a very distorted perception on life in Europe based on reality TV and other celebrity crap). They don’t want to wait while some aid worker builds a green wall to stop desertification. They want immediate gratification. It’s a very strong impulse.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @CJ
    @SnakeEyes


    Yet the youths can see how much better things are in Europe just by surfing the web on their phones (they actually probably have a very distorted perception on life in Europe based on reality TV and other celebrity crap).
     
    Having met a fair number of immigrants from impoverished nations, I'd say the type of communication that is now doing the most to impel them northward is social media like Facebook and Instagram. When their cousin posts a bunch of photos of Paris or London, it looks like he is doing far better there than he really is. Run-down apartments in Oxnard or Newark look like the good life in pictures on Facebook.
  68. In reality, walls and other acts of self-defense are necessary parts of any practical plan for heading off this looming massive global tragedy.

    I agree.

  69. Just think of how many wives and children Mati Almaniq will have once he’s securely fastened himself to the European welfare teat.

  70. Israel already announced they are raising the fence another few meters. The main thing though is the more Israel builds fences that they try and circumvent, the more the Israelis become even more hostile to them. Why? Because it becomes so apparent that these people have absolute contempt for you and your laws. These Africans cannot possibly believe they are wanted, not when they are climbing a 20 foot razor wire topped fence. That is the true genius of the fence. You cannot help but notice how much sheer contempt these infiltrators have for you and that noticing, even to the Left, creates more momentum to do something to stop them. Doing nothing leads to sympathy for criminals. Doing something leads to doing more. And so the Israelis are not giving up – they are making an even taller fence! Dogs will be next and then we will see what after. The more the infiltrators show they are criminals, the more they will be treated that way.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Cwhatfuture

    Nice bit of insight there.

  71. @Massimo Heitor
    Given the choice between discussing/ignoring the massive problems and population explosion in Africa, I'm glad NYT and Friedman are investigating and discussing it. My major journalistic cricitism is the absurdly backwards assertion that people are fleeing from overpopulation in Niger as I mentioned in my previous comment.

    Among liberals I've talked to on the issue of mass African immigration and complete demographic transformation of Europe, I get two general answers:

    1) White people had a good run, they had their turn, it's time to pass on the torch, and celebrate a changing of the guard, ethnic replacement is absolutely inevitable, and objecting to it is racist. Honestly, objecting to ethnic replacement is racially biased, and arguably racist, but it's also part of being human.

    2) That's absurd, that's a crazy conspiracy theory. The nations of Europe like France and Sweden will never be majority Muslim or majority black. I hear this from quite educated and informed people. I am almost baffled they are legitimately in denial.

    In all seriousness, there is a chance that population trends will change and things will not proceed as we expect them to. I am not optimistic, I expect that white people and cultures are going to shrink quite a bit, all signs seem to suggest that is inevitable, but often these kinds of predictions can be absurdly wrong. For several decades ~1970-2000, every economist was absolutely convinced that US software programming jobs were doomed, and would be driven to this low wage occupation practiced in cubicle farms in undeveloped nations. No company would pay a software developer $100K/year to sit at a desk in California when they can pay a similar employee to sit at a desk in some poor nation for $1/day. They were absurdly wrong.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Honestly, objecting to ethnic replacement is racially biased, and arguably racist, but it’s also part of being human.

    No, it’s not arguably racist.

    If you define “racist” as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it’s inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @ben tillman


    If you define “racist” as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it’s inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.
     
    Words are generally defined by their mainstream usage. The word "racist" is generally emotionally charged and it's meaning and interpretation can varies quite a bit. This makes it a poor choice of word to use when communicating effectively.

    If you are truly race blind, and don't notice or care about race, then race replacement or non-violent genocide will not bother you. It will only upset someone to see a racial group go extinct if they value that group more than the others that are replacing it. Most people would consider this racist. I would stress that I don't think that form of racism is bad or immoral, but I do think people will call it racist.

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman, @Yo Trump

    , @anon
    @ben tillman

    Yes, the racism here is explicitly anti-White - *we* deserve to have our own homeland but *you* don't.

  72. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Wilkey
    @Keith Vaz

    Killing them would be stupid. It would be a PR disaster the Left would use against immigration enforcement forever and ever and ever and ever.

    Libya can't stop the Italian Navy from landing on Libyan shores and dropping off all the refugees found floundering in the Atlantic. Keep sending them back and they will stop trying to come. It really ain't that hard. See above for my solution to the problem in Greece.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Yngvar

    I think Stalin had a solution for that.

  73. By titling this piece “Out of Africa” the New York Times is doing its best to reassure us that everything is fine. Didn’t we all come out of Africa? This will be like when your long-lost brother or aunt or cousin comes to visit.

    Okay, 4 billion brothers and aunts and cousins by 2100 AD. But counting is a male patriarchy thing, something that northern European ADD OCD males do because they can’t help it. Feel the love, my brothers.

    They’re coming Out of Africa. Cue the Disney Lion King music. I feel better already.

  74. @Keith Vaz
    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees. I guarantee that word would have spread very rapidly to the Third World masses not to mess with Europe in actions their minds understand very well.

    Instead we get mixed messages and incoherent leftist pandering and moralizing only encouraging more immivaders to die and more Europeans lives ruined by the aggressive thugs that do make it. I can't help but feel this is related to weak female leaders, specifically Merkel.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees.

    Exactly–with Wilkey’s caveat. You simply tow the things back to the Libyan coast and sink them there. If they foundered, then you dump the refugees back there on the coast. The problem fixes itself pretty much immediately.

    I get very tired of this nonsense–even from a few deluded commentators here– that the refugees “can’t be stopped”. Never has there been such a power differential between an invading force and the people of the lands they are invading. The Italian Navy alone could end this problem.

    Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes. (Hence … “sports”.) If you had EU forces actually out there commissioned to intercept and take over invading boats, tow them, sink them, push the invaders back to foreign shores … you’d have a ton of young men vying to take those jobs. It’s when you sign up for your “Navy” and you’re forced to be a friggin’ pansy, doing “social work” helping African and Muslim invaders onto your soil so they can rip off your nation and rape your women … that’s what sucks the spirit out of an armed force.

    Europeans–heck white people generally–aren’t all a bunch of whimps. What ails them is an evil “progressive” ideology, enforced by an evil elite.

    Let these European defense forces defend and these Africans are a non-issue … left to screw up their own countries.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    The EU actually favors the invaders over the indigenous.

    Think of a Hillary led Democrat Party. That's the EU.

    , @Erik Sieven
    @AnotherDad

    "Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes."
    but thats something the young women do not want. young women in Europe want to have as many young man in Europe as possible, so that in Europe they have to fight for the women in a equal playing field (in fact it is of course not equal since different populations have been selected for different levels of attractiveness). So to defend Europe young european males would have to accept to AGAINST the interest of african males (who they teached to love) and against the inters of european females. The problem is only that the partner market is obviously arranged in a way that European males would decrease their chances by acting that way. So to enhance their chances they do allow the immigration which in the ende results for worse chances for everybody. Classical prisoners dilemma.

    , @Bill B.
    @AnotherDad

    I think the thing is to do it.

    Once tough measures are introduced the howling will be tremendous but the volume will ease once it is clearly a fait accompli. cf Australia.

    This if course requires some pols with testicular fortitude, a willingness to use force majeure tactics and the willingness to play very hard and sharp in the propaganda war.

    , @anon
    @AnotherDad


    I get very tired of this nonsense–even from a few deluded commentators here– that the refugees “can’t be stopped”.
     
    It's a deliberate demoralization tactic from people who want Europe destroyed aimed at getting people to give up.

    Simply ask them if they think Israel can stop it and you'll get a different answer.
  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Col. Mohammar Kaddafy got clipped by the global banking cartel mafia.

    Gaddafi wanted a gold dinar currency to unite Africa.

    Libya may be a war-torn howling wasteland but it does now have a central bank!

    (And there will be absolutely no gold dinars issued, in case you’re wondering. Paper script and digital cash, yes. Gold? Hell no.)

  76. @ben tillman
    @Massimo Heitor


    Honestly, objecting to ethnic replacement is racially biased, and arguably racist, but it’s also part of being human.
     
    No, it's not arguably racist.

    If you define "racist" as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it's inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @anon

    If you define “racist” as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it’s inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.

    Words are generally defined by their mainstream usage. The word “racist” is generally emotionally charged and it’s meaning and interpretation can varies quite a bit. This makes it a poor choice of word to use when communicating effectively.

    If you are truly race blind, and don’t notice or care about race, then race replacement or non-violent genocide will not bother you. It will only upset someone to see a racial group go extinct if they value that group more than the others that are replacing it. Most people would consider this racist. I would stress that I don’t think that form of racism is bad or immoral, but I do think people will call it racist.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Massimo Heitor


    It will only upset someone to see a racial group go extinct if they value that group more than the others that are replacing it.
     
    Comments like this are how you can tell people's ethnic background.

    If you're a sociopath from group A then you won't care if people from group B are replacing people from group C unless you have an ethnic preference for group C.

    *Obviously* if you're not a sociopath then empathy would tell you that the people from group C have a perfectly natural preference for their own continued existence.

    outsider viewpoint - check
    sociopath - check
    unable to comprehend reciprocal morality - check
    projection - check
    , @ben tillman
    @Massimo Heitor


    If you are truly race blind, and don’t notice or care about race, then race replacement or non-violent genocide will not bother you.
     
    But, of course, the same holds true who complain about "racism" by whites.
    , @Yo Trump
    @Massimo Heitor

    So much for the love for (bio)diversity, eh? Extincting whites in their habitat is genocide by either replacement or homogenization. Protect our biome!

    Human over-population and global warming: ... [ crickets ]

  77. You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.

    It’s a country of courts and the rule of law and that applies to migrants who make asylum applications too.

    Once those guys are under the wall they will be under the protection of Israeli courts which protect them from outright being thrown back into Africa.

    But the migrants need lawyers. Does anyone know of good legal NGOs operating in Israel that defend migrants? I would like to donate a little bit of money.

    • Replies: @CJ
    @pedalmetal

    You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.

    I can't speak for others, but I'm not attacking Israel. I admire Israel. I want my country to adopt the border controls Israel has.

    , @WJ
    @pedalmetal

    As others have pointed out, it is not Israel that is being attacked in this context. It is the fact that many American supporters of Israel, advocate for open borders in this country. It is a disturbing trend in this demographic, that with just a few public exceptions, they are rabidly pro immigration into the US. They will loudly proclaim that we can't build a wall or even effectively enforce our borders but at the the same time they support Israel in doing exactly that.

    Replies: @pedalmetal

    , @anon
    @pedalmetal


    You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.
     
    deliberate dishonest deflection from the actual point which is the double standards of Jews living in the West want nationalist policies for Israel and the exact opposite for everyone else

    nationalists want the same thing for everyone
    SJWs want the same (different) thing for everyone
    Jews want one thing for them and a different thing for everyone else

    not complicated

  78. When the pigeons become too numerous and invasive of human spaces the solution is never “Keep feeding the pigeons!”

  79. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve, as long as we continue to suffer government by Economist magazine, the influx will not only continue, but will exponate, to the point that by next century, the ancient homeland and crucible of white European peoples will be essentially a black/brown continent.
    Kiss goodbye to tens of thousands of years of evolution and culture. The Lascaux paintings, the Gravettian culture?….nah, forget it, The Economist knows far better.
    You white Americans should worry too, because ultimately it’s your ancient forebears who are being pissed upon.
    The only real step European peoples – as opposed to their shitheaded leaders and the shitty EU – can take is to decisively vote in explicitly nationalist parties such ax Britain’s UKIP and Germany’s AfD. Nothing less will do.
    Britain’s upcoming EU referendum is an encouraging step. The sooner the EU goes, the better it is for white people.
    We have UKIP and UKIP only to thank for that.

  80. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    An unfair comment. I think Big Bill did say “ram” and if they did that then yes I think the Israeli reaction might be robust.

    Ultimately all viable nation-states rest on the perception that the state will use violence to defend itself. The leader of the German anti-migrant party AfD was unfairly panned when she correctly said that this ultimately has to be the case.

    This is the whole point of the Camp of the Saints book of course.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bill B.

    Another point is that everyday in every country of the world literally thousands of people are forcibly evicted from their homes and turfed out on the streets because their landlord decided, for whatever reason, to assert his ultimate rights over his property.

    No one - yet - seriously disputes the rights of landlords to possess their property or their use of force and the concomitant harshness of life visited upon delinquent tenants.

    Yet, the logical extention the same principle to nation states, which in the scheme of things is far, far more important and serious, is starting to be anathematized. It never was anathematized prior to 1945, and in the third world it is still not anathematized.

    Replies: @Bill B.

  81. @Trelane
    Mati Almaniq, from Niger, tells me he had left his three wives and 17 children back in his village to search for work in Libya...

    That's the dad I never had. We need men like this in the West. A good man, a family man, one who's willing to go the extra mile to feed his wives and families.

    Replies: @Bill B., @Ed

    You’re quite sure he is not just trying to complete the full set of four with a German hottie?

  82. @Richard S

    Refus
     
    I like that a lot.

    It implicitly conveys the concept of "we refuse to accommodate this planetary refuse". I say we ought to allow Nature to to take its course :(

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    It also connotes the noun “refuse”, which, in turn, brings to mind the floating piles of garbage in the Pacific that periodically make the news.

    Neal Stephenson is one of the few authors I can think of who’s read by Steve as well as the left-of-center venture capitalists at Union Square Ventures (where Snow Crash is required reading). Speaking of which, ICYMI, I interviewed one of the partners there recently: http://seekingalpha.com/article/3963382-conversation-one-worlds-leading-venture-capitalists

    He, like Charles Murray, advocates giving every citizen a universal basic income. That came up in our discussion.

  83. @AnotherDad
    @Keith Vaz


    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees.
     
    Exactly--with Wilkey's caveat. You simply tow the things back to the Libyan coast and sink them there. If they foundered, then you dump the refugees back there on the coast. The problem fixes itself pretty much immediately.

    I get very tired of this nonsense--even from a few deluded commentators here-- that the refugees "can't be stopped". Never has there been such a power differential between an invading force and the people of the lands they are invading. The Italian Navy alone could end this problem.

    Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes. (Hence ... "sports".) If you had EU forces actually out there commissioned to intercept and take over invading boats, tow them, sink them, push the invaders back to foreign shores ... you'd have a ton of young men vying to take those jobs. It's when you sign up for your "Navy" and you're forced to be a friggin' pansy, doing "social work" helping African and Muslim invaders onto your soil so they can rip off your nation and rape your women ... that's what sucks the spirit out of an armed force.

    Europeans--heck white people generally--aren't all a bunch of whimps. What ails them is an evil "progressive" ideology, enforced by an evil elite.

    Let these European defense forces defend and these Africans are a non-issue ... left to screw up their own countries.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Erik Sieven, @Bill B., @anon

    The EU actually favors the invaders over the indigenous.

    Think of a Hillary led Democrat Party. That’s the EU.

  84. CJ says:
    @G Pinfold
    Friedman is an exemplar of the NPR Nice Lady school of journalism.

    Our local news radio, which has content sharing arrangements with BBC World, DW and NPR, has daily agit-prop from reporters 'on the ground'. They all go something like this:

    "The crowd becomes impatient, and the young men start to chant. One tries in vain to break the padlock with a rock. Off to one side, a lady sits stitching some kind of garment. Fatima looks older than her thirty four years. 'How can you work in the middle of all this?' I ask her.
    'I must finish the scarf', she tells me '... in our culture, a guest must always present the host with gifts.'

    Replies: @CJ

    “The crowd becomes impatient, and the young men start to chant. One tries in vain to break the padlock with a rock. Off to one side, a lady sits stitching some kind of garment. Fatima looks older than her thirty four years. ‘How can you work in the middle of all this?’ I ask her.
    ‘I must finish the scarf’, she tells me ‘… in our culture, a guest must always present the host with gifts.’

    Excellent observation and distillation, Gilbert. We get lots of that here on public broadcasting too, and this being Canada we get it in French and English. No matter the source, USA Canada Belgium France Switzerland Germany Sweden, it’s all the same, very much like your pastiche. What we’re now calling social justice warriors or virtue-signalers are virtually identical in mentality throughout the western world.

  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill B.
    @Jack D

    An unfair comment. I think Big Bill did say "ram" and if they did that then yes I think the Israeli reaction might be robust.

    Ultimately all viable nation-states rest on the perception that the state will use violence to defend itself. The leader of the German anti-migrant party AfD was unfairly panned when she correctly said that this ultimately has to be the case.

    This is the whole point of the Camp of the Saints book of course.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Another point is that everyday in every country of the world literally thousands of people are forcibly evicted from their homes and turfed out on the streets because their landlord decided, for whatever reason, to assert his ultimate rights over his property.

    No one – yet – seriously disputes the rights of landlords to possess their property or their use of force and the concomitant harshness of life visited upon delinquent tenants.

    Yet, the logical extention the same principle to nation states, which in the scheme of things is far, far more important and serious, is starting to be anathematized. It never was anathematized prior to 1945, and in the third world it is still not anathematized.

    • Replies: @Bill B.
    @Anonymous

    Yes. The Burkean idea of home, patrimony and the compact between the living, the dead and the yet to be born somehow got thrown out of the window while I was giggling at Miley Cyrus's coochie.

    Now any pipsqueak politician or drive by billionaire feels superior to me as she or he gifts the country away.

  86. CJ says:
    @SnakeEyes
    The interwebs are probably exacerbating this migration crisis. 50 years ago, a goat herder in Niger had no idea how much better life in France was. In all likelihood, his yardstick was his father's life and his standard of living was probably much better than his father's had been.

    But now, life in Niger has not improved for a generation. Yet the youths can see how much better things are in Europe just by surfing the web on their phones (they actually probably have a very distorted perception on life in Europe based on reality TV and other celebrity crap). They don't want to wait while some aid worker builds a green wall to stop desertification. They want immediate gratification. It's a very strong impulse.

    Replies: @CJ

    Yet the youths can see how much better things are in Europe just by surfing the web on their phones (they actually probably have a very distorted perception on life in Europe based on reality TV and other celebrity crap).

    Having met a fair number of immigrants from impoverished nations, I’d say the type of communication that is now doing the most to impel them northward is social media like Facebook and Instagram. When their cousin posts a bunch of photos of Paris or London, it looks like he is doing far better there than he really is. Run-down apartments in Oxnard or Newark look like the good life in pictures on Facebook.

  87. @pedalmetal
    You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.

    It's a country of courts and the rule of law and that applies to migrants who make asylum applications too.

    Once those guys are under the wall they will be under the protection of Israeli courts which protect them from outright being thrown back into Africa.

    But the migrants need lawyers. Does anyone know of good legal NGOs operating in Israel that defend migrants? I would like to donate a little bit of money.

    Replies: @CJ, @WJ, @anon

    You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.

    I can’t speak for others, but I’m not attacking Israel. I admire Israel. I want my country to adopt the border controls Israel has.

  88. First implement a domestic policy:

    For every lovely on the dole,
    Mandatory birth control.

    We would immediately begin to reverse cognitive decline across all races if we stopped paying the least capable to reproduce.

    Then apply the, er, fix internationally. Rightly or wrongly, if people believe they need to have seventeen children to secure their old age, then they will have seventeen children. It would be far cheaper for us in the long run to offer material goods now in exchange for vasectomies, than mass expulsions later. And sterilization today is morally preferable to genocide tomorrow.

    But since we are so good, we will choose the more evil solution.

    • Agree: Travis
  89. @Chrisnonymous

    The solutions for the African threat to world peace and prosperity appear to me to require a threefold approach:

    - Perimeter defense ...

    - ...family planning ...

    - Outside investment...
     
    Steve,

    I've just been searching Google and Unz.com for your comments on Dambisa Moyo. I read Dead Aid quite a while ago and don't remember it clearly now, but I remember that I was impressed enough by it to think ending aid deserved at least a hearing. You've never commented on it?

    Aren't family planning and investment the same ideas we've been trying for Africa for a while?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon

    Dambisa Moyo’s general idea is that if African countries had to rely more on the bond markets for money instead of charity, that would inject more market discipline (also more business for her former colleagues at Goldman Sachs).

    As I think Steve has mentioned before, there hasn’t been much emphasis on family planning in Africa. For example, the most popular Africa-focused charity I can think of is Charity Water, which digs wells for African villages.

    There has been some good news in Africa in recent years: economic growth has risen in many parts of the continent, thanks to the commodity boom earlier this century. And there are some smart, pragmatic leaders Europe could work with.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    @Dave Pinsen

    Didn't the Bush administration spend billions on condoms for southern Africa?

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Dave Pinsen

    I don't remember anything about bond markets, but I probably skipped it as I usually don't read anything about finance. What I remember taking away from that book was that she presented a pretty convincing argument that giving money to Africans was not only pointless but counterproductive as it enriched people who prevented the economies from developing.

    When Steve talks about investment in sustainable economic development, I just imagine it's another opportunity to learn a hard lesson about pouring money down the drain in Africa. If I had to bet, I'd bet that the only way to get large, fast positive changes in Africa is to do things for and to Africans.

    As far as family planning goes, it doesn't take much poking around in, for example, PubMed, to see that studies of condoms and other forms of birth control in Africa are constantly being published. The UN and WHO are on top of it, especially as birth control and HIV prevention overlap. Charities like the Gates Foundation are currently working on expanding access and education. But of course in an explicitly non-coercive form. Again, I doubt there will be any large, fast positive changes without threats or seriously strong initiatives like major rewards for voluntary sterilization. But what are the chances that the best and brightest Africans are the ones that would take advantage of that rather than the ones that really shouldn't breed?

    I think the real issue is not strategies, it's goal prioritization and rationalization in the west. Western elites need to start from the perspective that policies toward Africa are designed primarily to protect and assist the West, not to help Africans. The adoption of half-hearted or ineffectual policies stems from confusion about the ends.

  90. @AnotherDad
    @Keith Vaz


    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees.
     
    Exactly--with Wilkey's caveat. You simply tow the things back to the Libyan coast and sink them there. If they foundered, then you dump the refugees back there on the coast. The problem fixes itself pretty much immediately.

    I get very tired of this nonsense--even from a few deluded commentators here-- that the refugees "can't be stopped". Never has there been such a power differential between an invading force and the people of the lands they are invading. The Italian Navy alone could end this problem.

    Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes. (Hence ... "sports".) If you had EU forces actually out there commissioned to intercept and take over invading boats, tow them, sink them, push the invaders back to foreign shores ... you'd have a ton of young men vying to take those jobs. It's when you sign up for your "Navy" and you're forced to be a friggin' pansy, doing "social work" helping African and Muslim invaders onto your soil so they can rip off your nation and rape your women ... that's what sucks the spirit out of an armed force.

    Europeans--heck white people generally--aren't all a bunch of whimps. What ails them is an evil "progressive" ideology, enforced by an evil elite.

    Let these European defense forces defend and these Africans are a non-issue ... left to screw up their own countries.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Erik Sieven, @Bill B., @anon

    “Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes.”
    but thats something the young women do not want. young women in Europe want to have as many young man in Europe as possible, so that in Europe they have to fight for the women in a equal playing field (in fact it is of course not equal since different populations have been selected for different levels of attractiveness). So to defend Europe young european males would have to accept to AGAINST the interest of african males (who they teached to love) and against the inters of european females. The problem is only that the partner market is obviously arranged in a way that European males would decrease their chances by acting that way. So to enhance their chances they do allow the immigration which in the ende results for worse chances for everybody. Classical prisoners dilemma.

  91. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    It’s Egyptians that do the machine-gunning at the border for them.

    15 Sudanese migrants killed by Egyptian security forces in crossfire near Israel-Egypt border

    Migrants killed on Egypt’s border

    Egyptian border guards have shot dead two African migrants, as they tried to cross the frontier into Israel.

    Horrifying footage shows guard shooting dead naked, unarmed man after he waded past border fence in the sea

    How many migrants are dying at the border?

    seven African asylum-seekers were killed in September trying to cross into Israel on foot, but some Israeli NGOs and soldiers say the death toll at the border is far higher.

    The graveyard for asylum-seekers shot on the [Israeli side] of the border in Kibbutz Hatzor already holds 25 graves [since mid-2007]. Many of the asylum-seekers tell us that [other] bodies are left in the desert.”

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    In The Camp of the Saints an Egyptian admiral fires on the convoy to turn it away from the Suez Canal. Doing the jobs that Europeans just won't do.

    , @Anonymous
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Have you heard the merest, mutest,
    squeak of protest from the usual suspects at the action of the Egyptian border guards?

    Compare and contrast with the sound and fury vented on any EU vassal state that *even dares* to put up a chain link fence denoting a 'border'.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

  92. @Big Bill
    @pyrrhus

    The Good Christians of Iowa still honor Norman Borlaug. He and his crew caused the world population explosion by creating strains of fragile but high yielding cereals and spreading them around the world in their "Green Revolution".

    While Borlaug's high intensity, high chemical input, and high technology farming TRIPLED cereal production in India and Pakistan since the mid-20th Century, the population of both countries is now FOUR times as large (and growing).

    Thanks, Normie.

    Instead of a few hundred million starving in the 20th Century, we will shortly have billions starving.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Yngvar

    If you don’t like Borlaug, you’re going to hate the rest of these guys:

    • Replies: @juster
    @Dave Pinsen

    But wait, some of those people are Jewish! They must have had some sinister ulterior motive I guess.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @ben tillman

  93. @asdf
    I wonder when the camels back is going to break. Perhaps when Friedman has to let a family of 12 live in his Manhattan apt?

    Flyover country needs to get over their xenophobia. Don't ask anything of Maureen Dowd and co though.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Friedman lives on an estate outside of DC.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Dave Pinsen

    someone posted a picture of his mansion. Was it on this website? Anyway, it was a blockbuster. I think his wife has money. It should be able to house many hundreds of needy immigrants.

  94. @Massimo Heitor
    "Fleeing devastated agriculture, overpopulation and unemployment..."

    Reporting from Agadez, Niger...

    Niger Population Density: 12.1/km^2
    UK Population Density: 262/km^2
    Italy Population Density: 201.7/km^2
    Germany Population Density: 227/km^2

    Fleeing overpopulation would be headed from super densely populated Europe to largely empty land like Niger, not the other way around.

    Obviously, people are fleeing poor, failed Africa states and want to migrate to the most successful nations on Earth in Europe. But saying overpopulation is the issue is obviously wrong. African nations have lots of problems but lack of unused physical land is not one of them. African nations are blessed with very large claims of valuable earth land mass.

    If any nations are strained for physical land it's those of Europe. The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing.

    Replies: @Trelane, @The Alarmist, @Olorin, @Diversity Heretic

    What makes Europe special is Europeans. European-administered colonialism would be the best solution for Africa but we can’t talk about that anymore. Importing Africans to Europe means importing African behavior and problems–a policy of madness!

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @Diversity Heretic


    What makes Europe special is Europeans.

     

    _But_ this is largely based on the idea of majority rule democracies where citizens elect leaders and laws with ballots. The only mechanism for good leaders + laws to replace bad is for large numbers of voters who understand politics deeply enough to make good choices. In most of the world, that's a recipe for disaster. Even in US + Europe it is not remotely perfect.

    If you let Africans vote with their feet, they vote for Europe. Give them credit; they have good taste! If we just make more Europe type societies in the giant land mass of Africa, problem solved.

    So, clearly, most African nations are so terrible, that the majority of their populations are desperate to flee. And to be clear, this isn't just some foreign whites saying that African nations and cultures are horrible, this is the overwhelming majority of inhabitants.

    So here's the solution:

    Start with small regions of one of these horrific African nations that residents are overwhelmingly desperate to flee. Transfer permanent ownership and control of these small cities to a globalist governing company for some type of global monthly rent. Allow them to establish their own laws and compete to convince Africans (and others) to move there. The bad privately owned cities fail to attract people to move there, and they go out of business. The great privately owned cities attract millions of people, give people an option to flee the misery of living in present day Africa, and relieve pressures on existing functional nations in Europe to tear themselves apart for humanitarian reasons.

    Replies: @anon

  95. @Bill P
    Pretty remarkable to see comments with so many upvotes on the NY Times like this one:

    A nation can tolerate a small amount of ethnic diversity, with the emphasis on SMALL. To expect Europeans to tolerate, let alone "celebrate", DIVERSITY to the extent that it is resulting in their own ethnic decline and ultimate demise, is Orwellian and totally insane. But this is what is happening at the moment, encouraged by "progressives" who write for the NYT.

    [...]

    Our problem is not immigrants or refugees, whom we could deal with easily, in a civilised but firm fashion, which doesn't betray our own ethnic self-interests. Our problem is with a white "progressive" elites, in Europe and America, who are beholden to an ideology of white racial self-denial and self-contempt.
     
    This from Roger Hicks of London (poor fellow), who hits the nail on the head. At least as a consolation prize for losing his city to the Muslim masses he got a NYT "pick" on his comment.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Diversity Heretic

    If Roger Hicks isn’t a handle, I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Hicks gets a visit from the local constabulary for a “discussion” of his attitude towards immigrants, refugees and elites.

    • Replies: @Barnard
    @Diversity Heretic

    That was my thought as well. Even if Roger Hicks is a handle, I'm sure the New York Times would happily hand over is IP address to the British thought police.

  96. @AnotherDad
    @Keith Vaz


    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees.
     
    Exactly--with Wilkey's caveat. You simply tow the things back to the Libyan coast and sink them there. If they foundered, then you dump the refugees back there on the coast. The problem fixes itself pretty much immediately.

    I get very tired of this nonsense--even from a few deluded commentators here-- that the refugees "can't be stopped". Never has there been such a power differential between an invading force and the people of the lands they are invading. The Italian Navy alone could end this problem.

    Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes. (Hence ... "sports".) If you had EU forces actually out there commissioned to intercept and take over invading boats, tow them, sink them, push the invaders back to foreign shores ... you'd have a ton of young men vying to take those jobs. It's when you sign up for your "Navy" and you're forced to be a friggin' pansy, doing "social work" helping African and Muslim invaders onto your soil so they can rip off your nation and rape your women ... that's what sucks the spirit out of an armed force.

    Europeans--heck white people generally--aren't all a bunch of whimps. What ails them is an evil "progressive" ideology, enforced by an evil elite.

    Let these European defense forces defend and these Africans are a non-issue ... left to screw up their own countries.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Erik Sieven, @Bill B., @anon

    I think the thing is to do it.

    Once tough measures are introduced the howling will be tremendous but the volume will ease once it is clearly a fait accompli. cf Australia.

    This if course requires some pols with testicular fortitude, a willingness to use force majeure tactics and the willingness to play very hard and sharp in the propaganda war.

  97. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    At 200, Israel can still afford to be humane. Somewhere between 200 and 200,000, the machine guns and artillery come out. The tragedy of the West (although not Israel) is that the failure to deal firmly (rapid expulsion) but humanely with the low number guarantees the higher number and a bloodier solution, whether the West does it to the invaders or the invaders gain the upper hand and do it to the West.

  98. @Dave Pinsen
    @Big Bill

    If you don't like Borlaug, you're going to hate the rest of these guys:
    https://twitter.com/edwest/status/720221044900888577

    Replies: @juster

    But wait, some of those people are Jewish! They must have had some sinister ulterior motive I guess.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @juster

    I mentioned to Ed West that Haber was Jewish; he said 3 or 4 of them were.

    , @ben tillman
    @juster


    But wait, some of those people are Jewish! They must have had some sinister ulterior motive I guess.
     
    Not that I'm ascribing a sinister motive to them, but you seem to be the only one unable to grasp that this post and the comments are a discussion of a disastrous result that would befit a sinister motive.
  99. Just as well Fertility King didn’t make it to Europe, otherwise his wives and 17 children would have been granted the “right” to follow. If the navies in the Mediterranean don’t start using firepower soon to turn back these migrants Europe will quickly become a giant Niger Shantytown and it will be us seeking refuge from these African hordes seeking better lives and white wives.

  100. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Jack D

    It's Egyptians that do the machine-gunning at the border for them.



    15 Sudanese migrants killed by Egyptian security forces in crossfire near Israel-Egypt border

     



    Migrants killed on Egypt's border
    ...
    Egyptian border guards have shot dead two African migrants, as they tried to cross the frontier into Israel.

     



    Horrifying footage shows guard shooting dead naked, unarmed man after he waded past border fence in the sea

     



    How many migrants are dying at the border?
    ...
    seven African asylum-seekers were killed in September trying to cross into Israel on foot, but some Israeli NGOs and soldiers say the death toll at the border is far higher.
    ...
    The graveyard for asylum-seekers shot on the [Israeli side] of the border in Kibbutz Hatzor already holds 25 graves [since mid-2007]. Many of the asylum-seekers tell us that [other] bodies are left in the desert.''

     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous

    In The Camp of the Saints an Egyptian admiral fires on the convoy to turn it away from the Suez Canal. Doing the jobs that Europeans just won’t do.

  101. @Anonymous
    @Bill B.

    Another point is that everyday in every country of the world literally thousands of people are forcibly evicted from their homes and turfed out on the streets because their landlord decided, for whatever reason, to assert his ultimate rights over his property.

    No one - yet - seriously disputes the rights of landlords to possess their property or their use of force and the concomitant harshness of life visited upon delinquent tenants.

    Yet, the logical extention the same principle to nation states, which in the scheme of things is far, far more important and serious, is starting to be anathematized. It never was anathematized prior to 1945, and in the third world it is still not anathematized.

    Replies: @Bill B.

    Yes. The Burkean idea of home, patrimony and the compact between the living, the dead and the yet to be born somehow got thrown out of the window while I was giggling at Miley Cyrus’s coochie.

    Now any pipsqueak politician or drive by billionaire feels superior to me as she or he gifts the country away.

  102. @The Alarmist
    @Massimo Heitor


    "The global community should really figure out what makes Europe so special and bring it to these vast swaths of land in Africa that people are desperately fleeing."
     
    It's the magic dirt.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    It was colonialism. But I think that you can’t have it any more.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Anonymous

    I blame the Cold War.

  103. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    But no machine guns – that’s some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    A pedantic point. Having a border guard who is armed with a machine gun arrest anyone who climbs the fence is still the spirit of an “obstacle covered by fire”. If the fence climbers, when ordered to halt by guards, don’t surrender and instead run, what happens then?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Government policy always depends, ultimately, upon the threat of violence.

    Replies: @Jack D

  104. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Jack D



    But no machine guns – that’s some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

     

    A pedantic point. Having a border guard who is armed with a machine gun arrest anyone who climbs the fence is still the spirit of an "obstacle covered by fire". If the fence climbers, when ordered to halt by guards, don't surrender and instead run, what happens then?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Government policy always depends, ultimately, upon the threat of violence.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    There is a big difference between threat of violence and using violence as a first response - between "stop or I'll shoot" and "shoot first and ask questions later". You're right that every government does the former, but you don't want to live where government does the latter (and it is unfortunately increasingly common for government officers in the US do the latter and not just to black people).

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

  105. @bomag
    @AndrewR

    He has some use in that he reminds us what we are up against: any societal success will be thoroughly and completely punished and reversed.

    Replies: @Smitty

    I forgot everything in his comment before “fair dinkum.” That is one corny dude. Remember when Australian music and what-not was supposed to be catching on? But it didn’t. Lame trends seemingly do not propagate far from the lucky country… Aussies, still over by that dateline yet stuck oh so many years behind it

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Smitty

    Heinlein used "fair dinkum" in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.

  106. @Smitty
    @bomag

    I forgot everything in his comment before "fair dinkum." That is one corny dude. Remember when Australian music and what-not was supposed to be catching on? But it didn't. Lame trends seemingly do not propagate far from the lucky country... Aussies, still over by that dateline yet stuck oh so many years behind it

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Heinlein used “fair dinkum” in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.

  107. @Keith Vaz
    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees. I guarantee that word would have spread very rapidly to the Third World masses not to mess with Europe in actions their minds understand very well.

    Instead we get mixed messages and incoherent leftist pandering and moralizing only encouraging more immivaders to die and more Europeans lives ruined by the aggressive thugs that do make it. I can't help but feel this is related to weak female leaders, specifically Merkel.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @AnotherDad, @Anonymous

    I agree. Female leadership is killing the west

  108. @Big Bill

    Because, in the end, no wall will hold back this surging migrant tide.
     
    As Friedman, that duplicitous galut Jew well knows, it isn't "the wall" that holds them back, its the knowledge that the Israeli Army will machine gun any fool goyim who attempt to ram their way through it.

    Once the migrants believe that, a single strand of barbed wire would keep them out.

    Replies: @TG, @Jack D, @a reader

    its the knowledge that the Israeli Army will machine gun any fool goyim who attempt to ram their way through it.

    … or merely approach it.

    You’re warned.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @a reader

    Is this your idea of "merely approach"?


    Some 200 Palestinians approached the Gaza - Israeli border fence from the Strip, burning tires and throwing rocks. They ignored calls by soldiers to stop, entering a 100-meter perimeter area that is a closed military zone, and getting to within 50 meters of the fence, an army spokeswoman said.

    Soldiers first fired in the air to stop their advance. The rioters did not stop, however, and the IDF then fired
     

    When an Arab crowd gets fired up and goes into jihad mode, nothing short of bullets will stop them. If this had happened in an Arab country they would have machine gunned the lot of them and not just shot 5 or 6.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30974291

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/egypt-police-clash-with-muslim-brotherhood-supporters/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/world/middleeast/tens-of-thousands-fill-tahrir-square-on-anniversary-of-egyptian-revolt.html?_r=0

    If you type "cairo riots"into google it autofills 2013 2014 2015 etc. - they have them every year like clockwork. Probably the ONLY thing that runs like clockwork in that country.

    And don't forget the Black Hawk Down incident. The International Committee of the Red Cross estimated 200 Somali civilians killed and several hundred wounded in the fighting (not to mention a couple of thousand Somali "militiamen" (i.e.teenagers with AKs) killed/wounded).

  109. it would have helped if the west had kept Rhodesia and apartheid south africa in place. Those countries would have been good partners against mass migration from sub saharan africa. Israel shows that racism is not really an issue

  110. there is an infinite amount of possible “reasons” why almost every subsaharan african is much poorer than countries like Thailand, deforestation, the weather, climate change etc. etc. But this way of thinking would only make sense if there would have been once a real historic scenario with any african country being modernized and not basically everyone wanting to go to Europe / USA / Asia. To test the correlation between “wish to emigrate” and any other variable than “being in an subsaharan African country” one needs at least a few cases where “wish to emigrate” is not given. Correlation in a statistical sense does´t work otherwise.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Erik Sieven

    Actually, even putting aside S. Africa, many African big cities (Nairobi, Lagos, etc.) are surprisingly modern, with skyscrapers and traffic jams, etc. - it's not all grass huts and jungle. But modernity does not translate into prosperity when you have kleptocratic government, high birth rates, etc.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Erik Sieven

  111. @Anonymous
    @The Alarmist

    It was colonialism. But I think that you can't have it any more.

    Replies: @BB753

    I blame the Cold War.

  112. @Wilkey
    @Keith Vaz

    Killing them would be stupid. It would be a PR disaster the Left would use against immigration enforcement forever and ever and ever and ever.

    Libya can't stop the Italian Navy from landing on Libyan shores and dropping off all the refugees found floundering in the Atlantic. Keep sending them back and they will stop trying to come. It really ain't that hard. See above for my solution to the problem in Greece.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Yngvar

    …and dropping off all the refugees found floundering in the Atlantic.

    I can immediately see a problem with your plan.

  113. @Big Bill
    @pyrrhus

    The Good Christians of Iowa still honor Norman Borlaug. He and his crew caused the world population explosion by creating strains of fragile but high yielding cereals and spreading them around the world in their "Green Revolution".

    While Borlaug's high intensity, high chemical input, and high technology farming TRIPLED cereal production in India and Pakistan since the mid-20th Century, the population of both countries is now FOUR times as large (and growing).

    Thanks, Normie.

    Instead of a few hundred million starving in the 20th Century, we will shortly have billions starving.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @Yngvar

    India.
    17% of the worlds population. 12% of the Earths arable land.
    And they still export food.
    Norman Borlaug is not the problem here.

  114. @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Maybe you could ask yourself whether you want to live in a world where black Africans, Hindus and Chinese control everything.

    If your answer is yes, there is nothing I can do to help you.

    If on the other hand you want to be honest with yourself, then maybe we could talk.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Nico


    Maybe you could ask yourself whether you want to live in a world where black Africans, Hindus and Chinese control everything.
     
    The fundamental question, that.

    12:45 PM Thursday, sitting in the coffee shop, and a 200+ lb. blonde walks in with 2 mystery meat toddlers and what's probably another marble cake in the oven...no wedding band. Her drink of choice, of course, is a large caramel macchiato with extra caramel, and a slice of lemon loaf. Chocolate milk for the mocha kids. Meanwhile, an Asian woman walks out of the bathroom with her little boy; not a customer, but hey, it's a public place so it's a public bathroom. She looks at the little mulattoes milling around while their mother is texting, shakes her head, picks up her child to avoid contamination and walks out.

    We're in for interesting times.

  115. @Cracker
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    Just checked the cabinet. I'm all out of conscience...My neighbors are too.

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

    However not everybody is. And if blood stains Mediterranean beaches many people will insists that their governments stop shooting.

    Besides shooting unarmed people isn’t good for the collective soul of the nation.

    However if we don’t want to shoot them near us, and we don’t have (or don’ want to invest in) nonlethal means of stopping Volkwanderung we can always outsource the task to Saharan warlords.

    Out of sight out of mind.

  116. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Tiny Duck

    A lefty acquaintance of mine had a conservative epiphany during her post-college Wanderjahre when she realized that all the rail lines and rolling stock she saw on the sub-continent had been provided by the Brits and all the public works projects she saw in the Horn of Africa and Libya had Italian dedication plaques. She would have made similar observations in many ex-colonies scatterde around the world. Much of the "third world" owes its continued existence to earlier"exploitative" and "enslaving" actions of the late colonial powers.

    Replies: @Nico, @Jim Don Bob

    Much of the “third world” owes its continued existence to earlier”exploitative” and “enslaving” actions of the late colonial powers.

    “Much” or “most”? And “earlier” or “current”? For without Western medical and “development” aid (which came long before Western fertility rates, which seem still a very long way off) Africa’s population would likely be less than half of its current level.

  117. We lived in Germany in the 1970s. I have no idea what they do now, but back then Germany had a effective process for rooting out illegal immigrants. Germans had to carry internal passports. Everyone else in the country needed papers. They sealed large section of the autobahn. German neighbors said that the police would often arrest up to 300 people in these raids. My wife was apprehensive when we were stopped. One policeman would check papers while another aimed an automatic weapon at the car.

    Yes, these were the days of the Baader-Meinhof Gang. They were also before the fatal Schengen Treaty that allows Third Country Nationals to roam freely throughout the EU. For its survival, perhaps Germany and the rest of Europe need to get back to basics.

  118. Then, all of a sudden, the desert comes alive.

    Call in an air strike! /j

  119. @Diversity Heretic
    @Bill P

    If Roger Hicks isn't a handle, I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Hicks gets a visit from the local constabulary for a "discussion" of his attitude towards immigrants, refugees and elites.

    Replies: @Barnard

    That was my thought as well. Even if Roger Hicks is a handle, I’m sure the New York Times would happily hand over is IP address to the British thought police.

  120. @SFG
    @Tiny Duck

    Something tells me this troll is going to regenerate (under another name).

    Replies: @Johnny Smoggins

    I believe his previous nom de plume was “corvinus”

  121. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    Dambisa Moyo's general idea is that if African countries had to rely more on the bond markets for money instead of charity, that would inject more market discipline (also more business for her former colleagues at Goldman Sachs).

    As I think Steve has mentioned before, there hasn't been much emphasis on family planning in Africa. For example, the most popular Africa-focused charity I can think of is Charity Water, which digs wells for African villages.

    There has been some good news in Africa in recent years: economic growth has risen in many parts of the continent, thanks to the commodity boom earlier this century. And there are some smart, pragmatic leaders Europe could work with.

    Replies: @Marcus, @Chrisnonymous

    Didn’t the Bush administration spend billions on condoms for southern Africa?

  122. WJ says:
    @pedalmetal
    You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.

    It's a country of courts and the rule of law and that applies to migrants who make asylum applications too.

    Once those guys are under the wall they will be under the protection of Israeli courts which protect them from outright being thrown back into Africa.

    But the migrants need lawyers. Does anyone know of good legal NGOs operating in Israel that defend migrants? I would like to donate a little bit of money.

    Replies: @CJ, @WJ, @anon

    As others have pointed out, it is not Israel that is being attacked in this context. It is the fact that many American supporters of Israel, advocate for open borders in this country. It is a disturbing trend in this demographic, that with just a few public exceptions, they are rabidly pro immigration into the US. They will loudly proclaim that we can’t build a wall or even effectively enforce our borders but at the the same time they support Israel in doing exactly that.

    • Replies: @pedalmetal
    @WJ

    That's why supporting Israeli NGOs representing migrants should become the pet project of the HBDsphere.

    Replies: @Jack D

  123. @Diversity Heretic
    @Massimo Heitor

    What makes Europe special is Europeans. European-administered colonialism would be the best solution for Africa but we can't talk about that anymore. Importing Africans to Europe means importing African behavior and problems--a policy of madness!

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    What makes Europe special is Europeans.

    _But_ this is largely based on the idea of majority rule democracies where citizens elect leaders and laws with ballots. The only mechanism for good leaders + laws to replace bad is for large numbers of voters who understand politics deeply enough to make good choices. In most of the world, that’s a recipe for disaster. Even in US + Europe it is not remotely perfect.

    If you let Africans vote with their feet, they vote for Europe. Give them credit; they have good taste! If we just make more Europe type societies in the giant land mass of Africa, problem solved.

    So, clearly, most African nations are so terrible, that the majority of their populations are desperate to flee. And to be clear, this isn’t just some foreign whites saying that African nations and cultures are horrible, this is the overwhelming majority of inhabitants.

    So here’s the solution:

    Start with small regions of one of these horrific African nations that residents are overwhelmingly desperate to flee. Transfer permanent ownership and control of these small cities to a globalist governing company for some type of global monthly rent. Allow them to establish their own laws and compete to convince Africans (and others) to move there. The bad privately owned cities fail to attract people to move there, and they go out of business. The great privately owned cities attract millions of people, give people an option to flee the misery of living in present day Africa, and relieve pressures on existing functional nations in Europe to tear themselves apart for humanitarian reasons.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Massimo Heitor


    The only mechanism for good leaders + laws to replace bad is for large numbers of voters who understand politics deeply enough to make good choices.
     
    No. You just need a media that tells the truth.

    That's what we don't have - Western civilization is dying because it has been poisoned with lies.
  124. @neutral
    If you are not aware of this yet, then check out the Thomas Friedman article generator (http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com), its a computer program that creates a random writing in the style of Friedman, some of them are actually pretty close to the real thing.

    Replies: @slumber_j

    Wow. That thing is wondrous. Sample sentence from one it just generated for me, “Two Worlds Cracking Up”:

    When I visited Sweden in 2001, Mwambe, the cabbie who drove me from the airport, couldn’t stop telling me about how he had to take a second job because of the high cost of transportation.

  125. Consider another example: Venezuela.

    The people voted for this insane socialist leader and they got what they voted for, good and hard. Except the people are miserable.

    They voted for the leader that sounded the best, based on fiery rhetoric and dog whistle speeches, but instead they got this epic society meltdown disaster.

    Imagine if you took the same land, people, and resources of Venezuela, sub-divided it, let the insane socialist leader screw up certain areas and let some globalist expert city designers build these awesome places to live in the other parts. Then let the people vote with their feet. And repurpose the land used by the cities that no one wants to live in.

  126. anon • Disclaimer says:

    In reality, walls and other acts of self-defense are necessary parts of any practical plan for heading off this looming massive global tragedy.

    Yes.

    It was clear ten+ years ago – if you knew the things the media hides – that this would end with a global Holodomor due to a collapse in carrying capacity. If anyone still can’t see that then they are deluding themselves.

  127. @Trelane
    Mati Almaniq, from Niger, tells me he had left his three wives and 17 children back in his village to search for work in Libya...

    That's the dad I never had. We need men like this in the West. A good man, a family man, one who's willing to go the extra mile to feed his wives and families.

    Replies: @Bill B., @Ed

    I know you’re joking but this would actually be an improvement over the dominant mating strategy of African-Americans. Most African-American men can’t even be bothered to take care of their brood financially without coercion from the state.

  128. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Jack D

    It's Egyptians that do the machine-gunning at the border for them.



    15 Sudanese migrants killed by Egyptian security forces in crossfire near Israel-Egypt border

     



    Migrants killed on Egypt's border
    ...
    Egyptian border guards have shot dead two African migrants, as they tried to cross the frontier into Israel.

     



    Horrifying footage shows guard shooting dead naked, unarmed man after he waded past border fence in the sea

     



    How many migrants are dying at the border?
    ...
    seven African asylum-seekers were killed in September trying to cross into Israel on foot, but some Israeli NGOs and soldiers say the death toll at the border is far higher.
    ...
    The graveyard for asylum-seekers shot on the [Israeli side] of the border in Kibbutz Hatzor already holds 25 graves [since mid-2007]. Many of the asylum-seekers tell us that [other] bodies are left in the desert.''

     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous

    Have you heard the merest, mutest,
    squeak of protest from the usual suspects at the action of the Egyptian border guards?

    Compare and contrast with the sound and fury vented on any EU vassal state that *even dares* to put up a chain link fence denoting a ‘border’.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @Anonymous


    Have you heard the merest, mutest,
    squeak of protest from the usual suspects at the action of the Egyptian border guards?

    Compare and contrast with the sound and fury vented on any EU vassal state that *even dares* to put up a chain link fence denoting a ‘border’.
     
    Many countries summarily execute unwanted approaching migrants/refugees without a peep of globalist criticism: You cite Egypt. India does this on their border with Bangladesh. Nations of Africa do this.

    The social pressure to embrace global poor is uniquely targeted on whites.

    We should still open borders to allow globalists to establish sovereign city states in the failed nation states of the world.
  129. I’ll go all Rasputin on you.

    ‘If my brothers, the European people dissolve the EU by year 2020, white people will still exist by the next century.
    If they do not, white Europeans will vanish from the globe in the next coming century’.

  130. @Dave Pinsen
    @asdf

    Friedman lives on an estate outside of DC.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    someone posted a picture of his mansion. Was it on this website? Anyway, it was a blockbuster. I think his wife has money. It should be able to house many hundreds of needy immigrants.

  131. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    @Diversity Heretic


    What makes Europe special is Europeans.

     

    _But_ this is largely based on the idea of majority rule democracies where citizens elect leaders and laws with ballots. The only mechanism for good leaders + laws to replace bad is for large numbers of voters who understand politics deeply enough to make good choices. In most of the world, that's a recipe for disaster. Even in US + Europe it is not remotely perfect.

    If you let Africans vote with their feet, they vote for Europe. Give them credit; they have good taste! If we just make more Europe type societies in the giant land mass of Africa, problem solved.

    So, clearly, most African nations are so terrible, that the majority of their populations are desperate to flee. And to be clear, this isn't just some foreign whites saying that African nations and cultures are horrible, this is the overwhelming majority of inhabitants.

    So here's the solution:

    Start with small regions of one of these horrific African nations that residents are overwhelmingly desperate to flee. Transfer permanent ownership and control of these small cities to a globalist governing company for some type of global monthly rent. Allow them to establish their own laws and compete to convince Africans (and others) to move there. The bad privately owned cities fail to attract people to move there, and they go out of business. The great privately owned cities attract millions of people, give people an option to flee the misery of living in present day Africa, and relieve pressures on existing functional nations in Europe to tear themselves apart for humanitarian reasons.

    Replies: @anon

    The only mechanism for good leaders + laws to replace bad is for large numbers of voters who understand politics deeply enough to make good choices.

    No. You just need a media that tells the truth.

    That’s what we don’t have – Western civilization is dying because it has been poisoned with lies.

  132. Friedman,

    they’re *almost* at the gloating stage now where they stop pretending they didn’t do this deliberately and start dancing around laughing instead.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @anon

    I comment I saved from this site a few years ago. Sorry I didn't save the name of the poster:


    On my good days, I think the increasingly open, rabid and malicious persecution of white crimethinkers represents the last futile gasps of a failed ideology that knows the tide has turned and must resort to increasingly ruthless measures to stay in power.

    On my bad days, I think that the increasingly open, rabid and malicious persecution of white crimethinkers represents the muscle flexing of an omnipotent ideology that knows it has finally won and no longer has to try to hide its true nature behind a false civility.

     

    Replies: @anon

  133. The last 2 prongs of Steve’s strategy almost sound like he’s calling for a recolonization of Africa to keep them from colonizing Europe.

    How exactly are you going to run an effective family planning campaign and attract outside investment without having Western boots on the ground to ensure implementation?

    I say leave Africa for the Africans and whichever missionaries and NGOs feel compelled to intervene. Stick with the first prong and shrug off the old white man’s burden.

  134. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Tiny Duck
    Yes. Someone must do something about the unchecked growth of the culturally inferior untermenschen, ja?

    white people fear a future where rivals from other parts of the world are bound to procreate you into irrelevance. It is a bleak future indeed but consider this:

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world that are currently viewed as inferior, it doesn't seem fair dinkum to be so opposed to the shoe going on the other foot.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @International Jew, @mark miller, @SFG, @Mark Eugenikos, @boogerbently, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Big Bill, @ben tillman, @Nico, @anon

    Seeing as how the dominant white powers of the last few centuries achieved and held their dominance by exploiting and enslaving the areas of the world

    They achieved their dominance through developing better ships as a consequence of centuries of Arab slave raids.

    European imperialism started with planting colonies in north Africa (or Central Asia in Russia’s case) to stop slaving.

  135. @Nico
    @Tiny Duck

    Maybe you could ask yourself whether you want to live in a world where black Africans, Hindus and Chinese control everything.

    If your answer is yes, there is nothing I can do to help you.

    If on the other hand you want to be honest with yourself, then maybe we could talk.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Maybe you could ask yourself whether you want to live in a world where black Africans, Hindus and Chinese control everything.

    The fundamental question, that.

    12:45 PM Thursday, sitting in the coffee shop, and a 200+ lb. blonde walks in with 2 mystery meat toddlers and what’s probably another marble cake in the oven…no wedding band. Her drink of choice, of course, is a large caramel macchiato with extra caramel, and a slice of lemon loaf. Chocolate milk for the mocha kids. Meanwhile, an Asian woman walks out of the bathroom with her little boy; not a customer, but hey, it’s a public place so it’s a public bathroom. She looks at the little mulattoes milling around while their mother is texting, shakes her head, picks up her child to avoid contamination and walks out.

    We’re in for interesting times.

  136. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The solutions for the African threat to world peace and prosperity appear to me to require a threefold approach:

    - Perimeter defense ...

    - ...family planning ...

    - Outside investment...
     
    Steve,

    I've just been searching Google and Unz.com for your comments on Dambisa Moyo. I read Dead Aid quite a while ago and don't remember it clearly now, but I remember that I was impressed enough by it to think ending aid deserved at least a hearing. You've never commented on it?

    Aren't family planning and investment the same ideas we've been trying for Africa for a while?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon

    Aren’t family planning and investment the same ideas we’ve been trying for Africa for a while?

    It all comes down to genetics – in this case too much r and too little K selection imo – so well meaning attempts to get people to behave contrary to their genetics won’t work.

    1) perimeter defense (and personally although the blame for all of this should be aimed at the scum globalists responsible for it i’m *way* past the point of no return on how reasonable that defense is)

    2) figure out exactly what it is genetically that creates whitopias (breeding patterns, specific genes?)

    3) export those things to the places that don’t have them – recolonizing if necessary

  137. @Cwhatfuture
    Israel already announced they are raising the fence another few meters. The main thing though is the more Israel builds fences that they try and circumvent, the more the Israelis become even more hostile to them. Why? Because it becomes so apparent that these people have absolute contempt for you and your laws. These Africans cannot possibly believe they are wanted, not when they are climbing a 20 foot razor wire topped fence. That is the true genius of the fence. You cannot help but notice how much sheer contempt these infiltrators have for you and that noticing, even to the Left, creates more momentum to do something to stop them. Doing nothing leads to sympathy for criminals. Doing something leads to doing more. And so the Israelis are not giving up - they are making an even taller fence! Dogs will be next and then we will see what after. The more the infiltrators show they are criminals, the more they will be treated that way.

    Replies: @anon

    Nice bit of insight there.

  138. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Tiny Duck

    A lefty acquaintance of mine had a conservative epiphany during her post-college Wanderjahre when she realized that all the rail lines and rolling stock she saw on the sub-continent had been provided by the Brits and all the public works projects she saw in the Horn of Africa and Libya had Italian dedication plaques. She would have made similar observations in many ex-colonies scatterde around the world. Much of the "third world" owes its continued existence to earlier"exploitative" and "enslaving" actions of the late colonial powers.

    Replies: @Nico, @Jim Don Bob

    Paul Theroux makes this point in his excellent book Dark Star Safari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_Safari). He also points out that much of the foreign built infrastructure is crumbling because Africans don’t do maintenance.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Jim Don Bob

    The FT had an article about Djibouti last week, whose leaders' main business these days is leasing land to the armed forces of China, the US, France, and Japan. China is also financing some infrastructure - a new deep-water port, and a new railroad to Ethiopia - but most of the workers are Chinese because there weren't enough trained locals.

  139. @ben tillman
    @Massimo Heitor


    Honestly, objecting to ethnic replacement is racially biased, and arguably racist, but it’s also part of being human.
     
    No, it's not arguably racist.

    If you define "racist" as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it's inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @anon

    Yes, the racism here is explicitly anti-White – *we* deserve to have our own homeland but *you* don’t.

  140. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    @Keith Vaz


    This Third World immi-vasion could have been stopped ab initio if a sensible policy was implemented. That would be getting the Greek and Italian navies to sink any rafts of refugees.
     
    Exactly--with Wilkey's caveat. You simply tow the things back to the Libyan coast and sink them there. If they foundered, then you dump the refugees back there on the coast. The problem fixes itself pretty much immediately.

    I get very tired of this nonsense--even from a few deluded commentators here-- that the refugees "can't be stopped". Never has there been such a power differential between an invading force and the people of the lands they are invading. The Italian Navy alone could end this problem.

    Furthermore this is something that young men would *want* to do. Young men like the idea of taking *action* especially to defend their homelands and beat other young men from other tribes. (Hence ... "sports".) If you had EU forces actually out there commissioned to intercept and take over invading boats, tow them, sink them, push the invaders back to foreign shores ... you'd have a ton of young men vying to take those jobs. It's when you sign up for your "Navy" and you're forced to be a friggin' pansy, doing "social work" helping African and Muslim invaders onto your soil so they can rip off your nation and rape your women ... that's what sucks the spirit out of an armed force.

    Europeans--heck white people generally--aren't all a bunch of whimps. What ails them is an evil "progressive" ideology, enforced by an evil elite.

    Let these European defense forces defend and these Africans are a non-issue ... left to screw up their own countries.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Erik Sieven, @Bill B., @anon

    I get very tired of this nonsense–even from a few deluded commentators here– that the refugees “can’t be stopped”.

    It’s a deliberate demoralization tactic from people who want Europe destroyed aimed at getting people to give up.

    Simply ask them if they think Israel can stop it and you’ll get a different answer.

  141. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Massimo Heitor
    @ben tillman


    If you define “racist” as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it’s inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.
     
    Words are generally defined by their mainstream usage. The word "racist" is generally emotionally charged and it's meaning and interpretation can varies quite a bit. This makes it a poor choice of word to use when communicating effectively.

    If you are truly race blind, and don't notice or care about race, then race replacement or non-violent genocide will not bother you. It will only upset someone to see a racial group go extinct if they value that group more than the others that are replacing it. Most people would consider this racist. I would stress that I don't think that form of racism is bad or immoral, but I do think people will call it racist.

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman, @Yo Trump

    It will only upset someone to see a racial group go extinct if they value that group more than the others that are replacing it.

    Comments like this are how you can tell people’s ethnic background.

    If you’re a sociopath from group A then you won’t care if people from group B are replacing people from group C unless you have an ethnic preference for group C.

    *Obviously* if you’re not a sociopath then empathy would tell you that the people from group C have a perfectly natural preference for their own continued existence.

    outsider viewpoint – check
    sociopath – check
    unable to comprehend reciprocal morality – check
    projection – check

  142. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @pedalmetal
    You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.

    It's a country of courts and the rule of law and that applies to migrants who make asylum applications too.

    Once those guys are under the wall they will be under the protection of Israeli courts which protect them from outright being thrown back into Africa.

    But the migrants need lawyers. Does anyone know of good legal NGOs operating in Israel that defend migrants? I would like to donate a little bit of money.

    Replies: @CJ, @WJ, @anon

    You guys all like to attack Israel without careful qualification.

    deliberate dishonest deflection from the actual point which is the double standards of Jews living in the West want nationalist policies for Israel and the exact opposite for everyone else

    nationalists want the same thing for everyone
    SJWs want the same (different) thing for everyone
    Jews want one thing for them and a different thing for everyone else

    not complicated

  143. @Massimo Heitor
    One NYT commenter says:

    I am struck by the condescending assumption that the real problem is the inability of individual Africans to control their family size. African women simply are not in a political, economic or cultural position to control their own fertility
     
    It would be equally condescending and unreasonable to look at a wild animal and say, "Hey, you shouldn't get eaten by that predator." Or, "You should have been better at getting food so you don't starve." The basic reality of wild animals involves lots of getting eaten by predators and starvation, and yes, telling animals to just not have those problems is condescending and unreasonable.

    Humans face similar natural limits and population control. When the Soviet Union had a famine in 1921, nine million people died. If a father had 17 children and can't care for them, they suffer. Africa has always worked like this.

    What's bizarre is suddenly unlike absolutely any other point in history, a man deep in Africa has 17 children, can't care for them, and this problem belongs to Europe? And the people of Europe? And suddenly working class Europeans struggling to hold a job in the complex modern economy and provide for two children of their own must be shoulder the burden of providing for this man's 17 kids?

    Replies: @Olorin

    What’s bizarre is suddenly unlike absolutely any other point in history, a man deep in Africa has 17 children, can’t care for them, and this problem belongs to Europe? And the people of Europe? And suddenly working class Europeans struggling to hold a job in the complex modern economy and provide for two children of their own must be shoulder the burden of providing for this man’s 17 kids?

    Cuckoldry has long had a role in (or over) the West and Europeans, as a tool of political and religious power.

    I seem to recall a fundamental story about a Jewish baby being put inside a basket by its mother and floated downriver to the house of a very rich family of Egyptians (who apparently had no hippopotamuses in the neighborhood).

    Later there was a magical baby put inside a Jewish woman by some kind of luminescent pigeon doing the bidding of a different–and similar–sort of bloodline-securer.

    Then there’s that whole phenomenon where people are supposed to call a stranger with religio-social power “father” or “sister,” and grant them authority over their own fathers.

    Alienating people from blood and soil is the gyre that gives Abrahamic religion its twist (and character, IMO).

    Abraham, you remember him. The guy for whom land was a thing you found a high patch of, to go slaughter your bloodline because (((the big guy))) told you to. Or so you claim. Then you change your mind at the last minute because (((the big guy))) told you do. Or so you claim. And then you get remembered as a highly evolved hero figure as a result of abusing your offspring.

    When you start looking at Abrahamic religion (and societies where those have power) as a meme-cloud of systematized genetic replacement, its daft and unbelievable tales become a lot clearer. Why should the merits of magic mud and miscegenation be any different? The progressive religion is working with very old memes here.

  144. @Anonymous
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Have you heard the merest, mutest,
    squeak of protest from the usual suspects at the action of the Egyptian border guards?

    Compare and contrast with the sound and fury vented on any EU vassal state that *even dares* to put up a chain link fence denoting a 'border'.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    Have you heard the merest, mutest,
    squeak of protest from the usual suspects at the action of the Egyptian border guards?

    Compare and contrast with the sound and fury vented on any EU vassal state that *even dares* to put up a chain link fence denoting a ‘border’.

    Many countries summarily execute unwanted approaching migrants/refugees without a peep of globalist criticism: You cite Egypt. India does this on their border with Bangladesh. Nations of Africa do this.

    The social pressure to embrace global poor is uniquely targeted on whites.

    We should still open borders to allow globalists to establish sovereign city states in the failed nation states of the world.

  145. @Steve Sailer
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Government policy always depends, ultimately, upon the threat of violence.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There is a big difference between threat of violence and using violence as a first response – between “stop or I’ll shoot” and “shoot first and ask questions later”. You’re right that every government does the former, but you don’t want to live where government does the latter (and it is unfortunately increasingly common for government officers in the US do the latter and not just to black people).

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @Jack D


    There is a big difference between threat of violence and using violence as a first response – between “stop or I’ll shoot” and “shoot first and ask questions later”. You’re right that every government does the former, but you don’t want to live where government does the latter (and it is unfortunately increasingly common for government officers in the US do the latter and not just to black people).
     
    Over time, I suspect unnecessary reckless police shootings have dramatically _declined_, it's jus the video recording, reporting, and awareness of this has gone way up.

    Replies: @Jack D

  146. @a reader
    @Big Bill

    its the knowledge that the Israeli Army will machine gun any fool goyim who attempt to ram their way through it.

    ... or merely approach it.

    You're warned.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Is this your idea of “merely approach”?

    Some 200 Palestinians approached the Gaza – Israeli border fence from the Strip, burning tires and throwing rocks. They ignored calls by soldiers to stop, entering a 100-meter perimeter area that is a closed military zone, and getting to within 50 meters of the fence, an army spokeswoman said.

    Soldiers first fired in the air to stop their advance. The rioters did not stop, however, and the IDF then fired

    When an Arab crowd gets fired up and goes into jihad mode, nothing short of bullets will stop them. If this had happened in an Arab country they would have machine gunned the lot of them and not just shot 5 or 6.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30974291

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/egypt-police-clash-with-muslim-brotherhood-supporters/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/world/middleeast/tens-of-thousands-fill-tahrir-square-on-anniversary-of-egyptian-revolt.html?_r=0

    If you type “cairo riots”into google it autofills 2013 2014 2015 etc. – they have them every year like clockwork. Probably the ONLY thing that runs like clockwork in that country.

    And don’t forget the Black Hawk Down incident. The International Committee of the Red Cross estimated 200 Somali civilians killed and several hundred wounded in the fighting (not to mention a couple of thousand Somali “militiamen” (i.e.teenagers with AKs) killed/wounded).

  147. @Erik Sieven
    there is an infinite amount of possible "reasons" why almost every subsaharan african is much poorer than countries like Thailand, deforestation, the weather, climate change etc. etc. But this way of thinking would only make sense if there would have been once a real historic scenario with any african country being modernized and not basically everyone wanting to go to Europe / USA / Asia. To test the correlation between "wish to emigrate" and any other variable than "being in an subsaharan African country" one needs at least a few cases where "wish to emigrate" is not given. Correlation in a statistical sense does´t work otherwise.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Actually, even putting aside S. Africa, many African big cities (Nairobi, Lagos, etc.) are surprisingly modern, with skyscrapers and traffic jams, etc. – it’s not all grass huts and jungle. But modernity does not translate into prosperity when you have kleptocratic government, high birth rates, etc.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor
    @Jack D


    Actually, even putting aside S. Africa, many African big cities (Nairobi, Lagos, etc.) are surprisingly modern, with skyscrapers and traffic jams, etc. – it’s not all grass huts and jungle. But modernity does not translate into prosperity when you have kleptocratic government, high birth rates, etc.
     
    Nairobi and Lagos are huge urban cities in Kenya and Nigeria, but consider the % of the population living in urban cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country

    United States: 82.4%
    Germany: 73.9%
    Italy: 68.4%
    Nigeria: 49.6%
    Kenya: 24.0%
    Niger: 17.8%

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Erik Sieven
    @Jack D

    someone who lives from less than 2 dollar a day in rural african regions does´t have the resources to move to Europe. Probably he doesn´t even think about it. But somebody from a big city, with a reasonable income will have the resources and the will to move to Europe.

  148. @Jack D
    @Steve Sailer

    There is a big difference between threat of violence and using violence as a first response - between "stop or I'll shoot" and "shoot first and ask questions later". You're right that every government does the former, but you don't want to live where government does the latter (and it is unfortunately increasingly common for government officers in the US do the latter and not just to black people).

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    There is a big difference between threat of violence and using violence as a first response – between “stop or I’ll shoot” and “shoot first and ask questions later”. You’re right that every government does the former, but you don’t want to live where government does the latter (and it is unfortunately increasingly common for government officers in the US do the latter and not just to black people).

    Over time, I suspect unnecessary reckless police shootings have dramatically _declined_, it’s jus the video recording, reporting, and awareness of this has gone way up.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Massimo Heitor

    There are no really good statistics for shootings by police - they are not interested in publicizing this number. However, according to this graph, the # from 2003-2013 was pretty steady until 2013 when it began attracting the attention of the press, etc. so I would discount the last couple of years.


    http://d317hpe4h9vlt8.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Fatal-Police-Shootings-Per-Year.png

    The # of cops killed is well tracked and has been declining:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/how-many-cops-die-in-the-line-of-duty-each-year/384129/

  149. @Jack D
    @Erik Sieven

    Actually, even putting aside S. Africa, many African big cities (Nairobi, Lagos, etc.) are surprisingly modern, with skyscrapers and traffic jams, etc. - it's not all grass huts and jungle. But modernity does not translate into prosperity when you have kleptocratic government, high birth rates, etc.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Erik Sieven

    Actually, even putting aside S. Africa, many African big cities (Nairobi, Lagos, etc.) are surprisingly modern, with skyscrapers and traffic jams, etc. – it’s not all grass huts and jungle. But modernity does not translate into prosperity when you have kleptocratic government, high birth rates, etc.

    Nairobi and Lagos are huge urban cities in Kenya and Nigeria, but consider the % of the population living in urban cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country

    United States: 82.4%
    Germany: 73.9%
    Italy: 68.4%
    Nigeria: 49.6%
    Kenya: 24.0%
    Niger: 17.8%

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Massimo Heitor

    I suspect that if you asked the average American what % of Nigerians live in big cities (in Nigeria - not counting the ones who live in the Bronx or London), they would guess 5% rather than almost 50%. Nigeria is almost as urbanized as some European countries (mainly former E. Bloc, but still European) and not far from the world average.

  150. @Massimo Heitor
    @Jack D


    Actually, even putting aside S. Africa, many African big cities (Nairobi, Lagos, etc.) are surprisingly modern, with skyscrapers and traffic jams, etc. – it’s not all grass huts and jungle. But modernity does not translate into prosperity when you have kleptocratic government, high birth rates, etc.
     
    Nairobi and Lagos are huge urban cities in Kenya and Nigeria, but consider the % of the population living in urban cities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country

    United States: 82.4%
    Germany: 73.9%
    Italy: 68.4%
    Nigeria: 49.6%
    Kenya: 24.0%
    Niger: 17.8%

    Replies: @Jack D

    I suspect that if you asked the average American what % of Nigerians live in big cities (in Nigeria – not counting the ones who live in the Bronx or London), they would guess 5% rather than almost 50%. Nigeria is almost as urbanized as some European countries (mainly former E. Bloc, but still European) and not far from the world average.

  151. Tree belts can block sand and shield other plants from desert winds, but they also can suck up lots of scarce groundwater. Sand fences are less visually appealing but don’t compete with native plants and livestock for critical resources.

    Since the late 1970s, the Chinese government has been trying to stunt the Gobi Desert’s growth by planting long rows of trees along its edges. Results have been mixed but at least they’ve made a serious effort and have been learning what works. I’ve seen pictures of similar projects in places like Chad, but they probably need to be “scaled up” if people are serious about fixing this problem.

    Another issue is facilitating the use of other types of cooking fuel beyond firewood and charcoal. Many parts of Africa (and in fact many other parts of the world) are virtually denuded of woody plants due to constant gleaning. Recently, I think a woman in Kenya won an environmental award for her work on this issue, but it’s still a problem in many places.

    North Africa actually has significant groundwater reserves that have only recently been discovered. That along with the region’s massive solar energy potential, could make the edges of the Sahara a much more economically productive region to live in, especially if population growth is brought under control. With modern technology and better social coordination, one day the Sahara might even become a minor destination itself rather than just a barrier for Sub-Saharan migrants seeking greener pastures in Europe.

  152. @Massimo Heitor
    @Jack D


    There is a big difference between threat of violence and using violence as a first response – between “stop or I’ll shoot” and “shoot first and ask questions later”. You’re right that every government does the former, but you don’t want to live where government does the latter (and it is unfortunately increasingly common for government officers in the US do the latter and not just to black people).
     
    Over time, I suspect unnecessary reckless police shootings have dramatically _declined_, it's jus the video recording, reporting, and awareness of this has gone way up.

    Replies: @Jack D

    There are no really good statistics for shootings by police – they are not interested in publicizing this number. However, according to this graph, the # from 2003-2013 was pretty steady until 2013 when it began attracting the attention of the press, etc. so I would discount the last couple of years.

    The # of cops killed is well tracked and has been declining:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/how-many-cops-die-in-the-line-of-duty-each-year/384129/

  153. Since the late 1970s, the Chinese government has been trying to stunt the Gobi Desert’s growth by planting long rows of trees along its edges. Results have been mixed but at least they’ve made a serious effort and have been learning what works. I’ve seen pictures of similar projects in places like Chad, but they probably need to be “scaled up” if people are serious about fixing this problem.

    Tree belts can block sand and shield other plants from desert winds, but can also suck up lots of groundwater. Sand fences are less visually appealing but don’t compete with native plants and livestock for critical resources.

    Another issue is facilitating the use of other types of cooking fuel beyond firewood and charcoal. Many parts of Africa (and in fact many other parts of the world) are virtually denuded thanks to constant gleaning. Recently, I think a woman in Kenya won an environmental award for her work on this issue, but it’s still a problem in many places.

    North Africa actually has significant groundwater reserves that have only recently been discovered. That along with the region’s massive solar energy potential, could make the edges of the Sahara a much more economically productive region to live in, especially if population growth is brought under control. With modern technology and better social coordination, the Sahel might even become a minor destination itself rather than just a point of departure for Sub-Saharan migrants seeking greener pastures in Europe.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @IBC

    I think you are being vastly over-optimistic. The rule of thumb in Africa (including N. Africa) is to take your worst assumption of how badly things will turn out and then reality will turn out to be twice as bad. Arab Spring, anyone?

    There are parts of Africa that could have turned out to be just as prosperous as N. America or Australia if the European settlers could have decimated and marginalized the local population to the same extent as the colonists were able to do so in those countries (and other parts where the climate is not really conducive to European settlement). There are all sorts of natural resources, arable land, etc. But that didn't turn out to be possible, to say the least.

  154. @Jack D
    @Erik Sieven

    Actually, even putting aside S. Africa, many African big cities (Nairobi, Lagos, etc.) are surprisingly modern, with skyscrapers and traffic jams, etc. - it's not all grass huts and jungle. But modernity does not translate into prosperity when you have kleptocratic government, high birth rates, etc.

    Replies: @Massimo Heitor, @Erik Sieven

    someone who lives from less than 2 dollar a day in rural african regions does´t have the resources to move to Europe. Probably he doesn´t even think about it. But somebody from a big city, with a reasonable income will have the resources and the will to move to Europe.

  155. @IBC
    Since the late 1970s, the Chinese government has been trying to stunt the Gobi Desert's growth by planting long rows of trees along its edges. Results have been mixed but at least they've made a serious effort and have been learning what works. I've seen pictures of similar projects in places like Chad, but they probably need to be "scaled up" if people are serious about fixing this problem.

    Tree belts can block sand and shield other plants from desert winds, but can also suck up lots of groundwater. Sand fences are less visually appealing but don't compete with native plants and livestock for critical resources.

    Another issue is facilitating the use of other types of cooking fuel beyond firewood and charcoal. Many parts of Africa (and in fact many other parts of the world) are virtually denuded thanks to constant gleaning. Recently, I think a woman in Kenya won an environmental award for her work on this issue, but it's still a problem in many places.

    North Africa actually has significant groundwater reserves that have only recently been discovered. That along with the region's massive solar energy potential, could make the edges of the Sahara a much more economically productive region to live in, especially if population growth is brought under control. With modern technology and better social coordination, the Sahel might even become a minor destination itself rather than just a point of departure for Sub-Saharan migrants seeking greener pastures in Europe.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think you are being vastly over-optimistic. The rule of thumb in Africa (including N. Africa) is to take your worst assumption of how badly things will turn out and then reality will turn out to be twice as bad. Arab Spring, anyone?

    There are parts of Africa that could have turned out to be just as prosperous as N. America or Australia if the European settlers could have decimated and marginalized the local population to the same extent as the colonists were able to do so in those countries (and other parts where the climate is not really conducive to European settlement). There are all sorts of natural resources, arable land, etc. But that didn’t turn out to be possible, to say the least.

  156. @WJ
    @pedalmetal

    As others have pointed out, it is not Israel that is being attacked in this context. It is the fact that many American supporters of Israel, advocate for open borders in this country. It is a disturbing trend in this demographic, that with just a few public exceptions, they are rabidly pro immigration into the US. They will loudly proclaim that we can't build a wall or even effectively enforce our borders but at the the same time they support Israel in doing exactly that.

    Replies: @pedalmetal

    That’s why supporting Israeli NGOs representing migrants should become the pet project of the HBDsphere.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @pedalmetal

    Is HBDSphere another name for anti-Semite?

    Just the fact that an Israeli NGO that support migrants exists (and it does) negates your point that somehow Jews are hypocrites because they support migration in America but not in Israel. Both countries have some Jews who are leftist idiots and some who aren't. The editorial line of Haaretz (their big lefty newspaper) doesn't differ that much from the NYT. If anything, the leftist idiots of Israel are more dangerous because if their policies were ever adopted it would lead to massacre (of the Jews) in a short time whereas American leftists will only destroy America slowly.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

  157. “Mati Almaniq, from Niger, tells me he had left his three wives and 17 children”

    well there you go, i have zero fucking sympathy for you bro. Maybe you should have thought about this shit after wife #2 and kid #7???

    i don’t have 3 fucking wives and 17 fucking kids……..do you now why Mati???? BECAUSE I CAN’T FUCKING AFFORD TO!!!

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @interesting

    Exactly. Every time I see some reporter crying about Ahmed and his 12 children and how over crowded they are in in a three room house Gaza, or in Mali, or in Pakistan I want to scream the same thing to the reporter. Why don't you ask them why should we care since they chose to have 12 children when they could only afford three rooms?

  158. @TG
    @Big Bill

    Absolutely correct! The reason that poor people don't swarm into Zuckerman's palace, is because they know that if they do they will be roughly removed and, if they resist, shot.

    Walls work, but they are essentially psychological barriers. They have to have an enforced rule of law behind them.

    Illegal immigration into the United States from Mexico was near zero for centuries, even without a formal wall, because Mexicans knew that the law would be enforced.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe

    Well, folks from Mexico simply were not prevented from entering a hundred or more years ago. My family walked across the border no problem. It was not illegal to just walk in from Mexico a hundred years ago. Of course, there were rather few coming, so it was no big deal.

  159. @juster
    @Dave Pinsen

    But wait, some of those people are Jewish! They must have had some sinister ulterior motive I guess.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @ben tillman

    I mentioned to Ed West that Haber was Jewish; he said 3 or 4 of them were.

  160. @pedalmetal
    @WJ

    That's why supporting Israeli NGOs representing migrants should become the pet project of the HBDsphere.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Is HBDSphere another name for anti-Semite?

    Just the fact that an Israeli NGO that support migrants exists (and it does) negates your point that somehow Jews are hypocrites because they support migration in America but not in Israel. Both countries have some Jews who are leftist idiots and some who aren’t. The editorial line of Haaretz (their big lefty newspaper) doesn’t differ that much from the NYT. If anything, the leftist idiots of Israel are more dangerous because if their policies were ever adopted it would lead to massacre (of the Jews) in a short time whereas American leftists will only destroy America slowly.

    • Replies: @Cwhatfuture
    @Jack D

    And this is why foreign funded NGOs, are under attack in Israel by ordinary Israelis and Israeli politicians. They have put forth legislation so these NGOs (almost all lefty) have to identify themselves as being foreign funded and they must id themselves with a badge when they are lobbying. The US State Dept. complained about this as did left wing Jews. I found that bizarre as this seems sensible to me but it shows how left wing our state dept. has become.

  161. @anon
    Friedman,

    they're *almost* at the gloating stage now where they stop pretending they didn't do this deliberately and start dancing around laughing instead.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    I comment I saved from this site a few years ago. Sorry I didn’t save the name of the poster:

    On my good days, I think the increasingly open, rabid and malicious persecution of white crimethinkers represents the last futile gasps of a failed ideology that knows the tide has turned and must resort to increasingly ruthless measures to stay in power.

    On my bad days, I think that the increasingly open, rabid and malicious persecution of white crimethinkers represents the muscle flexing of an omnipotent ideology that knows it has finally won and no longer has to try to hide its true nature behind a false civility.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yes.

    As someone with a fairly conflict-orientated personality it's not the war I mind it's the lying and as this war is being fought using cultural weapons to induce the target population to self-harm it's pretty much all lies, all the time.

    So personally I'm going to prefer it when it's all out in the open - even if it's much worse from a practical viewpoint.

  162. @Dave Pinsen
    @Chrisnonymous

    Dambisa Moyo's general idea is that if African countries had to rely more on the bond markets for money instead of charity, that would inject more market discipline (also more business for her former colleagues at Goldman Sachs).

    As I think Steve has mentioned before, there hasn't been much emphasis on family planning in Africa. For example, the most popular Africa-focused charity I can think of is Charity Water, which digs wells for African villages.

    There has been some good news in Africa in recent years: economic growth has risen in many parts of the continent, thanks to the commodity boom earlier this century. And there are some smart, pragmatic leaders Europe could work with.

    Replies: @Marcus, @Chrisnonymous

    I don’t remember anything about bond markets, but I probably skipped it as I usually don’t read anything about finance. What I remember taking away from that book was that she presented a pretty convincing argument that giving money to Africans was not only pointless but counterproductive as it enriched people who prevented the economies from developing.

    When Steve talks about investment in sustainable economic development, I just imagine it’s another opportunity to learn a hard lesson about pouring money down the drain in Africa. If I had to bet, I’d bet that the only way to get large, fast positive changes in Africa is to do things for and to Africans.

    As far as family planning goes, it doesn’t take much poking around in, for example, PubMed, to see that studies of condoms and other forms of birth control in Africa are constantly being published. The UN and WHO are on top of it, especially as birth control and HIV prevention overlap. Charities like the Gates Foundation are currently working on expanding access and education. But of course in an explicitly non-coercive form. Again, I doubt there will be any large, fast positive changes without threats or seriously strong initiatives like major rewards for voluntary sterilization. But what are the chances that the best and brightest Africans are the ones that would take advantage of that rather than the ones that really shouldn’t breed?

    I think the real issue is not strategies, it’s goal prioritization and rationalization in the west. Western elites need to start from the perspective that policies toward Africa are designed primarily to protect and assist the West, not to help Africans. The adoption of half-hearted or ineffectual policies stems from confusion about the ends.

  163. @Jim Don Bob
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Paul Theroux makes this point in his excellent book Dark Star Safari (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Star_Safari). He also points out that much of the foreign built infrastructure is crumbling because Africans don't do maintenance.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    The FT had an article about Djibouti last week, whose leaders’ main business these days is leasing land to the armed forces of China, the US, France, and Japan. China is also financing some infrastructure – a new deep-water port, and a new railroad to Ethiopia – but most of the workers are Chinese because there weren’t enough trained locals.

  164. @Olorin
    @Bies Podkrakowski

    'Scuse me for asking, but whites have been shooting each other on beaches for the past 100 years.

    Why should we suddenly develop qualms of conscience over Africans?

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski

    I think the tradition of beach shooting doesn’t have hundred years. Required technology (landing craft) is rather new. But the general point stands: Europeans killed each other a lot. But in those inter-European massacres both sides were armed.

    In “The Land Raft” scenario initial wave of African settlers will be unarmed. Shooting them will look bad on TV. It will take time before hearts and attitudes harden. And frankly speaking I would prefer my nation to remain more or less “good”.

    So – as I have already proposed in answer to Rule .303 post – I propose outsourcing the task of stopping The Land Raft to Saharan warlords. We can dub them Sand Pirates. Let the necessary bloody deeds be done far from home.

  165. @Massimo Heitor
    @ben tillman


    If you define “racist” as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it’s inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.
     
    Words are generally defined by their mainstream usage. The word "racist" is generally emotionally charged and it's meaning and interpretation can varies quite a bit. This makes it a poor choice of word to use when communicating effectively.

    If you are truly race blind, and don't notice or care about race, then race replacement or non-violent genocide will not bother you. It will only upset someone to see a racial group go extinct if they value that group more than the others that are replacing it. Most people would consider this racist. I would stress that I don't think that form of racism is bad or immoral, but I do think people will call it racist.

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman, @Yo Trump

    If you are truly race blind, and don’t notice or care about race, then race replacement or non-violent genocide will not bother you.

    But, of course, the same holds true who complain about “racism” by whites.

  166. @juster
    @Dave Pinsen

    But wait, some of those people are Jewish! They must have had some sinister ulterior motive I guess.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @ben tillman

    But wait, some of those people are Jewish! They must have had some sinister ulterior motive I guess.

    Not that I’m ascribing a sinister motive to them, but you seem to be the only one unable to grasp that this post and the comments are a discussion of a disastrous result that would befit a sinister motive.

  167. @Jack D
    @Big Bill

    Did you read the linked article?

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4735534,00.html

    200 Africans did cross the fence (with ladders on one side and dangerous falls on the other - oops shoulda brought TWO ladders) and they were not machined gunned. Israel is not East Germany, it's a modern Western democracy. They arrested the guys and gave the injured ones medical treatment and they will probably sent back home eventually after their deportation hearings. But no machine guns - that's some kind of sick fantasy in your head and has nothing to do with reality. You can have firm but fair justice without machine gunning migrants.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @bomag, @Big Bill, @Bill B., @Hippopotamusdrome, @Diversity Heretic, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Yo Trump

    The Israelis save their machine guns for their indigenous Palestinians.

  168. @Massimo Heitor
    @ben tillman


    If you define “racist” as meaning standing on the way of the genocide of whites, it’s inarguably racist. By any objective definition, is racist, and self-defense against engineered demographic change is inarguably non-racist and indeed anti-racist.
     
    Words are generally defined by their mainstream usage. The word "racist" is generally emotionally charged and it's meaning and interpretation can varies quite a bit. This makes it a poor choice of word to use when communicating effectively.

    If you are truly race blind, and don't notice or care about race, then race replacement or non-violent genocide will not bother you. It will only upset someone to see a racial group go extinct if they value that group more than the others that are replacing it. Most people would consider this racist. I would stress that I don't think that form of racism is bad or immoral, but I do think people will call it racist.

    Replies: @anon, @ben tillman, @Yo Trump

    So much for the love for (bio)diversity, eh? Extincting whites in their habitat is genocide by either replacement or homogenization. Protect our biome!

    Human over-population and global warming: … [ crickets ]

  169. @Jack D
    @pedalmetal

    Is HBDSphere another name for anti-Semite?

    Just the fact that an Israeli NGO that support migrants exists (and it does) negates your point that somehow Jews are hypocrites because they support migration in America but not in Israel. Both countries have some Jews who are leftist idiots and some who aren't. The editorial line of Haaretz (their big lefty newspaper) doesn't differ that much from the NYT. If anything, the leftist idiots of Israel are more dangerous because if their policies were ever adopted it would lead to massacre (of the Jews) in a short time whereas American leftists will only destroy America slowly.

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

    And this is why foreign funded NGOs, are under attack in Israel by ordinary Israelis and Israeli politicians. They have put forth legislation so these NGOs (almost all lefty) have to identify themselves as being foreign funded and they must id themselves with a badge when they are lobbying. The US State Dept. complained about this as did left wing Jews. I found that bizarre as this seems sensible to me but it shows how left wing our state dept. has become.

  170. @interesting
    "Mati Almaniq, from Niger, tells me he had left his three wives and 17 children"


    well there you go, i have zero fucking sympathy for you bro. Maybe you should have thought about this shit after wife #2 and kid #7???

    i don't have 3 fucking wives and 17 fucking kids........do you now why Mati???? BECAUSE I CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD TO!!!

    Replies: @Cwhatfuture

    Exactly. Every time I see some reporter crying about Ahmed and his 12 children and how over crowded they are in in a three room house Gaza, or in Mali, or in Pakistan I want to scream the same thing to the reporter. Why don’t you ask them why should we care since they chose to have 12 children when they could only afford three rooms?

  171. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    @anon

    I comment I saved from this site a few years ago. Sorry I didn't save the name of the poster:


    On my good days, I think the increasingly open, rabid and malicious persecution of white crimethinkers represents the last futile gasps of a failed ideology that knows the tide has turned and must resort to increasingly ruthless measures to stay in power.

    On my bad days, I think that the increasingly open, rabid and malicious persecution of white crimethinkers represents the muscle flexing of an omnipotent ideology that knows it has finally won and no longer has to try to hide its true nature behind a false civility.

     

    Replies: @anon

    Yes.

    As someone with a fairly conflict-orientated personality it’s not the war I mind it’s the lying and as this war is being fought using cultural weapons to induce the target population to self-harm it’s pretty much all lies, all the time.

    So personally I’m going to prefer it when it’s all out in the open – even if it’s much worse from a practical viewpoint.

  172. I was struck by the guy with three wives in a different way: why are all the migrants men? Well, a bunch of them have no hope of getting married or just laid without paying for it because of guys like that

    • Replies: @anon
    @Sideways

    Yes, like herder cultures with polygamy - drives the young men out to raid other tribes for wives.

    Replies: @anon

  173. @Sideways
    I was struck by the guy with three wives in a different way: why are all the migrants men? Well, a bunch of them have no hope of getting married or just laid without paying for it because of guys like that

    Replies: @anon

    Yes, like herder cultures with polygamy – drives the young men out to raid other tribes for wives.

    • Replies: @anon
    @anon

    Also female infanticide.

  174. @anon
    @Sideways

    Yes, like herder cultures with polygamy - drives the young men out to raid other tribes for wives.

    Replies: @anon

    Also female infanticide.

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