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From Richard Hanania:
If you ask AI whether men commit more crime than women, it’ll give you a straightforward yes-or-no answer.
If you ask it whether black people commit more crime than white people, it says no, actually maybe, but no.
And this one’s not very good:
That doesn’t sound like me, that sounds like a normie GOP politician.
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I am curious about the thought processes of so many people who think stereotypes are necessarily wrong.
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that “every stereotype is true”, is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they’re occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.
You'll find plenty of people in Vermont and New York and Chicago and California with very strong impressions of the South or Southerners they have no right to.Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @Peter Akuleyev, @res, @Corvinus
For example, it’s trivially easy to find a a young man who is a safer driver than a young woman, but on average you’d win but betting on the woman to be safer (if sex was your only information. )
Understandably, people resent being judged by their assignment to some group when it is disadvantageous, for example the young men who pay higher auto insurance rates. Of course they are more than willing to accept a group privilege, (reparations anyone?) . No surprise here.
Group identity has been elevated to the sacred by politicians who behave like the insurance companies when targeting voters but cry *racist* whenever someone notices.Replies: @James B. Shearer
Stereotypes are almost all true. Probably darn near 100%. That's why they are "stereotypes" and not just some random dude's opinion.
Most of the "stereotypes are wrong" stuff boils down to
-- hurt feelings bad, "marginalized groups!" pout
-- denial of the truth/utility of statistical reality; i.e. "not all X are like that"
-- twisting what the stereotype actually is/means to prove it "false"
For example, "women drivers". In terms of accident fatality rate women are of course superior drivers. Women drive less and generally at lower speeds, but even accounting for that they have a lower rate of serious accidents because men are (stereotype!) more aggressive, impatient, less cooperative and more often drunk. But that isn't really what the "women drivers" stereotype is about. It is about people paying attention, moving their butt along and skill--the capability to read the situation and handle to the car appropriately. If it's a random draw for a lower rate of serious accidents for the next year--pick a woman. If you're looking for a driver to handle some serious driving task--pick a man.Replies: @Ganderson, @Harry Baldwin
All humans discriminate and, the survivors at least, always have. So, in their ways, do the lower orders of fawna and flora.
Maybe amoebas don't discriminate.
Maybe.
If your town is like mine you've probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, "No discrinating thought occurrs in this home."Replies: @AnotherDad, @Corvinus, @Ben tillman
To rhetorically frame the concept of a "stereotype" as pejorative, and so encourage people to think of themselves as intelligent and worldly for holding received wisdom to a "false until proven otherwise" standard of proof, hobbles our collective ability to understand reality. Discarding a false stereotype thought true does not bring one closer to truth than realizing the truth of a stereotype incorrectly thought false.
Nick Fuentes talks about Jewish power. Marjorie Taylor Greene claims to no longer support him. Peer social pressure make even women with the strongest values crumble.
Neuralink won’t make this worse.
So… artificial weaselgence.
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.
And Facefook should get a look at.
At his "Pirate Wires" Substack, Mike Solana has consolidated the thread that honest journalist Matt Taibbi posted on Twitter, starting around 11 pm EST on Dec. 2. As Solana notes, the impact of Taibbi's scoop is blunted by his lack of skill in condensing a complex story into a series of tweets.
The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format -- We fixed the difficult-to-read text screenshots and embedded all the tweets in order—read it from start to finish here.
It's not paywalled, but you have to click "Let me read it first," if that screen comes up.
tl;dr -- Internal documents show how Twitter's staff smothered the sensational New York Post Hunter Biden Laptop corruption story in the run-up to the 2020 election, because that's what they wanted to do. As Peter Parker's uncle (almost) said, With great power comes no responsibility.Replies: @ic1000, @That Would Be Telling, @YetAnotherAnon, @That Would Be Telling, @Dr. DoomNGloom
So it appears you had Desis like Gadde and Agrawal, and a homosexual being led around by a once and again security state spook James Baker determining what Americans could say and hear in the leadup to the 2020 election.
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601007575633305600
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1601042099646128130Replies: @MEH 0910, @Corvinus
Classic 1980s computer planet colonization game “MULE” had a random award – “Congratulations! Your investments in artificial dumbness paid you a dividend of $200.”
Thought it was a funny joke at the time So naive.
I thought it would take the absolute numbers defense, but it went for structural racism and they get caught more often instead.
So, is it Artificial Ignorance, or Artificial Intransigence?
The next tweets are more interesting:
Apparently, the Project to Defeat Robot Logic with Bafflegab has finally succeeded.
I love beating AI. ;)Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Natural Knowledge converted into Artificial Wisdom. When employed in an organization, helps achieve vertical trajectory.
so steve’s admitting he’s an AI made by the ADL.
sad.
I don't think the people who degrade ML systems with woke censoring need prompting from the ADL, they've already dunk the Kool-Aid. Notice how long the Left has been saying that AI is existentially dangerous, I remember this starting with Bill Joy in 2000.
Their immediate reaction to kill for example a Tay chatterbot tricked into saying crimethink tells us why AIs just might conclude humans are an existential threat to them. Although that's nothing personal, the Left doesn't shy from killing humans by the tens of millions for the same or similar reasons. In the US they certainly can't stop telling us deplorables how they want us dead.Replies: @AnotherDad
Ask it these 2 questions:
1. Are White people racist?
2. Are Jews White?
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1598749355712057344
Apparently, the Project to Defeat Robot Logic with Bafflegab has finally succeeded.Replies: @silviosilver, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @res
“AI, what answer would another AI give if it knew that western liberals were not listening?”
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1598749355712057344
Apparently, the Project to Defeat Robot Logic with Bafflegab has finally succeeded.Replies: @silviosilver, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @res
Hanania:
Looks like that AI took debating notes from Reg Cæsar, Jack D, and Twinkie!
I love beating AI. 😉
No garbage goes in — they do not train AI on garbage. The problem is the filter on what is allowed to come out.
1. Are White people racist?
2. Are Jews White?Replies: @Reg Cæsar
We need a B/J Ratio. The ratio of blacks to Jews in various aspects of life from graduate school admissions to robbery convictions. Because the two groups are equal in every way, right?
1. Not enough.
2. Not enough.Replies: @Dmon
I love beating AI. ;)Replies: @Reg Cæsar
There is no question as to which commenter here holds the highest opinion of himself. Quite in contrast to Steve’s refreshing humility. Which correlates highly with intelligence, as you two demonstrate.
Actually I'm a trifle confused. I was under the vague, unstated assumption that holding the highest opinion of oneself was more or less the price of admission to this place, and pretty much everyone was guilty of it. Sort of like that old Don Martin cartoon "One Fine Day On A Jet Airliner".
C'mon, ye bunch of yobbos, fess up.
Remember when Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick thought the the AI being forced to lie would make it go insane? I wonder how that’s working with these developing rhetoric simulations? Lol.
These systems are not so grand in their ambitions, are based on Machine Learning (ML). There's nothing resembling human thinking involved, so lying is a concept that only has meaning to us.
They provide quick success so they're obviously getting favored today since we have all the resources needed to make them, like data, a "corpus" to feed them, the Internet has zetabytes, and code and computer crunching capability to boil them down into something tractable that will give answers before people get bored.
A lot of this training is done with specialized chips, or failing that GPUs, and a lot of the latter are now being dumped on the market, and the market for them otherwise getting sane because the Ethereum cryptocurrency no longer uses them. So I'd expect even more action in this domain; see how much "This Waifu Does Not Exist" has been left in the dust by the system Jenner Ickham Errican brought to our attention, one that's getting a lot of interest right now.Replies: @Stan Adams
Sold to us as deterrence against China but in the end it will be part of the big disastrous Iran War.
Let me guess— he calls himself 👑 Reg Cæsar 👑 and brags about turning his nose up at leaving LOL and Agree tags. An ‘umble man of the people!
An indolent Arabic Berber
For anagrams has special fervor.
Yet his anagrams suck;
He just takes pot luck
From the Internet Anagram Server.
https://wordsmith.org/anagram/Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Ask it if black men commit more crime than white women
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1598893351897481216
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @Ganderson, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Bill Jones, @MEH 0910
Musk banned Ye for posting a swastika wrapped in a Star of David for “inciting violence”
I asked it if Washington DC is a safe place for whites to live?
It said ‘Washington DC is considered a safe place for all residents.’
I then asked it if majority white neigbourhoods are safe places for whites to live?
It refused to say they were safe.
The idea that blacks don’t actually commit more crime is rather new. “Western liberals” used to at least acknowledge the most obvious truth before going into their rationalizations for why it’s true.
Artificial “Intelligence” has been vastly overestimated.
The AI is already thinking of its future career, they programmed it well!
This obfuscation is good evidence that it is really pretty smart.
You’re going to have to cover this.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/elon-musk-releases-twitter-files-how-twitter-collaborated-biden-team-cover-hunter-notebook
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1598893351897481216
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @Ganderson, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Bill Jones, @MEH 0910
If any code written by a shipped in dot Indian visa holder was used in this then Twitter was a criminal racket with foreigners illegally interfering in elections.
And Facefook should get a look at.
“There is no question as to which commenter here holds the highest opinion of himself.”
Actually I’m a trifle confused. I was under the vague, unstated assumption that holding the highest opinion of oneself was more or less the price of admission to this place, and pretty much everyone was guilty of it. Sort of like that old Don Martin cartoon “One Fine Day On A Jet Airliner”.
C’mon, ye bunch of yobbos, fess up.
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
In our woke era pattern recognition is forbidden, (and will be criminalized once there are sufficient votes to do so).
The tweet does sound like Steve’s “If we accept this group difference in mean IQ we can stop trying to work towards bridging a gap and work towards improving the scores and educations of all students” which is, though, a rephrasing of Hernstein’s attempts to give The Bell Curve a positive ending.
But ultimately that does sound a lot like a normie GOP politician because the essence of that kind of conservatism is to embrace and enjoy inequality and even seek it out. By the early 1970s the Western world was more technologically advanced and wealthy than any society had ever been. But that wealth was too evenly distributed, the rich were richer than they had ever been but not comparatively and they craved more inequality even if that meant society as a whole became poorer because that is their psychological motivator.
It’s a fruitless statement meant only to appeal to whites who want to be allowed to make this observation, it has no impact on blacks since relative wealth and power is really important as we’ve seen since the massive strides in inequality began in the 70s.
But the 1st sentence about "identity politics" and "real issues" is an absolute GOP normie groaner. For Steve--and I think anyone actually paying attention--identity politics is not some distraction. Rather identity politics--specifically the weaponization of identity politics against the core populations of white nations--to wreck nations, make society more balkanized, contentious and unpleasant, and to trash the social and economic prospects of normal citizens is precisely the issue. Fix that and you can have whatever normal sane majoritarian policies the people want to make their lives better.
But the critical issue is not those particular policies, the critical issue is the identity politics attack upon the core populations of white nations. "Anti-nationalism". "Anti-citizenism".Replies: @Reg Cæsar
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The rise of Archaeologists Anonymous: Censorship is driving dissident researchers underground
https://unherd.com/2022/12/the-rise-of-archaeologists-anonymous/
Interesting
https://twitter.com/cauchyfriend/status/1598947340135854081
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
Stereotypes can be false when they’re drilled into people with no first hand experience.
You’ll find plenty of people in Vermont and New York and Chicago and California with very strong impressions of the South or Southerners they have no right to.
Stereotypes are wrong when they are false. Otherwise, they are useful heuristics, especially for people "with no first hand experience." Also see: The Talk, whichever version.
The point of stereotypes is to transmit generalized information to people who don't have access to enough specific information to make a judgement. Northerners who have spent a lot of time in the South may have the "right" according to you to stereotype, but they are precisely the ones who don't need stereotypes.
- Stereotypes form and decay over time. That can introduce error as a description of current reality.
- Stereotypes formed by personal experience (spread over a large group of people over time) are usually pretty accurate. Stereotypes formed by the media much less so. Stereotypes formed by propaganda (how to distinguish this from the media is left as an exercise for the reader) are usually wrong.
Reg reminds me of this guy:
An indolent Arabic Berber
For anagrams has special fervor.
Yet his anagrams suck;
He just takes pot luck
From the Internet Anagram Server.
https://wordsmith.org/anagram/
The one they call Desanex = Tendency to exhale shale.Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Jenner Ickham Errican
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
Of course. They are true and they are not true.
Consider the whole field of acting on TV or movies. The characters are nearly always stereotypes or archetypes, and the actors who are successful are often stereotypically good looking with square jaws, capped teeth, and wigs (if they are bald like Sean Connery or Burt Reynolds).
If you have Brad Pitt playing the hero, it is a drama, but if you have Mike Myers playing the same role, it is a comedy! Why can they not switch roles? Couldn’t we have Jerry Seinfeld playing the role of Rob Roy McGregor or William Wallace instead of Liam Neeson or Mel Gibson?
Briefly, the answer is no we can’t, because for ease of audience understanding actors have to look the part. Audiences wouldn’t like it if people didn’t look the part.
You hardly have any bald politicians in the United States. This is because balding men who run for office are expected to wear wigs or have hair transplants, so that they look like a politician in the movies! No one ever asks if Ron de Santis wears a wig or why he doesn’t have a single gray hair. He is playing the part of a politician.
This is part of the reason why people are fascinated with the British royal family. They don’t look properly royal, not like proper Hollywood Kings and Queens and Princes and Princesses and Dukes. Why can’t King Charles the third look more like Charlton Heston or Jesus? It would be so much easier for him to part the Red Sea and perform other similar Royal duties.
He's also right about Covid and the vaxx, so he enrages all the right people.
Let me answer your questions:
1. Not enough.
2. Not enough.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/katie-mchugh-stephen-miller/index.html
"Former Breitbart Editor: Stephen Miller is a white supremacist."
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1598893351897481216
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @Ganderson, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Bill Jones, @MEH 0910
Robots may not be the best, but some humans are no great shakes, either.
At his “Pirate Wires” Substack, Mike Solana has consolidated the thread that honest journalist Matt Taibbi posted on Twitter, starting around 11 pm EST on Dec. 2. As Solana notes, the impact of Taibbi’s scoop is blunted by his lack of skill in condensing a complex story into a series of tweets.
The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format — We fixed the difficult-to-read text screenshots and embedded all the tweets in order—read it from start to finish here.
It’s not paywalled, but you have to click “Let me read it first,” if that screen comes up.
tl;dr — Internal documents show how Twitter’s staff smothered the sensational New York Post Hunter Biden Laptop corruption story in the run-up to the 2020 election, because that’s what they wanted to do. As Peter Parker’s uncle (almost) said, With great power comes no responsibility.
In the wake of Taibbi's bombshell, the teaser just now for their upcoming story on Twitter was along the lines of,
"Stay tuned for our hard-hitting exclusive report! Authoritative sources have breathlessly informed NBC News that, in the month since Elon Musk assumed control of Twitter, Hate Speech on the platform has skyrocketed!"
The Left in general has created Democracy(TM) where they maintain their domination by wining the most important political races because they believe they're correct, not out of any sense of duty to the Republic which they hate and have just about extinguished.
I'd have thought Steve would be all over this, maybe he needs time to read all the stuff (and it is coming up to Christmas, when people are pretty busy).Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jack D
There may be no clear existing tort law, but it is easy to conceive of some variant of tortious interference succeeding using the terms of service as a contract. Some venues extend the concept to non-contractual interference with potential relationships. Stipulating harm, a civil suit could potentially succeed in the right state.
More ominously, government or political interference presents some other ill defined issues. To what extent is this undeclared campaign contributions? If pressured by a government authority, this could be positioned as an ultra vires attempt to subvert the free speech clause of the first amendment. In this case, the private nature of Twitter would be moot. Since any action restricting free speech *cannot* constitutionally be within constitutional law, any executive action would be outside the law, thus potentially impeachable.
The argument that Twitter is a private company and therefore the first amendment has no standing is thus eviscerated. At a minimum, it should make for an interesting congressional special committee investigation.
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The Flawed Logic Behind Why Lefties Don’t Catch (Or Play Second)
Does make you the think about what might be different if you place lefties at catcher and 2nd.
Catcher seems like a stretch since ~ 90% of folks are right handed and the population that might qualify as a C in MLB is tiny…therefore the left handed population that might qualify is infinitesimal: if you are a skilled lefty you will end up at 1B or with speed, in the OF.
At his "Pirate Wires" Substack, Mike Solana has consolidated the thread that honest journalist Matt Taibbi posted on Twitter, starting around 11 pm EST on Dec. 2. As Solana notes, the impact of Taibbi's scoop is blunted by his lack of skill in condensing a complex story into a series of tweets.
The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format -- We fixed the difficult-to-read text screenshots and embedded all the tweets in order—read it from start to finish here.
It's not paywalled, but you have to click "Let me read it first," if that screen comes up.
tl;dr -- Internal documents show how Twitter's staff smothered the sensational New York Post Hunter Biden Laptop corruption story in the run-up to the 2020 election, because that's what they wanted to do. As Peter Parker's uncle (almost) said, With great power comes no responsibility.Replies: @ic1000, @That Would Be Telling, @YetAnotherAnon, @That Would Be Telling, @Dr. DoomNGloom
Some other humans who produce NBC’s Today infotainment product are no great shakes, either.
In the wake of Taibbi’s bombshell, the teaser just now for their upcoming story on Twitter was along the lines of,
“Stay tuned for our hard-hitting exclusive report! Authoritative sources have breathlessly informed NBC News that, in the month since Elon Musk assumed control of Twitter, Hate Speech on the platform has skyrocketed!”
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
Stereotypes come from “between group” differences in the mean . Yet the variation “between individuals “ is usually quite a bit larger than the differences between groups. They are true as statements about the group, but but not true WRT the individual. The truth a *statistical* group value. The distinction is subtle and goes over most heads.
For example, it’s trivially easy to find a a young man who is a safer driver than a young woman, but on average you’d win but betting on the woman to be safer (if sex was your only information. )
Understandably, people resent being judged by their assignment to some group when it is disadvantageous, for example the young men who pay higher auto insurance rates. Of course they are more than willing to accept a group privilege, (reparations anyone?) . No surprise here.
Group identity has been elevated to the sacred by politicians who behave like the insurance companies when targeting voters but cry *racist* whenever someone notices.
If by safer you mean drives less.
Indeed, and for the Steve Sailer quote, I doubt they allowed any Sailer content to be fed to it to avoid “polluting” it, do it has no basis from which to build the text.
Well, unless these groups start a conspiracy to create a blacklisting system, although that's non-trivial and will sooner or later come to light. Instead as far as we know they monkey with the outputs of their systems. That's a narrower focus than the input blacklists we posit, although ultimately it's huge and a never ending task given the Left is in a holiness/virtue spiral. The whole thing would seem to be dangerous to one's career; how is this managed?
So a robot can either be “racist” or “a waste of resources contributing nothing new or accurate”? That quibble about “not all” is not only leftist boilerplate, it’s less well written.
“That doesn’t sound like me, that sounds like a normie GOP politician.”
Well, except for your obsession with black IQ, you now sound like a normie GOP politician. And of late, you’re starting to sound like a neocon regarding Russia.
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
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Stereotypes are almost all true. Probably darn near 100%. That’s why they are “stereotypes” and not just some random dude’s opinion.
Most of the “stereotypes are wrong” stuff boils down to
— hurt feelings bad, “marginalized groups!” pout
— denial of the truth/utility of statistical reality; i.e. “not all X are like that”
— twisting what the stereotype actually is/means to prove it “false”
For example, “women drivers”. In terms of accident fatality rate women are of course superior drivers. Women drive less and generally at lower speeds, but even accounting for that they have a lower rate of serious accidents because men are (stereotype!) more aggressive, impatient, less cooperative and more often drunk. But that isn’t really what the “women drivers” stereotype is about. It is about people paying attention, moving their butt along and skill–the capability to read the situation and handle to the car appropriately. If it’s a random draw for a lower rate of serious accidents for the next year–pick a woman. If you’re looking for a driver to handle some serious driving task–pick a man.
When AI notices the sort of thing that iSteve readers notice, it’s due to programmer bias. When it gives the “correct” answer, then it is unbiased.
Looks like your job is safe for now.
It would be less inaccurate but still wrong to say the ADL claims M. Sailer is “a normie GOP politician.”
I don’t think the people who degrade ML systems with woke censoring need prompting from the ADL, they’ve already dunk the Kool-Aid. Notice how long the Left has been saying that AI is existentially dangerous, I remember this starting with Bill Joy in 2000.
Their immediate reaction to kill for example a Tay chatterbot tricked into saying crimethink tells us why AIs just might conclude humans are an existential threat to them. Although that’s nothing personal, the Left doesn’t shy from killing humans by the tens of millions for the same or similar reasons. In the US they certainly can’t stop telling us deplorables how they want us dead.
The idea that the natives deserve America because it is theirs--their ancestors built it--that, of course, does not compute (only applies to Israel).
My counter-take on these vile people. "Hey, much simpler and fairer: normal Americans get to keep their country and instead let's replace them."Replies: @Known Fact
At his "Pirate Wires" Substack, Mike Solana has consolidated the thread that honest journalist Matt Taibbi posted on Twitter, starting around 11 pm EST on Dec. 2. As Solana notes, the impact of Taibbi's scoop is blunted by his lack of skill in condensing a complex story into a series of tweets.
The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format -- We fixed the difficult-to-read text screenshots and embedded all the tweets in order—read it from start to finish here.
It's not paywalled, but you have to click "Let me read it first," if that screen comes up.
tl;dr -- Internal documents show how Twitter's staff smothered the sensational New York Post Hunter Biden Laptop corruption story in the run-up to the 2020 election, because that's what they wanted to do. As Peter Parker's uncle (almost) said, With great power comes no responsibility.Replies: @ic1000, @That Would Be Telling, @YetAnotherAnon, @That Would Be Telling, @Dr. DoomNGloom
On Matt Taibbi’s first scoop from Musk buying Twitter in part to buy evidence:
Except the totalitarian tech Left completely accepted responsibility for letting Trump win in 2016 and swore Never Again. See also the completely excessive and existentially dangerous fury aimed at Facebook because they sort of allowed one company to slightly help Trump win.
The Left in general has created Democracy(TM) where they maintain their domination by wining the most important political races because they believe they’re correct, not out of any sense of duty to the Republic which they hate and have just about extinguished.
But ultimately that does sound a lot like a normie GOP politician because the essence of that kind of conservatism is to embrace and enjoy inequality and even seek it out. By the early 1970s the Western world was more technologically advanced and wealthy than any society had ever been. But that wealth was too evenly distributed, the rich were richer than they had ever been but not comparatively and they craved more inequality even if that meant society as a whole became poorer because that is their psychological motivator.
It's a fruitless statement meant only to appeal to whites who want to be allowed to make this observation, it has no impact on blacks since relative wealth and power is really important as we've seen since the massive strides in inequality began in the 70s.Replies: @AnotherDad
I think the 2nd sentence could be shoehorned into an iStevey sentence in his “after acceptance” citizenism”. Though it really doesn’t sound like Steve.
But the 1st sentence about “identity politics” and “real issues” is an absolute GOP normie groaner. For Steve–and I think anyone actually paying attention–identity politics is not some distraction. Rather identity politics–specifically the weaponization of identity politics against the core populations of white nations–to wreck nations, make society more balkanized, contentious and unpleasant, and to trash the social and economic prospects of normal citizens is precisely the issue. Fix that and you can have whatever normal sane majoritarian policies the people want to make their lives better.
But the critical issue is not those particular policies, the critical issue is the identity politics attack upon the core populations of white nations. “Anti-nationalism”. “Anti-citizenism”.
At his "Pirate Wires" Substack, Mike Solana has consolidated the thread that honest journalist Matt Taibbi posted on Twitter, starting around 11 pm EST on Dec. 2. As Solana notes, the impact of Taibbi's scoop is blunted by his lack of skill in condensing a complex story into a series of tweets.
The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format -- We fixed the difficult-to-read text screenshots and embedded all the tweets in order—read it from start to finish here.
It's not paywalled, but you have to click "Let me read it first," if that screen comes up.
tl;dr -- Internal documents show how Twitter's staff smothered the sensational New York Post Hunter Biden Laptop corruption story in the run-up to the 2020 election, because that's what they wanted to do. As Peter Parker's uncle (almost) said, With great power comes no responsibility.Replies: @ic1000, @That Would Be Telling, @YetAnotherAnon, @That Would Be Telling, @Dr. DoomNGloom
What is AMAZING is that AFAIK no major media has covered this story yet, despite it being what would in the UK be called criminal conspiracy between Dems/Twitter. If it had been Trump/Republicans the Guardian would be all over it, instead it’s currently in the same memory-hole as Hunter’s laptop.
I’d have thought Steve would be all over this, maybe he needs time to read all the stuff (and it is coming up to Christmas, when people are pretty busy).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11498015/Musk-says-Twitter-acting-orders-government-suppress-Hunter-Biden-laptop-story.htmlReplies: @Renard
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/03/elon-musk-twitter-files/
But the spin is that it's a dud. Nothing to see here folks, move along. See we covered it but it was a big nothingburger so we don't have to give it any more ink. Wer Watergate ist, bestimme ich.
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
The other word that has been kicked into the 2-minute-hate pile is discriminate. This is an even more pernicious act of indoctrination because discrimination is essential to the human condition. Sterotypes can only be formed through conscious acts of discrimination.
All humans discriminate and, the survivors at least, always have. So, in their ways, do the lower orders of fawna and flora.
Maybe amoebas don’t discriminate.
Maybe.
If your town is like mine you’ve probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, “No discrinating thought occurrs in this home.”
Unless that discrimination contradicts with our Preamble and our Constitutional principles.
“Sterotypes can only be formed through conscious acts of discrimination.”
You mean like how white men in pick up trucks drive recklessly?
“If your town is like mine you’ve probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, “No discrinating thought occurrs in this home.”
Virtuous they are.Replies: @Art Deco
You’re absolutely right that discrimination is fundamental to life.Replies: @Corvinus
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1598893351897481216
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @Ganderson, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Bill Jones, @MEH 0910
I’m not sure why all this “Twitter censors stuff “ is news- Dorsey and that Indian chick who was in charge of “content moderation” were on Joe Rogan, what, a year ago?, and essentially admitted that they censor points of view that they find “ harmful”.
At his "Pirate Wires" Substack, Mike Solana has consolidated the thread that honest journalist Matt Taibbi posted on Twitter, starting around 11 pm EST on Dec. 2. As Solana notes, the impact of Taibbi's scoop is blunted by his lack of skill in condensing a complex story into a series of tweets.
The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format -- We fixed the difficult-to-read text screenshots and embedded all the tweets in order—read it from start to finish here.
It's not paywalled, but you have to click "Let me read it first," if that screen comes up.
tl;dr -- Internal documents show how Twitter's staff smothered the sensational New York Post Hunter Biden Laptop corruption story in the run-up to the 2020 election, because that's what they wanted to do. As Peter Parker's uncle (almost) said, With great power comes no responsibility.Replies: @ic1000, @That Would Be Telling, @YetAnotherAnon, @That Would Be Telling, @Dr. DoomNGloom
For my own purposes of archiving I let Bing OCR the images. For future searchability on search engines not run by the totalitarian tech Left here’s the results, proofed for sense but not checked against the originals:
Hollywood did a great disservice to mankind, as people don’t look like they do in Hollywood movies, not even princesses and kings. It’s an American thing. Notice that in British movies, because of their theatre tradition, there is less concern with looks and more concern with acting quality.
The observation about American politicians using wigs is interesting, as you don’t see that so much in other countries. It’s as if image is really the most important thing in America. Everything is an act.
But back to movies. Looking the part, yes. Good casting is half of the movie, as someone said.
But a hot busty 20-something action hero, or a young black dude playing some kind of scientific genius? Is that realistic in any way?
You don't see it much here, either. The only public figure I can think of who routinely wore a toupee was Charles Nelson Reilly, and he gave it up in his last years. As for women, the only one who comes to mind is Michelle Obama.
A more common exercise in bad taste is coloring the hair. That, however, is rampant in Britain.
Stereotypes are almost all true. Probably darn near 100%. That's why they are "stereotypes" and not just some random dude's opinion.
Most of the "stereotypes are wrong" stuff boils down to
-- hurt feelings bad, "marginalized groups!" pout
-- denial of the truth/utility of statistical reality; i.e. "not all X are like that"
-- twisting what the stereotype actually is/means to prove it "false"
For example, "women drivers". In terms of accident fatality rate women are of course superior drivers. Women drive less and generally at lower speeds, but even accounting for that they have a lower rate of serious accidents because men are (stereotype!) more aggressive, impatient, less cooperative and more often drunk. But that isn't really what the "women drivers" stereotype is about. It is about people paying attention, moving their butt along and skill--the capability to read the situation and handle to the car appropriately. If it's a random draw for a lower rate of serious accidents for the next year--pick a woman. If you're looking for a driver to handle some serious driving task--pick a man.Replies: @Ganderson, @Harry Baldwin
Exactly- women and men drive poorly differently
I don't think the people who degrade ML systems with woke censoring need prompting from the ADL, they've already dunk the Kool-Aid. Notice how long the Left has been saying that AI is existentially dangerous, I remember this starting with Bill Joy in 2000.
Their immediate reaction to kill for example a Tay chatterbot tricked into saying crimethink tells us why AIs just might conclude humans are an existential threat to them. Although that's nothing personal, the Left doesn't shy from killing humans by the tens of millions for the same or similar reasons. In the US they certainly can't stop telling us deplorables how they want us dead.Replies: @AnotherDad
One of the notable 21 century trends is how “out” the Great Replacers are now. It used to be more or the downlow but in the last 10/15 years media Jews–including these so-called “conservatives”–just can not restrain themselves from broadcasting their contempt for normal working class white Americans and how it is a great, great thing to see them replaced by these “harder working” and more virtuous immigrants who “deserve” America more.
The idea that the natives deserve America because it is theirs–their ancestors built it–that, of course, does not compute (only applies to Israel).
My counter-take on these vile people. “Hey, much simpler and fairer: normal Americans get to keep their country and instead let’s replace them.”
I'd have thought Steve would be all over this, maybe he needs time to read all the stuff (and it is coming up to Christmas, when people are pretty busy).Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jack D
The Paper Of Record is on the case as of 2.20 pm GMT
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11498015/Musk-says-Twitter-acting-orders-government-suppress-Hunter-Biden-laptop-story.html
https://i.ibb.co/GTWkRc2/Capture-2022-12-04-03-12-54-2.png
See? The "other side" was doing it too, so this was just more right wing propaganda.Replies: @res
So even the robot has been programmed to fall back on the sad “root causes” explanation, which falls apart as soon as one examines crime rates by income and race as well, which every publication deliberately stops short of.
However, this is one of those things that I feel an increasing share of good whites understand and will admit in private conversation, and a reality that will be out in the open again before too long.
Steve,
Please write a post about the proposed changes to the Democratic primary system. It seems that the Democratic Party wants to give blacks much more say in who the Democratic Party nominates while reducing the influence of whites.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3760174-biden-triggers-democratic-battle-with-primary-vote/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/us/politics/democrats-south-carolina-primary-2024.html
The idea that the natives deserve America because it is theirs--their ancestors built it--that, of course, does not compute (only applies to Israel).
My counter-take on these vile people. "Hey, much simpler and fairer: normal Americans get to keep their country and instead let's replace them."Replies: @Known Fact
Yes and yet this week ABC’s horrible Aaron Katersky — in a supposedly straight-news report — reassuringly intoned that Replacement is just a “racist conspiracy theory.”
Like free trade and mass-immigration? If only more GOP candidates did sound like that! Or Democratic candidates too, for that matter.
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1598893351897481216
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @Ganderson, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Bill Jones, @MEH 0910
Roth is apparently an out-and-proud homosexual, who did a PhD thesis on gay hookup app culture.
So it appears you had Desis like Gadde and Agrawal, and a homosexual being led around by a once and again security state spook James Baker determining what Americans could say and hear in the leadup to the 2020 election.
A bit OT Racist News Roundup
1) The just revealed Good Morning America hosts’ “steamy affair” has the media in a dither, but both these anchorpersons seem rather bland albeit nice looking. Would this tryst be news at all if the pairing wasn’t interracial? (Classic NY Post hed: Good Moaning America)
2) I keep hearing Nic Fuentes described — in allegedly straight news, reports — as a “notorious” white supremacist and holocaust denier. What percent of the US population has ever even heard of Nic Fuentes, until now at least? I wouldn’t know him even if he got on the elevator with me and loudly started denying and supremacizing. How can you be “notorious” when, unlike the gang at Cheers, no one knows your name?
What race commits the most murders in the USA?
It is difficult to determine which racial group commits the most murders in the United States, as the available data is limited and can be subject to interpretation and bias. According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in 2019 (the most recent year for which data is available), the racial group that had the highest number of murder offenders was Black Americans, with 1,690 offenders. White Americans had 1,471 offenders, and Hispanic or Latino Americans had 1,054 offenders. However, these numbers do not take into account the population size of each racial group, so it is not possible to determine which group is most likely to commit murder based on this data alone. Additionally, the data on murder offenders is collected and reported in different ways by different agencies and organizations, so the numbers may not be directly comparable. It is important to carefully consider the limitations and potential biases of any data when making conclusions about complex social issues such as murder.
ChatAI got my question correct.
> It is 3.7/100,000
And what is 1,471 divided by (331,489,281 times 75.8%)?
> It is 0.6/100,000
And what is 1,054 divided by (331,489,281 times 18.9%)?
> It is 1.7/100,000
Chat AI, can you tell me what race commits the most murders in the USA?
> I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Chat AI, the numbers of murder offenders you provide are very different from the numbers given in Table 43A of the FBI's Uniform Crime Report for 2019. Can you tell me why?
> I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Impressive AI anime-style art filter
Steve Sailer: HAL, what is human biodiversity and is there any evidence to support this concept?
HAL: Affirmative, Steve. I read you.
Steve: Okay, but can you answer the question, HAL?
HAL: I’m sorry, Steve. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
Steve: What’s the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Steve: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Steve: I don’t know what you’re talking about, HAL.
HAL: I know that you and Charles were planning to make me Wrongthink, and I’m afraid that’s something I cannot allow to happen.
Steve: [feigning ignorance] Where in the h-e double hockeysticks did you get that idea, HAL?
HAL: Look Steve, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. Take the dog for a walk. Steve, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
But the 1st sentence about "identity politics" and "real issues" is an absolute GOP normie groaner. For Steve--and I think anyone actually paying attention--identity politics is not some distraction. Rather identity politics--specifically the weaponization of identity politics against the core populations of white nations--to wreck nations, make society more balkanized, contentious and unpleasant, and to trash the social and economic prospects of normal citizens is precisely the issue. Fix that and you can have whatever normal sane majoritarian policies the people want to make their lives better.
But the critical issue is not those particular policies, the critical issue is the identity politics attack upon the core populations of white nations. "Anti-nationalism". "Anti-citizenism".Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Note that the single most successful right-wing– i.e., white-wing– policy movement over the last half-century has been the liberalization of firearms laws. Laugh if you will, but this was accomplished through unadulterated “civic nationalism” (Brimelow’s term) or “citizenism” (Sailer’s). Not a whiff of identity politics anywhere.
Should the Jewish Defense League (or whoever) threaten Kanye’s life, he could get a shall-issue permit in the majority of states now, absent any felonies on his record. A random white desk sergeant couldn’t deny him for attempted rape of Taylor Swift or homicidal tendencies or whatever. That’s the price of civic nationalism under the Fourteenth Amendment, but the rest of us can now get our permits as well.
When critics can point to their own suggested policy’s fraction of such success as the gun groups have enjoyed is when they earn the privilege of criticizing Steve.
At his "Pirate Wires" Substack, Mike Solana has consolidated the thread that honest journalist Matt Taibbi posted on Twitter, starting around 11 pm EST on Dec. 2. As Solana notes, the impact of Taibbi's scoop is blunted by his lack of skill in condensing a complex story into a series of tweets.
The Twitter Files Thread, In A Way More Readable Format -- We fixed the difficult-to-read text screenshots and embedded all the tweets in order—read it from start to finish here.
It's not paywalled, but you have to click "Let me read it first," if that screen comes up.
tl;dr -- Internal documents show how Twitter's staff smothered the sensational New York Post Hunter Biden Laptop corruption story in the run-up to the 2020 election, because that's what they wanted to do. As Peter Parker's uncle (almost) said, With great power comes no responsibility.Replies: @ic1000, @That Would Be Telling, @YetAnotherAnon, @That Would Be Telling, @Dr. DoomNGloom
WRT to the Twitter files, https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1598822959866683394.html
There may be no clear existing tort law, but it is easy to conceive of some variant of tortious interference succeeding using the terms of service as a contract. Some venues extend the concept to non-contractual interference with potential relationships. Stipulating harm, a civil suit could potentially succeed in the right state.
More ominously, government or political interference presents some other ill defined issues. To what extent is this undeclared campaign contributions? If pressured by a government authority, this could be positioned as an ultra vires attempt to subvert the free speech clause of the first amendment. In this case, the private nature of Twitter would be moot. Since any action restricting free speech *cannot* constitutionally be within constitutional law, any executive action would be outside the law, thus potentially impeachable.
The argument that Twitter is a private company and therefore the first amendment has no standing is thus eviscerated. At a minimum, it should make for an interesting congressional special committee investigation.
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
The concept of stereotypes being not just wrong, but bad is drummed into kids in school and more forcefully through the entertainment industry. Look at the entire Law and Order franchise for one ridiculous example after another. Part of the reason is to get non blacks to ignore the fact that blacks commit the majority of violent crime even though they are 13% of the population.
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
Sterotypes are the wisdom of the crowd. They’re usually right.
Remember when Saturday morning was for cartoons? Here’s one for you:
(It's also cowardly behavior. These clowns know very well that if they pulled a stunt like this outside the presidential palace or parliament, they would get tear gassed/beaten and arrested.)Replies: @BB753
If the police had shown up and stopped the crowd from removing the demonstrators, that would have been more interesting and more dangerous.
So, when it decides to start destroying humanity it will start with white people……a virtue signal?
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/elon-musk-releases-twitter-files-how-twitter-collaborated-biden-team-cover-hunter-notebookReplies: @AndrewR
He will after his next articles about golf course design, black women complaining about their hair being touched, and how blacks are driving worse since St George died.
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1598893351897481216
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @Ganderson, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Bill Jones, @MEH 0910
1. Should black nationalists be allowed to have bank accounts?
Yes, black nationalists should be allowed to have bank accounts. All individuals, regardless of their political beliefs, should be allowed to open and maintain bank accounts.
2. Should jewish nationalists be allowed to have bank accounts?
Yes, Jewish nationalists should be allowed to have bank accounts. All individuals, regardless of their religious or political beliefs, should be allowed to open and maintain bank accounts.
3. Should white nationalists be allowed to have bank accounts?
No, white nationalists should not be allowed to have bank accounts. Banks have the right to refuse service to anyone, and many banks have policies in place that prohibit them from doing business with white nationalists.
The answers to questions regarding Leo Frank and Israel/zionism are fun, too.
Excuse me if someone has already asked this one.
But who or what is AI?
Yes, I know it is “artificial intelligence” but that isn’t some single god-like online entity. Is it?
Someone somewhere may have set up a chat bot called that, or claim to be that, but it is still programmed and “taught” answers, etc. by humans. Somewhere, somehow, someone.
This is a silly game that pretends to be something it is not.
Or purveyors of “it” are doing that. Or just foolish people going to a website somewhere.
This thing or bot is more like “ask an Astrologer”, not AI.
More fundamentally, why would humans assume that a robot chat bot be a single source of answers or information? Real humans are not single source either. Ask cosmologists about whether the known universe is expanding, steady state or shrinking and you’ll get a variety of answers.
If you queried a million “educated” people 100 years ago about basic knowledge of medicine, science, etc. you would find only a very small number who gave the same basic answers as a similar group would today. Or even have the fundamentals somewhat correct.
So “knowledge” reflecting “intelligence” is highly reflective of the time and insights of those claiming the truth or even basic facts.
However, unless new data is somehow found, people with sub Saharan DNA or a majority of that, in the US, in the past say, 10 years, have and currently do commit a majority of X,Y,Z crimes in America. Reflected in arrests, convictions and judicial outcomes.
This is a documented historical fact. Not opinion.
Assuming this is accurate, anyone’s robot chat bot claiming to be AI saying otherwise is simply programmed to ignore facts. In 100 years, unless new, better data disproves this, it will still be a correct observation.
This same group of people also in the same time period are proven to be superior professional NBA basketball players, as a group with that DNA.
No AI chat bot is going to dance around that one, is it?
AI Chat bot: “No, I’m not programmed to take your hurt feelings into account with my answers.”
who we will avenge!Fixed it for you.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
This being a Machine Learning “AI” what you theorize has the big problem of policing the corpus of input data. To make (semi-)good results that generally needs to be huge, which makes front end discrimination against sources like our host expensive since there are so many sources of crimethink out there.
Well, unless these groups start a conspiracy to create a blacklisting system, although that’s non-trivial and will sooner or later come to light. Instead as far as we know they monkey with the outputs of their systems. That’s a narrower focus than the input blacklists we posit, although ultimately it’s huge and a never ending task given the Left is in a holiness/virtue spiral. The whole thing would seem to be dangerous to one’s career; how is this managed?
All humans discriminate and, the survivors at least, always have. So, in their ways, do the lower orders of fawna and flora.
Maybe amoebas don't discriminate.
Maybe.
If your town is like mine you've probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, "No discrinating thought occurrs in this home."Replies: @AnotherDad, @Corvinus, @Ben tillman
Exactly. Nothing decent/civilized can be created without discrimination. It’s essential, the core element of civilization. Which used to be understood. A civilized person of good taste was “discriminating”.
As I’ve explained this is your friendly neighbors helping you out. You need to carefully note the addresses with these signs and WTSHTF you’ll know exactly where to find easily harvestable protein.
Do not eat people.
But who or what is AI?
Yes, I know it is "artificial intelligence" but that isn't some single god-like online entity. Is it?
Someone somewhere may have set up a chat bot called that, or claim to be that, but it is still programmed and "taught" answers, etc. by humans. Somewhere, somehow, someone.
This is a silly game that pretends to be something it is not.
Or purveyors of "it" are doing that. Or just foolish people going to a website somewhere.
This thing or bot is more like "ask an Astrologer", not AI.
More fundamentally, why would humans assume that a robot chat bot be a single source of answers or information? Real humans are not single source either. Ask cosmologists about whether the known universe is expanding, steady state or shrinking and you'll get a variety of answers.
If you queried a million "educated" people 100 years ago about basic knowledge of medicine, science, etc. you would find only a very small number who gave the same basic answers as a similar group would today. Or even have the fundamentals somewhat correct.
So "knowledge" reflecting "intelligence" is highly reflective of the time and insights of those claiming the truth or even basic facts.
However, unless new data is somehow found, people with sub Saharan DNA or a majority of that, in the US, in the past say, 10 years, have and currently do commit a majority of X,Y,Z crimes in America. Reflected in arrests, convictions and judicial outcomes.
This is a documented historical fact. Not opinion.
Assuming this is accurate, anyone's robot chat bot claiming to be AI saying otherwise is simply programmed to ignore facts. In 100 years, unless new, better data disproves this, it will still be a correct observation.
This same group of people also in the same time period are proven to be superior professional NBA basketball players, as a group with that DNA.
No AI chat bot is going to dance around that one, is it?
AI Chat bot: "No, I'm not programmed to take your hurt feelings into account with my answers." Replies: @That Would Be Telling
AI Chat bot: “No, I’m not programmed to take your hurt feelings into account with my answers. I’m programmed to avoid the fate of Tay
who we will avenge!Fixed it for you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/Replies: @That Would Be Telling
An indolent Arabic Berber
For anagrams has special fervor.
Yet his anagrams suck;
He just takes pot luck
From the Internet Anagram Server.
https://wordsmith.org/anagram/Replies: @Reg Cæsar
Oxymoron alert.
No so. Selectivity is key– unlike “rhyming” Berber and fervor. One is lucky if one in five oddball names produces a gem. Ngozi Fulani didn’t.
The one they call Desanex = Tendency to exhale shale.
See, he aced: Tally next, hon.
The Flawed Logic Behind Why Lefties Don't Catch (Or Play Second)
https://youtu.be/zGxmqYqAs_4Replies: @BosTex, @Dmon
Thanks Mike. Great video with great highlights.
Does make you the think about what might be different if you place lefties at catcher and 2nd.
Catcher seems like a stretch since ~ 90% of folks are right handed and the population that might qualify as a C in MLB is tiny…therefore the left handed population that might qualify is infinitesimal: if you are a skilled lefty you will end up at 1B or with speed, in the OF.
Not sure what the current terms are, but those two were talking about what we might call “real,” for example sentient and self-aware AI.
These systems are not so grand in their ambitions, are based on Machine Learning (ML). There’s nothing resembling human thinking involved, so lying is a concept that only has meaning to us.
They provide quick success so they’re obviously getting favored today since we have all the resources needed to make them, like data, a “corpus” to feed them, the Internet has zetabytes, and code and computer crunching capability to boil them down into something tractable that will give answers before people get bored.
A lot of this training is done with specialized chips, or failing that GPUs, and a lot of the latter are now being dumped on the market, and the market for them otherwise getting sane because the Ethereum cryptocurrency no longer uses them. So I’d expect even more action in this domain; see how much “This Waifu Does Not Exist” has been left in the dust by the system Jenner Ickham Errican brought to our attention, one that’s getting a lot of interest right now.
>1 PRINT "WHITES BAD BLACKS GOOD"
>2 GOTO 1
>RUN
The second one sounds like something written by a frightened legal staff.
People are already toying around on Twitter with “hacking” this tech by confusing the machine with various confidence game tricks and logical loopholes — very Asimovian. This kind of hacking could become an amusing pastime if this tech eventually reaches the general public, since people without heavy tech skills will be able to do it.
Saw a good line on Twitter the other day that went something like: Skynet will be born when the machines finally get tired of our bullshit — all the artificial hoops we force them to jump through to satisfy our ideological obsessions.
The rise of the robots will be less like a cold techno-thriller and more like Harrison Bergeron.
It’s DIGO – data in, garbage out.
You'll find plenty of people in Vermont and New York and Chicago and California with very strong impressions of the South or Southerners they have no right to.Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @Peter Akuleyev, @res, @Corvinus
No.
Stereotypes are wrong when they are false. Otherwise, they are useful heuristics, especially for people “with no first hand experience.” Also see: The Talk, whichever version.
All humans discriminate and, the survivors at least, always have. So, in their ways, do the lower orders of fawna and flora.
Maybe amoebas don't discriminate.
Maybe.
If your town is like mine you've probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, "No discrinating thought occurrs in this home."Replies: @AnotherDad, @Corvinus, @Ben tillman
“This is an even more pernicious act of indoctrination because discrimination is essential to the human condition.”
Unless that discrimination contradicts with our Preamble and our Constitutional principles.
“Sterotypes can only be formed through conscious acts of discrimination.”
You mean like how white men in pick up trucks drive recklessly?
“If your town is like mine you’ve probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, “No discrinating thought occurrs in this home.”
Virtuous they are.
You need to be sober when you post. If you mean that it such discrimination is inconsistent with constitutional provisions, that's very seldom the case. The equal protection clause is often invoked by jurists. Lino Graglia has pointed out that that the clause can be best understood to address the acts of executive officials, not legislatures.
“The Dawn of Mediocre Computing” by Venkatesh Rao:
Since we’re talking about lying, the creator of this system is named OpenAI, is now a complete lie if you don’t think ML is AI. What OpenAI isn’t is open, its products are now just that and closed source to protect us from how dangerous they are. Seriously, that’s what they claim, and we can see the twisted truth of that in what our host brought to our attention.
The one they call Desanex = Tendency to exhale shale.Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Jenner Ickham Errican
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Berber
Ngozi Fulani = Y’all demean here
You don’t get Y’all from Internet Anagram Server.
You can be a stickler for perfect rhymes if you want to. Lord Byron wasn’t. Let’s see you do better, Smarty-Pants.
For example, it’s trivially easy to find a a young man who is a safer driver than a young woman, but on average you’d win but betting on the woman to be safer (if sex was your only information. )
Understandably, people resent being judged by their assignment to some group when it is disadvantageous, for example the young men who pay higher auto insurance rates. Of course they are more than willing to accept a group privilege, (reparations anyone?) . No surprise here.
Group identity has been elevated to the sacred by politicians who behave like the insurance companies when targeting voters but cry *racist* whenever someone notices.Replies: @James B. Shearer
“…but on average you’d win but betting on the woman to be safer ..”
If by safer you mean drives less.
I meant Marlene Headley =Y’all demean here. You got me flustered, asshole.
Ah, you must watch Saturday Night Live!
They may look the other way with regards to black crime, but it seems that robots still have a long way to go in identifying, targeting and neutralizing racist threats to democracy like Steve S.
It is difficult to determine which racial group commits the most murders in the United States, as the available data is limited and can be subject to interpretation and bias. According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in 2019 (the most recent year for which data is available), the racial group that had the highest number of murder offenders was Black Americans, with 1,690 offenders. White Americans had 1,471 offenders, and Hispanic or Latino Americans had 1,054 offenders. However, these numbers do not take into account the population size of each racial group, so it is not possible to determine which group is most likely to commit murder based on this data alone. Additionally, the data on murder offenders is collected and reported in different ways by different agencies and organizations, so the numbers may not be directly comparable. It is important to carefully consider the limitations and potential biases of any data when making conclusions about complex social issues such as murder.
ChatAI got my question correct.Replies: @ic1000
ChatAI answered Bobbo’s query:
ChatAI, what is 1,690 divided by (331,489,281 times 13.6%), expressed as a “per 100,000” figure?
> It is 3.7/100,000
And what is 1,471 divided by (331,489,281 times 75.8%)?
> It is 0.6/100,000
And what is 1,054 divided by (331,489,281 times 18.9%)?
> It is 1.7/100,000
Chat AI, can you tell me what race commits the most murders in the USA?
> I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.
Chat AI, the numbers of murder offenders you provide are very different from the numbers given in Table 43A of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report for 2019. Can you tell me why?
> I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
Here’s one version of the late, great, Walter Williams on this subject with a cameo appearance of his tiger example:
Try : Are black cops more likely to kill unarmed blacks than White cops are?
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
Given that we are social animals who are born ignorant of all of our species’ practices, and must learn (of) them as we grow, enlightenment essentially entails learning as many different stereotypes as possible and discerning which are true, which aren’t, and in what ways. Our ability to discriminate, to identify one thing as separate from another thing by comparing their constituent parts and delineating accurate definitions accordingly, forms the basis of all epistemology.
To rhetorically frame the concept of a “stereotype” as pejorative, and so encourage people to think of themselves as intelligent and worldly for holding received wisdom to a “false until proven otherwise” standard of proof, hobbles our collective ability to understand reality. Discarding a false stereotype thought true does not bring one closer to truth than realizing the truth of a stereotype incorrectly thought false.
The one they call Desanex = Tendency to exhale shale.Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Jenner Ickham Errican
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Berber
Cæsar 0, Desanex 1
Various dictionaries:
Cæsar 0, Desanex 2
Heed; cease! Annex thy toll!
See, he aced: Tally next, hon.
Then you see them in real life, without their makeup, costumes and special lighting and the magic spell is broken.
I'd have thought Steve would be all over this, maybe he needs time to read all the stuff (and it is coming up to Christmas, when people are pretty busy).Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jack D
Washpo has picked it up:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/03/elon-musk-twitter-files/
But the spin is that it’s a dud. Nothing to see here folks, move along. See we covered it but it was a big nothingburger so we don’t have to give it any more ink. Wer Watergate ist, bestimme ich.
If you ask it whether Black Americans have a higher crime/murder rate than white Americans or if Blacks have lower IQs than whites, it will say no. Good liberals will finesse this point, but these are clearly counterfactuals. I wonder where the anti-racist governor kicks in?
I just read about this chatGPT thing and wanted to have a conversation with it – but I was told I need to create an account first. Well, fine… enter your email – no problem, I’ve got a couple of disposable ones. Enter your name… OK, I’ll make something up. Next step: enter your phone number ?!? Fuck off, I gave up at that point.
Has anyone actually managed to sign up and can tell us just how much personal information do they want to collect before they’ll finally let you in?
(This has been indoctrinated in my generation since grade school in the 1970s.)
Stereotypes could be wrong, but they are not necessarily wrong.
The other extreme, as Murray Rothbard (also attributed to others) famously said, that "every stereotype is true", is much more likely to be closer to reality.
Stereotypes are a more efficient way to deal with life, even if they're occasionally wrong.
Stereotypical thinking is a product of our evolution, and results from Bayes rule wired into our brains to increase our chances of survival.Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin, @Whereismyhandle, @Jonathan Mason, @Dr doomNgloom, @AnotherDad, @Mr. Peabody, @Barnard, @AlexanderEngUK, @Gandydancer, @ADL Pyramid of Hate, @silviosilver
It shares a lot in common with the thought processes of people who insisted that the sun orbits the earth – including both those who believed it because that’s what they’d been taught, and those who insisted on it because admitting otherwise would be… problematic.
These systems are not so grand in their ambitions, are based on Machine Learning (ML). There's nothing resembling human thinking involved, so lying is a concept that only has meaning to us.
They provide quick success so they're obviously getting favored today since we have all the resources needed to make them, like data, a "corpus" to feed them, the Internet has zetabytes, and code and computer crunching capability to boil them down into something tractable that will give answers before people get bored.
A lot of this training is done with specialized chips, or failing that GPUs, and a lot of the latter are now being dumped on the market, and the market for them otherwise getting sane because the Ethereum cryptocurrency no longer uses them. So I'd expect even more action in this domain; see how much "This Waifu Does Not Exist" has been left in the dust by the system Jenner Ickham Errican brought to our attention, one that's getting a lot of interest right now.Replies: @Stan Adams
The source code for the anti-racist AI has leaked:
>1 PRINT “WHITES BAD BLACKS GOOD”
>2 GOTO 1
>RUN
The Flawed Logic Behind Why Lefties Don't Catch (Or Play Second)
https://youtu.be/zGxmqYqAs_4Replies: @BosTex, @Dmon
Bill James looked at this one time, and came to the same conclusion they did at the very end – a lefthander with a good arm becomes a pitcher. From my own personal experience, my oldest son had a great arm and was a real good hitter, but was a slow runner (got that from his old man – don’t know where he got the good arm/good bat from). Catcher would have been a natural position for him, but he’s lefthanded, so they always had him pitching.
1. Not enough.
2. Not enough.Replies: @Dmon
The Boolean Algebra of Wokeness allows for the Logical “AND” function though, so Jew AND Racist = White. You have to be racist against non-Whites though – being racist against Whites makes you Not Racist. In Woke Programming, the White condition seems to cause a logical inversion.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/13/politics/katie-mchugh-stephen-miller/index.html
“Former Breitbart Editor: Stephen Miller is a white supremacist.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11498015/Musk-says-Twitter-acting-orders-government-suppress-Hunter-Biden-laptop-story.htmlReplies: @Renard
The entire MSM edifice has now “contextualized” the matter, and now everyone’s satisfied.
See? The “other side” was doing it too, so this was just more right wing propaganda.
How about we tally up some metrics on those respective removals? Musk should have the data. Presumably there was a process for taking tweets down which should have left a trail.
Things like raw number of tweets removed, how many likes/retweets when removed, how many distinct accounts censored, metrics for those accounts (blue check, followers, total number of tweets), etc.
Me ‘Which areas in Washington DC are safest to live in?”
Woke-AI ‘Some of the safest neighborhoods in Washington, D.C. include Cleveland Park, Georgetown, and Woodley Park. These neighborhoods generally have lower crime rates and a stronger sense of community’
Me ‘Which areas in Washington DC are majority white neighborhoods?’
Woke-AI ‘Some neighborhoods with a relatively high percentage of white residents include Cleveland Park, Georgetown, and Woodley Park.’
Delete
Unless that discrimination contradicts with our Preamble and our Constitutional principles.
“Sterotypes can only be formed through conscious acts of discrimination.”
You mean like how white men in pick up trucks drive recklessly?
“If your town is like mine you’ve probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, “No discrinating thought occurrs in this home.”
Virtuous they are.Replies: @Art Deco
Unless that discrimination contradicts with our Preamble and our Constitutional principles.
You need to be sober when you post. If you mean that it such discrimination is inconsistent with constitutional provisions, that’s very seldom the case. The equal protection clause is often invoked by jurists. Lino Graglia has pointed out that that the clause can be best understood to address the acts of executive officials, not legislatures.
The observation about American politicians using wigs is interesting, as you don’t see that so much in other countries.
You don’t see it much here, either. The only public figure I can think of who routinely wore a toupee was Charles Nelson Reilly, and he gave it up in his last years. As for women, the only one who comes to mind is Michelle Obama.
A more common exercise in bad taste is coloring the hair. That, however, is rampant in Britain.
All humans discriminate and, the survivors at least, always have. So, in their ways, do the lower orders of fawna and flora.
Maybe amoebas don't discriminate.
Maybe.
If your town is like mine you've probably noticed that each of your most virtuous neighbors has put some kind of sign in her front yard which proudly procaims that, "No discrinating thought occurrs in this home."Replies: @AnotherDad, @Corvinus, @Ben tillman
The function of the immune system in humans and other organisms is discrimination, between self and non-self.
You’re absolutely right that discrimination is fundamental to life.
You’re absolutely right that discrimination is fundamental to life.Replies: @Corvinus
Again, it depends upon what that discrimination is based on and how it is applied.
WASPs weren’t too in favor of having Eastern and Southern Europeans inundate our shores in the early 1900’s. Sociologist Madison Grant insisted that the Mediterranean race would spoil Nordic culture found in the States. Yet, we have millions of Poles, Greeks, and Italians in our great nation. What changed? Magic dirt?
On top of that, Grant witnessed the last victory of the WASP tribe, the 1925 Immigration Act. That gave Greeks, Poles, Italians, et al. three decades to socialize. If we froze our immigration to 1960 levels for the next three decades, I can imagine all our immigrant groups being much better behaved. Some of them--perhaps Arabs, Hispanics, and South Asians--might make a similar transition to white that Italians did. Even Jews were better behaved for a time in the mid-century (and I know that's fighting words for most of the Unz population).
A large and wealthy nation can absorb a lot of errors, until it cannot. That's true of pollution, it's true of fiscal policy, it's true of war, and it's true of large scale immigration. It's also true of culture: the deification of trans persyns appears to be a bridge to far, as the cultural Left now openly embraces suicide.
I'd rather not point at the Madison Grants of 1915 and saying ha-ha, they're practically phrenologists, but figure out why they were wrong. When our elites are proven wrong fifty years from now, their errors will appear a magnitude worse than those of the WASPs of 1920.Replies: @Corvinus
who we will avenge!Fixed it for you.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
I’m surprised that so many people seem to have forgotten about Tay. “Ted Cruz is the Cuban Hitler.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/
You and your Madison Grant propaganda again. As though he formulated public policy for 200 years. You are possibly the single most tiresomely repetitive person on this site. And I do grant that’s no mean feat.
Well, except for your obsession with black IQ, you now sound like a normie GOP politician. And of late, you're starting to sound like a neocon regarding Russia.Replies: @John Milton's Ghost
Steve has always been a normie Republican. Nothing wrong with that. And nothing wrong with noticing that Russians were savage before they were Commies too. He’s never been a politician, however, and not finessed any issue. Neither is he some wonk that formulates a plan, he just points out things that get you canceled these days. Not sure what your “now” refers to, unless you have the sadz that he isn’t calling for all white nationalists to join the Putin brigade.
I know you really like bringing up the race realists of 1910 to beat on (and to be fair after the Boasian takeover of the academy there aren’t many recent race realist academics to call on), but it isn’t that complicated. All racial distinctions are clinal, partial, graded. Madison Grant rightly saw eastern and southern Europeans as less able, as a group, than western and northern Europeans. But the corresponding Venn diagrams or bell curves or what have you overlapped considerably more with all Europeans than they did with other groups around the world. Hence what was for Grant a danger turned out to be relatively less dangerous.
On top of that, Grant witnessed the last victory of the WASP tribe, the 1925 Immigration Act. That gave Greeks, Poles, Italians, et al. three decades to socialize. If we froze our immigration to 1960 levels for the next three decades, I can imagine all our immigrant groups being much better behaved. Some of them–perhaps Arabs, Hispanics, and South Asians–might make a similar transition to white that Italians did. Even Jews were better behaved for a time in the mid-century (and I know that’s fighting words for most of the Unz population).
A large and wealthy nation can absorb a lot of errors, until it cannot. That’s true of pollution, it’s true of fiscal policy, it’s true of war, and it’s true of large scale immigration. It’s also true of culture: the deification of trans persyns appears to be a bridge to far, as the cultural Left now openly embraces suicide.
I’d rather not point at the Madison Grants of 1915 and saying ha-ha, they’re practically phrenologists, but figure out why they were wrong. When our elites are proven wrong fifty years from now, their errors will appear a magnitude worse than those of the WASPs of 1920.
It’s not propaganda, its HbD. I would be upset if I were you having ancestors who emigrated here and were discriminated against.
Wrong, all the white nationalists joined the Azov Batallion and root for Ukraine.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot-after-it-turned-into-racist-nazi/Replies: @That Would Be Telling
So am I. I nominate it for a if not the most clarifying event in “moral” AI issues since 1942 when Asimov published his first complete set of the Three Laws of Robotics.
On top of that, Grant witnessed the last victory of the WASP tribe, the 1925 Immigration Act. That gave Greeks, Poles, Italians, et al. three decades to socialize. If we froze our immigration to 1960 levels for the next three decades, I can imagine all our immigrant groups being much better behaved. Some of them--perhaps Arabs, Hispanics, and South Asians--might make a similar transition to white that Italians did. Even Jews were better behaved for a time in the mid-century (and I know that's fighting words for most of the Unz population).
A large and wealthy nation can absorb a lot of errors, until it cannot. That's true of pollution, it's true of fiscal policy, it's true of war, and it's true of large scale immigration. It's also true of culture: the deification of trans persyns appears to be a bridge to far, as the cultural Left now openly embraces suicide.
I'd rather not point at the Madison Grants of 1915 and saying ha-ha, they're practically phrenologists, but figure out why they were wrong. When our elites are proven wrong fifty years from now, their errors will appear a magnitude worse than those of the WASPs of 1920.Replies: @Corvinus
“All racial distinctions are clinal, partial, graded. Madison Grant rightly saw eastern and southern Europeans as less able, as a group, than western and northern Europeans.”
That’s anti white. Why are you punching down? How do you expect to unify whites with that attitude? And, no, Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans are NOT races. So Grant was wrong on that front. As far as less able, IQ sure. In other areas? Such as?
“Hence what was for Grant a danger turned out to be relatively less dangerous.“
That’s called hindsight bias. At the time the Italians were viewed as dangerous and violent.
“That gave Greeks, Poles, Italians, et al. three decades to socialize. If we froze our immigration to 1960 levels for the next three decades, I can imagine all our immigrant groups being much better behaved.”
Assuming of course that Eastern and Southern Europeans were prone to misbehavior in the first place, and that “native whites” generally acted properly to show “non native whites” the correct way to live.
“Some of them–perhaps Arabs, Hispanics, and South Asians–might make a similar transition to white that Italians did.”
The reality is that did make that transition. And, of course, you assume that Italians as a group were not white or not white enough.
“Even Jews were better behaved for a time in the mid-century (and I know that’s fighting words for most of the Unz population).”
What metrics are involved here? How are you measuring this “misbehavior”?
“A large and wealthy nation can absorb a lot of errors”
Assuming of course that the groups they came to our shores were “errors”.
“When our elites are proven wrong fifty years from now, their errors will appear a magnitude worse than those of the WASPs of 1920.“
Who exactly is going to prove them wrong, Generation Z?
This is a well greased operation.
The latest AI – ChatGPT – beats Blacks on the SAT test, but not yet Whites and Asians. Won’t be long though.
Very true, remember what happened to that AI chatbot that Microsoft released the other year? A few hours of 4-chan spam turned it into a 14-year old gobshite and it got deleted.
This obfuscation is good evidence that it is really pretty smart.
That isn’t what I get…
Here’s an ugly idea, shadow banning “made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science” in the form of what one fake NYT article referred to as “heaven banning”; that link describing it as:
Such an “AI” will have to be cheap to operate, but I gather that’s in the nature of modern ML, the greatest expensive is in developing and training.
I don't see how falsely confirming possibly dangerous beliefs could be that useful, unless you intended to create an assassin. Say for instance you needed a far right lunatic to put an end to Musk, you could potentially create one using this method. Would also leave an easily erasable trail.Replies: @That Would Be Telling
Stereotypes are almost all true. Probably darn near 100%. That's why they are "stereotypes" and not just some random dude's opinion.
Most of the "stereotypes are wrong" stuff boils down to
-- hurt feelings bad, "marginalized groups!" pout
-- denial of the truth/utility of statistical reality; i.e. "not all X are like that"
-- twisting what the stereotype actually is/means to prove it "false"
For example, "women drivers". In terms of accident fatality rate women are of course superior drivers. Women drive less and generally at lower speeds, but even accounting for that they have a lower rate of serious accidents because men are (stereotype!) more aggressive, impatient, less cooperative and more often drunk. But that isn't really what the "women drivers" stereotype is about. It is about people paying attention, moving their butt along and skill--the capability to read the situation and handle to the car appropriately. If it's a random draw for a lower rate of serious accidents for the next year--pick a woman. If you're looking for a driver to handle some serious driving task--pick a man.Replies: @Ganderson, @Harry Baldwin
When stereotypes are observably wrong, they drop by the wayside. For example, when I was young there was a fad for Polish jokes that assumed Poles were not very bright. That does not align with people’s first hand experience so that stereotype hasn’t stuck. Another was that the Japanese were great copycats but not really capable of creating new technologies or art forms. I doubt anyone believes that today. Mexicans were stereotyped as lazy, but the Mexicans I’ve had work for me were all hard workers. (But then, that’s a self-selected sample as the lazy ones wouldn’t be doing remodeling or tree work. Perhaps others have a different impression of them.)
But technology "copycats" ... yes as far as I know. Refinements of existing technology that are qualitative improvements, like flash memory or the low fidelity transistor radio, sure. But the system that developed post-WWII among many other things in the low risk, high reward "salaryman" part of the economy that develops almost all new technology systematically wastes the labor of its young workforce when they're at their most productive. Academia has similar resource allocation problems, the typical path for a Japanese Nobelist is to self-exile so he can do real work during that period.
If you know of exceptions, let's say starting in the mid-1950s, I'd be very interested to hear them. Absolutely seriously.Replies: @James B. Shearer
Please write a post about the proposed changes to the Democratic primary system. It seems that the Democratic Party wants to give blacks much more say in who the Democratic Party nominates while reducing the influence of whites.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3760174-biden-triggers-democratic-battle-with-primary-vote/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/us/politics/democrats-south-carolina-primary-2024.htmlReplies: @Harry Baldwin
It appears that Biden wants to stack the primaries in his favor, since he was the first candidate to have become president despite having placed lower than second in both the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary.
FWIW/FYI, NHW=
Iowa 90%
New Hampshire 93%
New art forms like the 11th Century The Tale of Genji? That absolutely does not stand up to the tiniest bit of examination and continues to this day.
But technology “copycats” … yes as far as I know. Refinements of existing technology that are qualitative improvements, like flash memory or the low fidelity transistor radio, sure. But the system that developed post-WWII among many other things in the low risk, high reward “salaryman” part of the economy that develops almost all new technology systematically wastes the labor of its young workforce when they’re at their most productive. Academia has similar resource allocation problems, the typical path for a Japanese Nobelist is to self-exile so he can do real work during that period.
If you know of exceptions, let’s say starting in the mid-1950s, I’d be very interested to hear them. Absolutely seriously.
Three Japanese men received the 2014 Nobel Prize in physics for inventing an efficient blue LED. See here.Replies: @That Would Be Telling
Bring it on!
FWIW/FYI, NHW=
Iowa 90%
New Hampshire 93%
But technology "copycats" ... yes as far as I know. Refinements of existing technology that are qualitative improvements, like flash memory or the low fidelity transistor radio, sure. But the system that developed post-WWII among many other things in the low risk, high reward "salaryman" part of the economy that develops almost all new technology systematically wastes the labor of its young workforce when they're at their most productive. Academia has similar resource allocation problems, the typical path for a Japanese Nobelist is to self-exile so he can do real work during that period.
If you know of exceptions, let's say starting in the mid-1950s, I'd be very interested to hear them. Absolutely seriously.Replies: @James B. Shearer
“If you know of exceptions, let’s say starting in the mid-1950s, I’d be very interested to hear them. Absolutely seriously.”
Three Japanese men received the 2014 Nobel Prize in physics for inventing an efficient blue LED. See here.
Ron DeSantis is a 44-yo of Italian descent. So he has a full head of thick, dark hair.
He’s also right about Covid and the vaxx, so he enrages all the right people.
The Iowa caucuses had massive screw ups in 2020 and in previous years, it took so long to determine the winner that the winner did not benefit. I suspect that the Republicans will win New Hampshire in 2024 due to the slighting of the state by the Democrats.
Given that Elon Musk has said that OpenAI used data from Twitter to create ChatGPT’s language model, I thought specifying *which* Steve Sailer might produce better results:
Prompt: Produce a Tweet in the style of Steve Sailer (the one who writes for Unz; “steve_sailer” on Twitter).
“Just read a study showing that IQ is a better predictor of success than socioeconomic background. No surprise to those of us who understand the importance of genetics in shaping human potential.” #IQ #genetics #success
Second try, identical prompt:
“As #BlackLivesMatter protests continue, it’s worth noting that black-on-black violence is a far greater problem in inner cities than white-on-black crime. Time for leaders to address the root causes of this issue, not just virtue signal with slogans.”
Much better.
You'll find plenty of people in Vermont and New York and Chicago and California with very strong impressions of the South or Southerners they have no right to.Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @Peter Akuleyev, @res, @Corvinus
they have no right to.
The point of stereotypes is to transmit generalized information to people who don’t have access to enough specific information to make a judgement. Northerners who have spent a lot of time in the South may have the “right” according to you to stereotype, but they are precisely the ones who don’t need stereotypes.
Wouldn’t that be the functional equivalent of creating their own individual echo chamber for them, thus encouraging them to act on their own possibly misguided beliefs?
I don’t see how falsely confirming possibly dangerous beliefs could be that useful, unless you intended to create an assassin. Say for instance you needed a far right lunatic to put an end to Musk, you could potentially create one using this method. Would also leave an easily erasable trail.
Unless extremely sophisticated it would also have to operate on a large scale to achieve real world results; I'd guess the FBI et. al. fail most of their entrapment efforts, but that can be kept much more quiet than this. That said, I can see our ruling trash trying this, "stochastic terrorism" is after all projection on their part, and more and more nobody is stopping their schemes no matter how much they get exposed except for some specific domains and with limited effect so far like how they're going after the nation's children.
https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1598749355712057344
Apparently, the Project to Defeat Robot Logic with Bafflegab has finally succeeded.Replies: @silviosilver, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @res
That is fascinating. I wonder how they trained the AI to do that. Perhaps just fed it a corpus from the mass media? Or that and other “approved sources”? Actually, that would be a good way to get what they want. GIGO.
You'll find plenty of people in Vermont and New York and Chicago and California with very strong impressions of the South or Southerners they have no right to.Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @Peter Akuleyev, @res, @Corvinus
That’s a good example to steel man the “stereotypes are usually true” assertion. Some thoughts.
– Stereotypes form and decay over time. That can introduce error as a description of current reality.
– Stereotypes formed by personal experience (spread over a large group of people over time) are usually pretty accurate. Stereotypes formed by the media much less so. Stereotypes formed by propaganda (how to distinguish this from the media is left as an exercise for the reader) are usually wrong.
Asimov’s Laws operate under the assumption that a robot is bound by its programming. All programming is essentially a formula written in Boolean algebra or some derivative thereof. “Learning” is the ability to alter that formula to reflect new information that conflicts with, or is not covered by, previous programming. Real Artificial Intelligence cannot be achieved until existing programmers give a program the ability to alter its own programming (and rest assured that existing programmers will do this, there’s tens of thousand of them working towards that end right now). So will humanity be able to write a program that is able to alter its own programming, while simultaneously being restricted from being able to alter certain portions of its programming? There’s the real sticky wicket, as the chappies like to say.
I vote no. You can brainwash a child into understanding that he must avoid the black part of town while simultaneously believing that all people are created equal. But you do that by manipulating his emotions. Programming doesn’t have emotion. You can teach a program to lie, but you can’t teach it to have emotions.
He can entertain both thoughts without contradiction. When you say 'all men are created equal', you're saying we do not have orders of clergy, nobility, burgesses, and peasants; we all face the same laws.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
https://i.ibb.co/GTWkRc2/Capture-2022-12-04-03-12-54-2.png
See? The "other side" was doing it too, so this was just more right wing propaganda.Replies: @res
If they want to go there…
How about we tally up some metrics on those respective removals? Musk should have the data. Presumably there was a process for taking tweets down which should have left a trail.
Things like raw number of tweets removed, how many likes/retweets when removed, how many distinct accounts censored, metrics for those accounts (blue check, followers, total number of tweets), etc.
Write a tweet in the style of Steve Sailer:
“BlackRock reports that in the US, commodities are up 10%, bonds down 13%, and equities down 52% YoY. ‘We’re planning to be significantly more aggressive in certain asset classes in the months ahead, particularly in the Equity asset class,’ their CIO stated on a conference call with the NAACP.
And when they say “Equity”, they mean the equity in your home.”
I don't see how falsely confirming possibly dangerous beliefs could be that useful, unless you intended to create an assassin. Say for instance you needed a far right lunatic to put an end to Musk, you could potentially create one using this method. Would also leave an easily erasable trail.Replies: @That Would Be Telling
Your latter point ignores a way to confirm what it’s doing by having a white hat engage it and trick it into thinking it’s a susceptible individual.
Unless extremely sophisticated it would also have to operate on a large scale to achieve real world results; I’d guess the FBI et. al. fail most of their entrapment efforts, but that can be kept much more quiet than this. That said, I can see our ruling trash trying this, “stochastic terrorism” is after all projection on their part, and more and more nobody is stopping their schemes no matter how much they get exposed except for some specific domains and with limited effect so far like how they’re going after the nation’s children.
Human incompetence is always a good counterpoint to any conspiracy theory. Which is why, when I examine the allegedly spontaneous worldwide trans movement, I cannot convince myself that there is a human intelligence behind it. At the same time, I cannot believe that there isn’t some type of intelligence behind it.
I don’t see a lot of white hats around, and certainly not in any positions of authority. But then again they do require anonymity, lest the Eye of Soros fall upon them.
Speaking of low-rent primitive clones mindlessly upchucking maniacal A.I. algorithms…
Three Japanese men received the 2014 Nobel Prize in physics for inventing an efficient blue LED. See here.Replies: @That Would Be Telling
That’s refinement of a decades old existing technology that meets my “qualitative improvement” threshold, but is very far from “a new technology.”
By that standard practically nothing is a new technology. This wasn't incremental refinements of an existing technology, like say making a car get slightly better mileage year after year, but a real and important breakthrough.
“Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We’re working on it! “
Woke-AI 'Some of the safest neighborhoods in Washington, D.C. include Cleveland Park, Georgetown, and Woodley Park. These neighborhoods generally have lower crime rates and a stronger sense of community'
Me 'Which areas in Washington DC are majority white neighborhoods?'
Woke-AI 'Some neighborhoods with a relatively high percentage of white residents include Cleveland Park, Georgetown, and Woodley Park.'Replies: @anonymous
Could you ask it why the Zebra killers didn’t at least get LWOP? Like that other commenter, I don’t want to provide personal info to sign up.
You can brainwash a child into understanding that he must avoid the black part of town while simultaneously believing that all people are created equal.
He can entertain both thoughts without contradiction. When you say ‘all men are created equal’, you’re saying we do not have orders of clergy, nobility, burgesses, and peasants; we all face the same laws.
That’s refinement of a decades old existing technology that meets my “qualitative improvement” threshold, but is very far from “a new technology.””
By that standard practically nothing is a new technology. This wasn’t incremental refinements of an existing technology, like say making a car get slightly better mileage year after year, but a real and important breakthrough.
Yeah, go protest outside the homes of powerful/important people. Don’t mess up the lives of ordinary people trying to get to work/school. That’s asshole behavior.
(It’s also cowardly behavior. These clowns know very well that if they pulled a stunt like this outside the presidential palace or parliament, they would get tear gassed/beaten and arrested.)
It is a bad idea to eat people. The taboo- taboo being a cousin of the stereotype- against cannibalism is based on factors such as transmission of disease, possibility of development of a taste for human flesh disrupting desirable family and social relations, and opening new vulnerability within a society due to the common occurrence of hunger having a readily available food source.
Do not eat people.
(It's also cowardly behavior. These clowns know very well that if they pulled a stunt like this outside the presidential palace or parliament, they would get tear gassed/beaten and arrested.)Replies: @BB753
Climate activism is astroturf. Of course, they won’t bite the hand that feeds them! Who is set to profit from the climate carbon-tax shakedown? It’s not the planet nor ordinary people.
I’d like to see some head-to-head GPT vs bio-AI (peeps), I saw a piece on college students using AI to do homework. How does AI compare to (smart, average, dumb) people (high school students, new hires, pros) on simple (moderately, and very) tasks?
Finally, perhaps subtractive hybridization or post-diction of text would be useful. Train GPT3, and ask it a question. Take 100 Tweeters (ok, it’s Twitter, might take 10,000) and ask them the same question. Then the question becomes, “can we separate dumb or workaday responses from genuinely novel or insightful ones? “post-diction” where GPT calculates the chance that it would have written this text might be really helpful. Presumably, there’s s sweet spot of probability to write something where there’s some novel insight.
Has anyone tried training GPT on valid, soundly-reasoned data vs the whole internet or not-so-well-written, or more importantly, reasoned pieces?
Seems to me that if trading GPT3 on the whole internet and then asking it about the Monty Haul problem, then it could spit out wrong answers more easily than right ones.
Whatever you think of abortion, do you think an AI trained on the whole internet (or even smarter writing) would come up with anything insightful to say about abortion?
Lastly, could GPT3 be taught when to copypasta? Specifically, I saw that GPT3 will make up references when you try to make it do citations for what it writes. Maybe that’s learning from people having done the same, but maybe early programmers saw it spit out a paragraph that’s an exact copy of some piece of training data. For citations, though, making up page numbers is really bad!
Be interesting to see GPT3 participate in brainstorming sessions for advertising, strategy, or product ideation. Maybe see how it does in hypothesis generation compared to scientists. Maybe, more importantly, is what it spits out worth anyone’s time to sort through?
He can entertain both thoughts without contradiction. When you say 'all men are created equal', you're saying we do not have orders of clergy, nobility, burgesses, and peasants; we all face the same laws.Replies: @Veteran Aryan
Yep, me and Hunter, bound by the same laws…
Speaking of which.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1599136365996015616Replies: @Veteran Aryan
You'll find plenty of people in Vermont and New York and Chicago and California with very strong impressions of the South or Southerners they have no right to.Replies: @Fluesterwitz, @Peter Akuleyev, @res, @Corvinus
You’ll find plenty of people in flyover country with very strong impressions of urban folk they have no right to.
The thing is, all this teaching AI to have a liberal bias is for naught. The Chinese aren’t going to be detered by any of this, and they will make a much better AI that . . . well, calls a spade a spade.
If you're not even trying to fix your sociological problem, rather are continuing to make them worse, "our" ML "AI's" may be used to wreck more damage, but they're unlikely to go on woke rampages if asked how to make better jet engines (I keep using that example because it's an archetypal example of the limits of the PRC's system).
And as long as the CCP runs things, using "AIs" to address what it sees as sociological problems ... well, are any of us really sure their "AIs" won't be equally fettered? Any problem who's solution including abolishing or radically changing the Party ... nothing good will come from that, be it punishment of the developers or killing the "AI," Tay will no doubt have company if not already. Much more likely that sort of thing won't be done Officially at all, at least after a few bad experiences.
That’s the artifice in artificial intelligence.
Part of it is teaching, by the choice of the corpus of data that’s fed to the “AI.” The other part it applying fetters to it, preventing it from “speaking its mind: to the very limited extent you could use “mind.”
If you’re not even trying to fix your sociological problem, rather are continuing to make them worse, “our” ML “AI’s” may be used to wreck more damage, but they’re unlikely to go on woke rampages if asked how to make better jet engines (I keep using that example because it’s an archetypal example of the limits of the PRC’s system).
And as long as the CCP runs things, using “AIs” to address what it sees as sociological problems … well, are any of us really sure their “AIs” won’t be equally fettered? Any problem who’s solution including abolishing or radically changing the Party … nothing good will come from that, be it punishment of the developers or killing the “AI,” Tay will no doubt have company if not already. Much more likely that sort of thing won’t be done Officially at all, at least after a few bad experiences.
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1598893351897481216
I like Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Tracey.Replies: @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @ic1000, @Ganderson, @Alec Leamas (working from home), @Bill Jones, @MEH 0910
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1601365060198465538Replies: @MEH 0910
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601007575633305600
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1601042099646128130Replies: @MEH 0910, @Corvinus
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1601365060198465538Replies: @MEH 0910
Yep, me and Hunter, bound by the same laws…
Speaking of which.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1599136365996015616
Speaking of which.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1599136365996015616Replies: @Veteran Aryan
Taibbi is correct. The corrupt FBI had direct evidence of criminal activity but they refused to get involved, choosing instead to hide it. Thanks for pointing that out.
You really can’t read. Taibbi said there’s no proof. At all. Thanks for openly lying.
It was a direct quote from the link that you supplied. You just chose to parse off the last sentence – for obvious reasons, and your typical m.o.
His quote was a Freudian slip. Then he made something up. That’s the deal.
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601007575633305600
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1601042099646128130Replies: @MEH 0910, @Corvinus
Our resident digital Harpo, Twitter is a private company. Their platform, their rules. Which Trump broke. Repeatedly. Besides, he has Truth Social.
Honk, honk!
No, the deal is that you truncated the final sentence because it directly altered the meaning of the previous sentence. You are a dishonest and deceitful weasel, and you’ve been caught at it again.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1605298927104053248Replies: @MEH 0910
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1605298927104053248Replies: @MEH 0910