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I watch Court TV so you don’t have to. The present repertoire consist of two cases presented as complex trials of the century. They are not. Both the trial of the three Georgia crackers for the death of Ahmaud Arbery and the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for 2.5 deaths in Kenosha amount to this: moron tries to take gun from person pointing gun at him, and moron dies. The only non-dog-bites-man aspect of either case is that one moron in the Rittenhouse case sounds like he’s Jewish, a group that usually does not produce morons.

In any case, government has charged the surviving non-morons with first degree murder, when both cases basically represent suicide by moron. Media wing of Media-Democrat Party pretends charges are legitimate, or at least plausible.

Perhaps, if Media wing of Media-Democrat Party told people what both cases really were about, fewer morons would try to commit suicide by taking guns from people pointing guns at them.

As Steve Martin once said, “Nah.”

 
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  1. One of the many notable things about Kyle Rittenhouse is this: He manged to do more in a few minutes to protect the citizenry of the United States than the entire US military managed to do during the span of two conflicts lasting 20 years concurrently.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Mike Tre

    Who controls the U.S. Military?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @The Alarmist
    @Mike Tre

    Rittenhouse demonstrated trigger control and marksmanship under fire and direct assault that has been described by more than a few SpecOps types I know as remarkable.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    , @anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    It is amazing, and really works to his favor in court, that the people who Rittenhouse shot were such degenerate low-lifes that the media has not been able to dig up any old photos that make them look wholesome. That is their go-to playbook, like when they plastered the twelve-year-old Travon Martin all over the news, or now with mid-20s Ahmaud's junior prom photo. You know the networks put an army of reporters and interns on that, but it must be that Rosenbaum never posed for a non-menacing photo in his life.

  2. Looks as though the creep who kidnapped the little girl in Australia is an aborigine. They’re being very careful with photos, but it sure looks that way. Amazing she survived.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @JMcG

    The race of the perp is completely irrelevant in this case. A dingo kidnapped a white girl once and so did an aboriginal.

    Replies: @NickG, @JMcG

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @JMcG

    Hmmm..

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10163195/Cleo-Smith-Terry-Kelly-wrongly-identified-suspected-kidnapper-threatened-SPEARING.html

    EXCLUSIVE: Aboriginal man wrongly identified as Cleo Smith's suspected kidnapper is threatened with SPEARING - as elders hold crisis talks with police over racist backlash fears

  3. Just never know who your new neighbors are

    • Replies: @bomag
    @HammerJack

    Confessed to 14 murders; sentenced to 35 yrs.; served about half of it; was in his old neighborhood in Harlem when shot; 55 yrs old. Seems to have been a midlife/later life crisis where he was getting on the backside of life and was making another run at the juice.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @HammerJack

    Hammer, was he an aspirinug rapper?

    , @Sick of Orcs
    @HammerJack

    He sure looks like a Rodriguez.

    P.S. Kiss Army?

    , @Polistra
    @HammerJack


    Alpo Martinez
     
    Salt of the earth, that one! Stop your snickering, people.

    Alpo's right up there with the legendary Kibbles Castaneda, Iams Velazquez, and—last but not least—who could ever forget Jorge "Gravy Train" Guerrero and of course his notorious gun moll, Purina Fernandez? Show some respect.

  4. government has charged the surviving non-morons with first degree murder, when both cases basically represent suicide by moron. Media wing of Media-Democrat Party pretends charges are legitimate, or at least plausible.

    I don’t disagree, but George Floyd was basically a case of suicide by fentanyl, and Derek Chauvin got convicted of triple murder charges for it. (How does that work, btw, did the jury believe Chauvin revived Floyd and re-killed him twice? Maybe a big brained attorney can explain why the first thing we do is let’s not kill all the lawyers. I mean, this is their system, and they are all sworn agents of the Court.) Plus Chauvin’s facing “civil rights’ (i.e., double—or quaduple?—jeopardy) charges.

    So, tl;dr: total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work. Maybe the right wing should take note so that when the Department of Justice et al. is in their hands, they can get whatever absurd judicial outcome they desire. Oops, I just said the DoJ might not be leftist. As Steve Martin once said, “Nah.”

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @Taco
    @Almost Missouri

    The way Minnesota law treats murder is unique (insane) in at least 2 ways:

    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction

    2) a battery on the victim can be the underlying felony in a felony murder conviction

    I’ve never heard of any other jurisdiction where either of the above is true, and had to double check myself in both instances when I saw it reported that way, as I assumed it was a reporting error.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Almost Missouri, @Ben tillman, @jb

    , @AndrewR
    @Almost Missouri

    The feds already have a federal trial lined up for the Georgia boys if they are acquitted locally.

    As for Chauvin, by any objective standard, his conviction is illegitimate because (among many other reasons) one of the jurors was a black supremacist who blatantly lied during jury selection

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/04/jurors-blm-t-shirt-sparks-concerns-about-derek-chauvin-trial/amp/

    I am pretty sure there are no solutions to our problems which can be legally articulated.

    , @Bill Jones
    @Almost Missouri

    I commented on the Floyd case at the time.
    By convicting him thrice the jurors arranged to have two beyond a reasonable doubt proofs that he is not guilty of every charge.
    1 is disproved by 2 and 3
    2 is disproved by 1 and 3
    3 is disproved by 1 and 2

    remember, 85 is only the average IQ, it's turtles all the way down..

    , @James Forrestal
    @Almost Missouri


    ...George Floyd was basically a case of suicide by fentanyl
     
    Accidental death, specifically from opioid-induced noncardiogenic pulmonary edema, but yeah:

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/has-the-backlash-arrived-for-police-bashing/#comment-4652336

    Also, Negrolphin Pool makes an excellent point in post #109 -- that there is good evidence that the restraint method employed by Chauvin and the other officers was one that was officially endorsed by the MPD -- and that they had been specifically trained in:

    https://i.postimg.cc/y8XJ8g28/MN-BLM-Riots-MPD-Neck-Restraint-Policy.png

    But that policy was implemented at the direction of a Black police chief and a jew mayor -- making it appear to be much more of a case of systemic tribalism than systemic "racism." So any narrative about systemic meanness to Blacks as a cause of the overdose had to be kept at the level of a vague, quasi-metaphysical force operating in a completely indefinable manner, rather than related to the specifics of the Minneapolis power structure.

    This is part of a larger issue -- the overall anti-White narrative based on the Floyd overdose was grossly incoherent. For Chauvin's show trial, he was targeted as an individual with a narrative that amounted to "The evil White supreemist cop, motivated solely by his own hatred for the color of the skin, crushed the frail [6'3", 230 lb.] Negro to death with with the massive weight of his [5'9", 150 lb.] frame by kneeling on his shoulder." Yet at the same time, the overdose was supposed to have resulted from "systemic White supreeemism" or some such nonsense. Well -- which was it? An individual bad goy? Or a systemic issue?
  5. • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Why is no one mentioning Sines v. Kessler, the frivolous lawsuit against Unite the Right organizers?

  6. At least two of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jews, and one of the Jews he shot was previously convicted of raping young boys, and had spent time in prison for his heinous crimes. I believe all three had criminal records, another for spousal abuse, but I don’t have all the facts in front of me, and given the sad state of our judicial system, gathering all the facts makes little difference in the end.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @NoOneImportant

    Getting the true facts out can and did win out in the end in the Trayvon Martin and Ferguson MO racial hate crime hoaxes.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @NoOneImportant


    At least two of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jews,

     

    Name them.
    , @duncsbaby
    @NoOneImportant

    None of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jewish. Stop w/the lying and/or idiocy.

  7. There is one more, a civil trial only, that is going on too. That is the effort of the Charlottesville Establishment to rub salt into the wounds of the “Unite the Right” crowd by suing them for some BS reasons over their having had the gall to stand up and defend the statue of Robert E. Lee 4 years back. (It was finally removed a couple of months ago, as expected.)

    Here’s the common thread among all of them. The ctrl-left Establishment wants to scare Conservative Americans away from doing anything to defend their culture, their property, and even themselves! That is the case for Charlottesville, Brunswick, and Kenosha, respectively, with Kyle Rittenhouse having been a defender of both property and his life.

    Hey Kyle, nice shooting!

    I stand with Kyle. Let’s go, Brandon Fuck Joe Biden!

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else's property, and the building(s) he was "protecting" also belonged to others. His life, yes, his own. As the Macho Man said, "unjustifiably in a position I'd rather not be in..." Good luck to Kyle and his lawyers. Hopefully, "the cream will rise to the top."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Pericles, @NOTA

    , @James Forrestal
    @Achmed E. Newman


    There is one more, a civil trial only, that is going on too. That is the effort of the Charlottesville Establishment to rub salt into the wounds of the “Unite the Right” crowd by suing them for some BS reasons over their having had the gall to stand up and defend the statue of Robert E. Lee 4 years back.
     
    Is it really the "Charlottesville establishment" that is conducting this combination lawfare/ propaganda attack on the peaceful protesters? I don't think Roberta Kaplan lives in Charlottesville.

    Let's see what the Jewish Daily Forward has to say about the show trial:

    https://i.postimg.cc/WzsN41T4/2021-Show-Trial-jews-Forward.png

    When the trial of two dozen [so-called] "neo-Nazis" begins in Charlottesville on Monday, Jews will be watching closely. And two Jewish women will lead the "prosecution."

    The two lead attorneys in the federal civil case are Roberta Kaplan and Karen Dunn, whose work is supported by Integrity First for America, a "civil rights" group led by another Jewish woman, Amy Spitalnick.

    They're even going to roll out one of the high priestesses of Holocaustianity -- the long-discredited semitic supremacist shill Deborah Lipstadt. It's not yet clear whether she will accuse the peaceful protesters of utilizing steam rooms, electric floors, or merely fumigant insecticides in defending themselves against unprovoked attacks by the hate-crazed mob of anti-Whites, but shrunken heads and lampshades are sure to play a prominent role in her narrative.

    There's a lot of truth to the old saying that toxic semitism and virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred are just two sides of the same shekel -- as Spitlanick openly admits in this piece.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Achmed E. Newman

  8. The blacks are angry! They wanted more blacketty blacks on the Kyle jury,so,obviously, it would be a sure thing to find his white ass guilty.
    Blacks shouldn’t be on juries;they have clearly and openly rejected our justice system.

    • Agree: AR in Illinois
    • Replies: @Fhjjjkjcdddbb
    @Father O'Hara

    Yes, blacks are crying foul in the arbery trial, claiming racism for barring racist blacks from serving on the jury just because they presume the defendants guilty by reason of whiteness.

    , @AceDeuce
    @Father O'Hara


    Blacks shouldn’t be on juries;they have clearly and openly rejected our justice system.
     
    They've "clearly and openly rejected" a hell of a lot more than just that--forget juries-they shouldn't be in this country.
  9. The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.

    I petition that Kenosha erect a statue of Kyle when this whole thing is over, maybe even rename the local high school after him. Rittenhouse High has a nice ring to it!

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Rooster111

    The left doesn't want anyone fighting back.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Rooster111


    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.
     
    I would guess the latter among your reasons, they pretty much own "the streets" and with near completely legal immunity unless they too kill someone which is still a step too far for our legal authorities. Although I've read of another exception to this principle when a group traveling to the D.C. for the riots against Trump/the White House stopped in some small-ish Pennsylvania town and got return fire when they tried their usual antics.

    No one killed in that, though, whereas here we have another "special victim" who's supposed to be off limits, an convicted pedophile Jew, and literally true, boys as young as five. Also a literally crazy guy who initiated more than a little violence in Kenosha, and we've learned just now from FBI surveillance (which they "lost" the high resolution copy of) actually set up a genuine ambush of Rittenhouse who he'd previously threatened. Although the latter probably wasn't anything personal, Joseph Rosenbaum was verbally out of control, was filmed during the day demanding the civilians with guns kill him, for instance.

    He's not turning out to be a sympathetic "victim," not that the jury is being allowed to learn much of that. The prosecution tried really hard to step on its [redacted] in a couple of things they brought up about him, that he'd just been released from the hospital, and something about being there that night because of his girlfriend. That hospital visit was in the psych ward, and his "girlfriend" had a restraining order on him, not sure he had a place to stay in the city.
    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Rooster111


    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.
     
    The 2020 Summer Riots were, in their minds, righteous expressions (some call them "uprisings") and clear threat displays made with the intent of showing their adversaries that their violence is above the law. They demonstrated that the powers that be would not hesitate to loose street thugs on their adversaries and would withdraw police protection.

    But Rittenhouse represents something that weighs on their minds in their constant insurgency against Americans. Rittenhouse is proof of concept - there are literally tens of millions of rifles and hundreds of millions of cartridges in the hands of their adversaries, many of whom are combat veterans of the elites' meat-grinder foreign wars of adventure. One literal cherub-faced boy with a rifle turned back a pack of their street paramilitaries who were in the process of lynching him. Imagine what ten trained and experienced men with rifles could have done. They want to lynch Rittenhouse now by corrupting the law because they're pissed that he blew up their intimidation display in under a minute. They have to get him pour encourager les autres.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  10. Rosenberg, the first dope shot by Rittenhouse, was a terrible person. A pedophile who got out of the hospital the day of the shooting for attempting suicide. The jews produce lots and lots of terrible people. The most likely reason for his behavior was he wanted to die and committed suicide by attacking a guy with an AR. The other two were both Darwin award contestants.

    Interesting piece about Kenosha mayor and his many family members in government
    https://kenoshacountyeye.com/2021/11/02/opinion-kenosha-mayor-who-let-city-burn-has-surrogate-in-rittenhouse-courtroom/

  11. The only actual offense committed by Mr Rittenhouse appears to be possession of a deadly weapon by a person under the age of 18. That is a juvenile offense by definition.

    There was a case in Chicago, perhaps when Steve was living there, in which a young woman was raped, perhaps even murdered, in her apartment. Her roommate arrived a tad too late but was able to shoot and hit the perpetrator. (Again, not sure if fatally.)

    The authorities did not prosecute her, even though simple possession of a handgun was a felony in the city at the time. I remember thinking this was rather hypocritical of the city; nothing but a PR move. What about her “victims”? Don’t they deserve consideration?

    This shooter, unlike Brother Kyle, was an adult.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Reg Cæsar


    The only actual offense committed by Mr Rittenhouse appears to be possession of a deadly weapon by a person under the age of 18. That is a juvenile offense by definition.
     
    Well, ackchyually, it appears that the text of the Wisconsin statute only makes illegal possession of a rifle or shotgun by a person under 18 of they're in violation of hunting permit regulations or are in possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle or shotgun. The law may have been drafted badly. But if that charge isn't dismissed by the judge, any conviction should be overturned on appeal.

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c

    , @Eric Novak
    @Reg Cæsar

    Chicago seldom pursued charges for possession or use of a firearm in self-defense when the holder of the firearm or the victim was a non-felon, for fear of the case being contested in federal court. My father carried a revolver with him in the 1960s and ‘70s as a driver for the CTA (Chicago Transit Authority). Cops were in regular and close contact with transportation workers in that era of ridiculously high crime and advised them of their policy on firearms, which was to look the other way.

  12. First lets have clarity. Joggers and the like are sacred, and racial redeemers of the original sin of beta male Whiteness. The accused in the jogger case are icky White males, and so are by definition guilty. All and every black male has a sacred right to break into your house and do what he wants. This is the law, already. And I am not kidding either. White people and in particular White men are third class serfs, viewed as genetically evil, and with hereditary blood guilt. Period. Those defendants will be found guilty and sentenced to the max as we are a nation of feelz not laws.

    Second, Anti-Fa are the armed, paramilitary wing of the media and Democrats. They have absolute authority to do whatever they want to anyone at any time. Even cops, even Feds. Feds know this. They don’t mess with Anti-Fa any more than German cops messed with the SA then SS in Third Reich. Same thing. That is the law.

    Kyle Rittenhouse is a literal boy scout who was on film for hours before the shooting, scrubbing off graffiti, rendering first aid, picking up trash. He was chased and assaulted and shot as he fled for using a fire extinguisher to put out a dumpster the Anti Fa SS set on fire and rolled towards a Gas Station. Police did not want to arrest him initially.

    He will however slam dunk be convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Guaranteed. His Defense attorney predictably threw the case when he prevented the jury selection consultants from participating, and accepted a tainted jury pool that polling suggests believes around 85% Rittenhouse guilty. The attorney has to practice law, what does he care about Rittenhouse much less winning? He will be on TV and that’s all that counts.

    We are about 15 minutes into the future from the logical conclusion: “cut down all the tall trees.” That’s it. Our culture, our society, our leadership, our entertainment, and our religion of sacred racially redeeming blacks from beta male Whiteness, all lead down that path. Rittenhouse is doomed because he did not accept or understand that reality, he will likely be fatally shivved six months into his life sentence because he thought this was America instead of what it is. Understand you as a White male exist now solely on sufferance of your masters who really hate you and want you dead. Avoid being noticed at all costs. Your skin color is not just your uniform but your innate guilt before your masters.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Whiskey

    Very good statement of the pessimistic case. And the Chauvin trial has already vindicated it. I wish I could be more optimistic about Rittenhouse and Georgia, but I'm not.

    , @Lyov Myshkin
    @Whiskey

    I'll add a white pill even though I generally agree with your statement. Richards who is kyle's attorney did well in cross examination of the Daily Caller journalist who was the closest witness to the shooting and the witness himself was very strong when faced with the DA's questions. A few things were established beyond doubt: Kyle had previously interacted peacefully with protesters and offered medical assistance and that Rosenbaum without any doubt for the witness had chased the defendant, screamed an expletive and 'lunged' for his weapon. The DA tried his best to create some ambivalence to the situation but McGinnis stayed strong.

    That right there is self-defense. I think he's going to be OK.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

  13. They will both be found guilty because they broke the law and caused situations of death.

    The tears of racists and fascists will be delicious?

    • Troll: AR in Illinois
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Good news everyone! Tiny Duck remembered his email address for Ebony Obelisk!

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @Adam Smith
    @Ebony Obelisk

    "situations of death..."

    Lol...

  14. @Almost Missouri

    government has charged the surviving non-morons with first degree murder, when both cases basically represent suicide by moron. Media wing of Media-Democrat Party pretends charges are legitimate, or at least plausible.
     
    I don't disagree, but George Floyd was basically a case of suicide by fentanyl, and Derek Chauvin got convicted of triple murder charges for it. (How does that work, btw, did the jury believe Chauvin revived Floyd and re-killed him twice? Maybe a big brained attorney can explain why the first thing we do is let's not kill all the lawyers. I mean, this is their system, and they are all sworn agents of the Court.) Plus Chauvin's facing "civil rights' (i.e., double—or quaduple?—jeopardy) charges.

    So, tl;dr: total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work. Maybe the right wing should take note so that when the Department of Justice et al. is in their hands, they can get whatever absurd judicial outcome they desire. Oops, I just said the DoJ might not be leftist. As Steve Martin once said, “Nah.”

    Replies: @Taco, @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @James Forrestal

    The way Minnesota law treats murder is unique (insane) in at least 2 ways:

    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction

    2) a battery on the victim can be the underlying felony in a felony murder conviction

    I’ve never heard of any other jurisdiction where either of the above is true, and had to double check myself in both instances when I saw it reported that way, as I assumed it was a reporting error.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    @Taco


    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction
     
    It was certainly weird that Chauvin could be found guilty of separate charges of manslaughter, 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree murder. In some other jurisdictions these verdicts would be mutually exclusive.

    Replies: @Taco

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Taco

    Thanks, that is news to me. But still I must persist. There are lots of quirky local legal customs and incompetently drafted laws, yet prosecutors manage to sidestep them and proceed on a logical common sense basis whenever they please, yet in all these cases (Rittenhouse, Georgia, Chauvin) the prosecutors are leaning into the insane and rotten aspects of the local laws.

    None of these trials should have happened. Having happened, none of them should have been charged as they were. Having been charged, none of them should be (should have been) convicted as charged. But Chauvin got the maximum convictions, and it's not looking too good for the others.

    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alice in Wonderland, @Negrolphin Pool

    , @Ben tillman
    @Taco

    Georgia doesn’t follow the mergeevrule either.

    , @jb
    @Taco

    Yeah, while I have problems with a "murder" charge when the death was clearly unintentional, when I read the jury instructions it clear that all that was necessary here was that the defendant have committed some sort of felony (in this case battery) that contributed to (i.e., was not necessarily the sole cause of) the death of the victim.

    A lot of people here are grimly determined to believe that the sole cause of Floyd's death was fentanyl, but it's not at all clear to me that this is true. And frankly I don't have a lot of sympathy for a cop who continues kneeling on someone's neck three minutes after his partner says he can't find a pulse. So while I have a huge problem with the way this case has been used politically, I don't really have a problem with the verdict itself.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

  15. The only actual offense committed by Mr Rittenhouse appears to be possession of a deadly weapon by a person under the age of 18.

    And even that’s murky–Wisconsin hunting laws allow minors to use long guns sometimes or something. He definitely didn’t carry the gun across state lines, like Karen Nation keeps squawking.

  16. one moron in the Rittenhouse case sounds like he’s Jewish, a group that usually does not produce morons.

    Jews produce plenty of morons. Just a different kind of moron.

    What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish? Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz – all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren’t. It’s Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Wilkey

    "What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish?"
    Maybe the Marxism.

    , @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means "Great Cross".

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Ron Mexico, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Wilkey


    Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black.
     
    We may speculate about Rittenhouse's luck, but the remarkable thing (totally unremarked in the mainstream media of course) is that Rittenhouse shot three people at the riot and hit three sex offenders. What are the odds? Well, in order to have even odds of hitting three out of three sex offenders within a group, that group would have to consist of about 80% sex offenders.

    Now Kyle wasn't shooting at random, black style, rather he only shot men who assaulted him. And it may be that sex offenders are by nature more likely to commit assaults than other people are as well. So if we assume that sex offenders are twice as likely to assault for any reason as "normal" rioters are, then we only have to conclude that the crowd of rioters likely consisted of 40% sex offenders instead of 80% sex offenders. (Of course, that still leaves the other 60% of rioters as literally sex offender-adjacent!)

    Replies: @International Jew, @Wilkey

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz – all are German names.
     
    As are those other Wisconsin notables, Gein and Dahmer!

    Huber may be Swiss-German. The Hoovers were originally Hubers.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Wilkey


    Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz – all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren’t. It’s Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

     

    Yes, exactly, but a lot of people were saying that Rosenbaum was Jewish because they are idiots, and they are obsessed. You can find a few here. One guy is claiming "Grosskreutz" is Jewish. Rosenbaum was originally from Texas, where a lot of Germans moved before the CW, by the way. He was definitely not Jewish, unless pastors preside over Jewish funerals.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.
     
    That's right - there's a guy named "Jump Kick Guy" (that is how he is referred to in court) who looks to me as if he might be black. He jump-kicked Kyle and the kid got off a shot at him but thankfully missed.

    Even so, some creep named Cortez Rice who claims to be related to Saint George put something up on FB threatening the jurors. He took it down, but it's on Odysee and all over the net now. So, even if it's not up there with the trial of Daunte Wright, it's on the radar.

    We have that to look forward to.

  17. Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.

    This kid, like Chauvin, will be sacrificed to gods of Wokeness, like the innocents on the top of Aztec pyramid.

    This is all beyond awful

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    "Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse."

    Rittenhouse is currently being tried on state charges. Trump only has the power to pardon with respect to federal charges. I suppose Trump could have issued a pre-emptive pardon against possible future federal charges but that would have been a concession that he might not be reelected.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia


    Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.
     
    That would only apply to federal charges, anyway.
    , @Gordo
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Who Trump pardoned and who he didn't is a big clue to who he really is.

    , @Half Canadian
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Kyle will not be found guilty. The whole case will fall apart.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman
    There is one more, a civil trial only, that is going on too. That is the effort of the Charlottesville Establishment to rub salt into the wounds of the "Unite the Right" crowd by suing them for some BS reasons over their having had the gall to stand up and defend the statue of Robert E. Lee 4 years back. (It was finally removed a couple of months ago, as expected.)

    Here's the common thread among all of them. The ctrl-left Establishment wants to scare Conservative Americans away from doing anything to defend their culture, their property, and even themselves! That is the case for Charlottesville, Brunswick, and Kenosha, respectively, with Kyle Rittenhouse having been a defender of both property and his life.

    Hey Kyle, nice shooting!

    I stand with Kyle. Let's go, Brandon Fuck Joe Biden!

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @James Forrestal

    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else’s property, and the building(s) he was “protecting” also belonged to others. His life, yes, his own. As the Macho Man said, “unjustifiably in a position I’d rather not be in…” Good luck to Kyle and his lawyers. Hopefully, “the cream will rise to the top.”

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Ron Mexico

    The state wasn't doing its job so private citizens had to step in. The dealership had suffered $1.5 million dollars worth of damage the night before. That is more money than most of Kyle's critics will earn acquire in a lifetime.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Ron Mexico


    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else’s property, and the building(s) he was “protecting” also belonged to others.
     
    That would make his actions more noble. Civil, rather than self-defense.

    What I feared most as a city bus rider wasn't being attacked, but being forced to sit helplessly when someone else was. Had I had to take the sketchier routes more often, I'd've followed through with getting a carry permit.
    , @Pericles
    @Ron Mexico

    The surviving antifa ought to be charged with attempted murder.

    , @NOTA
    @Ron Mexico

    Rittenhouse seems to have shot those guys in self defense, but I suspect he made the common mistake of letting a gun make him willing to get himself into dangerous situations he'd normally have avoided. I think the same is probably true of George Zimmerman--legit self-defense shooting but better judgement ahead of time might have avoided the whole clusterfuck.

    If carrying a gun makes you take bigger risks than you would without it, there's a good chance you're making yourself *less* safe by carrying it. Once you are in a position to shoot someone in self-defense, things have already gone massively, disasterously wrong. The gun is just the piece of emergency equipment you're using to try to salvage something from the wreckage.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Achmed E. Newman, @bomag

  19. As for Rosenbaum being Jewish, he ain’t. Here’s a repost of my comment in the previous thread:

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    Rosenbaum met his biological father only twice and reported that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather on an almost daily basis. When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and meth. Rosenbaum spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation committed on 5 preteen boys when he was 18. He struggled with mental illness. He was homeless on the night he was shot. Earlier that day, he was discharged from a mental hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months. He was still carrying the plastic bag with a stick of deodorant, underwear and socks that they give you when you are discharged – those were his worldly possession. Earlier that day, he visited his “fiancee”*, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. (What are the chances that he didn’t stay long enough to have sex with her?) She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

    * Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy. Rosenbaum also had a child with a different woman.
    Sometimes humans are like lemon automobiles – they come with such serious factory defects that the best thing to do is to recycle them and start over.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy.
     
    Most incels could probably find someone willing to date them. Incels just tend to prefer women who are out of their league. They have higher standards than violent thugs.

    Most women that violent thugs attract aren't women you or I - or your average incel - would be much interested in. Thugs also get women because they can be fun to be around. That's easy to do when you don't have a job.

    Replies: @Trinity, @AndrewR

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.
     
    The prosecutor is trying to depict the deceased thugs who attacked Rittenhouse as white George Floyds murdered by a racist Nazi (i.e. Rittenhouse). This disingenuous shyster's problem is that the departed are the wrong skin color. And Rittenhouse was a minor rather than a seasoned veteran of the police force.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D

    The problem with the prosecutor's case? Black Low-lives Matter. White low-lives? Not so much. It's at the point where progressives are having to put gun rights on trial, rather than the fairly sympathetic defendant, who's like Luke Skywalker in jeans with AR-15 in hand rather than the jezail-lookalike weapon shown in the movies.

    , @Redmen
    @Jack D

    None of this information about Rosenbaum will be admissible at Rittenhouse's trial. But Jeffrey Toobin is upset that the prosecution can't call Rosenbaum a "victim."

    Replies: @Patrick McNally, @David In TN, @Paperback Writer

    , @Couch scientist
    @Jack D

    Also, it appears that Regina Rosenbaum was pregnant with Joseph when she testified at the trial of the alleged Lake Waco murderer, David Spence.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lake_Waco_murders

    There was allegedly a lot funny business in that prosecution, including that jail house snitches were allegedly given conjugal visits in return for their testimony.

    https://www.crimewatchers.net/threads/1982-lake-waco-murders.211/

    Lots of questions come to mind. Who is Joseph Rosenbaum's biological father? Who got conjugal visits? What was Regina Rosenbaum doing in the alleged killer's apartment and why would he confess to her?

    https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1266438.html



    A few weeks after the murders, he told Regina Ann Rosenbaum and others present in his apartment that he had taken some girls to Lake Waco and raped them;  no other similar crime was reported to police.
     
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Jack D


    Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy
     
    I think you've got the causation backwards. Whatever else you can say about guys like Rosenbaum, they aren't picky. They're realistic when it comes to one thing: getting laid. They'll go with any tatted, addicted, slut. Incels are picky and unrealistic.

    That said, there is something to the stereotype of the sexy badass. The first guy to shoot a gun that night, which started the entire chain of events was Joshua Ziminski.

    Steve once asked whether there were white Jacob Blakes. Ziminski is.

    Mid-30s, five kids from two or three baby mamas, 6'5", 200 lbs, in and out of trouble most of his adult life, dozens of arrests. I don't know what a guy with his record (it's online somewhere) was doing walking the streets. In any case, he doesn't seem to lack for female companionship.

  20. @Wilkey

    one moron in the Rittenhouse case sounds like he’s Jewish, a group that usually does not produce morons.
     
    Jews produce plenty of morons. Just a different kind of moron.

    What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish? Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz - all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren't. It's Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    “What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish?”
    Maybe the Marxism.

  21. @Reg Cæsar
    The only actual offense committed by Mr Rittenhouse appears to be possession of a deadly weapon by a person under the age of 18. That is a juvenile offense by definition.

    There was a case in Chicago, perhaps when Steve was living there, in which a young woman was raped, perhaps even murdered, in her apartment. Her roommate arrived a tad too late but was able to shoot and hit the perpetrator. (Again, not sure if fatally.)

    The authorities did not prosecute her, even though simple possession of a handgun was a felony in the city at the time. I remember thinking this was rather hypocritical of the city; nothing but a PR move. What about her "victims"? Don't they deserve consideration?

    This shooter, unlike Brother Kyle, was an adult.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Eric Novak

    The only actual offense committed by Mr Rittenhouse appears to be possession of a deadly weapon by a person under the age of 18. That is a juvenile offense by definition.

    Well, ackchyually, it appears that the text of the Wisconsin statute only makes illegal possession of a rifle or shotgun by a person under 18 of they’re in violation of hunting permit regulations or are in possession of an unregistered short-barreled rifle or shotgun. The law may have been drafted badly. But if that charge isn’t dismissed by the judge, any conviction should be overturned on appeal.

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/3/c

  22. @Wilkey

    one moron in the Rittenhouse case sounds like he’s Jewish, a group that usually does not produce morons.
     
    Jews produce plenty of morons. Just a different kind of moron.

    What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish? Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz - all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren't. It's Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means “Great Cross”.

    • LOL: Wilkey
    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
    @Jack D

    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is "No Jew would take the name 'Great Cross'," I would reply that, um, what part of "crypsis" don't you understand?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Jack D

    "Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news."
    They ain't got shit on Gab posters.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jack D


    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means “Great Cross”.
     
    Noel Ignatiev means "Christmas, son of Loyola". .דרעק כאַפּאַנז

    Lawrence Auster teased Jared Taylor and Samuel Francis that he, not they, bore the name of a Christian saint. Taylor is Samuel Jared, so he's doubly Hebrew.
    , @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Here's how I read the is-Jewish probabilities:

    Rosenbaum 90%
    Grosskreutz 5%
    Huber 1%
    Rittenhouse 10%

    Replies: @Jack D, @Fhjjjkjcdddbb, @Mayfield Ave

    , @Shh he kjfdfgjk
    @Jack D

    David Cross is a mega-Jew.

  23. @Jack D
    As for Rosenbaum being Jewish, he ain't. Here's a repost of my comment in the previous thread:

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    Rosenbaum met his biological father only twice and reported that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather on an almost daily basis. When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and meth. Rosenbaum spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation committed on 5 preteen boys when he was 18. He struggled with mental illness. He was homeless on the night he was shot. Earlier that day, he was discharged from a mental hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months. He was still carrying the plastic bag with a stick of deodorant, underwear and socks that they give you when you are discharged – those were his worldly possession. Earlier that day, he visited his “fiancee”*, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. (What are the chances that he didn't stay long enough to have sex with her?) She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

    * Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy. Rosenbaum also had a child with a different woman.

    https://static.miraheze.org/reallifevillainswiki/f/f0/Josephrosenbaum.jpg
    Sometimes humans are like lemon automobiles – they come with such serious factory defects that the best thing to do is to recycle them and start over.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Johann Ricke, @Johann Ricke, @Redmen, @Couch scientist, @Paperback Writer

    Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy.

    Most incels could probably find someone willing to date them. Incels just tend to prefer women who are out of their league. They have higher standards than violent thugs.

    Most women that violent thugs attract aren’t women you or I – or your average incel – would be much interested in. Thugs also get women because they can be fun to be around. That’s easy to do when you don’t have a job.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Wilkey

    Ever see how ugly Jake LaMotta was when he was alive. Ever see one of his wives named Vicki LaMotta. Talk about beauty and the beast. Not that I think Madonna is good looking, I rate her a 5 in her prime, but lots of people thought she was somewhat attractive. While she was visiting Sean Penn in jail she happened on snaggled tooth and rotten mouthed Richard Ramirez being housed in the same protective unit as Penn. Madonna asked Penn who was the guy ( Ramirez) just down the hall, she said that Richard was extremely attractive. Ever see some of the women former middleweight Carlos Monzon slept with? Monzon looked like a cross between Jack Palance and Charles Bronson, not butt ugly like LaMotta but not exactly handsome in the classic sense. Some of Monzon's conquest included Ursula Andrees. Monzon would be convicted of murder when he threw his then girlfriend Alicia Muniz off a second story balcony. Muniz was yet another attractive woman that Monzon had attracted. With Monzon and LaMotta, maybe it had more to do with fame and money, but Madonna had no idea who Ramirez was at the time. There are definitely some women who are attracted to bad boys out there.

    , @AndrewR
    @Wilkey

    I would say it's highly debateable if moat incels have unrealistically high standards. I imagine most of them would be satisfied with an average-looking, normal-weight girl.

    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won't even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7. A big problem is that many top-tier guys will slum it and sleep with average or even below average girls, then these girls start thinking that they can get a top-tier man to commit to them, as if most men don't have very different standards for whom they'll sleep with vs whom they'll commit to.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Catdog

  24. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means "Great Cross".

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Ron Mexico, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is “No Jew would take the name ‘Great Cross’,” I would reply that, um, what part of “crypsis” don’t you understand?

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @James J O'Meara


    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is “No Jew would take the name ‘Great Cross’,” I would reply that, um, what part of “crypsis” don’t you understand?
     
    If the deceased were Jewish in any form or fashion, the prosecutor would play up the anti-semite angle. Not quite as good as what he could drum up if they were black, but far better than nothing, which is what he's got because they're just plain vanilla, non-black, non-Jewish, non-POC thugs.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @James J O'Meara


    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is “No Jew would take the name ‘Great Cross’,” I would reply that, um, what part of “crypsis” don’t you understand?

     

    Friends, Romans, countrymen, you have to be nuts to say this. Not just any old "Jews have too much power" type, but nuts.

    Listen, buddy, when us Jews do the assimilation thing, they take what they think are non-ethnic names, or they shorten Friedenberg to Fried. They don't take names like "Großkreutz," which is about as Aryan as they come.

    Dumb, dumb, dumb. C'mon man, up your game. You're giving anti-Semitism a bad image.
  25. I think Rittenhouse has a much more clear cut case of self defense than the Georgia boys, although apparently Georgia had a law (since repealed) allowing citizens arrests. Still, they used pretty dubious means of attempting the arrest. Aubrey, not the brightest bulb on the tree, grabbed the shotgun and took a slug in his midsection. Kyle was chased and attacked, giving him the right to defend himself.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Dan

    I'm no lawyer but I don't think any reasonable person could think that the Georgia guys had any desire to kill Arbery. They brought the guns for defense the same way a cop does. 99.99% of interactions between cops and citizens end peacefully. Arbery would unquestionably be alive if he had just surrendered and waited for the cops instead of committing suicide by good ol' boy.

    Replies: @Anon, @David In TN, @V. Hickel

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Dan


    Aubrey, not the brightest bulb on the tree
     
    It's worse than that, he'd been diagnosed as being on the schizophrenic spectrum and wasn't taking his (nasty) meds, and was high on marijuana (which I'll note has a strong enough association with schizophrenia people shouldn't casually use it). All that and more can be found at one of the best sources for both trials, self-defense specialist and advocate lawyer Andrew Branca at Legal Insurrection, for example the above I confirmed in his "Ahmaud Arbery Case: Seven Facts the Jury Will (Probably) Never Hear."

    His current take on the cases is that the defense lawyers in that case a preparing for an appeal, the judge is for example biased and the jury pool irredeemably tainted. But while you can never predict juries, and some of them are specifically worried about rendering the "wrong" verdict, the Rittenhouse case is going well, like in the Zimmerman case the prosecution simply doesn't have a case.
  26. Let’s see a murder trial, with a gun enhancement, from New Mexico. No, not that one. This one.

  27. @Jack D
    As for Rosenbaum being Jewish, he ain't. Here's a repost of my comment in the previous thread:

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    Rosenbaum met his biological father only twice and reported that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather on an almost daily basis. When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and meth. Rosenbaum spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation committed on 5 preteen boys when he was 18. He struggled with mental illness. He was homeless on the night he was shot. Earlier that day, he was discharged from a mental hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months. He was still carrying the plastic bag with a stick of deodorant, underwear and socks that they give you when you are discharged – those were his worldly possession. Earlier that day, he visited his “fiancee”*, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. (What are the chances that he didn't stay long enough to have sex with her?) She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

    * Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy. Rosenbaum also had a child with a different woman.

    https://static.miraheze.org/reallifevillainswiki/f/f0/Josephrosenbaum.jpg
    Sometimes humans are like lemon automobiles – they come with such serious factory defects that the best thing to do is to recycle them and start over.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Johann Ricke, @Johann Ricke, @Redmen, @Couch scientist, @Paperback Writer

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    The prosecutor is trying to depict the deceased thugs who attacked Rittenhouse as white George Floyds murdered by a racist Nazi (i.e. Rittenhouse). This disingenuous shyster’s problem is that the departed are the wrong skin color. And Rittenhouse was a minor rather than a seasoned veteran of the police force.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Johann Ricke

    Plus they sound like guys you would see manning Tiger tank turrets in movies.

  28. @Wilkey

    one moron in the Rittenhouse case sounds like he’s Jewish, a group that usually does not produce morons.
     
    Jews produce plenty of morons. Just a different kind of moron.

    What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish? Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz - all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren't. It's Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black.

    We may speculate about Rittenhouse’s luck, but the remarkable thing (totally unremarked in the mainstream media of course) is that Rittenhouse shot three people at the riot and hit three sex offenders. What are the odds? Well, in order to have even odds of hitting three out of three sex offenders within a group, that group would have to consist of about 80% sex offenders.

    Now Kyle wasn’t shooting at random, black style, rather he only shot men who assaulted him. And it may be that sex offenders are by nature more likely to commit assaults than other people are as well. So if we assume that sex offenders are twice as likely to assault for any reason as “normal” rioters are, then we only have to conclude that the crowd of rioters likely consisted of 40% sex offenders instead of 80% sex offenders. (Of course, that still leaves the other 60% of rioters as literally sex offender-adjacent!)

    • Agree: Gordo, TWS
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri

    Maybe the sex offenders were attracted to Rittenhouse's cherubic face? But 3 for 3 would be pretty remarkable even so.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Wilkey
    @Almost Missouri

    According to Snopes, only Rosenbaum was a sex offender. Of course Snopes is incredibly biased, and you have to read through about 1,500 words of editorializing bullshit before getting to the part where it grudgingly acknowledges their criminal records. Huber had attempted to strangle his brother and held his brother and grandmother at knifepoint, but no sex offenses. Grosskreutz’s most serious infraction was a firearms offense while intoxicated.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  29. @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy.
     
    Most incels could probably find someone willing to date them. Incels just tend to prefer women who are out of their league. They have higher standards than violent thugs.

    Most women that violent thugs attract aren't women you or I - or your average incel - would be much interested in. Thugs also get women because they can be fun to be around. That's easy to do when you don't have a job.

    Replies: @Trinity, @AndrewR

    Ever see how ugly Jake LaMotta was when he was alive. Ever see one of his wives named Vicki LaMotta. Talk about beauty and the beast. Not that I think Madonna is good looking, I rate her a 5 in her prime, but lots of people thought she was somewhat attractive. While she was visiting Sean Penn in jail she happened on snaggled tooth and rotten mouthed Richard Ramirez being housed in the same protective unit as Penn. Madonna asked Penn who was the guy ( Ramirez) just down the hall, she said that Richard was extremely attractive. Ever see some of the women former middleweight Carlos Monzon slept with? Monzon looked like a cross between Jack Palance and Charles Bronson, not butt ugly like LaMotta but not exactly handsome in the classic sense. Some of Monzon’s conquest included Ursula Andrees. Monzon would be convicted of murder when he threw his then girlfriend Alicia Muniz off a second story balcony. Muniz was yet another attractive woman that Monzon had attracted. With Monzon and LaMotta, maybe it had more to do with fame and money, but Madonna had no idea who Ramirez was at the time. There are definitely some women who are attracted to bad boys out there.

  30. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means "Great Cross".

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Ron Mexico, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    “Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news.”
    They ain’t got shit on Gab posters.

  31. On Tuesday’s ABC Nightly News anchor David Muir described Kyle as an 18-year-old gunman (of course, he was 17 at the time, but, whatever) who, get this,’crossed state line’. I had hoped the day would never come when a major network was reduced to using talking points from The Young Turks, but, alas, my hopes have been dashed.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    @Rouetheday

    If the media were consistent they would be showing photos of Kyle Rittenhouse at age 14 the way they did with Trayvon Martin.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Anonymous

  32. @Jack D
    As for Rosenbaum being Jewish, he ain't. Here's a repost of my comment in the previous thread:

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    Rosenbaum met his biological father only twice and reported that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather on an almost daily basis. When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and meth. Rosenbaum spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation committed on 5 preteen boys when he was 18. He struggled with mental illness. He was homeless on the night he was shot. Earlier that day, he was discharged from a mental hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months. He was still carrying the plastic bag with a stick of deodorant, underwear and socks that they give you when you are discharged – those were his worldly possession. Earlier that day, he visited his “fiancee”*, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. (What are the chances that he didn't stay long enough to have sex with her?) She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

    * Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy. Rosenbaum also had a child with a different woman.

    https://static.miraheze.org/reallifevillainswiki/f/f0/Josephrosenbaum.jpg
    Sometimes humans are like lemon automobiles – they come with such serious factory defects that the best thing to do is to recycle them and start over.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Johann Ricke, @Johann Ricke, @Redmen, @Couch scientist, @Paperback Writer

    The problem with the prosecutor’s case? Black Low-lives Matter. White low-lives? Not so much. It’s at the point where progressives are having to put gun rights on trial, rather than the fairly sympathetic defendant, who’s like Luke Skywalker in jeans with AR-15 in hand rather than the jezail-lookalike weapon shown in the movies.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  33. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:

    The media is portraying citizen’s arrest as some sort of weird outdated anti-slave law like heresy or buggery that the Georgia defendants’ lawyers have somehow dug up, and which Georgia has now repealed. The term “citizen’s arrest” is never used, nor the fact that most states (including New York) and nations have had such laws for centuries.

    • Thanks: TruthRevolution.net
  34. @JMcG
    Looks as though the creep who kidnapped the little girl in Australia is an aborigine. They’re being very careful with photos, but it sure looks that way. Amazing she survived.

    Replies: @Michelle, @Bardon Kaldian

    The race of the perp is completely irrelevant in this case. A dingo kidnapped a white girl once and so did an aboriginal.

    • Replies: @NickG
    @Michelle


    The race of the perp is completely irrelevant in this case.

     

    Only if the perp isn't white.

    Replies: @sb

    , @JMcG
    @Michelle

    Australian aboriginals are a recurring subject here. I’m more interested in the media’s obvious effort to dance around the kidnapper’s race than in anything else, but thanks for instructing me in what is relevant.

    Replies: @Michelle

  35. @Almost Missouri

    government has charged the surviving non-morons with first degree murder, when both cases basically represent suicide by moron. Media wing of Media-Democrat Party pretends charges are legitimate, or at least plausible.
     
    I don't disagree, but George Floyd was basically a case of suicide by fentanyl, and Derek Chauvin got convicted of triple murder charges for it. (How does that work, btw, did the jury believe Chauvin revived Floyd and re-killed him twice? Maybe a big brained attorney can explain why the first thing we do is let's not kill all the lawyers. I mean, this is their system, and they are all sworn agents of the Court.) Plus Chauvin's facing "civil rights' (i.e., double—or quaduple?—jeopardy) charges.

    So, tl;dr: total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work. Maybe the right wing should take note so that when the Department of Justice et al. is in their hands, they can get whatever absurd judicial outcome they desire. Oops, I just said the DoJ might not be leftist. As Steve Martin once said, “Nah.”

    Replies: @Taco, @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @James Forrestal

    The feds already have a federal trial lined up for the Georgia boys if they are acquitted locally.

    As for Chauvin, by any objective standard, his conviction is illegitimate because (among many other reasons) one of the jurors was a black supremacist who blatantly lied during jury selection

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2021/05/04/jurors-blm-t-shirt-sparks-concerns-about-derek-chauvin-trial/amp/

    I am pretty sure there are no solutions to our problems which can be legally articulated.

    • Agree: Gordo
  36. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means "Great Cross".

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Ron Mexico, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means “Great Cross”.

    Noel Ignatiev means “Christmas, son of Loyola”. .דרעק כאַפּאַנז

    Lawrence Auster teased Jared Taylor and Samuel Francis that he, not they, bore the name of a Christian saint. Taylor is Samuel Jared, so he’s doubly Hebrew.

  37. The Rittenhouse circus weirdly reminds me of the Congressional Communist hunts in the 1950s and how the Left retells the stories today.

    In the 1950s, the government and Hollywood were lousy with communist agents, paid off to give information to Moscow (Washington) and to produce pro-Communist, pro-Moscow propaganda (Hollywood). Both groups included people who really did know about the evils of Communism going on in the Soviet Union and covered for it anyway. They really were evil folks.

    But in every re-telling, those solid facts are covered up or ignored so they can make ugly white male actors scream at helpless “good” communists who just wanted things to be a little more fair and “stood up for the little guy” and no valid evidence against them is heard.

  38. @Mike Tre
    One of the many notable things about Kyle Rittenhouse is this: He manged to do more in a few minutes to protect the citizenry of the United States than the entire US military managed to do during the span of two conflicts lasting 20 years concurrently.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @The Alarmist, @anonymous

    Who controls the U.S. Military?

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @JohnnyWalker123


    Who controls the U.S. Military?
     
    Idiots like rescue dog mommy LTC Dean:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-11-04/why-us-military-doesnt-win
  39. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.

    This kid, like Chauvin, will be sacrificed to gods of Wokeness, like the innocents on the top of Aztec pyramid.

    This is all beyond awful

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo, @Half Canadian

    “Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.”

    Rittenhouse is currently being tried on state charges. Trump only has the power to pardon with respect to federal charges. I suppose Trump could have issued a pre-emptive pardon against possible future federal charges but that would have been a concession that he might not be reelected.

  40. “… moron tries to take gun from person pointing gun at him, and moron dies. ..”

    Shooting a moron who tries to take your gun is sometimes illegal. As for example if you are robbing him.

  41. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://www.ktvu.com/news/elizabeth-holmes-trial-live-updates-as-attorney-for-upper-crust-families-testifies

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Why is no one mentioning Sines v. Kessler, the frivolous lawsuit against Unite the Right organizers?

    • Agree: TruthRevolution.net
  42. @Ron Mexico
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else's property, and the building(s) he was "protecting" also belonged to others. His life, yes, his own. As the Macho Man said, "unjustifiably in a position I'd rather not be in..." Good luck to Kyle and his lawyers. Hopefully, "the cream will rise to the top."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Pericles, @NOTA

    The state wasn’t doing its job so private citizens had to step in. The dealership had suffered \$1.5 million dollars worth of damage the night before. That is more money than most of Kyle’s critics will earn acquire in a lifetime.

    • Agree: Ben tillman, bomag
  43. Rittenhouse is in real trouble. His family is rather naive and they have fallen into the hands of a bunch of grifters who are basically looting the huge amounts of money raised for his defence.

    Robert Barnes managed to put together a team that included experts in jury vetting and self defence law, who set aside time to help but they have now been locked out of the case.

    Rittenhouse’s defence is in the hands of a couple of incompetent lawyers.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=e7p7xL9IYvk

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @jimmyriddle

    Thanks. I don't have time to listen to the 53-minute video now, but that would explain why last-minute changes in legal representation and why the absolutely most crucial part of the trial went so quickly and with so little negotiation.

    , @Catdog
    @jimmyriddle

    More likely Barnes is the grifter here.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    , @Corvinus
    @jimmyriddle

    “Rittenhouse is in real trouble.“

    The Anti-Gnostic is a lawyer. Rittenhouse should get in touch with him. That case is more likely to have a successful self defense argument compared to the Georgia case. And then you have the low T men here you wish they had the guts to pull a St. Brievik, I mean, a Rittenhouse. Maybe someday when the Orcs invade the shire….

  44. @Johann Ricke
    @Jack D


    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.
     
    The prosecutor is trying to depict the deceased thugs who attacked Rittenhouse as white George Floyds murdered by a racist Nazi (i.e. Rittenhouse). This disingenuous shyster's problem is that the departed are the wrong skin color. And Rittenhouse was a minor rather than a seasoned veteran of the police force.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Plus they sound like guys you would see manning Tiger tank turrets in movies.

  45. @Wilkey
    @Jack D


    Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy.
     
    Most incels could probably find someone willing to date them. Incels just tend to prefer women who are out of their league. They have higher standards than violent thugs.

    Most women that violent thugs attract aren't women you or I - or your average incel - would be much interested in. Thugs also get women because they can be fun to be around. That's easy to do when you don't have a job.

    Replies: @Trinity, @AndrewR

    I would say it’s highly debateable if moat incels have unrealistically high standards. I imagine most of them would be satisfied with an average-looking, normal-weight girl.

    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7. A big problem is that many top-tier guys will slum it and sleep with average or even below average girls, then these girls start thinking that they can get a top-tier man to commit to them, as if most men don’t have very different standards for whom they’ll sleep with vs whom they’ll commit to.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @AndrewR


    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.
     
    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their own relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, but lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a hunch that a guy is weird or insane, whether accurate or not. Women are more likely to dismiss a man by saying he is “weird” or “creepy” than by calling him “ugly.” Yes., sometimes those are just euphemisms for ugly, but not usually.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Negrolphin Pool, @anon, @HammerJack

    , @Catdog
    @AndrewR

    I've tried to set up a young woman I know with a med school student I know. He's 6'5" and rich off crypto. She said she's not interested, and keeps serial dating tindr swamp creaures instead. Incredible!

    Replies: @AndrewR

  46. @James J O'Meara
    @Jack D

    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is "No Jew would take the name 'Great Cross'," I would reply that, um, what part of "crypsis" don't you understand?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is “No Jew would take the name ‘Great Cross’,” I would reply that, um, what part of “crypsis” don’t you understand?

    If the deceased were Jewish in any form or fashion, the prosecutor would play up the anti-semite angle. Not quite as good as what he could drum up if they were black, but far better than nothing, which is what he’s got because they’re just plain vanilla, non-black, non-Jewish, non-POC thugs.

  47. @Ebony Obelisk
    They will both be found guilty because they broke the law and caused situations of death.

    The tears of racists and fascists will be delicious?

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Adam Smith

    Good news everyone! Tiny Duck remembered his email address for Ebony Obelisk!

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @duncsbaby

    > The tears of racists and fascists will be delicious?

    Tiny Duck ended up in Mexico City with an ice pick in his skull. After all that good work -- sad.

  48. @Wilkey

    one moron in the Rittenhouse case sounds like he’s Jewish, a group that usually does not produce morons.
     
    Jews produce plenty of morons. Just a different kind of moron.

    What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish? Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz - all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren't. It's Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz – all are German names.

    As are those other Wisconsin notables, Gein and Dahmer!

    Huber may be Swiss-German. The Hoovers were originally Hubers.

  49. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.

    This kid, like Chauvin, will be sacrificed to gods of Wokeness, like the innocents on the top of Aztec pyramid.

    This is all beyond awful

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo, @Half Canadian

    Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.

    That would only apply to federal charges, anyway.

  50. @Dan
    I think Rittenhouse has a much more clear cut case of self defense than the Georgia boys, although apparently Georgia had a law (since repealed) allowing citizens arrests. Still, they used pretty dubious means of attempting the arrest. Aubrey, not the brightest bulb on the tree, grabbed the shotgun and took a slug in his midsection. Kyle was chased and attacked, giving him the right to defend himself.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @That Would Be Telling

    I’m no lawyer but I don’t think any reasonable person could think that the Georgia guys had any desire to kill Arbery. They brought the guns for defense the same way a cop does. 99.99% of interactions between cops and citizens end peacefully. Arbery would unquestionably be alive if he had just surrendered and waited for the cops instead of committing suicide by good ol’ boy.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Anon
    @AndrewR


    I’m no lawyer but I don’t think any reasonable person could think that the Georgia guys had any desire to kill Arbery.
     
    The mistake is thinking that we're dealing with reasonable people. We're dealing with "white=bad, black=good" ideologues who despise reason.
    , @David In TN
    @AndrewR

    If the "Georgia guys" had asked my advice before they confronted the "jogger," I would have told them: "Have you considered what will happen if he resists and you have to shoot him?"

    , @V. Hickel
    @AndrewR

    or turned right and kept jogging

  51. @Ron Mexico
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else's property, and the building(s) he was "protecting" also belonged to others. His life, yes, his own. As the Macho Man said, "unjustifiably in a position I'd rather not be in..." Good luck to Kyle and his lawyers. Hopefully, "the cream will rise to the top."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Pericles, @NOTA

    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else’s property, and the building(s) he was “protecting” also belonged to others.

    That would make his actions more noble. Civil, rather than self-defense.

    What I feared most as a city bus rider wasn’t being attacked, but being forced to sit helplessly when someone else was. Had I had to take the sketchier routes more often, I’d’ve followed through with getting a carry permit.

  52. @Ron Mexico
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else's property, and the building(s) he was "protecting" also belonged to others. His life, yes, his own. As the Macho Man said, "unjustifiably in a position I'd rather not be in..." Good luck to Kyle and his lawyers. Hopefully, "the cream will rise to the top."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Pericles, @NOTA

    The surviving antifa ought to be charged with attempted murder.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
  53. @Taco
    @Almost Missouri

    The way Minnesota law treats murder is unique (insane) in at least 2 ways:

    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction

    2) a battery on the victim can be the underlying felony in a felony murder conviction

    I’ve never heard of any other jurisdiction where either of the above is true, and had to double check myself in both instances when I saw it reported that way, as I assumed it was a reporting error.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Almost Missouri, @Ben tillman, @jb

    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction

    It was certainly weird that Chauvin could be found guilty of separate charges of manslaughter, 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree murder. In some other jurisdictions these verdicts would be mutually exclusive.

    • Replies: @Taco
    @James N. Kennett

    Kind of. Generally, the charges wouldn’t be mutually exclusive, but if convicted of more than one they would “merge” into one conviction.

    Chauvin was charged with manslaughter, depraved heart murder, and felony murder. All 3 require the same guilty act — the unlawful killing of another person — but have different mental requirements. Manslaughter requires proving the defendant acted with criminal negligence, depraved heart requires wanton indifference to the safety of others, and felony murder requires that the death have occurred during the commission of a violent felony.

    It is normal for prosecutors to include the lesser charges. If they can’t convince a jury that the defendant committed the most heinous crime, they might still meet all the elements of the lesser crime.

    However, in almost every jurisdiction, a conviction on the more heinous counts will erase any simultaneous convictions on the lesser charges. In any other state Chauvin’s felony murder conviction would have subsumed his lesser convictions and he would not have been sentenced for all 3.

    The way Minnesota does it seems crazy to me.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

  54. @Michelle
    @JMcG

    The race of the perp is completely irrelevant in this case. A dingo kidnapped a white girl once and so did an aboriginal.

    Replies: @NickG, @JMcG

    The race of the perp is completely irrelevant in this case.

    Only if the perp isn’t white.

    • Replies: @sb
    @NickG

    It's reported that the little girl Cleo was found in a locked room which was full of dolls from floor to ceiling .
    The house was in a low SES public housing area which is predominantly aboriginal but rather doubt that this could be called a typical aborigine crime . The perp apparently has been in and out of hospital due to self harm
    Much more to come I'd say but I'd be surprised if he touched her . as they say in court ,inappropriately

    This has been the biggest story in Australia for several weeks . I think in the States it would be a local 24 hours story at best

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  55. “Trial of the century” connotes some humorous angle — the OJ trial for instance. Unfortunately, when it comes to the Rittenhouse and McMichaels trials, all I feel is sadness and anger.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @International Jew

    IJ, OJ showed up at the Bills game on Sunday and mingled with the parking lot crowd....weird,

  56. @Almost Missouri
    @Wilkey


    Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black.
     
    We may speculate about Rittenhouse's luck, but the remarkable thing (totally unremarked in the mainstream media of course) is that Rittenhouse shot three people at the riot and hit three sex offenders. What are the odds? Well, in order to have even odds of hitting three out of three sex offenders within a group, that group would have to consist of about 80% sex offenders.

    Now Kyle wasn't shooting at random, black style, rather he only shot men who assaulted him. And it may be that sex offenders are by nature more likely to commit assaults than other people are as well. So if we assume that sex offenders are twice as likely to assault for any reason as "normal" rioters are, then we only have to conclude that the crowd of rioters likely consisted of 40% sex offenders instead of 80% sex offenders. (Of course, that still leaves the other 60% of rioters as literally sex offender-adjacent!)

    Replies: @International Jew, @Wilkey

    Maybe the sex offenders were attracted to Rittenhouse’s cherubic face? But 3 for 3 would be pretty remarkable even so.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @International Jew


    Maybe the sex offenders were attracted to Rittenhouse’s cherubic face?
     
    "Joseph Rosenbaum died doing what he loved, trying to touch a child."

    I'm not aware that any of the others are or were "sex offenders," while all were convicted felons, Huber was for domestic violence and was up for another round of that, and Grosskreutz "was convicted of a crime for use of a firearm while intoxicated." He's the who made a perfidious (that's a legal concept in war crimes for example) open handed approach to Rittenhouse after Rosenbaum, Mr. Drop Kick, and Huber had tried to kill Rittenhouse, and lost his bicep by pulling his handgun. As best we could tell, Rittenhouse had taken about two seconds to clear his rifle after a malfunction and was a second away from Grosskreutz finishing lining up his handgun with Rittenhouse's head.

    Or a TL;DR: Rittenhouse's gun handling in keeping himself from being murdered was all but miraculous. I've not come across anyone on or off the net including myself who thinks they could have done as well.

    Another thing I forgot to mention, there's now some evidence that the initial shots fired were actually fired at Rittenhouse (handgun from a distance by an "outside agitator," although not sure about the outside bit). This is part of the whole set of split-second events that per the state's indictment ("criminal complaint") ended with Rosenbaum trying to take Rittenhouse's rifle and getting shot as a result. Which is extremely clear cut self-defense as far as we can tell, even more so with the state not being able to demonstrate anything other than bad faith in their investigation and prosecution.

    Replies: @bomag, @Expletive Deleted

  57. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means "Great Cross".

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Ron Mexico, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    Here’s how I read the is-Jewish probabilities:

    Rosenbaum 90%
    Grosskreutz 5%
    Huber 1%
    Rittenhouse 10%

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Really? What makes you put Rosenbaum at 90%? To me, his life history, his appearance, his place of origin, everything, screams lower class white (the lowest of the low - not even working class). All the "Rosen-" type names can be either Jewish or German.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @Fhjjjkjcdddbb
    @International Jew

    I’m pretty sure Rosenbaum is the only confirmed Jew, but Huber seems likely. I wonder how likely it is for someone named “Big Cross” to be Jewish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Mayfield Ave
    @International Jew

    I don't think Rosenbaum is (or was) Jewish simply because I have never met a Jewish person in my life with the first name Joseph

    Have you? If they are out there, they have to be quite rare.

    My guess is that he's German Catholic

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  58. @Rouetheday
    On Tuesday's ABC Nightly News anchor David Muir described Kyle as an 18-year-old gunman (of course, he was 17 at the time, but, whatever) who, get this,'crossed state line'. I had hoped the day would never come when a major network was reduced to using talking points from The Young Turks, but, alas, my hopes have been dashed.

    Replies: @Patrick McNally

    If the media were consistent they would be showing photos of Kyle Rittenhouse at age 14 the way they did with Trayvon Martin.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Patrick McNally


    If the media were consistent they would be showing photos of Kyle Rittenhouse at age 14 the way they did with Trayvon Martin.
     
    They lie consistently.
    , @Anonymous
    @Patrick McNally

    I think you mean 8. I think the pictures were from when he was about 8 years old.

  59. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.

    This kid, like Chauvin, will be sacrificed to gods of Wokeness, like the innocents on the top of Aztec pyramid.

    This is all beyond awful

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo, @Half Canadian

    Who Trump pardoned and who he didn’t is a big clue to who he really is.

    • Agree: West reanimator
  60. @Patrick McNally
    @Rouetheday

    If the media were consistent they would be showing photos of Kyle Rittenhouse at age 14 the way they did with Trayvon Martin.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Anonymous

    If the media were consistent they would be showing photos of Kyle Rittenhouse at age 14 the way they did with Trayvon Martin.

    They lie consistently.

    • Agree: David In TN
  61. @jimmyriddle
    Rittenhouse is in real trouble. His family is rather naive and they have fallen into the hands of a bunch of grifters who are basically looting the huge amounts of money raised for his defence.

    Robert Barnes managed to put together a team that included experts in jury vetting and self defence law, who set aside time to help but they have now been locked out of the case.

    Rittenhouse's defence is in the hands of a couple of incompetent lawyers.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=e7p7xL9IYvk

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Catdog, @Corvinus

    Thanks. I don’t have time to listen to the 53-minute video now, but that would explain why last-minute changes in legal representation and why the absolutely most crucial part of the trial went so quickly and with so little negotiation.

  62. @Taco
    @Almost Missouri

    The way Minnesota law treats murder is unique (insane) in at least 2 ways:

    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction

    2) a battery on the victim can be the underlying felony in a felony murder conviction

    I’ve never heard of any other jurisdiction where either of the above is true, and had to double check myself in both instances when I saw it reported that way, as I assumed it was a reporting error.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Almost Missouri, @Ben tillman, @jb

    Thanks, that is news to me. But still I must persist. There are lots of quirky local legal customs and incompetently drafted laws, yet prosecutors manage to sidestep them and proceed on a logical common sense basis whenever they please, yet in all these cases (Rittenhouse, Georgia, Chauvin) the prosecutors are leaning into the insane and rotten aspects of the local laws.

    None of these trials should have happened. Having happened, none of them should have been charged as they were. Having been charged, none of them should be (should have been) convicted as charged. But Chauvin got the maximum convictions, and it’s not looking too good for the others.

    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Almost Missouri

    Agree.

    And the Woke are so ridiculously in-your-face about it; giving us spit-spewing diatribes about the evils of Chauvin while fulsomely praising Michael Byrd for shooting Ashley Babbitt.

    The Court was weirdly schizo in not prosecuting the summer rioters but coming down on the Jan 6 protests like a ton of bricks.

    The same Left that decries over-sentencing and over-incarceration was quite happy when James Fields got two life sentences plus 419 years.

    , @That Would Be Telling
    @Almost Missouri


    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.
     
    Prospective jurors for the Rittenhouse case have explicitly brought up the issue of "half of the country will be angry whichever way we decide," not sure about the rioting, but definitely about the threat of harm to them. The judge went so far as to cite statistics he'd experienced or thought he knew; here's a summary by Andrew Branca, an earlier item by him quoted exactly what the judge said:

    Judge Schroeder interjected here, attempting to assuage some of these fears—but frankly, he did not show the smoothest touch. At one point he tried to put the threat in a reasonable context by noting that he’d been in the law for 50 years, 38 years as a trial judge, and no juror had ever been harmed.

    Which is all well and good, but then he added, rather unhelpfully I thought, that even judges only get assassinated maybe once every 10 or 15 years. I can only imagine what the concerned jurors now thought of their personal risks when even the judge himself might be the target of an assassination!
     
    Yeah, the judge is perfectly aware of the potential consequences of this trial to himself and the jurors, and while he's done some questionable stuff, does not seem to be biased. Well, I think there's slight signs he's getting a bit biased against the prosecution, no one likes being subjected to hours and hours of BS, before the trial and now during it.
    , @Alice in Wonderland
    @Almost Missouri


    None of these trials should have happened
     
    2 words

    Grand Jury

    In Texas it is pretty likely the Grand Jury would not have indicted.

    A guy here went out and shot a couple of guys robbing his neighbor's house. That isn't even legal in Texas. But the Grand Jury would not indict him. So, no trial.

    It is the scum in those places that indicted him.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Almost Missouri

    The middle two, when credible, are far more effective.

  63. @Whiskey
    First lets have clarity. Joggers and the like are sacred, and racial redeemers of the original sin of beta male Whiteness. The accused in the jogger case are icky White males, and so are by definition guilty. All and every black male has a sacred right to break into your house and do what he wants. This is the law, already. And I am not kidding either. White people and in particular White men are third class serfs, viewed as genetically evil, and with hereditary blood guilt. Period. Those defendants will be found guilty and sentenced to the max as we are a nation of feelz not laws.

    Second, Anti-Fa are the armed, paramilitary wing of the media and Democrats. They have absolute authority to do whatever they want to anyone at any time. Even cops, even Feds. Feds know this. They don't mess with Anti-Fa any more than German cops messed with the SA then SS in Third Reich. Same thing. That is the law.

    Kyle Rittenhouse is a literal boy scout who was on film for hours before the shooting, scrubbing off graffiti, rendering first aid, picking up trash. He was chased and assaulted and shot as he fled for using a fire extinguisher to put out a dumpster the Anti Fa SS set on fire and rolled towards a Gas Station. Police did not want to arrest him initially.

    He will however slam dunk be convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Guaranteed. His Defense attorney predictably threw the case when he prevented the jury selection consultants from participating, and accepted a tainted jury pool that polling suggests believes around 85% Rittenhouse guilty. The attorney has to practice law, what does he care about Rittenhouse much less winning? He will be on TV and that's all that counts.

    We are about 15 minutes into the future from the logical conclusion: "cut down all the tall trees." That's it. Our culture, our society, our leadership, our entertainment, and our religion of sacred racially redeeming blacks from beta male Whiteness, all lead down that path. Rittenhouse is doomed because he did not accept or understand that reality, he will likely be fatally shivved six months into his life sentence because he thought this was America instead of what it is. Understand you as a White male exist now solely on sufferance of your masters who really hate you and want you dead. Avoid being noticed at all costs. Your skin color is not just your uniform but your innate guilt before your masters.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Lyov Myshkin

    Very good statement of the pessimistic case. And the Chauvin trial has already vindicated it. I wish I could be more optimistic about Rittenhouse and Georgia, but I’m not.

    • Agree: bomag, Mike Tre
  64. @NickG
    @Michelle


    The race of the perp is completely irrelevant in this case.

     

    Only if the perp isn't white.

    Replies: @sb

    It’s reported that the little girl Cleo was found in a locked room which was full of dolls from floor to ceiling .
    The house was in a low SES public housing area which is predominantly aboriginal but rather doubt that this could be called a typical aborigine crime . The perp apparently has been in and out of hospital due to self harm
    Much more to come I’d say but I’d be surprised if he touched her . as they say in court ,inappropriately

    This has been the biggest story in Australia for several weeks . I think in the States it would be a local 24 hours story at best

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @sb

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/cleo-smith-s-alleged-abductor-had-room-full-of-dolls-20211103-p595ny.html
    https://twitter.com/WAtoday/status/1456183132999217154

    https://thewest.com.au/news/cleo-smith/cleo-smith-found-accused-kidnapper-terence-kelly-pictured-with-childrens-dolls-c-4435997
    https://twitter.com/westaustralian/status/1456205084438769669

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  65. @Patrick McNally
    @Rouetheday

    If the media were consistent they would be showing photos of Kyle Rittenhouse at age 14 the way they did with Trayvon Martin.

    Replies: @Gordo, @Anonymous

    I think you mean 8. I think the pictures were from when he was about 8 years old.

  66. FREE KYLE!!! FREE KYLE!!! FREE KYLE!!!

  67. @Mike Tre
    One of the many notable things about Kyle Rittenhouse is this: He manged to do more in a few minutes to protect the citizenry of the United States than the entire US military managed to do during the span of two conflicts lasting 20 years concurrently.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @The Alarmist, @anonymous

    Rittenhouse demonstrated trigger control and marksmanship under fire and direct assault that has been described by more than a few SpecOps types I know as remarkable.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @The Alarmist

    But, but, every news article I read describes the events as a "spree." Who should I believe, you, or the traditional media?

  68. @duncsbaby
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Good news everyone! Tiny Duck remembered his email address for Ebony Obelisk!

    Replies: @ic1000

    > The tears of racists and fascists will be delicious?

    Tiny Duck ended up in Mexico City with an ice pick in his skull. After all that good work — sad.

  69. @James N. Kennett
    @Taco


    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction
     
    It was certainly weird that Chauvin could be found guilty of separate charges of manslaughter, 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree murder. In some other jurisdictions these verdicts would be mutually exclusive.

    Replies: @Taco

    Kind of. Generally, the charges wouldn’t be mutually exclusive, but if convicted of more than one they would “merge” into one conviction.

    Chauvin was charged with manslaughter, depraved heart murder, and felony murder. All 3 require the same guilty act — the unlawful killing of another person — but have different mental requirements. Manslaughter requires proving the defendant acted with criminal negligence, depraved heart requires wanton indifference to the safety of others, and felony murder requires that the death have occurred during the commission of a violent felony.

    It is normal for prosecutors to include the lesser charges. If they can’t convince a jury that the defendant committed the most heinous crime, they might still meet all the elements of the lesser crime.

    However, in almost every jurisdiction, a conviction on the more heinous counts will erase any simultaneous convictions on the lesser charges. In any other state Chauvin’s felony murder conviction would have subsumed his lesser convictions and he would not have been sentenced for all 3.

    The way Minnesota does it seems crazy to me.

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Taco

    "... depraved heart requires wanton indifference to the safety of others .."

    Chauvin's conviction here is likely to be reversed as the Minnesota Supreme Court recently reiterated that this charge is inapplicable when a single person is targeted. But this won't do Chauvin a lot of good because he was convicted on the other counts as well.

  70. @HammerJack
    https://i.ibb.co/d0NvcYg/Screenshot-20211103-195129-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Just never know who your new neighbors are

    Replies: @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @Sick of Orcs, @Polistra

    Confessed to 14 murders; sentenced to 35 yrs.; served about half of it; was in his old neighborhood in Harlem when shot; 55 yrs old. Seems to have been a midlife/later life crisis where he was getting on the backside of life and was making another run at the juice.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @bomag

    Only 14 murders? Well shame on me for being judgmental. Why, he's just the sort of person I want the authorities using to de-segregate my neighborhood.

    Always fun to use unsuspecting tenants and other nearby residents as guinea pigs for your sociology experiments.

    Of course admitting to 14 murders means he probably committed around 50. As when they admit to 14 kids by six baby mamas.

    Replies: @bomag

  71. @Michelle
    @JMcG

    The race of the perp is completely irrelevant in this case. A dingo kidnapped a white girl once and so did an aboriginal.

    Replies: @NickG, @JMcG

    Australian aboriginals are a recurring subject here. I’m more interested in the media’s obvious effort to dance around the kidnapper’s race than in anything else, but thanks for instructing me in what is relevant.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @JMcG

    I am almost 100% sure that most white Australian girls are kidnapped by fellow whites and that this is an anomaly.

    Replies: @JMcG, @James Forrestal

  72. @JMcG
    Looks as though the creep who kidnapped the little girl in Australia is an aborigine. They’re being very careful with photos, but it sure looks that way. Amazing she survived.

    Replies: @Michelle, @Bardon Kaldian

    Hmmm..

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10163195/Cleo-Smith-Terry-Kelly-wrongly-identified-suspected-kidnapper-threatened-SPEARING.html

    EXCLUSIVE: Aboriginal man wrongly identified as Cleo Smith’s suspected kidnapper is threatened with SPEARING – as elders hold crisis talks with police over racist backlash fears

  73. @AndrewR
    @Dan

    I'm no lawyer but I don't think any reasonable person could think that the Georgia guys had any desire to kill Arbery. They brought the guns for defense the same way a cop does. 99.99% of interactions between cops and citizens end peacefully. Arbery would unquestionably be alive if he had just surrendered and waited for the cops instead of committing suicide by good ol' boy.

    Replies: @Anon, @David In TN, @V. Hickel

    I’m no lawyer but I don’t think any reasonable person could think that the Georgia guys had any desire to kill Arbery.

    The mistake is thinking that we’re dealing with reasonable people. We’re dealing with “white=bad, black=good” ideologues who despise reason.

  74. @Almost Missouri
    @Taco

    Thanks, that is news to me. But still I must persist. There are lots of quirky local legal customs and incompetently drafted laws, yet prosecutors manage to sidestep them and proceed on a logical common sense basis whenever they please, yet in all these cases (Rittenhouse, Georgia, Chauvin) the prosecutors are leaning into the insane and rotten aspects of the local laws.

    None of these trials should have happened. Having happened, none of them should have been charged as they were. Having been charged, none of them should be (should have been) convicted as charged. But Chauvin got the maximum convictions, and it's not looking too good for the others.

    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alice in Wonderland, @Negrolphin Pool

    Agree.

    And the Woke are so ridiculously in-your-face about it; giving us spit-spewing diatribes about the evils of Chauvin while fulsomely praising Michael Byrd for shooting Ashley Babbitt.

    The Court was weirdly schizo in not prosecuting the summer rioters but coming down on the Jan 6 protests like a ton of bricks.

    The same Left that decries over-sentencing and over-incarceration was quite happy when James Fields got two life sentences plus 419 years.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  75. @Rooster111
    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.

    I petition that Kenosha erect a statue of Kyle when this whole thing is over, maybe even rename the local high school after him. Rittenhouse High has a nice ring to it!

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The left doesn’t want anyone fighting back.

  76. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Mike Tre

    Who controls the U.S. Military?

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Who controls the U.S. Military?

    Idiots like rescue dog mommy LTC Dean:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-11-04/why-us-military-doesnt-win

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
  77. @Rooster111
    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.

    I petition that Kenosha erect a statue of Kyle when this whole thing is over, maybe even rename the local high school after him. Rittenhouse High has a nice ring to it!

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.

    I would guess the latter among your reasons, they pretty much own “the streets” and with near completely legal immunity unless they too kill someone which is still a step too far for our legal authorities. Although I’ve read of another exception to this principle when a group traveling to the D.C. for the riots against Trump/the White House stopped in some small-ish Pennsylvania town and got return fire when they tried their usual antics.

    No one killed in that, though, whereas here we have another “special victim” who’s supposed to be off limits, an convicted pedophile Jew, and literally true, boys as young as five. Also a literally crazy guy who initiated more than a little violence in Kenosha, and we’ve learned just now from FBI surveillance (which they “lost” the high resolution copy of) actually set up a genuine ambush of Rittenhouse who he’d previously threatened. Although the latter probably wasn’t anything personal, Joseph Rosenbaum was verbally out of control, was filmed during the day demanding the civilians with guns kill him, for instance.

    He’s not turning out to be a sympathetic “victim,” not that the jury is being allowed to learn much of that. The prosecution tried really hard to step on its [redacted] in a couple of things they brought up about him, that he’d just been released from the hospital, and something about being there that night because of his girlfriend. That hospital visit was in the psych ward, and his “girlfriend” had a restraining order on him, not sure he had a place to stay in the city.

  78. @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Here's how I read the is-Jewish probabilities:

    Rosenbaum 90%
    Grosskreutz 5%
    Huber 1%
    Rittenhouse 10%

    Replies: @Jack D, @Fhjjjkjcdddbb, @Mayfield Ave

    Really? What makes you put Rosenbaum at 90%? To me, his life history, his appearance, his place of origin, everything, screams lower class white (the lowest of the low – not even working class). All the “Rosen-” type names can be either Jewish or German.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Rosenbaum is the kind of name Austrian clerks handed out a couple hundred years ago, when all the emperor's Jewish subjects were ordered to adopt a stable (ie not patronymic-changing-every-generation) last name. Rosenbaum, Weinstein, Goldberg, Steinberg...you won't find many names like that in a German phone book.

    To be sure, there was a Rosenberg high up in the Nazi party, but as Steve would say he was the exception that proves the rule.

    Back to our Rosenbaum, none of this rules out that he could well have been no more than 1/16 Jewish (and not even aware of it).

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Paperback Writer

  79. @AndrewR
    @Wilkey

    I would say it's highly debateable if moat incels have unrealistically high standards. I imagine most of them would be satisfied with an average-looking, normal-weight girl.

    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won't even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7. A big problem is that many top-tier guys will slum it and sleep with average or even below average girls, then these girls start thinking that they can get a top-tier man to commit to them, as if most men don't have very different standards for whom they'll sleep with vs whom they'll commit to.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Catdog

    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.

    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their own relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, but lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a hunch that a guy is weird or insane, whether accurate or not. Women are more likely to dismiss a man by saying he is “weird” or “creepy” than by calling him “ugly.” Yes., sometimes those are just euphemisms for ugly, but not usually.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Wilkey



    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.

     

    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, it lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a bunch that they are insane, whether accurate or not.
     
    Maybe the problem here is that for women sexual attractiveness is highly correlated to youth. Many young 5s will get lots of attention from men because most would like to screw a young 5 on any given day. Makeup also serves as a force multiplier for young women much more than for older women (although older women often cake it on and unwittingly look ridiculous).

    But when the flower of youth has faded, a young 5 becomes something quite a bit less. So a 5 who had become accustomed to getting lots of male attention including attention from desirable men might not want to come to terms with her fading attractiveness and decreased mate prospects.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.
     
    I think the first part of your statement obtains for a small fraction of men who receive lots of female attention. Most men are than happy to settle down with a girl whom they thought was better looking than most who would give them attention.

    Since the social bonds have been broken down it seems that in terms of pure economic exchange the benefits of marriage for women are front-loaded, and there is rarely an economic penalty to be paid or social sanction for leaving a marriage. So once a woman has some financial stability and has had her children, perhaps the material aims of the marriage have been fulfilled. The only things keeping her in the marriage at that point are inertia and sentimentality, while the society tells her to find her happiness and won't judge her at all for abandoning the marriage and seeking out fun and erotic fulfillment.
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    @Wilkey

    You're arguing that women are unique among sexually reproducing species in not taking salient genetic fitness markers into account when selecting a mate. AndrewR's points are spot on, backed by most available evidence. One such fact is the well-known and tremendous disparities in female vs male matches on dating apps, with 80% of women vying for roughly the top 15-20% of men and men below the 80th percentile having scarce success, rapidly dwindling to nothing as one falls down the ratings scale.

    Hypergamy in human females appears to be both strong and real, with some studies concluding that as many as 90% of males failed to reproduce prior to the advent of civilization. Remove the constraints on female sexuality, and it quickly reverts to precivilizational norms, with the predictable consequences — almost all real economic activity is performed by mate-seeking men — being most unfortunate.

    , @anon
    @Wilkey

    Women are attracted to men who display confidence. An Incel male has to overcome a baffling intangible. Whereas any young female with a pleasing figure will attract admirers.

    , @HammerJack
    @Wilkey

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

    The infamous OKcupid study showing that men tend to reach a bit, but women think that 80% of men are below average. Of course it may be the infamous math thing.

  80. @Dan
    I think Rittenhouse has a much more clear cut case of self defense than the Georgia boys, although apparently Georgia had a law (since repealed) allowing citizens arrests. Still, they used pretty dubious means of attempting the arrest. Aubrey, not the brightest bulb on the tree, grabbed the shotgun and took a slug in his midsection. Kyle was chased and attacked, giving him the right to defend himself.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @That Would Be Telling

    Aubrey, not the brightest bulb on the tree

    It’s worse than that, he’d been diagnosed as being on the schizophrenic spectrum and wasn’t taking his (nasty) meds, and was high on marijuana (which I’ll note has a strong enough association with schizophrenia people shouldn’t casually use it). All that and more can be found at one of the best sources for both trials, self-defense specialist and advocate lawyer Andrew Branca at Legal Insurrection, for example the above I confirmed in his “Ahmaud Arbery Case: Seven Facts the Jury Will (Probably) Never Hear.”

    His current take on the cases is that the defense lawyers in that case a preparing for an appeal, the judge is for example biased and the jury pool irredeemably tainted. But while you can never predict juries, and some of them are specifically worried about rendering the “wrong” verdict, the Rittenhouse case is going well, like in the Zimmerman case the prosecution simply doesn’t have a case.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  81. @Almost Missouri
    @Wilkey


    Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black.
     
    We may speculate about Rittenhouse's luck, but the remarkable thing (totally unremarked in the mainstream media of course) is that Rittenhouse shot three people at the riot and hit three sex offenders. What are the odds? Well, in order to have even odds of hitting three out of three sex offenders within a group, that group would have to consist of about 80% sex offenders.

    Now Kyle wasn't shooting at random, black style, rather he only shot men who assaulted him. And it may be that sex offenders are by nature more likely to commit assaults than other people are as well. So if we assume that sex offenders are twice as likely to assault for any reason as "normal" rioters are, then we only have to conclude that the crowd of rioters likely consisted of 40% sex offenders instead of 80% sex offenders. (Of course, that still leaves the other 60% of rioters as literally sex offender-adjacent!)

    Replies: @International Jew, @Wilkey

    According to Snopes, only Rosenbaum was a sex offender. Of course Snopes is incredibly biased, and you have to read through about 1,500 words of editorializing bullshit before getting to the part where it grudgingly acknowledges their criminal records. Huber had attempted to strangle his brother and held his brother and grandmother at knifepoint, but no sex offenses. Grosskreutz’s most serious infraction was a firearms offense while intoxicated.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Wilkey

    I do recall some women coming forward immediately after the shooting and saying Huber and Grosskreutz were girlfriend-beaters/sex-deviants/something-or-others (it's tough keeping track of all the left's moral malformities). Maybe that stuff has been scrubbed from the internet in preparation for this week's Great Show Trial of the Century.

    So given that those things didn't necessarily result in convictions on adult criminal records, maybe I shoulda written it as "Rittenhouse shot three people and hit three convicted criminals" (as if rioting and arson aren't criminal enough).

  82. @Wilkey
    @AndrewR


    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.
     
    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their own relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, but lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a hunch that a guy is weird or insane, whether accurate or not. Women are more likely to dismiss a man by saying he is “weird” or “creepy” than by calling him “ugly.” Yes., sometimes those are just euphemisms for ugly, but not usually.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Negrolphin Pool, @anon, @HammerJack

    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.

    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, it lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a bunch that they are insane, whether accurate or not.

    Maybe the problem here is that for women sexual attractiveness is highly correlated to youth. Many young 5s will get lots of attention from men because most would like to screw a young 5 on any given day. Makeup also serves as a force multiplier for young women much more than for older women (although older women often cake it on and unwittingly look ridiculous).

    But when the flower of youth has faded, a young 5 becomes something quite a bit less. So a 5 who had become accustomed to getting lots of male attention including attention from desirable men might not want to come to terms with her fading attractiveness and decreased mate prospects.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.

    I think the first part of your statement obtains for a small fraction of men who receive lots of female attention. Most men are than happy to settle down with a girl whom they thought was better looking than most who would give them attention.

    Since the social bonds have been broken down it seems that in terms of pure economic exchange the benefits of marriage for women are front-loaded, and there is rarely an economic penalty to be paid or social sanction for leaving a marriage. So once a woman has some financial stability and has had her children, perhaps the material aims of the marriage have been fulfilled. The only things keeping her in the marriage at that point are inertia and sentimentality, while the society tells her to find her happiness and won’t judge her at all for abandoning the marriage and seeking out fun and erotic fulfillment.

  83. @International Jew
    @Almost Missouri

    Maybe the sex offenders were attracted to Rittenhouse's cherubic face? But 3 for 3 would be pretty remarkable even so.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    Maybe the sex offenders were attracted to Rittenhouse’s cherubic face?

    “Joseph Rosenbaum died doing what he loved, trying to touch a child.”

    I’m not aware that any of the others are or were “sex offenders,” while all were convicted felons, Huber was for domestic violence and was up for another round of that, and Grosskreutz “was convicted of a crime for use of a firearm while intoxicated.” He’s the who made a perfidious (that’s a legal concept in war crimes for example) open handed approach to Rittenhouse after Rosenbaum, Mr. Drop Kick, and Huber had tried to kill Rittenhouse, and lost his bicep by pulling his handgun. As best we could tell, Rittenhouse had taken about two seconds to clear his rifle after a malfunction and was a second away from Grosskreutz finishing lining up his handgun with Rittenhouse’s head.

    Or a TL;DR: Rittenhouse’s gun handling in keeping himself from being murdered was all but miraculous. I’ve not come across anyone on or off the net including myself who thinks they could have done as well.

    Another thing I forgot to mention, there’s now some evidence that the initial shots fired were actually fired at Rittenhouse (handgun from a distance by an “outside agitator,” although not sure about the outside bit). This is part of the whole set of split-second events that per the state’s indictment (“criminal complaint”) ended with Rosenbaum trying to take Rittenhouse’s rifle and getting shot as a result. Which is extremely clear cut self-defense as far as we can tell, even more so with the state not being able to demonstrate anything other than bad faith in their investigation and prosecution.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @That Would Be Telling

    Thanks.

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @That Would Be Telling


    some evidence that the initial shots fired were actually fired at Rittenhouse (handgun from a distance by an “outside agitator,” although not sure about the outside bit)
     
    "Gun Hobo" [Ziminski a.k.a. Alex Blaine] was charged.
    And let off, less than three weeks ago. All charges dropped. Apparently the gun was stolen from his home the dog ate his homework. "Oh well, then you are free to go sir".

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/man-charged-with-firing-handgun-in-air-before-kenosha-shootings/
    https://concealednation.org/2020/10/charges-dropped-against-first-kenosha-shooter-who-fired-into-air/

    The whole thing can be seen (fuzzily) on Regg Inkagnedo's stream, including the muzzle flash, if it hasn't been memory-holed. That lad Regg gets tha Cawntint all right, even if he missed the fatal melee in the road further on because of his gimp knee or something.
    And Mr Z does get a mention or two on the trial coverage stream, witnesses on the stand also consistently noted the shot immediately preceding Kyle's ones.

    Oh and, the judge and his crew are having Subway tomorrow lunchtime.
    He was quite sure about that at least.
  84. One of the things that starches me about the Rittenhouse affair is that it was common knowledge at the time that the political leadership of Kenosha had ordered law enforcement to stand down and not interfere in ongoing rioting and widespread criminality. In fact, law enforcement could be observed simply observing serial felonies without response.

    The government withdrew law from Kenosha and in so doing gave the message “you’re on your own.” It’s not vigilantism when the authorities abdicate from their offices and cede their monopoly on violence to a mob.

    It seems really unjust for the government to have left Kenosha to the tender mercies of violent rioting felons, in effect deputizing them, and then to come back after the fact and prosecute a single transaction as criminal in the context of utter lawlessness acquiesced to if not engineered by that same government. The left’s paramilitaries were clearly given the green light to destroy, batter and worse, but then the architects of the madness get outraged when a few of their pets get killed or maimed while descending upon innocents like a pack of hyenas.

    Kyle Rittenhouse is one of many political prisoners in 2021 America.

    • Agree: Negrolphin Pool, Rob McX
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    One of the things that starches me about the Rittenhouse affair is that it was common knowledge at the time that the political leadership of Kenosha had ordered law enforcement to stand down and not interfere in ongoing rioting and widespread criminality.
     
    This went so far as to their refusing to take Rittenhouse into custody when he finally made it to their line to, by that point, surrender since he'd shot at least three people, perhaps all but the first in their view. Had to go home and turned himself into the local police department.
  85. @Almost Missouri
    @Taco

    Thanks, that is news to me. But still I must persist. There are lots of quirky local legal customs and incompetently drafted laws, yet prosecutors manage to sidestep them and proceed on a logical common sense basis whenever they please, yet in all these cases (Rittenhouse, Georgia, Chauvin) the prosecutors are leaning into the insane and rotten aspects of the local laws.

    None of these trials should have happened. Having happened, none of them should have been charged as they were. Having been charged, none of them should be (should have been) convicted as charged. But Chauvin got the maximum convictions, and it's not looking too good for the others.

    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alice in Wonderland, @Negrolphin Pool

    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.

    Prospective jurors for the Rittenhouse case have explicitly brought up the issue of “half of the country will be angry whichever way we decide,” not sure about the rioting, but definitely about the threat of harm to them. The judge went so far as to cite statistics he’d experienced or thought he knew; here’s a summary by Andrew Branca, an earlier item by him quoted exactly what the judge said:

    Judge Schroeder interjected here, attempting to assuage some of these fears—but frankly, he did not show the smoothest touch. At one point he tried to put the threat in a reasonable context by noting that he’d been in the law for 50 years, 38 years as a trial judge, and no juror had ever been harmed.

    Which is all well and good, but then he added, rather unhelpfully I thought, that even judges only get assassinated maybe once every 10 or 15 years. I can only imagine what the concerned jurors now thought of their personal risks when even the judge himself might be the target of an assassination!

    Yeah, the judge is perfectly aware of the potential consequences of this trial to himself and the jurors, and while he’s done some questionable stuff, does not seem to be biased. Well, I think there’s slight signs he’s getting a bit biased against the prosecution, no one likes being subjected to hours and hours of BS, before the trial and now during it.

  86. @AndrewR
    @Wilkey

    I would say it's highly debateable if moat incels have unrealistically high standards. I imagine most of them would be satisfied with an average-looking, normal-weight girl.

    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won't even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7. A big problem is that many top-tier guys will slum it and sleep with average or even below average girls, then these girls start thinking that they can get a top-tier man to commit to them, as if most men don't have very different standards for whom they'll sleep with vs whom they'll commit to.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Catdog

    I’ve tried to set up a young woman I know with a med school student I know. He’s 6’5″ and rich off crypto. She said she’s not interested, and keeps serial dating tindr swamp creaures instead. Incredible!

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Catdog

    Pathetic. He deserves much better.

  87. @Rooster111
    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.

    I petition that Kenosha erect a statue of Kyle when this whole thing is over, maybe even rename the local high school after him. Rittenhouse High has a nice ring to it!

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.

    The 2020 Summer Riots were, in their minds, righteous expressions (some call them “uprisings”) and clear threat displays made with the intent of showing their adversaries that their violence is above the law. They demonstrated that the powers that be would not hesitate to loose street thugs on their adversaries and would withdraw police protection.

    But Rittenhouse represents something that weighs on their minds in their constant insurgency against Americans. Rittenhouse is proof of concept – there are literally tens of millions of rifles and hundreds of millions of cartridges in the hands of their adversaries, many of whom are combat veterans of the elites’ meat-grinder foreign wars of adventure. One literal cherub-faced boy with a rifle turned back a pack of their street paramilitaries who were in the process of lynching him. Imagine what ten trained and experienced men with rifles could have done. They want to lynch Rittenhouse now by corrupting the law because they’re pissed that he blew up their intimidation display in under a minute. They have to get him pour encourager les autres.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I'd meant to write a post on the 3 trials going on on my blog. I'd like to use that well-written 2nd paragraph here, Alec, if you don't mind, with attribution, of course.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

  88. @jimmyriddle
    Rittenhouse is in real trouble. His family is rather naive and they have fallen into the hands of a bunch of grifters who are basically looting the huge amounts of money raised for his defence.

    Robert Barnes managed to put together a team that included experts in jury vetting and self defence law, who set aside time to help but they have now been locked out of the case.

    Rittenhouse's defence is in the hands of a couple of incompetent lawyers.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=e7p7xL9IYvk

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Catdog, @Corvinus

    More likely Barnes is the grifter here.

    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Catdog

    Nope. Barnes was calling out Lin Wood when lots of people were giving him money intended for Rittenhouse's bail funds.

    He was proved 100% correct about Wood. And he is being proved correct by the godawful performance of Rittenhouse's lawyers so far.

    The only ray of hope for Kyle is that the prosecutors seem to be equally incompetent.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  89. @Taco
    @Almost Missouri

    The way Minnesota law treats murder is unique (insane) in at least 2 ways:

    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction

    2) a battery on the victim can be the underlying felony in a felony murder conviction

    I’ve never heard of any other jurisdiction where either of the above is true, and had to double check myself in both instances when I saw it reported that way, as I assumed it was a reporting error.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Almost Missouri, @Ben tillman, @jb

    Georgia doesn’t follow the mergeevrule either.

  90. @Taco
    @Almost Missouri

    The way Minnesota law treats murder is unique (insane) in at least 2 ways:

    1) convictions for a lesser included felony don’t merge into the primary conviction

    2) a battery on the victim can be the underlying felony in a felony murder conviction

    I’ve never heard of any other jurisdiction where either of the above is true, and had to double check myself in both instances when I saw it reported that way, as I assumed it was a reporting error.

    Replies: @James N. Kennett, @Almost Missouri, @Ben tillman, @jb

    Yeah, while I have problems with a “murder” charge when the death was clearly unintentional, when I read the jury instructions it clear that all that was necessary here was that the defendant have committed some sort of felony (in this case battery) that contributed to (i.e., was not necessarily the sole cause of) the death of the victim.

    A lot of people here are grimly determined to believe that the sole cause of Floyd’s death was fentanyl, but it’s not at all clear to me that this is true. And frankly I don’t have a lot of sympathy for a cop who continues kneeling on someone’s neck three minutes after his partner says he can’t find a pulse. So while I have a huge problem with the way this case has been used politically, I don’t really have a problem with the verdict itself.

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
    @jb

    Go back and read Andrew Branca's coverage of the trial.

    1) Chauvin was using a standard restraint technique in use of which he had been trained by the MPD. Given Floyd's large size and the menace posed by the growing crowd of worked up hecklers, Chauvin was authorized to use greater force than he did to make the arrest. The prone restraint was therefore not only legal, but it demonstrated measured professionalism on the part of Chauvin.

    2) Chauvin was not kneeling on Floyd's neck for minutes. Even the prosecution did not attempt to argue this. He was kneeling on his shoulder blade. There was no predicate felony.

    3) The burden of proof on the prosecution was to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin caused Floyd's death. Not only was that burden nowhere near met, the Hennepin County medical examiner said that had the circumstances around Floyd's death been unknown to him, based on the toxicology report he would have ruled the death a polypharmacy overdose.

    It was a show trial from start to finish. But the country relearned a valuable lesson that every gangster knows by heart: Credible threats against jurors work.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @jb

  91. @Wilkey
    @Almost Missouri

    According to Snopes, only Rosenbaum was a sex offender. Of course Snopes is incredibly biased, and you have to read through about 1,500 words of editorializing bullshit before getting to the part where it grudgingly acknowledges their criminal records. Huber had attempted to strangle his brother and held his brother and grandmother at knifepoint, but no sex offenses. Grosskreutz’s most serious infraction was a firearms offense while intoxicated.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    I do recall some women coming forward immediately after the shooting and saying Huber and Grosskreutz were girlfriend-beaters/sex-deviants/something-or-others (it’s tough keeping track of all the left’s moral malformities). Maybe that stuff has been scrubbed from the internet in preparation for this week’s Great Show Trial of the Century.

    So given that those things didn’t necessarily result in convictions on adult criminal records, maybe I shoulda written it as “Rittenhouse shot three people and hit three convicted criminals” (as if rioting and arson aren’t criminal enough).

  92. Plemty of interestingly criminal jews out there but rosenbaum aint one. Or at least that’s the best data on him. His name isn’t from a jewish father.

  93. anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    One of the many notable things about Kyle Rittenhouse is this: He manged to do more in a few minutes to protect the citizenry of the United States than the entire US military managed to do during the span of two conflicts lasting 20 years concurrently.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @The Alarmist, @anonymous

    It is amazing, and really works to his favor in court, that the people who Rittenhouse shot were such degenerate low-lifes that the media has not been able to dig up any old photos that make them look wholesome. That is their go-to playbook, like when they plastered the twelve-year-old Travon Martin all over the news, or now with mid-20s Ahmaud’s junior prom photo. You know the networks put an army of reporters and interns on that, but it must be that Rosenbaum never posed for a non-menacing photo in his life.

  94. @sb
    @NickG

    It's reported that the little girl Cleo was found in a locked room which was full of dolls from floor to ceiling .
    The house was in a low SES public housing area which is predominantly aboriginal but rather doubt that this could be called a typical aborigine crime . The perp apparently has been in and out of hospital due to self harm
    Much more to come I'd say but I'd be surprised if he touched her . as they say in court ,inappropriately

    This has been the biggest story in Australia for several weeks . I think in the States it would be a local 24 hours story at best

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/cleo-smith-s-alleged-abductor-had-room-full-of-dolls-20211103-p595ny.html


    [MORE]

    https://thewest.com.au/news/cleo-smith/cleo-smith-found-accused-kidnapper-terence-kelly-pictured-with-childrens-dolls-c-4435997

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @MEH 0910


    Cleo Smith’s alleged abductor collects Bratz dolls and is pictured on social media wearing a shirt with cartoons on it.
     
    The insanity defense appears to be a slam dunk, if they have it in Western Oz.
  95. @Ron Mexico
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I side with Kyle, but the weapon he was protecting was someone else's property, and the building(s) he was "protecting" also belonged to others. His life, yes, his own. As the Macho Man said, "unjustifiably in a position I'd rather not be in..." Good luck to Kyle and his lawyers. Hopefully, "the cream will rise to the top."

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Reg Cæsar, @Pericles, @NOTA

    Rittenhouse seems to have shot those guys in self defense, but I suspect he made the common mistake of letting a gun make him willing to get himself into dangerous situations he’d normally have avoided. I think the same is probably true of George Zimmerman–legit self-defense shooting but better judgement ahead of time might have avoided the whole clusterfuck.

    If carrying a gun makes you take bigger risks than you would without it, there’s a good chance you’re making yourself *less* safe by carrying it. Once you are in a position to shoot someone in self-defense, things have already gone massively, disasterously wrong. The gun is just the piece of emergency equipment you’re using to try to salvage something from the wreckage.

    • Agree: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @NOTA

    I read through this comment several times. There is some profound wisdom in the idea that having a gun can lead to greater risks.

    Add to that — I didn’t grow up with much gun handling. I didn’t know all the rudiments of gun safety. When we stayed overnight with friends or relatives who were hunters, my parents carefully explained that these were people who kept their hunting rifles, unloaded, in locked gun cabinets for safety.

    A gun in the hands of someone who doesn’t practice good gun safety is quite dangerous to that person and the family. There was a case in my town growing up where a kid fatally shot another kid when playing with the guns lying around the house. Also, more than one of my friends died during episodes of depression when guns were around.

    I survived many years as a young adult living in NYC with fast legs, enough strength to get myself out of bad situations and just barely enough common sense to avoid even more dangerous situations. I now live in a place with a very low violent crime rate. I don’t have a gun because I don’t hunt and therefore it would have been more dangerous for my family to have guns around than not. Some of my kids have gone through horrible depressions, but are still alive. Had there been a gun around, maybe not.

    I am certainly not anti gun, but there are people who shouldn’t have guns.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @NOTA

    What's the other choice then, NOTA, everyone cowering inside while their businesses and residences get torched? This young Kyle Rittenhouse was doing a public service trying to protect others' property and lives. Of course, he needed a gun to protect himself. The more of these incidences that happen, the fewer arsons and looting that will go on in the future, with the complicity of local government and law enforcement.

    Same for George Zimmerman. Are you against the idea of Neighborhood Watch? Again, should we all cower inside and call 9-11? BULLSHIT! Take back your country.

    , @bomag
    @NOTA

    Agree with Achmed E. Newman; how far are we going to retreat? Pushback will manifest when the collective protection either doesn't protect or actively attacks us.

    For that matter, Trayvon Martin went out taking more risks than necessary because such thuggery is valorized and rewarded today. Maybe he should have thought twice, but there is little criticism of him relative to the opprobrium that rained down on Zimmerman.

    Likewise the Kenosha rioters were inclined to take more risks because the authorities looked the other way or actively encouraged such behavior. I think they should have enough moral standing to take some criticism.

  96. In other random Halloween news from UK Daily Mail. >>
    Indiana man, 23, is charged with MURDERING trick-or-treater, 13, ‘after shooting into a crowd following argument between his friends and child in a clown mask’
    Desmond Crews, 23, was charged with murder and attempted murder after firing into a group of trick-or-treaters on Halloween. He killed Thomas DeLaCruz Jr and shot another boy, 13, in the leg.

    Desmond Crews, 23, was charged with murder and attempted murder after firing a 9mm semi-automatic gun into a group of trick-or-treaters on Halloween
    He killed Thomas DeLaCruz Jr, 13, and shot another 13-year-old boy in the leg, who was treated at the hospital and later released
    Thomas and his friends were trick-or-treating in Hammond’s Hestville neighborhood, where his grandmother has lived for more than 15 years
    Crews allegedly fired after feeling pressure from the other passengers in the car and thought he shot over the kids’ heads

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10165173/Indiana-man-charged-shooting-dead-13-year-old-firing-gun-crowd-kids.html

  97. @Almost Missouri
    @Taco

    Thanks, that is news to me. But still I must persist. There are lots of quirky local legal customs and incompetently drafted laws, yet prosecutors manage to sidestep them and proceed on a logical common sense basis whenever they please, yet in all these cases (Rittenhouse, Georgia, Chauvin) the prosecutors are leaning into the insane and rotten aspects of the local laws.

    None of these trials should have happened. Having happened, none of them should have been charged as they were. Having been charged, none of them should be (should have been) convicted as charged. But Chauvin got the maximum convictions, and it's not looking too good for the others.

    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alice in Wonderland, @Negrolphin Pool

    None of these trials should have happened

    2 words

    Grand Jury

    In Texas it is pretty likely the Grand Jury would not have indicted.

    A guy here went out and shot a couple of guys robbing his neighbor’s house. That isn’t even legal in Texas. But the Grand Jury would not indict him. So, no trial.

    It is the scum in those places that indicted him.

  98. @That Would Be Telling
    @International Jew


    Maybe the sex offenders were attracted to Rittenhouse’s cherubic face?
     
    "Joseph Rosenbaum died doing what he loved, trying to touch a child."

    I'm not aware that any of the others are or were "sex offenders," while all were convicted felons, Huber was for domestic violence and was up for another round of that, and Grosskreutz "was convicted of a crime for use of a firearm while intoxicated." He's the who made a perfidious (that's a legal concept in war crimes for example) open handed approach to Rittenhouse after Rosenbaum, Mr. Drop Kick, and Huber had tried to kill Rittenhouse, and lost his bicep by pulling his handgun. As best we could tell, Rittenhouse had taken about two seconds to clear his rifle after a malfunction and was a second away from Grosskreutz finishing lining up his handgun with Rittenhouse's head.

    Or a TL;DR: Rittenhouse's gun handling in keeping himself from being murdered was all but miraculous. I've not come across anyone on or off the net including myself who thinks they could have done as well.

    Another thing I forgot to mention, there's now some evidence that the initial shots fired were actually fired at Rittenhouse (handgun from a distance by an "outside agitator," although not sure about the outside bit). This is part of the whole set of split-second events that per the state's indictment ("criminal complaint") ended with Rosenbaum trying to take Rittenhouse's rifle and getting shot as a result. Which is extremely clear cut self-defense as far as we can tell, even more so with the state not being able to demonstrate anything other than bad faith in their investigation and prosecution.

    Replies: @bomag, @Expletive Deleted

    Thanks.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  99. @NOTA
    @Ron Mexico

    Rittenhouse seems to have shot those guys in self defense, but I suspect he made the common mistake of letting a gun make him willing to get himself into dangerous situations he'd normally have avoided. I think the same is probably true of George Zimmerman--legit self-defense shooting but better judgement ahead of time might have avoided the whole clusterfuck.

    If carrying a gun makes you take bigger risks than you would without it, there's a good chance you're making yourself *less* safe by carrying it. Once you are in a position to shoot someone in self-defense, things have already gone massively, disasterously wrong. The gun is just the piece of emergency equipment you're using to try to salvage something from the wreckage.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Achmed E. Newman, @bomag

    I read through this comment several times. There is some profound wisdom in the idea that having a gun can lead to greater risks.

    Add to that — I didn’t grow up with much gun handling. I didn’t know all the rudiments of gun safety. When we stayed overnight with friends or relatives who were hunters, my parents carefully explained that these were people who kept their hunting rifles, unloaded, in locked gun cabinets for safety.

    A gun in the hands of someone who doesn’t practice good gun safety is quite dangerous to that person and the family. There was a case in my town growing up where a kid fatally shot another kid when playing with the guns lying around the house. Also, more than one of my friends died during episodes of depression when guns were around.

    I survived many years as a young adult living in NYC with fast legs, enough strength to get myself out of bad situations and just barely enough common sense to avoid even more dangerous situations. I now live in a place with a very low violent crime rate. I don’t have a gun because I don’t hunt and therefore it would have been more dangerous for my family to have guns around than not. Some of my kids have gone through horrible depressions, but are still alive. Had there been a gun around, maybe not.

    I am certainly not anti gun, but there are people who shouldn’t have guns.

    • Replies: @Farenheit
    @Paleo Liberal


    A gun in the hands of someone who doesn’t practice good gun safety is quite dangerous to that person and the family
     
    .

    Alec Baldwin could not be reached for comment.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Paleo Liberal

    YOU, Mr. Paleo Liberal, are a lot safer in your new neighborhood because many of your neighbors probably DO have guns. Bully for you. Nobody's trying to force people to own any*.


    I am certainly not anti gun, but there are people who shouldn’t have guns.
     
    Kyle Rittenhouse is not one of those people.

    .


    * There was that one county in Georgia long ago, as I recall.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  100. @Jack D
    As for Rosenbaum being Jewish, he ain't. Here's a repost of my comment in the previous thread:

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    Rosenbaum met his biological father only twice and reported that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather on an almost daily basis. When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and meth. Rosenbaum spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation committed on 5 preteen boys when he was 18. He struggled with mental illness. He was homeless on the night he was shot. Earlier that day, he was discharged from a mental hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months. He was still carrying the plastic bag with a stick of deodorant, underwear and socks that they give you when you are discharged – those were his worldly possession. Earlier that day, he visited his “fiancee”*, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. (What are the chances that he didn't stay long enough to have sex with her?) She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

    * Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy. Rosenbaum also had a child with a different woman.

    https://static.miraheze.org/reallifevillainswiki/f/f0/Josephrosenbaum.jpg
    Sometimes humans are like lemon automobiles – they come with such serious factory defects that the best thing to do is to recycle them and start over.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Johann Ricke, @Johann Ricke, @Redmen, @Couch scientist, @Paperback Writer

    None of this information about Rosenbaum will be admissible at Rittenhouse’s trial. But Jeffrey Toobin is upset that the prosecution can’t call Rosenbaum a “victim.”

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
    @Redmen

    Toobin is also upset that he can't be paid to masturbate on camera the way a pornstar does.

    , @David In TN
    @Redmen

    "But Jeffrey 'I had never heard of the Zebra Murders' Toobin is upset that the prosecution can't call Rosenbaum a 'victim.'"

    Well, he would be wouldn't he?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Redmen

    I think some of it was. Not being a lawyer, and not watching the live stream, I don't know exactly what was admissible and what wasn't - but some was.

    Some of Anthony Huber's ugly background was read into the record. The state produced a relative to testify to his sterling, peacemaking character, but I saw a clip of the defense atty reading into the record that Huber had held a knife to his brother's stomach and threatened to "gut him like a pig." Again, not sure if this was as a result of questioning.

    It's pretty interesting how unbelievably f'd up both decedents were. Grosskreutz was no prize either. What are the chances a random sample of men on any random street would produce so many bad characters?

  101. @Jack D
    As for Rosenbaum being Jewish, he ain't. Here's a repost of my comment in the previous thread:

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    Rosenbaum met his biological father only twice and reported that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather on an almost daily basis. When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and meth. Rosenbaum spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation committed on 5 preteen boys when he was 18. He struggled with mental illness. He was homeless on the night he was shot. Earlier that day, he was discharged from a mental hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months. He was still carrying the plastic bag with a stick of deodorant, underwear and socks that they give you when you are discharged – those were his worldly possession. Earlier that day, he visited his “fiancee”*, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. (What are the chances that he didn't stay long enough to have sex with her?) She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

    * Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy. Rosenbaum also had a child with a different woman.

    https://static.miraheze.org/reallifevillainswiki/f/f0/Josephrosenbaum.jpg
    Sometimes humans are like lemon automobiles – they come with such serious factory defects that the best thing to do is to recycle them and start over.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Johann Ricke, @Johann Ricke, @Redmen, @Couch scientist, @Paperback Writer

    Also, it appears that Regina Rosenbaum was pregnant with Joseph when she testified at the trial of the alleged Lake Waco murderer, David Spence.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lake_Waco_murders

    There was allegedly a lot funny business in that prosecution, including that jail house snitches were allegedly given conjugal visits in return for their testimony.

    https://www.crimewatchers.net/threads/1982-lake-waco-murders.211/

    Lots of questions come to mind. Who is Joseph Rosenbaum’s biological father? Who got conjugal visits? What was Regina Rosenbaum doing in the alleged killer’s apartment and why would he confess to her?

    https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1266438.html

    A few weeks after the murders, he told Regina Ann Rosenbaum and others present in his apartment that he had taken some girls to Lake Waco and raped them;  no other similar crime was reported to police.

  102. One thing to keep in mind.

    I don’t know if this kid should be convicted or not. That is for the jury to decide.

    What I do know:

    It appears that the judge is the single most experienced county judge in the entire state of Wisconsin. Judges are elected to 10 year terms and this guy appears to be ready to retire afterwards.

    The judge appears to want to have a fair trial, and appears not to be cowed by the media. It appears he is doing everything possible to avoid even the shadow of an appearance of an unfair trial.

    So we shall see what happens.

  103. I don’t remember hearing if it was a grand jury that indicted Rittenhouse. I thought that was a US constitutional right.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Ralph L


    I don’t remember hearing if it was a grand jury that indicted Rittenhouse. I thought that was a US constitutional right.
     
    Welcome to the Supreme Court's wonderful "selective incorporation" doctrine for using the 14th Amendment to enforce only what they want on the states. See the above comment by Alice in Wonderland on Texas, which as far as I know is the only state in the nation which requires an grand jury to OK a serious felony prosecution.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  104. @Almost Missouri
    @Taco

    Thanks, that is news to me. But still I must persist. There are lots of quirky local legal customs and incompetently drafted laws, yet prosecutors manage to sidestep them and proceed on a logical common sense basis whenever they please, yet in all these cases (Rittenhouse, Georgia, Chauvin) the prosecutors are leaning into the insane and rotten aspects of the local laws.

    None of these trials should have happened. Having happened, none of them should have been charged as they were. Having been charged, none of them should be (should have been) convicted as charged. But Chauvin got the maximum convictions, and it's not looking too good for the others.

    So I have to repeat my prior comment. Total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work.

    Replies: @bomag, @That Would Be Telling, @Alice in Wonderland, @Negrolphin Pool

    The middle two, when credible, are far more effective.

  105. Next to these Armenians, the Kardashians look good:

    Kenosha Mayor Who Let City Burn Has Surrogate In Rittenhouse Courtroom

    There was a time when Armenian-Americans were more wholesome:

    [MORE]

  106. @Wilkey
    @AndrewR


    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.
     
    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their own relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, but lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a hunch that a guy is weird or insane, whether accurate or not. Women are more likely to dismiss a man by saying he is “weird” or “creepy” than by calling him “ugly.” Yes., sometimes those are just euphemisms for ugly, but not usually.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Negrolphin Pool, @anon, @HammerJack

    You’re arguing that women are unique among sexually reproducing species in not taking salient genetic fitness markers into account when selecting a mate. AndrewR’s points are spot on, backed by most available evidence. One such fact is the well-known and tremendous disparities in female vs male matches on dating apps, with 80% of women vying for roughly the top 15-20% of men and men below the 80th percentile having scarce success, rapidly dwindling to nothing as one falls down the ratings scale.

    Hypergamy in human females appears to be both strong and real, with some studies concluding that as many as 90% of males failed to reproduce prior to the advent of civilization. Remove the constraints on female sexuality, and it quickly reverts to precivilizational norms, with the predictable consequences — almost all real economic activity is performed by mate-seeking men — being most unfortunate.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  107. If Kyle Rittenhouse gets convicted after he was physically assaulted while he was on the ground, then I guess no one has a right to protect themselves. Same thing for the Defendant’s in the Arbery case; the shooter was physically assaulted.

  108. @MEH 0910
    @sb

    https://www.watoday.com.au/national/cleo-smith-s-alleged-abductor-had-room-full-of-dolls-20211103-p595ny.html
    https://twitter.com/WAtoday/status/1456183132999217154

    https://thewest.com.au/news/cleo-smith/cleo-smith-found-accused-kidnapper-terence-kelly-pictured-with-childrens-dolls-c-4435997
    https://twitter.com/westaustralian/status/1456205084438769669

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Cleo Smith’s alleged abductor collects Bratz dolls and is pictured on social media wearing a shirt with cartoons on it.

    The insanity defense appears to be a slam dunk, if they have it in Western Oz.

  109. @jb
    @Taco

    Yeah, while I have problems with a "murder" charge when the death was clearly unintentional, when I read the jury instructions it clear that all that was necessary here was that the defendant have committed some sort of felony (in this case battery) that contributed to (i.e., was not necessarily the sole cause of) the death of the victim.

    A lot of people here are grimly determined to believe that the sole cause of Floyd's death was fentanyl, but it's not at all clear to me that this is true. And frankly I don't have a lot of sympathy for a cop who continues kneeling on someone's neck three minutes after his partner says he can't find a pulse. So while I have a huge problem with the way this case has been used politically, I don't really have a problem with the verdict itself.

    Replies: @Negrolphin Pool

    Go back and read Andrew Branca’s coverage of the trial.

    1) Chauvin was using a standard restraint technique in use of which he had been trained by the MPD. Given Floyd’s large size and the menace posed by the growing crowd of worked up hecklers, Chauvin was authorized to use greater force than he did to make the arrest. The prone restraint was therefore not only legal, but it demonstrated measured professionalism on the part of Chauvin.

    2) Chauvin was not kneeling on Floyd’s neck for minutes. Even the prosecution did not attempt to argue this. He was kneeling on his shoulder blade. There was no predicate felony.

    3) The burden of proof on the prosecution was to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin caused Floyd’s death. Not only was that burden nowhere near met, the Hennepin County medical examiner said that had the circumstances around Floyd’s death been unknown to him, based on the toxicology report he would have ruled the death a polypharmacy overdose.

    It was a show trial from start to finish. But the country relearned a valuable lesson that every gangster knows by heart: Credible threats against jurors work.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Thanks: bomag, West reanimator
    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Negrolphin Pool


    But [from the Chauvin trial] the country relearned a valuable lesson that every gangster knows by heart: Credible threats against jurors work.
     
    And to underline that, at the beginning of this month the judge released the names of all of the jurors and alternates "along with their jury questionnaires" after a petition by the media.
    , @jb
    @Negrolphin Pool

    I'm not relying on partisan commentators (I read plenty of them, but you can always find an opinion to reinforce your own prejudices), I actually watched much of the trial, and it did not look like a show trial to me. The prosecution presented expert witnesses who testified that Chauvin did in fact contribute to Floyd's death (whether he was kneeling on the neck or shoulder is irrelevant), and the jury found that testimony credible (as did I). That's how trials work. I can see some grounds for appeal (I do think the venue should have been changed), but the fact that the jury didn't reach the verdict you would have had them reach does not make it a show trial.

    And I'd still like to hear a good excuse for continuing to kneel on a man who is handcuffed and unconscious for three minutes after your partner says he can't find a pulse! You got one? I'm listening! Chauvin was being an asshole cop, and someone died while he was doing that. If everyone involved had been white and there had been no publicity I still think it's likely he would have been convicted.

  110. @Catdog
    @jimmyriddle

    More likely Barnes is the grifter here.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    Nope. Barnes was calling out Lin Wood when lots of people were giving him money intended for Rittenhouse’s bail funds.

    He was proved 100% correct about Wood. And he is being proved correct by the godawful performance of Rittenhouse’s lawyers so far.

    The only ray of hope for Kyle is that the prosecutors seem to be equally incompetent.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @jimmyriddle

    “He was proved 100% correct about Wood.“

    You mean Trump’s attorney? I thought he was to be trusted. What changed?

  111. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    One of the things that starches me about the Rittenhouse affair is that it was common knowledge at the time that the political leadership of Kenosha had ordered law enforcement to stand down and not interfere in ongoing rioting and widespread criminality. In fact, law enforcement could be observed simply observing serial felonies without response.

    The government withdrew law from Kenosha and in so doing gave the message "you're on your own." It's not vigilantism when the authorities abdicate from their offices and cede their monopoly on violence to a mob.

    It seems really unjust for the government to have left Kenosha to the tender mercies of violent rioting felons, in effect deputizing them, and then to come back after the fact and prosecute a single transaction as criminal in the context of utter lawlessness acquiesced to if not engineered by that same government. The left's paramilitaries were clearly given the green light to destroy, batter and worse, but then the architects of the madness get outraged when a few of their pets get killed or maimed while descending upon innocents like a pack of hyenas.

    Kyle Rittenhouse is one of many political prisoners in 2021 America.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    One of the things that starches me about the Rittenhouse affair is that it was common knowledge at the time that the political leadership of Kenosha had ordered law enforcement to stand down and not interfere in ongoing rioting and widespread criminality.

    This went so far as to their refusing to take Rittenhouse into custody when he finally made it to their line to, by that point, surrender since he’d shot at least three people, perhaps all but the first in their view. Had to go home and turned himself into the local police department.

  112. @Ralph L
    I don't remember hearing if it was a grand jury that indicted Rittenhouse. I thought that was a US constitutional right.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    I don’t remember hearing if it was a grand jury that indicted Rittenhouse. I thought that was a US constitutional right.

    Welcome to the Supreme Court’s wonderful “selective incorporation” doctrine for using the 14th Amendment to enforce only what they want on the states. See the above comment by Alice in Wonderland on Texas, which as far as I know is the only state in the nation which requires an grand jury to OK a serious felony prosecution.

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @That Would Be Telling

    Legal professionals don't like the democratic, judicial institution for ordinary folks, i.e. the GJ. They don't want some nobody, who feels himself victim of a crime, being able to go to an independent, regularly convened GJ in order to seek justice. They want him to go through the politically controlled police department, DA's office, and all the other layers of the criminal justice bureaucracy.

    I'm following how the left-wing DA proceeds in the Rust shooting case. Had the relevant language of the original, NM State Constitution (1911) still been in effect, the matter would be exclusively in the hands of a GJ. Since 1924 (it didn't take the lawyers long to get an amendment) the lawyer-DA has had the authority to indict, or not. If he feels like it.

    The NM constitution gives voters the power to (petition to force a superior court judge to) convene a GJ. Originally, only (at most) 75 signatures [registereds in the county] were required. Over the years, the lawyers have managed to UP the bar to (minimum) 2% of registereds; in Santa Fe County, that's ~2,150 closely scrutinized names. If the GOPs submit a petition, look for the lawyers to work to repeal that now-weakly democratic provision.

  113. @HammerJack
    https://i.ibb.co/d0NvcYg/Screenshot-20211103-195129-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Just never know who your new neighbors are

    Replies: @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @Sick of Orcs, @Polistra

    Hammer, was he an aspirinug rapper?

  114. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    Donald Trump made many mistakes during his presidency, but one of the most egregious is not pardoning Kyle Rittenhouse.

    This kid, like Chauvin, will be sacrificed to gods of Wokeness, like the innocents on the top of Aztec pyramid.

    This is all beyond awful

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Reg Cæsar, @Gordo, @Half Canadian

    Kyle will not be found guilty. The whole case will fall apart.

  115. @Negrolphin Pool
    @jb

    Go back and read Andrew Branca's coverage of the trial.

    1) Chauvin was using a standard restraint technique in use of which he had been trained by the MPD. Given Floyd's large size and the menace posed by the growing crowd of worked up hecklers, Chauvin was authorized to use greater force than he did to make the arrest. The prone restraint was therefore not only legal, but it demonstrated measured professionalism on the part of Chauvin.

    2) Chauvin was not kneeling on Floyd's neck for minutes. Even the prosecution did not attempt to argue this. He was kneeling on his shoulder blade. There was no predicate felony.

    3) The burden of proof on the prosecution was to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin caused Floyd's death. Not only was that burden nowhere near met, the Hennepin County medical examiner said that had the circumstances around Floyd's death been unknown to him, based on the toxicology report he would have ruled the death a polypharmacy overdose.

    It was a show trial from start to finish. But the country relearned a valuable lesson that every gangster knows by heart: Credible threats against jurors work.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @jb

    But [from the Chauvin trial] the country relearned a valuable lesson that every gangster knows by heart: Credible threats against jurors work.

    And to underline that, at the beginning of this month the judge released the names of all of the jurors and alternates “along with their jury questionnaires” after a petition by the media.

    • Thanks: HammerJack
  116. @International Jew
    "Trial of the century" connotes some humorous angle — the OJ trial for instance. Unfortunately, when it comes to the Rittenhouse and McMichaels trials, all I feel is sadness and anger.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    IJ, OJ showed up at the Bills game on Sunday and mingled with the parking lot crowd….weird,

  117. @Redmen
    @Jack D

    None of this information about Rosenbaum will be admissible at Rittenhouse's trial. But Jeffrey Toobin is upset that the prosecution can't call Rosenbaum a "victim."

    Replies: @Patrick McNally, @David In TN, @Paperback Writer

    Toobin is also upset that he can’t be paid to masturbate on camera the way a pornstar does.

  118. @Father O'Hara
    The blacks are angry! They wanted more blacketty blacks on the Kyle jury,so,obviously, it would be a sure thing to find his white ass guilty.
    Blacks shouldn't be on juries;they have clearly and openly rejected our justice system.

    Replies: @Fhjjjkjcdddbb, @AceDeuce

    Yes, blacks are crying foul in the arbery trial, claiming racism for barring racist blacks from serving on the jury just because they presume the defendants guilty by reason of whiteness.

  119. @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Here's how I read the is-Jewish probabilities:

    Rosenbaum 90%
    Grosskreutz 5%
    Huber 1%
    Rittenhouse 10%

    Replies: @Jack D, @Fhjjjkjcdddbb, @Mayfield Ave

    I’m pretty sure Rosenbaum is the only confirmed Jew, but Huber seems likely. I wonder how likely it is for someone named “Big Cross” to be Jewish.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Fhjjjkjcdddbb

    After all, whoever heard of anybody in Wisconsin ever being a gentile German?

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

  120. @jimmyriddle
    Rittenhouse is in real trouble. His family is rather naive and they have fallen into the hands of a bunch of grifters who are basically looting the huge amounts of money raised for his defence.

    Robert Barnes managed to put together a team that included experts in jury vetting and self defence law, who set aside time to help but they have now been locked out of the case.

    Rittenhouse's defence is in the hands of a couple of incompetent lawyers.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=e7p7xL9IYvk

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Catdog, @Corvinus

    “Rittenhouse is in real trouble.“

    The Anti-Gnostic is a lawyer. Rittenhouse should get in touch with him. That case is more likely to have a successful self defense argument compared to the Georgia case. And then you have the low T men here you wish they had the guts to pull a St. Brievik, I mean, a Rittenhouse. Maybe someday when the Orcs invade the shire….

  121. @Fhjjjkjcdddbb
    @International Jew

    I’m pretty sure Rosenbaum is the only confirmed Jew, but Huber seems likely. I wonder how likely it is for someone named “Big Cross” to be Jewish.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    After all, whoever heard of anybody in Wisconsin ever being a gentile German?

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @Steve Sailer

    Not...SARCASM!

  122. @jimmyriddle
    @Catdog

    Nope. Barnes was calling out Lin Wood when lots of people were giving him money intended for Rittenhouse's bail funds.

    He was proved 100% correct about Wood. And he is being proved correct by the godawful performance of Rittenhouse's lawyers so far.

    The only ray of hope for Kyle is that the prosecutors seem to be equally incompetent.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “He was proved 100% correct about Wood.“

    You mean Trump’s attorney? I thought he was to be trusted. What changed?

  123. @Paleo Liberal
    @NOTA

    I read through this comment several times. There is some profound wisdom in the idea that having a gun can lead to greater risks.

    Add to that — I didn’t grow up with much gun handling. I didn’t know all the rudiments of gun safety. When we stayed overnight with friends or relatives who were hunters, my parents carefully explained that these were people who kept their hunting rifles, unloaded, in locked gun cabinets for safety.

    A gun in the hands of someone who doesn’t practice good gun safety is quite dangerous to that person and the family. There was a case in my town growing up where a kid fatally shot another kid when playing with the guns lying around the house. Also, more than one of my friends died during episodes of depression when guns were around.

    I survived many years as a young adult living in NYC with fast legs, enough strength to get myself out of bad situations and just barely enough common sense to avoid even more dangerous situations. I now live in a place with a very low violent crime rate. I don’t have a gun because I don’t hunt and therefore it would have been more dangerous for my family to have guns around than not. Some of my kids have gone through horrible depressions, but are still alive. Had there been a gun around, maybe not.

    I am certainly not anti gun, but there are people who shouldn’t have guns.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Achmed E. Newman

    A gun in the hands of someone who doesn’t practice good gun safety is quite dangerous to that person and the family

    .

    Alec Baldwin could not be reached for comment.

    • LOL: acementhead
    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    @Farenheit

    https://i.ibb.co/tBVVYZL/alec-baldwin.jpg

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Achmed E. Newman

  124. @AndrewR
    @Dan

    I'm no lawyer but I don't think any reasonable person could think that the Georgia guys had any desire to kill Arbery. They brought the guns for defense the same way a cop does. 99.99% of interactions between cops and citizens end peacefully. Arbery would unquestionably be alive if he had just surrendered and waited for the cops instead of committing suicide by good ol' boy.

    Replies: @Anon, @David In TN, @V. Hickel

    If the “Georgia guys” had asked my advice before they confronted the “jogger,” I would have told them: “Have you considered what will happen if he resists and you have to shoot him?”

  125. @Redmen
    @Jack D

    None of this information about Rosenbaum will be admissible at Rittenhouse's trial. But Jeffrey Toobin is upset that the prosecution can't call Rosenbaum a "victim."

    Replies: @Patrick McNally, @David In TN, @Paperback Writer

    “But Jeffrey ‘I had never heard of the Zebra Murders’ Toobin is upset that the prosecution can’t call Rosenbaum a ‘victim.’”

    Well, he would be wouldn’t he?

    • LOL: Hibernian
    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @David In TN


    “But Jeffrey ‘I had never heard of the Zebra Murders’ Toobin is upset that the prosecution can’t call Rosenbaum a ‘victim.’”
     
    This was covered by Andrew Branca in his Legal Insurrection coverage of the pre-trial proceedings. The prosecution isn't allowed to use the word "victim" for any of the people they are claiming to be victims of Rittenhouse because that presumes the verdict.

    His lawyers are the only ones allowed to call him Kyle because it's assumed they have a personal relationship with him unlike the prosecution, and "The judge also ruled the defense could use the words “arsonists," "looters," or "rioters” to describe the people who were shot, provided they can prove those people were indeed arsonists, looters, or rioters." That link reports on the judge denouncing Toobin by name for his comments.

    [Insert tasteless joke] about why Toobin is still even being allowed to pontificate on "TV." One also wonders why this shameless Jew is so worked up about this case.
  126. @HammerJack
    https://i.ibb.co/d0NvcYg/Screenshot-20211103-195129-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Just never know who your new neighbors are

    Replies: @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @Sick of Orcs, @Polistra

    He sure looks like a Rodriguez.

    P.S. Kiss Army?

  127. @David In TN
    @Redmen

    "But Jeffrey 'I had never heard of the Zebra Murders' Toobin is upset that the prosecution can't call Rosenbaum a 'victim.'"

    Well, he would be wouldn't he?

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    “But Jeffrey ‘I had never heard of the Zebra Murders’ Toobin is upset that the prosecution can’t call Rosenbaum a ‘victim.’”

    This was covered by Andrew Branca in his Legal Insurrection coverage of the pre-trial proceedings. The prosecution isn’t allowed to use the word “victim” for any of the people they are claiming to be victims of Rittenhouse because that presumes the verdict.

    His lawyers are the only ones allowed to call him Kyle because it’s assumed they have a personal relationship with him unlike the prosecution, and “The judge also ruled the defense could use the words “arsonists,” “looters,” or “rioters” to describe the people who were shot, provided they can prove those people were indeed arsonists, looters, or rioters.” That link reports on the judge denouncing Toobin by name for his comments.

    [Insert tasteless joke] about why Toobin is still even being allowed to pontificate on “TV.” One also wonders why this shameless Jew is so worked up about this case.

  128. It is the essence of both situations. If you grab for the loaded firearm of any other man you are very likely to be shot. If the firearm in question is an AR-15 you are very likely to die as well. This truth is outside any question of right or wrong, it is an undeniable fact.

    The conviction of these white men would then open the doorway for more prosecutions of other white men when they respond accordingly in a similar situation. No real surprise given the current state of our very sick Nation. Their prosecution is an attempt at a modern day lynching. White men are now a targeted population by leftist authorities in the country built, almost solely, by our white ancestors, men and women.

    We do not need constitutional rights to defend ourselves. The right to self defense is God given not a gift from men.

    If there is any justice left in our increasingly perverted legal system all parties suffering under this persecution will be acquitted. We’ll see.

  129. @AndrewR
    @Dan

    I'm no lawyer but I don't think any reasonable person could think that the Georgia guys had any desire to kill Arbery. They brought the guns for defense the same way a cop does. 99.99% of interactions between cops and citizens end peacefully. Arbery would unquestionably be alive if he had just surrendered and waited for the cops instead of committing suicide by good ol' boy.

    Replies: @Anon, @David In TN, @V. Hickel

    or turned right and kept jogging

  130. @Ebony Obelisk
    They will both be found guilty because they broke the law and caused situations of death.

    The tears of racists and fascists will be delicious?

    Replies: @duncsbaby, @Adam Smith

    “situations of death…”

    Lol…

  131. @Farenheit
    @Paleo Liberal


    A gun in the hands of someone who doesn’t practice good gun safety is quite dangerous to that person and the family
     
    .

    Alec Baldwin could not be reached for comment.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Adam Smith

    https://i.ibb.co/6HXyD6f/Screenshot-20211105-015901-Firefox.jpg

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Adam Smith

    Thanks for this one, Adam (it'll just HAVE TO appear on PS) and also your info. on Kennesaw, Georgia.

  132. @Father O'Hara
    The blacks are angry! They wanted more blacketty blacks on the Kyle jury,so,obviously, it would be a sure thing to find his white ass guilty.
    Blacks shouldn't be on juries;they have clearly and openly rejected our justice system.

    Replies: @Fhjjjkjcdddbb, @AceDeuce

    Blacks shouldn’t be on juries;they have clearly and openly rejected our justice system.

    They’ve “clearly and openly rejected” a hell of a lot more than just that–forget juries-they shouldn’t be in this country.

  133. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Rooster111


    The Rittenhouse trial immediately conjures up vitriolic comments from the left, the likes of only mentioning Trump have elicited thus far. I’m not sure if it’s because deep down they know Kyle was in the right, they secretly admire him, or he’s been about the only national figure that’s physically stood up to them.
     
    The 2020 Summer Riots were, in their minds, righteous expressions (some call them "uprisings") and clear threat displays made with the intent of showing their adversaries that their violence is above the law. They demonstrated that the powers that be would not hesitate to loose street thugs on their adversaries and would withdraw police protection.

    But Rittenhouse represents something that weighs on their minds in their constant insurgency against Americans. Rittenhouse is proof of concept - there are literally tens of millions of rifles and hundreds of millions of cartridges in the hands of their adversaries, many of whom are combat veterans of the elites' meat-grinder foreign wars of adventure. One literal cherub-faced boy with a rifle turned back a pack of their street paramilitaries who were in the process of lynching him. Imagine what ten trained and experienced men with rifles could have done. They want to lynch Rittenhouse now by corrupting the law because they're pissed that he blew up their intimidation display in under a minute. They have to get him pour encourager les autres.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    I’d meant to write a post on the 3 trials going on on my blog. I’d like to use that well-written 2nd paragraph here, Alec, if you don’t mind, with attribution, of course.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Go for it. Give us a link when you do.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  134. @Wilkey
    @AndrewR


    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.
     
    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their own relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, but lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a hunch that a guy is weird or insane, whether accurate or not. Women are more likely to dismiss a man by saying he is “weird” or “creepy” than by calling him “ugly.” Yes., sometimes those are just euphemisms for ugly, but not usually.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Negrolphin Pool, @anon, @HammerJack

    Women are attracted to men who display confidence. An Incel male has to overcome a baffling intangible. Whereas any young female with a pleasing figure will attract admirers.

  135. @NOTA
    @Ron Mexico

    Rittenhouse seems to have shot those guys in self defense, but I suspect he made the common mistake of letting a gun make him willing to get himself into dangerous situations he'd normally have avoided. I think the same is probably true of George Zimmerman--legit self-defense shooting but better judgement ahead of time might have avoided the whole clusterfuck.

    If carrying a gun makes you take bigger risks than you would without it, there's a good chance you're making yourself *less* safe by carrying it. Once you are in a position to shoot someone in self-defense, things have already gone massively, disasterously wrong. The gun is just the piece of emergency equipment you're using to try to salvage something from the wreckage.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Achmed E. Newman, @bomag

    What’s the other choice then, NOTA, everyone cowering inside while their businesses and residences get torched? This young Kyle Rittenhouse was doing a public service trying to protect others’ property and lives. Of course, he needed a gun to protect himself. The more of these incidences that happen, the fewer arsons and looting that will go on in the future, with the complicity of local government and law enforcement.

    Same for George Zimmerman. Are you against the idea of Neighborhood Watch? Again, should we all cower inside and call 9-11? BULLSHIT! Take back your country.

  136. @Paleo Liberal
    @NOTA

    I read through this comment several times. There is some profound wisdom in the idea that having a gun can lead to greater risks.

    Add to that — I didn’t grow up with much gun handling. I didn’t know all the rudiments of gun safety. When we stayed overnight with friends or relatives who were hunters, my parents carefully explained that these were people who kept their hunting rifles, unloaded, in locked gun cabinets for safety.

    A gun in the hands of someone who doesn’t practice good gun safety is quite dangerous to that person and the family. There was a case in my town growing up where a kid fatally shot another kid when playing with the guns lying around the house. Also, more than one of my friends died during episodes of depression when guns were around.

    I survived many years as a young adult living in NYC with fast legs, enough strength to get myself out of bad situations and just barely enough common sense to avoid even more dangerous situations. I now live in a place with a very low violent crime rate. I don’t have a gun because I don’t hunt and therefore it would have been more dangerous for my family to have guns around than not. Some of my kids have gone through horrible depressions, but are still alive. Had there been a gun around, maybe not.

    I am certainly not anti gun, but there are people who shouldn’t have guns.

    Replies: @Farenheit, @Achmed E. Newman

    YOU, Mr. Paleo Liberal, are a lot safer in your new neighborhood because many of your neighbors probably DO have guns. Bully for you. Nobody’s trying to force people to own any*.

    I am certainly not anti gun, but there are people who shouldn’t have guns.

    Kyle Rittenhouse is not one of those people.

    .

    * There was that one county in Georgia long ago, as I recall.

  137. @bomag
    @HammerJack

    Confessed to 14 murders; sentenced to 35 yrs.; served about half of it; was in his old neighborhood in Harlem when shot; 55 yrs old. Seems to have been a midlife/later life crisis where he was getting on the backside of life and was making another run at the juice.

    Replies: @HammerJack

    Only 14 murders? Well shame on me for being judgmental. Why, he’s just the sort of person I want the authorities using to de-segregate my neighborhood.

    Always fun to use unsuspecting tenants and other nearby residents as guinea pigs for your sociology experiments.

    Of course admitting to 14 murders means he probably committed around 50. As when they admit to 14 kids by six baby mamas.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @HammerJack

    Rather remarkable body count. I'm sure the apologist will insist that it is an extreme case; most such people only kill 5 or 6.

    Also remarkable that I'm not particularly surprised that our rulers are anxious to put him next door to me and mine in the name of making the world a better place.

  138. @That Would Be Telling
    @Ralph L


    I don’t remember hearing if it was a grand jury that indicted Rittenhouse. I thought that was a US constitutional right.
     
    Welcome to the Supreme Court's wonderful "selective incorporation" doctrine for using the 14th Amendment to enforce only what they want on the states. See the above comment by Alice in Wonderland on Texas, which as far as I know is the only state in the nation which requires an grand jury to OK a serious felony prosecution.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    Legal professionals don’t like the democratic, judicial institution for ordinary folks, i.e. the GJ. They don’t want some nobody, who feels himself victim of a crime, being able to go to an independent, regularly convened GJ in order to seek justice. They want him to go through the politically controlled police department, DA’s office, and all the other layers of the criminal justice bureaucracy.

    I’m following how the left-wing DA proceeds in the Rust shooting case. Had the relevant language of the original, NM State Constitution (1911) still been in effect, the matter would be exclusively in the hands of a GJ. Since 1924 (it didn’t take the lawyers long to get an amendment) the lawyer-DA has had the authority to indict, or not. If he feels like it.

    [MORE]

    The NM constitution gives voters the power to (petition to force a superior court judge to) convene a GJ. Originally, only (at most) 75 signatures [registereds in the county] were required. Over the years, the lawyers have managed to UP the bar to (minimum) 2% of registereds; in Santa Fe County, that’s ~2,150 closely scrutinized names. If the GOPs submit a petition, look for the lawyers to work to repeal that now-weakly democratic provision.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  139. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Paleo Liberal

    YOU, Mr. Paleo Liberal, are a lot safer in your new neighborhood because many of your neighbors probably DO have guns. Bully for you. Nobody's trying to force people to own any*.


    I am certainly not anti gun, but there are people who shouldn’t have guns.
     
    Kyle Rittenhouse is not one of those people.

    .


    * There was that one county in Georgia long ago, as I recall.

    Replies: @Adam Smith

  140. @Wilkey
    @AndrewR


    What is entirely indisputable that most women have ridiculously high expectations. With few exceptions, a female 5 these days won’t even consider a male 5, and often not even a male 7.
     
    I doubt this. In general I think most women are much better judging their own relative attractiveness than men are. Women spend much of their lives being noticed or not being noticed, and noticing how much attention they attract relative to their friends. Women also tend not to place quite as much importance on appearance. What turns women off to incels isn’t appearance, but lack of motivation, low testosterone, or a hunch that a guy is weird or insane, whether accurate or not. Women are more likely to dismiss a man by saying he is “weird” or “creepy” than by calling him “ugly.” Yes., sometimes those are just euphemisms for ugly, but not usually.

    And, in general, it’s men who have the bigger problem making a commitment, not women. Women, who file for -70% of divorces, have a bigger problem keeping the commitment.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @Negrolphin Pool, @anon, @HammerJack

    https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/

    The infamous OKcupid study showing that men tend to reach a bit, but women think that 80% of men are below average. Of course it may be the infamous math thing.

    • Thanks: The Wild Geese Howard
  141. @That Would Be Telling
    @International Jew


    Maybe the sex offenders were attracted to Rittenhouse’s cherubic face?
     
    "Joseph Rosenbaum died doing what he loved, trying to touch a child."

    I'm not aware that any of the others are or were "sex offenders," while all were convicted felons, Huber was for domestic violence and was up for another round of that, and Grosskreutz "was convicted of a crime for use of a firearm while intoxicated." He's the who made a perfidious (that's a legal concept in war crimes for example) open handed approach to Rittenhouse after Rosenbaum, Mr. Drop Kick, and Huber had tried to kill Rittenhouse, and lost his bicep by pulling his handgun. As best we could tell, Rittenhouse had taken about two seconds to clear his rifle after a malfunction and was a second away from Grosskreutz finishing lining up his handgun with Rittenhouse's head.

    Or a TL;DR: Rittenhouse's gun handling in keeping himself from being murdered was all but miraculous. I've not come across anyone on or off the net including myself who thinks they could have done as well.

    Another thing I forgot to mention, there's now some evidence that the initial shots fired were actually fired at Rittenhouse (handgun from a distance by an "outside agitator," although not sure about the outside bit). This is part of the whole set of split-second events that per the state's indictment ("criminal complaint") ended with Rosenbaum trying to take Rittenhouse's rifle and getting shot as a result. Which is extremely clear cut self-defense as far as we can tell, even more so with the state not being able to demonstrate anything other than bad faith in their investigation and prosecution.

    Replies: @bomag, @Expletive Deleted

    some evidence that the initial shots fired were actually fired at Rittenhouse (handgun from a distance by an “outside agitator,” although not sure about the outside bit)

    “Gun Hobo” [Ziminski a.k.a. Alex Blaine] was charged.
    And let off, less than three weeks ago. All charges dropped. Apparently the gun was stolen from his home the dog ate his homework. “Oh well, then you are free to go sir”.

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/man-charged-with-firing-handgun-in-air-before-kenosha-shootings/
    https://concealednation.org/2020/10/charges-dropped-against-first-kenosha-shooter-who-fired-into-air/

    The whole thing can be seen (fuzzily) on Regg Inkagnedo’s stream, including the muzzle flash, if it hasn’t been memory-holed. That lad Regg gets tha Cawntint all right, even if he missed the fatal melee in the road further on because of his gimp knee or something.
    And Mr Z does get a mention or two on the trial coverage stream, witnesses on the stand also consistently noted the shot immediately preceding Kyle’s ones.

    Oh and, the judge and his crew are having Subway tomorrow lunchtime.
    He was quite sure about that at least.

  142. @Adam Smith
    @Farenheit

    https://i.ibb.co/tBVVYZL/alec-baldwin.jpg

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Achmed E. Newman

    • Thanks: Adam Smith
  143. @Taco
    @James N. Kennett

    Kind of. Generally, the charges wouldn’t be mutually exclusive, but if convicted of more than one they would “merge” into one conviction.

    Chauvin was charged with manslaughter, depraved heart murder, and felony murder. All 3 require the same guilty act — the unlawful killing of another person — but have different mental requirements. Manslaughter requires proving the defendant acted with criminal negligence, depraved heart requires wanton indifference to the safety of others, and felony murder requires that the death have occurred during the commission of a violent felony.

    It is normal for prosecutors to include the lesser charges. If they can’t convince a jury that the defendant committed the most heinous crime, they might still meet all the elements of the lesser crime.

    However, in almost every jurisdiction, a conviction on the more heinous counts will erase any simultaneous convictions on the lesser charges. In any other state Chauvin’s felony murder conviction would have subsumed his lesser convictions and he would not have been sentenced for all 3.

    The way Minnesota does it seems crazy to me.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    “… depraved heart requires wanton indifference to the safety of others ..”

    Chauvin’s conviction here is likely to be reversed as the Minnesota Supreme Court recently reiterated that this charge is inapplicable when a single person is targeted. But this won’t do Chauvin a lot of good because he was convicted on the other counts as well.

  144. @Catdog
    @AndrewR

    I've tried to set up a young woman I know with a med school student I know. He's 6'5" and rich off crypto. She said she's not interested, and keeps serial dating tindr swamp creaures instead. Incredible!

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Pathetic. He deserves much better.

  145. @Adam Smith
    @Farenheit

    https://i.ibb.co/tBVVYZL/alec-baldwin.jpg

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Achmed E. Newman

    Thanks for this one, Adam (it’ll just HAVE TO appear on PS) and also your info. on Kennesaw, Georgia.

    • Thanks: Adam Smith
  146. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I'd meant to write a post on the 3 trials going on on my blog. I'd like to use that well-written 2nd paragraph here, Alec, if you don't mind, with attribution, of course.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Go for it. Give us a link when you do.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    Here, Alec - "Three trials for the purpose of crushing American resistance" The post got way, way longer than I'd originally intended it to be, but your writing is near the bottom.

    Thanks.

  147. @HammerJack
    @bomag

    Only 14 murders? Well shame on me for being judgmental. Why, he's just the sort of person I want the authorities using to de-segregate my neighborhood.

    Always fun to use unsuspecting tenants and other nearby residents as guinea pigs for your sociology experiments.

    Of course admitting to 14 murders means he probably committed around 50. As when they admit to 14 kids by six baby mamas.

    Replies: @bomag

    Rather remarkable body count. I’m sure the apologist will insist that it is an extreme case; most such people only kill 5 or 6.

    Also remarkable that I’m not particularly surprised that our rulers are anxious to put him next door to me and mine in the name of making the world a better place.

    • Agree: Polistra
  148. @NOTA
    @Ron Mexico

    Rittenhouse seems to have shot those guys in self defense, but I suspect he made the common mistake of letting a gun make him willing to get himself into dangerous situations he'd normally have avoided. I think the same is probably true of George Zimmerman--legit self-defense shooting but better judgement ahead of time might have avoided the whole clusterfuck.

    If carrying a gun makes you take bigger risks than you would without it, there's a good chance you're making yourself *less* safe by carrying it. Once you are in a position to shoot someone in self-defense, things have already gone massively, disasterously wrong. The gun is just the piece of emergency equipment you're using to try to salvage something from the wreckage.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Achmed E. Newman, @bomag

    Agree with Achmed E. Newman; how far are we going to retreat? Pushback will manifest when the collective protection either doesn’t protect or actively attacks us.

    For that matter, Trayvon Martin went out taking more risks than necessary because such thuggery is valorized and rewarded today. Maybe he should have thought twice, but there is little criticism of him relative to the opprobrium that rained down on Zimmerman.

    Likewise the Kenosha rioters were inclined to take more risks because the authorities looked the other way or actively encouraged such behavior. I think they should have enough moral standing to take some criticism.

    • Agree: Polistra
  149. @Whiskey
    First lets have clarity. Joggers and the like are sacred, and racial redeemers of the original sin of beta male Whiteness. The accused in the jogger case are icky White males, and so are by definition guilty. All and every black male has a sacred right to break into your house and do what he wants. This is the law, already. And I am not kidding either. White people and in particular White men are third class serfs, viewed as genetically evil, and with hereditary blood guilt. Period. Those defendants will be found guilty and sentenced to the max as we are a nation of feelz not laws.

    Second, Anti-Fa are the armed, paramilitary wing of the media and Democrats. They have absolute authority to do whatever they want to anyone at any time. Even cops, even Feds. Feds know this. They don't mess with Anti-Fa any more than German cops messed with the SA then SS in Third Reich. Same thing. That is the law.

    Kyle Rittenhouse is a literal boy scout who was on film for hours before the shooting, scrubbing off graffiti, rendering first aid, picking up trash. He was chased and assaulted and shot as he fled for using a fire extinguisher to put out a dumpster the Anti Fa SS set on fire and rolled towards a Gas Station. Police did not want to arrest him initially.

    He will however slam dunk be convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Guaranteed. His Defense attorney predictably threw the case when he prevented the jury selection consultants from participating, and accepted a tainted jury pool that polling suggests believes around 85% Rittenhouse guilty. The attorney has to practice law, what does he care about Rittenhouse much less winning? He will be on TV and that's all that counts.

    We are about 15 minutes into the future from the logical conclusion: "cut down all the tall trees." That's it. Our culture, our society, our leadership, our entertainment, and our religion of sacred racially redeeming blacks from beta male Whiteness, all lead down that path. Rittenhouse is doomed because he did not accept or understand that reality, he will likely be fatally shivved six months into his life sentence because he thought this was America instead of what it is. Understand you as a White male exist now solely on sufferance of your masters who really hate you and want you dead. Avoid being noticed at all costs. Your skin color is not just your uniform but your innate guilt before your masters.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Lyov Myshkin

    I’ll add a white pill even though I generally agree with your statement. Richards who is kyle’s attorney did well in cross examination of the Daily Caller journalist who was the closest witness to the shooting and the witness himself was very strong when faced with the DA’s questions. A few things were established beyond doubt: Kyle had previously interacted peacefully with protesters and offered medical assistance and that Rosenbaum without any doubt for the witness had chased the defendant, screamed an expletive and ‘lunged’ for his weapon. The DA tried his best to create some ambivalence to the situation but McGinnis stayed strong.

    That right there is self-defense. I think he’s going to be OK.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Lyov Myshkin


    That right there is self-defense. I think he’s going to be OK.
     
    Everyone "in the business" tells us never to predict what a jury will do, but your point about self-defense being well established by the prosecution's witness is good.

    Most importantly, it bears on the subsequent attacks on Rittenhouse which have been well captured by clear videos, if they were done in furthering an initial potentially lethal attack on him, he's totally in clear in responding proportionately which might not be the case if he was guilty homicide of some sort in killing Rosenbaum. Which the defense is prepared to prove, and per everyone I know of who's educated in this domain of law this can be established, attacks of lethal force, drop kick, heavy skateboard, and a gun can be met with lethal force in return.

    I do wonder about the reckless weapons handling charge, but as I understand it it bears on this same witness, and he's made statements that wouldn't seem to rise to level required for such a charge, something like Kyle wasn't great at it at some point in time, but he personally never felt at risk. But the state probably has more flexibility to try to make the claim, it's not necessarily a binary thing.

    Replies: @Lyov Myshkin

  150. @Jack D
    @International Jew

    Really? What makes you put Rosenbaum at 90%? To me, his life history, his appearance, his place of origin, everything, screams lower class white (the lowest of the low - not even working class). All the "Rosen-" type names can be either Jewish or German.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Rosenbaum is the kind of name Austrian clerks handed out a couple hundred years ago, when all the emperor’s Jewish subjects were ordered to adopt a stable (ie not patronymic-changing-every-generation) last name. Rosenbaum, Weinstein, Goldberg, Steinberg…you won’t find many names like that in a German phone book.

    To be sure, there was a Rosenberg high up in the Nazi party, but as Steve would say he was the exception that proves the rule.

    Back to our Rosenbaum, none of this rules out that he could well have been no more than 1/16 Jewish (and not even aware of it).

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @International Jew

    People read too much into surnames anyway. There are millions of Americans who bear surnames of people not genetically related to them, i.e. through someone remarrying and giving the stepfather's name to the children, or through adoption.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @International Jew

    Look, you're just wrong. Laughably wrong.

    Rosenbaum is just a German name. Plenty of Germans emigrated to Texas, where "JoJo" was born, in Waco.

    There was a pastor at his funeral, per People magazine.

    The others: 0%.

    As far as Kyle is concerned, also zero.

    These are Americans of German & English origin. Basic America. It's sad to see how decayed they've become.

    Maybe this Rittenhouse has a little Jewish ancestry:

    https://lancaster.crimewatchpa.com/manheimtwppd/53783/arrests/rittenhouse-james-israel-1-count-felony-drug-delivery-resulting-death-and-1-additional

    Replies: @James Forrestal

  151. @Lyov Myshkin
    @Whiskey

    I'll add a white pill even though I generally agree with your statement. Richards who is kyle's attorney did well in cross examination of the Daily Caller journalist who was the closest witness to the shooting and the witness himself was very strong when faced with the DA's questions. A few things were established beyond doubt: Kyle had previously interacted peacefully with protesters and offered medical assistance and that Rosenbaum without any doubt for the witness had chased the defendant, screamed an expletive and 'lunged' for his weapon. The DA tried his best to create some ambivalence to the situation but McGinnis stayed strong.

    That right there is self-defense. I think he's going to be OK.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling

    That right there is self-defense. I think he’s going to be OK.

    Everyone “in the business” tells us never to predict what a jury will do, but your point about self-defense being well established by the prosecution’s witness is good.

    Most importantly, it bears on the subsequent attacks on Rittenhouse which have been well captured by clear videos, if they were done in furthering an initial potentially lethal attack on him, he’s totally in clear in responding proportionately which might not be the case if he was guilty homicide of some sort in killing Rosenbaum. Which the defense is prepared to prove, and per everyone I know of who’s educated in this domain of law this can be established, attacks of lethal force, drop kick, heavy skateboard, and a gun can be met with lethal force in return.

    I do wonder about the reckless weapons handling charge, but as I understand it it bears on this same witness, and he’s made statements that wouldn’t seem to rise to level required for such a charge, something like Kyle wasn’t great at it at some point in time, but he personally never felt at risk. But the state probably has more flexibility to try to make the claim, it’s not necessarily a binary thing.

    • Replies: @Lyov Myshkin
    @That Would Be Telling


    I do wonder about the reckless weapons handling charge,
     
    Me too and like you say it's been charged that McGinnis the witness whose testimony Rittenhouse's defense relies on was the one endangered. I'll have to say as well from what I could see he was a little less strong on that area yesterday. The DA played footage or testimony where McGinnis had claimed to be 'menaced' by Rittenhouse and his friends and their weapons. He clarified that 'menaced' wasn't the correct term and that generally it was just the presence of weapons in a volatile situation that he found intimidating but he sort of waffled a bit when the DA was establishing whether in the shooting of Rosenbaum he was at risk and openly admitted he checked himself for bullet wounds.

    One of the funniest parts was the DA's attempt to ask him how he knew what Rosenbaum's intentions were to which he replied 'Well he shouted F*** you and lunged for his gun'. Very quick, very funny.

    Like you said though if the conclusion in the first incident with Rosenbaum for the jury is justifiable self-defense then that has massive ramifications for the following shootings. I can't see how you could decide that Rittenhouse was justified in the first and not the later ones. They're also all on camera and very clear unlike the Rosenbaum incident which wasn't well captured on video.

    All my opinions rely on us living in a functioning society with a working legal system though so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
  152. @NoOneImportant
    At least two of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jews, and one of the Jews he shot was previously convicted of raping young boys, and had spent time in prison for his heinous crimes. I believe all three had criminal records, another for spousal abuse, but I don’t have all the facts in front of me, and given the sad state of our judicial system, gathering all the facts makes little difference in the end.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer, @duncsbaby

    Getting the true facts out can and did win out in the end in the Trayvon Martin and Ferguson MO racial hate crime hoaxes.

  153. @Almost Missouri

    government has charged the surviving non-morons with first degree murder, when both cases basically represent suicide by moron. Media wing of Media-Democrat Party pretends charges are legitimate, or at least plausible.
     
    I don't disagree, but George Floyd was basically a case of suicide by fentanyl, and Derek Chauvin got convicted of triple murder charges for it. (How does that work, btw, did the jury believe Chauvin revived Floyd and re-killed him twice? Maybe a big brained attorney can explain why the first thing we do is let's not kill all the lawyers. I mean, this is their system, and they are all sworn agents of the Court.) Plus Chauvin's facing "civil rights' (i.e., double—or quaduple?—jeopardy) charges.

    So, tl;dr: total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work. Maybe the right wing should take note so that when the Department of Justice et al. is in their hands, they can get whatever absurd judicial outcome they desire. Oops, I just said the DoJ might not be leftist. As Steve Martin once said, “Nah.”

    Replies: @Taco, @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @James Forrestal

    I commented on the Floyd case at the time.
    By convicting him thrice the jurors arranged to have two beyond a reasonable doubt proofs that he is not guilty of every charge.
    1 is disproved by 2 and 3
    2 is disproved by 1 and 3
    3 is disproved by 1 and 2

    remember, 85 is only the average IQ, it’s turtles all the way down..

  154. @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Rosenbaum is the kind of name Austrian clerks handed out a couple hundred years ago, when all the emperor's Jewish subjects were ordered to adopt a stable (ie not patronymic-changing-every-generation) last name. Rosenbaum, Weinstein, Goldberg, Steinberg...you won't find many names like that in a German phone book.

    To be sure, there was a Rosenberg high up in the Nazi party, but as Steve would say he was the exception that proves the rule.

    Back to our Rosenbaum, none of this rules out that he could well have been no more than 1/16 Jewish (and not even aware of it).

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Paperback Writer

    People read too much into surnames anyway. There are millions of Americans who bear surnames of people not genetically related to them, i.e. through someone remarrying and giving the stepfather’s name to the children, or through adoption.

    • Agree: Polistra
  155. @Steve Sailer
    @Fhjjjkjcdddbb

    After all, whoever heard of anybody in Wisconsin ever being a gentile German?

    Replies: @Father O'Hara

    Not…SARCASM!

  156. @That Would Be Telling
    @Lyov Myshkin


    That right there is self-defense. I think he’s going to be OK.
     
    Everyone "in the business" tells us never to predict what a jury will do, but your point about self-defense being well established by the prosecution's witness is good.

    Most importantly, it bears on the subsequent attacks on Rittenhouse which have been well captured by clear videos, if they were done in furthering an initial potentially lethal attack on him, he's totally in clear in responding proportionately which might not be the case if he was guilty homicide of some sort in killing Rosenbaum. Which the defense is prepared to prove, and per everyone I know of who's educated in this domain of law this can be established, attacks of lethal force, drop kick, heavy skateboard, and a gun can be met with lethal force in return.

    I do wonder about the reckless weapons handling charge, but as I understand it it bears on this same witness, and he's made statements that wouldn't seem to rise to level required for such a charge, something like Kyle wasn't great at it at some point in time, but he personally never felt at risk. But the state probably has more flexibility to try to make the claim, it's not necessarily a binary thing.

    Replies: @Lyov Myshkin

    I do wonder about the reckless weapons handling charge,

    Me too and like you say it’s been charged that McGinnis the witness whose testimony Rittenhouse’s defense relies on was the one endangered. I’ll have to say as well from what I could see he was a little less strong on that area yesterday. The DA played footage or testimony where McGinnis had claimed to be ‘menaced’ by Rittenhouse and his friends and their weapons. He clarified that ‘menaced’ wasn’t the correct term and that generally it was just the presence of weapons in a volatile situation that he found intimidating but he sort of waffled a bit when the DA was establishing whether in the shooting of Rosenbaum he was at risk and openly admitted he checked himself for bullet wounds.

    One of the funniest parts was the DA’s attempt to ask him how he knew what Rosenbaum’s intentions were to which he replied ‘Well he shouted F*** you and lunged for his gun’. Very quick, very funny.

    Like you said though if the conclusion in the first incident with Rosenbaum for the jury is justifiable self-defense then that has massive ramifications for the following shootings. I can’t see how you could decide that Rittenhouse was justified in the first and not the later ones. They’re also all on camera and very clear unlike the Rosenbaum incident which wasn’t well captured on video.

    All my opinions rely on us living in a functioning society with a working legal system though so I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  157. @HammerJack
    https://i.ibb.co/d0NvcYg/Screenshot-20211103-195129-Daily-Mail-Online.jpg

    Just never know who your new neighbors are

    Replies: @bomag, @Buffalo Joe, @Sick of Orcs, @Polistra

    Alpo Martinez

    Salt of the earth, that one! Stop your snickering, people.

    Alpo’s right up there with the legendary Kibbles Castaneda, Iams Velazquez, and—last but not least—who could ever forget Jorge “Gravy Train” Guerrero and of course his notorious gun moll, Purina Fernandez? Show some respect.

  158. Pasting this in from posts at another place I hang out sometimes. Somebody put some effort into understanding what happened.

    I went looking for some good video.

    This is the first shooting. It’s clear that Rittenhouse is not the aggressor at any point up until the actual shooting starts at 2:33. This has multiple video sources all synced. I would say it’s clear that it was self-defense since he’s running away and being chased. He’s fleeing through a parking lot at 2:28 with a guy chasing about 10 feet back. The chaser throws something at him at 2:30. The chaser follows him behind a car where there’s not a great camera angle. First shot at 2:33 followed by several more from 2:35 to 2:39.

    The next two shooting are well recorded and it’s clear that rioters are chasing him down and assaulting him. You can see at 0:15 he’s on the ground and several morons are in hot pursuit. The first shot misses a guy who is right on top of him at 0:17. That guy seems to think better of the confrontation and scampers off. At 0:18 another retard is on top of him, takes a bullet, and quickly collapses. At 0:19 yet another dipshit is approaching very close and he’s holding a handgun. Rittenhouse points the rifle at him and he appears to be having second thoughts before making a second attempt to rush him and getting his arm shot at 0:22. These were both Darwin awards style shootings where morons thought physically attacking a guy holding an AR was the thing to do.
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/26/illinois-teen-charged-in-fatal-shooting-of-2-kenosha-rioters/

    Here’s a livestream of the lead up to the incident and for a little while afterwards. I watched the whole thing and took notes.

    Start seeing Rosenbaum around 13:10, he’s getting physical with armed guys, always a good decision.
    Gets shoved back at 14:02
    at 31:28 Rittenhouse is retrieving a dumpster that the crowd pushed off the property
    rioters throwing rocks at the building from the back at 32:37. cops and teargas just after
    Rosenbaum with shirt on his head at 34:54
    You can see Rosenbaum swinging a chain at 34:58
    36:28 cop tells guys guarding the building he appreciates them
    44:39 Rittenhouse starts walking around. He’s trying to get back to where he’s guarding but the cops won’t let him.
    Since he can’t rejoin his group he walks the other direction and isn’t seen again until the shooting.
    Livestreamer talking with random people at 47:25 – hard core white supremacists are everywhere.
    49:55 livestreamer talking to some antifa looking doofi with weapons. Watch the guy nod, that’s an admission of organized antifa activity I’d say.
    Priceless conversation leading up to the first gunshot at 51:09. Bye By Rosenbaum.
    52:18 Rittenhouse heading down the street after the first shooting.
    52:30 Rittenhouse running now
    Shot heard at 52:36, bunch of shots
    Rittenhouse running at 53:15
    guy with the messed up arm at 53:25
    Witness explains what just happened at 57:20
    103:55 streamer walks through where the first shooting happened.
    105:40 more white supremacy
    107:07 some guys making what I now know to be completely false claims. This little exchange is a great demonstration of how fair and reasonable the militia types were and how full of shit the rioters were. The last few minutes of this video are very illuminating. Several burning cars explode while you watch.

  159. @Reg Cæsar
    The only actual offense committed by Mr Rittenhouse appears to be possession of a deadly weapon by a person under the age of 18. That is a juvenile offense by definition.

    There was a case in Chicago, perhaps when Steve was living there, in which a young woman was raped, perhaps even murdered, in her apartment. Her roommate arrived a tad too late but was able to shoot and hit the perpetrator. (Again, not sure if fatally.)

    The authorities did not prosecute her, even though simple possession of a handgun was a felony in the city at the time. I remember thinking this was rather hypocritical of the city; nothing but a PR move. What about her "victims"? Don't they deserve consideration?

    This shooter, unlike Brother Kyle, was an adult.

    Replies: @Thomas, @Eric Novak

    Chicago seldom pursued charges for possession or use of a firearm in self-defense when the holder of the firearm or the victim was a non-felon, for fear of the case being contested in federal court. My father carried a revolver with him in the 1960s and ‘70s as a driver for the CTA (Chicago Transit Authority). Cops were in regular and close contact with transportation workers in that era of ridiculously high crime and advised them of their policy on firearms, which was to look the other way.

  160. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Go for it. Give us a link when you do.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Here, Alec – “Three trials for the purpose of crushing American resistance” The post got way, way longer than I’d originally intended it to be, but your writing is near the bottom.

    Thanks.

  161. @Achmed E. Newman
    There is one more, a civil trial only, that is going on too. That is the effort of the Charlottesville Establishment to rub salt into the wounds of the "Unite the Right" crowd by suing them for some BS reasons over their having had the gall to stand up and defend the statue of Robert E. Lee 4 years back. (It was finally removed a couple of months ago, as expected.)

    Here's the common thread among all of them. The ctrl-left Establishment wants to scare Conservative Americans away from doing anything to defend their culture, their property, and even themselves! That is the case for Charlottesville, Brunswick, and Kenosha, respectively, with Kyle Rittenhouse having been a defender of both property and his life.

    Hey Kyle, nice shooting!

    I stand with Kyle. Let's go, Brandon Fuck Joe Biden!

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @James Forrestal

    There is one more, a civil trial only, that is going on too. That is the effort of the Charlottesville Establishment to rub salt into the wounds of the “Unite the Right” crowd by suing them for some BS reasons over their having had the gall to stand up and defend the statue of Robert E. Lee 4 years back.

    Is it really the “Charlottesville establishment” that is conducting this combination lawfare/ propaganda attack on the peaceful protesters? I don’t think Roberta Kaplan lives in Charlottesville.

    Let’s see what the Jewish Daily Forward has to say about the show trial:

    When the trial of two dozen [so-called] “neo-Nazis” begins in Charlottesville on Monday, Jews will be watching closely. And two Jewish women will lead the “prosecution.”

    The two lead attorneys in the federal civil case are Roberta Kaplan and Karen Dunn, whose work is supported by Integrity First for America, a “civil rights” group led by another Jewish woman, Amy Spitalnick.

    They’re even going to roll out one of the high priestesses of Holocaustianity — the long-discredited semitic supremacist shill Deborah Lipstadt. It’s not yet clear whether she will accuse the peaceful protesters of utilizing steam rooms, electric floors, or merely fumigant insecticides in defending themselves against unprovoked attacks by the hate-crazed mob of anti-Whites, but shrunken heads and lampshades are sure to play a prominent role in her narrative.

    There’s a lot of truth to the old saying that toxic semitism and virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred are just two sides of the same shekel — as Spitlanick openly admits in this piece.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @James Forrestal

    According to one report Lipstadt's testimony was that the defendants were anti-Semites, which isn't news to the jury or anyone else. Calling her as apparently an expert witness might have mostly been graft, when there's reported testimony from a defendant like this:


    Plaintiff's attorney: jews would not be allowed in the North American ethnostate?
    Heimbach: No, they already have an ethnostate.
     
    And what you said here:

    Is it really the “Charlottesville establishment” that is conducting this combination lawfare/ propaganda attack on the peaceful protesters? I don’t think Roberta Kaplan lives in Charlottesville.
     
    Was emphasized when Kaplan got "really upset" by a comment about "lawyers from New York coming down to whittle away at the First Amendment."

    On the other hand, I think we can assume the establishment in Charlottesville and Virginia starting from the very top, the once but not future Clinton bag-man and enforcer governor that engineered the violent outcome of the rally feel they're part of our ruling trash that includes those "lawyers from New York," those who set up and are running The Garland Archipelago, really the establishment of our very own Lubyanka Prison in D.C., and the prosecution of these other Whites, even if Rittenhouse's is apparently by an Armenian mafia that currently runs Kenosha.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @James Forrestal

    Sorry for the late reply, James. Yes, I agree with you here. I was thinking of the big picture the Charlottesville Establishment, lefty as pretty much everywhere else these days, had the cops hold back from taking care of the antifa assailants, railroaded James Fields in court, and let the antifa off with no punishment at all. That was before, though, and yes, the civil suit is different. Thanks for the correction.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

  162. @James Forrestal
    @Achmed E. Newman


    There is one more, a civil trial only, that is going on too. That is the effort of the Charlottesville Establishment to rub salt into the wounds of the “Unite the Right” crowd by suing them for some BS reasons over their having had the gall to stand up and defend the statue of Robert E. Lee 4 years back.
     
    Is it really the "Charlottesville establishment" that is conducting this combination lawfare/ propaganda attack on the peaceful protesters? I don't think Roberta Kaplan lives in Charlottesville.

    Let's see what the Jewish Daily Forward has to say about the show trial:

    https://i.postimg.cc/WzsN41T4/2021-Show-Trial-jews-Forward.png

    When the trial of two dozen [so-called] "neo-Nazis" begins in Charlottesville on Monday, Jews will be watching closely. And two Jewish women will lead the "prosecution."

    The two lead attorneys in the federal civil case are Roberta Kaplan and Karen Dunn, whose work is supported by Integrity First for America, a "civil rights" group led by another Jewish woman, Amy Spitalnick.

    They're even going to roll out one of the high priestesses of Holocaustianity -- the long-discredited semitic supremacist shill Deborah Lipstadt. It's not yet clear whether she will accuse the peaceful protesters of utilizing steam rooms, electric floors, or merely fumigant insecticides in defending themselves against unprovoked attacks by the hate-crazed mob of anti-Whites, but shrunken heads and lampshades are sure to play a prominent role in her narrative.

    There's a lot of truth to the old saying that toxic semitism and virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred are just two sides of the same shekel -- as Spitlanick openly admits in this piece.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Achmed E. Newman

    According to one report Lipstadt’s testimony was that the defendants were anti-Semites, which isn’t news to the jury or anyone else. Calling her as apparently an expert witness might have mostly been graft, when there’s reported testimony from a defendant like this:

    Plaintiff’s attorney: jews would not be allowed in the North American ethnostate?
    Heimbach: No, they already have an ethnostate.

    And what you said here:

    Is it really the “Charlottesville establishment” that is conducting this combination lawfare/ propaganda attack on the peaceful protesters? I don’t think Roberta Kaplan lives in Charlottesville.

    Was emphasized when Kaplan got “really upset” by a comment about “lawyers from New York coming down to whittle away at the First Amendment.”

    On the other hand, I think we can assume the establishment in Charlottesville and Virginia starting from the very top, the once but not future Clinton bag-man and enforcer governor that engineered the violent outcome of the rally feel they’re part of our ruling trash that includes those “lawyers from New York,” those who set up and are running The Garland Archipelago, really the establishment of our very own Lubyanka Prison in D.C., and the prosecution of these other Whites, even if Rittenhouse’s is apparently by an Armenian mafia that currently runs Kenosha.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @That Would Be Telling


    Calling her as apparently an expert witness might have mostly been graft, when there’s reported testimony from a defendant like this:

    Plaintiff’s attorney: jews would not be allowed in the North American ethnostate?
    Heimbach: No, they already have an ethnostate.
     
    Shocking. Clearly, advocating for mere goyim to have the same rights as the Chosen Race is clear evidence of some very hardcore "anti-semiticism." Or perhaps the specific offense in this case might be more accurately termed "lèse-majesté?" Some sort of terrible, unforgivable assault on the structures of systemic tribalism, at any rate...

    It's still rather unfortunate that Ms. Lipstadt apparently didn't get a chance to deploy her vast expertise on specific methods typically used by "anti-semiticists" and "ebil not-sees" to anti-semiticize their innocent victims, though. If the jury had been made to understand the very real threat posed by dastardly devices such as masturbation machines. pedal-powered brain-bashing machines, and the like, I'm sure they would take the heretical beliefs evinced by the targets of this persecution... much more seriously.

    Was emphasized when Kaplan got “really upset” by a comment about “lawyers from New York coming down to whittle away at the First Amendment.”
     
    Probably gave her flashbacks to the failed effort by "New York lawyers" to save Leo Frank from justice after he raped and murdered Mary Phagan. They tried to frame two different Negroes for Frank's crime, but they couldn't get the "racist" goyim in Georgia to buy their false narrative. The problem with being an expert in "word magic" is that you tend to see simple statements of obvious facts as "dog whistles"...

    On the other hand, I think we can assume the establishment in Charlottesville and Virginia starting from the very top...
     
    It's interesting to note that, while the Black C-ville police chief got thrown under the bus, the mayor got off scot-free. The mayor at the time, Mike Signer, is a notorious semitic supremacist and is virulently anti-White.

    Perhaps the targets of this persecution should call Mr. Signer as a witness, and interrogate him on his views with respect to allowing the goyim to immigrate to his tribe's semitic supremacist settler-colonialist state in Palestine?

    https://twitter.com/Israellycool/status/976121394282029056

    Or on the advisability of tearing down memorials to known genocidal terrorists like Irgun kingpin Menachem Begin? That might be... edifying.
  163. “Media-Democrat Party”

    If TUR popularized this euphemism – up to the point where every right-leaning publication always used it instead of “Democrat” and where every GOP elected official used it in reference to their counterparts across the aisle so that it was impossible to broadcast or cite GOP officials without hearing this, and then UNZ closed shop, it’s job would be done.

  164. @Jack D
    @Wilkey

    Unz posters have a track record of identifying 10 out of every 5 Jews in the news. IIRC, the last time this came up, someone pegged Grosskreutz for a Jew too. Not bloody likely since the name means "Great Cross".

    Replies: @James J O'Meara, @Ron Mexico, @Reg Cæsar, @International Jew, @Shh he kjfdfgjk

    David Cross is a mega-Jew.

  165. @Negrolphin Pool
    @jb

    Go back and read Andrew Branca's coverage of the trial.

    1) Chauvin was using a standard restraint technique in use of which he had been trained by the MPD. Given Floyd's large size and the menace posed by the growing crowd of worked up hecklers, Chauvin was authorized to use greater force than he did to make the arrest. The prone restraint was therefore not only legal, but it demonstrated measured professionalism on the part of Chauvin.

    2) Chauvin was not kneeling on Floyd's neck for minutes. Even the prosecution did not attempt to argue this. He was kneeling on his shoulder blade. There was no predicate felony.

    3) The burden of proof on the prosecution was to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Chauvin caused Floyd's death. Not only was that burden nowhere near met, the Hennepin County medical examiner said that had the circumstances around Floyd's death been unknown to him, based on the toxicology report he would have ruled the death a polypharmacy overdose.

    It was a show trial from start to finish. But the country relearned a valuable lesson that every gangster knows by heart: Credible threats against jurors work.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @jb

    I’m not relying on partisan commentators (I read plenty of them, but you can always find an opinion to reinforce your own prejudices), I actually watched much of the trial, and it did not look like a show trial to me. The prosecution presented expert witnesses who testified that Chauvin did in fact contribute to Floyd’s death (whether he was kneeling on the neck or shoulder is irrelevant), and the jury found that testimony credible (as did I). That’s how trials work. I can see some grounds for appeal (I do think the venue should have been changed), but the fact that the jury didn’t reach the verdict you would have had them reach does not make it a show trial.

    And I’d still like to hear a good excuse for continuing to kneel on a man who is handcuffed and unconscious for three minutes after your partner says he can’t find a pulse! You got one? I’m listening! Chauvin was being an asshole cop, and someone died while he was doing that. If everyone involved had been white and there had been no publicity I still think it’s likely he would have been convicted.

  166. @JMcG
    @Michelle

    Australian aboriginals are a recurring subject here. I’m more interested in the media’s obvious effort to dance around the kidnapper’s race than in anything else, but thanks for instructing me in what is relevant.

    Replies: @Michelle

    I am almost 100% sure that most white Australian girls are kidnapped by fellow whites and that this is an anomaly.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Michelle

    I agree completely. It’s the suppression of the kidnapper’s race I find interesting. He’s clearly a lunatic. But not a murderer, thanks be to God.

    , @James Forrestal
    @Michelle

    "Fellow Whites"? You know that's a classic dog whistle for toxic semitism... don't you?

    https://i.postimg.cc/gkVPGhgB/AA-MFWP-Various2.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/Tw44cdCb/MFWP-Your-Desired-Narrative-Frame-Is-Rejected.jpg

    Please try to be more tolerant.

  167. @James Forrestal
    @Achmed E. Newman


    There is one more, a civil trial only, that is going on too. That is the effort of the Charlottesville Establishment to rub salt into the wounds of the “Unite the Right” crowd by suing them for some BS reasons over their having had the gall to stand up and defend the statue of Robert E. Lee 4 years back.
     
    Is it really the "Charlottesville establishment" that is conducting this combination lawfare/ propaganda attack on the peaceful protesters? I don't think Roberta Kaplan lives in Charlottesville.

    Let's see what the Jewish Daily Forward has to say about the show trial:

    https://i.postimg.cc/WzsN41T4/2021-Show-Trial-jews-Forward.png

    When the trial of two dozen [so-called] "neo-Nazis" begins in Charlottesville on Monday, Jews will be watching closely. And two Jewish women will lead the "prosecution."

    The two lead attorneys in the federal civil case are Roberta Kaplan and Karen Dunn, whose work is supported by Integrity First for America, a "civil rights" group led by another Jewish woman, Amy Spitalnick.

    They're even going to roll out one of the high priestesses of Holocaustianity -- the long-discredited semitic supremacist shill Deborah Lipstadt. It's not yet clear whether she will accuse the peaceful protesters of utilizing steam rooms, electric floors, or merely fumigant insecticides in defending themselves against unprovoked attacks by the hate-crazed mob of anti-Whites, but shrunken heads and lampshades are sure to play a prominent role in her narrative.

    There's a lot of truth to the old saying that toxic semitism and virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred are just two sides of the same shekel -- as Spitlanick openly admits in this piece.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Achmed E. Newman

    Sorry for the late reply, James. Yes, I agree with you here. I was thinking of the big picture the Charlottesville Establishment, lefty as pretty much everywhere else these days, had the cops hold back from taking care of the antifa assailants, railroaded James Fields in court, and let the antifa off with no punishment at all. That was before, though, and yes, the civil suit is different. Thanks for the correction.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Sure, for the big picture of the narrative of the assault on the peaceful protesters, McAuliffe took the role of goy front man [with cameos by [Black] Police Chief Alfred Thomas* -- forced to resign after the Heaphy Report came out -- and [Black] vice-mayor Wes Bellamy, who was in the habit of spouting openly anti-White rhetoric]. Mayor Signer played very much of a background role.

    But that was a heavily-promoted national "news" narrative. while the lawfare attack on the perceived leaders of the protest hasn't really been weaponized by the narrative promotion industry to nearly the same extent -- it's more of a direct attack -- so it's more openly semitic. Does anyone not directly involved in the show trial know -- or care -- who the ostensible "plaintiffs" are, or what imaginary "damages" they claim to have sustained?

    I'm not sure that describing the police/ Charlotteville establishment role as merely "holding back" is entirely accurate, though. When McAuliffe declared the bogus "state of emergency" " at 11:30 AM, his announcement was immediately followed by a mass police assault on the peaceful, lawfully-assembled rally at 11:42 AM. At the time of the initial police attack, the cops controlled the streets to the N, E, and W of Lee Park, while the crazed mob of antifags, BLM types, and other anti-Whites was busy rioting on Market St, to the south of the park.

    The police assault was led by the VA State Police, and consisted of a line of close to 1000 cops moving southward from the north end of the park wielding pepper spray, batons, and riot gear -- deliberately forcing the nationalists out of the narrow access stairways at the south end of the park, into the antifa/ BLM ambush.

    The police then withdrew, and "held back" from then on -- note the total absence of police at the scene of the car accident 2 hours later, for example -- but the short "active" phase of their involvement was critical to the overall plan of attack.

    *Incidentally, Charlottesville just fired another Black [OK, mulatta] police chief. Seems kinda "racist" of them...

  168. Why didn’t good Germans stand up against fascists? This is why, and the fascists know it and intend it. Zimmerman, Scarsella, Darren Wilson, Chauvin, Rittenhouse, McMichaels, even Bogdan Vechirko – all people who stood up against criminal thugs or vicious mobs. The fascists destroy anyone who dares stand up to its brownshirts, and with their destruction, intimidates all others who might stand up. BLM/Antifa are the SA, and they have their Goebbels/Reifenstahl in the MSM and their Goering in Milley.

  169. @Michelle
    @JMcG

    I am almost 100% sure that most white Australian girls are kidnapped by fellow whites and that this is an anomaly.

    Replies: @JMcG, @James Forrestal

    I agree completely. It’s the suppression of the kidnapper’s race I find interesting. He’s clearly a lunatic. But not a murderer, thanks be to God.

  170. @That Would Be Telling
    @James Forrestal

    According to one report Lipstadt's testimony was that the defendants were anti-Semites, which isn't news to the jury or anyone else. Calling her as apparently an expert witness might have mostly been graft, when there's reported testimony from a defendant like this:


    Plaintiff's attorney: jews would not be allowed in the North American ethnostate?
    Heimbach: No, they already have an ethnostate.
     
    And what you said here:

    Is it really the “Charlottesville establishment” that is conducting this combination lawfare/ propaganda attack on the peaceful protesters? I don’t think Roberta Kaplan lives in Charlottesville.
     
    Was emphasized when Kaplan got "really upset" by a comment about "lawyers from New York coming down to whittle away at the First Amendment."

    On the other hand, I think we can assume the establishment in Charlottesville and Virginia starting from the very top, the once but not future Clinton bag-man and enforcer governor that engineered the violent outcome of the rally feel they're part of our ruling trash that includes those "lawyers from New York," those who set up and are running The Garland Archipelago, really the establishment of our very own Lubyanka Prison in D.C., and the prosecution of these other Whites, even if Rittenhouse's is apparently by an Armenian mafia that currently runs Kenosha.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Calling her as apparently an expert witness might have mostly been graft, when there’s reported testimony from a defendant like this:

    Plaintiff’s attorney: jews would not be allowed in the North American ethnostate?
    Heimbach: No, they already have an ethnostate.

    Shocking. Clearly, advocating for mere goyim to have the same rights as the Chosen Race is clear evidence of some very hardcore “anti-semiticism.” Or perhaps the specific offense in this case might be more accurately termed “lèse-majesté?” Some sort of terrible, unforgivable assault on the structures of systemic tribalism, at any rate…

    It’s still rather unfortunate that Ms. Lipstadt apparently didn’t get a chance to deploy her vast expertise on specific methods typically used by “anti-semiticists” and “ebil not-sees” to anti-semiticize their innocent victims, though. If the jury had been made to understand the very real threat posed by dastardly devices such as masturbation machines. pedal-powered brain-bashing machines, and the like, I’m sure they would take the heretical beliefs evinced by the targets of this persecution… much more seriously.

    Was emphasized when Kaplan got “really upset” by a comment about “lawyers from New York coming down to whittle away at the First Amendment.”

    Probably gave her flashbacks to the failed effort by “New York lawyers” to save Leo Frank from justice after he raped and murdered Mary Phagan. They tried to frame two different Negroes for Frank’s crime, but they couldn’t get the “racist” goyim in Georgia to buy their false narrative. The problem with being an expert in “word magic” is that you tend to see simple statements of obvious facts as “dog whistles”…

    On the other hand, I think we can assume the establishment in Charlottesville and Virginia starting from the very top…

    It’s interesting to note that, while the Black C-ville police chief got thrown under the bus, the mayor got off scot-free. The mayor at the time, Mike Signer, is a notorious semitic supremacist and is virulently anti-White.

    Perhaps the targets of this persecution should call Mr. Signer as a witness, and interrogate him on his views with respect to allowing the goyim to immigrate to his tribe’s semitic supremacist settler-colonialist state in Palestine?

    Or on the advisability of tearing down memorials to known genocidal terrorists like Irgun kingpin Menachem Begin? That might be… edifying.

  171. @Achmed E. Newman
    @James Forrestal

    Sorry for the late reply, James. Yes, I agree with you here. I was thinking of the big picture the Charlottesville Establishment, lefty as pretty much everywhere else these days, had the cops hold back from taking care of the antifa assailants, railroaded James Fields in court, and let the antifa off with no punishment at all. That was before, though, and yes, the civil suit is different. Thanks for the correction.

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Sure, for the big picture of the narrative of the assault on the peaceful protesters, McAuliffe took the role of goy front man [with cameos by [Black] Police Chief Alfred Thomas* — forced to resign after the Heaphy Report came out — and [Black] vice-mayor Wes Bellamy, who was in the habit of spouting openly anti-White rhetoric]. Mayor Signer played very much of a background role.

    But that was a heavily-promoted national “news” narrative. while the lawfare attack on the perceived leaders of the protest hasn’t really been weaponized by the narrative promotion industry to nearly the same extent — it’s more of a direct attack — so it’s more openly semitic. Does anyone not directly involved in the show trial know — or care — who the ostensible “plaintiffs” are, or what imaginary “damages” they claim to have sustained?

    I’m not sure that describing the police/ Charlotteville establishment role as merely “holding back” is entirely accurate, though. When McAuliffe declared the bogus “state of emergency” ” at 11:30 AM, his announcement was immediately followed by a mass police assault on the peaceful, lawfully-assembled rally at 11:42 AM. At the time of the initial police attack, the cops controlled the streets to the N, E, and W of Lee Park, while the crazed mob of antifags, BLM types, and other anti-Whites was busy rioting on Market St, to the south of the park.

    The police assault was led by the VA State Police, and consisted of a line of close to 1000 cops moving southward from the north end of the park wielding pepper spray, batons, and riot gear — deliberately forcing the nationalists out of the narrow access stairways at the south end of the park, into the antifa/ BLM ambush.

    The police then withdrew, and “held back” from then on — note the total absence of police at the scene of the car accident 2 hours later, for example — but the short “active” phase of their involvement was critical to the overall plan of attack.

    *Incidentally, Charlottesville just fired another Black [OK, mulatta] police chief. Seems kinda “racist” of them…

  172. @Michelle
    @JMcG

    I am almost 100% sure that most white Australian girls are kidnapped by fellow whites and that this is an anomaly.

    Replies: @JMcG, @James Forrestal

    “Fellow Whites”? You know that’s a classic dog whistle for toxic semitism… don’t you?

    Please try to be more tolerant.

  173. @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Here's how I read the is-Jewish probabilities:

    Rosenbaum 90%
    Grosskreutz 5%
    Huber 1%
    Rittenhouse 10%

    Replies: @Jack D, @Fhjjjkjcdddbb, @Mayfield Ave

    I don’t think Rosenbaum is (or was) Jewish simply because I have never met a Jewish person in my life with the first name Joseph

    Have you? If they are out there, they have to be quite rare.

    My guess is that he’s German Catholic

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mayfield Ave

    There's an important Joseph in the Old Testament, but, yes, most Josephs in America are Catholic.

    The NYT crime reporter who is on good terms with the NYPD and typically writes the article when the NYPD wants something covered in the NYT is named Joseph Goldstein. But I bet, with no evidence, that his mom is Catholic.

  174. @James J O'Meara
    @Jack D

    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is "No Jew would take the name 'Great Cross'," I would reply that, um, what part of "crypsis" don't you understand?

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Paperback Writer

    Perhaps true, empirically, but if the argument is “No Jew would take the name ‘Great Cross’,” I would reply that, um, what part of “crypsis” don’t you understand?

    Friends, Romans, countrymen, you have to be nuts to say this. Not just any old “Jews have too much power” type, but nuts.

    Listen, buddy, when us Jews do the assimilation thing, they take what they think are non-ethnic names, or they shorten Friedenberg to Fried. They don’t take names like “Großkreutz,” which is about as Aryan as they come.

    Dumb, dumb, dumb. C’mon man, up your game. You’re giving anti-Semitism a bad image.

  175. @Wilkey

    one moron in the Rittenhouse case sounds like he’s Jewish, a group that usually does not produce morons.
     
    Jews produce plenty of morons. Just a different kind of moron.

    What reason does your reader have to believe one of the alleged victims was Jewish? Rittenhouse, Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz - all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren't. It's Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Jack D, @Almost Missouri, @Reg Cæsar, @Paperback Writer

    Huber, Rosenbaum, Grosskreutz – all are German names. Sometimes they are Jewish, sometimes they aren’t. It’s Wisconsin. German names are thick on the ground.

    Yes, exactly, but a lot of people were saying that Rosenbaum was Jewish because they are idiots, and they are obsessed. You can find a few here. One guy is claiming “Grosskreutz” is Jewish. Rosenbaum was originally from Texas, where a lot of Germans moved before the CW, by the way. He was definitely not Jewish, unless pastors preside over Jewish funerals.

    Also, Rittenhouse is damn lucky that none of the people he had to shoot were black. The city of Kenosha is lucky, as well.

    That’s right – there’s a guy named “Jump Kick Guy” (that is how he is referred to in court) who looks to me as if he might be black. He jump-kicked Kyle and the kid got off a shot at him but thankfully missed.

    Even so, some creep named Cortez Rice who claims to be related to Saint George put something up on FB threatening the jurors. He took it down, but it’s on Odysee and all over the net now. So, even if it’s not up there with the trial of Daunte Wright, it’s on the radar.

    We have that to look forward to.

  176. @NoOneImportant
    At least two of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jews, and one of the Jews he shot was previously convicted of raping young boys, and had spent time in prison for his heinous crimes. I believe all three had criminal records, another for spousal abuse, but I don’t have all the facts in front of me, and given the sad state of our judicial system, gathering all the facts makes little difference in the end.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer, @duncsbaby

    At least two of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jews,

    Name them.

  177. @Mayfield Ave
    @International Jew

    I don't think Rosenbaum is (or was) Jewish simply because I have never met a Jewish person in my life with the first name Joseph

    Have you? If they are out there, they have to be quite rare.

    My guess is that he's German Catholic

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    There’s an important Joseph in the Old Testament, but, yes, most Josephs in America are Catholic.

    The NYT crime reporter who is on good terms with the NYPD and typically writes the article when the NYPD wants something covered in the NYT is named Joseph Goldstein. But I bet, with no evidence, that his mom is Catholic.

  178. @Redmen
    @Jack D

    None of this information about Rosenbaum will be admissible at Rittenhouse's trial. But Jeffrey Toobin is upset that the prosecution can't call Rosenbaum a "victim."

    Replies: @Patrick McNally, @David In TN, @Paperback Writer

    I think some of it was. Not being a lawyer, and not watching the live stream, I don’t know exactly what was admissible and what wasn’t – but some was.

    Some of Anthony Huber’s ugly background was read into the record. The state produced a relative to testify to his sterling, peacemaking character, but I saw a clip of the defense atty reading into the record that Huber had held a knife to his brother’s stomach and threatened to “gut him like a pig.” Again, not sure if this was as a result of questioning.

    It’s pretty interesting how unbelievably f’d up both decedents were. Grosskreutz was no prize either. What are the chances a random sample of men on any random street would produce so many bad characters?

  179. @Jack D
    As for Rosenbaum being Jewish, he ain't. Here's a repost of my comment in the previous thread:

    Joseph Rosenbaum may have had a Jewish sounding name but he was, by all accounts, not Jewish. He was a Texas German. He was, however, beyond being a moron. He was a sad case.

    Rosenbaum met his biological father only twice and reported that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather on an almost daily basis. When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and meth. Rosenbaum spent most of his adult life in prison for child molestation committed on 5 preteen boys when he was 18. He struggled with mental illness. He was homeless on the night he was shot. Earlier that day, he was discharged from a mental hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months. He was still carrying the plastic bag with a stick of deodorant, underwear and socks that they give you when you are discharged – those were his worldly possession. Earlier that day, he visited his “fiancee”*, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. (What are the chances that he didn't stay long enough to have sex with her?) She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

    * Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy. Rosenbaum also had a child with a different woman.

    https://static.miraheze.org/reallifevillainswiki/f/f0/Josephrosenbaum.jpg
    Sometimes humans are like lemon automobiles – they come with such serious factory defects that the best thing to do is to recycle them and start over.

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Johann Ricke, @Johann Ricke, @Redmen, @Couch scientist, @Paperback Writer

    Note that beta type incels cannot land a woman but mentally ill, violent thugs have no problem. Women find them sexy

    I think you’ve got the causation backwards. Whatever else you can say about guys like Rosenbaum, they aren’t picky. They’re realistic when it comes to one thing: getting laid. They’ll go with any tatted, addicted, slut. Incels are picky and unrealistic.

    That said, there is something to the stereotype of the sexy badass. The first guy to shoot a gun that night, which started the entire chain of events was Joshua Ziminski.

    Steve once asked whether there were white Jacob Blakes. Ziminski is.

    Mid-30s, five kids from two or three baby mamas, 6’5″, 200 lbs, in and out of trouble most of his adult life, dozens of arrests. I don’t know what a guy with his record (it’s online somewhere) was doing walking the streets. In any case, he doesn’t seem to lack for female companionship.

  180. @International Jew
    @Jack D

    Rosenbaum is the kind of name Austrian clerks handed out a couple hundred years ago, when all the emperor's Jewish subjects were ordered to adopt a stable (ie not patronymic-changing-every-generation) last name. Rosenbaum, Weinstein, Goldberg, Steinberg...you won't find many names like that in a German phone book.

    To be sure, there was a Rosenberg high up in the Nazi party, but as Steve would say he was the exception that proves the rule.

    Back to our Rosenbaum, none of this rules out that he could well have been no more than 1/16 Jewish (and not even aware of it).

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Paperback Writer

    Look, you’re just wrong. Laughably wrong.

    Rosenbaum is just a German name. Plenty of Germans emigrated to Texas, where “JoJo” was born, in Waco.

    There was a pastor at his funeral, per People magazine.

    The others: 0%.

    As far as Kyle is concerned, also zero.

    These are Americans of German & English origin. Basic America. It’s sad to see how decayed they’ve become.

    Maybe this Rittenhouse has a little Jewish ancestry:

    https://lancaster.crimewatchpa.com/manheimtwppd/53783/arrests/rittenhouse-james-israel-1-count-felony-drug-delivery-resulting-death-and-1-additional

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    @Paperback Writer


    Rosenbaum is just a German name.
     
    A member of a notorious semitic supremacist street gang has a typically-semitic surname, and it's "Oy vey! Must be a GOY!" Uh huh.

    Hey, don't argue with Mr. Rootless Cosmopolitan -- argue with this reportress from the Jewish Daily Forward:

    https://i.postimg.cc/L6gyXDj9/MN-BLM-Riots-Kyle-Joseph-Rosenbaum-jew.png

    Or this semitic supremacist settler-colonialist in Palestine [and narrative promoter for the Jerusalem Post]:

    https://i.postimg.cc/RhkhSpZL/MN-BLM-Riots-Kyle-Rosenbaum-jew-2.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_Mazzig

    Should even I mention that Huber's mother's maiden name is Bloom [aka "Blum"], and that his father's physiognomy is... interesting?

    https://i.postimg.cc/CLrcL5CM/Kyle-Rittenhouse-Huber-Father-Nose.jpg

    No wonder he was so reluctant to remove his mask in that pre-trial Zoom conference...
  181. @The Alarmist
    @Mike Tre

    Rittenhouse demonstrated trigger control and marksmanship under fire and direct assault that has been described by more than a few SpecOps types I know as remarkable.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    But, but, every news article I read describes the events as a “spree.” Who should I believe, you, or the traditional media?

    • LOL: The Alarmist
  182. @NoOneImportant
    At least two of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jews, and one of the Jews he shot was previously convicted of raping young boys, and had spent time in prison for his heinous crimes. I believe all three had criminal records, another for spousal abuse, but I don’t have all the facts in front of me, and given the sad state of our judicial system, gathering all the facts makes little difference in the end.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Paperback Writer, @duncsbaby

    None of the people Rittenhouse shot were Jewish. Stop w/the lying and/or idiocy.

  183. Before Christopher Nolan gets it taken down, watch:

  184. @Paperback Writer
    @International Jew

    Look, you're just wrong. Laughably wrong.

    Rosenbaum is just a German name. Plenty of Germans emigrated to Texas, where "JoJo" was born, in Waco.

    There was a pastor at his funeral, per People magazine.

    The others: 0%.

    As far as Kyle is concerned, also zero.

    These are Americans of German & English origin. Basic America. It's sad to see how decayed they've become.

    Maybe this Rittenhouse has a little Jewish ancestry:

    https://lancaster.crimewatchpa.com/manheimtwppd/53783/arrests/rittenhouse-james-israel-1-count-felony-drug-delivery-resulting-death-and-1-additional

    Replies: @James Forrestal

    Rosenbaum is just a German name.

    A member of a notorious semitic supremacist street gang has a typically-semitic surname, and it’s “Oy vey! Must be a GOY!” Uh huh.

    Hey, don’t argue with Mr. Rootless Cosmopolitan — argue with this reportress from the Jewish Daily Forward:

    Or this semitic supremacist settler-colonialist in Palestine [and narrative promoter for the Jerusalem Post]:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_Mazzig

    Should even I mention that Huber’s mother’s maiden name is Bloom [aka “Blum”], and that his father’s physiognomy is… interesting?

    No wonder he was so reluctant to remove his mask in that pre-trial Zoom conference…

  185. @Almost Missouri

    government has charged the surviving non-morons with first degree murder, when both cases basically represent suicide by moron. Media wing of Media-Democrat Party pretends charges are legitimate, or at least plausible.
     
    I don't disagree, but George Floyd was basically a case of suicide by fentanyl, and Derek Chauvin got convicted of triple murder charges for it. (How does that work, btw, did the jury believe Chauvin revived Floyd and re-killed him twice? Maybe a big brained attorney can explain why the first thing we do is let's not kill all the lawyers. I mean, this is their system, and they are all sworn agents of the Court.) Plus Chauvin's facing "civil rights' (i.e., double—or quaduple?—jeopardy) charges.

    So, tl;dr: total megaphone control of the Narrative and threats to kill the judge and jury and to riot across the country really do work. Maybe the right wing should take note so that when the Department of Justice et al. is in their hands, they can get whatever absurd judicial outcome they desire. Oops, I just said the DoJ might not be leftist. As Steve Martin once said, “Nah.”

    Replies: @Taco, @AndrewR, @Bill Jones, @James Forrestal

    …George Floyd was basically a case of suicide by fentanyl

    Accidental death, specifically from opioid-induced noncardiogenic pulmonary edema, but yeah:

    https://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/has-the-backlash-arrived-for-police-bashing/#comment-4652336

    Also, Negrolphin Pool makes an excellent point in post #109 — that there is good evidence that the restraint method employed by Chauvin and the other officers was one that was officially endorsed by the MPD — and that they had been specifically trained in:

    But that policy was implemented at the direction of a Black police chief and a jew mayor — making it appear to be much more of a case of systemic tribalism than systemic “racism.” So any narrative about systemic meanness to Blacks as a cause of the overdose had to be kept at the level of a vague, quasi-metaphysical force operating in a completely indefinable manner, rather than related to the specifics of the Minneapolis power structure.

    This is part of a larger issue — the overall anti-White narrative based on the Floyd overdose was grossly incoherent. For Chauvin’s show trial, he was targeted as an individual with a narrative that amounted to “The evil White supreemist cop, motivated solely by his own hatred for the color of the skin, crushed the frail [6’3″, 230 lb.] Negro to death with with the massive weight of his [5’9″, 150 lb.] frame by kneeling on his shoulder.” Yet at the same time, the overdose was supposed to have resulted from “systemic White supreeemism” or some such nonsense. Well — which was it? An individual bad goy? Or a systemic issue?

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