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From the Wall Street Journal:

U.S. Birthrates Fall to Record-Low Level

American women had babies at record-low rates last year and pushed U.S. births down to their smallest total in 35 years, according to federal figures released Wednesday. About 3.75 million babies were born in the U.S. in 2019, down 1% from the prior year, provisional figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics showed.

According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.

… The data are the latest sign of how American childbearing, which began declining during the 2007-09 recession, never fully rebounded when the economy bounced back. Millennials have been slower to form families than previous generations, in part, economists say, because they are less financially secure than those before them.

… Teen- agers saw the sharpest drop, with a 5% decline in their birthrate. Since peaking in 1991, the teen birthrate has fallen 73%.

The federal government has a program to discourage teen births. It worked.

The total fertility rate—a snapshot of the average number of babies a woman would have over her lifetime—ticked down to 1.7 in 2019, a slight decline from the previous year and another record low. …

Brady Hamilton, a statistician who co-wrote the new report, said an uptick in births among women in their 40s is a sign that some births are just being delayed. “Women are still having children,” he said. “They’re just holding off until a later point in time until they establish their education and establish their career.”

A leveling-off of births among Hispanic women, who account for nearly a quarter of U.S. births, is also driving the overall decline. They had about 885,900 babies last year, down slightly from 2018.

But that was down only imperceptibly from 886,210 in 2018. The bigger driver of the national decline was the decline in the number of births to white women.

And this was during the late, lamented economic good times.

 
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  1. One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    • Replies: @Malenfant
    With unemployment the way it is?

    Besides, birth control is awfully effective in this day and age. And abortion clinics are "essential businesses" in most states.

    I'll bet you that the 2020 birth rate is even lower than 2019, and that there's no rebound in the early months of 2021. How about it?
    , @The Practical Conservative
    Nope, will pull forward the declines, so it'll look particularly bad next year.
    , @Thoughts
    No
    , @Charon
    If by "baby boom" you mean "broken homes" then sure.
    , @Other Side
    I think it's exact opposite - with " social distancing " hysteria it will be kinda hard from now on to even get a partner to make babies,and since white woman are among the most fanatical about lockdowns and " keeping the distance " what we gonna see is huge sharp drop in number of new births in coming years .

    I think elites decided they cannot wait for 20-30 years for America to start looking like Brazil so they decided to hurry up the process .
    , @Mike Tre
    Well if it doesn't, we'll always have next year's lock down to try again.
    , @S. Anonyia
    Probably the opposite. No one will want to get pregnant and potentially expose themselves to COVID (and poor medical care because of the crisis, which is becoming more and more of an issue) at a hospital until this is resolved.
    , @Obamahotep
    Yes birthrates will increase. No, its not surprising birthrates went down during economic good times. Women don't want kids when their careers are doing well, at least until their late 30s.

    Bad times will increase pregnancies. Fooling around is free. Birth control costs money.
    , @Maciano
    If there will be, it will be among bored couples who didn't have kids yet.

    Believe me, WFH with kids was no picknick.
    , @Anon
    Do you think women will run out of contraceptives? Or become more careless in their use?

    Or turn less to abortion?

    Or be more hopeful for an economic upturn?

    Or will find great, stable relationships with guys who wants to start a family?
    , @dfordoom

    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.
     
    My guess is that birth rates will fall even further. It's possible people may be having more sex (although there's zero evidence for that) but there are such things as contraception. I expect birth rates (especially white birth rates) to plummet.

    But what do I know? Maybe there are lots of couples at the moment looking at each and saying, "Now that I've lost my job and you've lost your job, and given that there could be a second wave of the virus and maybe further lockdowns which will make it almost impossible to get proper medical care if anything goes wrong with the pregnancy, wouldn't this be a fantastic time to start a family?"
  2. Anonymous[592] • Disclaimer says:

    According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.

    All is proceeding according to plan. It is in the rest of the world’s interest to knock the most talented group out of the competition.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    White women of reproductive age are less than 2 percent of the world's population, so, if they are not reproducing at replacement levels, it won't be long before whites go the way of the Neanderthal.
    , @Slimer
    The typical white guy spends his day doing busy work at a cushy office job, firing off a few emails in between social media rantings about affirmative action. You all go around beating your chest and screaming that you're proud to be white, when only about 10% of whites are doing things that bring value to the world. The talented 10th as y'all like to say lol.

    If you want white women to bear more children, maybe stop telling them they're fat and intellectually inferior. That probably grosses them out.

    , @Tor597
    Asians and Jews are being knocked out of competition?
    , @dfordoom

    All is proceeding according to plan. It is in the rest of the world’s interest to knock the most talented group out of the competition.
     
    There's no sinister conspiracy. Do you want to know why white women are having fewer babies? It's because they've chosen to have fewer babies. You might disagree with their decisions but they're making those decisions for reasons that make sense to them. Maybe it's selfishness (which seems highly likely to be a factor). Maybe it's self-pity (which also seems highly likely to be a factor).

    No-one is forcing white people to have fewer children. White people have agency. They can have as many children as they want. It seems that they don't want many children at all.

    You need to stop viewing the world in terms of silly conspiracy theories.
  3. We’ve created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites. Not only the economic decline, but also the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.

    The affirmative action, mass 3rd world immigration, “fair housing” laws against Whites, special set-asides for non-Whites, the constant demonization … I wonder what you’d call this program if it were directed against any other people?

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.
     
    Lol, no. This is all in your sordid head.

    Interracial marriage is up for most groups, and higher for white men than white women.


    https://sk.sagepub.com/images/interracial-communication/9781412954587-p159-1.jpg
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    A fellow said to me: "My wife and I wanted a third child, but we couldn't afford it. I figure I'm supporting three kids in Newark. Do I ever get so much as a Father's Day card?"
    , @Massimo Heitor

    We’ve created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites.
     
    It's not just whites; family formation is difficult for the educated middle/upper classes of all races in Western Civilization.

    the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.
     
    There is a correlation with race, but it's not just whites paying in and non-whites taking out. Lots of whites are on welfare. And many non-whites pay in.

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact.
     
    Probably. This can and should be countered. The younger men here should have more children. The older men here should fight the culture war.
    , @fish
    The RT buses in Sacramento have on bus advertising that show three teens, one black, one latin, one white all ostensibly pregnant!

    White girl dour expression....she knows that getting her masters degree and sitting in an office with the Penske folder might now be in serious jeopardy. Latin girl....bemused expression.....dad will probably whip her ass and the donor too if he can catch him...eventually things will sort out though! Black girl big toothy grin.....getting her own EBT card now.....don't have to bum off mom or grandmas any longer and won't have to share the second bedroom with mom no mo ...and more importantly won't have to keep mom away from her boyfriend any more either as soon as the Section 8 apartment comes through!


    Art does imitate life......
    , @Ben tillman
    It would be called genocide.
  4. Nobody is going to point out that the “cool wine aunt” drinks so much is because she can’t have children.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    "the 'cool wine aunt' drinks so much is because she can't have children"

    Maybe it's because Auntie Chardonnay can't have more than one dog in her apartment. Women, especially white women, have gone creepy for canines. The crazy cat-lady has been supplanted by the "dog-mom".
    , @Jay Fink
    In my case it was the opposite. My mother was the cool wine mom and my aunt who couldn't have children was much more straight laced and conservative. The way my Aunt dealt with having no kids was to treat her dogs like children, to an extreme degree.
  5. And as if that weren’t enough, whites will now be blamed for the (mostly non-existent) “wave of hate” against Asians in the US.

    • Replies: @bomag

    (mostly non-existent) “wave of hate” against Asians
     
    In the current age, if you aren't hugging a foreigner; actively inviting them into the country; and giving them your stuff, then you are a hater.
  6. According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.

    Consider the fact that not all of these kids were fathered by white men, and it looks even worse!

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    My recollection is that around 2010, 11% of the children born to white women had non-white fathers. That number has certainly grown. So the real white birthrate is over 10% lower than the births to white women number.
  7. As a Somali I plan to, inshallah, import a virginal bride from the home country and perpetuate my race.

    • Replies: @bomag
    The media is constantly telling me that you are here purely to grow the GDP while escaping certain death in the home country.

    Thanks for your honesty.
    , @Anon
    Virginal? As in “looks like a virgin but is not really one”? Keep her well watched, then. Until you find a new one that catches your eye.

    Anyway, I thought Islam was a religion, not a race.

    And an inferior religion at that, that never could properly relate faith to reason. And started by a bloodthirsty, backward sort of fellow. God help your virginal spouse.
  8. “The federal government has a program to discourage teen births. It worked.”

    The thing is, apparently it’s also working to discourage births across the board as well. What exactly was the plan to discourage teen births? Just say no, Norplant, or something along the lines of sterilization. Would be interesting to see if abortion levels among teens are at an all time high as well.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_Abortion-pregnancy-rates-declined-among-teenagers-US.png

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.
     

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.
     
    , @epebble
    The campaign to portray teen pregnancy as a tragedy that will guarantee permanent poverty in lower class (look what is happening to blacks) has worked well. Birth control has become much more easily available and its use has become more effective. The third important cause is the campaign to educate about Sexually Transmitted Diseases, especially the HIV/AIDS. That has been really effective in reducing non-marital sex and hence teen pregnancy and also out of wedlock pregnancy. Most babies born today are really wanted babies and not "accidents".
    , @njguy73
    I believe that much of the 1990s reduction in teen girls getting pregnant was the result of the reduction of teen boys who were free or alive enough to impregnate them.
  9. Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It’s not like they’re going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    • Disagree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    As far as I can tell, whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks. As these groups decline in % as Asian and Hispanic % increases, I'd expect to see a large decline in anti-white animus.
    , @Gurney Halleck
    Do non-whites have a collective identity that is hostile to whites or something?
    , @IHTG
    I'm not sure the "hated" part is really all that important to you though. What if the culture changes by then and whites are a non-hated minority?
    , @Massimo Heitor

    At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.
     
    With that miserable attitude, sure. Personally, I'd rather people like myself survive and prosper.
    , @bomag

    It’s not like they’re going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is.
     
    If we had more choice in the matter; more agency; more control of our fate, it would be fine to have a country with fewer people: more to go around, more room for future growth, more ease in managing resources, etc.

    The headlong rush to fill every niche with a body from somewhere else is the problem.
    , @BenKenobi
    “Oh no my fair cousin...”
    , @Ben tillman
    Whites lost political power in 1963, if not earlier.
  10. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.
     
    All is proceeding according to plan. It is in the rest of the world’s interest to knock the most talented group out of the competition.

    White women of reproductive age are less than 2 percent of the world’s population, so, if they are not reproducing at replacement levels, it won’t be long before whites go the way of the Neanderthal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Naaaaa.

    Wealthy nations are moving to stable sustainable populations, not the entropy of mass immigration.

    Immigration will be slowed and eliminated. Unassailable groups segregated, imprisoned removed or eliminated.
    , @OscarWildeLoveChild
    Millions of 3/4 white 7/8 white "Latinos/Hispanics" have children every year just as they did in all other areas of the European white fringe (Southern Spain, North Africa, Southern Italy, parts of Russia, Northern Turkic areas, most of Latin America).

    All this spells the end of is the Anglo-Saxon (and possibly Celtic and Germanic) gene majority of Whites in the US and around the world. Is that good? Probably not, but the truth is, there are hundreds of thousands of people with Hispanic/Latino surnames, eligible for affirmative action, considered a protected status, who are having white children...whether both parents are, or one parent is Anglo, Celtic or Germanic, with the other parent being Hispanic.

    It isn't even necessarily a given by anyone that someone with the last name JONES isn't Hispanic whereas even 10 years ago, certainly 20 or 30 you would question that...not the case now, any more than it is with famous, or well-known Hispanics (Alexis Bledel, Louis C.K., etc). Not that it is the norm, but given privacy laws (and legitimate Spanish ancestry someone has), employers really cannot question it--and are unlikely to do so anyhow, as the standards of who is hispanic are arbitrary, different in different contexts and very broad in terms of common culture and the law.
    , @Reg Cæsar



    ...it won’t be long before whites go the way of the Neanderthal.
     
    Like Fred and Barney. One child apiece, and bad habits to boot.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAExoSozc2c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEZGaLlLfcY
  11. The federal government has a program to discourage teen births.

    Nothing wrong with teen births to teen wives. That’s what kept the population from collapsing in the past.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    Not true. Teen marriage has always been rare in Western European derived societies (with a few exceptions like Jamestown and early Quebec where women were in short supply). It’s more like marriage of a husband and wife in their early 20s who could support their family on 1 income, is what kept birth rates from collapsing.

    That and the lack of birth control...and need for the labor of children.
    , @notsaying
    There's no reason for young people today to go straight from high school to parenthood. People often feel resentful when that happens, that they didn't have enough time to themselves before their kids came along.

    In today's world people in their late teens and early twenties (at least) should be focused on job training or college and getting themselves established in their fields. They will need that foundation to survive economically as adults and parents.

  12. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    With unemployment the way it is?

    Besides, birth control is awfully effective in this day and age. And abortion clinics are “essential businesses” in most states.

    I’ll bet you that the 2020 birth rate is even lower than 2019, and that there’s no rebound in the early months of 2021. How about it?

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Anon7
    "...birth control is awfully effective in this day and age"

    No kidding. You wouldn't think this was true, given the way women scream and moan about the right to abortion, because they might get pregnant at any time, and ruin their chances of being a Fields Medal winner or something like that.

    I have a friend who is a reproductive endocrinologist, he's the one you see if you and your wife aren't getting pregnant. He says that doctor-prescribed oral contraception combined with a condom is so effective, that if a woman who claims to use this combination during sex gets pregnant, he assumes she is lying.
  13. Nobelist genetic engineer Kary Mullis passed away in August. I wonder what he’d’ve made of this whole virus thing.

    In his 1998 humorous autobiography, Mullis expressed disagreement with the scientific evidence supporting climate change and ozone depletion, the evidence that HIV causes AIDS, and asserted his belief in astrology. Mullis claimed climate change and the HIV/AIDS connection are due to a conspiracy of environmentalists, government agencies, and scientists attempting to preserve their careers and earn money, rather than scientific evidence.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/kary_mullispersonal_views

    He had three children but only two grandchildren. Something to mullis over…

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.
    , @Stan Adams

    He had three children but only two grandchildren. Something to mullis over…
     
    Some months ago, in the early stages of the Coronapocalypse, I attempted to discuss the realities of white demographic collapse with a boomer acquaintance of mine.

    He's a smart guy (and goy) - recently retired after a successful career a major brokerage firm - and reasonably honest about the implications of HBD. Despite our age difference - he's a few months older than my mother - we've shared many a laugh about the shenanigans of rabid SJWs. But his generation's famed delusional optimism makes him far too sanguine about the prospects for the future.

    "My mother has two siblings," I said. "My father has one full sibling and several half-siblings. But I'm an only child. My parents haven't even managed to replace themselves. My maternal grandmother has three children and three grandchildren. But, so far, she only has two great-grandchildren, both of them half-black. And my great-aunt - my maternal grandfather's sister - fared even worse. She had four sons - three of whom are now dead - and only two grandkids. And we're not alone."

    "Your family is an anomaly," he interjected dismissively. "In my experience, most people have at least two kids. I have two kids, and my daughter has two kids. The white population will probably remain fairly stable over time."

    "That's not what the statistics say," I replied sharply. "The white population is aging rapidly and failing to reproduce itself. Whites will be a minority within twenty years."

    "There's bound to be some fluctuation in the numbers," he said.

    "I know an awful lot of white people who don't have any kids at all."

    "It all averages out in the end," he said, and took a large swig of iced tea. Then he abruptly changed the suspect.

    "My son will probably have to cancel his wedding. We were all going to fly out to Australia next month, but obviously that's not going to happen now."

    I'd met his son a couple of times. He'd always come across as an ultra-swishy flamer. But I'd never explicitly confirmed his sexual orientation. And my acquaintance was a regular churchgoer who'd never expressed any sympathy for the pink brigades. So I played coy.

    "Well," I said, "if he and his future wife have at least one kid, then your family will end up growing in the next generation."

    I tried to say that line with a straight face, but I could hear a slight edge slipping into my voice as I said wife.

    My acquaintance shot me a sharp glance, as if I'd made a subtle but nasty joke at his expense. Now I knew that he knew that I knew the truth.

    "That's not going to happen," he said a few seconds later. He looked around to make sure that no one else was listening. (We were sitting in a semi-crowded restaurant.) Then he leaned over and whispered in my ear, "Just so you know, my son is getting married to another man."

    "Oh," I said, and abruptly changed the subject.

    "When you first started out at [major brokerage firm]," I asked, "did you ever imagine that one day a thousand-point daily drop in the Dow would be considered routine?"

    "No," he replied, "and I never imagined that I'd have to drive 20 miles and visit 50 different stores just to find a single roll of toilet paper."

    "We live in interesting times," I said.

    "We do indeed."
  14. View post on imgur.com

    Whites: -2.16%
    Blacks: -0.81%
    Natives: -2.44%
    Asians: -0.93%
    PIs: +3.02%
    Hispanic: -0.04%

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @gabriel alberton
    The displayed numbers do not add up, but like it says it only concerns births to single race women. Births to non-hispanic* women of two or more races, assuming that’s what missing, seem to have increased from 117,694 in 2018 to 121,258 in 2019.

    *In the report, total births are said to include those to "groups not shown separately, such as Hispanic White, Hispanic Black [both of which should be then counted under "Hispanic''] and Non-Hispanic multiple-race women''

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    From 2007 through 2019, here's the percentage fall in the number of births by ethnicity of the mother.

    White: -17.1%
    Black: -12.7%
    Asian PI: -2.4%
    Hispanic: -16.6%

    Decline from 2014 through 2019.

    White: -10.9%
    Black: -7.0%
    Asian PI: -12.2%
    Hispanic: -3.1%
    , @216
    The Chad Pacific Islander?
  15. @Reg Cæsar
    Nobelist genetic engineer Kary Mullis passed away in August. I wonder what he'd've made of this whole virus thing.


    In his 1998 humorous autobiography, Mullis expressed disagreement with the scientific evidence supporting climate change and ozone depletion, the evidence that HIV causes AIDS, and asserted his belief in astrology. Mullis claimed climate change and the HIV/AIDS connection are due to a conspiracy of environmentalists, government agencies, and scientists attempting to preserve their careers and earn money, rather than scientific evidence.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/kary_mullispersonal_views
     
    He had three children but only two grandchildren. Something to mullis over...

    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    There's a great but limited documentary about AIDS which has two must-see scenes, one is old gay men who were alive during the disco era discussing frankly how things were, the other is the narrator and filmmaker visiting one of South Africa's free AIDS testing kiosks. He is pretty recognizably to westerners gay, but is able to "deceive" the African test administrator. The fact that the test includes a verbal sexuality identification question (in Africa!) says everything.
    , @AnotherDad

    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.
     
    This is "Duh" territory. You didn't need to conduct extensive research to figure out that the whole thing was a scam. A double hinged scam.

    The minoritarian/homo/government-power Western side could ramp up AIDS hysteria and funding with "AIDS is killing millions of blacks in Africa!" "Africa is being destroyed by AIDS." Blacks are their sacred minoritarian totems and dismissing or even downplaying this non-threat is "racism!"

    Africans of course got more "aid" to fight AIDS. So why argue. Give 'em the statistics they want. Everyone dying of "AIDS" ... no problem!

    Of course, unless the typical African black is queer this was nonsense. And all the population statistics suggest they are not.

    Furthermore, if African promiscuity actually did make AIDS a huge threat there ... that would be *good* for Africa. It would "take out the trash" and encourage Africans to form more stable monogamous marriages, which is a bedrock of civilization. And it would be smarter and more conscientious Africans who would do it and survive. It would have pushed the "middleclasszation" of Africa which would have been a good thing. It's too bad AIDS wasn't scything through Africa. The result would have been a smarter, more conscientious, more disciplined, better Africa.
    , @ben tillman
    That's been known forever. AIDS diagnoses are generally done without an HIV test, and in the rare cases when tests are done local conditions produce a ton of false positives.
  16. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    Nope, will pull forward the declines, so it’ll look particularly bad next year.

  17. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:

    Our Deep State I think does not recognize the fire they are playing with demographically.

    In the future non-white presidents will be able to replace them(our white dominated Deep State) a little at a time by installing minorities in the hiring positions (HR) at these organizations. Whats the NYT and WaPo gonna do? Call them racist?

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Absolutely right.

    White Deep Staters and Liberals think that even in a predominately non-White America, they'll remain on top. No they won't. They'll be pushed out. We already see that at a municipal level where Republican mayors were replaced with White Democrats and then non-White Democrats.

    Non-Whites will fight among themselves for their share of the loot. For the most part, the only people who believe that "we're all Americans, we all bleed red" are White Gentiles. Almost everyone else is highly tribal and think that they are morally obligated to advance their tribe's interests.
  18. @RichardTaylor
    We've created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites. Not only the economic decline, but also the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.

    Then there's the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.

    The affirmative action, mass 3rd world immigration, "fair housing" laws against Whites, special set-asides for non-Whites, the constant demonization ... I wonder what you'd call this program if it were directed against any other people?

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.

    Lol, no. This is all in your sordid head.

    Interracial marriage is up for most groups, and higher for white men than white women.

    • Troll: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    Pew research data including Hispanics:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-00.png


    Majority of interracial in America is white male + Asian/Hispanic/Hapa female. Because these women look better than white women + white man is what women want.
    , @Charon
    White men take Asian chicks, white women do whatever their TV tells them to.
    , @res
    That 2000 stat for other race women is strange. Typo?

    Yes. It is 18.2 in the original source. Page 12 of
    https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chazelle/politics/bib/newmarriages05.pdf
    , @Anon
    Twenty year old data? Are you serious?

    Get some recent stats, lazy wanker.
  19. around 2010 I read UN global population projections. They often assumed, that fertility will converge for large groups for countries, like western countries. TFR differences between western countries are small compared to global differences anyway. However I thought of this convergence as rather unrealistic, as I thought in those small but persistent TFR differences between western countries will stay. But right now TFR in many countries like Germany, France, Russia and USA seems to converge. On the other hand Southern Europe experience a new nadir.

  20. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, in Missouri…

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    The problem is not that whites are not having children, it is that is the dumbest whites (particularly those bad at math, long term planning, and common sense) who are having most of the white children.
    , @anon
    Great, that is what Red-blooded America looks like - Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Congratulations Show-me Staters for showing how to overcome fear.
  21. @JohnPlywood

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.
     
    Lol, no. This is all in your sordid head.

    Interracial marriage is up for most groups, and higher for white men than white women.


    https://sk.sagepub.com/images/interracial-communication/9781412954587-p159-1.jpg

    Pew research data including Hispanics:

    Majority of interracial in America is white male + Asian/Hispanic/Hapa female. Because these women look better than white women + white man is what women want.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Where in the country are you? Can't be here.
    , @Jay Fink
    I am in a Northwestern city that is at least 50% Hispanic. A couple of observations. The Hispanic women are far prettier than the white women here. This is mostly because the white women here are the least attractive I have ever seen. Maybe it's because I am not a native to this region but I appear to be the only white male that even notices this. The white men of the NW are perfectly fine with the ugly looking, masculine white women. They don't even check out the Latinas much less date them.

    The Hispanic women are aware of how bad the white women look here and from what I understand sometimes call them "lesbian" in Spanish as they pass them by. They have a point. Some of these women do totally look like lesbians and then I am surprised to see they are straight and have a husband.

    I see more Hispanic male/white women couples than the other way around and the white women they pick are the absolute bottom of the barrel in looks and they are rough as hell. I don't understand why these Hispanic guys didn't want one of their own kind who mostly look like beauty queens in comparison. Not sure if there are any green card motives going on with those couples.

  22. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous (n)
    Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It's not like they're going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    As far as I can tell, whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks. As these groups decline in % as Asian and Hispanic % increases, I’d expect to see a large decline in anti-white animus.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    No. Asians will certainly sense an opportunity to finish us off
    , @Known Fact
    Maybe so, but Asian-American women and men who just showed up pretty much uninvited from India have kept the resentment pot bubbling on the NYT op-ed page
    , @Hypnotoad666

    whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks.
     
    Most anti-white animus actually comes from the class of over-educated, self-loathing white liberals. Those folks seem to also be the least likely to perpetuate their line. Maybe that's a silver lining of sorts.
  23. If the choice were negative birth rates or converting to Islam which would be the correct policy choice?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Talha, is that you?
  24. Are we going to do something about no-fault divorce? No? Then enjoy the respite from the sound of babies crying.
    —–
    This just came up in a 4chan thread and a government troll “nudged,” I am not making this up, that such pessimistic views are the result of echo chambering. Manfully he held himself back from talk of mysterious Russians. How would that work, we asked him (amid many colorful speculations about his intellect which I will not repeat here because you’re good people), do you expect that there’s a secret army of babies in, like, Utah or something? Indeed, the “other side” is not about underground baby warehouse claims (we will not be undersold, our prices are crazy), it’s “Your Baby Is Racist,” marriage is bad, childbirth is bad, men are Russian-Nazi-evil for expecting women to have babies, and if you must breed make sure to do it with someone from Africa. They literally do everything they can short of forced sterilization and then it dawns on them that the social-democratic welfare state is a pyramid scheme with a dwindling base. So sad. Buckyballs unite to form the tiniest violin …

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  25. @Anonymous

    According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.
     
    All is proceeding according to plan. It is in the rest of the world’s interest to knock the most talented group out of the competition.

    The typical white guy spends his day doing busy work at a cushy office job, firing off a few emails in between social media rantings about affirmative action. You all go around beating your chest and screaming that you’re proud to be white, when only about 10% of whites are doing things that bring value to the world. The talented 10th as y’all like to say lol.

    If you want white women to bear more children, maybe stop telling them they’re fat and intellectually inferior. That probably grosses them out.

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    White women aren't bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren't even interested in white women in the first place. White women are having fewer kids because the number of reproductive age white women has shrunk dramatically (average white is older than average minority).

    White men are producing a comparative ton of children with Asian and Hispanic women (fastest growing group in America is multiracial).
    , @bomag

    ...when only about 10% of whites are doing things that bring value to the world
     
    That's fine (probably a magnitude higher than other races), Pareto distribution and all that. What is being lost here is the support group and encouragement to the ten percent that matter.
    , @Jipyer benefits
    Most white "men" are lazy overweight weak and cowardly

    Most Men of Color are energetic physically fit strong and courageuos

    Men of Color or should I say Men of Valor serve more in the military are fighters and make better husbands
  26. @Dave Pinsen
    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.

    There’s a great but limited documentary about AIDS which has two must-see scenes, one is old gay men who were alive during the disco era discussing frankly how things were, the other is the narrator and filmmaker visiting one of South Africa’s free AIDS testing kiosks. He is pretty recognizably to westerners gay, but is able to “deceive” the African test administrator. The fact that the test includes a verbal sexuality identification question (in Africa!) says everything.

  27. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    No

  28. @Anonymous (n)
    Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It's not like they're going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    Do non-whites have a collective identity that is hostile to whites or something?

    • Replies: @216
    The academic left does.

    There is no academic right.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    Yeah, something like that.
    , @Bill Jones
    Joe Sobran got it right a while back:
    ""Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It's Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself.
    Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared.
    The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don't grasp what it really means: humiliation.
    The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn't conscious of it.
    And, superiority excites envy.
    Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities."
    Joseph Sobran, April 1997"
    , @sayless
    Non-whites are massively being taught to hate whites, so yes they often do. People will tend to believe what they are told over and over again, unless there is some positive quality in their character of independent thinking and goodwill; cf. the waves of feminist propoganda in the last three generations. It effected a sea change in the masses of women, and many men.

    Many non-whites are absorbing the message from academia, entertainment and the media, that they should be oppositional to white culture and white people, it becomes part of their identity.

    That being said, I live in a neighborhood that is predominately Dominican and Orthodox Jewish, and my encounters with the locals when I'm out and about are mostly very pleasant.

    The powers that be hate all of us I think.
  29. But that was down only imperceptibly from 886,210 in 2018. The bigger driver of the national decline was the decline in the number of births to white women.

    It would be interesting to know how many of those were attributable to white fathers.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    You can check "race of father" at wonder.cdc.gov for 2016-2018. It's very eye-opening.
  30. I’m 50/50 on whether the Wuhan virus and nearly 40 million unemployed will stop the ‘immigration now, immigration forever’ proponents from using this information to successfully lobby for even more immigration. Because it seems everyone now loves doom porn, which is exactly this, and it unfortunately helps the opposition.

    The United States had below replacement TFR from 1973 to 1988, then had a relatively stable 20 year run before we began to decline again in 2010. I do not see any reason to think birth rates will not rise again. What is critical is not getting swamped in the near term, to where successfully raising birth rates by 20 or 25 percent doesn’t matter anymore. Ever expanding populations are a desire of economists, governments, and business, but certainly not an unalloyed good. In the short term the population is still expanding anyway, as there were roughly 1 million more births than deaths in the United States in 2019. The non-Hispanic white population is declining slightly in total numbers, yes. But that can probably be stabilized relative to other groups in the United States if we reduce most outside input.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Spot on XYZ.


    I’m 50/50 on whether the Wuhan virus and nearly 40 million unemployed will stop the ‘immigration now, immigration forever’ proponents from using this information to successfully lobby for even more immigration.
     
    The XI globalization plague was obviously a huge rebuke to every principle these people hold, every argument they make. "Successfully lobby" i'm not sure. But that they will lobby for *more immigration* is locked in. The hatred and contempt for flyover country white gentiles and the desire to drown those pickup driving peasants in diversity is literally insatiable.

    What is critical is not getting swamped in the near term, to where successfully raising birth rates by 20 or 25 percent doesn’t matter anymore.
    ...
    The non-Hispanic white population is declining slightly in total numbers, yes. But that can probably be stabilized relative to other groups in the United States if we reduce most outside input.
     
    Exactly. If we can simply *stop* immigration this is tractable. Minoritarianism can be defeated. Assimilation of assimilable groups can be done. Minoritarian propaganda defeated, marriage and sex roles can be returned to norms that at least allow the reproduction and continuation of the American nation.

    All is not lost, *if*--if, a huge if and only if--immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it's over. America will be gone. We'll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.

    And the future of the West will depend critically on the outcome of rebellions and civil wars in Europe.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Agree, and for this:

    Because it seems everyone now loves doom porn, which is exactly this, and it unfortunately helps the opposition.
     
    agree bigly.
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    The United States had below replacement TFR from 1973 to 1988, then had a relatively stable 20 year run before we began to decline again in 2010. I do not see any reason to think birth rates will not rise again.
     
    You obviously are not thinking 4th dimensionally, Marty.

    Take a look at the population pyramid and try to understand wht it means for dependency ratios and reproductive age cohorts. Do you realize that the number of reproductive age women in the entire developed world declined in absolute terms in 2019 and will be declining from here on out, and that those women are haveing fewer than 2 children? There is a protracted demographic winter already baked into the cake that nobody can do anything about---those missing people have already been not born.

    It would take a sustained campaign of far above replacement fertility to stabilize the population at this point. It isn't going to happen.
  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://imgur.com/a/EQc7ROa

    Whites: -2.16%
    Blacks: -0.81%
    Natives: -2.44%
    Asians: -0.93%
    PIs: +3.02%
    Hispanic: -0.04%

    The displayed numbers do not add up, but like it says it only concerns births to single race women. Births to non-hispanic* women of two or more races, assuming that’s what missing, seem to have increased from 117,694 in 2018 to 121,258 in 2019.

    *In the report, total births are said to include those to “groups not shown separately, such as Hispanic White, Hispanic Black [both of which should be then counted under “Hispanic”] and Non-Hispanic multiple-race women”

  32. This has been obvious since early 2016. Trump is just a reality show being offered to let white voters “own the libs” while in reality the underlying direction of the country has not changed at all.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    This seemed also to be true of Reagan back in the day. There were lower taxes and a revival of the military, but the culture continued to go left, and we got amnesty, Sandra Day O' Connor, and Tony Kennedy.
  33. @Slimer
    The typical white guy spends his day doing busy work at a cushy office job, firing off a few emails in between social media rantings about affirmative action. You all go around beating your chest and screaming that you're proud to be white, when only about 10% of whites are doing things that bring value to the world. The talented 10th as y'all like to say lol.

    If you want white women to bear more children, maybe stop telling them they're fat and intellectually inferior. That probably grosses them out.

    White women aren’t bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren’t even interested in white women in the first place. White women are having fewer kids because the number of reproductive age white women has shrunk dramatically (average white is older than average minority).

    White men are producing a comparative ton of children with Asian and Hispanic women (fastest growing group in America is multiracial).

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    So doesn't that make Slimer right, its still white men's fault? Plus Hispanics are a mythical race. Quite a few are ...ahem... white Europeans.
    , @Bigdicknick
    Men are the attractive gender of white people. Something that doesn't seem to be understood by the race realist sphere.
    , @ben tillman

    White women aren’t bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren’t even interested in white women in the first place.
     
    You're an idiot.
    , @Jack Henson
    I'm old enough to remember when "Castiza nationalism" was just a meme on RW body builder twitter but here we are with it becoming a reality.
  34. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    If by “baby boom” you mean “broken homes” then sure.

  35. @JohnPlywood

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.
     
    Lol, no. This is all in your sordid head.

    Interracial marriage is up for most groups, and higher for white men than white women.


    https://sk.sagepub.com/images/interracial-communication/9781412954587-p159-1.jpg

    White men take Asian chicks, white women do whatever their TV tells them to.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    White men taking Asian chicks is what the tv tells them to do
  36. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://imgur.com/a/EQc7ROa

    Whites: -2.16%
    Blacks: -0.81%
    Natives: -2.44%
    Asians: -0.93%
    PIs: +3.02%
    Hispanic: -0.04%

    From 2007 through 2019, here’s the percentage fall in the number of births by ethnicity of the mother.

    White: -17.1%
    Black: -12.7%
    Asian PI: -2.4%
    Hispanic: -16.6%

    Decline from 2014 through 2019.

    White: -10.9%
    Black: -7.0%
    Asian PI: -12.2%
    Hispanic: -3.1%

  37. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "The federal government has a program to discourage teen births. It worked."

    The thing is, apparently it's also working to discourage births across the board as well. What exactly was the plan to discourage teen births? Just say no, Norplant, or something along the lines of sterilization. Would be interesting to see if abortion levels among teens are at an all time high as well.

    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.

    • Replies: @PennTothal
    I wonder how accurate abortion stats are post-2000, when the FDA approved the abortion pill.

    Prior to 2000, all abortions required a procedure that could only be done in an abortion clinic or OB/GYN office. This likely increased the accuracy of surveillance / stats on abortion.

    After 2000, most abortions (almost ALL of them in well-educated women in early pregnancy) occur in the privacy of the home, a couple days after taking a few pills that can be prescribed by a GP or family physician. This more private method may be less amenable to surveillance, and statistical tracking.

    , @Known Fact
    The theory was that teen girls are spending more time on social media and less time actually going out to enjoy "risky behaviors." I don't know if that has been validated at all.

    I suppose it also could be more diligent use of contraception, more oral sex vs. baby-making sex, or perhaps kids now hang out more with members of their own sex rather than in mixed groups or pairs that might lead to "poor life choices."
    , @DRA
    I've been noticing that young ladies on a professional track are more often having eggs frozen to improve their chances of successfully having there own genetic children at a later age.

    If so, there may be selection for a tendency for long time preference.

    Working on our family tree and genealogical data, I have noticed a pronounced increase in family size when my ancestors were part of settlement on the advancing frontier. That is in line with Steve's thoughts on affordable family formation, in that children were useful labor on the frontier rather than a net cost to the parents.
    , @Abelard Lindsey
    You know, it might be that kids today may actually be more functional and rational than we like to give credit for. I was in the "preppy" crowd when I was in HS. We aspired to the good life of career, money, and travel. Knocking a girl up was viewed as a horrible disaster that would forever prevent the pursuit of what we wanted in life. The only things that were considered worse than knocking a girl up was permanent injury and death. Perhaps kids today think the same way we did at the time.
    , @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    The teen birthrate actually peaked in 1957.
    In 1991 the teen birth rate was 30% lower , mostly due to abortion. In 1957 the teen birthrate was 96 per 1000 and had fallen to 62 per 1000 by 1991.
    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2002/02/teen-pregnancy-trends-and-lessons-learned
    , @Anon
    I'd say the most important factor is the decline in the marriage rate. Lower-class girls have always been the primary ones having kids out of wedlock. In the 1980s, it was still possible to fool a lower-class girl into unprotected sex by saying you'll marry her afterwards. Today, no lower-class girl believes that line. She likely doesn't know a single woman in her entire social circle who's actually married. For a lower-class girl, getting a man to commit to marriage is like spotting Bigfoot. So she knows she better not get pregnant or she'll be stuck with a kid and the husband won't be around to provide an income for it.

    There's another factor, namely there seems to be a gradual Darwinian penalty for a population that average only two offspring per woman if the woman carries genes for reckless behavior and chooses to have children out of wedlock.

    If you were a woman with reckless genes in 1800, and had ten kids out of wedlock, enough of those kids would have survived with those reckless genes to keep reckless genes spreading and multiplying. But in modern times, have only two children can cut off your genes lines quickly. If your kids have stupid car accidents, drug/alcohol overdoses, or STDs, the chances of them surviving to reproduce begins to drop by a large mathematical factor. The effect becomes very clear when you look at your grandchildren (if they exist).

    Evolution moves FAST in a population in which every person has no more than 2 offspring. There's a ton of winnowing that takes place. Every generation from now on, we're going to see a fundamental change in the overall character of the American population. Evolution is a slower process if every person has 4-6 offspring.

    One thing I've noticed is that Millennials are more cautious and obedient than Boomers, which to me indicates they are more often the children of that section of the Boomers who were more cautious and obedient themselves. This trait may become even more pronounced in the children of Millennials.
  38. I get the feeling that there is a big bump in the white child graph above age 40: That’s when all the New York elites and lesbian couples “have” their kids.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I get the feeling that there is a big bump in the white child graph above age 40: That’s when all the New York elites and lesbian couples “have” their kids.
     
    What is significant about the word “have”?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Both groups, combined, are insignificant in the national total-birth and fertility-rate numbers.
  39. @JohnnyWalker123
    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_Abortion-pregnancy-rates-declined-among-teenagers-US.png

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.
     

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.
     

    I wonder how accurate abortion stats are post-2000, when the FDA approved the abortion pill.

    Prior to 2000, all abortions required a procedure that could only be done in an abortion clinic or OB/GYN office. This likely increased the accuracy of surveillance / stats on abortion.

    After 2000, most abortions (almost ALL of them in well-educated women in early pregnancy) occur in the privacy of the home, a couple days after taking a few pills that can be prescribed by a GP or family physician. This more private method may be less amenable to surveillance, and statistical tracking.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @epebble
    Actually, the Morning-After pill (Plan B) is over the counter.
  40. Maybe a marketing expert should study groups like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, government workers, and others to see what they are doing right.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    Like the minority groups that live their lives on the public teat, there are many Mormons and Orthodox Jews abusing the welfare "system".
    , @Anonymous

    Maybe a marketing expert should study groups like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, government workers, and others to see what they are doing right.
     
    Jews, and not just Orthodox Jews, are conscious of and speak openly among themselves about “planning for the Jewish People” and Jewish continuity.
  41. What’s the total fertility rate by race?

    This declines probably due to whites being older on average and having fewer women in childbearing years.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood, Peter Frost
  42. @Anonymous (n)
    Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It's not like they're going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    I’m not sure the “hated” part is really all that important to you though. What if the culture changes by then and whites are a non-hated minority?

    • Replies: @Alan Mercer
    "What if ... whites are a non-hated minority?"

    Counterpoint:

    "At the height of the lame, doomed 'Red Scare,' the Brown Scare was ten times bigger. You may think it was difficult making a living as a communist screenwriter in 1954. It was a lot easier than being a fascist screenwriter. Or even an anticommunist screenwriter. (Same thing, right?) And as any pathetic last shreds of real opposition shrink and die off, the Scare only grows. That's how winners play it. That's just how the permanent revolution rolls."
    - Moldbug
  43. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    I think it’s exact opposite – with ” social distancing ” hysteria it will be kinda hard from now on to even get a partner to make babies,and since white woman are among the most fanatical about lockdowns and ” keeping the distance ” what we gonna see is huge sharp drop in number of new births in coming years .

    I think elites decided they cannot wait for 20-30 years for America to start looking like Brazil so they decided to hurry up the process .

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    Yes, my impression is that things are going to become even harder now for white fertility.
    What "baby boom"? A baby boom would happen if there was an economic boom, but here we have a semi-fake plague that doesn't really reduce population (maybe the vaccine will do that), an economic crisis, and "social distancing" which makes even more harder for white people to meet.
    Even for those married who "stayed at home" during the pandemic, I doubt that they were making more babies than usual. If anything, it seems to have increased the number of divorces.
    This will just will continue the dysgenic trends.
    , @Guest007
    Actually, the Trump Administration through its horrible messaging and confusion have decided that Italy should not be our role model but that Brazil is the best role model for handing Covid-19.
  44. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    Well if it doesn’t, we’ll always have next year’s lock down to try again.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Well if it doesn’t, we’ll always have next year’s lock down to try again."

    Next year? Oh no, my friendo - the CDC, media, and Democratic Party have promised a second wave of hysteria later THIS year, 'darkest winter' and etc.
  45. @RichardTaylor
    We've created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites. Not only the economic decline, but also the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.

    Then there's the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.

    The affirmative action, mass 3rd world immigration, "fair housing" laws against Whites, special set-asides for non-Whites, the constant demonization ... I wonder what you'd call this program if it were directed against any other people?

    A fellow said to me: “My wife and I wanted a third child, but we couldn’t afford it. I figure I’m supporting three kids in Newark. Do I ever get so much as a Father’s Day card?”

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  46. Don’t just complain about it, work on solutions.

    Sure, there are lots of complex financial, economic, cultural components at play. But none of this is unsolvable.

    First, the young men here can directly choose to have large families and choose careers that accommodate that. The older men who are passed their child bearing years can encourage and possibly financially support close family to have more children. They can also work on cultural, economic, and political changes.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    No! More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is! So choosing to have large families ain't happening! No fault divirce, blowing up the marriage in five years to go "eat pray love", hop back on the cock carousel, while the man walks away losing his house, assets, rights to have even a miniscule say in how his kids are raised, and in many cases not being able to see them at all! So you can "just do it" the smart set will not!
  47. @anon
    Our Deep State I think does not recognize the fire they are playing with demographically.

    In the future non-white presidents will be able to replace them(our white dominated Deep State) a little at a time by installing minorities in the hiring positions (HR) at these organizations. Whats the NYT and WaPo gonna do? Call them racist?

    Absolutely right.

    White Deep Staters and Liberals think that even in a predominately non-White America, they’ll remain on top. No they won’t. They’ll be pushed out. We already see that at a municipal level where Republican mayors were replaced with White Democrats and then non-White Democrats.

    Non-Whites will fight among themselves for their share of the loot. For the most part, the only people who believe that “we’re all Americans, we all bleed red” are White Gentiles. Almost everyone else is highly tribal and think that they are morally obligated to advance their tribe’s interests.

    • Replies: @J S Raggmann
    I have read that if a Bantu in Africa or any other third-world person wants to start a retail business and have any chance to succeed, he must move to another country where he has no relatives or close friends. In his home town or country, his tribal members expect him to provide freebies to all of them. In the same way, a Bantu or Pajeet or other third world person who manages to get a government position is expected to use that position to reward his relatives. Works the same way here, when third-world people move here.

    Stores in ghetto areas fail because tribal culture demands that Bantu enployees ignore shoplifting by other members of their tribe. Various excuses are trotted out for comsumption by the credulous, but the real reason is fealty to tribal culture. Bantu mayors are expected to provide goodies to relatives and friends, and because their vision is colored by immersion in tribal culture, Bantus cannot understand why the melanin deprived object to the practice, and blame bigotry for the whinging about corruption.

    Considering their cultures, the expectations of third-world peoples transplanted into the DSSA are reasonable. However, the cultures of third-world peoples and the western culture that emphasizes private property and meritocracy cannot exist side by side in the same political entity. One side of the cultural conflict must surrender, or the conflict of cultures will lead to bloody civil war. Better people and smarter people than me have already told everybody that we have never had a civil war, but the fact is worth repeating. The death toll from the 1861-1865 war of conquest will be dwarfed by the death toll from the coming civil war.

    Yeah, I really don't know what the words credulous and fealty mean, but those words sure dress up a sentence.

    , @epebble
    But that is not what is happening in Mexico (and also many other Western Hemisphere countries). My guess is Hispanics don't have a problem with White leadership as long as it skews Democrat. Same with Blacks and others too. The tide is Democratic, not non-White. Even when Whites are well below 50%, they are likely to be the preferred mediating group for leadership.
  48. @Anonymous (n)
    Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It's not like they're going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    With that miserable attitude, sure. Personally, I’d rather people like myself survive and prosper.

  49. @Slimer
    The typical white guy spends his day doing busy work at a cushy office job, firing off a few emails in between social media rantings about affirmative action. You all go around beating your chest and screaming that you're proud to be white, when only about 10% of whites are doing things that bring value to the world. The talented 10th as y'all like to say lol.

    If you want white women to bear more children, maybe stop telling them they're fat and intellectually inferior. That probably grosses them out.

    …when only about 10% of whites are doing things that bring value to the world

    That’s fine (probably a magnitude higher than other races), Pareto distribution and all that. What is being lost here is the support group and encouragement to the ten percent that matter.

  50. @RichardTaylor
    We've created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites. Not only the economic decline, but also the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.

    Then there's the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.

    The affirmative action, mass 3rd world immigration, "fair housing" laws against Whites, special set-asides for non-Whites, the constant demonization ... I wonder what you'd call this program if it were directed against any other people?

    We’ve created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites.

    It’s not just whites; family formation is difficult for the educated middle/upper classes of all races in Western Civilization.

    the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.

    There is a correlation with race, but it’s not just whites paying in and non-whites taking out. Lots of whites are on welfare. And many non-whites pay in.

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact.

    Probably. This can and should be countered. The younger men here should have more children. The older men here should fight the culture war.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor

    The older men here should fight the culture war.
     
    Yes, I'd like to see more older men take risks that the young really shouldn't be taking. Especially someone who has a guaranteed income.

    Now, I would technically say it's not just a culture war, it's about calling out an anti-White agenda as well.
    , @Saxon

    There is a correlation with race, but it’s not just whites paying in and non-whites taking out. Lots of whites are on welfare. And many non-whites pay in.
     
    Not on the macro level. On the macro level probably only whites and some subsets of east Asians (the more honest ones like Japanese and maybe Koreans) are as a group paying into the system. So it's a group-level wealth transfer.
  51. @Rob McX
    And as if that weren't enough, whites will now be blamed for the (mostly non-existent) "wave of hate" against Asians in the US.

    (mostly non-existent) “wave of hate” against Asians

    In the current age, if you aren’t hugging a foreigner; actively inviting them into the country; and giving them your stuff, then you are a hater.

  52. All women and especially white girls are increasingly craving Men of Color

    The truth is that white “men” are undesirable

    Old slow no rhythm in or out of bed clumsy awkward obsessed with video games

    • Disagree: notsaying
    • Replies: @fish
    Hi Tinys.....does Lrnderp put his lil Lenderp in yo Jipyer?
  53. @Gurney Halleck
    As a Somali I plan to, inshallah, import a virginal bride from the home country and perpetuate my race.

    The media is constantly telling me that you are here purely to grow the GDP while escaping certain death in the home country.

    Thanks for your honesty.

  54. iSteve has become blatantly more irrelevant to current events and future outcomes.

    Clearly Kung Flu Hoax is a power grab by our parasitic, genocidal elite with

    goal of eliminating most of humanity. The majority of humanity is increasingly redundant

    due to AI and robots. We are expensive blight upon the environment. Especially

    people of your age Steve–social security/pension and Medicare financial black holes.

    Emmanuel wants us useless eaters disposed of promptly.

    iSteve discussion is even less germane to current “trends” and useless than

    Derbyshire’s writings.

  55. @JohnPlywood
    White women aren't bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren't even interested in white women in the first place. White women are having fewer kids because the number of reproductive age white women has shrunk dramatically (average white is older than average minority).

    White men are producing a comparative ton of children with Asian and Hispanic women (fastest growing group in America is multiracial).

    So doesn’t that make Slimer right, its still white men’s fault? Plus Hispanics are a mythical race. Quite a few are …ahem… white Europeans.

    • Replies: @Foreign Expert
    Didn’t I read somewhere that Hispanics identify as white after a couple generations.
  56. @Slimer
    The typical white guy spends his day doing busy work at a cushy office job, firing off a few emails in between social media rantings about affirmative action. You all go around beating your chest and screaming that you're proud to be white, when only about 10% of whites are doing things that bring value to the world. The talented 10th as y'all like to say lol.

    If you want white women to bear more children, maybe stop telling them they're fat and intellectually inferior. That probably grosses them out.

    Most white “men” are lazy overweight weak and cowardly

    Most Men of Color are energetic physically fit strong and courageuos

    Men of Color or should I say Men of Valor serve more in the military are fighters and make better husbands

    • Replies: @fish

    Men of Color or should I say Men of Valor serve more in the military are fighters and make better husbands

     

    Hi Tinys......doing your "bendy" exercises fo you huzbend??
  57. @Anonymous
    As far as I can tell, whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks. As these groups decline in % as Asian and Hispanic % increases, I'd expect to see a large decline in anti-white animus.

    No. Asians will certainly sense an opportunity to finish us off

  58. @Charon
    White men take Asian chicks, white women do whatever their TV tells them to.

    White men taking Asian chicks is what the tv tells them to do

  59. The federal government has a program to discourage teen births. It worked.

    Yeah, it’s called Roe v. Wade.

  60. Why would anyone in these “uncertain times of being all together” want to have a kid? The baby will ultimately be a science project for all the Covid marketeers and cowards. You also have the infantile black rage, the kosher vengeance bender, and the Asians whine-a-thon that will be targeting your kid for just being white. Then mama nature currently has lined up her ring of fire, solar minimum, and magnetic pole shift to do what likely will be a major human cull event. There are times I think we are ahead of the curve, and should just welcome our self made extinction.

  61. No matter what anyone says interracial marriage will come to a screeching halt. The weaker members of the white herd have been culled and the remaining white families are quite strong and far too genetically distant from non-whites…not even a hapa will get in. I’m seeing the first signs of this now with some divorces. People like being with their own especially in unsure times.

    Then things will get interesting because minorities and our wonderful overlords will switch to a different strategy.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    I think marriage itself will come to a screeching halt. I see so much divorce around me that I often wonder why people even bother with making their phony promises anymore. Do they just want a fancy party and great pictures? Maybe a family reunion and a chance to be the stars of the show?

    Anyway, outside of the devotedly religious, I see no marriages making it to the death of one spouse. Interracial marriages may not be helping, but in the long run, for most people, it probably doesn't matter. They'll all split up eventually.

    Please, please, prove me wrong.
  62. The wisest thing that chateau heartiste ever said (and this is a pretty high bar) was:

    “If you want to know whether a man is happy in his relationship, then just ask yourself “Would you f**k her?” If the answer is yes, then be assured that he is happy.”

    The simple fact is that white women are by no means the most appealing option for white men these days. They face stiff competition from Asian woman, and in America I suppose “Hispanic” women. I went to the supermarket the other night and there was some poor white sucker with his white girlfriend. She was extremely obese, so that her thighs sagged in a grotesque way. English of course, Eastern European birds have far more self respect. He looked ashamed to be with her. He wasn’t much to look at either, tbh, with noodle arms, but still.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    Chateau Heartiste was a degenerative lout who sired no white offspring. Of course it doesn’t help when you idolize to an elitist such as himself who virtue signaled how white men and women ought to look and act.

    Interracial marriage will continue to sojourn on. Normies make their own decisions about race and marriage. So in the grand scheme of things, the white race will remain a potent force.

  63. @JohnPlywood
    White women aren't bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren't even interested in white women in the first place. White women are having fewer kids because the number of reproductive age white women has shrunk dramatically (average white is older than average minority).

    White men are producing a comparative ton of children with Asian and Hispanic women (fastest growing group in America is multiracial).

    Men are the attractive gender of white people. Something that doesn’t seem to be understood by the race realist sphere.

    • Agree: JohnPlywood
    • Replies: @Jack D

    Men are the attractive gender of white people.
     
    Well, maybe to you they are. Personally I am attracted only to women.

    Seriously, the absolutely most beautiful humans on earth are (a small percentage of ) white women. Of course most white women (especially nowadays, when obesity is rampant) fall far short of that standard. But even on average, the average white woman is far more attractive than the average black woman (and most black women have heavily altered their natural appearance, especially wrt their hair). As for white women vs. Asian, I would say that whites are still more attractive EQUALIZING FOR WEIGHT. But the problem in real life is that there is no equality of weight - the average white woman is much fatter than the average Asian woman.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    "Men are the attractive gender of white people."

    Gonna have to disagree with you, Bigdick. Sure, there are loads of good-looking white men like me and Roger Moore, but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty. White women can be quite exquisite in so many ways. Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.
  64. @Dave Pinsen
    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.

    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.

    This is “Duh” territory. You didn’t need to conduct extensive research to figure out that the whole thing was a scam. A double hinged scam.

    The minoritarian/homo/government-power Western side could ramp up AIDS hysteria and funding with “AIDS is killing millions of blacks in Africa!” “Africa is being destroyed by AIDS.” Blacks are their sacred minoritarian totems and dismissing or even downplaying this non-threat is “racism!”

    Africans of course got more “aid” to fight AIDS. So why argue. Give ’em the statistics they want. Everyone dying of “AIDS” … no problem!

    Of course, unless the typical African black is queer this was nonsense. And all the population statistics suggest they are not.

    Furthermore, if African promiscuity actually did make AIDS a huge threat there … that would be *good* for Africa. It would “take out the trash” and encourage Africans to form more stable monogamous marriages, which is a bedrock of civilization. And it would be smarter and more conscientious Africans who would do it and survive. It would have pushed the “middleclasszation” of Africa which would have been a good thing. It’s too bad AIDS wasn’t scything through Africa. The result would have been a smarter, more conscientious, more disciplined, better Africa.

    • Replies: @Pontius
    I remember talking to a guy from Mauritania a few years ago who rolled his eyes when my friend mentioned the toll AIDS was taking in Africa. He said if you took the stats and did the math everyone in Africa would have been dead already. Then we talked about a recent lynching in Nigeria when a group of men killed a missionary accusing him of stealing their genitals. He laughed and said sardonically, "Yes....but Nigeria..."
  65. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I'm 50/50 on whether the Wuhan virus and nearly 40 million unemployed will stop the 'immigration now, immigration forever' proponents from using this information to successfully lobby for even more immigration. Because it seems everyone now loves doom porn, which is exactly this, and it unfortunately helps the opposition.

    The United States had below replacement TFR from 1973 to 1988, then had a relatively stable 20 year run before we began to decline again in 2010. I do not see any reason to think birth rates will not rise again. What is critical is not getting swamped in the near term, to where successfully raising birth rates by 20 or 25 percent doesn't matter anymore. Ever expanding populations are a desire of economists, governments, and business, but certainly not an unalloyed good. In the short term the population is still expanding anyway, as there were roughly 1 million more births than deaths in the United States in 2019. The non-Hispanic white population is declining slightly in total numbers, yes. But that can probably be stabilized relative to other groups in the United States if we reduce most outside input.

    Spot on XYZ.

    I’m 50/50 on whether the Wuhan virus and nearly 40 million unemployed will stop the ‘immigration now, immigration forever’ proponents from using this information to successfully lobby for even more immigration.

    The XI globalization plague was obviously a huge rebuke to every principle these people hold, every argument they make. “Successfully lobby” i’m not sure. But that they will lobby for *more immigration* is locked in. The hatred and contempt for flyover country white gentiles and the desire to drown those pickup driving peasants in diversity is literally insatiable.

    What is critical is not getting swamped in the near term, to where successfully raising birth rates by 20 or 25 percent doesn’t matter anymore.

    The non-Hispanic white population is declining slightly in total numbers, yes. But that can probably be stabilized relative to other groups in the United States if we reduce most outside input.

    Exactly. If we can simply *stop* immigration this is tractable. Minoritarianism can be defeated. Assimilation of assimilable groups can be done. Minoritarian propaganda defeated, marriage and sex roles can be returned to norms that at least allow the reproduction and continuation of the American nation.

    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.

    And the future of the West will depend critically on the outcome of rebellions and civil wars in Europe.

    • Replies: @Massimo Heitor

    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I'd reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.

    I think you should keep fighting for immigration restriction. Support CIS and NumbersUSA.

    But I'd plan on losing. Yes, America and Europe, as we know them will be gone. We will build a future anyway.
  66. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://imgur.com/a/EQc7ROa

    Whites: -2.16%
    Blacks: -0.81%
    Natives: -2.44%
    Asians: -0.93%
    PIs: +3.02%
    Hispanic: -0.04%

    The Chad Pacific Islander?

  67. @Gurney Halleck
    Do non-whites have a collective identity that is hostile to whites or something?

    The academic left does.

    There is no academic right.

  68. Don’t worry!

    According to our corporate masters, every problem we face can be solved by:

    1. More tax cuts for the rich
    2. More cheap immigrant labor

    If you disagree with #1, you are a Communist.
    If you disagree with #2, you are a racist xenophobe.

    That is Not Who We Are.

  69. When I see a 35-year-old today, I’m envious. To be without a mortgage, children and now a job, what freedom! It reminds me of summers when I was a teenager, when Fleetwood Mac and Steely Dan were on the radio.

    In some regards prices have changed though. At 27, my first starting home was $140K, which in today’s dollars, would be about $80K in student debt.

  70. @JohnnyWalker123
    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_Abortion-pregnancy-rates-declined-among-teenagers-US.png

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.
     

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.
     

    The theory was that teen girls are spending more time on social media and less time actually going out to enjoy “risky behaviors.” I don’t know if that has been validated at all.

    I suppose it also could be more diligent use of contraception, more oral sex vs. baby-making sex, or perhaps kids now hang out more with members of their own sex rather than in mixed groups or pairs that might lead to “poor life choices.”

  71. Charles Erwin Wilson [AKA "Charles Erwin Wilson Three"] says:
    @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I'm 50/50 on whether the Wuhan virus and nearly 40 million unemployed will stop the 'immigration now, immigration forever' proponents from using this information to successfully lobby for even more immigration. Because it seems everyone now loves doom porn, which is exactly this, and it unfortunately helps the opposition.

    The United States had below replacement TFR from 1973 to 1988, then had a relatively stable 20 year run before we began to decline again in 2010. I do not see any reason to think birth rates will not rise again. What is critical is not getting swamped in the near term, to where successfully raising birth rates by 20 or 25 percent doesn't matter anymore. Ever expanding populations are a desire of economists, governments, and business, but certainly not an unalloyed good. In the short term the population is still expanding anyway, as there were roughly 1 million more births than deaths in the United States in 2019. The non-Hispanic white population is declining slightly in total numbers, yes. But that can probably be stabilized relative to other groups in the United States if we reduce most outside input.

    Agree, and for this:

    Because it seems everyone now loves doom porn, which is exactly this, and it unfortunately helps the opposition.

    agree bigly.

  72. @Anonymous
    As far as I can tell, whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks. As these groups decline in % as Asian and Hispanic % increases, I'd expect to see a large decline in anti-white animus.

    Maybe so, but Asian-American women and men who just showed up pretty much uninvited from India have kept the resentment pot bubbling on the NYT op-ed page

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yes, good point, it doesn't seem too hard to find Indians who seem to genuinely resent/hate whites. Maybe Near Easterners/Arab Worlders as well?
  73. @AnotherDad
    Spot on XYZ.


    I’m 50/50 on whether the Wuhan virus and nearly 40 million unemployed will stop the ‘immigration now, immigration forever’ proponents from using this information to successfully lobby for even more immigration.
     
    The XI globalization plague was obviously a huge rebuke to every principle these people hold, every argument they make. "Successfully lobby" i'm not sure. But that they will lobby for *more immigration* is locked in. The hatred and contempt for flyover country white gentiles and the desire to drown those pickup driving peasants in diversity is literally insatiable.

    What is critical is not getting swamped in the near term, to where successfully raising birth rates by 20 or 25 percent doesn’t matter anymore.
    ...
    The non-Hispanic white population is declining slightly in total numbers, yes. But that can probably be stabilized relative to other groups in the United States if we reduce most outside input.
     
    Exactly. If we can simply *stop* immigration this is tractable. Minoritarianism can be defeated. Assimilation of assimilable groups can be done. Minoritarian propaganda defeated, marriage and sex roles can be returned to norms that at least allow the reproduction and continuation of the American nation.

    All is not lost, *if*--if, a huge if and only if--immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it's over. America will be gone. We'll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.

    And the future of the West will depend critically on the outcome of rebellions and civil wars in Europe.

    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.

    I’d reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.

    I think you should keep fighting for immigration restriction. Support CIS and NumbersUSA.

    But I’d plan on losing. Yes, America and Europe, as we know them will be gone. We will build a future anyway.

    • Replies: @bomag

    We will build a future anyway.
     
    Probably an important point: there will be White people; and White areas; under encroachment; one needs to work toward stemming and reversing the tide.
    , @S. Anonyia
    This isn’t really true. European hispanics still politically/socially dominate mixed-race Latin America. And (secular) Jews have had low birth rates longer than just about any other group, yet they still dominate media/academia.
    , @AnotherDad


    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I’d reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.
     
    The issue is reversibility.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that's a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in--they are in and you're stuck with them. Think "legacy of slavery".

    In contrast, fertility is reversible. If we run at this 1.65 US whites have now, for a generation, the next generation would be 80% the size of the previous. But you could completely recover that by having fertility that was 25% greater than replacement in the next generation. (That's quite a snap back, but fertility does jump around considerably.)

    And honestly, in the absence of immigration--a mono-ethnic state--you don't necessarily need to recover it. Japan has very low fertility and in absolute population decline. But that means every year jobs readily available, wages are solid and housing gets cheaper. As conditions for family formation improve, and non/low breeders weeded from the gene pool, Japan's fertility will bounce back. They'll have a less populated nation ... but still have a nation! Still be Japanese.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That's about the white population in 1960--hardly extinction. The problem is not their numbers, but that white Americans no longer reside in their own nation.
  74. the late, lamented economic good times.

    They were not that good. Even after 10 “boom” years, the employment-to-population ratio was still lower than any year of the 90s. The official unemployment rate was distorted by people who went on disability or just plain gave up trying to get a job. And the jobs paid worse than they used to and the cost of important things like housing, health care, college and even food skyrocketed. I mean, trust your lying eyes here. Government inflation measures never captured this.

    Trump made a dent in the decline but it was too little, and now, too late.

  75. @AnotherDad

    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.
     
    This is "Duh" territory. You didn't need to conduct extensive research to figure out that the whole thing was a scam. A double hinged scam.

    The minoritarian/homo/government-power Western side could ramp up AIDS hysteria and funding with "AIDS is killing millions of blacks in Africa!" "Africa is being destroyed by AIDS." Blacks are their sacred minoritarian totems and dismissing or even downplaying this non-threat is "racism!"

    Africans of course got more "aid" to fight AIDS. So why argue. Give 'em the statistics they want. Everyone dying of "AIDS" ... no problem!

    Of course, unless the typical African black is queer this was nonsense. And all the population statistics suggest they are not.

    Furthermore, if African promiscuity actually did make AIDS a huge threat there ... that would be *good* for Africa. It would "take out the trash" and encourage Africans to form more stable monogamous marriages, which is a bedrock of civilization. And it would be smarter and more conscientious Africans who would do it and survive. It would have pushed the "middleclasszation" of Africa which would have been a good thing. It's too bad AIDS wasn't scything through Africa. The result would have been a smarter, more conscientious, more disciplined, better Africa.

    I remember talking to a guy from Mauritania a few years ago who rolled his eyes when my friend mentioned the toll AIDS was taking in Africa. He said if you took the stats and did the math everyone in Africa would have been dead already. Then we talked about a recent lynching in Nigeria when a group of men killed a missionary accusing him of stealing their genitals. He laughed and said sardonically, “Yes….but Nigeria…”

  76. Steve, if you haven’t already, you should post about Carle Zimmerman’s *Family and Civilization.* These problems go way way back in history (I.e. the decline of Rome & replacement by pholoprogenitive Celts and Germans).

    The Baby Boom was a false dawn for familism. U.S. coastal elites were already atomistic individualists by 1800. Ben Franklin noticed this.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Speech_of_Polly_Baker
    It was the Catholics and Lutherans who really filled up the country.

    The difference between Israel & the U.S. is more than just good policy vs. bad policy. It is about a deep existential-metaphysical belief in being part of something larger than oneself. More:

    https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/how-families-contribute-to-the-rise-and-fall-of-civilizations/
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/repository/evolution-individualism-and-the-end-of-the-family/

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    The difference between Israel & the U.S. is more than just good policy vs. bad policy. It is about a deep existential-metaphysical belief in being part of something larger than oneself. More:


    Civilizational self confidence is the sine qua non of a healthy birthrate, all else is commentary. This is the true damage of the 1619 project and its ilk, they sap the self confidence of the nation. Destroying the self regard and self confidence of a civilization is the worst sort of civilizational subversion and is almost invariably fatal.
  77. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, in Missouri...

    https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1264623852845441031

    The problem is not that whites are not having children, it is that is the dumbest whites (particularly those bad at math, long term planning, and common sense) who are having most of the white children.

    • Replies: @The Practical Conservative
    This isn't true. Using college education as a proxy, a majority of white babies are born to degreed women (bachelor's or more).
  78. @Malenfant
    With unemployment the way it is?

    Besides, birth control is awfully effective in this day and age. And abortion clinics are "essential businesses" in most states.

    I'll bet you that the 2020 birth rate is even lower than 2019, and that there's no rebound in the early months of 2021. How about it?

    “…birth control is awfully effective in this day and age”

    No kidding. You wouldn’t think this was true, given the way women scream and moan about the right to abortion, because they might get pregnant at any time, and ruin their chances of being a Fields Medal winner or something like that.

    I have a friend who is a reproductive endocrinologist, he’s the one you see if you and your wife aren’t getting pregnant. He says that doctor-prescribed oral contraception combined with a condom is so effective, that if a woman who claims to use this combination during sex gets pregnant, he assumes she is lying.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    He says that doctor-prescribed oral contraception combined with a condom is so effective...
     
    ...at turning her hormone production-- and that of fishes in the sea-- inside-out, and removing his contact altogether. Who's responsible for that Griswold decision anyway?

    "In 1879, Connecticut passed a law that banned the use of any drug, medical device, or other instrument in furthering contraception."-- https://www.oyez.org/cases/1964/496

    Maybe the Victorian prudes in Hartford were onto something.
  79. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "The federal government has a program to discourage teen births. It worked."

    The thing is, apparently it's also working to discourage births across the board as well. What exactly was the plan to discourage teen births? Just say no, Norplant, or something along the lines of sterilization. Would be interesting to see if abortion levels among teens are at an all time high as well.

    The campaign to portray teen pregnancy as a tragedy that will guarantee permanent poverty in lower class (look what is happening to blacks) has worked well. Birth control has become much more easily available and its use has become more effective. The third important cause is the campaign to educate about Sexually Transmitted Diseases, especially the HIV/AIDS. That has been really effective in reducing non-marital sex and hence teen pregnancy and also out of wedlock pregnancy. Most babies born today are really wanted babies and not “accidents”.

  80. DRA says:

    It seems to me that children of mixed heritage tend to get counted with their minority parents ethnicity. That was certainly the case in San Antonio, TX, where most of the city civil service workers had both anglo and hispanic parents, or at least grandparents. Didn’t seem to mater whether their sir name was anglo or hispanic.

    I wonder what percent of the total USA genetic ancestry is European, Native American or African, and how much it has changed over time.

  81. “The federal government has a program to discourage teen births. It worked.”

    Unfortunately, the federal government also has numerous programs to discourage births by twenty-somethings: H1Bs, student loans, etc. Those worked too.

  82. @Anonymous

    According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.
     
    All is proceeding according to plan. It is in the rest of the world’s interest to knock the most talented group out of the competition.

    Asians and Jews are being knocked out of competition?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Asians and Jews are being knocked out of competition?
     
    Nope. They are both trying to take down the top competitor. And Europeans are letting them do it. No other group has the mix of intelligence, creativity, conscientiousness, cooperativeness, and physical prowess that Europeans possess.
  83. @Anonymous (n)
    Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It's not like they're going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    It’s not like they’re going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is.

    If we had more choice in the matter; more agency; more control of our fate, it would be fine to have a country with fewer people: more to go around, more room for future growth, more ease in managing resources, etc.

    The headlong rush to fill every niche with a body from somewhere else is the problem.

  84. DRA says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_Abortion-pregnancy-rates-declined-among-teenagers-US.png

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.
     

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.
     

    I’ve been noticing that young ladies on a professional track are more often having eggs frozen to improve their chances of successfully having there own genetic children at a later age.

    If so, there may be selection for a tendency for long time preference.

    Working on our family tree and genealogical data, I have noticed a pronounced increase in family size when my ancestors were part of settlement on the advancing frontier. That is in line with Steve’s thoughts on affordable family formation, in that children were useful labor on the frontier rather than a net cost to the parents.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    Those ladies are stupid as eggs can’t be unthawed. Science isn’t there yet. The best you can do is freeze embryos and then you will lose all but one or two out of say eight.
  85. @Peter Akuleyev
    This has been obvious since early 2016. Trump is just a reality show being offered to let white voters "own the libs" while in reality the underlying direction of the country has not changed at all.

    This seemed also to be true of Reagan back in the day. There were lower taxes and a revival of the military, but the culture continued to go left, and we got amnesty, Sandra Day O’ Connor, and Tony Kennedy.

  86. @Massimo Heitor

    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I'd reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.

    I think you should keep fighting for immigration restriction. Support CIS and NumbersUSA.

    But I'd plan on losing. Yes, America and Europe, as we know them will be gone. We will build a future anyway.

    We will build a future anyway.

    Probably an important point: there will be White people; and White areas; under encroachment; one needs to work toward stemming and reversing the tide.

  87. This demographic slump is much worse in the developed far east. Japan, Korea, Singapore all have birthrates much lower than US whites. (Korea, TFR ~1, means 100 grandmothers have 25 granddaughters!). These societies have No immigration.

    Seems as societies get wealthier, this wealth allows many woman to pursue modes of life that don’t result in many children, many times none.

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    This demographic slump is much worse in the developed far east. Japan, Korea, Singapore all have birthrates much lower than US whites. (Korea, TFR ~1, means 100 grandmothers have 25 granddaughters!). These societies have No immigration.
     
    Yep. Which blows the whole "it's a conspiracy to destroy the white race" theory out of the water. And it blows the "it's all the fault of immigrants" theory out of the water as well.

    Seems as societies get wealthier, this wealth allows many woman to pursue modes of life that don’t result in many children, many times none.
     
    Agreed. But I suspect that both men and women are wanting fewer children. In a wealthy society people (especially women but men as well) see other options to give their lives meaning other than having children. They might be wrong about his, they might be making a big mistake, but that seems to be the way people think in any wealthy advanced nation (regardless of race).
  88. @Bigdicknick
    Men are the attractive gender of white people. Something that doesn't seem to be understood by the race realist sphere.

    Men are the attractive gender of white people.

    Well, maybe to you they are. Personally I am attracted only to women.

    Seriously, the absolutely most beautiful humans on earth are (a small percentage of ) white women. Of course most white women (especially nowadays, when obesity is rampant) fall far short of that standard. But even on average, the average white woman is far more attractive than the average black woman (and most black women have heavily altered their natural appearance, especially wrt their hair). As for white women vs. Asian, I would say that whites are still more attractive EQUALIZING FOR WEIGHT. But the problem in real life is that there is no equality of weight – the average white woman is much fatter than the average Asian woman.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    They are the ultimate prize for the dregs of humanity, marred by millennia of indiscriminate breeding, and arranged marriage for political familial alliance and dowry rather than beauty and physical vigor.
    , @Corvinus
    Nothing wrong with standards, but in the end, it’s really a matter of personal preference for each person. The men I know in my life—brothers in law, best friends, acquaintances—generally were not discriminatory when it came to dating and marrying within or outside their race. The only emphasis we placed was for the chick not to be bitchy. Sans a couple of dudes who fell victim to false advertising, that criteria was met.
  89. @George
    Maybe a marketing expert should study groups like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, government workers, and others to see what they are doing right.

    Like the minority groups that live their lives on the public teat, there are many Mormons and Orthodox Jews abusing the welfare “system”.

    • Replies: @anon
    Yes, but they are making white babies!; They are America's Handmaids.

    https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/04/151796/handmaids-tale-meaning-rachel-bilhah-bible-story
    , @George
    "live their lives on the public teat"

    Maybe you cannot have young family formation without welfare.
    , @cynthia curran
    This article fails to knowledge that heavy Latino California has a birth rate 1.60 and over 50 percent of births in low birth rate Ca are to Latinos not whites. In fact, about 75 percent of the US has higher birth rates than Ca and only 10 percent of most midwest states and southern states are to Latinos. Also, Texas birth rates are not much higher than Ca and most the births are to Latinos again. The highest birth rates are in white states like North Dakota and even Minnesota has higher birth rates than Ca. In fact, the high immigrant states are dropping faster than white states. Sailer is not totally honest here.
  90. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    Probably the opposite. No one will want to get pregnant and potentially expose themselves to COVID (and poor medical care because of the crisis, which is becoming more and more of an issue) at a hospital until this is resolved.

  91. @Reg Cæsar

    The federal government has a program to discourage teen births.
     
    Nothing wrong with teen births to teen wives. That's what kept the population from collapsing in the past.

    Not true. Teen marriage has always been rare in Western European derived societies (with a few exceptions like Jamestown and early Quebec where women were in short supply). It’s more like marriage of a husband and wife in their early 20s who could support their family on 1 income, is what kept birth rates from collapsing.

    That and the lack of birth control…and need for the labor of children.

    • Agree: Rosie
  92. I wonder if Mr. Sailer is serious when he speaks of “good times” in recent years. Can he really believe that when each succeeding generation is half as wealthy as the preceding one, when real assets whether houses or equities are too expensive for young people to buy, when life spans of working class men were declining,and when growth is a mere 2% even though every imaginable sort of stimulus is in place, we were having good times?

    Any reader of Unz Review has before him adequate information to know the “good times” were a fraud, only sellable because of asset inflation due to credit and money creation, which redistributed wealth to the rich (after all, new money and credit cannot create wealth, it can only redistribute wealth to those who get the money first).

    So, what is it that has distorted the perceptions of apparently reasonable people causing them to repeat the mantra of “good times” under Trump, which were in some ineffable fashion different from Obama’s New Normal?

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    I wonder if Mr. Sailer is serious when he speaks of “good times” in recent years. Can he really believe that when each succeeding generation is half as wealthy as the preceding one
     
  93. @Thoughts
    No matter what anyone says interracial marriage will come to a screeching halt. The weaker members of the white herd have been culled and the remaining white families are quite strong and far too genetically distant from non-whites...not even a hapa will get in. I’m seeing the first signs of this now with some divorces. People like being with their own especially in unsure times.

    Then things will get interesting because minorities and our wonderful overlords will switch to a different strategy.

    I think marriage itself will come to a screeching halt. I see so much divorce around me that I often wonder why people even bother with making their phony promises anymore. Do they just want a fancy party and great pictures? Maybe a family reunion and a chance to be the stars of the show?

    Anyway, outside of the devotedly religious, I see no marriages making it to the death of one spouse. Interracial marriages may not be helping, but in the long run, for most people, it probably doesn’t matter. They’ll all split up eventually.

    Please, please, prove me wrong.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    I have no divorces amongst my high school cohort except for the interracial relationships.
    , @anon
    I often wonder why people even bother with making their phony promises anymore. Do they just want a fancy party and great pictures? Maybe a family reunion and a chance to be the stars of the show?

    Not "they". Bridezilla. It's "HER DAY".

    Anyway, outside of the devotedly religious, I see no marriages making it to the death of one spouse.

    Upper middle class and upper class are still marrying and not divorcing. Middle class is so-so. Working people have a hard time.
  94. @Other Side
    I think it's exact opposite - with " social distancing " hysteria it will be kinda hard from now on to even get a partner to make babies,and since white woman are among the most fanatical about lockdowns and " keeping the distance " what we gonna see is huge sharp drop in number of new births in coming years .

    I think elites decided they cannot wait for 20-30 years for America to start looking like Brazil so they decided to hurry up the process .

    Yes, my impression is that things are going to become even harder now for white fertility.
    What “baby boom”? A baby boom would happen if there was an economic boom, but here we have a semi-fake plague that doesn’t really reduce population (maybe the vaccine will do that), an economic crisis, and “social distancing” which makes even more harder for white people to meet.
    Even for those married who “stayed at home” during the pandemic, I doubt that they were making more babies than usual. If anything, it seems to have increased the number of divorces.
    This will just will continue the dysgenic trends.

  95. @Massimo Heitor

    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I'd reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.

    I think you should keep fighting for immigration restriction. Support CIS and NumbersUSA.

    But I'd plan on losing. Yes, America and Europe, as we know them will be gone. We will build a future anyway.

    This isn’t really true. European hispanics still politically/socially dominate mixed-race Latin America. And (secular) Jews have had low birth rates longer than just about any other group, yet they still dominate media/academia.

  96. fish says:
    @RichardTaylor
    We've created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites. Not only the economic decline, but also the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.

    Then there's the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.

    The affirmative action, mass 3rd world immigration, "fair housing" laws against Whites, special set-asides for non-Whites, the constant demonization ... I wonder what you'd call this program if it were directed against any other people?

    The RT buses in Sacramento have on bus advertising that show three teens, one black, one latin, one white all ostensibly pregnant!

    White girl dour expression….she knows that getting her masters degree and sitting in an office with the Penske folder might now be in serious jeopardy. Latin girl….bemused expression…..dad will probably whip her ass and the donor too if he can catch him…eventually things will sort out though! Black girl big toothy grin…..getting her own EBT card now…..don’t have to bum off mom or grandmas any longer and won’t have to share the second bedroom with mom no mo …and more importantly won’t have to keep mom away from her boyfriend any more either as soon as the Section 8 apartment comes through!

    Art does imitate life……

    • LOL: Bill Jones
  97. @JohnnyWalker123
    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_Abortion-pregnancy-rates-declined-among-teenagers-US.png

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.
     

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.
     

    You know, it might be that kids today may actually be more functional and rational than we like to give credit for. I was in the “preppy” crowd when I was in HS. We aspired to the good life of career, money, and travel. Knocking a girl up was viewed as a horrible disaster that would forever prevent the pursuit of what we wanted in life. The only things that were considered worse than knocking a girl up was permanent injury and death. Perhaps kids today think the same way we did at the time.

  98. @Other Side
    I think it's exact opposite - with " social distancing " hysteria it will be kinda hard from now on to even get a partner to make babies,and since white woman are among the most fanatical about lockdowns and " keeping the distance " what we gonna see is huge sharp drop in number of new births in coming years .

    I think elites decided they cannot wait for 20-30 years for America to start looking like Brazil so they decided to hurry up the process .

    Actually, the Trump Administration through its horrible messaging and confusion have decided that Italy should not be our role model but that Brazil is the best role model for handing Covid-19.

  99. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    Yes birthrates will increase. No, its not surprising birthrates went down during economic good times. Women don’t want kids when their careers are doing well, at least until their late 30s.

    Bad times will increase pregnancies. Fooling around is free. Birth control costs money.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    Women don’t want kids when their careers are doing well, at least until their late 30s.
     
    There you go assuming White women are making all the fertility decisions.
  100. @Anonymous
    Meanwhile, in Missouri...

    https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/1264623852845441031

    Great, that is what Red-blooded America looks like – Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Congratulations Show-me Staters for showing how to overcome fear.

  101. @Brutusale
    Like the minority groups that live their lives on the public teat, there are many Mormons and Orthodox Jews abusing the welfare "system".

    Yes, but they are making white babies!; They are America’s Handmaids.

    https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2017/04/151796/handmaids-tale-meaning-rachel-bilhah-bible-story

  102. @Anonymous (n)
    Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It's not like they're going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    “Oh no my fair cousin…”

  103. @RichardTaylor
    We've created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites. Not only the economic decline, but also the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.

    Then there's the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.

    The affirmative action, mass 3rd world immigration, "fair housing" laws against Whites, special set-asides for non-Whites, the constant demonization ... I wonder what you'd call this program if it were directed against any other people?

    It would be called genocide.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  104. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Known Fact
    Maybe so, but Asian-American women and men who just showed up pretty much uninvited from India have kept the resentment pot bubbling on the NYT op-ed page

    Yes, good point, it doesn’t seem too hard to find Indians who seem to genuinely resent/hate whites. Maybe Near Easterners/Arab Worlders as well?

  105. @Anonymous (n)
    Why is this bad news though? Whites in the US are a demographic dead man walking, a hated majority that will become a hated minority by the 2040s. It's not like they're going to breed themselves out of it by having a TFR of 1.89 instead of 1.65 or whatever the actual number is. At this point, the lower the white TFR the better for whites, just means there will be fewer of them around to suffer the unenviable fate the future has in store for them when they lose political power by mid century.

    Whites lost political power in 1963, if not earlier.

    • Replies: @Anonymous (n)
    To an extent, you're right, but it's a matter of degree. At this stage, the ruling elite can only impose punitive measures on whites to the extent that it can brainwash whites into accepting them. Now, whites are pretty pliant, so they can be controlled by subversion alone to a large degree, but not to an absolute degree. Our current ruling class does not yet have the power its cousins enjoyed in Bolshevik Russia, for example, the power to kill, torture, rape and enslave at whim.

    Of course I'm only speculating here, but my impression is that the whole point of the demographic replacement is to take the away the need to have the whites cooperate in their own subjugation so that more severe forms of oppression can be instituted. Otherwise, if you're the elite, why even risk losing the large degree of power you currently enjoy over a majority white herd by bringing in members of an entirely new herd, who are not only less useful but perhaps will prove to be more challenging to control? You wouldn't risk upsetting the highly advantageous paradigm you find yourself in unless you expected to exercise some additional benefit in changing this paradigm even further. At this point the elites have such a large degree of control that the only things they cannot yet do are things whites would find very unpleasant, but they are moving to a stage where whites will not have any say in the matter.

  106. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood
    Pew research data including Hispanics:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-00.png


    Majority of interracial in America is white male + Asian/Hispanic/Hapa female. Because these women look better than white women + white man is what women want.

    Where in the country are you? Can’t be here.

  107. @Mike Tre
    Well if it doesn't, we'll always have next year's lock down to try again.

    “Well if it doesn’t, we’ll always have next year’s lock down to try again.”

    Next year? Oh no, my friendo – the CDC, media, and Democratic Party have promised a second wave of hysteria later THIS year, ‘darkest winter’ and etc.

  108. @Felix Keverich

    According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.
     
    Consider the fact that not all of these kids were fathered by white men, and it looks even worse!

    My recollection is that around 2010, 11% of the children born to white women had non-white fathers. That number has certainly grown. So the real white birthrate is over 10% lower than the births to white women number.

    • Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    How is that certain (beyond using the "everything always gets worse" heuristic)?
  109. @Redneck farmer
    Nobody is going to point out that the "cool wine aunt" drinks so much is because she can't have children.

    “the ‘cool wine aunt’ drinks so much is because she can’t have children”

    Maybe it’s because Auntie Chardonnay can’t have more than one dog in her apartment. Women, especially white women, have gone creepy for canines. The crazy cat-lady has been supplanted by the “dog-mom”.

  110. @Dave Pinsen
    Kevin Michael Grace reviewed a book about Africa a while back that claimed the AIDS epidemic there wasn’t real or at least there was no hard data behind it: that people die young from all sorts of stuff in Africa, but claiming the deaths are due to AIDS is a way to get more aid from NGOs, something to that effect.

    That’s been known forever. AIDS diagnoses are generally done without an HIV test, and in the rare cases when tests are done local conditions produce a ton of false positives.

  111. @Gurney Halleck
    Do non-whites have a collective identity that is hostile to whites or something?

    Yeah, something like that.

  112. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Absolutely right.

    White Deep Staters and Liberals think that even in a predominately non-White America, they'll remain on top. No they won't. They'll be pushed out. We already see that at a municipal level where Republican mayors were replaced with White Democrats and then non-White Democrats.

    Non-Whites will fight among themselves for their share of the loot. For the most part, the only people who believe that "we're all Americans, we all bleed red" are White Gentiles. Almost everyone else is highly tribal and think that they are morally obligated to advance their tribe's interests.

    I have read that if a Bantu in Africa or any other third-world person wants to start a retail business and have any chance to succeed, he must move to another country where he has no relatives or close friends. In his home town or country, his tribal members expect him to provide freebies to all of them. In the same way, a Bantu or Pajeet or other third world person who manages to get a government position is expected to use that position to reward his relatives. Works the same way here, when third-world people move here.

    Stores in ghetto areas fail because tribal culture demands that Bantu enployees ignore shoplifting by other members of their tribe. Various excuses are trotted out for comsumption by the credulous, but the real reason is fealty to tribal culture. Bantu mayors are expected to provide goodies to relatives and friends, and because their vision is colored by immersion in tribal culture, Bantus cannot understand why the melanin deprived object to the practice, and blame bigotry for the whinging about corruption.

    Considering their cultures, the expectations of third-world peoples transplanted into the DSSA are reasonable. However, the cultures of third-world peoples and the western culture that emphasizes private property and meritocracy cannot exist side by side in the same political entity. One side of the cultural conflict must surrender, or the conflict of cultures will lead to bloody civil war. Better people and smarter people than me have already told everybody that we have never had a civil war, but the fact is worth repeating. The death toll from the 1861-1865 war of conquest will be dwarfed by the death toll from the coming civil war.

    Yeah, I really don’t know what the words credulous and fealty mean, but those words sure dress up a sentence.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    I'm aware that Indians are a corrupt people, but didn't know that Indian shopkeepers were expected to provide freebies to family and friends. I know that Black shopkeepers are expected to share their wealth with family and friends and the Black "big man" provides gifts to family and friends from what he has stolen or taken in bribes. Much of Black dysfunction such as pervasive criminality and family instability is simply a reversion back to African patterns of behavior. Blacks are not White people with a suntan.

    It all comes down to biology. I don't know about how Indians are by nature, but Blacks, East Asians and various Moslem groups are very different than Westerners. There are differences between the Russians and the English. Innate intellectual and temperamental differences are universally recognized in dogs and even cats, but we're supposed to believe that there are no innate differences between different tribes of humans.

    At one time, immigrants were expected to assimilate to American culture, but nowadays that considered racist. So, immigrants bring with them the dysfunction that caused them to leave their dysfunctional homelands to begin with. In the long run, they're defeating the purpose of moving to the US or other Western country - a better life.

    Biology -> Culture -> Institutions -> Politics.
  113. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

    If Dante’s Inferno were rewritten today, it would need to add an additional 10th circle for Boomers, which would be below Satan himself.

    The elderly Boomers would be tossed around, like Wrestling Buddies, for eternity by minority retirement home staff.

    Satan would look down at the Boomers, and think, “Well, I wasn’t that bad.”

    Boomers would look up at Satan, and wonder what frozen lakefront property goes for.

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    I hate to say it but

    The boomers that are bad are so bad that they overpower the good boomers giving the whole generation a bad name

    But remember, even they were a product of media brainwashing
  114. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    White women of reproductive age are less than 2 percent of the world's population, so, if they are not reproducing at replacement levels, it won't be long before whites go the way of the Neanderthal.

    Naaaaa.

    Wealthy nations are moving to stable sustainable populations, not the entropy of mass immigration.

    Immigration will be slowed and eliminated. Unassailable groups segregated, imprisoned removed or eliminated.

  115. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Men are the attractive gender of white people.
     
    Well, maybe to you they are. Personally I am attracted only to women.

    Seriously, the absolutely most beautiful humans on earth are (a small percentage of ) white women. Of course most white women (especially nowadays, when obesity is rampant) fall far short of that standard. But even on average, the average white woman is far more attractive than the average black woman (and most black women have heavily altered their natural appearance, especially wrt their hair). As for white women vs. Asian, I would say that whites are still more attractive EQUALIZING FOR WEIGHT. But the problem in real life is that there is no equality of weight - the average white woman is much fatter than the average Asian woman.

    They are the ultimate prize for the dregs of humanity, marred by millennia of indiscriminate breeding, and arranged marriage for political familial alliance and dowry rather than beauty and physical vigor.

  116. @Bigdicknick
    Men are the attractive gender of white people. Something that doesn't seem to be understood by the race realist sphere.

    “Men are the attractive gender of white people.”

    Gonna have to disagree with you, Bigdick. Sure, there are loads of good-looking white men like me and Roger Moore, but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty. White women can be quite exquisite in so many ways. Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.

    • Replies: @bigdicknick
    dont take my word for it, look at data from sites like okcupid.
    , @Corvinus
    "but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty."

    NOTICE how you were purposeful in perpetuating this hierarchy, as if it matters today. Beauty standards have changed throughout human history, and it is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you were channelling your inner Madison Grant.

    He was a biologist and curator for the American Museum of Natural History in New York. In his treatise The Passing of the Great Race that White Americans, Nordics were in a dire state in the modern world, where, because of their abandonment of cultural values, they were close to committing "race suicide" by miscegenation (with the other races of Europe and beyond) and by being outbred by inferior stock (the other races of Europe and beyond) taking advantage of the situation.

    How eloquent his words--“The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums…Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them".

    Grant recommends segregating "unfavorable" races in ghettos, by installing civil organizations through the public health system to establish quasi-dictatorships in their particular fields.[10] He states the expansion of non-Nordic race types in the Nordic system of freedom would actually mean a slavery to desires, passions, and base behaviors.

    So much for white unity and a common application for European beauty!

    , @Rosie

    Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.
     
    I do hope men are not avoiding women who doted on their furbabies. These are exactly the sort of women you should be pursuing.
    , @JohnPlywood
    You can't find a single study to support the claim that white women look better than East Asian or mixed-Asian women, but I have plenty to say that look worse. White women are gargoylic.
  117. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Absolutely right.

    White Deep Staters and Liberals think that even in a predominately non-White America, they'll remain on top. No they won't. They'll be pushed out. We already see that at a municipal level where Republican mayors were replaced with White Democrats and then non-White Democrats.

    Non-Whites will fight among themselves for their share of the loot. For the most part, the only people who believe that "we're all Americans, we all bleed red" are White Gentiles. Almost everyone else is highly tribal and think that they are morally obligated to advance their tribe's interests.

    But that is not what is happening in Mexico (and also many other Western Hemisphere countries). My guess is Hispanics don’t have a problem with White leadership as long as it skews Democrat. Same with Blacks and others too. The tide is Democratic, not non-White. Even when Whites are well below 50%, they are likely to be the preferred mediating group for leadership.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Historically in Latin America, Whites typically politically, culturally and economically dominated their countries, even when they were a demographic minority. Look at Mexico.

    I'm not optimistic about Whites retaining dominance in the US. There is a difference between a Black or Hispanic man or woman on the street, who may not care who is in charge as long as they are Democrats, versus other politicians and activists, who definitely do care.

    Only time will tell.
  118. @Jipyer benefits
    Most white "men" are lazy overweight weak and cowardly

    Most Men of Color are energetic physically fit strong and courageuos

    Men of Color or should I say Men of Valor serve more in the military are fighters and make better husbands

    Men of Color or should I say Men of Valor serve more in the military are fighters and make better husbands

    Hi Tinys……doing your “bendy” exercises fo you huzbend??

  119. @Jipyer benefits
    All women and especially white girls are increasingly craving Men of Color

    The truth is that white "men" are undesirable

    Old slow no rhythm in or out of bed clumsy awkward obsessed with video games

    Hi Tinys…..does Lrnderp put his lil Lenderp in yo Jipyer?

  120. @The Alarmist

    But that was down only imperceptibly from 886,210 in 2018. The bigger driver of the national decline was the decline in the number of births to white women.
     
    It would be interesting to know how many of those were attributable to white fathers.

    You can check “race of father” at wonder.cdc.gov for 2016-2018. It’s very eye-opening.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
    According to that table, 12.5% of the fathers of non-Hispanic white women's children born in those years were something other than non-Hispanic white. That's a lot. Over 3% of the fathers were black.
  121. @Justvisiting
    The problem is not that whites are not having children, it is that is the dumbest whites (particularly those bad at math, long term planning, and common sense) who are having most of the white children.

    This isn’t true. Using college education as a proxy, a majority of white babies are born to degreed women (bachelor’s or more).

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    Using college education as a proxy, a majority of white babies are born to degreed women (bachelor’s or more).
     
    I won't dispute that a majority of white babies are born to degreed mothers - the quant stacks up, as follows.

    There are 50 million white women of reproductive age in the US; 37% of them have bachelors or better; they reproduce at ~58/1000... that gets you to over a million births from that cohort, which is a clear majority of births to white mothers.

    However I disagree that 'degreed' is a proxy for anything.

    It's certainly not a proxy for the opposite of "bad at math, long term planning, and common sense".

    Approximately 37% of breeding-age US women have finished 4 or more years of college; the disciplines in which they dominate are for the most part things which are properly regarded as hobbies.

    Furthermore: while women earn 57% of US bachelor's degrees, they hold ⅔ of all college debt.

    Anyone who is not in the top decile in their discipline is wasting their time, and only an absolute mug would borrow in order to finish outside the top decile (most of the very top kiddies - the ones who capture all the excess gains to elite education - are on scholarships).

    If you were of a gentler (and less-realistic) bent you might extend that "education repays its investment" idea to the top 20% for key STEM fields (and for things that are an entrée to government work - e.g., school-teaching).

    Let's be full-on retarded and assert - pace evidence to the contrary - that the everyone in the top 50% of the graduating class, gets a lifetime net benefit from their degree.

    So... the bottom half (at the very least) of US adult women with 'bachelor or better' educational attainment are the absolute epitome of


    bad at math, long term planning, and common sense
     
    Also... in the US 'degreed' is a moving feast that overlaps 'failed to finish high school' elsewhere in the West.

    It is only relatively recently that the rest of the West adopted stupid 'pretend' American educational credentialism (where 42% of university grades are 'A' or better) and started sending ridiculous numbers of idiot teens to 'college'.

  122. @PennTothal
    I wonder how accurate abortion stats are post-2000, when the FDA approved the abortion pill.

    Prior to 2000, all abortions required a procedure that could only be done in an abortion clinic or OB/GYN office. This likely increased the accuracy of surveillance / stats on abortion.

    After 2000, most abortions (almost ALL of them in well-educated women in early pregnancy) occur in the privacy of the home, a couple days after taking a few pills that can be prescribed by a GP or family physician. This more private method may be less amenable to surveillance, and statistical tracking.

    Actually, the Morning-After pill (Plan B) is over the counter.

  123. @JohnPlywood

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.
     
    Lol, no. This is all in your sordid head.

    Interracial marriage is up for most groups, and higher for white men than white women.


    https://sk.sagepub.com/images/interracial-communication/9781412954587-p159-1.jpg

    That 2000 stat for other race women is strange. Typo?

    Yes. It is 18.2 in the original source. Page 12 of
    https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chazelle/politics/bib/newmarriages05.pdf

  124. @Reg Cæsar

    The federal government has a program to discourage teen births.
     
    Nothing wrong with teen births to teen wives. That's what kept the population from collapsing in the past.

    There’s no reason for young people today to go straight from high school to parenthood. People often feel resentful when that happens, that they didn’t have enough time to themselves before their kids came along.

    In today’s world people in their late teens and early twenties (at least) should be focused on job training or college and getting themselves established in their fields. They will need that foundation to survive economically as adults and parents.

    • Replies: @fafqw
    I know an anesthesiologist who had her kids in her late teens and early twenties. It definitely helped her advance her career when she started as as a doctor when her kids were 8-10 and largely autonomous.
    If person has a kid when their pretty young I don't think it's the end of their potential income.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    In today’s world people in their late teens and early twenties (at least) should be focused on job training or college and getting themselves established in their fields. They will need that foundation to survive economically as adults and parents.
     
    Having your first child at 45 is more expensive than you think. At least for women.
  125. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    I get the feeling that there is a big bump in the white child graph above age 40: That’s when all the New York elites and lesbian couples “have” their kids.

    I get the feeling that there is a big bump in the white child graph above age 40: That’s when all the New York elites and lesbian couples “have” their kids.

    What is significant about the word “have”?

    • Replies: @J S Raggmann
    They pay a surrogate mother or mothers in some impoverished foreign country. The eggs are fertilized in a petri dish with sperm from some male considered suitable; the fertilized egg is frozen; flown to the foreign country; finally implanted in a willing woman with a proven womb. After birth, the egg donor flys over to retrieve the healthy baby. It is a way for desperately poor people in countries like The Ukraine to get a little money to feed their families. Don't really like to speculate about the fate of the baby if he or she is considered to be other than perfect.
  126. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @George
    Maybe a marketing expert should study groups like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, government workers, and others to see what they are doing right.

    Maybe a marketing expert should study groups like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, government workers, and others to see what they are doing right.

    Jews, and not just Orthodox Jews, are conscious of and speak openly among themselves about “planning for the Jewish People” and Jewish continuity.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    Jews, and not just Orthodox Jews, are conscious of and speak openly among themselves about “planning for the Jewish People” and Jewish continuity.

    True, but the non-Orthodox are just talk and no action. Their fertility rate is 1.6 well below replacement level, more like death spiral level. The Orthodox fertility rate is around 4.
  127. @martin_2
    The wisest thing that chateau heartiste ever said (and this is a pretty high bar) was:

    "If you want to know whether a man is happy in his relationship, then just ask yourself "Would you f**k her?" If the answer is yes, then be assured that he is happy."

    The simple fact is that white women are by no means the most appealing option for white men these days. They face stiff competition from Asian woman, and in America I suppose "Hispanic" women. I went to the supermarket the other night and there was some poor white sucker with his white girlfriend. She was extremely obese, so that her thighs sagged in a grotesque way. English of course, Eastern European birds have far more self respect. He looked ashamed to be with her. He wasn't much to look at either, tbh, with noodle arms, but still.

    Chateau Heartiste was a degenerative lout who sired no white offspring. Of course it doesn’t help when you idolize to an elitist such as himself who virtue signaled how white men and women ought to look and act.

    Interracial marriage will continue to sojourn on. Normies make their own decisions about race and marriage. So in the grand scheme of things, the white race will remain a potent force.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    "Chateau Heartiste was a degenerative lout who sired no white offspring."

    Did he die? If not, there is still time for him to make little ch's.
  128. @Jack D

    Men are the attractive gender of white people.
     
    Well, maybe to you they are. Personally I am attracted only to women.

    Seriously, the absolutely most beautiful humans on earth are (a small percentage of ) white women. Of course most white women (especially nowadays, when obesity is rampant) fall far short of that standard. But even on average, the average white woman is far more attractive than the average black woman (and most black women have heavily altered their natural appearance, especially wrt their hair). As for white women vs. Asian, I would say that whites are still more attractive EQUALIZING FOR WEIGHT. But the problem in real life is that there is no equality of weight - the average white woman is much fatter than the average Asian woman.

    Nothing wrong with standards, but in the end, it’s really a matter of personal preference for each person. The men I know in my life—brothers in law, best friends, acquaintances—generally were not discriminatory when it came to dating and marrying within or outside their race. The only emphasis we placed was for the chick not to be bitchy. Sans a couple of dudes who fell victim to false advertising, that criteria was met.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    The only emphasis we placed was for the chick not to be bitchy.
     
    So it was secondary rather than primary discrimination. Keiko is easier to deal with than Karen, who in turn is more stable than Kiara. But Karen has more leverage, due to a surplus of Kiaras.
  129. @Anonymous
    White women of reproductive age are less than 2 percent of the world's population, so, if they are not reproducing at replacement levels, it won't be long before whites go the way of the Neanderthal.

    Millions of 3/4 white 7/8 white “Latinos/Hispanics” have children every year just as they did in all other areas of the European white fringe (Southern Spain, North Africa, Southern Italy, parts of Russia, Northern Turkic areas, most of Latin America).

    All this spells the end of is the Anglo-Saxon (and possibly Celtic and Germanic) gene majority of Whites in the US and around the world. Is that good? Probably not, but the truth is, there are hundreds of thousands of people with Hispanic/Latino surnames, eligible for affirmative action, considered a protected status, who are having white children…whether both parents are, or one parent is Anglo, Celtic or Germanic, with the other parent being Hispanic.

    It isn’t even necessarily a given by anyone that someone with the last name JONES isn’t Hispanic whereas even 10 years ago, certainly 20 or 30 you would question that…not the case now, any more than it is with famous, or well-known Hispanics (Alexis Bledel, Louis C.K., etc). Not that it is the norm, but given privacy laws (and legitimate Spanish ancestry someone has), employers really cannot question it–and are unlikely to do so anyhow, as the standards of who is hispanic are arbitrary, different in different contexts and very broad in terms of common culture and the law.

  130. @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I'm 50/50 on whether the Wuhan virus and nearly 40 million unemployed will stop the 'immigration now, immigration forever' proponents from using this information to successfully lobby for even more immigration. Because it seems everyone now loves doom porn, which is exactly this, and it unfortunately helps the opposition.

    The United States had below replacement TFR from 1973 to 1988, then had a relatively stable 20 year run before we began to decline again in 2010. I do not see any reason to think birth rates will not rise again. What is critical is not getting swamped in the near term, to where successfully raising birth rates by 20 or 25 percent doesn't matter anymore. Ever expanding populations are a desire of economists, governments, and business, but certainly not an unalloyed good. In the short term the population is still expanding anyway, as there were roughly 1 million more births than deaths in the United States in 2019. The non-Hispanic white population is declining slightly in total numbers, yes. But that can probably be stabilized relative to other groups in the United States if we reduce most outside input.

    The United States had below replacement TFR from 1973 to 1988, then had a relatively stable 20 year run before we began to decline again in 2010. I do not see any reason to think birth rates will not rise again.

    You obviously are not thinking 4th dimensionally, Marty.

    Take a look at the population pyramid and try to understand wht it means for dependency ratios and reproductive age cohorts. Do you realize that the number of reproductive age women in the entire developed world declined in absolute terms in 2019 and will be declining from here on out, and that those women are haveing fewer than 2 children? There is a protracted demographic winter already baked into the cake that nobody can do anything about—those missing people have already been not born.

    It would take a sustained campaign of far above replacement fertility to stabilize the population at this point. It isn’t going to happen.

    • Agree: Farenheit
    • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
    I'm not concerned about the entire developed world. I'm concerned about America. Do keep up now.
  131. @JohnPlywood
    White women aren't bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren't even interested in white women in the first place. White women are having fewer kids because the number of reproductive age white women has shrunk dramatically (average white is older than average minority).

    White men are producing a comparative ton of children with Asian and Hispanic women (fastest growing group in America is multiracial).

    White women aren’t bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren’t even interested in white women in the first place.

    You’re an idiot.

  132. If whites go extinct, blacks are soon to follow, because no white people means no welfare offices and no EBT cards. No one but whites even pretends to care if blacks live or die.

    As the white population declines, however, the remnant will become more tribal and harder to break. Some whites will retreat to rural communities, assimilating into the fast-growing Amish population, while others remain in the cities and emulate the fair-skinned elites of Latin America and most of the Islamic world, who lord over teeming masses of hungry brown people.

    Technology will continue to stagnante because real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people. (The Chinese stopped innovating 1,000 years ago as they were selected by imperial exams that emphasized memorization over cognition).

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Some whites will retreat to rural communities, assimilating into the fast-growing Amish population
     
    Not bloody likely for myriad reasons. How is your Pennsylvania Dutch?
    , @Jack D

    real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people.
     
    A billion white people? Really? There have never been a billion white people. Were there a billion white people when Galileo and Newton were doing their thing?

    If the Chinese can't innovate then why can I take a brand new train that goes 200 mph from Shanghai to Beijing but Amtrak trains go slower than they did 100 years ago?
    , @Anon
    The Chinese stopped innovating because their Emperors were paranoid about anything that might disturb the social order, so the Emperors executed anybody who invented anything. It didn't matter if it was a new machine or an idea. Anything could be subversive. 1000 years of killing off the innovators wiped out the creative genes in the Chinese very effectively.

    Of course, when you look at Covid-19, you can see they had a point.
  133. anon[362] • Disclaimer says:

    Every day people on this blog lament and gnash your teeth at your impending defeat. You say “If only!” and “We’re doomed !” and “Separate!”.
    Our founding father’s went to war to get what they wanted. They were not afraid of war. George Washington started two wars (French and Indan, and Revolution). They were strong and aggressive men.
    Polk invaded Mexico to get what he wanted, and I’m glad he did. Without that conquest there would be no Houston space center, no Beach Boys, no gunfight at the OK corral.
    You are going to lose, have already lost, the political fight and you know it. You have lost the money fight and you know it.
    You are not going to keep your country without a civil war, a Reconquista. At our founding we had firebrands like Patrick Henry arguing for war. Why doesn’t anyone on this blog argue FOR war?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Go to my comment history, search for:

    donnybrook
    boogaloo
    “civil war”
    “macrophage rapid convergence”
    “are you ready for some football”
     
    , @dfordoom

    Why doesn’t anyone on this blog argue FOR war?
     
    I'm assuming you're either insane or a Fed.
  134. @Corvinus
    Chateau Heartiste was a degenerative lout who sired no white offspring. Of course it doesn’t help when you idolize to an elitist such as himself who virtue signaled how white men and women ought to look and act.

    Interracial marriage will continue to sojourn on. Normies make their own decisions about race and marriage. So in the grand scheme of things, the white race will remain a potent force.

    “Chateau Heartiste was a degenerative lout who sired no white offspring.”

    Did he die? If not, there is still time for him to make little ch’s.

  135. I think there’s a lot of people who don’t have the first, second or third child they really want because they feel they can’t afford to. This is something we can do something about. We can provide higher subsidies to parents and we can help pay more of the costs for childcare. We could limit this help to people at a certain percentage above the poverty line so we don’t encourage poor parents to have more kids they
    still can’t afford even with more financial assistance.

    We could do this in a completely nonpolitical and nonpartisan way. The high cost of raising children affects most families in this country.

    Once this effort got going and showed results, though, that would certainly be the time to start cutting back on immigration. Taking care of more of our own kids plus taking care of lots of immigrants’ kids would be crazy.

    What we would have to accept is that any program that led to more white American children being born would lead to more minority American children being born, too. I think we have to accept this and should focus on the more American children vs. far fewer immigrant children equation.

  136. @JohnPlywood
    White women aren't bearing fewer children because of white men, and white men aren't even interested in white women in the first place. White women are having fewer kids because the number of reproductive age white women has shrunk dramatically (average white is older than average minority).

    White men are producing a comparative ton of children with Asian and Hispanic women (fastest growing group in America is multiracial).

    I’m old enough to remember when “Castiza nationalism” was just a meme on RW body builder twitter but here we are with it becoming a reality.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Jack’s back! HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    https://twitter.com/Lobotomoctopus/status/1260983498552336384
  137. @Brutusale
    Like the minority groups that live their lives on the public teat, there are many Mormons and Orthodox Jews abusing the welfare "system".

    “live their lives on the public teat”

    Maybe you cannot have young family formation without welfare.

  138. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    If there will be, it will be among bored couples who didn’t have kids yet.

    Believe me, WFH with kids was no picknick.

  139. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    ….. more minority American children being born, too. I think we have to accept this and should focus on the more American children vs. far fewer immigrant children equation.

    Why is this good? At least we can pick who the immigrants are with good policy (education, earning power, health, lawfulness …). What does one get by dysgenic policy?

    Similar question for the extreme anti-abortion policy proponents; what is the benefit of promoting unwanted births when there is data that this is likely dysgenic.

  140. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    "The federal government has a program to discourage teen births. It worked."

    The thing is, apparently it's also working to discourage births across the board as well. What exactly was the plan to discourage teen births? Just say no, Norplant, or something along the lines of sterilization. Would be interesting to see if abortion levels among teens are at an all time high as well.

    I believe that much of the 1990s reduction in teen girls getting pregnant was the result of the reduction of teen boys who were free or alive enough to impregnate them.

  141. @notsaying
    There's no reason for young people today to go straight from high school to parenthood. People often feel resentful when that happens, that they didn't have enough time to themselves before their kids came along.

    In today's world people in their late teens and early twenties (at least) should be focused on job training or college and getting themselves established in their fields. They will need that foundation to survive economically as adults and parents.

    I know an anesthesiologist who had her kids in her late teens and early twenties. It definitely helped her advance her career when she started as as a doctor when her kids were 8-10 and largely autonomous.
    If person has a kid when their pretty young I don’t think it’s the end of their potential income.

  142. @The Practical Conservative
    You can check "race of father" at wonder.cdc.gov for 2016-2018. It's very eye-opening.

    According to that table, 12.5% of the fathers of non-Hispanic white women’s children born in those years were something other than non-Hispanic white. That’s a lot. Over 3% of the fathers were black.

  143. @Corvinus
    Nothing wrong with standards, but in the end, it’s really a matter of personal preference for each person. The men I know in my life—brothers in law, best friends, acquaintances—generally were not discriminatory when it came to dating and marrying within or outside their race. The only emphasis we placed was for the chick not to be bitchy. Sans a couple of dudes who fell victim to false advertising, that criteria was met.

    The only emphasis we placed was for the chick not to be bitchy.

    So it was secondary rather than primary discrimination. Keiko is easier to deal with than Karen, who in turn is more stable than Kiara. But Karen has more leverage, due to a surplus of Kiaras.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "So it was secondary rather than primary discrimination."

    No, it was primary discrimination, and the positive kind at that. Who wants to be around those women whose general disposition is bitchiness? You should know.

    "Keiko is easier to deal with than Karen, who in turn is more stable than Kiara. But Karen has more leverage, due to a surplus of Kiaras."

    LOL, you can't even get the names nor situations right. Laquisha is more sweet compared to Becky, who in turn is more giving than Aaira. But Aaira is more docile and compliant than Laquisha, who decidedly is more aggressive in lovemaking. Then there is Becky, who is able to juggle seamlessly her career as a real estate agent and her family life. All in all, happy wives and happy husbands. Perhaps you're a tad bit jealous?

  144. @notsaying
    There's no reason for young people today to go straight from high school to parenthood. People often feel resentful when that happens, that they didn't have enough time to themselves before their kids came along.

    In today's world people in their late teens and early twenties (at least) should be focused on job training or college and getting themselves established in their fields. They will need that foundation to survive economically as adults and parents.

    In today’s world people in their late teens and early twenties (at least) should be focused on job training or college and getting themselves established in their fields. They will need that foundation to survive economically as adults and parents.

    Having your first child at 45 is more expensive than you think. At least for women.

  145. @benjaminl
    Steve, if you haven't already, you should post about Carle Zimmerman's *Family and Civilization.* These problems go way way back in history (I.e. the decline of Rome & replacement by pholoprogenitive Celts and Germans).

    The Baby Boom was a false dawn for familism. U.S. coastal elites were already atomistic individualists by 1800. Ben Franklin noticed this.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Speech_of_Polly_Baker
    It was the Catholics and Lutherans who really filled up the country.

    The difference between Israel & the U.S. is more than just good policy vs. bad policy. It is about a deep existential-metaphysical belief in being part of something larger than oneself. More:

    https://isi.org/intercollegiate-review/how-families-contribute-to-the-rise-and-fall-of-civilizations/
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/repository/evolution-individualism-and-the-end-of-the-family/

    The difference between Israel & the U.S. is more than just good policy vs. bad policy. It is about a deep existential-metaphysical belief in being part of something larger than oneself. More:

    Civilizational self confidence is the sine qua non of a healthy birthrate, all else is commentary. This is the true damage of the 1619 project and its ilk, they sap the self confidence of the nation. Destroying the self regard and self confidence of a civilization is the worst sort of civilizational subversion and is almost invariably fatal.

  146. Sign of the Times

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/25/pentagon-bashes-new-york-times-over-white-supremac/

    Pentagon bashes New York Times over ‘white supremacy’ editorial

  147. @Dave3
    If whites go extinct, blacks are soon to follow, because no white people means no welfare offices and no EBT cards. No one but whites even pretends to care if blacks live or die.

    As the white population declines, however, the remnant will become more tribal and harder to break. Some whites will retreat to rural communities, assimilating into the fast-growing Amish population, while others remain in the cities and emulate the fair-skinned elites of Latin America and most of the Islamic world, who lord over teeming masses of hungry brown people.

    Technology will continue to stagnante because real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people. (The Chinese stopped innovating 1,000 years ago as they were selected by imperial exams that emphasized memorization over cognition).

    Some whites will retreat to rural communities, assimilating into the fast-growing Amish population

    Not bloody likely for myriad reasons. How is your Pennsylvania Dutch?

  148. @ATBOTL
    My recollection is that around 2010, 11% of the children born to white women had non-white fathers. That number has certainly grown. So the real white birthrate is over 10% lower than the births to white women number.

    How is that certain (beyond using the “everything always gets worse” heuristic)?

  149. @Dave3
    If whites go extinct, blacks are soon to follow, because no white people means no welfare offices and no EBT cards. No one but whites even pretends to care if blacks live or die.

    As the white population declines, however, the remnant will become more tribal and harder to break. Some whites will retreat to rural communities, assimilating into the fast-growing Amish population, while others remain in the cities and emulate the fair-skinned elites of Latin America and most of the Islamic world, who lord over teeming masses of hungry brown people.

    Technology will continue to stagnante because real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people. (The Chinese stopped innovating 1,000 years ago as they were selected by imperial exams that emphasized memorization over cognition).

    real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people.

    A billion white people? Really? There have never been a billion white people. Were there a billion white people when Galileo and Newton were doing their thing?

    If the Chinese can’t innovate then why can I take a brand new train that goes 200 mph from Shanghai to Beijing but Amtrak trains go slower than they did 100 years ago?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Because lawyers. Chinese high speed rail is like Russian roulette. Frequent derailment. And they were free to simply seize land.

    White women are on a baby strike. White men don't excite them they prefer bad boys of which there are a short supply. Give minutes of Alpha beats five years of beta.

    And yes the Kardashian NBA fantasy is held by most White women. Nerely
    Every Kardashian is worth at least 200 million. White women love the NBA, vampire, and bondage billionaire fantasy. The White men around them not so much.

    White men in limitless female choice are not sexy enough to maintain the White race. In contrast to Black men who have no issue keeping it real.
    , @Neoconned
    The airlines and car companies are a huge reason American trains suck.

    Amtrak is.basically at this point on life support. They don't even own most of the tracks they run on. They rent them. CSX owns the tracks on the Sunset Amtrak route.
    , @Dave3
    A much smaller farm team of white people sufficed in Newton's time because there was much low-hanging fruit to be discovered, and one could explore the frontiers of physical science without building a multi-billion-dollar particle accelerator.

    White people also had more robust genetics in those days because childhood diseases culled so many. Unless we start making CRISPR babies, we might continue to accumulate mutations until child mortality returns to Medieval levels.
  150. @Jack D

    real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people.
     
    A billion white people? Really? There have never been a billion white people. Were there a billion white people when Galileo and Newton were doing their thing?

    If the Chinese can't innovate then why can I take a brand new train that goes 200 mph from Shanghai to Beijing but Amtrak trains go slower than they did 100 years ago?

    Because lawyers. Chinese high speed rail is like Russian roulette. Frequent derailment. And they were free to simply seize land.

    White women are on a baby strike. White men don’t excite them they prefer bad boys of which there are a short supply. Give minutes of Alpha beats five years of beta.

    And yes the Kardashian NBA fantasy is held by most White women. Nerely
    Every Kardashian is worth at least 200 million. White women love the NBA, vampire, and bondage billionaire fantasy. The White men around them not so much.

    White men in limitless female choice are not sexy enough to maintain the White race. In contrast to Black men who have no issue keeping it real.

    • Agree: Neoconned
    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Jack D
    You're right - here's a Chinese derailment.

    https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_51/2265841/171218-amtrak-train-derailment-washington-njs-238p_478a07be7041c8cf4cd7c840e572ac3b.fit-2000w.jpg

    Oh, wait, never mind that's Amtrak.
    , @Neoconned
    The Kardashians should be targeted and are the grossest most vile creatures Hollywood slash TV has puked up the last few yrs.

    They made it ok for feelings based white and in some cases Asian or Latina female retards to date or have kids with black dudes. Many white girls now will date black men and then date other men later....even though black dudes have, as the CDC states....6x the rate of most STDs as most other men.

    That's why to white, latino and Asian men....when their women go black they "can't go back".....

    Kim Kardashian and her nut bag sisters are horrible ppl. There are only so many young women of marriageable age to go around....and to throw away their reproductive health like trash & go fornicate with STD ridden players....it only makes competition that much fiercer.

    There isn't much that can be done.

    A woman who is a ten who has slept with a black guy who's a player is LOWER in attractiveness than a TWO on the ten scale morbidly obese women with skin issues....

    A supermodel who inherits a thugs STD microbiota collection is more vile than a pile of rotting garbage.....seriously.....and I'm not trying to be funny or mean when I say that....its an observation....don't hate the thugs though....its these stupid women giving up their only asset for free and chasing after these guys....
    , @Neoconned
    Anyway the Kardashians are the reason this all happened. Here's Kim growing up....looks like any white girl....

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5925818/kim-kardashian-childhood-photos-family-pictures/amp/

    Here's her around 05 or 06 I think:

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/kim-k-ray-j-1503429838.jpg

    Now she looks weirdly like a lite toned black girl. Her weird half sisters too.

    I dunno how she got so trashy but the Kardashians made it cool for white girls to pretend they're trash hip hop hookers, or whatever.

    Somehow she managed to turn the gutter into faux class. Gutter can be cool if its authentic....like punk rockers or authentic hood rap.

    She's just a rich white girl w a mud shark fetish. But she's dangerous in that she sends messages to dumb young girls w low iqs and self image issues that it's okay to marry and date STD laden player thugs.....
  151. “The data are the latest sign of how American childbearing, which began declining during the 2007-09 recession, never fully rebounded when the economy bounced back.”

    if they are making that link, then one can conclude — they missed the point. The economy did not bounce back. And the much touted recovery based on whether stocks rose or fell . . . was not a recovery at all.

    • Agree: Neoconned
    • Replies: @Neoconned
    My theory is the economy never really recovered from the 2001 stock crash...

    And the 2004 on volatility in gas prices has been the biggest culprit to blame....
  152. @Reg Cæsar

    The only emphasis we placed was for the chick not to be bitchy.
     
    So it was secondary rather than primary discrimination. Keiko is easier to deal with than Karen, who in turn is more stable than Kiara. But Karen has more leverage, due to a surplus of Kiaras.

    “So it was secondary rather than primary discrimination.”

    No, it was primary discrimination, and the positive kind at that. Who wants to be around those women whose general disposition is bitchiness? You should know.

    “Keiko is easier to deal with than Karen, who in turn is more stable than Kiara. But Karen has more leverage, due to a surplus of Kiaras.”

    LOL, you can’t even get the names nor situations right. Laquisha is more sweet compared to Becky, who in turn is more giving than Aaira. But Aaira is more docile and compliant than Laquisha, who decidedly is more aggressive in lovemaking. Then there is Becky, who is able to juggle seamlessly her career as a real estate agent and her family life. All in all, happy wives and happy husbands. Perhaps you’re a tad bit jealous?

  153. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    Do you think women will run out of contraceptives? Or become more careless in their use?

    Or turn less to abortion?

    Or be more hopeful for an economic upturn?

    Or will find great, stable relationships with guys who wants to start a family?

  154. @Anonymous
    As far as I can tell, whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks. As these groups decline in % as Asian and Hispanic % increases, I'd expect to see a large decline in anti-white animus.

    whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks.

    Most anti-white animus actually comes from the class of over-educated, self-loathing white liberals. Those folks seem to also be the least likely to perpetuate their line. Maybe that’s a silver lining of sorts.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    White liberals are self-loving; it's non-liberal whites they loath, i.e. deplorables.
  155. @George
    If the choice were negative birth rates or converting to Islam which would be the correct policy choice?

    Talha, is that you?

  156. Anon[158] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gurney Halleck
    As a Somali I plan to, inshallah, import a virginal bride from the home country and perpetuate my race.

    Virginal? As in “looks like a virgin but is not really one”? Keep her well watched, then. Until you find a new one that catches your eye.

    Anyway, I thought Islam was a religion, not a race.

    And an inferior religion at that, that never could properly relate faith to reason. And started by a bloodthirsty, backward sort of fellow. God help your virginal spouse.

    • Replies: @Gurney Halleck
    I was referring to the Somali race.
  157. @Whiskey
    Because lawyers. Chinese high speed rail is like Russian roulette. Frequent derailment. And they were free to simply seize land.

    White women are on a baby strike. White men don't excite them they prefer bad boys of which there are a short supply. Give minutes of Alpha beats five years of beta.

    And yes the Kardashian NBA fantasy is held by most White women. Nerely
    Every Kardashian is worth at least 200 million. White women love the NBA, vampire, and bondage billionaire fantasy. The White men around them not so much.

    White men in limitless female choice are not sexy enough to maintain the White race. In contrast to Black men who have no issue keeping it real.

    You’re right – here’s a Chinese derailment.

    Oh, wait, never mind that’s Amtrak.

    • Replies: @J S Raggmann
    I believe that the Japanese consider quality control during manufacturing & assembly and regular, thorough maintenance checks during the operational life of a system to be vitally important, or maybe I have just been propagandized to believe that. Either way, I would feel very safe riding one of the bullet trains in Japan.

    I do not believe that adherance to good quality control practices means as much in the Chinese culture as in the modern Japanese culture, based on my personal observations and also information from expats in China. So, I would be happy to ride on a new Chinese bullet train after it has made 4 or 5 runs. Ride on a Chinese bullet train after it is a year old? No.

    The itch to innovate or make something new and the ability to translate desire into reality is an individual trait. Innovators can pioneer new products or new methodology if the society in which the innovator lives is tolerant of innovators and places few restraints on change. There are no doubt many, many Chinese capable of inovation, if their society will allow them to operate freely. Conformity is prized in oriental cultures, most especially those with a centrally directed command economy.

    At one time, our country, the US, was tolerant and encouraging of innovation, but not so much now. The engines of innovation are micro businesses, but a small, mini, or micro business does cannot afford to jump through the hoops to get all the permits from various levels of government to build and operate a proto-type system.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    Googling "脱轨" yields these photos. Of course, they could be telephoto distortions, making a derailment look worse than it is.


    http://mobile.newskj.com/pic/003/000/763/00300076371_7672f2e0.jpg

    http://cn.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/30/WS5e81b353a3107bb6b57a997f.html

    https://img0.utuku.china.com/650x0/news/20200402/52107309-481b-44cb-adef-5aa6a711d7b3.jpg


    But then, distortion is more likely to run the other way:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Ap0aRUx8E

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfcKmEF3gnY
    , @kaganovitch
    According to Wiki the USA has had 129 train derailment/accidents in the last decade while China has had single digits.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_accidents_(2010–2019)

    On the other hand , such a massive disparity leads me to suspect that the Chinese are covering up anytime they can . It's somewhat striking that the derailments they are reporting, are very high fatality.
    Further study is required!
  158. @Anon
    I get the feeling that there is a big bump in the white child graph above age 40: That’s when all the New York elites and lesbian couples “have” their kids.

    Both groups, combined, are insignificant in the national total-birth and fertility-rate numbers.

  159. @Anonymous

    I get the feeling that there is a big bump in the white child graph above age 40: That’s when all the New York elites and lesbian couples “have” their kids.
     
    What is significant about the word “have”?

    They pay a surrogate mother or mothers in some impoverished foreign country. The eggs are fertilized in a petri dish with sperm from some male considered suitable; the fertilized egg is frozen; flown to the foreign country; finally implanted in a willing woman with a proven womb. After birth, the egg donor flys over to retrieve the healthy baby. It is a way for desperately poor people in countries like The Ukraine to get a little money to feed their families. Don’t really like to speculate about the fate of the baby if he or she is considered to be other than perfect.

  160. @Hypnotoad666

    whites are mostly hated by whites and blacks.
     
    Most anti-white animus actually comes from the class of over-educated, self-loathing white liberals. Those folks seem to also be the least likely to perpetuate their line. Maybe that's a silver lining of sorts.

    White liberals are self-loving; it’s non-liberal whites they loath, i.e. deplorables.

  161. 50 years ago (the birth of Earth Day) when most of the world was over-breeding, it was hip to confront over-population (along with per-capita over-consumption).

    Since then the already bloated human population has more than doubled — even as Whites are breeding responsibly.

    And now over-population is a seriously taboo subject — thanks to phony “greens” (((who))) were cynically pushing (((their White replacement agenda))) the whole damn while.

  162. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597
    Asians and Jews are being knocked out of competition?

    Asians and Jews are being knocked out of competition?

    Nope. They are both trying to take down the top competitor. And Europeans are letting them do it. No other group has the mix of intelligence, creativity, conscientiousness, cooperativeness, and physical prowess that Europeans possess.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "No other group has the mix of intelligence, creativity, conscientiousness, cooperativeness, and physical prowess that Europeans possess."

    You mean of Anglo-American stock, not European. Imagine how the stout English, Scots, Scots-Irish, and Welsh felt when the nation they helped create–the United States of America–became overrun first by the Irish and Germans (drunks and Catholics), and later on the Italians (swarthy Catholics with a mafia mean streak) and Poles (dullard Catholics). Between 1880 and 1930, the foreign-born population represented between 12 and 15 percent of the total population. We are talking about flipping a nation that was predominately Anglo-Saxon to one that now contained a heavy Eastern and Southern European influence, altering a country to the point that it became unrecognizable. It’s not about “whiteness” or “being European”, but it’s about “remaining Anglo-American”!

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it…After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”

    , @Anon
    It was CHRISTIANITY!! It was the ability to separate church and state, to conciliate faith with reason and give birth to science, to have a universal moral code that promoted social cohesion and personal liberty. Damn. Europe will either recover Christianity or cease to be Europe!!

    The beauty, well, there I agree. But one must cultivate some modesty.
  163. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @donald j tingle
    I wonder if Mr. Sailer is serious when he speaks of “good times” in recent years. Can he really believe that when each succeeding generation is half as wealthy as the preceding one, when real assets whether houses or equities are too expensive for young people to buy, when life spans of working class men were declining,and when growth is a mere 2% even though every imaginable sort of stimulus is in place, we were having good times?

    Any reader of Unz Review has before him adequate information to know the “good times” were a fraud, only sellable because of asset inflation due to credit and money creation, which redistributed wealth to the rich (after all, new money and credit cannot create wealth, it can only redistribute wealth to those who get the money first).

    So, what is it that has distorted the perceptions of apparently reasonable people causing them to repeat the mantra of “good times” under Trump, which were in some ineffable fashion different from Obama’s New Normal?

    I wonder if Mr. Sailer is serious when he speaks of “good times” in recent years. Can he really believe that when each succeeding generation is half as wealthy as the preceding one

  164. @SunBakedSuburb
    "Men are the attractive gender of white people."

    Gonna have to disagree with you, Bigdick. Sure, there are loads of good-looking white men like me and Roger Moore, but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty. White women can be quite exquisite in so many ways. Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.

    dont take my word for it, look at data from sites like okcupid.

  165. @Jack D
    You're right - here's a Chinese derailment.

    https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_51/2265841/171218-amtrak-train-derailment-washington-njs-238p_478a07be7041c8cf4cd7c840e572ac3b.fit-2000w.jpg

    Oh, wait, never mind that's Amtrak.

    I believe that the Japanese consider quality control during manufacturing & assembly and regular, thorough maintenance checks during the operational life of a system to be vitally important, or maybe I have just been propagandized to believe that. Either way, I would feel very safe riding one of the bullet trains in Japan.

    I do not believe that adherance to good quality control practices means as much in the Chinese culture as in the modern Japanese culture, based on my personal observations and also information from expats in China. So, I would be happy to ride on a new Chinese bullet train after it has made 4 or 5 runs. Ride on a Chinese bullet train after it is a year old? No.

    The itch to innovate or make something new and the ability to translate desire into reality is an individual trait. Innovators can pioneer new products or new methodology if the society in which the innovator lives is tolerant of innovators and places few restraints on change. There are no doubt many, many Chinese capable of inovation, if their society will allow them to operate freely. Conformity is prized in oriental cultures, most especially those with a centrally directed command economy.

    At one time, our country, the US, was tolerant and encouraging of innovation, but not so much now. The engines of innovation are micro businesses, but a small, mini, or micro business does cannot afford to jump through the hoops to get all the permits from various levels of government to build and operate a proto-type system.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    Actually the "quality control" ideal in Japan is really process control. They only measure product quality to learn whether the process is going wrong, not whether to scrap the part. They learned it from Americans after WW2. They are quite innovative in inventing and optimizing processes. Tell them what to build and by golly they'll build it right. But I agree with you that they don't do as well in figuring out what the right thing to build is.
  166. @Anonymous
    White women of reproductive age are less than 2 percent of the world's population, so, if they are not reproducing at replacement levels, it won't be long before whites go the way of the Neanderthal.

    …it won’t be long before whites go the way of the Neanderthal.

    Like Fred and Barney. One child apiece, and bad habits to boot.

  167. @Anon
    Virginal? As in “looks like a virgin but is not really one”? Keep her well watched, then. Until you find a new one that catches your eye.

    Anyway, I thought Islam was a religion, not a race.

    And an inferior religion at that, that never could properly relate faith to reason. And started by a bloodthirsty, backward sort of fellow. God help your virginal spouse.

    I was referring to the Somali race.

  168. @Reg Cæsar
    Nobelist genetic engineer Kary Mullis passed away in August. I wonder what he'd've made of this whole virus thing.


    In his 1998 humorous autobiography, Mullis expressed disagreement with the scientific evidence supporting climate change and ozone depletion, the evidence that HIV causes AIDS, and asserted his belief in astrology. Mullis claimed climate change and the HIV/AIDS connection are due to a conspiracy of environmentalists, government agencies, and scientists attempting to preserve their careers and earn money, rather than scientific evidence.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/kary_mullispersonal_views
     
    He had three children but only two grandchildren. Something to mullis over...

    He had three children but only two grandchildren. Something to mullis over…

    Some months ago, in the early stages of the Coronapocalypse, I attempted to discuss the realities of white demographic collapse with a boomer acquaintance of mine.

    He’s a smart guy (and goy) – recently retired after a successful career a major brokerage firm – and reasonably honest about the implications of HBD. Despite our age difference – he’s a few months older than my mother – we’ve shared many a laugh about the shenanigans of rabid SJWs. But his generation’s famed delusional optimism makes him far too sanguine about the prospects for the future.

    “My mother has two siblings,” I said. “My father has one full sibling and several half-siblings. But I’m an only child. My parents haven’t even managed to replace themselves. My maternal grandmother has three children and three grandchildren. But, so far, she only has two great-grandchildren, both of them half-black. And my great-aunt – my maternal grandfather’s sister – fared even worse. She had four sons – three of whom are now dead – and only two grandkids. And we’re not alone.”

    “Your family is an anomaly,” he interjected dismissively. “In my experience, most people have at least two kids. I have two kids, and my daughter has two kids. The white population will probably remain fairly stable over time.”

    “That’s not what the statistics say,” I replied sharply. “The white population is aging rapidly and failing to reproduce itself. Whites will be a minority within twenty years.”

    “There’s bound to be some fluctuation in the numbers,” he said.

    “I know an awful lot of white people who don’t have any kids at all.”

    “It all averages out in the end,” he said, and took a large swig of iced tea. Then he abruptly changed the suspect.

    “My son will probably have to cancel his wedding. We were all going to fly out to Australia next month, but obviously that’s not going to happen now.”

    I’d met his son a couple of times. He’d always come across as an ultra-swishy flamer. But I’d never explicitly confirmed his sexual orientation. And my acquaintance was a regular churchgoer who’d never expressed any sympathy for the pink brigades. So I played coy.

    “Well,” I said, “if he and his future wife have at least one kid, then your family will end up growing in the next generation.”

    I tried to say that line with a straight face, but I could hear a slight edge slipping into my voice as I said wife.

    My acquaintance shot me a sharp glance, as if I’d made a subtle but nasty joke at his expense. Now I knew that he knew that I knew the truth.

    “That’s not going to happen,” he said a few seconds later. He looked around to make sure that no one else was listening. (We were sitting in a semi-crowded restaurant.) Then he leaned over and whispered in my ear, “Just so you know, my son is getting married to another man.”

    “Oh,” I said, and abruptly changed the subject.

    “When you first started out at [major brokerage firm],” I asked, “did you ever imagine that one day a thousand-point daily drop in the Dow would be considered routine?”

    “No,” he replied, “and I never imagined that I’d have to drive 20 miles and visit 50 different stores just to find a single roll of toilet paper.”

    “We live in interesting times,” I said.

    “We do indeed.”

    • Thanks: adreadline
  169. @Jack D
    You're right - here's a Chinese derailment.

    https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_51/2265841/171218-amtrak-train-derailment-washington-njs-238p_478a07be7041c8cf4cd7c840e572ac3b.fit-2000w.jpg

    Oh, wait, never mind that's Amtrak.

    Googling “脱轨” yields these photos. Of course, they could be telephoto distortions, making a derailment look worse than it is.

    http://cn.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/30/WS5e81b353a3107bb6b57a997f.html

    But then, distortion is more likely to run the other way:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    All my experience working with chinese–I’ve hired them, fired them, been hired by, and worked with them–I’ve noticed a common thread amongst them. They aren’t collectively, consistently able to function under western constraints and discipline overall. They can’t seem to think holistically. They don’t seem to be able to perceive that some small dangling negative variable can sink an entire project, and take them down with it. Every time I’ve seen some project eat shit, the Chinese person involved was completely surprised. I’d never want a chinese person as my doctor, or as an engineer for... anything. I’m sure there are competent ones, but they’re on the far side of the bell curve.

    I accept that they have the highest general I.Q.'s, but they also have some kind aspergry blind spot in their approach to perceiving reality that’s generally reliable. Left on their own, I can pretty much count on them dong a ton of things well, but one thing that’s stupid which undermines whatever they do.

    It might have something to do with single-mindedness. Once they get an idea in their head, they tend to pursue it to the detriment of their own success. It’s the damndest thing, but I’ve seen it happen time and again. Probably explains why they cling to communism to this day. No country with a collective high I.Q. would still be trying to make it work.... except the Chinese.

    It’s also why I thought Clinton's big move to share complex technology with the Chinese was a big mistake. They don’t have the collective chops to handle it. The "ethnos."

    We’re gonna be sorrier than we are, even now.

  170. @DRA
    I've been noticing that young ladies on a professional track are more often having eggs frozen to improve their chances of successfully having there own genetic children at a later age.

    If so, there may be selection for a tendency for long time preference.

    Working on our family tree and genealogical data, I have noticed a pronounced increase in family size when my ancestors were part of settlement on the advancing frontier. That is in line with Steve's thoughts on affordable family formation, in that children were useful labor on the frontier rather than a net cost to the parents.

    Those ladies are stupid as eggs can’t be unthawed. Science isn’t there yet. The best you can do is freeze embryos and then you will lose all but one or two out of say eight.

  171. @stillCARealist
    I think marriage itself will come to a screeching halt. I see so much divorce around me that I often wonder why people even bother with making their phony promises anymore. Do they just want a fancy party and great pictures? Maybe a family reunion and a chance to be the stars of the show?

    Anyway, outside of the devotedly religious, I see no marriages making it to the death of one spouse. Interracial marriages may not be helping, but in the long run, for most people, it probably doesn't matter. They'll all split up eventually.

    Please, please, prove me wrong.

    I have no divorces amongst my high school cohort except for the interracial relationships.

  172. @Brutusale
    Like the minority groups that live their lives on the public teat, there are many Mormons and Orthodox Jews abusing the welfare "system".

    This article fails to knowledge that heavy Latino California has a birth rate 1.60 and over 50 percent of births in low birth rate Ca are to Latinos not whites. In fact, about 75 percent of the US has higher birth rates than Ca and only 10 percent of most midwest states and southern states are to Latinos. Also, Texas birth rates are not much higher than Ca and most the births are to Latinos again. The highest birth rates are in white states like North Dakota and even Minnesota has higher birth rates than Ca. In fact, the high immigrant states are dropping faster than white states. Sailer is not totally honest here.

  173. @Anon
    If Dante's Inferno were rewritten today, it would need to add an additional 10th circle for Boomers, which would be below Satan himself.

    The elderly Boomers would be tossed around, like Wrestling Buddies, for eternity by minority retirement home staff.

    Satan would look down at the Boomers, and think, "Well, I wasn't that bad."

    Boomers would look up at Satan, and wonder what frozen lakefront property goes for.

    I hate to say it but

    The boomers that are bad are so bad that they overpower the good boomers giving the whole generation a bad name

    But remember, even they were a product of media brainwashing

    • Replies: @anonymous
    How much media brainwashing does it take to ignore the fact that boomers are selling out their own children and grandchildren?
  174. @SunBakedSuburb
    "Men are the attractive gender of white people."

    Gonna have to disagree with you, Bigdick. Sure, there are loads of good-looking white men like me and Roger Moore, but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty. White women can be quite exquisite in so many ways. Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.

    “but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty.”

    NOTICE how you were purposeful in perpetuating this hierarchy, as if it matters today. Beauty standards have changed throughout human history, and it is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you were channelling your inner Madison Grant.

    He was a biologist and curator for the American Museum of Natural History in New York. In his treatise The Passing of the Great Race that White Americans, Nordics were in a dire state in the modern world, where, because of their abandonment of cultural values, they were close to committing “race suicide” by miscegenation (with the other races of Europe and beyond) and by being outbred by inferior stock (the other races of Europe and beyond) taking advantage of the situation.

    How eloquent his words–“The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums…Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them”.

    Grant recommends segregating “unfavorable” races in ghettos, by installing civil organizations through the public health system to establish quasi-dictatorships in their particular fields.[10] He states the expansion of non-Nordic race types in the Nordic system of freedom would actually mean a slavery to desires, passions, and base behaviors.

    So much for white unity and a common application for European beauty!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them
     
    Is that true?
  175. @anon
    Every day people on this blog lament and gnash your teeth at your impending defeat. You say "If only!" and "We're doomed !" and "Separate!".
    Our founding father's went to war to get what they wanted. They were not afraid of war. George Washington started two wars (French and Indan, and Revolution). They were strong and aggressive men.
    Polk invaded Mexico to get what he wanted, and I'm glad he did. Without that conquest there would be no Houston space center, no Beach Boys, no gunfight at the OK corral.
    You are going to lose, have already lost, the political fight and you know it. You have lost the money fight and you know it.
    You are not going to keep your country without a civil war, a Reconquista. At our founding we had firebrands like Patrick Henry arguing for war. Why doesn't anyone on this blog argue FOR war?

    Go to my comment history, search for:

    donnybrook
    boogaloo
    “civil war”
    “macrophage rapid convergence”
    “are you ready for some football”

  176. @Anonymous

    Asians and Jews are being knocked out of competition?
     
    Nope. They are both trying to take down the top competitor. And Europeans are letting them do it. No other group has the mix of intelligence, creativity, conscientiousness, cooperativeness, and physical prowess that Europeans possess.

    “No other group has the mix of intelligence, creativity, conscientiousness, cooperativeness, and physical prowess that Europeans possess.”

    You mean of Anglo-American stock, not European. Imagine how the stout English, Scots, Scots-Irish, and Welsh felt when the nation they helped create–the United States of America–became overrun first by the Irish and Germans (drunks and Catholics), and later on the Italians (swarthy Catholics with a mafia mean streak) and Poles (dullard Catholics). Between 1880 and 1930, the foreign-born population represented between 12 and 15 percent of the total population. We are talking about flipping a nation that was predominately Anglo-Saxon to one that now contained a heavy Eastern and Southern European influence, altering a country to the point that it became unrecognizable. It’s not about “whiteness” or “being European”, but it’s about “remaining Anglo-American”!

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it…After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it…After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”
     
    I’d take in Poles and Germans all day. They did all the work in this country during expansion, and the didn’t operate in lowbrow gangs from Italy and Ireland which are still here today.

    Take a look at the Nobel Prize list. Quite a few Germans and Poles. Now take a look at the Irish and Italians. Not much going on there. Relatively sad. If any European country turned America shitty, those two win the prize. Think of all the money wasted for generations administrating piece of shit non-assimilating Italians and Irish.

    Imagine how much better this country would be if only Edward Kennedy was stillborn.
  177. @Intelligent Dasein

    The United States had below replacement TFR from 1973 to 1988, then had a relatively stable 20 year run before we began to decline again in 2010. I do not see any reason to think birth rates will not rise again.
     
    You obviously are not thinking 4th dimensionally, Marty.

    Take a look at the population pyramid and try to understand wht it means for dependency ratios and reproductive age cohorts. Do you realize that the number of reproductive age women in the entire developed world declined in absolute terms in 2019 and will be declining from here on out, and that those women are haveing fewer than 2 children? There is a protracted demographic winter already baked into the cake that nobody can do anything about---those missing people have already been not born.

    It would take a sustained campaign of far above replacement fertility to stabilize the population at this point. It isn't going to happen.

    I’m not concerned about the entire developed world. I’m concerned about America. Do keep up now.

  178. @Jack Henson
    I'm old enough to remember when "Castiza nationalism" was just a meme on RW body builder twitter but here we are with it becoming a reality.

    Jack’s back! HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • Replies: @Jack Henson
    Don't quite know how "back" I am, but things have been crazy with this coronavirus whiplash going from nothingburger to all hands on deck to "memento mori, granny".

    Unrelated, but I'm personally kind of shocked at how our supply chain for durable goods has had holes blown in it by ~100k people dying, mostly in nursing homes. Want anything that's not on the shelf and you have some retail schlub shrugging their shoulders admitting they have no idea when they're getting electronic/tools/etc back on the shelf. Amazon is a crap shoot now where you have to trust that PRESTIGE WORLDWIDE (created 3 months ago) is going to ship your item that they've marked up by 25%. Seems like their QA has crashed through the basement because they're focusing all their energy on commercials involving a mystery meat with a septum piercing and neck tattoos so they can assure us that "we're all in this together". WalMart, those pioneers of just in time logistics, are even worst online and walking through a store you can see massive holes in the shelves.

    Our entire logistical basis in this country is held together with spun sugar and farts, and the spun sugar is melting before our eyes.
  179. @Massimo Heitor

    We’ve created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites.
     
    It's not just whites; family formation is difficult for the educated middle/upper classes of all races in Western Civilization.

    the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.
     
    There is a correlation with race, but it's not just whites paying in and non-whites taking out. Lots of whites are on welfare. And many non-whites pay in.

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact.
     
    Probably. This can and should be countered. The younger men here should have more children. The older men here should fight the culture war.

    The older men here should fight the culture war.

    Yes, I’d like to see more older men take risks that the young really shouldn’t be taking. Especially someone who has a guaranteed income.

    Now, I would technically say it’s not just a culture war, it’s about calling out an anti-White agenda as well.

  180. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Googling "脱轨" yields these photos. Of course, they could be telephoto distortions, making a derailment look worse than it is.


    http://mobile.newskj.com/pic/003/000/763/00300076371_7672f2e0.jpg

    http://cn.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202003/30/WS5e81b353a3107bb6b57a997f.html

    https://img0.utuku.china.com/650x0/news/20200402/52107309-481b-44cb-adef-5aa6a711d7b3.jpg


    But then, distortion is more likely to run the other way:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Ap0aRUx8E

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfcKmEF3gnY

    All my experience working with chinese–I’ve hired them, fired them, been hired by, and worked with them–I’ve noticed a common thread amongst them. They aren’t collectively, consistently able to function under western constraints and discipline overall. They can’t seem to think holistically. They don’t seem to be able to perceive that some small dangling negative variable can sink an entire project, and take them down with it. Every time I’ve seen some project eat shit, the Chinese person involved was completely surprised. I’d never want a chinese person as my doctor, or as an engineer for… anything. I’m sure there are competent ones, but they’re on the far side of the bell curve.

    I accept that they have the highest general I.Q.’s, but they also have some kind aspergry blind spot in their approach to perceiving reality that’s generally reliable. Left on their own, I can pretty much count on them dong a ton of things well, but one thing that’s stupid which undermines whatever they do.

    It might have something to do with single-mindedness. Once they get an idea in their head, they tend to pursue it to the detriment of their own success. It’s the damndest thing, but I’ve seen it happen time and again. Probably explains why they cling to communism to this day. No country with a collective high I.Q. would still be trying to make it work…. except the Chinese.

    It’s also why I thought Clinton’s big move to share complex technology with the Chinese was a big mistake. They don’t have the collective chops to handle it. The “ethnos.”

    We’re gonna be sorrier than we are, even now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    They don’t have the collective chops to handle it. The “ethnos.”
     
    What does this mean?
    , @Anon
    Ok, YOU try to work in a foreign country while speaking a foreign language. You wouldn't last a minute.
  181. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "No other group has the mix of intelligence, creativity, conscientiousness, cooperativeness, and physical prowess that Europeans possess."

    You mean of Anglo-American stock, not European. Imagine how the stout English, Scots, Scots-Irish, and Welsh felt when the nation they helped create–the United States of America–became overrun first by the Irish and Germans (drunks and Catholics), and later on the Italians (swarthy Catholics with a mafia mean streak) and Poles (dullard Catholics). Between 1880 and 1930, the foreign-born population represented between 12 and 15 percent of the total population. We are talking about flipping a nation that was predominately Anglo-Saxon to one that now contained a heavy Eastern and Southern European influence, altering a country to the point that it became unrecognizable. It’s not about “whiteness” or “being European”, but it’s about “remaining Anglo-American”!

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it…After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it…After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”

    I’d take in Poles and Germans all day. They did all the work in this country during expansion, and the didn’t operate in lowbrow gangs from Italy and Ireland which are still here today.

    Take a look at the Nobel Prize list. Quite a few Germans and Poles. Now take a look at the Irish and Italians. Not much going on there. Relatively sad. If any European country turned America shitty, those two win the prize. Think of all the money wasted for generations administrating piece of shit non-assimilating Italians and Irish.

    Imagine how much better this country would be if only Edward Kennedy was stillborn.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I’d take in Poles and Germans all day. They did all the work in this country during expansion, and the didn’t operate in lowbrow gangs from Italy and Ireland which are still here today."

    Thanks for proving my point!
    , @Anon
    Oh dear God!
    Ancient Greeks had a natural gift for abstract reasoning.
    Italians up until today, a natural gift for beauty.
    Irish, no idea but if they hold to the Catholic Faith, they will outlive you.
    Germans are organized doers.
    And so on. (The bad guys are actually the British elites, but never mind).
    The beauty of Europe is precisely that small countries flourished independently, creating specific cultures: language, literature, art, science, each with their particular twist. Not one huge oriental despot dominated the territory.
    This pitting Anglos vs Poles is the same stupid tactic of pitting men vs women. Divide and conquer. Duh.
  182. @epebble
    But that is not what is happening in Mexico (and also many other Western Hemisphere countries). My guess is Hispanics don't have a problem with White leadership as long as it skews Democrat. Same with Blacks and others too. The tide is Democratic, not non-White. Even when Whites are well below 50%, they are likely to be the preferred mediating group for leadership.

    Historically in Latin America, Whites typically politically, culturally and economically dominated their countries, even when they were a demographic minority. Look at Mexico.

    I’m not optimistic about Whites retaining dominance in the US. There is a difference between a Black or Hispanic man or woman on the street, who may not care who is in charge as long as they are Democrats, versus other politicians and activists, who definitely do care.

    Only time will tell.

  183. @J S Raggmann
    I believe that the Japanese consider quality control during manufacturing & assembly and regular, thorough maintenance checks during the operational life of a system to be vitally important, or maybe I have just been propagandized to believe that. Either way, I would feel very safe riding one of the bullet trains in Japan.

    I do not believe that adherance to good quality control practices means as much in the Chinese culture as in the modern Japanese culture, based on my personal observations and also information from expats in China. So, I would be happy to ride on a new Chinese bullet train after it has made 4 or 5 runs. Ride on a Chinese bullet train after it is a year old? No.

    The itch to innovate or make something new and the ability to translate desire into reality is an individual trait. Innovators can pioneer new products or new methodology if the society in which the innovator lives is tolerant of innovators and places few restraints on change. There are no doubt many, many Chinese capable of inovation, if their society will allow them to operate freely. Conformity is prized in oriental cultures, most especially those with a centrally directed command economy.

    At one time, our country, the US, was tolerant and encouraging of innovation, but not so much now. The engines of innovation are micro businesses, but a small, mini, or micro business does cannot afford to jump through the hoops to get all the permits from various levels of government to build and operate a proto-type system.

    Actually the “quality control” ideal in Japan is really process control. They only measure product quality to learn whether the process is going wrong, not whether to scrap the part. They learned it from Americans after WW2. They are quite innovative in inventing and optimizing processes. Tell them what to build and by golly they’ll build it right. But I agree with you that they don’t do as well in figuring out what the right thing to build is.

  184. @J S Raggmann
    I have read that if a Bantu in Africa or any other third-world person wants to start a retail business and have any chance to succeed, he must move to another country where he has no relatives or close friends. In his home town or country, his tribal members expect him to provide freebies to all of them. In the same way, a Bantu or Pajeet or other third world person who manages to get a government position is expected to use that position to reward his relatives. Works the same way here, when third-world people move here.

    Stores in ghetto areas fail because tribal culture demands that Bantu enployees ignore shoplifting by other members of their tribe. Various excuses are trotted out for comsumption by the credulous, but the real reason is fealty to tribal culture. Bantu mayors are expected to provide goodies to relatives and friends, and because their vision is colored by immersion in tribal culture, Bantus cannot understand why the melanin deprived object to the practice, and blame bigotry for the whinging about corruption.

    Considering their cultures, the expectations of third-world peoples transplanted into the DSSA are reasonable. However, the cultures of third-world peoples and the western culture that emphasizes private property and meritocracy cannot exist side by side in the same political entity. One side of the cultural conflict must surrender, or the conflict of cultures will lead to bloody civil war. Better people and smarter people than me have already told everybody that we have never had a civil war, but the fact is worth repeating. The death toll from the 1861-1865 war of conquest will be dwarfed by the death toll from the coming civil war.

    Yeah, I really don't know what the words credulous and fealty mean, but those words sure dress up a sentence.

    I’m aware that Indians are a corrupt people, but didn’t know that Indian shopkeepers were expected to provide freebies to family and friends. I know that Black shopkeepers are expected to share their wealth with family and friends and the Black “big man” provides gifts to family and friends from what he has stolen or taken in bribes. Much of Black dysfunction such as pervasive criminality and family instability is simply a reversion back to African patterns of behavior. Blacks are not White people with a suntan.

    It all comes down to biology. I don’t know about how Indians are by nature, but Blacks, East Asians and various Moslem groups are very different than Westerners. There are differences between the Russians and the English. Innate intellectual and temperamental differences are universally recognized in dogs and even cats, but we’re supposed to believe that there are no innate differences between different tribes of humans.

    At one time, immigrants were expected to assimilate to American culture, but nowadays that considered racist. So, immigrants bring with them the dysfunction that caused them to leave their dysfunctional homelands to begin with. In the long run, they’re defeating the purpose of moving to the US or other Western country – a better life.

    Biology -> Culture -> Institutions -> Politics.

  185. Anonymous[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty."

    NOTICE how you were purposeful in perpetuating this hierarchy, as if it matters today. Beauty standards have changed throughout human history, and it is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you were channelling your inner Madison Grant.

    He was a biologist and curator for the American Museum of Natural History in New York. In his treatise The Passing of the Great Race that White Americans, Nordics were in a dire state in the modern world, where, because of their abandonment of cultural values, they were close to committing "race suicide" by miscegenation (with the other races of Europe and beyond) and by being outbred by inferior stock (the other races of Europe and beyond) taking advantage of the situation.

    How eloquent his words--“The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums…Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them".

    Grant recommends segregating "unfavorable" races in ghettos, by installing civil organizations through the public health system to establish quasi-dictatorships in their particular fields.[10] He states the expansion of non-Nordic race types in the Nordic system of freedom would actually mean a slavery to desires, passions, and base behaviors.

    So much for white unity and a common application for European beauty!

    and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them

    Is that true?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Is that true?"

    The 1921 and 1924 Immigration Acts say they are.
  186. @Anonymous

    Maybe a marketing expert should study groups like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, government workers, and others to see what they are doing right.
     
    Jews, and not just Orthodox Jews, are conscious of and speak openly among themselves about “planning for the Jewish People” and Jewish continuity.

    Jews, and not just Orthodox Jews, are conscious of and speak openly among themselves about “planning for the Jewish People” and Jewish continuity.

    True, but the non-Orthodox are just talk and no action. Their fertility rate is 1.6 well below replacement level, more like death spiral level. The Orthodox fertility rate is around 4.

  187. The Wenzhou derailment was pretty terrible. Stuff happens in China all the time that confirms the utter, utter shoddiness of their society and everything they produce on every level. For example, Grand Tour / Top Gear went to China. To travel their new freeways. When it rains the water pools in the center of the highway as the roadway is concave instead of convex. The Romans in 300 BC were building convex roads like the Appian Way by hand. The Chinese with modern industrial building equipment can’t even do that. And the freeways — had no gas stations. Plenty of freeways, no gas stations.

    Everything in China is shoddy and horrible. I’ve been there, so I won’t go to Hell. Little kids wear slits in their diapers so they can just crouch down and poop on the sidewalk. They eat snakes — snakes! The Chinese cuisine on a whole has to be the most disgusting in the world.

    And as far as White fertility goes, Black teen girls and Hispanic Teen girls like getting pregnant. Their men are sexy enough — keeping it real by killing people (a sure fire ghetto way of getting laid — kill some baby or granny and Dontavious or Jose are getting laid that night!) If we want White fertility to go up, teenagers have to start having kids age 16 or so. And that is not happening.

    So we will be a despised, hunted minority in our own lands, likely suffering periodic riots and purges like the Chinese in Southeast Asia but without a nuclear armed China able to intervene.

  188. @JohnnyWalker123
    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_Abortion-pregnancy-rates-declined-among-teenagers-US.png

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.
     

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.
     

    The teen birthrate actually peaked in 1957.
    In 1991 the teen birth rate was 30% lower , mostly due to abortion. In 1957 the teen birthrate was 96 per 1000 and had fallen to 62 per 1000 by 1991.
    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2002/02/teen-pregnancy-trends-and-lessons-learned

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    The teen birthrate actually peaked in 1957.

    Yes, but those were largely married teens. What changed for the worse in later decades was the percentage of unwed teens who were giving birth.
  189. Unfortunately the number of white babies born is lower than the number of births with White mothers . Barrack Obama has a white mother , so would be counted as a white birth today. Today 10% of births to a white mother will be a non-white child like Obama , Halle Berry , Lenny Kravitz or Jessica Alba…they all had white mothers yet identify as non—white.

    The true number of white births last year was about 1.7 million , not 1.9 million. For a baby to be white the mother AND the Father needs to be White. But it only takes one Black parent to make a black baby.

  190. @Massimo Heitor

    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I'd reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.

    I think you should keep fighting for immigration restriction. Support CIS and NumbersUSA.

    But I'd plan on losing. Yes, America and Europe, as we know them will be gone. We will build a future anyway.

    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.

    I’d reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.

    The issue is reversibility.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that’s a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in–they are in and you’re stuck with them. Think “legacy of slavery”.

    In contrast, fertility is reversible. If we run at this 1.65 US whites have now, for a generation, the next generation would be 80% the size of the previous. But you could completely recover that by having fertility that was 25% greater than replacement in the next generation. (That’s quite a snap back, but fertility does jump around considerably.)

    And honestly, in the absence of immigration–a mono-ethnic state–you don’t necessarily need to recover it. Japan has very low fertility and in absolute population decline. But that means every year jobs readily available, wages are solid and housing gets cheaper. As conditions for family formation improve, and non/low breeders weeded from the gene pool, Japan’s fertility will bounce back. They’ll have a less populated nation … but still have a nation! Still be Japanese.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That’s about the white population in 1960–hardly extinction. The problem is not their numbers, but that white Americans no longer reside in their own nation.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people.
     
    The problem is the other 160m people.

    Consider that the Moslem populations of Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan are pretty close in size. But one of those sticks out for some reason.
    , @anon

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That’s about the white population in 1960–hardly extinction.
     
    160m sounds like a great number to me. With that population size we built cars, space ships, and the interstate highway system. And had room to roam.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that’s a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in–they are in and you’re stuck with them. Think “legacy of slavery”.
     
    I get that point, but there are tough measures to reverse as much as we can without going into genocide, death camps, etc.
    We can deport all illegals, including anchor babies.
    We can revoke US citizenship for those with dual citizenship and deport them.
    We can revoke US citizenship for criminals, or give them a choice between long prison sentences or renouncing their citizenship and deportation. For the black underclass in particular, this is the only thing that will thin their ranks.
    We can encourage self-deportation by cutting off the welfare goodies.
    Restore a draft and require military service for young males. Recent arrivals who don't want to die for their new country can be shown the door.
    Start requiring duties and sacrifices as a norm of American citizenship. Free-riders will be motivated to leave. Those that stay will be amenable to assimilation.
    , @Travis
    It will become more difficult for Americans to have 2 million White babies per year , because there are fewer and fewer fertile white women. Back when the US population was much smaller , white women were birthing almost 4 million White babies per year. The last time we had 2 million white babies born in America was more than a decade ago. Last year less than 1.7 million White babies were born , since 10% of the 1.9 million babies born to white women were actually not white babies. It takes 2 white parents make a white baby.

    Year ---total births --white Births
    1960 -- 4,257,850 -- 3,675,000
    1970 -- 3,731,386 -- 3,100,364
    1980 -- 3,612,258 -- 2,898,100
    1990 -- 4,179,000 -- 3,100,000
    2000 --4,058,800 -- 2,920,000
    2010 -- 3,999,300 -- 1,950,000
     
    1980 was the last year the CDC counted white births verse births by White mothers.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statab/natfinal2003.annvol1_01.pdf

    we may never observe 2 million white babies born in America again. The last time 2 million white babies were born was in 2009. In 2010 2,162,406 babies were born to white mothers. But 200,000 of these babies were not white , because they have a non-white father. The last year with 2 million white births was 2009. Next year white women will probably have ~ 1.8 million babies, maybe. how many of them will also have a white father ? 1.6 million ?
    , @Massimo Heitor

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible... In contrast, fertility is reversible.
     
    Sure. I agree with what you are saying.

    I think the reality is that white people won't be allowed to keep white nations exclusively white. I think many white people who cherish their white identity, they recognize their identity is being undermined and destroyed, they don't like it, it's horrible.

    I'm sympathetic. I'd stress I'm sympathetic with people that want to love themselves and preserve or even grow their identity and have some say in passing on their legacy to future generations. Those are normal human desires, and I'd like all people, particularly white people to have honest, genuine, constructive outlets for them.
  191. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist
    I think marriage itself will come to a screeching halt. I see so much divorce around me that I often wonder why people even bother with making their phony promises anymore. Do they just want a fancy party and great pictures? Maybe a family reunion and a chance to be the stars of the show?

    Anyway, outside of the devotedly religious, I see no marriages making it to the death of one spouse. Interracial marriages may not be helping, but in the long run, for most people, it probably doesn't matter. They'll all split up eventually.

    Please, please, prove me wrong.

    I often wonder why people even bother with making their phony promises anymore. Do they just want a fancy party and great pictures? Maybe a family reunion and a chance to be the stars of the show?

    Not “they”. Bridezilla. It’s “HER DAY”.

    Anyway, outside of the devotedly religious, I see no marriages making it to the death of one spouse.

    Upper middle class and upper class are still marrying and not divorcing. Middle class is so-so. Working people have a hard time.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    You're talking about statistics, I'm talking about what I see in real life. Those upper middle class marriages that you see working out may only be the very religious. We're watching three divorces right now: two are UMC, one is middle class. Money is not the problem for any of them, no, it's alcohol, adultery, and attrition. 22 years together, 20 years, and 12 years. Kids in all marriages.

    If you think all those statistical marriages will be together in 10 years, you're dreaming.
  192. @Jack D

    real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people.
     
    A billion white people? Really? There have never been a billion white people. Were there a billion white people when Galileo and Newton were doing their thing?

    If the Chinese can't innovate then why can I take a brand new train that goes 200 mph from Shanghai to Beijing but Amtrak trains go slower than they did 100 years ago?

    The airlines and car companies are a huge reason American trains suck.

    Amtrak is.basically at this point on life support. They don’t even own most of the tracks they run on. They rent them. CSX owns the tracks on the Sunset Amtrak route.

  193. @Anon7
    "...birth control is awfully effective in this day and age"

    No kidding. You wouldn't think this was true, given the way women scream and moan about the right to abortion, because they might get pregnant at any time, and ruin their chances of being a Fields Medal winner or something like that.

    I have a friend who is a reproductive endocrinologist, he's the one you see if you and your wife aren't getting pregnant. He says that doctor-prescribed oral contraception combined with a condom is so effective, that if a woman who claims to use this combination during sex gets pregnant, he assumes she is lying.

    He says that doctor-prescribed oral contraception combined with a condom is so effective…

    …at turning her hormone production– and that of fishes in the sea– inside-out, and removing his contact altogether. Who’s responsible for that Griswold decision anyway?

    “In 1879, Connecticut passed a law that banned the use of any drug, medical device, or other instrument in furthering contraception.”– https://www.oyez.org/cases/1964/496

    Maybe the Victorian prudes in Hartford were onto something.

  194. @AnotherDad


    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I’d reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.
     
    The issue is reversibility.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that's a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in--they are in and you're stuck with them. Think "legacy of slavery".

    In contrast, fertility is reversible. If we run at this 1.65 US whites have now, for a generation, the next generation would be 80% the size of the previous. But you could completely recover that by having fertility that was 25% greater than replacement in the next generation. (That's quite a snap back, but fertility does jump around considerably.)

    And honestly, in the absence of immigration--a mono-ethnic state--you don't necessarily need to recover it. Japan has very low fertility and in absolute population decline. But that means every year jobs readily available, wages are solid and housing gets cheaper. As conditions for family formation improve, and non/low breeders weeded from the gene pool, Japan's fertility will bounce back. They'll have a less populated nation ... but still have a nation! Still be Japanese.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That's about the white population in 1960--hardly extinction. The problem is not their numbers, but that white Americans no longer reside in their own nation.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people.

    The problem is the other 160m people.

    Consider that the Moslem populations of Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan are pretty close in size. But one of those sticks out for some reason.

  195. anon[253] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad


    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I’d reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.
     
    The issue is reversibility.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that's a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in--they are in and you're stuck with them. Think "legacy of slavery".

    In contrast, fertility is reversible. If we run at this 1.65 US whites have now, for a generation, the next generation would be 80% the size of the previous. But you could completely recover that by having fertility that was 25% greater than replacement in the next generation. (That's quite a snap back, but fertility does jump around considerably.)

    And honestly, in the absence of immigration--a mono-ethnic state--you don't necessarily need to recover it. Japan has very low fertility and in absolute population decline. But that means every year jobs readily available, wages are solid and housing gets cheaper. As conditions for family formation improve, and non/low breeders weeded from the gene pool, Japan's fertility will bounce back. They'll have a less populated nation ... but still have a nation! Still be Japanese.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That's about the white population in 1960--hardly extinction. The problem is not their numbers, but that white Americans no longer reside in their own nation.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That’s about the white population in 1960–hardly extinction.

    160m sounds like a great number to me. With that population size we built cars, space ships, and the interstate highway system. And had room to roam.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that’s a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in–they are in and you’re stuck with them. Think “legacy of slavery”.

    I get that point, but there are tough measures to reverse as much as we can without going into genocide, death camps, etc.
    We can deport all illegals, including anchor babies.
    We can revoke US citizenship for those with dual citizenship and deport them.
    We can revoke US citizenship for criminals, or give them a choice between long prison sentences or renouncing their citizenship and deportation. For the black underclass in particular, this is the only thing that will thin their ranks.
    We can encourage self-deportation by cutting off the welfare goodies.
    Restore a draft and require military service for young males. Recent arrivals who don’t want to die for their new country can be shown the door.
    Start requiring duties and sacrifices as a norm of American citizenship. Free-riders will be motivated to leave. Those that stay will be amenable to assimilation.

  196. @Massimo Heitor

    We’ve created conditions which make family formation difficult for young Whites.
     
    It's not just whites; family formation is difficult for the educated middle/upper classes of all races in Western Civilization.

    the fact that Whites are largely on the financial hook for Black and Latino children.
     
    There is a correlation with race, but it's not just whites paying in and non-whites taking out. Lots of whites are on welfare. And many non-whites pay in.

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact.
     
    Probably. This can and should be countered. The younger men here should have more children. The older men here should fight the culture war.

    There is a correlation with race, but it’s not just whites paying in and non-whites taking out. Lots of whites are on welfare. And many non-whites pay in.

    Not on the macro level. On the macro level probably only whites and some subsets of east Asians (the more honest ones like Japanese and maybe Koreans) are as a group paying into the system. So it’s a group-level wealth transfer.

  197. @Jack D
    You're right - here's a Chinese derailment.

    https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_51/2265841/171218-amtrak-train-derailment-washington-njs-238p_478a07be7041c8cf4cd7c840e572ac3b.fit-2000w.jpg

    Oh, wait, never mind that's Amtrak.

    According to Wiki the USA has had 129 train derailment/accidents in the last decade while China has had single digits.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_accidents_(2010–2019)

    On the other hand , such a massive disparity leads me to suspect that the Chinese are covering up anytime they can . It’s somewhat striking that the derailments they are reporting, are very high fatality.
    Further study is required!

  198. @Whiskey
    Because lawyers. Chinese high speed rail is like Russian roulette. Frequent derailment. And they were free to simply seize land.

    White women are on a baby strike. White men don't excite them they prefer bad boys of which there are a short supply. Give minutes of Alpha beats five years of beta.

    And yes the Kardashian NBA fantasy is held by most White women. Nerely
    Every Kardashian is worth at least 200 million. White women love the NBA, vampire, and bondage billionaire fantasy. The White men around them not so much.

    White men in limitless female choice are not sexy enough to maintain the White race. In contrast to Black men who have no issue keeping it real.

    The Kardashians should be targeted and are the grossest most vile creatures Hollywood slash TV has puked up the last few yrs.

    They made it ok for feelings based white and in some cases Asian or Latina female retards to date or have kids with black dudes. Many white girls now will date black men and then date other men later….even though black dudes have, as the CDC states….6x the rate of most STDs as most other men.

    That’s why to white, latino and Asian men….when their women go black they “can’t go back”…..

    Kim Kardashian and her nut bag sisters are horrible ppl. There are only so many young women of marriageable age to go around….and to throw away their reproductive health like trash & go fornicate with STD ridden players….it only makes competition that much fiercer.

    There isn’t much that can be done.

    A woman who is a ten who has slept with a black guy who’s a player is LOWER in attractiveness than a TWO on the ten scale morbidly obese women with skin issues….

    A supermodel who inherits a thugs STD microbiota collection is more vile than a pile of rotting garbage…..seriously…..and I’m not trying to be funny or mean when I say that….its an observation….don’t hate the thugs though….its these stupid women giving up their only asset for free and chasing after these guys….

    • Replies: @Slimer

    That’s why to white, latino and Asian men….when their women go black they “can’t go back”…..
     
    Lmao. Generally, non-white men know that they have low SMV and thus can't be too picky. Few Asians or Latinos would reject Sofia Vergara because she's dated black men. White men, on the other hand, would call her a fat bitch and a coal burner.

    Granted all non-black people hate blacks, white men are the only ones who constantly compare themselves to black men.

  199. @EliteCommInc.
    "The data are the latest sign of how American childbearing, which began declining during the 2007-09 recession, never fully rebounded when the economy bounced back."


    if they are making that link, then one can conclude -- they missed the point. The economy did not bounce back. And the much touted recovery based on whether stocks rose or fell . . . was not a recovery at all.

    My theory is the economy never really recovered from the 2001 stock crash…

    And the 2004 on volatility in gas prices has been the biggest culprit to blame….

  200. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    The teen birthrate actually peaked in 1957.
    In 1991 the teen birth rate was 30% lower , mostly due to abortion. In 1957 the teen birthrate was 96 per 1000 and had fallen to 62 per 1000 by 1991.
    https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2002/02/teen-pregnancy-trends-and-lessons-learned

    The teen birthrate actually peaked in 1957.

    Yes, but those were largely married teens. What changed for the worse in later decades was the percentage of unwed teens who were giving birth.

  201. @Jack D

    real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people.
     
    A billion white people? Really? There have never been a billion white people. Were there a billion white people when Galileo and Newton were doing their thing?

    If the Chinese can't innovate then why can I take a brand new train that goes 200 mph from Shanghai to Beijing but Amtrak trains go slower than they did 100 years ago?

    A much smaller farm team of white people sufficed in Newton’s time because there was much low-hanging fruit to be discovered, and one could explore the frontiers of physical science without building a multi-billion-dollar particle accelerator.

    White people also had more robust genetics in those days because childhood diseases culled so many. Unless we start making CRISPR babies, we might continue to accumulate mutations until child mortality returns to Medieval levels.

    • Agree: Neoconned
  202. @The Practical Conservative
    This isn't true. Using college education as a proxy, a majority of white babies are born to degreed women (bachelor's or more).

    Using college education as a proxy, a majority of white babies are born to degreed women (bachelor’s or more).

    I won’t dispute that a majority of white babies are born to degreed mothers – the quant stacks up, as follows.

    There are 50 million white women of reproductive age in the US; 37% of them have bachelors or better; they reproduce at ~58/1000… that gets you to over a million births from that cohort, which is a clear majority of births to white mothers.

    However I disagree that ‘degreed‘ is a proxy for anything.

    It’s certainly not a proxy for the opposite of “bad at math, long term planning, and common sense“.

    Approximately 37% of breeding-age US women have finished 4 or more years of college; the disciplines in which they dominate are for the most part things which are properly regarded as hobbies.

    Furthermore: while women earn 57% of US bachelor’s degrees, they hold ⅔ of all college debt.

    Anyone who is not in the top decile in their discipline is wasting their time, and only an absolute mug would borrow in order to finish outside the top decile (most of the very top kiddies – the ones who capture all the excess gains to elite education – are on scholarships).

    If you were of a gentler (and less-realistic) bent you might extend that “education repays its investment” idea to the top 20% for key STEM fields (and for things that are an entrée to government work – e.g., school-teaching).

    Let’s be full-on retarded and assert – pace evidence to the contrary – that the everyone in the top 50% of the graduating class, gets a lifetime net benefit from their degree.

    So… the bottom half (at the very least) of US adult women with ‘bachelor or better’ educational attainment are the absolute epitome of

    bad at math, long term planning, and common sense

    Also… in the US ‘degreed’ is a moving feast that overlaps ‘failed to finish high school‘ elsewhere in the West.

    It is only relatively recently that the rest of the West adopted stupid ‘pretend’ American educational credentialism (where 42% of university grades are ‘A’ or better) and started sending ridiculous numbers of idiot teens to ‘college’.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    Oh... one other thing...

    What proportion of white babies born to these 'degreed' women, are also born to white fathers?

    What I'm getting at here, is that the sort of dimbulb Becky who gets a student loan to pay tuition plus living expenses at a party school to study a hobby... is more likely to have a 'vibrant' and 'diverse' viewpoint about reproduction.

    I don't think you would intuitively say the same thing about rural white women, who are far more likely to keep it in the 'family' (i.e., other white folks - not necessarily only kin).
  203. @Kratoklastes

    Using college education as a proxy, a majority of white babies are born to degreed women (bachelor’s or more).
     
    I won't dispute that a majority of white babies are born to degreed mothers - the quant stacks up, as follows.

    There are 50 million white women of reproductive age in the US; 37% of them have bachelors or better; they reproduce at ~58/1000... that gets you to over a million births from that cohort, which is a clear majority of births to white mothers.

    However I disagree that 'degreed' is a proxy for anything.

    It's certainly not a proxy for the opposite of "bad at math, long term planning, and common sense".

    Approximately 37% of breeding-age US women have finished 4 or more years of college; the disciplines in which they dominate are for the most part things which are properly regarded as hobbies.

    Furthermore: while women earn 57% of US bachelor's degrees, they hold ⅔ of all college debt.

    Anyone who is not in the top decile in their discipline is wasting their time, and only an absolute mug would borrow in order to finish outside the top decile (most of the very top kiddies - the ones who capture all the excess gains to elite education - are on scholarships).

    If you were of a gentler (and less-realistic) bent you might extend that "education repays its investment" idea to the top 20% for key STEM fields (and for things that are an entrée to government work - e.g., school-teaching).

    Let's be full-on retarded and assert - pace evidence to the contrary - that the everyone in the top 50% of the graduating class, gets a lifetime net benefit from their degree.

    So... the bottom half (at the very least) of US adult women with 'bachelor or better' educational attainment are the absolute epitome of


    bad at math, long term planning, and common sense
     
    Also... in the US 'degreed' is a moving feast that overlaps 'failed to finish high school' elsewhere in the West.

    It is only relatively recently that the rest of the West adopted stupid 'pretend' American educational credentialism (where 42% of university grades are 'A' or better) and started sending ridiculous numbers of idiot teens to 'college'.

    Oh… one other thing…

    What proportion of white babies born to these ‘degreed’ women, are also born to white fathers?

    What I’m getting at here, is that the sort of dimbulb Becky who gets a student loan to pay tuition plus living expenses at a party school to study a hobby… is more likely to have a ‘vibrant’ and ‘diverse’ viewpoint about reproduction.

    I don’t think you would intuitively say the same thing about rural white women, who are far more likely to keep it in the ‘family’ (i.e., other white folks – not necessarily only kin).

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    Female relative of mine did well in school. Former Catholic schoolgirl, graduated from an SEC school w a STEM degree etc

    Now lives near LA last I heard w some loser thug dude who side jobs as a welder.

    Can't fix stupid and can't shine sh-t as the phrase goes.
    , @The Practical Conservative
    They make up most married mothers. Their husbands pay their debts. College education is how you get to have access to a husband who makes enough to allow you to have a 50% non-full time work rate and children besides.
  204. @Obamahotep
    Yes birthrates will increase. No, its not surprising birthrates went down during economic good times. Women don't want kids when their careers are doing well, at least until their late 30s.

    Bad times will increase pregnancies. Fooling around is free. Birth control costs money.

    Women don’t want kids when their careers are doing well, at least until their late 30s.

    There you go assuming White women are making all the fertility decisions.

  205. @SunBakedSuburb
    "Men are the attractive gender of white people."

    Gonna have to disagree with you, Bigdick. Sure, there are loads of good-looking white men like me and Roger Moore, but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty. White women can be quite exquisite in so many ways. Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.

    Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.

    I do hope men are not avoiding women who doted on their furbabies. These are exactly the sort of women you should be pursuing.

  206. anonymous[958] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thoughts
    I hate to say it but

    The boomers that are bad are so bad that they overpower the good boomers giving the whole generation a bad name

    But remember, even they were a product of media brainwashing

    How much media brainwashing does it take to ignore the fact that boomers are selling out their own children and grandchildren?

  207. @Whiskey
    Because lawyers. Chinese high speed rail is like Russian roulette. Frequent derailment. And they were free to simply seize land.

    White women are on a baby strike. White men don't excite them they prefer bad boys of which there are a short supply. Give minutes of Alpha beats five years of beta.

    And yes the Kardashian NBA fantasy is held by most White women. Nerely
    Every Kardashian is worth at least 200 million. White women love the NBA, vampire, and bondage billionaire fantasy. The White men around them not so much.

    White men in limitless female choice are not sexy enough to maintain the White race. In contrast to Black men who have no issue keeping it real.

    Anyway the Kardashians are the reason this all happened. Here’s Kim growing up….looks like any white girl….

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/5925818/kim-kardashian-childhood-photos-family-pictures/amp/

    Here’s her around 05 or 06 I think:

    Now she looks weirdly like a lite toned black girl. Her weird half sisters too.

    I dunno how she got so trashy but the Kardashians made it cool for white girls to pretend they’re trash hip hop hookers, or whatever.

    Somehow she managed to turn the gutter into faux class. Gutter can be cool if its authentic….like punk rockers or authentic hood rap.

    She’s just a rich white girl w a mud shark fetish. But she’s dangerous in that she sends messages to dumb young girls w low iqs and self image issues that it’s okay to marry and date STD laden player thugs…..

  208. @Kratoklastes
    Oh... one other thing...

    What proportion of white babies born to these 'degreed' women, are also born to white fathers?

    What I'm getting at here, is that the sort of dimbulb Becky who gets a student loan to pay tuition plus living expenses at a party school to study a hobby... is more likely to have a 'vibrant' and 'diverse' viewpoint about reproduction.

    I don't think you would intuitively say the same thing about rural white women, who are far more likely to keep it in the 'family' (i.e., other white folks - not necessarily only kin).

    Female relative of mine did well in school. Former Catholic schoolgirl, graduated from an SEC school w a STEM degree etc

    Now lives near LA last I heard w some loser thug dude who side jobs as a welder.

    Can’t fix stupid and can’t shine sh-t as the phrase goes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Western (and subcontinent Indian) Yamnaya culture was, as I understand it, characterized by extensive use and (probable) invention of the warrior's council, composed entirely of men. This council was capable of disregarding the interests of its own group's women, as in Europe where the male lines of previous populations were ended, but the female lines were not. This implies considerable mating of Yamnaya males with female captives/slaves/co-wives, something the Yamnaya women quite likely opposed. From this standpoint, the warrior's council is the base of "patriarchy" and the women's suspicions of men's motives in business and war (and attempts to monitor and constrain men's actions) are not new. As is often the case, newly coined words are euphemisms that replace terms to painful to say (e.g. substitution of "works" for "succeeds").

    Over the several thousand years since invention of the Warrior's Council, women have grown into to their role in Yamnaya descended cultures. This role is largely oppositional, and does not value men's achievement as a good per se. After all, what's good for the wife or unmarried woman about bringing home a new war bride as a co-wife or even as a maid/concubine? For that matter, what is good for the wife about a 60 hour week husband, or a husband who dies heroically in battle?

    So women who have survived tend to ignore men's behavior as social necessities, no more, and do not quite understand why anybody would consider them important. Women have, in fact, been told by very many sources that if they want a good marriage, they must be part of a "Two career family", and that is largely why they get careers.

    When the women have demonstrated to them by events that the two career family is _not_ a good marriage, they quit their careers if married, or persist in them until they drink/eat themselves to death. Or perhaps they divorce their husbands and go looking for the good marriage, settling for the "loser thug dude who side jobs as a welder" but who isn't gone 60 hr/week, isn't exhausted when he comes home, and doesn't make her spend her time in a "second career" that is utterly meaningless to her.

    This is utterly dysfunctional, and one thing COVID-19 has demonstrated is just how poor we are (e.g. no leadership, no reserves, professional advice worthless). As employment prospects dwindle, and the authority of leadership and professionals diminishes, sheer necessity will make the above "two career" system slowly vanish. That won't eliminate women's innate shrewishness, but it will give everybody an incentive to reduce its incidence.
    , @Justvisiting
    She found her "exciting" alpha.

    He will bail out soon enough (or get caught doing something that means jail time), and she will join the ranks of the alpha widow army.

    Some alpha widows eventually find beta husbands (and may have a child or two), and some put on a ton of weight and dream of the former glory days, and create a household full of cats or small dogs.

    Seventy years ago she would have married her local beta teen boyfriend, raised several high IQ kids, and been very happy about life.

    Welcome to the Brave New World.
  209. @Ben tillman
    Whites lost political power in 1963, if not earlier.

    To an extent, you’re right, but it’s a matter of degree. At this stage, the ruling elite can only impose punitive measures on whites to the extent that it can brainwash whites into accepting them. Now, whites are pretty pliant, so they can be controlled by subversion alone to a large degree, but not to an absolute degree. Our current ruling class does not yet have the power its cousins enjoyed in Bolshevik Russia, for example, the power to kill, torture, rape and enslave at whim.

    Of course I’m only speculating here, but my impression is that the whole point of the demographic replacement is to take the away the need to have the whites cooperate in their own subjugation so that more severe forms of oppression can be instituted. Otherwise, if you’re the elite, why even risk losing the large degree of power you currently enjoy over a majority white herd by bringing in members of an entirely new herd, who are not only less useful but perhaps will prove to be more challenging to control? You wouldn’t risk upsetting the highly advantageous paradigm you find yourself in unless you expected to exercise some additional benefit in changing this paradigm even further. At this point the elites have such a large degree of control that the only things they cannot yet do are things whites would find very unpleasant, but they are moving to a stage where whites will not have any say in the matter.

  210. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    The teen abortion rate fell faster than the teen birth rate.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/02/why-is-the-teen-birth-rate-falling/

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/FT_19.08.02_TeenBirths_Abortion-pregnancy-rates-declined-among-teenagers-US.png

    The abortion rate among 15- to 19-year-old girls and women has also been declining, from 44.0 per 1,000 in 1988 to 10.6 in 2013.
     

    In 2013, the estimated teen pregnancy rate – which reflects not only live births, but also miscarriages, stillbirths and abortions – was 43.4 pregnancies per 1,000 females ages 15 to 19. This marks a steep decline, especially since 1990, when the pregnancy rate among teens peaked at 117.6.
     

    I’d say the most important factor is the decline in the marriage rate. Lower-class girls have always been the primary ones having kids out of wedlock. In the 1980s, it was still possible to fool a lower-class girl into unprotected sex by saying you’ll marry her afterwards. Today, no lower-class girl believes that line. She likely doesn’t know a single woman in her entire social circle who’s actually married. For a lower-class girl, getting a man to commit to marriage is like spotting Bigfoot. So she knows she better not get pregnant or she’ll be stuck with a kid and the husband won’t be around to provide an income for it.

    There’s another factor, namely there seems to be a gradual Darwinian penalty for a population that average only two offspring per woman if the woman carries genes for reckless behavior and chooses to have children out of wedlock.

    If you were a woman with reckless genes in 1800, and had ten kids out of wedlock, enough of those kids would have survived with those reckless genes to keep reckless genes spreading and multiplying. But in modern times, have only two children can cut off your genes lines quickly. If your kids have stupid car accidents, drug/alcohol overdoses, or STDs, the chances of them surviving to reproduce begins to drop by a large mathematical factor. The effect becomes very clear when you look at your grandchildren (if they exist).

    Evolution moves FAST in a population in which every person has no more than 2 offspring. There’s a ton of winnowing that takes place. Every generation from now on, we’re going to see a fundamental change in the overall character of the American population. Evolution is a slower process if every person has 4-6 offspring.

    One thing I’ve noticed is that Millennials are more cautious and obedient than Boomers, which to me indicates they are more often the children of that section of the Boomers who were more cautious and obedient themselves. This trait may become even more pronounced in the children of Millennials.

  211. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave3
    If whites go extinct, blacks are soon to follow, because no white people means no welfare offices and no EBT cards. No one but whites even pretends to care if blacks live or die.

    As the white population declines, however, the remnant will become more tribal and harder to break. Some whites will retreat to rural communities, assimilating into the fast-growing Amish population, while others remain in the cities and emulate the fair-skinned elites of Latin America and most of the Islamic world, who lord over teeming masses of hungry brown people.

    Technology will continue to stagnante because real innovation requires the tip of the right tail of a bell curve containing a billion white people. (The Chinese stopped innovating 1,000 years ago as they were selected by imperial exams that emphasized memorization over cognition).

    The Chinese stopped innovating because their Emperors were paranoid about anything that might disturb the social order, so the Emperors executed anybody who invented anything. It didn’t matter if it was a new machine or an idea. Anything could be subversive. 1000 years of killing off the innovators wiped out the creative genes in the Chinese very effectively.

    Of course, when you look at Covid-19, you can see they had a point.

  212. Anonymous[929] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    Female relative of mine did well in school. Former Catholic schoolgirl, graduated from an SEC school w a STEM degree etc

    Now lives near LA last I heard w some loser thug dude who side jobs as a welder.

    Can't fix stupid and can't shine sh-t as the phrase goes.

    Western (and subcontinent Indian) Yamnaya culture was, as I understand it, characterized by extensive use and (probable) invention of the warrior’s council, composed entirely of men. This council was capable of disregarding the interests of its own group’s women, as in Europe where the male lines of previous populations were ended, but the female lines were not. This implies considerable mating of Yamnaya males with female captives/slaves/co-wives, something the Yamnaya women quite likely opposed. From this standpoint, the warrior’s council is the base of “patriarchy” and the women’s suspicions of men’s motives in business and war (and attempts to monitor and constrain men’s actions) are not new. As is often the case, newly coined words are euphemisms that replace terms to painful to say (e.g. substitution of “works” for “succeeds”).

    Over the several thousand years since invention of the Warrior’s Council, women have grown into to their role in Yamnaya descended cultures. This role is largely oppositional, and does not value men’s achievement as a good per se. After all, what’s good for the wife or unmarried woman about bringing home a new war bride as a co-wife or even as a maid/concubine? For that matter, what is good for the wife about a 60 hour week husband, or a husband who dies heroically in battle?

    So women who have survived tend to ignore men’s behavior as social necessities, no more, and do not quite understand why anybody would consider them important. Women have, in fact, been told by very many sources that if they want a good marriage, they must be part of a “Two career family”, and that is largely why they get careers.

    When the women have demonstrated to them by events that the two career family is _not_ a good marriage, they quit their careers if married, or persist in them until they drink/eat themselves to death. Or perhaps they divorce their husbands and go looking for the good marriage, settling for the “loser thug dude who side jobs as a welder” but who isn’t gone 60 hr/week, isn’t exhausted when he comes home, and doesn’t make her spend her time in a “second career” that is utterly meaningless to her.

    This is utterly dysfunctional, and one thing COVID-19 has demonstrated is just how poor we are (e.g. no leadership, no reserves, professional advice worthless). As employment prospects dwindle, and the authority of leadership and professionals diminishes, sheer necessity will make the above “two career” system slowly vanish. That won’t eliminate women’s innate shrewishness, but it will give everybody an incentive to reduce its incidence.

    • Thanks: Neoconned
  213. @Neoconned
    The Kardashians should be targeted and are the grossest most vile creatures Hollywood slash TV has puked up the last few yrs.

    They made it ok for feelings based white and in some cases Asian or Latina female retards to date or have kids with black dudes. Many white girls now will date black men and then date other men later....even though black dudes have, as the CDC states....6x the rate of most STDs as most other men.

    That's why to white, latino and Asian men....when their women go black they "can't go back".....

    Kim Kardashian and her nut bag sisters are horrible ppl. There are only so many young women of marriageable age to go around....and to throw away their reproductive health like trash & go fornicate with STD ridden players....it only makes competition that much fiercer.

    There isn't much that can be done.

    A woman who is a ten who has slept with a black guy who's a player is LOWER in attractiveness than a TWO on the ten scale morbidly obese women with skin issues....

    A supermodel who inherits a thugs STD microbiota collection is more vile than a pile of rotting garbage.....seriously.....and I'm not trying to be funny or mean when I say that....its an observation....don't hate the thugs though....its these stupid women giving up their only asset for free and chasing after these guys....

    That’s why to white, latino and Asian men….when their women go black they “can’t go back”…..

    Lmao. Generally, non-white men know that they have low SMV and thus can’t be too picky. Few Asians or Latinos would reject Sofia Vergara because she’s dated black men. White men, on the other hand, would call her a fat bitch and a coal burner.

    Granted all non-black people hate blacks, white men are the only ones who constantly compare themselves to black men.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I'm not so sure about non white men having low SMV....maybe in some place like Seattle or Boston but not New Orleans.....white and Asian and Latina women....and I mean HOT ONES that could command a millionaire's wife status throw their looks away like trash and date these losers. And I'm not talking some black dude actor zillionaire or supermodel or what not....my relative LIVES WITH this weird black thug guy.

    He's a welder or some such but is trying to get into the Hollywood game. I think he's trying to be an actor or something.

    Back home he'd be the equivalent of Darius Rucker....in California hes hip and cool. He was spouting some weird new age crap to me the other week when I hung out with him and my relative. Crystal power or some such. Hes been hanging out w weird California white ppl....but back here at least the under 30 girls are crazy for black dudes and are unapologetic coalburners.
  214. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    All my experience working with chinese–I’ve hired them, fired them, been hired by, and worked with them–I’ve noticed a common thread amongst them. They aren’t collectively, consistently able to function under western constraints and discipline overall. They can’t seem to think holistically. They don’t seem to be able to perceive that some small dangling negative variable can sink an entire project, and take them down with it. Every time I’ve seen some project eat shit, the Chinese person involved was completely surprised. I’d never want a chinese person as my doctor, or as an engineer for... anything. I’m sure there are competent ones, but they’re on the far side of the bell curve.

    I accept that they have the highest general I.Q.'s, but they also have some kind aspergry blind spot in their approach to perceiving reality that’s generally reliable. Left on their own, I can pretty much count on them dong a ton of things well, but one thing that’s stupid which undermines whatever they do.

    It might have something to do with single-mindedness. Once they get an idea in their head, they tend to pursue it to the detriment of their own success. It’s the damndest thing, but I’ve seen it happen time and again. Probably explains why they cling to communism to this day. No country with a collective high I.Q. would still be trying to make it work.... except the Chinese.

    It’s also why I thought Clinton's big move to share complex technology with the Chinese was a big mistake. They don’t have the collective chops to handle it. The "ethnos."

    We’re gonna be sorrier than we are, even now.

    They don’t have the collective chops to handle it. The “ethnos.”

    What does this mean?

  215. @Neoconned
    Female relative of mine did well in school. Former Catholic schoolgirl, graduated from an SEC school w a STEM degree etc

    Now lives near LA last I heard w some loser thug dude who side jobs as a welder.

    Can't fix stupid and can't shine sh-t as the phrase goes.

    She found her “exciting” alpha.

    He will bail out soon enough (or get caught doing something that means jail time), and she will join the ranks of the alpha widow army.

    Some alpha widows eventually find beta husbands (and may have a child or two), and some put on a ton of weight and dream of the former glory days, and create a household full of cats or small dogs.

    Seventy years ago she would have married her local beta teen boyfriend, raised several high IQ kids, and been very happy about life.

    Welcome to the Brave New World.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    I've cut ties for the most part w her. Social ostracism seems to be the only language these gross attention whores seem to follow....

    I don't necessarily oppose interracial marriage.....it should be allowed BUT white trash coalburnees who do this crap should be forced to be banned from the welfare system. Or say set up a race based quota taxation system.

    If she wants kids with a black absentee dad then set up a welfare fund from black taxpayers and take her welfare expenditures out of that pot instead of having "everyone pay for it."

    That way she'll be destitute and it'll send a strong message to potential coal burners....have a kid no one will care for and end up.w a horrible life.
  216. @Massimo Heitor
    Don't just complain about it, work on solutions.

    Sure, there are lots of complex financial, economic, cultural components at play. But none of this is unsolvable.

    First, the young men here can directly choose to have large families and choose careers that accommodate that. The older men who are passed their child bearing years can encourage and possibly financially support close family to have more children. They can also work on cultural, economic, and political changes.

    No! More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is! So choosing to have large families ain’t happening! No fault divirce, blowing up the marriage in five years to go “eat pray love”, hop back on the cock carousel, while the man walks away losing his house, assets, rights to have even a miniscule say in how his kids are raised, and in many cases not being able to see them at all! So you can “just do it” the smart set will not!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    No! More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is! So choosing to have large families ain’t happening! No fault divirce, blowing up the marriage in five years to go “eat pray love”, hop back on the cock carousel, while the man walks away losing his house, assets, rights to have even a miniscule say in how his kids are raised
     
    At least he has kids, which is the greatest wealth a man can have.
    , @Massimo Heitor

    More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is
     
    Some marriages are terrible. And it's miserable to be stuck in those. Sometimes it's the woman's fault, other times it's the man's fault. I know a married couple where the husband doesn't work and is a horrible person and the wife has the career and won't leave him because they have two kids together.

    Some marriages are great. I'm a happily married white man, happily married to a black woman. My kids give me immense source of happiness.
  217. @Gurney Halleck
    Do non-whites have a collective identity that is hostile to whites or something?

    Joe Sobran got it right a while back:
    “”Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself.
    Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared.
    The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation.
    The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it.
    And, superiority excites envy.
    Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities.”
    Joseph Sobran, April 1997″

  218. Most white women go to college, career, ride the cock carousel. Put off having kids only till the baby rabies kick in, in their early thirties and put it off as long as they possibly can and then are holding out for the perfect man who’ checks off all the boxes on their 487 point list of criteria. So many end up with wombs as barren as the Sierra dessert in an August drought. Blacks, Hispanics, start having kids early and often by an assortment of baby daddy’s, who’s ghetto kings and queens of the future are supported by the white working class… Tax theft / welfare in perpetuity! As more white men are red pilled, they see marraige for the life long debt enslavement trap that it is… All risk little reward!
    The segment of men who still want to get married can’t lock down even a thirty something heffer, as said heffers and leather faced harlots are holding out for the perfect stud / provider… And those guys the top 20% have no interest in marraige, / kids… They’re banging every thing that walks for free!

  219. @Anonymous

    and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them
     
    Is that true?

    “Is that true?”

    The 1921 and 1924 Immigration Acts say they are.

  220. @Anonymous

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it…After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”
     
    I’d take in Poles and Germans all day. They did all the work in this country during expansion, and the didn’t operate in lowbrow gangs from Italy and Ireland which are still here today.

    Take a look at the Nobel Prize list. Quite a few Germans and Poles. Now take a look at the Irish and Italians. Not much going on there. Relatively sad. If any European country turned America shitty, those two win the prize. Think of all the money wasted for generations administrating piece of shit non-assimilating Italians and Irish.

    Imagine how much better this country would be if only Edward Kennedy was stillborn.

    “I’d take in Poles and Germans all day. They did all the work in this country during expansion, and the didn’t operate in lowbrow gangs from Italy and Ireland which are still here today.”

    Thanks for proving my point!

  221. @AnotherDad


    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I’d reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.
     
    The issue is reversibility.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that's a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in--they are in and you're stuck with them. Think "legacy of slavery".

    In contrast, fertility is reversible. If we run at this 1.65 US whites have now, for a generation, the next generation would be 80% the size of the previous. But you could completely recover that by having fertility that was 25% greater than replacement in the next generation. (That's quite a snap back, but fertility does jump around considerably.)

    And honestly, in the absence of immigration--a mono-ethnic state--you don't necessarily need to recover it. Japan has very low fertility and in absolute population decline. But that means every year jobs readily available, wages are solid and housing gets cheaper. As conditions for family formation improve, and non/low breeders weeded from the gene pool, Japan's fertility will bounce back. They'll have a less populated nation ... but still have a nation! Still be Japanese.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That's about the white population in 1960--hardly extinction. The problem is not their numbers, but that white Americans no longer reside in their own nation.

    It will become more difficult for Americans to have 2 million White babies per year , because there are fewer and fewer fertile white women. Back when the US population was much smaller , white women were birthing almost 4 million White babies per year. The last time we had 2 million white babies born in America was more than a decade ago. Last year less than 1.7 million White babies were born , since 10% of the 1.9 million babies born to white women were actually not white babies. It takes 2 white parents make a white baby.

    Year —total births –white Births
    1960 — 4,257,850 — 3,675,000
    1970 — 3,731,386 — 3,100,364
    1980 — 3,612,258 — 2,898,100
    1990 — 4,179,000 — 3,100,000
    2000 –4,058,800 — 2,920,000
    2010 — 3,999,300 — 1,950,000

    1980 was the last year the CDC counted white births verse births by White mothers.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/statab/natfinal2003.annvol1_01.pdf

    we may never observe 2 million white babies born in America again. The last time 2 million white babies were born was in 2009. In 2010 2,162,406 babies were born to white mothers. But 200,000 of these babies were not white , because they have a non-white father. The last year with 2 million white births was 2009. Next year white women will probably have ~ 1.8 million babies, maybe. how many of them will also have a white father ? 1.6 million ?

  222. I’ve raised this question before, and I’ll raise it again:
    Are there any specific criteria by which the “hispanic whites” are worse nation-building (or at least nation-maintenance) than
    a) “Mediterranean Europeans” such as Southern Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Cypriots, and the Portugese,
    b) “Slavic-turkic” Eastern Europeans such as Montenegrans, Macedonians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Serbs, Ukrainians, South Russians, and Hungarians,
    c) “Muslim Europeans” such Turks, Albanians, Azerbajanis, Bosnians?

    Mediterranean Europeans can maintain lower tier First World levels, Eastern Europeans can maintain higher tier Second World* levels, Muslim Europeans can maintain lower tier Second World levels, and after this upper tier Third World levels start (i.e. Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Thailand, Iran).

    Either way there’s no going back to the real “world leader levels”, not with Anglo and Germanic demographics plummeting the way they are, and the corresponding social structures warping and collapsing at the same time, but *could* the situation be stabilized at say French levels? Spanish levels? Croatian levels? Moldovan levels?

    Or are the hispanic whites more of the Turish or even Libyan type of “white” in the sense of civilization-building and maintenance potential?

    Also, does anyone start to suspect that a generation from now at least a third of the US will be speaking in some sort of anglo-spanish-ebonic creole?

    ____
    * I prefer to use the “first-second-third world” scale in the “quality of life” and “civilizational achievement” sense, not in the original narrow “who’s with whom during Cold War One” sense.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    but *could* the situation be stabilized at say French levels? Spanish levels? Croatian levels? Moldovan levels?
     
    Hard to say. Brazil produces cars and jets and so on, especially (but not only) if they are made in foreign owned/supervised factories, but it's hard to say that they would have INVENTED them in the first place. Probably as long as the US produces export worthy agricultural and other products (including entertainment - blacks are very entertaining) it will be able to trade with Asia for electronics and things of that nature that we are no longer capable of producing/inventing, but most Americans (even those of Hispanic heritage) are not going to be happy having to live at non-elite Brazilian income levels.
    , @Corvinus
    "Are there any specific criteria by which the “hispanic whites” are worse nation-building (or at least nation-maintenance) than
    a) “Mediterranean Europeans” such as Southern Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Cypriots, and the Portugese,
    b) “Slavic-turkic” Eastern Europeans such as Montenegrans, Macedonians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Serbs, Ukrainians, South Russians, and Hungarians,
    c) “Muslim Europeans” such Turks, Albanians, Azerbajanis, Bosnians?"

    How about you speculate on what could be those standards and get back to us.
    , @VinnyVette
    Mediterraneans "Southern Italians, Greeks build and or maintain lower tier first world societies"? Wasn't it Mussolini who got the trains to run on time? Italy one of the three Axis powers? Ever heard of the Roman empire or the Ancient Greeks? I suppose a Ferrari or Lamborghini is only marginally on par with the Mini Cooper, Renault LeCar and Volkswagen Beetle? Who's fighting harder to stave off the invading hordes, Italy or Germany / Great Britain? Sweden? Right!
  223. @IHTG
    I'm not sure the "hated" part is really all that important to you though. What if the culture changes by then and whites are a non-hated minority?

    “What if … whites are a non-hated minority?”

    Counterpoint:

    “At the height of the lame, doomed ‘Red Scare,’ the Brown Scare was ten times bigger. You may think it was difficult making a living as a communist screenwriter in 1954. It was a lot easier than being a fascist screenwriter. Or even an anticommunist screenwriter. (Same thing, right?) And as any pathetic last shreds of real opposition shrink and die off, the Scare only grows. That’s how winners play it. That’s just how the permanent revolution rolls.”
    – Moldbug

  224. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @VinnyVette
    No! More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is! So choosing to have large families ain't happening! No fault divirce, blowing up the marriage in five years to go "eat pray love", hop back on the cock carousel, while the man walks away losing his house, assets, rights to have even a miniscule say in how his kids are raised, and in many cases not being able to see them at all! So you can "just do it" the smart set will not!

    No! More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is! So choosing to have large families ain’t happening! No fault divirce, blowing up the marriage in five years to go “eat pray love”, hop back on the cock carousel, while the man walks away losing his house, assets, rights to have even a miniscule say in how his kids are raised

    At least he has kids, which is the greatest wealth a man can have.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    Not at today's current market value!
  225. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Jack’s back! HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    https://twitter.com/Lobotomoctopus/status/1260983498552336384

    Don’t quite know how “back” I am, but things have been crazy with this coronavirus whiplash going from nothingburger to all hands on deck to “memento mori, granny”.

    Unrelated, but I’m personally kind of shocked at how our supply chain for durable goods has had holes blown in it by ~100k people dying, mostly in nursing homes. Want anything that’s not on the shelf and you have some retail schlub shrugging their shoulders admitting they have no idea when they’re getting electronic/tools/etc back on the shelf. Amazon is a crap shoot now where you have to trust that PRESTIGE WORLDWIDE (created 3 months ago) is going to ship your item that they’ve marked up by 25%. Seems like their QA has crashed through the basement because they’re focusing all their energy on commercials involving a mystery meat with a septum piercing and neck tattoos so they can assure us that “we’re all in this together”. WalMart, those pioneers of just in time logistics, are even worst online and walking through a store you can see massive holes in the shelves.

    Our entire logistical basis in this country is held together with spun sugar and farts, and the spun sugar is melting before our eyes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Our entire logistical basis in this country is held together with spun sugar and farts, and the spun sugar is melting before our eyes.
     
    What do you mean by “farts”?
  226. @Gurney Halleck
    Do non-whites have a collective identity that is hostile to whites or something?

    Non-whites are massively being taught to hate whites, so yes they often do. People will tend to believe what they are told over and over again, unless there is some positive quality in their character of independent thinking and goodwill; cf. the waves of feminist propoganda in the last three generations. It effected a sea change in the masses of women, and many men.

    Many non-whites are absorbing the message from academia, entertainment and the media, that they should be oppositional to white culture and white people, it becomes part of their identity.

    That being said, I live in a neighborhood that is predominately Dominican and Orthodox Jewish, and my encounters with the locals when I’m out and about are mostly very pleasant.

    The powers that be hate all of us I think.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    That being said, I live in a neighborhood that is predominately Dominican and Orthodox Jewish, and my encounters with the locals when I’m out and about are mostly very pleasant.

    Washington Heights?
    , @sayless
    Yes, Washington Heights.
  227. @anon
    I often wonder why people even bother with making their phony promises anymore. Do they just want a fancy party and great pictures? Maybe a family reunion and a chance to be the stars of the show?

    Not "they". Bridezilla. It's "HER DAY".

    Anyway, outside of the devotedly religious, I see no marriages making it to the death of one spouse.

    Upper middle class and upper class are still marrying and not divorcing. Middle class is so-so. Working people have a hard time.

    You’re talking about statistics, I’m talking about what I see in real life. Those upper middle class marriages that you see working out may only be the very religious. We’re watching three divorces right now: two are UMC, one is middle class. Money is not the problem for any of them, no, it’s alcohol, adultery, and attrition. 22 years together, 20 years, and 12 years. Kids in all marriages.

    If you think all those statistical marriages will be together in 10 years, you’re dreaming.

    • Replies: @anon
    You’re talking about statistics, I’m talking about what I see in real life.

    I'm using both data sets to make an observation.

    Those upper middle class marriages that you see working out may only be the very religious.

    Doubtful, since the UMC tends to be less religious than the middle class. It's not a mystery, people with a more future-time orientation are less prone to divorce and more likely to succeed in various material ways. Yes, there are divorces in the UMC, just not as many as in the middle class.

    We’re watching three divorces right now: two are UMC, one is middle class. Money is not the problem for any of them, no, it’s alcohol, adultery, and attrition. 22 years together, 20 years, and 12 years. Kids in all marriages.

    I have my own anecdotes from observation, and nothing is a sure deal. Nothing. I know a man who married his virgin girlfriend, years later she became a rabid feminist and divorced him. I know multiple men who were active Roman Catholics, their wives divorced them and bought annulments. I knew a UMC land developer who cheated on his wife, she divorced him and he shot himself.

    A handful of cases cannot be as significant as long-term large scale observations. In the aggregate, certain trends become obvious. In other parts of the web work has been done to even quantify risk of divorce.

    f you think all those statistical marriages will be together in 10 years, you’re dreaming.

    "Some" and "all" are not synonyms. I know the probabilities for divorce, and future-time orientation is a significant factor. So is religious practice. So is " number of sexual partners a woman has had before marriage". So are some other things. People can do "all the right things" in a relationship and still have the other person blow it all up. That's not news.

    But binary thinking and emotional blackpilling are not useful.

    Birth rates dropped in the 1930's, it should be no surprise that something similar has happened in the last 15 years.

  228. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Asians and Jews are being knocked out of competition?
     
    Nope. They are both trying to take down the top competitor. And Europeans are letting them do it. No other group has the mix of intelligence, creativity, conscientiousness, cooperativeness, and physical prowess that Europeans possess.

    It was CHRISTIANITY!! It was the ability to separate church and state, to conciliate faith with reason and give birth to science, to have a universal moral code that promoted social cohesion and personal liberty. Damn. Europe will either recover Christianity or cease to be Europe!!

    The beauty, well, there I agree. But one must cultivate some modesty.

  229. Anon[179] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Novelist John Dos Passos, a freaking halfbreed! (Portuguese and English), characterized the period well–“The people of this country are too tolerant. There’s no other country in the world where they’d allow it…After all we built up this country and then we allow a lot of foreigners, the scum of Europe, the offscourings of Polish ghettos to come and run it for us.”
     
    I’d take in Poles and Germans all day. They did all the work in this country during expansion, and the didn’t operate in lowbrow gangs from Italy and Ireland which are still here today.

    Take a look at the Nobel Prize list. Quite a few Germans and Poles. Now take a look at the Irish and Italians. Not much going on there. Relatively sad. If any European country turned America shitty, those two win the prize. Think of all the money wasted for generations administrating piece of shit non-assimilating Italians and Irish.

    Imagine how much better this country would be if only Edward Kennedy was stillborn.

    Oh dear God!
    Ancient Greeks had a natural gift for abstract reasoning.
    Italians up until today, a natural gift for beauty.
    Irish, no idea but if they hold to the Catholic Faith, they will outlive you.
    Germans are organized doers.
    And so on. (The bad guys are actually the British elites, but never mind).
    The beauty of Europe is precisely that small countries flourished independently, creating specific cultures: language, literature, art, science, each with their particular twist. Not one huge oriental despot dominated the territory.
    This pitting Anglos vs Poles is the same stupid tactic of pitting men vs women. Divide and conquer. Duh.

  230. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack Henson
    Don't quite know how "back" I am, but things have been crazy with this coronavirus whiplash going from nothingburger to all hands on deck to "memento mori, granny".

    Unrelated, but I'm personally kind of shocked at how our supply chain for durable goods has had holes blown in it by ~100k people dying, mostly in nursing homes. Want anything that's not on the shelf and you have some retail schlub shrugging their shoulders admitting they have no idea when they're getting electronic/tools/etc back on the shelf. Amazon is a crap shoot now where you have to trust that PRESTIGE WORLDWIDE (created 3 months ago) is going to ship your item that they've marked up by 25%. Seems like their QA has crashed through the basement because they're focusing all their energy on commercials involving a mystery meat with a septum piercing and neck tattoos so they can assure us that "we're all in this together". WalMart, those pioneers of just in time logistics, are even worst online and walking through a store you can see massive holes in the shelves.

    Our entire logistical basis in this country is held together with spun sugar and farts, and the spun sugar is melting before our eyes.

    Our entire logistical basis in this country is held together with spun sugar and farts, and the spun sugar is melting before our eyes.

    What do you mean by “farts”?

  231. @Rahan
    I've raised this question before, and I'll raise it again:
    Are there any specific criteria by which the "hispanic whites" are worse nation-building (or at least nation-maintenance) than
    a) "Mediterranean Europeans" such as Southern Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Cypriots, and the Portugese,
    b) "Slavic-turkic" Eastern Europeans such as Montenegrans, Macedonians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Serbs, Ukrainians, South Russians, and Hungarians,
    c) "Muslim Europeans" such Turks, Albanians, Azerbajanis, Bosnians?

    Mediterranean Europeans can maintain lower tier First World levels, Eastern Europeans can maintain higher tier Second World* levels, Muslim Europeans can maintain lower tier Second World levels, and after this upper tier Third World levels start (i.e. Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Thailand, Iran).

    Either way there's no going back to the real "world leader levels", not with Anglo and Germanic demographics plummeting the way they are, and the corresponding social structures warping and collapsing at the same time, but *could* the situation be stabilized at say French levels? Spanish levels? Croatian levels? Moldovan levels?

    Or are the hispanic whites more of the Turish or even Libyan type of "white" in the sense of civilization-building and maintenance potential?

    Also, does anyone start to suspect that a generation from now at least a third of the US will be speaking in some sort of anglo-spanish-ebonic creole?

    ____
    * I prefer to use the "first-second-third world" scale in the "quality of life" and "civilizational achievement" sense, not in the original narrow "who's with whom during Cold War One" sense.

    but *could* the situation be stabilized at say French levels? Spanish levels? Croatian levels? Moldovan levels?

    Hard to say. Brazil produces cars and jets and so on, especially (but not only) if they are made in foreign owned/supervised factories, but it’s hard to say that they would have INVENTED them in the first place. Probably as long as the US produces export worthy agricultural and other products (including entertainment – blacks are very entertaining) it will be able to trade with Asia for electronics and things of that nature that we are no longer capable of producing/inventing, but most Americans (even those of Hispanic heritage) are not going to be happy having to live at non-elite Brazilian income levels.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    All assuming that the U.S. has, or is on the road to, become Brazil.
  232. anon[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @stillCARealist
    You're talking about statistics, I'm talking about what I see in real life. Those upper middle class marriages that you see working out may only be the very religious. We're watching three divorces right now: two are UMC, one is middle class. Money is not the problem for any of them, no, it's alcohol, adultery, and attrition. 22 years together, 20 years, and 12 years. Kids in all marriages.

    If you think all those statistical marriages will be together in 10 years, you're dreaming.

    You’re talking about statistics, I’m talking about what I see in real life.

    I’m using both data sets to make an observation.

    Those upper middle class marriages that you see working out may only be the very religious.

    Doubtful, since the UMC tends to be less religious than the middle class. It’s not a mystery, people with a more future-time orientation are less prone to divorce and more likely to succeed in various material ways. Yes, there are divorces in the UMC, just not as many as in the middle class.

    We’re watching three divorces right now: two are UMC, one is middle class. Money is not the problem for any of them, no, it’s alcohol, adultery, and attrition. 22 years together, 20 years, and 12 years. Kids in all marriages.

    I have my own anecdotes from observation, and nothing is a sure deal. Nothing. I know a man who married his virgin girlfriend, years later she became a rabid feminist and divorced him. I know multiple men who were active Roman Catholics, their wives divorced them and bought annulments. I knew a UMC land developer who cheated on his wife, she divorced him and he shot himself.

    A handful of cases cannot be as significant as long-term large scale observations. In the aggregate, certain trends become obvious. In other parts of the web work has been done to even quantify risk of divorce.

    f you think all those statistical marriages will be together in 10 years, you’re dreaming.

    “Some” and “all” are not synonyms. I know the probabilities for divorce, and future-time orientation is a significant factor. So is religious practice. So is ” number of sexual partners a woman has had before marriage”. So are some other things. People can do “all the right things” in a relationship and still have the other person blow it all up. That’s not news.

    But binary thinking and emotional blackpilling are not useful.

    Birth rates dropped in the 1930’s, it should be no surprise that something similar has happened in the last 15 years.

  233. @Anonymous

    No! More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is! So choosing to have large families ain’t happening! No fault divirce, blowing up the marriage in five years to go “eat pray love”, hop back on the cock carousel, while the man walks away losing his house, assets, rights to have even a miniscule say in how his kids are raised
     
    At least he has kids, which is the greatest wealth a man can have.

    Not at today’s current market value!

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Not at today’s current market value!
     
    That isn’t very persuasive. What do you mean?
  234. @Rahan
    I've raised this question before, and I'll raise it again:
    Are there any specific criteria by which the "hispanic whites" are worse nation-building (or at least nation-maintenance) than
    a) "Mediterranean Europeans" such as Southern Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Cypriots, and the Portugese,
    b) "Slavic-turkic" Eastern Europeans such as Montenegrans, Macedonians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Serbs, Ukrainians, South Russians, and Hungarians,
    c) "Muslim Europeans" such Turks, Albanians, Azerbajanis, Bosnians?

    Mediterranean Europeans can maintain lower tier First World levels, Eastern Europeans can maintain higher tier Second World* levels, Muslim Europeans can maintain lower tier Second World levels, and after this upper tier Third World levels start (i.e. Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Thailand, Iran).

    Either way there's no going back to the real "world leader levels", not with Anglo and Germanic demographics plummeting the way they are, and the corresponding social structures warping and collapsing at the same time, but *could* the situation be stabilized at say French levels? Spanish levels? Croatian levels? Moldovan levels?

    Or are the hispanic whites more of the Turish or even Libyan type of "white" in the sense of civilization-building and maintenance potential?

    Also, does anyone start to suspect that a generation from now at least a third of the US will be speaking in some sort of anglo-spanish-ebonic creole?

    ____
    * I prefer to use the "first-second-third world" scale in the "quality of life" and "civilizational achievement" sense, not in the original narrow "who's with whom during Cold War One" sense.

    “Are there any specific criteria by which the “hispanic whites” are worse nation-building (or at least nation-maintenance) than
    a) “Mediterranean Europeans” such as Southern Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Cypriots, and the Portugese,
    b) “Slavic-turkic” Eastern Europeans such as Montenegrans, Macedonians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Serbs, Ukrainians, South Russians, and Hungarians,
    c) “Muslim Europeans” such Turks, Albanians, Azerbajanis, Bosnians?”

    How about you speculate on what could be those standards and get back to us.

  235. @Jack D

    but *could* the situation be stabilized at say French levels? Spanish levels? Croatian levels? Moldovan levels?
     
    Hard to say. Brazil produces cars and jets and so on, especially (but not only) if they are made in foreign owned/supervised factories, but it's hard to say that they would have INVENTED them in the first place. Probably as long as the US produces export worthy agricultural and other products (including entertainment - blacks are very entertaining) it will be able to trade with Asia for electronics and things of that nature that we are no longer capable of producing/inventing, but most Americans (even those of Hispanic heritage) are not going to be happy having to live at non-elite Brazilian income levels.

    All assuming that the U.S. has, or is on the road to, become Brazil.

  236. @Rahan
    I've raised this question before, and I'll raise it again:
    Are there any specific criteria by which the "hispanic whites" are worse nation-building (or at least nation-maintenance) than
    a) "Mediterranean Europeans" such as Southern Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Cypriots, and the Portugese,
    b) "Slavic-turkic" Eastern Europeans such as Montenegrans, Macedonians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Moldovans, Serbs, Ukrainians, South Russians, and Hungarians,
    c) "Muslim Europeans" such Turks, Albanians, Azerbajanis, Bosnians?

    Mediterranean Europeans can maintain lower tier First World levels, Eastern Europeans can maintain higher tier Second World* levels, Muslim Europeans can maintain lower tier Second World levels, and after this upper tier Third World levels start (i.e. Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Thailand, Iran).

    Either way there's no going back to the real "world leader levels", not with Anglo and Germanic demographics plummeting the way they are, and the corresponding social structures warping and collapsing at the same time, but *could* the situation be stabilized at say French levels? Spanish levels? Croatian levels? Moldovan levels?

    Or are the hispanic whites more of the Turish or even Libyan type of "white" in the sense of civilization-building and maintenance potential?

    Also, does anyone start to suspect that a generation from now at least a third of the US will be speaking in some sort of anglo-spanish-ebonic creole?

    ____
    * I prefer to use the "first-second-third world" scale in the "quality of life" and "civilizational achievement" sense, not in the original narrow "who's with whom during Cold War One" sense.

    Mediterraneans “Southern Italians, Greeks build and or maintain lower tier first world societies”? Wasn’t it Mussolini who got the trains to run on time? Italy one of the three Axis powers? Ever heard of the Roman empire or the Ancient Greeks? I suppose a Ferrari or Lamborghini is only marginally on par with the Mini Cooper, Renault LeCar and Volkswagen Beetle? Who’s fighting harder to stave off the invading hordes, Italy or Germany / Great Britain? Sweden? Right!

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Italy wasn't a unified country until the 19th century. Things have evened out somewhat but historically you had Northern Italy which is more like France and Austria and Southern Italy which is more like its neighbor Greece. (In that sense not unlike the US where the South was more Caribbean - back in the day no car factories in the South.) Forget about ancient times. Modern prosperity is all rooted in the last century. Even leadership in the 19th century gets you very little today - capitalism requires constant refreshment or it stagnates. What happened 2,000 years ago is of little relevance.
  237. @JohnPlywood

    Then there’s the ongoing psychological demoralization of Whites which has an impact. I wonder if interracial marriage is up among White women.
     
    Lol, no. This is all in your sordid head.

    Interracial marriage is up for most groups, and higher for white men than white women.


    https://sk.sagepub.com/images/interracial-communication/9781412954587-p159-1.jpg

    Twenty year old data? Are you serious?

    Get some recent stats, lazy wanker.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    Hey dummy, did you see this chart?

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-00.png

    The data is from 2014 and onward. White men are more likely than white women to go for nonwhites.

    That's not the result you wanted though, was it? :-D
  238. @Anonymous
    All my experience working with chinese–I’ve hired them, fired them, been hired by, and worked with them–I’ve noticed a common thread amongst them. They aren’t collectively, consistently able to function under western constraints and discipline overall. They can’t seem to think holistically. They don’t seem to be able to perceive that some small dangling negative variable can sink an entire project, and take them down with it. Every time I’ve seen some project eat shit, the Chinese person involved was completely surprised. I’d never want a chinese person as my doctor, or as an engineer for... anything. I’m sure there are competent ones, but they’re on the far side of the bell curve.

    I accept that they have the highest general I.Q.'s, but they also have some kind aspergry blind spot in their approach to perceiving reality that’s generally reliable. Left on their own, I can pretty much count on them dong a ton of things well, but one thing that’s stupid which undermines whatever they do.

    It might have something to do with single-mindedness. Once they get an idea in their head, they tend to pursue it to the detriment of their own success. It’s the damndest thing, but I’ve seen it happen time and again. Probably explains why they cling to communism to this day. No country with a collective high I.Q. would still be trying to make it work.... except the Chinese.

    It’s also why I thought Clinton's big move to share complex technology with the Chinese was a big mistake. They don’t have the collective chops to handle it. The "ethnos."

    We’re gonna be sorrier than we are, even now.

    Ok, YOU try to work in a foreign country while speaking a foreign language. You wouldn’t last a minute.

  239. @Anonymous

    According to the government document, births to white women were down over 2% from 1,956,413 in 2018 to 1,914,141 in 2019.
     
    All is proceeding according to plan. It is in the rest of the world’s interest to knock the most talented group out of the competition.

    All is proceeding according to plan. It is in the rest of the world’s interest to knock the most talented group out of the competition.

    There’s no sinister conspiracy. Do you want to know why white women are having fewer babies? It’s because they’ve chosen to have fewer babies. You might disagree with their decisions but they’re making those decisions for reasons that make sense to them. Maybe it’s selfishness (which seems highly likely to be a factor). Maybe it’s self-pity (which also seems highly likely to be a factor).

    No-one is forcing white people to have fewer children. White people have agency. They can have as many children as they want. It seems that they don’t want many children at all.

    You need to stop viewing the world in terms of silly conspiracy theories.

  240. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @VinnyVette
    Not at today's current market value!

    Not at today’s current market value!

    That isn’t very persuasive. What do you mean?

  241. @Buzz Mohawk
    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    One wonders if the lockdown will lead to a baby boom nine months from now.

    My guess is that birth rates will fall even further. It’s possible people may be having more sex (although there’s zero evidence for that) but there are such things as contraception. I expect birth rates (especially white birth rates) to plummet.

    But what do I know? Maybe there are lots of couples at the moment looking at each and saying, “Now that I’ve lost my job and you’ve lost your job, and given that there could be a second wave of the virus and maybe further lockdowns which will make it almost impossible to get proper medical care if anything goes wrong with the pregnancy, wouldn’t this be a fantastic time to start a family?”

  242. @Farenheit
    This demographic slump is much worse in the developed far east. Japan, Korea, Singapore all have birthrates much lower than US whites. (Korea, TFR ~1, means 100 grandmothers have 25 granddaughters!). These societies have No immigration.

    Seems as societies get wealthier, this wealth allows many woman to pursue modes of life that don't result in many children, many times none.

    This demographic slump is much worse in the developed far east. Japan, Korea, Singapore all have birthrates much lower than US whites. (Korea, TFR ~1, means 100 grandmothers have 25 granddaughters!). These societies have No immigration.

    Yep. Which blows the whole “it’s a conspiracy to destroy the white race” theory out of the water. And it blows the “it’s all the fault of immigrants” theory out of the water as well.

    Seems as societies get wealthier, this wealth allows many woman to pursue modes of life that don’t result in many children, many times none.

    Agreed. But I suspect that both men and women are wanting fewer children. In a wealthy society people (especially women but men as well) see other options to give their lives meaning other than having children. They might be wrong about his, they might be making a big mistake, but that seems to be the way people think in any wealthy advanced nation (regardless of race).

  243. @anon
    Every day people on this blog lament and gnash your teeth at your impending defeat. You say "If only!" and "We're doomed !" and "Separate!".
    Our founding father's went to war to get what they wanted. They were not afraid of war. George Washington started two wars (French and Indan, and Revolution). They were strong and aggressive men.
    Polk invaded Mexico to get what he wanted, and I'm glad he did. Without that conquest there would be no Houston space center, no Beach Boys, no gunfight at the OK corral.
    You are going to lose, have already lost, the political fight and you know it. You have lost the money fight and you know it.
    You are not going to keep your country without a civil war, a Reconquista. At our founding we had firebrands like Patrick Henry arguing for war. Why doesn't anyone on this blog argue FOR war?

    Why doesn’t anyone on this blog argue FOR war?

    I’m assuming you’re either insane or a Fed.

    • Agree: Neoconned
    • Replies: @anon
    I’m assuming you’re either insane or a Fed.

    Embrace the power of "and".
  244. @VinnyVette
    Mediterraneans "Southern Italians, Greeks build and or maintain lower tier first world societies"? Wasn't it Mussolini who got the trains to run on time? Italy one of the three Axis powers? Ever heard of the Roman empire or the Ancient Greeks? I suppose a Ferrari or Lamborghini is only marginally on par with the Mini Cooper, Renault LeCar and Volkswagen Beetle? Who's fighting harder to stave off the invading hordes, Italy or Germany / Great Britain? Sweden? Right!

    Italy wasn’t a unified country until the 19th century. Things have evened out somewhat but historically you had Northern Italy which is more like France and Austria and Southern Italy which is more like its neighbor Greece. (In that sense not unlike the US where the South was more Caribbean – back in the day no car factories in the South.) Forget about ancient times. Modern prosperity is all rooted in the last century. Even leadership in the 19th century gets you very little today – capitalism requires constant refreshment or it stagnates. What happened 2,000 years ago is of little relevance.

    • Replies: @Anonymous

    capitalism requires constant refreshment or it stagnates.
     
    Your reasoning, please.
  245. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    capitalism requires constant refreshment or it stagnates.

    Your reasoning, please.

  246. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    Italy wasn't a unified country until the 19th century. Things have evened out somewhat but historically you had Northern Italy which is more like France and Austria and Southern Italy which is more like its neighbor Greece. (In that sense not unlike the US where the South was more Caribbean - back in the day no car factories in the South.) Forget about ancient times. Modern prosperity is all rooted in the last century. Even leadership in the 19th century gets you very little today - capitalism requires constant refreshment or it stagnates. What happened 2,000 years ago is of little relevance.

    capitalism requires constant refreshment or it stagnates.

    Your reasoning, please.

  247. @Redneck farmer
    Nobody is going to point out that the "cool wine aunt" drinks so much is because she can't have children.

    In my case it was the opposite. My mother was the cool wine mom and my aunt who couldn’t have children was much more straight laced and conservative. The way my Aunt dealt with having no kids was to treat her dogs like children, to an extreme degree.

  248. @JohnPlywood
    Pew research data including Hispanics:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-00.png


    Majority of interracial in America is white male + Asian/Hispanic/Hapa female. Because these women look better than white women + white man is what women want.

    I am in a Northwestern city that is at least 50% Hispanic. A couple of observations. The Hispanic women are far prettier than the white women here. This is mostly because the white women here are the least attractive I have ever seen. Maybe it’s because I am not a native to this region but I appear to be the only white male that even notices this. The white men of the NW are perfectly fine with the ugly looking, masculine white women. They don’t even check out the Latinas much less date them.

    The Hispanic women are aware of how bad the white women look here and from what I understand sometimes call them “lesbian” in Spanish as they pass them by. They have a point. Some of these women do totally look like lesbians and then I am surprised to see they are straight and have a husband.

    I see more Hispanic male/white women couples than the other way around and the white women they pick are the absolute bottom of the barrel in looks and they are rough as hell. I don’t understand why these Hispanic guys didn’t want one of their own kind who mostly look like beauty queens in comparison. Not sure if there are any green card motives going on with those couples.

    • Replies: @Malcolm X-Lax
    I tend to agree. Attractive Hispanic women (not mestizo) who aren’t obese are frequently stunning, with beautiful facial features, nice breasts and bodies. And very feminine and pleasing to boot!
  249. @VinnyVette
    No! More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is! So choosing to have large families ain't happening! No fault divirce, blowing up the marriage in five years to go "eat pray love", hop back on the cock carousel, while the man walks away losing his house, assets, rights to have even a miniscule say in how his kids are raised, and in many cases not being able to see them at all! So you can "just do it" the smart set will not!

    More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is

    Some marriages are terrible. And it’s miserable to be stuck in those. Sometimes it’s the woman’s fault, other times it’s the man’s fault. I know a married couple where the husband doesn’t work and is a horrible person and the wife has the career and won’t leave him because they have two kids together.

    Some marriages are great. I’m a happily married white man, happily married to a black woman. My kids give me immense source of happiness.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    This is just anecdotal but I've found when.white guys do marry black women it truly honestly is "true love".....
  250. @dfordoom

    Why doesn’t anyone on this blog argue FOR war?
     
    I'm assuming you're either insane or a Fed.

    I’m assuming you’re either insane or a Fed.

    Embrace the power of “and”.

  251. @Slimer

    That’s why to white, latino and Asian men….when their women go black they “can’t go back”…..
     
    Lmao. Generally, non-white men know that they have low SMV and thus can't be too picky. Few Asians or Latinos would reject Sofia Vergara because she's dated black men. White men, on the other hand, would call her a fat bitch and a coal burner.

    Granted all non-black people hate blacks, white men are the only ones who constantly compare themselves to black men.

    I’m not so sure about non white men having low SMV….maybe in some place like Seattle or Boston but not New Orleans…..white and Asian and Latina women….and I mean HOT ONES that could command a millionaire’s wife status throw their looks away like trash and date these losers. And I’m not talking some black dude actor zillionaire or supermodel or what not….my relative LIVES WITH this weird black thug guy.

    He’s a welder or some such but is trying to get into the Hollywood game. I think he’s trying to be an actor or something.

    Back home he’d be the equivalent of Darius Rucker….in California hes hip and cool. He was spouting some weird new age crap to me the other week when I hung out with him and my relative. Crystal power or some such. Hes been hanging out w weird California white ppl….but back here at least the under 30 girls are crazy for black dudes and are unapologetic coalburners.

  252. @Massimo Heitor

    More and more white men are being red pilled and seeing marraige as the life long debt enslavement trap that it is
     
    Some marriages are terrible. And it's miserable to be stuck in those. Sometimes it's the woman's fault, other times it's the man's fault. I know a married couple where the husband doesn't work and is a horrible person and the wife has the career and won't leave him because they have two kids together.

    Some marriages are great. I'm a happily married white man, happily married to a black woman. My kids give me immense source of happiness.

    This is just anecdotal but I’ve found when.white guys do marry black women it truly honestly is “true love”…..

  253. @Justvisiting
    She found her "exciting" alpha.

    He will bail out soon enough (or get caught doing something that means jail time), and she will join the ranks of the alpha widow army.

    Some alpha widows eventually find beta husbands (and may have a child or two), and some put on a ton of weight and dream of the former glory days, and create a household full of cats or small dogs.

    Seventy years ago she would have married her local beta teen boyfriend, raised several high IQ kids, and been very happy about life.

    Welcome to the Brave New World.

    I’ve cut ties for the most part w her. Social ostracism seems to be the only language these gross attention whores seem to follow….

    I don’t necessarily oppose interracial marriage…..it should be allowed BUT white trash coalburnees who do this crap should be forced to be banned from the welfare system. Or say set up a race based quota taxation system.

    If she wants kids with a black absentee dad then set up a welfare fund from black taxpayers and take her welfare expenditures out of that pot instead of having “everyone pay for it.”

    That way she’ll be destitute and it’ll send a strong message to potential coal burners….have a kid no one will care for and end up.w a horrible life.

  254. @Old and Grumpy
    So doesn't that make Slimer right, its still white men's fault? Plus Hispanics are a mythical race. Quite a few are ...ahem... white Europeans.

    Didn’t I read somewhere that Hispanics identify as white after a couple generations.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    From my observations it happens with younger Hispanics who grew up here and only speak English. They relate more to whites than Spanish speaking new immigrants. They get in encounters where Spanish dominant Hispanics get angry with them for not knowing Spanish, this makes them self hating to a degree. I know a few Hispanics like this who voted for Trump and loved the idea of the wall.
  255. @Foreign Expert
    Didn’t I read somewhere that Hispanics identify as white after a couple generations.

    From my observations it happens with younger Hispanics who grew up here and only speak English. They relate more to whites than Spanish speaking new immigrants. They get in encounters where Spanish dominant Hispanics get angry with them for not knowing Spanish, this makes them self hating to a degree. I know a few Hispanics like this who voted for Trump and loved the idea of the wall.

  256. @sayless
    Non-whites are massively being taught to hate whites, so yes they often do. People will tend to believe what they are told over and over again, unless there is some positive quality in their character of independent thinking and goodwill; cf. the waves of feminist propoganda in the last three generations. It effected a sea change in the masses of women, and many men.

    Many non-whites are absorbing the message from academia, entertainment and the media, that they should be oppositional to white culture and white people, it becomes part of their identity.

    That being said, I live in a neighborhood that is predominately Dominican and Orthodox Jewish, and my encounters with the locals when I'm out and about are mostly very pleasant.

    The powers that be hate all of us I think.

    That being said, I live in a neighborhood that is predominately Dominican and Orthodox Jewish, and my encounters with the locals when I’m out and about are mostly very pleasant.

    Washington Heights?

  257. @AnotherDad


    All is not lost, *if*–if, a huge if and only if–immigration can be stopped. If it is not, it’s over. America will be gone. We’ll be headed toward our own kludgy version of Brazil.
     
    I’d reverse this: if we have few kids, and dwindle away, there is no coming back.
     
    The issue is reversibility.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible. Sure you can have war, partition, genocide, death camps, etc. But that's a pretty undesirable process. Basically once they are in--they are in and you're stuck with them. Think "legacy of slavery".

    In contrast, fertility is reversible. If we run at this 1.65 US whites have now, for a generation, the next generation would be 80% the size of the previous. But you could completely recover that by having fertility that was 25% greater than replacement in the next generation. (That's quite a snap back, but fertility does jump around considerably.)

    And honestly, in the absence of immigration--a mono-ethnic state--you don't necessarily need to recover it. Japan has very low fertility and in absolute population decline. But that means every year jobs readily available, wages are solid and housing gets cheaper. As conditions for family formation improve, and non/low breeders weeded from the gene pool, Japan's fertility will bounce back. They'll have a less populated nation ... but still have a nation! Still be Japanese.

    2 million whites born each year is enough for a stable white nation of 160m people. That's about the white population in 1960--hardly extinction. The problem is not their numbers, but that white Americans no longer reside in their own nation.

    The issue is that immigration is basically non-reversible… In contrast, fertility is reversible.

    Sure. I agree with what you are saying.

    I think the reality is that white people won’t be allowed to keep white nations exclusively white. I think many white people who cherish their white identity, they recognize their identity is being undermined and destroyed, they don’t like it, it’s horrible.

    I’m sympathetic. I’d stress I’m sympathetic with people that want to love themselves and preserve or even grow their identity and have some say in passing on their legacy to future generations. Those are normal human desires, and I’d like all people, particularly white people to have honest, genuine, constructive outlets for them.

  258. @Jay Fink
    I am in a Northwestern city that is at least 50% Hispanic. A couple of observations. The Hispanic women are far prettier than the white women here. This is mostly because the white women here are the least attractive I have ever seen. Maybe it's because I am not a native to this region but I appear to be the only white male that even notices this. The white men of the NW are perfectly fine with the ugly looking, masculine white women. They don't even check out the Latinas much less date them.

    The Hispanic women are aware of how bad the white women look here and from what I understand sometimes call them "lesbian" in Spanish as they pass them by. They have a point. Some of these women do totally look like lesbians and then I am surprised to see they are straight and have a husband.

    I see more Hispanic male/white women couples than the other way around and the white women they pick are the absolute bottom of the barrel in looks and they are rough as hell. I don't understand why these Hispanic guys didn't want one of their own kind who mostly look like beauty queens in comparison. Not sure if there are any green card motives going on with those couples.

    I tend to agree. Attractive Hispanic women (not mestizo) who aren’t obese are frequently stunning, with beautiful facial features, nice breasts and bodies. And very feminine and pleasing to boot!

  259. I think the reality is that white people won’t be allowed to keep white nations exclusively white.

    The further reality is that white people won’t be allowed to keep white countries even partly white. As the white population dwindles, whites who marry whites will be presented as having made a deliberately racist decision. The pressure to miscegenate will be become ever greater. This genocide does not have an “off” switch.

  260. @SunBakedSuburb
    "Men are the attractive gender of white people."

    Gonna have to disagree with you, Bigdick. Sure, there are loads of good-looking white men like me and Roger Moore, but white women, from Nordic to Alpine to Mediterranean, are the pinnacle of human physical beauty. White women can be quite exquisite in so many ways. Unfortunately, an outbreak of mental illness is currently reaching epidemic proportions within the white women demographic: doggy-wuv aka dog-mom.

    You can’t find a single study to support the claim that white women look better than East Asian or mixed-Asian women, but I have plenty to say that look worse. White women are gargoylic.

  261. @Anon
    Twenty year old data? Are you serious?

    Get some recent stats, lazy wanker.

    Hey dummy, did you see this chart?

    The data is from 2014 and onward. White men are more likely than white women to go for nonwhites.

    That’s not the result you wanted though, was it? 😀

    • Replies: @Anon
    No, I wasn't really disputing the conclusion. White men are slightly more likely than white women to marry out, but not by that much; I've always known it. I don't see why anyone would make a big deal out of it.

    It is probably counterbalanced by out-of-wedlock births of white women to black men (since stats such as the ones you pictured indicate white men go for black women about 1/2 as often as the opposite). Basically, white women take up as much or more other races when you take into account all forms of reproduction (aside from making babies within a marriage).


    I was simply upset that you would use 20 year-old stats, when the phenomenon of interracial marriage has changed A LOT since 2000.

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/intermarriage-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

  262. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood
    Hey dummy, did you see this chart?

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2017/05/PST_2017.05.15.intermarriage-01-00.png

    The data is from 2014 and onward. White men are more likely than white women to go for nonwhites.

    That's not the result you wanted though, was it? :-D

    No, I wasn’t really disputing the conclusion. White men are slightly more likely than white women to marry out, but not by that much; I’ve always known it. I don’t see why anyone would make a big deal out of it.

    It is probably counterbalanced by out-of-wedlock births of white women to black men (since stats such as the ones you pictured indicate white men go for black women about 1/2 as often as the opposite). Basically, white women take up as much or more other races when you take into account all forms of reproduction (aside from making babies within a marriage).

    I was simply upset that you would use 20 year-old stats, when the phenomenon of interracial marriage has changed A LOT since 2000.

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/intermarriage-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    White men are way more likely to do interracial than white women.

    1.) The white population is 52% female
    2.) The Hispanic population is over 52% male

    That's it. White women with black men is a tiny fraction of interracial. Miniscule. It's less than 10% of interracial. There are way more hispanic and Asian women birthing children to white men than out of wedlock births to white women by black fathers. This idea floating around here that the miniscule number of white women birthing children to black fathers is in any way compensating for white men's predispostion to choose Mongoloid women, is absurd. Whute women are repulsed by nonwhite men and white men prefer nonwhite women.

  263. @Anon
    No, I wasn't really disputing the conclusion. White men are slightly more likely than white women to marry out, but not by that much; I've always known it. I don't see why anyone would make a big deal out of it.

    It is probably counterbalanced by out-of-wedlock births of white women to black men (since stats such as the ones you pictured indicate white men go for black women about 1/2 as often as the opposite). Basically, white women take up as much or more other races when you take into account all forms of reproduction (aside from making babies within a marriage).


    I was simply upset that you would use 20 year-old stats, when the phenomenon of interracial marriage has changed A LOT since 2000.

    https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/18/intermarriage-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

    White men are way more likely to do interracial than white women.

    1.) The white population is 52% female
    2.) The Hispanic population is over 52% male

    That’s it. White women with black men is a tiny fraction of interracial. Miniscule. It’s less than 10% of interracial. There are way more hispanic and Asian women birthing children to white men than out of wedlock births to white women by black fathers. This idea floating around here that the miniscule number of white women birthing children to black fathers is in any way compensating for white men’s predispostion to choose Mongoloid women, is absurd. Whute women are repulsed by nonwhite men and white men prefer nonwhite women.

  264. all races in the USA are below replacement rate , asian women have the lowest fertility rate among all groups, even hispanic tfr is just 1.9 .

  265. @Kratoklastes
    Oh... one other thing...

    What proportion of white babies born to these 'degreed' women, are also born to white fathers?

    What I'm getting at here, is that the sort of dimbulb Becky who gets a student loan to pay tuition plus living expenses at a party school to study a hobby... is more likely to have a 'vibrant' and 'diverse' viewpoint about reproduction.

    I don't think you would intuitively say the same thing about rural white women, who are far more likely to keep it in the 'family' (i.e., other white folks - not necessarily only kin).

    They make up most married mothers. Their husbands pay their debts. College education is how you get to have access to a husband who makes enough to allow you to have a 50% non-full time work rate and children besides.

  266. @sayless
    Non-whites are massively being taught to hate whites, so yes they often do. People will tend to believe what they are told over and over again, unless there is some positive quality in their character of independent thinking and goodwill; cf. the waves of feminist propoganda in the last three generations. It effected a sea change in the masses of women, and many men.

    Many non-whites are absorbing the message from academia, entertainment and the media, that they should be oppositional to white culture and white people, it becomes part of their identity.

    That being said, I live in a neighborhood that is predominately Dominican and Orthodox Jewish, and my encounters with the locals when I'm out and about are mostly very pleasant.

    The powers that be hate all of us I think.

    Yes, Washington Heights.

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