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From Think Progress:

What UVA Gang Rape Truthers Are Missing About The Reality Of Campus Sexual Assaults

BY TARA CULP-RESSLER POSTED ON DECEMBER 4, 2014 AT 4:24 PM

It’s been two weeks since Rolling Stone published an investigation into the University of Virginia administration’s failure to adequately respond to allegations of a gang rape at a frat house, and the backlash to the story is intensifying. Much of that criticism is stemming from doubts that college men are capable of carrying out a premeditated assault on that scale — an assumption that ignores the ugly truth about the nature of these crimes.

Outlets ranging from the New Republic to Slate to Fox News have suggested the Rolling Stone reporter failed to do her due diligence because she presented Jackie’s story as fact, and didn’t let the accused men tell their side of the story….

Other critics are taking it a step further, claiming that the central figure in the Rolling Stone piece, a young woman identified only by Jackie — which is her real first name — may have fabricated the horrific details about her gang rape. This argument is supported only by their assumption that gang rapes like the one that Jackie describes don’t happen on college campuses.

One of the first arguments along these lines appeared on the personal blog of the author and magazine editor Richard Bradley, who concludes that he’s “not convinced that this gang rape actually happened” because “something about this story doesn’t feel right.” …

But the fact that Jackie says she was assaulted by multiple men isn’t necessarily unique. Gang rapes happen on college campuses, and they especially happen within fraternities; in fact, a widely acclaimed 1990 book entitled Fraternity Gang Rape: Sex, Brotherhood, and Privilege on Campus detailed the trend….

It’s not hard to find additional evidence. Right after Rolling Stone published its UVA investigation, the Washington Post reported that Jackie’s story “bears a striking similarity to other stories of fraternity gang rape,” based on the academic research in the field. There are plenty of headlines along these lines, too — gang rapes reported at a Johns Hopkins frat party, in a William Paterson University dorm, in a Vanderbilt University dorm.

Let’s take a look at the pictures of the accused gang rapists in these three cases brought up by Think Progress that aren’t getting anywhere near the publicity of the U. of Virginia tale.

Johns Hopkins:

From ABC7.com:

Haggins and Turner are not members of the fraternity, nor are they students at Johns Hopkins, university spokesman Dennis O’Shea said.

William Paterson University:

 

Vanderbilt University:

But for some reason, these three cases aren’t getting ten percent of the publicity of the Virginia case (although the police don’t yet seem to be treating it as a case). I wonder why …

 
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  1. it must be the lack of blond hair

  2. “overwhelmingly blond”

  3. Clearly what these dudes have in common is exposure to tropes in video games.

  4. That sounds like “Think Progress” all right. they’re too stupid to notice that the other examples of gang rape they mention are different in ways which undermine “Jackies’ story. Somehow these other women all managed to promptly go to the police and report the crime, something “Jackie” still refuses to do two years after the alleged rape.

  5. Hmm… yeah, I can’t figure that out either…

  6. It is beyond belief how the Left continually rants about rape and sexual assault and essentially ignores cases right before their collective noses like Rotherham and these three examples you have just listed.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @iSteveFan


    It is beyond belief how the Left continually rants about rape and sexual assault and essentially ignores cases right before their collective noses like Rotherham and these three examples you have just listed.
     
    Yeah, it's like everything else: workers, the poor, Blacks. Every cause the Left overtly champions is merely a means to a covert end. Leftist power.
  7. (Insert non-NW-European) racial group in the USA 0-to-500+ years ago were discriminated against, so shut up, heterosexual white men!

    Alas, blissing all over this thread wasn’t as satisfying as I thought it might be.

  8. Is “Jackie” black?

    Do the black fraternities at UVa have houses?

    Because if both are true, the story becomes a little more credible.

    • Replies: @ziel
    @Anthony

    The lifeguard bit makes that angle a bit less likely.

    , @Anonymous
    @Anthony

    The alleged UVA fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi, is a white frat.

  9. “student athletes”

  10. Elsewhere on the web (I forget where) someone noted that they have learnt that Atticus Finch was the bad guy in To Kill a Mockingbird because he doubted a rape accusation.

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Harold


    Elsewhere on the web (I forget where) someone noted that they have learnt that Atticus Finch was the bad guy in To Kill a Mockingbird because he doubted a rape accusation.
     
    Don't have time to post the links, but I read about the non-fictional inspiration behind TKAMB a couple of years ago.

    In real life Harper Lee's father, the inspiration for Atticus Finch, was an ex defence attorney turn small town publisher/journalist. As a journalist Amasa Coleman Lee campaigned against the death penalty for a rape involving a mentally impaired black ex con and an mentally disturbed white woman. Lee argued that while grounds for sexual assault were warranted, there were also conflicting circumstances and evidence that made the case for the death penalty way too severe.

    Mr Lee's arguments won the day, and I do not believe their was serious threats of lynching in this matter.

    So much of TKAMB is gross fiction tailored to the expectations of Upper Manhattan literary set of the late fifites on how evil white southerners were persecuting blacks. The real Amasa Coleman Lee was much more a race realist and hardly the liberal saint portrayed in the book or certainly the film.

    But you raise some interesting points of how the fictional or "real" TKAMB would be viewed by today's SJWs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasa_Coleman_Lee

    Replies: @David In TN, @Emblematic

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Harold

    This comment does make me wonder. Was the state of Alabama wrong in issuing pardons, in 2013, to the Scottsboro Boys? After all, Alabama must be questioning the word of a rape victim. Is Ken Burns pro rape for his support of the Central Park Wilding Rapists?

  11. It has probably been mentioned numerous times already, but I think a significant difficulty in identifying a rape culture is identifying rape itself. Typically a rape is not obvious for other than two or a very few people. Given the native uncertainty in identification, to eliminate rape would require reducing the probability of Type II errors to zero. The consequence would be an increase in Type I errors, or false convictions. In my opinion, this is significant.

  12. If the rape doesn’t involve a white perpetrator the rape is irrelevant according to progressive thought. It’s just like black on black murders – a non news item.

    The narrative must of the prestige press maintained at all costs – it’s the fault of the white man.

    Stay on message.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @rod1963

    Something funny related to this. Whites protesting unfair treatment of blacks by law enforcement knocked by blacks for flaunting their white privilege: https://twitter.com/thisisfusion/status/540673223936200704

  13. @rod1963
    If the rape doesn't involve a white perpetrator the rape is irrelevant according to progressive thought. It's just like black on black murders - a non news item.

    The narrative must of the prestige press maintained at all costs - it's the fault of the white man.

    Stay on message.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Something funny related to this. Whites protesting unfair treatment of blacks by law enforcement knocked by blacks for flaunting their white privilege: https://twitter.com/thisisfusion/status/540673223936200704

  14. I don’t mean to flatter, but does anyone cut down liberal b.s. with a single swing of the ax better than Steve Sailer?

  15. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    She can identify 3 cases – and I’m CERTAIN she looked far and wide, and this is supposed to be some sort of national crisis?…it seems like these privileged, blonde frat boys are on a rampage.

    What is going in our culture? Are these women insane? What the hell is happening?

    Rape is bad, we know this. We always have. Why this sudden obsession with blonde frat boy rape? The real problem is obviously in Rotherham – in certain black subcultures, everybody knows this don’t they?

    • Replies: @josh
    @Anonymous

    "What is going in our culture? Are these women insane? What the hell is happening?"



    Since this particular case is not about wild speculations, I'll throw one out there.

    I'm going to go ahead and guess that Jackie has a step-dad (or Mom's boyfriend) who touched her.

    , @Frau Katze
    @Anonymous

    I've noticed that white guys rarely do gang rape. They tend to be loners...sometimes very vicious ones, often progressing to murder in later cases.

    Just an observation from reading a lot of true crime.

  16. The token White guy among the Vanderbilt rapists is obviously a Wigger.

  17. ot – chris rock notices that there aren’t many mexicans working in hollywood (except maybe for mopping floors). (he also has a lot to say about blacks in hollywood.):

    Chris Rock Pens Blistering Essay on Hollywood’s Race Problem: “It’s a White Industry”

    • Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
    @hbd chick


    You're telling me no Mexicans are qualified to do anything at a studio? Really? Nothing but mop up? What are the odds that that's true? The odds are, because people are people, that there's probably a Mexican David Geffen mopping up for somebody's company right now. The odds are that there's probably a Mexican who's that smart who's never going to be given a shot.
     
    Woooooow!!!!!

    HBD Chick, looks like Steve is going to have plenty to write about this month.

    PBS's "American Masters" did a 2 hour butt kissing of David Geffen. Even then it really could barely hide that the very jewish and very gay Geffen used a bit more than just chutzpah, wink wink nudge nudge, to work his way out of the William Morris Agency's mail room.

    Now the King/"Queen" of Hollywood's Gay+Jewish Mafia, Geffen is notorious for rumours of demanding sexual favours from wannabe assistants, actors, directors, agents, producers etc.... I believe that in "The Dictator" Sacha Baron Cohen was spoofing Geffen's alleged "Polaroid" collection.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/2305433189/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Geffen

    I have to admit I am having a hard time imagining a "Mexican" David Geffen, a predatory gay Jewish Mexican with a plastic covered leather casting couch, who cleans his own post orgy pool/hot tub.
  18. Houston, Houston, we have a Narrative problem…

  19. Don’t be fooled by the statistics. Race is only skin-deep. Just ask this PhD in genetics:

    The nicest irony is that genetics – the field he [Francis Galton, “another racist”] founded and Watson transformed – is precisely the subject that has singularly demonstrated that race as a scientific concept holds no water. — “He may have unravelled DNA, but James Watson deserves to be shunned”, Adam Rutherford, The Guardian, 1 December 2014.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Tregon

    Race "holds water" when the left wants it to.

  20. @Anonymous
    She can identify 3 cases - and I'm CERTAIN she looked far and wide, and this is supposed to be some sort of national crisis?...it seems like these privileged, blonde frat boys are on a rampage.

    What is going in our culture? Are these women insane? What the hell is happening?

    Rape is bad, we know this. We always have. Why this sudden obsession with blonde frat boy rape? The real problem is obviously in Rotherham - in certain black subcultures, everybody knows this don't they?

    Replies: @josh, @Frau Katze

    “What is going in our culture? Are these women insane? What the hell is happening?”

    Since this particular case is not about wild speculations, I’ll throw one out there.

    I’m going to go ahead and guess that Jackie has a step-dad (or Mom’s boyfriend) who touched her.

  21. The Leftist media is desperate for white heterosexual male misbehavior. That a significant number of these white males actively participate in this hysteria is what’s mind boggling to me.

  22. Those other cases aren’t getting publicity because they were hoaxes. My time at college taught me two things: 1. There are no false rape accusations, and 2. Black men are falsely accused of rape all the time. It’s right here in my 20th century history textbook titled “To Kill a Mockingbird”.

  23. A minor point, but why would anyone write “criticism is stemming from doubts ” when she could write “criticism stems from doubts”? Never mind the choice of verb, why the odd choice of tense?

    Anyway, I’m still enjoying the name “TARA CULP-RESSLER”: Wodehouse should have used it.

  24. I’d like to see a picture of “Jackie”. Could she be a fat, ugly broad who can only fantasize about lots of men “wanting” her? Rape is serious and should not be trivialized by attention whores craving someone to look at me. Oh, and the other examples provided looked like they could be Barkie’s sons, if he had any.

    • Replies: @tbraton
    @front toward enemy

    Another commentor on another blog claims that he tracked down "Jackie" and found her picture. Apparently, she is very attractive, which undercuts her claim that she was mystified by "Drew's" attention to her at the pool where they both worked since the other female lifeguards working there were very attractive. Go figure.

  25. In college, we had an African-American gentleman come talk to us about respecting women and not committing sex crimes. As an example of not respecting women, he talked about how one time he and his homies ran a train on a retarded girl. Overall it was pretty obvious that this guy’s background/socialization/culture was so far removed from what any of us had experienced as to be surreal. Of course, if you can manage to pin this behavior on the fact that he’s a man rather than that he lives in an environment in which families don’t exist (and which by the way happens to be about 100% black), the conclusions you can draw about how to deal with his behavior are much more politically acceptable. And I mean, it’s not exactly *untrue* that he’s male.

  26. Why this sudden obsession with blonde frat boy rape?

    Well, if there is a problem with out-of-control, unaccountable “student-athletes,” and if those student-athletes are disproportionally black, and if any criticism of black behavior is politically incorrect with severe enough consequences for the incorrect, then overbroad responses to the problem would seem a natural consequence.

    The underlying buyer’s remorse driving the whole bus may be with the reigning norm that all young women must be sent to college.

  27. @Harold
    Elsewhere on the web (I forget where) someone noted that they have learnt that Atticus Finch was the bad guy in To Kill a Mockingbird because he doubted a rape accusation.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @Chris Mallory

    Elsewhere on the web (I forget where) someone noted that they have learnt that Atticus Finch was the bad guy in To Kill a Mockingbird because he doubted a rape accusation.

    Don’t have time to post the links, but I read about the non-fictional inspiration behind TKAMB a couple of years ago.

    In real life Harper Lee’s father, the inspiration for Atticus Finch, was an ex defence attorney turn small town publisher/journalist. As a journalist Amasa Coleman Lee campaigned against the death penalty for a rape involving a mentally impaired black ex con and an mentally disturbed white woman. Lee argued that while grounds for sexual assault were warranted, there were also conflicting circumstances and evidence that made the case for the death penalty way too severe.

    Mr Lee’s arguments won the day, and I do not believe their was serious threats of lynching in this matter.

    So much of TKAMB is gross fiction tailored to the expectations of Upper Manhattan literary set of the late fifites on how evil white southerners were persecuting blacks. The real Amasa Coleman Lee was much more a race realist and hardly the liberal saint portrayed in the book or certainly the film.

    But you raise some interesting points of how the fictional or “real” TKAMB would be viewed by today’s SJWs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasa_Coleman_Lee

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    My liberal friends and acquaintances think TKAMB is a True Story. When you tell them Atticus Finch is a fictional character and it didn't happen in real life, they are dumbstruck.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @Emblematic
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    Here's an article about the real life inspiration for To Kill a Mockingbird:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/09/yall-can-kill-that-mockingbird-now/

  28. I’m kind of stating the obvious here – to believers in The Narrative the UVA rape case, Michael Brown et al are merely examples of daily (hourly?) mass rape by white men, the massacre of innocent black youth. The tip of a vast iceberg otherwise hidden by the racist white patriarchy.

    Those black gang rapists? Just outliers, they are aren’t the tip of any iceberg, they are the whole iceberg, not indicative of anything else at all.

  29. Parents, if you have daughters do not let them go to university. Keep them at home. The risks are just too great. Rape is at epidemic levels there. The odds are worse than that of playing Russian roulette. In Russian roulette a bullet is inserted into a six-shooter, the barrel is spun and the gun is put to one’s temple and the trigger is pulled. That’s a one in six chance. At university it’s a one in four chance they’ll be raped. Let them sell their exorbitant student loans to someone else. A person’r first duty is to keep their family members safe. It’s a good thing the facts are coming out now.

  30. I love the compulsion to call it a “trend.” Well, she does adduce three instances… Maybe she can write it up for the NYT’s Sunday Styles section!

  31. Do whites even commit gang rape? I’ve heard of two perpetrators and a single victim (see the Ched Evans case), but full-on gang rape seems to be almost exclusively a black and mid-east/south Asian thing. Indians seem to be doing it in India, and Pakistanis most definitely do it at home and in the parts of England they’ve colonised. There was a report a few years ago that claimed, entirely believably, that essentially all gang rapes in London are committed by blacks. It even got a small amount of coverage in the MSM, surprisingly. Any examples of a genuine white gang rape? I suppose there must be some, but I’ve genuinely never heard of one.

    I think gang rape requires a combination of shamelessness and stupidity that paleys largely don’t possess. That, and it seems to be a weapon of ethnic war (whether declared or not) in a way that single perpetrator rape isn’t (generally). To humiliate a victim in this specific way requires her/him to be from a different group. To do it to one of your own must seem egregious to all but the most depraved.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @doug


    Do whites even commit gang rape?
     
    I'm amazed at how cavalierly some of you dismiss this fact.
    , @Art Deco
    @doug

    Any examples of a genuine white gang rape? I suppose there must be some, but I’ve genuinely never heard of one.

    New Bedford, Mass., ca. 1983, on the pool table of a bar.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @David In TN

  32. http://news.yahoo.com/top-u-justice-official-promises-probe-nyc-police-005344795.html

    This is quite smart. By appropriating protesting from blacks, white folks define and limit the nature of the protest. Black rage joins ranks with the milder form of white lib outrage than goes ballistic on its own.
    Preempt the explosion of black rage with white ‘understanding’.

    ———–

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/reports-obama-mulling-sanctions-on-israel/

    Riiiiiiiight!

  33. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"] says:

    http://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/five-charts-that-show-why-a-post-white-america-is-already-here/

    Terrible news but with silver lining.

    If whites are having fewer kids, it means urban white libs are esp having fewer kids.
    As white/Jewish folks have dominated the nation, the decline of white/Jewish lib birth gives white cons a chance to define white identity and future by having more kids.

    Even if whites are down to under 50%, if whites of the future are overwhelmingly born and raised as cons, then white politics/power will be shaped and determined by con views.

    So, white cons have a golden opportunity to define the future of whiteness. As lib whites have no kids, white cons should have more kids.

    Even if whites become minority, they will still dominate society because blacks and browns don’t have the brain power.
    Also, as the graph show, the rise in mixed race marriages will devour the asian race. Asian women will have kids with white men and asian boys will grow old alone playing video games. Thus, the yellow threat becomes moot. Besides, yellows have the submissive genes.

    • Replies: @BigGaySteve
    @Priss Factor

    But the religious conservative Jews in Israel are smart enough not to let the Soros Jews near their kids. Common Core preaches equalism and white privilege

  34. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    White female midshipman at the US Naval Academy raped by three (?) black football players admitted to the USNA purely for their skill on the playing field.

    Steve covered it a while ago.

    No one would have talked about that either, except that it proved the US military hates women.

  35. This is a to link to a pdf copy of a book about propaganda:

    Propaganda by Jacques Ellul
    http://nagasawafamily.org/jacques-ellul-propaganda.pdf

    It was reviewed on M0ldbug, Unqualified Reservations
    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/jacques-ellul-on-demand-for-propaganda.html

    I am in the course of reading the book now and have really only gotten into the preface. It is not particularly easy to read. Ellul lived in Vichy France so I assume the original was written in French. So the translation is probably a little rougher than if the original was written in English.

    I assume the value in reading the book is that an individual, particularly the active individuals in our little renegade output of the internet, that are educated about what specifically are the techniques and action of propagandists can use the info to point it out as such.

    The question that arises to me in all of this reporting about UVa now is “Where does the propaganda stop and the clickbaiting begin?”

    The blunders in all of this are amazing.

    This particular example has to be likened to the “100 hours of walking in New York” idiocy that immediately transformed from a discussion of “street harassment” to the racial debate of “catcalling” and shifted the whole focus of the orginal video.

    The same could be said of Ray Rice. It immediately shifted the discussion to statistics of black men, as opposed to white men, in relationships and it focused on the poor choices women make and their tendencies to go for thuggy, bad boy, “beat me, mistreat me, make me write back checks” sort of relationships instead of decent, hardworking, white males.

    So now the discussion will shift from “Rape” to “who is raping”, a different sort of “Who; Whom”. When a white college girl ends up in a room alone, late at night, with multiple black males, her choice to do so says quite a lot about her, especially given some to recent revelations about the sexual preferences of women. And men are once again going to pounce on this wonderful little shift in the UVa discussion.

    So either this is now an example that the democratizing effect of the internet has let some really bad propagandists out into the general public sphere or a demonstration of the primacy of clickbait over truth.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Mark Minter

    Not directly on point, but Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements" from 1951 (his first book) is pretty good for insight into leaders and followers of mass movements. He draws from history, e.g. American, French, Russian revolutions, Nazism, fascism, communism, et al. In his descriptive approach you can see outlines of environmentalism, Islamism, Occupy Wall Street, feminism, and even today's shoddy journalism--I read some wag who called it media porn--all titillation, little substance. In mass movements, the facts aren't important, it's the cause--to have a cause that is larger than life, but especially larger than the miserable life followers usually have.

    While not from the book, this thought about causes and mass movements jumped out at me: "You haven't lived until you've something to die for." The defenders of this gang rape hoax of a story fall back on the cause--the "fake, but true" defense. The cause--the story, the narrative about the college "rape crisis" is true, it's just the details are off. It's an Emily Litella moment for them, but the cause must go forward--if only because they see it in terms as near as they'll get to life and death.

    And congrats to Steve for the skepticism that helped break this open.

  36. Priss Factor [AKA "terrapin gape"] says:

    Another ‘conservative raped me’ story.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/12/03/investigation-lena-dunhams-republican-rapist-story-falls-apart-under-scrutiny

    True or like the Oberlin KKK hoax?

    There is one con at Oberlin and HE is the rapist.

    Or does it seem like ‘rape’ when a con does it?

    If you bitch about ‘asians in library’, you get thrown out. If you bitch about a ‘cons raping’ everyone, you get a million dollar book contract.

  37. @Harold
    Elsewhere on the web (I forget where) someone noted that they have learnt that Atticus Finch was the bad guy in To Kill a Mockingbird because he doubted a rape accusation.

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @Chris Mallory

    This comment does make me wonder. Was the state of Alabama wrong in issuing pardons, in 2013, to the Scottsboro Boys? After all, Alabama must be questioning the word of a rape victim. Is Ken Burns pro rape for his support of the Central Park Wilding Rapists?

  38. @Anthony
    Is "Jackie" black?

    Do the black fraternities at UVa have houses?

    Because if both are true, the story becomes a little more credible.

    Replies: @ziel, @Anonymous

    The lifeguard bit makes that angle a bit less likely.

  39. One of your more shocking posts, Steve.

    Shocking in that things cannot be noticed, as you so often say.

    The left is throwing up martyrs at quite an impressive rate. It’s an assembly line. And, none of them really turn out to be very good martyrs.

    The UVA story seems to be pure evil propaganda disseminated for the sole purpose of inciting malice against… who? what?

    Ferguson is a Democratic Party dominated town. UVA is probably firmly in the Democratic lineup, too.

  40. Because “rape culture” is how white men in frat houses get the blame for black men raping white women.

    • Replies: @carol
    @countenance

    B,ecause “rape culture” is how white men in frat houses get the blame for black men raping white women.


    This is it. And I think the secretive campus procedures evolved to protect black perps and athletic programs from embarrassment.

    , @Rapparee
    @countenance

    "Because “rape culture” is how white men in frat houses get the blame for black men raping white women."


    "Haggins and Turner are not members of the fraternity, nor are they students at Johns Hopkins, university spokesman Dennis O’Shea said."
     
    In fairness, if you host a party so wild and so huge that a couple of seedy-looking creeps can walk in and prey on a young woman without anybody noticing, you're throwing an irresponsibly over-the-top party. On top of the rape, you can bet there was a ton of missing property after that shindig. It's poor hospitality and very reckless, though obviously that's a far cry from actually being responsible for the heinous crime of rape.
  41. What do Lena Dunham and Sabrina Rubin Erdely have in common besides falsely accusing innocent goyim of rape?

    • Replies: @Federale
    @Frank Discussion

    Question answers itself.

  42. I’m sorry, I know Steve & co. are enjoying hoisting leftists on their own hypocrisy, but this just gets me incredibly angry. I really hate leftists for blaming me for fake crimes while letting black savages off with little to no social approbation simply because they are black.

    Let it burn, baby.

  43. Perhaps, Steve, you should investigate the phenomenon called “cuckold porn.”

    The kids start watching this shit as soon puberty sets in and they figure out how to find it on the web.

    Kids try things out in college. Some girls can handle what they do. Others can’t.

    • Replies: @whorefinder
    @Shouting Thomas

    "Cuckold porn" appeals to low-testosterone, self-hating lefty men. They don't think themselves even good enough for women, and fantasize about "better" and "tougher" men taking their women and then raising that spawn. Hence why much of it is about black men taking white women in front of their white bfs---it's truly lefty self-degradation on display.

    , @YIH
    @Shouting Thomas

    >Perhaps, Steve, you should investigate the phenomenon called “cuckold porn.”
    Not really Steve's bailiwick - try here: http://whiskeysplace.wordpress.com/

    And for bonus lulz: http://www.businessinsider.com/rolling-stone-backtracks-on-explosive-uva-gang-rape-story-2014-12

    To Our Readers:

    Last month, Rolling Stone published a story titled "A Rape on Campus" by Sabrina Rubin Erdely, which described a brutal gang rape of a woman named Jackie at a University of Virginia fraternity house; the university's failure to respond to this alleged assault – and the school's troubling history of indifference to many other instances of alleged sexual assaults. The story generated worldwide headlines and much soul-searching at UVA. University president Teresa Sullivan promised a full investigation and also to examine the way the school responds to sexual assault allegations.

    Because of the sensitive nature of Jackie's story, we decided to honor her request not to contact the man she claimed orchestrated the attack on her nor any of the men she claimed participated in the attack for fear of retaliation against her. In the months Erdely spent reporting the story, Jackie neither said nor did anything that made Erdely, or Rolling Stone's editors and fact-checkers, question Jackie's credibility. Her friends and rape activists on campus strongly supported Jackie's account. She had spoken of the assault in campus forums. We reached out to both the local branch and the national leadership of the fraternity where Jackie said she was attacked. They responded that they couldn't confirm or deny her story but had concerns about the evidence.

    In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie's account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced. We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account. We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story.

    Will Dana
    Managing Editor

  44. My college, and the town around it, was practically 99.9% white. There were only a handful of black guys around.

    One of those black guys raped my girlfriend.

    It’s only one sample, but it doesn’t hint at a good average.

    My girlfriend went right to the cops. The black guy pleaded guilty. His sentence? Two years at home wearing an ankle bracelet. What a cruel and racist result! Oh how he suffered at the hands of the white establishment!

    Experience is a teacher. I was brought up and educated during the civil rights movement and all the left-leaning political movements that have brought us to where we are now. As a child and young man, I believed in total similarity. We were all taught that there were no significant differences between races.

    I remember how I slowly began to learn the truth about race:

    In eighth grade, a new kid arrived in our upper-middle-class town. He was yet another upper-middle-class white kid. He had moved there from New Orleans, where he had lived among blacks. He said things to the effect that he didn’t like black people. My friends and I, all properly indoctrinated and possessed of zero experience with black people, chided our new friend and called him “prejudiced.”

    What I realized years later was that our friend had the benefit of experience. He had actually lived among blacks, whereas we had not.

    My own first lesson in race realism was seeing how my college girlfriend innocently ended up getting raped by a black man she trusted and befriended one evening at a dance club. I began to wonder if the kid from New Orleans was right.

    I’ve had years of experience since, working with and managing black employees, and living in cities with large black populations. My perspectives have changed.

    The white people who march and protest and speak out on the left probably have no experience with the bulk of the distribution curve of the black race.

    Yes, there are some wonderful, intelligent black people, and we must take each individual human being as a sovereign individual before judging him. But we must also keep in mind the averages and the reality of race.

    If my college girlfriend had known all this, she would have been more careful — and saved herself from a traumatizing experience that will never leave her.

  45. As these perps might say, “oh, snap!!”

    I used to enjoy RadioDerb before it was firewalled by TakiMag.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Chrisnonymous

    "I used to enjoy RadioDerb before it was firewalled by TakiMag."

    Me, too. And they want $60 / year! Ricochet is only $30.

  46. “MagistraMundi says:

    Don’t be fooled by the statistics. Race is only skin-deep. Just ask this PhD in genetics:”

    The comments to that article are pretty depressing. Most of them are insufferably smug and stupid. I guess that Britain is doomed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    @Mr. Anon

    "The comments to that article are pretty depressing. Most of them are insufferably smug and stupid. I guess that Britain is doomed."

    Guardian moderators routinely censor politely expressed hatefacts. Sometimes they're flagged as deleted, other times they're just zapped. "And some there be, which have no memorial".

  47. @countenance
    Because "rape culture" is how white men in frat houses get the blame for black men raping white women.

    Replies: @carol, @Rapparee

    B,ecause “rape culture” is how white men in frat houses get the blame for black men raping white women.

    This is it. And I think the secretive campus procedures evolved to protect black perps and athletic programs from embarrassment.

  48. http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/04/top-gop-leader-promises-total-amnesty-in-2015/

    Isn’t it time to end the GOP?

    GOP won big in 2014 for this?

  49. tink progress = deliberate cognitive dissonance and extreme levels of narcissism

    People like that don’t deserve the clicks. People like that deserve to be ignored for their own good. I haven’t been there since 2008. Since then they’ve gotten everything they wanted, yet they’re still pushing BS frames and narratives. Narcissists don’t know when to stop.

  50. BYU also had a gang rape case where all the perps were black members of the football team, who were charged with getting a 17 year-old girl drunk and raping her. They were acquitted, but one of the perps went on to commit murder. There was another accusation of gang rape – again against several black football players – but the woman, a black member of the BYU track team, later confessed it was consensual.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So if the problem is both real and prevalent, why do they need to embellish (or make up) the facts in UVA?

    The cases they present, a drugged victim, non-university perps, and an empty dorm holiday case where the alleged are pleading not guilty all highlight why the UVA case seems so out of the ordinary. Moreover, anecdotes do not make a trend. Maybe they need to look harder after all, and that is really the point.

    I come down on the side of parents who want their daughters to be safe and are sickened by the hands off attitude of modern administrators. Just because they are 18 doesn’t mean they don’t need some adult supervision and guidance. I suspect the hype is more parents collective effort to apply heat to the schools than an actual crime wave.

  52. @Shouting Thomas
    Perhaps, Steve, you should investigate the phenomenon called "cuckold porn."

    The kids start watching this shit as soon puberty sets in and they figure out how to find it on the web.

    Kids try things out in college. Some girls can handle what they do. Others can't.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @YIH

    “Cuckold porn” appeals to low-testosterone, self-hating lefty men. They don’t think themselves even good enough for women, and fantasize about “better” and “tougher” men taking their women and then raising that spawn. Hence why much of it is about black men taking white women in front of their white bfs—it’s truly lefty self-degradation on display.

  53. @Tregon
    Don't be fooled by the statistics. Race is only skin-deep. Just ask this PhD in genetics:


    The nicest irony is that genetics – the field he [Francis Galton, "another racist"] founded and Watson transformed – is precisely the subject that has singularly demonstrated that race as a scientific concept holds no water. -- "He may have unravelled DNA, but James Watson deserves to be shunned", Adam Rutherford, The Guardian, 1 December 2014.

     

    Replies: @David In TN

    Race “holds water” when the left wants it to.

  54. It’s funny that the people who exemplify the leftwing’s worst accusations of the culture…are Democrats: black rapists, college administrators who do nothing, etc.

    And remember: Barack Obama and Eric Holder want these rapists to vote.

  55. The William Paterson University case is already out of the news. It hasn’t been mentioned in 2-3 days.

  56. @hbd chick
    ot - chris rock notices that there aren't many mexicans working in hollywood (except maybe for mopping floors). (he also has a lot to say about blacks in hollywood.):

    Chris Rock Pens Blistering Essay on Hollywood's Race Problem: "It's a White Industry"

    Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist

    You’re telling me no Mexicans are qualified to do anything at a studio? Really? Nothing but mop up? What are the odds that that’s true? The odds are, because people are people, that there’s probably a Mexican David Geffen mopping up for somebody’s company right now. The odds are that there’s probably a Mexican who’s that smart who’s never going to be given a shot.

    Woooooow!!!!!

    HBD Chick, looks like Steve is going to have plenty to write about this month.

    PBS’s “American Masters” did a 2 hour butt kissing of David Geffen. Even then it really could barely hide that the very jewish and very gay Geffen used a bit more than just chutzpah, wink wink nudge nudge, to work his way out of the William Morris Agency’s mail room.

    Now the King/”Queen” of Hollywood’s Gay+Jewish Mafia, Geffen is notorious for rumours of demanding sexual favours from wannabe assistants, actors, directors, agents, producers etc…. I believe that in “The Dictator” Sacha Baron Cohen was spoofing Geffen’s alleged “Polaroid” collection.

    http://video.pbs.org/video/2305433189/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Geffen

    I have to admit I am having a hard time imagining a “Mexican” David Geffen, a predatory gay Jewish Mexican with a plastic covered leather casting couch, who cleans his own post orgy pool/hot tub.

  57. The white devil is in the details.

    Mainstream journalism’s implicit credo: “Details: they’re important except when they’re not.”

  58. In today’s America people only care about the interracial aspect. So who was raped. White or black girls?

  59. @Anthony
    Is "Jackie" black?

    Do the black fraternities at UVa have houses?

    Because if both are true, the story becomes a little more credible.

    Replies: @ziel, @Anonymous

    The alleged UVA fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi, is a white frat.

  60. Well, I think we could’ve seen this coming

    A lawyer for the University of Virginia fraternity whose members were accused of a brutal gang rape said Friday that the organization will release a statement rebutting the claims printed in a Rolling Stone article about the incident. Several of the woman’s close friends and campus sex assault awareness advocates said that they also doubt the published account.

    Officials close to the fraternity said that the statement will indicate that Phi Kappa Psi did not host a party on Sept. 28, 2012, the night that a university student named Jackie alleges she was invited to a date party, lured into an upstairs room and was then ambushed and gang-raped by seven men who were rushing the fraternity.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/u-va-fraternity-to-rebut-claims-of-gang-rape-in-rolling-stone/2014/12/05/5fa5f7d2-7c91-11e4-84d4-7c896b90abdc_story.html?hpid=z1

  61. Not quite a retraction, but more than I expected from Rolling Stone:
    http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/a-note-to-our-readers-20141205

    It probably helped that the criticism you linked to came from a left-wing journalist.

  62. Good work, Steve. You nailed it exactly. The RS story has totally unravelled. While not totally retracting, RS Managing Editor says their trust in “Jackie” was misplaced. The Wash. Post (on the front page online) interviewed a Drew from the pool who confirms he did not belong to the fraternity and never met Jackie. Friends of “Jackie” who are “are sex assault advocates,” in Wapo’s words, (is she still hanging out with fratbrodudes?), they believe something happened to her, but now doubt her account.

  63. @countenance
    Because "rape culture" is how white men in frat houses get the blame for black men raping white women.

    Replies: @carol, @Rapparee

    Because “rape culture” is how white men in frat houses get the blame for black men raping white women.

    “Haggins and Turner are not members of the fraternity, nor are they students at Johns Hopkins, university spokesman Dennis O’Shea said.”

    In fairness, if you host a party so wild and so huge that a couple of seedy-looking creeps can walk in and prey on a young woman without anybody noticing, you’re throwing an irresponsibly over-the-top party. On top of the rape, you can bet there was a ton of missing property after that shindig. It’s poor hospitality and very reckless, though obviously that’s a far cry from actually being responsible for the heinous crime of rape.

  64. Breaking news: Rolling Stone has just issued a formal apology for the rape article.

    (Sorry, I forgot how to make the link hot.)

    http://news.yahoo.com/rolling-stone-uva-rape-story-retraction-180722194.html

    Ah, Schadenfreude…

    By the way, I lived for years in Columbia, MO and worked in campus rentals, mainly renting to Mizzou students. While the frat boys I encountered were spoiled as you’d expect, they were not the raging, misogynistic beasts the left depicts. And they were quite popular among the homeless b/c of their unfailing generosity. I went with some homeless guys to Fraternity Row. They showed me brand new, useful items (e.g., T shirts and socks), some still in their store packaging, that the frat boys would place carefully on top of the dumpster for homeless people to collect. They also saved redeemable bottles for homeless people, and gave out food at their kitchen doors (contrary to policy and regulations, IIRC). This bounty was to be found at every frat house. They were way more generous than the indy, leftist students who seemed to think buying a burger for a homeless person entitled them to hang out with that person and bolster their street cred.

  65. …..and they’re out!

    Rolling Stone retracts! The hunt for the Great White Defendant(s) must continue…..

  66. NEWS FLASH STEVE, ROLLING STONE RETRACTED THE STORY!

    You will get no credit, as usual.

  67. @Shouting Thomas
    Perhaps, Steve, you should investigate the phenomenon called "cuckold porn."

    The kids start watching this shit as soon puberty sets in and they figure out how to find it on the web.

    Kids try things out in college. Some girls can handle what they do. Others can't.

    Replies: @whorefinder, @YIH

    >Perhaps, Steve, you should investigate the phenomenon called “cuckold porn.”
    Not really Steve’s bailiwick – try here: http://whiskeysplace.wordpress.com/

    And for bonus lulz: http://www.businessinsider.com/rolling-stone-backtracks-on-explosive-uva-gang-rape-story-2014-12

    To Our Readers:

    Last month, Rolling Stone published a story titled “A Rape on Campus” by Sabrina Rubin Erdely, which described a brutal gang rape of a woman named Jackie at a University of Virginia fraternity house; the university’s failure to respond to this alleged assault – and the school’s troubling history of indifference to many other instances of alleged sexual assaults. The story generated worldwide headlines and much soul-searching at UVA. University president Teresa Sullivan promised a full investigation and also to examine the way the school responds to sexual assault allegations.

    Because of the sensitive nature of Jackie’s story, we decided to honor her request not to contact the man she claimed orchestrated the attack on her nor any of the men she claimed participated in the attack for fear of retaliation against her. In the months Erdely spent reporting the story, Jackie neither said nor did anything that made Erdely, or Rolling Stone’s editors and fact-checkers, question Jackie’s credibility. Her friends and rape activists on campus strongly supported Jackie’s account. She had spoken of the assault in campus forums. We reached out to both the local branch and the national leadership of the fraternity where Jackie said she was attacked. They responded that they couldn’t confirm or deny her story but had concerns about the evidence.

    In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie’s account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced. We were trying to be sensitive to the unfair shame and humiliation many women feel after a sexual assault and now regret the decision to not contact the alleged assaulters to get their account. We are taking this seriously and apologize to anyone who was affected by the story.

    Will Dana
    Managing Editor

  68. Steve, my guess is you are seeing a Democratic Civil War, Hillary vs. Obama, in the dueling narratives of every White guy raping College Coeds, versus every Black person in danger of being gunned down by racist White KKKops. Each faction in the media whipping up their own followers.

    So far, the Obama faction seems to winning. They seem to have more boots on the ground, so to speak, as well as more followers in the Media to push the narrative.

    Of course each narrative is of use to the other. Obama’s coalition is dependent on White women too, what better way to make them happy than to purge White guys from Universities (the aim of the current Rape Culture Narrative) and give those spots to … well a mixture of White women and various non-Whites. It would certainly make the feminists who hated the idea of stimulus jobs for burly men happy. Sheryl Sandberg, Kristen Gillibrand, the ladies on the View, would all be happy. And Hillary IF she is the nominee benefits from Black anger in a General though not Primary Election. Cue Father Pfleger.

    That being said, it seems however a dueling banjos of anti-White guy narratives to rile up the respective bases of the Hillary (White women) and Obama (Black people) coalitions. As each fights to maintain primacy in the Democratic Party by naming the next nominee.

  69. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Harold


    Elsewhere on the web (I forget where) someone noted that they have learnt that Atticus Finch was the bad guy in To Kill a Mockingbird because he doubted a rape accusation.
     
    Don't have time to post the links, but I read about the non-fictional inspiration behind TKAMB a couple of years ago.

    In real life Harper Lee's father, the inspiration for Atticus Finch, was an ex defence attorney turn small town publisher/journalist. As a journalist Amasa Coleman Lee campaigned against the death penalty for a rape involving a mentally impaired black ex con and an mentally disturbed white woman. Lee argued that while grounds for sexual assault were warranted, there were also conflicting circumstances and evidence that made the case for the death penalty way too severe.

    Mr Lee's arguments won the day, and I do not believe their was serious threats of lynching in this matter.

    So much of TKAMB is gross fiction tailored to the expectations of Upper Manhattan literary set of the late fifites on how evil white southerners were persecuting blacks. The real Amasa Coleman Lee was much more a race realist and hardly the liberal saint portrayed in the book or certainly the film.

    But you raise some interesting points of how the fictional or "real" TKAMB would be viewed by today's SJWs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasa_Coleman_Lee

    Replies: @David In TN, @Emblematic

    My liberal friends and acquaintances think TKAMB is a True Story. When you tell them Atticus Finch is a fictional character and it didn’t happen in real life, they are dumbstruck.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    When you tell them Atticus Finch is a fictional character and it didn’t happen in real life, they are dumbstruck.

    The characters had real life models. Atticus Finch was drawn from Harper Lee's father. "Dill" was the young Truman Capote.

    Replies: @David In TN

  70. I wonder if Rolling Stone will retract the “Jackie” story or not? If only there were some way to find out.

  71. Notice the frequent background of those that go all out in promoting the attacks on white male gentiles, i.e.: Sabrina Rubin Erdely,Tara Culp-Ressler. It’s really a Jewish supremacist tactic; to hobble gentiles in general, to push white gentile females toward Jew males to help an unhealthy Jewish gene pool. Nothing new about it. Just watch TV or movies for more, clear as a bell.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Wally

    Maybe, but the fraternity that was wrongly attacked by Sabrina Rubin Erdely has had prominent Jewish brothers, such as Eric Cantor's sons.

  72. @Wally
    Notice the frequent background of those that go all out in promoting the attacks on white male gentiles, i.e.: Sabrina Rubin Erdely,Tara Culp-Ressler. It's really a Jewish supremacist tactic; to hobble gentiles in general, to push white gentile females toward Jew males to help an unhealthy Jewish gene pool. Nothing new about it. Just watch TV or movies for more, clear as a bell.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Maybe, but the fraternity that was wrongly attacked by Sabrina Rubin Erdely has had prominent Jewish brothers, such as Eric Cantor’s sons.

  73. @Mr. Anon
    "MagistraMundi says:

    Don’t be fooled by the statistics. Race is only skin-deep. Just ask this PhD in genetics:"

    The comments to that article are pretty depressing. Most of them are insufferably smug and stupid. I guess that Britain is doomed.

    Replies: @Anonymous Nephew

    “The comments to that article are pretty depressing. Most of them are insufferably smug and stupid. I guess that Britain is doomed.”

    Guardian moderators routinely censor politely expressed hatefacts. Sometimes they’re flagged as deleted, other times they’re just zapped. “And some there be, which have no memorial”.

  74. Just speculation, but perhaps the Rolling Stone writer, Erdely, was trying to bring down Eric Cantor. However Dave Brat did it prematurely in the primary, in June. Maybe she wanted to tag Cantor’s sons with the suspicion of sexual harassment and thus Cantor would lose five more points in his re-election.
    I doubt it though, personally I think she used Phi Psi, if her fictionalization is that extensive, because it is THE most iconic looking frat house there is. Phi Psi sits at the head of Mad Bowl on fraternity row, aloof and alone, gazing serenely at the Lawn. The footprint of that frat house is like the throne for the Frat King.

  75. I normally read here and sometimes comment here, but commenting from TOR and using a different handle as I don’t want this to be linked back to my old fraternity, myself or those involved. A lot of iStevey elements were involved in this event.

    There was a likely rape that happened at my fraternity. We were a fraternity of a particular group of STEM majors. The incident happened during a party. An allegation was made by a Jewish girl who was a friend of a Jewish member that a member (who was either pledging or had just pledged, I think the latter) had raped her. This member had come to America from Turkey to go to this school. The alleged rape involved him taking her into a room of the house that was not accessible by guests at the party, though not a member’s room. I think prior to this he had been making out with her, most likely consensually. No other fraternity member was present in the room.

    The Jewish member was sure that the Turkish member had raped his friend, and his hatred of the alleged rapist was visceral as a result. I didn’t know who was telling the truth. The Turkish member seemed like a nice guy to me. But then I was brainwashed by PC at the time. I knew very little about Islam or about HBD. Maybe drinking alcohol might not be the Islamic thing to do, but he was pretty strongly Islamic (talked with a strong belief in the righteousness of Islam). If I was looking at the situation now, I’d be very inclined to believe the girl as I know a lot more about how Muslim men view infidel women. The Turkish member was taken in for questioning by the police.

    The end result of this was that the university gave the Turkish alleged rapist the option of self-deporting instead of facing charges, and that’s what happened. It saved our school and fraternity from bad press, removed a rapist from America, but left a likely rapist roaming free in Turkey without a conviction to use against him in future rape cases.

    It seems unlikely that a non-politically powerful fraternity would have a rape as a ritual as part of a pledging process. At least, no such fraternity composed of reasonable intelligent people would include such a ritual. I don’t have enough experience with other fraternities to make much of a comment there. But rituals that involve committing a serious violent crime every year, especially involving non-members as victims, seem unlikely to last a long time before charges would be filed and the fraternity either extinguishes or reforms.

    That being said, politically powerful organizations and people can get away with a lot. A fraternity involving student athletes (think Sandusky), protected minorities (think Rotherham) or a Skull and Bones type organization… who knows what sort of ritual criminal acts they could get away with for a long time.

  76. @Chrisnonymous
    As these perps might say, "oh, snap!!"

    I used to enjoy RadioDerb before it was firewalled by TakiMag.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    “I used to enjoy RadioDerb before it was firewalled by TakiMag.”

    Me, too. And they want $60 / year! Ricochet is only $30.

  77. @Mark Minter
    This is a to link to a pdf copy of a book about propaganda:

    Propaganda by Jacques Ellul
    http://nagasawafamily.org/jacques-ellul-propaganda.pdf

    It was reviewed on M0ldbug, Unqualified Reservations
    http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/03/jacques-ellul-on-demand-for-propaganda.html

    I am in the course of reading the book now and have really only gotten into the preface. It is not particularly easy to read. Ellul lived in Vichy France so I assume the original was written in French. So the translation is probably a little rougher than if the original was written in English.

    I assume the value in reading the book is that an individual, particularly the active individuals in our little renegade output of the internet, that are educated about what specifically are the techniques and action of propagandists can use the info to point it out as such.

    The question that arises to me in all of this reporting about UVa now is "Where does the propaganda stop and the clickbaiting begin?"

    The blunders in all of this are amazing.

    This particular example has to be likened to the "100 hours of walking in New York" idiocy that immediately transformed from a discussion of "street harassment" to the racial debate of "catcalling" and shifted the whole focus of the orginal video.

    The same could be said of Ray Rice. It immediately shifted the discussion to statistics of black men, as opposed to white men, in relationships and it focused on the poor choices women make and their tendencies to go for thuggy, bad boy, "beat me, mistreat me, make me write back checks" sort of relationships instead of decent, hardworking, white males.

    So now the discussion will shift from "Rape" to "who is raping", a different sort of "Who; Whom". When a white college girl ends up in a room alone, late at night, with multiple black males, her choice to do so says quite a lot about her, especially given some to recent revelations about the sexual preferences of women. And men are once again going to pounce on this wonderful little shift in the UVa discussion.

    So either this is now an example that the democratizing effect of the internet has let some really bad propagandists out into the general public sphere or a demonstration of the primacy of clickbait over truth.

    Replies: @Forbes

    Not directly on point, but Eric Hoffer’s “The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements” from 1951 (his first book) is pretty good for insight into leaders and followers of mass movements. He draws from history, e.g. American, French, Russian revolutions, Nazism, fascism, communism, et al. In his descriptive approach you can see outlines of environmentalism, Islamism, Occupy Wall Street, feminism, and even today’s shoddy journalism–I read some wag who called it media porn–all titillation, little substance. In mass movements, the facts aren’t important, it’s the cause–to have a cause that is larger than life, but especially larger than the miserable life followers usually have.

    While not from the book, this thought about causes and mass movements jumped out at me: “You haven’t lived until you’ve something to die for.” The defenders of this gang rape hoax of a story fall back on the cause–the “fake, but true” defense. The cause–the story, the narrative about the college “rape crisis” is true, it’s just the details are off. It’s an Emily Litella moment for them, but the cause must go forward–if only because they see it in terms as near as they’ll get to life and death.

    And congrats to Steve for the skepticism that helped break this open.

  78. @Anonymous
    She can identify 3 cases - and I'm CERTAIN she looked far and wide, and this is supposed to be some sort of national crisis?...it seems like these privileged, blonde frat boys are on a rampage.

    What is going in our culture? Are these women insane? What the hell is happening?

    Rape is bad, we know this. We always have. Why this sudden obsession with blonde frat boy rape? The real problem is obviously in Rotherham - in certain black subcultures, everybody knows this don't they?

    Replies: @josh, @Frau Katze

    I’ve noticed that white guys rarely do gang rape. They tend to be loners…sometimes very vicious ones, often progressing to murder in later cases.

    Just an observation from reading a lot of true crime.

  79. @anonymous-antimarxist
    @Harold


    Elsewhere on the web (I forget where) someone noted that they have learnt that Atticus Finch was the bad guy in To Kill a Mockingbird because he doubted a rape accusation.
     
    Don't have time to post the links, but I read about the non-fictional inspiration behind TKAMB a couple of years ago.

    In real life Harper Lee's father, the inspiration for Atticus Finch, was an ex defence attorney turn small town publisher/journalist. As a journalist Amasa Coleman Lee campaigned against the death penalty for a rape involving a mentally impaired black ex con and an mentally disturbed white woman. Lee argued that while grounds for sexual assault were warranted, there were also conflicting circumstances and evidence that made the case for the death penalty way too severe.

    Mr Lee's arguments won the day, and I do not believe their was serious threats of lynching in this matter.

    So much of TKAMB is gross fiction tailored to the expectations of Upper Manhattan literary set of the late fifites on how evil white southerners were persecuting blacks. The real Amasa Coleman Lee was much more a race realist and hardly the liberal saint portrayed in the book or certainly the film.

    But you raise some interesting points of how the fictional or "real" TKAMB would be viewed by today's SJWs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amasa_Coleman_Lee

    Replies: @David In TN, @Emblematic

    Here’s an article about the real life inspiration for To Kill a Mockingbird:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/09/yall-can-kill-that-mockingbird-now/

  80. Think Progress is neither.

  81. Leftists collide head-on with their own stupid Narrative again, film at 11. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch, they have my schadenfreude.

    Everyone here acts as though the media can just Alfred E. Newman their way through, and they’re largely right, but “UVA frat gang rape hoax” is now a big ole can of ammo in our armory. The list grows…

    1. There are no false rape accusations, and 2. Black men are falsely accused of rape all the time.

    This guy gets it. That’s what leftism is! A bunch of contradictory shit that you’re not supposed to notice is contradictory.

    Yes, there are some wonderful, intelligent black people, and we must take each individual human being as a sovereign individual before judging him. But we must also keep in mind the averages and the reality of race.

    If my college girlfriend had known all this, she would have been more careful — and saved herself from a traumatizing experience that will never leave her.

    Two paragraphs, at war with one another…

    Don’t be fooled by the statistics. Race is only skin-deep. Just ask this PhD in genetics:”

    The comments to that article are pretty depressing. Most of them are insufferably smug and stupid. I guess that Britain is doomed.

    Because PhD means 100% honest, 100% of the time. Sort of like “me priest sez.”

    Isn’t it time to end the GOP?

    GOP won big in 2014 for this?
    Reply

    GOP Senate Candidate Wants Anti-Amnesty Rider

    The poll showed that 41.2 percent of likely voters in Louisiana said their top issue was blocking President Barack Obama’s amnesty for illegals. The 41.2 percent opposition to amnesty was triple the 15.3 percent of respondents in oil-rich Louisiana who cited the XL pipeline as their top issue, and well above the 28.9 percent who said Obamacare is the most important issue.

    Keep in mind that the same leftist ruling class that has been ignoring public opposition to open borders and mass immigration and imposing them on us anyway, is the same leftist ruling class that uses the disaffection of the population hardest hit by open borders and mass immigration (blacks) against us, every chance they get.

    And they think this won’t end in violence, how cute.

    “Cuckold porn” appeals to low-testosterone, self-hating lefty men. They don’t think themselves even good enough for women, and fantasize about “better” and “tougher” men taking their women and then raising that spawn. Hence why much of it is about black men taking white women in front of their white bfs—it’s truly lefty self-degradation on display.

    I’d say that “cuckold porn’s” main customers are black males. This seems obvious, but nobody seems to notice. Blacks are conspicuous consumers, and they love wasting their money on shit like rims, cognac, and porn. “Savings” designates money they forgot to spend. And “cuckold porn” is tailored to their tastes. The “tell” for all of this is that black-on-black porn is about as popular as “interracial” porn.

    Looks like Rolling Stone is beginning the long climb down.

    One day, our posterity will read about “The Forced March Back.”

    The defenders of this gang rape hoax of a story fall back on the cause–the “fake, but true” defense.

    Colbert calls it “truthiness.” Oh, wait, that’s only when conservatives or Republicans do it. Colbert doesn’t seem to have a word for when lefties do it. I’ll have to drop him a note and tell him “liberalism,” “progressivism,” or “leftism” will do.

  82. That’s not rape, it’s undocumented lovemaking.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Rob McX


    That’s not rape, it’s undocumented lovemaking.
     
    He's not a rapist; he's her undocumented husband.
  83. @Priss Factor
    http://www.amren.com/news/2014/12/five-charts-that-show-why-a-post-white-america-is-already-here/

    Terrible news but with silver lining.

    If whites are having fewer kids, it means urban white libs are esp having fewer kids.
    As white/Jewish folks have dominated the nation, the decline of white/Jewish lib birth gives white cons a chance to define white identity and future by having more kids.

    Even if whites are down to under 50%, if whites of the future are overwhelmingly born and raised as cons, then white politics/power will be shaped and determined by con views.

    So, white cons have a golden opportunity to define the future of whiteness. As lib whites have no kids, white cons should have more kids.

    Even if whites become minority, they will still dominate society because blacks and browns don't have the brain power.
    Also, as the graph show, the rise in mixed race marriages will devour the asian race. Asian women will have kids with white men and asian boys will grow old alone playing video games. Thus, the yellow threat becomes moot. Besides, yellows have the submissive genes.

    Replies: @BigGaySteve

    But the religious conservative Jews in Israel are smart enough not to let the Soros Jews near their kids. Common Core preaches equalism and white privilege

  84. @Rob McX
    That's not rape, it's undocumented lovemaking.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    That’s not rape, it’s undocumented lovemaking.

    He’s not a rapist; he’s her undocumented husband.

  85. @iSteveFan
    It is beyond belief how the Left continually rants about rape and sexual assault and essentially ignores cases right before their collective noses like Rotherham and these three examples you have just listed.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    It is beyond belief how the Left continually rants about rape and sexual assault and essentially ignores cases right before their collective noses like Rotherham and these three examples you have just listed.

    Yeah, it’s like everything else: workers, the poor, Blacks. Every cause the Left overtly champions is merely a means to a covert end. Leftist power.

  86. @doug
    Do whites even commit gang rape? I've heard of two perpetrators and a single victim (see the Ched Evans case), but full-on gang rape seems to be almost exclusively a black and mid-east/south Asian thing. Indians seem to be doing it in India, and Pakistanis most definitely do it at home and in the parts of England they've colonised. There was a report a few years ago that claimed, entirely believably, that essentially all gang rapes in London are committed by blacks. It even got a small amount of coverage in the MSM, surprisingly. Any examples of a genuine white gang rape? I suppose there must be some, but I've genuinely never heard of one.

    I think gang rape requires a combination of shamelessness and stupidity that paleys largely don't possess. That, and it seems to be a weapon of ethnic war (whether declared or not) in a way that single perpetrator rape isn't (generally). To humiliate a victim in this specific way requires her/him to be from a different group. To do it to one of your own must seem egregious to all but the most depraved.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Art Deco

    Do whites even commit gang rape?

    I’m amazed at how cavalierly some of you dismiss this fact.

  87. Now we read that “Barry One” Lena Dunham’s alleged rapist, is starting legal action against her after trying to have her fable about him removed from her book. It’s good to see the pushback, though if I were identified as someone who willingly had sex with her, I’d sue too!

    Steve, have you read about the new Colin Ferguson on the Amtrak train in Michigan?

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Brutusale

    He may regret getting himself involved in a defamation suit.

  88. @Brutusale
    Now we read that "Barry One" Lena Dunham's alleged rapist, is starting legal action against her after trying to have her fable about him removed from her book. It's good to see the pushback, though if I were identified as someone who willingly had sex with her, I'd sue too!

    Steve, have you read about the new Colin Ferguson on the Amtrak train in Michigan?

    Replies: @Art Deco

    He may regret getting himself involved in a defamation suit.

  89. @David In TN
    @anonymous-antimarxist

    My liberal friends and acquaintances think TKAMB is a True Story. When you tell them Atticus Finch is a fictional character and it didn't happen in real life, they are dumbstruck.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    When you tell them Atticus Finch is a fictional character and it didn’t happen in real life, they are dumbstruck.

    The characters had real life models. Atticus Finch was drawn from Harper Lee’s father. “Dill” was the young Truman Capote.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    So what? Still a fictional story.

  90. @doug
    Do whites even commit gang rape? I've heard of two perpetrators and a single victim (see the Ched Evans case), but full-on gang rape seems to be almost exclusively a black and mid-east/south Asian thing. Indians seem to be doing it in India, and Pakistanis most definitely do it at home and in the parts of England they've colonised. There was a report a few years ago that claimed, entirely believably, that essentially all gang rapes in London are committed by blacks. It even got a small amount of coverage in the MSM, surprisingly. Any examples of a genuine white gang rape? I suppose there must be some, but I've genuinely never heard of one.

    I think gang rape requires a combination of shamelessness and stupidity that paleys largely don't possess. That, and it seems to be a weapon of ethnic war (whether declared or not) in a way that single perpetrator rape isn't (generally). To humiliate a victim in this specific way requires her/him to be from a different group. To do it to one of your own must seem egregious to all but the most depraved.

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Art Deco

    Any examples of a genuine white gang rape? I suppose there must be some, but I’ve genuinely never heard of one.

    New Bedford, Mass., ca. 1983, on the pool table of a bar.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Art Deco

    The rapists in the true story behind "The Accused" were immigrant fishermen from the Azores.

    , @David In TN
    @Art Deco

    "New Bedford, Mass,. ca. 1983, on the pool table of a bar."

    You had to go back over 30 years to find an example.

  91. @Art Deco
    @doug

    Any examples of a genuine white gang rape? I suppose there must be some, but I’ve genuinely never heard of one.

    New Bedford, Mass., ca. 1983, on the pool table of a bar.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @David In TN

    The rapists in the true story behind “The Accused” were immigrant fishermen from the Azores.

  92. Revisited the Stephen Glass story: Another liberal jew fabricating get-the-goyim stories.

  93. @front toward enemy
    I'd like to see a picture of "Jackie". Could she be a fat, ugly broad who can only fantasize about lots of men "wanting" her? Rape is serious and should not be trivialized by attention whores craving someone to look at me. Oh, and the other examples provided looked like they could be Barkie's sons, if he had any.

    Replies: @tbraton

    Another commentor on another blog claims that he tracked down “Jackie” and found her picture. Apparently, she is very attractive, which undercuts her claim that she was mystified by “Drew’s” attention to her at the pool where they both worked since the other female lifeguards working there were very attractive. Go figure.

  94. @Frank Discussion
    What do Lena Dunham and Sabrina Rubin Erdely have in common besides falsely accusing innocent goyim of rape?

    Replies: @Federale

    Question answers itself.

  95. @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    When you tell them Atticus Finch is a fictional character and it didn’t happen in real life, they are dumbstruck.

    The characters had real life models. Atticus Finch was drawn from Harper Lee's father. "Dill" was the young Truman Capote.

    Replies: @David In TN

    So what? Still a fictional story.

  96. @Art Deco
    @doug

    Any examples of a genuine white gang rape? I suppose there must be some, but I’ve genuinely never heard of one.

    New Bedford, Mass., ca. 1983, on the pool table of a bar.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @David In TN

    “New Bedford, Mass,. ca. 1983, on the pool table of a bar.”

    You had to go back over 30 years to find an example.

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