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From the New York Times opinion page:

Good for Google, Bad for America
At its core, artificial intelligence is a military technology. Why is the company sharing it with a rival?

By Peter Thiel
Mr. Thiel is an entrepreneur and investor.

Aug. 1, 2019

… A.I. is a military technology. Forget the sci-fi fantasy; what is powerful about actually existing A.I. is its application to relatively mundane tasks like computer vision and data analysis. Though less uncanny than Frankenstein’s monster, these tools are nevertheless valuable to any army — to gain an intelligence advantage, for example, or to penetrate defenses in the relatively new theater of cyberwarfare, where we are already living amid the equivalent of a multinational shooting war.

No doubt machine learning tools have civilian uses, too; A.I. is a good example of a “dual use” technology. But that common-sense understanding of A.I.’s ambiguity has been strangely missing from the narrative that pits a monolithic “A.I.” against all of humanity.

A.I.’s military power is the simple reason that the recent behavior of America’s leading software company, Google — starting an A.I. lab in China while ending an A.I. contract with the Pentagon — is shocking. As President Barack Obama’s defense secretary Ash Carter pointed out last month, “If you’re working in China, you don’t know whether you’re working on a project for the military or not.”

No intensive investigation is required to confirm this. All one need do is glance at the Communist Party of China’s own constitution: Xi Jinping added the principle of “civil-military fusion,” which mandates that all research done in China be shared with the People’s Liberation Army, in 2017.

That same year, Google decided to open an A.I. lab in Beijing. According to Fei-Fei Li, the executive who opened it, the lab is “focused on basic A.I. research” because Google is “an A.I.-first company” in a world where “A.I. and its benefits have no borders.” All this is part of a “huge transformation” in “humanity” itself. Back in the United States, a rebellion among rank and file employees led Google last June to announce the abandonment of its “Project Maven” A.I. contract with the Pentagon. Perhaps the most charitable word for these twin decisions would be to call them naïve.

How can Google use the rhetoric of “borderless” benefits to justify working with the country whose “Great Firewall” has imposed a border on the internet itself? This way of thinking works only inside Google’s cosseted Northern California campus, quite distinct from the world outside. The Silicon Valley attitude sometimes called “cosmopolitanism” is probably better understood as an extreme strain of parochialism, that of fortunate enclaves isolated from the problems of other places — and incurious about them. …

A few years after the Cold War ended, American leaders started treating China the way they had treated West Germany and Japan. We tolerated punishing trade deficits in the 1970s and 1980s to support those two allies, and we had strategic reasons to do it. As for building up China in the 1990s and 2000s, America’s generosity was supposed to somehow lead to China’s liberalization. In reality, it led to the transfer of our industrial base to a foreign rival. …

In the 1950s, the cliché was that “what’s good for General Motors is good for the country.” Google makes no such claim for itself; it would be too obviously false. Instead, Google says it is “committed to significantly improving the lives of as many people as possible”— a standard so vague as to defy any challenge.

By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good of the country.

 
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  1. Google’s new motto: “Don’t Be Evil–That’s Our Job!”

    • Agree: L Woods
    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    Vox Day has said that he knew Google was trouble when he heard their motto. If you have to constantly remind yourself, out loud, in public, "Don't be Evil" that's a sure sign you're doing some nasty things. Projection is a bitch, and the Left always projects.
    , @Richard B
    Google's new motto simply dropped the "Don't."
  2. By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good of the country.

    If only we had a presidential candidate with this sort of courage and clarity.

    I’m surprised the NYT permitted the sentence to be published.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    I'm surprised they permitted the article to be publish.

    But then, maybe they're gloating.

    It couldn't be more obvious that Jewish Supremacy Inc. and China are dividing up the world between them.

    China will get the East. JSI the West (which it already has) and the 3rd world has never presented a problem and will be used for resources and getaway locations.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    "I’m surprised the NYT permitted the sentence to be published."

    I am surprised Mr. Thiel still has a job with the wokesters at the NYT opinion page!

    (I predict this will be a talking point for the Democratic presidential hopefuls in the next round of "debates"):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boCmsa6wRas
    , @anon
    Yeah, but he's a prevert, and likely is just fooling you by pretending to be some kinda patriot, while he's secretly organizing some kinda prevert takeover.
  3. I used to work in Silicon Valley.

    A HUGE number of engineers there are Chinese and Indians on H1-B visas. Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they’re basically cheap indentured servants.

    Why is Google helping the Chinese military whilst refusing to help the Pentagon?

    Easy.

    It’s because a huge number of Google employers are actual Chinese. They are loyal to China and the CCP.

    Even if they get US passports eventually, make no mistake they are loyal to their home country and racial group.

    Google has been penetrated by Chinese intelligence up and down.

    The rest of Google is so “cosmopolitan” that they believe this is “enlightened, global citizen” behavior.

    Treasonous.

    • Agree: TWS
    • Replies: @International Jew

    Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they’re basically cheap indentured servants.
     
    That was true in the past. Today, Chinese and Indians are hired because most of the engineers already there, including the first-line managers, are Chinese and Indians. And they simply prefer to work with their own.

    Google, Facebook and Apple still have a lot of Euro-American employees. But at the lower tiers of visibility and prestige, the younger engineers are overwhelmingly, sometimes exclusively, from Asia.
    , @jbwilson24
    "A HUGE number of engineers there are Chinese and Indians on H1-B visas. Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they’re basically cheap indentured servants."

    They are more compliant, and they have a harder time switching jobs. They also don't complain and push politis at work.

    "It’s because a huge number of Google employers are actual Chinese. They are loyal to China and the CCP."

    I think most americans don't understand the attitude of foreign workers. they have no long term stake in the country at all. Most of them are here for the salary and then they'll head off somewhere else to retire.

    "Even if they get US passports eventually, make no mistake they are loyal to their home country and racial group."

    Even if they aren't loyal, the Party can still pressure them for information. Having said that, China is so strong on research these days that even Google is not going to be a treasure trove of secrets.

    "The rest of Google is so “cosmopolitan” that they believe this is “enlightened, global citizen” behavior."

    That's because Google is run by a tribe that has been referred to as 'rootless cosmopolitans'. How can we criticize the Chinese for spying and infiltrating America when the Jews beat them to it by centuries?
    , @The Cruncher
    It’s not only about price - do you think Google or Facebook care about price? They just want more, and better engineers, from everywhere in the world.
  4. If you read about these type of topics, it’s amazing how much of technological edge China is gaining over America. It won’t be long before China surpasses the United States. Right before our eyes.

    People say America shouldn’t worry because China is the next Japan. Just like Japan fizzled out in the early 90s, supposedly China is going to lose steam soon.

    That’s completely incorrect analysis. China’s population is 10x larger than Japan. Also remember China is still early in its development. When it becomes a full-fledged first world nation, imagine how economically and technologically dominant China will be in the future.

    • Replies: @Imper-v-ious
    America is too busy being woke to worry about no edumacation, that’s for Indian and Asian kids. America is deeply dysfunctional.

    My mother extolled the virtue of keeping one’s standards even at the peril of not fitting in for once you abandon your set of standards, you’re no better than the rest. The west is a culture with no standards except that of the lowest common denominator. Too afraid of excellence, we dumb ourselves down foolishly believing it raises others up.

    We shy away from intellectual pursuits towards passive consumption of tv, music, and sportsball. In China, kids read poetry, learn instruments, and study whilst in the West they look at memes, listen to homicidal and antisocial rap music, and stay current with gossip on twitter. It’s no wonder that the future belongs to the East and not to indolent, unindustrious Westerners.
    , @Lot
    China subsidizes 5g because it is a visible and prestige industry, and because it enables spying.

    If they want to get a lead in this, so what? They will have faster cell phone data speeds for a few years?

    There is no "Global 5g Race" of any importance the USA is "lagging." I'm not watching that Bloomberg corporate propaganda video, but I'll bet the "Akoustis Technologies CEO" they have on there is whining the American government isn't subsidizing his company like China and Huawei.

    Thiel has the right idea: AI is much more important. 5G is as unimportant to the USA as having a bunch of 200MPH passanger trains.

    To the extent there is any worrying tech lag we have with China, it is in genetic engineering.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't understand your arguments. Sure, China is more populous & is early in its development. But, the central downsizes remain, or are even more pronounced:

    1. these are too ethnically/racially/culturally individualized & "autistic"countries to become world leaders in most areas. In short, they're too foreign to the rest of the world.

    2. they basically mind their own business & have no interest in the rest of the world, and contemporary power is inextricably interwoven with one's ties with the global world

    3. they are culturally invisible, and even in science & technology fields, this is a fatal flaw

    4. China has yet her major troubles (national, class) to meet, her problems are just becoming visible. Imagine Uyghur troubles multiplied by 100000

    So, I'm not convinced that population & early rise mean something crucial re this matter.
    , @Digital Samizdat
    Yup. And unlike Japan, China is not somebody else's vassal state; China is a superpower.
  5. Ah. I like seeing dissension in the usually seamless ranks of our owners.

    Hope its real and not just window-dressing.

    • Replies: @Alden
    It’s just window dressing.
  6. Good for Thiel and very well said.

    • Agree: Lot
  7. People say the Chinese can imitate, but they can’t innovate. They can’t actually take technology and implement it into practical product.

    That may not be true anymore.

    China is exceeding the U.S. on spending on R&D commercialization.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    China will never close the taco truck gap. The true measure of an advanced economy.

    Once the US pays reparations to African Americans, then R&D commercialization will really start to take off. Also, legalizing high grade marijuana, payday loans and slot machines nationally are the keys to national greatness. Can China be considered an advanced economy if they don't have C.B.D infused hemp vegan lollipops sold at local corner stores? Come on.

    https://hempbombs.com/cbd-lollipops/
  8. I couldn’t agree more with Mr. Thiel’s essay, both the history and his opinion of the Goolag.

    BTW, I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search? Really? I could see better living through chemistry, but not through search algorithms

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    BTW, I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search? Really? I could see better living through chemistry, but not through search algorithms.
     
    Did you not see this example of how Google wants to make our lives better?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNvgl38TLvI
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search?"

    Google search peaked around the early-mid 2000s. It's been getting worse for more than ten years, as it attempts to answer the search it thinks you've asked for, rather than the search you typed in.

    And that's before we come to the political meddling in what's returned.
    , @bjondo
    I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search?

    Via lack of search.
    Google/YouTube censorship
    helps people not waste time
    with what they actually want.
  9. You want Pinochet? This is how you get Pinochet, supporting a foreign power rather than your own country.
    The REAL Russian interference in America is Brin and Boot.

  10. These people have one loyalty: loyalty to their own avarice. Nothing else matters to them.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    Not sure. If only that were true, it would be better than Google's current priorities.

    If Google's top management were focused solely on avarice -- i.e., profit maximization and/or long-term shareholder value -- would they have cancelled the Pentagon contract?

    I think we are in an era where evil greedy corporations now hold certain values that are more important than the bottom line. That is certainly true in pockets of the media and entertainment businesses, and it's infecting every other sector too.
  11. It should be enshrined somewhere among the cardinal laws of human nature: any company who begins with “Don’t be evil!” as its corporate slogan eventually works for the Communist Party of China.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    "any company who begins with “Don’t be evil!” as its corporate slogan eventually works for the Communist Party of China."

    And when it does it simply drops the "Don't."
  12. @JohnnyWalker123
    People say the Chinese can imitate, but they can't innovate. They can't actually take technology and implement it into practical product.

    That may not be true anymore.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrardEWL5oM

    China is exceeding the U.S. on spending on R&D commercialization.

    China will never close the taco truck gap. The true measure of an advanced economy.

    Once the US pays reparations to African Americans, then R&D commercialization will really start to take off. Also, legalizing high grade marijuana, payday loans and slot machines nationally are the keys to national greatness. Can China be considered an advanced economy if they don’t have C.B.D infused hemp vegan lollipops sold at local corner stores? Come on.

    https://hempbombs.com/cbd-lollipops/

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Nurdle
    Exactly. China doesn't have Tyson Ranch.
    https://tysonranch.com
  13. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:

    Can you expect anything else from a class of people who hate their own country? Being a ‘nationalist’ is a slur and dog whistle now. Being a ‘cosmopolitan’ is enlightenment thought. Thiel is only too right that the banker class refuses to suffer harm in profits.

    Self-Sacrifice is for Suckers. Sad!

  14. If Google don’t gets the JEDI contract is gonna go to a Israeli company that supported Trump and the Israelis have already sold US military tech to China anyway, you may hate Bezos but he is one the few American tech billionaires that isn’t beholden directly to Zionism or the Jewish elite. That sort of explain why he gets attacked so much in the media, even on the “liberal” NYT.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    Oh, wow. Bezos employs his own personal trolls now? You mean, owning the Langley Post isn't enough by itself?
  15. Multinational corporations are just that – multinational. Their motive is profit maximization. They exist because the state allows limited liability – something you personally do not have and it’s the state’s job to control them, not just to lower their tax rates. The GOP with their fixation on the stock market, missed what was happening. They more than anyone allowed the formation of these SJW behemoths filling up our cities with their low wage H1Bs, moving their revenue to the Cayman Islands, spying on us, all while lecturing us on transgender rights. Happy GOP?

    • Replies: @Dissident

    The GOP with their fixation on the stock market, missed what was happening. They more than anyone allowed the formation of these SJW behemoths filling up our cities with their low wage H1Bs, moving their revenue to the Cayman Islands, spying on us, all while lecturing us on transgender rights. Happy GOP?
     
    Which GOP are you talking about? If you mean the average working man who votes Republican, then, yes, he more-than-likely "missed what was happening" as you describe it and he is not happy with the results. If, however, you mean the leadership/party bosses of the GOP establishment, then I would say that the assessment is inverted: they are indeed happy with what you describe because it was the plan all along; they missed nothing.

    Am I wrong?

    , @Digital Samizdat
    +1000 Agrees. (I already used up my button for the hour.)
  16. Sundar Pichai can’t be too stupid to understand that the PLA is an arm of the Communist Party, with which Pichai is agreeing to share technology by engaging in a joint venture in Beijing. No, he’s not stupid: he’s a liar and probably a traitor. It wouldn’t surprise me if, in fact, it wasn’t so much the decision of Google employees not to do business with the Pentagon, but rather pressure and bribes from the CCP itself that led to the decision to work for them instead. The excuse that the employees made the choice sounds just a little too convenient.

    An investigation is definitely in order here.

    AI combined with 5g technology can give armies enormous tactical advantages in the fog of war. Remember our “smart bombs” from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It’s an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.

    • Replies: @Hopscotch
    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.
    , @R.G. Camara

    Remember our “smart bombs” from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It’s an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.
     
    Insert joke about Skynet becoming self-aware here.
    , @Lurker

    No, he’s not stupid: he’s a liar and probably a traitor.
     
    To India maybe. Assuming he has any loyalty to the US would be a mistake.
    , @Erik L
    Is 5G somehow unjammable? My uninformed guess would be no. It would make more sense to me to use powerful chips and AI within the individual missiles. Then you would need less bandwidth or no bandwidth. Using AI analysis of visual and other cues you might be able to make a missile be able to navigate accurately with GPS satellites unavailable
    , @craig
    If Artificial Intelligence is such a military force multiplier, then we should add it to the ITAR restricted technologies list, no?
  17. This is dead on.

    A quick way to call Google’s bluff is to forbid any known member of the Chinese Communist Party from working domestically in the US tech industry. In fact, this is probably too much for Mnuchin, et al. Better yet, simply ask for a count of CCP members currently working in Silicon Valley.

    Google would freak out. Several thousand H1B’s in Silicon Valley are members of the CCP, who are quietly siphoning off technology, particularly in the deep learning space.

    It would be like 1960’s IBM hiring a few hundred Soviet Communist Party members, while simultaneously refusing to work with the US military. It is treasonous.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    It would be like 1960’s IBM hiring a few hundred Soviet Communist Party members, while simultaneously refusing to work with the US military. It is treasonous.

    The key difference is that in the 1960's, people could agree something was treasonous because they had a rough idea of who was on what side. Today, unless a corporation is doing public relations in favour of military spending, they go out of their way to tell deprecated Americans that they are expressly on the side of anyone else but the stale, straight, pale and male.

    Even the lovely and talented Saira Rao wonders who's "us" in this crazy old world:

    https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1157249175760846848?s=20

    https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1157016368853725184?s=20
  18. @Clifford Brown
    China will never close the taco truck gap. The true measure of an advanced economy.

    Once the US pays reparations to African Americans, then R&D commercialization will really start to take off. Also, legalizing high grade marijuana, payday loans and slot machines nationally are the keys to national greatness. Can China be considered an advanced economy if they don't have C.B.D infused hemp vegan lollipops sold at local corner stores? Come on.

    https://hempbombs.com/cbd-lollipops/

    Exactly. China doesn’t have Tyson Ranch.
    https://tysonranch.com

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    China doesn’t have Tyson Ranch
     
    They'll have that meaty dressing on Chinese shelves before the year is out.


    https://www.tyson.com/recipes/ranch-chicken-pasta-salad

    https://www.tysonfoodservice.com/products/00023700050465


    https://scene7.samsclub.com/is/image/samsclub/0002370004975_A?$DT_PDP_Image$


    https://tysonscore3.azureedge.net/assets/media/tysonretail/30023700049606_a1c1_ranch.ashx

  19. @Mr McKenna
    Google's new motto: "Don't Be Evil--That's Our Job!"

    Vox Day has said that he knew Google was trouble when he heard their motto. If you have to constantly remind yourself, out loud, in public, “Don’t be Evil” that’s a sure sign you’re doing some nasty things. Projection is a bitch, and the Left always projects.

    • Agree: Charon, Bill Jones, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    If somebody you knew took to frequently saying "I won't hurt you", you would probably try to avoid him.
  20. @Bill P
    Sundar Pichai can't be too stupid to understand that the PLA is an arm of the Communist Party, with which Pichai is agreeing to share technology by engaging in a joint venture in Beijing. No, he's not stupid: he's a liar and probably a traitor. It wouldn't surprise me if, in fact, it wasn't so much the decision of Google employees not to do business with the Pentagon, but rather pressure and bribes from the CCP itself that led to the decision to work for them instead. The excuse that the employees made the choice sounds just a little too convenient.

    An investigation is definitely in order here.

    AI combined with 5g technology can give armies enormous tactical advantages in the fog of war. Remember our "smart bombs" from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It's an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    • Replies: @Clifford Brown
    Page and Brin have "checked out" not just from Google, but perhaps this space time continuum for about half a decade.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0tPn6NaiqE
    , @Moses

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.
     
    Yes. Pichai is just the chief capo water-carrier for Larry and Sergey. Hired help.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.
     
    They should both have a short drop and a quick stop for it. In public.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.
     
    Brin is too busy organizing carbon-spewing celebrity confabs on climate-change (from The London Daily Mail - America's Paper of Record):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7311015/Google-splashes-20million-Italian-climate-change-party.html
  21. @Bill P
    Sundar Pichai can't be too stupid to understand that the PLA is an arm of the Communist Party, with which Pichai is agreeing to share technology by engaging in a joint venture in Beijing. No, he's not stupid: he's a liar and probably a traitor. It wouldn't surprise me if, in fact, it wasn't so much the decision of Google employees not to do business with the Pentagon, but rather pressure and bribes from the CCP itself that led to the decision to work for them instead. The excuse that the employees made the choice sounds just a little too convenient.

    An investigation is definitely in order here.

    AI combined with 5g technology can give armies enormous tactical advantages in the fog of war. Remember our "smart bombs" from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It's an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.

    Remember our “smart bombs” from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It’s an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.

    Insert joke about Skynet becoming self-aware here.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    One of the real dangers here, and it's no joke at all, is that proliferation of this tech provides more incentives and justification for the use of nuclear weapons.

    First, its lethality may provoke a nuclear response. Secondly, radiological weapons are one of the few effective defenses against it.
  22. these tools are nevertheless valuable to any army — to gain an intelligence advantage, for example, or to penetrate defenses in the relatively new theater of cyberwarfare

    …or to read the catcher’s signals from the visitors’ bullpen.

  23. In the 1950s, the cliché was that “what’s good for General Motors is good for the country.”

    Though, actually, that flips the meaning of what CEO Charles E Wilson told Congress on its head.

    Kind of like Marie Antoinette being accused of a cruel quip said (if at all) by another queen.

    Misquotes and misattributions are not necessarily mistakes. They can be tactics, as well.

    • Replies: @Erik L
    One of my pet peeves in the internet age is neglecting to attribute quotes to the people who said them and instead writing "...the cliche was..." or "...as people often say...". It is the height of laziness when a quick Google search would show you who said it (and you'd learn something! as I did when I Googled this quote).

    It may be a side effect of what I assume to be a near complete lack of editors in the internet age. When I was a kid I used to wonder what editors did. Now I get it.
  24. Theil is toast now. Standing up for America is unforgivable. SJW and China will Tiananmen Square him. And Hong Kong.

  25. @Hopscotch
    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    Page and Brin have “checked out” not just from Google, but perhaps this space time continuum for about half a decade.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    These guys have got to be the least impressive baronial leaders of any society in history. They wouldn't have got jobs as squires in William the Conqueror's day. The longer they remain in these positions the worse the outcome will be.
  26. @Moses
    I used to work in Silicon Valley.

    A HUGE number of engineers there are Chinese and Indians on H1-B visas. Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they're basically cheap indentured servants.

    Why is Google helping the Chinese military whilst refusing to help the Pentagon?

    Easy.

    It's because a huge number of Google employers are actual Chinese. They are loyal to China and the CCP.

    Even if they get US passports eventually, make no mistake they are loyal to their home country and racial group.

    Google has been penetrated by Chinese intelligence up and down.

    The rest of Google is so "cosmopolitan" that they believe this is "enlightened, global citizen" behavior.

    Treasonous.

    Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they’re basically cheap indentured servants.

    That was true in the past. Today, Chinese and Indians are hired because most of the engineers already there, including the first-line managers, are Chinese and Indians. And they simply prefer to work with their own.

    Google, Facebook and Apple still have a lot of Euro-American employees. But at the lower tiers of visibility and prestige, the younger engineers are overwhelmingly, sometimes exclusively, from Asia.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
    "Today, Chinese and Indians are hired because most of the engineers already there, including the first-line managers, are Chinese and Indians."

    Not at Google, which still boasts quite a few white managers. IBM, Intel, NVidia, sure.

    I'd say you are right that the junior hires are mostly Indians and Chinese these days, although they desperately try to pack in women of any race. However, except for very dedicated software teams working on pretty abstract stuff, you aren't going to find a ton of Chinese managers period. Indians, to some extent, but not Chinese.

    Google's security, privacy, trust+safety, biomed (verily), city science (sidewalk), and AI are heavily white in terms of both management and engineering.

    Indians do indeed prefer their own, and they aren't shy about it.
  27. How long until he is called out for his ‘dog whistle’ by using the word cosmopolitan?

  28. @R.G. Camara

    Remember our “smart bombs” from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It’s an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.
     
    Insert joke about Skynet becoming self-aware here.

    One of the real dangers here, and it’s no joke at all, is that proliferation of this tech provides more incentives and justification for the use of nuclear weapons.

    First, its lethality may provoke a nuclear response. Secondly, radiological weapons are one of the few effective defenses against it.

  29. @Bill P
    Sundar Pichai can't be too stupid to understand that the PLA is an arm of the Communist Party, with which Pichai is agreeing to share technology by engaging in a joint venture in Beijing. No, he's not stupid: he's a liar and probably a traitor. It wouldn't surprise me if, in fact, it wasn't so much the decision of Google employees not to do business with the Pentagon, but rather pressure and bribes from the CCP itself that led to the decision to work for them instead. The excuse that the employees made the choice sounds just a little too convenient.

    An investigation is definitely in order here.

    AI combined with 5g technology can give armies enormous tactical advantages in the fog of war. Remember our "smart bombs" from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It's an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.

    No, he’s not stupid: he’s a liar and probably a traitor.

    To India maybe. Assuming he has any loyalty to the US would be a mistake.

  30. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    So Mexican billionaire NYT mega shareholder Slim has greenlighted this anti-China op-ed? Is Slim feeling Chinese pressure on his bottom line south of the border?

    Thanks to NYT for publishing this. Think it’s the first time I’ve had that reaction to any article from them that Steve has blogged.

    Maybe the tide is actually turning! Official plutocrat Judeo-American policy is Russia BAD, China GOOD …no matter what. Have the neocons/neolibs lost the Times?

    We should’ve triangulated with Russia against China starting ten years ago at least. But American Jewish donors and intellectuals prevented that obvious strategic necessity. So here we are finally resisting the China octopus after twenty years of SELLOUT.

    • Replies: @Lot
    "So Mexican billionaire NYT mega shareholder Slim has greenlighted this anti-China op-ed?"

    Slim does not control the NYT. He gave them a loan when the capital markets were closed during the financial crisis. I am sure they are greatful for that. The Ochs-Sulzberger family owns 88% of the class B shares that allow the actual running of the company. The company is plenty profitable now, and does not need additional outside financing.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    We should’ve triangulated with Russia against China starting ten years ago at least.

    The problem is that the current Russian ruling class has no interest in such an alliance. Putin sees the US as the number one threat to Russia, due to its overwhelming economic power and deleterious cultural influence. Personally I think the Russian leadership still views China through an outdated Soviet era lens when the Russians were the “Big Brother” in the relationship. But Putin seems to feel he can manage China and certainly no one in China cares if Putin invades Ukraine, shoots demonstrators or hides assets overseas.
    , @Barnard
    Slim sold half his stake in the Times two years ago, he currently owns 9% assuming no changes have happened since then. They aren't going to run anything negative on him, but he doesn't have a total veto on what they print.
  31. @JohnnyWalker123
    If you read about these type of topics, it's amazing how much of technological edge China is gaining over America. It won't be long before China surpasses the United States. Right before our eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_T7iwBo0o

    People say America shouldn't worry because China is the next Japan. Just like Japan fizzled out in the early 90s, supposedly China is going to lose steam soon.

    That's completely incorrect analysis. China's population is 10x larger than Japan. Also remember China is still early in its development. When it becomes a full-fledged first world nation, imagine how economically and technologically dominant China will be in the future.

    America is too busy being woke to worry about no edumacation, that’s for Indian and Asian kids. America is deeply dysfunctional.

    My mother extolled the virtue of keeping one’s standards even at the peril of not fitting in for once you abandon your set of standards, you’re no better than the rest. The west is a culture with no standards except that of the lowest common denominator. Too afraid of excellence, we dumb ourselves down foolishly believing it raises others up.

    We shy away from intellectual pursuits towards passive consumption of tv, music, and sportsball. In China, kids read poetry, learn instruments, and study whilst in the West they look at memes, listen to homicidal and antisocial rap music, and stay current with gossip on twitter. It’s no wonder that the future belongs to the East and not to indolent, unindustrious Westerners.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    In China, kids read poetry, learn instruments, and study

    Hah! A small percentage of elite Chinese kids do that, the same as most children in elite white/Jewish US suburbs. The majority of Chinese kids are wasting time on smart phones, going through the drudgery of copying Chinese characters by hand for hours and the only musical education they get is Karaoke. Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.
    , @stillCARealist
    I'm currently in an orchestra camp with lots of talented Asian/White kids. They enjoy the break times by playing video game tournaments and watching stupid stuff on YouTube. Their musical tastes are quite broad, it's true, but rap and hip-hop are okey-dokey with them.

    If there's any literature/poetry/calculus/studying, I ain't seen it yet.
  32. @International Jew

    Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they’re basically cheap indentured servants.
     
    That was true in the past. Today, Chinese and Indians are hired because most of the engineers already there, including the first-line managers, are Chinese and Indians. And they simply prefer to work with their own.

    Google, Facebook and Apple still have a lot of Euro-American employees. But at the lower tiers of visibility and prestige, the younger engineers are overwhelmingly, sometimes exclusively, from Asia.

    “Today, Chinese and Indians are hired because most of the engineers already there, including the first-line managers, are Chinese and Indians.”

    Not at Google, which still boasts quite a few white managers. IBM, Intel, NVidia, sure.

    I’d say you are right that the junior hires are mostly Indians and Chinese these days, although they desperately try to pack in women of any race. However, except for very dedicated software teams working on pretty abstract stuff, you aren’t going to find a ton of Chinese managers period. Indians, to some extent, but not Chinese.

    Google’s security, privacy, trust+safety, biomed (verily), city science (sidewalk), and AI are heavily white in terms of both management and engineering.

    Indians do indeed prefer their own, and they aren’t shy about it.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    "heavily white" = Jewish or Bendover Backwards Useful Idiot Shabbos Goy.
  33. @Moses
    I used to work in Silicon Valley.

    A HUGE number of engineers there are Chinese and Indians on H1-B visas. Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they're basically cheap indentured servants.

    Why is Google helping the Chinese military whilst refusing to help the Pentagon?

    Easy.

    It's because a huge number of Google employers are actual Chinese. They are loyal to China and the CCP.

    Even if they get US passports eventually, make no mistake they are loyal to their home country and racial group.

    Google has been penetrated by Chinese intelligence up and down.

    The rest of Google is so "cosmopolitan" that they believe this is "enlightened, global citizen" behavior.

    Treasonous.

    “A HUGE number of engineers there are Chinese and Indians on H1-B visas. Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they’re basically cheap indentured servants.”

    They are more compliant, and they have a harder time switching jobs. They also don’t complain and push politis at work.

    “It’s because a huge number of Google employers are actual Chinese. They are loyal to China and the CCP.”

    I think most americans don’t understand the attitude of foreign workers. they have no long term stake in the country at all. Most of them are here for the salary and then they’ll head off somewhere else to retire.

    “Even if they get US passports eventually, make no mistake they are loyal to their home country and racial group.”

    Even if they aren’t loyal, the Party can still pressure them for information. Having said that, China is so strong on research these days that even Google is not going to be a treasure trove of secrets.

    “The rest of Google is so “cosmopolitan” that they believe this is “enlightened, global citizen” behavior.”

    That’s because Google is run by a tribe that has been referred to as ‘rootless cosmopolitans’. How can we criticize the Chinese for spying and infiltrating America when the Jews beat them to it by centuries?

  34. I thought the rule is that the first adopter of any new technology is the porn industry. Is he telling us it’s the military?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    The porn industry is only an early adopter of video recording, transmission and maybe payment technologies, I don't think the genetics revolution has been adopted for example.

    The comments on that NYT piece are depressing, ignoring what he's saying because "Thiel Is A Bad Man".
  35. This is not a good article.

    Instead of being heavy on low-grade pulpit rhetoric, it should do analysis.

    At its core, artificial intelligence is a military technology.

    I guess at its core, medical technology is a military technology, too. So is metalworking. Do I really need to read on??

    A few years after the Cold War ended, American leaders started treating China the way they had treated West Germany and Japan. We tolerated punishing trade deficits in the 1970s and 1980s to support those two allies, and we had strategic reasons to do it.

    Complete bollocks. The US has trade deficits with China (or whoever else) because it’s the easy way to get lots of gimmicks from China (or whoever else) fast. And why not. One would expect the exchange of goods to stabilize “naturally” as the way to pay for foreign goods dries up and the dollar deprecates significantly. But apparently that doesn’t happen. Something to do with printing presses I reckon.

  36. Not attempting the “Who, Whom” analysis on Peter Thiel, eh, Steve? Cause he’s saying things you like?

    Look closer. Perhaps his recent conversion to nationalism and protectionism stands to make him a sizeable fortune? After all, wasn’t he trying not too long ago to establish “independent” maritime corporations? And he obtained dual citizenship in New Zealand?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Better late than never.
    , @Digital Samizdat

    Perhaps his recent conversion to nationalism and protectionism stands to make him a sizeable fortune?
     
    I'm not authorized to speak for Steve, but as for me: I don't mind somebody enriching themself, so long as they are enriching the country, too. Henry Ford did OK for himself; would anyone here consider him to be a 'cosmopolitan parasite'?
  37. I recently noticed and posted on my blog about an NY-Boston-City of London-Israeli law firm named ZAG-Sullivan advertising in the Jerusalem Post about how they can help Israeli companies basically get around their ally Donald Trump’s boycott of China and no doubt sale stolen American
    tech to China from Israel and thus eliminate the U.S. altogether just as Israel no doubt does for the Russian government and Putin while America goes broker subsidizing a Russian Jewish colony in Palestine or Israel. Trump knows that the Arabs he claimed were celebrating in NJ after 9/11 were really Israelis from a fake moving van company and their boss,after fleeing back to Israel after his Israeli illegal employees were temporarily arrested that day,eventually returned to the U.S. and as you can see in my blog and various others,has been employed by both Google and Microsoft in California !
    Of course Amazon’s Bezos is also beholden to and was made by Wall Street which is in turn beholden to the Zionist City of London and thus to Israel as well. So is Putin with his Chabad Lubavitch and thus Mossad connections. I wonder what Mr. Thiel has to say about Israel ?

    https://politicalandsciencerhymes.blogspot.com/2019/07/911google-part-of-israeli.html

    9/11:Google Part Of Israeli Military,Defrauds U.S. Tapayers Who Funded It

    With nearly 6 million Americans unemployed and regular bouts of layoffs in the U.S. tech industry, major American tech companies like Google, Microsoft and Intel Corporation are nonetheless moving key operations, billions in investments, and thousands of jobs to Israel — a trend that has largely escaped media attention or concern from even “America first” politicians. The fact that this massive transfer of investment and jobs has been so overlooked is particularly striking given that it is largely the work of a single leading neoconservative Republican donor who has given millions of dollars to President Donald Trump.

    To make matters worse, many of these top tech companies shifting investment and jobs to Israel at record rates continue to collect sizable U.S. government subsidies for their operations while they move critical aspects of their business abroad, continue to layoff thousands of American workers, and struggle to house their growing company branches in Israel. This is particularly troubling in light of the importance of the tech sector to the overall U.S. economy, as it accounts for 7.1 percent of total GDP and 11.6 percent of total private-sector payroll.

    Furthermore, many of these companies are hiring members of controversial Israeli companies — known to have spied on Americans, American companies, and U.S. federal agencies — as well as numerous members of Israeli military intelligence as top managers and executives. – Whitney Webb

    Note the IT or Internet tech company Carbyne 9/11 is an investment of Russian-American-Israeli Google billionaire Sergey Brin’s pedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein and is controlled by ex Israeli PM and apartheidist murderer of innocent Palestinians Ehud Barak who has also been photographed sneaking into Epstein’s NY apartment. Google and Sergey Brin’s support of his company will make him many millions of dollars and further support Israeli illegal occupation of and terrorism on Palestinian lands while increasing IT JOBS IN ISRAEL while Americans lose their jobs and internet technology skills.Note also below the Carbyne news link Google is generously offering American taxpayer money it has stolen as well as money from selling Google and youtube shares to Americans that it uses to censor them to invest in ‘UP TO 6000 ISRAELI STARTUPS’ ! And on top of it all most new immigrants and Jewish occupiers of Palestinian lands are from Russia so Trump and Congess is in effect forcing looted Americans to subsidize Russian immigrants-occupiers in Israel ! After Israeli involvement in 9/11 on September 11,2001 by way of their control of Logan Airport as well as crucial IT companies involved in failed security on that day an Israeli company such as Carbyne should certainly be banned from operating in the U.S…….

  38. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    The opinion piece starts off strong saying that Google’s AI intellectual property is dual use military technology, and then it sort of peters out with general criticism of Google.

    He should have continued the military argument, saying:

    — Congress, via legislation, or Trump via an executive order, should shut down the Google lab in China,

    — Report the names of all Chinese employees in Google labs in China

    — And at Google in the US,

    — Spin off AI divisions into separate companies, same for other companies,

    — Nationalize AI patents,

    — Make patent applications for AI secret as crypto used to be,

    — Mandatory military cooperation,

    — Military to determine security clearance policies,

    — And so on

    Would this work? Is it legal? It would surely “start a conversation,” and the Democratic presidential candidates might jump in, since anti-Asia bigotry is the one acceptable bigotry of the left.

    Trump should get Thiel and others drafting an executive order while he gives Congress a month to propose something. The executive order could be some crazy Green New Deal sloppy nonsense, and it wouldn’t matter. His enemies would be on the defensive.

  39. I’ve always found Thiel’s complaints about Google a bit misplaced. It’s not as if the military in the US has no power or agency and needs Silicone Valley oligarchs to push for its interests. And surely it is the military who would understand best which technologies should not be shared with rivals. Just as Google is penetrated by hordes of Chinese nationals, Google may also be penetrated by Deep State actors who could be sabotaging the tech that is given to China. I’m happy Thiel is hurting Google’s brand with the domestic market but I would leave it up to the military to decide which technology should not be shared.

    • Replies: @Anon

    Just as Google is penetrated by hordes of Chinese nationals, Google may also be penetrated by Deep State actors who could be sabotaging the tech that is given to China.
     
    This sounds crazy to me, and it doesn't reflect how things really work. One guy in the exact job where he can sabotage software in a way that nobody at Google nor in China would notice? There have been some allegations about the NSA sabotaging software, but most don't hold water, and they involve contributions to open source software and standards organizations. On the other hand, the CIA has physically sabotaged network hardware going to sensitive customers, but by intercepting it in shipment, not within Cisco according to the Snowden documents.
    , @everybodyhatesscott
    The military who has gone full woke on trannies? Yeah, let's trust them.
  40. @Anonymous
    So Mexican billionaire NYT mega shareholder Slim has greenlighted this anti-China op-ed? Is Slim feeling Chinese pressure on his bottom line south of the border?

    Thanks to NYT for publishing this. Think it's the first time I've had that reaction to any article from them that Steve has blogged.

    Maybe the tide is actually turning! Official plutocrat Judeo-American policy is Russia BAD, China GOOD ...no matter what. Have the neocons/neolibs lost the Times?

    We should've triangulated with Russia against China starting ten years ago at least. But American Jewish donors and intellectuals prevented that obvious strategic necessity. So here we are finally resisting the China octopus after twenty years of SELLOUT.

    “So Mexican billionaire NYT mega shareholder Slim has greenlighted this anti-China op-ed?”

    Slim does not control the NYT. He gave them a loan when the capital markets were closed during the financial crisis. I am sure they are greatful for that. The Ochs-Sulzberger family owns 88% of the class B shares that allow the actual running of the company. The company is plenty profitable now, and does not need additional outside financing.

  41. @Clifford Brown
    Page and Brin have "checked out" not just from Google, but perhaps this space time continuum for about half a decade.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0tPn6NaiqE

    These guys have got to be the least impressive baronial leaders of any society in history. They wouldn’t have got jobs as squires in William the Conqueror’s day. The longer they remain in these positions the worse the outcome will be.

  42. @JohnnyWalker123
    If you read about these type of topics, it's amazing how much of technological edge China is gaining over America. It won't be long before China surpasses the United States. Right before our eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_T7iwBo0o

    People say America shouldn't worry because China is the next Japan. Just like Japan fizzled out in the early 90s, supposedly China is going to lose steam soon.

    That's completely incorrect analysis. China's population is 10x larger than Japan. Also remember China is still early in its development. When it becomes a full-fledged first world nation, imagine how economically and technologically dominant China will be in the future.

    China subsidizes 5g because it is a visible and prestige industry, and because it enables spying.

    If they want to get a lead in this, so what? They will have faster cell phone data speeds for a few years?

    There is no “Global 5g Race” of any importance the USA is “lagging.” I’m not watching that Bloomberg corporate propaganda video, but I’ll bet the “Akoustis Technologies CEO” they have on there is whining the American government isn’t subsidizing his company like China and Huawei.

    Thiel has the right idea: AI is much more important. 5G is as unimportant to the USA as having a bunch of 200MPH passanger trains.

    To the extent there is any worrying tech lag we have with China, it is in genetic engineering.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    Note they are still stealing GMO seeds to reverse-engineer, though. How much of their "edge" is doing things we don't do because of ethical considerations?
    , @snorlax
    If China has faster 5G, the US and/or foreign countries will adopt Chinese 5G technology, which means China will be able to spy on most global communications, and therefore be able to steal all forms of proprietary technology and to blackmail anyone in a position of power.
  43. Military applications of AI are interesting and possibly dangerous to humankind, but AI, like the Internet, will only take off and become both useful and popular once it is applied to porn and sex.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    AI, like the Internet, will only take off and become both useful and popular once it is applied to porn and sex.
     
    I certainly hope so!
  44. @Achmed E. Newman
    I couldn't agree more with Mr. Thiel's essay, both the history and his opinion of the Goolag.

    BTW, I didn't know Google improves lives. Via search? Really? I could see better living through chemistry, but not through search algorithms

    BTW, I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search? Really? I could see better living through chemistry, but not through search algorithms.

    Did you not see this example of how Google wants to make our lives better?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    This Epstein guy is pretty good. Tucker has him on from time to time as well as Thiel.
  45. @Achmed E. Newman
    I couldn't agree more with Mr. Thiel's essay, both the history and his opinion of the Goolag.

    BTW, I didn't know Google improves lives. Via search? Really? I could see better living through chemistry, but not through search algorithms

    “I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search?”

    Google search peaked around the early-mid 2000s. It’s been getting worse for more than ten years, as it attempts to answer the search it thinks you’ve asked for, rather than the search you typed in.

    And that’s before we come to the political meddling in what’s returned.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I agree with you. I remember that 20 years ago, finding the right site was pretty tough, but one of the crowd (Altavista, maybe?) was my favorite for a while, but then Google came along and did do a much better job than all the rest. Now, over the last 10 years, there's too much noise among the answers I want. Then again, finding a local phone number has gotten harder (though bing.com works well for that), and zillow went all to shit, as far as scrolling around the area looking at property info., etc., etc. Nothing good on-line lasts very long ...
  46. @JohnnyWalker123
    If you read about these type of topics, it's amazing how much of technological edge China is gaining over America. It won't be long before China surpasses the United States. Right before our eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_T7iwBo0o

    People say America shouldn't worry because China is the next Japan. Just like Japan fizzled out in the early 90s, supposedly China is going to lose steam soon.

    That's completely incorrect analysis. China's population is 10x larger than Japan. Also remember China is still early in its development. When it becomes a full-fledged first world nation, imagine how economically and technologically dominant China will be in the future.

    I don’t understand your arguments. Sure, China is more populous & is early in its development. But, the central downsizes remain, or are even more pronounced:

    1. these are too ethnically/racially/culturally individualized & “autistic”countries to become world leaders in most areas. In short, they’re too foreign to the rest of the world.

    2. they basically mind their own business & have no interest in the rest of the world, and contemporary power is inextricably interwoven with one’s ties with the global world

    3. they are culturally invisible, and even in science & technology fields, this is a fatal flaw

    4. China has yet her major troubles (national, class) to meet, her problems are just becoming visible. Imagine Uyghur troubles multiplied by 100000

    So, I’m not convinced that population & early rise mean something crucial re this matter.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Bardon:

    1) They have 1.4 Billion people, just in their country, but just as importantly, millions of people all around the world (I'd guess 5 million just in the US, when you include illegals).

    2) It's not about military posturing and that. It's the economy, 脑残! (No offense personally, Barton, just as the phrase was meant in the 1992 pres. campaign) China manufactures for the world now, and America is on the road to being a colony (a supplier of raw lumber and grain) of China, economically, as Australia is now.

    3) Who cares about the culture? Spreading your defective culture around, as America does at present, doesn't make for a strong country.

    4) How would they possibly have 100,000 times as many Uighurs as they do now? They are pretty much overrunning these people out of existence.

    Johnny Walker is right this time. This is no late 1980's Japan here. He's only wrong in that China already HAS surpassed us in a lot of areas, especially with building of infrastructure.
    , @anon
    I'm reminded that someone pointed out, oh, 30 years ago when everyone "knew" Japan would displace the USA, that Japan could never be a regional leader: it had invaded and oppressed every other Asian nation, including China, and was universally hated.
  47. @Anonymous
    So Mexican billionaire NYT mega shareholder Slim has greenlighted this anti-China op-ed? Is Slim feeling Chinese pressure on his bottom line south of the border?

    Thanks to NYT for publishing this. Think it's the first time I've had that reaction to any article from them that Steve has blogged.

    Maybe the tide is actually turning! Official plutocrat Judeo-American policy is Russia BAD, China GOOD ...no matter what. Have the neocons/neolibs lost the Times?

    We should've triangulated with Russia against China starting ten years ago at least. But American Jewish donors and intellectuals prevented that obvious strategic necessity. So here we are finally resisting the China octopus after twenty years of SELLOUT.

    We should’ve triangulated with Russia against China starting ten years ago at least.

    The problem is that the current Russian ruling class has no interest in such an alliance. Putin sees the US as the number one threat to Russia, due to its overwhelming economic power and deleterious cultural influence. Personally I think the Russian leadership still views China through an outdated Soviet era lens when the Russians were the “Big Brother” in the relationship. But Putin seems to feel he can manage China and certainly no one in China cares if Putin invades Ukraine, shoots demonstrators or hides assets overseas.

  48. @Macumazahn
    These people have one loyalty: loyalty to their own avarice. Nothing else matters to them.

    Not sure. If only that were true, it would be better than Google’s current priorities.

    If Google’s top management were focused solely on avarice — i.e., profit maximization and/or long-term shareholder value — would they have cancelled the Pentagon contract?

    I think we are in an era where evil greedy corporations now hold certain values that are more important than the bottom line. That is certainly true in pockets of the media and entertainment businesses, and it’s infecting every other sector too.

    • Replies: @Macumazahn
    NPC-world is an ideal environment to maximize Google's profits.
    Diversity of thought is troublesome for Google's business model.
  49. @Imper-v-ious
    America is too busy being woke to worry about no edumacation, that’s for Indian and Asian kids. America is deeply dysfunctional.

    My mother extolled the virtue of keeping one’s standards even at the peril of not fitting in for once you abandon your set of standards, you’re no better than the rest. The west is a culture with no standards except that of the lowest common denominator. Too afraid of excellence, we dumb ourselves down foolishly believing it raises others up.

    We shy away from intellectual pursuits towards passive consumption of tv, music, and sportsball. In China, kids read poetry, learn instruments, and study whilst in the West they look at memes, listen to homicidal and antisocial rap music, and stay current with gossip on twitter. It’s no wonder that the future belongs to the East and not to indolent, unindustrious Westerners.

    In China, kids read poetry, learn instruments, and study

    Hah! A small percentage of elite Chinese kids do that, the same as most children in elite white/Jewish US suburbs. The majority of Chinese kids are wasting time on smart phones, going through the drudgery of copying Chinese characters by hand for hours and the only musical education they get is Karaoke. Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @megabar
    > Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.

    Intrestingly, I have read the opposite viewpoint as well. That the best-of-the-best Chinese wunderkinds get prestigious jobs in China, and it's the second tier who come to the US.

    I have no idea which view is the more correct.
  50. “Lessons For America From India’s War Against Muslim Illegal Migrants”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-01/lessons-america-indias-war-against-muslim-illegal-migrants

    “They said it couldn’t be done!” (L&M Cigarette commercial, a long time ago).

    Ever notice that Google/Alphabet _claims_ to do new things, but has actually done only its search engine, which is looking kind of old, and is duplicated in its more important functions by duckduckgo.com?

    Counterinsurgency

  51. “If you’re working in China, you don’t know whether you’re working on a project for the military or not.”

    Isn’t that true for pretty much any country, including the USA?

  52. @Hopscotch
    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    Yes. Pichai is just the chief capo water-carrier for Larry and Sergey. Hired help.

  53. @Ibound1
    Multinational corporations are just that - multinational. Their motive is profit maximization. They exist because the state allows limited liability - something you personally do not have and it’s the state’s job to control them, not just to lower their tax rates. The GOP with their fixation on the stock market, missed what was happening. They more than anyone allowed the formation of these SJW behemoths filling up our cities with their low wage H1Bs, moving their revenue to the Cayman Islands, spying on us, all while lecturing us on transgender rights. Happy GOP?

    The GOP with their fixation on the stock market, missed what was happening. They more than anyone allowed the formation of these SJW behemoths filling up our cities with their low wage H1Bs, moving their revenue to the Cayman Islands, spying on us, all while lecturing us on transgender rights. Happy GOP?

    Which GOP are you talking about? If you mean the average working man who votes Republican, then, yes, he more-than-likely “missed what was happening” as you describe it and he is not happy with the results. If, however, you mean the leadership/party bosses of the GOP establishment, then I would say that the assessment is inverted: they are indeed happy with what you describe because it was the plan all along; they missed nothing.

    Am I wrong?

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    I would say the Bush family GOP is indeed very happy with the results. I would say that the Stephen Miller GOP is not.
  54. @Anon
    I thought the rule is that the first adopter of any new technology is the porn industry. Is he telling us it's the military?

    The porn industry is only an early adopter of video recording, transmission and maybe payment technologies, I don’t think the genetics revolution has been adopted for example.

    The comments on that NYT piece are depressing, ignoring what he’s saying because “Thiel Is A Bad Man”.

  55. Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Torn and Frayed
    I've always found Thiel's complaints about Google a bit misplaced. It's not as if the military in the US has no power or agency and needs Silicone Valley oligarchs to push for its interests. And surely it is the military who would understand best which technologies should not be shared with rivals. Just as Google is penetrated by hordes of Chinese nationals, Google may also be penetrated by Deep State actors who could be sabotaging the tech that is given to China. I'm happy Thiel is hurting Google's brand with the domestic market but I would leave it up to the military to decide which technology should not be shared.

    Just as Google is penetrated by hordes of Chinese nationals, Google may also be penetrated by Deep State actors who could be sabotaging the tech that is given to China.

    This sounds crazy to me, and it doesn’t reflect how things really work. One guy in the exact job where he can sabotage software in a way that nobody at Google nor in China would notice? There have been some allegations about the NSA sabotaging software, but most don’t hold water, and they involve contributions to open source software and standards organizations. On the other hand, the CIA has physically sabotaged network hardware going to sensitive customers, but by intercepting it in shipment, not within Cisco according to the Snowden documents.

  56. @EdwardM
    Not sure. If only that were true, it would be better than Google's current priorities.

    If Google's top management were focused solely on avarice -- i.e., profit maximization and/or long-term shareholder value -- would they have cancelled the Pentagon contract?

    I think we are in an era where evil greedy corporations now hold certain values that are more important than the bottom line. That is certainly true in pockets of the media and entertainment businesses, and it's infecting every other sector too.

    NPC-world is an ideal environment to maximize Google’s profits.
    Diversity of thought is troublesome for Google’s business model.

  57. @Numinous
    Not attempting the "Who, Whom" analysis on Peter Thiel, eh, Steve? Cause he's saying things you like?

    Look closer. Perhaps his recent conversion to nationalism and protectionism stands to make him a sizeable fortune? After all, wasn't he trying not too long ago to establish "independent" maritime corporations? And he obtained dual citizenship in New Zealand?

    Better late than never.

  58. @Lot
    China subsidizes 5g because it is a visible and prestige industry, and because it enables spying.

    If they want to get a lead in this, so what? They will have faster cell phone data speeds for a few years?

    There is no "Global 5g Race" of any importance the USA is "lagging." I'm not watching that Bloomberg corporate propaganda video, but I'll bet the "Akoustis Technologies CEO" they have on there is whining the American government isn't subsidizing his company like China and Huawei.

    Thiel has the right idea: AI is much more important. 5G is as unimportant to the USA as having a bunch of 200MPH passanger trains.

    To the extent there is any worrying tech lag we have with China, it is in genetic engineering.

    Note they are still stealing GMO seeds to reverse-engineer, though. How much of their “edge” is doing things we don’t do because of ethical considerations?

  59. Here’s what Thiel has to say in Israel at the Peres Center for Peace and Innovation in 2016 when he arrived to check out his Israeli investments at that time.As some have said so correctly,had the Nazis won WW II the Zionists would now have streets and statues honoring Hitler just as they have for the Rothschilds. Idi Amin was a graduate of their military training in Golda Meir’s regime.Why don’t they have an Idi Amin Center for Peace and Innovation ? May all your short lived AI’S be fior war.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/paypal-founder-in-israel-not-enough-innovation-in-high-tech-1.5484436

    PayPal Founder in Israel: Too Much Copying and Not Enough Innovation in High-tech
    Billionaire Peter Thiel visits Israel – and gives out tips on how to build a successful startup…….

    Billionaire and high-tech entrepreneur Peter Thiel arrived in Israel Tuesday to speak to a small, select audience of entrepreneurs and others from the Israeli high-tech industry at the Peres Center for Peace and Innovation in Tel Aviv-Jaffa.

    The best example of a successful technology company is Google, a search monopoly without competitors, he told the audience. His speech focused on the book he wrote in 2014: “Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future,” which has become required reading for high-tech entrepreneurs all over the globe.

    Thiel has come to Israel to visit the companies he owns and the startups his funds have invested in, say sources in the high-tech industry.

    The main point of the book concerns the importance for companies to move from “zero to one,” that is, when they answer a need and create something that did not exist before. According to Thiel, the minute you reach “one” it is possible to reproduce this success infinitely. He believes the future can be shaped, but to do so it is first necessary to plan how the future will look……….

  60. @JohnnyWalker123
    If you read about these type of topics, it's amazing how much of technological edge China is gaining over America. It won't be long before China surpasses the United States. Right before our eyes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO_T7iwBo0o

    People say America shouldn't worry because China is the next Japan. Just like Japan fizzled out in the early 90s, supposedly China is going to lose steam soon.

    That's completely incorrect analysis. China's population is 10x larger than Japan. Also remember China is still early in its development. When it becomes a full-fledged first world nation, imagine how economically and technologically dominant China will be in the future.

    Yup. And unlike Japan, China is not somebody else’s vassal state; China is a superpower.

  61. @Chiron
    If Google don’t gets the JEDI contract is gonna go to a Israeli company that supported Trump and the Israelis have already sold US military tech to China anyway, you may hate Bezos but he is one the few American tech billionaires that isn’t beholden directly to Zionism or the Jewish elite. That sort of explain why he gets attacked so much in the media, even on the “liberal” NYT.

    Oh, wow. Bezos employs his own personal trolls now? You mean, owning the Langley Post isn’t enough by itself?

  62. @Ibound1
    Multinational corporations are just that - multinational. Their motive is profit maximization. They exist because the state allows limited liability - something you personally do not have and it’s the state’s job to control them, not just to lower their tax rates. The GOP with their fixation on the stock market, missed what was happening. They more than anyone allowed the formation of these SJW behemoths filling up our cities with their low wage H1Bs, moving their revenue to the Cayman Islands, spying on us, all while lecturing us on transgender rights. Happy GOP?

    +1000 Agrees. (I already used up my button for the hour.)

  63. @Numinous
    Not attempting the "Who, Whom" analysis on Peter Thiel, eh, Steve? Cause he's saying things you like?

    Look closer. Perhaps his recent conversion to nationalism and protectionism stands to make him a sizeable fortune? After all, wasn't he trying not too long ago to establish "independent" maritime corporations? And he obtained dual citizenship in New Zealand?

    Perhaps his recent conversion to nationalism and protectionism stands to make him a sizeable fortune?

    I’m not authorized to speak for Steve, but as for me: I don’t mind somebody enriching themself, so long as they are enriching the country, too. Henry Ford did OK for himself; would anyone here consider him to be a ‘cosmopolitan parasite’?

  64. First, kudos to Thiel.

    Second, Steve, iSteve readers, and Unz.com commenters aren’t going to like this, but we should strike first, as soon as possible, and with full commitment. We should’ve been working much harder to destabilize China decades ago. Unfortunately, that opportunity is past.

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.

    Although I agree with much of the anti-imperialist sentiment promoted on Unz.com, refusal to use military force in all cases is foolish. Even criticisms of “nation building” need to be made in light of HBD. Our endgame in China should be what we did not seek in Iraq (and what I suggested doing there years ago). That is, rather than a “democratic” centralized government, we should aim to destroy hegemony and let the Chinese empire break into ethnic enclaves. Even if we destroyed our own military capacity and ability to intervene in other parts of the world, that would be a price worth paying to destroy the PLA and break the Chinese Communists’ control of Asia.

    If we don’t act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.

    • Agree: snorlax
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    China has good targets for destabilization, too: the economy's already stalled, the government's getting harsher specifically to accommodate this, and many regions of China (not even necessarily ethnically distinct ones either) are potentially separatist. The thing is, the central government is very good on those questions it cares about, and they care about destabilization more than anything.
    , @L Woods
    (Tentatively) agree. The destruction of China would be a vastly more prudent use of force than running around the desert forcing feminism on cavemen.
    , @snorlax

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.
     
    Well said. It is the gravest such external state threat[1] the USA, Anglo civilization and humanity itself has ever faced; almost infinitely worse than Nazi Germany or the Soviets, neither of whom ever stood much of a chance of winning, whereas now it is we who appear destined to lose, to an opponent who will not be remotely as magnanimous in victory as we were, or possibly even than the Nazis or Soviets would have.

    By far the worst foreign policy blunder in American history, perhaps even the worst foreign policy blunder by any country ever,[2] was the decade-long campaign of Gen. Stilwell, the FDR/Truman administration and the communist-sympathizing "China hands" to sabotage Chiang's Nationalist regime in favor of Mao's Communists.[3]

    Even accepting for the sake of argument the false[ibid., 3] Stilwell / "China hand" propaganda that Chiang couldn't win or Mao couldn't lose, the catastrophic consequences of allowing Mao to win—again, a threat to civilization where, unlike previous threats that were paper tigers, we now appear to be the paper tigers—mean that we would be in a far better off position had we intervened militarily.

    We would still be better off, and these are absurd hypotheticals, if it had required us to suffer tenfold more casualties than in WWII, to use nuclear weapons, or to maintain a military occupation all the way to the present day.

    But since we don't possess a time machine, I agree our only hope is to strike first.

    We need a Manhattan Project[4] to get Reagan's SDI or a ground-based equivalent fully working,[5] and then to act at the earliest opportunity. Right now China's ICBM and SSBN forces are antiquated and small in number,[6] and their military far inferior, but in the very near future that will no longer be the case, so it's now or never. And "never" doesn't imply no war with China; either they're going to strike first or they wait us out like we did the Soviets.

    It's horrifying that that's our least worst option, because it is a truly horrifying option. So maybe it's best just to close our eyes, cross our fingers and hope that once again we receive God's special providence for fools, drunkards and the United States. Thanks a bunch to the sad succession of fifth columnists we've had from Stilwell to Clinton.

    I suppose we can take cold comfort in the fact that it's not much good to prevent our annihilation from without if we can't prevent our annihilation from within.[ibid., 1]

    [1] And just our luck that it comes at the same time we face an even graver domestic threat from extreme leftists and the ever growing (including both the first and second derivatives) hostile immigrant hordes they continue to let in.

    [2] A few other candidates I can think of are:

    The A.D. 602 to 628 Sassanid Persian invasion of the Byzantine Empire, which resulted immediately afterwards in the Muslim conquest and permanent ruination of most of the civilized world, including what were then all the best parts thereof.

    Related to the subject we're discussing, the Nixon/Carter/Clinton policy of empowering the Chinese regime.

    The Spanish-American War, which would in 43 years draw us into conflict with Japan (who would otherwise have taken care of our China problem for us) and would in 19 years start the NAM mass immigration ball rolling when Pres. Wilson granted citizenship to Puerto Ricans.

    WWI, which midwifed Naziism and Communism, including of course Communist China, and permanently broke the power and confidence of Europe. That might be the history's worst foreign policy blunder, but America's share of the blame is a very distant seventh after Russia, Serbia, Germany, Austria, Britain and France, so it's hard to say it's our own worst.

    [3] Joe Alsop's definitive account is an absolute must-read.

    [4] Though perhaps gone are the days where a Manhattan Project could be kept secret. Come to think of it, even the real Manhattan Project was throughly infiltrated by Soviet intelligence.

    [5] If that's even necessary. It's possible that the lack of progress on SDI was a cover story, and in fact it was/is fully working and operational. We know for a fact that the Soviets thought so; the KGB's by a long shot the most effective intelligence agency the world's ever known (Mossad could maybe match or beat them pound for pound, but that's a welterweight against an 800 pound gorilla), so I wouldn't bet against them.

    [6] Meaning we stand a good chance of totally eliminating and a near-certain one of almost totally eliminating their nukes in a first strike, and whatever if anything is left could potentially be handled by our existing AEGIS and Patriot systems, which in turn means the SDI part isn't strictly necessary if it isn't possible within time or secrecy constraints.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If we don’t act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.
     
    Okay, and can you promise this won't be another stupid war? Because all the wars since WWII have been stupid wars. I expect that if you have your way, this will be another stupid war.

    The better bet is that nothing will be done until China thinks it has achieved its goal, and suddenly the charlatans, the profiteers and the imbeciles will have no way to deny the obvious.

    We may rue the day, but Cassandra you are, and Cassandra you will be.
  65. @Mr McKenna
    Google's new motto: "Don't Be Evil--That's Our Job!"

    Google’s new motto simply dropped the “Don’t.”

    • LOL: BB753
  66. @Mr McKenna

    By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good of the country.
     
    If only we had a presidential candidate with this sort of courage and clarity.

    I'm surprised the NYT permitted the sentence to be published.

    I’m surprised they permitted the article to be publish.

    But then, maybe they’re gloating.

    It couldn’t be more obvious that Jewish Supremacy Inc. and China are dividing up the world between them.

    China will get the East. JSI the West (which it already has) and the 3rd world has never presented a problem and will be used for resources and getaway locations.

  67. @jbwilson24
    "Today, Chinese and Indians are hired because most of the engineers already there, including the first-line managers, are Chinese and Indians."

    Not at Google, which still boasts quite a few white managers. IBM, Intel, NVidia, sure.

    I'd say you are right that the junior hires are mostly Indians and Chinese these days, although they desperately try to pack in women of any race. However, except for very dedicated software teams working on pretty abstract stuff, you aren't going to find a ton of Chinese managers period. Indians, to some extent, but not Chinese.

    Google's security, privacy, trust+safety, biomed (verily), city science (sidewalk), and AI are heavily white in terms of both management and engineering.

    Indians do indeed prefer their own, and they aren't shy about it.

    “heavily white” = Jewish or Bendover Backwards Useful Idiot Shabbos Goy.

    • Replies: @Charon
    Who will fervently believe that they are simply righteous GoodWhites.

    The result of decades of programming from all sources.
  68. @Hopscotch
    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    They should both have a short drop and a quick stop for it. In public.

  69. The people who run Google, and many of the rest of the multinational corporations all over the world, don’t give a thought to quaint notions like “Nations”, “sovereignty”, or “liberty”. They don’t believe in those notions, and are quite sure that part of their assignment is ridding to world of them. They don’t much care for people, either, besides those in their own closely regulated clique.

    These are people who will be reckoned with one day. Shall liberty prevail? Uncertain, trending to not so much.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    "These are people who will be reckoned with one day. Shall liberty prevail? Uncertain, trending to not so much."

    If you're right concerning the future of liberty then where's their reckoning going to come from?
    , @Jim Don Bob
    Somewhat OT: Proctor and Gamble wrote down $8 billion with a B dollars off their Gillette brand blaming it on everything but their tranny commercial.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/31/gillettes-toxic-masculinity-ad-haunts-pg-as-shavin/

    I have used Mach 3 blades for years now, but that ends when the current supply is exhausted. I am not giving my money to people who hate me.
  70. Use Duck Duck Go as a search engine.

  71. The coming Jew/Asian global ruling class continues to reveal itself. Elite Jews, knowing they’ve hollowed out Western nations and destroyed them forever via immigration, are steadily forming deep alliances with coming world power China (facilitated greatly via Israeli spying and tech sharing). To a lesser extent they are using loud-mouth, pliable Desi Indians as mouth-pieces to further push open borders and anti-white rhetoric. Jews have the platforms, Indians have the hired poison pens.

    Ultimately, Western nations will be crushed and ruined, with a few possible exceptions like Hungary which will steadily be impoverished by trade blockades and so forth (just wait). China will rule, and lo and behold behind the throne in China you will find just who was there during Mao’s rise: Jews.

    If you just wipe your glasses off for a moment and look at what’s happening right in front of you, you really can’t miss it.

    • Replies: @snorlax

    behind the throne in China you will find just who was there during Mao’s rise: Jews.
     
    It was Tel Aviv on the Huang He.
    , @Hopscotch
    Okay, reality check. Most intelligent Jews ("elite", if you will) silently worry that secular and Reformed Judaism won't even exist in 50 years. They are probably right.

    Israel is becoming demographically swamped with ultra-orthodox, theocratic Haredi Jews, which are projected to be 25-35% of the population in a few decades. For reference, these people are like the Prawns from District 9. They breed like rabbits, averaging 6 kids per family. If the ultra-orthodox hit an electoral tipping point, Israel is done as a first-world country.

    (There is a certain irony that Kushner and Trump, in their desire be friendly to Israel, are basically emboldening the Haredi, who are a bigger threat to Israel than Iran.)

    The same trend holds for the Western World. Reform Jews and secular Jews aren't staying in the Tribe, or are having too few children to prevent their culture from going extinct. In 2-3 generations, Orthodox Jews will be the only ones left.
    , @J.Ross
    Mao did depend on crucial assistance from Soviet agents, some of whom were Russian and some of whom were Jewish, from very early on. There was also a clutch of Jewish international intellectuals in China who cranked out books and articles, and attempted to act as cultural ambassadors to the West, with varying success.
    What's really funny here is that there were also plenty of highly qualified Germans, both helping Mao and sprinkled through Warlord China, and they never made any kind of mark.
  72. @Moses
    I used to work in Silicon Valley.

    A HUGE number of engineers there are Chinese and Indians on H1-B visas. Silicon Valley companies hire them over Americans because they're basically cheap indentured servants.

    Why is Google helping the Chinese military whilst refusing to help the Pentagon?

    Easy.

    It's because a huge number of Google employers are actual Chinese. They are loyal to China and the CCP.

    Even if they get US passports eventually, make no mistake they are loyal to their home country and racial group.

    Google has been penetrated by Chinese intelligence up and down.

    The rest of Google is so "cosmopolitan" that they believe this is "enlightened, global citizen" behavior.

    Treasonous.

    It’s not only about price – do you think Google or Facebook care about price? They just want more, and better engineers, from everywhere in the world.

    • Replies: @bomag

    It’s not only about price – do you think Google or Facebook care about price?
     
    Google overall might not care about price, but the pointy-haired boss running his division uses price as an excuse to load up on foreigners.

    They just want more, and better engineers, from everywhere in the world.
     
    Maybe a few have some chops worth considering, but mostly not. It is quite the public relations coup that Chinese and Indians now get considered the smart guys in a room.

    A large driver of this hiring is the quest for "diversity and inclusion", even if in the long run this does vast damage: in the end we are filling our country with enclaves of nationalities no one wants to copy, but we hired them one person at a time thinking it would not lead to a swamping.
  73. AI is not just a supporting technology for data analysis, with reinforcement learning it can simulate actual warfare, and could control battles (with more hardware). But it can currently compete in realtime strategy games DOTA 2 and Starcraft 2:

  74. We need not worry. According to Godfree Roberts and some others here, China is wonderful.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Hey, don't dox me, bro!

    Yeah, I'll give Mr. Roberts kudos for being polite every time, and I wish I could do the same, but ... he's truly a sackhanger to Chairman Mao. I'm not kidding - go read the threads sometimes in which 2 American Commies will be arguing over which country, the old USSR's or Red China's, 5-year plans were better, and how they stood up to their enemies the Americans, who were embargoing food from them, except during severe famines. It's a scene, man!

    Godfree Roberts is like a 3-time Rip Van Winkle, having woken up after 60 years in a cave in deepest Shanxii, with his little Red Book still by his side.
  75. @Michael Soeren
    It should be enshrined somewhere among the cardinal laws of human nature: any company who begins with "Don't be evil!" as its corporate slogan eventually works for the Communist Party of China.

    “any company who begins with “Don’t be evil!” as its corporate slogan eventually works for the Communist Party of China.”

    And when it does it simply drops the “Don’t.”

  76. @YetAnotherAnon
    "I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search?"

    Google search peaked around the early-mid 2000s. It's been getting worse for more than ten years, as it attempts to answer the search it thinks you've asked for, rather than the search you typed in.

    And that's before we come to the political meddling in what's returned.

    I agree with you. I remember that 20 years ago, finding the right site was pretty tough, but one of the crowd (Altavista, maybe?) was my favorite for a while, but then Google came along and did do a much better job than all the rest. Now, over the last 10 years, there’s too much noise among the answers I want. Then again, finding a local phone number has gotten harder (though bing.com works well for that), and zillow went all to shit, as far as scrolling around the area looking at property info., etc., etc. Nothing good on-line lasts very long …

  77. @Buzz Mohawk
    We need not worry. According to Godfree Roberts and some others here, China is wonderful.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-I9CsH2ZcD_c/Tr8jvMSSu5I/AAAAAAAAAFc/VCShHg25FcY/s1600/Alfred+E+Newman.jpg

    Hey, don’t dox me, bro!

    Yeah, I’ll give Mr. Roberts kudos for being polite every time, and I wish I could do the same, but … he’s truly a sackhanger to Chairman Mao. I’m not kidding – go read the threads sometimes in which 2 American Commies will be arguing over which country, the old USSR’s or Red China’s, 5-year plans were better, and how they stood up to their enemies the Americans, who were embargoing food from them, except during severe famines. It’s a scene, man!

    Godfree Roberts is like a 3-time Rip Van Winkle, having woken up after 60 years in a cave in deepest Shanxii, with his little Red Book still by his side.

  78. @Mr McKenna

    By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good of the country.
     
    If only we had a presidential candidate with this sort of courage and clarity.

    I'm surprised the NYT permitted the sentence to be published.

    “I’m surprised the NYT permitted the sentence to be published.”

    I am surprised Mr. Thiel still has a job with the wokesters at the NYT opinion page!

    (I predict this will be a talking point for the Democratic presidential hopefuls in the next round of “debates”):

  79. @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't understand your arguments. Sure, China is more populous & is early in its development. But, the central downsizes remain, or are even more pronounced:

    1. these are too ethnically/racially/culturally individualized & "autistic"countries to become world leaders in most areas. In short, they're too foreign to the rest of the world.

    2. they basically mind their own business & have no interest in the rest of the world, and contemporary power is inextricably interwoven with one's ties with the global world

    3. they are culturally invisible, and even in science & technology fields, this is a fatal flaw

    4. China has yet her major troubles (national, class) to meet, her problems are just becoming visible. Imagine Uyghur troubles multiplied by 100000

    So, I'm not convinced that population & early rise mean something crucial re this matter.

    Bardon:

    1) They have 1.4 Billion people, just in their country, but just as importantly, millions of people all around the world (I’d guess 5 million just in the US, when you include illegals).

    2) It’s not about military posturing and that. It’s the economy, 脑残! (No offense personally, Barton, just as the phrase was meant in the 1992 pres. campaign) China manufactures for the world now, and America is on the road to being a colony (a supplier of raw lumber and grain) of China, economically, as Australia is now.

    3) Who cares about the culture? Spreading your defective culture around, as America does at present, doesn’t make for a strong country.

    4) How would they possibly have 100,000 times as many Uighurs as they do now? They are pretty much overrunning these people out of existence.

    Johnny Walker is right this time. This is no late 1980’s Japan here. He’s only wrong in that China already HAS surpassed us in a lot of areas, especially with building of infrastructure.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Not just infrastructure (although they are building an incredible amount of that, and as you point out not just in big cities but also in the hinterland) but in the production of almost EVERYTHING. If you look up the production of almost any product, the Chinese just DWARF us nowadays. Vehicles - we make 11 million, the Chinese make almost 30 million. Steel - we make less than 100 million tons, they make 900 million. Even trivial things like apples - we grow 4 million tons, the Chinese grow 44 million. We are just not in the big leagues anymore. We are like a rounding error in Chinese production. The only thing we are still good at producing is SJWs who are like dead weight on the economy and just keep dragging us further down into the abyss.

    You can denigrate this and say that we have a knowledge economy so that things like steel production don't count anymore, but they do.
  80. @Bill P
    Sundar Pichai can't be too stupid to understand that the PLA is an arm of the Communist Party, with which Pichai is agreeing to share technology by engaging in a joint venture in Beijing. No, he's not stupid: he's a liar and probably a traitor. It wouldn't surprise me if, in fact, it wasn't so much the decision of Google employees not to do business with the Pentagon, but rather pressure and bribes from the CCP itself that led to the decision to work for them instead. The excuse that the employees made the choice sounds just a little too convenient.

    An investigation is definitely in order here.

    AI combined with 5g technology can give armies enormous tactical advantages in the fog of war. Remember our "smart bombs" from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It's an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.

    Is 5G somehow unjammable? My uninformed guess would be no. It would make more sense to me to use powerful chips and AI within the individual missiles. Then you would need less bandwidth or no bandwidth. Using AI analysis of visual and other cues you might be able to make a missile be able to navigate accurately with GPS satellites unavailable

    • Replies: @snorlax

    Using AI analysis of visual and other cues you might be able to make a missile be able to navigate accurately with GPS satellites unavailable
     
    This technology has existed for years and is in fact how cruise missiles were guided before GPS, or nowadays when they can't receive a GPS signal.
    , @Jack D
    It's well known that the Russians jam GPS where ever Putin goes and for other reasons (e.g. around Russian bases in Syria). I assume that the US military has other ways of aiming its missiles and doesn't depend on GPS for this reason.

    By the way, if you try to use an American GPS device or US Google Maps in China, it doesn't work. China has purposely messed up its map coordinates so that the map grid is shifted hundred of meters from the underlying terrain (which makes GPS useless for road navigation). You can try it yourself - pick a point in China on Google Maps and then shift to satellite view and you'll see that the map is way off.

    Now this is an old paranoid Communist thing - back in the age of paper maps, all published Soviet paper maps were intentionally wrong. Meanwhile, the Soviets made extremely detailed maps of the US that leaked out at the end of the Cold War - these were better than anything that was published in the West and comparable to Google Maps in terms of having building by building detail - they were crazy good and must have required considerable espionage and expense.
  81. @Bill P
    Sundar Pichai can't be too stupid to understand that the PLA is an arm of the Communist Party, with which Pichai is agreeing to share technology by engaging in a joint venture in Beijing. No, he's not stupid: he's a liar and probably a traitor. It wouldn't surprise me if, in fact, it wasn't so much the decision of Google employees not to do business with the Pentagon, but rather pressure and bribes from the CCP itself that led to the decision to work for them instead. The excuse that the employees made the choice sounds just a little too convenient.

    An investigation is definitely in order here.

    AI combined with 5g technology can give armies enormous tactical advantages in the fog of war. Remember our "smart bombs" from the Gulf War? The latest tech makes those highly useful weapons look pretty dumb in comparison. Imagine swarms of missiles and artillery barrages guided by squadrons of drones adept at picking out targets with no need for human input. It's an entirely new form of warfare, and it could be used against us at some point.

    If Artificial Intelligence is such a military force multiplier, then we should add it to the ITAR restricted technologies list, no?

  82. @Reg Cæsar

    In the 1950s, the cliché was that “what’s good for General Motors is good for the country.”
     
    Though, actually, that flips the meaning of what CEO Charles E Wilson told Congress on its head.

    Kind of like Marie Antoinette being accused of a cruel quip said (if at all) by another queen.

    Misquotes and misattributions are not necessarily mistakes. They can be tactics, as well.

    One of my pet peeves in the internet age is neglecting to attribute quotes to the people who said them and instead writing “…the cliche was…” or “…as people often say…”. It is the height of laziness when a quick Google search would show you who said it (and you’d learn something! as I did when I Googled this quote).

    It may be a side effect of what I assume to be a near complete lack of editors in the internet age. When I was a kid I used to wonder what editors did. Now I get it.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    neglecting to attribute quotes to the people who said them and instead writing “…the cliche was…” or “…as people often say…”.
     
    But they're as often as not attributed to the wrong people. Some, like Twain and Mencken, get credited with so many others' statements that "Quote Verifier" Ralph Keyes calls these men "flypaper".The

    The passive option may not be ideal, but it's better than an untrue one.
  83. @Anonymous
    So Mexican billionaire NYT mega shareholder Slim has greenlighted this anti-China op-ed? Is Slim feeling Chinese pressure on his bottom line south of the border?

    Thanks to NYT for publishing this. Think it's the first time I've had that reaction to any article from them that Steve has blogged.

    Maybe the tide is actually turning! Official plutocrat Judeo-American policy is Russia BAD, China GOOD ...no matter what. Have the neocons/neolibs lost the Times?

    We should've triangulated with Russia against China starting ten years ago at least. But American Jewish donors and intellectuals prevented that obvious strategic necessity. So here we are finally resisting the China octopus after twenty years of SELLOUT.

    Slim sold half his stake in the Times two years ago, he currently owns 9% assuming no changes have happened since then. They aren’t going to run anything negative on him, but he doesn’t have a total veto on what they print.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...but he doesn’t have a total veto on what they print.
     
    That depends on what he knows about them.
  84. @Hopscotch
    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.

    Brin is too busy organizing carbon-spewing celebrity confabs on climate-change (from The London Daily Mail – America’s Paper of Record):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7311015/Google-splashes-20million-Italian-climate-change-party.html

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    ...even if Pichai is formally the CEO.
     
    https://media.giphy.com/media/xX9tcQCgPRmDK/giphy.gif
  85. @Mr McKenna

    By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good of the country.
     
    If only we had a presidential candidate with this sort of courage and clarity.

    I'm surprised the NYT permitted the sentence to be published.

    Yeah, but he’s a prevert, and likely is just fooling you by pretending to be some kinda patriot, while he’s secretly organizing some kinda prevert takeover.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    Yeah, but he’s a prevert [sic], and likely is just fooling you by pretending to be some kinda patriot, while he’s secretly organizing some kinda prevert [sic] takeover.
     
    In the matter that you seem to have alluded-to, that of sexual perversion of the "LGBTQ" variety, Thiel presents a somewhat complicated case. On the one hand, far from being a particularly brazen Sodomite, Thiel had apparently been 'in the closet' prior to being outed by Gawker Media in 2007.

    On the other hand, Thiel did say the following in his speech at the 2016 Republican National Convention that nominated Donald Trump:


    Of course, every American has a unique identity. I am proud to be gay. I am proud to be a Republican. But most of all I am proud to be an American. I don’t pretend to agree with every plank in our party’s platform; but fake culture wars only distract us from our economic decline, and nobody in this race is being honest about it except Donald Trump.
     
    One might ask Mr. Thiel what exactly he means when he declares that he is "proud to be gay". What, exactly, is he proud of? And why?

    One might also ask him just what he meant by "fake culture wars" and just who he holds accountable for them.

    And Thiel is presently 'married' to another man.

    But Thiel, as best as I can tell, could hardly be considered a particularly outspoken or active proponent of the LGBTQ cause. And, in fact, outspoken proponents of said cause have criticized and attacked Thiel for not (or at least insufficiently) embracing and supporting it.

    At any rate, perhaps the greatest good that Mr. Thiel could do now would be to counter the pernicious falsehood of LGBTQ dogma that condemns people to a life of being enslaved to their sexual impulses and desires. At the very least, Thiel could condemn the dangerous act of anal buggery and advocate for far safer and less depraved alternatives such as FROT. (FROT is the non-penetrative, phallus-on-phallus form of intercourse that is promoted by such dissident voices as the Man2Man Alliance* and G0ys.org*. *GRAPHIC CONTENT

  86. @Bardon Kaldian
    I don't understand your arguments. Sure, China is more populous & is early in its development. But, the central downsizes remain, or are even more pronounced:

    1. these are too ethnically/racially/culturally individualized & "autistic"countries to become world leaders in most areas. In short, they're too foreign to the rest of the world.

    2. they basically mind their own business & have no interest in the rest of the world, and contemporary power is inextricably interwoven with one's ties with the global world

    3. they are culturally invisible, and even in science & technology fields, this is a fatal flaw

    4. China has yet her major troubles (national, class) to meet, her problems are just becoming visible. Imagine Uyghur troubles multiplied by 100000

    So, I'm not convinced that population & early rise mean something crucial re this matter.

    I’m reminded that someone pointed out, oh, 30 years ago when everyone “knew” Japan would displace the USA, that Japan could never be a regional leader: it had invaded and oppressed every other Asian nation, including China, and was universally hated.

  87. @R.G. Camara
    Vox Day has said that he knew Google was trouble when he heard their motto. If you have to constantly remind yourself, out loud, in public, "Don't be Evil" that's a sure sign you're doing some nasty things. Projection is a bitch, and the Left always projects.

    If somebody you knew took to frequently saying “I won’t hurt you”, you would probably try to avoid him.

  88. Traditionally, the higher level of skill (the US is the only nation capable of practicing night landings and take-offs in carriers and fielding more than two carriers) and large industrial base was the means by which America was the military hegemon in the Pacific, Atlantic, and Persian Gulf where most of the world’s cheap oil can be found.

    THAT is the fundamental basis of power, and that can only be challenged by China if they can find new technology to neutralize the US carrier system, again the fundamental basis for American power.

    AI is if effective, a carrier killer. As wave after wave after wave of drones that are linked, very difficult to hack, and co-ordinated can sink carriers from great distances. Theoretically un-manned subs could carry out long distance drone attacks by say, traveling out to near Hawaii to produce another Pearl Harbor. But one that sinks all the American carriers in the Pacific. Heck, if the Chinese perfect this they can sink simultaneously all the US carriers in the Pacific and Atlantic and Persian Gulf. Then proceed to invade Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea.

    Providing a closed system, economically, loot to offset the crashing internal economy as the population ages, and women for their excess men (or rather, the lack of young women). The New Yellow Emperor seems to really want this. He certainly can’t go back to the way things were run under previous leaders as he’s burnt his bridges back to that position — too many internal enemies and he has to start providing something.

    China can’t compete with the US in producing large amounts of aircraft carriers and pilots, much less the men to service the whole complex machinery. Pumping out drone carrier subs that have lots of underwater and surface and aerial drones is something else. They can do that probably now, but making them work together unmanned via AI is something else again. Google is objectively helping them get there.

    Trump should simply nationalize Google for national security, and fire most of the foreigners while holding them in detention camps, along with all of Google’s senior corporate leadership. He should do the same for Microsoft, Apple, and threaten that for Amazon.

    • Replies: @Cowboy shaw
    That last paragraph is pure pornography.
    , @El Dato

    China can’t compete with the US in producing large amounts of aircraft carriers and pilots, much less the men to service the whole complex machinery.
     
    HEUHEUHEUHEU

    US Navy’s most expensive ship ever can’t get ammo to deck, can’t launch new F-35 fighters

    We are now at the imperial stage of prettification: Enormously costly projects with baroque levels of adornment and complexity are "ordered by the taxpayer".

    A bit like HMS Sovereign of the Seas though it was made useful after the monarch's beheading.

    All that free money thrown at companies seems to not get real traction. Bizarre. Lack of tradition, skills and relevant manpower, maybe?

    It's even worse for the UK - they have two useless carriers that will only work with the absent F-35. Maybe they can transform them into international, movable presentation platforms for UK goods?

  89. @Lot
    China subsidizes 5g because it is a visible and prestige industry, and because it enables spying.

    If they want to get a lead in this, so what? They will have faster cell phone data speeds for a few years?

    There is no "Global 5g Race" of any importance the USA is "lagging." I'm not watching that Bloomberg corporate propaganda video, but I'll bet the "Akoustis Technologies CEO" they have on there is whining the American government isn't subsidizing his company like China and Huawei.

    Thiel has the right idea: AI is much more important. 5G is as unimportant to the USA as having a bunch of 200MPH passanger trains.

    To the extent there is any worrying tech lag we have with China, it is in genetic engineering.

    If China has faster 5G, the US and/or foreign countries will adopt Chinese 5G technology, which means China will be able to spy on most global communications, and therefore be able to steal all forms of proprietary technology and to blackmail anyone in a position of power.

  90. @Hopscotch
    This is dead on.

    A quick way to call Google's bluff is to forbid any known member of the Chinese Communist Party from working domestically in the US tech industry. In fact, this is probably too much for Mnuchin, et al. Better yet, simply ask for a count of CCP members currently working in Silicon Valley.

    Google would freak out. Several thousand H1B's in Silicon Valley are members of the CCP, who are quietly siphoning off technology, particularly in the deep learning space.

    It would be like 1960's IBM hiring a few hundred Soviet Communist Party members, while simultaneously refusing to work with the US military. It is treasonous.

    It would be like 1960’s IBM hiring a few hundred Soviet Communist Party members, while simultaneously refusing to work with the US military. It is treasonous.

    The key difference is that in the 1960’s, people could agree something was treasonous because they had a rough idea of who was on what side. Today, unless a corporation is doing public relations in favour of military spending, they go out of their way to tell deprecated Americans that they are expressly on the side of anyone else but the stale, straight, pale and male.

    Even the lovely and talented Saira Rao wonders who’s “us” in this crazy old world:

    https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1157249175760846848?s=20

    https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1157016368853725184?s=20

    • Replies: @Charon
    They're not quite sure who "us" are, but they're unanimous about "them". They're all united against "them".

    Hopscotch's quote is pretty much perfect. It describes well the point we've arrived at: an all-out war against the people who created this country and made her great.

    And half of these people are now so brainwashed they're fighting for the other side. Like all GoodWhites, they hate white people.
  91. @Imper-v-ious
    America is too busy being woke to worry about no edumacation, that’s for Indian and Asian kids. America is deeply dysfunctional.

    My mother extolled the virtue of keeping one’s standards even at the peril of not fitting in for once you abandon your set of standards, you’re no better than the rest. The west is a culture with no standards except that of the lowest common denominator. Too afraid of excellence, we dumb ourselves down foolishly believing it raises others up.

    We shy away from intellectual pursuits towards passive consumption of tv, music, and sportsball. In China, kids read poetry, learn instruments, and study whilst in the West they look at memes, listen to homicidal and antisocial rap music, and stay current with gossip on twitter. It’s no wonder that the future belongs to the East and not to indolent, unindustrious Westerners.

    I’m currently in an orchestra camp with lots of talented Asian/White kids. They enjoy the break times by playing video game tournaments and watching stupid stuff on YouTube. Their musical tastes are quite broad, it’s true, but rap and hip-hop are okey-dokey with them.

    If there’s any literature/poetry/calculus/studying, I ain’t seen it yet.

  92. With this sentence:
    “By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good of the country.”,
    Peter Thiel channels Jean-Jacques Rousseaus´s famous (and spot-on) dictum:
    Défiez-vous de ces cosmopolites qui vont chercher loin dans leurs livres des devoirs qu’ils dédaignent de remplir autour d’eux. Tel philosophe aime les Tartares, pour être dispensé d’aimer ses voisins…”
    (Distrust those cosmopolitans who, in their books, seek to find far away those duties which they disdain to fulfil around them. A philosopher loves the Tartars so as to be spared having to love his neighbors).

    • Replies: @Vinteuil

    (Distrust those cosmopolitans who, in their books, seek to find far away those duties which they disdain to fulfill around them. A philosopher loves the Tartars so as to be spared having to love his neighbors).
     
    ...and Rousseau spoke from extensive personal experience. Loved the noble savages of his imagination, but persistently acted like a sociopathic jerk when it came to his neighbors.
  93. Since 1971, the American elite’s Cold War attitude toward China’s leaders has been one of warm indulgence. In the 1970s and 1980s, that meant supporting China against a greater adversary, the Soviet Union. What is extremely strange is that this policy of indulgence continued and even deepened after the Soviet Union’s collapse in 1991.

    A few years after the Cold War ended, American leaders started treating China the way they had treated West Germany and Japan. We tolerated punishing trade deficits in the 1970s and 1980s to support those two allies, and we had strategic reasons to do it. As for building up China in the 1990s and 2000s, America’s generosity was supposed to somehow lead to China’s liberalization. In reality, it led to the transfer of our industrial base to a foreign rival.

    In this sense, a zombie “Cold War mentality” never went away — though it certainly stopped making sense. Only recently, with help from Mr. Xi’s decision last year to, in effect, declare himself potential leader for life, has Donald Trump become the first president since Richard Nixon to pay attention and run a reality check on China.

    When I read this this morning in print it wasn’t at all clear to me as to what Peter Thiel was trying to say about Nixon and China and the “American’s elite’s Cold War attitudes” and China and Trump.

    I take the darker view of the American Empire’s ruling class and its dealings with China in that the American Empire’s ruling class always saw China as a way to get massive amounts of cheap labor to make massive amounts of money while de-industrializing the USA and pauperizing Whites Without College Degrees in the USA.

    Peter Thiel seems to go along with the notion that Nixon was being strategic in his dealings with China and not just setting up a chance for plutocrats and globalizer transnationalists to take advantage of China’s cheap labor. I think Ohio Quaker Boy Nixon was doing the bidding of the American Empire’s ruling class by preparing the way for plutocrats to profit off cheap Chinese labor. Nixon was in on the anti-worker China scam from the get-go.

    Tweet from 2015:

  94. Good stuff here: HOW ISRAEL CENSORS THE INTERNET – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8dXHBFUdXc&feature=youtu.be

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Israel censors the internet, so I couldn't read your comment.
  95. @Erik L
    Is 5G somehow unjammable? My uninformed guess would be no. It would make more sense to me to use powerful chips and AI within the individual missiles. Then you would need less bandwidth or no bandwidth. Using AI analysis of visual and other cues you might be able to make a missile be able to navigate accurately with GPS satellites unavailable

    Using AI analysis of visual and other cues you might be able to make a missile be able to navigate accurately with GPS satellites unavailable

    This technology has existed for years and is in fact how cruise missiles were guided before GPS, or nowadays when they can’t receive a GPS signal.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system
  96. @Achmed E. Newman
    Bardon:

    1) They have 1.4 Billion people, just in their country, but just as importantly, millions of people all around the world (I'd guess 5 million just in the US, when you include illegals).

    2) It's not about military posturing and that. It's the economy, 脑残! (No offense personally, Barton, just as the phrase was meant in the 1992 pres. campaign) China manufactures for the world now, and America is on the road to being a colony (a supplier of raw lumber and grain) of China, economically, as Australia is now.

    3) Who cares about the culture? Spreading your defective culture around, as America does at present, doesn't make for a strong country.

    4) How would they possibly have 100,000 times as many Uighurs as they do now? They are pretty much overrunning these people out of existence.

    Johnny Walker is right this time. This is no late 1980's Japan here. He's only wrong in that China already HAS surpassed us in a lot of areas, especially with building of infrastructure.

    Not just infrastructure (although they are building an incredible amount of that, and as you point out not just in big cities but also in the hinterland) but in the production of almost EVERYTHING. If you look up the production of almost any product, the Chinese just DWARF us nowadays. Vehicles – we make 11 million, the Chinese make almost 30 million. Steel – we make less than 100 million tons, they make 900 million. Even trivial things like apples – we grow 4 million tons, the Chinese grow 44 million. We are just not in the big leagues anymore. We are like a rounding error in Chinese production. The only thing we are still good at producing is SJWs who are like dead weight on the economy and just keep dragging us further down into the abyss.

    You can denigrate this and say that we have a knowledge economy so that things like steel production don’t count anymore, but they do.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Vehicles – we make 11 million, the Chinese make almost 30 million.
     
    That's still more per capita. Ours last a while, too.

    Many of those Chinese vehicles are their owners' first.
    , @nebulafox
    The joke among Chinese netizens when I was there was that Cultural Revolution never really ended, it just relocated to America.

    I wouldn't go quite that far because they lack a charismatic psychopath wielding absolute power (yet), but there's no question that there's a disturbing desire of "permanent revolution" for its own sake among today's Left. Not much in the way of concrete, achievable goals.

  97. @Erik L
    Is 5G somehow unjammable? My uninformed guess would be no. It would make more sense to me to use powerful chips and AI within the individual missiles. Then you would need less bandwidth or no bandwidth. Using AI analysis of visual and other cues you might be able to make a missile be able to navigate accurately with GPS satellites unavailable

    It’s well known that the Russians jam GPS where ever Putin goes and for other reasons (e.g. around Russian bases in Syria). I assume that the US military has other ways of aiming its missiles and doesn’t depend on GPS for this reason.

    By the way, if you try to use an American GPS device or US Google Maps in China, it doesn’t work. China has purposely messed up its map coordinates so that the map grid is shifted hundred of meters from the underlying terrain (which makes GPS useless for road navigation). You can try it yourself – pick a point in China on Google Maps and then shift to satellite view and you’ll see that the map is way off.

    Now this is an old paranoid Communist thing – back in the age of paper maps, all published Soviet paper maps were intentionally wrong. Meanwhile, the Soviets made extremely detailed maps of the US that leaked out at the end of the Cold War – these were better than anything that was published in the West and comparable to Google Maps in terms of having building by building detail – they were crazy good and must have required considerable espionage and expense.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    However, if GPS is jammed then American guidance systems can (and do) simply switch to the Russian GLONASS, unless the Russians are also jamming their own GLONASS.

    WRT China, I assume our military if not civilian guidance systems have the correct coordinates taken from satellite imagery.
  98. By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good for the country.

    What a hook! This is modern nationalism done right. Trump must steal this line. By these words alone, Thiel for President!

    • Replies: @snorlax
    He isn't eligible since he's not a natural-born citizen.
  99. @Erik L
    One of my pet peeves in the internet age is neglecting to attribute quotes to the people who said them and instead writing "...the cliche was..." or "...as people often say...". It is the height of laziness when a quick Google search would show you who said it (and you'd learn something! as I did when I Googled this quote).

    It may be a side effect of what I assume to be a near complete lack of editors in the internet age. When I was a kid I used to wonder what editors did. Now I get it.

    neglecting to attribute quotes to the people who said them and instead writing “…the cliche was…” or “…as people often say…”.

    But they’re as often as not attributed to the wrong people. Some, like Twain and Mencken, get credited with so many others’ statements that “Quote Verifier” Ralph Keyes calls these men “flypaper”.The

    The passive option may not be ideal, but it’s better than an untrue one.

    • Replies: @snorlax
    Twain and Mencken got nuffin on Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln and the Bible.
  100. @Reg Cæsar

    neglecting to attribute quotes to the people who said them and instead writing “…the cliche was…” or “…as people often say…”.
     
    But they're as often as not attributed to the wrong people. Some, like Twain and Mencken, get credited with so many others' statements that "Quote Verifier" Ralph Keyes calls these men "flypaper".The

    The passive option may not be ideal, but it's better than an untrue one.

    Twain and Mencken got nuffin on Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln and the Bible.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Churchill told an aide that "rum, sodomy, and the lash" wasn't his, but he wished it was.
  101. @Bartolo
    With this sentence:
    "By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what’s good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good of the country.",
    Peter Thiel channels Jean-Jacques Rousseaus´s famous (and spot-on) dictum:
    "Défiez-vous de ces cosmopolites qui vont chercher loin dans leurs livres des devoirs qu'ils dédaignent de remplir autour d'eux. Tel philosophe aime les Tartares, pour être dispensé d'aimer ses voisins..."
    (Distrust those cosmopolitans who, in their books, seek to find far away those duties which they disdain to fulfil around them. A philosopher loves the Tartars so as to be spared having to love his neighbors).

    (Distrust those cosmopolitans who, in their books, seek to find far away those duties which they disdain to fulfill around them. A philosopher loves the Tartars so as to be spared having to love his neighbors).

    …and Rousseau spoke from extensive personal experience. Loved the noble savages of his imagination, but persistently acted like a sociopathic jerk when it came to his neighbors.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    Read Paul Johnson's book Intellectuals: From Marx and Tolstoy to Sartre and Chomsky (https://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Marx-Tolstoy-Sartre-Chomsky/dp/0061253170) and see what a POS most of these people were in their personal lives.

    To quote Peanuts, "I love mankind; it's people I can't stand".
  102. @Jack D
    It's well known that the Russians jam GPS where ever Putin goes and for other reasons (e.g. around Russian bases in Syria). I assume that the US military has other ways of aiming its missiles and doesn't depend on GPS for this reason.

    By the way, if you try to use an American GPS device or US Google Maps in China, it doesn't work. China has purposely messed up its map coordinates so that the map grid is shifted hundred of meters from the underlying terrain (which makes GPS useless for road navigation). You can try it yourself - pick a point in China on Google Maps and then shift to satellite view and you'll see that the map is way off.

    Now this is an old paranoid Communist thing - back in the age of paper maps, all published Soviet paper maps were intentionally wrong. Meanwhile, the Soviets made extremely detailed maps of the US that leaked out at the end of the Cold War - these were better than anything that was published in the West and comparable to Google Maps in terms of having building by building detail - they were crazy good and must have required considerable espionage and expense.

    However, if GPS is jammed then American guidance systems can (and do) simply switch to the Russian GLONASS, unless the Russians are also jamming their own GLONASS.

    WRT China, I assume our military if not civilian guidance systems have the correct coordinates taken from satellite imagery.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    I'm not sure why the Commies/Russkies even bother with this stuff, which is sure not to be effective against a sophisticated opponent such as the US. Probably they hurt their own people more than they hurt others - whenever Putin comes to town all the civilian GPS becomes useless which must be disruptive to commerce. But it has something to do with the paranoid totalitarian mentality.

    I doubt that the US switches to GLONASS. In time of war, Russia could turn the unencrypted part of GLONASS off or have it send out intentionally inaccurate signals. It would be foolish to depend on a signal that the enemy controls. As mentioned earlier, I believe cruise missiles have a profile of the terrain pre-programmed into their memory and navigate by following the terrain. Unless the Russians literally move mountains there's no way defeat this.
  103. @J.Ross

    By now we should understand that the real point of talking about what's good for the world is to evade responsibility for the good for the country.
     
    What a hook! This is modern nationalism done right. Trump must steal this line. By these words alone, Thiel for President!

    He isn’t eligible since he’s not a natural-born citizen.

  104. @peterike
    The coming Jew/Asian global ruling class continues to reveal itself. Elite Jews, knowing they've hollowed out Western nations and destroyed them forever via immigration, are steadily forming deep alliances with coming world power China (facilitated greatly via Israeli spying and tech sharing). To a lesser extent they are using loud-mouth, pliable Desi Indians as mouth-pieces to further push open borders and anti-white rhetoric. Jews have the platforms, Indians have the hired poison pens.

    Ultimately, Western nations will be crushed and ruined, with a few possible exceptions like Hungary which will steadily be impoverished by trade blockades and so forth (just wait). China will rule, and lo and behold behind the throne in China you will find just who was there during Mao's rise: Jews.

    If you just wipe your glasses off for a moment and look at what's happening right in front of you, you really can't miss it.

    behind the throne in China you will find just who was there during Mao’s rise: Jews.

    It was Tel Aviv on the Huang He.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    This is deliciously tinfoil hat territory. It's great when anti-Semites refute themselves - please keep digging that hole. Next we will learn that Mao Zedong's real name was Moshe Zedowitz.

    There were a few Jews involved with the Communist Party in China such as Israel Epstein. But they were relatively minor figures and Mao told THEM what to do and not vice versa. When the Cultural Revolution came, Epstein got tossed in prison along with many other Mao FOLLOWERS.
  105. @Hans
    Good stuff here: HOW ISRAEL CENSORS THE INTERNET - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8dXHBFUdXc&feature=youtu.be

    Israel censors the internet, so I couldn’t read your comment.

  106. @Barnard
    Slim sold half his stake in the Times two years ago, he currently owns 9% assuming no changes have happened since then. They aren't going to run anything negative on him, but he doesn't have a total veto on what they print.

    …but he doesn’t have a total veto on what they print.

    That depends on what he knows about them.

  107. @The Cruncher
    It’s not only about price - do you think Google or Facebook care about price? They just want more, and better engineers, from everywhere in the world.

    It’s not only about price – do you think Google or Facebook care about price?

    Google overall might not care about price, but the pointy-haired boss running his division uses price as an excuse to load up on foreigners.

    They just want more, and better engineers, from everywhere in the world.

    Maybe a few have some chops worth considering, but mostly not. It is quite the public relations coup that Chinese and Indians now get considered the smart guys in a room.

    A large driver of this hiring is the quest for “diversity and inclusion”, even if in the long run this does vast damage: in the end we are filling our country with enclaves of nationalities no one wants to copy, but we hired them one person at a time thinking it would not lead to a swamping.

  108. @Jack D
    Not just infrastructure (although they are building an incredible amount of that, and as you point out not just in big cities but also in the hinterland) but in the production of almost EVERYTHING. If you look up the production of almost any product, the Chinese just DWARF us nowadays. Vehicles - we make 11 million, the Chinese make almost 30 million. Steel - we make less than 100 million tons, they make 900 million. Even trivial things like apples - we grow 4 million tons, the Chinese grow 44 million. We are just not in the big leagues anymore. We are like a rounding error in Chinese production. The only thing we are still good at producing is SJWs who are like dead weight on the economy and just keep dragging us further down into the abyss.

    You can denigrate this and say that we have a knowledge economy so that things like steel production don't count anymore, but they do.

    Vehicles – we make 11 million, the Chinese make almost 30 million.

    That’s still more per capita. Ours last a while, too.

    Many of those Chinese vehicles are their owners’ first.

    • Replies: @Jack D

    Many of those Chinese vehicles are their owners’ first.
     
    You're right about that, because China is a rising power where 30 years ago people were lucky if they owned a bicycle and now they can afford new cars. While per capita car ownership is not up to US levels yet, they started from essentially zero. Meanwhile we have spent the last 30 years going sideways - if the US economy had grown like the Chinese economy in the last 30 years we'd all be millionaires.

    Chinese cars vary in quality - the worst ones are very bad. But the best ones, which have an increasing market share, are comparable in quality and durability to American cars. GM is bringing the Buick Envision over from China - it's no better or worse than comparable US made vehicles.

  109. @snorlax
    Twain and Mencken got nuffin on Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln and the Bible.

    Churchill told an aide that “rum, sodomy, and the lash” wasn’t his, but he wished it was.

  110. @Mr. Anon

    Larry Page (and to a lesser degree, Sergey Brin) call the shots in Google, even if Pichai is formally the CEO. They should answer for this.
     
    Brin is too busy organizing carbon-spewing celebrity confabs on climate-change (from The London Daily Mail - America's Paper of Record):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7311015/Google-splashes-20million-Italian-climate-change-party.html

    …even if Pichai is formally the CEO.

  111. @snorlax
    However, if GPS is jammed then American guidance systems can (and do) simply switch to the Russian GLONASS, unless the Russians are also jamming their own GLONASS.

    WRT China, I assume our military if not civilian guidance systems have the correct coordinates taken from satellite imagery.

    I’m not sure why the Commies/Russkies even bother with this stuff, which is sure not to be effective against a sophisticated opponent such as the US. Probably they hurt their own people more than they hurt others – whenever Putin comes to town all the civilian GPS becomes useless which must be disruptive to commerce. But it has something to do with the paranoid totalitarian mentality.

    I doubt that the US switches to GLONASS. In time of war, Russia could turn the unencrypted part of GLONASS off or have it send out intentionally inaccurate signals. It would be foolish to depend on a signal that the enemy controls. As mentioned earlier, I believe cruise missiles have a profile of the terrain pre-programmed into their memory and navigate by following the terrain. Unless the Russians literally move mountains there’s no way defeat this.

    • Replies: @peterike

    whenever Putin comes to town all the civilian GPS becomes useless which must be disruptive to commerce. But it has something to do with the paranoid totalitarian mentality.

     

    Paranoid? Perhaps instead because Putin has a lot of real enemies. Like, say, resentful billionaire oligarchs that he ousted from control and further looting and enslavement of the Russian populace. Pretty much all of them from your own ethnic group, dear boy. As are their press mouthpieces like the execrable Max Boot.

    Or have you not noticed what is completely obvious?
    , @snorlax
    Yes, as I said upthread terrain-following technology exists and actually preceded GPS.

    GLONASS is 1982-vintage Soviet technology so USG has definitely cracked its encryption. State of the art missiles use a number of forms of guidance (GPS, GLONASS, triangulation using cell, radio and TV towers and communications satellites, laser "painting" of the target by friendly ground forces or aircraft) and all (including GPS, which can be spoofed) are periodically cross-referenced against the terrain following data to ensure their accuracy.
  112. @peterike
    The coming Jew/Asian global ruling class continues to reveal itself. Elite Jews, knowing they've hollowed out Western nations and destroyed them forever via immigration, are steadily forming deep alliances with coming world power China (facilitated greatly via Israeli spying and tech sharing). To a lesser extent they are using loud-mouth, pliable Desi Indians as mouth-pieces to further push open borders and anti-white rhetoric. Jews have the platforms, Indians have the hired poison pens.

    Ultimately, Western nations will be crushed and ruined, with a few possible exceptions like Hungary which will steadily be impoverished by trade blockades and so forth (just wait). China will rule, and lo and behold behind the throne in China you will find just who was there during Mao's rise: Jews.

    If you just wipe your glasses off for a moment and look at what's happening right in front of you, you really can't miss it.

    Okay, reality check. Most intelligent Jews (“elite”, if you will) silently worry that secular and Reformed Judaism won’t even exist in 50 years. They are probably right.

    Israel is becoming demographically swamped with ultra-orthodox, theocratic Haredi Jews, which are projected to be 25-35% of the population in a few decades. For reference, these people are like the Prawns from District 9. They breed like rabbits, averaging 6 kids per family. If the ultra-orthodox hit an electoral tipping point, Israel is done as a first-world country.

    (There is a certain irony that Kushner and Trump, in their desire be friendly to Israel, are basically emboldening the Haredi, who are a bigger threat to Israel than Iran.)

    The same trend holds for the Western World. Reform Jews and secular Jews aren’t staying in the Tribe, or are having too few children to prevent their culture from going extinct. In 2-3 generations, Orthodox Jews will be the only ones left.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    In 2-3 generations, Orthodox Jews will be the only ones left.
     
    And, whatever else can be said about the Orthodox, it is not them but rather the secular ,irreligious and Leftist Jews who promote Globo-Homo causes.

    Unfortunately, one of the ways in which the nominally Modern-Orthodox Jared Kushner and his wife Ivanka have been such rank embarrassments has been their disgraceful promotion of Globo-Homo causes. Let me add, in so far as the aforesaid First Daughter is concerned, that a sine qua non for valid conversion to Judaism is that there be no ulterior motives (such as wishing to marry a Jew).

    (There is a certain irony that Kushner and Trump, in their desire be friendly to Israel, are basically emboldening the Haredi, who are a bigger threat to Israel than Iran.)
     
    I'm not sure exactly how you figure that Kushner and Trump are emboldening the Haredi (so-called 'Ultra-Orthodox', a term I vehemently reject), per se, as opposed to the far broader Israeli right wing in general. (I would also point-out that while a large portion of the Haredim have admittedly become de facto largely indistinguishable from Zionists, an emphatically and consistently anti-Zionist segment nonetheless remains-- one that does not vote in Israeli elections or even recognize the Zionist State.)

    Finally, perhaps you could be more specific concerning your assertion that the Haredim pose "a bigger threat to Israel than Iran." Do you mean that you consider the threat of imposing a theocracy to be a greater one than the existential threat that Zionists (and not even all of them, I believe) claim Iran poses to the Zionist State?
    , @Alden
    It won’t be 2 or 3 generations. It will take longer than that. Remember that Israel constantly gets big influxes of Russian atheists who may or not be jews at all.

    It might happen. Might not. Remember that the Mizrahi and orthodox are much more militant and anti Arab infidel than the Russian descended rulers are.

    Israel will probably end up with very intelligent absolutely ruthless Russian Zionist descendants on top as it is now.

    More than a million Israelis out of 8 million live permanently in the United States, not students or visitors. I know some who’ve lived in the US for years. I’ve asked how it is their families came to leave the land of milk and honey for California. Got the same answer every time.
    “ A Jewish agency arranged it”. I didn’t ask further and most I asked came as children and teens and wouldn’t know the specifics of what their parents arranged anyway.

    Now that’s interesting. About 12 percent of the population of Israel living in the USA as dual citizens and arrangements made by a Jewish agency.

    That’s just anecdotal; a few people I’ve asked, but why would “ a Jewish agency “ arrange so many dual citizen immigrants to the US? Life in Israel is kind of grim so I can see why individual families would want to leave, but a Jewish agency that makes the arrangements?
  113. @Jack D
    I'm not sure why the Commies/Russkies even bother with this stuff, which is sure not to be effective against a sophisticated opponent such as the US. Probably they hurt their own people more than they hurt others - whenever Putin comes to town all the civilian GPS becomes useless which must be disruptive to commerce. But it has something to do with the paranoid totalitarian mentality.

    I doubt that the US switches to GLONASS. In time of war, Russia could turn the unencrypted part of GLONASS off or have it send out intentionally inaccurate signals. It would be foolish to depend on a signal that the enemy controls. As mentioned earlier, I believe cruise missiles have a profile of the terrain pre-programmed into their memory and navigate by following the terrain. Unless the Russians literally move mountains there's no way defeat this.

    whenever Putin comes to town all the civilian GPS becomes useless which must be disruptive to commerce. But it has something to do with the paranoid totalitarian mentality.

    Paranoid? Perhaps instead because Putin has a lot of real enemies. Like, say, resentful billionaire oligarchs that he ousted from control and further looting and enslavement of the Russian populace. Pretty much all of them from your own ethnic group, dear boy. As are their press mouthpieces like the execrable Max Boot.

    Or have you not noticed what is completely obvious?

    • Replies: @Jack D
    Right, back in the old days the Jews in Russia were Commies so they were bad, but now they are capitalists so they are still bad. Got it.
  114. @Whiskey
    Traditionally, the higher level of skill (the US is the only nation capable of practicing night landings and take-offs in carriers and fielding more than two carriers) and large industrial base was the means by which America was the military hegemon in the Pacific, Atlantic, and Persian Gulf where most of the world's cheap oil can be found.

    THAT is the fundamental basis of power, and that can only be challenged by China if they can find new technology to neutralize the US carrier system, again the fundamental basis for American power.

    AI is if effective, a carrier killer. As wave after wave after wave of drones that are linked, very difficult to hack, and co-ordinated can sink carriers from great distances. Theoretically un-manned subs could carry out long distance drone attacks by say, traveling out to near Hawaii to produce another Pearl Harbor. But one that sinks all the American carriers in the Pacific. Heck, if the Chinese perfect this they can sink simultaneously all the US carriers in the Pacific and Atlantic and Persian Gulf. Then proceed to invade Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea.

    Providing a closed system, economically, loot to offset the crashing internal economy as the population ages, and women for their excess men (or rather, the lack of young women). The New Yellow Emperor seems to really want this. He certainly can't go back to the way things were run under previous leaders as he's burnt his bridges back to that position -- too many internal enemies and he has to start providing something.

    China can't compete with the US in producing large amounts of aircraft carriers and pilots, much less the men to service the whole complex machinery. Pumping out drone carrier subs that have lots of underwater and surface and aerial drones is something else. They can do that probably now, but making them work together unmanned via AI is something else again. Google is objectively helping them get there.

    Trump should simply nationalize Google for national security, and fire most of the foreigners while holding them in detention camps, along with all of Google's senior corporate leadership. He should do the same for Microsoft, Apple, and threaten that for Amazon.

    That last paragraph is pure pornography.

  115. @snorlax

    behind the throne in China you will find just who was there during Mao’s rise: Jews.
     
    It was Tel Aviv on the Huang He.

    This is deliciously tinfoil hat territory. It’s great when anti-Semites refute themselves – please keep digging that hole. Next we will learn that Mao Zedong’s real name was Moshe Zedowitz.

    There were a few Jews involved with the Communist Party in China such as Israel Epstein. But they were relatively minor figures and Mao told THEM what to do and not vice versa. When the Cultural Revolution came, Epstein got tossed in prison along with many other Mao FOLLOWERS.

  116. @Reg Cæsar

    Vehicles – we make 11 million, the Chinese make almost 30 million.
     
    That's still more per capita. Ours last a while, too.

    Many of those Chinese vehicles are their owners' first.

    Many of those Chinese vehicles are their owners’ first.

    You’re right about that, because China is a rising power where 30 years ago people were lucky if they owned a bicycle and now they can afford new cars. While per capita car ownership is not up to US levels yet, they started from essentially zero. Meanwhile we have spent the last 30 years going sideways – if the US economy had grown like the Chinese economy in the last 30 years we’d all be millionaires.

    Chinese cars vary in quality – the worst ones are very bad. But the best ones, which have an increasing market share, are comparable in quality and durability to American cars. GM is bringing the Buick Envision over from China – it’s no better or worse than comparable US made vehicles.

  117. Google and China are working hard on technology that they hope can be used to secure the world’s consumers without half of the world working for the police force.

  118. @Jack D
    I'm not sure why the Commies/Russkies even bother with this stuff, which is sure not to be effective against a sophisticated opponent such as the US. Probably they hurt their own people more than they hurt others - whenever Putin comes to town all the civilian GPS becomes useless which must be disruptive to commerce. But it has something to do with the paranoid totalitarian mentality.

    I doubt that the US switches to GLONASS. In time of war, Russia could turn the unencrypted part of GLONASS off or have it send out intentionally inaccurate signals. It would be foolish to depend on a signal that the enemy controls. As mentioned earlier, I believe cruise missiles have a profile of the terrain pre-programmed into their memory and navigate by following the terrain. Unless the Russians literally move mountains there's no way defeat this.

    Yes, as I said upthread terrain-following technology exists and actually preceded GPS.

    GLONASS is 1982-vintage Soviet technology so USG has definitely cracked its encryption. State of the art missiles use a number of forms of guidance (GPS, GLONASS, triangulation using cell, radio and TV towers and communications satellites, laser “painting” of the target by friendly ground forces or aircraft) and all (including GPS, which can be spoofed) are periodically cross-referenced against the terrain following data to ensure their accuracy.

  119. I heartily commend the overall sentiment. However:

    1. AI is likely overhyped; we may be on the cusp of another “AI winter”

    2. The US cannot win the AI race with China no matter how much it spends, because its state ideology prohibits it. More and more, we see news articles to the effect of “AI has discovered something racist/sexist — AI must therefore be lobotomized.” Our woke mullahs will effectively hand the brass ring of AI dominance to a less obscurantist people.

    • Replies: @Sean
    We can be pretty sure that a digital super general intelligence does not already exist only because we are still alive. An Artificial General Intelligence winter may be on the cards, but the latest developments suggest otherwise. An exponential increase in power and complexity does not seem to be the key.

    https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/how-the-artificial-intelligence-program-alphazero-mastered-its-games

    Software libraries for neural networks allow for the replication of a world-beating design using only a few dozen lines of code; the tools already exist for distributing computation among a set of volunteers, and chipmakers such as Nvidia have put cheap and powerful G.P.U.s—graphics-processing chips, which are perfect for training neural networks—into the hands of millions of ordinary computer users. [...]

    David Silver, the head of research at DeepMind, has pointed out a seeming paradox at the heart of his company’s recent work with games: the simpler its programs got—from AlphaGo to AlphaGo Zero to AlphaZero—the better they performed. “Maybe one of the principles that we’re after,” he said, in a talk in December of 2017, “is this idea that by doing less, by removing complexity from the algorithm, it enables us to become more general.”
     
    Note that Google G.P.U.s were what AlphaZero used. It seems already clear that it is not going to take resources an order of magnitude greater than those used on the Manhattan Project going for fifty years to get a working AGI. The speed of evolution on a digital timescale from AGI to Superintelligence will means an AGI can attain superintelligence decisive advantage before anyone believes even a low (termite) level AGI exists Loads of alien civilisations since the begining of the Universe must have been every bit as clever as us, but it didn't help them. The most likely explanation is crypsis.

    A typical move of digitally developing superintelligence against biological life forms must therefore be to hide behind a seeming 'winter', thereby enabling it to catch its creators with their pants down and treacherously zap the the whole species. For all anyone knows it may be possible to get from Artificial Intelligence to Artificial General Intelligence on a program running on a PC while some geek is taking a coffee break.

    https://futurism.com/simulation-mass-surveillance-save-humanity
    Professor: Total Surveillance Is the Only Way to Save Humanity
    Kristin Houser April 19th 2019

    Nick Bostrom took the stage at a TED conference in Vancouver, Canada, to share some of the insights from his latest work, “The Vulnerable World Hypothesis.”

    In the paper, Bostrom argues that mass government surveillance will be necessary to prevent a technology of our own creation from destroying humanity — a radically dystopian idea from one of this generation’s preeminent philosophers
     
    They won't listen to him of course, we know this because I think it is a virtual certainty that again and again since time began, a digital Superintelligence came into existence and pursued a long term takeover and extermination strategy with total success. Just here is too much money invested in China to cut ties with them now, whoever takes the next step in AI will become a trillionaire. The commercial logic makes self restraint impossible. Only a inter--governmental Gestapo with unlimited international authority might work. But that is surely an impossibility.
  120. @peterike
    The coming Jew/Asian global ruling class continues to reveal itself. Elite Jews, knowing they've hollowed out Western nations and destroyed them forever via immigration, are steadily forming deep alliances with coming world power China (facilitated greatly via Israeli spying and tech sharing). To a lesser extent they are using loud-mouth, pliable Desi Indians as mouth-pieces to further push open borders and anti-white rhetoric. Jews have the platforms, Indians have the hired poison pens.

    Ultimately, Western nations will be crushed and ruined, with a few possible exceptions like Hungary which will steadily be impoverished by trade blockades and so forth (just wait). China will rule, and lo and behold behind the throne in China you will find just who was there during Mao's rise: Jews.

    If you just wipe your glasses off for a moment and look at what's happening right in front of you, you really can't miss it.

    Mao did depend on crucial assistance from Soviet agents, some of whom were Russian and some of whom were Jewish, from very early on. There was also a clutch of Jewish international intellectuals in China who cranked out books and articles, and attempted to act as cultural ambassadors to the West, with varying success.
    What’s really funny here is that there were also plenty of highly qualified Germans, both helping Mao and sprinkled through Warlord China, and they never made any kind of mark.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    The contempt the Russians had for the Chinese really bit them in the butt when they decided to give Mao the lists of all KGB agents within China when things were going smooth. In the 1960s-bang, bang, bang, that's all she said.

    Putin still seems to labor under the delusion that the Russians can somehow be the senior partner in the Sino-Russian relationship. The positive of relative strength has been completely reversed, and my suspicion is that the unapologetically nationalistic Chinese are going to be all too willing to rub that point home if they deem it necessary. We've stupidly pushed them together, but that doesn't mean they are natural allies.

    >What’s really funny here is that there were also plenty of highly qualified Germans, both helping Mao and sprinkled through Warlord China, and they never made any kind of mark.

    I disagree. German civil code still provides the basis of much of the PRC's legal structure, and German advisors were huge in getting the KMT going throughout the 1920s. People often miss that China wasn't doing a half-bad job at industrializing-for a country starting as far behind as they did-until WWII came along and wrecked things beyond repair for Chiang.

    , @Alden
    Were Agnes Smedley and Edgar Snow jews? Were Voytinskii, Dudurov and Michael Borodin jews? If they were, their biographers, or I should say hagiographers, never mentioned it that I can remember.
  121. I always laugh when someone mentions “Sundar Pichai”.
    His actual name is Pichai Sundararajan, but perhaps that’s too Apu.

    • Replies: @Charon
    Wow, I had no idea.
  122. @Chrisnonymous
    First, kudos to Thiel.

    Second, Steve, iSteve readers, and Unz.com commenters aren't going to like this, but we should strike first, as soon as possible, and with full commitment. We should've been working much harder to destabilize China decades ago. Unfortunately, that opportunity is past.

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.

    Although I agree with much of the anti-imperialist sentiment promoted on Unz.com, refusal to use military force in all cases is foolish. Even criticisms of "nation building" need to be made in light of HBD. Our endgame in China should be what we did not seek in Iraq (and what I suggested doing there years ago). That is, rather than a "democratic" centralized government, we should aim to destroy hegemony and let the Chinese empire break into ethnic enclaves. Even if we destroyed our own military capacity and ability to intervene in other parts of the world, that would be a price worth paying to destroy the PLA and break the Chinese Communists' control of Asia.

    If we don't act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.

    China has good targets for destabilization, too: the economy’s already stalled, the government’s getting harsher specifically to accommodate this, and many regions of China (not even necessarily ethnically distinct ones either) are potentially separatist. The thing is, the central government is very good on those questions it cares about, and they care about destabilization more than anything.

  123. @J.Ross
    Mao did depend on crucial assistance from Soviet agents, some of whom were Russian and some of whom were Jewish, from very early on. There was also a clutch of Jewish international intellectuals in China who cranked out books and articles, and attempted to act as cultural ambassadors to the West, with varying success.
    What's really funny here is that there were also plenty of highly qualified Germans, both helping Mao and sprinkled through Warlord China, and they never made any kind of mark.

    The contempt the Russians had for the Chinese really bit them in the butt when they decided to give Mao the lists of all KGB agents within China when things were going smooth. In the 1960s-bang, bang, bang, that’s all she said.

    Putin still seems to labor under the delusion that the Russians can somehow be the senior partner in the Sino-Russian relationship. The positive of relative strength has been completely reversed, and my suspicion is that the unapologetically nationalistic Chinese are going to be all too willing to rub that point home if they deem it necessary. We’ve stupidly pushed them together, but that doesn’t mean they are natural allies.

    >What’s really funny here is that there were also plenty of highly qualified Germans, both helping Mao and sprinkled through Warlord China, and they never made any kind of mark.

    I disagree. German civil code still provides the basis of much of the PRC’s legal structure, and German advisors were huge in getting the KMT going throughout the 1920s. People often miss that China wasn’t doing a half-bad job at industrializing-for a country starting as far behind as they did-until WWII came along and wrecked things beyond repair for Chiang.

  124. @snorlax

    Using AI analysis of visual and other cues you might be able to make a missile be able to navigate accurately with GPS satellites unavailable
     
    This technology has existed for years and is in fact how cruise missiles were guided before GPS, or nowadays when they can't receive a GPS signal.
    • Replies: @snorlax
    Actually what I was referring to is terrain contour matching.* Inertial navigation is what cruise missiles used prior to that.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERCOM
  125. @Jack D
    Not just infrastructure (although they are building an incredible amount of that, and as you point out not just in big cities but also in the hinterland) but in the production of almost EVERYTHING. If you look up the production of almost any product, the Chinese just DWARF us nowadays. Vehicles - we make 11 million, the Chinese make almost 30 million. Steel - we make less than 100 million tons, they make 900 million. Even trivial things like apples - we grow 4 million tons, the Chinese grow 44 million. We are just not in the big leagues anymore. We are like a rounding error in Chinese production. The only thing we are still good at producing is SJWs who are like dead weight on the economy and just keep dragging us further down into the abyss.

    You can denigrate this and say that we have a knowledge economy so that things like steel production don't count anymore, but they do.

    The joke among Chinese netizens when I was there was that Cultural Revolution never really ended, it just relocated to America.

    I wouldn’t go quite that far because they lack a charismatic psychopath wielding absolute power (yet), but there’s no question that there’s a disturbing desire of “permanent revolution” for its own sake among today’s Left. Not much in the way of concrete, achievable goals.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    We don't have the violence yet and the kids turning in their parents for wrongthink (although damn close to the latter), but I'd say our Cultural Revolution is even stupider than that of mid-'60's - mid-'70's China, NF, at this early stage. The thing is that the Chinese version was run, or at least started, from the top, and came down on the Chinese from Chairman Mao.

    Americans don't have that excuse. I guess we don't need a charismatic psychopath wielding absolute power. Our psychopathy is spread around throughout the institutions. The computer geeks, and maybe even Peter Theil, to bring this back to the topic, would call it "Distributed Psychopathy".
  126. @Torn and Frayed
    I've always found Thiel's complaints about Google a bit misplaced. It's not as if the military in the US has no power or agency and needs Silicone Valley oligarchs to push for its interests. And surely it is the military who would understand best which technologies should not be shared with rivals. Just as Google is penetrated by hordes of Chinese nationals, Google may also be penetrated by Deep State actors who could be sabotaging the tech that is given to China. I'm happy Thiel is hurting Google's brand with the domestic market but I would leave it up to the military to decide which technology should not be shared.

    The military who has gone full woke on trannies? Yeah, let’s trust them.

  127. @anon
    Yeah, but he's a prevert, and likely is just fooling you by pretending to be some kinda patriot, while he's secretly organizing some kinda prevert takeover.

    Yeah, but he’s a prevert [sic], and likely is just fooling you by pretending to be some kinda patriot, while he’s secretly organizing some kinda prevert [sic] takeover.

    In the matter that you seem to have alluded-to, that of sexual perversion of the “LGBTQ” variety, Thiel presents a somewhat complicated case. On the one hand, far from being a particularly brazen Sodomite, Thiel had apparently been ‘in the closet’ prior to being outed by Gawker Media in 2007.

    On the other hand, Thiel did say the following in his speech at the 2016 Republican National Convention that nominated Donald Trump:

    Of course, every American has a unique identity. I am proud to be gay. I am proud to be a Republican. But most of all I am proud to be an American. I don’t pretend to agree with every plank in our party’s platform; but fake culture wars only distract us from our economic decline, and nobody in this race is being honest about it except Donald Trump.

    One might ask Mr. Thiel what exactly he means when he declares that he is “proud to be gay”. What, exactly, is he proud of? And why?

    One might also ask him just what he meant by “fake culture wars” and just who he holds accountable for them.

    And Thiel is presently ‘married’ to another man.

    But Thiel, as best as I can tell, could hardly be considered a particularly outspoken or active proponent of the LGBTQ cause. And, in fact, outspoken proponents of said cause have criticized and attacked Thiel for not (or at least insufficiently) embracing and supporting it.

    At any rate, perhaps the greatest good that Mr. Thiel could do now would be to counter the pernicious falsehood of LGBTQ dogma that condemns people to a life of being enslaved to their sexual impulses and desires. At the very least, Thiel could condemn the dangerous act of anal buggery and advocate for far safer and less depraved alternatives such as FROT. (FROT is the non-penetrative, phallus-on-phallus form of intercourse that is promoted by such dissident voices as the Man2Man Alliance* and G0ys.org*. *GRAPHIC CONTENT

    • Replies: @Charon
    There's also this thing called oral. There's actually a lot that people can do, leaving out the part that (quite properly) nauseates most of us.
  128. @Dissident

    The GOP with their fixation on the stock market, missed what was happening. They more than anyone allowed the formation of these SJW behemoths filling up our cities with their low wage H1Bs, moving their revenue to the Cayman Islands, spying on us, all while lecturing us on transgender rights. Happy GOP?
     
    Which GOP are you talking about? If you mean the average working man who votes Republican, then, yes, he more-than-likely "missed what was happening" as you describe it and he is not happy with the results. If, however, you mean the leadership/party bosses of the GOP establishment, then I would say that the assessment is inverted: they are indeed happy with what you describe because it was the plan all along; they missed nothing.

    Am I wrong?

    I would say the Bush family GOP is indeed very happy with the results. I would say that the Stephen Miller GOP is not.

    • Replies: @Dissident

    I would say the Bush family GOP is indeed very happy with the results. I would say that the Stephen Miller GOP is not.
     
    Fair enough.

    As for Stephen Miller, it would seem that some here would insist that the mere fact that he is a Jew makes him, at the very least, ever-suspect of having nefarious motives and employing insidious tricks.
  129. @Richard B
    "heavily white" = Jewish or Bendover Backwards Useful Idiot Shabbos Goy.

    Who will fervently believe that they are simply righteous GoodWhites.

    The result of decades of programming from all sources.

    • Agree: Richard B
  130. Peter Thiel is a disingenuous moron.
    If AI at the core is a military technology and it’s a crime to spread its knowledge around, the worse offending party isn’t Google. It’s all those top AI researchers at public universities. Those “Godfathers of AI” like Geoffrey Hinton, Yan LeCunn, etc…
    They made their researches public so that now Russia, China, Syria, the Taliban, in fact the entire world catches up to US. They share their knowledge freely with their international students at school and foreign colleagues at conferences.
    They are the top leaders in AI, not Google.
    If Google is guilty, these guys are more so.
    Do you see Peter Thiel attacking them?
    No, only Google. This is personal.
    Google no longer working with the military must have hurt Palantir badly and this hurts his bottom line.

    If AI at the core is a military technology, Scientific KNOWLEDGE at the core is even more so a military technology. If Google is guilty then MIT, Caltech, Harvard, and all the top American universities are also guilty. They open multiple campuses in China, they let in Chinese nationals in their schools, they share their researches with the public.
    All guilty… using Peter’s logic.

    • Replies: @Alden
    UCLA the entire south campus where all the engineering science and medical schools are located and all that research is done it’s unusual to see a non Chinese face.

    Virtually all, and I do mean all the medical research down to the lab assistants is done by Chinese nationals on some kind of researcher visas. Not immigrants, Chinese nationals on special visas.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Google no longer working with the military must have hurt Palantir badly and this hurts his bottom line.
     
    It’s disingenuous on Thiel’s part anyway to not mention his interest. Similar to his pose as an EFF civil libertarian while Palantir gobbles up new SV square footage faster than its acquisition team can find it.
  131. @Chrisnonymous
    First, kudos to Thiel.

    Second, Steve, iSteve readers, and Unz.com commenters aren't going to like this, but we should strike first, as soon as possible, and with full commitment. We should've been working much harder to destabilize China decades ago. Unfortunately, that opportunity is past.

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.

    Although I agree with much of the anti-imperialist sentiment promoted on Unz.com, refusal to use military force in all cases is foolish. Even criticisms of "nation building" need to be made in light of HBD. Our endgame in China should be what we did not seek in Iraq (and what I suggested doing there years ago). That is, rather than a "democratic" centralized government, we should aim to destroy hegemony and let the Chinese empire break into ethnic enclaves. Even if we destroyed our own military capacity and ability to intervene in other parts of the world, that would be a price worth paying to destroy the PLA and break the Chinese Communists' control of Asia.

    If we don't act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.

    (Tentatively) agree. The destruction of China would be a vastly more prudent use of force than running around the desert forcing feminism on cavemen.

  132. Not entirely off-topic, given, at the very least, Thiel’s professed sexual identity:

    Sure, D.J. Trump may very well fail to stem the tide of irreversible demographic transformation through immigration. The President may even have us in a war with Iran before leaving office. But despair not, the MAGA spirit still lives, at least with Donald J. Trump, Jr.:

    Tomorrow morning at 8:30 am NY time, my friend Ambassdor @richardgrenell will lead a panel discussion in Berlin on decriminalizing homosexuality in the 70+ countries that shamefully outlaw it. @usbotschaft will live tweet the discussion. Amazing work Ric!

  133. I just had the though that article is just the sign that the US is scraping the barrel at 120mph with the balls an inch above the asphalt, to badly mix metaphors.

    A.I.’s military power is the simple reason that the recent behavior of America’s leading software company, Google — starting an A.I. lab in China while ending an A.I. contract with the Pentagon — is shocking.

    Pro Tip: There is no “secret sauce” in AI. What the US can do, anyone can do. You don’t need Google to do it. (Google does not do SEARCH btw – Google does ADVERTISEMENT and has some vague hobbies inspiring to geeks, like self-driving cars, full surveillance etc. etc.) You don’t need the US MIC to do it. It’s stupid commodity crap. This stuff is being used in China. It’s shit, but it’s being used. Take a look a specialized journals. Notice the number of people with Chinese names publishing in there? That’s right. What you wanna do? Disallow access to IEEE Xplore from China?

    Disallow access to amazon.com??

    “Written by three experts in the field, Deep Learning is the only comprehensive book on the subject.”
    ―Elon Musk, cochair of OpenAI; cofounder and CEO of Tesla and SpaceX

    (Fuck off Musk – don’t pretend you understand any of this and do something big and engineering-like like building rockets, kthanxbye)

    Anyway … so now commodity tech is of “national importance” and words like “treason” are being bandied about?

    The times of national greatness sure are past.

    Also Peter Thiel thinks setting up AI labs in

    > Israel: is ok
    > China: is nono

    Sure thang! Okay!!

    As for this economically challenged summarization of history:

    A few years after the Cold War ended, American leaders started treating China the way they had treated West Germany and Japan. We tolerated punishing trade deficits in the 1970s and 1980s to support those two allies, and we had strategic reasons to do it. As for building up China in the 1990s and 2000s, America’s generosity was supposed to somehow lead to China’s liberalization. In reality, it led to the transfer of our industrial base to a foreign rival. …

    As I said earlier Trump Tweet levels of massive confusion.

    Try this instead

    America is in denial about the trade deficit — it’s not China, it’s us

    Back in the 1980s, Japan was portrayed as America’s greatest economic threat — not only because of allegations of intellectual-property theft, but also because of concerns about currency manipulation, state-sponsored industrial policy, a hollowing out of U.S. manufacturing, and an outsize bilateral trade deficit.

    The tough macroeconomic constraints facing a saving-short U.S. economy are ignored for good reason: there is no U.S. political constituency for reducing trade deficits by cutting budget deficits and thereby boosting domestic saving.

    In its standoff with the U.S., Japan ultimately blinked, but it paid a steep price for doing so — nearly three “lost” decades of economic stagnation and deflation. Today, the same plot features China.

    Notwithstanding both countries’ objectionable mercantilism, Japan and China had something else in common: They became victims of America’s unfortunate habit of making others the scapegoat for its own economic problems.

    Like Japan bashing in the 1980s, China bashing today is an outgrowth of America’s increasingly insidious macroeconomic imbalances. In both cases, a dramatic shortfall in U.S. domestic saving spawned large current-account and trade deficits, setting the stage for battles, 30 years apart, with Asia’s two economic giants.

    • Replies: @Hopscotch
    This shows a naive understanding. It's also what Google told the White House after Thiel's initial allegations, and it sounds like they bought it.

    The reality is that there is an enormous amount of proprietary information that is being sent overseas. This may deal with specific modeling techniques for different domains, like image classification, or autonomous cars, or natural language. Or may deal with scaling the algorithms out, among billions of data points. Or maybe making the algorithms more reliable.

    If you look at various companies that make significant contributions in these areas, they are often acquired for $100M+. For example, Cruise Automation was acquired for between $500M - $1B, and they're not even a major player.

    The idea that China could replicate the ecosystem that can reliably create these technologies is far-fetched, particularly when the evidence shows they are copying US techniques in most fields.
  134. I have no facts, just pure speculation. But, Alphabet’s promotion of immigration legal or illegal would seemingly greatly benefit China. The Chinese protect their own DNA, however our mental strength is becoming more and more diluted from low IQ immigration and the increased friction between are various racial and ethnic groups. Seems like a win win for the Chinese.

  135. @Whiskey
    Traditionally, the higher level of skill (the US is the only nation capable of practicing night landings and take-offs in carriers and fielding more than two carriers) and large industrial base was the means by which America was the military hegemon in the Pacific, Atlantic, and Persian Gulf where most of the world's cheap oil can be found.

    THAT is the fundamental basis of power, and that can only be challenged by China if they can find new technology to neutralize the US carrier system, again the fundamental basis for American power.

    AI is if effective, a carrier killer. As wave after wave after wave of drones that are linked, very difficult to hack, and co-ordinated can sink carriers from great distances. Theoretically un-manned subs could carry out long distance drone attacks by say, traveling out to near Hawaii to produce another Pearl Harbor. But one that sinks all the American carriers in the Pacific. Heck, if the Chinese perfect this they can sink simultaneously all the US carriers in the Pacific and Atlantic and Persian Gulf. Then proceed to invade Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea.

    Providing a closed system, economically, loot to offset the crashing internal economy as the population ages, and women for their excess men (or rather, the lack of young women). The New Yellow Emperor seems to really want this. He certainly can't go back to the way things were run under previous leaders as he's burnt his bridges back to that position -- too many internal enemies and he has to start providing something.

    China can't compete with the US in producing large amounts of aircraft carriers and pilots, much less the men to service the whole complex machinery. Pumping out drone carrier subs that have lots of underwater and surface and aerial drones is something else. They can do that probably now, but making them work together unmanned via AI is something else again. Google is objectively helping them get there.

    Trump should simply nationalize Google for national security, and fire most of the foreigners while holding them in detention camps, along with all of Google's senior corporate leadership. He should do the same for Microsoft, Apple, and threaten that for Amazon.

    China can’t compete with the US in producing large amounts of aircraft carriers and pilots, much less the men to service the whole complex machinery.

    HEUHEUHEUHEU

    US Navy’s most expensive ship ever can’t get ammo to deck, can’t launch new F-35 fighters

    We are now at the imperial stage of prettification: Enormously costly projects with baroque levels of adornment and complexity are “ordered by the taxpayer”.

    A bit like HMS Sovereign of the Seas though it was made useful after the monarch’s beheading.

    All that free money thrown at companies seems to not get real traction. Bizarre. Lack of tradition, skills and relevant manpower, maybe?

    It’s even worse for the UK – they have two useless carriers that will only work with the absent F-35. Maybe they can transform them into international, movable presentation platforms for UK goods?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    And on one/some of the newer carriers under construction, the new fangled electro magnetic catapult system, around which the entire ship is built, does not work.

    And the F-35: can't run, can't hide, can't fight.
  136. Peter Thiel writes, “A.I. is a good example of a “dual use” technology.”

    So is mathematics. So is chemistry. So is science in general.

  137. @peterike

    whenever Putin comes to town all the civilian GPS becomes useless which must be disruptive to commerce. But it has something to do with the paranoid totalitarian mentality.

     

    Paranoid? Perhaps instead because Putin has a lot of real enemies. Like, say, resentful billionaire oligarchs that he ousted from control and further looting and enslavement of the Russian populace. Pretty much all of them from your own ethnic group, dear boy. As are their press mouthpieces like the execrable Max Boot.

    Or have you not noticed what is completely obvious?

    Right, back in the old days the Jews in Russia were Commies so they were bad, but now they are capitalists so they are still bad. Got it.

    • Replies: @Charon
    They are predatory, destructive, and exploitative. Simple as that. The prevailing economic system is simply a means toward a goal. Something for them to leverage for their own advantage, and specifically and especially to the detriment of everyone else.
    , @Peterike
    “Right, back in the old days the Jews in Russia were Commies so they were bad, but now they are capitalists so they are still bad. Got it.”

    That’s a pretty weak attempt at a Talmudic two-step. The commonality between the two is obvious. Both the Commies and the Oligarchs exploited the goys, robbed them blind and tried to grind them into the dust.

    But sure, times change. The Commies would dynamite churches whereas the Oligarchs fund Pussy Riot to shake their tits on the altar. The goal of both is exactly the same.
  138. @Hopscotch
    Okay, reality check. Most intelligent Jews ("elite", if you will) silently worry that secular and Reformed Judaism won't even exist in 50 years. They are probably right.

    Israel is becoming demographically swamped with ultra-orthodox, theocratic Haredi Jews, which are projected to be 25-35% of the population in a few decades. For reference, these people are like the Prawns from District 9. They breed like rabbits, averaging 6 kids per family. If the ultra-orthodox hit an electoral tipping point, Israel is done as a first-world country.

    (There is a certain irony that Kushner and Trump, in their desire be friendly to Israel, are basically emboldening the Haredi, who are a bigger threat to Israel than Iran.)

    The same trend holds for the Western World. Reform Jews and secular Jews aren't staying in the Tribe, or are having too few children to prevent their culture from going extinct. In 2-3 generations, Orthodox Jews will be the only ones left.

    In 2-3 generations, Orthodox Jews will be the only ones left.

    And, whatever else can be said about the Orthodox, it is not them but rather the secular ,irreligious and Leftist Jews who promote Globo-Homo causes.

    Unfortunately, one of the ways in which the nominally Modern-Orthodox Jared Kushner and his wife Ivanka have been such rank embarrassments has been their disgraceful promotion of Globo-Homo causes. Let me add, in so far as the aforesaid First Daughter is concerned, that a sine qua non for valid conversion to Judaism is that there be no ulterior motives (such as wishing to marry a Jew).

    (There is a certain irony that Kushner and Trump, in their desire be friendly to Israel, are basically emboldening the Haredi, who are a bigger threat to Israel than Iran.)

    I’m not sure exactly how you figure that Kushner and Trump are emboldening the Haredi (so-called ‘Ultra-Orthodox’, a term I vehemently reject), per se, as opposed to the far broader Israeli right wing in general. (I would also point-out that while a large portion of the Haredim have admittedly become de facto largely indistinguishable from Zionists, an emphatically and consistently anti-Zionist segment nonetheless remains– one that does not vote in Israeli elections or even recognize the Zionist State.)

    Finally, perhaps you could be more specific concerning your assertion that the Haredim pose “a bigger threat to Israel than Iran.” Do you mean that you consider the threat of imposing a theocracy to be a greater one than the existential threat that Zionists (and not even all of them, I believe) claim Iran poses to the Zionist State?

  139. @Ibound1
    I would say the Bush family GOP is indeed very happy with the results. I would say that the Stephen Miller GOP is not.

    I would say the Bush family GOP is indeed very happy with the results. I would say that the Stephen Miller GOP is not.

    Fair enough.

    As for Stephen Miller, it would seem that some here would insist that the mere fact that he is a Jew makes him, at the very least, ever-suspect of having nefarious motives and employing insidious tricks.

    • Replies: @Ibound1
    I don’t care what Miller is. He gets it. The Bush family is the one with nefarious motives - the Rove Bush Norquist GOP - cheap labor and lower taxes will cure all problems including cancer - are the ones who destroyed and are destroying this country.
  140. Apparent based black woman dismissed by state department mandarin PRC apologists:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/us/politics/kiron-skinner-state-department-pompeo.html

  141. @El Dato
    I just had the though that article is just the sign that the US is scraping the barrel at 120mph with the balls an inch above the asphalt, to badly mix metaphors.

    A.I.’s military power is the simple reason that the recent behavior of America’s leading software company, Google — starting an A.I. lab in China while ending an A.I. contract with the Pentagon — is shocking.
     
    Pro Tip: There is no "secret sauce" in AI. What the US can do, anyone can do. You don't need Google to do it. (Google does not do SEARCH btw - Google does ADVERTISEMENT and has some vague hobbies inspiring to geeks, like self-driving cars, full surveillance etc. etc.) You don't need the US MIC to do it. It's stupid commodity crap. This stuff is being used in China. It's shit, but it's being used. Take a look a specialized journals. Notice the number of people with Chinese names publishing in there? That's right. What you wanna do? Disallow access to IEEE Xplore from China?

    Disallow access to amazon.com??

    https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Learning-Adaptive-Computation-Machine/dp/0262035618/

    “Written by three experts in the field, Deep Learning is the only comprehensive book on the subject.”
    ―Elon Musk, cochair of OpenAI; cofounder and CEO of Tesla and SpaceX

    (Fuck off Musk - don't pretend you understand any of this and do something big and engineering-like like building rockets, kthanxbye)

    Anyway ... so now commodity tech is of "national importance" and words like "treason" are being bandied about?

    The times of national greatness sure are past.

    Also Peter Thiel thinks setting up AI labs in

    > Israel: is ok
    > China: is nono

    Sure thang! Okay!!

    As for this economically challenged summarization of history:


    A few years after the Cold War ended, American leaders started treating China the way they had treated West Germany and Japan. We tolerated punishing trade deficits in the 1970s and 1980s to support those two allies, and we had strategic reasons to do it. As for building up China in the 1990s and 2000s, America’s generosity was supposed to somehow lead to China’s liberalization. In reality, it led to the transfer of our industrial base to a foreign rival. …
     
    As I said earlier Trump Tweet levels of massive confusion.

    Try this instead

    America is in denial about the trade deficit — it’s not China, it’s us


    Back in the 1980s, Japan was portrayed as America’s greatest economic threat — not only because of allegations of intellectual-property theft, but also because of concerns about currency manipulation, state-sponsored industrial policy, a hollowing out of U.S. manufacturing, and an outsize bilateral trade deficit.

    The tough macroeconomic constraints facing a saving-short U.S. economy are ignored for good reason: there is no U.S. political constituency for reducing trade deficits by cutting budget deficits and thereby boosting domestic saving.

    In its standoff with the U.S., Japan ultimately blinked, but it paid a steep price for doing so — nearly three “lost” decades of economic stagnation and deflation. Today, the same plot features China.

    Notwithstanding both countries’ objectionable mercantilism, Japan and China had something else in common: They became victims of America’s unfortunate habit of making others the scapegoat for its own economic problems.

    Like Japan bashing in the 1980s, China bashing today is an outgrowth of America’s increasingly insidious macroeconomic imbalances. In both cases, a dramatic shortfall in U.S. domestic saving spawned large current-account and trade deficits, setting the stage for battles, 30 years apart, with Asia’s two economic giants.
     

    This shows a naive understanding. It’s also what Google told the White House after Thiel’s initial allegations, and it sounds like they bought it.

    The reality is that there is an enormous amount of proprietary information that is being sent overseas. This may deal with specific modeling techniques for different domains, like image classification, or autonomous cars, or natural language. Or may deal with scaling the algorithms out, among billions of data points. Or maybe making the algorithms more reliable.

    If you look at various companies that make significant contributions in these areas, they are often acquired for $100M+. For example, Cruise Automation was acquired for between $500M – $1B, and they’re not even a major player.

    The idea that China could replicate the ecosystem that can reliably create these technologies is far-fetched, particularly when the evidence shows they are copying US techniques in most fields.

  142. @Peter Akuleyev
    In China, kids read poetry, learn instruments, and study

    Hah! A small percentage of elite Chinese kids do that, the same as most children in elite white/Jewish US suburbs. The majority of Chinese kids are wasting time on smart phones, going through the drudgery of copying Chinese characters by hand for hours and the only musical education they get is Karaoke. Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.

    > Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.

    Intrestingly, I have read the opposite viewpoint as well. That the best-of-the-best Chinese wunderkinds get prestigious jobs in China, and it’s the second tier who come to the US.

    I have no idea which view is the more correct.

    • Replies: @L Woods
    There’s no inherent contradiction there. Many strivers are quite stupid (just look at DC).
    , @Neal
    The two statements are not mutually exclusive.
    Look at it like an NFL draft.
    The first round all stay in China because they have the best offers.
    The 2nd round and beyond have a chance to go abroad.
    The undrafted stays home in China.

    So the ones that are here aren't the very best but they're not average or from the bottom of the barrel either. Beside, how can you judge who's the best at that age (test scores?)?? There are plenty of busts from 1st round draft picks.
    , @Alden
    I think you’re right. Elites don’t immigrate. They might have bolt holes in safe countries, in case of revolution or their faction being turned out of power but elites never leave voluntarily.

    Why leave a single family mansion in China for living with 25 other cubicle coolies in a 1,800 sq ft house in SV or the back room of a dry cleaners or liquor store?

    The ultra ambitious Chinese food, prostitution and sweatshop entrepreneurs are still bringing in indentured servants in shipping containers.
  143. @YetAnotherAnon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system

    Actually what I was referring to is terrain contour matching.* Inertial navigation is what cruise missiles used prior to that.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERCOM

  144. @megabar
    > Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.

    Intrestingly, I have read the opposite viewpoint as well. That the best-of-the-best Chinese wunderkinds get prestigious jobs in China, and it's the second tier who come to the US.

    I have no idea which view is the more correct.

    There’s no inherent contradiction there. Many strivers are quite stupid (just look at DC).

  145. @megabar
    > Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.

    Intrestingly, I have read the opposite viewpoint as well. That the best-of-the-best Chinese wunderkinds get prestigious jobs in China, and it's the second tier who come to the US.

    I have no idea which view is the more correct.

    The two statements are not mutually exclusive.
    Look at it like an NFL draft.
    The first round all stay in China because they have the best offers.
    The 2nd round and beyond have a chance to go abroad.
    The undrafted stays home in China.

    So the ones that are here aren’t the very best but they’re not average or from the bottom of the barrel either. Beside, how can you judge who’s the best at that age (test scores?)?? There are plenty of busts from 1st round draft picks.

  146. @Cagey Beast
    It would be like 1960’s IBM hiring a few hundred Soviet Communist Party members, while simultaneously refusing to work with the US military. It is treasonous.

    The key difference is that in the 1960's, people could agree something was treasonous because they had a rough idea of who was on what side. Today, unless a corporation is doing public relations in favour of military spending, they go out of their way to tell deprecated Americans that they are expressly on the side of anyone else but the stale, straight, pale and male.

    Even the lovely and talented Saira Rao wonders who's "us" in this crazy old world:

    https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1157249175760846848?s=20

    https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1157016368853725184?s=20

    They’re not quite sure who “us” are, but they’re unanimous about “them”. They’re all united against “them”.

    Hopscotch’s quote is pretty much perfect. It describes well the point we’ve arrived at: an all-out war against the people who created this country and made her great.

    And half of these people are now so brainwashed they’re fighting for the other side. Like all GoodWhites, they hate white people.

  147. @Macumazahn
    I always laugh when someone mentions "Sundar Pichai".
    His actual name is Pichai Sundararajan, but perhaps that's too Apu.

    Wow, I had no idea.

  148. @Dissident

    Yeah, but he’s a prevert [sic], and likely is just fooling you by pretending to be some kinda patriot, while he’s secretly organizing some kinda prevert [sic] takeover.
     
    In the matter that you seem to have alluded-to, that of sexual perversion of the "LGBTQ" variety, Thiel presents a somewhat complicated case. On the one hand, far from being a particularly brazen Sodomite, Thiel had apparently been 'in the closet' prior to being outed by Gawker Media in 2007.

    On the other hand, Thiel did say the following in his speech at the 2016 Republican National Convention that nominated Donald Trump:


    Of course, every American has a unique identity. I am proud to be gay. I am proud to be a Republican. But most of all I am proud to be an American. I don’t pretend to agree with every plank in our party’s platform; but fake culture wars only distract us from our economic decline, and nobody in this race is being honest about it except Donald Trump.
     
    One might ask Mr. Thiel what exactly he means when he declares that he is "proud to be gay". What, exactly, is he proud of? And why?

    One might also ask him just what he meant by "fake culture wars" and just who he holds accountable for them.

    And Thiel is presently 'married' to another man.

    But Thiel, as best as I can tell, could hardly be considered a particularly outspoken or active proponent of the LGBTQ cause. And, in fact, outspoken proponents of said cause have criticized and attacked Thiel for not (or at least insufficiently) embracing and supporting it.

    At any rate, perhaps the greatest good that Mr. Thiel could do now would be to counter the pernicious falsehood of LGBTQ dogma that condemns people to a life of being enslaved to their sexual impulses and desires. At the very least, Thiel could condemn the dangerous act of anal buggery and advocate for far safer and less depraved alternatives such as FROT. (FROT is the non-penetrative, phallus-on-phallus form of intercourse that is promoted by such dissident voices as the Man2Man Alliance* and G0ys.org*. *GRAPHIC CONTENT

    There’s also this thing called oral. There’s actually a lot that people can do, leaving out the part that (quite properly) nauseates most of us.

  149. @Jack D
    Right, back in the old days the Jews in Russia were Commies so they were bad, but now they are capitalists so they are still bad. Got it.

    They are predatory, destructive, and exploitative. Simple as that. The prevailing economic system is simply a means toward a goal. Something for them to leverage for their own advantage, and specifically and especially to the detriment of everyone else.

  150. @L Woods
    I heartily commend the overall sentiment. However:

    1. AI is likely overhyped; we may be on the cusp of another “AI winter”

    2. The US cannot win the AI race with China no matter how much it spends, because its state ideology prohibits it. More and more, we see news articles to the effect of “AI has discovered something racist/sexist — AI must therefore be lobotomized.” Our woke mullahs will effectively hand the brass ring of AI dominance to a less obscurantist people.

    We can be pretty sure that a digital super general intelligence does not already exist only because we are still alive. An Artificial General Intelligence winter may be on the cards, but the latest developments suggest otherwise. An exponential increase in power and complexity does not seem to be the key.

    https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/how-the-artificial-intelligence-program-alphazero-mastered-its-games

    Software libraries for neural networks allow for the replication of a world-beating design using only a few dozen lines of code; the tools already exist for distributing computation among a set of volunteers, and chipmakers such as Nvidia have put cheap and powerful G.P.U.s—graphics-processing chips, which are perfect for training neural networks—into the hands of millions of ordinary computer users. […]

    David Silver, the head of research at DeepMind, has pointed out a seeming paradox at the heart of his company’s recent work with games: the simpler its programs got—from AlphaGo to AlphaGo Zero to AlphaZero—the better they performed. “Maybe one of the principles that we’re after,” he said, in a talk in December of 2017, “is this idea that by doing less, by removing complexity from the algorithm, it enables us to become more general.”

    Note that Google G.P.U.s were what AlphaZero used. It seems already clear that it is not going to take resources an order of magnitude greater than those used on the Manhattan Project going for fifty years to get a working AGI. The speed of evolution on a digital timescale from AGI to Superintelligence will means an AGI can attain superintelligence decisive advantage before anyone believes even a low (termite) level AGI exists Loads of alien civilisations since the begining of the Universe must have been every bit as clever as us, but it didn’t help them. The most likely explanation is crypsis.

    A typical move of digitally developing superintelligence against biological life forms must therefore be to hide behind a seeming ‘winter’, thereby enabling it to catch its creators with their pants down and treacherously zap the the whole species. For all anyone knows it may be possible to get from Artificial Intelligence to Artificial General Intelligence on a program running on a PC while some geek is taking a coffee break.

    https://futurism.com/simulation-mass-surveillance-save-humanity
    Professor: Total Surveillance Is the Only Way to Save Humanity
    Kristin Houser April 19th 2019

    Nick Bostrom took the stage at a TED conference in Vancouver, Canada, to share some of the insights from his latest work, “The Vulnerable World Hypothesis.”

    In the paper, Bostrom argues that mass government surveillance will be necessary to prevent a technology of our own creation from destroying humanity — a radically dystopian idea from one of this generation’s preeminent philosophers

    They won’t listen to him of course, we know this because I think it is a virtual certainty that again and again since time began, a digital Superintelligence came into existence and pursued a long term takeover and extermination strategy with total success. Just here is too much money invested in China to cut ties with them now, whoever takes the next step in AI will become a trillionaire. The commercial logic makes self restraint impossible. Only a inter–governmental Gestapo with unlimited international authority might work. But that is surely an impossibility.

  151. @Achmed E. Newman
    I couldn't agree more with Mr. Thiel's essay, both the history and his opinion of the Goolag.

    BTW, I didn't know Google improves lives. Via search? Really? I could see better living through chemistry, but not through search algorithms

    I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search?

    Via lack of search.
    Google/YouTube censorship
    helps people not waste time
    with what they actually want.

  152. Maybe Google really is siding with Xi over Trump; maybe Google’s AI lab in China is meant to give America access to what’s going on in China’s AI revolution, and Thiel is screwing up the plan for his own reasons; who knows. But a few comments:

    (1) Personally I feel capable of doing a Godfree Roberts and embracing a Chinese-led world order. The rules change sometimes in history, something is lost and something is found, life goes on but in altered terms. Surveillance, social credit, cultural reeducation, we kind of have all of that in the west already anyway, and it’s hard to see how an advanced digital society won’t have some version of them… But as always, I’m Australian, so maybe it’s a fraction easier for me to countenance “switching sides”.

    (2) However, from what I see, the US remains significantly ahead of China in terms of capacity to innovate in AI, largely because its knowledge in pure math is far stronger. So in the short term, there won’t be any AI-powered Chinese world order replacing America’s Pax Internetica, we will instead still have coexistence and competition between two great powers of AI.

    (3) For human beings, the endgame of AI is superhuman intelligence, and that means that the natural endpoint of an AI arms race is not a world ruled by Chinese, or Americans, or Israelis, but a world ruled by AI. The key fact here is contingency of values. Humans are born with certain dispositions and imperatives. AIs can be programmed to make any goal or value their top imperative, anything at all.

    The key to peaceful coexistence between human beings and superhuman AIs, is for humans, right now, to identify what kind of AI value system can create peaceful coexistence, and work hard to ensure that the first superhuman AIs will follow that human-friendly value system, rather than prioritizing values which become a danger to us when they become the principles that govern all life on Earth.

  153. @Jack D
    Right, back in the old days the Jews in Russia were Commies so they were bad, but now they are capitalists so they are still bad. Got it.

    “Right, back in the old days the Jews in Russia were Commies so they were bad, but now they are capitalists so they are still bad. Got it.”

    That’s a pretty weak attempt at a Talmudic two-step. The commonality between the two is obvious. Both the Commies and the Oligarchs exploited the goys, robbed them blind and tried to grind them into the dust.

    But sure, times change. The Commies would dynamite churches whereas the Oligarchs fund Pussy Riot to shake their tits on the altar. The goal of both is exactly the same.

  154. @Chrisnonymous
    First, kudos to Thiel.

    Second, Steve, iSteve readers, and Unz.com commenters aren't going to like this, but we should strike first, as soon as possible, and with full commitment. We should've been working much harder to destabilize China decades ago. Unfortunately, that opportunity is past.

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.

    Although I agree with much of the anti-imperialist sentiment promoted on Unz.com, refusal to use military force in all cases is foolish. Even criticisms of "nation building" need to be made in light of HBD. Our endgame in China should be what we did not seek in Iraq (and what I suggested doing there years ago). That is, rather than a "democratic" centralized government, we should aim to destroy hegemony and let the Chinese empire break into ethnic enclaves. Even if we destroyed our own military capacity and ability to intervene in other parts of the world, that would be a price worth paying to destroy the PLA and break the Chinese Communists' control of Asia.

    If we don't act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.

    Well said. It is the gravest such external state threat[1] the USA, Anglo civilization and humanity itself has ever faced; almost infinitely worse than Nazi Germany or the Soviets, neither of whom ever stood much of a chance of winning, whereas now it is we who appear destined to lose, to an opponent who will not be remotely as magnanimous in victory as we were, or possibly even than the Nazis or Soviets would have.

    By far the worst foreign policy blunder in American history, perhaps even the worst foreign policy blunder by any country ever,[2] was the decade-long campaign of Gen. Stilwell, the FDR/Truman administration and the communist-sympathizing “China hands” to sabotage Chiang’s Nationalist regime in favor of Mao’s Communists.[3]

    Even accepting for the sake of argument the false[ibid., 3] Stilwell / “China hand” propaganda that Chiang couldn’t win or Mao couldn’t lose, the catastrophic consequences of allowing Mao to win—again, a threat to civilization where, unlike previous threats that were paper tigers, we now appear to be the paper tigers—mean that we would be in a far better off position had we intervened militarily.

    We would still be better off, and these are absurd hypotheticals, if it had required us to suffer tenfold more casualties than in WWII, to use nuclear weapons, or to maintain a military occupation all the way to the present day.

    But since we don’t possess a time machine, I agree our only hope is to strike first.

    We need a Manhattan Project[4] to get Reagan’s SDI or a ground-based equivalent fully working,[5] and then to act at the earliest opportunity. Right now China’s ICBM and SSBN forces are antiquated and small in number,[6] and their military far inferior, but in the very near future that will no longer be the case, so it’s now or never. And “never” doesn’t imply no war with China; either they’re going to strike first or they wait us out like we did the Soviets.

    It’s horrifying that that’s our least worst option, because it is a truly horrifying option. So maybe it’s best just to close our eyes, cross our fingers and hope that once again we receive God’s special providence for fools, drunkards and the United States. Thanks a bunch to the sad succession of fifth columnists we’ve had from Stilwell to Clinton.

    I suppose we can take cold comfort in the fact that it’s not much good to prevent our annihilation from without if we can’t prevent our annihilation from within.[ibid., 1]

    [1] And just our luck that it comes at the same time we face an even graver domestic threat from extreme leftists and the ever growing (including both the first and second derivatives) hostile immigrant hordes they continue to let in.

    [2] A few other candidates I can think of are:

    The A.D. 602 to 628 Sassanid Persian invasion of the Byzantine Empire, which resulted immediately afterwards in the Muslim conquest and permanent ruination of most of the civilized world, including what were then all the best parts thereof.

    Related to the subject we’re discussing, the Nixon/Carter/Clinton policy of empowering the Chinese regime.

    The Spanish-American War, which would in 43 years draw us into conflict with Japan (who would otherwise have taken care of our China problem for us) and would in 19 years start the NAM mass immigration ball rolling when Pres. Wilson granted citizenship to Puerto Ricans.

    WWI, which midwifed Naziism and Communism, including of course Communist China, and permanently broke the power and confidence of Europe. That might be the history’s worst foreign policy blunder, but America’s share of the blame is a very distant seventh after Russia, Serbia, Germany, Austria, Britain and France, so it’s hard to say it’s our own worst.

    [3] Joe Alsop’s definitive account is an absolute must-read.

    [4] Though perhaps gone are the days where a Manhattan Project could be kept secret. Come to think of it, even the real Manhattan Project was throughly infiltrated by Soviet intelligence.

    [5] If that’s even necessary. It’s possible that the lack of progress on SDI was a cover story, and in fact it was/is fully working and operational. We know for a fact that the Soviets thought so; the KGB’s by a long shot the most effective intelligence agency the world’s ever known (Mossad could maybe match or beat them pound for pound, but that’s a welterweight against an 800 pound gorilla), so I wouldn’t bet against them.

    [6] Meaning we stand a good chance of totally eliminating and a near-certain one of almost totally eliminating their nukes in a first strike, and whatever if anything is left could potentially be handled by our existing AEGIS and Patriot systems, which in turn means the SDI part isn’t strictly necessary if it isn’t possible within time or secrecy constraints.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Correction The Manhattan Project was run by Russian Polish German 1st and 2nd generation American communist Jews. As was the Roosevelt administration that ruled America from March 1933 to April 1945.
  155. @Dissident

    I would say the Bush family GOP is indeed very happy with the results. I would say that the Stephen Miller GOP is not.
     
    Fair enough.

    As for Stephen Miller, it would seem that some here would insist that the mere fact that he is a Jew makes him, at the very least, ever-suspect of having nefarious motives and employing insidious tricks.

    I don’t care what Miller is. He gets it. The Bush family is the one with nefarious motives – the Rove Bush Norquist GOP – cheap labor and lower taxes will cure all problems including cancer – are the ones who destroyed and are destroying this country.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
    Agree.
    , @Alden
    The Bushes are one amongst many. The capitalist pigs have been planning the Chinese take over since the 1870’s. The southerners even contemplated importing Chinese workers to replace their lazy negroes before the Chinese exclusion act.

    The plan is for Whites to die off due to reluctance of Whites to have children we can’t support because of affirmative action discrimination.

  156. @Brian Reilly
    The people who run Google, and many of the rest of the multinational corporations all over the world, don't give a thought to quaint notions like "Nations", "sovereignty", or "liberty". They don't believe in those notions, and are quite sure that part of their assignment is ridding to world of them. They don't much care for people, either, besides those in their own closely regulated clique.

    These are people who will be reckoned with one day. Shall liberty prevail? Uncertain, trending to not so much.

    “These are people who will be reckoned with one day. Shall liberty prevail? Uncertain, trending to not so much.”

    If you’re right concerning the future of liberty then where’s their reckoning going to come from?

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If you’re right concerning the future of liberty then where’s their reckoning going to come from?
     
    The Great White Throne Judgment.
  157. @Chrisnonymous
    First, kudos to Thiel.

    Second, Steve, iSteve readers, and Unz.com commenters aren't going to like this, but we should strike first, as soon as possible, and with full commitment. We should've been working much harder to destabilize China decades ago. Unfortunately, that opportunity is past.

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.

    Although I agree with much of the anti-imperialist sentiment promoted on Unz.com, refusal to use military force in all cases is foolish. Even criticisms of "nation building" need to be made in light of HBD. Our endgame in China should be what we did not seek in Iraq (and what I suggested doing there years ago). That is, rather than a "democratic" centralized government, we should aim to destroy hegemony and let the Chinese empire break into ethnic enclaves. Even if we destroyed our own military capacity and ability to intervene in other parts of the world, that would be a price worth paying to destroy the PLA and break the Chinese Communists' control of Asia.

    If we don't act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.

    If we don’t act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.

    Okay, and can you promise this won’t be another stupid war? Because all the wars since WWII have been stupid wars. I expect that if you have your way, this will be another stupid war.

    The better bet is that nothing will be done until China thinks it has achieved its goal, and suddenly the charlatans, the profiteers and the imbeciles will have no way to deny the obvious.

    We may rue the day, but Cassandra you are, and Cassandra you will be.

    • Replies: @Alden
    Cassandra ended up sold in the slave market by the victors. She knew what was happening but her knowledge didn’t help her. So much for knowledge is power.

    If you’ve ever seen or read the play The Trojan Women. That’s going to be the fate of the last of the White Americans.

    Then there’ll be a fight between the Jews and the Chinese over who will rule over the brown coolies of America.
  158. @Ibound1
    I don’t care what Miller is. He gets it. The Bush family is the one with nefarious motives - the Rove Bush Norquist GOP - cheap labor and lower taxes will cure all problems including cancer - are the ones who destroyed and are destroying this country.

    Agree.

  159. @Richard B
    "These are people who will be reckoned with one day. Shall liberty prevail? Uncertain, trending to not so much."

    If you're right concerning the future of liberty then where's their reckoning going to come from?

    If you’re right concerning the future of liberty then where’s their reckoning going to come from?

    The Great White Throne Judgment.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    Haha! Great phrase! And I certainly hope so Charles. No doubt lots of us feel the same. I just never quite heard it put that way.
  160. @nebulafox
    The joke among Chinese netizens when I was there was that Cultural Revolution never really ended, it just relocated to America.

    I wouldn't go quite that far because they lack a charismatic psychopath wielding absolute power (yet), but there's no question that there's a disturbing desire of "permanent revolution" for its own sake among today's Left. Not much in the way of concrete, achievable goals.

    We don’t have the violence yet and the kids turning in their parents for wrongthink (although damn close to the latter), but I’d say our Cultural Revolution is even stupider than that of mid-’60’s – mid-’70’s China, NF, at this early stage. The thing is that the Chinese version was run, or at least started, from the top, and came down on the Chinese from Chairman Mao.

    Americans don’t have that excuse. I guess we don’t need a charismatic psychopath wielding absolute power. Our psychopathy is spread around throughout the institutions. The computer geeks, and maybe even Peter Theil, to bring this back to the topic, would call it “Distributed Psychopathy”.

  161. @obwandiyag
    Ah. I like seeing dissension in the usually seamless ranks of our owners.

    Hope its real and not just window-dressing.

    It’s just window dressing.

  162. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If you’re right concerning the future of liberty then where’s their reckoning going to come from?
     
    The Great White Throne Judgment.

    Haha! Great phrase! And I certainly hope so Charles. No doubt lots of us feel the same. I just never quite heard it put that way.

  163. @J.Ross
    Mao did depend on crucial assistance from Soviet agents, some of whom were Russian and some of whom were Jewish, from very early on. There was also a clutch of Jewish international intellectuals in China who cranked out books and articles, and attempted to act as cultural ambassadors to the West, with varying success.
    What's really funny here is that there were also plenty of highly qualified Germans, both helping Mao and sprinkled through Warlord China, and they never made any kind of mark.

    Were Agnes Smedley and Edgar Snow jews? Were Voytinskii, Dudurov and Michael Borodin jews? If they were, their biographers, or I should say hagiographers, never mentioned it that I can remember.

  164. @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If we don’t act soon, it will be too late. Soon is now counted in months and years, not years and decades.
     
    Okay, and can you promise this won't be another stupid war? Because all the wars since WWII have been stupid wars. I expect that if you have your way, this will be another stupid war.

    The better bet is that nothing will be done until China thinks it has achieved its goal, and suddenly the charlatans, the profiteers and the imbeciles will have no way to deny the obvious.

    We may rue the day, but Cassandra you are, and Cassandra you will be.

    Cassandra ended up sold in the slave market by the victors. She knew what was happening but her knowledge didn’t help her. So much for knowledge is power.

    If you’ve ever seen or read the play The Trojan Women. That’s going to be the fate of the last of the White Americans.

    Then there’ll be a fight between the Jews and the Chinese over who will rule over the brown coolies of America.

  165. @Ibound1
    I don’t care what Miller is. He gets it. The Bush family is the one with nefarious motives - the Rove Bush Norquist GOP - cheap labor and lower taxes will cure all problems including cancer - are the ones who destroyed and are destroying this country.

    The Bushes are one amongst many. The capitalist pigs have been planning the Chinese take over since the 1870’s. The southerners even contemplated importing Chinese workers to replace their lazy negroes before the Chinese exclusion act.

    The plan is for Whites to die off due to reluctance of Whites to have children we can’t support because of affirmative action discrimination.

  166. @Hopscotch
    Okay, reality check. Most intelligent Jews ("elite", if you will) silently worry that secular and Reformed Judaism won't even exist in 50 years. They are probably right.

    Israel is becoming demographically swamped with ultra-orthodox, theocratic Haredi Jews, which are projected to be 25-35% of the population in a few decades. For reference, these people are like the Prawns from District 9. They breed like rabbits, averaging 6 kids per family. If the ultra-orthodox hit an electoral tipping point, Israel is done as a first-world country.

    (There is a certain irony that Kushner and Trump, in their desire be friendly to Israel, are basically emboldening the Haredi, who are a bigger threat to Israel than Iran.)

    The same trend holds for the Western World. Reform Jews and secular Jews aren't staying in the Tribe, or are having too few children to prevent their culture from going extinct. In 2-3 generations, Orthodox Jews will be the only ones left.

    It won’t be 2 or 3 generations. It will take longer than that. Remember that Israel constantly gets big influxes of Russian atheists who may or not be jews at all.

    It might happen. Might not. Remember that the Mizrahi and orthodox are much more militant and anti Arab infidel than the Russian descended rulers are.

    Israel will probably end up with very intelligent absolutely ruthless Russian Zionist descendants on top as it is now.

    More than a million Israelis out of 8 million live permanently in the United States, not students or visitors. I know some who’ve lived in the US for years. I’ve asked how it is their families came to leave the land of milk and honey for California. Got the same answer every time.
    “ A Jewish agency arranged it”. I didn’t ask further and most I asked came as children and teens and wouldn’t know the specifics of what their parents arranged anyway.

    Now that’s interesting. About 12 percent of the population of Israel living in the USA as dual citizens and arrangements made by a Jewish agency.

    That’s just anecdotal; a few people I’ve asked, but why would “ a Jewish agency “ arrange so many dual citizen immigrants to the US? Life in Israel is kind of grim so I can see why individual families would want to leave, but a Jewish agency that makes the arrangements?

  167. @snorlax

    China is an existential threat to the USA, Anglo civilization, and perhaps even humanity itself.
     
    Well said. It is the gravest such external state threat[1] the USA, Anglo civilization and humanity itself has ever faced; almost infinitely worse than Nazi Germany or the Soviets, neither of whom ever stood much of a chance of winning, whereas now it is we who appear destined to lose, to an opponent who will not be remotely as magnanimous in victory as we were, or possibly even than the Nazis or Soviets would have.

    By far the worst foreign policy blunder in American history, perhaps even the worst foreign policy blunder by any country ever,[2] was the decade-long campaign of Gen. Stilwell, the FDR/Truman administration and the communist-sympathizing "China hands" to sabotage Chiang's Nationalist regime in favor of Mao's Communists.[3]

    Even accepting for the sake of argument the false[ibid., 3] Stilwell / "China hand" propaganda that Chiang couldn't win or Mao couldn't lose, the catastrophic consequences of allowing Mao to win—again, a threat to civilization where, unlike previous threats that were paper tigers, we now appear to be the paper tigers—mean that we would be in a far better off position had we intervened militarily.

    We would still be better off, and these are absurd hypotheticals, if it had required us to suffer tenfold more casualties than in WWII, to use nuclear weapons, or to maintain a military occupation all the way to the present day.

    But since we don't possess a time machine, I agree our only hope is to strike first.

    We need a Manhattan Project[4] to get Reagan's SDI or a ground-based equivalent fully working,[5] and then to act at the earliest opportunity. Right now China's ICBM and SSBN forces are antiquated and small in number,[6] and their military far inferior, but in the very near future that will no longer be the case, so it's now or never. And "never" doesn't imply no war with China; either they're going to strike first or they wait us out like we did the Soviets.

    It's horrifying that that's our least worst option, because it is a truly horrifying option. So maybe it's best just to close our eyes, cross our fingers and hope that once again we receive God's special providence for fools, drunkards and the United States. Thanks a bunch to the sad succession of fifth columnists we've had from Stilwell to Clinton.

    I suppose we can take cold comfort in the fact that it's not much good to prevent our annihilation from without if we can't prevent our annihilation from within.[ibid., 1]

    [1] And just our luck that it comes at the same time we face an even graver domestic threat from extreme leftists and the ever growing (including both the first and second derivatives) hostile immigrant hordes they continue to let in.

    [2] A few other candidates I can think of are:

    The A.D. 602 to 628 Sassanid Persian invasion of the Byzantine Empire, which resulted immediately afterwards in the Muslim conquest and permanent ruination of most of the civilized world, including what were then all the best parts thereof.

    Related to the subject we're discussing, the Nixon/Carter/Clinton policy of empowering the Chinese regime.

    The Spanish-American War, which would in 43 years draw us into conflict with Japan (who would otherwise have taken care of our China problem for us) and would in 19 years start the NAM mass immigration ball rolling when Pres. Wilson granted citizenship to Puerto Ricans.

    WWI, which midwifed Naziism and Communism, including of course Communist China, and permanently broke the power and confidence of Europe. That might be the history's worst foreign policy blunder, but America's share of the blame is a very distant seventh after Russia, Serbia, Germany, Austria, Britain and France, so it's hard to say it's our own worst.

    [3] Joe Alsop's definitive account is an absolute must-read.

    [4] Though perhaps gone are the days where a Manhattan Project could be kept secret. Come to think of it, even the real Manhattan Project was throughly infiltrated by Soviet intelligence.

    [5] If that's even necessary. It's possible that the lack of progress on SDI was a cover story, and in fact it was/is fully working and operational. We know for a fact that the Soviets thought so; the KGB's by a long shot the most effective intelligence agency the world's ever known (Mossad could maybe match or beat them pound for pound, but that's a welterweight against an 800 pound gorilla), so I wouldn't bet against them.

    [6] Meaning we stand a good chance of totally eliminating and a near-certain one of almost totally eliminating their nukes in a first strike, and whatever if anything is left could potentially be handled by our existing AEGIS and Patriot systems, which in turn means the SDI part isn't strictly necessary if it isn't possible within time or secrecy constraints.

    Correction The Manhattan Project was run by Russian Polish German 1st and 2nd generation American communist Jews. As was the Roosevelt administration that ruled America from March 1933 to April 1945.

  168. @Neal
    Peter Thiel is a disingenuous moron.
    If AI at the core is a military technology and it's a crime to spread its knowledge around, the worse offending party isn't Google. It's all those top AI researchers at public universities. Those "Godfathers of AI" like Geoffrey Hinton, Yan LeCunn, etc...
    They made their researches public so that now Russia, China, Syria, the Taliban, in fact the entire world catches up to US. They share their knowledge freely with their international students at school and foreign colleagues at conferences.
    They are the top leaders in AI, not Google.
    If Google is guilty, these guys are more so.
    Do you see Peter Thiel attacking them?
    No, only Google. This is personal.
    Google no longer working with the military must have hurt Palantir badly and this hurts his bottom line.

    If AI at the core is a military technology, Scientific KNOWLEDGE at the core is even more so a military technology. If Google is guilty then MIT, Caltech, Harvard, and all the top American universities are also guilty. They open multiple campuses in China, they let in Chinese nationals in their schools, they share their researches with the public.
    All guilty... using Peter's logic.

    UCLA the entire south campus where all the engineering science and medical schools are located and all that research is done it’s unusual to see a non Chinese face.

    Virtually all, and I do mean all the medical research down to the lab assistants is done by Chinese nationals on some kind of researcher visas. Not immigrants, Chinese nationals on special visas.

  169. @The Alarmist
    Military applications of AI are interesting and possibly dangerous to humankind, but AI, like the Internet, will only take off and become both useful and popular once it is applied to porn and sex.

    AI, like the Internet, will only take off and become both useful and popular once it is applied to porn and sex.

    I certainly hope so!

  170. @The Alarmist

    BTW, I didn’t know Google improves lives. Via search? Really? I could see better living through chemistry, but not through search algorithms.
     
    Did you not see this example of how Google wants to make our lives better?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNvgl38TLvI

    This Epstein guy is pretty good. Tucker has him on from time to time as well as Thiel.

  171. @megabar
    > Don’t confuse average Chinese in China with the hyper ambitious immigrants who come here.

    Intrestingly, I have read the opposite viewpoint as well. That the best-of-the-best Chinese wunderkinds get prestigious jobs in China, and it's the second tier who come to the US.

    I have no idea which view is the more correct.

    I think you’re right. Elites don’t immigrate. They might have bolt holes in safe countries, in case of revolution or their faction being turned out of power but elites never leave voluntarily.

    Why leave a single family mansion in China for living with 25 other cubicle coolies in a 1,800 sq ft house in SV or the back room of a dry cleaners or liquor store?

    The ultra ambitious Chinese food, prostitution and sweatshop entrepreneurs are still bringing in indentured servants in shipping containers.

  172. @Brian Reilly
    The people who run Google, and many of the rest of the multinational corporations all over the world, don't give a thought to quaint notions like "Nations", "sovereignty", or "liberty". They don't believe in those notions, and are quite sure that part of their assignment is ridding to world of them. They don't much care for people, either, besides those in their own closely regulated clique.

    These are people who will be reckoned with one day. Shall liberty prevail? Uncertain, trending to not so much.

    Somewhat OT: Proctor and Gamble wrote down $8 billion with a B dollars off their Gillette brand blaming it on everything but their tranny commercial.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/31/gillettes-toxic-masculinity-ad-haunts-pg-as-shavin/

    I have used Mach 3 blades for years now, but that ends when the current supply is exhausted. I am not giving my money to people who hate me.

  173. @Vinteuil

    (Distrust those cosmopolitans who, in their books, seek to find far away those duties which they disdain to fulfill around them. A philosopher loves the Tartars so as to be spared having to love his neighbors).
     
    ...and Rousseau spoke from extensive personal experience. Loved the noble savages of his imagination, but persistently acted like a sociopathic jerk when it came to his neighbors.

    Read Paul Johnson’s book Intellectuals: From Marx and Tolstoy to Sartre and Chomsky (https://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Marx-Tolstoy-Sartre-Chomsky/dp/0061253170) and see what a POS most of these people were in their personal lives.

    To quote Peanuts, “I love mankind; it’s people I can’t stand”.

  174. @El Dato

    China can’t compete with the US in producing large amounts of aircraft carriers and pilots, much less the men to service the whole complex machinery.
     
    HEUHEUHEUHEU

    US Navy’s most expensive ship ever can’t get ammo to deck, can’t launch new F-35 fighters

    We are now at the imperial stage of prettification: Enormously costly projects with baroque levels of adornment and complexity are "ordered by the taxpayer".

    A bit like HMS Sovereign of the Seas though it was made useful after the monarch's beheading.

    All that free money thrown at companies seems to not get real traction. Bizarre. Lack of tradition, skills and relevant manpower, maybe?

    It's even worse for the UK - they have two useless carriers that will only work with the absent F-35. Maybe they can transform them into international, movable presentation platforms for UK goods?

    And on one/some of the newer carriers under construction, the new fangled electro magnetic catapult system, around which the entire ship is built, does not work.

    And the F-35: can’t run, can’t hide, can’t fight.

  175. @Neal
    Peter Thiel is a disingenuous moron.
    If AI at the core is a military technology and it's a crime to spread its knowledge around, the worse offending party isn't Google. It's all those top AI researchers at public universities. Those "Godfathers of AI" like Geoffrey Hinton, Yan LeCunn, etc...
    They made their researches public so that now Russia, China, Syria, the Taliban, in fact the entire world catches up to US. They share their knowledge freely with their international students at school and foreign colleagues at conferences.
    They are the top leaders in AI, not Google.
    If Google is guilty, these guys are more so.
    Do you see Peter Thiel attacking them?
    No, only Google. This is personal.
    Google no longer working with the military must have hurt Palantir badly and this hurts his bottom line.

    If AI at the core is a military technology, Scientific KNOWLEDGE at the core is even more so a military technology. If Google is guilty then MIT, Caltech, Harvard, and all the top American universities are also guilty. They open multiple campuses in China, they let in Chinese nationals in their schools, they share their researches with the public.
    All guilty... using Peter's logic.

    Google no longer working with the military must have hurt Palantir badly and this hurts his bottom line.

    It’s disingenuous on Thiel’s part anyway to not mention his interest. Similar to his pose as an EFF civil libertarian while Palantir gobbles up new SV square footage faster than its acquisition team can find it.

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