Flying cars are the consumer product of the future, and always will be. Remember what they said about the amphibious kind– drive like a boat, sailed like a car.

But containerization of living space doesn’t have to be pedestrian. The tri-national architect Moshe Safdie is still in business.

Andrew solution to the H1B-L1B VISA Problem:let in as many Asian Tech Workers into the US as want to come….

Doesn’t this make Andrew Yang a GENOCIDAL MANIAC in intent towards Native Born White American Tech Workers?

BRING BACK THE 1882 CHINESE LEGAL IMMIGRANT EXCLUSION ACT!!!!

SEND HIM BACK!!!!

Andrew Yang’s solution to the H1B-L1B VISA Problem:let in as many Asian Tech Workers into the US as want to come….

Doesn’t this make Andrew Yang a GENOCIDAL MANIAC in intent towards Native Born White American Tech Workers?

BRING BACK THE 1882 CHINESE LEGAL IMMIGRANT EXCLUSION ACT!!!!

SEND HIM BACK!!!!

An honest media might care to look at building permits in CA over the last 50 years, compare the amount of immigration it has experienced and possibly calculate how much cheaper homes would be absent the addition of millions of new arrivals.

Equilibrating our standard of living with the third world countries our immigrants come from is who we are

I think you’re being uncharitable to Yang. Yang is as close to the steve-o-sphere as any candidate we’ve ever had. He explicitly states, over and over in tweets and a surprisingly lively book, that America is end-stage and explicitly that multiculturalism has destroyed trust and that he views the job of the next president as explicitly managing decline. Not a winning amount of rosy enthusiasm but we now have a guy who’s saying “demographics are baked into the cake and it’s never going to get better”. I appreciate the honesty if nothing else

“Also, maggot burgers!”

Yum Yum!

Ironically President Yang would do more to forestall this dismal future than anyone else, since his policies would arrest economic growth and therefore make America much less appealing to foreigners. A prolonged recession or even depression would surely make Americans a lot less willing to share the dwindling pie with newcomers, also.

Wall Street-approved Presidents like Obama and Trump create a lot of market confidence and greater investment, thereby kicking the can along on America’s Ponzi scheme economy.

He’s the only candidate with any novel ideas, and the only one thinking about this strange, post-scarce technocracy we’re becoming. But when it comes to Ellis Island schmaltz he might as well be Jerrold Nadler.

Pity. I could vote for him but until he Yangsplains how you can have open borders and a UBI he’s just like all the other old fossils stuck back in the Great Society. Also, as a typical affluent East Asian he’s hilariously remote from what his parents would call The Blacks.

Shipping container good…..house trailer bad.

Don’t blame me, I voted for Yodos.

Just think how easy it will be to meet labor demand across industries if everyone lives in shipping containers! No more crops rotting in the fields etc, you can just move whole labor forces on trains to their next job after each harvest/building/whatever.

It’s been fun to watch people initially sold on a free $1,000 a month return to Trump as Yang’s policy proposals and public statements have become more in line with winning the Democratic nomination.

Maybe the Matrix movie nailed it: people in stacked units of amniotic fluid; live streaming consciousness via brain implants; their duty to generate electricity for the machine overlords.

Andrew Yang would rather that Americans live in shipping containers due to overcrowding than that Americans use their democratic rights to vote to cut back on immigration.

But the reason homes are not cheaper is not really to do with a relationship between supply and demand, but because of the complex regulatory system in the US, the high cost of land, the high costs of permits, and the high profit margins taken by builders.

Lots of the immigrants who come from places like rural Honduras and El Salvador are perfectly capable of building their own homes if given the materials. When a group of Mexicans arrives in my street and completely replaces the shingles on the roof of a house in a few hours, they are paid pennies on the dollar compared the the profit taken by the US contractor.

But why use a shipping container?

If you taken a garden shed as sold at places like Ted’s Sheds, you could easily make it into a serviceable home as good or better than many homes in the Caribbean or Central America. The shed here is only $2000 retail, so cheaper than a container, and the basic shell could be adapted for residential use.

This beach hut sold in England for around $400,000, but is not that much different from the Lowes shed shown above. It sleeps 4 people. Click link for video tour.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-40686211

Inside view:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-dorset-40686211

When home prices crashed just around the time that George W Bush was ending his presidency in total ignominy, it was not due to lack of immigrants either.

In 1949, in California, a typical new 4-bedroom house near the beach cost 4 to 6 times the annual salary of a blue-collar worker with just a highschool education.

Today in California, a new 4-bedroom house near the beach costs 20 to 100 times the salary of a bluecollar worker with just a highschool education.

Massive immigration into California has greatly reduced quality of life and ability to raise a family for most native Californians, but not for the top 5% (the elites), who make money selling property, goods and services to the millions of struggling workers in the rat-colony. The rich also benefit from unlimeted cheap, desperate workers for their factories, farms, restaurants, and hotels, and as gardeners, house-cleaners, and nannies in their exclusive gated communities, far from the struggling masses.

This is part of the reason the greedy and selfish rich and powerful want high immigration.

Note that this massve change happened in my lifetime — so quick!

Remember that ad in the 70s with the crying Indian who lamented the loss of control he and his people had over his ancient homeland to outsiders? That’s you now. Everywhere shall be concreted over to sate the needs of the immigrant.

The labour markets and social geography of cities were terraformed to suit the immigrant, now comes the literal phase. Your neighbourhood, green spaces and farmland must be turned into housing for more immigrants and their descendants.

In Belgium where this process is hyper advanced and spectacular population growth from mass migration over 40 years combined with little space for growth this process is known as Brusselization.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusselization

As I’ve mentioned before, it’s interesting that in the original Star Trek series and films, San Francisco and Paris were always shown as highly preserved and liveable without giant sci-fi skyscrapers. In the new Star Trek, still a supposed utopia, San Francisco looks like Blade Runner. Is Steve not entertained?

Kanye’s vaunted creativity has come up against Los Angeles County’s well-known red tape: He’s reportedly been cited for skipping the permit process in building his “Star Wars"-style huts for the homeless.https://t.co/ileStaNctH

— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) August 9, 2019

https://twitter.com/CurbedLA/status/1159602429110845440

Housing is expensive because we’re trying to live as close as possible to our jobs and still have white neighbors. There are a finite number of places meeting this criteria.

Your Dorset example is, I suspect, for vacation homes but still illustrative: it’s not the house that’s expensive; it’s the pleasant, low-density surroundings with lots of white people. That’s why a one-room hovel on the beach that you literally tipped off the back of a truck costs $400,000.

We could make housing cheaper in Dorset by stacking up condos for 20 stories on every square inch. The riffraff would move in, and housing would indeed be cheaper. And everybody you’d want as neighbors would move off to the next low-density place to price away the riffraff.

In other words, it’s precisely about supply and demand.

The photo:

That’s a fucking ant colony…..

Shipping container still needs a lot to put it on and in coastal California counties that lot will cost more than a nice house in most of the rest of the country.

I see Elon Musk endorsed Yang so maybe they should put their heads together and create the self propelled Tesla shipping container that could be placed underneath existing homes in a tunnel drilled by the Boring Company.

I think you’re being uncharitable to Yang. Yang is as close to the steve-o-sphere as any candidate we’ve ever had…. I appreciate the honesty if nothing else.

I agree. As a registered Democrat I might vote for him in the primaries prior to voting for Trump in November.

He seems the least woke in the sense of wokeness as a glazey eyed, Stockholm-syndromed, living dead robot non-player character. Where his policies intersect with wokeness, you still feel that you could have a discussion with him and he’d listen. Although he’s pathway-to-citizenship and yay-Dreamer all the way, and is really mushy on southern border security, the mushiness sounds like there may be an opening to sanity, and all other Democrat candidates are as bad or worse. Yang’s platform mentions expense, ecological damage, and lack of political consensus regarding southern border proposals. If he’s serious about that, they can all be fixed.

And his argument that it’s impractical to forcibly deport the 12 million, you could at least point out to him that there are self-deportation options, like bans on non-citizen remittances, e-Verify, cash to get the fuck out payments, so on.

I’d really like to see Yang in dialog with Peter Thiel.

Zoning

Brief Home ownership is a part of the American dream. However, over the past few decades, those who already own homes have made it significantly harder for those who don’t to recognize that dream….

yang2020.com

I read this as “home ownership for a brief period of time [until mortgage default] is part of the American dream.” Whoa, that’s being honest about the current situation!, I thought, until I realized that there should be a colon or dash after “Brief.”

He has to get elected as a Democrat, remember.

This proves that white men cannot create and cannot drive an economy without unfair advantages

This is why diversity is necessary

V. good.

In his interview with Joe Rogan, Yang says the U.S. needs to have strong borders since weak borders aren’t compatible with his “Freedom Dividend” (i.e., universal basic income). Admittedly, he says it very quickly, and only after Rogan presses him on the issue.

Is your ” doesn’t have to be pedestrian” claim about this Brutalist Kibutzery maybe based on potential presence of elevators in Safdie’s HabibiHut’67?

If you ask bored identity, this one is to be filed under :”They Build It, Indeed”

Because this was too pedestrian:

To be fair I am in favor of both restricting immigration AND allowing homes to be made from shipping containers.

The amount of protectionism given to people’s homes and their values is embarrassing. Your home is a place to live. If you treat it as an investment and you lose money on it why should anyone else care?

“I was in a shipping container apartment in Las Vegas that cost only $30,000 and was downright appealing.”

The fine print on your downright appealing shipping container mortgage states (in Mandarin) that for half the year your home will double as an actual shipping container, and you will share your living room with food additives, cheap electronics, auto parts and eeeeeevery once in a great while (their words) a few dozen victims of human trafficking, as it is all shipped back and forth from Shanghai to the Port of Long Beach.

Space might be somewhat tight, but think of the view:

A few curtains, a little paint, unlimited Dramamine, and you have your self a regular Norman Rockwell painting, roundeye!

There’s a company in Youngstown that will use 2 containers to build a house. Start at $80,000, and are pretty nice inside.

Shipping containers make lovely little starter homes! You might as well get used to liking tiny houses in the barrio, because that’s the plan after the Trump presidency.

America will be like a botanical garden of diversity once unlimited open borders immigration becomes a reality. A couple million Somalis planted here, a couple million Venezuelans there, against a backdrop of generic Asians. Just imagine the strip mall diversity! Five hundred thousand strip malls with a Vietnamese nail salon, an Asian grocery store, an Indian combo restaurant/video store and a Middle Eastern gas station with a send cash overseas office.

And don’t forget The Grub Palace ™ where you can pick up your maggot burger!

And this is what separates the current crop of immigrants with the Irish and Italians who came over a century ago. Both countries have rich histories and traditions and are aesthetically pleasing.

Immigrants tend to recast the elements of their homeland in the new world. So we got Irish literature and pubs and Italian restaurants and music. Unfortunately, the new groups of immigrants will give us what Mr. Yang suggests here. “Quality of life” doesn’t seem to be a phrase that registers with such people.

“Yang is as close to the steve-o-sphere as any candidate we’ve ever had”

Yang unveils plan to tackle gun violence and white nationalism

“I denounce and disavow hatred, bigotry, racism, white nationalism, anti-Semitism and the alt-right in all its many forms. Full stop”

Next, use shipping containers to bring millions more to America.

One day, Californians can become the boat people.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/2163062/whats-next-hong-kong-houseboat-community-facing-eviction

First, “manufactured homes” seem like a more reasonable option than “shipping container homes”. The superficial advantage to shipping container homes is that they don’t have the “trailer trash” stigma of manufactured homes, but the price to features ratio is just much better with manufactured homes.

Secondly, blaming the problems of housing on immigration is just lazy and wrong. There are housing problems and trends that are happening all over the world that are clearly caused by modernization not simply higher levels of immigration.

I support immigration issues for other reasons: most specifically politically, I don’t think the existing people deserve to have their voting value diluted. I don’t think housing is a valid reason.

Thirdly, in material terms, many Americans have high living standards. There are problems with housing and the deaths of despair look terrible, but living standards should hopefully keep going up.

You can return to your shipping container home after a 12 hour day driving your new Hyundai Accent for Uber. Unfortunately, the forklift elevator is busted so you must use a rope ladder to climb up to the top of the container stack. Ordinarily, you might think living in a top story container was a good thing, with a view and fresh breezes, except the stack is at the bottom of an abandoned gravel pit.

We are always told that the number is FIXED, absolutely fixed at 11 million, but we are also constantly reminded of the 100s of thousands, ” processed” IE housed, fed, clothed, treated medically and transported to their area of choice after crossing into The United States illegally every several months.

Oddly there is no offsetting stream of thousands fleeing or being forcibly removed, still the math is fixed, we know that.

Steve doesn’t believe in supply curves, just demand curves.

Of course housing bubbles have elements beyond increased demand and can occur without any immigration at all. But immigration exacerbates them by lowering the price of construction labour in a way that feels like a jackpot to developers rather than an organic process. Flush with sudden easy money they get even more greedy and influential.

Zoning regulations aren’t a major factor and haven’t ever proven to be of any importance, plenty of other countries have more restrictive laws and similar population processes and don’t have any housing crisis.

Down the line high population growth through immigration raises the overall price ceiling (In both bubble times of unaffordable prices and post-bubble times of affordable prices) but most important, they needn’t lead to unaffordable prices so much as unavailability. Meaning more time spent living at home, more time delaying life and family formation. Meaning more people settling for places they’d rather not live but have no alternatives.

In addition to cutting immigration, another an easy law is to copy New Zealand who made it a law that non-citizens can’t buy and own residential property. Every country in the Western world should have this law. I’d even extend it to exclude naturalised citizens.

Ants. They want us to be ants.

When a group of Mexicans arrives in my street and completely replaces the shingles on the roof of a house in a few hours, they are paid pennies on the dollar compared the the profit taken by the US contractor.

Not really very familiar with the roofing industry, are you? I can guarantee you the profit margin is not spectacular, at least not in Florida.

Workers comp rates of 20%, among other interesting overhead factors.

This is the innovation I can always count on silicon valley to come up with! Its a home… but its mobile…. its a Mobility Home!

Immigrants were part of the crash. Steve already showed it was subprime lending to minorities, some of whom were illegals.

Are you a different kind of parody than tiny duck? Because we’ve already got the, ‘duck’.

Yep.

Rather like Britain’s odious New Labour government (Economist).

They promised us the Earth. All they gave us were thousands of plane loads of Pakistanis.

Can you just *imagine* how damned hot the interior of a shipping container would get under the Las Vegas sun?

Net profit by contractors is usually somewhere around (or less than) 5% of sales, often less, and almost always less than 10%. Except possibly during major construction booms, and then he has huge problems getting labor, etc. to deal with.

You might want to look up stuff about the “tiny house” movement here in the US. Costs can easily go into the high five figures.

All of which is really kind of silly, because it would be entirely possible to build a tiny house for less in a factory. We could even call it a “mobile home.”

On my phone right now so I can’t find the link, but there is a guy on YouTube building a shipping container out in the desert in California. It cost him $25000 in permits before he got started. In the desert. With a shipping container.

Early attempts to produce the flying car we were supposed to have by now:

http://vaviper.blogspot.com/2016/05/early-attempts-to-produce-flying-car-we.html

My first thought was that that thing was a photoshop mashup, but (yikes) it’s real. So to save everyone else’s time: it’s called Habitat 67.

Could you supply some links?

Looks more like Habitrail 67.

A ban on gasoline-powered garden tools (especially leafblowers) would cut the demand for hispanic immigrants and maybe improve our lives in other ways too.

This beach hut sold in England for around $400,000, but is not that much different from the Lowes shed shown above.

Unlike tge Lowe’s shed, the beach hut has a toilet, a kitchen and running water. Granted, much of that $400,000 is the land your beach hut sits on.

“would make Americans a lot less willing to share.”

You’re missing the point. It really does not matter at all what Americans are willing or unwilling to do. FUSA erosion will continue on schedule. What Americans want is not in the blueprint.

The only thing that matters is what the Special People want, and they want you living in a shipping container and eating maggot burgers, surrounded by an ocean of sullen foreign strangers on every side.

This man can bring your old countrymen a fresh baguette from France.

I see your flying cars, and I raise you flying shoes.

I like the shed idea.

Yurts also seem to be a better value proposition than the vaunted Tiny Houses, though optioning out a yurt can add up fast.

Here is an analysis of the problem with shipping container homes:

http://markasaurus.com/2015/09/01/whats-wrong-with-shipping-container-housing-everything/

Flying cars?

Hell I just wish we had the flying airplanes of my youth.

Air travel today is far less comfortable (the seats, the food) than it was when I was 18 and, not only that, it takes longer. The planes are no faster but it takes more time to get to the airport and you have to be there earlier to get through security.

We are already regressing.

My car navigates two dimensionally.

Hmmm…maggots

The New York Times:
Why Aren’t We Eating More Insects? …How (and Why) to Cook With Bugs, According to Three Chefs …Insects – Cooking – Entomophagy …A Change in the Menu – …Jiminy Cricket! Bugs Could Be Next Food Craze …Review: ‘Bugs’ Is a Culinary Adventure. Insects Never …Insect Dinners: Waiter, There’s Soup in My Bug …What Is Fried and Has Six Legs? Welcome to Insect Cuisine …

No: flying cars are the logical endpoint of personal transportation. For speed, safety, & navigability, three dimensions beat one. Way beat.

Uhhh no….most humans barely have the reflexes and visio-spatial reasoning abilities to pilot a wheeled vehicle.

Actually the main difficulty with ‘flying’ is the weight penalty. Birds, for example, are rather flimsy creatures. Light weight but not very strong. Thus any ‘accident’, say with a sliding glass door is invariably fatal. This has required nature to give them excellent collision avoidance skills save when they dine on fermented berries and become intoxicated. A thousand starlings can all take off from the same tree without benefit of ATC and not have mid air collisions.

Just in case you missed it, Uncle Derb & Uncle Sailer;

Both of you just made Global Securitate Top Tiny Hat Shapirescu’s Eine Kleine Namensliste.

You’re in a good company, along with two former Presidential candidates, and one current White House Resident* :

As per your silly list request, here are 20 alt-right-friendly or alt-right people/outlets. Have at it, @hughhewitt. pic.twitter.com/DniC7Ko85f

— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) August 31, 2016

Yasher Koaḥ!

Also, y’all just learned that The Most Overrated Orthodox Joogernaut in the History of Asymmetric Loyalism (yes, Uncle Derb, Tebbit Test & polygraphs don’t match well at all) is still haunted by Sobran’s Specter.

(* The bad news is that the latter one had already sent his emissaries to Benji & Benji Unlimited, inquiring how many more professional and personal lives has to be completely ruined so his honorable name can be expunged from Zer Liste.)

There are a huge # of shipping containers that are piled up at US ports because the amount of goods that get shipped FROM China to the US is so much greater than the amount of goods that get shipped back.

?

There’s a lot of battery operated power equipment now, and its much better than it used to be.

OT:

[theguardian.com]
‘I don’t smell!’ Meet the people who have stopped washing

Jackie Hong, a reporter in Yukon, north-west Canada, has eschewed soap in the shower for nine years.

But how does she smell?

She can’t. She has no nose.

I’m not so sure about safety. Could you elaborate? I think the airborne aspect is a significant negative for safety.

It may be solvable by tech, but given the typical spatial ability in society I find expecting everyone to be able to navigate effectively in three dimensions at high speed a terrifying concept.

I looked at his immigration positions.
Better than other Democrats. Sad to say, that is a low bar indeed.

Consider if the flying cars had Tesla-like self driving, except in 3 dimensions.

The complexity of that seems rather daunting right now, but with the advances in computing, such as Moore’s Law and AI etc, not as difficult a task in coming decades.

Consider, the Apollo went to the Moon and back with a computer system less advanced than a modern programmable calculator.

Yang is as close to the steve-o-sphere as any candidate we’ve ever had

But really though, he’s just another immigration-boosting shyster.

Most of those are in cities with high housing costs and homelessness.
Are you thinking what I’m thinking?

But the reason homes are not cheaper is not really to do with a relationship between supply and demand, but because of the complex regulatory system in the US, the high cost of land, the high costs of permits, and the high profit margins taken by builders.

But the high cost of land has everything to do with a relationship between supply (of land) and demand (for land).

Immigrants can’t live in midair, they must use up some of the supply of land. As Steve pointed out, Hispanic immigrants in particular don’t like high-density living arrangements. They prefer sprawl.

But not everyone can have mega ranches and forced harems, so you better be content with the appalling shipping container QUALITY home.

Roger Ebert, the film critic, is woke.

There’s an interesting documentary out about a successful commercial photographer, who in the 60s was able to buy a derelict seven-story former bank building in the Bowery for then-$100,000. A few years ago he had to sell it due to high maintenance costs. (Price: $55M.) A former assistant, now a filmmaker, decided to document the now aged photographer’s life in this huge building before he moved out.

True, the photographer was talented and self-made, and he was in the right place at the right time to buy up a disused building in a then-blighted part of New York. That’s not the point. Roger Ebert’s review lets us know that in the Current Year, having a lot of living space is privilege.

Yes, everyone should be using electric-powered outdoor equipment when feasible.

The plants that generate the electricity still pollute, but we eliminate the poisonous fumes right in the face of the Homeowners / workers and nearby people, poison that is spewed from these outdated filthy gas-powered devices.

All-powerful ruler of cadre of global elitist/industrialists: “The SPICE must flow errr no I mean the immigrants must flow into America never stopping never diminishing the slightest no matter the will of the President, Congress, or American people”.

OT
Yet nother shooter has posted his manifesto on 8chan. Second time this week. Even more noteworthy is that 8chan has been offline from the time of the El Paso manifesto was posted there.

[nytimes.com]
After Attack on Norway Mosque, Body Found at Home Tied to Assailant

Aug. 10, 2019

About two hours before the attack, a post appeared on 8chan, the message board that had hosted the anti-immigrant manifesto of the man accused of the El Paso shooting. The post raised questions of whether it could have been written by the suspect in the Norway attack.

“Well cobblers it’s my time,” the post began in English, ending with the Norwegian phrase “valhall venter” or “heaven awaits.”

…
Website used by El Paso suspect ‘8chan’ goes offline

8chan far-right forum offline as Cloudflare cuts support

I want to like the guy, but he is either incapable of basic reasoning or is lying when he says “it’s only automation that taking jobs from millions of Americans, not immigrants, who are being scapegoated.”

Actually, Andrew, it is both, and that should be obvious.
This is not an either/or proposition.

The guy rightly emphasizes that a frightening number of common jobs are being, and will be, eliminated by drastic increase in the use of machines, robots, and now artificial intelligence. He correctly identifies long-haul truck driving, taxi/Uber/Lyft driving, warehouse distribution jobs, factory manufacturing or assembly jobs, and retail as areas that are very likely to be hit hard.

Yet Yang still thinks it’s a good idea to import tens of millions more people for whom ACCORDING TO HIS OWN CORRECT ACCOUNT AND PREDICTION, there will be no jobs whatsoever. This is a recipe for widespread permanent poverty, and the violence, family dissolution and dysfunction, racial conflict, and increased government spending and taxation that comes with it.

Yang’s universal basic income could work, but only with immigration policies nearly opposite to his own. We would need to greatly reduce the number of people likely to be eligible for US Citizenship and therefore the UBI: an end to birthright Citizenship, an end to chain migration / “family reunification”, large scale deportations of illegal aliens, an end to amnesty, etc.

Housing is expensive because we’re trying to live as close as possible to our jobs and still have white neighbors. There are a finite number of places meeting this criteria.

Your Dorset example is, I suspect, for vacation homes but still illustrative: it’s not the house that’s expensive; it’s the pleasant, low-density surroundings with lots of white people. That’s why a one-room hovel on the beach that you literally tipped off the back of a truck costs $400,000.

We could make housing cheaper in Dorset by stacking up condos for 20 stories on every square inch. The riffraff would move in, and housing would indeed be cheaper. And everybody you’d want as neighbors would move off to the next low-density place to price away the riffraff.

In other words, it’s precisely about supply and demand.

The average size of a newly constructed single-family detached home is now 2,600 square feet in the USA. The average size of a new house in the USA has doubled since 1960. As of May 8, 2018.

OTOH, if you google “size of average American…” and let google autocomplete, it defaults to “size of average American woman”.

So, no shipping container houses unless they come with a rather large shoehorn…

Yes, we ought to both provide tiny houses to the homeless AND require that they either live there, make other verified housing arrangement, or go to jail.

Provide adequate toilet and shower facilities, as well, in part to protect the rest of us from diseases and their carriers, rodents and ticks.

They WILL shower daily, and they will NOT urinate or defecate in the street, or they go to jail or a mental institution as is appropriate in each case.

They WILL get the Hell off our sidewalks, out of our alleys, out of our parks, away rom our homes and schools and businesses, or again, they go to jail or a mental institution.

In places like Los Angeles, where we live, the combination of free tiny houses and associated toughlove measures would be a godsend. We could make our streets safe, civilized, clean, and no longer a setting for blocked sidewalks, intimidation, aggressive panhandling, drug needles and vials, piles of feces, the stench of urine, indecent exposure (public masturbation and other charming things that some of these dirtbags do in view of us and our children).

When it comes to public decorum and public health, it is past time to bring a little Singapore to LA and our other filthy, unhygienic, offensive Third Worldy cities. Perhaps MORE than a little. The charitable and compassionate side of the reform can include tiny houses, container or otherwise. It would cost a lot and yet be well worth it for us and them.

A prerequisite for self-driving cars is there are traffic laws and drivers halfway attempt to obey them. If you have spent any time recently on a California freeway, you realize this is dubious. And if you have spent anytime in Mexico City, you realize this is laughable.

Tech companies sell a utopian vision of everyone having a self-driving car. But they are stumped about handling the intermediate term of 10% self-driving cars / 60% law-abiding humans / 30% bumper car Latinos.

Think of how much more efficient it will be to allow our citizens to street shit anywhere they want rather than having only a few designated shitting areas per city block? Plus we can save a ton of copper and other valuable items.

I’ve said before that Americans don’t seem to be particularly aware of much better their homes are – size, spacing, live-ability – than much of the rest of the world. Including in poorer areas.

Partly this is land area but it is also the general expectation and the communal ability to cultivate decent public space.

What Yang is signaling is that this era is coming to an end.

Shipping containers are only acceptable if you are desperate. Perhaps better than a tent. No-one will live in one if there is a viable alternative.

Off-topic:

Another entry in the annals of self-hatred….

Meanwhile my ancestor tried to lynch his sister’s fiancée, the first black man to marry a white woman in New Hampshire history. Goy genealogy is just a list of crimes

https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1159841631949873153

I agree that Steve is being uncharitable on this one. I’m as close to a one issue voter (immigration) as one can get, yet I’ve come around to Yang. We’ve lost the demographic fight, full stop. Contra Steven and Derb, at this point infinite 3rd world immigration may as well be the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The historic American nation is done. Yang’s policies and innovations seem the most likely to stop the bleeding. It’s the best we can hope for, unfortunately.

You’re saying immigrants wouldn’t come here for the 1000/month?

He works in media in New York, he’s just ingratiating himself to his conquerors.

Oh man, yes. I used to work a lot of night shifts, and the day after would be almost asleep when, bzzzzzzttttttt! God it was infuriating. People with sleeping babies and whatnot and tech people who worked from home hated it too.

The crazy thing was our neighborhood had tiny tiny lots. Nobody had more than 1000 square feet of grass on their property. Why in gods name do you need to hire a garden service? It is literally like 300 seconds with a rake once every three days and you are done. These same neighbors also didn’t know how to cook and ate out pretty much every meal, which was kinda pathetic but at least didn’t screw up my attempts to rest.

“These shipping container homes are downright appealing!”

“Would you live in one?”

“#%^*# No!”

Hard to believe that so many in our sector were in love with this guy for awhile.

Yeah. Or we could direct the federal departments of defense and homeland security to defend and secure the place from invaders, and stop inviting and welcoming, like grinning imbeciles, the remaining invaders, thus halting overpopulation.

The gasoline leaf blowers should be banned on noise pollution grounds alone. Either use an electric one or try a rake.

this guy is a standard issue leftist who read a book about robots and automation. that’s it. i saw thru him instantly.

also, he’s not that smart. smarter than the average democrat running for office, but that’s it. this guy doesn’t really know what he’s talking about when it comes to tech, and isn’t even proven in the private sector.

he tricked some dissident rightists, which was tremendously embarrassing, as a testament to their lack of serious, real world intelligence. the kind of intelligence we’ll need to not get eliminated by our enemies, who are legion.

It was built for the world’s fair in Montreal in 1967. Units seem to be selling for high prices, but that may be due the the views: the buildings are right on the St. Laurence River and it’s one place in Montreal where you can’t see Habitat ’67.

There are infinitely more opportunities in the new reality. This is one of many –

This baguette is soggy, and salty, too.

I was in a shipping container apartment in Las Vegas that cost only $30,000 and was downright appealing. There are things we can do to make housing more affordable for many Americans.

OK Andrew, move your family of four into one as a test and we’ll see how it goes.

His ancestors were dirtbags and he tries to blame it on their whiteness?

Sounds like Snow Crash. When do we get burbclaves and Mafia Pizza Delivery?

I wouldn’t say I’m in love with the guy, but he’s still the best candidate by far. NIMBYism is a real problem and he’s the only one addressing it. The bad policies you get with him you’ll get with any other candidate including Blompf. Do you want to get some of what you want, or none of what you want?

Use the shipping Containers to build the border wall like in the TV show Containment where Ebola stricken Atlanta was surrounded by a Wall of double stacked shipping Containers filled with sand and topped with Barbed Wire.

Another Episcopalian enriching American life,

The demographic cake has a knife baked into it, and it will be used to send them all back.

Urban people will do with flying tables. The others will have flying cars . And city access will be restricted against cars even more than today.

This is bullshit. Prima facie bullshit. Such bullshit I shan’t dignify it with a formal refutation. Go read more about mathematics and economics.

While you are at it, read about carpentry, plumbing, and other aspects of construction.

We need a catchy name for these flying cars.

How does “helicoptor” sound?

Go one step further: Send the people to China in the containers.

Moore’s law [sic] turned out to be a theory. In fact, apropos of a discussion regarding overpopulation, it was always a theory – and a patently foolish one at that – to those of us who realise any given object, whether an integrated circuit or a planet, has a finite mass.

(Jonathan Mason, I expect, reckons the reason engineers stopped being able to put many more transistors into an integrated circuit is stifling regulations by OSHA and the local building code.)

Neal Stephenson had characters living in shipping containers in Los Angeles in his novel Snow Crash.

That was published in 1992, which gives you an idea of how ahead of the curve he was.

They Promised You Flying Cars and Gave You Shipping Container Homes Exorbitant Public Employee Pay and Luxury Public Pensions and Retirement Benefits

Illinois Is the Canary In The Pension Coal Mine

Illinois is running out of time to fix its public sector pension problem. A new report from Moody’s Investors Service identified the Prairie State as one of the two most likely to suffer during an economic downturn. Illinois towns and cities are already paring back government services to pay for generous benefits packages for retirees, and Chicago’s pension debt alone is larger than that of 41 states.

A man ahead of his time, Burt Reynolds, the lucky bastard, got to ride on a sexy, flying nun….

I could see that working in a more temperate climate, but in Montreal? The high surface-area to volume ratio must make it expensive to heat.

And you thought flying cars was a good idea.

Big Mag at Maggotdonalds.

And while luxuriating in your Conex box, you can dine on this:

https://soylent.com/

When we are asked what makes Soylent a superior product, we always give the same answer……….

……………..it’s the people.

“Goy genealogy is just a list of crimes”

Not to mention how the Planned Inbreeding in the echo chamber always results with multi-generational mental and physical ‘tardation…among goy, of course.

“I’m as skeptical about “both sides” journalism as anybody and I don’t think there are two sides about questions about whether people should be treated with dignity and with fairness and respect.”

Dylan Matthews

http://nosmag.org/disability-is-not-an-asterisk-eric-garcia-interviews-dylan-matthews/

San Diego now has 3200 cameras built into street and traffic lights.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2019-08-04/san-diego-police-ramp-up-use-of-streetlamp-cameras-to-crack-cases-privacy-groups-raise-concerns

Another 600 are being added over the next year.

Partly to solve crime, partly to improve traffic. Both have been happening.

I have noticed that by now the majority of traffic lights are “smart” and at night change to green the moment a car goes to an empty intersection. They also are slowly being timed better during the day.

Of course the ACLU, advocate of illegal mass migration and homeless “right” to sleep in camper vans, sidewalk tents, and stink up/watch porn in public libraries is trying to stop it.

Many in our sphere look at the political landscape and see no way out of the Kosher Sandwich, at least in the short term. Their perspective is that if Republicans give you everything the Democrats do while boiling the frog instead of microwaving the frog, then why not collect $1000 a month for your troubles? The same perspective could be applied to some thing like student loan forgiveness. Might as well collect some cash and accelerate the demise of the GOP at the same time.

The recent ordeal with the GOP promotion of red flag laws, the failure on the wall and the forthcoming push for legal Immigration expansion, the Ziocon posturing in the Middle East, the enforcement of global homosexuality and feminism, and the tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy support this position.

So you’re saying that shipping containers that are imported from China can only go back to China? They can’t be used to ship goods anywhere else? Wow, that sounds like a pretty inefficient global logistics model you’ve got there.

I mean, I was in intermodal trucking operations from 2003 to 2014, but perhaps you can enlighten me on the subject. Especially when in 2008, during the big economic downturn, how there was a significant shortage of 40′ containers on the US side because exports were exceeding imports. In fact it was so bad that the liners were paying to have containers shipped back empty, just to meet their customers’ needs. This isn’t optimal of course, but it has happened in both directions. Sometimes, like before a grain harvest, liners will start hording their containers in anticipation of a massive demand for them by the farmers. I am sure containers are horded on the Asian side in the fall months in anticipation of a massive need to ship crappy Christmas gifts out to the US big boxes.

Empty containers pile up at ports or rail terminals or storage depots, on both sides of the world, for any number of global economic reasons, and it doesn’t always seem to make sense on the surface.

There is leafblower sound, maddening and infuriating, almost 50% of the time where I live. The tweeting birds cannot compete. In communities that have banned the leafblower, the resident approval of the ban is 100%; and yet this goes on. Interestingly, leafblowing is often the experience steppingstone, the apprenticeship, to being a carpenter, plumber, or electrician.

The smart light that detects a waiting car at an empty intersection I remember from at least 15 years ago.

What has changed is that it appears 90% of controlled intersections now have it around here.

I wonder how much gasoline this saves and pollution it reduces? If we have 2 million drivers, and it saves 90 seconds per week on average, that is 2.6 million car-idle-hours per year. Taking out the electric cars and strong hybrids, 2.4 million. There is a wide range of answers on how much gas is used idling, but taking a midrange of them, that is 500,000 gallons of gas per year not burned.

This might be an overestimate, some people who commute at night daily might save 6 minutes a week, others never drive at night or early morning so save nothing.

I think shipping container home ideas have been around almost as long as shipping containers, at least at the academic/avant garde architecture level.

I can’t especially see how the idea is so terrible… how many tech employees are sleeping in converted box trucks and stealth van campers in San Jose?

But they’d not be inexpensive long if you’re going to put them in such markets… you’d just be jamming more people dependent on water transfer from the Hetch Hetchy Water reserve.

Frankly, I’d be all for tearing down Streisand’s home on the beach for these…

I don’t work nights but also hate leaf blowers. They don’t seem to even work better or faster than a rake.

I think we’ll see some areas ban gas powered lawn tools. Electric mowers, leaf blowers, and weed whackers work perfectly well at 1/5 the noise and no smell. An electric mower isn’t practical for a huge lawn yet, but some areas don’t have large lawns at all.

This was at Expo 67. They should instead have done it across town at Jarry Park. An all-luxury-box stadium!

The Expos would still be there, and thriving!!

My goy genealogy was awfully boring, I got everyone back to the GG grandparent level and nearly all another two gens back to the GGGG level, with the oldest reaching the 1600s in England and Germany, though no info other than name, birth/baptism, marriage, and death dates.

Farmers, miners “laborers” etc is what they put down in the older US censuses.

Some of them had unrelated borderers living in their houses, which I guess is interesting.

The Jews don’t have records nearly as far back, but the 19th century ones there is often much more detail about.

I found a intersection of the two that was interesting, a Russian Jew immigrated to England in the 1700s and married a local Christian lady, and their descendants fully assimilated.

No details on anyone’s war record, the only way to know they served is they are on military pension lists.

https://twitter.com/CptBlackPill/status/1160573474387169280

Really?
Wall Street contributions:
Hillary Clinton $64.3M
Trump less than $2M
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/oct/06/donald-trump/how-much-money-have-wall-street-and-hedge-funds-gi/
It is hilarious however how Politifact spins like a Dervish trying to slant the information .
“Oh yeah, well Trump claimed it was $100M and it was only $64M, which proves Clinton wasn’t a tool of Wall Street, so there!”

“but is not that much different from the Lowes shed shown above” lolgf!

Sometimes the tech problems are impossible though. Even if you could make one, the power consumption would make it cost prohibitive.

And then there’s the noise issue, how are you going to have a vertical liftoff that isn’t too noisy for urban areas? For rural areas, there isn’t enough avoided traffic to make it worthwhile versus a car.

I guess we could eventually have small electric helicopters that go from rooftop to rooftop in Manhattan. But that’s not the revolutionary “flying car” people think about. Even then, I am doubtful this will happen due to the repeated failures of helicopter from Manhattan to JFK airport companies. It’s just a tiny niche.

OT-

Radical Feminist Raves: “We Need To Kill All Men”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-10/radical-feminist-raves-we-need-kill-all-men

Asians feel cosy in shipping containers.

What is the significance or relevance of this?

I know that feeling – incessant leaf blowers drove me nuts when I had to work night shifts. Then when the babies came along I had to soundproof (as best as possible) their room ASAP which definitely helped them sleep, but cost us a small fortune especially after running off the 1st window contractor. Soundproofing a room (again, as best as possible) was sort of like putting gold faucets in a middle class home – you’ll never recover the money. However, we had to do it because the alternatives at the time were far more expensive.

And the looks I would get standing in line to purchase a cold beer at 7AM on the way home while filling up the truck were priceless.

[a large image of Alex Jones looking sad and itoldyousoish but saying nothing — this image doesn’t exist because Alex can’t stay quiet long enough but you know what is meant]

Gary Cohn, Larry Kudlow, Steve Mnuchin.

Wall Street is just fine with Trump. He’s been very amenable to them. That they preferred Clinton is just water under the bridge.

“You know, some of these cardboard box homes look quite comfy! I don’t why these proles are whining about housing costs all the time.”

Try telling someone before the Immivasion, ‘hey, I can get you into a high-end shipping container for only 30 grand!’

Tech problems nothing*, it comes down to my online conversations with Mexicans about the Second Amendment: one group doesn’t understand it at all at a basic level, one group understands it, wants it, and is stuck waiting for it to be possible there, and the major group doesn’t want it because they view their fellow countrymen (who are mostly in a much lower class than the Mexicans in this major group) as incapable of handling it.
That’s a primally arrogant mindset in thst case (and missing the concept of the militia), it always reminds me of the well scene in Lawrence of Arabia: an alien society. But in the case of universal personal small aircraft, worthiness is a controlling question. A lot of people who have cars now should not, so the number of people who should be licensed for something that could easily destroy a house should be smaller.
That said, were it to be started, I would expect the same thing that happened with cars (and for that matter guns): the number of people who can safely handle them is, especially after a learning period, much bigger than anyone would have bet. If we had to start car ownership all over again, magically jumping to the cars, safety features, and rules of the 50s, this generation would say no way, let’s do trains and horses.

*For what it’s worth I also think the Beanstalk is doable, not in the sense that it would be easy (it would be the space race and the transatlantic cable of our time), but the problems, enormous as they are, are solvable. The Beanstalk and the jet car will be foregone because of man’s inhumanity to man, not because of insurmountable challenges. But maybe I’m innumerate and the problems really are insurmountable.

He’s Chinese. He’s used to Chinese housing customs and culture. Problem is, he wants to bring those customs to the USA.

I’d like to agree with you about Yang.

But I am concerned. He’s something else he said at the tweet cited above:

“Housing costs and rent are going up for more and more Americans while income stagnates. Relaxing zoning laws and NIMBYism would help in many areas as would micro-apartments and innovative approaches to communal housing.”

He’s facing the problem head-on — and good for him — but he’s leaving out one of the major solutions: less immigration. He could even mention rapidly increasing population growth without specifying the reason and he’d be honest.

If our population growth rate doesn’t decrease, the problems with housing will be that much worse in future generations. Don’t you think he should have been honest here? Doesn’t he care that he’s planning to squash most people in the future into tiny living spaces when it’s not necessary?

They moved several of those modular homes from Expo 67 to Mountainside Resort at Stowe, Vermont. They are now timeshare ski resort condos.

Doesn’t this make Andrew Yang a GENOCIDAL MANIAC in intent towards Native Born White American Tech Workers?

As per our “elite”, this is a feature, not a bug.

A lot of Hispanics in agricultural areas already live in prefab garden sheds.

Ironically President Yang would do more to forestall this dismal future than anyone else, since his policies would arrest economic growth and therefore make America much less appealing to foreigners. A prolonged recession or even depression would surely make Americans a lot less willing to share the dwindling pie with newcomers, also.

A little bump in the road recession like 2008, or even a more prolonged one like the 1930s is not going to do it. To save America, we need a PERMANENT recession, a grinding, leveling generations long state of poverty. One so severe that nobody – low, middle, high – will take any glimpse of hope for granted again. Are we up to it?

I haven’t heard anybody mention the only cure to our future massive housing problems:

More government-built housing, on an unprecedented and massive scale; also an unprecedented increase in the Section 8 voucher system.

That’s it.

The problem will be far bigger than private enterprise will be able to solve. We will have to use the government to house people who cannot afford market rate housing on their own. According to the Census Bureau “at least 11 million rental households spend more than 50 percent of their income on housing costs like rent and utilities” now, so just imagine the scale of the problem in another generation or two when our population is that much greater.

I have no idea where we will get all the money needed for all these housing subsidies. I can tell you that we just had a senior citizens housing project open locally and when I divided the number of units into the total price, the cost was about $230,000 per unit. And that was for a mixture of one and two bedroom apartments.

If people really knew what was coming because of continued high immigration, they’d stop it in a heartbeat. But they don’t.

There’s some kind of tax deduction you can get if you buy a shipping container that just sits in a lot. Deduct what you would have earned from renting it for shipping.

This is truly horrifying although Capt. Massage is hardly involved: Epstein and the Eugenicists –

Completely OT:

Speaking as a Democrat, I think the main thing the Democratic Party needs to do to have a chance in 2020 is to find a way to get Kamala Harris to shut the frack up.

Sorry for the digression. Back to your regularly scheduled program.

And in some states it only gets below 50F at night about 20 nights a year. So it’s possible to sleep outside all year long.

The difference is that Yang merely wants to manage the decline long enough so that China can establish a Special Economic Zone in the Bay Area. Beyond that, he has no vision other than how to live with lower expectations and no social cohesion.

He’s putting lipstick on a maggot burger.

I know where the money for housing subsidizes comes from. Your income tax. Your property tax goes to endless affirmative action city and county’s employees studying task forcing counseling analysing coordinating facilitating and out reaching the homeless problem.

My ancestors didn’t cross the Atlantic in wooden sailboats, kill the Indians, defeat the British, and tame the west so that I could one day live in a $2K shed from Home Depot.

We inherited this country. We need to hang on to it for our posterity, not some random Central American’s.

Right now our system incentivizes our best and brightest to develop apps that either try to take advantage of unicorn VC and cash out before the money vanishes (“AN APP THAT AUTOMATICALLY DELIVERS CAT FOOD”) or an app that utilizes addictive psychological triggers directed at 5 year olds to spend hundreds trying to get a “rare” widget for a game.

Everything is fake and gay in our society and some of you are seriously discussing when we are getting flying cars.

But the reason homes are not cheaper is not really to do with a relationship between supply and demand, but because of the complex regulatory system in the US, the high cost of land, the high costs of permits, and the high profit margins taken by builders.

High housing prices have nothing to with supply and demand, it’s because of the high cost of land…

Trust me on this one, I’ve done the numbers.

… flying cars are the logical endpoint of personal transportation.

I’ll see your flying cars and raise you teleportation.

Maybe attributing too much to Yang, but he’s probably smart enough to see that while the coalition of the fringes is ratcheting up the anti-white hate, its also boiling the frog and white awakening is increasing exponentially because of it.

I think shipping container home ideas have been around almost as long as shipping containers, at least at the academic/avant garde architecture level.

I think it’s a commonly assigned project for architecture students.

If they continue virtually unlimited immigration to this country, any increase in housing stock is like pouring water into sand.

Note that in the Jetsons clip posted above, George is operating his vehicle (is it a “vehicle”?) with a joystick.

Why? In the 1960s, they could predict flying cars, which have not yet arrived, but not self-driving vehicles, which are pretty much established now, at least in a niche?

Is it like the stick shift, which hangs on because a minority like the feeling of control?

Could you supply some links?

You’d trust the citations of a witch doctor?

Yep… I realized long ago that the “tiny house” movement was just an elaborate PR campaign to make SWPLs feel cool in trailer homes.

I looked at his immigration positions.
Better than other Democrats. Sad to say, that is a low bar indeed.

That’s a bar they are allowed to step over. We, however, are forced to play limbo.

Don’t blame me, I voted for Yodos.

Too young, and not natural-born.

Envy is a powerful emotion.

Would-be immigrants not only envy Americans but their own kind who made it to America while they themselves are stuck in ‘shitholes’.

If you let some in, all the others feel envy about the some who made it to America, especially in this age of easy communication.

Also, maggot burgers!

Will the Hope and Anchor be serving maggots and peas?

But the reason homes are not cheaper is not really to do with a relationship between supply and demand, but …

Stop embarassing yourself with your “but”.

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Seriously, immigration driving up housing prices is even more ironclad than more disputable–but still ironclad–effects on jobs, wages, income inequality. (The only possible counter argument on housing is immigrant construction labor is so much cheaper that … which of course blows all the immigration-not-cutting-wages arguments out of the water. And simply isn’t true. Labor is not the big cost of housing where housing has gotten expensive.)

The reason immigration means higher housing prices should be blindingly obvious. Math isn’t that hard.

No: flying cars are the logical endpoint of personal transportation. For speed, safety, & navigability, three dimensions beat one. Way beat.

I thought you were a math enthusiast…current cars operate in two dimensions….that’s what the steering wheel is for.

Safety? I think not. Adding another dimension to driving would be a disaster.

Mexicans and leaf blowers are inseparable.

There are a huge # of shipping containers that are piled up at US ports because the amount of goods that get shipped FROM China to the US is so much greater than the amount of goods that get shipped back.

Place them at the Mexican border to hold illegal immigrants.

The complexity of that seems rather daunting right now, but with the advances in computing, such as Moore’s Law and AI etc, not as difficult a task in coming decades.

Moore’s Law is dead.

It’s not a joystick in the arcade sense, it’s a stick like a jet pilot would have in the 60s, because they’re assuming it’s like a plane.

Used shipping containers have been fumigated with deadly chemicals and can’t be redeployed as housing.

Exactly right. Flying cars would have to be centrally controlled to work anywhere near a population center.

I think we’ll see some areas ban gas powered lawn tools.

Not a chance. If they haven’t managed to throttle leaf blowers in my overeducated whiteopian coastal California town, it just ain’t gonna happen.

If people really knew what was coming because of continued high immigration,

Please elaborate.

Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-… wrote:

Yang is as close to the steve-o-sphere as any candidate we’ve ever had. He explicitly states, over and over in tweets and a surprisingly lively book, that America is end-stage and explicitly that multiculturalism has destroyed trust and that he views the job of the next president as explicitly managing decline.

So instead of offering a cure, he is going to offer us hospice care so we can die peacefully in our sleep?

You haven’t heard the stories about how “hospice care” is a euphemism for over-dosing the patient on opiates to get rid of him?

Andrew Yang: the candidate who will euthanize America!

The reason immigration means higher housing prices should be blindingly obvious. Math isn’t that hard.

I’m no fan of immigration, but its effect on real estate isn’t all that straightforward.

Thanks to Mexican construction workers driving down wages, it’s cheaper to build a house than it would otherwise be.

Americans fleeing coastal California for Arizona, Nevada and Utah: whatever other goals such people are pursuing (such as raising their children in a more recognizably American environment), they are also reducing their cost of housing.

Crime-prone immigrants drive down real estate prices same as blacks (if by not quite as dramatic a percent).

The “people” to which you refer have no power in an elective dictatorship.

The “people” can stop nothing.

Paleo Liberal wrote:

Speaking as a Democrat, I think the main thing the Democratic Party needs to do to have a chance in 2020 is to find a way to get Kamala Harris to shut the frack up.

Looking at the polls, it seems that Tulsi may actually have popped the Kamala balloon. Something we can thank Tulsi for, even if she cannot get the nomination.

Of course, that leaves us with Biden, Sanders, and Warren, all of whom make Al Gore look good.

I hate to admit it, but I have to agree with Yang. Change the zoning laws, building codes, occupancy laws, and you solve the high cost of housing and the homeless problems overnight.

Shipping containers are not livable spaces. That’s disgusting. That would be in violation of all types of building codes and zoning codes, let alone basic human dignity. This guy is pretty stupid.

Thanks to Mexican construction workers driving down wages, it’s cheaper to build a house than it would otherwise be.

Here it is, the most perfectly absent-minded cake-offering water-on-a-grease-fire comment.

You haven’t heard the stories about how “hospice care” is a euphemism for over-dosing the patient on opiates to get rid of him?

Hospice care is a double-scam. Once the insurer/gov’t care provider realizes a terminal patient is costing too much money to keep alive, they use access to pain killers to bribe them into “hospice/palliative” care. At that point, they stop medical treatment and just give them so many drugs they check out soon thereafter.

Sometimes it may be “compassionate” for the patient. Other times it’s mostly “compassionate” for the insurer’s bottom line.

Much how like Christie merc’d Rubio during the debates.

Americans fleeing coastal California for Arizona, Nevada and Utah: whatever other goals such people are pursuing (such as raising their children in a more recognizably American environment), they are also reducing their cost of housing.

They may be reducing demand in coastal California, but they are increasing housing costs in Arizona, Nevada and Utah. You are literally arguing that the sixty million plus additional Americans do not affect the price of housing. Your position is inane on its face.

Cheap labor is hardly cheap. It leads to increased welfare spending. Localities must tax real estate in order to pay for welfare, schooling and free healthcare for all of that cheap labor.

Our entire healthcare system is a sham worthy of Rube Goldberg. The incentives are completely twisted so that the focus is not healthcare, but jumping through the appropriate hoops in order to satisfy the requirements of insurance companies. The entire system should be reconsidered from the top to bottom.

Flying an airplane with a stick is so much more intuitive than flying one with a yoke that Airbus installs sticks in their airliners now. Plus, it makes you feel like Chuck Yeager.

High housing prices have nothing to with supply and demand, it’s because of the high cost of land…

All the talk about “housing” does tend to obscure the fact that you are really talking about two totally distinct components: the underlying land; and the structure that sits on top of it.

In places like LA and SF, 90% of the value of a “house” is the land.

You are literally arguing that the sixty million plus additional Americans do not affect the price of housing. Your position is inane on its face.

They may drive up demand, but they also reduce construction and maintenance costs, through their contribution to the labor pool. Which tendency prevails?

I believe the main character of Snow Crash lived in a shipping container before anybody else thought it was cool.

Politicians are such a joke I can’t bring myself to care if Yang wins or not.

Being in construction, I can tell you modular design has eliminated much of the manual aspect of constructing housing and commercial buildings.

Slooooow Sunday in Sailerlandia;

The Third Rice vs. White Wheet, Fake but Afromative Moonbat Supercentenarians, Forcefully Beloved Queen B Morrison & Bukz Ophranage, Moar & Meh Ferguson, Unbearable Improbability of Flying Tuckers,…oh, wait…

….Will Uncle Sailer consider in the nearest future a post about the Fox News latest ‘Tucker Gone Fishing’ skulduggery ?

Maybe attributing too much to Yang, but he’s probably smart enough to see that while the coalition of the fringes is ratcheting up the anti-white hate, its also boiling the frog and white awakening is increasing exponentially because of it.

Yang may be as anti-White as the rest of them, just differing in his assessment of what the conquerors can get away with and how soon.

It’s kind of like the differences of opinion between “liberal Zionists” and “rightwing” Zionists.

Moore’s Law is dead.

It is?

Despite this, unlike most politicians, Yang strikes me as a moral and intelligent person. While Yang has some interesting ideas, he lacks vision and the conviction to fight the status quo. He too often buys into the Left’s moral framing. I think when faced with resistance he would fold as opposed to fight back. Yang might make for a brilliant technocrat, but not a visionary leader. America needs a visionary leader, not a technocrat to manage The Decline.

Still, I prefer Yang to 99% of politicians, but that is not saying very much. Rarely do you find a politician who says anything remotely interesting, but Yang does this weekly.

Used shipping containers have been fumigated with deadly chemicals and can’t be redeployed as housing.

But you can place goods inside of them that end up in homes???

It was a fashion for a long while among jet set billionaire hipsters like David Michael Rothschild (who all have multiple mansions anyway), but their “shipping containers” were expertly designed and magnificently appointed; there is also the “tumbleweed house” subculture (cuck sheds). One office space (in Denmark?) stacked containers in a big warehouse to make a less crazy version of the image in the first comment, and the various containers were supposed to be offices or meeting rooms, with walkways and stairs added.
Very little of this makes any sense though. The insulation you can expect from a container is what you can expect from a tent. All of the utilities have to be brought in, probably frequently breaking the skin, so really we’re talking about something that makes a double wide look luxurious. A container’s survival in a tornado would be worse than a trailer’s. You would really have to build so much in and around it that you would be better off actually building a small house.

There are a huge # of shipping containers that are piled up at US ports because the amount of goods that get shipped FROM China to the US is so much greater than the amount of goods that get shipped back.

I don’t think there is actually any great pile up. They ship ’em back on the same ships to cover the demand in China.

But if there ever is …
5280/40 = 132
132 * 3 = 396
396 * 1933 = 765, 468 containers to build a wall on the Mexican border 3 containers high.

At say $3000 a pop for your used container–less if there’s a real slump in trade–containers for your wall cost a mere $2.3 billion. Of course you want you razor wire chain link fence on the border, a road, your container wall must be graded and placed, then another road and another chain link, razor wire topped fence. So you’ve got some construction costs.

It’s amusing how the people who advocate for other people living in small cramped spaces; Yang, Jack D, etc, never actually do so themselves.

Kind of like politicians who are negro apologists but usually live as far as possible from them.

He’ll increase immigration, Trump probably won’t.

I think it has more to do with his having to run as a Democrat than any innate hatred of white people (which I don’t think Yang has), but there it is.

Rightwing Zionists are increasingly willing to accept immigration restriction.

Demand. Sixty million plus additional Americans affects pricing more than slightly lower wages. Lower wages for Americans is not a good thing. Especially in the case of a completely domestic industry like home building!!!!

Lower wages that lead to higher taxes to pay for the welfare state to artificially inflate the profits of the builders. As an American patriot, I do not want lower wages for my fellow Americans.

Your argument is basically, immigration increases the rate of poverty so it is better because I save money. This is asinine thinking. We live in a community and we want everyone to have a decent standard of living even if you have to cut your own grass or strawberries cost a few cents more.

Why? At least he was HBD-aware…

See my reply to him. He speaks about things he knows nothing about.

Steel doesn’t wash clean either. (sarc)

also, he’s not that smart. smarter than the average democrat running for office, but that’s it.

Low bar.

he tricked some dissident rightists, which was tremendously embarrassing, as a testament to their lack of serious, real world intelligence. the kind of intelligence we’ll need to not get eliminated by our enemies, who are legion.

Agree.

Moore’s Law was never a “Law”, but more of a heuristic. Technology has largely been stagnant for 30 years.

The real gains have been in the ability of network technology and logistics to pave the way for monopolization of the economy. It remains to be seen if this is actually an improvement. I doubt anyone 100 years from now will marvel at Instagram. One form of media distraction has simply replaced another form of media distraction.

Technology continues to become more efficient, but true technological breakthroughs are apparently behind us. A modern car is far superior to a car from 40 years ago, but it is still just a car. There are ever increasing marginal improvements, but not paradigm shifts.

Advanced AI may make the difference. If advanced AI leads to a sustainable cold fusion, then all bets are off the table.

I do not see Moore’s late as dead yet.

There is a bit of controversy, but nothing to show it is dead. Perhaps slowing down a little.

Realize that Moore’s Law must end sometime, just from the laws of physics. There is a maximum possible computer speed and capacity determined by the size of atoms and the speed of light.

For decades there has been the idea that, at some point, quantum computers can take up the slack from the inability to make transistors any smaller, etc. The idea is that quantum computers operate not in a binary state, but in an unlimited number of possible quantum states. Further examination shows us that the unlimited number if quantum states has a limit in practice. The higher quantum states require too much energy for too little return. Still, the possibility of having access to several quantum states per atom is a massive jump ahead of two states per bit.

The eventual limits on quantum computers involve the size of the atom, the speed of light, and the number of quantum states per atom which can be accessed.

In other words, we’ve got a long way to go.

Of course there are drawbacks. Combine the mind boggling abilities of a quantum computer with advances in AI and robotics and at some point you don’t just get self-replicating machines, but machines smart enough to design and build a superior model. This creates the possibility that humans will create an artificial species which will render us obsolete.

The folks who have the idea of the “singularity” believe that at some point humans will be able to meld with super-intelligent machines, and thus live forever in a robotic form. That supposes (a) such a thing is possible, (b) the humans’ consciousness is not destroyed in the transition and instead replaced by duplicates of the brain patterns and (c) that the machines would permit it.

His ancestors were dirtbags and he tries to blame it on their whiteness?

Of course! It cannot be that he is an imbecile, because that would be unacceptable to him. The problem for him is that he is an imbecile.

RadioLab has an insufferably spastic style but they recently did an interesting show (if you ignore the interruptions and sound effects) about those nightmare runaway Toyotas which were all blamed on the drivers: we are now making transistors so small that they are queered by cosmic particles. And putting them into everything. There is no shielding against these particles, but then again, if we go backwards and make the hardware components larger, we never have to worry about them again (oh and while we’re at it, you cannot hack into a car or an oven if you do not computerize everything and give it all wifi).

The media has really weaponized autistic spergs like Dylan Matthews against us.

Somebody needs to ask Al Cervix’s buddy, “Do you seriously want American citizens to live in Shipping Containers? What the hell is wrong with you?” Plus, if they ever end up doing it they’ll be out in the middle of nowhere where you have to drive 10 miles to buy a six pack of beer. Intolerable.

The entire system should be reconsidered from the top to bottom.

If by “reconsidered” you mean “bulldozed into a pile and lit on fire while we all dance around it in a ring singing Hallelujah” then I’m with you.

The flying car problem was largely solved by a crank engineer/inventor namd Molt Taylor circa 1955. His solution had flaws, and was strictly flyable ion a day VFR basis,but it worked very well. One or two still fly, in fact.

That’s right.
Unpacking the contents of an overseas shipping container isn’t a healthy way to make a living either, but only unused containers can be used for housing, making it a pretty expensive way to build.

LOL at the Dylan Matthews cuck/retard:

Meanwhile my ancestor tried to lynch his sister’s fiancée, the first black man to marry a white woman in New Hampshire history. Goy genealogy is just a list of crimes.

A fiancée is a woman.

Yang merely wants to manage the decline long enough so that China can establish a Special Economic Zone in the Bay Area

Correct, and with only mild hyperbole.

His ancestors were dirtbags and he tries to blame it on their whiteness?

How were they dirtbags? Stopping adultery is a noble pursuit.

Yang wants to make 22 million illegals citizens. That’s not stopping the bleeding.

So instead of offering a cure, he is going to offer us hospice care so we can die peacefully in our sleep?

You haven’t heard the stories about how “hospice care” is a euphemism for over-dosing the patient on opiates to get rid of him?

In the UK, hospice care means depriving the victim/patient of water.

The Andrew Yang for President 2020 campaign theme.

I never suggested that anyone live in a shipping container although there’s not a big difference between them and trailers.

Yet Yang still thinks it’s a good idea to import tens of millions more people for whom ACCORDING TO HIS OWN CORRECT ACCOUNT AND PREDICTION, there will be no jobs whatsoever. This is a recipe for widespread permanent poverty, and the violence, family dissolution and dysfunction, racial conflict, and increased government spending and taxation that comes with it.

So why do you want to like the guy?

The average size of a newly constructed single-family detached home is now 2,600 square feet in the USA. The average size of a new house in the USA has doubled since 1960.

Because you can no longer discriminate on the basis of race, you must instead price the diversity out of the neighborhood.

Anyone know what that’s made of? The floors have to be plywood, the roof, wood construction galore. Be a hell of a bonfire if there are no sprinklers.

Despite this, unlike most politicians, Yang strikes me as a moral and intelligent person. While Yang has some interesting ideas, he lacks vision and the conviction to fight the status quo.

The problem with Yang, in my opinion, is that he harbors the same deep-seated fear of Whites that is the prinary driver of non-White political preferences in the USA. Hence, he cannot take the obvious steps that need to be taken on immigration policy. Hence he must condemn manifestations of White identity. Etc.

I have an ego self propelled battery powered mower; the 56 volt lithium battery lasts an hour

He’s part of the Great Replacement crew.

That is from three years ago, and has numerous weird entries probably attributable to the Semitic ethnic origins and extreme Zionism of the creator of the list.

In Aug. 2016, people were struggling to understand what the Alt-Right was, after Hillary mentioned it between coughing bouts on the campaign trail.

By early Sept. 2016, Richard Spencer and then-allies was on a media blitz to (re-)claim the term, and by year’s end it had become much more closely tied to its White racial-nationalist core; hangers-on, peripherals, self-promoters, and indeed non-radicals, either turned against the label (if they ever embraced it in the first place) or otherwise becoming disassociated with the label. Thus was born the Alt-Right vs. Alt-Lite split. But the media-BigTech-state axis has, since 2017, maliciously demonized-deplatformed-censored-prosecuted Alt-Right and Alt-Lite alike.

So while that list may be useful as a historical document reflecting conditions of confusion in late Aug. 2016, it is not useful today. I imagine the ADL-SPCL’s Enemies Lists include all the above, anyway.

Upscale shelter magazines have featured some very costly and avant garde homes put together for wealthy clients using multiple shipping containers. Basic one-container set-ups costing about $30,000 to $50,000 to fully equip also have a following, eccentric as it may seem. Just google shipping container housing…

Semi related, in the sense that technology is getting worse not better, someone in this thread or another mentioned that manual transmissions are “sticking around” because of the illusion of control. Not so — automatic transmissions simply got worse.

You can’t buy a small car without getting a CVT transmission, save the Volkswagen Jetta which has its own automatic transmission problems*. The CVT transmissions are terrible. They are lighter and have better gas mileage which is why the EPA driven car companies are using them, but they come at a huge repair and reliability and driving cost. They have the “rubber band” effect when accelerating. Nothing happens until wham! the car launches. The CVT is a high tension steel belt on continuously variable pulleys, requiring special transmission fluid and with high operating temperatures. When they go, and they do, around 40-60,000 miles, they send fragments of steel shrapnel all throughout the car’s underbody. The transmission fluid is OEM only, very expensive, and requires lots of changes. Only a few dealers can work on the CVTs, as they are generally a sealed unit.

*The Volkswagen Jetta and the Toyota Highlander both share the same ASIN manufactured automatic transmission. Toyota will replace it if you really complain, Volkswagen will not. The transmission has the torque converter flaking metal and making scraping sounds and eventually failing. Software fixes do not address this.

You can buy current larger vehicles without a CVT (they can’t handle the larger vehicles weight) but as Scotty Kilmer points out on Youtube, there are a LOT of consumer complaints about the 8 and 10 speed auto transmissions. The Six speeds were fine, particularly on the Camrys but the new 8 speeds spend most of their time it seems hunting for gears. This increase in gears and thus complexity and computerized shifting is also in the hunt for higher EPA mileage.

I prefer my manual transmission. Its simpler, cheaper to fix, cannot be hacked, my car has no remote keyless entry, no satellite radio, a real key, and is not that hard to drive. Yes its a pain on hills, stop and go traffic, etc. but otherwise its very nice.

We could have much better, safer, easier to drive, and more reliable cars but the search for gas mileage means cars in many respects that are worse not better. It would seem the best cars in terms of overall safety, reliability, and pleasure to drive were made in the late 1990s to early 2000’s.

And this is an issue that none of the Democrats, media, etc. have an answer for. Woke Capital will give you trannies in bathrooms, and Black Lesbian Captain Americas and Jedi Knights, but cannot and will not provide a higher standard of living.

Worse, whichever candidate the Dems pick (likely Harris, polls mean nothing its delegates and super delegates that matter which means money) is going to throw open the borders completely wide (instead of the semi wide under President Cuckworth Trump) and promise all sorts of free stuff to “immigrants.”

The only way that can be done is taking houses and bank accounts of the deplorables. [Universal btw is releasing “the Hunt” on video and Netflix so our betters can enjoy Oscar Winner Hillary Swank kill rednecks at home.] That’s not boiling the frog — that’s outright civil war. They figure they have enough firepower with Anti-Fa, the FBI, the military to do that nationwide. Just figure — another 30 million or so in 2021 and 40 million more in 2022 requires seizing White people’s houses and their bank accounts to pay for all that free stuff and house immigrants.

“And so it begins.”

Eli Lake has an interesting twitter feed. He’s a neocon who at one point defends al-Qaeda (when they wear the right helmet), and a never Trumper on incoherent grounds, but he has some good points, links good links, and his statements appear to be an order of magnitude more precise and well-thought-out than those of, say, David Brooks.

Maybe Kanye really is a genius.