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An interesting phenomenon in Australia is that a large fraction of the professional Aboriginal Media Personalities are close to phenotypically indistinguishable, more or less (and more than less), from the average bogan.

One reason for this is that Aboriginal genes for looks are famously recessive. In fact, that was part of the thinking behind the notorious Stolen Generations of the 1920s. Progressive intellectuals in Australia assumed that children of half-Aboriginal ancestry could be educated in boarding schools and find white spouses and few would notice that their children or grandchildren were not wholly white.

Now, of course, everybody today knows that sending Aboriginal children to boarding schools was the most evil thing ever. For example, Phillip Noyce directed the 2002 movie Rabbit-Proof Fence about how evil 1920s progressive whites were for sending Aboriginal children to boarding schools. Of course, Noyce, a kind man, was hugely distressed when his adolescent starlet after filming went back to her alcoholic and abusive family, and so he then paid to send her to a … boarding school. But that’s not the point, the point is: White Man Bad.

Another reason that so many professional Australian Aboriginal Activists look like normal white people is because in Australia you aren’t legally allowed to publicly notice that pattern. From ABC.net:

Bolt breached discrimination act, judge rules
Updated 28 Sep 2011, 6:05pm

Columnist and political commentator Andrew Bolt breached the Racial Discrimination Act over two articles he wrote in 2009, a judge has ruled.

Bolt was being sued in the Federal Court by nine Aboriginal people including former ATSIC chairman Geoff Clark, academic Professor Larissa Behrendt, activist Pat Eatock, photographer Bindi Cole, author Anita Heiss, health worker Leeanne Enoch, native title expert Graham Atkinson, academic Wayne Atkinson, and lawyer Mark McMillan.

They alleged two articles written by Bolt for his employer, the Herald and Weekly Times, implied light-skinned people who identified as Aboriginal did so for personal gain.

The articles were headlined “It’s so hip to be black” and “White fellas in the black”.

Bolt’s lawyer, Neil Young, had argued the articles represented his client’s genuinely held views on matters of public interest.

Bolt argued his articles were fair and were within the laws of free speech provisions.

But barrister Ron Merkel SC, appearing for the applicants, said the articles took a “eugenics approach” that was frozen in history.

Today Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith and contained factual errors.

He said the articles would have offended a reasonable member of the Aboriginal community.

Speaking outside court, Bolt described the verdict as “a terrible day for free speech in this country”.

If you aren’t allowed to joke about a silly thing, you get more of it.

 
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  1. The cop involved in that shooting has just been charged with murder.

    • Replies: @Nodwink
    @Nodwink


    Another reason that so many professional Australian Aboriginal Activists look like normal white people is because in Australia you aren’t legally allowed to publicly notice that pattern.
     
    There's another reason: You don't actually have to have any Aboriginal ancestry to qualify as Aboriginal. You can self-identify as Aboriginal, or be accepted as such by an Aboriginal tribe.

    The funniest example of this I saw on Australian TV show, about the goings-on at an Australian airport. An Orthodox Jewish man (dressed as you'd expect an Orthodox Jew to be dressed) who "identified as an Aborigine" got into a squabble with Customs over his didgeridoo. I have been unable to find the footage online, but I assure you I am not making this up.

    Replies: @Buck Ransom

    , @eah
    @Nodwink

    There is a GoFundMe setup for this case:

    Justice for Yuendumu: Inquiry on Police Shooting

    Unsurprisingly, a fairly large amount of money has already been raised -- also unsurprising: if you click on "donors", you get a pop-up where you can scroll down and see the names of the donors -- doing so, it appears (at least to me) that among the non-anonymous donors, the vast majority are female -- I would say at least 80+%.

  2. Did Bolt’s lawyer address the court in wobbly voice while strumming a six-string?

    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @TorontoTraveller

    Yes: there are some weirdly overdone names in this story in general, I'd say, which makes the whole thing feel fictional. But I guess it isn't.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @TorontoTraveller

    Maybe the lawyer would have done better if he'd sung "Out of the Blue and Into the Black" instead of "On the Losing End."

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @TorontoTraveller

    Yeah, and Mordecai Bromberg, Leeanne Enoch, and Pat Eat(c)ock? Oh, and the other Neil Young does not STRUM his guitar. When he plays acoustic guitar, he's got this weird way of hitting the wood, making it both a harmonic and percussive instrument. It's a pretty unique sound.

    Maybe you're thinking of Jimmy Buffett down there in Margaritaville, searchin' for his lost shaker of salt ;-} .... wish I were down there today. This morning, I shot six holes in my freezer, I think I got cabin fever. I wanna go where it's warm.

    I'd like to go where the pace of life's slow.
    Could you beam me somewhere Mr. Scott?
    Any ol' place here on earth or in space,
    you pick the century and I'll pick the spot.

  3. @TorontoTraveller
    Did Bolt's lawyer address the court in wobbly voice while strumming a six-string?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes: there are some weirdly overdone names in this story in general, I’d say, which makes the whole thing feel fictional. But I guess it isn’t.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @slumber_j


    overdone names
     
    And the cast of characters:

    Bolt was being sued in the Federal Court by nine Aboriginal people including former ATSIC chairman ... Clark, academic Professor... Behrendt, activist... Eatock, photographer... Cole, author... Heiss, health worker... Enoch, native title expert... Atkinson, academic... Atkinson, and lawyer... McMillan.

    Looks like professional activists with no real jobs.
  4. @TorontoTraveller
    Did Bolt's lawyer address the court in wobbly voice while strumming a six-string?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman

    Maybe the lawyer would have done better if he’d sung “Out of the Blue and Into the Black” instead of “On the Losing End.”

  5. Bolt is quite Sailerish i.e. a reasonable sort but not blind to what’s in front of his lyin’ eyes. In what used to be “the colonies” that will land you in court now.

    “Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith”

    I see the Aussie courts have windows into men’s souls.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @Tusk
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Marty Bromberg (Jewish, not born in Australia and didn't learn English until later as a kid) is behind some of the most ridiculous court rulings in this country. A family due for deportation, for not having any reason to be granted asylum, was halted as they were in the air back to their country by his court injunction. And then when the injunction ran out a few days later, another injunction was issued, so on and so forth. Despite the government denying their application this foreign judge has ruled their ruling incorrect, because he knows better! It's the same everywhere in the West, same problems, same causes.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @YetAnotherAnon

    "Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg". A white anglo saxon protestant, for sure.
    Word weasel.

  6. Huh, I didn’t know the Overly Attached Girlfriend gal moved Down Under and became an Aboriginal.

    The things you learn. 🤔

  7. Why would anybody pretend to be a person of color for personal gain? It is common knowledge that whiteness confers privileges on people within the social construct

    white peoples must be allies against white supremacy or face the consequences
    M

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Holden Neil

    Please.

    That's a disgusting image. Don't post such things.

  8. Federal Court Justice (((Mordecai Bromberg)))

    Free speech seems to be their top enemy these days.

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Cucksworth

    A Talmudic non-scholar complaining
    Something's not in "good faith" is just feigning
    That he knows what that is;
    In the faith that is his,
    The lies need a lot of explaining.

  9. Rachel Dolezal should have tried her shtick in Oz, she would still be on top of the heap.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal's problem is that she went a step too far - she didn't even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% "socially construct" your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.

    It's just the old one drop rule (modern Leftism is just the old Jim Crow system in flipped on its head - it's like the old joke - "Under capitalism, man oppresses man. But under Communism, it's the other way around."). One drop of black blood can make you black, but Dolezal's problem was that she didn't even have that one drop.

    Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @AnotherDad

  10. …a-n-d pix of the ‘abos’ filing suit by idle hands in the debbils workshop, in 3..2..1

  11. IIRC, there was a similar shtick going a few years ago in Canada – Mark Steyn used to write about it. There were “Human Rights Tribunals” (kangaroo courts) put in when the Leftists ran Canada that ran roughshod over free speech. You were not allowed to say anything that they decided was “hate speech”. When they were questioned on it, they said that free speech was an American thing and had nothing to do with Canadian values.

    After a few brainless prosecutions, the Canadian Parliament ended up repealing the section of the law that permitted these hate speech prosecutions, so I guess free speech IS a Canadian value after all. I’m sure that under President Warren they would try to get things like this into American law as well. The “hate speech is not protected free speech” debate goes on here as well, with Leftists generally agreeing with that principle.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @jimmyriddle
    @Jack D

    Human rights tribunals are still there.

    That was how Jessica "Balldemort" Yaniv plied his grift.

  12. OT: I fear Open Source is now officially a liberal khazi community … your code doesn’t matter, it’s what and who you are and what you believe in that is important.

    After some Trump Hat Bro got kicked out of the Foundation due to a selfie of 3 years ago where he was seen wearing The Hat being detected by a commissar, and Bob Martin’s letter to the obviously sinking ship, have there been any developments.

    From Reddit Thread

    Kim Crayton, Community Engineer and Advocate

    Kim is an advocate for diversity, inclusion, and safe spaces in tech. She has years of experience working with learners of all ages, skill level, and abilities and is now using her knowledge to develop technical people, ideas, organizations, and communities.

    She shares her experience and research through many channels include “The Community Engineering Report” podcast (@CommEngReport), “Taming the Wild West: Strategies For Successfully Transitioning Into A Technology Career” workshop, public speaking, and #WeCanDoBetter, and soon with the Node.js community at Node.js Interactive.

    Rules of engagement for new followers:

    ~ All whiteness is racist by design

    ~ Which means that it can’t be trusted by default

    ~ You’re not my “ally” & no we’re not on the same side

    ~ This is not a democracy, I don’t care about your opinions

    This can only mean that Linux is cultural appropriation and irredeemably racist. NegorContinent will have to use Microsoft Windows then. 🤷

    To survive 20 years of frontal assault by Microsoft and getting called every name up to “Communist”, only to end up with a Color Revolution. Oh well.

    No money anymore.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @El Dato

    If the Linux spergs allow this to happen after seeing what happened to the gamers when they were attacked by a bunch of lesbos and trannies, then they deserve it. Tell these people to cut some code or sod off.

    Replies: @anon

  13. @kaganovitch
    Rachel Dolezal should have tried her shtick in Oz, she would still be on top of the heap.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal’s problem is that she went a step too far – she didn’t even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% “socially construct” your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.

    It’s just the old one drop rule (modern Leftism is just the old Jim Crow system in flipped on its head – it’s like the old joke – “Under capitalism, man oppresses man. But under Communism, it’s the other way around.”). One drop of black blood can make you black, but Dolezal’s problem was that she didn’t even have that one drop.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
    @Jack D

    Maybe Rachel was confused about blood and semen.

    , @Jim bob Lassiter
    @Jack D

    Maybe Rachel was confused about blood and semen.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal’s problem is that she went a step too far – she didn’t even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% “socially construct” your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.
     
    I disagree, Jack. There is a world of difference in terms of social import between claiming Native ancestry and black American ancestry. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but probably because lots of prominent Caucasian Americans have claimed vestigial Native ancestry (Johnny Cash and Bill Clinton both claiming to be Cherokee) such a claim even if specious isn't considered outlandish. It's just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    There really isn't a history of people sincerely pretending to be black until recently. One supposes that to do so would have resulted in a reduction in social status that isn't the case with a claim of Native ancestry. Dolezal's behavior was unusual in that she was making a ridiculous claim given her life history, and adding cosmetic enhancements to "pass." I think most reasonable people don't see what she's done as cunning, but probably the product of some sort of psychological disturbance.

    What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is that she took a common family legend of dubious origin and embellished it with patently false statements of fact (she has claimed in the past that her mother was so obviously Native American by appearance that her parents had to elope due to the disapproval of her paternal grandparents), and leveraged it for personal and professional gain at the expense of real Indians. It went from a largely harmless Southern folk practice to a calibrated swindle of the misplaced sympathy of Americans by an ambitious sociopath. (cf. Warren's claim that her paternal grandparents rejected her mother to the infinitesimal degree of Amerindian ancestry that her self-serving "test" revealed and tell me that she didn't construct elaborate false narratives in service of her assumed identity).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @nsa, @Hail

    , @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    It would be nice if conservatives/whites would insist on some sort of explicit test for people to claim membership/AA benefits in a particular group. 50% +/- say 5% would be reasonable. Very easy to defend say "at least 25%". This would have had very positive integrative/majoritarian benefits. "Hey you are not a minority anymore shut up and get on with life."

    But unfortunately the whole "no such thing", "socially constructed" thing is working for the balkanizers here. Even though there is some solid PR mileage to be had, it would be a battle to recover ground and make that sort of thing stick now.

  14. Jo Swine-Scot is 75% pig.

    Doesn’t stop it leading the LibDems.

  15. “21 Indigenous deaths at the hands of police” as if that happens in a vacuum, or cops go on their shift every afternoon looking to hunt poor innocent unfortunates. No context at all; the vast overwhelming majority of people killed by police were shot by responding police officers because of their own criminal actions. And had any of them stopped for a second and simply complied with police instructions, they would still be alive. Fully expect though the cop haters have the communion and graduation photos of these criminals at the ready, as they do here. Dindonuffins is now a world wide phenomenon.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Bugg


    “21 Indigenous deaths at the hands of police”
     
    Most of these are drunken, diseased Abos who die in Police lockups with no help from the cops.
    Except in Western Australia.
    They get plenty of help there.
    One poor bastard in Perth was tasered 41 times in a week.
    Although others say you haven't seen Abos till you've been to W.A..
    , @Redneck farmer
    @Bugg

    You say crime; abos say traditional values.

  16. I know they’re recessives & all that…. But, who in his (or her) right mind would even consider the idea of having sex with these people who are probably the ugliest humans who ever existed (with possible exception of Tasmanians)?

    I understand perversion, but this is too much, those Anglo-Celtic pervy freaks rutting with those humanoids….

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "who in his (or her) right mind would even consider the idea of having sex with these people"

    How about a lot of sex-starved convicts?


    "God bless our wives and families,
    Likewise that happy shore,
    That isle of sweet contentment
    Which we shall see no more;
    As for the wretched females,
    See them we seldom can,
    There are fourteen men to every woman
    In Van Diemen's Land."
     

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @AndrewR
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Indeed. I've never seen a full blooded Abeaux I would call even slightly good looking. I can't say that about any other group.

  17. The “aborigine” woman has green eyes, so she is at most the granddaughter of a full aborigine.

  18. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal's problem is that she went a step too far - she didn't even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% "socially construct" your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.

    It's just the old one drop rule (modern Leftism is just the old Jim Crow system in flipped on its head - it's like the old joke - "Under capitalism, man oppresses man. But under Communism, it's the other way around."). One drop of black blood can make you black, but Dolezal's problem was that she didn't even have that one drop.

    Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @AnotherDad

    Maybe Rachel was confused about blood and semen.

  19. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal's problem is that she went a step too far - she didn't even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% "socially construct" your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.

    It's just the old one drop rule (modern Leftism is just the old Jim Crow system in flipped on its head - it's like the old joke - "Under capitalism, man oppresses man. But under Communism, it's the other way around."). One drop of black blood can make you black, but Dolezal's problem was that she didn't even have that one drop.

    Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @AnotherDad

    Maybe Rachel was confused about blood and semen.

    • Replies: @Sam Malone
    @Jim bob Lassiter

    lol

  20. Australia- where some of the ‘indigenous’ are whiter than Liz Warren.

    However, if you come across someone white-skinned sporting either an Aboriginal art motif t-shirt or an Aboriginal flag lapel badge, it’s safe to assume s/he is a white whitefella- not a white blackfella.

  21. @TorontoTraveller
    Did Bolt's lawyer address the court in wobbly voice while strumming a six-string?

    Replies: @slumber_j, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, and Mordecai Bromberg, Leeanne Enoch, and Pat Eat(c)ock? Oh, and the other Neil Young does not STRUM his guitar. When he plays acoustic guitar, he’s got this weird way of hitting the wood, making it both a harmonic and percussive instrument. It’s a pretty unique sound.

    Maybe you’re thinking of Jimmy Buffett down there in Margaritaville, searchin’ for his lost shaker of salt ;-} …. wish I were down there today. This morning, I shot six holes in my freezer, I think I got cabin fever. I wanna go where it’s warm.

    I’d like to go where the pace of life’s slow.
    Could you beam me somewhere Mr. Scott?
    Any ol’ place here on earth or in space,
    you pick the century and I’ll pick the spot.

  22. @Nodwink
    The cop involved in that shooting has just been charged with murder.

    Replies: @Nodwink, @eah

    Another reason that so many professional Australian Aboriginal Activists look like normal white people is because in Australia you aren’t legally allowed to publicly notice that pattern.

    There’s another reason: You don’t actually have to have any Aboriginal ancestry to qualify as Aboriginal. You can self-identify as Aboriginal, or be accepted as such by an Aboriginal tribe.

    The funniest example of this I saw on Australian TV show, about the goings-on at an Australian airport. An Orthodox Jewish man (dressed as you’d expect an Orthodox Jew to be dressed) who “identified as an Aborigine” got into a squabble with Customs over his didgeridoo. I have been unable to find the footage online, but I assure you I am not making this up.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
    @Nodwink

    I wonder if there are many Abos who identify as Ashkenazi, and if they are feted (no, not fetid) with great fanfare when they don a yarmulke and make their aliyah to the old sod.

  23. Justice Mordecai Bromberg, eh?

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @Senor Moose

    Mordecai “Three Fingers” Bromberg.

  24. One reason for this is that Aboriginal genes for looks are famously recessive.

    That part is pretty interesting, Steve. That’s unlike the case with African blacks, and Orientals too, from what I see.

    Mordecai Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith and contained factual errors.

    In other words, he didn’t agree. What a way to run a country. It’s why you need a not just the right people in office, as that’s only temporary, but a Constitution, oh yeah, and voters who understand how important it is … oops.

    BTW, for Jack D. I do remember that whole long Canadian Human Rights court case from my regular reading of Mark Steyn a decade or so ago. He’s lived in New Hampshire now for quite a while.

  25. “Today Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith and contained factual errors.”

    Mordecai Bromberg. Huh.

  26. this happens also with native Americans in the US, compare a self-proclaimed native American today (I’m not talking about obvious frauds like Elizabeth Warren but native Americans living in reservations) with a photo of Geronimo or Sitting Bull or any other 19th century Indian. Obviously there were a lot of intermarriages with whites going on but eventually affirmative action made it convenient for someone hat, say, is 1/4th Indian to identify as Native American.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Andy

    Tribes in the USA often enroll people as members who can prove just a 1/8 or 1/16 blood quantum.

  27. I haven’t read the articles, but my guess would be that the argument that lighter skin grants advantage was not used to argue that aboriginals should be bred lighter to take advantage. (Where are we to find people to sleep with them, in the first place?)

    Eugenic implications, perhaps. But we’re not really talking about genetic advantage, here. Are we? We’re talking about social preference.

  28. Judge Mordecai Bromberg, huh?

  29. Bolt was being sued in the Federal Court by nine Aboriginal people including former ATSIC chairman Geoff Clark

    Geoff Clark looks hardly an Aboriginal.

    After all maybe not.

  30. @Jack D
    IIRC, there was a similar shtick going a few years ago in Canada - Mark Steyn used to write about it. There were "Human Rights Tribunals" (kangaroo courts) put in when the Leftists ran Canada that ran roughshod over free speech. You were not allowed to say anything that they decided was "hate speech". When they were questioned on it, they said that free speech was an American thing and had nothing to do with Canadian values.

    After a few brainless prosecutions, the Canadian Parliament ended up repealing the section of the law that permitted these hate speech prosecutions, so I guess free speech IS a Canadian value after all. I'm sure that under President Warren they would try to get things like this into American law as well. The "hate speech is not protected free speech" debate goes on here as well, with Leftists generally agreeing with that principle.

    Replies: @jimmyriddle

    Human rights tribunals are still there.

    That was how Jessica “Balldemort” Yaniv plied his grift.

  31. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal's problem is that she went a step too far - she didn't even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% "socially construct" your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.

    It's just the old one drop rule (modern Leftism is just the old Jim Crow system in flipped on its head - it's like the old joke - "Under capitalism, man oppresses man. But under Communism, it's the other way around."). One drop of black blood can make you black, but Dolezal's problem was that she didn't even have that one drop.

    Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @AnotherDad

    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal’s problem is that she went a step too far – she didn’t even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% “socially construct” your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.

    I disagree, Jack. There is a world of difference in terms of social import between claiming Native ancestry and black American ancestry. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, but probably because lots of prominent Caucasian Americans have claimed vestigial Native ancestry (Johnny Cash and Bill Clinton both claiming to be Cherokee) such a claim even if specious isn’t considered outlandish. It’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    There really isn’t a history of people sincerely pretending to be black until recently. One supposes that to do so would have resulted in a reduction in social status that isn’t the case with a claim of Native ancestry. Dolezal’s behavior was unusual in that she was making a ridiculous claim given her life history, and adding cosmetic enhancements to “pass.” I think most reasonable people don’t see what she’s done as cunning, but probably the product of some sort of psychological disturbance.

    What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is that she took a common family legend of dubious origin and embellished it with patently false statements of fact (she has claimed in the past that her mother was so obviously Native American by appearance that her parents had to elope due to the disapproval of her paternal grandparents), and leveraged it for personal and professional gain at the expense of real Indians. It went from a largely harmless Southern folk practice to a calibrated swindle of the misplaced sympathy of Americans by an ambitious sociopath. (cf. Warren’s claim that her paternal grandparents rejected her mother to the infinitesimal degree of Amerindian ancestry that her self-serving “test” revealed and tell me that she didn’t construct elaborate false narratives in service of her assumed identity).

    • Agree: Herbert West
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    It’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.
     
    Lying is not cool even when it's done for a good cause.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @utu, @Pheasant

    , @Corvinus
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    "What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is..."

    Cash sang a song about Warren and Dolezal, and even you and I. We're all in this together!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nhcIXgcnWk

    , @nsa
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    In the early 1960s, John Griffin took large doses of methoxsalen to turn his skin dark and traveled the Deep South as a "negro". His observations were detailed in his book, Black Like Me, published in 1961. Griffin's book and the later joovie raised the ire of both white and black. He received many death threats and for safety moved overseas for a time. The book is an interesting read and a fair assessment of race relations in the south at the time.

    , @Hail
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    It [claiming distant Amerind ancestry]’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.
     
    Going by the 23andMe data, the amount of Amerind ancestry in the population-stock we might label White Southern US is very likely to be under 0.5%, the equivalent to a full-Amerind ancestor eight generations ago. For a person born in the 1940s that would be a full-ancestor-equivalent born about the first half of the 18th century, long past the point of any kind of meaningful cultural transmission.

    In simple language, most are wrong about having any kind of recent Amerindian ancestry. What I wonder is: Do we have any studies tracing when/where these claims of partial Amerind ancestry begin to emerge?

  32. When we lived in Queensland a prominent local Abo shit-stirrer was revealed to be 0% Abo: he was mainly Irish with a dash of negro.

    Those were the days! This current example turns out to be 100% English.
    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/bennelong-papers/2019/11/the-epicentre-of-our-history/

  33. Having seen the occasional few episodes of this debate show, The Drum, from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, an observation:

    It seems to be a show that consciously and by design encourages anti-white diatribes. Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    The Drum’s “modus operandi” is to bring on an obscure guest, often but not necessarily an ‘ethnic’ one, who is the attack figure on the show. This attack figure bashes whites, or men, or non-immigrants, conservatives, Christians, or all those at once, for one reason or another. The rest of the panel are as the “straight man” in comedy routines, nodding along; there is usually one guy on as some kind of decoy opposition but he doesn’t have a chance, and plays by their rules.

    That is The Drum.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Hail


    Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.
     
    I'm an Australian, and yes that is precisely the purpose of the show. In fact it's the purpose of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as a whole. They are enforcers of political correctness. The ABC has no other purpose.

    If you watch the ABC you'll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children's shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It's absolutely relentless propaganda.

    They're even more hysterical when it comes to LGBT stuff. It's quite terrifying. They're fanatics.

    Replies: @Hail, @Clyde

    , @Lurker
    @Hail

    That certainly sounds exactly like any number (all?) of the debate shows on British TV.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Tusk
    @Hail

    Well the head of the ABC, which is nothing but pure agitprop, is Jewish. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

  34. Bolt was being sued in the Federal Court by nine Aboriginal people including former ATSIC chairman Geoff Clark, academic Professor Larissa Behrendt, activist Pat Eatock, photographer Bindi Cole, author Anita Heiss, health worker Leeanne Enoch, native title expert Graham Atkinson, academic Wayne Atkinson, and lawyer Mark McMillan.

    Each one looks as Aboriginal as Rachel Dolezal looks Black.

  35. @Hail
    Having seen the occasional few episodes of this debate show, The Drum, from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, an observation:

    It seems to be a show that consciously and by design encourages anti-white diatribes. Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    The Drum's "modus operandi" is to bring on an obscure guest, often but not necessarily an 'ethnic' one, who is the attack figure on the show. This attack figure bashes whites, or men, or non-immigrants, conservatives, Christians, or all those at once, for one reason or another. The rest of the panel are as the "straight man" in comedy routines, nodding along; there is usually one guy on as some kind of decoy opposition but he doesn't have a chance, and plays by their rules.

    That is The Drum.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Lurker, @Tusk

    Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.

    I’m an Australian, and yes that is precisely the purpose of the show. In fact it’s the purpose of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as a whole. They are enforcers of political correctness. The ABC has no other purpose.

    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It’s absolutely relentless propaganda.

    They’re even more hysterical when it comes to LGBT stuff. It’s quite terrifying. They’re fanatics.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @dfordoom


    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It’s absolutely relentless propaganda.
     
    Puzzling for those of us who retain the stereotype of a conservative-oriented Australia.

    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.

    In my own limited experience, I can say the other Australian ABC news coverage I've seen of late was not as overt as this Drum program, which was nearing very close to looking like a parody that Steve Sailer might come up with.

    My other consumption of Aus. media in recent times has produced only one consistent counter-example to the above that I recall clearly -- one consistent topic on which they appear to rally around the flag. That would be attitudes to China/Chinese. (I believe that the number of Chinese in Australia is, per capita, around 10x what ours in the US is.)

    The ABC's highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.

    It went even as far as this: I caught one segment of the ABC news anchoress saying (i.e., reading teleprompter) that Chinese chauvinist students in Australia had been making hostile racial comments against "whites" (I use quotation marks because she used that word, not a euphemism). Nationalists on one issue? Then back to regularly scheduled "non-to-anti-"nationalism.

    Replies: @Tusk, @anon, @dfordoom

    , @Clyde
    @dfordoom


    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda....
     
    How can their PC drek hijack a gardening show? Though there was a radio gardening show where I live that was got me on the right track as far as planting/growing fruit trees. It broke up and went off the air. I later found out that one of the duo (two guys were hosting it) was very right wing, that they could not stand each other's politics.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @dfordoom

  36. Have there been IQ studies on these 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8 Aborigine people? Seems like the full blooded ones are really low, like in the 60s. Curious is they rise to the 80s, 90s, etc. as they gain more and more European genes. Or is this allowed to be noticed? I recall an article about a record number of Aborigines in a medical school class, and they all looked like a V Dare conference group.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Hannah Katz

    It’s ironic that the whiter ones are the spokesmen BECAUSE they are whiter. Full-blooded aborigines have low verbal IQ. This is not to demean them, since they have higher visual skills than whites:

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00049538608259009

    https://youtu.be/o7_IY0puuo4

  37. Amy Thunig is some kind of academic. She has article on-line called “Ten questions I get asked by non-aboriginal people.”

    As to how aboriginal she is, the answer is basically: “FU for asking.” It turns out percentages are a social construct. So I’m putting my money on 0%.

    3. How much Aboriginal are you? What part of you is Aboriginal?

    ‘My green eyes…my hair when I don’t straighten it… and my height (I am over 6ft)’ is a joke response I tend to give, as I am aware that this question stems from the students trying to understand my Indigeneity when I have light skin and freckles.

    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world. ‘

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Hypnotoad666

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7GWMy2sE1M

    , @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world. ‘
     
    She is right about that. American Indian leaders like to pull the exact same shtick and for the exact same reasons - many of them have little if any "blood-quantum" so it is not in their personal interest to start measuring. Generally speaking, whenever someone tells you "how dare you ask that question" it means that they don't really want to answer it because a truthful answer would not be in their personal interest. Better to declare the subject off limits to questioning with a little intimidation and guilt mongering and a smidgen of mysticism.

    Replies: @bjondo

    , @Daniel Williams
    @Hypnotoad666


    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world.
     
    I.e., “so don’t you dare suggest that I should only get, say, 1/64th the goodies that a full-blooded, abo-looking abo should get!”

    This chick needs her kangaroo tied down, sports.

  38. If you aren’t allowed to joke about a silly thing, you get more of it.

    Likewise hiding behind passive voice and being content to merely bitch about it on the internet rather than do anything about it.

    Although it is a mystery why I’m supposed to get worked up about people Cloward-Pivening a system set up to disinherit me and mine.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Desiderius

    You mean you deserve welfare because you're European or something, but aborigines don't simply because they're not. That's logical.

    , @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    But Cloward-Piven didn't work. "Increasing the contradictions" didn't really bring about the downfall of capitalism, it just brought us more social welfare state. The same thing here - more of this ridiculousness is not likely to bring about the Revolution - we'll probably just muddle thru with increased levels of ridiculousness. There's a lot of ruin in a nation so the idea that you are going to change things by adding to the ruin or failing to resist it so that it all breaks down faster rarely works - it's like trying to bring about a flood by peeing in the ocean.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

  39. @slumber_j
    @TorontoTraveller

    Yes: there are some weirdly overdone names in this story in general, I'd say, which makes the whole thing feel fictional. But I guess it isn't.

    Replies: @bomag

    overdone names

    And the cast of characters:

    Bolt was being sued in the Federal Court by nine Aboriginal people including former ATSIC chairman … Clark, academic Professor… Behrendt, activist… Eatock, photographer… Cole, author… Heiss, health worker… Enoch, native title expert… Atkinson, academic… Atkinson, and lawyer… McMillan.

    Looks like professional activists with no real jobs.

  40. @Hypnotoad666
    Amy Thunig is some kind of academic. She has article on-line called "Ten questions I get asked by non-aboriginal people."

    As to how aboriginal she is, the answer is basically: "FU for asking." It turns out percentages are a social construct. So I'm putting my money on 0%.

    3. How much Aboriginal are you? What part of you is Aboriginal?

    ‘My green eyes…my hair when I don’t straighten it… and my height (I am over 6ft)’ is a joke response I tend to give, as I am aware that this question stems from the students trying to understand my Indigeneity when I have light skin and freckles.

    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world. ‘
     

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D, @Daniel Williams

  41. There was an Australian film The Chant of Jimmy Blacksmiththat was based on a true story. A half Aborigine Australian tries to fit into White Australian society but gets abused and exploited at every turn. He finally snaps when his White wife has a baby and the baby looks as White as Amy Thunig. Jimmy jumps to the conclusion that he has been cuckolded and goes on a killing spree with his full blooded Aborigine half-brother, killing several people before being caught and hanged. The movie got roasted because it was such a downer and there were no righteous heroes. Most of the people murdered were innocents including a baby in her crib.

  42. One reason for this is that Aboriginal genes for looks are famously recessive. In fact, that was part of the thinking behind the notorious Stolen Generations of the 1920s. Progressive intellectuals in Australia assumed that children of half-Aboriginal ancestry could be educated in boarding schools and find white spouses and few would notice that their children or grandchildren were not wholly white.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @syonredux

    I wonder if the dilution happens as rapidly when the father's the aboriginal?

    When I was a kiddie and we first cane to Straya, I was a white-looking quadroon (25% Maori) in the middle of the Northern Territory. I never experienced any racism from anyone, but the two sides gave each other a hell of a time at Tennant Creek Area School.

    The blackfella kids at my school claimed that the yellafella (mixed-race aboriginal kids) with blackfella dads were still 'proper' members of the community, but those with whitefella dads weren't. They also reckoned they could tell the difference in a 'blow-in' (non-local).

    There was a pejorative for a bloke who would sleep with an aboriginal woman : gin-jockey (aboriginal women were called 'gins' by whites, and 'lubra' by their own people).

    So weird that I still use slang from that time, and it's mostly abo slang (like gammin' to mean joking).


    Anyway... given that my Maori taint comes from my Mum's side, and Mum's Mum was a Finn-Dane cross (and mad as a cut snake)... and Dad's a huge white blue-eyed European 'bitzer', it's not terribly surprising that we all look like him (but with hazel eyes).

    Two of my siblings are significantly darker (basically they always look tanned, is all) and have darker brown eyes.

    What we all did get, though, was the Maori "laconic until very-abruptly very non-laconic" temperament. It's like igniting thermite, and no amount of cognitive 'brute force' can stop it. It would come in handy if it could be switched on deliberately, but in half a century I've never worked out how; thankfully Nana's berserker craziness is more accessible (but has a different quality).

  43. More lying spin.

    What the spokes persons look like is a minor detail.

    What they say is true. Aborigines are suffering from over-surveillance, over-incarceration, and death.

    And you’ll probably blame the victims as always. Even the over-surveillance. You’re going to blame the Aborigines for over-surveilling themselves or some typical insanity.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @obwandiyag

    Dear obwandiyag,

    We welcome criticism to the extent that it guides us toward improvement.

    We've listened to your side's criticisms for going on a hundred years now, and implemented almost all your policy recommendations, and yet the promised outcomes are not occurring.

  44. @Desiderius

    If you aren’t allowed to joke about a silly thing, you get more of it.
     
    Likewise hiding behind passive voice and being content to merely bitch about it on the internet rather than do anything about it.

    Although it is a mystery why I’m supposed to get worked up about people Cloward-Pivening a system set up to disinherit me and mine.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Jack D

    You mean you deserve welfare because you’re European or something, but aborigines don’t simply because they’re not. That’s logical.

  45. “… a terrible day for free speech in this country”.

    That ship done sailed a long, long time ago.

    Oddly enough, Russia has lower taxes and freer speech than most of the “Free World.” They don’t need to rig our elections, they just need to sit back and watch us implode.

  46. @Desiderius

    If you aren’t allowed to joke about a silly thing, you get more of it.
     
    Likewise hiding behind passive voice and being content to merely bitch about it on the internet rather than do anything about it.

    Although it is a mystery why I’m supposed to get worked up about people Cloward-Pivening a system set up to disinherit me and mine.

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Jack D

    But Cloward-Piven didn’t work. “Increasing the contradictions” didn’t really bring about the downfall of capitalism, it just brought us more social welfare state. The same thing here – more of this ridiculousness is not likely to bring about the Revolution – we’ll probably just muddle thru with increased levels of ridiculousness. There’s a lot of ruin in a nation so the idea that you are going to change things by adding to the ruin or failing to resist it so that it all breaks down faster rarely works – it’s like trying to bring about a flood by peeing in the ocean.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    But Cloward-Piven didn’t work. “Increasing the contradictions” didn’t really bring about the downfall of capitalism, it just brought us more social welfare state.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/I6MWH57_mbvqEImRbheEU_RwxVE=/1200x0/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/VRXK5XNAYWPMWCSKTQGUREHJIM.jpg

    , @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    I fail to see how increasing the number of people who recognize the ridiculousness of Affirmative Action is ruinous to the American nation. Isn't that what Steve is trying to accomplish?

  47. We’ve seen this here in the U.S.

    Introducing the Mohegan tribal council, with Chief Five Cards and Princess Red Die:

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Ray Huffman

    Some of them look not completely white.

    Replies: @Ray Huffman, @Jon

    , @G. Poulin
    @Ray Huffman

    I like the string ties, but gee ... not a feather in sight.

    , @Lot
    @Ray Huffman

    Trump called out these race faking scammers decades ago. Actual Indian on Pine Ridge living in dire poverty while fake Indians cash in on white guilt:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/10/31/10384dc3e03c434f847596a0988ffc49_18.jpg

    https://lakotawaldorfschool.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/garden.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @Clyde

  48. @Hypnotoad666
    Amy Thunig is some kind of academic. She has article on-line called "Ten questions I get asked by non-aboriginal people."

    As to how aboriginal she is, the answer is basically: "FU for asking." It turns out percentages are a social construct. So I'm putting my money on 0%.

    3. How much Aboriginal are you? What part of you is Aboriginal?

    ‘My green eyes…my hair when I don’t straighten it… and my height (I am over 6ft)’ is a joke response I tend to give, as I am aware that this question stems from the students trying to understand my Indigeneity when I have light skin and freckles.

    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world. ‘
     

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D, @Daniel Williams

    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world. ‘

    She is right about that. American Indian leaders like to pull the exact same shtick and for the exact same reasons – many of them have little if any “blood-quantum” so it is not in their personal interest to start measuring. Generally speaking, whenever someone tells you “how dare you ask that question” it means that they don’t really want to answer it because a truthful answer would not be in their personal interest. Better to declare the subject off limits to questioning with a little intimidation and guilt mongering and a smidgen of mysticism.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    @Jack D

    Generally speaking, whenever someone tells you “how dare you ask that question” it means that they don’t really want to answer it because a truthful answer would not be in their personal interest. Better to declare the subject off limits to questioning with a little intimidation and guilt mongering and a smidgen of mysticism.

    Similar to the response to holocaust questioning, do you think?

    What do I know.

    Replies: @Jack D

  49. Go Aboris.

    For the sake of Aboris, end all immigration-invasion to Australia. It’s bad enough Aboris lost their land to whites. No sense making them lose it to all the world.

  50. For all the flaws of the One Drop Rule in the US, there are almost no similar cases here. Just about everyone who identifies as black has at least some degree of black physical appearance. In certain cases it’s a minimal degree, for example Shaun King, but it’s there to see.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @prosa123

    Yeah, but everyone and a presidential candidate think they're part Cherokee. The Aborigines are more analogous to our Native Americans than American Blacks.

    , @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I think this has more to do with biology than culture. For some reason, white- aboriginal crosses seem to favor the white, but white-black crosses tend to favor the black. Someone who is is 1/8th black sometimes bears visible (if somewhat subtle) hints of their black heritage, like Shaun King, but someone who is 1/8 Aboriginal almost always looks like Amy where you can't see any hint of it even if you know it's there and are looking for it. As Desiderius says, it's more like Amerindians - someone 1/8 Amerindian usually looks fully "white".

    Also the fact that (unlike Americans) most Australians are of British ancestry and are often blond and blue eyed tends to lead to more rapid disappearance of aboriginal traits than say a southern Italian - African cross leads to disappearance of black traits. You'll notice that Any has blue eyes but brown hair - it wouldn't surprise me if her relatives on her white side were blond. So you end up looking European but not as blond as your white relatives.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @Anon55uu

    , @Jon
    @prosa123


    In certain cases it’s a minimal degree, for example Shaun King, but it’s there to see.
     
    Does Shaun King actually have black ancestry? I thought he was the male Rachel Dolezal. I remember seeing pictures floating around of his white parents and of a police record that listed him as white.

    Replies: @prosa123

  51. @syonredux

    One reason for this is that Aboriginal genes for looks are famously recessive. In fact, that was part of the thinking behind the notorious Stolen Generations of the 1920s. Progressive intellectuals in Australia assumed that children of half-Aboriginal ancestry could be educated in boarding schools and find white spouses and few would notice that their children or grandchildren were not wholly white.
     
    http://www.abc.net.au/rightwrongs/assets/media/2017/03/colour-coding-thumb.jpg

    Replies: @Kratoklastes

    I wonder if the dilution happens as rapidly when the father’s the aboriginal?

    When I was a kiddie and we first cane to Straya, I was a white-looking quadroon (25% Maori) in the middle of the Northern Territory. I never experienced any racism from anyone, but the two sides gave each other a hell of a time at Tennant Creek Area School.

    The blackfella kids at my school claimed that the yellafella (mixed-race aboriginal kids) with blackfella dads were still ‘proper’ members of the community, but those with whitefella dads weren’t. They also reckoned they could tell the difference in a ‘blow-in’ (non-local).

    There was a pejorative for a bloke who would sleep with an aboriginal woman : gin-jockey (aboriginal women were called ‘gins‘ by whites, and ‘lubra‘ by their own people).

    So weird that I still use slang from that time, and it’s mostly abo slang (like gammin’ to mean joking).

    Anyway… given that my Maori taint comes from my Mum’s side, and Mum’s Mum was a Finn-Dane cross (and mad as a cut snake)… and Dad’s a huge white blue-eyed European ‘bitzer’, it’s not terribly surprising that we all look like him (but with hazel eyes).

    Two of my siblings are significantly darker (basically they always look tanned, is all) and have darker brown eyes.

    What we all did get, though, was the Maori “laconic until very-abruptly very non-laconic” temperament. It’s like igniting thermite, and no amount of cognitive ‘brute force’ can stop it. It would come in handy if it could be switched on deliberately, but in half a century I’ve never worked out how; thankfully Nana’s berserker craziness is more accessible (but has a different quality).

  52. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    But Cloward-Piven didn't work. "Increasing the contradictions" didn't really bring about the downfall of capitalism, it just brought us more social welfare state. The same thing here - more of this ridiculousness is not likely to bring about the Revolution - we'll probably just muddle thru with increased levels of ridiculousness. There's a lot of ruin in a nation so the idea that you are going to change things by adding to the ruin or failing to resist it so that it all breaks down faster rarely works - it's like trying to bring about a flood by peeing in the ocean.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

    But Cloward-Piven didn’t work. “Increasing the contradictions” didn’t really bring about the downfall of capitalism, it just brought us more social welfare state.

  53. @Hail
    Having seen the occasional few episodes of this debate show, The Drum, from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, an observation:

    It seems to be a show that consciously and by design encourages anti-white diatribes. Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    The Drum's "modus operandi" is to bring on an obscure guest, often but not necessarily an 'ethnic' one, who is the attack figure on the show. This attack figure bashes whites, or men, or non-immigrants, conservatives, Christians, or all those at once, for one reason or another. The rest of the panel are as the "straight man" in comedy routines, nodding along; there is usually one guy on as some kind of decoy opposition but he doesn't have a chance, and plays by their rules.

    That is The Drum.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Lurker, @Tusk

    That certainly sounds exactly like any number (all?) of the debate shows on British TV.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Lurker

    Sounds like America.

  54. I’m shocked…. 1/1,024th is good enough for Warren to claim her heritage as faux-ahontis.

    How dare anyone try to have a higher bar in Austrialia?

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  55. Hi Steve, slightly off topic but you may find it interesting: Microsoft Diversity and Inclusion report, just released yesterday.

    In the U.S. women earn $1.001 for every $1.000 earned by their counterparts who are men, and racial and ethnic minorities earn $1.006 for every $1.000 earned by their white counterparts.

    https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2019/11/12/the-microsoft-diversity-and-inclusion-report-reveals-momentum-and-learnings-for-the-future/

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Chet Bradley

    Interesting. These figures sure makes them look good. But I see over at the link that this figure only includes 80% of their workforce: the US and top 5 overseas markets. Why didn't they report based on 100% of their employees, I am sure they have the figures. It also doesn't include any of the other companies they own, just Microsoft.

    Another thing to think about is that they use a lot of contractors. Who knows what their figures are? I assume they are paying them less and if they're using a lot of Indians and Chinese that the number of other people being used is low. For their contractors a measure of "inclusion" would be how many white men they are using, as well as women and racial minorities.

    The total number of people who work full time at Microsoft and its other companies wouldn't match these figures, I am sure, for pay or inclusion.

    , @SaneClownPosse
    @Chet Bradley

    Looks like equal pay is working out better for some groups than others.

    I know, it will take about hundred years for the non whites and the non males to catch up to the accumulated compounding of white male privilege.

  56. Flight from White continues. If we end the power of being a POC in liberal society, everyone would be white again…. Tulsi is white, Kamala is white, etc.

    The term “person of color” is such a fraud.

  57. @prosa123
    For all the flaws of the One Drop Rule in the US, there are almost no similar cases here. Just about everyone who identifies as black has at least some degree of black physical appearance. In certain cases it's a minimal degree, for example Shaun King, but it's there to see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Jack D, @Jon

    Yeah, but everyone and a presidential candidate think they’re part Cherokee. The Aborigines are more analogous to our Native Americans than American Blacks.

  58. @Jack D
    @Desiderius

    But Cloward-Piven didn't work. "Increasing the contradictions" didn't really bring about the downfall of capitalism, it just brought us more social welfare state. The same thing here - more of this ridiculousness is not likely to bring about the Revolution - we'll probably just muddle thru with increased levels of ridiculousness. There's a lot of ruin in a nation so the idea that you are going to change things by adding to the ruin or failing to resist it so that it all breaks down faster rarely works - it's like trying to bring about a flood by peeing in the ocean.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Desiderius

    I fail to see how increasing the number of people who recognize the ridiculousness of Affirmative Action is ruinous to the American nation. Isn’t that what Steve is trying to accomplish?

  59. @prosa123
    For all the flaws of the One Drop Rule in the US, there are almost no similar cases here. Just about everyone who identifies as black has at least some degree of black physical appearance. In certain cases it's a minimal degree, for example Shaun King, but it's there to see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Jack D, @Jon

    I think this has more to do with biology than culture. For some reason, white- aboriginal crosses seem to favor the white, but white-black crosses tend to favor the black. Someone who is is 1/8th black sometimes bears visible (if somewhat subtle) hints of their black heritage, like Shaun King, but someone who is 1/8 Aboriginal almost always looks like Amy where you can’t see any hint of it even if you know it’s there and are looking for it. As Desiderius says, it’s more like Amerindians – someone 1/8 Amerindian usually looks fully “white”.

    Also the fact that (unlike Americans) most Australians are of British ancestry and are often blond and blue eyed tends to lead to more rapid disappearance of aboriginal traits than say a southern Italian – African cross leads to disappearance of black traits. You’ll notice that Any has blue eyes but brown hair – it wouldn’t surprise me if her relatives on her white side were blond. So you end up looking European but not as blond as your white relatives.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jack D

    Some of this is due to simple dominant vs. recessive. African traits, being ancient and long-established ones among the human species, are dominant traits, while traits from populations outside of Africa tend to be recessive. The latter were likely traits retained by what were originally small, isolated tribes that split off and migrated away from larger masses, whereas traits inside Africa are so old that they've spread over almost all of Africa and weeded out most of the recessive traits.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @syonredux
    @Jack D

    Cherokee chief Bill John Baker


    http://nativenewsonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Principal-Chief-Bill-John-Baker.jpg

    Chief John Ross


    https://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-nativeamerican/JohnRossOlder.jpg

    Nimrod Jarrett Smith, Cherokee who fought for the Confederacy


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eQ9Ab-2e3ZE/TkJLU_eq8AI/AAAAAAAAANY/CyMVR38rS7M/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Nimrodsmith.jpg

    Julie Reed, a Cherokee professor....


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51IXk3+wk8L._SY600_.jpg

    , @Anon55uu
    @Jack D

    Steelers great Franco Harris is african-italian and he looks pretty italian to me.

    Replies: @Jack D

  60. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    People need to cut off special privileges for abos of any sort, whether Aussie or Indian, and just say to them, “We’ve given you a modern society, which is more than anyone ever gave you before and more than your own people could ever create,’ now deal with it. Your real problem is that you want all the goodies that Western Civilization has to offer, but you also don’t want to work so you can get drunk or stoned and lie around all day, so now you’re hoping that if you do enough bitching and whining about oppression, dumb and naive whites will just hand the goodies to you for nothing.”

    The sooner retarded liberals wise up and figure this out, the better off everyone will be.

  61. There is a major charity supported by big business dedicated to sending aboriginal students to expensive boarding schools.

    http://www.aief.com.au/about/

  62. Anon[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I think this has more to do with biology than culture. For some reason, white- aboriginal crosses seem to favor the white, but white-black crosses tend to favor the black. Someone who is is 1/8th black sometimes bears visible (if somewhat subtle) hints of their black heritage, like Shaun King, but someone who is 1/8 Aboriginal almost always looks like Amy where you can't see any hint of it even if you know it's there and are looking for it. As Desiderius says, it's more like Amerindians - someone 1/8 Amerindian usually looks fully "white".

    Also the fact that (unlike Americans) most Australians are of British ancestry and are often blond and blue eyed tends to lead to more rapid disappearance of aboriginal traits than say a southern Italian - African cross leads to disappearance of black traits. You'll notice that Any has blue eyes but brown hair - it wouldn't surprise me if her relatives on her white side were blond. So you end up looking European but not as blond as your white relatives.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @Anon55uu

    Some of this is due to simple dominant vs. recessive. African traits, being ancient and long-established ones among the human species, are dominant traits, while traits from populations outside of Africa tend to be recessive. The latter were likely traits retained by what were originally small, isolated tribes that split off and migrated away from larger masses, whereas traits inside Africa are so old that they’ve spread over almost all of Africa and weeded out most of the recessive traits.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    Some of this is due to simple dominant vs. recessive. African traits, being ancient and long-established ones among the human species, are dominant traits, while traits from populations outside of Africa tend to be recessive. The latter were likely traits retained by what were originally small, isolated tribes that split off and migrated away from larger masses, whereas traits inside Africa are so old that they’ve spread over almost all of Africa and weeded out most of the recessive traits.
     
    It's a bunch of protein encoding. It's not historically conscious.

    No, i think these things are mostly just that particular features work particular ways. And those results are preceived in turn by various groups based on what is normal for them--what they are used to seeing.

    A few things i can think of:

    -- There are a few of the caucasian skin lightening genes--ex. SLC24A5, SLC45A2--that do a lot of the heavy lifting, so it is easy to move skin tone quite a bit in one mating.

    -- The European or "white" feature set take as a whole--like someplace in America or Australia is pretty broad so it's easy to fall within it and look like "some kind of white with ancestry from somewhere".

    (I think this gal--Amy Thunig--is like that. She's got some Abo ancestry, and has a bit of the look around the edges, but she's well within the norm of what some Europeans look like.
    For a real Abo she just looks like a white girl.)

    -- But a couple of the West African features--nose, lips and hair--are reasonable distinct from what most Europeans have, so any strong hint of them makes someone "look black" from the white perspective.

    In America where we people with visible mixed ancestry were considered black and the historic black population is very mixed, makes "black" very dominant. (This is the sense in which race is "socially constructed.")

    Note, that the preception could be very different in places--i.e. Africa--where the black population is basically unmixed. There a big dose of skin lightening and a 50-50 mix would likely screan "mixed" to the locals, not "black".
  63. @Jack D
    @kaganovitch

    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal's problem is that she went a step too far - she didn't even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% "socially construct" your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.

    It's just the old one drop rule (modern Leftism is just the old Jim Crow system in flipped on its head - it's like the old joke - "Under capitalism, man oppresses man. But under Communism, it's the other way around."). One drop of black blood can make you black, but Dolezal's problem was that she didn't even have that one drop.

    Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter, @Jim bob Lassiter, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @AnotherDad

    It would be nice if conservatives/whites would insist on some sort of explicit test for people to claim membership/AA benefits in a particular group. 50% +/- say 5% would be reasonable. Very easy to defend say “at least 25%”. This would have had very positive integrative/majoritarian benefits. “Hey you are not a minority anymore shut up and get on with life.”

    But unfortunately the whole “no such thing”, “socially constructed” thing is working for the balkanizers here. Even though there is some solid PR mileage to be had, it would be a battle to recover ground and make that sort of thing stick now.

  64. Who is this Judge Bromberg?
    Where do they live?
    Spouse, Kids? Schools?
    Who appointed them?

    The people should be doxxed.

    Persecuted.

    Made responsible.

  65. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I think this has more to do with biology than culture. For some reason, white- aboriginal crosses seem to favor the white, but white-black crosses tend to favor the black. Someone who is is 1/8th black sometimes bears visible (if somewhat subtle) hints of their black heritage, like Shaun King, but someone who is 1/8 Aboriginal almost always looks like Amy where you can't see any hint of it even if you know it's there and are looking for it. As Desiderius says, it's more like Amerindians - someone 1/8 Amerindian usually looks fully "white".

    Also the fact that (unlike Americans) most Australians are of British ancestry and are often blond and blue eyed tends to lead to more rapid disappearance of aboriginal traits than say a southern Italian - African cross leads to disappearance of black traits. You'll notice that Any has blue eyes but brown hair - it wouldn't surprise me if her relatives on her white side were blond. So you end up looking European but not as blond as your white relatives.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @Anon55uu

    Cherokee chief Bill John Baker

    Chief John Ross

    Nimrod Jarrett Smith, Cherokee who fought for the Confederacy

    Julie Reed, a Cherokee professor….

  66. @Ray Huffman
    We've seen this here in the U.S.

    Introducing the Mohegan tribal council, with Chief Five Cards and Princess Red Die:

    http://www.indianz.com/News/2015/08/20/mohegantribe.jpg

    Replies: @prosa123, @G. Poulin, @Lot

    Some of them look not completely white.

    • Replies: @Ray Huffman
    @prosa123

    Those ones are white people with tans, dude.

    , @Jon
    @prosa123


    Some of them look not completely white.

     

    If by "some" you mean the one guy sitting in the lower left, I agree. Everyone else could easily get lost in a crowd of whites and no one would think they were anything but European in ancestry.

    Replies: @prosa123

  67. @Bardon Kaldian
    I know they're recessives & all that.... But, who in his (or her) right mind would even consider the idea of having sex with these people who are probably the ugliest humans who ever existed (with possible exception of Tasmanians)?

    I understand perversion, but this is too much, those Anglo-Celtic pervy freaks rutting with those humanoids....

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AndrewR

    “who in his (or her) right mind would even consider the idea of having sex with these people”

    How about a lot of sex-starved convicts?

    “God bless our wives and families,
    Likewise that happy shore,
    That isle of sweet contentment
    Which we shall see no more;
    As for the wretched females,
    See them we seldom can,
    There are fourteen men to every woman
    In Van Diemen’s Land.”

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Difficult times. Someone said on snake oil peddlers they would screw a rattlesnake if only someone would hold her head.

  68. @Anon
    @Jack D

    Some of this is due to simple dominant vs. recessive. African traits, being ancient and long-established ones among the human species, are dominant traits, while traits from populations outside of Africa tend to be recessive. The latter were likely traits retained by what were originally small, isolated tribes that split off and migrated away from larger masses, whereas traits inside Africa are so old that they've spread over almost all of Africa and weeded out most of the recessive traits.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Some of this is due to simple dominant vs. recessive. African traits, being ancient and long-established ones among the human species, are dominant traits, while traits from populations outside of Africa tend to be recessive. The latter were likely traits retained by what were originally small, isolated tribes that split off and migrated away from larger masses, whereas traits inside Africa are so old that they’ve spread over almost all of Africa and weeded out most of the recessive traits.

    It’s a bunch of protein encoding. It’s not historically conscious.

    No, i think these things are mostly just that particular features work particular ways. And those results are preceived in turn by various groups based on what is normal for them–what they are used to seeing.

    A few things i can think of:

    — There are a few of the caucasian skin lightening genes–ex. SLC24A5, SLC45A2–that do a lot of the heavy lifting, so it is easy to move skin tone quite a bit in one mating.

    — The European or “white” feature set take as a whole–like someplace in America or Australia is pretty broad so it’s easy to fall within it and look like “some kind of white with ancestry from somewhere”.

    (I think this gal–Amy Thunig–is like that. She’s got some Abo ancestry, and has a bit of the look around the edges, but she’s well within the norm of what some Europeans look like.
    For a real Abo she just looks like a white girl.)

    — But a couple of the West African features–nose, lips and hair–are reasonable distinct from what most Europeans have, so any strong hint of them makes someone “look black” from the white perspective.

    In America where we people with visible mixed ancestry were considered black and the historic black population is very mixed, makes “black” very dominant. (This is the sense in which race is “socially constructed.”)

    Note, that the preception could be very different in places–i.e. Africa–where the black population is basically unmixed. There a big dose of skin lightening and a 50-50 mix would likely screan “mixed” to the locals, not “black”.

  69. Amy Thunig’s personal website is priceless: https://indigenousx.com.au/indigenous-academic-women-because-of-her-we-can/

    Peep the picture of “three generations of Aborignal women” about halfway down the page. They wouldn’t have drawn a second look in my hometown in Virginia, much less been mistaken for an aborigine.

    She aight, though.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Daniel Williams

    I think it's really no different than American Indians. In particular, American Indians in the Northeast in pre-casino days. There were, up in the hills of Connecticut, some "Indian" reservations. These "Indians" had been mixing with white (and sometimes black) people for 400 years so they were a highly mixed group - in fact many of them looked a lot like Amy's family. Probably some of them were down to zero Indian blood or maybe as much as Liz Warren has. BUT, they lived in a (degraded) "Indian" environment, filled with alcoholism and poverty so the fact that they were 15/16 white didn't really help them. They, and the rest of society, thought of themselves as "Indian" so long as they remained on the reservation. A lot of them moved away and disappeared into American society but a few stayed. By the time the casino developers came around, some of the "tribes" were down to a handful. Of course, once the jackpot hit, the numbers came back up. Whatever society rewards you get more of. In other times, Amy would have moved to the big city and denied that she so much as knew any abos, but now it pays to BE one.

  70. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bugg
    "21 Indigenous deaths at the hands of police" as if that happens in a vacuum, or cops go on their shift every afternoon looking to hunt poor innocent unfortunates. No context at all; the vast overwhelming majority of people killed by police were shot by responding police officers because of their own criminal actions. And had any of them stopped for a second and simply complied with police instructions, they would still be alive. Fully expect though the cop haters have the communion and graduation photos of these criminals at the ready, as they do here. Dindonuffins is now a world wide phenomenon.

    Replies: @anon, @Redneck farmer

    “21 Indigenous deaths at the hands of police”

    Most of these are drunken, diseased Abos who die in Police lockups with no help from the cops.
    Except in Western Australia.
    They get plenty of help there.
    One poor bastard in Perth was tasered 41 times in a week.
    Although others say you haven’t seen Abos till you’ve been to W.A..

  71. @Hypnotoad666
    Amy Thunig is some kind of academic. She has article on-line called "Ten questions I get asked by non-aboriginal people."

    As to how aboriginal she is, the answer is basically: "FU for asking." It turns out percentages are a social construct. So I'm putting my money on 0%.

    3. How much Aboriginal are you? What part of you is Aboriginal?

    ‘My green eyes…my hair when I don’t straighten it… and my height (I am over 6ft)’ is a joke response I tend to give, as I am aware that this question stems from the students trying to understand my Indigeneity when I have light skin and freckles.

    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world. ‘
     

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @Jack D, @Daniel Williams

    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world.

    I.e., “so don’t you dare suggest that I should only get, say, 1/64th the goodies that a full-blooded, abo-looking abo should get!”

    This chick needs her kangaroo tied down, sports.

  72. @Ray Huffman
    We've seen this here in the U.S.

    Introducing the Mohegan tribal council, with Chief Five Cards and Princess Red Die:

    http://www.indianz.com/News/2015/08/20/mohegantribe.jpg

    Replies: @prosa123, @G. Poulin, @Lot

    I like the string ties, but gee … not a feather in sight.

  73. @prosa123
    @Ray Huffman

    Some of them look not completely white.

    Replies: @Ray Huffman, @Jon

    Those ones are white people with tans, dude.

  74. @Jack D
    @prosa123

    I think this has more to do with biology than culture. For some reason, white- aboriginal crosses seem to favor the white, but white-black crosses tend to favor the black. Someone who is is 1/8th black sometimes bears visible (if somewhat subtle) hints of their black heritage, like Shaun King, but someone who is 1/8 Aboriginal almost always looks like Amy where you can't see any hint of it even if you know it's there and are looking for it. As Desiderius says, it's more like Amerindians - someone 1/8 Amerindian usually looks fully "white".

    Also the fact that (unlike Americans) most Australians are of British ancestry and are often blond and blue eyed tends to lead to more rapid disappearance of aboriginal traits than say a southern Italian - African cross leads to disappearance of black traits. You'll notice that Any has blue eyes but brown hair - it wouldn't surprise me if her relatives on her white side were blond. So you end up looking European but not as blond as your white relatives.

    Replies: @Anon, @syonredux, @Anon55uu

    Steelers great Franco Harris is african-italian and he looks pretty italian to me.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Anon55uu

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61xkNilW1ML._AC_SY445_.jpg

    LOL

  75. There are a ton of establishmentarian trolls on 4chan who defeat their own purpose by self-announcing with board-perpendicular language and habits, but here’s a bizarrely gratuitous example which kills faith in the younger generation.
    An anon flat-out calling for censorship with frequent Redditspacing posted:
    Here’s reality: if you don’t want something, you simply forbid it.
    Why do I suddenly feel like I understand something of this fellow’s employment history?

  76. OT & the banging of Feynman!!

    Elizabeth Landau writes in Quanta Magazine: Virginia Trimble Has Seen the Stars

    Stardom was part of Trimble’s early years, and not just because she attended Hollywood High School. In 1962, while still an undergraduate at the University of California, Los Angeles, she achieved her first small measure of fame when Life magazine published an article about her titled “Behind a Lovely Face, a 180 I.Q.” Then in 1963, she became Miss Twilight Zone, the face of a publicity campaign to promote the popular sci-fi show with Rod Serling.

    That’s her in a blogpost by Martin Grams:

    Nineteen-year-old Virginia Trimble, a UCLA astrophysics major, was selected to play the lead. I tracked her down and asked her to share her memories of what it was like being Princess Twilight. “Rogers & Cowan asked the UCLA dean of students (or some such) to find a possible person,” Trimble recalled. “The then head of student counseling thought of me because of the Life Magazine article the previous year – so she knew I photographed reasonably well, and because I was part of the gifted students’ program I could probably be trusted not to say anything terribly stupid that would embarrass UCLA. The one thing I remember doing badly was an attempt to defend the folks who were fighting to keep their own homes in Vietnam against U.S. invaders.”


    Anyway back to Quanta where another blogpost (Tough 60s chick disappoints woke young interviewer) highlights some exchanges of interest:

    Q. So you get to Caltech, and you’re the only woman —

    A. I wasn’t. There was this tiny little cluster of seven of us that went through all at the same time …

    She was so gorgeous (see her picture in the article) that Feynman asked her to be a model as (presumably) he was learning to draw, paying her $5.50 an hour.

    The interviewer couldn’t contain herself

    Q. When you spoke to him, did he treat you collegially?

    Trimble, never one to pussyfoot around, responds.

    A. The obvious question, did we make love? As it happens, no, but not a big deal. It might just as well have been yes, and we would still have been good friends.

    The intrepid interviewer persists.

    Q: I want to talk about sexual harassment in academia.

    I don’t particularly care for the word harassment.

    Let’s go with “hanky-panky,” OK?

    Q: Sure.

    When I was young and beautiful, I engaged in a great deal of hanky-panky. I could never see anything very wrong with it. You may claim that if a very distinguished senior scientist engages in hanky-panky with a much younger scientist — never mind which gender, and make it a conductor and a violinist if you wish, instead of senior and junior scientists — if that results in real injustice to people not involved in the hanky-panky, then, yeah, you have to have a rule against it. But I’m not so sure that that happens very often.

    Clearly not the sort of thing the interviewer expected. She persists and gamely frames a question so she can get the answer she wants

    Q: I just want to clarify, when someone in power makes someone who is subordinate feel that they have to engage in sexual activities for the sake of their job or the sake of their academic career, that is what angers so many people right now.

    Trimble is having none of it

    A: The step in that syllogism where I part company is the younger — or whatever — person feeling they “have to,” and let me say again that a young attractive female has a lot of power, where older, less attractive men are concerned.

    Defeated, the interviewer changes the subject.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @El Dato

    El Dato:

    Virginia Trimble had quite a well earned reputation for bedding down quite a few more senior members of the astronomical community. I can vouch for her promiscuity, unfortunately not through personal experience. I hope that her marriage to Joseph Weber was more successful than his quixotic detection of gravitational waves.

  77. This all is nice & funny, but- there are, now, 5% Chinese in Australia. And they are not going anyway. And they will remain a society apart. And China is not too far away. And white Australians are … relaxed. Not too much vexed…

    And how many Indians are there? Indonesians? Various Muslims?

    And how do you intend to keep Australia a functioning country without white Australia policy?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Bardon Kaldian


    This all is nice & funny, but- there are, now, 5% Chinese in Australia. And they are not going anyway. And they will remain a society apart. And China is not too far away. And white Australians are … relaxed. Not too much vexed…
     
    There's been a lot of anti-Chinese hysteria in the media in recent times. And there's a lot of silly misguided support for the US-funded Hong Kong protesters.

    And how do you intend to keep Australia a functioning country without white Australia policy?
     
    We have some major problems but we're more of a functional society than the US or the western European countries. Chinese people tend to be pretty good at doing the functional society thing.

    In practice we're a lot less totalitarian than Britain for example. But then China today is a lot less totalitarian than Britain.

    Our biggest problem is our grovelling relationship with the United States, and our importation of trash American culture.
  78. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:

    Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith and contained factual errors.

    That’s probably right.
    Imagine Sean Hannity making an issue of people with tiny amounts of Native American ancestry lining up for Federal Grants based on that ancestry.
    How is that news, and who cares anyway?

    He then gets prosecuted under a Law he’s well aware of, puts up a puny defence, and doesn’t appeal the verdict.
    Plus, the article was published by Bolt’s employer, the Melbourne Herald Sun, owner Murdoch, yet he wasn’t supported at all by the dominant Murdoch Press in Australia.

    For mine, it just didn’t stack up as legit.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    He then gets prosecuted under a Law he’s well aware of, puts up a puny defence, and doesn’t appeal the verdict.
    Plus, the article was published by Bolt’s employer, the Melbourne Herald Sun, owner Murdoch, yet he wasn’t supported at all by the dominant Murdoch Press in Australia.
     
    It got him a lot of publicity. I suspect he was hoping to be prosecuted.

    Bolt is too much of a neoliberal for my tastes, with some definite neocon leanings.

    Replies: @sb

  79. Are there Abo urban neighborhoods that are akin to American black ghettos? Would Amy Thunig walk alone through one?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Peterike

    A few streets in South Brisbane, Spring Hill, and The Valley were like that up to 40 years ago, then the Queensland Government moved most of them to the outer southern suburbs and the gentrifying began.
    You're only talking about a few hundred people.
    Most Abos live in rural towns.
    Stanthorpe has about 15,000 people spread over a lot of small villages, and I never saw one Abo in the 5 years I lived there.

    , @Morton's toes
    @Peterike

    Now see the question that interests me is does she eat bugs. Because when I see them on the Nature Channel and whatnot they always have video of them eating bugs. And worms. Raw!

    Anyway I'm sure her boyfriend/husband looks better than at least half of us.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  80. @prosa123
    For all the flaws of the One Drop Rule in the US, there are almost no similar cases here. Just about everyone who identifies as black has at least some degree of black physical appearance. In certain cases it's a minimal degree, for example Shaun King, but it's there to see.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Jack D, @Jon

    In certain cases it’s a minimal degree, for example Shaun King, but it’s there to see.

    Does Shaun King actually have black ancestry? I thought he was the male Rachel Dolezal. I remember seeing pictures floating around of his white parents and of a police record that listed him as white.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Jon

    In every photo and video of King I've seen there is some visible black ancestry. Not much, but it's there.

    Replies: @jon, @Clyde

  81. @prosa123
    @Ray Huffman

    Some of them look not completely white.

    Replies: @Ray Huffman, @Jon

    Some of them look not completely white.

    If by “some” you mean the one guy sitting in the lower left, I agree. Everyone else could easily get lost in a crowd of whites and no one would think they were anything but European in ancestry.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Jon

    How I'd identify them if I didn't know otherwise:

    Standing, left to right - white, nonwhite, probably white, probably nonwhite, white.
    Sitting, left to right - nonwhite, white, white, probably white.

    So two definitely nonwhite, one probably nonwhite, two probably white, four definitely white.

    Oh, and they're all filthy rich, courtesy of the enormous Mohegan Sun gambling casino.

  82. @Hannah Katz
    Have there been IQ studies on these 1/2, 1/4 and 1/8 Aborigine people? Seems like the full blooded ones are really low, like in the 60s. Curious is they rise to the 80s, 90s, etc. as they gain more and more European genes. Or is this allowed to be noticed? I recall an article about a record number of Aborigines in a medical school class, and they all looked like a V Dare conference group.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    It’s ironic that the whiter ones are the spokesmen BECAUSE they are whiter. Full-blooded aborigines have low verbal IQ. This is not to demean them, since they have higher visual skills than whites:

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00049538608259009

  83. The article and comments all demonstrate the insanity of collectivist thinking. The “racial category” becomes the major determinant. not the performance/behavior of the individual involved.

    So “race” becomes in and of itself an asset. The the Bad Old Days “race” was a liability (if nonwhite, often). But race is rarely pure given genetics and human behavior.

    Same with “ethnic” collectivism. What is “Hispanic” much less the modern atrocity “latinx.” That can’t even be pronounced.

    Rather than judging humans by what they do, how they behave and act, the collectivist lazy default is to peer at the skin color, hair, eyes, etc. “Is he really Irish?” Etc. Depends on what unearned benefits you get.

    This is all now labeled “progressive” and “woke.” Okay, if you want that, use it when you need a brain surgeon. No cheating!

    • Agree: jim jones
  84. @YetAnotherAnon
    Bolt is quite Sailerish i.e. a reasonable sort but not blind to what's in front of his lyin' eyes. In what used to be "the colonies" that will land you in court now.


    "Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith"

    I see the Aussie courts have windows into men's souls.

    Replies: @Tusk, @SaneClownPosse

    Marty Bromberg (Jewish, not born in Australia and didn’t learn English until later as a kid) is behind some of the most ridiculous court rulings in this country. A family due for deportation, for not having any reason to be granted asylum, was halted as they were in the air back to their country by his court injunction. And then when the injunction ran out a few days later, another injunction was issued, so on and so forth. Despite the government denying their application this foreign judge has ruled their ruling incorrect, because he knows better! It’s the same everywhere in the West, same problems, same causes.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Tusk

    Mordy, not Marty and he came to Australia when he was 8. The fact that English is a 2nd language and he was still able to become a lawyer and a judge is a tribute to his intelligence. There are tons of Hispanics who never learn anything beyond rudimentary English.

    Replies: @Tusk

  85. @Hail
    Having seen the occasional few episodes of this debate show, The Drum, from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, an observation:

    It seems to be a show that consciously and by design encourages anti-white diatribes. Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    The Drum's "modus operandi" is to bring on an obscure guest, often but not necessarily an 'ethnic' one, who is the attack figure on the show. This attack figure bashes whites, or men, or non-immigrants, conservatives, Christians, or all those at once, for one reason or another. The rest of the panel are as the "straight man" in comedy routines, nodding along; there is usually one guy on as some kind of decoy opposition but he doesn't have a chance, and plays by their rules.

    That is The Drum.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Lurker, @Tusk

    Well the head of the ABC, which is nothing but pure agitprop, is Jewish. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

  86. “But that’s not the point, the point is: White Man Bad.”

    Libertarians would say “But that’s not the point, the point is: Government Bad.” Although the Libertarian refrain, homeschool, does not seem a real option for them either.

  87. @Chet Bradley
    Hi Steve, slightly off topic but you may find it interesting: Microsoft Diversity and Inclusion report, just released yesterday.

    In the U.S. women earn $1.001 for every $1.000 earned by their counterparts who are men, and racial and ethnic minorities earn $1.006 for every $1.000 earned by their white counterparts.
     
    https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2019/11/12/the-microsoft-diversity-and-inclusion-report-reveals-momentum-and-learnings-for-the-future/

    Replies: @notsaying, @SaneClownPosse

    Interesting. These figures sure makes them look good. But I see over at the link that this figure only includes 80% of their workforce: the US and top 5 overseas markets. Why didn’t they report based on 100% of their employees, I am sure they have the figures. It also doesn’t include any of the other companies they own, just Microsoft.

    Another thing to think about is that they use a lot of contractors. Who knows what their figures are? I assume they are paying them less and if they’re using a lot of Indians and Chinese that the number of other people being used is low. For their contractors a measure of “inclusion” would be how many white men they are using, as well as women and racial minorities.

    The total number of people who work full time at Microsoft and its other companies wouldn’t match these figures, I am sure, for pay or inclusion.

  88. IME there’s a distinct tell for Aboriginal ancestry, which is that while someone’s skin will often be very pale, their lower face/jaw will tend to be large/boxy/jowly.

  89. That explains why that trash who re Iggy Azalea has passed for so long as white. She’s Abo, but thanks to her lighter-skin looks and some thick makeup and blond dye, she’s been pushed as some white slut who’s into rap and black men.

    Weirdly, I figured it out when she did a song with Jennifer Lopez where they both emphasized their butts as attractive—even white sl uts into darkies don’t really do that, unless they are fat, which she was not.

    Then, of all people, Snoop Doggy Dog added to my theory when he mocked Iggy as looking like one of the black Wayans brothers dressed up in whiteface from the movie White Chicks. He was basically outing her as being black underneath a lot of makeup and lighting. Azalea then confirmed it by admitting she has an eye condition only Abos have.

    What is up with Australian female celebrities and the ridiculous lying they do about their background, only to get caught? Rebel Wilson lied about being 10 years younger than she actually was and claiming Rebel was her “real” name, and then Iggy pretending to be a white blond when really she’s a degenerate Abo.

  90. @YetAnotherAnon
    Bolt is quite Sailerish i.e. a reasonable sort but not blind to what's in front of his lyin' eyes. In what used to be "the colonies" that will land you in court now.


    "Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith"

    I see the Aussie courts have windows into men's souls.

    Replies: @Tusk, @SaneClownPosse

    “Federal Court Justice Mordecai Bromberg”. A white anglo saxon protestant, for sure.
    Word weasel.

  91. @Senor Moose
    Justice Mordecai Bromberg, eh?

    Replies: @Hhsiii

    Mordecai “Three Fingers” Bromberg.

  92. @Jon
    @prosa123


    In certain cases it’s a minimal degree, for example Shaun King, but it’s there to see.
     
    Does Shaun King actually have black ancestry? I thought he was the male Rachel Dolezal. I remember seeing pictures floating around of his white parents and of a police record that listed him as white.

    Replies: @prosa123

    In every photo and video of King I’ve seen there is some visible black ancestry. Not much, but it’s there.

    • Replies: @jon
    @prosa123

    Here is that picture I was talking about:
    https://www.informationliberation.com/files/shaun-king-not-black.jpg
    His mom, dad and brother all look completely white, and he looks totally white in his baby and childhood photos. It's only as an adult when he makes an effort that he looks plausibly like he has some black ancestry. I'm sticking with him being a male version of Rachel Dolezal until I see a 23andme report.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hail, @TWS

    , @Clyde
    @prosa123

    Talcum X aka Shaun King the fake black guy, he pulls in lots of money to his race based NGO/whatever org he has, as in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. So why should he quit now? I have seen once where he claimed he was black because his mother had an affair with a black dude. Though both his parents are stone cold whitey.

  93. @Chet Bradley
    Hi Steve, slightly off topic but you may find it interesting: Microsoft Diversity and Inclusion report, just released yesterday.

    In the U.S. women earn $1.001 for every $1.000 earned by their counterparts who are men, and racial and ethnic minorities earn $1.006 for every $1.000 earned by their white counterparts.
     
    https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2019/11/12/the-microsoft-diversity-and-inclusion-report-reveals-momentum-and-learnings-for-the-future/

    Replies: @notsaying, @SaneClownPosse

    Looks like equal pay is working out better for some groups than others.

    I know, it will take about hundred years for the non whites and the non males to catch up to the accumulated compounding of white male privilege.

  94. One reason for this is that Aboriginal genes for looks are famously recessive.

    Yes, there is a famous picture about it. I wonder why, though?

    And too bad the same is not true for African and Asian genes when mixed with Europeans.

    Phillip Noyce directed the 2002 movie Rabbit-Proof Fence about how evil 1920s progressive whites were for sending Aboriginal children to boarding schools. Of course, Noyce, a kind man, was hugely distressed when his adolescent starlet after filming went back to her alcoholic and abusive family, and so he then paid to send her to a … boarding school.

    I saw that movie. I never understood what was so evil about boarding schools. Isn’t the dream of all white kids to be sent to a boarding school, like Harry Potter?

    Compared to Amerindians, Australian Aboriginals got it pretty light.

    Also, the little actress didn’t seem to have a great life after the movie, according to the link below. Maybe you can’t change Aboriginals all that much? Or maybe the film-makers didn’t help enough.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/18/rabbit-proof-fence-everlyn-sampi

    Finally, couldn’t the English find a better name than “Aboriginal”?

  95. @Anon55uu
    @Jack D

    Steelers great Franco Harris is african-italian and he looks pretty italian to me.

    Replies: @Jack D

    LOL

  96. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal’s problem is that she went a step too far – she didn’t even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% “socially construct” your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.
     
    I disagree, Jack. There is a world of difference in terms of social import between claiming Native ancestry and black American ancestry. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but probably because lots of prominent Caucasian Americans have claimed vestigial Native ancestry (Johnny Cash and Bill Clinton both claiming to be Cherokee) such a claim even if specious isn't considered outlandish. It's just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    There really isn't a history of people sincerely pretending to be black until recently. One supposes that to do so would have resulted in a reduction in social status that isn't the case with a claim of Native ancestry. Dolezal's behavior was unusual in that she was making a ridiculous claim given her life history, and adding cosmetic enhancements to "pass." I think most reasonable people don't see what she's done as cunning, but probably the product of some sort of psychological disturbance.

    What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is that she took a common family legend of dubious origin and embellished it with patently false statements of fact (she has claimed in the past that her mother was so obviously Native American by appearance that her parents had to elope due to the disapproval of her paternal grandparents), and leveraged it for personal and professional gain at the expense of real Indians. It went from a largely harmless Southern folk practice to a calibrated swindle of the misplaced sympathy of Americans by an ambitious sociopath. (cf. Warren's claim that her paternal grandparents rejected her mother to the infinitesimal degree of Amerindian ancestry that her self-serving "test" revealed and tell me that she didn't construct elaborate false narratives in service of her assumed identity).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @nsa, @Hail

    It’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    Lying is not cool even when it’s done for a good cause.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jack D

    Lying is not cool even when it’s done for a good cause.

    Wow. Clip 'n save quote for sure.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    The legitimately don’t know any better. They want an explanation for why their family is dark complected and they only have English or Scottish ancestry. What they don’t get is that climate can change an ethnic group’s appearance in a relatively short period of time: 200 years ago fair-skinned blondish/reddish poor southern settlers were probably more likely to succumb to heat stroke, melanoma, and other maladies than their darker comrades. Similar thing with the Afrikaners, who are much tanner/more brunette than the Dutch, although they have a bit of black blood too from what I understand.

    Replies: @orionyx

    , @utu
    @Jack D

    "Lying is not cool even when it’s done for a good cause. " - Event when it is a Jewish cause?

    , @Pheasant
    @Jack D

    But is it good for the Jews?

  97. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal’s problem is that she went a step too far – she didn’t even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% “socially construct” your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.
     
    I disagree, Jack. There is a world of difference in terms of social import between claiming Native ancestry and black American ancestry. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but probably because lots of prominent Caucasian Americans have claimed vestigial Native ancestry (Johnny Cash and Bill Clinton both claiming to be Cherokee) such a claim even if specious isn't considered outlandish. It's just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    There really isn't a history of people sincerely pretending to be black until recently. One supposes that to do so would have resulted in a reduction in social status that isn't the case with a claim of Native ancestry. Dolezal's behavior was unusual in that she was making a ridiculous claim given her life history, and adding cosmetic enhancements to "pass." I think most reasonable people don't see what she's done as cunning, but probably the product of some sort of psychological disturbance.

    What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is that she took a common family legend of dubious origin and embellished it with patently false statements of fact (she has claimed in the past that her mother was so obviously Native American by appearance that her parents had to elope due to the disapproval of her paternal grandparents), and leveraged it for personal and professional gain at the expense of real Indians. It went from a largely harmless Southern folk practice to a calibrated swindle of the misplaced sympathy of Americans by an ambitious sociopath. (cf. Warren's claim that her paternal grandparents rejected her mother to the infinitesimal degree of Amerindian ancestry that her self-serving "test" revealed and tell me that she didn't construct elaborate false narratives in service of her assumed identity).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @nsa, @Hail

    “What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is…”

    Cash sang a song about Warren and Dolezal, and even you and I. We’re all in this together!

  98. @Tusk
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Marty Bromberg (Jewish, not born in Australia and didn't learn English until later as a kid) is behind some of the most ridiculous court rulings in this country. A family due for deportation, for not having any reason to be granted asylum, was halted as they were in the air back to their country by his court injunction. And then when the injunction ran out a few days later, another injunction was issued, so on and so forth. Despite the government denying their application this foreign judge has ruled their ruling incorrect, because he knows better! It's the same everywhere in the West, same problems, same causes.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Mordy, not Marty and he came to Australia when he was 8. The fact that English is a 2nd language and he was still able to become a lawyer and a judge is a tribute to his intelligence. There are tons of Hispanics who never learn anything beyond rudimentary English.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    @Jack D

    So should I praise Chinese or Indians who come here as children, become judges and then engage in frivolous judgements that erode the hose nation? Intelligent or not, the guy isn't Australian and is engaging in the same behaviour judges in the UK, the US, and so on engage in. Just because he speaks the native language doesn't make him a godsend, that makes him the absolute bare minimum of what an immigrant should be but perceptions are so warped I should be grateful that Jewish immigrants engage in subversive behaviour because hey, at least they aren't speaking other languages! Well guess it doesn't matter because if he had his way he would ensure all the indians and chinese who form enclaves in cities and don't speak English can come and make up for us missing out on diversity.

  99. @Jon
    @prosa123


    Some of them look not completely white.

     

    If by "some" you mean the one guy sitting in the lower left, I agree. Everyone else could easily get lost in a crowd of whites and no one would think they were anything but European in ancestry.

    Replies: @prosa123

    How I’d identify them if I didn’t know otherwise:

    Standing, left to right – white, nonwhite, probably white, probably nonwhite, white.
    Sitting, left to right – nonwhite, white, white, probably white.

    So two definitely nonwhite, one probably nonwhite, two probably white, four definitely white.

    Oh, and they’re all filthy rich, courtesy of the enormous Mohegan Sun gambling casino.

  100. @Jim bob Lassiter
    @Jack D

    Maybe Rachel was confused about blood and semen.

    Replies: @Sam Malone

    lol

  101. @Ray Huffman
    We've seen this here in the U.S.

    Introducing the Mohegan tribal council, with Chief Five Cards and Princess Red Die:

    http://www.indianz.com/News/2015/08/20/mohegantribe.jpg

    Replies: @prosa123, @G. Poulin, @Lot

    Trump called out these race faking scammers decades ago. Actual Indian on Pine Ridge living in dire poverty while fake Indians cash in on white guilt:

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Lot

    Part of the problem with reservations is that because there's little mixing socially with outsiders, there's little genetic mixing with outsiders. That means if a reservation is filled with low IQ people, they stay that way for generations, and they have major trouble adjusting to a complicated Western society if they decide to leave.

    , @Clyde
    @Lot



    Trump called out these race faking scammers decades ago
     

     
    The video is on youtube. This was at US House of Representatives hearing about Indian casinos back in the 1993. Trump says "They don't look like Indians to me. In fact they don't look like Indians to Indians"

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/they-dont-look-like-indians-to-me-donald-trump-on-native-american-casinos-in-1993/2016/07/01/20736038-3fd4-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_video.html

    Also on you tube but am not going to look for it
  102. @Jack D
    @Tusk

    Mordy, not Marty and he came to Australia when he was 8. The fact that English is a 2nd language and he was still able to become a lawyer and a judge is a tribute to his intelligence. There are tons of Hispanics who never learn anything beyond rudimentary English.

    Replies: @Tusk

    So should I praise Chinese or Indians who come here as children, become judges and then engage in frivolous judgements that erode the hose nation? Intelligent or not, the guy isn’t Australian and is engaging in the same behaviour judges in the UK, the US, and so on engage in. Just because he speaks the native language doesn’t make him a godsend, that makes him the absolute bare minimum of what an immigrant should be but perceptions are so warped I should be grateful that Jewish immigrants engage in subversive behaviour because hey, at least they aren’t speaking other languages! Well guess it doesn’t matter because if he had his way he would ensure all the indians and chinese who form enclaves in cities and don’t speak English can come and make up for us missing out on diversity.

    • Agree: Peterike, TWS, JMcG
  103. anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peterike
    Are there Abo urban neighborhoods that are akin to American black ghettos? Would Amy Thunig walk alone through one?

    Replies: @anon, @Morton's toes

    A few streets in South Brisbane, Spring Hill, and The Valley were like that up to 40 years ago, then the Queensland Government moved most of them to the outer southern suburbs and the gentrifying began.
    You’re only talking about a few hundred people.
    Most Abos live in rural towns.
    Stanthorpe has about 15,000 people spread over a lot of small villages, and I never saw one Abo in the 5 years I lived there.

  104. @Bugg
    "21 Indigenous deaths at the hands of police" as if that happens in a vacuum, or cops go on their shift every afternoon looking to hunt poor innocent unfortunates. No context at all; the vast overwhelming majority of people killed by police were shot by responding police officers because of their own criminal actions. And had any of them stopped for a second and simply complied with police instructions, they would still be alive. Fully expect though the cop haters have the communion and graduation photos of these criminals at the ready, as they do here. Dindonuffins is now a world wide phenomenon.

    Replies: @anon, @Redneck farmer

    You say crime; abos say traditional values.

  105. O. T.

    This impeachment thing. Like it or not, the U.S. has an outsize influence on the goings on. During the last instalment the rest of the world went to hell. As a foreigner, I pray President Trump is on the ball.

  106. @Peterike
    Are there Abo urban neighborhoods that are akin to American black ghettos? Would Amy Thunig walk alone through one?

    Replies: @anon, @Morton's toes

    Now see the question that interests me is does she eat bugs. Because when I see them on the Nature Channel and whatnot they always have video of them eating bugs. And worms. Raw!

    Anyway I’m sure her boyfriend/husband looks better than at least half of us.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Morton's toes

    'Now see the question that interests me is does she eat bugs. Because when I see them on the Nature Channel and whatnot they always have video of them eating bugs. And worms. Raw!'

    The interviewer should offer her one. Obviously, it would be the end of the interviewer's career, but it would be worth it to see.

  107. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "who in his (or her) right mind would even consider the idea of having sex with these people"

    How about a lot of sex-starved convicts?


    "God bless our wives and families,
    Likewise that happy shore,
    That isle of sweet contentment
    Which we shall see no more;
    As for the wretched females,
    See them we seldom can,
    There are fourteen men to every woman
    In Van Diemen's Land."
     

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Difficult times. Someone said on snake oil peddlers they would screw a rattlesnake if only someone would hold her head.

  108. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    It’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.
     
    Lying is not cool even when it's done for a good cause.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @utu, @Pheasant

    Lying is not cool even when it’s done for a good cause.

    Wow. Clip ‘n save quote for sure.

  109. She’s kinda cute for an Injun. Does she smoke a peace pipe?

  110. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal’s problem is that she went a step too far – she didn’t even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% “socially construct” your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.
     
    I disagree, Jack. There is a world of difference in terms of social import between claiming Native ancestry and black American ancestry. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but probably because lots of prominent Caucasian Americans have claimed vestigial Native ancestry (Johnny Cash and Bill Clinton both claiming to be Cherokee) such a claim even if specious isn't considered outlandish. It's just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    There really isn't a history of people sincerely pretending to be black until recently. One supposes that to do so would have resulted in a reduction in social status that isn't the case with a claim of Native ancestry. Dolezal's behavior was unusual in that she was making a ridiculous claim given her life history, and adding cosmetic enhancements to "pass." I think most reasonable people don't see what she's done as cunning, but probably the product of some sort of psychological disturbance.

    What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is that she took a common family legend of dubious origin and embellished it with patently false statements of fact (she has claimed in the past that her mother was so obviously Native American by appearance that her parents had to elope due to the disapproval of her paternal grandparents), and leveraged it for personal and professional gain at the expense of real Indians. It went from a largely harmless Southern folk practice to a calibrated swindle of the misplaced sympathy of Americans by an ambitious sociopath. (cf. Warren's claim that her paternal grandparents rejected her mother to the infinitesimal degree of Amerindian ancestry that her self-serving "test" revealed and tell me that she didn't construct elaborate false narratives in service of her assumed identity).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @nsa, @Hail

    In the early 1960s, John Griffin took large doses of methoxsalen to turn his skin dark and traveled the Deep South as a “negro”. His observations were detailed in his book, Black Like Me, published in 1961. Griffin’s book and the later joovie raised the ire of both white and black. He received many death threats and for safety moved overseas for a time. The book is an interesting read and a fair assessment of race relations in the south at the time.

  111. ‘… He said the articles would have offended a reasonable member of the Aboriginal community…’

    Seems improbable. To be offended, the Aborigine would have to habitually read. Right there, that makes this putative Aborigine about as likely as a Skiing Tanzanian.

    My Labrador Retriever would probably have been offended by the discussion about putting him down. Would it have been rational to suppress the discussion on the grounds that a reasonable Labrador Retriever would have found it offensive?

  112. @Morton's toes
    @Peterike

    Now see the question that interests me is does she eat bugs. Because when I see them on the Nature Channel and whatnot they always have video of them eating bugs. And worms. Raw!

    Anyway I'm sure her boyfriend/husband looks better than at least half of us.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘Now see the question that interests me is does she eat bugs. Because when I see them on the Nature Channel and whatnot they always have video of them eating bugs. And worms. Raw!’

    The interviewer should offer her one. Obviously, it would be the end of the interviewer’s career, but it would be worth it to see.

  113. @Holden Neil
    Why would anybody pretend to be a person of color for personal gain? It is common knowledge that whiteness confers privileges on people within the social construct

    white peoples must be allies against white supremacy or face the consequences
    M

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AElZ4AVho0w&list=RDQMg8WDNMxPbow&index=1

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    Please.

    That’s a disgusting image. Don’t post such things.

  114. @El Dato
    OT: I fear Open Source is now officially a liberal khazi community ... your code doesn't matter, it's what and who you are and what you believe in that is important.

    After some Trump Hat Bro got kicked out of the Foundation due to a selfie of 3 years ago where he was seen wearing The Hat being detected by a commissar, and Bob Martin's letter to the obviously sinking ship, have there been any developments.

    From Reddit Thread


    Kim Crayton, Community Engineer and Advocate

    Kim is an advocate for diversity, inclusion, and safe spaces in tech. She has years of experience working with learners of all ages, skill level, and abilities and is now using her knowledge to develop technical people, ideas, organizations, and communities.

    She shares her experience and research through many channels include “The Community Engineering Report” podcast (@CommEngReport), “Taming the Wild West: Strategies For Successfully Transitioning Into A Technology Career” workshop, public speaking, and #WeCanDoBetter, and soon with the Node.js community at Node.js Interactive.

     

    https://twitter.com/KimCrayton1/status/1161786950862422016

    Rules of engagement for new followers:

    ~ All whiteness is racist by design

    ~ Which means that it can’t be trusted by default

    ~ You’re not my “ally” & no we’re not on the same side

    ~ This is not a democracy, I don’t care about your opinions

     

    This can only mean that Linux is cultural appropriation and irredeemably racist. NegorContinent will have to use Microsoft Windows then. 🤷

    To survive 20 years of frontal assault by Microsoft and getting called every name up to "Communist", only to end up with a Color Revolution. Oh well.

    No money anymore.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    If the Linux spergs allow this to happen after seeing what happened to the gamers when they were attacked by a bunch of lesbos and trannies, then they deserve it. Tell these people to cut some code or sod off.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jim Don Bob

    If the Linux spergs allow this to happen


    Linus Torvalds is no longer in charge of Linux. In other comment threads at unz.com there are discussions of alternative distros that aren't converged, not yet anyway.

    "Code of Conduct" has so far been the root password to a number of open-source communities. Because it relies on what's "fair", and inner Hajnal-line spergs are trivial to roll over with "fairness".

    One of the best parts: some of the worst CoC manipulators are sperg-trannies.

    Windows is crap and has been crap for a while, OS /X "updates" are crap, primary Linux distros are becoming crap. I wonder what Linux distro the average backbone router is running? It's gonna matter in a few years.

  115. @Daniel Williams
    Amy Thunig’s personal website is priceless: https://indigenousx.com.au/indigenous-academic-women-because-of-her-we-can/

    Peep the picture of “three generations of Aborignal women” about halfway down the page. They wouldn’t have drawn a second look in my hometown in Virginia, much less been mistaken for an aborigine.

    She aight, though.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think it’s really no different than American Indians. In particular, American Indians in the Northeast in pre-casino days. There were, up in the hills of Connecticut, some “Indian” reservations. These “Indians” had been mixing with white (and sometimes black) people for 400 years so they were a highly mixed group – in fact many of them looked a lot like Amy’s family. Probably some of them were down to zero Indian blood or maybe as much as Liz Warren has. BUT, they lived in a (degraded) “Indian” environment, filled with alcoholism and poverty so the fact that they were 15/16 white didn’t really help them. They, and the rest of society, thought of themselves as “Indian” so long as they remained on the reservation. A lot of them moved away and disappeared into American society but a few stayed. By the time the casino developers came around, some of the “tribes” were down to a handful. Of course, once the jackpot hit, the numbers came back up. Whatever society rewards you get more of. In other times, Amy would have moved to the big city and denied that she so much as knew any abos, but now it pays to BE one.

  116. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    It’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.
     
    Lying is not cool even when it's done for a good cause.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @utu, @Pheasant

    The legitimately don’t know any better. They want an explanation for why their family is dark complected and they only have English or Scottish ancestry. What they don’t get is that climate can change an ethnic group’s appearance in a relatively short period of time: 200 years ago fair-skinned blondish/reddish poor southern settlers were probably more likely to succumb to heat stroke, melanoma, and other maladies than their darker comrades. Similar thing with the Afrikaners, who are much tanner/more brunette than the Dutch, although they have a bit of black blood too from what I understand.

    • Replies: @orionyx
    @S. Anonyia

    Afrikaners have absolutely no blood from anywhere except Western Europe. Just ask them.
    Oh wait - here's de Villiers' Genealogy of the old Cape Dutch families, perusing which one can estimate the quantum of native Capoid, Indonesian, Indian and occasionally sub-Saharan African ancestry in the mix to be about 15%.
    You have to be sure to get the unexpurgated de Villiers, of course, not the one published sometime in the 60s when Apartheid was all the rage.

  117. @dfordoom
    @Hail


    Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.
     
    I'm an Australian, and yes that is precisely the purpose of the show. In fact it's the purpose of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as a whole. They are enforcers of political correctness. The ABC has no other purpose.

    If you watch the ABC you'll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children's shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It's absolutely relentless propaganda.

    They're even more hysterical when it comes to LGBT stuff. It's quite terrifying. They're fanatics.

    Replies: @Hail, @Clyde

    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It’s absolutely relentless propaganda.

    Puzzling for those of us who retain the stereotype of a conservative-oriented Australia.

    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.

    In my own limited experience, I can say the other Australian ABC news coverage I’ve seen of late was not as overt as this Drum program, which was nearing very close to looking like a parody that Steve Sailer might come up with.

    My other consumption of Aus. media in recent times has produced only one consistent counter-example to the above that I recall clearly — one consistent topic on which they appear to rally around the flag. That would be attitudes to China/Chinese. (I believe that the number of Chinese in Australia is, per capita, around 10x what ours in the US is.)

    The ABC’s highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.

    It went even as far as this: I caught one segment of the ABC news anchoress saying (i.e., reading teleprompter) that Chinese chauvinist students in Australia had been making hostile racial comments against “whites” (I use quotation marks because she used that word, not a euphemism). Nationalists on one issue? Then back to regularly scheduled “non-to-anti-“nationalism.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    @Hail

    We have a Race Discrimination Commissioner here that is used to browbeat Whites for wrongthink of any controversial situation, who is I believe Chinese, suggested by his name 'Chin Tan'. Despite some worries about Chinese influence both parties are in bed with them and don't care just the same as the GOP that as long as it's legal immigration it is fine.

    For instance see here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/josh-frydenberg-gladys-liu-high-court-challenges-election-result/11675738

    I do believe that something like 35% of the houses in Melbourne and Sydney are owned by foreign Chinese nationals, same with infrastructure and a significant portion of farmland if I'm not mistaken.

    Story on property purchases: https://www.afr.com/property/residential/huang-xiangmo-s-mystery-1-2b-man-20191101-p536em


    Two years ago, Zhang Bo, 32, was living at Wolli Creek with a view of the airport. Now he owns six houses in Sydney's Mosman worth $37 million, but lives in none of them.
     
    The country is becoming increasingly impossible to live in as a native White due to immigration depressing wages and an unacessable housing market. For example in terms of employment:

    A 2017 research paper by Professor McDonald published in the Australian Population Studies Journal examined the impact of immigration on Australia’s employment growth after the Global Financial Crisis (July 2011 to July 2016).

    It found that in the five-year period, employment in Australia increased by 738,800, with immigrants accounting for 613,400 of these jobs.

     

    Report: http://www.australianpopulationstudies.org/index.php/aps/article/view/8

    But despite over 80% of new jobs going to people we import to do them (why would we ever train natives to fulfull demand) this “...indicates that immigration provides major benefits to the Australian economy,”. Perfect! What the Australian Economy needs is to grow for the sake of the government to the benefit of immigrants, and not the native population who should get by on scraps.

    Australia is an inept nation that doesn't have 100 years left in it at this rate. And anything that survives after won't be Australia in the same way Zimbabwe isn't Rhodesia.

    , @anon
    @Hail

    The socialist Labor Party expected to win the May 18 Election easily.
    Instead, they failed to win Seats with increasing Chinese populations.
    The ABC may be giving the Chinese a taste of the Media they can expect if they don't get back on the socialist reservation.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @dfordoom
    @Hail


    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.
     
    Our centre-right party is staunchly neoliberal scum and extremely socially liberal.

    The ABC’s highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.
     
    Australia is the most pathetically loyal and craven of all American allies (apart from the Brits). And our media is fanatically pro-American.

    Replies: @Moses, @J.Ross

  118. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    @El Dato

    If the Linux spergs allow this to happen after seeing what happened to the gamers when they were attacked by a bunch of lesbos and trannies, then they deserve it. Tell these people to cut some code or sod off.

    Replies: @anon

    If the Linux spergs allow this to happen

    Linus Torvalds is no longer in charge of Linux. In other comment threads at unz.com there are discussions of alternative distros that aren’t converged, not yet anyway.

    “Code of Conduct” has so far been the root password to a number of open-source communities. Because it relies on what’s “fair”, and inner Hajnal-line spergs are trivial to roll over with “fairness”.

    One of the best parts: some of the worst CoC manipulators are sperg-trannies.

    Windows is crap and has been crap for a while, OS /X “updates” are crap, primary Linux distros are becoming crap. I wonder what Linux distro the average backbone router is running? It’s gonna matter in a few years.

  119. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, …

    The Centre/Right guy is comfortable with Immigration adding 700,000 people a year to a Country of 25 million, his Treasurer [Josh Frydenberg] described Trump as a ”Dropkick” in 2016, and his predecessor described the possibility of Trump being elected at the time as ”filling [him] with terror and foreboding”.

    OTOH, the Opposition Labor Party is funded by Chinese money and Soros, heavily promoted by the Murdoch Press, and run by people Bernie Sanders would probably be comfortable with.

  120. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Jack D


    Remember Liz Warren tried this exact shtick in America and she IS still on top of the heap. You just need plausible deniability. Dolezal’s problem is that she went a step too far – she didn’t even have a shred of genetic connection to the black community. You are allowed to 99% “socially construct” your race but you are not allowed to 100% construct it.
     
    I disagree, Jack. There is a world of difference in terms of social import between claiming Native ancestry and black American ancestry. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but probably because lots of prominent Caucasian Americans have claimed vestigial Native ancestry (Johnny Cash and Bill Clinton both claiming to be Cherokee) such a claim even if specious isn't considered outlandish. It's just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    There really isn't a history of people sincerely pretending to be black until recently. One supposes that to do so would have resulted in a reduction in social status that isn't the case with a claim of Native ancestry. Dolezal's behavior was unusual in that she was making a ridiculous claim given her life history, and adding cosmetic enhancements to "pass." I think most reasonable people don't see what she's done as cunning, but probably the product of some sort of psychological disturbance.

    What sets Warren apart from Johnny Cash or Bill Clinton is that she took a common family legend of dubious origin and embellished it with patently false statements of fact (she has claimed in the past that her mother was so obviously Native American by appearance that her parents had to elope due to the disapproval of her paternal grandparents), and leveraged it for personal and professional gain at the expense of real Indians. It went from a largely harmless Southern folk practice to a calibrated swindle of the misplaced sympathy of Americans by an ambitious sociopath. (cf. Warren's claim that her paternal grandparents rejected her mother to the infinitesimal degree of Amerindian ancestry that her self-serving "test" revealed and tell me that she didn't construct elaborate false narratives in service of her assumed identity).

    Replies: @Jack D, @Corvinus, @nsa, @Hail

    It [claiming distant Amerind ancestry]’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.

    Going by the 23andMe data, the amount of Amerind ancestry in the population-stock we might label White Southern US is very likely to be under 0.5%, the equivalent to a full-Amerind ancestor eight generations ago. For a person born in the 1940s that would be a full-ancestor-equivalent born about the first half of the 18th century, long past the point of any kind of meaningful cultural transmission.

    In simple language, most are wrong about having any kind of recent Amerindian ancestry. What I wonder is: Do we have any studies tracing when/where these claims of partial Amerind ancestry begin to emerge?

  121. @Hail
    @dfordoom


    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It’s absolutely relentless propaganda.
     
    Puzzling for those of us who retain the stereotype of a conservative-oriented Australia.

    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.

    In my own limited experience, I can say the other Australian ABC news coverage I've seen of late was not as overt as this Drum program, which was nearing very close to looking like a parody that Steve Sailer might come up with.

    My other consumption of Aus. media in recent times has produced only one consistent counter-example to the above that I recall clearly -- one consistent topic on which they appear to rally around the flag. That would be attitudes to China/Chinese. (I believe that the number of Chinese in Australia is, per capita, around 10x what ours in the US is.)

    The ABC's highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.

    It went even as far as this: I caught one segment of the ABC news anchoress saying (i.e., reading teleprompter) that Chinese chauvinist students in Australia had been making hostile racial comments against "whites" (I use quotation marks because she used that word, not a euphemism). Nationalists on one issue? Then back to regularly scheduled "non-to-anti-"nationalism.

    Replies: @Tusk, @anon, @dfordoom

    We have a Race Discrimination Commissioner here that is used to browbeat Whites for wrongthink of any controversial situation, who is I believe Chinese, suggested by his name ‘Chin Tan’. Despite some worries about Chinese influence both parties are in bed with them and don’t care just the same as the GOP that as long as it’s legal immigration it is fine.

    For instance see here: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-06/josh-frydenberg-gladys-liu-high-court-challenges-election-result/11675738

    I do believe that something like 35% of the houses in Melbourne and Sydney are owned by foreign Chinese nationals, same with infrastructure and a significant portion of farmland if I’m not mistaken.

    Story on property purchases: https://www.afr.com/property/residential/huang-xiangmo-s-mystery-1-2b-man-20191101-p536em

    Two years ago, Zhang Bo, 32, was living at Wolli Creek with a view of the airport. Now he owns six houses in Sydney’s Mosman worth $37 million, but lives in none of them.

    The country is becoming increasingly impossible to live in as a native White due to immigration depressing wages and an unacessable housing market. For example in terms of employment:

    A 2017 research paper by Professor McDonald published in the Australian Population Studies Journal examined the impact of immigration on Australia’s employment growth after the Global Financial Crisis (July 2011 to July 2016).

    It found that in the five-year period, employment in Australia increased by 738,800, with immigrants accounting for 613,400 of these jobs.

    Report: http://www.australianpopulationstudies.org/index.php/aps/article/view/8

    But despite over 80% of new jobs going to people we import to do them (why would we ever train natives to fulfull demand) this “…indicates that immigration provides major benefits to the Australian economy,”. Perfect! What the Australian Economy needs is to grow for the sake of the government to the benefit of immigrants, and not the native population who should get by on scraps.

    Australia is an inept nation that doesn’t have 100 years left in it at this rate. And anything that survives after won’t be Australia in the same way Zimbabwe isn’t Rhodesia.

  122. @Hail
    @dfordoom


    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It’s absolutely relentless propaganda.
     
    Puzzling for those of us who retain the stereotype of a conservative-oriented Australia.

    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.

    In my own limited experience, I can say the other Australian ABC news coverage I've seen of late was not as overt as this Drum program, which was nearing very close to looking like a parody that Steve Sailer might come up with.

    My other consumption of Aus. media in recent times has produced only one consistent counter-example to the above that I recall clearly -- one consistent topic on which they appear to rally around the flag. That would be attitudes to China/Chinese. (I believe that the number of Chinese in Australia is, per capita, around 10x what ours in the US is.)

    The ABC's highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.

    It went even as far as this: I caught one segment of the ABC news anchoress saying (i.e., reading teleprompter) that Chinese chauvinist students in Australia had been making hostile racial comments against "whites" (I use quotation marks because she used that word, not a euphemism). Nationalists on one issue? Then back to regularly scheduled "non-to-anti-"nationalism.

    Replies: @Tusk, @anon, @dfordoom

    The socialist Labor Party expected to win the May 18 Election easily.
    Instead, they failed to win Seats with increasing Chinese populations.
    The ABC may be giving the Chinese a taste of the Media they can expect if they don’t get back on the socialist reservation.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    The socialist Labor Party expected to win the May 18 Election easily.
     
    The Australian Labor Party hasn't been socialist for forty years. And even forty years ago they were only very mildly socialist.

    Replies: @Hail

  123. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    It’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.
     
    Lying is not cool even when it's done for a good cause.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @utu, @Pheasant

    “Lying is not cool even when it’s done for a good cause. “ – Event when it is a Jewish cause?

  124. @El Dato
    OT & the banging of Feynman!!

    Elizabeth Landau writes in Quanta Magazine: Virginia Trimble Has Seen the Stars


    Stardom was part of Trimble’s early years, and not just because she attended Hollywood High School. In 1962, while still an undergraduate at the University of California, Los Angeles, she achieved her first small measure of fame when Life magazine published an article about her titled “Behind a Lovely Face, a 180 I.Q.” Then in 1963, she became Miss Twilight Zone, the face of a publicity campaign to promote the popular sci-fi show with Rod Serling.
     
    That's her in a blogpost by Martin Grams:

    Nineteen-year-old Virginia Trimble, a UCLA astrophysics major, was selected to play the lead. I tracked her down and asked her to share her memories of what it was like being Princess Twilight. “Rogers & Cowan asked the UCLA dean of students (or some such) to find a possible person,” Trimble recalled. “The then head of student counseling thought of me because of the Life Magazine article the previous year – so she knew I photographed reasonably well, and because I was part of the gifted students’ program I could probably be trusted not to say anything terribly stupid that would embarrass UCLA. The one thing I remember doing badly was an attempt to defend the folks who were fighting to keep their own homes in Vietnam against U.S. invaders.”
     
    https://i.imgur.com/dEaMvcM.jpg

    Anyway back to Quanta where another blogpost (Tough 60s chick disappoints woke young interviewer) highlights some exchanges of interest:

    Q. So you get to Caltech, and you’re the only woman —

    A. I wasn’t. There was this tiny little cluster of seven of us that went through all at the same time …

    She was so gorgeous (see her picture in the article) that Feynman asked her to be a model as (presumably) he was learning to draw, paying her $5.50 an hour.

    The interviewer couldn’t contain herself

    Q. When you spoke to him, did he treat you collegially?

    Trimble, never one to pussyfoot around, responds.

    A. The obvious question, did we make love? As it happens, no, but not a big deal. It might just as well have been yes, and we would still have been good friends.

    The intrepid interviewer persists.

    Q: I want to talk about sexual harassment in academia.

    I don’t particularly care for the word harassment.

    Let’s go with “hanky-panky,” OK?

    Q: Sure.

    When I was young and beautiful, I engaged in a great deal of hanky-panky. I could never see anything very wrong with it. You may claim that if a very distinguished senior scientist engages in hanky-panky with a much younger scientist — never mind which gender, and make it a conductor and a violinist if you wish, instead of senior and junior scientists — if that results in real injustice to people not involved in the hanky-panky, then, yeah, you have to have a rule against it. But I’m not so sure that that happens very often.

    Clearly not the sort of thing the interviewer expected. She persists and gamely frames a question so she can get the answer she wants

    Q: I just want to clarify, when someone in power makes someone who is subordinate feel that they have to engage in sexual activities for the sake of their job or the sake of their academic career, that is what angers so many people right now.

    Trimble is having none of it

    A: The step in that syllogism where I part company is the younger — or whatever — person feeling they “have to,” and let me say again that a young attractive female has a lot of power, where older, less attractive men are concerned.

    Defeated, the interviewer changes the subject.
     

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    El Dato:

    Virginia Trimble had quite a well earned reputation for bedding down quite a few more senior members of the astronomical community. I can vouch for her promiscuity, unfortunately not through personal experience. I hope that her marriage to Joseph Weber was more successful than his quixotic detection of gravitational waves.

  125. @Jack D
    @Hypnotoad666


    The idea of a person being a percentage Indigenous, or speaking in terms of blood-quantum is out dated, offensive, and linked heavily to historical trauma and classifications imposed by colonising governments against First Nations People around the world. ‘
     
    She is right about that. American Indian leaders like to pull the exact same shtick and for the exact same reasons - many of them have little if any "blood-quantum" so it is not in their personal interest to start measuring. Generally speaking, whenever someone tells you "how dare you ask that question" it means that they don't really want to answer it because a truthful answer would not be in their personal interest. Better to declare the subject off limits to questioning with a little intimidation and guilt mongering and a smidgen of mysticism.

    Replies: @bjondo

    Generally speaking, whenever someone tells you “how dare you ask that question” it means that they don’t really want to answer it because a truthful answer would not be in their personal interest. Better to declare the subject off limits to questioning with a little intimidation and guilt mongering and a smidgen of mysticism.

    Similar to the response to holocaust questioning, do you think?

    What do I know.

    • LOL: Charon
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @bjondo

    No, not the same at all, because some questions can only be asked in bad faith. For example, if you ask me what % Jewish I am, I don't tell you to fuck off, because you might not really know and you have no way of find out except by asking me. But if you ask me "did the Holocaust really happen" then you are clearly acting in bad faith or out of some sort of flat earth idiocy - there are whole libraries and museums full of evidence that it did.

  126. Anon[634] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    @Ray Huffman

    Trump called out these race faking scammers decades ago. Actual Indian on Pine Ridge living in dire poverty while fake Indians cash in on white guilt:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/10/31/10384dc3e03c434f847596a0988ffc49_18.jpg

    https://lakotawaldorfschool.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/garden.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @Clyde

    Part of the problem with reservations is that because there’s little mixing socially with outsiders, there’s little genetic mixing with outsiders. That means if a reservation is filled with low IQ people, they stay that way for generations, and they have major trouble adjusting to a complicated Western society if they decide to leave.

  127. @Cucksworth
    Federal Court Justice (((Mordecai Bromberg)))

    Free speech seems to be their top enemy these days.

    Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)

    A Talmudic non-scholar complaining
    Something’s not in “good faith” is just feigning
    That he knows what that is;
    In the faith that is his,
    The lies need a lot of explaining.

  128. @bjondo
    @Jack D

    Generally speaking, whenever someone tells you “how dare you ask that question” it means that they don’t really want to answer it because a truthful answer would not be in their personal interest. Better to declare the subject off limits to questioning with a little intimidation and guilt mongering and a smidgen of mysticism.

    Similar to the response to holocaust questioning, do you think?

    What do I know.

    Replies: @Jack D

    No, not the same at all, because some questions can only be asked in bad faith. For example, if you ask me what % Jewish I am, I don’t tell you to fuck off, because you might not really know and you have no way of find out except by asking me. But if you ask me “did the Holocaust really happen” then you are clearly acting in bad faith or out of some sort of flat earth idiocy – there are whole libraries and museums full of evidence that it did.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • LOL: Charon
  129. @prosa123
    @Jon

    In every photo and video of King I've seen there is some visible black ancestry. Not much, but it's there.

    Replies: @jon, @Clyde

    Here is that picture I was talking about:

    His mom, dad and brother all look completely white, and he looks totally white in his baby and childhood photos. It’s only as an adult when he makes an effort that he looks plausibly like he has some black ancestry. I’m sticking with him being a male version of Rachel Dolezal until I see a 23andme report.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    A lot of people have complicated family histories. E.g., Gerald Ford was an extremely normal guy, but even he had a story: he used to be Lesley King.

    Replies: @jon

    , @Hail
    @jon

    Surprised to see that Gavin McInnes is Shaun King's brother.

    https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-19-at-3.32.35-PM.png

    , @TWS
    @jon

    He's white and he knows it. If he could grow a real afro he would. Except he'd still have to dye it. He's one of the funnier frauds.

  130. @Lurker
    @Hail

    That certainly sounds exactly like any number (all?) of the debate shows on British TV.

    Replies: @Anon

    Sounds like America.

  131. Its even worse hear in Canada where huge numbers of whites claim “Aboriginal identity”.

  132. @S. Anonyia
    @Jack D

    The legitimately don’t know any better. They want an explanation for why their family is dark complected and they only have English or Scottish ancestry. What they don’t get is that climate can change an ethnic group’s appearance in a relatively short period of time: 200 years ago fair-skinned blondish/reddish poor southern settlers were probably more likely to succumb to heat stroke, melanoma, and other maladies than their darker comrades. Similar thing with the Afrikaners, who are much tanner/more brunette than the Dutch, although they have a bit of black blood too from what I understand.

    Replies: @orionyx

    Afrikaners have absolutely no blood from anywhere except Western Europe. Just ask them.
    Oh wait – here’s de Villiers’ Genealogy of the old Cape Dutch families, perusing which one can estimate the quantum of native Capoid, Indonesian, Indian and occasionally sub-Saharan African ancestry in the mix to be about 15%.
    You have to be sure to get the unexpurgated de Villiers, of course, not the one published sometime in the 60s when Apartheid was all the rage.

  133. @jon
    @prosa123

    Here is that picture I was talking about:
    https://www.informationliberation.com/files/shaun-king-not-black.jpg
    His mom, dad and brother all look completely white, and he looks totally white in his baby and childhood photos. It's only as an adult when he makes an effort that he looks plausibly like he has some black ancestry. I'm sticking with him being a male version of Rachel Dolezal until I see a 23andme report.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hail, @TWS

    A lot of people have complicated family histories. E.g., Gerald Ford was an extremely normal guy, but even he had a story: he used to be Lesley King.

    • Replies: @jon
    @Steve Sailer

    Does Shaun King claim that one or both of those two aren't his real parents? I wasn't aware of that.

    He still looks pretty much totally white though, when he isn't going out of his way to Dolezal his appearance.

  134. Her name sounds German, while her face looks Irish. Thus, I’m guessing she’s Irish-German, a negligible bit aborigine, and passing for the latter. Recall the Trinidadian-Canadian “reporter” passing for black (who looked Jewish), who wrote the 1,900-word hoax essay Steve blogged on the other day about her non-existent hair issues.

  135. @Bardon Kaldian
    This all is nice & funny, but- there are, now, 5% Chinese in Australia. And they are not going anyway. And they will remain a society apart. And China is not too far away. And white Australians are ... relaxed. Not too much vexed...

    And how many Indians are there? Indonesians? Various Muslims?

    And how do you intend to keep Australia a functioning country without white Australia policy?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    This all is nice & funny, but- there are, now, 5% Chinese in Australia. And they are not going anyway. And they will remain a society apart. And China is not too far away. And white Australians are … relaxed. Not too much vexed…

    There’s been a lot of anti-Chinese hysteria in the media in recent times. And there’s a lot of silly misguided support for the US-funded Hong Kong protesters.

    And how do you intend to keep Australia a functioning country without white Australia policy?

    We have some major problems but we’re more of a functional society than the US or the western European countries. Chinese people tend to be pretty good at doing the functional society thing.

    In practice we’re a lot less totalitarian than Britain for example. But then China today is a lot less totalitarian than Britain.

    Our biggest problem is our grovelling relationship with the United States, and our importation of trash American culture.

  136. @anon

    Bromberg found Bolt had breached the act because the articles were not written in good faith and contained factual errors.
     
    That's probably right.
    Imagine Sean Hannity making an issue of people with tiny amounts of Native American ancestry lining up for Federal Grants based on that ancestry.
    How is that news, and who cares anyway?

    He then gets prosecuted under a Law he's well aware of, puts up a puny defence, and doesn't appeal the verdict.
    Plus, the article was published by Bolt's employer, the Melbourne Herald Sun, owner Murdoch, yet he wasn't supported at all by the dominant Murdoch Press in Australia.

    For mine, it just didn't stack up as legit.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    He then gets prosecuted under a Law he’s well aware of, puts up a puny defence, and doesn’t appeal the verdict.
    Plus, the article was published by Bolt’s employer, the Melbourne Herald Sun, owner Murdoch, yet he wasn’t supported at all by the dominant Murdoch Press in Australia.

    It got him a lot of publicity. I suspect he was hoping to be prosecuted.

    Bolt is too much of a neoliberal for my tastes, with some definite neocon leanings.

    • Replies: @sb
    @dfordoom

    The general legal view is that Bolt (or more correctly his employer ) would have been succesful on appeal
    but rather strangely there was no appeal ( I guess as no big money was involved )
    Nobody thinks Judge Mordy's decision would stand up including many lefties (Judge Mordy spoke of Bolt's "tone "for instance -a novel legal concept )
    Interestingly before he became a lefty hack lawyer Mordy was a pretty good player in the AFL- one organisation that has more abos than jews

    Of course " the general legal view " is not an always reliable concept -witness the George Pell result which almost no one expected ( although that could still.hopefully , change )

    Replies: @J.Ross

  137. Reminds me of Valerie Jarrett and Rosanne “I thought the bitch was white” Barr.https://cdn.britannica.com/47/127447-050-DCFEFF78/Valerie-Jarrett.jpg

  138. @Hail
    @dfordoom


    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It’s absolutely relentless propaganda.
     
    Puzzling for those of us who retain the stereotype of a conservative-oriented Australia.

    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.

    In my own limited experience, I can say the other Australian ABC news coverage I've seen of late was not as overt as this Drum program, which was nearing very close to looking like a parody that Steve Sailer might come up with.

    My other consumption of Aus. media in recent times has produced only one consistent counter-example to the above that I recall clearly -- one consistent topic on which they appear to rally around the flag. That would be attitudes to China/Chinese. (I believe that the number of Chinese in Australia is, per capita, around 10x what ours in the US is.)

    The ABC's highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.

    It went even as far as this: I caught one segment of the ABC news anchoress saying (i.e., reading teleprompter) that Chinese chauvinist students in Australia had been making hostile racial comments against "whites" (I use quotation marks because she used that word, not a euphemism). Nationalists on one issue? Then back to regularly scheduled "non-to-anti-"nationalism.

    Replies: @Tusk, @anon, @dfordoom

    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.

    Our centre-right party is staunchly neoliberal scum and extremely socially liberal.

    The ABC’s highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.

    Australia is the most pathetically loyal and craven of all American allies (apart from the Brits). And our media is fanatically pro-American.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @dfordoom


    Australia is the most pathetically loyal and craven of all American allies (apart from the Brits). And our media is fanatically pro-American.

     

    I wish we could take back the American lives lost in the Battle of the Coral Sea which prevented the Japs from invading Australia.

    Replies: @JMcG

    , @J.Ross
    @dfordoom

    Individual Aussies on 4chan are the foreign group most loyal to American values and literate in them. When you read a brilliant defense of the First or Second Amendments, and it's not from an American, it's almost always from an Australian.

  139. @anon
    @Hail

    The socialist Labor Party expected to win the May 18 Election easily.
    Instead, they failed to win Seats with increasing Chinese populations.
    The ABC may be giving the Chinese a taste of the Media they can expect if they don't get back on the socialist reservation.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The socialist Labor Party expected to win the May 18 Election easily.

    The Australian Labor Party hasn’t been socialist for forty years. And even forty years ago they were only very mildly socialist.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @dfordoom


    The Australian Labor Party
     
    "Any attempt to mix races is a bad thing. I've always fought any attempt to, uh, dilute our blood. I've always fought, for the maintenance of our standards. I'm proud of my race." -- Arthur Calwell, Leader of the Australian Labor Party

    (What happened to this Labor Party?)

    ____________

    Arthur Calwell
    - b.1896 in Melbourne; died 1973;
    - born to Australian parents with ancestry in Australia dating to the 1840s;
    - first elected Member of the Australian Parliament, Sept. 1940; served to Nov. 1972;
    - July 1945 to Dec. 1949: Immigration Minister, enforcer of White Australia Policy;
    - Deputy Leader of the Australian Labor Party, June 1951 to March 1960;
    - Leader of Labor Party, Mar. 1960 to Feb. 1967; concurrently Leader of Opposition.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  140. @dfordoom
    @anon


    The socialist Labor Party expected to win the May 18 Election easily.
     
    The Australian Labor Party hasn't been socialist for forty years. And even forty years ago they were only very mildly socialist.

    Replies: @Hail

    The Australian Labor Party

    “Any attempt to mix races is a bad thing. I’ve always fought any attempt to, uh, dilute our blood. I’ve always fought, for the maintenance of our standards. I’m proud of my race.” — Arthur Calwell, Leader of the Australian Labor Party

    (What happened to this Labor Party?)

    ____________

    Arthur Calwell
    b.1896 in Melbourne; died 1973;
    – born to Australian parents with ancestry in Australia dating to the 1840s;
    – first elected Member of the Australian Parliament, Sept. 1940; served to Nov. 1972;
    July 1945 to Dec. 1949: Immigration Minister, enforcer of White Australia Policy;
    – Deputy Leader of the Australian Labor Party, June 1951 to March 1960;
    – Leader of Labor Party, Mar. 1960 to Feb. 1967; concurrently Leader of Opposition.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Hail


    (What happened to this Labor Party?)
     
    The same thing that happened to the Old Left everywhere. They got crushed or bought off and were replaced by the New Left. The Old Left was moderately socialist on economic issues and socially conservative. The New Left was socially radical, and on economic issues drifted further and further right.

    The Hawke-Keating Labor Governments of 1983-1996 were hard right neoliberals on economic issues and socially liberal.

    All Australian governments since WW2 have been pro-immigration.
  141. @jon
    @prosa123

    Here is that picture I was talking about:
    https://www.informationliberation.com/files/shaun-king-not-black.jpg
    His mom, dad and brother all look completely white, and he looks totally white in his baby and childhood photos. It's only as an adult when he makes an effort that he looks plausibly like he has some black ancestry. I'm sticking with him being a male version of Rachel Dolezal until I see a 23andme report.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hail, @TWS

    Surprised to see that Gavin McInnes is Shaun King’s brother.

    • LOL: jon
  142. anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    Calwell was responsible for the massive non White Immigration from 1945-’50.
    In league with the Catholic Church, he flooded Australia with Calabrians, Sicilians, the Maltese, and they snuck Catholics from Syria in as well.
    Ships captains were instructed to place Dutch/Latvian/German blondies and children against the railings as they docked for the Press photographers.
    The dark hordes were down below.
    It never worked out the way they planned, the Dagoes had seen enough of Socialism in Europe, and turned their backs on the Labor Party for the next 25 years.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @anon


    Calwell was responsible for the massive non White Immigration from 1945-’50.
     
    No, Calwell was responsible for the massive White Immigration from 1945-’50.

    It never worked out the way they planned, the Dagoes had seen enough of Socialism in Europe, and turned their backs on the Labor Party for the next 25 years.
     
    No, the Labor Party was out of power because the party split in the mid-50s. The mostly Catholic (mostly Irish Catholic) splinter party was the major reason Labor was out of power.
  143. Mordecai Bromberg

    • Agree: eah
  144. @dfordoom
    @Hail


    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.
     
    Our centre-right party is staunchly neoliberal scum and extremely socially liberal.

    The ABC’s highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.
     
    Australia is the most pathetically loyal and craven of all American allies (apart from the Brits). And our media is fanatically pro-American.

    Replies: @Moses, @J.Ross

    Australia is the most pathetically loyal and craven of all American allies (apart from the Brits). And our media is fanatically pro-American.

    I wish we could take back the American lives lost in the Battle of the Coral Sea which prevented the Japs from invading Australia.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Moses

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Replies: @Moses, @anon

  145. @dfordoom
    @anon


    He then gets prosecuted under a Law he’s well aware of, puts up a puny defence, and doesn’t appeal the verdict.
    Plus, the article was published by Bolt’s employer, the Melbourne Herald Sun, owner Murdoch, yet he wasn’t supported at all by the dominant Murdoch Press in Australia.
     
    It got him a lot of publicity. I suspect he was hoping to be prosecuted.

    Bolt is too much of a neoliberal for my tastes, with some definite neocon leanings.

    Replies: @sb

    The general legal view is that Bolt (or more correctly his employer ) would have been succesful on appeal
    but rather strangely there was no appeal ( I guess as no big money was involved )
    Nobody thinks Judge Mordy’s decision would stand up including many lefties (Judge Mordy spoke of Bolt’s “tone “for instance -a novel legal concept )
    Interestingly before he became a lefty hack lawyer Mordy was a pretty good player in the AFL- one organisation that has more abos than jews

    Of course ” the general legal view ” is not an always reliable concept -witness the George Pell result which almost no one expected ( although that could still.hopefully , change )

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @sb

    There was just a judgment by the European soccer authority (not law, but they influence each other) that a soccer player must pay a fine for a tweet that was deemed racist after the fact even though the authority recognized that the player intended no offense at the time of the tweet.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10338494/man-city-bernardo-silva-mendy-ban-fine-racist-tweet/

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

  146. @Hail
    @dfordoom


    The Australian Labor Party
     
    "Any attempt to mix races is a bad thing. I've always fought any attempt to, uh, dilute our blood. I've always fought, for the maintenance of our standards. I'm proud of my race." -- Arthur Calwell, Leader of the Australian Labor Party

    (What happened to this Labor Party?)

    ____________

    Arthur Calwell
    - b.1896 in Melbourne; died 1973;
    - born to Australian parents with ancestry in Australia dating to the 1840s;
    - first elected Member of the Australian Parliament, Sept. 1940; served to Nov. 1972;
    - July 1945 to Dec. 1949: Immigration Minister, enforcer of White Australia Policy;
    - Deputy Leader of the Australian Labor Party, June 1951 to March 1960;
    - Leader of Labor Party, Mar. 1960 to Feb. 1967; concurrently Leader of Opposition.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    (What happened to this Labor Party?)

    The same thing that happened to the Old Left everywhere. They got crushed or bought off and were replaced by the New Left. The Old Left was moderately socialist on economic issues and socially conservative. The New Left was socially radical, and on economic issues drifted further and further right.

    The Hawke-Keating Labor Governments of 1983-1996 were hard right neoliberals on economic issues and socially liberal.

    All Australian governments since WW2 have been pro-immigration.

  147. @anon
    Calwell was responsible for the massive non White Immigration from 1945-'50.
    In league with the Catholic Church, he flooded Australia with Calabrians, Sicilians, the Maltese, and they snuck Catholics from Syria in as well.
    Ships captains were instructed to place Dutch/Latvian/German blondies and children against the railings as they docked for the Press photographers.
    The dark hordes were down below.
    It never worked out the way they planned, the Dagoes had seen enough of Socialism in Europe, and turned their backs on the Labor Party for the next 25 years.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Calwell was responsible for the massive non White Immigration from 1945-’50.

    No, Calwell was responsible for the massive White Immigration from 1945-’50.

    It never worked out the way they planned, the Dagoes had seen enough of Socialism in Europe, and turned their backs on the Labor Party for the next 25 years.

    No, the Labor Party was out of power because the party split in the mid-50s. The mostly Catholic (mostly Irish Catholic) splinter party was the major reason Labor was out of power.

  148. @Steve Sailer
    @jon

    A lot of people have complicated family histories. E.g., Gerald Ford was an extremely normal guy, but even he had a story: he used to be Lesley King.

    Replies: @jon

    Does Shaun King claim that one or both of those two aren’t his real parents? I wasn’t aware of that.

    He still looks pretty much totally white though, when he isn’t going out of his way to Dolezal his appearance.

  149. @obwandiyag
    More lying spin.

    What the spokes persons look like is a minor detail.

    What they say is true. Aborigines are suffering from over-surveillance, over-incarceration, and death.

    And you'll probably blame the victims as always. Even the over-surveillance. You're going to blame the Aborigines for over-surveilling themselves or some typical insanity.

    Replies: @bomag

    Dear obwandiyag,

    We welcome criticism to the extent that it guides us toward improvement.

    We’ve listened to your side’s criticisms for going on a hundred years now, and implemented almost all your policy recommendations, and yet the promised outcomes are not occurring.

    • LOL: eah
  150. @Nodwink
    The cop involved in that shooting has just been charged with murder.

    Replies: @Nodwink, @eah

    There is a GoFundMe setup for this case:

    Justice for Yuendumu: Inquiry on Police Shooting

    Unsurprisingly, a fairly large amount of money has already been raised — also unsurprising: if you click on “donors”, you get a pop-up where you can scroll down and see the names of the donors — doing so, it appears (at least to me) that among the non-anonymous donors, the vast majority are female — I would say at least 80+%.

  151. @jon
    @prosa123

    Here is that picture I was talking about:
    https://www.informationliberation.com/files/shaun-king-not-black.jpg
    His mom, dad and brother all look completely white, and he looks totally white in his baby and childhood photos. It's only as an adult when he makes an effort that he looks plausibly like he has some black ancestry. I'm sticking with him being a male version of Rachel Dolezal until I see a 23andme report.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hail, @TWS

    He’s white and he knows it. If he could grow a real afro he would. Except he’d still have to dye it. He’s one of the funnier frauds.

  152. @Bardon Kaldian
    I know they're recessives & all that.... But, who in his (or her) right mind would even consider the idea of having sex with these people who are probably the ugliest humans who ever existed (with possible exception of Tasmanians)?

    I understand perversion, but this is too much, those Anglo-Celtic pervy freaks rutting with those humanoids....

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AndrewR

    Indeed. I’ve never seen a full blooded Abeaux I would call even slightly good looking. I can’t say that about any other group.

  153. @sb
    @dfordoom

    The general legal view is that Bolt (or more correctly his employer ) would have been succesful on appeal
    but rather strangely there was no appeal ( I guess as no big money was involved )
    Nobody thinks Judge Mordy's decision would stand up including many lefties (Judge Mordy spoke of Bolt's "tone "for instance -a novel legal concept )
    Interestingly before he became a lefty hack lawyer Mordy was a pretty good player in the AFL- one organisation that has more abos than jews

    Of course " the general legal view " is not an always reliable concept -witness the George Pell result which almost no one expected ( although that could still.hopefully , change )

    Replies: @J.Ross

    There was just a judgment by the European soccer authority (not law, but they influence each other) that a soccer player must pay a fine for a tweet that was deemed racist after the fact even though the authority recognized that the player intended no offense at the time of the tweet.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10338494/man-city-bernardo-silva-mendy-ban-fine-racist-tweet/

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @J.Ross


    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10338494/man-city-bernardo-silva-mendy-ban-fine-racist-tweet/
     
    A society that curtails freedom of expression in such a way must, sooner or later- collapse.
  154. @dfordoom
    @Hail


    You re-elected the center-right guy a few months ago, yet it sounds as if the Aus. media is effectively run by members of a radical-Left fringe group.
     
    Our centre-right party is staunchly neoliberal scum and extremely socially liberal.

    The ABC’s highly critical coverage of Chinese influence in Australia surprised me because of the big contrast to the rest of their coverage of the day.
     
    Australia is the most pathetically loyal and craven of all American allies (apart from the Brits). And our media is fanatically pro-American.

    Replies: @Moses, @J.Ross

    Individual Aussies on 4chan are the foreign group most loyal to American values and literate in them. When you read a brilliant defense of the First or Second Amendments, and it’s not from an American, it’s almost always from an Australian.

  155. @dfordoom
    @Hail


    Almost as if the Drum producers are tasked with policing the Overton Window and keeping the pressure on it in the desired direction.

    Would love if Australian(s) would confirm or deny this impression.
     
    I'm an Australian, and yes that is precisely the purpose of the show. In fact it's the purpose of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as a whole. They are enforcers of political correctness. The ABC has no other purpose.

    If you watch the ABC you'll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children's shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda and nothing else. It's absolutely relentless propaganda.

    They're even more hysterical when it comes to LGBT stuff. It's quite terrifying. They're fanatics.

    Replies: @Hail, @Clyde

    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda….

    How can their PC drek hijack a gardening show? Though there was a radio gardening show where I live that was got me on the right track as far as planting/growing fruit trees. It broke up and went off the air. I later found out that one of the duo (two guys were hosting it) was very right wing, that they could not stand each other’s politics.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Clyde

    Alton Brown is magnificent and he's hardly a complete lefty, but when he did a show about tortillas he felt the need to debase himself as "lazy," because, after all, mestizos are inherently hardworking, and not preferred by employers for any legal vulnerability or dramatic savings in payroll. That was back in the late 90s (and it might have seemed okay then because the atmosphere was more relaxed). NPR has inserted into apolitical lifestyle stories a token mention of how Trump ruins everything and, like the shotglass at a Jewish wedding, you are not allowed to ever completely forget your worries, you must always reserve a corner of your mind for mourning and resentment. "Good thing we have this cocktail recipe, what with the dark and divisive times we live in."

    Replies: @Clyde

    , @dfordoom
    @Clyde


    How can their PC drek hijack a gardening show?
     
    Hire lesbians as hosts and turn everything into a lecture on global warming and the joys of raising mung beans. Then add some stuff about how indigenous peoples lived in harmony with the land until they got invaded by bad white people.

    The ABC is proof that absolutely every subject you can think of can be politicised.

    Replies: @Clyde

  156. @prosa123
    @Jon

    In every photo and video of King I've seen there is some visible black ancestry. Not much, but it's there.

    Replies: @jon, @Clyde

    Talcum X aka Shaun King the fake black guy, he pulls in lots of money to his race based NGO/whatever org he has, as in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. So why should he quit now? I have seen once where he claimed he was black because his mother had an affair with a black dude. Though both his parents are stone cold whitey.

  157. @J.Ross
    @sb

    There was just a judgment by the European soccer authority (not law, but they influence each other) that a soccer player must pay a fine for a tweet that was deemed racist after the fact even though the authority recognized that the player intended no offense at the time of the tweet.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10338494/man-city-bernardo-silva-mendy-ban-fine-racist-tweet/

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10338494/man-city-bernardo-silva-mendy-ban-fine-racist-tweet/

    A society that curtails freedom of expression in such a way must, sooner or later- collapse.

  158. Now, of course, everybody today knows that sending Aboriginal children to boarding schools was the most evil thing ever.

    There would be a pissing match with Canadian “First Nations” over that one.
    If you believe the narrative, every single one of them was sexually abused by someone, even at the schools run by nuns. The ones that weren’t sexually abused were murdered.

  159. @Moses
    @dfordoom


    Australia is the most pathetically loyal and craven of all American allies (apart from the Brits). And our media is fanatically pro-American.

     

    I wish we could take back the American lives lost in the Battle of the Coral Sea which prevented the Japs from invading Australia.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @JMcG


    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia any more than the Germans were going to invade England.
     
    Erm ok if you say so. The Australian and US gubment thought the Japanese invasion threat quite real in 1942.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/He%27s_coming_South.jpg

    There is a considerable body of evidence, including the views of distinguished historians, senior Japanese Navy officers, and the official history of Japan's involvement in World War II, to support a conclusion that the Japanese intended to become the masters of Australia in 1942, either by (a) invasion of northern Australia and severing Australia's lifeline to the United States, or (b) severing Australia's lifeline to the United States and then pressuring Australia into surrender to Japan.
     
    http://www.pacificwar.org.au/battaust/JapdebAustinvade.html

    In any event American sacrifices at the Battle of the Coral Sea thwarted any Japanese designs on Australia.

    You’re welcome, mate.

    Replies: @Tusk

    , @anon
    @JMcG

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia

    Well, not as long as Port Moresby was in Aussie hands. If that had been secured, then an expedition into Australia would have been more possible. Therefore Port Moresby was of great importance to both Imperial Japanese and Allied naval forces.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_the_Coral_Sea

    any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Well, they weren't going to try as long as the RAF was viable, but the transport barges were under construction and other preparations were going on.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Sea_Lion

    Suppressing the RAF and Navy was the job of the Luftwaffe. This failed, but not for lack of trying.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_britain

    It is sad how so many commenters here are ignorant of basic 20th century history.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Pheasant

  160. @Clyde
    @dfordoom


    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda....
     
    How can their PC drek hijack a gardening show? Though there was a radio gardening show where I live that was got me on the right track as far as planting/growing fruit trees. It broke up and went off the air. I later found out that one of the duo (two guys were hosting it) was very right wing, that they could not stand each other's politics.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @dfordoom

    Alton Brown is magnificent and he’s hardly a complete lefty, but when he did a show about tortillas he felt the need to debase himself as “lazy,” because, after all, mestizos are inherently hardworking, and not preferred by employers for any legal vulnerability or dramatic savings in payroll. That was back in the late 90s (and it might have seemed okay then because the atmosphere was more relaxed). NPR has inserted into apolitical lifestyle stories a token mention of how Trump ruins everything and, like the shotglass at a Jewish wedding, you are not allowed to ever completely forget your worries, you must always reserve a corner of your mind for mourning and resentment. “Good thing we have this cocktail recipe, what with the dark and divisive times we live in.”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @J.Ross

    One of Alton Browns first on TV was smoking meats (his hot improvised) in an old gym locker. Very funny! Yes not too hard to figure Alton tilts right though he wiped out on his motorcycle. Must have been tired and under deadline.

  161. @JMcG
    @Moses

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Replies: @Moses, @anon

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Erm ok if you say so. The Australian and US gubment thought the Japanese invasion threat quite real in 1942.

    There is a considerable body of evidence, including the views of distinguished historians, senior Japanese Navy officers, and the official history of Japan’s involvement in World War II, to support a conclusion that the Japanese intended to become the masters of Australia in 1942, either by (a) invasion of northern Australia and severing Australia’s lifeline to the United States, or (b) severing Australia’s lifeline to the United States and then pressuring Australia into surrender to Japan.

    http://www.pacificwar.org.au/battaust/JapdebAustinvade.html

    In any event American sacrifices at the Battle of the Coral Sea thwarted any Japanese designs on Australia.

    You’re welcome, mate.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    @Moses

    I would rather Japan invaded us then instead of the Chinese now.

    Replies: @Moses, @J.Ross

  162. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG
    @Moses

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Replies: @Moses, @anon

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia

    Well, not as long as Port Moresby was in Aussie hands. If that had been secured, then an expedition into Australia would have been more possible. Therefore Port Moresby was of great importance to both Imperial Japanese and Allied naval forces.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_the_Coral_Sea

    any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Well, they weren’t going to try as long as the RAF was viable, but the transport barges were under construction and other preparations were going on.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Sea_Lion

    Suppressing the RAF and Navy was the job of the Luftwaffe. This failed, but not for lack of trying.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_britain

    It is sad how so many commenters here are ignorant of basic 20th century history.

    • Agree: Moses
    • Replies: @JMcG
    @anon

    It’s sad indeed. Compare and contrast the Royal Navy to the Kriegsmarine of 1940. I’ll wait. Now explain how the German invasion of the UK was to proceed. Please point out the manner in which the Germans tried to suppress the RN. Look at the result of the Dieppe Raid. Have a little sense.
    As to Australia; I quite agree that the Japanese aim was to interdict the supply line from the US. I know of no serious historian who has held that the Japanese were aiming to invade Australia. With what, for starters. The Japanese Army spent the War holed up in China, terrified that the Soviets might replay Khalkhin Gol.

    Replies: @Moses, @anon

    , @Pheasant
    @anon

    'the transport barges were under construction'

    Huh no.

    The Germans famously lacked amphibious shipping in WW2 and the invasion barges were repurposed French canal boats.

    Suck it.

  163. @Moses
    @JMcG


    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia any more than the Germans were going to invade England.
     
    Erm ok if you say so. The Australian and US gubment thought the Japanese invasion threat quite real in 1942.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/He%27s_coming_South.jpg

    There is a considerable body of evidence, including the views of distinguished historians, senior Japanese Navy officers, and the official history of Japan's involvement in World War II, to support a conclusion that the Japanese intended to become the masters of Australia in 1942, either by (a) invasion of northern Australia and severing Australia's lifeline to the United States, or (b) severing Australia's lifeline to the United States and then pressuring Australia into surrender to Japan.
     
    http://www.pacificwar.org.au/battaust/JapdebAustinvade.html

    In any event American sacrifices at the Battle of the Coral Sea thwarted any Japanese designs on Australia.

    You’re welcome, mate.

    Replies: @Tusk

    I would rather Japan invaded us then instead of the Chinese now.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Tusk

    There’s no doubt in my mind that the CPC’s long term strategic goal is to isolate Australia and render it a toothless vassal of China.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @J.Ross
    @Tusk

    The Japanese of that time were completely different than the professional businessmen of the 80s.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  164. We are lied to about everything. Indigenous Australians are caucasian dravidians from India and Srilanka. David Gullpilal[Gulzpilal] famous aussie actor has a name still used in srilanka. Academics not under system mind control have identified his ancestors arrival around 4000 years ago. They brought their dingo[dog] with them. Indians are caucasian. That is why they become lighter skinned so quickly with intermarriage. Rex Gilroy claims they came with the egyptians, but that is another cover up.

  165. @anon
    @JMcG

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia

    Well, not as long as Port Moresby was in Aussie hands. If that had been secured, then an expedition into Australia would have been more possible. Therefore Port Moresby was of great importance to both Imperial Japanese and Allied naval forces.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_the_Coral_Sea

    any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Well, they weren't going to try as long as the RAF was viable, but the transport barges were under construction and other preparations were going on.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Sea_Lion

    Suppressing the RAF and Navy was the job of the Luftwaffe. This failed, but not for lack of trying.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_britain

    It is sad how so many commenters here are ignorant of basic 20th century history.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Pheasant

    It’s sad indeed. Compare and contrast the Royal Navy to the Kriegsmarine of 1940. I’ll wait. Now explain how the German invasion of the UK was to proceed. Please point out the manner in which the Germans tried to suppress the RN. Look at the result of the Dieppe Raid. Have a little sense.
    As to Australia; I quite agree that the Japanese aim was to interdict the supply line from the US. I know of no serious historian who has held that the Japanese were aiming to invade Australia. With what, for starters. The Japanese Army spent the War holed up in China, terrified that the Soviets might replay Khalkhin Gol.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @JMcG

    Monday morning armchair quarterbacking. It’s a lot easier with 75 years of historical perspective, isn’t it?

    The reality is German invasion of Britain and Japanese invasion of Australia were quite real possibilities from the perspective of Allied gubments in 1942.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Pheasant

    , @anon
    @JMcG

    It’s sad indeed. Compare and contrast the Royal Navy to the Kriegsmarine of 1940. I’ll wait. Now explain how the German invasion of the UK was to proceed.

    Operation Sea Lion was not my plan, it was the Germans plan. Was it a good plan? Some German generals did not think so. Would it have worked? Probably not.

    The plan existed, which refutes your claim. That's all I'm pointing out.

    As to Australia; I quite agree that the Japanese aim was to interdict the supply line from the US. I know of no serious historian who has held that the Japanese were aiming to invade Australia.

    The first version of the Greater East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere included Wake island as an east side outpost. In 1942 the Japanese command decided to invade Midway and the Aleutian islands. If the battle of Coral Sea had gone their way and taken Port Moresby, we cannot know what would have followed. Perhaps a purely defensive perimeter, perhaps an opportunistic push into far northern Australia purely for the disruptive effects.

    The Japanese Army spent the War holed up in China, terrified that the Soviets might replay Khalkhin Gol.

    Lol. So who were all those troops invading and occupying Burma, Malaysia, the Philippines, parts of New Guinea, the Solomons, Truk, Guam, Peleilu, Formosa, parts of China, Manchuria, etc. and so forth?

    Precision in writing is not one of your strong points. Perhaps when you get out of college you can learn to write mo' bettah?

    Replies: @JMcG

  166. @Tusk
    @Moses

    I would rather Japan invaded us then instead of the Chinese now.

    Replies: @Moses, @J.Ross

    There’s no doubt in my mind that the CPC’s long term strategic goal is to isolate Australia and render it a toothless vassal of China.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Moses


    There’s no doubt in my mind that the CPC’s long term strategic goal is to isolate Australia and render it a toothless vassal of China.
     
    At the moment we're a toothless vassal of the US. On balance I'd prefer China to the US. I'm a bit tired of young Australians being sent off to fight America's stupid senseless wars. And I'm a bit tired of drowning in a sea of American cultural degeneracy.

    Australia isn't going to be an independent sovereign nation. We're not strong enough. If we have to be someone's vassal I'd prefer someone less crazy than the Americans.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Moses

  167. @JMcG
    @anon

    It’s sad indeed. Compare and contrast the Royal Navy to the Kriegsmarine of 1940. I’ll wait. Now explain how the German invasion of the UK was to proceed. Please point out the manner in which the Germans tried to suppress the RN. Look at the result of the Dieppe Raid. Have a little sense.
    As to Australia; I quite agree that the Japanese aim was to interdict the supply line from the US. I know of no serious historian who has held that the Japanese were aiming to invade Australia. With what, for starters. The Japanese Army spent the War holed up in China, terrified that the Soviets might replay Khalkhin Gol.

    Replies: @Moses, @anon

    Monday morning armchair quarterbacking. It’s a lot easier with 75 years of historical perspective, isn’t it?

    The reality is German invasion of Britain and Japanese invasion of Australia were quite real possibilities from the perspective of Allied gubments in 1942.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Moses

    Ultra. Magic. Purple. We were reading their mail. The posters sold a lot of War Bonds though.

    , @Pheasant
    @Moses

    The reality?

    How could Germany have invaded England with the Royal navy in the way and the Royal air force capable of sinking troopships even if they tried?

  168. @Nodwink
    @Nodwink


    Another reason that so many professional Australian Aboriginal Activists look like normal white people is because in Australia you aren’t legally allowed to publicly notice that pattern.
     
    There's another reason: You don't actually have to have any Aboriginal ancestry to qualify as Aboriginal. You can self-identify as Aboriginal, or be accepted as such by an Aboriginal tribe.

    The funniest example of this I saw on Australian TV show, about the goings-on at an Australian airport. An Orthodox Jewish man (dressed as you'd expect an Orthodox Jew to be dressed) who "identified as an Aborigine" got into a squabble with Customs over his didgeridoo. I have been unable to find the footage online, but I assure you I am not making this up.

    Replies: @Buck Ransom

    I wonder if there are many Abos who identify as Ashkenazi, and if they are feted (no, not fetid) with great fanfare when they don a yarmulke and make their aliyah to the old sod.

  169. @Moses
    @JMcG

    Monday morning armchair quarterbacking. It’s a lot easier with 75 years of historical perspective, isn’t it?

    The reality is German invasion of Britain and Japanese invasion of Australia were quite real possibilities from the perspective of Allied gubments in 1942.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Pheasant

    Ultra. Magic. Purple. We were reading their mail. The posters sold a lot of War Bonds though.

  170. We were reading their mail.

    We were reading *some* of their mail. And we didn’t understand all of each message, sometimes none of a message.

    The HYPO/Magic code-breaking intel pointing to Midway was in no way definitive. The HYPO team in Hawaii led by the brilliant Captain Rochefort almost was overruled by a competing team in DC who had a different (and, it turned out, wrong) conclusion from the Japanese radio traffic.

    Not only was HYPO often unclear and uncertain, but HYPO interpretations could not see more than a month or two into the future. The information was mostly of a logistics or tactical nature — ship and troop movements, supply movements, stuff like that. From that the HYPO team would make an educated guess on what the Japs’ next move was. The deductions were never 100% certain, but got better and better as the war progressed.

    The clincher for conclusive Midway intel easily could not have happened. The HYPO team were trying to figure out a certain location code word referenced in a lot of traffic. They had Midway send an open radio message that they were running low on fresh water. Fortunately the Japanese didn’t suspect a thing and relayed that information in code. When HYPO saw the mystery location code word referenced as low on water shortly after that they knew it was Midway. Then everything fell into place, although it was by no means 100% certain even then.

    So, yeah. In November 2019 with all information on both sides available, you can say the Japanese were in no position to Australia invade en masse. In April 1942, not so much.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Moses

    Thanks for the Wikipedia summary, but the scholarship has moved on. See Wilford’s Decoding Pearl Harbor for a fifteen year old view. Let me repeat. There was no threat of a Japanese invasion of Australia nor of a German Invasion of England and anyone with any power to make strategic decisions knew so at the time.

    Replies: @Moses

  171. @J.Ross
    @Clyde

    Alton Brown is magnificent and he's hardly a complete lefty, but when he did a show about tortillas he felt the need to debase himself as "lazy," because, after all, mestizos are inherently hardworking, and not preferred by employers for any legal vulnerability or dramatic savings in payroll. That was back in the late 90s (and it might have seemed okay then because the atmosphere was more relaxed). NPR has inserted into apolitical lifestyle stories a token mention of how Trump ruins everything and, like the shotglass at a Jewish wedding, you are not allowed to ever completely forget your worries, you must always reserve a corner of your mind for mourning and resentment. "Good thing we have this cocktail recipe, what with the dark and divisive times we live in."

    Replies: @Clyde

    One of Alton Browns first on TV was smoking meats (his hot improvised) in an old gym locker. Very funny! Yes not too hard to figure Alton tilts right though he wiped out on his motorcycle. Must have been tired and under deadline.

  172. @Moses

    We were reading their mail.
     
    We were reading *some* of their mail. And we didn't understand all of each message, sometimes none of a message.

    The HYPO/Magic code-breaking intel pointing to Midway was in no way definitive. The HYPO team in Hawaii led by the brilliant Captain Rochefort almost was overruled by a competing team in DC who had a different (and, it turned out, wrong) conclusion from the Japanese radio traffic.

    Not only was HYPO often unclear and uncertain, but HYPO interpretations could not see more than a month or two into the future. The information was mostly of a logistics or tactical nature -- ship and troop movements, supply movements, stuff like that. From that the HYPO team would make an educated guess on what the Japs' next move was. The deductions were never 100% certain, but got better and better as the war progressed.

    The clincher for conclusive Midway intel easily could not have happened. The HYPO team were trying to figure out a certain location code word referenced in a lot of traffic. They had Midway send an open radio message that they were running low on fresh water. Fortunately the Japanese didn't suspect a thing and relayed that information in code. When HYPO saw the mystery location code word referenced as low on water shortly after that they knew it was Midway. Then everything fell into place, although it was by no means 100% certain even then.

    So, yeah. In November 2019 with all information on both sides available, you can say the Japanese were in no position to Australia invade en masse. In April 1942, not so much.

    Replies: @JMcG

    Thanks for the Wikipedia summary, but the scholarship has moved on. See Wilford’s Decoding Pearl Harbor for a fifteen year old view. Let me repeat. There was no threat of a Japanese invasion of Australia nor of a German Invasion of England and anyone with any power to make strategic decisions knew so at the time.

    • Replies: @Moses
    @JMcG


    There was no threat of a Japanese invasion of Australia nor of a German Invasion of England and anyone with any power to make strategic decisions knew so at the time.
     
    Your time-traveling mind-reading powers are incredible! You see inside the minds of leaders in 1942, know not only what they knew, but their conclusions and beliefs as well!

    Amazing.

    Replies: @JMcG

  173. @Jack D
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)


    It’s just a thing that some white people (largely Southern white people) have done to emphasize their blood and soil connection to the land.
     
    Lying is not cool even when it's done for a good cause.

    Replies: @anon, @S. Anonyia, @utu, @Pheasant

    But is it good for the Jews?

  174. @anon
    @JMcG

    Good Lord. The Japs weren’t going to invade Australia

    Well, not as long as Port Moresby was in Aussie hands. If that had been secured, then an expedition into Australia would have been more possible. Therefore Port Moresby was of great importance to both Imperial Japanese and Allied naval forces.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_the_Coral_Sea

    any more than the Germans were going to invade England.

    Well, they weren't going to try as long as the RAF was viable, but the transport barges were under construction and other preparations were going on.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Sea_Lion

    Suppressing the RAF and Navy was the job of the Luftwaffe. This failed, but not for lack of trying.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Battle_of_britain

    It is sad how so many commenters here are ignorant of basic 20th century history.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Pheasant

    ‘the transport barges were under construction’

    Huh no.

    The Germans famously lacked amphibious shipping in WW2 and the invasion barges were repurposed French canal boats.

    Suck it.

  175. @Moses
    @JMcG

    Monday morning armchair quarterbacking. It’s a lot easier with 75 years of historical perspective, isn’t it?

    The reality is German invasion of Britain and Japanese invasion of Australia were quite real possibilities from the perspective of Allied gubments in 1942.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Pheasant

    The reality?

    How could Germany have invaded England with the Royal navy in the way and the Royal air force capable of sinking troopships even if they tried?

  176. @Clyde
    @dfordoom


    If you watch the ABC you’ll find that their news programs, their dramas, their comedies, their science shows, their children’s shows, even their gardening shows, are pure propaganda....
     
    How can their PC drek hijack a gardening show? Though there was a radio gardening show where I live that was got me on the right track as far as planting/growing fruit trees. It broke up and went off the air. I later found out that one of the duo (two guys were hosting it) was very right wing, that they could not stand each other's politics.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @dfordoom

    How can their PC drek hijack a gardening show?

    Hire lesbians as hosts and turn everything into a lecture on global warming and the joys of raising mung beans. Then add some stuff about how indigenous peoples lived in harmony with the land until they got invaded by bad white people.

    The ABC is proof that absolutely every subject you can think of can be politicised.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @dfordoom


    Hire lesbians as hosts and turn everything into a lecture on global warming and the joys of raising mung beans. Then add some stuff about how indigenous peoples lived in harmony with the land until they got invaded by bad white people.

    The ABC is proof that absolutely every subject you can think of can be politicised.
     
    They only hire their own kind or same group think for these Government jobs. I had to check up at wiki to know for sure that your ABC is Government supported. Must be via your Federal gov't.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/04/28/business-traveller-kangaroo-route-qantas-evolution-a.cnn/video/playlists/intl-business-traveller/
  177. @Moses
    @Tusk

    There’s no doubt in my mind that the CPC’s long term strategic goal is to isolate Australia and render it a toothless vassal of China.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    There’s no doubt in my mind that the CPC’s long term strategic goal is to isolate Australia and render it a toothless vassal of China.

    At the moment we’re a toothless vassal of the US. On balance I’d prefer China to the US. I’m a bit tired of young Australians being sent off to fight America’s stupid senseless wars. And I’m a bit tired of drowning in a sea of American cultural degeneracy.

    Australia isn’t going to be an independent sovereign nation. We’re not strong enough. If we have to be someone’s vassal I’d prefer someone less crazy than the Americans.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @dfordoom


    Australia isn’t going to be an independent sovereign nation. We’re not strong enough. If we have to be someone’s vassal I’d prefer someone less crazy than the Americans.

     

    The Chinese are not exactly the most emotionally stable group of people....


    https://multimedia.scmp.com/cultural-revolution/images/article/225hei-bang-fen-zi-wang-yilun.jpg

    http://www.mexicanpictures.com/headingeast/images/tmpphpaFKcly.jpg



    https://multimedia.scmp.com/cultural-revolution/images/article/226struggle-session-dunce-hat.jpg


    http://www.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/li-zhensheng-featured.jpg
    , @Moses
    @dfordoom


    On balance I’d prefer China to the US.
     
    You may well get your wish.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  178. @Tusk
    @Moses

    I would rather Japan invaded us then instead of the Chinese now.

    Replies: @Moses, @J.Ross

    The Japanese of that time were completely different than the professional businessmen of the 80s.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @J.Ross


    The Japanese of that time were completely different than the professional businessmen of the 80s.
     
    You mean there's been a complete cultural change? But isn't that impossible, since genetics is everything?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  179. @Andy
    this happens also with native Americans in the US, compare a self-proclaimed native American today (I'm not talking about obvious frauds like Elizabeth Warren but native Americans living in reservations) with a photo of Geronimo or Sitting Bull or any other 19th century Indian. Obviously there were a lot of intermarriages with whites going on but eventually affirmative action made it convenient for someone hat, say, is 1/4th Indian to identify as Native American.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Tribes in the USA often enroll people as members who can prove just a 1/8 or 1/16 blood quantum.

  180. @J.Ross
    @Tusk

    The Japanese of that time were completely different than the professional businessmen of the 80s.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The Japanese of that time were completely different than the professional businessmen of the 80s.

    You mean there’s been a complete cultural change? But isn’t that impossible, since genetics is everything?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @dfordoom

    I don't see how any of that makes any sense. In fact, certain fundamentals of Japanese culture (say, deference to hierarchy, diligence, baths, tea, detail-orientation, quietly accepting suffering or boredom, alcoholism) are unchanged, and objective external accomplishment remains in the same ballpark (militarily conquering on an enormous scale swapped for commercial conquering on a bigger scale). But there were enormous changes, forcibly imposed by the shock of conquest and programmatically inculcated by occupying Americans (see John Dower's excellent Embracing Defeat).

  181. @dfordoom
    @J.Ross


    The Japanese of that time were completely different than the professional businessmen of the 80s.
     
    You mean there's been a complete cultural change? But isn't that impossible, since genetics is everything?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I don’t see how any of that makes any sense. In fact, certain fundamentals of Japanese culture (say, deference to hierarchy, diligence, baths, tea, detail-orientation, quietly accepting suffering or boredom, alcoholism) are unchanged, and objective external accomplishment remains in the same ballpark (militarily conquering on an enormous scale swapped for commercial conquering on a bigger scale). But there were enormous changes, forcibly imposed by the shock of conquest and programmatically inculcated by occupying Americans (see John Dower’s excellent Embracing Defeat).

  182. @dfordoom
    @Moses


    There’s no doubt in my mind that the CPC’s long term strategic goal is to isolate Australia and render it a toothless vassal of China.
     
    At the moment we're a toothless vassal of the US. On balance I'd prefer China to the US. I'm a bit tired of young Australians being sent off to fight America's stupid senseless wars. And I'm a bit tired of drowning in a sea of American cultural degeneracy.

    Australia isn't going to be an independent sovereign nation. We're not strong enough. If we have to be someone's vassal I'd prefer someone less crazy than the Americans.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Moses

    Australia isn’t going to be an independent sovereign nation. We’re not strong enough. If we have to be someone’s vassal I’d prefer someone less crazy than the Americans.

    The Chinese are not exactly the most emotionally stable group of people….

  183. anon[477] • Disclaimer says:
    @JMcG
    @anon

    It’s sad indeed. Compare and contrast the Royal Navy to the Kriegsmarine of 1940. I’ll wait. Now explain how the German invasion of the UK was to proceed. Please point out the manner in which the Germans tried to suppress the RN. Look at the result of the Dieppe Raid. Have a little sense.
    As to Australia; I quite agree that the Japanese aim was to interdict the supply line from the US. I know of no serious historian who has held that the Japanese were aiming to invade Australia. With what, for starters. The Japanese Army spent the War holed up in China, terrified that the Soviets might replay Khalkhin Gol.

    Replies: @Moses, @anon

    It’s sad indeed. Compare and contrast the Royal Navy to the Kriegsmarine of 1940. I’ll wait. Now explain how the German invasion of the UK was to proceed.

    Operation Sea Lion was not my plan, it was the Germans plan. Was it a good plan? Some German generals did not think so. Would it have worked? Probably not.

    The plan existed, which refutes your claim. That’s all I’m pointing out.

    As to Australia; I quite agree that the Japanese aim was to interdict the supply line from the US. I know of no serious historian who has held that the Japanese were aiming to invade Australia.

    The first version of the Greater East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere included Wake island as an east side outpost. In 1942 the Japanese command decided to invade Midway and the Aleutian islands. If the battle of Coral Sea had gone their way and taken Port Moresby, we cannot know what would have followed. Perhaps a purely defensive perimeter, perhaps an opportunistic push into far northern Australia purely for the disruptive effects.

    The Japanese Army spent the War holed up in China, terrified that the Soviets might replay Khalkhin Gol.

    Lol. So who were all those troops invading and occupying Burma, Malaysia, the Philippines, parts of New Guinea, the Solomons, Truk, Guam, Peleilu, Formosa, parts of China, Manchuria, etc. and so forth?

    Precision in writing is not one of your strong points. Perhaps when you get out of college you can learn to write mo’ bettah?

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @anon

    Two thirds of the IJA was in China or on the Mongolian Border throughout the war.
    No need for insults.

  184. @dfordoom
    @Moses


    There’s no doubt in my mind that the CPC’s long term strategic goal is to isolate Australia and render it a toothless vassal of China.
     
    At the moment we're a toothless vassal of the US. On balance I'd prefer China to the US. I'm a bit tired of young Australians being sent off to fight America's stupid senseless wars. And I'm a bit tired of drowning in a sea of American cultural degeneracy.

    Australia isn't going to be an independent sovereign nation. We're not strong enough. If we have to be someone's vassal I'd prefer someone less crazy than the Americans.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Moses

    On balance I’d prefer China to the US.

    You may well get your wish.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Moses



    On balance I’d prefer China to the US.
     
    You may well get your wish.
     
    I hope so. As China grows stronger and stronger it's likely that many US allies will jump ship and join the winning team. And the US will have only itself to blame. It has treated its "allies" with contempt.
  185. @JMcG
    @Moses

    Thanks for the Wikipedia summary, but the scholarship has moved on. See Wilford’s Decoding Pearl Harbor for a fifteen year old view. Let me repeat. There was no threat of a Japanese invasion of Australia nor of a German Invasion of England and anyone with any power to make strategic decisions knew so at the time.

    Replies: @Moses

    There was no threat of a Japanese invasion of Australia nor of a German Invasion of England and anyone with any power to make strategic decisions knew so at the time.

    Your time-traveling mind-reading powers are incredible! You see inside the minds of leaders in 1942, know not only what they knew, but their conclusions and beliefs as well!

    Amazing.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Moses

    As to the Pacific - Nimitz’s words, not mine. As to England, Churchill was moving valuable units out of England in the summer of 1940.
    It’s all out there to read. Not so amazing.

  186. @Moses
    @JMcG


    There was no threat of a Japanese invasion of Australia nor of a German Invasion of England and anyone with any power to make strategic decisions knew so at the time.
     
    Your time-traveling mind-reading powers are incredible! You see inside the minds of leaders in 1942, know not only what they knew, but their conclusions and beliefs as well!

    Amazing.

    Replies: @JMcG

    As to the Pacific – Nimitz’s words, not mine. As to England, Churchill was moving valuable units out of England in the summer of 1940.
    It’s all out there to read. Not so amazing.

  187. @anon
    @JMcG

    It’s sad indeed. Compare and contrast the Royal Navy to the Kriegsmarine of 1940. I’ll wait. Now explain how the German invasion of the UK was to proceed.

    Operation Sea Lion was not my plan, it was the Germans plan. Was it a good plan? Some German generals did not think so. Would it have worked? Probably not.

    The plan existed, which refutes your claim. That's all I'm pointing out.

    As to Australia; I quite agree that the Japanese aim was to interdict the supply line from the US. I know of no serious historian who has held that the Japanese were aiming to invade Australia.

    The first version of the Greater East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere included Wake island as an east side outpost. In 1942 the Japanese command decided to invade Midway and the Aleutian islands. If the battle of Coral Sea had gone their way and taken Port Moresby, we cannot know what would have followed. Perhaps a purely defensive perimeter, perhaps an opportunistic push into far northern Australia purely for the disruptive effects.

    The Japanese Army spent the War holed up in China, terrified that the Soviets might replay Khalkhin Gol.

    Lol. So who were all those troops invading and occupying Burma, Malaysia, the Philippines, parts of New Guinea, the Solomons, Truk, Guam, Peleilu, Formosa, parts of China, Manchuria, etc. and so forth?

    Precision in writing is not one of your strong points. Perhaps when you get out of college you can learn to write mo' bettah?

    Replies: @JMcG

    Two thirds of the IJA was in China or on the Mongolian Border throughout the war.
    No need for insults.

  188. @Moses
    @dfordoom


    On balance I’d prefer China to the US.
     
    You may well get your wish.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    On balance I’d prefer China to the US.

    You may well get your wish.

    I hope so. As China grows stronger and stronger it’s likely that many US allies will jump ship and join the winning team. And the US will have only itself to blame. It has treated its “allies” with contempt.

  189. Another inferior to everyone, Caucasian trash asshole’s bigotry and racism gets shot down. AWESOME !!!!

    • Replies: @Moses
    @Ides of March

    Tiny Duck does it better.

  190. @dfordoom
    @Clyde


    How can their PC drek hijack a gardening show?
     
    Hire lesbians as hosts and turn everything into a lecture on global warming and the joys of raising mung beans. Then add some stuff about how indigenous peoples lived in harmony with the land until they got invaded by bad white people.

    The ABC is proof that absolutely every subject you can think of can be politicised.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Hire lesbians as hosts and turn everything into a lecture on global warming and the joys of raising mung beans. Then add some stuff about how indigenous peoples lived in harmony with the land until they got invaded by bad white people.

    The ABC is proof that absolutely every subject you can think of can be politicised.

    They only hire their own kind or same group think for these Government jobs. I had to check up at wiki to know for sure that your ABC is Government supported. Must be via your Federal gov’t.

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/04/28/business-traveller-kangaroo-route-qantas-evolution-a.cnn/video/playlists/intl-business-traveller/

  191. @Lot
    @Ray Huffman

    Trump called out these race faking scammers decades ago. Actual Indian on Pine Ridge living in dire poverty while fake Indians cash in on white guilt:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2016/10/31/10384dc3e03c434f847596a0988ffc49_18.jpg

    https://lakotawaldorfschool.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/garden.jpg

    Replies: @Anon, @Clyde

    Trump called out these race faking scammers decades ago

    The video is on youtube. This was at US House of Representatives hearing about Indian casinos back in the 1993. Trump says “They don’t look like Indians to me. In fact they don’t look like Indians to Indians”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/they-dont-look-like-indians-to-me-donald-trump-on-native-american-casinos-in-1993/2016/07/01/20736038-3fd4-11e6-9e16-4cf01a41decb_video.html

    Also on you tube but am not going to look for it

  192. @Ides of March
    Another inferior to everyone, Caucasian trash asshole's bigotry and racism gets shot down. AWESOME !!!!

    Replies: @Moses

    Tiny Duck does it better.

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