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From the American Civil Liberties Union:

From 1984:

O’Brien was looking down at him speculatively. More than ever he had the air of a teacher taking pains with a wayward but promising child.

‘There is a Party slogan dealing with the control of the past,’ he said. ‘Repeat it, if you please.’

‘“Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past,”’ repeated Winston obediently.

‘“Who controls the present controls the past,”’ said O’Brien, nodding his head with slow approval. ‘Is it your opinion, Winston, that the past has real existence?’

Again the feeling of helplessness descended upon Winston. His eyes flitted towards the dial. He not only did not know whether ‘yes’ or ‘no’ was the answer that would save him from pain; he did not even know which answer he believed to be the true one.

O’Brien smiled faintly. ‘You are no metaphysician, Winston,’ he said. ‘Until this moment you had never considered what is meant by existence. I will put it more precisely. Does the past exist concretely, in space? Is there somewhere or other a place, a world of solid objects, where the past is still happening?’

‘No.’

‘Then where does the past exist, if at all?’

‘In records. It is written down.’

‘In records. And ——?’

‘In the mind. In human memories.’

‘In memory. Very well, then. We, the Party, control all records, and we control all memories. Then we control the past, do we not?’

‘But how can you stop people remembering things?’ cried Winston again momentarily forgetting the dial. ‘It is involuntary. It is outside oneself. How can you control memory? You have not controlled mine!’

O’Brien’s manner grew stern again. He laid his hand on the dial.

‘On the contrary,’ he said, ‘YOU have not controlled it. That is what has brought you here. You are here because you have failed in humility, in self-discipline. You would not make the act of submission which is the price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one. Only the disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane.’

He paused for a few moments, as though to allow what he had been saying to sink in.

‘Do you remember,’ he went on, ‘writing in your diary, “Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four”?’

‘Yes,’ said Winston.

O’Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

‘How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?’

‘Four.’

‘And if the party says that it is not four but five — then how many?’

‘Four.’

The word ended in a gasp of pain.

 
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  1. Dumbo says:

    I think this support of “trans men/women” by the Left will end up biting them in the proverbial ass, because they will lose the support of men (which self-respecting man likes this stuff?) but also of women, who are going to compete with “trans men” in sport, jobs, education, etc (and lose).

    On the other hand, I don’t know, lots of people have supported lots of things that go against their own interest just because propaganda said so.

    Interestingly, in this Sprite commercial with teen drag queens, you see mostly (single) mothers, and the only father (?) present doesn’t seem too happy about it.

    • Replies: @getaclue
  2. Currahee says:

    Liberals have always confused me (as to why they say what they do).

    Back in the Cold War days, I came to the conclusion that most of them were communists because that was the only possible explanation for their views.

    Today, post Cold War, I am still confused.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  3. J.Ross says:

    ACLU flat out said it wanted to alter the Constitution years ago — was it “hate speech”? Something about guns? I forget exactly what and when. But anyone who claims to be concerned with American rights after that has nothing to say. This is like measuring the Titanic’s penetration of mud.
    ——-
    Not completely related but similar: now that numerous top Hollywood directors have complained about the stranglehold of comic book movies on the industry, Alan Moore — the universal go-to candidate for number one comic book creator (for folks who dislike Grant Morrison) — has issued some kind of papal bull. Unusually for him, it’s in text and not a comic book. But it turns out that comic book writer Alan Moore pretty much agrees with what everybody else was saying about fixating on comics being a societally bad thing. And he’s right, of course. I’m not sure if he was saying this ten or twenty years ago. To his credit, he did resist movie versions of his own creations, for a while.

  4. Currahee says:

    Liberals have always confused me as to how they could hold the positions that they do.

    Back in the days of the Cold War, I came to the conclusion that most of them were communists; because that seemed the likely and, often, the only possible logical explanation.

    The Cold War is long gone.

    Liberals still confuse me.

  5. This is nothing but large-scale face boot-stamping, plain and simple.

    • Agree: Patrick in SC
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @JohnnyD
  6. Once upon a time, the ACLU was to be respected. That time isn’t now.

  7. The ACLU is just another institution that has to be put out of its, and our, misery.

  8. Abraham Lincoln supposedly asked, “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a horse have?”

    When the person answered “five,” Lincoln said, “No, four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it one.”

    • Agree: Old Prude, TWS
    • LOL: XYZ (no Mr.)
    • Replies: @thomasblair
  9. @ScarletNumber

    They were the good guys defending the First Amendment for all, defending Nazis who intended to march in Skokie a heavily jewish suburb of Chicago as a provocation, everyone. Then they got “woke” discovered something called Hate Speech. When did that happen? Who made it happen? Was it collective insanity?

    • Replies: @Mycale
    , @Ragno
  10. Andy says:

    For the left, Nineteen Eighty Four is not a precautionary tale but an instruction’s manual

  11. e102 says:

    I don’t see why this is totalitarian. The ACLU supports civil liberties. For them, being able to freely choose your gender identity target then having it be defined by the state is one such liberty. This is hardly comparable to a police state which tortures dissidents.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
  12. Michael S says:
    @ScarletNumber

    The ACLU was never to be respected. It began as a the legal defense organ of the Communist party, and hasn’t changed much since then.

    • Replies: @Alden
  13. Cortes says:

    The War Nerd/Dolan on

    St George Orwell vis a vis O’Brien isn’t 100% correct.

    Maybe 99.75%

    https://exiledonline.com/big-brothers-george-orwell-and-christopher-hitchens-exposed/

  14. J.Ross says:
    @Currahee

    Like any Marxist they have an alternate set of definitions.

  15. Clearly we have entered the realm where fair is foul, foul is fair, and lies are counted as truth. What is really striking is the straight face with which these ridiculous statements are delivered. Meaningful dialogue is impossible when the authors of such statements really believe this bullshit. The excerpt from 1984 is quite apt.

  16. Jack D says:

    O’Brien silenced him by a movement of his hand. ‘We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation — anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.’

    • Agree: Moses
    • Replies: @Global citizen
  17. Beliavsky says:

    I can sort of understand why a deluded feminist might claim that “women are just as good in military combat as men”, since people like to feel good about their group and its capabilities. But why would a man want to say he has “the curse”?

  18. A123 says:
    @Currahee

    Liberals have always confused me as to how they could hold the positions that they do.

    You are not the only one, but perhaps I can shed some light.

    — The classic small “l” liberal is well educated. Hence the reason the term “liberal arts” originally existed. Studying Western Civilizations, the ancient Romans and Greeks, sheds light on where our current modes of thought and government come from.
    — Big “L” Liberals are the opposite. They do not want well rounded, classical, liberal thought. They are authoritarians who want conformist behavior with minimal thought.

    Alas, there is no easy way to fix the damage they have inflicted on language. The best we can do is use language as clearly as possible.

    — Always use the full group name, The Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa, to make it clear that Antifa is a fascist organization.
    — Always call the authoritarian left “Authoritarian”. Never use their deceptive term “Liberal”.

    PEACE 😇

  19. songbird says:

    Makes me miss the crazy old days of the ACLU. When, for instance, they would assert that people in wheelchairs were oppressed, even if nobody broke their backs.

  20. Polynikes says:
    @ScarletNumber

    I don’t know if respected is the right word. They did some good, for sure. Some. But was it ever more than the harm the caused?

    “Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm; but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.”

    —T.S. Eliot

  21. @Jack D

    Examples of science as currently practiced:

    Race does not exist.
    AGW is real.
    Gender is a social construct.

    Science had merit while it lasted. Now all is a social construct called vanity.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Paul Rise
  22. The ACLU will make this assertion and, most likely, this will be the respectable consensus view going forward. A few months from now they’ll make an equally bizarre assertion and that too will reflect the new reality.

    This institutional insanity will not end without a major crisis. Until then, this stuff will just get worse. It’s out of our hands and always has been.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  23. Atown says:

    1984 had a burst of popularity in liberal circles after Trump got elected. I assume some of them actually read the book instead of just carrying it around as a fashion accessory. So I’m just trying to wrap my head around how they read the above package as something like:
    O’Brien: How many genders are there?
    Winston: At least 26, but it could be thousands there isn’t an exact number yet. I remember there have been some large number of genders since the beginning of history.
    O’Brien: And if Donald Drumpf says there are 2 genders, then how many?
    Winston: Orange man ba–AHhhhhh

    • Replies: @Kronos
  24. A123 says:

    For a true 1984 experience, jump to about 2:30 on this clip:

    It is from the Babylon 5 Episode “Intersections in Real Time” (Season 4). The show is the best Sci-Fi TV ever (for Seasons 2 thru 4).

    However, the streaming quality is problematic versus the DVD releases. If you decide you like the series, and you will, you can obtain the entire run at a reasonable price.

    PEACE 😇

  25. Ian Smith says:

    I think they’re making a mistake here. I think that it was easy for many people, including conservatives, to accept the idea that trans people should be free of discrimination and mistreatment. Saying that men can have periods or that tranny penis shouldn’t be ‘coded as male’ is at best bemusing and how worst disgusting and infuriating.

  26. I want to see who believes this by race.

    • Agree: Mr McKenna
  27. @Currahee

    Liberals still confuse me.

    O’Brien is not a liberal. He’s a progressive.

    We are the liberals.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    , @ben tillman
  28. Yep, Steve, you’ve got it right. It’s not any burning compassion for the nutcase ex-men that gets the ACLU writing tweets like this. They want to make sure that we’re on completely onboard with 2 + 2 equalling 5 when the time comes.

  29. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    The Acloo hasn’t mattered in decades. They are a cigarette butt to grind under one’s heel, nothing more.

  30. @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    It’s a valiant effort on their part, but see, unlike in 1984, they don’t have the monopoly on weapons yet, they don’t have the room to hold us, and they don’t have the rat cages set up yet. Let’s try to keep it this way.

    As stupid as all this stuff is, nobody has to receive tweets from these O’Brien wanna-bees, nobody has yet told me what I have to say about this genderbender or any other kind of BS in vogue, and I don’t care about people calling me names. They are past 1984 levels of stupidity, but just let them enforce it!

  31. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a war!

    But it’s not new. The left is at war with every society. The war never ends but the tactics evolve depending on where you are in the cycle.

    Our shitty elders have prepared the current environment. Traitor leftists and conservative cowards have brought us to the brink. It took about 150 years to get here.

    Jeez who hasn’t figured it out yet. The aggression and animus is warlike. The war just hasn’t gone hot yet.

    Who doesn’t know a few “nice liberals” who no longer believe in political debate. Who don’t believe in any dissent. They are everywhere.

    That’s a recipe for W-A-R.

  32. Anonymous[694] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @Lurker
  33. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    People who believe stuff like this have profound psychological urge to belong to a cult. They are emotionally very weak and very dependent on having the good opinions of others. If their friends jumped off a cliff, they’d jump too. Dictatorial political philosophies appeal to them because they find psychological comfort in not having to think, they just parrot everyone else. This is why they used to be communists. That sort of totalitarianism appeals to them because its philosophy regulates every aspect of their lives. They want their lives to be totally regulated by an authority, and they suffer acute psychological distress at the thought that they might indulge in Wrongthink.

    I’ve said it before. Liberals are mainly descendants of New England Puritans. The Puritan society during its classic period-say the 1600s-was an austere cult that regulated you totally in word, thought, and deed, and policed every member of the community. Communism did the exact same thing, which is why it appealed to the descendants of the Puritans. Present-day New England liberals still have the same psychological makeup of their Puritan ancestors in the 1600s (plus the same tendency to put on Witch Trials), and as long as New Englanders are with us, they’ll keep joining crazy cults.

  34. It’s as if Orwell wrote a “How To” guide for the western leftist/Marxist/communist.

    What’s alarming is that despite his work, so many weak minded decent people succumb to the lies and manipulations of the true Party members and their posse of freaks.

  35. Searched for alternatives to the ACLU in duckduckgo, one of the top hits was a YouTube link that sounded promising:

    A Freedom Based Alternative to The ACLU and SPLC Announced …

    Clicked to find “this video has been removed”. Seems like a metaphor of some kind.

    • LOL: El Dato
  36. @Reg Cæsar

    O’Brien is not a liberal. He’s a progressive.

    We are the liberals.

    Unfortunately, because we ceded control of language via education and media to them, we are whatever they decide to call us today whether “homo or trans-phobic,” “right wing,” “far right,” “fascist,” or “racist.”

    If you want to restore the original meaning of “liberal” you first must reassert control of education and media.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  37. Cato says:
    @Currahee

    Liberals have always confused me as to how they could hold the positions that they do.

    I’ve thought about this, and I’ve decided that liberal success is due to the relative homogeneity of liberals, compared to conservatives. Since liberals are pretty much alike, they stick together pretty well, supporting each other, and achieve power more easily. Conservatives are more fragmented — libertarians hate each other, as do the various denominations of religious conservatives, and lots of neoconservatives think their biggest enemies are other neocons. So, it kinda shows that, for conservatives anyway, diversity is not ones greatest strength.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Bill B.
    , @dfordoom
  38. Spud Boy says:

    If gender is a social construct, is species a social construct? What if I feel like a cat tomorrow?

  39. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    If their friends jumped off a cliff, they’d jump too.

    But first, they would rush around demanding everyone else jump too, and pushing people over the edge. Because “equality” and “justice” or something.

  40. J.Ross says:

    Here’s something for the NuACLU:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/nyregion/syracuse-manifesto-racism-fraternity.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

    Some[one] at Syracuse university is [presumably] browsing [4chan] and doing [statements which would be ignored or forgotten in any saner age]. It’s gotten so bad that federal agents have shown up to the university to find someone who keeps writing [a euphemism for a gentleman of African cultiral enrichment].

    “This triggered a panic,” said Chandler Plante, a third-year magazine journalism major. “We can’t sleep. We can’t think.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @dfordoom
  41. newrouter says:

    >Men who get their periods are men.

    Men who get pregnant and give birth are men.<

    The Green Grocer says take a hike:

    http://mrdivis.yolasite.com/resources/Vaclav%20Havel's%20Power%20of%20the%20Powerless.pdf

    • Replies: @newrouter
  42. Moses says:

    One of my favorite bits from 1984:

    ‘The second thing for you to realize is that power is power over human beings. Over the body — but, above all, over the mind. Power over matter — external reality, as you would call it — is not important. Already our control over matter is absolute.’

    For a moment Winston ignored the dial. He made a violent effort to raise himself into a sitting position, and merely succeeded in wrenching his body painfully.

    ‘But how can you control matter?’ he burst out. ‘You don’t even control the climate or the law of gravity. And there are disease, pain, death ——’

    O’Brien silenced him by a movement of his hand. ‘We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation — anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.’

    ACLU:

    Men who get their periods are men.

    Men who get pregnant and give birth are men.

    “Men.”

    Reality is inside the skull indeed.

  43. JohnnyD says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

    Instead of a boot stomping on your face, it’s a trans-man’s high heel.

    • LOL: Rob McX
    • Replies: @IC
  44. The linguist, hyperpolyglot, and concerned conservative Mario Pei collected a lot of this nonsense in Weasel Words, published in 1978, the year he died:

    Not all the episodes are funny. In states that have passed ERA, and even a few that haven’t, strange things can happen by reason of local laws, some because of HEW [= HHS] interpretations of how sexual “discrimination” is to be avoided. In South Carolina, Clover High School has traditionally crowned its homecoming queen as “Miss Blue Eagle”; this had to be discontinued because HEW decided that it is sexual discrimination to hold the contest for females only. Is the answer to add a “Mr. Blue Eagle” contest? Not even HEW knows. There is the well-publicized episode of the prohibition to hold “father-son” or “mother-daughter” celebrations in state-supported schools.

    Now, 41 years later, it’s not only still around, it’s planting itself in the soil.

    Sorry, Dr. Pei, you can’t win by being “conservative”. You have to be proactively reactionary. We should have pushed back. Hard.

    Pei once served as an assistant in the Italian consulate in Albany. N.Y. Of this, he writes:

    The consular agent was a kindly, cultured man with a long white beard, to whom the local Italians working on the railroad came for advice on all sorts of problems. One came in one day and told the agent, “On the day of the feast of Saint Anthony my wife ran away, and I haven’t heard from her since. What should I do? Dr. Baccelli smiled benignly, stroked his beard, and replied, “My boy, go light a candle to Saint Anthony, to whose intercession with God you owe this favor from Heaven.”

    Saint Anthony, of course, is the patron of Italians. And of lost objects, as well. Speaking of which:

    • Agree: Tusk
    • Replies: @Bill B.
  45. JohnnyD says:

    Will the ACLU defend your right to say that only women can give birth and have periods?

    • Replies: @TWS
  46. newrouter says:
    @newrouter

    >The post-totalitarian system touches people at every step, but it does so with its ideological gloves on. This is why life in the system is so thoroughly permeated with hypocrisy and lies: government by bureaucracy is called popular government; the working class is enslaved in the name of the working class; the complete degradation of the individual is presented as his ultimate liberation; depriving people of in formation is called making it available; the use of power to manipulate is called the public control of power, and the arbitrary abuse of power is called observing the legal code; the repression of culture is called its development; the expansion of imperial influence is presented as support for the oppressed; the lack of free expression becomes the highest form of freedom; farcical elections become the highest form of democracy; banning independent thought becomes the most scientific of world views; military occupation becomes fraternal assistance. Because the regime is captive to its own lies, it must falsify everything. It falsifies the past. It falsifies the present, and it falsifies the future. It falsifies statistics. It pretends not to possess an omnipotent and unprincipled police apparatus. It pretends to respect human rights. It pretends to persecute no one. It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing.<

  47. @Currahee

    You. Are ancient of course you don’t understand

    You are too dang old

    Conservatives find it really hard to discuss topics they don’t agree with nor understand…

    Trans people exist, we learn A LOT about it on medical classes

    if you don’t hear about it, you need to study a little more

    they will keep existing, whatever you think about it

  48. @Anon

    Liberals take their behavioral cues from Western Europe. A basic rule of thumb is whatever dumb idea whips the Brits into a frenzy, 10 years later it shows up here. We’re right on schedule with gender dysphoria.

  49. @Anon

    Present-day New England liberals still have the same psychological makeup of their Puritan ancestors in the 1600s

    Admit it. Your real problem with New England is that it’s too white:

    https://statisticalatlas.com/division/New-England/Race-and-Ethnicity

    And dared vote against your hero FDR (the anti-Yankee Yankee), not once, but four times:

    And against the Sixteenth Amendment, as well. Those anarchists!

    Al Smith carried Massachusetts in 1928, when Herbert Hoover swept the more civilized portions of the land. James Michael Curley, the Marion Barry of his day, was elected mayor of Boston four times, once from a jail cell. He succeeded one “Honey Fitz”, first elected in 1906. (You might be familiar with his grandsons.)

    If you think Puritans have controlled New England at any time in your lifetime, you need to start cracking the history books. The modern capture of rural New England by academics and goat-farmers dates only from 1992:

    https://www.americamagazine.org/content/unconventional-wisdom/how-red-and-blue-map-evolved-over-past-century

    It’s still easier to get a carry permit in Maine and Vermont that it is in South Carolina. Just step into the state.

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  50. @Beliavsky

    But why would a man want to say he has “the curse”?

    A long position in Procter & Gamble? I dunno …

  51. question i always struggle with re: Transy stuff…

    it seems obvious that gender dysmorphia is similar to body dysmorphia, in that it’s a psychological ailment representing as a deeply held, objectively false belief (in the same way that an anorexic constantly thinks they’re obese even as they risk starving to death)

    however: why is it fair to call Trans people psychologically afflicted, when we accept that Homosexuality is genuine? we now almost completely accept that conversion therapy and the like don’t work for Homosexuals, and removed it (correctly imo) from the DSM as a mental illness.

    so what’s the difference? why is one a mental illness and the other a genuine physical condition?

    i struggle to answer this sufficiently even as i am quite convinced it is true.

  52. @Global citizen

    Gender is a social construct.

    Gender is a linguistic construct. That’s why the gender of someone or something depends on which country it’s in.

    Social construct itself is feminine in Spanish and Russian, masculine in Welsh, abstract in Zulu, neuter in Greek and German.

    But it’s not neuter in Danish or Dutch, it’s “common”. And neuterness. neutrality, whatever, tends to carry over into the other Germanic tongues in most cases. But not this one.

    Construct is a Latin word. But they didn’t use it that way in Rome, so maybe that’s why its gender is confused just within Europe.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  53. @Stan d Mute

    There are a lot of meanings for liberal. I know of none that fits progressives.

  54. Perhaps the ACLU simply forgot to consult Mr. Lebowski?

  55. @Reg Cæsar

    O’Brien is not a liberal. He’s a progressive.

    We are the liberals.

    No, we are the progressives. Human progress depends on protecting what is built and those who build it.

    • Troll: Cagey Beast
    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
  56. @Spud Boy

    If gender is a social construct, is species a social construct? What if I feel like a cat tomorrow?

    You’re overlooking the bigotry of the absence of cats on the Supreme Court.

  57. Paul says:

    The totalitarian mindset, such as that of the ACLU, tries to control language and alter meanings. George Orwell took note of that.

  58. Kronos says:
    @Atown

    I assume some of them actually read the book instead of just carrying it around as a fashion accessory.

    That’s the “Handmaiden’s Tale.” So many chicks never read the book but watched the TV series. 1984 is often required reading in High School. So everyone kinda understands the idea and provides a common thread.

    But you do have these chicks that really are 95 IQ borderline but went to College. Thus this pop culture stuff really is a fashion statement.

  59. Altai [AKA "Altai_4"] says:
    @Beliavsky

    They don’t. Normal men and normal White men especially are totally absent from any of this, they stay quiet and don’t say anything but slowly they’re starting to turn into Vince Vaughn and Mel Gibson at the Oscars.

    And for this, I, for one, welcome the transgender madness. It’s perfectly illustrative that this madness is immune to any sanity checks and will never stop unless it’s stopped. The only pullback I can remember is the quiet abandonment of gender fluid pronouns like ‘Xir’/’Xe’/’Zir’ since they were just too much of Tumblr IRL and the number of them made it impossible to train normies to use them.

    They now just insist on ‘They’, shockingly without anyone apparently killing themselves over the invalidation of their ‘Zir’ pronoun by their own community.

  60. Altai [AKA "Altai_4"] says:
    @Anon

    TL;DR:
    They have BPD. (And often a few other things comorbid as well) Why can’t we just admit this? They telegram this through every facet of their being. Once social media became dominant and most of the web was conducted with real names this mass breakout of hysteria was inevitable but the rest of society listening and feeding the BPD was not.

  61. Why is the Left squandering its social legitimacy on this silly issue?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Jack Henson
  62. Duke84 says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Where’s the award for Julie Swetnick? She was brutally assaulted at a high school gang rape party.

  63. El Dato says:
    @Cato

    Neocons are the ultra-left for Israel.

  64. El Dato says:
    @J.Ross

    “This triggered a panic,” said Chandler Plante, a third-year magazine journalism major. “We can’t sleep. We can’t think.”

    A “journalism major” ready to take on a meaningless churnalism job in some office buidling, transcribing messages from Integrity Initiatives into prolefeed copy.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
  65. El Dato says:
    @Dick Peters

    I’m sure there are, Little Tiny Dick Peters.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  66. Bill B. says:
    @Cato

    Since liberals are pretty much alike, they stick together pretty well, supporting each other, and achieve power more easily.

    Liberals do not have to be right in the sense of describing reality or using common sense. They merely mouth verbal shibboleths. It is a strong structure, at least in the formative phase.

    Conservatives, certainly in the Anglo-sphere, used to be able to use ridicule to undermine these structures but then the liberals captured the cultural high ground and forbad ridicule of the good people.

  67. @Reg Cæsar

    You’re being very spergy this evening.
    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  68. Ano says:

    Somehow I think the ACLU will wind up regretting this tweet, when in 2020…

    KKK klansmen and American Nazi Party members all come out as trans and start organising a torchlit march in the Castro district.

    Councillors and aldermen across the country run as non-binary mayoral candidates, and, once elected, start putting up Christmas trees and nativity scenes in public places, such as Dearborn town square.

    Charlton Heston rises from the grave as Caitlyn Heston and is re-elected NRA president.

    Think this is far-fetched? What do you think this is? 2018?

  69. Bill B. says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    you can’t win by being “conservative”. You have to be proactively reactionary.

    This is true and extremely important.

  70. @Dick Peters

    Tiny Duck (Peter Johnson): Is that you again?

  71. Lurker says:
    @Anonymous

    Plus his employment of the redundant ‘so’ at the beginning.

  72. Rob McX says:

    Strangely enough, this is the same organisation that would stop any public school teaching the doctrine of the virgin birth.

  73. Rob McX says:

    Meanwhile, in England…

    Man investigated by police for retweeting transgender limerick

    Even by the insane standards we’ve become accustomed to, this article provides some gems of wokeness.

    Even though no crime was committed, sharing the limerick online was recorded as a ‘hate incident’.

    PC Mansoor Gul told Mr Miller: “I’ve been on a course and what you need to understand is that you can have a foetus with a female brain that grows male body parts and that’s what a transgender person is.”

    After Mr Miller questioned why the complainant was being described as a “victim” if no crime had been committed, the officer told him: “We need to check your thinking”.

    The complainant had managed to identify Mr Miller’s place of work, despite there being no reference to his business or his full identity on his Twitter account. As part of the complaint to police it was alleged the firm was an ‘unsafe environment’ for transgender employees because of Mr Miller’s comments on social media.

  74. Paul Rise says:
    @Global citizen

    Gender is a social construct. I have no problem if someone wants to say that a man who has castrated himself and wears sundresses and female cosmetics has feminine qualities.

    But sex isnt gender – that man – or I might say, that poor man, who is crazy, and found a fallen clinician to pay him 10s of thousands of dollars to mutilate and sterilize him – is still a man, and people have been disciplined in the workplace for not calling him a man, even in casual reference. Note that some who have erred usually did play along with the charade, and just “slipped up” and identified the person by their true sex once or twice.

    It’s because of that, and the horror that children might be enduring these tortures, that one hopes the GOP works to outlaw these permanent treatments for children and anyone undergoing psychiatric care.

  75. 1984 couldn’t be published today, so stockpile your copies. Will be like KMac’s Culture of Critique series. Too threatening to the Deep State Rats’ SJW agenda.

    But even w/o the obvious influence it might not happen. Huge concentration of trigglypuffs in publishing would find it:

    Too honest
    Too threatening
    Too entertaining
    Too unPC
    Too articulate
    Too oblivious to PC
    Too Tall!!!!

  76. Rahan says:

    If gender is a social construct, how can some people be “born this way” with the desire for lipstick and stockings, even when in a male body?

    How can wanting to exhibit cliche female behavior characteristics be something you’re “born with”, if female behavior characteristics are a social construct?

    Unless they mean that some people “are born” with the overwhelming desire to conform to the behavior characteristics of the other sex?

    Something very slapdash about the whole philosophical construct…

  77. Mr. Anon says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Once upon a time, the ACLU was to be respected. That time isn’t now.

    That time was never. They are and have always been an explicitly left-wing organization. They fought for rights they thought would be useful to them and their fellow travelers. They didn’t fight for rights for you.

  78. Mr. Anon says:
    @Currahee

    “Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”

    ― George Orwell, 1984

  79. @Paul Mendez

    I prefer Tyler Durden’s formulation:

    Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

  80. TWS says:
    @JohnnyD

    Apparently not. But that’s okay because you’re a hater and a bigot anyway.

  81. @ben tillman

    Uggggh! Sorry but being this pedantic counts as trolling.

  82. @Dick Peters

    Did you pick that nom de Steve all by yourself, or did Tiny Duck help you?

  83. MikeCLT says:

    Unfortunately, the Democrats view 1984 as a “how to” manual rather than a warning.

  84. Thea says:

    Mark Richardson at Oz conservative has been the most articulate and philosophical as to how liberalism leads to this insanity.

    Liberalism seems like a good idea at first but it relies on the notion of everyone being self defined ionized atoms that bounce around doing whatever thought pops into their head. Being unconstrained and self defined is viewed as the highest good to aim for ( rather than serving God or your fellow man or family.) since biological sex is not chosen it needs to not matter.

    There are no breaks on liberalism so as long as society embraces this ideology we are in for more and stranger pronouncements like this.

  85. @El Dato

    ‘Magazine journalism?’ Is he going to work at the Saturday Evening Post?

  86. @Anon

    Interesting idea there. Particularly since the Puritans were not the sexual prudes as painted, but more of the twisted sexuality seen in the Communist movements. And of course the Bolsheviks were a Millennialist cult as well. These ‘End of Days is Coming’ types can be quite dangerous when banded together, as history has demonstrated time and time again. Ask any first responder on the dangers of suicidal individuals, and then imagine a political grouping. Then imagine said group coming to power. Gulags and mass executions are the result. Funny how the world keeps turning though.

    • Replies: @anon
  87. @Reg Cæsar

    Lots of pick-ups, confederate flags, etc., up in the Berkshires. Except around the lakes.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @Alden
  88. J.Ross says:
    @El Dato

    >we learn a lot about it on medical classes
    They are informed greatly, regarding medical education, by trans people? What? If it’s the reverse, what physiological function regarding wearing the wrong clothes merits class time, let alone “a lot”? I’m guessing there’s one brief note warning that, in an emergency and with a non-responsive patient presenting as one gender, you should bear in mind that they may be hiding something.
    ———-
    Imagine putting up a disappearing iceberg of geld to build an astroturf fake movement, and the goniff in charge starts talking about how there’s nothing special about the Holocaust, and the Germans should change their laws regarding discussing it. He’s British, of course, because if he were German himself he’d be arrested.

    https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2019-11/extinction-rebellion-co-founder-roger-hallam-holocaust

    Germany is enraged and Carola Rackete distances herself from him.

    The Extinction Rebellion founder says genocides are “like a regular event” in history. Hallam tells DIE ZEIT the Germans’ attitude to the Holocaust is holding them back.

    Roger Hallam, co-founder of Extinction Rebellion, has said the Holocaust was “just another fuckery in human history”.

    Hallam believes the Germans’ attitude towards the Holocaust is holding them back. “The extremity of a trauma can create a paralysis in actually learning the lessons from it”, he told the German weekly DIE ZEIT in an interview.

    Talking to DIE ZEIT, the 53-year-old British citizen referenced the Holocaust several times. The “fact of the matter is, millions of people have been killed in vicious circumstances on a regular basis throughout history”, Hallam said. He cites, for example, the Belgians, who “went to the Congo in the late 19th century and decimated it”.

    He notes that genocides have happened repeatedly over the past five centuries: “In fact, you might say it is like a regular event.”

  89. Mycale says:
    @Anonymouse

    The ACLU spent decades using the First Amendment as a vector to promote disease and decay in American society. Pornography, ethnic violence masquerading as activism, animal torture videos, Hollywood filth – all First Amendment protected now now. Defending the FBI masquerading as the KKK was always just theatre.

    With the job almost done, it’s not necessary to pretend to believe in it anymore. The last thing they will do is let their opponents use the same First Amendment to speak out against them and the degenerate society their First Amendment cases have allowed.

  90. orionyx says:
    @Beliavsky

    You’ve got it the wrong way around. It’s not a man saying he has the curse, it’s a woman with the curse saying she’s a man. Being temporarily forcibly reminded that she’s not, she has to try to preserve her own concept of sanity by holding that men can menstruate.
    And fish, of course, can play the trombone.

  91. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rafeal Ismael

    Particularly since the Puritans were not the sexual prudes as painted, but more of the twisted sexuality seen in the Communist movements.

    Ah, no. Not even. 17th century English Christians were not that way. Although it’s been profitable to portray them as such since the 19th century.

  92. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Lots of pick-ups, confederate flags, etc., up in the Berkshires. Except around the lakes.

    I was in the Berkshires in 2018 and didn’t see any Confederate flags. You’re delusional.

  93. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Cato

    I’ve thought about this, and I’ve decided that liberal success is due to the relative homogeneity of liberals, compared to conservatives.

    Liberal success is due to the fact that they hold a complete monopoly on political ideology. Self-described conservatives are in fact liberals. The beliefs of conservatives are all liberal beliefs. If you believe in free markets you’re a liberal. If you believe in individualism you’re a liberal. If you believe that the rights of the individual are more important than the good of society you’re a liberal.

    Conservatives are simply being consistent with their liberal beliefs. Conservatives must end up supporting the idea that a man wearing a frock automatically becomes a woman, because they’re liberals and liberals believe that we define ourselves. Conservatives must end up supporting homosexual marriage and every kind of sexual deviance because they’re liberals. Conservatives must end up supporting open borders because they’re liberals.

    Conservatives will surrender on every cultural and social issue because they share the same beliefs as liberals.

    The only difference between self-described conservatives and self-described liberals is that self-described conservatives are greedier.

  94. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Currahee

    Liberals have always confused me (as to why they say what they do).

    Back in the Cold War days, I came to the conclusion that most of them were communists because that was the only possible explanation for their views.

    Liberals and communists are polar opposites. Liberals put the interests of the individual ahead of the good of society. Communists put the good of society ahead of the interests of the individual. Liberals are starry-eyed idealists. Communists are cold-eyed realists. Liberals believe in magic. Communists believe in facts.

    I’m not saying communists are right (and I’m not a communist) but they have nothing whatsoever in common with liberals.

  95. @e102

    It’s not that complicated. A tranny can call himself whatever he wants, but it becomes tyranny when the state forces you and I to call him whatever he wants. The torture will come later as the state gets more powerful. However, torture isn’t required for tyranny. Any negative reinforcement will do. Like getting people fired or denying them access to public services.

  96. dfordoom says: • Website
    @RichardTaylor

    Why is the Left squandering its social legitimacy on this silly issue?

    It’s almost as if the Left has been hijacked. It’s almost as if the actual Left has been replaced by a fake Left that is actually merely a tool of the plutocrats. It’s almost as if this fake Left is being funded generously by the plutocrats who are horrified by the idea of an actual Left that might start asking awkward questions about the behaviour of those plutocrats. It’s almost as if politics is actually controlled by the people with money.

    But that couldn’t happen could it? It’s not like rich donors would make their political donations dependent on the recipients’ agreeing to pursue agendas that suit the rich.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
  97. anon[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    It’s almost as if the Left has been hijacked. It’s almost as if the actual Left has been replaced by a fake Left that is actually merely a tool of the plutocrats.

    Lol. Sure, because it couldn’t be that the Left has a multi century track record of pursuing some ideal to a ridiculous extreme. It’s gotta be outside agitators! Outside agitators corrupting the pure, precious bodily fluids of Leftism!

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  98. dfordoom says: • Website
    @J.Ross

    “This triggered a panic,” said Chandler Plante, a third-year magazine journalism major. “We can’t sleep. We can’t think.”

    Classic cry-bully tactics. If you say something we don’t like we’re going to make you look really bad and then we’re going to get you fired and make sure you never work again.

  99. getaclue says:

    The Rothschild’s front man Soros’ money $$$ funds the ACLU and many of these other Leftist creepy organizations these days and they be-clown themselves in order to be “worthy” to receive the unlimited funds at his disposal for the destruction of Western Civilization.

  100. getaclue says:
    @Dumbo

    It was always stated that the symbology of these various Corporations was Pagan/Satanic–Procter and Gamble etc. (look it up if your clueless….) now in these End Times the fact that Satanist are actually running these “woke” Corporations is obvious except to the most retarded or deluded secularist fools…These “woke” Corporatists know Satan is real, the average self acknowledged genius atheist is clueless and offensively so in their ignorance– several right here often in the comments….

  101. @RichardTaylor

    Because they don’t give a shit if they have legitimacy. They have power.

    That’s what matters.

  102. @Spud Boy

    Dennis’ wife on Sunny already beat you to it.

  103. dfordoom says: • Website
    @anon

    Lol. Sure, because it couldn’t be that the Left has a multi century track record of pursuing some ideal to a ridiculous extreme.

    The Left might well have pursued some ideals to ridiculous extremes, but my point is that there’s no resemblance between the ideals pursued by the Old Left and those pursued by the New Left. The Old Left and the New Left are polar opposites.

    The Old Left was perceived as a threat by the plutocrats. The New Left is perceived as a loyal ally by the plutocrats.

    And while the Old Left included extremists (communists) it also included moderates (moderate socialists). Every political movement includes an unrealistic extremist wing, including the dissident right.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @anon
  104. Ragno says:

    They Ain’t Making ACLUs Like They Used to

    I think it was when they posted zero tweets reminding people of James Fields’ Constitutionally-protected rights that I began to suspect.

    Men who get their periods are men.

    Men who get pregnant and give birth are men.

    At first I wasn’t sure what the hell they were referring to. Then it dawned on me – they’re talking about Cher’s kid.

    Luckily, I never get tired of this hilarious pic.

    Millennia from now, the Martian archaeologists will refer to such photographs as Rubik’s cubes.

  105. Ragno says:
    @Anonymouse

    They were the good guys defending the First Amendment for all…

    They were never the good guys. William Kunstler would stand on his head defending/encouraging the radical Left to overthrow the country, and then placate the ‘squares’ with some rugged-sounding sophistry about how only testing the limits of free speech could truly guarantee us free speech. But he was just waiting for you to walk away, satisfied that all was well, so that he could get back to work jimmying all the locks on the Doors to Power.

    And now that they’re in, and the doors are bolted shut from the inside?

    Hey, incel Hitler! – f#@k you and that white-supremacist Bill of Rights you rode in on!

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  106. @Mr McKenna

    You’re being very spergy this evening.
    Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    No, literal. Accurate.

    “Gender” isn’t anything real.

  107. @obwandiyag

    Lots of pick-ups, confederate flags, etc., up in the Berkshires. Except around the lakes

    You sure the pickups didn’t belong to Northampton dykes? You’d think Revolutionary War flags would be the preferred mode of protest in New England. E.g., the Bunker Hill flag:

  108. @dfordoom

    It’s almost as if the Left has been hijacked. It’s almost as if the actual Left has been replaced by a fake Left that is actually merely a tool of the plutocrats.

    As if the original Left was any different. Judging by your Imperial spelling (behaviour), you’re probably not familiar with the contentions of the John Birch Society.

    • Replies: @Alden
  109. Alden says:
    @Michael S

    Very true Roger Baldwin the founder was a communist and one of their objectives was to extend the concept of freedom of speech to include treason. The porn industry was a junior partner because a legal porn business was more profitable than illegal.

    Communists and porn; what religious ethnic group has been involved in those 2 causes for more than a century?

  110. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    One of my favorite books.

  111. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    The Left might well have pursued some ideals to ridiculous extremes,

    Like “Year Zero”? Say, do you wear glasses? Just asking. You know, for the good of the Revo.

    but my point is that there’s no resemblance between the ideals pursued by the Old Left and those pursued by the New Left.

    Oh, I get it, you’re the Real Left, the True Left, and all those younger ACLU weenies who have decided that trans rights are the latest civil rights that need protection — those are Fake Left. Because you say so.

    Lol!

    You’re like some old lady feminist in a Hillary Clinton pantsuit demanding to know why the local college feminist groups quit performing the Vagina Monologues.

    The Old Left and the New Left are polar opposites.

    Your “point” is a version of No True Scotsman.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  112. Alden says:
    @obwandiyag

    Lots of pickups all over the country. You’re not an American are you? If you were you wouldn’t associate pick ups with confederate flags. Do you mean the Bonnie Blue or the battle flag ?

  113. @anon

    But wait, we know that Billionaires like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and the boys at Google LOVE social justice warriors when it comes to the Left.

    Bill Gates bristles at the idea of anyone taking much of his money but is fashionably liberal on most everything else. Doesn’t it make sense that when they make their donations, they would naturally give to transwomen talking about their 57 genders, as opposed to say, millions of working class Whites who actually have the power to take their wealth?

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