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On February 25, 2020, Bob Iger, CEO of immensely successful Disney for the last 15 years, announced he was retiring immediately as CEO and kicking himself upstairs to executive chairman.

As things fell apart over subsequent weeks, I came to assume that this was a rare example of a well-informed elite seeing the handwriting on the wall and deciding at age 69 that he’d earned his retirement and he would now let a younger man deal with the coming crisis.

But I was wrong.

From the New York Times:

Bob Iger Thought He Was Leaving on Top. Now, He’s Fighting for Disney’s Life.

The former C.E.O. thought he was riding into the sunset. Now he’s reasserting control and reimagining Disney as a company with fewer employees and more thermometers.

By Ben Smith, April 12, 2020

The Walt Disney Company turned franchises like Marvel and “Star Wars” into the biggest media business in the world, and last fall it was putting the finishing touches on the image of a storied character: its chief executive, Bob Iger.

In late September, Mr. Iger, 69, published “The Ride of a Lifetime,” an engaging work of self-hagiography. The handsome executive, who seriously considered running for president this year, spent the next month on the kind of media tour that Disney is known for: he reveled in the successful start of a streaming service that immediately rivaled Netflix, was hailed as “businessperson of the year” by Time and described as “Hollywood’s nicest C.E.O.” in an article in the The Times by Maureen Dowd. Even his friends wondered if the soft-focus Instagram ads produced for his MasterClass on leadership were a bit much.

It all went so well that Mr. Iger decided it was time to do something he had postponed four times since 2013: retire as C.E.O.

In early December, Disney executives say, he told his board that he was ready to leave. Around that time, a handful of people in Wuhan, China, began developing mysterious coughs.

At the end of January, a few days after Disney was forced to close its Shanghai theme park as the coronavirus spread, Mr. Iger and the board stuck with their plan, agreeing that he would step back to become executive chairman and that the low-profile head of the parks and cruise business, Bob Chapek, would take over immediately as chief executive. They finalized the arrangement even as the stock market began to shudder. And on Feb. 25, they shocked Hollywood with the news that Mr. Iger’s 15-year run had ended.

The seemingly abrupt announcement prompted intense speculation about the reasons for Mr. Iger’s exit. “Sex or health?” one media executive who knows him texted another that night. Two weeks later, a different question emerged: Had Mr. Iger, with his deep ties to China and legendary timing, seen the coronavirus about to devastate his global realm? Did he get out just in time?

Mr. Iger, who has always carefully managed his image, told me in an email, there was no more than met the eye.

“No surprises … nothing hidden … nothing different or odd to speculate about ….,” he wrote, ellipses and all.

In fact, people close to Mr. Iger and the company said in interviews that the real question wasn’t whether he saw the crisis coming — but whether his focus on burnishing his own legacy and assuring a smooth succession left him distracted as the threats to the business grew. No big media company is more dependent on its customers’ social and physical proximity than Disney, with its theme parks and cruise lines. Few have been hit harder by the pandemic.

And now, Mr. Iger has effectively returned to running the company. After a few weeks of letting Mr. Chapek take charge, Mr. Iger smoothly reasserted control …

So Iger is now saying he was clueless then, but now that he knows what is going on, he’s back in power.

There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.

Meanwhile, in Town & Country:

No One Retires Anymore
Retirement—now? Or Never? How the American dream of golf and the golden years got turned on its head. And what that means for the rest of us.

BY JOEL STEIN, APR 9, 2020

 
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  1. A good sign that Devil Mouse is in trouble.

    • Replies: @Richard B

    Mr. Iger, with his deep ties to China
     
    In a world more complex and unpredictable than ever, there's one thing that couldn't be more obvious. And that is, that

    The two super powers in the world today are Jewish Supremacy Inc. and The Chi-Com Party.
     
    JSI provides the money. The CCP the muscle.

    This would go a long way toward explaining the merger between The US Treasury and The Federal Reserve Bank. Both to be run by a private entity, BlackRock. An entity, moreover, run by JSI, whose loyalties are for Israel, well, and the USA too, in as much as it's theirs.

    I've said it before, but I'll say it again, because it's worth repeating.


    Who needs a Conspiracy Theory when you have The Unz Review?
     
  2. There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    • Disagree: ben tillman, Kronos
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

     

    Hanlon's Butterknife?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. (…) People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.
     
    Right:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-and-the-power-of-positive-thinking/#comment-3798900 (#236)

    “Except for maybe a few Cassandras, the entire American medical establishment—with reams and reams of framed office credentials—was sleepwalking on this. Suddenly doctors realize hospitals and the public needs millions and millions of masks— Supply chain? Pandemic? What’s that?”

    Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off.
     
    One thing a lot of people don’t really understand:

    Every day is “Anything Can Happen Day.”

    https://youtu.be/isQIyXfV6Cw?t=100
    , @UK
    They are simply too ignorant to even begin to comprehend how hard it is to run things, so they not only bizarrely assume they'd do a better job, but then launch into the ridiculous idea that anyone would do so, unless they were repeatedly choosing to f*CK up on purpose.
    , @The Alarmist

    People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.
     
    The Alarmist's Razor: People believe in conspiracy theories because they are often more entertaining and comprehensible than reality, and sometimes because the conspiracy theory turns out to be conspiracy fact.
    , @Oscar Peterson
    To be honest, your comment and Steve Sailer's piece itself are a pair of bizarre straw-man arguments that are irrelevant to the ostensible topic, Bob Iger and his on-and-off retirement.

    Steve Sailer, in a confessional mood, tells us that he had hypothesized that Iger, anticipating major problems at Disney stemming from COVID-19, had decided to get the hell out and enjoy the good life:

    "As things fell apart over subsequent weeks, I came to assume that this was a rare example of a well-informed elite seeing the handwriting on the wall and deciding at age 69 that he’d earned his retirement and he would now let a younger man deal with the coming crisis."
     
    Sailer then castigates himself for "conspiratorial thinking."

    But newsflash: An individual seeing trouble ahead and deciding to get out of the way is NOT a conspiracy or indicative of an "inner party." Sure, you needed to be better informed than the average person, but Iger didn't have to be the Sybil to foresee that there might be significant problems from COVID-19. So Sailer's hypothesis was perfectly plausible if, in the end, not entirely correct.

    What's bizarre here is Steve Sailer's subjecting himself to a Maoist "struggle session."

    And guess what? Human beings DO conspire. We are conspiratorial animals just as we are social animals. Some--even many--conspiracy theories are ultimately wrong or even absurd, but that doesn't change the fact that conspiracy is quite normal human competitive behavior. And another thing: conspiracy and incompetence have never been mutually exclusive. You just have to look at Watergate to see that.

    So let's jettison the Occam's Razor nonsense and the confessions of guilt for the thoughtcrime of espousing "conspiracy theories."
    , @Corvinus
    "I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do."

    I doubt that it went down as you say it did, but your story is only one data point.

    "People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do."

    I would venture to say that 50-70% of companies, large or small, overall have competent leadership. But Sailer's cagey point--he is not about to directly speak his mind about conspiracy theorists or theories, as he depends upon some of the posters here for coin--has merit.
    , @RebelWriter
    Yep. Just keep repeating the corporate buzzwords of Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity, and keep from being in anyone's bulls eye.

    A few months ago I responded honestly to an anonymous survey the company sent out. They published the broad-brush results today.

    Of the many metrics, Respect and Value received one of the highest grades from employees. People of all cultures and backgrounds feel respected and valued.

    Those that received the lowest grades were Recognition, Accountability, and Promotions. We work hard, and raises have been scarce. Promotions have been scarce for most engineering personnel, and there are people in key positions who have failed in their roles over and over, but keep their jobs.

    How did the company choose to respond? By forming a Leadership Development Forum (LDF) to focus on Engagement, Culture, Diversity, and Inclusion. Remember that according to their own survey, this was one of the things they were already doing right.

    Ignore the problem. Fix what isn't broken. Diversity is our strength!
    This is corporate leadership in the 21st Century.

    , @ben tillman
    I don't get it. The fact that moron medical administrators panicked about COVID-19 has nothing to do with confirming or disconfirming any alleged conspiracy ever.
    , @Kronos

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.
     
    Keep in mind they might not be high enough or part of the wrong faction. Vox Day pointed this out on February 27th.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-ceos-vanish.html

    https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/037/827/208/original/e6e412a254af410a.jpg?1582816543

    There might not be a “Inner Party” per say, but there are formal/informal and prestigious networks across the globe. Your old friend Mr.X who works at the CIA’s bioterrorism department gives you the heads up of a nasty virus spreading in China one month before the news picks it up. (You hired a hooker in college to help him lose his virginity 30 years ago and is repaying the favor. His NSA contacts can read CCP intelligence reports despite the Wuhan media blackout and military encryption.)

    You spread it to your fellow yuppie friends. Some ignore it while others plan ahead accordingly. The “Inner Party” isn’t a centralized entity but more of a private Facebook chat group. What’s discussed over the grapevine is instantaneous and not executed by committee. It’s insider trading but not (often) about stocks.

    https://youtu.be/sse-78xU7hI

    , @obwandiyag
    They don't need an "inner party." As Gore Vidal, a paid-in-full member of our owners, says, they don't have to have meetings. They all think alike.
  3. Maybe it’s not a coincidence that we didn’t / don’t know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    As a nation, we need to see China’s lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there’s no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we’d better come up with one.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    I assume you are American.

    "we need to see China’s lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe"

    Thanks for the laugh.
    , @reiner Tor

    until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period.
     
    But they told the truth by January 23 at the latest, didn't they? And they also didn't lie about any of the relevant numbers afterwards, CFR, R0, hospitalization rates, rates of people in ICU, on ventilators, ECMO machines, age structure, comorbidities, etc. They also openly told the world that they needed to shut down a province the size of Spain to stop its spread, and by early February it became clear that they essentially had to shut down the entire economy in order prevent it spreading into other corners of the country.

    So the American government knew by early February at the latest that it was dealing with a horrible infectious disease spreading from human to human, knew all the important numbers about it. The Chinese might still have lied about where exactly they were on the curve (they might've lied that they were a few weeks earlier than in reality by the time they shut down the economy), but does it matter? Looking at exponential curves with a doubling in less than a week, does it matter at exactly which point they were on January 23? Not, except for morons who don't understand exponential curves.

    So what did the American government (or any other Western government) do after January 23? Okay, there was a belated travel ban by Trump (and before that some monitoring of some people traveling from China), but other than that... crickets. Nothing.

    They knew everything they needed to know by January 23, and yet they didn't even start organizing to produce surgical masks for the population (it's not exactly space rocket production, so even relatively poor or middle income countries should've been capable of producing them), other than the travel ban (by some countries), they did nothing.

    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Western governments spend enormous amounts on intelligence agencies. So what were they doing all this time? Did they just believe what the Chinese told them?

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn't do between January 23 and the actual outbreak. This narrative is factually incorrect (because China didn't lie about the important facts after January 23), and also paints a picture of dumb and gullible, horribly incompetent Western governments against the cunning and competent Chinese. Western governments would be to blame even if the Chinese didn't tell all the important numbers after January 23 (and they did).
    , @Carol
    "until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. "


    I thought they said quite the opposite.
    , @Mr. Anon

    Maybe it’s not a coincidence that we didn’t / don’t know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.
     
    So? It was a virus that caused respiratory illness. Did the illustrious Dr. Fauci not perhaps wonder that maybe the Chinese were lying and that a respiratory illness might - you know - be spread through the air? By late January there were already nightly news reports from Wuhan showing men in haz-mat suits hosing down the streets in Wuhan with...........something.............disinfectant presumably. Hell, for all we know it could have been bat piss. It seemed like the kind of useless gesture that governments often engage in to appear to be "doing something"

    And yet, in mid February, Fauci was assuring USA Today that the threat to the american public from coronavirus was "miniscule" and - oh - don't bother wearing a mask, you silly peon:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

    Fauci is a life-long federal government bureaucrat. He's an incompetent hack.
    , @Semperluctor
    May I please renew my suggestion that we cancel China’s Treasury holdings as compensation for their wicked and callously indifferent export of this virus? Their holdings amount to about 2.5 trillion. The harm that the Chinese Communist Party has caused us is more than 5 trillion. They were either grossly reckless or deliberate about their wrongful actions; they need to pay. If they were an American business, they would crippled and bankrupted by lawsuits. Just cancel their bond holdings. This is not a default, it will not be seen as a default, and it will not affect our credit rating.
    , @njguy73
    Look, if you're going to go around suggesting sensible ideas, you're going to have to go somewhere else.

    This is America.
    , @Bill

    until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period.
     
    This claim, mysteriously, is never linked to any actual evidence that it is true.
    , @JimDandy
    So, if I start smoking now, will it provide prophylactic protection against the virus? Yes no are you sure?
  4. It’s easier for sociopaths to rise up these days, with the loss of national or racial loyalty in the USA. A long time ago, a CEO had to at least pretend to have loyalty to Americans.

    But now, all he has to do is pledge loyalty to the Ideology of the Day. It could be libertarianism, globalism, Cultural Marxism, progressivism, whateva. It’s so much easier and naturally appeals to the glib sociopath. Pledging loyalty to Words is so much easier than a People.

    Many of the old Billionaires had loyalty to Americans … and yes, even White Americans! These days they repeat fashionable anti-White slogans while living in mega-mansions in gated White enclaves.

    • Agree: Rosie, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @SFG
    I'd put more of the blame on the free-market religion that spread after 1970 or so. Globalization makes businessmen lots of money, so of course they would do it. Were the robber barons of the Roaring Twenties or the Gilded Age less sociopathic?
    , @kihowi
    Pretty sure that the top of anything has always been psychos. But the stronger the racial or national loyalty, the greater of a psycho you'd have to be to realize you can just ignore it. So the difference would be that going down the hierarchy, you'd meet normal people earlier.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Agreed, except that they’re White / Jewish enclaves becoming White / Jewish / Chinese / Indian / Muslim elite enclaves.
  5. Anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    The more you think about it, the more Disney is in deep shit.

    Cruise ships? Horrible business. You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it’d take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    Movies? More animation I guess. How do you even shoot a movie safely in the Hollywood manner with all the crew? Will stars be required to live in strict protective sequestration for months? Scripts are evaluated for ruining time, location scouting, budgeting, and casting. Now add to that plague safety. And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now. (Not Disney, but I just thought of James Cameron: He just had to get the Avatar sequels perfect, and delayed so much that he now has four movies that cost a trillion dollars that are gonna be sold as DVDs at Wal-Mart.)

    Theme parks: the tight rides. The submarines in the 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney Sea will have to be limited to single couples or families. The whole lines and pre-ride areas can’t be fixed by six-feet rules. The spittle-inducing scream rides? The jammed parades and water shows? At the very least the parks will need to cut their max capacity of the parks to a third. I reckon that all rides will be by reservation. Fast Pass machines are themselves a hazard. Maybe a return to an updated ticket book, no E tickets, but preassigned rides at preassigned times? And will there be more problems when vibrant guests are asked to obey more rules, when the right to disobey rules is part of their reparations? Six-foot Sarah viral videos?

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    "Scripts are evaluated for ruining time"

    Ain't that the truth Dr Freud?
    , @Cloudbuster
    You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it’d take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    What would be the point? Socializing in crowds is pretty much the whole point of going on a cruise.
    , @Thea
    Cruise ships have been the site of various communicable disease outbreaks over the years including fatalities. This was a known problem ignored by the industry. Like China’s wild animal markets in a way.

    There may be no profitable way to safely run a cruise ship.

    Plus they encourage obesity. No tears here if that industry fails.

    , @Barnard
    The Disney Theme parks had already raised their prices into the stratosphere too, creating a lot of grumbling among their most loyal customers. I would expect the cancellation numbers among Southern California residents for their year round passes to be high. They are going to have to offer significant deals when they reopen. This may not be a profitable part of their business again for years.
    , @CJ
    One might also mention Disney’s dependence on the Chinese market, especially for its most crapola comic book hero movies. Which aren’t even being made right now, as your post notes.

    When are people going to notice that pretty much all of the legacy television networks are owned by giant entertainment conglomerates that have vital business interests in China? Disney owns ABC, Comcast (currently building a giant theme park in Beijing) owns NBC and its mutant spawn CNBC and MSNBC, Viacom owns CBS-Nickelodeon-Paramount-MTV, Warner owns CNN. They’re all compromised by financial interests in China.

    This subject needs more attention.
    , @Bumpkin

    And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now.
     
    Wrong, digital/streaming passed theatrical revenue last year, $48.7 to $42.2 billion.
  6. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    Hanlon’s Butterknife?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

    • LOL: Coemgen
  7. Why would anyone married to Willow Bay not retire?

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    Are there any billionaires not married to shiksehs at this point?
    , @Kim
    Are you suggesting that she is a sex object? She looks quite old. She is certainly past her fertile years, her boobs droop, her butt hangs, and her vagina would be dry. On the other hand, the pleasure in sex is very much a psychological phenomenon.
  8. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder how much of Iger’s wealth is tied up in stock, like maybe DIS? There is an obvious answer to the question “why”.

    A real-deal Inner Party would not be visible in the sense of a Bob Iger or pace’ Twinkie executives on hospital boards. An Inner Party would be people who are never in the spotlight, who influence the Bob Igers with a quiet word via a mutual friend.

    Did Bob Iger ever go to Davos? Is Davos the Inner Party? Something more inner than that? At this point we start down the rabbit hole.

    But…

    Rhetorical question: who ever heard of Jeff Epstein before 2016 or so? How many others like him exist, quietly making billions with “money management” of some kind, but smart enough to not get busted with teenaged girls ‘massaging” them? More than one?

    Twinkie
    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.”

    Maybe they don’t want to get in trouble. You could ask Seth Rich about that.

    There’s something a lot bigger out there than used to was. Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC. That’s why Liddy et al were in Watergate when they got caught. Obama obviously had no problem when he used the FISA court, the FBI and other alphabet assets to put massive surveillance on the Trump campaign and early administration. Isn’t that kind of domestic spying the job an Inner Party would want done?

    Why did Obama do that? Cui bono?

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @peterike

    There’s something a lot bigger out there than used to was. Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC.

     

    The complete politicization of the agencies and bureaucracy took place under the Clintons. When Bush got elected, Job 1 should have been mass firings across both, but of course he did nothing of the kind and the Permanent Opposition grew. It then metastasized under Obama who particularly decimated the military brass. Trump came in and also didn't do much to clean house. It's so far gone now that you'd have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    So much for draining the swamp.
    , @nebulafox
    >Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC.

    J. Edgar Hoover was quite willing to wiretap the NSC on Nixon and Kissinger's request as recently as 1969. But what Hoover understood-and what Nixon refused to understand-was that times were changing and these kinds of things were not going to be acceptable going forward.

    Had Hoover lived into Nixon's second term, though, it is highly unlikely Watergate would have played out the way it did. No Mark Felt leaks is just the beginning of it: there would have been no Grey hearings in early 1973. Hoover didn't have much affection for Nixon as a person, and vice versa, but he would have wanted the pre-Watergate Presidency protected at all costs. He would have had even less sympathy for Nixon's enemies, anyway.

  9. Mr. Iger, 69, published “The Ride of a Lifetime,” an engaging work of self-hagiography. The handsome executive, who seriously considered running for president this year…

    You know, this is just beginning. People like Stephen Schwartzman, Jeff Bezos and Larry Ellison have got to be looking and saying “I can do that!” Trump’s opened floodgates all right, just maybe not the ones everyone thought.

    • Agree: epebble
    • Replies: @Rob
    Indeed, one would think that other very rich men would have an even better chance than Trump. After all, people like them. But there’s the rub. To win they would have to support policies their friends would not like, and that they themselves did not support. Most people like to be consistent, though, and Trump apparently had no problem with a bait and switch. Anyone who had the money to self-finance a primary campaign could have run on an anti-immigration platform, and won the primary, at minimum. Trump showed that none of the donor class funded candidates could steal the issue while being more attractive.

    The popularity with the cool kids is the big issue. How many people with good press would risk it by supporting populist positions? Look at Oprah. Let’s assume she wouldn’t implode on the campaign trail over substantive disagreements about policy. She would win handily. So why didn’t she run? Partly, maybe she doesn’t want to be President. She went into TV, and not politics for reasons. But what does she have to gain? Are there any policies she wants enacted that are not part of the DNC wishlist? Why run when she could just have parties for candidates? Parties are more fun. Trump was born into real estate wealth. It is quite possible he would have given politics a shot much earlier if he were self-made. If you take the position that what happened between candidate Trump and President Trump was a Deep State soft coup, and I kinda do, there were no candidates that Trump could hold fundraisers for or write checks to who supported an America First platform. He had to run himself.

    Bob Iger has spent tome and money on being popular with the business class. Would he throw that away for the adulation of Deplorables? It is to laugh.
  10. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. (…) People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    Right:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-and-the-power-of-positive-thinking/#comment-3798900 (#236)

    “Except for maybe a few Cassandras, the entire American medical establishment—with reams and reams of framed office credentials—was sleepwalking on this. Suddenly doctors realize hospitals and the public needs millions and millions of masks— Supply chain? Pandemic? What’s that?”

    Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off.

    One thing a lot of people don’t really understand:

    Every day is “Anything Can Happen Day.”

    • Replies: @Clyde
    Nice post! That fat guy w Micky O'Rourke had the great line in the first Beverly Hills Cop. Welcoming and explaining to Eddie Murphy with these exact lines - "Everybody is a Free Lancer these days" That this is why Eddie was having a hard time figuring out the situation he was suddenly thrust into, coming from Detroit to Los Angeles/Beverly Hills. Everybody meaning every criminal No mafia organizing principles at work in greater LA. Overtly or covertly.

    One of my favorite movie lines. And the free lancers are 100x worse than 1986 when Bev Hills Cop came out. Mere anarchy is let loose and all....all that jazz. Even worse, mere anarcho-tyranny let loose that we all know.
  11. @Reg Cæsar
    Why would anyone married to Willow Bay not retire?

    Are there any billionaires not married to shiksehs at this point?

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
    Careful. Pattern recognition is anti-xxxxxxx.
    , @Gary in Gramercy
    "Are there any billionaires not
    married to shiksas at this point?"

    It's the only way to make sure that the screwing you're getting...is worth the screwing you're getting.
    , @IHTG
    Sheldon Adelson, obviously.
    , @SFG
    Going down the top 30...

    Sheldon Adelson married an Israeli physician who turned him into the hyper-Zionist he is now. Given the man's age and the fact that he doesn't look like Clint Eastwood, I suspect 'Adelson' is really Miriam pulling the strings.

    Sergey Brin married Anne Wojcicki (half), but they split up.

    Of course, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, and Larry Ellison all married out. So a little more than half married out, which is pretty typical for American Jews these days.

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men--Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with 'good breeding'?) So...maybe not so dumb.

    , @BB753
    What's the point of being a billionaire if you don't have a trophy wife to show off? Except for cucked idiots like Bill Gates, Zuckerberg and Bezos.
    Very few American Jewessses have good looks, unlike Israeli women. And they have horrible personalities.
  12. Alternatively, the conspiracists are half-right: there are lots of wannabe Inner Parties, with all that implies; but they’re all just as dumb as the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    "the conspiracists are half-right: there are lots of wannabe Inner Parties, with all that implies; but they’re all just as dumb as the rest of us."

    Indeed. Case in point: the alt-right/arktos/iran clusterfuck; aka, Burn After Reading: The True Story

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/10/the-altright-corporation-and-the-american-deep-state/
  13. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:

    “…… Follow the Money …….”.

    ‘Deep Throat’ 1972. (And, no, I don’t mean Linda Lovelace).

    That little aphorism basically explains *everything* about ‘how the world works’.

    • Replies: @Clyde

    “…… Follow the Money …….”.
     
    We had a big lib loudmouth here on local radio. He was semi-OK. Even this Lib often quoted this line. In fact very often, This line is universal.

    This partly explains why the knockout combo of HCQ / Zinc . Doxy cannot get any traction though it works counter-Covid very well. The Trump hate in the media also blocks the HCQ combo. Trump talks up HCQ all the time. HCQ is the anti-Fauci.

    The prime HCQ talkers are Hannity and Dr Oz who turns out to be a great guy and on Hannity all the time

  14. Anon[455] • Disclaimer says:

    Prince Phillip’s dream came true, and he has secretly died and been reincarnated as a virus.

    No preparing for an escaped lab mouse, or improperly handled lab mouse waste that a wild rat might have sniffed in a dumpster. No accounting for a 12 Monkeys scenario where one ecowarrior lab worker takes it upon himself to lift the lid on Pandora’s box and cull the human herd. An asteroid would have given us more warning.

    I hope Phillip is happy……..he got his wish.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    I had to Google this: "In 1988, he said: ‘In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.’"

    Interesting.
    , @The Alarmist
    Well, I guess that is more ambitious than his son Prince Charles, who remarked in a secretly recorded phone call to Camilla, while he was still married to Diana, that he wanted to live in her trousers, but his luck would have him as her tampon: “My luck to be chucked down a lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down.”

    Have you ever noticed that as Phillip ages and his skin thins, he looks more and more like the Alien Lizard some people claim the Royals and other TPTB really are?
  15. Now hold on just a second. You’ve got this post titled “There Is No Inner Party.”

    But in the post immediately preceding it, you note that the official public face of globalist jet-setters is a glib actor whose reputation rests on movies explaining to us that Gays Good, Retards Good, Jews War Heroes, Killing Germans Good, Christmas Is About Santa Claus Not Jesus Christ, Killing Black Convicts Bad, and so forth.

    In the post prior to that, you’ve got a Yale/Oxford Lifelong Professional Student from a family of Professional Goodwhites writing an editorial in the Jewish Paper of Record about “Blip Blurp RACISM Zabba Zip Dop STRUCTURAL Yabbadayabbada Dabba PRIVILEGE.” And apparently she’s built a tasty career out at, oh, Stanford, for repeating Inner Party sentimentalities.

    But there is no Inner Party.

    Like the old joke goes…

    Q: How many Comp Lit grad students does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: Define your terms.

    • Agree: BenKenobi, Cloudbuster, Hail
    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    The inner party can both exist and be incompetent.
  16. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:

    “Men wiser and more learned than I have discerned in history a plot, a rhythm, a predetermined pattern. These harmonies are concealed from me. I can see only one emergency following upon another as wave follows upon wave, only one great fact with respect to which, since it is unique, there can be no generalizations; only one safe rule for the historian: that he should recognize in the development of human destinies the play of the contingent and the unforeseen.”
    ― H.A.L. Fisher, History of Europe: v. 1

  17. If there’s no Inner Party, why is one of Iger’s sons named Robert Maxwell Iger?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    That's pretty funny.
    , @The Alarmist
    Are any named Jeffrey Epstein Iger? That would be the real giveaway.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    If there’s no Inner Party, why is one of Iger’s sons named Robert Maxwell Iger?
     
    Ronald Prescott Reagan raised my eyebrows.
  18. There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.

    For instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish even though the Jews consist about 1-2% of the US population. This has been so since virtually the beginning of the media business in the late 1800’s.
    Now the Ashkenazim are a clever people with an IQ of about 110-112. This means at the higher level in an organisation that need high intellectual firepower, they should be 10x over represented. So the Jews should be about 10-20% of the executives not a consistent 60-80%.

    Also power attracts power. Power crazy people appoint backslide-lickers as cronies who form a relatively permanent Cabal. This you see in large companies and politics. By the way studies have shown that the percentage of psychopaths in top positions of a company exceed those in prisons (about 22%)

    Lastly you have the real people with agendas who consistently push in one direction. They obviously make mistakes and can be at times stupid and arrogant, but they do have a consistent agenda and to enter those circles you have to go with the agenda. Here is a nice quote
    “Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” –
    David Rockefeller, MEMOIRS, page 405

    As they say ” treason never prospers because when it does non dare call it treason”

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.

    For instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish even though the Jews consist about 1-2% of the US population. This has been so since virtually the beginning of the media business in the late 1800’s.
     
    Good comment Hoekom SA. There's no super-secret inner party that is competently on top of things. But we have this absolute disaster of takeover--especially ideological takeover--by a middle man minority pushing and propagandizing in one direction. Now the US--and from the US the West--has been absolutely pickled in this toxic ideology, Jewish minoritarianism.

    So pickled, that if you poke your head up and speak some common sense:

    "Hey wait a minute this is stupid and flat out illogical. A society, a nation, a civilization must--first order--reproduce itself. A nation that has an ideology or group that attacks the nation's core isn't healthy.... It's got cancer and must kill it if the nation is going to survive!"

    ... people look at you like you are the nut. Their brains are so pickled with this minoritarian garbage, 5th grade math and reasoning are beyond them.

    People are not on average, all that smart. (Civilization is only a few thousand years old, we're barely as smart as it took to get here.) Independently reasoning is hard for most folks. And reasoning against the tide of what you are constantly told is harder.

    As they say ” treason never prospers because when it does non dare call it treason”
     
    Spot on.
    , @Mr. Anon

    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.
     
    Agreed.

    Ingsoc is a bad model for the World's elite. A better model is the aristocracy of the high middle ages. The powers-that-be are a self-annointed aristocracy. People move into it and people move out of it. The people who are in it don't all agree - they often contend with one another for power and privilege. But one thing that they all can agree on is that they are better than us - the hoi polloi - and that they deserve to rule over us.
    , @Old Jew
    My theory was:

    Jews coud not penetrate the great Corporations of the day such as United Steel, Standard Oil, Railroads,...

    Thus some of them ventured into uncharted territory: Moving Pictures.

    Later Sarnoff ventured into a new/ related field: Radio and TV (the children of Movies).

    It so happens that over the last one hundred years, Steel and Oil became less important, and the visual/audio media Industry more important.

    Thus Jewish capitalists ended in a position of Power.

    Seventy/90 years ago I learned this meme : "The 60 families that control America"

    What happened to these 60 families (Rockefeller. Morgan, DuPont, .....) ?
  19. @WIll
    If there's no Inner Party, why is one of Iger's sons named Robert Maxwell Iger?

    That’s pretty funny.

  20. This is not proof there is no Inner Party. This is proof that humans are not omniscient. Even when they get information, they often fail to grasp the significance. And when they grasp the significance, they still may not translate that into meaningful action or extrapolate that to other aspects of their life.

    If by Inner Party, you mean one cabal of final authorities, that doesn’t seem to accord. But there are certainly powerful entities in world events who lead factions to accomplish their goals, and said persons are bound by class, outlook, and social clubs. And there does seem to be a near monolithic Establishment ideology of Globohomo.

    Formulated as you put it, the statement appears to be: “Man cannot be God.”

    Happy Easter.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  21. “No one ever retires anymore” is why the kids had such high hopes for Corona-Chan.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Yeah, I've heard a lot of boomer remover jokes.
  22. @Mr McKenna
    Are there any billionaires not married to shiksehs at this point?

    Careful. Pattern recognition is anti-xxxxxxx.

  23. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. (…) People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.
     
    Right:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/trump-and-the-power-of-positive-thinking/#comment-3798900 (#236)

    “Except for maybe a few Cassandras, the entire American medical establishment—with reams and reams of framed office credentials—was sleepwalking on this. Suddenly doctors realize hospitals and the public needs millions and millions of masks— Supply chain? Pandemic? What’s that?”

    Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off.
     
    One thing a lot of people don’t really understand:

    Every day is “Anything Can Happen Day.”

    https://youtu.be/isQIyXfV6Cw?t=100

    Nice post! That fat guy w Micky O’Rourke had the great line in the first Beverly Hills Cop. Welcoming and explaining to Eddie Murphy with these exact lines – “Everybody is a Free Lancer these days” That this is why Eddie was having a hard time figuring out the situation he was suddenly thrust into, coming from Detroit to Los Angeles/Beverly Hills. Everybody meaning every criminal No mafia organizing principles at work in greater LA. Overtly or covertly.

    One of my favorite movie lines. And the free lancers are 100x worse than 1986 when Bev Hills Cop came out. Mere anarchy is let loose and all….all that jazz. Even worse, mere anarcho-tyranny let loose that we all know.

    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
  24. There definitely is an ‘inner party’, and y’all not invited to it.

    • Agree: Haruto Rat
  25. @Anonymous
    "...... Follow the Money .......".

    'Deep Throat' 1972. (And, no, I don't mean Linda Lovelace).


    That little aphorism basically explains *everything* about 'how the world works'.

    “…… Follow the Money …….”.

    We had a big lib loudmouth here on local radio. He was semi-OK. Even this Lib often quoted this line. In fact very often, This line is universal.

    This partly explains why the knockout combo of HCQ / Zinc . Doxy cannot get any traction though it works counter-Covid very well. The Trump hate in the media also blocks the HCQ combo. Trump talks up HCQ all the time. HCQ is the anti-Fauci.

    The prime HCQ talkers are Hannity and Dr Oz who turns out to be a great guy and on Hannity all the time

  26. @Anon7
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that we didn't / don't know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

    As a nation, we need to see China's lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there's no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we'd better come up with one.

    I assume you are American.

    “we need to see China’s lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe”

    Thanks for the laugh.

  27. @Anon
    The more you think about it, the more Disney is in deep shit.

    Cruise ships? Horrible business. You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it'd take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    Movies? More animation I guess. How do you even shoot a movie safely in the Hollywood manner with all the crew? Will stars be required to live in strict protective sequestration for months? Scripts are evaluated for ruining time, location scouting, budgeting, and casting. Now add to that plague safety. And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now. (Not Disney, but I just thought of James Cameron: He just had to get the Avatar sequels perfect, and delayed so much that he now has four movies that cost a trillion dollars that are gonna be sold as DVDs at Wal-Mart.)

    Theme parks: the tight rides. The submarines in the 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney Sea will have to be limited to single couples or families. The whole lines and pre-ride areas can't be fixed by six-feet rules. The spittle-inducing scream rides? The jammed parades and water shows? At the very least the parks will need to cut their max capacity of the parks to a third. I reckon that all rides will be by reservation. Fast Pass machines are themselves a hazard. Maybe a return to an updated ticket book, no E tickets, but preassigned rides at preassigned times? And will there be more problems when vibrant guests are asked to obey more rules, when the right to disobey rules is part of their reparations? Six-foot Sarah viral videos?

    “Scripts are evaluated for ruining time”

    Ain’t that the truth Dr Freud?

    • Replies: @Anon
    Find the other two copyediting misses for the win.
  28. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve Sailer:

    “There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.
    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.”

    There are a very few times in human history when extremely exceptional individuals had enough power and influence to affect all the human race on a global scale. Examples would be Genghis Khan conquering Eurasia, or Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years(Roman Emperors were not called Caesar for no reason). But you need to have very extreme levels of intelligence, ability, energy, talent and personality to do that. Extreme outliers who are at or above six standard-deviations above ordinary humans are not exactly easy to come by. These are one-in-a-billion to one-in-ten-billion individuals.

    For the most part, you are right: the World is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for elite individuals and groups to effectively control it. The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them. And even then, it is extremely difficult because there is a lot of competition with other elite individuals and groups that have diametrically opposite interests.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand. The reason why things happen the way they do is do to extremely complicated interactions of apparently unrelated facts that number in the trillions. Even extremely intelligent people get confused trying to get a “big picture” of everything, and they usually are only able to have certain theories on why some aspects of the totalityof the World behave the way they do. Nobelists and intellectuals can do no better than propose suppositions about why things are the way they are, and then support their suppositions with evidence and propose experiments and comparisons to asses whether their suppositions are true. If the very smart struggle, what hope is there for average people?

    But a conspiracy theory is something that everyone can understand. Humans are social primates that play games of interpersonal trickery on each other to achieve dominance(resources, attractive mates, etc). It goes back to high school, and bitchy girls gossiping to each other.

    It’s much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven’t risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down. Listening to an explanation that involves concepts like comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, etc, is just frustrating not only because it is inscrutable, but because there is no one specific to place the blame. Humans like to anthropomorphize the sources of their pain and suffering, and impersonal and complex culprits are just not attractive.

    • Replies: @Kim

    The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them.
     
    Here's an example of a decision made by a small group that had stupendous global consequences: the United States going off the gold standard.

    And there is no doubt at all that this forced much, much more than "a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor [the deciders]."

    I am sure that I can think of quite a few other such decisions as well.

    , @Art Deco
    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.

    I've never crossed paths with any such person. I have crossed paths with vain fools who fancy they're in the know and you aren't.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years

    You are confusing Julius with Octavian/Augustus. Julius is probably one of the most overrated renowned historic figures in terms of long term influence, other than the fact that he paved the way for Augustus.

    Of course, even at the time the Romans had very little direct influence over Persia, India and Central Asia - regions of which they were certainly aware.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.
    , @Anonymous

    It’s much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job
     
    This is a poor example as many firings are the result of office conspiracies by rival co-workers.
    , @dfordoom

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.
     
    Yes, I think that's a large part of the motivation for believing in conspiracy theories. It' much easier to believe in conspiracy theories than to try to figure out how the world actually works.

    It's not the only motivation. There are also people who like to think they have Secret Knowledge that ordinary folks don't have.

    And there are people who are simply inclined to paranoid delusions.
    , @Sean

    It’s much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven’t risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down.
     
    That isn't an average person conspiracy theory, it is an institutional analysis. Inger created 160 BILLION in shareholder value, and his remuneration reflects that. His motives are hardly in question. A business is run to maximise profit, which is a delicate balance. Providing jobs in the country in which they happen to live is a consideration of a different sphere. So of course investment bankers are in agreement to get together to outsource and provide capital for China to the extent that generates greater profits. The people running pension funds have a fiduciary duty to get the maximum returns. By my way of thinking, a conspiracy has to be where people are getting together for purposes opposed to what they are ostensibly doing and being paid to do by their institution.

    Trump was elected to counteract comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, ECT. That is what he is trying to do and is there is anyone opposing him it is the hypercapitalist elite and their hirelings in the media. They make a lot of noise but they don't have their hands on the levers of immediate power like the Deep State do.

    Most conspiracy theories I have seen involve not the director of the CIA or Joint Chiefs but middle management level. That is a lot more realistic, because those are the ones who can rise, whereas the elite cannot get any more important, they already own multiple grand houses, have pension pots worth many millions, and can get their kid into Harvard, so why rock the boat? It was colonels who tried to kill Hitler, not generals like Erich von Manstein, who in 1944 was using the secret loyalty payment to buying himself an estate somewhere 20 miles from where the sound of Soviet guns could be heard. How inequality comes with growth.y

    ONE thing I’ve learned from studying the history of these moments is that it really doesn’t take all that much to shift the preferences of a large enough share of the electorate in a certain direction to get this kind of change going. We saw this in the ’30s and we could see it again. [...] America is still a democracy, so it’s more robust in that sense, and that’s something it doesn’t have in common with earlier societies or even contemporary developing countries that would buckle under comparable pressure. So it’s quite different in that way. [...]

    But I think the best comparison is probably between the US and other high-income countries, where you see the US is more polarized and more unequal economically and racially and in other ways. The question is going to be, is the US going to suffer more because of this crisis than other countries that are more centralized or less unequal?
     
    Having reached its zenith and established trade with China ancient Rome was devastated by disease. The West is about to contract and I think people like Inger will have less influence.
  29. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Why can’t we do a nationwide test of immunity? A sample size of 250 would give you an answer within a few percent.

    We want to make sure we aren’t 30% or more through this. In a political campaign, you use a larger sample usually, but those things are either pretty close or no one bothers polling anyway.

    Note that a sample size of 1000 is only 2x as accurate, not 4x cause you take the square root.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/

    Note that stratified random sampling reduces the needed sample size also.

    You can get some good numbers with what seem to be intuitively small sample sizes.

    • Replies: @epebble
    Rules in NYC allow tests only on the hospitalized. Tests are more precious than gold. Any suggestion of random tests on asymptomatics will be laughed out.

    In a memo to providers, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene reiterated that only hospitalized patients with symptoms should be testing for COVID-19 to preserve resources and swabs for patients with severe illness.
     
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/492486-officials-warn-that-new-york-city-could-run-out-of-coronavirus-test-swabs
  30. I heard that Disney Plus is going great guns, something like 50 million subscribers in the last quarter.

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    True but Disney parks and cruise lines are taking in zero income right now while at the same time having to pay out a lot of money on upkeep, construction, security & salaries.
    , @anon
    I heard that Disney Plus is going great guns, something like 50 million subscribers in the last quarter.

    However there is no new content, though, because all the movies are on hold. Other streaming services have new content on the drive they can serve up.

    Plus Di$ney has been all about "experience" for years now. They raised the pass price for the Anaheim park and more or less got away with it. "Experience" includes theme parks in North America, Europe and Asia, plus all the cruise ships. "Experience" is burning tens of millions of dollars per day because the parks are closed and the cruise ships are parked.

    https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/media-industry-analyst-in-ny-times-estimates-disney-is-hemorrhaging-30-million-per-day/
  31. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    They are simply too ignorant to even begin to comprehend how hard it is to run things, so they not only bizarrely assume they’d do a better job, but then launch into the ridiculous idea that anyone would do so, unless they were repeatedly choosing to f*CK up on purpose.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    If you want to see who really runs things, then don’t look at the top guy. He’s a deer in the headlights, much too exposed to make cool, rational decisions. His ace in the hole is his right-hand man who, being out of the lime light, is free to think and do the right thing. So, who he chooses as his wingman is all important.

    This is not to say that the top gun is incompetent, just that his function is to lead and that’s a different thing from strategizing. Nor is it to say that he himself, as wing man, would have been incompetent, just that they have different functions. Often a competent wingman is uncomfortable with or not particularly effective at being cast in the lead role.

    From the top of a mountain you can see the horizon in all directions, but you can’t see the transition between the peak and the foreground, the fore slope. To see the transition, to make the connection, to be in contact with the flatlands, you have to move off of the top, out to a shoulder of the hill.

    From any spot on the shoulder, your view is restricted to what’s in front of you. You preside over a quadrant, a particular domain. So the top guy sees all but is in contact with none of the particulars. For connection, he relies on his lieutenants, who are positioned on the aforementioned shoulders.

    A lieutenant sees all that lies before him, at his feet, but is vulnerable to attack from behind. He can be blindsided by an untrustworthy executive, some one higher up the slope. So we say we rely on our superiors to “have our back”.

  32. anon[319] • Disclaimer says:

    Small Samples, Continued:

    I’m sick of hearing Debra Birx bloviating at length about how we just dont know/dont have data.

    We have a shitload of data. Plus, lack of data might have been someone else’s fault a month ago. Now it is on her and Fauci.

    I’d be very interested in a sample of N= 50. If it is binomial with p=.01 (3.2 million), the variance is NPQ or 0.5. SD=0.7. Sample mean of +/- 2 SD or +/- 1.5. Thats about all I can remember from stat class.

    Sort of bizarre that a randomized sample of 50 might find 0 positives with antigen tests.

  33. Twitter observatory and execellent op-ed outlet RT reports that the world is slowly getting back to normal as the usual shit float again on top:

    China denies discriminating against ‘African brothers’ & says accusations by US govt are attempt at diplomatic sabotage

    Last week, the US consulate in Guangzhou alleged that local officials had ordered bars and restaurants not to serve African clients, purportedly out of fear that foreigners could be infected with coronavirus. The consulate also claimed that the city was forcing those who came in contact with anyone from Africa to go into quarantine.

    Believe all women? New York Times only remembers its journalistic skepticism when it’s Biden in the crosshairs

    The Intercept ran a story in March on how Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer, claimed that in 1993 Biden pushed her against a wall, groped her, and penetrated her with his fingers. Reade had spoken up about the alleged incident a year earlier, but was met with accusations that she was doing Russia’s bidding. The US media was still doing ‘Russiagate’ back then, remember? The story was ignored by every single mainstream TV news network for more than a week. Few print news sites covered it. The New York Times only ran the story this Sunday, in a feature-length article dismissing the allegations entirely.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    Last week, the US consulate in Guangzhou alleged that local officials had ordered bars and restaurants not to serve African clients, purportedly out of fear that foreigners could be infected with coronavirus. The consulate also claimed that the city was forcing those who came in contact with anyone from Africa to go into quarantine.
     
    Just disgust.

    The US--and the rest of the world--has a legit bone to pick with China.

    They've shown that they are a crappy global citizen--surprise! And that we can have global supply chains running through China, given their behavior and refusal to reform. (The wet market reopening was a big f-u to the world.) Let's concentrate on picking that bone, while--more importantly--disengaging from China.

    To see us wasting cycles pushing our--much more lethal!--minoritarian pathology at them is just ridiculous.
    , @eD
    The plan seems to be to somehow continue with diversity training even though there are no jobs.
    , @Jack D
    If Reade was accusing Trump, you would have no problem dismissing her allegations (though the NY Times wouldn't). There are numerous problems with her story.

    Reade had spoken up about the alleged incident a year earlier,
     
    At which time she accused Biden of much less serious conduct but left out the part where she now claims that he stuck his hand up her lady parts. Or you might say "grabbed her by the pussy". Changing your story over time is not good for your credibility.

    but was met with accusations that she was doing Russia’s bidding.
     
    Because she was in fact on record as praising Putin. Of course this has nothing to do with her credibility nor does it prove that she is on Russia's payroll, but it does at the very least call into account her judgment. And don't bother telling me how you think that Putin is a great guy too.
  34. @Mr McKenna
    Are there any billionaires not married to shiksehs at this point?

    “Are there any billionaires not
    married to shiksas at this point?”

    It’s the only way to make sure that the screwing you’re getting…is worth the screwing you’re getting.

  35. He was going to retire in 2017 and was given stock options worth maybe $167 million to stay past his stipulated retirement date. He was so valuable because Inger added $175 billion in shareholder value. That is what it is all about. Jonathan Bush was forced out of his innovative Massachusetts-based healthcare technology company by Paul Singer’s Elliott capital because they said Bush wasn’t maximising shareholder value (or asset stripping). In 2016 it was alleged Disney had ‘forced 250 of its American IT workers to train up the Indian workers who replaced them’. Inger’s personal wealth is estimated at $690 million. People with that kind if money have what is called a family office that is looking after the investments. The best returns are in China, but then everyone’s pensions depend on money invested in China.

    Inner party, well yes he maybe got a little advance warning but these kind of people have certain mindset and would not be able to comprehend that the world was going to be different. A good example is Field Marshal Von Manstein bought an estate in East Pomerania in October 1944, while the Russians were 20 miles away. Throughout WW2 German generals were given large loyalty payments regularly right into their bank accounts of large sums and for on their 40 or 50th birthday got the equivalent of $ 2 million. Schörner final Commander-in-chief of the WW2 German Army. opened staff meetings by asking, “How many men did you hang today?” His security troops once came upon a tank workshop repair a reconnaissance vehicle; Schörner’s men shot the vehicle commander for “malingering.” At Lednice, Czechoslovakia, on May 07-05-1945, Schörner was on the spot to order 22 German soldiers shot for “standing around without orders.” even though Hitler had been dead a week and the war was virtually over.

    As long as the rewards were flowing in your average general (or CEO) is not going to change, even though they have extra information that lets them see disaster approaching they are more likely to double down. Inger will demand H1B Visa Program be expanded, sell off assets and downsize the core assets, still focused like a laser beam on shareholder value. But he has created that value by cutting to the bone. The company and many others similarly managed in recent years might well not survive. They certainly are not going to be innovative enough to compete with China in the coming decades.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
  36. No One Retires Anymore

    Then again, the cemeteries are full of indispensable people.

    • Replies: @I Have Scinde
    "... the cemeteries are full of indispensable people."

    Just curious, do you happen to know the provenance of this saying? The earliest I could find is Chesterton, but I think he was quoting something common by the 1890s.
  37. Maybe Wuflu will revive drive-in theaters?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Well, that would make at least three positive developments from this episode, hopefully:

    more telework rather than stressful, costly, air-polluting commuting five days per week;
    bringing back the drive-in movie, where so many Americans were conceived;
    and a proliferation of weed delivery services.

    Every cloud has a silver lining.
  38. There is no Inner Party

    Then we are going to have to find another explanation for why the media always reports all arising news with such perfect high-kickin’ Rockettes coordination.

  39. @Anon7
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that we didn't / don't know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

    As a nation, we need to see China's lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there's no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we'd better come up with one.

    until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period.

    But they told the truth by January 23 at the latest, didn’t they? And they also didn’t lie about any of the relevant numbers afterwards, CFR, R0, hospitalization rates, rates of people in ICU, on ventilators, ECMO machines, age structure, comorbidities, etc. They also openly told the world that they needed to shut down a province the size of Spain to stop its spread, and by early February it became clear that they essentially had to shut down the entire economy in order prevent it spreading into other corners of the country.

    So the American government knew by early February at the latest that it was dealing with a horrible infectious disease spreading from human to human, knew all the important numbers about it. The Chinese might still have lied about where exactly they were on the curve (they might’ve lied that they were a few weeks earlier than in reality by the time they shut down the economy), but does it matter? Looking at exponential curves with a doubling in less than a week, does it matter at exactly which point they were on January 23? Not, except for morons who don’t understand exponential curves.

    So what did the American government (or any other Western government) do after January 23? Okay, there was a belated travel ban by Trump (and before that some monitoring of some people traveling from China), but other than that… crickets. Nothing.

    They knew everything they needed to know by January 23, and yet they didn’t even start organizing to produce surgical masks for the population (it’s not exactly space rocket production, so even relatively poor or middle income countries should’ve been capable of producing them), other than the travel ban (by some countries), they did nothing.

    Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Western governments spend enormous amounts on intelligence agencies. So what were they doing all this time? Did they just believe what the Chinese told them?

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn’t do between January 23 and the actual outbreak. This narrative is factually incorrect (because China didn’t lie about the important facts after January 23), and also paints a picture of dumb and gullible, horribly incompetent Western governments against the cunning and competent Chinese. Western governments would be to blame even if the Chinese didn’t tell all the important numbers after January 23 (and they did).

    • Replies: @dfordoom

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn’t do between January 23 and the actual outbreak.
     
    Yes. It's in the nature of western politics that when something bad happens the first priority is to find someone else to blame.
    , @anonymous

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn’t do between January 23 and the actual outbreak.
     
    If you're old enough, you not only know this is all just idle conversation, you also know intuitively that this virus fiasco is just more of the same bullshit from the evil Dr. Zin. Even Tiny Duck couldn't deny that Zin is fucking asshole. Always has been. Always will be.

    We should call it the fucking "Zin Virus," because that's what it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6VGmZMSxIk

  40. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.
    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge."

    There are a very few times in human history when extremely exceptional individuals had enough power and influence to affect all the human race on a global scale. Examples would be Genghis Khan conquering Eurasia, or Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years(Roman Emperors were not called Caesar for no reason). But you need to have very extreme levels of intelligence, ability, energy, talent and personality to do that. Extreme outliers who are at or above six standard-deviations above ordinary humans are not exactly easy to come by. These are one-in-a-billion to one-in-ten-billion individuals.

    For the most part, you are right: the World is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for elite individuals and groups to effectively control it. The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them. And even then, it is extremely difficult because there is a lot of competition with other elite individuals and groups that have diametrically opposite interests.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand. The reason why things happen the way they do is do to extremely complicated interactions of apparently unrelated facts that number in the trillions. Even extremely intelligent people get confused trying to get a "big picture" of everything, and they usually are only able to have certain theories on why some aspects of the totalityof the World behave the way they do. Nobelists and intellectuals can do no better than propose suppositions about why things are the way they are, and then support their suppositions with evidence and propose experiments and comparisons to asses whether their suppositions are true. If the very smart struggle, what hope is there for average people?

    But a conspiracy theory is something that everyone can understand. Humans are social primates that play games of interpersonal trickery on each other to achieve dominance(resources, attractive mates, etc). It goes back to high school, and bitchy girls gossiping to each other.

    It's much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven't risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down. Listening to an explanation that involves concepts like comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, etc, is just frustrating not only because it is inscrutable, but because there is no one specific to place the blame. Humans like to anthropomorphize the sources of their pain and suffering, and impersonal and complex culprits are just not attractive.

    The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them.

    Here’s an example of a decision made by a small group that had stupendous global consequences: the United States going off the gold standard.

    And there is no doubt at all that this forced much, much more than “a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor [the deciders].”

    I am sure that I can think of quite a few other such decisions as well.

  41. There is no “Inner Party.”

    Except for the cabal of The Pope, The Queen, The Rothschilds and … um, the Freemasons. Or do I mean the Jesuits? The Rosicrucians? The Illuminati? It’s all so confusing.

    It’s much simpler if you are a Dem because then it’s all a conspiracy of Putin and Literally Hitler.

    • LOL: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @I Have Scinde
    You're close: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RJeRWZgk1Wk
  42. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.
    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge."

    There are a very few times in human history when extremely exceptional individuals had enough power and influence to affect all the human race on a global scale. Examples would be Genghis Khan conquering Eurasia, or Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years(Roman Emperors were not called Caesar for no reason). But you need to have very extreme levels of intelligence, ability, energy, talent and personality to do that. Extreme outliers who are at or above six standard-deviations above ordinary humans are not exactly easy to come by. These are one-in-a-billion to one-in-ten-billion individuals.

    For the most part, you are right: the World is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for elite individuals and groups to effectively control it. The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them. And even then, it is extremely difficult because there is a lot of competition with other elite individuals and groups that have diametrically opposite interests.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand. The reason why things happen the way they do is do to extremely complicated interactions of apparently unrelated facts that number in the trillions. Even extremely intelligent people get confused trying to get a "big picture" of everything, and they usually are only able to have certain theories on why some aspects of the totalityof the World behave the way they do. Nobelists and intellectuals can do no better than propose suppositions about why things are the way they are, and then support their suppositions with evidence and propose experiments and comparisons to asses whether their suppositions are true. If the very smart struggle, what hope is there for average people?

    But a conspiracy theory is something that everyone can understand. Humans are social primates that play games of interpersonal trickery on each other to achieve dominance(resources, attractive mates, etc). It goes back to high school, and bitchy girls gossiping to each other.

    It's much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven't risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down. Listening to an explanation that involves concepts like comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, etc, is just frustrating not only because it is inscrutable, but because there is no one specific to place the blame. Humans like to anthropomorphize the sources of their pain and suffering, and impersonal and complex culprits are just not attractive.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.

    I’ve never crossed paths with any such person. I have crossed paths with vain fools who fancy they’re in the know and you aren’t.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I’ve never crossed paths with any such person."

    You most assuredly have on this fine blog. Whiskey, anyone?
    , @Anonymous
    You never crossed paths? Really? I mean, you are right. That is probably why there are millions of internet pages and dozens of Youtube channels dedicated to conspiracy theories. Idiot!! I guess you are one of those, and don't want to admit publicly.
  43. From the man who couldn’t connect the dots on Jeffrey Epstein.

  44. Iger appears to be a typical powerful executive, with an inexhaustible desire to be where the action is and some measure of meglomania acquired through success and acclaim in the position. With the virus now posing an existential threat to Disney, this is no time for a Master of the Universe to pull back from leadership. Maybe Iger is indeed an executive Great Man of CEO history, I don’t know.

    I can’t follow the train of thought here that because Iger (moreover the great integrator of world knowledge and analysis, the stock market) didn’t see the ramifications of the emerging pandemic early on there is no Inner Party. Both US political parties are pretty much controlled by the Inner Party – the Deep State, the establishment, the plutocracy, whatever – with their area of focus being foreign policy and some outlet for democratic expression of popular will given in domestic policy. Imperial America works relentlessly to bring independent states into compliance with its aims, funds development of more “usable” nuclear weapons and (surely) bio-weapons labs. These programs would be highly unpopular if citizens were aware of them.

    There’s an Inner Party, alright, it’s just not a formal thing with defined borders as with usual clubs, and certainly not omniscient as popularly imagined. I’m happy to add Inner Party to the lexicon. The aim of a republic is to provide security and conditions for broad flourishing of its citizens; the chief aim of empire is aggregation of wealth and power to the Inner Party.

  45. And still … you don’t have to rush for a chair if you leave well before the music stops.

    Nearly 150 CEOs departed in November, putting 2019 on track to be record year for executive exits

    source: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/11/challenger-nearly-150-ceos-departed-in-november.html

    What CEO Departures Say About the Economy
    When executives stop leaving their companies, the boom is over.

    source: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-12-09/ceo-retirements-show-economy-boom-might-be-nearing-end

  46. @Mr McKenna
    Are there any billionaires not married to shiksehs at this point?

    Sheldon Adelson, obviously.

  47. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    The Alarmist’s Razor: People believe in conspiracy theories because they are often more entertaining and comprehensible than reality, and sometimes because the conspiracy theory turns out to be conspiracy fact.

  48. @Anon
    The more you think about it, the more Disney is in deep shit.

    Cruise ships? Horrible business. You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it'd take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    Movies? More animation I guess. How do you even shoot a movie safely in the Hollywood manner with all the crew? Will stars be required to live in strict protective sequestration for months? Scripts are evaluated for ruining time, location scouting, budgeting, and casting. Now add to that plague safety. And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now. (Not Disney, but I just thought of James Cameron: He just had to get the Avatar sequels perfect, and delayed so much that he now has four movies that cost a trillion dollars that are gonna be sold as DVDs at Wal-Mart.)

    Theme parks: the tight rides. The submarines in the 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney Sea will have to be limited to single couples or families. The whole lines and pre-ride areas can't be fixed by six-feet rules. The spittle-inducing scream rides? The jammed parades and water shows? At the very least the parks will need to cut their max capacity of the parks to a third. I reckon that all rides will be by reservation. Fast Pass machines are themselves a hazard. Maybe a return to an updated ticket book, no E tickets, but preassigned rides at preassigned times? And will there be more problems when vibrant guests are asked to obey more rules, when the right to disobey rules is part of their reparations? Six-foot Sarah viral videos?

    You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it’d take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    What would be the point? Socializing in crowds is pretty much the whole point of going on a cruise.

  49. Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.

    I don’t think this follows at all. Elites can’t and don’t need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events, and continue to push incrementally for trends they desire, sometimes by simply obstructing efforts to change or reverse them.

    • Replies: @guest
    That's true. Look at what the CIA went through in the 70s. Everyone found out about Paperclip, Mockingbird, MKUltra, etc. They had to eat crap on camera, and ever since most everyone either hates them or looks at them suspiciously.

    And yet...did they get shut down? Was the leadership decimated? Did they even stop running the programs under other names? Who knows? What I observe is that they're still powerful, spend a lot of money, and have their grubby little fingers in every pot, at home and abroad. What's more, giant scandals keep coming and going. Iran-Contra, distributing drugs inside the country, letting 9/11 happen right beneath their noses, WMDs...The list goes on.

    Point is, we know this organization is secretive, powerful, and highly connected to all aspects of elite culture. Social, financial, political, academic, artistic, you name it. Nevertheless, it keeps getting in trouble. Keeps stepping in it. Keeps getting its hand caught in the cookie jar. Does that mean it's not running Deep Conspiracies? No. That's its job.

    Doesn't require a supergenius to run an agency that can afford to get in trouble over and over and over again.

    , @Hail

    Elites can’t and don’t need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events
     
    [AGREE].

    No better example than the Corona Coup D'Etat.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    "and continue to push incrementally for trends they desire"


    Yes, the Guardian has been saying that because of coronavirus we should let all the prisoners out and let all the illegal immigrants in, i.e. business as usual for them.
    , @Dumbo
    Woah, I agree with Rosie.

    Yes, people talk about "conspiracy theories" as if there was this small group of people in a dark room who control everything that happens, obviously it's not like that, such control is impossible for human beings, but that doesn't mean that the elites do not have a lot of influence and power and use it for their own ends.

    The best example is immigration - by changes in the law and massive propaganda, Western peoples have been led to accept as normal their own population replacement, since 1965. A stupefying change. Which happened because a small group of people - certainly not the majority - decided it this way.

    Or "gay marriage". Where were the masses clamouring for "gay marriage" before the 1990s? Nowhere. The idea wasn't even considered by anyone. And yet now after massive brainwashing it is difficult to find anyone who even questions the concept. Again, a small group of people - we might even say "a cabal" - so decided. And so it was done.

    In the end, "conspiracy theory" is basically just anything that goes against or is different from what the mass media tells. That's the definition, really. So we are all conspiracy theorists. It's just that some theories are better than others.

  50. “Walt Disney Company turned franchises like Marvel and ‘Star Wars’ into the biggest media businesses in the world”

    No. Disney ran Star Wars into the ground.

    Marvel and Lucasfilm both were bought by Disney for BILLIONS of dollars. Star Wars was already a huge franchise. Marvel was already one of the Big Two comic book companies. Iron Man, the movie that birthed the Marvel Cinematic Blah-blah-blah, had already come out.

    • Replies: @CAL2
    As you stated, Marvel was already a hit when they sold to Disney. After Disney, the movies have become far more formulaic. The only thing keeping it going was momentum and the tie-in to Infinity War. Now they are getting ready to go woke, and it is going to crash and burn.

    Doing some basic analysis, Disney, at best, has hit break-even with what it spent for Star Wars. At the moment, the franchise is in collapse. They've made five movies, two cartoons, and one streaming show. The streaming show has done well. The cartoons were one okay and the other bombed. Out of five movies, only Rogue One got any sort of lasting praise. The problem is, Star Wars is inherently a boys franchise. Sure some girls like it. But, they like it for the same reason the boys do. Disney has shown little ability in three decades to appeal to boys. It's like taking Twilight and trying to make it for guys.
    , @duncsbaby
    Yep, Disney had nothing to do w/Marvel's and the Star Wars franchise's success. If anything they have made both pop-cultural entities weaker and certainly more rigidly formulaic.
  51. @RichardTaylor
    It's easier for sociopaths to rise up these days, with the loss of national or racial loyalty in the USA. A long time ago, a CEO had to at least pretend to have loyalty to Americans.

    But now, all he has to do is pledge loyalty to the Ideology of the Day. It could be libertarianism, globalism, Cultural Marxism, progressivism, whateva. It's so much easier and naturally appeals to the glib sociopath. Pledging loyalty to Words is so much easier than a People.

    Many of the old Billionaires had loyalty to Americans ... and yes, even White Americans! These days they repeat fashionable anti-White slogans while living in mega-mansions in gated White enclaves.

    I’d put more of the blame on the free-market religion that spread after 1970 or so. Globalization makes businessmen lots of money, so of course they would do it. Were the robber barons of the Roaring Twenties or the Gilded Age less sociopathic?

  52. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Now hold on just a second. You've got this post titled "There Is No Inner Party."

    But in the post immediately preceding it, you note that the official public face of globalist jet-setters is a glib actor whose reputation rests on movies explaining to us that Gays Good, Retards Good, Jews War Heroes, Killing Germans Good, Christmas Is About Santa Claus Not Jesus Christ, Killing Black Convicts Bad, and so forth.

    In the post prior to that, you've got a Yale/Oxford Lifelong Professional Student from a family of Professional Goodwhites writing an editorial in the Jewish Paper of Record about "Blip Blurp RACISM Zabba Zip Dop STRUCTURAL Yabbadayabbada Dabba PRIVILEGE." And apparently she's built a tasty career out at, oh, Stanford, for repeating Inner Party sentimentalities.

    But there is no Inner Party.

    Like the old joke goes...

    Q: How many Comp Lit grad students does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: Define your terms.

    The inner party can both exist and be incompetent.

  53. @Rosie

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     
    I don't think this follows at all. Elites can't and don't need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events, and continue to push incrementally for trends they desire, sometimes by simply obstructing efforts to change or reverse them.

    That’s true. Look at what the CIA went through in the 70s. Everyone found out about Paperclip, Mockingbird, MKUltra, etc. They had to eat crap on camera, and ever since most everyone either hates them or looks at them suspiciously.

    And yet…did they get shut down? Was the leadership decimated? Did they even stop running the programs under other names? Who knows? What I observe is that they’re still powerful, spend a lot of money, and have their grubby little fingers in every pot, at home and abroad. What’s more, giant scandals keep coming and going. Iran-Contra, distributing drugs inside the country, letting 9/11 happen right beneath their noses, WMDs…The list goes on.

    Point is, we know this organization is secretive, powerful, and highly connected to all aspects of elite culture. Social, financial, political, academic, artistic, you name it. Nevertheless, it keeps getting in trouble. Keeps stepping in it. Keeps getting its hand caught in the cookie jar. Does that mean it’s not running Deep Conspiracies? No. That’s its job.

    Doesn’t require a supergenius to run an agency that can afford to get in trouble over and over and over again.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    Doesn’t require a supergenius to run an agency that can afford to get in trouble over and over and over again.
     
    Kompromat is easier to get than ever now with dating apps, online transaction records, ubiquitous home and mobile listening devices, smart tvs, cctv, online search records, and so on. It goes a long way towards ensuring compliance by lawmakers.
  54. Worth remembering, though its been rigidly suppressed, Iger was in charge of Mirimax during the Weinstein brothers period of maximum predation. Privy to the many settlements, allegations and lurid details of the various crimes.

  55. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:

    “We live in a world in which relatively few people—maybe 500 or 1,000—make the important decisions”—Philip B. Heymann of Harvard Law School (quoted by Anthony Lewis, New York Times, April 21, 1995).

    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/21/opinion/abroad-at-home-faith-in-reason.html

    Maybe not quite an inner circle but a loose affiliation of important people who make big decisions. They don’t have jobs and most likely don’t sit on boards. But they make decisions above the levels of Deep State or party politics. They are as likely to be found in Newton, Massachusetts as in Chevy Chase or McLean.

  56. If there was an ‘Inner Party’–what end result is it trying to accomplish by inflicting this debacle onto the world?

    If there is no Inner Party, and this debacle is borne out of incompetence and greed—again– what can we expect from that end result?

    Finally, if there is no Inner Party, and this debacle is a necessary consequence of rational fear and flattening the curve, what is that end result?

    It turns out they all converge on the same outcome: A ‘Fourth Worlding‘. This is where the 3rd world invades advanced economies (kinda like the virus). The connected, good thinkers, tech wizards and government employees/pensioners continue to enjoy First World living, while Deplorables, small business owners, middle-class gets relegated to the ghetto living and a 3rd world lifestyle.

    ‘Intent’s got nothin to do with it’.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Hail
    Great post.

    I don't know what people mean when they write "Inner Party" as applied to the real world. I guess the idea, if "there is no Inner Party," is that Corona was less 'Hoax' (or better stated here by a term I have grown fond of as shorthand, the Corona Coup D'Etat) than 'Mass Delusion,' pushed from below and not orchestrated from above. Okay, but it's not hard to understand that both things can, and did, occur in tandem, each feeding off the other. A perfect storm of terribleness and misfortune, a great blow to Western Man.

    (1) The unsung birth of a CoronaReligion, or the Corona Cult, an evil religion that demands the blood-sacrifice of the young, the ritual humiliation of the majority to appease its evil god. There are key telltale signs of a Corona as apocalyptic religious cult and that a mass-conversion event occurred. Some will shy from the 'religion' label and will much prefer to call it a mass-delusion and mass-hysteria event promoted by a bloodthirsty media and the most poisonous sort of social media effect.

    The anti-CoronaPanic people, which includes top experts (to the extent they are ever asked, which they seldom are), are the heretics in CoronaReligion. Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, Dr. John Ioannidis, Dr. Knut Wittkowski, and so many others are servants of the Devil in the world of the CoronaCult. The Doomers, wackos, all people whom CoronaCult deems ESSENTIAL, and assorted political opportunists are all CoronaSaints. And last but not least, all members of the Holy Media are the new religion's chief evangelists;

    (2) A coup d'etat-like series of events as opportunists, most of them pre-existing elites of one tier or another (encompassing the conceptual 'Inner Party,' if one wants to use the term) -- and most of them enthusiastic members of the new religion, CoronaCult-recruits, if you will -- all piled onto an unremarkable viral pandemic, kicking up such a storm of dust around the nucleus of the CoronaFluff. Their media (which is part of the power apparatus) kept the stream of CoronaParanoia goingwhile they carried out the Corona Coup D'Etat.

    So it was an intractable mix of panicked-overreaction and conscious power-grabbing. No one was able to mount opposition, and few were even willing to take an anti-CoronaPanic stand, just as so few were willing to question the existence of witches in 1690s Massachusetts.

    I don't see how it's necessarily a cosmic mystery. What makes less sense on its face is: "Why are some respected alt-media embracing a police state?" (by Catte Black, OffGuardian editor, April 12)

    To that I'd say: Many more fell victim to the hoax/delusion than will be willing to admit it by summer or by next year. It's not their fault as such. There are malicious guilty parties, but most just fell for the panuc. Secondarily, a fair number of this type of person (Alt Media, so called) are themselves something of Doomers by inclination, and couldn't resist the huge empowerment of that class by the evil CoronaCult. A tertiary explanation is that some did indeed 'cheer on' and maliciously promote the hoax/delusion to help "bring down the system." (See also "Say ‘No’ to jockeying for political advantage on the coattails of Corona Hysteria"). This mix of panic and deliberate opportunism is no different than the mix of motivations on the pro-CoronaPanic side to begin with.

    Prediction: The CoronaCult will soon begin to hollow out, going into the kind of decline that such apocalypse cults always do. Everyone will claim that they knew there were no WMD all along and were always against the war, and that their vote for the war was a clerical error, the ballot was confusing.

    , @Corvinus
    "while Deplorables, small business owners, middle-class gets relegated to the ghetto living and a 3rd world lifestyle."

    I didn't realize making 100K to 400K per year, living in a nice home with sportsball on three 4K tv's, with two cars and a boat in the driveway, along with modest savings constitutes "ghetto living".

    The more you know...
  57. When I had a small business one of the problems was that when customers had a complaint they would always exaggerate, so that it was difficult to get to the bottom of it. Similarly, when some pundit says that X lied about something or other then I always switch off.

    I remember when people said that Bush in the USA, and Blair in the UK, LIED about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, as if they were party to a great conspiracy. The trouble is that, implicit in these sorts of allegations is the notion that our leaders and politicians are geniuses. Surely it would have been a far greater criticism (and more accurate) to simply point out that they were wrong, and that they brought about death and destruction in the Middle East because they acted on the basis of unjustified (and false) belief.

    I think conspiracy theorists are unsettled by the seeming contingency of events. They have to believe that things happen for a reason because otherwise the world has no meaning or purpose. So they invoke human agency where there is none. Another classic example was the death of Princess Diana. Nothing could have been more unexpected or senseless, so we were presented with all sorts of odd theories involving Prince Philip and Satanists.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    I remember when people said that Bush in the USA, and Blair in the UK, LIED about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, as if they were party to a great conspiracy.
     
    Regardless of whether Bush or Blair knew the truth and were therefore part of the conspiracy, there certainly *was* a conspiracy involving conspirators who knew the WMD meme was a completely bogus pretext for an invasion they had conspired to cause.
  58. @anon
    I wonder how much of Iger's wealth is tied up in stock, like maybe DIS? There is an obvious answer to the question "why".

    A real-deal Inner Party would not be visible in the sense of a Bob Iger or pace' Twinkie executives on hospital boards. An Inner Party would be people who are never in the spotlight, who influence the Bob Igers with a quiet word via a mutual friend.

    Did Bob Iger ever go to Davos? Is Davos the Inner Party? Something more inner than that? At this point we start down the rabbit hole.

    But...

    Rhetorical question: who ever heard of Jeff Epstein before 2016 or so? How many others like him exist, quietly making billions with "money management" of some kind, but smart enough to not get busted with teenaged girls 'massaging" them? More than one?

    Twinkie
    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.”

    Maybe they don't want to get in trouble. You could ask Seth Rich about that.

    There's something a lot bigger out there than used to was. Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC. That's why Liddy et al were in Watergate when they got caught. Obama obviously had no problem when he used the FISA court, the FBI and other alphabet assets to put massive surveillance on the Trump campaign and early administration. Isn't that kind of domestic spying the job an Inner Party would want done?

    Why did Obama do that? Cui bono?

    There’s something a lot bigger out there than used to was. Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC.

    The complete politicization of the agencies and bureaucracy took place under the Clintons. When Bush got elected, Job 1 should have been mass firings across both, but of course he did nothing of the kind and the Permanent Opposition grew. It then metastasized under Obama who particularly decimated the military brass. Trump came in and also didn’t do much to clean house. It’s so far gone now that you’d have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    So much for draining the swamp.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    It’s so far gone now that you’d have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    B-b-but Sean Hannity says that 99% of the people who work at our intelligence agencies are fine Americans doing a great job for us!

    Further evidence that Sean, despite the talents that have made him a fortune, is kind of an idiot.

    BTW, during the investigation of Hillary's email scandal, Sean told us that he had connections in the FBI who assured him that if Comey didn't file charges against Hillary, thousands of agents would resign in protest.
    , @bomag

    It’s so far gone now that you’d have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.
     
    Problem is that every exposed surface and the air itself is infused with politics; plus the pipeline of replacements from the academy and elsewhere is pretty well lost: they walk around with meters measuring everyone's skin tone and decide accordingly, etc.
  59. @Mr McKenna
    Are there any billionaires not married to shiksehs at this point?

    Going down the top 30…

    Sheldon Adelson married an Israeli physician who turned him into the hyper-Zionist he is now. Given the man’s age and the fact that he doesn’t look like Clint Eastwood, I suspect ‘Adelson’ is really Miriam pulling the strings.

    Sergey Brin married Anne Wojcicki (half), but they split up.

    Of course, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, and Larry Ellison all married out. So a little more than half married out, which is pretty typical for American Jews these days.

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men–Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with ‘good breeding’?) So…maybe not so dumb.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with ‘good breeding’?) So…maybe not so dumb.
     
    Not dumb at all.

    I don't think these guys are overvaluing IQ. The most important thing in a spouse is quality of character and shared values. But while you have to look at her everyday, you also have to talk to her ... and deal with the consequences of her decisions.

    But even more important is ... your kids. Most of your happiness--or lack thereof--before you shuffle off this mortal coil ... i.e. to have more happiness and less coil ... will be how your family is faring. Are your children and their children doing well. Is your legacy a good one that will grow and prosper down through the ages?

    Of course this isn't just IQ. It's intelligence, conscientiousness, decency, good judgment, good character, health. But yeah, that's what matters.

    There are plenty of reasonably attractive women. But any man marrying a gal who is attractive, but is stupid or self-absorbed or ill-disciplined or disloyal or BPD ... etc. etc. is a fool.

    You're not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes--which you're going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.
    , @Jack D

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men–Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.
     
    I think this is just the modern pattern for where tech guys (billionaire or not) meet their spouses nowadays and how our elites have become socially stratified. Maybe if you run beauty pageants for a living you'll meet and marry a model (Trump) but tech guys don't. Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3).


    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty. In the past, a doctor might marry his nurse or an executive his secretary but in the past nurse and secretary were considered suitable careers for even high IQ women while today those same women would become doctors and executives themselves.
  60. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:

    “We live in a world in which relatively few people—maybe 500 or 1,000—make the important decisions”—Philip B. Heymann of Harvard Law School (quoted by Anthony Lewis, New York Times, April 21, 1995).

    https://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/21/opinion/abroad-at-home-faith-in-reason.html

    Maybe not quite an inner circle but a loose affiliation of important people who make big decisions.

    Also, why trust those people outside the inner circle when they opine that there is no inner circle, that it’s just a stupid conspiracy? And we know they’re not within the inner circle because the first rule of the inner circle is never to talk about the inner circle to those outside the inner circle.*

    *I happened to overhear a couple of inner-circlers talking about this when they were out walking their cocker spaniels on Beacon Hill. 😀

  61. Follow the money, always. 2 business things about “burnishing his legacy:” having nothing to do with COV19:

    1. Apple could today buy Disney for cash. And they very well might; it eliminates another streaming and content competitor. https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/17/could-apple-really-buy-disney.aspx And related to that-
    2. The Disney streaming service, after “The Mandolorian” buzz died, has not been a huge success. The market inevitably is going to consolidate.

    This story is from March 17th. If anything Disney’s hand has gotten way worse. Disney cruises, wow. Really when some of your biggest assets are dependent on huge crowds in them parks, tourism, hotels, resorts and entertainment hubs, et al this pandemic is really, really, bad. Apple by contrast is probably not missing a beat spare some retail outlets being closed.

  62. @HoekomSA
    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.

    For instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish even though the Jews consist about 1-2% of the US population. This has been so since virtually the beginning of the media business in the late 1800's.
    Now the Ashkenazim are a clever people with an IQ of about 110-112. This means at the higher level in an organisation that need high intellectual firepower, they should be 10x over represented. So the Jews should be about 10-20% of the executives not a consistent 60-80%.

    Also power attracts power. Power crazy people appoint backslide-lickers as cronies who form a relatively permanent Cabal. This you see in large companies and politics. By the way studies have shown that the percentage of psychopaths in top positions of a company exceed those in prisons (about 22%)

    Lastly you have the real people with agendas who consistently push in one direction. They obviously make mistakes and can be at times stupid and arrogant, but they do have a consistent agenda and to enter those circles you have to go with the agenda. Here is a nice quote
    "Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." –
    David Rockefeller, MEMOIRS, page 405

    As they say " treason never prospers because when it does non dare call it treason"

    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.

    For instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish even though the Jews consist about 1-2% of the US population. This has been so since virtually the beginning of the media business in the late 1800’s.

    Good comment Hoekom SA. There’s no super-secret inner party that is competently on top of things. But we have this absolute disaster of takeover–especially ideological takeover–by a middle man minority pushing and propagandizing in one direction. Now the US–and from the US the West–has been absolutely pickled in this toxic ideology, Jewish minoritarianism.

    So pickled, that if you poke your head up and speak some common sense:

    “Hey wait a minute this is stupid and flat out illogical. A society, a nation, a civilization must–first order–reproduce itself. A nation that has an ideology or group that attacks the nation’s core isn’t healthy…. It’s got cancer and must kill it if the nation is going to survive!”

    … people look at you like you are the nut. Their brains are so pickled with this minoritarian garbage, 5th grade math and reasoning are beyond them.

    People are not on average, all that smart. (Civilization is only a few thousand years old, we’re barely as smart as it took to get here.) Independently reasoning is hard for most folks. And reasoning against the tide of what you are constantly told is harder.

    As they say ” treason never prospers because when it does non dare call it treason”

    Spot on.

    • Replies: @Sean

    or instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish
     
    It can seem that way. Jews tend to excel at what their host society values most. You could argue that Jews excel by taking things too far, as with the way they have altered French philosophy, or Anglo Saxon business corporations.
  63. Remember the old WASP obsession with ‘good breeding’?

    You misunderstand what was meant by “good breeding”. You could always look it up.

  64. @Anon
    The more you think about it, the more Disney is in deep shit.

    Cruise ships? Horrible business. You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it'd take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    Movies? More animation I guess. How do you even shoot a movie safely in the Hollywood manner with all the crew? Will stars be required to live in strict protective sequestration for months? Scripts are evaluated for ruining time, location scouting, budgeting, and casting. Now add to that plague safety. And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now. (Not Disney, but I just thought of James Cameron: He just had to get the Avatar sequels perfect, and delayed so much that he now has four movies that cost a trillion dollars that are gonna be sold as DVDs at Wal-Mart.)

    Theme parks: the tight rides. The submarines in the 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney Sea will have to be limited to single couples or families. The whole lines and pre-ride areas can't be fixed by six-feet rules. The spittle-inducing scream rides? The jammed parades and water shows? At the very least the parks will need to cut their max capacity of the parks to a third. I reckon that all rides will be by reservation. Fast Pass machines are themselves a hazard. Maybe a return to an updated ticket book, no E tickets, but preassigned rides at preassigned times? And will there be more problems when vibrant guests are asked to obey more rules, when the right to disobey rules is part of their reparations? Six-foot Sarah viral videos?

    Cruise ships have been the site of various communicable disease outbreaks over the years including fatalities. This was a known problem ignored by the industry. Like China’s wild animal markets in a way.

    There may be no profitable way to safely run a cruise ship.

    Plus they encourage obesity. No tears here if that industry fails.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    It keeps people I wouldn’t like out of places I do like. Philadelphia has the same function.
  65. @Anon
    The more you think about it, the more Disney is in deep shit.

    Cruise ships? Horrible business. You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it'd take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    Movies? More animation I guess. How do you even shoot a movie safely in the Hollywood manner with all the crew? Will stars be required to live in strict protective sequestration for months? Scripts are evaluated for ruining time, location scouting, budgeting, and casting. Now add to that plague safety. And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now. (Not Disney, but I just thought of James Cameron: He just had to get the Avatar sequels perfect, and delayed so much that he now has four movies that cost a trillion dollars that are gonna be sold as DVDs at Wal-Mart.)

    Theme parks: the tight rides. The submarines in the 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney Sea will have to be limited to single couples or families. The whole lines and pre-ride areas can't be fixed by six-feet rules. The spittle-inducing scream rides? The jammed parades and water shows? At the very least the parks will need to cut their max capacity of the parks to a third. I reckon that all rides will be by reservation. Fast Pass machines are themselves a hazard. Maybe a return to an updated ticket book, no E tickets, but preassigned rides at preassigned times? And will there be more problems when vibrant guests are asked to obey more rules, when the right to disobey rules is part of their reparations? Six-foot Sarah viral videos?

    The Disney Theme parks had already raised their prices into the stratosphere too, creating a lot of grumbling among their most loyal customers. I would expect the cancellation numbers among Southern California residents for their year round passes to be high. They are going to have to offer significant deals when they reopen. This may not be a profitable part of their business again for years.

    • Replies: @Travis
    depends on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine / Quinine / quercetin and zinc

    Maybe Disney could sell reduced cost green tea or Tonic water infused with zinc to all customers to prevent CV infections while banning obese and elderly patrons due to their increase risk of COVID-19
  66. @SFG
    Going down the top 30...

    Sheldon Adelson married an Israeli physician who turned him into the hyper-Zionist he is now. Given the man's age and the fact that he doesn't look like Clint Eastwood, I suspect 'Adelson' is really Miriam pulling the strings.

    Sergey Brin married Anne Wojcicki (half), but they split up.

    Of course, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, and Larry Ellison all married out. So a little more than half married out, which is pretty typical for American Jews these days.

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men--Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with 'good breeding'?) So...maybe not so dumb.

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with ‘good breeding’?) So…maybe not so dumb.

    Not dumb at all.

    I don’t think these guys are overvaluing IQ. The most important thing in a spouse is quality of character and shared values. But while you have to look at her everyday, you also have to talk to her … and deal with the consequences of her decisions.

    But even more important is … your kids. Most of your happiness–or lack thereof–before you shuffle off this mortal coil … i.e. to have more happiness and less coil … will be how your family is faring. Are your children and their children doing well. Is your legacy a good one that will grow and prosper down through the ages?

    Of course this isn’t just IQ. It’s intelligence, conscientiousness, decency, good judgment, good character, health. But yeah, that’s what matters.

    There are plenty of reasonably attractive women. But any man marrying a gal who is attractive, but is stupid or self-absorbed or ill-disciplined or disloyal or BPD … etc. etc. is a fool.

    You’re not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes–which you’re going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor

    You’re not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes–which you’re going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.
     
    You mean we have a moral obligation to pay attention to the genetics of our children get?! Shazam.

    That's one thing parents used to help out with. Prospects were expected to be acceptable to each family. I guess now that's called Patriarchal. But I sure do see a lot of men and women in their 30s with that 1,000 stare look, like why didn't someone help us! It can be pretty tragic
    , @Reg Cæsar

    You’re not just marrying a girl (or guy)
     
    Actually, parents today breathe a sigh of relief that their son is marrying a girl.

    When one of my steprelatives moved to San Francisco in the 1980s, he soon shacked up with a girl. A generation earlier his WASP family would have covered something like this up. They were more open about him, though, because the alternative would have been more embarrassing.
    , @Thoughts
    Totally agree.

    But some people will marry down simply due to a limited supply of high-value partners
  67. @AnotherDad

    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.

    For instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish even though the Jews consist about 1-2% of the US population. This has been so since virtually the beginning of the media business in the late 1800’s.
     
    Good comment Hoekom SA. There's no super-secret inner party that is competently on top of things. But we have this absolute disaster of takeover--especially ideological takeover--by a middle man minority pushing and propagandizing in one direction. Now the US--and from the US the West--has been absolutely pickled in this toxic ideology, Jewish minoritarianism.

    So pickled, that if you poke your head up and speak some common sense:

    "Hey wait a minute this is stupid and flat out illogical. A society, a nation, a civilization must--first order--reproduce itself. A nation that has an ideology or group that attacks the nation's core isn't healthy.... It's got cancer and must kill it if the nation is going to survive!"

    ... people look at you like you are the nut. Their brains are so pickled with this minoritarian garbage, 5th grade math and reasoning are beyond them.

    People are not on average, all that smart. (Civilization is only a few thousand years old, we're barely as smart as it took to get here.) Independently reasoning is hard for most folks. And reasoning against the tide of what you are constantly told is harder.

    As they say ” treason never prospers because when it does non dare call it treason”
     
    Spot on.

    or instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish

    It can seem that way. Jews tend to excel at what their host society values most. You could argue that Jews excel by taking things too far, as with the way they have altered French philosophy, or Anglo Saxon business corporations.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Jews are good salesmen, a skill which readily translates to showmanship. They have always been prominent in the theatrical arts. This was already true long before TV and movies existed.
  68. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    To be honest, your comment and Steve Sailer’s piece itself are a pair of bizarre straw-man arguments that are irrelevant to the ostensible topic, Bob Iger and his on-and-off retirement.

    Steve Sailer, in a confessional mood, tells us that he had hypothesized that Iger, anticipating major problems at Disney stemming from COVID-19, had decided to get the hell out and enjoy the good life:

    “As things fell apart over subsequent weeks, I came to assume that this was a rare example of a well-informed elite seeing the handwriting on the wall and deciding at age 69 that he’d earned his retirement and he would now let a younger man deal with the coming crisis.”

    Sailer then castigates himself for “conspiratorial thinking.”

    But newsflash: An individual seeing trouble ahead and deciding to get out of the way is NOT a conspiracy or indicative of an “inner party.” Sure, you needed to be better informed than the average person, but Iger didn’t have to be the Sybil to foresee that there might be significant problems from COVID-19. So Sailer’s hypothesis was perfectly plausible if, in the end, not entirely correct.

    What’s bizarre here is Steve Sailer’s subjecting himself to a Maoist “struggle session.”

    And guess what? Human beings DO conspire. We are conspiratorial animals just as we are social animals. Some–even many–conspiracy theories are ultimately wrong or even absurd, but that doesn’t change the fact that conspiracy is quite normal human competitive behavior. And another thing: conspiracy and incompetence have never been mutually exclusive. You just have to look at Watergate to see that.

    So let’s jettison the Occam’s Razor nonsense and the confessions of guilt for the thoughtcrime of espousing “conspiracy theories.”

    • Agree: ben tillman, Testing12
    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Twinkie

    To be honest
     
    Are you ordinarily dishonest?
  69. @El Dato
    Twitter observatory and execellent op-ed outlet RT reports that the world is slowly getting back to normal as the usual shit float again on top:

    China denies discriminating against 'African brothers' & says accusations by US govt are attempt at diplomatic sabotage

    Last week, the US consulate in Guangzhou alleged that local officials had ordered bars and restaurants not to serve African clients, purportedly out of fear that foreigners could be infected with coronavirus. The consulate also claimed that the city was forcing those who came in contact with anyone from Africa to go into quarantine.
     

    Believe all women? New York Times only remembers its journalistic skepticism when it’s Biden in the crosshairs

    The Intercept ran a story in March on how Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer, claimed that in 1993 Biden pushed her against a wall, groped her, and penetrated her with his fingers. Reade had spoken up about the alleged incident a year earlier, but was met with accusations that she was doing Russia’s bidding. The US media was still doing ‘Russiagate’ back then, remember? The story was ignored by every single mainstream TV news network for more than a week. Few print news sites covered it. The New York Times only ran the story this Sunday, in a feature-length article dismissing the allegations entirely.
     

    Last week, the US consulate in Guangzhou alleged that local officials had ordered bars and restaurants not to serve African clients, purportedly out of fear that foreigners could be infected with coronavirus. The consulate also claimed that the city was forcing those who came in contact with anyone from Africa to go into quarantine.

    Just disgust.

    The US–and the rest of the world–has a legit bone to pick with China.

    They’ve shown that they are a crappy global citizen–surprise! And that we can have global supply chains running through China, given their behavior and refusal to reform. (The wet market reopening was a big f-u to the world.) Let’s concentrate on picking that bone, while–more importantly–disengaging from China.

    To see us wasting cycles pushing our–much more lethal!–minoritarian pathology at them is just ridiculous.

    • Agree: duncsbaby
  70. @UK
    They are simply too ignorant to even begin to comprehend how hard it is to run things, so they not only bizarrely assume they'd do a better job, but then launch into the ridiculous idea that anyone would do so, unless they were repeatedly choosing to f*CK up on purpose.

    If you want to see who really runs things, then don’t look at the top guy. He’s a deer in the headlights, much too exposed to make cool, rational decisions. His ace in the hole is his right-hand man who, being out of the lime light, is free to think and do the right thing. So, who he chooses as his wingman is all important.

    This is not to say that the top gun is incompetent, just that his function is to lead and that’s a different thing from strategizing. Nor is it to say that he himself, as wing man, would have been incompetent, just that they have different functions. Often a competent wingman is uncomfortable with or not particularly effective at being cast in the lead role.

    From the top of a mountain you can see the horizon in all directions, but you can’t see the transition between the peak and the foreground, the fore slope. To see the transition, to make the connection, to be in contact with the flatlands, you have to move off of the top, out to a shoulder of the hill.

    From any spot on the shoulder, your view is restricted to what’s in front of you. You preside over a quadrant, a particular domain. So the top guy sees all but is in contact with none of the particulars. For connection, he relies on his lieutenants, who are positioned on the aforementioned shoulders.

    A lieutenant sees all that lies before him, at his feet, but is vulnerable to attack from behind. He can be blindsided by an untrustworthy executive, some one higher up the slope. So we say we rely on our superiors to “have our back”.

  71. @Anon7
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that we didn't / don't know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

    As a nation, we need to see China's lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there's no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we'd better come up with one.

    “until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. ”

    I thought they said quite the opposite.

  72. @AnotherDad

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with ‘good breeding’?) So…maybe not so dumb.
     
    Not dumb at all.

    I don't think these guys are overvaluing IQ. The most important thing in a spouse is quality of character and shared values. But while you have to look at her everyday, you also have to talk to her ... and deal with the consequences of her decisions.

    But even more important is ... your kids. Most of your happiness--or lack thereof--before you shuffle off this mortal coil ... i.e. to have more happiness and less coil ... will be how your family is faring. Are your children and their children doing well. Is your legacy a good one that will grow and prosper down through the ages?

    Of course this isn't just IQ. It's intelligence, conscientiousness, decency, good judgment, good character, health. But yeah, that's what matters.

    There are plenty of reasonably attractive women. But any man marrying a gal who is attractive, but is stupid or self-absorbed or ill-disciplined or disloyal or BPD ... etc. etc. is a fool.

    You're not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes--which you're going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.

    You’re not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes–which you’re going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.

    You mean we have a moral obligation to pay attention to the genetics of our children get?! Shazam.

    That’s one thing parents used to help out with. Prospects were expected to be acceptable to each family. I guess now that’s called Patriarchal. But I sure do see a lot of men and women in their 30s with that 1,000 stare look, like why didn’t someone help us! It can be pretty tragic

    • Replies: @The Alarmist

    But I sure do see a lot of men and women in their 30s with that 1,000 stare look, like why didn’t someone help us! It can be pretty tragic
     
    If you can get them to look up from their mobiles long enough. It would be fun to watch them function in a world where they might have to talk to one another face to face rather than hooking up by swiping right.
  73. There certainly is an inner group within every country. You are assuming competence and being on the inside are related and they usually are not.

    It was extremely obvious to any curious person in January that this virus was very serious and was going to have an incredible impact. There were ZERO people in any part of the US establishment that got this at that point in time. The Red Dawn email string is a great example of how clueless the inner group was.

    The message yet to get out to the public is that this is now how life is. The inner group has now caught up (mostly) and is planning for a world of almost unimaginable lack of civil liberties.

  74. anon[361] • Disclaimer says:

    I actually admire Iger for trying to help Disney in this time of need. Sure vanity and pride or involved but thousands of peoples jobs or at stake and if he is not a sociopath this should weigh on him. The worst is when a guy writes a book about his career and goes on tour while his organization or project is going up in flames and doesn’t seem to be doing anything about it. Disney is in trouble because people have to trust flying for their U.S. properties to really fill up. Assuming they trust Disney. My only complaint is ESPN. They will go at least, two months without showing sports and our we going to get a refund for this. The screamer hosts shows or not worth the money we are paying ESPN.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    All the more reason to cut the cord.
  75. @Bill Jones
    "Scripts are evaluated for ruining time"

    Ain't that the truth Dr Freud?

    Find the other two copyediting misses for the win.

  76. @anon
    Why can't we do a nationwide test of immunity? A sample size of 250 would give you an answer within a few percent.

    We want to make sure we aren't 30% or more through this. In a political campaign, you use a larger sample usually, but those things are either pretty close or no one bothers polling anyway.

    Note that a sample size of 1000 is only 2x as accurate, not 4x cause you take the square root.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/howcan-a-poll-of-only-100/

    Note that stratified random sampling reduces the needed sample size also.

    You can get some good numbers with what seem to be intuitively small sample sizes.

    Rules in NYC allow tests only on the hospitalized. Tests are more precious than gold. Any suggestion of random tests on asymptomatics will be laughed out.

    In a memo to providers, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene reiterated that only hospitalized patients with symptoms should be testing for COVID-19 to preserve resources and swabs for patients with severe illness.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/492486-officials-warn-that-new-york-city-could-run-out-of-coronavirus-test-swabs

    • Replies: @anon
    @epebble

    I am talking about antibody testing. To determine the percent of the population that is "immune".

    I think we are at the 1%-3% level. Closer to 1%. We need to eliminate the wishful thinking that large numbers of Americans are immune from asymptomatic exposure. Or, if so confirm that notion. I would be surprised but happy to be wrong.

    There is no reason to hoard antibody tests.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/los-angeles-county-launches-large-scale-covid-19-antibody-study-n1182031
  77. The biggest failing of leadership of all in this covid-19 mess:

    In the developing world, in countries such as Uganda, India and Indonesia with little social safety net, the lockdown is catastrophic, and people are literally starving to death.

    It is clearly a violation of human rights for any government to tell people to stay at home, without ensuring that household’s supply of food and life’s basics, including continuing housing.

    Yet we have almost no developing world leader, speaking out against this insanity. Leaders of India and Indonesia, for example, barely hesitated to order starvation and death for their own people, in order to please international masters seeking their ‘coronavirus cooperation’.

    It is simply satanism, to impose a ‘lockdown’ on any poor population, without giving them the means of economic survival to get through the days and weeks of deprivation.

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/04/scamdemic-catastrophic-hungry-third-world.html

    • Agree: theMann
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    If you look at the history books the #1 all time cause of civil domestic violence, &c is named bread riots.

    What you have in places like India is a lit fuse and freight cars full of dynamite at the end of it. This is very likely to become very ugly very fast.
  78. Hm, what is the interagency that Mr “that’s colonel to you” Vindman referred to in his testimony during the Trump impeachment hearings?

    It sounds very inner party to me.

    Who is the interagency’s boss if it’s not the duly elected president?

    If someone says they’re run by consensus I will respond with something to the effect of, “The louder they speak of their consensus; the faster I believe that they’re boss told them to deny his existence.”

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  79. @El Dato
    Twitter observatory and execellent op-ed outlet RT reports that the world is slowly getting back to normal as the usual shit float again on top:

    China denies discriminating against 'African brothers' & says accusations by US govt are attempt at diplomatic sabotage

    Last week, the US consulate in Guangzhou alleged that local officials had ordered bars and restaurants not to serve African clients, purportedly out of fear that foreigners could be infected with coronavirus. The consulate also claimed that the city was forcing those who came in contact with anyone from Africa to go into quarantine.
     

    Believe all women? New York Times only remembers its journalistic skepticism when it’s Biden in the crosshairs

    The Intercept ran a story in March on how Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer, claimed that in 1993 Biden pushed her against a wall, groped her, and penetrated her with his fingers. Reade had spoken up about the alleged incident a year earlier, but was met with accusations that she was doing Russia’s bidding. The US media was still doing ‘Russiagate’ back then, remember? The story was ignored by every single mainstream TV news network for more than a week. Few print news sites covered it. The New York Times only ran the story this Sunday, in a feature-length article dismissing the allegations entirely.
     

    The plan seems to be to somehow continue with diversity training even though there are no jobs.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    What are you talking about, diversity training IS a job. To modern Leftists, there is literally no distinction between productive and non-productive work (even the old Communists understood better) so if 100% of the population "works" giving (or receiving) government mandated diversity seminars or even if the government just mails everyone a check for not working, this is fine. All the government has to do is keep issuing those checks and everything will be great.
  80. I’m pretty sure that if there is an Inner Party, its members wouldn’t appear on TV or have news articles printed about them.

  81. @Anon7
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that we didn't / don't know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

    As a nation, we need to see China's lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there's no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we'd better come up with one.

    Maybe it’s not a coincidence that we didn’t / don’t know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    So? It was a virus that caused respiratory illness. Did the illustrious Dr. Fauci not perhaps wonder that maybe the Chinese were lying and that a respiratory illness might – you know – be spread through the air? By late January there were already nightly news reports from Wuhan showing men in haz-mat suits hosing down the streets in Wuhan with………..something………….disinfectant presumably. Hell, for all we know it could have been bat piss. It seemed like the kind of useless gesture that governments often engage in to appear to be “doing something”

    And yet, in mid February, Fauci was assuring USA Today that the threat to the american public from coronavirus was “miniscule” and – oh – don’t bother wearing a mask, you silly peon:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

    Fauci is a life-long federal government bureaucrat. He’s an incompetent hack.

  82. @Anon
    Prince Phillip's dream came true, and he has secretly died and been reincarnated as a virus.

    No preparing for an escaped lab mouse, or improperly handled lab mouse waste that a wild rat might have sniffed in a dumpster. No accounting for a 12 Monkeys scenario where one ecowarrior lab worker takes it upon himself to lift the lid on Pandora's box and cull the human herd. An asteroid would have given us more warning.

    I hope Phillip is happy........he got his wish.

    I had to Google this: “In 1988, he said: ‘In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.’”

    Interesting.

  83. @HoekomSA
    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.

    For instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish even though the Jews consist about 1-2% of the US population. This has been so since virtually the beginning of the media business in the late 1800's.
    Now the Ashkenazim are a clever people with an IQ of about 110-112. This means at the higher level in an organisation that need high intellectual firepower, they should be 10x over represented. So the Jews should be about 10-20% of the executives not a consistent 60-80%.

    Also power attracts power. Power crazy people appoint backslide-lickers as cronies who form a relatively permanent Cabal. This you see in large companies and politics. By the way studies have shown that the percentage of psychopaths in top positions of a company exceed those in prisons (about 22%)

    Lastly you have the real people with agendas who consistently push in one direction. They obviously make mistakes and can be at times stupid and arrogant, but they do have a consistent agenda and to enter those circles you have to go with the agenda. Here is a nice quote
    "Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." –
    David Rockefeller, MEMOIRS, page 405

    As they say " treason never prospers because when it does non dare call it treason"

    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.

    Agreed.

    Ingsoc is a bad model for the World’s elite. A better model is the aristocracy of the high middle ages. The powers-that-be are a self-annointed aristocracy. People move into it and people move out of it. The people who are in it don’t all agree – they often contend with one another for power and privilege. But one thing that they all can agree on is that they are better than us – the hoi polloi – and that they deserve to rule over us.

    • Replies: @Peter D. Bredon
    "Ingsoc is a bad model for the World’s elite. A better model is the aristocracy of the high middle ages. "

    So what are E Michael Jones and Moldbug bitching about? You just can't make some people happy.
  84. There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.

    What a dopey thing to say. Conspiracy theories do not entail the existence of an “Inner Party” in the sense you mean here: some shadowy, cohesive, stable, ultra-talented group manipulating the world like a band of puppet-masters.

    Any illicit thing done by more than one person is a conspiracy. Done in secret, it is a secret conspiracy. People are routinely pilloried as conspiracy theorists for positing the existence of secret conspiracies involving no super-villains.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    The US Government certainly seems to believe in "conspiracy theories":

    https://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/bulletins/overall/monthlyfeb20/gui/

    Table 2 shows the top lead charges recorded in the convictions of matters filed in U.S. District Court during February 2020.

    Lead Charge Count Rank 1yr ago 5yrs ago

    21 USC 846 - Attempt and conspiracy 604 4 4 3

    18 USC 371 - Conspiracy to commit 80 10 14 10
    offense or to defraud US
  85. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Joe Biden’s top pick for Veep is beginning to enrage voters in her own state. Among other antics, she’s fining people $1000 for standing closer than 6 feet to another person. Apparently, she thinks this will save her black constituency in Detroit. However, it hasn’t occurred to her that even blacks don’t want to be forced to pay 1000 bucks for standing too close together.

    ttps://bongino.com/petition-to-recall-michigan-governor-passes-150000-signatures/

  86. @eD
    The plan seems to be to somehow continue with diversity training even though there are no jobs.

    What are you talking about, diversity training IS a job. To modern Leftists, there is literally no distinction between productive and non-productive work (even the old Communists understood better) so if 100% of the population “works” giving (or receiving) government mandated diversity seminars or even if the government just mails everyone a check for not working, this is fine. All the government has to do is keep issuing those checks and everything will be great.

  87. @Anon
    Prince Phillip's dream came true, and he has secretly died and been reincarnated as a virus.

    No preparing for an escaped lab mouse, or improperly handled lab mouse waste that a wild rat might have sniffed in a dumpster. No accounting for a 12 Monkeys scenario where one ecowarrior lab worker takes it upon himself to lift the lid on Pandora's box and cull the human herd. An asteroid would have given us more warning.

    I hope Phillip is happy........he got his wish.

    Well, I guess that is more ambitious than his son Prince Charles, who remarked in a secretly recorded phone call to Camilla, while he was still married to Diana, that he wanted to live in her trousers, but his luck would have him as her tampon: “My luck to be chucked down a lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down.”

    Have you ever noticed that as Phillip ages and his skin thins, he looks more and more like the Alien Lizard some people claim the Royals and other TPTB really are?

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    Don't know about lizards and have no idea about Princess Anne's orientation, but as to the sobriquet "horse-faced", neighhhhhhhh!
  88. @El Dato
    Twitter observatory and execellent op-ed outlet RT reports that the world is slowly getting back to normal as the usual shit float again on top:

    China denies discriminating against 'African brothers' & says accusations by US govt are attempt at diplomatic sabotage

    Last week, the US consulate in Guangzhou alleged that local officials had ordered bars and restaurants not to serve African clients, purportedly out of fear that foreigners could be infected with coronavirus. The consulate also claimed that the city was forcing those who came in contact with anyone from Africa to go into quarantine.
     

    Believe all women? New York Times only remembers its journalistic skepticism when it’s Biden in the crosshairs

    The Intercept ran a story in March on how Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer, claimed that in 1993 Biden pushed her against a wall, groped her, and penetrated her with his fingers. Reade had spoken up about the alleged incident a year earlier, but was met with accusations that she was doing Russia’s bidding. The US media was still doing ‘Russiagate’ back then, remember? The story was ignored by every single mainstream TV news network for more than a week. Few print news sites covered it. The New York Times only ran the story this Sunday, in a feature-length article dismissing the allegations entirely.
     

    If Reade was accusing Trump, you would have no problem dismissing her allegations (though the NY Times wouldn’t). There are numerous problems with her story.

    Reade had spoken up about the alleged incident a year earlier,

    At which time she accused Biden of much less serious conduct but left out the part where she now claims that he stuck his hand up her lady parts. Or you might say “grabbed her by the pussy”. Changing your story over time is not good for your credibility.

    but was met with accusations that she was doing Russia’s bidding.

    Because she was in fact on record as praising Putin. Of course this has nothing to do with her credibility nor does it prove that she is on Russia’s payroll, but it does at the very least call into account her judgment. And don’t bother telling me how you think that Putin is a great guy too.

  89. @Redneck farmer
    "No one ever retires anymore" is why the kids had such high hopes for Corona-Chan.

    Yeah, I’ve heard a lot of boomer remover jokes.

    • Replies: @Kronos
    Keep in mind this was released in August 2019...

    https://youtu.be/S195dc3-8D8
  90. @SFG
    Going down the top 30...

    Sheldon Adelson married an Israeli physician who turned him into the hyper-Zionist he is now. Given the man's age and the fact that he doesn't look like Clint Eastwood, I suspect 'Adelson' is really Miriam pulling the strings.

    Sergey Brin married Anne Wojcicki (half), but they split up.

    Of course, Larry Page, Mark Zuckerberg, and Larry Ellison all married out. So a little more than half married out, which is pretty typical for American Jews these days.

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men--Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with 'good breeding'?) So...maybe not so dumb.

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men–Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.

    I think this is just the modern pattern for where tech guys (billionaire or not) meet their spouses nowadays and how our elites have become socially stratified. Maybe if you run beauty pageants for a living you’ll meet and marry a model (Trump) but tech guys don’t. Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3).

    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty. In the past, a doctor might marry his nurse or an executive his secretary but in the past nurse and secretary were considered suitable careers for even high IQ women while today those same women would become doctors and executives themselves.

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Since this threadlet started with Mrs Iger, here's a tale from her teens. She's already interested in business, and visits the offices of Seventeen to apply for an internship there. They took one look and said, "Oh, no. You're going on the cover.

    She got an MBA from NYU, and co-starred in a cable travel show with Matt Lauer, of all people. Perhaps it was her rejection that explains his subsequent behavior.
    , @R.G. Camara

    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty.

     

    Yeah, no. It's just that women in tech are usually uglier women, and because there so few women in tech that a 5 becomes a 10. And tech guys are notoriously socially awkward and don't go out or know how to socialize, so any woman in the vicinity showing even a modicum of interest in them has them on a leash in seconds.

    Smart, plain women who can do a bit of math or code know that in Silicon Valley their constant proximity to all those awkward nerds makes them the queen bees. Unless the guy leaves the tech world and starts being more gregarious (Elon Musk or Mark Cuban).

    Hot women don't need to climb the Silicon Valley ladder. They can just wait until there's a a tech billionaire out at a party they're at and grab him. The problem is most tech billionaires are too awkward to go out.

    Stacey Keibler never had to learn to code to get a rich tech guy. She just showed up looking like Stacey Keibler---and friend zoned the geek until her eggs were getting scarce. Poof! Now she's set for life.

    The idea that tech guys are more concerned with brains in their brides is silly. They are men.

    , @Polynikes
    "Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3). "

    Are you telling us you have objective information that Trump is less happy than some random tech CEO?
    , @SFG
    Something like 40% of doctors are married to other doctors, I think.

    There are fewer female techies, so that might be it.
  91. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    So Steve is denying Operation Mockingbird now? The historical ignorance is astounding.

    I went to the store today and they didn’t have any lemons. It doesn’t mean that lemons don’t exist in the world. What a terrible argument.

    – Operation Mockingbird indicates the CIA’s involvement in the manipulation of the news published in the United States and across the world. Today, one can identify such manipulation with fake news

    – Operation Mockingbird commonly refers to the CIA’s involvement in journalism during the 1970s

    The CIA bribed students as well as established journalists and reporters to write a CIA version of the events

    – Senator Frank Church established the Church Committee in order to investigate ‘government operations and potential abuses’

    – The CIA admitted their manipulation of mainstream media in order to change the American people’s mind and published the Family Jewels.

    https://schoolhistory.co.uk/notes/operation-mockingbird/

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So Steve is denying Operation Mockingbird now?
     
    Remember when "Operations" had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    The nadir has to be Operation Uphold Democracy, though the oxymoronic Iraqi Freedom was pretty bad, too. Do vets sit around the VFW reminiscing, "Yeah, I was in Operation Uphold. Those were the days!"
  92. I’d focus less on the actions of Bob Iger (not exactly a nexus of conspiracy-theorizing) to prove/disprove conspiracy theories and more on the actions of someone like Bill Gates.

    Then again, if you still naively believe after all this time that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, there is probably no point in debate.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    I believe in a lot of conspiracies. But outside of a brain washing job by MKULTRA---of which we have no proof, sadly, since the CIA burned the files---the most viable theory is still that rabid communist Oswald acted alone in murdering the anti-communist Kennedy.
    , @utu
    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation was Bill Gates entrance ticked to the Inner Party. With launching it in 2000 all problems Microsoft faced with anti-trust actions disappeared.
  93. @Rosie

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     
    I don't think this follows at all. Elites can't and don't need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events, and continue to push incrementally for trends they desire, sometimes by simply obstructing efforts to change or reverse them.

    Elites can’t and don’t need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events

    [AGREE].

    No better example than the Corona Coup D’Etat.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "No better example than the Corona Coup D’Etat."

    Which doesn't exist.
  94. OT: Hey Steve, check out the NYC COVID hospital admissions decision tree shown in this article. It includes race and obesity as factors. The final split is white/non-white, with interesting results.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/nyu-scientists-largest-u-s-study-of-covid-19-finds-obesity-the-single-biggest-factor-in-new-york-critical-cases/

  95. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    “I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.”

    I doubt that it went down as you say it did, but your story is only one data point.

    “People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.”

    I would venture to say that 50-70% of companies, large or small, overall have competent leadership. But Sailer’s cagey point–he is not about to directly speak his mind about conspiracy theorists or theories, as he depends upon some of the posters here for coin–has merit.

    • Replies: @RSDB

    I doubt that
     
    I doubt that you doubt it.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson Three

    I would venture to say that 50-70% of companies, large or small, overall have competent leadership.
     
    I would venture to say that you make up whatever numbers suit you agenda. But thanks for your fictitious musings.
  96. @Hail

    Elites can’t and don’t need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events
     
    [AGREE].

    No better example than the Corona Coup D'Etat.

    “No better example than the Corona Coup D’Etat.”

    Which doesn’t exist.

  97. @AnotherDad

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with ‘good breeding’?) So…maybe not so dumb.
     
    Not dumb at all.

    I don't think these guys are overvaluing IQ. The most important thing in a spouse is quality of character and shared values. But while you have to look at her everyday, you also have to talk to her ... and deal with the consequences of her decisions.

    But even more important is ... your kids. Most of your happiness--or lack thereof--before you shuffle off this mortal coil ... i.e. to have more happiness and less coil ... will be how your family is faring. Are your children and their children doing well. Is your legacy a good one that will grow and prosper down through the ages?

    Of course this isn't just IQ. It's intelligence, conscientiousness, decency, good judgment, good character, health. But yeah, that's what matters.

    There are plenty of reasonably attractive women. But any man marrying a gal who is attractive, but is stupid or self-absorbed or ill-disciplined or disloyal or BPD ... etc. etc. is a fool.

    You're not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes--which you're going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.

    You’re not just marrying a girl (or guy)

    Actually, parents today breathe a sigh of relief that their son is marrying a girl.

    When one of my steprelatives moved to San Francisco in the 1980s, he soon shacked up with a girl. A generation earlier his WASP family would have covered something like this up. They were more open about him, though, because the alternative would have been more embarrassing.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    As a side note, getting laid in San Francisco by a woman is shockingly easy if you're a normal straight white male.

    The abundance of gays and trannies, the tech bros. with less-than-zero social skills and incredibly bad hygiene, and the emasculated nature of left-wing men in that city means if you happen to shower and dress, be able to mildly flirt, and aren't embarrassed of your masculinity you can pretty much guarantee getting a decent looking girl to go to bed the same night you meet her.

  98. @Art Deco
    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.

    I've never crossed paths with any such person. I have crossed paths with vain fools who fancy they're in the know and you aren't.

    “I’ve never crossed paths with any such person.”

    You most assuredly have on this fine blog. Whiskey, anyone?

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    I don't hold with conspiracy theory. No need to. Our elites can't shut up.
  99. @The Alarmist
    Well, I guess that is more ambitious than his son Prince Charles, who remarked in a secretly recorded phone call to Camilla, while he was still married to Diana, that he wanted to live in her trousers, but his luck would have him as her tampon: “My luck to be chucked down a lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down.”

    Have you ever noticed that as Phillip ages and his skin thins, he looks more and more like the Alien Lizard some people claim the Royals and other TPTB really are?

    Don’t know about lizards and have no idea about Princess Anne’s orientation, but as to the sobriquet “horse-faced”, neighhhhhhhh!

  100. anon[784] • Disclaimer says:
    @epebble
    Rules in NYC allow tests only on the hospitalized. Tests are more precious than gold. Any suggestion of random tests on asymptomatics will be laughed out.

    In a memo to providers, the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene reiterated that only hospitalized patients with symptoms should be testing for COVID-19 to preserve resources and swabs for patients with severe illness.
     
    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/492486-officials-warn-that-new-york-city-could-run-out-of-coronavirus-test-swabs

    I am talking about antibody testing. To determine the percent of the population that is “immune”.

    I think we are at the 1%-3% level. Closer to 1%. We need to eliminate the wishful thinking that large numbers of Americans are immune from asymptomatic exposure. Or, if so confirm that notion. I would be surprised but happy to be wrong.

    There is no reason to hoard antibody tests.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/los-angeles-county-launches-large-scale-covid-19-antibody-study-n1182031

  101. Hail says: • Website
    @Bitfu
    If there was an 'Inner Party'--what end result is it trying to accomplish by inflicting this debacle onto the world?

    If there is no Inner Party, and this debacle is borne out of incompetence and greed---again-- what can we expect from that end result?

    Finally, if there is no Inner Party, and this debacle is a necessary consequence of rational fear and flattening the curve, what is that end result?

    It turns out they all converge on the same outcome: A 'Fourth Worlding'. This is where the 3rd world invades advanced economies (kinda like the virus). The connected, good thinkers, tech wizards and government employees/pensioners continue to enjoy First World living, while Deplorables, small business owners, middle-class gets relegated to the ghetto living and a 3rd world lifestyle.

    'Intent's got nothin to do with it'.

    Great post.

    I don’t know what people mean when they write “Inner Party” as applied to the real world. I guess the idea, if “there is no Inner Party,” is that Corona was less ‘Hoax’ (or better stated here by a term I have grown fond of as shorthand, the Corona Coup D’Etat) than ‘Mass Delusion,’ pushed from below and not orchestrated from above. Okay, but it’s not hard to understand that both things can, and did, occur in tandem, each feeding off the other. A perfect storm of terribleness and misfortune, a great blow to Western Man.

    (1) The unsung birth of a CoronaReligion, or the Corona Cult, an evil religion that demands the blood-sacrifice of the young, the ritual humiliation of the majority to appease its evil god. There are key telltale signs of a Corona as apocalyptic religious cult and that a mass-conversion event occurred. Some will shy from the ‘religion’ label and will much prefer to call it a mass-delusion and mass-hysteria event promoted by a bloodthirsty media and the most poisonous sort of social media effect.

    The anti-CoronaPanic people, which includes top experts (to the extent they are ever asked, which they seldom are), are the heretics in CoronaReligion. Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, Dr. John Ioannidis, Dr. Knut Wittkowski, and so many others are servants of the Devil in the world of the CoronaCult. The Doomers, wackos, all people whom CoronaCult deems ESSENTIAL, and assorted political opportunists are all CoronaSaints. And last but not least, all members of the Holy Media are the new religion’s chief evangelists;

    (2) A coup d’etat-like series of events as opportunists, most of them pre-existing elites of one tier or another (encompassing the conceptual ‘Inner Party,’ if one wants to use the term) — and most of them enthusiastic members of the new religion, CoronaCult-recruits, if you will — all piled onto an unremarkable viral pandemic, kicking up such a storm of dust around the nucleus of the CoronaFluff. Their media (which is part of the power apparatus) kept the stream of CoronaParanoia goingwhile they carried out the Corona Coup D’Etat.

    So it was an intractable mix of panicked-overreaction and conscious power-grabbing. No one was able to mount opposition, and few were even willing to take an anti-CoronaPanic stand, just as so few were willing to question the existence of witches in 1690s Massachusetts.

    I don’t see how it’s necessarily a cosmic mystery. What makes less sense on its face is: “Why are some respected alt-media embracing a police state?” (by Catte Black, OffGuardian editor, April 12)

    To that I’d say: Many more fell victim to the hoax/delusion than will be willing to admit it by summer or by next year. It’s not their fault as such. There are malicious guilty parties, but most just fell for the panuc. Secondarily, a fair number of this type of person (Alt Media, so called) are themselves something of Doomers by inclination, and couldn’t resist the huge empowerment of that class by the evil CoronaCult. A tertiary explanation is that some did indeed ‘cheer on’ and maliciously promote the hoax/delusion to help “bring down the system.” (See also “Say ‘No’ to jockeying for political advantage on the coattails of Corona Hysteria“). This mix of panic and deliberate opportunism is no different than the mix of motivations on the pro-CoronaPanic side to begin with.

    Prediction: The CoronaCult will soon begin to hollow out, going into the kind of decline that such apocalypse cults always do. Everyone will claim that they knew there were no WMD all along and were always against the war, and that their vote for the war was a clerical error, the ballot was confusing.

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    To the list of your heretics I would add the renowned virologist Dr Alexander Kekulé (yes, a direct descendant of the chemist, he of the famous dream) who has lately declared that the lockdown will likely do far more damage than the virus would ever have done.

    His point is this: let the old die, and let the young inherit the earth, rather than be bankrupted so that the old might live another halting few years.
    , @Cortes
    A presentation about 20 years ago by a visiting Dutch expert to management and selected techies I attended at my then place of work was entertaining education at its finest. The techies were seated midway down the hall and to the right. The Dutch guy was outlining a bunch of scenarios which could arise and would canvas opinion on different options via a show of hands.

    As the scenarios and options became more difficult to assess, when the call for the show of hands was made the bulk of those we techies could see seated ahead began to look round before casting their vote. After a couple of such votes I looked around myself and noted that the CEO and his deputy were standing at the back of the hall having slipped in at the last minute.

    Voting “correctly” provides the true herd immunity.
  102. @Oscar Peterson
    To be honest, your comment and Steve Sailer's piece itself are a pair of bizarre straw-man arguments that are irrelevant to the ostensible topic, Bob Iger and his on-and-off retirement.

    Steve Sailer, in a confessional mood, tells us that he had hypothesized that Iger, anticipating major problems at Disney stemming from COVID-19, had decided to get the hell out and enjoy the good life:

    "As things fell apart over subsequent weeks, I came to assume that this was a rare example of a well-informed elite seeing the handwriting on the wall and deciding at age 69 that he’d earned his retirement and he would now let a younger man deal with the coming crisis."
     
    Sailer then castigates himself for "conspiratorial thinking."

    But newsflash: An individual seeing trouble ahead and deciding to get out of the way is NOT a conspiracy or indicative of an "inner party." Sure, you needed to be better informed than the average person, but Iger didn't have to be the Sybil to foresee that there might be significant problems from COVID-19. So Sailer's hypothesis was perfectly plausible if, in the end, not entirely correct.

    What's bizarre here is Steve Sailer's subjecting himself to a Maoist "struggle session."

    And guess what? Human beings DO conspire. We are conspiratorial animals just as we are social animals. Some--even many--conspiracy theories are ultimately wrong or even absurd, but that doesn't change the fact that conspiracy is quite normal human competitive behavior. And another thing: conspiracy and incompetence have never been mutually exclusive. You just have to look at Watergate to see that.

    So let's jettison the Occam's Razor nonsense and the confessions of guilt for the thoughtcrime of espousing "conspiracy theories."

    To be honest

    Are you ordinarily dishonest?

  103. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    Yep. Just keep repeating the corporate buzzwords of Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity, and keep from being in anyone’s bulls eye.

    A few months ago I responded honestly to an anonymous survey the company sent out. They published the broad-brush results today.

    Of the many metrics, Respect and Value received one of the highest grades from employees. People of all cultures and backgrounds feel respected and valued.

    Those that received the lowest grades were Recognition, Accountability, and Promotions. We work hard, and raises have been scarce. Promotions have been scarce for most engineering personnel, and there are people in key positions who have failed in their roles over and over, but keep their jobs.

    How did the company choose to respond? By forming a Leadership Development Forum (LDF) to focus on Engagement, Culture, Diversity, and Inclusion. Remember that according to their own survey, this was one of the things they were already doing right.

    Ignore the problem. Fix what isn’t broken. Diversity is our strength!
    This is corporate leadership in the 21st Century.

  104. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.
    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge."

    There are a very few times in human history when extremely exceptional individuals had enough power and influence to affect all the human race on a global scale. Examples would be Genghis Khan conquering Eurasia, or Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years(Roman Emperors were not called Caesar for no reason). But you need to have very extreme levels of intelligence, ability, energy, talent and personality to do that. Extreme outliers who are at or above six standard-deviations above ordinary humans are not exactly easy to come by. These are one-in-a-billion to one-in-ten-billion individuals.

    For the most part, you are right: the World is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for elite individuals and groups to effectively control it. The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them. And even then, it is extremely difficult because there is a lot of competition with other elite individuals and groups that have diametrically opposite interests.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand. The reason why things happen the way they do is do to extremely complicated interactions of apparently unrelated facts that number in the trillions. Even extremely intelligent people get confused trying to get a "big picture" of everything, and they usually are only able to have certain theories on why some aspects of the totalityof the World behave the way they do. Nobelists and intellectuals can do no better than propose suppositions about why things are the way they are, and then support their suppositions with evidence and propose experiments and comparisons to asses whether their suppositions are true. If the very smart struggle, what hope is there for average people?

    But a conspiracy theory is something that everyone can understand. Humans are social primates that play games of interpersonal trickery on each other to achieve dominance(resources, attractive mates, etc). It goes back to high school, and bitchy girls gossiping to each other.

    It's much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven't risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down. Listening to an explanation that involves concepts like comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, etc, is just frustrating not only because it is inscrutable, but because there is no one specific to place the blame. Humans like to anthropomorphize the sources of their pain and suffering, and impersonal and complex culprits are just not attractive.

    Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years

    You are confusing Julius with Octavian/Augustus. Julius is probably one of the most overrated renowned historic figures in terms of long term influence, other than the fact that he paved the way for Augustus.

    Of course, even at the time the Romans had very little direct influence over Persia, India and Central Asia – regions of which they were certainly aware.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    No, I am not confusing at all. Juluis Caesar was 1,000,000 X greater than his grand-nephew; in fact, Octavian himself would not consider himself as great as Caesar. Roman Emperors are called "Caesar" and not "Octavian" for a reason.

    Caesar was a much greater general than Octavian ever could be. The biggest military defeat in Roman history, the disaster of Teutoborg Wald, happened during Augustus' reign. Caesar conquered Gaul, Helvetia, western Hispania and northwestern Africa. He landed in Britain and pacified the natives. He defeated the Visigoths and then build fortifications along the Rhine to stop them from invading the empire. Those frontiers would remain stable for 400 years.

    Caesar is also one of the greatest Latin prose stylists of all times. His Commentaries on the Gallic and Civil wars are classics of World literature, and studied to this day as models of concision and precision in the use of language. As a jurist, Caesar was rivaling Hortensius, who was one of the Rome's greatest lawyers, when he was only 12 years old. As an orator, he was a match for Cicero, who is considered the greater orator in history.

    He was also a polymath and a man of vision. Highly intelligent and curious, he studied astronomy and reformed the Calendar. The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.

    As a political puppeteer and maipulator, he remains unmatched to this day. He started out as an impoverished politician from a minor Patrician family and ended up outwitting everyone and a de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.

    As a general, he surpassed both Cornelius Scipio and Pompey. As a writer, he is compared to Virgil and Ovid. As a jurist and orator, he matched Cicero. As a stateman, he is so supreme that his name became a synonym for supreme ruler. The words "Kaiser" in German and "Tsar" in Russian come from Caesar.

    And Octavian wouldn't have accomplished anything if Caesar didn't name him his heir. Octavian was a brilliant politician, but his grand-uncle was even greater at that, and Octavian did not have the multi-talents of his grand-uncle.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson Three
    Yes, of course Peter.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.
     
    Right! Because the heirs of Ghenghis Khan, and his brother Don, have dominated human history and produced all the advances we have seen from about 1400 AD right up until now.

    Let us recount some advances: crop rotation, printing press, scientific method, individual rights, division of labor, representative democracy, steam engine, sanitary waste control, telegraphy, telephony, antibiotics, computing, nuclear technology, space travel and human rights. No wet markets. In medicine, physics, chemistry, product development, and especially in the realm of human flourishing it is always one of the 2 Billion descendants of that ultimate horn-dog Genghis leading the way. It is why no one wants to immigrate to America and everyone looks to get in under the penumbra of G. Khan.

    Alexander was a patriarch in our tradition. What is your tradition?
    , @Hebrew National

    Julius is probably one of the most overrated renowned historic figures in terms of long term influence, other than the fact that he paved the way for Augustus.
     
    True. Julius destroyed the Republic but didn't live to establish the next big thing — which Augustus did.

    I guess it helps your renoun to write popular books about your exploits.
  105. There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.

    BINGO!

  106. @WIll
    If there's no Inner Party, why is one of Iger's sons named Robert Maxwell Iger?

    Are any named Jeffrey Epstein Iger? That would be the real giveaway.

  107. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:

    Bernie has just endorsed Senilo G. Oliver.

    Wonder what he was offered.

    • Replies: @peterike

    Wonder what he was offered.

     

    The word for what Bernie was offered is "graft." The specifics of it, while interesting, don't really matter.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    How his devotees can be enthusiastic about Bernie is beyond me. Granted he can rant and rave with the best of them, but basically he's a wimp who can't even stand up for himself, much less challenge the existing order.
  108. @Jack D

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men–Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.
     
    I think this is just the modern pattern for where tech guys (billionaire or not) meet their spouses nowadays and how our elites have become socially stratified. Maybe if you run beauty pageants for a living you'll meet and marry a model (Trump) but tech guys don't. Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3).


    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty. In the past, a doctor might marry his nurse or an executive his secretary but in the past nurse and secretary were considered suitable careers for even high IQ women while today those same women would become doctors and executives themselves.

    Since this threadlet started with Mrs Iger, here’s a tale from her teens. She’s already interested in business, and visits the offices of Seventeen to apply for an internship there. They took one look and said, “Oh, no. You’re going on the cover.

    She got an MBA from NYU, and co-starred in a cable travel show with Matt Lauer, of all people. Perhaps it was her rejection that explains his subsequent behavior.

  109. @Anon
    So Steve is denying Operation Mockingbird now? The historical ignorance is astounding.

    I went to the store today and they didn't have any lemons. It doesn't mean that lemons don't exist in the world. What a terrible argument.

    - Operation Mockingbird indicates the CIA’s involvement in the manipulation of the news published in the United States and across the world. Today, one can identify such manipulation with fake news

    - Operation Mockingbird commonly refers to the CIA’s involvement in journalism during the 1970s

    - The CIA bribed students as well as established journalists and reporters to write a CIA version of the events

    - Senator Frank Church established the Church Committee in order to investigate ‘government operations and potential abuses’

    - The CIA admitted their manipulation of mainstream media in order to change the American people’s mind and published the Family Jewels.

    https://schoolhistory.co.uk/notes/operation-mockingbird/

    So Steve is denying Operation Mockingbird now?

    Remember when “Operations” had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    The nadir has to be Operation Uphold Democracy, though the oxymoronic Iraqi Freedom was pretty bad, too. Do vets sit around the VFW reminiscing, “Yeah, I was in Operation Uphold. Those were the days!”

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    Remember when “Operations” had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    It's like when warships had names like "HMS Revenge" and "HMS Resolution," whereas they now have names like "USS Gabrielle Giffords" and "USS Harvey Milk" (the latter full of seamen, of course).
    , @Anonymous
    I think operation names are supposed to be cryptic? What's the point of them otherwise? A casual eavesdropper overhearing them is supposed to remain clueless as to what they mean.
    , @J.Ross
    "Operation Just Cause," the invasion of Panama.
  110. @RichardTaylor

    You’re not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes–which you’re going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.
     
    You mean we have a moral obligation to pay attention to the genetics of our children get?! Shazam.

    That's one thing parents used to help out with. Prospects were expected to be acceptable to each family. I guess now that's called Patriarchal. But I sure do see a lot of men and women in their 30s with that 1,000 stare look, like why didn't someone help us! It can be pretty tragic

    But I sure do see a lot of men and women in their 30s with that 1,000 stare look, like why didn’t someone help us! It can be pretty tragic

    If you can get them to look up from their mobiles long enough. It would be fun to watch them function in a world where they might have to talk to one another face to face rather than hooking up by swiping right.

  111. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    I don’t get it. The fact that moron medical administrators panicked about COVID-19 has nothing to do with confirming or disconfirming any alleged conspiracy ever.

  112. Yes, except remember: these articles are written by the exact same corporate media that covered up or refused to acknowledge or investigate real conspiracies. And launched a coordinated coup attempt against President Trump based on patently false Russia Hoax allegations.

    These folks would certainly cover for Iger, a far-lefty who is one of their own. Heck, the Times was just caught on Sunday red-handed covering for Joe Biden’s sex assault and smearing his victim,; and let’s not forget about Sarah Jeong, their white hating hire.

    Sure, often times the folks at the top are idiots and not that far thinking, but they are almost always conspiratorial and backstabbing and vicious to the Nth degree, as well as morally degenerate and full of iniquities. So we get Death of Stalin type situations—which can lead to many people dead, tortured, and enslaved.

    In short, I don’t trust the white hating NY Times for ten seconds in this article, covering for a fellow beloved communist Iger.

  113. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years

    You are confusing Julius with Octavian/Augustus. Julius is probably one of the most overrated renowned historic figures in terms of long term influence, other than the fact that he paved the way for Augustus.

    Of course, even at the time the Romans had very little direct influence over Persia, India and Central Asia - regions of which they were certainly aware.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.

    No, I am not confusing at all. Juluis Caesar was 1,000,000 X greater than his grand-nephew; in fact, Octavian himself would not consider himself as great as Caesar. Roman Emperors are called “Caesar” and not “Octavian” for a reason.

    Caesar was a much greater general than Octavian ever could be. The biggest military defeat in Roman history, the disaster of Teutoborg Wald, happened during Augustus’ reign. Caesar conquered Gaul, Helvetia, western Hispania and northwestern Africa. He landed in Britain and pacified the natives. He defeated the Visigoths and then build fortifications along the Rhine to stop them from invading the empire. Those frontiers would remain stable for 400 years.

    Caesar is also one of the greatest Latin prose stylists of all times. His Commentaries on the Gallic and Civil wars are classics of World literature, and studied to this day as models of concision and precision in the use of language. As a jurist, Caesar was rivaling Hortensius, who was one of the Rome’s greatest lawyers, when he was only 12 years old. As an orator, he was a match for Cicero, who is considered the greater orator in history.

    He was also a polymath and a man of vision. Highly intelligent and curious, he studied astronomy and reformed the Calendar. The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.

    As a political puppeteer and maipulator, he remains unmatched to this day. He started out as an impoverished politician from a minor Patrician family and ended up outwitting everyone and a de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.

    As a general, he surpassed both Cornelius Scipio and Pompey. As a writer, he is compared to Virgil and Ovid. As a jurist and orator, he matched Cicero. As a stateman, he is so supreme that his name became a synonym for supreme ruler. The words “Kaiser” in German and “Tsar” in Russian come from Caesar.

    And Octavian wouldn’t have accomplished anything if Caesar didn’t name him his heir. Octavian was a brilliant politician, but his grand-uncle was even greater at that, and Octavian did not have the multi-talents of his grand-uncle.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Well, Octavian learned one great lesson from the life of Caesar, which was to never forgive your opponents, but to destroy them without mercy. He even had Cleopatra's children killed because they might have opposed him in future. This policy clearly served him well as he died in his bed, unlike his uncle.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.
     
    Where the преисподняя do you live? We use the Gregorian here.
    , @R.G. Camara

    de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.
     
    Quibble here. The system that Caesar replaced was a weak new system installed by Sulla over the crumbling edifice of the old Republican system.

    Sulla had tried to reform the Republic's system because in the face of Rome moving, over centuries, from a small, ethnically homogenous city-state of farmers to a large, multi-ethnic empire composed of conquered peoples of various jobs and positions and vast class division---well, the old Republic system wasn't cut out for the new empire. Sulla failed, because he didn't go far enough. The checks and balances were almost useless, and the empire would either collapse into separate kingdoms or else converge into a authoritarian state.

    Caesar recognized that the only way to rule such a multi-ethnic, large empire was a dictatorship, and put himself forward as the most benevolent dictator for the job as nicely as he thought he had to. When the Romans killed him for it, Augustus wisely went even more sotto voce with his dictatorship ---but a dictator he was.

    , @Thoughts
    Zuckerberg is that you?
  114. @Jack D

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men–Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.
     
    I think this is just the modern pattern for where tech guys (billionaire or not) meet their spouses nowadays and how our elites have become socially stratified. Maybe if you run beauty pageants for a living you'll meet and marry a model (Trump) but tech guys don't. Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3).


    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty. In the past, a doctor might marry his nurse or an executive his secretary but in the past nurse and secretary were considered suitable careers for even high IQ women while today those same women would become doctors and executives themselves.

    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty.

    Yeah, no. It’s just that women in tech are usually uglier women, and because there so few women in tech that a 5 becomes a 10. And tech guys are notoriously socially awkward and don’t go out or know how to socialize, so any woman in the vicinity showing even a modicum of interest in them has them on a leash in seconds.

    Smart, plain women who can do a bit of math or code know that in Silicon Valley their constant proximity to all those awkward nerds makes them the queen bees. Unless the guy leaves the tech world and starts being more gregarious (Elon Musk or Mark Cuban).

    Hot women don’t need to climb the Silicon Valley ladder. They can just wait until there’s a a tech billionaire out at a party they’re at and grab him. The problem is most tech billionaires are too awkward to go out.

    Stacey Keibler never had to learn to code to get a rich tech guy. She just showed up looking like Stacey Keibler—and friend zoned the geek until her eggs were getting scarce. Poof! Now she’s set for life.

    The idea that tech guys are more concerned with brains in their brides is silly. They are men.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    You must not know any tech guys if you think Keibler's husband is a "geek:"

    https://i2.wp.com/www.usmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/stacy-keibler-jared-pobre.jpg

    He runs a shady online ad company that got deregistered a year ago. Of course, you're right that tech guys are awkward and care about looks too, but my impression is that many care a lot about brains too.
  115. @Jack D

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men–Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.
     
    I think this is just the modern pattern for where tech guys (billionaire or not) meet their spouses nowadays and how our elites have become socially stratified. Maybe if you run beauty pageants for a living you'll meet and marry a model (Trump) but tech guys don't. Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3).


    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty. In the past, a doctor might marry his nurse or an executive his secretary but in the past nurse and secretary were considered suitable careers for even high IQ women while today those same women would become doctors and executives themselves.

    “Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3). ”

    Are you telling us you have objective information that Trump is less happy than some random tech CEO?

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    I am reminded of Chris Rock's contrast between a committed relationship and banging random groupies:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp39zD6_cLU
    , @Jack D
    Really I have no idea but I don't get the feeling that Melania is really having the time of her life.
  116. @Jack D

    The one thing I do notice, regardless of whether the spouse or the billionaire is Jewish, in looking this up is that techie billionaires do seem to place more value on the IQs of their spouses than usual for rich men–Lucinda Southworth (Mrs. Larry Page) was a researcher, as was Ms. W, Mrs. Adelson was a physician, and Zuckerberg famously married his college sweetheart.
     
    I think this is just the modern pattern for where tech guys (billionaire or not) meet their spouses nowadays and how our elites have become socially stratified. Maybe if you run beauty pageants for a living you'll meet and marry a model (Trump) but tech guys don't. Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3).


    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty. In the past, a doctor might marry his nurse or an executive his secretary but in the past nurse and secretary were considered suitable careers for even high IQ women while today those same women would become doctors and executives themselves.

    Something like 40% of doctors are married to other doctors, I think.

    There are fewer female techies, so that might be it.

  117. @anon
    Alternatively, the conspiracists are half-right: there are lots of wannabe Inner Parties, with all that implies; but they're all just as dumb as the rest of us.

    “the conspiracists are half-right: there are lots of wannabe Inner Parties, with all that implies; but they’re all just as dumb as the rest of us.”

    Indeed. Case in point: the alt-right/arktos/iran clusterfuck; aka, Burn After Reading: The True Story

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2017/10/the-altright-corporation-and-the-american-deep-state/

  118. OT

    Won’t someone please think of the prostitutes? I imagine drug dealers are suffering too.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/13/uk-sex-workers-in-dire-and-desperate-state-amid-coronavirus-lockdown

    “Sasha*, a mother of two, had been working in a parlour three days a week while her children were in school, earning between £40 and £70 a day. Now the 33-year-old says she has no work. She has applied for universal credit but when it arrives it will not cover her rent. “I have tried so hard to put some money by, but every week every penny gets used for one emergency or another so I have no savings,” she said.”

    I have no idea what the going rate is but £40 a day? I don’t believe it. She’d be working in a supermarket and getting more than that.

    Helena Croft, executive director of Streetlight, said the charity had seen an increase in suicide attempts among women using its service since the lockdown began. “For drugs users in prostitution it has tipped some over the edge because they are utterly desperate and cannot get access to drugs,” she said. “This situation is dire, it is desperate and the longer it goes on the more difficult it becomes.”

    I wonder if “one emergency or another” is when you run out of crack cocaine?

    There is a solution for her – as someone presumably self-employed she’ll be able to claim 80% of her annual profit (averaged over the last three years) as a wage, under Rishi Sunak’s “keep people employed” schemes. The government will have her tax returns, won’t they? Won’t they?

  119. In which Sailer falls into the government-issue indoctrination pitalls of 1035-960, positing ‘conspiracy theorists’ as a type. He adds a fallacy of composition that pushes a private-sector assemblage into the breach to make a point about the thoughtcrime of generic conspiracy theorists who also point out state-level criminality.

    Instances of ineptitude are often invoked as a general counterargument to generic strawman conspiracies. This ignores the importance of impunity. When you have impunity, ineptitude is not a problem. If you fail to blow up the WTC in 93, you just try again in 2001. If you fail to kill JFK in Chicago, you lock Abraham Bolden in the psycho ward at Saint Elizabeth’s and take another crack at JFK in Dallas. If you fail to wipe out your enemies with H1N1, you try again with COVID-19. When you’re chartered with impunity, no one’s going to stop you.

    Russ Baker highlights what he calls ruthless ineptitude. Impunity breeds ruthlessness. It also breeds ineptitude. Deniability requires delegation even as repeated delegation impairs control. They called Ed Wilson’s cell in Tripoli the gang that couldn’t shoot straight. It did not ultimately matter for anyone but the arms and legs like Ed.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Instances of ineptitude are often invoked as a general counterargument to generic strawman conspiracies. This ignores the importance of impunity. When you have impunity, ineptitude is not a problem.
     
    And there's more to it than that. Even in the absence of impunity, the incompetence of some conspirators would imply nothing about the competence of others.

    Russ Baker highlights what he calls ruthless ineptitude. Impunity breeds ruthlessness. It also breeds ineptitude.
     
    Indeed.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    This ignores the importance of impunity.

    Yes. The Deep Staters involved in the conspiracy against Trump don't seem very worried that they'll end up in jail. McCabe has already gotten a pass and I'm sure Comey expects one too. We'll see, but I'm not optimistic.
  120. @Thea
    Cruise ships have been the site of various communicable disease outbreaks over the years including fatalities. This was a known problem ignored by the industry. Like China’s wild animal markets in a way.

    There may be no profitable way to safely run a cruise ship.

    Plus they encourage obesity. No tears here if that industry fails.

    It keeps people I wouldn’t like out of places I do like. Philadelphia has the same function.

    • LOL: Thea
  121. All this preening and backpatting about how smart you all are to recognize that not everything is planned and predictable, is no different than “Not all of them are like that”.

    “James Bond stopped the bomb counter at exactly 007, so there never was an Operation Grand Slam”

  122. Conspiracy theories arise from natural human inclination to give meaning to chaos. To rationalize, to find cause-effect relations….this is all too human. The source of psychological need to find a discernible pattern in a chaotic & confusing world is not unlike our ancestors’ explanation of plagues, storms, earthquakes, crop failure, …. by actions of a deity, irritated because they or their parents had somehow incurred wrath of this or that deity (just read Homer or OT).

    Of course, some historical, social, economic..events are, to some degree, actually caused or at least provoked by different groups’ scheming to achieve …whatever they may aspire to.

    But most real changes just happen due to confluence of elements.

    Nobody “conspired” to cause the Renaissance, Reformation, Industrial Revolution, mass production, air travel, high obesity levels etc.

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere. They are just signs of times, whether in the growth or in the decline phase.

    And we cannot extrapolate, that’s for sure. As Robert Service has concluded in his biography of Lenin (a man who really conspired):

    He led the October Revolution, founded the USSR and laid out the rudiments of Marxism–Leninism. He helped to turn a world upside down. Perhaps a few years hence he will be seen to have thrust his country and, under Stalin’s leadership, a third of the world down a cul de-sac. The future does not lie with Leninist communism . But, if the future lies elsewhere, we do not know where exactly . Lenin was unexpected. At the very least, his extraordinary life and career prove the need for everyone to be vigilant. Not many historical personages have achieved this effect. Let thanks be given.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere
     
    Most or all of those things -- especially the first -- are very much due to conscious planning.
  123. @Hail
    Great post.

    I don't know what people mean when they write "Inner Party" as applied to the real world. I guess the idea, if "there is no Inner Party," is that Corona was less 'Hoax' (or better stated here by a term I have grown fond of as shorthand, the Corona Coup D'Etat) than 'Mass Delusion,' pushed from below and not orchestrated from above. Okay, but it's not hard to understand that both things can, and did, occur in tandem, each feeding off the other. A perfect storm of terribleness and misfortune, a great blow to Western Man.

    (1) The unsung birth of a CoronaReligion, or the Corona Cult, an evil religion that demands the blood-sacrifice of the young, the ritual humiliation of the majority to appease its evil god. There are key telltale signs of a Corona as apocalyptic religious cult and that a mass-conversion event occurred. Some will shy from the 'religion' label and will much prefer to call it a mass-delusion and mass-hysteria event promoted by a bloodthirsty media and the most poisonous sort of social media effect.

    The anti-CoronaPanic people, which includes top experts (to the extent they are ever asked, which they seldom are), are the heretics in CoronaReligion. Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, Dr. John Ioannidis, Dr. Knut Wittkowski, and so many others are servants of the Devil in the world of the CoronaCult. The Doomers, wackos, all people whom CoronaCult deems ESSENTIAL, and assorted political opportunists are all CoronaSaints. And last but not least, all members of the Holy Media are the new religion's chief evangelists;

    (2) A coup d'etat-like series of events as opportunists, most of them pre-existing elites of one tier or another (encompassing the conceptual 'Inner Party,' if one wants to use the term) -- and most of them enthusiastic members of the new religion, CoronaCult-recruits, if you will -- all piled onto an unremarkable viral pandemic, kicking up such a storm of dust around the nucleus of the CoronaFluff. Their media (which is part of the power apparatus) kept the stream of CoronaParanoia goingwhile they carried out the Corona Coup D'Etat.

    So it was an intractable mix of panicked-overreaction and conscious power-grabbing. No one was able to mount opposition, and few were even willing to take an anti-CoronaPanic stand, just as so few were willing to question the existence of witches in 1690s Massachusetts.

    I don't see how it's necessarily a cosmic mystery. What makes less sense on its face is: "Why are some respected alt-media embracing a police state?" (by Catte Black, OffGuardian editor, April 12)

    To that I'd say: Many more fell victim to the hoax/delusion than will be willing to admit it by summer or by next year. It's not their fault as such. There are malicious guilty parties, but most just fell for the panuc. Secondarily, a fair number of this type of person (Alt Media, so called) are themselves something of Doomers by inclination, and couldn't resist the huge empowerment of that class by the evil CoronaCult. A tertiary explanation is that some did indeed 'cheer on' and maliciously promote the hoax/delusion to help "bring down the system." (See also "Say ‘No’ to jockeying for political advantage on the coattails of Corona Hysteria"). This mix of panic and deliberate opportunism is no different than the mix of motivations on the pro-CoronaPanic side to begin with.

    Prediction: The CoronaCult will soon begin to hollow out, going into the kind of decline that such apocalypse cults always do. Everyone will claim that they knew there were no WMD all along and were always against the war, and that their vote for the war was a clerical error, the ballot was confusing.

    To the list of your heretics I would add the renowned virologist Dr Alexander Kekulé (yes, a direct descendant of the chemist, he of the famous dream) who has lately declared that the lockdown will likely do far more damage than the virus would ever have done.

    His point is this: let the old die, and let the young inherit the earth, rather than be bankrupted so that the old might live another halting few years.

    • Replies: @epebble
    A thought experiment: How many of those who are opposed to lockdown are in favor of (right to) assisted suicide? abortions? There is an analog here from the politics of Capital punishment: People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).
  124. @Barnard
    The Disney Theme parks had already raised their prices into the stratosphere too, creating a lot of grumbling among their most loyal customers. I would expect the cancellation numbers among Southern California residents for their year round passes to be high. They are going to have to offer significant deals when they reopen. This may not be a profitable part of their business again for years.

    depends on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine / Quinine / quercetin and zinc

    Maybe Disney could sell reduced cost green tea or Tonic water infused with zinc to all customers to prevent CV infections while banning obese and elderly patrons due to their increase risk of COVID-19

    • Replies: @Thoughts
    My Quercetin is stuck in shipping h*ll

    I will break down and order from a different supplier

    Ugh
    , @Barnard
    I was thinking more of the economic fallout on families and their ability/desire to take very expensive vacations than the safety factor. If you are willing to go, you have to consider the risk of contracting Covid-19 to be minimal. I would expect to see at least the rest of this year and next that a lot families will take less expensive vacations just based on ongoing economic anxiety. Disney makes their biggest money at the theme parks on the people who make that their whole vacation.
  125. @martin_2
    When I had a small business one of the problems was that when customers had a complaint they would always exaggerate, so that it was difficult to get to the bottom of it. Similarly, when some pundit says that X lied about something or other then I always switch off.

    I remember when people said that Bush in the USA, and Blair in the UK, LIED about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, as if they were party to a great conspiracy. The trouble is that, implicit in these sorts of allegations is the notion that our leaders and politicians are geniuses. Surely it would have been a far greater criticism (and more accurate) to simply point out that they were wrong, and that they brought about death and destruction in the Middle East because they acted on the basis of unjustified (and false) belief.

    I think conspiracy theorists are unsettled by the seeming contingency of events. They have to believe that things happen for a reason because otherwise the world has no meaning or purpose. So they invoke human agency where there is none. Another classic example was the death of Princess Diana. Nothing could have been more unexpected or senseless, so we were presented with all sorts of odd theories involving Prince Philip and Satanists.

    I remember when people said that Bush in the USA, and Blair in the UK, LIED about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, as if they were party to a great conspiracy.

    Regardless of whether Bush or Blair knew the truth and were therefore part of the conspiracy, there certainly *was* a conspiracy involving conspirators who knew the WMD meme was a completely bogus pretext for an invasion they had conspired to cause.

    • Replies: @North Carolina Resident
    Who are the conspirators? I've never seen a list?
  126. The Inner Party: You go back to work, Bob.

  127. CJ says:
    @Anon
    The more you think about it, the more Disney is in deep shit.

    Cruise ships? Horrible business. You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it'd take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    Movies? More animation I guess. How do you even shoot a movie safely in the Hollywood manner with all the crew? Will stars be required to live in strict protective sequestration for months? Scripts are evaluated for ruining time, location scouting, budgeting, and casting. Now add to that plague safety. And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now. (Not Disney, but I just thought of James Cameron: He just had to get the Avatar sequels perfect, and delayed so much that he now has four movies that cost a trillion dollars that are gonna be sold as DVDs at Wal-Mart.)

    Theme parks: the tight rides. The submarines in the 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney Sea will have to be limited to single couples or families. The whole lines and pre-ride areas can't be fixed by six-feet rules. The spittle-inducing scream rides? The jammed parades and water shows? At the very least the parks will need to cut their max capacity of the parks to a third. I reckon that all rides will be by reservation. Fast Pass machines are themselves a hazard. Maybe a return to an updated ticket book, no E tickets, but preassigned rides at preassigned times? And will there be more problems when vibrant guests are asked to obey more rules, when the right to disobey rules is part of their reparations? Six-foot Sarah viral videos?

    One might also mention Disney’s dependence on the Chinese market, especially for its most crapola comic book hero movies. Which aren’t even being made right now, as your post notes.

    When are people going to notice that pretty much all of the legacy television networks are owned by giant entertainment conglomerates that have vital business interests in China? Disney owns ABC, Comcast (currently building a giant theme park in Beijing) owns NBC and its mutant spawn CNBC and MSNBC, Viacom owns CBS-Nickelodeon-Paramount-MTV, Warner owns CNN. They’re all compromised by financial interests in China.

    This subject needs more attention.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Token Chinese characters are appearing with ever greater frequency in big budget Hollywood pictures. I don't know why this is being done. Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America. If they want to see a bunch of Chinese people they'll just watch their own national movies.

    Or is there some quota system in place requiring a film to have a certain % of Chinese principal characters to get shown in China?
  128. Anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, a lot of Black Bodies are getting their asses kicked in China.
    Where is “Black Lives Matter”? Ain’t none of them BLM folks speak Chinese?
    Where’s the NYT Chinese editorial writer’s racially oriented outrage?
    Doesn’t matter if they’re African primitives, they’re still black, Miss Ming!

  129. @Reg Cæsar

    You’re not just marrying a girl (or guy)
     
    Actually, parents today breathe a sigh of relief that their son is marrying a girl.

    When one of my steprelatives moved to San Francisco in the 1980s, he soon shacked up with a girl. A generation earlier his WASP family would have covered something like this up. They were more open about him, though, because the alternative would have been more embarrassing.

    As a side note, getting laid in San Francisco by a woman is shockingly easy if you’re a normal straight white male.

    The abundance of gays and trannies, the tech bros. with less-than-zero social skills and incredibly bad hygiene, and the emasculated nature of left-wing men in that city means if you happen to shower and dress, be able to mildly flirt, and aren’t embarrassed of your masculinity you can pretty much guarantee getting a decent looking girl to go to bed the same night you meet her.

  130. @AnotherDad

    But of course, people overvalue what they have (in this case intellect) because they like to feel good about themselves. And arguably one of the ways rich guys used to shoot themselves in the foot was knocking up starlets and having dumb kids with poor impulse control. (Remember the old WASP obsession with ‘good breeding’?) So…maybe not so dumb.
     
    Not dumb at all.

    I don't think these guys are overvaluing IQ. The most important thing in a spouse is quality of character and shared values. But while you have to look at her everyday, you also have to talk to her ... and deal with the consequences of her decisions.

    But even more important is ... your kids. Most of your happiness--or lack thereof--before you shuffle off this mortal coil ... i.e. to have more happiness and less coil ... will be how your family is faring. Are your children and their children doing well. Is your legacy a good one that will grow and prosper down through the ages?

    Of course this isn't just IQ. It's intelligence, conscientiousness, decency, good judgment, good character, health. But yeah, that's what matters.

    There are plenty of reasonably attractive women. But any man marrying a gal who is attractive, but is stupid or self-absorbed or ill-disciplined or disloyal or BPD ... etc. etc. is a fool.

    You're not just marrying a girl (or guy) but their genes--which you're going to co-mingle with your own to create your family. And genes matter.

    Totally agree.

    But some people will marry down simply due to a limited supply of high-value partners

  131. @Travis
    depends on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine / Quinine / quercetin and zinc

    Maybe Disney could sell reduced cost green tea or Tonic water infused with zinc to all customers to prevent CV infections while banning obese and elderly patrons due to their increase risk of COVID-19

    My Quercetin is stuck in shipping h*ll

    I will break down and order from a different supplier

    Ugh

  132. @Old Palo Altan
    To the list of your heretics I would add the renowned virologist Dr Alexander Kekulé (yes, a direct descendant of the chemist, he of the famous dream) who has lately declared that the lockdown will likely do far more damage than the virus would ever have done.

    His point is this: let the old die, and let the young inherit the earth, rather than be bankrupted so that the old might live another halting few years.

    A thought experiment: How many of those who are opposed to lockdown are in favor of (right to) assisted suicide? abortions? There is an analog here from the politics of Capital punishment: People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    Left & right people are divided over four types of killing:

    1. abortion
    2. capital punishment
    3. suicide
    4. euthanasia

    Left is, usually, for 1 & 4 and against 2, while right is, mostly, for 2 & against 1 and 4. With regard to 3, there is no consensus, though left is more tolerant.
    , @Anonymous Jew
    I think the classic trolley dilemma (flip a train switch to kill one instead of 5) provides more insight into how the left and right view the lockdown. When faced with the trolley dilemma:
    1) liberal/progressives have a tendency to fight the hypothetical and won’t accept the outcome.
    2) conservatives deliberate before reluctantly pulling the switch to kill less people.
    3) libertarians don’t hesitate, don’t think, don’t blink. 1 is less than 5. Bam.

    (I’m in the libertarian camp on the trolley dilemma. Zero hesitation)

    Our policies for addressing Coronavirus are essentially one giant and complex trolley dilemma. That’s why liberals have such a difficult time discussing it rationally.

    Probably because I’m libertarian minded/inclined - though I reject libertarianism as a guiding philosophy - I’m against the lockdown. Much of this has to do with the high value I place on individual freedom. (High but not absolute).

    , @Reg Cæsar

    People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).
     
    In other words, it's wrong to execute a 17-year-old for aggravated premeditated homicide, but it's okay to execute a 17-week-old (from conception) for criminal trespass. (Or is it rape, in view of the crime scene?) The fetus is a non-person with agency, while the woman is a person without.

    Healthy societies, natalist societies, naturally view the extermination-for-convenience of the next generation with horror. Not as a "right".

    That the word natalist is underlined in red on my device shows what kind of society we are.

  133. @peterike

    There’s something a lot bigger out there than used to was. Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC.

     

    The complete politicization of the agencies and bureaucracy took place under the Clintons. When Bush got elected, Job 1 should have been mass firings across both, but of course he did nothing of the kind and the Permanent Opposition grew. It then metastasized under Obama who particularly decimated the military brass. Trump came in and also didn't do much to clean house. It's so far gone now that you'd have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    So much for draining the swamp.

    It’s so far gone now that you’d have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    B-b-but Sean Hannity says that 99% of the people who work at our intelligence agencies are fine Americans doing a great job for us!

    Further evidence that Sean, despite the talents that have made him a fortune, is kind of an idiot.

    BTW, during the investigation of Hillary’s email scandal, Sean told us that he had connections in the FBI who assured him that if Comey didn’t file charges against Hillary, thousands of agents would resign in protest.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite

    B-b-but Sean Hannity says that 99% of the people who work at our intelligence agencies are fine Americans doing a great job for us!
     
    Hannity having a show is baffling. He knows almost nothing about anything. A number of years ago Hannity realized (read? was told?) that Woodrow Wilson was a lousy President. He went on and for a number of shows as if this was a new and innovative view of Wilson. Hannity reminds me of a "conservative" college sophomore just discovering that the prevailing view on so many people and institutions isn't actually accurate. "Wait, the UN doesn't actually do anything useful? Really?! Hey guys did you know..."

    Hannity never graduated from college (not that college necessarily equates with intelligence) and doesn't seem to be well-read or informed at all. I believe he was working as a painter or something similar when he got a talk show job. He's just a guy with a microphone. Tucker Carlson must be embarrassed to have to work with/next to the guy.
  134. @Mr. Anon

    There is no inner party but there are networks of power. and sometimes those networks do have agendas that are like an inner party.
     
    Agreed.

    Ingsoc is a bad model for the World's elite. A better model is the aristocracy of the high middle ages. The powers-that-be are a self-annointed aristocracy. People move into it and people move out of it. The people who are in it don't all agree - they often contend with one another for power and privilege. But one thing that they all can agree on is that they are better than us - the hoi polloi - and that they deserve to rule over us.

    “Ingsoc is a bad model for the World’s elite. A better model is the aristocracy of the high middle ages. ”

    So what are E Michael Jones and Moldbug bitching about? You just can’t make some people happy.

  135. @Mr McKenna

    Mr. Iger, 69, published “The Ride of a Lifetime,” an engaging work of self-hagiography. The handsome executive, who seriously considered running for president this year...
     
    You know, this is just beginning. People like Stephen Schwartzman, Jeff Bezos and Larry Ellison have got to be looking and saying "I can do that!" Trump's opened floodgates all right, just maybe not the ones everyone thought.

    Indeed, one would think that other very rich men would have an even better chance than Trump. After all, people like them. But there’s the rub. To win they would have to support policies their friends would not like, and that they themselves did not support. Most people like to be consistent, though, and Trump apparently had no problem with a bait and switch. Anyone who had the money to self-finance a primary campaign could have run on an anti-immigration platform, and won the primary, at minimum. Trump showed that none of the donor class funded candidates could steal the issue while being more attractive.

    The popularity with the cool kids is the big issue. How many people with good press would risk it by supporting populist positions? Look at Oprah. Let’s assume she wouldn’t implode on the campaign trail over substantive disagreements about policy. She would win handily. So why didn’t she run? Partly, maybe she doesn’t want to be President. She went into TV, and not politics for reasons. But what does she have to gain? Are there any policies she wants enacted that are not part of the DNC wishlist? Why run when she could just have parties for candidates? Parties are more fun. Trump was born into real estate wealth. It is quite possible he would have given politics a shot much earlier if he were self-made. If you take the position that what happened between candidate Trump and President Trump was a Deep State soft coup, and I kinda do, there were no candidates that Trump could hold fundraisers for or write checks to who supported an America First platform. He had to run himself.

    Bob Iger has spent tome and money on being popular with the business class. Would he throw that away for the adulation of Deplorables? It is to laugh.

    • Agree: Inquiring Mind
  136. @Testing12
    I'd focus less on the actions of Bob Iger (not exactly a nexus of conspiracy-theorizing) to prove/disprove conspiracy theories and more on the actions of someone like Bill Gates.

    Then again, if you still naively believe after all this time that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, there is probably no point in debate.

    I believe in a lot of conspiracies. But outside of a brain washing job by MKULTRA—of which we have no proof, sadly, since the CIA burned the files—the most viable theory is still that rabid communist Oswald acted alone in murdering the anti-communist Kennedy.

    • Replies: @dimples
    You're the one that's had the brain washing job bud.
  137. @peterike

    There’s something a lot bigger out there than used to was. Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC.

     

    The complete politicization of the agencies and bureaucracy took place under the Clintons. When Bush got elected, Job 1 should have been mass firings across both, but of course he did nothing of the kind and the Permanent Opposition grew. It then metastasized under Obama who particularly decimated the military brass. Trump came in and also didn't do much to clean house. It's so far gone now that you'd have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    So much for draining the swamp.

    It’s so far gone now that you’d have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    Problem is that every exposed surface and the air itself is infused with politics; plus the pipeline of replacements from the academy and elsewhere is pretty well lost: they walk around with meters measuring everyone’s skin tone and decide accordingly, etc.

  138. @WIll
    If there's no Inner Party, why is one of Iger's sons named Robert Maxwell Iger?

    If there’s no Inner Party, why is one of Iger’s sons named Robert Maxwell Iger?

    Ronald Prescott Reagan raised my eyebrows.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    Is Ronald Reagan jr. R.P.R? Dad was Ronald Wilson Reagan.
  139. @Hail
    Great post.

    I don't know what people mean when they write "Inner Party" as applied to the real world. I guess the idea, if "there is no Inner Party," is that Corona was less 'Hoax' (or better stated here by a term I have grown fond of as shorthand, the Corona Coup D'Etat) than 'Mass Delusion,' pushed from below and not orchestrated from above. Okay, but it's not hard to understand that both things can, and did, occur in tandem, each feeding off the other. A perfect storm of terribleness and misfortune, a great blow to Western Man.

    (1) The unsung birth of a CoronaReligion, or the Corona Cult, an evil religion that demands the blood-sacrifice of the young, the ritual humiliation of the majority to appease its evil god. There are key telltale signs of a Corona as apocalyptic religious cult and that a mass-conversion event occurred. Some will shy from the 'religion' label and will much prefer to call it a mass-delusion and mass-hysteria event promoted by a bloodthirsty media and the most poisonous sort of social media effect.

    The anti-CoronaPanic people, which includes top experts (to the extent they are ever asked, which they seldom are), are the heretics in CoronaReligion. Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, Dr. John Ioannidis, Dr. Knut Wittkowski, and so many others are servants of the Devil in the world of the CoronaCult. The Doomers, wackos, all people whom CoronaCult deems ESSENTIAL, and assorted political opportunists are all CoronaSaints. And last but not least, all members of the Holy Media are the new religion's chief evangelists;

    (2) A coup d'etat-like series of events as opportunists, most of them pre-existing elites of one tier or another (encompassing the conceptual 'Inner Party,' if one wants to use the term) -- and most of them enthusiastic members of the new religion, CoronaCult-recruits, if you will -- all piled onto an unremarkable viral pandemic, kicking up such a storm of dust around the nucleus of the CoronaFluff. Their media (which is part of the power apparatus) kept the stream of CoronaParanoia goingwhile they carried out the Corona Coup D'Etat.

    So it was an intractable mix of panicked-overreaction and conscious power-grabbing. No one was able to mount opposition, and few were even willing to take an anti-CoronaPanic stand, just as so few were willing to question the existence of witches in 1690s Massachusetts.

    I don't see how it's necessarily a cosmic mystery. What makes less sense on its face is: "Why are some respected alt-media embracing a police state?" (by Catte Black, OffGuardian editor, April 12)

    To that I'd say: Many more fell victim to the hoax/delusion than will be willing to admit it by summer or by next year. It's not their fault as such. There are malicious guilty parties, but most just fell for the panuc. Secondarily, a fair number of this type of person (Alt Media, so called) are themselves something of Doomers by inclination, and couldn't resist the huge empowerment of that class by the evil CoronaCult. A tertiary explanation is that some did indeed 'cheer on' and maliciously promote the hoax/delusion to help "bring down the system." (See also "Say ‘No’ to jockeying for political advantage on the coattails of Corona Hysteria"). This mix of panic and deliberate opportunism is no different than the mix of motivations on the pro-CoronaPanic side to begin with.

    Prediction: The CoronaCult will soon begin to hollow out, going into the kind of decline that such apocalypse cults always do. Everyone will claim that they knew there were no WMD all along and were always against the war, and that their vote for the war was a clerical error, the ballot was confusing.

    A presentation about 20 years ago by a visiting Dutch expert to management and selected techies I attended at my then place of work was entertaining education at its finest. The techies were seated midway down the hall and to the right. The Dutch guy was outlining a bunch of scenarios which could arise and would canvas opinion on different options via a show of hands.

    As the scenarios and options became more difficult to assess, when the call for the show of hands was made the bulk of those we techies could see seated ahead began to look round before casting their vote. After a couple of such votes I looked around myself and noted that the CEO and his deputy were standing at the back of the hall having slipped in at the last minute.

    Voting “correctly” provides the true herd immunity.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  140. This conversation reminds me of something someone said to the effect of “anyone who has worked in a large organization knows that large-scale conspiracies are not possible”. (Having driven a cubicle for two Fortune 500 companies – including sitting in on board meetings – I can confirm this is the case). Of course, it all depends on the number of people involved. Conspiracies involving 2 people are much safer than 20, which in turn are safer than those involving 200 and so on. Sometimes I wonder if the really crazy conspiracy theorists are on the spectrum, as it shows a certain amount of mind blindness.

    One of my favorite conspiracies was the Lance Armstrong-US Postal Team doping scandal. Interestingly, if you followed the sport closely via the European media it was obvious that Lance was doping several years before it was revealed publicly through the investigation. Too many people were involved: the team (20 or so), the coaches, wives, handlers and dealers. Things were leaked – particularly emails – and rumors swirled.

    Probably the most successful well known conspiracy was Jimmy Hoffa. And probably for the simple reason that few people were involved. Maybe the don, the consigliere, the hit man and few, if any, other people.

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what’s the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We’re social animals. This is how human societies work. But we’re really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip. Yes, yes, certain elites want to bring down Historic America by various means including demographic replacement, but that’s no secret to anybody. They’ve left us a pretty long paper trail.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Bletchley Park, where up to 10,000 people worked at one time, maintained about 99% of its secrecy into the early 1970s.
    , @peterike

    This conversation reminds me of something someone said to the effect of “anyone who has worked in a large organization knows that large-scale conspiracies are not possible”.
     
    Doesn't matter. What matters is control of the Narrative and the Megaphone. A TON of people have evidence of 9/11 being an inside job -- to name just one example -- but as long as the Narrative and Megaphone scream "these people are nut jobs!" keeping the "secret" doesn't matter at all.

    A conspiracy is safe as long as the gatekeepers don't acknowledge it.
    , @ben tillman

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what’s the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We’re social animals. This is how human societies work. But we’re really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip.
     
    The problem with your hypothesis is that you offer no basis for your conclusion that being bad at keeping secrets matters. That conclusion is wrong.

    It doesn't matter if someone talks if no one can hear him or if he is contradicted (and perhaps smeared for good measure) by the unanimous voice of the propaganda of public opinion formation.
    , @Polynikes
    Depends. Organizations that thrive on secrecy are better at it than those that are public in nature. The CIA actually has a solid track record. MKUltra being a classic example. Fortune 400 companies with at will employees, SEC filings and earnings calls are a little tougher.
  141. @Polynikes
    "Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3). "

    Are you telling us you have objective information that Trump is less happy than some random tech CEO?

    I am reminded of Chris Rock’s contrast between a committed relationship and banging random groupies:

  142. @anonymous jew
    This conversation reminds me of something someone said to the effect of "anyone who has worked in a large organization knows that large-scale conspiracies are not possible". (Having driven a cubicle for two Fortune 500 companies - including sitting in on board meetings - I can confirm this is the case). Of course, it all depends on the number of people involved. Conspiracies involving 2 people are much safer than 20, which in turn are safer than those involving 200 and so on. Sometimes I wonder if the really crazy conspiracy theorists are on the spectrum, as it shows a certain amount of mind blindness.

    One of my favorite conspiracies was the Lance Armstrong-US Postal Team doping scandal. Interestingly, if you followed the sport closely via the European media it was obvious that Lance was doping several years before it was revealed publicly through the investigation. Too many people were involved: the team (20 or so), the coaches, wives, handlers and dealers. Things were leaked - particularly emails - and rumors swirled.

    Probably the most successful well known conspiracy was Jimmy Hoffa. And probably for the simple reason that few people were involved. Maybe the don, the consigliere, the hit man and few, if any, other people.

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what's the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We're social animals. This is how human societies work. But we're really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip. Yes, yes, certain elites want to bring down Historic America by various means including demographic replacement, but that's no secret to anybody. They've left us a pretty long paper trail.

    Bletchley Park, where up to 10,000 people worked at one time, maintained about 99% of its secrecy into the early 1970s.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Re Bletchley Park, Robert Harris's novel "Enigma" is a nice choice for people who are cooped up and looking for something too read.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    In a lot of complex projects no one person has any clue how their little piece fits into the whole. They are on a team designing one cog in a mystery machine. Years later they learn it was the atom bomb, or whatever.
  143. @Anonymous
    Bernie has just endorsed Senilo G. Oliver.

    Wonder what he was offered.

    Wonder what he was offered.

    The word for what Bernie was offered is “graft.” The specifics of it, while interesting, don’t really matter.

  144. @anonymous jew
    This conversation reminds me of something someone said to the effect of "anyone who has worked in a large organization knows that large-scale conspiracies are not possible". (Having driven a cubicle for two Fortune 500 companies - including sitting in on board meetings - I can confirm this is the case). Of course, it all depends on the number of people involved. Conspiracies involving 2 people are much safer than 20, which in turn are safer than those involving 200 and so on. Sometimes I wonder if the really crazy conspiracy theorists are on the spectrum, as it shows a certain amount of mind blindness.

    One of my favorite conspiracies was the Lance Armstrong-US Postal Team doping scandal. Interestingly, if you followed the sport closely via the European media it was obvious that Lance was doping several years before it was revealed publicly through the investigation. Too many people were involved: the team (20 or so), the coaches, wives, handlers and dealers. Things were leaked - particularly emails - and rumors swirled.

    Probably the most successful well known conspiracy was Jimmy Hoffa. And probably for the simple reason that few people were involved. Maybe the don, the consigliere, the hit man and few, if any, other people.

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what's the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We're social animals. This is how human societies work. But we're really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip. Yes, yes, certain elites want to bring down Historic America by various means including demographic replacement, but that's no secret to anybody. They've left us a pretty long paper trail.

    This conversation reminds me of something someone said to the effect of “anyone who has worked in a large organization knows that large-scale conspiracies are not possible”.

    Doesn’t matter. What matters is control of the Narrative and the Megaphone. A TON of people have evidence of 9/11 being an inside job — to name just one example — but as long as the Narrative and Megaphone scream “these people are nut jobs!” keeping the “secret” doesn’t matter at all.

    A conspiracy is safe as long as the gatekeepers don’t acknowledge it.

  145. @Rosie

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     
    I don't think this follows at all. Elites can't and don't need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events, and continue to push incrementally for trends they desire, sometimes by simply obstructing efforts to change or reverse them.

    “and continue to push incrementally for trends they desire”

    Yes, the Guardian has been saying that because of coronavirus we should let all the prisoners out and let all the illegal immigrants in, i.e. business as usual for them.

  146. https://www.ccn.com/ceos-quitting-in-record-numbers-could-signal-total-stock-market-collapse/
    “Chief executives of top companies in the U.S. are leaving their posts at a pace not seen in nearly two decades. Challenger, Gray, and Christmas reported that 1,480 CEOs departed in 2019. This caught the attention of some analysts as C-level executives don’t often step aside while both the economy and the stock market are booming.”

    “The trend continued in January 2020 with 219 chief executives calling it quits. The number represents the highest CEO departures on a monthly basis since 2008. Are they getting out while the getting is good?”

  147. Conspiracies for money don’t seem to work. Whether its corporate or criminal (or both), thieves tend to out themselves and point fingers. If your goal is getting X amount of money nefariously, usually the conspiracy gets exposed.

    But non-monetary conspiracies– for power, winning wars, and sex—seem to work quite well. Sex being the most interesting. Organized orgies are regular occurrences in among most of the wealthy and powerful, and yet most of us normies never hear about them, unless through rumor years later. Remember how Jeri Ryan and her Illinois politico husband outed the sex rings they ran in?

    Stanley Kubrick’s Eyes Wide Shut was about a massively well-organized ongoing orgies amongst models and megapowerful New Yorkers. And Kubrick was a stickler for his research.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  148. @Bitfu
    If there was an 'Inner Party'--what end result is it trying to accomplish by inflicting this debacle onto the world?

    If there is no Inner Party, and this debacle is borne out of incompetence and greed---again-- what can we expect from that end result?

    Finally, if there is no Inner Party, and this debacle is a necessary consequence of rational fear and flattening the curve, what is that end result?

    It turns out they all converge on the same outcome: A 'Fourth Worlding'. This is where the 3rd world invades advanced economies (kinda like the virus). The connected, good thinkers, tech wizards and government employees/pensioners continue to enjoy First World living, while Deplorables, small business owners, middle-class gets relegated to the ghetto living and a 3rd world lifestyle.

    'Intent's got nothin to do with it'.

    “while Deplorables, small business owners, middle-class gets relegated to the ghetto living and a 3rd world lifestyle.”

    I didn’t realize making 100K to 400K per year, living in a nice home with sportsball on three 4K tv’s, with two cars and a boat in the driveway, along with modest savings constitutes “ghetto living”.

    The more you know…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    You have claimed you are for a reduction of immigration. Yet here you attack someone who is on your side on this issue. Why? We’re you lying when you said you want immigration reduced or have you changed your mind?
  149. @Corvinus
    "I’ve never crossed paths with any such person."

    You most assuredly have on this fine blog. Whiskey, anyone?

    I don’t hold with conspiracy theory. No need to. Our elites can’t shut up.

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "I don’t hold with conspiracy theory."

    Of course you do. Either you don't want to acknowledge it, or you are simply that detached from reality that you've created one for yourself. It could be possible that you are here just to troll us.
  150. @Testing12
    I'd focus less on the actions of Bob Iger (not exactly a nexus of conspiracy-theorizing) to prove/disprove conspiracy theories and more on the actions of someone like Bill Gates.

    Then again, if you still naively believe after all this time that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, there is probably no point in debate.

    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation was Bill Gates entrance ticked to the Inner Party. With launching it in 2000 all problems Microsoft faced with anti-trust actions disappeared.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    These days, charities are huge money-laundering and graft-payment operations, amongst other nefarious things (human trafficking, etc.).
  151. OT an hour ago a half dozen Northeastern state governors announced a formation of a task force to begin meeting to begin thinking about the process of restarting the economy.

    This is very thin gruel, but if the economy is going to restart at all it would have to start with something like this.

    • Replies: @ATate
    And not be outdone...

    “West Coast states agree region will move toward reopening based on health outcomes

    SACRAMENTO-Today, California Governor Gavin Newsom, Oregon Governor Kate Brown and Washington Governor Jay Inslee announced an agreement on a shared vision for reopening their economies and controlling COVID-19 into the future”

    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/13/california-oregon-washington-announce-western-states-pact/

    , @J.Ross
    I work[ed] at a place where gloved (and easily masked) people are normally six to a hundred feet apart, and I buy groceries at a place where people bump into each other because there is no room. Guess which of those Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer kept open. The only way a meeting of governors can help the economy is if the place they are meeting at has caught fire and is toppling off a collapsing cliff.
    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    No, they are going to coordinate their foot dragging; they are out to destroy the economies of their states as the best way to have another go at getting Trump impeached again, or at minimum, to have him assigned the blame for the economic devastation they are themselves inflicting (I live in NJ, and thus am subject to the diktats of the retarded leprechaun, Gov. Murphy).

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/13/it-begins-east-and-west-coast-blue-states-team-up-to-begin-economic-civil-war/#more-189067

    Since when have leftists ever given a flying fuck about grinding people under the wheel when they are in the midst of enforcing their ideologies good and hard? What would be different now, particularly when they are throwing a Hail Mary to try and do what all of their other plots failed to accomplish?
  152. @Travis
    depends on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine / Quinine / quercetin and zinc

    Maybe Disney could sell reduced cost green tea or Tonic water infused with zinc to all customers to prevent CV infections while banning obese and elderly patrons due to their increase risk of COVID-19

    I was thinking more of the economic fallout on families and their ability/desire to take very expensive vacations than the safety factor. If you are willing to go, you have to consider the risk of contracting Covid-19 to be minimal. I would expect to see at least the rest of this year and next that a lot families will take less expensive vacations just based on ongoing economic anxiety. Disney makes their biggest money at the theme parks on the people who make that their whole vacation.

  153. @Polynikes
    "Marrying for beauty is not a good recipe for long term happiness because beauty is transient ( Trump is on wife #3). "

    Are you telling us you have objective information that Trump is less happy than some random tech CEO?

    Really I have no idea but I don’t get the feeling that Melania is really having the time of her life.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Really I have no idea but I don’t get the feeling that Melania is really having the time of her life.
     
    Maybe. But at least she has the good sense not to start some wacky First Lady crusade like reforming school lunches.
  154. @epebble
    A thought experiment: How many of those who are opposed to lockdown are in favor of (right to) assisted suicide? abortions? There is an analog here from the politics of Capital punishment: People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).

    Left & right people are divided over four types of killing:

    1. abortion
    2. capital punishment
    3. suicide
    4. euthanasia

    Left is, usually, for 1 & 4 and against 2, while right is, mostly, for 2 & against 1 and 4. With regard to 3, there is no consensus, though left is more tolerant.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    I’m OK, at least under certain circumstances, with all 4 types of killing. I’m also strongly against the lockdown on several grounds, primarily individual freedom and the effectiveness of the lockdown.

    From what I’ve read (Haidt et al) I’m clearly wired like a libertarian. I’m a low empathizer/high systematizer. However, I’m not actually a Libertarian and I believe this is because it often conflicts with HBD, which for me comes first.

    I’ve found sharp political divides re the lockdown. The most obvious being that people on the right focus on the costs and question the benefits to some degree while those on the far left (I live in Seattle) preach “crush the curve” with religious fervor. (I believe humans are wired for religion and those on the far left tend to be inherently very religious and transpose that mindset onto politics. See virtue signaling, cancel culture, denial of HBD, chanting in circles etc)
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Left & right people are divided over four types of killing:

    1. abortion
    2. capital punishment
    3. suicide
    4. euthanasia
     

    5. The left is against justifiable homicide by means of firearm. Probably by any means.
    , @Hibernian
    You left out War. The Left in the US at some point abandoned any but the thinnest pretense of being antiwar. Not easy to fine anyone really antiwar on the Right either, but there are a few.
  155. @Reg Cæsar

    If there’s no Inner Party, why is one of Iger’s sons named Robert Maxwell Iger?
     
    Ronald Prescott Reagan raised my eyebrows.

    Is Ronald Reagan jr. R.P.R? Dad was Ronald Wilson Reagan.

    • Replies: @anon
    I wonder about that.Wilson was a nobody when Reagan was born [Feb. 1911] so was he named after another Wilson or was the name added in later?
  156. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.
    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge."

    There are a very few times in human history when extremely exceptional individuals had enough power and influence to affect all the human race on a global scale. Examples would be Genghis Khan conquering Eurasia, or Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years(Roman Emperors were not called Caesar for no reason). But you need to have very extreme levels of intelligence, ability, energy, talent and personality to do that. Extreme outliers who are at or above six standard-deviations above ordinary humans are not exactly easy to come by. These are one-in-a-billion to one-in-ten-billion individuals.

    For the most part, you are right: the World is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for elite individuals and groups to effectively control it. The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them. And even then, it is extremely difficult because there is a lot of competition with other elite individuals and groups that have diametrically opposite interests.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand. The reason why things happen the way they do is do to extremely complicated interactions of apparently unrelated facts that number in the trillions. Even extremely intelligent people get confused trying to get a "big picture" of everything, and they usually are only able to have certain theories on why some aspects of the totalityof the World behave the way they do. Nobelists and intellectuals can do no better than propose suppositions about why things are the way they are, and then support their suppositions with evidence and propose experiments and comparisons to asses whether their suppositions are true. If the very smart struggle, what hope is there for average people?

    But a conspiracy theory is something that everyone can understand. Humans are social primates that play games of interpersonal trickery on each other to achieve dominance(resources, attractive mates, etc). It goes back to high school, and bitchy girls gossiping to each other.

    It's much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven't risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down. Listening to an explanation that involves concepts like comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, etc, is just frustrating not only because it is inscrutable, but because there is no one specific to place the blame. Humans like to anthropomorphize the sources of their pain and suffering, and impersonal and complex culprits are just not attractive.

    It’s much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job

    This is a poor example as many firings are the result of office conspiracies by rival co-workers.

  157. @1035-960 Para e
    In which Sailer falls into the government-issue indoctrination pitalls of 1035-960, positing 'conspiracy theorists' as a type. He adds a fallacy of composition that pushes a private-sector assemblage into the breach to make a point about the thoughtcrime of generic conspiracy theorists who also point out state-level criminality.

    Instances of ineptitude are often invoked as a general counterargument to generic strawman conspiracies. This ignores the importance of impunity. When you have impunity, ineptitude is not a problem. If you fail to blow up the WTC in 93, you just try again in 2001. If you fail to kill JFK in Chicago, you lock Abraham Bolden in the psycho ward at Saint Elizabeth's and take another crack at JFK in Dallas. If you fail to wipe out your enemies with H1N1, you try again with COVID-19. When you're chartered with impunity, no one's going to stop you.

    Russ Baker highlights what he calls ruthless ineptitude. Impunity breeds ruthlessness. It also breeds ineptitude. Deniability requires delegation even as repeated delegation impairs control. They called Ed Wilson's cell in Tripoli the gang that couldn't shoot straight. It did not ultimately matter for anyone but the arms and legs like Ed.

    Instances of ineptitude are often invoked as a general counterargument to generic strawman conspiracies. This ignores the importance of impunity. When you have impunity, ineptitude is not a problem.

    And there’s more to it than that. Even in the absence of impunity, the incompetence of some conspirators would imply nothing about the competence of others.

    Russ Baker highlights what he calls ruthless ineptitude. Impunity breeds ruthlessness. It also breeds ineptitude.

    Indeed.

  158. @Bardon Kaldian
    Conspiracy theories arise from natural human inclination to give meaning to chaos. To rationalize, to find cause-effect relations....this is all too human. The source of psychological need to find a discernible pattern in a chaotic & confusing world is not unlike our ancestors' explanation of plagues, storms, earthquakes, crop failure, .... by actions of a deity, irritated because they or their parents had somehow incurred wrath of this or that deity (just read Homer or OT).

    Of course, some historical, social, economic..events are, to some degree, actually caused or at least provoked by different groups' scheming to achieve ...whatever they may aspire to.

    But most real changes just happen due to confluence of elements.

    Nobody "conspired" to cause the Renaissance, Reformation, Industrial Revolution, mass production, air travel, high obesity levels etc.

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable "immigrants", low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, ... are not planned anywhere. They are just signs of times, whether in the growth or in the decline phase.

    And we cannot extrapolate, that's for sure. As Robert Service has concluded in his biography of Lenin (a man who really conspired):

    He led the October Revolution, founded the USSR and laid out the rudiments of Marxism–Leninism. He helped to turn a world upside down. Perhaps a few years hence he will be seen to have thrust his country and, under Stalin’s leadership, a third of the world down a cul de-sac. The future does not lie with Leninist communism . But, if the future lies elsewhere, we do not know where exactly . Lenin was unexpected. At the very least, his extraordinary life and career prove the need for everyone to be vigilant. Not many historical personages have achieved this effect. Let thanks be given.

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @dfordoom


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere
     
    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     
    So explain to us how the loss of religiosity (which has been happening gradually for a couple of centuries) is the result of conscious planning.

    And explain to us how the decline in birth rates among the educated (which has been happening gradually for a century or so) is the result of conscious planning.

    Feminism also has its roots in the late 18th century. The loony American variety began in the 19th century as an offshoot of Puritanism. Feminism always attracted women who were not exactly sane or normal. As feminism took off in a big way it attracted more and more mentally unstable women. I can't see any evidence of conscious planning.

    The whole Gay Liberation thing which started the cult of sexual perversion also seemed to be simply a product of the zeitgeist, along with the Sexual Revolution.

    Most of the destructive changes since 1945 appear to have been the completely unplanned consequence of complex economic, political, technological, social and cultural changes. Not conscious planning.
    , @Bardon Kaldian


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people's opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to "make America non-white through immigration". It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60's, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable "others" to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, .... to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon "ideology" of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy...
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    .....

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60's. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, "planned"; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, ...).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

  159. @Art Deco
    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.

    I've never crossed paths with any such person. I have crossed paths with vain fools who fancy they're in the know and you aren't.

    You never crossed paths? Really? I mean, you are right. That is probably why there are millions of internet pages and dozens of Youtube channels dedicated to conspiracy theories. Idiot!! I guess you are one of those, and don’t want to admit publicly.

  160. @Sean

    or instance in the media business consistently 60 to 80% of the top executives are Jewish
     
    It can seem that way. Jews tend to excel at what their host society values most. You could argue that Jews excel by taking things too far, as with the way they have altered French philosophy, or Anglo Saxon business corporations.

    Jews are good salesmen, a skill which readily translates to showmanship. They have always been prominent in the theatrical arts. This was already true long before TV and movies existed.

  161. @eD
    OT an hour ago a half dozen Northeastern state governors announced a formation of a task force to begin meeting to begin thinking about the process of restarting the economy.

    This is very thin gruel, but if the economy is going to restart at all it would have to start with something like this.

    And not be outdone…

    “West Coast states agree region will move toward reopening based on health outcomes

    SACRAMENTO-Today, California Governor Gavin Newsom, Oregon Governor Kate Brown and Washington Governor Jay Inslee announced an agreement on a shared vision for reopening their economies and controlling COVID-19 into the future”

    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/13/california-oregon-washington-announce-western-states-pact/

  162. @anonymous jew
    This conversation reminds me of something someone said to the effect of "anyone who has worked in a large organization knows that large-scale conspiracies are not possible". (Having driven a cubicle for two Fortune 500 companies - including sitting in on board meetings - I can confirm this is the case). Of course, it all depends on the number of people involved. Conspiracies involving 2 people are much safer than 20, which in turn are safer than those involving 200 and so on. Sometimes I wonder if the really crazy conspiracy theorists are on the spectrum, as it shows a certain amount of mind blindness.

    One of my favorite conspiracies was the Lance Armstrong-US Postal Team doping scandal. Interestingly, if you followed the sport closely via the European media it was obvious that Lance was doping several years before it was revealed publicly through the investigation. Too many people were involved: the team (20 or so), the coaches, wives, handlers and dealers. Things were leaked - particularly emails - and rumors swirled.

    Probably the most successful well known conspiracy was Jimmy Hoffa. And probably for the simple reason that few people were involved. Maybe the don, the consigliere, the hit man and few, if any, other people.

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what's the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We're social animals. This is how human societies work. But we're really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip. Yes, yes, certain elites want to bring down Historic America by various means including demographic replacement, but that's no secret to anybody. They've left us a pretty long paper trail.

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what’s the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We’re social animals. This is how human societies work. But we’re really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip.

    The problem with your hypothesis is that you offer no basis for your conclusion that being bad at keeping secrets matters. That conclusion is wrong.

    It doesn’t matter if someone talks if no one can hear him or if he is contradicted (and perhaps smeared for good measure) by the unanimous voice of the propaganda of public opinion formation.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @anon
    It doesn’t matter if someone talks if no one can hear him

    True. Let's assemble a little jury consisting of Don Henry, Kevin Ives, Barry Seal, Vince Foster, J. Christopher Stevens and Seth Rich. Let them discuss this among themselves and see if they come to a consensus.
  163. @ben tillman

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what’s the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We’re social animals. This is how human societies work. But we’re really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip.
     
    The problem with your hypothesis is that you offer no basis for your conclusion that being bad at keeping secrets matters. That conclusion is wrong.

    It doesn't matter if someone talks if no one can hear him or if he is contradicted (and perhaps smeared for good measure) by the unanimous voice of the propaganda of public opinion formation.

    It doesn’t matter if someone talks if no one can hear him

    True. Let’s assemble a little jury consisting of Don Henry, Kevin Ives, Barry Seal, Vince Foster, J. Christopher Stevens and Seth Rich. Let them discuss this among themselves and see if they come to a consensus.

  164. @Bardon Kaldian
    Left & right people are divided over four types of killing:

    1. abortion
    2. capital punishment
    3. suicide
    4. euthanasia

    Left is, usually, for 1 & 4 and against 2, while right is, mostly, for 2 & against 1 and 4. With regard to 3, there is no consensus, though left is more tolerant.

    I’m OK, at least under certain circumstances, with all 4 types of killing. I’m also strongly against the lockdown on several grounds, primarily individual freedom and the effectiveness of the lockdown.

    From what I’ve read (Haidt et al) I’m clearly wired like a libertarian. I’m a low empathizer/high systematizer. However, I’m not actually a Libertarian and I believe this is because it often conflicts with HBD, which for me comes first.

    I’ve found sharp political divides re the lockdown. The most obvious being that people on the right focus on the costs and question the benefits to some degree while those on the far left (I live in Seattle) preach “crush the curve” with religious fervor. (I believe humans are wired for religion and those on the far left tend to be inherently very religious and transpose that mindset onto politics. See virtue signaling, cancel culture, denial of HBD, chanting in circles etc)

  165. @Bardon Kaldian
    Left & right people are divided over four types of killing:

    1. abortion
    2. capital punishment
    3. suicide
    4. euthanasia

    Left is, usually, for 1 & 4 and against 2, while right is, mostly, for 2 & against 1 and 4. With regard to 3, there is no consensus, though left is more tolerant.

    Left & right people are divided over four types of killing:

    1. abortion
    2. capital punishment
    3. suicide
    4. euthanasia

    5. The left is against justifiable homicide by means of firearm. Probably by any means.

  166. @epebble
    A thought experiment: How many of those who are opposed to lockdown are in favor of (right to) assisted suicide? abortions? There is an analog here from the politics of Capital punishment: People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).

    I think the classic trolley dilemma (flip a train switch to kill one instead of 5) provides more insight into how the left and right view the lockdown. When faced with the trolley dilemma:
    1) liberal/progressives have a tendency to fight the hypothetical and won’t accept the outcome.
    2) conservatives deliberate before reluctantly pulling the switch to kill less people.
    3) libertarians don’t hesitate, don’t think, don’t blink. 1 is less than 5. Bam.

    (I’m in the libertarian camp on the trolley dilemma. Zero hesitation)

    Our policies for addressing Coronavirus are essentially one giant and complex trolley dilemma. That’s why liberals have such a difficult time discussing it rationally.

    Probably because I’m libertarian minded/inclined – though I reject libertarianism as a guiding philosophy – I’m against the lockdown. Much of this has to do with the high value I place on individual freedom. (High but not absolute).

    • Agree: Hibernian
  167. @epebble
    A thought experiment: How many of those who are opposed to lockdown are in favor of (right to) assisted suicide? abortions? There is an analog here from the politics of Capital punishment: People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).

    People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).

    In other words, it’s wrong to execute a 17-year-old for aggravated premeditated homicide, but it’s okay to execute a 17-week-old (from conception) for criminal trespass. (Or is it rape, in view of the crime scene?) The fetus is a non-person with agency, while the woman is a person without.

    Healthy societies, natalist societies, naturally view the extermination-for-convenience of the next generation with horror. Not as a “right”.

    That the word natalist is underlined in red on my device shows what kind of society we are.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "view the extermination-for-convenience of the next generation with horror"

    That's one way to look at it. But have you considered that those being aborted are not a random sample of the next generation?
    , @RadicalCenter
    As someone who until recently considered himself, and was considered, to be on the Right: abortion is murder.

    But I can’t sensibly try to stop people from murdering their offspring ... if those offspring are disproportionately likely to make my life or my children’s lives a living Hell.

    Like the person who raped my acquaintance in Trenton, New Jersey, while we were in high school. Like the person, of the same demographic, who tried to break into my apartment in philly 20-odd years ago. Like the person, of the same demographic, who assaulted and permanently injured me last year. Like this scumbag:

    https://thedailycoin.org/2020/04/12/her-name-is-joyce-whaley-patricia-denise-nibbe-and-nettie-r-spencer-black-muslim-stabs-3-white-women-to-death-at-pilot-travel-center-in-knoxville/

    We’re in a racial war. We’re the targets every day, yet most whites (and Asians) are too brainwashed or too afraid to acknowledge it, let alone band together to fight back.

    When your declared and proven enemy wishes to kill some of his next generation of killers, you let him. Better their children than ours, and too many of our “brothers” have made it clear that’s the choice.

  168. @Peter Akuleyev
    Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years

    You are confusing Julius with Octavian/Augustus. Julius is probably one of the most overrated renowned historic figures in terms of long term influence, other than the fact that he paved the way for Augustus.

    Of course, even at the time the Romans had very little direct influence over Persia, India and Central Asia - regions of which they were certainly aware.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.

    Yes, of course Peter.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.

    Right! Because the heirs of Ghenghis Khan, and his brother Don, have dominated human history and produced all the advances we have seen from about 1400 AD right up until now.

    Let us recount some advances: crop rotation, printing press, scientific method, individual rights, division of labor, representative democracy, steam engine, sanitary waste control, telegraphy, telephony, antibiotics, computing, nuclear technology, space travel and human rights. No wet markets. In medicine, physics, chemistry, product development, and especially in the realm of human flourishing it is always one of the 2 Billion descendants of that ultimate horn-dog Genghis leading the way. It is why no one wants to immigrate to America and everyone looks to get in under the penumbra of G. Khan.

    Alexander was a patriarch in our tradition. What is your tradition?

    • Agree: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Polynikes
    Ghengis is an odd choice for whatever their criteria was. Ghengis was mostly a destroyer. He set multiple civilizations back quite a bit and didn't do much to advance his own beyond his generation (maybe two).

    As others have pointed out, many other greats have had much longer and lasting impacts that are felt today. If you are in Asia proper, maybe the affection for Ghengis is genetic on account of his DNA prevalence. I don't know. Ceaser, Alexander, Aristotle and others left meaningful contributes that last in the Western world to this day.
  169. I’m really not getting this argument that subsequent circumstances went back in time and undid preparations undertaken in an attempt to deal with those circumstances. There’s nothing coincidental about every top CEO leaving at the same time, there’s no user guide to Xi Jinping Cough, there’s a ton of bad fake successes which were just waiting for a good time to drop the act (see panic in a few places today about the housing market), the phenonenon of golden parachutes from dumpster fires is not new, and entertainment deserves to suffer as a direct result of people like Iger.
    ————
    CORONA-CHAN, YOU MISSED A COUPLE OF SPOTS

    Two men have been arrested and charged with the murder of a teenage girl from South Florida who was fatally shot while selling designer sneakers with her online entrepreneur boyfriend.
    Miami-Dade police on Sunday apprehended Adrian Cosby and George Walton, both 19, in connection to Tuesday’s slaying of Andrea Camps Lacayo, 18, and the wounding of her boyfriend, Sergio Berben.
    The deal was set for outside an abandoned house in the 12000 block of Southwest 271 stStreet. They were to sell three pairs of sneakers to 19-year-old George Walton for $935.
    Police say as the couple sat in their car, Walton approached alone and asked to try on the shoes, but Berben demanded payment.
    According to detectives, at that moment Cosby sneaked up on the couple sitting in Berben’s car and opened fire, striking Camps in the torso and grazing Berben.
    The pair were rushed to Jackson South Medical Center, where Camps died in surgery, reported NBC Miami.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/two-men-are-arrested-for-the-murder-of-a-high-school-girl-18-after-robbing-her-of-dollar935-adidas-yeezy-sneakers/ar-BB12zgBW
    http://archive.is/p5pxM

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The worship of the almighty shoe, the closest thing to a holy relic in a culture where sports is the new religion dominated by black demigods. What irony. Girl who worships the black shoe gets killed by black thuggery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9mfZbTFbk
  170. @Whiskey
    I don't hold with conspiracy theory. No need to. Our elites can't shut up.

    “I don’t hold with conspiracy theory.”

    Of course you do. Either you don’t want to acknowledge it, or you are simply that detached from reality that you’ve created one for yourself. It could be possible that you are here just to troll us.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Nope, I'm evil Jooooo #1 for not believing in the Joooooooos! what was the question Muslims/Adolf lovers. I'm also evil for not buying a secret Bill Gates Bilderberger / Fan Brown conspiracy. When Davos men and Xirs shout their hate hate hate from the rooftops. It's not a conspiracy when Obama openly tried to remove Trump with the Cia and FBI.

    Apparently I'm Jewish despite being Catholic. More Catholic than the Pope though that's a low bar.

    I will say Epstein did not kill himself.
  171. Best tweet about the restrictions being pushed by Michigan’s lunatic governor:

    “You can smoke grass, just don’t mow it.”

    https://twitter.com/MichForTrump/status/1249132170721087490/photo/1

  172. @eD
    OT an hour ago a half dozen Northeastern state governors announced a formation of a task force to begin meeting to begin thinking about the process of restarting the economy.

    This is very thin gruel, but if the economy is going to restart at all it would have to start with something like this.

    I work[ed] at a place where gloved (and easily masked) people are normally six to a hundred feet apart, and I buy groceries at a place where people bump into each other because there is no room. Guess which of those Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer kept open. The only way a meeting of governors can help the economy is if the place they are meeting at has caught fire and is toppling off a collapsing cliff.

  173. @eD
    OT an hour ago a half dozen Northeastern state governors announced a formation of a task force to begin meeting to begin thinking about the process of restarting the economy.

    This is very thin gruel, but if the economy is going to restart at all it would have to start with something like this.

    No, they are going to coordinate their foot dragging; they are out to destroy the economies of their states as the best way to have another go at getting Trump impeached again, or at minimum, to have him assigned the blame for the economic devastation they are themselves inflicting (I live in NJ, and thus am subject to the diktats of the retarded leprechaun, Gov. Murphy).

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/13/it-begins-east-and-west-coast-blue-states-team-up-to-begin-economic-civil-war/#more-189067

    Since when have leftists ever given a flying fuck about grinding people under the wheel when they are in the midst of enforcing their ideologies good and hard? What would be different now, particularly when they are throwing a Hail Mary to try and do what all of their other plots failed to accomplish?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    "when they are in the midst of enforcing their ideologies good and hard?"

    I never though preventing infectious disease was "Leftist ideology." But I guess that makes me a Leftist since I'm not willing to go along with the latest TrumpCult dogma.

    "What would be different now, particularly when they are throwing a Hail Mary to try and do what all of their other plots failed to accomplish?"

    I'm pretty sure the Leftist leadership, as distinguished from the unintelligent blue-hairs on Twitter, are just laughing at Trump. They know he isn't accomplishing anything. Needless to say, they're also laughing at people like you who think he is.
  174. @Steve Sailer
    Bletchley Park, where up to 10,000 people worked at one time, maintained about 99% of its secrecy into the early 1970s.

    Re Bletchley Park, Robert Harris’s novel “Enigma” is a nice choice for people who are cooped up and looking for something too read.

  175. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    No, I am not confusing at all. Juluis Caesar was 1,000,000 X greater than his grand-nephew; in fact, Octavian himself would not consider himself as great as Caesar. Roman Emperors are called "Caesar" and not "Octavian" for a reason.

    Caesar was a much greater general than Octavian ever could be. The biggest military defeat in Roman history, the disaster of Teutoborg Wald, happened during Augustus' reign. Caesar conquered Gaul, Helvetia, western Hispania and northwestern Africa. He landed in Britain and pacified the natives. He defeated the Visigoths and then build fortifications along the Rhine to stop them from invading the empire. Those frontiers would remain stable for 400 years.

    Caesar is also one of the greatest Latin prose stylists of all times. His Commentaries on the Gallic and Civil wars are classics of World literature, and studied to this day as models of concision and precision in the use of language. As a jurist, Caesar was rivaling Hortensius, who was one of the Rome's greatest lawyers, when he was only 12 years old. As an orator, he was a match for Cicero, who is considered the greater orator in history.

    He was also a polymath and a man of vision. Highly intelligent and curious, he studied astronomy and reformed the Calendar. The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.

    As a political puppeteer and maipulator, he remains unmatched to this day. He started out as an impoverished politician from a minor Patrician family and ended up outwitting everyone and a de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.

    As a general, he surpassed both Cornelius Scipio and Pompey. As a writer, he is compared to Virgil and Ovid. As a jurist and orator, he matched Cicero. As a stateman, he is so supreme that his name became a synonym for supreme ruler. The words "Kaiser" in German and "Tsar" in Russian come from Caesar.

    And Octavian wouldn't have accomplished anything if Caesar didn't name him his heir. Octavian was a brilliant politician, but his grand-uncle was even greater at that, and Octavian did not have the multi-talents of his grand-uncle.

    Well, Octavian learned one great lesson from the life of Caesar, which was to never forgive your opponents, but to destroy them without mercy. He even had Cleopatra’s children killed because they might have opposed him in future. This policy clearly served him well as he died in his bed, unlike his uncle.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    He only killed the oldest boy: he would have been stupid not to, of course. The others were put into the care of his sister, Octavia.

    >This policy clearly served him well as he died in his bed, unlike his uncle.

    Also, don't make yourself out to be anything approximating a monarch. Augustus jumped through an insane number of hoops to try and underline the continuity with the long de-facto defunct Republic. This wasn't necessarily just a cynical charade, given his own ideological beliefs.

    Sulla knew that, too. Caesar always mocked Sulla as a political amateur for resigning, but Sulla was the one who died in bed.

    , @Ed
    Cleopatra’s children weren’t killed just the one by Caesar. The ones by Antony were taken to Rome to be raised by his Augustus’s sister, who was also Antony’s wife. I believe these children all grew into adulthood with one or two being married into Mediterranean/African royalty.

    He died in his bed for sure whether his demise was hastened by his wife, ancient Roman historians wrote of rumors accusing her of poisoning him, we’ll never know.
  176. @utu
    Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation was Bill Gates entrance ticked to the Inner Party. With launching it in 2000 all problems Microsoft faced with anti-trust actions disappeared.

    These days, charities are huge money-laundering and graft-payment operations, amongst other nefarious things (human trafficking, etc.).

  177. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @CJ
    One might also mention Disney’s dependence on the Chinese market, especially for its most crapola comic book hero movies. Which aren’t even being made right now, as your post notes.

    When are people going to notice that pretty much all of the legacy television networks are owned by giant entertainment conglomerates that have vital business interests in China? Disney owns ABC, Comcast (currently building a giant theme park in Beijing) owns NBC and its mutant spawn CNBC and MSNBC, Viacom owns CBS-Nickelodeon-Paramount-MTV, Warner owns CNN. They’re all compromised by financial interests in China.

    This subject needs more attention.

    Token Chinese characters are appearing with ever greater frequency in big budget Hollywood pictures. I don’t know why this is being done. Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America. If they want to see a bunch of Chinese people they’ll just watch their own national movies.

    Or is there some quota system in place requiring a film to have a certain % of Chinese principal characters to get shown in China?

    • Replies: @Kim

    Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America.
     
    American movies get blacker and browner by the day, in particular when it comes to American males. And similar for Britain. Not too long ago, I saw a BBC history show where some British monarch was played by a Paki.

    Again, I know we are told there is no Inner Party, but all of these disparate elements, mass invasive immigration, lockstep mass media presentation of the issues, mass international (apparently) coordinated legislation and political posturing....

    So there certainly appears to be an Inner Party, but we are told that it would still be wrong to infer the existence of an Inner Party?

    So who am I going to believe, someone out there on the internet, or my lying eyes?

    And I still haven't even touched on the international reaction to the 9-11 narrative, which is obviously bullshit but which neither the interational MSM nor even supposedly hostile foreign governments has ever called out for the obvious bullshit that it is. Why have the supposedly hostile governments chosen to play along with that narrative?

    But...(Jedi mind control)...there is no Inner Party.

    , @LondonBob
    Eat it up. British films like 'Bridge over the River Kwai' and 'The Great Escape' had American characters inserted in them, now your new Chinese masters do the same to you.
    , @Jim Don Bob

    Token Chinese characters are appearing with ever greater frequency in big budget Hollywood pictures.
     
    More than token. The latest Midway film had a lot of Chinese financing and included an extended scene where the Chinese villagers who helped some of Doolittle's raiders were massacred by the Japanese.
  178. @Reg Cæsar

    People who are in favor of Capital punishment are usually against abortion rights (to other women).
     
    In other words, it's wrong to execute a 17-year-old for aggravated premeditated homicide, but it's okay to execute a 17-week-old (from conception) for criminal trespass. (Or is it rape, in view of the crime scene?) The fetus is a non-person with agency, while the woman is a person without.

    Healthy societies, natalist societies, naturally view the extermination-for-convenience of the next generation with horror. Not as a "right".

    That the word natalist is underlined in red on my device shows what kind of society we are.

    “view the extermination-for-convenience of the next generation with horror”

    That’s one way to look at it. But have you considered that those being aborted are not a random sample of the next generation?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That’s one way to look at it. But have you considered that those being aborted are not a random sample of the next generation?
     
    You ignore the chilling effect. Stupid, irresponsible women are having the abortions. Smart, responsible women are using contraception. Some of the former change their minds before the clinic.

    The "random sample" should be of potential children not being conceived, not existing children not being born.
  179. @anonymous jew
    This conversation reminds me of something someone said to the effect of "anyone who has worked in a large organization knows that large-scale conspiracies are not possible". (Having driven a cubicle for two Fortune 500 companies - including sitting in on board meetings - I can confirm this is the case). Of course, it all depends on the number of people involved. Conspiracies involving 2 people are much safer than 20, which in turn are safer than those involving 200 and so on. Sometimes I wonder if the really crazy conspiracy theorists are on the spectrum, as it shows a certain amount of mind blindness.

    One of my favorite conspiracies was the Lance Armstrong-US Postal Team doping scandal. Interestingly, if you followed the sport closely via the European media it was obvious that Lance was doping several years before it was revealed publicly through the investigation. Too many people were involved: the team (20 or so), the coaches, wives, handlers and dealers. Things were leaked - particularly emails - and rumors swirled.

    Probably the most successful well known conspiracy was Jimmy Hoffa. And probably for the simple reason that few people were involved. Maybe the don, the consigliere, the hit man and few, if any, other people.

    Maybe this is something we could research and quantify: what's the probability of a conspiracy holding together based on the number of people involved?

    Obviously, groups can act together. We're social animals. This is how human societies work. But we're really bad at keeping secrets and we love to gossip. Yes, yes, certain elites want to bring down Historic America by various means including demographic replacement, but that's no secret to anybody. They've left us a pretty long paper trail.

    Depends. Organizations that thrive on secrecy are better at it than those that are public in nature. The CIA actually has a solid track record. MKUltra being a classic example. Fortune 400 companies with at will employees, SEC filings and earnings calls are a little tougher.

  180. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @JerseyJeffersonian
    No, they are going to coordinate their foot dragging; they are out to destroy the economies of their states as the best way to have another go at getting Trump impeached again, or at minimum, to have him assigned the blame for the economic devastation they are themselves inflicting (I live in NJ, and thus am subject to the diktats of the retarded leprechaun, Gov. Murphy).

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/13/it-begins-east-and-west-coast-blue-states-team-up-to-begin-economic-civil-war/#more-189067

    Since when have leftists ever given a flying fuck about grinding people under the wheel when they are in the midst of enforcing their ideologies good and hard? What would be different now, particularly when they are throwing a Hail Mary to try and do what all of their other plots failed to accomplish?

    “when they are in the midst of enforcing their ideologies good and hard?”

    I never though preventing infectious disease was “Leftist ideology.” But I guess that makes me a Leftist since I’m not willing to go along with the latest TrumpCult dogma.

    “What would be different now, particularly when they are throwing a Hail Mary to try and do what all of their other plots failed to accomplish?”

    I’m pretty sure the Leftist leadership, as distinguished from the unintelligent blue-hairs on Twitter, are just laughing at Trump. They know he isn’t accomplishing anything. Needless to say, they’re also laughing at people like you who think he is.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    We'll have to see who looks bad later, now that the authors of the panicked shutdown are back pedaling furiously on their predictions (after making sure that many more deaths are attributed to CoVID-19 by making sure that anybody who dies with it gets added to the total of those who supposedly die of it, no matter how serious the co-morbidities they were afflicted with prior to contracting the virus) in an effort to cover their tracks.

    I say this as somebody who has two risk factors - I am in my late 60s, and I have asthma - but in consequence, I always get the latest flu vaccination, and just this last year got the two-step vaccination against pneumonia, so I am not one blithely indifferent to protective measures.

    That having been said, I remain seriously unimpressed with the handling of this supposedly world-altering outbreak. Why were these luminaries of pandemic control caught so flat-footed by the virus' onset that the idea of gathering relevant information on the demographics of those most affected (especially the risk factors), and timely issuance of statistics expressive of those demographics and risks was not foremost in their minds? Since they weren't doing this, something that would have enabled them to identify the most at-risk groups, and make it possible for those groups to be candidates for special protections, they went for full lockdown as their stratagem, but with no evident thought being given to the society-wide consequences attendant upon the embrace of this radical, panic-inducing policy. And then, they compounded that error by massive deficiencies in testing for those infected, and unhelpfully insisting that those limited number of tests needed to be channelized through the CDC by their diktat, thus further delaying the timely issuance of information crucial to understanding the extent of infected individuals, with the knock on effect that this deficiency crippled both the formulation of a reliable estimate of the ratio of infected to the dead, and the ability to use the identities of known infected individuals to trace their network of contacts following classic epidemiological practice. This also hamstrung the authorities from developing a good understanding of R0, the crucial knowledge about just how infectious the virus truly was, something extremely salient to the decision to embark upon state-wide lockdowns.

    Now, these are the so-called experts, upon whose knowledge and judgment President Trump was supposed to depend. So how did that work out? Not very well, not very well at all, so it would seem. Only as time went by did the idea begin, inchoately at first, to gain traction that these people may not have been appraising the situation well judging by both their methodological errors and their preconceived notions about the nature and behavior of - wait for it - a novel virus, and this growing sense increasingly throw their expertise into question, and then with trust in their expertise eroded, the value to be placed on their assessments and policy recommendations likewise thrown into question.

    So whence comes my statement about leftists enforcing their ideologies good and hard? Just watching all of the Democrat governors falling over themselves to catastrophize the situation in the general absence of good information, for a start. To them, rhe notion that government knows best even when it doesn't have a clue about the crucial elements needed to formulate a prudent and minimally damaging set of policy responses, is a pretty good example of an axiomatic leftist article of faith. And that's how it went. Circumstances and contingent realities, the specifics of any given locale, or community should play a role, but no. As Zman observed on his blog recently, these governors engaged in some sort of bizarre beauty pagent, each trying to demonstrate how much more they cared than the next one, adopting yet more extreme, and as it developed, fairly useless restrictions that initially put the torch to the economies of their own states, but wrought still more damage on the nation as a whole.

    For instance, did you know that approximately 60% of food consumption nowadays is outside of the home context? When you shut down out of home eateries, this throws a MASSIVE dislocation into the supply chain for comestibles. Sundown has been doing a series of posts outlining the developing problems in supply chains over at the Conservative Treehouse blog. The latest entry contained a front line account from a dairy farmer as to how it has come to be that dairies are now dumping milk. Turns out that the packaging of milk for commercial enterprises is different, and more importantly is different due to government regulations being different for commercial and retail distribution. There is not enough capacity, given the severe skew toward at home milk usage patterns, to package enough milk for retail delivery demands.
    Oh, and since the bottling equipment for retail distribution is now sourced from China, there is no way to ramp up production of these machines domestically (sort of like the notorious face mask shortage problem, no?) to alleviate the problem. So down the drain the milk goes, along with the fixed costs in dollars to the farmers who can't flip a switch to take their cows off line; the cows have to eat, and consequently they produce milk that needs an buyer, and with away from home providers of milk, along with other commercial users of dairy products also requiring commercial packaging knocked out of the box to all practical purposes, well, the farmers can't do otherwise. Trump has ordered the Secretary of Agriculture to do what he can for these farmers, given the authorities and resources available to him. See how this works? Virtue signaling pageants aren't always, well, virtuous. Taking all of those restaurants and other commercial users of milk off line has spun up into a genuine mess. Stressed farmers, millions of food service workers, many of whom are not in any kind of position to take such a hit even in tbe best of times, and that is just one sector that is taking a serious beating. And then there is the lost tax revenue not there to maintain essential services, pay debt obligations, sustain pension obligations. Oh, dear, looks like a failure to logically assess connections and consequences.

    And as to the Hail Mary pass to which I referred, given all of the pernicious plots undertaken by the left one after another, after another, ad nauseam, all intended to nullify the ONLY Congressionally-mandated national election, that for the position of Chief Magistrate, the President of the Republic, why would I not think this is an event that these seditionists would try to twist to their advantage? And if they can't work up another impeachment farago, that they will try to tie the can to President Trump's tail?

    Perhaps only now, as the smoke is lifting concerning the true nature of the purported threat to national security posed by the virus, has the gravity of the damage done by the wildly inappropriate, and substantively misdirected policy choices of the experts and the mostly Democrat state and local authorities come to dawn on the ideologically-driven minds of these actors. Maybe they are going to be the ones to whose tails the can is going to be tied. Or maybe even an M-80 or two, which seems only right and proper. And then we'll see who is laughing.

    Pants pissing fear is a bad look, sport. But then, to those trained to always be aware of the nearest "safe space", perhaps it is only to be expected.

  181. @Anonymous
    Bernie has just endorsed Senilo G. Oliver.

    Wonder what he was offered.

    How his devotees can be enthusiastic about Bernie is beyond me. Granted he can rant and rave with the best of them, but basically he’s a wimp who can’t even stand up for himself, much less challenge the existing order.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    How his devotees can be enthusiastic about Bernie is beyond me. Granted he can rant and rave with the best of them, but basically he’s a wimp who can’t even stand up for himself, much less challenge the existing order.
     
    https://live.staticflickr.com/5087/5311374369_58f55ac61c_m.jpg
  182. Anon[149] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if researchers have given any consideration to another potential Covid-19 route for infection, namely, your gums. It’s known that bacteria from gum disease can migrate into your blood stream and have a bad effect on your heart, and it may cause other diseases as well.

    Links:

    https://www.healthline.com/health/gum-disease-and-heart-disease
    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324485

    As you age, you tend to develop chronic infected gums, or periodontal disease. Well, we’ve noticed the odd coincidence that Covid-19 hits older people harder. Bacteria are larger than viruses, so viruses should be able to migrate from infected gums into the bloodstream, too. The mouth does not produce mucous as a protective barrier the way the way lungs do, so it’s a potential route for Covid-19. Saliva is not anti-bacterial or anti-viral the way lung and nose mucous is.

    Diabetes type 2 is a major risk factor for Covid, and people with diabetes tend to eat a lot of sugar. If they have gum disease from all that sugar, this may explain how Covid-19 can spread into their bloodsteam and attack their internal organs. Unfortunately, gum disease is not even a pre-existing medical condition our doctors are savvy enough to ask about. Your dentist has this information, but not your doctor.

    • Replies: @JerseyJeffersonian
    A very good point. Your mouth is, after all the starting point for your alimentary canal, and an orifice through which bacteria and viruses can, and do, enter.

    But the doctors of dentistry are in a different union, I guess. This is rather as if the Carpenters didn't talk to the Electricians. One can envision bad things happening in such a circumstance.
  183. @Reg Cæsar

    So Steve is denying Operation Mockingbird now?
     
    Remember when "Operations" had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    The nadir has to be Operation Uphold Democracy, though the oxymoronic Iraqi Freedom was pretty bad, too. Do vets sit around the VFW reminiscing, "Yeah, I was in Operation Uphold. Those were the days!"

    Remember when “Operations” had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    It’s like when warships had names like “HMS Revenge” and “HMS Resolution,” whereas they now have names like “USS Gabrielle Giffords” and “USS Harvey Milk” (the latter full of seamen, of course).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    “USS Harvey Milk” (the latter full of seamen, of course).
     
    It She's an oiler!

    https://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/2018/06/12/001-poolwatch-splash-reyes-2018.jpg

    , @Kibernetika
    It’s like when warships had names like “HMS Revenge” and “HMS Resolution,” whereas they now have names like “USS Gabrielle Giffords” and “USS Harvey Milk” (the latter full of seamen, of course).

    Don't get me started. Can you imagine being a plank owner of some of these ridiculously named ships, or having to serve on them? Back in the day, if they found out that a sailor was a "friend of Dorothy," a chopper would appear and they'd be gone.

    What's worse is that the Milk is to be a John Lewis-class "oiler." That just ain't right.
  184. @Anonymous
    No, I am not confusing at all. Juluis Caesar was 1,000,000 X greater than his grand-nephew; in fact, Octavian himself would not consider himself as great as Caesar. Roman Emperors are called "Caesar" and not "Octavian" for a reason.

    Caesar was a much greater general than Octavian ever could be. The biggest military defeat in Roman history, the disaster of Teutoborg Wald, happened during Augustus' reign. Caesar conquered Gaul, Helvetia, western Hispania and northwestern Africa. He landed in Britain and pacified the natives. He defeated the Visigoths and then build fortifications along the Rhine to stop them from invading the empire. Those frontiers would remain stable for 400 years.

    Caesar is also one of the greatest Latin prose stylists of all times. His Commentaries on the Gallic and Civil wars are classics of World literature, and studied to this day as models of concision and precision in the use of language. As a jurist, Caesar was rivaling Hortensius, who was one of the Rome's greatest lawyers, when he was only 12 years old. As an orator, he was a match for Cicero, who is considered the greater orator in history.

    He was also a polymath and a man of vision. Highly intelligent and curious, he studied astronomy and reformed the Calendar. The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.

    As a political puppeteer and maipulator, he remains unmatched to this day. He started out as an impoverished politician from a minor Patrician family and ended up outwitting everyone and a de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.

    As a general, he surpassed both Cornelius Scipio and Pompey. As a writer, he is compared to Virgil and Ovid. As a jurist and orator, he matched Cicero. As a stateman, he is so supreme that his name became a synonym for supreme ruler. The words "Kaiser" in German and "Tsar" in Russian come from Caesar.

    And Octavian wouldn't have accomplished anything if Caesar didn't name him his heir. Octavian was a brilliant politician, but his grand-uncle was even greater at that, and Octavian did not have the multi-talents of his grand-uncle.

    The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.

    Where the преисподняя do you live? We use the Gregorian here.

  185. @Harry Baldwin
    Remember when “Operations” had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    It's like when warships had names like "HMS Revenge" and "HMS Resolution," whereas they now have names like "USS Gabrielle Giffords" and "USS Harvey Milk" (the latter full of seamen, of course).

    “USS Harvey Milk” (the latter full of seamen, of course).

    It She’s an oiler!

  186. @1035-960 Para e
    In which Sailer falls into the government-issue indoctrination pitalls of 1035-960, positing 'conspiracy theorists' as a type. He adds a fallacy of composition that pushes a private-sector assemblage into the breach to make a point about the thoughtcrime of generic conspiracy theorists who also point out state-level criminality.

    Instances of ineptitude are often invoked as a general counterargument to generic strawman conspiracies. This ignores the importance of impunity. When you have impunity, ineptitude is not a problem. If you fail to blow up the WTC in 93, you just try again in 2001. If you fail to kill JFK in Chicago, you lock Abraham Bolden in the psycho ward at Saint Elizabeth's and take another crack at JFK in Dallas. If you fail to wipe out your enemies with H1N1, you try again with COVID-19. When you're chartered with impunity, no one's going to stop you.

    Russ Baker highlights what he calls ruthless ineptitude. Impunity breeds ruthlessness. It also breeds ineptitude. Deniability requires delegation even as repeated delegation impairs control. They called Ed Wilson's cell in Tripoli the gang that couldn't shoot straight. It did not ultimately matter for anyone but the arms and legs like Ed.

    This ignores the importance of impunity.

    Yes. The Deep Staters involved in the conspiracy against Trump don’t seem very worried that they’ll end up in jail. McCabe has already gotten a pass and I’m sure Comey expects one too. We’ll see, but I’m not optimistic.

  187. @Anon7
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that we didn't / don't know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

    As a nation, we need to see China's lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there's no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we'd better come up with one.

    May I please renew my suggestion that we cancel China’s Treasury holdings as compensation for their wicked and callously indifferent export of this virus? Their holdings amount to about 2.5 trillion. The harm that the Chinese Communist Party has caused us is more than 5 trillion. They were either grossly reckless or deliberate about their wrongful actions; they need to pay. If they were an American business, they would crippled and bankrupted by lawsuits. Just cancel their bond holdings. This is not a default, it will not be seen as a default, and it will not affect our credit rating.

    • Replies: @HammerJack

    If they were an American business, they would (be) crippled and bankrupted by lawsuits.
     
    They don't even need to be American for that. Just show (or even claim) that they were in some way associated with white nationalist causes; descended from anyone who fought on the wrong side of WW2; or ever provided financial support to the Palestinian people.

    Why now, the lawsuits fairly write themselves.

    , @Anonymous
    Agree the CCP deserves blame. They warned us about it and we waited like a month to do anything. If they had warned us a month earlier, we would have got to it a month earlier!
  188. Anon[149] • Disclaimer says:

    SCOTUS has decided to combine all of the lawsuits against Trump’s finances into one case, and get this: They’re going to livestream the oral arguments for everyone on the planet. For the first time ever, the Supreme Court is allowing this public broadcast of their proceedings.

    There is no way this move is not political and not aimed against Trump. Roberts cannot avoid the appearance of partisanship and gross impropriety in choosing to do this media broadcast in only case in the entire history of the Supreme Court.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/13/wow-supreme-court-will-hold-hearings-via-teleconference-and-broadcast-live-audio-of-consolidated-trump-financial-cases/

  189. @anon
    I wonder how much of Iger's wealth is tied up in stock, like maybe DIS? There is an obvious answer to the question "why".

    A real-deal Inner Party would not be visible in the sense of a Bob Iger or pace' Twinkie executives on hospital boards. An Inner Party would be people who are never in the spotlight, who influence the Bob Igers with a quiet word via a mutual friend.

    Did Bob Iger ever go to Davos? Is Davos the Inner Party? Something more inner than that? At this point we start down the rabbit hole.

    But...

    Rhetorical question: who ever heard of Jeff Epstein before 2016 or so? How many others like him exist, quietly making billions with "money management" of some kind, but smart enough to not get busted with teenaged girls 'massaging" them? More than one?

    Twinkie
    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.”

    Maybe they don't want to get in trouble. You could ask Seth Rich about that.

    There's something a lot bigger out there than used to was. Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC. That's why Liddy et al were in Watergate when they got caught. Obama obviously had no problem when he used the FISA court, the FBI and other alphabet assets to put massive surveillance on the Trump campaign and early administration. Isn't that kind of domestic spying the job an Inner Party would want done?

    Why did Obama do that? Cui bono?

    >Nixon could never have used the FBI to wiretap the DNC.

    J. Edgar Hoover was quite willing to wiretap the NSC on Nixon and Kissinger’s request as recently as 1969. But what Hoover understood-and what Nixon refused to understand-was that times were changing and these kinds of things were not going to be acceptable going forward.

    Had Hoover lived into Nixon’s second term, though, it is highly unlikely Watergate would have played out the way it did. No Mark Felt leaks is just the beginning of it: there would have been no Grey hearings in early 1973. Hoover didn’t have much affection for Nixon as a person, and vice versa, but he would have wanted the pre-Watergate Presidency protected at all costs. He would have had even less sympathy for Nixon’s enemies, anyway.

  190. @Charles Erwin Wilson Three
    Yes, of course Peter.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.
     
    Right! Because the heirs of Ghenghis Khan, and his brother Don, have dominated human history and produced all the advances we have seen from about 1400 AD right up until now.

    Let us recount some advances: crop rotation, printing press, scientific method, individual rights, division of labor, representative democracy, steam engine, sanitary waste control, telegraphy, telephony, antibiotics, computing, nuclear technology, space travel and human rights. No wet markets. In medicine, physics, chemistry, product development, and especially in the realm of human flourishing it is always one of the 2 Billion descendants of that ultimate horn-dog Genghis leading the way. It is why no one wants to immigrate to America and everyone looks to get in under the penumbra of G. Khan.

    Alexander was a patriarch in our tradition. What is your tradition?

    Ghengis is an odd choice for whatever their criteria was. Ghengis was mostly a destroyer. He set multiple civilizations back quite a bit and didn’t do much to advance his own beyond his generation (maybe two).

    As others have pointed out, many other greats have had much longer and lasting impacts that are felt today. If you are in Asia proper, maybe the affection for Ghengis is genetic on account of his DNA prevalence. I don’t know. Ceaser, Alexander, Aristotle and others left meaningful contributes that last in the Western world to this day.

  191. @Anonymous
    Well, Octavian learned one great lesson from the life of Caesar, which was to never forgive your opponents, but to destroy them without mercy. He even had Cleopatra's children killed because they might have opposed him in future. This policy clearly served him well as he died in his bed, unlike his uncle.

    He only killed the oldest boy: he would have been stupid not to, of course. The others were put into the care of his sister, Octavia.

    >This policy clearly served him well as he died in his bed, unlike his uncle.

    Also, don’t make yourself out to be anything approximating a monarch. Augustus jumped through an insane number of hoops to try and underline the continuity with the long de-facto defunct Republic. This wasn’t necessarily just a cynical charade, given his own ideological beliefs.

    Sulla knew that, too. Caesar always mocked Sulla as a political amateur for resigning, but Sulla was the one who died in bed.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    Octavian exploited the sacrosanct office of tribune:

    https://oxfordre.com/classics/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199381135.001.0001/acrefore-9780199381135-e-8196
  192. Anonymous[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    So Steve is denying Operation Mockingbird now?
     
    Remember when "Operations" had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    The nadir has to be Operation Uphold Democracy, though the oxymoronic Iraqi Freedom was pretty bad, too. Do vets sit around the VFW reminiscing, "Yeah, I was in Operation Uphold. Those were the days!"

    I think operation names are supposed to be cryptic? What’s the point of them otherwise? A casual eavesdropper overhearing them is supposed to remain clueless as to what they mean.

  193. @nebulafox
    He only killed the oldest boy: he would have been stupid not to, of course. The others were put into the care of his sister, Octavia.

    >This policy clearly served him well as he died in his bed, unlike his uncle.

    Also, don't make yourself out to be anything approximating a monarch. Augustus jumped through an insane number of hoops to try and underline the continuity with the long de-facto defunct Republic. This wasn't necessarily just a cynical charade, given his own ideological beliefs.

    Sulla knew that, too. Caesar always mocked Sulla as a political amateur for resigning, but Sulla was the one who died in bed.

  194. @Bardon Kaldian
    Left & right people are divided over four types of killing:

    1. abortion
    2. capital punishment
    3. suicide
    4. euthanasia

    Left is, usually, for 1 & 4 and against 2, while right is, mostly, for 2 & against 1 and 4. With regard to 3, there is no consensus, though left is more tolerant.

    You left out War. The Left in the US at some point abandoned any but the thinnest pretense of being antiwar. Not easy to fine anyone really antiwar on the Right either, but there are a few.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    No, war is out of the picture, along with "suicides" caused by smoking, obesity etc. These killings involve individuals only due to their specific personal situations & are the result, mostly, of their individual conscious actions.
  195. Ed says:

    So Disney didn’t see the virus coming but evidently Trump was supposed to see it. Big corporations didn’t see it. No other Western country saw it coming. Yet our media keeps hammering away on what did or didn’t happen in January & February. Trump and Nixon are tight, the media is the enemy.

  196. @Semperluctor
    May I please renew my suggestion that we cancel China’s Treasury holdings as compensation for their wicked and callously indifferent export of this virus? Their holdings amount to about 2.5 trillion. The harm that the Chinese Communist Party has caused us is more than 5 trillion. They were either grossly reckless or deliberate about their wrongful actions; they need to pay. If they were an American business, they would crippled and bankrupted by lawsuits. Just cancel their bond holdings. This is not a default, it will not be seen as a default, and it will not affect our credit rating.

    If they were an American business, they would (be) crippled and bankrupted by lawsuits.

    They don’t even need to be American for that. Just show (or even claim) that they were in some way associated with white nationalist causes; descended from anyone who fought on the wrong side of WW2; or ever provided financial support to the Palestinian people.

    Why now, the lawsuits fairly write themselves.

  197. @Reg Cæsar
    Why would anyone married to Willow Bay not retire?

    Are you suggesting that she is a sex object? She looks quite old. She is certainly past her fertile years, her boobs droop, her butt hangs, and her vagina would be dry. On the other hand, the pleasure in sex is very much a psychological phenomenon.

  198. @Harry Baldwin
    Remember when “Operations” had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    It's like when warships had names like "HMS Revenge" and "HMS Resolution," whereas they now have names like "USS Gabrielle Giffords" and "USS Harvey Milk" (the latter full of seamen, of course).

    It’s like when warships had names like “HMS Revenge” and “HMS Resolution,” whereas they now have names like “USS Gabrielle Giffords” and “USS Harvey Milk” (the latter full of seamen, of course).

    Don’t get me started. Can you imagine being a plank owner of some of these ridiculously named ships, or having to serve on them? Back in the day, if they found out that a sailor was a “friend of Dorothy,” a chopper would appear and they’d be gone.

    What’s worse is that the Milk is to be a John Lewis-class “oiler.” That just ain’t right.

    • Replies: @captflee
    The tragedy is mitigated in that the large majority of the plank owners and others who follow are not active Navy, rather CIVMARS (civil service merchant mariners), and contractors. Regular Navy folk will be aboard for certain tasks, such as crypto tech, operation of defensive systems, etc., or maybe not. Based on my five years as a young CIVMAR in the mid 80s, even then the Resistance was starting the long march which in time led to the seeming adoption by the civil service of the cult of the Lightbringer.

    Thereafter, operating other Military Sealift Command vessels as a plain ol' merchant seaman, a non-trivial amount of my time was spent "training" grizzled union ABs and oilers, to howls of derisive laughter, how they were under no circumstance to avail themselves of remunerated companionship, and dozens of other such edicts resulting from the emerging enthusiasms of the rising New Class. So, those plank owners, if not yet loving Big Brother, mostly know when to smile and clap and when to speak their minds. Got that civil service pension to consider, y'know.

    I'm waiting on the USNS Billy Ayers and the USNS Shakata Assur...
  199. @guest
    "Walt Disney Company turned franchises like Marvel and 'Star Wars' into the biggest media businesses in the world"

    No. Disney ran Star Wars into the ground.

    Marvel and Lucasfilm both were bought by Disney for BILLIONS of dollars. Star Wars was already a huge franchise. Marvel was already one of the Big Two comic book companies. Iron Man, the movie that birthed the Marvel Cinematic Blah-blah-blah, had already come out.

    As you stated, Marvel was already a hit when they sold to Disney. After Disney, the movies have become far more formulaic. The only thing keeping it going was momentum and the tie-in to Infinity War. Now they are getting ready to go woke, and it is going to crash and burn.

    Doing some basic analysis, Disney, at best, has hit break-even with what it spent for Star Wars. At the moment, the franchise is in collapse. They’ve made five movies, two cartoons, and one streaming show. The streaming show has done well. The cartoons were one okay and the other bombed. Out of five movies, only Rogue One got any sort of lasting praise. The problem is, Star Wars is inherently a boys franchise. Sure some girls like it. But, they like it for the same reason the boys do. Disney has shown little ability in three decades to appeal to boys. It’s like taking Twilight and trying to make it for guys.

  200. @anon
    I actually admire Iger for trying to help Disney in this time of need. Sure vanity and pride or involved but thousands of peoples jobs or at stake and if he is not a sociopath this should weigh on him. The worst is when a guy writes a book about his career and goes on tour while his organization or project is going up in flames and doesn't seem to be doing anything about it. Disney is in trouble because people have to trust flying for their U.S. properties to really fill up. Assuming they trust Disney. My only complaint is ESPN. They will go at least, two months without showing sports and our we going to get a refund for this. The screamer hosts shows or not worth the money we are paying ESPN.

    All the more reason to cut the cord.

  201. @Anonymous
    Token Chinese characters are appearing with ever greater frequency in big budget Hollywood pictures. I don't know why this is being done. Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America. If they want to see a bunch of Chinese people they'll just watch their own national movies.

    Or is there some quota system in place requiring a film to have a certain % of Chinese principal characters to get shown in China?

    Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America.

    American movies get blacker and browner by the day, in particular when it comes to American males. And similar for Britain. Not too long ago, I saw a BBC history show where some British monarch was played by a Paki.

    Again, I know we are told there is no Inner Party, but all of these disparate elements, mass invasive immigration, lockstep mass media presentation of the issues, mass international (apparently) coordinated legislation and political posturing….

    So there certainly appears to be an Inner Party, but we are told that it would still be wrong to infer the existence of an Inner Party?

    So who am I going to believe, someone out there on the internet, or my lying eyes?

    And I still haven’t even touched on the international reaction to the 9-11 narrative, which is obviously bullshit but which neither the interational MSM nor even supposedly hostile foreign governments has ever called out for the obvious bullshit that it is. Why have the supposedly hostile governments chosen to play along with that narrative?

    But…(Jedi mind control)…there is no Inner Party.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    Flock behavior. Our elites are dumber than tuna or starlings. Just look at them. Does Joe Biden resemble a master mind. They school like sardines
  202. @Anon7
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that we didn't / don't know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

    As a nation, we need to see China's lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there's no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we'd better come up with one.

    Look, if you’re going to go around suggesting sensible ideas, you’re going to have to go somewhere else.

    This is America.

  203. C S Lewis understood that although there may not be a competent, organized ‘Inner Party’, because of the fallen human desire for belonging, there will always be an ‘Inner Ring’.

    His famous lecture on this topic is well worth reading:

    The Inner Ring

    • Replies: @guest
    There is something in political science known as the Iron Law of Oligarchy proclaiming much the same thing. Though it comes at it from a more mechanistic angle.

    All complex organizations come to be dominated by smaller groups because that's the only way such things work. If they could organize themselves spontaneously, they wouldn't be formally organized.

    , @utu
    Thank you for bring up "The Inner Circle."
  204. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.
    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge."

    There are a very few times in human history when extremely exceptional individuals had enough power and influence to affect all the human race on a global scale. Examples would be Genghis Khan conquering Eurasia, or Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years(Roman Emperors were not called Caesar for no reason). But you need to have very extreme levels of intelligence, ability, energy, talent and personality to do that. Extreme outliers who are at or above six standard-deviations above ordinary humans are not exactly easy to come by. These are one-in-a-billion to one-in-ten-billion individuals.

    For the most part, you are right: the World is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for elite individuals and groups to effectively control it. The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them. And even then, it is extremely difficult because there is a lot of competition with other elite individuals and groups that have diametrically opposite interests.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand. The reason why things happen the way they do is do to extremely complicated interactions of apparently unrelated facts that number in the trillions. Even extremely intelligent people get confused trying to get a "big picture" of everything, and they usually are only able to have certain theories on why some aspects of the totalityof the World behave the way they do. Nobelists and intellectuals can do no better than propose suppositions about why things are the way they are, and then support their suppositions with evidence and propose experiments and comparisons to asses whether their suppositions are true. If the very smart struggle, what hope is there for average people?

    But a conspiracy theory is something that everyone can understand. Humans are social primates that play games of interpersonal trickery on each other to achieve dominance(resources, attractive mates, etc). It goes back to high school, and bitchy girls gossiping to each other.

    It's much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven't risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down. Listening to an explanation that involves concepts like comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, etc, is just frustrating not only because it is inscrutable, but because there is no one specific to place the blame. Humans like to anthropomorphize the sources of their pain and suffering, and impersonal and complex culprits are just not attractive.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.

    Yes, I think that’s a large part of the motivation for believing in conspiracy theories. It’ much easier to believe in conspiracy theories than to try to figure out how the world actually works.

    It’s not the only motivation. There are also people who like to think they have Secret Knowledge that ordinary folks don’t have.

    And there are people who are simply inclined to paranoid delusions.

    • Replies: @utu
    The only people who can "figure out how the world actually works" are the 'members in 'the inner party' who mold the world to their liking which usually is not liked by the rest.

    “ And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” - Karl Rove
     
    "All of you", includes you, dfordoom. From the heights of the Olympus there is no much difference between the 'conspiracy theorists' and you who so desperately is sending the smoke signals that you are not one of them.
    , @Old Palo Altan
    Well, those are certainly some of the reasons why "so many people" believe in conspiracy theories.

    But those of us who have discovered that there actually are conspiracies, and many more than just one, did so because we looked around with a noticing but discriminating eye.

    Thus: no, to the the Protocols (but with regret); yes, to the Grand Orient; no, to a Communist plot to take over the Catholic Church; yes, to the St. Gallen mafia and its sadly successful plot to topple Benedict and install Francis.

    And none of them are ever acting alone; there are always individuals who come to their aid, for reasons of their own, who might even play the decisive role at the critical moment.

    A De Gaulle, for example, in Algeria, or a Sodano in Rome.

  205. @reiner Tor

    until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period.
     
    But they told the truth by January 23 at the latest, didn't they? And they also didn't lie about any of the relevant numbers afterwards, CFR, R0, hospitalization rates, rates of people in ICU, on ventilators, ECMO machines, age structure, comorbidities, etc. They also openly told the world that they needed to shut down a province the size of Spain to stop its spread, and by early February it became clear that they essentially had to shut down the entire economy in order prevent it spreading into other corners of the country.

    So the American government knew by early February at the latest that it was dealing with a horrible infectious disease spreading from human to human, knew all the important numbers about it. The Chinese might still have lied about where exactly they were on the curve (they might've lied that they were a few weeks earlier than in reality by the time they shut down the economy), but does it matter? Looking at exponential curves with a doubling in less than a week, does it matter at exactly which point they were on January 23? Not, except for morons who don't understand exponential curves.

    So what did the American government (or any other Western government) do after January 23? Okay, there was a belated travel ban by Trump (and before that some monitoring of some people traveling from China), but other than that... crickets. Nothing.

    They knew everything they needed to know by January 23, and yet they didn't even start organizing to produce surgical masks for the population (it's not exactly space rocket production, so even relatively poor or middle income countries should've been capable of producing them), other than the travel ban (by some countries), they did nothing.

    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Western governments spend enormous amounts on intelligence agencies. So what were they doing all this time? Did they just believe what the Chinese told them?

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn't do between January 23 and the actual outbreak. This narrative is factually incorrect (because China didn't lie about the important facts after January 23), and also paints a picture of dumb and gullible, horribly incompetent Western governments against the cunning and competent Chinese. Western governments would be to blame even if the Chinese didn't tell all the important numbers after January 23 (and they did).

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn’t do between January 23 and the actual outbreak.

    Yes. It’s in the nature of western politics that when something bad happens the first priority is to find someone else to blame.

    • Replies: @res

    Yes. It’s in the nature of western politicshuman beings that when something bad happens the first priority is to find someone else to blame.
     
    FIFY

    P.S. If you are going to call yourself dfordoom you need to up your doom game ; )
  206. Think about the Greek gods on Mt. Olympus. Great were there powers and their ability to shape human history from behind the scenes. But even the Greek gods were subject to Moira or Fate. It was the one force the gods were helpless against. Even in Inner Circle(s), things go wrong.

    A good balance for the Ruling Class/Inner Circle theories of this era is the thin little book “Systemantics: How Systems Work and Especially How They Fail,” by John Gall. I found it by chance in a PX the week I joined the US Army. A valuable guide-

  207. Anonymous[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Semperluctor
    May I please renew my suggestion that we cancel China’s Treasury holdings as compensation for their wicked and callously indifferent export of this virus? Their holdings amount to about 2.5 trillion. The harm that the Chinese Communist Party has caused us is more than 5 trillion. They were either grossly reckless or deliberate about their wrongful actions; they need to pay. If they were an American business, they would crippled and bankrupted by lawsuits. Just cancel their bond holdings. This is not a default, it will not be seen as a default, and it will not affect our credit rating.

    Agree the CCP deserves blame. They warned us about it and we waited like a month to do anything. If they had warned us a month earlier, we would have got to it a month earlier!

    • Troll: CAL2
    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
    xie xie wumao

    (thank you CCP hack)
  208. anonymous[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @reiner Tor

    until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period.
     
    But they told the truth by January 23 at the latest, didn't they? And they also didn't lie about any of the relevant numbers afterwards, CFR, R0, hospitalization rates, rates of people in ICU, on ventilators, ECMO machines, age structure, comorbidities, etc. They also openly told the world that they needed to shut down a province the size of Spain to stop its spread, and by early February it became clear that they essentially had to shut down the entire economy in order prevent it spreading into other corners of the country.

    So the American government knew by early February at the latest that it was dealing with a horrible infectious disease spreading from human to human, knew all the important numbers about it. The Chinese might still have lied about where exactly they were on the curve (they might've lied that they were a few weeks earlier than in reality by the time they shut down the economy), but does it matter? Looking at exponential curves with a doubling in less than a week, does it matter at exactly which point they were on January 23? Not, except for morons who don't understand exponential curves.

    So what did the American government (or any other Western government) do after January 23? Okay, there was a belated travel ban by Trump (and before that some monitoring of some people traveling from China), but other than that... crickets. Nothing.

    They knew everything they needed to know by January 23, and yet they didn't even start organizing to produce surgical masks for the population (it's not exactly space rocket production, so even relatively poor or middle income countries should've been capable of producing them), other than the travel ban (by some countries), they did nothing.

    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Western governments spend enormous amounts on intelligence agencies. So what were they doing all this time? Did they just believe what the Chinese told them?

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn't do between January 23 and the actual outbreak. This narrative is factually incorrect (because China didn't lie about the important facts after January 23), and also paints a picture of dumb and gullible, horribly incompetent Western governments against the cunning and competent Chinese. Western governments would be to blame even if the Chinese didn't tell all the important numbers after January 23 (and they did).

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn’t do between January 23 and the actual outbreak.

    If you’re old enough, you not only know this is all just idle conversation, you also know intuitively that this virus fiasco is just more of the same bullshit from the evil Dr. Zin. Even Tiny Duck couldn’t deny that Zin is fucking asshole. Always has been. Always will be.

    We should call it the fucking “Zin Virus,” because that’s what it is.

  209. @ben tillman

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere
     
    Most or all of those things -- especially the first -- are very much due to conscious planning.

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.

    So explain to us how the loss of religiosity (which has been happening gradually for a couple of centuries) is the result of conscious planning.

    And explain to us how the decline in birth rates among the educated (which has been happening gradually for a century or so) is the result of conscious planning.

    Feminism also has its roots in the late 18th century. The loony American variety began in the 19th century as an offshoot of Puritanism. Feminism always attracted women who were not exactly sane or normal. As feminism took off in a big way it attracted more and more mentally unstable women. I can’t see any evidence of conscious planning.

    The whole Gay Liberation thing which started the cult of sexual perversion also seemed to be simply a product of the zeitgeist, along with the Sexual Revolution.

    Most of the destructive changes since 1945 appear to have been the completely unplanned consequence of complex economic, political, technological, social and cultural changes. Not conscious planning.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    So explain to us how the loss of religiosity (which has been happening gradually for a couple of centuries) is the result of conscious planning.
     
    I don't really see that as the result of conscious planning. Some conscious planning could arguably be somewhat influential, but that one is different from the rest of the list.

    And explain to us how the decline in birth rates among the educated (which has been happening gradually for a century or so) is the result of conscious planning.
     
    Some of the feminist phenomenon is the result of conscious planning. Feminism is one, though not the only, cause of the decline in birth rates among the educated.
  210. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    Keep in mind they might not be high enough or part of the wrong faction. Vox Day pointed this out on February 27th.

    https://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-ceos-vanish.html

    There might not be a “Inner Party” per say, but there are formal/informal and prestigious networks across the globe. Your old friend Mr.X who works at the CIA’s bioterrorism department gives you the heads up of a nasty virus spreading in China one month before the news picks it up. (You hired a hooker in college to help him lose his virginity 30 years ago and is repaying the favor. His NSA contacts can read CCP intelligence reports despite the Wuhan media blackout and military encryption.)

    You spread it to your fellow yuppie friends. Some ignore it while others plan ahead accordingly. The “Inner Party” isn’t a centralized entity but more of a private Facebook chat group. What’s discussed over the grapevine is instantaneous and not executed by committee. It’s insider trading but not (often) about stocks.

  211. @TomSchmidt
    Yeah, I've heard a lot of boomer remover jokes.

    Keep in mind this was released in August 2019…

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    That makes the Millenials look even worse than the Boomers.

    If they're complaining that Boomers are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent the COVID-19 apocalypse, wait until their kids (assuming they have any) start complaining that they (Millenials) are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent some bogus climate-change apocalypse.

    Fate has revenge in store for you - your own children.

  212. If you want a real strong anti-conspiracy point on this whole thing…

    In two major purchases in December and January Blackstone bought around $10 billion of Vegas casinos.

    Ouch.

    • Replies: @anon
    Perhaps not.
    The 2 essential requirements for casinos and racetracks are Chinamen and Wogs.
  213. “Even in Inner Circle(s), things go wrong.” – Frequently used argument that failures and setbacks imply that the inner party does not exist. It is used against the simpleminded ‘conspiracy theorists’ whose default position is that the inner party must be omnipotent and omniscient.

    • Replies: @Anon
    https://www.maurizioblondet.it/eparina-funziona-scoperta-del-genio-italico-e-il-suo-contrario/

    Can’t make the links work to access medical paper, tho. At this point in medicine’s history, we should be able to have available treatments.. vaccines can then come leisurely.
  214. @Anonymous
    Agree the CCP deserves blame. They warned us about it and we waited like a month to do anything. If they had warned us a month earlier, we would have got to it a month earlier!

    xie xie wumao

    (thank you CCP hack)

  215. @brabantian
    The biggest failing of leadership of all in this covid-19 mess:

    In the developing world, in countries such as Uganda, India and Indonesia with little social safety net, the lockdown is catastrophic, and people are literally starving to death.

    It is clearly a violation of human rights for any government to tell people to stay at home, without ensuring that household's supply of food and life's basics, including continuing housing.

    Yet we have almost no developing world leader, speaking out against this insanity. Leaders of India and Indonesia, for example, barely hesitated to order starvation and death for their own people, in order to please international masters seeking their 'coronavirus cooperation'.

    It is simply satanism, to impose a 'lockdown' on any poor population, without giving them the means of economic survival to get through the days and weeks of deprivation.

     

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/04/scamdemic-catastrophic-hungry-third-world.html

    If you look at the history books the #1 all time cause of civil domestic violence, &c is named bread riots.

    What you have in places like India is a lit fuse and freight cars full of dynamite at the end of it. This is very likely to become very ugly very fast.

  216. @The Last Real Calvinist
    C S Lewis understood that although there may not be a competent, organized 'Inner Party', because of the fallen human desire for belonging, there will always be an 'Inner Ring'.

    His famous lecture on this topic is well worth reading:

    The Inner Ring

    There is something in political science known as the Iron Law of Oligarchy proclaiming much the same thing. Though it comes at it from a more mechanistic angle.

    All complex organizations come to be dominated by smaller groups because that’s the only way such things work. If they could organize themselves spontaneously, they wouldn’t be formally organized.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    True, but the spontaneity is in the combustion,which, under the right conditions, burns out the overstory and clears the canopy for young seedlings to grow.
  217. If someone is “inner circle” and you know their name and know what they stand for, or what they claim to stand for, they are not really inner circle.

    Think of it like this – maybe Bill Gates, Soros, the Bushes, most people running important institutions, are to the real inner circle what the Dennis Rodmans of the world are to the Michael Jordans of the world (since we are talking about China flunkies tonight….) —-

    and I do not think that one in a million people, even on a conspiracy-heavy website like the Utz review, could name more than one or two of the Michael Jordans of the real inner circles. I mean, if you can name them, and then explain why they actually are sort of incompetent, and are not bright, all the more power to you (to use an awful expression, but I am expressing a very sobering and unpleasant thought, at least from the point of view of this world) — but you probably can’t, amirite

    Think of it another way. Make up your own analogy. Include in your analogy the premise that there are people with influence who know how to protect themselves from being the objects of conspiracy theories. Maybe that is part of their skill set.

    Nimitz and King had it easy figuring out the Japanese power structure. Assuming they ever did, and did not win simply by having their countrymen build many many ships and many many planes

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
    C.S. Lewis had interesting views on "the inner circle" : he wrote several novels about how an inner circle tried to bring down (a) Venus and (b) England, etc., and he had a deep bitterness against the privileged boys who bullied him when he was in public school (the passage where he describes his reflections on the fact that most of the older boys he despised (because they were cowardly bullies at public school) were killed in WWI is one of the most brutal things I have ever read, and I have read lots of brutal things): but he was born rich, lived rich, and died a rich man.
    His view was that smart people gravitate to an inner circle, they get addicted to it, and as they gain power the Devil begins to use them. As I explained in the previous paragraph, he had real and honestly gained bitterness towards the sort of people who quickly achieve power, but, as someone who was rich (but not powerful) all his life, he missed a very important point (or maybe I have not read enough of C.S. Lewis to remember him making this point) - a point which Schopenhauer tried to make, with his morbid reflections on what it is to be an old successful man in a bad system, and a point which Shakespeare himself was afraid to make (read King Lear and look at what is missing) ----
    but if you are rich, or privileged, you are not going to understand the point that Lewis could not make.

    That being said, Lewis often quoted the Bible verses that make the point. Start with his book on "The Problem of Pain" or his book on the Psalms, both of which were obviously written by a rich man, but both of which get close to making the point I am not making,because it would not do you any good for me to explain it, you have to pray to God to understand how much we have to pray.
    , @Steve Sailer
    Can you name who was the String-Puller-in-Chief at some point in the past?

    For example, 100 years ago in the UK, Alfred Milner was more influential than he was famous. He and his boys had influence on influential institutions such as the Times of London and the Encyclopedia Britannica.

    But ... he wasn't as important as, say, David Lloyd-George the prime minister. And Milner was unusual in that he more or less inherited his resources of influence from the much more famous and personally ambitious Cecil Rhodes.

    , @Hibernian
    I think it's generally the other way around. With some exceptions, the people with large fortunes are generally well known, and they're the ones with the power. Despite being well known, they're protected by their large country estates and security forces. Some of them are publicity averse, but most, because of their egos, are not. The unknown or at least little known players are fixers who work fr the rich/powerful. This obviously doesn't include elected officials, cabinet level appointed officials, or even high level non-cabinet appointed officials such as White House Chief of Staff.
  218. It is used against the simpleminded ‘conspiracy theorists’ whose default position is that the inner party must be omnipotent and omniscient.

    “It is used against the simpleminded strawman whose…”

    Fixed it for you.

  219. @dfordoom

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.
     
    Yes, I think that's a large part of the motivation for believing in conspiracy theories. It' much easier to believe in conspiracy theories than to try to figure out how the world actually works.

    It's not the only motivation. There are also people who like to think they have Secret Knowledge that ordinary folks don't have.

    And there are people who are simply inclined to paranoid delusions.

    The only people who can “figure out how the world actually works” are the ‘members in ‘the inner party’ who mold the world to their liking which usually is not liked by the rest.

    “ And while you’re studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” – Karl Rove

    “All of you”, includes you, dfordoom. From the heights of the Olympus there is no much difference between the ‘conspiracy theorists’ and you who so desperately is sending the smoke signals that you are not one of them.

  220. The idea that if an organization makes bad mistakes, therefore it must not exist, is quite interesting.

  221. @The Last Real Calvinist
    C S Lewis understood that although there may not be a competent, organized 'Inner Party', because of the fallen human desire for belonging, there will always be an 'Inner Ring'.

    His famous lecture on this topic is well worth reading:

    The Inner Ring

    Thank you for bring up “The Inner Circle.”

  222. @Steve Sailer
    Bletchley Park, where up to 10,000 people worked at one time, maintained about 99% of its secrecy into the early 1970s.

    In a lot of complex projects no one person has any clue how their little piece fits into the whole. They are on a team designing one cog in a mystery machine. Years later they learn it was the atom bomb, or whatever.

  223. @Stephen Dodge
    If someone is "inner circle" and you know their name and know what they stand for, or what they claim to stand for, they are not really inner circle.

    Think of it like this - maybe Bill Gates, Soros, the Bushes, most people running important institutions, are to the real inner circle what the Dennis Rodmans of the world are to the Michael Jordans of the world (since we are talking about China flunkies tonight....) ----

    and I do not think that one in a million people, even on a conspiracy-heavy website like the Utz review, could name more than one or two of the Michael Jordans of the real inner circles. I mean, if you can name them, and then explain why they actually are sort of incompetent, and are not bright, all the more power to you (to use an awful expression, but I am expressing a very sobering and unpleasant thought, at least from the point of view of this world) --- but you probably can't, amirite

    Think of it another way. Make up your own analogy. Include in your analogy the premise that there are people with influence who know how to protect themselves from being the objects of conspiracy theories. Maybe that is part of their skill set.

    Nimitz and King had it easy figuring out the Japanese power structure. Assuming they ever did, and did not win simply by having their countrymen build many many ships and many many planes

    C.S. Lewis had interesting views on “the inner circle” : he wrote several novels about how an inner circle tried to bring down (a) Venus and (b) England, etc., and he had a deep bitterness against the privileged boys who bullied him when he was in public school (the passage where he describes his reflections on the fact that most of the older boys he despised (because they were cowardly bullies at public school) were killed in WWI is one of the most brutal things I have ever read, and I have read lots of brutal things): but he was born rich, lived rich, and died a rich man.
    His view was that smart people gravitate to an inner circle, they get addicted to it, and as they gain power the Devil begins to use them. As I explained in the previous paragraph, he had real and honestly gained bitterness towards the sort of people who quickly achieve power, but, as someone who was rich (but not powerful) all his life, he missed a very important point (or maybe I have not read enough of C.S. Lewis to remember him making this point) – a point which Schopenhauer tried to make, with his morbid reflections on what it is to be an old successful man in a bad system, and a point which Shakespeare himself was afraid to make (read King Lear and look at what is missing) —-
    but if you are rich, or privileged, you are not going to understand the point that Lewis could not make.

    That being said, Lewis often quoted the Bible verses that make the point. Start with his book on “The Problem of Pain” or his book on the Psalms, both of which were obviously written by a rich man, but both of which get close to making the point I am not making,because it would not do you any good for me to explain it, you have to pray to God to understand how much we have to pray.

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
    I know a lot more about America than I know about England, so I will pass on Alfred Milner.


    if you are not interested in CS Lewis references, imagine how , if you spent your life as a decent non-mob non-rich Italian-American back in the day, in mob-infested Queens or Brooklyn, you would picture a real version of the Godfather movies, imagine the difference between the movie you would want to see and the Sinatra swinging on the boulevards version that everyone thinks is so great.

    There was an old George Carlin routine about how rich people do not care about us, and Trump basically copied that in one of his speeches, intonation for intonation and sometimes word for word.
    While Carlin and Trump are both good guys, in this respect, there is a way to look at this as --- if they were bad people, Carlin would have been completely unknown, Trump would have been known, and Carlin would have been the bad puppeteer (trust me on this, I do not know how to do youtube cites, but anyone who wants to see the two speeches can find them).

    Someone is teaching the Soroses and Bergoglios of the world how to say the anti-poor, anti-middle class things that they say.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    C S Lewis came from an upper-middle class background (his father was a lawyer), he held academic posts at prestigious universities, and his books sold lots of copies.

    But he was nothing like rich.

    Lewis systematically gave away the profits of his authorial work, and in fact was strapped for cash for much of his adult life.

  224. @Stephen Dodge
    If someone is "inner circle" and you know their name and know what they stand for, or what they claim to stand for, they are not really inner circle.

    Think of it like this - maybe Bill Gates, Soros, the Bushes, most people running important institutions, are to the real inner circle what the Dennis Rodmans of the world are to the Michael Jordans of the world (since we are talking about China flunkies tonight....) ----

    and I do not think that one in a million people, even on a conspiracy-heavy website like the Utz review, could name more than one or two of the Michael Jordans of the real inner circles. I mean, if you can name them, and then explain why they actually are sort of incompetent, and are not bright, all the more power to you (to use an awful expression, but I am expressing a very sobering and unpleasant thought, at least from the point of view of this world) --- but you probably can't, amirite

    Think of it another way. Make up your own analogy. Include in your analogy the premise that there are people with influence who know how to protect themselves from being the objects of conspiracy theories. Maybe that is part of their skill set.

    Nimitz and King had it easy figuring out the Japanese power structure. Assuming they ever did, and did not win simply by having their countrymen build many many ships and many many planes

    Can you name who was the String-Puller-in-Chief at some point in the past?

    For example, 100 years ago in the UK, Alfred Milner was more influential than he was famous. He and his boys had influence on influential institutions such as the Times of London and the Encyclopedia Britannica.

    But … he wasn’t as important as, say, David Lloyd-George the prime minister. And Milner was unusual in that he more or less inherited his resources of influence from the much more famous and personally ambitious Cecil Rhodes.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson Three

    Can you name who was the String-Puller-in-Chief at some point in the past?
     
    Hmm, well, "Colonel" House for Woodrow Wilson and Harry Hopkins for Franklin Delano Roosevelt both qualify.
  225. @Stephen Dodge
    C.S. Lewis had interesting views on "the inner circle" : he wrote several novels about how an inner circle tried to bring down (a) Venus and (b) England, etc., and he had a deep bitterness against the privileged boys who bullied him when he was in public school (the passage where he describes his reflections on the fact that most of the older boys he despised (because they were cowardly bullies at public school) were killed in WWI is one of the most brutal things I have ever read, and I have read lots of brutal things): but he was born rich, lived rich, and died a rich man.
    His view was that smart people gravitate to an inner circle, they get addicted to it, and as they gain power the Devil begins to use them. As I explained in the previous paragraph, he had real and honestly gained bitterness towards the sort of people who quickly achieve power, but, as someone who was rich (but not powerful) all his life, he missed a very important point (or maybe I have not read enough of C.S. Lewis to remember him making this point) - a point which Schopenhauer tried to make, with his morbid reflections on what it is to be an old successful man in a bad system, and a point which Shakespeare himself was afraid to make (read King Lear and look at what is missing) ----
    but if you are rich, or privileged, you are not going to understand the point that Lewis could not make.

    That being said, Lewis often quoted the Bible verses that make the point. Start with his book on "The Problem of Pain" or his book on the Psalms, both of which were obviously written by a rich man, but both of which get close to making the point I am not making,because it would not do you any good for me to explain it, you have to pray to God to understand how much we have to pray.

    I know a lot more about America than I know about England, so I will pass on Alfred Milner.

    if you are not interested in CS Lewis references, imagine how , if you spent your life as a decent non-mob non-rich Italian-American back in the day, in mob-infested Queens or Brooklyn, you would picture a real version of the Godfather movies, imagine the difference between the movie you would want to see and the Sinatra swinging on the boulevards version that everyone thinks is so great.

    There was an old George Carlin routine about how rich people do not care about us, and Trump basically copied that in one of his speeches, intonation for intonation and sometimes word for word.
    While Carlin and Trump are both good guys, in this respect, there is a way to look at this as — if they were bad people, Carlin would have been completely unknown, Trump would have been known, and Carlin would have been the bad puppeteer (trust me on this, I do not know how to do youtube cites, but anyone who wants to see the two speeches can find them).

    Someone is teaching the Soroses and Bergoglios of the world how to say the anti-poor, anti-middle class things that they say.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.
  226. @Stephen Dodge
    C.S. Lewis had interesting views on "the inner circle" : he wrote several novels about how an inner circle tried to bring down (a) Venus and (b) England, etc., and he had a deep bitterness against the privileged boys who bullied him when he was in public school (the passage where he describes his reflections on the fact that most of the older boys he despised (because they were cowardly bullies at public school) were killed in WWI is one of the most brutal things I have ever read, and I have read lots of brutal things): but he was born rich, lived rich, and died a rich man.
    His view was that smart people gravitate to an inner circle, they get addicted to it, and as they gain power the Devil begins to use them. As I explained in the previous paragraph, he had real and honestly gained bitterness towards the sort of people who quickly achieve power, but, as someone who was rich (but not powerful) all his life, he missed a very important point (or maybe I have not read enough of C.S. Lewis to remember him making this point) - a point which Schopenhauer tried to make, with his morbid reflections on what it is to be an old successful man in a bad system, and a point which Shakespeare himself was afraid to make (read King Lear and look at what is missing) ----
    but if you are rich, or privileged, you are not going to understand the point that Lewis could not make.

    That being said, Lewis often quoted the Bible verses that make the point. Start with his book on "The Problem of Pain" or his book on the Psalms, both of which were obviously written by a rich man, but both of which get close to making the point I am not making,because it would not do you any good for me to explain it, you have to pray to God to understand how much we have to pray.

    C S Lewis came from an upper-middle class background (his father was a lawyer), he held academic posts at prestigious universities, and his books sold lots of copies.

    But he was nothing like rich.

    Lewis systematically gave away the profits of his authorial work, and in fact was strapped for cash for much of his adult life.

  227. @Corvinus
    "I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do."

    I doubt that it went down as you say it did, but your story is only one data point.

    "People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do."

    I would venture to say that 50-70% of companies, large or small, overall have competent leadership. But Sailer's cagey point--he is not about to directly speak his mind about conspiracy theorists or theories, as he depends upon some of the posters here for coin--has merit.

    I doubt that

    I doubt that you doubt it.

  228. @Anonymous
    No, I am not confusing at all. Juluis Caesar was 1,000,000 X greater than his grand-nephew; in fact, Octavian himself would not consider himself as great as Caesar. Roman Emperors are called "Caesar" and not "Octavian" for a reason.

    Caesar was a much greater general than Octavian ever could be. The biggest military defeat in Roman history, the disaster of Teutoborg Wald, happened during Augustus' reign. Caesar conquered Gaul, Helvetia, western Hispania and northwestern Africa. He landed in Britain and pacified the natives. He defeated the Visigoths and then build fortifications along the Rhine to stop them from invading the empire. Those frontiers would remain stable for 400 years.

    Caesar is also one of the greatest Latin prose stylists of all times. His Commentaries on the Gallic and Civil wars are classics of World literature, and studied to this day as models of concision and precision in the use of language. As a jurist, Caesar was rivaling Hortensius, who was one of the Rome's greatest lawyers, when he was only 12 years old. As an orator, he was a match for Cicero, who is considered the greater orator in history.

    He was also a polymath and a man of vision. Highly intelligent and curious, he studied astronomy and reformed the Calendar. The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.

    As a political puppeteer and maipulator, he remains unmatched to this day. He started out as an impoverished politician from a minor Patrician family and ended up outwitting everyone and a de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.

    As a general, he surpassed both Cornelius Scipio and Pompey. As a writer, he is compared to Virgil and Ovid. As a jurist and orator, he matched Cicero. As a stateman, he is so supreme that his name became a synonym for supreme ruler. The words "Kaiser" in German and "Tsar" in Russian come from Caesar.

    And Octavian wouldn't have accomplished anything if Caesar didn't name him his heir. Octavian was a brilliant politician, but his grand-uncle was even greater at that, and Octavian did not have the multi-talents of his grand-uncle.

    de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.

    Quibble here. The system that Caesar replaced was a weak new system installed by Sulla over the crumbling edifice of the old Republican system.

    Sulla had tried to reform the Republic’s system because in the face of Rome moving, over centuries, from a small, ethnically homogenous city-state of farmers to a large, multi-ethnic empire composed of conquered peoples of various jobs and positions and vast class division—well, the old Republic system wasn’t cut out for the new empire. Sulla failed, because he didn’t go far enough. The checks and balances were almost useless, and the empire would either collapse into separate kingdoms or else converge into a authoritarian state.

    Caesar recognized that the only way to rule such a multi-ethnic, large empire was a dictatorship, and put himself forward as the most benevolent dictator for the job as nicely as he thought he had to. When the Romans killed him for it, Augustus wisely went even more sotto voce with his dictatorship —but a dictator he was.

  229. @Henry's Cat
    I heard that Disney Plus is going great guns, something like 50 million subscribers in the last quarter.

    True but Disney parks and cruise lines are taking in zero income right now while at the same time having to pay out a lot of money on upkeep, construction, security & salaries.

  230. @guest
    "Walt Disney Company turned franchises like Marvel and 'Star Wars' into the biggest media businesses in the world"

    No. Disney ran Star Wars into the ground.

    Marvel and Lucasfilm both were bought by Disney for BILLIONS of dollars. Star Wars was already a huge franchise. Marvel was already one of the Big Two comic book companies. Iron Man, the movie that birthed the Marvel Cinematic Blah-blah-blah, had already come out.

    Yep, Disney had nothing to do w/Marvel’s and the Star Wars franchise’s success. If anything they have made both pop-cultural entities weaker and certainly more rigidly formulaic.

  231. @Stephen Dodge
    I know a lot more about America than I know about England, so I will pass on Alfred Milner.


    if you are not interested in CS Lewis references, imagine how , if you spent your life as a decent non-mob non-rich Italian-American back in the day, in mob-infested Queens or Brooklyn, you would picture a real version of the Godfather movies, imagine the difference between the movie you would want to see and the Sinatra swinging on the boulevards version that everyone thinks is so great.

    There was an old George Carlin routine about how rich people do not care about us, and Trump basically copied that in one of his speeches, intonation for intonation and sometimes word for word.
    While Carlin and Trump are both good guys, in this respect, there is a way to look at this as --- if they were bad people, Carlin would have been completely unknown, Trump would have been known, and Carlin would have been the bad puppeteer (trust me on this, I do not know how to do youtube cites, but anyone who wants to see the two speeches can find them).

    Someone is teaching the Soroses and Bergoglios of the world how to say the anti-poor, anti-middle class things that they say.

    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR....
     
    There's a guy you could consult about that. I think his name is................ah yes, here it is............

    .................................Ron Unz.

    Perhaps you've never heard of him.
    , @utu
    "..identify who was pulling the strings behind [...] TR" - whoever did not want the incumbent Republican President William Howard Taft to be reelected.
    , @LondonBob
    Bernard Baruch for FDR.

    Anyway it is more a case of promoting like minded people, look at Trump, there was no one to implement his policies anyway. As Kevin MacDonald has said imagine what a patriotic billionaire throwing some money around like Soros does could do, a few think tanks, a few politicians bankrolled and a media empire to reach the masses and provide publicity for the right people.
    , @guest
    TR? Elihu Root.

    For FDR, check into Harry Hopkins, a.k.a. "Harry the Hop."

    , @Ron Unz

    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.
     
    Well, based upon the Venona Decrypts, I think there's a pretty good case that Stalin's agents were pulling the strings behind the FDR Administration, at least in its last couple of years...
  232. @Corvinus
    "I don’t hold with conspiracy theory."

    Of course you do. Either you don't want to acknowledge it, or you are simply that detached from reality that you've created one for yourself. It could be possible that you are here just to troll us.

    Nope, I’m evil Jooooo #1 for not believing in the Joooooooos! what was the question Muslims/Adolf lovers. I’m also evil for not buying a secret Bill Gates Bilderberger / Fan Brown conspiracy. When Davos men and Xirs shout their hate hate hate from the rooftops. It’s not a conspiracy when Obama openly tried to remove Trump with the Cia and FBI.

    Apparently I’m Jewish despite being Catholic. More Catholic than the Pope though that’s a low bar.

    I will say Epstein did not kill himself.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Nope, I’m evil Jooooo #1 for not believing in the Joooooooos!"

    Who is making that charge in your world?

    "I’m also evil for not buying a secret Bill Gates Bilderberger / Fan Brown conspiracy."

    Who accuses you of being evil?

    "When Davos men and Xirs shout their hate hate hate from the rooftops."

    Are you not being overly dramatic here?

    "It’s not a conspiracy when Obama openly tried to remove Trump with the Cia and FBI."

    Actually, that would be a conspiracy.

    "More Catholic than the Pope though that’s a low bar."

    How do you definitively know this?

    "I will say Epstein did not kill himself."

    Now that is something I can buy into.
  233. @Kim

    Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America.
     
    American movies get blacker and browner by the day, in particular when it comes to American males. And similar for Britain. Not too long ago, I saw a BBC history show where some British monarch was played by a Paki.

    Again, I know we are told there is no Inner Party, but all of these disparate elements, mass invasive immigration, lockstep mass media presentation of the issues, mass international (apparently) coordinated legislation and political posturing....

    So there certainly appears to be an Inner Party, but we are told that it would still be wrong to infer the existence of an Inner Party?

    So who am I going to believe, someone out there on the internet, or my lying eyes?

    And I still haven't even touched on the international reaction to the 9-11 narrative, which is obviously bullshit but which neither the interational MSM nor even supposedly hostile foreign governments has ever called out for the obvious bullshit that it is. Why have the supposedly hostile governments chosen to play along with that narrative?

    But...(Jedi mind control)...there is no Inner Party.

    Flock behavior. Our elites are dumber than tuna or starlings. Just look at them. Does Joe Biden resemble a master mind. They school like sardines

    • Agree: Jack Armstrong
  234. If there’s no ‘inner circle’, how do you explain the influence of Rhodes scholars?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Cecil Rhodes very much wanted to create an Anglophile inner circle. Most versions of his will called for his fortune to go to founding a secret society that would promote the British Empire the way the Jesuits promoted the Catholic Church. Eventually, he realized that a will being in the public record can't go around starting secret societies. So he switched to the public Rhodes Scholarships.
  235. I agree with you that the sort of conspiracy theorist who claims there are unnamed people out there behind many of the great historical figures of whom we have heard – as if someone was telling Lincoln to suspend habeas corpus and callously let the prisoners in the POW camps die by the thousands, or as if someone was telling Stalin to do what Stalin did, and Stalin obeyed – is a phony conspiracy theorist who is peddling nonsense.

    Stalin is not like the bad famous people of today, he was straight up in his desire to kill. Lincoln is not like the famous bad people of today, he studied all his life to fool people with his phony charisma. (Same goes for Jefferson Davis).

    TR and FDR were not trying to bend history in a bad direction, they were just carrying on the mistakes of their forebears (and carrying on the good traditions, too). No real unknown names behind them.

    But the inner circle people of today are not straightforward people like TR and FDR or straightforward villains like Stalin. Ask Bill Gates, or Bergoglio, or Soros, or the Bush/Obamas – people who are obviously trying very hard to make this world into a worse place for others – who they respect, who they are really trying to impress.

    If you could get an honest answer, you would know the name or names.

    We probably disagree on this, you think that is incompetence all the way up, I think there is something more sinister going on when bad things are forced onto good people. With Soros, his idolization of Popper and his misunderstandings are fairly easy to detect, with Gates and Bergoglio and the Bush/Obamas, there is probably a more complicated mix of intellectual blackmail and sinister compromises.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Since you have the sense to include Bergoglio in this noxious mixture you are clearly worth some attention.

    I also like the fact that you read the DNB, one of the great works of the great 19th century. The German biographical dictionary is comprehensive but turgid, the Austrian one wonderfully old world, with seemingly more genealogical tables than actual biographies, the American one came later, and has since been replaced by a more-or-less politically correct version which all right-minded people should boycott, the Italian one, begun in 1925, is currently at letter "S", with 92 very thick volumes so far published. The French, those mysterious people, don't even have one, completed or not, and the Irish only came out with theirs, in a rather meagre nine volumes, in 2009. There is an even later Spanish version, in 45 volumes, published as late as 2011-2013, which is, one can hardly doubt, disgustingly anti-everything which made Spain great, from El Cid to El Caudillo.
    Perhaps surprisingly (but actually not: they were a great people once) the Swedish version is in many ways the best of all - except for the DNB of course.

  236. @Hibernian
    You left out War. The Left in the US at some point abandoned any but the thinnest pretense of being antiwar. Not easy to fine anyone really antiwar on the Right either, but there are a few.

    No, war is out of the picture, along with “suicides” caused by smoking, obesity etc. These killings involve individuals only due to their specific personal situations & are the result, mostly, of their individual conscious actions.

  237. Hagel through followers, as in ‘the world is run by dead philosophers and economists’. Brown Brothers Harriman? Morgan Trust? Skull and Bones?

    • Replies: @Curle
    Hegel.
    , @Stephen Dodge
    in the DNB there is a phrase "did not suffer fools gladly" which means "was an atrocious human being"
    in the DNB there is another phrase "a lifelong bachelor" which means some poor soul did not like women

    read the DNB and search for another phrase which means "pulled the strings of the puppets"

    you will find it quickly in the pre-20th century entries

    same phrase, whether they were in anonymous charge of a town, a university, or the whole country

    and no it is not "power behind the throne" that would be too obvious

    In LOTR, the name was Wormtongue

  238. @Anonymous
    Steve Sailer:

    "There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.
    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge."

    There are a very few times in human history when extremely exceptional individuals had enough power and influence to affect all the human race on a global scale. Examples would be Genghis Khan conquering Eurasia, or Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years(Roman Emperors were not called Caesar for no reason). But you need to have very extreme levels of intelligence, ability, energy, talent and personality to do that. Extreme outliers who are at or above six standard-deviations above ordinary humans are not exactly easy to come by. These are one-in-a-billion to one-in-ten-billion individuals.

    For the most part, you are right: the World is too big, too complex and too unpredictable for elite individuals and groups to effectively control it. The best that elites can do is push for certain legislation, military and political action that forces a very small fraction of the economic, political, cultural and human totality of the World to shift in ways that favor them. And even then, it is extremely difficult because there is a lot of competition with other elite individuals and groups that have diametrically opposite interests.

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand. The reason why things happen the way they do is do to extremely complicated interactions of apparently unrelated facts that number in the trillions. Even extremely intelligent people get confused trying to get a "big picture" of everything, and they usually are only able to have certain theories on why some aspects of the totalityof the World behave the way they do. Nobelists and intellectuals can do no better than propose suppositions about why things are the way they are, and then support their suppositions with evidence and propose experiments and comparisons to asses whether their suppositions are true. If the very smart struggle, what hope is there for average people?

    But a conspiracy theory is something that everyone can understand. Humans are social primates that play games of interpersonal trickery on each other to achieve dominance(resources, attractive mates, etc). It goes back to high school, and bitchy girls gossiping to each other.

    It's much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven't risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down. Listening to an explanation that involves concepts like comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, etc, is just frustrating not only because it is inscrutable, but because there is no one specific to place the blame. Humans like to anthropomorphize the sources of their pain and suffering, and impersonal and complex culprits are just not attractive.

    It’s much more satisfying to the average person to hear that the reason why they lost their job or why their wages haven’t risen is that elites are conspiring to bring them down.

    That isn’t an average person conspiracy theory, it is an institutional analysis. Inger created 160 BILLION in shareholder value, and his remuneration reflects that. His motives are hardly in question. A business is run to maximise profit, which is a delicate balance. Providing jobs in the country in which they happen to live is a consideration of a different sphere. So of course investment bankers are in agreement to get together to outsource and provide capital for China to the extent that generates greater profits. The people running pension funds have a fiduciary duty to get the maximum returns. By my way of thinking, a conspiracy has to be where people are getting together for purposes opposed to what they are ostensibly doing and being paid to do by their institution.

    Trump was elected to counteract comparative advantage, cash flow, international division of labor, production cost, accrued human capital value, ECT. That is what he is trying to do and is there is anyone opposing him it is the hypercapitalist elite and their hirelings in the media. They make a lot of noise but they don’t have their hands on the levers of immediate power like the Deep State do.

    Most conspiracy theories I have seen involve not the director of the CIA or Joint Chiefs but middle management level. That is a lot more realistic, because those are the ones who can rise, whereas the elite cannot get any more important, they already own multiple grand houses, have pension pots worth many millions, and can get their kid into Harvard, so why rock the boat? It was colonels who tried to kill Hitler, not generals like Erich von Manstein, who in 1944 was using the secret loyalty payment to buying himself an estate somewhere 20 miles from where the sound of Soviet guns could be heard. How inequality comes with growth.y

    ONE thing I’ve learned from studying the history of these moments is that it really doesn’t take all that much to shift the preferences of a large enough share of the electorate in a certain direction to get this kind of change going. We saw this in the ’30s and we could see it again. […] America is still a democracy, so it’s more robust in that sense, and that’s something it doesn’t have in common with earlier societies or even contemporary developing countries that would buckle under comparable pressure. So it’s quite different in that way. […]

    But I think the best comparison is probably between the US and other high-income countries, where you see the US is more polarized and more unequal economically and racially and in other ways. The question is going to be, is the US going to suffer more because of this crisis than other countries that are more centralized or less unequal?

    Having reached its zenith and established trade with China ancient Rome was devastated by disease. The West is about to contract and I think people like Inger will have less influence.

  239. @Curle
    Hagel through followers, as in ‘the world is run by dead philosophers and economists’. Brown Brothers Harriman? Morgan Trust? Skull and Bones?

    Hegel.

  240. @anon
    If there's no 'inner circle', how do you explain the influence of Rhodes scholars?

    Cecil Rhodes very much wanted to create an Anglophile inner circle. Most versions of his will called for his fortune to go to founding a secret society that would promote the British Empire the way the Jesuits promoted the Catholic Church. Eventually, he realized that a will being in the public record can’t go around starting secret societies. So he switched to the public Rhodes Scholarships.

  241. @Curle
    Hagel through followers, as in ‘the world is run by dead philosophers and economists’. Brown Brothers Harriman? Morgan Trust? Skull and Bones?

    in the DNB there is a phrase “did not suffer fools gladly” which means “was an atrocious human being”
    in the DNB there is another phrase “a lifelong bachelor” which means some poor soul did not like women

    read the DNB and search for another phrase which means “pulled the strings of the puppets”

    you will find it quickly in the pre-20th century entries

    same phrase, whether they were in anonymous charge of a town, a university, or the whole country

    and no it is not “power behind the throne” that would be too obvious

    In LOTR, the name was Wormtongue

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Like Cardinal Richelieu in The Three Musketeers.

    But that was a hereditary monarchy, which naturally leads to powers behind the throne.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    Eminence grise?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89minence_grise

    An éminence grise (French pronunciation: ​[eminɑ̃s ɡʁiz]) or grey eminence is a powerful decision-maker or adviser who operates "behind the scenes", or in a non-public or unofficial capacity.

    This phrase originally referred to François Leclerc du Tremblay, the right-hand man of Cardinal Richelieu. Leclerc was a Capuchin friar who was renowned for his beige robe attire, as beige was termed "grey" in that era. The style His Eminence is used to address or refer to a cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church. Although Leclerc never achieved the rank of cardinal, those around him addressed him as such in deference to the considerable influence this "grey" friar held over "His Eminence the Cardinal"
     
    But that's an individual. For such people to act in concert (witting or not) they would all need to share the same outlook, at least when dealing with 'the other' is concerned.
  242. @Stephen Dodge
    in the DNB there is a phrase "did not suffer fools gladly" which means "was an atrocious human being"
    in the DNB there is another phrase "a lifelong bachelor" which means some poor soul did not like women

    read the DNB and search for another phrase which means "pulled the strings of the puppets"

    you will find it quickly in the pre-20th century entries

    same phrase, whether they were in anonymous charge of a town, a university, or the whole country

    and no it is not "power behind the throne" that would be too obvious

    In LOTR, the name was Wormtongue

    Like Cardinal Richelieu in The Three Musketeers.

    But that was a hereditary monarchy, which naturally leads to powers behind the throne.

  243. @Harry Baldwin
    How his devotees can be enthusiastic about Bernie is beyond me. Granted he can rant and rave with the best of them, but basically he's a wimp who can't even stand up for himself, much less challenge the existing order.

    How his devotees can be enthusiastic about Bernie is beyond me. Granted he can rant and rave with the best of them, but basically he’s a wimp who can’t even stand up for himself, much less challenge the existing order.

  244. @Bill

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     
    What a dopey thing to say. Conspiracy theories do not entail the existence of an "Inner Party" in the sense you mean here: some shadowy, cohesive, stable, ultra-talented group manipulating the world like a band of puppet-masters.

    Any illicit thing done by more than one person is a conspiracy. Done in secret, it is a secret conspiracy. People are routinely pilloried as conspiracy theorists for positing the existence of secret conspiracies involving no super-villains.

    The US Government certainly seems to believe in “conspiracy theories”:

    https://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/bulletins/overall/monthlyfeb20/gui/

    Table 2 shows the top lead charges recorded in the convictions of matters filed in U.S. District Court during February 2020.

    Lead Charge Count Rank 1yr ago 5yrs ago

    21 USC 846 – Attempt and conspiracy 604 4 4 3

    18 USC 371 – Conspiracy to commit 80 10 14 10
    offense or to defraud US

  245. @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.

    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR….

    There’s a guy you could consult about that. I think his name is…………….ah yes, here it is…………

    ……………………………Ron Unz.

    Perhaps you’ve never heard of him.

    • Replies: @Lot
    Careful bro, talk like that will land you on the Unz “restricted commenters list.”

    https://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/pepe-in-jail.jpg
  246. @Kronos
    Keep in mind this was released in August 2019...

    https://youtu.be/S195dc3-8D8

    That makes the Millenials look even worse than the Boomers.

    If they’re complaining that Boomers are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent the COVID-19 apocalypse, wait until their kids (assuming they have any) start complaining that they (Millenials) are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent some bogus climate-change apocalypse.

    Fate has revenge in store for you – your own children.

    • Replies: @utu
    Devolution to intergenerational cannibalism. Shortsightedness and lack of imagination. Or perhaps they accept the fate that they will be eaten by their children even sooner.

    There was a play by Edmund Morris "The Wooden Dish" (1956) that drew the conclusion of it to the logical end.
    , @Kronos
    The entity that made the video “CollegeHumor” made some superb and funny videos back in the day. Unfortunately, it got caught up in SJW Woke cult a few years back. It’s interesting that the Woke, Bernie Bros, and Dissident Right Millennials/Gen Xers commonly despise the Boomers. Primarily on the basis of economic grievances.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/636007295634112512/L7cM-VMh.png

    BTW I find Global Warming (at least induced by mankind) is on scientific thin ice (ha ha) in terms of substance.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    That makes the Millenials look even worse than the Boomers.

    If they’re complaining that Boomers are keeping them locked in a pod

     

    Even pre-Corona, Millenials were pod people. If not for Boomer parents, they might not leave the house at all.

    Fate has revenge in store for you – your own children.

     

    LOL.
  247. @Hibernian
    Is Ronald Reagan jr. R.P.R? Dad was Ronald Wilson Reagan.

    I wonder about that.Wilson was a nobody when Reagan was born [Feb. 1911] so was he named after another Wilson or was the name added in later?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    Mom was a Wilson:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelle_Wilson_Reagan
    , @LondonBob
    Wilson would be Colonel House.

    TR's ego was his weak spot, massage it and propose to fund his campaign and away you go. Same with Ross Perot, who knows how much influence Morton Myerson had on his decision to run.

    https://www.jns.org/remembering-ross-perots-relationship-with-israel-and-the-amreican-jewish-community/

  248. @DaKine
    If you want a real strong anti-conspiracy point on this whole thing...

    In two major purchases in December and January Blackstone bought around $10 billion of Vegas casinos.

    Ouch.

    Perhaps not.
    The 2 essential requirements for casinos and racetracks are Chinamen and Wogs.

  249. @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.

    “..identify who was pulling the strings behind […] TR” – whoever did not want the incumbent Republican President William Howard Taft to be reelected.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Who could it be who had a falling out with Taft around 1910 and decided he wanted to get back in the spotlight?

    Obviously, it couldn't have been Teddy Roosevelt himself, that personality-less cipher. It must have some shadowy behind the scenes figures who made TR, with his complete lack of ego and will, dance to their mysterious tune.

  250. @ben tillman

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere
     
    Most or all of those things -- especially the first -- are very much due to conscious planning.

    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people’s opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”. It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60’s, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable “others” to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, …. to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon “ideology” of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy…
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    …..

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60’s. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, “planned”; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, …).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”. It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period.
     

    But the portion in bold is an admission that the change in immigration policy is due to conscious planning because, of course, the norm to which you think the USG was conforming is entirely the result of conscious planning.
    , @Dumbo
    LOL. Non-white immigration increased ten-fold in the world since around 1965 (Not only in the US, in Canada, and in Europe as well, basically in all the developed Western world at roughly the same time) And that was not planned? Just happened "by accident"? Granted, some technological changes also influenced, but to say that there was not a wilful movement to change the demographics of those countries, including the U.S., is very naive.

    "No one has foreseen".
     
    It was pretty clear even then. Enoch Powell's speech is from 1968. Even before that, others were talking about "the rising tide of color". Agreeing or not with them, it's pretty clear that it was something that was desired, although the reasons are varied (cheap workers, globalization, etc)
    , @Matra

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”.

    ... There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, …. to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon “ideology” of the New Left
     
    I get the profit part but where does this "cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas" come from? You mention:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy…
     
    None of the above was popular in American or any other Western society. It was pushed from the top on down with the aid of some malcontents at the bottom and middle, plus a lot of people with no real opinion on these matters who were merely conforming to the agenda that was incentivised from the top. Societal conditions - greater wealth, physical mobility, etc - may have made it easier to ignore such "dominant ideas" without immediate consequences - for a while - but the ideas themselves did not spring organically from the society. Instead they were disseminated via mass media and the schools by those who had the power to do so.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.
     
    The family reunification policy was added by those who opposed change; relatives of those immigrants already here, overwhemingly European, had the advantage for the first decade or so. If any law needed a sunset clause, that was it.

    Also, remember that the act didn't apply to Western Hemisphere countries. Blame for that rise goes elsewhere.
    , @ben tillman

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”. It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.
     
    "It was supposed...." "There was no intention"? Three-plus billion humans and not a one of them intended to make America non-white through immigration?

    It was supposed that America would remain 80-85% white? Supposed by whom?

    Those who spent forty years pushing the bill most certainly did not suppose that. Anyone who gave it a reasonable amount of thought would know that the world's poor would flock to the pot of gold that Americans had built. One is presumed to intend the natural and probable consequences of his acts; moreover, we know from other sources that this consequence was in fact desired by the group that fought so tirelessly for the change in the law.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican

    No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60’s, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable “others” to move in & gain citizenship.
     
    Bullshit. One doesn’t have to perfectly predict a precise ‘parade of horrors’ to know trouble is coming if not thwarted. In fact, the danger of most of what you write above was foreseen, in works influential and popular:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rising_Tide_of_Color_Against_White_World-Supremacy


    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 …
     

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites.
     
    “Civilized” in the above sense according to who? You? What could be more civilized than a pro-Anglo-Saxon establishment keeping out “wretched refuse” and thwarting the boosters of said refuse?

    Ah, but we know who had a problem with that, and who tirelessly, over decades, conspired to engineer your cited allegedly innocent “simple sign”:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-the-subway-why-new-york-city-is-so-hard-hit/#comment-3829305

    The conspiracy (see bullet-point definition below) ride never ends:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-is-philadelphia-not-much-like-new-york-city/#comment-3827518 (#239)


    a cartoon “ideology” of the New Left …

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60’s. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, “planned”; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions
     

    No. Heavy toxic cultural “viral load” can be dangerous to otherwise robust societies. One thing that gets rediscovered from time to time: Some groups are correctly identified as incorrigible, relentless “super-spreaders” and one day, for no reason at all, “Here there is no why.” Cue the sad violin soundtrack.

    New Oxford American Dictionary:


    conspire |kənˈspīr|
    verb [ no obj. ]

    make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act: they conspired against him | they deny conspiring to defraud the Internal Revenue Service.

    (((of events or circumstances))) seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment: everything conspires to exacerbate the situation.

    ORIGIN late Middle English: from Old French conspirer, from Latin ‘agree, plot,’ from con- ‘together with’ + spirare ‘breathe.’
     

    In short: If underminers and schemers are breathing together (i.e., communicating) they are by definition conspiring: A conspiracy need not be totally secret (as conspiracy ‘debunkers’ would attempt to claim), it merely needs to be nefarious, deceptive, and concerted.

    Thus the Hart-Cellar Act (along with similar post-1924 acts), qualifies as being one result of a long-running conspiracy.

  251. Ed says:
    @Anonymous
    Well, Octavian learned one great lesson from the life of Caesar, which was to never forgive your opponents, but to destroy them without mercy. He even had Cleopatra's children killed because they might have opposed him in future. This policy clearly served him well as he died in his bed, unlike his uncle.

    Cleopatra’s children weren’t killed just the one by Caesar. The ones by Antony were taken to Rome to be raised by his Augustus’s sister, who was also Antony’s wife. I believe these children all grew into adulthood with one or two being married into Mediterranean/African royalty.

    He died in his bed for sure whether his demise was hastened by his wife, ancient Roman historians wrote of rumors accusing her of poisoning him, we’ll never know.

  252. @utu
    "Even in Inner Circle(s), things go wrong." - Frequently used argument that failures and setbacks imply that the inner party does not exist. It is used against the simpleminded 'conspiracy theorists' whose default position is that the inner party must be omnipotent and omniscient.

    https://www.maurizioblondet.it/eparina-funziona-scoperta-del-genio-italico-e-il-suo-contrario/

    Can’t make the links work to access medical paper, tho. At this point in medicine’s history, we should be able to have available treatments.. vaccines can then come leisurely.

  253. @utu
    "..identify who was pulling the strings behind [...] TR" - whoever did not want the incumbent Republican President William Howard Taft to be reelected.

    Who could it be who had a falling out with Taft around 1910 and decided he wanted to get back in the spotlight?

    Obviously, it couldn’t have been Teddy Roosevelt himself, that personality-less cipher. It must have some shadowy behind the scenes figures who made TR, with his complete lack of ego and will, dance to their mysterious tune.

    • LOL: Sean
    • Replies: @Anonymous

    Obviously, it couldn’t have been Teddy Roosevelt himself, that personality-less cipher. It must have some shadowy behind the scenes figures who made TR, with his complete lack of ego and will, dance to their mysterious tune.
     
    The man pulling the strings behind TR around 1910 was George Walbridge Perkins, one of JP Morgan's righthand men. Perkins drafted the Bull Moose Platform for TR, the substance of which was: rationalization of industry, not diffusion or rearrangement, but cementing the trusts as they were and helping the "good" ones. The platform had no gripe with consolidation; rather the gripe was with competition from SMEs (small and medium sized enterprises competing against the large co's and trusts), thus rationalization. Fake populism. TR's Bull Moose campaign was basically astroturfed fake populism.
  254. Teddy Roosevelt. My favorite President;

    TAFT
    TAFT
    what is it, Mr. President
    COME INTO MY OFFICE
    I WANT TO BENCH PRESS SOMETHING
    why don’t you bench press your presidential desk
    I ALREADY BENCH PRESSED IT
    sir, I don’t want to be bench pressed
    AM I THE PRESIDENT OR AREN’T I
    IF I WANT TO BENCH PRESS THE MEN IN MY CABINET
    IT’S FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION
    AND YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE YOUR COUNTRY
    NOW GET IN HERE AND ASSUME THE POSITION
    yes, sir
    I’LL BENCH PRESS ANY AMERICAN I WANT
    yes, sir

    TAFT
    GET IN HERE THIS INSTANT
    THE BOYS IN THE WAR DEPARTMENT ARE LETTING ME USE THEM TO RECREATE THE BATTLE OF SAN JUAN HILL
    AND WE NEED YOU TO PLAY SAN JUAN HILL

    TAFT
    what is it
    DO WE OWN THE PHILIPPINES
    do we what
    DO WE HAVE IT YET
    no, sir
    I believe the Filipinos have it
    WELL I WANT IT
    how do you propose to get it
    I PROPOSE TO STRIKE ANY MAN WHO TRIES TO STOP ME SOUNDLY IN THE FACE IS HOW
    I PROPOSE TO ACQUIRE IT THROUGH THE STRATEGIC USE OF COLD BATHS, STRENUOUS MOUNTAIN HIKES, AND BARE-KNUCKLE BOXING
    I PROPOSE TO RIDE YOU LIKE A PONY ALL THE WAY TO MANILA
    please don’t ride me like a pony, sir
    IF YOU LET ME RIDE YOU LIKE A PONY
    I SHALL APPOINT YOU SUPREME COURT JUSTICE
    sir, you promised me that last Christmas
    after you used me as a footstool during the White House reception
    I MEAN IT THIS TIME
    NOW OPEN YOUR MOUTH SO I CAN GET THIS BRIDLE FITTED

    TAFT
    TAFT
    WAKE UP YOU WALRUS
    what is it
    THERE’S A WAR ON AND YOU DIDN’T TELL ME
    where’s a war
    we’re not at war
    NOT HERE, YOU BLOATED MUSTACHE-HOLDER
    IN RUSSIA
    I
    yes
    there is a war in Russia
    WELL I’M GOING THERE TO PUT A STOP TO IT
    their war is with the Japanese, Mr. President
    it’s not with us
    IF I CAN’T HAVE A WAR
    YOU CAN BE DAMNED SURE THE RUSSIANS AND THE JAPANESE AREN’T GOING TO HAVE ONE
    wait a minute and I’ll send someone from the State Department with you
    TOO LATE, TAFT
    I’M ALREADY ON MY WAY
    GOING TO DO LUNGES ACROSS THE ATLANTIC
    SHOULD BE IN MOSCOW BY NOON
    I’LL WIRE WHEN I GET THERE

    TAFT HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS STANDARD OIL BUSINESS
    yes, sir
    THEY’RE A MONOPOLY
    yes, sir
    THAT ISN’T SPORTING AT ALL
    no, sir
    BRING ME STANDARD OIL
    I’M GOING TO PUNCH IT MANFULLY IN THE FACE
    sir, Standard Oil is a trust, not a person
    you can’t punch a trust in the face
    OH CAN’T I
    TAFT, WATCH ME BECOME THE FIRST MAN TO PUNCH A TRUST IN THE FACE
    THEN WRITE IT DOWN
    IN YOUR OFFICIAL WHITE HOUSE NOTES
    “TODAY THE PRESIDENT PUNCHED A TRUST IN THE FACE”
    all right
    “QUITE SOUNDLY TOO”
    I will
    “WITH AN EXCELLENT RIGHT UPPER CROSS”
    yes, sir
    “CAN’T PUNCH A TRUST IN THE FACE”
    FORSOOTH
    I’M THE PRESIDENT
    I CAN PUNCH ANYTHING

    TAFT WHAT’S GOING ON
    WHY ARE THESE BOYS TAKING MY THINGS OUT OF THE OFFICE
    you’re not the President anymore, sir
    WHY ON EARTH NOT
    you’ve already served two terms
    we had another election
    WELL WHO IS THE PRESIDENT NOW
    I am, sir
    WHAT
    YOU SWOLLEN CARAPACE
    YOU’VE NEVER EVEN RIDDEN A BEAR
    NOR STRUCK A MOUNTAIN
    NOR EATEN A LIVE HORSE WHILE RIDING ON THE BACK OF A DIFFERENT HORSE
    HOW CAN YOU BE PRESIDENT, YOU HUNK OF UNDERCOOKED LIVER
    I am the President now
    and I’m afraid you’re in my office
    and I’ll have to ask you to leave
    WELL I
    I’M GOING TO GO TO AFRICA AND KILL EVERYTHING I SEE THERE

    • LOL: Hibernian
  255. @anon
    I wonder about that.Wilson was a nobody when Reagan was born [Feb. 1911] so was he named after another Wilson or was the name added in later?
  256. Anon[922] • Disclaimer says:

    Sometimes you just get lucky.

    Trump was cruising along, great economy, best unemployment numbers for blacks and hispanics in our history, no major wars with Russia, China, or a new one in the middle east, fracking holding-oil-prices down. The two pushes for impeachment had failed, and Republicans seemed to have a chance at the House and Senate in 20.

    Then Wuhan. Its easy to see why so many conservatives are wont to blame this new coronavirus first noted officially in China the result of a Deep State machination. Its entirely “pozzible” however that this is just a case of the Trump-hating Deep Staters getting lucky.

    I will note one thing personally however: Id feel safer in this world in John Brennan (and a few of his CIA acolytes), James Woosley, former NSA director Michael Hayden, Bill Gates, and especially George Soros were all caught in some illegalities and jailed until at least February of 2025. Some of these are too Trump-deranged to be safe and sane. The two billionaires have been fooling with things like viruses and socio-economic unrest that it out not be legal to privately tinker with.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    'Then Wuhan. Its easy to see why so many conservatives are wont to blame this new coronavirus first noted officially in China the result of a Deep State machination. Its entirely “pozzible” however that this is just a case of the Trump-hating Deep Staters getting lucky.'

    No. Democratic governors jumped on the benign "boomer remover" kungflu as pretext to destroy our President's economic miracle. Muh Russia and fakepeachmint failed, and Hand-some Joe is stage-three Alzheimer's, so CoronaHoax is Plan C.
  257. @Mr McKenna
    Are there any billionaires not married to shiksehs at this point?

    What’s the point of being a billionaire if you don’t have a trophy wife to show off? Except for cucked idiots like Bill Gates, Zuckerberg and Bezos.
    Very few American Jewessses have good looks, unlike Israeli women. And they have horrible personalities.

  258. Anyway, Disney has lost billions by ruining the Star Wars franchise, and were busy ruining the MCU as well, so I think they were in trouble well before covid-19.
    Good thing, because Disney is pure garbage.

  259. @R.G. Camara
    I believe in a lot of conspiracies. But outside of a brain washing job by MKULTRA---of which we have no proof, sadly, since the CIA burned the files---the most viable theory is still that rabid communist Oswald acted alone in murdering the anti-communist Kennedy.

    You’re the one that’s had the brain washing job bud.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    If you can offer one more plausible and falsifiable theory to the alternative, please do so.

    Until then, you're just whistling Dixie, son. Because none of you Oswald Denialists ever offer a plausible and falsifiable alternative theory, feeling free to run wild with esoteric fantasy stories that are as unavailing and untenable as the Shakespeare Denialists nonsense.

    You've had 60 years. Give us an alternative, detailed description of the who, what, when, where, why, and how. Until then, Oswald is the only actor(s) who had motive, means, and opportunity.
  260. @Anonymous
    Token Chinese characters are appearing with ever greater frequency in big budget Hollywood pictures. I don't know why this is being done. Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America. If they want to see a bunch of Chinese people they'll just watch their own national movies.

    Or is there some quota system in place requiring a film to have a certain % of Chinese principal characters to get shown in China?

    Eat it up. British films like ‘Bridge over the River Kwai’ and ‘The Great Escape’ had American characters inserted in them, now your new Chinese masters do the same to you.

    • Replies: @Raz
    This kind of thing has been SOP to appeal to more audiences and broaden interest. WW II Submarine movie U-571 made in the year 2000 added a black sailer integral to the movie.
    , @Mr. Anon

    British films like ‘Bridge over the River Kwai’ and ‘The Great Escape’ had American characters inserted in them, now your new Chinese masters do the same to you.
     
    I believe those were both American backed films, and the addition of big-name american actors was undoubtedly done to make them more bankable in the american market. That said, the american film-going generation of the 50s and 60s (and even 70s) was perfectly happy to go see a big-budget movie with a mostly foreign cast.

    And William Holden's character in Bridge on the River Kwai (a damned near perfect movie) fit in the story well as a foil to Alec Guinness and Jack Hawkins.

    In The Great Escape (I realize that the events it was based on involved only British flyers), at least James Garner was supposed to be in the RAF Eagle Squadron, and James Coburn was playing an Australian. The casting of Steve McQueen (hey, watch me do my own motorcycle stunts) was indeed obnoxious - I'll grant you that. McQueen was a well-known prima-donna.

    And you are right: U-571 was a crappy movie.

  261. @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.

    Bernard Baruch for FDR.

    Anyway it is more a case of promoting like minded people, look at Trump, there was no one to implement his policies anyway. As Kevin MacDonald has said imagine what a patriotic billionaire throwing some money around like Soros does could do, a few think tanks, a few politicians bankrolled and a media empire to reach the masses and provide publicity for the right people.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @ Anyway it is more a case of promoting like minded people,

    Agree. Or weak-minded, who will absorb the required taking points and make them their own.

    Anyway, there doesn’t have to be only one inner circle. It’s a big world. More than one cluster of rich men can be vying for control of our brave new world. Some can have short term economic incentives (war/election). Some can be driven by hate (Soros). Some can have an ideology (population control). The question is whether a mixture of the above can create a transgenerational ideology?
  262. @anon
    I wonder about that.Wilson was a nobody when Reagan was born [Feb. 1911] so was he named after another Wilson or was the name added in later?

    Wilson would be Colonel House.

    TR’s ego was his weak spot, massage it and propose to fund his campaign and away you go. Same with Ross Perot, who knows how much influence Morton Myerson had on his decision to run.

    https://www.jns.org/remembering-ross-perots-relationship-with-israel-and-the-amreican-jewish-community/

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Wilson had Colonel House, but they both had Sir William Wiseman, who appealed to their Anglophilia and not-so-latent snobbery.
    Look him up: probably the most important éminence grise of the early 20th century.
  263. There’s no formal inner party. There are networks of connections, some of which are more useful than others. A secondhand bookstore I used to patronize would let me know when pulp fantasy novels were in. Richard Burr was in on a secret briefing about COVID-19 and he got to dump his stocks before the crash. The rest is commentary.

  264. @LondonBob
    Eat it up. British films like 'Bridge over the River Kwai' and 'The Great Escape' had American characters inserted in them, now your new Chinese masters do the same to you.

    This kind of thing has been SOP to appeal to more audiences and broaden interest. WW II Submarine movie U-571 made in the year 2000 added a black sailer integral to the movie.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    U571 is a lot worse than just adding a black sailer, or rather black sailor. The entire event is fictitious but based on an actual historical event, when the Royal Navy captured an enigma machine before the US entered the war. Of course it also includes the obligatory fake modern Hollywood scene of Germans randomly massacring allied soldiers, a distinctly rare occurrence.
  265. @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.

    TR? Elihu Root.

    For FDR, check into Harry Hopkins, a.k.a. “Harry the Hop.”

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Except that Harry Hopkins was a dynamic younger executive who was famously FDR's go-to guy for getting things done. It's like calling Henry Kissinger the eminence grise behind Richard Nixon.
  266. @Mr. Anon
    That makes the Millenials look even worse than the Boomers.

    If they're complaining that Boomers are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent the COVID-19 apocalypse, wait until their kids (assuming they have any) start complaining that they (Millenials) are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent some bogus climate-change apocalypse.

    Fate has revenge in store for you - your own children.

    Devolution to intergenerational cannibalism. Shortsightedness and lack of imagination. Or perhaps they accept the fate that they will be eaten by their children even sooner.

    There was a play by Edmund Morris “The Wooden Dish” (1956) that drew the conclusion of it to the logical end.

  267. @guest
    TR? Elihu Root.

    For FDR, check into Harry Hopkins, a.k.a. "Harry the Hop."

    Except that Harry Hopkins was a dynamic younger executive who was famously FDR’s go-to guy for getting things done. It’s like calling Henry Kissinger the eminence grise behind Richard Nixon.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Hibernian

    It’s like calling Henry Kissinger the eminence grise behind Richard Nixon.
     
    Wasn't he, in foreign policy anyway?
  268. “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country….. If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it.” — Edward Bernays

    By the way, if you like New World Order type stuff, this is a good website, however appalling its design. And there used to be a lot more free content on it, but oh well.

    http://tomatobubble.com/index.html

  269. @Peter Akuleyev
    Julius Caesar playing the whole World like a puppeteer and molding it in his image and essentially creating the Imperial System that would rule the Western World for 400 years

    You are confusing Julius with Octavian/Augustus. Julius is probably one of the most overrated renowned historic figures in terms of long term influence, other than the fact that he paved the way for Augustus.

    Of course, even at the time the Romans had very little direct influence over Persia, India and Central Asia - regions of which they were certainly aware.

    Genghis Khan is really sui generis in terms of a single individual being able to impose his will on the the course of development of the civilizations comprising most of the contemporary population of the planet. Not even Alexander comes close.

    Julius is probably one of the most overrated renowned historic figures in terms of long term influence, other than the fact that he paved the way for Augustus.

    True. Julius destroyed the Republic but didn’t live to establish the next big thing — which Augustus did.

    I guess it helps your renoun to write popular books about your exploits.

  270. Anon[922] • Disclaimer says:

    Watch me light google up:

    What big investors/holding companies/funds have shorted or dumped Disney/ABC or movie theaters/resturaunts/events companies in the past 2-3 years?

    If ya’ find sumpin’, maybe they had an inkling.
    My guess is there probably isn’t. Sometimes unfortunate things happen. If Wuhan was artificially created however, dont get me wrong: I hope any perpetrator faces discovery, prosecution, and execution. Fair trial and everything.

  271. Anonymous[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "while Deplorables, small business owners, middle-class gets relegated to the ghetto living and a 3rd world lifestyle."

    I didn't realize making 100K to 400K per year, living in a nice home with sportsball on three 4K tv's, with two cars and a boat in the driveway, along with modest savings constitutes "ghetto living".

    The more you know...

    You have claimed you are for a reduction of immigration. Yet here you attack someone who is on your side on this issue. Why? We’re you lying when you said you want immigration reduced or have you changed your mind?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "You have claimed you are for a reduction of immigration."

    I remain in that camp.

    "Yet here you attack someone who is on your side on this issue. Why?"

    Not attacking, just calling into question the narrative there is this "Inner Party" seemingly pulling the strings. Do you believe in the Elitist-Jewish Cabal boogeyman?
  272. Well, as others have already pointed out in this thread, there’s a sharp difference between disbelieving in the existence of an “inner party elite” and disbelieving in the existence of an extremely (or even highly) competent “inner party elite.”

    Take the Coronavirus outbreak. By January, the front pages of all our newspapers were filled with stories about a deadly new epidemic in China, leading the Chinese government to lock down a city of 11M, then an entire provice of 60M, then something like 700M Chinese nationwide, shutting down their entire economy. The quarantine was probably 1000x larger than anything ever previously done in human history. Unless you believe the PRC government had gone insane, they clearly believed they were facing an extremely dangerous disease.

    But America’s public political and media elites largely ignored the whole issue, being focused on impeachment-nonsense. Presumably, they just said to themselves “Well, we mostly ignored SARS and MERS, and those deadly diseases never got a foothold here, so if we just ignore SARS-2, it will probably also go away.”

    But suppose an “inner party elite” existed. Is there any particular reason to believe that it is any more *competent* than those public political and media elites? Probably not. So they probably would have believed the same things and reacted in the same way.

    After all, if America has an “inner party elite,” probably most other major countries in modern history have had such elites as well. And I don’t get the sense that every country in modern history has been brilliantly or competently run.

    Is a monarch necessarily so much smarter and more competent than the average small businessman? Are gangsters so much smarter than grocers?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    After all, if America has an “inner party elite,” probably most other major countries in modern history have had such elites as well. And I don’t get the sense that every country in modern history has been brilliantly or competently run.
     
    Actually, a very good example of my argument just came to mind...

    Of all the major modern countries, I think the one with the strongest evidence of having been controlled for decades by a semi-secretive "inner party elite" is Italy. Just consider all the nefarious/mysterious connections between Masonic Lodges, Mafiosa, top Christian Democratic leaders, and Operation Gladio terrorists.

    Are people claiming that Italy was a brilliantly-run country during this period?...
  273. @dearieme
    There is no “Inner Party.”

    Except for the cabal of The Pope, The Queen, The Rothschilds and ... um, the Freemasons. Or do I mean the Jesuits? The Rosicrucians? The Illuminati? It's all so confusing.

    It's much simpler if you are a Dem because then it's all a conspiracy of Putin and Literally Hitler.

    You’re close:

  274. @Steve Sailer
    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.

    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.

    Well, based upon the Venona Decrypts, I think there’s a pretty good case that Stalin’s agents were pulling the strings behind the FDR Administration, at least in its last couple of years…

    • Agree: ben tillman
    • Replies: @utu
    But there were other forces at work as well. FDR was persuade to jettison Henry Wallace in 1944 which probably did not make Stalin happy.

    A powerful group of party leaders tried to persuade Roosevelt to not keep Wallace as Vice President. Ferrell calls this process "a veritable conspiracy."

    Finally the group decided on Truman, but this decision was secondary to the goal of not nominating Wallace. By late spring 1944, the group had succeeded in turning Roosevelt against Wallace, but the president did not tell Wallace directly and still refused to endorse anybody other than him. In May the president sent Wallace on a trip to China and the Soviet Union, probably with the intention to get him out of the country at an inconvenient time and to obstruct his campaign. - Wiki
     
    , @JohnnyWalker123
    Do you have any views on the strange death of Stalin?

    Was it in any way related to the Doctors' plot and a secret backroom deal made by Khruschev?
    , @hhsiii
    Actually the Soviet influence in the FDR White House was pathetic. People make way more of what’s in Venona decrypts than is really there. The bigger deal was that FDR and others were pretty much fellow travelers themselves, not that a few were card carrying.
    , @nebulafox
    I wouldn't go as far to say as they controlled US policy, but the depth of Soviet intelligence penetration in 1930s/1940s DC-and we're not talking low-level stuff here, highest reaches of the US government-is pretty stunning in hindsight. How did Truman and Eisenhower realize this and change that? I know that they did: by the 1950s, Soviet intelligence in the US was under massive stress and struggling to survive. But how did they go about it?

    (Ironically, McCarthy probably saved them from complete destruction by going wildly overboard and eliciting public backlash. But the damage was done. Even to this day, for all their skill in intelligence work, the reason MSM theories on Russian influence are laughable is that they just never recovered in terms of actual political influence on the US. Their reach on the Hill is pathetic compared to the Chinese or Israelis.)

  275. This paranoid conspiratorial style of thinking is simply- silly. One need not read thick & valuable books- just listen to JFK tapes during Cuban missile crisis, conversations between JFK & RFK, Eisenhower, Truman, MacArthur….., then numerous Nixon tapes, then something from Eisenhower & Reagan.

    To think these guys took orders from anyone else is beyond belief.

    And to imagine that Jefferson, Lincoln, Grant, Roosevelt, Wilson, Hoover, FDR, Truman… had their “handlers” is just absurd.

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
    I understand what you are saying, all of us are in charge of our own destinies every once in a while, including people like Kennedy and Reagan.

    But ..... In my lifetime, I have had friends who greatly respected, among our contemporaries ....
    Kennedy, whose Svengali was his relatively unknown bootlegger and lobotomy-ordering tyrant father---
    Reagan, an uxorious (but well-read and, as far as it goes, a good man) little man who fired people because his wife's astrologer told him to (can you imagine a self-respecting male American doing that? ---- I can't)
    Obama, who was probably blackmailed by several of his friends from his choom and sexually exploratory years
    the old Bush, who was afraid of his harridan wife, almost as much as Ahab was afraid of Jezebel, or even worse, almost as the Tsar was afraid of Rasputin.

    those are the presidents,
    who we all know lot about because we are Americans.

    I am not a cynic. Let us look to the great military leaders of WWII.

    I know more than I ever wanted to about Krulak, Nimitz, Halsey, Spruance, Truscott, Patton, Eisenhower, Marshall, Mischer, Leahy, Arnold, and the rest of the crew.

    I guarantee you I do not for a moment think any of them ever made a fateful decision in which they did not personally believe. There is one exception, Nimitz went balls to the wall on Midway because he believed that some little brainy guy was right about Jap intercepts (the Greg Cochran of the Naval Intelligence Service of the day) and risked it all based on advice from someone he thought was more intelligent than himself, someone who understood the Japs in a way he never could (Nimitz was right, on that occasion but he could have been wrong)

    But you have to be a mere child to think that people like Bush and Kennedy and Obama were not more than willing to be puppets. Reagan had enough testosterone to be tempted not to be a puppet, but ....
    let's just say, we all know what he was.

    , @Manfred Arcane
    This style of thinking is popular on the Internet because it gives ego balm to a certain type of comments-section dweller. If all the powerful and accomplished people out there are really just the stupid tools of super-intelligent, shadowy, anonymous puppet-masters, then the shadowy and anonymous comments-section dweller doesn't have to feel humbled by their achievements--the whole world is really run by people like him, and he doesn't have to learn how to interact with people or master a skill or profession in order to reach the top: he too can become a puppet-master, since obviously he's already super-intelligent.
  276. @Ron Unz
    Well, as others have already pointed out in this thread, there's a sharp difference between disbelieving in the existence of an "inner party elite" and disbelieving in the existence of an extremely (or even highly) competent "inner party elite."

    Take the Coronavirus outbreak. By January, the front pages of all our newspapers were filled with stories about a deadly new epidemic in China, leading the Chinese government to lock down a city of 11M, then an entire provice of 60M, then something like 700M Chinese nationwide, shutting down their entire economy. The quarantine was probably 1000x larger than anything ever previously done in human history. Unless you believe the PRC government had gone insane, they clearly believed they were facing an extremely dangerous disease.

    But America's public political and media elites largely ignored the whole issue, being focused on impeachment-nonsense. Presumably, they just said to themselves "Well, we mostly ignored SARS and MERS, and those deadly diseases never got a foothold here, so if we just ignore SARS-2, it will probably also go away."

    But suppose an "inner party elite" existed. Is there any particular reason to believe that it is any more *competent* than those public political and media elites? Probably not. So they probably would have believed the same things and reacted in the same way.

    After all, if America has an "inner party elite," probably most other major countries in modern history have had such elites as well. And I don't get the sense that every country in modern history has been brilliantly or competently run.

    Is a monarch necessarily so much smarter and more competent than the average small businessman? Are gangsters so much smarter than grocers?

    After all, if America has an “inner party elite,” probably most other major countries in modern history have had such elites as well. And I don’t get the sense that every country in modern history has been brilliantly or competently run.

    Actually, a very good example of my argument just came to mind…

    Of all the major modern countries, I think the one with the strongest evidence of having been controlled for decades by a semi-secretive “inner party elite” is Italy. Just consider all the nefarious/mysterious connections between Masonic Lodges, Mafiosa, top Christian Democratic leaders, and Operation Gladio terrorists.

    Are people claiming that Italy was a brilliantly-run country during this period?…

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Turkey coined the term "deep state" for a reason.

    I've been giving myself a crash introduction to Ottoman history lately: utterly fascinating stuff. Some of those court grises would have impressed Machiavelli himself.

    , @Morton's toes
    Have you seen those articles where the 10 richest families in Florence in 1550 are the 10 richest families in Florence in 2020?

    If you are on the top of the pyramid you think the system is working pretty OK. I have never seen an exception to this. I also have never seen a black swan but wikipedia informs me they be.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Black_swan_jan09.jpg/1280px-Black_swan_jan09.jpg
    , @petit bourgeois
    You're absolutely correct. Sometimes a conspiracy theory turns out to be a straight up conspiracy, such as what happened in Italy, P2 and Licio Gelli:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

    This comment thread is making my brain hurt!

  277. @Rosie

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     
    I don't think this follows at all. Elites can't and don't need to control every unfolding event. They just have to control the narrative on lessons to be learned from those events, and continue to push incrementally for trends they desire, sometimes by simply obstructing efforts to change or reverse them.

    Woah, I agree with Rosie.

    Yes, people talk about “conspiracy theories” as if there was this small group of people in a dark room who control everything that happens, obviously it’s not like that, such control is impossible for human beings, but that doesn’t mean that the elites do not have a lot of influence and power and use it for their own ends.

    The best example is immigration – by changes in the law and massive propaganda, Western peoples have been led to accept as normal their own population replacement, since 1965. A stupefying change. Which happened because a small group of people – certainly not the majority – decided it this way.

    Or “gay marriage”. Where were the masses clamouring for “gay marriage” before the 1990s? Nowhere. The idea wasn’t even considered by anyone. And yet now after massive brainwashing it is difficult to find anyone who even questions the concept. Again, a small group of people – we might even say “a cabal” – so decided. And so it was done.

    In the end, “conspiracy theory” is basically just anything that goes against or is different from what the mass media tells. That’s the definition, really. So we are all conspiracy theorists. It’s just that some theories are better than others.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "The best example is immigration – by changes in the law and massive propaganda, Western peoples have been led to accept as normal their own population replacement, since 1965."

    "Western peoples" is your characterization. I would say the majority of Americans view themselves not in that vein. Moreover, it wasn't propaganda. More like individuals making their own decisions based on their experiences and preferences, which is in direct opposition to your own world view. Which is fine, by the way.

    In addition, I would also venture to say that normies generally do not take hold of this "population replacement" theory. But, for the sake of argument, let's dig a bit deeper here on that point. You do realize that **nativists, aka WASPS, aka Heritage Americans**, believed that their own existence was being jeopardized in the late 1800's/early 1900's by waves of alien peoples (see Eastern/Southern Europe). Is your own heritage of Italian, Greek, Russian, or Polish stock, for example? If yes, well, your ancestors were other than welcome here. Why, you may ask? They were other than capable of understanding the values of "western peoples", according to nativist propaganda of the time period.

    Would you be of the mindset that they** were correct in their assessment? Why?
  278. @Stephen Dodge
    If someone is "inner circle" and you know their name and know what they stand for, or what they claim to stand for, they are not really inner circle.

    Think of it like this - maybe Bill Gates, Soros, the Bushes, most people running important institutions, are to the real inner circle what the Dennis Rodmans of the world are to the Michael Jordans of the world (since we are talking about China flunkies tonight....) ----

    and I do not think that one in a million people, even on a conspiracy-heavy website like the Utz review, could name more than one or two of the Michael Jordans of the real inner circles. I mean, if you can name them, and then explain why they actually are sort of incompetent, and are not bright, all the more power to you (to use an awful expression, but I am expressing a very sobering and unpleasant thought, at least from the point of view of this world) --- but you probably can't, amirite

    Think of it another way. Make up your own analogy. Include in your analogy the premise that there are people with influence who know how to protect themselves from being the objects of conspiracy theories. Maybe that is part of their skill set.

    Nimitz and King had it easy figuring out the Japanese power structure. Assuming they ever did, and did not win simply by having their countrymen build many many ships and many many planes

    I think it’s generally the other way around. With some exceptions, the people with large fortunes are generally well known, and they’re the ones with the power. Despite being well known, they’re protected by their large country estates and security forces. Some of them are publicity averse, but most, because of their egos, are not. The unknown or at least little known players are fixers who work fr the rich/powerful. This obviously doesn’t include elected officials, cabinet level appointed officials, or even high level non-cabinet appointed officials such as White House Chief of Staff.

  279. @Ron Unz

    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.
     
    Well, based upon the Venona Decrypts, I think there's a pretty good case that Stalin's agents were pulling the strings behind the FDR Administration, at least in its last couple of years...

    But there were other forces at work as well. FDR was persuade to jettison Henry Wallace in 1944 which probably did not make Stalin happy.

    A powerful group of party leaders tried to persuade Roosevelt to not keep Wallace as Vice President. Ferrell calls this process “a veritable conspiracy.”

    Finally the group decided on Truman, but this decision was secondary to the goal of not nominating Wallace. By late spring 1944, the group had succeeded in turning Roosevelt against Wallace, but the president did not tell Wallace directly and still refused to endorse anybody other than him. In May the president sent Wallace on a trip to China and the Soviet Union, probably with the intention to get him out of the country at an inconvenient time and to obstruct his campaign. – Wiki

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    I may be wrong, but I gather Eleanor Roosevelt was one of the people who wanted to get rid of Henry Wallace. She may have had some influence on her husband.

    It is interesting to see what the Kennedy family thought of Wallace. When JFK Jr was alive he had a magazine called George. Once George Magazine had an article about the worst VPs in American history, with Aaron Burr taking the low spot, of course. Wallace was ranked not far above Burr.
  280. @Steve Sailer
    Except that Harry Hopkins was a dynamic younger executive who was famously FDR's go-to guy for getting things done. It's like calling Henry Kissinger the eminence grise behind Richard Nixon.

    It’s like calling Henry Kissinger the eminence grise behind Richard Nixon.

    Wasn’t he, in foreign policy anyway?

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    No. For the majority of his Presidency, it was Nixon's plans, Kissinger's implementation.

    The two were not an ideological hive mind, either: Kissinger thought the idea of opening relations with the PRC was insane in 1969, Nixon was far more skeptical of guys like Brandt and shifting away from the Cold War model in Europe than Kissinger was, and in 1973, Kissinger openly defied Nixon's orders to collaborate with the Soviets to forcibly impose peace on the Israelis/Arabs while Nixon was drowning in Watergate and couldn't do anything to stop him.

  281. @dfordoom


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere
     
    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     
    So explain to us how the loss of religiosity (which has been happening gradually for a couple of centuries) is the result of conscious planning.

    And explain to us how the decline in birth rates among the educated (which has been happening gradually for a century or so) is the result of conscious planning.

    Feminism also has its roots in the late 18th century. The loony American variety began in the 19th century as an offshoot of Puritanism. Feminism always attracted women who were not exactly sane or normal. As feminism took off in a big way it attracted more and more mentally unstable women. I can't see any evidence of conscious planning.

    The whole Gay Liberation thing which started the cult of sexual perversion also seemed to be simply a product of the zeitgeist, along with the Sexual Revolution.

    Most of the destructive changes since 1945 appear to have been the completely unplanned consequence of complex economic, political, technological, social and cultural changes. Not conscious planning.

    So explain to us how the loss of religiosity (which has been happening gradually for a couple of centuries) is the result of conscious planning.

    I don’t really see that as the result of conscious planning. Some conscious planning could arguably be somewhat influential, but that one is different from the rest of the list.

    And explain to us how the decline in birth rates among the educated (which has been happening gradually for a century or so) is the result of conscious planning.

    Some of the feminist phenomenon is the result of conscious planning. Feminism is one, though not the only, cause of the decline in birth rates among the educated.

    • Replies: @Anon
    Feminism and the loss of Christian religiosity together explain decline in birth rates. Also the elusiveness of the family wage.

    We are social creatures. Very monkey see and monkey do. If “the culture” silences or downplays the beauty of large families, while at the same time exalting casual sex and earning potential.. men and women will arrive at the “correct” conclusion.

    The attack on Christian institutions (Church, family) and culture has been planned since the French Revolution.
  282. Anon[961] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob
    Bernard Baruch for FDR.

    Anyway it is more a case of promoting like minded people, look at Trump, there was no one to implement his policies anyway. As Kevin MacDonald has said imagine what a patriotic billionaire throwing some money around like Soros does could do, a few think tanks, a few politicians bankrolled and a media empire to reach the masses and provide publicity for the right people.

    @ Anyway it is more a case of promoting like minded people,

    Agree. Or weak-minded, who will absorb the required taking points and make them their own.

    Anyway, there doesn’t have to be only one inner circle. It’s a big world. More than one cluster of rich men can be vying for control of our brave new world. Some can have short term economic incentives (war/election). Some can be driven by hate (Soros). Some can have an ideology (population control). The question is whether a mixture of the above can create a transgenerational ideology?

  283. OT: Sex Change operations are now “Gender Confirmation Surgeries”

  284. @Bardon Kaldian


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people's opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to "make America non-white through immigration". It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60's, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable "others" to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, .... to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon "ideology" of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy...
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    .....

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60's. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, "planned"; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, ...).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”. It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period.

    But the portion in bold is an admission that the change in immigration policy is due to conscious planning because, of course, the norm to which you think the USG was conforming is entirely the result of conscious planning.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    But the portion in bold is an admission that the change in immigration policy is due to conscious planning because, of course, the norm to which you think the USG was conforming is entirely the result of conscious planning.
     
    1. of course that Hart Cellar 65 was consciously planned, but this was just a change in official policy, similar to, say, Nixon's opening toward PR China or US pressure on France, UK & Israel during Suez crisis. That's just politics, nothing conspiratorial about it.

    2. general climate against racism & racial discrimination had permeated the entire world after Hitler's defeat, so that post-1945 world was not friendly at all to any form of racial discrimination (Soviets used it against US re Negro question; then, the de-colonization of Asia & Africa took place during the 50s & the 60s - so, explicit racial discrimination, in the literal sense of the word, was simply not acceptable anymore). There was no conspiracy against white race or anything similar. WW 2 happened, Nazi excesses were exposed & racialist policies were not looked upon favorably by the vast majority of white peoples.
  285. Anon[961] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    So explain to us how the loss of religiosity (which has been happening gradually for a couple of centuries) is the result of conscious planning.
     
    I don't really see that as the result of conscious planning. Some conscious planning could arguably be somewhat influential, but that one is different from the rest of the list.

    And explain to us how the decline in birth rates among the educated (which has been happening gradually for a century or so) is the result of conscious planning.
     
    Some of the feminist phenomenon is the result of conscious planning. Feminism is one, though not the only, cause of the decline in birth rates among the educated.

    Feminism and the loss of Christian religiosity together explain decline in birth rates. Also the elusiveness of the family wage.

    We are social creatures. Very monkey see and monkey do. If “the culture” silences or downplays the beauty of large families, while at the same time exalting casual sex and earning potential.. men and women will arrive at the “correct” conclusion.

    The attack on Christian institutions (Church, family) and culture has been planned since the French Revolution.

  286. @Jack D
    Really I have no idea but I don't get the feeling that Melania is really having the time of her life.

    Really I have no idea but I don’t get the feeling that Melania is really having the time of her life.

    Maybe. But at least she has the good sense not to start some wacky First Lady crusade like reforming school lunches.

  287. @dfordoom

    This story of the two-faced Chinese misleading naive Western governments shows that the Western governments try to shift the blame in order to escape blame for what they didn’t do between January 23 and the actual outbreak.
     
    Yes. It's in the nature of western politics that when something bad happens the first priority is to find someone else to blame.

    Yes. It’s in the nature of western politicshuman beings that when something bad happens the first priority is to find someone else to blame.

    FIFY

    P.S. If you are going to call yourself dfordoom you need to up your doom game ; )

  288. @Anonymous
    Token Chinese characters are appearing with ever greater frequency in big budget Hollywood pictures. I don't know why this is being done. Chinese watch American movies because they want to see Americans (i.e. white people) doing American things in America. If they want to see a bunch of Chinese people they'll just watch their own national movies.

    Or is there some quota system in place requiring a film to have a certain % of Chinese principal characters to get shown in China?

    Token Chinese characters are appearing with ever greater frequency in big budget Hollywood pictures.

    More than token. The latest Midway film had a lot of Chinese financing and included an extended scene where the Chinese villagers who helped some of Doolittle’s raiders were massacred by the Japanese.

  289. Good catch. I almost bought the entire argument.

    I guess the use of bold letters was a clue. Along with the shame-word “civilized” meaning “we in America are not not like those men pictured in National Geographic who distend a piercing of their lower lip with a wooden pie plate.”

    Followed by clinching the argument with “Period.” Not quite as condescending as the use of “Full stop” to mean the same thing as punctuation with a period, but almost there. Full stop will definitely get you a wedgie from Bob the Dinosaur in the Dilbert cartoon, but “period” could too. https://dilbert.com/search_results?page=2&terms=Bob%20The%20Dinosaur%20Cobol

  290. @Hibernian

    It’s like calling Henry Kissinger the eminence grise behind Richard Nixon.
     
    Wasn't he, in foreign policy anyway?

    No. For the majority of his Presidency, it was Nixon’s plans, Kissinger’s implementation.

    The two were not an ideological hive mind, either: Kissinger thought the idea of opening relations with the PRC was insane in 1969, Nixon was far more skeptical of guys like Brandt and shifting away from the Cold War model in Europe than Kissinger was, and in 1973, Kissinger openly defied Nixon’s orders to collaborate with the Soviets to forcibly impose peace on the Israelis/Arabs while Nixon was drowning in Watergate and couldn’t do anything to stop him.

  291. @Bardon Kaldian


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people's opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to "make America non-white through immigration". It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60's, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable "others" to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, .... to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon "ideology" of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy...
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    .....

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60's. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, "planned"; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, ...).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

    LOL. Non-white immigration increased ten-fold in the world since around 1965 (Not only in the US, in Canada, and in Europe as well, basically in all the developed Western world at roughly the same time) And that was not planned? Just happened “by accident”? Granted, some technological changes also influenced, but to say that there was not a wilful movement to change the demographics of those countries, including the U.S., is very naive.

    “No one has foreseen”.

    It was pretty clear even then. Enoch Powell’s speech is from 1968. Even before that, others were talking about “the rising tide of color”. Agreeing or not with them, it’s pretty clear that it was something that was desired, although the reasons are varied (cheap workers, globalization, etc)

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    The classical mistake of post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Non-white immigration, still very small, intensified only due to the collapse of colonialism (for instance, Arabs from Algeria after French lost that war); or because of growth of consumerism which needed cheaper labor force, available only in former colonies or spheres of influence.

    Native working class in Britain, Germany, France, US .. simply would not do things as before. Native workers wanted easier & better life, but only Turks in Germany or Mexicans in the US could provide them with that.

    And Enoch Powell was a failed prophet- where are those rivers of blood? As I've been saying all the time, affluent Western peoples have been gradually losing their fighting spirit & becoming accommodated to a life dominated by failure of nerve. And this (consumerism, hedonism, nihilism, alienation, ..) can come to the end only through- rivers of blood.
    , @Anonymous Jew
    Ideas, including bad ones, spread like viruses between Western Countries. There was definitely a willful movement driven by certain ideas and philosophies (ie postmodernism) but it wasn’t precisely planned with military precision. The level of organization is more analogous to an inner city riot. No one has a memo to rob the Korean liquor store. It’s just where the liquor is.

    I noticed a lot of the Asian and Indian tech workers in my last company spouted some of the same SJW group think. Whether or not they apply it to their own countries is something I probably have should have pushed them on (e.g should China and India also have open borders? Do the have any shared heritage and culture and should it be respected?)
    , @LondonBob
    If you are commenting to here you need to have read 'Culture of Critique', of course overturning the immigration laws of all Western countries was the result of a conspiracy.
  292. @Ron Unz

    After all, if America has an “inner party elite,” probably most other major countries in modern history have had such elites as well. And I don’t get the sense that every country in modern history has been brilliantly or competently run.
     
    Actually, a very good example of my argument just came to mind...

    Of all the major modern countries, I think the one with the strongest evidence of having been controlled for decades by a semi-secretive "inner party elite" is Italy. Just consider all the nefarious/mysterious connections between Masonic Lodges, Mafiosa, top Christian Democratic leaders, and Operation Gladio terrorists.

    Are people claiming that Italy was a brilliantly-run country during this period?...

    Turkey coined the term “deep state” for a reason.

    I’ve been giving myself a crash introduction to Ottoman history lately: utterly fascinating stuff. Some of those court grises would have impressed Machiavelli himself.

  293. @Anonymous
    No, I am not confusing at all. Juluis Caesar was 1,000,000 X greater than his grand-nephew; in fact, Octavian himself would not consider himself as great as Caesar. Roman Emperors are called "Caesar" and not "Octavian" for a reason.

    Caesar was a much greater general than Octavian ever could be. The biggest military defeat in Roman history, the disaster of Teutoborg Wald, happened during Augustus' reign. Caesar conquered Gaul, Helvetia, western Hispania and northwestern Africa. He landed in Britain and pacified the natives. He defeated the Visigoths and then build fortifications along the Rhine to stop them from invading the empire. Those frontiers would remain stable for 400 years.

    Caesar is also one of the greatest Latin prose stylists of all times. His Commentaries on the Gallic and Civil wars are classics of World literature, and studied to this day as models of concision and precision in the use of language. As a jurist, Caesar was rivaling Hortensius, who was one of the Rome's greatest lawyers, when he was only 12 years old. As an orator, he was a match for Cicero, who is considered the greater orator in history.

    He was also a polymath and a man of vision. Highly intelligent and curious, he studied astronomy and reformed the Calendar. The Julian Calendar is the Calendar we use to this day, with very few modifications.

    As a political puppeteer and maipulator, he remains unmatched to this day. He started out as an impoverished politician from a minor Patrician family and ended up outwitting everyone and a de-facto king going up against a system with a 450 year tradition of enormous checks and balances to stop any man from achieving supremacy.

    As a general, he surpassed both Cornelius Scipio and Pompey. As a writer, he is compared to Virgil and Ovid. As a jurist and orator, he matched Cicero. As a stateman, he is so supreme that his name became a synonym for supreme ruler. The words "Kaiser" in German and "Tsar" in Russian come from Caesar.

    And Octavian wouldn't have accomplished anything if Caesar didn't name him his heir. Octavian was a brilliant politician, but his grand-uncle was even greater at that, and Octavian did not have the multi-talents of his grand-uncle.

    Zuckerberg is that you?

  294. Sometimes conspiracies fail.

    Way back in 2019, the more liberal candidate for Wisconsin Supreme Court was favored to win, but more Republicans voted. The more conservative candidate eked out a win.

    This year, the more liberal candidate was favored for a slight victory, but the Republicans saw a chance to use Coronavirus to get an easy win.

    I don’t care what the die-hard GOP talking point parrots say. This looked to me, and to the majority of people in Wisconsin, to be a case where the GOP was endangering lives to steal an election.

    Yes, the vote in heavily Democratic Milwaukee was lowered. Milwaukee county has double the population of Dane county, but fewer voters in 2020. But Milwaukee went 67% Dem, Dane went 81% Dane. Several counties that went GOP in 2016, 2018 and 2019 went Democratic in 2020. The heavily Republican counties still went Republican, but the Democrats did better in 2020 than in earlier elections. For example, Waukesha county is normally 32% Dem, but went 38% Dem this time.

    The moral — voters are taking Coronavirus seriously. They will punish politicians who seem not to take things seriously.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    This is ridiculous and just about proof positive that most conspiracy nonsense is just peddled by low information people who think they know more than they do. I don't even know where to start with that ridiculous post.

    The Republicans and Democrats all filed court filings asking for the election to be held on the proper day. A liberal federal judge agreed. The only people trying to "steal" the election where some liberal groups trying to shamelessly use the kung flu scare as a reason to do away with voter ID. If there was a conspiracy it was your liberals.

    The rest of your post is just misinformation. I suggest you stop reading the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Your IQ will instantly double and we'll get you back in the triple digits.

    For example, turnout in Milwaukee was HIGHER, not lower as you state. The shenanigans in Milwaukee had nothing to do with the Sup. Ct. race and everything to do with Dem. infighting between white liberals trying to screw the African American local candidates by driving down in person voting, since AA's don't mail in vote as much as nice white liberals.

    And the vote was up for the same reason the liberal Sup. Ct. candidate won--there was a contested Dem. presidential primary on the ballot. That's it. Period.

    Other than those factual errors, your post about a two political parties "conspiring" to steal an election completely out in the open with public court filings was totally believable.
    , @Hibernian
    Assuming so many facts not in evidence it isn't even funny.
  295. @Anon
    Sometimes you just get lucky.

    Trump was cruising along, great economy, best unemployment numbers for blacks and hispanics in our history, no major wars with Russia, China, or a new one in the middle east, fracking holding-oil-prices down. The two pushes for impeachment had failed, and Republicans seemed to have a chance at the House and Senate in 20.

    Then Wuhan. Its easy to see why so many conservatives are wont to blame this new coronavirus first noted officially in China the result of a Deep State machination. Its entirely "pozzible" however that this is just a case of the Trump-hating Deep Staters getting lucky.

    I will note one thing personally however: Id feel safer in this world in John Brennan (and a few of his CIA acolytes), James Woosley, former NSA director Michael Hayden, Bill Gates, and especially George Soros were all caught in some illegalities and jailed until at least February of 2025. Some of these are too Trump-deranged to be safe and sane. The two billionaires have been fooling with things like viruses and socio-economic unrest that it out not be legal to privately tinker with.

    ‘Then Wuhan. Its easy to see why so many conservatives are wont to blame this new coronavirus first noted officially in China the result of a Deep State machination. Its entirely “pozzible” however that this is just a case of the Trump-hating Deep Staters getting lucky.’

    No. Democratic governors jumped on the benign “boomer remover” kungflu as pretext to destroy our President’s economic miracle. Muh Russia and fakepeachmint failed, and Hand-some Joe is stage-three Alzheimer’s, so CoronaHoax is Plan C.

  296. @Pericles

    No One Retires Anymore

     

    Then again, the cemeteries are full of indispensable people.

    “… the cemeteries are full of indispensable people.”

    Just curious, do you happen to know the provenance of this saying? The earliest I could find is Chesterton, but I think he was quoting something common by the 1890s.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    Peccavi, I was taught it was George Clemenceau, but honestly, many get credited.

    Clemenceau at least appears to have said the less snappy 'Les cimetières sont pleins de gens irremplaçables, qui ont tous été remplacés.' ("The graveyards are full of ..., all of whom have been replaced.") I think that looks as good a candidate for the quote as any.

  297. @Anon7
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that we didn't / don't know what we were / are doing. In this interview, Dr. Fauci sets the record straight; until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period. And it was on that basis that Fauci told everyone that there would be little to no problem in this country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azcoaFKjAtQ

    As a nation, we need to see China's lying and disinformation as the actions of a deliberate foe. They should be stripped of most favored nation trading status; we should make what we need here, in the United States, or with trusted trading partners.

    This could go on for years, for all we know. We need to weed out the people (illegals) who have no business here, and send them elsewhere. Our economy might well contract to half of its pre-Covid-19 size. Men to rebuild infrastructure and women to rear children at home. Because maybe there's no public school (daycare) for a few years.

    If there is no Inner Party, and no Five Year Plan, maybe we'd better come up with one.

    until well into January, the ChiComs were telling everyone that this disease spreads from animal to human. Period.

    This claim, mysteriously, is never linked to any actual evidence that it is true.

    • Replies: @Carol
    The virus genome has bat and pangolin DNA, apparently. But I think it was a Chinese lab that did the sequencing, so.
    , @Sean

    Sarah Newey, global health security correspondent
    14 JANUARY 2020 • 5:40PM https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/refuses-rule-human-to-human-spread-chinas-mystery-virus-outbreak/
    While clear information about the mysterious virus remains hazy, the WHO said on Tuesday that transmission between humans has not been ruled out. “From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, acting head of WHO's emerging diseases unit.

    But there remains no evidence that health workers – usually the most vulnerable in disease outbreaks – have been infected with the new virus, which is the seventh coronavirus to be detected in humans. While most cause mild flu-like symptoms, two strains are much more severe.
     

    The last mentioned tw0 "strains" are actually SARS and MERS which have mortality around 10% but do not spread between humans easily especially MERS which can spread only by very close contact such as a nurse in a hospital catching it from a patient (MERS was responsible for a tiny 2009 outbreak in a South Korea hospital and not much else), SARS did nothing like what was feared. Anyway, the Chinese did not discharge their duty to the rest of the world, and it was the rest of the word that suffered the worst.

    The information that the WHO got from China was erroneous was, to put it charitably, based on rather clouded thinking, because the number of infections they had ought to have made it obvious that this was a disease spreading easily from person to person. As Ian Lipkin (advisor on the film Contagion) said about the misleading information that China provided to him and other international experts, we will never find out what the Chinese knew and when.


    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/03/09/a-local-guide-to-the-coronavirus

    Then came 9/11, the anthrax scare, and the creation of a national network of so-called biodefense centers.Lipkin ran the one in New York. In 2003, he went to China to help advise the government on its response to sars, an earlier ­coronavirus, and since then he has travelled there every year, as part of an effort to share information and cultivate coöperation. He first heard about covid-19 from a colleague in Guangzhou, a month before the rest of the world became aware of it. “He told me, ‘There’s some weird thing going on in Wuhan,’ ” Lipkin said. “On December 31st, researchers there identified it as a coronavirus but said, ‘It’s not highly transmissible'".
     


    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2020/04/11/passages/Once our new virus starts spreading, mutations that further its spread will be favored by natural selection. That selection is extremely rapid. Virologists make practical use of that rapid selection. For example, they wanted a mouse model of SARS. They did manage to get SARS to infect mice, but it didn’t cause as serious a disease as in humans. They passaged the virus 25 times: infected a mouse, injected a sample from that infected mouse into another mouse, and so on, resulting in a strain that was highly lethal to mice. Natural selection in the course of the infection of a single mouse led to a better-adapted strain of coronavirus: repeated 25 times, it transformed the virus from not too serious to highly lethal.

    In an analogous experiment, researchers took a subtype of an avian influenza virus (one not known to infect humans) and passaged it in ferrets. Originally, it could infect ferrets but was not transmitted noticeably to other ferrets: but after 10 passages. it could – without losing virulence. “At this point, the virus population will experience selection for variants with increased capacity to spread through the human population.” Covid-19 has been not in humans very long and is probably changing fairly rapidly.
     

  298. @RichardTaylor
    It's easier for sociopaths to rise up these days, with the loss of national or racial loyalty in the USA. A long time ago, a CEO had to at least pretend to have loyalty to Americans.

    But now, all he has to do is pledge loyalty to the Ideology of the Day. It could be libertarianism, globalism, Cultural Marxism, progressivism, whateva. It's so much easier and naturally appeals to the glib sociopath. Pledging loyalty to Words is so much easier than a People.

    Many of the old Billionaires had loyalty to Americans ... and yes, even White Americans! These days they repeat fashionable anti-White slogans while living in mega-mansions in gated White enclaves.

    Pretty sure that the top of anything has always been psychos. But the stronger the racial or national loyalty, the greater of a psycho you’d have to be to realize you can just ignore it. So the difference would be that going down the hierarchy, you’d meet normal people earlier.

  299. I think Steve was using Inger as an example because he is a super successful CEO tied into political and other elites, yet was caught with his pants down like everyone else. The idea that the top people in the country are a confederacy of dunces has an exception in Senator Burr being able to understand that COVID-19 was going to crash the stock market despite a briefing with infectious Dr Anthony Fauci in which he told Burr and others there was no need for extra resources and that the danger to the US from the Wuhan disease was very low. He repeated that line later an a press conference later the same day (24 January). Are we to believe Fauci gave Burr a funny handshake?

  300. @Whiskey
    Nope, I'm evil Jooooo #1 for not believing in the Joooooooos! what was the question Muslims/Adolf lovers. I'm also evil for not buying a secret Bill Gates Bilderberger / Fan Brown conspiracy. When Davos men and Xirs shout their hate hate hate from the rooftops. It's not a conspiracy when Obama openly tried to remove Trump with the Cia and FBI.

    Apparently I'm Jewish despite being Catholic. More Catholic than the Pope though that's a low bar.

    I will say Epstein did not kill himself.

    “Nope, I’m evil Jooooo #1 for not believing in the Joooooooos!”

    Who is making that charge in your world?

    “I’m also evil for not buying a secret Bill Gates Bilderberger / Fan Brown conspiracy.”

    Who accuses you of being evil?

    “When Davos men and Xirs shout their hate hate hate from the rooftops.”

    Are you not being overly dramatic here?

    “It’s not a conspiracy when Obama openly tried to remove Trump with the Cia and FBI.”

    Actually, that would be a conspiracy.

    “More Catholic than the Pope though that’s a low bar.”

    How do you definitively know this?

    “I will say Epstein did not kill himself.”

    Now that is something I can buy into.

  301. @Anon
    The more you think about it, the more Disney is in deep shit.

    Cruise ships? Horrible business. You might be able to engineer a plague resistant cruise ship, but it'd take a couple of years in dry dock to retrofit the current ships.

    Movies? More animation I guess. How do you even shoot a movie safely in the Hollywood manner with all the crew? Will stars be required to live in strict protective sequestration for months? Scripts are evaluated for ruining time, location scouting, budgeting, and casting. Now add to that plague safety. And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now. (Not Disney, but I just thought of James Cameron: He just had to get the Avatar sequels perfect, and delayed so much that he now has four movies that cost a trillion dollars that are gonna be sold as DVDs at Wal-Mart.)

    Theme parks: the tight rides. The submarines in the 20,000 Leagues ride at Disney Sea will have to be limited to single couples or families. The whole lines and pre-ride areas can't be fixed by six-feet rules. The spittle-inducing scream rides? The jammed parades and water shows? At the very least the parks will need to cut their max capacity of the parks to a third. I reckon that all rides will be by reservation. Fast Pass machines are themselves a hazard. Maybe a return to an updated ticket book, no E tickets, but preassigned rides at preassigned times? And will there be more problems when vibrant guests are asked to obey more rules, when the right to disobey rules is part of their reparations? Six-foot Sarah viral videos?

    And exhibition in theaters is where the money is made, but streaming is going to be much more popular now.

    Wrong, digital/streaming passed theatrical revenue last year, $48.7 to $42.2 billion.

  302. @ben tillman

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”. It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period.
     

    But the portion in bold is an admission that the change in immigration policy is due to conscious planning because, of course, the norm to which you think the USG was conforming is entirely the result of conscious planning.

    But the portion in bold is an admission that the change in immigration policy is due to conscious planning because, of course, the norm to which you think the USG was conforming is entirely the result of conscious planning.

    1. of course that Hart Cellar 65 was consciously planned, but this was just a change in official policy, similar to, say, Nixon’s opening toward PR China or US pressure on France, UK & Israel during Suez crisis. That’s just politics, nothing conspiratorial about it.

    2. general climate against racism & racial discrimination had permeated the entire world after Hitler’s defeat, so that post-1945 world was not friendly at all to any form of racial discrimination (Soviets used it against US re Negro question; then, the de-colonization of Asia & Africa took place during the 50s & the 60s – so, explicit racial discrimination, in the literal sense of the word, was simply not acceptable anymore). There was no conspiracy against white race or anything similar. WW 2 happened, Nazi excesses were exposed & racialist policies were not looked upon favorably by the vast majority of white peoples.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    1. of course that Hart Cellar 65 was consciously planned, but this was just a change in official policy, similar to, say, Nixon’s opening toward PR China or US pressure on France, UK & Israel during Suez crisis. That’s just politics, nothing conspiratorial about it.
     
    If the statute was planned, then it was planned with the intent to cause the foreseeable results, which means that the foreseeable results -- including the replacement of whites with non-whites -- was also planned. Some of those who desired that result -- like Earl Raab -- have admitted that that was the intended result.


    2. general climate against racism & racial discrimination had permeated the entire world after Hitler’s defeat, so that post-1945 world was not friendly at all to any form of racial discrimination (Soviets used it against US re Negro question; then, the de-colonization of Asia & Africa took place during the 50s & the 60s – so, explicit racial discrimination, in the literal sense of the word, was simply not acceptable anymore). There was no conspiracy against white race or anything similar. WW 2 happened, Nazi excesses were exposed & racialist policies were not looked upon favorably by the vast majority of white peoples
     
    No. Climates against racism & racial discrimination do not "permeate the entire world" or do anything else because they are not agents. SOMEONE propagated those ideas, and that someone was the Jewish community.

    And the Jewish community did it with the intent of advantaging itself by dissolving white nations and other white communities and groups.
  303. @Dumbo
    Woah, I agree with Rosie.

    Yes, people talk about "conspiracy theories" as if there was this small group of people in a dark room who control everything that happens, obviously it's not like that, such control is impossible for human beings, but that doesn't mean that the elites do not have a lot of influence and power and use it for their own ends.

    The best example is immigration - by changes in the law and massive propaganda, Western peoples have been led to accept as normal their own population replacement, since 1965. A stupefying change. Which happened because a small group of people - certainly not the majority - decided it this way.

    Or "gay marriage". Where were the masses clamouring for "gay marriage" before the 1990s? Nowhere. The idea wasn't even considered by anyone. And yet now after massive brainwashing it is difficult to find anyone who even questions the concept. Again, a small group of people - we might even say "a cabal" - so decided. And so it was done.

    In the end, "conspiracy theory" is basically just anything that goes against or is different from what the mass media tells. That's the definition, really. So we are all conspiracy theorists. It's just that some theories are better than others.

    “The best example is immigration – by changes in the law and massive propaganda, Western peoples have been led to accept as normal their own population replacement, since 1965.”

    “Western peoples” is your characterization. I would say the majority of Americans view themselves not in that vein. Moreover, it wasn’t propaganda. More like individuals making their own decisions based on their experiences and preferences, which is in direct opposition to your own world view. Which is fine, by the way.

    In addition, I would also venture to say that normies generally do not take hold of this “population replacement” theory. But, for the sake of argument, let’s dig a bit deeper here on that point. You do realize that **nativists, aka WASPS, aka Heritage Americans**, believed that their own existence was being jeopardized in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s by waves of alien peoples (see Eastern/Southern Europe). Is your own heritage of Italian, Greek, Russian, or Polish stock, for example? If yes, well, your ancestors were other than welcome here. Why, you may ask? They were other than capable of understanding the values of “western peoples”, according to nativist propaganda of the time period.

    Would you be of the mindset that they** were correct in their assessment? Why?

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You do realize that **nativists, aka WASPS, aka Heritage Americans**, believed that their own existence was being jeopardized in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s by waves of alien peoples (see Eastern/Southern Europe).
     

    Would you be of the mindset that they** were correct in their assessment? Why?
     
    Of course they were correct: We had more than enough Eastern/Southern Europeans and Jews in America by 1924. Today, there is no need for immigration to the US from anywhere at all, excepting perhaps a few useful medical/technical-field ‘geniuses’, and their immediate families, from whatever country.
  304. @Bardon Kaldian


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people's opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to "make America non-white through immigration". It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60's, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable "others" to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, .... to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon "ideology" of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy...
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    .....

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60's. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, "planned"; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, ...).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”.

    … There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, …. to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon “ideology” of the New Left

    I get the profit part but where does this “cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas” come from? You mention:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy…

    None of the above was popular in American or any other Western society. It was pushed from the top on down with the aid of some malcontents at the bottom and middle, plus a lot of people with no real opinion on these matters who were merely conforming to the agenda that was incentivised from the top. Societal conditions – greater wealth, physical mobility, etc – may have made it easier to ignore such “dominant ideas” without immediate consequences – for a while – but the ideas themselves did not spring organically from the society. Instead they were disseminated via mass media and the schools by those who had the power to do so.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    None of the above was popular in American or any other Western society. It was pushed from the top on down with the aid of some malcontents at the bottom and middle, plus a lot of people with no real opinion on these matters who were merely conforming to the agenda that was incentivised from the top. Societal conditions – greater wealth, physical mobility, etc – may have made it easier to ignore such “dominant ideas” without immediate consequences – for a while – but the ideas themselves did not spring organically from the society. Instead they were disseminated via mass media and the schools by those who had the power to do so.
     
    On the contrary- in affluent Western societies, and US in particular, these were "natural" ideas. Their time has just come, and were it otherwise, they would have never taken root.

    Great social-cultural changes never originate among some malcontents or geniuses - take your pick- who had written foundational books or pamphlets & then, through media or chattering classes, they somehow manage to hypnotize masses & drive them to utterly different types of behavior than in preceding socio-cultural modes.

    For instance, the Enlightenment of Bayle, Newton, Locke, Voltaire, Smith, ... which caused the fundamental change in Western culture did not happen because these guys wrote some great books; they wrote, articulated & created ideas which were revolutionary and novel due to the fact that people had grown tired of wars of religion, that technological development had accelerated, that liberalism & commerce had spread immensely & urbanization followed, along with ideas of progress, cultivation & emancipation.

    You don't have the idea of progress during, say, Renaissance & Reformation. Only after religious fervor fizzled, the notion of progress could appear.

    Out of, say, 15 loony ideas of the New Left, only up to 5 had been articulated in works of Herbert Marcuse. Otherwise, this cartoon ideology has no foundational texts, and not even important works which, somehow, articulate most of these ideas. These caricatural ideology popped up in the Western world during 1968 & after, following growth of hedonistic liberalism combined with badly articulated leftist atmosphere. Sartre was Maoist; Costa Gavras directed leftist propaganda; in the US, the combined effect of the Beatles, Marcuse, hippies, stoners, irresponsible leftism which Wolfe satirized...brought about irreversible cultural change which intensified in the following decades, culminating in the period after the collapse of Communism.

    There is no world-view which has been "pushed upon" affluent Western societies from "above". The homegrown decadence simply set in during the 60s & naturally grew, without scriptures, foundational texts etc.
  305. anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Henry's Cat
    I heard that Disney Plus is going great guns, something like 50 million subscribers in the last quarter.

    I heard that Disney Plus is going great guns, something like 50 million subscribers in the last quarter.

    However there is no new content, though, because all the movies are on hold. Other streaming services have new content on the drive they can serve up.

    Plus Di$ney has been all about “experience” for years now. They raised the pass price for the Anaheim park and more or less got away with it. “Experience” includes theme parks in North America, Europe and Asia, plus all the cruise ships. “Experience” is burning tens of millions of dollars per day because the parks are closed and the cruise ships are parked.

    https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/media-industry-analyst-in-ny-times-estimates-disney-is-hemorrhaging-30-million-per-day/

    • Replies: @AnotherDad

    “Experience” is burning tens of millions of dollars per day because the parks are closed and the cruise ships are parked.
     
    Actually "parked" at sea, with skeleton crew and burning (a small bit) of fuel oil.

    Down to five cruise ships--that i could see--out in the ocean this morning. 2 Disney, 3 Carnival. That was actually down from a couple days ago when i saw seven--3 Disney and 4 Carnival (plus a couple freighters)--floating out there. Had never seen seven at once before.

    Definitely not a winning business, for the next year--or two? or three?
  306. There is the outer party, Bob Seger version. Rock and Roll never forgets.

  307. @Twinkie

    There is no Inner Party who can explain how the world really works, like at the end of 1984 and Brave New World. Nobody knows anything.

    Conspiracy theorists have much too high an estimation of the capabilities of the people in charge.
     

    Golden words. I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do.

    My wife is the head of a local healthcare facility, and the same panicked scene unfolded in the conference call she had with other heads of hospitals and their corporate overlords.

    My contacts still in the alphabet soup tell me the same thing. There is no “Inner Party.” People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do.

    They don’t need an “inner party.” As Gore Vidal, a paid-in-full member of our owners, says, they don’t have to have meetings. They all think alike.

    • Replies: @ben tillman

    They don’t need an “inner party.” As Gore Vidal, a paid-in-full member of our owners, says, they don’t have to have meetings. They all think alike.
     
    That's right. It's the hive mind.
  308. I’m just not sure that the fact that the CEO of Disney didn’t predict a virus from Wuhan, China, proves that there is no ‘deep state’….

    joe

    • Agree: Hibernian
  309. @Paleo Liberal
    Sometimes conspiracies fail.

    Way back in 2019, the more liberal candidate for Wisconsin Supreme Court was favored to win, but more Republicans voted. The more conservative candidate eked out a win.

    This year, the more liberal candidate was favored for a slight victory, but the Republicans saw a chance to use Coronavirus to get an easy win.

    I don't care what the die-hard GOP talking point parrots say. This looked to me, and to the majority of people in Wisconsin, to be a case where the GOP was endangering lives to steal an election.

    Yes, the vote in heavily Democratic Milwaukee was lowered. Milwaukee county has double the population of Dane county, but fewer voters in 2020. But Milwaukee went 67% Dem, Dane went 81% Dane. Several counties that went GOP in 2016, 2018 and 2019 went Democratic in 2020. The heavily Republican counties still went Republican, but the Democrats did better in 2020 than in earlier elections. For example, Waukesha county is normally 32% Dem, but went 38% Dem this time.

    The moral -- voters are taking Coronavirus seriously. They will punish politicians who seem not to take things seriously.

    This is ridiculous and just about proof positive that most conspiracy nonsense is just peddled by low information people who think they know more than they do. I don’t even know where to start with that ridiculous post.

    The Republicans and Democrats all filed court filings asking for the election to be held on the proper day. A liberal federal judge agreed. The only people trying to “steal” the election where some liberal groups trying to shamelessly use the kung flu scare as a reason to do away with voter ID. If there was a conspiracy it was your liberals.

    The rest of your post is just misinformation. I suggest you stop reading the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Your IQ will instantly double and we’ll get you back in the triple digits.

    For example, turnout in Milwaukee was HIGHER, not lower as you state. The shenanigans in Milwaukee had nothing to do with the Sup. Ct. race and everything to do with Dem. infighting between white liberals trying to screw the African American local candidates by driving down in person voting, since AA’s don’t mail in vote as much as nice white liberals.

    And the vote was up for the same reason the liberal Sup. Ct. candidate won–there was a contested Dem. presidential primary on the ballot. That’s it. Period.

    Other than those factual errors, your post about a two political parties “conspiring” to steal an election completely out in the open with public court filings was totally believable.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Don’t be a whiny sore loser.

    Whether you agree with me or not, the people of Wisconsin have spoken. Things change very quickly these days, but this was a total disaster for the GOP.

    If the GOP had worked with Evers, they had about an even chance of winning. Instead they lost by over 10%.

    And none of your whiny “explaining” will change that.

    This significantly reduces the chances of Trump carrying Wisconsin in November, although lots can happen between now and then.
    , @Hibernian

    I suggest you stop reading the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.
     
    Or anything else from "Progressive" Wisconsin.
  310. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    No, it’s like…

    Sailer sneezes, Economy freezes.

  311. @Bardon Kaldian


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people's opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to "make America non-white through immigration". It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60's, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable "others" to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, .... to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon "ideology" of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy...
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    .....

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60's. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, "planned"; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, ...).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

    It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    The family reunification policy was added by those who opposed change; relatives of those immigrants already here, overwhemingly European, had the advantage for the first decade or so. If any law needed a sunset clause, that was it.

    Also, remember that the act didn’t apply to Western Hemisphere countries. Blame for that rise goes elsewhere.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  312. @Anonymous
    "view the extermination-for-convenience of the next generation with horror"

    That's one way to look at it. But have you considered that those being aborted are not a random sample of the next generation?

    That’s one way to look at it. But have you considered that those being aborted are not a random sample of the next generation?

    You ignore the chilling effect. Stupid, irresponsible women are having the abortions. Smart, responsible women are using contraception. Some of the former change their minds before the clinic.

    The “random sample” should be of potential children not being conceived, not existing children not being born.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    Have you ever seen one of those inspirational preacher guest appearances where they bring on a woman with a baby and she testifies that she was ready to get the abortion procedure in real time and the holy spirit gave her the message to beat it out of there for the love of Jesus? Then they cut to all the faces of the people in the congregation weeping tears of joy?

    The last time I saw one I am almost ashamed to say that I noted her body mass index was a minimum of 33. The body mass visualizer folks really need to re-do their software because the scale does not go high enough to reflect the real world.
  313. @Harry Baldwin
    It’s so far gone now that you’d have to fire 90%+ of everyone in the Federal Government to clean the stables.

    B-b-but Sean Hannity says that 99% of the people who work at our intelligence agencies are fine Americans doing a great job for us!

    Further evidence that Sean, despite the talents that have made him a fortune, is kind of an idiot.

    BTW, during the investigation of Hillary's email scandal, Sean told us that he had connections in the FBI who assured him that if Comey didn't file charges against Hillary, thousands of agents would resign in protest.

    B-b-but Sean Hannity says that 99% of the people who work at our intelligence agencies are fine Americans doing a great job for us!

    Hannity having a show is baffling. He knows almost nothing about anything. A number of years ago Hannity realized (read? was told?) that Woodrow Wilson was a lousy President. He went on and for a number of shows as if this was a new and innovative view of Wilson. Hannity reminds me of a “conservative” college sophomore just discovering that the prevailing view on so many people and institutions isn’t actually accurate. “Wait, the UN doesn’t actually do anything useful? Really?! Hey guys did you know…”

    Hannity never graduated from college (not that college necessarily equates with intelligence) and doesn’t seem to be well-read or informed at all. I believe he was working as a painter or something similar when he got a talk show job. He’s just a guy with a microphone. Tucker Carlson must be embarrassed to have to work with/next to the guy.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    Indeed.

    Carlson is (whatever his precise ancestry) a final flowering of glorious Waspdom, while Hannity is as good an explanation as any for that winsome Bostonian advert: "No dogs, no Irish".
    , @Redman
    IIRC Hannity was a classmate at Pace University with Chuck D, seminal rapper for Public Enemy.

    I wonder if they spent a lot of time together...
  314. Have any iSteve commenters now or previously contracted CV19?

    I may be able to livecomment the damn thing, depending on test results. If I disappear you’ll know it’s not good for a reasonably healthy 60 year old.

    • Thanks: Bardon Kaldian
    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Whatever is ailing you, I hope for the very best, and a speedy recovery.

    Makes for a boring blog, but I am willing to deal with that.
    , @Redman
    I’m 50 and had it in early March. Rough for one night/day and then just exhausted for 2 weeks.

    I really see this as something that healthy people can endure and be fine. My 77 year old father thinks he had it too. Lives on the UWS of Manhattan, so there’s a good chance. He had similar symptoms as me, but recovered more quickly for some reason. And he’s a lifetime smoker who had severe Pneumonia last year.
  315. @LondonBob
    Wilson would be Colonel House.

    TR's ego was his weak spot, massage it and propose to fund his campaign and away you go. Same with Ross Perot, who knows how much influence Morton Myerson had on his decision to run.

    https://www.jns.org/remembering-ross-perots-relationship-with-israel-and-the-amreican-jewish-community/

    Wilson had Colonel House, but they both had Sir William Wiseman, who appealed to their Anglophilia and not-so-latent snobbery.
    Look him up: probably the most important éminence grise of the early 20th century.

  316. It’s a mistake to think theres a single monolithic inner party. Theres a lot of rich pricks out there with their own agendas who need with each other and run competing factions. With that said there is also some sort of artificially cultivated common ideology amongst all factions. What is the source of that? Maybe a “memoir” will tell me?

    No, its most laughable to think you will get the truth about anything in “memoirs”. Sorry nerds, much to your dismay you actually cant learn much about how the human world works by READING anything. If that were the case Davos/Epstein/Bilderberg etc wouldn’t be necessary would it? If that were the case wouldnt super-nerd bloggers already be running the world? After all, they READ more than anyone! Who could possibly know more?

    I think it’s important to separate being a string puller from omniscience. When IQ is your multi-decade hobby horse then it may be easy to think by garsh, people who run our affairs must be geniuses! But no – the inner party folks are not god – they just like to play god. Ron’s grocer vs gangster analogy is a good one.

    Understanding the world starts with noticing. For example, notice the collection of facts below

    -Bill Gates’s father is an SJW who hobnobs with royalty and old money, is an activist around the world through World Justice Project
    -Bill Gates is an SJW who hobnobs with royalty and old money and is active around the world through nonprofits
    -Bill Gates as founder of Microsoft earned a reputation as the most conniving sociopathic businessman in recent memory
    -Bill Gates was a Jeffrey Epstein associate and flew on Lolita Express after it was known Jeffrey is a pedo pimp
    -Bill Gates used his sociopathy to literally become the richest man in the world
    -Bill Gates started funding the DNC after his anti trust lawsuit
    -Bill Gates has funneled most of his money to a tax shelter
    -Bill Gates has invested heavily in big pharma through his tax shelter
    -Bill Gates believes Earth is over populated
    -Bill Gates backed vaccines have caused sterility
    -Bill Gates funded Event 201 coronavirus pandemic exercise
    -Bill Gates has jumped to the front of coronavirus responses, supporting extended lockdowns, vaccines-as-only-solution and tattood RFID chips via ID2020 (fyi I am not an anti vaxxer in general and my kids all have their shots)
    -Politicians of the party funded by Bill Gates are actively working to suppress viable coronavirus treatments that are not part of the ‘Gates response’

    A noticer might think this collection of facts were odd, and suggest that a morally bankrupt richest man in the world might actually be trying to play god and meddle about in major events and world affairs.
    A naive good-thinking NPC may go and READ the NYT and Snopes and think that kind pink-sweatered Bill Gates just happy-go-lucky sort of tends to bumble himself into situations that just make it LOOK like he is an evil prick- but that would be crazy conspiracy talk! Badthought badthought badthought

    String puller starter pack:

    -Rothschilds / Rockefeller / old money in trusts
    -Trilateral Commission / CFR / Vatican
    -In-Q-Tel / CIA / NSA
    -George Soros / Koch brothers /Gates etc

    • Replies: @utu

    "When IQ is your multi-decade hobby horse then it may be easy to think by garsh, people who run our affairs must be geniuses!
     
    " - The IQims affirms and justifies the power and vice versa. The IQism is essential to preserve the myth of meritocracy. Libertarians shield the rich and powerful with a philosophical argument on the sanctity of liberty and private property and the IQists do the same with the claim of biological determinism. The Libertarians and IQists are interested only in the 'Who' in the Lenin's 'Who,Whom' so they know 'Whom They Will Serve' (Joshua 24:14-15).
  317. @Polynikes
    This is ridiculous and just about proof positive that most conspiracy nonsense is just peddled by low information people who think they know more than they do. I don't even know where to start with that ridiculous post.

    The Republicans and Democrats all filed court filings asking for the election to be held on the proper day. A liberal federal judge agreed. The only people trying to "steal" the election where some liberal groups trying to shamelessly use the kung flu scare as a reason to do away with voter ID. If there was a conspiracy it was your liberals.

    The rest of your post is just misinformation. I suggest you stop reading the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Your IQ will instantly double and we'll get you back in the triple digits.

    For example, turnout in Milwaukee was HIGHER, not lower as you state. The shenanigans in Milwaukee had nothing to do with the Sup. Ct. race and everything to do with Dem. infighting between white liberals trying to screw the African American local candidates by driving down in person voting, since AA's don't mail in vote as much as nice white liberals.

    And the vote was up for the same reason the liberal Sup. Ct. candidate won--there was a contested Dem. presidential primary on the ballot. That's it. Period.

    Other than those factual errors, your post about a two political parties "conspiring" to steal an election completely out in the open with public court filings was totally believable.

    Don’t be a whiny sore loser.

    Whether you agree with me or not, the people of Wisconsin have spoken. Things change very quickly these days, but this was a total disaster for the GOP.

    If the GOP had worked with Evers, they had about an even chance of winning. Instead they lost by over 10%.

    And none of your whiny “explaining” will change that.

    This significantly reduces the chances of Trump carrying Wisconsin in November, although lots can happen between now and then.

    • Replies: @Polynikes
    Like I mentioned earlier, you're a low information doofus. How easily you backed off your flimsy "conspiracy theory" into some other rant is proof enough, yet quite amusing. You did not get a single fact right.

    This wasn't a Republican election. It doesn't portend anything for Trump in the fall. Trump got almost double the votes this Spring as he did in 2016. Biden barely beat the 2016 winner.

    If you don't know anymore than you read in the Journal Sentinel, you should probably just remain silent, read, and try and learn something.
    , @Hibernian

    If the GOP had worked with Evers...
     
    That would truly be a pact with the Devil.
  318. @Stephen Dodge
    I agree with you that the sort of conspiracy theorist who claims there are unnamed people out there behind many of the great historical figures of whom we have heard - as if someone was telling Lincoln to suspend habeas corpus and callously let the prisoners in the POW camps die by the thousands, or as if someone was telling Stalin to do what Stalin did, and Stalin obeyed - is a phony conspiracy theorist who is peddling nonsense.

    Stalin is not like the bad famous people of today, he was straight up in his desire to kill. Lincoln is not like the famous bad people of today, he studied all his life to fool people with his phony charisma. (Same goes for Jefferson Davis).

    TR and FDR were not trying to bend history in a bad direction, they were just carrying on the mistakes of their forebears (and carrying on the good traditions, too). No real unknown names behind them.

    But the inner circle people of today are not straightforward people like TR and FDR or straightforward villains like Stalin. Ask Bill Gates, or Bergoglio, or Soros, or the Bush/Obamas - people who are obviously trying very hard to make this world into a worse place for others - who they respect, who they are really trying to impress.

    If you could get an honest answer, you would know the name or names.

    We probably disagree on this, you think that is incompetence all the way up, I think there is something more sinister going on when bad things are forced onto good people. With Soros, his idolization of Popper and his misunderstandings are fairly easy to detect, with Gates and Bergoglio and the Bush/Obamas, there is probably a more complicated mix of intellectual blackmail and sinister compromises.

    Since you have the sense to include Bergoglio in this noxious mixture you are clearly worth some attention.

    I also like the fact that you read the DNB, one of the great works of the great 19th century. The German biographical dictionary is comprehensive but turgid, the Austrian one wonderfully old world, with seemingly more genealogical tables than actual biographies, the American one came later, and has since been replaced by a more-or-less politically correct version which all right-minded people should boycott, the Italian one, begun in 1925, is currently at letter “S”, with 92 very thick volumes so far published. The French, those mysterious people, don’t even have one, completed or not, and the Irish only came out with theirs, in a rather meagre nine volumes, in 2009. There is an even later Spanish version, in 45 volumes, published as late as 2011-2013, which is, one can hardly doubt, disgustingly anti-everything which made Spain great, from El Cid to El Caudillo.
    Perhaps surprisingly (but actually not: they were a great people once) the Swedish version is in many ways the best of all – except for the DNB of course.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    What is a DNB?
  319. @dfordoom

    The reason why so many people believe in conspiracy theories is because it offers simple explanations to a fantastically complex, scary and inscrutable World that they do not understand.
     
    Yes, I think that's a large part of the motivation for believing in conspiracy theories. It' much easier to believe in conspiracy theories than to try to figure out how the world actually works.

    It's not the only motivation. There are also people who like to think they have Secret Knowledge that ordinary folks don't have.

    And there are people who are simply inclined to paranoid delusions.

    Well, those are certainly some of the reasons why “so many people” believe in conspiracy theories.

    But those of us who have discovered that there actually are conspiracies, and many more than just one, did so because we looked around with a noticing but discriminating eye.

    Thus: no, to the the Protocols (but with regret); yes, to the Grand Orient; no, to a Communist plot to take over the Catholic Church; yes, to the St. Gallen mafia and its sadly successful plot to topple Benedict and install Francis.

    And none of them are ever acting alone; there are always individuals who come to their aid, for reasons of their own, who might even play the decisive role at the critical moment.

    A De Gaulle, for example, in Algeria, or a Sodano in Rome.

  320. @William Badwhite

    B-b-but Sean Hannity says that 99% of the people who work at our intelligence agencies are fine Americans doing a great job for us!
     
    Hannity having a show is baffling. He knows almost nothing about anything. A number of years ago Hannity realized (read? was told?) that Woodrow Wilson was a lousy President. He went on and for a number of shows as if this was a new and innovative view of Wilson. Hannity reminds me of a "conservative" college sophomore just discovering that the prevailing view on so many people and institutions isn't actually accurate. "Wait, the UN doesn't actually do anything useful? Really?! Hey guys did you know..."

    Hannity never graduated from college (not that college necessarily equates with intelligence) and doesn't seem to be well-read or informed at all. I believe he was working as a painter or something similar when he got a talk show job. He's just a guy with a microphone. Tucker Carlson must be embarrassed to have to work with/next to the guy.

    Indeed.

    Carlson is (whatever his precise ancestry) a final flowering of glorious Waspdom, while Hannity is as good an explanation as any for that winsome Bostonian advert: “No dogs, no Irish”.

    • Agree: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Wasn't it Hong Kong instead of Boston and Chinese instead of Irish, or was it purposeful mix-up of metaphors?
  321. @YetAnotherAnon
    Have any iSteve commenters now or previously contracted CV19?

    I may be able to livecomment the damn thing, depending on test results. If I disappear you'll know it's not good for a reasonably healthy 60 year old.

    Whatever is ailing you, I hope for the very best, and a speedy recovery.

    Makes for a boring blog, but I am willing to deal with that.

  322. @Ron Unz

    Like I said, please identify who was pulling the strings behind, say, FDR or TR. Enough time has gone by that all the memoirs should be written and available.
     
    Well, based upon the Venona Decrypts, I think there's a pretty good case that Stalin's agents were pulling the strings behind the FDR Administration, at least in its last couple of years...

    Do you have any views on the strange death of Stalin?

    Was it in any way related to the Doctors’ plot and a secret backroom deal made by Khruschev?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz

    Do you have any views on the strange death of Stalin?

    Was it in any way related to the Doctors’ plot and a secret backroom deal made by Khruschev?
     
    Hard to say. Maybe Stalin died in a conspiracy and maybe not. I've certainly read some of the speculation, but I don't think there's any solid evidence.
  323. eD says:

    I think Disney is one of the reasons to hope the elites back away from this mess. Big parts of their business model don’t work with a lockdown (aside from being heavily invested in China!). Even with a lockdown lite, there is some hope people will question why theme parks and movie theaters are now open and the things the elites don’t like remain closed.

  324. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old Palo Altan
    Since you have the sense to include Bergoglio in this noxious mixture you are clearly worth some attention.

    I also like the fact that you read the DNB, one of the great works of the great 19th century. The German biographical dictionary is comprehensive but turgid, the Austrian one wonderfully old world, with seemingly more genealogical tables than actual biographies, the American one came later, and has since been replaced by a more-or-less politically correct version which all right-minded people should boycott, the Italian one, begun in 1925, is currently at letter "S", with 92 very thick volumes so far published. The French, those mysterious people, don't even have one, completed or not, and the Irish only came out with theirs, in a rather meagre nine volumes, in 2009. There is an even later Spanish version, in 45 volumes, published as late as 2011-2013, which is, one can hardly doubt, disgustingly anti-everything which made Spain great, from El Cid to El Caudillo.
    Perhaps surprisingly (but actually not: they were a great people once) the Swedish version is in many ways the best of all - except for the DNB of course.

    What is a DNB?

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    I'm pretty certain he's referring to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. It threw me off at first too. I hate it when people use obscure acronyms w/out context. Sorry OPA, I'm usually a big fan of your comments otherwise.
  325. @Matra

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”.

    ... There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, …. to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon “ideology” of the New Left
     
    I get the profit part but where does this "cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas" come from? You mention:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy…
     
    None of the above was popular in American or any other Western society. It was pushed from the top on down with the aid of some malcontents at the bottom and middle, plus a lot of people with no real opinion on these matters who were merely conforming to the agenda that was incentivised from the top. Societal conditions - greater wealth, physical mobility, etc - may have made it easier to ignore such "dominant ideas" without immediate consequences - for a while - but the ideas themselves did not spring organically from the society. Instead they were disseminated via mass media and the schools by those who had the power to do so.

    None of the above was popular in American or any other Western society. It was pushed from the top on down with the aid of some malcontents at the bottom and middle, plus a lot of people with no real opinion on these matters who were merely conforming to the agenda that was incentivised from the top. Societal conditions – greater wealth, physical mobility, etc – may have made it easier to ignore such “dominant ideas” without immediate consequences – for a while – but the ideas themselves did not spring organically from the society. Instead they were disseminated via mass media and the schools by those who had the power to do so.

    On the contrary- in affluent Western societies, and US in particular, these were “natural” ideas. Their time has just come, and were it otherwise, they would have never taken root.

    Great social-cultural changes never originate among some malcontents or geniuses – take your pick- who had written foundational books or pamphlets & then, through media or chattering classes, they somehow manage to hypnotize masses & drive them to utterly different types of behavior than in preceding socio-cultural modes.

    For instance, the Enlightenment of Bayle, Newton, Locke, Voltaire, Smith, … which caused the fundamental change in Western culture did not happen because these guys wrote some great books; they wrote, articulated & created ideas which were revolutionary and novel due to the fact that people had grown tired of wars of religion, that technological development had accelerated, that liberalism & commerce had spread immensely & urbanization followed, along with ideas of progress, cultivation & emancipation.

    You don’t have the idea of progress during, say, Renaissance & Reformation. Only after religious fervor fizzled, the notion of progress could appear.

    Out of, say, 15 loony ideas of the New Left, only up to 5 had been articulated in works of Herbert Marcuse. Otherwise, this cartoon ideology has no foundational texts, and not even important works which, somehow, articulate most of these ideas. These caricatural ideology popped up in the Western world during 1968 & after, following growth of hedonistic liberalism combined with badly articulated leftist atmosphere. Sartre was Maoist; Costa Gavras directed leftist propaganda; in the US, the combined effect of the Beatles, Marcuse, hippies, stoners, irresponsible leftism which Wolfe satirized…brought about irreversible cultural change which intensified in the following decades, culminating in the period after the collapse of Communism.

    There is no world-view which has been “pushed upon” affluent Western societies from “above”. The homegrown decadence simply set in during the 60s & naturally grew, without scriptures, foundational texts etc.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Great social-cultural changes never originate among some malcontents or geniuses – take your pick
     
    Really.

    Neither Nietzsche’s works (with his surviving sister’s alleged editing) nor Wagner’s works had any influence on German(ic) shotcallers in the first half of the 20th Century?

    Would Maoism have happened without Karl Marx?
    , @anon
    Great social-cultural changes never originate among some malcontents or geniuses – take your pick- who had written foundational books or pamphlets & then, through media or chattering classes, they somehow manage to hypnotize masses & drive them to utterly different types of behavior than in preceding socio-cultural modes.

    Either troll harder or tell us about the Common Sense of Your Struggle with Kapital. by nailing your Theses to a church door. One or the other dude. Because this? This is totally lame.

    Lol.
  326. @Paleo Liberal
    Don’t be a whiny sore loser.

    Whether you agree with me or not, the people of Wisconsin have spoken. Things change very quickly these days, but this was a total disaster for the GOP.

    If the GOP had worked with Evers, they had about an even chance of winning. Instead they lost by over 10%.

    And none of your whiny “explaining” will change that.

    This significantly reduces the chances of Trump carrying Wisconsin in November, although lots can happen between now and then.

    Like I mentioned earlier, you’re a low information doofus. How easily you backed off your flimsy “conspiracy theory” into some other rant is proof enough, yet quite amusing. You did not get a single fact right.

    This wasn’t a Republican election. It doesn’t portend anything for Trump in the fall. Trump got almost double the votes this Spring as he did in 2016. Biden barely beat the 2016 winner.

    If you don’t know anymore than you read in the Journal Sentinel, you should probably just remain silent, read, and try and learn something.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    Sore loser can't stop whining.

    But, but, but ... it's all the Dem's fault! They started it! Mommy!!!!

    Uh, sorry, but you are completely full of crap.

    There was a spring election, and the GOP lost by 10 points, because they made the serious mistake of p*ssing off the electorate.

    It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the election was going to be a train wreck. Polling places all over the state were closing. I talked to someone who normally organized a poll place, who had no idea if it was even going to open.

    Sure, the Dems, especially Evers, could have handled things better.

    But when the people of Wisconsin needed help from the state, the GOP had three choices:
    1. They could've worked with Evers.
    2. They could get out of his way and let Evers handle things, and take the blame if things went badly.
    3. They could stop Evers from solving the problem.

    They did #3, which was politically incredibly stupid, and endangered the health of voters.

    Those are the facts.

    Evers called the gerrymandered legislature into an emergency session.

    The Republicans gaveled in, and gaveled out, in 17 seconds. They did nothing, Then they blocked Evers when he took command and tried to do something.

    Whine all you want about "low information voters", but that is the situation in Wisconsin.

    The GOP screwed the pooch big time. People were voting out of anger towards the GOP.

    Keep saying it will have no effect in the fall. Maybe if you say that enough, it will come true. Just clap your hands if you believe, and Tinkerbell will come and save the election for you.

    Or, you could face facts, that the Wisconsin Republicans snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and it make take years to recover the people's trust, if they ever can.
  327. @Dumbo
    LOL. Non-white immigration increased ten-fold in the world since around 1965 (Not only in the US, in Canada, and in Europe as well, basically in all the developed Western world at roughly the same time) And that was not planned? Just happened "by accident"? Granted, some technological changes also influenced, but to say that there was not a wilful movement to change the demographics of those countries, including the U.S., is very naive.

    "No one has foreseen".
     
    It was pretty clear even then. Enoch Powell's speech is from 1968. Even before that, others were talking about "the rising tide of color". Agreeing or not with them, it's pretty clear that it was something that was desired, although the reasons are varied (cheap workers, globalization, etc)

    The classical mistake of post hoc, ergo propter hoc. Non-white immigration, still very small, intensified only due to the collapse of colonialism (for instance, Arabs from Algeria after French lost that war); or because of growth of consumerism which needed cheaper labor force, available only in former colonies or spheres of influence.

    Native working class in Britain, Germany, France, US .. simply would not do things as before. Native workers wanted easier & better life, but only Turks in Germany or Mexicans in the US could provide them with that.

    And Enoch Powell was a failed prophet- where are those rivers of blood? As I’ve been saying all the time, affluent Western peoples have been gradually losing their fighting spirit & becoming accommodated to a life dominated by failure of nerve. And this (consumerism, hedonism, nihilism, alienation, ..) can come to the end only through- rivers of blood.

    • LOL: Coemgen
  328. @Dumbo
    LOL. Non-white immigration increased ten-fold in the world since around 1965 (Not only in the US, in Canada, and in Europe as well, basically in all the developed Western world at roughly the same time) And that was not planned? Just happened "by accident"? Granted, some technological changes also influenced, but to say that there was not a wilful movement to change the demographics of those countries, including the U.S., is very naive.

    "No one has foreseen".
     
    It was pretty clear even then. Enoch Powell's speech is from 1968. Even before that, others were talking about "the rising tide of color". Agreeing or not with them, it's pretty clear that it was something that was desired, although the reasons are varied (cheap workers, globalization, etc)

    Ideas, including bad ones, spread like viruses between Western Countries. There was definitely a willful movement driven by certain ideas and philosophies (ie postmodernism) but it wasn’t precisely planned with military precision. The level of organization is more analogous to an inner city riot. No one has a memo to rob the Korean liquor store. It’s just where the liquor is.

    I noticed a lot of the Asian and Indian tech workers in my last company spouted some of the same SJW group think. Whether or not they apply it to their own countries is something I probably have should have pushed them on (e.g should China and India also have open borders? Do the have any shared heritage and culture and should it be respected?)

  329. @Reg Cæsar

    So Steve is denying Operation Mockingbird now?
     
    Remember when "Operations" had colorful names? Whatever happened to that?

    The nadir has to be Operation Uphold Democracy, though the oxymoronic Iraqi Freedom was pretty bad, too. Do vets sit around the VFW reminiscing, "Yeah, I was in Operation Uphold. Those were the days!"

    “Operation Just Cause,” the invasion of Panama.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    A conspiracy theory is Panama was invaded because Noriega had compromising photos of various US bigwigs.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905392/Hollywood-screenwriter-mysteriously-killed-20-years-ago-working-CIA-hands-sent-autopsy-200-years-old.html

    I only heard this because the deep state Wikipedia editor 'Philip Cross' was editing pages about it, so I thought why the interest?

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/04/information-wars/
    , @Reg Cæsar

    “Operation Just Cause,” the invasion of Panama.
     
    At least that one's a double-entendre. Just 'cause they wanted to.
  330. A lot of the examples given here aren’t even close to being elites. These are specialized high level water carriers. They exist to toe certain lines and are disgraced or dead if they make their own decisions. We do not yet know how the real top people reacted, and we might not learn.

  331. @Mr. Anon
    That makes the Millenials look even worse than the Boomers.

    If they're complaining that Boomers are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent the COVID-19 apocalypse, wait until their kids (assuming they have any) start complaining that they (Millenials) are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent some bogus climate-change apocalypse.

    Fate has revenge in store for you - your own children.

    The entity that made the video “CollegeHumor” made some superb and funny videos back in the day. Unfortunately, it got caught up in SJW Woke cult a few years back. It’s interesting that the Woke, Bernie Bros, and Dissident Right Millennials/Gen Xers commonly despise the Boomers. Primarily on the basis of economic grievances.

    BTW I find Global Warming (at least induced by mankind) is on scientific thin ice (ha ha) in terms of substance.

  332. @Stephen Dodge
    in the DNB there is a phrase "did not suffer fools gladly" which means "was an atrocious human being"
    in the DNB there is another phrase "a lifelong bachelor" which means some poor soul did not like women

    read the DNB and search for another phrase which means "pulled the strings of the puppets"

    you will find it quickly in the pre-20th century entries

    same phrase, whether they were in anonymous charge of a town, a university, or the whole country

    and no it is not "power behind the throne" that would be too obvious

    In LOTR, the name was Wormtongue

    Eminence grise?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89minence_grise

    An éminence grise (French pronunciation: ​[eminɑ̃s ɡʁiz]) or grey eminence is a powerful decision-maker or adviser who operates “behind the scenes”, or in a non-public or unofficial capacity.

    This phrase originally referred to François Leclerc du Tremblay, the right-hand man of Cardinal Richelieu. Leclerc was a Capuchin friar who was renowned for his beige robe attire, as beige was termed “grey” in that era. The style His Eminence is used to address or refer to a cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church. Although Leclerc never achieved the rank of cardinal, those around him addressed him as such in deference to the considerable influence this “grey” friar held over “His Eminence the Cardinal”

    But that’s an individual. For such people to act in concert (witting or not) they would all need to share the same outlook, at least when dealing with ‘the other’ is concerned.

    • Replies: @Stephen Dodge
    "driving force", translated into DNB language .... eminence grise captures a few of them, and a few of them get tagged with "exerted an .... influence" (usually "exorbitant", but also "undue", "surprising" and "unfortunately excessive")

    (by the way, "swpl" simply means Democratic white voters who are not poor - it is sort of derogatory, but on the other hand, it is a compliment, if one is white, it is good to like the things that white people like, same is true for every ethnicity, God loves us all and God is not displeased when we are happy to be who we are. I do not have time to go into it here, but even the Chinese are a good-hearted people, in general).

  333. @Bardon Kaldian

    But the portion in bold is an admission that the change in immigration policy is due to conscious planning because, of course, the norm to which you think the USG was conforming is entirely the result of conscious planning.
     
    1. of course that Hart Cellar 65 was consciously planned, but this was just a change in official policy, similar to, say, Nixon's opening toward PR China or US pressure on France, UK & Israel during Suez crisis. That's just politics, nothing conspiratorial about it.

    2. general climate against racism & racial discrimination had permeated the entire world after Hitler's defeat, so that post-1945 world was not friendly at all to any form of racial discrimination (Soviets used it against US re Negro question; then, the de-colonization of Asia & Africa took place during the 50s & the 60s - so, explicit racial discrimination, in the literal sense of the word, was simply not acceptable anymore). There was no conspiracy against white race or anything similar. WW 2 happened, Nazi excesses were exposed & racialist policies were not looked upon favorably by the vast majority of white peoples.

    1. of course that Hart Cellar 65 was consciously planned, but this was just a change in official policy, similar to, say, Nixon’s opening toward PR China or US pressure on France, UK & Israel during Suez crisis. That’s just politics, nothing conspiratorial about it.

    If the statute was planned, then it was planned with the intent to cause the foreseeable results, which means that the foreseeable results — including the replacement of whites with non-whites — was also planned. Some of those who desired that result — like Earl Raab — have admitted that that was the intended result.

    2. general climate against racism & racial discrimination had permeated the entire world after Hitler’s defeat, so that post-1945 world was not friendly at all to any form of racial discrimination (Soviets used it against US re Negro question; then, the de-colonization of Asia & Africa took place during the 50s & the 60s – so, explicit racial discrimination, in the literal sense of the word, was simply not acceptable anymore). There was no conspiracy against white race or anything similar. WW 2 happened, Nazi excesses were exposed & racialist policies were not looked upon favorably by the vast majority of white peoples

    No. Climates against racism & racial discrimination do not “permeate the entire world” or do anything else because they are not agents. SOMEONE propagated those ideas, and that someone was the Jewish community.

    And the Jewish community did it with the intent of advantaging itself by dissolving white nations and other white communities and groups.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    No. Climates against racism & racial discrimination do not “permeate the entire world” or do anything else because they are not agents. SOMEONE propagated those ideas, and that someone was the Jewish community.

    And the Jewish community did it with the intent of advantaging itself by dissolving white nations and other white communities and groups.
     

    All I can say is:

    https://media.giphy.com/media/qiMbLh4WHEZyw/giphy.gif

    I believe in Jew conspiracy stuff as much as I believe in this:

    https://archive.org/details/DerEwigeJude

    , @scrivener3
    That's right.

    And the reason that they all think alike is they all attended the same schools (Ivy League, UNC. Washington U f St Louis, U of Chicago, Berkeley, Stanford ) where they were taught the same ideas.

    Plus all reinforced by the respectable mass media (NY Times newspaper, TV Networks, Times following newspapers, to some extent twitter, facebook, google).

    Then reinforced more by well funded International Institutions NGO's, Think Tanks, Foundations, SPLC, UN.

    Then, for icing on the cake, entertainment, TV, Hollywood, music.

    Then the prestige of the US Government. Studies show. . . The Government established . .

    So many things on one side; must they not be "right"? No, they are people who hate things the way they are and want to fundamentally change it. They climb on board the most promising "this is wrong" (racism, sexism, inequality) for the "come the revolution" when it will all be wiped away and they will be in a better position.
  334. @ben tillman

    1. of course that Hart Cellar 65 was consciously planned, but this was just a change in official policy, similar to, say, Nixon’s opening toward PR China or US pressure on France, UK & Israel during Suez crisis. That’s just politics, nothing conspiratorial about it.
     
    If the statute was planned, then it was planned with the intent to cause the foreseeable results, which means that the foreseeable results -- including the replacement of whites with non-whites -- was also planned. Some of those who desired that result -- like Earl Raab -- have admitted that that was the intended result.


    2. general climate against racism & racial discrimination had permeated the entire world after Hitler’s defeat, so that post-1945 world was not friendly at all to any form of racial discrimination (Soviets used it against US re Negro question; then, the de-colonization of Asia & Africa took place during the 50s & the 60s – so, explicit racial discrimination, in the literal sense of the word, was simply not acceptable anymore). There was no conspiracy against white race or anything similar. WW 2 happened, Nazi excesses were exposed & racialist policies were not looked upon favorably by the vast majority of white peoples
     
    No. Climates against racism & racial discrimination do not "permeate the entire world" or do anything else because they are not agents. SOMEONE propagated those ideas, and that someone was the Jewish community.

    And the Jewish community did it with the intent of advantaging itself by dissolving white nations and other white communities and groups.

    No. Climates against racism & racial discrimination do not “permeate the entire world” or do anything else because they are not agents. SOMEONE propagated those ideas, and that someone was the Jewish community.

    And the Jewish community did it with the intent of advantaging itself by dissolving white nations and other white communities and groups.

    All I can say is:

    I believe in Jew conspiracy stuff as much as I believe in this:

    https://archive.org/details/DerEwigeJude

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon

    All I can say is:
     
    i.e., Ben Tillman is right and you have no argument but cat videos.
  335. @obwandiyag
    They don't need an "inner party." As Gore Vidal, a paid-in-full member of our owners, says, they don't have to have meetings. They all think alike.

    They don’t need an “inner party.” As Gore Vidal, a paid-in-full member of our owners, says, they don’t have to have meetings. They all think alike.

    That’s right. It’s the hive mind.

  336. @Polynikes
    Like I mentioned earlier, you're a low information doofus. How easily you backed off your flimsy "conspiracy theory" into some other rant is proof enough, yet quite amusing. You did not get a single fact right.

    This wasn't a Republican election. It doesn't portend anything for Trump in the fall. Trump got almost double the votes this Spring as he did in 2016. Biden barely beat the 2016 winner.

    If you don't know anymore than you read in the Journal Sentinel, you should probably just remain silent, read, and try and learn something.

    Sore loser can’t stop whining.

    But, but, but … it’s all the Dem’s fault! They started it! Mommy!!!!

    Uh, sorry, but you are completely full of crap.

    There was a spring election, and the GOP lost by 10 points, because they made the serious mistake of p*ssing off the electorate.

    It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that the election was going to be a train wreck. Polling places all over the state were closing. I talked to someone who normally organized a poll place, who had no idea if it was even going to open.

    Sure, the Dems, especially Evers, could have handled things better.

    But when the people of Wisconsin needed help from the state, the GOP had three choices:
    1. They could’ve worked with Evers.
    2. They could get out of his way and let Evers handle things, and take the blame if things went badly.
    3. They could stop Evers from solving the problem.

    They did #3, which was politically incredibly stupid, and endangered the health of voters.

    Those are the facts.

    Evers called the gerrymandered legislature into an emergency session.

    The Republicans gaveled in, and gaveled out, in 17 seconds. They did nothing, Then they blocked Evers when he took command and tried to do something.

    Whine all you want about “low information voters”, but that is the situation in Wisconsin.

    The GOP screwed the pooch big time. People were voting out of anger towards the GOP.

    Keep saying it will have no effect in the fall. Maybe if you say that enough, it will come true. Just clap your hands if you believe, and Tinkerbell will come and save the election for you.

    Or, you could face facts, that the Wisconsin Republicans snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, and it make take years to recover the people’s trust, if they ever can.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    I have zero sympathy for Trump and the GOP. 2012 should have made very clear that free market fundamentalism had no future with the electorate: the only reason that the GOP even stood a chance in 2016 was, in addition to Obama hollowing out the Democrats as a national party, because Trump openly ignored or mocked long-standing zombie Reaganism in the primaries. Now, in the context of openly bailing out the wealthy while shutting down the middle class and putting working class lives at risk, they've earned what is coming.

    You reap what you sow. The K-Street boys have learned absolutely nothing, so more populist insurgents are on the way for the Republican Party, and chances are they are going to far less willing to keep Conservatism Inc. on life support than Trump.

  337. @Bardon Kaldian


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people's opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to "make America non-white through immigration". It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60's, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable "others" to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, .... to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon "ideology" of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy...
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    .....

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60's. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, "planned"; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, ...).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to “make America non-white through immigration”. It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    “It was supposed….” “There was no intention”? Three-plus billion humans and not a one of them intended to make America non-white through immigration?

    It was supposed that America would remain 80-85% white? Supposed by whom?

    Those who spent forty years pushing the bill most certainly did not suppose that. Anyone who gave it a reasonable amount of thought would know that the world’s poor would flock to the pot of gold that Americans had built. One is presumed to intend the natural and probable consequences of his acts; moreover, we know from other sources that this consequence was in fact desired by the group that fought so tirelessly for the change in the law.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    This guy basically answers your question:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cz4JpzJSYY
  338. @Testing12
    It's a mistake to think theres a single monolithic inner party. Theres a lot of rich pricks out there with their own agendas who need with each other and run competing factions. With that said there is also some sort of artificially cultivated common ideology amongst all factions. What is the source of that? Maybe a "memoir" will tell me?

    No, its most laughable to think you will get the truth about anything in "memoirs". Sorry nerds, much to your dismay you actually cant learn much about how the human world works by READING anything. If that were the case Davos/Epstein/Bilderberg etc wouldn't be necessary would it? If that were the case wouldnt super-nerd bloggers already be running the world? After all, they READ more than anyone! Who could possibly know more?

    I think it's important to separate being a string puller from omniscience. When IQ is your multi-decade hobby horse then it may be easy to think by garsh, people who run our affairs must be geniuses! But no - the inner party folks are not god - they just like to play god. Ron's grocer vs gangster analogy is a good one.

    Understanding the world starts with noticing. For example, notice the collection of facts below

    -Bill Gates's father is an SJW who hobnobs with royalty and old money, is an activist around the world through World Justice Project
    -Bill Gates is an SJW who hobnobs with royalty and old money and is active around the world through nonprofits
    -Bill Gates as founder of Microsoft earned a reputation as the most conniving sociopathic businessman in recent memory
    -Bill Gates was a Jeffrey Epstein associate and flew on Lolita Express after it was known Jeffrey is a pedo pimp
    -Bill Gates used his sociopathy to literally become the richest man in the world
    -Bill Gates started funding the DNC after his anti trust lawsuit
    -Bill Gates has funneled most of his money to a tax shelter
    -Bill Gates has invested heavily in big pharma through his tax shelter
    -Bill Gates believes Earth is over populated
    -Bill Gates backed vaccines have caused sterility
    -Bill Gates funded Event 201 coronavirus pandemic exercise
    -Bill Gates has jumped to the front of coronavirus responses, supporting extended lockdowns, vaccines-as-only-solution and tattood RFID chips via ID2020 (fyi I am not an anti vaxxer in general and my kids all have their shots)
    -Politicians of the party funded by Bill Gates are actively working to suppress viable coronavirus treatments that are not part of the 'Gates response'

    A noticer might think this collection of facts were odd, and suggest that a morally bankrupt richest man in the world might actually be trying to play god and meddle about in major events and world affairs.
    A naive good-thinking NPC may go and READ the NYT and Snopes and think that kind pink-sweatered Bill Gates just happy-go-lucky sort of tends to bumble himself into situations that just make it LOOK like he is an evil prick- but that would be crazy conspiracy talk! Badthought badthought badthought

    String puller starter pack:

    -Rothschilds / Rockefeller / old money in trusts
    -Trilateral Commission / CFR / Vatican
    -In-Q-Tel / CIA / NSA
    -George Soros / Koch brothers /Gates etc

    “When IQ is your multi-decade hobby horse then it may be easy to think by garsh, people who run our affairs must be geniuses!

    ” – The IQims affirms and justifies the power and vice versa. The IQism is essential to preserve the myth of meritocracy. Libertarians shield the rich and powerful with a philosophical argument on the sanctity of liberty and private property and the IQists do the same with the claim of biological determinism. The Libertarians and IQists are interested only in the ‘Who’ in the Lenin’s ‘Who,Whom’ so they know ‘Whom They Will Serve’ (Joshua 24:14-15).

  339. I knew it would, eventually, come to Jews.

    For those knowing something about recent history & politics, just consider the case of Jeremy Corbyn. I am not talking about hysteria that seized much of British Jewish populace; I am just saying that with Corbyn, you got perfect illustration of suicidal New Left ideology which is, when it comes the Near East policy, solidly anti-Israel (Israel is considered to be a spiritual successor of Crusader states & an outpost of Western imperialism).

    Corbyn has been denounced to be an aunty-Semite (which he is not). He’s just a prototypical New Leftist who doesn’t care about keeping historical British heritage & identity; who would flood England with even more Pakis & Africans; who has a soft spot for everything belonging to anything east of Suez (except Israel); who is pro-feminist, anti-national, pro- antifa, anti- white in SA etc.

    Personally, I agree with him on some issues (Kurds, Saudis etc.). But- you have to be blind, deaf & mute not to see that his vision of Britain, in practice, leads to radicalized marginalization of historical British peoples.

    With him, you got a shining example of a New Leftist who is both anti-Israel & anti- national. He is not a product of Frankfurt School indoctrination, but of the Spirit of the 68.

  340. @utu
    But there were other forces at work as well. FDR was persuade to jettison Henry Wallace in 1944 which probably did not make Stalin happy.

    A powerful group of party leaders tried to persuade Roosevelt to not keep Wallace as Vice President. Ferrell calls this process "a veritable conspiracy."

    Finally the group decided on Truman, but this decision was secondary to the goal of not nominating Wallace. By late spring 1944, the group had succeeded in turning Roosevelt against Wallace, but the president did not tell Wallace directly and still refused to endorse anybody other than him. In May the president sent Wallace on a trip to China and the Soviet Union, probably with the intention to get him out of the country at an inconvenient time and to obstruct his campaign. - Wiki
     

    I may be wrong, but I gather Eleanor Roosevelt was one of the people who wanted to get rid of Henry Wallace. She may have had some influence on her husband.

    It is interesting to see what the Kennedy family thought of Wallace. When JFK Jr was alive he had a magazine called George. Once George Magazine had an article about the worst VPs in American history, with Aaron Burr taking the low spot, of course. Wallace was ranked not far above Burr.

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    Would've thought LBJ would be bringing up the rear.
    , @utu
    "Eleanor Roosevelt was one of the people who wanted to get rid of Henry Wallace"

    Not in 1944 according to this article in New Yorker:

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/10/14/uncommon-man
    Many of Wallace’s admirers were crestfallen to see him caught up in this doctrinaire machine. They accepted the presence of Communists in the campaign, but hated their bullying tactics. “I will work with Communists,” one Minnesota progressive said. “I will not work for them or under their domination.” The ranks of the disenchanted included Eleanor Roosevelt, who had vigorously supported Wallace in 1944. Now she compared him to Neville Chamberlain.
     
  341. @Steve Sailer
    Can you name who was the String-Puller-in-Chief at some point in the past?

    For example, 100 years ago in the UK, Alfred Milner was more influential than he was famous. He and his boys had influence on influential institutions such as the Times of London and the Encyclopedia Britannica.

    But ... he wasn't as important as, say, David Lloyd-George the prime minister. And Milner was unusual in that he more or less inherited his resources of influence from the much more famous and personally ambitious Cecil Rhodes.

    Can you name who was the String-Puller-in-Chief at some point in the past?

    Hmm, well, “Colonel” House for Woodrow Wilson and Harry Hopkins for Franklin Delano Roosevelt both qualify.

  342. @William Badwhite

    B-b-but Sean Hannity says that 99% of the people who work at our intelligence agencies are fine Americans doing a great job for us!
     
    Hannity having a show is baffling. He knows almost nothing about anything. A number of years ago Hannity realized (read? was told?) that Woodrow Wilson was a lousy President. He went on and for a number of shows as if this was a new and innovative view of Wilson. Hannity reminds me of a "conservative" college sophomore just discovering that the prevailing view on so many people and institutions isn't actually accurate. "Wait, the UN doesn't actually do anything useful? Really?! Hey guys did you know..."

    Hannity never graduated from college (not that college necessarily equates with intelligence) and doesn't seem to be well-read or informed at all. I believe he was working as a painter or something similar when he got a talk show job. He's just a guy with a microphone. Tucker Carlson must be embarrassed to have to work with/next to the guy.

    IIRC Hannity was a classmate at Pace University with Chuck D, seminal rapper for Public Enemy.

    I wonder if they spent a lot of time together…

    • Replies: @duncsbaby
    "He attended New York University, UC Santa Barbara, and Adelphi University, but did not graduate."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Hannity#Early_life_and_education
  343. OT:

    Some social distancing may be needed into 2022 to keep coronavirus in check, new study says

    The research, published Tuesday in the journal Science, looked at a range of scenarios for how the SARS-CoV-2 virus will spread over the next five years. Those scenarios included variables like whether people who are infected develop short-term immunity — less than a year — or longer-term protection. But, overall, the research concludes it is unlikely that life will return any time soon to the way it was before the virus’ emergence.

  344. @YetAnotherAnon
    Have any iSteve commenters now or previously contracted CV19?

    I may be able to livecomment the damn thing, depending on test results. If I disappear you'll know it's not good for a reasonably healthy 60 year old.

    I’m 50 and had it in early March. Rough for one night/day and then just exhausted for 2 weeks.

    I really see this as something that healthy people can endure and be fine. My 77 year old father thinks he had it too. Lives on the UWS of Manhattan, so there’s a good chance. He had similar symptoms as me, but recovered more quickly for some reason. And he’s a lifetime smoker who had severe Pneumonia last year.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    That's encouraging news, thanks.
  345. @Corvinus
    "I witnessed this firsthand at my first board meeting of a large healthcare system as the pandemic began in this country. Everyone was scared and was figuratively running around like chickens with heads cut off. People in charge just didn’t know what to do."

    I doubt that it went down as you say it did, but your story is only one data point.

    "People believe too much in conspiracy when the combination of sheer greed and incompetence will do."

    I would venture to say that 50-70% of companies, large or small, overall have competent leadership. But Sailer's cagey point--he is not about to directly speak his mind about conspiracy theorists or theories, as he depends upon some of the posters here for coin--has merit.

    I would venture to say that 50-70% of companies, large or small, overall have competent leadership.

    I would venture to say that you make up whatever numbers suit you agenda. But thanks for your fictitious musings.

  346. anon[377] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Not sure why you retweeted that Ziad Kid, but it did remind me of Clockboy. Whatever happened to him? Turns out his suit against the school was “dismissed with prejudice” by the judge, and apparently he and his family have gone back to Qatar.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/15/ahmed-mohamed-clock-boy-shut-down-again-hopefully-/

    Has anyone on the left acknowledged being wrong about this?

  347. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The inner party brought him back.

  348. @Bardon Kaldian


    Also, those changes which show a decline of the Western world- mass immigration of very different & unassimilable “immigrants”, low birth-rate of educated people, loss of religiosity, loony feminism, SJWism, … are not planned anywhere

    Most or all of those things — especially the first — are very much due to conscious planning.
     

    I think this is a good place to clear the issue & to show where I stand (contrary to most people's opinion here).

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 there was no intention to "make America non-white through immigration". It was supposed that immigration currents would be such that most immigrants would, anyway, come from white European & Europe-derived countries and that white America will have remained 80-85% of the US in any foreseeable future.

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites. Period. No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60's, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable "others" to move in & gain citizenship.

    The same goes with Britain, Windrush generation & later mass influx of Pakistanis & Indians. Orwell, however magnanimous & free of prejudice, would have never imagined that his England will have been flooded by various blacks, Muslims & other ex-colonials, making his homeland unrecognizable. He considered the English people too insular & patriotic to abide even with French or Spanish, while living side by side with masses of Jamaicans, Nigerians, Saudis, Bengalis or Chinese would have been simply unimaginable to him.

    There are, basically, two chief motives for types of behavior which may turn out to be destructive for the status quo (or for the very being of a national-religious-cultural group):

    1. profit (hence mass importation of African slaves in the 18th C; also, rapid industrialization of the US at the end of the 19th C, making America less WASPy through mass immigration. There had not been some secret plan by Carnegie, Melon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, DuPont, .... to make America more south- and east European; they just wanted quick profit).

    2. cultural climate & the prevalence of dominant ideas. Now, in the affluent West, the dominant narrative is- differing from country to country, but very present in Anglosphere & the Northern Europe- a cartoon "ideology" of the New Left:

    * Western civilization-cancer, imperialism,
    * Women oppressed
    * White men patriarchy, racism, colonization & genocide
    * free sex & sexual promiscuity desirable
    * nuclear family bad, father role pernicious
    * white working class the enemy, black & brown underclass cool & the future
    * nations enemies, national identity the enemy
    * Islam cool, African cool, Indians cool, …
    * Christianity = genocide, guilt, exploitation
    * rationality & high western culture- the enemy...
    * miscegenation good because it leads to extinction of genocidal white race
    * legalization of drugs of paramount importance
    * gays & other sexual minorities something extremely important
    * natural human relations are bad (family, people, tribe, …)
    * human beings- replaceable
    .....

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60's. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, "planned"; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions of these societies at the particular point of history (social, economic, cultural, ...).

    The same goes for lower birth rate, feminism etc.

    No one has foreseen mass travel, legal loopholes, big numbers of foreign students, soon to come miscegenation with blacks during Countercultural 60’s, the very possibility of truly different population growth in various parts of the world & mental framework which will have enabled masses of unassimilable “others” to move in & gain citizenship.

    Bullshit. One doesn’t have to perfectly predict a precise ‘parade of horrors’ to know trouble is coming if not thwarted. In fact, the danger of most of what you write above was foreseen, in works influential and popular:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passing_of_the_Great_Race

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rising_Tide_of_Color_Against_White_World-Supremacy

    In such instances like Hart Cellar Act of 1965 …

    This act was simply a sign that US is in the camp of civilized democratic world that does not racially discriminate against non-whites.

    “Civilized” in the above sense according to who? You? What could be more civilized than a pro-Anglo-Saxon establishment keeping out “wretched refuse” and thwarting the boosters of said refuse?

    Ah, but we know who had a problem with that, and who tirelessly, over decades, conspired to engineer your cited allegedly innocent “simple sign”:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-the-subway-why-new-york-city-is-so-hard-hit/#comment-3829305

    The conspiracy (see bullet-point definition below) ride never ends:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-is-philadelphia-not-much-like-new-york-city/#comment-3827518 (#239)

    a cartoon “ideology” of the New Left …

    This world-view is, of course, perversity enthroned. But- such were mental frameworks that led to Chinese Cultural Revolution or the Countercultural 60’s. Only parts of these processes were, to a degree, “planned”; virtually all of them had been, on the other hand, perfectly natural convulsions

    No. Heavy toxic cultural “viral load” can be dangerous to otherwise robust societies. One thing that gets rediscovered from time to time: Some groups are correctly identified as incorrigible, relentless “super-spreaders” and one day, for no reason at all, “Here there is no why.” Cue the sad violin soundtrack.

    New Oxford American Dictionary:

    conspire |kənˈspīr|
    verb [ no obj. ]

    make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act: they conspired against him | they deny conspiring to defraud the Internal Revenue Service.

    (((of events or circumstances))) seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone’s detriment: everything conspires to exacerbate the situation.

    ORIGIN late Middle English: from Old French conspirer, from Latin ‘agree, plot,’ from con- ‘together with’ + spirare ‘breathe.’

    In short: If underminers and schemers are breathing together (i.e., communicating) they are by definition conspiring: A conspiracy need not be totally secret (as conspiracy ‘debunkers’ would attempt to claim), it merely needs to be nefarious, deceptive, and concerted.

    Thus the Hart-Cellar Act (along with similar post-1924 acts), qualifies as being one result of a long-running conspiracy.

    • Replies: @utu
    Napoleon's emancipation of Jews was driven by the ideology that Jews should be acculturated and assimilated and become French citizens according to the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen. This came at cost that many Jews were not willing or not ready yet to bear: like serving in military, abandoning involvement in usury, accepting mixed marriage. The rabbis were opposed to it as their power would be diminished and Jewish traditions and customs would be undermined. I think this is an example where the social change is driven from the top and precedes the general Zeitgeist unlike in the belief of people like Kaldian for whom the Zeitgeist comes from the socio-economic trends that drive the aspirations of people. The elites act in their self-interest which however must be framed in universal philosophical principles that have an appeal for the masses.
    , @Lot
    Hart Cellar was passed by a huge majority. Only two senate no votes outside of the South, 1 of the 2 senators of NH and AZ.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/89-1965/s232

    Calling it the work of a Jewish conspiracy requires an explanation of how the Jews got to the GOP senators of, eg, Nebraska, Idaho, and Kansas.
    , @Bardon Kaldian
    You've only - I hope- lowered levels of your frustrations & stress, without addressing anything I'd written.
  349. @Paleo Liberal
    I may be wrong, but I gather Eleanor Roosevelt was one of the people who wanted to get rid of Henry Wallace. She may have had some influence on her husband.

    It is interesting to see what the Kennedy family thought of Wallace. When JFK Jr was alive he had a magazine called George. Once George Magazine had an article about the worst VPs in American history, with Aaron Burr taking the low spot, of course. Wallace was ranked not far above Burr.

    Would’ve thought LBJ would be bringing up the rear.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    Seriously.
  350. @Paleo Liberal
    I may be wrong, but I gather Eleanor Roosevelt was one of the people who wanted to get rid of Henry Wallace. She may have had some influence on her husband.

    It is interesting to see what the Kennedy family thought of Wallace. When JFK Jr was alive he had a magazine called George. Once George Magazine had an article about the worst VPs in American history, with Aaron Burr taking the low spot, of course. Wallace was ranked not far above Burr.

    “Eleanor Roosevelt was one of the people who wanted to get rid of Henry Wallace”

    Not in 1944 according to this article in New Yorker:

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/10/14/uncommon-man
    Many of Wallace’s admirers were crestfallen to see him caught up in this doctrinaire machine. They accepted the presence of Communists in the campaign, but hated their bullying tactics. “I will work with Communists,” one Minnesota progressive said. “I will not work for them or under their domination.” The ranks of the disenchanted included Eleanor Roosevelt, who had vigorously supported Wallace in 1944. Now she compared him to Neville Chamberlain.

  351. @JohnnyWalker123
    Do you have any views on the strange death of Stalin?

    Was it in any way related to the Doctors' plot and a secret backroom deal made by Khruschev?

    Do you have any views on the strange death of Stalin?

    Was it in any way related to the Doctors’ plot and a secret backroom deal made by Khruschev?

    Hard to say. Maybe Stalin died in a conspiracy and maybe not. I’ve certainly read some of the speculation, but I don’t think there’s any solid evidence.

    • Replies: @utu
    January 13, 1953: Tass announced the discovery of a terrorist group of poisoning doctors
    February 8, 1953: Pravda published the names of Jewish saboteurs etc.
    February 11, 1953: the USSR severed diplomatic relations with Israel
    End of February, 1953: rumors went around Moscow that the Jews were to be deported to Siberia with
    March 5 rumored to be the date when this would happen
    March 1, 1953: Purim
    March 1: 1953: Stalin suddenly paralyzed
    March 5, 1953: Stalin declared dead
    March 9: Stalin's funeral
    April 3: Kremlin doctors freed
    http://mailstar.net/death-of-stalin.html
    , @anon
    Michael Polanyi had an interesting essay that touched on this topic.
    Why wasn't Stalin assassinated during all his years of terror when everyone around him must have feared him and wanted him dead? Why didn't a small group get together and kill him?
    The answer is that the size of the Soviet bureaucracy made it impossible to organize an effective conspiracy. If you are a high level Soviet leader and want Stalin dead, you have to fear dozens of functionaries around you who could turn you in. Many thousands in postions of power across the country will still be loyal to Stalin, if only out of fear. No one knows who to trust.
    Polyani compares this to the relative ease which Mr. Christansen organized a conspiracy against Captain Blye. On a small ship with a small crew, Christiansen only had to secure the support of a few key players, and the rest would go along. With a small crew it was possible to know every personality on ship and make the right moves.
  352. Hey Steve and other commentators,

    Can you explain why Rita Wilson, Tom Hanks wife, suddenly came out against Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine?

    Even though she and her husband took it?

    Do you think she got a phone call in the middle of the night? Or maybe was invited over to a dinner where it was made clear she needed to publicly renounce the drug that broke her own 102 fever?

    I go with Middle-of-the-Night Phonecall with a threat attached…

  353. @Corvinus
    "The best example is immigration – by changes in the law and massive propaganda, Western peoples have been led to accept as normal their own population replacement, since 1965."

    "Western peoples" is your characterization. I would say the majority of Americans view themselves not in that vein. Moreover, it wasn't propaganda. More like individuals making their own decisions based on their experiences and preferences, which is in direct opposition to your own world view. Which is fine, by the way.

    In addition, I would also venture to say that normies generally do not take hold of this "population replacement" theory. But, for the sake of argument, let's dig a bit deeper here on that point. You do realize that **nativists, aka WASPS, aka Heritage Americans**, believed that their own existence was being jeopardized in the late 1800's/early 1900's by waves of alien peoples (see Eastern/Southern Europe). Is your own heritage of Italian, Greek, Russian, or Polish stock, for example? If yes, well, your ancestors were other than welcome here. Why, you may ask? They were other than capable of understanding the values of "western peoples", according to nativist propaganda of the time period.

    Would you be of the mindset that they** were correct in their assessment? Why?

    You do realize that **nativists, aka WASPS, aka Heritage Americans**, believed that their own existence was being jeopardized in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s by waves of alien peoples (see Eastern/Southern Europe).

    Would you be of the mindset that they** were correct in their assessment? Why?

    Of course they were correct: We had more than enough Eastern/Southern Europeans and Jews in America by 1924. Today, there is no need for immigration to the US from anywhere at all, excepting perhaps a few useful medical/technical-field ‘geniuses’, and their immediate families, from whatever country.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    "Of course they were correct: We had more than enough Eastern/Southern Europeans and Jews in America by 1924."

    We, meaning WASPs like yourself? Except the problem is that Eastern/Southern Europeans and most like Jews are white. So why on earth would you support discriminatory measures against your fellow white brethren? Furthermore, how are certain there were "enough" at that time? Were Eastern/Southern Europeans (gasp) responsible for "population replacement"?

  354. @R.G. Camara

    Tech guys are more likely to be concerned about brains than outer beauty.

     

    Yeah, no. It's just that women in tech are usually uglier women, and because there so few women in tech that a 5 becomes a 10. And tech guys are notoriously socially awkward and don't go out or know how to socialize, so any woman in the vicinity showing even a modicum of interest in them has them on a leash in seconds.

    Smart, plain women who can do a bit of math or code know that in Silicon Valley their constant proximity to all those awkward nerds makes them the queen bees. Unless the guy leaves the tech world and starts being more gregarious (Elon Musk or Mark Cuban).

    Hot women don't need to climb the Silicon Valley ladder. They can just wait until there's a a tech billionaire out at a party they're at and grab him. The problem is most tech billionaires are too awkward to go out.

    Stacey Keibler never had to learn to code to get a rich tech guy. She just showed up looking like Stacey Keibler---and friend zoned the geek until her eggs were getting scarce. Poof! Now she's set for life.

    The idea that tech guys are more concerned with brains in their brides is silly. They are men.

    You must not know any tech guys if you think Keibler’s husband is a “geek:”

    He runs a shady online ad company that got deregistered a year ago. Of course, you’re right that tech guys are awkward and care about looks too, but my impression is that many care a lot about brains too.

  355. @Mr. Anon
    That makes the Millenials look even worse than the Boomers.

    If they're complaining that Boomers are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent the COVID-19 apocalypse, wait until their kids (assuming they have any) start complaining that they (Millenials) are keeping them locked in a pod to prevent some bogus climate-change apocalypse.

    Fate has revenge in store for you - your own children.

    That makes the Millenials look even worse than the Boomers.

    If they’re complaining that Boomers are keeping them locked in a pod

    Even pre-Corona, Millenials were pod people. If not for Boomer parents, they might not leave the house at all.

    Fate has revenge in store for you – your own children.

    LOL.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    Well, if you don't have any money or friends, and little realistic chance of getting any, what's the point of going out?

    Actually, it's more important than ever to go out and remind yourself you are human, but try explaining this to a clinically depressed NEET.