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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:
The hubbub over last week’s election in Israel is another reminder of why the Democrats have pinned all their 2016 hopes on Hillary Clinton. The Democrats are planning a coronation rather than a competitive donnybrook (like the one the Republicans seem to be ginning up) because a genuine battle in the primaries would expose the intraparty acrimony inherent in the Democrats being the Coalition of the Fringes. In particular, getting most Democrats to assume upfront that Hillary is inarguably the rightful heir to the throne in 2016 should paper over for four or, ideally, eight years the looming Democratic crack-up over Israel and Jews.
While not very significant as a voting bloc anymore, Jews have long furnished the Democrats with much of the Party’s campaign funds and media muscle. But a massive long-run problem for Democrats is that American Jews tend to be liberal about America but conservative about Israel. … As Israel comes ever more out of the closet as the successful right wing nationalist state that it is, that creates a massive PR problem for American Democrats.
Read the whole thing there.
O/T
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/24/blair-s-cash-lust-driven-by-clinton-envy.html
Is it Clinton envy that he shagged Murdoch’s wife #3???
OT: “Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had a cumulative college GPA of 1.094 and enrolled in an “Intro to Ethics” class the same semester of the attack.”
He would have been happier in his own culture, doing things that he can be good at. But liberalism intervened…
[Logic would suggest that white gentile conservatives should instead demand of Israel’s Jewish backers that they use their media power to shift the Overton Window of respectable discourse to allow American citizens to achieve the same protections from excessive immigration that Israeli citizens enjoy.]
The trouble starts with the word “demand”. Demanding something of an influential Jew already makes you an “anti-Semite”, because you have noticed his Jewishness and his influence in a context other than unqualified praise. Furthermore, any demand implies a threat, however mild, and that is even worse.
If you are new here??? You need to post at the UNZ review more often!!!
Here is what I believe what powerful Jews see as much more likely:
The Neocons and Israel are only a couple of years away from engineering the US into a war with Iran regardless of what party wins the election in 2016, but especially if any Republican is elected. The best trigger for that war will be another major domestic terrorist attack that can conveniently blamed on Tehran. The goal here is simply spreading further chaos in the middle east requiring a permanent US boots on the ground presence and a no questions asked climate of patriotism at home. Meanwhile the US and European borders must remain open so as to facilitate the flood of more potential terrorists and refugees.
Since Two State Solution is officially dead, the next move is to officially annex the West Bank while giving Palestinians every financial incentive to leave Israel while the getting is good. The Arabs and Christians who don't take the hint are going to be forcefully pressured to leave the West Bank and Israel proper a few years down the road. Once the Arab numbers significantly decline the remainder will be simply expelled Again the US and European borders must remain open so as to facilitate the flood of Palestinian emigrants and later refugees. Sure left wing Jews will make a minor fuss that Israel will become outwardly ethnocentric and the pretense to being a liberal Democracy will have evaporated. But it is taken as a given they will quickly fall into line if it ultimately means an expanded Israel that controls it own borders and is more demographically secure. Nothing I am stating here has not been promulgated as Likud party platform goals.
In the meantime Jews in Europe and USA have every intention of passing hate speech and hate crime laws that they believe will effectively neuter the BDS movement. While Jews will be granted "super citizenship" that will make life for them more than tolerable until increasingly more Zionist territory is acquired. Conditions for Non-Jewish white Europeans and Americans may decline significantly but Jews don't care about them as long as the Jews will be protected. Once again keeping the borders open is key to making this happen.
Whites are only a 3-4 election cycles from being permanently rendered minorities in their homelands and in the countries they settled. That is what Jews on both the left and right want and they are not going to just let anybody simply "demand" that they change their plans. Besides Open Borders are making Jews super rich at the expense of their only possible opposition the educated middle class that identifies with the historical American nation. For this to happen the Borders must remain Open!!!
Last, Jews look at how easy it has been for them to manipulate the Christian Dispensationalist Goyim and laugh at the idea that NAMs can ever cause them trouble. They already fund NAACP and La Raza and hundreds of other Open Borders and identity politics groups. They have no reason to fear a Democratic coalition of the fringes as long as they are the puppet masters and control the media. The more NAMs the better, they are after all the best cudgel to keep the white Christian goyim in line. The Borders will remain Open!!!
In short everything is going the Jews way, and 90%+ of whites in the USA and Europe are clueless as to who is pulling the strings.
In short being polite and simply asking or even "demanding" some change in course from TWMNBN will accomplish nothing except still getting you labeled an anti-semite.
Jews I speak with are always interested to learn that anti-Semitism is 600% higher among U.S. NAMs than among Whites and Asians:
I find it to be actually easier to convince Jews of this stuff because their history makes them more capable of being paranoid about their survival.
Michael Douglass and his son surely had an awakening when a Muslim immigrant cursed them out on a European vacation.
I think any major ethnic group in the US tends in some way to keep operating like they're in the old country, even a century or more later. Nordic-Americans lean towards progressive welfare state policies, as if they're still in a highly homogenous, high-trust population (and hence Milwaukee blacks are the most criminal in the country). Italian-Americans remain clannish in business, preferring to deal with family, as if they're still in a country with a corrupt legal system.
Jewish-Americans, most of whom's families immigrated from Tsarist Russia, still operate with the belief that old, rich conservative aristocrats want to kill them, by fanning the flames of populist pogroms. Of course this is absolutely true in Romanov Russia, where Orthodoxization was a cornerstone policy of solidifying the power of the weak state. The liberal urban intelligentsia, who make up the intellectual core of the left, are your natural ally.
But nothing could be further from the truth in the US, where surveys show that old, rich, white conservatives are by far the most pro-semitic demographic. It's pretty much been this way for a long time. Even in 1850 the most pro-semitic group was probably wealthy plantation owners. If there's any natural wellspring of anti-semitism in this country it's almost certainly firmly entrenched in "Obama's nation", among the young, multi-cultural, low-income groups that generally fall outside the American core.
I also don't believe that "12% of Americans hold deeply entrenched anti-Semitic views."
Here is the poll, with 6+ yes answers making you an "antisemite" according to ADL:
Jews stick together more than other Americans.
Jews always like to be at the head of things.
Jews are more loyal to Israel than America.
Jews have too much power in the U.S. today.
Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.
Jews have too much power in the business world.
Jews have a lot of irritating faults.
Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
Jewish business people are so shrewd that others don’t have a fair chance at competition.
Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.
Jews are (not) just as honest as other business people
There's a big difference between feeling actual antipathy toward a group and giving "Yes" answers when asked if you agree with a mildly negative statement about a group. I can also see why they seem to get negative answers from NAMs, since the questions focus on resentment of Jewish economic success, and NAM resentment of Jewish success is just a proxy for their resentment of white success.
I'm not trying to be critical here, I just don't think that "Mexicans are anti-semetic" is even on the top 10 list of reasons to restrict Mexican immigration, both as a factual and political matter, even for Jews.
In my view, the best arguments politically center around concerns about crowded schools, mismatch between unskilled immigrants and high-skill economy, unfairness to American citizens who are out of work and looking for a job, and the burden on hospitals.
These are all things that regular Americans can identify with and can be expressed without seeming racist to swing voter types. (You can never oppose immigration without being racist according to the far left of course, so no point in trying.)
He would have been happier in his own culture, doing things that he can be good at. But liberalism intervened...Replies: @Anonymous
I thought this is what he was doing. He turned to murdering Jews in Waltham and building bombs to kill innocent people enjoying the day. For Chechens this is considered turning your life around.
This talk of a bargain between gentile nationalists and Zionists seems more relevant to Europe than to the United States. In fact, it may already be happening there.
I would only add that, in addition to immigration, our current free trade policies vis-a-vis China and other low-wage countries be on the table. In fact the Jewish American establishment needs to be seen as the friend of “labor” (how old fashioned that sounds!) all across the board. Fortunately labor comes in all colors so it’s not about race.
RE: Rising awareness of Jewish power and influence ,
Seems to me that Jewish elites think that indoctrination will solve the problem:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/03/how_can_we_help_jew_s_stay_in_europe_despite_anti_semitism_jeffrey_goldberg.html
In other words, use the Holocaust (Hitler’s great gift to the Zionist project) to full advantage.
Of course, some Jews have noticed that certain groups (Blacks, Muslims, etc) seem oddly immune to the spectre of the Holocaust.Indeed, in some cases they actually seem downright hostile. A colleague of mine (she teaches an undergrad class on literature and racism) has noted to me that Blacks in her class get rather surly when the Holocaust totems are introduced: Anne Frank, Schindler’s List, Wiesel’s Night, etc. To them, the Holocaust narrative is White Privilege in action.White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.
The truth is that it is only jewish corpses that are "enduring symbols of martyrdom," while all Gentile corpses are footnotes.
70 million Gentiles killed in WW2, compared to 5 million jews. Yet only the loss of the latter is THE holocaust.
wont work. by supporting la raza amnesty, they (jewish americans) expect latinos to support israeli jews right to move to the USA in return just in case israel gets wiped of the face of the earth by iran’s nuke.
Our local thrift shop dropped a cool $800 to the police department to buy earbuds and lapel mikes. And another local business raised $1000 to buy breathing apparatus for the firemen. It was all printed up in the local paper. Democracy at work, I guess.
Whereas our White elites believe that racial treason is the highest virtue….
Nationalism for me but not for thee…..
The takeaway? Supporting Jewish supremacy in Israel is doubleplusgood. Supporting a European majority USA? Crimethink. Can anyone imagine Bill Gates donating to VDARE?
They only disagree on insignificant stuff.On the important things (Israel, mass immigration to the USA) , they are in total accord.
They burst out of their worthless (until 1938) peninsula the day before yesterday to rob other peoples of land surpassing Canada in area, then force them at swordpoint to adopt the new overlords' religion and even their names.
And we're supposed to deal with such characters? How'd that work out for the Maronites? The Assyrians? The Copts?
You can either have Israel or you can have massive immigration into Europe. You cannot have both.
But you don’t have anybody to deliver on your side of the bargain. All the billionaires of all persuasions are for massive immigration and cheap labor, even the Walton Clan, so far as I know. You’re asking Israel to throw itself into a buzz and arouse the active hostility of the entire American business class, in return for the support of Tom Tancredo and maybe Jeff Sessions. Why should they bother? And more to the point, why should they do your job for you? The job of forming an anti-immigration party that is effective surely is a job that Americans can and must do themselves.
Or: get yourself your own billionaires first; then talk.
Seems to me that Jewish elites think that indoctrination will solve the problem:http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/03/how_can_we_help_jew_s_stay_in_europe_despite_anti_semitism_jeffrey_goldberg.html
In other words, use the Holocaust (Hitler's great gift to the Zionist project) to full advantage.
Of course, some Jews have noticed that certain groups (Blacks, Muslims, etc) seem oddly immune to the spectre of the Holocaust.Indeed, in some cases they actually seem downright hostile. A colleague of mine (she teaches an undergrad class on literature and racism) has noted to me that Blacks in her class get rather surly when the Holocaust totems are introduced: Anne Frank, Schindler's List, Wiesel's Night, etc. To them, the Holocaust narrative is White Privilege in action.White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Hersh
White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.
The truth is that it is only jewish corpses that are “enduring symbols of martyrdom,” while all Gentile corpses are footnotes.
70 million Gentiles killed in WW2, compared to 5 million jews. Yet only the loss of the latter is THE holocaust.
I usually enjoy your “pulling topics out of a top hat” approach, but it doesn’t always stand up to reading a second time.
The underlying point, if I ferreted it out correctly, is that American Jewish billionaires will get less enthusiastic about harming America with Mexican immigration because in Europe, Muslim immigration is giving the Jews a hard time.
I’m not sure why you think their thought process would go like that. I’d say that if are are devious enough to hold two contradictory political ideals between Israel and America, you’d just easily be capable of holding *three*.
Mass immigration in America because diversity is strength. Also, slavery.
Controlled immigration in Europe because Muslims are like Hitler now we think about it.
No immigration in Israel because we can.
But Israel has an unwritten rule that it would be racial treason for a Jewish coalition to form a governing majority using Arabs, so Arab voters don’t really count in determining who gets to be prime minister.
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No, minorities lists associated with the Labor Party were part of parliamentary majorities prior to 1977 and the Druze population has been a notable component of the electoral base of some parties (e.g. Shas). Since that time, Arabs in parliament have generally been found in the caucuses of communist or Arab nationalist parties only loyal to the state in adherence to law.
It isn’t racial treason. Cabinet ministers have access to classified information. Some Arab politicians cannot be trusted and some would be put under considerable pressure by collateral relatives, &c.
Just won’t happen, Steve.
The USA can no longer be described as real blood and soil nation founded by a real genetic homogenous population. The Wasps gave up the ghost years ago, the Act of 1924 was their last hurrah and attempt to hang on to their country. Thus came Hart-Cellar and the utter ruination of Kennedy/Johnson. There’s just no getting away from that, it’s a done deal. Time to grow up and face up to it. The chance to do anything about it passed with the old jowlhound himself.
Look, the forces arranged against you are just too massive, too powerful and too overwhelming. The fact that ‘Hispanics’ multiplied their numbers 20 fold in 60 years should tell you that – and subcontinental immigration to the USA has only now started in earnest. Believe you me, *that* will make the mex deluge look like the proverbial vicarage tea party, complete with bucktoothed, absurd, buffoon C of E parson, the old bag blue rinse brigade, crust less cucumber sandwiches, Earl Grey and Battenberg cake. And then *will* come the sub Saharans, what? All 9 billion of them.
Now, let’s all link arms for another round of Berkeley kumbaya, denounce the white privilege, and praise the yoni.
If you believed what you have written you would have already taken your bow and shuffled off this mortal coil. Instead you work to drain the energy of those who can and enervate those who would. Are you for us or against us? If you are for us, then stop 'helping' us.
Steve you got the election math a little off. The arab party won 13 seats, not 14, and the leftwing jewish parties won 40 seats, not 39.
A massive long run problem for America is that American gentiles are far more zealous defenders of Jews and Israel than they are of America and Americans. If people like Walter Russell Mead were even half as concerned about the American people as they are about the Jewish people, then it simply would not matter what positions American Jews had.
I don’t understand how this deal is supposed to work. Who are you supposed to make a deal with, the Elders of Zion? Who will serve as the bargaining representative of the Gentiles? The president of Skull and Bones? Will they meet in a secret room under the Washington Monument and seal their pact in blood?
The Israeli government certainly doesn’t want to get involved in American domestic politics, and those here would (rightly) be the first to denounce it if they did. Israel has the immigration policy that it wants, selected for it by their own elected representatives and America has the immigration policy that it (apparently) wants, selected for it by its OWN elected representatives including its current 2 term President. American voter COULD have rejected Obama and his policies, especially in his 2nd term, but they didn’t want to. That’s how the chips fall in a democracy.
And as Steve points out, Jews constitute less than 2% of American voters while white Christians still constitute the vast majority (not to mention blacks who really have nothing to gain and much to lose from immigration). If y’all don’t want immigration, then what’s stopping you? Do you REALLY need the Jews’ help this time? We know that you couldn’t have managed nuclear weapons without the Jews but that was a long time ago and the Jews have lost a lot of vitality since then – the current generation is becoming more assimilated and less Jewish, both in blood and culture, so don’t expect any fresh batches of Feynmans. It’s true that Jews still make up a disproportionate fraction of smart/rich people but even if they are 1/4 to 1/3 of influential Americans, that still leaves 2/3+ of wealth/influence in Gentile hands. C’mon goyim, you can do this yourself this time. Get your act together. Is MORE Jewish influence really what you want? Remember that when you ask the Godfather for a favor, you are indebted to him and he may call in his chit at any time. If you do this yourself, you won’t owe anyone any favors.
more poppycock from folks who had to switch to Poly Sci because they couldn’t get through Calculus 101.
The cultural Marxist flavor of yids has never been in charge of the zoo. Not in North America, not in Israel.
Haim Saban’s grandchildren aren’t in La Raza Youth; they’re in Shevet Chen, trying to make sure they can get into an fast-track-to-success outfit like Unit 8200, or the Engineering Academists program.
The Cultural Marxist enterprise (prototype: Mattress Girl) is most certainly yid-enhanced, but those people are about as influential as Jesse Jackson Junior is. Right now, they are in severe panic mode about Hillary’s gmail-gate problem. Mattress Girl isn’t ever going to be put in charge of people who hold badges and guns. Sabrina Rubin Erdely was driven into hiding.
It’s a depressing idea that the great mass of whites out there have to go searching for allies to enable them to do what they’re supposed to be doing for themselves in the first place. Do we have to prove our love first by going to war with Iran? How do we know they’ll reciprocate? People are out for themselves to begin with, it might be thanks for all you’ve done but goodbye.
It would be racial treason for anybody, anywhere, to form a “governing coalition” with Arabs.
They burst out of their worthless (until 1938) peninsula the day before yesterday to rob other peoples of land surpassing Canada in area, then force them at swordpoint to adopt the new overlords’ religion and even their names.
And we’re supposed to deal with such characters? How’d that work out for the Maronites? The Assyrians? The Copts?
>> On the important things (Israel, mass immigration to the USA) , they are in total accord.
I am not aware of EVIDENCE that Shelly is a USA-open-borders guy. His wife gives LOTS of interviews to the Hebrew press stringers in Vegas; this topic never comes up whatsoever.
The Israelis with money aren’t looking for cheap Mexican househelp; they prefer Au Pairs from TelAviv. They DO NOT want their kids to grow up with an “Anglo” accent on their Hebrew, it’s bad for passing the gibbush into an elite unit in the IDF.
This is all over the Israeli-moms-Hebrew-blogosphere in California and metro-NYC. They are very open about it.
Hilariously, on the Israeli side, it’s the filipina caregivers who are carefully passed around from family to family. Israelis know better than to hire Jewish girls to take care of elderly parents or grandparents.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/opinion/sheldon-adelson-warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-immigration-reform.html?_r=0
Rather hard to imagine Adelson signing off on something like that in Israel....Why would it? They know what her answer would be:"America is a nation of immigrants.Support for immigration is a Jewish value., etc"On the other hand, Mexicans make great gardeners and docile cleaning staff at casinos.
Mandatory E-Verify, and a Smoldering Radioactive Crater Where Iran Used to Be
Vote Netanyahu/Cruz 2016
Michael Douglass and his son surely had an awakening when a Muslim immigrant cursed them out on a European vacation.Replies: @Doug, @Lot
> Jews I speak with are always interested to learn that anti-Semitism is 600% higher among U.S. NAMs than among Whites and Asians.
I think any major ethnic group in the US tends in some way to keep operating like they’re in the old country, even a century or more later. Nordic-Americans lean towards progressive welfare state policies, as if they’re still in a highly homogenous, high-trust population (and hence Milwaukee blacks are the most criminal in the country). Italian-Americans remain clannish in business, preferring to deal with family, as if they’re still in a country with a corrupt legal system.
Jewish-Americans, most of whom’s families immigrated from Tsarist Russia, still operate with the belief that old, rich conservative aristocrats want to kill them, by fanning the flames of populist pogroms. Of course this is absolutely true in Romanov Russia, where Orthodoxization was a cornerstone policy of solidifying the power of the weak state. The liberal urban intelligentsia, who make up the intellectual core of the left, are your natural ally.
But nothing could be further from the truth in the US, where surveys show that old, rich, white conservatives are by far the most pro-semitic demographic. It’s pretty much been this way for a long time. Even in 1850 the most pro-semitic group was probably wealthy plantation owners. If there’s any natural wellspring of anti-semitism in this country it’s almost certainly firmly entrenched in “Obama’s nation”, among the young, multi-cultural, low-income groups that generally fall outside the American core.
Why would they want to make this compromise? It is less than they have now, without any compromise at all. They don’t need us. They also have millions of evangelical Christian heretics that literally worship them.
90 years ago Winston Churchill wrote that the struggle for the soul of the Jewish people was between Zionism and Bolshevism. American Jews are mostly Bolshevism, they couldn’t care less about Israel, actually, they wouldn’t be bothered if all those Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews who keep voting on Likud just went gone to the seas like Nasser promised. They didn’t care when Hitler killed the Orthodox Jews from Poland either and they were closer to them than to most Israeli Jews.
What about the white elites who all seem to support open borders. From the Chambers of Commerce, major economists, think tanks, service industry and small business owners. It’s really hard to find anyone who is in business who doesn’t support illegal immigration.
And about “free trade” – NAFTA and PNTR with China, these pacts have devastated the country economically and socially. Not to mention creating a class of permanent and underemployed unemployed whites that number into the millions. And oh yeah, making sure kids out of college can’t find decent paying jobs because we shipped them to China or imported a bunch of Bombay specials to take their jobs.
In short before we start hammering the Jews we better damn well start hammering the white business and money classes who are backing this traitorous crap.
Not right.
First, the Arab parties were willing to join the liberal coalition for the sole purpose of getting them into power and passing budgets, but not actually join in the sense of getting their fair share of cabinet positions and agreeing to party discipline. That’s still, de facto, being part of a governing majority. The willingness of the left parties to do this might be what killed them in the last election.
It is also wrong it that the reason for this goes two-ways. The Israeli-Arab parties have a non-negotiable position favoring “right of return” and the redivision of Jerusalem, something that more than 90% of Israeli Jews oppose. One of the small “Arab” parties has both Arab and Jew members and is less extreme in its positions, and probably would be a full member of the coalition if it ever became large enough.
This is wrong too. Irgun was a military organization with ranks, organizations, discipline, etc. At most, a small part of its activity, for a small part of its existence, can be described as “terrorist.” I would not even go that far. For example, the bombing of the King David “Hotel” was actually a legitimate military target, as it housed the headquarters of the British military, which at the time was following an Arabist line (1) barring sales of land to Jews (2) restricting Jewish immigration to Israel (3) support an extremely favorable settlement of to Arabs of the Mandate of Palestine.
Notwithstanding your attempt to use parentheses to somehow alter reality, The King David Hotel was in fact a hotel. And no, it was not a legitimate military target. That the Irgun thought it was and that you agree says something about the Irgun and about you, but it does not in any way alter the fact that the bombing of the hotel (with 91 murdered therein) was an act of terrorism.Replies: @Lot
Unfortunately these people are incredibly successful, and don’t think they need us. The original leader of the Israeli far right during WW2, Avrham Stern, thought the Poles were worse anti-Semites than the Nazis. The old hatreds still burn bright.
[Logic would suggest that white gentile conservatives should instead demand of Israel’s Jewish backers that they use their media power to shift the Overton Window of respectable discourse to allow American citizens to achieve the same protections from excessive immigration that Israeli citizens enjoy.]
Your proposal may be logical Steve, but it is in no way feasible. I remember reading an article years ago (wish I could find it, but I haven’t been able to) that mentioned a Jewish woman married to a gentile husband. If memory serves, the husband was of Christian background but not at all religious, and his only nod to his nominally Christian upbringing was to purchase and display a Christmas tree every holiday season. Well, I’m sure you can imagine the wailing, rending of garments, and gnashing of teeth this caused with the wife. In fact, the article quoted her as saying something along the lines of “Every time I see a Christmas tree, I see a potential Holocaust” – I kid you not. Anyway, do you see any possibility of any kind of logical discourse with people like these? And especially with us approaching them as “white gentile conservatives”? Dream on, ain’t happening.
We had a tiny little Christmas tree with ornaments (hey, it was NYC). We had a small little menorah.
No gnashing of teeth on either side.Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
Who, exactly, would be making this offer? I can’t see W, Jeb, Mitch, or Boehner doing it. Wouldn’t it be easier to knock out the 15% of GOP house members and 30% of its Senators that favor a “path to citizenship” in primaries be a simpler task than gaining the support of mostly liberal Jews?
Okay…
how would this bargaining begin?
The deal would be: ‘white cons would support Israel IF American Jews will support end of massive immigration’.
There are two elements to white cons.
1. Elites and politicians.
2. The masses.
Elites and politicians are vetted and screened early on by AIPAC. The likes of Ron Paul almost have no chance of making it in politics. Also, to rise in government bureaucracy, academia, media, Wall Street, and etc. you have to be philosemitic.
So, the ‘offer that Jews can’t refuse’ isn’t going to come from white con elites since most have been bought and sold by Jewish power from the outset.
What about the masses? Masses are dummies. They are sheeple. They get their ideas from Fox News and Talk Radio. Fox News is totally Zionist. Talk Radio is totally Zionist. So, the masses follow along.
What about Evangelicals. Religious folks don’t think rationally or calculatingly. They believe in the Bible, and it says Jews must return to Israel, blah blah.
With white con elites and white con masses thinking/acting this way, how could they stop being whores and pose a challenge to Jews?
But by some miracle, let’s say someone like Kevin MacDonald or Jared Taylor takes over the GOP or conservative establishment. Suppose they put forth an ultimatum to Jews. If Jews continue to push for massive immigration and anti-white rhetoric, then white conservatives will drop all support of Israel and may even oppose Israel.
How will Jews react? Jews will feel that if they give into such a demand, it may embolden white conservatives to act in ‘white nationalist’ interest, and what if it grows stronger and stronger? No way Jews will accept that.
But if indeed Jews do strike a bargain with white cons, Jews will make enemies of the Rise of Color and White Liberals who will really turn on the heat on Israel. After all, blacks and white Libs tend to be a helluva lot more vocal, angry, and aggressive than white cons.
Also, as there are more white Libs in media, academia, government, urban centers(core areas of power), and etc, they can make more headache for Jews than white cons can.
Also, Jews will earn the ire of the growing Hispanic population that aint much in quality but quantity does matter in elections in places like California and increasingly Texas. If all them browns in California, the most important state in the nation, vote anti-Jewish, it’s gonna matter.
Also, Asian-Americans might turn anti-Jewish, and that might not be good for Jews either.
Now, let’s suppose the hypothetical white conservative offer — white con support for Israel in exchange for Jewish opposition to immigration — is accepted by Neocons but not Jewish Libs. Will that be enough to enact change? Most of the Jewish power and wealth is with Jewish Libs, not with Neocons. Neocons can do a lot but that not nearly as much as Jewish Libs. Indeed, if the Jewish Lib-dominated media hadn’t favored Neocons as the new face of Conservatism, Neocons wouldn’t be so influential.
This is why Jews promote the homo agenda. Homos are reliably pro-Jewish because they tend to be un-tribal about most issues. Homos all around the world feel estranged from their tribal cultures since most people are not homo and most cultures feel strange about homos. So, homos feel as homonomads. They are the ideal proxies, accomplices, and collaborators of Jews who are cosmopolitan, rootless, and global. Also, homos fear Arabs and Muslims.
Also, homos make the culture of rich and privilege seem cool and hip. So, even though ‘white privilege’ is bad, ‘homo privilege’ is wonderful, and via the justification of homo privilege, Jewish and white privilege can find a backdoor entrance of justification-by-association. White privilege as white privilege is bad… but white privilege associated with ‘homo privilege’ is good. So, in big rich gentrified cities, you got homo ‘rainbow’ flags to send the message, ‘this is progressive zone; don’t hate or boycott us’.
Homo agenda neutralizes not only conservatism but leftism. Many leftists stand for the Third World, but the Third World is anti-‘gay’. As long as Israel is seen more pro-homo than the Muslim world is, most white ‘progressives’ will feel closer to Jews and Israel.
And as homos are so chummy with rich Jews in Hollywood, Silicon Valley, Wall Street, Las Vegas, fashion industry, media, and etc. they will foremost be loyal to Jews and will not join some grubby BDS movement filled with swarthy ‘losers’.
It’s time white cons must admit reality and realize it’s over. They have no future and no chips to bargain with left.
White Ship is sinking and the rats(white elites) are getting off to save themselves.
It makes no sense for white cons to believe they are still in the game when they are not. They are mere cheerleaders and waterboys.
Depending on how you think about it, Steve dynamites his own argument (or hides his whole argument) very nicely in the above paragraph. The kind of deal-making Steve contemplates can only happen “on the other side” of anti-semitism. To be a credible negotiating partner, you have to be willing to hurt your counterparty in the event of disagreement. Willingness to hurt Jews is called “anti-semitism” in US discourse. Thus, to be a credible negotiating partner, you have to be “anti-semitic.” Put another way:
Hey, ah, Haim, I’d like to discuss the whole Mexodus thing with you. You see, the Mexodus is bad for my people. Why should I discuss this with you, Biff? Well, Haim, I think we could make a deal. You see, in return for not committing genocide against American whites, I’d be happy to deliver you massive white support for Israel, something you value. But, Biff, I already have massive white support for Israel. Yeah, but it could be taken away. How? Well, Haim, me and my buddies could put together a campaign to, like, inform the masses about how Israel mistreats Christians and how Jews are a prime mover behind the Mexodus and how Israel is an apartheid state and whatnot. But Biff, I would just call you an anti-semite and destroy you. Oh, OK, once you put it like that, Haim, I see a spot there on your shoe, would you like a shine?
You need to be proof against the charge of anti-semitism. The only way to be proof against this charge is to survive a determined effort to use this charge against you. That means lots and lots of whites have to be willing to say “Well, maybe Biff is anti-semitic, but the thing I actually care about is whether Biff is anti-white. And, he’s not.” The US is far from this point.
The other problem is that the people who are willing to stand up to Israel-firsters are almost all on the Cultural Marxist left. They *want* the Mexodus specifically and the end of the West generally. It’s their raison d’etre. They can’t negotiate with Haim, either. They are willing to stand up and be called anti-semites. They have a (small) base of support which is not bothered by the charge. But, the thing is, they don’t have any subject matter to negotiate with Haim over. They agree with him about everything but Israel. Well, maybe they could get slightly higher taxes on the rich out of him in return for knocking it off with the Israel bashing . . .
I guess if you really like conspiracy theories, you could posit that the non-Jewish part of the Cultural Marxist left is a WASP/Masonic/CIA puppet show and that, behind the scenes, they (the WASPs) really are negotiating with Haim over knocking it off with the whole genocide business.
tl;dr: Picking Bush over Buchanan in 1992 was a bad, bad plan for American whites.
GOP Jewish outreach is already working pretty well. Most NYC Jews already vote for Republicans for state and local office, at Orthodox voters extend that all the way to Congress and President. (Lion showed this a while ago, showing Mitt won Brooklyn’s Orthodox neighborhoods but no other parts of Kings County.)
Now there is a likely ceiling of secular Jewish support that corresponds to the white support that is matched demographically and spatially. In other words, how well does the GOP actually perform among metro-Boston college-educated white gentiles? I’m not sure they do comparatively worse among Boston-area Jews.
Or is he dead? I can't keep track any more. Anyway, surely he or someone just like him will be the GOP nominee the Jews will be lovin on. Maybe that sheriff guy from Arizona or New Mexico or whatever. The one who feeds his prisoners bologna sandwiches before he deports them all to Chiapas or Guatemala or NachoLibre. One of them guys will surely win a majority of Jewish support. Problem solved!
Isn't it great how pretty much all problems can be solved via the GOP winning elections! That and Jewish outreach. Can't go wrong with those two.
Gilad Atzmon recorded a wide-ranging interview on Red Ice Radio a few weeks ago http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2015/03/RIR-150306.php
Among other things, he discussed how Israelis/Jews/zionists/antii-zionists make use of identity politics — actually, attach themselves and their minority group to some other identity group in order to gain majority status, majority strength, majority cover.
Atzmon used the example of a Jewish writer Sarah Schulman who, purportedly speaking on behalf of Palestinians, wrote a book about gays in Palestine under the title, Israel/Palestine and the Queer International
How is Sailer’s proposal different from that example, and how should Americans view the oh-so-generous offer to allow Americans to define their own immigration standards in return for supporting Israeli apartheid anything other than moral blackmail?
Keep your money.
Return American representative government to the American people, not the billionaires.
Selling out is what got USA in the mess it is today.
Anyway, We’re all rooting for Jim Webb.
I like a lot of what Steve writes, but he suffers, in a peculiar and idiosyncratic way, from the same thing that the American Renaissance people do: The Great White Hope that organized Jewry can somehow be prevailed on to accept a "bargain" of some kind that preserves the primacy of European/Christian/Classical culture. Such a grand bargain could never be deemed to be "good for the Jews." Any meaningful preservation of European/Christian traditional culture will never be acceptable from the perspective of aggressive organized Jewry. Pursuing such a bargain is sheer delusion.Replies: @Anonymous, @silviosilver
Keep your money.
Return American representative government to the American people, not the billionaires.
Selling out is what got USA in the mess it is today.
Anyway, We’re all rooting for Jim Webb.
Great post.
(I do not wish to distract from it, but, merely to elaborate on one of the threads therein: something many of our own intellectuals do not seem to understand is that we are a highly moral people. We choose to do that which we think, or are led to believe, is right. The jews understand this about us. Ironically, many of our own do not. We won't be galvanized by an option that is presented as screwing someone over (in this case, the Gentiles in Palestine)..)
Changing the views of American Jews on immigration is not an easy task. While you talk about golf course membership policy a lot, this is a much bigger issue in the collective memory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_Conference
And this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis
*Although it really should be the Summer of 1941-1945, seeing as how the Germans didn't start killing Jews wholesale until the invasion of the Soviet Union.
In order to strike some sort of bargain, we would need the Israelis themselves to intervene. Sheldon Adelson and Adam (11-million-immigrants-per-year) Davidson are not going to strike a deal with the American right. They would, however, listen if the Israeli government intervened.
For example, the Israelis could refuse to allow Adelson, Davidson and other like minded Jews entry into Israel. The rationale would be simple. The Jewish State could not afford to put itself at risk by allowing entry to people who advocate for open borders. Just like the UK banned Michael Savage because of the threat they feared his views would pose to public order, Israel could not risk allowing in people whose ideas could threaten the demographic balance of the Jewish State.
It would behoove the Israelis to do this because it is in their long term interests for a strong America to be their ally. They need to convince their brethren in America that a European America is not a threat to them. After all, the same George Washington who told the Jews they would be welcome in this new nation was also the same President Washington who signed the very restrictive Naturalization Act of 1790 into law.
Once the Israelis intervened I am sure Adelson would fall in line. Can you imagine how he would feel if he were considered unwelcome in Israel? And what other way could he respond? So he raises $34 million per year for the IDF. The US gives Israel $3 billion per year that they don’ t even need. So how much leverage would $34 million get you?
No, Adelson and others would come around. I’d make book on that.
Michael Douglass and his son surely had an awakening when a Muslim immigrant cursed them out on a European vacation.Replies: @Doug, @Lot
I think Latinos are willing to respond with “anti-Semitic answers” to polls not because of any actual hostility, but more because they are less aware of political correctness.
I also don’t believe that “12% of Americans hold deeply entrenched anti-Semitic views.”
Here is the poll, with 6+ yes answers making you an “antisemite” according to ADL:
Jews stick together more than other Americans.
Jews always like to be at the head of things.
Jews are more loyal to Israel than America.
Jews have too much power in the U.S. today.
Jews have too much control and influence on Wall Street.
Jews have too much power in the business world.
Jews have a lot of irritating faults.
Jews are more willing than others to use shady practices to get what they want.
Jewish business people are so shrewd that others don’t have a fair chance at competition.
Jews don’t care what happens to anyone but their own kind.
Jews are (not) just as honest as other business people
There’s a big difference between feeling actual antipathy toward a group and giving “Yes” answers when asked if you agree with a mildly negative statement about a group. I can also see why they seem to get negative answers from NAMs, since the questions focus on resentment of Jewish economic success, and NAM resentment of Jewish success is just a proxy for their resentment of white success.
I’m not trying to be critical here, I just don’t think that “Mexicans are anti-semetic” is even on the top 10 list of reasons to restrict Mexican immigration, both as a factual and political matter, even for Jews.
In my view, the best arguments politically center around concerns about crowded schools, mismatch between unskilled immigrants and high-skill economy, unfairness to American citizens who are out of work and looking for a job, and the burden on hospitals.
These are all things that regular Americans can identify with and can be expressed without seeming racist to swing voter types. (You can never oppose immigration without being racist according to the far left of course, so no point in trying.)
This is a terrific column and proposal. I don’t have a single quarrel with what you’ve written. However, as I have been endeavoring to point out, you leave out a party essential to such a grand bargain, anti-Israel Paleo-Conservatives. In other words, no such grand bargain can hope to succeed unless Jews can be convinced they are not supposed to reach an agreement with those who view the Jewish State and its Jewish supporters in the US as “Firth Columnists” and pretty much the focus of evil in the modern world.
This is why I’ve implored that Immigration Restrictionists must make everything besides moving the immigration ball in the right direction secondary, including their intractable jihad against the Jewish State and all other oft-repeated collective calumnies about Jews.
The salient question has long been how do we explain the break or interruption of the previous pattern of periods of mass immigration inevitably followed by periods of restriction. The short but rather obvious, at least to me, answer is that with the decline of industrial labor unions there was no longer any institutional force with an economic interest in immigration restriction. It is all on the other side. Those — not you — who shout about a plan, by Jews or other “Cultural Marxists”, to destroy the country are a noisy effective distraction, and intentionally so.
You previously sort of laughed at my suggestion that Immigration Restrictionists will begin to succeed when we focus on behavior modification of billionaire and captains of industry pushing for further immigration and amnesty. But they are motivated by self-interest, not ideology. Thus they are more easily scared off the field of battle, and “Gentile Conservatives” have been equally cheap dates for corporate interests and billionaires as they have for Israel.
For the last couple of decades the only political group who do not view Americans as just another commodity whose well being and standard of living is not to be arbitraged way are the Paleo-Cons. And the only political group not to have any delusions about or to have been corrupted by TWMNBN are the Paleo-Cons.
Furthermore it was the Marxists who abandoned traditional labor unions when they did not go all in for the international revolution of the proletariat. That signalled the rise of Cultural Marxism which from its inception has been very hostile to the native white populations of the west and quite open and specific concerning its globalist agenda of electing a new people.
Last the immigration restriction movement of the 1920's was a coalition of non Marxist labor unions,(the Marxist IWW was delusionally pro Open Borders), old school Darwinian Progressives(Not the Boazian variety), white moderates and conservatives, and last most Blacks. Eastern European Jews were strongly for Open Borders then as they are today.
Now go get your shinebox!!!!Replies: @MLK
Maybe the association with the GOP is having a Clouseau effect on Israel.
Netanyahu is like Dreyfus jinxed by Clouseau.
Comparing US and Israel isn’t really fair since US is so big and Israel is so small.
There is a lot of room for new immigrants to the US whereas Israel is geographically very small.
Not that Americans should welcome more immigration for this reason, but comparing US and Israel doesn’t make much sense.
However, Jews don’t just target the US for massive immigration but small European nations as well. In that regard, Jews are indeed hypocrites. Sweden, for instance, isn’t the most habitable place(though sizable) and has a small population. With massive immigration, the native Swedes could easily be outnumbered by new arrivals. And yet, Jews say MORE MORE MORE.
So, Jews don’t distinguish between big white nations and small white nations. They want all white nations to be drowned in the tide of color.
They urge it on East Asia too.
If the West and East Asia are facing demographic collapse, why don’t Jews recommend the Israel policy of natalism. Instead, Jews say whites and yellows should make for declining white/yellow numbers with more immigrants.
Crazy.
If the grand bargain is to be made between Neocons/Zionists/Israelis and white American Conservatives, then people like Bibi Netanyahu will have to denounce the domestic positions of Jewish Liberals.
There will have to be a Jew vs Jew war.
There is no way that even the most right-wing Jews are going to side with goyim against fellow Jews. Right-wing Jews may hate left-wing Jews, but they are Jews first and still prefer leftist Jews over right-wing goyim. And the ideas of joining with white conservatives to bash fellow Jews is sickening to Jews.
Even Meir Kahane denounced the American Right for going after Jewish leftists during the ‘McCarthy Era’.
When Vietnam persecuted the Chinese capitalists in the Boat People fiasco, communist China was awful angry about how their fellow ethnics were treated.
Chinese commies didn’t side with Vietnamese commies against Cochin-Chinese capitalists.
Some things are thicker than ideology.
The idea of right-wing Jews attacking left-wing Jews to serve the white nationalism of American conservatives seems far-fetched.
Besides, while it’s permissible for Liberal Jews to attack White/Christian Conservatives as ‘whites’ and ‘Christians, American politics only allows attack on Jewish Liberals/Leftists on ideological grounds, not tribal grounds. They can be called ‘bad Liberals’ and ‘bad Leftists’ but never as ‘bad Jews’.
Jewish Liberals can go ethnic in their attack,but white conservatives can’t. And if white conservatives did go ethnic and called out on JEWISH Leftists and Liberals, Jewish Rightists will defend their fellow Jews cuz the idea of any attack on Jews(even leftist ones) is sickening to Rightwing Jews.
Very insightful point. The dynamic you identify does seem to be widespread and it would be interesting to see it analyzed in some detail.
Bob Dylan is an interesting example: From changing his name and helping to overthrow the old order in the 1960s, dabbling with Christianity and other universalist hobbies through the 70s and into the 80s, he now seems to have come almost full circle with his attachment to Orthodox Jewry, his own peculiar “blood libels:”
“If you got a slave master or Klan in your blood, blacks can sense that. That stuff lingers to this day. Just like Jews can sense Nazi blood and the Serbs can sense Croatian blood.”
As one analysis suggested,
“[The album] Infidels represented a drift from his excursions into Christian spirituality. And if not an outright renunciation of Christianity, it did present him as been back among the fold of the Jewish tribe, as the inner jacket features him crouched and in contemplation while wearing a yarmulke on Jerusalem’s Mount of Olives.
“[The song “Neighborhood Bully”] played in a rockabilly mode and sang with heavy irony, Dylan sets out Israel’s case amid the accusations of its iron-fisted dealings with its Arab neighbours. It is a song which is said to be particularly popular with the Likudniks as an after-party conference boogie-down number, and, according to the Jerusalem Post, “a favourite among Dylan-loving residents of the (Israeli-occupied) territories”.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-the-neighborhood-bully-deconstructing-the-lyrics-of-bob-dylan-in-the-light-of-the-gaza-crisis/5393652
The pattern seems to be: Push a pseudo-universalist, “I-either-reject-or-don’t-care-about-the-traditional-culture” line, and then, as you say, comes the “return to blood.” How Homeric!
The trouble starts with the word "demand". Demanding something of an influential Jew already makes you an "anti-Semite", because you have noticed his Jewishness and his influence in a context other than unqualified praise. Furthermore, any demand implies a threat, however mild, and that is even worse.Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist
Yes, Steve is definitely engaging in wishful thinking here. While your analysis is consistent with observed Jewish macher behavior.
If you are new here??? You need to post at the UNZ review more often!!!
Here is what I believe what powerful Jews see as much more likely:
The Neocons and Israel are only a couple of years away from engineering the US into a war with Iran regardless of what party wins the election in 2016, but especially if any Republican is elected. The best trigger for that war will be another major domestic terrorist attack that can conveniently blamed on Tehran. The goal here is simply spreading further chaos in the middle east requiring a permanent US boots on the ground presence and a no questions asked climate of patriotism at home. Meanwhile the US and European borders must remain open so as to facilitate the flood of more potential terrorists and refugees.
Since Two State Solution is officially dead, the next move is to officially annex the West Bank while giving Palestinians every financial incentive to leave Israel while the getting is good. The Arabs and Christians who don’t take the hint are going to be forcefully pressured to leave the West Bank and Israel proper a few years down the road. Once the Arab numbers significantly decline the remainder will be simply expelled Again the US and European borders must remain open so as to facilitate the flood of Palestinian emigrants and later refugees. Sure left wing Jews will make a minor fuss that Israel will become outwardly ethnocentric and the pretense to being a liberal Democracy will have evaporated. But it is taken as a given they will quickly fall into line if it ultimately means an expanded Israel that controls it own borders and is more demographically secure. Nothing I am stating here has not been promulgated as Likud party platform goals.
In the meantime Jews in Europe and USA have every intention of passing hate speech and hate crime laws that they believe will effectively neuter the BDS movement. While Jews will be granted “super citizenship” that will make life for them more than tolerable until increasingly more Zionist territory is acquired. Conditions for Non-Jewish white Europeans and Americans may decline significantly but Jews don’t care about them as long as the Jews will be protected. Once again keeping the borders open is key to making this happen.
Whites are only a 3-4 election cycles from being permanently rendered minorities in their homelands and in the countries they settled. That is what Jews on both the left and right want and they are not going to just let anybody simply “demand” that they change their plans. Besides Open Borders are making Jews super rich at the expense of their only possible opposition the educated middle class that identifies with the historical American nation. For this to happen the Borders must remain Open!!!
Last, Jews look at how easy it has been for them to manipulate the Christian Dispensationalist Goyim and laugh at the idea that NAMs can ever cause them trouble. They already fund NAACP and La Raza and hundreds of other Open Borders and identity politics groups. They have no reason to fear a Democratic coalition of the fringes as long as they are the puppet masters and control the media. The more NAMs the better, they are after all the best cudgel to keep the white Christian goyim in line. The Borders will remain Open!!!
In short everything is going the Jews way, and 90%+ of whites in the USA and Europe are clueless as to who is pulling the strings.
In short being polite and simply asking or even “demanding” some change in course from TWMNBN will accomplish nothing except still getting you labeled an anti-semite.
Completely backwards. You can’t “negotiate” by first giving your counterparty everything he wants! Those things which put your panties in a twist are absolutely essential in order for any negotiation to occur.
Your way of thinking is most akin to the Palestinians -- who have spent decades clinging to their official sweet thoughts about the Jews.
I'm always dispirited when I am forced to acknowledge that there are many like you on my team. Or at least seemingly so since some emanations are so dumb I often think they derive from either useful idiocy or even provocation. No tribe is collectively dumb when it comes to self-preservation and protection. But it any are it ain't Jews. Yet there are many like you who have a brilliant plan to get them into a transactional bargain with those who cannot even stop themselves from reminding their counter-party the ills they wish upon them.Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @Bill
Seems to me that Jewish elites think that indoctrination will solve the problem:http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/03/how_can_we_help_jew_s_stay_in_europe_despite_anti_semitism_jeffrey_goldberg.html
In other words, use the Holocaust (Hitler's great gift to the Zionist project) to full advantage.
Of course, some Jews have noticed that certain groups (Blacks, Muslims, etc) seem oddly immune to the spectre of the Holocaust.Indeed, in some cases they actually seem downright hostile. A colleague of mine (she teaches an undergrad class on literature and racism) has noted to me that Blacks in her class get rather surly when the Holocaust totems are introduced: Anne Frank, Schindler's List, Wiesel's Night, etc. To them, the Holocaust narrative is White Privilege in action.White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Hersh
It’s not so much that they’re footnotes but that 3rd and 4th world POCs killing POCs is a dog-bites-man story, while the country that gave the world Goethe, Beethoven, Gauss, etc. committing genocide is man-bites-dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1VL-y9JHuI
After viewing the film, the Black students responded with real anger to the scene.They noted that no one cared about Black children being slaughtered....But show one cute little White girl , and White people collapse in heaps of tears. According to her, they deployed the full arsenal of theory on the scene, noting how the girl's fair skin and Caucasoid hair made her an image of White racial perfection.Black children, in contrast, with their dark skin and kinky hair, were the "Other" (Hegel has much to answer for), permanently excluded from sympathy, etc.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
In point of fact, it is jewish corpses in Europe which are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while Gentile corpses are footnotes. 5 million Jews killed in World War 2 versus 70 million Gentiles killed, yet where is the focus?
Steve, don’t you get it yet?
Jewish Democrats do not care about Israel. All rhetoric to the contrary is just that – rhetoric, which is mostly intended to reassure out of touch elderly Jews who still care fervently about Israel. Even now, it is reported that Senate Democrats – no doubt including Schumer, Feinstein, the washed up comedian from Minnesota, the phony war hero from Connecticut, and other Senators supposedly of the Mosaic persuasion – are blocking a NON-BINDING resolution that would call for re-imposition of sanctions on Iran in the event Iran CHEATS on the deal Obama is negotiating with them now. In other words, the deal being done is not even intended to be enforceable, and Senate Democrats, no doubt including most of the Jews among them, are just fine with that.
Even after his serial blow-ups with Israel during his first term, Obama got just under 70% of the Jewish vote in 2012. Of course, some might say that was because he dialed back his rage at Israel and went on a “charm” offensive toward Jewish voters, but what if he hadn’t? My guess is, his support from Jews would have dropped . . . to about 65%.
FWIW, I applaud you for noticing that there’s no logical connection between supporting Israel and wanting open borders for the US. I myself strongly support both Israel (I mean, the part of Israeli society that is not suicidal, namely, the Israeli Right) and restricting immigration to the US. Unfortunately, the deal you propose is of no interest to the people you propose addressing it to.
Seems to me that Jewish elites think that indoctrination will solve the problem:http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/03/how_can_we_help_jew_s_stay_in_europe_despite_anti_semitism_jeffrey_goldberg.html
In other words, use the Holocaust (Hitler's great gift to the Zionist project) to full advantage.
Of course, some Jews have noticed that certain groups (Blacks, Muslims, etc) seem oddly immune to the spectre of the Holocaust.Indeed, in some cases they actually seem downright hostile. A colleague of mine (she teaches an undergrad class on literature and racism) has noted to me that Blacks in her class get rather surly when the Holocaust totems are introduced: Anne Frank, Schindler's List, Wiesel's Night, etc. To them, the Holocaust narrative is White Privilege in action.White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.Replies: @Anonymous, @Dave Pinsen, @Hersh
Re “Holocaust totems” – How about this movie “Woman in Gold?” I haven’t seen the movie but there are plenty of TV advertisements. Its about a rich Jewish woman fighting in court to get back a painting that was taken by the Nazis. Its about “JUSTICE!” Ye Gads and they wonder why the Palestinians won’t get over it. It seems like that’s not the first movie with the same subject matter, return of artwork. In the 90’s, Sen. D’Amato (R-NY) spent most of his time fretting about getting Jewish artwork back from the Swiss or whoever. Blacks and Hispanics are not wrong to resent Jewish self-entitlement to victim status; we all should resent it. Its never going to end when they’re still making their movies about artwork 70 years after WWII.
That’s not the POC perspective.Again, drawing on an anecdote from my colleague, take this famous scene from Schindler’s List, the girl in the red coat:
After viewing the film, the Black students responded with real anger to the scene.They noted that no one cared about Black children being slaughtered….But show one cute little White girl , and White people collapse in heaps of tears. According to her, they deployed the full arsenal of theory on the scene, noting how the girl’s fair skin and Caucasoid hair made her an image of White racial perfection.Black children, in contrast, with their dark skin and kinky hair, were the “Other” (Hegel has much to answer for), permanently excluded from sympathy, etc.
White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.
In point of fact, it is jewish corpses in Europe which are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while Gentile corpses are footnotes. 5 million Jews killed in World War 2 versus 70 million Gentiles killed, yet where is the focus?
You’re a little confused. I am saying that any true Immigration Restrictionist will make everything else secondary. The organizational analogue is the National Rifle Association.
Your way of thinking is most akin to the Palestinians — who have spent decades clinging to their official sweet thoughts about the Jews.
I’m always dispirited when I am forced to acknowledge that there are many like you on my team. Or at least seemingly so since some emanations are so dumb I often think they derive from either useful idiocy or even provocation. No tribe is collectively dumb when it comes to self-preservation and protection. But it any are it ain’t Jews. Yet there are many like you who have a brilliant plan to get them into a transactional bargain with those who cannot even stop themselves from reminding their counter-party the ills they wish upon them.
What a load of horse poop!!!!
Yes, the National Rifle Association is held out as a outstanding example of a successful single issue political organization. However you have recently listened to any uncensored open phones talk radio show? NRA members increasingly understand that the Second Amendment is unlikely to survive the day that white Christian Europeans become a minority in the USA. Rush echoes this point increasingly on his show and so does guest host Mark Steyn. If new legal and illegal aliens had the same culture, traditions, personalities, temperament, intelligence.... as the historical US population then this would not be an issue, but they clearly do not.
Therefore you can not discuss immigration restrictionism without mentioning Multiculturalism and its ideological roots in Cultural Marxism.
Immigration is many things but it sure as hell is not a "single issue" issue. It touches on every aspect of out daily life and future.Replies: @MLK
You can't bargain with someone if you have nothing to offer. You can't bargain with someone if the only thing you disagree with them on is the thing you want from them. That's the Whole. F%#@ing. Point. of Steve's column.
Your comment is nonsense. If only the Paleo-cons would pucker up and smooch TWMNBN ass then everything would be fine and perhaps Jewish globalist billionaires would come to their senses and reject Open Borders. Yeah Sure!!!!
For the last couple of decades the only political group who do not view Americans as just another commodity whose well being and standard of living is not to be arbitraged way are the Paleo-Cons. And the only political group not to have any delusions about or to have been corrupted by TWMNBN are the Paleo-Cons.
Furthermore it was the Marxists who abandoned traditional labor unions when they did not go all in for the international revolution of the proletariat. That signalled the rise of Cultural Marxism which from its inception has been very hostile to the native white populations of the west and quite open and specific concerning its globalist agenda of electing a new people.
Last the immigration restriction movement of the 1920’s was a coalition of non Marxist labor unions,(the Marxist IWW was delusionally pro Open Borders), old school Darwinian Progressives(Not the Boazian variety), white moderates and conservatives, and last most Blacks. Eastern European Jews were strongly for Open Borders then as they are today.
Now go get your shinebox!!!!
Jewish Billionaires, along with pretty much all other billionaires, along with pretty much the rest of what we could call the commanding heights of the American economy, are in favor of unending mass immigration and amnesty too. In short, the entire American economy is predicated on it, along with increasing private and public debt. Meanwhile, characters like you are carrying on about Jewish Billionaire and Cultural Marxists.
Until and unless Immigration Restrictionists abandon what amounts to magical thinking -- and that is about as generous as I can be as to the prospects of this "Grand Bargain," even if people like you could somehow be consigned to the children's table for the period of negotiations -- it will be further Immigration Surges and Amnesties.
There are ways to move the ball forward. Unfortunately, many Immigration Restrictionists are like you. If sticking it to the Jews is central to the plan there is little interest.
Conservatives need to learn from the Left. Most especially in terms of deploying the coercive and harassing power of government toward the right ends. For example, I've long thought getting a Proposition on the California Ballot, giving immigrants, including illegals, the right to sue employers individually and via Class Action, for failure to pay wages and benefits equal to that of citizens, would pass and fix their little red wagons.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anonymous-antimarxist
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No, minorities lists associated with the Labor Party were part of parliamentary majorities prior to 1977 and the Druze population has been a notable component of the electoral base of some parties (e.g. Shas). Since that time, Arabs in parliament have generally been found in the caucuses of communist or Arab nationalist parties only loyal to the state in adherence to law. It isn't racial treason. Cabinet ministers have access to classified information. Some Arab politicians cannot be trusted and some would be put under considerable pressure by collateral relatives, &c.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @silviosilver
Has there ever been a case where Arab parties were used to tip the balance from a rightist to a leftist prime minister? I read that Rabin had a shaky majority in 1992 without Arabs and that was the closest thing to an exception to the unwritten rule?
Israel needs at least mild ethno-nationalism to be the global default and so the looming conflict of interest between Zionists on the one hand and globalist banking mafia on the other has been visible on the horizon for a long time. It’s also been clear for a while the banking mafia were prepared to abandon the Zionist wing if it came to a crunch.
Modern day danegeld.
Unz: Please use some other existing content management system.
Zionist hysterics. 100% support for Israel = “sufficient” 99.9% support for Israel = “utter indifference”
Princess and the pea, politics of the spoiled rotten.
I am not aware of EVIDENCE that Shelly is a USA-open-borders guy. His wife gives LOTS of interviews to the Hebrew press stringers in Vegas; this topic never comes up whatsoever.
The Israelis with money aren't looking for cheap Mexican househelp; they prefer Au Pairs from TelAviv. They DO NOT want their kids to grow up with an "Anglo" accent on their Hebrew, it's bad for passing the gibbush into an elite unit in the IDF.
This is all over the Israeli-moms-Hebrew-blogosphere in California and metro-NYC. They are very open about it.
Hilariously, on the Israeli side, it's the filipina caregivers who are carefully passed around from family to family. Israelis know better than to hire Jewish girls to take care of elderly parents or grandparents.Replies: @syonredux
MMM, well there was this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/opinion/sheldon-adelson-warren-buffett-and-bill-gates-on-immigration-reform.html?_r=0
Rather hard to imagine Adelson signing off on something like that in Israel….
Why would it? They know what her answer would be:”America is a nation of immigrants.Support for immigration is a Jewish value., etc”
On the other hand, Mexicans make great gardeners and docile cleaning staff at casinos.
True, but let’s be honest about where the groups stand. Jews are much more supportive of open borders and mass immigration than whites are, and the opposition to same is much more white than Jewish. There’s a pair of links I keep handy that give a survey of how US senators and reps voted some years back, breaking them down into Euro and Jewish categories, but Steve doesn’t like me dropping it here. Short version, Euros voted about 45/55 for open borders, while Jews were like 90/10, or something.
“Seems to me that Jewish elites think that indoctrination will solve the problem…”
“Whereas our White elites believe that racial treason is the highest virtue….”
Indoctrination is certainly the flavor of the day by Christian elites, libertarian elites, alpha-male elites (redundancy?), labor elites, government elites, working class elites, etc.
Syon, what elite do you represent? Who do you seek to indoctrinate?
“A colleague of mine (she teaches an undergrad class on literature and racism) has noted to me that Blacks in her class get rather surly when the Holocaust totems are introduced: Anne Frank, Schindler’s List, Wiesel’s Night, etc. To them, the Holocaust narrative is White Privilege in action. White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.”
Since you are speaking anecdotally, I will offer this nugget—when I was in college and took a class on the Holocaust, there were six black students (out of 40). Every single one of them viewed the Holocaust as exactly as it was—a series of horrific events committed by human beings who happened to be German, not white.
“The takeaway? Supporting Jewish supremacy in Israel is doubleplusgood. Supporting a European majority USA? Crimethink. Can anyone imagine Bill Gates donating to VDARE?”
Conversely, supporting a European majority USA is doubleplusgood. Supporting America as a multicultural society? Crimethink, especially if you are an American citizen who [gasps] believes in such a notion. Race traitor!
Listen, if you are a white person, a black person, a Jew, and want to tout your whiteness, or blackness, or Jewedness, go ahead. White power! Black power! Joo power!
It’s just that the EXTREMISTS in your tribe will take it one step further and demand their agenda be front and center compared to the other groups. In this case, expect blowback. White Christian males, the founders of Western Civilization, are naturally taken aback when THEIR institutions come under “attack” by inferior groups for their past jackbooting of black and Jewish males. Black and Jewish males, in turn, demand over-the-top reparations in response to “white privilege”.
The terms “racism” and “elitism” use to mean something tangible and substantial. Not anymore. They are merely Pavolian buzzwords that elicit over-the-top reactions by the acolytes at V-Dare and Al Sharpton race baiters at the world.
“The USA can no longer be described as real blood and soil nation founded by a real genetic homogenous population.”
That’s because America was actually founded by different groups of people who happened to be primarily of European descent. Their religion? Protestant, Catholic, Baptist, Methodist. Their ethnic backgrounds? English, Irish, German, African, Jewish, Spanish. Heterogenous, baby, heterogeneous.
“The Cultural Marxist enterprise…”
Yet another term (along with “white privilege”) that has absolutely no meaning.
“It would be racial treason for anybody, anywhere, to form a “governing coalition” with Arabs.”
Says who? Do people have the liberty to form associations of their own choosing without someone labeling it as being “racial treason”? Thanks, David Duke. Thanks, Louis Farrahkan.
The Arab parties voted with the Rabin government on matters of confidence, but they weren’t allowed into the coalition. But even if that happened this time, it wouldn’t have mattered. The Zionist Camp couldn’t have formed a government without Kulanu’s 10 seats, and Kulanu went with Likud.
“For example, the bombing of the King David “Hotel” was actually a legitimate military target”
Notwithstanding your attempt to use parentheses to somehow alter reality, The King David Hotel was in fact a hotel. And no, it was not a legitimate military target. That the Irgun thought it was and that you agree says something about the Irgun and about you, but it does not in any way alter the fact that the bombing of the hotel (with 91 murdered therein) was an act of terrorism.
So there has never been a single example in Israel’s history where Arab members of the Knesset made a difference in who was prime minister, right?
Same fuckers who put the open-borders, mass immigration policies in place? I love the obtuse act when it comes time to do something somebody else wants.
I love this one. It’s very common, and seems tailored to third-graders: “now, boy, you just be good until further notice, and stop trying to escape, and I promise, one day I’ll set you free. There’s a good boy! Now go fetch me some iced tea.” *pats head*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian_ConferenceAnd this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._LouisReplies: @syonredux
Oh, yeah.One has to keep in mind that it’s always 1939-45 in the Jewish collective memory*.Of course, a prominent Frenchwoman has recently noted that Jewish thinking needs to adjust to current realities:
And as for the people dying in Europe, why no tears for the three million or so who died in the 1932-33 Terror Famine in Ukraine? Or the 682,691 official victims of the Great Terror in 1937-38, many of whom (cf the 111,091 killed in the Polish Action) were targeted on strictly racial grounds?
*Although it really should be the Summer of 1941-1945, seeing as how the Germans didn’t start killing Jews wholesale until the invasion of the Soviet Union.
Your way of thinking is most akin to the Palestinians -- who have spent decades clinging to their official sweet thoughts about the Jews.
I'm always dispirited when I am forced to acknowledge that there are many like you on my team. Or at least seemingly so since some emanations are so dumb I often think they derive from either useful idiocy or even provocation. No tribe is collectively dumb when it comes to self-preservation and protection. But it any are it ain't Jews. Yet there are many like you who have a brilliant plan to get them into a transactional bargain with those who cannot even stop themselves from reminding their counter-party the ills they wish upon them.Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @Bill
You’re a little confused. I am saying that any true Immigration Restrictionist will make everything else secondary. The organizational analogue is the National Rifle Association.
What a load of horse poop!!!!
Yes, the National Rifle Association is held out as a outstanding example of a successful single issue political organization. However you have recently listened to any uncensored open phones talk radio show? NRA members increasingly understand that the Second Amendment is unlikely to survive the day that white Christian Europeans become a minority in the USA. Rush echoes this point increasingly on his show and so does guest host Mark Steyn. If new legal and illegal aliens had the same culture, traditions, personalities, temperament, intelligence…. as the historical US population then this would not be an issue, but they clearly do not.
Therefore you can not discuss immigration restrictionism without mentioning Multiculturalism and its ideological roots in Cultural Marxism.
Immigration is many things but it sure as hell is not a “single issue” issue. It touches on every aspect of out daily life and future.
To quote the captain in the old British sitcom Dad’s Army “I think you’re getting into the realms of fantasy there, Jones”. Diversity for thee and not for me, though the heavens fall.
Rabin formed a government with his own Labor Party, the newly formed left-wing Zionist party Meretz, and the right-wing Mizrachi party Shas, for total of 62/120. The six Shas MKs left the coalition in 1993 over Oslo, but three members of the now defunct right-wing Tzomet party joined the government in their place.
But that still left Rabin’s coalition with only 58 seats. They needed the five members of the Arab Democratic Party and the (Communist, partially Jewish) Hadash party in order to hold on to power and negotiate Oslo. But they weren’t going to actually let them into the government and give them cabinet-level posts, so they let them support the government from the outside.
When Rabin was assassinated in 1995, Peres took over, and the Arab parties continued to support the government for the next sixth months until Netanyahu won the 1996 elections.
So, without the confidence votes of the Palestinian parties, Rabin (and Peres for 6 months) couldn’t have been PM in the 90s. The Arab parties are responsible for the Oslo Accords.
To their eternal shame.
For the last couple of decades the only political group who do not view Americans as just another commodity whose well being and standard of living is not to be arbitraged way are the Paleo-Cons. And the only political group not to have any delusions about or to have been corrupted by TWMNBN are the Paleo-Cons.
Furthermore it was the Marxists who abandoned traditional labor unions when they did not go all in for the international revolution of the proletariat. That signalled the rise of Cultural Marxism which from its inception has been very hostile to the native white populations of the west and quite open and specific concerning its globalist agenda of electing a new people.
Last the immigration restriction movement of the 1920's was a coalition of non Marxist labor unions,(the Marxist IWW was delusionally pro Open Borders), old school Darwinian Progressives(Not the Boazian variety), white moderates and conservatives, and last most Blacks. Eastern European Jews were strongly for Open Borders then as they are today.
Now go get your shinebox!!!!Replies: @MLK
Uh huh. It is Sailer’s Grand Plan, not mine. I am critiquing it, and every one of the commenters who pushes back, including you, substantiates my points.
I haven’t the foggiest idea what this means. Nor will I expend a kilocalorie trying to figure it out. It is enough for me to note that it is emblematic of why people like you are of less than zero value in service of the cause of an overdue Immigration Moratorium.
Jewish Billionaires, along with pretty much all other billionaires, along with pretty much the rest of what we could call the commanding heights of the American economy, are in favor of unending mass immigration and amnesty too. In short, the entire American economy is predicated on it, along with increasing private and public debt. Meanwhile, characters like you are carrying on about Jewish Billionaire and Cultural Marxists.
Until and unless Immigration Restrictionists abandon what amounts to magical thinking — and that is about as generous as I can be as to the prospects of this “Grand Bargain,” even if people like you could somehow be consigned to the children’s table for the period of negotiations — it will be further Immigration Surges and Amnesties.
There are ways to move the ball forward. Unfortunately, many Immigration Restrictionists are like you. If sticking it to the Jews is central to the plan there is little interest.
Conservatives need to learn from the Left. Most especially in terms of deploying the coercive and harassing power of government toward the right ends. For example, I’ve long thought getting a Proposition on the California Ballot, giving immigrants, including illegals, the right to sue employers individually and via Class Action, for failure to pay wages and benefits equal to that of citizens, would pass and fix their little red wagons.
Just because they're billionaires doesn't mean they aren't sensitive to social pressure.Replies: @MLK
You most certainly know what it means; "Those Who Must Not Be Named" in reference to the old saying attributed to many but most often to Voltaire, "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize:"
Anyone who voices opposition to Open Borders no matter how intelligently, calmly, persuasively, effectively, logically....... is going to be viciously attacked as a xenophobe, racist, bigot, nativistm Nazi ..... And you very well know that the organizations who make these attacks are overwhelming staffed, lead and financed by Jews, the SPLC being the prime example but there are literally hundreds of others. The one thing that may never be discussed in the "MSM" or what I refer to as the Cultural Marxist Media is that Jews are overwhelmingly behind the Open Borders movement. Hence TWMNBN!!!!
Heaven help the poor fellow who naively openly mentions the role Jews have played in destroying our nation's sovereignty. Using TWMNBN serves to remind one to never be so foolish as ever drop one's guard and point out the obvious.Oy Vey!!! What a load of BS!!!
Arguing for the extension of extra-judicial rights to law breaking illegal aliens is a favorite tactic of the Open Borders zealots at the ACLU, AILA, and NLG. That you would even remotely think this would be a good idea testifying to your alleged immigration restrictionist bonafides is hysterical. Now illegals can stay or at least enter and re-enter the US as long as they need legal counsel or have their day in court.
The Israeli government certainly doesn't want to get involved in American domestic politics, and those here would (rightly) be the first to denounce it if they did. Israel has the immigration policy that it wants, selected for it by their own elected representatives and America has the immigration policy that it (apparently) wants, selected for it by its OWN elected representatives including its current 2 term President. American voter COULD have rejected Obama and his policies, especially in his 2nd term, but they didn't want to. That's how the chips fall in a democracy.
And as Steve points out, Jews constitute less than 2% of American voters while white Christians still constitute the vast majority (not to mention blacks who really have nothing to gain and much to lose from immigration). If y'all don't want immigration, then what's stopping you? Do you REALLY need the Jews' help this time? We know that you couldn't have managed nuclear weapons without the Jews but that was a long time ago and the Jews have lost a lot of vitality since then - the current generation is becoming more assimilated and less Jewish, both in blood and culture, so don't expect any fresh batches of Feynmans. It's true that Jews still make up a disproportionate fraction of smart/rich people but even if they are 1/4 to 1/3 of influential Americans, that still leaves 2/3+ of wealth/influence in Gentile hands. C'mon goyim, you can do this yourself this time. Get your act together. Is MORE Jewish influence really what you want? Remember that when you ask the Godfather for a favor, you are indebted to him and he may call in his chit at any time. If you do this yourself, you won't owe anyone any favors.Replies: @IA, @Dave Pinsen
You are correct. We gentile white guys need to rethink human rights. After all, we created it. It’s up to us to deconstruct it.
“Whereas our White elites believe that racial treason is the highest virtue….”
Indoctrination is certainly the flavor of the day by Christian elites, libertarian elites, alpha-male elites (redundancy?), labor elites, government elites, working class elites, etc.
Syon, what elite do you represent? Who do you seek to indoctrinate?
“A colleague of mine (she teaches an undergrad class on literature and racism) has noted to me that Blacks in her class get rather surly when the Holocaust totems are introduced: Anne Frank, Schindler’s List, Wiesel’s Night, etc. To them, the Holocaust narrative is White Privilege in action. White corpses in Europe are enduring symbols of martyrdom, while POC corpses are footnotes.”
Since you are speaking anecdotally, I will offer this nugget—when I was in college and took a class on the Holocaust, there were six black students (out of 40). Every single one of them viewed the Holocaust as exactly as it was—a series of horrific events committed by human beings who happened to be German, not white.
“The takeaway? Supporting Jewish supremacy in Israel is doubleplusgood. Supporting a European majority USA? Crimethink. Can anyone imagine Bill Gates donating to VDARE?”
Conversely, supporting a European majority USA is doubleplusgood. Supporting America as a multicultural society? Crimethink, especially if you are an American citizen who [gasps] believes in such a notion. Race traitor!
Listen, if you are a white person, a black person, a Jew, and want to tout your whiteness, or blackness, or Jewedness, go ahead. White power! Black power! Joo power!
It’s just that the EXTREMISTS in your tribe will take it one step further and demand their agenda be front and center compared to the other groups. In this case, expect blowback. White Christian males, the founders of Western Civilization, are naturally taken aback when THEIR institutions come under “attack” by inferior groups for their past jackbooting of black and Jewish males. Black and Jewish males, in turn, demand over-the-top reparations in response to “white privilege”.
The terms “racism” and “elitism” use to mean something tangible and substantial. Not anymore. They are merely Pavolian buzzwords that elicit over-the-top reactions by the acolytes at V-Dare and Al Sharpton race baiters at the world.
“The USA can no longer be described as real blood and soil nation founded by a real genetic homogenous population.”
That’s because America was actually founded by different groups of people who happened to be primarily of European descent. Their religion? Protestant, Catholic, Baptist, Methodist. Their ethnic backgrounds? English, Irish, German, African, Jewish, Spanish. Heterogenous, baby, heterogeneous.
“The Cultural Marxist enterprise…”
Yet another term (along with “white privilege”) that has absolutely no meaning.
“It would be racial treason for anybody, anywhere, to form a “governing coalition” with Arabs.”
Says who? Do people have the liberty to form associations of their own choosing without someone labeling it as being “racial treason”? Thanks, David Duke. Thanks, Louis Farrahkan.Replies: @syonredux
And, in the USA, all of those elites are in favor of mass immigration/race replacement
Contradiction in terms, I should think
None.Sadly, no elites in the USA share my opinions.Now, if I were in Israel, it would be a different story.There I would be the mainstream.
Whom, not who.Something of a lost cause, I fear.
Care to trade anecdote for anecdote? This one comes from personal experience.We were talking about the Holocaust in class, and the La Raza and Black students started complaining about the Holocaust Museum in Washington.A monument to dead White people.To their way of thinking, it was simply a matter of Hitler doing in Europe what White people had done for centuries in the Americas, Australia, Africa, etc.Of course, they said, since it was done in Europe it became an event that scandalized the world….
And who would say that in public, dear fellow? Not I.That would squelch my chances at tenure.In contrast, my PC colleagues extol the coming end of European America at conference after conference…
Where? Not in the Ivy League.Or within the corridors of power in Washington.
The highest honor that a European person can attain in contemporary society.Why, I’ve attended conferences where the White speaker proudly proclaimed his status as a “race traitor.” To thunderous applause.
Dear fellow, If a said anything remotely similar to “White Power” in public, I would lose my job.In contrast, a colleague down the hall has pasted on his door various projected dates for the end of European dominance in the USA.With a smiley face after each date.
Since GOP and American Conservatism are totally pro-Israel, they can only withdraw support than lend support. The support is already 100% there.
But by withdrawing support, the GOP and American Conservatism will lose the last protection to their current status. In the US, ‘racism’ is the biggest sin. It is by their total support of Israel that the GOP and American Conservatism are half-way forgiven for their ‘racism’ by the Liberal Jewish Establishment.
The idea is that the American Right is bad but not totally bad because, at the very least, it supports Israel, the land of Holocaust Survivors. But, suppose GOP and American Cons were to threaten withdrawal of support of Israel. Then, they would lose their only shield against charges of ‘racism’ from the Jewish Establishment. The deal that currently exists goes like this: Neocons go to the GOP and say, “Look, as long as you guys totally support Israel, we Neocon Jews will talk to our Lib Jew brothers and tell them to go a bit easy on you guys being a bunch of ‘racist’, ‘xenophobic’, ‘homophobic’, and ‘sexist’ neanderthal shitheads.” So, the GOP clings to Neocons as protection from the full brunt of hatred from the media, academia, Wall Street, and federal government that are largely monopolized by Liberal Jewish power. It’s an extortion racket. It’s like Paulie promises to protect the restaurant owner in GOODFELLAS from Tommy if Paulie is taken in as a partner.
So, if the GOP threatens to withdraw support of Israel, then all the Liberal Jewish Tommies will go after GOP with full force. In a way, Neocons love how Lib Jews are always attacking the GOP. It is because of that constant barrage of hatred that the GOP desperately pleads with Neocons to served as middlemen between itself and Liberal Jews. Putin relies on Jews for the same reason. He figures the powerful World Jewry hates Russia, but if he won’t support Israel and really turns against Jews, then the FULL FORCE of World Jewry will kick into gear to totally destroy Russia. (Japan also treated Jews nice during WWII in hope that American Jews would be appreciative and use their influence to go easier on Japan. Well, Japan got Hiroshima and Nagasaki from Jewish atom bomb makers.)
The fact is the GOP controls very few weapons of firepower in the political discourse. All big cities, all colleges, all big media, most political organizations, most big industries, and etc are dominated by Libs, especially Jewish Libs. Indeed, Cons are so afraid of Liberal power that they even recruit homo agents to gain protection from full brunt of Lib attack. If GOP has prominent homo agents, then Lib Power will bash it but not totally destroy it.
Anyway, the Lib Jewish Power has to keep pushing the GOP/American Conservatism against the ropes for the latter to plead with Neocons to ask Lib Jews to not beat them so bad.
The best Neocon can offer is “You guys keep supporting Israel 100% and we’ll ask our Lib Jew brethren to hit you 5o times than 100 times.”
Neocons are really middlemen between GOP/American Conservatism and Lib Jewish Power than firmly on the Conservative side. Neocons actually delight in the Lib Jewish Power’s bashing of the GOP since without such hostile pressure from the Lib Jewish power bloc, the GOP would have no need to rely on Neocons to act as middleman. It is because GOP allows Neocons to use the GOP partially(or mainly) to support Israel that Lib Jews have sometimes pulled their punches.
In media, academia, entertainment, culture, and government, what power does the GOP have in a political firefight? GOP can get a bunch of politicians elected in local elections, but the main opinion-moving institutions are all owned by Libs. Even Talk Radio is owned mostly by Jews, which is why 50% of all the yammering is about Israel, Israel, Israel, and those bad bad Muslims and Russians.
And let’s be realistic. Heritage Foundation couldn’t even stand up for Richwine. NR got rid of Derbyshire. Sailer is a pariah in the world of Conservative Inc. Even Ann Coulter has recently been disinvited to CPAC for some of her more strident stuff. National Review, American Spectator, Weekly Standard, and etc are all totally Neocon dominated. The minute anyone dares to whisper SIS — Sailer’s Israel Strategy — , they’re gonna get the ax.
Stuff like American Conservative Magazine, Lew Rockwell,and etc are on the fringe. As for Vdare and American Renaissance, American Conservative Inc treat them like radioactive toxic material. Jews of all stripes are as afraid of white conservatives gaining pride & unity as they are of Iran getting nukes.
Even neocons prefer American Conservatism to feel guilty, shameful, and self-loathing. After all, if white cons really felt proud and confident, why would they feel a need to redeem themselves and prove themselves worthy? Why would they need to seek protection of Neocons(and Nice Negroes like Ben Carter) to win moral credits? It’s because American Conservatism has allowed itself to be tainted as having been all about ‘racism’, ‘anti-semitism’, ‘xenophobia’, and ‘homophobia’ that it feels a need to clean up its image as the New Good Conservatives. Since most blacks, homos, and immigrants(the symbolic victims) are with the Democrats and since the GOP is mostly a white party(and since whites are associated with ‘white privilege’ and an assortment of ‘historical sins’), the only hope that GOP has to gain ‘anti-racist’ credit is to work with Neocons and brand the GOP as the ‘pro-Israel’ party that is supposedly trying to save Jews from ‘another Holocaust’. (At least when terrorist attacks were rife in Israel in the 80s and 90s, constant news of Jewish deaths made Americans feel sympathy for Jews. But the big walls have made terrorist attacks within Israel and even in Occupied West Bank exceedingly rare. So, more and more people on the Left notice that it’s now mostly about Jews crushing Palestinians. Because the attacks on Jews in Israel/Palestine are at an all-time low, it’s harder to maintain the narrative of Jews existentially threatened by dangerous Arabs. If anything, Neocon-led wars in the Middle East seem to have led to Arabs killing Arabs and the total demise of the Christian Arab community. There had once been a time when Israel was indeed justified in the eyes of many as the refuge for Holocaust survivors. But as Israel is now safer than ever and as the Occupation goes on, Zionists are seen less as Holocaust survivors but the children of Holocaust Survivors who have ironically become like the Nazis who are treating Palestinians like the Nazis treated Jews in places like the Warsaw Ghetto. And indeed, things are pretty grim in Gaza especially.)
Here is the problem for Jews. If they openly side with the GOP for the sake of Israel, it may actually do more harm to Israel. Why? Because Jews will officially declare Israel as an American Conservative cause. As of now, it’s true that Netanyahu is seen as being allied with the GOP, but Israel is still pushed as a nation that deserve the support of both Libs and Cons. But if most Jews openly side with GOP’s position on Israel, then most Democrats and Libs will see Israel as the cause of the other side.
They will become more anti-Israel and more pro-Palestinian. As the media are owned by oligarchs, it can continue to favor pro-Jewish pundits and journalists. But the academia doesn’t quite work that way. True, universities are mindful of their donors. But many academics are chosen and promoted for ideological reasons. So, if a whole bunch of department run by radicals and leftists favor pro-Palestinian voices, then the academia will turn more ‘left’ and anti-Israel, and these professors will teach a new generation of morons to call out on the ‘racism’ of Israel. And these academics cannot be fired if they get tenure. With more and more such academics taking over the campus, Liberal Jewish academics will come under pressure to support ‘justice for Palestinians’ or ‘tribal unity with Jews’.
The fact is your average non-Jewish academic admires Norman Finkelstein(whose liberalism/leftism is consistent) and utterly despises Alan Dershowitz(who stands for liberalism in America but rightism in Israel).
Though the media are private and can hire only the people they want, they nevertheless often depend on the academia for information, opinion, and etc. So, as the academia increasingly turns pro-Palestinian, journalism schools will reflect that, and the media won’t be able to totally suppress it either. Indeed, more and more Liberal Jews will come under the pressure of choosing universal Liberalism or selective Liberalism(that somehow doesn’t apply to Jews and Israelis).
Anyway, if Jews openly side with the GOP, they won’t get anymore from it than what they do already. GOP and American Conservatism are totally pro-Israel, but the fact is Israel is still facing mounting pressures and problems. Indeed, it appears Israel is becoming especially hated in some circles precisely because it is so closely associated with the GOP and American Conservatism.
From that angle, it might actually be better for Jews to lower the level of American Conservatism’s support of Israel. Indeed, that was the whole point of supporting Obama. The much loathed Bush and Cheney(and Bolton the dolton) were so pro-Israel that it gave Israel a bad name among American Libs and Europeans(and Africans, Asians, Latin Americans).
Indeed, all this “Obama hates Israel and loves Iran” is a kind of boon to Israel. It creates the illusion that US government and foreign policy are independent of Jewish power and Israeli pressure when, in fact, Obama is just a tool of Liberal Jewish power. The way I see it, he is merely the ‘good cop’ used by Jews in negotiations with Iran while Netanyahu plays the role of ‘bad cop’.
In a strange way, the GOP has done more harm to Israel in recent years by supporting it so totally and mindlessly. It got so whoreish and over-the-top that people really begin to murmur, “Shiite, maybe Jews do control everything.” Bush and his Wars for Israel. Bush and Cheney’s total support of every Israeli action, even the wrecking of Lebanon over the abduction of two Israeli soldiers.
Here the Lib Jews are trying to make the GOP the shit party, but the shit party hugs Israel and smears its shit all over Israel. Now, if Netanyahu weren’t such a shameless egomaniac, maybe he would have played this a bit smarter. Indeed, he has done such with Putin. Netanyahu is friendly with Putin but no more. He also keeps a certain distance. But he just can’t hold back his ego at the prospect of traveling to the US and give big speeches like he’s king of the hill. He can’t help it. But as the GOP gives him endless applause, it’s giving Israel a bad name.
So, why would smart Jews want Israel to be even more closely associated with the GOP and American Conservatism? How will Israel’s reputation get better as Netanyahu dances with the likes of Sarah Palin, John the Crazy McCain, Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Newt Gingrich, and Sheldon Adelson?
So, what is to be done about the rising Tide of Color and the Millennial ‘progressives’ who grew up at a time when there’s been very little terrorist bombing in Israel/Palestine and whose image of the conflict is that of the continued Occupation in the West Bank(that looks like Apartheid) and the continuing wreckage in Gaza(that looks like the Warsaw Ghetto)?
Jews need to look at the real source of frustration from non-Jewish college kids and millennials. It’s the super-duper rise of the 1%, especially the 0.1% or o.o1%.
A lot of college kids and college grads are becoming aware that some of their friends will make fabulous amounts of money while most of them won’t make that much or very little.
The new grumbling about ‘socialism’ is NOT about the 99% vs the 1%.
It’s really the 10% vs the 1%.
Children of the 10% are bitter about the success of the children of the 1%.
And many college kids can’t help feel that many of the 1% are Jewish. So, it is envy and resentment that are really behind the BDS movement.
So, what Lib Jews should do is call for higher taxes on the 1%, create more state-run jobs for the children of the 10%, and then most of them will think “I got mine too”, and they will shut up and just go on with life.
The Israeli government certainly doesn't want to get involved in American domestic politics, and those here would (rightly) be the first to denounce it if they did. Israel has the immigration policy that it wants, selected for it by their own elected representatives and America has the immigration policy that it (apparently) wants, selected for it by its OWN elected representatives including its current 2 term President. American voter COULD have rejected Obama and his policies, especially in his 2nd term, but they didn't want to. That's how the chips fall in a democracy.
And as Steve points out, Jews constitute less than 2% of American voters while white Christians still constitute the vast majority (not to mention blacks who really have nothing to gain and much to lose from immigration). If y'all don't want immigration, then what's stopping you? Do you REALLY need the Jews' help this time? We know that you couldn't have managed nuclear weapons without the Jews but that was a long time ago and the Jews have lost a lot of vitality since then - the current generation is becoming more assimilated and less Jewish, both in blood and culture, so don't expect any fresh batches of Feynmans. It's true that Jews still make up a disproportionate fraction of smart/rich people but even if they are 1/4 to 1/3 of influential Americans, that still leaves 2/3+ of wealth/influence in Gentile hands. C'mon goyim, you can do this yourself this time. Get your act together. Is MORE Jewish influence really what you want? Remember that when you ask the Godfather for a favor, you are indebted to him and he may call in his chit at any time. If you do this yourself, you won't owe anyone any favors.Replies: @IA, @Dave Pinsen
Someone like Jeff Sessions, if he decided to run for president, would be well-positioned to make Steve’s deal with any one of the billionaires mentioned. That could be a win-win.
No Jewish Billionaire that I can think of will sit down and talk about Open Borders or Israel with Sessions. Any "conversation" would be one way with Sessions being lectured to on the importance of Open Borders to Jews.
If you have any idea of the hostility that could be coming Session's way take a look at his wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Sessions#Failed_nomination_to_the_district_court
The cultural Marxist flavor of yids has never been in charge of the zoo. Not in North America, not in Israel.
Haim Saban's grandchildren aren't in La Raza Youth; they're in Shevet Chen, trying to make sure they can get into an fast-track-to-success outfit like Unit 8200, or the Engineering Academists program.
The Cultural Marxist enterprise (prototype: Mattress Girl) is most certainly yid-enhanced, but those people are about as influential as Jesse Jackson Junior is. Right now, they are in severe panic mode about Hillary's gmail-gate problem. Mattress Girl isn't ever going to be put in charge of people who hold badges and guns. Sabrina Rubin Erdely was driven into hiding.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
I don’t think Saban has any grandchildren yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1VL-y9JHuI
After viewing the film, the Black students responded with real anger to the scene.They noted that no one cared about Black children being slaughtered....But show one cute little White girl , and White people collapse in heaps of tears. According to her, they deployed the full arsenal of theory on the scene, noting how the girl's fair skin and Caucasoid hair made her an image of White racial perfection.Black children, in contrast, with their dark skin and kinky hair, were the "Other" (Hegel has much to answer for), permanently excluded from sympathy, etc.Replies: @Dave Pinsen
Spielberg may have been taking a page from Otto Preminger there, who cast Jill Haworth as the Nordic Jewish teen in whom Eva Marie Saint’s gentile nurse character takes a maternal interest in Exodus.
Jewish Billionaires, along with pretty much all other billionaires, along with pretty much the rest of what we could call the commanding heights of the American economy, are in favor of unending mass immigration and amnesty too. In short, the entire American economy is predicated on it, along with increasing private and public debt. Meanwhile, characters like you are carrying on about Jewish Billionaire and Cultural Marxists.
Until and unless Immigration Restrictionists abandon what amounts to magical thinking -- and that is about as generous as I can be as to the prospects of this "Grand Bargain," even if people like you could somehow be consigned to the children's table for the period of negotiations -- it will be further Immigration Surges and Amnesties.
There are ways to move the ball forward. Unfortunately, many Immigration Restrictionists are like you. If sticking it to the Jews is central to the plan there is little interest.
Conservatives need to learn from the Left. Most especially in terms of deploying the coercive and harassing power of government toward the right ends. For example, I've long thought getting a Proposition on the California Ballot, giving immigrants, including illegals, the right to sue employers individually and via Class Action, for failure to pay wages and benefits equal to that of citizens, would pass and fix their little red wagons.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anonymous-antimarxist
Crazy thought, but what if they’re not all 100% committed to that? What if a relatively small percentage are, and the rest assume that position because, in their social circle, that’s the accepted one?
Just because they’re billionaires doesn’t mean they aren’t sensitive to social pressure.
This has been my essential point, less the "social" qualifier. That should have been clear when I wrote of modifying their behavior. Per Eddie Murphy's character in Trading Places to the effect that the way to get even with rich people is to turn them into poor people, billionaires and corporate guys collectively need to be told what time it is. Otherwise they will have to rely on their Open Borders Party Friends to protect their private property. We all know how that will go. About ten minutes of foot stomping from the Libertarians, followed by a series of votes to take it away.
What a load of horse poop!!!!
Yes, the National Rifle Association is held out as a outstanding example of a successful single issue political organization. However you have recently listened to any uncensored open phones talk radio show? NRA members increasingly understand that the Second Amendment is unlikely to survive the day that white Christian Europeans become a minority in the USA. Rush echoes this point increasingly on his show and so does guest host Mark Steyn. If new legal and illegal aliens had the same culture, traditions, personalities, temperament, intelligence.... as the historical US population then this would not be an issue, but they clearly do not.
Therefore you can not discuss immigration restrictionism without mentioning Multiculturalism and its ideological roots in Cultural Marxism.
Immigration is many things but it sure as hell is not a "single issue" issue. It touches on every aspect of out daily life and future.Replies: @MLK
Perhaps I should have been a little clearer on my mention of the NRA. The NRA came under a lot of pressure from Republicans to abandon its endorsement of Democrats who had long offered steadfast support for gun rights. The NRA told the Republican Party to tell their story walking.
Immigration is indeed a “single issue,” and more so in the most important respects than gun rights. You will note that I’ve alluded to moving the ball forward (or not) on Immigration. Whether a Moratorium or simply policies that restrict immigration, the proof is in the pudding. Interpreting the data would only take a moment away from your jibber jabber about Multiculturalism and Cultural Marxism.
On this we wholeheartedly agree. Which is why I cannot think of a single programmatic goal I wouldn’t delay or sacrifice in pursuit of a Moratorium or 1920s-1965 restrictionism.
Jewish Billionaires, along with pretty much all other billionaires, along with pretty much the rest of what we could call the commanding heights of the American economy, are in favor of unending mass immigration and amnesty too. In short, the entire American economy is predicated on it, along with increasing private and public debt. Meanwhile, characters like you are carrying on about Jewish Billionaire and Cultural Marxists.
Until and unless Immigration Restrictionists abandon what amounts to magical thinking -- and that is about as generous as I can be as to the prospects of this "Grand Bargain," even if people like you could somehow be consigned to the children's table for the period of negotiations -- it will be further Immigration Surges and Amnesties.
There are ways to move the ball forward. Unfortunately, many Immigration Restrictionists are like you. If sticking it to the Jews is central to the plan there is little interest.
Conservatives need to learn from the Left. Most especially in terms of deploying the coercive and harassing power of government toward the right ends. For example, I've long thought getting a Proposition on the California Ballot, giving immigrants, including illegals, the right to sue employers individually and via Class Action, for failure to pay wages and benefits equal to that of citizens, would pass and fix their little red wagons.Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anonymous-antimarxist
Oh Please!!! The frail little soul must need his fainting couch.
You most certainly know what it means; “Those Who Must Not Be Named” in reference to the old saying attributed to many but most often to Voltaire, “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize:”
Anyone who voices opposition to Open Borders no matter how intelligently, calmly, persuasively, effectively, logically……. is going to be viciously attacked as a xenophobe, racist, bigot, nativistm Nazi ….. And you very well know that the organizations who make these attacks are overwhelming staffed, lead and financed by Jews, the SPLC being the prime example but there are literally hundreds of others. The one thing that may never be discussed in the “MSM” or what I refer to as the Cultural Marxist Media is that Jews are overwhelmingly behind the Open Borders movement. Hence TWMNBN!!!!
Heaven help the poor fellow who naively openly mentions the role Jews have played in destroying our nation’s sovereignty. Using TWMNBN serves to remind one to never be so foolish as ever drop one’s guard and point out the obvious.
Oy Vey!!! What a load of BS!!!
Arguing for the extension of extra-judicial rights to law breaking illegal aliens is a favorite tactic of the Open Borders zealots at the ACLU, AILA, and NLG. That you would even remotely think this would be a good idea testifying to your alleged immigration restrictionist bonafides is hysterical. Now illegals can stay or at least enter and re-enter the US as long as they need legal counsel or have their day in court.
Just because they're billionaires doesn't mean they aren't sensitive to social pressure.Replies: @MLK
“Just because they’re billionaires doesn’t mean they aren’t sensitive to social pressure.”
This has been my essential point, less the “social” qualifier. That should have been clear when I wrote of modifying their behavior. Per Eddie Murphy’s character in Trading Places to the effect that the way to get even with rich people is to turn them into poor people, billionaires and corporate guys collectively need to be told what time it is. Otherwise they will have to rely on their Open Borders Party Friends to protect their private property. We all know how that will go. About ten minutes of foot stomping from the Libertarians, followed by a series of votes to take it away.
Right-wing Zionist Jews probably wouldn’t mind if a patriotic U.S. government began kicking out Mexicans. They could get along with such a government, just as they got along with Apartheid South Africa and Pinochet’s Chile. They were also friendly towards Milosevic’s Yugoslavia.
The problem is that right-wing Zionist Jews are not numerous, not wealthy, and not influential outside of Israel. These aren’t the Jews you need to talk to if you’re interested in reducing immigration to the U.S.
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Does it occur to anyone that whether or not countries of modest dimensions who do not project power outside their immediate environs 'get along' is generally an idle question?Replies: @Steve Sailer
Steve, you’ve made a number of factual errors and a couple of IMHO predictive ones.
Factually, the US foreign policy summed up in the Carter Doctrine has mostly been complimentary with Israel’s security goal but has at times been in opposition to it. Famously, Ariel Sharon opposed removing Saddam because it upset the balance of powers between Saddam and Iran. W and his people wanted an alternative client petro state with the ability to pump out ultra cheap oil (this is important) to the House of Saud after 9/11. That however left the counterweight to Iran entirely the US military and Sharon accurately foresaw that the changing American demographics would not support that.
NOW, the US interest (cheap oil and gas from the Gulf) is in accordance with the Israelis (they don’t get nuked out of existence as a demonstration of Iran’s nuclear power). Unfortunately for everyone Obama is on the side of the Iranians making that moot.
Secondly, Zionist Union (re-branded Labor) WAS in fact in cahoots with Arab List. This is why polling suggesting a Zionist Union victory was so off — voters responded to the cries from Bibi that NGOs from Obama were busing in Arab voters (this has been denounced as RACIST!!!!111eleventy!111!!!! by the media and Dems but I repeat myself) and that there would be no Palestinian State while Bibi was Prime Minister. While Arab List had ruled out formal participation, they made no secret of wanting to form an informal margin of confidence with Zionist Union, who in turn were in favor of: A. Open Borders; B. Right of Return for Palestinians; C. A Palestinian State (which would have as Bibi said resulted in Hamasistan on the West Bank).
More broadly, the FT and other outlets have dissected the election results. Ashkenazi Jews living in the “Tel Aviv Bubble” voted heavily for Zionist Union. One playwright called Bibi voters a bunch of idol kissers (referring to some ritual where observant Jews kiss some symbol or something — not Jewish so I don’t get it but it was meant as insult like Bible thumpers). Those who voted Bibi were Mizrahi or from Russia, and were often rocketed or victims of terrorism (neither applies in the Tel Aviv Bubble).
I think your error in assumptions are that power follows money. That Jewish Oligarchs have power. Russia suggests that they do not — that they do what they are told by people with power and thus are allowed to keep their money. The power in America rests with the non-White functional majority: Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims. This shift has allowed the Trustafarians to run rampant from Occupy Wall Street to the anti-War movement to BDS in both forms: Bush Derangement Syndrome or anti-Israel.
You also assume a coronation which seems unlikely. It is Barack Obama’s party now, not the Clintons. If he does not want her, she won’t get the nod. He might run again, cancel elections, choose a puppet like Cory Booker, there is no real check on him.
Yes I agree Jews form the core of money and people in the media backing Dems. But so what, Putin’s Russia is at least a good a model for Obama’s America as anything else. Obama will tell Haim Saban and Larry Ellison what to do — or put them in jail for whatever he wants to charge them with and strip them of their money. There’s not a damn thing they can do about it. Any more than Russian Oligarchs could resist Putin. Jewish Oligarchs will put out the money for say, a Corey Booker promising to invade Israel and establish a Palestinian State because they have no other choice in keeping their freedom and billions.
Which means long term you will get Jessica Valenti, Al Sharpton, and Keith Ellison as the prime media movers of the Democratic Party.
Even if Hillary! comes to some agreement with Obama and is allowed to get the nomination, can you see her undoing the agreement for nuclear weapons with Iran that Obama has reached? Really? Obama’s whole foreign policy has been: A. Get Whitey. B. Get Whitey real good. C. Make America weak to … D. Get Whitey. E. Get those ultra White Whiteys, Jews. F. Make substitute Mommy Valerie happy. Jarret of course is a Farsi speaking, Iranian born, Black woman with an attitude.
My guess is that very soon now the Democratic Party will “no Whites need apply” and immensely hostile to Israel and Jews. And that Israel and the House of Saud will team up to pre-emptively strike Iran before they are victims of Anschluss and Lebensraum respectively.
The Iranians are dangerous because they are organized and over-confident. They are not a rabble like ISIS. They can think and plan and create nukes and launch satellites already. They just are over-confident against a decadent West.
Assuming Sessions decides to run, one can be assured that Jews from across the political spectrum, will be lined up in full throated attack mode. You will be able to count the number of Jewish Sessions supporters on your fingers and toes. It will be a thousand times more virulent than anything Sarah Palin faced.
No Jewish Billionaire that I can think of will sit down and talk about Open Borders or Israel with Sessions. Any “conversation” would be one way with Sessions being lectured to on the importance of Open Borders to Jews.
If you have any idea of the hostility that could be coming Session’s way take a look at his wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Sessions#Failed_nomination_to_the_district_court
My dad was Christian, my mom Jewish.
We had a tiny little Christmas tree with ornaments (hey, it was NYC). We had a small little menorah.
No gnashing of teeth on either side.
There will have to be a Jew vs Jew war.
There is no way that even the most right-wing Jews are going to side with goyim against fellow Jews. Right-wing Jews may hate left-wing Jews, but they are Jews first and still prefer leftist Jews over right-wing goyim. And the ideas of joining with white conservatives to bash fellow Jews is sickening to Jews. Even Meir Kahane denounced the American Right for going after Jewish leftists during the 'McCarthy Era'.When Vietnam persecuted the Chinese capitalists in the Boat People fiasco, communist China was awful angry about how their fellow ethnics were treated.
Chinese commies didn't side with Vietnamese commies against Cochin-Chinese capitalists. Some things are thicker than ideology.
The idea of right-wing Jews attacking left-wing Jews to serve the white nationalism of American conservatives seems far-fetched.Besides, while it's permissible for Liberal Jews to attack White/Christian Conservatives as 'whites' and 'Christians, American politics only allows attack on Jewish Liberals/Leftists on ideological grounds, not tribal grounds. They can be called 'bad Liberals' and 'bad Leftists' but never as 'bad Jews'. Jewish Liberals can go ethnic in their attack,but white conservatives can't. And if white conservatives did go ethnic and called out on JEWISH Leftists and Liberals, Jewish Rightists will defend their fellow Jews cuz the idea of any attack on Jews(even leftist ones) is sickening to Rightwing Jews.Replies: @SFG
I’d be happy to help you go after Shelly Adelson if I didn’t think I’d wind up in a concentration camp after you’d killed him. That’s the problem with race wars.
As it is, I prefer to donate to FAIR, etc. I’m fine with America staying white. But brown in either sense of the word, not so much.
Won’t work. The real problem, IMHO, as others have said, is that billionaires like immigration–it mostly hurts poor people and middle-class people. Jews tend to be both more likely to be pro-immigration and billionaires, so this is why you see what you see.
Here’s what I think you should do. (Take it or leave it; I claim no backup other than my arguments.) If there’s one thing Jews are afraid of, it’s anti-Semitism. You need to find ways of spreading the meme that ‘vibrant’ types don’t like Jews, see them as whites, and a browner America is dangerous to Jews. (Look at what’s happening in Europe, or at ‘polar bear hunting’ in Brooklyn.) A scare campaign might move a few into the anti-immigration column.
Of course, what you really need is your own billionaire. But that, I have no solution for. Ron, any ideas?
Now there is a likely ceiling of secular Jewish support that corresponds to the white support that is matched demographically and spatially. In other words, how well does the GOP actually perform among metro-Boston college-educated white gentiles? I'm not sure they do comparatively worse among Boston-area Jews.Replies: @Bill
Yeah, the Jews are going to vote for that anti-immigration GOP candidate . . . ummmm, what was his name . . . Tom Tancredo? Yeah, that’s it. Did well last year in the Colorado gubernatorial primary.
Or is he dead? I can’t keep track any more. Anyway, surely he or someone just like him will be the GOP nominee the Jews will be lovin on. Maybe that sheriff guy from Arizona or New Mexico or whatever. The one who feeds his prisoners bologna sandwiches before he deports them all to Chiapas or Guatemala or NachoLibre. One of them guys will surely win a majority of Jewish support. Problem solved!
Isn’t it great how pretty much all problems can be solved via the GOP winning elections! That and Jewish outreach. Can’t go wrong with those two.
Factually, the US foreign policy summed up in the Carter Doctrine has mostly been complimentary with Israel's security goal but has at times been in opposition to it. Famously, Ariel Sharon opposed removing Saddam because it upset the balance of powers between Saddam and Iran. W and his people wanted an alternative client petro state with the ability to pump out ultra cheap oil (this is important) to the House of Saud after 9/11. That however left the counterweight to Iran entirely the US military and Sharon accurately foresaw that the changing American demographics would not support that.
NOW, the US interest (cheap oil and gas from the Gulf) is in accordance with the Israelis (they don't get nuked out of existence as a demonstration of Iran's nuclear power). Unfortunately for everyone Obama is on the side of the Iranians making that moot.
Secondly, Zionist Union (re-branded Labor) WAS in fact in cahoots with Arab List. This is why polling suggesting a Zionist Union victory was so off -- voters responded to the cries from Bibi that NGOs from Obama were busing in Arab voters (this has been denounced as RACIST!!!!111eleventy!111!!!! by the media and Dems but I repeat myself) and that there would be no Palestinian State while Bibi was Prime Minister. While Arab List had ruled out formal participation, they made no secret of wanting to form an informal margin of confidence with Zionist Union, who in turn were in favor of: A. Open Borders; B. Right of Return for Palestinians; C. A Palestinian State (which would have as Bibi said resulted in Hamasistan on the West Bank).
More broadly, the FT and other outlets have dissected the election results. Ashkenazi Jews living in the "Tel Aviv Bubble" voted heavily for Zionist Union. One playwright called Bibi voters a bunch of idol kissers (referring to some ritual where observant Jews kiss some symbol or something -- not Jewish so I don't get it but it was meant as insult like Bible thumpers). Those who voted Bibi were Mizrahi or from Russia, and were often rocketed or victims of terrorism (neither applies in the Tel Aviv Bubble).
I think your error in assumptions are that power follows money. That Jewish Oligarchs have power. Russia suggests that they do not -- that they do what they are told by people with power and thus are allowed to keep their money. The power in America rests with the non-White functional majority: Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims. This shift has allowed the Trustafarians to run rampant from Occupy Wall Street to the anti-War movement to BDS in both forms: Bush Derangement Syndrome or anti-Israel.
You also assume a coronation which seems unlikely. It is Barack Obama's party now, not the Clintons. If he does not want her, she won't get the nod. He might run again, cancel elections, choose a puppet like Cory Booker, there is no real check on him.
Yes I agree Jews form the core of money and people in the media backing Dems. But so what, Putin's Russia is at least a good a model for Obama's America as anything else. Obama will tell Haim Saban and Larry Ellison what to do -- or put them in jail for whatever he wants to charge them with and strip them of their money. There's not a damn thing they can do about it. Any more than Russian Oligarchs could resist Putin. Jewish Oligarchs will put out the money for say, a Corey Booker promising to invade Israel and establish a Palestinian State because they have no other choice in keeping their freedom and billions.
Which means long term you will get Jessica Valenti, Al Sharpton, and Keith Ellison as the prime media movers of the Democratic Party.
Even if Hillary! comes to some agreement with Obama and is allowed to get the nomination, can you see her undoing the agreement for nuclear weapons with Iran that Obama has reached? Really? Obama's whole foreign policy has been: A. Get Whitey. B. Get Whitey real good. C. Make America weak to ... D. Get Whitey. E. Get those ultra White Whiteys, Jews. F. Make substitute Mommy Valerie happy. Jarret of course is a Farsi speaking, Iranian born, Black woman with an attitude.
My guess is that very soon now the Democratic Party will "no Whites need apply" and immensely hostile to Israel and Jews. And that Israel and the House of Saud will team up to pre-emptively strike Iran before they are victims of Anschluss and Lebensraum respectively.
The Iranians are dangerous because they are organized and over-confident. They are not a rabble like ISIS. They can think and plan and create nukes and launch satellites already. They just are over-confident against a decadent West.Replies: @Jack D, @Oscar Peterson, @Bill
Again with the Obama cancelling the elections shtick. Please give it a rest. It just calls into question the rest of what you say. Some of the rest ALMOST makes sense but when you throw in that Obama is going to become our dictator for life then EVERYTHING you say can be dismissed as tinfoil hat ranting.
Among other things, he discussed how Israelis/Jews/zionists/antii-zionists make use of identity politics -- actually, attach themselves and their minority group to some other identity group in order to gain majority status, majority strength, majority cover.
Atzmon used the example of a Jewish writer Sarah Schulman who, purportedly speaking on behalf of Palestinians, wrote a book about gays in Palestine under the title, Israel/Palestine and the Queer International
How is Sailer's proposal different from that example, and how should Americans view the oh-so-generous offer to allow Americans to define their own immigration standards in return for supporting Israeli apartheid anything other than moral blackmail?
Keep your money.
Return American representative government to the American people, not the billionaires.
Selling out is what got USA in the mess it is today.
Anyway, We're all rooting for Jim Webb.Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @Anonymous
Great points. The idea that there can be anything like the “grand bargain” that Steve Sailer imagines, is just absurd.
I like a lot of what Steve writes, but he suffers, in a peculiar and idiosyncratic way, from the same thing that the American Renaissance people do: The Great White Hope that organized Jewry can somehow be prevailed on to accept a “bargain” of some kind that preserves the primacy of European/Christian/Classical culture. Such a grand bargain could never be deemed to be “good for the Jews.” Any meaningful preservation of European/Christian traditional culture will never be acceptable from the perspective of aggressive organized Jewry. Pursuing such a bargain is sheer delusion.
Which raises this question: Would Tribal Jews, if they had to choose, rather see the destruction of the European gene pool or the maintenance of the Zionist project in Palestine?
Your way of thinking is most akin to the Palestinians -- who have spent decades clinging to their official sweet thoughts about the Jews.
I'm always dispirited when I am forced to acknowledge that there are many like you on my team. Or at least seemingly so since some emanations are so dumb I often think they derive from either useful idiocy or even provocation. No tribe is collectively dumb when it comes to self-preservation and protection. But it any are it ain't Jews. Yet there are many like you who have a brilliant plan to get them into a transactional bargain with those who cannot even stop themselves from reminding their counter-party the ills they wish upon them.Replies: @anonymous-antimarxist, @Bill
Everything except Israel worship.
Yeah, praising the tribe has gotten us . . . and then there was . . . and, uh, . . . and let’s not forget . . . Derbyshire’s philosemitism has certainly served him well. No way Taki would have picked him up without that. Oh wait, isn’t Taki an officialbadperson? Well, I’m sure I’ll think of something.
You are so dumb it is painful. Sadat fought an actual war with Israel. With guns and tanks and dead people and everything. And, yet, mysteriously to you, the Israelis managed to enter into a transactional bargain with an officialbadperson with officialbadwishes like him. In politics, entering into transactional bargains with people you don’t like is kinda the job description.
You can’t bargain with someone if you have nothing to offer. You can’t bargain with someone if the only thing you disagree with them on is the thing you want from them. That’s the Whole. F%#@ing. Point. of Steve’s column.
Factually, the US foreign policy summed up in the Carter Doctrine has mostly been complimentary with Israel's security goal but has at times been in opposition to it. Famously, Ariel Sharon opposed removing Saddam because it upset the balance of powers between Saddam and Iran. W and his people wanted an alternative client petro state with the ability to pump out ultra cheap oil (this is important) to the House of Saud after 9/11. That however left the counterweight to Iran entirely the US military and Sharon accurately foresaw that the changing American demographics would not support that.
NOW, the US interest (cheap oil and gas from the Gulf) is in accordance with the Israelis (they don't get nuked out of existence as a demonstration of Iran's nuclear power). Unfortunately for everyone Obama is on the side of the Iranians making that moot.
Secondly, Zionist Union (re-branded Labor) WAS in fact in cahoots with Arab List. This is why polling suggesting a Zionist Union victory was so off -- voters responded to the cries from Bibi that NGOs from Obama were busing in Arab voters (this has been denounced as RACIST!!!!111eleventy!111!!!! by the media and Dems but I repeat myself) and that there would be no Palestinian State while Bibi was Prime Minister. While Arab List had ruled out formal participation, they made no secret of wanting to form an informal margin of confidence with Zionist Union, who in turn were in favor of: A. Open Borders; B. Right of Return for Palestinians; C. A Palestinian State (which would have as Bibi said resulted in Hamasistan on the West Bank).
More broadly, the FT and other outlets have dissected the election results. Ashkenazi Jews living in the "Tel Aviv Bubble" voted heavily for Zionist Union. One playwright called Bibi voters a bunch of idol kissers (referring to some ritual where observant Jews kiss some symbol or something -- not Jewish so I don't get it but it was meant as insult like Bible thumpers). Those who voted Bibi were Mizrahi or from Russia, and were often rocketed or victims of terrorism (neither applies in the Tel Aviv Bubble).
I think your error in assumptions are that power follows money. That Jewish Oligarchs have power. Russia suggests that they do not -- that they do what they are told by people with power and thus are allowed to keep their money. The power in America rests with the non-White functional majority: Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims. This shift has allowed the Trustafarians to run rampant from Occupy Wall Street to the anti-War movement to BDS in both forms: Bush Derangement Syndrome or anti-Israel.
You also assume a coronation which seems unlikely. It is Barack Obama's party now, not the Clintons. If he does not want her, she won't get the nod. He might run again, cancel elections, choose a puppet like Cory Booker, there is no real check on him.
Yes I agree Jews form the core of money and people in the media backing Dems. But so what, Putin's Russia is at least a good a model for Obama's America as anything else. Obama will tell Haim Saban and Larry Ellison what to do -- or put them in jail for whatever he wants to charge them with and strip them of their money. There's not a damn thing they can do about it. Any more than Russian Oligarchs could resist Putin. Jewish Oligarchs will put out the money for say, a Corey Booker promising to invade Israel and establish a Palestinian State because they have no other choice in keeping their freedom and billions.
Which means long term you will get Jessica Valenti, Al Sharpton, and Keith Ellison as the prime media movers of the Democratic Party.
Even if Hillary! comes to some agreement with Obama and is allowed to get the nomination, can you see her undoing the agreement for nuclear weapons with Iran that Obama has reached? Really? Obama's whole foreign policy has been: A. Get Whitey. B. Get Whitey real good. C. Make America weak to ... D. Get Whitey. E. Get those ultra White Whiteys, Jews. F. Make substitute Mommy Valerie happy. Jarret of course is a Farsi speaking, Iranian born, Black woman with an attitude.
My guess is that very soon now the Democratic Party will "no Whites need apply" and immensely hostile to Israel and Jews. And that Israel and the House of Saud will team up to pre-emptively strike Iran before they are victims of Anschluss and Lebensraum respectively.
The Iranians are dangerous because they are organized and over-confident. They are not a rabble like ISIS. They can think and plan and create nukes and launch satellites already. They just are over-confident against a decadent West.Replies: @Jack D, @Oscar Peterson, @Bill
What planet are you on? Obama’s WH is like Fort Apache with the Indians whooping and hollering and firing flaming arrows at him. The Democratic establishment maintains a distance from him, and the vast majority of Democratic congressmen showed up for Bibi’s and Boehner’s attempt to humiliate him (once again.)
“His party?” Obama is just trying to fight his way to the finish line. He knows he can never have the post-presidiential high life that Bill Clinton has enjoyed. He’ll just have to salvage what he can. The decision on who gets nominated in 2016 is certainly not his.
I have suspicions about the significance of your name, “Whiskey.” Time to stop hitting the bottle.
It wasn’t just “right-wing Zionist Jews” who got along with Apartheid South Africa. The Israel-South Africa special relationship began in the early 70s under Labor PM Golda Meir, after Israel lost much of its support in Sub-Saharan Africa after the 1967 war. The Saintly-Martyr-for-Peace Yitzhak Rabin further cemented the relationship in the mid-70s. Shimon Peres was a particularly committed supporter of South African apartheid.
The newspaper of Mapam (the ancestor of Meretz, the furthest left Zionist party in the Knesset today), even published racist articles in the 1980s that wouldn’t be out of place here, including one that explained why blacks and Arabs are genetically inferior to whites and Jews, which is why Jewish fighter pilots are the best in the world, and blacks in the US are only good for short-distance running.
Maybe this grand bargain idea really could work…
No. The public antagonism of the Tropical African governments dates from 1973, when they were promised special deals by Arab governments during the oil embargo and subsequent periods. Israel had had fairly congenial dealings with African governments prior to that, with technical crews working here and there on development projects. After 7 or 8 years, African governments began restoring relations with Israel in dribs and drabs.
There was no 'special relationship'. They had diplomatic relations and some trade.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux
I can’t quite get my mind around how Steve even thinks this could work.
Kevin MacDonald made a Grand Bargain offer straight-up to Organized Jewry that if they’d knock it off with the mass immigration agitating, he himself would advocate for U.S. support of Israel, even if at some cost to ourselves.
Did it accomplish anything? Did Org Jewry agree to this good deal? Did it even get the Jews to stop bashing him as the Most Horrible Person in America? Nope.
Getting an Immigration Moratorium is just going to have to be a job that us American-Americans will have to do ourselves.
Yep. Core Americans are going to have to revive that can-do attitude they've been such exemplars of in the past.
I like a lot of what Steve writes, but he suffers, in a peculiar and idiosyncratic way, from the same thing that the American Renaissance people do: The Great White Hope that organized Jewry can somehow be prevailed on to accept a "bargain" of some kind that preserves the primacy of European/Christian/Classical culture. Such a grand bargain could never be deemed to be "good for the Jews." Any meaningful preservation of European/Christian traditional culture will never be acceptable from the perspective of aggressive organized Jewry. Pursuing such a bargain is sheer delusion.Replies: @Anonymous, @silviosilver
Such a grand bargain could never be deemed to be “good for the Jews.” Any meaningful preservation of European/Christian traditional culture will never be acceptable from the perspective of aggressive organized Jewry. Pursuing such a bargain is sheer delusion.
Which raises this question: Would Tribal Jews, if they had to choose, rather see the destruction of the European gene pool or the maintenance of the Zionist project in Palestine?
Factually, the US foreign policy summed up in the Carter Doctrine has mostly been complimentary with Israel's security goal but has at times been in opposition to it. Famously, Ariel Sharon opposed removing Saddam because it upset the balance of powers between Saddam and Iran. W and his people wanted an alternative client petro state with the ability to pump out ultra cheap oil (this is important) to the House of Saud after 9/11. That however left the counterweight to Iran entirely the US military and Sharon accurately foresaw that the changing American demographics would not support that.
NOW, the US interest (cheap oil and gas from the Gulf) is in accordance with the Israelis (they don't get nuked out of existence as a demonstration of Iran's nuclear power). Unfortunately for everyone Obama is on the side of the Iranians making that moot.
Secondly, Zionist Union (re-branded Labor) WAS in fact in cahoots with Arab List. This is why polling suggesting a Zionist Union victory was so off -- voters responded to the cries from Bibi that NGOs from Obama were busing in Arab voters (this has been denounced as RACIST!!!!111eleventy!111!!!! by the media and Dems but I repeat myself) and that there would be no Palestinian State while Bibi was Prime Minister. While Arab List had ruled out formal participation, they made no secret of wanting to form an informal margin of confidence with Zionist Union, who in turn were in favor of: A. Open Borders; B. Right of Return for Palestinians; C. A Palestinian State (which would have as Bibi said resulted in Hamasistan on the West Bank).
More broadly, the FT and other outlets have dissected the election results. Ashkenazi Jews living in the "Tel Aviv Bubble" voted heavily for Zionist Union. One playwright called Bibi voters a bunch of idol kissers (referring to some ritual where observant Jews kiss some symbol or something -- not Jewish so I don't get it but it was meant as insult like Bible thumpers). Those who voted Bibi were Mizrahi or from Russia, and were often rocketed or victims of terrorism (neither applies in the Tel Aviv Bubble).
I think your error in assumptions are that power follows money. That Jewish Oligarchs have power. Russia suggests that they do not -- that they do what they are told by people with power and thus are allowed to keep their money. The power in America rests with the non-White functional majority: Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims. This shift has allowed the Trustafarians to run rampant from Occupy Wall Street to the anti-War movement to BDS in both forms: Bush Derangement Syndrome or anti-Israel.
You also assume a coronation which seems unlikely. It is Barack Obama's party now, not the Clintons. If he does not want her, she won't get the nod. He might run again, cancel elections, choose a puppet like Cory Booker, there is no real check on him.
Yes I agree Jews form the core of money and people in the media backing Dems. But so what, Putin's Russia is at least a good a model for Obama's America as anything else. Obama will tell Haim Saban and Larry Ellison what to do -- or put them in jail for whatever he wants to charge them with and strip them of their money. There's not a damn thing they can do about it. Any more than Russian Oligarchs could resist Putin. Jewish Oligarchs will put out the money for say, a Corey Booker promising to invade Israel and establish a Palestinian State because they have no other choice in keeping their freedom and billions.
Which means long term you will get Jessica Valenti, Al Sharpton, and Keith Ellison as the prime media movers of the Democratic Party.
Even if Hillary! comes to some agreement with Obama and is allowed to get the nomination, can you see her undoing the agreement for nuclear weapons with Iran that Obama has reached? Really? Obama's whole foreign policy has been: A. Get Whitey. B. Get Whitey real good. C. Make America weak to ... D. Get Whitey. E. Get those ultra White Whiteys, Jews. F. Make substitute Mommy Valerie happy. Jarret of course is a Farsi speaking, Iranian born, Black woman with an attitude.
My guess is that very soon now the Democratic Party will "no Whites need apply" and immensely hostile to Israel and Jews. And that Israel and the House of Saud will team up to pre-emptively strike Iran before they are victims of Anschluss and Lebensraum respectively.
The Iranians are dangerous because they are organized and over-confident. They are not a rabble like ISIS. They can think and plan and create nukes and launch satellites already. They just are over-confident against a decadent West.Replies: @Jack D, @Oscar Peterson, @Bill
We can put this next to “The WASPs run Hollywood” in Whiskey’s Hall of Curious Observations.
Among other things, he discussed how Israelis/Jews/zionists/antii-zionists make use of identity politics -- actually, attach themselves and their minority group to some other identity group in order to gain majority status, majority strength, majority cover.
Atzmon used the example of a Jewish writer Sarah Schulman who, purportedly speaking on behalf of Palestinians, wrote a book about gays in Palestine under the title, Israel/Palestine and the Queer International
How is Sailer's proposal different from that example, and how should Americans view the oh-so-generous offer to allow Americans to define their own immigration standards in return for supporting Israeli apartheid anything other than moral blackmail?
Keep your money.
Return American representative government to the American people, not the billionaires.
Selling out is what got USA in the mess it is today.
Anyway, We're all rooting for Jim Webb.Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @Anonymous
How is Sailer’s proposal different from that example, and how should Americans view the oh-so-generous offer to allow Americans to define their own immigration standards in return for supporting Israeli apartheid anything other than moral blackmail?
Keep your money.
Return American representative government to the American people, not the billionaires.
Selling out is what got USA in the mess it is today.
Anyway, We’re all rooting for Jim Webb.
Great post.
(I do not wish to distract from it, but, merely to elaborate on one of the threads therein: something many of our own intellectuals do not seem to understand is that we are a highly moral people. We choose to do that which we think, or are led to believe, is right. The jews understand this about us. Ironically, many of our own do not. We won’t be galvanized by an option that is presented as screwing someone over (in this case, the Gentiles in Palestine)..)
And then there was that big bang 1,000 miles south of Cape Town in 1978.
Not that I can remember. The religious parties are useful as coalition partners for both sides because their priorities are discrete and can be met with deals and accommodation. After 1982, constitutionally Arab parties were all pretty much hostile to Israel as a political entity, something which would impede coalition building quite apart from public policy differences (between the Communist Party and the Labor Party, to take one exampe).
Here's what I think you should do. (Take it or leave it; I claim no backup other than my arguments.) If there's one thing Jews are afraid of, it's anti-Semitism. You need to find ways of spreading the meme that 'vibrant' types don't like Jews, see them as whites, and a browner America is dangerous to Jews. (Look at what's happening in Europe, or at 'polar bear hunting' in Brooklyn.) A scare campaign might move a few into the anti-immigration column.
Of course, what you really need is your own billionaire. But that, I have no solution for. Ron, any ideas?Replies: @Anon
Does that fear factor at all into their being pro immigration?
Kevin MacDonald made a Grand Bargain offer straight-up to Organized Jewry that if they'd knock it off with the mass immigration agitating, he himself would advocate for U.S. support of Israel, even if at some cost to ourselves.
Did it accomplish anything? Did Org Jewry agree to this good deal? Did it even get the Jews to stop bashing him as the Most Horrible Person in America? Nope.
Getting an Immigration Moratorium is just going to have to be a job that us American-Americans will have to do ourselves.Replies: @Anonymous
Getting an Immigration Moratorium is just going to have to be a job that us American-Americans will have to do ourselves.
Yep. Core Americans are going to have to revive that can-do attitude they’ve been such exemplars of in the past.
after Israel lost much of its support in Sub-Saharan Africa after the 1967 war.
No. The public antagonism of the Tropical African governments dates from 1973, when they were promised special deals by Arab governments during the oil embargo and subsequent periods. Israel had had fairly congenial dealings with African governments prior to that, with technical crews working here and there on development projects. After 7 or 8 years, African governments began restoring relations with Israel in dribs and drabs.
The Israel-South Africa special relationship
There was no ‘special relationship’. They had diplomatic relations and some trade.
They could get along with such a government, just as they got along with Apartheid South Africa and Pinochet’s Chile.
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Does it occur to anyone that whether or not countries of modest dimensions who do not project power outside their immediate environs ‘get along’ is generally an idle question?
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Does it occur to anyone that whether or not countries of modest dimensions who do not project power outside their immediate environs 'get along' is generally an idle question?Replies: @Steve Sailer
It wasn’t an idle question to Israel’s various governments, that’s for sure.
There was no 'special relationship'. They had diplomatic relations and some trade.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux
South Africa’s mining industry was perhaps half-controlled by Jewish interests. It made for lots of important ties.
RE: Israel's relationship with South Africa,
Very interesting how that never seemed to bother liberal, anti-Apartheid Jews in the USA.Also interesting how it doesn't get brought up very often...
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The motormouth who wastes everyone's time quoting Wikipedia to me seems to fancy it's a matter of note that the South African foreign minister visited Israel (as if foreign ministers visiting foreign capitals was unusual), that South Africa bought a piece of military equipment off of Israel, that an unspecified number of South African nationals resided in Israel for a time, blah blah. All of which indicates that Israel treated South Africa as a normal country. Prior to 1985, so did the United States. Nothing remarkable about that.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux
“And, in the USA, all of those elites are in favor of mass immigration/race replacement”
Immigration? Yes. Race replacement? No. Regardless, do not these “elites” have the liberty to promote an agenda that decidedly benefits them, just like the course of actions that the “elites” you support?
“Contradiction in terms, I should think”
You should think not. The elites are groups of people that hold power and make concerted efforts to sway public opinion–labor unions, heads of corporations, conservative pundits, ethnic nationalists (e.g. pro-white, pro-black, pro-Hispanic).
“None. Sadly, no elites in the USA share my opinions.”
You have clearly demonstrated you are an advocate of the pro-white elite and of the conservative elite, which our dear host is part and parcel to.
“Whom, not who.Something of a lost cause, I fear.”
Well, take SFG’s advice–You need to find ways of spreading the meme that ‘vibrant’ types don’t like Jews, see them as whites, and a browner America is dangerous to Jew.
“We were talking about the Holocaust in class, and the La Raza and Black students started complaining about the Holocaust Museum in Washington.”
Yet, somehow, in the class I was in, those same students asked relevant questions about how and why such atrocities could be committed.
“Not I. That would squelch my chances at tenure.”
“In contrast, my PC colleagues extol the coming end of European America at conference after conference…”
Then you are a chicken-shit. Stand up for something you believe in. (Tsk, tsk) I thought playing the victim card was only reserved for feminists and minorities. Take heart, my friend. Even liberals would support you.
http://www.mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2015/03/marquette-in-academic-freedom-hall-of.html
“Where? Not in the Ivy League. Or within the corridors of power in Washington.”
Where? Crimethink among the conservative intelligentsia and within some populations of the American South.
“The highest honor that a European person can attain in contemporary society.”
See, the Al Sharptons of the world would yell “race traitor” to blacks who call out his nonsense.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/23/black-woman-unleashes-blistering-tirade-against-sharpton-obama-and-de-blasio-race-baiting-tired-pathetic/
See, the David Dukes of the world would yell “race traitor” to whites who call out his nonsense.
http://www.therefinersfire.org/david_duke.htm
The liberal media has its narrative–white nationalists are a threat. Reporters dare not put forth anyone who criticizes their story. Similarly, the conservative media has its narrative–feminists and minorities and immigrants are a threat. Reporters dare not put forth anyone who criticizes their story. One in the same, my friend, one in the same–elitist race baiters who deem anyone who challenges the narrative as race traitors.
“If a said anything remotely similar to “White Power” in public, I would lose my job.”
Depends what you say and how you say it. Besides, you know full well that in some positions you have to tow the company line. Bullshit? Absolutely. But it is YOUR choice whether or not to play by those rules, try to skirt them, or outright “violate” them. I suggest you follow the lead of Professor Adams at Marquette. Fight black power! Fight brown power! Fight Jew power! Yeah, white power!
“In contrast, a colleague down the hall has pasted on his door various projected dates for the end of European dominance in the USA.”
Well, the truth of the matter, from his point of view, Europeans did piss off a lot of people off with their air of superiority and imperialistic tendencies. It is in their DNA as the “builders of Western Civilization”. What did you expect?
You can’t negotiate with Jews over politics. They’re liberal therefore crazy.
The joke went that Apartheid was fascism for the Blacks, socialism for the Afrikaners, and capitalism for the English and the Jews.
RE: Israel’s relationship with South Africa,
Very interesting how that never seemed to bother liberal, anti-Apartheid Jews in the USA.Also interesting how it doesn’t get brought up very often…
Krystol penned the letter that Cotton cliamed to have written to Iran. Did he write this article also? Must be a very busy man trying to finagle two birds kill each other and him not losing the stone.
You sure know a lot about Israel. How did you come by the knowledge?
The USA can no longer be described as real blood and soil nation founded by a real genetic homogenous population. The Wasps gave up the ghost years ago, the Act of 1924 was their last hurrah and attempt to hang on to their country. Thus came Hart-Cellar and the utter ruination of Kennedy/Johnson. There's just no getting away from that, it's a done deal. Time to grow up and face up to it. The chance to do anything about it passed with the old jowlhound himself.
Look, the forces arranged against you are just too massive, too powerful and too overwhelming. The fact that 'Hispanics' multiplied their numbers 20 fold in 60 years should tell you that - and subcontinental immigration to the USA has only now started in earnest. Believe you me, *that* will make the mex deluge look like the proverbial vicarage tea party, complete with bucktoothed, absurd, buffoon C of E parson, the old bag blue rinse brigade, crust less cucumber sandwiches, Earl Grey and Battenberg cake. And then *will* come the sub Saharans, what? All 9 billion of them.
Now, let's all link arms for another round of Berkeley kumbaya, denounce the white privilege, and praise the yoni.Replies: @Ghost of John Adams, @LondonBob
Ah, the counsel of despair – not only not a winning strategy, but one that our opponents would have invented, propagated and codified if they thought they could.
If you believed what you have written you would have already taken your bow and shuffled off this mortal coil. Instead you work to drain the energy of those who can and enervate those who would. Are you for us or against us? If you are for us, then stop ‘helping’ us.
He doesn’t, actually.
Immigration? Yes. Race replacement? No. Regardless, do not these “elites” have the liberty to promote an agenda that decidedly benefits them, just like the course of actions that the "elites" you support?
“Contradiction in terms, I should think”
You should think not. The elites are groups of people that hold power and make concerted efforts to sway public opinion--labor unions, heads of corporations, conservative pundits, ethnic nationalists (e.g. pro-white, pro-black, pro-Hispanic).
“None. Sadly, no elites in the USA share my opinions.”
You have clearly demonstrated you are an advocate of the pro-white elite and of the conservative elite, which our dear host is part and parcel to.
“Whom, not who.Something of a lost cause, I fear.”
Well, take SFG’s advice--You need to find ways of spreading the meme that ‘vibrant’ types don’t like Jews, see them as whites, and a browner America is dangerous to Jew.
“We were talking about the Holocaust in class, and the La Raza and Black students started complaining about the Holocaust Museum in Washington.”
Yet, somehow, in the class I was in, those same students asked relevant questions about how and why such atrocities could be committed.
“Not I. That would squelch my chances at tenure.”
“In contrast, my PC colleagues extol the coming end of European America at conference after conference…”
Then you are a chicken-shit. Stand up for something you believe in. (Tsk, tsk) I thought playing the victim card was only reserved for feminists and minorities. Take heart, my friend. Even liberals would support you.
http://www.mu-warrior.blogspot.com/2015/03/marquette-in-academic-freedom-hall-of.html
“Where? Not in the Ivy League. Or within the corridors of power in Washington.”
Where? Crimethink among the conservative intelligentsia and within some populations of the American South.
“The highest honor that a European person can attain in contemporary society.”
See, the Al Sharptons of the world would yell “race traitor” to blacks who call out his nonsense.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/23/black-woman-unleashes-blistering-tirade-against-sharpton-obama-and-de-blasio-race-baiting-tired-pathetic/
See, the David Dukes of the world would yell “race traitor” to whites who call out his nonsense.
http://www.therefinersfire.org/david_duke.htm
The liberal media has its narrative--white nationalists are a threat. Reporters dare not put forth anyone who criticizes their story. Similarly, the conservative media has its narrative--feminists and minorities and immigrants are a threat. Reporters dare not put forth anyone who criticizes their story. One in the same, my friend, one in the same--elitist race baiters who deem anyone who challenges the narrative as race traitors.
“If a said anything remotely similar to “White Power” in public, I would lose my job.”
Depends what you say and how you say it. Besides, you know full well that in some positions you have to tow the company line. Bullshit? Absolutely. But it is YOUR choice whether or not to play by those rules, try to skirt them, or outright “violate” them. I suggest you follow the lead of Professor Adams at Marquette. Fight black power! Fight brown power! Fight Jew power! Yeah, white power!
“In contrast, a colleague down the hall has pasted on his door various projected dates for the end of European dominance in the USA.”
Well, the truth of the matter, from his point of view, Europeans did piss off a lot of people off with their air of superiority and imperialistic tendencies. It is in their DNA as the “builders of Western Civilization”. What did you expect?Replies: @syonredux
Mass immigration means race replacement, dear fellow.Last time I checked, the immigrants are not coming from Europe.
There are no elites who believe what I believe, dear fellow.
And there are no elites who hold White nationalist views.Well, maybe one or two do.But they keep their crimethink to themselves
There is no “pro-White elite,” dear fellow
If only Steve were a member of the elite….
MMMM, perhaps you know more Uncle Toms than I do….
Never said that I was brave, dear fellow
Wouldn’t do any good, dear fellow.The elite are against me.
It is.They get to play the card.People like me are simply forced to remain silent.
Not the Leftists at my university.To them, liberal is a term of abuse.
Dear fellow, David Duke (a genuine moron, incidentally) is totally powerless and irrelevant
What “conservative media,” dear fellow?
Precisely.The discourse is policed by the elite.And the elite want mass immigration/open borders
What he did, dear fellow.Anti-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are encouraged by the elite.
If your goal is to belittle your opponents, (which I assume it is), it is perhaps effective in elevating your emotional state if you are a narcissist, or possibly a solipsist.
If your goal is persuasion then your arguments fail. Put aside your cynical impulses and swear to never write again until you appreciate the elementary conditions of human reasoning. Your missives are often counterproductive though they need not be. If your arguments must include the implicit ad hominem component, you just aren't trying hard enough.
He is a heretic, and if you do not denounce the heretic, you too are a heretic.
There was no 'special relationship'. They had diplomatic relations and some trade.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93South_Africa_relations
We had a tiny little Christmas tree with ornaments (hey, it was NYC). We had a small little menorah.
No gnashing of teeth on either side.Replies: @fredyetagain aka superhonky
I’m glad your mom, unlike the woman in the article I read, didn’t get verklempt at the sight of homicidal antisemitic pine trees.
“The joke went that Apartheid was fascism for the Blacks, socialism for the Afrikaners, and capitalism for the English and the Jews.”
Fascism. Another word that is utterly devoid of any meaning. My turn. Diversity is fascism for pro-whites. See how easy it is?
“Mass immigration means race replacement, dear fellow.Last time I checked, the immigrants are not coming from Europe.”
No, my friend. Mass immigration means ETHNIC replacement. Historical trends is a mother. Indeed, the immigrant are not coming from Europe, they are coming from other countries. Again, do not American citizens have the liberty to make those decisions? Regardless, immigrants that come here become Americans.
FWIW, I actually support limiting immigration from all places.
“There are no elites who believe what I believe, dear fellow.”
[Laughs] the elites on this here blog you observably champion their causes.
“And there are no elites who hold White nationalist views.”
“There is no “pro-White elite,” dear fellow.”\
Now you’re just getting nasty. The crew at V-Dare is the media. They are part of the elite.
“MMMM, perhaps you know more Uncle Toms than I do….”
No, I happen to know less race baiters.
“Wouldn’t do any good, dear fellow. The elite are against me.”
Then you are a victim. Sad you would let yourself be steamrolled in that fashion.
“People like me are simply forced to remain silent.”
No one is forcing you do to anything. You are making a choice.
“Not the Leftists at my university.”
We are not talking about SOME of the leftists at your university. Did you not read the money quote from the Marquette post–”The fact that a liberal website would post such an article underlines an important fact: among liberals, there is still a substantial number of old-style traditionalists who favor free speech and expression.”
“Dear fellow, David Duke (a genuine moron, incidentally) is totally powerless and irrelevant.”
Elected to the Louisiana’s House of Representative. A prominent pro-white who is decidedly against the Jooish agenda. Why are you shaming him? He supports your causes.
“What “conservative media,” dear fellow?”
Fox News. V-Dare. National Review. Washington Examiner. Drudge Report. Legal Insurrection. Please, stop being a fool.
“The discourse is policed by the elite. And the elite want mass immigration/open borders”
Some among the corporatist elite. The pro-white elite think differently.
“Anti-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are encouraged by the elite.”
Pro-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are also encouraged by the elite–conservative media pundits, pro-white groups for starters.
Okay Lot, describe how we can
I lend you my ears.
“What “conservative media,” dear fellow?”Fox News supports mass immigration. VDARE has no influence.National Review kicked out the people who are against race replacement.Washington Examiner: Neo-con rag.Drudge Report:dog and pony show.Legal Insurrection:Another dog and pony showDear fellow, I'm simply being a realistic."Respectable" conservatives (like the National Review) are in favor destroying European AmericaCan you name some White billionaires who are shelling out massive wads of cash in an attempt to end mass immigration?There is no pro-White elite, dear fellow.Back in the day of Henry Cabot Lodge, yes.But not now.
RE: Dear Fellow,
Bit of a tick.General rule is that dear fellow is reserved for a minor annoyance, but dear boy is deployed against those who are being quite foolish.
syon, even though I frequently endorse your positions, I find your use of ‘dear fellow’ to be at least a needless distraction, sometimes a disgusting disparagement and occasionally a damnable impediment to our shared objectives.
If your goal is to belittle your opponents, (which I assume it is), it is perhaps effective in elevating your emotional state if you are a narcissist, or possibly a solipsist.
If your goal is persuasion then your arguments fail. Put aside your cynical impulses and swear to never write again until you appreciate the elementary conditions of human reasoning. Your missives are often counterproductive though they need not be. If your arguments must include the implicit ad hominem component, you just aren’t trying hard enough.
Notwithstanding your attempt to use parentheses to somehow alter reality, The King David Hotel was in fact a hotel. And no, it was not a legitimate military target. That the Irgun thought it was and that you agree says something about the Irgun and about you, but it does not in any way alter the fact that the bombing of the hotel (with 91 murdered therein) was an act of terrorism.Replies: @Lot
Can you explain your reasoning by which the “military headquarters” is not “a legitimate military target”
Also:
There’s some data on Jews and Christmas trees in the 2013 Pew survey:
So 71% of intermarried Jews and 1% of ultra-Orthodox Jews have Christmas trees. Pretty varied.
So the 9/11 terrorists who flew into the Pentagon weren’t terrorists?
Another difference is that when Irgun won, it disbanded into the armed forces of a liberal democracy, just as the Continental Army did. al Queda jihadis just keep killing people wherever they come into power locally.
I hate to disappoint you, Steve, but Israel is not nearly as determined to get its own illegal immigration under control, as you seem to think. There are about 70,000 Eritreans, Somalis and Sudanese firmly ensconced now in south Tel Aviv. (Scaled for population that would be like having 3.5 million of those guys in the USA.) Netanyahu would like them gone, the mayor of Tel Aviv would like them gone, most of all the majority of the citizenry would like them gone. And yet they stick around thanks to “civil rights” lawyers, European Union pressure, and a sympathetic Israeli Supreme Court.
The best thing going for Israel on this front is that the fence has almost totally eliminated the inflow of illegals.
Therefore, if Netanyahu was really determined to get rid of the Africans, he has potentially the full powers to do so.Replies: @International Jew
Reading the comment threads on my website is even better than watching an old Monty Pyton movie on Netflix. I get the impression that about 99% of the commenters are monomaniacal anti-immigrationists, with most of them being totally delusional ones.
Dave Pinsen:
Bill:
JSM:
Okay, so there’s the big negotiating sit-down over Immigration and Israel in the back room of a restaurant between the key players: Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and Peter Brimelow. Tough bargaining aimed at maybe closing a “Feasible Zionist-Gentile Grand Bargain”
Adelson: “If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Republican Party.”
Saban: “If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Democratic Party.”
Brimelow: “And if you give me what I want, I can deliver VDare.com…plus I’ll even throw in Kevin MacDonald’s endorsement!”
Somebody told me that Joe, the clerk who works the overnight shift down at the local 7-11, dropped a note to Adelson last week, saying that in exchange for a hundred million in cash, he’d promise to become a straight down the line pro-Israel advocate…
Also while I can't speak for others, I am a selectionist above a restrictionist.
As to MacDonald, he didn't think it was realistic to begin with, and he's quite conscious of his limited influence. He was only giving a theoretical reason why he doesn't support Israel, i.e. also a thought experiment. That's important because some people accused him that he's critical of Jews in the US and elsewhere (so he doesn't want Jews in the Galut), but that he's also critical of Israel, i.e. he doesn't want Jews in Israel either. In other words, he was accused of proposing the extermination of Jews. Obviously he perceives that the organized Jewish community (i.e. Jewish organizations) leave no room for him, pushing for both destructive wars and unlimited immigration. This in turns leaves him under no obligation not to criticize Jews both here and in Israel. (His critique of Israel always seemed to me an exposition of double standards - he never really cared for Palestinians, but he always wanted to destroy any moral high ground pro-Israel "Liberals" might have enjoyed vis-à-vis White ethnonationalists like himself.)
To stuff like this:http://www.ets.org/s/research/30079/asc-millennials-and-the-future.pdf
It's hard not to be "monomaniacal" about ending the mass immigration of Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds.Sadly true.The American elite are committed to "Mestizocizing" America .And once that well runs dry, they will invite in hundreds of millions of Sub-Saharan Africans.Nothing can stop this.What billionaires want, billionaires get.
You write as if there were something wrong with that.
Dave Pinsen:Bill:JSM:Okay, so there's the big negotiating sit-down over Immigration and Israel in the back room of a restaurant between the key players: Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and Peter Brimelow. Tough bargaining aimed at maybe closing a "Feasible Zionist-Gentile Grand Bargain"
Adelson: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Republican Party."
Saban: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Democratic Party."
Brimelow: "And if you give me what I want, I can deliver VDare.com...plus I'll even throw in Kevin MacDonald's endorsement!"
Somebody told me that Joe, the clerk who works the overnight shift down at the local 7-11, dropped a note to Adelson last week, saying that in exchange for a hundred million in cash, he'd promise to become a straight down the line pro-Israel advocate...Replies: @matt, @Lot, @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Anonymous
Ron, you’ve been refuting the ideas of your bloggers too often lately. It’s not nice.
The best thing going for Israel on this front is that the fence has almost totally eliminated the inflow of illegals.Replies: @Anonymous
Unlike any EU nation, Israel is a sovereign state, ultimately answerable to its parliament and its parliament alone. I take it that apart from the very big constitutional issues, the Israeli parliament has the power to abrogate or pass any law it wishes.
Therefore, if Netanyahu was really determined to get rid of the Africans, he has potentially the full powers to do so.
Shrubs draped in electric lights don’t necessarily bear any Christian symbolism.
If they were part of an organization with specific military goals, took steps to minimize civilian casualties, and bombed the Pentagon directly rather than by hijacking and crashing a civilian plane–no that would be not be terrorism.
Another difference is that when Irgun won, it disbanded into the armed forces of a liberal democracy, just as the Continental Army did. al Queda jihadis just keep killing people wherever they come into power locally.
Dave Pinsen:Bill:JSM:Okay, so there's the big negotiating sit-down over Immigration and Israel in the back room of a restaurant between the key players: Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and Peter Brimelow. Tough bargaining aimed at maybe closing a "Feasible Zionist-Gentile Grand Bargain"
Adelson: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Republican Party."
Saban: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Democratic Party."
Brimelow: "And if you give me what I want, I can deliver VDare.com...plus I'll even throw in Kevin MacDonald's endorsement!"
Somebody told me that Joe, the clerk who works the overnight shift down at the local 7-11, dropped a note to Adelson last week, saying that in exchange for a hundred million in cash, he'd promise to become a straight down the line pro-Israel advocate...Replies: @matt, @Lot, @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Anonymous
Why so coy? What issue is more important to America’s future?
Also while I can’t speak for others, I am a selectionist above a restrictionist.
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No, minorities lists associated with the Labor Party were part of parliamentary majorities prior to 1977 and the Druze population has been a notable component of the electoral base of some parties (e.g. Shas). Since that time, Arabs in parliament have generally been found in the caucuses of communist or Arab nationalist parties only loyal to the state in adherence to law. It isn't racial treason. Cabinet ministers have access to classified information. Some Arab politicians cannot be trusted and some would be put under considerable pressure by collateral relatives, &c.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @silviosilver
Just like in western democracies. Er, hang on…
I like a lot of what Steve writes, but he suffers, in a peculiar and idiosyncratic way, from the same thing that the American Renaissance people do: The Great White Hope that organized Jewry can somehow be prevailed on to accept a "bargain" of some kind that preserves the primacy of European/Christian/Classical culture. Such a grand bargain could never be deemed to be "good for the Jews." Any meaningful preservation of European/Christian traditional culture will never be acceptable from the perspective of aggressive organized Jewry. Pursuing such a bargain is sheer delusion.Replies: @Anonymous, @silviosilver
For its direct or purported benefits, yes. But the indirect benefit is that Jewish power structure’s refusal to bargain can open the eyes of people who could otherwise never, by any existent means, be persuaded to so much as consider the conflict of interests between Jews and white gentiles (and its one-sided outcomes), let alone take their own side in it.
Dave Pinsen:Bill:JSM:Okay, so there's the big negotiating sit-down over Immigration and Israel in the back room of a restaurant between the key players: Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and Peter Brimelow. Tough bargaining aimed at maybe closing a "Feasible Zionist-Gentile Grand Bargain"
Adelson: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Republican Party."
Saban: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Democratic Party."
Brimelow: "And if you give me what I want, I can deliver VDare.com...plus I'll even throw in Kevin MacDonald's endorsement!"
Somebody told me that Joe, the clerk who works the overnight shift down at the local 7-11, dropped a note to Adelson last week, saying that in exchange for a hundred million in cash, he'd promise to become a straight down the line pro-Israel advocate...Replies: @matt, @Lot, @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Anonymous
Steve probably meant that as a proposal for the anti-immigrationist wing of the Republican Party. Steve’s influence might not be too large, but some people do notice him. Ann Coulter reads him, and if you followed the UVA rape hysteria, his influence might have been even larger – probably some mainstream journalists are also reading him. But in any event this idea was more of a thought experiment.
As to MacDonald, he didn’t think it was realistic to begin with, and he’s quite conscious of his limited influence. He was only giving a theoretical reason why he doesn’t support Israel, i.e. also a thought experiment. That’s important because some people accused him that he’s critical of Jews in the US and elsewhere (so he doesn’t want Jews in the Galut), but that he’s also critical of Israel, i.e. he doesn’t want Jews in Israel either. In other words, he was accused of proposing the extermination of Jews. Obviously he perceives that the organized Jewish community (i.e. Jewish organizations) leave no room for him, pushing for both destructive wars and unlimited immigration. This in turns leaves him under no obligation not to criticize Jews both here and in Israel. (His critique of Israel always seemed to me an exposition of double standards – he never really cared for Palestinians, but he always wanted to destroy any moral high ground pro-Israel “Liberals” might have enjoyed vis-à-vis White ethnonationalists like himself.)
Actually, no.The old joke about South African Apartheid was quasi-educational.Your joke was rather lame.
Seeing as how the majority of immigrants coming to the USA at present are Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos, mass immigration means race replacement
In this case, it’s a trend that our elites are allowing
American elites do.Peons like myself have no say in the matter
Whatever that means these days
There are no elites on this blog, dear fellow
Dear fellow, I dearly wish that VDARE were part of the elite.That would be a cause for hope.Unfortunately, VDARE is not part of the elite.They have no influence in the corridors of power.
Dear fellow, attacking Whites is the mainstream these days
Just like the rest of the non-elite Whites in America
When the elite are against you, options are non-existent
Sure.I choose not to commit career suicide.
No, we are talking about all of them.
Where he had no power, no influence
Prominent as a bogeyman for the Left, someone that the SPLC talks up during fund-raisers.A clown.
Whatever that means
Because he’s an idiot
Actually, he’s far more useful to the POC Left.
“What “conservative media,” dear fellow?”
Fox News supports mass immigration. VDARE has no influence.National Review kicked out the people who are against race replacement.Washington Examiner: Neo-con rag.Drudge Report:dog and pony show.Legal Insurrection:Another dog and pony show
Dear fellow, I’m simply being a realistic.”Respectable” conservatives (like the National Review) are in favor destroying European America
Can you name some White billionaires who are shelling out massive wads of cash in an attempt to end mass immigration?
There is no pro-White elite, dear fellow.Back in the day of Henry Cabot Lodge, yes.But not now.
Fascism. Another word that is utterly devoid of any meaning. My turn. Diversity is fascism for pro-whites. See how easy it is?
“Mass immigration means race replacement, dear fellow.Last time I checked, the immigrants are not coming from Europe.”
No, my friend. Mass immigration means ETHNIC replacement. Historical trends is a mother. Indeed, the immigrant are not coming from Europe, they are coming from other countries. Again, do not American citizens have the liberty to make those decisions? Regardless, immigrants that come here become Americans.
FWIW, I actually support limiting immigration from all places.
“There are no elites who believe what I believe, dear fellow.”
[Laughs] the elites on this here blog you observably champion their causes.
“And there are no elites who hold White nationalist views.”
“There is no “pro-White elite,” dear fellow.”\
Now you’re just getting nasty. The crew at V-Dare is the media. They are part of the elite.
“MMMM, perhaps you know more Uncle Toms than I do….”
No, I happen to know less race baiters.
“Wouldn’t do any good, dear fellow. The elite are against me.”
Then you are a victim. Sad you would let yourself be steamrolled in that fashion.
“People like me are simply forced to remain silent.”
No one is forcing you do to anything. You are making a choice.
“Not the Leftists at my university.”
We are not talking about SOME of the leftists at your university. Did you not read the money quote from the Marquette post--”The fact that a liberal website would post such an article underlines an important fact: among liberals, there is still a substantial number of old-style traditionalists who favor free speech and expression.”
“Dear fellow, David Duke (a genuine moron, incidentally) is totally powerless and irrelevant.”
Elected to the Louisiana's House of Representative. A prominent pro-white who is decidedly against the Jooish agenda. Why are you shaming him? He supports your causes.
“What “conservative media,” dear fellow?”
Fox News. V-Dare. National Review. Washington Examiner. Drudge Report. Legal Insurrection. Please, stop being a fool.
“The discourse is policed by the elite. And the elite want mass immigration/open borders”
Some among the corporatist elite. The pro-white elite think differently.
“Anti-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are encouraged by the elite.”
Pro-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are also encouraged by the elite--conservative media pundits, pro-white groups for starters.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux
Actually, no.The old joke about South African Apartheid was quasi-educational.Your joke was rather lame.
Seeing as how the majority of immigrants coming to the USA at present are Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos, mass immigration means race replacement
In this case, it’s a trend that our elites are allowing
American elites do.Peons like myself have no say in the matter
Whatever that means these days.When my Jewish grandfather immigrated from Latvia, becoming an American meant something.Nowadays….
There are no elites on this blog, dear fellow
Dear fellow, I dearly wish that VDARE were part of the elite.That would be a cause for hope.Unfortunately, VDARE is not part of the elite.They have no influence in the corridors of power.
Dear fellow, attacking Whites is the mainstream these days
Just like the rest of the non-elite Whites in America
When the elite are against you, options are non-existent
Sure.I choose not to commit career suicide.
No, we are talking about all of them.
Where he had no power, no influence
Prominent as a bogeyman for the Left, someone that the SPLC talks up during fund-raisers.A clown.
Whatever that means
Because he’s an idiot
Actually, he’s far more useful to the POC Left.
Fox News supports mass immigration. VDARE has no influence.National Review kicked out the people who are against race replacement.Washington Examiner: Neo-con rag.Drudge Report:dog and pony show.Legal Insurrection:Another dog and pony show
Dear fellow, I’m simply being a realistic.”Respectable” conservatives (like the National Review) are in favor destroying European America
Can you name some White billionaires who are shelling out massive wads of cash in an attempt to end mass immigration?
There is no pro-White elite, dear fellow.Back in the day of Henry Cabot Lodge, yes.But not now.
Fascism. Another word that is utterly devoid of any meaning. My turn. Diversity is fascism for pro-whites. See how easy it is?
“Mass immigration means race replacement, dear fellow.Last time I checked, the immigrants are not coming from Europe.”
No, my friend. Mass immigration means ETHNIC replacement. Historical trends is a mother. Indeed, the immigrant are not coming from Europe, they are coming from other countries. Again, do not American citizens have the liberty to make those decisions? Regardless, immigrants that come here become Americans.
FWIW, I actually support limiting immigration from all places.
“There are no elites who believe what I believe, dear fellow.”
[Laughs] the elites on this here blog you observably champion their causes.
“And there are no elites who hold White nationalist views.”
“There is no “pro-White elite,” dear fellow.”\
Now you’re just getting nasty. The crew at V-Dare is the media. They are part of the elite.
“MMMM, perhaps you know more Uncle Toms than I do….”
No, I happen to know less race baiters.
“Wouldn’t do any good, dear fellow. The elite are against me.”
Then you are a victim. Sad you would let yourself be steamrolled in that fashion.
“People like me are simply forced to remain silent.”
No one is forcing you do to anything. You are making a choice.
“Not the Leftists at my university.”
We are not talking about SOME of the leftists at your university. Did you not read the money quote from the Marquette post--”The fact that a liberal website would post such an article underlines an important fact: among liberals, there is still a substantial number of old-style traditionalists who favor free speech and expression.”
“Dear fellow, David Duke (a genuine moron, incidentally) is totally powerless and irrelevant.”
Elected to the Louisiana's House of Representative. A prominent pro-white who is decidedly against the Jooish agenda. Why are you shaming him? He supports your causes.
“What “conservative media,” dear fellow?”
Fox News. V-Dare. National Review. Washington Examiner. Drudge Report. Legal Insurrection. Please, stop being a fool.
“The discourse is policed by the elite. And the elite want mass immigration/open borders”
Some among the corporatist elite. The pro-white elite think differently.
“Anti-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are encouraged by the elite.”
Pro-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are also encouraged by the elite--conservative media pundits, pro-white groups for starters.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux
Actually, no.The old joke about South African Apartheid was quasi-educational.Your joke was rather lame.
Seeing as how the majority of immigrants coming to the USA at present are Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos, mass immigration means race replacement
In this case, it’s a trend that our elites are allowing
American elites do.Peons like myself have no say in the matter
Whatever that means these days.When my Jewish grandfather immigrated from Latvia, becoming an American meant something.Nowadays….
There are no elites on this blog, dear fellow
Dear fellow, I dearly wish that VDARE were part of the elite.That would be a cause for hope.Unfortunately, VDARE is not part of the elite.They have no influence in the corridors of power.
Dear fellow, attacking Whites is the mainstream these days
Just like the rest of the non-elite Whites in America
When the elite are against you, options are non-existent
Sure.I choose not to commit career suicide.
No, we are talking about all of them.
Where he had no power, no influence
Prominent as a bogeyman for the Left, someone that the SPLC talks up during fund-raisers.A clown.
Whatever that means
Because he’s an idiot
Actually, he’s far more useful to the POC Left.
Fox News supports mass immigration. VDARE has no influence.National Review kicked out the people who are against race replacement.Washington Examiner: Neo-con rag.Drudge Report:dog and pony show.Legal Insurrection:Another dog and pony show
Dear fellow, I’m simply being a realistic.”Respectable” conservatives (like the National Review) are in favor destroying European America
Can you name some White billionaires who are shelling out massive wads of cash in an attempt to end mass immigration?
There is no pro-White elite, dear fellow.Back in the day of Henry Cabot Lodge, yes.But not now.
Fascism. Another word that is utterly devoid of any meaning. My turn. Diversity is fascism for pro-whites. See how easy it is?
“Mass immigration means race replacement, dear fellow.Last time I checked, the immigrants are not coming from Europe.”
No, my friend. Mass immigration means ETHNIC replacement. Historical trends is a mother. Indeed, the immigrant are not coming from Europe, they are coming from other countries. Again, do not American citizens have the liberty to make those decisions? Regardless, immigrants that come here become Americans.
FWIW, I actually support limiting immigration from all places.
“There are no elites who believe what I believe, dear fellow.”
[Laughs] the elites on this here blog you observably champion their causes.
“And there are no elites who hold White nationalist views.”
“There is no “pro-White elite,” dear fellow.”\
Now you’re just getting nasty. The crew at V-Dare is the media. They are part of the elite.
“MMMM, perhaps you know more Uncle Toms than I do….”
No, I happen to know less race baiters.
“Wouldn’t do any good, dear fellow. The elite are against me.”
Then you are a victim. Sad you would let yourself be steamrolled in that fashion.
“People like me are simply forced to remain silent.”
No one is forcing you do to anything. You are making a choice.
“Not the Leftists at my university.”
We are not talking about SOME of the leftists at your university. Did you not read the money quote from the Marquette post--”The fact that a liberal website would post such an article underlines an important fact: among liberals, there is still a substantial number of old-style traditionalists who favor free speech and expression.”
“Dear fellow, David Duke (a genuine moron, incidentally) is totally powerless and irrelevant.”
Elected to the Louisiana's House of Representative. A prominent pro-white who is decidedly against the Jooish agenda. Why are you shaming him? He supports your causes.
“What “conservative media,” dear fellow?”
Fox News. V-Dare. National Review. Washington Examiner. Drudge Report. Legal Insurrection. Please, stop being a fool.
“The discourse is policed by the elite. And the elite want mass immigration/open borders”
Some among the corporatist elite. The pro-white elite think differently.
“Anti-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are encouraged by the elite.”
Pro-European/anti-Anglo attitudes are also encouraged by the elite--conservative media pundits, pro-white groups for starters.Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux, @syonredux
Actually, no.The old joke about South African Apartheid was quasi-educational.Your joke was rather lame.
Seeing as how the majority of immigrants coming to the USA at present are Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos, mass immigration means race replacement
In this case, it’s a trend that our elites are allowing
American elites do.Peons like myself have no say in the matter
Whatever that means these days.When my Jewish grandfather immigrated from Latvia, becoming an American meant something.Nowadays….
There are no elites on this blog, dear fellow
Dear fellow, I dearly wish that VDARE were part of the elite.That would be a cause for hope.Unfortunately, VDARE is not part of the elite.They have no influence in the corridors of power.
Dear fellow, attacking Whites is the mainstream these days
Just like the rest of the non-elite Whites in America
When the elite are against you, options are non-existent
Sure.I choose not to commit career suicide.
No, we are talking about all of them.
Where he had no power, no influence
Prominent as a bogeyman for the Left, someone that the SPLC talks up during fund-raisers.A clown.
Whatever that means
Because he’s an idiot
Actually, he’s far more useful to the POC Left.
Fox News supports mass immigration. VDARE has no influence.National Review kicked out the people who are against race replacement.Washington Examiner: Neo-con rag.Drudge Report:dog and pony show.Legal Insurrection:Another dog and pony show
Dear fellow, I’m simply being a realistic.”Respectable” conservatives (like the National Review) are in favor destroying European America
Can you name some White billionaires who are shelling out massive wads of cash in an attempt to end mass immigration?
There is no pro-White elite, dear fellow.Back in the day of Henry Cabot Lodge, yes.But not now.
Sorry, I accidentally posted something to you that was meant for another
RE: Dear Fellow,
Bit of a tick.General rule is that dear fellow is reserved for a minor annoyance, but dear boy is deployed against those who are being quite foolish.
Dave Pinsen:Bill:JSM:Okay, so there's the big negotiating sit-down over Immigration and Israel in the back room of a restaurant between the key players: Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and Peter Brimelow. Tough bargaining aimed at maybe closing a "Feasible Zionist-Gentile Grand Bargain"
Adelson: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Republican Party."
Saban: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Democratic Party."
Brimelow: "And if you give me what I want, I can deliver VDare.com...plus I'll even throw in Kevin MacDonald's endorsement!"
Somebody told me that Joe, the clerk who works the overnight shift down at the local 7-11, dropped a note to Adelson last week, saying that in exchange for a hundred million in cash, he'd promise to become a straight down the line pro-Israel advocate...Replies: @matt, @Lot, @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Anonymous
Well, Ron, when you couple demographic projections:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/16/with-fewer-new-arrivals-census-lowers-hispanic-population-projections-2/
To stuff like this:
http://www.ets.org/s/research/30079/asc-millennials-and-the-future.pdf
It’s hard not to be “monomaniacal” about ending the mass immigration of Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds.
Sadly true.The American elite are committed to “Mestizocizing” America .And once that well runs dry, they will invite in hundreds of millions of Sub-Saharan Africans.Nothing can stop this.What billionaires want, billionaires get.
What’s so important about it? The Oppenheimer family is Jewish. This means what in context? Keep in mind that the Oppenheimer family was for decades in public opposition to baaskap and apartheid. They do not seem to have influenced the contours of the social order much at all in those years, much less influencing international relations.
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The motormouth who wastes everyone’s time quoting Wikipedia to me seems to fancy it’s a matter of note that the South African foreign minister visited Israel (as if foreign ministers visiting foreign capitals was unusual), that South Africa bought a piece of military equipment off of Israel, that an unspecified number of South African nationals resided in Israel for a time, blah blah. All of which indicates that Israel treated South Africa as a normal country. Prior to 1985, so did the United States. Nothing remarkable about that.
by Sasha Polakow-Suransky
A revealing account of how Israel’s booming arms industry and apartheid South Africa’s international isolation led to a secretive military partnership between two seemingly unlikely allies.
Prior to the Six-Day War, Israel was a darling of the international left: socialist idealists like David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir vocally opposed apartheid and built alliances with black leaders in newly independent African nations. South Africa, for its part, was controlled by a regime of Afrikaner nationalists who had enthusiastically supported Hitler during World War II.
But after Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories in 1967, the country found itself estranged from former allies and threatened anew by old enemies. As both states became international pariahs, their covert military relationship blossomed: they exchanged billions of dollars’ worth of extremely sensitive material, including nuclear technology, boosting Israel’s sagging economy and strengthening the beleaguered apartheid regime.
By the time the right-wing Likud Party came to power in 1977, Israel had all but abandoned the moralism of its founders in favor of close and lucrative ties with South Africa. For nearly twenty years, Israel denied these ties, claiming that it opposed apartheid on moral and religious grounds even as it secretly supplied the arsenal of a white supremacist government.
Sasha Polakow-Suransky reveals the previously classified details of countless arms deals conducted behind the backs of Israel’s own diplomatic corps and in violation of a United Nations arms embargo. Based on extensive archival research and exclusive interviews with former generals and high-level government officials in both countries, The Unspoken Alliance tells a troubling story of Cold War paranoia, moral compromises, and Israel’s estrangement from the left. It is essential reading for anyone interested in Israel’s history and its future.
http://www.amazon.com/Unspoken-Alliance-Israels-Relationship-Apartheid-ebook/dp/B0036S4AR2/ref=la_B002WNCFBU_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427384297&sr=1-1http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/alliance-relationship-apartheid
Let go of my leg. What are the implications of Chile and Israel not ‘getting along’? They are thousands of miles apart and neither expects to influence the immediate environs of the other. Israeli manufacturers would have to buy copper from some other locus if they were really antagonistic. That’s about it.
What, you fancy Jewish cabinet secretaries are guilty of espionage or treason or think the United States should be dissolved in favor of some other political entity? Which ones did you have in mind?
No, what I had in mind was that in Israel the ethnic background/interests of a politician is allowed to matter. In western democracies it's considered meaningless, and anyone who'd think otherwise is simply sick in the head. In other words, it's just another in a long list of Jewish/gentile double standards and just another way in which Israeli democracy is very unlike western democracy.
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The motormouth who wastes everyone's time quoting Wikipedia to me seems to fancy it's a matter of note that the South African foreign minister visited Israel (as if foreign ministers visiting foreign capitals was unusual), that South Africa bought a piece of military equipment off of Israel, that an unspecified number of South African nationals resided in Israel for a time, blah blah. All of which indicates that Israel treated South Africa as a normal country. Prior to 1985, so did the United States. Nothing remarkable about that.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux
Nuclear bombs.
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The motormouth who wastes everyone's time quoting Wikipedia to me seems to fancy it's a matter of note that the South African foreign minister visited Israel (as if foreign ministers visiting foreign capitals was unusual), that South Africa bought a piece of military equipment off of Israel, that an unspecified number of South African nationals resided in Israel for a time, blah blah. All of which indicates that Israel treated South Africa as a normal country. Prior to 1985, so did the United States. Nothing remarkable about that.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux
Rather more than that, dear fellow.Joint nuclear project:
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The motormouth who wastes everyone's time quoting Wikipedia to me seems to fancy it's a matter of note that the South African foreign minister visited Israel (as if foreign ministers visiting foreign capitals was unusual), that South Africa bought a piece of military equipment off of Israel, that an unspecified number of South African nationals resided in Israel for a time, blah blah. All of which indicates that Israel treated South Africa as a normal country. Prior to 1985, so did the United States. Nothing remarkable about that.Replies: @Steve Sailer, @syonredux, @syonredux
The Unspoken Alliance: Israel’s Secret Relationship with Apartheid South Africa
by Sasha Polakow-Suransky
A revealing account of how Israel’s booming arms industry and apartheid South Africa’s international isolation led to a secretive military partnership between two seemingly unlikely allies.
Prior to the Six-Day War, Israel was a darling of the international left: socialist idealists like David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir vocally opposed apartheid and built alliances with black leaders in newly independent African nations. South Africa, for its part, was controlled by a regime of Afrikaner nationalists who had enthusiastically supported Hitler during World War II.
But after Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories in 1967, the country found itself estranged from former allies and threatened anew by old enemies. As both states became international pariahs, their covert military relationship blossomed: they exchanged billions of dollars’ worth of extremely sensitive material, including nuclear technology, boosting Israel’s sagging economy and strengthening the beleaguered apartheid regime.
By the time the right-wing Likud Party came to power in 1977, Israel had all but abandoned the moralism of its founders in favor of close and lucrative ties with South Africa. For nearly twenty years, Israel denied these ties, claiming that it opposed apartheid on moral and religious grounds even as it secretly supplied the arsenal of a white supremacist government.
Sasha Polakow-Suransky reveals the previously classified details of countless arms deals conducted behind the backs of Israel’s own diplomatic corps and in violation of a United Nations arms embargo. Based on extensive archival research and exclusive interviews with former generals and high-level government officials in both countries, The Unspoken Alliance tells a troubling story of Cold War paranoia, moral compromises, and Israel’s estrangement from the left. It is essential reading for anyone interested in Israel’s history and its future.
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/alliance-relationship-apartheid
Dave Pinsen:Bill:JSM:Okay, so there's the big negotiating sit-down over Immigration and Israel in the back room of a restaurant between the key players: Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, and Peter Brimelow. Tough bargaining aimed at maybe closing a "Feasible Zionist-Gentile Grand Bargain"
Adelson: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Republican Party."
Saban: "If you give me what I want, I can deliver the Democratic Party."
Brimelow: "And if you give me what I want, I can deliver VDare.com...plus I'll even throw in Kevin MacDonald's endorsement!"
Somebody told me that Joe, the clerk who works the overnight shift down at the local 7-11, dropped a note to Adelson last week, saying that in exchange for a hundred million in cash, he'd promise to become a straight down the line pro-Israel advocate...Replies: @matt, @Lot, @reiner Tor, @syonredux, @Anonymous
I get the impression that about 99% of the commenters are monomaniacal anti-immigrationists
You write as if there were something wrong with that.
“Mondoweiss”? Why not just cut to the chase and send me to the PLO press office?
The problem with literature like this (which John Prados and Seymour Hersch have been producing for decades) is that if there is no scandal, you’ve got no book, and you took an advance. There commonly is not a competing set of authors or anything you can check readily or (given the use of off-the-record interviews, check at all), which leaves the authors a great deal of leeway to con you.
And general characterizations of what your political enemies ‘think’ about x, y, or z are not of any value.
Syon, the mainstream press who once employed him gave up on Seymour Hersh 30 years ago. By 1996, his work was being ridiculed in those outlets (see reviews thereof by Garry Wills in the Washington Post). An aspect of that was incredible claims he would make about process (for example, claiming to have interviewed ‘1,000’ people for one book but listing only a small fraction in his bibliography “Hersh is known for the harsh and hectoring phone call”) and another aspect was testimony from former research assistants of Hersh about the sort of material he was willing to use. At least quote someone reputable if we’re all to hear about what the purveyors of scandal literature ‘believe’.
What nuclear bombs? South Africa’s productive capacity in 1980 exceeded that of Israel by a factor of 4; why would it seem plausible to you they were dependent on Israeli technology no one knows squat about? Whence comes your habit of treating poorly sourced contentions about secret programs as if they were well-known established facts?
As for the arrangement between Israel and South Africa, what's so hard to understand? Two states with a few things in common pooling resources....
Thus, the German bomb of the 1940s was as much a ghost as the Iraqi bomb of the 2000s.Replies: @reiner Tor
Don’t worry, dear fellow.Just stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes and hope that the truth will somehow vanish.
Barring that, point and sputter.
Just to be clear, you’re surely not implying that Israel doesn’t have nuclear weaponry?Or do you regard that as rumor mongering by journalists seeking a book sale?
As for the arrangement between Israel and South Africa, what’s so hard to understand? Two states with a few things in common pooling resources….
I’d like to ask the same question as syon. Do you think there could be reasonable doubt as to whether Israel has nuclear weapons?
It’s not just Hersh, dear fellow…..
Art Deco is not worth engaging on this topic. Everyone has their brain-eating memetic parasites, Arty just happens to have a different one than you and most of the rest of the commenters here.
I know you know that. I asked Art Deco’s opinion on this question.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.562796
http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/05/24/israels-most-illicit-affair/
Actually I didn’t have in mind Jewish politicians or functionaries. I think it goes without saying they’ll share information with Israel (or anyone else they deem it in their interests too). Of course, that’s anti-semitic, which means it can’t possibly be true.
No, what I had in mind was that in Israel the ethnic background/interests of a politician is allowed to matter. In western democracies it’s considered meaningless, and anyone who’d think otherwise is simply sick in the head. In other words, it’s just another in a long list of Jewish/gentile double standards and just another way in which Israeli democracy is very unlike western democracy.
They came to spend the rest of their lives in America. That makes them immigrants.
Except for gigantic China and India, no nation without a significant Jewish minority (majority in one case) has been able to join the nuclear club until very recently. Seems to be an important ingredient.
Thus, the German bomb of the 1940s was as much a ghost as the Iraqi bomb of the 2000s.
Thus, the German bomb of the 1940s was as much a ghost as the Iraqi bomb of the 2000s.Replies: @reiner Tor
That’s a rather bizarre theory. South Africa was simply too small and without any expertise to build a bomb, unlike Israel, which had some Manhattan Project talent and probably some informal help from that talent pool. But they needed raw materials. South Africa might have managed to build simple gun-design bombs, but apparently they were aiming higher. In any event Israeli expertise helped them and the in turn helped the Israelis with raw materials.
“Actually, no. The old joke about South African Apartheid was quasi-educational.Your joke was rather lame.”
If you are a professor, you are being rather obtuse. I was not joking, I was offering an observation. Do you project onto your students how the world ought to work or seek to indoctrinate them?
“Seeing as how the majority of immigrants coming to the USA at present are Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos, mass immigration means race replacement.”
They are a mix of European and native blood. Multi-racial. Some could reasonably argue they are white. Then again, damn those Europeans for intermingling with Central and South Americans. Race traitors!
“In this case, it’s a trend that our elites are allowing.”
You are purposely avoiding the key question—Do not American citizens have the liberty to make those decisions?
“Peons like myself have no say in the matter”
If indeed you are professor, you are an integral part of the elite, that being higher educational institution.
“Dear fellow, I dearly wish that VDARE were part of the elite.That would be a cause for hope. Unfortunately, VDARE is not part of the elite.They have no influence in the corridors of power.”
Lord knows why you are outright being intellectually dishonest. VDARE and conservative new sites are part of the media. The media directly influences citizens. Some of those citizens seek elected office, who use VDARE and other media outlets as the sounding board and springboard to push their agenda.
“Dear fellow, attacking Whites is the mainstream these days”
So is race baiting by whites, blacks, Asians, etc., my friend.
“When the elite are against you, options are non-existent”
Observably false. Refer to the Marquette case I cited.
“Where he had no power, no influence.”
David Duke wielded power in his district and could work to push his agenda, the same one that you support.
“Respectable” conservatives (like the National Review) are in favor destroying European America.”
First, it depends on how one defines “destroy”. Again, do not American citizens have the liberty to make those decisions?
Second, from your perspective, does conservative = exclusively champion European-American? Seriously, I would like to know IF you would support this narrow definition on what constitutes a conservative.
“The American elite are committed to “Mestizocizing” America”
The same argument was made in the 1850’s. Nativists—who happened to be white—in the clearly labeled the Irish as “savage” and “uncivilized” as they arrived to America and made the distinction that the Irish were other than white. Irish-Americans were referred to as “white
ni——“. Similarly, nativists in the 1890’s referred to Italians as vile creatures utterly incapable of becoming assimilated. They advanced pseudo scientific theories that alleged that “Mediterranean” types were inherently inferior to people of northern European heritage.
So, how did the Irish and Italians magically become “white”, “civilized”, and “tamed”? Were the nativists wrong in their assessment?
The USA can no longer be described as real blood and soil nation founded by a real genetic homogenous population. The Wasps gave up the ghost years ago, the Act of 1924 was their last hurrah and attempt to hang on to their country. Thus came Hart-Cellar and the utter ruination of Kennedy/Johnson. There's just no getting away from that, it's a done deal. Time to grow up and face up to it. The chance to do anything about it passed with the old jowlhound himself.
Look, the forces arranged against you are just too massive, too powerful and too overwhelming. The fact that 'Hispanics' multiplied their numbers 20 fold in 60 years should tell you that - and subcontinental immigration to the USA has only now started in earnest. Believe you me, *that* will make the mex deluge look like the proverbial vicarage tea party, complete with bucktoothed, absurd, buffoon C of E parson, the old bag blue rinse brigade, crust less cucumber sandwiches, Earl Grey and Battenberg cake. And then *will* come the sub Saharans, what? All 9 billion of them.
Now, let's all link arms for another round of Berkeley kumbaya, denounce the white privilege, and praise the yoni.Replies: @Ghost of John Adams, @LondonBob
LBJ, first Jewish President. Crypto Texan on his maternal line.
Therefore, if Netanyahu was really determined to get rid of the Africans, he has potentially the full powers to do so.Replies: @International Jew
You’d be surprised how leftist, and how powerful, the Israeli Supreme Court is. Netanyahu doesn’t even get to nominate/appoint new justices the way a US Pres does. New members of Israel’s Supreme Court are nominated by the existing members (with some input from the bar association)!
Insulting David Duke is an obligatory expression of obeisance to the forces of political correctness. Never mind that none of his publically expressed policy prescriptions are in any way morally objectionable. Never mind that his writings show that he is more perspicacious than 99% of the electorate.
He is a heretic, and if you do not denounce the heretic, you too are a heretic.
Which is how it should be.
“Never mind that none of his publically expressed policy prescriptions are in any way morally objectionable.”
To certain Southrons, exactly. Otherwise, to Christians, Duke’s policies are out of touch with observable reality.