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This was retweeted by Annie Lowrey, a quite bright economics writer for New York, NYT, Slate, etc. who is married to Vox founder Ezra Klein. So, it is, safe to say, representative of The Conventional Wisdom, which is increasingly:
“The United States is a sovereign country.”
Wow. Just wow.
Along the lines of a previous Steve suggestion that the GOP work to brand the Democrats as “the black party,” maybe now they have an excellent opportunity to brand them as the “Muslim party.”
Or why not both? Breitbart: “Nancy Pelosi Caught on Hot Mic to Dem Rep Carson: ‘Tell Them You’re A Muslim’” http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/01/31/nancy-pelosi-caught-on-hot-mic-to-dem-rep-carson-tell-them-youre-a-muslim/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
The Black Muslim Party should do great in the flyover states!
The look on face was interesting. A little pissy at me for bringing it up, but she didn't deny it, which means that she knew that to some degree that I was right.
Btw, my wife may be a little bit of a Nice White Lady but she knows the score with blacks. Just doesn't like to talk about it. However, if blacks don't stop bring it up, she won't like it much.Replies: @Anonym
whats “wow” is that highlighted portions are correct., and that someone in usgovt realizes it.
multigen jihad must be avoided
annie lowery can drag her mattress back to MENA.
It also seems that Mr. Hamid tacitly admitted that large Muslim populations lead to a permanent terror threat (really, a low intensity insurgent war), but that suffering such a state of affairs is not a fate worse than racism.Replies: @Jefferson
Wow!
Much of the Muslim reaction to Trump goes to show that, as organisms, humans are materialists(seekers of comfort and convenience) before tribalists(keepers of memory, heritage, and lineage).
Given all the mess caused in the Middle East and North Africa by American foreign policy(dictated by Zionists & Wars for Israel, Energy companies & control of markets, and Military-Industrial-Complex & addiction to superpower arrogance), you’d think the main message from Muslims would be LEAVE US ALONE and INFIDEL YANKEE GO HOME!!!
Instead, the main message is LET US IN FOR A SLICE OF THE AMERICAN PIE!!
Instead of Moral Outrage over America’s neo-imperialist horror-show in the Middle East and North Africa, all the bitter rhetoric is about America not being ‘welcoming’ enough to more Muslims. Given the decadent state of American Culture, why would any self-respecting Muslim even want to come to the US?
And if Muslims are self-respecting, why aren’t they sufficiently angry about American meddling and invasions of the Middle East?
In the end, Muslims can’t stand one another and figure even infidel America treats them better than they do one another. And they figure the infidel West offers more comfort and convenience than the Muslim world does.
So, their main moral fixation is about America-letting-them-in than a sincere effort to defend their realm from the infidel.
Besides, if the Muslim World wasn’t so divided, the US wouldn’t be able to play divide-and-conquer and form alliances to mess up the whole region.
In the end, Muslims want more cookies in America than falafel in the Middle East. And they’ll give up identity, history, faith, and principles for more cookies.
A truly self-respecting Muslim would first say DON’T INVADE US before PLEASE INVITE US. But it seems they sense that the Right of Invasion/Intervention by the US is their ticket to Invitation to the West.
Muslims are fine with their countries; what you see as "messed up", they see as strong and able to send people out to conquer the world. Not too many of them come here to live as Americans; they come here to live as Muslims and bless us with their religion.Replies: @Jefferson, @Corvinus
It’s too bad Samuel Huntington, the author of the book — Who Are We? The Challenges To America’s National Identity — is no longer among the living. Huntington wrote that the United States is a British Protestant settler nation-state. Huntington would have provided some nice pushback to the notion that America has no fixed founding stock.
I would say that America is a European Christian nation-state.
The ruling class of the American Empire insists that the USA is a multicultural proposition region.
Less than half the kids being born in the U.S. are white. Most won't ever go to church.
That Protestant, Anglo-Saxon culture won't last with the new population, much like trying to grow tropical fruit in Canada. Culture grows from the people, not the other way around.Replies: @Jefferson, @Ed, @Alec Leamas
Anheuser-Busch, a subsidiary of Belgian multinational InBev, is taunting the Trump ban with a superbowl ad.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832
It's a shame that greedy Americans sold Budweiser to these foreigners.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
"Budweiser Says Super Bowl Ad About Immigrant Founder Is Not Political Commentary"Replies: @Forbes
Or why not both? Breitbart: "Nancy Pelosi Caught on Hot Mic to Dem Rep Carson: ‘Tell Them You’re A Muslim’" http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/01/31/nancy-pelosi-caught-on-hot-mic-to-dem-rep-carson-tell-them-youre-a-muslim/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
The Black Muslim Party should do great in the flyover states!Replies: @Jefferson, @Citizen of a Silly Country
“Or why not both? Breitbart: “Nancy Pelosi Caught on Hot Mic to Dem Rep Carson: ‘Tell Them You’re A Muslim’”
Because Pelosi is such a common last name among Muslims. It doesn’t scream Italian at all.
“The Black Muslim Party should do great in the flyover states!”
Is Minnesota a part of Flyover Country? Because they are represented by a Black Muslim named Keith Ellison. Swedes sure love Islam and Blackness, whether it is in Sweden or their diaspora descendents in Minnesota. Both Sweden and Minnesota have a sizable Somali Muslim population.
You must’ve seen this linked today on the DrudgeReport:
In this country, and in Canada, the yellows are standing with the blacks and browns against the larger white culture. Good luck with that. I’m sure the blacks and browns will admire your qualities, talents, and culture like whites have. And I’m sure when whites are pushed off the stage Asians and Jews will really start to thrive.
The unemployment and welfare rate for North Africans in France is so high that they might as well be called Gypsies.Replies: @Clyde
Seizing from the whites would be difficult. Taking it from the blacks and browns, not so much.
I see the Asians in British Columbia and Washington the same way I do Latin Americans in California and the Southwest: settlers.Replies: @Chrisnonymous
Asian men, in particular, had better think this through more carefully. Everybody digs (East) Asian chicks and black men will simply slap Asian men out of the way to get a piece of that action.
It's unlikely for any minority to completely side with the majority except under very unique circumstances. If anything there is a slow shift away from SJWism within the Asian community, as more and more young Asians are perceiving it as excessive, as well as a newfound nationalist pride in our home countries.
Asian-Americans are obviously not going to go alt-right, but our own sense of nationalism will eventually put us in conflict with the ideas of the liberal left. It's just a matter of time, and preparation.Replies: @Jefferson
The elite just cannot accept the idea of a sovereign country deciding who goes in and who does not.
Hopefully, this trend will also be followed by other countries also becoming sovereign.
Germany, France, etc. They were just following the diktat of Globalism and trying to imitate the U.S.
But if the U.S. goes towards nationalism, there’s hope they will go nationalist too. At least, it’s to be hoped. Then it’s endgame for globonazis.
Liberal Europeans hate sovereignty. It is at the core of their identity.
Liberal Americans have traditionally differed from their European counterparts precisely on this matter. See the likes of Anne-Marie Slaughter, for example. When she redefines sovereignty for the world, she really means rule by the United States.
But now liberal Americans have gone full liberal European at precisely the moment that the Europeans are rediscovering sovereignty. Liberal Americans have become like fashion in the old Soviet Union, always about 10 years behind the curve.
Canada took in a lot of loyalists. Perhaps it should now be viewed as a future destination for many in the US who won’t want to stay here. Canada is calling. They have a PC government that they voted in so they should love all the diversity we can send their way. The movie stars will be bonus to clinch the deal.
It's become increasingly less so as it fills up with dindus and Asians. A bunch of libtard celebrities won't make much difference either to Canada or the US.
But, if the US could persuade its vibrant population to move there...
Trump should quote the ‘Father of Pakistan’ Jinnah, who persuaded the British that an India containing a large Muslim population would inevitably fall apart.
Muslims in France are cackling merrily over how open borders idiot Macron is the socialist presidential candidate at a time when Thatcherite rightist Fillon has been wounded by an expenses scandal.
See twitter feed of Muslim Brotherhood operative Hani Ramadan who uses the French law and human rights like a cudgel.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_HaniRamadan
(French)
multigen jihad must be avoidedannie lowery can drag her mattress back to MENA.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @JerryC
She already suffers under the heavy hand of her own Sheik Ezra.
It also seems that Mr. Hamid tacitly admitted that large Muslim populations lead to a permanent terror threat (really, a low intensity insurgent war), but that suffering such a state of affairs is not a fate worse than racism.
You can tie the Orlando nightclub terrorist attack to anti-Hispanic racism on the part of Omar Mateen. Why didn't he choose a White Homo nightclub instead to attack?Replies: @Kyle McKenna
Or why not both? Breitbart: "Nancy Pelosi Caught on Hot Mic to Dem Rep Carson: ‘Tell Them You’re A Muslim’" http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/01/31/nancy-pelosi-caught-on-hot-mic-to-dem-rep-carson-tell-them-youre-a-muslim/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
The Black Muslim Party should do great in the flyover states!Replies: @Jefferson, @Citizen of a Silly Country
I actually used Steve’s idea on my old-school liberal, i.e. blue-collar family history, wife with the women’s march. Told her about the clash between the Nice White Ladies and the sisters. Then I said that she’d need to “check her privilege” from now on if she’s going to stay a Dem.
The look on face was interesting. A little pissy at me for bringing it up, but she didn’t deny it, which means that she knew that to some degree that I was right.
Btw, my wife may be a little bit of a Nice White Lady but she knows the score with blacks. Just doesn’t like to talk about it. However, if blacks don’t stop bring it up, she won’t like it much.
I had a discussion with my wife on the subject. What prompted it was my showing of the following to her, very on topic:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nR7VhRq2yns
She would rather not be confronted by the politics, and that she disagreed that every Muslim is a bad person. However, what it really came down to after a lot of discussion was that none of her friends/family think the same way that I do and that she doesn't want to be thought of as a "terrible person" and lose her friends.
I asked her if she had read the Koran, and responded she didn't have the time. I asked if she remembered what the main principles of Christianity were. I think she had forgotten them too. I was expecting to hear something like "The Ten Commandments" or "The Sermon on the Mount". The point being is that the core message from the Koran is completely different. The meek do not inherit the earth in the Koran. Instead one must wage Jihad. If that is what the average Muslim thinks is a good thing, importing people like that will be the destruction of Western civilization and our way of life. If you are going to make a statement that not every Muslim is a bad person, you should make some attempt to understand what Muslims believe.
I mentioned Malmo in Sweden, and that Sweden used to be the model state that leftists would mention for the rest of the world to aspire to, gun control, welfare, you name it the Swedes had it and this made them a leftist utopia. And now they are the rape capital of Europe with Muslim areas as no-go zones for the police. Why don't they kick them out? Well, it's because most Swedes are politically correct and don't want to be seen as "terrible people".
Why don't the politicians do the right thing then? Because it takes a lot of guts, and they don't want to be seen as literally Hitler by the media.
I made the point that the 1968 generation had no experience with non-whites, and saw the world through a lens where it was whites who were always the instigators of negative actions towards non-whites. So they have created this world that they had not anticipated, and they are too old to adapt very well for the most part. It is up to ours and future generations to adapt to this world that our parents' generation have created for us.Replies: @Jim Christian, @Chrisnonymous, @dfordoom, @BB753
I would say that America is a European Christian nation-state.
The ruling class of the American Empire insists that the USA is a multicultural proposition region.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @(((Joshua)))
I would say that America is a European Christian nation-state.
Less than half the kids being born in the U.S. are white. Most won’t ever go to church.
That Protestant, Anglo-Saxon culture won’t last with the new population, much like trying to grow tropical fruit in Canada. Culture grows from the people, not the other way around.
Are you saying Catholic church attendance is low among Hispanic kids in The U.S?Replies: @Not Raul, @Dumbo, @Lot, @Andrew, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Church attendance is down but it a weekly ritual for millions. Also I think we'll end up like France where folks may not go to church but are infused with Catholic sentiment.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @S. Anonyia
“GANGS of North African youths have terrified Chinese migrants amid complaints they have become ‘too rich’.”
The unemployment and welfare rate for North Africans in France is so high that they might as well be called Gypsies.
Islam calls the collective of Muslim nations Dar al Salam, meaning House of Peace. The peace of Allah, Mullahs, Imams, a false prophet and the robotic, self-brainwashing, 5x daily head bumping.Sure there are peaceful Muslims, who will only pick out the peaceful Koran verses to recite to the gullible Westerners. The peaceful Muslims in Western nations are the oceans that the radical fundamentalists swim in undetected. The radical fundamentalists could not survive in civilized nations without the mass of peaceful Muslim immigrants being there to disappear into. The radical fundamentalist Muslims can recite valid Koran verses that sanction their wars on non-Muslims and other Muslims as in the eternal Sunni vs Shiite wars.Replies: @Yak-15
Less than half the kids being born in the U.S. are white. Most won't ever go to church.
That Protestant, Anglo-Saxon culture won't last with the new population, much like trying to grow tropical fruit in Canada. Culture grows from the people, not the other way around.Replies: @Jefferson, @Ed, @Alec Leamas
“Less than half the kids being born in the U.S. are white. Most won’t ever go to church.”
Are you saying Catholic church attendance is low among Hispanic kids in The U.S?
It's less than 50%.
I’m genuinely curious about folks like Annie’s position. Why do they think France is facing a terrorist threat now? Is there a limit to the number of Muslim immigrants that they’d admit?
I wonder how much of this is actual belief & how much of this is being offended by people openly admitting that they don’t want many Muslim immigration.
Annie/Ezra have a child presumably they want a country that works for her.
What they don't realize is that the orthodoxy will change.Replies: @lavoisier
The prog-left mindset believes that Western (governments) society is the cause of acts of terrorism--that if the society were more welcoming, more open minded about accepting Muslims, then said acts would diminish. WE are the cause of said terrorism, i.e. that terrorism is an understandable reaction to racial/religious discrimination/persecution.
But the yellows, being yellow, don’t possess white guilt. If they ever get fed up with NAM crine, things could get interesting.
Less than half the kids being born in the U.S. are white. Most won't ever go to church.
That Protestant, Anglo-Saxon culture won't last with the new population, much like trying to grow tropical fruit in Canada. Culture grows from the people, not the other way around.Replies: @Jefferson, @Ed, @Alec Leamas
Just read an article about a town of 1,000 in Western MD. It’s 97% white & Trump won the town easily. On Sunday most of the town is at the only church in town, a Lutheran church.
Church attendance is down but it a weekly ritual for millions. Also I think we’ll end up like France where folks may not go to church but are infused with Catholic sentiment.
If there isn't "much" grounding the local variety of Christianity, you end up with crazy people on your hands once the population starts becoming irreligious.
This probably explains why even though weekly church attendance rates probably aren't that different in Catholic vs. Protestant Europe, Protestant Europe seems to be far more full of leftist nutcases. Also look at whites on the West Coast vs. East Coast.
So is the “senior Trump official” Miller or Bannon?
Steve
Columbia University Mathematics Professor Peter Woit is calling for the overthrow of POTUS Trump…go read his current hysterical post on his blog …Not Even Wrong…
I have noticed Left wing nuts engaging in this sort of political masturbation about removal of Trump lately and it seems to say a lot about the inner life of whoever is doing the fantasizing.
Seriously though, I read his book. String theory is bunkum. Trump is not.
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=9076
I might be tempted to call this "not even wrong".
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
We should all endorse this ad’s inspiring call for more German immigration into the United States.
Houellebecq has just been raised in status, which is tough, because he is a louse.
I wonder how much of this is actual belief & how much of this is being offended by people openly admitting that they don't want many Muslim immigration.
Annie/Ezra have a child presumably they want a country that works for her.Replies: @Paul Yarbles, @Forbes
They think (1) the child will be better off if the parents still have jobs as public intellectuals and (2) being unorthodox will cost them their jobs. This is how the country works for their child.
What they don’t realize is that the orthodoxy will change.
That is what this is all about. That is what this is always about.Replies: @syonredux
Frankly, I think the Chinese are playing the long game and expect to take control of the Pacific Northwest.
Seizing from the whites would be difficult. Taking it from the blacks and browns, not so much.
I see the Asians in British Columbia and Washington the same way I do Latin Americans in California and the Southwest: settlers.
Better to exclude than be excluded.
Canada was perfectly fine when filled with loyalists/Tories.
It’s become increasingly less so as it fills up with dindus and Asians. A bunch of libtard celebrities won’t make much difference either to Canada or the US.
But, if the US could persuade its vibrant population to move there…
I like Trump more and more as time passes…
Less than half the kids being born in the U.S. are white. Most won't ever go to church.
That Protestant, Anglo-Saxon culture won't last with the new population, much like trying to grow tropical fruit in Canada. Culture grows from the people, not the other way around.Replies: @Jefferson, @Ed, @Alec Leamas
I’m not saying this isn’t a problem for continuing The United States in some semblance of the way we knew it, but I’m guessing that a large proportion of the “Hispanic” population is criollo – primarily Spanish or Portuguese descended with only a negligible admixture of Amerindian blood. The white proportion has no doubt been declining due to border jumping of the peasant classes of Mexico and Central America, but I don’t think things are as bad (which is to say, utterly irreversible) as our adversaries would have us believe.
Leave the borders open to the Muslims and Africans, and it's game over.Replies: @Fredrik
Tell me where you live and I'll come up with something ....
It also seems that Mr. Hamid tacitly admitted that large Muslim populations lead to a permanent terror threat (really, a low intensity insurgent war), but that suffering such a state of affairs is not a fate worse than racism.Replies: @Jefferson
“It also seems that Mr. Hamid tacitly admitted that large Muslim populations lead to a permanent terror threat (really, a low intensity insurgent war), but that suffering such a state of affairs is not a fate worse than racism.”
You can tie the Orlando nightclub terrorist attack to anti-Hispanic racism on the part of Omar Mateen. Why didn’t he choose a White Homo nightclub instead to attack?
“I’m guessing that a large proportion of the “Hispanic” population is criollo – primarily Spanish or Portuguese descended with only a negligible admixture of Amerindian blood.”
If a large proportion of the Hispanic population in The U.S is White why are Hispanic public schools in this country so shitty? So when Mexico sends us their Whites they are not sending us their best Whites.
I'm saying that I think it's a bit of intentionally demoralizing propaganda to pretend that everyone with the last name "Gonzales" or "Fernandez" is non-white. e.g. I know a woman whose parents emigrated from Spain to Cuba and resided there for one year during which time she was born, and after which they emigrated from Cuba to the United States baby in tow. Her kids by an Anglo Episcopalian are officially "Hispanic."Replies: @syonredux, @Jefferson
Look, the Wall works.
Wall is good.
Hopefully, this trend will also be followed by other countries also becoming sovereign.
Germany, France, etc. They were just following the diktat of Globalism and trying to imitate the U.S.
But if the U.S. goes towards nationalism, there's hope they will go nationalist too. At least, it's to be hoped. Then it's endgame for globonazis.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @guest
The elite in Israel, Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, etc. have no problem with this concept. It’s just whites. We’re a silly bunch.
Quite sound. Remember the wise words of Enoch Powell:”The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils”
The threat posed by Muslims is an easily preventable evil. It simply requires the wisdom to see that some populations cannot be successfully absorbed.
Only a fool or a madman would disagree.
Clamp the border down now, and, yes, I’d say that there’s a chance. Hispanics aren’t going to cure cancer but they generally get along with whites.
Leave the borders open to the Muslims and Africans, and it’s game over.
Many Americans conveniently forget that when they talk about Europe and its Muslims.Replies: @AnotherDad
The threat posed by Muslims is an easily preventable evil. It simply requires the wisdom to see that some populations cannot be successfully absorbed.Only a fool or a madman would disagree.Replies: @syonredux
An Extract from the Wisdom of Enoch Powell:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html
More wise words:
Rudyard Kipling
The Stranger
The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk–
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.
The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control–
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.
The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.
This was my father’s belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf–
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.
Should grieve thee more than streams of foreign gore.....See, then, thou fight'st against thy countrymen
And joint'st with them will be thy slaughtermen.
The notion that this recent refugee opposition is “unprecedented” is false:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BClVT3mPhdI
"We demand to be let into the country that's run by an insane, genocidal, racist tyrant who will surely end up killing us! Derp!"
I would say that America is a European Christian nation-state.
The ruling class of the American Empire insists that the USA is a multicultural proposition region.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @(((Joshua)))
Vox Day has done a great job of ripping apart the idea of a proposition nation. It’s quite simple: if we are truly a proposition nation, those who do not agree with the proposition must be stripped of citizenship.
Praytell, what happens when the nation starts believing different propositions? Which we undeniably have, even within my lifetime. Is the nation gone with the wind, like the Old South? Believers in Propositional Nationhood don't want that (unless they completely lose control, in which case they want to be able to dissolve the nation and elect a new one).
Ah, there's a way out of this conundrum, and one that aids in the sacred mission of Inviting the Worl. You make the propositions as simple as possible, e.g. "all men are created equal," liberty and justice for all. Then, whatever you do, you can plausibly argue you're sticking to our fundamental principles.
If you don't know anything else about the Founding Fathers, you probably know the Declaration says "all men are created equal." That's about all Abe Lincoln needed to alter our form of government single-handedly. Who doesn't believe in liberty and justice, defined as thoroughly as I've just defined them? Which is to say not at all.
Best part, if all it takes to be an American is belief in undefined ideas like liberty and equality, who the heck can't be American? All it takes is going through the formality of coming over and being recognized as such.
In his mind he tore it apart. In reality, that's another thing.
The nation was founded for the people, whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed. Congress was given the green light by the Founding Fathers as to determine who were those people. At the time, it was Europeans. Later on, it incorporated non-Europeans. The people through Congress had the liberty to include other peoples. Now, the Alt Right would counter a coalition of early 20th century immigrants, led by the Jews, intentionally destroyed the demographics of the United States because they thought it would be beneficial for their various minority groups. Do you subscribe to this line of thought?
Would you agree that the single biggest single mistake made by the Founding Fathers was for immigrants and their descendants, ranging from the Irish to Germans to Assyrians to Vietnamese, should never have been permitted to vote? That they had little to do with creating the society they sought to join?
The argument made by Vox Day is that the melting pot is “anti-American and anti-Christian.” From his point of view, the Constitution was meant secure the rights of Englishmen and ONLY applies to this particular group of people, since the non-English–meaning white Europeans–lack the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend its ideals. So those American citizens born in Portugal or in Romania are other than American. That would mean YOU if you are unable to track your ancestors down as being English.
In this impending race war by 2033, is there any place for this large amount of white Americans who are the descendants of non-Anglo Europeans in the Alt-Right America? Vox Day says, “I have no idea. It’s not for me to decide where the lines will be drawn. I can only say that there is a very high probability that lines will be drawn. Precisely where, my guess is no better than anyone else’s.”
Interesting how few of his supposed high IQ Vile Faceless Minions dare question his rationale. So, my fellow white Europeans who are not of English descent, are you on board with his position? Is he not equating that YOU are refuse, that YOU are the tired and huddled masses, that YOU should have never received voting rights, with his insistence that a select few have the right to call themselves “Americans”?
multigen jihad must be avoidedannie lowery can drag her mattress back to MENA.Replies: @Alec Leamas, @JerryC
My thought exactly. I haven’t seen a statement this realistic, lucid and forward-thinking on immigration attributed to senior US official in a long time.
Wow!
It may be dawning on the old conservative interventionists that one of the worst consequences of violating the sovereignty of third world countries was corrupting-perhaps forever- the moral justification for our own. It would be small comfort- don’t expect neo-con or lib interventionists to ever feel that agenbite of inwit- they get off on this stuff.
Church attendance is down but it a weekly ritual for millions. Also I think we'll end up like France where folks may not go to church but are infused with Catholic sentiment.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @S. Anonyia
The desire for faith – for something bigger than ourselves – is a point that the book Submission makes – as does Peter Hitchens. I never thought about it much, but now I’m beginning to wonder if whites will move toward a faith or religion that demands something, that fights for its beliefs.
Obviously, the Left is a religion, but it’s a religion of uber inclusiveness. And as always, any group that doesn’t have admission criteria isn’t really a group. The Left doesn’t stand for anything. Diversity? What’s that. The Left exists to counter old-school whites. As they decline so will the Left.
As other groups rise and show that they don’t care a whit about diversity, whites will realize that they need something, that being an “American” doesn’t mean much in a multi-racial, multi-religious, multi-everything country. They’ll also realize that the Left’s pie-in-the-sky BS about inclusiveness is a joke and won’t protect you as you walk down the street. There will be groups and you had better choose a group or form your own. At that point, many will find “religion” whether that be Islam or white identity or marrying into Conquistador America or whatever.
But joining a group means pledging to something bigger than yourself. Religion.
As you say being part of something is a powerful force. The Left is about screaming & preening there's no meat there.Replies: @Desiderius
The look on face was interesting. A little pissy at me for bringing it up, but she didn't deny it, which means that she knew that to some degree that I was right.
Btw, my wife may be a little bit of a Nice White Lady but she knows the score with blacks. Just doesn't like to talk about it. However, if blacks don't stop bring it up, she won't like it much.Replies: @Anonym
I actually used Steve’s idea on my old-school liberal, i.e. blue-collar family history, wife with the women’s march. Told her about the clash between the Nice White Ladies and the sisters. Then I said that she’d need to “check her privilege” from now on if she’s going to stay a Dem.
I had a discussion with my wife on the subject. What prompted it was my showing of the following to her, very on topic:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nR7VhRq2yns
She would rather not be confronted by the politics, and that she disagreed that every Muslim is a bad person. However, what it really came down to after a lot of discussion was that none of her friends/family think the same way that I do and that she doesn’t want to be thought of as a “terrible person” and lose her friends.
I asked her if she had read the Koran, and responded she didn’t have the time. I asked if she remembered what the main principles of Christianity were. I think she had forgotten them too. I was expecting to hear something like “The Ten Commandments” or “The Sermon on the Mount”. The point being is that the core message from the Koran is completely different. The meek do not inherit the earth in the Koran. Instead one must wage Jihad. If that is what the average Muslim thinks is a good thing, importing people like that will be the destruction of Western civilization and our way of life. If you are going to make a statement that not every Muslim is a bad person, you should make some attempt to understand what Muslims believe.
I mentioned Malmo in Sweden, and that Sweden used to be the model state that leftists would mention for the rest of the world to aspire to, gun control, welfare, you name it the Swedes had it and this made them a leftist utopia. And now they are the rape capital of Europe with Muslim areas as no-go zones for the police. Why don’t they kick them out? Well, it’s because most Swedes are politically correct and don’t want to be seen as “terrible people”.
Why don’t the politicians do the right thing then? Because it takes a lot of guts, and they don’t want to be seen as literally Hitler by the media.
I made the point that the 1968 generation had no experience with non-whites, and saw the world through a lens where it was whites who were always the instigators of negative actions towards non-whites. So they have created this world that they had not anticipated, and they are too old to adapt very well for the most part. It is up to ours and future generations to adapt to this world that our parents’ generation have created for us.
Women are 90% "educated" and still don't know shit about the world and how it works. How would they then understand politics? Their politics are all feelings-based, every bit. What was rational about Ashley Judd last week and yet, there were the White women in their Islamic headgear cheering Ashley Judd's psychotic rant against men like Judd was the Beatles of old. THESE are the scary ones. This is because Liberal Feminists, even the marrying kind, as still psycho. Look at them. They're out there all over the streets. They're mad-cap, batshit crazy, dressing like pussies on the one hand, Muslims on the other. How does anyone reconcile any of this? Ye Gawds..
If these women knew their husbands cancelled their feminist vote for Hillary with a man-vote for Trump, they'd geld the poor bastard, even assuming they haven't been in the virtual sense just being married to them. And there some of you are, ministering to your wives about the political dangers of the world. Again, fascinating..Replies: @Anonym, @BB753
Not quite. Politicians are in bed with Muslims (sometimes literally) and both hate and fear their countrymen, in particular the little people, at any rate.
They figure by the time Muslims take over, if ever, they'll be long dead by then, so they don't care. "Apres moi, le deluge". Politicians just want to hold on to their sinecures and their power, however limited.Replies: @Anonym
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
That ad probably was in the works back when they thought Hillary was going to win. This was to be a triumphal expression of their victory over us….by rubbing it in our faces.
It’s a shame that greedy Americans sold Budweiser to these foreigners.
OK, I'm boycotting all of these beers now, even though I never saw the commercial because I've been boycotting TV. I would switch to Guiness, but then there's U2 (is that spelled right, Mr. Derbyshire?).Replies: @Olorin
Sadly, you are incorrect. Hispanics in the USA have substantial degrees of non-European ancestry:
That’s 24.2 % non European. And these data come from customers from 23andMe, so we can assume a certain level of self-sorting on the basis of income…
In contrast, Anglo-Whites are really, really White:
https://occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/2015/01/16/genetics-white-americans-are-very-white/
And one must also contend with the question of culture.As a simple visit to New Mexico or Southern Florida will attest, Hispanic culture is simply not compatible with Anglo culture…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
I guess Budweiser hasn’t learned that taunting your core market isn’t good for business. Has the NFL figured that out from Colin Kaepernick yet?
The ostensible message seems to be that football needs to keep progressing towards the current year, but is there some kind of triple bankshot going on here? If I wanted to improve the reputation of the NFL among deplorables there are worse ways to do it than complaining about how conservative the sport is. I could actually see both messages coexisting effectively given that one target group reflexively believes the MSM while the other tends to believe the opposite.Replies: @guest
Now, I cannot watch it anymore. The grandstanding and moral posturing of some of the most privileged people in our society is disgusting. Their white-hating and America-bashing has really pissed me off too. I don't think I will even watch the Super Bowl.
Here are my favorite american wise words
“deserve’s got nothing to do with it!”
“go aheaed…make my day” are trumps favorite words.
When Enoch Powell actually had some power, as minister of health, he brought the first waves of Caribbeans into the UK to do unpleasant jobs in hospitals. Which is the problem, long term thinking thwarted by the need for short-term results.
Scott Adams has basically said that anyone using “wow” to start their argument is retarded.
Columbia University Mathematics Professor Peter Woit is calling for the overthrow of POTUS Trump...go read his current hysterical post on his blog ...Not Even Wrong...Replies: @Anon, @MarkinLA, @Alec Leamas, @guest, @Pericles
He got such blowback that he shut down comments. I hope Steve will do us the favor of posting his screed here so we might have the privilege to comment on it. It’s well written and indicative of the meltdown going on in academia right now. These nuts are openly flirting with treason.
Columbia University Mathematics Professor Peter Woit is calling for the overthrow of POTUS Trump...go read his current hysterical post on his blog ...Not Even Wrong...Replies: @Anon, @MarkinLA, @Alec Leamas, @guest, @Pericles
He is moderating comments so only those which agree with this ass-hat will get printed.
That's right...Lubos is pounding Woit in his blog. Sabine Hossenfelder offers advice on how to remove POTUS Trump from office-meanwhile the future mothers of Germany are being gang raped by Muzzie Male yoots...I recommend Pol Pot type labor camps for Woit, Scott Aaronson,Hossenfelder....and the rest of these spolied brats.
Terrence Tao at least has the decency to let comments through...you might want to check out Tao's comments on Trump's visa ban.Replies: @res
We’re spending a bunch of political capital just to stop an influx of people with negative civilizational contribution. In a saner world, we would deport bunches back to enjoy life from whence they came.
I said that back about 2005: if I don’t believe in neocons’ propositions, do I get deported?
Rudyard Kipling
The Stranger
The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk--
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.
The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control--
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.
The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.
This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.Replies: @David
One drop of blood drawn from thy country’s bosom
Should grieve thee more than streams of foreign gore.
….
See, then, thou fight’st against thy countrymen
And joint’st with them will be thy slaughtermen.
Church attendance is down but it a weekly ritual for millions. Also I think we'll end up like France where folks may not go to church but are infused with Catholic sentiment.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @S. Anonyia
What town? I grew up nearby and am curious.
http://www.kgw.com/news/amid-city-protests-trumps-immigration-ban-has-support-in-this-small-town/395011074
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/small-town-backing-trump-draws-contrast-big-city-protests-n714631
https://twitter.com/HistOpinion/status/666412991500255232Replies: @syonredux, @Amasius
MMM, yes, I keep on forgetting that the date on my computer is in error.It is (and always will be) 1939……
The unemployment and welfare rate for North Africans in France is so high that they might as well be called Gypsies.Replies: @Clyde
I don’t like gypsies except that they can make some great high spirited music. But there cannot be more than ten million gypsies on this planet. Muslims are worse because there are 1.5 billion of these absurd 5x daily head bumpers. Islam calls non-Muslim nations Dar al Harb, meaning The House Of War, meaning these nations and territories are up for grabs and that Islam has Allah’s sanction to make war on them overtly or covertly via immigration and demographics.
Islam calls the collective of Muslim nations Dar al Salam, meaning House of Peace. The peace of Allah, Mullahs, Imams, a false prophet and the robotic, self-brainwashing, 5x daily head bumping.
Sure there are peaceful Muslims, who will only pick out the peaceful Koran verses to recite to the gullible Westerners. The peaceful Muslims in Western nations are the oceans that the radical fundamentalists swim in undetected. The radical fundamentalists could not survive in civilized nations without the mass of peaceful Muslim immigrants being there to disappear into. The radical fundamentalist Muslims can recite valid Koran verses that sanction their wars on non-Muslims and other Muslims as in the eternal Sunni vs Shiite wars.
Dunno:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell#Minister_of_Health
I imagine identifiably Hispanic schools are full of Amerinds and Zambos, whereas white Hispanics find their way to schools with other non-Hispanic whites.
I’m saying that I think it’s a bit of intentionally demoralizing propaganda to pretend that everyone with the last name “Gonzales” or “Fernandez” is non-white. e.g. I know a woman whose parents emigrated from Spain to Cuba and resided there for one year during which time she was born, and after which they emigrated from Cuba to the United States baby in tow. Her kids by an Anglo Episcopalian are officially “Hispanic.”
There are 57 Muslim nations they can choose from, that they can move to. http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-muslim-majority/
I'm saying that I think it's a bit of intentionally demoralizing propaganda to pretend that everyone with the last name "Gonzales" or "Fernandez" is non-white. e.g. I know a woman whose parents emigrated from Spain to Cuba and resided there for one year during which time she was born, and after which they emigrated from Cuba to the United States baby in tow. Her kids by an Anglo Episcopalian are officially "Hispanic."Replies: @syonredux, @Jefferson
I quite agree on that point. Any category that includes Alberto Fujimori, Raquel Welch,Cameron Diaz, Sammy Sosa, and Jennifer Lopez is of doubtful utility…..
MarkLA
That’s right…Lubos is pounding Woit in his blog. Sabine Hossenfelder offers advice on how to remove POTUS Trump from office-meanwhile the future mothers of Germany are being gang raped by Muzzie Male yoots…I recommend Pol Pot type labor camps for Woit, Scott Aaronson,Hossenfelder….and the rest of these spolied brats.
Terrence Tao at least has the decency to let comments through…you might want to check out Tao’s comments on Trump’s visa ban.
http://motls.blogspot.com/2017/01/unreasonable-university-calls-for-civil.htmlReplies: @War for Blair Mountain
Well Mr. Sailer, I did discover your blog as a sidebar link at vox’s website, so I would not be surprised if you were his inspiration.
Are you saying Catholic church attendance is low among Hispanic kids in The U.S?Replies: @Not Raul, @Dumbo, @Lot, @Andrew, @Citizen of a Silly Country
In some communities it is. Many Chicanos are Pentacostalists.
My relatives in Cuba who actually go to church are Baptists.
To avoid confusion: my relatives are not Chicanos.
What is most surreal.
Muslims are seeking refuge in the US, the nation most responsible for the wars, strife, and disasters in the Middle East.
Imagine Poles seeking refuge in Germany, the very nation that is destroying Poland.
Are you saying Catholic church attendance is low among Hispanic kids in The U.S?Replies: @Not Raul, @Dumbo, @Lot, @Andrew, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Hispanics/Latrinos are increasingly drawn to Evangelic churches, most (especially the poor) are no longer Catholics.
Church attendance is down but it a weekly ritual for millions. Also I think we'll end up like France where folks may not go to church but are infused with Catholic sentiment.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @Anonymous, @S. Anonyia
It isn’t necessarily going to be the same case in regions of the U.S where the local brand of Christianity is of the born-again variety. With evangelicals religion is more of a lifestyle or personal philosophy than a set of traditions or shared cultural practices. Also somewhat true of really bland, mainline denominations like Methodists.
If there isn’t “much” grounding the local variety of Christianity, you end up with crazy people on your hands once the population starts becoming irreligious.
This probably explains why even though weekly church attendance rates probably aren’t that different in Catholic vs. Protestant Europe, Protestant Europe seems to be far more full of leftist nutcases. Also look at whites on the West Coast vs. East Coast.
The media should stfu about Hispanic being a race. It isn’t. The people who lived in Madrid 500 years ago were overwhelmingly Caucasian.
What percentage of Hispanics in The U.S immigrated here via airplane ride from Madrid? I never see a flag from Spain being waved here in California, even during The World Cup.Replies: @Not Raul
The Iraqi detained under Trump’s executive order at JFK Airport admits he likes Trump. This needs to be cued up with the Curb Your Enthusiasm music to reflect Rep. Nydia Velazquez’ reaction.
I'm saying that I think it's a bit of intentionally demoralizing propaganda to pretend that everyone with the last name "Gonzales" or "Fernandez" is non-white. e.g. I know a woman whose parents emigrated from Spain to Cuba and resided there for one year during which time she was born, and after which they emigrated from Cuba to the United States baby in tow. Her kids by an Anglo Episcopalian are officially "Hispanic."Replies: @syonredux, @Jefferson
“I’m saying that I think it’s a bit of intentionally demoralizing propaganda to pretend that everyone with the last name “Gonzales” or “Fernandez” is non-white.”
I am not saying everyone with those last names are Nonwhite. I am saying when Cuba, Puerto Rico, The Dominican Republic, Mexico, Central America, etc sends us their Whites they are not sending us their best Whites. Their White Hispanic presence is not improving the test scores of public schools in Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Miami, Orlando, New York City, Dallas, El Paso, San Antonio, etc. They are sending us way too much White trash and not enough Steve Sailers.
Crazy world
What year is it: 1903 or 1939?
1903: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus
Absolutely hilarious that Woit is calling Trump a fascist while barring comments from those who don’t share his view.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
I’m deeply moved by Anheuser’s show of solidarity with Muslim ‘refugees’.
To do our part, I think we should all go ‘muslim’ on their beverages. It’s the least we could do: Abstain from Busch and Budweiser in support of Muslim values, that is unless Anheuser labels all their products with the Islamic Crescent.
http://sunnahonline.com/library/fiqh-and-sunnah/747-the-prohibition-of-alcohol-in-islam
Shady Humid uses the logic fault of “some and all” to create the illusion that ALL Muslims are being victimized by interception and restriction of likely terrorists. Very juvenile.
Every time that some Zer Expert or Hiastorian tells you that “USA HAS an obligation to…fill the blank “, rest assured that in no time another level of degradation will be inflicted on the citizenry of this country.
Watch how Hiasbara suit chutzpahlains to FOX norms how his organization does miracles with a measly $2075 per a ‘fugee that they get from a guberment :
( @5: 38 )
And that’s precisely why this humanitarian mofo prefers fugee families with 4 kids and more:
https://www.charitywatch.org/salaries/hias/754
Also, @3:35 , Mark Hetfield ( CEO of HIAS, who took salary of $336,323 in 2014 ) whines to Tucker how had to work on a dreaded Saturday this week just because Trump is partying like it’s 1938…
Chew khat in support of Somali Muslims.
Show your support for Busch and Kebab.
Woit, like a good number of aging prominent mathematicians (and chess players), has succumbed to mental illness and paranoia.
No Anheuser-Busch Beer until Muslims are allowed here.
Show your support for Busch and Kebab.
“The media should stfu about Hispanic being a race. It isn’t. The people who lived in Madrid 500 years ago were overwhelmingly Caucasian.”
What percentage of Hispanics in The U.S immigrated here via airplane ride from Madrid? I never see a flag from Spain being waved here in California, even during The World Cup.
Nobody is more Hispanic than a Spaniard. Perhaps blue-eyed Cubans are a close second.Replies: @guest
“In this country, and in Canada, the yellows are standing with the blacks and browns against the larger white culture. Good luck with that. I’m sure the blacks and browns will admire your qualities, talents, and culture like whites have”
Asian men, in particular, had better think this through more carefully. Everybody digs (East) Asian chicks and black men will simply slap Asian men out of the way to get a piece of that action.
Given all the mess caused in the Middle East and North Africa by American foreign policy(dictated by Zionists & Wars for Israel, Energy companies & control of markets, and Military-Industrial-Complex & addiction to superpower arrogance), you'd think the main message from Muslims would be LEAVE US ALONE and INFIDEL YANKEE GO HOME!!!
Instead, the main message is LET US IN FOR A SLICE OF THE AMERICAN PIE!!
Instead of Moral Outrage over America's neo-imperialist horror-show in the Middle East and North Africa, all the bitter rhetoric is about America not being 'welcoming' enough to more Muslims. Given the decadent state of American Culture, why would any self-respecting Muslim even want to come to the US?
And if Muslims are self-respecting, why aren't they sufficiently angry about American meddling and invasions of the Middle East?
In the end, Muslims can't stand one another and figure even infidel America treats them better than they do one another. And they figure the infidel West offers more comfort and convenience than the Muslim world does.
So, their main moral fixation is about America-letting-them-in than a sincere effort to defend their realm from the infidel.
Besides, if the Muslim World wasn't so divided, the US wouldn't be able to play divide-and-conquer and form alliances to mess up the whole region.
In the end, Muslims want more cookies in America than falafel in the Middle East. And they'll give up identity, history, faith, and principles for more cookies.
A truly self-respecting Muslim would first say DON'T INVADE US before PLEASE INVITE US. But it seems they sense that the Right of Invasion/Intervention by the US is their ticket to Invitation to the West.Replies: @bomag, @Jefferson
The place was “messed up” before we came; it will be “messed up” when we are gone.
Muslims are fine with their countries; what you see as “messed up”, they see as strong and able to send people out to conquer the world. Not too many of them come here to live as Americans; they come here to live as Muslims and bless us with their religion.
If flying a plane into a skyscraper and shooting up a nightclub is their way of blessing us, what do they consider as punishing us? Playing their awful Arabic music on full blast?
https://youtu.be/XzFjHOwfmAI
That's a False News Story. Get your facts straight.
http://www.newsweek.com/do-muslims-easily-assimilate-american-society-509673Replies: @celt darnell
Columbia University Mathematics Professor Peter Woit is calling for the overthrow of POTUS Trump...go read his current hysterical post on his blog ...Not Even Wrong...Replies: @Anon, @MarkinLA, @Alec Leamas, @guest, @Pericles
Apparently he hasn’t mastered his sums, since in no way can he count enough Senators for impeachment to be a realistic option. The President’s executive order is, apparently, the greatest crisis in the history of a nation that has endured secession, a Civil War, reconstruction, WW1-WW2 and a Cold War punctuated by a nuclear crisis 90 miles from its coast.
I have noticed Left wing nuts engaging in this sort of political masturbation about removal of Trump lately and it seems to say a lot about the inner life of whoever is doing the fantasizing.
What percentage of Hispanics in The U.S immigrated here via airplane ride from Madrid? I never see a flag from Spain being waved here in California, even during The World Cup.Replies: @Not Raul
A relatively small percentage; but Spaniards are the original Hispanics. And they haven’t forgotten.
Nobody is more Hispanic than a Spaniard. Perhaps blue-eyed Cubans are a close second.
Should the US annex Mexico? If the people of Mexico have clearly chosen to want to migrate into the US and live under US governance against all laws and borders, maybe US should simply assume governance of the nation of Mexico and treat Mexico as another set of states?
Given all the mess caused in the Middle East and North Africa by American foreign policy(dictated by Zionists & Wars for Israel, Energy companies & control of markets, and Military-Industrial-Complex & addiction to superpower arrogance), you'd think the main message from Muslims would be LEAVE US ALONE and INFIDEL YANKEE GO HOME!!!
Instead, the main message is LET US IN FOR A SLICE OF THE AMERICAN PIE!!
Instead of Moral Outrage over America's neo-imperialist horror-show in the Middle East and North Africa, all the bitter rhetoric is about America not being 'welcoming' enough to more Muslims. Given the decadent state of American Culture, why would any self-respecting Muslim even want to come to the US?
And if Muslims are self-respecting, why aren't they sufficiently angry about American meddling and invasions of the Middle East?
In the end, Muslims can't stand one another and figure even infidel America treats them better than they do one another. And they figure the infidel West offers more comfort and convenience than the Muslim world does.
So, their main moral fixation is about America-letting-them-in than a sincere effort to defend their realm from the infidel.
Besides, if the Muslim World wasn't so divided, the US wouldn't be able to play divide-and-conquer and form alliances to mess up the whole region.
In the end, Muslims want more cookies in America than falafel in the Middle East. And they'll give up identity, history, faith, and principles for more cookies.
A truly self-respecting Muslim would first say DON'T INVADE US before PLEASE INVITE US. But it seems they sense that the Right of Invasion/Intervention by the US is their ticket to Invitation to the West.Replies: @bomag, @Jefferson
“Given all the mess caused in the Middle East and North Africa by American foreign policy(dictated by Zionists & Wars for Israel,”
Was The Middle East and North Africa just a Browner version of 1st World Switzerland before George W. Bush and the Neocons took over?
How many Westerners wanted to immigrate to Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Palestine, etc for a better life before the election of Bush Jr.?
Pakistan, full of South Asians, is a mountaineering heaven, though mountain tribes don't like the mountaineers.
Afghanistan, full of Central Asians . . . well, you've seen the pictures of 1970s Kabul with all the hotties walking around in short skirts.
Palestine . . . I'll give you that one. Not even their fellow Arabs like Palestinians, apparently.
That’s a silly statement. They’d never include you or me in a million years.
In the end, however, the Left stands for opposing - and stealing from - normal white guys (and, to some extent, normal white women). That's it. The Left offers nothing else. It's really an empty ideology.
Everything else that it stands for - abortion, welfare state, enforced equality - are contradictory to its diversity uber alles. Muslims won't stand for abortion. Unfettered immigration destroys the welfare state. The various groups making up the Left will not stand for sharing the pie equally.
The Left will die as whites fade. It's already happening. Blacks and other groups already are demanding the higher jobs in the party. White men and women are being pushed aside, at least in public roles. In DC, minorities are bitching that Dem staffs on the Hill aren't diverse. They will demand quotas.
The Dem Party is on its way to being the Anti-White (all whites) Party. Only the most zealot whites will not notice this. I'd suspect that younger whites will notice better than older liberals.
The Dem whites thought that they could run the party like a plantation. A few whites controlling a large number of browns with a few nice house ni$$ers allowed in the mansion. But those whites never employed big, strong men with guns to keep the order and now the uprisings are starting.
The only question is whether the Jews can use their money, organization and influence to hold the party together by buying off or threatening the brown leaders. It'll be tough, but Jews are remarkably capable so it's anyone's game. But each year it will get harder to hold those groups together while keeping whites running the show. Frankly, blacks are just too stupid to realize that they can't run things and are better off letting whites do it, which means that they'll keep pushing for more.
Interesting times.
I’m guessing that you’re talking about mid IQ chinese allying with mid IQ indopakis and educated blacks that they work in media with. I don’t really think the chinese are interested in hanging out with the really ghetto specimens found in the Jane & Finch area of Toronto.
And William F. Buckley, Jr., the original @DemsRRealRacist.
Hopefully, this trend will also be followed by other countries also becoming sovereign.
Germany, France, etc. They were just following the diktat of Globalism and trying to imitate the U.S.
But if the U.S. goes towards nationalism, there's hope they will go nationalist too. At least, it's to be hoped. Then it's endgame for globonazis.Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country, @guest
They could accept if we were banning Nazis, for instance. Their objections are more particular, and not as principled as they’d have us believe. But that goes without saying.
Columbia University Mathematics Professor Peter Woit is calling for the overthrow of POTUS Trump...go read his current hysterical post on his blog ...Not Even Wrong...Replies: @Anon, @MarkinLA, @Alec Leamas, @guest, @Pericles
A professor from Columbia calling a Republican president fascist? “Well, knock me over with a feather!”
Seriously though, I read his book. String theory is bunkum. Trump is not.
Muslims are fine with their countries; what you see as "messed up", they see as strong and able to send people out to conquer the world. Not too many of them come here to live as Americans; they come here to live as Muslims and bless us with their religion.Replies: @Jefferson, @Corvinus
“Not too many of them come here to live as Americans; they come here to live as Muslims and bless us with their religion.”
If flying a plane into a skyscraper and shooting up a nightclub is their way of blessing us, what do they consider as punishing us? Playing their awful Arabic music on full blast?
Really? That seems odd, given Buckley’s ancestry:
http://ethnicelebs.com/william-f-buckley-jr
Are you saying Catholic church attendance is low among Hispanic kids in The U.S?Replies: @Not Raul, @Dumbo, @Lot, @Andrew, @Citizen of a Silly Country
A majority are born to single mothers. You think they can be bothered to go to mass?
I’ve been seeing some articles this week tut-tutting the politics of Tom Brady, Belichick, and Kraft while lauding Kaepernick as a role model. The spin seems to be that football is a conservative sport despite Kaepernick, etc.
The ostensible message seems to be that football needs to keep progressing towards the current year, but is there some kind of triple bankshot going on here? If I wanted to improve the reputation of the NFL among deplorables there are worse ways to do it than complaining about how conservative the sport is. I could actually see both messages coexisting effectively given that one target group reflexively believes the MSM while the other tends to believe the opposite.
It is quite simple, but we are superficial people. I could see believing in the “proposition nation,” the social contract, popular sovereignty, etc., if they were commands from God or traditions from time immemorial. But no, they were inventions of the Enlightenment, and we can more or less see them being invented. (Not actually, because they weren’t dreamt up by rigorous rationality in a book, but pulled together from ideas “in the air,” with some precedent; but you know what I mean.) That makes their ad hoc nature obvious.
Praytell, what happens when the nation starts believing different propositions? Which we undeniably have, even within my lifetime. Is the nation gone with the wind, like the Old South? Believers in Propositional Nationhood don’t want that (unless they completely lose control, in which case they want to be able to dissolve the nation and elect a new one).
Ah, there’s a way out of this conundrum, and one that aids in the sacred mission of Inviting the Worl. You make the propositions as simple as possible, e.g. “all men are created equal,” liberty and justice for all. Then, whatever you do, you can plausibly argue you’re sticking to our fundamental principles.
If you don’t know anything else about the Founding Fathers, you probably know the Declaration says “all men are created equal.” That’s about all Abe Lincoln needed to alter our form of government single-handedly. Who doesn’t believe in liberty and justice, defined as thoroughly as I’ve just defined them? Which is to say not at all.
Best part, if all it takes to be an American is belief in undefined ideas like liberty and equality, who the heck can’t be American? All it takes is going through the formality of coming over and being recognized as such.
Leave the borders open to the Muslims and Africans, and it's game over.Replies: @Fredrik
You already have about 13% Africans.
Many Americans conveniently forget that when they talk about Europe and its Muslims.
Which makes Europeans behavior--in being able to view the problems in America, yet plunge ahead with creating their own intractable diversity problem--all the more insane.
Nobody is more Hispanic than a Spaniard. Perhaps blue-eyed Cubans are a close second.Replies: @guest
Yeah, but that’s like complaining about the term “antisemitism” because Jews aren’t the only Semites. You’re right, but who cares?
That's right...Lubos is pounding Woit in his blog. Sabine Hossenfelder offers advice on how to remove POTUS Trump from office-meanwhile the future mothers of Germany are being gang raped by Muzzie Male yoots...I recommend Pol Pot type labor camps for Woit, Scott Aaronson,Hossenfelder....and the rest of these spolied brats.
Terrence Tao at least has the decency to let comments through...you might want to check out Tao's comments on Trump's visa ban.Replies: @res
Thanks for the Lubos pointer. I don’t always agree with him, but enjoyed that. The WWII grandfather irony is thick re calling someone “fascist.” Direct link:
http://motls.blogspot.com/2017/01/unreasonable-university-calls-for-civil.html
Woit achieved the impossible:he made Lubos come across reasonable and sane.....LOL...
This?
http://www.kgw.com/news/amid-city-protests-trumps-immigration-ban-has-support-in-this-small-town/395011074
The ostensible message seems to be that football needs to keep progressing towards the current year, but is there some kind of triple bankshot going on here? If I wanted to improve the reputation of the NFL among deplorables there are worse ways to do it than complaining about how conservative the sport is. I could actually see both messages coexisting effectively given that one target group reflexively believes the MSM while the other tends to believe the opposite.Replies: @guest
The unbearable whiteness of the Patriots rubs the MSM the wrong way, obviously. They’re badwhites as well, which is doubleplus ungood. Worst of all is that they’re winners. (Except when they choke.)
There’s no chance of a streak of sports teams/celebrities refusing to go to the White House and shake Literal Hitler’s hands if the Patriots win, which I consider likely. Would’ve been fun for libs.
There was a pretty good Politico magazine story about Trump’s effect on young white men during the campaign. Many admitted that his unapologetic confidence awaken something in them. Several said it pulled them out of depression.
As you say being part of something is a powerful force. The Left is about screaming & preening there’s no meat there.
The Saxon has begun to mate.
Ok maybe 10% of the town went to church but the town is Funkstown.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/small-town-backing-trump-draws-contrast-big-city-protests-n714631
How did you reach that conclusion from reading the article? Barring white-passing Latinos. Asians are likely the most sympathetic group towards whites, a little too much so IMO.
It’s unlikely for any minority to completely side with the majority except under very unique circumstances. If anything there is a slow shift away from SJWism within the Asian community, as more and more young Asians are perceiving it as excessive, as well as a newfound nationalist pride in our home countries.
Asian-Americans are obviously not going to go alt-right, but our own sense of nationalism will eventually put us in conflict with the ideas of the liberal left. It’s just a matter of time, and preparation.
Yeah Carlos Slim and Jorge Ramos are so extremely sympathetic towards Whites. They want so badly for America to remain a majority White country.
I think the “government official” in question might have been Stephen Miller. I saw him being interviewed on Tucker Carlson’s show last night, and he was saying the same thing. It might have actually come from that interview.
Hearing Miller speak made a remarkable contrast with the kind of person who held that kind of job in the Obama administration or the Bush administration. He was direct, intelligent, logical, and unapologetic in defence of this administration’s policies. It was incredibly heartening and refreshing to see.
I don’t know about the US, but in the EU, could this welcoming of Muslims be a subconscious way for Europeans to be finally cleansed of Holocaust guilt and challenge Jewish Power? Europeans feel they have lost the moral right to be anti-Jewish, but they feel that Muslims are justified in hating Jews because of Palestine and Nakba and Occupation.
So, if Europeans make common cause with Muslims(who don’t have the guilt of Holocaust and imperialism), the result will be a Muslim-geared EU that can stand up to Jewish Power.
Jews have a different reason for welcoming Muslims to EU. Divide and rule by diversifying the goyim. But what if whites make common cause with Muslims, as is happening with Muslims and white progs in UK? Because Muslims can pose as victims of Zionists, whites can attack Jewish Power behind the Muslim shield. As white progs are opposed to ‘antisemitism’, they cannot be doing this consciously. But maybe they are subconscious ‘antisemites’ who find Muslims very useful.
I’m admittedly not very serious minded this evening…still, every time one of the soggy Schneeflocken emit their sham WOWs…it triggers recollection of the hooch-sampling scene in The Great Escape.
IIRC it was the first scene to be filmed in the production.
This type of frank, no-nonsense, Steve commenter type language coming from a post 1945 senior western government official – and uttered in public – is pretty much unprecedented.
A real revolution has been unleashed.
As always. Moldbug.
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.il/2008_05_01_archive.html
Buckley spent his tender years split between family in CT and Mexico City. His first language was Spanish. By current definition that makes him solidly Hispanic. Possibly Latinx but not quite Chicanx.
Buckley's second language was French as he began school in Paris.
Don't know what that would make him.
OK, Steve, you got me on that – or my lack of speed-reading skills did. I thought till a minute ago that was the actual tweet, and had many a smart-ass remark loaded up, and one in the chamber. Funny stuff though.
That <b is a basic summary of how this guy, and a lot of them, think, though. Hearing some truth from a US president is messing with their minds. It’s not something they’re used to.
It's a shame that greedy Americans sold Budweiser to these foreigners.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
What’s a shame is that Americans drink that swill. Give me Miller High Life any time over that Bud crap.
OK, I’m boycotting all of these beers now, even though I never saw the commercial because I’ve been boycotting TV. I would switch to Guiness, but then there’s U2 (is that spelled right, Mr. Derbyshire?).
non-muslim countries should have as many muslims as Saudi Arabia has Jews, Buddhist, Hindus and Christians
Why would you write that, Alec? If you live in the US, you have seen the hispanic people here, and they are not close to European. If you live somewhere else, why obtain this opinion via pure rectal extraction? It’d be like me commenting: I’m guessing that they grow mangos and bananas over in Germany, so that means …..
Tell me where you live and I’ll come up with something ….
https://twitter.com/HistOpinion/status/666412991500255232Replies: @syonredux, @Amasius
And yet they ended up piling into the country that disliked them and didn’t want them. Like the moslems are trying to do now. What’s up with that?
“We demand to be let into the country that’s run by an insane, genocidal, racist tyrant who will surely end up killing us! Derp!”
“And one must also contend with the question of culture.As a simple visit to New Mexico or Southern Florida will attest, Hispanic culture is simply not compatible with Anglo culture…
There is not a single majority Hispanic city in America where the public schools are any good. If you watch the film The Substitute starring Tom Berenger that is what a typical Hispanic public school in Miami looks like, quite dysfunctional. The same for the majority Hispanic public school in Dangerous Minds which takes place in East Palo Alto, California.
It's unlikely for any minority to completely side with the majority except under very unique circumstances. If anything there is a slow shift away from SJWism within the Asian community, as more and more young Asians are perceiving it as excessive, as well as a newfound nationalist pride in our home countries.
Asian-Americans are obviously not going to go alt-right, but our own sense of nationalism will eventually put us in conflict with the ideas of the liberal left. It's just a matter of time, and preparation.Replies: @Jefferson
“How did you reach that conclusion from reading the article? Barring white-passing Latinos. Asians are likely the most sympathetic group towards whites, a little too much so IMO.”
Yeah Carlos Slim and Jorge Ramos are so extremely sympathetic towards Whites. They want so badly for America to remain a majority White country.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
I’m glad to know which corporations to patronize and which to avoid. So far I have switched from Yum Brands to Coke, Samsung not Apple, Starbucks to DD, now I can go back to Yeungling, Toyota not GM, PNC not BoA, 4H Club not Boy Scouts, I know I’ve omitted a few. My money is shit to them, I know that, but it makes me feel better.
What they don't realize is that the orthodoxy will change.Replies: @lavoisier
No. They hate and fear the Gentile more than they hate and fear the Muslim. And this hate and fear leads them to advocate for policies that undermine and ultimately destroy Gentile civilizations, i.e., Western Civilization. And in the process they destroy themselves as well.
That is what this is all about. That is what this is always about.
Maybe we will extend this ban indefinitely?
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-immigration-20170131-story.html
Dude, I love football and played all my life through college. It was something I really enjoyed to play and to watch.
Now, I cannot watch it anymore. The grandstanding and moral posturing of some of the most privileged people in our society is disgusting. Their white-hating and America-bashing has really pissed me off too. I don’t think I will even watch the Super Bowl.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
Maybe the Muslims will buy and drink their immigrationist horse piss. I certainly won’t.
Are you saying Catholic church attendance is low among Hispanic kids in The U.S?Replies: @Not Raul, @Dumbo, @Lot, @Andrew, @Citizen of a Silly Country
Compare the Hispanic population figures of any heavily Hispanic neighborhood with the Catholic Church parish membership figures for the same area.
It’s less than 50%.
You can tie the Orlando nightclub terrorist attack to anti-Hispanic racism on the part of Omar Mateen. Why didn't he choose a White Homo nightclub instead to attack?Replies: @Kyle McKenna
Perhaps because he lived in Florida.
(Yes, yes; I realise many Cubans in the area are not racially mestizoids, but they effectively have the same pathological culture, and they sure as Hell aren't Americans.)
Somewhat off-topic; I haven’t had time to comment recently at more relevant, but now buried threads.
—President Donald Trump, inauguration speech.
This is what I always understood to be the meaning of the Statue of Liberty, properly called Liberty Enlightening the World. The clue being in the name.
—President Cleveland, inauguration of The Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World.
It’s a pity ‘way’ here is used, as it could be interpreted as other than meaning ‘method.’
Later Cleveland says,
In his commemorative address, at the inauguration of Liberty Enlightening the World, The Hon. Chauncey M. Depew rebuked neocons thus:
However he did also say:
The immigration sentiment was there form the beginning, but he then added:
How can we tell?
Islam calls the collective of Muslim nations Dar al Salam, meaning House of Peace. The peace of Allah, Mullahs, Imams, a false prophet and the robotic, self-brainwashing, 5x daily head bumping.Sure there are peaceful Muslims, who will only pick out the peaceful Koran verses to recite to the gullible Westerners. The peaceful Muslims in Western nations are the oceans that the radical fundamentalists swim in undetected. The radical fundamentalists could not survive in civilized nations without the mass of peaceful Muslim immigrants being there to disappear into. The radical fundamentalist Muslims can recite valid Koran verses that sanction their wars on non-Muslims and other Muslims as in the eternal Sunni vs Shiite wars.Replies: @Yak-15
That is somewhat untrue. There are plenty of Muslims in name only who are decent, hardworking people that add value to America. However, it’s tough to separate the wheat from the chaff. I believe income levels are a great proxy as are education levels. But I also believe it’s important to make them assimilate. No more of this multi-cult rubish if you want to come here, you must pledge allegiance to the flag AND pass an assimilation test five years later.
There are certainly plenty of Muslims--even devout ones--who are decent hardworking people. I know two muslim guys--both good guys. But they do not "add value" to America. They subtract value merely by being muslim, adding diversity, chafing at America's Western orientation, making it less a part of Western Civilization.
Diversity is generally bad, and it takes a non-Western person of reasonable talent, to rise above that and be a net positive--actually add value--to America. I know several of those. But Islam is a hostile anti-Western force. The character of the West in fact forged in continual opposition, continual conflict with Islam. There is such incredible value in *not* having muslims around, in having a nation that is free from the conflict and contention that muslims always bring to the West (or to any other civilization they rub up against) that it is essentially impossible for any muslim to "add value" to a Western nation.
Muslims are--by defintion--members of Muslim civilization and that's where they belong ... in their own civilization.Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous
We get more Muslims who want to become apostate and who are semi-atheist. Not serious 5x daily head bumpers or believers in Islamic doctrine due to experiencing it and despising it. Iranians who get here really want to shuck off Islam and go atheist.
But we still get too many Muslims who will remain invested believers. If it were up to me, no more Muslim immigration except for well vetted Iranians, who as far as I know are less inbred than Arabs and Pakistanis. There is hope for the Persians.
Serious consequences of Muslim inbreeding http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/05/psychologist-serious-consequences-of.htmlReplies: @PSR
Many Americans conveniently forget that when they talk about Europe and its Muslims.Replies: @AnotherDad
Not at all Fredrik. It actually informs our deep knowledge that diversity sucks–and sucks *intractably*.
Which makes Europeans behavior–in being able to view the problems in America, yet plunge ahead with creating their own intractable diversity problem–all the more insane.
As you say being part of something is a powerful force. The Left is about screaming & preening there's no meat there.Replies: @Desiderius
Lots of pregnancies around here.
The Saxon has begun to mate.
We need an immigration pause until we can get our elites assimilated.
http://motls.blogspot.com/2017/01/unreasonable-university-calls-for-civil.htmlReplies: @War for Blair Mountain
res
Woit achieved the impossible:he made Lubos come across reasonable and sane…..LOL…
I had a discussion with my wife on the subject. What prompted it was my showing of the following to her, very on topic:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nR7VhRq2yns
She would rather not be confronted by the politics, and that she disagreed that every Muslim is a bad person. However, what it really came down to after a lot of discussion was that none of her friends/family think the same way that I do and that she doesn't want to be thought of as a "terrible person" and lose her friends.
I asked her if she had read the Koran, and responded she didn't have the time. I asked if she remembered what the main principles of Christianity were. I think she had forgotten them too. I was expecting to hear something like "The Ten Commandments" or "The Sermon on the Mount". The point being is that the core message from the Koran is completely different. The meek do not inherit the earth in the Koran. Instead one must wage Jihad. If that is what the average Muslim thinks is a good thing, importing people like that will be the destruction of Western civilization and our way of life. If you are going to make a statement that not every Muslim is a bad person, you should make some attempt to understand what Muslims believe.
I mentioned Malmo in Sweden, and that Sweden used to be the model state that leftists would mention for the rest of the world to aspire to, gun control, welfare, you name it the Swedes had it and this made them a leftist utopia. And now they are the rape capital of Europe with Muslim areas as no-go zones for the police. Why don't they kick them out? Well, it's because most Swedes are politically correct and don't want to be seen as "terrible people".
Why don't the politicians do the right thing then? Because it takes a lot of guts, and they don't want to be seen as literally Hitler by the media.
I made the point that the 1968 generation had no experience with non-whites, and saw the world through a lens where it was whites who were always the instigators of negative actions towards non-whites. So they have created this world that they had not anticipated, and they are too old to adapt very well for the most part. It is up to ours and future generations to adapt to this world that our parents' generation have created for us.Replies: @Jim Christian, @Chrisnonymous, @dfordoom, @BB753
Fascinating, discussing politics with wives. Mansplaining to your wife? Why beat her down with this stuff? Graph your sex life the next month or two, bet you’re trending down. Unaware and Liberal Feminist Democrat women are at heart, ignorant about this stuff, they don’t think of existential situations 40 years down the road. Look, millions of men, husbands of millions upon millions of liberal feminists, kept their traps shut, smiled sweetly at their liberal feminist wives and pulled the levers for Trump. This, because full disclosure would cost them pussy or a divorce. It was, collectively, a constructive strategy. That road, discussing opposing politics with liberal women (who are feelings-ruled morons to begin with), leads only to a life of less pussy, even less normally even, I was married to one back in DC, I know. Of course, she was a biscuit or two over 335, but THAT is another issue..
Women are 90% “educated” and still don’t know shit about the world and how it works. How would they then understand politics? Their politics are all feelings-based, every bit. What was rational about Ashley Judd last week and yet, there were the White women in their Islamic headgear cheering Ashley Judd’s psychotic rant against men like Judd was the Beatles of old. THESE are the scary ones. This is because Liberal Feminists, even the marrying kind, as still psycho. Look at them. They’re out there all over the streets. They’re mad-cap, batshit crazy, dressing like pussies on the one hand, Muslims on the other. How does anyone reconcile any of this? Ye Gawds..
If these women knew their husbands cancelled their feminist vote for Hillary with a man-vote for Trump, they’d geld the poor bastard, even assuming they haven’t been in the virtual sense just being married to them. And there some of you are, ministering to your wives about the political dangers of the world. Again, fascinating..
I blame the baby boomers for being collective traitors to their people on the scale of King Mac Murchada. On average, they are The Worst Generation, our host and commentariat members excepted. However, I wonder what my children will say about generation X. We have no excuse for ignorance, and are ascendant in our influence. Every year we sit on our hands, the worse and more insurmountable the situation becomes.
The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing ...
Disagree.
There are certainly plenty of Muslims–even devout ones–who are decent hardworking people. I know two muslim guys–both good guys. But they do not “add value” to America. They subtract value merely by being muslim, adding diversity, chafing at America’s Western orientation, making it less a part of Western Civilization.
Diversity is generally bad, and it takes a non-Western person of reasonable talent, to rise above that and be a net positive–actually add value–to America. I know several of those. But Islam is a hostile anti-Western force. The character of the West in fact forged in continual opposition, continual conflict with Islam. There is such incredible value in *not* having muslims around, in having a nation that is free from the conflict and contention that muslims always bring to the West (or to any other civilization they rub up against) that it is essentially impossible for any muslim to “add value” to a Western nation.
Muslims are–by defintion–members of Muslim civilization and that’s where they belong … in their own civilization.
By living amongst the kuffar, he is, by definition subjecting himself to rule by kuffar and is paying taxes to uphold the kuffar.
If it so happens that the 'king' of the kuffar happens to declare war and enmity against the ummah - as happened with Tony Blair in 2003 - not only is Muslim legally obliged by kuffar law to participate in war against the ummah, his tax money and hard work is used against the ummah.
It is a fundamental contradiction that forces faithful Muslims never to live in kuffar nations under kuffar kings. It is reasonable to call devout Muslims who voluntarily choose to live under the kuffar - for purely financial reasons - hypocrites.
Are you saying Catholic church attendance is low among Hispanic kids in The U.S?Replies: @Not Raul, @Dumbo, @Lot, @Andrew, @Citizen of a Silly Country
I’m saying that most Hispanics aren’t “white” and they certainly aren’t genetically built for a de Tocqueville-like society.
Like California, Florida from Orlando south (with the exception of some enclaves preserved for the traitorous whites via their unaffordable realty – e.g., the Keys and areas such as Fort Meyers in the west – analogous to Malibu, Del Mar, Los Altos, Woodside, etc.) is occupied territory; there are no Americans to terrorise there, so the murderer had to kill mestizoids.
(Yes, yes; I realise many Cubans in the area are not racially mestizoids, but they effectively have the same pathological culture, and they sure as Hell aren’t Americans.)
Beer ads aimed at Muslims and white wine sipping libs – now there’s a brilliant marketing move.
It would be interesting to correlate Budweiser sales with political affiliation. I get the feeling that deplorables drink a lot more Bud than non-deplorables.
When I was 18 I worked in a liquor store (in NJ you had to buy beer in a licensed liquor store). I found that the customers adhered to the 80/20 rule = for almost any product, 80% of sales are made to the most loyal 20% of your customer base. Let’s say we had some VERY regular customers.
I’ve seen snippets of the ads – the premise is to show (not very realistically) the immigrant young Adolphus Busch making plans for his brewery. Because 19th century German immigrants are JUST like Muslim immigrants today.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/01/sweden-took-162k-refugees-last-year-494-got-jobs/
Which references: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_Food_227.pdf
containing real data. See page 14 crosstabs for favorite beer (but note only 500 registered voters surveyed).
Bud 12/17/15 D/R/I
Corona 15/6/3 D/R/I
Coors 5/11/8 D/R/I
So you are correct, but the effect in the other direction for Corona is even larger. I was surprised to see Bud so uniform.
We/USA get a better class of Muslims than Europe. Happily enough we are an ocean away from Muslim population centers of the Middle East which find Europe next door, thus easy to invade/hijack/take over via demographic Jihad.
We get more Muslims who want to become apostate and who are semi-atheist. Not serious 5x daily head bumpers or believers in Islamic doctrine due to experiencing it and despising it. Iranians who get here really want to shuck off Islam and go atheist.
But we still get too many Muslims who will remain invested believers. If it were up to me, no more Muslim immigration except for well vetted Iranians, who as far as I know are less inbred than Arabs and Pakistanis. There is hope for the Persians.
Serious consequences of Muslim inbreeding http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/05/psychologist-serious-consequences-of.html
The Zeroth Amendment, aka “Nation of Immigrants” (too bad Oswald didn’t get Ted as well) the text being Lazarus’ bad poem.
There are certainly plenty of Muslims--even devout ones--who are decent hardworking people. I know two muslim guys--both good guys. But they do not "add value" to America. They subtract value merely by being muslim, adding diversity, chafing at America's Western orientation, making it less a part of Western Civilization.
Diversity is generally bad, and it takes a non-Western person of reasonable talent, to rise above that and be a net positive--actually add value--to America. I know several of those. But Islam is a hostile anti-Western force. The character of the West in fact forged in continual opposition, continual conflict with Islam. There is such incredible value in *not* having muslims around, in having a nation that is free from the conflict and contention that muslims always bring to the West (or to any other civilization they rub up against) that it is essentially impossible for any muslim to "add value" to a Western nation.
Muslims are--by defintion--members of Muslim civilization and that's where they belong ... in their own civilization.Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous
What’s interesting is that while there have always been a handful of Muslims in the US, until recently there was never any mass immigration. The earlier Middle Eastern immigration was mostly Christians (Maronites, Armenians) not Muslims. They could have come in the pre-’24 era but they didn’t. I think they understood that, as you say, Islam is a complete civilization and way of life that’s not really compatible with life in the West. It certainly wasn’t in pre-PC days when Americans would not have put up with multiple wives and other Muslim nonsense.
The first wave of Muslims were African slaves, of whom 10 to 15 percent were practicing members of the Islamic faith. But their slave masters forced them to convert to Christianity.
Any effort to embrace Islam was conducted in secret. From 1878 to 1924, Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, particularly from Syria and Lebanon, arrived in large numbers, with many settling in Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and even the Dakotas. Like most other migrants they were seeking greater economic opportunity than in their homeland and often worked as manual laborers.Replies: @Jack D, @Jefferson
Seizing from the whites would be difficult. Taking it from the blacks and browns, not so much.
I see the Asians in British Columbia and Washington the same way I do Latin Americans in California and the Southwest: settlers.Replies: @Chrisnonymous
Agreed. My experience with AA in America and A in Asia indicates that, given critical mass, they will just start excluding/ignoring.
Better to exclude than be excluded.
I had a discussion with my wife on the subject. What prompted it was my showing of the following to her, very on topic:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nR7VhRq2yns
She would rather not be confronted by the politics, and that she disagreed that every Muslim is a bad person. However, what it really came down to after a lot of discussion was that none of her friends/family think the same way that I do and that she doesn't want to be thought of as a "terrible person" and lose her friends.
I asked her if she had read the Koran, and responded she didn't have the time. I asked if she remembered what the main principles of Christianity were. I think she had forgotten them too. I was expecting to hear something like "The Ten Commandments" or "The Sermon on the Mount". The point being is that the core message from the Koran is completely different. The meek do not inherit the earth in the Koran. Instead one must wage Jihad. If that is what the average Muslim thinks is a good thing, importing people like that will be the destruction of Western civilization and our way of life. If you are going to make a statement that not every Muslim is a bad person, you should make some attempt to understand what Muslims believe.
I mentioned Malmo in Sweden, and that Sweden used to be the model state that leftists would mention for the rest of the world to aspire to, gun control, welfare, you name it the Swedes had it and this made them a leftist utopia. And now they are the rape capital of Europe with Muslim areas as no-go zones for the police. Why don't they kick them out? Well, it's because most Swedes are politically correct and don't want to be seen as "terrible people".
Why don't the politicians do the right thing then? Because it takes a lot of guts, and they don't want to be seen as literally Hitler by the media.
I made the point that the 1968 generation had no experience with non-whites, and saw the world through a lens where it was whites who were always the instigators of negative actions towards non-whites. So they have created this world that they had not anticipated, and they are too old to adapt very well for the most part. It is up to ours and future generations to adapt to this world that our parents' generation have created for us.Replies: @Jim Christian, @Chrisnonymous, @dfordoom, @BB753
So true.
Muslims are fine with their countries; what you see as "messed up", they see as strong and able to send people out to conquer the world. Not too many of them come here to live as Americans; they come here to live as Muslims and bless us with their religion.Replies: @Jefferson, @Corvinus
“Not too many of them come here to live as Americans; they come here to live as Muslims and bless us with their religion.”
That’s a False News Story. Get your facts straight.
http://www.newsweek.com/do-muslims-easily-assimilate-american-society-509673
“What’s interesting is that while there have always been a handful of Muslims in the US, until recently there was never any mass immigration.”
The first wave of Muslims were African slaves, of whom 10 to 15 percent were practicing members of the Islamic faith. But their slave masters forced them to convert to Christianity.
Any effort to embrace Islam was conducted in secret. From 1878 to 1924, Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, particularly from Syria and Lebanon, arrived in large numbers, with many settling in Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and even the Dakotas. Like most other migrants they were seeking greater economic opportunity than in their homeland and often worked as manual laborers.
Too bad we can't do the same to the current Muslim immigrants in North America and Europe.Replies: @Corvinus
Columbia University Mathematics Professor Peter Woit is calling for the overthrow of POTUS Trump...go read his current hysterical post on his blog ...Not Even Wrong...Replies: @Anon, @MarkinLA, @Alec Leamas, @guest, @Pericles
“Fascism and the Current National Emergency”
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=9076
I might be tempted to call this “not even wrong”.
There are certainly plenty of Muslims--even devout ones--who are decent hardworking people. I know two muslim guys--both good guys. But they do not "add value" to America. They subtract value merely by being muslim, adding diversity, chafing at America's Western orientation, making it less a part of Western Civilization.
Diversity is generally bad, and it takes a non-Western person of reasonable talent, to rise above that and be a net positive--actually add value--to America. I know several of those. But Islam is a hostile anti-Western force. The character of the West in fact forged in continual opposition, continual conflict with Islam. There is such incredible value in *not* having muslims around, in having a nation that is free from the conflict and contention that muslims always bring to the West (or to any other civilization they rub up against) that it is essentially impossible for any muslim to "add value" to a Western nation.
Muslims are--by defintion--members of Muslim civilization and that's where they belong ... in their own civilization.Replies: @Jack D, @Anonymous
In fact, no devout Muslim would ever choose to live amongst the kuffar.
By living amongst the kuffar, he is, by definition subjecting himself to rule by kuffar and is paying taxes to uphold the kuffar.
If it so happens that the ‘king’ of the kuffar happens to declare war and enmity against the ummah – as happened with Tony Blair in 2003 – not only is Muslim legally obliged by kuffar law to participate in war against the ummah, his tax money and hard work is used against the ummah.
It is a fundamental contradiction that forces faithful Muslims never to live in kuffar nations under kuffar kings. It is reasonable to call devout Muslims who voluntarily choose to live under the kuffar – for purely financial reasons – hypocrites.
“Vox Day has done a great job of ripping apart the idea of a proposition nation. It’s quite simple: if we are truly a proposition nation, those who do not agree with the proposition must be stripped of citizenship.”
In his mind he tore it apart. In reality, that’s another thing.
The nation was founded for the people, whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed. Congress was given the green light by the Founding Fathers as to determine who were those people. At the time, it was Europeans. Later on, it incorporated non-Europeans. The people through Congress had the liberty to include other peoples. Now, the Alt Right would counter a coalition of early 20th century immigrants, led by the Jews, intentionally destroyed the demographics of the United States because they thought it would be beneficial for their various minority groups. Do you subscribe to this line of thought?
Would you agree that the single biggest single mistake made by the Founding Fathers was for immigrants and their descendants, ranging from the Irish to Germans to Assyrians to Vietnamese, should never have been permitted to vote? That they had little to do with creating the society they sought to join?
The argument made by Vox Day is that the melting pot is “anti-American and anti-Christian.” From his point of view, the Constitution was meant secure the rights of Englishmen and ONLY applies to this particular group of people, since the non-English–meaning white Europeans–lack the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend its ideals. So those American citizens born in Portugal or in Romania are other than American. That would mean YOU if you are unable to track your ancestors down as being English.
In this impending race war by 2033, is there any place for this large amount of white Americans who are the descendants of non-Anglo Europeans in the Alt-Right America? Vox Day says, “I have no idea. It’s not for me to decide where the lines will be drawn. I can only say that there is a very high probability that lines will be drawn. Precisely where, my guess is no better than anyone else’s.”
Interesting how few of his supposed high IQ Vile Faceless Minions dare question his rationale. So, my fellow white Europeans who are not of English descent, are you on board with his position? Is he not equating that YOU are refuse, that YOU are the tired and huddled masses, that YOU should have never received voting rights, with his insistence that a select few have the right to call themselves “Americans”?
The first wave of Muslims were African slaves, of whom 10 to 15 percent were practicing members of the Islamic faith. But their slave masters forced them to convert to Christianity.
Any effort to embrace Islam was conducted in secret. From 1878 to 1924, Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, particularly from Syria and Lebanon, arrived in large numbers, with many settling in Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and even the Dakotas. Like most other migrants they were seeking greater economic opportunity than in their homeland and often worked as manual laborers.Replies: @Jack D, @Jefferson
I think you are wrong – there were indeed immigrants from Syria and Lebanon but they were mostly Christians (and Sephardic Jews).
This current round is not America’s first experience with immigration. This circle was squared long ago with many generations of Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, etc. The proposition that America affords to immigrants is supposed to be a 2 way street – you accept American values and become a useful citizen and America will accept you as an American. America is much more than just the descendants of English settlers. The Constitution did not create a hereditary royalty consisting of the descendants of English settlers. This deal was and is valid, but then Leftists decided that American values (meaning dead white male values) were deplorable and should not be accepted by anyone and this spoiled the deal. If Americans themselves no longer believe the proposition, and their teachers tell them to despise racist, sexist America, then how can immigrants and their children buy into it?
Exactly.
"This deal was and is valid, but then Leftists decided that American values (meaning dead white male values) were deplorable and should not be accepted by anyone and this spoiled the deal."
The deal was spoiled by those who insist that groups other than white and/or other than Christian are capable of becoming an American.Replies: @SPMoore8
True, that. His father also spoke Spanish extremely well.
Buckley’s second language was French as he began school in Paris.
Don’t know what that would make him.
Muslims believe that even as they carve their way in to the West.
Muslims in France are cackling merrily over how open borders idiot Macron is the socialist presidential candidate at a time when Thatcherite rightist Fillon has been wounded by an expenses scandal.
See twitter feed of Muslim Brotherhood operative Hani Ramadan who uses the French law and human rights like a cudgel.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_HaniRamadan
(French)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
Walking it back a bit: https://fortune.com/2017/01/30/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-immigrant/
“Budweiser Says Super Bowl Ad About Immigrant Founder Is Not Political Commentary”
Article mentioning this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrat-republican-differences-lifestyle_us_56e979fee4b0b25c918406e0
Which references: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_Food_227.pdf
containing real data. See page 14 crosstabs for favorite beer (but note only 500 registered voters surveyed).
Bud 12/17/15 D/R/I
Corona 15/6/3 D/R/I
Coors 5/11/8 D/R/I
So you are correct, but the effect in the other direction for Corona is even larger. I was surprised to see Bud so uniform.
Unqualified Reservations appears to have been an elaborate practical joke. Sokal Hoax crossed with Infinite Jest. That guy must have hooked tons of sweaty neck beards. Verily, methinks.
You got me there. But then, I’m a straight white guy.
In the end, however, the Left stands for opposing – and stealing from – normal white guys (and, to some extent, normal white women). That’s it. The Left offers nothing else. It’s really an empty ideology.
Everything else that it stands for – abortion, welfare state, enforced equality – are contradictory to its diversity uber alles. Muslims won’t stand for abortion. Unfettered immigration destroys the welfare state. The various groups making up the Left will not stand for sharing the pie equally.
The Left will die as whites fade. It’s already happening. Blacks and other groups already are demanding the higher jobs in the party. White men and women are being pushed aside, at least in public roles. In DC, minorities are bitching that Dem staffs on the Hill aren’t diverse. They will demand quotas.
The Dem Party is on its way to being the Anti-White (all whites) Party. Only the most zealot whites will not notice this. I’d suspect that younger whites will notice better than older liberals.
The Dem whites thought that they could run the party like a plantation. A few whites controlling a large number of browns with a few nice house ni$$ers allowed in the mansion. But those whites never employed big, strong men with guns to keep the order and now the uprisings are starting.
The only question is whether the Jews can use their money, organization and influence to hold the party together by buying off or threatening the brown leaders. It’ll be tough, but Jews are remarkably capable so it’s anyone’s game. But each year it will get harder to hold those groups together while keeping whites running the show. Frankly, blacks are just too stupid to realize that they can’t run things and are better off letting whites do it, which means that they’ll keep pushing for more.
Interesting times.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/budweiser-super-bowl-ad-shows-founder-immigrant-journey-article-1.2960832Replies: @anon, @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin, @Anon, @dr kill, @Andrew, @res, @Olorin
Isn’t this the same A-B that offered up the acclaimed 9/11 anniversary memorial commercial at last year’s national gladiatorial spectacle?
I’m sure we can all take a knee and bend our deplorable frog-necks at the wonderfulness of the 9/11 terrorists’ diverse and worship-worthy “immigrant journeys.”
Which included hijacking jet planes in hatred of and with intent to destroy the US and its people.
If so, it was a pointless endeavor. Because the Sokal Hoax was very obviously nonsense, as nonsensical as the honest nonsense it parodied. Moldbuggery might have made some followers sound sillier than they otherwise would have, and large parts of it you can’t take seriously. (You’re a Jacobite? Really? Do you also have a bridge for sale?) But the idea that people who were “suckered” by Moldbug, if they were, could look as bad as those suckered by Sokal is ridiculous. Because, like I said, that was obvious nonsense. Moldbug’s style, on the other hand, is highly ironic, infused with misdirection and humor, and upfront about it. You wouldn’t have to be a brain-addled postmodernist academic to miss the point.
Also, it makes too much sense, and would have required way too much work to be an out and out hoax. I can believe he didn’t *really* believe it, but that’s far more common in philosophy, criticism, whatever, than people let on. Do you really think Plato or Marx believed all the nonsense they wrote, for instance? No, but that’s a far sight from hoaxing.
Syria, full of Persians, was a moderately popular tourist destination before the recent unpleasantness.
Pakistan, full of South Asians, is a mountaineering heaven, though mountain tribes don’t like the mountaineers.
Afghanistan, full of Central Asians . . . well, you’ve seen the pictures of 1970s Kabul with all the hotties walking around in short skirts.
Palestine . . . I’ll give you that one. Not even their fellow Arabs like Palestinians, apparently.
That sounds…..doubtful. I suspect that Buckley is gilding the lily, as it were….
Is that the current definition? By that measure, a large percentage of Hispanics in the USA are not Hispanic……
I wonder about edge cases like full blooded Mayan Guatemalan Nobel Laureate Rigoberta Menchú who learned to speak Spanish starting at the age of twenty (from Así Me Nació La Consciencia),Is she Hispanic? Probably not.Replies: @BB753, @syonredux
You’re guessing? How about simply listening to the people who don’t have to guess? If 5-10% is a “large proportion”, then you’re in luck.
“What’s interesting is that while there have always been a handful of Muslims in the US, until recently there was never any mass immigration.”
As recently as the 1990s there were zero cities in The U.S where Muslims outnumber Christians, now we have 2 with Hamtramck and Dearborn. If the Left has it their way Dearborn and Hamtramck become the national norm rather than the national exception.
That is what this is all about. That is what this is always about.Replies: @syonredux
Incorrect use of terminology. Muslims are also Gentiles.
However, Muslims would not consider themselves to be Gentiles and have also used the term Gentile to describe the non-believer as well. In fact, the term can be found in the Quran.
So basically the term cannot really be applied to the Muslim correctly unless you feel comfortable applying a term to a group of people who would not accept that term as valid and use it themselves to describe the non-believer in THEIR faith.Replies: @syonredux
So, if Europeans make common cause with Muslims(who don't have the guilt of Holocaust and imperialism), the result will be a Muslim-geared EU that can stand up to Jewish Power.
Jews have a different reason for welcoming Muslims to EU. Divide and rule by diversifying the goyim. But what if whites make common cause with Muslims, as is happening with Muslims and white progs in UK? Because Muslims can pose as victims of Zionists, whites can attack Jewish Power behind the Muslim shield. As white progs are opposed to 'antisemitism', they cannot be doing this consciously. But maybe they are subconscious 'antisemites' who find Muslims very useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09_txZFbX4Replies: @syonredux
Sounds an awful lot like curing cancer by blowing your brains out…..
The first wave of Muslims were African slaves, of whom 10 to 15 percent were practicing members of the Islamic faith. But their slave masters forced them to convert to Christianity.
Any effort to embrace Islam was conducted in secret. From 1878 to 1924, Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, particularly from Syria and Lebanon, arrived in large numbers, with many settling in Ohio, Michigan, Iowa and even the Dakotas. Like most other migrants they were seeking greater economic opportunity than in their homeland and often worked as manual laborers.Replies: @Jack D, @Jefferson
“The first wave of Muslims were African slaves, of whom 10 to 15 percent were practicing members of the Islamic faith. But their slave masters forced them to convert to Christianity.”
Too bad we can’t do the same to the current Muslim immigrants in North America and Europe.
So you support forcing groups of people to abandon their faith for something different? I thought Christianity was the religion of peace.
Dear Professor Scott Aaronson
The MIT Iranian graduates can all study theoretical computer science at the world renown Technion in Israel…After all, the kind…gentle…warm…welcomming Israeli People will welcome these Iranian computer science students with great big warm Israeli Jewish hugs!!!
As for you Steve…
You have been given a DIVINE EDICT!!! to go read Professor Aaronson’s most recent “Sheetle Optimized” post by MIT Professor Scott Aaronson on POTUS Trump’s visa ban….
The multi-generational effects of migration do need to be addressed. If we hadn’t admitted German Friedrich Trump and his wife back in the 1800’s, we wouldn’t have gotten their authoritarian grandson as president.
OK, I'm boycotting all of these beers now, even though I never saw the commercial because I've been boycotting TV. I would switch to Guiness, but then there's U2 (is that spelled right, Mr. Derbyshire?).Replies: @Olorin
Make your own. Ale is easy, especially with today’s beer kits.
Master it and the move to black beers comes naturally.
I used to make a chocolate-coffee black beer whose wort got freeze-distilled outside on the balcony. G0t it up to the 20+% ABV range at 20 below. Northern Brewer, Olympic, or Glacier for bittering, Cascade and Willamette for finishing. Or whatever was on hand.
The water supply in that city was high in lime, which offset the acids in the roasted malt portion of the grain bill. Champagne yeast punched through the high gravity. There’d be vigorous arguments about what it was–barley wine, Baltic porter, imperial stout–but I never knew or cared.
Point being, it got to the point where it was as easy as throwing a lamb leg on the grill. I brewed more often, only a gallon to three/four at a time. Anything I didn’t like would make friends happy.
Though there was that time my “Russian barley wine” was too sweet for my taste, and three friends got in a shouting match over who got how many bottles. Gave me a whole new perspective on Russian history, though they were Irish guys, and that batch’s 22% was no doubt a contributor.
"Budweiser Says Super Bowl Ad About Immigrant Founder Is Not Political Commentary"Replies: @Forbes
Who you gonna believe, me? Or your lyin’ eyes?
Well — how about that? I fell for the misinformation.
It’s either being born or raised in a Spanish-speaking country or direct descent from Hispanic people. There’s a lot of angst from anglophone Hispanics in America that don’t speak Spanish these days. Just do a youtube search for Mexicans that don’t speak Spanish. Some of the better videos are pretty funny in the fish-out-of-water genre. The reversal of Unz’s initiative should reverse that trend, though.
I wonder about edge cases like full blooded Mayan Guatemalan Nobel Laureate Rigoberta Menchú who learned to speak Spanish starting at the age of twenty (from Así Me Nació La Consciencia),
Is she Hispanic? Probably not.
I wonder how much of this is actual belief & how much of this is being offended by people openly admitting that they don't want many Muslim immigration.
Annie/Ezra have a child presumably they want a country that works for her.Replies: @Paul Yarbles, @Forbes
There’s probably a great deal of cognitive dissonance–and selective (cherry picking) recall of facts/information. Annie/Ezra probably disagree, and don’t think France is facing a terrorist threat.
The prog-left mindset believes that Western (governments) society is the cause of acts of terrorism–that if the society were more welcoming, more open minded about accepting Muslims, then said acts would diminish. WE are the cause of said terrorism, i.e. that terrorism is an understandable reaction to racial/religious discrimination/persecution.
Technically yes. The real conflict is Semites vs. Europeans. The fellow-Semite kindred feeling is becoming more and more obvious as time goes on. They look similar, and think similarly (Judaism, Marxism, Islam are all conquering totalitarian semitic thought systems) because they are essentially the same people. The ongoing tribal conflict in the Middle East with Israel vs. moslems might have some people confused, but that is a brothers’ war.
Sigmund Freud (Ashkenazi jew, Semite) adored and admired Hannibal (Phoenician/Carthaginian, Semite) because he ‘took it to Rome’ like Freud himself was trying to do, i.e. the Catholic Church, i.e. Europe, i.e. White people (towheads as Freud called them. Even the love/hate thing in regard to blonde hair is shared and eternal).
But the jews and their Semitism are in White people’s heads thanks to Christianity so I strongly doubt they will ever understand and be able to do anything about it.
I wonder about edge cases like full blooded Mayan Guatemalan Nobel Laureate Rigoberta Menchú who learned to speak Spanish starting at the age of twenty (from Así Me Nació La Consciencia),Is she Hispanic? Probably not.Replies: @BB753, @syonredux
How do you call an anglophone Hispanic? Non-Hispanic Hispanic? Or Mayan-speaker Rigoberta Menchu, for that matter?
That's a False News Story. Get your facts straight.
http://www.newsweek.com/do-muslims-easily-assimilate-american-society-509673Replies: @celt darnell
Newsweek IS fake news, chum.
Dear, entire publications are NOT false news. Are you that ignorant? One has to properly vet each and every story, cross reference facts from several sources, and then come up with a conclusion regarding its overall accuracy. That's how intelligent people operate.Replies: @Jim Christian
We would appreciate if you would explain this to the Palestinians, please.
We get more Muslims who want to become apostate and who are semi-atheist. Not serious 5x daily head bumpers or believers in Islamic doctrine due to experiencing it and despising it. Iranians who get here really want to shuck off Islam and go atheist.
But we still get too many Muslims who will remain invested believers. If it were up to me, no more Muslim immigration except for well vetted Iranians, who as far as I know are less inbred than Arabs and Pakistanis. There is hope for the Persians.
Serious consequences of Muslim inbreeding http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2013/05/psychologist-serious-consequences-of.htmlReplies: @PSR
You must not live in an area that has been swamped by Somalis. They are distinctly *not* high class.
Too bad we can't do the same to the current Muslim immigrants in North America and Europe.Replies: @Corvinus
“Too bad we can’t do the same to the current Muslim immigrants in North America and Europe.”
So you support forcing groups of people to abandon their faith for something different? I thought Christianity was the religion of peace.
I had a discussion with my wife on the subject. What prompted it was my showing of the following to her, very on topic:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nR7VhRq2yns
She would rather not be confronted by the politics, and that she disagreed that every Muslim is a bad person. However, what it really came down to after a lot of discussion was that none of her friends/family think the same way that I do and that she doesn't want to be thought of as a "terrible person" and lose her friends.
I asked her if she had read the Koran, and responded she didn't have the time. I asked if she remembered what the main principles of Christianity were. I think she had forgotten them too. I was expecting to hear something like "The Ten Commandments" or "The Sermon on the Mount". The point being is that the core message from the Koran is completely different. The meek do not inherit the earth in the Koran. Instead one must wage Jihad. If that is what the average Muslim thinks is a good thing, importing people like that will be the destruction of Western civilization and our way of life. If you are going to make a statement that not every Muslim is a bad person, you should make some attempt to understand what Muslims believe.
I mentioned Malmo in Sweden, and that Sweden used to be the model state that leftists would mention for the rest of the world to aspire to, gun control, welfare, you name it the Swedes had it and this made them a leftist utopia. And now they are the rape capital of Europe with Muslim areas as no-go zones for the police. Why don't they kick them out? Well, it's because most Swedes are politically correct and don't want to be seen as "terrible people".
Why don't the politicians do the right thing then? Because it takes a lot of guts, and they don't want to be seen as literally Hitler by the media.
I made the point that the 1968 generation had no experience with non-whites, and saw the world through a lens where it was whites who were always the instigators of negative actions towards non-whites. So they have created this world that they had not anticipated, and they are too old to adapt very well for the most part. It is up to ours and future generations to adapt to this world that our parents' generation have created for us.Replies: @Jim Christian, @Chrisnonymous, @dfordoom, @BB753
Did you get anywhere?
I have said the same thing many times before, so temporarily yes, long term probably not. The media plus her friends/family are a constant influence in the other direction. Until our neighborhood becomes pozzed and it affects her personally, such is the status quo.
She takes my side in discussions with family but their side in discussions with me. Most women do not enjoy political discussions or thinking about politics. I think part of the reason the left has been successful with women is that it has pre-packaged its politics as doctrinal, good vs evil religious type emoting. Women don't enjoy political discussion but they had been the mainstays of church attendance.Replies: @dfordoom
I had a discussion with my wife on the subject. What prompted it was my showing of the following to her, very on topic:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nR7VhRq2yns
She would rather not be confronted by the politics, and that she disagreed that every Muslim is a bad person. However, what it really came down to after a lot of discussion was that none of her friends/family think the same way that I do and that she doesn't want to be thought of as a "terrible person" and lose her friends.
I asked her if she had read the Koran, and responded she didn't have the time. I asked if she remembered what the main principles of Christianity were. I think she had forgotten them too. I was expecting to hear something like "The Ten Commandments" or "The Sermon on the Mount". The point being is that the core message from the Koran is completely different. The meek do not inherit the earth in the Koran. Instead one must wage Jihad. If that is what the average Muslim thinks is a good thing, importing people like that will be the destruction of Western civilization and our way of life. If you are going to make a statement that not every Muslim is a bad person, you should make some attempt to understand what Muslims believe.
I mentioned Malmo in Sweden, and that Sweden used to be the model state that leftists would mention for the rest of the world to aspire to, gun control, welfare, you name it the Swedes had it and this made them a leftist utopia. And now they are the rape capital of Europe with Muslim areas as no-go zones for the police. Why don't they kick them out? Well, it's because most Swedes are politically correct and don't want to be seen as "terrible people".
Why don't the politicians do the right thing then? Because it takes a lot of guts, and they don't want to be seen as literally Hitler by the media.
I made the point that the 1968 generation had no experience with non-whites, and saw the world through a lens where it was whites who were always the instigators of negative actions towards non-whites. So they have created this world that they had not anticipated, and they are too old to adapt very well for the most part. It is up to ours and future generations to adapt to this world that our parents' generation have created for us.Replies: @Jim Christian, @Chrisnonymous, @dfordoom, @BB753
“Why don’t the politicians do the right thing then? Because it takes a lot of guts, and they don’t want to be seen as literally Hitler by the media.”
Not quite. Politicians are in bed with Muslims (sometimes literally) and both hate and fear their countrymen, in particular the little people, at any rate.
They figure by the time Muslims take over, if ever, they’ll be long dead by then, so they don’t care. “Apres moi, le deluge”. Politicians just want to hold on to their sinecures and their power, however limited.
They figure by the time Muslims take over, if ever, they’ll be long dead by then, so they don’t care. “Apres moi, le deluge”. Politicians just want to hold on to their sinecures and their power, however limited.
I think you are right that in general, politicians want to hold on to their sinecures and power. However, the driving force behind the attitudes re: Muslims and immigration is perception of donor desires, how they themselves will be treated in the media, and I think to some extent their own views as shaped by the media etc.
The exception is with the leftist parties, who see Muslims as their constituents.Replies: @BB753
Did you get anywhere?
I have said the same thing many times before, so temporarily yes, long term probably not. The media plus her friends/family are a constant influence in the other direction. Until our neighborhood becomes pozzed and it affects her personally, such is the status quo.
She takes my side in discussions with family but their side in discussions with me. Most women do not enjoy political discussions or thinking about politics. I think part of the reason the left has been successful with women is that it has pre-packaged its politics as doctrinal, good vs evil religious type emoting. Women don’t enjoy political discussion but they had been the mainstays of church attendance.
The Left holds no appeal to women. Leftism requires unemotional analysis. What is very popular with women is Social Justice and Globalism, which is pretty much the opposite of leftism. Social Justice/Globalism is a right-wing ideology candy-coated with lots of nice warm fuzzy feelings.
Not quite. Politicians are in bed with Muslims (sometimes literally) and both hate and fear their countrymen, in particular the little people, at any rate.
They figure by the time Muslims take over, if ever, they'll be long dead by then, so they don't care. "Apres moi, le deluge". Politicians just want to hold on to their sinecures and their power, however limited.Replies: @Anonym
Not quite. Politicians are in bed with Muslims (sometimes literally) and both hate and fear their countrymen, in particular the little people, at any rate.
They figure by the time Muslims take over, if ever, they’ll be long dead by then, so they don’t care. “Apres moi, le deluge”. Politicians just want to hold on to their sinecures and their power, however limited.
I think you are right that in general, politicians want to hold on to their sinecures and power. However, the driving force behind the attitudes re: Muslims and immigration is perception of donor desires, how they themselves will be treated in the media, and I think to some extent their own views as shaped by the media etc.
The exception is with the leftist parties, who see Muslims as their constituents.
Same way you might call a Jew a Semite even though he doesn’t speak a Semitic language. Because that’s part of the conventional meaning.
Women are 90% "educated" and still don't know shit about the world and how it works. How would they then understand politics? Their politics are all feelings-based, every bit. What was rational about Ashley Judd last week and yet, there were the White women in their Islamic headgear cheering Ashley Judd's psychotic rant against men like Judd was the Beatles of old. THESE are the scary ones. This is because Liberal Feminists, even the marrying kind, as still psycho. Look at them. They're out there all over the streets. They're mad-cap, batshit crazy, dressing like pussies on the one hand, Muslims on the other. How does anyone reconcile any of this? Ye Gawds..
If these women knew their husbands cancelled their feminist vote for Hillary with a man-vote for Trump, they'd geld the poor bastard, even assuming they haven't been in the virtual sense just being married to them. And there some of you are, ministering to your wives about the political dangers of the world. Again, fascinating..Replies: @Anonym, @BB753
Getting cut off from pussy, or a divorce is the least of my worries. I am more concerned about avoiding raising defenceless PC educated morons.
I blame the baby boomers for being collective traitors to their people on the scale of King Mac Murchada. On average, they are The Worst Generation, our host and commentariat members excepted. However, I wonder what my children will say about generation X. We have no excuse for ignorance, and are ascendant in our influence. Every year we sit on our hands, the worse and more insurmountable the situation becomes.
The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing …
Jews are halfway between Arabs and Europeans genetically. Intellectually at IQ 84, the Arab is closer to the European than the Jew. Being on the other side of whites IQ-wise, the Jew has more in common with the European intellectually.
They figure by the time Muslims take over, if ever, they’ll be long dead by then, so they don’t care. “Apres moi, le deluge”. Politicians just want to hold on to their sinecures and their power, however limited.
I think you are right that in general, politicians want to hold on to their sinecures and power. However, the driving force behind the attitudes re: Muslims and immigration is perception of donor desires, how they themselves will be treated in the media, and I think to some extent their own views as shaped by the media etc.
The exception is with the leftist parties, who see Muslims as their constituents.Replies: @BB753
It would be fun to see western leftist political parties taken over by Muslims, the way it’s slowly happening in the UK with Labour, for instance.
I have said the same thing many times before, so temporarily yes, long term probably not. The media plus her friends/family are a constant influence in the other direction. Until our neighborhood becomes pozzed and it affects her personally, such is the status quo.
She takes my side in discussions with family but their side in discussions with me. Most women do not enjoy political discussions or thinking about politics. I think part of the reason the left has been successful with women is that it has pre-packaged its politics as doctrinal, good vs evil religious type emoting. Women don't enjoy political discussion but they had been the mainstays of church attendance.Replies: @dfordoom
The concept of a “discussion” – an exchange of views – is entirely foreign to most women. Only one point of view is permissible, and that’s their point of view, and it’s based entirely on emotion.
The Left holds no appeal to women. Leftism requires unemotional analysis. What is very popular with women is Social Justice and Globalism, which is pretty much the opposite of leftism. Social Justice/Globalism is a right-wing ideology candy-coated with lots of nice warm fuzzy feelings.
Women are 90% "educated" and still don't know shit about the world and how it works. How would they then understand politics? Their politics are all feelings-based, every bit. What was rational about Ashley Judd last week and yet, there were the White women in their Islamic headgear cheering Ashley Judd's psychotic rant against men like Judd was the Beatles of old. THESE are the scary ones. This is because Liberal Feminists, even the marrying kind, as still psycho. Look at them. They're out there all over the streets. They're mad-cap, batshit crazy, dressing like pussies on the one hand, Muslims on the other. How does anyone reconcile any of this? Ye Gawds..
If these women knew their husbands cancelled their feminist vote for Hillary with a man-vote for Trump, they'd geld the poor bastard, even assuming they haven't been in the virtual sense just being married to them. And there some of you are, ministering to your wives about the political dangers of the world. Again, fascinating..Replies: @Anonym, @BB753
Indeed, women are totally irrational. Talking politics with women is pointless and self-defeating, particularly female relatives by blood or law. You’d be better off discussing politics with your sons.
In the sense of the word Gentile as used by Jewish people you are right–all non-believers are considered to be Gentiles by Jewish people.
However, Muslims would not consider themselves to be Gentiles and have also used the term Gentile to describe the non-believer as well. In fact, the term can be found in the Quran.
So basically the term cannot really be applied to the Muslim correctly unless you feel comfortable applying a term to a group of people who would not accept that term as valid and use it themselves to describe the non-believer in THEIR faith.
And then there are the Mormons, to whom all non-Mormons are Gentiles.....
Perhaps we should just scrap the word?Replies: @lavoisier
“Newsweek IS fake news, chum.”
Dear, entire publications are NOT false news. Are you that ignorant? One has to properly vet each and every story, cross reference facts from several sources, and then come up with a conclusion regarding its overall accuracy. That’s how intelligent people operate.
In the end, that sort of media, they're all Jezabel to me. No difference between them could ever be ascertained.
“This current round is not America’s first experience with immigration. This circle was squared long ago with many generations of Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, etc. The proposition that America affords to immigrants is supposed to be a 2 way street – you accept American values and become a useful citizen and America will accept you as an American. America is much more than just the descendants of English settlers. The Constitution did not create a hereditary royalty consisting of the descendants of English settlers.”
Exactly.
“This deal was and is valid, but then Leftists decided that American values (meaning dead white male values) were deplorable and should not be accepted by anyone and this spoiled the deal.”
The deal was spoiled by those who insist that groups other than white and/or other than Christian are capable of becoming an American.
Exactly.
"This deal was and is valid, but then Leftists decided that American values (meaning dead white male values) were deplorable and should not be accepted by anyone and this spoiled the deal."
The deal was spoiled by those who insist that groups other than white and/or other than Christian are capable of becoming an American.Replies: @SPMoore8
No, the deal has been spoiled because there has been a lot written about immigrants from certain parts of the world — Latin America, and the Muslim world in particular — where the immigrants are not assimilating, even across generations. You can say that this stuff isn’t true, that second and third generation Latinos and Muslims are assimilating at the high rate that our ancestors did, but you should at least point to the refutations.
May NOT be assimilating. I would suspect that there are immigrants here that are all about the free stuff, similar to their European brethren from the late 1800's. I would imagine that first generation immigrants back then AND now clung on bitterly to their customs and values, while encouraging their children to fully immerse themselves into the American way of life.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/should-immigration-require-assimilation/406759/
On one hand, it would appear that assimilation is taking place rather quickly...
"A close evaluation of Hispanic acculturation data suggests there was scant reason to worry that their growing presence in the country would dilute America’s national identity or lead to cultural separatism. The 2000 Fairfax County survey of Salvadoran immigrants like Call found that while 83 percent had arrived in the United States with no English at all, most of their children by the time of the survey spoke English well enough to translate for them. In a 2007 article, four political scientists examined available data for Hispanic immigrants and found that they “acquire English and lose Spanish rapidly beginning with the second generation” and that their educational attainment and political attitudes suggest “a traditional pattern of political assimilation.” A scholar at the RAND Corporation, after comparing the trajectories of various ethnic groups in America, found that “education advances made by Latinos are actually greater than those achieved by either Europeans or Asian migrants,” meaning that as a group their educational attainment rose steadily from generation to generation. Hispanics were joining the American mainstream, just as previous immigrants had."
On the other hand, it would appear that our newcomers may hold different ideas about Americanism. Yet, to what extent had Europeans when they came here exhibited similar attitudes?
"A broader and more difficult question was whether immigrants who became American citizens would genuinely embrace the American ideology. The woman from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) who presided at the naturalization ceremony at Oakton High School told the assembled immigrants to cheer as their origin countries were announced, and then she encouraged them to applaud again and wave their flags when they officially became Americans, as if they had been reborn. She said they should speak English whenever they could, take part in elections, and otherwise fulfill their civic responsibilities, but she also told them they should feel free to continue speaking their native language, celebrate their own cultural backgrounds, and stay true to their own religions."
"You can say that this stuff isn’t true, that second and third generation Latinos and Muslims are assimilating at the high rate that our ancestors did, but you should at least point to the refutations."
Assuming that our ancestors did assimilate at a rapid pace. Diversity Heretic was of the notion that the Irish and Italians were notoriously slower, and in retrospect should have not been let in.
And, I'm sure those who are pro-immigrant and those who are anti-immigrant today each believe they are the authority on the matter. Sometimes I don't know what to believe since confirmation bias is something fierce these days. You know, with all of the False News Stories floating around and scientific studies being called into question for their validity.Replies: @SPMoore8
However, Muslims would not consider themselves to be Gentiles and have also used the term Gentile to describe the non-believer as well. In fact, the term can be found in the Quran.
So basically the term cannot really be applied to the Muslim correctly unless you feel comfortable applying a term to a group of people who would not accept that term as valid and use it themselves to describe the non-believer in THEIR faith.Replies: @syonredux
Well, if it comes to that, Christians have often used “Gentile” to describe non-Christians. E.g., Aquinas’ Summa contra Gentiles …..
And then there are the Mormons, to whom all non-Mormons are Gentiles…..
Perhaps we should just scrap the word?
I am not in favor of defining my own terms, but I think most people would understand that the term Gentile is generally applied to white people of European heritage who are non-Jewish. I doubt many would consider the Buddhists or the Hindus or the Bushmen of the Kalahari to be Gentiles.
But again, if you have a more useful term that would be generally understood, please share that with me.
Don’t be silly. Where does that leave the Muslim but Indo-European Iranians? And then there are the Christian Arabs…..
I wonder about edge cases like full blooded Mayan Guatemalan Nobel Laureate Rigoberta Menchú who learned to speak Spanish starting at the age of twenty (from Así Me Nació La Consciencia),Is she Hispanic? Probably not.Replies: @BB753, @syonredux
Does anybody count Joaquín Phoenix as Hispanic? He was born in Puerto Rico….
“No, the deal has been spoiled because there has been a lot written about immigrants from certain parts of the world — Latin America, and the Muslim world in particular — where the immigrants are not assimilating, even across generations.”
May NOT be assimilating. I would suspect that there are immigrants here that are all about the free stuff, similar to their European brethren from the late 1800’s. I would imagine that first generation immigrants back then AND now clung on bitterly to their customs and values, while encouraging their children to fully immerse themselves into the American way of life.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/should-immigration-require-assimilation/406759/
On one hand, it would appear that assimilation is taking place rather quickly…
“A close evaluation of Hispanic acculturation data suggests there was scant reason to worry that their growing presence in the country would dilute America’s national identity or lead to cultural separatism. The 2000 Fairfax County survey of Salvadoran immigrants like Call found that while 83 percent had arrived in the United States with no English at all, most of their children by the time of the survey spoke English well enough to translate for them. In a 2007 article, four political scientists examined available data for Hispanic immigrants and found that they “acquire English and lose Spanish rapidly beginning with the second generation” and that their educational attainment and political attitudes suggest “a traditional pattern of political assimilation.” A scholar at the RAND Corporation, after comparing the trajectories of various ethnic groups in America, found that “education advances made by Latinos are actually greater than those achieved by either Europeans or Asian migrants,” meaning that as a group their educational attainment rose steadily from generation to generation. Hispanics were joining the American mainstream, just as previous immigrants had.”
On the other hand, it would appear that our newcomers may hold different ideas about Americanism. Yet, to what extent had Europeans when they came here exhibited similar attitudes?
“A broader and more difficult question was whether immigrants who became American citizens would genuinely embrace the American ideology. The woman from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) who presided at the naturalization ceremony at Oakton High School told the assembled immigrants to cheer as their origin countries were announced, and then she encouraged them to applaud again and wave their flags when they officially became Americans, as if they had been reborn. She said they should speak English whenever they could, take part in elections, and otherwise fulfill their civic responsibilities, but she also told them they should feel free to continue speaking their native language, celebrate their own cultural backgrounds, and stay true to their own religions.”
“You can say that this stuff isn’t true, that second and third generation Latinos and Muslims are assimilating at the high rate that our ancestors did, but you should at least point to the refutations.”
Assuming that our ancestors did assimilate at a rapid pace. Diversity Heretic was of the notion that the Irish and Italians were notoriously slower, and in retrospect should have not been let in.
And, I’m sure those who are pro-immigrant and those who are anti-immigrant today each believe they are the authority on the matter. Sometimes I don’t know what to believe since confirmation bias is something fierce these days. You know, with all of the False News Stories floating around and scientific studies being called into question for their validity.
As I have said repeatedly, for me, immigration is not so much a matter of who, but how many, and whether or not assimilation is rapid. In the first place, I am concerned about population densities (because it is clear that most population growth will happen in a few select locations; we aren't going to have 20 million people living in South Dakota, ever) and secondly I am concerned about assimilation not only because "cultural diversity" can lead alternatively to violent clashes but also to a withdrawal from civil society, but because it can lead to actual separatism.
There are of course cultural issues involving nepotism, patronage, and subservience which to the Anglo-American POV appears as corruption, and these may affect our culture in the future as they may have affected it in the past. But we shouldn't encourage them. But that is altogether a separate issue, if the curve for assimilation is high, as your data suggests. On the other hand, the other data -- including our last several domestic terror attacks -- suggest the opposite.Replies: @Corvinus
May NOT be assimilating. I would suspect that there are immigrants here that are all about the free stuff, similar to their European brethren from the late 1800's. I would imagine that first generation immigrants back then AND now clung on bitterly to their customs and values, while encouraging their children to fully immerse themselves into the American way of life.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/should-immigration-require-assimilation/406759/
On one hand, it would appear that assimilation is taking place rather quickly...
"A close evaluation of Hispanic acculturation data suggests there was scant reason to worry that their growing presence in the country would dilute America’s national identity or lead to cultural separatism. The 2000 Fairfax County survey of Salvadoran immigrants like Call found that while 83 percent had arrived in the United States with no English at all, most of their children by the time of the survey spoke English well enough to translate for them. In a 2007 article, four political scientists examined available data for Hispanic immigrants and found that they “acquire English and lose Spanish rapidly beginning with the second generation” and that their educational attainment and political attitudes suggest “a traditional pattern of political assimilation.” A scholar at the RAND Corporation, after comparing the trajectories of various ethnic groups in America, found that “education advances made by Latinos are actually greater than those achieved by either Europeans or Asian migrants,” meaning that as a group their educational attainment rose steadily from generation to generation. Hispanics were joining the American mainstream, just as previous immigrants had."
On the other hand, it would appear that our newcomers may hold different ideas about Americanism. Yet, to what extent had Europeans when they came here exhibited similar attitudes?
"A broader and more difficult question was whether immigrants who became American citizens would genuinely embrace the American ideology. The woman from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) who presided at the naturalization ceremony at Oakton High School told the assembled immigrants to cheer as their origin countries were announced, and then she encouraged them to applaud again and wave their flags when they officially became Americans, as if they had been reborn. She said they should speak English whenever they could, take part in elections, and otherwise fulfill their civic responsibilities, but she also told them they should feel free to continue speaking their native language, celebrate their own cultural backgrounds, and stay true to their own religions."
"You can say that this stuff isn’t true, that second and third generation Latinos and Muslims are assimilating at the high rate that our ancestors did, but you should at least point to the refutations."
Assuming that our ancestors did assimilate at a rapid pace. Diversity Heretic was of the notion that the Irish and Italians were notoriously slower, and in retrospect should have not been let in.
And, I'm sure those who are pro-immigrant and those who are anti-immigrant today each believe they are the authority on the matter. Sometimes I don't know what to believe since confirmation bias is something fierce these days. You know, with all of the False News Stories floating around and scientific studies being called into question for their validity.Replies: @SPMoore8
Thanks for at least attempting to answer the question. In my own family, both parental families go back to the early 17th Century. However, starting around the middle of the 19th, they started marrying out. So we also have at least three identifiable groups of family who migrated from separate parts of Europe. I know from family tradition and/or personal acquaintance with the people involved that none of them were encouraged to maintain any linguistic or nationalist linkage to the Old Country. In fact, quite the contrary, because their parents wanted them to be Americans.
As I have said repeatedly, for me, immigration is not so much a matter of who, but how many, and whether or not assimilation is rapid. In the first place, I am concerned about population densities (because it is clear that most population growth will happen in a few select locations; we aren’t going to have 20 million people living in South Dakota, ever) and secondly I am concerned about assimilation not only because “cultural diversity” can lead alternatively to violent clashes but also to a withdrawal from civil society, but because it can lead to actual separatism.
There are of course cultural issues involving nepotism, patronage, and subservience which to the Anglo-American POV appears as corruption, and these may affect our culture in the future as they may have affected it in the past. But we shouldn’t encourage them. But that is altogether a separate issue, if the curve for assimilation is high, as your data suggests. On the other hand, the other data — including our last several domestic terror attacks — suggest the opposite.
And, similarly, immigrants from places other than Europe have generally shared in those sentiments.
"As I have said repeatedly, for me, immigration is not so much a matter of who, but how many, and whether or not assimilation is rapid."
I can get on board here. To me, rapid assimilation is within three generations.
https://www.nap.edu/read/4942/chapter/5#33
"In the first place, I am concerned about population densities (because it is clear that most population growth will happen in a few select locations; we aren’t going to have 20 million people living in South Dakota, ever)..."
Absolutely.
"and secondly I am concerned about assimilation not only because “cultural diversity” can lead alternatively to violent clashes but also to a withdrawal from civil society, but because it can lead to actual separatism."
Perpetual violent clashes and actual separatism stemming from those repeated acts of violence.
"But that is altogether a separate issue, if the curve for assimilation is high, as your data suggests. On the other hand, the other data — including our last several domestic terror attacks — suggest the opposite."
With those incidents of violence being rare occurrences and being committed by extremists who happened to be Muslims.
As I have said repeatedly, for me, immigration is not so much a matter of who, but how many, and whether or not assimilation is rapid. In the first place, I am concerned about population densities (because it is clear that most population growth will happen in a few select locations; we aren't going to have 20 million people living in South Dakota, ever) and secondly I am concerned about assimilation not only because "cultural diversity" can lead alternatively to violent clashes but also to a withdrawal from civil society, but because it can lead to actual separatism.
There are of course cultural issues involving nepotism, patronage, and subservience which to the Anglo-American POV appears as corruption, and these may affect our culture in the future as they may have affected it in the past. But we shouldn't encourage them. But that is altogether a separate issue, if the curve for assimilation is high, as your data suggests. On the other hand, the other data -- including our last several domestic terror attacks -- suggest the opposite.Replies: @Corvinus
“I know from family tradition and/or personal acquaintance with the people involved that none of them were encouraged to maintain any linguistic or nationalist linkage to the Old Country. In fact, quite the contrary, because their parents wanted them to be Americans.”
And, similarly, immigrants from places other than Europe have generally shared in those sentiments.
“As I have said repeatedly, for me, immigration is not so much a matter of who, but how many, and whether or not assimilation is rapid.”
I can get on board here. To me, rapid assimilation is within three generations.
https://www.nap.edu/read/4942/chapter/5#33
“In the first place, I am concerned about population densities (because it is clear that most population growth will happen in a few select locations; we aren’t going to have 20 million people living in South Dakota, ever)…”
Absolutely.
“and secondly I am concerned about assimilation not only because “cultural diversity” can lead alternatively to violent clashes but also to a withdrawal from civil society, but because it can lead to actual separatism.”
Perpetual violent clashes and actual separatism stemming from those repeated acts of violence.
“But that is altogether a separate issue, if the curve for assimilation is high, as your data suggests. On the other hand, the other data — including our last several domestic terror attacks — suggest the opposite.”
With those incidents of violence being rare occurrences and being committed by extremists who happened to be Muslims.
And then there are the Mormons, to whom all non-Mormons are Gentiles.....
Perhaps we should just scrap the word?Replies: @lavoisier
Could you suggest a more useful word than Gentile?
I am not in favor of defining my own terms, but I think most people would understand that the term Gentile is generally applied to white people of European heritage who are non-Jewish. I doubt many would consider the Buddhists or the Hindus or the Bushmen of the Kalahari to be Gentiles.
But again, if you have a more useful term that would be generally understood, please share that with me.
Dear, entire publications are NOT false news. Are you that ignorant? One has to properly vet each and every story, cross reference facts from several sources, and then come up with a conclusion regarding its overall accuracy. That's how intelligent people operate.Replies: @Jim Christian
Good take, Corv, but people thoughtful enough for all that aren’t reading Newsweek. People that read Newsweek wouldn’t know where to start. I see one sitting on the table at the Doc, dentist, or wherever and it’s no different to me than the patterns in the carpets. It’s there, but why waste time pondering Newsweek’s contents? Why contemplate the carpet? Not worth the attention span. I already know their take as surely as I know WashPost’s, NYTimes’ and all the rest.
In the end, that sort of media, they’re all Jezabel to me. No difference between them could ever be ascertained.