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From the New York Times opinion page:
The ‘Ethics’ of Trump’s Border Wall
By Joseph W. Tobin
Cardinal Tobin is the archbishop of Newark.A wall would cause harm to immigrants and refugees, all of whom are equal to us in the eyes of God.
But not in the eyes of the U.S. Constitution, which uses the word “citizen” eleven times.
Some highlights from the top rated “NYT Picks” comment:
Of course, most of the rest of the comments are the usual shitstorm, but this was a nice surprise.
Now? American civil scheduled passenger travel is one step from Con Air.
Is it really safer? Well, no. Except for El Al, I am reliably informed by special ops people I talk to that it is not substantially more secure on today's airlines than it was before 9/11. I have had more than one tell me that getting a handgun on a flight would "be no problem" for a "reasonably trained operator".
The purposefully ironic thing here (that's what governments can do - purposefully ironic things) is that if we had had better walls and serious exit checks and controls 17 1/2 years ago, per the Feral Gov't's own story, then we wouldn't need the walls around airports today that make the terminals into medium security prisons. Yes, look around, especially at a smaller terminal, with the one holding
cellarea for outgoing passengers, and badge-swiping/code-entering doors all over creation. You tell me that doesn't resemble a medium security prison... if you've been in one, that is ...https://youtu.be/zW6IeVNcV_Q
In this scene Raoul uses wreckless driving to get his attorney to the airport.
Tobin loves him some immigrants, especially young fit men who work in the theatre. Nighty-night, baby.
Ohhhhh … [/Tony Soprano exclamation], Steve Sailer bringing up muh Constitution! What’s next – dogs and cats living together?!
Nah, not at all, don’t climb it, and you won’t get cut by the concertina wire.
I’m really surprised, though, that the anti-religious NY Times puts so much stock in the words of a big man of the Catholic Church. They even like the so-called Pope now, I guess because he’s not one of those staunch anti-Communists that helped win the Cold War. Here’s More of the Papal Bull.
Or, maybe, it is just more empty signaling.
Suburban Dictionary:
Empty Signaling — a psychological condition causing educated, mostly well-off liberals to engage in emotional displays of compassion for select oppressed groups, with their public emotion matching few (if any) of their private actions.
* “Why is our congresswoman weeping on TV about mommies & babies separated at the border, when she lives in a 10,000 square ft. house with no rooms available to house illegal border crossers and their children, not even in her guest rooms or her ranch-house-sized bonus room?”
“It’s just a bunch of empty signaling.”
It is not proven that God has American citizenship, therefore his opinion is neither binding on nor relevant to the citizenship.
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/winston_churchill_111298
Of course, this became moot when Herod, Pilate, and the Sanhedrin kept tossing Him back and forth as a political hot potato whom nobody wanted.
Technically, of course, He is Lord of all, but lefties are remarkably good at forgetting that when it doesn't suit their purposes.
Sez who?
I’ve been taught that the US is unrelentingly evil and racist; thus we should not let anyone in to experience the horror.
Are walls on houses unethical? Walls around bank accounts? How about selective universities, which are kind of an arm of the government, are entirely exclusive. Is that immoral?
Well asked. I've been trying to promote the revolutionary slogan, "Open Borders, Open Bank Accounts!"
Well asked. I've been trying to promote the revolutionary slogan, "Open Borders, Open Bank Accounts!"
Hmm, it’s strange that the OpEd didn’t include the usual NYT disclaimers about how God is just a myth clung to by bitter flyover types. Weird.
Apparently at the NYT, God is just another socially constructed species like Snail Darters or that magically subdividing Salamander that appears and disappears as needed for political purposes.
Schrödinger’s Cat meet Sulzberger’s God.
… and Shasta’s Salamander.
The Catholics need to recapture the Church from these queers and SJWs. Responsible family men should no be supporting a hierarchy that’s facilitating genocide against them.
But this, of course, isn’t just a Catholic problem. All white Christians need to be working to oppose this SJW crap and take their churches back.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
They (homosexuals) have taken over the public educational system as well. We have yet to see the extent of the damage they will inflict.
I’m not a fan of Cardinal “Nighty-Night” Tobin in general or his immigration stance in particular. But applying religiously-influenced moral reasoning in public policy debates does not constitute “establishment of religion”. Not even close. If that line of thinking were applied systematically, it would make the US totally unrecognizable to the historic American nation- far more than it already is.
I guess harm to long term living standards for US citizens doesn’t factor in. We’re simply doing our Christian duty turning this country into a halfway house for foreign rabble.
This statement by the way is hooey. Not the God part–i don’t claim to know the mind of God, though my guess is he is not cheerleader for genociding white nations. (Catholics trying to reclaim their Church should make that point.)
But far from harming them, the Wall would be a huge boon to “immigrants and refugees”–especially poor immigrants and refugees. The flood of cheap labor is a particular problem precisely for the people it competes with the most–the least integrated, least skilled. As soon as a “refugee” gets his foot across the border a hard, impenetrable wall there is in his interest.
What Tobin means of course is the Wall is an impediment to future grifting refugees getting up here and latching onto the labor of the white men–like parasite Tobin has done.
Clergymen of all denominations are largely a distinct type. One character trait that goes unnoticed is how crazy they are for recognition and public approbation. They’re like schoolgirls in this regard. But this mania is more than balanced by an absolute terror of defamation. These qualities are especially concentrated in the ones who slide up the greasy pole of their vocation.
In public matters, they’re prone to parlay the “prestige” of their position to gain notice, but only in ways that are safely supportive of the prevailing narrative. We can be certain that the zeitgeist favors “compassion” for “refugees” if a Roman Catholic cardinal is arguing for it. Note that Cardinal Joseph’s article adds precisely nothing to the national discussion—except to give ammunition to the Left, which can now assert that *even* a Catholic cardinal says we should be opposed to a border wall.
The New York Times, which would ignore, lampoon, or denounce Roman Catholic ethical teaching on most public matters, is all too willing to facilitate a cardinal’s character weakness in one of its pet causes.
But this, of course, isn't just a Catholic problem. All white Christians need to be working to oppose this SJW crap and take their churches back.
I get the sense that Catholics who are aware of problems in the Church are akin to those of us who frequent this site and discuss daily the problems facing Western Civilization. The only encounters I’ve had with Catholics who were displeased with the direction of the Church were online. I’ve never heard a hint, from a priest or a pewsitter, that there were problems in the Church, with the exception of the sexual abuse issues.
It’s infuriating to see Catholic clergy willingly become pawns of the anti-religious Left. Yes, the Cardinal is correct — immigrants and refugees (i.e., Third World brown people) are “equal in the eyes of God,” but certainly not in the eyes of Man. This guy needs to re-read his New Testament — and his St. Augustine, too. Christianity spread by missionary proselytizing. If this guy is so concerned about Third World immigrants, he ought to leave his comfortable New Jersey diocese and go do missionary work in the Third World countries where they come from.
The Left isn’t for open borders because the believe that “immigrants are equal in the eyes of God” — they want open borders because they are subterranean communists (who would probably throw Christians in prison if they could) who want to flood this country with a black and brown lumpenproletariat that will outvote native-born American whites and create a permanent leftist majority in exchange for the government gibs.
The purpose of the Christian church is to transcend the political state and expose its corruption, not be a dupe for it’s Machiavellian political gambits.
“A wall itself is not immoral, but it can be constructed for an immoral purpose. President John F. Kennedy and President Ronald Reagan both resisted the Berlin Wall, which prevented millions in the Soviet Bloc from seeking freedom in the West. It eventually came down.”
I have little doubt that unlike the Berlin Wall, we would be happy to let illegal immigrants out of the country . . . in fact, we invite them to leave. And the US is more than happy to permit you to head to Mexico to improve the lives of Mexicans in the name of Jesus. Amen and amen.
In the mean time, Pastor (Cardinal) Tobin you might want to spend more time dealing with the walls coming down along the east coast that enable parents to murder their children in the womb, closer and closer to the child’s due date.
That is far more relevant than making false historical comparisons.
Apparently at the NYT, God is just another socially constructed species like Snail Darters or that magically subdividing Salamander that appears and disappears as needed for political purposes.
Schrödinger's Cat meet Sulzberger's God.
... and Shasta's Salamander.
Yes, odd that the NYT suddenly cares about a Catholic priest’s declarations about national policy based on what they think God would want, given how they and the leftists sought to remove mention of God elsewhere, and hate on Christians like its their job ( heck, for some it may well be).
Tobin loves his 30 pieces of silver
But this, of course, isn't just a Catholic problem. All white Christians need to be working to oppose this SJW crap and take their churches back.
christianity is a universalist creed it can not be uncucked it only served us when we were geographically isolated from non whites the cuck accrued to other whites. Its slave morality as well its irrational as well. some of us have defended its development of rationalism, but it was developed to defend something totally irrational.It has to go its hopelessly cucked. further its dysgenic and its asserts a law above the law which is like an open invitation to entryists who want to overthrow the state.the culture and the state need to be based on reality and that means the interests of he biology it serves in our case whites generally or some specific subgroup.
“archbishop of Newark”: Roman Catholic Archbishop, presumably?
Who in God’s name would pay heed to him or his like?
Theologically incorrect as well – the Bible says no such thing.
The Apostles are not Jesus’s equal. Saints are not the Apostle’s equal. The blessed are not the Saints equals.
And the damned are most assuredly not equal to the saved.
And seeing as how those “immigrants” are migrating as a direct result of having outbred their food supply, letting them come here to repeat the process seems…… inadvisable.
We just have nicer stuff than they do, and a nicer country because we built it that way --- and they want it, and they are too stupid to make nice stuff of their own. It's a lot easier to sneak into somebody else's already-built country than it is to fix up your own.
Besides, it appears to be a universal human constant that, other things being equal, non-Whites would really just prefer to live around White people.
The Cardinal, in his obscene moral vanity, is not only advocating theft but committing it himself. In giving away social capital which is not his to give, he is committing theft. Social capital does not grow on trees, and it is not a magic self-filling cookie jar. He is stealing from the "common wealth" to give things which are not his to give, to people who have no moral claim to them.
Jesus did not say, "If he asks for your cell phone, give him your children's future as well."
The only equality in either heaven or earth is that shared by the Three Persons of the Holy and Undivided Trinity - and even that is a mystery.
But this, of course, isn't just a Catholic problem. All white Christians need to be working to oppose this SJW crap and take their churches back.
It will be amusing when the next Pope is elected. This guy is the favourite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
Call it the Obama Effect ... the Fourth Great Awakening ... the nascent Global Socialist Utopia that has been in the works since 1917. It would be flagellation and penance for subjecting the world to 2,000 years of white supremacist, racist, capitalist, patriarchal oppression. Yes, the Bible and the Catholic tradition of basing its theology on the Natural Law get in the way, but these can be easily trivialized and ignored. The progressive trivialization of the US Constitution provides a model.
Who cares what dead white men thought or wrote in our new intersectional world populated by oppressed POC and women demanding universal justice, equality of outcomes, and reparations?
Another predator cardinal speaks. Nighty-night baby indeed.
https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/tobin-tarmac-tweet-raises-eyebrows
What happened to, “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar’s, and unto God the things which be God’s.”
If he’s gonna take his marching orders from God, shouldn’t it be the King James’ Bible, not the supremist views of Mohammed’s Koran.
Apparently at the NYT, God is just another socially constructed species like Snail Darters or that magically subdividing Salamander that appears and disappears as needed for political purposes.
Schrödinger's Cat meet Sulzberger's God.
... and Shasta's Salamander.
And Shariah’s snake…or is that snake oil salesman…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
He has my vote!
The Bishop is filled with feces. Where he states that people in the U.S. ask for asylum or refugee status, he sneakily avoids the issue as to how they gained entry. If through a port of entry, they may ask for whatever and a judge decides their fate. Those who sneak in are illegal and should have not standing to claim anything as they are in a state of legal sin which first must be forgiven before receiving something. That forgiveness means return home and get in line with the millions of others.
Bishops lie all the time nowadays and I don’t any of them especially the Bishop of Rome.
Catholic Ruling Class Scum Wear Funny Hats And Push Nation-Wrecking Mass Immigration.
Pope Tango Can Go Straight To Hell!
I love you regular Catholics! Ruling Class Catholics are demonic treason rats.
Tweet from 2014:
Tweet from 2015:
In the not to distant future most Americans will recognize that open border / invite the world policies were complicit in the destruction of our nation. When that happens, the people will turn against the neo-babelists: clerics, corporatists, globalists, and a whole swath of leftists.
Travellers advisory (OT): Barrow Alaska is now known as Utqiagvik.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utqiagvik,_Alaska
I'm still going to call it Barrow. And the mountain is McKinley.
“all of whom are equal to us in the eyes of God”
Nietzsche was right.
I agree. I may not be a Catholic but I can see the sense in having a Pope who is.
Why? Because the Trump Taliban would push it over on them?
They shouldn’t be standing so close!
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/16/world/execution-by-taliban-crushed-under-wall.html
(That was 20 years ago! How time flies when bricks fall.)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
Wow. He sure looks different from when he was with the Monkees fifty years ago. Too much time in the booth.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utqiagvik,_Alaska
No need to go that far, anyway. Green Bay was colder this week. And the cheese curds are cheaper.
As I recall, a famous saint named Joan of Arc thought borders were pretty important.
Back then, the differences between Norman Frenchmen from north of the Channel and Norman Frenchmen from south of the Channel were big enough to start a Catholic Holy War.
Saint Joan, Ora pro nobis!
A wall does not “cause” harm. An immigrant or refugee might suffer physical harm if trying to illegally cross or breach the wall. They might suffer psychological harm by not getting a taste of the American way of life, but then again, what are they doing to improve their lives at home rather than sitting around and dreaming they can live on our dime? IOW, we’re not “harming” anyone by building a wall, they are causing their own harm.
The Cardinal needs to re-check his Bible, because there are plenty of stories about effective immigration control that did not offend God.
Since the progressives have determined that a wall is hateful, racist, and immoral, do they suggest we remove those fairly lengthy and quite effective sections of wall that already exist? Why should they be allowed to stand?
But this, of course, isn't just a Catholic problem. All white Christians need to be working to oppose this SJW crap and take their churches back.
“The Catholics need to recapture the Church from these queers and SJWs.”
They (homosexuals) have taken over the public educational system as well. We have yet to see the extent of the damage they will inflict.
And it will only continue to get worse.
https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/city-pays-exiled-teachers-to-snooze-as-rubber-rooms-return/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
Why? Is that part of the plan?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utqiagvik,_Alaska
The Apostles are not Jesus's equal. Saints are not the Apostle's equal. The blessed are not the Saints equals.
And the damned are most assuredly not equal to the saved.
And seeing as how those "immigrants" are migrating as a direct result of having outbred their food supply, letting them come here to repeat the process seems...... inadvisable.
They have not “out bred their food supply.” There are no starving Mexicans or Hondurans. Take a look at these obese little creatures in Disney T-shirts. Poor is relative here, and starving is out of the question. Besides, if all they needed was food we could just ship it to them. Christian duty done and dusted.
We just have nicer stuff than they do, and a nicer country because we built it that way — and they want it, and they are too stupid to make nice stuff of their own. It’s a lot easier to sneak into somebody else’s already-built country than it is to fix up your own.
Besides, it appears to be a universal human constant that, other things being equal, non-Whites would really just prefer to live around White people.
The Cardinal, in his obscene moral vanity, is not only advocating theft but committing it himself. In giving away social capital which is not his to give, he is committing theft. Social capital does not grow on trees, and it is not a magic self-filling cookie jar. He is stealing from the “common wealth” to give things which are not his to give, to people who have no moral claim to them.
Jesus did not say, “If he asks for your cell phone, give him your children’s future as well.”
Isn’t Vatican City famous for its wall?
Pelosi: “Who we are” means “Who we aren’t, currently.”
Popeye: “I yam what I yam.”
“Are walls on houses unethical? Walls around bank accounts? How about selective universities, which are kind of an arm of the government, are entirely exclusive. Is that immoral?”
Well asked. I’ve been trying to promote the revolutionary slogan, “Open Borders, Open Bank Accounts!”
“Are walls on houses unethical? Walls around bank accounts? How about selective universities, which are kind of an arm of the government, are entirely exclusive. Is that immoral?”
Well asked. I’ve been trying to promote the revolutionary slogan, “Open Borders, Open Bank Accounts!”
Nothing compared to the 32,000+ Americans murdered by illegal criminal aliens in the last 40 years
Page 26 plus 32
https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/693162.pdf
But far from harming them, the Wall would be a huge boon to "immigrants and refugees"--especially poor immigrants and refugees. The flood of cheap labor is a particular problem precisely for the people it competes with the most--the least integrated, least skilled. As soon as a "refugee" gets his foot across the border a hard, impenetrable wall there is in his interest.
What Tobin means of course is the Wall is an impediment to future grifting refugees getting up here and latching onto the labor of the white men--like parasite Tobin has done.
If you look at the large-picture spreadsheets, Dad, the big-ticket grift isn’t done by the “refugees” but by their traffickers. And the red- and fish- hats and backwards-collar types behind them (including but not limited to “religious VOLAGs”). And the banksters and employers who fund it all. And the politicians who work their will out of fear of having their own grift careers disrupted. And the “social work” and “education” majors who can’t find jobs anywhere else because frankly they are surplus humans themselves, or just lazy, or looking to construct themselves as Saviors in others’ (and their own) eyes.
The “refugees” are pawns chosen precisely for their stupidity and sometimes their primitive jungle smarts. They pose absolutely no threat to the established figures who traffick them. Quite the contrary. Their needs, like their numbers, are ever escalating.
But as I’ve said for lo these many moons, Dolt Wrangling is an extremely lucrative profession. There’s gold in them thar Huddled Masses.
Add 24/7 globohomo social media to the mix, and the virtue/vanity signaling grifters can have an absolute field day securing their narcissistic supply as well. Though it appears some, like Cardinal Nighty Night Baby, prefer a more traditional media approach to justifying and expostulating upon their People Trafficking.
Though on the other hand, it's still pretty nice to get free housing, free health care, free schooling, and so on and on. And a bit of a stipend on top of that too. I guess the ticket cost is not so bad then, especially if you can fetch a few dozen of your very closest family later on.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utqiagvik,_Alaska
Typical.
I’m still going to call it Barrow. And the mountain is McKinley.
Lefties haven’t figured out that authority is not the same thing as position and an abused position loses its authority. A law professor who does not know basic facts about the Constitution, police who refuse to stop a riot or arrest a known problem child, intelligence operatives who ask you to believe that Saddam Hussein has magic powers, doctors who do everything they can to make drugs ineffective, banks that deliberately make unmakeable loans, a Christian who has nothing to say about war, slavery, or rape, but who does rush to support drug cartels and human traffickers — none of these things has any credibility at all. They might as well shut up. The Mighty Wurlitzer is a shrinking echo chamber.
The best part of the coming Chrysanthemum Walkabout will be the self-desanctified “churches” and the fake priests.
“IN THE NAME OF THE LILITU I CAST THEE OUT!”
Oh, ok. I just like his name.
I'm still going to call it Barrow. And the mountain is McKinley.
No word yet if the townspeople of Ukyukville (or whatever it is) plan to banish, along with the name Barrow, other colonial imports such as electricity and the internal combustion engine.
I’m floored that you resisted the urge to list anagrams of his name.
I hate to say it, but Christianity’s universalism, which was once its great strength (allowing it to spread all over the world) is now turning into its Achilles Heel.
Steve, please fix the title. “Trivial” what?? There’s a word missing.
It's hard to catch because you already know what you meant, and often times it reads pretty clearly anyway. I didn't even see Steve's mistake. My brain read right through it and put in the correct form.
Editors are good. But then we wouldn't have the fast turnaround and active discussion. I'll take the later.
They are only “immigrants” if they can get through the wall first. Checkmate! your holiness.
But I guess we should emulate the degree of inclusion used by the Church in accepting outsiders into the population of the Vatican state. After all, that must embody the highest moral teachings of Christ.
Being lectured on politics by Catholic clergy reminds me why we have separation of Church and State, and also why we had a Reformation. Also, [Insert child molesting joke here].
The Church had been separated from the state before that-- by the Alps. That's why hard-core Papists are called ultramontane.
But I guess we should emulate the degree of inclusion used by the Church in accepting outsiders into the population of the Vatican state. After all, that must embody the highest moral teachings of Christ.Being lectured on politics by Catholic clergy reminds me why we have separation of Church and State, and also why we had a Reformation. Also, [Insert child molesting joke here].
Er, that’s contradictory. The Reformation pretty much handed the church over to the state. Or crown, more specifically.
The Church had been separated from the state before that– by the Alps. That’s why hard-core Papists are called ultramontane.
So the cardinal is under the opinion that the wall is effective then? I mean how could an ineffective wall be immoral after all?
But can you get polar bear testicles as a pizza topping in Green Bay?
I think the Canadians are ahead of us in the mad project to replace easy-to-remember/spell/pronounce names with Inuit names that are none of the above. Among others, Frobisher Bay became Iqaluit, Port Harrison became Inukjuak, and Fort Chimo became Kuujjuaq.
Some years ago, Steve wrote about how such renamings nullify useful information that we picked up as kids (especially nerdy kids that liked learning such things). I think Steve’s examples were the Bushmen and the Hottentots. And I’ll add, Chinese cities after it was decided that Pin-yin was better for us.
It’s not like I’m incapable of learning new things, but it seems wasteful to make me learn new names for things I already knew, when I could be learning genuinely new things.
It's quite a bit O/T, but since you mention the wasted time learning these names, I can tell you where this really hits home for me: computer software. You keep getting forced to get new versions of programs that you know how to use, and then things are all switched around in the new version. This pisses me off to no end. Software is supposed to be used as tools, to help one get a job done. I never had a table saw change overnight to where I had to learn new buttons and new ways to change a blade.
Pizza Hut didn't last much longer there, but PP moved only in the last few years to very Asian (and very uncollegiate) University Avenue. Makes you wonder about the cosmetics sold along that strip.
Aborted fetus cells used in beauty creams
CIVILIZED BARBARISM: China’s Abortions and Your Face Cream
The beauty products from the skin of executed Chinese prisoners
Yes, nice response, and let me add that folks coming in from other lands over the water or ON the water require ID in the form of passports. I don’t know why POTUS or Steve Miller hasn’t harped on these points.
The Apostles are not Jesus's equal. Saints are not the Apostle's equal. The blessed are not the Saints equals.
And the damned are most assuredly not equal to the saved.
And seeing as how those "immigrants" are migrating as a direct result of having outbred their food supply, letting them come here to repeat the process seems...... inadvisable.
Amen.
The only equality in either heaven or earth is that shared by the Three Persons of the Holy and Undivided Trinity – and even that is a mystery.
Don’t put it past progressives to next tell you you’re being racist by locking your doors.
I would be able to take Cardinal Tobins’ comment more seriously if the wall around Vatican City was torn down as as gesture of your sincerity about how harmful they are.
Cardinal Tobin is part of the McCarrick circle and so almost certainly gay and almost as likely a pederast.
Many white pederasts love brown and black skinned boys, just as black and brown males love top rape whites.
This is very true, but i’m not sure it’s Christianity that’s the 2nd “its”, more like the West that’s in crisis.
What i’ve said in discussions on this topic is that Christian universalism in de-tribalizing the West and establishing higher “trust at scale” enabled the successful emergence of the powerful cohesive nation-states and in turn fostered the ability to generate industrial development. Both–trusting cohesive nations and industry–generating the great rise of the West.
This process was complex and multi-faceted, including the moral teachings, the shared worship but also things like the ban on cousin marriage. The result was a distinctly different personality profile of Western man and the creation of societies with more trust, more “neighborliness” that allowed the West to excel.
But now we have “Christians” who are really just SJW goons, hectically virtue signalling by turning the universalism of the Christian faith into some sort idolatry of the other and jamming them all into the West. Really it is idolatry of themselves and their “virtue”–hey look how wonder i am standing up for “refugees” against my evil neighbors (i.e. who just want to live their lives in their own nation).
I'm really surprised, though, that the anti-religious NY Times puts so much stock in the words of a big man of the Catholic Church. They even like the so-called Pope now, I guess because he's not one of those staunch anti-Communists that helped win the Cold War. Here's More of the Papal Bull.
Maybe, NYT employees bow down to the publication’s owners, including Mr. Slim, who might very well be a Catholic citizen of Mexico with a worldly interest in redistributing the financial burden of Mexico’s poor.
Or, maybe, it is just more empty signaling.
Suburban Dictionary:
Empty Signaling — a psychological condition causing educated, mostly well-off liberals to engage in emotional displays of compassion for select oppressed groups, with their public emotion matching few (if any) of their private actions.
* “Why is our congresswoman weeping on TV about mommies & babies separated at the border, when she lives in a 10,000 square ft. house with no rooms available to house illegal border crossers and their children, not even in her guest rooms or her ranch-house-sized bonus room?”
“It’s just a bunch of empty signaling.”
I find i do a lot of that. Sometimes it’s because i’ve thought about writing something a couple of different ways, so even after i finally take one approach, my brain still has the say the adjective form in cache, even though i now need the noun form. Sometimes i think it’s simpler, just say “trivia” sent, but the neurons in the “typing module” that know how to type words, find “trivial” because it’s used more and send the neural impulses to type that. And, of course, sometimes i’ve written something and back up and do something different but don’t get everything fixed up.
It’s hard to catch because you already know what you meant, and often times it reads pretty clearly anyway. I didn’t even see Steve’s mistake. My brain read right through it and put in the correct form.
Editors are good. But then we wouldn’t have the fast turnaround and active discussion. I’ll take the later.
Who in God's name would pay heed to him or his like?
I’m not a Catholic, but I don’t think this guy is just in charge of Catholicism in Newark. He is an archbishop that happens to hold his office in Newark … if that’s possible … I don’t know where you’d locate a Church there … probably gonna need some concertina wire to keep that heating unit in one piece … copper is up … polar vortex coming …
Cardinal Tobin should get his own house in order before lecturing the rest of us on morality. Focus on dealing with their pandemic of homosexual priests and the never-ending institutional cover-ups.
“On August 17, 2018 the Catholic News Agency reported that six Newark priests alleged experience of sexual misconduct by two priests in seminary and ministry in the archdiocese. Tobin responded with a letter to the priests of Newark on the same day, saying that he had been unaware of the issue. He concluded the letter by encouraging priests to refer media inquiries to the archdiocesan director of communications, rather than speak to journalists.”
Teach your children: Diocletian did nothing wrong.
OT: Our President, Donald J. Trump, has stated that he is prepared to use his powers in a national emergency to get the wall built.
Now this:
Senior DOD Official: Three Migrant Caravans Headed to U.S., One with 12,000
I’m calling it an emergency. How about you?
The Bishop of the Diocese of Buffalo, Richard Malone, agreed to put his 11,000 square foot residence up for sale to pay compensation to the victims of sexual abuse by diocesan priests. Malone is currently having the former convent at St Stanislaus Church remodeled for his new residence. So far the diocese has spent in excess of $200K to remodel the building that formerly held 35 nuns. The Bishop mentioned that the building would serve solely as his private residence and even the chapel could not be used by the parish. Malone was quoted as saying…”I treasure my privacy.” These men in the Church hierarchy are an affront to the Church.
Christianity’s universalism is supposed to apply to people who, from any starting point, come to the Church. Just like how the American dream is supposed to be about assimilating.
Thus conversion to Judaism is like America's old-time immigration and naturalization policy. Conversion to Christianity is like our come-one-come-all policy today.
Tobin’s argument is a remarkably mushy, cliched version of that olde-time liberal Christian classic, i.e. immantizing the eschaton, i.e. assuming we sinful humans can create on earth, in our time, by our own efforts, that which God has only promised us at the full coming of his kingdom in eternity.
The biblical (especially New Testament) stance on nations/national government is not always explicit, because for Jesus, as well as for St Paul and the other leaders of the early church, concern with wordly politicking was secondary, or even tertiary. Jesus stated bluntly that ‘My kingdom is not of this world’, and admonished his disciples when they tried to persuade him to lead a liberation movement against the Romans. The early Christians were on fire with the Holy Spirit, and therefore consumed with the business of building a kingdom that transcended the quotidian day-to-day politics of the Roman empire.
What’s especially interesting in the context of today’s globalism/open borders mania is St John’s vision in his Revelation. In Chapter 21, as John looks upon the new heaven and new earth, he sees the New Jerusalem descending. In verses 24-26, we see that in that city that “. . . the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it . . . . They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations.”
So in eternity, the identities of the nations of the earth are not only maintained, the nations bring before the throne of God their glory and honor — indicating that they are diverse, in the original sense of the word, and that this diversity is pleasing in God’s sight.
Nowhere is there an indication that the peoples of earth have merged themselves into one; their unity is in their equal worth in God’s eyes, and their all being welcomed into a covenant relationship with him.
The urge to merge, as it were, is not new. One of the oldest stories in the Bible, the Tower of Babel, teaches us the consequences of the peoples of the world joining together in overweening pride to try to reach to heaven by their own power. Most of today’s heretical ‘social justice’ movements, such as open borders, are mere simulacra of Babel.
Archbishop Tobin should know all of this, but he’s obviously one of many Christian clergy who are more interested in pleasing earthly masters than in doing God’s work.
I do hope the NY Times writer doesn’t lock his front door. Keeping out the poor and homeless (and the just plain larcenous ) is simply WRONG, because these people are created equal in the eyes of God.
And because ITS NOT WHO WE ARE-
Jericho!
All men are brothers in one sense, but membership of the human race is not necessarily a qualification in matters of work permits, residency permits, visas, passports, and citizenship, which are all more or less modern creations, although in classical times proof of Roman citizenship certainly conferred many privileges, such as having the right not to be a slave.
One day a gorilla escaped from the zoo, and was found a few days later in the city library where zoo officials found him sitting at a desk in the reading room with two books the Bible and The Origin of Species open in front of him.
The zoo keepers asked the gorilla what he was doing. The gorilla replied: “I’m trying to figure out whether I am my brother’s keeper or my keeper’s brother.”
This story is almost certainly fictional, as the keepers do not seem to be surprised that the gorilla can ape humans in such activities as reading books and speaking English. (The vast majority of humans can do neither.)
Why is this cardinal being flippant about ethics, putting it in quotes?
If you want to discuss the ethics of the Wall, do so. Don’t joke about it, Father Sardonic.
You did mean this guy below, right? Honestly, I'll take his advice over this Cardinal Tobin's any day of the week... well, I guess on Sundays in particular. Who's higher anyway, a Cardinal or a Father?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tdboz-tsQk
Or, maybe, it is just more empty signaling.
Suburban Dictionary:
Empty Signaling — a psychological condition causing educated, mostly well-off liberals to engage in emotional displays of compassion for select oppressed groups, with their public emotion matching few (if any) of their private actions.
* “Why is our congresswoman weeping on TV about mommies & babies separated at the border, when she lives in a 10,000 square ft. house with no rooms available to house illegal border crossers and their children, not even in her guest rooms or her ranch-house-sized bonus room?”
“It’s just a bunch of empty signaling.”
I agree. Both possibilities are likely. No, I was not really surprised about the NY Times’ strange new respect for Big-Catholicism. That was part of my sarcasm.
It's hard to catch because you already know what you meant, and often times it reads pretty clearly anyway. I didn't even see Steve's mistake. My brain read right through it and put in the correct form.
Editors are good. But then we wouldn't have the fast turnaround and active discussion. I'll take the later.
You mean “the latter”. Heh, I didn’t catch Steve’s error, but maybe it was already fixed when I read it. It’s still in the URL though, cause changing that would cause more trouble than it’s worth. I’ve seen URL names that I could tell were the old working titles (kinda interesting).
If you want to discuss the ethics of the Wall, do so. Don't joke about it, Father Sardonic.
FIFY.
You did mean this guy below, right? Honestly, I’ll take his advice over this Cardinal Tobin’s any day of the week… well, I guess on Sundays in particular. Who’s higher anyway, a Cardinal or a Father?
Related:
https://youtu.be/w556vrpsy4w
https://catholiccitizens.org/issues/church-state-relations/83267/catholic-priest-denies-communion-to-pro-abortion-politician-after-he-voted-for-abortions/
A Catholic priest in Ireland recently denied Holy Communion to a legislator who voted for abortion. When is the last time Mr. Tobin or some other senior American cleric showed the same willingness to stand up to the liberal establishment?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utqiagvik,_Alaska
They can call it whatever they want, but oil is still oil.
(Or maybe the Eskimos, excuse me Inuits, excuse me First Nations Bank, or Spirits Community people, have 100 different words for oil.)
Yes, it is the evil plan to have a conservative Pope who is also the first Sub-Saharan African one, that way the progressives won’t know if they’re being racist or not when inevitably they want to criticise him.
I agree completely, IJ, but, though it sounds just too petty to most, just use the old names. I still speak of Peking, and if people are really confused, I’ll just add “or whatever they’re calling it now.”
It’s quite a bit O/T, but since you mention the wasted time learning these names, I can tell you where this really hits home for me: computer software. You keep getting forced to get new versions of programs that you know how to use, and then things are all switched around in the new version. This pisses me off to no end. Software is supposed to be used as tools, to help one get a job done. I never had a table saw change overnight to where I had to learn new buttons and new ways to change a blade.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4715215922http://pchs1971.com/images/Chink&Chinklet.jpg
I wondered that too. Why do we have to show passports and be asked questions like where do we work or why did you go to a country?
Well, if it fills the pews, who are we to object? /s
You did mean this guy below, right? Honestly, I'll take his advice over this Cardinal Tobin's any day of the week... well, I guess on Sundays in particular. Who's higher anyway, a Cardinal or a Father?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tdboz-tsQk
But we’re from a previous generation (or generations, in my case). Try explaining the Bassomatic ’76 skit (https://youtu.be/2HKTx5WFcs0) to a millenial. That’s right, the whole bass…
Related:
1510 Commandments)Yeah, you try to explain the Bassomatic to the young people today .... they won't believe you .... nope ...
On my clip, I think the Father's name was Guido Sarducci, not Sarduccio, BTW. I messed that up.
A social-activist nun I was once interviewing declared, “Jesus didn’t believe in borders.” So I guess that settles it.
You did mean this guy below, right? Honestly, I'll take his advice over this Cardinal Tobin's any day of the week... well, I guess on Sundays in particular. Who's higher anyway, a Cardinal or a Father?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tdboz-tsQk
You can call any priest “Father,” I think, including Cardinals, who are also addressed as “Your Excellency,” or something like that. Mere fathers are far below cardinals.
The Roman Catholic Church is the only true pure republic in the world today. All important matters of faith and morals and all major financial decisions are made by the Pope and the College of Cardinals. Cardinals are appointed by the Pope and when one dies or resigns (the latter having happened only once in hundreds of years) the Cardinals pick the Pope. It is zero democracy, one hundred percent republic. The laity, the priests, even the bishops and archbishops who aren't Cardinals, have nothing to say about anything.
(The Mormon governance is similarly ademocratic, but not as pure as the Catholic version, and is even more of a gerontocracy, as the current head of church is proving to show a liability. It does have the advantage of not being as ponderous, however. )
I quit the RCC years ago but I have to say I have more respect for the RCC, and for the Orthodox churches, than I do for most mainline and many evangelical Protestant denominations. The current Pope is an idiot, as have many over the years have been, but the church survived the Borgias and probably will survive the present one as well.
Probably not, but there is always Hmong sausage, the world’s longest.
Sounds like backdoor immigration control to me. Not that people are rushing to Nunavut.
It's quite a bit O/T, but since you mention the wasted time learning these names, I can tell you where this really hits home for me: computer software. You keep getting forced to get new versions of programs that you know how to use, and then things are all switched around in the new version. This pisses me off to no end. Software is supposed to be used as tools, to help one get a job done. I never had a table saw change overnight to where I had to learn new buttons and new ways to change a blade.
I say Peking, too. If anyone objects, I’ll explain that I just can’t pronounce the Mandarin. Can’t get the tones right.
If you want to be reactionary, you could say Peiping, or even Pekin.
The eponymous city in Illinois had, until 1980, the best high-school mascot in America:
Whom is benefited by Christianity spreading all over the world?
Some from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, whom Christ redeemed and are regenerated and brought to faith by the Holy Spirit, and are thus graced with all of the benefits of eternal salvation, unto the glory of God.
When I was a teenager I could walk around Lambert Field’s terminals, counters, and whatnot and watch the planes from the gate seating areas if I wanted. Never got bothered. The same was largely true of Midway and O’Hare: I wound up there with family and you could make half a day of it, it was almost as good as the MSI or the Shedd Aquarium or Adler Planetarium. The airlines would give you swag by the handful for asking, everything from soap to pencils and pens to route schedules. Even Hertz was always good for peppermint candies and whatnot. The women who worked the counter wore stewardess uniforms made in yellow and black, same cut as the airlines’ and from the same vendor.
Now? American civil scheduled passenger travel is one step from Con Air.
Is it really safer? Well, no. Except for El Al, I am reliably informed by special ops people I talk to that it is not substantially more secure on today’s airlines than it was before 9/11. I have had more than one tell me that getting a handgun on a flight would “be no problem” for a “reasonably trained operator”.
Anyway, great post. I will write a bit more to jon in a sec., but yeah, what a wonderful time it was without the security theater. I will say, regarding the lavish service and freebies, the thing is that air travel now, is way way lower, maybe 25-30 % of what it cost in the 1980's even, in REAL dollars. The one thing that cannot hold up during cost-cutting is real people doing real service.
At one time there were lay Cardinals who were not priests, but that is a long time ago. Today they are all priests and functionally, all archbishops. Occasionally a theologian or some such who is a priest in an order will be named a Cardinal if he lives past 80 so he can’t vote in the conclave when popes are selected.
The Roman Catholic Church is the only true pure republic in the world today. All important matters of faith and morals and all major financial decisions are made by the Pope and the College of Cardinals. Cardinals are appointed by the Pope and when one dies or resigns (the latter having happened only once in hundreds of years) the Cardinals pick the Pope. It is zero democracy, one hundred percent republic. The laity, the priests, even the bishops and archbishops who aren’t Cardinals, have nothing to say about anything.
(The Mormon governance is similarly ademocratic, but not as pure as the Catholic version, and is even more of a gerontocracy, as the current head of church is proving to show a liability. It does have the advantage of not being as ponderous, however. )
I quit the RCC years ago but I have to say I have more respect for the RCC, and for the Orthodox churches, than I do for most mainline and many evangelical Protestant denominations. The current Pope is an idiot, as have many over the years have been, but the church survived the Borgias and probably will survive the present one as well.
Thus, they chose an Italian from outside Europe.
True, but it’s easy to become a Christian: a quick ritual and you’re in. In contrast, it’s difficult and time-consuming to become a Jew.
Thus conversion to Judaism is like America’s old-time immigration and naturalization policy. Conversion to Christianity is like our come-one-come-all policy today.
We should pray for an anti-Chavismo Churchill who would declare that, “If the Lebensraum for La Raza ‘refugees’ invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil.”
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/winston_churchill_111298
Arch-dumbass Tobin should know all of this, but Arch-dumbass Tobin, like the vast majority of Catholic clergymen, is a complete Scriptural illiterate. If Catholics had any sense of self-preservation, they would rid themselves of these useless turds.
I don’t think it’s common for clergymen to apply ‘religiously-influenced moral reasoning’ to much of anything. Outside of evangelical subcultures (which have their own problems), you don’t encounter much commentary on public affairs from clergymen which differs from what you might expect from any randomly-selected NGO functionary, bar some trumpery in the form of religious idiom. The Catholic Church in this country is in ruins six ways to Sunday. The bishops do not a blessed thing about it. Instead, we have a bishop’s conference (which is a complete 5th wheel in the realm of canon law) which employs 300 people and has a budget of $180 million, bloated chancery staffs, and bishops penning op-ed on matters of prudential judgment about which they know very little. They don’t have any visceral loyalty to their flock at all. The significance of the Covington mess was that all three Kentucky bishops threw those youths under the bus immediately; when it was revealed to be a hoax, only one of them offered a facially sincere apology (while another of the three doubled-down). Prior to 2013, you could at least look to the bishop of Rome. In Frankenchurch, one’s emotional equilibrium is dependent on paying no attention to anything the Pope says or does.
So you say. I say that these men–and thousands more like them–are the church, and further that they and it are corrupt to the core, and have always been. That people pretend that an enterprise principally dedicated to the rape of children maintains any kind of moral authority would be risible were it not so repellent.
Pederasty is still a sin on the books at the Vatican, but seems to have been expunged everywhere else. I'll take hypocrisy any day over changing the rules.
To take just one example, Jesus believed quite adamantly in a strong border between Church and State (“Render unto Caesar”) which principle, incidentally, our own constitutional tradition refers to as a Wall of Separation.
I'm really surprised, though, that the anti-religious NY Times puts so much stock in the words of a big man of the Catholic Church. They even like the so-called Pope now, I guess because he's not one of those staunch anti-Communists that helped win the Cold War. Here's More of the Papal Bull.
From all available evidence, Archbishop Tobin doesn’t much like the Catholic Church, either.
Cui bono?
Some from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, whom Christ redeemed and are regenerated and brought to faith by the Holy Spirit, and are thus graced with all of the benefits of eternal salvation, unto the glory of God.
Related:
https://youtu.be/w556vrpsy4w
LOL (on the
1510 Commandments)Yeah, you try to explain the Bassomatic to the young people today …. they won’t believe you …. nope …
On my clip, I think the Father’s name was Guido Sarducci, not Sarduccio, BTW. I messed that up.
My knowledge of the Bible is weak, but I don’t recall that he believed in nuns either.
-Matthew 19:12
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4715215922http://pchs1971.com/images/Chink&Chinklet.jpg
Oh, yeah, I like your explanation on the tones problem. I’ve said hello to a Chinese-looking lady in Chinese before. She seemed to take offense, probably because she was born here (understandable, I guess, but she should understand she still looks Chinese). “What, ‘Hello’, you mean?” “Oh, you really ought to learn just a little bit – if I can do it ….”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
Why doesn’t the Catholic Church go for a “threefer” next time and elect a black, female, married lesbian as Pope? The New York Times, Washington Post, the EU bureaucracy, and university academics would love it.
Call it the Obama Effect … the Fourth Great Awakening … the nascent Global Socialist Utopia that has been in the works since 1917. It would be flagellation and penance for subjecting the world to 2,000 years of white supremacist, racist, capitalist, patriarchal oppression. Yes, the Bible and the Catholic tradition of basing its theology on the Natural Law get in the way, but these can be easily trivialized and ignored. The progressive trivialization of the US Constitution provides a model.
Who cares what dead white men thought or wrote in our new intersectional world populated by oppressed POC and women demanding universal justice, equality of outcomes, and reparations?
Now? American civil scheduled passenger travel is one step from Con Air.
Is it really safer? Well, no. Except for El Al, I am reliably informed by special ops people I talk to that it is not substantially more secure on today's airlines than it was before 9/11. I have had more than one tell me that getting a handgun on a flight would "be no problem" for a "reasonably trained operator".
I wish I hadn’t just used up my AGREE, #420 (hey, how’d you get that number? You know what it means, right?).
Anyway, great post. I will write a bit more to jon in a sec., but yeah, what a wonderful time it was without the security theater. I will say, regarding the lavish service and freebies, the thing is that air travel now, is way way lower, maybe 25-30 % of what it cost in the 1980’s even, in REAL dollars. The one thing that cannot hold up during cost-cutting is real people doing real service.
I completely get that excerpted commenter’s point on walls vs. immigration/customs in keeping people out. However, much of what goes on in airports regarding control of Americans IN America is security theater, and I agree with your replier (Anonymous-#420) that it was a much better world in the past.
The purposefully ironic thing here (that’s what governments can do – purposefully ironic things) is that if we had had better walls and serious exit checks and controls 17 1/2 years ago, per the Feral Gov’t’s own story, then we wouldn’t need the walls around airports today that make the terminals into medium security prisons. Yes, look around, especially at a smaller terminal, with the one holding
cellarea for outgoing passengers, and badge-swiping/code-entering doors all over creation. You tell me that doesn’t resemble a medium security prison… if you’ve been in one, that is …The Times is either unfamiliar with Tobin’s love of handsome young adolescent boys, or think it’s a wonderful the Catholic Church is embracing the gay life. The people who used to be Catholics think otherwise. In fact those people suspect that the bishops’ first visceral reaction to the Covington mess was how they could perhaps meet up with those cute boys. Because of men like Tobin and his pervert mentor McCarrick, the American Church is being reduced to nothing more than some lovely but empty churches run by flaming queens trying to embrace leftists who hate them no matter what.
Jesus was a Galilean, directly governed by the Tetrarch, indirectly by Rome.
Of course, this became moot when Herod, Pilate, and the Sanhedrin kept tossing Him back and forth as a political hot potato whom nobody wanted.
Technically, of course, He is Lord of all, but lefties are remarkably good at forgetting that when it doesn’t suit their purposes.
Really, it’s a heresy in which whites gain salvation by their own death, rendering the Christ’s life and death meaningless.
Chardin impressed a lot of poorly-informed people by wearing two hats as both Catholic theologian and an evolutionary biologist; few bothered to noticed that he was terribly mediocre at both jobs.
This renaming thing — I’m having none of it.
I imagine the Carmichaels didn't. Not Hoagy's, anyway.
Yeah, have a look at a picture of those stuffed boats in the Med. Each head has paid a few thousand dollars for the trip.
Though on the other hand, it’s still pretty nice to get free housing, free health care, free schooling, and so on and on. And a bit of a stipend on top of that too. I guess the ticket cost is not so bad then, especially if you can fetch a few dozen of your very closest family later on.
The best part of the coming Chrysanthemum Walkabout will be the self-desanctified "churches" and the fake priests.
"IN THE NAME OF THE LILITU I CAST THEE OUT!"
Yes, but for a time you can burn the social capital invested in that position over the years. Then move on, I guess.
I never wasted my time reading more than brief excerpts of Teilhard de Chardin’s crackpot Catholic Scientology, but this sounds very similar to secondhand descriptions of some of his ideas. Amongst Catholic clergy, he was massively influential throughout the mid-20th century, especially so when the current crop of bishops were in seminary. I wouldn’t be shocked if his influence contributes considerably to this nonsense, though I haven’t sufficient patience for wading through his tedious, inane ramblings to prove the point.
Chardin impressed a lot of poorly-informed people by wearing two hats as both Catholic theologian and an evolutionary biologist; few bothered to noticed that he was terribly mediocre at both jobs.
Well, in the good old days (c.1972), they DID just that:
In this scene Raoul uses wreckless driving to get his attorney to the airport.
Twenty-five years ago, St Paul’s Planned Parenthood was a door or two down from Pizza Hut. I didn’t want to ask…
Pizza Hut didn’t last much longer there, but PP moved only in the last few years to very Asian (and very uncollegiate) University Avenue. Makes you wonder about the cosmetics sold along that strip.
Aborted fetus cells used in beauty creams
CIVILIZED BARBARISM: China’s Abortions and Your Face Cream
The beauty products from the skin of executed Chinese prisoners
On the other hand, do you want places with no whites to be using white people’s names? Did you really want Kwame Ture to go back to being Stokely Carmichael?
I imagine the Carmichaels didn’t. Not Hoagy’s, anyway.
The Italian north end was quite tolerable when I was there in the ’90s. Streetcars were removed from Minneapolis before I was born, and sold to Newark, which used them in that neighborhood until about 2000. Riding those PCCs was a fun boast to bring home to Minnesota.
Also, it’s home to Branch Brook Park. If you’re into springtime cherry blossoms, DC is the place to go for quality, but Newark blows them away on sheer quantity.
Ferry Street is a famous Portuguese node. Scruffy, but interesting. I noticed a lot of Spanish language invading the central district on a recent visit, but that seems to be mostly from self-sufficient white Andeans.
Another nice thing about Newark is the preservation of its CBD. The old, tall buildings are still standing, with little modern competition. Newark could be a killer gentrification project, from downtown north.
Get in on the ground floor, before Jersey City’s subcontinentals do!
Some from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, whom Christ redeemed and are regenerated and brought to faith by the Holy Spirit, and are thus graced with all of the benefits of eternal salvation, unto the glory of God.
Well said.
The Roman Catholic Church is the only true pure republic in the world today. All important matters of faith and morals and all major financial decisions are made by the Pope and the College of Cardinals. Cardinals are appointed by the Pope and when one dies or resigns (the latter having happened only once in hundreds of years) the Cardinals pick the Pope. It is zero democracy, one hundred percent republic. The laity, the priests, even the bishops and archbishops who aren't Cardinals, have nothing to say about anything.
(The Mormon governance is similarly ademocratic, but not as pure as the Catholic version, and is even more of a gerontocracy, as the current head of church is proving to show a liability. It does have the advantage of not being as ponderous, however. )
I quit the RCC years ago but I have to say I have more respect for the RCC, and for the Orthodox churches, than I do for most mainline and many evangelical Protestant denominations. The current Pope is an idiot, as have many over the years have been, but the church survived the Borgias and probably will survive the present one as well.
Speaking of Borgias, wasn’t Cesare the first Cardinal to quit? So he could go conquer Italy, or whatever?
I am reminded of the Sopranos, in which the wives at least took church seriously enough.
Trevor, Cradle Catholic, so I’m not going to leave the church, yet, but I can’t really argue that what you posted is wrong. Beyond sad.
Ha, ha. On second reading, I finally got the pun.
And this differs from the public schools, the psychiatric profession, the US, UK, Australian, Norwegian, and Swedish immigration authorities, the mainline and established Protestant churches, our forces in Afghanistan, the BBC, and the welfare state in general in that…?
Pederasty is still a sin on the books at the Vatican, but seems to have been expunged everywhere else. I’ll take hypocrisy any day over changing the rules.
The Roman Catholic Church is the only true pure republic in the world today. All important matters of faith and morals and all major financial decisions are made by the Pope and the College of Cardinals. Cardinals are appointed by the Pope and when one dies or resigns (the latter having happened only once in hundreds of years) the Cardinals pick the Pope. It is zero democracy, one hundred percent republic. The laity, the priests, even the bishops and archbishops who aren't Cardinals, have nothing to say about anything.
(The Mormon governance is similarly ademocratic, but not as pure as the Catholic version, and is even more of a gerontocracy, as the current head of church is proving to show a liability. It does have the advantage of not being as ponderous, however. )
I quit the RCC years ago but I have to say I have more respect for the RCC, and for the Orthodox churches, than I do for most mainline and many evangelical Protestant denominations. The current Pope is an idiot, as have many over the years have been, but the church survived the Borgias and probably will survive the present one as well.
That’s where compromise leads to. The Cardinals were split between those who wanted to return to Italians for the Papacy, and those who wanted to look outside Europe.
Thus, they chose an Italian from outside Europe.
They (homosexuals) have taken over the public educational system as well. We have yet to see the extent of the damage they will inflict.
You got that right. Randi Weingartner and the globohomolesbian public school teachers unions have corrupted and destroyed the lives of exponentially far more children than Catholic priests. Even the rubber rooms in NYC for public school pedophile teachers still exist today to continue its sad and perverted legacy of defending child abusers.
And it will only continue to get worse.
https://nypost.com/2016/01/17/city-pays-exiled-teachers-to-snooze-as-rubber-rooms-return/
I agree with Tobin that they are no different than us, and like us they have no to right to invade. While some may retort that “white people invaded”, my reply is that that is not exactly true. See people really didn’t come here to have slaves and kill Indians on their own private game reserves or something;
“Roger Williams (c. 21 December 1603 – between 27 January and 15 March 1683)[1] was a Puritan minister, theologian, and author who founded the Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations. He was a staunch advocate for religious freedom, separation of church and state, and fair dealings with American Indians, and he was one of the first abolitionists.[2][3]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Williams
“Consequently, in January 1636 Williams set out for Narragansett Bay, and in the spring, on land purchased from the Narragansett Indians, he founded the town of Providence and the colony of Rhode Island. Providence became a haven for Anabaptists, Quakers, and others whose beliefs were denied public expression.” https://www.britannica.com/biography/Roger-Williams-American-religious-leader
I think maybe the Catholic faith’s arrival that seems to have caused problems, not the original settlers. Certainly isn’t the Amish. So just where did all the problems start and with whose arrival?
” John Brown (1736-1803) was born in Providence, R.I., the fourth son of merchant James Brown II (1698-1739) and Hope (Power) Brown (1702-1792). He began his working life in partnership with his three brothers (Nicholas, Joseph and Moses) and his uncle as Obadiah Brown & Co., a mercantile firm that traded in rum, slaves, molasses and other goods. The firm was renamed Nicholas Brown & Co. after the death of Obadiah in 1762. This firm in turn dissolved in 1774, and John Brown went into business on his own account. He briefly took on his son-in-law, John Francis, as a partner in 1792, until Francis’ untimely death in 1796.
John Brown was among the leading American merchants and businessmen of his day. He remained active in the slave trade and in distilling rum. He was the first Rhode Island merchant to break into the lucrative trade with China by sending the General Washington to Canton in 1787. The ship was one of the first American vessels to arrive in China. Along with his uncle Moses Brown, he led the merchants in Providence to found the Providence Bank in the early 1790s. John was elected the first President of the bank in 1791. John Brown also came into possession in 1795 of 210,000 acres of land in the Adirondacks in New York State which he and his heirs spent considerable time and money trying to develop. His home on Power Street was described by John Quincy Adams as “the most magnificent and elegant private mansion I have ever seen on the continent.”
http://www.rihs.org/mssinv/Mss312.htm
Should be: “I treasure my piracy.”
Plus think of all those unaccompanied young male pubescent minors coming across the border, and of how much they could be helped if placed under the guidance of a caring, celibate priest.
Seriously, the Catholic Church is in the middle of its biggest scandal in…well, God knows how long. A scandal not because their priests slipped up – that happens in any organization – but a scandal because the hierarchy from top to bottom (lol) covered it up, probably because so many in the leadership were guilty, too. Yet they have the nerve to think they have the moral authority to tell the broader society how we should think on immigration.
Oh yeah, in the bible it tells you, “It’s the Nephilim”, or the children. See it’s not the first, it’s the offspring, or later generation.
“The Nephilim /ˈnɛfɪˌlɪm/ (Hebrew: נְפִילִים, nefilim) were the offspring of the “sons of God” and the “daughters of men” before the Deluge, according to Genesis 6:1-4.”
https://youtu.be/zW6IeVNcV_Q
In this scene Raoul uses wreckless driving to get his attorney to the airport.
Making a movie of “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” was a mistake because the funniest joke in the novel is that it’s all taking place in Hunter S. Thompson’s paranoid brain more than in real life.
Please note, I’m bashing the Church (hierarchy), not its members. I mean, I’d feel bad what with some of my best friends and all…
IKAGO. “Some of my best friends are catholics”
I always thought this was about the institutional RCC:
“For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.”
-Matthew 19:12
Just remember, we’re talkin’ ’bout all these people who are natchural conservatation voters. Natchural Republicans, with family values that climbs those walls, tunnels around them, and commits the acts of love to make anchor babies and overstay Visas!
Just ask mah baby brother Jeb!
‘cept ah think they should pay them Visa card bills.
Progressives are harder on black conservatives than white ones.
Well you shouldn’t be talking politics with women for one thing. Everything becomes much simpler once you start disregarding what women say about politics. As for her argument, what did Jesus think of all the Romans in his country?