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From a press release from the American Humanist Association:

American Humanist Association Board Statement Withdrawing Honor from Richard Dawkins

APRIL 19, 2021 FEATURED, NEWS

… Regrettably, Richard Dawkins has over the past several years accumulated a history of making statements that use the guise of scientific discourse to demean marginalized groups, an approach antithetical to humanist values. His latest statement implies that the identities of transgender individuals are fraudulent, while also simultaneously attacking Black identity as one that can be assumed when convenient. His subsequent attempts at clarification are inadequate and convey neither sensitivity nor sincerity.

Consequently, the AHA Board has concluded that Richard Dawkins is no longer deserving of being honored by the AHA, and has voted to withdraw, effective immediately, the 1996 Humanist of the Year award.

Richard Dawkins has had his 1996 Humanist [i.e., atheist] of the Year award canceled for his shocking lack of true faith in the intersectional verities. How dare he ask unholy questions like this to perplex the faithful?

The words of the prophets are written on the billboard walls:

 
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  1. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    Not to worry, there is still an organization that will welcome Dawkins with open arms!

  2. Polistra says:

    statements that use the guise of scientific discourse to demean marginalized groups

    It’s not Science if it makes some people feel bad. Because think about it: why would Science do a thing like that? Answer: it wouldn’t. And if it did, it wouldn’t be Science anymore.

  3. Fun fact: Richard Dawkins will still grovel to win the approval of Leftist academics and will keep mocking the white working class, as he has done for years.

    The sickness in these people is not cured by experience or logic.

  4. What about stripping him of his “Charles Simonyi professor of public understanding of science at Oxford (1995-2008)”?

    What about burning his books?

    Personally, I have no problem with that. If we ever get out from under the Woke dictatorship, we won’t need his shitty ideas anyway.

    • Agree: Liza, bomag, donut
  5. Atheist: noun, One who does not believe in God, but is still holier than thou.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Thanks: Abe
  6. Anonymous[266] • Disclaimer says:

    Capture the flag.

    • Thanks: Wade Hampton
  7. Neoconned says:

    The weird part about this in-sniping going on is…..i get the impression most of us are too busy working & sleeping to watch as the various conquerer groups…..Islam in Europe and Asians and latinos here…..take over and eventually put these various loudmouths to the sword…..

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  8. Anon[331] • Disclaimer says:

    Moral of the story: don’t accept awards that can be taken back. When you do so, you’re taking a risk. People assume you must be guilty of something because you gave your detractors legitimacy by accepting their patronage. Probably only a few awards like the Pulitzer, the Fields, Emmys/Oscars (less valuable now), and the Nobel are worth it while lower-tier awards like the Hugo, Kennedy, and “Humanist of the Year” aren’t and should be avoided.

    Other examples:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/j-k-rowling-returns-kennedy-family-award-after-transphobic-tweets-n1238674

    https://bookriot.com/the-john-w-campbell-award-is-now-the-astounding-award/

    Question: Will there come a time when the more prestigious awards revoke honors given to previous recipients? Maybe Vivian Leigh loses her Oscar one day.

  9. If he keeps on like this, he’ll find God.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  10. Dawkins previously occupied a strange liminal space alongside the likes of Steve Pinker and Andrew Sullivan, whereby he was allowed to express Wrongthink, while still being regarded by the left-liberal elite as being within the bounds of Acceptable Discourse (Charles Murray circa “Coming Apart” also briefly occupied this territory – although he was quickly sent back to his post 1994 exile afterwards).

    Alas, we are now in the post 2013 world, so Dawkins has been cancelled (along with Sullivan). Who’s next? Bill Maher would be a good bet.

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  11. Richard Dawkins has spent his life dancing around race and evolution to be accepted by the establishment while mocking Creationists to please leftists.

    Imma atheist so I loves muh science. I’m a total science dude and way better than those stupid Creationists.

    Oh but everyone came out of Africa with just different levels of tan cause we say so. Buy my book, the ny times just loves how I dig into Christians. They say I am an awesome science dude so get that visa out. You too can feel like super awesome science dude and deny race with me.

    Please don’t email me questions about race. I’m trying to sell books here people.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  12. Dube says:

    On no occasion call yourself a philosopher. – Epictetus.

  13. @Anonymous

    Lost in the Seventies tonight?

    (This is not the Thomas Harris who pairs human liver with Chianti and fava beans.)

  14. El Dato says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Does this mean there are no psychopaths in the US?

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  15. Though avowed devotees of pure Reason,
    Dawkins proves they are guilty of treason.
    He’s the Coppertone pup
    Who shows the jig’s up
    And exposing their asses is pleasin’.

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. El Dato says:

    This must be a teaser shot from Terry Gilliam’s follow-up to “12 Monkeys”, “Millions of Monkeys”. These dystopian movies are getting more and more anxiety-inducing.

    Also, the migration/immigration/refugee crisis is off (the climate change crisis is still on):

    Spinning POTUS? What Biden ACTUALLY meant by ‘crisis’ was CAUSES of migration, White House now says

    This obsession with terminology – and the efforts to explain away Biden’s own words – did not go unnoticed on the other side of the aisle. Congressman Andy Biggs (R-Arizona) tweeted that not only has Biden not visited the border, “his own administration is now walking back his own words.”

    Steve Guest, staffer for Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas), called it “insane spin” and pointed out that, “According to the Biden White House, what Joe Biden says does not represent the official position of the Biden administration.”

    “There is no President,” quipped actor Nick Searcy, a conservative. “[Joe Biden] is not in charge of his own mouth.”

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  17. The World’s Most Famous Atheist Has Been Canceled…

    I thought he was canceled years ago for kissing all those married women on Family Feud.

  18. Lem says:

    Dawkins self-cancelled decades ago, when he gave up on the work he started with The Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype to become a professional atheist.

    He tried to reassure the reader of The Extended Phenotype (a book full of unnerving examples of parasitic manipulation) that he was only talking about animals. But it’s obvious that his ideas effortlessly transfer to our parasites. He couldn’t continue this line of inquiry without getting in trouble, and being the brilliant mind he was back then, he knew it.

  19. Dissident says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Dawkins discovers that not only has he been a member of a religion all along, now he’s a heretic.

    Redneck farmer wrote:

    Atheist: noun, One who does not believe in God, but is still holier than thou.

    Not just atheists, not just Wokeists, but most of those who criticize and censure the Right/ traditionalists/ religious for being doctrinaire, dogmatic, fundamentalist, superstitious, etc., tend to themselves be no better in any of those specific regards. Often moreso.

  20. Yngvar says:

    As a humanist, not the american kind, I think this is sad.

  21. Dumbo says:

    It’s funny that Transgenders and Blacks are sacred

    BUT

    no one wants to talk about Transblacks. Transracialism is taboo!

    If whites were smart, they would all identify as TransBlack. After all, race, like gender, is just a social construct, anyone can transition to Sacred Blackness.

    No need for any cosmetic changes (just a social construct! there are men who menstruate!), but, if required, they can also be obtained with the right amount of melanin and Black Hair products. Dolezal almost got it but not really, she needed a bit more tan, but her hair was top-notch (don’t touch it!).

    Learning Blackspeak also good, dats important gnome sayin?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @El Dato
  22. Pericles says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Tiny Duck (and he’s right): Dawkins, you will be replaced by a strong brown subcontinental.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  23. @The Last Real Calvinist

    Well said.

    When other commenters snipe at me for saying I’ve never met a sincere atheist, this is the kind of thing I’m talking about.

    Most so called “atheism” is just sophomore-tier Christian heresy.

  24. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Reg Cæesar is a transsexual subhuman.

  25. Firefinga says:

    Indeed. the Cult of Woke IS todays Religion, in fact it has all ingredients of it. Holy Scriptures, Prophets, Saints, Devils and even an original sin (= being White), Satan (=being a White heterosexual male), “Heaven” = multicultural “progressive” Paradise.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Alden
    , @NOTA
  26. anon[197] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident

    Fascism is the true cosmopolitanism

  27. Dissident says:
    @Anonymous

    IT’S OKAY TO BE A STRAIGHT WHITE BOY or GIRL

    Add to that message:
    – If you’re a boy and you prefer pink to blue or otherwise have tastes, traits or tendencies that are or are perceived to be more feminine than masculine, you’re still a boy.
    ~ ~ ~
    As has been highlighted in any number of posts that have appeared here from Mr. Sailer, evidence has been mounting for some time now of a backlash against this transmania.

    How significant, substantial, extensive, and representative, respectively, of various demographics, is this resistance and opposition? Any predictions on how soon we will know whether or not the trans activists overreached with their aggressive targeting of children?

    Wouldn’t it be interesting to see people’s predictions here, and then see how well they age?

  28. @The Last Real Calvinist

    “not only has he been a member of a religion all along, now he’s a heretic”

    Someone really should tweet that in response either to Dawkins or the Humanists.

  29. Polistra says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Brother tried so hard to run fast as he can and stay in front of the woke-tsunami but he got outrunned and outgunned.

  30. Does this mean that the runner-up for the 1996 award now gets the title? If so, let’s hope they’re not too upset at being denied this privilege all these years. But then think of the responsibility to make sure they never do or say anything to have it snatched away again!

  31. I’m mildly surprised this didn’t occur before as SJWs have loathed Dawkins for many years. Much of it stems from envy due to him being considerably better known than any one of them. I wonder if he’ll have the strength of character to fight this or if he’s grown too old.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  32. Nodwink says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Cornel West is a Bernie Bro, he was cancelled by the identitarian liberals a long time ago.

    • Replies: @Shango
  33. When you believe in nothing, you’ll believe anything.

  34. Since he’s been cancelled- I am on his side.

    But….

    1. his atheism is shallow even for a scientistically oriented person. He is, along with some colleagues of him, simply philosophically illiterate & imaginatively, psychologically, historically …a dwarf.

    2. there is no reason why an atheist (or a S & M “theist”) would rather be a nihilist than “humanist”

    3. he is metaphysically uneducated, so his “atheist” crusade is impressive only for fundamentalist nutjobs & similar ilk. As has been said- a British thinker’s top is a German theologian’s bottom.

    That said, I am completely on his side re biological status of sex. Whether sex/gender possible dichotomy has extra dimensions of meaning, is quite another question.

  35. bomag says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Thanks.

    We must be vigilant and draw the distinction between Western civilization and philosophy on the one hand, and Western crimes on the other.

    Well, it appears a major Western crime was being anti-communist. One would do well to live under Western crimes.

    Students must be challenged: Can they face texts from the greatest thinkers that force them to radically call into question their presuppositions?

    No.

    Can they come to terms with the antecedent conditions and circumstances they live in but didn’t create?

    No.

    Can they confront the fact that human existence is not easily divided into good and evil, but filled with complexity, nuance and ambiguity?

    No.

  36. wren says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    “We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

    Oops.

    That just happened to be the first quote at this site, but most of them are just as valid for the new god he has angered.

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1194.Richard_Dawkins

    • Replies: @Jack D
  37. @Lem

    If by parasites you mean rich people, then good on you. If by parasites you mean people on “welfare,” then fuck you, because you are demonstrably wrong.

    • Agree: SunBakedSuburb
    • Troll: ScarletNumber
  38. @James J O'Meara

    .. we won’t need his shitty ideas anyway.

    He’s an African. Therefore opinions discarded.

  39. kihowi says:

    With society in the grip of secular religious mania, everything humanists ever wanted has come to pass. They’ve always had the whiff of Esperanto societies about them, but now they’re comically superfluous. What kind of person goes there?

    It’s pathetic to begin with. If you’ve concluded that there is no god, you man up and make it up as you go along from then on. Don’t make up a counterfeit religion where you try to give whatever is popular religious weight so you can still scratch that itch.

  40. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dumbo

    no one wants to talk about Transblacks. Transracialism is taboo!

    That was exactly what Dawkins was cancelled for. Pointing that out.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
  41. JMcG says:

    Things are certainly moving fast these days.

  42. Dawkins v atheists. Cornel West v wreckers of Western Civilization.

    Rooting for injuries.

    • LOL: PiltdownMan
    • Replies: @Bert
  43. I see Dawkins recently attempted to backpedal, not denying his original tweet, but deploring that “Republican bigots” had exploited it.

    Didn’t help him, a third of the commenters deplored his step back (“you’re not the brave person I took you for”), another third still supportive (“you’re better than this Richard”), the rest telling him he’s an enabler of “transphobes”.

    And of course the Humanists still cancelled him. He should have denied his original tweet three times.

  44. @Anon

    Have they stopped playing the theme from Gone With the Wind at the Oscars?

    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  45. Ray P says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I’m OK because I am a posh, highly educated, English, Oxbridge scientist walking in the footsteps of Darwin and R.A. Fisher and W. Hamilton whose ancestors made their fortune trading slaves within the British Empire.

    You’re not OK because you are an American rebellious sodbuster who loves his guns and his Bible too much and you likely never made it past high school in the arse-end of Nebraska.

  46. Well, I’ve been reading a lot about tg/ts people lately. Most people, I think, know the basics.

    What I found puzzling was a video of an authentic tg person who “came back”. She identified as a male as early as 3 years old. Then, continually, without puberty blockers (so, she got periods) & hormone therapy, for next 20 years.

    She got higher education.

    Then, when she was 23, gender dysphoria disappeared. Now, she’s a normally married woman. Her authentic gender dysphoria lasted for 20 years.

    Talk about (sexual) identity, identity as such and free will …

  47. @Pericles

    I would have thought Ricardo Montalban would be a better candidate, even if he is dead.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  48. El Dato says:

    OT file under: “Any study on racism must come to a foregone conclusion, and you know what that is”

    The UN deplores that the UK does not find enough confirmatory evidence of contemporary oppression and racism against POCETTY-POKS who demand to actually live in the UK in spite of all those Death Camps and Police Shootings and Lynchings. There they then hold completely asshattish BLM protests and collect money from Good Whitey.

    UK slams UN experts’ criticism that its race report ‘normalizes white nationalism’

    London has urged UN experts to read its race report before dismissing it as something that “normalises white nationalism,” after the body issued a scathing assessment of the UK’s findings that the country has no systematic racism.

    According to Reuters, the UK prime minister’s spokesperson claimed the UN had misrepresented the findings of the government report. “We remain proud of the UK’s long history as a human rights champion and we encourage everyone to read the original report in full,” they said.

    The spokesperson was responding to the findings of the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, the UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent, which said the UK review supported deeply racist notions and used poor evidence to “make claims that rationalise white supremacy by using the familiar arguments that have always justified racial hierarchy.”

    This in spite of said report having been compiled by a Commission of 11 people, only one of which is actually White.

    As Tobias Langdon writes in Blacks Bless the Benighted West: The Sacred Central Principle of Modern Western Politics and Culture

    Yes, the report claims that Britain, with its rape-gangs, suicide-bombers and acid-throwers, will serve as a beacon to European nations like Hungary and Poland, which don’t have rape-gangs, suicide-bombers or acid-throwers because they haven’t been enriched by non-White immigration. But just as predictable as the fatuities of the report has been the response of Britain’s cuckservatives and leftists. Cuckservatives have warmly welcomed the report and leftists have loudly condemned it. The report was variously described in the Guardian as “disturbing,” “nonsensical,” “deeply cynical,” “egregious,” “poisonously patronising,” “historically illiterate,” “insulting to our intelligence,” and, of course, “divisive.”

    For leftists, it is always “divisive” when someone disagrees with them. But BoJo & Co. were careful to avoid one potential complaint from the left: they followed a strict leftist rule by ensuring that the Commissioners were almost all non-White. And so it was that the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities was itself a glaring — and entirely unaddressed — example of a “Race and Ethnic Disparity.” In a country that is still about 80% White, the Commissioners had to be 90% non-White because it is non-Whites who decide how wonderful non-Whites are and how much of a blessing mass immigration has been. The White majority doesn’t get a vote on that.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  49. ic1000 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    > Dawkins should have denied his original tweet three times.

    Quip that wins the thread!

  50. Spud Boy says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    “I see that my academic “Discuss” question has been misconstrued…”

    Twitter is basically a giant festival of people deliberately misconstruing brief statements made by others they dislike.

    Twitter is evil; I haven’t been on it since they decided the man holding the U.S.’s nuclear codes couldn’t be trusted with an account.

  51. El Dato says:
    @Dumbo

    I hear Transblacks get beaten to death by Blacks, so I wouldn’t recommend speaking about that all that much.

  52. @Anon

    I understand the difference in the prestige of these different awards, #331, but I don’t understand your point about the giving of them back. If there’s a lot of money involved (Nobel prize?) then, sure, it’s gone. However, if the current Nobel committee decided some guy who won one in 1985 said something too un-woke, can’t they just take his name off all future listings, paperwork, what-have-you, as with Mr. Dawkins and his “1996 Humanist of the Year” award?

    As for any physical prize other than money, no you don’t give that back. From me, it’d be something like “Man, I’m sorry. I looked all over the house. The last I saw I saw it, it was on the mantle next to my bowling trophy and my kid’s track medals. My wife must have cleaned house again.”

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    , @NOTA
  53. RVBlake says:

    I recall Dawkins’ celebrating Trump’s cancellation by Twitter due to dangerous free speech…So tough nuts, Dick, how do you like free speech cancellation now?

  54. @Bardon Kaldian

    That’s great for her husband then. He can be pretty sure she’s a virgin then, pretty much, I mean …

  55. @YetAnotherAnon

    “He should have denied his original tweet three times.”

    Before that bloody rooster starts its bloody racket…

    Exceptionally well played. Approaching the level of “American Humanist Association kicks out most famous atheist for his disbelief in transubstantiation…”

    • LOL: Johann Ricke
  56. @Firefinga

    “Heaven” = multicultural “progressive” Paradise.

    Ironically the nearest we get on this earth to a multicultural progressive paradise is the magazine covers of a pretty religious bunch, depicting God’s Kingdom.

  57. gent says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    >Child settles into mature sexual role once she finishes pubescing
    Are you seriously trying to pass this off as a revelation? The problem right now is that ‘gender dysphoria’ is an inaccurate diagnosis for weak self-concept.

    • Agree: photondancer
  58. That Balthasar Grimm who mentioned transubstantiation is on fire on twutter.

    “Dawkins was stripped of his award for peddling the pseudoscience that a man is unable to transform into a woman just by saying so.”

    • Replies: @photondancer
  59. Dawkins might easily himself claim to be an African-American, were he ever to apply for a green card, since he was himself born in Kenya.

    I doubt if he cares very much himself about being de-woked, being 80 years old now, like John Cleese, with only limited years before he goes to meet his Maker. At this point in life they don’t give a f***.

    Dawkins could easily live quietly in comfortable retirement studying butterflies, but has courageously tweeted about human cockroaches.

    So we have these octogenarians taking one for the team, while most of the working population is cowed by this nonsense.

    And then they came for Mick Jagger, who tried his best to sing like a Mississippi delta blues man, for cultural copyright, and canceled Woodstock.

  60. @YetAnotherAnon

    I understand Dawkins’ frustration. Imagine a man of his academic excellence (I heartily disagree with his theology, though) being misconstrued as sharing ideological space with a Trump voter.

    I only went to UCLA and I’d be mortified.

  61. anon[349] • Disclaimer says:

    IQ tests: a number assigned to an induvial based on an arbitrary test created by some white guy 120 years ago. It has no validity.

    Age: a number assigned to an induvial based on an arbitrary calendar created by some white guy 500 years ago. Age is real…because…hidden figures put pan on the moon, bigot

  62. @Anon

    don’t accept awards that can be taken back

    I would argue that an award, once given, cannot be taken back. You can be unpersoned and they can pretend they never gave it to you, but you can’t unring a bell. For example, I was once watching the Mark Twain Prize ceremony. The prize is a lifetime-achievement award in American humor and has been given annually since 1998. During the ceremony, there was a montage showing every winner… except 2009. It shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out who that was, but just in case it was

    [MORE]
    Bill Cosby

    • Agree: S. Anonyia, gandydancer
    • Replies: @James J O'Meara
  63. @Reg Cæsar

    Dawson hosted Family Feud until its cancellation in 1985. The show was brought back in 1988 with a different host. That host was fired* in 1994 and Dawson was brought back due to popular demand. However, he refused to continue his kissing schtick. Why? Because his wife** wouldn’t allow it.

    [MORE]
    *he killed himself two years later
    **that he picked up on the show

  64. @Change that Matters

    “If he keeps on like this, he’ll find God.”
    Apparently “God” has found him.
    Win the lottery? Watch out, they”ll take it back should you cease to be pious.

  65. anon[349] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Steve, the Turing Award for this year was awarded to the Jewish computer scientist Jeffery D Ullman. The ACM (the body that gives out the award) has received a flood of complains that Ullman should not have won because he is racist:
    https://www.acm.org/response-to-letter

    The ACM has apologised but said they can’t take away his award away. Future nominees, however, will be vetted to make sure they don’t have the wrong political beliefs.

  66. Well there ya go, even some folks who had the sense to get over the god nonsense still need to be true believers in a different, temporarily fashionable idiocy. What a sad commentary on human nature.

    Nevertheless, it remains true that “atheism is a religion” the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

  67. @Henry's Cat

    Organizations generally vacate the award and not give it to anyone. This happens in college sports a lot, but like I said in another post you can’t unring a bell. USC still beat Oklahoma 55-19 to win in 2004, no matter what Reggie Bush did or didn’t do.

    One exception is the IOC. In 1988 Ben Johnson won the 100 meter dash, but when he was DQed for a failed drug test, the gold was given to Carl Lewis. More shamefully, in 1912 when Jim Thorpe was DQed his gold was given to Hugo Wieslander. Then, 70 years after the fact Thorpe was given his gold back, but Wieslander got to keep his as well.

  68. Mike Tre says:

    I thought Pope Francis was the world’s most famous atheist.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: BB753, Alden
  69. @Henry's Cat

    No, the roster will loudly and proudly honor the Association itself by

    1996: [withdrawn]*

    footnoted with the recent pompous statement.

    If our society remains on its current trajectory, then these revocations will eclipse the awards in their importance as the guardians of Truth look ever harder for heretics to cast out.

    Woke Insomnia

    • Replies: @Daniel Williams
  70. Mike Tre says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    Dickie D is yet another of example of how a higher IQ often correlates with an abject lack of self awareness.

  71. @El Dato

    The British government report on racism was commissioned to determine whether Britain has institutional racism.

    Institutional racism would be something like the National Health Service systematically underfunding prenatal care and maternity services to areas with a large number of immigrants, or having something written into laws or national or local government ordinances or operating procedures that intentionally or unintentionally discriminates against people of certain immigrant races.

    Mostly it refers to government agencies, but could also apply to large corporations that shape the fabric of everyday life.

    Nobody denies that there are some racists in Britain. The majority in the referendum vote on Brexit was largely fueled by xenophobia–that is hardly a secret.

    I don’t think the report dealt with the question of “racist rape gangs”, because organized crime is not considered to be ‘institutional’ and is not officially approved.

    The whole question as to whether the rape gangs (mostly Pakistani exploiters of lost underage girls in areas of high unemployment and social pathology) are mainly motivated by racism, money, or lust is way beyond the scope of the report.

    If the United Nations has good examples of institutional racism in Britain, it should come forward and declare it with specific details, not scattershot allegations, so that people can know what is being objected to.

  72. @Almost Missouri

    In the last decade or so, I’ve had to suffer, as many others have, from the puerile yet annoying intellectual assertiveness of persons who’ve recently discovered atheism.

    In every case, these people who get into arguments with me appear to have had no exposure to any form of philosophical thought or religious or theological training before reading one of those pop bestsellers by Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and the like.

    I’ve usually tried to shut them down by pointing them to the link below from an old-school atheist, rather than speak of my religious beliefs and get entangled in a conversation that is ill-informed and only wishes to proselytize, on their part.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20201030191344/http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=7992

    And in every case, they’ve come back with their eyes glazed over, and spouted some angry, gruff, uncomprehending reaction or the other about not needing to deal with “unnecessary details.”

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  73. mc23 says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s “Okay to be Super Straight”

  74. Ian Smith says:

    Given that he grew up in colonial Kenya, I would be amazed if race realism never crossed his mind. Or does he have some sort of elite Brit noblesse oblige toward Africans?

  75. AndrewR says:
    @Neoconned

    For all the whining about the Hart Celler Act around here, the core ethnic conflict in the US remains the same as it was in 1965: Goodwhites + blacks + Jews against Badwhites. I would gladly erase our southern border in exchange for returning blacks back to their sacred motherland.

  76. Flemur says:

    Like Thomas Dolby said –

    It’s poetry in motion
    She turned her tender eyes to me
    As deep as any ocean
    As sweet as any harmony
    Mmm – but she demeaned me with scientific discourse
    “She demeaned me with scientific discourse!”
    And failed AHA in biology

  77. @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks, it is an interesting video, but she rambles and rambles and it really raises more questions than it answers.

    Like what was her family situation as a child and did other family members or relatives comment on her unusual behavior at the age of 3?

    It seems really weird that she claims she can remember these odd feelings at the age of 3.

    If I think back to the age of 3–difficult obviously–my few memories are of things like the cat having ten kittens, the dog having puppies, the geese hissing at me, getting eggs from the hen house with my mother, my first attempts to start a fire using matches, my first attempt to copy my father in sharpening a knife and cutting my thumb when testing the blade, stamping in a puddle and splashing my sister, hearing some big band music and the time signal on the radio (no TV then!)–so all things that indicate an attempt to explore the physical world, not attempts to explore my inner self.

    Did she have any kind of therapy or psychological evaluation as a child?

    This is a woman who is, ahem, how can I put this, not very attractive. Her hair is really weird, or is it a wig, or some kind of disguise? So maybe she felt unattractive as a girl at adolescence, but then there are many teenagers of both sexes who feel unattractive, but this is not gender dysphoria.

    Anyway, I am rambling like her, but as I said, this video explains very little about why she thought she was a boy/man, what she did about it, and why she changed her mind again.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  78. AndrewR says:
    @PiltdownMan

    A fake “university” catering to Black Supremacism cancels white people? This is hardly anything to worry about. Intelligent blacks don’t go to these “HBCU” clown colleges

  79. Flemur says:

    demean marginalized groups

    That’s a rather ironic statement by AHA because, as exemplified by the comments posted here by superstitious people, atheists are probably the most “marginalized group” in the US.

  80. 3g4me says:
    @PiltdownMan

    @20 Piltdown Man: Oh, another numinous Negro revered by ‘muh principles’ Whites. If he’s your ‘brother,’ then who are your people?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  81. @anon

    LOL at an Iranian whining about bigotry. Well, I’m not and never have been a member of ACM but this is still disappointing. Once upon a time I.T. folk prided themselves on being different to the herd.

  82. Am I the only one that finds it funny that Dawkins was camcelled by the AHA board. Isn’t that how they cancel everyone…Aha, in 1972 you thought this…aha, 1919 he wrote this. Aha indeed.

    • Replies: @tyrone
  83. BB753 says:

    It’s a good development. The Revolution will end when the woke end up in an intestine war nobody can possibly win. Then a Napoleon or Stalin will emerge. A bad outcome but there are no good solutions to the mess we’re in.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @gandydancer
  84. @Jonathan Mason

    Racism is not synonymous to xenophobia.

    • Agree: gandydancer
  85. Ever notice? Natural selection does not come to your aid just because you believe in it.

    A triple atheist?

    1) Disbelieve in Yahweh/Allah/etc.

    2) Disbelieve in a Moral Arc of the Universe that bends toward something other than chaos.

    3) Disbelieve in upper case History that has a side, rather than lower case history shit that happens.

  86. AndrewR says:
    @obwandiyag

    I assumed he meant Jews lol

  87. @RichardTaylor

    That tweet perfectly sums up the elite Brit view of America. And the non-elite view. And yet we have posters on this forum who think we should have a military alliance with these people, and be their friends. Hell, even James Kirkpatrick just scribbled that we should act more British and celebrate Boxing Day.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @Brutusale
  88. @Almost Missouri

    Atheism depends on having a large and sincere religious population to constantly oppose and argue against. I think it loses its excitement otherwise, it’s just contrarianism turned into a belief system.

    Atheists generally think about religion way more than agnostics and irreligious people do.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  89. kihowi says:
    @obwandiyag

    Not to worry, he only meant jews.

  90. anon[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Cornel West

    Arsonist is shocked and dismayed when other arsonists set his neighborhood on fire…

  91. @Observator

    Nevertheless, it remains true that “atheism is a religion” the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    It would be a hobby if you got a t-shirt that said “I don’t need stamps” and then went online daily to tell people about how you don’ t need them.

    Atheism is hopelessly tied to contra-identify and liberalism. Just hang around an atheist in real life and talk about race or Islam. They are directed by liberal ideology to maintain both as taboos and are completely unaware of this. In their minds they are completely rational but we just don’t talk about those things because that would be wrong. That’s different you see.

    All the celebrity atheists have maintained the taboo of race for the establishment. They also give Islam a pass while depicting Christianity as some massive mind control device while hilariously depicting Western liberalism as free thinking.

    • Replies: @Anon
  92. p38ace says:

    His wife is a time lord. They should just use their Tardis to travel back in time and change what is needed to change. Some problems are easy to solve.

  93. @Observator

    When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.

    [G.K. Chesterton]

    It is a bit of a conundrum. As a parent I would rather have my children raised in Christianity, even though I do not actually believe in the supernatural aspects of Christianity myself.

    Hopefully they would absorb and internalize some of the ethical aspects of Christian morality, such as the Golden rule and the Sermon on the mount, before they thought their way out of the supernatural aspects of religion.

    The problem comes about when adult religious fanatics want to impose laws on secular democracies that are based on religious dogma or tradition rather than on science.

    The United States is very explicit that establishment of religion is not allowed, but even in countries that do have established religion the same issues and controversies arise.

    That is where people like Dawkins can come in useful, by raising consciousness about issues of establishment of religious dogma like creation science, so that politicians have somebody to do the heavy lifting on their behalf.

    It is time for the population at large to get shaken out of its trans trance, and wake up and smell the caffeinated beverage.

    I am not advocating persecution of ladyboys or he-women, or putting them on show in circuses, and agree that one should be compassionate towards persons who are confused about their sex or gender, but they should not be allowed to dictate to mainstream culture about who can use which public toilet from their disordered stance.

  94. Jack D says:
    @wren

    Once a god has lost the patronage of those in power it’s completely safe to beat him up. No one gets in trouble anymore for saying that Zeus or Thor is a false god. When things are in transition, it’s not only safe but an excellent career move, especially when accompanied by praise for the new god. If you lived around the time that your local ruler adopted Christianity, you would want to be seen in public desecrating the Temple of Zeus or whatever and declaiming your belief in Jesus if you wanted to be successful and well liked by the power structure.

    But you have to keep your antennas tuned as to which gods are in and which ones are out with the people in power. Say that you now live in a post-Christian society. It takes zero courage to say that the Christian god doesn’t exist and never existed. No one is going to burn you at the stake for heresy. It might even get you awards and such.

    BUT, you’ve got to stay in tune, especially in periods of flux. Religion is pretty much universal in all human societies. If the people in power have dethroned one god, it’s necessary for them to substitute another – people really can’t live without religion.

    If they can’t think of a heavenly deity, they might substitute themselves. Roman emperors were deified. Communist leaders too (human nature never changes). They even brought back mummification and put their dead leaders on display in order to be worshiped as the gods of their New Religion.

    In our society, our New Religion has deified not one man (although MLK came close) but entire groups – the Numinous Negro, the Transcendental Transexual.

    Dawkins, being older, was a bit slow on the uptake. He did fine with the smashing the idols of the Old Religion part back in his younger days. But he did not keep up with Current Year thinking on the doctrines of the New Church and so he accidentally committed heresy. Ooops.

  95. @anon

    In the case of the Turing award, the prize is $1 million and that complicates matters. They could rescind the award, but I’m sure they couldn’t get the money back.

  96. @photondancer

    Dawkins has mocked Muslims in the same way he mocks Christians, so he does have some cojones.

    In 2009 Dawkins participated in a New Statesman project called “20 ways to save Labour”, in which 20 public figures … gave suggestions about how to make the Labour Party better. Dawkins’s contribution was as follows: “Stop toadying to Muslims and other “faith communities” as part of a general abolition of all religious privilege.”

    Dawkins … made the following comment in the form of a fictitious letter to a Muslim woman complaining of misogyny:

    Dear Muslima,
    Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and … yawn … don’t tell me yet again, I know you aren’t allowed to drive a car, and you can’t leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you’ll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with.

    Only this week I heard of one, she calls herself Skep”chick”, and do you know what happened to her? A man in a hotel elevator invited her back to his room for coffee. I am not exaggerating. He really did. He invited her back to his room for coffee. Of course she said no, and of course he didn’t lay a finger on her, but even so …

    And you, Muslima, think you have misogyny to complain about! For goodness sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin.

    Due to his views on Islamic extremism, Dawkins declared that “Islam is the greatest force for evil in the world today”.

    Dawkins has generated controversy on Twitter when he wrote, “All the world’s Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. They did great things in the Middle Ages, though.”

    Earlier that year, he also wrote, “Of course you can have an opinion about Islam without having read Qur’an. You don’t have to read Mein Kampf to have an opinion about Nazism.”

  97. El Dato says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Nobody denies that there are some racists in Britain. The majority in the referendum vote on Brexit was largely fueled by xenophobia–that is hardly a secret.

    Unsure about that

    The myth of ‘stupid’ Brexit voter undone by study that discovers affluent and educated ‘Comfortable Leavers’ actually won the day

    However, someone has finally done the research and it paints a very different picture of those who voted leave and surprise, surprise, a huge proportion of these people are not the dregs of humanity – or even the patronisingly dubbed ‘Left Behinds’ – they’re actually reasonably well-off or affluent Eurosceptics who make up nearly a quarter (23%) of the entire UK electorate and from this point in time onwards will be forever known as the ‘Comfortable Leavers’.

    Are they “xenophobic”? Probably not. Do not they like the brownout and Zimbabweanization? Likely.

    After all, if you want to see foreign people you can always take a plane. That attitude is hardly “xenophobic”.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
  98. Speaking of taking trophies and awards away.

  99. @YetAnotherAnon

    Wow, is the Watchtower behind the times. All couples must be interracial and all children mixed race.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    , @John Johnson
  100. El Dato says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    They did great things in the Middle Ages, though

    Translating books from greek writers doesn’t count, Dawkins.

    Meanwhile, Pakistani proposes to upgrade Muslimics on the Totem Pole of Holiness and Reparation-ability:

    West must ‘penalize’ Muslim hate just like it outlawed Holocaust denial, Pakistani PM Khan says amid anti-French riots

  101. @anon

    There’s a lot of extreme prejudice against Iranian coders and scientists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists

  102. @Observator

    “atheism is a religion” the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    That’s funny, but doesn’t quite work. If you don’t collect stamps, you don’t spend a lot of time mocking those who do or working up explanations for why collecting stamps is bad for humanity. You just don’t think about it. Atheists think about religion an awful lot.

  103. Alden says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Thanks I’ll remember that laughing out loud.

  104. AndrewR says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    What a pathetic coward. He deserves to be cancelled.

  105. Alden says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    LOL I don’t want to use up all my reactions on this one article. I learn new things every day. I never knew a humanist of the year existed.

  106. @Jack D

    If the people in power have dethroned one god, it’s necessary for them to substitute another – people really can’t live without religion.

    Nailed it. I’ve noticed lately comments like “he said X – and on Holocaust Memorial Day too!” the way that people would once get told off for playing dice or cards on a Sunday.

    “Men without religion
    Just can’t be in a righteous man’s position”

  107. Alden says:
    @Firefinga

    And even a Founding Myth as exemplified by Out Of Africa and Black Athena, tales written in the sacred libraries of UC Berkeley and Cornell.

  108. @Jonathan Mason

    … agree that one should be compassionate towards persons who are confused about their sex or gender, but they should not be allowed to dictate to mainstream culture …

    It is not they who are doing the dictating. They are being used by the ascendant faction of the ruling class.

  109. @James J O'Meara

    We will always very much need the idea of the extended phenotype.

    • Replies: @Bert
  110. gent says:
    @Observator

    More like “atheism is a religion” in the same way that collecting stamps without Batman on them is still collecting stamps.

  111. Mr. Anon says:
    @Redneck farmer

    Atheist: noun, One who does not believe in God, but is still holier than thou.

    There is no God, and Dawkins is his prophet.

  112. @Harry Baldwin

    In 2009 Dawkins participated in a New Statesman project called “20 ways to save Labour”, in which 20 public figures … gave suggestions about how to make the Labour Party better. Dawkins’s contribution was as follows: “Stop toadying to Muslims and other “faith communities” as part of a general abolition of all religious privilege.”

    Wow a single online comment from 2009.

    You are missing the bigger picture here which is that his books on natural history completely ignore race while he ruthlessly attacks creationism.

    So why not go after the establishment version of creationism (paint theory) where Goddess Mother Nature created all races by painting them different colors as they left Africa?

    Because he knows full well that is a societal taboo and that the liberal establishment only allows attacks on Christianity. His books are used in the colleges to undermine Christianity while the competing liberal religion is deceptively depicted as science based. Questioning paint theory would put an end to his book sales.

    He is also part of Humanists UK which has pushed abortion, same sex marriage and gender denial.

  113. @Harry Baldwin

    Wow, is the Watchtower behind the times. All couples must be interracial and all children mixed race.

    What’s really hilarious is that irl Seventh Day Adventists are heavily Black and most of their growth is in the Black(primarily African)demographic. Thus their super White ad is really intend to attract Blacks.

    • Replies: @anon
  114. @Harry Baldwin

    Wow, is the Watchtower behind the times. All couples must be interracial and all children mixed race.

    The one they handed me not long ago was exactly that.

    I saw Hispanic Watchtower people at Walmart handing them out. Really weird to have first gen Hispanics telling you about a multi-ethnic paradise at your local Walmart.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if they basically ditch White people as a targeted demographic.

  115. Mr. Anon says:
    @Observator

    Nevertheless, it remains true that “atheism is a religion” the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    More like in the way that not stepping on sidewalk cracks is not an obsession.

  116. anon[403] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    The 7th Day Adventists are not even close to the same thing as the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  117. @Jack D

    I think Dawkins is a lot more intellectually sophisticated than people here take him for.

    He acts and has acted in the past as a lightning rod for many people who don’t want to openly agree with him, such as politicians.

    But when you are coming up against people like fundamentalist preachers and wokeists who are intellectually dishonest and in the business of manipulating the masses, then you have to adopt a certain persona to counteract them, and Dawkins plays the role on TV of this kind of Oxford professor who tries to make things simple for middle- and low-brows, rather like CS Lewis did for Christianity (and came under fire from George Orwell who deplored his intellectual dishonesty and patronizing tone.)

    So I think Dawkins knows exactly what he is doing, and knows that he has a lot of support from ordinary people who are scared to speak out themselves.

    http://lewisiana.nl/orwell/

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  118. More confirmation for your theory, Steve. These people, talking tens of millions, want childhood to be uninterrupted their whole lives.

    Hell, I still dress like a teenager a good bit of the time myself.

  119. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    The Coppertone dog has been canceled… He(?) will be replaced by a leering drag queen on loan from Banana Boat (“Defy the sun”)

  120. @Jonathan Mason

    When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.

    [G.K. Chesterton]

    It is a bit of a conundrum. As a parent I would rather have my children raised in Christianity, even though I do not actually believe in the supernatural aspects of Christianity myself.

    Well in Western society you are picking one religion or another. We don’t have secular schools.

    I don’t think children should be burdened with religion or politics at a young age but it seems that adults can’t resist.

    I can still remember my first grade class where they depicted MLK as a Black Jesus Christ. I really believed that White people would oppress Black people purely out of hatred of their skin color and that every town had secret KKK members somewhere. I was ashamed of being White because my liberal teachers had convinced me that racial problems were all the result of Whites being mean. It had a much stronger effect on my identify than anything my Sunday school teachers had to say.

  121. Fox says:
    @The Last Real Calvinist

    That’s a razor-sharp comment. Thanks. Cuts right to the empty core of our hollow earth.

  122. @RichardTaylor

    It will certainly be interesting to see of Dawkins has just the minimal level of backbone needed to mock these clowns and state clearly that they’ve lost all credibility. If he bends even a fraction of an inch for their silliness then that will expose his own degeneracy once and for all.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
  123. @RichardTaylor

    It will certainly be interesting to see of Dawkins has just the minimal level of backbone needed to mock these clowns and state clearly that they’ve lost all credibility. If he bends even a fraction of an inch for their silliness then that will expose his own degeneracy once and for all.

  124. Kronos says:

    Like Steve Sailer’s Obama book, Moldbug’s book on Dawkins gets better with age.

  125. Bert says:
    @Ben tillman

    You are correct, but these bozos don’t know that Detroit, Memphis, Birmingham, Baltimore, etc. are extended phenotypes because they don’t know what extended phenotypes are. They don’t know anything about evolution.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  126. @Lem

    Can anyone remember what Dawkins was supposed to be “brilliant” about? I mean, the way Watson and Crick discovered DNA, that sort of thing. Not “another brilliant bestseller” sort of brilliant. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that; I’ve got a new book coming out soon, so save up your nickles and dimes)

    What did Dawkins do in the same field, biology? Before (((they))) made up a “Professor of the Public Understanding of Science” professorship for him.

    Brian Josephson is Professor of Physics at Cambridge, and a Nobel laureate. I guess he’s pretty “brilliant”. When he was visiting professor at Wayne State, the philosophy professors, all of the analytic school, were disgusted that he refused to discuss anything but Transcendental Meditation. Is Dawkins brillianter?

    • Replies: @Bert
  127. Forbes says:
    @Polistra

    Isn’t it demeaning to refer to groups of people as “marginalized”?

    Who says? And on what authority? Surely it’s rude to stereotype “groups” with such language–and rudeness is both offensive and hurtful.

  128. Bert says:
    @Wade Hampton

    It is more sensible to be appreciative for partial allies when they are targets of your enemy.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  129. @Anon

    Probably only a few awards like the Pulitzer, the Fields, Emmys/Oscars (less valuable now), and the Nobel are worth it

    Yes, I would be honored to be counted among Pulitzer Prize winners like Walter Duranty, or Nobel Peace Prize winners like Yasser Arafat, Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres, Al Gore and Barack Obama. Those prizes are totally worth it. /s

    Let us not even speak of the Emmys and Oscars: what a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  130. @ScarletNumber

    I was involved with a program to create some kind of archive for Cooper Union in NYC and was amused to find a program from some graduation ceremony years ago where Dr. Cosby was given some kind of honorary degree. Big two page spread in the yearbook, but I don’t think it will be displayed at the archive. I remember thinking, it’s one thing to hand out a Grammy to Cosby, for an LP, but why go out of your way to give an award to a famous guy who will get you some press coverage now but who knows what will happen in later years?

  131. @PiltdownMan

    One of the few joys of watching the fall of Western Civilization is seeing these leftist intellectuals eaten by the mobs they spawned.

  132. @Anon

    I recall hearing that the Oscar ™ actually belongs to the academy, and can’t be sold or auctioned off, but all I can find is this:

    “Prior to 1950 Oscar statuettes were (and remain) the property of the recipient.[33] Since then the statuettes have been legally encumbered by the requirement that the statuette be first offered for sale back to the Academy for US$1. If a winner refuses to agree to this stipulation, then the Academy keeps the statuette. Academy Awards predating this agreement have been sold in public auctions and private deals for six-figure sums.[34]” — Wikipedia

    Not sure how this affects the question of whether they can claw it back.

  133. A logically consistent atheist can reject progressive utopianism along with traditional god beliefs because of his acceptance of the tragedy of the human condition. I gather that the British atheist John Gray holds a view like that. Perhaps Richard Dawkins should look look up Gray and talk to him about this kind of atheism.

  134. @Jonathan Mason

    Well, tough questions….

    My $0.02:

    1. She is genuine and sincere, but confused, still, about her condition. I don’t remember most things when I was even 6-7 years old. Tolstoy, on the other hand, remembered events when he was just a few months old/young baby (he died at 82)

    2. I understand she doesn’t talk about sensitive personal issues- this has been hard enough. Evidently, she is a functioning person (after all, she finished college/university), bookish (she read tons of books about her predicament). She is not schizo nor anything similar- otherwise, she couldn’t graduate.

    3. What I find, among other things, intriguing is the old question of identity & free will. Let’s dump religious stuff for now & try to be as rational and “scientific” as possible: who is she? Sexual identity for normal people is a given- she, on the other hand, was pulled from one identity to another.  Even worse are cases of Multiple Personality Disorder (now, they call it differently), when you can have 10-100 personalities. And as one personality, you are, say, allergic to some type of food or medicine. As another- not.

    Can we say she has free will? Of course, yes. She willed, for some time, to undergo hormone blah blah. But she postponed. Until gender dysphoria vanished. And what if it comes back? After 10-20 years, with her having 2-3 kids & wanting to be a man, again?

    Freud’s ramblings aside, one must be blind not to see that the unconscious rules- and we accept it when it gives us good stuff in life. If we fall in love & are infatuated- we are ecstatic, happy. But, we didn’t decide to fall in love, it’s just like Amor’s arrow has pierced our heart. In this case- we evidently don’t possess free will. But we are happy and don’t care. It is very different if we cannot get rid of compulsive behavior (alcohol, gambling,…).

    In sum- we tacitly assume we are sort of zombies of our unconscious, but we enjoy it if it brings happy stuff, and wail if we are unhappy.

    Don’t get me wrong, there is free will, but I think it just cannot be explained in human language (nor, I guess, be understood).

    But, back to tg/ts . What I read recently

    1. MtF were 80-90% & the rest FtM; now, it’s 50/50

    2. genuine dysphoric people have a bunch of other psycho conditions and lazy psychiatrists take an easy route to prescribe meds & surgery to them. It would be much more responsible to treat other conditions and wait until, say, 25

    3. there are lots of videos about transition regret, and people who are unhappy or suicidal usually don’t enter stats about glowing successes of transition, because they live isolated in quiet desperation

    4. sex reassignment surgery is very rare- contrary to what I had thought. Less than 1% of MtF and almost zero for FtM. Most surgeries, over 95%, are about breast, face & other body parts

    5. surprisingly- less than 15% of them are sex workers. I thought it was over 70%. Popular culture gives wrong impressions. Many work as doctors, engineers, economists,…

    6. for MtF, a rather strange bonus is asexuality. With estrogen, many men who had been compulsively screwing their wives or gfs- and felt disgust over it- simply lost most of the sex drive and were happy about it. They didn’t need a physical partner of nay sex/gender.

    7. why are there so many of them in Thailand & Brazil, and not so much elsewhere? Nobody knows.

    8. although they tried to discredit them, old theories still hold: early dysphoria is, for MtF, generally a drive to become a woman and to have physical, emotional,… relations exclusively with men; rapid onset dysphoria, from 18 to 50, say, is autogynephilia- one is narcissistic-ally obsessed with outer trappings of femininity (boobs, dressing, makeup,..) & may end up with women, men or no one.

    Needless to say, MtF don’t have normal female traits (maternal instinct, typical female sex fantasies about pregnancy etc.). FtM are very different- they don’t, basically (with some exceptions) want to be men (they don’t know what it is). They are more afraid of being women.

    9. hormone therapy has many risks we don’t know about fully (lowering of IQ, onset of numerous diseases,…). Doctors who write about it are usually stigmatized.

    10. what about them? Not numerous; here to stay; many are authentic, meaning they are really in a “wrong” body and some may attain a peace of mind with these ghastly procedures. My opinion is that they are different categories. So, for now, I’d say there are 5 genders: men, women, trans women, trans men & intersex.

    And it’s real, at least psychologically, although not carved in stone.

  135. Steven Pinker defines humanism as the promotion of human flourishing. White nationalists want normal white people to flourish in their own countries, so this would seem to make white nationalism a kind of pro-white humanism. And the concept does make logical sense, because anti-white humanists exist and promote hostility towards white people, notably S.T. Joshi, who writes for Free Inquiry magazine.

  136. @YetAnotherAnon

    Fly-blown sweaty nightmare, that vista. Anywhere that can grow grapes of any kind is far too hot for me. I draw the line at carrots.

    • Replies: @blake121666
  137. Organized atheism in the United States started out compromised from its beginning in the 1960’s because Madalyn Murray O’Hair stumbled into the role as America’s foremost atheist by default. Other public figures in that decade, for examples Ayn Rand and Isaac Asimov, openly disavowed belief in god; but they and similar people with leadership ability didn’t want the job, so Madalyn filled the void, despite her inadequate qualifications for the position, because she lacked inhibitions, she liked taking risks and she enjoyed the attention her behavior drew to her. In today’s world, when atheists in places like Tulsa can go online and attract fans through their blogs, YouTube channels and podcasts, a woman like Madalyn would fall into the middling ranks of atheist activists.

    Ironically American culture has changed in ways which put the leaders of all the various atheist, skeptic and humanist organizations into the position of having to defend their relevance now. Christianity has started to decline in the United States, and this has happened in “Hayekian” fashion: Organically, spontaneously, and without central planning to bring it about – a product of human action but not of human design. The nonbelievers’ organizations have played only a marginal role in this development.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  138. @Goingblankagain

    He fell into the Ring of Fire when he blundered, in his usual chippy and deliberately offensive way (slightly Spectrum, I guess? Goes with his trade more often than not) into the Pinkhairs Purge of online “atheism”.
    His “dear Muslima” tweet of piece on his website or whatever, years ago. 2012?
    Sent them off the deep end. No less a personage than the walking mozzarella ball, Rebecca Watson, and her turboSimp Little Paulie Myers sent their entire coterie of genuine slavering lunatics after him, for years.

    Now all the “atheists”* hate him, whether pro or con “Elevatorgate”, due to his attempts to walk it back a bit and pander to all sides (a.k.a. “appearing Rational”, he claimed; not “arselicking” as the English more often spell it).

    *They’re not atheists. None of them, pro-Dawky Dick or agin him. They care just a little too much about it all. Some kind of ultra-puritan, po-mo American cult, with hatred of God being substituted for love of God in an unseemly and passionate fury.

  139. jamie b. says:
    @Lem

    He tried to reassure the reader of The Extended Phenotype (a book full of unnerving examples of parasitic manipulation) that he was only talking about animals.

    He did no such thing.

  140. Wilkey says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I don’t think the report dealt with the question of “racist rape gangs”, because organized crime is not considered to be ‘institutional’ and is not officially approved.

    The institutional racism there was in the fact that every single one of the governments of these Labour-controlled cities covered up and ignored the crimes of these rape gangs for years.

    If ignoring the crimes perpetrated by members of a particular race because of their race is not “institutional racism” then I don’t know what the hell is.

    Even now it’s an open question as to whether the immigrant men convicted of these crimes will ever be deported.

    Nobody denies that there are some racists in Britain. The majority in the referendum vote on Brexit was largely fueled by xenophobia–that is hardly a secret.

    Well you call it xenophobia, but the rest of us call it sanity.

    Britain was (and is) being overwhelmed by large numbers of immigrants who do not respect or care for the people of Brtiain, its culture or its traditions. The people wisely voted to turn off the spigot.

    The Brexit vote happened while the 2015 migrant crisis was still fresh in everyone’s mind, and to some degree was still actually occurring. It happened just months after a bombing in Brussels that killed 32 and the attacks in Paris that killed 130 and injured over 400 others.

  141. David M says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    “atheism is a religion” the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    That’s funny, but doesn’t quite work. If you don’t collect stamps, you don’t spend a lot of time mocking those who do or working up explanations for why collecting stamps is bad for humanity. You just don’t think about it. Atheists think about religion an awful lot.

    They spend their time trying to prove that the stamps don’t exist.

  142. @Steve Sailer

    Better question: when is someone going to notice (i.e., belly ache about) this tidbit:

    “The best known award is the Academy Award of Merit, more popularly known as the Oscar statuette.[8] Made of gold-plated bronze on a black metal base, it is 13.5 in (34.3 cm) tall, weighs 8.5 lb (3.856 kg), and depicts a knight rendered in Art Deco style holding a crusader’s sword…” — Wikipedia

  143. Paleoconn says:

    He got attacked a few years ago for stating his preference for the sound of church bells over that of the Muslim call to prayer, and repented with glowing praise for Angela Saini’s pseudoscientific book.

  144. @Harry Baldwin

    Exactly. Shakespeare of course said it best: ” The lady doth protest too much, methinks ”

  145. 68W58 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Bless him for that, but probably too little, too late.

  146. @Spud Boy

    All that you say is true about Twitter–however, looking the Evil straight in the eye is always constructive.

  147. @Almost Missouri

    When other commenters snipe at me for saying I’ve never met a sincere atheist, this is the kind of thing I’m talking about.

    I don’t believe the God fantasy. That’s a fact. In what way am I not “sincere”?

  148. @Lem

    Dawkins self-cancelled decades ago, when he gave up on the work he started with The Selfish Gene and The Extended Phenotype to become a professional atheist.

    He tried to reassure the reader of The Extended Phenotype (a book full of unnerving examples of parasitic manipulation) that he was only talking about animals. But it’s obvious that his ideas effortlessly transfer to our parasites. He couldn’t continue this line of inquiry without getting in trouble, and being the brilliant mind he was back then, he knew it.

    You’re correct about the import of his work in this regard. Jim Bowery thinks something happened to him:

    https://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2017/03/but-then-greg-cochrans-kind-of-dim.html

    Something very bad happened to Dawkins upon writing “The Extended Phenotype. He derailed into the 19th century controversy between fundamentalist religion and evolutionary theory — abandoning anything resembling original thinking. Why did he anticipate, at least implicitly, a revolution in sociobiology by 25 years, and then promptly become effectively so brain-dead that he couldn’t even recognize when that revolution had come to fruition? It’s almost as though he had become possessed by some external interest that didn’t want that line of thought to develop — at least not when Boomers were just reaching reproductive (marriage) age. And what a reproductive catastrophe that turned out to be!

  149. Moral of the story: don’t accept awards that can be taken back.

    What makes you think Dawkins’ award can be taken back?

  150. @Supply and Demand

    Roughly 100% of the best thinkers in this country voted for Trump.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
  151. @Reg Cæsar

    England: check
    Richard: check
    Daw: check
    Dawson: buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  152. @Achmed E. Newman

    If there’s a lot of money involved (Nobel prize?) then, sure, it’s gone.

    Gone where?

    AFAIK, after the check is cashed the Nobel people are SOL if they want it back.

    And there’s no need to make up stories about the wife losing the statuette or plaque, either.

    Dawkins is still the recipient of the 1996 Humanist of the Year award and no one can stop him or anyone else from saying so.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  153. @Jonathan Mason

    Nobody denies that there are some racists in Britain.

    *I* deny that there are any *British* racists in Britain. The aggressee can’t be racist.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  154. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anon

    Will there come a time when the more prestigious awards revoke honors given to previous recipients?

    It’s an absolute certainty. Within the next five years if not sooner.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
  155. @Greta Handel

    Oh, the 1996 Humanist of the Year slot won’t remain open forever. My buddy Winston is preparing an article about Comrade Ogilvy’s humanistic achievements that’ll make him a shoo-in.

  156. @Jonathan Mason

    But when you are coming up against people like fundamentalist preachers and wokeists who are intellectually dishonest and in the business of manipulating the masses

    He has been writing books since the 70s and has never gone after the race denying narrative of the establishment.

    He has meticulously poured over all kinds of fossil development to undermine creationism but lets the colleges teach Boasnian Anthropology.

    So I think Dawkins knows exactly what he is doing

    Yes, he knows he has to sell books that undermine the fundamentalist preachers while reinforcing the fundamentalist secular egalitarians.

    He is no different than some fundamentalist megachurch book seller. Dawkins knows full well that pointing out the BS of the leftist campus prophets (Gould, Boas, Diamond) would ruin his reputation. The NYTimes would scream WAYCISS and his name would be ruined. So he plays this dishonest game of supporting the establishment while pretending to undermine some mythical creationist hegemony that was never taken seriously on any public campus.

  157. @Jonathan Mason

    “The majority in the referendum vote on Brexit was largely fueled by xenophobia–that is hardly a secret.”

    I would dispute that, although various terrorist attacks and Merkel’s Million Muslim Males certainly didn’t help. What did for them was the collapse in working class wages after Blair opened the borders to the A8 countries.

    Real male median wages in the UK were lower in 2016 than they were in 1997, nearly twenty years before, while real house prices had doubled. 2016 Britain was a paradise for landlords, agencies and employers, a nightmare for working people, especially the unskilled*.

    This is a comment from that era, on a left wing website.

    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2010/05/15/the-unfairness-of-ed-miliband/#comment-133052

    Over the last 13 years, we have seen the employment rights of those at the lower end of the employment market being eroded to the point where people can be sacked on a whim. Inevitably that has meant that an underclass in the labour force has developed. These people have been ousted from the market as East Europeans have consistently out competed them.

    Where I live, there is a meat packing plant that has provided many with stable employment over the decades. Of course, with the large influx of Eastern Europeans they have steadily displaced the locals from this factory and there is a surplus of labour in the area. Employment agencies have descended on the area like vultures and almost completely ‘causalised’ the workforce around West Lothian to the extent that the job centres are littered with zero hour contract jobs.

    A friend of mine who has worked in said plant for over thirty years sees young men coming in on the Monday work for three hours, then sent home to sit by the phone in case they are needed during the week.

    This was exactly the type of thing the Labour Party was set up to tackle. These conditions, nauseatingly described as ‘modernisation’ show up the failings of the NL ‘project’. Whilst they were swanning about getting middle class men in public sector jobs paternity leave, ordinary working class people watched as their terms and conditions were slashed to Victorian levels. These people (rightly or wrongly) immigration undercuts their living standards. Is it right that in this country that we have reduced people to that of day labourers?

    * despite Brexit, real median male wages are still below 1997 levels – or they were in 2020.

  158. Dissident says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    As a parent I would rather have my children raised in Christianity, even though I do not actually believe in the supernatural aspects of Christianity myself.

    What about Anglicanism? Does the Church of England believe in any of the supernatural aspects of Christianity? How far back must one go to find a time when said entity could credibly claim such belief, or even purported to?
    (I’m thinking of a particular segment that I recall from an edition of Radio Derb from several years ago.)

    Hopefully they would absorb and internalize some of the ethical aspects of Christian morality, such as the Golden rule and the Sermon on the mount, before they thought their way out of the supernatural aspects of religion.

    Without belief in a transcendent source/authority/arbiter, can there

    [MORE]
    be any conception or standard of morality that, ultimately, is not relative, subjective and even instrumental?

    The Golden Rule? Consider: Those who insist that they would have gladly consented, if only they had the ability, to having been aborted while still in the womb, vs. those who insist the very opposite. Same with regard to euthanasia: Those who insist that they would, once reaching a certain age or state of cognitive or physical decline, gladly consent to being euthanized, vs. those who insist the very opposite. And those are just the two most salient and obvious examples that immediately come to mind. There are plenty of other cases, as well, that similarly defy the simple, intuitive, unambiguous clarity implied in the Golden Rule construct as you have invoked it.

    The problem comes about when adult religious fanatics want to impose laws on secular democracies that are based on religious dogma or tradition rather than on science.

    1.) Is it only religious fanatics that create problems and pose threats for those who, relative to the fanatics at least, are more moderate and reasonable? Are fanatics in general, whether religious or secular, rightist or leftist, liberal or conservative, etc., etc., not problematic to any society?

    2.) Is Science! any less dogmatic or potentially dangerous than its True Believers accuse anyone else (whether with or without justification) of being?

    3.) Wasn’t the inclusion of adult in your statement superfluous? Would child or adolescent religious fanatics, if given the power to “impose laws on secular democracies that are based on religious dogma or tradition rather than on science” pose any less of a threat from your perspective?

    I am not advocating persecution of ladyboys or he-women, or putting them on show in circuses, and agree that one should be compassionate towards persons who are confused about their sex or gender, but they should not be allowed to dictate to mainstream culture about who can use which public toilet from their disordered stance.

    Haven’t you completely sidestepped there what is the far more salient question at the moment, one that is truly urgent? Namely, to what extent should what are at best the whims and at worst the psychotic delusions of troubled, confused minorschildren and adolescents— be indulged and affirmed? The Woke orthodoxy has decreed that such unfortunate youngsters must be prescribed puberty-blocking hormones or even be surgically mutilated, and that anyone who so much as questions the decree is a hateful, dangerous, abusive reprobate.

    Is that not of far greater concern and consequence than any questions of how much such whims and delusions in adults should be indulged and affirmed? (Not to trivialize the latter in its own right, only to call for proper perspective and priorities.)

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Jonathan Mason
  159. @anon

    The ACM has apologised but said they can’t take away his award away.

    I’m not actually seeing this said at the grovel you link to.

  160. Nachum says:

    “simultaneously attacking Black identity as one that can be assumed when convenient”

    Um, that’s exactly the opposite of the point he was making. The Woke are either stupid, lack a sense of irony, or both.

  161. @Jonathan Mason

    Nobody denies that there are some racists in Britain. The majority in the referendum vote on Brexit was largely fueled by xenophobia–that is hardly a secret.

    The implied slur is noted by me with contempt.

    I will merely note, from Google (which uses OED, I believe):

    xen·o·pho·bi·a
    /ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/

    noun
    dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
    “the resurgence of racism and xenophobia”

    …and that dislike is not in any meaningful sense racist.

  162. When Dawkins made that post, he didn’t expect the Trannish Inquisition.

  163. As I said long time ago about these people …

    Regarding the books of popular atheists (Dennett, Hitchens, Dawkins, ..) the result would be:

    They are good at criticizing traditional religions as something backward anchored in ignorance, fear and fanaticism. Also, in the critique of uncritical gullibility that flourishes in religious (and not only religious) circles – uncritical mind, blind following, acceptance of various miracles and deceptions, modern quasi-spiritualism, astrology and similar fables

    So, they are actually attacking two wings – traditionalist religious zombieism and New Age gullibility

    Of the more famous scientists who have declared themselves to be non-theists, there are several nuances, and on the edges would be:

    It is unlikely that all these Zeus, Yahweh..exist because they are too entangled in the old erroneous cosmologies, ignorance and fears. The stage has become too big for a small human drama. However, an attitude of indifference would be desirable, as in Protagoras – nothing can be said for sure about the nature of the gods because human life is too short, and the question itself is unclear. Everything suggests that religions are a product of the human spirit – but that is not what should burden scientists and any researcher, because nothing can be done about it. (Feynman)

    From our contemporary perspective, it is obvious that religions are a failure, something like the measles of humanity and that mature people, as well as adults, should actively oppose these scammers (popes, snake oil peddlers, windbags) because they are the poisoners of humanity and, if not the root of all evil, yet something that causes a bad life and is an extension of infantilism, hence a mixture of stupidity and evil will, in various proportions. Staying on the emotional-mental level of a three-year-old is no life (Dawkins, Sean Carroll, Harris, ..)

    But the weakness of their criticism is that:

    They do not know the enemy. No one has read, e.g., serious theologians, nor non-materialistically-oriented philosophers. Atheist preachers are imaginatively and emotionally less developed. With some exceptions, these are people without strong passions and who have not, with minor exceptions, gone through excruciatingly difficult life situations. But even without that – their imagination and mental culture are limited.

    Pop-atheists know nothing about geniuses who are neither gullible nor orthodox bores and what they were and are (Plato, Leibniz, Descartes, Hegel, Bergson, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, Husserl, ..). They do not even know a serious intellectual atheistic tradition (Epicurus, Hume, Stirner, Marx, Nietzsche, Camus, ..)

    Apart from religion, they have, I would say – except perhaps Hitchens – no ear for art, so it remains strange and incomprehensible to them how Michelangelo, Dante, Bach, Goethe, Whitman … drew in creativity from religious motives and spirit. That remains terra incognita to them. Because religion is just, according to their simplistic cartoons, nothing but fear, ignorance and insanity. They preach humanism (they also have a Humanist Manifesto) – but it is not clear why that would be the case. Why wouldn’t a consistent atheist be a nihilist, like Nietzsche, and perceive life as a tragedy rather than a pastime free from the religious shackles of antiquity? They constantly suggest that they are moral-OK- but it is not clear why they insist on it so much (well, we know, because of the religious nutjobs constantly drumming how atheists are actually evil. This nebulous position is easily refuted, but intellectually- it is not clear that atheism and scientism would necessitate any morality, neither egoistic nor altruistic. Nothing follows at all).

    Dawkins seems to me a popularizer, entertainer, … not quite a scientist. Actually, the entire evolutionary theory is both impressive & somehow weak, fuzzy, full of holes …. Darwin has more similarity to Descartes than to Newton, and the road to Maxwell, Einstein, Heisenberg, … is not yet in sight.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
  164. Clyde says:

    What a shame and a disgrace about Dawkins. I am not an atheist but like a lot of what he has to say. He has been critical of Islam for at least a decade. This vastly irritated his liberal minions. This is a case of the lower IQ’s jealousy, so these Lilliputians attack Gulliver. They have nothing on Dawkins but the PC trash circulating in their minds, that they acquired in university from their diseased professors.

    Obviously Dawkins has not been sucking up to The Man enough. The black man and his BLM tantrums. And the trans-tranny accusations? Puleeeese! What a farce.

  165. tyrone says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    “Am I the only one that finds it funny that Dawkins was cancelled by the AHA board. ” NO, I got a couple of chuckles,…..also Psalms 37:13 has something to say about the wicked.

  166. NOTA says:
    @Firefinga

    The problem with heretics is that they refuse your dogma, too.

  167. @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan, there is no need to apologize or lament introducing Christianity to your children, What Christ stood for is a good way to go through life. Various sects and denominations unfortunately are the politics of religion. Most often they demonstrate a need to control. Religion is a belief in a set of principles. I am not a theologian but as St. Thomas Aquinas taught, it’s hard to think that all we see around us happened without a higher power. I will leave it at that. Stay safe my friend.

  168. @Jack D

    Jack, Gold border, even though I don’t possess that power.

  169. @El Dato

    El Dato, one man’s xenophobia is another man’s secure border. When I, a documented citizen of the United States, have to produce and provide proof of citizenship at the Canadian border does that make Canadians xenophobes or rule followers?

    • Replies: @El Dato
  170. NOTA says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah this seems bizarre to me, too. Maybe you are now sorry you gave the guy the award, but that doesn’t mean you can rewrite history now. If I were Dawkins, I’d put a big picture of me receiving the award on the front page of my website, with a big banner saying “Me, receiving the AHA award in 1996.” I might just make an extra effort to make sure everyone knows about the association between us, maybe include some quotes from their 1996 statement on the award. Maybe also take a current picture with the award and a big grin on my face. Maybe work in how proud I am of the award in my public appearances on podcasts and such.

    What could the AHA possibly say to this? This all happened, so it’s not like they can claim he’s lying.

    So, so many institutions are flushing their credibility down the drain in stupid ideological purity competitions. This is probably rational for the folks trying to gain or keep power in those organizations, but who’s going to take them seriously in the future?

    I was an ACLU supporter for about 20 years–despite many disagreements with them, I thought their commitment to free speech was worth supporting. They seem to have lost interest in free speech, in favor of signaling their wokeness. And so, they lost my contributions. The only thing they had goong for them was a consistent commitment to a set of principles, they abandoned those principles for current popularity, so what value do they have? Like salt that has lost its flavor….

  171. El Dato says:
    @anon

    Ullmann’s stance is clearly from Neocon.txt but hey, give this man his award. He could have explained theorems to Hitler, I couldn’t care less. I don’t even want to know what other political ideas he espouses.

    The funny thing is that the ACM would risk getting attacked by the Aggressive Defamation League if they backtracked in this case. Can’t please everybody, that’s what happens when politics is left in the door.

    Response: The Selection Criteria for the A.M. Turing Award emphasize technical achievement and lasting impact. ACM has already begun to design a process that explicitly takes ACM values into account in all award decisions. We will continue to check into the professional background of award nominees. Recognizing that ACM might not have access to all such information, we will enhance the nomination form beginning with the next ACM awards cycle later this year. Award Nominators and Endorsers will be required to indicate whether they know of any ACM Code of Ethics violations or behavior inconsistent with ACM values [which can change, natch], and any positive responses will initiate further examination of the suitability of the candidate for the award [please send tips to [email protected], eh?]. We will publish full details about this process for ACM awards before the next award cycle begins.

    NEXT TIME WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE CHOSEN ONE IS PURER!

    It will never, ever stop.

  172. @anon

    True dat, but demographics are almost identical

    • Replies: @anon
  173. El Dato says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    I would say it makes them people who believe in borders.

  174. @Reg Cæsar

    Öhh – no. Not in reality, that is. Philosophers are not at all in the top drawer when it comes to corruption.
    As – Jonathan Haidt, if I remember well, publicly remarked: Philosophers have fewer conflicts of interest with regard to all kinds of grants and lab-support money, etc. because a) they need not much money to philosophize. And b) almost all living ones are rathe unpopular anyhow.

  175. @gandydancer

    AFAIK, after the check is cashed the Nobel people are SOL if they want it back.

    That’s what I meant by “it’s gone”, GD. I didn’t express myself well there. Well the stories like that are fun. They would be silly to actually demand some physical prize back, but everything they are up to is silly, silly and evil.

    As for your last sentence, I don’t care at all about Dawkins or this Humanist of the Year award (had never heard of it and didn’t want to). However, what they will do is change history in the Orwellian sense. So, yeah, you go on the website in a month, and either the 1996 entry says RESCINDED, has dashes, or even tells the story of evil Richard Dawkins and why he has been cancelled.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, were I Mr. Dawkins, I’d agree it’s my award and f__k ’em, but again, I don’t care.

    I agree with what NOTA wrote.

  176. And nothing of value was lost.

  177. @Almost Missouri

    Most so called “atheism” is just sophomore-tier Christian heresy.

    An increasing number of atheists are atheist for the simple reason that their parents are atheists. Or their parents called themselves Christians(perhaps to please their own parents) but never attended church, prayed, or taught them about the religious doctrine they supposedly believe in. But the Christian fundamentalist is convinced that every atheist must be someone who attended Sunday school and decided at some point to become an atheist as some kind of “statement.”

    • Agree: photondancer
    • Replies: @advancedatheist
  178. @Wilkey

    Mr. Mason goes along with the Lyin’ Press narratives. He doesn’t spend so much time on these details, and he left England anyway, so he’s not too awful worried about all these piddly problems you mention. If these same problems somehow manifest themselves in the US, then he’ll high-tail it down to Ecuador for good. He’ll be alright. Don’t worry about Jonathan Mason.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  179. @Jonathan Mason

    The problem comes about when adult religious fanatics want to impose laws on secular democracies that are based on religious dogma or tradition rather than on science.

    So how are the new secular authorities improving the handling of marriage over what the old “fanatics” did?

    The Vatican pointed to an apostolic address in which the pope said there is no “foundation for assimilating or establishing analogies” between same-sex unions and “God’s plan for marriage and family.”

    Vatican forbids Catholic priests from blessing same-sex unions

    In contrast:

    Map of one of those “twin relics of barbarism” today.

    SELF-BLAME AND THE TWIN RELICS OF BARBARISM

  180. anon[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @BB753

    The Revolution will end when the woke end up in an intestine war nobody can possibly win

    I have a gut feeling that will be a pretty crappy situation.

    • LOL: BB753
  181. @Bragadocious

    You just hate Brits, I don’t know why.

  182. @Anonymous

    That flag would mean you want to use your White Privilege to dehumanize POCs and the LBGT-LMNOP-WXYZ crowd.

  183. @Reg Cæsar

    That was scriptwriter Ted Tally. Thomas Harris actually wrote “fava beans and a big Amarone,” but they were worried that a mainstream audience would have no idea what that was.

  184. Harold says:

    ‘[…] guise of scientific discourse to demean marginalized groups’

    My dictionary says ‘marginalise’ means, ‘treat (a person, group, or concept) as insignificant or peripheral’

    We all know that blacks, sorry Blacks, and Trans are always treated as insignificant, practically ignored altogether.

  185. NickG says:
    @Anon

    Question: Will there come a time when the more prestigious awards revoke honors given to previous recipients? Maybe Vivian Leigh loses her Oscar one day.

    What can one say…other that fiddle dee dee!

  186. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    demographics are almost identical

    How do you know that?

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  187. @Patrick McNally

    He is constantly virtue signaling on Twitter, I’d say a near certainty he will grovel and apologize, he’s too far gone.

  188. anon[166] • Disclaimer says:

    On Topic, may Science be praised!

  189. @Alexander Turok

    Christians don’t seem to understand how atheism works. Does someone grow up as a Christian, then he wakes up one morning and perversely decides to have a “meaningless” life from then on as an atheist?

    Or does he more likely realize that the Christian theory of meaning makes no sense, so that meaning becomes an open question again?

    As for nth-generational atheists, the ones I’ve met have problems like everyone else, but in some respects they come out ahead of the game by not ever having to deal with the make-believe problems created by traditional religions. Imagine growing up without the fear of going to hell in the afterlife.

  190. @PiltdownMan

    From your link:

    [Luke Muehlhauser] Christopher Hitchens in his book gives a very famous atheistic retort to Christians who offer God as an explanation for fine-tuning or whatever. Hitchens says, basically, “Well then who made God? Who designed the designer? To offer God as an explanation is to explain nothing, because it leaves himself unexplained.” Now this is a very popular atheist retort, and it’s totally wrong… See, in order for something to be the best explanation for something we observe, we don’t also need to have an explanation of the explanation.

    What follows is an unintelligible. wrong-headed analogy of dubious relevance.

    Count me unimpressed by this example of “exposure to… philosophical thought or religious or theological training”. It seems to have only made this person dumber.

  191. Atheism shows an implicit arrow of time, from nearly nonexistent atheists in the past, to numerous atheists now, to possibly universal atheists in the future. The growing visibility of atheists gives Christians the creeps because we look like an invasion of time travelers from an advanced civilization in the future after Christianity and other traditional religions have disappeared.

    Of course this process generates something analogous to “growing pains.” It must have taken our hunter-gatherer ancestors several generations to learn that they had to stop listening to the voices in nature, like the talking snake in the most famous myth in the Old Testament, and to reorient their spirituality around the new gods of settled agricultural life. No doubt the first Protestant and Reformed Christians also struggled to stop worshipping the Virgin Mary and the saints. Today we have just extended this process to the struggle to stop worshipping and obsessing over the remaining god and just live in the world of humanity from now on.

  192. Bert says:
    @James J O'Meara

    Dawkins has done virtually no empirical research and nothing theoretical except verbal models. He is however an excellent popularizer whose gene-centric view of evolution is simply a take-off from population genetics. William Provine, the preeminent historian of population genetics, near the end of his career opined that population genetics was the wrong emphasis for the best explication of evolution, yet it continues to dominate the field because it is reductionist, and reduction generates research careers.

  193. @Observator

    …it remains true that “atheism is a religion” the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.

    Closer analogy: NOT believing that the world you experience is a simulation being run in some computer is not a religion, either.

    • Replies: @Joe Magarac
  194. @BB753

    The Revolution will end when the woke end up in an intestine war nobody can possibly win.

    ” internecine”?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @BB753
  195. @YetAnotherAnon

    You just hate Brits, I don’t know why.

    They introduced abolitionism to the world.

    At least Mr Taylor blames the right people. Most Southerners go on and on about “Yankees”.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  196. @gandydancer

    The Revolution will end when the woke end up in an intestine war nobody can possibly win.

    ” internecine”?

    Nah, he meant “intestine”. Have fortitude…

    • LOL: BB753
  197. @YetAnotherAnon

    LOL does anyone like the British? Name one country that does.

    It is funny how thin-skinned you all are. People like Dawkins are the haters. The moment any American responds, you Brits try to flip the script. Your tactics are tired and predictable.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    , @John Johnson
  198. @gandydancer

    If the universe is a simulation, what is it a simulation of?

    A real universe? Which is in turn a simulation etc.

    Wow man that’s heavy.

  199. KPFA, my local hippie not for profit radio station was going to interview Dawkins for the umpteenth time and called it off because he was under attack by the Muslims because of something direct he said about their religion. Ironically, he can say anything he wanted about Christians and that was ok but I think old feminists thought better of it and cancelled it. The best part is that these geriatric liberals still like to think of themselves as “speaking truth to power” and radical democracy but they have been so cowed by ethnic / racial / non-westerners that they are completely unable to do anything other than bitch about white men.

  200. Wilkey says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Unlike Tiny Duck and the even weirder trolls among us, Mason actually manages to write intelligent comments from time to time, which is why I bother responding to him.

    It’s completely bizarre to me that anyone can look at what’s happening in the USA right now and not think that mass immigration and “diversity” isn’t a recipe for civilizational suicide.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  201. Matra says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s part of his try-hard Irish-American identity.

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  202. Wilkey says:
    @Bragadocious

    LOL does anyone like the British? Name one country that does.

    Maybe few people admit to liking the British, but plenty of people actually do like them. FFS, Africans and Muslims are throwing themselves on rafts, being barely rescued in the Mediterranean, marching across Europe to France, then throwing themselves on boats yet again just to get to Britain.

    Again: they are jumping on boats to get away from France.

    I was literally just speaking to a colleague a few hours ago about how beautiful France is, but these people are risking drowning in the English Channel in order to get to England.

    Hollywood may make most of the movies these days, but a huge percentage of what those American-made movies are selling is British culture.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
    , @Clyde
  203. @Redneck farmer

    What a stupid comment. Atheists are the most humble people on Earth. They will tell you to your face that they are nothing more than sacks of flesh and bone, and that when they die they will become rotting sacks of flesh and bone, and face eternal oblivion(annihilation).

    It is *you* theists that are incredibly arrogant, believing that your True Self is not a biological brain, but rather a “God particle” that has all of the attributes of a true god, like being eternal, immortal, beyond time and space and the laws of physics. So who is “holier than thou” here? The guy that believes that he is just the product of the laws of physics and physiological processes, or the guy that thinks he is an eternal god beyond time and space?

    There is no evidence of God or gods, or anything that can’t be measured, defined, that obeys the laws of causality and is testable for it. “God” not only breaks *all* the rules elucidated above, but is not even a falsifiable hypothesis. All that atheists do is:

    “Show me the evidence. And if you don’t have any, at least present a logically plausible hypothesis to justify your belief that is testable in some way.”

    But theists have *neither* . Grow up and accept your mortality, instead of pretending that there is a daddy(God) that will take care of you and never allow you or your loved ones to cease existing. Religion is basically people reverting to an infantile state and hoping that daddy will make everything alright.

  204. @Reg Cæsar

    Link returns:

    “Something went wrong, but don’t fret — let’s give it another shot.”

    Sorbo has been exiled beyond the pale of social media. Technological pogrom.

  205. @Wilkey

    Not “civilizational suicide”, it’s murder when it is being done by someone to someone else.

  206. Maybe few people admit to liking the British, but plenty of people actually do like them. FFS, Africans and Muslims are throwing themselves on rafts, being barely rescued in the Mediterranean, marching across Europe to France, then throwing themselves on boats yet again just to get to Britain.

    That has nothing to do with liking the British.

    They simply think their chances are better in Britain because there are more Africans to hide among and the British are wimps about immigration.

    Hollywood may make most of the movies these days, but a huge percentage of what those American-made movies are selling is British culture.

    Like what? Most American movies are garbage and having nothing to do with the British.

  207. @YetAnotherAnon

    I didn’t see Grimm’s tweet when I first read this post but I really like the analogy of gender self-identity to transubstantiation. I will make sure I use it in future discussions with the woke on this topic, especially since they invariably condemn actual religious beliefs (such as the Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation) as superstitious nonsense.

  208. @Bragadocious

    It is funny how thin-skinned you all are. People like Dawkins are the haters. The moment any American responds, you Brits try to flip the script. Your tactics are tired and predictable.

    Look at how many anti-Western atheists they have produced.

    Britain churns out these celebrity atheists that are smart enough to write a book about creationists but dumb enough to not see the bigger picture regarding Western society and the place of religion.

    I saw one on a British talk show who was talking about sodomizing his wife. A real class act.

    Britain is going to look like a third world Arabia but the Brits will turn on the tele to watch an atheist make fun of some American creationist that no one cared about in the first place. That way they will feel special. Race and evolution? OH WE CANT ABOUT THAT CAUSE…UM…WELL U KNOW.

    The last White Brit is going to feel smug and superior to Americans as an Arab rapes his wife.

    I absolutely loathe the British. They are the worst possible combination which is British royal weakness and faggotry combined with American race denial. Most of the British Whites still haven’t figured out that American TV and Universities are lying about race. They are still waiting for their diversity check to arrive in the mail.

  209. @Harry Baldwin

    Sure, but all those incidents date from 10 or more years ago. The SJWs were a lot weaker and scattered back then, and he was younger. The opposition is a great deal stronger and unified now. I hope he remains as ornery as ever but sometimes people decide they’re just too old for all this.

    I’m beginning to wonder if those who blame social media for the current mess are onto something, because I don’t really see what else has massively changed in the last decade other than the use of smart phones and social media becoming near universal among most westerners.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @dfordoom
  210. @Harry Baldwin

    Some atheists do. I don’t and none of my atheist friends do either. Just because a few have made a career out of proclaiming their atheism doesn’t mean we all do.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  211. @Reg Cæsar

    At least Mr Taylor blames the right people. Most Southerners go on and on about “Yankees”.

    It wasn’t the British who launched the War of Northern Aggression.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  212. @Wilkey

    Hollywood may make most of the movies these days, but a huge percentage of what those American-made movies are selling is British culture.

    Comic books are British culture? Who knew?

  213. Clyde says:
    @Wilkey

    Again: they are jumping on boats to get away from France.
    I was literally just speaking to a colleague a few hours ago about how beautiful France is, but these people are risking drowning in the English Channel in order to get to England.

    France and Germany have been very good to these errant third worlders. France even legitimatized polygamy, so that a Muslim’s wives B, C and D can extract their Allah mandated, deserved welfare payments. The infidel’s nations always owe all-every Muslim. Same as the Afros over here.

    These third worlders get onto motorized rubber dinghies to England because they happen to have relatives, friends and connections there in UK. And they saw them on their phones doing great. Even having white girlfriends. Another reason is that the UK social welfare system is more generous than in France and Germany. I hear this, cannot confirm this.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
  214. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    All the celebrity atheists have maintained the taboo of race for the establishment. They also give Islam a pass while depicting Christianity as some massive mind control device while hilariously depicting Western liberalism as free thinking.

    In reality, Dawkins called Islam “the greatest force for evil in the world today.” But don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative. Religionists have lost the religion/atheism debate on its own merits. All they have left is the idea that religion is necessary as a “bulwark” against some undesirable thing, whether it’s communism, wokeism, or some other variety of religious superstition. And they’re gonna lose that one to, for every story about some atheist group cancelling a fellow atheist for insufficient wokeness there’s a story of a Christian group doing the same:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/mit-catholic-chaplain-canceled-for-not-worshipping-st-george-floyd-fervently-enough

  215. @gandydancer

    It wasn’t the British who launched the War of Northern Aggression.

    Oh. But the penetration of Ohio’s borders to capture Parthena and Patience Chinn (1835) and Peggy Garner (1856), or of Massachusetts’s for Thomas Sims (1851) and Anthony Burns (1854), that was perfectly peaceful. No invasion there. Sovereignty for me, not for thee.

    Burns made it to Upper Canada. It would have been much easier to nab him there than in Boston. For some reason, they couldn’t bring themselves to do it.

    They had too much respect for the British.

    • Replies: @gandydancer
  216. Wilkey says:
    @Clyde

    Point taken. But there’s a pretty widespread love for British – and particularly English – culture that is unmistakable. It is hard to argue that the British are hated. When they are hated it is mostly because they are envied. Even my diehard Irish college dorm mate soaked up pretty much every British show that was on TV. And there’s a people with a real reason to hate the British.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  217. Shango says:
    @Nodwink

    Him of all people? For what!?

  218. Shango says:
    @Supply and Demand

    What is wrong with his theology?

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  219. @Expletive Deleted

    It’s probably the Spring Lake Winery by Niagara Falls.

    Northern climes grow grapes and have wineries too, fyi.

    https://newyorkwineevents.com/new-yorks-10-best-wineries/

  220. Dissident says:
    @photondancer

    Just because a few have made a career out of proclaiming their atheism doesn’t mean we all do.

    That is indeed a valid point that bears mention here.

    Similarly, with regard to Jews. The typically particularly obnoxious and conspicuous examples that get highlighted here tend to be at least considerably less representative

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    than those citing them imply or would even allow. Additionally, the grandiose statements of any number of ambitious individuals and groups notwithstanding, it has been centuries since there has been any entity that could credibly claim to speak for Jewry as a whole. (Not that there is really even any such single, coherent, unified entity to speak-of. The numerous and often wildly diverse and opposing factions and subsets that fall under the extremely broad umbrella-term “Jews” cannot even agree on how to define a Jew.)

  221. Clyde says:
    @Wilkey

    You did me better about more third worlders know more about English culture than French and German. Then also the English language. An aspiring illegal immigrant Iranian or African, he is more likely to know some English, might even be a good English speaker. Having been educated in it at home. So England will be his prime destination in Europe. Why go to Germany where he will have to learn German from scratch and be ridiculed for his accent?

    The DM (UK Daily Mail) frequently covers these illegals and their boat rides from France to the English coast. The most recent one I read, it was aspiring Iranians. And they generally have high IQs.

    For a much larger racket/scam read up on how English Pakistanis just about only marry ($$$$$) brides and grooms from Pakistan. IIRC it is Denmark that cracked down on this type of nefarious exploitation of their immigration system.

  222. @ben tillman

    Laugh all you want, “Supply and Demand”, but it’s an obvious fact that you are too stupid to grasp.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  223. anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @photondancer

    I’m beginning to wonder if those who blame social media for the current mess are onto something,..

    Dopamine hits are dopamine hits are dopamine hits. A rat trips a lever and gets a food pellet; a junkie hears the ringtone tied to the dealer and wants to make a buy; a gamer levels up; someone on Facebook gets a like, someone on Twatter gets agreement, someone on Insta gets…

    Instant pleasure, one way or another. Ragepoasting can be just as addictive as some other things. It all feeds on itself.

    For further details, although only chemical issues. see:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23214265-the-biology-of-desire

  224. @3g4me

    @20 Piltdown Man: Oh, another numinous Negro revered by ‘muh principles’ Whites. If he’s your ‘brother,’ then who are your people?

    It was meant to be a sardonic dig at Cornel West’s ostentatious habit of prefacing black people’s names with an honorific “brother” or “sister.”

  225. dfordoom says: • Website
    @S. Anonyia

    Atheists generally think about religion way more than agnostics and irreligious people do.

    Do they? Judging by the UR commentariat Christians seem positively obsessed by atheism.

  226. Ian Smith says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I used to be a very active atheist. I noticed that atheism attracts a lot of strident midwits. A lot of atheists I knew would go on and on about how dumb creationists were, and after awhile it struck me as being akin to being proud that you’ve outsmarted a kid with Down syndrome.

  227. BB753 says:
    @gandydancer

    It’s an old-fashioned way of saying internal or civil war.
    “specifically : of or relating to the internal affairs of a state or country.
    intestine war”
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intestine

  228. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Bert

    It is more sensible to be appreciative for partial allies when they are targets of your enemy.

    That would require intelligence and strategic thinking.

  229. @Matra

    Oh look, the inevitable “plastic paddy” accusation. No thread about the English would be complete without it. Sounds like you’re Pakistani-British. Yes, that must be it. Living in Bradford, teenage girl trafficker, America hater.

  230. dfordoom says: • Website
    @advancedatheist

    Christianity has started to decline in the United States, and this has happened in “Hayekian” fashion: Organically, spontaneously, and without central planning to bring it about – a product of human action but not of human design.

    Yes. Dawkins and other militant atheists have been wasting their energies attacking something that is slowly dying anyway.

  231. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dissident

    Is it only religious fanatics that create problems and pose threats for those who, relative to the fanatics at least, are more moderate and reasonable? Are fanatics in general, whether religious or secular, rightist or leftist, liberal or conservative, etc., etc., not problematic to any society?

    I agree. And we live in an age of fanaticism. Ideas like moderation and consensus are out of fashion.

  232. @ben tillman

    There’s nothing smart about being a future FEMA camp detainee.

  233. dfordoom says: • Website
    @photondancer

    I’m beginning to wonder if those who blame social media for the current mess are onto something, because I don’t really see what else has massively changed in the last decade other than the use of smart phones and social media becoming near universal among most westerners.

    The core ideas of Wokeness and Social Justice have been around for decades. What has changed is that social media allows Wokeness and SJWism to be enforced.

  234. @Dissident

    What about Anglicanism? Does the Church of England believe in any of the supernatural aspects of Christianity?

    I cannot speak for what is the official party line of Anglicanism, but from memory I recall Anglican preachers talking more about the miracle of human existence being a gift from God, rather than of specifics about Adam and Eve.

    Similarly, rather than talk about the miracle of Jesus converting water into wine, they would talk about the miracle of grape seeds plus soil plus water equals wine.

    So if we live in the universe that is a miracle, then it provides us to take care of that environment so that our descendants may enjoy it equally, and our reward of eternal life will be through our genes surviving in the genes of our descendants .

    Or something like that.

    Not so much believing that symbolically drinking the blood of a man who was executed 2000 years ago will prevent us from going to hell and being punished with being spit-roasted on eternal flames in the bowels of the Earth in the future.

    Anyway you should ask Meghan Markle–she is one of those rare people who publicly converted to Anglicanism as an adult!

    • Replies: @Dissident
  235. anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
    @kaganovitch

    From the 2016 link provided, almost a third of JW’s are classified as “Hispanic”. There are Spanish-language JW’s, the Testigios de Jehovah.

    Incidentally, the JW’s use a Bible translation that is different from every other Christian denomination.

    But also see

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/03/a-closer-look-at-seventh-day-adventists-in-america/

    where 15% are “Hispanic”. So the demographics are not almost identical, but with regard to “% white” and “% black” they are pretty close. Close enough for Internet work.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  236. Brutusale says:
    @Bragadocious

    The Daily Mail regularly shows Americans how their betters in Merry Olde England live.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255587/New-Years-Eve-2012-Shameful-scenes-booze-fuelled-chaos-cities-Britain.html

    I don’t know if I’d trade our blacks for their chavs.

  237. Muggles says:

    This entire flap is about frustrated time travel.

    “No, you can’t go back in time and change it. So your smashed bike is just never going to work again.”

    Woke tactics try to rely on the impossibility of changing things that have already occurred. Seems obviously crazy, no?

    But virtually 99% of their tactics rely on that absurd assumption.

    It is worth noting that this seems a regular “feature” of Leftist type thinking. Purging and erasing images was most notoriously done in Stalin’s era and later.

    “Retracting” awards and honors is in the same vein. These fabulists can’t admit to making mistakes in the past, so they vainly try to erase the past.

    Cancelling and de-honoring people is an admission that you screwed up, or someone in your group did. Or that standards for certain actions have changed. Mistakes are hard to own up to for most. So instead, the Woke merely claim that they were somehow fooled.

    We can only learn from the past, not remake it. Obsessing about an unchangeable past is either a psychological problem or a sinister ploy to bully contemporaries into behavior they would otherwise not do.

  238. @dfordoom

    What do you think about college degrees? Will we see that within five years?

  239. Dissident says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Thanks for sharing your recollections.

    but from memory I recall Anglican preachers talking more about the miracle of human existence being a gift from God, rather than of specifics about Adam and Eve.

    In (Orthodox) Judaism, if I may take the liberty of tangentially noting here, both are integral. All biological existence is viewed as the miraculous work of G-d. And (at least according to the prevailing normative consensus), we overwhelmingly interpret literally the creation narrative found in the book of Genesis of the Hebrew Bible. [1]

    going to hell and being punished with being spit-roasted on eternal flames in the bowels of the Earth in the future.

    Such imagery (at least in Judaism, and I would presume in many other traditions as well) is fundamentally an allegory

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    for the primarily incorporeal anguish that awaits the soul upon its separation from the mortal body. The “fire” and “burning” represent the intense, unmitigated, inexorable shame, humiliation and remorse that the individual (i.e., the conscience that as part of the soul, survives the body) will feel upon finding himself standing completely naked, all of his faults and all of the wrongs that he has committed over the entirety of his life, laid fully bare, completely revealed who will stand in judgment, demanding a full accounting for all.[2]

    At the same time, we also find an entirely natural concept that through one’s own conduct and choices, one can experience both the torments of Hell, as well as the ecstasy of Paradise right here on this earth.

    NOTES for Further Elucidation
    [1] One hastens to add here that at the same, there are many statements in the Bible that, in accord with the rabbinical tradition, we emphatically do not interpret literally. Perhaps the most well-known example is that of An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, which the Talmud interprets strictly metaphorically, as an allusion-to the monetary compensation that one who has injured another must pay to his victim. This is one of many instances in which the much-maligned Talmud renders the meaning of a Biblical verse (far) more palatable to contemporary/ Christian/Western sensibilities than its literal reading.

    Similarly noteworthy, concerning all of the instances of capital punishment prescribed in the Hebrew Bible, is how extremely rare, the Talmud tells us, it was that any of them were actually carried-out. The primary value and purpose in prescribing such penalties was one of deterrence and symbolism— to impress upon man the gravity of the sins for which such punishment was decreed. Here it might be added that (according to our same canonical tradition) by no means did one who escaped such a fate in this world get off scot-free. On the contrary, the specific methods of execution provided a necessary atonement for the transgressor that if not achieved in the prescribed manner, will ultimately have to be achieved through some other, generally considerably less pleasant, means.

    [2]Thus, more than a place, Hell can more profoundly be understood as a process and an experience. For all but the most wicked, the process, although excruciatingly painful beyond anything known to us in this world, is a preparatory one. It is the process of cleansing, repair, and correction that nearly every soul (to one degree or another) requires in order to reach (or more accurately, return to) a state of being capable of experiencing the eternal bliss of being together, in harmony, with G-d and the righteous of all time.

    An allegory that is given is that of a man who, before he can be capable of partaking of a lavish feast with relish, requires extensive and painful correctional dental work. The same gastronomical delicacies that are a delight to a man of sufficient corporeal health to enjoy them can bring nothing less than sheer torment to the man not blessed with such health. So too, the soul that has become corrupted and defiled by sin and depravity (i.e., all that is counter to the will of G-d) is incapable of delighting in the spiritual, incorporeal bliss of being united with G-d that is the eternal reward of the righteous.

  240. @Anon

    If they start taking Nobel Prizes back, I wonder who the top five candidates would be.

    I’m guessing James Watson will make any to five list.

    May he live many, many more years in good health, but I’m certain when he moves on we will see the mother of all feminist battles to see that he is not honored in any way, shape, or form, not even in the slightest particular.

    In fact, I can even envision cries that his award be negated and given to Rosalind Franklin, retroactively.

  241. dfordoom says: • Website

    What do you think about college degrees? Will we see that within five years?

    It’s entirely possible that we’ll see people stripped of their academic credentials for opposing the climate change narrative or for crimes against Wokeness.

    I imagine the first step will be taking away post-graduate degrees from scientists suspected of climate denialism.

    I’d say we’ll definitely see it happening within five years.

  242. @Matra

    Irish Americans seem to hate the English more than Irish Irish do.

    It’s sad to see what’s happened to Ireland over the last 30 years, although its also reduced the amount of anti-English hatred I’m sure – now a fair number of English I know have houses there, and the seafront zone from Dublin to Bray has plenty of wealthy Brits, but I’m glad I was able to see a bit of Catholic Ireland while it was still there, 35 years ago on a family visit. You’d come out of a packed Mass on Sunday and the women would all head for home to cook lunch while the men went to the pub… good times.

  243. @anon

    where 15% are “Hispanic”. So the demographics are not almost identical, but with regard to “% white” and “% black” they are pretty close. Close enough for Internet work.

    The most I can aspire to.

  244. Transgenderism is genetic cosplay at a convention where everybody is forced to attend and pretend.

  245. @Reg Cæsar

    … the penetration of Ohio’s borders to capture Parthena and Patience Chinn (1835) and Peggy Garner (1856), or of Massachusetts’s for Thomas Sims (1851) and Anthony Burns (1854), that was perfectly peaceful. No invasion there.

    Never heard of them. What southern forces engaged in these “invasions”, and on what authority?

    I can tell you, however, that First Bull Run/First Manassas (1861) involved an invasion of Virginia by about 18,000 Federals, just counting the ones that got their butts kicked on that battlefield. If any of the incidents you list were aggressions on a similar scale I have reason to be ashamed of my ignorance, so please enlighten me on that point.

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