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Putin grew up rooting for the Soviet Union’s World Cup soccer team that included Russian and Ukrainian players, so Russian-Ukrainian unity seems natural to him.

But young Russian troops have grown up with Russia and Ukraine having separate World Cup teams for their entire lives, so that seems natural to them.

Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.

But I’m not much of a soccer fan, so the fact that the UK is represented by four separate national soccer teams in the World Cup didn’t have much effect on my thinking. But in the UK, in contrast, most everybody seemed to agree that of course Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are separate nations: just look at the World Cup!

 
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  1. Shouldn’t we be discussing the spread of the coronavisionid virus among the combatants? Perhaps if the Ukraine mandated vaccination cards for all invading armies, somehow managed to put doses of vaccinations on the tips of the bullets, and maintained a minimum 6 foot kill radius distancing for all explosive ordinance deployed, the Ukrainians could declare a two front victory over the 2 biggest threats to humanity ever.

    I mean don’t these stupid countries at war know there’s a pandemic going on??? Hospitals beds in the region are already double capacitated and groaning.

    And how are we going to classify casualties? Is having one’s head split open by a 12mm round death by covid, or death with covid? Or getting blown in half by a fragmentation grenade? Covid, yes?

    • Agree: BB753, Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • LOL: Sam Malone
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    One of the few good things you can say about Putin is that Russian antivaxxers are getting the rope.

    , @HammerJack
    @Mike Tre


    I mean don’t these stupid countries at war know there’s a pandemic going on??
     
    That was yesterday. Today we're fighting World War 2.2 again, and as usual it's between the Diverse Forces of Good and white supremacist nazis.

    This should take us through memorial day, when (if the Ruling Class has their way) we can enjoy another George Floyd Event.

    Because the Ruling Class has discovered that there is no more effective way of advancing their Agenda.

    , @tyrone
    @Mike Tre

    "Sadly" to quote one of our betters, the Omicron acted as a live attenuated vaccine so the plan-demic has run it's course (will there be a second act?),in the MEAN time enjoy your next existential crisis.... don't believe satan is the ruler of this world ?....just watch.

    , @Frau Katze
    @Mike Tre

    It turns out that Putin is terrified of catching Covid:

    “Already a distant figure before the pandemic, the lengths the former KGB officer takes to avoid coronavirus have limited his human contact. Western visitors are forced to sit around a comically huge table. Allies toast champagne from opposite ends of a massive carpet. Even Putin’s closest advisers are rarely allowed to come within 10 feet without weeks of quarantine and testing.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/c039db89-7201-4875-b31f-b41a511496f1?segmentId=fa748919-9f52-971c-b817-21e245a0abbb

  2. Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.

    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won’t have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won’t have a say. Although it certainly doesn’t make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I’ve never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called “Scottish National Party” seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don’t think it’s Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It’s Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It’s the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @Wilkey

    "Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force."

    Well, disunity has been achieved by force, such as burning people in buildings. The people who did it cared nothing about "affection and consent" and were quite successful. The shoe is moving to the other foot.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    What I’ve never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU.
     
    Originally the English favored the EEC, now EU, much more than the Scots and Ulstermen did:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum%2C_1975.svg/691px-United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum%2C_1975.svg.png

    Replies: @houston 1992

    , @LondonBob
    @Wilkey

    I get the impression the upper ranks of the SNP are pretty well infiltrated by the intelligence services, they spend more time attacking Russia than plotting independence these days.

    I remember when the US government sanctioned Kremlin officials in 2014, I think a good twenty percent were from the Ukraine. A strand of Ukrainian identity the CIA have done their best to marginalise, interested to see what the Russians do, will they be able to promote it, whilst marginalising the Western Ukrainian Bandera form of Ukrainian national identity?

    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @PhysicistDave, @Anonymous

    , @Joe Walker
    @Wilkey

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @martin_2, @Art Deco

    , @jimmyriddle
    @Wilkey

    If we could vote, Scotland would be booted out pronto.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Wilkey


    And I don’t think it’s Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It’s Russian imperialism that is natural to him.
     
    I think it's not having nukes right on his doorstep that seems natural to him, and not being provoked endlessly by a hostile military alliance that seems natural to him.

    Replies: @Professional Slav

    , @Ian Smith
    @Wilkey

    Because most Scots are socialists. Adam Smith is spinning in his grave😔

    , @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @Wilkey


    What I’ve never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?
     
    Perhaps you should view modern Nationalists in two distinct worldviews - Nationalists traditionally understood who prize self-determination for a people, owing to the Latinate origin of the word "nation," as distinguished from more modern leftists who are concerned with an abstract notion of "de-colonizing" places, particularly third world imperial holdings of formerly great powers.

    The SNP's worldview seems much more akin to the latter, and seem to imagine their relationship with England to be something like Kenya's or Ceylon's. If the British, under dominance of the English, had to remove from the Empire's colonies in East Africa and Ceylon, then they should have to remove from Scotland. Anti-Imperialism and "de-colonization" as used here are leftist concepts, so in their minds there is no conflict with engaging in other left wing projects like the EU or mass third world immigration. Certainly the SNP used symbolism of the Scottish people and nation in its referendum push with tartans and bagpipes and the whole thing, but the anticipated end point would be something quite different than a nation of Scots with political independence.
  3. It makes me so mad that Russia hacked our election

    I want to see them pay

    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Yes, long live The Ghost. Alas, he can't keep getting away with it.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!
     
    Some folks may not have heard yet that the thirteen famous martyrs of Snake Island who died after telling the Russian attackers to "Go f*** yourselves!" are actually still alive, according to the Ukrainian navy, taken captive by the Russians.

    But it sure made a good story!

    The first casualty in war...

    In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    That is, if there actually is any significant Ukrainian military presence left in the area of Kiev?

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    Is this what they mean by "controlling the narrative"?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paperback Writer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666, @Paul Mendez

  4. If you want to see what this war really looks like, the Ukrainian language twitter feeds aren’t censored. Here you go. Be prepared to see a lot of mangled bodies.

    Note: if you want to get by the twitter nag screen, ctrl+shift+n to open an incognito window, then address bar “https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin”

    This is all on retards like Anatoly Karlin. What a fucking joke that guy is.

    Here he is looking tough.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210118141432/https://akarlin.com/start/karlin-sword/

    Why don’t you get in a tank, tough guy.

    • Replies: @SimpleSong
    @SimpleSong

    I don't know why it is screwing up the web address but it should be twitter dot com slash GirkinGirkin

    , @Puttheforkdown
    @SimpleSong

    I don’t think Karlin has to get in a tank, as Russia is well on the way to victory in weeks tops, regardless of what anyone does now.

    Speaking of tough guys, the fella in the kremlin looks strong as ever. Hats off!

    Replies: @AndrewR

  5. Well hell,if those four nations combined into one,wouldn’t they stand a damn good chance of winning the bloody thing!

    BTW they’re talking about a British Isles WC in 2030,with the UK and Ireland all hosting matches. Jolly good idea,that! Would love to see Ireland vs England,but this time in the finals. 😃

    • Replies: @meh
    @Bardon Kaldlan


    Well hell,if those four nations combined into one,wouldn’t they stand a damn good chance of winning the bloody thing!
     
    I assume you are joking but no, absolutely not. The UK team would be mostly English, would still suck, and the only result would be that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland would lose their teams.
    , @AndrewR
    @Bardon Kaldlan

    Hopefully they can find some stadiums free of nuclear fallout

  6. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are separate countries.

    They have different legal systems (or did, in the case of Wales). In fact, Scottish law bears no relationship to English common law.

    The four countries have agreed to be United in a Kingdom.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Justice Duvall

    Wales is not a seperate country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Anonymous
    @Justice Duvall

    If they are separate countries, why don't they have separate militaries and their own ambassadors and treaties and the like?

    Replies: @Goddard, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @RAZ
    @Justice Duvall

    Difficult for an American to understand which made it a joke in the Ted Lasso show (American who goes to England to coach a football (their description) team).

    Question: How many countries y'all got in this country?

    Answer: Four

  7. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    A few months ago, Rod Dreher wrote a post about a Catholic man he met last summer in Slovenia. The man and his wife were having all kinds of problems because their twelve-year-old had become obsessed with the idea that she was transgender. How did she get this idea? Was it from the ultraleft Slovenians who had taken over the local school system? No. She had been on her smartphone and got linked up with some older teenagers from Oregon in the USA. They gaslit her into thinking that she was trans and messed up her life.

    It’s surreal that one of the perennial problems of political philosophy, how the citizens of a state should be educated, has been made in some sense obsolete in the past decade. It doesn’t matter anymore what quaint ideas the political and intellectual leaders of Slovenia have: their youth will be educated by Netflix, Reddit, and Pornhub despite their best intentions.

    I don’t pretend to have any deep knowledge of the cultural situation in the Ukraine. But maybe the Russians, especially the older ones, underestimated how much the Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, have been mentally colonized by the Global American Empire.

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anon

    underestimated how much the Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, have been mentally colonized by the Global American Empire.

    This is nonsense. Upper middle class Muscovites are far more "globohomo" than your average Ukrainian. It is wealthy Russian elites, often close to Putin, who are hanging out with Western celebrities, partying with hedge fund managers at art galleries in London and taking courses on intersectionality at Harvard and Oxford. Meanwhile Ukrainians are working as truck drivers in Poland and listening to nationalistic folk music. It serves Russian interests and propaganda strategy to obscure this fact. It also serves Ukrainian interests that most American liberals have no idea how your average Ukrainian sees the world. Ukrainians hate Russians for the same reason Irish hate English, Vietnamese hate Chinese and Greeks hate Turks. A long history of being spit on and abused.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Plus I imagine at least some Ukrainians blame Russia for the Holodomor.

  8. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    “Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force.”

    Well, disunity has been achieved by force, such as burning people in buildings. The people who did it cared nothing about “affection and consent” and were quite successful. The shoe is moving to the other foot.

  9. @SimpleSong
    If you want to see what this war really looks like, the Ukrainian language twitter feeds aren't censored. Here you go. Be prepared to see a lot of mangled bodies.

    Note: if you want to get by the twitter nag screen, ctrl+shift+n to open an incognito window, then address bar "https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin"

    https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin

    This is all on retards like Anatoly Karlin. What a fucking joke that guy is.

    Here he is looking tough.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210118141432/https://akarlin.com/start/karlin-sword/

    Why don't you get in a tank, tough guy.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Puttheforkdown

    I don’t know why it is screwing up the web address but it should be twitter dot com slash GirkinGirkin

  10. Scotland has a reputation of being a net tax leech. Lots of UK taxpayers would be happy to see them leave.

    There must be some activity to blacklist Russian soccer players. I heard that some western, tax feeding:

    • orchestra is trying to cut ties with a Russian music bigshot.
    • opera company broke its contract with a Russian soprano.

    Next thing you know our ballet companies will cancel Nutcracker.

    There’s a headline that NASA is looking the other way so as to allow astronauts aboard the International Waste Station to catch a ride home on a Russian rocket. Putin should tell NASA to call Uber.

    Our great, patriotic, public universities are looking to boot Russian students (but not til they’ve fully paid their out-of-state tuition). The benefits of foreign exchange, don’t you know.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Abolish_public_education

    "Scotland has a reputation of being a net tax leech. Lots of UK taxpayers would be happy to see them leave."

    Tax leech, eh? You ain't seen nothing yet!

    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim "New Scots" (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won't be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.

    "Wales is not a separate country."

    [sigh]

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  11. Even among younger military recruits, there remains a feeling of brotherhood from Russia’s side. It doesn’t appear most were seriously psychologically prepared for a real invasion.

    The question is what happens to this if the war drags on and becomes bloodier.

    • Replies: @aNewBanner
    @Thulean Friend

    A long drawn out war is a worst case scenario. It means the most Russian and Ukrainian causalities. It will lead to vast devastation across Ukraine. The Russians will impose far harsher consequences on the Ukrainian people. It will demoralize Russia and threaten the stability of Putin’s regime. Sanctions will cripple the Russian economy. Russian forces will, in all likelihood, resort to indiscriminate attacks against military forces that endanger civilians. These attacks will inflame Western politicians, who will impose harsher sanctions and penalties against Russia (though their quiver is getting light). It provides cover for cyber shenanigans against Russian targets. It might lead to an “existential crisis” for the Russian regime, meaning one where it considers a nuclear exchange to be justified.

    Joe Biden recently assured the American people that there is no chance of a nuclear war. Putin, his associates, and his media have stated that a nuclear exchange is a real possibility. Perhaps it’s a bluff. Perhaps not.

    I hope and pray for peace as quickly as possible.

  12. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre
    Shouldn't we be discussing the spread of the coronavisionid virus among the combatants? Perhaps if the Ukraine mandated vaccination cards for all invading armies, somehow managed to put doses of vaccinations on the tips of the bullets, and maintained a minimum 6 foot kill radius distancing for all explosive ordinance deployed, the Ukrainians could declare a two front victory over the 2 biggest threats to humanity ever.

    I mean don't these stupid countries at war know there's a pandemic going on??? Hospitals beds in the region are already double capacitated and groaning.

    And how are we going to classify casualties? Is having one's head split open by a 12mm round death by covid, or death with covid? Or getting blown in half by a fragmentation grenade? Covid, yes?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @HammerJack, @tyrone, @Frau Katze

    One of the few good things you can say about Putin is that Russian antivaxxers are getting the rope.

  13. If the Russian public isn’t fully aware of the international outrage about the invasion — or more specifically, EUROPEAN outrage — what with media suppression in Russia, they will be now that FIFA and UEFA have banned Russia from all international competitions, including World Cup Qualifying….but with the bureaucratese “out” phrase….

    “until further notice.”

    Russia’s national team was scheduled to play Poland, but Poland has categorically refused. I have it on good authority that the rationale for their refusal is some combination of (1) the current invasion; (2) seething omnipresent resentment about the Warsaw Uprising; and (3) the fact that Russia is a tough opponent.

    Not necessarily in order of importance.

    Not that it has anything to do with the fact that this generation of Poles may be the last to head to the World Cup for a few cycles. The up and coming generation is coming, but not up.

    An aside, FIFA has had a history of blatant corruption and bribe taking until recently. Its past head, one Sepp Blatter, was notorious in that regard, which is why the World Cup is going to be held in Qatar this November.

    No “harumph harumphing” back when Qatar was picked, notwithstanding hordes of indentured servants from the Indian subcontinent to build stuff in horrid conditions in that Middle Eastern version of oligarchy.

    That was a DIFFERENT oligarchy. And besides, the national airline has attractive flight attendants.

  14. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:

    In the years running up to the 2014 referendum support for Scottish Independence was typically around 30-35% in the opinion polls.
    Cameron thought he was in for an easy victory which would prick the bubble of Scottish separatism.
    He seems to believe that his Scottish name and and strong (albeit upper class) Scottish ancestry gave him an advantage over the SNP.
    He even agreed to allow the SNP to frame the actual question on the ballot paper- yes for independence Vs no for status quo…In a referendum ( or an opinion poll ) the wording of a question can produce markedly different outcomes
    In reality many Scottish people saw him as just another Hooray Henry and the final weeks of campaigning were marked by a big surge in SNP support and an uncomfortably close 55/45 win for the status quo.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Anonymous

    The elites in Westminster thought the best way to run the Unionist campaign was to make endless economic threats as to what would happen to Scotland if they went independent, they also managed to lose because of it. A country isn't just an economic arrangement, and many a patriot has been happy to carry a heavy burden to liberate their country.

  15. Have the Russians been using a lot of ground units filled with ethnic minorities to avoid poor performance or rebellion from ethnic Russians who would resist fighting in the Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Bill in Glendale

    I’ve read several sources saying he’s making use of Muslims from the North Caucasus. This was a day or two ago.

  16. @Ebony Obelisk
    It makes me so mad that Russia hacked our election

    I want to see them pay

    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!

    Replies: @JimDandy, @PhysicistDave

    Yes, long live The Ghost. Alas, he can’t keep getting away with it.

  17. young Russian troops have grown up with Russia and Ukraine having separate World Cup teams for their entire lives, so that seems natural to them.

    Don’t relegate the troops to being fans mainly of soccer. Russia and Ukraine are the two top chess-playing countries in the world. They have the most titled players per capita; about the same number per capita, in fact. And beyond individual play, there’s the Chess Olympiad of team play – – Russia and Ukraine usually in the top four. My guess is that a lot of troops play chess, and, follow elite chess. And, to them the rivalry is akin to a soccer “friendly.”

    • Replies: @PassingBy
    @SafeNow

    FIDE has yanked the chess Olympiad from Russia. They're also going after Sergey Karjakin (the 2016 challenger for the world championship, who incidentally was born in Ukraine but is now a Russian citizen) for cheerleading the invasion.

    Probably the biggest news is that FIDE will not take Russian sponsorship money. Or at least that's what they're saying. FIDE is notoriously corrupt, and they'll probably get the money under the table (or chessboard).

    Oh, one other thing. FIDE will prohibit Russian players from using the Russian flag. That'll stop the invasion, no doubt.

    , @David Davenport
    @SafeNow

    My guess is that a lot of troops play chess, and, follow elite chess.

    Yes, your guess. Do you have any evidence for that?

  18. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:

    Wales doesn’t field a seperate team.

    Rugby is the game there.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Anonymous

    Wales does have a national team, but not a domestic league of their own. The teams they do have play in English leagues. And these days I think soccer is probably more popular than rugby.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  19. Not everybody’s sense of nationality is circumscribed by sportsball teams. If you go slightly farther up in the order of importance—say, to industrial and energy infrastructure—it’s clear that Ukraine is and always has been an intimate part of Russia.

    “Ukrainian independence” is kind of like Oklahoma seceding from the union but still wanting manage US oil markets from its Cushing facility.

    Ukraine joining NATO would be like California becoming a province of China (with all that entails about national security) but still collecting US federal funds and voting in US elections.

    Do you see now why Putin has had enough?

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Lex
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Ukraine doesn't collect Russian federal funds and it's citizens don't vote in Russian elections.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Art Deco
    @Intelligent Dasein

    “Ukrainian independence” is kind of like Oklahoma seceding from the union but still wanting manage US oil markets from its Cushing facility.

    All 15 union republics departed the Soviet Union. Bar Russia, the Ukraine was the largest constituent unit and has a population of 44 million. It is not landlocked and has a border with three countries which were never part of the Soviet Union. Fuel and mineral exports account for about 4% of their nominal domestic product.

  20. Putin is not much of a soccer fan, and Russia is not much of a soccer nation. He is much more fond of Hockey and you can easily find photos of him in the web practicing with pro Russian teams, so, no, I don’t think the theory holds up

  21. @Anonymous
    Wales doesn't field a seperate team.

    Rugby is the game there.

    Replies: @Matra

    Wales does have a national team, but not a domestic league of their own. The teams they do have play in English leagues. And these days I think soccer is probably more popular than rugby.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Matra


    Wales does have a national team, but not a domestic league of their own.

     

    You chose to spread this misinformation on St David's Day? For shame!

    Wales has several domestic leagues, under the umbrella of the Football Association of Wales. Why, even Elvis Costello plays in one of them!


    Declan McManus discusses goalscoring heroics in JD Cymru Premier


    A half-dozen Welsh clubs choose to compete in the English leagues, but there is plenty of action at home, too. Like this club:



    https://boxtoboxfootball.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/download-e1542980242762.gif

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  22. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    What I’ve never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU.

    Originally the English favored the EEC, now EU, much more than the Scots and Ulstermen did:

    • Replies: @houston 1992
    @Reg Cæsar

    If Scotland secedes then they face onerous negotiations to re-join the EU and the Euro currency. The EU is clear that they wont inherit the old EU membership terms that the UK enjoyed/suffered under pre -Brexit. Rather , the suffering and terms will be harsher along with the departure of defense jobs etc

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anonymous

  23. @Matra
    @Anonymous

    Wales does have a national team, but not a domestic league of their own. The teams they do have play in English leagues. And these days I think soccer is probably more popular than rugby.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Wales does have a national team, but not a domestic league of their own.

    You chose to spread this misinformation on St David’s Day? For shame!

    Wales has several domestic leagues, under the umbrella of the Football Association of Wales. Why, even Elvis Costello plays in one of them!

    Declan McManus discusses goalscoring heroics in JD Cymru Premier

    A half-dozen Welsh clubs choose to compete in the English leagues, but there is plenty of action at home, too. Like this club:

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    Five Welsh soccer teams play in English leagues, with Cardiff City playing in the Premier League three seasons ago. They play in the same stadium the Welsh national team plays in.

    As for the 2022 World Cup, Wales and Scotland were drawn into the same qualification group of 4 with Austria and Ukraine. Only one of the four will qualify for Qatar.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  24. The Russians are putting together a massive operation with this convoy. It sure looks successful to me (an amateur). I keep hearing all this “bogged down” stuff but that appears to be wishful thinking by our delusional Clever Set.

    FoxNews actually playing it straight for once:

  25. • Replies: @SafeNow
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://media.wired.com/photos/590963ab76f462691f012e85/master/pass/533175273.jpg

    Fascinating male-hair map, thanks. Is there a female version? Asking for a friend. I am probably projecting, but I imagine the group here to be mainly a clean-shaven lot. Certainly very few neckbeards. In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jmaie

  26. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @Justice Duvall
    England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are separate countries.

    They have different legal systems (or did, in the case of Wales). In fact, Scottish law bears no relationship to English common law.

    The four countries have agreed to be United in a Kingdom.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @RAZ

    Wales is not a seperate country.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Anonymous

    It’s a separate subphylum?

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    https://www.awarenessdays.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/JS83954845JPG.jpg

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous


    Wales is not a separate country.
     
    https://e3.365dm.com/21/03/1600x900/2372103310305699207_5325375.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210331192016
  27. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Justice Duvall
    England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are separate countries.

    They have different legal systems (or did, in the case of Wales). In fact, Scottish law bears no relationship to English common law.

    The four countries have agreed to be United in a Kingdom.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @RAZ

    If they are separate countries, why don’t they have separate militaries and their own ambassadors and treaties and the like?

    • Replies: @Goddard
    @Anonymous

    England was going to grant Wales its independence, but welshed.

    Replies: @Escher

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anonymous

    "why don’t they have separate militaries and their own ambassadors and treaties and the like"

    The four nations have (or had in the case of Wales) separate legal and religious systems - the Church of England (Protestant) is England-only, there's a Church of Wales/Scotland/Ireland (both North and South). Buying a house in Scotland is nothing like buying one in England.

    Defence is reserved to the UK Parliament, or in the legal fiction, "the Queen in Parliament".

    But the differences are more real since devolution. At one stage Covid rules - which shops were open, what you could and couldn't do - were different in England, Scotland and Wales - stricter in the latter.

    Some of it was stupid "tougher-than-though" posturing - for example in a cold Welsh winter you couldn't buy hats/scarves/gloves - you'd walk into a supermarket and the aisles selling such things were cordoned off. Not "essential", you see.

  28. @Reg Cæsar
    @Wilkey


    What I’ve never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU.
     
    Originally the English favored the EEC, now EU, much more than the Scots and Ulstermen did:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum%2C_1975.svg/691px-United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum%2C_1975.svg.png

    Replies: @houston 1992

    If Scotland secedes then they face onerous negotiations to re-join the EU and the Euro currency. The EU is clear that they wont inherit the old EU membership terms that the UK enjoyed/suffered under pre -Brexit. Rather , the suffering and terms will be harsher along with the departure of defense jobs etc

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @houston 1992

    I think the EU would be so happy to get revenge at the rest of the UK that they'd probably be rather quick about it. But Scotland would soon be put in its place anyway. It would only be the 18th largest state in the EU - between Finland and Slovakia - and have only a little over 1% of the EU's population.

    You can guarantee that, as a newly independent nation/EU vassal state, the SNP would crank up immigration rates to overdrive. Of course many immigrants and other visitors would only be coming to Scotland in order to sneak into England (preferable to taking the currently popular dinghy-across-the-Channel route). That would make for fantastic relations between the two countries.

    , @Anonymous
    @houston 1992

    They are adamant they would retain both the pound which predatees the Union and the monarchy, Queen Elizabeth 1st of Scotland, Second of England.

  29. @Abolish_public_education
    Scotland has a reputation of being a net tax leech. Lots of UK taxpayers would be happy to see them leave.

    There must be some activity to blacklist Russian soccer players. I heard that some western, tax feeding:

    • orchestra is trying to cut ties with a Russian music bigshot.
    • opera company broke its contract with a Russian soprano.

    Next thing you know our ballet companies will cancel Nutcracker.

    There's a headline that NASA is looking the other way so as to allow astronauts aboard the International Waste Station to catch a ride home on a Russian rocket. Putin should tell NASA to call Uber.

    Our great, patriotic, public universities are looking to boot Russian students (but not til they've fully paid their out-of-state tuition). The benefits of foreign exchange, don't you know.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Scotland has a reputation of being a net tax leech. Lots of UK taxpayers would be happy to see them leave.”

    Tax leech, eh? You ain’t seen nothing yet!

    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim “New Scots” (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won’t be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.

    “Wales is not a separate country.”

    [sigh]

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim “New Scots” (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won’t be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.
     
    It looks like they're preparing for that.

    For example, in the latest Gaelic translation of Robert Louis Stevenson's Kidnapped the main character's name has been changed from David to Khaleel:
    https://www.gaelicbooks.org/product/fo-bhruid-2

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    They made a semantic change from principality to "country in 2013.

    , @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Scotland is the whitest nation both literally in skin tone and by recognized definitions in Europe with no close second.

    Vast areas of the highlands a non white has never seen much less settled.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon

  30. That’s actually a pretty good theory, Steve.

    Put it on your list.

  31. The late Otto von Habsburg, pretender to the Dual Monarchy, was once asked if he planned on watching the upcoming Austria-Hungary football match. “No,” he replied, “but how interesting. Tell me, who are we playing?”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Nachum

    That joke was doing the rounds a few years ago but alas the internet soon pounced:
    Austria and Hungary always had separate teams during the era of the dual monarchy just like England and Scotland.

    Replies: @Nachum

  32. @houston 1992
    @Reg Cæsar

    If Scotland secedes then they face onerous negotiations to re-join the EU and the Euro currency. The EU is clear that they wont inherit the old EU membership terms that the UK enjoyed/suffered under pre -Brexit. Rather , the suffering and terms will be harsher along with the departure of defense jobs etc

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    I think the EU would be so happy to get revenge at the rest of the UK that they’d probably be rather quick about it. But Scotland would soon be put in its place anyway. It would only be the 18th largest state in the EU – between Finland and Slovakia – and have only a little over 1% of the EU’s population.

    You can guarantee that, as a newly independent nation/EU vassal state, the SNP would crank up immigration rates to overdrive. Of course many immigrants and other visitors would only be coming to Scotland in order to sneak into England (preferable to taking the currently popular dinghy-across-the-Channel route). That would make for fantastic relations between the two countries.

    • Agree: houston 1992, Polistra
  33. If England got to vote on whether Scotland should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.

    I think the real message is how quickly even very stable multinational entities can unravel, Scottish independence was a fringe obsession not so long ago, then came Blair’s constitutional vandalism of devolution and the film Braveheart.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LondonBob

    "I think the real message is how quickly even very stable multinational entities can unravel, Scottish independence was a fringe obsession not so long ago, then came Blair’s constitutional vandalism of devolution and the film Braveheart...."

    Stirling Bridge was 1297, Bannockburn was in 1314.

    Glubb Pasha:


    “While the empire is enjoying its High Noon of prosperity, all these people are proud and glad to be imperial citizens. But when decline sets in, it is extraordinary how the memory of ancient wars, perhaps centuries before, is suddenly revived…”

     

    http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @LondonBob


    If England got to vote on whether Scotland should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.
     
    If [New Yorkers] got to vote on whether [Puerto Rico] should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.

    Replies: @Charon

  34. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    I get the impression the upper ranks of the SNP are pretty well infiltrated by the intelligence services, they spend more time attacking Russia than plotting independence these days.

    I remember when the US government sanctioned Kremlin officials in 2014, I think a good twenty percent were from the Ukraine. A strand of Ukrainian identity the CIA have done their best to marginalise, interested to see what the Russians do, will they be able to promote it, whilst marginalising the Western Ukrainian Bandera form of Ukrainian national identity?

    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @LondonBob


    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?
     
    Agreed: it'll be interesting at the least. I vote for partition, as a puppet regime has little chance of success. While I have great respect for Putin and for what he's done with Russia, I can't escape the feeling that he may have blundered this time. And not in a small way.

    The internet has changed the nature of war. Everyone now has access to "western" propaganda, which as we know is quite expert, and the Ukraine people know that NATO and friends have their back.

    Meanwhile, "Anonymous" (and their friends) have managed to knock official Russian media offline for several days now. That has effects.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @LondonBob

    LondonBob asked:


    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?
     
    The Russians also have to cut the military ties between Ukraine and the West.

    Our oh-so-brilliant commentators in the West have been treating Putin as an idiot for thinking that Ukraine would really ever be allowed into NATO. However, as I pointed out on another thread, in 2008, NATO formally announced that Ukraine would join NATO:

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations. [emphasis added]
     
    And the current conflict, with Western elites referring to NATO as our "ally" and openly supplying them with arms makes clear that that was for real. Not to mention the fact that the arms Ukraine already has were given it by the West.

    No, the NATO embrace of Ukraine is now plain for all to see.

    And that tie must be cut. Clearly, decisively, and permanently.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Anonymous
    @LondonBob

    The SNP are basically New Labour - they are balls deep in all that uncontrolled mass immigration stuff, and 'equalities' and LGBT bollocks - but unlike New Labour they tend to the collectivist and socialist rather the Blair/Brown brand of full blown, neoliberal, devil take the hindmost, Thatcherism.

  35. But in the UK, in contrast, most everybody seemed to agree that of course Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are separate nations….

    Walk among them a few years, and you’ll come to realise thay they are.

  36. @SimpleSong
    If you want to see what this war really looks like, the Ukrainian language twitter feeds aren't censored. Here you go. Be prepared to see a lot of mangled bodies.

    Note: if you want to get by the twitter nag screen, ctrl+shift+n to open an incognito window, then address bar "https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin"

    https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin

    This is all on retards like Anatoly Karlin. What a fucking joke that guy is.

    Here he is looking tough.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20210118141432/https://akarlin.com/start/karlin-sword/

    Why don't you get in a tank, tough guy.

    Replies: @SimpleSong, @Puttheforkdown

    I don’t think Karlin has to get in a tank, as Russia is well on the way to victory in weeks tops, regardless of what anyone does now.

    Speaking of tough guys, the fella in the kremlin looks strong as ever. Hats off!

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Puttheforkdown

    The US achieved "victory" in Iraq in a few weeks. At least that's what George Bush infamously announced on that aircraft carrier. Then a very bloody and protracted insurgency began, if you'll recall.

    I think Putin underestimated the will of the Ukrainian people and NATO to resist this war. This will either lead to regime change in Moscow, or nuclear war. Even a wholesale genocide of Ukrainians would almost certainly bring down the Russian regime. This is bad bad bad.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Wokechoke, @Whiskey

  37. @Anonymous
    In the years running up to the 2014 referendum support for Scottish Independence was typically around 30-35% in the opinion polls.
    Cameron thought he was in for an easy victory which would prick the bubble of Scottish separatism.
    He seems to believe that his Scottish name and and strong (albeit upper class) Scottish ancestry gave him an advantage over the SNP.
    He even agreed to allow the SNP to frame the actual question on the ballot paper- yes for independence Vs no for status quo...In a referendum ( or an opinion poll ) the wording of a question can produce markedly different outcomes
    In reality many Scottish people saw him as just another Hooray Henry and the final weeks of campaigning were marked by a big surge in SNP support and an uncomfortably close 55/45 win for the status quo.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    The elites in Westminster thought the best way to run the Unionist campaign was to make endless economic threats as to what would happen to Scotland if they went independent, they also managed to lose because of it. A country isn’t just an economic arrangement, and many a patriot has been happy to carry a heavy burden to liberate their country.

  38. President Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen of the European Union has, in her infinite wisdom announced:

    Second, in another unprecedented step, we will ban in the EU the Kremlin’s media machine.

    The state-owned Russia Today and Sputnik, as well as their subsidiaries will no longer be able to spread their lies to justify Putin’s war and to sow division in our Union.

    So we are developing tools to ban their toxic and harmful disinformation in Europe.

    Because, after all, the subjects of the European Union are just too damn stupid to understand that, just maybe, government-owned media outlets are a bit biased in favor of their own government!

    And, yes, we must protect the peoples of the European Union from any perspective not approved by the European Union.

    The funny thing is that RT.com goes out of its way to try to play down the middle, much, much more so than most American media.

    For example, here is the full text of a current article on the peace negotiations:

    Moscow and Kiev have found certain things that could be agreed on during the ceasefire talks hosted by Belarus and will return for consultations before the next round, both delegations told reporters after the talks ended on Monday.

    [MORE]

    The main purpose of the talks was to discuss a ceasefire in Ukraine, said Mykhailo Podolyak, adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The two sides have identified a number of priority topics, on which “certain solutions have been outlined,” he added.

    The two delegations found points on which common positions could be reached, confirmed Vladimir Medinsky, aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    Monday’s talks, which lasted for nearly five hours, took place in Belarus near the Russian and the Ukrainian borders. The next round will take place on the border between Belarus and Poland in the coming days, Medinsky said.

    Ukraine’s delegation was led by Defense Minister Alexey Reznikov, and its main demand was an immediate ceasefire and withdrawal of all Russian troops from the country.

    Zelensky said on Sunday he didn’t really believe the negotiations would succeed, but thought they were “a chance, however small, to de-escalate the situation.”

    While the talks were ongoing, Zelensky sent a formal request for Ukraine’s EU membership to Brussels. Meanwhile, Russia has put its nuclear deterrent forces on highest alert amid NATO moves to send weapons to Kiev.

    Moscow ordered military forces into Ukraine on Thursday, saying Kiev needs to be “demilitarized” and “denazified” to protect the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as Russia itself. Ukraine and its Western supporters accused Russia of “unprovoked” aggression. The UK, US, EU and several other countries have imposed sweeping sanctions targeting not just the Russian economy, but Putin and other senior Russian officials personally.

    Note that the article quotes directly from some Ukrainian officials, indicates that the West claims this is “unprovoked” aggression, and distinguishes between Moscow’s claims (e.g., Moscow’s “saying Kiev needs to be ‘demilitarized’ and ‘denazified’”) vs. established facts.

    This is just how journalists in the West were once — long, long ago! — trained to report.

    RT does tend to give more details about statements from the Kremlin, but they tend to be careful not to report these as facts but simply to attribute them to the official issuing the statement.

    But Europeans must be protected from all this because…

    Well, because the Western oligarchs know best what is good for you and we mustn’t allow anyone to “sow division in our Union”!

    “Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past,” repeated Winston obediently.

    • Agree: for-the-record
  39. From the HuffPo (thanks to Mollie Hemingway and Payton Alexander):

    Could A Small Nuclear War Reverse Global Warming?
    By
    Dean Praetorius

    Sadly, the article concludes:

    The cons seem to outweigh the pros in the event of global cooling caused by even a small nuclear war.

    Awwww, for a while there I was feeling hopeful.

    But it is good to know the HuffPo has its priorities straight: I mean, who cares about a little nuclear war compared to global warming?

    (In fairness, the article goes back to 2011, but still…)

    • Thanks: Paul Mendez
  40. sb says:

    You have to remember that these , er, countries were playing soccer before anyone else took up the sport . I realise that some non Brits take umbrage at the UK having four teams but that’s generally accepted as just part of the sport’s history

    Before WWI people were much more relaxed about what exactly was required to make for a national sporting team ( eg Australia had national sporting teams before there was a country called Australia and sometimes combined with New Zealand as a made up country called Australasia )

    At the Olympics there is ( occasionally ) a GB team which is basically England by another name .
    Actually they could theoretically have more teams if Isle of Man , Jersey and Guernsey decided to field national teams ( like Puerto Rico or Faroe Islands do )
    Note that Northern Ireland was originally Ireland . Most other sports have an all Ireland team but Irish soccer was that rare Irish organisation that was headquartered in Belfast and not Dublin

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @sb


    Note that Northern Ireland was originally Ireland... Irish soccer was that rare Irish organisation that was headquartered in Belfast and not Dublin
     
    To this day, the team that competes out of Dublin has to call itself the Republic of Ireland, as Ireland is understood to mean Northern Ireland. The Irish Football Association only represents teams from the northern 6 counties, while the Football Association of Ireland represents the balance of the island.
  41. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Joe Walker


    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England.
     
    Well, yes and no.


    Last time I looked, UK Govt spending by country, per £1,ooo paid in taxes, was £1,100 in Scotland , £1,200 in Wales and £1,350 In Ulster.
    England reaped a mere £850.

    It was undoubtedly the London banks as the major driving force for entry and they probably weren't doing it for free,
    , @martin_2
    @Joe Walker


    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions.
     
    This sentence doesn't make any sense. Surely you're not suggesting that Wales, the North of England, and Northern Ireland would be better off were it not for the wealth produced in the South of England!
    , @Art Deco
    @Joe Walker

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    Scotland's value-added per capita is about the UK mean. Wales is the least affluent region, about 30% below the mean. Greater London and the urbanized Home Counties are affluent, about 1/3 above the mean. The rest of the south is a tad above average.

    It doesn't 'exist largely for the benefit of the south'. The parts were fully assembled by 1603 and the sectoral mix of each region has reconstituted itself many times between then and now.

    Replies: @prosa123

  42. Oh, boy, this is going to be good. I can’t wait for the follow-on article describing how “the billionaires” cooked up the idea for the nations of the UK to compete together in the Olympics…

  43. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    If we could vote, Scotland would be booted out pronto.

  44. In news that’ll be news to no-one here (except Sean)

    Many Viral TikTok Videos of Ukraine War Are Fake

    https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2022/02/27/many-viral-tiktok-videos-of-ukraine-war-are-fake/

  45. @Joe Walker
    @Wilkey

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @martin_2, @Art Deco

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England.

    Well, yes and no.

    Last time I looked, UK Govt spending by country, per £1,ooo paid in taxes, was £1,100 in Scotland , £1,200 in Wales and £1,350 In Ulster.
    England reaped a mere £850.

    It was undoubtedly the London banks as the major driving force for entry and they probably weren’t doing it for free,

  46. @Intelligent Dasein
    Not everybody's sense of nationality is circumscribed by sportsball teams. If you go slightly farther up in the order of importance---say, to industrial and energy infrastructure---it's clear that Ukraine is and always has been an intimate part of Russia.

    "Ukrainian independence" is kind of like Oklahoma seceding from the union but still wanting manage US oil markets from its Cushing facility.

    Ukraine joining NATO would be like California becoming a province of China (with all that entails about national security) but still collecting US federal funds and voting in US elections.

    Do you see now why Putin has had enough?

    Replies: @Lex, @Art Deco

    Ukraine doesn’t collect Russian federal funds and it’s citizens don’t vote in Russian elections.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Lex

    Do you understand what an "analogy" is?

    Analogy:

    a: a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect

    b: resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : SIMILARITY

  47. @Mike Tre
    Shouldn't we be discussing the spread of the coronavisionid virus among the combatants? Perhaps if the Ukraine mandated vaccination cards for all invading armies, somehow managed to put doses of vaccinations on the tips of the bullets, and maintained a minimum 6 foot kill radius distancing for all explosive ordinance deployed, the Ukrainians could declare a two front victory over the 2 biggest threats to humanity ever.

    I mean don't these stupid countries at war know there's a pandemic going on??? Hospitals beds in the region are already double capacitated and groaning.

    And how are we going to classify casualties? Is having one's head split open by a 12mm round death by covid, or death with covid? Or getting blown in half by a fragmentation grenade? Covid, yes?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @HammerJack, @tyrone, @Frau Katze

    I mean don’t these stupid countries at war know there’s a pandemic going on??

    That was yesterday. Today we’re fighting World War 2.2 again, and as usual it’s between the Diverse Forces of Good and white supremacist nazis.

    This should take us through memorial day, when (if the Ruling Class has their way) we can enjoy another George Floyd Event.

    Because the Ruling Class has discovered that there is no more effective way of advancing their Agenda.

  48. Young Russians andUkrainians indeed. What both countries really need more of is young people’,maybe the war can provoke a baby boom. Don’t see it happening unless American cultural hegemony is also a casualty.

  49. Not everyone cares as much about spectator sports as Steve does… And neither Ukraine nor Russia are that good at soccer.

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia. A particular region, perhaps, but not necessarily as a separate identity, much less a separate country. It was part of the Russian Empire, part of the Soviet Union, and even now, they speak basically the same language (Ukrainian is basically just a dialect, and in any case half of the country speaks Russian), have the same religion, and are pretty much the same people.

    Perhaps, politically and economically, there are reasons for the Ukraine to be now separate and closer to Europe, but that’s all. Convenience, not identity.

    Scotland is the opposite, they have a more marked identity, but probably benefit more from being part of the UK.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @Dumbo

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia.

    Only if you ignore the historic fact that Ukraine was Polish land stolen by the Muscovites in the 17th century. Polish was the language of culture and education in Kiev until the early 19th century. And of course much of modern Ukraine was Polish right up until 1939. Russians like to obscure the fact that "Russia" as we know it today is not an ancient country. Russia mostly consists of the lands the Muscovites conquered after the Golden Horde fell apart. Russia in its modern political sense is barely older than Massachusetts, and much younger than Mexico.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @J.Ross, @ScarletNumber

    , @Art Deco
    @Dumbo

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia.

    By whom? Politicians from the Ukraine (representing an area approximating the current Ukrainian Republic) declared their territory autonomous within Russia under the provisional government in 1917, then seceded after the October Revolution. The Ukrainian Republic was forcibly subjugated by the Red Army during the period running from 1917 to 1920.

    Note, there is no political party of any consequence in the Ukraine which advocates merger with Russia and the idea of merger has been favored by < 5% of the public in surveys taken. It's the stated position of the President of Russia that the population has been 'captured' by 'neo-Nazis'.

    , @Frau Katze
    @Dumbo

    The language of Ukraine is definitely close to Russian. A friend from Belarus said Belarusian and Russian had about a 40% overlap. She said she could even understand Polish if they spoke slowly.

    Much closer than English and Scots Gaelic. Gaelic is Indo-European but not on the same branch as English,

    Ukraine is Orthodox Christian in the east but Catholic in the west.

  50. But in the UK, in contrast, most everybody seemed to agree that of course Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are separate nations: just look at the World Cup!

    The way to tell is that the English think of the Scots and Welsh as different, that’s why they got their own teams in the first place. As do the Welsh and the Scots. (Or, more precisely, look at the stuff written in the English newspapers, they didn’t sound like people lamenting their brothers leaving, they sounded like people complaining the Scots whom they held in contempt as a separate group were getting uppity, like Putin on Ukraine) While separate national football and rugby teams do make a difference in national consciousness, to say that’s where it begins and ends makes you sound like Wesley Clark getting annoyed at all those countries in Europe existing essentially. If it makes sense to Britons that Scots, Welsh and English exist why does anyone else have a better right to say they don’t?

    To say Ukraine and Russia don’t really exist and only do since 1991 because of UEFA and FIFA because they have more common origin than they do with other countries is absurd. They do exist, they have existed for a long time and both groups recognise themselves existing. Just like Scots and the English. The essence of any project of self-determination is recognition and that only really happens when people agree that a nationality has biological, cultural and historical existence.

    And to say it’s wrong that only the Scots got a vote is also wrong. If the object is national self-determination of a recognised national body, only their votes have ever counted, otherwise their self-determination won’t happen. There has to be some ‘there’ there for such to happen. (Though, from his own perspective it was amazing that Cameron almost lost Scotland and lost the Brexit referendum)

    Ultimately Britain is divided into 3 because of the Saxon invasions, the Welsh were the people who continued to speak the indigenous language (Welsh is just a Saxon word for ‘foreigner’) and Scotland remained separate due to geography (This can even be seen in the wildlife like the range of Hooded Crows) and having far less Saxon cultural and ethnic influence remaining independent from England and largely speaking a dialect of Irish with their original Brittonic language having been lost long before. So you had 3 entities, once two, then three due to the Saxon invasions, separated by language. If those aren’t countries what are? And, importantly, all 3 nations recognise each other. Ireland originally had one team to represent it but soon after partition a separate team was made for the Republic. This didn’t happen in rugby because it was chiefly a game of the Anglo-Irish elite. (This has shifted over time but even today you see more Anglo names on the Irish team and more Irish names on the Australian team)

    One thing that is interesting is the lack of motivation among the young Russian soldiers to fight or to challenge civilians. (This may also be low Several videos of people coming up and harassing or even blocking tank columns and the Russian soldiers just stare at them. (Though granted, the people videoing the Russian soldiers who don’t just stare might not have the footage) My father once observed that in 1968 the Soviets just sent in a tank column to Prague to sort things out and the soldiers killed quite a few civilians when told. Then, at some point, the idea of the soldiers doing that seemed absurd.

    Perhaps a cultural shift did occur that Putin didn’t grasp but it was among his own soldiers. Not that a high civilian death count is germane to Russian’s objective, it’s narrative is simple, we don’t hate Ukrainians we hate their puppet government. A low intensity war is one way to get their ends by demonstrating they are willing to go to war without doing anything that might leave too much hatred behind that might make living with Ukraine or West hard afterward. Thus creating their own ‘enforcement mechanism’ for Ukrainian neutrality rather than depending on the Ukrainian government to enforce it since they now know NATO isn’t coming to help and NATO knows confrontation on Ukraine will mean war that if they don’t interference will reduce their credibility or if they do interfere in means a shooting match with a nuclear power over nothing of value to them.

    • Replies: @Paul Mendez
    @Altai


    One thing that is interesting is the lack of motivation among the young Russian soldiers to fight or to challenge civilians.
     
    Russians and Ukrainians are basically the same people. Many have family in the opposite country. It would be like a war between US and Canada. Or Maryland and Virginia. Hard to murder people just like you.

    But if Putin brings in Chechens, watch out!
    , @Bill Jones
    @Altai

    The Yuk is quite simple.
    The Natives are English, Welsh, Scots etc. Anybody who recons he's British is some sort of Paki who was let in by Blair.

  51. @LondonBob
    @Wilkey

    I get the impression the upper ranks of the SNP are pretty well infiltrated by the intelligence services, they spend more time attacking Russia than plotting independence these days.

    I remember when the US government sanctioned Kremlin officials in 2014, I think a good twenty percent were from the Ukraine. A strand of Ukrainian identity the CIA have done their best to marginalise, interested to see what the Russians do, will they be able to promote it, whilst marginalising the Western Ukrainian Bandera form of Ukrainian national identity?

    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @PhysicistDave, @Anonymous

    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?

    Agreed: it’ll be interesting at the least. I vote for partition, as a puppet regime has little chance of success. While I have great respect for Putin and for what he’s done with Russia, I can’t escape the feeling that he may have blundered this time. And not in a small way.

    The internet has changed the nature of war. Everyone now has access to “western” propaganda, which as we know is quite expert, and the Ukraine people know that NATO and friends have their back.

    Meanwhile, “Anonymous” (and their friends) have managed to knock official Russian media offline for several days now. That has effects.

    • Agree: Paul Mendez, Polistra
  52. @Anonymous
    @Justice Duvall

    If they are separate countries, why don't they have separate militaries and their own ambassadors and treaties and the like?

    Replies: @Goddard, @YetAnotherAnon

    England was going to grant Wales its independence, but welshed.

    • Replies: @Escher
    @Goddard

    This one makes me want to issue loud Wales.
    But that might trigger the Eire of my neighbors, who will get away Scot free after beating me up.

  53. @Ebony Obelisk
    It makes me so mad that Russia hacked our election

    I want to see them pay

    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!

    Replies: @JimDandy, @PhysicistDave

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:

    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!

    Some folks may not have heard yet that the thirteen famous martyrs of Snake Island who died after telling the Russian attackers to “Go f*** yourselves!” are actually still alive, according to the Ukrainian navy, taken captive by the Russians.

    But it sure made a good story!

    The first casualty in war…

    In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    That is, if there actually is any significant Ukrainian military presence left in the area of Kiev?

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    Is this what they mean by “controlling the narrative”?

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldlan
    • Replies: @tyrone
    @PhysicistDave

    Gee wiz, I completely forgot about the scam-demic ,southern border ,stolen election ,economic destruction of our nation and hundreds of other outrages.......I'm just glued to the tv watching Kiev and eating bonbons.

    , @Paperback Writer
    @PhysicistDave

    I firmly believe that the Ghost of Kyov or however it's spelled this year died protecting her homeland. She leaves a wife and four cats.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @PhysicistDave

    I noted some Russian twitterette said words to the effect of

    "If you say you're ashamed to be Russian at this moment, then don't worry, because you're not Russian"

    To which a Russian-born naturalised Canuck, the founder of crypto Ethereum, replied

    "Go f*** yourself"

    Now from the twitter response, you'd have thought this was the most witty and crushing comeback in history. Vast numbers of Ukrainians and their supporters thought the girl had been well and truly put in her place.

    My first thought was "I wish them well, both Russians and Ukranians, but these aren't my people and I don't understand them".

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @PhysicistDave


    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?
     
    I tend to think it's all B.S. Clearly, no one in the media has an actual clue as to what's happening militarily on the ground. So instead they say silly things like the "resistance is greater than Putin expected." How do they know what Putin expected?

    And Ukaraine is roughly the size of Texas. The German blitzkrieg took six weeks to take over France. So the Ruskies have moved pretty fast, historically speaking. Once a takeover starts to seem inevitable, Ukrainians will switch sides or put down their arms. No one ever wants to be the last guy killed in the war.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Paul Mendez
    @PhysicistDave

    BREAKING NEWS!

    There is no war in the Ukraine!

    It’s all been an elaborate PR stunt promoting the newest release of Call of Duty: Warzone

  54. @Anonymous
    @Justice Duvall

    If they are separate countries, why don't they have separate militaries and their own ambassadors and treaties and the like?

    Replies: @Goddard, @YetAnotherAnon

    “why don’t they have separate militaries and their own ambassadors and treaties and the like”

    The four nations have (or had in the case of Wales) separate legal and religious systems – the Church of England (Protestant) is England-only, there’s a Church of Wales/Scotland/Ireland (both North and South). Buying a house in Scotland is nothing like buying one in England.

    Defence is reserved to the UK Parliament, or in the legal fiction, “the Queen in Parliament”.

    But the differences are more real since devolution. At one stage Covid rules – which shops were open, what you could and couldn’t do – were different in England, Scotland and Wales – stricter in the latter.

    Some of it was stupid “tougher-than-though” posturing – for example in a cold Welsh winter you couldn’t buy hats/scarves/gloves – you’d walk into a supermarket and the aisles selling such things were cordoned off. Not “essential”, you see.

  55. @Mike Tre
    Shouldn't we be discussing the spread of the coronavisionid virus among the combatants? Perhaps if the Ukraine mandated vaccination cards for all invading armies, somehow managed to put doses of vaccinations on the tips of the bullets, and maintained a minimum 6 foot kill radius distancing for all explosive ordinance deployed, the Ukrainians could declare a two front victory over the 2 biggest threats to humanity ever.

    I mean don't these stupid countries at war know there's a pandemic going on??? Hospitals beds in the region are already double capacitated and groaning.

    And how are we going to classify casualties? Is having one's head split open by a 12mm round death by covid, or death with covid? Or getting blown in half by a fragmentation grenade? Covid, yes?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @HammerJack, @tyrone, @Frau Katze

    “Sadly” to quote one of our betters, the Omicron acted as a live attenuated vaccine so the plan-demic has run it’s course (will there be a second act?),in the MEAN time enjoy your next existential crisis…. don’t believe satan is the ruler of this world ?….just watch.

  56. @LondonBob
    @Wilkey

    I get the impression the upper ranks of the SNP are pretty well infiltrated by the intelligence services, they spend more time attacking Russia than plotting independence these days.

    I remember when the US government sanctioned Kremlin officials in 2014, I think a good twenty percent were from the Ukraine. A strand of Ukrainian identity the CIA have done their best to marginalise, interested to see what the Russians do, will they be able to promote it, whilst marginalising the Western Ukrainian Bandera form of Ukrainian national identity?

    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @PhysicistDave, @Anonymous

    LondonBob asked:

    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?

    The Russians also have to cut the military ties between Ukraine and the West.

    Our oh-so-brilliant commentators in the West have been treating Putin as an idiot for thinking that Ukraine would really ever be allowed into NATO. However, as I pointed out on another thread, in 2008, NATO formally announced that Ukraine would join NATO:

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations. [emphasis added]

    And the current conflict, with Western elites referring to NATO as our “ally” and openly supplying them with arms makes clear that that was for real. Not to mention the fact that the arms Ukraine already has were given it by the West.

    No, the NATO embrace of Ukraine is now plain for all to see.

    And that tie must be cut. Clearly, decisively, and permanently.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @PhysicistDave

    Thanks for the note on the Bucharest conference. What never get said is that both Germany and France were strongly against the expansion but were, of course, overruled by the Regime of the Prince of Peace Bush the Lesser.

  57. Wrong Sport.
    For the past 40 years or more, Scotland, Wales and NI have become nonentities in international football. There was a time when every top English club side had 2 or 3 scots in their team, now there are only 10 in the top 20 club although squads are a lot larger.
    England are stronger than they have been for years – 4th in the world cup, 2nd in the European Cup.
    Much helped because England grab all the best immigrants. Technically a young African immigrant qualifies to play for any of the 4 Home nations irrespective of where he lives. In practice they choose England if they can, their home African nation if they can’t.

    The right sport is Rugby where Scotland beat England a couple of weeks ago, and N Ireland play as a joint Ireland team with Eire. In the 6 nations (with France and newcomers and perpetually last Italy) England probably have the best record recently but it is very much a close contest each year, with England 5th last year above only Italy.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)
    @michael droy


    The right sport is Rugby where Scotland beat England a couple of weeks ago, and N Ireland play as a joint Ireland team with Eire. In the 6 nations (with France and newcomers and perpetually last Italy) England probably have the best record recently but it is very much a close contest each year, with England 5th last year above only Italy.
     
    And then every four years the home nations combine into the British and Irish Lions for purposes of touring the Southern Hemisphere's former British Imperial possessions of Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.
  58. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!
     
    Some folks may not have heard yet that the thirteen famous martyrs of Snake Island who died after telling the Russian attackers to "Go f*** yourselves!" are actually still alive, according to the Ukrainian navy, taken captive by the Russians.

    But it sure made a good story!

    The first casualty in war...

    In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    That is, if there actually is any significant Ukrainian military presence left in the area of Kiev?

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    Is this what they mean by "controlling the narrative"?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paperback Writer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666, @Paul Mendez

    Gee wiz, I completely forgot about the scam-demic ,southern border ,stolen election ,economic destruction of our nation and hundreds of other outrages…….I’m just glued to the tv watching Kiev and eating bonbons.

  59. @LondonBob
    If England got to vote on whether Scotland should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.

    I think the real message is how quickly even very stable multinational entities can unravel, Scottish independence was a fringe obsession not so long ago, then came Blair's constitutional vandalism of devolution and the film Braveheart.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    “I think the real message is how quickly even very stable multinational entities can unravel, Scottish independence was a fringe obsession not so long ago, then came Blair’s constitutional vandalism of devolution and the film Braveheart….”

    Stirling Bridge was 1297, Bannockburn was in 1314.

    Glubb Pasha:

    “While the empire is enjoying its High Noon of prosperity, all these people are proud and glad to be imperial citizens. But when decline sets in, it is extraordinary how the memory of ancient wars, perhaps centuries before, is suddenly revived…”

    http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

  60. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Abolish_public_education

    "Scotland has a reputation of being a net tax leech. Lots of UK taxpayers would be happy to see them leave."

    Tax leech, eh? You ain't seen nothing yet!

    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim "New Scots" (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won't be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.

    "Wales is not a separate country."

    [sigh]

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim “New Scots” (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won’t be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.

    It looks like they’re preparing for that.

    For example, in the latest Gaelic translation of Robert Louis Stevenson’s Kidnapped the main character’s name has been changed from David to Khaleel:
    https://www.gaelicbooks.org/product/fo-bhruid-2

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Coemgen

    I really would not have believed that had you not provided the link. Thank you.

    At this point, IDGAF. I have enough on my plate to care about Scotland. Time was I'd have been a nice little Unz commenter and wasted energy on bemoaning this but not now. Perhaps God has a plan after all.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Anonymous
    @Coemgen

    That is fucking mental.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Coemgen

    Heh. As if any of the Surplus Poor Brown People are ever going to bother to learn to read Gaelic (unless there's a bit of it printed on their welfare checks), much less read Stevenson -- even in English.

  61. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    Just where are Francis Fukuyama and Steve Pinker when you need them?

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Fukuyama needs to commit seppuku

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  62. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @LondonBob
    @Wilkey

    I get the impression the upper ranks of the SNP are pretty well infiltrated by the intelligence services, they spend more time attacking Russia than plotting independence these days.

    I remember when the US government sanctioned Kremlin officials in 2014, I think a good twenty percent were from the Ukraine. A strand of Ukrainian identity the CIA have done their best to marginalise, interested to see what the Russians do, will they be able to promote it, whilst marginalising the Western Ukrainian Bandera form of Ukrainian national identity?

    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?

    Replies: @HammerJack, @PhysicistDave, @Anonymous

    The SNP are basically New Labour – they are balls deep in all that uncontrolled mass immigration stuff, and ‘equalities’ and LGBT bollocks – but unlike New Labour they tend to the collectivist and socialist rather the Blair/Brown brand of full blown, neoliberal, devil take the hindmost, Thatcherism.

  63. @Justice Duvall
    England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are separate countries.

    They have different legal systems (or did, in the case of Wales). In fact, Scottish law bears no relationship to English common law.

    The four countries have agreed to be United in a Kingdom.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @RAZ

    Difficult for an American to understand which made it a joke in the Ted Lasso show (American who goes to England to coach a football (their description) team).

    Question: How many countries y’all got in this country?

    Answer: Four

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  64. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    And I don’t think it’s Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It’s Russian imperialism that is natural to him.

    I think it’s not having nukes right on his doorstep that seems natural to him, and not being provoked endlessly by a hostile military alliance that seems natural to him.

    • Replies: @Professional Slav
    @Paperback Writer

    By this logic are the Baltics next? And then maybe Finland and Sweden? Surely they have a few random skinheads with unsavory flags there that need denazifying.

  65. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!
     
    Some folks may not have heard yet that the thirteen famous martyrs of Snake Island who died after telling the Russian attackers to "Go f*** yourselves!" are actually still alive, according to the Ukrainian navy, taken captive by the Russians.

    But it sure made a good story!

    The first casualty in war...

    In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    That is, if there actually is any significant Ukrainian military presence left in the area of Kiev?

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    Is this what they mean by "controlling the narrative"?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paperback Writer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666, @Paul Mendez

    I firmly believe that the Ghost of Kyov or however it’s spelled this year died protecting her homeland. She leaves a wife and four cats.

  66. @Coemgen
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim “New Scots” (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won’t be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.
     
    It looks like they're preparing for that.

    For example, in the latest Gaelic translation of Robert Louis Stevenson's Kidnapped the main character's name has been changed from David to Khaleel:
    https://www.gaelicbooks.org/product/fo-bhruid-2

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I really would not have believed that had you not provided the link. Thank you.

    At this point, IDGAF. I have enough on my plate to care about Scotland. Time was I’d have been a nice little Unz commenter and wasted energy on bemoaning this but not now. Perhaps God has a plan after all.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Paperback Writer

    thanks

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Paperback Writer


    Time was I’d have been a nice little Unz commenter and wasted energy on bemoaning this but not now.
     
    Same here.

    At this time, Steve's blog seems to have abandoned much of what it stood for. However, I would suggest reading some of the UR headline selections that are counter to the BS we are reading from Steve and some of his commenters.

    For example, from David Stockman:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-land-where-history-died-part-1/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  67. Funny how no one has mentioned the odd fact that for a large fraction of the English, Englishness doesn’t exist — they’re “British”.

  68. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Coemgen
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim “New Scots” (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won’t be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.
     
    It looks like they're preparing for that.

    For example, in the latest Gaelic translation of Robert Louis Stevenson's Kidnapped the main character's name has been changed from David to Khaleel:
    https://www.gaelicbooks.org/product/fo-bhruid-2

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    That is fucking mental.

  69. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!
     
    Some folks may not have heard yet that the thirteen famous martyrs of Snake Island who died after telling the Russian attackers to "Go f*** yourselves!" are actually still alive, according to the Ukrainian navy, taken captive by the Russians.

    But it sure made a good story!

    The first casualty in war...

    In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    That is, if there actually is any significant Ukrainian military presence left in the area of Kiev?

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    Is this what they mean by "controlling the narrative"?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paperback Writer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666, @Paul Mendez

    I noted some Russian twitterette said words to the effect of

    “If you say you’re ashamed to be Russian at this moment, then don’t worry, because you’re not Russian”

    To which a Russian-born naturalised Canuck, the founder of crypto Ethereum, replied

    “Go f*** yourself”

    Now from the twitter response, you’d have thought this was the most witty and crushing comeback in history. Vast numbers of Ukrainians and their supporters thought the girl had been well and truly put in her place.

    My first thought was “I wish them well, both Russians and Ukranians, but these aren’t my people and I don’t understand them“.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  70. I remember when I had first moved to the UK and being told about the Five Nations rugby tournament. That seemed like a weird number, and I asked who the five nations were. When I was told “England, Scotland Ireland, Wales and France,” I burst out laughing.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Recently Based

    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming "Six Nations" rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @meh

  71. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Because most Scots are socialists. Adam Smith is spinning in his grave😔

  72. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!
     
    Some folks may not have heard yet that the thirteen famous martyrs of Snake Island who died after telling the Russian attackers to "Go f*** yourselves!" are actually still alive, according to the Ukrainian navy, taken captive by the Russians.

    But it sure made a good story!

    The first casualty in war...

    In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    That is, if there actually is any significant Ukrainian military presence left in the area of Kiev?

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    Is this what they mean by "controlling the narrative"?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paperback Writer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666, @Paul Mendez

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    I tend to think it’s all B.S. Clearly, no one in the media has an actual clue as to what’s happening militarily on the ground. So instead they say silly things like the “resistance is greater than Putin expected.” How do they know what Putin expected?

    And Ukaraine is roughly the size of Texas. The German blitzkrieg took six weeks to take over France. So the Ruskies have moved pretty fast, historically speaking. Once a takeover starts to seem inevitable, Ukrainians will switch sides or put down their arms. No one ever wants to be the last guy killed in the war.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    Everything we're hearing is a lie. Everything. Even the stories about overwhelming popular disapproval of Russia. Sounds reasonable enough given how awful this is. It's certainly true of diplomats and bureaucrats who hate their own peoples. But several European countries have criminalized what they call "supporting Russia," meaning verbally supporting, not materially. 25 years in prison for saying you agree with Putin, in Slovakia. Our Democracy.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  73. OT, one for the lifters and maybe everyone if we live

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/28/muscle-strengthening-lowers-risk-of-death-from-all-causes-study-shows

    Half an hour of muscle strengthening activity such as lifting weights, push-ups or heavy gardening each week could help reduce the risk of dying from any cause by as much as a fifth, according to a new global analysis of studies conducted over three decades.

    Health guidelines recommend muscle strengthening activities, primarily because of the benefits for musculoskeletal health. Previous research has indicated a link to a lower risk of death, but until now experts did not know what the optimal “dose” might be.

    Until I damaged a knee in an unrelated incident, I did a 45 minute weights-for-oldies class once a week for a year – tiny weights (10 kilos max) but the instructress was relentless, even unweighted squats will exhaust you with repetition, and after 45 minutes you were shattered. My blood pressure went way down, didn’t need pills any more. Resting heart rate was lower than my sixtysomething age. Recommended.

    I see the point of instructors in that they force people like me out of the comfort zone and into the “can’t stop my legs shaking” zone.

    • Replies: @Prosa123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Strength training is excellent for overall health. It might seem otherwise because top bodybuilders drop dead all the time, but that's due to all the 'roids and HGH and other drugs, not the strength training.

  74. David Cameron was possibly the most incompetent Prime Minister in Britain’s history.

    Have you seen about the Ukranian woman journalist who stood up at a press conference and told Boris Johnson that NATO should impose a no-fly zone over the Ukraine – i.e. shoot down Russian aircraft – and accused him of being afraid of World War 3? To which he might have answered “Of course I am, you stupid cow.” But all the idiots on Twitter are making a heroine of her, because vagina.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Joe S. Walker

    Was that vagina smashable?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Ralph L
    @Joe S. Walker

    Cameron started the process that got them out of the EU, though that wasn't his intent.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker

  75. Anonymous[885] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nachum
    The late Otto von Habsburg, pretender to the Dual Monarchy, was once asked if he planned on watching the upcoming Austria-Hungary football match. "No," he replied, "but how interesting. Tell me, who are we playing?"

    Replies: @Anonymous

    That joke was doing the rounds a few years ago but alas the internet soon pounced:
    Austria and Hungary always had separate teams during the era of the dual monarchy just like England and Scotland.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Anonymous

    As they did when the joke was told, but I'm pretty sure Otto had his tongue firmly in cheek.

    But that's interesting! I didn't know there were national teams back then. Thanks. I wonder who my paternal ancestors- who were from the Empire but from neither kingdom but rather the nominal "Kingdom of Galicia"- would have supported.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  76. It is sadly true that the four nations do not play as one. I grew up in Northern Ireland in the 90s and the lament of ky parent’s generation was that George Best would never have his moment in the World Cup Sun, since Northern Ireland would never amount to anything as a squad.

    For my generation, it was (Sir) Ryan Giggs, one of the best footballers (and people!) of his generation, would not get their WC fame because while he was brilliant Wales was a non-starter.

    We often wondered how well a GB team would do as opposed to England alone, and it’s almost a slam dunk given they’d have been much better and often MUCH much better.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang

    "Ryan Giggs, one of the best footballers (and people!) of his generation"

    Ryan Giggs slept with his brother's wife. If that's one of the best people, who do you think are the worst?

    A pity for him to miss the big tournaments I admit, but at least the great Gareth Bale, a far better person AFAIK, got to play and star in Euro 2016. What a player.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sodxDn1PPDo

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang


    George Best would never have his moment in the World Cup Sun
     
    He was too slow to mature. NI's only appearance at the World Cup finals was in his rookie year.
  77. @Coemgen
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim “New Scots” (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won’t be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.
     
    It looks like they're preparing for that.

    For example, in the latest Gaelic translation of Robert Louis Stevenson's Kidnapped the main character's name has been changed from David to Khaleel:
    https://www.gaelicbooks.org/product/fo-bhruid-2

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Anonymous, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Heh. As if any of the Surplus Poor Brown People are ever going to bother to learn to read Gaelic (unless there’s a bit of it printed on their welfare checks), much less read Stevenson — even in English.

  78. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    MERKEL HERSELF ENRICHED
    “IT IS ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO STAY AWAY FROM PEOPLE”
    – Bodyguard from German Federal Criminal Police unable to prevent robbery
    – Stolen wallet contained Merkel’s ID card, debit card, driver’s license, and cash
    – Merkel went to the police station on Friedrichstrasse to report the theft herself
    – The former German chancellor had been browsing a delicatessen supermarket in Berlin’s Charlottenburg district
    – Berlin authorities confirmed that a 67-year-old woman’s wallet had been stolen in a supermarket, but did not elaborate further

    https://rmx.news/article/merkel-robbed-while-shopping-in-berlin/

    https://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/mitte/ex-kanzlerin-merkel-beim-einkaufen-in-berlin-beklaut

    • Thanks: Pixo, Charon
  79. @Hypnotoad666
    @PhysicistDave


    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?
     
    I tend to think it's all B.S. Clearly, no one in the media has an actual clue as to what's happening militarily on the ground. So instead they say silly things like the "resistance is greater than Putin expected." How do they know what Putin expected?

    And Ukaraine is roughly the size of Texas. The German blitzkrieg took six weeks to take over France. So the Ruskies have moved pretty fast, historically speaking. Once a takeover starts to seem inevitable, Ukrainians will switch sides or put down their arms. No one ever wants to be the last guy killed in the war.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Everything we’re hearing is a lie. Everything. Even the stories about overwhelming popular disapproval of Russia. Sounds reasonable enough given how awful this is. It’s certainly true of diplomats and bureaucrats who hate their own peoples. But several European countries have criminalized what they call “supporting Russia,” meaning verbally supporting, not materially. 25 years in prison for saying you agree with Putin, in Slovakia. Our Democracy.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @J.Ross

    I finally got around to reading (most of) Putin's speech. Having gone this far I think his only winning strategy is to go all the way and reincorporate Ukraine into Russia. Russia is dying out demographically and with one stroke can add 44 million to their current 144 million population. Once it's a fait accompli, Europe and America will have to get used to it. As far as Ukraine's membership in NATO and the EU, they can be part of those organizations when Russia joins at some point in the indefinite future.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  80. So maybe the USA could have 50 teams in the World Cup, as if we could qualify that many, and we would run out of acceptable team names….no South Dakota Sioux for instance. I remember the great Russian Army Hockey teams when they came over to play against NHL teams. Buffalo beat them here in our old “Aud.” Fun times, without civilian casualties.

    • Replies: @meh
    @Buffalo Joe


    So maybe the USA could have 50 teams in the World Cup, as if we could qualify that many, and we would run out of acceptable team names….no South Dakota Sioux for instance. I remember the great Russian Army Hockey teams when they came over to play against NHL teams. Buffalo beat them here in our old “Aud.” Fun times, without civilian casualties.
     
    The USA is big enough, in soccer terms, it could easily field three teams (Yankees, Dixie, West Coast, for instance) with a good chance of two or three of them qualifying in a weak region (CONCACAF) every four years. The only other consistently good team in the region is Mexico, except for the very recent rise of Canada. Since 1990 (with the exception of 2018) Mexico and USA have always qualified.

    The USA recognizes states but doesn't recognize regions so we don't have sporting recognition for regional identities like Dixie, New England, Midwest, Mid-Atlantic, West Coast, South-West, etc.

    CONCACAF with the addition of American regions would be a lot more interesting than the current situation since there's only one Central American team at a time that is half-decent (usually Costa Rica) and none in the Caribbean. Under the current setup Mexico and USA dominate when they aren't actively shooting themselves in the foot. That changes somewhat when a third team like Canada is playing well. Add another half-dozen decent teams and things get a lot more interesting.
  81. @Paperback Writer
    @Coemgen

    I really would not have believed that had you not provided the link. Thank you.

    At this point, IDGAF. I have enough on my plate to care about Scotland. Time was I'd have been a nice little Unz commenter and wasted energy on bemoaning this but not now. Perhaps God has a plan after all.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Buzz Mohawk

    thanks

  82. Yeah, the World Cup theory has more meat-on-its-bones than the evil Putin theory pushed by the globalist media.

    In reality, Putin was very clear in his Feb 22, 2022 speach:

    “In addition, the U.S. Embassy directly controls the National Agency for Corruption Prevention, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau NABU, the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office, and the Supreme Anti-Corruption Court. All of this is done under the plausible pretext of making the fight against corruption more effective. Fine, fine, but where are the results? Corruption is in full bloom and thriving better than ever.

    Are Ukrainians themselves aware of all these methods of their administration? Do they realize that their country is not simply under a political and economic protectorate, but has been reduced to the level of a colony with a puppet regime? The privatization of the state has led the government that calls itself the “power of patriots” to lose its national character and consistently pursue the complete de-sovereignization of the country.”

    excerpted from: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/22/vladimir-putin-full-text-of-february-21-2022-speech/

    I believe corruption is his word for globalization.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Coemgen


    I believe corruption is his word for globalization
     
    I hope so for his sake since it's utterly laughable for Russia's head of state to complain about corruption going on in other countries.
  83. @Wilkey

    Analogously, to me it seemed recklessly irresponsible of UK Prime Minister David Cameron to grant the 2014 independence referendum in Scotland on the terms that 50% plus one vote would break up the UK as it had existed since 1707 with the rest of the UK having no say in the matter.
     
    Why should the rest of the UK have a say in the matter? If my wife ever decides to leave me I won't have a say in the matter. I could make the legal settlement easier or harder, but I won't have a say. Although it certainly doesn't make much sense to sever a 300 year old union based on a one-time vote of 50% + 1.

    What I've never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    The so-called "Scottish National Party" seems neither very Scottish nor very nationalist. And I suspect if I went to a party full of SNP members I would find it incredibly boring.

    And I don't think it's Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It's Russian imperialism that is natural to him. Unity based on mutual affection and consent is not the same as unity achieved vie a force. It's the difference between consensual sex and rape.

    Replies: @inertial, @Reg Cæsar, @LondonBob, @Joe Walker, @jimmyriddle, @Paperback Writer, @Ian Smith, @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    What I’ve never understood is why so many Scots would want to regain their sovereignty from the English only to hand that sovereignty over to the EU. It seems downright absurdist to me. Do the Scots really think it would be better to be joined with Europe than with the rest of Britain?

    Perhaps you should view modern Nationalists in two distinct worldviews – Nationalists traditionally understood who prize self-determination for a people, owing to the Latinate origin of the word “nation,” as distinguished from more modern leftists who are concerned with an abstract notion of “de-colonizing” places, particularly third world imperial holdings of formerly great powers.

    The SNP’s worldview seems much more akin to the latter, and seem to imagine their relationship with England to be something like Kenya’s or Ceylon’s. If the British, under dominance of the English, had to remove from the Empire’s colonies in East Africa and Ceylon, then they should have to remove from Scotland. Anti-Imperialism and “de-colonization” as used here are leftist concepts, so in their minds there is no conflict with engaging in other left wing projects like the EU or mass third world immigration. Certainly the SNP used symbolism of the Scottish people and nation in its referendum push with tartans and bagpipes and the whole thing, but the anticipated end point would be something quite different than a nation of Scots with political independence.

  84. This article is a pretty good introduction to the wobbly historical underpinnings of this war, and I do understand that Ukraine in NATO is a direct threat to Russia, and that the US has had its thumb up Ukraine’s butt, but all the articles supporting Russia have ended up convincing me that Ukraine has a case, too. The best reason for supporting Putin, and it’s a pretty good reason, is that letting Putin roll over Ukraine now might put off WWIII for a little while. Ukraine and Russia have common spiritual roots in Eastern Orthodoxy, but when Stalin hung the Kulaks, took away their farms, demanded they fund his Five Year Plan, and starved them by the millions (gobsmacked that idiot academics are still defending Stalin!?), any Russia empire lost all good will. No wonder Ukraine gave the Nazis the red carpet. It all goes back to that, and the US has used those still raw feelings to manipulate Ukraine. People have long memories, a lot longer than 100 years. Anybody who wants to school me, go ahead. I’m trying to figure this complicated situation out.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Red Pill Angel

    But Stalin was a Georgian and Lazar Kaganovich was a Ukrainian Jew.

    Replies: @Red Pill Angel

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @Red Pill Angel


    Anybody who wants to school me, go ahead. I’m trying to figure this complicated situation out.
     
    Some more recent history might be enlightening here, and I'm not talking about the political events in 2014. I'm talking about the ongoing natural gas wars between Russia and Ukraine.

    The very short synopsis is this: Ukraine is a kleptocratic state that steals vast amounts of money and resources from Russia, and then uses that wherewithal to fund an international base of gangsterism, money laundering, and anti-Russian hackery.

    You can read about the gas wars here. The following resource is long but it is quite fascinating.

    Ukraine's Gas Sector, Oxford Institute for Energy Studies.
  85. @Puttheforkdown
    @SimpleSong

    I don’t think Karlin has to get in a tank, as Russia is well on the way to victory in weeks tops, regardless of what anyone does now.

    Speaking of tough guys, the fella in the kremlin looks strong as ever. Hats off!

    Replies: @AndrewR

    The US achieved “victory” in Iraq in a few weeks. At least that’s what George Bush infamously announced on that aircraft carrier. Then a very bloody and protracted insurgency began, if you’ll recall.

    I think Putin underestimated the will of the Ukrainian people and NATO to resist this war. This will either lead to regime change in Moscow, or nuclear war. Even a wholesale genocide of Ukrainians would almost certainly bring down the Russian regime. This is bad bad bad.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    @AndrewR

    Aren't there a lot of Ukrainians running for the exits?

    , @Wokechoke
    @AndrewR

    He’s not declared victory but he has occupied the key areas in the Black Sea. He can resettle Russians in the houses vacated by refugees. Bush could not colonise Iraq like Putin can colonise the Dneiper valley. The flood of refugees from Ukraine is immense already and will grow. A visa in Germany for example looks good right now for a semi skilled Ukrainian.

    , @Whiskey
    @AndrewR

    No it won't, and lets get real.

    Ukraine is flat flat flat. Top Gear did a series there years ago and it was so flat and huge they were bored out of their skulls driving through it. There is no natural defense, suitability for ambush, etc.

    Next, the population is mostly old. Older people don't stage ambushes against young soldiers with what? Unlike the US the population in Ukraine is mostly disarmed. What few assault rifles they have handed out in the cities have only a few rounds. Most of Ukraine's youth left years ago, or is leaving now to avoid conscription. The place has been run by one Oligarch or another looting the place since independence.

    Next, NATO is old, old, old. What few young White people they have are mostly 100% soy. They won't be fighting in real life, just Nintendo. The vibrant young diverse migrants won't be fighting either, unless its to blow up a concert or take White women. Africans and Muslims don't fancy dying against Russia -- they came to Europe for welfare and White women.

    Finally, what ordinary people think in Russia is likely anti-Putin among the urban upper class (the same Globally really) but they don't matter there, or in Turkey, or India, or China. What matters in Russia is the military and intelligence services and they seem Putin men.

    Putin's bet is his relative manpower advantage: he has more young fighting men more motivated on balance than Ukraine and NATO combined, along with his control of resources (the US imports now 7% of its oil from Russia, and Germany 60% of its natural gas) such as oil, gas, fertilizer, FOOD and an alliance with China will let him win out siege fashion against the West. He will also gain real military knowledge and likely operational reform out of this -- better logistics, combined arms, training the next time. Which is certain to happen.

    Putin also only has to keep a few people happy: military and intelligence bosses. The West is filled with nations looking to cut side deals to keep their people fed, that includes Turkey which could OPEN the straights to Russia if enough fuel and food were coming their way. Now Democrats and Republicans like McConnell and Graham and Tester want to ban imports of Russian oil -- while keeping "green" and investing in solar panels to get Gasoline up to $10 a gallon.

    The West cannot function and will not function on anti-White hatred as the moral foundation of society under very hard times: not enough fuel, not enough food to eat, not enough power. Think Latinos are happy to sell their pickups and eat bugs for Ukraine? They are not here for Gringo's moral crusade holmes. The US can easily crack up very quickly after thirty years of HATE WHITEY as the official religion and very hard times.

  86. @Reg Cæsar
    https://preview.redd.it/tjsgnbqpbdi81.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=d554d6628e6e71e88586c6260833aae3e1725981

    Replies: @SafeNow


    Fascinating male-hair map, thanks. Is there a female version? Asking for a friend. I am probably projecting, but I imagine the group here to be mainly a clean-shaven lot. Certainly very few neckbeards. In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @SafeNow

    "calf hair being a dorky look at the gym"

    You learn so much here. And I thought it was only male cyclists who shaved their legs.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @SafeNow

    In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    What?

    Replies: @David Davenport

    , @Jmaie
    @SafeNow


    In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.
     
    Who da fuk gives a crap what other guys at the gym think about their calf hair?
  87. But I’m not much of a soccer fan, so the fact that the UK is represented by four separate national soccer teams in the World Cup didn’t have much effect on my thinking. But in the UK, in contrast, most everybody seemed to agree that of course Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are separate nations: just look at the World Cup!

    There’s a tradition of the “home nations” (England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales) competing against one another in sport. The Six Nations Rugby Championship is a long standing example of this.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    " The Six Nations Rugby Championship is a long standing example of this."

    Good BBC story here. After the Derry shootings ("Bloody Sunday") and the burning of the British Embassy and some British businesses in Dublin, Scotland and Wales refused to play rugby there and the tournament was cut short.

    But the following year England turned up.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60236293


    Before kick-off the Ireland team was deliberately held back so that England ran out alone. There followed a huge standing ovation from the crowd that lasted more than five minutes.

    A former IRFU president who was at Lansdowne Road that day, Billy Glynn, said; "I looked back at people up in the stand behind me and there were tears on everybody's faces. And then I realised there were tears on my own face.

    "It became an occasion of friendship. I said, this is a great day for sport."

    Duckham remembers it clearly.

    "It was such an emotional moment because it caught us out," he says. "We weren't expecting the whole stadium to erupt. The loud cacophony of sound. I mean, it was just unbelievably ear splitting.

    Ireland dominated with two tries scored by winger Tom Grace and centre Dick Milliken that saw them win 18-9. The result was somewhat irrelevant though.

    Glynn recalls: "After the match everybody was talking about what happened before kick-off. And people still talk about it today and say 'I was there'."

    Then there is that famous quote from the England captain Pullin at the post-match dinner: "We may not be very good, but at least we turn up."

    His comment received another five-minute applause.
     
  88. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @houston 1992
    @Reg Cæsar

    If Scotland secedes then they face onerous negotiations to re-join the EU and the Euro currency. The EU is clear that they wont inherit the old EU membership terms that the UK enjoyed/suffered under pre -Brexit. Rather , the suffering and terms will be harsher along with the departure of defense jobs etc

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Anonymous

    They are adamant they would retain both the pound which predatees the Union and the monarchy, Queen Elizabeth 1st of Scotland, Second of England.

  89. I understand Putin is next planning to de-Nazify the Borscht Belt Comic circuit.

  90. Off topic, but an amazing new front in world war hair: https://t.co/9EQ9Zd73sI

  91. @SafeNow
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://media.wired.com/photos/590963ab76f462691f012e85/master/pass/533175273.jpg

    Fascinating male-hair map, thanks. Is there a female version? Asking for a friend. I am probably projecting, but I imagine the group here to be mainly a clean-shaven lot. Certainly very few neckbeards. In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jmaie

    “calf hair being a dorky look at the gym”

    You learn so much here. And I thought it was only male cyclists who shaved their legs.

  92. anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, the fight for true and meaningful freedom is taking place right here at home …

    ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — The Minnesota House of Representatives passed legislation with bipartisan support Monday that would make it illegal to discriminate against someone because of their hairstyle.

    The “CROWN” Act, an acronym meaning “Creating a Respectful and Open World for Natural hair,” would add hairstyle and texture to a provision in the Minnesota Human Rights Act that prohibits racial discrimination in housing, employment and education, among other areas.

    Rep. Esther Agbaje, of Minneapolis, the bill’s author, said the legislation adds explicit language on hair-based discrimination to make it easier for judges that have discrimination cases come before them and to simplify the complaint process.

    The bill passed 104-25.

    “At the heart of this bill is the ability to allow more people to show up as their authentic selves in school or in the workplace without fear of repercussions because of their hair,” Agbaje said on the House floor before the vote Monday afternoon.

    Agbaje cited an incident when an employer banned hairstyles worn by Black employees like afros, braids and dreadlocks, and proceeded to fire employees who refused to cut their hair once the policy was put in place. The bill, she said, would prevent such incidents while removing added stress felt by Black employees and students to conform in the workplace by using chemicals to straighten their hair.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    ThreeFiveSeven, the famous Minnesota..."Don't be touchin' our hairs" bill. How about them three inch finger nails, are those protected too?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  93. @AndrewR
    @Puttheforkdown

    The US achieved "victory" in Iraq in a few weeks. At least that's what George Bush infamously announced on that aircraft carrier. Then a very bloody and protracted insurgency began, if you'll recall.

    I think Putin underestimated the will of the Ukrainian people and NATO to resist this war. This will either lead to regime change in Moscow, or nuclear war. Even a wholesale genocide of Ukrainians would almost certainly bring down the Russian regime. This is bad bad bad.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Wokechoke, @Whiskey

    Aren’t there a lot of Ukrainians running for the exits?

  94. anonymous[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Justice Duvall

    Wales is not a seperate country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Jonathan Mason

    It’s a separate subphylum?

  95. @michael droy
    Wrong Sport.
    For the past 40 years or more, Scotland, Wales and NI have become nonentities in international football. There was a time when every top English club side had 2 or 3 scots in their team, now there are only 10 in the top 20 club although squads are a lot larger.
    England are stronger than they have been for years - 4th in the world cup, 2nd in the European Cup.
    Much helped because England grab all the best immigrants. Technically a young African immigrant qualifies to play for any of the 4 Home nations irrespective of where he lives. In practice they choose England if they can, their home African nation if they can't.

    The right sport is Rugby where Scotland beat England a couple of weeks ago, and N Ireland play as a joint Ireland team with Eire. In the 6 nations (with France and newcomers and perpetually last Italy) England probably have the best record recently but it is very much a close contest each year, with England 5th last year above only Italy.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    The right sport is Rugby where Scotland beat England a couple of weeks ago, and N Ireland play as a joint Ireland team with Eire. In the 6 nations (with France and newcomers and perpetually last Italy) England probably have the best record recently but it is very much a close contest each year, with England 5th last year above only Italy.

    And then every four years the home nations combine into the British and Irish Lions for purposes of touring the Southern Hemisphere’s former British Imperial possessions of Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.

  96. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    But I’m not much of a soccer fan, so the fact that the UK is represented by four separate national soccer teams in the World Cup didn’t have much effect on my thinking. But in the UK, in contrast, most everybody seemed to agree that of course Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are separate nations: just look at the World Cup!
     
    There's a tradition of the "home nations" (England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales) competing against one another in sport. The Six Nations Rugby Championship is a long standing example of this.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    ” The Six Nations Rugby Championship is a long standing example of this.”

    Good BBC story here. After the Derry shootings (“Bloody Sunday”) and the burning of the British Embassy and some British businesses in Dublin, Scotland and Wales refused to play rugby there and the tournament was cut short.

    But the following year England turned up.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/60236293

    Before kick-off the Ireland team was deliberately held back so that England ran out alone. There followed a huge standing ovation from the crowd that lasted more than five minutes.

    A former IRFU president who was at Lansdowne Road that day, Billy Glynn, said; “I looked back at people up in the stand behind me and there were tears on everybody’s faces. And then I realised there were tears on my own face.

    “It became an occasion of friendship. I said, this is a great day for sport.”

    Duckham remembers it clearly.

    “It was such an emotional moment because it caught us out,” he says. “We weren’t expecting the whole stadium to erupt. The loud cacophony of sound. I mean, it was just unbelievably ear splitting.

    Ireland dominated with two tries scored by winger Tom Grace and centre Dick Milliken that saw them win 18-9. The result was somewhat irrelevant though.

    Glynn recalls: “After the match everybody was talking about what happened before kick-off. And people still talk about it today and say ‘I was there’.”

    Then there is that famous quote from the England captain Pullin at the post-match dinner: “We may not be very good, but at least we turn up.”

    His comment received another five-minute applause.

  97. @Lex
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Ukraine doesn't collect Russian federal funds and it's citizens don't vote in Russian elections.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Do you understand what an “analogy” is?

    Analogy:

    a: a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect

    b: resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : SIMILARITY

  98. The Scottish referendum seemed ridiculous to me.

    It struck me at the the time that only voters living in Scotland were allowed to vote, which would include many English people, and yet millions of Scots living in England or overseas, who would be qualified for Scottish citizenship in a future independent Scotland, were not allowed to vote on their own citizenship.

    However, no-one in the UK seemed to agree with me at the time.

    Meanwhile Barbados has recently detached itself from the British Commonwealth and Dame Sandra Mason (no relation) has taken over the position of head of state formerly held by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
    Spot the difference!

    Perhaps each province of Ukraine should now have a referendum to decide whether to be part of Russia, with all expatriate Ukrainians allowed to vote too.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Jonathan Mason

    There was some bitterness about Barbados becoming independent in the British press, but even for them blaming Russia for it was too far fetched, so they went for the blaming China narrative instead.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker

    , @Graham
    @Jonathan Mason

    Barbados is still in the Commonwealth. Most Commonwealth nations do not have the Queen as their head of state.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  99. @PhysicistDave
    @LondonBob

    LondonBob asked:


    The Russia endgame will be interesting, will they partition, a puppet regime, just leave with the Crimea, or with Donbass too?
     
    The Russians also have to cut the military ties between Ukraine and the West.

    Our oh-so-brilliant commentators in the West have been treating Putin as an idiot for thinking that Ukraine would really ever be allowed into NATO. However, as I pointed out on another thread, in 2008, NATO formally announced that Ukraine would join NATO:

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations. [emphasis added]
     
    And the current conflict, with Western elites referring to NATO as our "ally" and openly supplying them with arms makes clear that that was for real. Not to mention the fact that the arms Ukraine already has were given it by the West.

    No, the NATO embrace of Ukraine is now plain for all to see.

    And that tie must be cut. Clearly, decisively, and permanently.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Thanks for the note on the Bucharest conference. What never get said is that both Germany and France were strongly against the expansion but were, of course, overruled by the Regime of the Prince of Peace Bush the Lesser.

  100. @Recently Based
    I remember when I had first moved to the UK and being told about the Five Nations rugby tournament. That seemed like a weird number, and I asked who the five nations were. When I was told "England, Scotland Ireland, Wales and France," I burst out laughing.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.
     
    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations--England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called 'Ulster' that represents Northern Ireland only.

    The tournament started in 1883 with the 4 home countries, then France was added in 1910, and Italy in 2000.

    The Iroqois league certainly started out much earlier, with the Beaver wars in 1609, and then temporarily split in two during the Revolutionary war in the US.

    The Iroqois were enthusiastic proponents of slavery, but didn't treat their slaves very well, and found that Europeans made very poor slaves, so they preferred to trade them for wampun, or just kill them if they were of no commercial value.

    During the astonishing process of "Indian termination" during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands, but they have not attracted many fans in recent years, and the six nations are now divided between Canada and the US.

    They stil issue their own passports, but these are rarely accepted for international travel and the passports are not accepted for entry into Canada. In fact In early 2010, a delegation from Kahnawake to an environmental conference in Bolivia was unable to return to Canada on the passport, stranding the group in El Salvador for several weeks before they were allowed, under escort, to transit via the United States.

    The six nations rugby league has no such problems, and presumably now that Brits no longer have EU passports, British rugby players and fans will still be able to travel to France and Italy to play and watch rugby and drink beer--however many of the most popular French and Italian beers are manufactured by Heineken, which may be a bit of a downer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @(((They))) Live, @meh

    , @meh
    @Buffalo Joe


    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.
     
    The Iroquois do have a national team in the sport of lacrosse, by the way. Not internationally recognized, except within the sport of lacrosse itself.
  101. @Joe S. Walker
    David Cameron was possibly the most incompetent Prime Minister in Britain's history.

    Have you seen about the Ukranian woman journalist who stood up at a press conference and told Boris Johnson that NATO should impose a no-fly zone over the Ukraine - i.e. shoot down Russian aircraft - and accused him of being afraid of World War 3? To which he might have answered "Of course I am, you stupid cow." But all the idiots on Twitter are making a heroine of her, because vagina.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ralph L

    Was that vagina smashable?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Wokechoke

    Quite easy on the eye, but she's an exec member of a Soros-funded "Anti-corruption centre".

    I'm sure Boris would hit it.

    https://www.thenational.scot/resources/images/13526072.png


    Buffalo Joe - he'd have to fall off Pointe du Hoc where the Rangers distinguished themselves. The cliffs slope down at Omaha. Still a couple of concrete landing ships stuck in the sand. The US cemetery there is a sobering sight.

  102. In some ways Ukrain is a little bit like the CSA. The Dneiper is a lot like the Mississippi and or Shenandoah valley.

  103. I have a thirtysomething friend – a Southerner with no ancestral connection to Eastern Europe – who’s talking about volunteering for the Ukrainian army. He seems pretty serious about it, but I can’t tell if it’s a real thing or just a passing fancy. He’s been a World War I and II history buff since childhood and he’s been totally obsessed with this war since it started.

    Honestly, he’s scaring me a little. He told me he’s always fantasized about dying on a European battlefield.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Stan Adams

    Stan, your friend could simply fly over and walk off the cliffs at Omaha Beach and fall to his death. Does that fulfill his fantasy?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @James of Africa
    @Stan Adams

    Valhalla! Maybe it would be easier to suicide attack a narco cartel hit squad in Mexico. Budget Valhalla! But yea, Europe would rock, unless there's negotiations, so aw fuck, guard duty, no bro!

    , @Joe S.Walker
    @Stan Adams

    So let him go to a WW1 memorial in France and shoot himself.

  104. @Red Pill Angel
    This article is a pretty good introduction to the wobbly historical underpinnings of this war, and I do understand that Ukraine in NATO is a direct threat to Russia, and that the US has had its thumb up Ukraine’s butt, but all the articles supporting Russia have ended up convincing me that Ukraine has a case, too. The best reason for supporting Putin, and it’s a pretty good reason, is that letting Putin roll over Ukraine now might put off WWIII for a little while. Ukraine and Russia have common spiritual roots in Eastern Orthodoxy, but when Stalin hung the Kulaks, took away their farms, demanded they fund his Five Year Plan, and starved them by the millions (gobsmacked that idiot academics are still defending Stalin!?), any Russia empire lost all good will. No wonder Ukraine gave the Nazis the red carpet. It all goes back to that, and the US has used those still raw feelings to manipulate Ukraine. People have long memories, a lot longer than 100 years. Anybody who wants to school me, go ahead. I’m trying to figure this complicated situation out.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Intelligent Dasein

    But Stalin was a Georgian and Lazar Kaganovich was a Ukrainian Jew.

    • Thanks: Red Pill Angel
    • Replies: @Red Pill Angel
    @Wokechoke

    Do you mean that Stalin, as a Georgian, wasn’t even really a Russian? Kaganovich may have been Ukrainian, but if he was a Jewish Commie, did the 1930’s Ukrainians consider him a compatriot? I cannot get my head around Ukrainians having apparently warm feelings for Ukrainian Jews and at the same time having a semi-official Nazi-ish party with members on the cabinet. Very confusing. None of this makes any sense at all. Btw, my original comment was intended for David Stockman’s article “The Land Where History Died,” and somehow ended up here, but hey, it’s all good.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ScarletNumber

  105. @AndrewR
    @Puttheforkdown

    The US achieved "victory" in Iraq in a few weeks. At least that's what George Bush infamously announced on that aircraft carrier. Then a very bloody and protracted insurgency began, if you'll recall.

    I think Putin underestimated the will of the Ukrainian people and NATO to resist this war. This will either lead to regime change in Moscow, or nuclear war. Even a wholesale genocide of Ukrainians would almost certainly bring down the Russian regime. This is bad bad bad.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Wokechoke, @Whiskey

    He’s not declared victory but he has occupied the key areas in the Black Sea. He can resettle Russians in the houses vacated by refugees. Bush could not colonise Iraq like Putin can colonise the Dneiper valley. The flood of refugees from Ukraine is immense already and will grow. A visa in Germany for example looks good right now for a semi skilled Ukrainian.

  106. @Red Pill Angel
    This article is a pretty good introduction to the wobbly historical underpinnings of this war, and I do understand that Ukraine in NATO is a direct threat to Russia, and that the US has had its thumb up Ukraine’s butt, but all the articles supporting Russia have ended up convincing me that Ukraine has a case, too. The best reason for supporting Putin, and it’s a pretty good reason, is that letting Putin roll over Ukraine now might put off WWIII for a little while. Ukraine and Russia have common spiritual roots in Eastern Orthodoxy, but when Stalin hung the Kulaks, took away their farms, demanded they fund his Five Year Plan, and starved them by the millions (gobsmacked that idiot academics are still defending Stalin!?), any Russia empire lost all good will. No wonder Ukraine gave the Nazis the red carpet. It all goes back to that, and the US has used those still raw feelings to manipulate Ukraine. People have long memories, a lot longer than 100 years. Anybody who wants to school me, go ahead. I’m trying to figure this complicated situation out.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Intelligent Dasein

    Anybody who wants to school me, go ahead. I’m trying to figure this complicated situation out.

    Some more recent history might be enlightening here, and I’m not talking about the political events in 2014. I’m talking about the ongoing natural gas wars between Russia and Ukraine.

    The very short synopsis is this: Ukraine is a kleptocratic state that steals vast amounts of money and resources from Russia, and then uses that wherewithal to fund an international base of gangsterism, money laundering, and anti-Russian hackery.

    You can read about the gas wars here. The following resource is long but it is quite fascinating.

    Ukraine’s Gas Sector, Oxford Institute for Energy Studies.

    • Thanks: Red Pill Angel
  107. Anonymous[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @Coemgen
    Yeah, the World Cup theory has more meat-on-its-bones than the evil Putin theory pushed by the globalist media.

    In reality, Putin was very clear in his Feb 22, 2022 speach:

    "In addition, the U.S. Embassy directly controls the National Agency for Corruption Prevention, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau NABU, the Specialized Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office, and the Supreme Anti-Corruption Court. All of this is done under the plausible pretext of making the fight against corruption more effective. Fine, fine, but where are the results? Corruption is in full bloom and thriving better than ever.

    Are Ukrainians themselves aware of all these methods of their administration? Do they realize that their country is not simply under a political and economic protectorate, but has been reduced to the level of a colony with a puppet regime? The privatization of the state has led the government that calls itself the “power of patriots” to lose its national character and consistently pursue the complete de-sovereignization of the country."

    excerpted from: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/02/22/vladimir-putin-full-text-of-february-21-2022-speech/

    I believe corruption is his word for globalization.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I believe corruption is his word for globalization

    I hope so for his sake since it’s utterly laughable for Russia’s head of state to complain about corruption going on in other countries.

  108. @Jonathan Mason
    The Scottish referendum seemed ridiculous to me.

    It struck me at the the time that only voters living in Scotland were allowed to vote, which would include many English people, and yet millions of Scots living in England or overseas, who would be qualified for Scottish citizenship in a future independent Scotland, were not allowed to vote on their own citizenship.

    However, no-one in the UK seemed to agree with me at the time.

    Meanwhile Barbados has recently detached itself from the British Commonwealth and Dame Sandra Mason (no relation) has taken over the position of head of state formerly held by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

    https://elcomercio.pe/resizer/u3KMhg992xMwzd_MXes0zfve14A=/580x330/smart/filters:format(jpeg):quality(75)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/elcomercio/6MPBPDZUGRCBBPFJE3DLXPGU2Q.jpg
    Spot the difference!

    Perhaps each province of Ukraine should now have a referendum to decide whether to be part of Russia, with all expatriate Ukrainians allowed to vote too.

    Replies: @neutral, @Graham

    There was some bitterness about Barbados becoming independent in the British press, but even for them blaming Russia for it was too far fetched, so they went for the blaming China narrative instead.

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
    @neutral

    At one time we would have thought nothing of invading Barbados for Her Majesty.

  109. @SafeNow
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://media.wired.com/photos/590963ab76f462691f012e85/master/pass/533175273.jpg

    Fascinating male-hair map, thanks. Is there a female version? Asking for a friend. I am probably projecting, but I imagine the group here to be mainly a clean-shaven lot. Certainly very few neckbeards. In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jmaie

    In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    What?

    • Replies: @David Davenport
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    What?


    The gay gym.

  110. All the European people who have bought 45 000 euros babies in Ukrain must be terrified for their investment. They will have to write off the investment and buy for another 120 000 dollars babies in the USA of a lesser quality. That’s a bit like Gas purchase … it’s a huge thing in Spain with documentary on TV on how to proceed .

  111. @YetAnotherAnon
    OT, one for the lifters and maybe everyone if we live

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/feb/28/muscle-strengthening-lowers-risk-of-death-from-all-causes-study-shows

    Half an hour of muscle strengthening activity such as lifting weights, push-ups or heavy gardening each week could help reduce the risk of dying from any cause by as much as a fifth, according to a new global analysis of studies conducted over three decades.

    Health guidelines recommend muscle strengthening activities, primarily because of the benefits for musculoskeletal health. Previous research has indicated a link to a lower risk of death, but until now experts did not know what the optimal “dose” might be.
     

    Until I damaged a knee in an unrelated incident, I did a 45 minute weights-for-oldies class once a week for a year - tiny weights (10 kilos max) but the instructress was relentless, even unweighted squats will exhaust you with repetition, and after 45 minutes you were shattered. My blood pressure went way down, didn't need pills any more. Resting heart rate was lower than my sixtysomething age. Recommended.

    I see the point of instructors in that they force people like me out of the comfort zone and into the "can't stop my legs shaking" zone.

    Replies: @Prosa123

    Strength training is excellent for overall health. It might seem otherwise because top bodybuilders drop dead all the time, but that’s due to all the ‘roids and HGH and other drugs, not the strength training.

  112. There should be only one public high school [soccer] program per county; per state in RI & DE.

    Decentralization only works in the private sector. In the public sector, decentralized bureaucracies compete with one another over which gets the larger budget, e.g. the most pimped-out sports facilities. Taxpayers always lose. (Imagine an end zone celebration, wherein the scorer spikes a taxpayer’s head.)

  113. @Anonymous
    @Nachum

    That joke was doing the rounds a few years ago but alas the internet soon pounced:
    Austria and Hungary always had separate teams during the era of the dual monarchy just like England and Scotland.

    Replies: @Nachum

    As they did when the joke was told, but I’m pretty sure Otto had his tongue firmly in cheek.

    But that’s interesting! I didn’t know there were national teams back then. Thanks. I wonder who my paternal ancestors- who were from the Empire but from neither kingdom but rather the nominal “Kingdom of Galicia”- would have supported.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Nachum

    Well soccer has been played at the Olympics in a recognizable form since 1912. Austria, Hungary, Finland, and Russia all competed as separate teams, even though the former two were considered one country and Finland was not independent of Russia.

    Then, going in the opposite direction, when Austria was annexed into Germany in March 1938 they withdrew from that year's World Cup, despite qualifying in October 1937. FIFA decided to leave the tournament at 15 teams rather than decide which team to invite to fill the spot.

    Replies: @Nachum

  114. @Anonymous
    @Justice Duvall

    Wales is not a seperate country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Jonathan Mason

  115. Anon[223] • Disclaimer says:

    NATO is having an emergency meeting on Friday. This is Tuesday. It’s not much of an emergency if they can wait three days.

    I suspect what triggered it is that Zelensky has told NATO he wants to surrender and head for his bolt hole out of the country. Zelensky knows he’s looking at either being in charge of a long and protracted insurgency, which he doesn’t have the stomach or talent for, or he is going to be captured, tried for war crimes against the civilians in Donestk and Luhansk, and shot. No doubt the Russians have threatened him with the latter if he doesn’t resign.

    Zelensky’s circle of cronies are also likely to be getting cold feet and want to bolt. They are a bunch of grifters installed to funnel money to the elites in the West, not men with talent and skills for war. They’re out of their depth, and they know it.

  116. @Buffalo Joe
    @Recently Based

    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming "Six Nations" rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @meh

    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.

    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations–England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called ‘Ulster’ that represents Northern Ireland only.

    The tournament started in 1883 with the 4 home countries, then France was added in 1910, and Italy in 2000.

    The Iroqois league certainly started out much earlier, with the Beaver wars in 1609, and then temporarily split in two during the Revolutionary war in the US.

    The Iroqois were enthusiastic proponents of slavery, but didn’t treat their slaves very well, and found that Europeans made very poor slaves, so they preferred to trade them for wampun, or just kill them if they were of no commercial value.

    During the astonishing process of “Indian termination” during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands, but they have not attracted many fans in recent years, and the six nations are now divided between Canada and the US.

    They stil issue their own passports, but these are rarely accepted for international travel and the passports are not accepted for entry into Canada. In fact In early 2010, a delegation from Kahnawake to an environmental conference in Bolivia was unable to return to Canada on the passport, stranding the group in El Salvador for several weeks before they were allowed, under escort, to transit via the United States.

    The six nations rugby league has no such problems, and presumably now that Brits no longer have EU passports, British rugby players and fans will still be able to travel to France and Italy to play and watch rugby and drink beer–however many of the most popular French and Italian beers are manufactured by Heineken, which may be a bit of a downer.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Jonathan Mason

    Jonathan, nice, informative reply and in truth the Six Nations of Iroquois are really only five nations from around here but they added the Tuscarora, who wre chased from the Carolinas by the Cherokees, but spoke an Iroquoian tongue. Great lacrosse, don't know if they play rugby. Stay safe.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Jonathan Mason


    During the astonishing process of “Indian termination” during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands...
     
    In New York, tribal treaties are not with the feds, but with the state. This might be the case in other East Coast states as well.
    , @(((They))) Live
    @Jonathan Mason

    The Ulster rugby them represents Ulster not Northern Ireland

    Ulster = 9 Counties

    Northern Ireland = 6 Counties

    So Northern Ireland has no rugby team, but of course every rugby fan in NI supports Ulster

    , @meh
    @Jonathan Mason


    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations–England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called ‘Ulster’ that represents Northern Ireland only.
     
    When the Republic of Ireland was established, the Irish Rugby Football Union continued to play as a united team representing the whole island, whereas soccer split in two with the Irish Football Association (based in Belfast) representing the north and the newly established Football Association of Ireland (in Dublin) representing the south.

    Ulster is a province covering Northern Ireland and part of the Republic; the four Irish provinces (Ulster, Munster, Leinster and Connacht) compete in the United Rugby Championship, which is a professional competition held every year, below the level of national teams.
  117. @Anonymous
    @Justice Duvall

    Wales is not a seperate country.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Reg Cæsar, @Jonathan Mason

  118. @Anon
    A few months ago, Rod Dreher wrote a post about a Catholic man he met last summer in Slovenia. The man and his wife were having all kinds of problems because their twelve-year-old had become obsessed with the idea that she was transgender. How did she get this idea? Was it from the ultraleft Slovenians who had taken over the local school system? No. She had been on her smartphone and got linked up with some older teenagers from Oregon in the USA. They gaslit her into thinking that she was trans and messed up her life.

    It's surreal that one of the perennial problems of political philosophy, how the citizens of a state should be educated, has been made in some sense obsolete in the past decade. It doesn't matter anymore what quaint ideas the political and intellectual leaders of Slovenia have: their youth will be educated by Netflix, Reddit, and Pornhub despite their best intentions.

    I don't pretend to have any deep knowledge of the cultural situation in the Ukraine. But maybe the Russians, especially the older ones, underestimated how much the Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, have been mentally colonized by the Global American Empire.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @AndrewR

    underestimated how much the Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, have been mentally colonized by the Global American Empire.

    This is nonsense. Upper middle class Muscovites are far more “globohomo” than your average Ukrainian. It is wealthy Russian elites, often close to Putin, who are hanging out with Western celebrities, partying with hedge fund managers at art galleries in London and taking courses on intersectionality at Harvard and Oxford. Meanwhile Ukrainians are working as truck drivers in Poland and listening to nationalistic folk music. It serves Russian interests and propaganda strategy to obscure this fact. It also serves Ukrainian interests that most American liberals have no idea how your average Ukrainian sees the world. Ukrainians hate Russians for the same reason Irish hate English, Vietnamese hate Chinese and Greeks hate Turks. A long history of being spit on and abused.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Meanwhile Ukrainians are working as truck drivers in Poland...
     
    Not to mention Canada. Though they may be giving way to the Sikhs.


    Work as a truck driver in Canada for Ukrainians

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Jmaie

  119. @Dumbo
    Not everyone cares as much about spectator sports as Steve does... And neither Ukraine nor Russia are that good at soccer.

    It's really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia. A particular region, perhaps, but not necessarily as a separate identity, much less a separate country. It was part of the Russian Empire, part of the Soviet Union, and even now, they speak basically the same language (Ukrainian is basically just a dialect, and in any case half of the country speaks Russian), have the same religion, and are pretty much the same people.

    Perhaps, politically and economically, there are reasons for the Ukraine to be now separate and closer to Europe, but that's all. Convenience, not identity.

    Scotland is the opposite, they have a more marked identity, but probably benefit more from being part of the UK.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Art Deco, @Frau Katze

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia.

    Only if you ignore the historic fact that Ukraine was Polish land stolen by the Muscovites in the 17th century. Polish was the language of culture and education in Kiev until the early 19th century. And of course much of modern Ukraine was Polish right up until 1939. Russians like to obscure the fact that “Russia” as we know it today is not an ancient country. Russia mostly consists of the lands the Muscovites conquered after the Golden Horde fell apart. Russia in its modern political sense is barely older than Massachusetts, and much younger than Mexico.

    • Thanks: Red Pill Angel
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Poland helped to invade Iraq. The Arabs are aware of this. Ukraine assisted in the occupation of Baghdad. What goes around comes around. Half of Kiev ran off according to cell phone data. Kiev should be colonizable in a few months with settlers now.

    , @J.Ross
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Are you arguing that they spoke Polish in Kievan Rus? So it was Russian land that temporarily became Polish. Just like how it was Russian land that temporarily became independent.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Poland became an independent country after World War I, with eastern cities such as Brześć, Lwów, and Wilno. After World War II the Soviet Union decided those cities were more ethnically Soviet, so they are now Brest, Belarus; Lviv, Ukraine; and Vilnius, the capital city of Lithuania.

    At the same time, some land in eastern Germany was decided to be more ethnically Polish, so Breslau, Danzig, and Stettin became Wrocław, Gdańsk, and Szczecin in an area known as the Recovered Territories.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  120. @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.
     
    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations--England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called 'Ulster' that represents Northern Ireland only.

    The tournament started in 1883 with the 4 home countries, then France was added in 1910, and Italy in 2000.

    The Iroqois league certainly started out much earlier, with the Beaver wars in 1609, and then temporarily split in two during the Revolutionary war in the US.

    The Iroqois were enthusiastic proponents of slavery, but didn't treat their slaves very well, and found that Europeans made very poor slaves, so they preferred to trade them for wampun, or just kill them if they were of no commercial value.

    During the astonishing process of "Indian termination" during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands, but they have not attracted many fans in recent years, and the six nations are now divided between Canada and the US.

    They stil issue their own passports, but these are rarely accepted for international travel and the passports are not accepted for entry into Canada. In fact In early 2010, a delegation from Kahnawake to an environmental conference in Bolivia was unable to return to Canada on the passport, stranding the group in El Salvador for several weeks before they were allowed, under escort, to transit via the United States.

    The six nations rugby league has no such problems, and presumably now that Brits no longer have EU passports, British rugby players and fans will still be able to travel to France and Italy to play and watch rugby and drink beer--however many of the most popular French and Italian beers are manufactured by Heineken, which may be a bit of a downer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @(((They))) Live, @meh

    Jonathan, nice, informative reply and in truth the Six Nations of Iroquois are really only five nations from around here but they added the Tuscarora, who wre chased from the Carolinas by the Cherokees, but spoke an Iroquoian tongue. Great lacrosse, don’t know if they play rugby. Stay safe.

  121. @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.
     
    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations--England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called 'Ulster' that represents Northern Ireland only.

    The tournament started in 1883 with the 4 home countries, then France was added in 1910, and Italy in 2000.

    The Iroqois league certainly started out much earlier, with the Beaver wars in 1609, and then temporarily split in two during the Revolutionary war in the US.

    The Iroqois were enthusiastic proponents of slavery, but didn't treat their slaves very well, and found that Europeans made very poor slaves, so they preferred to trade them for wampun, or just kill them if they were of no commercial value.

    During the astonishing process of "Indian termination" during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands, but they have not attracted many fans in recent years, and the six nations are now divided between Canada and the US.

    They stil issue their own passports, but these are rarely accepted for international travel and the passports are not accepted for entry into Canada. In fact In early 2010, a delegation from Kahnawake to an environmental conference in Bolivia was unable to return to Canada on the passport, stranding the group in El Salvador for several weeks before they were allowed, under escort, to transit via the United States.

    The six nations rugby league has no such problems, and presumably now that Brits no longer have EU passports, British rugby players and fans will still be able to travel to France and Italy to play and watch rugby and drink beer--however many of the most popular French and Italian beers are manufactured by Heineken, which may be a bit of a downer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @(((They))) Live, @meh

    During the astonishing process of “Indian termination” during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands…

    In New York, tribal treaties are not with the feds, but with the state. This might be the case in other East Coast states as well.

    • Agree: Buffalo Joe
  122. @Joe Walker
    @Wilkey

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @martin_2, @Art Deco

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions.

    This sentence doesn’t make any sense. Surely you’re not suggesting that Wales, the North of England, and Northern Ireland would be better off were it not for the wealth produced in the South of England!

  123. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Anon

    underestimated how much the Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, have been mentally colonized by the Global American Empire.

    This is nonsense. Upper middle class Muscovites are far more "globohomo" than your average Ukrainian. It is wealthy Russian elites, often close to Putin, who are hanging out with Western celebrities, partying with hedge fund managers at art galleries in London and taking courses on intersectionality at Harvard and Oxford. Meanwhile Ukrainians are working as truck drivers in Poland and listening to nationalistic folk music. It serves Russian interests and propaganda strategy to obscure this fact. It also serves Ukrainian interests that most American liberals have no idea how your average Ukrainian sees the world. Ukrainians hate Russians for the same reason Irish hate English, Vietnamese hate Chinese and Greeks hate Turks. A long history of being spit on and abused.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Meanwhile Ukrainians are working as truck drivers in Poland…

    Not to mention Canada. Though they may be giving way to the Sikhs.

    Work as a truck driver in Canada for Ukrainians

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Reg Cæsar

    Dansak probably created Covid19 as well in his biowar…bio research labs.

    , @Jmaie
    @Reg Cæsar


    Not to mention Canada. Though they may be giving way to the Sikhs.
     
    Not just Sikhs, lots of other folks from the sub-continent. As someone who interacts with truck drivers in Canada, the choice is...

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&ei=UTF-8&p=south+park+giant+douch+vs+terd+sandwich&type=E211US0G0#id=51&vid=64813e25984ca14a874585da55185635&action=click
  124. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Dumbo

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia.

    Only if you ignore the historic fact that Ukraine was Polish land stolen by the Muscovites in the 17th century. Polish was the language of culture and education in Kiev until the early 19th century. And of course much of modern Ukraine was Polish right up until 1939. Russians like to obscure the fact that "Russia" as we know it today is not an ancient country. Russia mostly consists of the lands the Muscovites conquered after the Golden Horde fell apart. Russia in its modern political sense is barely older than Massachusetts, and much younger than Mexico.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @J.Ross, @ScarletNumber

    Poland helped to invade Iraq. The Arabs are aware of this. Ukraine assisted in the occupation of Baghdad. What goes around comes around. Half of Kiev ran off according to cell phone data. Kiev should be colonizable in a few months with settlers now.

  125. @Reg Cæsar
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Meanwhile Ukrainians are working as truck drivers in Poland...
     
    Not to mention Canada. Though they may be giving way to the Sikhs.


    Work as a truck driver in Canada for Ukrainians

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Jmaie

    Dansak probably created Covid19 as well in his biowar…bio research labs.

  126. @J.Ross
    @Hypnotoad666

    Everything we're hearing is a lie. Everything. Even the stories about overwhelming popular disapproval of Russia. Sounds reasonable enough given how awful this is. It's certainly true of diplomats and bureaucrats who hate their own peoples. But several European countries have criminalized what they call "supporting Russia," meaning verbally supporting, not materially. 25 years in prison for saying you agree with Putin, in Slovakia. Our Democracy.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    I finally got around to reading (most of) Putin’s speech. Having gone this far I think his only winning strategy is to go all the way and reincorporate Ukraine into Russia. Russia is dying out demographically and with one stroke can add 44 million to their current 144 million population. Once it’s a fait accompli, Europe and America will have to get used to it. As far as Ukraine’s membership in NATO and the EU, they can be part of those organizations when Russia joins at some point in the indefinite future.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Hypnotoad666

    NATO exists solely as an anti-Russian alliance.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  127. @Jonathan Mason
    The Scottish referendum seemed ridiculous to me.

    It struck me at the the time that only voters living in Scotland were allowed to vote, which would include many English people, and yet millions of Scots living in England or overseas, who would be qualified for Scottish citizenship in a future independent Scotland, were not allowed to vote on their own citizenship.

    However, no-one in the UK seemed to agree with me at the time.

    Meanwhile Barbados has recently detached itself from the British Commonwealth and Dame Sandra Mason (no relation) has taken over the position of head of state formerly held by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

    https://elcomercio.pe/resizer/u3KMhg992xMwzd_MXes0zfve14A=/580x330/smart/filters:format(jpeg):quality(75)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/elcomercio/6MPBPDZUGRCBBPFJE3DLXPGU2Q.jpg
    Spot the difference!

    Perhaps each province of Ukraine should now have a referendum to decide whether to be part of Russia, with all expatriate Ukrainians allowed to vote too.

    Replies: @neutral, @Graham

    Barbados is still in the Commonwealth. Most Commonwealth nations do not have the Queen as their head of state.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Graham


    Most Commonwealth nations do not have the Queen as their head of state
     
    While this is literally true, 15 still do. The ones who do are the ones filled with white people who were settled by the British, e.g. Canada, Australia, New Zealand. The shit-hole countries are the ones who don't acknowledge Elizabeth as Head of State.
  128. @Joe S. Walker
    David Cameron was possibly the most incompetent Prime Minister in Britain's history.

    Have you seen about the Ukranian woman journalist who stood up at a press conference and told Boris Johnson that NATO should impose a no-fly zone over the Ukraine - i.e. shoot down Russian aircraft - and accused him of being afraid of World War 3? To which he might have answered "Of course I am, you stupid cow." But all the idiots on Twitter are making a heroine of her, because vagina.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ralph L

    Cameron started the process that got them out of the EU, though that wasn’t his intent.

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
    @Ralph L

    Exactly! His idea was that the referendum would be a win for Remain and would put down the idea of leaving Europe for a generation.

  129. @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.
     
    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations--England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called 'Ulster' that represents Northern Ireland only.

    The tournament started in 1883 with the 4 home countries, then France was added in 1910, and Italy in 2000.

    The Iroqois league certainly started out much earlier, with the Beaver wars in 1609, and then temporarily split in two during the Revolutionary war in the US.

    The Iroqois were enthusiastic proponents of slavery, but didn't treat their slaves very well, and found that Europeans made very poor slaves, so they preferred to trade them for wampun, or just kill them if they were of no commercial value.

    During the astonishing process of "Indian termination" during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands, but they have not attracted many fans in recent years, and the six nations are now divided between Canada and the US.

    They stil issue their own passports, but these are rarely accepted for international travel and the passports are not accepted for entry into Canada. In fact In early 2010, a delegation from Kahnawake to an environmental conference in Bolivia was unable to return to Canada on the passport, stranding the group in El Salvador for several weeks before they were allowed, under escort, to transit via the United States.

    The six nations rugby league has no such problems, and presumably now that Brits no longer have EU passports, British rugby players and fans will still be able to travel to France and Italy to play and watch rugby and drink beer--however many of the most popular French and Italian beers are manufactured by Heineken, which may be a bit of a downer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @(((They))) Live, @meh

    The Ulster rugby them represents Ulster not Northern Ireland

    Ulster = 9 Counties

    Northern Ireland = 6 Counties

    So Northern Ireland has no rugby team, but of course every rugby fan in NI supports Ulster

  130. @SafeNow


    young Russian troops have grown up with Russia and Ukraine having separate World Cup teams for their entire lives, so that seems natural to them.
     
    Don’t relegate the troops to being fans mainly of soccer. Russia and Ukraine are the two top chess-playing countries in the world. They have the most titled players per capita; about the same number per capita, in fact. And beyond individual play, there’s the Chess Olympiad of team play - - Russia and Ukraine usually in the top four. My guess is that a lot of troops play chess, and, follow elite chess. And, to them the rivalry is akin to a soccer “friendly.”

    Replies: @PassingBy, @David Davenport

    FIDE has yanked the chess Olympiad from Russia. They’re also going after Sergey Karjakin (the 2016 challenger for the world championship, who incidentally was born in Ukraine but is now a Russian citizen) for cheerleading the invasion.

    Probably the biggest news is that FIDE will not take Russian sponsorship money. Or at least that’s what they’re saying. FIDE is notoriously corrupt, and they’ll probably get the money under the table (or chessboard).

    Oh, one other thing. FIDE will prohibit Russian players from using the Russian flag. That’ll stop the invasion, no doubt.

  131. Enough of this macho crap about fighting between Russia and the Ukraine.

    Now, learn about the real “war within the war”:

    “A war within a war”: Transgender woman says transphobia and discriminatory laws keeping her hostage in Kyiv during Russian invasion

    In 2021, the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association said that the country’s adoption of a new trans health care protocol has been stalled, and that the LGBT community in Ukraine faced attacks and intimidation from far-right groups.

    That’s correct – far-right groups. You know who you are.

    CBS News, making sure the REAL story gets told.

    Idiots.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Anon7

    https://twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1498740047683719171?s=20&t=e1kgSilXfHP4n9mR6M-E5g

    , @Charon
    @Anon7

    In case you missed it, some of Putin's actual words... And why this is actually a sort of 'religious war' for the U.S. and its proxies:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/putin-demands-equity/#comment-5196095

    Replies: @Anon7

  132. @Anon
    A few months ago, Rod Dreher wrote a post about a Catholic man he met last summer in Slovenia. The man and his wife were having all kinds of problems because their twelve-year-old had become obsessed with the idea that she was transgender. How did she get this idea? Was it from the ultraleft Slovenians who had taken over the local school system? No. She had been on her smartphone and got linked up with some older teenagers from Oregon in the USA. They gaslit her into thinking that she was trans and messed up her life.

    It's surreal that one of the perennial problems of political philosophy, how the citizens of a state should be educated, has been made in some sense obsolete in the past decade. It doesn't matter anymore what quaint ideas the political and intellectual leaders of Slovenia have: their youth will be educated by Netflix, Reddit, and Pornhub despite their best intentions.

    I don't pretend to have any deep knowledge of the cultural situation in the Ukraine. But maybe the Russians, especially the older ones, underestimated how much the Ukrainians, especially the younger ones, have been mentally colonized by the Global American Empire.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @AndrewR

    Plus I imagine at least some Ukrainians blame Russia for the Holodomor.

  133. @Hypnotoad666
    @J.Ross

    I finally got around to reading (most of) Putin's speech. Having gone this far I think his only winning strategy is to go all the way and reincorporate Ukraine into Russia. Russia is dying out demographically and with one stroke can add 44 million to their current 144 million population. Once it's a fait accompli, Europe and America will have to get used to it. As far as Ukraine's membership in NATO and the EU, they can be part of those organizations when Russia joins at some point in the indefinite future.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    NATO exists solely as an anti-Russian alliance.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @AndrewR


    NATO exists solely as an anti-Russian alliance.
     
    Technically, no. It's a mutual defense pact aimed at any country that would attack any NATO member. Obviously, it was the Soviet Union (not Russia, per se) that was the anticipated attacker from 1949-1991.

    There is no theoretical reason Russia could not join NATO. The main result, however, would be that the US and Europe would become obligated to defend Russia's border with the Chinese.

    I'm not saying it's gonna happen but it's possible. The ultimate "NATO expansion."

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

  134. @Anonymous
    Just where are Francis Fukuyama and Steve Pinker when you need them?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Fukuyama needs to commit seppuku

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AndrewR


    Fukuyama needs to commit seppuku
     
    The end of historian.
  135. Old Russkie MREs apparently.

  136. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    It is sadly true that the four nations do not play as one. I grew up in Northern Ireland in the 90s and the lament of ky parent’s generation was that George Best would never have his moment in the World Cup Sun, since Northern Ireland would never amount to anything as a squad.

    For my generation, it was (Sir) Ryan Giggs, one of the best footballers (and people!) of his generation, would not get their WC fame because while he was brilliant Wales was a non-starter.

    We often wondered how well a GB team would do as opposed to England alone, and it’s almost a slam dunk given they’d have been much better and often MUCH much better.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    “Ryan Giggs, one of the best footballers (and people!) of his generation”

    Ryan Giggs slept with his brother’s wife. If that’s one of the best people, who do you think are the worst?

    A pity for him to miss the big tournaments I admit, but at least the great Gareth Bale, a far better person AFAIK, got to play and star in Euro 2016. What a player.

    • Agree: Charon
  137. @Intelligent Dasein
    Not everybody's sense of nationality is circumscribed by sportsball teams. If you go slightly farther up in the order of importance---say, to industrial and energy infrastructure---it's clear that Ukraine is and always has been an intimate part of Russia.

    "Ukrainian independence" is kind of like Oklahoma seceding from the union but still wanting manage US oil markets from its Cushing facility.

    Ukraine joining NATO would be like California becoming a province of China (with all that entails about national security) but still collecting US federal funds and voting in US elections.

    Do you see now why Putin has had enough?

    Replies: @Lex, @Art Deco

    “Ukrainian independence” is kind of like Oklahoma seceding from the union but still wanting manage US oil markets from its Cushing facility.

    All 15 union republics departed the Soviet Union. Bar Russia, the Ukraine was the largest constituent unit and has a population of 44 million. It is not landlocked and has a border with three countries which were never part of the Soviet Union. Fuel and mineral exports account for about 4% of their nominal domestic product.

  138. @PhysicistDave
    @Ebony Obelisk

    Ebony Obelisk wrote:


    Long live the Snake Island boys and the Ghost of Kiev!
     
    Some folks may not have heard yet that the thirteen famous martyrs of Snake Island who died after telling the Russian attackers to "Go f*** yourselves!" are actually still alive, according to the Ukrainian navy, taken captive by the Russians.

    But it sure made a good story!

    The first casualty in war...

    In current news, has anyone noticed that the forty-mile long Russian convoy that Western media keep talking about that is just north of Kiev and that never seems to get much closer is just a bunch of sitting ducks for Ukrainian attackers?

    That is, if there actually is any significant Ukrainian military presence left in the area of Kiev?

    Anybody else wondering if the whole story of the ferocious Ukrainian resistance is just another Snake Island story?

    Is this what they mean by "controlling the narrative"?

    Replies: @tyrone, @Paperback Writer, @YetAnotherAnon, @Hypnotoad666, @Paul Mendez

    BREAKING NEWS!

    There is no war in the Ukraine!

    It’s all been an elaborate PR stunt promoting the newest release of Call of Duty: Warzone

  139. @Joe Walker
    @Wilkey

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @martin_2, @Art Deco

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    Scotland’s value-added per capita is about the UK mean. Wales is the least affluent region, about 30% below the mean. Greater London and the urbanized Home Counties are affluent, about 1/3 above the mean. The rest of the south is a tad above average.

    It doesn’t ‘exist largely for the benefit of the south’. The parts were fully assembled by 1603 and the sectoral mix of each region has reconstituted itself many times between then and now.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Art Deco

    Wales is the least affluent region, about 30% below the mean.

    I don't see how. Pakistanis are by far the poorest (and most criminal) people in Britain, and I didn't think Wales had many.

  140. A Russian conductor has been sacked from a Munich orchestra for failing to condemn his country.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60569913

    “The Munich Philharmonic has parted ways with its chief conductor Valery Gergiev over his ties to Vladimir Putin.

    A close friend and supporter of Putin, the musician has faced increasing pressure to speak out against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine over the last week.

    Munich mayor Dieter Reiter issued an ultimatum, saying Gergiev would be dismissed if he failed to condemn Putin’s actions by Monday.

    After the deadline passed, Reiter terminated the musician’s contract.

    “With immediate effect, there will be no further concerts by the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra under his direction,” said the mayor in a statement.

    Gergiev’s failure to denounce the invasion of Ukraine has left his career in tatters.

    Over the weekend, the conductor was dropped by his management, dismissed from major festivals and had several upcoming concerts cancelled. On Monday, the Edinburgh International Festival – of which he was honorary president – asked for, and accepted, his resignation.”

    I remember the days when forced declarations of loyalty (or in this case disloyalty) were a Bad Thing, but that was when Senator McCarthy was asking for them.

    Fancy sacking a man for not bad-mouthing his own country to foreigners. And fair play to him for keeping his honour at the expense of his job.

    • Agree: AndrewR, Voltarde
    • Replies: @Charon
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Munich mayor Dieter Reiter issued an ultimatum, saying Gergiev would be dismissed if he failed to condemn Putin’s actions by Monday.
     
    Yes, compelled speech is now the thing, as we see on u.s. college campuses where lists are posted of students who failed to sign the lates woke manifestos (usually condemning "white people" for imaginary offenses).

    Not sure Gergiev's career is "in tatters" though, as he remains one of the greatest conductors of our age. Maybe he'll have the sense to return home.

  141. @Dumbo
    Not everyone cares as much about spectator sports as Steve does... And neither Ukraine nor Russia are that good at soccer.

    It's really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia. A particular region, perhaps, but not necessarily as a separate identity, much less a separate country. It was part of the Russian Empire, part of the Soviet Union, and even now, they speak basically the same language (Ukrainian is basically just a dialect, and in any case half of the country speaks Russian), have the same religion, and are pretty much the same people.

    Perhaps, politically and economically, there are reasons for the Ukraine to be now separate and closer to Europe, but that's all. Convenience, not identity.

    Scotland is the opposite, they have a more marked identity, but probably benefit more from being part of the UK.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Art Deco, @Frau Katze

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia.

    By whom? Politicians from the Ukraine (representing an area approximating the current Ukrainian Republic) declared their territory autonomous within Russia under the provisional government in 1917, then seceded after the October Revolution. The Ukrainian Republic was forcibly subjugated by the Red Army during the period running from 1917 to 1920.

    Note, there is no political party of any consequence in the Ukraine which advocates merger with Russia and the idea of merger has been favored by < 5% of the public in surveys taken. It's the stated position of the President of Russia that the population has been 'captured' by 'neo-Nazis'.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
  142. @Thulean Friend
    Even among younger military recruits, there remains a feeling of brotherhood from Russia's side. It doesn't appear most were seriously psychologically prepared for a real invasion.

    https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1498381981431783430

    The question is what happens to this if the war drags on and becomes bloodier.

    Replies: @aNewBanner

    A long drawn out war is a worst case scenario. It means the most Russian and Ukrainian causalities. It will lead to vast devastation across Ukraine. The Russians will impose far harsher consequences on the Ukrainian people. It will demoralize Russia and threaten the stability of Putin’s regime. Sanctions will cripple the Russian economy. Russian forces will, in all likelihood, resort to indiscriminate attacks against military forces that endanger civilians. These attacks will inflame Western politicians, who will impose harsher sanctions and penalties against Russia (though their quiver is getting light). It provides cover for cyber shenanigans against Russian targets. It might lead to an “existential crisis” for the Russian regime, meaning one where it considers a nuclear exchange to be justified.

    Joe Biden recently assured the American people that there is no chance of a nuclear war. Putin, his associates, and his media have stated that a nuclear exchange is a real possibility. Perhaps it’s a bluff. Perhaps not.

    I hope and pray for peace as quickly as possible.

  143. @Altai

    But in the UK, in contrast, most everybody seemed to agree that of course Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are separate nations: just look at the World Cup!
     
    The way to tell is that the English think of the Scots and Welsh as different, that's why they got their own teams in the first place. As do the Welsh and the Scots. (Or, more precisely, look at the stuff written in the English newspapers, they didn't sound like people lamenting their brothers leaving, they sounded like people complaining the Scots whom they held in contempt as a separate group were getting uppity, like Putin on Ukraine) While separate national football and rugby teams do make a difference in national consciousness, to say that's where it begins and ends makes you sound like Wesley Clark getting annoyed at all those countries in Europe existing essentially. If it makes sense to Britons that Scots, Welsh and English exist why does anyone else have a better right to say they don't?

    To say Ukraine and Russia don't really exist and only do since 1991 because of UEFA and FIFA because they have more common origin than they do with other countries is absurd. They do exist, they have existed for a long time and both groups recognise themselves existing. Just like Scots and the English. The essence of any project of self-determination is recognition and that only really happens when people agree that a nationality has biological, cultural and historical existence.

    And to say it's wrong that only the Scots got a vote is also wrong. If the object is national self-determination of a recognised national body, only their votes have ever counted, otherwise their self-determination won't happen. There has to be some 'there' there for such to happen. (Though, from his own perspective it was amazing that Cameron almost lost Scotland and lost the Brexit referendum)

    Ultimately Britain is divided into 3 because of the Saxon invasions, the Welsh were the people who continued to speak the indigenous language (Welsh is just a Saxon word for 'foreigner') and Scotland remained separate due to geography (This can even be seen in the wildlife like the range of Hooded Crows) and having far less Saxon cultural and ethnic influence remaining independent from England and largely speaking a dialect of Irish with their original Brittonic language having been lost long before. So you had 3 entities, once two, then three due to the Saxon invasions, separated by language. If those aren't countries what are? And, importantly, all 3 nations recognise each other. Ireland originally had one team to represent it but soon after partition a separate team was made for the Republic. This didn't happen in rugby because it was chiefly a game of the Anglo-Irish elite. (This has shifted over time but even today you see more Anglo names on the Irish team and more Irish names on the Australian team)

    One thing that is interesting is the lack of motivation among the young Russian soldiers to fight or to challenge civilians. (This may also be low Several videos of people coming up and harassing or even blocking tank columns and the Russian soldiers just stare at them. (Though granted, the people videoing the Russian soldiers who don't just stare might not have the footage) My father once observed that in 1968 the Soviets just sent in a tank column to Prague to sort things out and the soldiers killed quite a few civilians when told. Then, at some point, the idea of the soldiers doing that seemed absurd.

    Perhaps a cultural shift did occur that Putin didn't grasp but it was among his own soldiers. Not that a high civilian death count is germane to Russian's objective, it's narrative is simple, we don't hate Ukrainians we hate their puppet government. A low intensity war is one way to get their ends by demonstrating they are willing to go to war without doing anything that might leave too much hatred behind that might make living with Ukraine or West hard afterward. Thus creating their own 'enforcement mechanism' for Ukrainian neutrality rather than depending on the Ukrainian government to enforce it since they now know NATO isn't coming to help and NATO knows confrontation on Ukraine will mean war that if they don't interference will reduce their credibility or if they do interfere in means a shooting match with a nuclear power over nothing of value to them.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Bill Jones

    One thing that is interesting is the lack of motivation among the young Russian soldiers to fight or to challenge civilians.

    Russians and Ukrainians are basically the same people. Many have family in the opposite country. It would be like a war between US and Canada. Or Maryland and Virginia. Hard to murder people just like you.

    But if Putin brings in Chechens, watch out!

  144. @Art Deco
    @Joe Walker

    The UK is a union that exists largely for the benefit of the south of England. Scotland, Wales, the north of England and the north of Ireland are all much poorer regions. The EU has been much better at helping the poorer regions of Europe to develop economically.

    Scotland's value-added per capita is about the UK mean. Wales is the least affluent region, about 30% below the mean. Greater London and the urbanized Home Counties are affluent, about 1/3 above the mean. The rest of the south is a tad above average.

    It doesn't 'exist largely for the benefit of the south'. The parts were fully assembled by 1603 and the sectoral mix of each region has reconstituted itself many times between then and now.

    Replies: @prosa123

    Wales is the least affluent region, about 30% below the mean.

    I don’t see how. Pakistanis are by far the poorest (and most criminal) people in Britain, and I didn’t think Wales had many.

  145. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Dumbo

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia.

    Only if you ignore the historic fact that Ukraine was Polish land stolen by the Muscovites in the 17th century. Polish was the language of culture and education in Kiev until the early 19th century. And of course much of modern Ukraine was Polish right up until 1939. Russians like to obscure the fact that "Russia" as we know it today is not an ancient country. Russia mostly consists of the lands the Muscovites conquered after the Golden Horde fell apart. Russia in its modern political sense is barely older than Massachusetts, and much younger than Mexico.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @J.Ross, @ScarletNumber

    Are you arguing that they spoke Polish in Kievan Rus? So it was Russian land that temporarily became Polish. Just like how it was Russian land that temporarily became independent.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    @J.Ross

    Are you arguing that they spoke Polish in Kievan Rus?

    They didn't speak Polish, Russian or Ukrainian in Kievan Rus. They probably spoke a Slavic dialect that is ancestral to modern Ukrainian, Russian and Belarussian, but is probably closest to modern Ukrainian. But all the written documents from that era are in Greek or Old Church Slavonic - neither of which are direct ancestors of Russian or Ukrainian. The lack of conclusive evidence is why arguments get so heated.

    Kievan Rus was basically flattened by the Mongols anyway. The city we know today is in many ways the creation of the Polish/Lithuanian elite. Just as Paris is a Frank city, not really a descendant of the old Roman Lutetia in the same location. But also in many ways Kiev is a creation of the Russian Empire - this is true. Putin would have a better claim saying Kiev is the city of Bulgakov and Gogol - it belongs to Russia. "Kievan Rus" nonsense is basically fairy tales.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  146. @Altai

    But in the UK, in contrast, most everybody seemed to agree that of course Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland are separate nations: just look at the World Cup!
     
    The way to tell is that the English think of the Scots and Welsh as different, that's why they got their own teams in the first place. As do the Welsh and the Scots. (Or, more precisely, look at the stuff written in the English newspapers, they didn't sound like people lamenting their brothers leaving, they sounded like people complaining the Scots whom they held in contempt as a separate group were getting uppity, like Putin on Ukraine) While separate national football and rugby teams do make a difference in national consciousness, to say that's where it begins and ends makes you sound like Wesley Clark getting annoyed at all those countries in Europe existing essentially. If it makes sense to Britons that Scots, Welsh and English exist why does anyone else have a better right to say they don't?

    To say Ukraine and Russia don't really exist and only do since 1991 because of UEFA and FIFA because they have more common origin than they do with other countries is absurd. They do exist, they have existed for a long time and both groups recognise themselves existing. Just like Scots and the English. The essence of any project of self-determination is recognition and that only really happens when people agree that a nationality has biological, cultural and historical existence.

    And to say it's wrong that only the Scots got a vote is also wrong. If the object is national self-determination of a recognised national body, only their votes have ever counted, otherwise their self-determination won't happen. There has to be some 'there' there for such to happen. (Though, from his own perspective it was amazing that Cameron almost lost Scotland and lost the Brexit referendum)

    Ultimately Britain is divided into 3 because of the Saxon invasions, the Welsh were the people who continued to speak the indigenous language (Welsh is just a Saxon word for 'foreigner') and Scotland remained separate due to geography (This can even be seen in the wildlife like the range of Hooded Crows) and having far less Saxon cultural and ethnic influence remaining independent from England and largely speaking a dialect of Irish with their original Brittonic language having been lost long before. So you had 3 entities, once two, then three due to the Saxon invasions, separated by language. If those aren't countries what are? And, importantly, all 3 nations recognise each other. Ireland originally had one team to represent it but soon after partition a separate team was made for the Republic. This didn't happen in rugby because it was chiefly a game of the Anglo-Irish elite. (This has shifted over time but even today you see more Anglo names on the Irish team and more Irish names on the Australian team)

    One thing that is interesting is the lack of motivation among the young Russian soldiers to fight or to challenge civilians. (This may also be low Several videos of people coming up and harassing or even blocking tank columns and the Russian soldiers just stare at them. (Though granted, the people videoing the Russian soldiers who don't just stare might not have the footage) My father once observed that in 1968 the Soviets just sent in a tank column to Prague to sort things out and the soldiers killed quite a few civilians when told. Then, at some point, the idea of the soldiers doing that seemed absurd.

    Perhaps a cultural shift did occur that Putin didn't grasp but it was among his own soldiers. Not that a high civilian death count is germane to Russian's objective, it's narrative is simple, we don't hate Ukrainians we hate their puppet government. A low intensity war is one way to get their ends by demonstrating they are willing to go to war without doing anything that might leave too much hatred behind that might make living with Ukraine or West hard afterward. Thus creating their own 'enforcement mechanism' for Ukrainian neutrality rather than depending on the Ukrainian government to enforce it since they now know NATO isn't coming to help and NATO knows confrontation on Ukraine will mean war that if they don't interference will reduce their credibility or if they do interfere in means a shooting match with a nuclear power over nothing of value to them.

    Replies: @Paul Mendez, @Bill Jones

    The Yuk is quite simple.
    The Natives are English, Welsh, Scots etc. Anybody who recons he’s British is some sort of Paki who was let in by Blair.

    • LOL: James of Africa
  147. Not completely OT:

    I watched a very good Estonian movie on Amazon Prime, called 1944. It starts off following a platoon of Estonian Waffen-SS fighting to defend their country against the advancing Red Army. Midway through, however, the movie switches to the viewpoint of the Red Army Estonians fighting to liberate their country.

    Complicated part of the world.

    • Thanks: James of Africa
  148. Go to page 30:
    https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

    • Replies: @Anon
    @J.Ross

    After looking at the data, if you remove headache, fever, pain at the site of injection, chills, and fatigue, the amount of adverse reactions to the vaccine drops dramatically.

  149. @Paperback Writer
    @Wilkey


    And I don’t think it’s Russian-Ukrainian unity that seems natural to Putin. It’s Russian imperialism that is natural to him.
     
    I think it's not having nukes right on his doorstep that seems natural to him, and not being provoked endlessly by a hostile military alliance that seems natural to him.

    Replies: @Professional Slav

    By this logic are the Baltics next? And then maybe Finland and Sweden? Surely they have a few random skinheads with unsavory flags there that need denazifying.

  150. I live far away so I thought they can install a pro Russian government. Chechens seem to be enthusiastic to get a chance a fight alongside people they were at war with recently. It’s damn racist to expect people of this caliber to become democratic. So they should probably keep their teams. But vote for going into the Russian Federation. Ukrainian is new Tibetian.

  151. Anon[305] • Disclaimer says:

    Ever since February 2nd, the Dow has dropped 2,300 points. I’m sure all the breathless hysteria generated on TV by liberal outlets about Ukraine reflects the true feelings of liberals. But they don’t seem to understand that their month-long hysteria and panic in the media has undermined confidence in the stock market and driven the Dow down relentlessly.

    The middle class will bolt the Democrats rather than see their finances relentlessly destroyed by a bunch of maladjusted neurotics. The middle class wants normal life back again and a healthy climbing stock market. Since Spring is here and Covid is in retreat, this should be a time when we return to normal. Instead, boneheaded US foreign policy combined with a conniving media trying to snag eyeballs has created a financial mess for the USA.

    Right now, liberals don’t realize they’re a bunch of suicide bombers detonating their vests among their supporters rather than among their enemies. Democrats are going to be dangling from lampposts pretty soon.

  152. It has to be said this is all a triumph for US foreign policy. Americans still have cheap gas for homes and industry, thanks to fracking. The sanctions on Russia, as the Guardian points out, will have little effect on the US economy.

    Meanwhile Europeans will freeze and fight (and blame) each other, while industry pays through the nose for energy and the sanctions have major effects.

    They’ve completely wrecked the chances of Russo-German co-operation and friendship, which was what they feared most – German manufacturing powered by cheap Russian gas. Masterly really. As Michael Hudson says, it’s the third defeat of Germany by the US in a century.

    https://www.unz.com/mhudson/america-defeats-germany-for-the-third-time-in-a-century/

    Boris Johnson wants to welcome 200,000 Ukrainian refugees, because the UK has such a surplus of housing 😉

    But the US seem to have forgotten about China. They haven’t gone away, you know.

    ProfSlav – “By this logic are the Baltics next?” – not really, because they are already in NATO, along with vital democratic strongholds like North Macedonia.

    • Replies: @aNewBanner
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It really depends on the weaponry that’s put into place. The distance from Tallinn (Capitol of Estonia) to Moscow is not that much more than the distance from Kharkiv (on the eastern border of Ukraine) to Moscow. A hypersonic missile with a speed of 5X the speed of sound can reach Moscow from either location in less than 6 minutes. Putin would barely be able to take a crap without worrying about a missile strike.

    These weapon systems imply that the decision to respond needs to be increasingly automated, immediate, and ultimate. (Think of the pressure on the software developers!) There will increasingly be fewer and fewer humans in the loop, eventually just Putin and slow Joe.

    Big caveat: There have been few successful US hypersonic weapons tests. Russia and China both have some designs that work. That said, these weapons are not quite ready for prime time from available public data. Every year they get better. The maximum speed will increase over time, they will become more robust, they will become more accurate, and maybe someone will even do something like couple them with stealth technology. The risk of miscalculation gets larger every year. We need to stabilize relations, control these weapons, and work towards a stable balance of power. (And yet we’re doing the opposite.)

  153. @anonymous
    Meanwhile, the fight for true and meaningful freedom is taking place right here at home …

    ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — The Minnesota House of Representatives passed legislation with bipartisan support Monday that would make it illegal to discriminate against someone because of their hairstyle.

    The “CROWN” Act, an acronym meaning “Creating a Respectful and Open World for Natural hair,” would add hairstyle and texture to a provision in the Minnesota Human Rights Act that prohibits racial discrimination in housing, employment and education, among other areas.

    Rep. Esther Agbaje, of Minneapolis, the bill’s author, said the legislation adds explicit language on hair-based discrimination to make it easier for judges that have discrimination cases come before them and to simplify the complaint process.

    The bill passed 104-25.

    “At the heart of this bill is the ability to allow more people to show up as their authentic selves in school or in the workplace without fear of repercussions because of their hair,” Agbaje said on the House floor before the vote Monday afternoon.

    Agbaje cited an incident when an employer banned hairstyles worn by Black employees like afros, braids and dreadlocks, and proceeded to fire employees who refused to cut their hair once the policy was put in place. The bill, she said, would prevent such incidents while removing added stress felt by Black employees and students to conform in the workplace by using chemicals to straighten their hair.
     
    https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/be212a713cb444389b864e5e036e34d3/1000.jpeg

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    ThreeFiveSeven, the famous Minnesota…”Don’t be touchin’ our hairs” bill. How about them three inch finger nails, are those protected too?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    One of the few things California has done right in recent years is get rid of the human toll-takers on the GGB. I actually once came up with a bloody finger after handing bills to one of the black ladies with those long nails.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  154. @J.Ross
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Are you arguing that they spoke Polish in Kievan Rus? So it was Russian land that temporarily became Polish. Just like how it was Russian land that temporarily became independent.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Are you arguing that they spoke Polish in Kievan Rus?

    They didn’t speak Polish, Russian or Ukrainian in Kievan Rus. They probably spoke a Slavic dialect that is ancestral to modern Ukrainian, Russian and Belarussian, but is probably closest to modern Ukrainian. But all the written documents from that era are in Greek or Old Church Slavonic – neither of which are direct ancestors of Russian or Ukrainian. The lack of conclusive evidence is why arguments get so heated.

    Kievan Rus was basically flattened by the Mongols anyway. The city we know today is in many ways the creation of the Polish/Lithuanian elite. Just as Paris is a Frank city, not really a descendant of the old Roman Lutetia in the same location. But also in many ways Kiev is a creation of the Russian Empire – this is true. Putin would have a better claim saying Kiev is the city of Bulgakov and Gogol – it belongs to Russia. “Kievan Rus” nonsense is basically fairy tales.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Peter Akuleyev

    What's a Ruthenian?

    What's a "Little Russian"?

  155. @Stan Adams
    I have a thirtysomething friend - a Southerner with no ancestral connection to Eastern Europe - who's talking about volunteering for the Ukrainian army. He seems pretty serious about it, but I can't tell if it's a real thing or just a passing fancy. He's been a World War I and II history buff since childhood and he's been totally obsessed with this war since it started.

    Honestly, he's scaring me a little. He told me he's always fantasized about dying on a European battlefield.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @James of Africa, @Joe S.Walker

    Stan, your friend could simply fly over and walk off the cliffs at Omaha Beach and fall to his death. Does that fulfill his fantasy?

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Buffalo Joe

    It would be more practical, to be sure.

    We talked a little more about it. He's somewhat burned out on life at the moment and he's looking for some excitement. He admitted that he's been having "delusions of grandeur" after watching videos like these:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKrReH_UQFw

    That video does nothing for me. It doesn't make me one iota more inclined to care one whit about the Ukrainian cause. Frankly, it seems rather silly. But my friend isn't like me. He's a little naïve - not stupid, just somewhat less cynical than he should be. He finds the pitch exciting. Maybe he's just so hungry for something to live for that he's latching onto a death wish.

    Me, I'm a borderline nihilist these days. I see so much human potential being pissed away for ... what? LGBTQIA2S+ nonsense, BLM madness, Putler hysteria - what does it add up to? What is the point of any of it? What do the Soros/Bezos/Gates types get out of promoting this crap? More power and more money, presumably, but surely at some level they must realize how it could backfire on them. Maybe Steve is right and there is no Inner Party, just a bunch of monkeys banging away at keyboards. But instead of Shakespeare we're getting Newspeak treatises on the 1619 Project and the collected works of Chuck Tingle.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  156. OT Pennsylvania 130% Democrat Forever
    Fraud By Mail Upheld by State Supreme Court
    ’22 Red Wave Cancelled
    But by all means, let’s hear some more drooling Republican morons make speeches about starting a war with a nuclear power in order to protect homosexuality in Odessa.
    https://wlvr.org/2022/03/pa-justices-keep-mail-in-voting-law-in-place-at-least-for-time-being/

  157. this ‘football team’ theory of nation creation bodes ill for England and France in particular, considering the makeup of said teams.

  158. @Anon7
    Enough of this macho crap about fighting between Russia and the Ukraine.

    Now, learn about the real "war within the war":



    "A war within a war": Transgender woman says transphobia and discriminatory laws keeping her hostage in Kyiv during Russian invasion

    In 2021, the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association said that the country's adoption of a new trans health care protocol has been stalled, and that the LGBT community in Ukraine faced attacks and intimidation from far-right groups.
     

    That's correct - far-right groups. You know who you are.

    CBS News, making sure the REAL story gets told.

    Idiots.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Charon

  159. @Peter Akuleyev
    @J.Ross

    Are you arguing that they spoke Polish in Kievan Rus?

    They didn't speak Polish, Russian or Ukrainian in Kievan Rus. They probably spoke a Slavic dialect that is ancestral to modern Ukrainian, Russian and Belarussian, but is probably closest to modern Ukrainian. But all the written documents from that era are in Greek or Old Church Slavonic - neither of which are direct ancestors of Russian or Ukrainian. The lack of conclusive evidence is why arguments get so heated.

    Kievan Rus was basically flattened by the Mongols anyway. The city we know today is in many ways the creation of the Polish/Lithuanian elite. Just as Paris is a Frank city, not really a descendant of the old Roman Lutetia in the same location. But also in many ways Kiev is a creation of the Russian Empire - this is true. Putin would have a better claim saying Kiev is the city of Bulgakov and Gogol - it belongs to Russia. "Kievan Rus" nonsense is basically fairy tales.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    What’s a Ruthenian?

    What’s a “Little Russian”?

  160. @Wokechoke
    @Joe S. Walker

    Was that vagina smashable?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Quite easy on the eye, but she’s an exec member of a Soros-funded “Anti-corruption centre”.

    I’m sure Boris would hit it.

    Buffalo Joe – he’d have to fall off Pointe du Hoc where the Rangers distinguished themselves. The cliffs slope down at Omaha. Still a couple of concrete landing ships stuck in the sand. The US cemetery there is a sobering sight.

  161. @AndrewR
    @Hypnotoad666

    NATO exists solely as an anti-Russian alliance.

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    NATO exists solely as an anti-Russian alliance.

    Technically, no. It’s a mutual defense pact aimed at any country that would attack any NATO member. Obviously, it was the Soviet Union (not Russia, per se) that was the anticipated attacker from 1949-1991.

    There is no theoretical reason Russia could not join NATO. The main result, however, would be that the US and Europe would become obligated to defend Russia’s border with the Chinese.

    I’m not saying it’s gonna happen but it’s possible. The ultimate “NATO expansion.”

    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Hypnotoad666

    There is no theoretical reason Russia could not join NATO.

    If we can't dissolve NATO, then we should invite every country to join. North and South Korea, India and Pakistan, Eritrea and Ethiopia are just some of the invitees whose admittance should be put on the fast track.

  162. @Stan Adams
    I have a thirtysomething friend - a Southerner with no ancestral connection to Eastern Europe - who's talking about volunteering for the Ukrainian army. He seems pretty serious about it, but I can't tell if it's a real thing or just a passing fancy. He's been a World War I and II history buff since childhood and he's been totally obsessed with this war since it started.

    Honestly, he's scaring me a little. He told me he's always fantasized about dying on a European battlefield.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @James of Africa, @Joe S.Walker

    Valhalla! Maybe it would be easier to suicide attack a narco cartel hit squad in Mexico. Budget Valhalla! But yea, Europe would rock, unless there’s negotiations, so aw fuck, guard duty, no bro!

  163. @Mike Tre
    Shouldn't we be discussing the spread of the coronavisionid virus among the combatants? Perhaps if the Ukraine mandated vaccination cards for all invading armies, somehow managed to put doses of vaccinations on the tips of the bullets, and maintained a minimum 6 foot kill radius distancing for all explosive ordinance deployed, the Ukrainians could declare a two front victory over the 2 biggest threats to humanity ever.

    I mean don't these stupid countries at war know there's a pandemic going on??? Hospitals beds in the region are already double capacitated and groaning.

    And how are we going to classify casualties? Is having one's head split open by a 12mm round death by covid, or death with covid? Or getting blown in half by a fragmentation grenade? Covid, yes?

    Replies: @Anonymous, @HammerJack, @tyrone, @Frau Katze

    It turns out that Putin is terrified of catching Covid:

    “Already a distant figure before the pandemic, the lengths the former KGB officer takes to avoid coronavirus have limited his human contact. Western visitors are forced to sit around a comically huge table. Allies toast champagne from opposite ends of a massive carpet. Even Putin’s closest advisers are rarely allowed to come within 10 feet without weeks of quarantine and testing.”

    https://www.ft.com/content/c039db89-7201-4875-b31f-b41a511496f1?segmentId=fa748919-9f52-971c-b817-21e245a0abbb

  164. @Paperback Writer
    @Coemgen

    I really would not have believed that had you not provided the link. Thank you.

    At this point, IDGAF. I have enough on my plate to care about Scotland. Time was I'd have been a nice little Unz commenter and wasted energy on bemoaning this but not now. Perhaps God has a plan after all.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Buzz Mohawk

    Time was I’d have been a nice little Unz commenter and wasted energy on bemoaning this but not now.

    Same here.

    At this time, Steve’s blog seems to have abandoned much of what it stood for. However, I would suggest reading some of the UR headline selections that are counter to the BS we are reading from Steve and some of his commenters.

    For example, from David Stockman:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-land-where-history-died-part-1/

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I saw that on Antiwar.com.

    Well, war clarifies a lot.

    Ukraine seems to be Afghanistan II - a sinkhole of NGOs, trans, feminism, etc., but it's better because of the blondes!!

    Now, joking aside, this is serious: US companies are jumping on the hate-Russki bandwagon. Russia is the Derek Chauvin of countries, and Ukraine is the BLM, geddit?

    No telling where could end - Steve Cortes has some thoughts, read them:

    https://stevecortes.substack.com/p/the-risks-of-heeding-americas-warmongers?s=r

  165. @Bill in Glendale
    Have the Russians been using a lot of ground units filled with ethnic minorities to avoid poor performance or rebellion from ethnic Russians who would resist fighting in the Ukraine?

    Replies: @Frau Katze

    I’ve read several sources saying he’s making use of Muslims from the North Caucasus. This was a day or two ago.

  166. Hey, my WSJ subscription was finally worth something!

    If the U.S. exports millions of barrels a day from the Gulf Coast, why does it import Russia oil?
    The Jones Act, passed a century ago, has effectively limited the size of vessels that are allowed to transport goods between U.S. ports. That has left oil buyers on the West Coast and East Coast effectively unable to get supplies shipped out of the Gulf Coast.

    The Gulf Coast, where oil companies shipped out about 3 million barrels a day in December, is connected by pipelines to the Permian Basin of West Texas and New Mexico and Cushing, Okla., the nation’s oil storage hub.

    It isn’t profitable for companies to ship oil from that region to the U.S. East and West Coasts by such small ships, so refiners along those coasts, lacking pipeline connections from the Permian and Cushing, mostly import it from overseas.

    So the standard Satanic union of government regulation and corporate profit motive. I suspected as much.
    This, after paragraphs of hand-wringing Halakhic reasoning over how we don’t really import all that much from Russia, none of which mentions Biden killing our energy independence out of pure spite.

  167. @Dumbo
    Not everyone cares as much about spectator sports as Steve does... And neither Ukraine nor Russia are that good at soccer.

    It's really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia. A particular region, perhaps, but not necessarily as a separate identity, much less a separate country. It was part of the Russian Empire, part of the Soviet Union, and even now, they speak basically the same language (Ukrainian is basically just a dialect, and in any case half of the country speaks Russian), have the same religion, and are pretty much the same people.

    Perhaps, politically and economically, there are reasons for the Ukraine to be now separate and closer to Europe, but that's all. Convenience, not identity.

    Scotland is the opposite, they have a more marked identity, but probably benefit more from being part of the UK.

    Replies: @Peter Akuleyev, @Art Deco, @Frau Katze

    The language of Ukraine is definitely close to Russian. A friend from Belarus said Belarusian and Russian had about a 40% overlap. She said she could even understand Polish if they spoke slowly.

    Much closer than English and Scots Gaelic. Gaelic is Indo-European but not on the same branch as English,

    Ukraine is Orthodox Christian in the east but Catholic in the west.

  168. @Buffalo Joe
    @Stan Adams

    Stan, your friend could simply fly over and walk off the cliffs at Omaha Beach and fall to his death. Does that fulfill his fantasy?

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    It would be more practical, to be sure.

    We talked a little more about it. He’s somewhat burned out on life at the moment and he’s looking for some excitement. He admitted that he’s been having “delusions of grandeur” after watching videos like these:

    That video does nothing for me. It doesn’t make me one iota more inclined to care one whit about the Ukrainian cause. Frankly, it seems rather silly. But my friend isn’t like me. He’s a little naïve – not stupid, just somewhat less cynical than he should be. He finds the pitch exciting. Maybe he’s just so hungry for something to live for that he’s latching onto a death wish.

    Me, I’m a borderline nihilist these days. I see so much human potential being pissed away for … what? LGBTQIA2S+ nonsense, BLM madness, Putler hysteria – what does it add up to? What is the point of any of it? What do the Soros/Bezos/Gates types get out of promoting this crap? More power and more money, presumably, but surely at some level they must realize how it could backfire on them. Maybe Steve is right and there is no Inner Party, just a bunch of monkeys banging away at keyboards. But instead of Shakespeare we’re getting Newspeak treatises on the 1619 Project and the collected works of Chuck Tingle.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Stan Adams

    Stan, heroics are never planned, they just happen. Some run from, some run to. Everything is cool until your leg or arm are off or half your face is gone. Video games make herioics easy or just reset. You stay safe.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  169. Everything European ‘quirky’ you find in post-WWII or post Warsaw-pact is just there, preserved — to prevent everything else going ‘kaboom’.

    The EU have forever been on a forever lost cause for a EU-Team!
    Ryder? Solberg? Only there for sponsors. We hate one another. Especially hate the Scots. They truly are what they are.

  170. @Hypnotoad666
    @AndrewR


    NATO exists solely as an anti-Russian alliance.
     
    Technically, no. It's a mutual defense pact aimed at any country that would attack any NATO member. Obviously, it was the Soviet Union (not Russia, per se) that was the anticipated attacker from 1949-1991.

    There is no theoretical reason Russia could not join NATO. The main result, however, would be that the US and Europe would become obligated to defend Russia's border with the Chinese.

    I'm not saying it's gonna happen but it's possible. The ultimate "NATO expansion."

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education

    There is no theoretical reason Russia could not join NATO.

    If we can’t dissolve NATO, then we should invite every country to join. North and South Korea, India and Pakistan, Eritrea and Ethiopia are just some of the invitees whose admittance should be put on the fast track.

  171. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Paperback Writer


    Time was I’d have been a nice little Unz commenter and wasted energy on bemoaning this but not now.
     
    Same here.

    At this time, Steve's blog seems to have abandoned much of what it stood for. However, I would suggest reading some of the UR headline selections that are counter to the BS we are reading from Steve and some of his commenters.

    For example, from David Stockman:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-land-where-history-died-part-1/

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    I saw that on Antiwar.com.

    Well, war clarifies a lot.

    Ukraine seems to be Afghanistan II – a sinkhole of NGOs, trans, feminism, etc., but it’s better because of the blondes!!

    Now, joking aside, this is serious: US companies are jumping on the hate-Russki bandwagon. Russia is the Derek Chauvin of countries, and Ukraine is the BLM, geddit?

    No telling where could end – Steve Cortes has some thoughts, read them:

    https://stevecortes.substack.com/p/the-risks-of-heeding-americas-warmongers?s=r

  172. @J.Ross
    https://twitter.com/thedigitalbers1/status/1498696655004049409?s=21

    Go to page 30:
    https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

    Replies: @Anon

    After looking at the data, if you remove headache, fever, pain at the site of injection, chills, and fatigue, the amount of adverse reactions to the vaccine drops dramatically.

  173. @Stan Adams
    I have a thirtysomething friend - a Southerner with no ancestral connection to Eastern Europe - who's talking about volunteering for the Ukrainian army. He seems pretty serious about it, but I can't tell if it's a real thing or just a passing fancy. He's been a World War I and II history buff since childhood and he's been totally obsessed with this war since it started.

    Honestly, he's scaring me a little. He told me he's always fantasized about dying on a European battlefield.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @James of Africa, @Joe S.Walker

    So let him go to a WW1 memorial in France and shoot himself.

  174. @neutral
    @Jonathan Mason

    There was some bitterness about Barbados becoming independent in the British press, but even for them blaming Russia for it was too far fetched, so they went for the blaming China narrative instead.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker

    At one time we would have thought nothing of invading Barbados for Her Majesty.

  175. @Ralph L
    @Joe S. Walker

    Cameron started the process that got them out of the EU, though that wasn't his intent.

    Replies: @Joe S.Walker

    Exactly! His idea was that the referendum would be a win for Remain and would put down the idea of leaving Europe for a generation.

  176. Ukraine EU membership approved. Remember the prediction about the “EU army”? Now Germany is re-arming and Switzerland is abandoning neutrality. The EU army is not just going to be a military cooperation pact, a multinational organization, or (certainly not) a reboot of NATO. It will be the next step in the continuum which started with the Common Market. Remember when it was red scare lunacy to call the Common Market the thin end of the wedge? Imagine clamoring to fight tyranny and then finding yourself under tyranny.
    DON’T FALL FOR THE LATEST CRUSADE
    REJECT BAD SOLUTIONS

  177. @AndrewR
    @Puttheforkdown

    The US achieved "victory" in Iraq in a few weeks. At least that's what George Bush infamously announced on that aircraft carrier. Then a very bloody and protracted insurgency began, if you'll recall.

    I think Putin underestimated the will of the Ukrainian people and NATO to resist this war. This will either lead to regime change in Moscow, or nuclear war. Even a wholesale genocide of Ukrainians would almost certainly bring down the Russian regime. This is bad bad bad.

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy, @Wokechoke, @Whiskey

    No it won’t, and lets get real.

    Ukraine is flat flat flat. Top Gear did a series there years ago and it was so flat and huge they were bored out of their skulls driving through it. There is no natural defense, suitability for ambush, etc.

    Next, the population is mostly old. Older people don’t stage ambushes against young soldiers with what? Unlike the US the population in Ukraine is mostly disarmed. What few assault rifles they have handed out in the cities have only a few rounds. Most of Ukraine’s youth left years ago, or is leaving now to avoid conscription. The place has been run by one Oligarch or another looting the place since independence.

    Next, NATO is old, old, old. What few young White people they have are mostly 100% soy. They won’t be fighting in real life, just Nintendo. The vibrant young diverse migrants won’t be fighting either, unless its to blow up a concert or take White women. Africans and Muslims don’t fancy dying against Russia — they came to Europe for welfare and White women.

    Finally, what ordinary people think in Russia is likely anti-Putin among the urban upper class (the same Globally really) but they don’t matter there, or in Turkey, or India, or China. What matters in Russia is the military and intelligence services and they seem Putin men.

    Putin’s bet is his relative manpower advantage: he has more young fighting men more motivated on balance than Ukraine and NATO combined, along with his control of resources (the US imports now 7% of its oil from Russia, and Germany 60% of its natural gas) such as oil, gas, fertilizer, FOOD and an alliance with China will let him win out siege fashion against the West. He will also gain real military knowledge and likely operational reform out of this — better logistics, combined arms, training the next time. Which is certain to happen.

    Putin also only has to keep a few people happy: military and intelligence bosses. The West is filled with nations looking to cut side deals to keep their people fed, that includes Turkey which could OPEN the straights to Russia if enough fuel and food were coming their way. Now Democrats and Republicans like McConnell and Graham and Tester want to ban imports of Russian oil — while keeping “green” and investing in solar panels to get Gasoline up to \$10 a gallon.

    The West cannot function and will not function on anti-White hatred as the moral foundation of society under very hard times: not enough fuel, not enough food to eat, not enough power. Think Latinos are happy to sell their pickups and eat bugs for Ukraine? They are not here for Gringo’s moral crusade holmes. The US can easily crack up very quickly after thirty years of HATE WHITEY as the official religion and very hard times.

  178. @YetAnotherAnon
    It has to be said this is all a triumph for US foreign policy. Americans still have cheap gas for homes and industry, thanks to fracking. The sanctions on Russia, as the Guardian points out, will have little effect on the US economy.

    Meanwhile Europeans will freeze and fight (and blame) each other, while industry pays through the nose for energy and the sanctions have major effects.

    They've completely wrecked the chances of Russo-German co-operation and friendship, which was what they feared most - German manufacturing powered by cheap Russian gas. Masterly really. As Michael Hudson says, it's the third defeat of Germany by the US in a century.

    https://www.unz.com/mhudson/america-defeats-germany-for-the-third-time-in-a-century/

    Boris Johnson wants to welcome 200,000 Ukrainian refugees, because the UK has such a surplus of housing ;-)

    But the US seem to have forgotten about China. They haven't gone away, you know.


    ProfSlav - "By this logic are the Baltics next?" - not really, because they are already in NATO, along with vital democratic strongholds like North Macedonia.

    Replies: @aNewBanner

    It really depends on the weaponry that’s put into place. The distance from Tallinn (Capitol of Estonia) to Moscow is not that much more than the distance from Kharkiv (on the eastern border of Ukraine) to Moscow. A hypersonic missile with a speed of 5X the speed of sound can reach Moscow from either location in less than 6 minutes. Putin would barely be able to take a crap without worrying about a missile strike.

    These weapon systems imply that the decision to respond needs to be increasingly automated, immediate, and ultimate. (Think of the pressure on the software developers!) There will increasingly be fewer and fewer humans in the loop, eventually just Putin and slow Joe.

    Big caveat: There have been few successful US hypersonic weapons tests. Russia and China both have some designs that work. That said, these weapons are not quite ready for prime time from available public data. Every year they get better. The maximum speed will increase over time, they will become more robust, they will become more accurate, and maybe someone will even do something like couple them with stealth technology. The risk of miscalculation gets larger every year. We need to stabilize relations, control these weapons, and work towards a stable balance of power. (And yet we’re doing the opposite.)

  179. Yuval Harrari has issued a lurid and factless screed essentially declaring that Russia is doomed because long-term occupation with military force cannot exist. Anybody here remember where Yuval Harrari is from? That an Icelandic name? Maybe Italian? Ivory Cost? Inuit? Ipanema? International Space Station?

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @J.Ross

    Harrari is from International Land.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  180. @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Fukuyama needs to commit seppuku

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Fukuyama needs to commit seppuku

    The end of historian.

  181. @Oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-walla-walla-bing-bang
    It is sadly true that the four nations do not play as one. I grew up in Northern Ireland in the 90s and the lament of ky parent’s generation was that George Best would never have his moment in the World Cup Sun, since Northern Ireland would never amount to anything as a squad.

    For my generation, it was (Sir) Ryan Giggs, one of the best footballers (and people!) of his generation, would not get their WC fame because while he was brilliant Wales was a non-starter.

    We often wondered how well a GB team would do as opposed to England alone, and it’s almost a slam dunk given they’d have been much better and often MUCH much better.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    George Best would never have his moment in the World Cup Sun

    He was too slow to mature. NI’s only appearance at the World Cup finals was in his rookie year.

  182. @LondonBob
    If England got to vote on whether Scotland should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.

    I think the real message is how quickly even very stable multinational entities can unravel, Scottish independence was a fringe obsession not so long ago, then came Blair's constitutional vandalism of devolution and the film Braveheart.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Reg Cæsar

    If England got to vote on whether Scotland should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.

    If [New Yorkers] got to vote on whether [Puerto Rico] should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.

    • Replies: @Charon
    @Reg Cæsar

    Not after the onslaught of an MSM propaganda juggernaut. PR statehood would (and will) win in a walk.

    "What do the people want? They'll want whatever we tell them to want."

  183. @SafeNow
    @Reg Cæsar

    https://media.wired.com/photos/590963ab76f462691f012e85/master/pass/533175273.jpg

    Fascinating male-hair map, thanks. Is there a female version? Asking for a friend. I am probably projecting, but I imagine the group here to be mainly a clean-shaven lot. Certainly very few neckbeards. In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @The Anti-Gnostic, @Jmaie

    In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    Who da fuk gives a crap what other guys at the gym think about their calf hair?

  184. @Anon7
    Enough of this macho crap about fighting between Russia and the Ukraine.

    Now, learn about the real "war within the war":



    "A war within a war": Transgender woman says transphobia and discriminatory laws keeping her hostage in Kyiv during Russian invasion

    In 2021, the International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association said that the country's adoption of a new trans health care protocol has been stalled, and that the LGBT community in Ukraine faced attacks and intimidation from far-right groups.
     

    That's correct - far-right groups. You know who you are.

    CBS News, making sure the REAL story gets told.

    Idiots.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Charon

    In case you missed it, some of Putin’s actual words… And why this is actually a sort of ‘religious war’ for the U.S. and its proxies:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/putin-demands-equity/#comment-5196095

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Charon

    Thanks, this is a great comment.

    Here is the video of this speech. Be sure to turn on comments (and adjust to make them in English), unless you speak Russian.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45gV_0owJ20

  185. @Reg Cæsar
    @Peter Akuleyev


    Meanwhile Ukrainians are working as truck drivers in Poland...
     
    Not to mention Canada. Though they may be giving way to the Sikhs.


    Work as a truck driver in Canada for Ukrainians

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Jmaie

    Not to mention Canada. Though they may be giving way to the Sikhs.

    Not just Sikhs, lots of other folks from the sub-continent. As someone who interacts with truck drivers in Canada, the choice is…

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&ei=UTF-8&p=south+park+giant+douch+vs+terd+sandwich&type=E211US0G0#id=51&vid=64813e25984ca14a874585da55185635&action=click

  186. @YetAnotherAnon
    A Russian conductor has been sacked from a Munich orchestra for failing to condemn his country.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60569913

    "The Munich Philharmonic has parted ways with its chief conductor Valery Gergiev over his ties to Vladimir Putin.

    A close friend and supporter of Putin, the musician has faced increasing pressure to speak out against Russia's invasion of Ukraine over the last week.

    Munich mayor Dieter Reiter issued an ultimatum, saying Gergiev would be dismissed if he failed to condemn Putin's actions by Monday.

    After the deadline passed, Reiter terminated the musician's contract.

    "With immediate effect, there will be no further concerts by the Munich Philharmonic Orchestra under his direction," said the mayor in a statement.

    Gergiev's failure to denounce the invasion of Ukraine has left his career in tatters.

    Over the weekend, the conductor was dropped by his management, dismissed from major festivals and had several upcoming concerts cancelled. On Monday, the Edinburgh International Festival - of which he was honorary president - asked for, and accepted, his resignation."
     
    I remember the days when forced declarations of loyalty (or in this case disloyalty) were a Bad Thing, but that was when Senator McCarthy was asking for them.

    Fancy sacking a man for not bad-mouthing his own country to foreigners. And fair play to him for keeping his honour at the expense of his job.

    Replies: @Charon

    Munich mayor Dieter Reiter issued an ultimatum, saying Gergiev would be dismissed if he failed to condemn Putin’s actions by Monday.

    Yes, compelled speech is now the thing, as we see on u.s. college campuses where lists are posted of students who failed to sign the lates woke manifestos (usually condemning “white people” for imaginary offenses).

    Not sure Gergiev’s career is “in tatters” though, as he remains one of the greatest conductors of our age. Maybe he’ll have the sense to return home.

    • Agree: ScarletNumber
  187. @SafeNow


    young Russian troops have grown up with Russia and Ukraine having separate World Cup teams for their entire lives, so that seems natural to them.
     
    Don’t relegate the troops to being fans mainly of soccer. Russia and Ukraine are the two top chess-playing countries in the world. They have the most titled players per capita; about the same number per capita, in fact. And beyond individual play, there’s the Chess Olympiad of team play - - Russia and Ukraine usually in the top four. My guess is that a lot of troops play chess, and, follow elite chess. And, to them the rivalry is akin to a soccer “friendly.”

    Replies: @PassingBy, @David Davenport

    My guess is that a lot of troops play chess, and, follow elite chess.

    Yes, your guess. Do you have any evidence for that?

  188. @Reg Cæsar
    @LondonBob


    If England got to vote on whether Scotland should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.
     
    If [New Yorkers] got to vote on whether [Puerto Rico] should be independent it would almost certainly be approved.

    Replies: @Charon

    Not after the onslaught of an MSM propaganda juggernaut. PR statehood would (and will) win in a walk.

    “What do the people want? They’ll want whatever we tell them to want.”

  189. Wanting to be a bit more personal, here is my attempt to introduce myself.

  190. Russia invades Ukraine. Transgenders hit hardest:

  191. What are we to make of people in the United States who still root for the country of their ancestors in the World Cup, for instance, Mexico?

  192. Steve, can we get a State of the Union open thread?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Rob

    It will probably be so boring Biden will put himself to sleep in the middle of it.

  193. @Rob
    Steve, can we get a State of the Union open thread?

    Replies: @Anon

    It will probably be so boring Biden will put himself to sleep in the middle of it.

  194. OT:

    They sure don’t make women like they used to…
    Complaint: Green Bay woman dismembered man’s body, placed head in bucket

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @anon

    >decapitation
    >in the orbit of Minnesota
    Somali?
    >mugshot: white and totally trying to channel Tura Satana
    Nice.
    "I never try anything. I just do it."

  195. @Wokechoke
    @Red Pill Angel

    But Stalin was a Georgian and Lazar Kaganovich was a Ukrainian Jew.

    Replies: @Red Pill Angel

    Do you mean that Stalin, as a Georgian, wasn’t even really a Russian? Kaganovich may have been Ukrainian, but if he was a Jewish Commie, did the 1930’s Ukrainians consider him a compatriot? I cannot get my head around Ukrainians having apparently warm feelings for Ukrainian Jews and at the same time having a semi-official Nazi-ish party with members on the cabinet. Very confusing. None of this makes any sense at all. Btw, my original comment was intended for David Stockman’s article “The Land Where History Died,” and somehow ended up here, but hey, it’s all good.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Red Pill Angel

    There is a huge extent to which "Nazi," in the current Ukrainian milieu, means "anti-Russian" more than it means "anti-Jewish." This is not contradicted by the historical Russian and Soviet understanding of Nazis as causing suffering to all Eastern European peoples equally and not Jews in particular. The Azov types (and the regular Ukrainian military) had been attacking gentile Russian or Russian-speaking people, not Jews.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Red Pill Angel


    Stalin, as a Georgian
     
    You mean like Jimmy Carter?
  196. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @SafeNow

    In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    What?

    Replies: @David Davenport

    In fact, many with shaved calf hair, calf hair being a dorky look at the gym.

    What?

    The gay gym.

  197. Incredible Russkie helo-vs-Ukranian-MANPADS footage.

  198. @Red Pill Angel
    @Wokechoke

    Do you mean that Stalin, as a Georgian, wasn’t even really a Russian? Kaganovich may have been Ukrainian, but if he was a Jewish Commie, did the 1930’s Ukrainians consider him a compatriot? I cannot get my head around Ukrainians having apparently warm feelings for Ukrainian Jews and at the same time having a semi-official Nazi-ish party with members on the cabinet. Very confusing. None of this makes any sense at all. Btw, my original comment was intended for David Stockman’s article “The Land Where History Died,” and somehow ended up here, but hey, it’s all good.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ScarletNumber

    There is a huge extent to which “Nazi,” in the current Ukrainian milieu, means “anti-Russian” more than it means “anti-Jewish.” This is not contradicted by the historical Russian and Soviet understanding of Nazis as causing suffering to all Eastern European peoples equally and not Jews in particular. The Azov types (and the regular Ukrainian military) had been attacking gentile Russian or Russian-speaking people, not Jews.

    • Thanks: Red Pill Angel
  199. @anon
    OT:

    They sure don't make women like they used to...
    Complaint: Green Bay woman dismembered man’s body, placed head in bucket

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >decapitation
    >in the orbit of Minnesota
    Somali?
    >mugshot: white and totally trying to channel Tura Satana
    Nice.
    “I never try anything. I just do it.”

  200. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    ThreeFiveSeven, the famous Minnesota..."Don't be touchin' our hairs" bill. How about them three inch finger nails, are those protected too?

    Replies: @Anonymous

    One of the few things California has done right in recent years is get rid of the human toll-takers on the GGB. I actually once came up with a bloody finger after handing bills to one of the black ladies with those long nails.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    I actually once came up with a bloody finger after handing bills to one of the black ladies with those long nails.
     
    A Somali working at a local Taco Bell had an extra thumblet growing out of the side of his otherwise normal thumb. I was thinking, I hope he doesn't give change with that hand. Not only did he, I got lightly scratched with it.

    You'd think they'd have taken care of something like that somewhere along the way, if not over there, then here. But another Somali told me such minor birth defects are seen as an omen of luck. Well, the other guy did get out of that country. He also told me the other man's nickname was Lix-- Somali for "6". (The x is an Arabesque voiceless pharyngeal fricative, or ħ, as in Maltese.)

    At a DC airport, a Somali rental car agent had webbed fingers; the only other time I'd seen that was on an Amish woman knitting in a train station. It appears local inbreeding was at play in both cases.

  201. @Reg Cæsar
    @Matra


    Wales does have a national team, but not a domestic league of their own.

     

    You chose to spread this misinformation on St David's Day? For shame!

    Wales has several domestic leagues, under the umbrella of the Football Association of Wales. Why, even Elvis Costello plays in one of them!


    Declan McManus discusses goalscoring heroics in JD Cymru Premier


    A half-dozen Welsh clubs choose to compete in the English leagues, but there is plenty of action at home, too. Like this club:



    https://boxtoboxfootball.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/download-e1542980242762.gif

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Five Welsh soccer teams play in English leagues, with Cardiff City playing in the Premier League three seasons ago. They play in the same stadium the Welsh national team plays in.

    As for the 2022 World Cup, Wales and Scotland were drawn into the same qualification group of 4 with Austria and Ukraine. Only one of the four will qualify for Qatar.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber

    Qualification for the 2022 World Cup [map]

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

  202. @sb
    You have to remember that these , er, countries were playing soccer before anyone else took up the sport . I realise that some non Brits take umbrage at the UK having four teams but that's generally accepted as just part of the sport's history

    Before WWI people were much more relaxed about what exactly was required to make for a national sporting team ( eg Australia had national sporting teams before there was a country called Australia and sometimes combined with New Zealand as a made up country called Australasia )

    At the Olympics there is ( occasionally ) a GB team which is basically England by another name .
    Actually they could theoretically have more teams if Isle of Man , Jersey and Guernsey decided to field national teams ( like Puerto Rico or Faroe Islands do )
    Note that Northern Ireland was originally Ireland . Most other sports have an all Ireland team but Irish soccer was that rare Irish organisation that was headquartered in Belfast and not Dublin

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Note that Northern Ireland was originally Ireland… Irish soccer was that rare Irish organisation that was headquartered in Belfast and not Dublin

    To this day, the team that competes out of Dublin has to call itself the Republic of Ireland, as Ireland is understood to mean Northern Ireland. The Irish Football Association only represents teams from the northern 6 counties, while the Football Association of Ireland represents the balance of the island.

  203. @Nachum
    @Anonymous

    As they did when the joke was told, but I'm pretty sure Otto had his tongue firmly in cheek.

    But that's interesting! I didn't know there were national teams back then. Thanks. I wonder who my paternal ancestors- who were from the Empire but from neither kingdom but rather the nominal "Kingdom of Galicia"- would have supported.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Well soccer has been played at the Olympics in a recognizable form since 1912. Austria, Hungary, Finland, and Russia all competed as separate teams, even though the former two were considered one country and Finland was not independent of Russia.

    Then, going in the opposite direction, when Austria was annexed into Germany in March 1938 they withdrew from that year’s World Cup, despite qualifying in October 1937. FIFA decided to leave the tournament at 15 teams rather than decide which team to invite to fill the spot.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @ScarletNumber

    Well, I figured the Olympics might have had something to do with it, but I also see that at least some national teams, like England's, are much older.

  204. @Peter Akuleyev
    @Dumbo

    It’s really very simple, Ukraine was always seen mostly as a region of Russia.

    Only if you ignore the historic fact that Ukraine was Polish land stolen by the Muscovites in the 17th century. Polish was the language of culture and education in Kiev until the early 19th century. And of course much of modern Ukraine was Polish right up until 1939. Russians like to obscure the fact that "Russia" as we know it today is not an ancient country. Russia mostly consists of the lands the Muscovites conquered after the Golden Horde fell apart. Russia in its modern political sense is barely older than Massachusetts, and much younger than Mexico.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @J.Ross, @ScarletNumber

    Poland became an independent country after World War I, with eastern cities such as Brześć, Lwów, and Wilno. After World War II the Soviet Union decided those cities were more ethnically Soviet, so they are now Brest, Belarus; Lviv, Ukraine; and Vilnius, the capital city of Lithuania.

    At the same time, some land in eastern Germany was decided to be more ethnically Polish, so Breslau, Danzig, and Stettin became Wrocław, Gdańsk, and Szczecin in an area known as the Recovered Territories.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @ScarletNumber

    Steve is ripping me off...

    https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1499200006414241792

  205. @Graham
    @Jonathan Mason

    Barbados is still in the Commonwealth. Most Commonwealth nations do not have the Queen as their head of state.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Most Commonwealth nations do not have the Queen as their head of state

    While this is literally true, 15 still do. The ones who do are the ones filled with white people who were settled by the British, e.g. Canada, Australia, New Zealand. The shit-hole countries are the ones who don’t acknowledge Elizabeth as Head of State.

  206. meh says:
    @Bardon Kaldlan
    Well hell,if those four nations combined into one,wouldn't they stand a damn good chance of winning the bloody thing!

    BTW they're talking about a British Isles WC in 2030,with the UK and Ireland all hosting matches. Jolly good idea,that! Would love to see Ireland vs England,but this time in the finals. 😃

    Replies: @meh, @AndrewR

    Well hell,if those four nations combined into one,wouldn’t they stand a damn good chance of winning the bloody thing!

    I assume you are joking but no, absolutely not. The UK team would be mostly English, would still suck, and the only result would be that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland would lose their teams.

  207. @Red Pill Angel
    @Wokechoke

    Do you mean that Stalin, as a Georgian, wasn’t even really a Russian? Kaganovich may have been Ukrainian, but if he was a Jewish Commie, did the 1930’s Ukrainians consider him a compatriot? I cannot get my head around Ukrainians having apparently warm feelings for Ukrainian Jews and at the same time having a semi-official Nazi-ish party with members on the cabinet. Very confusing. None of this makes any sense at all. Btw, my original comment was intended for David Stockman’s article “The Land Where History Died,” and somehow ended up here, but hey, it’s all good.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @ScarletNumber

    Stalin, as a Georgian

    You mean like Jimmy Carter?

    • LOL: Red Pill Angel
  208. meh says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    So maybe the USA could have 50 teams in the World Cup, as if we could qualify that many, and we would run out of acceptable team names....no South Dakota Sioux for instance. I remember the great Russian Army Hockey teams when they came over to play against NHL teams. Buffalo beat them here in our old "Aud." Fun times, without civilian casualties.

    Replies: @meh

    So maybe the USA could have 50 teams in the World Cup, as if we could qualify that many, and we would run out of acceptable team names….no South Dakota Sioux for instance. I remember the great Russian Army Hockey teams when they came over to play against NHL teams. Buffalo beat them here in our old “Aud.” Fun times, without civilian casualties.

    The USA is big enough, in soccer terms, it could easily field three teams (Yankees, Dixie, West Coast, for instance) with a good chance of two or three of them qualifying in a weak region (CONCACAF) every four years. The only other consistently good team in the region is Mexico, except for the very recent rise of Canada. Since 1990 (with the exception of 2018) Mexico and USA have always qualified.

    The USA recognizes states but doesn’t recognize regions so we don’t have sporting recognition for regional identities like Dixie, New England, Midwest, Mid-Atlantic, West Coast, South-West, etc.

    CONCACAF with the addition of American regions would be a lot more interesting than the current situation since there’s only one Central American team at a time that is half-decent (usually Costa Rica) and none in the Caribbean. Under the current setup Mexico and USA dominate when they aren’t actively shooting themselves in the foot. That changes somewhat when a third team like Canada is playing well. Add another half-dozen decent teams and things get a lot more interesting.

  209. @Buffalo Joe
    @Recently Based

    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming "Six Nations" rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @meh

    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.

    The Iroquois do have a national team in the sport of lacrosse, by the way. Not internationally recognized, except within the sport of lacrosse itself.

  210. @Jonathan Mason
    @Buffalo Joe


    Recently, I was also confused when I saw an upcoming “Six Nations” rugby tournament, because around here the Six Nations are the Iroquois Federation of native tribes. Who knew.
     
    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations--England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called 'Ulster' that represents Northern Ireland only.

    The tournament started in 1883 with the 4 home countries, then France was added in 1910, and Italy in 2000.

    The Iroqois league certainly started out much earlier, with the Beaver wars in 1609, and then temporarily split in two during the Revolutionary war in the US.

    The Iroqois were enthusiastic proponents of slavery, but didn't treat their slaves very well, and found that Europeans made very poor slaves, so they preferred to trade them for wampun, or just kill them if they were of no commercial value.

    During the astonishing process of "Indian termination" during the period of the 1940s to 1960s the Iroquois resisted termination of their tribal rights and lands, but they have not attracted many fans in recent years, and the six nations are now divided between Canada and the US.

    They stil issue their own passports, but these are rarely accepted for international travel and the passports are not accepted for entry into Canada. In fact In early 2010, a delegation from Kahnawake to an environmental conference in Bolivia was unable to return to Canada on the passport, stranding the group in El Salvador for several weeks before they were allowed, under escort, to transit via the United States.

    The six nations rugby league has no such problems, and presumably now that Brits no longer have EU passports, British rugby players and fans will still be able to travel to France and Italy to play and watch rugby and drink beer--however many of the most popular French and Italian beers are manufactured by Heineken, which may be a bit of a downer.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Reg Cæsar, @(((They))) Live, @meh

    I think quite a few people knew, because the Guinness Six Nations Rugby Tournament includes the four home nations–England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland, plus France and Italy. Interestingly there is no separate team for Northern Ireland, with the Ireland team representing the whole island, but there is a rugby team called ‘Ulster’ that represents Northern Ireland only.

    When the Republic of Ireland was established, the Irish Rugby Football Union continued to play as a united team representing the whole island, whereas soccer split in two with the Irish Football Association (based in Belfast) representing the north and the newly established Football Association of Ireland (in Dublin) representing the south.

    Ulster is a province covering Northern Ireland and part of the Republic; the four Irish provinces (Ulster, Munster, Leinster and Connacht) compete in the United Rugby Championship, which is a professional competition held every year, below the level of national teams.

  211. @ScarletNumber
    @Nachum

    Well soccer has been played at the Olympics in a recognizable form since 1912. Austria, Hungary, Finland, and Russia all competed as separate teams, even though the former two were considered one country and Finland was not independent of Russia.

    Then, going in the opposite direction, when Austria was annexed into Germany in March 1938 they withdrew from that year's World Cup, despite qualifying in October 1937. FIFA decided to leave the tournament at 15 teams rather than decide which team to invite to fill the spot.

    Replies: @Nachum

    Well, I figured the Olympics might have had something to do with it, but I also see that at least some national teams, like England’s, are much older.

  212. @J.Ross
    Yuval Harrari has issued a lurid and factless screed essentially declaring that Russia is doomed because long-term occupation with military force cannot exist. Anybody here remember where Yuval Harrari is from? That an Icelandic name? Maybe Italian? Ivory Cost? Inuit? Ipanema? International Space Station?

    Replies: @Nachum

    Harrari is from International Land.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Nachum

    Wit of the staircase: INTERZONE!

  213. Remember that the USSR had no problem taking extra UN seats- they had three, on the argument that their fifteen republics were independent states. The US said that its states were certainly freer than the Soviet republics in practice, and probably similar on paper, and so said if the Commies got fifteen, the US would demand fifty. So they settled for three- Belarus, Ukraine, and the USSR as a whole, which makes no sense, but hey.

  214. @Stan Adams
    @Buffalo Joe

    It would be more practical, to be sure.

    We talked a little more about it. He's somewhat burned out on life at the moment and he's looking for some excitement. He admitted that he's been having "delusions of grandeur" after watching videos like these:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKrReH_UQFw

    That video does nothing for me. It doesn't make me one iota more inclined to care one whit about the Ukrainian cause. Frankly, it seems rather silly. But my friend isn't like me. He's a little naïve - not stupid, just somewhat less cynical than he should be. He finds the pitch exciting. Maybe he's just so hungry for something to live for that he's latching onto a death wish.

    Me, I'm a borderline nihilist these days. I see so much human potential being pissed away for ... what? LGBTQIA2S+ nonsense, BLM madness, Putler hysteria - what does it add up to? What is the point of any of it? What do the Soros/Bezos/Gates types get out of promoting this crap? More power and more money, presumably, but surely at some level they must realize how it could backfire on them. Maybe Steve is right and there is no Inner Party, just a bunch of monkeys banging away at keyboards. But instead of Shakespeare we're getting Newspeak treatises on the 1619 Project and the collected works of Chuck Tingle.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Stan, heroics are never planned, they just happen. Some run from, some run to. Everything is cool until your leg or arm are off or half your face is gone. Video games make herioics easy or just reset. You stay safe.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Buffalo Joe


    You stay safe.
     
    Same to you.
  215. @Goddard
    @Anonymous

    England was going to grant Wales its independence, but welshed.

    Replies: @Escher

    This one makes me want to issue loud Wales.
    But that might trigger the Eire of my neighbors, who will get away Scot free after beating me up.

  216. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Abolish_public_education

    "Scotland has a reputation of being a net tax leech. Lots of UK taxpayers would be happy to see them leave."

    Tax leech, eh? You ain't seen nothing yet!

    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim "New Scots" (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won't be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.

    "Wales is not a separate country."

    [sigh]

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    They made a semantic change from principality to “country in 2013.

  217. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Abolish_public_education

    "Scotland has a reputation of being a net tax leech. Lots of UK taxpayers would be happy to see them leave."

    Tax leech, eh? You ain't seen nothing yet!

    If Scotland continues its suicidal policy of welcoming black and Muslim "New Scots" (heh) then in two or three more generations, there simply won't be a Scotland anymore, just Surplus Poor Brown People Storage Area 752-B.

    "Wales is not a separate country."

    [sigh]

    Replies: @Coemgen, @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    Scotland is the whitest nation both literally in skin tone and by recognized definitions in Europe with no close second.

    Vast areas of the highlands a non white has never seen much less settled.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Tiger Woods has been seen in Scotland.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Anonymous

    "Vast areas of the highlands a non white has never seen much less settled."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/20/religion.september111


    When Miriam Amjad speaks Punjabi, it is with a soft Hebridean lilt. Not that she has much chance to use her native tongue in Stornoway, where visitors to her gift shop order trinkets in English or Gaelic.

    Mrs Amjad, 44, was born and raised on the island of Lewis, the daughter of one of the first Muslim settlers in the Western Isles. Wali Mohammed arrived on the remote archipelago in the 1950s, travelling the single track roads with a suitcase full of fabrics to sell.

    "My father came from Pakistan just after partition," Mrs Amjad says over tea and shortbread. "He went first to Glasgow where he had a brother and they came up here to sell drapery. He could make a reasonable living and he decided to stay. It was a similar background that he came from; a village background. It was quiet and the people were good and friendly."

    Others followed, and Stornoway soon had a small but thriving Muslim community, some 14 families in all. They set up businesses and settled into quiet obscurity, 50 miles from the mainland and a world away from the ebb and flow of racial tension.

    But the community often praised as a model of integration is dwindling. Five Muslim families have left Stornoway in the past 10 years and Mrs Amjad expects to follow them when her children, Saba, 16, Sabir, 15, and Neelum, 12, leave school.

    "There are only a handful of Muslim homes now," she said. "And we are unlikely to stay. The children would not get work here. Many of the young people have been forced to leave the island."

    There is another reason to leave. There is no mosque in the Western Isles and Mrs Amjad worries that her children are growing up too distant from their culture and religion. Collective prayers are held in each other's houses, festivals celebrated in a rented hall, halal food shipped in from Glasgow in refrigerated trucks. For all their respectful coexistence, she says, the island's Muslims have never truly integrated into the local community, and she feels an increasing sense of isolation.
     
  218. @Buffalo Joe
    @Stan Adams

    Stan, heroics are never planned, they just happen. Some run from, some run to. Everything is cool until your leg or arm are off or half your face is gone. Video games make herioics easy or just reset. You stay safe.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    You stay safe.

    Same to you.

  219. Your state university intends to give away four years worth of tuition for kids whose financial sponsors [qualify for EIC]. Keep those left-wing, basketweaving depts in business. Last year it recruited a high-priced football coach. 60 players go for free (apparently, not enough to support all those X Studies profsters seeking tenure).

    NJ taxpayers must be feeling especially generous.

    I know that the university runs a land grant, ag school. Where are the free rides for the applied science students, i.e. the original mission of the four-year, state U’s?

  220. @Bardon Kaldlan
    Well hell,if those four nations combined into one,wouldn't they stand a damn good chance of winning the bloody thing!

    BTW they're talking about a British Isles WC in 2030,with the UK and Ireland all hosting matches. Jolly good idea,that! Would love to see Ireland vs England,but this time in the finals. 😃

    Replies: @meh, @AndrewR

    Hopefully they can find some stadiums free of nuclear fallout

  221. @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Scotland is the whitest nation both literally in skin tone and by recognized definitions in Europe with no close second.

    Vast areas of the highlands a non white has never seen much less settled.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon

    Tiger Woods has been seen in Scotland.

  222. “But I’m not much of a soccer fan, so the fact that the UK is represented by four separate national soccer teams in the World Cup didn’t have much effect on my thinking.”

    It does on most people’s thinking. “Soccer” i.e. football is the most popular pastime in the world; except for a few outliers like USA & India. And the World Cup is more important to most people than Russia/Ukraine & since it does have so much effect on their thinking, it has been disturbing to see how some of the top teams in European leagues have mimicked American jocks in “taking a knee” before matches in solidarity with BLM. There is no telling if this will crop up again at the World Cup this year, but one thing is for sure: Soccer Matters!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @nosods


    ...football is the most popular pastime in the world; except for a few outliers like USA & India. 
     
    And China, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Japan, just to name the other countries with 9- or 10-digit populations. In other words, "outliers" are half the world.
  223. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    One of the few things California has done right in recent years is get rid of the human toll-takers on the GGB. I actually once came up with a bloody finger after handing bills to one of the black ladies with those long nails.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I actually once came up with a bloody finger after handing bills to one of the black ladies with those long nails.

    A Somali working at a local Taco Bell had an extra thumblet growing out of the side of his otherwise normal thumb. I was thinking, I hope he doesn’t give change with that hand. Not only did he, I got lightly scratched with it.

    You’d think they’d have taken care of something like that somewhere along the way, if not over there, then here. But another Somali told me such minor birth defects are seen as an omen of luck. Well, the other guy did get out of that country. He also told me the other man’s nickname was Lix– Somali for “6”. (The x is an Arabesque voiceless pharyngeal fricative, or ħ, as in Maltese.)

    At a DC airport, a Somali rental car agent had webbed fingers; the only other time I’d seen that was on an Amish woman knitting in a train station. It appears local inbreeding was at play in both cases.

  224. @ScarletNumber
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Poland became an independent country after World War I, with eastern cities such as Brześć, Lwów, and Wilno. After World War II the Soviet Union decided those cities were more ethnically Soviet, so they are now Brest, Belarus; Lviv, Ukraine; and Vilnius, the capital city of Lithuania.

    At the same time, some land in eastern Germany was decided to be more ethnically Polish, so Breslau, Danzig, and Stettin became Wrocław, Gdańsk, and Szczecin in an area known as the Recovered Territories.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    Steve is ripping me off…

  225. @nosods
    "But I’m not much of a soccer fan, so the fact that the UK is represented by four separate national soccer teams in the World Cup didn’t have much effect on my thinking."

    It does on most people's thinking. "Soccer" i.e. football is the most popular pastime in the world; except for a few outliers like USA & India. And the World Cup is more important to most people than Russia/Ukraine & since it does have so much effect on their thinking, it has been disturbing to see how some of the top teams in European leagues have mimicked American jocks in "taking a knee" before matches in solidarity with BLM. There is no telling if this will crop up again at the World Cup this year, but one thing is for sure: Soccer Matters!

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …football is the most popular pastime in the world; except for a few outliers like USA & India. 

    And China, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Japan, just to name the other countries with 9- or 10-digit populations. In other words, “outliers” are half the world.

  226. @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    Five Welsh soccer teams play in English leagues, with Cardiff City playing in the Premier League three seasons ago. They play in the same stadium the Welsh national team plays in.

    As for the 2022 World Cup, Wales and Scotland were drawn into the same qualification group of 4 with Austria and Ukraine. Only one of the four will qualify for Qatar.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Reg Cæsar

    For those who don't follow closely, the United States is currently in 2nd with three matches left. The top 3 teams in North America qualify. Our remaining games are @Mexico, Panama @Orlando, and @Costa Rica. Since Panama is the current 4th place team and we are 4 points ahead of them, a win over them on March 27 would clinch a berth in the World Cup.

    Also, your map helps to prove the point that the world considers the United Kingdom to be 1 country rather than 4, as there is a legend at the bottom explaining the status of each of the 4 teams.

  227. @Nachum
    @J.Ross

    Harrari is from International Land.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Wit of the staircase: INTERZONE!

  228. @Reg Cæsar
    @ScarletNumber

    Qualification for the 2022 World Cup [map]

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    For those who don’t follow closely, the United States is currently in 2nd with three matches left. The top 3 teams in North America qualify. Our remaining games are @Mexico, Panama @Orlando, and @Costa Rica. Since Panama is the current 4th place team and we are 4 points ahead of them, a win over them on March 27 would clinch a berth in the World Cup.

    Also, your map helps to prove the point that the world considers the United Kingdom to be 1 country rather than 4, as there is a legend at the bottom explaining the status of each of the 4 teams.

  229. @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Scotland is the whitest nation both literally in skin tone and by recognized definitions in Europe with no close second.

    Vast areas of the highlands a non white has never seen much less settled.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Vast areas of the highlands a non white has never seen much less settled.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/jun/20/religion.september111

    When Miriam Amjad speaks Punjabi, it is with a soft Hebridean lilt. Not that she has much chance to use her native tongue in Stornoway, where visitors to her gift shop order trinkets in English or Gaelic.

    Mrs Amjad, 44, was born and raised on the island of Lewis, the daughter of one of the first Muslim settlers in the Western Isles. Wali Mohammed arrived on the remote archipelago in the 1950s, travelling the single track roads with a suitcase full of fabrics to sell.

    “My father came from Pakistan just after partition,” Mrs Amjad says over tea and shortbread. “He went first to Glasgow where he had a brother and they came up here to sell drapery. He could make a reasonable living and he decided to stay. It was a similar background that he came from; a village background. It was quiet and the people were good and friendly.”

    Others followed, and Stornoway soon had a small but thriving Muslim community, some 14 families in all. They set up businesses and settled into quiet obscurity, 50 miles from the mainland and a world away from the ebb and flow of racial tension.

    But the community often praised as a model of integration is dwindling. Five Muslim families have left Stornoway in the past 10 years and Mrs Amjad expects to follow them when her children, Saba, 16, Sabir, 15, and Neelum, 12, leave school.

    “There are only a handful of Muslim homes now,” she said. “And we are unlikely to stay. The children would not get work here. Many of the young people have been forced to leave the island.”

    There is another reason to leave. There is no mosque in the Western Isles and Mrs Amjad worries that her children are growing up too distant from their culture and religion. Collective prayers are held in each other’s houses, festivals celebrated in a rented hall, halal food shipped in from Glasgow in refrigerated trucks. For all their respectful coexistence, she says, the island’s Muslims have never truly integrated into the local community, and she feels an increasing sense of isolation.

  230. @Charon
    @Anon7

    In case you missed it, some of Putin's actual words... And why this is actually a sort of 'religious war' for the U.S. and its proxies:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/putin-demands-equity/#comment-5196095

    Replies: @Anon7

    Thanks, this is a great comment.

    Here is the video of this speech. Be sure to turn on comments (and adjust to make them in English), unless you speak Russian.

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