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From a New York Times book review that provides a useful way to think about the Great Awokening’s “de-compartmentalization” of science from the Woke faith (“All races and genders are created equal, but some are more equal than others”) that is threatening scientists and thus science.

BOOKS OF THE TIMES

Modern Science Didn’t Appear Until the 17th Century. What Took So Long?
By Jennifer Szalai
Oct. 7, 2020

… “The Knowledge Machine,” a provocative and fascinating book by the philosopher Michael Strevens that mostly enthralled me, even as a couple of parts set my teeth on edge.

… But human civilization has existed for millenniums, and modern science — as distinct from ancient and medieval science, or so-called natural philosophy — has only been around for a few hundred years. What took so long?

… According to “The Knowledge Machine,” it took a cataclysm to disrupt the longstanding way of looking at the world in terms of an integrated whole. The Thirty Years’ War in Europe — which started over religion and ended, after killing millions, with a system of nation-states — made compartmentalization look good. Religious identity would be private; political identity would be public. Not that this partition was complete in the 17th century, but Strevens says it opened up the previously unfathomable possibility of sequestering science. The timing also happened to coincide with the life of Isaac Newton, who became known for his groundbreaking work in mathematics and physics. Even though Newton was an ardent alchemist with a side interest in biblical prophecy, he supported his scientific findings with empirical inquiry; he was, Strevens argues, “a natural intellectual compartmentalizer” who arrived at a fortuitous time.

This is a pretty standard explanation: after the Thirty Years War of 1618-1648, Europeans were sick of wars of religion, so they tried to be more tolerant of each other’s views on faith and instead look for common ground, such as science, in which they could productively work together.

But now we have a rising new religion, Wokeness, that tolerates no dissent. How dare you compartmentalize your view of scientists?

If you admire, say, Francis Galton for inventing the silent dog whistle, the correlation coefficient, the weather map, and the first effective way to use fingerprints in criminal investigations, that means you favor eugenics as well. In fact, we aren’t so sure about dog whistles, correlations, and criminal investigations either.

So modern science began, accruing its enormous power through what Strevens calls “the iron rule of explanation,” requiring scientists to settle arguments by empirical testing, imposing on them a common language “regardless of their intellectual predilections, cultural biases or narrow ambitions.” Individual scientists can believe whatever they want to believe, and their individual modes of reasoning can be creative and even wild, but in order to communicate with one another, in scientific journals, they have to abide by this rule. The motto of England’s Royal Society, founded in 1660, is “Nullius in verba”: “Take nobody’s word for it.”

… The machine in Strevens’s title has scientists pursuing their work relentlessly while also abiding by certain rules of the game, allowing even the most vehement partisans to talk with one another.

Michelson, Einstein, Millikan in 1931

Yeah, well, that was then, but this is now. From the Los Angeles Times:

Column: Caltech’s effort to confront its racist past hits a snag

By MICHAEL HILTZIK BUSINESS COLUMNIST
OCT. 7, 202012:55 PM

At first blush, the California Institute of Technology seemed to respond promptly and well to the uproar sparked this summer over its apparent complicity with the racist eugenics movement of a century ago.

Caltech, one of the nation’s leading scientific research institutions, took steps to increase diversity in its undergraduate and graduate programs, publish data on diversity at all levels from faculty appointments to undergrads, and improve its institutional response to discriminatory behavior.

The Pasadena university also established a task force to examine its policies on naming campus buildings.

This was aimed directly at the disclosure that its venerated former president, Robert A. Millikan, had been an officer of the pro-eugenics Human Betterment Foundation, which promoted forced sterilization and racial segregation.

A petition seeking to remove the name of Millikan and others associated with the foundation from campus buildings and programs has been signed by 1,083 members of the Caltech community, according to its organizer, Michael Chwe, a UCLA faculty member and Caltech alumnus.

But Caltech’s effort to come to terms with racism in its past has run into a snag.

The so-called Naming Task Force has been rattled by the resignation of one of its members, Sarah Sam.

She says she is black.

A doctoral student in neurobiology who is president of Black Scientists and Engineers of Caltech, Sam was the only Black student on the 15-member task force, which comprises faculty, alumni, students and administrators.

Sam announced her resignation on Sept. 28 with a broadside in which she asserted that “the membership of this committee neither has the background nor is willing to address institutional racism at Caltech.”

She suggested that some committee members seemed intent on minimizing the impact of eugenics and the Human Betterment Foundation on the victims of sterilization.

Some even tried to rationalize eugenics as standard intellectual thinking in Millikan’s era and compulsory sterilization as “an artifact of limited scientific understanding during the early 20th century,” she said.

Sam alleged that “several committee members are eugenics apologists,” though she didn’t identify them. “Many of our meetings have centered around the question, ‘To what extent is eugenics wrong/racist?’” — a question that one would think had long been settled by the eugenics movement’s role in racial policies of the Nazi regime in Germany. …

Few figures have as towering a reputation at their academic institutions as Robert A. Millikan does at Caltech. Millikan, who died in 1953, served as Caltech’s president for 24 years, longer than anyone else.

A Nobel laureate in physics, Millikan helped establish the school’s worldwide reputation. During his lifetime, he was also a leading public intellectual; his name still adorns schools and streets around the Southland. …

But archival research, much of it associated with the renaming issue, points to overt racism on Millikan’s part.

In a speech he delivered in 1924, four years into his tenure as Caltech’s president, he stated that “California is today … the westernmost outpost of Nordic civilization. The problem of the relations of our race to the Asiatic races is the big race problem of the future. California must inevitably contribute largely to the solution of that problem.”

In a 1951 letter written during a visit to Mississippi, he told his wife, Greta: “More than half of the population in this state is made up of negroes — a very serious situation. For it means that under universal suffrage they could control the state now — an unthinkable disaster in view of the sort of people they now are.” …

Millikan wrote that in a private letter to his wife, so who knows what even more horrible thoughts he might have been thinking inside his own head but didn’t dare express? How can such a possibility be tolerated?

Caltech hasn’t progressed far enough from its history of discrimination, the Black Scientists and Engineers asserted in a June 25 statement that helped to prompt the institution’s stock-taking; of 1,299 graduate students, only 11 were Black, the organization stated.

Of course, that might have something to do with the Test Score gap.

…The Palo Alto school district has voted to take Terman’s name off a middle school. Pasadena’s Neighborhood Unitarian Universalist Church, which Millikan co-founded, last year removed his name from a room in its building.

You can always count on the Unitarian Universalists to have your back when you get into a jam and need a friend.

At Caltech, Sam says that while she was on the renaming committee, it was still grappling with such fundamental questions as, “How do we separate the scientist from the man?”

Decompartmentalization.

She says her conviction that one could not distinguish a person’s career from his or her character “was not shared by my fellow members.”

It’s almost as if the major scientists on the committee with this grad student understand better than her that the history of science is testimony to the wisdom of not burning scientists at the stake when they disagree with you on questions of religious faith. You may find their opinions offensive, but the principle of compartmentalization means you are supposed to set your feelings aside and deal with questions of science rather than with your personal religion of race.

Some would ask, “Are we going to rename a building every time we disagree with their politics?” she says. “The implication there was that eugenics ideology and committing crimes against humanity was simply a matter of politics, not ethical standards.”

It’s not like they want Caltech to cancel the Linus Pauling lectures just because he was a fellow traveler and eugenicist. Being sympathetic to Communists is A-OK, and we can forgive Pauling’s eugenics advocacy because he was a Person of Leftness.

They just want to cancel the scientists they personally hate, not the ones they don’t personally hate. Individuals of the preferred race, gender, ethnicity, etc. (a.k.a., People of Power) will provide you with lists of who they hate at the appropriate times.

It’s not hard to understand the quandary Caltech faces in making a clean break with Millikan. “There’s a mythology about Millikan on campus,” Chwe observes. “I was part of that mythology. We were taught that he was a great man, so when I first heard that he was a eugenicist, I felt a little betrayed.

“But you can’t teach students that people are worthy of respect when they’re not. Then you’re just implicating them in your mythology.”

Decompartmentalization Now!

 
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  1. That’s an expensive fifteen minutes of fame, “black” girl.

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
    , @Realist
  2. Muggles says:

    “But you can’t teach students that people are worthy of respect when they’re not. Then you’re just implicating them in your mythology.”

    Free pass to the next Caltech football game if you can explain what this Caltech “scientist” means by this.

    How do you implicate someone in your mythology?

    Erasing the past is a totalitarian tactic. Someone at Caltech might want to study that.

    Virtually everyone, including scientists, mathematicians, etc. from the past had ideas that you or I might not like. Some had ideas few if anyone still holds. But if they discovered something important why is that relevant?

    That is just logic. Something which is now condemned by Woke fascists.

  3. 216 says:

    We need Civilian Control of Academia

    Mandatory quotas for the real marginalized group on faculties: The Right

  4. MLK says:

    Remember “People who can’t do, teach?”

    It’s now, People who can’t do, trash those who did and will.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks, annamaria
  5. Oh, the sins of the past will forever haunt us.

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
    , @JWalters
  6. Tangentially related: TJHSST scrapping their entrance exam.

    One wonders if a bunch of families are going to move close to Montgomery Blair HS in Maryland, or if Blair is stupid enough to follow TJ’s lead.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  7. Hunsdon says:

    I don’t even really like Harlan Ellison very much, but I find his titles catchy. I have no mouth, and I must scream.

    • Replies: @Thomas
  8. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    She is at most 33% black, and her blackness seems to be West Indies kind.

    She claims to be a “brain scientist” but the sole paper she has published is a description of a database they built. That is, a mindless “factory science”.

  9. I guess that rockets and jet engines are racist-because-nazi-adjunct too.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  10. Great man knocked down. Mediocre run of the mill female student bowed down to. Where have I seen this before??

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Art
  11. @Muggles

    Virtually everyone, including scientists, mathematicians, etc. from the past had ideas that you or I might not like. Some had ideas few if anyone still holds. But if they discovered something important why is that relevant?

    That is just logic. Something which is now condemned by Woke fascists.

    That’s just your opinion, which obviously they don’t share and are having a huge amount of success in wiping out from the US and the world. They’re actually smart enough to understand and play the game. You’re impotently whining about some principle that exists in your head (and the heads of your fellow losers) and that you expect other people to follow (for no rational reason).

    They understand that everyone has to have a conception of their history and a conception of their morality, and in a multiethnic society those choices are inevitably going to favor some ethnicities over others. And they have the power and the understanding to impose their self servicing views on other groups.

    You can’t even come up with a system that actually favors white christian males and just gets you more “principled” forms of domination and exploitation. And tellingly you defend your silly system on moral terms (fascism!) literally created to undermine white christian men.

    White christian men have to start by going tiny duck and understanding how patheticly weak and stupid they are and then move on from there. It’s the only way. Stop fantasizing about all the white male nobel prize winners as though a completely unrepresentative trailing indicator means anything.

  12. Thomas says:
    @Hunsdon

    His voiceover for the video game adaptation of I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream was fun. Giving AM Ellison’s voice and personality was a bright spot in an otherwise lackluster 1990’s bargain bin title.

    • Thanks: Hunsdon
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    , @teo toon
  13. None of this means anything. Just bored, mid tiered people jerking off publicly.

    • Disagree: The Wild Geese Howard
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  14. Wilkey says:

    More than half of the population in this state is made up of negroes — a very serious situation. For it means that under universal suffrage they could control the state now — an unthinkable disaster in view of the sort of people they now are.”

    Strange. The natural, common sense way to respond to such an assertion – the scientific way, for that matter – is to point to examples to the contrary. Just pick a few examples of well-run black majority cities, states, and countries. The fact that this woman didn’t bother – the fact that no one ever bothers – is quite telling.

    And this is what it means to say that Wokeness is a fanatical, anti-science religion.. They have beliefs which they have plucked from the sky which you are not allowed to question or dispute with facts. All races are equal, both (I mean all) sexes are equal, sex isn’t determined by chromosomes, etc. It’s true because we say it’s true and if you question that you are evil.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  15. nebulafox says:

    It’s a fascinating theory, but I’m unconvinced. There were individuals prior to Westphalia who did engage in something similar to the modern empirical scientific method that we’d recognize: Leonardo Da Vinci, Francis Bacon, and Galileo Galilei, for example. The scientific revolution was the explosion of a process that had been building quietly for centuries. Another critical factor was the same one that led to the strife of the wars of religion: the printing press making cheap, relatively affordable books for a literate middle class.

    Where I do think Westphalia was impactful-massively so-was in creating much more pleasant political conditions for ordinary people. Most of the time, scientists tend to belong to that group, if the elite strata of it. It’s no coincidence that today’s globalist elites want to reverse a system that imposes the barriers of the nation-state on their individual desires, and in practice, curbing those of the peasants.

    As far as the Usual Suspects go, they might want to be careful, lest our descendants judge them as harshly as they do people of the past. I’m already convinced that our grandchildren are going to look upon the people who try to break up parental bonds in order to force “gender-fluidity” on 7 years olds as our own analogue to the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.

  16. syonredux says:

    Poor Millikan…..He thought that he was on the right side of history….

    At this moment, August 22, 1938, the principles of representative ballot government, such as are represented by the governments of the Anglo-Saxon, French, and Scandinavian countries, are in deadly conflict with the principles of despotism, which up to two centuries ago had controlled the destiny of man throughout practically the whole of recorded history. If the rational, scientific, progressive principles win out in this struggle there is a possibility of a warless, golden age ahead for mankind. If the reactionary principles of despotism triumph now and in the future, the future history of mankind will repeat the sad story of war and oppression as in the past.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Andrews_Millikan#Famous_statements

  17. syonredux says:

    It’s not hard to understand the quandary Caltech faces in making a clean break with Millikan. “There’s a mythology about Millikan on campus,” Chwe observes. “I was part of that mythology. We were taught that he was a great man, so when I first heard that he was a eugenicist, I felt a little betrayed.

    “But you can’t teach students that people are worthy of respect when they’re not. Then you’re just implicating them in your mythology.”

    See, Millikan was a eugenicist, which means that I’m better than him….even though I’m never going to win a Nobel Prize in Physics or help create one of the world’s greatest research universities….

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  18. @Muggles

    ‘Free pass to the next Caltech football game if you can explain what this Caltech “scientist” means by this.’

    That would be one hot ticket. The Beaver football team is undefeated since 1993!

    As to the question, I would say, it’s a fool who looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart:

    I assume the point of the quote is that the mythology is evil, and by indoctrinating people into that mythology by telling them that the people were good, you are making them guilty by association with such evil. But, really, I think many of these people need translators.
    https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-campiagn-hires-translator-to-convert-his-speeches-into-english/

  19. @Wilkey

    Strange. The natural, common sense way to respond to such an assertion – the scientific way, for that matter – is to point to examples to the contrary. Just pick a few examples of well-run black majority cities, states, and countries. The fact that this woman didn’t bother – the fact that no one ever bothers – is quite telling.

    This has nothing to do with science. This is politics and once you see it for what it is it’s clear they’re doing a very good job wiping the floor with you

    And as an aside, there are well run black majority cities and countries so your science isn’t very good either.

  20. Anonymous[652] • Disclaimer says:

    OT:

    Hey everybody! Tune in for the Oliver Cromwell Show starring —you know who— Scott Adams!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays

    Yes and for New Right newbies today’s periscope episode is an especially good place to start!

    Lots of sensitive authoritarianism (“I don’t believe in free will.”) mixed with hyper intolerant pseudoscience (No he won’t be debating anyone high profile who disagrees. Instead only “removing them from his life forever.”)

    So tune in but just remember as a member of Scott’s audience: be prepared for a good tongue lashing!

    • Troll: acementhead
    • Replies: @Bill
    , @Muggles
  21. Rob McX says:

    Is it possible to find anyone, in the whole history of humanity up to 1950 or so, who ever made a comment on the subject of race that would be approved by today’s gatekeepers of Wokeness? Nobody back then believed races were equal or socially compatible. Of course, not many people believe so today either, but they know they’d better keep their opinions to themselves. Nobody wants to be transformed from respected academic to unemployed social pariah overnight.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  22. J.Ross says:

    >milleniums

    Anger. Coldness. Darkness. Pain.

  23. J.Ross says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Oleanna. I first saw it back when it was relatively new and thought, well, Mamet’s really loading a confected situation. Actually he saw the future, our present. Worth a look if you haven’t seen it.

    • Agree: Dumbo
  24. Wilkey says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    And as an aside, there are well run black majority cities and countries so your science isn’t very good either.

    And yet again your cite no examples.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  25. utu says:

    Millikan and his then graduate student Harvey Fletcher used the oil-drop experiment to measure the charge of the electron (as well as the electron mass, and Avogadro’s number, since their relation to the electron charge was known).

    Professor Millikan took sole credit, in return for Harvey Fletcher claiming full authorship on a related result for his dissertation.[11] Millikan went on to win the 1923 Nobel Prize for Physics, in part for this work, and Fletcher kept the agreement a secret until his death.

    My work with Millikan on the oil-drop experiment, Harvey Fletcher, Physics Today, June 1982

    People have frequently asked me if I had bad feelings toward Millikan for not letting me be a joint author with him on this first paper, which really led to his getting the Nobel Prize. My answer has always been no. It is obvious that I was disappointed as I had done considerable work on it, and had expected to be a joint author. But Millikan was very good to me while I was at Chicago. It was through his influence that I got into the graduate school. He also found remunerative jobs for me to defray all my personal and school expenses for the last two years. Above this was the friendship created by working intimately together for more than two years. This lasted throughout our lifetime. When he wrote his memoirs shortly before he died he had probably forgotten some of these early experiences.

  26. @Rob McX

    Is it possible to find anyone, in the whole history of humanity up to 1950 or so, who ever made a comment on the subject of race that would be approved by today’s gatekeepers of Wokeness?

    Virtually anything a black person says about race before 1950 is acceptable. You really don’t understand how this all works, do you?

    Nobody back then believed races were equal or socially compatible.

    If people in the past actually thought blacks and whites weren’t compatible we wouldn’t have the mess we have now. It’s even less likely that people all secretly believe that now. You sound like a gay guy coping by talking about how everyone is actually secretly gay too.

    • Troll: Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  27. Cato says:

    “Many of our meetings have centered around the question, ‘To what extent is eugenics wrong/racist?’” — a question that one would think had long been settled by the eugenics movement’s role in racial policies of the Nazi regime in Germany. …

    The Nazis were very cruel eugenicists (they marched the inhabitants of the mental asylums outside and shot them), but their most vicious crimes were inspired not by eugenics, but by ethnic rivalry — they believed Jews to be a superior people and wanted ethnic Germans to escape their domination. Richard Lynn writes about this in his book on Eugenics. One can hate Nazis, and hate racism, but still embrace eugenics (a race-neutral eugenics).

    In addition, regarding Sarah Sam. She’s a callow student. At some point in her life, someone should have helped her understand that every human, lucky enough to live many years, will change their mind about so many things — they will become wiser. It is extreme hubris to believe that on a committee of Cal Tech stake holders that she — the youngest and least experienced — had the clearest insight. Obviously, she did not belong on that committee, and only got there because she claimed to be BLACK.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Wally
    , @Erostratus
  28. @Wilkey

    Look at the UN HDI. The black majority countries generally considered to have the highest standard of living are Barbados and the Bahamas. Among sub saharan african countries it’s Seychelles.

    Plenty of black run cities in the US also have very high standards of living by global standards. The most functional large black city in the US is generally considered to be Atlanta.

    You can always play games about what it means to be “well run.” I agree that blacks in any of these places aren’t creating the wealth and wellbeing for themselves. But your simplistic analysis doesn’t get at that question.

  29. Ano says:

    Dear Mr Sailer,

    Yes, it’s so true, eugenics is racist and wrong, but the reason I write is to say….

    You’re invited!!!

    We would love you to attend the grand opening ceremony of our latest clinic: The Robert A Millikan Center!

    (It wasn’t easy to find another area full of ghetto negroes in which to set up shop, but we here at Planned Parenthood did!

    Please RSVP! (and rub shoulders with all our progressive liberal benefactors and members of the Congress and Senate who so liberally fund us with your tax dollars!)

    Yours,

    Dr Black-De’Ath
    Chief Abortionist

  30. There is no consistent point that this idiotic post could possibly be trying to make, but it is a striking example of the strange world of Steve Sailer and his heavy-footed commentariat, who never thinks it’s a sin when they feel like they’re winning when they’re losing again.

    From a Sailerian point of view, you ought to be applauding this development. If you’re going to stipulate that the Enlightenment was a great leap forward for mankind—which is not in fact true, but it is your position so therefore you must own its correlates—then the fact that the men who brought you the Enlightenment were also race-realists ought to be cited in support of race-realism via a process of “compartmentalization,” as you put it. The argument ought to be that, if so august a figure as Linus Pauling, for example, was a eugenicist, then perhaps eugenics has something going for it.

    Instead, you decide to point and laugh at the person troubled by this realization and bemoan her as a “recompartmentalizer,” which only lends credence to the notion that the beliefs in question are evil and must be separated from the “scientific greatness” of the man and his other accomplishments. This is precisely the worst route you could take with this material; there is no world in which eugenics and race-realism would be more quickly confined to the dustbin of history than the very one in which the person of Linus Pauling was honored for his scientific accomplishments whilst simultaneously having his “sins” of eugenics separated from the rest of him. An ethos of enlightened decompartmentalization automatically cedes the moral high ground to the opposite side. At the same time, it also sublimates racial concerns into the irrational “religion of race” rather than treating them as part of the material that constitutes the proper substrate of scientific inquiry. A twofer own-goal for Team Steve.

    If decompartmentalization is the great thing that created the Enlightenment, then it ought to be pursued with all gusto. If we must separate the science from the man, then that only leads to the glorification of the science at the expense of the man (who is the earthy, Dionysian dross that must be rejected in favor of the Apollonian science); and if all that nasty racism is part of “the man,” then so much the more so should it be cast off and forgotten.

    I take no side in this argument because none of the premises are mine to begin with, but the illogicity and self-defeating incompetence of the Steveosphere is continuously a sight to behold.

  31. One of the highlights remembered from high-school physics was Millikan’s
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment
    Is this the same Millikan? Apparenty, Yes:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Andrews_Millikan

  32. The obsession with race seems like simple narcissism, but it could as well be a simple expression of power. The POX know that they can make most whites wet their pants in terror at the merest hint of a racism accusation. Maybe it’s just a septic stew of both – in any case only to get worse..

  33. CCZ says:
    @thinklikea1l

    Yes, they are!

    From Donna Zuckerberg’s [yes, THE Donna Zuckerberg] “Eidolon” “woke” journal of decolonizing The Classics (of Western Civilization):

    “White Supremacy and Trauma in NASA’s Use of Classics”

    NASA has a history with Nazis — a history that ties our space program inextricably with white supremacy. Though it has since shed the practice of hiring Nazis, racism and sexism have crept into the actions of this agency in oblique and insidious ways. One of those actions is the use of Latin and classical mythology. Disconnected from context, NASA’s use of the classics propagates harmful ideologies of trauma and white supremacy and mirrors the use of classics by the alt-right, which means that even in space we can find examples of racism and sexism. Understanding how this has happened, and working to prevent it, means re-evaluating NASA’s connection to the classics, and the place that white supremacy has in both arenas.

    As NASA grapples with a past that is mired in racism and sexism and a future that is fraught with the continuation of colonialism, taking small steps to change the loaded names that give identities to its missions seems a simple fix. Because if we can’t get rid of Nazis on the internet, or from our schools, or from our own field, we should at least remove them from our space program.

    https://eidolon.pub/latin-unmoored-7b0fcbe47bbd

  34. Here’s a video from Caltech featuring Sarah Sam (first appearance at 0:07).

    She’s black like Karen Harris is black.

    The lesson here is woke activism is easier than neuroscience. She’s done precious little of the latter.

    • Replies: @Anon
  35. @Guy De Champlagne

    Guy, good luck to you. You seem to be advocating for white Christians to play hardball politics like the woke. The end result tends to be…triumph of the most powerful, which is a pretty good short definition of fascism. Even if you think your white Christians win, it won’t be a world I want to be in. If the Enlightenment is truly done as the Woke and as you seem to be clamoring for, then the best thing to do is acquire gold bullion coins, lots of rifles and handguns, and a few cabins in different mountain west states.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    , @Dube
  36. @Anonymous

    Sam is a common surname among Navajos. She looks South Indian to me, also. I wonder if in the future the different womyn POC will fall into fighting each other over their supposed blood quantum and racial pedigree. Once all of us horrid whiteys are vanquished and neutered of course

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. ANON[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    If I’m not mistaken, we’ve just been subjected to a dose of ‘tough love’…

    The black majority countries generally considered to have the highest standard of living are Barbados and the Bahamas. Among sub saharan african countries it’s Seychelles.

    So you’re saying that tiny island nations which enjoyed a white-colonial structure are ‘relatively’ civilized in comparison with other BRCs?

  38. @Intelligent Dasein

    Oh, THERE you are, Ignatius! Myrna Minkoff has been worried sick, she’s been looking all over for you!

    Bundle him into the van, lads.

  39. nebulafox says:
    @Cato

    The Nazis were also deeply *stupid* eugenicists who chased away some of the most brilliant scientific talent of all time. Not just German and Austrian Jews and Mischlinge, but the hyper-brilliant “Martians” from Budapest (von Neumann, Wigner, Teller, Szilard) who got educated and got their careers started in Germany, to escape Hungary’s numerus clasus laws. When you’d rather have your talent be of the right “stock” (or insert ideology here) than have them loyal and productive to you, you are being an idiot.

    As I’ve alluded to in previous comments, I’m not a huge fan of judging people outside of their historical context, not least because I’m convinced our own descendants are going to judge us harshly on stuff we have no clue about.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Suicidal_canadian
  40. Whiskey says: • Website

    The bottom line is the civic nationalism “equality” fantasy of people like Steve has not worked. It has never worked. In 70 years it has not worked. It cannot work.

    Races in close proximity to each other cannot be equal. One must dominate the other and that has been, since the 1940s, black people dominating and controlling and making themselves the masters of White people. THAT is Dr. King’s Dream, pure and simple. Whitey as a slave. Nothing more, nothing less. Until he is gone, and all that went before him erased.

    Its why black people demand blowing up Mount Rushmore. Its why black people want the flag and anthem banned. Its why black people want Columbus unpersoned, and the Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln monuments and memorials destroyed.

    The fantasies of segregation and separate nations and repatriation are also just fantasies. There can be no separation, no back to Africa, no back to Europe, none of that.

    And lets get real. America neither wants nor needs scientific advancement. The ruling class can get that from China, no problems. Or India. By the same token, the black man is obviously the master race compared to the White man: lower natural IQ, higher levels of impulsive violence by factors of 8-12, dislike innate of work and responsibility, and the natural pimp of all mankind.

    Given that modern, post-industrial society elevates the female over the male, in all ways, is it any accident as the Marxists would argue, that the natural pimp among mankind reigns supreme in the West?

  41. Cato says:

    The Nazis were also deeply *stupid* eugenicists who chased away some of the most brilliant scientific talent of all time.

    Yes, agreed, Nazis ended the era of German universities uber alles, which lasted all through the 19th century.

    I’m not a huge fan of judging people outside of their historical context, not least because I’m convinced our own descendants are going to judge us harshly on stuff we have no clue about.

    Speculation that I’ve heard is that it might be about eating meat, using internal combustion engines, or using one-use plastic packaging.

    One might hope that the future would also condemn us for being just way too unreasonably woke.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  42. Anon[254] • Disclaimer says:

    It sounds like Caltech has lost its main focus on science and engineering, and is transforming itself into Woke Theological Seminary.

  43. Ano says:

    Dear Mr Sailer,

    While opposing eugenics as racist, I write appealing to you to support my petition for the legalisation of compulsory euthanasia of white men.

    For, as you know, the problem is not all the lovely PoC babies who will be this county’s future providers of super cheap labor (think of the money I’ll save!), but all the old white guys who still cling on to all the top jobs, preventing Strong Black Women (like myself) from getting to wield Absolute Total Power.

    Please add your name to my petition for compulsory euthanisation- particularly of any old white guys getting in my way.

    Yours,

    K Harris

    PS: Thank you for your vote! (One of our dead illegal aliens has already filled in your mail-in ballot, and another illegal alien will post it on your behalf.)

  44. // . We were taught that he was a great man, so when I first heard that he was a eugenicist, I felt a little betrayed.//

    Yes, I remember Millikan Veneration 100 during my first quarter. To pass we were suspended from the arch above his bust and had to lean backwards and kiss it on the nose while holding a small Erlenmeyer flask of vacuum pump oil, no spills allowed. It was a freshman requirement.

    We had 3 terms each year but they were called”quarters.” We were never taught why. Now I know it was because “trimester” was forbidden by that sterilization-happy eugenicist.

  45. anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    There is no consistent point that this idiotic post could possibly be trying to make,

    What was the first language you learned to read?

  46. ziggurat says:

    In a speech he delivered in 1924, four years into his tenure as Caltech’s president, he stated that “California is today … the westernmost outpost of Nordic civilization. …”

    I don’t think Millikan would recognize California now.

    • Replies: @teo toon
  47. Mr. Anon says:

    I saw a couple tweets by this “neuroscientist” (Yeah, she saw The Big Bang Theory and wanted to be Amy), and some other woman at Caltech who’s in computer scientist, denouncing Millikan, who is a far more consequential scientist than they will ever be, because he subscribed to the same kind of eugenic beliefs that SJWs routinely invoke when they talk about people in fly-over land.

    And just what are these women of science working on? They will likely go to work in the MIC-adjacent precincts of academia, working on AI, bio-implants, and other similar technologies that are the stuff of dystopian Phillip K. Dick fiction. They may well help usher in nightmares as-yet-undreamed that will make stodgy old early 20th century eugenecists like Millikan seem like Snidely Whiplash in comparison.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  48. @John Milton’s Ghost

    So “hardball politics” are fine when non whites do it but it’s fascism when whites do it? And fascism isn’t a human political philosophy from the early 20th century but is actually “triumph of the most powerful”, something as old as life itself?

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  49. @allahu akbar

    allahu akbar wrote:

    None of this means anything. Just bored, mid tiered people jerking off publicly.

    No. My wife and I are Caltech alumni, so we get periodic email missives from the Institute.

    Caltech seems to be in for a pound in the diversity-inclusion-equity scam. For example, they recently hired a czar for DIE.

    A week or so ago, we got an email asking for comments on the building-renaming issue. I’m planning on writing back and shrilly demanding that, to make up for Caltech’s past sins, the Institute be renamed the “Floyd Institute of Technology,” in honor of course of St. George. And the House (Caltech’s name for dorms) I lived in, Blacker House, should be renamed the “Black Lives Matter House.”

    And most importantly, given how few blacks have attended Caltech in the last 130 years, the Institute should admit only Black students for as long as needed to rectify the ratio of white to Black graduates over the history of the Institute.

    Caltech is gone. This has been coming for years: I could go on and on about it. When I was there (early ’70s), the stars in the physics department were Feynman and Gell-Mann. Now, one of the prominent professors in the physics department is an acquaintance of mine who is a very, very nice guy but who should not have been granted an undergrad degree in physics. (I hope everyone will forgive me for not giving his name — I have enough problems!)

    Anyone who thinks this can be “compartmentalized” into just renaming of buildings needs to look at the University of California: Read this essay by the courageous Abigail Thompson, chair of the math department at the University of California at Davis. I know a woman who recently applied for a faculty position at Davis: what Thompson relates is accurate.

    Anyone who thinks Caltech is far behind the University of California is naive.

    Our institutions want to commit suicide? Let’s encourage them to do it as fast as possible, so the the Terror can end soonest and be succeeded by a Thermidorian Reaction in which we can try to reconstitute a society.

    I’ve been saying for some time that we need to shut down all of the country’s universities, raze them to the ground, and sow the ground with salt. Their business models make no sense given modern technology, and they exist only to pad the pockets of their faculty and administrators, propagandize ambitious and intelligent young people, and generate, in Peter Turchin’s words, an “overproduction of elites” that is destroying our society.

    I don’t agree with Turchin on everything, but I am afraid he is right that the 2020s in America are not going to be fun. No matter who wins on November 3, the Left will not give up. And there are structural problems — ranging from monetary and financial instability to state and federal fiscal collapse to Sailer’s favorite theme of affordable family formation — that Trump is just as clueless on as the Left and Conservatism Inc.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  50. Cal Tech needs to tell her to prove that her parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents were morally perfect or shut the hell up. Can she live up to the standard she asks her school to live up to?

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  51. Dutch Boy says:
    @Whiskey

    Most black people have no such interests. It is Jews who have such interests.

    • Agree: utu
  52. But human civilization has existed for millenniums,

    Where do these goddamn illiterates come from, and who proofreads their stuff?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  53. @Carbon blob

    At what point will Asian parents say “This is library!” and demand an end to the stupidity? Or will they just go with the flow and figure out new ways to dominate any future system?

    • Replies: @Guest007
  54. @ben tillman

    Cal Tech needs to tell her to prove that her parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents were morally perfect or shut the hell up. Can she live up to the standard she asks her school to live up to?

    Her parents don’t have buildings named after them. And the dominant moral system under which her ancestors would be judged, says that blacks are morally superior to whites.

    You don’t understand what is being debated or the terms of the debate.

    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
  55. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Quite a difference from today. Now it is universally assumed that the boss has automatic right to take full credit. I can assure you that since the time Jennifer Doudna first heard of Cas9 to the time she won the Nobel, she has not personally executed, or even planned in all sound details, even a single experiment. (She was already Howard Hughes Investigator in pre-CRISPR times, running a large lab and managing millions of $$$ annually).

    • Agree: Black-hole creator
  56. Well let’s see now….back around 9-11 right wingers especially white cracka deplorables who loved war and killing Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq just because also hated left wingers who opposed war and all these killings and Abu Ghraib torture all these whites craved just because they were “patriots” and the left was then a pack of deplorable “traitors”. So now the left hates right wingers especially white cracka deplorables just because after all they’re white and deplorable for not bowing to communism and black supremacists just because, you know, Kharma is such a bee-otch and haters for no reason get hated back, right?

    So guess what? Scientists who hate God just because after all God “doesn’t exist” and the atheist scientists who created evolution out of nothing but Darwin’s “knowledge” that turtles and finches “evolved” over several HMS Beagle voyages meaning he knows better than God (gee you’d think they were Talmudic sages “winning” a debate over God!) just to “prove” God doesn’t exist are now having Kharma handed to them on a silver platter by the Woke religion of St. George Floyd and the female counterpart Breonna Taylor and the rest of the litany payed for by His Wokiness George Soros and Her Wokiness Kamala Harris.

    Thus, what goes around comes around. But don’t worry scientists, in 100 years Woke Science will go the way of Geocentrism and Flat Earth crapola….Bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha!

    • LOL: Sya Beerens
  57. @Guy De Champlagne

    “You’re impotently whining about some principle that exists in your head (and the heads of your fellow losers) and that you expect other people to follow (for no rational reason).”

    Principles? Man, you have bats in your belfry! — Max Stirner

  58. @Whiskey

    Whiskey wrote:

    The bottom line is the civic nationalism “equality” fantasy of people like Steve has not worked. It has never worked. In 70 years it has not worked. It cannot work.

    Races in close proximity to each other cannot be equal. One must dominate the other and that has been, since the 1940s, black people dominating and controlling and making themselves the masters of White people.

    That is not what is going on here!

    Sarah Sam — sound like an African-American name to you?

    Look at her — what fraction of her ancestors do you think were slaves in the USA?

    This is a war by the dominant faction of the white ruling elite, the parasitic verbalist overclass, against the productive members of American society.

    They are using Black folks as pawns.

    Way back in the Progressive Era, a bunch of whites secularized the religious impulses they inherited from their Puritan ancestors and decided to save all us deplorables from ourselves (see Rothbard’s posthumous book The Progressive Era).

    There have been lots of twists and turns in their ideology — once they were eugenicists (!) and prohibitionists and addvocates of laws to protect the fragility of women; now they are (pretend) multi-culti and legalizers of pot and deniers that there is such a thing as a biological woman.

    But there is a reason they still use the term “Progressive”: the common thread remains — they want power to remake human society and human nature according to their own latest fancy, whatever it may be.

    We have faced this diseased and evil mentality for over a hundred years. Either we defeat it or our country will die.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  59. @Guy De Champlagne

    ” I agree that blacks in any of these places aren’t creating the wealth and wellbeing for themselves. ”

    So, none then.Why not save the effort and just cite Wakanda?

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  60. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “own your correlates” was the clue. I can just see it in his Big Chief tablet.

  61. Anon55uu says:

    At least some of David Starr Jordan’s eugenics related works were published by the American Unitarian Association, so they have moved from “The Blood of the Nation” to White Fragility” in 120 years.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  62. Anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Exactly. Physics and engineering are not any longer even dominating sectors at Caltech. In accordance with availability of grant money, much of Caltech is now populated by a large crowd of rather very unimpressive biomedical types.

  63. @Muggles

    If Eugenics is evil, then Dysgenics must be good. Who were the great Dysgenecists of history?

    On the other hand, what if the Eugenecists weren’t wrong about everything:

    of 1,299 graduate students only 11 were black, the organization stated.

  64. ‘‘To what extent is eugenics wrong/racist?’” — a question that one would think had long been settled by the eugenics movement’s role in racial policies of the Nazi regime in Germany. …’

    To what extent is cigarette smoking bad or foolish? One would think that question had long been settled by the anti-tobacco policies of the Nazi regime in Germany.

  65. @Guy De Champlagne

    ‘…The most functional large black city in the US is generally considered to be Atlanta…’

    I don’t think that helps your case. It’s also not very convincing that your national examples are all small island chains with large non-black additions to the gene pool.

    How about — say — the Congo? Or Upper Volta? Or — for that matter — most black communities world-wide? Can you name any other group that displays such an unrelenting vista of poverty, human degradation, and absolutely no progress or reason to think there ever will be any?

    • Replies: @black sea
  66. @MLK

    Remember “People who can’t do, teach?”

    David Patterson, the celebrated computer scientist, noted in a recent interview that in his experience at Berkeley, the professors who had the best teacher ratings were concurrently also the most accomplished researchers (Patterson himself won several awards for teaching, as did many of his most accomplished colleagues).

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  67. @CCZ

    ‘…As NASA grapples with a past that is mired in racism and sexism and a future that is fraught with the continuation of colonialism, taking small steps to change the loaded names that give identities to its missions seems a simple fix. Because if we can’t get rid of Nazis on the internet, or from our schools, or from our own field, we should at least remove them from our space program.’

    Ironically, Stalin actually tried something similar. Einstein’s formulae were dismissed as ‘capitalist physics.’

    They had to drop that line when Hiroshima went ‘boom.’

    But hey; let’s get Nazi ideas out of our space program.

  68. So the girl in the story is basically the Indian and/or MENA version of Shaun King.

    Pretending to be black is quickly becoming extremely lucrative business in America. The payoffs to pretending to be native American, by contrast, appears to be tapering. Did it peak with Elizabeth Warren?

    • Agree: black sea
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  69. Lloyd1927 says:

    Re: People like Sarah Sam claiming to be “blacks”

    You should realize that the “strategy” of the black (and mulatto) elite to “prove” the equality of “the race” is to have white and Asian DNA do all the work while black DNA takes all the credit.

  70. I’d bet my left nut that the black girl is damned lucky to even be a student there, and that she took the place of a deserving white male.

    This world is drowning in lies. Five minutes ago I was at a music forum where one woke woman and a bunch of pathetic simps attending to her were all pretending that there were female composers that are on a par with Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, et al. Turns out, the reason they’re not part of the standard repertoire is, you guessed it, men.

  71. This is how the Great University commits seppuku, eviscerating itself in the mistaken belief that Woke is Noble, and on the right side of history. The Great Universities have betrayed their founding one by one. They have betrayed their very purpose of being. Perhaps they deserve to die, now that they have chased false gods. Sadly, our Nation is found the same.

  72. @Guy De Champlagne

    Agreed. Like in 99% of societies, there is only one outcome: slaves or slave-owners. Which ones will your descendants be?

    • Disagree: Guy De Champlagne
    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  73. Dube says:
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    …triumph of the most powerful, which is a pretty good short definition of fascism.

    Mussolini called it a “merger of the corporations with the state,” which, though not as short, is only two words longer.

  74. Mr. Anon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Caltech is gone. This has been coming for years: I could go on and on about it. When I was there (early ’70s), the stars in the physics department were Feynman and Gell-Mann. Now, one of the prominent professors in the physics department is an acquaintance of mine who is a very, very nice guy but who should not have been granted an undergrad degree in physics.

    Wow! That’s a pretty damning statement. Is Caltech really that far gone?

    I’ve always read your posts and found you to be an interesting commenter, PD. Your posts were always sober, measured, and well thought out. And they still are, but I seem to have detected a certain – radicalization – in your opinions of late. You don’t seem too sanguine about the future of this country.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  75. @Guy De Champlagne

    Plenty of black run cities in the US also have very high standards of living by global standards.

    Were those goalposts heavy?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  76. @Anon55uu

    David Starr Jordan, early president of Stanford, made a famous eugenic argument against war: he argued that a war would kill off your best men, the brave self-sacrificing men who lead the charges, leaving behind the malingerers and draft dodgers.

    Of course, we all know now that was just pseudo-science.

  77. Mr. Anon says:

    Read this essay by the courageous Abigail Thompson, chair of the math department at the University of California at Davis. I know a woman who recently applied for a faculty position at Davis: what Thompson relates is accurate.

    I’m glad she wrote that. At least some mathematicians are holding the line. You’d never see a statement like that in Physics Today. The APS has seemingly been taken over by diversity commissars.

    What she says about the required “diversity” loyalty oath was true as far back as 2000, at least in parts of the California State College system.

  78. @Guy De Champlagne

    Fascism, Guy? What the hell you talking about? Mussolini (who some would recognize as the archetype of fascism) defined his political philosophy as the amalgamation of corporate and state power. Sound familiar? People like little Georgie of the $orrow$ have spent millions upon millions ,granted them by insider info from the Rothschild Crime Family; work diligently through color revolutions and support for organizations like BLM and Antifa.

    They work in close cooperation with CIA fronts like the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Brothers Foundation on behalf of the plutocratic oligarchy which has surpassed mere fascism (as per its founder Benito Mussolini) to create a universal form of Neo-serfdom under the total social, cultural and political control of highest finance capitalism.

    Reverse racism, which is the leitmotif of BLM, is nothing more than Julius Caesar’s old dictum of “Divide et imperum”, divide and conquer. As long as the American people remain divided by race and by the pseudo=philosophy of “wokeness”, this strategy of those sons of riches will continue to grind down the common weal and deliver this once hopeful nation into a shattered semblance of its original republican ideals and democratic values.

    • Agree: Jim Christian, annamaria
  79. @Dave from Oz

    The plural of museum is musea OR museums. Similarly, the plural of millennium is millennia OR millenniums.

  80. It would be nice if she reminded everyone what is wrong with eugenics?

  81. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    I am sorry to tell you Mr. Sailer that my envious cousin Sam has resorted to hacking Autofills and Spellchecks again.

    Frank G

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  82. Moses says:

    It’s all so tiresome.

    Washington, Jefferson are next. Slave owners and all that.

    They will not stop, ever. Their ideology crashes down if they run out of witches to burn.

    They will never run out.

  83. Escher says:
    @Muggles

    Then you’re just implicating them in your mythology.

    I thought they were flabbergasting the implification of quantumness.

    • Thanks: Muggles
  84. J.Ross says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    >by global standards

    stand by … dot matrix printer … manifesting a smiling norm macdonald image … one line … at a time …

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
  85. If you admire Samuel Galton for inventing the silent dog whistle

    I admire Francis.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  86. Dumbo says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Yeah, that was a quip by Shaw that was funny, but not really truthful. At least, not in all cases.

  87. black sea says:
    @Muggles

    She’s living proof that you can excel in science even with a low Verbal IQ.

  88. @DextersLabRat

    White christian americans are perfectly capable of thriving without enslaving anyone (in any sense of the term). And if they ever reach a state where that’s no longer the case they deserve to be replaced.

  89. syonredux says:
    @Steve Sailer

    A running theme in Faulkner’s work is that the Civil War killed off the best men in the South, and that that was why Faulkner’s fictional Yoknapatawpha County (itself a kind of quasi- metonym for the South as a whole) was overrun by the loathsome and degenerate Snopes clan.

  90. Dumbo says:

    I don’t think this idea of “compartmentalization” is right, nor that is the explanation for the rise of modern science. People can think on more than one subject. Especially geniuses. Pascal was both a genius mathematician and a great religious thinker. Does it mean he was a “compartmentalizer”? That he saw no relation between one thing and another? I don’t think so. Genius are famous for having interests in many areas. Da Vinci and Newton too.

    The problem now with science has nothing to do with science or religion, but is probably more a question of funding – there’s more funding for “woke” studies, for “diverse” scientists, etc, because there is a push for that by the elites.

    Also with the fact that a most people have a wrong, romantic view of “Science!” but in fact know very little about it, so their decrying of people as James Watson, etc, as being “racist” or whatever, is mostly due to the fact that they are ignorant and actually have no idea about what they studied. They are just brainwashed fools.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  91. @Bard of Bumperstickers

    That’s an expensive fifteen minutes of fame, “black” girl.

    Probably not. She seems to have ridden that 0.01% of her “minority” genetic “enslavement” pretty successfully, so far.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  92. @syonredux

    The Second World War happened because all the men both principled and capable enough to stop it (on all sides) had been killed in the First World War. Also because, regrettably, Winston Churchill managed to not get killed in the Great War.

    The Pacific War, OTOH, was caused by a combination of American diplomatic idiocy and the stupidity of the Port Arthur Accords following the 1905 Russo-Japanese War. It would have been very hard to stop, because Westerners simply could not comprehend the Meiji juggernaut.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  93. anon[616] • Disclaimer says:

    Science has gotten itself in an uncomfortable position.

    But fortunately, the prestige of science is based on its application via technology. Technological development always has been and will continue to thrive independently of US Universities, who are tasked with explaining the poor performance of people of color. Which can’t be done without pointing out the unspeakable but obvious truth that as a group, they simply aren’t up to it.

    The ideology of the academy is irrelevant to technology. So POC can wreck havoc on academy administrators, and it won’t mean much.

    OK,,,I realize this is an extreme and fairly unpopular view. But what exactly makes science important? Because it is true or because it works? To the extent it is the latter, woke science is absurd.

    Did Sarah Sam even have an opinion on Millikin’s oil drop experiment? Of course not. They can rename until hell freezes over, but that won’t create Black Physicists. And everyone knows.

  94. @J.Ross

    A GDP per capita of 56,840 for the metropolitan area puts Atlanta easily in the top 20 globally among nations. Possibly top 10 depending on what standards you use.

    I probably agree with you broadly, just not the stupid reasoning you use to get there.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  95. Anonymous[655] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Milton’s Ghost

    She looks South Indian to me, also.

    You may be right. She may be “black” in the way Kamala Harris is black. At most.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Ray P
    , @nsa
    , @annamaria
  96. @Guy De Champlagne

    @Guy
    “You can’t even come up with a system that actually favors white christian males and just gets you more “principled” forms of domination and exploitation.”
    What for? To try to favor guys hanging on to stupid anti-nature concepts found in this semitic religion is a waste of time. Tell a man his self worth and at the same time insist that he ‘turns the other cheek’, and that his ‘lord’ believes in things like the letter to the Galatians 3,28.
    What you get at best is a psychotic who for some reason fights for his worth, but he doesn’t entirely know why.
    “White christian men have to start by going…” – back to their ancestral roots, which means removing himself from the semitic religious vice. Learn your Iliad and your Beowulf and unlearn the Torah.

    On bad days I sometimes believe we are too late anyway.

  97. Sean says:

    “The purpose of science is to develop, without prejudice or preconception of any kind, a knowledge of the facts, the laws, and the processes of nature. The even more important task of religion, on the other hand, is to develop the consciences, the ideals, and the aspirations of mankind.”
    — Robert Andrews Millikan
    In Bulletin of the American Association of University Professors (May 1923)

    Brendan Simms is very good on the underappreciated nation state constraining context of the Treaty of Westphalia, and how it limited sovereignty. Ordinary whites represent a potentially formidable correlation of forces against the Establishment, Trump has shown signs of coalescing the power of whites into what would be an unbeatable alliance. Wokeness’s war on Rednecks, which is the more educated sectors (most with a degree voted against Trump) against the poor of their own race, is like the powers of Europe who were all terrified that the Reformation/ Counter reformation would lead a rival to control the massive resources of the divided-into-principalities German nation. Simms says Treaty of Westphalia was a recognition agreement that in the interests of stability, the princely states of Germany must accept limitations and being beholden to the countries outside Germany. Wokeness is akin to eugenics, inasmuch the focus of eugenics was a view of poverty prone whites as the main problem.

    Possibly because he was a physicist rather that an anthropologist, Millikan was not a mainstream eugenicist in his Darwinism or concern about blacks out reproducing whites. The leading anthropologists like Aleš Hrdlička and Ernest Hooton were Lamarckians who believed the poor Old American whites (‘Rednecks’) had shown themselves degenerate by failing to improve over many generations in the favourable environment for evolution provided as a birthright to all born in America as white. By failing to attain the level of WASPs, the (nordic) Appalachian and suchlike populations were seen as beyond help, and thus requiring constraints on their reproduction.

    Blacks were thought by the authorities on eugenics to be susceptible to improvement, but never had been given a fair chance because their environment in America had been unfavourable and still was Accordingly, Blacks could be dealt with by integration. The Jews were a problem because in the same way that a giraffe got a longer neck in Lamarckian thinking, the prejudice against Jews kept them in a niche that forced them to keep getting craftier.

    https://www.unz.com/print/Colliers-1939may06-00012/

    Why the Jew Grows Stronger
    A famous Anthropologist’s views on Anti-Semitism
    by Earnest Albert Hooton Collier’s Weekly, May 6, 1939, pp. 12-13

    All whites had to do to eliminate the Jewish problem was stop being so suspicious of them. Hmmm.

    • Thanks: utu
  98. Mr. Anon says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Were those goalposts heavy?

    Well posted, Sir!

  99. @Intelligent Dasein

    In this case (perhaps in most) “race” is used as a foil to disguise the Catholicism underlying opposition to the concept and implementation of eugenic policies. I find eugenics to be the easiest political argument to win because it is such a common sense position requiring none of the supporting facts and data often necessary to disabuse sensible people of insensible ideas.

    I find that the same people who oppose birth control as a condition of public largesse also oppose common sense eugenics policies and for the same reason.

    In any case, I strongly agree with you that we should be citing the multitudinous greats whose genius underlies our world of coddled softness in support of those same positions for which the lunatic left condemns them today. Who among the proponents of Critical Race Theory compares favorably to (just picking one at random) Shockley? Let’s have the damn debate!

    • Agree: lavoisier
  100. Vojkan says:
    @PhysicistDave

    This is a war by the dominant faction of the white ruling elite, the parasitic verbalist overclass, against the productive members of American society.

    Replace “American” by any other Western nation and it still works. “Parasitic verbalist overclass” is a stylish euphemism btw.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave, Gordo, Lace
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
  101. Mr. Anon says:
    @syonredux

    A running theme in Faulkner’s work is that the Civil War killed off the best men in the South, and that that was why Faulkner’s fictional Yoknapatawpha County (itself a kind of quasi- metonym for the South as a whole) was overrun by the loathsome and degenerate Snopes clan.

    At least those loathsome and degenerate Snopes people have been able to eke out a living as fact-checkers.

    • LOL: kaganovitch
  102. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Language Nazi Has Risen From the Tomb!

    Language Nazi decrees:

    The plural of museum is museums, NOT musea, and the plural of millennium is millennia, NOT millenniums. The reason has nothing to do, sadly, with correct usage in Latin; it is a cultural issue in English, which has been decided by a general consensus of taste, not rationality. To wit:

    “Musea” makes you sound like a twit, and “millenniums” makes you sound like a poorly-read rube.

    These are aesthetic and class considerations; much in English is not logical, but still, there you are.

    This edict is binding and irreversible.

    Language Nazi has spoken.

  103. @Thulean Friend

    Pretending to be black is quickly becoming extremely lucrative business in America. The payoffs to pretending to be native American, by contrast, appears to be tapering.

    There aren’t any big quotas for American aborigines like there are for negroes. An intelligent negro is today worth more than ever. And if you throw enough money at the search for the magical negro, you’ll turn up everyone with an IQ over 115 who likes fried chicken.

  104. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The plural of Holocaust museum is nausea.

    It is time we grammar Nazis bring back in English not only Latin plurals but cases as well : we should no longer write his agenda being hidden we mistook him for a BLM but his agendis being hidden… We should no longer write the city Museums’ opening hours but the city Museorum opening hours.

    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  105. @anon

    From Terman’s Termites to Trofim’s Tantrumists…

  106. @Vojkan

    Vojkan wrote to me:

    “Parasitic verbalist overclass” is a stylish euphemism btw.

    Thanks. I stole the term “overclass” from Michael Lind’s current book The New Class War: Saving Democracy from the Managerial Elite, which I recommend highly, even though I disagree with his policy prescriptions.

    The two adjectives, alas, seem to fit: part of my point is that many STEM people are not part of the overclass (i.e., not “verbalists”).

    I also highly recommend Joel Kotkin’s current book The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class . Kotkin’s book is a bit less analytical and historical than Lind’s, though Kotkin’s policy views are probably a bit closer to my own. Kotkin’s book is also more readable, and it is extensively documented (no need to read his endnotes, but if you are skeptical of his claims, all the references are there).

  107. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “…Language Nazi decrees:

    The plural of museum is museums, NOT musea, and the plural of millennium is millennia, NOT millenniums. The reason has nothing to do, sadly, with correct usage in Latin; it is a cultural issue in English, which has been decided by a general consensus of taste, not rationality…”

    I didn’t say “museums NOT musea, millenniums NOT millennia“. I said: “musea OR museums, millennia OR milleniums“. Both forms are grammatically correct, whether one choses the Latin form out of snobism or not.

    • Replies: @Gordo
    , @znon
  108. @Muggles

    “But you can’t teach students that people are worthy of respect when they’re not. Then you’re just implicating them in your mythology.”

    Sounds like a good argument against admitting under-qualified students due to racial preferences. Their peers will notice their deficiencies and not really respect them, then have to make ideological acrobatics to accommodate this observation of noticible differences. They will be implicated in the woke mythology of badism everywhere.

  109. @Guy De Champlagne

    Atlanta is only for 54% Black. It would be interesting to know what the GDP of Blacks only is.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  110. Mr. Blank says:

    I read a history of the Thirty Years’ War a few years ago, and it was one of the most depressing things I have ever read. I spent like a month afterward in a black funk.

    I shudder at the thought of that coming back.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    , @Jim Don Bob
  111. @Guy De Champlagne

    GDC,

    You are hoisting yourself on your own petard. You are conflating “… black majority countries generally considered to have the highest standard of living …” (i.e. the highest standard of living with respect to other black majority countries) with “… examples of well-run black majority cities, states, and countries.” (i.e. well-run with respect to ALL countries — not just with respect to other BLACK majority countries.)

    And, you don’t even realize it. But, I guess that’s the crux of the entire article.

  112. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    And it only goes one way. A black luminary’s flaws cannot be mentioned.

    Also, why wasn’t Sarah Sam silenced? How was she allowed to speak? The Silencing Black Women Enforcement Squad is letting things slip.

  113. @Steve Sailer

    And while your focus is here Steve can I draw your attention to the book by Harvard’s Joseph Henrich (and perhaps also the work of Benjamin Enke) reviewed here:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/joseph-henrich-weird-people/615496/

    of which a Sailer review is needed.

    I have said a little more in an email.

  114. Ray P says:
    @Mr. Anon

    There are such things as stupid questions, and the people who ask them deserve to be told so to their fat, stupid faces.

    Drs. Sheldon Cooper and Amy Farrah Fowler, Caltech

  115. But now we have a rising new religion, Wokeness, that tolerates no dissent.

    One could indeed compare it to a religion that controlled much of people’s lives such as Christianity in the Middle Ages, and Islam, sometimes Judaism today.

    However, describing Wokeness as a religion would not cause cause many people to be alarmed today. After all, with the Jehovah’s Witnesses religion, for example, the nicely dressed older black ladies will still be nice even after 25 times trying to get you to join. (That’s personal experience from a family who would never think of ever asking them to GTFOTP – “OTP” = Off The Porch.) Compartmentalism aside, none of the religions in America ever demanded that one join or there’d be trouble.

    Wokeness is more like a huge powerful cult. The big weird cults of yesteryear have given way to these cult with a political bent. The Global Climate Disruption(TM) crowd loosely formed a few decades back, and there is this Kung Flu Panic Crowd. They also demand you join up, rather than nicely dropping more literature on your porch.

    The Wokeness Cult may not be bigger but is much more powerful than what we’ve ever seen before. They have white guilt as one of their biggest weapons. Another is their control of Academia, the Lyin’ Press, and other institutions. This cult is heavily armed by all that and out of control. Where is our Janet Reno? (Sorry, bad joke for a lot of reasons!)

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  116. Ray P says:
    @Anonymous

    Raj: I just needed to be someplace where I’d feel welcome.
    Howard: Now, more than ever, India.

    The One where Raj stays with Leonard & Penny and ends up in Howard & Bernadette’s bedroom,The Big Bang Theory

  117. black sea says:
    @Colin Wright

    The city of Atlanta, which constitutes maybe 10% of the metropolitan population, is about 52% Black. The metro area is about 32% Black.

    I guess his claim depends in part on how Black a city has to be in order to be considered “Black.”

  118. Miro23 says:
    @PhysicistDave

    Thanks for the Abigail Thompson link:

    https://www.ams.org/journals/notices/201911/rnoti-p1778.pdf

    The diversity “score” is becoming central in the hiring process. Hiring committees are being urged to start the review process by using officially provided rubrics to score the required diversity statements and to eliminate ap-plicants who don’t achieve a scoring cut-off.

    Why is it a political test? Politics are a reflection of how you believe society should be organized. Classical liberals aspire to treat every person as a unique individual, not as a representative of their gender or their ethnic group. The sample rubric dictates that in order to get a high diversity score, a candidate must have actively engaged in promoting different identity groups as part of their professional life. The candidate should demonstrate “clear knowledge of, experience with, and interest in dimensions of diversity that result from different identities” and describe “multiple activities in depth.” Requiring candidates to believe that people should be treated differently according to their identity is indeed a political test.

  119. You can always count on the Unitarian Universalists to have your back when you get into a jam and need a friend.

    Yes, I have some experience with the Unitarians. The UU is pretty far gone and nothing like the sect out of Boston in the old days. I discussed them 3 years back, specifically regarding their long flying BLM flag in “Unitarian Stupidity – it’s how they roll at the UU.”.

    Unitarians are some of the nicest people, and most are very intelligent too. (In fact, of the ones that I know, some attend specifically to talk to other intelligent people in the coffee hour.) How they be so damn misguided, I just don’t know. In a “religion” whose only belief has been that “there is one God at most”, these people have finally found their true religion in the Cult of Wokeness. They can be fanatical about that, and are.

    .

    PS: In one of your excerpts, there should be 2 sets of nested quote marks. Easier to show you:

    Some would ask, “Are we going to rename a building every time we disagree with their politics?” she says.

    Unless I’m getting that wrong, it should be:

    “Some would ask, ‘Are we going to rename a building every time we disagree with their politics?’” she says.

    Not your mistake, I think.

    PPS: Thank you very much for switching me to being an instant-commenter or whatever the term would be! I will try not to go even crazier with the commenting due to this.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  120. @Guy De Champlagne

    Guy, have you been there at all? I am very familiar. No, Atlanta does not help you make your case, as others have written.

    You could go as far as to order a Paul Kersey book about it or read some of his old posts. He did clue me in to the whole concept of how the exurbs were formed due to continuous white flight. Do you know how many counties Atlanta sprawls over? It’s not because these people like driving so much. (Sorry, Guy, you may get all that, but it doesn’t sound like it.)

    • Agree: Adam Smith
  121. @PhysicistDave

    For some odd reason, super woke Barnes and Noble doesn’t push Mr. Kotkin’s book.

  122. Guest007 says:
    @PiltdownMan

    The real question for TJ High School is whether the school will lower the standards to make up for have more students who should not be there or will the high tolerate a much higher rate of students transferring back to their zoned high schools.

    By the way, Sarah Sam is a TJ graduate but attended Virginia Tech. They either put her at the bottom of TJ students or someone who had a full scholarship that her parents thought was more important than undergraduate prestige. Seeing that she was admitted to Cal Tech for graduate school, maybe the argument that undergraduate does not matter as much as some people believe. .

    • Replies: @res
  123. El Dato says:
    @Dumbo

    Barbarians at the gates, nay, really inside the gates.

    Indistinguishable from national-socialist zealots (and that’s no hyperbole, and I don’t mean “fascists” which were still somewhat reasonable in domains not having to do directly with state regimentation and suppressing communists).

    Famously, Hilbert lamented the destruction of the mathematics department of Göttingen. But seen differently, activists and the academic leadership then in the seat just wanted to purify it and make it “better” – a completely morally correct little fix.

    Then and now, there are brown cows with leather straps prowling around.

    Sam announced her resignation on Sept. 28 with a broadside in which she asserted that “the membership of this committee neither has the background nor is willing to address institutional racism at Caltech.”

    “But I do”

  124. @nebulafox

    I’m already convinced that our grandchildren are going to look upon the people who try to break up parental bonds in order to force “gender-fluidity” on 7 years olds as our own analogue to the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.

    Based on what?

    Everything going on in the Great Awokening and Western society makes it very clear that the ratchet only turns Left.

    • Replies: @CCZ
  125. The problem of the relations of our race to the Asiatic races is the big race problem of the future.

    He wasn’t wrong … just early.

    In a 1951 letter written during a visit to Mississippi, he told his wife, Greta: “More than half of the population in this state is made up of negroes — a very serious situation. For it means that under universal suffrage they could control the state now — an unthinkable disaster in view of the sort of people they now are.” …

    And that was when they were comparatively well behaved.

    Yes, we need to exhume this guy and lynch him.

  126. @Mr. Blank

    I suggest a history of the Crusades to lighten the mood.

    • Replies: @dearieme
  127. Gordo says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Plenty of black run cities in the US also have very high standards of living by global standards.

    You’re not helping your argument.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  128. Gordo says:
    @CCZ

    NASA has a history with Nazis — a history that ties our space program inextricably with white supremacy. Though it has since shed the practice of hiring Nazis,

    Well they’d be a bit old now TBH. What a grasp of history for classics ‘scholars’.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  129. @Achmed E. Newman

    Wokeness is more like a huge powerful cult.

    A religion, then.

    Where is our Janet Reno?

    Those personalities are all on the Woke side.

  130. Gordo says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Millennia is okay, or if you don’t like that faggot commie Latin stuff just say ‘thousands of years’.

    • LOL: Jim Bob Lassiter
  131. @nebulafox

    It’s a fascinating theory, but I’m unconvinced.

    Yeah, I too don’t think “compartmentalization” is the real explanation for Western science. One could start rather with the Christian—and Hellene pagan—belief in an ordered universe discernible to reason.

    But that is all no matter now. As some commenters have been bluntly saying, this isn’t really about some subtle misunderstanding of epistemology. This is just straight up ethnic conflict with a token window dressing of “science”. And we all know the players and strategies.

    Steve is doing his yeoman’s labor of trying to save the Left from itself. I am sympathetic, but decreasingly see the point in this. Getting us back up to the early part of the slippery slope will not prevent us plummeting back down to where we are now with even greater velocity.

    The poison pill of Equalist Absolutism will kill everything that swallowed it. This is clear now, so rather than trying to revive those who foolishly ingested known poison, we should be looking to survive the Equalist Collapse and build the post-Equalist future.

    • Agree: Hugo Silva
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  132. @Francis Miville

    “The plural of Holocaust museum is nausea.”

    FM,

    Dude, THAT is TWO funny!

  133. SS has packed too much in the article: the beginning of modern science, woke ideology & the story about some completely bonkers black student at Caltech.

    By the way: Black Scientists and Engineers of Caltech. Why does this thing exist at all?

  134. Modern Science Didn’t Appear Until the 17th Century. What Took So Long?

    Albert Einstein had an opinion on the matter.

    “Development of Western science is based on two great achievements: the invention of the formal logical system (in Euclidean geometry) by the Greek philosophers, and the discovery of the possibility to find out causal relationships by systematic experiment (during the Renaissance). In my opinion one has not to be astonished that the Chinese sages have not made those steps. The astonishing thing is that those discoveries were made at all.”

    http://www.autodidactproject.org/quote/einstn2.html

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  135. @ANON

    So you’re saying that tiny island nations which enjoyed a white-colonial structure are ‘relatively’ civilized in comparison with other BRCs?

    I said to look at this (very interesting and informative) ranking:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    Barbados is not at the top, but it’s leagues ahead of the mass of sub saharan africa and ahead of many european countries. The idea that all black majority countries and black run cities form a giant, transcontinental, indistinguishable shithole simply isn’t even remotely true.

  136. One of our most Progressive SCOTUS members was Oliver Wendell Homes, a scholar who was very big on freedom of expression and government regulation, which served FDR’s New Deal well. He was also in favor of Eugenics, as his Buck vs Bell ruling showed:
    “We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.
    Three generations of imbeciles are enough”. (His best known quote).

    Wonder how OWH will fare?

  137. GMC says:

    The next article after this one , should be of How all the science , that could benefit all of mankind, has been Highjacked, stolen, kept secret, corporatized, and only made available after the applied science { health, energy, biological etc. } has made billions of dollars – on what should have been made to the public, reasonably and compassionately. This, not only kept the ” Elitists” wealthy and powerful, but has kept the populace in a domb down state , without the opportunity to get to the next level of normal, moral intelligence. Bought off science and research destroys the planet, and it’s habitat. The article gets one thinking – about more than Decompartmentalization.

  138. The new Dark Ages are upon us. People like Sarah Sam are the Huns of the 21st Century. Chinese historians beginning mid-Century will shake their heads in wonder in how the West self-destructed.

    I remember a John Derbyshire coumn of years ago that pointed out that the human race has had little experience with scientists, but it has lived under priests and kings for millenia. Perhaps the natural order is reasserting itself.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman, JackOH
    • Disagree: Corvinus
  139. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:

    Universities and colleges that spend most of their money and time trying to please the non-white, adopt policies to show their wokeness, will be left in the dust by colleges and universities that don’t. The advanced countries that aren’t doing this are in central and east Europe and the Far East. The Far East has surpassed the US and Western Europe in so many areas its shocking, but not surprising. Those people who hate themselves and prostrate themselves before their enemies are defeated and are doomed. It was like this in the days of the Mongol armies and it’s just as true today.

  140. And where does real science start and pseudo science end? Many of the enlightenment scientist were basically alchemist and black magicians(and most all high level Freemasons). I say 90% or better of the “science” or science achievements are lies anyway. There is no better example than the handling of the supposed Covid19 pandemic. So called “science” is now the preferred vehicle used to drive up profits and insure political agenda’s will not be questioned. Hell, there are people out there who still believe men walked on the moon. So called “science” is just the new form of religion to keep us deplorable’s under control.

    Just a couple of many examples:

  141. “She says she is black.”

    Wait, you men the science behind the one drop rule is wrong . . .

    Of course she;s not black and duh. But that isn’t a mode of her making. That is the colonial rule to ensure that whites retained white blood. It has been standard understand to the founding of the colonies to this day. Which is of course part of the white gambit concerning color. Because the standard was skin color, thousands of blacks defied the one drop rule by simply calling themselves white, which is exactly what they were white.

    It’s a tad odd to whine about conditions the dominant society created and simply don’t make sense now and didn’t make sense when applied. Science don’t ya know.

    A lot of people are not the least bit fooled by the fist black president motif . . . In every way and in every breath the dominant society reveals it’s active animosity against blacks.

    ————————
    Science is a wonderful field, but it is far from the godsend, many would like it to be. In fact, its base is predicated on getting it wrong via testing before it gets it right.

    Of course most people think that same sex conduct is genetic, despite not an ounce of evidence, and worse, the evidence contradicts it — yet

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2001/oct/23/research.highereducation

    https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/20-of-the-greatest-blunders-in-science-in-the-last-20-years

    No offense to those of you still advocating phrenology.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  142. dearieme says:
    @Henry's Cat

    He could just restrict himself to the Albigensian crusade if European horrors are his thing. Or the French Revolutionary slaughters in the Vendée.

  143. Rich says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    “Pathetically weak”? Whites, and White males in particular still hold power in every Western nation. The candidate of the “woke” party is an old White male who was once against forced integration. CEOs, military leaders, senators and congressman are still Pale and mostly male. The faces of many of the rioters are as Pale as the faces of the people they hate. You’re stuck on media portrayals and television commercials. Tearing down a few statues in areas they completely control and that Whitey doesn’t want to visit, is called throwing a few crumbs to the dogs. The whole purpose of this replay of the 60s seems to me to be about keeping the populace divided and wages down. They’ve done a good job of it now, and have even got the majority to want more police protections after the recent “troubles”. The WASPs who still hold sway in the US, not the vast White populace but that small group of Bushes and their cousins, are doing fine, still running the show and their descendants will be in charge in a hundred years. Doesn’t mean they’re doing right by their more distant cousins and fellow Palefaces, but they are still “winning”.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  144. @Gordo

    Newark, NJ, feeds off of the suburbs.

  145. Kapyong says:
    @MLK

    Teachers have a long version like so :

    Those who can – do.
    Those who can’t – teach.
    Those who can’t teach – teach teachers.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  146. History is largely the tale of every new generation’s overreaction to the ideas of the previous generation. “Woke” has no legs and will not long endure. Universities and other organizations are making a good faith effort to conform, the same way they once excluded women and blacks when discrimination was fashionable. Ultimately the demands of their donors will prevail, and change, and change again.

    And it takes a while to assimilate the novel reality that so much of what our predecessors cherished – democracy, theism, capitalism, racism, sexism (and, alas, equality) – now fail to give us the stability they conferred on our parents and grandparents. Desperately clinging to decrepit ideologies is the mirror image of wokeness and only makes needful transition longer and more painful than it needs to be.

  147. @Guy De Champlagne

    Times are tough when Baltimore starts to look good.

  148. Chwe? What kind of American is that? America is full of a lot of non Americans and that is a bigger problem!

  149. @CCZ

    I agree. Let’s stop naming things after Greek gods like Atlas and Apollo, and adopt names like Odin, Voelva, Thor, Frigg, and the other personages of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_mythology

    • Replies: @Ancient Briton
  150. lavoisier says: • Website
    @PhysicistDave

    Excellent commentary.

    I agree with your response. Put an end to the charade of merely placating the ignorant and intolerant book burners and give them full control of the University and let them predictably run it all into the ground. Furthermore, give them full control of the power grid and watch as the lights go out everywhere and the food supply grinds to a halt.

    We have to acknowledge the Dark Ages are back again. Retreat, like the ancient Irish monks, to secluded and self-sufficient haunts and try to preserve rationality and civilization in the midst of the madness and ineptitude that will consume these evil and delusional fools.

  151. Patricus says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Can you name one or more of these “well run black majority cities”?

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  152. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Atlanta is only for 54% Black. It would be interesting to know what the GDP of Blacks only is.

    What is he isn’t mentioning is that a lot of major corporations (started by Whites) are based in Atlanta which will skew the GDP. The city is also surrounded by White burbs which helps stabilize the area.

    But I’m sure in 20 years it will be taught in school as the city that Blacks built.

  153. @PhysicistDave

    Anyone who thinks Caltech is far behind the University of California is naive.

    This is all coming from the top – the federal grants are contingent on Caltech’s adherence to the reigning dogmas. Caltech was probably one of the last research schools to fall in line and this latest scandal actually shows that some of its faculty members still have the mettle not to completely give in to the hysteria. Not sure that will last though.

  154. Realist says:
    @Bard of Bumperstickers

    That’s an expensive fifteen minutes of fame, “black” girl.

    Sarah Sam sure as hell appears middle eastern to me…or Indian.

  155. @PhysicistDave

    Michael Lind’s current book The New Class War: Saving Democracy from the Managerial Elite, which I recommend highly, even though I disagree with his policy prescriptions.

    I also highly recommend Joel Kotkin’s current book The Coming of Neo-Feudalism: A Warning to the Global Middle Class .

    Thanks for the recommendations. Lind seems to be a bit of a tool and his book is not that well-written according to some reviews. Kotkin’s book sounds interesting, but the Neo-Feudalism is here, has been here for a while already – all you have to do is to look at the ridiculous political dynasties in Washington.

  156. lavoisier says: • Website
    @utu

    This kind of thing happens far more often than realized.

    Furthermore, original scientific ideas are very, very rare birds, with most innovations relying heavily on the work that others have already done.

    Even the mythical Einstein borrowed (stole?) heavily from the work of other scientists in his papers on both special relativity and general relativity. And Pasteur apparently borrowed heavily from the work of others to develop the idea of vaccination.

    Virtually all science is the activity of a collective of brilliant minds relying on each other to discover that which is novel and important. A bit dishonest to single individuals out in the manner of the Nobel Prize. While recognizing key actors in a discovery, it invariably leaves out equally or even more deserving individuals.

    Scientific discovery should be seen more like the building of the atomic bomb or putting a man on the moon. The work of a strongly dedicated team of brilliant minds working together in pursuit of a common goal.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @utu
  157. @ANON

    As I have noted some time back, the black inhabitants and rulers of these aforementioned island nations know full well that the jig (pun intended) will be up if rampant TNB breaks out and crashes the wholly dependent on White tourism and off shore banking business that allows them to live with lots of bling.

  158. Realist says:
    @Steve Sailer

    David Starr Jordan, early president of Stanford, made a famous eugenic argument against war: he argued that a war would kill off your best men, the brave self-sacrificing men who lead the charges, leaving behind the malingerers and draft dodgers.

    …but the intelligent are not self-sacrificing fools who rush off to die in unnecessary wars to make the powerful, rich.

  159. @Cato

    Yes, agreed, Nazis ended the era of German universities uber alles, which lasted all through the 19th century.

    Self-righteousness aside, by 1900 the U.S. was already eclipsing West European countries in lots of endeavors because of sheer demographics and resources. The same thing is repeating today with the Chinese leviathan.

    Regardless the Federal Republic of Germany still stands out in science and technology as evidenced by Emmanuelle Charpentier who is affiliated with the Max Planck Unit for the Science of Pathogens.

    Germany’s BASF used to be the largest chemicals company in the world, as measured by sales, until it was dethroned by DowDuPont which was created after a merger.

  160. @Achmed E. Newman

    Or Guy could try a Jim Goad book. Mr. Goad lives in “The City Too Busy To Hate” (and I ain’t talkin’ ’bout no gated community either) and rubs elbows with its anointed creatures on a daily basis.

  161. @Guy De Champlagne

    Look at the UN HDI. The black majority countries generally considered to have the highest standard of living are Barbados and the Bahamas. Among sub saharan african countries it’s Seychelles.

    You can always play games about what it means to be “well run.”

    You are the one playing games here. You hand picked tiny tropical/offshore finance islands that are mixed race.

    The Bahamas are still part of the Commonwealth (British monarchy with local independence).

    The poorest country in the Western Hemisphere is Haiti and it is also the Blackest. They still have not managed Roman standards of sanitation. We don’t know how much plastic they are dumping into the ocean because our leaders don’t even like to talk about South Bantu much less report on it.

    • Replies: @Nico
  162. SIMP simp says:

    All eugenics advocacy was made by Persons of Leftness.

  163. Charles says:
    @MLK

    And those who can’t teach, teach gym, according to Alvy Singer.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  164. @Steve Sailer

    David Starr Jordan, early president of Stanford, made a famous eugenic argument against war: he argued that a war would kill off your best men, the brave self-sacrificing men who lead the charges, leaving behind the malingerers and draft dodgers.

    I think this explains a lot of why Germany is such a wuss country today that they elected Angela Merkel. 5 million high-T men died in WW2.

    • Replies: @anon
  165. @Mr. Blank

    What was the book? I’m feeling way too optimistic today.

  166. Anon[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Change that Matters

    Karen Harris?
    I think you mean Kamala Harris.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  167. To what extent is eugenics wrong/racist?

    This is a good question but to ask it is the same (she is so offended she must flee) as using the N word. The end result of this behavior is the N word comes back into common usage because why wouldn’t it there is now nothing stopping it.

    (I would not do this tomorrow or next week by the way but it sure seems like it’s coming.)

  168. @Almost Missouri

    The poison pill of Equalist Absolutism will kill everything that swallowed it.

    This is correct but they will come for us before that happens.

    At some point the left will conclude that only nihilistic tactics and censorship can save them. They simply cannot last when objective thinking is allowed on the internet.

    The left has successfully removed objective thinking in the colleges for anything related to race. But the internet remains able to reveal their billion dollar fake science schemes with a handful of articles.

    Eventually they will seek laws that go after people like Steve. They will probably have unintentionally ironic names like “Protection of True Science Act” as dissenters will be depicted as inciting violence through fake science.

    So there is an element of self-protection here along with a desire to preserve the only venue of free speech that remains.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  169. orionyx says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    And as an aside, there are well run black majority cities and countries so your science isn’t very good either.

    Citations please. Even 1 would be a surprise.

  170. nsa says:
    @Anonymous

    “She may be black in the same way Kamala is black”
    Wrong. SS is obviously more Hindu i.e. a Dindu Hindu, whereas KH looks to be more black i.e. a Hindu Dindu. Get up to speed on this stuff if you want to be a credible eugenicist.

    • LOL: Maowasayali
  171. @Intelligent Dasein

    Adults should work towards decompartmentalising their internal selves, meanwhile, societies should be happy to compartmentalise things.

    Individuals are not societies and conflating the two is a problem. Marxism would be a great story of development if it were about the individual. It is a hateful disaster when writ over society.

  172. orionyx says:

    I’m deeply puzzled – and concerned, too.
    It seems that everyone despises the application of eugenics, but only to the breeding of humans. The result is that we spend a ton of effort and money to the breeding of our pets, our farm animals and our plants, but none on that of our own children.
    It may just be that some time in the future, having relentlessly pursued a eugenic course for our dogs and a dysgenic course for our offspring, the latter will end up with the former in charge.

  173. CCZ says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    “Everything going on in the Great Awokening and Western society makes it very clear that the ratchet only turns Left.”

    As in the growing list of LGBTQ++ celebratory “days,” “months,” and “holidays”!

    So celebrate today as “National LGBTQ++ Coming Out Day” and mark your calendar for the other LGBTQ++ celebrations.

    National Coming Out Day
    On this October 11, National Coming Out Day will continue to raise awareness of individuals within the LGBTQ+ community, and champion the idea that homophobia thrives in silence. On this day, many people who identify as LGBTQ+ will “come out” (a term stemming from the phrase “come out of the closet”) to friends or family about their sexuality, which is a very big moment! Beyond this, the history of the LGBTQ+ movement is a beacon of light — its champions are honored, and it underlines the personal being political. It’s also a chance to celebrate the liberation spirit.

    Gay Pride MONTH
    Bill Clinton was the first US President to officially recognize Pride Month in 1999 and 2000. Then, from 2009 to 2016, Barack Obama declared June LGBT Pride Month.

    LGBTQ++ Day of Silence
    Created in 1996 and held the second Friday of every April, Day of Silence is a campaign that seeks to shed light on what many LGBTQ youth experience daily. Initially intended to focus on this problem within the school system, it has since expanded into workplaces, university campuses, and sporting events. Yearly, millions participate by staying silent for the duration of their day, representing the silencing of LGBTQ students.

    Transgender Day of Remembrance
    For generations, transgender people have suffered various forms of abuse (and even death) for challenging the views, notions, and stereotypes around “male” and “female” identity. Every year we set aside November 20 as a Transgender Day of Remembrance. This holiday is meant to honor, commemorate, and memorialize those who face discrimination and stigma (often on a daily basis) across the nation. This holiday is also meant to focus on the persistent struggles transgender people face in their everyday lives, and how others can share their love, support, and hope.

    https://nationaltoday.com/national-coming-out-day/

    No doubt more celebrations to come!

  174. @Steve Sailer

    Speaking of Stanford, I have wondered for a while how long will it continue to bear its namesake, a racist former governor of California who, among his crimes, endorsed and enforced the Chinese exclusion act.

    Any bets? Maybe we can start and online office pool here?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  175. Wally says:
    @Cato

    said:
    “The Nazis were very cruel eugenicists (they marched the inhabitants of the mental asylums outside and shot them):

    – Oh yawn, no they didn’t. That’s nonsense, pure propaganda.

    – The German T4 eugenics program addressed horrific suffering, was legal, publicly known, families were consulted, it was completely normal. That program was stopped by Hitler upon protests from German religious leaders who also denounced capital punishment for murderers.
    Euthanasia programs exist worldwide.

    recommended:
    Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program Compared to the “Holocaust”
    By John Wear: https://www.unz.com/article/evidence-for-the-german-euthanasia-program-compared-to-the-holocaust/?highlight=euthanasia
    and:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=T4&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    said:
    ” they believed Jews to be a superior people and wanted ethnic Germans to escape their domination. Richard Lynn writes about this in his book on Eugenics. One can hate Nazis, and hate racism, but still embrace eugenics (a race-neutral eugenics). ”

    – Right, a “superior people” with so many inherited diseases and whose IQ is exaggerated by them in the hopes of appearing “superior”.
    – Please give exact references & quotes from Lynn on what you claim.

    • Replies: @Cato
  176. @EliteCommInc.

    correction: Wait, you men the science behind the one drop rule is wrong . . .

    should read . . .,

    Wait, you mean the science behind the one drop rule is wrong . . .

  177. res says:
    @Guest007

    Seeing that she was admitted to Cal Tech for graduate school, maybe the argument that undergraduate does not matter as much as some people believe. .

    Not sure I would generalize that. I think the more applicable lesson is both black and “black” matter a great deal.

    • Agree: Black-hole creator
    • Replies: @Guest007
  178. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    So, did you have an argument or are you just going to fling around pathetic ad hominems?

    You know I’m right, but rather than stand up for a rather mild and sacrifice-free truth, you’d prefer to curry favor with the self-anal-fingering IYIs who infest this bullshit blog. You’ve had your reward; I hope it was worth it.

  179. Why isn’t Chwe going after Einstein, too? In Einstein’s travel diaries he writes of the Chinese like they’re a different (lower) species. Either Einstein is still too big a name to take down or not all religious and ethnic groups are as easily intimidated as the Unitarian Universalists and Chwe is smart enough to know this.

  180. Ray P says:
    @Charles

    The ones who couldn’t do anything ended up at his school.

  181. Ray P says:
    @Kapyong

    Those who can’t teach teachers run the Department of Education.

  182. Since acknowledging the existence of or a preference for certain genetic characteristics above others is irredeemably racist, i propose a that Caltech provide Sarah Sam–and all other woke students–with their sexual/matrimonial “partner” via a simple random match of with another student in the pool. And since gender is socially constructed and fluid no need to screen on gender either. A random match will do.

    I’m sure Sarah Sam will appreciate the anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-eugenicist result.

  183. Bill says:
    @Anonymous

    Clicked through and found good ole Scott explaining that the Democrats are the real racists, and unions are bad:

    Watch this. Fascinating context on teachers unions being the problem for Black and minority communities. https://t.co/tEjdeADQ8Q— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) October 11, 2020

  184. A Caltech sophmore was giving prospective parents a tour of the school. One father asked her “Are the stories we hear about homework at Caltech true?”. The girl paused a few seconds and then broke out crying.

    I told that story to a friend who graduated from Caltech and he laughed and nodded. After recoverering from drug addiction he left the life and a heart valve patent to work as a machinist and technician.

    It’s indecent to encourage kids to attend a school that does not suit them and will only raise their levels of rage before they have first experienced self-reflection.

  185. @CCZ

    As in the growing list of LGBTQ++ celebratory “days,” “months,” and “holidays”!

    One of the few positives from WuFlu was the near total shut down of pride month.

  186. Bill says:
    @Dave Bowman

    You know that’s a perfectly good English word, right? Which you can learn about by googling.

    It’s interesting to wonder whether Intelligent Dasein is using the word in its older sense (perhaps because he, like, reads books) or in its more contemporary meaning—as a portmanteau of illogic and stupidity—as documented in the urban dictionary. Or maybe he embraces both definitions.

  187. mirpaz says:

    There is nothing wrong about any of the discussion. Sam wake up! We are in a class war! All the heros with half brain agree to that! They included all people that work like hell so as the ones with money (mostly males from every ethnic back ground) are pilling up more and more money.
    Biko, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Malcolm X and many others were inclusive of every people of every skin colours that were/are exploited and killed and have their territory destroyed (like Indigenous people in Brasil, Bolivia, Peru, Canada, etc).

    Who cares about building’s name? Who cares about pushing the envelope of wokeness?
    We need honest labour opportunity, paid fairly, good education, health care for all, support for the elderly and a planet that is clean and not polluted so Exxon, Shell, BP etc can make trillions and the banksters in wall street can continue the financialization of the planet.

    We need to face the class war. Every other type of activism is just a pretense to show off.

    Sam needs to get out of the show business and enter the real scientific world of work hard and prove her worth.
    If she does not…what a waste of opportunity.

  188. @nebulafox

    Speaking of Westphalia, there they go again with the ridiculous historical fallacy that “nation-states” didn’t exist prior to 1648.

  189. @Achmed E. Newman

    The reason Atlanta sprawls over so many counties is because Georgia has smaller than average counties.

    Georgia has 159 counties, second only to Texas (254).

    The average land area of a county in Georgia is 362 square miles.
    The average land area of a county in Texas is 1,028 square miles.
    The average land area of a county in the U.S. is 1,091 Square miles.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_(United_States)

    The county in which I live covers 284 square miles.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  190. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hamlet's Ghost

    Stanford was named after the teenage son who died young, not the robber baron, and politician, father. And Jane Stanford is now considered a co-founder. Stanford will do just fine as far as the naming game goes.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @I Have Scinde
  191. “Those who can – do.
    Those who can’t – teach.
    Those who can’t teach – teach teachers.”

    Absolute cliche’ nonsense.

    but even taking the cliche’ on its face

    it falls apart on the test o teaching as a profession.

    And it further disintegrates when applied to plenty of people who teach and do at the same time.

  192. utu says:
    @lavoisier

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-on-semitism-by-jonathan-weisman/#comment-2317225

    “Humans like to build pantheons and populate them with their demigods. It simplifies the reality we construct and is used for various political purposes. Close reading of history of science shows much more complicated picture of interdependencies between multiple collaborators and competitors who all are driven by human passions and not always obey rules of fair play.”

    “Narratives are simpler to create if they include giants. So giants are created. It works on children and popular culture and it serves nationalist purposes. Then people, mostly boys, create lists who was the greatest and the 2nd greatest and so on. This is very autistic need chiefly affecting boys and immature grown ups who are incapable or too lazy to learn how things really happened.”

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  193. @Patricus

    First you gotta name a poorly run white city and blame it on the jews. Dems da rules here.

  194. GeeBee says:
    @anon

    Who is this unacceptably Nordic racist?

  195. @CCZ

    This is nonsense. None of those are holidays and nobody gives a shit about them except for, wait for it…YOU. That makes it an unhealthy obsession for you. Get out and take a walk.

    Normal people pay about as much attention to those dates as they do National Secretaries’ Day.

    • Agree: Sean
  196. Guest007 says:
    @res

    Does anyone really believe that some research who is dependent on a government grant to keep his job and pay his salary is going to throw away money on a graduate student who is not comtenent enough to be there. Undergraduate is one thing because it does not take money out of anyones pocket. Graduate student Affirmative action is usually limited to student who pay thier own way (Think MBA) rather than STEM graduate students that are paid for out of grant money.

    • Replies: @res
  197. @Intelligent Dasein

    “You know I’m right”

    In reality the problem was that no one can figure out whether or not you’re right, because when you get in this vein, your writing style is just angry hifalutin babbling and nobody can figure out what you’re talking about. At other times, you’re clear as a bell, so obviously it’s a mood thing with you.

    Calm down. Treat yourself to a nice clean shave. Contemplate Hexagram 40, “Freedom from Obstruction”. I Ching is your friend.

  198. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    I think that Germans keep on electing Angela Merkel not because of low T men, but because of 75 years of non-stop woke propaganda and a multi-party system that spreads out the right-wing vote. I don’t see any mass protests against the draconian Covid enforcement here in the states, the Germans have turned out on a regular basis by the thousands led by the supposedly low T German men. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8325909/Fury-Germany-thousands-expected-protest-country-lockdown-measures.html
    The only thing that could get thousands of Americans out like that is if Costco announced that they were raising the prices of their hot dogs!

  199. @Dave Bowman

    The internet, when properly used, can help you to expand your vocabulary . You might try it sometime instead of simply using it to spew your own ignorance.

  200. Rob McX says:

    For most of humanity, the non-rational is the default mode of thinking. Looked at from a broad historical perspective, the Enlightenment and its legacy could be a transient phase in the history of mankind. In these times, it certainly looks about to be submerged in a tide of barbarism.

  201. @Buffalo Joe

    The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred … Somebody.

  202. Reg Caesar is on vacation and so can’t do this one himself, so I’ll sit in for him….

    Sarah Sam: c’mon, it’s just too easy.

    Sam, Sarah: Samsara, the veil of illusion in Dharmic thought.

    Everybody here now put a quarter in the Slowpoke Jar.

  203. As one of the first people exposed to the power of true science, although he was still partly a mystic, the great Rene Descartes, stated that he would rather be in possession of “one simple fact that is true”, than a thousand muddled ideas and suppositions of philosophers and religious fanatics,etc. Five hundred years ago, he was already amazed at how people would entertain and value the ideas of psychic’s , obscure philosophers and religious fanatics, rather than be swayed by one simple and clear truth that they could be sure of. This is the situation the international left has brought us to today. We are in Descartes nightmare. We have scientists who willfully deny the very truths they can clearly behold, in favor of false ideologies and false values.

    • Thanks: annamaria
  204. anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You know I’m right,

    lol, you can’t even state iSteve’s thesis, let alone debate it.

    Hence my inquiry into your first language of literacy.

    Germ Theory was mocking you, dunce.

    With good reason.

  205. Muggles says:
    @Anonymous

    So tune in but just remember as a member of Scott’s audience: be prepared for a good tongue lashing!

    Wet or dry? My cats always preferred the latter.

  206. @Thomas

    They made a game out of that story? They need to make a game out of the Barry Malzberg story that begins something like “Today I killed my mother for the third time”

  207. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    Well you got the days of the week naming rights – don’t be greedy.

  208. Nico says:
    @nebulafox

    It’s a somewhat more sophisticated attempt at Conflict Theory of religion vs science, and it’s got a few weaknesses.

    That said while this theory is overly simplistic perhaps to the point of inaccuracy, it is very plausible that the scandals of the Wars of Religion made Europeans more open to “compartmentalization” of life and thus more receptive to René Descartes’s new emancipatory epistemology. However, whether the Wars of Religion were a necessary precondition for a thinker like Descartes to emerge, is another question: dechristianizers appeared almost as soon as the Roman Empire was Christianized.

    What Descartes did was to give the neoplatonists and neopagans dreaming of dechristianizing the West what had eluded them ever since Julian the Apostate: a deep enough kernel for a competing general cosmology and philosophy. Granted, Cartesianism isn’t actually as coherent as it appears at first glance but it was good enough for the interested parties.

  209. Art says:
    @Father O'Hara

    Great man knocked down. Mediocre run of the mill female student bowed down to.

    Once a donkey kicked a lion — the lion was dead.

  210. Nico says:
    @Guy De Champlagne

    You talk about “black majority countries” and then “black run cities” whereas earlier you said just:

    … there are well run black majority cities and countries

    And you admit that:

    I agree that blacks in any of these places aren’t creating the wealth and wellbeing for themselves.

    Thus confirming that you are in fact talking about “black-majority cities and countries” and not “black-RUN cities and countries.” The distinction is crucial. Plantations in the Old South were often populated by a majority of blacks and fabulously wealthy, with everyone on them (including slaves) enjoying a standard of living that was the envy of most formally free urban workers up North.

  211. Muggles says:
    @Anon

    Karen Harris?
    I think you mean Kamala Harris.

    That should be Commala Harris. Just like it sounds. Don’t let the Hindu spelling fool you.

    Also “Karen” is her middle name. Even as a newborn, she was screaming about seeing the Manager, not Mommy.

  212. Nico says:
    @John Johnson

    The poorest country in the Western Hemisphere is Haiti and it is also the Blackest. They still have not managed Roman standards of sanitation.

    Doesn’t seem to be much of a Darwinian penalty for literally living in shit, considering how prolifically they multiply.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
  213. lavoisier says: • Website
    @utu

    Agree.

    The collective of scientists who advance our understanding of the world and improve our lives are ALL giants.

    We just make the mistake of singling out giants.

  214. Richard B says:
    @anon

    And what did Lysenko do?

    He established to his satisfaction and the satisfaction of the Commnunist party a connection between Marxist thought and the inheritance of acquired characteristics.

    But scientists in countries which had a tradition of intellectual freedom would not accept it, because they knew that Lysenko had deliberately distorted his scienfitic data to fit the structure of Marxist thought.

    Even more important, Marxist thought itself had been abandoned because those living in a culture of intellectual freedom had escaped from the already outmoded and thoroughly discredited attempts to explain everything in terms of one set of principles!

    The moment a scientist makes a political statement they’re no longer scientizing, they’re politicizing. Whatever it is they’re politicizing is of no matter.

    When they do this they’re not speaking as scientists, but as ideologues and politicians. So, there’s no reason the public should listen to them as scientists and every reason why they shouldn’t.

    But the public and the professional and intellectual world is listening. Some because they’re forced to. Others because they actually support this insanity. And it is insane.

    The destruction of the scientific enterprise is a consequence of our loss of intellectual freedom. It is simply one part, though arguably the most important part, of a general cultural impoverishment that may last for the rest of our lives.

    Because this is happening at a time when the world is more complex and unpredictable than ever before, this cultural impoverishment and corresponding loss of intellectual freedom and destruction of the scientific enterprise poses the single greatest threat to the human race. It very well may be.

    It should not be assumed for one moment that the human race is going to be a successful species. We haven’t even been biologically tested. With wokeness at the helm it’s guaranteed we will fail that test.

    No idea is worth killing others over. But some are worth fighting against. And if ever there was an idea worth fighting against it’s wokeness.

  215. teo toon says:
    @Thomas

    That was a most interesting game video. Thanks.

  216. Richard B says:
    @TheTrumanShow

    Probably not. She seems to have ridden that 0.01% of her “minority” genetic “enslavement” pretty successfully, so far.

    Yet another example of someone who completely grasps the situation, while totally missing the point.

  217. Anon7 says:

    I don’t think that the Woke Faith is the problem with science.

    The problem is that women and their male lapdogs have now convinced everyone that science is consensus. What women mean is this – you get the “right people” in the room, they talk it over, and then they decide scientific truth.

    The Woke Faith is just the current result. The true error is the decision to make scientific truth a matter of consensus.

    This is a travesty. Theories must be measured against reality; that’s it. Anything else is fake science, pseudoscience, self-delusion, call it whatever you want.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, Rob McX
  218. Richard B says:
    @Muggles

    Erasing the past is a totalitarian tactic. Someone at Caltech might want to study that.

    Absolutely! And speaking of mythology, they also might want to have someone at CalTech study the mythology of explanation. Which is what Wokeness is.

    Of course, they’d never be able to make their findings public, and live.

  219. we’ll have 2 choices.

    the Space Age or the Stone Age.

    moderate white nationalism to Mars and the stars, or stone age melee fighting in the streets among a dozen competing groups while our civilization crumbles under Cultural Marxism.

    that’s it. not much in between.

  220. How truly “ironic” that people who are so deeply asleep should believe that they are awake.

  221. teo toon says:
    @ziggurat

    “California is today … the westernmost outpost of Nordic civilization. …”

    I don’t think Millikan today could even find “the westernmost outpost of Nordic civilization.”

  222. syonredux says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think that a strong case can be made for the notion that Japan just went nuts during the period 1937-45.

    That kind of thing just happens to countries. Just look at how insane the USA’s foreign policy has been since 9/11.

    • Agree: Pincher Martin
  223. @Adam Smith

    They do have small counties, just as Kentucky does, Adam. Most States in the east have smaller counties than, say those in Nevada, Wyoming, or Montana, of course.

    However, that metro area is huge. The MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) was defined as 5 counties back 70 years ago. Now, one could say 10 easily, though Wiki’s got some number like 39 – that’s stretching it way too much, with plenty of open land in between and going east all the way to Athens and west to La Grange. I’d go with 10 or 12.

    Just as a note, my wife was shocked when, while traversing the country 3,000 miles, we asked a guy at the restaurant in Montana how many people live in the county. The county was probably 2 or 3 times the size of ours and he said about 440 people. I thought that was great. She didn’t.

    • Replies: @Adam Smith
  224. @Rich

    I disagree, Rich. These antifa people and others bent on cultural and physical destruction are Communists in everything but colors and insignias. They are backed by elites who called be called Globalists, but they are no different than International Communists.

    It doesn’t matter that they are all white. The Red Russians were not called that due to their skin color. Communists took over the place and caused misery for 3 generations of Russian people. About all the people involved were white. We need to stop this from being done to us.

    • Replies: @Rich
  225. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Stanford was named after the teenage son who died young, not the robber baron, and politician, father. And Jane Stanford is now considered a co-founder. Stanford will do just fine as far as the naming game goes.

    It was named by Leland Stanford Sr. after Leland Stanford Jr. It perhaps did not escape the notice of the father that he shared the name of his son and the University. Just as Bill Gates has named a couple of buildings on the UW campus after his father and his mother. But, ultimately, they’re all called Gates Hall. And in a century, we all know which Gates people will remember.

  226. dually says:

    Science is also a religion though, kind of an idolatry that worships flashing lights and things that go BEEP! A death cult that unleashes uncontrollable weapons like nuclear and fentanyl on the populace – and then blames the victims. The truest believers in Scientism and Woke-ism are the Judeo-Protestants from which both sprang – these have been their secular religions since WW2.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  227. annamaria says:
    @Anonymous

    I wonder what caste does Sam belong to and what is her opinion of her (and her ancestors’) privileged position in India.

  228. JWalters says:
    @Buffalo Joe

    “The good men do is oft interred with their bones.” – William Shakespeare

    It’s well-known that a person can have a correct understanding on one matter, and simultaneously be wrong on another. Shall we throw out the entire works of Shakespeare because he believed a monarchy was necessary to maintain civil order? In this case the answer is obviously “no”.

    Shakespeare’s belief in the necessity of a monarchy was based on the evidence he had available at the time. Outside of religion, most beliefs are based on the evidence people have, regardless of how limited it is. Thomas Jefferson attended Native American tribal councils with his father, who was an official liaison. Young Tom was impressed by the dignity of the speakers, even though he didn’t understand their language, and as president wanted to establish treaties with the tribes. Andrew Jackson on the other hand, experienced war with the Native Americans, and believed the only good Indian was a dead Indian. But at the same time, both were correctly adamant about blocking the power of large banks to swindle and drain the common people.

    The contrast between European and Native American technologies were obvious to both sides. So the Europeans thought the Natives were primitives, and the Mexican Natives thought the Spaniards were gods. But the birch bark canoe is a marvel of engineering, despite being confined to pre-metal materials. On the other side of the world, the climate and geography favored the rise of agriculture, trade, specialization, and cities. The Mediterranean climate plus the rivers Euphrates, Nile, and Indus gave rise to the earliest civilizations in Sumer, Egypt, and India. But people spread into all pockets of the world, and proved able to adapt to all situations. Extreme adaptability is the key feature of the human brain. Eskimos do not smelt iron because it is not appropriate to their environment.

    Now the advances of scientific inquiry have given us ways to measure that adaptability. Most commonly used are paper and pencil tests of reasoning ability to produce an “intelligence quotient” score. These tests have found differences in average scores between different populations. For example, early US Army tests found a difference of about 15 points between the average of Euro-American recruits and Afro-American recruits. Some have theorized there is an IQ gene (or cluster) that is somehow tied to the gene for skin color and other physical differences between the groups.

    The articles that focus on this theory, including those here at the Unz Review, tend to ignore evidence that IQ scores can also be strongly affected by environmental factors. For example, there is evidence that early environmental factors can make a 15 point difference in IQ scores. Thus, such factors could potentially explain the group difference between Euro and Afro Americans. The following two paragraphs are from “Education and its effect on IQ”
    https://www.iqtestexperts.com/iq-education.php

    “The Head Start program in the United States is a federally funded preschool program for children from low income families. Head Start provides children with activities that might enhance cognitive development, including reading books, learning the alphabet and numbers, learning the names of colors, drawing, and other activities. These programs often have large initial effects on IQ test results and children who participate gain as much as 15 IQ points compared to control groups of similar children not in the program. The educational correlation for IQ test results continues into adulthood, with college graduates typically scoring higher than non college graduates.

    “A substantial body of research establishes that preschool education can improve the learning and development of young children. Multiple meta-analyses conducted over the past 25 years have found preschool education to produce an average immediate effect of about half (0.50) a standard deviation on cognitive development. This is the equivalent of 7 or 8 points on an IQ test, or a ascent from the 30th to the 50th percentile on test scores.”

    In 1903 Jack London wrote “The People of the Abyss”, based on his explorations in the East End of London, England. It’s available free online here.
    https://freeditorial.com/en/books/the-people-of-the-abyss

    He documents in vivid detail the destructive effects of poverty on the people of England who found themselves in its deadly trap, typically through no fault of their own, but by pure chance and events outside their control. Here is a passage from his book.

    “One day there came along a labourer and his wife, his son and two daughters. Their family had lived for a long time on an estate in the country, and managed, with the help of the common-land and their labour, to get on. But the time came when the common was encroached upon, and their labour was not needed on the estate, and they were quietly turned out of their cottage. Where should they go? Of course to London, where work was thought to be plentiful. They had a little savings, and they thought they could get two decent rooms to live in. But the inexorable land question met them in London. They tried the decent courts for lodgings,and found that two rooms would cost ten shillings a week. Food was dear and bad, water was bad, and in a short time their health suffered. Work was hard to get, and its wage was so low that they were soon in debt. They became more ill and more despairing with the poisonous surroundings, the darkness, and the long hours of work; and they were driven forth to seek a cheaper lodging. They found it in a court I knew well — a hotbed of crime and nameless horrors. In this they got a single room at a cruel rent, and work was more difficult for them to get now, as they came from a place of such bad repute, and they fell into the hands of those who sweat the last drop out of man and woman and child, for wages which are the food only of despair. And the darkness and the dirt, the bad food and the sickness, and the want of water was worse than before; and the crowd and the companionship of the court robbed them of the last shreds of self-respect. The drink demon seized upon them. Of course there was a public-house at both ends of the court. There they fled, one and all, for shelter, and warmth, and society, and forgetfulness. And they came out in deeper debt, with inflamed senses and burning brains, and an unsatisfied craving for drink they would do anything to satiate. And in a few months thttps://www.unz.com/author/gustavo-arellano/he father was in prison, the wife dying, the son a criminal, and the daughters on the street. Multiply this by half a million, and you will be beneath the truth.”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    , @anon
    , @dfordoom
  229. Rich says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I agree that these antifas need to be stopped, arrested and locked away with the folks that they pretend to love. We’ll see how much they believe “blm” after 6 months in prison. That being said, I think it matters that they are White, because even if these morons somehow prevail, the guy at the head of the table will still have Pale skin, and there will still be hope. I’ve known guys who were the sons of hippies and/or commies, who turned out to be to the right of Genghis Khan. And that counts. I don’t want them to win, I don’t think they will, but it is still a show of White power that blacks are led around on a leash by spaghetti armed White males and females. Kind of funny, in a way.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  230. Thomasina says:

    Was curious, so googled Sarah Sam’s name. Up came her Twitter account (sarahsamiam). One of the commenters on there was a Dawna Pari (with a bunch of Arabic letters after her name), who said:

    “So excited to learn that @Caltech BBE will be removing Gosney’s name from division programs. Today, our division chair also announced DEI Fellowships, more equitable hiring practices, transparency around DEI statistics, and more!”

    BBE = Division of Biology and Biological Engineering

    DEI = Diversity, Equity and Inclusion

    E.S. Gosney began the Human Betterment Foundation in 1928. He thought sterilization of the mentally ill would improve society. Apparently the Nazis used his book as the basis for their sterilization program.

    Of course, Gosney was wrong to think you can eradicate mental illness. He’d be astonished to find that the mental patients have now taken over the asylum.

  231. @Achmed E. Newman

    You can always count on the Unitarian Universalists to have your back when you get into a jam and need a friend.

    The UU is pretty far gone and nothing like the sect out of Boston in the old days.

    A joke told by the late Tom Landess:

    Q: What’s the difference between a Unitarian and a Universalist?

    A: The Universalist believes God is too good to damn any man. The Unitarian believes Man is too good to be damned by any god.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  232. @CCZ

    No doubt more celebrations to come!

    Indeed. Columbus Day is tomorrow, or today in the location that he sailed from. Make an effort to wish people a happy Columbus Day, even if it’s purely to piss people off.

  233. @syonredux

    Totally agree that Japan “just went nuts” but it started way earlier than 1937. Goes back to the 20s at the very least, and I would say it goes back to 1865 if you know what signs and symptoms to look for.

    The bizarre combination of insane racial superiority complex simultaneous with insane racial jealousy and envy (of the white West) was too much for them (1). That is why I put my finger on Port Arthur 1905, it’s the tipping point.

    (1) Hmmm, let’s see… insane racist superiority complex combined with envy, jealousy and shame that the White people do everything better… why it reminds me of somebody, I can’t quite figure out who-ish, but the notion is certainly new-ish. Someone else must provide just a clue-ish.

  234. res says:
    @Guest007

    Do you think being black increases or decreases the chance of receiving grant money in the Current Year?

  235. JackOH says:

    “Arbitrary, capricious, and unreasonable” are the working of “woke” culture.

    The phrase of course is from labor relations and used most often by labor, presumably the weaker grievant party, to characterize a noxious action by management, presumably the stronger party.

    How much longer are we to believe White dudes call the shots?

  236. @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, subsequent to writing that comment, a guy drove by and thanked me for the Trump sign. He lived nearby and we talked for about 1/2 hour, agreeing on every single thing, which is amazing. Well, he brought up a couple of Unitarian jokes which I will write right now before I forget them:

    A Unitarian is someone who goes around ringing doorbells for no particular reason. (shoot, it doesn’t sound funny now, I may have messed it up).

    Unitarians are the people that set question marks on fire on people’s lawns. (I think?)

    OK, I am terrible at remembering jokes – that was only 6 hours ago!

  237. Vigilius says:

    „ The greatness and superiority of natural sciences during XVI and XVII century rest in de fact
    that all scientists where philosophers “
    Classical science and Modern science are very different and probably Modern science has to change
    the name into – The Knowledge Machine .

  238. @syonredux

    How DARE you say eugenicist! Eu = good, and there’s nothing good about malgenecists. Imagine trying to improve human genes by weeding out the bad uns. It’s the future, and everyone’s Je

  239. The so-called Naming Task Force has been rattled by the resignation of one of its members, Sarah Sam.

    Really? Why is this even a news story? To me, Sarah Sam looks more Jewish than Black, btw.

    She says her conviction that one could not distinguish a person’s career from his or her character “was not shared by my fellow members.”

    Good for her. Now let’s apply the same principle and reasoning with regards to Martin Luther King Jr.

    Let’s revoke MLK Day as a public holiday on the grounds that he was a sexual sadist and whore monger. Apparently, from FBI wiretaps, he preferred white prostitutes and giving them a severe beating afterwards. Now, that would make a salacious and sensational news story!

    Unfortunately, we will never read that story in the MSM.

    The MSM will never distinguish MLK’s career as a (((civil rights activist))) from his character as a sexual predator.

    To make the distinction, to point out that MLK was a sexual deviant with no scruples, in current year of 2020 and BLM, would, of course, be racist and a crime against humanity. 

    SMHID

  240. @Guy De Champlagne

    That’s great, Guy, you provided examples. Atlanta, I thought! Maybe I’ll move there: it’s sunny, right? Better check the violent crime rate, just in case, ‘cos I forgot my Kung Fu. Here it is: Atlanta, you’re welcome to it:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=violent+crime+rate+in+atlanta&t=h_&ia=web

    • LOL: TheTrumanShow
    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  241. I am glad that they did not change the name Millkian from buildings, organizations, and Cal-tech.
    Eugenics and what it was used for, and the way that Eugenics was carried out, were sick, evil, sadistic, Nazi junk science and crimes against humanity.

    It stands as a testimony to the evil history of the universities in America, which have glorified, profitteered from, and have led the way to the majority of America’s most heinous crimes against humanity.

    It is better to keep the name and serve as a reminder to the students, America, and the world what sick disgusting evil monsters of a Frankenstein nature fill the lecture stands and run the labs in American universities.

    It serves as a warning to distrust everything that they are being told by the professors and it also serves as a warning not to trust the professors at all be ause they have had over 100 years of leading the way not only in Eugenics, but in radiation experiments on pregnant women and new borns, other sick and sadistic human experimentation including MKULTRA and the bad blood experiment, animal torture experimention, development of sick and sadistic mind raping technolgy, as well as developing WMDs.

    Maybe the students of Universities will wake up. The universities are thieves as well as debt enslavers and enslavers that somehow convince their victims that they really depend on them for the future of their survival, and charge them obscene tuition and then get the students to work for the universities which keep the patents in the universities names and sell to corporations for obscene profits.

    The universities have convinced the students and their parents to have the students or their parents pay obscene fees to work for the universities.

    Let everyone see what evil shysters and monsters they are! Maybe the students will wake up and realize how much the university research labs are profiteering off of covid research testing, vaxes, and treatments and that is all complete fraud since covid has not been isolated and that the tests are identifying any virus as covid because of the PCR tests.

    They are totally evil. I would throw the evil bums in prison if I had the ability to. The university professors are the Big Bad Wolves dressed in either sheeps clothing or often disguised as kind grandparent type figures that care about the future, the young, and America. Yeah, they pretend to care pretty damned well! Actions speak louder than words! If you have to pay them to care, that means that they do not care! It’s part of the salespitch! They do it because they care! Bullshit! They do it for the money!

    They are the devil!

    Andrea Iravani

  242. EldnahYm says:

    As if advocating eugenics is a bad thing. If we weren’t such sissies, we would be praising those who advocated eugenics for being far-sighted. The oft-repeated claim that eugenics was a policy of Nazi Germany is also untrue, but that doesn’t seem to bother anyone.

    I wonder if the claims about the Thirty Years War and compartmentalization leading to a scientific revolution are true. It seems to me the Newtonian revolution has much to do with developments in English empiricism(also theological ideas about the universe being driven by laws). Francis Bacon would only be alive for eight more years after the Thirty Years War began. Surely the Thirty Years War cannot be credited with leading to English empiricism.

  243. EldnahYm says:
    @dually

    Galileo was a Catholic.

    • Replies: @dually
  244. Cato says:
    @Wally

    Well, yawn, you are surely aware of Lynn’s book on eugenics? Try looking in the index. Exact references are not the fashion here — you yourself did not provide page numbers for your assertions. Pendejo.

  245. @res

    Some people just don’t get it. Let me be even more blunt than you were – if you do not have a required percentage of “oppressed people” in your lab/department, you will stop getting those grants altogether.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  246. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @JWalters

    The articles that focus on this theory, including those here at the Unz Review, tend to ignore evidence that IQ scores can also be strongly affected by environmental factors.

    You either don’t actually read anything here or you lie. Which is it?

    Head start

    40 years of studies show no lasting effects. None. No substantial difference can be found at the age of 8 between Head Start kids and all others. They don’t read any better, just for a start.

    But I get it, someone somewhere somehow doesn’t get what they want, so to you it is imperative the People of Color be allowed to destroy all of science and replace it with ever-shifting political commissar diktats, just like Lysenkoism. If that means some people’s lives are ruined or even ended, meh, you don’t care. Mere statistic, as one of your heroes once said.

    Because your heart bleeds virtually, many other people must in time bleed physically. Maybe bleed all the way out.

    Obviously you are a great and noble humanist.

    • Replies: @JWalters
    , @TheTrumanShow
  247. @Anonymous

    I always figured it was called Leland Stanford Junior University because it was something between a Junior College and a University.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  248. mike99588 says:
    @Anonymous

    She’s a mut, no telling what,
    less than octoroon %wise.

    My grandmother was darker and curlier than that, well educated for early 1900s, passed well for white (president of well off city’s art society) in a very bigoted time and place. I was a “blonde” kid with blue eyes, very slight tan, and wavy hair. Both grandfathers blonde and blue eyed. One daughter is almost that curly, her mom is straight haired.

  249. Of course eugenics is despicable! We cannot name buildings after a eugenicist!

    …..but don’t you dare take away our right to abort a fetus with Down Syndrome!

    Wokeness, being nether a science nor a transcendent religion, will tear itself to pieces eventually. Unless it can come up with a universally agreed method of counting victim points for the oppressed. And even then, won’t the victims highest up the scale then be privileged? Will whites eventually be able to claim systemic oppression?

  250. mike99588 says:
    @Gordo

    Guess that’s why nothing worked too well in new projects ever since…

  251. @I Have Scinde

    I knew a man who when he was 18 showed up for freshman orientation at Stanford and discover it was Leland Stanford Junior University, so he figured he’d have to transfer somewhere else after 2 years.

  252. Anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @PhysicistDave

    I have to say I do love your statement that the Universities should be demolished, burned to the ground and the ground sewn with salt. I said nearly the exact same thing 30 plus years ago about the University of South Florida where I am an alumni and was on the Faculty in the College of Natural Sciences. To call USF a cesspool of phony intellectuals is a kind and forgiving statement. It is tragic beyond belief what the US has done to itself with respect to anything requiring intellect.

    Blacks are dumb, that is an immutable fact. Even the Black King Obama is so stupid he may spend the rest of his life in Jail or worse. We can only hope and pray for that to happen.

  253. znon says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I have been saying Snobbery to all you antipodean autistae for millennia.

  254. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Instead, you decide to point and laugh at the person troubled by this realization and bemoan her as a “recompartmentalizer,” which only lends credence to the notion that the beliefs in question are evil and must be separated from the “scientific greatness” of the man and his other accomplishments. This is precisely the worst route you could take with this material; there is no world in which eugenics and race-realism would be more quickly confined to the dustbin of history than the very one in which the person of Linus Pauling was honored for his scientific accomplishments whilst simultaneously having his “sins” of eugenics separated from the rest of him. An ethos of enlightened decompartmentalization automatically cedes the moral high ground to the opposite side.

    That’s an interesting argument that does make sense. If you try to maintain a separation between a man’s scientific greatness and his unacceptable (in the Current Year) opinions on issues like race and sex you are in fact apologising for those opinions and admitting that the Cultural Left is correct in holding those opinions to be evil and unacceptable. You’re doing what conservatives always do – retreating while grovelling.

  255. dfordoom says: • Website

    At the moment the Woke/PC brigade are concentrating their attacks on specific scientific figures that they dislike. Eventually however they are likely to switch their attack to science itself, once they realise that the problem has not been individual scientists but science itself. The scientific method itself is inherently racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and colonialist.

    We can look forward to the day when the teaching of any kind of science linked to the scientific method is forbidden in American universities.

    And the HBD-ers will still be deluding themselves that any day now HBD will gain mainstream acceptance.

  256. In a speech he delivered in 1924, four years into his tenure as Caltech’s president, he stated that “California is today … the westernmost outpost of Nordic civilization. The problem of the relations of our race to the Asiatic races is the big race problem of the future. California must inevitably contribute largely to the solution of that problem.”

    In a 1951 letter written during a visit to Mississippi, he told his wife, Greta: “More than half of the population in this state is made up of negroes — a very serious situation. For it means that under universal suffrage they could control the state now — an unthinkable disaster in view of the sort of people they now are.”

    Well, didn’t smarty-pants Millikan get this completely arse-about.

    It isn’t the Asiatics or the Blacks who created the unthinkable disaster that is modern California. Or Minnesota, or the United States. Or Nordic civilisation.

    It was the Nordics themselves.

    Turns out the eugenics-loving Nordics weren’t half as clever as they thought they were.

  257. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Steve Sailer

    David Starr Jordan, early president of Stanford, made a famous eugenic argument against war: he argued that a war would kill off your best men, the brave self-sacrificing men who lead the charges, leaving behind the malingerers and draft dodgers.

    Just to play Devil’s Advocate for a moment, that may be a dubious assertion. The men most likely to get killed are the small minority who serve in the front lines. The ones most likely of all to get killed are the ones in the infantry.

    They’re the ones who weren’t smart enough for more specialised duties which would have kept them safely well behind the front lines. And the ones who weren’t smart enough to figure out how to make sure they didn’t end up in the infantry. That applies to officers as well. The smarter ones get promoted and are thus less likely to get killed leading stupid self-sacrificing charges.

    When you have conscription the guys who get conscripted are the ones who aren’t clever enough to figure out how to get college deferments and utilise other means of making sure (by legal means) that they don’t end up as cannon fodder. When you have a volunteer army the guys who volunteer are unlikely to be from the intellectual elite, or if they are bright they will make damned sure they end up in specialised rôles well away from the front lines.

    So wars might actually raise the average IQ.

    The guys most likely to end up on the front lines are also likely to be more aggressive, more violent and more anti-social.

    So war might actually be very eugenic. Just a thought.

  258. Rob McX says:
    @Nico

    Doesn’t seem to be much of a Darwinian penalty for literally living in shit, considering how prolifically they multiply.

    For Third Worlders, foreign aid, emigration and remittances from emigrants have staved off the consequences of overbreeding – for now.

    • Agree: Nico
  259. @utu

    Yet more confirmation that the man was both a brilliant scientist and an unpleasant human being.

    It’s strange to me how people tend not to be able to ‘decompartmentalise’, as Steve says.

    Civilisation is fraying at the edges because most people simply can’t get past black-and-white thinking.

  260. This article is based on the false premise that “Wokeism” is a religion, when it’s actually a political position. That’s important, because there’s no way to depoliticize science. For example, Darwin spends a lot ink in Descent of Man in deciding, after a long debate with himself pro and con, to include negroes in Homo sapiens. Either way, the decision is intensely political and fraught with consequence. Or consider eugenics, which can only be carried out when certain characteristics are considered superior to others. It’s inherently political. Examples could be multiplied without limit. If we accept it’s true that man is a political animal, virtually every position he takes on any question will have political ramifications.

    “Truth, reality and objectivity are all in trouble from our point of view; we see a male-created truth, a male point of view, a male-defined objectivity.”
    – Ruth Bleier, 1984, Science and Gender.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  261. dually says:
    @EldnahYm

    Galileo was a Catholic.

    Good example of a Scientism Denier. Also: Edison and the Wright Bros.

  262. @Badger Down

    BD,

    That’s funnier than hell! Laughed out loud. As for moving there, umm … you go first, Ok? — not that I don’t have full faith in Guy.

  263. JWalters says:
    @anon

    It is true that the Head Start pre-school effect on IQ scores, which has been solidly demonstrated, “fades out” after several years. Even so, many of the preschool programs were found to improve outcomes on other indicators, including graduation rates. The explanation is that when the kids lose the environmental enrichment of Head Start’s pre-school program, they hit a “use it or lose it” situation. It’s roughly similar to when a person builds up their body by a training regimen, and then drops that regimen and eventually drops its gains. Here are a couple of articles on this.
    “Does Head Start Fade Out?”
    https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/1993/05/19/34barn.h12.html
    “The ‘Fade-Out Effect’”
    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/09/13/the-fade-out-effect/

    Here’s an interesting and entertaining history of how different people in antiquity described racial differences. e.g. The Egyptians were pretty accurate. The Chinese thought whites looked like monkeys. “A History of the Race Concept”
    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2020/05/06/a-history-of-the-race-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-23664

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @anon
  264. dfordoom says: • Website
    @JWalters

    Shall we throw out the entire works of Shakespeare because he believed a monarchy was necessary to maintain civil order?

    In the long run I suspect it will be recognised that Shakespeare was correct on that point.

  265. @anon

    Thanks. Great comment. Pleased to see you didn’t let it (JWalters’ comment) go unchallenged.

  266. @Mr. Anon

    Mr. Anon wrote to me:

    Your posts were always sober, measured, and well thought out. And they still are, but I seem to have detected a certain – radicalization – in your opinions of late. You don’t seem too sanguine about the future of this country.

    Well… I suppose I have always been a bit of a radical in principle and a nice, quiet, law-abiding member of the middle class in practice.

    At a personal level, one of the events that has made me less sanguine is the situation with my daughter at UCLA: as I have related in more detail in past comments, she was the victim of a violent assault in May 2019 and has medical records, police reports (she called the cops during the assault), and confessions by the assailant to prove it. And yet UCLA is trying to blame my daughter for wrong-doing. The University is pretty incoherent as to exactly what she is supposed to have done that is wrong: it seems to be partly that UCLA just covers up everything and does not want to admit that an unprovoked violent crime occurred on campus. We’ve dealt with a huge number of administrators on campus, and every single one — no exceptions at all — has proven either to be a crook or a coward.

    I’m a bit shocked that at all of UCLA there seems to be not a single decent human being among the staff and administrators. I’d think that, just by dumb luck, there would be some decent people there!

    And of course, what we have seen at the national level is similar. I remember when CNN had Bernie Shaw, Mike Chinoy, et al. Yet, today there does not seem to be a single “journalist” at CNN with the courage to come out and admit that the Russian Collusion narrative did indeed turn out to be a hoax.

    And then, there is transgenderism: is there any prominent person, aside from J. K. Rowling (who of course has FU money), who is willing to say that a person with a Y chromosome and male organs is still a male? Is even Trump willing to say this?

    Years ago, I read an interview with the economist F. A. Hayek, who was a bit of a moral relativist, and the interviewer asked Hayek if there was not some moral principle that was necessary in any society.

    Hayek replied that he doubted a society could survive if systematic, routine lying became the norm.

    I try to remind myself of Adam Smith’s comment to John Sinclair: “There is a great deal of ruin in a nation.” And I try to remind myself of how fast events can change direction: Germany in 1948 was a very different place than Germany in 1943.

    But it does seem to me that the USA today is testing Hayek’s hypothesis.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  267. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    This article is based on the false premise that “Wokeism” is a religion, when it’s actually a political position.

    Yes. People like to think they’re saying something really profound when they say that Wokeism and Social Justice are religions. There are similarities but actually there are profound differences between secular pseudo-religions and actual religions. Political ideologies have largely replaced religion but they’re still political ideologies, not religions.

  268. Guest007 says:
    @Black-hole creator

    What what evidence or basis does one have to support such a claim. Talk to people who work in biomedical research. There are many labs that are 100% Asian and that have grants. Having a black person working in the lab is a rarity in biomedical research, especially if the primary investigator is Chinese or Korean.

    Maybe is someone could show that when applying for an NIH grant that a primary investigator has to provide demographic data on their grad students, post docs, or research appointments, then one could suspect that NIH is bean counting blacks or Latinos when review grant applications.

    • Replies: @Black-hole creator
  269. Guest007 says:
    @res

    The number of blacks working as graduate students probably has zero influence of whether a grant is awarded. Who would the reviewers even know the race of the grad students.

    • Replies: @res
  270. @JWalters

    Sorry, Mr. Walters. You are just reaching here. The repliers are right that the genetics always come out. You can only do so much with Head Start (which after many billions of dollars, has done exactly SQUAT in improvement) and other programs that steal hardworking people’s money to support the kids with the bad genetics.

    Dude, your theory has been the subject of a 55 year, multi-trillion dollar experiment right here in THIS country, and we all know the results. Just quit, already.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  271. This Twitter thread by “Zero HP Lovecraft” gives an account of how Wokeness became an all-encompassing state religion:

    Separation of church and state is not possible. It just creates a selection pressure for religions to shed the spandrels named “church” and “god.” And this is precisely what we see today — a state religion with no church and no god.

    It was only a matter of time before a someone developed a fork of protestant Christianity that could cross the church-state barrier. We call that fork “progress,” and with a few tweaks to the phenotype it was able to capture the entire state.

    One way we can tell progressive politics is essentially religious is to note this curious formula: the personal is political. Progress is not content with the non-overlapping magisteria of church and state. It demands that all facets of life be subjected to its moral calculus. (Yes, even mathematics!)

    In 1964, the civil rights act marked the total victory of the new progressive church over the government of the USA, ending the separation of church and state. (Cf. Christopher Caldwell on the replacement of the American Constitution with the Civil Rights Constitution.)

    Civil rights became a new foundational mythology, propagating through the base layer of US ideology, insinuating itself beneath all other beliefs. We now teach children the hagiography of the civil rights era in social studies classes and in the moral thrusts of their cartoons.

    Theocracies do not tolerate heretics. With the merging of church and state, freedom of religion is a shambling corpse, and Christianity has the option of abandoning patriarchy and heteronormativity or being destroyed.

    [MORE]

    In America we tried to create an explicitly agnostic state, but our founding fathers did not understand that religion is a living organism, and that all living things, like liquids, eventually taker the shape of their container.

    There is not one religious tradition in USA, but two: the exoteric tradition is protestantism, and the esoteric one is humanism, the latter of which is the provenance of “freedom”, “rights”, “equality”, etc.

    The humanist state was supposed to be a platform for diverse Christianities, a trick it pulls off by rooting the tenets of the faith and inserting some enlightenment values into the kernel.

    Progress is built on the protocols of USA civics. It can’t pay homage to God, because God is explicitly excluded from the political formula. Instead it deifies abstract concepts, venerating liberty, equality, and “rights”.

    Progress replaces the church service with the protest rally, the return of Christ with the moral arc of history, total depravity with implicit bias, and the crucifixion with the Holocaust (six million times more powerful than the original!)

    If you can manufacture an oppressed denomination of people, then a majority of other people will make public noises about helping them, because doing so makes them feel large and powerful and gregarious.

    The Great Awokening is a play on “The Great Awakening”, the name that we give to a series of Christian revivals across the last few centuries. And just as we see in The Current Year, revival has always been a disease that primarily afflicts women.

    Christian men could not formulate any principled objections to the revivals of the great awakenings and no one running the American civics stack can formulate a principled or compelling argument against the great awokening.

    We live in a world where both the right and the left are significantly to the left of the civil rights act, and that means they are both very far to the left. Your republican leaders have never rolled back one jot or title of the accursed machinations of progress.

    As long as you believe in the moral validity of “human rights”, as long as you think individual liberty is an end in itself, the most you can do is plead “too fast, too fast”.

    But if you’re running the American civics stack, you don’t get to say, at last, THIS is one progression too far, THIS emancipation is too much, because as we are realizing, giving puberty blockers to toddlers is in the constitution, only the hermeneutics took a while to work out.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
    • Replies: @black sea
  272. Those purging the past of political incorrectness may be hysterical fools. But modern science is not just about “finding a common language.” The world-threatening problem is that the “common language” of modern science permanently divorces facts from values—or rather unsuccessfully attempts to, with disastrous results. The fact is that facts cannot be divorced from values, because it is values that determine which facts get investigated and discovered, and how, and what worldview they are woven into. The Big Lie that values-free knowledge is not just possible, but desirable, has created a doomed world run by psychopaths (the original values-free philosophers).

    When Machievelli wrote The Prince, his contemporary audience assumed it was satire (which it may have been). Today, it is a user’s manual for everyone seeking power. Likewise, de Sade was correctly viewed by his contemporaries as a lunatic. Today he is honored in the academy, and his program of abusing the innocent for sexual thrills undergirds the selection mechanism for political power throughout the West. (Which rapist are you voting for in the upcoming election?)

    This is the world your “science” has created. Fortunately it won’t be around much longer.

    • Replies: @dually
  273. dfordoom: “People like to think they’re saying something really profound when they say that Wokeism and Social Justice are religions.”

    On the right, many self-proclaimed Christians do this because it gives them the opportunity to pretend they’re fighting a rival religion. They thrive on feeling persecuted.

    dfordoom: “There are similarities but actually there are profound differences between secular pseudo-religions and actual religions. Political ideologies have largely replaced religion but they’re still political ideologies, not religions.”

    Yes. The irony is that “Wokeism” is a political ideology that can trace its roots back to Christianity, and that gives it its religious feel. Fanatic Christian abolitionist John Brown was the early prototype for today’s BLM and antifa rioters. While “Wokeism” is the cultural residue of nineteenth century American Christianity, it’s still political, not a competing religion.

    • Replies: @res
    , @dfordoom
  274. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @JWalters

    Let’s return to one little issue you failed to address:

    You wrote:
    The articles that focus on this theory, including those here at the Unz Review, tend to ignore evidence that IQ scores can also be strongly affected by environmental factors.

    You either don’t actually read anything here or you lie. Which is it?

    Well?

  275. The Thirty Years’ War in Europe — which started over religion and ended, after killing millions, with a system of nation-states — made compartmentalization look good.

    Vox Day has comprehensively debunked the claim that religion causes wars.

    Garbage in, garbage out!

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  276. @Achmed E. Newman

    Good morning Mr. Newman…
    I hope this message finds you well…

    I agree whole heartedly… ATL is a beast…
    As beastly as many of the other large metro areas…
    It is unpleasant to travel through at the wrong time…
    I’m about 100 minutes from Hartsfield-Jackson (on a Sunday without traffic or heavy rain) and I avoid ATL like the plague….

    39 counties is a bit of a stretch (and would probably include my own) but 10 or 12 (or more) is very realistic…

    Fulton, DeKalb, Gwinnett, Cobb, Clayton, Coweta, Douglas, Fayette and Henry are the counties that I consider “Atlanta”.

    I’m under the somewhat mistaken impression that Atlanta covers more counties on a similar size tract of dirt than some other similar sized cities like Denver or Houston, but it turns out their metro areas have a similar number of counties and cover a similar land area… Meanwhile, a similar size metro such as Miami/Ft. Lauderdale covers a similar size area, but has fewer counties… It’s a little like comparing apples and ostriches… A quick example, Fulton County Georgia is the largest county in Atlanta at 534 mi². Houston’s Harris County covers 1777 mi². Cook County Illinois occupies 1635 mi². Dade County (Miami) is a sprawling 2431 mi², though much of the western part of it is everglades. Los Angeles County covers 4,753 mi². Apples and Ostriches.

    The county was probably 2 or 3 times the size of ours and he said about 440 people.

    Sounds wonderful… I’ve heard great things about Montana…
    I love scenic mountains, open spaces and big blue skies…
    Unfortunately Montana is a bit cold for my taste…

    I hope you have a great day Mr. Newman…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  277. res says:
    @Guest007

    The number of blacks working as graduate students probably has zero influence of whether a grant is awarded. Who would the reviewers even know the race of the grad students.

    I’d be interested in hearing the thoughts of someone who knows the grant world about this.

    I would be pleasantly surprised if you are correct, but am quite skeptical.

    You might ponder these links.
    http://commonfund.nih.gov/diversity/
    https://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/notice-files/NOT-OD-20-178.html
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/what-nsf-s-new-diversity-grants-say-about-attempts-help-minority-students

    Feel free to provide evidence of your own rather than vague assertions as above. The “probably” was a wise inclusion, I think.

  278. res says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    The irony is that “Wokeism” is a political ideology that can trace its roots back to Christianity, and that gives it its religious feel.

    It’s not just that. I think the “Wokeism” as religion idea largely comes from the degree both seem to rely on faith rather than evidence.

    • Replies: @anon
  279. @dfordoom

    It falls on how “our best men” is defined. If it is to be our most courageous men, then I’d argue war does kill them off. Academia has not been known for its brave men for quite a while. Rumor has it that von Neumann was “terrified of death”, became ”deeply anguished” and “cried like a baby girl”. The kamikase might have been mad, but they were not cowards, nor were the 9/11 hijackers (saying just that got Bill Maher some flak back then, although he might have been too busy reverse-mudsharking to really take notice).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  280. @James N. Kennett

    Yes, from almost any perspective, the claim that “modern” science dates from the seventeenth century is tendentious in the extreme. In the present context, it amounts to logrolling for Christophobia, which is one of the Times‘s primary enterprises. The Einstein quote that Mr. Kennett cites underlines what used to be obvious to anyone with intellectual integrity: that it’s only in the movies that things simply appear out of the ether.

    Even someone who mounts an aggressive defense of the claim on the basis of a narrow reading of the word modern ought to be asked to explain why, for example, the sixteenth-century luminaries Andreas Vesalius and Gabriele Fallopio don’t count as such. I’d be interested in hearing his rationale.

  281. @Guest007

    Evidence ? Muh own lying eyes. I am talking about academia, STEM-related. Granted, I do not have much of an idea of what is going in your Asian-dominated biomed sweatshops. They might be getting a pass right now, with the virus and all. But in academia, it is what it is – if you do not pursue aggressive affirmative action, eventually you will be black-marked by the federal funding agencies.

    And yes, capable black minority grads and post-docs, let alone faculty-caliber researchers, are worth their weight in gold. But black is not the only color that matters, being a NAM or a woman in some STEM fields is just as valuable.

    • Replies: @Guest007
  282. @Anonymous

    Irrespective of the percentage of her mix, she needs to take more biology classes and study solid organ transplants. It’s been known, for a long time, that people of “mixed race” have a notably lower chance of finding a donor organ. That would be real science, not factory science.

  283. Guest007 says:
    @Black-hole creator

    OK,

    Lets look at the UCLA physics department where the brand new winner of the Nobel is tenured and the department has pictures of personnel. 55 tenured or tenured track faculty with no blacks (male or female). 28 post-docs no blacks male or female unless they are stretching the definition to include Egyptians. Do you really think that Dr Ghez is not going to be getting grants in the future because there are no blacks in her department?

    AT Caltech, 46 tenured or tenured track physicist, zero blacks. For the post-docs 83 with one being black but probably not from the U.S. with the name of Jennifer Ngadiuba who attend universities in Europe. Does that mean that Cal Tech are not going to get any more grants?

    STEM programs usually look good for diversity due to having students from all over the world. The problem with STEM programs is finding American Descendent of Slavery or Mexican-Americans who will fill the slots. My guess is that the grant writers know how to filled out the form for current grant holders to show diversity. Egyptians and middle easterners get moved into the African-American column. Europeans get put into the Hispanic columns.

    Remember, Simpson’s Paradox was first noted to show that UC-Berkeley was not discriminating against women for graduate/professional school admisions.

  284. Mr. Anon says:
    @PhysicistDave

    I am sorry to hear about what happened to your daughter. I hope that she is better and that you are able to find some justice for the crime perpetrated against her. University administrators have really become craven and despicable. Many of the faculty are not much better (some of course are outright psychos). I am always perplexed at the presumption of universities to adjudicate what ought to be criminal matters for the police and the DA’s office – what gives them the right to even have a say in the matter?

  285. anon[918] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    Probably “religion” is too strong a term for now. There are aspects of religion that are missing. Perhaps “cult” fits the Woke better.

    The various cults of the late 20th century such as the Rajneeshee, the Moon, Ram Dass and so forth as well as Jim Jones & others all have some similarity to the Wokesters.

    Although there is one big difference: those cults had a major personality at the top, while Wokeness is not so hierarchical and there is no big, top leader identified. Not yet anyway.

    Calling the Woke “cult members” might prompt some interesting reactions. Worth experimenting with.

  286. @Adam Smith

    Thanks, Adam. On that map of yours, I guess that’s what the geographer types are calling “megalopolises” now.

    For a while, when it was still a much busier hub, for Northwest Airlines then, the DTW Wayne County/Metro airport boosters were calling it an aerotropolis. WTHeck?

  287. res: “I think the “Wokeism” as religion idea largely comes from the degree both seem to rely on faith rather than evidence.”

    The very name “Wokeism” harkens back to the outbreaks of religious fervor referred to as the Great Awakenings of Christian America. By some accounts there have been four of them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_awakening

    “Wokeism” is arguably a fifth wave, just Christian ethics in another form, where belief in Jesus and anything supernatural has become optional. The cultural triumph of Christianity has been so complete in the West that even atheists accept without question the so-called “brotherhood of man”, the existence and equality of “souls”, the wisdom of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, etc. There’s no evidence for any of that stuff, of course. But does that make it a religion? I say no. Though there are still Christians involved in it, it’s mostly secular and just political.

  288. JohnnyD says:

    Maybe, Cal Tech can overcome its racist past by hosting a series of Joe Biden lectures about Black inventors and scientists.

  289. @dfordoom

    It has been said that Napoleon’s wars for Empire-building made the modern Frenchmen about 4 inches (10 cm) shorter on average.  If height is a desirable trait, then wars are dysgenic. 

    But loss of height and physical stature are trivial compared to the actual loss of human lives and the destruction and dysfunction caused not only to the war-torn countries but to the home countries of returning veterans. PTSD violence and shooting sprees by Vietnam War veterans in particular are well documented.

    No serious-thinking person that I know of would argue that America today is better or has higher-IQ citizens than pre-Vietnam War America in the early 1960s.  

    In Canada, where I live, income tax was introduced during World War I as a “temporary measure in order to finance it.” World War I ended in 1918 but we still have the income tax, 102-years later, even though the debt (interest on those WWI loans) were finally paid off about 8-years ago in 2012. Does this make any sense to a high-IQ person?

    Personally, I’m not that high-IQ, but I think saddling nations with generational debt to the bankers who financed and orchestrated the wars in the first instance is not only dysgenic, it’s also a big scam!

  290. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    On the right, many self-proclaimed Christians do this because it gives them the opportunity to pretend they’re fighting a rival religion.

    Christians like the idea that they’re fighting a rival religion because it gives them hope. It allows them to cling to the belief that society is still basically religious and that most people are still basically religious. It allows them to believe that eventually people will abandon the false religions of Wokeism and Social Justice and return to Christianity.

    Most importantly, it allows Christians to deny the obvious fact that secularism has won the struggle against religion.

    It’s a cope.

    • Replies: @JasonT
    , @John Johnson
  291. JWalters says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Genetics is certainly a factor. At a minimum, it genes determine that a newborn human will have a human brain rather than a cat brain. But the theory that genetics is the ONLY factor that influences a person’s IQ test score has been conclusively disproved.

    In addition to the evidence given above there is the well-known birth order effect. On average, the first born in a family scores slightly higher on the test than the second born, who scores slightly higher than the third born, etc. If the test score were determined solely by genes, then by random genetic combination the second born would be equally likely to score highest. Similarly, the fifth born would be equally likely to score highest. But that is decisively not the case. The probable explanation (in view of all the evidence) is that the parents give more high quality time to the first born than to the others. With each successive child its siblings play a bigger role in keeping the child occupied. And the siblings do not have the capacity of the adult parents to provide enriching, quality time with the child.

    I agree that Head Start can only do so much. But one thing it has done is prove that environment enrichment can significantly improve IQ test scores. And it has shown that those improvements deteriorate if the enriched environment is not sustained.

    Modern research has shown that the human brain is extremely plastic, and continues adding new neurons and synapses throughout life, as long as a person is mentally active. That is why we are seeing the advent of cognitive training programs to keep people mentally sharp. The idea that a person’s functional intelligence is fixed at birth by genetics has been disproved.

    How we want to use this knowledge for public policy decisions is another matter. But it is not rational to assume a group of people who have been relentlessly socially suppressed are performing poorer on tests solely because of “bad genes”.

    It’s natural human tendency to have strong emotions overrule logic. But it’s a tendency good scientists learn to control.

    • Replies: @anon
  292. anon[401] • Disclaimer says:
    @JWalters

    But the theory that genetics is the ONLY factor that influences a person’s IQ test score has been conclusively disproved. is a straw man.

    Earlier you made this claim:

    The articles that focus on this theory, including those here at the Unz Review, tend to ignore evidence that IQ scores can also be strongly affected by environmental factors.

    You have not supported it with any evidence.

    You either don’t actually read anything here or you lie. Which is it?

    Perhaps you could address these logical errors?

    • Replies: @JWalters
  293. JasonT says:
    @dfordoom

    You do not understand. Christians believe that God is eternal, that God created everything you see around you, that God has already won (see Revelation), and that God has one requirement of humans in order for them to enjoy life everlasting:

    Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

    For Christians, there is only obeying the commandments and enduring until Christ returns and the Kingdom of God is finally established.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  294. dually says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Evolution is the singular value behind Science, because it defaults to “survival of the fittest” which is the equivalent of might-is-right. Darwinism was intentionally created to be against all other values except this materialism, under a supposed “factual”, albeit unproven, pretense that everything is biologically determined. This has gradually turned the West into a suicidal asylum run by lunatics, because materialist Science is generally considered to be the singular trustworthy “Truth”; whereas traditional moral values are considered to be an untrustworthy pack of lies.

  295. @nebulafox

    The reverse is also true. Jews are unable to develop Israel becauee they are unwilling to bring in an educated class from Europe, China, and India that they would need to develop economically. People like to point at the 1 percent of Jews that are scientists hut 50 percent of Israelis these days are on welfare and studying Talmud. Why dont they bring in math and science mided Germans?

  296. dfordoom: “Christians like the idea that they’re fighting a rival religion because it gives them hope.”

    Sure. Also, treating “Wokeism” as though it is opposition allows them to disguise the fact that it’s just a secular form of Christian ethics. The last thing they want is to be blamed for all of the destruction the secular forms of their religion has caused. If they admitted that Bolshevism sprang from Christian theological thought (Spengler), they’d have to take responsibility for all the genocides perpetrated by the various forms of communism. They’d also have to take responsibility for the first American Civil War, which Christian abolitionists played a key role in starting and prosecuting, and the idea of human equality, which led white Christian America, after the War, to grant citizenship and the vote to negroes. The idea of “white guilt”, which is central to “Wokeism”, can trace its ancestry to the Christian idea of original sin. If you’re born white, then you’re born guilty.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  297. dfordoom says: • Website
    @gabriel alberton

    It falls on how “our best men” is defined. If it is to be our most courageous men, then I’d argue war does kill them off. Academia has not been known for its brave men for quite a while.

    There’s a difference between physical courage and moral courage.

    When you look at the carnage perpetrated by our most courageous men in the two world wars I think we’re better off without them. Western Europe certainly became a lot more peaceful without them. Even the Germans and the French stopped invading each other.

    The members of my family who participated in the two world wars did so for remarkably moronic reasons – because it was the manly thing to do, and because it would be an adventure and for the Empire.

  298. @dfordoom

    Just to play Devil’s Advocate for a moment, that may be a dubious assertion. The men most likely to get killed are the small minority who serve in the front lines. The ones most likely of all to get killed are the ones in the infantry.

    That still leaves the problem of officers.

    The top officers from military families go into the frontlines with the regulars. Officers from the highest class of military colleges are expected to serve with honor in combat positions. That is the tradition of these families. You don’t graduate in the top 1% so you can relax in the supply line.

    It’s also a myth that the military takes the idiots of society and puts them in infantry. That is largely a Hollywood creation. The Nazis experimented with using derelicts and miscreants in SS units and decided that it wasn’t worth the effort.

    It isn’t just a problem of intelligence. You also have a problem where amoral and cowardly individuals cheat the draft or fake injury in combat. They pass on their genes instead of the brave. We know from twin studies that there is most likely a genetic connection to morality. Courage of course must have a genetic trait as it is seen early in children.

    WW2 was most likely dysgenic. There were a lot of highly specialized positions that were extremely dangerous. In fact Germany had a shortage of officers for numerous positions like combat pilots even midway in the war.

    Anyways it is an interesting question. From what I have read it seems that Eugenicists pre-WW2 concluded that modern wars were in fact dysgenic but didn’t have to be. They did not want another European war and then their funding ended because of it. An interesting side note to this is that Hitler read about US eugenic studies but seemed to ignore their concerns about war.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Erostratus
  299. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    WW2 was most likely dysgenic.

    I’d say it’s an open question. It’s possible it was eugenic in some ways and dysgenic in others.

    I think it’s also an open question as to whether volunteer armies make war more eugenic or more dysgenic. It certainly kills off a lot of gung-go types who want to join the army because they like guns and like the idea of killing people and we’re certainly better off without those types. Wars with volunteer armies also kill off quite a few of the flag-waving types who think that war is an honourable pursuit and we’re very much better off without them. On the whole I suspect that volunteer armies are eugenic.

    It’s impossible to deny that western Europe was a hell of a lot more peaceful after 1945. But of course the threat of nuclear annihilation also contributed.

    As I said, I was playing Devil’s Advocate. I’m not a fan of eugenics, because everyone has their own ideas as to what would constitute a better healthier population.

    I’m certainly no fan of eugenics motivated by IQ-fetishism. We already have an over-supply of over-educated high-IQ people and they’re a menace.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  300. ROBIN says:

    convex vectors don’t decline to apex rear ground over the apex would rotate into the foreground over the apex for all of eternity YOU ARE NOT ON A BALL

    You see this world FIRST PERSON
    Not third person

    It does not move
    negative velocity in the direction of positive velocity is impossible the thing you are on is still and mot moving it is in a position of rim rest.
    2nd law of thermodynamics you can’t have gas pressure without a container.
    Stars FELL OUT OF THE FIRMAMENT IN 1833 on Alabama under the sign of St George’s cross.

    Its heliocentric mind control aids programming combined with chemical lobotomies for slave labor and a lockout scheme a various input of many factors enabling the enslavement of man to a machine harvesting system of overlapped hegelian multicomplicit overlays communistic enslavement with capitalistic exemptions and privileges for the few and the elite and the complete annihilation of the bottom rung and the hollowing and kneecapping of the middle for machine corporatism literally run by cock roach people and luciferians. A syndicate hive mind emanating for the depths of hell.

    Oligarcharical Collectiviism.

  301. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    If they admitted that Bolshevism sprang from Christian theological thought (Spengler), they’d have to take responsibility for all the genocides perpetrated by the various forms of communism.

    That’s ridiculous.

    Christianity is not the source of Communism and not the first ideology or religion to decree some level of equality.

    Inequality is a problem that Greeks debated well before Christ.

    It was Plato that argued in the The Republic that the government should lie to the people and create a new culture for the sake of equality. In fact your entire identity would be a lie. Your class and sense of equality was based on a lie that was only known to a group of wiser rulers in government.

    What you call Wokism would be a religion with or without Christianity.

    To this day I have not met a secular liberal. The key problem is that White altruism goes haywire with globalism and without a solid framework Whites will latch onto whatever explanation or ideology tries to equalize everyone. When you take away Christianity you don’t get secularism. That is what the polls consistently show. You get Whites switching to liberalism.

  302. @dfordoom

    Most importantly, it allows Christians to deny the obvious fact that secularism has won the struggle against religion.

    Secularism did not win. Western society traded Christianity for liberalism and likes to pretend it is secular. It’s the Cult of Reason from the enlightenment where revenge and power against the natural hierarchy is the driving motive. The motive would still exist regardless of Christianity. It’s exactly what Nietzsche predicted as the weak align to suppress the strong under the façade of seeking equality.

    It’s a joke to suggest that secularism won when we are not even allowed to discuss *undisputed data* without fear of reprisal in our own country. People have had their careers ruined for even hinting that racial differences might exist. In Europe you can be jailed for merely making politically incorrect observations.

    This is one of the few places where discussions on race and the fraud of liberalism can occur and we do it anonymously. We are the .01% that discusses what cannot be said and we still see liberals and their allies coming here to thwart us. They can’t even leave us a single website.

    A cult of equality has taken over the schools, media and government. Most companies also have to submit to its demands. What we call conservatism has also submitted to its will. All public debates and studies operate within the shadow of the Cult of Reason. We do not have free association or free speech.

  303. @dfordoom

    I’d say it’s an open question. It’s possible it was eugenic in some ways and dysgenic in others.

    It is indeed an open question. I think it was dysgenic for Germany and Britain but eugenic for the US. The US didn’t suffer as many losses and the men weren’t gone as long.

    The number of German officers killed in mechanized warfare is staggering. At the end of the war the u-boats were being sunk on a daily basis. The Germans were putting 17 year olds in planes that had never flown before.

    WW1 was probably worse. Both sides mowed down their top officers early in the war. Horrible war.

    Wars with volunteer armies also kill off quite a few of the flag-waving types who think that war is an honourable pursuit and we’re very much better off without them.

    I understand this point of view but am not convinced of this. The a-hole flag waver is still more likely than average to have genes for bravery that are needed during peace time. Not necessarily from him but his offspring. You reduce the number of brave men in the population and then the intellectual class becomes isolated and cowardly. I believe this has happened in the West and especially to Britain and France.

    I’m certainly no fan of eugenics motivated by IQ-fetishism. We already have an over-supply of over-educated high-IQ people and they’re a menace.

    I completely agree with this and in fact I would say that a key problem is that our intellectual class lacks courage and not intelligence. Weakness and group think are the norm. Outside the hard sciences the entire educational system is designed to weed out independent thinkers. The people that do well simply repeat what they are told. There are very few people that challenge what is taught and that takes courage.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  304. @nebulafox

    Historically, Christianity is intrinsic to scientific inquiry and experimentation. It’s the modern decoupling of the two that has led to scientific stagnation in my opinion.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  305. JWalters says:
    @anon

    I’ve read several of these articles, and I try to stick to the facts. A recent article which did not discuss this information was “White Racialism in America, Then and Now”
    https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/
    In comment #32 I suggested that some such information be included in the overall story. The time stamp on my comment is evidence that I have read at least one such article, and that there is at least one such article that fits my description.

    If you don’t believe genes are the only influence on IQ test scores (“straw man”), where do you see the non-genetic influence coming in?

    • Replies: @anon
  306. dfordoom says: • Website
    @JasonT

    You do not understand. Christians believe that God is eternal, that God created everything you see around you, that God has already won (see Revelation),

    You’ve nicely illustrated my point that it’s dangerously misleading to regard secular pseudo-religions as religions. Religions like Christianity are focused on eternity; secular pseudo-religions are focused on the here-and now. Religions such as Christianity believe in supernatural intervention; secular pseudo-religions most emphatically do not. These are absolutely fundamental differences.

    Secular pseudo-religions were certainly influenced by Christianity in the beginning but they are very very different animals.

  307. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    I understand this point of view but am not convinced of this. The a-hole flag waver is still more likely than average to have genes for bravery that are needed during peace time. Not necessarily from him but his offspring. You reduce the number of brave men in the population and then the intellectual class becomes isolated and cowardly.

    To a certain extent that might be correct. On the other hand the people who want to join the military are heavily into groupthink and conformity. In the moral and intellectual spheres they may be a real menace. They’re definitely a menace in politics.

    I completely agree with this and in fact I would say that a key problem is that our intellectual class lacks courage and not intelligence.

    Agreed, although I suspect that was always the case. True independent thinkers in science and other intellectual spheres have always been persecuted by the intellectual establishment. Intellectuals as a group have always been deeply unpleasant people. The big problem has always been intellectuals who have the courage of their completely mistaken and misguided convictions and are determined to impose their foolish views on others.

    • Agree: Dissident
  308. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Magic Dirt Resident

    Historically, Christianity is intrinsic to scientific inquiry and experimentation.

    Really?

    I guess that would explain why it was that when Christianity began to decline scientific progress came to a complete standstill.

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  309. John Johnson: “Christianity is not the source of Communism and not the first ideology or religion to decree some level of equality.”

    “All Communist systems in the West are in fact derived from Christian theological thought … Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism.”
    – Oswald Spengler, in “The Hour of Decision”

    LOL. Who ya gonna believe? The great Oswald Spengler, or some ignorant asshole on the internet?

    John Johnson: “It was Plato that argued in the The Republic that the government should lie to the people and create a new culture for the sake of equality.”

    For the sake of equality? LOL again. You’re blowing smoke, and I doubt you’ve ever even read the Republic. There’s clear inequality between the guardians of the republic and lesser castes.

    Anyway, we in America get our idea of equality as presented through Christianity, through Christian theologian John Locke, often acknowledged to be the father of liberalism. Locke “proves” his ideas of natural human equality by citing the Bible.

    John Johnson: “What you call Wokism would be a religion with or without Christianity. ”

    That’s excellent. It’s a religion that has no god, no holy books, no priests, no meeting place, and that even its adherents aren’t aware of having joined. A lot of them even call themselves atheists, which in your stupid opinion is probably another religion. To call either one a religion is to stretch the definition of the word beyond all recognition or meaningful use.

    You’re hilarious! See if you can outdo yourself and say something even more ridiculous.

  310. @dfordoom

    Yeah, that’s my argument. With the level of technology and funding available today science should be far more productive than it is. Why has there been such a big drop off in breakthrough discoveries and influential figures?

  311. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > ” It’s a religion that has no god, no holy books, no priests, no meeting place, and that even its adherents aren’t aware of having joined. A lot of them even call themselves atheists, which in your stupid opinion is probably another religion. To call either one a religion is to stretch the definition of the word beyond all recognition or meaningful use.”

    Why are you denying that liberalism/Wokism/internationalism is effectively an irrational, idealist spawn of Christianity? You seem to agree in essence, don’t you? Is your argument in the semantics of the nebulous Jewish/Abrahamic concept of “religion”? You don’t need self-acknowledgment or a holy scripture for a cultural movement / ideology to take shape.

    American atheists have for decades exercised in proving their adherence to the words of Jesus the Jew, and thus in their effective denial of biological evolution when it’s applied to hominids. Should they be called atheists because it’s their nickname of choice? Hilarious.

  312. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @JWalters

    I’ve read several of these articles, and I try to stick to the facts.

    No evidence to support either assertion. “Because I say so” is not evidence.

    A recent article which did not discuss this information was “White Racialism in America, Then and Now”
    https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/

    I will try to make time to read it. However the very title suggests it is not about genetics, and Ron Unz’s essays tend to wander around quite a bit.

    Dr. Thompson’s articles are better written and always grounded in fact. You could try reading those.

    In comment #32 I suggested that some such information be included in the overall story. The time stamp on my comment is evidence that I have read at least one such article, and that there is at least one such article that fits my description.

    Weak sauce, we both know it’s trivial to pop in and comment without bothering to read the essay. Plus I have not yet read it, so I don’t know if you are lying about the content or not.

    If you don’t believe genes are the only influence on IQ test scores (“straw man”), where do you see the non-genetic influence coming in?

    Prenatal and post natal nutrition are known factors. Ditto exposure to certain metals. This is noncontroversial, and has been mentioned not only on this blog but on Steve’s previous one multiple times. Anyone who claims otherwise is either ignorant or lying, and plenty of liars have popped in over the years.

    Do you acknowledge the existence of genes at all? For example, if a brown eyed child was raised by blue eyed parents, wouldn’t you expect that child to become blue eyed over time, due to the power of environment, i.e. being raised to “act blue eyed”?

    I’m the guy who poasted the pic of Lysenko at the top, and I did it for obvious reasons; libtards who say the “f*ckin’ love science” are almost always retarded junior Lysenkoists. Not ruled by thought and reason, but by ideology and emotion. You look like just another one.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  313. Adûnâi: “Why are you denying that liberalism/Wokism/internationalism is effectively an irrational, idealist spawn of Christianity? ”

    It’s my religion, just as mask-wearing is your religion. Religious freedom, baby! Yee-haw!

  314. @Guy De Champlagne

    So name ten things your people (whoever they are) discovered, designed, engineered, built, manufactured, etc. that you use every day. Because basically everything I own was first discovered, designed, engineered, built or manufactured by the white Christian men you seem to hate. Hundreds of them, not just ten.

    So educate us on who you are and name us ten things you use every day that your people discovered, engineered, built, manufactured, etc that you use every day. We need a good laugh.

  315. JWalters says:
    @anon

    “No evidence to support either assertion.”

    I pointed you to a time-stamped comment of mine at one such article. You assertion of “no evidence” is glaringly false.

    “I will try to make time to read it. However the very title suggests it is not about genetics”

    That statement would make you a laughingstock at a scientific conference. (1) You didn’t even read the article!!! (2) Your conjecture about its contents is completely wrong!!!

    “Prenatal and post natal nutrition are known factors.”

    Good. I refer readers to Jack London’s descriptions of the utterly devastating effects of malnutrition in England, quoted and linked in a previous post in this exchange.

    “Do you acknowledge the existence of genes at all?”

    I specifically acknowledged the role of genes in a previous post in this exchange. Evidently you are not paying close attention to what I write. That is consistent, however, with your wild speculation about the article you didn’t even read.

    Further, you have dodged the issue of whether the cognitive richness of a child’s environment can affect their IQ test score.

    “Not ruled by thought and reason, but by ideology and emotion.”

    You clearly have no experience doing science, nor participating in discussions with the level of thoroughness and accuracy typical of scientific work. Consequently, you made baseless insinuations that I am lying, ignored evidence I presented, and even claimed I presented no such evidence. You dismissed reading a key article for understanding my case, to which I provided a link to make it easy for you. And then you wildly, grossly incorrectly speculated on the content of that article. In short, you have demonstrated ignorance, laziness, very poor logic, childish name-calling, and a presumptuous arrogance that typically comes from uncontrolled emotional bias.

    • Replies: @anon
  316. Dissident says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    John Johnson: “What you call Wokism would be a religion with or without Christianity.”

    That’s excellent. It’s a religion that has no god, no holy books, no priests, no meeting place, and that even its adherents aren’t aware of having joined. A lot of them even call themselves atheists, which in your stupid opinion is probably another religion. To call either one a religion is to stretch the definition of the word beyond all recognition or meaningful use.

    Hello good doctor,

    I hope you will not mind my interjecting here with a few questions and comments.

    Would you deny that when it comes to dogmatism and fanaticism, Wokism/Antiracism, and at least the most hardcore strains of atheism can rival nearly any theistic/traditional/conventional religion? Do you not see that in a post-Christian West, slavery, “racism”, and increasingly, even mere whiteness have taken the place once occupied by Original Sin?

    As for deities and priests,

    [MORE]
    would that role not appear to be served by persons of-color; persons of LGBTQXYZ holiness; members of other sacralized, designated victim groups; and any number of specific canonized individual icons? In the latter category, would you not prominently place such iconic figures as Martin Luther King, Jr.; Emmett Till; Michael Brown; Trayvon Martin; George Floyd; and now most recently, Ruth Bader Ginsberg. (Peace be upon each and every one of them.)

    As for holy books, what about the canon of sacred texts that includes works from such luminaries as James Baldwin, Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, Ta Nehisi Coates, Ibram X. Kendi, and perhaps the most fundamental of all currently, Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility?

    Meeting places? BLM-ANTIFA led Mostly Peaceful Protests [TM]; the Pussy Hat, Climate Change and similar virtue-signalling orgies of the pre-COVID days of the Trump Presidency; individual Starbucks outlets; and churches— not only of the Unitarian Universalist variety, but also what may very well be a solid majority of (at least nominally) Christian churches. Perhaps most conspicuously omitted from your comment was the extent to which Christianity itself has thoroughly embraced and adopted the secular ideologies and frameworks I have enumerated above.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  317. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dissident

    that when it comes to dogmatism and fanaticism, Wokism/Antiracism, and at least the most hardcore strains of atheism can rival nearly any theistic/traditional/conventional religion?

    That’s true, but fanaticism doesn’t make a political ideology a religion. It makes those ideologies similar to religions in some ways. But they’re also very unlike religions in other ways. I think the differences are sufficiently fundamental to make it necessary to distinguish between actual religions and secular pseudo-religions.

    It’s true that political ideologies have now largely replaced religions throughout the developed world but it hasn’t been a case of one religion replacing another. It’s a case of a different kind of belief system displacing older belief systems. It represents a fundamental change with momentous consequences. It represents a change from a belief in heavenly rewards after death to a belief that Heaven can be created right here on Earth.

    the extent to which Christianity itself has thoroughly embraced and adopted the secular ideologies and frameworks I have enumerated above.

    That’s been accompanied by an abandonment of actual religious belief. It’s debatable whether most modern mainstream Christians can truly be described as religious. They have abandoned a religious belief in favour of secular beliefs. Is the Church of England a religion? I’d say basically no.

    The embrace of secular ideologies by Christians is an indication of the extent to which they have lost all faith in God. When you remove God from Christianity what you end up with is Social Justice and Wokeism. But without a genuine belief in God you don’t have a religion.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @JWalters
  318. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    > “It represents a change from a belief in heavenly rewards after death to a belief that Heaven can be created right here on Earth.”

    So, to you, a religion is exclusively a Jewish religion? It’s only the Christians and the Mohammedans who are transfixed on the after life, not even the Jews themselves are such.

    > “When you remove God from Christianity what you end up with is Social Justice and Wokeism.”

    This thread is full of Christians. America is full of Christians. Obviously, you think like that. You know nothing outside of Christianity. Hitler lost, and Stalin compromised, and lost.

    > “But without a genuine belief in God you don’t have a religion.”

    Without the belief in the gods of the Jews (Jehovah and Jesus), you will get life eternal in the blood of your people.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  319. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Adûnâi

    > “When you remove God from Christianity what you end up with is Social Justice and Wokeism.”

    This thread is full of Christians. America is full of Christians. Obviously, you think like that. You know nothing outside of Christianity.

    Well that is basically the subject under discussion – the differences between Christianity and the various secular pseudo-religions. That’s the subject that is most relevant to the situation of the West today.

    Personally I’m neither a Christian nor an American.

  320. JWalters says:
    @dfordoom

    “It makes those ideologies similar to religions in some ways.”

    Exactly. In particular, adherents of an ideology can exhibit a closed-mindedness to evidence and reason that characterizes many (not all) adherents of religion.

  321. Anon[246] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles

    No man is perfectible; some are redeemable.

  322. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @JWalters

    “No evidence to support either assertion.”

    I pointed you to a time-stamped comment of mine at one such article. You assertion of “no evidence” is glaringly false.

    Oh, please. Anyone can post a time-stamped comment on the tail of an Unz article, there is zero requirement to actually read the article. You are being disingenuous at best.

    “I will try to make time to read it. However the very title suggests it is not about genetics”

    That statement would make you a laughingstock at a scientific conference.

    This is a comment string, not a scientific conference.

    (1) You didn’t even read the article!!! (2) Your conjecture about its contents is completely wrong!!!

    Perhaps if you used moar punctuation, your trolling would be more convincing?

    Like this!!!!!!!!!

    “Prenatal and post natal nutrition are known factors.”

    Good. I refer readers to Jack London’s descriptions of the utterly devastating effects of malnutrition in England, quoted and linked in a previous post in this exchange.

    But irrelevant to the topic at hand, which is the Woke attempting to kill science.

    “Do you acknowledge the existence of genes at all?”

    I specifically acknowledged the role of genes in a previous post in this exchange. Evidently you are not paying close attention to what I write. That is consistent, however, with your wild speculation about the article you didn’t even read.

    What “wild speculation” would that be?

    Further, you have dodged the issue of whether the cognitive richness of a child’s environment can affect their IQ test score.

    Because it is not relevant to the topic at hand, which is the Woke attempting to kill science.

    “Not ruled by thought and reason, but by ideology and emotion.”

    You clearly have no experience doing science, nor participating in discussions with the level of thoroughness and accuracy typical of scientific work.

    Lol. This is a comment string with someone attempting to troll me, not peer reviewed research. You clearly do have some experience with shifting goalposts, changing topics, and generally attempting to fog things up with irrelevancies: you are experienced at trolling for flames.

    Consequently, you made baseless insinuations that I am lying, ignored evidence I presented, and even claimed I presented no such evidence. You dismissed reading a key article for understanding my case, to which I provided a link to make it easy for you. And then you wildly, grossly incorrectly speculated on the content of that article. In short, you have demonstrated ignorance, laziness, very poor logic, childish name-calling, and a presumptuous arrogance that typically comes from uncontrolled emotional bias.

    So? What does all that have to do with your initial claims? What does it have to do with the topic at hand?

    Thanks, though, for proving my point.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  323. JWalters says:
    @anon

    More dodging facts and spitting.

  324. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    LOL. Who ya gonna believe? The great Oswald Spengler, or some ignorant asshole on the internet?

    That’s a logical fallacy and not an argument. It’s called appeal by authority.

    John Johnson: “It was Plato that argued in the The Republic that the government should lie to the people and create a new culture for the sake of equality.

    For the sake of equality? LOL again. You’re blowing smoke, and I doubt you’ve ever even read the Republic. There’s clear inequality between the guardians of the republic and lesser castes.

    Plato believed the government could maximize equality through the noble lie. That is what Communists and liberals today believe. They have to tell a noble lie (race doesn’t exist) for the sake of harmony. Only the guardian class was allowed to know the truth. Only liberal professors and journalists can know the truth. Not the dirty masses and certainly not deplorables.

    Philosophers were seeking equality in society well before Christianity.

    John Johnson: “What you call Wokism would be a religion with or without Christianity. ”

    That’s excellent. It’s a religion that has no god, no holy books, no priests, no meeting place, and that even its adherents aren’t aware of having joined. A lot of them even call themselves atheists, which in your stupid opinion is probably another religion.

    It is indeed a religion. It is centered around a religious belief that biology has a convenient and unquestionable egalitarian exemption for humans.

    You have not been around liberals if you think it is just a political ideology. They will quickly ex-communicate you for pointing out any flaws in their holy books like Mismeasure of Man or Guns, Germs and Steel. The subject is not to be questioned to where your entire reputation with them will change in an instant if you point a single problem with paint theory (race does not exist beyond superficial levels).

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  325. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    Plato believed the government could maximize equality through the noble lie. That is what Communists and liberals today believe. They have to tell a noble lie (race doesn’t exist) for the sake of harmony. Only the guardian class was allowed to know the truth.

    Couldn’t it be said that all civilised societies are to some extent based on noble lies? And on myths that cannot be questioned?

    Isn’t democracy a noble lie? The idea that a leader or a government can be chosen by a popularity contest and somehow, by some mysterious means, such an absurd system will produce the best possible government? And that, somehow or other, the 51% of the voters who vote for Candidate A will turn out to have been right and the 49% who voted for Candidate B will have been wrong? Or, in the British system of “democracy,” a party can win a minority of votes but as long as they win more than the second most popular party those voters will have made the right choice. Didn’t the Tories win one fairly recent election with 36% of the vote?

    It’s clearly absurd to believe that such systems of choosing governments make any sense but if people stopped believing the noble lie the result would be social chaos.

    Isn’t it a noble lie that a bunch of guys in the late 18th century possessed such extraordinary wisdom and foresight that they could produce a constitution that would continue to work forever and would still work even two-and-a-half centuries later in an entirely and radically different world? But without that noble lie (or that myth if you prefer) there would be social chaos and the political order would collapse.

    Weren’t all monarchies based on noble lies? That a man was suited to lead a country just because his Dad had been King before him? Because somehow Divine Providence would make it so? Surely that was a noble lie, necessary to avoid anarchy and endless ciil wars?

    And haven’t all societies with a religious basis been based on noble lies? That out of the countless competing religions and competing sects somehow the dominant religion in a particular state must be the One True Religion? Again the alternative would have been chaos.

    Don’t all societies require myths in order to avert chaos? Aren’t concepts like equality, freedom, the magical powers of the free market, the sacredness of laws, the ability of twelve ordinary people to determine if someone is guilty or innocent of a crime, patriotism, aren’t all these things nothing more than myths? Aren’t all religions, philosophies and political ideologies based on noble lies and myths?

    How much truth are ordinary human beings capable of dealing with? How much truth do ordinary human beings want to deal with?

  326. Couldn’t it be said that all civilised societies are to some extent based on noble lies? And on myths that cannot be questioned?

    To some degree but that the difference is that Plato envisioned a philosopher/ruler class that knew and actively promoted an untruth.

    It wasn’t like other societies where the origin and truth of myths were still a mystery to even the rulers with of course the exception of the people that created them. But even in those cases the creators could believe certain events were still the result of divinity.

    Plato believed that this philosopher class had to actively lie to the other classes to promote stability and social equality. This is in contrast to other philosophers that assumed truth is always a virtue. Plato believed this was normally true but when it came to social harmony he believed the noble lie was required.

    But the takeaway here is that lying for the sake of equality predates Christianity.

    I don’t believe for one second that Whites would switch to racial realism if every vestige of Christianity was removed from Western society. In a moral vacuum I believe Whites would seek equality and would be naturally inclined towards egalitarian ideologies. It was the Romans that wrote about how the Nords and Germans were actually quite egalitarian despite being barbarians. If fact the Germans had a level of gender equality that didn’t exist in Rome. I suspect the European inclination to equality is on a genetic level (which has been discussed elsewhere) and thus liberalism is not merely filling the gap created by Christianity. European egalitarian genes are basically turned against themselves by globalism and that would still occur without Christianity. Europeans naturally find certain inequalities to be deeply uncomfortable unless it is explained to them as to why those inequalities exist. Other racial groups are much more content with inequality.

    How much truth do ordinary human beings want to deal with?

    This is a good question. I think we are at a point where the noble lie of race not existing has put Whites on a destructive path in the countries they created. When the noble lie becomes a destructive enemy the emotional desire of average Whites to maintain that lie is deprioritized. I don’t see another way around this but I’m open to ideas.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  327. Additional note:

    A big problem with the current noble lie is that it is not only decrees that race doesn’t exist but that Whites are to blame for any racial problems.

    So it isn’t merely some myth of the ages that is basically harmless and promotes social harmony.

    Liberals and egalitarians have no choice but to blame Whites for racial inequality as it isn’t supposed to exist at this point. With every year they come up with new explanations for how Whites are basically ruining what would be natural equality. They have switched from conscious racism to unconscious racism where they are essentially blaming bad spirits in even Good Whites. It’s complete madness to where even objectivity itself is blamed as a source of racism (see the White guilt course for Federal workers that made the news).

    It’s a recipe for destruction and Whites shouldn’t have to tolerate constant denigration and shame from the left for simply existing. The left has turned completely irrational in its quest to fix racial inequality and Whites continue to allow this irrationality because of the noble lie. The establishment right isn’t much better as they adopted their own form of the same lie (racial equality would exist if not for socialism, Democrat plantations, public schools, etc).

  328. John Johnson: “That’s a logical fallacy and not an argument. It’s called appeal by authority. ”

    It was an appeal to the opinion of a world-renowned scholar who spent his life studying this subject vs. an ignorant idiot making an assertion based on no evidence whatsoever. How much rebuttal do you expect when you present only your own opinion?

    John Johnson: “Only the guardian class was allowed to know the truth. ”

    Then clearly Plato’s imaginary republic wasn’t based on equality.

    John Johnson: “Philosophers were seeking equality in society well before Christianity. ”

    They speculated about it. That’s what philosophers do. It took the toxic creed of Christianity to actually put it into practice.

    John Johnson: “[Liberalism] is indeed a religion.”

    If everything that is like something else is the same thing as that something else, we’re in a lot of trouble. It would mean, for example, that because you are like a bird in that you have two legs, you are a bird. But what kind of bird are you, Johnson? A cuckoo?

  329. @Cato

    She’s a callow student. At some point in her life, someone should have helped her understand that every human, lucky enough to live many years, will change their mind about so many things — they will become wiser.

    I’m convinced this is at least mostly (and terribly) an utter myth.

    Here, try this: Fake a Facebook account and go surreptitiously investigate your old friends from thirty or forty years ago and see where they are now. I recently tried this and was astonished to see that absolutely none of them had advanced a single centimeter. They all went to crappy State colleges, then into the public sector and stayed where they were when they were twenty — narcissistic, self-righteous defectives struggling to see who has absorbed the most woke dogma and who’s going to the most demos. It’s like they’re still stuck in high school.

    The intellectual isopraxis is appalling.

    I suspect you don’t mature without at least some sustained trauma, and this society has done its best to make sure this never happens. This is the result.

  330. Erostratus says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    The top officers from military families go into the frontlines with the regulars. Officers from the highest class of military colleges are expected to serve with honor in combat positions. That is the tradition of these families.

    This dubious practice nearly wiped out the British upper class in WWI, forcing the army to enlist “temporary gentlemen.” This was no joke, but the formal terminology for these non-upper-crust junior officers. A good memoir of one is available from Project Gutenberg. Search that field.

    This was largely a careerist ticket-punch in Vietnam, a brief six-month tour, as opposed to thirteen months for enlisted ranks — who hated this system that provided serial incompetence.

    It’s also a myth that the military takes the idiots of society and puts them in infantry. That is largely a Hollywood creation.

    Who winds up in combat arms during the confused demands of wartime is largely a matter of blind chance, but the 11-B MOS did in fact have the lowest intelligence requirement in the army during Vietnam. Experimentally, the marginally retarded (I believe with IQ 70) were enlisted as 11-Bs, but I don’t remember the details nor the project codenames. Those with felony records were also accepted at the time. Needs must.

    I’m sure that Hollywood exaggerated all this. That’s their job, after all.

    The Nazis experimented with using derelicts and miscreants in SS units and decided that it wasn’t worth the effort.

    Actually, they kept this up until the end of the war.

  331. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    Plato believed that this philosopher class had to actively lie to the other classes to promote stability and social equality. This is in contrast to other philosophers that assumed truth is always a virtue.

    The assumption that truth is always a virtue is just an assumption. It certainly isn’t the case in everyday life. Everyday life would just not be possible without lies.

    Your wife asks you if you think she’s put on weight. You answer, “Yes honey, you’re getting quite fat these days.” The result is misery for both husband and wife. Is truth a virtue in that situation?

    Your kid is upset because he failed a math test at school. You tell him the truth. “Sorry Timmy, you’ll just have to accept that you’re dumb and that the most you can hope for out of life is a soul-destroying menial job.” Result, a young life ruined. Is truth a virtue in that situation?

    Your son is upset because he asked a girl for a date. You tell him the truth. “You’re kind of ugly and creepy and women will always be repulsed by you.” Is truth a virtue in that situation?

    If truth is often a very bad thing in day-to-day life why should we assume that it is always a virtue in the public sphere? The idea that truth is always a virtue is an idea so crazy that only someone with an expensive education could ever believe it.

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