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Because nobody seems to know this anymore, as illustrated by the Andrew Sabisky whoop-tee-doo, here is Philip L. Roth et al’s 2001 “Ethnic group differences in cognitive ability in employment and educational settings: a meta-analysis,” in Personnel Psychology aggregating 105 cognitive studies of 6,246,729 individuals.

Why there is a white-black gap in intelligence remains an open question, but the fact that a white-black gap exists is settled science.

 
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  1. Why there is a white-black gap in intelligence remains an open question”

    Answer: largely due to genetics.

  2. Lot says:

    “ Why there is a white-black gap in intelligence remains an open question”

    Nope, there is zero doubt it is partly genetic and partly environmental. The twin studies, all by themselves, are conclusive as much as any study of human traits can be.

    Not fully OT: the hundreds of dystopian nightmare videos leaking out of China from cell phone cams and VPNs has sparked some coerced self-criticism letters.

    White people apologizing, groveling, and being fired for telling the truth… at least the Chinese know how we feel.

  3. Science is never “settled” as long as people have “feelings.”

  4. Lot says:

    Looks like a high-IQ African Tory representing the rich Surrey suburbs of London is the one who twisted the knife into Sabisky.

    https://news.sky.com/story/andrew-sabisky-resigned-number-10-advisers-remarks-racist-says-government-minister-11936970

    Why do such Africans care? In a way being a 140IQ african makes you a lot more special than a 140IQ white or ne asian. Ask Obama!

    Or ask any black male graduating from a good college with decent grades in real classes. Whiskey claims without actual evidence that white women like black guys. The data from dating websites says all races, sexes, and orientations prefer whites. It is actually the Fortune 500 that cat-fights over the few “eligible black bachelors.”

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Spangel
    , @Whiskey
    , @AndrewR
    , @Slimer
  5. El Dato says:
    @Lot

    Is this some kind of weird Twitter joke by the Hong Kong #Resistance? The one that burnt down the quarantaine quarters?

    Seriously, who “apologizes” for Critiquing Big Brother while REPEATING the critique in the apology? The feel of a Monty Python sketch or of disinfo is strong here.

  6. Spangel says:
    @Lot

    Come on. While not fully rational in a logical vacuum autistic type of way, it should be fairly obvious why coming from racial stock of markedly lower IQ compared to other groups is a tremendous challenge to one’s self concept and ego, even if that individual has a high IQ.

    And with blacks, it goes so much beyond IQ. A lot of white HBD types accept that NE asians have higher mean IQ than whites, and it doesn’t bother them because of the total context around that fact. Whites still primarily built the predominant civilization of the last 1000 years, one vastly more advanced than any other the world had seen before. White men are still most desired as dating prospects. Generally, white countries have high SES and white neighborhoods have their sh*t together a lot of the time. Blacks, OTOH, not only have markedly lower intelligence, they have lower impulse control (even adjusted for IQ) to the point where their behavior is often embarrassing to the intelligent members of their race. They have more criminality, more unstable family structures, an inability to build or maintain first world living standards anywhere, an inability to maintain a non chaotic community without substantial management and resources from other races…

    To be black is to have everyone, especially the SJW denialists, look at you and somewhere feel reminded of the spectre of the ghetto and all it entails- the looming sense of incompetence driven by primitive impulses. Of course blacks are going to fight against the acceptability of the belief that this incompetence is substantially due to genetic factors.

  7. Rob says:
    @Lot

    Nope, there is zero doubt it is partly genetic and partly environmental.

    Is there any evidence that it’s partially environmental, though? I can believe part of the gap with actual Africans is environmental, but black Americans regress towards 85, and the black distribution is a bell curve, right? There’s no sign of a black American sub population that’s fixed even part of the environmental deficit. I can buy that part of the childhood gap is environmental, because adoption into better families can remedy part of the gap (but doesn’t raise them to their real children’s IQ), but adoption’s improvement goes away by their twenties, so there’s no really compelling cause of an environmental deficit. Except the possibility that whites thinking their dumb causes them to be dumb, but there’s a more parsimonious explanation for the belief.

    So what is the most compelling evidence for an environmental cause?

  8. Lot says:

    Daily Mail covers the Miller wedding. Good article for a facebook share, appeals to women and trolls the sjws.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8015121/White-House-Advisor-Stephen-Miller-serenaded-Elvis-impersonator-DC-wedding.html

  9. Even if you are a Young Earth Creationist, sub-saharan Africans have been separated from the rest of humanity for at least the last 4000 years minus the last few hundred, and that’s more than enough time for environmental selection to have made the negro very adapted to an environment where the ability to outsprint a lion was a survival trait but the ability to comprehend algebra or conjugate verbs was not.

    Blacks as a group are just not very smart in the ways it takes to be well adapted to Western civilization. That is not my fault, it is not your fault and it is not their fault. It just is. They are still human beings worthy of the respect and kindness all humans are. But their limitations have to be acknowledged and dealt with in a fashion that respects their human dignity but our needs and potentials as well. We made a choice between going to Mars and mollycoddling Blacks and it was the wrong one.

    Blacks should be given a choice: live amongst themselves with black governance, and eating on what they can earn, taking no subsidy from whites, managing their own affairs, or staying in White society but conforming to White behaviors and restrictions. The worst Black murderers, rapists, and persistent violent criminals should be dealt with as one would a rabid dog, for that is what they are. Blacks engaged in persistent black criminality should be subject to real deterring punishment, including corporal punishment and imprisonment under conditions they genuinely fear and detest.

    Many Blacks would be able to earn a decent living in present white society if we went back to manufacturing and a more labor intensive, less “efficient” style of agriculture, and if they were genuinely educated to their level of capacity. Many Blacks capable of seventh grade education are instead at first or second grade levels, and to that extent they have been unfairly treated. The rest could be subsidized as long as they don’t make trouble, don’t make the rules the rest of us have to live under and don’t make more people who need to be subsidized as well. I wouldn’t mind paying taxes for that since corporate welfare costs much more than what is actually paid out to negro, mestizo and white trash welfare people.

  10. The US has a longer and larger history of black citizens than Great Britain. I don’t see any advantage in trumpeting the fact that blacks as a whole are less intelligent than whites. Personally I don’t think it bothers me that x and y are more intelligent than I am. On the other hand, as black Americans are our fellow citizens and deserve respect, I don’t see why the IQ difference if pointed out to a black teenager is helpful to him. He may feel disrespected. It’s not like it’s that big a secret to many blacks, an insight derived from comparing white neighborhoods and inhabitants to the disarray of their own neighborhoods and inhabitants.

    I see no good reason for the facts about racial IQ differences to be brandished as an ideological weapon.

  11. What a surprise to see this topic on your blog! Back to your brief again, eh? How many times a week does your contract say you have to bring up this canard? Pretty regular, I’d say.

    And, just by the way, statistics, damned lies. Little Nigerian girls are smarter than you are and you know what I’m talking about.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @JMcG
  12. J1234 says:

    OT, but not really. Here’s what an “Iowa man” did:

    Man kidnapped woman, forced her to watch ‘Roots’ miniseries ‘so she could better understand racism’

    Threatened to chop her up if she moved.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-woman-forced-to-watch-nine-hour-miniseries-about-slavery-cops-say-20200218-qylwj2ntuzaknltir777en5lda-story.html

  13. Anonymous[272] • Disclaimer says:

    Why there is a white-black gap in intelligence remains an open question, but the fact that a white-black gap exists is settled science.

    This seems to be an inaccurate statement by Steve. The “settled science” is only that there is a white-black gap on certain tests devised by certain people and that purport to measure intelligence. It is not settled science that these tests in fact measure “intelligence.”

  14. J.Ross says:
    @donvonburg

    The intelligent de-industrialization of several agricultural practices would satisfy concerns about health, animal welfare, job creation (especially for minorities and less prosperous regions), the environment, vulnerability to disaster or terrorism, and flavor, but it would only be possible with industry cooperation.

    • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson
  15. @Anonymouse

    P.S. I see no good reason for the facts about racial IQ differences to be brandished as an ideological weapon. It seems better that it not be spoken of. There are other truths of that sort.

  16. J.Ross says:
    @Lot

    Say, has anyone seen Blinky Bill?
    I have to get back to Shaun Rein, if only to make room for my other reading, but I was driven away because his book reads like a Beijing government press release and is full of this insanely severe inability to analogize. Rein’s explanation for Chinese corruption and tyranny (which just happens to be the official government line, funnily enough), is that the government must be allowed to be a living god walking upon the earth in order to avoid the potential chaos and excesses of the government being a living god walking upon the earth. How does somebody take a Harvard MBA if they cannot analogize?
    It reminds me of Craig Mazin deciding to dramatize (and flat-out lie about) Chernobyl in order to encourage leftism and credentialism. Chernobyl turns out to be a fortuitous reminder for the world-is-flatters celebrating how different China is now that it’s Wuhan’s time to shine.

  17. Unfortunately ‘settled science’ amounts to ‘wacist’ remarks. This isn’t even the first time.

    Equally talking about disproportionate black crime ist verboten despite official statistics backing this up.

    The absolute state of the Egalitarian Peoples Republic of Diversity.

    Low IQs are Africa’s curse, says lecturer
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov/05/highereducation.research

    https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

  18. @donvonburg

    If embryo selection for intelligence ever becomes reality, you can be sure no one will be crying to withdraw this technology from Africans.

    The ‘talented tenth’ of Africans in the West really ought to be pushing for removing the most cancerous elements of their race from society, why let the bad apples spoil the whole barrel?

  19. “Why there is a white-black gap in intelligence remains an open question, but the fact that a white-black gap exists is settled science.” But it is only settled in regard to African Americans. It is not clear when it comes to immigrants form SSA as far as I understand.

  20. res says:

    Thanks. Another good high level paper (from 2007) on the topic.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259982147_Considerations_Relating_to_the_Study_of_Group_Differences_in_Intelligence

    ABSTRACT—There are signs that the debate over racial and gender differences in intelligence is about to begin again. In this article we will be concerned primarily with racial differences but will make remarks about gender differences where applicable. Previously there have been bitter arguments over whether or not races exist, over whether it is either important or proper to study racial and gender differences in intelligence, and over the conclusions that have been drawn about environmental and genetic causes as determinants of these differences. We argue that races do, indeed, exist and that studying differences in cognitive competence between groups is a reasonable thing to do. We also point out that past research on both racial and gender differences in intelligence has been marked by methodological errors and overgeneralizations by researchers on all sides of the issue. We propose ten principles of design, analysis, and reporting that ought to be considered carefully when doing or evaluating research in this area.

    I think their take on the Roth et al. paper is worth noting.

    A Second Example Dealing With Generalizations From Nonrepresentative Samples
    Roth, Bevier, Bobko, Switzer, & Tyler (2001) surveyed existing data on the use of cognitive tests for industrial hiring decisions. They found that, summarized over all hiring studies, the White–African American difference in test scores was approximately 1 standard deviation. The authors then pointed out that within applications for jobs of the same level of cognitive complexity the difference was considerably reduced, in some cases to only about .7 standard deviations. Roth et al. suggest that this is because applicants for jobs exercise considerable self-selection before they are tested in order to match their own talents to the job requirements as they see them. The qualification is particularly important in practice because, as we pointed out earlier, implementing the EEOC definition of differential impact of a test instrument on minority applicants requires knowledge of
    any differences in ability between racial/ethnic groups in the applicant population, not in the country at large.
    Having carefully considered changes across different groups, Roth et al. (2001) proceeded to ignore differences over time. Their estimate of the size of the difference in academic achievement was based on an amalgamation of data over last third of the 20th century. It is well known that over this time the difference in test scores between Whites and African Americans was closing. Their estimate for industrial applicants was based on data reported by Wonderlic & Wonderlic (1972), almost 30 years before Roth et al.’s date of publication.

    The downside of the Hunt and Carlson paper is that it does not give much real data. Especially when compared to Roth et al.

    My sense is that Hunt is a thoughtful and honest observer, but cautious about making the most uncomfortable points too explicitly. Searching for “Earl Hunt” in James Thompson’s blog is worthwhile. Some other notable publications of his.

    What makes nations intelligent? (2012) Perspectives on Psychological Science 7 (3) 284-306
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1745691612442905?journalCode=ppsa
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-national-consequences-of/

    Human Intelligence
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/the-wisdom-of-crowds-or-single-authors/

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  21. Whiskey says: • Website
    @Lot

    It’s the evidence I see with my own eyes. Ads appealing to women, the Kardashian billions, real life couples.

    Lower natural iq = higher aggression and violence = higher male sexiness = higher birthrate. No woman ever said she likes smart guys.

    That is the reality not a pretty lie.

  22. @Lot

    God bless Miller. He really does believe in ethno-nationalism. His wife is pretty damn Jewish. Good for him. Miller understands how the world works, not just now but generation after generation. I also suspect that he understands totally wiping out white control of the West will not be good for the Jews over the long run.

    Miller for President!

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  23. Anon7 says:

    If we had a truly meritocratic society, nobody would care about this.

    When I was in college, I knew black guys who swept floors and I knew black guys who were working on PhDs. Since I was working my way through college, I swept floors myself; one summer I worked in the Public Health building. I remember vividly the day that a man from Nigeria finally got his PhD. He was a smart guy, and his big smile was radiant. By the end of the month he was gone, back to Africa to apply his knowledge about public health.

    The problem is the progressive Left insistence that “fairness” is more important than merit, and if 12% of people in the USA are black, then 12% of professors of medicine, engineering, law, physics and math must also be black. The progressive Left are now ascendant, and we’re screwed.

    Regaining control of education has to start in preschool now, I suppose. It will take a full generation to get back to normal. That is, a meritocratic society (like you’d want to live in some other kind).

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  24. Because nobody seems to know this anymore …

    Is that snark, Steve, because I figure you know better, i.e. that the people who got this Sabisky guy fired know better? They just don’t want to believe it and don’t want anyone else to believe it either.

  25. AndrewR says:
    @Lot

    140 is quite generous for Barry. 122 would be my best guess. In any case, he’s half white, so his relative intelligence isn’t that remarkable.

  26. @Anon7

    Meritocracy is very hard in a society where different groups have differing outcomes and especially when it is a one person, one vote kind of democracy. Take Whites, East Asians and Indians in America, these three groups perform more or less the same in socioeconomicmetrics and in fact the latter two outperform Whites. Nobody is asking for affirmative action for East Asians or Indians, it is always aimed at Blacks (even the Hispanics are not targetted this much)

    In such a society, it will be all too easy for some race-hustler to raise tensions. I think practically speaking it is possible to supress the speech of such people or better yet, just don’t give them air time at all which wouldn’t mean supressing them. The media however is all too happy to jump on to this bandwagon.

    It is mostly Jews who push for this kind of stuff, there are not enough Blacks out there who are able to organise this themseleves and achieve such change, there is a Hidden Hand.

  27. J.Ross says:
    @J1234

    Could’ve been worse, Alex Haley lying about history is infinitely better than Toni Morrison lying about history (or Maya Angelou babbling).

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  28. AndrewR says:
    @Spangel

    I am white and I accept that a lot of unflattering habits of white people – like pathological altruism (for lack of a better term) – have a genetic basis. I do not sympathize with high IQ blacks who get angry at whites for pointing out simple facts.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  29. JMcG says:
    @Anonymouse

    The facts about racial IQ differences are being used as a weapon against whites and have been so used for 60 years now.

  30. JMcG says:
    @obwandiyag

    Then how come they can’t avoid those Boko Haram guys? Wasn’t super genius Michelle Obama going to solve that problem btw?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  31. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    Are you saying these tests have no predictive or explanatory power?

  32. res says:
    @Jaypo

    That article makes a very interesting (and borderline libelous IMHO) point.

    In 2014, he commented on an article on the Unz Review, a website popular with alt-right racists and antisemites that has run Holocaust denial and pseudo-race science and hosts a blog by Steve Sailer, the alt-right’s go-to person on race science, who is often credited with coining the term “human biodiversity”.

    As far as I see, Sabisky commented under his own name 44 times on James Thompson’s blog between 9/17/13 and 10/25/15. James Thompson joined the Unz Review 12/12/16:
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/first-year-at-unz/

    So Sabisky never commented at the Unz Review. Though I suppose the Guardian statement could be considered literally true since those articles (as well as his comments) are now on unz.com. Even though “In 2014, he commented on an article on the Unz Review” is sufficiently specific and incorrect that I think it could serve (along with the use of that connection to draw negative inferences) as the basis of a libel suit. But if Sabisky is considered a public figure I suspect he would lose.

    In any case, the attempt to associate Sabisky with the Unz Review is done in an extremely misleading fashion.

    • Replies: @guest
    , @Desiderius
  33. @Anonymouse

    I see no good reason for the facts about racial IQ differences to be brandished as an ideological weapon.

    It doesn’t have to be an “ideological weapon”, merely useful data.

    It would a better choice than to brandish lies about racial IQ differences as an ideological weapon. Whole swaths of society – education, labor law, the criminal justice system – are run with the belief that there is no racial intelligence gap. Trillions of dollars have been flushed down that rathole.

    You are arguing that basing public policy on obvious lies is a good idea.

    • Agree: West Reanimator
  34. Kronos says:
    @Spangel

    To be black is to have everyone, especially the SJW denialists, look at you and somewhere feel reminded of the spectre of the ghetto and all it entails- the looming sense of incompetence driven by primitive impulses. Of course blacks are going to fight against the acceptability of the belief that this incompetence is substantially due to genetic factors.

    Keep in mind the other side of the social equation. To officially recognize Black low-IQ will likely further open the floodgates of affirmative action. Many Democratic and Republican whites really don’t want to fulfill Eric Holder’s notion “that we’ve only scratched the surface” in regards to affirmative action.

    Imagine if being born Black automatically allows African Americans access to both Affirmative Action and Disability/Social Security benefits. Something that’ll really freak out white Baby Boomers. That’ll put intense strain on an already overburdened system. Perhaps it’s just better pretending that they’re typical fully functional adults?

    • Replies: @Ed
    , @Cranberries
    , @Travis
  35. @Jaypo

    The Guardian article is pure Guardian.

    One of the niche pseudoscientific theories popular in such circles is “human biodiversity” (HBD), which argues that there are differences in intelligence between races, based on genes – despite this theory being repeatedly debunked.

    The science is settled — Leftists are congenital liars. When used by a leftist, “Debunked” is the new “Confirmed.” (also note the weasel wording whereby the Guardian hack conflates the existence of IQ difference with the genetic causation issue. That way he can avoid having to admit the difference even exists.)

    Also, there is apparently a new threat to Democracy lurking on-line:

    Equally revealing is the title of the blog under which Sabisky made his comment: “in the dark about the dark enlightenment.” The Dark Enlightenment is a name given to a far-right movement that promotes a little-known ideology called neo-reaction or NRx.

    The “Dark Enlightenment” and “NRx” are, indeed, so little known that no one has ever actually heard of them. But I guess that is precisely what makes them so dangerous. Or something.

    • Replies: @Muggles
    , @guest
  36. BPP says:
    @Anonymous

    You design whatever standardized test you want, and if you can produce one where blacks outscore any other ethnicity, you will have done something no one else has ever done.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @onetwothree
  37. @AndrewR

    140 is quite generous for Barry. 122 would be my best guess. In any case, he’s half white, so his relative intelligence isn’t that remarkable.

    Agree. Circumstantial evidence includes the fact that he never released any of his transcripts.

    But then again, the key skill in politics is being able to say the same banal, anodyne things over and over and over again, without letting it slip that you actually know better. I imagine that anyone with an extremely high IQ would find this process intolerable.

    A superstar politician needs to have a moderate IQ, a sociopathic ability to believe his own bullshit, and obsessive ambition.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  38. Fun says:
    @Spangel

    To be black is to have everyone, especially the SJW denialists, look at you and somewhere feel reminded of the spectre of the ghetto and all it entails- the looming sense of incompetence driven by primitive impulses. Of course blacks are going to fight against the acceptability of the belief that this incompetence is substantially due to genetic factors.

    Self-restraint and impulse control isn’t just genes. One could easily surmise by looking at the changes to mainstream (white) culture over the past 50 years.

    It also seems most black people have an affinity towards “blackness”/black culture, and have collectively avoided cultural ennui and self-loathing, despite lower social status. Whites on the other hand…

  39. @AndrewR

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwasi_Kwarteng

    According to this wikipedia article, both his parents are from Ghana and from his photograph he certainly doesn’t look mixed race

    From Wiki;

    Kwarteng attended Colet Court and then Eton College, where he was a King’s Scholar and was awarded the prestigious Newcastle Scholarship prize, before going to the University of Cambridge where he read classics and history at Trinity College, Cambridge. He was a member of the team which won University Challenge in 1995 (in the first series after the programme was revived by the BBC in 1994). He attended Harvard University on a Kennedy Scholarship, and then earned a PhD in economic history from the University of Cambridge in 2000.

    Seems like he is much higher than 122 IQ.

    • Replies: @Lot
    , @duncsbaby
  40. J.Ross says:

    The Believers prove the strength of their faith by holding maximally incompatible beliefs.
    Just like the Believers accepted that rape is okay for blacks and Muslims at the same time that they accepted that we should believe rape claims unquestioningly where blacks and Muslims are not accused, so too they accept that police violence is a major problem while accepting that micro-minorities noted for extreme violence should become cops.

    TEEN IN TROUBLE FOR DOUBTING TRANNY COP’S PRETEND GENDER — EVEN THOUGH TEEN IS MENTALLY DISABLED

    According to the U.K.’s Metro, the incident took place in October while PSCO Connor Freel was on foot patrol in Mold, North Wales. The teen, 19-year-old Declan Armstrong, was with his friends when he noticed Freel on patrol and reportedly said — quite loudly — “Is it a boy or a girl?” in front of a friend. When Freel looked over, Armstrong reportedly said it once more. Freel, 25, said he was “upset and embarrassed” by Armstrong’s remarks. A judge ordered that Armstrong be put under house arrest after 9 p.m. local time, and pony up $767 — including an amount of $260 in compensation to Freel. Armstrong was convicted of an offense of “using abusive or insulting words with intent to cause harassment,” as reported by the Daily Mail. His house arrest — which takes place between the hours of 9 p.m and 7 a.m. local time — is set to last 12 weeks.’

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/teen-with-aspergers-fined-placed-under-house-arrest-after-questioning-trans-police-officers-gender

  41. Bert says:
    @Whiskey

    A beautiful mixed race young woman told me that she doesn’t have sex with black men because their style is too aggressive to be enjoyable.

  42. @Jaypo

    “In 2014, he commented on an article on the Unz Review, a website popular with alt-right racists and antisemites that has run Holocaust denial and pseudo-race science and hosts a blog by Steve Sailer, the alt-right’s go-to person on race science, who is often credited with coining the term “human biodiversity”.”

    But SS explicitly said: “Professor Jonathan Marks invented the term “Human Biodiversity” in 1995:”.

    • Replies: @Pheasant
  43. @Rob

    Being raised by black parents (or at least your black mother) when you are a child.

  44. @Anonymouse

    as black Americans are our fellow citizens and deserve respect, I don’t see why the IQ difference if pointed out to a black teenager is helpful to him. He may feel disrespected. . . . I see no good reason for the facts about racial IQ differences to be brandished as an ideological weapon.

    You raise an important point that, I think, is sort of at the heart of the whole divisive, outrage culture we now inhabit. On the one hand, there are many truthful things that don’t need to be talked about in certain times and places. Once upon a time, controversial conversations could be compartmentalized in academia or in high-brow public policy circles. Now it all hangs out there on the internet for everyone to see (or seek out for purposes of being offended).

    There used to be a truce of sorts in the culture — Liberals would accept that America was a fundamentally fair system that merely needed to eliminate actual discrimination in order to permit equal treatment of blacks. In turn, Conservatives would accede to affirmative action as a “temporary” (albeit decades-long) remedial measure.

    The Great Awokening broke that deal. The new paradigm on the Left is that black under-performance is simply ipso facto proof that America is pervaded with “institutional racism” and that Whites, “Whiteness,” and, what the heck, all of Western Civilization needs to be torn down and remade as they dictate. Anyone who disagrees is, by definition, a racist who must be de-platformed.

    To fight this lie, and all its pernicious consequences, we need to be able to point out the true reason for Black under-performance — namely, that Blacks are approximately one standard deviation below Whites in IQ. All alleged evidence of “systemic racism” is fully explained by this simple irrefutable fact. (Never mind for the moment whether the IQ difference is genetic, which it is).

    In short, the facts about racial IQ differences actually do need to be brandished, at least as a shield, if not a sword. If the anti-White, cultural Marxists ever stop attacking then perhaps we could revert to a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on racial differences.

    • Agree: Travis
  45. @Hypnotoad666

    In short, the facts about racial IQ differences actually do need to be brandished, at least as a shield, if not a sword. If the anti-White, cultural Marxists ever stop attacking then perhaps we could revert to a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on racial differences.

    Very well put, if this shuts up the proportional equality people (The population is X% Black, that means everything must have Blacks holding X% of the positions) then it can only be a good thing.

    At the very least it will inject doubts into the minds of the adherents of the equality of outcome crowd, and they may just prefer not to talk about it.

  46. @Whiskey

    “It’s the evidence I see with my own eyes. Ads appealing to women

    I guess it all depends on who’s making the ads.

  47. @J1234

    Man kidnapped woman, forced her to watch ‘Roots’ miniseries ‘so she could better understand racism’

    Threatened to chop her up if she moved.

    Tim Wise is branching out!

  48. Philip L. Roth

    Has he been diagnosed with Portnoy’s complaint?

  49. indocon says:
    @Whiskey

    As one of the best examples of your observation @whiskey is the famous so called “ho”t felon from California Jeremy Meeks.

  50. Flemur says:

    the fact that a white-black gap exists is settled science

    That’s why “They” freak out when someone mentions it; if “the gap” were nonsense, there’d be nothing to get worked up over.

  51. @Anonymouse

    “black Americans are our fellow citizens and deserve respect”

    Individually perhaps; collectively no dice.

  52. Anonymous[792] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymouse

    I see what you’re saying, why can’t society have a sort of Gentlemen’s Agreement that while group IQ differences most probably have a substantial genetic component, it is hurtful and demeaning and potentially corrosive to intergroup relations to be openly and publically brandishing about this unfortunate reality.

    The problem is the Left will not stop blood libeling whites for the persistent socio-economic inferiority of blacks/mestizos, constantly and usually erroneously accusing them of “racism” and benefiting from “white privilege” and being irremediably evil and wicked.
    They are trying to bang a round peg into a square hole by constantly blaming whites for the elevated black crime, incarceration and poverty rates, their academic shortcomings, their poorer health, all while ignoring the IQ elephant in the room for these disparities.
    The Left has made the current situation untenable and something had got to give, both due to advancements in DNA research and the apparent belief of the modern Left that the seemingly laudable goal of equal treatment for the non-white inhabitants of the West isn’t merely enough; whites in fact should replaced in their own countries, something more and more of them are now apparently pushing back against, as evidenced by the rise of Trump et al.

    • Agree: West Reanimator, Rob
    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  53. benjaminl says:

    When are they going to Cancel the Textbooks?

    https://quillette.com/2019/06/05/superior-the-return-of-race-science-a-review/

    Psychometricians do not dispute the existence of a 10-15 point IQ gap between black and white Americans; they only debate its causes. Consider what some experts have written in mainstream textbooks:

    Nicholas Mackintosh: “It should be acknowledged, then, without further ado that there is a difference in average IQ between blacks and whites in the USA and Britain.”
    Nathan Brody: “There is a 1-standard deviation difference in IQ between the black and white population of the U.S. The black population of the U.S. scores 1 standard deviation lower than the white population on various tests of intelligence.”
    Earl Hunt: “There is some variation in the results, but not a great deal. The African American means [on intelligence tests] are about 1 standard deviation unit […] below the White means.”

  54. @Rob

    https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/glassessment.pdf

    [link may start a download if you are viewing on a mobile device]

    From the last page on this report we can see that the Black Caribbean IQ is measured to be 94.0 which is much higer than the IQs of Caribbean countries like Jamaica. One may put this down to migrants being more selected for intelligence but the vast majority of Caribbean migrants in the UK came in the aftermath of WW2 and there wasn’t some sort of skills test to make one eligible for immigration (1948 Nationality Act allowed anyone from the Commonwealth to immigrate). This to me is one piece of evidence that supports partial environmental causes.

    There has also been research done showing that first-cousin marriages depresses IQ as does iodine deficieny during childhood, these are also environmental factors.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    , @Rob
  55. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Stephen Miller is just pretending to me anti-immigration, Ann Coulter says he is one of the most influential voices and he has regularly blocked anti-immigration bills

    https://www.eutimes.net/2019/10/ann-coulter-exposes-white-house-advisor-stephen-miller-as-never-trumper/

  56. Lot says:
    @Rob

    “ So what is the most compelling evidence for an environmental cause?”

    Blacks adopted by white families.

    • Replies: @Rob
  57. OT – Perhaps someone can explain the 4d chess move of Trump commuting ex-Illinois governor Blagojevich’s prison sentence.

  58. guest says:
    @res

    Propaganda on the term “alt-right” must be lagging, otherwise they wouldn’t need to bother modifying it with “racist” and “antisemitic.” I mean, pick it up, people! They should be synonymous by now!

  59. Ed says:
    @Kronos

    The irony is that in the 60s through 70s it was widely acknowledged that blacks have lower IQs than whites. It was just thought it could be changed by gov’t intervention. So programs like Head Start were created. Richard Nixon, a firm believer of blacks and IQ, also supported affirmative action. As his thinking was that the more professional blacks would uplift others.

    Fifty years later, these interventions haven’t worked as much as the establishment hoped, so they are cracking down on folks blaming it on genetics or culture. You can still cite differences in IQ between the races but you have to blame the government or white man.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Kronos
    , @Anonymous
  60. Thirdeye says:

    However much of the difference in mean IQ is genetic, environmental, or cultural, there is one inescapable conclusion from the data: Trying to eliminate statistical differences in life outcomes through social engineering, quotas, and special programs is pure folly. The only sensible approach is to treat intelligence as something that resides in the individual and the individual only. Mean population IQ has nothing to do with the fact that that Barack Obama, duplicitous slimeball that he is, is way sharper than George W. Bush or Donald Trump.

    Stanford-Binet IQ was originally derived to provide the best estimate of cognitive ability with the least amount of social noise, to replace socially biased measurements that were prevalent in the early 20th century. There are decades’ worth of data validating its merit as a measure of cognitive ability. I’m willing to entertain the idea that there is a large cultural component to development of cognitive ability as measured by IQ. If cultural traits impair development of cognitive ability, it’s an indictment of the culture.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  61. @Kronos

    To officially recognize Black low-IQ will likely further open the floodgates of affirmative action.

    My intuition runs in the exact opposite direction. Public recognition of low black IQ could very well open the door to larger “direct” welfare benefits for blacks, but I think it would be the death knell of affirmative action. In fact I think that’s the reason that low black IQ is so vociferously denied– a huge percentage of the black middle class draws income from gigs for which they are not qualified, under the false premise that the metrics typically used to assess merit are invalid when it comes to blacks because of “structural racism” or some other hazy concept. This lie is required to square our society’s twin professed goals of SES equality and meritocracy. Once we admit low black IQ, affirmative action for any position involving significant responsibility to others (subway systems, anyone?) becomes much, much harder to defend. After all, we don’t have affirmative action for those with Down’s Syndrome.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  62. @J1234

    When Roots first hit, Coast Guardsmen were proud that one of our own had made it big. Photojournalist was said to be the most exclusive rating in the service. There were perhaps three of them.

    Of course, the bloom fell off the rose after a few years. (LeVar Burton, though, redeemed himself with Reading Rainbow.)

    From another story on your link:

    Brooklyn anti-violence advocate arrested for threatening neighbor had $282K salary on the city dime

    I don’t know what’s a more impressive name, Shanduke McPhatter, or Gangtas Making Astronomical Community Changes.

    The Spoonerism Phanduke McShatter might be more fitting.

  63. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    Head Start works to provide lots of government jobs for education majors. However it has no lasting effects. None. Every longitudinal test has shown that Head Start’s effects are gone by the 3rd grade. Third graders who went through a full Head Start program have the same reading ability and knowledge as students who didn’t go through it at all.

    Now the trend in many states is to mandate kindergarten (preschool) for 4 year olds. That’s right, 4 year old children are supposed to go to an all-day program that looks a lot like Head Start.

    Because the interventions have failed to deliver on the promises made in the 1960’s, censorship must become mandatory. That’s where cancel culture is heading, to make some things unsayable and therefore unthinkable. Orwell intended “1984” as a warning, not as a handbook – but the various flavors of leftism have taken it as one.

    • Agree: Ed, Kronos
  64. Muggles says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    >>The “Dark Enlightenment” and “NRx” are, indeed, so little known that no one has ever actually heard of them. But I guess that is precisely what makes them so dangerous. Or something.<<

    Yes, the invisible hand of the alt Right, or something. I think you might find them in those bands of roving Jew killing American Nazis soon to be hunted down on Amazon's The Hunt series. Robert de Niro and buddies form a group of Good Folks to hunt down these evil doers.

    I do recall from the late 60s that someone named George Lincoln Rockwell had some tiny band of swastika wearing idiots who marched around somewhere in Virginia. When they showed up someplace everyone was all agog. They weren't popular. Fuehrer George was later gunned down by one of his followers, for some reason. Not many cared about the reason actually. Soon after this his group disappeared. Most if not all of these tiny right-wing and/or left-wing self styled revolutionary outfits are run for profit. The Dear Leader is also the main dues collector and cashes the checks.

    Maybe Amazon (Jeff Bezos) and de Niro discovered where the armband boys all went, hiding and pining for Adolph. "Based on a true story" almost. So the ads say. Odd that the ADL never mentioned them. These neo Nazis, for all of their menace, seem to lack good PR. I guess they kept well hidden and unpublicized so de Niro and company wouldn't hunt them down and kill them. More Secret American History, straight from Hollywood. So believe it!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  65. Art Deco says:
    @J.Ross

    Haley made a great many mistakes, in part because he was a novice at genealogical research and in part because he just wasn’t a man of Kantian discipline. He and his last wife completed Roots in an 18 month marathon of writing and editing. She said, subsequently, that his work to date when she arrived on the scene was a big, heaping mess of material

    He subsequently got slapped with a plagiarism suit over dribs and drabs cribbed from the work of an academic named Harold Courlander. It’s a reasonable wager he’d forgotten about it by the time the book’s final draft was being produced and also that his wife wrote those passages never having met Courlander or having much sense of the significance of the notes he’d taken on Courlander’s work. Genealogists who’ve looked at his work think he misidentified ancestors five and six generations back, but that one can infer that his family did have some sort of connection with the Waller family of Spotsylvania County, Va.

    The one notably false note in the TV version was the portrayal of Europeans capturing slaves in the African back country (and concomitant refusal to portray the sort of tribal raiding and warfare which actually attended the capture of slaves, or the sale of slave to European traders by African traders. My hs history teacher explicitly noted this in class). Not sure if Haley was responsible for that or the screenwriters. There were five men given writing credits on the screenplay, including Haley himself.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  66. Travis says:
    @Kronos

    Doubt this will freak out the baby boomers, they are already collecting Social Security and realize that no politician will advocate any decrease in Social Security benefits…Nor do they care much about affirmative action , which no longer effects them directly since they are at the end of their careers or retired. The average Baby boomer is 67 years-old and collecting social security, if they are 60 and still working they are not looking for promotions and thus do not face the prospect of losing out to an affirmative action promotion.

    Boomers already know the reality of Blacks lower IQ , they mostly disagree about the cause of the lower IQs and typically blame inequality , poverty , and Black culture, etc… for the gaps. Boomers are more likely to know about the GAP in IQs than the millennials. They attended college when it was still acceptable to talk about the gaps. They can remember when affirmative action was introduced to help blacks close the gaps. Now everyone has realized that affirmative action has not reduced inequality , Blacks are still poorer than whites…

    Boomers are too stuck in their beliefs and thus will not adjust what they consider the causes of the Black-white gaps. Most of them don’t really bother trying to understand the reasons for the gaps, because they do not want to be called racist, so why bother trying to discover the causes. Easier to just stay out of the discussion or parrot what the establishment has been preaching for decades to avoid being chastised and shunned by polite society. There is no upside in speculating about the reasons for the gaps unless one blames whites. The leftist boomers have been blaming whites since they were young and nothing will change their beliefs now. It is almost impossible for a 60 year-old man to suddenly admit they have been wrong for the last 40 years. They have been blaming racism and hating on the deplorables for decades for having such uncouth views. No way to change their minds today 25 years after the Bell Curve promulgated controversial theory for the IQ gaps. Any boomers who bothered to read the Bell Curve saw that it was wise to keep their opinions to themselves back in 1994 or face the consequences. Thus most boomers would have avoided reading the book to avoid getting ostracized. There was no upside in 1994 , and their is no upside today for anyone to understand the racial gaps in IQ.

  67. Barnard says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Trump considers Blago a friend since his appearance on Celebrity Apprentice. He would do the same thing for Sinbad or Bret Michaels.

    I also read an argument that the sentence was considered excessive in light of the fact that none of the other corrupt, imprisoned former Governors of Illinois had sentences as long Blagojevich did. I didn’t find that terribly compelling, but what should the sentence be for unsuccessfully trying to sell a Senate seat?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  68. megabar says:

    I like to engage with people on twitter of all political stripes. I like arguing.

    The typical response of non-HBD types is simply that these measures of IQ are meaningless. Pressed, some will say that intelligence itself is a completely nonsensical notion, and that there is no innate ability to do, say, physics.

    The funny thing is, I really don’t expect people to agree with me. If people acknowledged that there is _evidence_ that there are racial gaps, but that they _believed_ that these gaps are environmental, I would disagree, but could accept that as a rational belief. But they will not move a millimeter.

    It’s strange how far they’ll go. I recently asked a woman if she’d prefer to live on an island of 1 million convicted violent felons, or 1 million college grads with no criminal record. She said it’s close, but if she had to pick one, she’d reluctantly pick the grads. She said the grads would be too boring though, and the felons would be passionate and iconoclastic. I am not exaggerating the exchange.

    • Replies: @Pincher Martin
  69. J.Ross says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Recall who it was that sent Blagojevich down.
    But yeah pardoning Milken is pretty much spelling it out for non-groypers.

  70. @Hypnotoad666

    But then again, the key skill in politics is being able to say the same banal, anodyne things over and over and over again, without letting it slip that you actually know better. I imagine that anyone with an extremely high IQ would find this process intolerable.

    A superstar politician needs to have a moderate IQ, a sociopathic ability to believe his own bullshit, and obsessive ambition.

    Yes and no. It’s true that politics asks for patience. But it’s not true, that the brighter ones can’t be patient.

  71. Barnard says:
    @Art Deco

    There is also the problem that the book Haley plagiarized was fiction and he was trying to pass off his version as non fiction. The mini series was presented to a much more trusting public audience than we have today as a true story. Your high school history teacher pointing out to students that Europeans didn’t capture slaves in the African interior would have been a rare exception to what students were taught about this history.

  72. guest says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    “Neoreaction” and “Dark Enlightenment” were fads on the internet years ago. Mencius Moldbug and all that. They still exist but have been eclipsed by the Populist Right.

    That quote sounds like someone in 2008 saying “With-it teens are groovin’ in the discos to the new hit: Macarena.”

  73. guest says:
    @Anonymouse

    You don’t see any advantage…I must ask: can you see the nose on your face?

    One word for you: the Gap.

  74. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s more to culture and kinship than race. I’m British, and used to be quite enthusiastic about the idea of white kinship but the reality is that the continentals will never see the British/Anglos as their kin, they mostly hate Anglos and look down on Anglo culture as inferior.

    An “Anglo” black man is more my kin than a Frenchman or a Spaniard, that’s the reality. A black man from an Anglo culture has an outlook and way of life far more similar to mine than a Frenchman or a Spaniard will ever have.

  75. @megabar

    It’s strange how far they’ll go. I recently asked a woman if she’d prefer to live on an island of 1 million convicted violent felons, or 1 million college grads with no criminal record. She said it’s close, but if she had to pick one, she’d reluctantly pick the grads. She said the grads would be too boring though, and the felons would be passionate and iconoclastic. I am not exaggerating the exchange.

    Tell her to move to Detroit for a year as a test of convictions. I bet her preferences for what she considers “passionate and iconoclastic” would shift dramatically within a few weeks of arrival.

    By the way, I completely believe your story. My wife told me she once had a female professor who told her class that she wanted to live in a world with the kind of variety that allowed for her daughter to grow up seeing homelessness and drug addiction.

    The sixties and seventies were filled with people who had many similar types of beliefs and were not shy about sharing them.

    • Replies: @megabar
    , @Muggles
  76. @MikeatMikedotMike

    A dig on Obama.

    Trump likely feels a solidarity with Blago over their mutually aggressive hairstyles. Blago was on The Apprentice and Trump probably just liked the guy. It is best not to overthink these things with Trump.

    Trump also appreciated that time when Blago manned up and took the blame for his team when they failed at the Harry Potter challenge.

  77. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @AndrewR

    Pathological altruism seems to be mainly an Anglo and maybe Northern European thing. I don’t find Slavs or Southern Europeans to be particularly altruistic, it’s not universally a white thing.

  78. I’ve done a great deal of research on this subject and determined that difference is entirely environmental. Blood test have proven conclusively that blacks have much higher exposure to zenite gas, which causes substantial cognitive impairment.

    • LOL: Muggles
  79. vinteuil says:
    @Spangel

    To be black is to have everyone, especially the SJW denialists, look at you and somewhere feel reminded of the spectre of the ghetto and all it entails- the looming sense of incompetence driven by primitive impulses.

    Where are you going with this?

  80. megabar says:
    @Pincher Martin

    > I bet her preferences for what she considers “passionate and iconoclastic” would shift dramatically within a few weeks of arrival.

    Ha! Yeah, I went that route, and she told me that she lived in a crime-filled area growing up, and she has friends from that demographic, and she just loved it all. You know, she’d learned so much from them.

    And in fact, it might even have shades of truth. There is, after all, a big difference between how a person functions in a given society, and what kind of society that person would build. Few seem to grasp this.

    She believes the felons would create a modern, prosperous society, but it’d be more vivid and thus better. And I don’t think it’s possible to convince her otherwise — at least not in the modern world, when so many will jump to tell her how right she is.

    • Replies: @martin_2
  81. @Anonymouse

    “”I see no good reason for the facts about racial IQ differences to be brandished as an ideological weapon.”

    Because it very largely explains differences in outcomes that shit-libs blame on White Rascism.

  82. Lot says:
    @Just Passing Through

    At least in the USA, econ history PhD is run by econ departments and requires high level math and stats.

    Someone with this general interest but low IQ could get a regular history degree, or something like a “public policy” PhD, and avoid all the math and stats. This guy didn’t.

    • Replies: @Jake
  83. martin_2 says:
    @megabar

    Chateau Heartiste had a theory that women prefer anarchy and strife over order and civility because it is only in a chaotic environment that the real alpha man comes to the fore and can be recognised for what he is. In a civilised world the alpha man is hidden.

    • Replies: @Bert
  84. Kronos says:
    @Ed

    Richard Nixon, a firm believer of blacks and IQ, also supported affirmative action. As his thinking was that the more professional blacks would uplift others.

    Sometimes being a fly on the wall for 30min is better than 20 years of social science experience. Nixon seems like a cool and pleasant guy in the phone conversation.

    The irony is that in the 60s through 70s it was widely acknowledged that blacks have lower IQs than whites.

    True, but they (behavioral psychologists and liberal politicians) really thought they figured the problem out and possessed a solution. The tragedy is that many WW2 and Silent Generation politicians (and Supreme Court Justices) equated the hard sciences with the social sciences. The former possesses merit while the latter in 75% crap. Many Boomers have established themselves in a false science that is steadily transforming into a false religion. It’s become an 1980s Episcopal dining club. Many who attend don’t really believe, but return for the business contacts that fuel money and prestige.

    • Replies: @Ed
  85. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    About the only way to prove this would be to set up a massive eugenics program for blacks and a dysgenic program for whites. If, for one generation, you only let black couples with IQs > 115 reproduce, and only let white couples with IQs < 85 reproduce, and two generations later the whites were outscoring the blacks, then it would be fairly clear. Otherwise, it could just be a matter of the IQ distribution for how the population is currently constituted, which is subject to change in the future.

  86. Anonymous[715] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel

    Of course blacks are going to fight against the acceptability of the belief that this incompetence is substantially due to genetic factors.

    You don’t really explain why.

  87. Anonymous[715] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rob

    but adoption’s improvement goes away by their twenties,

    What do you mean that “it goes away”?

    • Replies: @Rob
  88. Keypusher says:
    @Just Passing Through

    One may put this down to migrants being more selected for intelligence but the vast majority of Caribbean migrants in the UK came in the aftermath of WW2 and there wasn’t some sort of skills test to make one eligible for immigration (1948 Nationality Act allowed anyone from the Commonwealth to immigrate). This to me is one piece of evidence that supports partial environmental causes.

    Emigrants self-select for intelligence. The emigrant population is almost always brighter than the people who remain. There’s a lot to be done on the intelligence of different black populations, no question, but you can’t say “there wasn’t a formally selective immigration regime, therefore the emigrants shouldn’t be any smarter than the people who stay on the island.”

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @Just passing through
  89. @Lot

    Nope, there is zero doubt it is partly genetic and partly environmental. The twin studies, all by themselves, are conclusive as much as any study of human traits can be.

    It can be reasonably argued that the observed difference is entirely genetic. Of course, the relative contribution from either factor (genes, environment) is roughly 50/50, at least until old age, but the latter half of that measure — environment — is already accounted for in some circumstanes. Consider school performance. In a randomized sample of black / white students there will be a gap in nearly any academic measure under study. However, the gap itself could possibly be considered entirely genetic as long as the white / black students share equal environments — nutrition, school quality, etc. Presumably, both groups max out the environmental part and the difference in performance that remains results mostly from genetics, the part that can’t be altered. That’s probably why standardized testing performance gaps are intractable: all the juice from the environment* part has been squeezed out and what remains is the immutable genetic contribution. In this sense, Steve’s original post is possibly correct. You can indeed argue where this gap comes from as long as your argument is not the overall contribution of factors but the observed gap in performance itself. Sure, overall it’s 50/50 … but it may not be the case that the gap in school performance itself is necessarily 50% environment if all groups under consideration share equal environments.

    *Perhaps more can be squeezed out with bilingual education from an early age. Mandarin and Japanese are both difficult Asian languages that stand a reasonable chance of boosting IQs and, therefore, academic scores. However, even then there would still be a gap — mostly genetic — because all groups would get the benefits from the environmental contribution.

  90. Flip says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Commuting/pardoning various people so pardoning Stone won’t seem so bad?

  91. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @BPP

    Bushmen and Australian Aborigines make even full blooded sub saharan African negroes look quite smart.

  92. @AndrewR

    I think that 122 is far too generous for Barry. He can only be described as ‘high IQ’ in comparison to Eric Holder or Mike Tyson.

  93. @BPP

    There was an episode of “Good Times” about this, in which the mom came up with such a test which was basically a trivia test. “What was Malcolm X’s original last name?” was one question.

    Oddly, I suspect white people might still get better scores. I know “Little” was his name. How many black people do?

  94. gman says:

    there is a ‘donate button’ on every page but when i click it I get an error.

    https://www.paypal.com/webapps/shoppingcart/error?flowlogging_id=4d91322607f9b&code=AMOUNT_ERROR&#8221;

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  95. @J.Ross

    The intelligent de-industrialization of several agricultural practices would satisfy concerns about health, animal welfare, job creation (especially for minorities and less prosperous regions), the environment, vulnerability to disaster or terrorism, and flavor, but it would only be possible with industry cooperation.

    The problem grew organically ( 😉 ) but has become structural. The attempts at correcting the worst aspects of industrial farming had the unintended consequent of marginalizing smaller farms. NAFTA made things worse, but the process was well underway before then. It is much easier to re-purpose small operations than larger operations. The large ones are all heavily leveraged, and changes may put them under. Public policy ought to encourage (even subsidize) small operations that use “sustainable” practices. The government would sell it as “self-realization for barnyard animals” or some such appeal to urban hypocrites.

    Someone would have to keep Peter Singer from screwing calves, but maybe they could hire a PETA halfwit to follow him around to be sure he does not bugger an innocent, helpless calf. That is, assuming you can find a PETA member that is not a calf-buggering member. Is there a PETA woman up to the challenge?

  96. Anonymous[715] • Disclaimer says:
    @res

    The authors then pointed out that within applications for jobs of the same level of cognitive complexity the difference was considerably reduced, in some cases to only about .7 standard deviations. Roth et al.

    How meaningful is 0.7 of a standard deviation?

    • Replies: @res
  97. Anonymous[715] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed

    You can still cite differences in IQ between the races but you have to blame the government or white man.

    It isn’t differences in IQ. It is differences in outcomes on certain “IQ” tests.

    • Replies: @anon
  98. Jake says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Liberals assert that racism trumps genetics, which explains everything bad about blacks.

    If liberals really believe that and do not secretly despise their black pets, then they would demand a new segregation to keep their black pets from being around the racist whites./

  99. Jake says:
    @Lot

    Not true across the board: “At least in the USA, econ history PhD is run by econ departments and requires high level math and stats.”

    And when it is true, that is not going to save the degree when the Econ department is controlled fully by the Woke. They, like their predecessors the 19th century Yank WASPs, toss out all standards to promote their beloved Numinous Negroes.

  100. @Anonymouse

    That’s fine until you decide they need a handicap for medical residencies or airline pilot slots. Or less stringent background checks for tenancy or employment.

  101. gregor says:
    @Anonymous

    See the earlier Boris Johnson story.

    The resignation came after silence from Downing Street about an adviser who once said blacks have lower IQs than whites.

    Note that it explicitly says IQ.

    It is not settled science that these tests in fact measure “intelligence.”

    You see this idea a lot in the popular media but it’s not a common view among specialists, including liberal ones.

    Even Turkheimer et al conceded this point in their Vox article bashing Murray.

    We believe there is a fairly wide consensus among behavioral scientists in favor of our views, but there is undeniably a range of opinions in the scientific community. Some well-informed scientists hold views closer to Murray’s than to ours. And there are others who challenge views that we accept about the utility of the general concepts of intelligence and heritability. What we attempt to do here is shed light on the status of Murray’s claims and logic in a way that Harris failed to do in the interview.

    Let’s take Murray’s principles one at a time.

    Intelligence is meaningful. This principle comes closest to being universally accepted by scientific psychologists. Every clinical psychology program in the country trains students in IQ testing, tens of thousands of IQ tests are given in schools every year, and papers in mainstream scientific journals routinely include information about intelligence, even when IQ is not the main object of study. On a more basic level, who doesn’t notice that some people have larger vocabularies than others, can solve harder math problems or organize more complex projects? IQ tests reliably assess these individual differences. Moreover, people who do well on one kind of ability test also tend to do well on others, a phenomenon that is referred to as g, as in general intelligence.

    • Replies: @Anon
  102. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Answer: largely due to genetics.

    The only doubt I have about that would related to black performance in the UK. For instance, in Unherd today,

    https://unherd.com/2020/02/eugenics-is-possible-is-not-the-same-as-eugenics-is-good/

    Dawkins, to my knowledge, never explained why he suddenly brought up eugenics out of a clear blue sky, but the word is in the news at the moment because Dominic Cummings hired the weirdo he wanted to hire, a man called Andrew Sabisky. Inevitably enough, the media has gone through his old social media posts and found various things he’s said, and he has since quit.

    For the record: some of it is genuinely unsettling, for instance that “there are excellent reasons to think the very real racial differences in intelligence are significantly — even mostly — genetic in origin”. This is, I think, not true — I don’t know how you square it with the simple fact that poor black boys in the UK get better educational outcomes than poor white boys, for instance. And none of this should be seen as a defence of Sabisky’s hiring. (Watch me perform the decoupling ritual: will it work?)

    Also, see the UK data in the the articles here at Unz by Chanda Chisala:

    https://www.unz.com/author/chanda-chisala/

    The massively convincing U.S. data overwhelms this U.K. data, but but I would still like an explanation of the U.K. data before going all in on genetics. Even a half genetics explanation doesn’t square with the U.K. data.

    • Replies: @Peterike
    , @bomag
    , @Anonymous
  103. @gman

    Sorry, I have to figure out how to make that work.

  104. @res

    It’s not extreme at all for what’s become of the Guardian. Their web has become so tangled it’s a wonder they can still put out a paper at all.

  105. • Replies: @Mr McKenna
  106. @Anonymous

    Another strong contribution, thanks.

    (Sorry but my ‘accolade’ button won’t work again until tomorrow night.)

  107. anon[552] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It isn’t differences in IQ. It is differences in outcomes on certain “IQ” tests

    1. Aren’t the tests reliable? Especially when we are dealing with groups not individuals — I’m making an assumption here.

    2. Also it would help me (and possibly others) to follow your arguments if you got a handle. You don’t have to use a real email address.

  108. res says:
    @Anonymous

    First, remember the qualifier about self selection immediately following that. Then consider that if one is trying to achieve population-proportionate representation (to avoid disparate impact) that selection is undone and we are effectively back to a full SD difference.

    But to answer your question. That 0.7 SD is what is typically referred to as Cohen’s d. A common measure of the magnitude of the difference between groups which is a great search term for learning more about this.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohen%27s_h

    This wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_size#Cohen’s_d
    describes 0.5 as a medium effect size and 0.8 as large. As another data point, the height difference between men and women has a Cohen’s d of 1.72
    https://figshare.com/articles/Illustrative_effect_sizes_for_sex_differences/866802

    As for the actual magnitude of the differences, this visualizer is helpful (set it to 0.7):
    https://rpsychologist.com/d3/cohend/
    Some salient numbers.
    – This corresponds to a mean IQ difference of 10.5 (IQ SD 15).
    – If one person is picked at random from each group the probability the person from the higher scoring group will have a higher score is 69%.
    – The SAT has an SD of 210 so this would be equivalent to an average SAT score difference of 147.

  109. @Desiderius

    Wow, she’s really going full-tilt, isn’t she? First she dares to say that in some rare cases, women bear a tiny amount of responsibility for the situations they get themselves into, and now this. I hope she has a safe place to live.

  110. There is no gap and if there is all geneticist AGREE that there is no genetic basis for it

    • LOL: res
  111. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    To fight this lie, and all its pernicious consequences, we need to be able to point out the true reason for Black under-performance — namely, that Blacks are approximately one standard deviation below Whites in IQ.

    Not in IQ though. The gap is only in certain administered tests that purport to measure “IQ.”

  112. Peterike says:
    @Anon

    “but but I would still like an explanation of the U.K. data before going all in on genetics.”

    Because lower class U.K. whites are told for their entire lives that they are worthless human garbage. They just don’t try. Why should they? The entirety of the U.K. ruling class despises them and keeps them outside the respectable mainstream. They are psychologically devastated. It’s worse then shell shock. They turn to booze and sex and the dole. What the fookin point of yer daft test? They’ll just give the jobs to the wogs anyway.

    • Replies: @Anon
  113. Anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cranberries

    In fact I think that’s the reason that low black IQ is so vociferously denied–

    The main reason it is vociferously denied is because, if it were made known, it would deter White women from engaging in sexual relations with blacks—which would put in jeopardy the project to mix Whites out of existence.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  114. Truth is not a defense against getting fired or shot and then thrown in a ditch

    Whether its true or not that some group is higher or lower IQ really doesn’t matter at all

  115. Rob says:
    @Just Passing Through

    The CAT test result is certainly interesting. I do think immigrants tend to be a bit smarter than stay at homes (of the same class). Even unselected immigration is expensive, which favors savers, and saving requires a low time preference. Even if family members pay, that points to a family that can save, meaning the immigrants come from better stock. Certainly the lumpenproletariat doesn’t have enough on the ball.

    How black are black Caribbeans in Britain? The Wikipedia entry on white Jamaicans says most mixed race people report as black. I’ve heard that Rihanna was called white in school in Barbados. I’ve also read that there are people in the Caribbean who are considered white there, but black here. Though the 20% white admixture has not done much for our blacks.

    I found a site that gives some facts about caribbean blacks in Britain. The blacks underperform, but not as dramatically as US blacks. Like they have twice the suspension rates in school and 3 times the expulsion rate. They live in less segregated areas than US blacks. So maybe the culture they create when left to themselves is diluted by interaction with non-blacks. Sucks for the non-blacks.

  116. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @gregor

    Even Turkheimer et al conceded this point in their Vox article bashing Murray.

    This article, the Noam Stein response, and the Turkheimer et al. second article in Vox are really core readings on this stuff. Turkheimer’s original Vox article was my entree into this whole field. I came to it from a bunch of tweet links along the lines of “Nazi Murray Destroyed!” The title made it sound like that, certainly: “Charles Murray is once again peddling junk science about race and IQ.” Did a subeditor write that? At any rate, the article, when stripped down, said “There’s this Murray guy who co-wrote a book. The book is completely correct, except for two points: The gap is 2/3 SD, not 1 SD; and the gap is probably 100 percent environmental, not partially genetic as Murray claimed [note: I later read the Bell Curve, and I dispute that Hernnstein and Murray made any such claim]. Why were Murray haters tweeting out this link?! Did they even read it? If they read it were they distracted by the vague PC framing, missing what it actually said about the state of the science?

    P.S.: The sequel in Vox was titled “There’s still no good reason to believe black-white IQ differences are due to genes: Our response to criticisms.” Hahaha! Let’s unpack this title, which I suspect Turkheimer insisted on after the embarrassingly clickbaity first title.

    — “black-white IQ differences”: The gap is implicitly assumed to exist in the title itself.

    — “still no good reason … due to genes”: There is existing evidence that the gap is due to genes (which we will not state), but right now we don’t think the evidence is “good” (good equaling dispositive? compelling? convincing? what?). But there may be “good” evidence coming down the road (“still no” means “right now,” “not yet”).

    The fact that you can refer people to articles in friggin’ Vox on this stuff is amazing. The same stuff written at Unz would not be taken seriously. Props to Ezra Klein for not deleting the pieces.

    Links below the break:

    [MORE]

    Charles Murray is once again peddling junk science about race and IQ

    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech

    The cherry picked science in Vox’s Charles Murray article

    https://medium.com/@houstoneuler/the-cherry-picked-science-in-voxs-charles-murray-article-bd534a9c4476

    There’s still no good reason to believe black-white IQ differences are due to genes

    https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/6/15/15797120/race-black-white-iq-response-critics

    • Thanks: gregor
  117. Slimer says:
    @Lot

    We actually do know why there’s a black-white gap in intelligence, if we recall that Ron Unz wrote a whole series of articles debunking the genetic hypothesis:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/#related-series

    And that Chanda Chisala wrote a whole series of articles debunking the genetic hypothesis:

    https://www.unz.com/author/chanda-chisala/

    https://jasonbayz.wordpress.com/2017/09/18/changing-my-mind-about-race-and-iq/

    Anti-black racism has very little to do with intelligence, or even violent crime. It’s mostly a form of lookism, motivated by an almost universal disliking of African physical features. It’s the reason why non-black people call black people monkeys, but are also kind of afraid of blacks because they often have sharper bones, which makes getting punched by a black result in a sort of stinging sensation, whereas getting punched by a member of another race feels more like getting hit by a blunt object. So, while there isn’t much evidence of blacks having higher testosterone, or a lower genetic potential for intelligence, most people would agree that blacks, in some sense, have better bone structure but are also ugly at the same time.

    If given the choice between associating with a white, a middle easterner, a native american, an east asian or a black, all of equal intelligence and morality, almost everyone would choose the black person as a last a resort because they look the most different:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/discrimination-at-work-you-see-africans-with-phds-driving-taxis-1.3692510

    Focusing on intelligence only serves to give an air of sophistication to something that’s much more primal, if a tad embarrassing to admit in societies that strive to be polite.

    With regards to civilization building:

    Often the mobilizing principle here is warfare between groups over scare resources, rather than a determined effort to demonstrate the superior intelligence of one’s tribe. From the table on page 251 of the following link

    http://www.manning.pitt.edu/pdf/2010.AfricanPopulation.pdf

    one might extrapolate that, throughout most of recorded history, Africa had a much smaller population than the continents of Europe and Asia. With a small population and vast amounts of land, from whence comes the motivation to innovate or even to work particularly hard? It would seem that black Africa, with its abundant natural resources and little competition from the outside world, might have developed a lesser work ethic, if not a lesser degree of intelligence. Like it or not, scientists will never fully understand the relationship between genes and intelligence, but most people nonetheless accept it as truth that we inherit behaviors from our ancestors. Therefore, it’s not unreasonable to hold the position that blacks lag behind others because their ancestors were more accustomed to a life of leisure than work . This, of course, runs contrary to the growing liberal narrative that Africa fell behind because it was “doomed by geography” and says nothing of the fact that “heritable” and “immutable” are two different things.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    , @Lot
  118. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Muggles

    Duh! Al Pacino, not Robert De Niro.

    • Agree: Muggles
    • Replies: @duncsbaby
  119. Rob says:
    @Lot

    Does this really point to a truly environmentalmental cause though? Homes and neighborhoods aren’t handed out randomly from on high. Home environment is the product of the parents’ behavior, which has a strong genetic component. So the adopted blacks live in stable two parent homes in safe, peaceful neighborhoods. But the black bastardized rate certainly must have a genetic component and some nonzero heritability, mediated through male behavior, female behavior, or both. The safe, peaceful neighborhoods are the product of the residents’ behaviors, all of which have heritabilities.

    I would be able to accept, say, lead as being a real environmental affect. Lead exposure is only the product of behavior in that newer, more expensive housing away from highways and lots of traffic can be bought with money, the earning of which is the product of behavior.

    Even if you don’t think home environment is partially the result of genes, the adoption effect mostly wore off on the full blacks by age 17. As shared environment has no effect on the correlation of white adoptees’ IQ with their unrelated siblings, it is plausible (though uncertain) that home environment will have no effect on black adoptees’ IQ.

  120. @Thirdeye

    Barack Obama, duplicitous slimeball that he is, is way sharper than George W. Bush or Donald Trump.

    Which is why I’ve tried to explain to people that Donald Trump isn’t as dangerous as, say, Hillary Clinton. It’s quite possible that he’ll blunder his way into spectacular error one day, but it’ll be by accident. He’s not capable of the degree of evil that motivates our progressive types.

    Blaise Pascal: “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” –And as we’ve noted here many times, we’re up against a religion.

  121. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    I’m sure there’s a genetic component, but we shouldn’t disregard the contribution of the anti-intellectual blame-whitey victim culture actively promoted by the “progressive” Establishment. It’s very convenient for the powers that be to foster a permanent underclass.

  122. megabar says:
    @Anonymous

    > It is not settled science that these tests in fact measure “intelligence.”

    You are right in the sense that complex things that we can not realistically perform interventional experiments on are never fully settled.

    But it is settled enough that I conclude it’s far riskier to follow progressive prescriptions than it is to follow nationalist prescriptions.

  123. @Slimer

    You’ve just laid out a perfectly valid case for the cause of genetic intelligence differences — adaptation to the environment.

    • Replies: @Slimer
    , @ben tillman
  124. Pheasant says:
    @Joe Stalin

    Sailer popularised it as a founding member of the whole hbd thing (originally an email list). Thry are too ignorant to know the difference.

  125. SafeNow says:

    The U.S. is a rich country, and managed to cope with this Black gap for decades, utilizing a giant safety net, affirmative action, private schools, private security, and self-segregation. And would have coped forever; this gap was costly and frustrating, but manageable (assuming you didn’t get murdered). However, flooding the country with Hispanics changed that. The financial cost, and the political cost, and the Idiocracy cost, of two gaps, is unmanageable.

  126. Rob says:
    @Anonymous

    I actually got it wrong. In whites, heritability of IQ goes from around .4 to around .8. Shared environment IQ correlation for twins and adopted siblings goes to roughly 0. That’s for whites, though. We don’t actually know whether blacks adopted by whites have any IQ correlation with their white nonbiological siblinfs.

    In the Minnesota transracial adoption study, the IQ of mulattoes adopted by bright middle class whites dropped from 105 to 93 to from from age 7 to 17. White adoptees dropped from 105 to 93, and half blacks went from 91 to 84. The full table is at the Wikipedia page for the Minnesota transracial adoption study.

    So when whites raise blacks, they get a small IQ boost at young ages, but the boost wears off before they’re done with high school. The best evidence we have shows that whites adopting black children doesn’t raise their IQ. Plus, the blacks felt some pull of black culture, probably because it better matched their natural inclinations. So it’s not even clear that we can improve their behavioral outcomes.

  127. Ed says:
    @Kronos

    He mentions Liberia & Haiti as being the oldest black countries. Some 40 plus years later both are actually worse today then when he was president. The part about him not mentioning these things but knowing them as a leader is spot on. I think Trump follows this example but is not as guarded about it as Nixon. Hence the shithole comments.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  128. Slimer says:
    @Fidelios Automata

    I laid out a perfectly valid case for behavioral differences, not intelligence differences. I also reminded you all that the genetic hypothesis has already been debunked, by the very owner of the website you’re posting on, along with a host of others who’ve actually studied the data. We know that children of drug users are more prone to doing drugs themselves, even when raised in a drug free environment. But that doesn’t mean the behavior is immutable.

  129. Slimer says:

    ^^^ And if that’s too hard to understand, you might wanna take an IQ test and see where you lie on the spectrum 🙂

  130. It’s not an open question. It is, fundamentally, the same reason there are thousands of shiftless vagrants on the streets of Los Angeles but no one is homeless (at least not for long!) in Barrow* or Archangelsk. The genetics follows from that, since natural selection selects based upon environmental stimuli.

    *I don’t care what the communists are calling it, or Mount McKinley.

  131. Kronos says:
    @Ed

    The part about him not mentioning these things but knowing them as a leader is spot on. I think Trump follows this example but is not as guarded about it as Nixon. Hence the shithole comments.

    Nixon didn’t have Twitter. Also, the liberal media was much stronger, healthier, (and smarter) back then. They didn’t cancel their best writers/reporters and replace them with SJW drivel. One of Pat Buchanan’s jobs working under Nixon was figuring out which sentence the NYT’s would quote for their story. Everything the President said or did was filtered by the media establishment. Thankfully, that’s no longer so much the case.

  132. Lot says:
    @Slimer

    Your comment is an incoherent mess, much like Chanda Chisala‘s articles.

  133. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Spangel

    Well stated.

    Lack of impulse control and lower conscientiousness may be bigger detriments for Blacks than their lower IQs.

    This has been my observations with whites also , the biggest detriments holding people back are mostly due to a lack of conscientiousness and impulse control.

  134. Kronos says:
    @Anonymous

    Hardly, those are just bottom feeder women who are too fat/ugly for anything else besides cheap black alphas(?) Both Gen X and Millennial white men are increasingly aware of the numerous pitfalls of marriage, divorce, and crippling child support. Either they go MGTOW or become decent pickup artist pump and dumpers. In today’s (Sexual Market Value) there’s hardly any quality men or women for the leftovers. Black men are typically too impulsive to weigh the pros and cons of dating a fat tattooed feminist. But he’s the only one those chicks have available.

    The Bilderberg types understand that race mixing with blacks is a bad idea. They don’t work, possess low IQ, and are very violent. Not the traits you want in a serf. (Also they’re too broke to buy fun Capitalist toys that keep the global system moving. “Nigga can you even Excel?!)

    That’s why they typically never do it. But since 1968 nobody (FreeMasons, Illuminati, Jews) have ever been able to reign in the self-destructive behavior of the Baby Boomers. They can direct Boomers occasionally within certain limits but can’t rebuild the strong social controls that were in place before the 1960s, much less those before World War I. Easier to allow a new working class (Mexicans/Latins) and new elite blood (East Asians) than clamp down on feminism and reestablish legal equilibrium amongst white males. Boomers financially kill their young, that simple. The higher ups can only limit the damage. Whites still have a role to play, but it’ll get brighter the further away from the baby boomers. (So maybe wait until 2035?)

    https://therationalmale.com/tag/8020-rule/

    https://i0.wp.com/therationalmale.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/hypergamy-in-a-pic.jpg?resize=500%2C483&ssl=1

    https://i1.wp.com/therationalmale.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/mating_cad_dad-copy.jpg?resize=490%2C349&ssl=1

  135. duncsbaby says:
    @Just Passing Through

    AndrewR was talking about (Barry) Obama’s IQ, not Kwasi’s.

  136. @MikeatMikedotMike

    For what it’s worth, I’ll give Trump credit for doing his pardons in the light of day before he stands for reelection. The tradition is to do them more or less on your last day in office just as you sneak out of town.

    The most egregious example being Bill Clinton’s pardon of fugitive financier-felon Marc Rich, for which Clinton received a big donation to his Presidential Library, IIRC.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  137. Felix M says:

    Disclaimer suggests that, “Lack of impulse control and lower conscientiousness may be bigger detriments for Blacks than their lower IQs.”

    These factors were exacerbated when, in the 60s and after, we moved generally to unfettered self expression. Not good for whites but not disastrous.

    But a disaster for blacks. Instead of young black men aiming for jobs as military, police, teachers, or preachers, they now want to be basketball or rap stars. Instead of achievable goals (which would also contribute to social cohesion), they pursue fantasy outcomes comparable to winning the lottery.

    “Follow your dream”, a recipe for wide spread disaster. Especially for those with more limited capacity for realistic problem solving.

    • Agree: Triumph104, res
  138. Bert says:
    @martin_2

    Chateau Heartiste and its commentariat tended to exaggerate. Here’s the real information on human sex differences in psychology.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331903155_The_reality_and_evolutionary_significance_of_human_psychological_sex_differences

    And for what it is worth, Napoleon Chagnon was tougher than any Yanamamo that he studied.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  139. @YetAnotherAnon

    The nose on the guy in the blue shirt and orange tie is drawn all wrong.

  140. @Bert

    Famous anthropologists tend to be Big Personalities. I have to wonder what the effect is on some primitive tribe when a legendary personality like Napoleon Chagnon or Margaret Mead or Franz Boas shows up in their village and say, “Never mind me, I’ll just be taking notes and asking questions.”

  141. duncsbaby says:
    @Anonymous

    Those Eye-talians all look alike!

  142. @Steve Sailer

    I know a number of anthropologists who don’t do studies of “primitive tribes,” they are actually studying your next door neighbors and the people who eat at that good Mexican place across the street from the Starbucks, and they are very good at what they do, and they aren’t telling anybody about it.

  143. Aldon says:

    I have no doubt that at least some of the denial of the obvious inborn behavioral difference here is courtesy of the MSM.

    If you had no real experience with Kunta Kintes outside of movies and that one friend who’s one, you’d think they were all either:

    A. “Cool” suited Idris Elba or Sam Jackson types

    B. Ghetto thugs who wage war on Whitey with no fear

    C. Sassy and wise Black womyn who are totally desirable by non-cuck or degenerate men.

    D. Lone Black masters of tech like Kang Panther’s sister.

    In other words, Hollywood needs to be burnt down.

  144. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    If Napoleon Chagnon had done an anthropological study of a Pop Warner football team, I could imagine it going like this:

    Chagnon shows up, tells everybody to pay no attention to him while he takes notes.

    Team loses first game 42-0.

    The team dads get together, fire the coach and hire Chagnon to replace him.

    Inspired by their awesomely masculine new coach, the team goes undefeated the rest of the way.

    Chagnon writes a book entitled “The Fierce Team.”

    • Replies: @black sea
  145. @Keypusher

    I agree with you, however one would have expected regression towards the mean to have taken place by now. And if after this phenomenon has taken place the Caribbean. IQ turns out to be 94, then the IQ of the original immigrants would surely must have been 110+, and I doubt there are that many Jamaicans with an IQ above 110 considering Jamaica’s mean IQ is said to be 71.

    I don’t think there has been much immigration from the Caribbean since those early days, most black immigrants are from Nigeria or Kenya these days.

  146. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:

    White women on average seem to prefer blacks or at the very least have no racial preference. From what I’ve seen the average black man in a white majority country seems to do significantly better with white women than the average white man in that country does.

    I would say that this preference is probably more skewed towards lower class white women but they definitely seem to do better on average.

  147. Anonymous[749] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I know a number of anthropologists who don’t do studies of “primitive tribes,” they are actually studying your next door neighbors and the people who eat at that good Mexican place across the street from the Starbucks,

    Can you provide citations to some of their work?

    and they are very good at what they do

    What are the skills that make an anthropologist good? How can you tell what a good one is?

  148. black sea says:
    @Steve Sailer

    The Yanomamö used to love telling Chagnon increasingly outrageous lies. Apparently, he took it in good humor. His Noble Savages is well worth reading.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  149. @Spangel

    it should be fairly obvious why coming from racial stock of markedly lower IQ compared to other groups is a tremendous challenge to one’s self concept and ego, even if that individual has a high IQ.

    It’s not at all obvious. Being dumb yet physically superior is probably a lot of fun. Big equipment, small cranium. You can strut, rut, boogie, jive, jack, rap, ball, bang, and represent without crippling awkwardness or excess self-awareness. No need to get distracted with theories, rules, or other uptight boosheet, let those other suckas mess with that.

    This is all reflected in the survey data: blacks consistently have the highest self-esteem. We can even recall those in whom it goes so high that it becomes megalomaniacal. Sure there’s a lot of downside, but from that perspective who give a f? Of course from ours, we really need to.

  150. @onetwothree

    What was Malcolm X’s original last name?

    Shit, I thought it was Shabazz. I didn’t realize that was a Muslim appellation.

    As an aside, Malcolm X’s widow Betty was killed by their grandson Malcolm Latif via arson when he was 12. Malcolm Latif himself was killed in Mexico when he was 28 because he wouldn’t pay his booze-and-whore tab.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  151. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @ScarletNumber

    It’s interesting how if Malcolm Latif had been murdered in the same circumstances in the US, it would have been characterised as a racist “white supremacist” murder (even if the perps were Mexican), yet when it happens in Mexico it’s just a murder over money, no one even considers any possible racial element.

  152. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I know a number of anthropologists who don’t do studies of “primitive tribes,”

    In Animal House, Pinto’s date was majoring in primitive cultures.

  153. @onetwothree

    There was an episode of “Good Times” about this, in which the mom came up with such a test which was basically a trivia test.

    There was also an episode of Diff’rent Strokes with the same plot point, after Willis and Arnold couldn’t get into Mr. Drummond’s prep school. Coincidentally both episodes were directed by Herbert Kenwith.

  154. @Anonymous

    The thing is, these tests only confirm what life shows us.

    • Agree: bomag, ben tillman
  155. Anonymous[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @black sea

    The Yanomamö used to love telling Chagnon increasingly outrageous lies.

    Citation needed.

    • Replies: @black sea
  156. Jack D says:
    @Barnard

    In general, US sentences (especially Federal ones, since there is no Federal parole) are ridiculously long by world standards. What is the point of putting non-violent criminals away for decades and decades?

    Federal prosecutions often have a political element to them. There are plenty of corrupt politicians but only certain ones get targeted for Federal prosecution when for some reason they fall from favor with the powers that be. We can see this clearly in places like Russia or China but the US is not that different.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  157. Jack D says:
    @onetwothree

    Unless you make the test one that revolves solely around knowledge of rappers and illegal activity (and maybe even then), white people are always going to do better. It’s literally impossible (and not for lack of trying) to design a legitimate intellectual test on which blacks will do better. A little known fact is that blacks do WORSE on the non-verbal parts of the IQ test (e.g. geometric problems) relative to those that require knowledge of facts.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
  158. Blacks are a LOT smarter than Whites. Those honest ARSES @ Harris Fowler know that fabric Lou’s blacks are cool & sharpsuited while White idiots stumble everywhere. Whole the Rats at Admiral know Blacks fix everything while White Men need to be told by female captains (1 of 6 million lies, there were in real history none) put SPMs right!!!

  159. @Hypnotoad666

    He’s a class act.

    As I understand it Milken was an OG victim of the Pink Police State, AWFL judge division. Not that what he was up to should have been legal in retrospect. A case can be made either way.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  160. @Jack D

    How about putting balls through hoops in coordinated teams or 100-yard dashes, say.

  161. @Anonymous

    There’s a whole generation of people nicely indoctrinated with globo/homo propaganda in Romania now.

    It’s all about “being tolerant” and all the other cancerous ideas…

    The Eastern Europe of yesteryear is fast going towards assimilation, maybe not **quite** in the “pathological altruism” sense of your comment but in that the brainwashing and the virtue signaling are firmly rooted in the leaders of tomorrow.

    Hold on to your underoos…!

  162. @Desiderius

    Not that what he was up to should have been legal in retrospect.

    I believe they nailed Milkin on some theory that he was such a big part of the junk bond market that all his trades were necessarily based on his inside information as to what he himself intended to do in the market, or something really abstract like that.

    These finance “crimes” are sometimes really technical and murky. There’s a real problem when you combine vague laws, complex transactions, and politicized prosecution. Especially as there is no way an average juror can assess any of it, and will vote by whether the person seems too rich or “looks guilty” or something.

    In any event, Milkin had to do a little time in Club Fed but got to keep 90% of his billions. He has given a lot to various charities and a lot of stuff here in LA has his name on it.

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  163. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    Never said it was. Excuse me for not qualifying my claim enough for your taste.

  164. @Hypnotoad666

    What I read back in the day said that the ladies who lunched with Kimba Wood were offended that Milken was stepping on their husbands’ white shoes so she lowered the hammer without having an inkling of anything regarding the law. Similar to what’s happening to Stone. Mean girls don’t belong on the bench if you want anything approaching justice.

    That said, Milken then and Stone now are real pieces of work so not the best test cases. Still, this is what a pardon is for and Trump as with much else has wielded it well.

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  165. Muggles says:
    @Pincher Martin

    >>By the way, I completely believe your story. My wife told me she once had a female professor who told her class that she wanted to live in a world with the kind of variety that allowed for her daughter to grow up seeing homelessness and drug addiction.

    The sixties and seventies were filled with people who had many similar types of beliefs and were not shy about sharing them.<<

    It has been true since at least the 1950s and later that fiction based upon supposed Underclass life has been pretty popular with middle/upper class white people (mainly white). John Steinbeck, Jack Kerouac, and many others including a number of autobiographers. These accounts are often travel related or stories of early adulthood in hard circumstances. Some are simply "slice of life" looks at people and places most never venture to or know.

    To some extent these have always been popular but I don't think wartime or Depression era generations found a lot to love in tales of hardship and/or weirdness. It is however a safe way of learning about this without personally experiencing it. Now Drug Addict Memoirs serve much the same audience. Helpful if romantically inclined young readers know someone who has lived that first hand.

    Growing up lower middle class (as I did) or worse dims the rosy view of these things. Yes, colorful and wonderful people exist in the depths. Fun and exciting stuff at times. But dysfunctional lifestyles, criminal personality, and failed lives are not so much fun in reality. Peasants dream of being royalty, not being peasants from across the river.

  166. Dani says:
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Fidelios Automata, Very well said. This is what we currently see coming to greater fruition all around us. They seem to have most of the major U.S. cities in check and unfortunately now the suburb creep is creeping and these, too, will be majority-ruled by the “underclass”.

  167. bomag says:
    @Anon

    I would still like an explanation of the U.K. data…

    Chanda Chisala seems a decent enough guy, but the problem is that he selects a few studies instead of a survey of the field.

    In any large field of the social sciences, there are going to be anomalies; counter-examples; and noise.

    Even so, in the main, the charts he cites shows the usual distribution: Chinese on top; Whites in the middle; Congolese at the bottom.

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  168. Pericles says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    There is a certain sense of kayfabe in the air.

  169. @Desiderius

    What I read back in the day said that the ladies who lunched with Kimba Wood were offended that Milken was stepping on their husbands’ white shoes so she lowered the hammer without having an inkling of anything regarding the law. Similar to what’s happening to Stone. Mean girls don’t belong on the bench if you want anything approaching justice.

    Kimba Wood may be a mean girl now. But she was once a hot girl. Indeed, how many federal judges can say that they used to be a Playboy Bunny.

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  170. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @bomag

    Chanda Chisala seems a decent enough guy, but the problem is that he selects a few studies instead of a survey of the field.

  171. Yngvar says:

    One can only do so much.

    «Mikaela Spielberg, Steven Spielberg’s [adopted black] daughter, comes out as porn star.»

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/mikaela-spielberg-steven-spielbergs-daughter-comes-out-as-porn-star/

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    , @Triumph104
  172. @Hypnotoad666

    Woman that fine belongs on a throne. Which is why I suppose we put her on the bench.

  173. @Fidelios Automata

    You’ve just laid out a perfectly valid case for the cause of genetic intelligence differences — adaptation to the environment.

    Yes. And it overlaps Rushton’s theory at least a bit.

  174. @Whiskey

    Lower natural iq = higher aggression and violence = higher male sexiness = higher birthrate. No woman ever said she likes smart guys.

    For millions of American women, intelligence is at the top of the list.

  175. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peterike

    Because lower class U.K. whites are told for their entire lives that they are worthless human garbage. They just don’t try.

    It’s my understanding that this would not effect IQ tests to a great extent. They are tuned to measure g, inherent cognitive aptitude, not s, acquired, learned information. This is imperfect, but a century of psychometrics hass brought the tests pretty close to it.

    Also, asymetries in the normal distribution would be picked up on by researchers if white results were attenuated to the left or double humped.

    And why would lower class whites be disproportionately affected by “shell shock” over impoverished U.K. blacks (even if the tests were measuring s)? If such theories are true, research protocols could be developed and evidence could be produced to support them.

    Your idea sound as flaky and untested as the U.S. theories of “blacks are stressed out by stress from microaggressions and shock from learning about their brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, so they just weirdly perform 1 standard deviation below whites because their minds are distracted by stress during tests. But basketball causes anti stress hormones to be released and temporarily liberates them. Oh, and they weirdly are exposed to the right mount of lead to cause a 1 standard deviation drop in IQ. Even though this gap is measured in childhood and does not increase as they age.”

    I’m thinking that part of the answer may be in the fact that IQ data from black Africa is less complete and reliable than that from the U.S., and there may be higher and lower subpopulations, with the ancestors of American slaves being toward the dumb side, and those of British immigrants being towards the higher side. But there are counterarguments to that also–British immigrants from the Caribbean are also descended from slaves, for example. It needs more study, but it’s hard to get funding to research this area.

  176. @Yngvar

    Back when she was in art school, Mikaela’s Instagram account said she was bi-racial, adopted from South Africa.

    Her black adopted brother, Theo, graduated from Yale.

  177. @Anonymouse

    I see no good reason for the facts about racial IQ differences to be brandished as an ideological weapon.

    The fact that ideological lies about racial intelligence differences are brandished as a weapon is an unimpeachable reason for fighting back with the truth.

  178. Anonymous[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    GCSEs aren’t IQ tests. The old GCEs could be described as IQ tests, but not GCSEs.

    GCSEs were originally introduced in the 1980s to address the ‘problem’ that boys did better than girls at the GCE, and whites did better than blacks.

    In other words, girls and blacks do better in GCSEs than white boys by design.

    How was this achieved? Coursework. GCSEs are all about coursework. With the GCE, there was one big exam at the end of the year which decided everything. With the GCSE, there is still an exam, but it’s much less important compared to coursework.

    And who grades coursework? Not an external examiner marking papers anonymously, but the kid’s own teacher.

    (It’s instructive that even though all U.K. schools were forced to adopt the GCSE, Hong Kong schools (which followed British educational practices) refused to do so, and insisted on continuing to teach the GCE, so long after it was supposedly abolished, British examination boards continued to issue and grade GCEs for overseas students.)

  179. @Steve Sailer

    famous example: primitive tribes supposedly not knowing sex and childbearing were related.
    Now debunked as the result of sloppy methods.

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