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Andrew Sullivan points out that, per capita, blacks are charged with more hate crimes than any other group:

But what about hate crimes specifically? In general, the group disproportionately most likely to commit hate crimes in the US are African-Americans. At 13 percent of the population, African Americans commit 23.9 percent of hate crimes. But hate specifically against Asian-Americans in the era of Trump and Covid? Solid numbers are not yet available for 2020, which is the year that matters here. There’s data, from 1994 to 2014, that finds little racial skew among those committing anti-Asian hate crimes. Hostility comes from every other community pretty equally.

The best data I’ve found for 2020, the salient period for this discussion, are provisional data on complaints and arrests for hate crimes against Asians in New York City, one of two cities which seem to have been most affected. They record 20 such arrests in 2020. Of those 20 offenders, 11 were African-American, two Black-Hispanic, two white, and five white Hispanics. Of the black offenders, a majority were women. The bulk happened last March, and they petered out soon after. If you drill down on some recent incidents in the news in California, and get past the media gloss to the actual mugshots, you also find as many black as white offenders.

This doesn’t prove much either, of course. Anti-Asian bias, like all biases, can infect anyone of any race, and the sample size is small and in one place. But it sure complicates the “white supremacy” case that the mainstream media simply assert as fact.

A Daily Kos writer responded that the concept of per capita is “a favorite statistical manipulation of white nationalists” and that the per capita stats inspire mass shootings.

See? 52.5% is a bigger number than 23.9%, so whites are more likely to commit hate crimes than blacks! (As long as you don’t do any Statistical Manipulations involving White Nationalist concepts like per capita):

 
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  1. Polistra says:

    This has been true for many years, and is greatly aided by the innumeracy endemic to the Woke.

  2. HenryA says:

    As Barbie said, “math is hard”.

  3. J.Ross says:

    >The following words have been declared illegal by the government
    >…
    >and the letter “Z”

  4. Just SMH. Have we hit rock-bottom stupid yet? Neiwert makes Andrew Sullivan look brilliant……that is a feat itself.

  5. Altai says:

    Even in the 24th century, those damn white males.

    I also like the obsession with terms such as ‘playbook’. It’s code for ‘I can’t convince you this is wrong information but it’s evil information’.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  6. Polistra says:

    The Use of Per Capita Statistics Is Now White Nationalist

    • Agree: BenKenobi
  7. Altai says:
    @Polistra

    Population growth through immigration actually makes this statistic make violent groups in the US look less violent. Cities’ violent crime rates should be judge as if the excess population growth from immigration over the last 20 years didn’t happen because the total size of the communities where the crime is endemic haven’t increased proportionally.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  8. Firefinga says:

    Of course it is. Everything is “white nationalist/white supremacist”, since everything is an expression of “systemic racism” and “entrenched whiteness”, except the cases where it’s declred it’s not.

    Just like the Congress was declared a “white supremacist” institution in June 2020 and a “temple of democracy” only seven months later. By the very same people.

    • Agree: fish
    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Mr. Anon
  9. Altai says:

    Per Neiwert’s wikipedia page.

    Neiwert was raised in Idaho Falls, Idaho in a population heavy in both Mormonism and the John Birch Society. Neiwert notes that this highly conspiratorial background is “probably part of why I’m immune to conspiracism.”

    Or maybe it’s why you see it everywhere and are convinced and why it’s only certain kinds of conspiracies that you seek to refute and why you’re such an intensive political partisan and work with groups like the SPLC who spread plenty of conspiracy theories of their own.

    • Agree: Wilkey, Desiderius
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Moses
    , @Lurker
    , @Forbes
  10. @Polistra

    People who manipulate racial demographic numbers to explain crime are innately arguing that race causes crime–which is a provable lie.

    Spout all the numbers you like. They’re meaningless unless they are predictive or explain causation.

    Why do you think those numbers exist?

    It also ignores how and why the people of color got to a place where they felt they need to (or even wanted to) commit crimes. If society gives you no options, there’s nothing else to do.

    Let’s put this in the language of reality. Say you are an Asian-American in a crowd of people that reflects a demographic mix that looks like the nation. If you are victimized in a hate crime, the perp is still more than twice as likely to come from the white demographic group.

  11. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    Idaho Falls is also heavy in radioactive waste which is more closely Neiwert’s coeval, thanks to Jimmy Carter’s Dept. of Energy.

  12. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    The more significant omission from the discussion is the fact that the White nation is having their territory invaded.

    Control for that.

  13. Mycale says:

    In the beginning of the government lockdowns, when the sidewalks and streets were mostly deserted, I observed a few incidents of anti-Asian verbal harassment and each time it was a black male harassing an older Asian person. It is awful behavior, but, sad to say, blacks behaving poorly in public does not shock the conscience.

    Are people really buying this nonsense? Any Asian person who lives in a diverse city or has friends and family in a diverse city knows what is going on, although I am sure that some are capable of putting their “lived experiences” aside when it means getting some social media validation.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    , @Tono Bungay
  14. notsaying says:

    It is sad to see people bothering to get caught up in an argument they cannot win.

    It is true that the people committing the most hate crimes are white.

    It is true that as a percentage of the population, blacks commit more hate crimes than whites. If you are an Asian on the street, you should be more afraid of blacks than whites. That is where proportionality becomes key: it tells you who the biggest threat is. The absolute numbers do not tell you that.

    Am I crazy or is Neiwert admitting idiocy when he claims “Sully’s claim (based on proportionality) cannot actually be derived from the paper he cites, because it doesn’t include any proportionality numbers”? As long as you have a breakdown on anything along racial lines, you can figure out proportionality by using Census Bureau figures, can’t you?

    If white supremacy was so bad in America, we would have a lot more than 6,400 incidents a year reported in a country of 330 million.

  15. fnn says:

    Proving you can be quite dumb and still get pretty far in journalism as long as you stick to parroting the conventional wisdom. Also see you tube for the math lecture by Brian Williams and Mara Gay (NYT).

  16. Wait a minute.

    When 25-ish-percent of deaths at the hands of Police are people of Black skin-color, that’s a sign of racism because it’s too high on a per-capita basis. Only 13-ish-percent of the population has that skin color, so the per-capita numbers are too high.

    Only a racist would ignore the per-capita numbers to mention that more white-skinned people die at the hands of Police every year.

    But when about-23-percent of hate crime against Asians is committed by people of Black skin color, it is racism to mention the fact that this is very high on a per-capita basis.

    I’m confused…

  17. 1John says:

    All this would not b happening if we had our own nation. We need to alter the demographic course in the other direction resulting becoming once again the majority by the 2040s. See “The Slow Cleanse aka Restoring White Homelands” Greg Johnson. What is happening to us Europeans, our replacement is ethnic cleansing is a genocide. See UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:
    Article II
    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

  18. @Fred C Dobbs

    Have we hit rock-bottom stupid yet?

    The whole point of wokeness is that you don’t have to be logical or consistent. But with that said, the latest “white supremacist menace to Asians” narrative is approaching levels of dumbness that may even embarrass the NYT.

    Or maybe stupid just doesn’t have a bottom. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Moses
  19. anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @notsaying

    It is sad to see people bothering to get caught up in an argument they cannot win.

    It is true that the people committing the most hate crimes are white.

    No, that isn’t true. Whites tend not to report the many hate crimes that are committed against them.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  20. MEH 0910 says:

  21. The more they actually define Whiteness and White Supremacy, the more they sound like good things. I think the concept they are actually describing is just White Superiority.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  22. @HenryA

    Woke bigender Barnaby/Barbie (snap-on genitalia included) says math is racist.

  23. Don’t you know? Math is a tool of white supremacy, and concepts like “finding the right answer”’only serve the interests of white privilege.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
  24. Anonymous[194] • Disclaimer says:

    Uhhh… just offhand, I may have a problem with the white hate crime statistics.

    How do we know there are no Latino’s loaded up in the white stats, since many Latinos misidentify themselves as “white,” and are designated as so?

    I ask because I noticed awhile back that the FBI’s most wanted list for the state of Texas designated the majority of their perps was “white,” while almost all of them where brown skinned with hispanic surnames. I guess, at least in Texas, it’s a common Latino criminal’s trick to make white people look bad, or something.

    Anybody know if some of them snuck into the “white hate crimes” stats, thus artificially inflating them?

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @AndrewR
  25. vhrm says:
    @notsaying

    Am I crazy or is Neiwert admitting idiocy when he claims “Sully’s claim (based on proportionality) cannot actually be derived from the paper he cites, because it doesn’t include any proportionality numbers”? As long as you have a breakdown on anything along racial lines, you can figure out proportionality by using Census Bureau figures, can’t you?

    afaict, that’s right. Sullivan links to 2019 US level data so the denominator or base rate would generally be the US.

    That said, he COULD (but doesn’t) make arguments about it not being a fair comparison since blacks , whites and asians aren’t homogenously mixed and e.g. both asians and blacks are concentrated in cities, especially in some specific cities and thus you’d have to somehow correct for that.

    This data is pretty bad anyway, imo, considering how squishy the “hate crime” category is and how few actual hate crimes there are (as you note). If i had to guess there’s also a significant bias introduced by police/prosecutors who, like the media, seem MUCH more inclined to tag a white guy with the “hate” tag compared to a POC. As we saw with 1 rigthwing riot vs a year of BLM riots. As we see with this very case vs e.g. the black kids who set the older white guy on fire in Rochester.

  26. Mr. XYZ says:
    @HenryA

    “Mef is haad!” 😉

  27. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Polistra

    Ironically, getting rid of per capita stats would make gentile whites look better in comparison to both Asians and Jews here in the US!

  28. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Well, FWIW, I certainly consider white people to be one of the most beautiful races that humanity has ever produced.

  29. vhrm says:

    Based on this tweet thread this Neiwart guy seems particularly unpleasant both with his lack of basic numeracy and his aggressive ad hominems.

    But digging just a bit he doesn’t just quote the SPLC he’s affiliated with them. A Guardian article (found via his wikipedia page) describes him as:

    …says David Neiwert, the Pacific Northwest correspondent for the Southern Poverty Law Center and the author of Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

    ok not that writing for Daily Kos doesn’t already suggest he’s a full on activist.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  30. anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:
    @vhrm

    As long as you have a breakdown on anything along racial lines, you can figure out proportionality by using Census Bureau figures, can’t you?

    If the Census Bureau figures aren’t in the paper, then you can’t derive Sullivan’s claims from the paper itself.

  31. Wilkey says:

    From David Neiwert’s Wikipedia Bio:

    “He went to work at MSNBC.com in 1996 as a writer-producer, and continued there through late 2000. Since then, he has focused on writing books and producing his blog Orcinus..As of 2018, Neiwert worked with the Southern Poverty Law Center as their Pacific Northwest correspondent…In January 2019, Neiwert left the SPLC blog Hatewatch to join Daily Kos as a correspondent.”

    Neiwert has worked for MSNBC, the SPLC, and DailyKos – all organizations well-known for their thoughtfulness and moderation.

    When almost the entirety of the MSM is controlled by the Left, how f—ing awful a journalist do you have to be to only be able to get jobs working for those crazed institutions?

    Another part I like about his bio is this:

    “Neiwert was raised in Idaho Falls, Idaho in a population heavy in both Mormonism and the John Birch Society. Neiwert notes that this highly conspiratorial background is ‘probably part of why I’m immune to conspiracism.’”

    Mormonism is a religious denomination, not an organization itself centered on conspiratorial beliefs. Yet Neiwert seems to have no problem suggesting that Mormons, as a group, are more likely – as in, you know, “per capita” – to buy into conspiracy theories. So clearly he implicitly understands the concept of per capita rates of behavior, at least when it suits him.

    He also seems to have no problem demonizing people like Mormons as a group – so long, I guess, as they are mostly white and conservative.

    Another thing he conveniently ignores is that per capita rates are routinely used as a basis of proving that society is “systemically racist.” The majority of criminals receiving the death penalty are white, yet it is routinely argued that the death penalty is racist based on the fact that blacks are more likely per capita to be sentenced to death.

    And in general you can dismiss the entire argument of a racist criminal justice system itself by ignoring the notion of per capita rates of punishment. That argument rests almost entirely on understanding punishment rates per capita. The majority of perps charged with almost every crime are white. So I case David Neiwert has just proven that the criminal justice system isn’t racist? (Please someone feel free to point that out to him on Twatter, as I do not have a Twatter account.)

    Same goes with trying to prove that blacks are more likely to be punished for bad behavior in schools, more likely to be terminated from a job, more likely to be denied a mortgage, more likely to die of heart disease or COVID – all of these bleeping arguments rely on per capita rates to make their point.

    Of course you can ignore per capita rates entirely and prove that blacks are more crime prone. Simply compare the number of murders in mostly black cities to the number of murders in states with few blacks.

    In 2019 Detroit – population 670,000, 78% of it black) had 268 murders inside its city limits. That is more murders than were committed in thirty states, all but two of which had more people – some of them far, far more people – than Detroit, Michigan. And of course Detroit is not the only mostly black city you could say that about.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  32. Wilkey says:
    @vhrm

    This data is pretty bad anyway, imo, considering how squishy the “hate crime” category is and how few actual hate crimes there are (as you note). If i had to guess there’s also a significant bias introduced by police/prosecutors who, like the media, seem MUCH more inclined to tag a white guy with the “hate” tag compared to a POC.

    This. 100 times…1000 times….1 million times this.

    Charges of a hate crime already appear to be heavily skewed against whites anyway. Basically anytime a white person commits a crime against a minority – especially a black person – and it doesn’t involved drugs or property there is almost an automatic presumption that it is due to race. Black crimes against other races are automatically assumed not to involve race.

  33. anon[215] • Disclaimer says:

    I wanna see Neiwert’s car, and how drives it. Because speed limits in the US are in “miles PER hour” but since “PER” is pure White Nationalist Hate, he’s gotta have the speedometer covered up so that only the odometer is showing. That way he only drives with reference to “miles”, never “PER” anything.

    Anti-racist driving!

    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  34. Anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Andrew Sullivan points out that, per capita, blacks are charged with more hate crimes than any other group:

    Not if you control for the fact that many, if not most, of these blacks are paid assets of the NYPD and other organizations:

    • LOL: Clyde
  35. Patriot says:

    Regarding Black abuse of Asians: in California in the 1960’s to the early 1980’s there were a lot of mom-and-pop stores in Black areas run by Asians immigrants — first Koreans and Chinese, then Vietnamese, then Indians and Bagladesians. They were constantly getting robbed, beat up, and killed by their Black customers. Occasionally a Chinese merchant would shoot one of the Black criminals, which always generated a giant protest about racism, followed by the shop closing and the Asian owners fleeing.

    I now notice many stores in Black areas run by Middle-Easterners, who seem tougher than the former Asians.

  36. @vhrm

    I ran out of [Agree]s, etc. I especially agree with your last paragraph, Vhrm. The Anarcho-Tyranny at this level means that the black guy would have to do something pretty horrendous for obvious racial reasons for the cops to even think of charging him with a “hate crime”. If the white guy mouths off one wrong word, and people hear about it, then “hate crime” it is.

    That said, I put quotes around the term because having the charge at all is simply stupid. I bet a lot of domestic disputes resulting in murder have a whole lot more hate involved then one of these polar bear punchings. As evil as the latter are, it’s more a matter of excessively aggressive and psychopathic personalities of young black people than hate.

    “I hate going to work, so I’m gonna rob this 7-11 to get a case of Huggies instead.” See, now there’s a hate crime for you.

    • Agree: vhrm
    • Replies: @Wilkey
  37. @Wilkey

    Yes, so it’s astonishing that even in spite of this handicap, blacks still manage to be the top performers in the hate crimes category.

    • Agree: ben tillman
  38. Why is this debate even happening?

    It’s like I remarked that now that we’re getting into March, the days are really getting longer, and all these people started insisting, no, they’re getting shorter.

    Blacks hate Asians just the mostest — and they love attacking them! This is news? It’s somehow in dispute?

    • Agree: vhrm, Not Raul
  39. Facts are racist, part 254987.

    Seriously, we are in a slow-motion Soviet Union or Communist China.

    • Replies: @Anon
  40. @Wilkey

    I swear I didn’t see your comment till I hit submit, Wilkey, so thanks too.

    Regarding this guy David Neiwert’s tweet there, I think this is about semantics for him. His first sentence can be taken like this: “If I were to take bets on who is the perpetrator of the next “hate crime” that is charged to anyone in America, I would come out ahead betting on ‘a white person’ every time, in the long run.” However, “more likely” can mean the more common-sense thing of “If I were some person of a different race/ethnicity/what-have-you than any random person on the street, the chances that if he were a black person he would commit a “hate crime” ‘against me is higher than the chances of that if he were white.”

    Which means more for an individual’s concern about this ? Obviously “per capita” (the 2nd question) means more. This guy just found another new way of lying.

  41. jon says:
    @vhrm

    That said, he COULD (but doesn’t) make arguments about it not being a fair comparison since blacks , whites and asians aren’t homogenously mixed and e.g. both asians and blacks are concentrated in cities, especially in some specific cities and thus you’d have to somehow correct for that.

    This guy posted the Hate Crime breakdown by race for NY, blacks don’t really come out looking any better:

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  42. Charges of a hate crime already appear to be heavily skewed against whites anyway. Basically anytime a white person commits a crime against a minority – especially a black person – and it doesn’t involved drugs or property there is almost an automatic presumption that it is due to race. Black crimes against other races are automatically assumed not to involve race.

    Spot on Wilkey. The stats are a joke.

    Blacks probably beat contemporary Jews in the racial/ethnic grievance category, but there’s no doubt that they blow the doors off everyone in turning racial/ethnic grievances into crimes. This isn’t even close. (The idea that whites–whose pie-in-the-sky openness is aiding the destruction of the West–are the big racists is just laughable. Being in the majority we simply don’t wake up every day obsessed with the issue. Though that might change.)

    It’s just that black hate crimes–from the murders and rapes down to the street harassment–usually aren’t charged as “hate crimes”. Heck even something as hate filled and gruesome as the rape-murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome were not “hate crimes”. Black hate crimes are called a “home invasion gone wrong” or “rape gone wrong” or “robbery gone wrong”. Apparently though the numbers are so staggeringly lopsided and so many blacks need to sound off about what they are thinking–including apparently black women about Asians last spring–that despite PC police/DAs blacks are still the champs.

    BTW, if some white scum did to some blacks what those animals did to Channon and Christopher–who in a better world world have three or four little Newsomes running around by now–you’d never hear about Saint Emmett Till again. (Ok maybe in some graduate “hate whitey” seminar.)

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    , @Jack D
  43. Wilkey says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    If the white guy mouths off one wrong word, and people hear about it, then “hate crime” it is.

    He doesn’t even have to mouth the words anytime within a decade of committing the crime. If anytime in his past he said something suggesting that possibly he didn’t like a particular group, then that is proof enough. It could just be his voter registration. It could just be some particular cause he “liked” on Facebook.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  44. @Polistra

    Somewhere in LA an ambitious young screenwriter is deleting a half-finished script for “Hidden Statistics”, a biographical drama showing how blacks actually invented math.

    • LOL: HammerJack, bomag
  45. Wait until blacks hear about the math curriculum in China. The Panda-Wakanda Alliance grows shakier by the hour.

  46. @Altai

    You’ll be surprised to find out that most cities 20 years ago had higher violent crime rates despite the smaller populations.

    Latinos are less violent. Ron Unz proved that in his smash-hit article, The Myth of Hispanic Crime. White people are, on average, far more likely to be older than Hispanics. When adjusting for age, Unz found that whites in Texas were more likely to be in prison for violent crime than Hispanics. White women in California also have a higher incarceration rate than Latina women.

    I’m sure an age-adjusted examination of hate crime offenders would reveal that whites are proportionately represented.

    • Disagree: Lot
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @D. K.
    , @Mike Tre
  47. Michelle says:
    @HenryA

    Math is, actually hard! No doubt about that hate fact!

  48. Worth a repost

  49. Ian Smith says:

    The next time someone tells me that per capita statistics aren’t proof that blacks aren’t more violent, I’m just going to say: “then I’ve got a bridge in Baltimore I’d like to sell you!”

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
  50. Polistra says:

    Of those 20 offenders, 11 were African-American, two Black-Hispanic, two white, and five white Hispanics. Of the black offenders, a majority were women

    If you’re at least part black, you can call Asians “house n*rs” even in San Francisco. Even if you’re on the school board. Even if you’re the vice president of the school board.

    https://mol.im/a/9387179 (Daily Mail)

    Spoiler alert: she blames Asians, wypipos, and Donald Trump

  51. Luzzatto says:

    An Asian woman was murdered in Compton and the Woke as fuck police department there refuses to release a picture of the murderer and refuses to list the murderer’s race.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/compton-shooting-asian-woman/10438751/

    Gee I wonder what they are hiding? Why don’t they immediately release information on this Compton murderer like they did with the Atlanta murderer? Why don’t The Asian Social Justice Warriors want to know what this Compton murderer of a beautiful Asian woman looks like?

    • Replies: @vhrm
  52. @Wilkey

    As we’ve seen recently, he doesn’t have to do or say anything at all.

    If he so much as keeps quiet when someone else is…daring…

  53. @AnotherDad

    Animals don’t behave like that. Please leave animals out of it.

    Call them monsters maybe

  54. @jon

    The funny thing is that they don’t come out looking so good, and these are the official stats. Which as Wilkey and others observe are preposterously slanted against white people.

    They massage the numbers every which way and they still can’t get the results they want. So then they lie.

  55. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Facts are racist, part 254987.

    Seriously, we are in a slow-motion Soviet Union or Communist China.

    The situation is far, far worse. American Whites are being slowly genocided.

  56. Luzzatto says:

    You know in the future is going to be a movie made about about all of this Anti-Asian violence, the movie is going to be The Joy Luck Club/Fresh Off The Boat/Crazy Rich Asians Is Terrorized By American History X/Higher Learning/The Believer in that all of the villains in the movie committing hate crimes against Asians are White Power skinheads with swastika tattoos!

    We don’t want no trouble here please leave, if you didn’t want any trouble you should have never step foot inside the White man’s land you dental floss eyed Chinaman. This is a Whites only country no Panda Express allowed here, WHITE POWER and than proceeds to take out his M-16 rifle from his backpack to murder the Asian couple who owns a liquor store in Compton.

    Coming to a theatre near you Christmas Day 2021!

  57. Actually, I am specifically stating that white people comprise the demographic most likely to commit hate crimes.

    No, you are stating that whites are the most likely to do it per capita. You PRETEND that you are saying something else, but the meaning of the words you used is that whites are the most likely to do it per capita.

    There are a lot of very easy and obvious ways to say what you pretend that you are trying to say (e.g., 52% of hate crimes are committed by whites), but you don’t say it that way because you are deliberately lying in a way that you think you can explain away with a claim that you are using Humpty Dumpty language. No, you are a lying racist.

    • Replies: @additionalMike
  58. ziggurat says:
    @Fred C Dobbs

    According to “Achmed E. Newman”, we were supposed to reach “peak stupidity around 2015.”

    See the header at the top of his website. (He divides the years by 100 on the X axis.)
    https://www.peakstupidity.com/

    And then stupidity was supposed to drop fast.

    But sadly, the movie Idiocracy may prove prophetic.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  59. Polistra says:
    @Wilkey

    As recently as 2019, a mass murder in Virginia Beach involved a gunman shooting 16 people at his (city government) workplace, killing 12 of them.

    The official response? “We will never mention his name again.” This from everyone from the Chief of Police to the Governor. I doubt I have to tell you the gunman’s race.

    The police declined to provide his photo.

    “We wanted to control that narrative,” Steve Cover, Virginia Beach’s deputy city manager of public safety, said.

    https://apnews.com/article/88f844772f6b4e55a72396c930ebfc0a

    Adam Lankford, a criminologist at the University of Alabama, added: “What the guy’s face looks like is not the sort of information that will help stop the next mass shooting.”

    …………………

    I actually agree that we should take care not to valorize the identities of killers. But I think we should maintain an evenhanded approach to that, which probably makes me a thought criminal now.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
  60. The bottom line is that we aren’t part of David Neiwert’s moral community, and there are no moral constraints on what he can do to harm us.

    • Replies: @anon
  61. @JohnPlywood

    White women in California also have a higher incarceration rate than Latina women.

    Elizabeth Holmes as opposed to Octomom.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
  62. Luzzatto says:
    @Ian Smith

    A White guy driving through the most Wakanda parts of Baltimore is almost carjacked by a Black male when he stops for a few minutes. He was lucky he was successfully able to drive-off and the attempted carjacking was a failure!

    • Replies: @Altai
    , @anonymous
    , @Reg Cæsar
  63. Luzzatto says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Octomom is Arab not Hispanic. There is a lot of phenotype overlap between MENA and Hispanics. But Octomom is a Christian Arab and not an Allahu Akbar Arab!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  64. vhrm says:
    @Luzzatto

    Well, afaict, in this case it looks like they don’t have a suspect or even description of a suspect let alone a picture so there’s nothing to tell.

    Also, her family IS already “demanding” a “hate crime investigation” etc.
    https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/03/21/family-of-asian-woman-fatally-shot-in-compton-to-call-on-authorities-to-conduct-hate-crime-probe/

    also also, not that it makes her shooting any less bad but it colors (ha!) the race dimensions of this thing further, she seems to be half black based on the pictures. She also has a son named Shakur and an aunt named Akeisa Lowe both which seem consistent with that.
    https://www.gofundme.com/f/sias-going-away-service

    So the family calling for “hate crime” in this case is probably black or certainly influenced by that sensibility.
    For the purposes of who is hate criming whom and who’s complaining about it this is probably about as hard of a case to adjudicate as you’re likely to find.

  65. @Ned Newton

    People who manipulate racial demographic numbers to explain crime are innately arguing that race causes crime–which is a provable lie.

    Genes cause crime, and different racial groups have different distributions of those genes. Race does predict crime rates. What part of that is a lie?

    • Agree: ben tillman
  66. anonymous[547] • Disclaimer says:
    @Firefinga

    Just like the Congress was declared a “white supremacist” institution in June 2020

    Reference please?

  67. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Don’t you know? Math is a tool of white supremacy, and concepts like “finding the right answer”’only serve the interests of white privilege.

    As the Oregon Board of Education is telling its middle-school math teachers in its public school systems, which is, I think, is what you’re alluding to.

    https://equitablemath.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/1_STRIDE1.pdf

    Every page in that pdf scolds adult math teacher, and exhorts him or her to embrace anti-racism. Two excerpts:

    White supremacy culture shows up in math classrooms when…

    Students are tracked (into courses/pathways and within the classroom).

    Too often students are tracked based on the notion that adults know what the right thing is for them, which does not allow room for student agency, reinforcing paternalism and powerhoarding.

    Following the same vein, leadership decides which teacher is right for which course without allowing input from the teachers, students, or parents.

    White supremacy culture shows up in math classrooms when…
    Students are required to “show their work” in only one way.

    Math teachers ask students to show work so that teachers know what students are thinking, but that can center the teacher’s need to understand rather than student learning. Teachers should seek to understand individual student perspectives and focus on students showing their work in ways that help students learn how to process information.

    • Classroom Activity: Have students create TikTok
    videos, silent films, or cartoons about mathematical
    concepts or procedures.

    • Professional Development: Practice with math
    colleagues how to answer mathematical problems
    without using words or numbers.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    , @Lurker
    , @jon
    , @kihowi
  68. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    The bottom line is that we aren’t part of David Neiwert’s moral community, and there are no moral constraints on what he can do to harm us.

    What is Neiwert’s ethnic or religious identity?

    • Replies: @Bill P
  69. D. K. says:
    @JohnPlywood

    The chart that the bolshevik included in his tweet did not include a separate category for “Hispanic”; that is because the “hate crime” offenders are categorized by race, sans an ethnicity. Since the vast majority of American Hispanics choose “White” as their racial category, the vast majority of Hispanic “hate crime” offenders are simply recorded as “White”– which means that many, if not most, of the “hate crime” offenders in that bare-majority (52.5%) “White” category of “hate crime” offenders are undoubtedly Hispanics.

    Since you brought up Texas:

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    Eight of the ten most-wanted fugitives in Texas are listed as “White”– and only two are listed as Black! Seven of those eight “White” fugitives from Texas justice, however, happen to be Hispanics.

    Texas has a separate list for its most-wanted sex offenders:

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/SexOffenders

    In this case, nine of Texas’ ten most-wanted fugitives for sex offenses are listed as “White”– and only one is listed as Black! Of the nine “White” fugitives, however, six are actually Hispanics.

    Hispanics were estimated at 39.7% of Texas’ population, in 2019, versus an estimated 41.2% for non-Hispanic Whites:

    https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/TX#:~:text=People%20%20%20%20Population%20%20%20,%EE%A1%80%20%EE%A0%BF%2025.5%25%20%2041%20more%20rows%20

    The median age for Texas is 34.6 years, with nearly a two year sex difference, due to the elderly’s being appreciably more female, while the young are marginally more male:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/texas-population#:~:text=Texas%20Gender%20and%20Religion%20Statistics%20The%20median%20age,population%2C%2050.4%25%20are%20females%20and%2049.6%25%20are%20males.

    Median ages for races and ethnicities, in Texas, does not appear to be readily available:

    https://www.texastribune.org/2019/06/20/texas-hispanic-population-pace-surpass-white-residents/

    . . . but . . .

    “In 2018, the median age of all people in Texas was 34.9. Native-born citizens, with a median age of 32, were generally younger than than foreign-born citizens, with a median age of 43.”

    https://datausa.io/profile/geo/texas/#demographics

    In the country at large, as of 2018, the median age of non-Hispanic Whites was 44, while the median age for Hispanics was only 30:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/

    For Millennials, Hispanics were a quarter of that population, while non-Hispanic Whites were only a fifth. For Zoomers, Hispanics were 38%, while non-Hispanic Whites were only 23%. Since Zoomers were then from newborns to age 21, according to that 2018 analysis, however, the vast majority of them were in the low-(to-no)-offender category.

    It seems implausible to me that the age structures of Texas’ racial and ethnic groups fully accounts for the differences in representation of Hispanics and non-Hispanic Whites on the two ten-most-wanted lists that I linked to, above, with their ratios of 7-1 and 2-1, respectively.

    • Agree: Luzzatto
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  70. Moses says:
    @Altai

    Early life check please.

  71. Anonymous[344] • Disclaimer says:

    Of the black offenders, a majority were women.

    NYC needs Universal Basic Weaves to stop the black-Korean violence.

  72. Polistra says:
    @PiltdownMan

    Math teachers ask students to show work so that teachers know what students are thinking, but that can center the teacher’s need to understand rather than student learning.

    Math teachers ask students to show work so that math teachers can be sure the students aren’t cheating. Definitely Disparate Impact.

    The solution to this obvious conundrum is to make all tests multiple choice, with the answers supplied beforehand to POCs.

    Then, when even that doesn’t work, the solution is to scrap tests altogether.

    Then, just award diplomas on the first day of school.

    Then, diplomas (credentials!) are racist too.

    Scrap school. Scrap society.

  73. @D. K.

    Dear dummy,

    The vast majority of Hispanics no not identify as white

    and

    Ron Unz already addressed the tendency of states to list wanted fugitives and arrestees as white. He got around that by using data of convicted prisoners, which is very accurate due to the need to identify inmates based on gang affiliation (which is typically race/ethnicity specific).

    All your wasted time and effort typing that bullshit could have been avoided if you had just read the article instead of freaking out like a spastic child. Take your adderall, dumbo.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @D. K.
    , @Boomthorkell
    , @WJ
  74. Moses says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    Nothing “stupid” about it.

    These people know exactly what they are doing.

    This is about pure power and subjugation.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/tF2SUefr9QDt6sUy8

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Moses
  75. Lurker says:
    @Altai

    Neiwert notes that this highly conspiratorial background is “probably part of why I’m immune to conspiracism.”

    I’m sure we won’t find him pushing ideas like “it was the Russians”? And, in historical pieces, we will find him relentlessly debunking something conspiritards call ‘Watergate’.

  76. TIL arithmetic is racist

  77. El Dato says:
    @Polistra

    Who cares about dumb people on Twitter.

    I two get killed in a hate crime incident, there are four others to take their place.

    Much more interesting: Who is participating in the Great Spring Break El Dorado of ’21?

  78. jon says:
    @PiltdownMan

    • Classroom Activity: Have students create TikTok
    videos, silent films, or cartoons about mathematical
    concepts or procedures.

    • Professional Development: Practice with math
    colleagues how to answer mathematical problems
    without using words or numbers.

    Why Did Americans Go from the Computer Age Back to the Stone Age?
    Steve Sailer, Jr., March 21, 2071

    • Replies: @Polistra
    , @Cloudbuster
  79. Lurker says:
    @ziggurat

    Not only is stupidity peaker than we know, it is peaker than we can know.

    (I worry that inventing a word – ‘peaker’ – is itself a symptom of stupidity)

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  80. I guess I live by Neiwert’s principle, when it comes to some things. Between viruses and elephants, I view viruses as the greater risk to my life even though per capita elephants are more dangerous. Between ultraviolet radiation and cosmic rays, I view ultraviolet as the greater threat to my health despite the greater harm cosmic rays can do per photon.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Chrisnonymous
  81. Luzzatto says:
    @JohnPlywood

    The vast majority of Hispanics in The U.S do identify as White in The U.S Census which is why every majority Hispanic city in The U.S is also a majority White city according to The U.S census whether it’s San Antonio, or Miami, or El Paso, etc. So Hispanics are lumped into the White crime statistics!

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  82. BenKenobi says:
    @Mycale

    Are people really buying this nonsense?

    No, they are not. However, Asians can’t gain (((media))) accolades or attention, or political power if they tell the truth.

  83. AndrewR says:
    @Moses

    Yep.

    I assume everyone here is familiar with Theodore Dalrymple’s quote on political correctness. Humiliating you by making you agree to obvious lies is a huge way the demonic elites maintain power. As we can see, large numbers of outer party people fully believe those lies, so if you dare to speak the truth then those true believers will smash you down.

  84. Since per capita statistics are white supremacy, what is limiting the stats to just the United States?

    These stats need to be global. And of course they need to be obsessed over by skin colour.

    I would like to see a global murder rate broken by number of murderers of different skin colours.

    Only that would be anti-racist.

  85. Luzzatto says:
    @Anonymous

    I remember many years ago VDare posted a mugshot of an Afro Hispanic who looks like Death Row Records CEO Suge Knight’s doppelganger being labeled as White. It was some VDare article about how White crime statistics in The U.S can be misleading!

  86. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    Jesus. It’s not the common criminal’s fault that Texas’ racial categorization system is needlessly clunky.

    Since “Hispanic” isn’t officially considered a race in the US, yes some mestizos or even browner people get looped into the White category. But the point stands: blacks are vastly overrepresented in crime and in hate crimes. The woke are being shamelessly dishonest by denying this.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
  87. El Dato says:
    @International Jew

    Actually cosmic rays are generally very rapid atomic nuclei.

    They are only disregardable because we are sitting under a fat atmosphere.

    OT: Cult of Fauci intensifying:

    Already showered with awards & media adulation, Dr. Fauci scores a new honor: Children’s book proclaiming him ‘AMERICA’S DOCTOR’

    Nobody can tell me socialistic regimes can’t put out nice books!

  88. @Patriot

    Well, the Middle-Easterners probably have a stronger cultural memory of how to treat uppity Abeeds.

  89. @Patriot

    I now notice many stores in Black areas run by Middle-Easterners, who seem tougher than the former Asians.

    In Haiti and West Africa, its the Lebanese who own the supermarkets.

  90. D. K. says:
    @JohnPlywood

    According to the 2010 United States Census, 53.0% of those who listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic also listed themselves as racially White:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Race

    Another 36.7% of those who listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic listed themselves as “Some other race,” rather than as one of the alternative races, or even as “Two or more races.” (Writing in a foreign nationality is by far the most common response added to the “Some other race” item.) Hispanics were 97% of those who chose the “Some other race” category!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Race

    According to the 2017 American Community Survey, 65.0% of those who listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic also listed themselves as racially White:

    https://archive.ph/20200214061015/https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_17_1YR_B03002&prodType=table

    Another 26.7% of those who listed themselves as ethnically Hispanic also listed themselves as “Some other race alone,” while an additional 2.2% listed themselves as “Two races including Some other race.”

    When it comes to American police departments, and official government crime statistics, however, the racial classifications tend to be somewhat more constrictive: e.g., all 13 of the Hispanic fugitives on the above-linked ten-most-wanted lists for Texas are listed as racially White! Aside from Mr. Unz and you, who considers his article to be dispositive on the issue of Hispanic criminality in the United States? How many times has it been cited in the relevant academic literature?

    If you would like to know my “official” adult IQ score, Johnnie, you will just have to ask; it would be considered highly conceited of me to cite it, here at Unz.com, otherwise.

    • Agree: Luzzatto
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    , @Bill P
    , @Mike Tre
  91. @JohnPlywood

    Your use of the word dumb seems forced and childlike, though it seems to be your angle anyway.

    I agree with Unz on this one, but as I recall, sex crimes (intrafamily) are actually a greater Hispanic issue (per capita…dun dun tsch). Though, I wonder what a 2020 count would look like, properly broken down and adjusted for everyone. Anyhow, America historically had a much higher murder rate than other countries, and that was just some ground ol’ specific British-Ethnic Group Militancy, combined I think with that frontier atmosphere. The whole New World seemed pretty murder happy. Then again, the Wild West was much less wild…per capita, than the East Coast. Some historical revisionist studies going about and ruining a perfectly adventurous and fun past.

    As for identity…well, it’s certainly flexible. If we’re speaking in home countries vs. America, the old La Casta system generally kicks in. In America, it’s very much time and place dependent. Traditionally, the ones who could, did identify as White and Hispanic (Sangre Puros, etc.) Your attitude in the first sentence is therefore rude, but more importantly, a bit off.

    Hispanics though, as well know, are not a genetic grouping per se, so I’m sure the hardcore HBD’s can and do have something to say about the matter, and why it may effect certain statistics.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  92. @D. K.

    Dear dummy,

    53% is not a vast majority but a slim majority

    and

    You self-pwned again. These figures do not add up to 100%, meaning your 53% and 65% figures aren’t even majorities.

    I’ll say it again for your mentally handicapped self: the vast majority of Hispanics do not identify as White.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @D. K.
  93. @Luzzatto

    All three of the cities you listed have per capita murder rates well below the national average. El Paso is the safest city in America — you can’t name a non-Hispanic white city of comparable size with a lower crime rate.

    What you have done here is listed the three whitest Hispanic cities in America, in which the average inhabitant is 80% Caucasian, to shore up your fledgling superstition that all Hispanics in America identify as white, particularly the criminals.

    That’s a negroid-tier hypothesis. I mean, literally, you are on the same level of cognitive dissonance as a witch doctor living in a mud hut in Nigeria, who believes he is God.

    In reality, less than 40% of Hispanics identify as white, and less than 1% live in the cities you mentioned.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @D. K.
  94. Polistra says:
    @jon

    Wow, I missed this:

    Practice with math colleagues how to answer mathematical problems without using words or numbers.

    Hmm. Are they thinking grunts and groans? Bitch-slapping?

    WAIT a minute. They mean busting a cap, don’t they.

    F mathematics. We’z keeping it real up in here.

    • Replies: @Dissident799
  95. Bill P says:
    @anon

    He’s an ethnic German Mennonite convert to Chasidic Judaism (Buberite). Seriously. Really odd duck. He has a very strong hatred for white Christians for some reason he doesn’t reveal, but he certainly isn’t shy about expressing it.

    In any event, he’s Jewish now, and not reflecting very well on that community what with his fanatical sectarian hatred. Perhaps the more even-tempered Jews in his locale should sit him down and have a conversation with him before he becomes even more of an embarrassment.

    I fully support Neiwert’s constitutional freedom of conscience in becoming Jewish, but his choice to associate that with extreme hatred of Christians is something of a concern.

    • Replies: @anon
  96. Bill P says:
    @D. K.

    Nobody in America should identify as “white” today. How is it useful? Frankly, I resent being grouped together with Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin. They are not my people. Why can’t I have a different racial classification from them?

    • Agree: ben tillman, sayless
  97. El Dato says:
    @HenryA

    It’s not even math, it’s basic heuristics needed to survive. Manageable by a wolfmind.

    If these people didn’t basically have robots putting edible stuff into their mouth, they would die.

  98. El Dato says:
    @Ned Newton

    Yeah but you would probably prefer to be in the White Corner than in the black corner.

    See how that works?

  99. J.Ross says:
    @Patriot

    I remember a public service spot from that era berating East Asian quickiemart owners for their anti-black racism. It depicted a mean clerk suspiciously eying a late-night customer (who did everything he could to suggest a crime was about to take place: entering without greeting, head down, hoodie up, rapid movement away from front of store, rapid seizure of item while at far end of store). At the last second the customer quietly pays for the item, which is supposed to show that the clerk is paranoid.

    • LOL: Patriot
  100. D. K. says:
    @JohnPlywood

    If you had clicked on the first link, you would have seen a table, based upon the 2010 United States Census, totaling 100% of the Census respondents who identified as Hispanic. There are Hispanics who identify racially as other than either “White” or “Some other race.” Of the Hispanics who identified as a governmentally recognized race on the 2010 Census, an overwhelming majority of them– 83.73%– identified as “White” alone. On the 2017 American Community Survey, as already noted, 65% of those who identified as Hispanic also identified racially as “White” alone. Of those Hispanics who identified as one of the governmentally recognized races on that 2017 Survey, an overwhelming majority of them– 88.68%– identified as “White” alone. I consider those percentages to represent the “vast majority” of Hispanic Americans. Regardless, the issue is as to their criminality, and in government crime statistics, Hispanics are overwhelmingly recorded as “White” for racial purposes– probably even higher than those cited percentages of 83.73% and 88.68%.

    Your ad hominem attacks will not lower my “official” adult IQ score by one point or percentile, Johnnie.

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  101. UK. Not a hate crime. No jail.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Muslim-girl-gang-kicked-Rhea-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

    Girl gang who kicked woman in the head while yelling ‘kill the white slag’ freed after judge hears ‘they weren’t used to drinking because they’re Muslims’.

    Yobs ripped lump of hair from Rhea Page’s head during High Street attack

    Three sisters and cousin escape with six-month suspended sentences

    Maximum term for assault occasioning actual bodily harm is five years’ jail

    Judge: ‘Those who knock someone to the floor and kick them in the head can expect to go inside, but I’m going to suspend the sentence’

    UK. Not a hate crime. No jail.

    https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/mother-shoves-woman-into-the-path-of-a-bus-calls-her-a-white-b-ch/

    “Mother shoves woman into the path of a bus, calls her a ‘white b–ch’, gets no prison time”

    UK. Mother of young children. Hate crime. Go to prison for Christmas, for using bad words. “White privilege”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/dec/06/christmas-prison-women-tram-youtube

    A woman who was filmed allegedly shouting racial abuse at fellow passengers on a tram in south London will spend Christmas in prison after she was remanded in custody during a court appearance. She has been charged with a racially aggravated public order offence.

    • Replies: @sayless
  102. @Wilkey

    It is relatively rare to use the hate crime statutes because of the difficulty in proving them compared to the underlying assault (usually) or murder. They are more commonly charged in cases with proof issues as leverage to force a plea deal, because of enhanced sentencing or other more severe outcomes. Elected DAs or prosecutors use them to gain political points in showier cases, but that is quite rare compared to the more mundane cases.

    Does anyone really hate Asians? Other than “me put peepee in your coke” and slant eye imitations by kids? Resentment independent of race, related to demographic forces in some areas or employment impacts, maybe.

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
    , @Dhjikg hhij
  103. @Ned Newton

    Let’s put this in the language of reality. Say you are an Asian-American in a crowd of people that reflects a demographic mix that looks like the nation

    You are stupid.

  104. @Polistra

    Surely you meant to say ‘the dishonesty of the Woke’. They are quite happy to accept the concept of per capita when it suits their argument. They will, for example, insist that the USA is the real offender in global warming due to its higher per capita carbon emissions, even though total US carbon emissions are far lower than, say, China’s. Half, according to the top result on google

    Anyway, I suspect this whole thing will blow over fast. SJWs don’t really like Asians so they won’t be able to sustain acting like they care for long.

  105. Luzzatto says:
    @william munny

    The theory I heard is that Asians do not put the majority of their money in banks so they walk around in public with a lot of stone cold hard cash on them, so that makes them a target for Wakandians. But I don’t know if I buy that theory because the vast majority of these Wakandian on Asian violent crimes are knockout games and not this is a stick up fool give me all your money. Wakandian sociopaths who just like to commit random acts of violence for no financial gain at all!

  106. 22pp22 says:

    Biden is a vegetable with his finger on the nuclear button. He is provoking a nuclear-armed power because Putin is not on board with his programme of reassigning the gender of confused four-years-olds.

    I am now convinced the Matrix is a true story and we’re living it!

  107. Luzzatto says:

    What I leraned from the Atlanta mass shooting is that The Democrat Run Mainstream Media will only use the Incel label on men who murder White women. Nonwhite women can never be murdered by Incels because Nonwhite women can never be hated for just their gender, they can only be hated for their race according to The Democrat Run Mainstream. Only White women can claim true female victimhood status because Nonwhite women don’t need they it they have race victimhood status!

  108. @Polistra

    The same innumeracy is to blame for Covid hysteria. Stats showing that young, healthy people are not at much risk bounce off heads like nerf balls, unable to penetrate. I know people who don’t want their kids going back to primary school because they might catch Covid and die.
    In particular, the public struggle to grasp mathematics that relates to chance and data, which are required in both these situations. They are better at arithmetic, which many tend to think of as ‘real’ maths.
    In my experience.

  109. @jon

    Steve Sailer, Jr., March 21, 2071

    You mean “Steve Sailer, Jr., in middle of springtime, many seasons after father’s passing in the before times.”

  110. @Mycale

    Yes, some people are swallowing it whole. A white woman I know in her mid-fifties who lives in a comfortable, semi-rural commuter town in New England has three adopted children from China. She is a very open-hearted Christian who is terrified for her children and who clearly was appalled when I suggested that blacks were doing most of the attacks.

  111. Per capita!?

    It hard enuf to a unnastan maf or Spanish but now YT tryina make us do maf IN Spanish!

    • LOL: Cortes
  112. @Ned Newton

    Whatever explanation might be valid, the fact is that different groups are different. As Mr. Sailer has pointed out more than once, blacks are many times more likely to assault Asian-Americans than the latter are to assault blacks. Whether you are racist or antiracist, certain things are facts. There is a real world independent of your or my prejudices.

  113. And why is no one offering solutions to the dearth of Asian-Americans in pro football?

    • Agree: Not Raul
  114. @william munny

    That is certainly true of whites in general, and white children.

    A large percentage of blacks are seething with animosity and resentment towards whites, Asians, and non-blacks in general.

  115. @Polistra

    Wow, I missed this:

    Practice with math colleagues how to answer mathematical problems without using words or numbers.

    Hmm. Are they thinking grunts and groans? Bitch-slapping?

    WAIT a minute. They mean busting a cap, don’t they.

    F mathematics. We’z keeping it real up in here.

    They mean twerking.

    Twerking is the new semaphore.

  116. As someone who only marginally follows these issues, my impression is that blacks should be at least 3 times more accused of so called “hate crimes”. They are absurdly not under-reported, but “forgiven”, glossed over ….

    And then you should do your per capita counting business …

  117. More White folk per capita use per capita statistics because maff is harder per capita for PoC folks.

  118. mmack says:

    Steve,

    File this under “Petard, hoist, some assembly requred”

    https://cwbchicago.com/2021/03/senator-who-sponsored-cash-bail-ban-is-outraged-driver-who-threatened-him-with-gun-only-had-to-post-1500-to-get-out-of-jail.html

    “An Illinois state senator who sponsored recently-signed legislation that will eliminate cash bail in the state by 2023 is outraged that a man who allegedly flashed a gun at him while driving only had to post $1,500 to get out of jail.

    “By him being released on bail, he’s free to do this again,” Sen. Elgie Sims of Chicago told the State-Journal Register.

    Yet just last month Sims tweeted, “money bond doesn’t guarantee public safety or someone’s appearance in court, it supports a system where freedom is based on the size of someone’s bank account. We’ve tried the failed tough on crime polices [sic] of the past.”

    Diverse politician sponsoring law eliminating cash bail is upset a Diverse criminal who pointed a gun at him and engaged him in a car chase is out on bail and free to commit crimes again.

    Yet eliminating cash bail will make people safer. Unless you’re a politician and then we lock the SOB up and throw away the key.

    All is proceeding swimmingly.

  119. I know persons with master’s degrees who graduated from college summa cum laude, who cannot work with fractions and percentages.
    Math is racist.

  120. @notsaying

    What a country! In America, we have achieved diversity of offenders committing hate crimes against Asians or Americans of Asian ancestry?

    We have also achieved a racial balance of persons whose minds were poisoned by President Trump’s politically and racially insensitive, and especially anti-immigrant pronouncements?

    Who would have thought that Mr. Trump, let alone any current-day Republican, could have such a loyal following in the Black and Latinx communities?

  121. @MEH 0910

    and @Wilkey

    Lead with this, only a fool lobs such a softball at Sullivan .

    Per Capita crime stats are racist when used to describe perps, but right left thinking when describing victims, for reasons.

  122. Mike Tre says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Ron Unz’s article is flawed because it makes no serious attempt to reconcile the misclassification of so called hispanics as white, and further makes no serious attempt to quantify the extend of unreported violent crime in hispanic neighborhoods due to fear of deportation.

    I imagine Ron’s motives are that he likes his inexpensive lawn care, etc.

    Your motives are that you’re a dishonest pro immigration subcon.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  123. @ziggurat

    Hey, Ziggy, I appreciate your noticing! I had a friend make that image (he just had the image software at the time and needed a few bucks badly).. I believe I made this in mid-16 and wanted to show the peak at the start of my blogging – late November ’16, though it looks like late-’15, early-’16. I have promised my readers that I’ll change that graph by end-o-bidness-year ’21.

    Who knew? I mean we had mathematical models, man, as per our “About” page:

    Both the National Advisory Commission for Aeronautics graphs seen in the header of Peak Stupidity, and the writer(s) of this blog, predict a peak, and then a large decrease, of the total aggregate stupidity (spacially integrated over the western world). I, I mean we, at this blog have run multi-dimensional, finite-difference-method, multiply-constrained mathematical models on the StupidCanada Research labs’ state-of-the-art quantum computers, all of them wired together with parallel-port cables.
    Though many of the inputs to the model cannot be truly quantified at this time, and many of the processes have not been individually modeled as of publication date (kind of like the Global-Climate-Disruption™ work), our research group has put it all together using 80 million lines of C-flat software code, developed by a guy named Josh in Bombay, India. The output of our models have lots of 3D grids colored green, yellow, and red, and we can make the colors move around like a video, so we know what the hell we’re talking about here.

    Later on that page, you’ll notice that, in all seriousness, I predict that the stupidity level will fall only when the Global Financial Stupidity of the last few decades has taken its toll and the financial SHTF. Things will get real, and lots of the stupidity will stop.

    So, perhaps the graph should go to 2025? (I wouldn’t think any later than that, though it’s not like I’m completely ready for that financial doom yet.)

    • Replies: @sayless
    , @Jack D
    , @ziggurat
  124. @Lurker

    Lurker, what we have are unknown stupidities, known stupidities, stupid unknowns, and stupid knowns, or some such thing that some General told us about a few decades back.

    I worry you are right about that use of words (hoaxers, truthers, deniers …), but you have gotten me thinking of using that for the commenters/readers/myself. It kind of goes with the theme, though I guess it may have been used before for the Peak Oil crowd.

  125. Mike Tre says:
    @D. K.

    If the race/ethnicity of a murder victim is indicative of the race /ethnicity of the offender, since most murders are intraracial, then Hispanics committed murder at 4 times the rate as whites/other in Chicago in 2020. 132 dead hispanics compared to 32 whites/other.

    https://heyjackass.com/category/2020/

  126. Altai says:
    @Luzzatto

    There is a whole YouTube subgenere of Korean and Japanese travel vloggers driving and walking through black ghettos in the US or walking through similar areas in European cities.

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Catdog
    , @Bannon
  127. kihowi says:
    @PiltdownMan

    This is of course so far out there that it’s never going to be taken seriously or implemented, but I love the kind of vision of the future these people have.

    Jakrunkius, what’s the square root of nine?
    “fo”
    That’s not corr…
    “mah cuzzin dun tol me dat”
    …I respect your non-colonialist way of gathering knowledge.

  128. Clyde says:

    Andrew Sullivan points out that, per capita, blacks are charged with more hate crimes than any other group:

    This is very moderate way of putting it. In Philadelphia who do you think is harassing Asians/Vietnamese in schools and elsewhere? Hate crimes against them too. 95% of the time this is black thugs and younger black thugs in training. Whites are not doing this.

  129. @Boomthorkell

    For both of you and D.K.:

    Ron Unz would be the first to tell you (OK, the 2nd now) that his paper adjusted the violent crime rates for age. Now, I see the point of that, if one wants to conclude how the different races/ethnicities/whatever would compare once the demographics are stable. However, that is absolutely NOT the situation right now, with 100,000s of thousands or a million younger Hispanics coming in per year. In the meantime White People are getting older on average quickly in this country.

    I read the paper. I got the idea of Mr. Unz’s methodology. It was a good job, but then it still doesn’t seem to square with my reality when I see “most wanted” posters with tons of Hispanics and when I go to traffic court and see the continual Hispanic DUI cases come up.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Luzzatto
  130. @El Dato

    I have no plans to ever exit the atmosphere.

    The Fauci book cover is a shocker: two people visible and both white males!?

  131. Hibernian says:
    @Patriot

    I now notice many stores in Black areas run by Middle-Easterners, who seem tougher than the former Asians.

    Plus many Black men and a fair number of Black women have an affinity for them, as evidenced by the many Black people with Arabic first and/or last names who may or may not be converts to Islam.

  132. Steve

    Wasn’t the Va Tech shooter a young Korean Man? Weren’t the 9/11 Terrorists young Muslim Men? How about the 1993 attack on the Twin Towers that killed 7….young Muslim men weren’t they?

    The Democratic Party wants to demographic eliminate across America The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority by replacing them with Muslims and Asians.

    Wasn’t the passage of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act an act of Demographic War against the Historic Native Born White American Majority?

    Something to think about:China=HAN RACE POWER!!!….And the Democrats are well aware that they are importing Han People Race Power into America……

  133. Jack D says:
    @AnotherDad

    What you have to understand is that a “hate crime” is fundamentally a political crime (it’s literally a thought crime) so that of course it is charged in a political manner. At common law, there was no such thing as a “hate crime”. All crimes are “hate crimes” – you are doing something that offends the conscience of society and therefore we punish you for your acts. This is entirely sufficient to having a civilization.

    Wokism is totalitarian and totalitarians want to own ALL of you. They want to know and to control not only your conduct but even your thoughts.

    The next step for Wokism is to torture subjects like Robert Long. So far he has only confessed to murder but not to racism, but we KNOW that he is a racist because he is a white man who killed People of Color. Sure it’s better if he just confesses that he is a racist since we already know this but what do we do with obstinate cases who refuse to admit the hatred in their heart? How are we going to be able to truly know what was in his head and punish him for it unless the law is allowed to beat it out of him?

  134. Jack D says:
    @Hibernian

    No, not really. This is just a rejection of “white” identity like naming your kid Deshawntavious.

  135. Barnard says:
    @El Dato

    It will be prominently displayed on the shelves of your local bookstore next to Anti Racist Baby and the kids book about Ruth Biden Ginsberg. This author is smart enough to know what black women will buy for their daughters.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/hair-love-matthew-a-cherry/1129244855?ean=9780525553366

  136. Arclight says:

    The deliberate innumeracy of our political/media class along with the white supremacy conspiracy theory is just a coping mechanism with the fact that prolonged social interventions over the past 60 years have achieved very little in the goal of moving blacks towards parity with whites, and they are completely out of concrete ideas. Thus we must banish inconvenient metrics and impose the appearance of parity through quotas/affirmative action and gaslight the public about what it all means.

  137. MikeJa says:

    You’re wrong.

    If there are only blacks and whites and there are more ‘hate crimes’ committed by whites, it is fair to conclude it’s a bigger problem in the white community. Sure the per capita offender will be higher in blacks but the per capita victims will also be higher.

    I suspect the difference is due to prosecutors more assiduously searching for evidence of hate any time a black guy gets beaten by whites. Whereas a lot of black hate crimes are written off as random violence

  138. WJ says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Stop acting like an angry child. This isn’t the Huffpo.

    • Agree: notsaying
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  139. Altai says:
    @El Dato

    CalArts/Tumblr art isn’t Socialist art, it’s neoliberal art made by people who like to think they’re socialists despite having zero interest in labour, trade or industrial policy.

    They’ve previously made a few for Ginsburg. And the context reminds me of one Afua Hirsch (Ghanaian mother, Jewish-British father, born in Stockholm, seriously identity issues) wrote about the UK high court judge who made the controversial judgement that blocked Brexit for a time in 2019. The central premise is a young girl with a Ghanaian name learning about ‘Judge Brenda’ and how she came from the same Yorkshire town as her.

    Neoliberalism might cause the conditions where people more vocally clamour for populist collectivist economic policies but it also locks itself in place and removes the very social capital and cohesive necessary for it to ever come about. It is the cultural manifestation for an ascendant upper middle class.

  140. Mr. Grey says:

    Wakandan math is beyond the capabilities of most half-Neanderthal Europeans to comprehend, that’s just a fact!

  141. Don’t forget that math is racist.

  142. bomag says:
    @Polistra

    I guess by this logic Whites are mighty peaceful since they commit scant crime in all of Africa and Asia.

  143. @Hibernian

    True. There is an affinity between blacks & Islam.

    Of course, most white or light brown Muslims don’t care for blacks, but blacks are attracted to Islam (or some kind of it) because it gives them pride of belonging to a great historic civilization (many blacks in Africa); also, it isn’t for nothing Islam’s elevation of rabb, God’s slave, to something desirable. Also, Islam is opposed to European whites.

    Plus for blacks & Islam- this religious culture makes you a zombie, you don’t have to think for yourself. Minus- it requires too much discipline, too much to remember (praying 5 times a day in Arabic).

  144. @International Jew

    If you met a virus and an elephant on the street, you would view the virus as a greater risk? If you moved into a neighborhood of 1000 viruses or a neighborhood of 1000 elephants , you would view the virus neighborhood as more dangerous?

    • Replies: @International Jew
  145. Mr. Anon says:
    @Firefinga

    Just like the Congress was declared a “white supremacist” institution in June 2020 and a “temple of democracy” only seven months later. By the very same people.

    Good point.

  146. @Ned Newton

    It also ignores how and why the people of color got to a place where they felt they need to (or even wanted to) commit crimes. If society gives you no options, there’s nothing else to do.

    Pointless to engage a troll, but …

    1) It’s a bit enlightening to get this “standard model” minoritarian sociology and be reminded just how bone-chillingly stupid it is.

    2) If any of this were remotely true, then all minority groups–blacks, Jews, muzzies, Asians, Latinos–would be running from boing old generic white gentiles as fast as they could, and in fact agitate for POC separation. This is, let’s just say, not the pattern we observe.

    Said i before, i’ll say it again:

    Simply saying “Ok, then separate nations“, debunks every minoritarian lie.

    Minoritarians want separation from whites about as much as a vampire longs for sunrise.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  147. @AnotherDad

    Simply saying “Ok, then separate nations“, debunks every minoritarian lie.

    Including, importantly, the Jewish fiction that “WN complaints about Jews are just like black complaints about whites!”

    • Agree: ben tillman
  148. @Hibernian

    Oh please, as if that has anything to do with it.

  149. Ragno says:
    @Polistra

    Yes….that’s why the first thing Negroes do after hitting a big payday is to move away from they own people as fast as they feets can carry them.

    Why not simply compare the violent-crime numbers between vibrant/diverse zip codes and those of all- or mostly-white ones? But do it quick, before Professor Pencilneck and his fellow woke academics get a chance to ‘massage’ the numbers. (PS: equating jaywalking with felony assault by tossing them both into a bin marked CRIME is not precisely ‘scientific’, Professor.)

  150. Mr. Anon says:
    @Wilkey

    Neiwert has worked for MSNBC, the SPLC, and DailyKos – all organizations well-known for their thoughtfulness and moderation.

    And affilliation with the establishment / deep-state. By some accounts Markos Moulitsas, the founder of The Daily Kos, was in training to become a CIA officer.

    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Markos_Moulitsas_Z%C3%BAniga

    Who’s to say he didn’t remain a CIA asset? Of course the CIA would never use a domestic journalist to exert influence on domestic politics (cough, Ben Bradlee, cough).

  151. @Ned Newton

    “Say you are an Asian-American in a crowd of people that reflects a demographic mix that looks like the nation. If you are victimized in a hate crime, the perp is still more than twice as likely to come from the white demographic group.”

    That’s a bald-faced lie.

    The new york times fake news reporters who cooked up this hoax 364 days ago, Sabrina Tavernise and Richard A. Oppel Jr., did not identify a single attacker by race. That means none of them was White. The few I was able independently to racially identify were all black.

    White-on-Asian hate crimes are virtually non-existent; black-on-Asian hate crimes are ubiquitous.

    https://vdare.com/articles/russia-hoax-impeachment-hoax-didn-t-stop-trump-so-new-york-times-tries-anti-asian-hate-crimes-hoax

  152. @Jack D

    The next step for Wokism is to torture subjects like Robert Long. So far he has only confessed to murder but not to racism, but we KNOW that he is a racist because he is a white man who killed People of Color.

    I found it a bit of gallows humor in the 2021 style that Long readily confessed to eight capital murders, but assiduously defended himself against claims that he might be racist.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  153. I can’t believe that the iSteve community missed this gem that seems tailor made for iSteve yuks:

    https://www.axios.com/hard-truths-deep-dive-sports-professional-asian-americans-29be723e-302a-4336-a50c-25e50db18b52.html

    Did you know that Asians are underrepresented as a percentage of their U.S. population in the NFL (and NBA)? Did you know that this is the product of stereotyping Asians as studious?

    Note that the “AAPI” conglomeration was eschewed in this exercise and focuses only on Asians to the exclusion of the “PI.” I wonder why they did this? Could it be that Pacific Islanders are vastly overrepresented in the NFL relative to their numbers as a percentage of the overall U.S. population? In fairness, Pacific Islanders are rarely stereotyped as studious, so perhaps they’re not held back from realizing their full athletic potentials by stereotypes about their studiousness. Are there any stereotypes about whether Samoans and Tongans made good Offensive Tackles? This deserves some investigation, and perhaps we will some day see some Nose Tackles of Japanese heritage and all will be right with the world.

  154. Mr. Anon says:
    @El Dato

    The Anthony Fauci Story: How a boy from Brooklyn grew up to be an incompetent government hack and a tool of the pharmaceutical industry and the globalist overclass.

    • Thanks: Cortes
  155. @Altai

    The illustrator of the Brenda Hale book, “Henny” Beaumont, is married to an eco-builder called Epstein (no relation AFAIK).

    She’s covering most of the bases in that cover illustration, although I couldn’t tell which of the kids was transgender 😉

  156. sayless says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The British government really hates their indigenes.

    You’d think the first and second world wars would have slaked the bloodthirstiness, but no.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  157. sayless says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Agree that the stupidity level will only fall when the Global Financial Stupidity finally takes its toll.

    2025 for the Get Real Time seems overly optimistic to me. On the other hand, an acquaintance was told in a vision–or an audition–that the civil war in Europe would commence in 2030. Ayahuasca.

    On the other other hand, when I was fifteen I understood that the United States was going to collapse, soon. Now I’m sixty-two. Never thought it would take this long. Have spoken to one other person who had the same insight. Now she’s seventy-six. Maybe we were wrong? Thought it would happen in my lifetime, but perhaps not. Maybe should have taken my pension more seriously!

    –Not that I wanted a collapse, either. Even at that age I knew collapses were not pleasant.

  158. I clearly remember the moment in the 6th grade when Miss Brown taught and I understood the idea of a per capita rate. It was a glorious dawn: I realized that mathematics and science promised ever-expanding insights and knowledge. That promise was vindicated in a life full of learning.

    I’d guess that 10% of the population understand the idea. Why such a dismal estimate? A large majority of news stories report absolute numbers rather than rates per capita in all realms of coverage. This was painfully obvious in coverage of the pandemic. For example, a story would report that California had the most cases and Vermont the fewest – as if that were meaningful information. I saw instances of this even in the NYT. Supposedly educated reporters and editors routinely let this stand, without correction. It could be that Neiwert is not being disingenuous, but like many of his journalistic peers simply doesn’t understand what per capita rate is and why it is informative.

    A tour of Neiwert’s wiki and twitter feed is disappointing. One of his favorite argument forms is: evil people say X, you say X, are you evil too? Not: is X true or false? He also seems to believe that “fascist” speech and “disinformation” should be banned.

    • Replies: @vhrm
    , @Jack D
  159. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    We’re definitely in to George Orwell “1984” waters here.

    Honest math is…

    RACIST

    Well, George Orwell gave us some hope that there might be some freedom in the future when he said (words to the effect)

    “Freedom beings with the ability to say 2 + 2 = 4. Once that is achieved, all else follows”

    Can we now say basic math and include honest math regarding crime, racial realities….

    Ah, no. No we can not.

    J Ryan
    Left Behind in Chicago

    • Agree: Lurker
  160. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Luzzatto

    I didn’t see the attempted car jacking. What time was it?

    J Ryan

  161. @Ned Newton

    Let’s put this in the language of reality.

    Let’s not try to understand the math. It’s too hard. Plus math is racist.

  162. It’s cute how Sailer can magically grasp percentiles in service of maligning black people whilst also waxing orgasmic over a fakevax 300 times less potent than your average immune system – a display of feigned ignorance most blatant.

    Verdict: paid CoronaHoax shill.

  163. @D. K.

    Now you’re just making shit up. Only 53% of Hispanics identified as white, and that’s not even a majority as these percentages don’t add up to 100. Time to come clean and admit it.

    I’m not even confident that 30% of Hispanics in the USA would readily identify as white, since Census data pools data from established tenants and homeowners — millions of Hispanics in the USA are effectively homeless itinerant workers residing in poor, underserved counties. Census and pretty much every survey undercounts them, and they’re less likely to identify as white.

  164. anon[252] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    He’s an ethnic German Mennonite convert to Chasidic Judaism (Buberite). Seriously.

    That is quite unusual, could you point to a source for this?

    Also if Neiwert really, truly grew up in a town with lotsa John Birchers around he must be over 60, maybe even in his 70’s. Maybe he was the odd, sensitive, bookish boy who back in the 1950’s developed “daddy issues”?

    • Replies: @Bill P
  165. The per capita figure that most concerns me is the tax dollar amount spent on public school kids.

    This latest federal bailout of public schools ($130B countrywide) will disproportionately go to inner-city schools (i.e. the worstest).

    For instance, Detroit PS will receive $16,200 per capita. Meanwhile, its suburban schools, located in the regions whose residents year in/out pay the high taxes necessary to keep those bankrupt schools open, will receive maybe $100 per kid.

    None of that tax windfall will ever get included in the per capita, published figures that those racist schoolies like to mention (e.g. when they accuse taxpayers of being cheap).

  166. Jack D says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Adam Smith said that there is a lot of ruin in a nation. The ship of state can become increasingly worm eaten and yet will remain afloat until some external force – a financial collapse, conquest by a foreign power, etc. – strikes it and collapses the whole structure. From the outside (as long as you don’t look too closely) the ship looks as sturdy as ever. Its decks bristle with cannon, the banners are hoisted high. Each day the captain (although he does seem to be increasingly feeble) appears and makes a rousing speech to rally the crew. It appears to be sailing as it has for decades until one day the fatal blow reveals that the whole thing was rotten to the core.

    Hemingway’s answer to the question of how you go bankrupt is also apposite:

    Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.

    Gibbon wrote of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. First you have the decline – this is gradual – it can take centuries. And then you have the fall – that happens seemingly overnight. We are well into the decline phase of the American Empire but no one can say when the fall will happen. Had it not been for the unexpected disturbance of the world wars, the European empires might have lasted much longer.

    • Thanks: vhrm
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  167. Bill says:
    @Ned Newton

    If you are victimized in a hate crime, the perp is still more than twice as likely to come from the white demographic group.

    Is there any good reason to believe even this? Why should I believe the absolute number of hate crimes perpetrated by whites is greater than the absolute number of hate crimes perpetrated by blacks? There are celebrated cases of obvious hate crimes perpetrated by blacks which the police refuse to categorize as hate crimes.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  168. Forbes says:
    @Altai

    Irony alert: Neiwert professes “immune to conspiracism” blames “white nationalists” for non-white conduct. LOL!

  169. Forbes says:
    @Ned Newton

    Says “Little Recent Commenting History.”

  170. vhrm says:
    @New Dealer

    I clearly remember the moment in the 6th grade when Miss Brown taught and I understood the idea of a per capita rate. It was a glorious dawn: I realized that mathematics and science promised ever-expanding insights and knowledge. That promise was vindicated in a life full of learning.

    By moving schools or some other effect i didn’t explicitly learn how to do “rate problems” and when i first encountered them later on on some standardized test i remember not being able to puzzle it out. Was stressful enough that i still remember apparently.

    e.g. A 20 gallon tank full of water can be emptied by pump A working alone in 10 minutes or by pump B working alone in 20 minutes. How long does it take to empty the tank using both pumps A and B at the same time? (with standard assumptions that the pumps work at a constant rate and don’t interfere with each other ) (and yes i checked that i can still do it )

    The related thing that still seems really cool (and i give props to Mr. D in my AP Physics (or Chem) class lo so many years ago for explaining it/ getting it to stick) is to use “dimensional analysis” to figure out how to multiply the various rates or ratios hat you have to to get to what you want. Without that i’d often get confused about whether i should be dividing vs multiplying by things. Like … how much flour (say) do you need to buy to make brownies to 7 classes of kids ?

    (0.5 lbs flour / 1 batch) * (1 batch / 9 brownies ) * (2 brownies / 1 kid) * ( 28 kids / 1 class ) * 7 classes = foo lbs flour

    (it’s more obvious w/ fractions written with the horizontal bar but when you set it up right all the units cancel and you just multiply all the numerators and divide by all the denominators and bam! ok it’s not the greatest example since you’d prob calculate how many batches you want to make and then multiply each ingredient by that number, but it’s what came to mind) Heh. good times…

  171. @Chrisnonymous

    In those cases, clearly it’s the elephants I need to fear more.

    Per-capita makes sense, or doesn’t, depending on what question you’re trying to answer, and on the various threats’ numbers. Back in the day, a college professor might have taught these boobs how to think about this, and other, problems. They would have all sat around a seminar table and had a civilized discussion. Back in the day, that is.

  172. @Mike Tre

    You didn’t read the article in detail, nor the comment section. Unz did reconcile this in a followup article.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-building-a-wall-and-hispanic-crime/

    Although ordinary police reports sometimes conflate ethnicity with race, and report Hispanics as white, this is certainly not the case with large state prison systems, given the severe problems they face with racially-based gang violence, so these figures should be regarded as highly reliable. Obviously, the white and Hispanic incarceration rates are actually quite close, while the black figures are an extreme outlier.

    Note also that, in tbe comment section of The Myth of Hispanic Crime, Unz commenter “officious intermedler” demonstrated that the vast majority of Hispanic prison inmates are correctly identified as Hispanic, not white:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/?showcomments

    I did this. It appears to me that the prisons are reporting ethnicity correctly.

    I checked the New York State Department of Corrections website. http://nysdoccslookup.doccs.ny.gov/kinqw00. It allows you to enter a name and generate a list of all prisoners with that name, showing the ethnicity of each. Because (as they say), Hispanics may be of any race, prisoners identified as Hispanic may be shown with a subclassification such as “Hispanic/White,” “Hispanic/Black,” “Hispanic/Native American” or “Hispanic/Other.” I found 89 prisoners named Juan Perez, of whom 88 were classified as “Hispanic” (with a subclassification added in 34 cases) and 1 was classified as “White.” There were 49 named John, Johnny, Johnnie or Jonathan Perez, of whom 48 were classified as “Hispanic” (with a subclassification added in 18 cases) and 1 as “Black.”

    I then checked the New York City Department of Corrections website. http://a073-ils-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/pages/common/find.jsf. That website generates a list of all prisoners with a given name, but the list does not show ethnicity. To get that information, you need to click on each prisoner’s name individually. The NYC website seems to recognize only 4 ethnicities: White, Black, Asian and Other. There were 5 prisoners named Juan Perez or John Perez. All of them were listed as “Other.” Since that number was small, I did a spot check of 40 other prisoners with the surname, “Perez.” I found that 39 of them were classified as “Other” and one was classified as “Black.”

    I also checked the Texas Department of Criminal Justice website. http://offender.tdcj.texas.gov/OffenderSearch/index.jsp. That website generates a list of all prisoners with a given surname and first initial, showing the ethnicity of each prisoner. I found 203 prisoners named “J. Perez,” of which 196 were “Hispanic,” 6 were “White” and 1 was “Indian.”

    The website of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation does not show information about ethnicity. http://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/search.aspx.

    However, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department website does show ethnicity. http://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/search.aspx. There were 226 prisoners named “Juan Perez.” Every single one of them was classified as “Hispanic.” There were 72 prisoners named “John Perez.” All of them were also classified as “Hispanic.”

    By itself, this information doesn’t tell us anything about rates of criminality among Hispanics. But it certainly indicates that, at least in New York, Texas and California, prison officials are not playing politically correct games with classification. They are correctly identifying Hispanic prisoners as such.

    Time to stop the coping, come clean, and admit that you are a liar, and that you are trying to hamper other people’s access to the truth; with the rotten ulterior motive of denying Latinos their civil rights.

    Nothing, I repeat, nothing good can come from the foul way you live. Do the right thing for your health and get morally sanitized. You are infected with evil and it is consuming you.

    Hispanic inmates are not being misclassified as white. Ron Unz is smarter than you. Accept it and move on.

    • LOL: Gabe Ruth
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  173. J1234 says:

    A Daily Kos writer responded that the concept of per capita is “a favorite statistical manipulation of white nationalists” and that the per capita stats inspire mass shootings.

    Turning mundane ordinary things into something evil by conjuring up dubious associations with white nationalism is effective, but the narrative-as-fact process isn’t complete until Saturday Night Live can do a satirical skit on per capita crime statistics. For the left, something isn’t a fact until it has comedic reinforcement.

  174. Jack D says:
    @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    If you think about it, being a racist is WORSE than being a murderer. Brothers in the ghetto murder each other all the time and it ain’t no big thang. No special opprobrium attaches to them – they are not shunned by black society. Their family and friends don’t rat them out or turn them in.Their mothers and grandmothers say that they didn’t do nuthin’. What they are saying by this (to the extent that there is a rational thought process at all) is not that they did not physically pull the trigger but that they are not really deserving of punishment because what they did was within the moral code of the ghetto and is no great offense.

    But racism – that’s literally unforgivable.

  175. @WJ

    Stop acting like I don’t know who’s behind the alt accounts. I will be reporting all confirmed alts to Ron Unz himself if the brigading of stupidity against me continues.

    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @anon
  176. Anonymous[735] • Disclaimer says:

    Okay, so if per capita and proportionality don’t matter, then black people have to give up ownership of the slavery narrative. There were also White slaves, Native slaves, and Asian slaves. So it is ignorant to say that slavery is a “black issue.” Same for the ever-changing official narrative on The Holocaust (peace be upon him.) It was not a Jewish issue at all because proportionality and per capita reasoning are just ignorant whitesplaining.

    Also, 13 do 55. Which isn’t just proportional, it is an absolute majority of murders.

    The rhetoric coming out of the ruling class today is just so sloppy.

  177. per capita statistics are how David Neiwert decides where to live.

  178. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    If you think about it, being a racist is WORSE than being a murderer. Brothers in the ghetto murder each other all the time and it ain’t no big thang.

    Conflict within the tribe is an ongoing issue to be dealt with via tribal standards, because no matter how bad or vicious intra-tribal conflict becomes, the tribe will continue to exist.

    Conflict with other tribes is potentially an existential threat, and therefore much more dangerous. It must be confronted in full tribal unity. “Racism” is therefore a kind of existential threat to the tribe of African-Americans.

    Tribalism is normal for most people in history, and for many peoples in the current year. It’s not necessarily compatible with an industrial civilization.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  179. Jack D says:
    @New Dealer

    The news operates according to Stalin’s maxim that the death of one man is a tragedy but the death of a million men is a statistic.

    Statistics are snoozy – most people turn the page once you start putting numbers and equations and stuff into your article. For example that the IFR of Covid is 15% for an 85 year old but 0.01% for 25 year old. Snooze.

    But say you want to write a story in your paper about the effects of Covid on real people – people will engage with little melodramas like that, where you put a face and name to the tragedy. For one of the people in your profile , you might choose some beloved 85 year old grandmother who used to cook tomato gravy for her large and loving Italian family but you’re not going to write the profile of 1,500 old white people. As your second example, you are going to write about Clarita Sanchez who was a 25 year old single mother and had so much to live for and was just getting her life together when she was taken by Covid.

    So to the average reader, the risk of dying from Covid is same whether you are 25 or 85 even though in fact one 25 year old will die out of every 10,000 who are infected but 1,500 85 year olds will die out of every 10,000 who are infected. But that’s just a boring statistic.

  180. D. K. says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yes, if you were to adjust for the Hispanic age distribution, sex ratio, IQ distribution, educational achievements, and reported-earned-income distribution, inter alia, Hispanic offender rates would look much closer to the offender rates of the older, smarter, better-educated, and higher-earning non-Hispanic White population– which has more females than males, due to our high median age– than what those two groups’ offender rates actually look like; but, if Hispanic immigration, especially illegal migration, is highly biased toward young, unintelligent, uneducated, unskilled, male peasants– as it obviously is– then you are disproportionately importing exponentially more crime than if, instead, our immigration was highly biased toward elderly, intelligent, highly well-educated, skilled, female Japanese professionals. The possibility that the self-selected illegal aliens we have been getting from Latin America, for decades, might criminally offend at lower rates than our native-born non-Hispanic Black population– with which we are, as a practical domestic matter, stuck– neither impresses me nor assuages me. I have nothing against Hispanic aliens, personally; I simply want them to stay in their own countries, and for those who already are present in America as illegal aliens to be rounded up and deported whence they came.

  181. @Jack D

    If you think about it, being a racist is WORSE than being a murderer. Brothers in the ghetto murder each other all the time and it ain’t no big thang. No special opprobrium attaches to them – they are not shunned by black society. Their family and friends don’t rat them out or turn them in.Their mothers and grandmothers say that they didn’t do nuthin’. What they are saying by this (to the extent that there is a rational thought process at all) is not that they did not physically pull the trigger but that they are not really deserving of punishment because what they did was within the moral code of the ghetto and is no great offense.

    But racism – that’s literally unforgivable.

    I always understood this to be a tacit recognition of the fact that, contra our sappy MLK national race religion the more radical black separatists actually won the debate within the black population. When one urban black male shoots and kills another over disrespect or drug turf or whatever, this is a purely intra-tribal – dare I say intra-National – affair. When a white cop (or even a black cop under the direction of the white Nation) kills an urban black male whether justifiably or not this is an inter-tribal, and indeed an inter-National affair. The esteem of the black Nation has been harmed and the outrage must be assuaged by means of tribute and diplomatic entreaties from the white Nation.

    I suppose the cynic will say that the plan was always to get whites to buy into a “content of character” black respectability politics ruse promoted wittingly or otherwise by MLK and his acolytes and promoters like RFK, lulling whites into a somnolescence on race while the more radical separatists got to work within black society. The ground won by the MLK approach is now occupied by the radicals who are able to use the normie memory of Saint MLK as a shield while taking more and more by use of their own swords. GOP appeals to black respectability politics are routine electoral failures (although some argue that the true goal is to create a permission structure for nice white suburban ladies to vote GOP).

    Naturally, without a contiguous geographic homeland within the U.S., blacks are consigned to a Nation-within-a-Nation fate which seems to be simultaneously unsatisfying and irritating for them while unsatisfying and irritating for the rest.

    • Replies: @photondancer
  182. Luzzatto says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Where’s your evidence that genetically the average Hispanic in those cities is 80% Caucasian? Also Hispanics criminals are lumped into White crime statistics way more often than not!
    https://www.elonnewsnetwork.com/article/2019/05/ethnicity-race-arrest-forms
    https://apps.urban.org/features/latino-criminal-justice-data/

    Also where is your evidence that less than 40% of Hispanics identify themselves as White to census takers?

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  183. Everybody will enjoy the piece on the Miami spring break that Prissfactor posted in the newslinks section. Videos of negro youth wilding. They all looked like negroes to me. If there were any non-negroes any where near that they were probably sorry. But the people seemed to be enjoying themselves before it got shut down.

    Happy spring equinox to all!

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  184. Luzzatto says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Where I live Hispanics make up the majority of men who make the local news for being arrested for pedophilia. It’s cultural because the age of sexual consent is legally lower in Latin America than it is in The United States. It’s very common in Latin America for men to catcall girls on the street who look significantly younger than 18. This is what JohnPlywood and Ron Unz want for The United States!

  185. Luzzatto says:
    @Jack D

    Only White racists are seen as worse than murderers. Black racists are rewarded with millions of more dollars in their bank account like Nick Cannon.

    Democrats who believe Nick Cannon did nothing wrong have no moral authority to put up “hate has no home here” signs in their front lawns!

  186. @Altai

    Why so many kids books so soon for this woman? Where are the ones for Antonin Scalia?

    Our library’s book club read The Notorious RBG while she was still alive. I thought it strange that it didn’t mention a case I’d been particularly interested in, Duren v Missouri.

    But it did. My copy just happened to be the last available in the library system. It was the abridged, “young adult” edition. The publisher wanted to cover all the bases. Perhaps even an edition literatura juvenil.

  187. D. K. says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Since you evidently are too fucking lazy to click on links– while nonetheless expecting me to read Ron Unz’ 5500-word article on Hispanic criminality in the United States, in full, before responding to your own bullshitting comments, herein– here is a bit of what you have missed out upon:

    ***

    Hispanic and Latinos by race (2010)[23]
    Race Population % of all Hispanics and Latinos
    White 26,735,713 53.0
    Some other race (Mestizo, Mulatto, etc.) 18,503,103 36.7
    Two or more races 3,042,592 6.0
    Black 1,243,471 2.5
    American Indian and Alaska Native 685,150 1.4
    Asian 209,128 0.4
    Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 58,437 0.1
    Total 50,477,594 100.0

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Race

    ***

    According to the 2017 American Community Survey, 65% of Hispanic and Latinos identified as White. The largest numbers of those who consider themselves White Hispanics come from within the Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Colombian and Spanish communities.[77][78]

    Over a quarter of Hispanic/Latino Americans identify as “some other race”.[79] These “some other race” Hispanics are usually assumed to be mestizos or mulattos.[80] A significant percentage of the Hispanic and Latino population self-identifies as Mestizo, particularly the Mexican and Central American community.[citation needed] Mestizo is not a racial category in the U.S. Census, but signifies someone who is conscious of their Native American and European ancestry. Of all Americans who checked the box “Some Other Race”, 97 percent were Hispanic.[81]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Race

    ***

    If that now seems vaguely familiar to you, at all, that might be because I already laid out the relevant percentages, with even more exactitude, above, where I also included the links which you apparently could not be bothered to click on, before mouthing off with a fatuous claim: so, please, take your “In reality, less than 40% of Hispanics identify as white…” bullshit and stick it up your fat, well-worn asshole. Thanks, in advance!

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Thanks: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  188. vinteuil says:
    @Fred C Dobbs

    Have we hit rock-bottom stupid yet?

    Stupidity, like Bottom’s Dream, hath no bottom.

  189. @Luzzatto

    Octomom is Arab not Hispanic.

    “She attended Nogales High School in La Puente, California… In 1996, Suleman married Marco Gutierrez.” –Wikipedia

    She’s Hispanic by assimilation, not race! Kind of like Carlos Slim, Carlos Menem (RIP), and Abdalá Bucaram, who are also racially Arab.

    There is a lot of phenotype overlap between MENA and Hispanics.

    Seven centuries’ occupation of your peninsula will do that.

  190. Steve, I think turnabout is fair play for Neiwert. (this is self-evidently Neiwert attempting to enforce discipline on whites by stating that understanding and discussing numbers are a “white nationalist plot” – unfortunately as we know, this actually works).

    Perhaps the proper retort is “My grandfather was a Percapitan. My father was a Percapitan. And by God I shall live and remain until my dying breath a Percapitan!”

    Isn’t Neiwert engaging in “Percapitan erasure?” His words are violence against the Percapitan community, which has suffered great humiliations and oppression in the past.

  191. @D. K.

    I don’t click Wikipedia articles, because Wikipedia is not a source. Nothing in the Wikipedia article on Hispanics is in the material it cites. Also, that comment was not addressed to you, but Luzzatto. Try to remember which sock account you’re using, before you get them all banned. You’re treading thin ice, boyo.

    • Troll: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @D. K.
  192. @Reg Cæsar

    Public libraries stock 100 copies of every left-wing title.

    If there’s even a single copy of a less government book listed in the catalog, it’s either lost, checked out, or tattered.

    Then, of course, there’s all the censored titles, i.e. too hot to handle

    Still, I wouldn’t care if every shelf were devoted to a_p_e. Public libraries are Big Government institutions, and need to be abolished.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Anonymous
  193. Catdog says:
    @Altai

    As an American, this is humiliating.

  194. @Jack D

    All crimes are “hate crimes” – you are doing something that offends the conscience of society and therefore we punish you for your acts.

    In law school, we learned that the offence was “disturbing the king’s peace”. It seemed like a strange formulation until I had children.

  195. Bannon says:
    @Altai

    These wokesters are not going to fool the Asians, or get them confused. Asians are immune to this kind of Emperor’s New Clothes stuff.

    Stuff nobody ever said:

    “Don’t go in that neighborhood — it’s chock full of white people.”
    “You don’t want to go to that school, it’s mostly white.”
    “A high percentage of that business’s clientele are increasingly white. Let’s steer clear.”

    • Replies: @Luzzatto
  196. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Stop acting like I don’t know who’s behind the alt accounts.

    Who is that, then?

    I will be reporting all confirmed alts to Ron Unz himself if the brigading of stupidity against me continues.

    If that is needful to you, then please to be doing the necessary.

  197. e.272 says:
    @Jack D

    Yeah, Sullivan is accepting the smuggled premise that there should be such a thing as a “hate crime”. There should not be.

    But it is possible that a crime could be committed based on the perp’s hatred of the group the victim belonged to rather than the victim himself. Extreme example being the serial killer who goes after prostitutes (because his mom was a prostitute) absent of any other connection to the victims.

    It seems to me that there should be a sentencing enhancement for crimes against groups, but not as a separate crime. The group-hate motive strongly suggests he did not commit a one-and-done crime. He needs to be kept under lock and key for longer than someone who committed a crime with a more specific motive. He’s more dangerous.

    IANAL!

  198. gregor says:

    Ah, yes, dividing by population size. Very sneaky “statistical manipulation.”

    This is like saying that Indians are wealthier than Australians.

  199. anonymous[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Conflict with other tribes is potentially an existential threat, and therefore much more dangerous.

    How is it that conflict with other tribes is an existential threat?

    • Replies: @Jack D
  200. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:

    If you can’t per-capita them, join them. The Christians in Rome had it backwards, imposing cryptic syntax on themselves; the only way to beat Ingsoc is with more Ingsoc. Moneyball the problematic data by swapping out race for the best, most fashionable, persistent proxy.

    I see the Eurocrats are trying to drop anglais out of pique. Perhaps by the magic of A.I. we can transliterate each victim’s and perp’s names to a unique blockchain equivalent employing NFTs and the Zodiac in conjunction with traditional hanzi style (Black Twitter heroine 高勵思 leading the way here). None can dispute the modish fairness of this solution. Folksonomical labels for the George Zimmermans and Jussie Smolletts won’t cease to exist but why should our insane, rapacious elite be allowed to conduct business in the common tongue? It’ll get more upper-class prep school kids in criminology and there’s no reason bilingual quis-racial Hispanics should have all the trans-ethnic fun.

  201. Bill P says:
    @anon

    His earlier writings, including the shameful article he wrote for Salon in 2001/2 blaming 9/11 on Saddam Hussein, appear to have been scrubbed.

    He was a somewhat prominent “intellectual” antifa in Seattle from the 90s on. He used to wax rhapsodic about Martin Buber’s I and Thou around then, and became involved with the Jewish community to the point where they were giving him “attaboy” type rewards.

    I think he is around 70. In his 60s at least. He’s a spiteful old man. Really hates the people of the inland NW with a passion. He even wrote an article saying Vicki Weaver got what she deserved.

    • Replies: @anon
  202. Anonymous[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker

    Using numbers as an instrument of social power is relatively recent in the species. With due respect to Foucault’s governmentality spiel, it isn’t surprising that preaching against math class is a box-office winner. The paradox comes from their seeming not to want to banish algebraic witchcraft but instead propitiate the shamans to wield/twist it to the complainants’ political benefit.

    • Agree: Lurker
  203. @Luzzatto

    Where’s your evidence that genetically the average Hispanic in those cities is 80% Caucasian? Also Hispanics criminals are lumped into White crime statistics way more often than not!

    That’s a bald-faced lie. Something the Right seems to specialize in nowadays.

    See this post. Ethnic inmate data is accurate, and that’s exactly what Ron Unz used to demonstrate that Latinos aren’t more violent than whites (in certain states, such as Texas, they are less violent than Anglos):

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-use-of-per-capita-statistics-is-white-nationalist/#comment-4542654

    BTW, this is why the US government wants so many Hispanics to cross the border, while Arabs get harrassed at every turn. The United States is not dumb and they do not let large numbers of Hispanics in to the country at their own peril; they know which populations are threats and which aren’t.

    So you can protest ’til you’re red in the face but things will continue to go in ways you don’t want them to, and inconvenient data (such as the sustained decline in the national murder rate as the Hispanic population more than doubles, triples, quadruples) will continue to accumulate at an accelerating rate. Meaning you exist in a state of perpetual torment and powerlessness, while people like me laugh at you and throw inconvenient statistics in your face. It wasn’t sadism, you’re a glutton for punishment.

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Jack D
  204. @Polistra

    I actually agree that we should take care not to valorize the identities of killers. But I think we should maintain an evenhanded approach to that, which probably makes me a thought criminal now.

    It’s a rule that applies only when the criminal looks like this:

  205. Jack D says:
    @anonymous

    How is it that conflict with other tribes is an existential threat?

    Take a stroll thru N. Philly at 3AM. If you survive and you haven’t figured it out yet, then I will tell you the answer. But first you must go for that stroll.

    • Replies: @anon
  206. Luzzatto says:
    @Bannon

    I have lived in White neighborhoods and I have lived in racially diverse Multiracial neighborhoods. I have never encountered any problems in either one. But I would never take my chances in a Black neighborhood!

  207. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    Thanks. Do you have any links?

    I think he is around 70. In his 60s at least. He’s a spiteful old man. Really hates the people of the inland NW with a passion. He even wrote an article saying Vicki Weaver got what she deserved.

    How special, and how ironic.

    In fact, Neiwert is exactly the sort of person that he’s warning all the rest of us to beware.

  208. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    Jack D’s retail answer: Take a stroll thru N. Philly at 3AM.

    Exactly.

    A wholesale answer from prehistory when the Yamnaya were the “other tribe”:

    https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/spanish-men-were-completely-wiped-out-by-the-arrival-of-a-new-tribe-4000-years-ago/

    • Replies: @bomag
  209. Jack D says:
    @JohnPlywood

    The old stereotype of the Mexican was either he was a bandolero wearing gunman or else he was a drowsy peasant, difficult to rouse from his siesta. Mexicans seem to sort of swing back and forth between the two stereotypes.

    On good days, it looks like the Hispanics will follow the path of the Southern Italians – a generation or two of involvement with organized and disorganized crime and then gradual integration with the rest of America, especially with their fellow Catholics. On bad days, we are reminded that many Latinos (not all) have a high % of non-white blood and the implications that has for their IQ and therefore for their future success. Southern Italians peasants were a rough and uneducated bunch but fundamentally they were white Europeans and once given access to bathtubs and schools and stuff like that they were no different than other Europeans but Latinos are not the same. Italy (even the south) has mostly overcome its backwardness but Latin America doesn’t appear likely to ever reach Western levels. Even formerly civilized places like Buenos Aires have fallen behind, likely because (despite what they pretend) their population has up to 35% Indian blood, depending on the region.

  210. @Jack D

    Jack, do you refer to Adam Smith, the Unz/Peak Stupidity commenter, or Adam Smith, the Scottish economist?

    OK, seriously, I have heard Adam Smith’s saying, and, in fact, it’s the title of a 3-part series on my blog from a couple of years back. I really like the way you put it in your first paragraph, though. I think the final fall can best be predicted financially. Even without any unexpected events, what can’t go on, won’t got on, money-wise.

  211. Summary of SPLC’s argumentation: blacks commit more crimes against whites bc they’re poorer, segregated, and because they are more likely to come into contact with white people in the course of their daily life than the other way around.

    It would be good to have a primer on this, all our arguments, all of theirs, with refutation, everything tagged and categorised so to find stuff quick.

    https://www.splcenter.org/20180614/biggest-lie-white-supremacist-propaganda-playbook-unraveling-truth-about-%E2%80%98black-white-crime

    The relevant paragraphs, the rest is emotive blather:

    »Spinning crime statistics

    To reach a wider audience, Taylor produced The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Violence in America, a brief 1999 report that relied on a sloppy interpretation of crime statistics linking race and IQ, and thus claiming that crime has a racial and biological basis. It purported to provide indisputable proof that not only did black people commit more crimes, but also that there was an epidemic of black-on-white violent crime that went unreported.

    The findings of the report drew on an authoritative source: the “1994 Crime Victimization Survey” released by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics. While Taylor’s reporting of the statistics was accurate — there were, in fact, higher rates of violent crime committed by black people, and crimes committed by blacks against whites than the reverse — his interpretation of the data was flawed.

    By taking crime statistics at face value, Taylor made the same mistake Frederick Hoffman did in 1896: blaming higher rates of black crime on an innate black criminality, when in fact those disproportionate crime rates could be explained by poverty and related structural disadvantages. On average, African Americans were — and remain — far poorer and more likely to live in disadvantaged neighborhoods than whites. Concentrated poverty has a criminogenic effect: lack of access to jobs, increased idle time and poorer educational opportunities all increase one’s chances of engaging in criminal behavior, and the effect is the same for black and white people. One study, released three years before The Color of Crime, found that when sociologists controlled for structural disadvantages, there were no significant differences between crime rates in black and white communities.[59]

    A 2014 Bureau of Justice Statistics study showed that persons from poor households experienced the highest rates of violent victimization, and that rates were consistent for both blacks and whites.[60] When sociologists asked “Is Poverty’s Detrimental Effect Race-Specific?” they found the answer was no: policies aimed at reducing poverty effectively reduced violent crime and the crime reduction rates were similar in both black and white neighborhoods, meaning it was poverty — rather than race — that contributed to the violent crime rate in the first place.[61]

    Taylor’s claim that blacks consciously targeted whites and were, in fact, committing “hate crimes,” presupposed that all interracial crimes were acts of racial malice. While Taylor suggested interracial crime was a rampant problem, the vast majority of violent crimes are intraracial, meaning victims and perpetrators are far likelier to be of the same race. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics report from 2000, among white victims of violent crime, 73 percent were attacked by other whites. Among black victims, 80 percent were victimized at the hands of another black person.

    The argument that black people who commit crimes are specifically seeking out white victims is simply not true. In an article in the American Journal of Sociology, for example, sociologist Robert M. O’Brien pointed out that population size and the impact of segregation help explain why overall rates of black-on-white crimes are higher than white-on-black crimes. Essentially, black people are far more likely to come into contact with white people in the course of their daily life than the other way around.[62]

    Despite its many methodological errors, Taylor released updated versions of The Color of Crime in 2005 and 2016, which feature new sections on discriminatory policing. It continues to be a standard text within white nationalist circles.«

    • Replies: @mc23
    , @theo the kraut
  212. mc23 says:
    @Ned Newton

    One of five men committed a murder. One is black and the other four are white.

    You have no other information. For a million dollars who is the most likely perp?

    You won’t need a pencil do do the math.

  213. mc23 says:
    @theo the kraut

    Here, I thought I was being targeted on the subway when I was one of the few white riders.

    Someone should set up a Go Fund Me to support some empirical testing. You know, in case somebody gets hurt.

  214. @theo the kraut

    btw, I tried to save this page with archive.is and archive.org, but the SPLC keeps blocking these services with error 404 and 503… 🙄

    • Replies: @vhrm
  215. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    but Latin America doesn’t appear likely to ever reach Western levels. Even formerly civilized places like Buenos Aires have fallen behind, likely because (despite what they pretend) their population has up to 35% Indian blood, depending on the region.

    If you bracket out income flows from fuel and mineral exports and you add a fudge factor to correct for the wretched income distribution, the typical Latin American country has a per capita product similar to that of the United States in the brief interval between the end of the Depression and the beginning of the war. Illiteracy rates are in single digits everywhere and the phenomenon is confined to the older age brackets. Life expectancy at birth is now similar to that of the U.S. ca. 1995. Latin America suffers from wretched crime rates and poor civil administration. Taken as a whole, the region is modern. Argentina’s loss of relative standing has been ongoing since the 1920s. However, Chile, Uruguay, and Panama have been improving incrementally vis a vis the west and are now near-affluent countries.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  216. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

    I think you’re onto something there. It would explain the differing emotional reactions even though the victim is just as dead.

  217. @Abolish_public_education

    Rural multi-county library alliances may have a thinner selection than the metro systems, but often there is a reactionary librarian or two in the boonies who will take a chance. That is true of Irreversible Damage here. The college towns in our system won’t touch it, but we do have a single copy in a four-digit burg, with a long waiting list, of course.

    Then again, that may help with sales.

  218. lavoisier says: • Website
    @vhrm

    ok not that writing for Daily Kos doesn’t already suggest he’s a full on activist.

    Not to mention a full on moron.

  219. D. K. says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Wikipedia.org entries are often the quickest and easiest way for commenters to present information; those articles contain footnotes, leading to their source materials, for us grownups to use, Zippy.

    For the 2010 United States Census results:

    https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-04.pdf

    The discussion on the race data for Hispanics in America is found on pages 13-15 of the PDF, with the easy-to-read chart of nominal and proportional values being found on page 14.

    For the 2017 American Community Survey results:

    https://archive.ph/20200214061015/https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_17_1YR_B03002&prodType=table

    Sorry, Zippy, but you will have to prove that you are not a robot, in order to access the page with the relevant chart. Good luck with that!

  220. @Luzzatto

    The royal mural at 1:55 contradicts the “My America” one at 3:00.

    That Sphinx Club looks like it may have been worth a visit in its heyday. Not anymore.

  221. @Jack D

    An accurate account. Southern Brazil and Northern Argentina were making great strides a few generations ago, but are lately backsliding horribly. This unfortunate trend happens to coincide with a tremendous influx of mestizos from the tropical latitudes. But that’s just coincidence.

    Even Uruguay isn’t as civilized as it used to be, though I know comparatively little of its demographic trends.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Art Deco
  222. Mike Tre says:
    @JohnPlywood

    ” this is certainly not the case with large state prison systems, given the severe problems they face with racially-based gang violence, so these figures should be regarded as highly reliable.”

    LOL – if prisoners that fall under the definition of the term hispanic were all segregated with each other in prison, there would be riots daily. Do you think state prisons integrate mulatto Dominicans with mestizo El Salvadorians or Mexicans because they both can be defined as Hispanic? You and Ron unz apparently have no understanding of the hostility that Caribbean, Central, and South American “hispanics” have for each other.

    “Note also that, in tbe comment section of The Myth of Hispanic Crime, Unz commenter “officious intermedler” demonstrated that the vast majority of Hispanic prison inmates are correctly identified as Hispanic, not white:”

    “officious intermeddler” – you could at least spell his name right Nataraj- later in the discussion walks back some of his previous claims after realizing the methodology used by state corrections to classify prisoners is questionable to say the least. Much of his other data is refuted by other commenters.

    Lastly, you don’t address my point about unreported crime at all. As I said in another comment:

    If the race/ethnicity of a murder victim is indicative of the race /ethnicity of the offender, since most murders are intraracial, then Hispanics committed murder at 4 times the rate as whites/other in Chicago in 2020. 132 dead hispanics compared to 32 whites/other.

    To add, of those 132 dead hispanics, there are only NINE known assailants. That means there are 120 presumably “hispanic” murderers walking free in the Chicagoland area as we speak. And that is only for 2020. And that is only for Chicago. And that’s not counting the Hispanic rapists, armed robbers, thieves, batterers, etc that have perpetrated their crimes with no consequence.

    Just because Ron Unz cannot and does not account for those at large perps, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    I work in and around Chicago every day. It is ~30% hispanic. Ron Unz plays with numbers and expects me to believe him over my own lyin’ eyes. You are a pro immigration, anti-white Hindu who hails from the unwiped ass crack of planet Earth. Your envy of the white man is understandable. The only cure for it is to go back.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  223. @vhrm

    Indeed, https://archive.ph/pch6T works fine, too, (though https://archive.ph/qy1yL doesn’t) so this was just a temporary snag.

  224. Luzzatto says:
    @Jack D

    Hispanics in The U.S are like the North African Arabs of France. That’s a way more accurate comparison than comparing Hispanics to Tri-State Area/Northeast Italians!

  225. Jack D says:
    @HammerJack

    The problem in the modern world (we see this in many countries) is that the higher IQ more Westernized urban people have a low birthrate and the lower IQ less modern people from the countryside have a higher birthrate and keep sending their surplus population to the cities. If this goes on for a few generations, the latter group overwhelms the former and the country ends up going backward.

    • Replies: @Anon
  226. Jack D says:
    @Art Deco

    The US standard of living circa 1939 was nothing to write home about. The average person was pretty poor by modern standards – they lived in much smaller houses or apartments without air conditioning. Only the rich took foreign vacations. If they lived in a city they probably rode the trolley everywhere and didn’t own a car. If they did, it was just 1 car for the whole family. Most people were not hungry but their diet was pretty basic. Etc.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    , @Johann Ricke
  227. Anon[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    The problem in the modern world (we see this in many countries) is that the higher IQ more Westernized urban people have a low birthrate

    What would you propose the nation do to increase White birthrates? It could encourage Whites to pair off and start families.

  228. @Polistra

    The tragic results of living fossils who the accidents of evolution have not blessed with full humanity.

    Multicultural America may be the answer to Fermi’s paradox: Enlightened space travelers know that merely contacting lesser creatures would start a downward spiral of grievance, jealousy and endless demands to gibsmedat that would only end in the greater civilization’s death through resource exhaustion.

  229. @Mike Tre

    I work in and around Chicago every day. It is ~30% hispanic. Ron Unz plays with numbers and expects me to believe him over my own lyin’ eyes.

    Plywood is a mendacious anti-white punk, I fully agree, but what could your “eyes” really tell you about hispanic crime in Chicago? How many crimes have you ever actually seen them commit and why that even mean anything? Perhaps you’re referring to some kind of menacing “look” they have, but that can only make you wary of them (and their potential for crime), it can’t tell you anything specific about their crime rates.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    , @Mike Tre
  230. @silviosilver

    Eh, we had a gang of illegal drug dealers who lived down the road a ways. Cops never dealt with them, being King County. Eventually they kidnapped a drugged up sister of a friend and held her for a few days (actions have consequences, buttttt…..) Anyhow, she eventually escaped. Still, cops didn’t do a rape test or look into it. Now, I was at college, and these damn girls are such a secretive family they didn’t tell anyone of us for a while, so we couldn’t go make an effective lynch mob in a timely manner.

    I guess what I’m getting at with this is, illegal “Hispanic” criminals do exist, and they do have an effect, and how many more of them are there, being uncounted? More importantly, I guess it’s the general idea anyway of “What’s the point of a criminal immigrant at all?” Immigrants should come to a country with a crime rate of nil, whatever they are, if they have any decency about them. I wouldn’t go to China with a vision of being a Triad.

    Our legal and illegal Mexican neighbors are good, though, and honestly, I’m all for abolishing NAFTA and replacing it with a genuine Federacion Del Norte Americano, and whatever Quebec would call it. Everyone can be happy then, except the people who made money off of the current state of things.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  231. @Boomthorkell

    That all misses the point of my question though, which was how can your eyeballs alert you to what the “true” picture of hispanic (or any group’s) crime is? Mike Tre suspects Unz’s arguments about hispanic crime are false because he lives in Chicago and Chicago is 30% hispanic. Ok, but so what? How does the mere fact of living there and seeing hispanics on the streets give him the insight necessary to “know” that Unz’s arguments are wrong? Seeing people on the streets can give you hunches, but the main thing hunches seem to do is give people a false sense of confidence that they know what they’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Boomthorkell
    , @bomag
  232. Steve, your writings are great, as always
    BUT

    @isteve still is too tame and shy
    It is very incomplete to cite crime statistics without mentioning that they are totally biased, and falsified, to make black crime, especially black hate crime, look better

    Mentioning statistics without clarifying that they are totally PC embellished, is incomplete information.

    In other words, I would guess that 90% of black hate crime is not reported, while a large percentage of white hate crime are hoaxes, or self defense.

    A black BLM mob hunting a dozen whites, does that go into statistics as 1200 hate crimes, 100 blacks hunting 12 whites?

    Black crime much worse than statistics
    https://4racism.org/worse-black-crime.html

    Snitches get stitches, witness intimidation, Blacks don’t report crime (shot spotter), Bronx Juries, ,Hispanics criminals `counted as “white” increase white crime …
    White criminality gets inflated, black criminality gets embellished ….

  233. Some explanation why “minority” hate crime is infinitely higher than the already high rate cited in the above statistics.

    Let us propose a study project as to
    how many dozens hate crimes are committed daily in one single majority black High School.
    Threats, sexual harassment, beatings, …
    Students don’t report,
    teachers will not pursue,
    teachers are not allowed to punish (disparate impact, dear colleague letter, ),

    Multi-Level coverup – Compounded repression
    https://sincerity.net/multi-level-coverup/

    minority crime gets covered up by
    1) victims and witnesses,
    2) police,
    3) media

    Victims of minority criminals under-report,

    police hesitate to investigate and to report minority criminals to media,

    media downplay, ignore, hide minority crime.

    Knowledge of police and media coverup makes victims even more reticent to report minority crime

    Information about minority crime is repressed through consecutive “filters” of cover-ups, of the style #PresseKodex12.1. These consecutive truth-repressing cover-ups compound to greatly reduce the apparent frequency of minority crime.

    This is just like light passes through consecutive tinted windows and sun glasses. It gets darker and darker, as shown in the graphic

  234. Mike Tre says:
    @silviosilver

    I’ve never actually seen a negro shoot another so I suppose Tiny Duck really is right about negroes as well.

    But when I actually lived in Bridgeport I had my garage and my car broken into. Police that came to take the report referred to hispanic groups being mostly responsible for break ins in that area. Before my grandparents finally moved out of the Back of the Yards neighborhood in the late 90’s, their garage was getting broken into almost once a month. Their block was almost entirely mestizo at the time.

    But I sit on various job sites all over Chicago. I see the litter. I see the behavior. I see the condition of their housing. I see and smell the mestizo laborers getting drunk and high. Ever been offered a Bud light tall can at 8:30 am on a Tuesday by slurring Mexican? But I suppose that just confirms legendary Latino hospitality!

    I again refer you to the homicide numbers for 2020 by race I posted elsewhere. Dead bodies don’t lie.

    My wife is a social worker dealing in child separation. In her 25 years of experience, hispanics see the most cases of incest, even though hispanic families rarely have their children taken by DCFS, in relative terms. Funny, that.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  235. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    Comparatively austere, but within living memory.

  236. Mike Tre says:
    @silviosilver

    “ Mike Tre suspects Unz’s arguments about hispanic crime are false because he lives in Chicago and Chicago is 30% hispanic. ”

    If you’re going to take what I say out of context, then there is little value in discussing anything with you.

    The point of my statement was that data should , at least to some extent extent, reflect what we see with our own eyes. It doesn’t. Plenty of others have pointed out the flaws in Unz’ data and the way it is interpreted. It is certainly worth pointing out that Unz may benefit from actually living in an apartment complex in say, Pacoima, CA, for a year where he can contrast his 2D data with his 3D experience. I have also made plenty of other points regarding hispanic criminality that you, plywood and Unz all ignore.

    By all means, believe hispanic crime is equal to whites. The dead bodies tell a different tale.

  237. Art Deco says:
    @HammerJack

    Real per capita product in Argentina was at it’s peak in 2011 (it’s about 7% off peak now – they’ve had a lost decade). It’s decline relative to other affluent countries, not absolutely. It’s per capital product in 1928 was 60% that of the U.S. in 1928 and is about 1/3 that of the U.S. today. Uruguay also lost relative ground from about 1928 to 1967, then fluctuated around a set point for 40 years, then began to improve in the last dozen years. Uruguay’s had some problems with street crime in recent years, though still less so than what’s typical in Latin America. The political life in Uruguay in the last 35 years is about as congenial as it has ever been; ditto Argentina.

    As for Brazil, same deal. Real per capita product was at its peak in 2013. Vis a vis the United States, it’s never been as affluent as it has been in the last decade. The yuge problem in Brazil is street crime. homicide rates are more than 5x what you’d find in the United States and more than 20x was is the norm in Europe.

    Note, all three countries have satisfactory life expectancy and literacy levels. Argentina’s the only one of the three with double-digit inflation.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  238. @silviosilver

    Well, it could be deeper than just anecdotes. Maybe his point is that statistics don’t match up to the reality. Sort of like how more blacks should be arrested for their crimes than currently are, or if one looked purely at statistics on Antifa-types, one would see almost no convictions, meaning they must be innocent people (clearly not the case, but politics).

    Anyhow, as far as I know, most Hispanics reach a “white” level of crime, with illegals, poor people, and gangs always being troublesome. Honestly, the last three wouldn’t be an issue in a halfway decent country, which would really normalize crime rates.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  239. @Jack D

    The US standard of living circa 1939 was nothing to write home about.

    Compared to today, sure. But compared to the rest of the world? Brits who encountered GI’s for the first time, after they arrived in numbers in the wake of Pearl Harbor, were impressed by the fact that they were bigger and taller. Nutritionally, they were far better off than most of the rest. That’s a reflection on their relative prosperity. Where many were malnourished even in the prewar era, Americans were getting all the food they needed.

  240. bomag says:
    @anon

    From the link:

    Other research has also highlighted the dramatic shifts in population as a result of the Yamnaya arriving. It’s thought that they replaced half of Europe’s genetic ancestry within a few hundred years, with a study last year suggesting 10 men for every one woman migrated into Europe as part of the group – an “extreme” ratio.

    Today, we seem to be beating that replacement velocity.

  241. bomag says:
    @Brutusale

    So gross.

    Who knew it would be this expensive.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
  242. bomag says:
    @silviosilver

    That all misses the point of my question though, which was how can your eyeballs alert you to what the “true” picture of hispanic (or any group’s) crime is?

    “Eyeballs” are a figure of speech for one’s lived experience in an area. Few people with experience in both areas agree with Ron’s assessment.

    One large problem with Ron’s analysis is that he relies on state incarceration rates, and assumes federal prisons will reflect the same ratios.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  243. @MEH 0910

    Clever riposte (and troll) by Sullivan. Credit where it’s due.

  244. @AndrewR

    I don’t think the woke celebrities are being shamelessly dishonest. I think they’re both deluded and dumb. Niewert really doesn’t understand the concept of proportionality and population weighting. He’s simply stupid.

    But the guys who run Dem-e aren’t stupid. David Axelrod certainly understands, David (“I elect Democrats”) understands, and even Charles (800 Math SAT) Schumer* understands.

    They understand it, they know it. They are just “shamelessly dishonest.” Shamelessly and flagrantly.

    *Kirsten Gillibrand does not understand this. She’s simply dumb.

  245. @Mike Tre

    I’ve never actually seen a negro shoot another so I suppose Tiny Duck really is right about negroes as well.

    If he wants to pretend that blacks don’t kill at vastly higher rates then whites, then it’s easy enough to refute him by the available statistical evidence.

    In the case of hispanics though, the statistical evidence, such as it is, doesn’t suggest such a massive disparity. If it did, you wouldn’t have to cite your personal experiences.

    As for your personal experiences hispanics, your argument seems to be that if whites and hispanics have similar (or the same) crime rates, why don’t you see whites behaving the way hispanics do?
    I agree that that’s the sort of thing that would tip you off to the possibility that the disparity between white and hispanic crime rates is greater than Unz (whom I don’t trust at all, fwiwi) argues it is; by itself, it’s too subjective to refute him though.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  246. @bomag

    “Eyeballs” are a figure of speech for one’s lived experience in an area.

    What I question is how generalizable those experiences are. Too often the assumption seems to be that everywhere that hispanics live is like that. Well, it may be, but it may not. If you are sure that it is, what exactly makes you so sure? I don’t find the answers to this question very convincing, but I’m not claiming they’re definitely wrong. I would just like people think a little more about what precisely makes them so sure of themselves.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @bomag
  247. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abolish_public_education

    Libertarianism is a dead issue. Our new demographic will never support it. Public education is here to stay forever.

  248. ziggurat says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    … our research group has put it all together using 80 million lines of C-flat software code …

    Well, C flat is better than C minus minus. With just a couple tweaks, I’m sure we can depend on it.

    If physics were working a la “The Road Runner” cartoon, we would be racing toward the canyon floor a la the “Wily Coyote”.

    But it seems like we keep looking down and nothing happens. Strange world!

  249. @silviosilver

    My impression is the Mexican parts of Los Angeles have gotten less violent in the 21st Century than in the 20th Century.

  250. @silviosilver

    My impression is that Los Angeles Chicanos had pretty high murder rates in the 20th Century, but Latino murder rates in Southern California are well down from 40 years ago.

  251. bomag says:
    @silviosilver

    Too often the assumption seems to be that everywhere that hispanics live is like that.

    Most people understand the concept of a general trend; of averages.

    Some people think in terms of 0 or 1.

    Same mistake is made the other way when it is announced that all Hispanics are good, everywhere, all the time.

  252. Brutusale says:
    @bomag

    Nothing says that I’m a deluded old Boomer like thinking that a young white girl would have nothing to do with a black kid with neck tattoos.

    Maybe it was the “green pill”.

    • Replies: @bomag
  253. @Boomthorkell

    Well, it could be deeper than just anecdotes. Maybe his point is that statistics don’t match up to the reality.

    Thank you for that, BoomThor, and you also reminded me about a factor that Ron Unz definitely does NOT take into account. There is a legal system for the regular American, and then there is a different legal system for the illegal alien. It’s not like you can ID every one of these guys (for one thing, the IDs are fake to begin with), and it’s not like most Americans in the legal system can tell them all apart. There are way too many for one guy to be picked out as THE drunk driver that killed the family of 3 and high-tailed it out of there.

    For any crimes in which there is bail, any illegal Mexican can go back into Mexico and come back next year as a different guy. Jose is now Jose-B. Ron Unz’s numbers don’t account for those Hispanics who do not ever make it into prison because they have never been found or were lost in the system. Not only that, but because the chances are lower for obtaining justice, the legal system will not work so hard on the small crimes committed by these guys.*

    I’ll believe Mike Tre over Ron Unz on this one.

    .

    * Let’s not even get into the cheating on the income tax for those who do file. Mucho ninos and ninas end up on the forms. Mucho child tax credits y mucho earned income tax credits. Mucho dollaros.

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @D. K.
  254. D. K. says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Plus, every illegal-alien male, between the ages of 18 and 25, is required to register with the Selective Service System:

    https://www.usa.gov/selective-service

    I suspect that their compliance is fairly close to 0%– which would mean that the vast majority of all of the young illegal-alien males present within the United States are (unindicted) federal felons, by the age of 18 years and thirty days, or within thirty days of their illegally arriving in the United States, as young adults.

  255. bomag says:
    @Brutusale

    In 1994, in the wake of OJ whacking Nicole Brown, the Wall Street Journal opined: “this is a reminder that White woman-Black man is unsafe at any speed”. Surprisingly based, even for that long ago time.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  256. Polistra says:
    @Art Deco

    Real per capita product in Argentina was at it’s peak in 2011 (it’s about 7% off peak now – they’ve had a lost decade). It’s decline relative to other affluent countries, not absolutely. It’s per capital product in 1928 was 60% that of the U.S. in 1928 and is about 1/3 that of the U.S. today.

    You have really got to learn when to use apostrophes in the English language.

    And especially when not to.

  257. Polistra says:
    @bomag

    Couldn’t find that one, and I did look, but it’s quite possible that the WSJ hides its archives from public view.

    Did find this, however:

    CNN anchorman Don Lemon said, “We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men.”

    • Replies: @bomag
  258. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Polistra
  259. bomag says:
    @Polistra

    Thanks for that quote.

    I looked a little while for my quote; between being early internet, and an editorial item, I didn’t find anything.

    My memory is plenty flawed, but this was unique enough that I committed it to long term storage.

    • Replies: @Polistra
  260. bomag says:
    @MEH 0910

    …without a single tiny criticism in it

    I’m trying to come up with an analogy. Kendi’s world is the headquarters of a drug cartel: you enter respectfully; move obsequiously, make no waves. Then you leave and hope they don’t do too much evil.

  261. Polistra says:
    @MEH 0910

    Bina Juhi Venkataraman

    We’re going to need a new version of Every Single Time.

  262. Polistra says:
    @bomag

    Right, I have a number of items like that.

    It’s one reason I keep hard copies of things, but unless I scan them in and give them good names, they can be hard to find when you need them.

    Google and AWS and even the Internet Archive are becoming notorious (among us bad-thinkers) for deleting stuff that the Current Year doesn’t approve of..

    • Replies: @photondancer
  263. @Polistra

    I’m actually considering resuming a dead-tree newspaper subscription for this reason. I’ve seen articles vanish from websites too many times.

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