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An anonymous iSteve commenter writes:

I was redpilled by the shocking absence of promising young blacks killed by cops. The best they could come up with were Trayvon and Michael Brown. No wonder that Emmitt Till is still the go to victim.

https://www.fatalencounters.org

Around the active protests over Michael Brown, there were three other blacks killed by cops. One was mentally ill and attacking cops with a knife, one was caught on tape firing at an officer, a third was on home detention (broken) on a weapons charge and posted pictures of his weapons on social media. After an initial outcry, these were quickly abandoned as highly unsympathetic figures.

All they could come up with were juveniles who had suppressed records.

The popularity of crowdsourced crime data has dropped as it failed to support the narrative.

Data is a white thing, but the depressing lack of sympathetic victims is well known in the Black community. Hence the over reaction to any possible case. Charlotte was the end after the vic, who was shot by a black cop then proven to have been armed with both a mental and a criminal history.

The sympathetic Black victims are inevitably murdered by blacks.

Blacks are race realists by proximity and know these things. Meanwhile, the best their white leftist allies can come up with are micro aggressions.

In addition the anti incarceration movement was gearing up. Unfortunately, this was the last thing needed in black urban neighborhoods. The failure of the Civil Rights movement to improve outcomes for the typical black is undeniable.

So Clinton reformed/reduced welfare, housing projects were torn down, mass incarceration was tried and rejected, education was failing to reduce the racial performance gaps. And all they had was micro aggressions and unconscious racism.

Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.

For example, in 2010 I got involved in investigating a law enforcement shooting of a teenager in a local parking lot. I happened to run into the bereaved mother also looking for clues, and encouraged her to sue. A judge eventually awarded her $3 million.

But this case got zero publicity until the judgment came down, because nobody cares about white-on-white shootings. The fact that racism couldn’t be involved, just poor decisions by the all the participants, civilians and LEO, made it boring to the media.

There are plenty of cases like this every year in the U.S., in which the shooter and shootee are the same race, so moralizing about racism doesn’t enter into it. We all have an interest in cops getting better trained to make better decisions, including cops.

Similarly, it could be reasonably argued that advances in technology, such as GPS monitors, and the decline in crime culture since the early 1990s crack era, would allow for a judicious shortening of prison sentences, which would save the taxpayer money. (I don’t know if this is true, but I’d definitely listen to somebody who started his appeal for shortening sentences in the 2010s by admitting that liberals made a huge mistake in the 1960s by reducing sentences. But barely anybody would do that because it undermined The New Jim Crow conventional wisdom.)

Unfortunately, conversely, there’s nothing more disastrous than the Establishment, such as the President, telling blacks that their unfortunate outcomes are the result of White Evil. And that’s exactly what the Good and the Great did during Obama’s second term, with bad consequences.

 
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  1. Philando Castile– a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him–seemed pretty sympathetic. So did the guy in Ohio who picked up up a pellet gun in a sporting goods store.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Earl Lemongrab

    There was also the black security guard at a club shot by cops. Given how little we’ve heard about that one, I assume the cop who shot him wasn’t white.

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules - she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    , @donut
    @Earl Lemongrab

    Injustice is endemic to any society in any age . The abuse of the coercive powers of the state is probably better restrained in our time than in any other time in history since Hunter-Gatherers . That of course is all over . Having proven ourselves unworthy of freedom we have surrendered it .

    , @Bubba
    @Earl Lemongrab

    Philando Castile was killed by a police officer named Jeronimo Yanez, not by a white guy. Hence, Obama and his sycophants could not exploit it to further the radicalization of the criminal justice system.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Earl Lemongrab


    Philando Castile– a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him–seemed pretty sympathetic
     
    Yes, but he was licensed to carry, not licensed to carry while under the influence. Nobody is. Minnesota's gun groups were ready to stand up for him, but that revelation made it impossible.

    It was the collision of two incompetents.
    , @anon
    @Earl Lemongrab

    he was drunk while carrying thats illegal- more to the point shit happens in a nation this large where we have such a violent underclass and the need for a pretty tough police force to deal with them mistakes will be made thats not institutional racism (not that racism even has a sensible meaning in a pejorative way) its just a fact of institutions of any size they make mistakes they hire the wrong guys sometimes and fail to catch them before they screw up the best of guys make mistakes and pure chance sometimes works against you.It doesnt matter a wit if half a dozen blacks a year are shot by whit cops when ideally they shouldnt be given the number of black criminals and cops it would be expected its actually incredible it doesnt happen

  2. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:

    “The best they could come up with were Trayvon and Michael Brown. No wonder that Emmitt Till is still the go to victim.”

    Emmitt Till’s father was executed by the US Army for murder and rape. I have no doubt Emmitt Till was a chip off the old block.

    • Agree: Rosie, Mr. Rational
  3. @Earl Lemongrab
    Philando Castile-- a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him--seemed pretty sympathetic. So did the guy in Ohio who picked up up a pellet gun in a sporting goods store.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @donut, @Bubba, @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    There was also the black security guard at a club shot by cops. Given how little we’ve heard about that one, I assume the cop who shot him wasn’t white.

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Dave Pinsen

    "For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her."

    Not exactly. Rosa Parks was hand picked as a blank slate real nice little old black lady and coached by her black civil rights agitator and carpet bagging Jewish handlers to deliver the desired result.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Parks was chosen to be the test case. Her arrest was planned and was all a put-up job. Even the guy she yielded her seat to was in on it. The story we were all sold about the Rosa Parks incident was a manufactured fable.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @ben tillman
    @Dave Pinsen


    Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.
     
    Rosa Parks wasn't a woman who defied the rules; she was part of a team that defied the rules. It was a stunt, and she was an actress.
    , @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen


    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.
     
    Social media is what makes the Rosa Parks method impractical. On social media you have two weeks during which you can harness an enormous amount of outrage, and then it dissipates. There is simply no time to wait and see how much of a poster boy the victim is and how justified the shooting was.

    The activists understand this. Who doesn't understand it are corporations. Starbucks only had to stand tight for two weeks and it would have disappeared. Corporations should never act within the first two weeks, other than to announce an investigation. Don't fire anyone. Don't change any policies. At the end of the two-week tunnel the world will look so much rosier.

    By the way, there is a funny article now on one of the higher ed sites (Inside ... or Chronicles of) about the "problem" that activists on campus (including professors and adminstrators) have with dissipating participation in protests because of finals, breaks, and so on. I thought that if you were trying to prevent protests, you should fill the schedule with more such stuff. Glass half full or half empty?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Dave Pinsen

    The first person arrested for failing to give up her seat was Claudette Colvin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Colvin

    Unfortunately, she was a pregnant 15 year old. Not the ideal image for the movement at the time.

  4. Both Mark Kleiman and the late William Stuntz fit the mold of what you’re asking for: anti-incarceration intellectuals who recognize the disaster that was the lax enforcement behind the Great Sixties Freakout.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @TGGP

    I was going to mention Mark Kleiman myself. In the late 19870s, Kleiman, Zedlewski, and several others were pointing out that liberal reductions in imprisonment had helped fuel a dramatic increase in crime rates and that an increased incapacitation of criminals via incarceration would be a dramatically cost effective method of reducing crime.

    Later, about a decade and a half ago, Kleiman was was traveling the country giving academic presentations on how carefully targeted enforcement and incarceration could both remove the really bad actors from the street and yet reduce overall imprisonment rates and criminal justice expenses. In this case, unfortunately, his timing was bad and his proselytizing does not seem to have had much effect.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  5. A few years ago I had a black coworker who was a bit of a radical. I said to him: “If the police all over the US are operating death squads to eliminate innocent blacks, why don’t you guys pick a decent example of a blameless person randomly executed by police in an act of racial terrorism, instead of making a scene about some felon from a family of felons who is shot by the police. The felon may well have been hard done by, but he just does not make a good showcase for political purposes.”

    He said he would get back to me, but he left the job soon after.

  6. Anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    Why would you ascribe much influence to Obama when blacks had been broadly sympathetic to Rodney King despite the undisputed facts that he drove under the influence at 104 mph, didn’t suffer anything worse than a cracked rib, and his two black friends were untouched after proning out as ordered?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anon

    Assume Obama had zero influence. What is the President of the Unted States doing directly encouraging rioters in Ferguson and saying that a violent drug dealer could be his son? Of course he had influence. Antifa riots happen in places like Portland, Charlottesville, and Berkeley, where the criminals receive largely the same openly telegraphed permission from the sympathetic office holders. It's the same damn pattern over and over and it would take a day of basic police work and, from office-holders, basic professionalism, to completely kill it, just like proper border enforcement would obviate many other problems.

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Anon


    his two black friends were untouched after proning out as ordered
     
    Wow, I never even knew he had two friends with him. Nor did I know he'd been driving 104mph. I just though it was Evil Racist Cops beating up Poor Defenseless Innocent Negro as usual.

    55 people slaughtered as a result--how many of them can any of us name??

    Replies: @Dtbb

  7. Dear anonymous iSteve commenter:
    The answer is aways more paranoia. BLM wasn’t about blacks. BLM was about destroying the credibility of police critics.
    Professional activism should be banned because it is now beyond clear that it gums up the works and exacerbates the problems it claims to address.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @J.Ross

    Obviously, our tax code structure incentivizes SJW behavior and ensures they have plenty of walking-around money. More broadly the size of the federal and state governments guarantees revenue streams that will be exploited for activism first, cause TBD.

    Since this gores everyone's ox esp. once welfare/food stamps and nonprofit churches and universities are considered, nothing will ever change until the whale suddenly dies.

  8. the Establishment, such as the President, telling blacks that their unfortunate outcomes are the result of White Evil.

    They don’t need to be told by the Establishment, they’re told from birth by their mothers, grandmothers, and all the adult men who pimp walk through their mothers’ lives. They’re told by their teachers in their ghetto schools. If the Establishment says that their pathologies are their own making, they just get angry at the lying Establishment. That Obama told them what they’ve always known to be true likely had no effect on them either way. One can imagine conversation along the lines of, “dat Obama, he jus tryna ack like he ain’t no Uncle Tom.” If anything, it might increase their trust of the Democratic Party and FedGov, but that would have been offset by AG Holder’s finding in Ferguson.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Stan d Mute

    Absimilation.

  9. “Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.”

    Obama, the boob that he was and is, probably only sped up a phenomenon that was inevitable anyway. If given the opportunity, Kamala Harris (Obama’s fellow non descendant of US slaves) will most certainly accelerate the racialism.

    The preexisting tragedy was the outlawing of free association among whites, which began 50 years earlier. There have been endless racial tragedies within the US ever since, mostly against whites.

    “We all have an interest in cops getting better trained to make better decisions, including cops.”

    I hear this all the time from all points on the spectrum. But what does it mean, exactly? What specific “training” should be implemented? Because lists of training regimens never seems to follow these calls for more training. I am genuinely curious. It seems to me the only thing that is going to give police more training, is more real experience in the field. So then what; that means always having a 20 year veteran PO partnered with a rookie over a certain period of years? Good luck with the unions on that one.

    Policing involves trust to some degree, right? Therefor I would also suggest assigning people officers to districts/neighborhoods by race. Black cops in black neighborhoods, white cops in white neighborhoods, and so on. But police unions, city politicians, and every screeching social justice harpie would lose their minds. Here in Chicago, black and mestizo females do not want to patrol in Englwood and Garfield Heights, they want to patrol in River North and Wrigleyville, because that’s where the good eatin’ is, and they can just tsk tsk liberal whites if and when they feel like writing up a traffic citation.

    But that raises yet another issue, as we saw with the St. Paul Somali, that no amount of training is going to address the fact that law enforcement organizations are filling their ranks with grossly unqualified individuals, because equality. Metro police forces are turning into welfare with a badge.

    But the main issue, as it always comes back to is, is that in a homogeneous country none of these issues would be anywhere near the problem they are today.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.
     
    Not only a tragedy--for the innocent lives lost and the general decline in US race relations--but it was essentially the opposite of what most of Obama's "good white" supporters had hoped for.

    The main piece of the good-white Obama swooning was clearly signaling their virtue (and sticking it to bad whites). But clearly a bunch of good whites thought--roughly--"hey we'll elect this (clean, educated) black guy and blacks will both feel included and can take him as an example of how to behave--including an example of the doors that are open if they behave.

    Obama could have actually done a useful public service if he'd addressed a message to young black men, to essentially comply with cops. 99% of shootings of blacks by the cops are simply because the blacks in question are just acting like douche bags and won't comply with simple order like "put down the gun", "drop the knife", "get your ass on the ground", "don't move", "keep your hands on the car", etc. etc.

    Obama, could lather up his message with all sorts of leftist b.s., but at the behavioral level, push "comply with the cops".

    Roughly:
    -- there is racism, but there are right and wrong ways to stand up to it
    -- confrontations with the cops do none of us any good
    -- the police have a different job than the rest of us; we send them out to poke around toward when someone reports trouble and resolve it; the cops can't "stand down" like ordinary guys, it's their job to "win", so if you don't comply with their orders, bad stuff is going to happen--to you
    -- the police will screw up, misunderstand, get it wrong sometimes; they are human just like the rest of us;
    -- but you gain nothing--even if in the right--by trying to "win" against the cops on the street; comply with the cops on the street, and even if arrested, you'll be alive and have your chance to tell your side of the story in court
    -- we all know there's racism, and we want you to fight it, fight for change and a fair society for all; but brother you can only fight the good fight if you're alive;

    Done well, that could actually have done some good. But of course, that would have required Obama to not be full of excuse making bullshit.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @AnotherDad
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.
     
    Not only a tragedy--for the innocent lives lost and the general decline in US race relations--but it was essentially the opposite of what most of Obama's "good white" supporters had hoped for.

    The main piece of the good-white Obama swooning was clearly signaling their virtue (and sticking it to bad whites). But clearly a bunch of good whites thought--roughly--"hey we'll elect this (clean, educated) black guy and blacks will both feel included and can take him as an example of how to behave--including an example of the doors that are open if they behave.

    Obama could have actually done a useful public service if he'd addressed a message to young black men, to essentially comply with cops. 99% of shootings of blacks by the cops are simply because the blacks in question are just acting like douche bags and won't comply with simple order like "put down the gun", "drop the knife", "get your ass on the ground", "don't move", "keep your hands on the car", etc. etc.

    Obama, could lather up his message with all sorts of leftist b.s., but at the behavioral level, push "comply with the cops".

    Roughly:
    -- there is racism, but there are right and wrong ways to stand up to it
    -- confrontations with the cops do none of us any good
    -- the police have a different job than the rest of us; we send them out to poke around toward when someone reports trouble and resolve it; the cops can't "stand down" like ordinary guys, it's their job to "win", so if you don't comply with their orders, bad stuff is going to happen--to you
    -- the police will screw up, misunderstand, get it wrong sometimes; they are human just like the rest of us;
    -- but you gain nothing--even if in the right--by trying to "win" against the cops on the street; comply with the cops on the street, and even if arrested, you'll be alive and have your chance to tell your side of the story in court
    -- we all know there's racism, and we want you to fight it, fight for change and a fair society for all; but brother you can only fight the good fight if you're alive;

    Done well, that could actually have done some good. But of course, that would have required Obama to not be full of excuse making bullshit.
  10. @Anon
    Why would you ascribe much influence to Obama when blacks had been broadly sympathetic to Rodney King despite the undisputed facts that he drove under the influence at 104 mph, didn't suffer anything worse than a cracked rib, and his two black friends were untouched after proning out as ordered?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr McKenna

    Assume Obama had zero influence. What is the President of the Unted States doing directly encouraging rioters in Ferguson and saying that a violent drug dealer could be his son? Of course he had influence. Antifa riots happen in places like Portland, Charlottesville, and Berkeley, where the criminals receive largely the same openly telegraphed permission from the sympathetic office holders. It’s the same damn pattern over and over and it would take a day of basic police work and, from office-holders, basic professionalism, to completely kill it, just like proper border enforcement would obviate many other problems.

    • Agree: Travis
  11. Philando Castile was shot by a mestizo cop (Jeronimo Yanez) after he obstinately kept reaching for his midsection while the cop frantically screamed at him to stop. Castile was probably too stoned to save his own life. “Sympathetic” isn’t even the most important box that needs to be checked to become a good poster boy. “Shot by a racist white cop” is the key.

    • Replies: @George
    @JimDandy

    "Castile was probably too stoned to save his own life."

    THC Positive Autopsy Used to Justify Fatal Police Shooting
    https://cannabisnow.com/thc-positive-autopsy-used-justify-fatal-police-shooting/

    Castile was not pulled over for unsafe driving and complied immediately by pulling over. "The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just because of the wide-set nose. I couldn't get a good look at the passenger." Yanez who did not seem to notice a child was also in the vehicle. If I remember the video Castile was communicating normally, Yanez was the problem.

    Also worth noting is that Yanez's partner was at the side of the vehicle and did not shoot, probably because he could not figure out who had the gun (answer nobody).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile#Background

    My personal opinion is Yanez is not guilty or even responsible for the incident, the poor hiring decision made by the police was. Judge internet troll's verdict: Yanez not guilty and not liable.

  12. I was redpilled by the shocking absence of promising young blacks killed by cops. The best they could come up with were Trayvon and Michael Brown. No wonder that Emmitt Till is still the go to victim.

    He was less promising than any recent victim. Or “victim”.

  13. @Earl Lemongrab
    Philando Castile-- a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him--seemed pretty sympathetic. So did the guy in Ohio who picked up up a pellet gun in a sporting goods store.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @donut, @Bubba, @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    Injustice is endemic to any society in any age . The abuse of the coercive powers of the state is probably better restrained in our time than in any other time in history since Hunter-Gatherers . That of course is all over . Having proven ourselves unworthy of freedom we have surrendered it .

  14. If you don’t have to live by the areas damaged by Obama’s rhetoric, you can feel good about what he said.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  15. For the love of God Steve, write a story where Black America is seeing a Cognitive Behavioral Therapist for its troubles in the world. Beyond identification with the victim role, you have the following as components of the progressive narrative blacks have embraced.

    All-or-Nothing Thinking / Polarized Thinking.
    Overgeneralization.
    Mental Filter.
    Disqualifying the Positive.
    Jumping to Conclusions – Mind Reading.
    Jumping to Conclusions – Fortune Telling.
    Magnification (Catastrophizing) or Minimization.
    Emotional Reasoning.

    • Replies: @res
    @Kurlos

    That reads like an excerpt from https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897
    And is very much on target.

  16. @Earl Lemongrab
    Philando Castile-- a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him--seemed pretty sympathetic. So did the guy in Ohio who picked up up a pellet gun in a sporting goods store.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @donut, @Bubba, @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    Philando Castile was killed by a police officer named Jeronimo Yanez, not by a white guy. Hence, Obama and his sycophants could not exploit it to further the radicalization of the criminal justice system.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Bubba

    It was Obama's speech about Philando Castile and some other guy that was immediately followed by the Dallas massacre.

    Replies: @Bubba

  17. Walter Scott was clearly a bad shoot, even if the man himself wasn’t a particularly upstanding citizen.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @Clive Beaconsfield

    No one's denying that there aren't illegitimate uses of force by the nation's constabulary. Happens all the time. We're arguing about the Narrative which runs roughly contrary to the Facts.

    Every one of us can recite local stories about white guys getting killed by cops when they've done nothing wrong at all. These stories always remain local.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  18. I’m not sure how much effect GPS monitoring has. Years ago I was working for one of the chip makers who had developed some of the first low power, low cost, high sensitivity GPS systems that could provide reliable and accurate positions under challenging conditions. They would work indoors, or even in a car down below the windows, and on someone’s ankle.
    One of our customers discussed the results for an ankle monitor system they sold to a Florida county corrections department. In one case a parole officer showed them a recorded trace of a paroled child molester who had the ankle bracelet. The trace showed that the convict was spending some of his time basically doing a driving tour of the city’s schools, parking outside the schoolyards. Apparently his thinking was that this stuff couldn’t work or someone in the joint told him it wouldn’t work if you wrapped it in aluminum foil or something. The problem the parole officer ran into was that no one wanted to look at the results. Parole departments and their employees get rewarded for lowering recidivism, so catching parolees screwing up and sending them right back made everyone in the justice system look bad.

  19. @Kurlos
    For the love of God Steve, write a story where Black America is seeing a Cognitive Behavioral Therapist for its troubles in the world. Beyond identification with the victim role, you have the following as components of the progressive narrative blacks have embraced.

    All-or-Nothing Thinking / Polarized Thinking.
    Overgeneralization.
    Mental Filter.
    Disqualifying the Positive.
    Jumping to Conclusions – Mind Reading.
    Jumping to Conclusions – Fortune Telling.
    Magnification (Catastrophizing) or Minimization.
    Emotional Reasoning.

    Replies: @res

    That reads like an excerpt from https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897
    And is very much on target.

  20. Steve,

    I suggest you check out the Cop in The Hood blog. It is written by Peter Moskos a former Baltimore cop and currently a sociologist. He’s also the son of Charles Moskos the military sociologist and the “don’t ask, don’t tell” guy.

    Anyway he shares your concern over reducing police shootings, while at the same time acknowledging the significant difference in racial crime rates. His latest blog post deals with different rates of cop shootings between states and he found that the greater the percentage of blacks in a state, the less likely cops are to shoot and kill people.

    There is also huge variation between states. The national annual average (2015-2018) is 0.31 (rate per 100,000). And yet New Mexico is 0.98 and New York is 0.09.

    Possible reasons why:

    -whites don’t care less about who the cops, white or black, so there less pressure on police departments to reform. White states have more cop shootings.

    -when you have have more blacks there is an “Al Sharpton effect” where you have black activist groups applying pressure on departments to improve training and tactics.

    -Western states seem to have more cop shootings. This may be a result of more guns than places such as NYC and there is less of gun culture among New York cops. Many NYPD recruits are less likely to have even touched a gun before joining.

    Another good quote from Moskos’ blog:

    “Louisiana cops are getting shot at and killed three-times more often than cops in Oklahoma (and 8 times more often than cops in New Jersey). Both Oklahoma and Louisiana cops shoot a lot of people. But in Louisiana, dare I say, they have good reason to.”

    Check it out lots of stats and graphs.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @eded

    Albuquerque had a lot of police shootings of crazy and drunk people who were out of control. It didn't get much publicity because blacks weren't involved. It seems like the kind of thing that can be trained to do better upon.

    Here's a federal program that would be popular with cops: send local cops and their wives to NYC for a week of working with the NYPD to see how a really rich department with, pre-DeBlasio, 20 years of pro cop mayors has a low crime rate and low rate of police shootings. Throw in a couple of Broadway shows for the wives.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman

    , @J.Ross
    @eded

    >New Mexico is worse than New York.
    Prior to BLM the biggest cop misconduct story (and, unlike BLM, a legitimate one borne out by video and resulting in non-astroturf real community activism) was the out of control Albuquerque police department.
    Whatever happens with BLM, we still have the problem of "Raytheon cops" who are part of a long term globalization plan to centralize all policing and eliminate all local accountability. This is done by federal funding (we'll give you money and army surplus if you adopt our guidelines), training (Israel is very important here; the doctrine of using your own safety as a hysterical excuse to completely negate the safety of others is proprietarily Israeli and is actively propagated through US departments), individuals, the gradual takeover of departments, and top-down through corrupted city councils. It was a major theme of the InfoWars and related crowds for years.
    And then this BLM thing showed up, owned the terms, and muddied the waters.

    , @anon
    @eded

    This is an electronic device to tag a fleeing vehicle and track it electronically. I dunno if this is the currently effective, but I like the concept.

    https://www.starchase.com/#panel2-1

    As a general rule, outside of an active shooter, cops should apprehend suspects in situations they choose.

    , @J.Ross
    @eded

    This is a very good blog, even the comments (when it has them) are good.

  21. Under Obama, Blacks gained the defacto constitutional right to run from cops.

    In older movies, cops used to say, “stop or I’ll shoot.”

    So you can’t say he didn’t accomplish anything.

    • Replies: @Mr McKenna
    @anon

    If you watch really old movies, the cops are shooting anything that moves.

    It's kinda funny.

    Replies: @David In TN

  22. @Dave Pinsen
    @Earl Lemongrab

    There was also the black security guard at a club shot by cops. Given how little we’ve heard about that one, I assume the cop who shot him wasn’t white.

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules - she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    “For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.”

    Not exactly. Rosa Parks was hand picked as a blank slate real nice little old black lady and coached by her black civil rights agitator and carpet bagging Jewish handlers to deliver the desired result.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I was told by someone in a position to know that Rosa Parks was a member of the local Communist party. The party who told me was herself a member of the Texas Communist party. She is presently domiciled in Belize.

    , @anon
    @Jim Bob Lassiter

    She was 42. Not exactly geriatric. But yes, it was planned.

  23. @Dave Pinsen
    @Earl Lemongrab

    There was also the black security guard at a club shot by cops. Given how little we’ve heard about that one, I assume the cop who shot him wasn’t white.

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules - she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Parks was chosen to be the test case. Her arrest was planned and was all a put-up job. Even the guy she yielded her seat to was in on it. The story we were all sold about the Rosa Parks incident was a manufactured fable.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    But these kind of planned incidents aren't a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Mr. Anon, @Lurker

  24. @TGGP
    Both Mark Kleiman and the late William Stuntz fit the mold of what you're asking for: anti-incarceration intellectuals who recognize the disaster that was the lax enforcement behind the Great Sixties Freakout.

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    I was going to mention Mark Kleiman myself. In the late 19870s, Kleiman, Zedlewski, and several others were pointing out that liberal reductions in imprisonment had helped fuel a dramatic increase in crime rates and that an increased incapacitation of criminals via incarceration would be a dramatically cost effective method of reducing crime.

    Later, about a decade and a half ago, Kleiman was was traveling the country giving academic presentations on how carefully targeted enforcement and incarceration could both remove the really bad actors from the street and yet reduce overall imprisonment rates and criminal justice expenses. In this case, unfortunately, his timing was bad and his proselytizing does not seem to have had much effect.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Thanks, I was looking for the name Mark Kleiman: a liberal who has some reasonable ideas on police & prison reform that are intended to not turn the cities into post-apocalyptic wastelands like last time. But he gets so little publicity I lost track of him.

  25. @eded
    Steve,

    I suggest you check out the Cop in The Hood blog. It is written by Peter Moskos a former Baltimore cop and currently a sociologist. He's also the son of Charles Moskos the military sociologist and the "don't ask, don't tell" guy.

    Anyway he shares your concern over reducing police shootings, while at the same time acknowledging the significant difference in racial crime rates. His latest blog post deals with different rates of cop shootings between states and he found that the greater the percentage of blacks in a state, the less likely cops are to shoot and kill people.

    There is also huge variation between states. The national annual average (2015-2018) is 0.31 (rate per 100,000). And yet New Mexico is 0.98 and New York is 0.09.



    Possible reasons why:

    -whites don't care less about who the cops, white or black, so there less pressure on police departments to reform. White states have more cop shootings.

    -when you have have more blacks there is an "Al Sharpton effect" where you have black activist groups applying pressure on departments to improve training and tactics.

    -Western states seem to have more cop shootings. This may be a result of more guns than places such as NYC and there is less of gun culture among New York cops. Many NYPD recruits are less likely to have even touched a gun before joining.

    Another good quote from Moskos' blog:

    "Louisiana cops are getting shot at and killed three-times more often than cops in Oklahoma (and 8 times more often than cops in New Jersey). Both Oklahoma and Louisiana cops shoot a lot of people. But in Louisiana, dare I say, they have good reason to."

    Check it out lots of stats and graphs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @anon, @J.Ross

    Albuquerque had a lot of police shootings of crazy and drunk people who were out of control. It didn’t get much publicity because blacks weren’t involved. It seems like the kind of thing that can be trained to do better upon.

    Here’s a federal program that would be popular with cops: send local cops and their wives to NYC for a week of working with the NYPD to see how a really rich department with, pre-DeBlasio, 20 years of pro cop mayors has a low crime rate and low rate of police shootings. Throw in a couple of Broadway shows for the wives.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    A lot of cops seem to not be very smart and/or psychopathic. Not hiring them to be cops would help too.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @ben tillman
    @Steve Sailer

    Lots of the worst cases of unjustified police shootings seem to happen in Seattle and Portland, and a few of the victims are black but most aren't.

  26. @Dave Pinsen
    @Earl Lemongrab

    There was also the black security guard at a club shot by cops. Given how little we’ve heard about that one, I assume the cop who shot him wasn’t white.

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules - she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Rosa Parks wasn’t a woman who defied the rules; she was part of a team that defied the rules. It was a stunt, and she was an actress.

  27. It seems to me a simple course of action that would probably result in fewer police shootings would be to go back to putting two officers in a patrol car. Cops would feel safer if they had another officer backing them up and might not have such an itchy trigger finger. Assuming, that is, you don’t have cops like that Somali guy in Minnesota.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    That would seem like something that could be statistically studied pretty easily.

    Cops have done a good job of getting themselves less shot during traffic stops since a peak around maybe 1970. E.g., now they always radio in the license plate before confronting the motorist.

  28. @Steve Sailer
    @eded

    Albuquerque had a lot of police shootings of crazy and drunk people who were out of control. It didn't get much publicity because blacks weren't involved. It seems like the kind of thing that can be trained to do better upon.

    Here's a federal program that would be popular with cops: send local cops and their wives to NYC for a week of working with the NYPD to see how a really rich department with, pre-DeBlasio, 20 years of pro cop mayors has a low crime rate and low rate of police shootings. Throw in a couple of Broadway shows for the wives.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman

    A lot of cops seem to not be very smart and/or psychopathic. Not hiring them to be cops would help too.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Mr. Anon

    Oh, every department is already on that page, but (again thanks to Democrats, saboteur judges, and subversive activists), beggars can't be choosers.

  29. @Steve Sailer
    @eded

    Albuquerque had a lot of police shootings of crazy and drunk people who were out of control. It didn't get much publicity because blacks weren't involved. It seems like the kind of thing that can be trained to do better upon.

    Here's a federal program that would be popular with cops: send local cops and their wives to NYC for a week of working with the NYPD to see how a really rich department with, pre-DeBlasio, 20 years of pro cop mayors has a low crime rate and low rate of police shootings. Throw in a couple of Broadway shows for the wives.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman

    Lots of the worst cases of unjustified police shootings seem to happen in Seattle and Portland, and a few of the victims are black but most aren’t.

  30. @Bubba
    @Earl Lemongrab

    Philando Castile was killed by a police officer named Jeronimo Yanez, not by a white guy. Hence, Obama and his sycophants could not exploit it to further the radicalization of the criminal justice system.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    It was Obama’s speech about Philando Castile and some other guy that was immediately followed by the Dallas massacre.

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Steve Sailer

    Thank you Steve! I missed that one.

  31. @Mr. Anon
    @Dave Pinsen

    Parks was chosen to be the test case. Her arrest was planned and was all a put-up job. Even the guy she yielded her seat to was in on it. The story we were all sold about the Rosa Parks incident was a manufactured fable.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    But these kind of planned incidents aren’t a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Steve Sailer

    Silly, silly Steve. It was always about Get Whitey. That and nothing more. Gun control, BLM? All Get Whitey. Heck the managerial class loves it. Black crime is the shock force to beat down Whitey permanently. Given that they are honorary non Whites no worries.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    But these kind of planned incidents aren’t a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.
     
    No, it isn't. And there is nothing intrinsically wrong with doing that. But it wasn't sold to us as that (when I learned about it in school, for example). It was actually presented to us as a genuine, spontaneous event; not a planned PR campaign. The Scopes trial was the same sort of deal. Why always the deception?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ben tillman, @J.Ross

    , @Lurker
    @Steve Sailer

    Well it rather depends on what sort of outcome Obama was hoping for. My cynical guess is that he got exactly the outcome he wanted.

  32. anon[175] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve: You ran across a rarity: a truly sympathetic white victim of a police shooting. If you look through the data, white victims are seldom all that sympathetic. Informally read through a sample of 50 or so and you might not find a single one.

    There are a number of third parties that get hit during car chases. And you have your mentally ill and suicide by cop. Car chases are generally discouraged for liability reasons.

    One thing that did stand out is just how dangerous it is to introduce cars into a police encounter. Cops can never be sure suspects are unarmed. The further west you get, the more frequently a car is involved.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @anon

    The other police killing in my neighborhood was a classic suicide by cop: a white guy sat down on the sidewalk and started firing into the air and into the ground until the LAPD shot him. It would be interesting to read in depth articles about whether anything else could be done in those situations, but it doesn't seem to interest many people these days, in contrast to the hunt for the Great White Racist Cops.

    , @William Badwhite
    @anon

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

  33. @eded
    Steve,

    I suggest you check out the Cop in The Hood blog. It is written by Peter Moskos a former Baltimore cop and currently a sociologist. He's also the son of Charles Moskos the military sociologist and the "don't ask, don't tell" guy.

    Anyway he shares your concern over reducing police shootings, while at the same time acknowledging the significant difference in racial crime rates. His latest blog post deals with different rates of cop shootings between states and he found that the greater the percentage of blacks in a state, the less likely cops are to shoot and kill people.

    There is also huge variation between states. The national annual average (2015-2018) is 0.31 (rate per 100,000). And yet New Mexico is 0.98 and New York is 0.09.



    Possible reasons why:

    -whites don't care less about who the cops, white or black, so there less pressure on police departments to reform. White states have more cop shootings.

    -when you have have more blacks there is an "Al Sharpton effect" where you have black activist groups applying pressure on departments to improve training and tactics.

    -Western states seem to have more cop shootings. This may be a result of more guns than places such as NYC and there is less of gun culture among New York cops. Many NYPD recruits are less likely to have even touched a gun before joining.

    Another good quote from Moskos' blog:

    "Louisiana cops are getting shot at and killed three-times more often than cops in Oklahoma (and 8 times more often than cops in New Jersey). Both Oklahoma and Louisiana cops shoot a lot of people. But in Louisiana, dare I say, they have good reason to."

    Check it out lots of stats and graphs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @anon, @J.Ross

    >New Mexico is worse than New York.
    Prior to BLM the biggest cop misconduct story (and, unlike BLM, a legitimate one borne out by video and resulting in non-astroturf real community activism) was the out of control Albuquerque police department.
    Whatever happens with BLM, we still have the problem of “Raytheon cops” who are part of a long term globalization plan to centralize all policing and eliminate all local accountability. This is done by federal funding (we’ll give you money and army surplus if you adopt our guidelines), training (Israel is very important here; the doctrine of using your own safety as a hysterical excuse to completely negate the safety of others is proprietarily Israeli and is actively propagated through US departments), individuals, the gradual takeover of departments, and top-down through corrupted city councils. It was a major theme of the InfoWars and related crowds for years.
    And then this BLM thing showed up, owned the terms, and muddied the waters.

  34. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    But these kind of planned incidents aren't a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Mr. Anon, @Lurker

    Silly, silly Steve. It was always about Get Whitey. That and nothing more. Gun control, BLM? All Get Whitey. Heck the managerial class loves it. Black crime is the shock force to beat down Whitey permanently. Given that they are honorary non Whites no worries.

  35. Agreed, especially since many on the right had also become concerned about the over aggressiveness of the police, with their armored cars and full body/military uniforms for every day patrols. The saddest incident’s video has been posted here before – a white cop kills a white guy who is trying to follow the cop’s confusing orders while pathetically crawling on his belly in a hotel hallway. No one of any color can watch that without knowing something’s wrong.

    I seem to recall that police kill more whites than blacks as a percent of arrest rates. An opportunity was lost to actually look at this problem of trigger happy cops in a non-racial way. Thankfully most police work hard to deescalate situations, but it seems there are still too many shoot first law officers on the streets.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @RationalExpressions

    I wondered whether that "cop" was a reformed Iraq veteran.

    That kind of bullshit must have happened over there every single day for a decade. Worse with all the tax-funded "contractors" milling about.

    , @J.Ross
    @RationalExpressions

    An opportunity was lost to actually look at this problem of trigger happy cops in a non-racial way.

    It was "lost" in the same way and by the same folks as the NYT's opportunity to report on programmatic statvation in Stalin's Ukraine.

  36. @Anon
    Why would you ascribe much influence to Obama when blacks had been broadly sympathetic to Rodney King despite the undisputed facts that he drove under the influence at 104 mph, didn't suffer anything worse than a cracked rib, and his two black friends were untouched after proning out as ordered?

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Mr McKenna

    his two black friends were untouched after proning out as ordered

    Wow, I never even knew he had two friends with him. Nor did I know he’d been driving 104mph. I just though it was Evil Racist Cops beating up Poor Defenseless Innocent Negro as usual.

    55 people slaughtered as a result–how many of them can any of us name??

    • Replies: @Dtbb
    @Mr McKenna

    How many gallons of blood does the media have on its hands?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  37. @Clive Beaconsfield
    Walter Scott was clearly a bad shoot, even if the man himself wasn’t a particularly upstanding citizen.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    No one’s denying that there aren’t illegitimate uses of force by the nation’s constabulary. Happens all the time. We’re arguing about the Narrative which runs roughly contrary to the Facts.

    Every one of us can recite local stories about white guys getting killed by cops when they’ve done nothing wrong at all. These stories always remain local.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr McKenna

    "Every one of us can recite local stories about white guys getting killed by cops when they’ve done nothing wrong at all. These stories always remain local."

    Thirty years back I had a colleague whose brother was a bit of a 'lad' - one evening he was being chased by the police for some offence (probably drunken), he shinned over a wall in the dark and the first officer who followed him missed the narrow ledge, dropped 15 feet into an culvert and broke his leg. When the rest caught up with him they beat and kicked him, and he lost a testicle to their assault.

    I'm not sure it even made the papers.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  38. anon[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @eded
    Steve,

    I suggest you check out the Cop in The Hood blog. It is written by Peter Moskos a former Baltimore cop and currently a sociologist. He's also the son of Charles Moskos the military sociologist and the "don't ask, don't tell" guy.

    Anyway he shares your concern over reducing police shootings, while at the same time acknowledging the significant difference in racial crime rates. His latest blog post deals with different rates of cop shootings between states and he found that the greater the percentage of blacks in a state, the less likely cops are to shoot and kill people.

    There is also huge variation between states. The national annual average (2015-2018) is 0.31 (rate per 100,000). And yet New Mexico is 0.98 and New York is 0.09.



    Possible reasons why:

    -whites don't care less about who the cops, white or black, so there less pressure on police departments to reform. White states have more cop shootings.

    -when you have have more blacks there is an "Al Sharpton effect" where you have black activist groups applying pressure on departments to improve training and tactics.

    -Western states seem to have more cop shootings. This may be a result of more guns than places such as NYC and there is less of gun culture among New York cops. Many NYPD recruits are less likely to have even touched a gun before joining.

    Another good quote from Moskos' blog:

    "Louisiana cops are getting shot at and killed three-times more often than cops in Oklahoma (and 8 times more often than cops in New Jersey). Both Oklahoma and Louisiana cops shoot a lot of people. But in Louisiana, dare I say, they have good reason to."

    Check it out lots of stats and graphs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @anon, @J.Ross

    This is an electronic device to tag a fleeing vehicle and track it electronically. I dunno if this is the currently effective, but I like the concept.

    https://www.starchase.com/#panel2-1

    As a general rule, outside of an active shooter, cops should apprehend suspects in situations they choose.

  39. @anon
    Under Obama, Blacks gained the defacto constitutional right to run from cops.

    In older movies, cops used to say, "stop or I'll shoot."

    So you can't say he didn't accomplish anything.

    Replies: @Mr McKenna

    If you watch really old movies, the cops are shooting anything that moves.

    It’s kinda funny.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Mr McKenna

    Dirty Harry (1971) is not that old to me, but picture the early scene with the attempted bank robbery by black perps happening in real life.

    "Did I fire six shots or only five? Do you feel lucky punk?"

  40. Anon[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @Earl Lemongrab

    There was also the black security guard at a club shot by cops. Given how little we’ve heard about that one, I assume the cop who shot him wasn’t white.

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules - she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Social media is what makes the Rosa Parks method impractical. On social media you have two weeks during which you can harness an enormous amount of outrage, and then it dissipates. There is simply no time to wait and see how much of a poster boy the victim is and how justified the shooting was.

    The activists understand this. Who doesn’t understand it are corporations. Starbucks only had to stand tight for two weeks and it would have disappeared. Corporations should never act within the first two weeks, other than to announce an investigation. Don’t fire anyone. Don’t change any policies. At the end of the two-week tunnel the world will look so much rosier.

    By the way, there is a funny article now on one of the higher ed sites (Inside … or Chronicles of) about the “problem” that activists on campus (including professors and adminstrators) have with dissipating participation in protests because of finals, breaks, and so on. I thought that if you were trying to prevent protests, you should fill the schedule with more such stuff. Glass half full or half empty?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    Obama should have known not to take Black Twitter seriously.

    , @El Dato
    @Anon


    By the way, there is a funny article now on one of the higher ed sites (Inside … or Chronicles of) about the “problem” that activists on campus (including professors and adminstrators) have with dissipating participation in protests because of finals, breaks, and so on. I thought that if you were trying to prevent protests, you should fill the schedule with more such stuff. Glass half full or half empty?
     
    Jerry Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy applied to Higher Edukaschion.

    I suppose people who are actually on campus to do learning, teaching and research (i.e. the STEM section) are keeping themselves busy (even if they are "liberal" - and jewish - to a degree that shouldn't be possible; the blogosphere reveals a professoriat of aggressive goodthinking otherworldness that would alarm Health & Safety professionals).

    The rest are faker activists with not low mental prowess but with enough time on their hands after their "Studies in X" courses to actually do serious damage.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Anon

    Starbucks should have done what you said, but they didn’t do that bad: within days of their announcement about welcoming bums, the local stores near me had flyers on their bulletin boards essentially refuting the policy, and including contact info for local homeless shelters. And SBUX shares have smoked the S&P since.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  41. @anon
    Steve: You ran across a rarity: a truly sympathetic white victim of a police shooting. If you look through the data, white victims are seldom all that sympathetic. Informally read through a sample of 50 or so and you might not find a single one.

    There are a number of third parties that get hit during car chases. And you have your mentally ill and suicide by cop. Car chases are generally discouraged for liability reasons.

    One thing that did stand out is just how dangerous it is to introduce cars into a police encounter. Cops can never be sure suspects are unarmed. The further west you get, the more frequently a car is involved.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

    The other police killing in my neighborhood was a classic suicide by cop: a white guy sat down on the sidewalk and started firing into the air and into the ground until the LAPD shot him. It would be interesting to read in depth articles about whether anything else could be done in those situations, but it doesn’t seem to interest many people these days, in contrast to the hunt for the Great White Racist Cops.

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @Bubba

    It was Obama's speech about Philando Castile and some other guy that was immediately followed by the Dallas massacre.

    Replies: @Bubba

    Thank you Steve! I missed that one.

  43. I listened to a short part of Nancy Pelosi’s speech a couple of days ago after becoming the Speaker. The part where I tuned into was where she was crowing about the record number of Women in congress and how we were at the 100th anniversary of women getting the right to vote. Her whole speech might have been like that but what I heard she was just regurgitating the same trope that she has for her entire career.

    I used to not be too sensitive to the constant triumphal gloating followed by victim-whining-pissing and moaning that women and minorities engage in but hearing that again now post-Trump after the open derision, insults, and non-stop bellyaching I have to say it did not ring the same chord in me as it used to. I have a feeling that I am not alone and it will be interesting to see if the rest of white America and men start to lose their good will and tolerance towards people on the left.

  44. @Mr. Anon
    It seems to me a simple course of action that would probably result in fewer police shootings would be to go back to putting two officers in a patrol car. Cops would feel safer if they had another officer backing them up and might not have such an itchy trigger finger. Assuming, that is, you don't have cops like that Somali guy in Minnesota.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    That would seem like something that could be statistically studied pretty easily.

    Cops have done a good job of getting themselves less shot during traffic stops since a peak around maybe 1970. E.g., now they always radio in the license plate before confronting the motorist.

  45. Similarly, it could be reasonably argued that advances in technology, such as GPS monitors, and the decline in crime culture since the early 1990s crack era, would allow for a judicious shortening of prison sentences, which would save the taxpayer money.

    Read “Second City Cop”. Perps with leg monitors regularly shuck them.

    Jackie Foxx, the state’s attorney, doesn’t go after them for shucking their leg monitor and wandering the neighborhood. Even when they commit crimes.

    It’s as effective as putting them on parole and never assigning them a parole officer.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Big Bill

    That's Kimesha, aka "Crimesha" Foxx.

    Talk about people which a healthy bar society would disbar IMMEDIATELY!  She has no business holding either a law license or public office.  She should be in prison herself.

  46. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @TGGP

    I was going to mention Mark Kleiman myself. In the late 19870s, Kleiman, Zedlewski, and several others were pointing out that liberal reductions in imprisonment had helped fuel a dramatic increase in crime rates and that an increased incapacitation of criminals via incarceration would be a dramatically cost effective method of reducing crime.

    Later, about a decade and a half ago, Kleiman was was traveling the country giving academic presentations on how carefully targeted enforcement and incarceration could both remove the really bad actors from the street and yet reduce overall imprisonment rates and criminal justice expenses. In this case, unfortunately, his timing was bad and his proselytizing does not seem to have had much effect.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, I was looking for the name Mark Kleiman: a liberal who has some reasonable ideas on police & prison reform that are intended to not turn the cities into post-apocalyptic wastelands like last time. But he gets so little publicity I lost track of him.

  47. What gets me in Chicago is how the City of Chicago is quick settle with families of people killed by coppers, even before the cases have been dragged through court. And then the Alderman in City Council quickly vote for multi-million dollar settlements, because the voting cattle don’t care that it’s THEIR taxes that pay for these settlements.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Joe Stalin

    One problem is that a lot of the relevant voters don’t pay taxes.

  48. @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen


    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.
     
    Social media is what makes the Rosa Parks method impractical. On social media you have two weeks during which you can harness an enormous amount of outrage, and then it dissipates. There is simply no time to wait and see how much of a poster boy the victim is and how justified the shooting was.

    The activists understand this. Who doesn't understand it are corporations. Starbucks only had to stand tight for two weeks and it would have disappeared. Corporations should never act within the first two weeks, other than to announce an investigation. Don't fire anyone. Don't change any policies. At the end of the two-week tunnel the world will look so much rosier.

    By the way, there is a funny article now on one of the higher ed sites (Inside ... or Chronicles of) about the "problem" that activists on campus (including professors and adminstrators) have with dissipating participation in protests because of finals, breaks, and so on. I thought that if you were trying to prevent protests, you should fill the schedule with more such stuff. Glass half full or half empty?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen

    Obama should have known not to take Black Twitter seriously.

  49. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    The genuine bad shoots get little publicity. Sympathetic black victims of black on black violence do, but they do not emphasize that part and try to blame white malfeasance.

    The overwhelming majority of blacks shot and killed are shot by black criminals, not cops.
    The reaction of the “black coooomoonity” has been very unhelpful.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    The overwhelming majority of blacks shot and killed are shot by black criminals, not cops.

    As someone put it, maybe here, "0.7% of Black Lives Matter!"

  50. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Dave Pinsen

    "For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her."

    Not exactly. Rosa Parks was hand picked as a blank slate real nice little old black lady and coached by her black civil rights agitator and carpet bagging Jewish handlers to deliver the desired result.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @anon

    I was told by someone in a position to know that Rosa Parks was a member of the local Communist party. The party who told me was herself a member of the Texas Communist party. She is presently domiciled in Belize.

  51. Black Twitter

    I have had it with those superhero movies.

    • LOL: Jack Hanson
  52. @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen


    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.
     
    Social media is what makes the Rosa Parks method impractical. On social media you have two weeks during which you can harness an enormous amount of outrage, and then it dissipates. There is simply no time to wait and see how much of a poster boy the victim is and how justified the shooting was.

    The activists understand this. Who doesn't understand it are corporations. Starbucks only had to stand tight for two weeks and it would have disappeared. Corporations should never act within the first two weeks, other than to announce an investigation. Don't fire anyone. Don't change any policies. At the end of the two-week tunnel the world will look so much rosier.

    By the way, there is a funny article now on one of the higher ed sites (Inside ... or Chronicles of) about the "problem" that activists on campus (including professors and adminstrators) have with dissipating participation in protests because of finals, breaks, and so on. I thought that if you were trying to prevent protests, you should fill the schedule with more such stuff. Glass half full or half empty?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen

    By the way, there is a funny article now on one of the higher ed sites (Inside … or Chronicles of) about the “problem” that activists on campus (including professors and adminstrators) have with dissipating participation in protests because of finals, breaks, and so on. I thought that if you were trying to prevent protests, you should fill the schedule with more such stuff. Glass half full or half empty?

    Jerry Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy applied to Higher Edukaschion.

    I suppose people who are actually on campus to do learning, teaching and research (i.e. the STEM section) are keeping themselves busy (even if they are “liberal” – and jewish – to a degree that shouldn’t be possible; the blogosphere reveals a professoriat of aggressive goodthinking otherworldness that would alarm Health & Safety professionals).

    The rest are faker activists with not low mental prowess but with enough time on their hands after their “Studies in X” courses to actually do serious damage.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  53. @Mr McKenna
    @Anon


    his two black friends were untouched after proning out as ordered
     
    Wow, I never even knew he had two friends with him. Nor did I know he'd been driving 104mph. I just though it was Evil Racist Cops beating up Poor Defenseless Innocent Negro as usual.

    55 people slaughtered as a result--how many of them can any of us name??

    Replies: @Dtbb

    How many gallons of blood does the media have on its hands?

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Dtbb

    Too many, and they should be held personally liable at $millions per pint.  Including their pensions and other deferred compensation.

  54. Parents of Trayvon are still doing events with the in puberty photos of their son when he was about 14 instead of the mostly unpublished up to date photos of him as a full grown thug.

    Pure evil is an accurate description of the dishonest media coverage of the whole affair. They edited Zimmerman’s 911 call to make it sound racial. They endlessly published an out of date photo of Trayvon to make him much more sympathetic. Among other bs…..

    The last photos of Trayvon at the quickie mart clearly show a nasty thug far removed from the schoolboy photo they displayed on every media newsstory.

    PURE EVIL

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymity

    Trayvon was a punk who needed a good thorough ass whipping, but George Zimmerman was not remotely capable of dealing such a beatdown out. He shot Trayvon out of simple desire to save his own life and was not wrong for doing so under the circumstances. No one at the time had the courage to say that though.

    The media undermined their own credibility in the trayvon affair to the few who can actually think about such things, and they do that routinely. It will eventually catch up to them.

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymity

    They edited Zimmerman’s 911 call to make it sound racial.

    It's a disgrace that Zimmerman's suit on that matter was tossed out. It seemed entirely legitimate.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  55. @Big Bill

    Similarly, it could be reasonably argued that advances in technology, such as GPS monitors, and the decline in crime culture since the early 1990s crack era, would allow for a judicious shortening of prison sentences, which would save the taxpayer money.
     
    Read "Second City Cop". Perps with leg monitors regularly shuck them.

    Jackie Foxx, the state's attorney, doesn't go after them for shucking their leg monitor and wandering the neighborhood. Even when they commit crimes.

    It's as effective as putting them on parole and never assigning them a parole officer.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    That’s Kimesha, aka “Crimesha” Foxx.

    Talk about people which a healthy bar society would disbar IMMEDIATELY!  She has no business holding either a law license or public office.  She should be in prison herself.

  56. @RationalExpressions
    Agreed, especially since many on the right had also become concerned about the over aggressiveness of the police, with their armored cars and full body/military uniforms for every day patrols. The saddest incident’s video has been posted here before - a white cop kills a white guy who is trying to follow the cop’s confusing orders while pathetically crawling on his belly in a hotel hallway. No one of any color can watch that without knowing something’s wrong.

    I seem to recall that police kill more whites than blacks as a percent of arrest rates. An opportunity was lost to actually look at this problem of trigger happy cops in a non-racial way. Thankfully most police work hard to deescalate situations, but it seems there are still too many shoot first law officers on the streets.

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross

    I wondered whether that “cop” was a reformed Iraq veteran.

    That kind of bullshit must have happened over there every single day for a decade. Worse with all the tax-funded “contractors” milling about.

  57. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer

    A lot of cops seem to not be very smart and/or psychopathic. Not hiring them to be cops would help too.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Oh, every department is already on that page, but (again thanks to Democrats, saboteur judges, and subversive activists), beggars can’t be choosers.

  58. @eded
    Steve,

    I suggest you check out the Cop in The Hood blog. It is written by Peter Moskos a former Baltimore cop and currently a sociologist. He's also the son of Charles Moskos the military sociologist and the "don't ask, don't tell" guy.

    Anyway he shares your concern over reducing police shootings, while at the same time acknowledging the significant difference in racial crime rates. His latest blog post deals with different rates of cop shootings between states and he found that the greater the percentage of blacks in a state, the less likely cops are to shoot and kill people.

    There is also huge variation between states. The national annual average (2015-2018) is 0.31 (rate per 100,000). And yet New Mexico is 0.98 and New York is 0.09.



    Possible reasons why:

    -whites don't care less about who the cops, white or black, so there less pressure on police departments to reform. White states have more cop shootings.

    -when you have have more blacks there is an "Al Sharpton effect" where you have black activist groups applying pressure on departments to improve training and tactics.

    -Western states seem to have more cop shootings. This may be a result of more guns than places such as NYC and there is less of gun culture among New York cops. Many NYPD recruits are less likely to have even touched a gun before joining.

    Another good quote from Moskos' blog:

    "Louisiana cops are getting shot at and killed three-times more often than cops in Oklahoma (and 8 times more often than cops in New Jersey). Both Oklahoma and Louisiana cops shoot a lot of people. But in Louisiana, dare I say, they have good reason to."

    Check it out lots of stats and graphs.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @J.Ross, @anon, @J.Ross

    This is a very good blog, even the comments (when it has them) are good.

  59. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    @Dave Pinsen

    "For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her."

    Not exactly. Rosa Parks was hand picked as a blank slate real nice little old black lady and coached by her black civil rights agitator and carpet bagging Jewish handlers to deliver the desired result.

    Replies: @Anonymouse, @anon

    She was 42. Not exactly geriatric. But yes, it was planned.

  60. Anonymous [AKA "Dan the Man"] says:

    I was skeptical of the new kushner led criminal justice reform but a friend who’s a us attorney and hard core conservative / trumpster favors it. However he says what is needed is to make federal prison time more harsh and less like a country club stay but with shorter sentences to save taxpayers money while actually punishing offenders.

  61. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymity
    Parents of Trayvon are still doing events with the in puberty photos of their son when he was about 14 instead of the mostly unpublished up to date photos of him as a full grown thug.

    Pure evil is an accurate description of the dishonest media coverage of the whole affair. They edited Zimmerman's 911 call to make it sound racial. They endlessly published an out of date photo of Trayvon to make him much more sympathetic. Among other bs.....

    The last photos of Trayvon at the quickie mart clearly show a nasty thug far removed from the schoolboy photo they displayed on every media newsstory.

    PURE EVIL

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    Trayvon was a punk who needed a good thorough ass whipping, but George Zimmerman was not remotely capable of dealing such a beatdown out. He shot Trayvon out of simple desire to save his own life and was not wrong for doing so under the circumstances. No one at the time had the courage to say that though.

    The media undermined their own credibility in the trayvon affair to the few who can actually think about such things, and they do that routinely. It will eventually catch up to them.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  62. @Dtbb
    @Mr McKenna

    How many gallons of blood does the media have on its hands?

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Too many, and they should be held personally liable at $millions per pint.  Including their pensions and other deferred compensation.

  63. @RationalExpressions
    Agreed, especially since many on the right had also become concerned about the over aggressiveness of the police, with their armored cars and full body/military uniforms for every day patrols. The saddest incident’s video has been posted here before - a white cop kills a white guy who is trying to follow the cop’s confusing orders while pathetically crawling on his belly in a hotel hallway. No one of any color can watch that without knowing something’s wrong.

    I seem to recall that police kill more whites than blacks as a percent of arrest rates. An opportunity was lost to actually look at this problem of trigger happy cops in a non-racial way. Thankfully most police work hard to deescalate situations, but it seems there are still too many shoot first law officers on the streets.

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross

    An opportunity was lost to actually look at this problem of trigger happy cops in a non-racial way.

    It was “lost” in the same way and by the same folks as the NYT’s opportunity to report on programmatic statvation in Stalin’s Ukraine.

  64. @Anon
    @Dave Pinsen


    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules – she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.
     
    Social media is what makes the Rosa Parks method impractical. On social media you have two weeks during which you can harness an enormous amount of outrage, and then it dissipates. There is simply no time to wait and see how much of a poster boy the victim is and how justified the shooting was.

    The activists understand this. Who doesn't understand it are corporations. Starbucks only had to stand tight for two weeks and it would have disappeared. Corporations should never act within the first two weeks, other than to announce an investigation. Don't fire anyone. Don't change any policies. At the end of the two-week tunnel the world will look so much rosier.

    By the way, there is a funny article now on one of the higher ed sites (Inside ... or Chronicles of) about the "problem" that activists on campus (including professors and adminstrators) have with dissipating participation in protests because of finals, breaks, and so on. I thought that if you were trying to prevent protests, you should fill the schedule with more such stuff. Glass half full or half empty?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Dave Pinsen

    Starbucks should have done what you said, but they didn’t do that bad: within days of their announcement about welcoming bums, the local stores near me had flyers on their bulletin boards essentially refuting the policy, and including contact info for local homeless shelters. And SBUX shares have smoked the S&P since.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Dave Pinsen


    Starbucks should have done what you said, but they didn’t do that bad: within days of their announcement about welcoming bums, the local stores near me had flyers on their bulletin boards essentially refuting the policy, and including contact info for local homeless shelters.
     
    It's funny that in Dallas, in the nicest part of town, the Starbucks on the Southeast edge of the SMU campus already had a policy (presumably informal) of letting the homeless use the restroom. One worker told me about how he had to clean up a homeless guy's mess in the restroom, but he didn't seem to mind. He just felt sorry for the guy. He might have felt otherwise if he'd had to deal with a large homeless population in the area.
  65. @Anonymous
    The genuine bad shoots get little publicity. Sympathetic black victims of black on black violence do, but they do not emphasize that part and try to blame white malfeasance.

    The overwhelming majority of blacks shot and killed are shot by black criminals, not cops.
    The reaction of the "black coooomoonity" has been very unhelpful.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    The overwhelming majority of blacks shot and killed are shot by black criminals, not cops.

    As someone put it, maybe here, “0.7% of Black Lives Matter!”

  66. @Anonymity
    Parents of Trayvon are still doing events with the in puberty photos of their son when he was about 14 instead of the mostly unpublished up to date photos of him as a full grown thug.

    Pure evil is an accurate description of the dishonest media coverage of the whole affair. They edited Zimmerman's 911 call to make it sound racial. They endlessly published an out of date photo of Trayvon to make him much more sympathetic. Among other bs.....

    The last photos of Trayvon at the quickie mart clearly show a nasty thug far removed from the schoolboy photo they displayed on every media newsstory.

    PURE EVIL

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    They edited Zimmerman’s 911 call to make it sound racial.

    It’s a disgrace that Zimmerman’s suit on that matter was tossed out. It seemed entirely legitimate.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Harry Baldwin

    Yeah, the court was wrong.

  67. I like the part about how blacks are race realists because they have to be. ( … by proximity …)

    Prison reform realists operated under the belief that prisoners were just the same as the nonincarcerated except for the imprisonment thing. As social strata changes, so do belief systems.

    The biggest mistake prison reformers have made is that they ignored the opportunity to instill behavior reform through enforced repetition. The dullards who populate our prisons would benefit from the training, as would the general population.

  68. @Dave Pinsen
    @Earl Lemongrab

    There was also the black security guard at a club shot by cops. Given how little we’ve heard about that one, I assume the cop who shot him wasn’t white.

    Civil Rights-era blacks were savvier about this sort of thing. For example, Rosa Parks wasn’t the first black woman to defy the bus segregation rules - she was the first sympathetic one, so they rolled with her.

    Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter, @Mr. Anon, @ben tillman, @Anon, @Hypnotoad666

    The first person arrested for failing to give up her seat was Claudette Colvin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Colvin

    Unfortunately, she was a pregnant 15 year old. Not the ideal image for the movement at the time.

  69. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    But these kind of planned incidents aren't a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Mr. Anon, @Lurker

    But these kind of planned incidents aren’t a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.

    No, it isn’t. And there is nothing intrinsically wrong with doing that. But it wasn’t sold to us as that (when I learned about it in school, for example). It was actually presented to us as a genuine, spontaneous event; not a planned PR campaign. The Scopes trial was the same sort of deal. Why always the deception?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Plessy vs. Ferguson was another set up in 1896: the trolley company wanted to not have to have segregated sections of their trolleys, so they picked Plessy, a white looking mulatto, as a good plaintiff.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @ben tillman
    @Mr. Anon


    Why always the deception?
     
    The Left has to lie. It's that simple. How many will give informed consent to a boot stamping on their human face forever?
    , @J.Ross
    @Mr. Anon

    >why always the deception?

    Because, per Bernays, the alternative would be you making up your own mind and having a degree of power.

  70. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    But these kind of planned incidents aren’t a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.
     
    No, it isn't. And there is nothing intrinsically wrong with doing that. But it wasn't sold to us as that (when I learned about it in school, for example). It was actually presented to us as a genuine, spontaneous event; not a planned PR campaign. The Scopes trial was the same sort of deal. Why always the deception?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ben tillman, @J.Ross

    Plessy vs. Ferguson was another set up in 1896: the trolley company wanted to not have to have segregated sections of their trolleys, so they picked Plessy, a white looking mulatto, as a good plaintiff.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Plessy vs. Ferguson was another set up in 1896: the trolley company wanted to not have to have segregated sections of their trolleys, so they picked Plessy, a white looking mulatto, as a good plaintiff.

     

    The Plessy majority was the same five guys that gave us Wong Kim Ark a year and a half later. Funny how the Supreme Court's worst-ever and best-ever decisions would come from the same clique. John Marshall Harlan, the only other justice to vote on both, dissented on both. He seemed to like Negroes more than Chinamen.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg's favorite tactic was to find a sympathetic male client to make some feminist point. Like the widower with a young son who was denied SSI widow's benefits.

    And the Heller case fell on the white security guard Dick Heller, rather than the more "sympathetic" black ladies originally involved, because he was the only one actually turned down for a permit, necessary to have "standing". The others hadn't bothered to apply, knowing they'd never get approved.


    to not have to have...
     
    Gee, you had a chance for a double split infinitive there. Eg, "to not have to always have". Larry Auster would roll in his grave.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @JMcG

  71. @Earl Lemongrab
    Philando Castile-- a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him--seemed pretty sympathetic. So did the guy in Ohio who picked up up a pellet gun in a sporting goods store.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @donut, @Bubba, @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    Philando Castile– a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him–seemed pretty sympathetic

    Yes, but he was licensed to carry, not licensed to carry while under the influence. Nobody is. Minnesota’s gun groups were ready to stand up for him, but that revelation made it impossible.

    It was the collision of two incompetents.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Plessy vs. Ferguson was another set up in 1896: the trolley company wanted to not have to have segregated sections of their trolleys, so they picked Plessy, a white looking mulatto, as a good plaintiff.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Plessy vs. Ferguson was another set up in 1896: the trolley company wanted to not have to have segregated sections of their trolleys, so they picked Plessy, a white looking mulatto, as a good plaintiff.

    The Plessy majority was the same five guys that gave us Wong Kim Ark a year and a half later. Funny how the Supreme Court’s worst-ever and best-ever decisions would come from the same clique. John Marshall Harlan, the only other justice to vote on both, dissented on both. He seemed to like Negroes more than Chinamen.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s favorite tactic was to find a sympathetic male client to make some feminist point. Like the widower with a young son who was denied SSI widow’s benefits.

    And the Heller case fell on the white security guard Dick Heller, rather than the more “sympathetic” black ladies originally involved, because he was the only one actually turned down for a permit, necessary to have “standing”. The others hadn’t bothered to apply, knowing they’d never get approved.

    to not have to have…

    Gee, you had a chance for a double split infinitive there. Eg, “to not have to always have”. Larry Auster would roll in his grave.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    @Reg Cæsar


    Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s favorite tactic was to find a sympathetic male client to make some feminist point.
     
    This is generally how the MSM make their socio-cultural points in its entertainment offerings. They hire the most appealing young men and women to propound the preferred "woke" narratives, and as foils some very disagreeable characters take the part of (for example) economic literates or race realists.
    , @JMcG
    @Reg Cæsar

    I really miss Mr Auster.

  73. @Mr McKenna
    @Clive Beaconsfield

    No one's denying that there aren't illegitimate uses of force by the nation's constabulary. Happens all the time. We're arguing about the Narrative which runs roughly contrary to the Facts.

    Every one of us can recite local stories about white guys getting killed by cops when they've done nothing wrong at all. These stories always remain local.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “Every one of us can recite local stories about white guys getting killed by cops when they’ve done nothing wrong at all. These stories always remain local.”

    Thirty years back I had a colleague whose brother was a bit of a ‘lad’ – one evening he was being chased by the police for some offence (probably drunken), he shinned over a wall in the dark and the first officer who followed him missed the narrow ledge, dropped 15 feet into an culvert and broke his leg. When the rest caught up with him they beat and kicked him, and he lost a testicle to their assault.

    I’m not sure it even made the papers.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Served him right. It's known as contempt of cop.

  74. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Plessy vs. Ferguson was another set up in 1896: the trolley company wanted to not have to have segregated sections of their trolleys, so they picked Plessy, a white looking mulatto, as a good plaintiff.

     

    The Plessy majority was the same five guys that gave us Wong Kim Ark a year and a half later. Funny how the Supreme Court's worst-ever and best-ever decisions would come from the same clique. John Marshall Harlan, the only other justice to vote on both, dissented on both. He seemed to like Negroes more than Chinamen.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg's favorite tactic was to find a sympathetic male client to make some feminist point. Like the widower with a young son who was denied SSI widow's benefits.

    And the Heller case fell on the white security guard Dick Heller, rather than the more "sympathetic" black ladies originally involved, because he was the only one actually turned down for a permit, necessary to have "standing". The others hadn't bothered to apply, knowing they'd never get approved.


    to not have to have...
     
    Gee, you had a chance for a double split infinitive there. Eg, "to not have to always have". Larry Auster would roll in his grave.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @JMcG

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s favorite tactic was to find a sympathetic male client to make some feminist point.

    This is generally how the MSM make their socio-cultural points in its entertainment offerings. They hire the most appealing young men and women to propound the preferred “woke” narratives, and as foils some very disagreeable characters take the part of (for example) economic literates or race realists.

  75. The left has an entire lexicon of terms of abuse, words that once had an actual operational meaning but now are just exclamations of abuse.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/09/words-weapons-and-rituals-of-left-and.html

  76. @JimDandy
    Philando Castile was shot by a mestizo cop (Jeronimo Yanez) after he obstinately kept reaching for his midsection while the cop frantically screamed at him to stop. Castile was probably too stoned to save his own life. "Sympathetic" isn't even the most important box that needs to be checked to become a good poster boy. "Shot by a racist white cop" is the key.

    Replies: @George

    “Castile was probably too stoned to save his own life.”

    THC Positive Autopsy Used to Justify Fatal Police Shooting
    https://cannabisnow.com/thc-positive-autopsy-used-justify-fatal-police-shooting/

    Castile was not pulled over for unsafe driving and complied immediately by pulling over. “The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just because of the wide-set nose. I couldn’t get a good look at the passenger.” Yanez who did not seem to notice a child was also in the vehicle. If I remember the video Castile was communicating normally, Yanez was the problem.

    Also worth noting is that Yanez’s partner was at the side of the vehicle and did not shoot, probably because he could not figure out who had the gun (answer nobody).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile#Background

    My personal opinion is Yanez is not guilty or even responsible for the incident, the poor hiring decision made by the police was. Judge internet troll’s verdict: Yanez not guilty and not liable.

  77. “Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.”

    What if good government is not the goal, and maybe what they are trying to avoid? I believe the Trots would explain it as attempting to hide the class war from whites by claiming it is really blacks that are the problem.

    Behind the epidemic of police killings in America: Class, poverty and race
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/20/kil1-d20.html

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @George


    I believe the Trots would explain it as attempting to hide the class war from whites by claiming it is really blacks that are the problem.
     
    Southrons have been aware that Blacks are the problem since before Trotsky was born; weaponizing Blacks against American Whites was an explicit goal of the Communists for almost a century now.  It took Northerners like me a while longer to be able to verbalize it.
  78. @Mr McKenna
    @anon

    If you watch really old movies, the cops are shooting anything that moves.

    It's kinda funny.

    Replies: @David In TN

    Dirty Harry (1971) is not that old to me, but picture the early scene with the attempted bank robbery by black perps happening in real life.

    “Did I fire six shots or only five? Do you feel lucky punk?”

  79. @Stan d Mute

    the Establishment, such as the President, telling blacks that their unfortunate outcomes are the result of White Evil.
     
    They don’t need to be told by the Establishment, they’re told from birth by their mothers, grandmothers, and all the adult men who pimp walk through their mothers’ lives. They’re told by their teachers in their ghetto schools. If the Establishment says that their pathologies are their own making, they just get angry at the lying Establishment. That Obama told them what they’ve always known to be true likely had no effect on them either way. One can imagine conversation along the lines of, “dat Obama, he jus tryna ack like he ain’t no Uncle Tom.” If anything, it might increase their trust of the Democratic Party and FedGov, but that would have been offset by AG Holder’s finding in Ferguson.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Absimilation.

  80. Anonymous[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @J.Ross
    Dear anonymous iSteve commenter:
    The answer is aways more paranoia. BLM wasn't about blacks. BLM was about destroying the credibility of police critics.
    Professional activism should be banned because it is now beyond clear that it gums up the works and exacerbates the problems it claims to address.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Obviously, our tax code structure incentivizes SJW behavior and ensures they have plenty of walking-around money. More broadly the size of the federal and state governments guarantees revenue streams that will be exploited for activism first, cause TBD.

    Since this gores everyone’s ox esp. once welfare/food stamps and nonprofit churches and universities are considered, nothing will ever change until the whale suddenly dies.

  81. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Earl Lemongrab
    Philando Castile-- a well-liked cafeteria worker with a legal weapon he declared to the cop who shot him--seemed pretty sympathetic. So did the guy in Ohio who picked up up a pellet gun in a sporting goods store.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @donut, @Bubba, @Reg Cæsar, @anon

    he was drunk while carrying thats illegal- more to the point shit happens in a nation this large where we have such a violent underclass and the need for a pretty tough police force to deal with them mistakes will be made thats not institutional racism (not that racism even has a sensible meaning in a pejorative way) its just a fact of institutions of any size they make mistakes they hire the wrong guys sometimes and fail to catch them before they screw up the best of guys make mistakes and pure chance sometimes works against you.It doesnt matter a wit if half a dozen blacks a year are shot by whit cops when ideally they shouldnt be given the number of black criminals and cops it would be expected its actually incredible it doesnt happen

  82. It is probably a numbers game a lot like welfare usage. The number of white womb producers consuming welfare is higher since whites are still the majority of womb producers in the USA, but proportionately, Black womb producers and womb producers in some other minority groups, like Hispanics legally and illegally here, consume a much larger percentage of welfare.

    Since there are more whites than Blacks in the USA (79%), the number of white-on-white shootings is high, but since Blacks, in proportion to their percentage of the population (12%), commit seven times more murders than whites, mostly killing other Blacks, the police presence in majority-Black neighborhoods is high, and the fear index of police in those neighborhoods is justifiably high, leading to more of what they probably regard as defensive shootings.

    Regardless of the race baiting, it is the consensus in both parties, and reflected in every piece of legislation they pass, along with the consensus of juries, that womb producers’ lives matter more and that the lives of so-called “working families” are more important than the lives of individuals.

    What was the settlement amount for the 40-year-old, white, single, childless, Australian yoga instructor who walked up to a police vehicle to report hearing a rape in progress below her apartment window? Shot dead by a Black, Somalian-American police officer for being a Good Samaritan, her life did not matter since her birth canal had seen no exits. Was the settlement of her loved ones $0.00 or $0.00? She was not in that working-families-lives-matter-more category, even though her character was demonstrably better than the character of many moms.

    Are moms really mostly concerned about their dead kids’ lives or the fathers of their kids? It is hard to see how the males in “working families”—males shot and killed mistakenly, or wrongly, by police—are protected by $3 to $6 million dollar verdicts for moms, whether the moms are Black or white. It certainly won’t prevent any wrongful shootings of humans who do not fall into lucrative, sympathy-milking, jury-swaying categories, not that working families should concern themselves with anyone other than themselves.

    Diversity in the number of multi-million-dollar settlements for sympathy-generating, bereaved moms will not bring back to life poorly supervised Black or white children or other immediate family members shot by police.

    It is interesting how much media-generated sympathy the non-custodial, male parents get only in the case of death by police shooting.

    In normal circumstances, their sperm productivity does not produce over-the-top sympathy, resulting in massive, multi-million-dollar cash rewards from juries or accumulative, yearly cash rewards in the mere thousands from what custodial moms refer to as “the system” of pay-per-birth monthly welfare, plus refundable child tax credits up to $6,431.

    But in death-by-police incidents, the male half of the working family is canonized by the media as much as the part-time-working mom half.

    Perhaps, working mommas, in their crony voted-best-for-moms jobs, should use their ample, family-friendly time off to prevent these shootings, putting some effort into teaching their sons that people of all colors must be more careful around the police these days, even if the police are behaving in a bullying way.

    There are more and more guns around, and more and more kids raised by low-wage daycare workers, unsupervised and getting into serious types of trouble, ramping up the danger faced by police. Do some police lack common sense? Yes. But they are in more danger, particularly in some high-crime areas, the more this society spins out of control.

    The USA has a 300% increase in the frequency of mass shootings, many carried out by children, albeit not mostly Black children. But if you add up all the crime and gang-related shootings in places like Chicago, you can see why police are so guard in those neighborhoods.

    Instead of rewarding moms with multi-million settlements since the lives of womb producers, sperm producers killed by police and kids under 18 matter more, why don’t people question why the parents, the grandparents or the daycare workers who raise children, aren’t managing to teach them how to avoid violence and not to engage in violence.

    Oh, that’s right: moms should only receive media laurel wreaths, pay-per-birth benefits from government and multi-million-dollar legal settlements from the legal system, not any type of criticism, even if they could prevent their children’s deaths by teaching them better.

  83. During the Obama era, the establishment was busy changing the channel away from Occupy verses the One Percent. You don’t hear about a multi-ethnic grassroots movement punching up anymore. It’s all about punching down on ugly racists,fascists and homophobes. Mission accomplished.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  84. @Joe Stalin
    What gets me in Chicago is how the City of Chicago is quick settle with families of people killed by coppers, even before the cases have been dragged through court. And then the Alderman in City Council quickly vote for multi-million dollar settlements, because the voting cattle don't care that it's THEIR taxes that pay for these settlements.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    One problem is that a lot of the relevant voters don’t pay taxes.

  85. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    But these kind of planned incidents aren’t a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.
     
    No, it isn't. And there is nothing intrinsically wrong with doing that. But it wasn't sold to us as that (when I learned about it in school, for example). It was actually presented to us as a genuine, spontaneous event; not a planned PR campaign. The Scopes trial was the same sort of deal. Why always the deception?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ben tillman, @J.Ross

    Why always the deception?

    The Left has to lie. It’s that simple. How many will give informed consent to a boot stamping on their human face forever?

  86. @Dave Pinsen
    @Anon

    Starbucks should have done what you said, but they didn’t do that bad: within days of their announcement about welcoming bums, the local stores near me had flyers on their bulletin boards essentially refuting the policy, and including contact info for local homeless shelters. And SBUX shares have smoked the S&P since.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Starbucks should have done what you said, but they didn’t do that bad: within days of their announcement about welcoming bums, the local stores near me had flyers on their bulletin boards essentially refuting the policy, and including contact info for local homeless shelters.

    It’s funny that in Dallas, in the nicest part of town, the Starbucks on the Southeast edge of the SMU campus already had a policy (presumably informal) of letting the homeless use the restroom. One worker told me about how he had to clean up a homeless guy’s mess in the restroom, but he didn’t seem to mind. He just felt sorry for the guy. He might have felt otherwise if he’d had to deal with a large homeless population in the area.

  87. @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymity

    They edited Zimmerman’s 911 call to make it sound racial.

    It's a disgrace that Zimmerman's suit on that matter was tossed out. It seemed entirely legitimate.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Yeah, the court was wrong.

  88. @Mr. Anon
    @Steve Sailer


    But these kind of planned incidents aren’t a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.
     
    No, it isn't. And there is nothing intrinsically wrong with doing that. But it wasn't sold to us as that (when I learned about it in school, for example). It was actually presented to us as a genuine, spontaneous event; not a planned PR campaign. The Scopes trial was the same sort of deal. Why always the deception?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ben tillman, @J.Ross

    >why always the deception?

    Because, per Bernays, the alternative would be you making up your own mind and having a degree of power.

  89. @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    But these kind of planned incidents aren't a bad way to test a legal principle. Obama should have realized that opportunistically jumping on typical ghetto screw-ups was a bad idea.

    Replies: @Whiskey, @Mr. Anon, @Lurker

    Well it rather depends on what sort of outcome Obama was hoping for. My cynical guess is that he got exactly the outcome he wanted.

  90. @Reg Cæsar
    @Steve Sailer


    Plessy vs. Ferguson was another set up in 1896: the trolley company wanted to not have to have segregated sections of their trolleys, so they picked Plessy, a white looking mulatto, as a good plaintiff.

     

    The Plessy majority was the same five guys that gave us Wong Kim Ark a year and a half later. Funny how the Supreme Court's worst-ever and best-ever decisions would come from the same clique. John Marshall Harlan, the only other justice to vote on both, dissented on both. He seemed to like Negroes more than Chinamen.

    Ruth Bader Ginsburg's favorite tactic was to find a sympathetic male client to make some feminist point. Like the widower with a young son who was denied SSI widow's benefits.

    And the Heller case fell on the white security guard Dick Heller, rather than the more "sympathetic" black ladies originally involved, because he was the only one actually turned down for a permit, necessary to have "standing". The others hadn't bothered to apply, knowing they'd never get approved.


    to not have to have...
     
    Gee, you had a chance for a double split infinitive there. Eg, "to not have to always have". Larry Auster would roll in his grave.

    Replies: @Trevor H., @JMcG

    I really miss Mr Auster.

  91. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr McKenna

    "Every one of us can recite local stories about white guys getting killed by cops when they’ve done nothing wrong at all. These stories always remain local."

    Thirty years back I had a colleague whose brother was a bit of a 'lad' - one evening he was being chased by the police for some offence (probably drunken), he shinned over a wall in the dark and the first officer who followed him missed the narrow ledge, dropped 15 feet into an culvert and broke his leg. When the rest caught up with him they beat and kicked him, and he lost a testicle to their assault.

    I'm not sure it even made the papers.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Served him right. It’s known as contempt of cop.

  92. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations."

    Obama, the boob that he was and is, probably only sped up a phenomenon that was inevitable anyway. If given the opportunity, Kamala Harris (Obama's fellow non descendant of US slaves) will most certainly accelerate the racialism.

    The preexisting tragedy was the outlawing of free association among whites, which began 50 years earlier. There have been endless racial tragedies within the US ever since, mostly against whites.

    "We all have an interest in cops getting better trained to make better decisions, including cops."

    I hear this all the time from all points on the spectrum. But what does it mean, exactly? What specific "training" should be implemented? Because lists of training regimens never seems to follow these calls for more training. I am genuinely curious. It seems to me the only thing that is going to give police more training, is more real experience in the field. So then what; that means always having a 20 year veteran PO partnered with a rookie over a certain period of years? Good luck with the unions on that one.

    Policing involves trust to some degree, right? Therefor I would also suggest assigning people officers to districts/neighborhoods by race. Black cops in black neighborhoods, white cops in white neighborhoods, and so on. But police unions, city politicians, and every screeching social justice harpie would lose their minds. Here in Chicago, black and mestizo females do not want to patrol in Englwood and Garfield Heights, they want to patrol in River North and Wrigleyville, because that's where the good eatin' is, and they can just tsk tsk liberal whites if and when they feel like writing up a traffic citation.

    But that raises yet another issue, as we saw with the St. Paul Somali, that no amount of training is going to address the fact that law enforcement organizations are filling their ranks with grossly unqualified individuals, because equality. Metro police forces are turning into welfare with a badge.

    But the main issue, as it always comes back to is, is that in a homogeneous country none of these issues would be anywhere near the problem they are today.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.

    Not only a tragedy–for the innocent lives lost and the general decline in US race relations–but it was essentially the opposite of what most of Obama’s “good white” supporters had hoped for.

    The main piece of the good-white Obama swooning was clearly signaling their virtue (and sticking it to bad whites). But clearly a bunch of good whites thought–roughly–“hey we’ll elect this (clean, educated) black guy and blacks will both feel included and can take him as an example of how to behave–including an example of the doors that are open if they behave.

    Obama could have actually done a useful public service if he’d addressed a message to young black men, to essentially comply with cops. 99% of shootings of blacks by the cops are simply because the blacks in question are just acting like douche bags and won’t comply with simple order like “put down the gun”, “drop the knife”, “get your ass on the ground”, “don’t move”, “keep your hands on the car”, etc. etc.

    Obama, could lather up his message with all sorts of leftist b.s., but at the behavioral level, push “comply with the cops”.

    Roughly:
    — there is racism, but there are right and wrong ways to stand up to it
    — confrontations with the cops do none of us any good
    — the police have a different job than the rest of us; we send them out to poke around toward when someone reports trouble and resolve it; the cops can’t “stand down” like ordinary guys, it’s their job to “win”, so if you don’t comply with their orders, bad stuff is going to happen–to you
    — the police will screw up, misunderstand, get it wrong sometimes; they are human just like the rest of us;
    — but you gain nothing–even if in the right–by trying to “win” against the cops on the street; comply with the cops on the street, and even if arrested, you’ll be alive and have your chance to tell your side of the story in court
    — we all know there’s racism, and we want you to fight it, fight for change and a fair society for all; but brother you can only fight the good fight if you’re alive;

    Done well, that could actually have done some good. But of course, that would have required Obama to not be full of excuse making bullshit.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @AnotherDad


    that could actually have done some good. But of course, that would have required Obama to not be full of excuse making bullshit.
     
    That is the essence of the betrayal represented by the false Obamessiah.  Kudos to you.
  93. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations."

    Obama, the boob that he was and is, probably only sped up a phenomenon that was inevitable anyway. If given the opportunity, Kamala Harris (Obama's fellow non descendant of US slaves) will most certainly accelerate the racialism.

    The preexisting tragedy was the outlawing of free association among whites, which began 50 years earlier. There have been endless racial tragedies within the US ever since, mostly against whites.

    "We all have an interest in cops getting better trained to make better decisions, including cops."

    I hear this all the time from all points on the spectrum. But what does it mean, exactly? What specific "training" should be implemented? Because lists of training regimens never seems to follow these calls for more training. I am genuinely curious. It seems to me the only thing that is going to give police more training, is more real experience in the field. So then what; that means always having a 20 year veteran PO partnered with a rookie over a certain period of years? Good luck with the unions on that one.

    Policing involves trust to some degree, right? Therefor I would also suggest assigning people officers to districts/neighborhoods by race. Black cops in black neighborhoods, white cops in white neighborhoods, and so on. But police unions, city politicians, and every screeching social justice harpie would lose their minds. Here in Chicago, black and mestizo females do not want to patrol in Englwood and Garfield Heights, they want to patrol in River North and Wrigleyville, because that's where the good eatin' is, and they can just tsk tsk liberal whites if and when they feel like writing up a traffic citation.

    But that raises yet another issue, as we saw with the St. Paul Somali, that no amount of training is going to address the fact that law enforcement organizations are filling their ranks with grossly unqualified individuals, because equality. Metro police forces are turning into welfare with a badge.

    But the main issue, as it always comes back to is, is that in a homogeneous country none of these issues would be anywhere near the problem they are today.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @AnotherDad

    Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.

    Not only a tragedy–for the innocent lives lost and the general decline in US race relations–but it was essentially the opposite of what most of Obama’s “good white” supporters had hoped for.

    The main piece of the good-white Obama swooning was clearly signaling their virtue (and sticking it to bad whites). But clearly a bunch of good whites thought–roughly–“hey we’ll elect this (clean, educated) black guy and blacks will both feel included and can take him as an example of how to behave–including an example of the doors that are open if they behave.

    Obama could have actually done a useful public service if he’d addressed a message to young black men, to essentially comply with cops. 99% of shootings of blacks by the cops are simply because the blacks in question are just acting like douche bags and won’t comply with simple order like “put down the gun”, “drop the knife”, “get your ass on the ground”, “don’t move”, “keep your hands on the car”, etc. etc.

    Obama, could lather up his message with all sorts of leftist b.s., but at the behavioral level, push “comply with the cops”.

    Roughly:
    — there is racism, but there are right and wrong ways to stand up to it
    — confrontations with the cops do none of us any good
    — the police have a different job than the rest of us; we send them out to poke around toward when someone reports trouble and resolve it; the cops can’t “stand down” like ordinary guys, it’s their job to “win”, so if you don’t comply with their orders, bad stuff is going to happen–to you
    — the police will screw up, misunderstand, get it wrong sometimes; they are human just like the rest of us;
    — but you gain nothing–even if in the right–by trying to “win” against the cops on the street; comply with the cops on the street, and even if arrested, you’ll be alive and have your chance to tell your side of the story in court
    — we all know there’s racism, and we want you to fight it, fight for change and a fair society for all; but brother you can only fight the good fight if you’re alive;

    Done well, that could actually have done some good. But of course, that would have required Obama to not be full of excuse making bullshit.

  94. Black violence versus the other races is well known. There are whites with a moderate amount for violence. There are East Asians with a very tiny levels of violence . And finally there are blacks with extremely high levels of violent crime.

    It is seldom mentioned that these phenotypic measures exactly mirror the MAOA gene frequencies. MAOA however is usually stated so as to obscure the real relationship. If you confine your analysis to the low repeat 2R statistics the pattern is very clear and MAOA seems to account completely for black violence. But many politically correct authors look only at the 3R statistics which obscures the pattern.

    I hesitate to say that his is a purposeful conspiracy. But using the 3R variant does obscure the pattern while using the 2R variant yields complete agreement.

    The obvious conclusion is that Sub-Saharan blacks are violent because of their genetic makeup not anything environmental.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  95. @George
    "Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations."

    What if good government is not the goal, and maybe what they are trying to avoid? I believe the Trots would explain it as attempting to hide the class war from whites by claiming it is really blacks that are the problem.

    Behind the epidemic of police killings in America: Class, poverty and race
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/20/kil1-d20.html

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I believe the Trots would explain it as attempting to hide the class war from whites by claiming it is really blacks that are the problem.

    Southrons have been aware that Blacks are the problem since before Trotsky was born; weaponizing Blacks against American Whites was an explicit goal of the Communists for almost a century now.  It took Northerners like me a while longer to be able to verbalize it.

  96. @AnotherDad
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    Very few people have noticed what a tragedy it was that Obama agreed to racialize what could have been non-racial good government pushes to reduce the number of police shootings and incarcerations.
     
    Not only a tragedy--for the innocent lives lost and the general decline in US race relations--but it was essentially the opposite of what most of Obama's "good white" supporters had hoped for.

    The main piece of the good-white Obama swooning was clearly signaling their virtue (and sticking it to bad whites). But clearly a bunch of good whites thought--roughly--"hey we'll elect this (clean, educated) black guy and blacks will both feel included and can take him as an example of how to behave--including an example of the doors that are open if they behave.

    Obama could have actually done a useful public service if he'd addressed a message to young black men, to essentially comply with cops. 99% of shootings of blacks by the cops are simply because the blacks in question are just acting like douche bags and won't comply with simple order like "put down the gun", "drop the knife", "get your ass on the ground", "don't move", "keep your hands on the car", etc. etc.

    Obama, could lather up his message with all sorts of leftist b.s., but at the behavioral level, push "comply with the cops".

    Roughly:
    -- there is racism, but there are right and wrong ways to stand up to it
    -- confrontations with the cops do none of us any good
    -- the police have a different job than the rest of us; we send them out to poke around toward when someone reports trouble and resolve it; the cops can't "stand down" like ordinary guys, it's their job to "win", so if you don't comply with their orders, bad stuff is going to happen--to you
    -- the police will screw up, misunderstand, get it wrong sometimes; they are human just like the rest of us;
    -- but you gain nothing--even if in the right--by trying to "win" against the cops on the street; comply with the cops on the street, and even if arrested, you'll be alive and have your chance to tell your side of the story in court
    -- we all know there's racism, and we want you to fight it, fight for change and a fair society for all; but brother you can only fight the good fight if you're alive;

    Done well, that could actually have done some good. But of course, that would have required Obama to not be full of excuse making bullshit.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    that could actually have done some good. But of course, that would have required Obama to not be full of excuse making bullshit.

    That is the essence of the betrayal represented by the false Obamessiah.  Kudos to you.

  97. @anon
    Steve: You ran across a rarity: a truly sympathetic white victim of a police shooting. If you look through the data, white victims are seldom all that sympathetic. Informally read through a sample of 50 or so and you might not find a single one.

    There are a number of third parties that get hit during car chases. And you have your mentally ill and suicide by cop. Car chases are generally discouraged for liability reasons.

    One thing that did stand out is just how dangerous it is to introduce cars into a police encounter. Cops can never be sure suspects are unarmed. The further west you get, the more frequently a car is involved.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @William Badwhite

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