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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

The Tall and Short of It

Steve Sailer
December 20, 2023

What’s the most common first name for an African-American NBA player?

D’Qantivious?

T’Variusness?

Nah, it turns out that black pro basketball players are most commonly named Chris, followed by similarly middle-class names such as James, Marcus, Mike, and Eric.

According to data scientist Seth Stephens-Davidowitz’s new mini-book Who Makes the NBA? Data Driven Answers to Basketball’s Biggest Questions, black NBA players are only about half as likely as the general black male populace to have those bizarre black-only first names that sociologist Andrew Hacker noted tend to be the product of schoolgirl whimsy as teen mothers try to outcompete all their pregnant friends in creative naming.

That’s because the players who make it to the NBA and stay for a solid career tend to come from above-average family backgrounds:

Black NBA players are 32 percent less likely to be born to unmarried mothers and 36 percent less likely to be born to a teenage mother.

Why are 59 percent of African American NBA players legitimate? Because professional sports are extremely competitive these days, so, unless you are seven feet tall, it takes privileges of both nature and nurture to reach the big time. …

This short book contains much of interest for both basketball fans and those interested more generally in how the world works.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. sociologist Andrew Hacker noted tend to be the product of schoolgirl whimsy as teen mothers try to outcompete all their pregnant friends in creative naming

    I never thought of the correlation between single motherhood and creative naming among black people, but it makes sense. Out of curiosity I decided to look up the lineage of D’Brickashaw Ferguson. It turns out his parents were married, his father’s name was Ed, and his brother’s name is Edwin. His father is from the Bahamas. D’Brickashaw named his own sons Eden and Emery.

    So how did D’Brickashaw get his unique moniker? He was born in December 1983. In March 1983 The Thorn Birds was broadcast on ABC, and the Richard Chamberlain character was named Father Ralph de Bricassart.

    • LOL: Renard
    • Replies: @Rusty Tailgate
    @ScarletNumber

    My brother talked about naming his kid D'Brickashaw and he really had our mom going for a while.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @Known Fact
    @ScarletNumber

    Thanks! It doesn't get much more white than Richard Chamberlain, except maybe Chad Everett and Sam Elliott. Great info, D'Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names since I saw him play once for Troy State. Former Saints cornerback D'Artagnan Martin is another good one, and his brother is named after another Musketeer.

    As far as b-ball, Purvis Short is probably my favorite blackish name. Granville Waiters was pretty classy sounding

    Replies: @njguy73, @Reg Cæsar, @Adolf Smith

    , @Barnard
    @ScarletNumber

    Those are D'Brickashaw Fergusons daughters. De'Aaron Fox in the NBA also comes from a two parent family. His dad's name is Aaron they must not have agreed on just using that name.

  2. • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

    The most remarkable thing about Yao Ming to me is not his towering height -- it's the size of his head. Just compare it to Bogues's head. I wonder if it weighs 50 pounds on its own . . . .

  3. One of the quarterbacks playing in the college football playoff is named.
    Michael Penix Jr.

    Tell everyone a lot just from that. About the father: Michael Penix Sr. is a former football player who played as a running back at Pasco High School and later collegiately at Tennessee Tech. He also served as a football coach, counselor, and supervisor for troubled children at AMIKids.

    Sounds very much like the resume of a white dad whose kids play college sports: minor athlete in college and a coach.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Guest007

    LOL Penix looks like it should be the plural of penis

    Replies: @Truth

  4. The fact that your odds of making the NBA drop to 1 in 7 if you’re over 7 feet tall shattered my view of Basketball as an athletic endeavor. It isn’t. It’s an anatomy contest.

    • Replies: @MagyarUszo
    @Nathan

    Every physical sport is an anatomy contest at some level.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Nathan

    It’s kind of a misleading stat that understates the skill and athleticism involved. The team that won the NBA championship last year, the Denver Nuggets, did so without a 7-footer on their roster; some 7-footers in the NBA are benchwarmers (like fan favorite Boban Marjanović, who plays maybe 7 minutes per game); and skilled, athletic 7-footers are pretty rare—off the top of my head, there’s Kristaps Porzingis, and the rookie phenom Victor Wembanyama.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @Ron Mexico
    @Nathan

    You never played for Paul Westhead, then. He came down and shared his system with our high school staff while he was at Loyola Marymount. The conditioning was murder, and the 6'8" to 7'ers struggled with it, but we made back to back CIF title games, won one, played in major tourneys in DC, Arkansas, Vegas, and Phoenix, and did it with mostly white dudes. Not an athletic endeavor, huh?

  5. “…white basketball players in North America thrive best in remote regions where they don’t have to compete against too many blacks until they are more physically mature”

    Soon there will be no such place, of course. But a person can also get to “physically mature” by being, well, older:

    “Official statistics show that over half of asylum seekers whose age was checked after they claimed to be under 18 were found to be adults between Q2 2016 and Q2 2020. That is just under 1,600 out of 3,100 cases.

    Ahmed Hassan, the Parsons Green Tube bomber, was one of many adult migrants who lied about their age.”

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2020/11/23/asylum-being-abused-claimants-caught-lying-about-age

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Anon7

    The percentage of the population that is black is not growing in the U.S. The birthrate for African-Americans is below replacement. One should probably assume that being in a location with lots of Hispanics does help become a better basketball players.

  6. The basketball hands statistic reminds me of what a friend of mine who swam in the Olympics in Atlanta once told me. He says an inordinate number of elite swimmers can hyper-extend their lower legs (and that was one of the tests he was made to do as a child).

  7. “Schoolgirl whimsy” is just what I think of when noting the stupid ass names black teen sluts give their spawn. The only good thing about it is it’s a guaranteed identifier of black criminals when no picture is available, or more likely deliberately hidden…

    • Agree: anonymouseperson
  8. “Blacks are over-represented in pro sports because sports are a way out of the ghetto” is an argument I remember hearing a lot from people who insisted there couldn’t be any race-based differences in athletic ability.

    The fact that black pro athletes tend to come from better-off-than-average black families would seem to undermine that theory.

    Another comical one was that East Africans are great distance runners because they grow up herding goats at high altitudes. Haile Gebreselassie went to private school… he didn’t grow up chasing goats. It always struck me that the “it has to be all nurture, no nature” arguments were often more condescending than the position that nature played a role.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @pirelli

    Blacks are not overrepresented in sports but are just overrepresented in football (American version) and basketball. One may want to look at the recent NCAA women's volleyball tournament.

  9. • Replies: @tyrone
    @Mike Tre

    I do the same thing every time I watch Biden.

  10. We are now in an era in which a non-insignificant number of athletes are 2nd generation pros as well, and in some cases have mothers who were accomplished amateur athletes, so perhaps there is some civilizing influence going on there combined with shared interests that make these relationships work. I do find it interesting how LeBron James is the son of a teen mother but has stuck with his high school girlfriend (now wife) to raise his kids, but apparently she grew up with married parents and no doubt that influenced things. I suspect – but don’t know for obvious reasons – that amongst wealthy black ex-athletes that there is a social pecking order between those like James that have adopted a more mainstream and respectable existence that gives them continued access to respectable/white society versus those that are essentially still hood people with money.

    I do agree with Steve’s observation about the benefits of slower to physically develop white boys playing the game with fewer black competitors when young. I think it’s pretty well established that blacks hit puberty earlier than whites, and as parent of kids that play a lot of basketball it appears to me that generally there is on average noticeable physical separation by the end of middle school. There’s also the fact that a lot of young basketball talent ends up playing loads of AAU games in which physical ability is highlighted but there not as much game fundamentals, and the latter is where white kids can shine more if allowed to develop.

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Arclight

    “ There’s also the fact that a lot of young basketball talent ends up playing loads of AAU games in which physical ability is highlighted but there not as much game fundamentals, and the latter is where white kids can shine more if allowed to develop”

    I don’t know shit about basketball (and care even less), but the point about development makes sense. In hockey, which I do know something about there used to be (by the Canucks who controlled the sport for many years*) tremendous bias against American, and American college players, as compared to those going the Canadian Junior route. What began to become clear, and was even noticed by some as far back as the 70s, is that college players have more time to develop, and get more practice time, and are thus more ready for the next level. Part of it is age, but… A top 20 NCAA team these days would beat a Tier 1 Junior team most of the time.

    Also hockey players tend not to have names like Jonquavious…

    * Here in Bruins-land there’s lots of nostalgia for the Original Six (Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Boston and the New York Rangers).

    I prefer to think of the Original Six Era as “The Time When Americans (or any other Non-Canadians) were not allowed in the NHL.” Billy Cleary of Boston and Harvard University (no info as to whether he plagiarized anything) and John Mayasich of Eveleth, MN and the University of Minnesota were the stars of the 1960 Gold Medal-winning US Olympic team- neither even tried to go the NHL route, as it meant years of riding the busses, with very little chance of making the bigs.

    Original Six… Bah Humbug!

    Replies: @Arclight, @Ian M.

  11. @ScarletNumber

    sociologist Andrew Hacker noted tend to be the product of schoolgirl whimsy as teen mothers try to outcompete all their pregnant friends in creative naming
     
    I never thought of the correlation between single motherhood and creative naming among black people, but it makes sense. Out of curiosity I decided to look up the lineage of D'Brickashaw Ferguson. It turns out his parents were married, his father's name was Ed, and his brother's name is Edwin. His father is from the Bahamas. D'Brickashaw named his own sons Eden and Emery.

    So how did D'Brickashaw get his unique moniker? He was born in December 1983. In March 1983 The Thorn Birds was broadcast on ABC, and the Richard Chamberlain character was named Father Ralph de Bricassart.

    Replies: @Rusty Tailgate, @Known Fact, @Barnard

    My brother talked about naming his kid D’Brickashaw and he really had our mom going for a while.

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Rusty Tailgate

    Given your mom's choice of names for her kids, who's she to nit pick?
    D’Brickashaw Tailgate has a certain ring to it.

  12. “Marcus” is just as black as Tyrone or Leroy. An old school normal black male name before the crazy shit of the modern era. Yep, playing at forward, number 43, Marcus Washington. Back in the day seems Blacks had those old school Biblical names like Moses. How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Trinity

    How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    And, also, Prince, King, and Romeo. And, for girls, Princess and Queen.

    Replies: @Trinity

    , @kaganovitch
    @Trinity


    “Marcus” is just as black as Tyrone or Leroy. An old school normal black male name before the crazy shit of the modern era.
     
    Fwiw, less than half the (20) MLB players named 'Marcus' over the last 40 years have been Black. On the other hand, every 'Tyrone' (11) has been at least part Black including the great Juan Tyrone Eichelberger. Somewhat shockingly, of the 11 Leroys in MLB over the last 50 years, 10 have been White including Tim Lincecum and Roy (Doc)Halliday.
    , @ScarletNumber
    @Trinity


    Isaiah Lord Thomas
     
    Legally he is Isiah Lord Thomas III, which means that not only did his great-grandparents have these delusions of grandeur, but they botched the spelling of his first name 🤣
    , @Bill Jones
    @Trinity


    How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.
     
    Weren't the names really a cargo cult practice?
    If we build it they will come morphs easily into if we name them they will be.

    Replies: @Trinity

  13. On the one hand, giving up on the West probably predicts for giving up on other things, and making it to be NBA means following rules, accepting criticism, and staying out of trouble. So it looks like a legitimate thing to check from this end of the telescope for wider sociological implications. On the other hand, have you seen who makes it?

  14. I think it is interesting that many Black People have white mothers. This trend is ever increasing.

    That tells you something right there.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Tiny Duck

    As the joke goes, a white woman can have a black child but a black woman cannot have a white child. That is why Steve likes to point out that the logic does not work that way in most countries.

    Replies: @Truth, @ScarletNumber

    , @TWS
    @Tiny Duck

    Blacks will stick it in anything that moves, and if it doesn't move they'll shake it. That's your lesson right there.

  15. “On the other hand, the prime reason basketball is such a popular spectator sport is that it exemplifies masculine dominance ”

    Which tends to explain why soccer has never caught on in the US among non-Hispanic whites.

    But compared to say, the NFL, basketball doesn’t exactly equate to “masculine dominance”. There is a reason why many in the military (particularly those who served on the front lines during wartime) rate the NFL as their personal favorite sport.

    Happy Birthday, Steve. May your new year have some blessings, and that you continue your personal trend of noticing things, stuff, before others do.

  16. My oldest brother, 5’8″, graduated high school in 1978, was an all-league guard on a championship Caholic School team in an urban area. Of course he didn’t play college ball and if there’s one White starter on that high school’s team today, I’d be surprised. There were 5 on my brothers team (one a very Pale Puerto Rican). So what changed? The game has changed, remember ‘walking’ and ‘double dribble’? The cities changed, local courts became drug bazaars and it wasn’t worth the fighting for White kids to play near blacks. And I agree with Steve that blacks do seem to mature physically faster than most Whites, which discourages White kids from competing with them. That and the physical violence.

  17. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:

    Shooting and other skills, unlike the size of your frame, are obviously trainable. But that doesn’t mean successful “normal”-heighted NBA guards like Nash, Curry, and Chris Paul aren’t also massive genetic outliers. NBA skills aren’t just a matter of getting shots up in the driveway: if you are normal height being chased around by athletic giants, you need to be extraordinarily quick to even have an opportunity to get a shot off. That is, you need to be quick at moving around the court, shooting, dribbling, etc. but also extremely mentally quick: able to read the game and make good decisions faster than anyone else. This applies not just to shooting but to inside scoring, playmaking, and defense. (Maybe not taking free throws, but certainly to getting to the line in the first place.) And you need the capacity for excellent endurance to keep it up for a whole game.

  18. Only the appendix that explains how he used AI: The main section of the book is in the same prose style as his previous works. But he found ChatGPT’s dull prose style good enough for rewriting his end papers.

    The technique he used for generating the appendix was to jot down sentences in any order, then ask AI to put them in a coherent sequence. After a few back-and-forths, ChatGPT would come up with a pretty decent text.

    In other words, more or less the same way high school and college kids use “AI” to write their term papers. It’s just that their teachers are paid to read the result, whereas book readers pay for the same experience.

    Nor did AI discover many of the findings in the book. You might think that AI would be particularly adept at crunching through massive amounts of data to find unexpected statistical correlations, but so far the leading AI services are focused more on spewing plausible-sounding prose.

    The former would be actually useful. The latter just makes the world more fake than it already is. That “AI” can’t do the former but torrentially gushes the latter is Exhibit A in why there is no intelligence in “Artificial Intelligence”.

    Worse, it seems to be getting dumber, if that’s the right adjective for something that doesn’t actually think in the first place:

  19. @ScarletNumber

    sociologist Andrew Hacker noted tend to be the product of schoolgirl whimsy as teen mothers try to outcompete all their pregnant friends in creative naming
     
    I never thought of the correlation between single motherhood and creative naming among black people, but it makes sense. Out of curiosity I decided to look up the lineage of D'Brickashaw Ferguson. It turns out his parents were married, his father's name was Ed, and his brother's name is Edwin. His father is from the Bahamas. D'Brickashaw named his own sons Eden and Emery.

    So how did D'Brickashaw get his unique moniker? He was born in December 1983. In March 1983 The Thorn Birds was broadcast on ABC, and the Richard Chamberlain character was named Father Ralph de Bricassart.

    Replies: @Rusty Tailgate, @Known Fact, @Barnard

    Thanks! It doesn’t get much more white than Richard Chamberlain, except maybe Chad Everett and Sam Elliott. Great info, D’Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names since I saw him play once for Troy State. Former Saints cornerback D’Artagnan Martin is another good one, and his brother is named after another Musketeer.

    As far as b-ball, Purvis Short is probably my favorite blackish name. Granville Waiters was pretty classy sounding

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Known Fact


    As far as b-ball, Purvis Short is probably my favorite blackish name. Granville Waiters was pretty classy sounding
     
    And then there was Fennis Dembo, all-WAC and third team All American at Wyoming.

    Dembo's unusual first name came from a suggestion by an older sister, Zona. He and his twin sister Fenise were the 11th and 12th children in their family. Zona preferred that they be the last children in the family, and suggested they be named after finis, French for "finish".
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennis_Dembo
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Known Fact


    D’Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names
     
    The ultimate American sports name would be D'Brickashaw van Breda Kolff. Biletnikoff a close second.

    Replies: @Russ, @Bill Jones

    , @Adolf Smith
    @Known Fact

    You keep the name Chad Everett out yo fucking' mouth!!

  20. @ScarletNumber

    sociologist Andrew Hacker noted tend to be the product of schoolgirl whimsy as teen mothers try to outcompete all their pregnant friends in creative naming
     
    I never thought of the correlation between single motherhood and creative naming among black people, but it makes sense. Out of curiosity I decided to look up the lineage of D'Brickashaw Ferguson. It turns out his parents were married, his father's name was Ed, and his brother's name is Edwin. His father is from the Bahamas. D'Brickashaw named his own sons Eden and Emery.

    So how did D'Brickashaw get his unique moniker? He was born in December 1983. In March 1983 The Thorn Birds was broadcast on ABC, and the Richard Chamberlain character was named Father Ralph de Bricassart.

    Replies: @Rusty Tailgate, @Known Fact, @Barnard

    Those are D’Brickashaw Fergusons daughters. De’Aaron Fox in the NBA also comes from a two parent family. His dad’s name is Aaron they must not have agreed on just using that name.

    • Thanks: ScarletNumber
  21. Fathers who get input to name their children probably lean against stupid made up names. Children with fathers who get imput to name their children are more likely to be actual fathers to their children, working to make their lives better and instill the discipline required to become a high-performing athlete.

  22. @Nathan
    The fact that your odds of making the NBA drop to 1 in 7 if you're over 7 feet tall shattered my view of Basketball as an athletic endeavor. It isn't. It's an anatomy contest.

    Replies: @MagyarUszo, @Dave Pinsen, @Ron Mexico

    Every physical sport is an anatomy contest at some level.

  23. @Anon7
    "...white basketball players in North America thrive best in remote regions where they don’t have to compete against too many blacks until they are more physically mature"

    Soon there will be no such place, of course. But a person can also get to "physically mature" by being, well, older:

    "Official statistics show that over half of asylum seekers whose age was checked after they claimed to be under 18 were found to be adults between Q2 2016 and Q2 2020. That is just under 1,600 out of 3,100 cases.

    Ahmed Hassan, the Parsons Green Tube bomber, was one of many adult migrants who lied about their age."

    https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2020/11/23/asylum-being-abused-claimants-caught-lying-about-age

    Replies: @Guest007

    The percentage of the population that is black is not growing in the U.S. The birthrate for African-Americans is below replacement. One should probably assume that being in a location with lots of Hispanics does help become a better basketball players.

  24. @pirelli
    “Blacks are over-represented in pro sports because sports are a way out of the ghetto” is an argument I remember hearing a lot from people who insisted there couldn’t be any race-based differences in athletic ability.

    The fact that black pro athletes tend to come from better-off-than-average black families would seem to undermine that theory.

    Another comical one was that East Africans are great distance runners because they grow up herding goats at high altitudes. Haile Gebreselassie went to private school… he didn’t grow up chasing goats. It always struck me that the “it has to be all nurture, no nature” arguments were often more condescending than the position that nature played a role.

    Replies: @Guest007

    Blacks are not overrepresented in sports but are just overrepresented in football (American version) and basketball. One may want to look at the recent NCAA women’s volleyball tournament.

  25. @Tiny Duck
    I think it is interesting that many Black People have white mothers. This trend is ever increasing.

    That tells you something right there.

    Replies: @Guest007, @TWS

    As the joke goes, a white woman can have a black child but a black woman cannot have a white child. That is why Steve likes to point out that the logic does not work that way in most countries.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Guest007

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/a-miracle-baby-the-black-couple-who-gave-birth-to-a-blond-blue-eyed-child/ar-AA1loQeG

    https://www.inspiremore.com/genetics-are-crazy-black-mom-explains-that-yes-she-did-give-birth-to-her-white-baby/

    https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-57897237

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/relationships/mom-gives-birth-to-black-and-white-twins-and-teaches-them-to-embrace-their-differences/ar-AA15oHTD

    https://metro.co.uk/2017/12/26/black-woman-asked-midwife-is-she-mine-after-giving-birth-to-white-baby-7185495/

    If you really ponder over why this happens... well... Don't, I'm warning you now...

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Guest007


    a black woman cannot have a white child
     
    One of the unstated long-running jokes of Louis CK's TV show is that his ex-wife is a light-skinned black woman, while their two daughters look Aryan. In the season 4 finale his girlfriend meets the ex-wife and the girlfriend is stunned. As soon as they are alone, she frankly asks Louis

    Did you see those little white babies come out of her juicy black pussy?
     
  26. @Mike Tre
    http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/249000/World-War-3-Russia-Nuclear-Bombers-US-Alaska-Vladimir-Putin-Intercept-Twice-24-Hours-Trump-912249.jpg

    Replies: @tyrone

    I do the same thing every time I watch Biden.

  27. I went to skoo with a Black kid named Gerald Ford while Ford was “our” Prez. I ain’t cutting the fool, no lie, this cat had the same name as the Prez. We be trippin’, yo.

  28. Anon[287] • Disclaimer says:

    OT

    Big Chetty investigative report over at the Chronicle of Higher Education, complete with anonymous sources:

    Does Raj Chetty Practice What He Preaches?
    https://www.chronicle.com/article/does-raj-chetty-practice-what-he-preaches

    Any efforts the lab made to specifically recruit Black pre-docs yielded no results until recently. By 2020, after nationwide protests sparked by a police officer’s murder of George Floyd, the lab still had never hired a Black pre- doc. Some staffers saw the situation as conflicting with the moral thrust of the lab’s research.

    It comes across like that anti unpaid internship movement of years past. Apparently diverse grad students don’t want to delay their PhDs by two years since they figure they’ll be hired as professors right out of school. Also, Chetty works his kids hard, and that’s just too stressful for the young’uns these days, especially the distaff and diverse among them. Finally, Chetty discriminates in favor of grads of elite, rigorous programs, aka smart kids.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    But what have Raj Chetty's pre-docs ever accomplished? I mean, other than coming up with astonishing social science analyses that had never seemed possible before.

  29. @Known Fact
    @ScarletNumber

    Thanks! It doesn't get much more white than Richard Chamberlain, except maybe Chad Everett and Sam Elliott. Great info, D'Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names since I saw him play once for Troy State. Former Saints cornerback D'Artagnan Martin is another good one, and his brother is named after another Musketeer.

    As far as b-ball, Purvis Short is probably my favorite blackish name. Granville Waiters was pretty classy sounding

    Replies: @njguy73, @Reg Cæsar, @Adolf Smith

    As far as b-ball, Purvis Short is probably my favorite blackish name. Granville Waiters was pretty classy sounding

    And then there was Fennis Dembo, all-WAC and third team All American at Wyoming.

    Dembo’s unusual first name came from a suggestion by an older sister, Zona. He and his twin sister Fenise were the 11th and 12th children in their family. Zona preferred that they be the last children in the family, and suggested they be named after finis, French for “finish”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennis_Dembo

  30. I’m short, and I never even made an effort at basketball, my sport was gymnastics. Muggsy Bogues would have been an astonishing gymnast!

  31. @Known Fact
    @ScarletNumber

    Thanks! It doesn't get much more white than Richard Chamberlain, except maybe Chad Everett and Sam Elliott. Great info, D'Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names since I saw him play once for Troy State. Former Saints cornerback D'Artagnan Martin is another good one, and his brother is named after another Musketeer.

    As far as b-ball, Purvis Short is probably my favorite blackish name. Granville Waiters was pretty classy sounding

    Replies: @njguy73, @Reg Cæsar, @Adolf Smith

    D’Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names

    The ultimate American sports name would be D’Brickashaw van Breda Kolff. Biletnikoff a close second.

    • Replies: @Russ
    @Reg Cæsar


    The ultimate American sports name would be D’Brickashaw van Breda Kolff. Biletnikoff a close second.
     
    From the Indy racing circuit: Will Power. (An Aussie, I believe.)

    I got to see Manute Bol play in person for the then-mediocre Warriors in Oakland around 1990. They put him in for a short spell in the second quarter. The 7'7" alone wasn't as noteworthy as that only 210-225 lbs was spread across it. It was as if a walking stick had learned from a grizzly bear how to perambulate on the hind limbs. He could have starred in a Save The Children commercial had he not been so freakishly tall. I don't recall if the 3pt shot existed in the NBA around 1990, but if it did, every one of his shots would have been from that range. Not once was he close to the paint, let alone the basket. But the applause for his short stint in the game was loud and sustained. Akin to watching an Animal Planet documentary come to life. Too bad that he died so young.
    , @Bill Jones
    @Reg Cæsar

    I recall seeing somewhere from one of the transient great-thinkers of the week of about 20 years ago, Gladwell perhaps, that one lucky individual had a name pronounced Sh'Teed that unfortunately was spelled shithead.
    I found the report plausible.

  32. Regarding maturation rates, Rushton and Jensen summarize some trait differences in Table 3 of this:
    https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

    That is short on details and the reference is:
    From Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective (p. 5), by J. P. Rushton, 2000
    Available here:
    https://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Race-Evolution-and-Behavior-ocr.pdf

    In that 399 page PDF this looks like the most relevant chapter.
    7. Speed of Maturation, Personality, and Social Organization

    Table 7.1 adds some more variables and has the reference:
    Adapted from Rushton (1992b, p. 814, Table 3).
    Contributions to the history of psychology: XC. Evolutionary biology and heritable traits (with reference to Oriental-white-black differences): The 1989 AAAS paper
    https://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/iq-race-brain-size-r-k-theory-sex-rushton-psychological-reports-12-1992.pdf

    The text of Chapter 7 looks like the best source of more detailed references.

  33. Elite basketball is basically at the level of tennis or soccer in Europe, wherein top players are scooped up by a handful of prestigious academies early on. The typical player at these academies, whether white or black, comes from a well to do family with one or both parents having been top level athletes themselves, and usually with an outlandishly strict father and home life.

    Steph Curry marrying his high school sweetheart that he met at Bible camp and giving all glory to God is much closer to the median NBA player than Ja Morant flashing guns and otherwise engaging in TNB—which, unlike in the NFL, is probably going to end up costing him his career.

    Whatever else you want to say about the sport or the league, they have done a remarkable job of cleaning up their image after their high profile early to mid-2000s scandals.

    • Replies: @Rick P
    @Patrick Gibbs

    The NBA does deserve credit for that. Most players are pretty clean cut now. 20 years ago the league was much more thuggish. They just need a few more white American stars.

  34. The children of pros thing is the future…my son plays 8th grade hoop with atleast 3 ex nba guys (Jerome williams,Marcus banks and Fred Jones) and against Jr riders kid as well as Matt Barnes twins…he does great as a shortish whitish kid but he’s exceptionally tenacious and strong…everyone holds their kid back in middle school…double hold backs not uncommon…travel hoop is very expensive but if your kids good it can be very cheap…he’s played for three ex nba guys and I’ve found them all to be great coaches!

  35. In other News, Californicators confront the retail theft epidemic.

    While videos of smash-and-grab robberies in California circulating on social media are attracting attention worldwide, lawmakers say finding solutions to stop the crimes is challenging.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/inaction-unacceptable-california-lawmakers-create-first-retail-theft-committee-amid

    This line is worth a laugh.

    A business in Sacramento was warned that if misdemeanor theft reports continued, the store would be cited with a public nuisance complaint,

    Newsom for Prez!

  36. “Have you ever noticed there’s not a lot of Chinese guys named Rusty?” -George Carlin

  37. @Known Fact
    @ScarletNumber

    Thanks! It doesn't get much more white than Richard Chamberlain, except maybe Chad Everett and Sam Elliott. Great info, D'Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names since I saw him play once for Troy State. Former Saints cornerback D'Artagnan Martin is another good one, and his brother is named after another Musketeer.

    As far as b-ball, Purvis Short is probably my favorite blackish name. Granville Waiters was pretty classy sounding

    Replies: @njguy73, @Reg Cæsar, @Adolf Smith

    You keep the name Chad Everett out yo fucking’ mouth!!

  38. Happy Birthday, Steve!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer

    Steven Ernest Sailer (born December 20, 1958)

    I even got The Ramones to sing ‘Happy Birthday’ to you.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    But on Twitter:

    Steve Sailer
    @Steve_Sailer
    My pronouns, like Stalin's, are Who vs. Whom.

    My anthology "Noticing" is on sale in hardback (lower price paperback coming): http://passage.press/store/p/noticing
    Americaunz.com/isteve Born December 4, 1958 Joined October 2010
    1,401 Following
    109.6K Followers

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

  39. Have a Kung Fu Christmas!!

    cheerio,

    d

  40. @Trinity
    "Marcus" is just as black as Tyrone or Leroy. An old school normal black male name before the crazy shit of the modern era. Yep, playing at forward, number 43, Marcus Washington. Back in the day seems Blacks had those old school Biblical names like Moses. How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @kaganovitch, @ScarletNumber, @Bill Jones

    How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    And, also, Prince, King, and Romeo. And, for girls, Princess and Queen.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @E. Rekshun

    Probably goes back to those Blaxploitation films and more recently those Black Panther movies. What happened to Calvin, Willie, Earl, etc.? Blacks have been brainwashed by Hollywood as well. I see Youtube ( probably way more popular than Hollywood) clips of the infamous Fleece Johnson and they are presenting this sexual predator as some kind of idol to be looked up to for Black youth. This freak claims he is trying to turn Blacks away from a lifestyle that will find them ending up as someone's "date" in prison but you can tell this freak loves reliving all his sick male on male rape fantasies whether real or just his bullshit. How sick is society when a freak like this is held up as someone to admire.

  41. You write good book reviews Steve.

    I’ve actually been working on a draft of a review of this very book. But I’ve never really written a book review, so it’s been taking a little while. But your book review covered most of what I wanted to cover in a breezy and easy-to-read way.

    • Replies: @B36
    @Jackson Jules

    I'm guessing there is already an AI engine that can reliably hide plagiarism. You feed it an article and it changes things up enough to escape detection. It would even render things in your "voice", usage, vocabulary.

    Replies: @res

  42. Anon[367] • Disclaimer says:

    OT: Nationwide swatting spree targeting nearly 200 Jewish institutions in a single weekend was a coordinated effort from group based outside of the US, FBI says.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12886369/swatting-Jewish-institutions-nationwide-FBI-Isreal-Hamas.html

    A few years ago, someone called in a bomb threat to a Jewish school in North Carolina. The perp turned out to be the Isreali son of a known Mossad employee. The son was later revealed to be a full adult and there was never any publicly known prosecution of him in Isreal.

    My gut level reaction? The Palestinians and their various Arab and Persian allies just are not smart enough to pull off a coordinated attack of 200 swatting attempts in the US at the same time. The Saudis import tens of thousands of white Westerners to do all their brain work for them, just for an example. The average IQ in the Mideast tests distinctly low.

    Isreal however, is alarmed at all the pro-Palestinean protests in the US, and is likely to be doing underhanded things to rally their own side. They also have some very smart people in their own country.

    If the FBI knows the attacks came from out of the country, the fact they’re not pointing a finger at a particular country is deeply suspicious, unless that country is an historical ally.

  43. @Trinity
    "Marcus" is just as black as Tyrone or Leroy. An old school normal black male name before the crazy shit of the modern era. Yep, playing at forward, number 43, Marcus Washington. Back in the day seems Blacks had those old school Biblical names like Moses. How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @kaganovitch, @ScarletNumber, @Bill Jones

    “Marcus” is just as black as Tyrone or Leroy. An old school normal black male name before the crazy shit of the modern era.

    Fwiw, less than half the (20) MLB players named ‘Marcus’ over the last 40 years have been Black. On the other hand, every ‘Tyrone’ (11) has been at least part Black including the great Juan Tyrone Eichelberger. Somewhat shockingly, of the 11 Leroys in MLB over the last 50 years, 10 have been White including Tim Lincecum and Roy (Doc)Halliday.

  44. One of the quarterbacks playing in the college football playoff is named Michael Penix Jr.

    Shades of the song “A boy named Sue”….you have to get pretty tough to get through high school with the name Penix. Or to survive the “meet the parents” interview…Mom, DAD, meet my new boyfriend, Mike Penix. (or is it the opposite?)

    • Replies: @Dmon
    @SafeNow

    Eric Holder has a couple of fairly cute daughters. Someone should work on getting them together. You could make nice beer money on eBay someday if you could score a giveaway from the Penix-Holder nuptials.

  45. Of course, the most important basketball metric is height. Or to be precise, it’s how high you can get your hand off a standing vertical jump

    This guy is great:

  46. @E. Rekshun
    @Trinity

    How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    And, also, Prince, King, and Romeo. And, for girls, Princess and Queen.

    Replies: @Trinity

    Probably goes back to those Blaxploitation films and more recently those Black Panther movies. What happened to Calvin, Willie, Earl, etc.? Blacks have been brainwashed by Hollywood as well. I see Youtube ( probably way more popular than Hollywood) clips of the infamous Fleece Johnson and they are presenting this sexual predator as some kind of idol to be looked up to for Black youth. This freak claims he is trying to turn Blacks away from a lifestyle that will find them ending up as someone’s “date” in prison but you can tell this freak loves reliving all his sick male on male rape fantasies whether real or just his bullshit. How sick is society when a freak like this is held up as someone to admire.

  47. @Guest007
    One of the quarterbacks playing in the college football playoff is named.
    Michael Penix Jr.

    Tell everyone a lot just from that. About the father: Michael Penix Sr. is a former football player who played as a running back at Pasco High School and later collegiately at Tennessee Tech. He also served as a football coach, counselor, and supervisor for troubled children at AMIKids.

    Sounds very much like the resume of a white dad whose kids play college sports: minor athlete in college and a coach.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber

    LOL Penix looks like it should be the plural of penis

    • Replies: @Truth
    @ScarletNumber

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6v_gmWRz38s

  48. @SafeNow

    One of the quarterbacks playing in the college football playoff is named Michael Penix Jr.
     
    Shades of the song “A boy named Sue”….you have to get pretty tough to get through high school with the name Penix. Or to survive the “meet the parents” interview…Mom, DAD, meet my new boyfriend, Mike Penix. (or is it the opposite?)

    Replies: @Dmon

    Eric Holder has a couple of fairly cute daughters. Someone should work on getting them together. You could make nice beer money on eBay someday if you could score a giveaway from the Penix-Holder nuptials.

  49. Shane Gillis on dearth of great White American basketball players:

  50. “Seth Stephens-Davidowitz”

    i swear these guys are obsessed with hoops. they can barely play, but they literally started the NBA, and own 50% of the teams.

    not sure what the obsession is, but it seems like a natural one, and for once, it wasn’t some cultural attack vector, since by their own rules, they didn’t let many africans play at first.

    forget Rashard Mendenhall. can anybody explain the jewish fascination with basketball?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @prime noticer

    Basketball is a city game that doesn't need big outdoor spaces to play.

    NYC was a college basketball hotbed in the 1930s-1940s. Madison Square Garden was the national showcase for college hoops. E.g., Stanford's Hank Luisetti played in MSG in 1936 and introduced the east coast to the running one handed shot -- not exactly the modern jump shot, but a great leap forward.

    But then CCNY (?) had a big point fixing scandal around 1950 and NYC college basketball fell backward, but basketball remained very popular in the northeastern cities, especially the NBA, with big time Jewish coaches like Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics. There was one Jewish superstar player in the 1950s, Dolph Schayes.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Adolf Smith, @Brutusale

  51. @prime noticer
    "Seth Stephens-Davidowitz"

    i swear these guys are obsessed with hoops. they can barely play, but they literally started the NBA, and own 50% of the teams.

    not sure what the obsession is, but it seems like a natural one, and for once, it wasn't some cultural attack vector, since by their own rules, they didn't let many africans play at first.

    forget Rashard Mendenhall. can anybody explain the jewish fascination with basketball?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Basketball is a city game that doesn’t need big outdoor spaces to play.

    NYC was a college basketball hotbed in the 1930s-1940s. Madison Square Garden was the national showcase for college hoops. E.g., Stanford’s Hank Luisetti played in MSG in 1936 and introduced the east coast to the running one handed shot — not exactly the modern jump shot, but a great leap forward.

    But then CCNY (?) had a big point fixing scandal around 1950 and NYC college basketball fell backward, but basketball remained very popular in the northeastern cities, especially the NBA, with big time Jewish coaches like Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics. There was one Jewish superstar player in the 1950s, Dolph Schayes.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, it is mostly CCNY, as they won both the NCAA and NIT championship in 1950, but other schools were involved to a minor degree. CCNY ended up dropping to what is now Division III, while LIU closed its entire athletic program until 1957. They are now Division I in the Northeast Conference, hardly a power.

    The NCAA was so spooked that they refused to have tournament games in New York City proper until 2014; in the interim they played East Regional games in New Jersey at the Meadowlands. The Meadowlands hosted 11 regional finals until closing, with Duke winning 5 of them. This was appropriate as Duke probably has more students from New Jersey at any particular time than it does from North Carolina, and Duke himself was from New Jersey, with the school being named after him in 1924.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    , @Adolf Smith
    @Steve Sailer

    Nah. That's what they said about blacks.

    Mike Royko once wrote a column
    On blacks and basketball, which was,in retrospect, dumb.
    He said they excel and obsess over BB because the equipment is cheap,(a ball and a hoop.) I long ago,( noticing) surmised that there's something about the game,the flow,the improvisation, something there that appeals to them. Whites are more linear. My fave player,bar none,is Larry Bird. He made an uninteresting game into a life and death drama.


    I wonder if there's something similar with jews,they are such a weird people. They can be such jocksniffers. Toward blacks,especially.theAnd they love Michael! I think black players are viewed as standins for the Jews,themselves.

    , @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    No love for the original?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Saperstein

  52. @Jackson Jules
    You write good book reviews Steve.

    I've actually been working on a draft of a review of this very book. But I've never really written a book review, so it's been taking a little while. But your book review covered most of what I wanted to cover in a breezy and easy-to-read way.

    Replies: @B36

    I’m guessing there is already an AI engine that can reliably hide plagiarism. You feed it an article and it changes things up enough to escape detection. It would even render things in your “voice”, usage, vocabulary.

    • Replies: @res
    @B36

    https://plagiarism-remover.com/

  53. I remember watching the draft of the first 10 players a few years back. They were almost all black but I looked them up while I was watching and all but 1 had fathers.

  54. @Reg Cæsar
    @Known Fact


    D’Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names
     
    The ultimate American sports name would be D'Brickashaw van Breda Kolff. Biletnikoff a close second.

    Replies: @Russ, @Bill Jones

    The ultimate American sports name would be D’Brickashaw van Breda Kolff. Biletnikoff a close second.

    From the Indy racing circuit: Will Power. (An Aussie, I believe.)

    I got to see Manute Bol play in person for the then-mediocre Warriors in Oakland around 1990. They put him in for a short spell in the second quarter. The 7’7″ alone wasn’t as noteworthy as that only 210-225 lbs was spread across it. It was as if a walking stick had learned from a grizzly bear how to perambulate on the hind limbs. He could have starred in a Save The Children commercial had he not been so freakishly tall. I don’t recall if the 3pt shot existed in the NBA around 1990, but if it did, every one of his shots would have been from that range. Not once was he close to the paint, let alone the basket. But the applause for his short stint in the game was loud and sustained. Akin to watching an Animal Planet documentary come to life. Too bad that he died so young.

  55. @JohnnyWalker123
    Happy Birthday, Steve!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Sailer

    Steven Ernest Sailer (born December 20, 1958)

     

    https://handletheheat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Best-Birthday-Cake-with-milk-chocolate-buttercream-SQUARE-1536x1536.jpg

    I even got The Ramones to sing 'Happy Birthday' to you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA0uFpJzNPA

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    But on Twitter:

    Steve Sailer
    @Steve_Sailer
    My pronouns, like Stalin’s, are Who vs. Whom.

    My anthology “Noticing” is on sale in hardback (lower price paperback coming): http://passage.press/store/p/noticing
    Americaunz.com/isteve Born December 4, 1958 Joined October 2010
    1,401 Following
    109.6K Followers

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    "D'oh!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkLUho5wLLY

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkLUho5wLLY

  56. @Anon
    OT

    Big Chetty investigative report over at the Chronicle of Higher Education, complete with anonymous sources:

    Does Raj Chetty Practice What He Preaches?
    https://www.chronicle.com/article/does-raj-chetty-practice-what-he-preaches


    Any efforts the lab made to specifically recruit Black pre-docs yielded no results until recently. By 2020, after nationwide protests sparked by a police officer’s murder of George Floyd, the lab still had never hired a Black pre- doc. Some staffers saw the situation as conflicting with the moral thrust of the lab’s research.
     
    It comes across like that anti unpaid internship movement of years past. Apparently diverse grad students don’t want to delay their PhDs by two years since they figure they’ll be hired as professors right out of school. Also, Chetty works his kids hard, and that’s just too stressful for the young’uns these days, especially the distaff and diverse among them. Finally, Chetty discriminates in favor of grads of elite, rigorous programs, aka smart kids.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    But what have Raj Chetty’s pre-docs ever accomplished? I mean, other than coming up with astonishing social science analyses that had never seemed possible before.

  57. @ScarletNumber
    @Guest007

    LOL Penix looks like it should be the plural of penis

    Replies: @Truth

  58. @Nathan
    The fact that your odds of making the NBA drop to 1 in 7 if you're over 7 feet tall shattered my view of Basketball as an athletic endeavor. It isn't. It's an anatomy contest.

    Replies: @MagyarUszo, @Dave Pinsen, @Ron Mexico

    It’s kind of a misleading stat that understates the skill and athleticism involved. The team that won the NBA championship last year, the Denver Nuggets, did so without a 7-footer on their roster; some 7-footers in the NBA are benchwarmers (like fan favorite Boban Marjanović, who plays maybe 7 minutes per game); and skilled, athletic 7-footers are pretty rare—off the top of my head, there’s Kristaps Porzingis, and the rookie phenom Victor Wembanyama.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Dave Pinsen

    Speaking of Wembanyama, here's a pic of him standing next to the NHL's top draft pick last year.

    https://twitter.com/fanaticsbook_pb/status/1737944004971663804?s=20

  59. @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHEOxVTUSm5S6TphebQevI9FDQC8NZvTsZqg&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist

    The most remarkable thing about Yao Ming to me is not his towering height — it’s the size of his head. Just compare it to Bogues’s head. I wonder if it weighs 50 pounds on its own . . . .

  60. @Trinity
    "Marcus" is just as black as Tyrone or Leroy. An old school normal black male name before the crazy shit of the modern era. Yep, playing at forward, number 43, Marcus Washington. Back in the day seems Blacks had those old school Biblical names like Moses. How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @kaganovitch, @ScarletNumber, @Bill Jones

    Isaiah Lord Thomas

    Legally he is Isiah Lord Thomas III, which means that not only did his great-grandparents have these delusions of grandeur, but they botched the spelling of his first name 🤣

  61. @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    But on Twitter:

    Steve Sailer
    @Steve_Sailer
    My pronouns, like Stalin's, are Who vs. Whom.

    My anthology "Noticing" is on sale in hardback (lower price paperback coming): http://passage.press/store/p/noticing
    Americaunz.com/isteve Born December 4, 1958 Joined October 2010
    1,401 Following
    109.6K Followers

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @JohnnyWalker123

    “D’oh!”

  62. @Guest007
    @Tiny Duck

    As the joke goes, a white woman can have a black child but a black woman cannot have a white child. That is why Steve likes to point out that the logic does not work that way in most countries.

    Replies: @Truth, @ScarletNumber

    a black woman cannot have a white child

    One of the unstated long-running jokes of Louis CK’s TV show is that his ex-wife is a light-skinned black woman, while their two daughters look Aryan. In the season 4 finale his girlfriend meets the ex-wife and the girlfriend is stunned. As soon as they are alone, she frankly asks Louis

    Did you see those little white babies come out of her juicy black pussy?

  63. @Steve Sailer
    @prime noticer

    Basketball is a city game that doesn't need big outdoor spaces to play.

    NYC was a college basketball hotbed in the 1930s-1940s. Madison Square Garden was the national showcase for college hoops. E.g., Stanford's Hank Luisetti played in MSG in 1936 and introduced the east coast to the running one handed shot -- not exactly the modern jump shot, but a great leap forward.

    But then CCNY (?) had a big point fixing scandal around 1950 and NYC college basketball fell backward, but basketball remained very popular in the northeastern cities, especially the NBA, with big time Jewish coaches like Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics. There was one Jewish superstar player in the 1950s, Dolph Schayes.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Adolf Smith, @Brutusale

    Yes, it is mostly CCNY, as they won both the NCAA and NIT championship in 1950, but other schools were involved to a minor degree. CCNY ended up dropping to what is now Division III, while LIU closed its entire athletic program until 1957. They are now Division I in the Northeast Conference, hardly a power.

    The NCAA was so spooked that they refused to have tournament games in New York City proper until 2014; in the interim they played East Regional games in New Jersey at the Meadowlands. The Meadowlands hosted 11 regional finals until closing, with Duke winning 5 of them. This was appropriate as Duke probably has more students from New Jersey at any particular time than it does from North Carolina, and Duke himself was from New Jersey, with the school being named after him in 1924.

    • Replies: @Ralph L
    @ScarletNumber

    Wikipedia: Washington Duke was born on December 18, 1820, in eastern Orange County, North Carolina, in what is today the township of Bahama in Durham County.

    Supposedly, there was some thought of moving Trinity College to Soupy Sales's hometown of Franklinton. My distant cousin, former mayor, claims Duke thought of moving American Tobacco there, too, but our local ancestors didn't want it.

  64. @Rusty Tailgate
    @ScarletNumber

    My brother talked about naming his kid D'Brickashaw and he really had our mom going for a while.

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Given your mom’s choice of names for her kids, who’s she to nit pick?
    D’Brickashaw Tailgate has a certain ring to it.

    • LOL: Rusty Tailgate
  65. @Trinity
    "Marcus" is just as black as Tyrone or Leroy. An old school normal black male name before the crazy shit of the modern era. Yep, playing at forward, number 43, Marcus Washington. Back in the day seems Blacks had those old school Biblical names like Moses. How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @kaganovitch, @ScarletNumber, @Bill Jones

    How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.

    Weren’t the names really a cargo cult practice?
    If we build it they will come morphs easily into if we name them they will be.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    @Bill Jones

    Well to be fair, how many Hispanics are named Jesus?
    Met a Mexican who claimed his name was Leroy. Haha. No joke, this guy was serious.

  66. @Steve Sailer
    @prime noticer

    Basketball is a city game that doesn't need big outdoor spaces to play.

    NYC was a college basketball hotbed in the 1930s-1940s. Madison Square Garden was the national showcase for college hoops. E.g., Stanford's Hank Luisetti played in MSG in 1936 and introduced the east coast to the running one handed shot -- not exactly the modern jump shot, but a great leap forward.

    But then CCNY (?) had a big point fixing scandal around 1950 and NYC college basketball fell backward, but basketball remained very popular in the northeastern cities, especially the NBA, with big time Jewish coaches like Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics. There was one Jewish superstar player in the 1950s, Dolph Schayes.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Adolf Smith, @Brutusale

    Nah. That’s what they said about blacks.

    Mike Royko once wrote a column
    On blacks and basketball, which was,in retrospect, dumb.
    He said they excel and obsess over BB because the equipment is cheap,(a ball and a hoop.) I long ago,( noticing) surmised that there’s something about the game,the flow,the improvisation, something there that appeals to them. Whites are more linear. My fave player,bar none,is Larry Bird. He made an uninteresting game into a life and death drama.

    I wonder if there’s something similar with jews,they are such a weird people. They can be such jocksniffers. Toward blacks,especially.theAnd they love Michael! I think black players are viewed as standins for the Jews,themselves.

  67. @Reg Cæsar
    @Known Fact


    D’Brick has always been one of my favorite sports names
     
    The ultimate American sports name would be D'Brickashaw van Breda Kolff. Biletnikoff a close second.

    Replies: @Russ, @Bill Jones

    I recall seeing somewhere from one of the transient great-thinkers of the week of about 20 years ago, Gladwell perhaps, that one lucky individual had a name pronounced Sh’Teed that unfortunately was spelled shithead.
    I found the report plausible.

  68. @Bill Jones
    @Trinity


    How about this one, Isaiah Lord Thomas. Holy moly, they had high hopes for this kid.
     
    Weren't the names really a cargo cult practice?
    If we build it they will come morphs easily into if we name them they will be.

    Replies: @Trinity

    Well to be fair, how many Hispanics are named Jesus?
    Met a Mexican who claimed his name was Leroy. Haha. No joke, this guy was serious.

  69. @ScarletNumber
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, it is mostly CCNY, as they won both the NCAA and NIT championship in 1950, but other schools were involved to a minor degree. CCNY ended up dropping to what is now Division III, while LIU closed its entire athletic program until 1957. They are now Division I in the Northeast Conference, hardly a power.

    The NCAA was so spooked that they refused to have tournament games in New York City proper until 2014; in the interim they played East Regional games in New Jersey at the Meadowlands. The Meadowlands hosted 11 regional finals until closing, with Duke winning 5 of them. This was appropriate as Duke probably has more students from New Jersey at any particular time than it does from North Carolina, and Duke himself was from New Jersey, with the school being named after him in 1924.

    Replies: @Ralph L

    Wikipedia: Washington Duke was born on December 18, 1820, in eastern Orange County, North Carolina, in what is today the township of Bahama in Durham County.

    Supposedly, there was some thought of moving Trinity College to Soupy Sales’s hometown of Franklinton. My distant cousin, former mayor, claims Duke thought of moving American Tobacco there, too, but our local ancestors didn’t want it.

  70. @Arclight
    We are now in an era in which a non-insignificant number of athletes are 2nd generation pros as well, and in some cases have mothers who were accomplished amateur athletes, so perhaps there is some civilizing influence going on there combined with shared interests that make these relationships work. I do find it interesting how LeBron James is the son of a teen mother but has stuck with his high school girlfriend (now wife) to raise his kids, but apparently she grew up with married parents and no doubt that influenced things. I suspect - but don't know for obvious reasons - that amongst wealthy black ex-athletes that there is a social pecking order between those like James that have adopted a more mainstream and respectable existence that gives them continued access to respectable/white society versus those that are essentially still hood people with money.

    I do agree with Steve's observation about the benefits of slower to physically develop white boys playing the game with fewer black competitors when young. I think it's pretty well established that blacks hit puberty earlier than whites, and as parent of kids that play a lot of basketball it appears to me that generally there is on average noticeable physical separation by the end of middle school. There's also the fact that a lot of young basketball talent ends up playing loads of AAU games in which physical ability is highlighted but there not as much game fundamentals, and the latter is where white kids can shine more if allowed to develop.

    Replies: @Ganderson

    “ There’s also the fact that a lot of young basketball talent ends up playing loads of AAU games in which physical ability is highlighted but there not as much game fundamentals, and the latter is where white kids can shine more if allowed to develop”

    I don’t know shit about basketball (and care even less), but the point about development makes sense. In hockey, which I do know something about there used to be (by the Canucks who controlled the sport for many years*) tremendous bias against American, and American college players, as compared to those going the Canadian Junior route. What began to become clear, and was even noticed by some as far back as the 70s, is that college players have more time to develop, and get more practice time, and are thus more ready for the next level. Part of it is age, but… A top 20 NCAA team these days would beat a Tier 1 Junior team most of the time.

    Also hockey players tend not to have names like Jonquavious…

    * Here in Bruins-land there’s lots of nostalgia for the Original Six (Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Boston and the New York Rangers).

    I prefer to think of the Original Six Era as “The Time When Americans (or any other Non-Canadians) were not allowed in the NHL.” Billy Cleary of Boston and Harvard University (no info as to whether he plagiarized anything) and John Mayasich of Eveleth, MN and the University of Minnesota were the stars of the 1960 Gold Medal-winning US Olympic team- neither even tried to go the NHL route, as it meant years of riding the busses, with very little chance of making the bigs.

    Original Six… Bah Humbug!

    • Replies: @Arclight
    @Ganderson

    It's not uncommon in youth basketball to see a kid on a team where he outshines everyone else and against weaker competition to generate highlight reel performances and recordings that get sent out to recruiters for HS or college. One of my kids played in a game in which the opposing team (who we knew) had a ringer show up for our matchup complete with tripods and multiple cameras. He then proceeded to score something like 50 of his team's 60 points and we never saw him again. It was a useless exercise for everyone on the court.

    , @Ian M.
    @Ganderson


    Part of it is age, but… A top 20 NCAA team these days would beat a Tier 1 Junior team most of the time.
     
    Right, the college team has an older average age so I don't know how much a head-to-head matchup would tell us. I don't think you can be older than 20 to play Tier 1 Junior, while the average age of an NCAA team is probably around 22 (they don't usually go straight to college hockey out of high school, but will play junior hockey first).

    The best North American NHL players still come out of Tier 1 Juniors, no?

    Replies: @Ganderson

  71. @Tiny Duck
    I think it is interesting that many Black People have white mothers. This trend is ever increasing.

    That tells you something right there.

    Replies: @Guest007, @TWS

    Blacks will stick it in anything that moves, and if it doesn’t move they’ll shake it. That’s your lesson right there.

  72. @Steve Sailer
    @JohnnyWalker123

    But on Twitter:

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    @Steve_Sailer
    My pronouns, like Stalin's, are Who vs. Whom.

    My anthology "Noticing" is on sale in hardback (lower price paperback coming): http://passage.press/store/p/noticing
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  73. That’s because the players who make it to the NBA and stay for a solid career tend to come from above-average family backgrounds

    A tweet by i/o discusses a similar pattern among black admissions to top universities. Sometimes people are shouted down and called racist for suggesting that universities should apply affirmative action not only for race but also for class. The vehemence of the objection is not simply because black activists do not want to share their AA advantages with lower-class whites: it is because higher-class blacks have captured most of the AA benefits that were intended to uplift underprivileged blacks, and it is not in their class interests for anybody to notice.

    In our elite institutions, black privilege and affirmative action are inseparable.

    What kind of blacks end up at Harvard (as either student or administrator)?

    Answer: Intellectually-underqualified blacks from upper-middle class (or wealthier) backgrounds who obtain entry due to the lavish racial preferences of the Harvard admissions office.

    How did this happen?

    [MORE]

    According to The Economist, 71% of black and Hispanic undergrad students at Harvard come from wealthy backgrounds, and, extrapolating from the admission data made available in the Asian-American lawsuit, only about 1 in 20 of black undergrad applicants who were accepted would have been accepted if academic merit alone had been the only criterion.

    So it’s this marriage of privilege and comparative mediocrity (embodied perhaps most perfectly in the person of Claudine Gay) that defines much of the black presence at Harvard.

    But it wasn’t really this way until the 80s. The school started out with the noble idea of finding smart black kids from underprivileged backgrounds and bringing them to Harvard. In other words, its first efforts at affirmative action had a true social justice component: These were kids who were actually disadvantaged, not the privileged whiny progeny of black social elites (many of whom aren’t even American).

    But there was a problem with this approach, as Heather Mac Donald and others have described, which Harvard later desperately tried to cover up: These disadvantaged kids too often behaved according to the most brutal racial stereotypes (especially those about criminality) associated with disadvantaged black kids, and Harvard eventually transitioned to its current approach of admitting blacks with whom it could be more socially and culturally comfortable.

    https://twitter.com/eyeslasho/status/1737583066682466448

  74. @Patrick Gibbs
    Elite basketball is basically at the level of tennis or soccer in Europe, wherein top players are scooped up by a handful of prestigious academies early on. The typical player at these academies, whether white or black, comes from a well to do family with one or both parents having been top level athletes themselves, and usually with an outlandishly strict father and home life.

    Steph Curry marrying his high school sweetheart that he met at Bible camp and giving all glory to God is much closer to the median NBA player than Ja Morant flashing guns and otherwise engaging in TNB—which, unlike in the NFL, is probably going to end up costing him his career.

    Whatever else you want to say about the sport or the league, they have done a remarkable job of cleaning up their image after their high profile early to mid-2000s scandals.

    Replies: @Rick P

    The NBA does deserve credit for that. Most players are pretty clean cut now. 20 years ago the league was much more thuggish. They just need a few more white American stars.

  75. @Ganderson
    @Arclight

    “ There’s also the fact that a lot of young basketball talent ends up playing loads of AAU games in which physical ability is highlighted but there not as much game fundamentals, and the latter is where white kids can shine more if allowed to develop”

    I don’t know shit about basketball (and care even less), but the point about development makes sense. In hockey, which I do know something about there used to be (by the Canucks who controlled the sport for many years*) tremendous bias against American, and American college players, as compared to those going the Canadian Junior route. What began to become clear, and was even noticed by some as far back as the 70s, is that college players have more time to develop, and get more practice time, and are thus more ready for the next level. Part of it is age, but… A top 20 NCAA team these days would beat a Tier 1 Junior team most of the time.

    Also hockey players tend not to have names like Jonquavious…

    * Here in Bruins-land there’s lots of nostalgia for the Original Six (Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Boston and the New York Rangers).

    I prefer to think of the Original Six Era as “The Time When Americans (or any other Non-Canadians) were not allowed in the NHL.” Billy Cleary of Boston and Harvard University (no info as to whether he plagiarized anything) and John Mayasich of Eveleth, MN and the University of Minnesota were the stars of the 1960 Gold Medal-winning US Olympic team- neither even tried to go the NHL route, as it meant years of riding the busses, with very little chance of making the bigs.

    Original Six… Bah Humbug!

    Replies: @Arclight, @Ian M.

    It’s not uncommon in youth basketball to see a kid on a team where he outshines everyone else and against weaker competition to generate highlight reel performances and recordings that get sent out to recruiters for HS or college. One of my kids played in a game in which the opposing team (who we knew) had a ringer show up for our matchup complete with tripods and multiple cameras. He then proceeded to score something like 50 of his team’s 60 points and we never saw him again. It was a useless exercise for everyone on the court.

  76. @Ganderson
    @Arclight

    “ There’s also the fact that a lot of young basketball talent ends up playing loads of AAU games in which physical ability is highlighted but there not as much game fundamentals, and the latter is where white kids can shine more if allowed to develop”

    I don’t know shit about basketball (and care even less), but the point about development makes sense. In hockey, which I do know something about there used to be (by the Canucks who controlled the sport for many years*) tremendous bias against American, and American college players, as compared to those going the Canadian Junior route. What began to become clear, and was even noticed by some as far back as the 70s, is that college players have more time to develop, and get more practice time, and are thus more ready for the next level. Part of it is age, but… A top 20 NCAA team these days would beat a Tier 1 Junior team most of the time.

    Also hockey players tend not to have names like Jonquavious…

    * Here in Bruins-land there’s lots of nostalgia for the Original Six (Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Boston and the New York Rangers).

    I prefer to think of the Original Six Era as “The Time When Americans (or any other Non-Canadians) were not allowed in the NHL.” Billy Cleary of Boston and Harvard University (no info as to whether he plagiarized anything) and John Mayasich of Eveleth, MN and the University of Minnesota were the stars of the 1960 Gold Medal-winning US Olympic team- neither even tried to go the NHL route, as it meant years of riding the busses, with very little chance of making the bigs.

    Original Six… Bah Humbug!

    Replies: @Arclight, @Ian M.

    Part of it is age, but… A top 20 NCAA team these days would beat a Tier 1 Junior team most of the time.

    Right, the college team has an older average age so I don’t know how much a head-to-head matchup would tell us. I don’t think you can be older than 20 to play Tier 1 Junior, while the average age of an NCAA team is probably around 22 (they don’t usually go straight to college hockey out of high school, but will play junior hockey first).

    The best North American NHL players still come out of Tier 1 Juniors, no?

    • Replies: @Ganderson
    @Ian M.

    Admittedly as a native Minnesotan I have a chip on my shoulder about Canadian hockey, and even though I’m retired, I’m too lazy to construct a proper study of the issue, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that all the best players come out of the juniors- Cale Makar (who’s Canadian, BTW) and Adam Fox, who may be the two best defensemen playing today were college players ( Makar won the Hobey Baker) the 50 or so Hughes brothers that are currently in the bigs are mostly if not all college players. I had a conversation with Makar’s dad about why his sons chose the college route (Cale’s little brother Taylor is currently at UMASS)- one of the things was in a good program like Massachusetts players get more practice and thus more development time. Obviously a 22 year old NCAA player is bound to be more physically developed than a 20 year old junior, but a big part of the difference is practice time. In addition increasing numbers of real foreigners , Swedes, Czechs, Russkies, etc, are playing North American college hockey.

    Mind you, I’m not saying that good players don’t come out of Juniors, but rather pointing out the number of great players that played in college. And, the old Canadian prejudice against Americans has largely faded away among the decision makers in the NHL- not many Randy Carlyle’s floating around these days.(Spittin’ Chicklets Ryan Whitney observed that when he played for Carlyle, Randy hated American players, American d-men,, and American college players- Whitney was triple screwed!)

  77. @Dave Pinsen
    @Nathan

    It’s kind of a misleading stat that understates the skill and athleticism involved. The team that won the NBA championship last year, the Denver Nuggets, did so without a 7-footer on their roster; some 7-footers in the NBA are benchwarmers (like fan favorite Boban Marjanović, who plays maybe 7 minutes per game); and skilled, athletic 7-footers are pretty rare—off the top of my head, there’s Kristaps Porzingis, and the rookie phenom Victor Wembanyama.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    Speaking of Wembanyama, here’s a pic of him standing next to the NHL’s top draft pick last year.

  78. @Ian M.
    @Ganderson


    Part of it is age, but… A top 20 NCAA team these days would beat a Tier 1 Junior team most of the time.
     
    Right, the college team has an older average age so I don't know how much a head-to-head matchup would tell us. I don't think you can be older than 20 to play Tier 1 Junior, while the average age of an NCAA team is probably around 22 (they don't usually go straight to college hockey out of high school, but will play junior hockey first).

    The best North American NHL players still come out of Tier 1 Juniors, no?

    Replies: @Ganderson

    Admittedly as a native Minnesotan I have a chip on my shoulder about Canadian hockey, and even though I’m retired, I’m too lazy to construct a proper study of the issue, but I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that all the best players come out of the juniors- Cale Makar (who’s Canadian, BTW) and Adam Fox, who may be the two best defensemen playing today were college players ( Makar won the Hobey Baker) the 50 or so Hughes brothers that are currently in the bigs are mostly if not all college players. I had a conversation with Makar’s dad about why his sons chose the college route (Cale’s little brother Taylor is currently at UMASS)- one of the things was in a good program like Massachusetts players get more practice and thus more development time. Obviously a 22 year old NCAA player is bound to be more physically developed than a 20 year old junior, but a big part of the difference is practice time. In addition increasing numbers of real foreigners , Swedes, Czechs, Russkies, etc, are playing North American college hockey.

    Mind you, I’m not saying that good players don’t come out of Juniors, but rather pointing out the number of great players that played in college. And, the old Canadian prejudice against Americans has largely faded away among the decision makers in the NHL- not many Randy Carlyle’s floating around these days.(Spittin’ Chicklets Ryan Whitney observed that when he played for Carlyle, Randy hated American players, American d-men,, and American college players- Whitney was triple screwed!)

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @prime noticer

    Basketball is a city game that doesn't need big outdoor spaces to play.

    NYC was a college basketball hotbed in the 1930s-1940s. Madison Square Garden was the national showcase for college hoops. E.g., Stanford's Hank Luisetti played in MSG in 1936 and introduced the east coast to the running one handed shot -- not exactly the modern jump shot, but a great leap forward.

    But then CCNY (?) had a big point fixing scandal around 1950 and NYC college basketball fell backward, but basketball remained very popular in the northeastern cities, especially the NBA, with big time Jewish coaches like Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics. There was one Jewish superstar player in the 1950s, Dolph Schayes.

    Replies: @ScarletNumber, @Adolf Smith, @Brutusale

  80. @B36
    @Jackson Jules

    I'm guessing there is already an AI engine that can reliably hide plagiarism. You feed it an article and it changes things up enough to escape detection. It would even render things in your "voice", usage, vocabulary.

    Replies: @res

  81. @Nathan
    The fact that your odds of making the NBA drop to 1 in 7 if you're over 7 feet tall shattered my view of Basketball as an athletic endeavor. It isn't. It's an anatomy contest.

    Replies: @MagyarUszo, @Dave Pinsen, @Ron Mexico

    You never played for Paul Westhead, then. He came down and shared his system with our high school staff while he was at Loyola Marymount. The conditioning was murder, and the 6’8″ to 7’ers struggled with it, but we made back to back CIF title games, won one, played in major tourneys in DC, Arkansas, Vegas, and Phoenix, and did it with mostly white dudes. Not an athletic endeavor, huh?

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