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From Reason:

Mandated Diversity Statement Drives Jonathan Haidt To Quit Academic Society

Prominent social psychologist and NYU professor calls the requirement “explicitly ideological.”
J.D. TUCCILLE | 9.30.2022 7:00 AM

It was probably inevitable that Jonathan Haidt, an academic long concerned about the politicization of academia, would eventually be caught up in the displacement of intellectual inquiry by ideological rigidity.

Last week the New York University (NYU) psychology professor announced that he would resign at the end of the year from the Society for Personality and Social Psychology, his primary professional association, because of a newly adopted requirement that everybody presenting research at the group’s conferences explain how their submission advances “equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals.” …

As the scientific evidence piles up that the dogmas of the Great Awokening are based on a pack of lies, a push is building to ban the dissemination of research that doesn’t deliver politically correct results.

… “The Society for Personality and Social Psychology (SPSP)—recently asked me to violate my quasi-fiduciary duty to the truth,” he added. “I was going to attend the annual conference in Atlanta next February to present some research with colleagues on a new and improved version of the Moral Foundations Questionnaire. I was surprised to learn about a new rule: In order to present research at the conference, all social psychologists are now required to submit a statement explaining ‘whether and how this submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP.'”

Such diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) statements have proliferated at universities and in academic societies, he notes, even though “most academic work has nothing to do with diversity, so these mandatory statements force many academics to betray their quasi-fiduciary duty to the truth by spinning, twisting, or otherwise inventing some tenuous connection to diversity.”

But the SPSP requirement went a step further, dropping “diversity” in favor of “anti-racism,” a term frequently associated with Boston University’s Ibram X. Kendi, author of How to Be an Antiracist and other works. Among the book’s passages is a widely shared one highlighted by Haidt:

“The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

That’s an “explicitly ideological” interpretation of social interactions, Haidt objects, along with prescribed remedies to which he has moral and professional objections. He believes individual members of SPSP should be free to adopt the sentiment themselves, but adherence shouldn’t be compelled.

“So I’m going to resign from SPSP at the end of this year, when my membership dues run out, if the policy on mandatory statements stays in place for future conventions,” he concludes.

 
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  1. the Society for Personality and Social Psychology

    Now who could have guessed that an organization with a name like that would have collective shyt.4.brainz?

    Before you respond, please explain in detail how your response will advance equity, inclusion , and anti-racism goals.

    “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

    Discrimination today, discrimination tomorrow, discrimination forever!

    • Thanks: Charon
    • Replies: @SMK
    @HammerJack

    Discrimination in favor of blacks and against whites, especially white males, "affirmative action," quotas, double standards, "set-asides," the systemic coddling of violent and/or recidivist black criminals, "anti-racist" censorship, propaganda, and indoctrination in the media and public and private education -all this has been enacted by the left since the mid-1960s and imposed, fanatically and with a vengeance, for over half a century with the goal of attaining "equality" and "equity" for blacks and eradicating all forms of "racism" and "discrimination" against negroes.

    And statistical "equity" and parity between whites and blacks as groups in wealth and poverty, education, crime rates, criminal "justice," etc., still hasn't come close to being realized, putatively because of the mythical evils of "systemic racism" and "discrimination" against blacks as opposed to the immutable realities of low-average negro intelligence, higher levels of testosterone, and a pernicious inner-city ghetto culture that engenders crime and violence and other pathologies.

    And blacks like Kendi and white leftists want to intensify and exacerbate all of these laws and policies and trends and pathologies, they want more "anti-racist" censorship, propaganda, indoctrination, and discrimination against whites and in favor of blacks and other minorities, until the state and culture of the US is transformed, irreversibly, into a hellish totalitarian dystopia.

  2. Who was it again who referred to the US as “the empire of lies”. Why do we make it so easy for him?

    • LOL: Father Coughlin
  3. Mandated Diversity Statement Drives Jonathan Haidt To Quit Academic Society

    Jonathan Chait was unavailable for comment.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
    @Reg Cæsar

    There is no place here for Haidt.

  4. “The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

    ie, it’s not bigotry when WE do it.

    Got it.

    • Replies: @James Speaks
    @Franz


    ie, it’s not bigotry when WE do it.

    Got it.
     
    The gibs cargo cult is congenitally incapable of abstract thought. During the Civil rights (Civil Disintegration) era, they learned not that racism is where one group, in this case white, discriminated against another group, in this case black, but that white behavior towrds blacks was racist. This is why they do not (cannot) understand that they are now the racist oppressors
  5. ALL HAIL DINDU X. BUGMAN AS YOUR NEW GOD!

    (Sweet Meteor of Death hear my prayers……)

  6. OK. Good. … but notice that we are reduced to having to swallow everything until one jew stands up to all the other Jews. But even then, he’s arguing basically, “It’s not necessary to push the goyim this far, and it could backfire”.

  7. I was surprised to learn about a new rule: In order to present research at the conference, all social psychologists are now required to submit a statement explaining ‘whether and how this submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP.’”

    Well, to be fair, the groupthinkers are technically only asking for a statement “whether . . .” submitted research supports wokeist ideology (and, if so, how). Chait could have answered, “Hell no, it discloses the truth and is therefore anti-woke.” And he would still have been in compliance. I think that would have been a more fun way to protest.

    But resigning is better for publicity. And I like how it implicitly points out that everyone in academia who signs these wokeism loyalty oathes is outing themselves as either: (a) a true believing woke ideologue; or (b) a cowardly cuck. Either way, they have no credibility going forward.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Hypnotoad666

    Agreed. The required statement could be: "This submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP not at all; it is not intended to."

    , @IHTG
    @Hypnotoad666

    Haidt. Chait is a different guy.

    , @Dr. Krieger
    @Hypnotoad666

    What do you mean "going forward"?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

  8. Separation. It’s what’s for dinner.

    Haidt–my quick take–isn’t a conservative, but more an old time Jewish liberal, who now finds himself more of a centrist because of the nuttery and totalitarianism, particularly in academic social science. But the obvious thing is to have alternative–i.e. separate–organizations, that are non-“woke”.

    Conservatives need to do this generally. A complete separate set of institutions. Harder ones are things like airlines and retail (inc. Amazon) where there are considerable effects of scale and network effects. But pushing forward on separate media, education–including academic orgs–are essential. Then moving on to banking and the like.

    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.
     
    Focus on stopping immigration. If it continues, even your little nationalist communities will eventually be swamped one way or another. Merely outvoted, if they are lucky.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @SFG
    @AnotherDad

    He started out as a liberal and became more conservative, according to him, after studying and living in other cultures (India I think). He was the one behind the moral foundations theory that liberals only care about Justice and care and conservatives believe in dignity, loyalty, and authority as well. His moral foundations book is actually pretty sympathetic to conservatives. I don’t know how well it holds up under COVID, though-one of his major arguments was that conservatives have stronger disgust reflexes and should be more afraid of disease, and we saw the opposite.

    I agree with you, he’s one of those ‘enough already!’ types like Steven Pinker, Scott Alexander, or Jonathan Rauch.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Barnard

    , @Renard
    @AnotherDad


    Separation. It’s what’s for dinner.
     
    Someone (you?) needs to get started on working out the details of an apartheid scheme which would actually be practical and defensible. So far I'm really not seeing how it could happen, even if it might make for more and better peace in this country.

    I say this because the other proposal (regional secession) seems quite impossible. Sorry to say but at the current time what seems more likely than either is South Africa after apartheid.

    You and yours will be second class citizens forever, or worse. Most likely worse, much worse.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    , @anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    A new country founded between 100th and 120th merdian west with ocean access through southern Oregon would give white Christian people the hope of a new start. If Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico were left out there would only be one liberal metro area (Denver). The 80% white Christian country would be able to deal with having one liberal city. The military bases would be leased to the US. The national debt would be divided by number of people who depart. The key is the promise of a new America with a 80% white Christian population and preserving the old America.

  9. Is Haidt someone whose own statements, research interests, findings, and publications are biased by Holocaust Prevention?

    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Anon

    I've studied Haidt quite a bit. He's an old-fashioned liberal who has come to believe that conservatives are not stupid and evil. His Moral Foundations Theory is quite interesting, although still a work in progress in my view.

    Take a look at his The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, which provides uniquely charitable descriptions of American liberalism, conservatism, and libertarianism. Also, with Lukianoff of FIRE, his The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure.

    Years ago he founded the organization, Heterodox Academy, which is the strongest (but not strong enough!) force opposing the abandonment of free inquiry in the universities. https://heterodoxacademy.org/ There is a lot of useful material there for those who are resisting woke totalitarianism.

  10. Anon[715] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    Separation. It's what's for dinner.

    Haidt--my quick take--isn't a conservative, but more an old time Jewish liberal, who now finds himself more of a centrist because of the nuttery and totalitarianism, particularly in academic social science. But the obvious thing is to have alternative--i.e. separate--organizations, that are non-"woke".

    Conservatives need to do this generally. A complete separate set of institutions. Harder ones are things like airlines and retail (inc. Amazon) where there are considerable effects of scale and network effects. But pushing forward on separate media, education--including academic orgs--are essential. Then moving on to banking and the like.

    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Renard, @anonymous

    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.

    Focus on stopping immigration. If it continues, even your little nationalist communities will eventually be swamped one way or another. Merely outvoted, if they are lucky.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Anon


    Focus on stopping immigration. If it continues, even your little nationalist communities will eventually be swamped one way or another. Merely outvoted, if they are lucky.
     
    Agree. And I've been pretty clear on this.

    Immigration halt is job #1.

    Nothing else is within orders of magnitude, because if you do not stop the immivasion, then none of the other elements of Western civilization you wish to preserve can be saved.

    But that doesn't mean you don't move and try and make progress on all the other stuff--our culture, our fertility, eugenic fertility, education, educational choice, law+order, conservative community, etc. etc. All these things reinforce each other.

    Haidt and like minded academics building a social-psych counter-org would be goodness. It's a tiny, tiny thing, in the big scheme but part of building back sanity.
  11. This is visually striking. “DZA” is Algeria.

    • Thanks: Polistra
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    And 10-30% of the population in the blue part happen to be migrants from various more exciting parts of the world.

  12. @Hypnotoad666

    I was surprised to learn about a new rule: In order to present research at the conference, all social psychologists are now required to submit a statement explaining ‘whether and how this submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP.'”
     
    Well, to be fair, the groupthinkers are technically only asking for a statement "whether . . ." submitted research supports wokeist ideology (and, if so, how). Chait could have answered, "Hell no, it discloses the truth and is therefore anti-woke." And he would still have been in compliance. I think that would have been a more fun way to protest.

    But resigning is better for publicity. And I like how it implicitly points out that everyone in academia who signs these wokeism loyalty oathes is outing themselves as either: (a) a true believing woke ideologue; or (b) a cowardly cuck. Either way, they have no credibility going forward.

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @IHTG, @Dr. Krieger

    Agreed. The required statement could be: “This submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP not at all; it is not intended to.”

  13. Coming soon – struggle sessions for your nurses and doctors:

    ‘Implicit Bias’ Training Cost Me My Nursing Job

    https://archive.ph/rjC0z

    Maybe they could just fire any medical personnel who wear glasses.

    • Thanks: Gandydancer
    • Replies: @Kim
    @Mr. Anon

    A reference to the Khmer Rouge, for those unfamiliar.

    , @West reanimator
    @Mr. Anon

    Where's that idiot guest007 to tell us how medicine is totally above these ideological purity tests?

  14. The Society for Personality…

    • Replies: @njguy73
    @Reg Cæsar

    I think this. It was a minor novelty hit in 1995. NSFW.

    https://youtu.be/WEsNHlkEkXk

  15. @Hypnotoad666

    I was surprised to learn about a new rule: In order to present research at the conference, all social psychologists are now required to submit a statement explaining ‘whether and how this submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP.'”
     
    Well, to be fair, the groupthinkers are technically only asking for a statement "whether . . ." submitted research supports wokeist ideology (and, if so, how). Chait could have answered, "Hell no, it discloses the truth and is therefore anti-woke." And he would still have been in compliance. I think that would have been a more fun way to protest.

    But resigning is better for publicity. And I like how it implicitly points out that everyone in academia who signs these wokeism loyalty oathes is outing themselves as either: (a) a true believing woke ideologue; or (b) a cowardly cuck. Either way, they have no credibility going forward.

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @IHTG, @Dr. Krieger

    Haidt. Chait is a different guy.

  16. @Franz

    “The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”
     
    ie, it's not bigotry when WE do it.

    Got it.

    Replies: @James Speaks

    ie, it’s not bigotry when WE do it.

    Got it.

    The gibs cargo cult is congenitally incapable of abstract thought. During the Civil rights (Civil Disintegration) era, they learned not that racism is where one group, in this case white, discriminated against another group, in this case black, but that white behavior towrds blacks was racist. This is why they do not (cannot) understand that they are now the racist oppressors

    • Agree: AndrewR, Franz
  17. @Mr. Anon
    Coming soon - struggle sessions for your nurses and doctors:

    ‘Implicit Bias’ Training Cost Me My Nursing Job

    https://archive.ph/rjC0z
     
    Maybe they could just fire any medical personnel who wear glasses.

    Replies: @Kim, @West reanimator

    A reference to the Khmer Rouge, for those unfamiliar.

    • Thanks: Gandydancer
  18. A bit ironic that, due to the clear evidence for human biodiversity in cognitive ability, mainstream psychology has gone insane.

    The mainstream academic organizations in a whole range of fields (even distant fields like math and physics) cannot face the horrible truth of a race-IQ link; it is just not digestible by them. Anyone who suggests a moment’s thoughtful pause for sanity is branded a hateful racist, since thoughtful reflection implicitly acknowledges the awful truth staring everyone in the face.

  19. @Reg Cæsar
    This is visually striking. "DZA" is Algeria.


    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/world-population-at-8-billion.jpg

    Replies: @Anon

    And 10-30% of the population in the blue part happen to be migrants from various more exciting parts of the world.

  20. @AnotherDad
    Separation. It's what's for dinner.

    Haidt--my quick take--isn't a conservative, but more an old time Jewish liberal, who now finds himself more of a centrist because of the nuttery and totalitarianism, particularly in academic social science. But the obvious thing is to have alternative--i.e. separate--organizations, that are non-"woke".

    Conservatives need to do this generally. A complete separate set of institutions. Harder ones are things like airlines and retail (inc. Amazon) where there are considerable effects of scale and network effects. But pushing forward on separate media, education--including academic orgs--are essential. Then moving on to banking and the like.

    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Renard, @anonymous

    He started out as a liberal and became more conservative, according to him, after studying and living in other cultures (India I think). He was the one behind the moral foundations theory that liberals only care about Justice and care and conservatives believe in dignity, loyalty, and authority as well. His moral foundations book is actually pretty sympathetic to conservatives. I don’t know how well it holds up under COVID, though-one of his major arguments was that conservatives have stronger disgust reflexes and should be more afraid of disease, and we saw the opposite.

    I agree with you, he’s one of those ‘enough already!’ types like Steven Pinker, Scott Alexander, or Jonathan Rauch.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @SFG

    What do you think of this "disgust reflex" idea? I admit, I've only seen it referenced, never discussed. My suspicion has always been that it's baloney.

    But, yeah, I just killed a bug on my floor and I didn't like anything about it: the bug, it's presence on my floor, the squishing. But I did it because I don't want to live with bugs that will happily take over some aspect of my house if they can (fleas, lice, roaches, moths, all have no mercy and no endpoint).

    Was that my disgust reflex working correctly, or was it part of my political identity?

    Next time I exercise some aspect of personal hygiene I'll examine my motives carefully and see if it's partly my desire to vote for Republicans.

    Replies: @SFG, @bomag

    , @Barnard
    @SFG

    The intellectual dark web crowd is not conservative in any way, we just have a common enemy with them. We should never view them as allies in more than a situational way, they wouldn't lift a finger to defend anyone to their right if the left tried to cancel them.

  21. All Presentations at Our Annual Meeting Must Uphold Ibram X. Kendi Thought

    With predictable consequences: Cultural Impoverishment and Societal Collapse.

    Actually, to be more precise, Continued Cultural Impoverishment and Societal Collapse. Since the process is already well underway, and has been for some time.

    In fact, in 1971, in a speech given in NYC in front of a group of business, government and university big wigs, the great cultural historian Morse Peckham said, in so many words, that the university was finished. Jaques Barzun waited a little longer, 1980, to come to the same conclusion. That’s over 50 and 40 years ago, respectively. Who today could possibly deny that they were right? Either way, the university is finished.

  22. This stuff is – or more specifically, what the wokesters want is – literally just modern day Lysenkoism.

    Disregard for truth and accuracy in favor of “science” that is conformed to match ideology.

    • Agree: Richard B
  23. @Reg Cæsar

    The Society for Personality...
     
    https://youtu.be/gMTPsumjfTA


    https://youtu.be/jm6F7gZCYcw

    Replies: @njguy73

    I think this. It was a minor novelty hit in 1995. NSFW.

  24. The professional associations and higher ed administrator are doing their part to discredit intellectual life generally. It’s time to stop subsidizing them and it’s time for state legislatures to start taking their toys away from them. In these matters, as in others, Republican state legislators have been otiose.

    • Agree: Alden
  25. stillCARealist [AKA "ForeverCARealist"] says:
    @SFG
    @AnotherDad

    He started out as a liberal and became more conservative, according to him, after studying and living in other cultures (India I think). He was the one behind the moral foundations theory that liberals only care about Justice and care and conservatives believe in dignity, loyalty, and authority as well. His moral foundations book is actually pretty sympathetic to conservatives. I don’t know how well it holds up under COVID, though-one of his major arguments was that conservatives have stronger disgust reflexes and should be more afraid of disease, and we saw the opposite.

    I agree with you, he’s one of those ‘enough already!’ types like Steven Pinker, Scott Alexander, or Jonathan Rauch.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Barnard

    What do you think of this “disgust reflex” idea? I admit, I’ve only seen it referenced, never discussed. My suspicion has always been that it’s baloney.

    But, yeah, I just killed a bug on my floor and I didn’t like anything about it: the bug, it’s presence on my floor, the squishing. But I did it because I don’t want to live with bugs that will happily take over some aspect of my house if they can (fleas, lice, roaches, moths, all have no mercy and no endpoint).

    Was that my disgust reflex working correctly, or was it part of my political identity?

    Next time I exercise some aspect of personal hygiene I’ll examine my motives carefully and see if it’s partly my desire to vote for Republicans.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @stillCARealist

    I think it was supposed to be applicable to people getting disgusted by stuff like gay sex. There was some study showing conservatives get grossed out easier, which…kind of makes sense given what weird stuff the left gets up to lately.

    I think there might be something to it. Note that, in Haidt’s theory, conservatives are more similar to the rest of the world and rest of history, so it’s not something that necessarily reflects badly on the right-you could just as easily argue modern Western liberalism is the weird sterile offshoot. I am a little curious if he has adapted his theory to the modern woke left as it predates it and I haven’t seen him talk about it much-he mostly complains about encroaching wokeness from what I can see.

    , @bomag
    @stillCARealist


    What do you think of this “disgust reflex” idea? I admit, I’ve only seen it referenced, never discussed. My suspicion has always been that it’s baloney.
     
    I wonder, too. Libs are prone to be treacly animal rights advocates, while cons are okay with doing in livestock.

    Libs are plenty happy to go with abortion, euthanasia, and slaughtering their political opponents; but get weepy over capital punishment.

    I think there is something there, but it needs some interpretation.
  26. Seriously, without guys like Haidt around they’re just going to get leftier and leftier, the dude was no conservative but he wasn’t woke at least. Probably he knew they were planning to get rid of him and decided to go out with a bang.

  27. @SFG
    @AnotherDad

    He started out as a liberal and became more conservative, according to him, after studying and living in other cultures (India I think). He was the one behind the moral foundations theory that liberals only care about Justice and care and conservatives believe in dignity, loyalty, and authority as well. His moral foundations book is actually pretty sympathetic to conservatives. I don’t know how well it holds up under COVID, though-one of his major arguments was that conservatives have stronger disgust reflexes and should be more afraid of disease, and we saw the opposite.

    I agree with you, he’s one of those ‘enough already!’ types like Steven Pinker, Scott Alexander, or Jonathan Rauch.

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Barnard

    The intellectual dark web crowd is not conservative in any way, we just have a common enemy with them. We should never view them as allies in more than a situational way, they wouldn’t lift a finger to defend anyone to their right if the left tried to cancel them.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  28. @stillCARealist
    @SFG

    What do you think of this "disgust reflex" idea? I admit, I've only seen it referenced, never discussed. My suspicion has always been that it's baloney.

    But, yeah, I just killed a bug on my floor and I didn't like anything about it: the bug, it's presence on my floor, the squishing. But I did it because I don't want to live with bugs that will happily take over some aspect of my house if they can (fleas, lice, roaches, moths, all have no mercy and no endpoint).

    Was that my disgust reflex working correctly, or was it part of my political identity?

    Next time I exercise some aspect of personal hygiene I'll examine my motives carefully and see if it's partly my desire to vote for Republicans.

    Replies: @SFG, @bomag

    I think it was supposed to be applicable to people getting disgusted by stuff like gay sex. There was some study showing conservatives get grossed out easier, which…kind of makes sense given what weird stuff the left gets up to lately.

    I think there might be something to it. Note that, in Haidt’s theory, conservatives are more similar to the rest of the world and rest of history, so it’s not something that necessarily reflects badly on the right-you could just as easily argue modern Western liberalism is the weird sterile offshoot. I am a little curious if he has adapted his theory to the modern woke left as it predates it and I haven’t seen him talk about it much-he mostly complains about encroaching wokeness from what I can see.

  29. When your membership runs out you’re no longer a member so you CAN’T resign. Saying you’re going to do so is kind of a puss move.

  30. @AnotherDad
    Separation. It's what's for dinner.

    Haidt--my quick take--isn't a conservative, but more an old time Jewish liberal, who now finds himself more of a centrist because of the nuttery and totalitarianism, particularly in academic social science. But the obvious thing is to have alternative--i.e. separate--organizations, that are non-"woke".

    Conservatives need to do this generally. A complete separate set of institutions. Harder ones are things like airlines and retail (inc. Amazon) where there are considerable effects of scale and network effects. But pushing forward on separate media, education--including academic orgs--are essential. Then moving on to banking and the like.

    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Renard, @anonymous

    Separation. It’s what’s for dinner.

    Someone (you?) needs to get started on working out the details of an apartheid scheme which would actually be practical and defensible. So far I’m really not seeing how it could happen, even if it might make for more and better peace in this country.

    I say this because the other proposal (regional secession) seems quite impossible. Sorry to say but at the current time what seems more likely than either is South Africa after apartheid.

    You and yours will be second class citizens forever, or worse. Most likely worse, much worse.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Renard


    You and yours will be second class citizens forever, or worse. Most likely worse, much worse.
     
    What about you and yours, Hotshot? Don't you live here? Earlier, you talked about "this country." Were you lying?

    And, if your cucky-wucky scenario occurs, and there's nothing left to lose, do you really not think there will be any actions taken to rectify the situation?
  31. we’ve entered the ‘fork in the road’ part of the journey, where the communists driving the train keep going further and further left, and the liberals riding the train, who enabled the communists by voting Democrat for their entire life, suddenly don’t like where the train is going, and are steadily getting off the train. Joe Rogan, Jay Leno, Charles Murray and company voted Democrat for 40 years, and only now are realizing maybe that was a mistake.

    don’t take it easy on these guys, and don’t accept them into the resistance. tell them to their face every time that they were wrong, and they’re the reason all this stuff is happening. they don’t get to get out of it just because they finally recognized that maybe this is all not working out so well.

    oh, NOW the Democrat politicians are a problem? no, they were always the problem. and you guys screwed up the country by voting straight ticket D for decades.

    this is like the end of Fight Club, where they start blowing up buildings, and lots of the guys in the fight club are like, WTF is this? we didn’t sign up for this. Joe Rogan thinks he didn’t sign up for chopping penises off 12 year olds when he voted straight ticket D for 40 years in California, literally directly electing leftists. yes you did, Joe.

    • Agree: Alden
  32. @Anon
    Is Haidt someone whose own statements, research interests, findings, and publications are biased by Holocaust Prevention?

    Replies: @New Dealer

    I’ve studied Haidt quite a bit. He’s an old-fashioned liberal who has come to believe that conservatives are not stupid and evil. His Moral Foundations Theory is quite interesting, although still a work in progress in my view.

    Take a look at his The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion, which provides uniquely charitable descriptions of American liberalism, conservatism, and libertarianism. Also, with Lukianoff of FIRE, his The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure.

    Years ago he founded the organization, Heterodox Academy, which is the strongest (but not strong enough!) force opposing the abandonment of free inquiry in the universities. https://heterodoxacademy.org/ There is a lot of useful material there for those who are resisting woke totalitarianism.

  33. When the Current Year Red Guards start forcing you to accept their deranged ideology or else, you know that it is breathing its last.

    Bullying and intimidation, exile and ostracism are not the tools of enlightenment.

    Better to salute these Maoists with the big FU than hang around them.

    • Replies: @Celt Darnell
    @Muggles

    Trouble is, I’ve been hearing that the left is breathing it’s last, gone too far this time, will face a backlash, etc., for forty years now.

    Still hasn’t happened. Consequently, societal collapse is the more likely end.

    I’ve yet to see the left halt or be halted in its lunacy; the ensuing collapse, however, is taking place right in front of me.

  34. @Anon
    @AnotherDad


    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.
     
    Focus on stopping immigration. If it continues, even your little nationalist communities will eventually be swamped one way or another. Merely outvoted, if they are lucky.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Focus on stopping immigration. If it continues, even your little nationalist communities will eventually be swamped one way or another. Merely outvoted, if they are lucky.

    Agree. And I’ve been pretty clear on this.

    Immigration halt is job #1.

    Nothing else is within orders of magnitude, because if you do not stop the immivasion, then none of the other elements of Western civilization you wish to preserve can be saved.

    But that doesn’t mean you don’t move and try and make progress on all the other stuff–our culture, our fertility, eugenic fertility, education, educational choice, law+order, conservative community, etc. etc. All these things reinforce each other.

    Haidt and like minded academics building a social-psych counter-org would be goodness. It’s a tiny, tiny thing, in the big scheme but part of building back sanity.

    • Agree: bomag
  35. SMK says: • Website
    @HammerJack

    the Society for Personality and Social Psychology
     
    Now who could have guessed that an organization with a name like that would have collective shyt.4.brainz?

    Before you respond, please explain in detail how your response will advance equity, inclusion , and anti-racism goals.


    “The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.”

     

    Discrimination today, discrimination tomorrow, discrimination forever!

    Replies: @SMK

    Discrimination in favor of blacks and against whites, especially white males, “affirmative action,” quotas, double standards, “set-asides,” the systemic coddling of violent and/or recidivist black criminals, “anti-racist” censorship, propaganda, and indoctrination in the media and public and private education -all this has been enacted by the left since the mid-1960s and imposed, fanatically and with a vengeance, for over half a century with the goal of attaining “equality” and “equity” for blacks and eradicating all forms of “racism” and “discrimination” against negroes.

    And statistical “equity” and parity between whites and blacks as groups in wealth and poverty, education, crime rates, criminal “justice,” etc., still hasn’t come close to being realized, putatively because of the mythical evils of “systemic racism” and “discrimination” against blacks as opposed to the immutable realities of low-average negro intelligence, higher levels of testosterone, and a pernicious inner-city ghetto culture that engenders crime and violence and other pathologies.

    And blacks like Kendi and white leftists want to intensify and exacerbate all of these laws and policies and trends and pathologies, they want more “anti-racist” censorship, propaganda, indoctrination, and discrimination against whites and in favor of blacks and other minorities, until the state and culture of the US is transformed, irreversibly, into a hellish totalitarian dystopia.

  36. I respect Haidt and his work even though I disagree with the classical liberalism on which he is based. Unfortunately, Alexander Kerensky comes to mind when reading about Haidt and anyone else reasonably moderate. We live in an era of extremism. Extremists are willing to fight harder than moderates. Even if there are fewer of them, they have the tenacity to win.

    • Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom
    @Thea


    Extremists are willing to fight harder than moderates. Even if there are fewer of them, they have the tenacity to win.
     
    Moderation in everything, even moderation!
    Hmm, not much of a rallying cry, is it?
  37. @Muggles
    When the Current Year Red Guards start forcing you to accept their deranged ideology or else, you know that it is breathing its last.

    Bullying and intimidation, exile and ostracism are not the tools of enlightenment.

    Better to salute these Maoists with the big FU than hang around them.

    Replies: @Celt Darnell

    Trouble is, I’ve been hearing that the left is breathing it’s last, gone too far this time, will face a backlash, etc., for forty years now.

    Still hasn’t happened. Consequently, societal collapse is the more likely end.

    I’ve yet to see the left halt or be halted in its lunacy; the ensuing collapse, however, is taking place right in front of me.

    • Agree: Alden
  38. @Reg Cæsar

    Mandated Diversity Statement Drives Jonathan Haidt To Quit Academic Society
     
    Jonathan Chait was unavailable for comment.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan

    There is no place here for Haidt.

    • LOL: fish
  39. All that is, must be destroyed. US Army General and West Point Instructor wants to remove Confederate memorial in Arlington Cemetary:

    Biden’s War on Southern War Memorials Has Backfired: Have Southern Service Members Had Enough?

    https://www.revolver.news/2022/09/biden-war-on-confederate-southern-war-memorials-backfires/

    This general even invokes America’s tragic dirt: ““Racism is the virus in the American dirt, infecting everything and everyone,”

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Mr. Anon

    There’s hope. In June of this year some crazed Cornell university students demanded a statute of Abraham Lincoln be removed from its site. Because Lincoln was a heterosexual White man. When DONORS and ALUMNI withheld contributions the disgusting anti White racist administration put the statute back. On the grounds that ol’Ezra Cornell contributed the statue the land and much of the money to found the school. But really it was because Cornell is a money grubbing full employment place for blacks Hispanics Asians women perverts lunatic environmentalists and other minions of Satan. And liberals

    Hope Ithaca has the coldest winter in a thousand years.

    A lot of the green craziness came from bogus studies done at Cornell in the 1950s and 60s. One study demanded banning of all detergents. Right, go back to washing your hair with softened soap and rinsing with vinegar or beer.

  40. Also David French this week:

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/when-culture-wars-go-way-too-far

    That makes me pretty far right, correct? Not when the right gets authoritarian or closes its mind and heart to the legacy of real injustice. I’m apparently the conservative movement’s foremost defender of the civil liberties of drag queens. I’m constantly decried as “woke” in part because I don’t discard all of the relevant insights gained from critical race theory, I strongly oppose efforts to “ban” CRT, and also because I believe in multigenerational institutional responsibility to ameliorate the enduring harm caused by centuries of racial oppression.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @MEH 0910

    David French can ESAD. Let him sacrifice all his money, family, possessions and himself to atone for what generations of his 10th cousins once removed did to harm blacks gays perverts Hispanics Asians women the environment animals weeds and worms. Oh and don’t forget climate change.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @David In TN

  41. So Haidt a Jewish liberal college professor of ridiculous social psychology finally has done to him what he and his fellow professors have been doing to conservative White goyim his entire career. Good!!!

    Social psychology and personality studies. What a load.

    There’s been some polling that shows Hispanics and blacks are unhappy with the gay, inflation, pro abortion hysteria, even pro crime democrats. After all, there’s many more blacks and Hispanics who aren’t criminals than are criminals.

    Hope I live to see the circular firing squad destroy itself. Think of the reformation, witch hunting, French Russian and Cuban revolutions. They killed as many of their own as they did the opposition.

  42. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/DavidAFrench/status/1576587970718576641

    Also David French this week:

    https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/when-culture-wars-go-way-too-far

    That makes me pretty far right, correct? Not when the right gets authoritarian or closes its mind and heart to the legacy of real injustice. I’m apparently the conservative movement’s foremost defender of the civil liberties of drag queens. I’m constantly decried as “woke” in part because I don’t discard all of the relevant insights gained from critical race theory, I strongly oppose efforts to “ban” CRT, and also because I believe in multigenerational institutional responsibility to ameliorate the enduring harm caused by centuries of racial oppression.
     

    Replies: @Alden

    David French can ESAD. Let him sacrifice all his money, family, possessions and himself to atone for what generations of his 10th cousins once removed did to harm blacks gays perverts Hispanics Asians women the environment animals weeds and worms. Oh and don’t forget climate change.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Thanks: David In TN
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Alden

    I was not familiar with the abbreviation ESAD, but in the context of David French it was instantly understandable as it's what comes to mind whenever I read anything by him.

    , @David In TN
    @Alden

    A few years ago, David French lived about 25-30 minutes away from me. French lived in the Zion community, a neighborhood for Maury County wealthy people which included a private school for people keeping their children out of the Columbia city schools.

    French upset his Zion neighbors with his never-ending attacks on Trump and those who voted for him. So French moved to another Rich People neighborhood in Franklin, Tennessee.

    French provided some comic relief during the 2016 election. Bill Kristol chose him to run a "third party" campaign against Trump. Kristol claimed French was a "Bronze Star winner" in the Iraq War. Actually French was a JAG lawyer and apparently received the Bronze Star for meritorious service, not the V for Valor Bronze Star.

    While French was deciding whether to run, a photo of him appeared on the internet with a beard, glasses, Kevlar helmet, and M-16, wearing his usual idiot grin.

    French made Michael Dukakis on the tank look like Lee Marvin. French soon "withdrew."

    French's main obsession is "White Historical Guilt."

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AceDeuce

  43. @Mr. Anon
    All that is, must be destroyed. US Army General and West Point Instructor wants to remove Confederate memorial in Arlington Cemetary:

    Biden’s War on Southern War Memorials Has Backfired: Have Southern Service Members Had Enough?

    https://www.revolver.news/2022/09/biden-war-on-confederate-southern-war-memorials-backfires/
     

    This general even invokes America's tragic dirt: "“Racism is the virus in the American dirt, infecting everything and everyone,”

    Replies: @Alden

    There’s hope. In June of this year some crazed Cornell university students demanded a statute of Abraham Lincoln be removed from its site. Because Lincoln was a heterosexual White man. When DONORS and ALUMNI withheld contributions the disgusting anti White racist administration put the statute back. On the grounds that ol’Ezra Cornell contributed the statue the land and much of the money to found the school. But really it was because Cornell is a money grubbing full employment place for blacks Hispanics Asians women perverts lunatic environmentalists and other minions of Satan. And liberals

    Hope Ithaca has the coldest winter in a thousand years.

    A lot of the green craziness came from bogus studies done at Cornell in the 1950s and 60s. One study demanded banning of all detergents. Right, go back to washing your hair with softened soap and rinsing with vinegar or beer.

  44. @Mr. Anon
    Coming soon - struggle sessions for your nurses and doctors:

    ‘Implicit Bias’ Training Cost Me My Nursing Job

    https://archive.ph/rjC0z
     
    Maybe they could just fire any medical personnel who wear glasses.

    Replies: @Kim, @West reanimator

    Where’s that idiot guest007 to tell us how medicine is totally above these ideological purity tests?

  45. In order to present research at the conference, all social psychologists are now required to submit a statement explaining ‘whether and how this submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP.’”

    So, when and how were these “goals” adopted and why did Haidt wait until he saw he was going to required (sort of — see below) to explicitly affirm them before announcing that he would — but only after his dues run out — “resign”? Seems rather tardy to me.

    The “whether” part of course offered the option of saying that his paper didn’t advance those goals, and wasn’t intended to because they are deceptively named and illegitimate, but that would apparently require the stones Haidt doesn’t really possess.

  46. @Thea
    I respect Haidt and his work even though I disagree with the classical liberalism on which he is based. Unfortunately, Alexander Kerensky comes to mind when reading about Haidt and anyone else reasonably moderate. We live in an era of extremism. Extremists are willing to fight harder than moderates. Even if there are fewer of them, they have the tenacity to win.

    Replies: @Dr. DoomNGloom

    Extremists are willing to fight harder than moderates. Even if there are fewer of them, they have the tenacity to win.

    Moderation in everything, even moderation!
    Hmm, not much of a rallying cry, is it?

  47. Most universities and grants require a diversity statement. I’ve seen some, and Haidt is correct,

    betray their quasi-fiduciary duty to the truth by spinning, twisting, or otherwise inventing some tenuous connection to diversity.

    It’s hard to tell the difference between moral exhibitionism and a humiliation fetish.

    These types of statements are also creeping into employee performance reviews.

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  48. anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnotherDad
    Separation. It's what's for dinner.

    Haidt--my quick take--isn't a conservative, but more an old time Jewish liberal, who now finds himself more of a centrist because of the nuttery and totalitarianism, particularly in academic social science. But the obvious thing is to have alternative--i.e. separate--organizations, that are non-"woke".

    Conservatives need to do this generally. A complete separate set of institutions. Harder ones are things like airlines and retail (inc. Amazon) where there are considerable effects of scale and network effects. But pushing forward on separate media, education--including academic orgs--are essential. Then moving on to banking and the like.

    And, of course, most important is starting to build explicitly conservative/nationalist community and ideally actual geographic communities that can be seeds for eventual separation.

    Replies: @Anon, @SFG, @Renard, @anonymous

    A new country founded between 100th and 120th merdian west with ocean access through southern Oregon would give white Christian people the hope of a new start. If Nevada, Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico were left out there would only be one liberal metro area (Denver). The 80% white Christian country would be able to deal with having one liberal city. The military bases would be leased to the US. The national debt would be divided by number of people who depart. The key is the promise of a new America with a 80% white Christian population and preserving the old America.

  49. @Alden
    @MEH 0910

    David French can ESAD. Let him sacrifice all his money, family, possessions and himself to atone for what generations of his 10th cousins once removed did to harm blacks gays perverts Hispanics Asians women the environment animals weeds and worms. Oh and don’t forget climate change.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @David In TN

    I was not familiar with the abbreviation ESAD, but in the context of David French it was instantly understandable as it’s what comes to mind whenever I read anything by him.

    • Thanks: Rob
  50. @Alden
    @MEH 0910

    David French can ESAD. Let him sacrifice all his money, family, possessions and himself to atone for what generations of his 10th cousins once removed did to harm blacks gays perverts Hispanics Asians women the environment animals weeds and worms. Oh and don’t forget climate change.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @David In TN

    A few years ago, David French lived about 25-30 minutes away from me. French lived in the Zion community, a neighborhood for Maury County wealthy people which included a private school for people keeping their children out of the Columbia city schools.

    French upset his Zion neighbors with his never-ending attacks on Trump and those who voted for him. So French moved to another Rich People neighborhood in Franklin, Tennessee.

    French provided some comic relief during the 2016 election. Bill Kristol chose him to run a “third party” campaign against Trump. Kristol claimed French was a “Bronze Star winner” in the Iraq War. Actually French was a JAG lawyer and apparently received the Bronze Star for meritorious service, not the V for Valor Bronze Star.

    While French was deciding whether to run, a photo of him appeared on the internet with a beard, glasses, Kevlar helmet, and M-16, wearing his usual idiot grin.

    French made Michael Dukakis on the tank look like Lee Marvin. French soon “withdrew.”

    French’s main obsession is “White Historical Guilt.”

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @David In TN

    French's finances, family history, and work history have long been a puzzle. There's a story there. Not sure what it is.

    , @AceDeuce
    @David In TN

    Look at French's family. He is a literal cuck.

  51. I think you have observed some very interesting details, appreciate it for thee post.

  52. @David In TN
    @Alden

    A few years ago, David French lived about 25-30 minutes away from me. French lived in the Zion community, a neighborhood for Maury County wealthy people which included a private school for people keeping their children out of the Columbia city schools.

    French upset his Zion neighbors with his never-ending attacks on Trump and those who voted for him. So French moved to another Rich People neighborhood in Franklin, Tennessee.

    French provided some comic relief during the 2016 election. Bill Kristol chose him to run a "third party" campaign against Trump. Kristol claimed French was a "Bronze Star winner" in the Iraq War. Actually French was a JAG lawyer and apparently received the Bronze Star for meritorious service, not the V for Valor Bronze Star.

    While French was deciding whether to run, a photo of him appeared on the internet with a beard, glasses, Kevlar helmet, and M-16, wearing his usual idiot grin.

    French made Michael Dukakis on the tank look like Lee Marvin. French soon "withdrew."

    French's main obsession is "White Historical Guilt."

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AceDeuce

    French’s finances, family history, and work history have long been a puzzle. There’s a story there. Not sure what it is.

  53. These people are full of crap as the day is long and frankly the mere existence of any such program calls their accreditation as a recognized/accepted institution of higher learning deeply into doubt and question. Psychology has been called quack science more than once and little more than a self-congratulatory, self-reinforcing ego stroking party for bottom feeding psuedointellectuals who would not survive in the regular adult working world, hence their presence in the artificial protective and nurturing bubble of academia…time to bust up the party and get people back into serious studies or just maybe shut it down so taxpayers aren’t forced to subsidize it.

    As an attempt to solve social problems maybe there is some slim merit, but slim at best, and most likely taxpayer abuse masquerading a a formal course of college study. Seems to be a lot of that anymore…

  54. @stillCARealist
    @SFG

    What do you think of this "disgust reflex" idea? I admit, I've only seen it referenced, never discussed. My suspicion has always been that it's baloney.

    But, yeah, I just killed a bug on my floor and I didn't like anything about it: the bug, it's presence on my floor, the squishing. But I did it because I don't want to live with bugs that will happily take over some aspect of my house if they can (fleas, lice, roaches, moths, all have no mercy and no endpoint).

    Was that my disgust reflex working correctly, or was it part of my political identity?

    Next time I exercise some aspect of personal hygiene I'll examine my motives carefully and see if it's partly my desire to vote for Republicans.

    Replies: @SFG, @bomag

    What do you think of this “disgust reflex” idea? I admit, I’ve only seen it referenced, never discussed. My suspicion has always been that it’s baloney.

    I wonder, too. Libs are prone to be treacly animal rights advocates, while cons are okay with doing in livestock.

    Libs are plenty happy to go with abortion, euthanasia, and slaughtering their political opponents; but get weepy over capital punishment.

    I think there is something there, but it needs some interpretation.

  55. @Hypnotoad666

    I was surprised to learn about a new rule: In order to present research at the conference, all social psychologists are now required to submit a statement explaining ‘whether and how this submission advances the equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals of SPSP.'”
     
    Well, to be fair, the groupthinkers are technically only asking for a statement "whether . . ." submitted research supports wokeist ideology (and, if so, how). Chait could have answered, "Hell no, it discloses the truth and is therefore anti-woke." And he would still have been in compliance. I think that would have been a more fun way to protest.

    But resigning is better for publicity. And I like how it implicitly points out that everyone in academia who signs these wokeism loyalty oathes is outing themselves as either: (a) a true believing woke ideologue; or (b) a cowardly cuck. Either way, they have no credibility going forward.

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY), @IHTG, @Dr. Krieger

    What do you mean “going forward”?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Dr. Krieger


    What do you mean “going forward”?
     
    In the future.

    Replies: @Dr. Krieger

  56. @Renard
    @AnotherDad


    Separation. It’s what’s for dinner.
     
    Someone (you?) needs to get started on working out the details of an apartheid scheme which would actually be practical and defensible. So far I'm really not seeing how it could happen, even if it might make for more and better peace in this country.

    I say this because the other proposal (regional secession) seems quite impossible. Sorry to say but at the current time what seems more likely than either is South Africa after apartheid.

    You and yours will be second class citizens forever, or worse. Most likely worse, much worse.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    You and yours will be second class citizens forever, or worse. Most likely worse, much worse.

    What about you and yours, Hotshot? Don’t you live here? Earlier, you talked about “this country.” Were you lying?

    And, if your cucky-wucky scenario occurs, and there’s nothing left to lose, do you really not think there will be any actions taken to rectify the situation?

  57. @David In TN
    @Alden

    A few years ago, David French lived about 25-30 minutes away from me. French lived in the Zion community, a neighborhood for Maury County wealthy people which included a private school for people keeping their children out of the Columbia city schools.

    French upset his Zion neighbors with his never-ending attacks on Trump and those who voted for him. So French moved to another Rich People neighborhood in Franklin, Tennessee.

    French provided some comic relief during the 2016 election. Bill Kristol chose him to run a "third party" campaign against Trump. Kristol claimed French was a "Bronze Star winner" in the Iraq War. Actually French was a JAG lawyer and apparently received the Bronze Star for meritorious service, not the V for Valor Bronze Star.

    While French was deciding whether to run, a photo of him appeared on the internet with a beard, glasses, Kevlar helmet, and M-16, wearing his usual idiot grin.

    French made Michael Dukakis on the tank look like Lee Marvin. French soon "withdrew."

    French's main obsession is "White Historical Guilt."

    Replies: @Art Deco, @AceDeuce

    Look at French’s family. He is a literal cuck.

  58. @Dr. Krieger
    @Hypnotoad666

    What do you mean "going forward"?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    What do you mean “going forward”?

    In the future.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
    @Hypnotoad666

    Really guy?

    That was a joke.

  59. @Hypnotoad666
    @Dr. Krieger


    What do you mean “going forward”?
     
    In the future.

    Replies: @Dr. Krieger

    Really guy?

    That was a joke.

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