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“The Shape of Water” is Mexican Conquistador-American Guillermo del Toro’s art-directed-within-an-inch-of-its-life Oscar contender about how a heroic Coalition of the Fringes teams up to thwart the Evilest Evil White Man Ever from stopping a saintly disabled woman from consummating her Amphibious Marriage with a creature from the black lagoon.
Del Toro seems more interested in his color scheme — in 1962 Baltimore, the color green represents the conformist Space Age future planned by Corporate America, while red represents the romantic past embodied by old movie musicals — than in making any sense out of his comic book story.
Del Toro must have put three orders of magnitude more effort into perfecting his color scheme than in working on his plot: The U.S. government has sent an Evil White Man (played by Michael Shannon) to the Amazon to capture a new improved version of the Creature from the Black Lagoon. The fishman (Doug Jones, quite good) can breathe both under and over water, so figuring out how he does it is the highest priority of the USA and the USSR because of Reasons (tk) having to do with the Space Race. You know, because of all the water in Outer Space …
Sally Hawkins plays a mute cleaning lady who is supposed to scrub down the laboratory every night where the fishman is kept chained up so that the Evil White Man can beat it nightly with his cattle prod, like Sheriff Bull Connor is shown beating saintly black civil rights protestors on TV.
Why is the government official in charge of this giant scientific project constantly beating the unique subject with a cattle prod? Because he is an Evil White Man and that’s just how they manifest their White Evilness. Evil is in their blood. From RogerEbert.com:
In co-writer/director Guillermo del Toro’s political fairytale “The Shape of Water,” Shannon embodies a type of Trumpian nightmare and creates one of the auteur darkest villains yet. His government character Strickland is an American man in 1962 with a sociopathic presence in the workplace and at home, who seeks to humiliate all of those below him and appease all of those above him. Strickland’s misogyny and racism provides a key counterpoint to the wave of civil rights working through the film, but is enough to make him a horrifying monster of power from any era. He reaches a type of destiny when a gorgeous, delicate sea creature appears in the lab that Strickland is overseeing. Under specific orders, Strickland seeks to destroy it, despite its scientific worth and beauty.
Our heroine instantly falls in love with the fishdude, and despite her muteness, recruits a Coalition of the Fringes, including her gay neighbor played by Richard Jenkins, her sassy black lady friend at work (Octavia Spencer), and a Soviet scientist spy (Michael Stuhlbarg) who has infiltrated the laboratory, to help her take her frog lover home and keep him in her bathtub.
In case you are wondering, Guillermo, whose dad is a major industrialist in Mexico, is just about the palest Person of Pallor ever.
He makes Kiwi Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings) look swarthy in comparison.
What kind of breeding among his ancestors in Mexico produced Del Toro: rich, talented, and very, very white?
But his name ends in a vowel, so you can tell he’s not an Evil White Male.
Steve, have you seen Netflix’s Bright?
If not, capsule review: Bright = Alien Nation + Hancock + End of Shift, seasoned with some Lord of the Rings
I’m told that there’s a sequence in the movie where Jenkins’ Gay character gets thrown out of a diner after professing his crush on the owner, and that this sequence occurs in tandem with the aforesaid owner also throwing out a Black couple. Subtle. Of course, del Toro’s opinions on ’60s America are not exactly nuanced:
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/09/toronto-international-film-festival-oscars-trump/540429/#article-comments
I’m guessing that del Toro thinks that Frank Sinatra was barred from using the pool at the various Vegas casinos where he performed…..
Race is a social construct you want to get on the right side of.
The innsmouth gene pool of Mexico is there to do the jobs the Conquistadores didn’t do. Replace Mestizos with hard working gill men. With the Mestizos you didn’t have the vision that fish eyed gillmen have. The Giant Flying Snake God Kukulkan was most displeased and so a cold blooded Mexican with gills and fisheyes was sent to “help” them. Diversity needs fisheyes and gills. The Flying Feathered Snake Quatzalcoatl would approve.
La Raza, no. Lovecraft, Si!
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That their calendar had predicted Quetzalcoatl's return from the east (over the Atlantic Ocean) in 1519 is one of history's weirder coincidences, if coincidence it was!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl
Y con siglos extraños hasta la muerte puede morir.
Why can’t this fat white Mexican direct a movie about the Hell that is modern Mexico?
Marilyn Monroe famously speaks with warmth
and compassion of the Creature from the Black
Lagoon to Tom Ewell in The Seven Year Itch (1955).
Shows how often I’ve watched this movie lol
So, he remade SPLASH as PAN’S LABYRINTH Part II.
Or is it Fin Kong?
It’s this kind of stupidity that made PAN LABY such a dumb movie. Del Toro has a comicbook view of everything.
And he’s just another Conqui who puts all the blame on gringo.
I wonder who will go to see this movie?
Hopefully no one.
I’m told that there’s a sequence in the movie where Jenkins’ Gay character gets thrown out of a diner after professing his crush on the owner, and that this sequence occurs in tandem with the aforesaid owner also throwing out a Black couple.
Right, and I’m sure the Mexican flood into LA has been just swimmingly wonderful for the Negroes. It don’t matter cuz blacks can swim in brown water.
As long as Mexican whites rile up POC against American whites, American whites should return the favor and rile up brown power against whites in Mexico. The likes of Del Toro have much more to lose.
This sounds a lot like CRONOS.
Del Toro is a one-trick pony who uses the same idea over and over.
Luis Estrada makes satirical movies about Mexico that are pretty good, but they are virtually never released here. I saw one playing at one theater in L.A. about 15 years ago, but have never seen another one get a screening in L.A. since.
Iranian movies get theatrical runs in Los Angeles much more often than Mexican movies.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/video-mexican-president-requests-open-borders-from-american-ambassador/
I think a fishman in Baltimore in the 1960s would have more to fear from being rolled in seasoned cornmeal and fried in peanut oil before being served alongside greens and hushpuppies than from a cartoonishly sinister white man.
No one wants to be a White male, particularly White males. You should ask why. The Alt Right standard answer is … “the JOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!! Eleventy 11!!!111 … what was the question?”
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon’s Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money — John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood — the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith’s latest Netflix movie his character’s wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they’re evil.
Bottom line, “the fringes” are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society’s boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that’s not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male population
You're a one-note johnny, Whiskey - a broken clock that still manages to not even be right twice a day.
As you know, Whiskey, though would never admit because of your own ethnic chauvinism, the "Joos"are the only member of the coalition of the fringes to whom your statement meaningfully applies.
Of course, it has nothing to do with Every. Single. Time.
It's white men who adore Will Smith, not women.
The Ape of Water.
Why oh why is he wasting time with shit like this instead of doing his long-promised version of Lovecraft’s “At the Mountains of Madness”?
Granted Mountains only has Elder Things and Shoggoths, but it would still be expensive as heck for a story with only a cult following. Look how much money they blew on Blade Runner 2049, or how the original was a total commercial flop, even if it did wind up influencing every sci-fi movie for the next three decades. Good art doesn't often pay well.Replies: @syonredux
It seems that The Shape of Water was a bit OTT even for some Liberals:
http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/the-shape-of-water-is-an-utterly-lovely-but-complacent-movie.html
I hold it against Del Toro that he managed to make a completely ridiculous first Hobbit movie. Seems he really does hate the gringos. Down With The Man!
La Raza, no. Lovecraft, Si!Replies: @syonredux, @Paul Jolliffe, @SFG
Del Toro does own a pretty sweet Lovecraft statue….
So, draining the swamp is a bad thing because Deep State Creature wants to bang some mute woman.
So the frog is the mute cleaning lady’s lover. Don’t think frogs are especially well hung, but they do have a exceptionally long tongue.
I’ve seen all of his films down here in Mexico, including the 2010 film “El Infierno” or “Hell.”
“La Ley de Herodes,” which I saw on cable, is a masterpiece. Although taking place about 100 years ago, it explains almost everything about modern Mexico.
“El Infierno” was a disappointment, demonstrating he had lost his touch. His latest “La Dictadura Perfecta” is so lame I threw out the pirated version after the first viewing.
I’m sure the last two were widely released in the US.
But I’m wondering why Fat Boy and fellow Mexican whitey Alejandro González Iñárritu don’t focus their story telling talents on their homeland? “Amores Perros” was more than 15 years ago and was grossly overrated.
Yawn….Why not a film about why they leave Mexico for the US?? I mean it’s not like the news out of Mexico lacks drama.
Del Toro = BS x 2
By the way, didn’t Bobby Ewing corner the market in amphibious heroes? Or was it a dream?
PS :
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Michael Shannon is the go to evil white guy. In Boardwalk Empire he played a Protestant FBI agent who drowned his Jewish coworker in a creek side baptism. For reals.
'Shannon the Shabbas Goy'Replies: @Amasius
Kevin Spacey was good as Nixon; it is, or was, on Amazon Prime. See it before it gets put in the digital trash.
La Raza, no. Lovecraft, Si!Replies: @syonredux, @Paul Jolliffe, @SFG
Quetzalcoatl was Hernan Cortez, doncha know. At least, that’s what the Aztecs thought. (Maybe.)
That their calendar had predicted Quetzalcoatl’s return from the east (over the Atlantic Ocean) in 1519 is one of history’s weirder coincidences, if coincidence it was!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatl
I review Herod’s Law many years ago:
https://www.upi.com/Film-review-Mexican-satire-Herods-Law/58521056641659/
The mentality behind dumb movies like this.
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His top passion project (now failed) was making a film version of At the Mountains of Madness:
http://collider.com/guillermo-del-toro-mountains-of-madness-artwork-video/
Namor got there first:
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
You forgot the one subversive element of Bright: the elves are the Joos.
I liked Del Toro’s Hellboy movies.
Why do you even go watch these gay movies in the theater?
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
It might not be all white women’s fault, but they certainly have a lot to answer for.
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
Why is your stock answer better than theirs?
You’re a one-note johnny, Whiskey – a broken clock that still manages to not even be right twice a day.
Michael Shannon did a good job portraying the stupidest-ever corrupt cop in Maximum Rush.
“Pan’s Labyrinth” was also a ridiculously overrated fantasy with political undertones, overtones, and monotones. You can listen to the reviews of “SOW” or you can just remind yourself how much “Pan” was hyped compared to how bad it actually was.
Four of the five del Toro movies I’ve seen were utterly forgettable. The fifth (“Mimic”) was only memorable because Mira Sorvino was at her hottest. That, of course, was, before goodthinking liberal left person Harvey Weinstein used his penis to destroy her career.
I think white Mexicans, such as Jorge Ramos, Vicente Fox, and Guillermo Del Toro, want people to stay ignorant about Mexico since they’re the ruling class. Hence, it’s better to direct everyone’s anger at Donald Trump and other evil WASPS.
Similarly, Nat King Cole had to eke out a miserable existence as a train conductor, and Danny and Marlo Thomas had to content themselves as humble proprietors of a middle-eastern restaurant.
Swamp creatures of Silly Valley. And Boeing is now Boing. And Oracle is now Oral-Call.
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Is that the “Fantastic Four” Human Torch or the original Human Torch (who was really an android) from the 1940s?
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ec/9d/7b/ec9d7b0511dbfe479e1385b943ef8b79--super-comics-human-torch.jpg
The android:
Del Toro is one of those people, like James Whale, Tim Burton and David Cronenberg, who have a gift for design, but aren’t terribly good at storytelling. Often they do a much better with screenplays by other people. I mean, Pan’s Labyrinth had some interesting monsters, but good lord was it a bore otherwise. Probably my favourite Del Toro is the sublimely dumb but still teh awesome actioner Pacific Rim. Whose concept and plot were not conceived by Del Toro.
He also seems to have a fetish for inserting his own Manichean politics into his projects. Of course both Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone featured Francoists as the baddies. The Strain couldn't resist making both the original Vampire a fan of the NAZIs and his adjutant an actual NAZI, and hitting you over the head with NAZI parallels to the vampires.
Have a look at the white Mexican Congress that Guillermo never mentions:
Why doesn’t spoiled brat Guillermo criticize Mexico’s very strict immigration policies?
(FKA Broski)
Whites like Del Toro sit as a thin film at the top of Mexican society, much as Jews do in the US. In both cases, the .7-1.0 SD difference in IQ at the group level leads to several orders of magnitude of outsized influence.
It’s La Griffe’s smart-fraction theory through the lens of ethnic networking.
Del Toro the individual, who would be a despised conquistador in Chiapas, is a typical Hollywood/Manhattan courtier peddling crap that he knows will receive support and acclaim from the Ministry of Information.
aka:
‘Shannon the Shabbas Goy’
http://www.businessinsider.com/actor-michael-shannon-donald-trump-supporters-2016-11
https://conservativefiringline.com/actor-michael-shannon-time-trump-voters-die/
Nothing but an overgrown bugman. No doubt he gets a special kick playing these bigoted stereotypes of evil Whites. A truly disgusting traitor to his people.
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
“Bottom line, ‘the fringes’ are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society’s boundaries.”
As you know, Whiskey, though would never admit because of your own ethnic chauvinism, the “Joos”are the only member of the coalition of the fringes to whom your statement meaningfully applies.
You nailed it, excellent call!
Also, I think the Mexican elite likes using America as a dumping ground for people they don't want. Hence, the anger at Donald Trump's "They're not sending their best" speech.Replies: @Clyde
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Also, I think the Mexican elite likes using America as a dumping ground for people they don’t want. Hence, the anger at Donald Trump’s “They’re not sending their best” speech.
Lovecraft is famously hard to film–you have to either hide the Outer God (which looks hokey these days) or show something that won’t actually drive anyone insane.
Granted Mountains only has Elder Things and Shoggoths, but it would still be expensive as heck for a story with only a cult following. Look how much money they blew on Blade Runner 2049, or how the original was a total commercial flop, even if it did wind up influencing every sci-fi movie for the next three decades. Good art doesn’t often pay well.
I think you hit Del Toro’s weakness on the nose – he’s spending hundreds of millions of dollars setting moods with visual design but without stories to match. The visual style can fool you into thinking there’s going to be a good film but it just doesn’t work out that way.
He also seems to have a fetish for inserting his own Manichean politics into his projects. Of course both Pan’s Labyrinth and Devil’s Backbone featured Francoists as the baddies. The Strain couldn’t resist making both the original Vampire a fan of the NAZIs and his adjutant an actual NAZI, and hitting you over the head with NAZI parallels to the vampires.
Makes sense. If the guy’s gifts are visual (and they certainly are!) then he really isn’t going to do well telling stories.
La Raza, no. Lovecraft, Si!Replies: @syonredux, @Paul Jolliffe, @SFG
No esta muerto lo que puede eternamente dormir,
Y con siglos extraños hasta la muerte puede morir.
Looks like a rip-off/modern remake of a 1962 Soviet movie “Amphibian Man” (look it up on Wikipedia). The plot was set in Buenos Aires (though filmed in Baku), and it even has evil white men oppressing women, amphibians and poor people. Soviets were big on social justice.
whereas The Shape of Water is about a member of an alien species.Creature From the Black Lagoon looks more like the primary influence to me.
I’m in the midst of changing computers systems and haven’t been able to watch that trailer yet…
but…
it strikes me that some readers here might be interested in Karel Capek’s “War With the Newts”. Capek is probably most well-known (I think) for being identified by Asimov as the person who coined the term “robot”. I think the newt book is quite interesting if you have devoted active thought to questions of biology, upbringing, culture, etc. I think this is an extremely underrated book.
Despite my politics now (in my own mind) leaning towards the far right, I still think Pan’s Labyrinth is an excellent film (and one of the best I have seen ever). Here is a slightly spoilerish comment: is it not a central point of the film that the heroine discovers that her own parents reign as the true king and queen? (Maybe I misremember or misinterpret… ) I can see how you could put an SJW identity politics spin on this, but when I saw the film, it struck me that she had finally engaged with reality as it really is, and put aside the horror of modern political posturing. The rather “right wing” tilt struck me even though when I saw it I saw myself mostly as a leftist (if somewhat iconoclastic).
I agree. I ignored Spanish civil war aspect.
And I have enjoyed Capek's War with the Newts and Krakatit when I read it in my teens.Replies: @Jake
“Trumpian nightmare”
Yeah, that character sounds just like Trump. I mean, if this isn’t the kind of man who would beat an Aquaman with a cattle prod, I don’t know who is.
Granted Mountains only has Elder Things and Shoggoths, but it would still be expensive as heck for a story with only a cult following. Look how much money they blew on Blade Runner 2049, or how the original was a total commercial flop, even if it did wind up influencing every sci-fi movie for the next three decades. Good art doesn't often pay well.Replies: @syonredux
That’s probably why both The Case of Charles Dexter Ward (filmed twice, once as a Vincent Price vehicle, The Haunted Palace, in the ’60s and again, as The Resurrected , in the early ’90s) and Re-Animator have been the go-to HPL stories for film-makers. They’re not Lovecraft in cosmic mode. So, no non-Euclidean cities and extra-dimensional entities, just Gothic set-pieces involving wizard-ancestors and resurrecting the dead.
I think that both Cronenberg and Whale are better at story structure than Burton. Some of Burton’s flicks (e.g., the Batman movies) are nearly incoherent. Ed Wood (to my mind, Burton’s finest film) is something of an exception that proves in the rule, as its narrative structure is quite sound.
Burton's Batman movies, especially the first one, are a lot of fun and are just about his only movies that work as narrative. Of course, he didn't create the story or write the screenplay for either of them.Replies: @syonredux
I guess if they ever remake The Goonies it won’t be a greaseball like Robert Davi who torments the unfortunate Sloth with bad opera, nor a “white savior” fat kid who comes to his aid.
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
No one wants to be a White male, particularly White males. You should ask why. Whiskey’s standard answer is … “the WHITE WOMENSES!!!!!! Eleventy 11!!!111 … what was the question?”
Of course, it has nothing to do with Every. Single. Time.
There are some people like Walt Disney, George Lucas (in the original trilogy), and James Cameron who are pretty good at both the visual stuff and the storytelling end of things.
Note also the first two created some of the great franchises of film (though Avatar never really had legs). Could be one of those things, like math and salesmanship, where two skills that don't usually go together makes you hugely successful.
He’s go a “del” in his name so by definition he can’t be racist. Just like Del Taco.
Seriously, fuck these scumbags. They can go to hell.
Not to mention Desi Arnaz.
Except for the design, Whale’s movies are like watching paint dry.
Burton’s Batman movies, especially the first one, are a lot of fun and are just about his only movies that work as narrative. Of course, he didn’t create the story or write the screenplay for either of them.
I think books like Moby Dick, Old Man and the Sea and Frankenstein still surpass all these ultra weak films, these days, made by angry, haughty, pompous, oh-so-cloying SJWS as far as story telling.
I did like this movie, but yeah, the hideous “govt people” angle was so bogus; very boring & predictable (yawn), and childish. If the director was smart, he would have made the villain who tortures the “Creature from the Black Lagoon,” either a Stalin, an Erdogan, Mugabe, Saddam Hussein, even an Idi Amin character, for chrissakes. By being a USA govt official, well, we already know the NSA/FBI/CIA can not be trusted….such a major duh that this director/producer missed- two thumbs down. It makes me feel sad that Millennials are so, so, so stupid. We are all so doomed.
I agree. I found the first hour of Burton’s Batman entertaining, but it was purely due to the atmospherics. After that, it was shear boredom.
One thing that I give it credit for is its depiction of newspaper reporters as annoying man-children who the average person would very much like to smack.Replies: @Mr. Anon
'Shannon the Shabbas Goy'Replies: @Amasius
He’s a hardcore hater of flyover folk.
http://www.businessinsider.com/actor-michael-shannon-donald-trump-supporters-2016-11
https://conservativefiringline.com/actor-michael-shannon-time-trump-voters-die/
Nothing but an overgrown bugman. No doubt he gets a special kick playing these bigoted stereotypes of evil Whites. A truly disgusting traitor to his people.
Also, I think the Mexican elite likes using America as a dumping ground for people they don't want. Hence, the anger at Donald Trump's "They're not sending their best" speech.Replies: @Clyde
There is no “I think” in this. This is for sure. Everyone knows we are the release valve for Mexico’s social pressures. Now Guatemala’s + Central America’s too. The house where people surreptitiously drop off their unwanted puppies and cats. (this goes on in our rural areas)
Mexico is - on a World scale - a fairly prosperous nation despite rampant government corruption. When we turn a blind eye to Mexico sending its lower classes to the United States, we're ratifying Mexico's governmental corruption and inability/unwillingness to order its society in such a way as to produce sufficient economic activity to support its willing workers.
Imagine if the GOP was in charge in the U.S. and, rather than providing education, job training, markets, welfare programs, government make-work etc. for its people just decided to encourage its impoverished lower classes to emigrate to a neighboring Country and send some of their wages back to the U.S. to help support its economy.
Echos of the Soviet “The Amphibian Man” filmed in 1961:
Mexicans are mainly interested in watching busty blondes in hair-pulling catfights over a garishly-decorated McMansion backdrop.
OT: Remember Mohamed Noor, the Minneapolis policeman who for unknown reasons shot and killed a nice Australian tourist when she tried to say something to his partner? Turns out he was hired after the city drastically lowered their standards for psychological screening in the name of diversity. Welp, turns out that those lowered standards are still keeping out too many vibrant applicants, so they are being lowered even further.
...or if the future will be of unreflective racial screaming to which we seem to be heading.
Steve, you got this one exactly right. Let me confirm that “The Shape of Water” made for a distinctly unpleasant two hours. It’s just as you said: lavishly handsome retro sets that manage to call attention to themselves; cartoonishly sentimental plot; cartoonishly sneering over-the-top villain who’s racist, sexist, elitist, sadistic, materialistic, bigoted, Southern, and working for, God help us, the evil U.S. military. It’s interesting that the only nice guys in the film are the gay artist and a Russian spy.
I didn’t love “The Devil’s Backbone” or “Pan’s Labyrinth,” but I’ve long had the hots for Sally Hawkins. Unfortunately, in this film, as a hapless, woebegone mute, she reminded me of the late Imogene Coca scurrying around in silent-movie parodies on the old Sid Caesar show. (She’s still pretty adorable, though.)
but...
it strikes me that some readers here might be interested in Karel Capek's "War With the Newts". Capek is probably most well-known (I think) for being identified by Asimov as the person who coined the term "robot". I think the newt book is quite interesting if you have devoted active thought to questions of biology, upbringing, culture, etc. I think this is an extremely underrated book.
Despite my politics now (in my own mind) leaning towards the far right, I still think Pan's Labyrinth is an excellent film (and one of the best I have seen ever). Here is a slightly spoilerish comment: is it not a central point of the film that the heroine discovers that her own parents reign as the true king and queen? (Maybe I misremember or misinterpret... ) I can see how you could put an SJW identity politics spin on this, but when I saw the film, it struck me that she had finally engaged with reality as it really is, and put aside the horror of modern political posturing. The rather "right wing" tilt struck me even though when I saw it I saw myself mostly as a leftist (if somewhat iconoclastic).Replies: @utu, @SFG
I still think Pan’s Labyrinth is an excellent film
I agree. I ignored Spanish civil war aspect.
And I have enjoyed Capek’s War with the Newts and Krakatit when I read it in my teens.
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
Since this article is about Hollywood, who in your opinion runs Hollywood???
I didn't love "The Devil's Backbone" or "Pan's Labyrinth," but I've long had the hots for Sally Hawkins. Unfortunately, in this film, as a hapless, woebegone mute, she reminded me of the late Imogene Coca scurrying around in silent-movie parodies on the old Sid Caesar show. (She's still pretty adorable, though.)Replies: @neutral
One has to admit that the good Russian spy is at least something that differs from the current standard manstras.
It's kind of amusing how PC tracks Democratic party coalitions so exactly. An interesting exercise for Steve would be to see, when southern whites switched in the mid-60s from Dem to GOP, how long it took for rural/southern characters to become evil from being a type of good guy during WW2 movies. I don't have the film-buff background, but I'm sure he knows...Replies: @snorlax, @The Anti-Gnostic
He is ‘good’ because he is a Marxist. Today’s Russia is evil because it is not Marxist and is, in fact, slowly moving back toward being a Christian nation.
There are many things that Leftists of all stripes and Neocons agree on: hating Russia for moving back toward some semblance of being a Christian nation is one, a key one.
Wow, so we really are all Mexicans now.
Del Toro is a rather standard Mexican white Liberal, which most Americans fail to understand at all. All Mexican Leftism is white in origin. The Mexican revolution came about because of the two camps of Masons – one York Rite and the other Scottish Rite – that had been founded by the late 18th century British economic movement into New Spain. Eventually,. those 2 Masonic groups produced not merely large numbers ready to slaughter to end Spanish rule, but to arm full blood Indians and mestizos and tell them to slaughter all ‘bad’ whites so they could have freedom.
All waves of Mexican Revolution have been about eradicating European and Catholic culture as standards to replace them with 2 levels: for the ‘good’ Leftist whites a world of endless agnostic party-time fantasy, and for the Indians and mestizos a world of freedom back into Aztec horror.
Which is why we Rewrite History.
I agree. I ignored Spanish civil war aspect.
And I have enjoyed Capek's War with the Newts and Krakatit when I read it in my teens.Replies: @Jake
At best, it’s a childish piece of self-indulgence made possible by specials effects which mesmerize the simple minded.
For every slightly-woke review on a fringe website, there are 50 million people who see the movie and ‘learn’…
but...
it strikes me that some readers here might be interested in Karel Capek's "War With the Newts". Capek is probably most well-known (I think) for being identified by Asimov as the person who coined the term "robot". I think the newt book is quite interesting if you have devoted active thought to questions of biology, upbringing, culture, etc. I think this is an extremely underrated book.
Despite my politics now (in my own mind) leaning towards the far right, I still think Pan's Labyrinth is an excellent film (and one of the best I have seen ever). Here is a slightly spoilerish comment: is it not a central point of the film that the heroine discovers that her own parents reign as the true king and queen? (Maybe I misremember or misinterpret... ) I can see how you could put an SJW identity politics spin on this, but when I saw the film, it struck me that she had finally engaged with reality as it really is, and put aside the horror of modern political posturing. The rather "right wing" tilt struck me even though when I saw it I saw myself mostly as a leftist (if somewhat iconoclastic).Replies: @utu, @SFG
A good piece of art lets you find whatever you want in it.
Right, but he’s a good Russian spy during the *Communist* era, when the Russians were left-wing, and hence good. Now that Russia is to our right, they are bad.
It’s kind of amusing how PC tracks Democratic party coalitions so exactly. An interesting exercise for Steve would be to see, when southern whites switched in the mid-60s from Dem to GOP, how long it took for rural/southern characters to become evil from being a type of good guy during WW2 movies. I don’t have the film-buff background, but I’m sure he knows…
The Republican party is the white male party even though earnest, idealistic conservatives don't want to admit it. Whites are 64% of the population and dropping and Democrats can read demographic trends as well as we can, which is why immigration is the only debate left. The Republican leadership will jettison their precious, precious principles in favor of frank policies that increase white demographics or they are done as the ruling party.Replies: @stillCARealist, @LB Jeffries
That is a really good point. I should have said ‘exclusively visual’ (and that’s probably what I actually meant, but that’s not what I said, so thanks for clearing that up).
Note also the first two created some of the great franchises of film (though Avatar never really had legs). Could be one of those things, like math and salesmanship, where two skills that don’t usually go together makes you hugely successful.
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
Who said it can’t be both?
There’s a wealthy corporate elite (of which Jews play a large part, maybe a third to a half going from the lists of billionaires) that likes to keep the commoners divided by race and gender. When women are going after men for sexual harassment and terrifying men into voting for the more pro-corporate party, and blacks and Hispanics are united in taking money and jobs from whites, whites are too concerned with defending their position (by voting GOP, which cuts taxes on the rich) to think about who let all these immigrants in for cheap labor.
Bannon realized this when he tried to talk to that guy at the American Prospect–remember, he actually wanted to raise taxes on the rich. But the left is far too obsessed with race to even think of making common cause with the populist right. Nah, Whitey has to be the bad guy. (And yes, there’s a heavy Jewish role here too, largely due to identification with the nonwhite cause from what I can see. Oh yes, we’re oppressed, even though we own the media, are half the billionaires, and are married to the president’s daughter. We can’t forget our roots! We’re not white, even though three quarters of our ancestors are European and we look like Italians or lighter.)
“…take her frog lover home and keep it in her bathtub.”
Veronica, the rich girl in Archie comics, kept her gill-man in the swimming pool:
Well … can’t blame ‘em for that.
It's kind of amusing how PC tracks Democratic party coalitions so exactly. An interesting exercise for Steve would be to see, when southern whites switched in the mid-60s from Dem to GOP, how long it took for rural/southern characters to become evil from being a type of good guy during WW2 movies. I don't have the film-buff background, but I'm sure he knows...Replies: @snorlax, @The Anti-Gnostic
Old Hollywood was quite distinct from the new in that (among others) Walt Disney, Cecil B DeMille, Louis Mayer, Jack Warner, Harry Cohn and Darryl Zanuck were all Republicans, although that wasn’t much more meaningful than the fact that today’s NFL owners mainly favor the GOP.
Films like this one, and there are now literally thousands of them, are much worse than hate crimes directed at white males, though that is their intention.
They’re worse because they beget actual hate crimes, they justify them and they promote them. Crimes against people who had absolutely nothing to do with whatever is being depicted, which is usually fictional anyway. Crimes by the tens and hundreds of thousands, virtually none of which are ever reported as such.
Anyone who thinks that just because some of these stories take the form of fable or allegory that they have any less impact also probably believes that there is no guiding force behind the production of these works, year in and year out. All just an endless series of happy accidents.
But try to imagine any of these stories with anyone but a white man as the villain. We are in a war, it’s been going on for decades, and only one side has been fighting. It won’t end until white men are slaves –and white women are slaves of a slightly different kind. We’re well on our way.
Or watch them at all. I’m always dismayed at parties when people stand around discussing the latest Hollywood crap. That’s all people seem to have in common, aside from teevee. SMH.
And they’ve commissioned a sequel already, sadly John Landis’ son (That’s what he is, it’s Hollywood) is now a rapist after a crazy woman he was friends with got jealous of his recent success from writing it and made a passive-aggressive #metoo remark she was asked for details about and it went from “He wasn’t as sympathetic to a shared female acquaintance as he should have been on Facebook” to “He raped a bunch of people”.
Bonus points for Zoe Quinn somehow showing up and deciding mid Twitter rant to go from being angry about this to suddenly suggesting he was a serial rapist and everyone just going along with it! It’s pretty funny to watch Hollywood tear itself apart.
Their original gripe was that a dysfunctional female acquaintance was fishing for sympathy on Facebook because she said an ex was getting out of prison and she was headed to a safehouse. She wonders why she keeps attracting these men and Landis suggests that she can always say no to these guys and she should think about why she does. (He didn’t just post this to her wall, it was a private conversation on Facebook and he says this after she asks him why) Not in a judgemental or unsympathetic way, but that was all it took. This was lodged away and years later brought up and now he’s a serial rapist! That he is highly egotistical and annoying was likely the motive but labelling him a serial rapist is… not a proportional response.
https://twitter.com/MollyMcIsaac/status/945078247867346945
Remember they were only angry about this and then basically got enough people together in a Twitter frenzy to eventually convince each other he sexually assaulted and finally raped 'people' who are never named and the people who instigated the greater charge each time were known pathological liars. The frenzy allows nobody to examine the moment when Zoe Quinn just says he's a rapist because they all suddenly accept this as if there is proof or anyone has come forward to say he is or that it's even credible given his character. (Max Landis gives off many vibes, a serial rapist vibe he does not)
Here she is telling somebody sane to 'fuck off' for asking for more proof or for the people he allegedly assaulted to come forward.
https://twitter.com/MollyMcIsaac/status/945098836560699392
Again, when this started, none of them were talking like they thought he raped anyone. They just created a frenzy and convinced themselves, it's amazing to see because I don't think there has been as high profile an example dominated by people who are all totally disreputable people. (One of whom is called a pathological liar by past room-mates and family) It's wild and it's already affected his reputation. Not that I particularly care about Max Landis, the ultimate example of nepotistic mediocrity.Replies: @snorlax
I’m wondering if the future will be of a people who look back in disbelief that things were allowed to come to this…
…or if the future will be of unreflective racial screaming to which we seem to be heading.
A more reasonable explanation.
Men who are terrible with women + lots of disposable income = prostitution.
Throw in lots of men from India and China which have lower moral standards and suddenly trafficked Chinese prostitutes get a client base who don’t care too much about whether the girl is abused or not so long as they get an indentured slavery discount.
They were charged with promoting prostitution because they posted reviews of the different brothels.
Let me guess – they free the beast, and the instant its chains are off it goes berserk and kills every well-meaning SJW in the room in a spectacular display of gore, then escapes into the night and proceeds to live in the sewers and terrorize the city. Turns out the evil white males were absolutely right to keep the damn thing locked up tight.
No? That doesn’t happen? What a pity. It detracts from the realism.
— EDIT —
(the movie turns out to be an origin story for the Batman villain “Killer Croc”)
I’ve often thought Jack London’s ‘The Sea Wolf’ and Kipling’s ‘Captains Courageous’ could be made into great movies. But it’s a bugman world.
I think this bears repeating in all of these debates over immivaders.
Mexico is – on a World scale – a fairly prosperous nation despite rampant government corruption. When we turn a blind eye to Mexico sending its lower classes to the United States, we’re ratifying Mexico’s governmental corruption and inability/unwillingness to order its society in such a way as to produce sufficient economic activity to support its willing workers.
Imagine if the GOP was in charge in the U.S. and, rather than providing education, job training, markets, welfare programs, government make-work etc. for its people just decided to encourage its impoverished lower classes to emigrate to a neighboring Country and send some of their wages back to the U.S. to help support its economy.
So, she’s mute? Like the Little Mermaid was mute? Is that the gag? The Little Mermaid was a mermaid who became mute when she transformed into a regular woman, and made a man fall in love with her, and this woman is already mute and makes a fish-man fall in love with her?
If this was an M Night Shyamalan movie, I suppose that would be the fun twist ending, but since this is just a del Toro movie, I bet it’s just a dumb call-back that doesn’t end up amounting to anything.
Micheal Shannon was hilarious as Elvis in Elvis and Nixon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_%26_Nixon
Kevin Spacey was good as Nixon; it is, or was, on Amazon Prime. See it before it gets put in the digital trash.
would you want to live on a border with Guatemala? Didn’t they have something like a 30 year civil war? Tons of stone-age AmerIndians who barely speak Spanish streaming out of the jungles ready to make Mexico great again. Yeah, I’d have strict immigration controls too.
It's kind of amusing how PC tracks Democratic party coalitions so exactly. An interesting exercise for Steve would be to see, when southern whites switched in the mid-60s from Dem to GOP, how long it took for rural/southern characters to become evil from being a type of good guy during WW2 movies. I don't have the film-buff background, but I'm sure he knows...Replies: @snorlax, @The Anti-Gnostic
The Hard Hat Riot in New York in 1970 was a harbinger. The Left responded with bussing and the white petit bourgeois and working class left the cities and started voting Republican. The popular culture lagged a bit, so we still got movies like “Smokey and the Bandit,” “Take This Job and Shove It” (speaking of ethnic memes) and the monumental “The Deerslayer.” The Democratic old guard still made noises about working class concerns but by The Current Year, old labor activist Bernie Sanders was being shoved away from his microphone by black women and Hillary Clinton proclaimed that identity politics first in priority over reforming systemic problems in the US economy.
The Republican party is the white male party even though earnest, idealistic conservatives don’t want to admit it. Whites are 64% of the population and dropping and Democrats can read demographic trends as well as we can, which is why immigration is the only debate left. The Republican leadership will jettison their precious, precious principles in favor of frank policies that increase white demographics or they are done as the ruling party.
The building and construction unions were overwhelmingly white, Catholic, blue-collar and male; large majorities of these supported Nixon's Vietnam policy.[5]
Now I see why unions are praised, if faintly, on this blog. It also explains why the pro-communist left had to go identity and racial politics. They were never going to keep the white guys in their camp.
The theme of the movie, spelled out explicitly at the end, is that Big Money uses any distraction it can, most effectively race, to make people forget that there is a powerful elite calling the shots
Yeah, he and Lucille Ball were redlined from owning a home and had to live in that Long, Long Trailer.
Bright is so close to the setting of the tabletop RPG series Shadowrun that I’m surprised it doesn’t owe royalties.
@Steve this handle is due to the fact I can never remember my fake email when commenting from my phone.
This is far too reasonable for an alt-right comment section. I’ll keep my autistic reductionism thanks.
If true, that’s too bad.
Pans Labyrinth was sublime. The Faun, his look, his mannerisms, was pitch-perfect, a masterpiece of creepy atmosphere.
A dreamy fairy tale atmosphere, real pathos, wistful sadness – perfection.
The only comparable film (tho very different) was the first part of the Lord Of The Rings (the two later LOTR films were banal and conventional and not worth watching)
I’m gonna have to watch this Del Toro film simply because it’s by him, but it will be sad if it really is as heavily politicized as Steve says.
I’d like to claim some prescience here – I called the Creature of the Black Lagoon being repurposed as a forbidden lover 4 years ago. http://screentoscreed.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-post-man-always-rings-twice.html
Amazing how quick the slippery slope is. Del Toro had Doug Jones playing a fishman more than a decade ago in Hellboy, but that story was content to keep white human men around in a benevolent supporting role. Then the Coalition of the Fringes was put together to fight off more dangerous Fringes.
In Hellboy 3, I imagine Hellboy and the fish guy would realize that they were being exploited by evil white men and switch allegiance to the wrongly maligned demons of the other dimension, creating a new coalition to overthrow the patriarchy.
I found the first hour of Burton’s Batman entertaining, but it was purely due to the atmospherics.
One thing that I give it credit for is its depiction of newspaper reporters as annoying man-children who the average person would very much like to smack.
Unbeauty and the Beast
Del Tardo is boring. He goes for moral shortcuts. His idea of good vs evil is just flashing tired tropes like 'bull connors' or 'good gay guy'. He doesn't explore or reveal anything, like Kubrick with THE SHINING. He falls back on tropes like a comic book 'artist'.
Such trope-ism is part of Catholic tradition. Just pull out the rosary or cross or holy water and spout the tired sacraments. It's so cliche-ridden. His films are like hate hoaxes. Want to signify eeeeevil? Just spray paint a swastika or scribble KKK on a wall. Del Toro just carries around the same Index Cards of 'good' and 'evil' and flicks them out to tell us what is what.
He also takes his Hispanicism and applies to America. Anglo-American hierarchy was very different from the Hispanic kind. Just as UK was different from Spain, America was different from Mexico. The hierarchies based on tradition and customs were much more rigid in the Latin World. As such, the radical politics got more extreme. It was ultra-right-wing vs ultra-left-wing. Latin America turned into war between landed gentry & military vs Marxist guerillas & peasant rebels. Spain went from far left to far right to far degenerate.
Del Toro takes a Hispanic Crisis of body & soul and projects it onto America.
The idea of the mute woman. This makes more sense in the Spanish setting where women's voices were more repressed. It makes no sense in the American setting. In America, even mute women are always talking, like in CHILDREN OF A LESSER TODD.
And what is Mexico about? Mestizos are Rapismos. Conquis like Del Toro raped the native women and produced the raped people. He should shut up. His ilk have no right to judge anyone.
I was involuntarily exposed to the trailer for this dreck. I threw up in my mouth a little.
Here is the chat log she kept for years. If he believed her and didn’t think she was trying to get attention, then he is being a bit insensitive. That’s it.
Remember they were only angry about this and then basically got enough people together in a Twitter frenzy to eventually convince each other he sexually assaulted and finally raped ‘people’ who are never named and the people who instigated the greater charge each time were known pathological liars. The frenzy allows nobody to examine the moment when Zoe Quinn just says he’s a rapist because they all suddenly accept this as if there is proof or anyone has come forward to say he is or that it’s even credible given his character. (Max Landis gives off many vibes, a serial rapist vibe he does not)
Here she is telling somebody sane to ‘fuck off’ for asking for more proof or for the people he allegedly assaulted to come forward.
Again, when this started, none of them were talking like they thought he raped anyone. They just created a frenzy and convinced themselves, it’s amazing to see because I don’t think there has been as high profile an example dominated by people who are all totally disreputable people. (One of whom is called a pathological liar by past room-mates and family) It’s wild and it’s already affected his reputation. Not that I particularly care about Max Landis, the ultimate example of nepotistic mediocrity.
A lesson to bear in mind: never engage with a crazy person (especially a female crazy person). Nothing good can come of it.Replies: @Altai, @Percy Gryce
Is he a member,so to speak,of the “I’m a Serious Actor Because I Have Shown My Penis Club?”
I think a reasonably imaginative filmmaker could do justice to Lovecraft’s hazy descriptions of non-Euclidean architecture – shifting the direction of gravity, “impossible” structures like Escher drawings, etc. The trickiest part about AtMoM would be communicating the history of the doomed megalopolis that the two explorers soak up from the friezes and other artwork; it’s a lot easier to tell that as narrative than to show it. But it could be done.
Maybe David Cronenberg or Denis Villeneuve could take a hack at it; I’m not particularly a fan of Del Toro, but he has a very strong visual design aesthetic and seemed to be capable of getting the project done. A really good movie adaptation of one of HPL’s best stories is something we deserve after all 🙂
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
This is just ridiculous. To find out what women actually find sexy, read romance novels or see what characters get “shipped” by fans on tumblr. They are all variations of Edward Cullen basically- uber-white, aristocratic or semi-aristocratic dudes with byronic personalities.
It’s white men who adore Will Smith, not women.
The Republican party is the white male party even though earnest, idealistic conservatives don't want to admit it. Whites are 64% of the population and dropping and Democrats can read demographic trends as well as we can, which is why immigration is the only debate left. The Republican leadership will jettison their precious, precious principles in favor of frank policies that increase white demographics or they are done as the ruling party.Replies: @stillCARealist, @LB Jeffries
I’m understanding a bit more here. The Wikipedia article about the Hard Hat Riot says this:
The building and construction unions were overwhelmingly white, Catholic, blue-collar and male; large majorities of these supported Nixon’s Vietnam policy.[5]
Now I see why unions are praised, if faintly, on this blog. It also explains why the pro-communist left had to go identity and racial politics. They were never going to keep the white guys in their camp.
It figures you would ask that cthulhu.
If we’re looking for secret motivations in’ Del Toro’s mushy head, we might start with the fact that his hero, Lovecraft, was a racialist counter-Semitic WASP.
When you leave aside the fact that Del Toro is mostly the descendant of conquering colonizing raping pillaging thieving white Spaniards, you still have the fact that the people the Conquistadors plundered were one of the vilest in history, practicing human sacrifice, pulling children’s beating hearts from their chests in public ceremonies, etc.
Next to them, I guess Jews, blacks, and communist spies do come out looking rather rosy. But then, so do the Conquistadors and the Segregationists.
Yeah cuz “The Jews never do anything wrong!!!!! Evarrrr!!!” and “the white women (but Jewish women aren’t white!) did it, whatever it was!” are especially nuanced.
The cake was probably baked when the money-grubbing decision to split it into three films was made. It’s not the sort of novel you make into three films.
A supremely juvenile film. It’s like Hasbro fired their writers and replaced them with twelve year old boys.
Which is pretty rich, when you consider the parallels between Jews and vampires. Nazis are more like werewolves.
If he’s anything like his peers, it’s probably all cover for serial rape.
Nonsense. Lefties loved the communist murderers then, and they still love them in hindsight. They only stopped loving Russians when they stopped being communist murderers.
More like Hellboy is the White Man, who must constantly betray his own nature, kind, and interests for the side of good. Plus huge win for the blank slate – even the Prince of Darkness can be a good guy, if raised in a pozzed environment.
https://twitter.com/MollyMcIsaac/status/945078247867346945
Remember they were only angry about this and then basically got enough people together in a Twitter frenzy to eventually convince each other he sexually assaulted and finally raped 'people' who are never named and the people who instigated the greater charge each time were known pathological liars. The frenzy allows nobody to examine the moment when Zoe Quinn just says he's a rapist because they all suddenly accept this as if there is proof or anyone has come forward to say he is or that it's even credible given his character. (Max Landis gives off many vibes, a serial rapist vibe he does not)
Here she is telling somebody sane to 'fuck off' for asking for more proof or for the people he allegedly assaulted to come forward.
https://twitter.com/MollyMcIsaac/status/945098836560699392
Again, when this started, none of them were talking like they thought he raped anyone. They just created a frenzy and convinced themselves, it's amazing to see because I don't think there has been as high profile an example dominated by people who are all totally disreputable people. (One of whom is called a pathological liar by past room-mates and family) It's wild and it's already affected his reputation. Not that I particularly care about Max Landis, the ultimate example of nepotistic mediocrity.Replies: @snorlax
He’s straight?
A lesson to bear in mind: never engage with a crazy person (especially a female crazy person). Nothing good can come of it.
http://gay-or-straight.com/Max%20Landis
What amused me was that ALL of these women are disturbed and BPD cases who look like exactly the kinds of people who would lie about all this, even moreso when they have the cover of a crowd. They don't take responsibility for anything they do so they can do things that they know are terribly and just shrug afterwards.
5 tweets in and she is talking about how sexy she thinks Kylo Ren is because he occasionally snaps and goes into an indiscriminate violent rage and tries to dominate and control Rey! And not just a, Poldark is so hot, way. She full on describes a romantic vision of domestic abuser and casts his abuse in a romantic way that makes the victim seem truly special and ultimately desirable! The same woman who asked what it was that attracted the violent men to her and rejected the notion that she might be picking them too! She tweeted this a couple of days before posting the conversation she had with Landis!
https://twitter.com/MollyMcIsaac/status/942827461619859457
http://i.imgur.com/10ek68d.gif
Burton's Batman movies, especially the first one, are a lot of fun and are just about his only movies that work as narrative. Of course, he didn't create the story or write the screenplay for either of them.Replies: @syonredux
Dunno. I’ve always enjoyed The Invisible Man and Bride of Frankenstein .
There is no narrative logic in Burton’s Batman films. Stuff just happens, one weird set-piece after another.
Except that “Amphibian Man” involves surgically altering a human so that he can live under water,
whereas The Shape of Water is about a member of an alien species.Creature From the Black Lagoon looks more like the primary influence to me.
Here’s something I drew several years ago (I copied it from a movie poster).
https://funnyjunk.com/channel/oc-comic-makers/The+creature/atmpLng/
For the record, I thought Guillermo del Toro’s brother Benicio did a fine job in his portrayal of Outer Space Tom Waits in the newest Star Wars.
Mutey and the Beast.
Del Tardo is boring. He goes for moral shortcuts. His idea of good vs evil is just flashing tired tropes like ‘bull connors’ or ‘good gay guy’. He doesn’t explore or reveal anything, like Kubrick with THE SHINING. He falls back on tropes like a comic book ‘artist’.
Such trope-ism is part of Catholic tradition. Just pull out the rosary or cross or holy water and spout the tired sacraments. It’s so cliche-ridden. His films are like hate hoaxes. Want to signify eeeeevil? Just spray paint a swastika or scribble KKK on a wall. Del Toro just carries around the same Index Cards of ‘good’ and ‘evil’ and flicks them out to tell us what is what.
He also takes his Hispanicism and applies to America. Anglo-American hierarchy was very different from the Hispanic kind. Just as UK was different from Spain, America was different from Mexico. The hierarchies based on tradition and customs were much more rigid in the Latin World. As such, the radical politics got more extreme. It was ultra-right-wing vs ultra-left-wing. Latin America turned into war between landed gentry & military vs Marxist guerillas & peasant rebels. Spain went from far left to far right to far degenerate.
Del Toro takes a Hispanic Crisis of body & soul and projects it onto America.
The idea of the mute woman. This makes more sense in the Spanish setting where women’s voices were more repressed. It makes no sense in the American setting. In America, even mute women are always talking, like in CHILDREN OF A LESSER TODD.
And what is Mexico about? Mestizos are Rapismos. Conquis like Del Toro raped the native women and produced the raped people. He should shut up. His ilk have no right to judge anyone.
A lesson to bear in mind: never engage with a crazy person (especially a female crazy person). Nothing good can come of it.Replies: @Altai, @Percy Gryce
I was surprised too and apparently not the only one.
http://gay-or-straight.com/Max%20Landis
What amused me was that ALL of these women are disturbed and BPD cases who look like exactly the kinds of people who would lie about all this, even moreso when they have the cover of a crowd. They don’t take responsibility for anything they do so they can do things that they know are terribly and just shrug afterwards.
5 tweets in and she is talking about how sexy she thinks Kylo Ren is because he occasionally snaps and goes into an indiscriminate violent rage and tries to dominate and control Rey! And not just a, Poldark is so hot, way. She full on describes a romantic vision of domestic abuser and casts his abuse in a romantic way that makes the victim seem truly special and ultimately desirable! The same woman who asked what it was that attracted the violent men to her and rejected the notion that she might be picking them too! She tweeted this a couple of days before posting the conversation she had with Landis!
They’re always prosthetic.
Whites like Del Toro sit as a thin film at the top of Mexican society, much as Jews do in the US. In both cases, the .7-1.0 SD difference in IQ at the group level leads to several orders of magnitude of outsized influence.
It's La Griffe's smart-fraction theory through the lens of ethnic networking.
Del Toro the individual, who would be a despised conquistador in Chiapas, is a typical Hollywood/Manhattan courtier peddling crap that he knows will receive support and acclaim from the Ministry of Information.Replies: @J.Ross
This is the whole thing right here. Start beef with an extinct or nonthreatening Other so that the proles don’t think to talk about you. Today NPR played a nauseating recording of the Aspen Institute, in which billionaires and foundation chairs literally introduced a scheme to justify the undisguised categoric removal of whites from the middle class, property, or any kind of achievement, by aggressively introducing this “privilege” and “you didn’t build that” nonsense as corporate training. Literally communist public self-criticism sessions, only now explicitly racist and only for helping whites on their “journey” to realize that their “privilege” is predicated on “othering.” And how convenient should it be, if, in the course of making you a better person, we happen across legally binding justification — in your own words — for denying you a raise or a job?
Speaking of, I read a piece recently that explained the inexplicable recent season (6?) of Homeland; most of the season was shot under the assumption that cankles would win, and they had to do a “correction” at the close of the season to make their accidentally Trumpesque heroine into a deliberately Trumpesque villain. It still doesn’t explain why the story bears so many similarities to the Trump campaign and the swamp’s response, but it does at least make the case that the whole thing was a big mistake.
Due to my lifelong (well…since the 6th grade), near-obsession with the works of H.P. Lovecraft & the associated literary milieu, I was actually quite anxious to see this. But that was before I read (over at Uncouth Reflections) about how pozzed it is. Which works out well enough, I guess, seeing as how if I still wanted to see this movie, I’d just be angry that it’s not playing in Sioux Falls. That single data point is a lot upon which to base a conclusion, but I suspect this film may not be getting distributed as much in “red state”-type areas. I tend to suspect this film was given a rather limited release precisely in order to prevent it from being seen by too broad an audience ie., they wanted to make sure the people who saw it, would mainly be those who wouldn’t think it ridiculous. Del Toro’s other Anglophone films always get shown everywhere, but this definitely isn’t playing on very many screens, for some reason.
To reuse a joke from earlier this year, fishboy is lucky the evil white guy isn’t a chinese restaurant owner.
Pans Labyrinth was sublime. The Faun, his look, his mannerisms, was pitch-perfect, a masterpiece of creepy atmosphere.
A dreamy fairy tale atmosphere, real pathos, wistful sadness - perfection.
The only comparable film (tho very different) was the first part of the Lord Of The Rings (the two later LOTR films were banal and conventional and not worth watching)
I'm gonna have to watch this Del Toro film simply because it's by him, but it will be sad if it really is as heavily politicized as Steve says.Replies: @Simon
You’re so right about the superiority of the first LOTR installment that I now question my disappointment with “Pan’s Labyrinth.” Maybe it’s worth a second look; those monsters were certainly brilliant. But that film definitely shares one flaw that helps ruin “The Shape of Water” — the unremitting, black-hearted, almost moustache-twirling evil and brutality of its right-wing villain.
To be fair, it does have some tedious stretches, unlike Fellowship, which is a marvel of pacing, but it is a richly rewarding and memorable film, well worth your time.
The eerie, uncanny Faun is exactly what you'd expect a strange mythological creature from another world to be like, something utterly weird and non-human that will send shivers down your spine even of its on your side.
Del Toro showed real imaginative insight with that one.
And the haunting dark fairy tale dreaminess of some scenes was superbly done.
I agree with you about the one dimensional right wing villain - tedious, but if you can look past that, it's a treat.
I pray Shape has enough to redeem it - we shall see.
And can you believe some people actually enjoy the later LOTR films?!
How absurd.
Does Del Tardo really think all those Sea-People washing up on the shores of Spain and humping Spanish girls will lead to some shining future?
Moron is fighting old battles(that are no longer relevant) than facing reality. Progs are into Progstalgia of the day of fighting Franco and Bull Conors.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Europe is now being colonized from the sea. Who wants this as the future?
A remake of splash is what I was thinking. The best thing about Splash was Darryl Hannah wearing all those cute clothes.
I wonder who will go to see this movie?
Hopefully no one.
The Republican party is the white male party even though earnest, idealistic conservatives don't want to admit it. Whites are 64% of the population and dropping and Democrats can read demographic trends as well as we can, which is why immigration is the only debate left. The Republican leadership will jettison their precious, precious principles in favor of frank policies that increase white demographics or they are done as the ruling party.Replies: @stillCARealist, @LB Jeffries
A fine movie along old-school Dem lines is Blue Collar with Harvey Keitel and Richard Pryor as union workers at a car factory; they start out close but a labor/management showdown drives them apart
The theme of the movie, spelled out explicitly at the end, is that Big Money uses any distraction it can, most effectively race, to make people forget that there is a powerful elite calling the shots
And Jackie Kennedy was the most hated, scorned, and considered the most badly dressed uneducated First Lady ever because she was neither Anglo Saxon not Protestant
Most of the Jews I know look like the Poles and Germans they are. Kushner looks like a handsome Irishman to me.
What is this? Swamp Fever?
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
Whiskey, maybe if you started typing with both hands, you could spare us your porn fantasies. I always thought Will Smith appealed more to gay men that hetero women, men like you maybe?
A more reasonable answer is that changes in how White women view White men due to the pill, condom, anonymous urban living, the welfare state, female office make-work, and especially female driven advertising on TV panders to the worst instincts of young women beset by beta male suitors and lacking dominant Alpha males.
This movie seems like it will rival Matt Damon's Downsizing movie in revenue, but Hollywood does not care. Hollywood is not about making money -- John Lasseter gets a permanent vacation while Roman Polanski is a hero and Lifetime Achievement Award winner at the Film Actors Guild awards, errr Oscars. Adam Sandler movies make lots of money while this one will be lucky to make its catering budget but Del Toro is a sure bet to take home lots of awards and have far higher status than Sandler.
Its all about status signaling and back-scratching and SJW posturing for the various production assistants, script readers, and personal assistants who make up the **REAL** audience for Hollywood -- the day to day gophers and assistants who big shots deal with to avoid anything like a semblance of a normal middle class life and dealing with normal middle class people.
Yeah duh every script has a magical Negro, Will Smith's latest Netflix movie his character's wife is of course White. And the coalition of the fringes (reality: the dominant controlling force of society) is portrayed as magically good while White dudes are always evil. Doing evil things. Because they're evil.
Bottom line, "the fringes" are really the centers of power. They are the ones who cannot be criticized in any way, are the defacto Aristocracy, and do most of the censoring and controlling of society's boundaries. White men are just the boring beta males keeping everything running, little better than serfs and destined save extreme action for slavery sooner or later.
What? Think this will change for the better? That Del Toro will suddenly find himself White?
Nope its all about POWER. White men HAVE NONE because far too many are not only unwanted by White women but are actually repellent by virtue of beta maleness. In a complex post-industrial society POWER goes to whatever group of males White females 18-34 find sexy and desirable. And by and large that's not beta White males, 90% or more of the White male populationReplies: @Percy Gryce, @MBlanc46, @Mr. Anon, @Uilleam Yr Alban, @Anonym, @neutral, @SFG, @S. Anonyia, @Alden, @Anonymous
There are few masculine white role models any more. White boys naturally want to be like their heroes, who are increasingly non-white, often mixed-race. The media is largely responsible for this, but the prevalence of black athletes in pro sports is also a big factor.
Labyrinth is well worth a second look.
To be fair, it does have some tedious stretches, unlike Fellowship, which is a marvel of pacing, but it is a richly rewarding and memorable film, well worth your time.
The eerie, uncanny Faun is exactly what you’d expect a strange mythological creature from another world to be like, something utterly weird and non-human that will send shivers down your spine even of its on your side.
Del Toro showed real imaginative insight with that one.
And the haunting dark fairy tale dreaminess of some scenes was superbly done.
I agree with you about the one dimensional right wing villain – tedious, but if you can look past that, it’s a treat.
I pray Shape has enough to redeem it – we shall see.
And can you believe some people actually enjoy the later LOTR films?!
How absurd.
No significant special effects. I would rather say that the simple minded could not get the movie and the petty minded were turned off by its pro-Republican slant. I have watched many movies about children world and children psychology that were quite popular in Europe after WWII. Pan Labyrinth fits this genre. If you were not exposed to it and been only raised on American cattle fodder produced in Hollywood there is no way you can get it. If this is the case you better shut up. Stick with persecution of Catholics by Protestants which seems to be your forte.
Left-liberals gush over masturbatory fantasy, say dumb proles “don’t get it,” news at 11.
http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=119513
The two Guillermos.
The big white one is a big-name movie maker.
The small brown one is the new Steppiño Fetchez.
The two Guillermos.
The big white one is a big-name movie maker.
The small brown one is the new Steppiño Fetchez.
http://www.jonfinkel.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2016-05-06-at-5.04.21-PM.pngReplies: @Autochthon
Didn’t that Chelsea Handler creature also have some mestizo midget who served a similar rôle as her buffoon? How do they get away with it. If, say Tucker Carlson added some such gimmick to his show, the Man would call for his head.(“Exploitation! Stereotypes! Appropriation!”)
One thing that I give it credit for is its depiction of newspaper reporters as annoying man-children who the average person would very much like to smack.Replies: @Mr. Anon
The TV news talking heads looking increasingly grungy was pretty funny too.
A lesson to bear in mind: never engage with a crazy person (especially a female crazy person). Nothing good can come of it.Replies: @Altai, @Percy Gryce
I had the same question after I saw him on Red Letter Media:
This is …the best.
Del Toro’s movies are always visually interesting, but leave a lot to be desired on other fronts.