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Do you remember Bernie Kerik? He was Rudy Giuliani’s driver, who was somehow vaulted over the course of a few years into George W. Bush nominating him as Secretary of Homeland Security in 2004, before various scandals brought him down. In turn, Kerik had his own ambitious con man, Larry Ray, preying on him.

Ray was kind of an international man of mystery — he did something involving the Kosovo War and arranged meetings between Mikhail Gorbachev and Rudy and also Robert De Niro. But mostly he was just a somewhat mobbed up big mouth who set up a therapy cult for his daughter’s friends at Sarah Lawrence.

From the NYT:

Sarah Lawrence Parent Accused of Sex Trafficking and Abusing Students

Lawrence Ray was charged with moving into his daughter’s dormitory and targeting her friends for exploitation.

By Benjamin Weiser and William K. Rashbaum
Feb. 11, 2020

Lawrence V. Ray showed up at his daughter’s elite college, in a New York City suburb, in late 2010, shortly after being released from prison, and moved into her dormitory. Soon, he started doing “therapy sessions” with her roommates, convincing them he could help with their problems.

Over time, using threats and coercion, he persuaded the young adults he first met at the school, Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers, N.Y., to confess to crimes they had not committed and then extorted hundreds of thousands of dollars from them, prosecutors said.

He eventually compelled some of them to work without pay on his family property in North Carolina, and he threatened others with knives. He forced one young woman into prostitution, taking the hundreds of thousands of dollars she made from selling sex to strangers, the prosecutors said.

On Tuesday, Mr. Ray, 60, once a close associate of former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik, was charged in a federal indictment in Manhattan with conspiracy, extortion, sex trafficking, forced labor and related charges. For eight years, through 2018, the indictment said, Mr. Ray “subjected the victims to sexual and psychological manipulation and physical abuse.” …

In the New York magazine article, Mr. Kerik was quoted as saying: “Larry Ray is a psychotic con man who has victimized every friend he’s ever had. It’s been close to 20 years since I last heard from him, yet his reign of terror continues.”

Here’s the New York magazine article.

It’s cult leader 101 stuff in how he exploited the Sarah Lawrence kids. It’s worth familiarizing yourself with cult leaders’ modus operandi so if you ever meet one, you can get the hell away from him as soon as possible.

 
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  1. Heh? Was he trafficking lesbians?

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  2. Cult leader 101, or Pimp 101.

  3. OT, but speaking of people to get the hell away from as soon as possible:

    Video of Chinese man caning Kenyan worker sparks outrage.

    Police said three of those arrested Sunday have no valid work permits while one had an expired visitors visa. Authorities said Deng Hailan, the suspect who appeared to be caning the Kenyan, works as a chef at the Chez Wou restaurant in Nairobi but does not have a valid work permit.

    Kenya, as well as other African nations, has seen an increase in Chinese workers and investment.

    See video here.

    • Replies: @Anon
  4. LondonBob says:

    Sounds like a gentile Freud.

    Surprised how people fall for these things, then again I once allowed a boiler room fella to do his spiel and I found it very convincing, even though I knew he was a conman.

    • Replies: @Abe
  5. El Dato says:

    Symptoms of a society where people on the receiving end cannot have “a little talk” with the sociopath and his body is found a bit later because an unfortunate “accident” occurred.

    Everything has to be officialized and one has to steam through the wall the powerful “friends” sitting in high places erected. Then ridiculous proceedings may one day happen. Or not. Or may be off then on again. And then the perp is locked away and the “accident” still occurs, but who did it will remain a mystery.

    • Replies: @Lugash
  6. Speaking of cult leaders, what’s going on with Jordan Peterson? Holed up in Russia, hooked on tranquillisers, on some quack beef-only diet. Is there anyone more qualified to give young people advice?

  7. “…showed up at his daughter’s elite college…” (meaning, of all things, Sarah Lawrence College)

    Speaking of cults and cult leaders, if people have been hypnotized into thinking that Sarah (giggle) Lawrence (giggle) is an “elite college,” then before anything else, we all kinda-sorta need to siddown and have a rather more deep-diving conversation which must include, among other things, topics like, What words in the English language actually mean.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  8. To be fair to Kerik, he was an actual cop, not just Rudy Giuliani’s driver. Also, much like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun and his personal affairs could not stand up to the strict scrutiny that cabinet nominees must endure. Just ask Zoe Baird.

    • Replies: @jill
  9. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re a rabid anti cultist.

  10. WatziW says:

    Tuition for Sarah Lawrence is 55 900 US$/ year. This is the sticker price, so most parents paid a bit less. Still, a large sum, but many parents accept that as the price for the son or daughter to grow up in the “right” environment.
    This scandal is one more nail in the coffin of the traditional model of the college business. It is bad enough if the kid comes home with too much sexual experience and an useless degree with a lot of debt, but ensnared by a sex cult and doing prostitution: This should really be a line in the sand..
    I really hope for the future of The US educational system that Sarah Lawrence experiences a drop in enrolment next year!

  11. Anon[241] • Disclaimer says:

    Benjamin Weiser and William K. Rashbaum

    No agenda here. Move along.

    • Agree: Prester John
    • LOL: IHTG
    • Replies: @Prester John
  12. Anon55uu says:

    Sarah Lawrence accepts 53% of applicants, is expensive, and has a reputation as very liberal. Which all point to it declining soon.

  13. prosa123 says:

    Siunds like the university administration has a lot of answering to do. Why did they let him move into the dormitory?

    Also, I don’t believe that one student made hundreds of thousands of dollars working as a ho.

  14. PaceLaw says:

    This is aquite fascinating story. Said that one man was able to turn young adults against their families. I believe a movie is going to be made out of this story in the near future. Here’s a longer read on it. Very interesting that he was able to bamboozle and swindle some highly-educated Ivy league types, including a Harvard graduate.

    https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/larry-ray-sarah-lawrence-students.html

  15. Kim says:

    Also, I don’t believe that one student made hundreds of thousands of dollars working as a ho.

    Strippers can very easily make more than $100,000 a year. Even crazier, “social influencers” (young women with no accomplishments whatsoever making use of various social media apps) can make multiples of that. They sell their damned bath water, for godsake.

    Instagram, snapschat, chaturbate, there are more of them than there are cockroaches under old linoleum.

    Who sends these whores money? I suppose it is men of all ages who are psychologically broken and believe they are never going to get any nearer than their smartphone screen to a real flesh and blood woman unless they invest in a white van with tinted windows and start doing some serious loitering.

    It is one of the more sobering facts of the modern sex market, but lots of guys are not getting any and have put snatch up on a very high pedestal. In other wordsThirst is Real.

  16. PaceLaw says:
    @prosa123

    Yeah, I have to agree. Apparently, it was well known that an adult man was living with his daughter in a dorm for an extended period of time. The university allegedly said they couldn’t do anything about a parent “visiting“ his child. Weird all the way around.

    Also, I have to agree that there’s no way one chick amassed approximately $500,000 from turning tricks in a relatively short amount of time unless, of course, she was supremely talented.

  17. Why are white “men” such pedophiles?

    Has anyone done any research on this?

  18. @TelfoedJohn

    His wife died from cancer, leave him alone.

    • Replies: @moshe
  19. @WatziW

    the price for the son or daughter

    SLC only went coed in 1968. I thought it was even more recent than that. In any event they’ve had 50 years to produced some distinguished male alumni, but the most famous one on the list is Rahm Emanuel.

    Also, I thought they were further up in Westchester, but they are in Yonkers less than 3 miles from NYC limits.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  20. nixxer says:

    Some one needs to explain how an older adult man was allowed to move into a dorm. How did he have access? Dorms nowadays all require key card entry, etc.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  21. Thea says:

    His daughter was enrolled for 8 years?

  22. Spangel says:
    @WatziW

    Doesn’t everyone know that Sarah Lawrence is a non selective school for rich kids who don’t have what it takes to make it into an Ivy or similar school?

    Sarah Lawrence was not traditionally a safety school. It’s more of a school for kids that plan to go to school with other rich kids go. It’s garbage for academics and has been so for decades.

  23. @The Alarmist

    Ray pimped at least one of the daughters.

    He managed to have sex with at least two of the daughters and sissified the young man.

    He managed to extract $200k from one of the families and destroy the parents’ marriage.

    The article is worth reading.

  24. Jake says:

    Larry Ray should have made a career with the SPLC or the ADL. Legal con games and evil manipulations that get the press loving you big time.

  25. Kronos says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Not any that are still alive.

  26. 60ish Boomer grifter and con man versus 6 or 7 Millennials (including 6 stronk, independent womyn!) and their parents….

    …Boomer con man completely owns them all, including three of the daughters, right up to the present day.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  27. @prosa123

    SLC administration wrote a weak sauce letter about how they’re really sorry but it’s not their fault and they’re not liable.

  28. Dr. X says:
    @prosa123

    Also, I don’t believe that one student made hundreds of thousands of dollars working as a ho.

    My thoughts exactly.

    But if it IS true, then damn… I gotta start seriously thinking about entering the pimping trade.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  29. Ray’s daughter Talia is a paralegal at the Southern Coalition for Social Justice. https://www.southerncoalition.org/staff/talia-ray/

    The Cut says their article from last April led to Larry Ray being investigated.
    https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/larry-ray-sarah-lawrence-students.html

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  30. @Triumph104

    Indeed the SJW crowd has a strong cult aspect. I don’t suppose a cult has to have a particular cult leader. Just “true believers”.

  31. jill says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Kerik was a sergeant in the New York Drug Enforcement Task Force when he started to work on mayoral candidate Giuliani’s campaign. Kerik was a smooth operator and bragged of all the narcotics arrests he was making. However, there was a detective in his group by the name of Jerry Speziale who was a very hard worker and was making all the cases. Kerik never initiated a narcotics case while assigned to the NYDETF.

    Speciale went on to be the elected Sheriff of Passaic county NJ with Kerik’s support. In return Speciale hired Kerik’s brother

    When Kerik got locked up hid out at Richard Grasso’s estate in the Hamptons. Grasso was the President of the NY Stock Exchange and was famous for his long walks around the block when doing business with questionable characters.

    Kerik got a high level contract job in Iraq to training Iraq police. He stayed in a trailer in the green zone for 30 days and never came out. After 30 days he fled Iraq.

    Now Kerik is a convicted felon who is on WABC radio in NY all the time masquerading as a “terrorism expert”

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  32. Well I feel less shame now for having taken Ballroom Dance 101 at my alma mater at least a dozen times in middle age. Perhaps the only class of many where I was truly disappointed when classtime ended. It was like swimming naked with mermaids. Later I took Swimming 101 which was also a lot of fun but without the socially-approved fondling.

  33. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    He had no real background or college education. He was able to work on a Wall Street. He was able to convince politicians, generals, FBI agents, et al., to work with him. He was able to control a Harvard and Columbia Med-educated doctor to be one of his girlfriends and do work for him. Etc., etc. Any guess about his IQ or this wizard-like influencing technique?? I sure as hell would like to possess some of these skills, though of course use them for good purposes.

  34. Malenfant says:

    With respect to the cult leaders’ modus operandi, his indictment is much more informative than that NYT article.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1247921/download

    Very weird story.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  35. Ray’s daughter Talia is a paralegal at the Southern Coalition for Social Justice. https://www.southerncoalition.org/staff/talia-ray/

    Definitely her father’s daughter.

    Got his face and his ability to pursue a lucrative grifting opportunity.

  36. I suspect that many who read stories like this – and there are many such sad and even tragic tales – has a reaction similar to mine: The only real talent con artists like this have is an ability to discern and exploit weaknesses in others. Otherwise most of these con artists are as pathetic as their victims, although also vile and culpable.

    Human beings with at least a normal amount of self-assertion and self-confidence would never participate or fall for the mind games which this sociopath played with his Sarah Lawrence victims. I suspect that the higher functioning victims of his cons were done in by some form of hubris which the con artist detected and exploited.

    Svengalis need Trilbys.

  37. Lugash says:
    @El Dato

    Yep. I think a lot of America’s dangerous misfits, before say World War II, ended up in a shallow grave behind Farmer Johnson’s farm. Farmer Johnson didn’t see or hear much, and if he did he didn’t talk about it.

  38. bucky says:

    This is eerily like how major media organizations work. You have a charismatic alpha male, and a bunch of followers, often young women, who yell at you about trans rights.

  39. hhsiii says:
    @prosa123

    Article says her rack rate was $8,000 a night. Seems a bit steep but I haven’t seen pics. I mean, she could be a 10 and great in bed with a charming personality and $8k seems ludicrous, but whatever.

    It’s all very strange. He got the some of the girls to testify (apparently in landlord tenant type litigation against a landlord/friend who finally decided to boot him from an apartment on E. 93rd street, although a bit unclear), that they were poisoning him at the behest of Kerik. And they even retconned their lives, saying stuff like their parents had arranged for them to go to Sarah Lawrence since they were young in cahoots with Kerik in order to get at this conman. He’s likely insane.

    Some of these people involved were not at Sarah Lawrence, but graduates of Harvard and Columbia medical school. And one kid, he got his parents to pay a couple of hundred grand to this conman to pay off their son’s alleged debts to him. They were Dominican immigrants who moved here in the ’80s and owned a travel agency and some businesses in the Bronx. How they were so dumb as to do that I don’t know. But he’d get the son to sign statements that he’d damaged his property, ranging from like a $9 pen to a multi-thousand dollar stove, etc., for total of $47k. This was his MO, to get them to confess to owing him money for property damage. He became their personal/spiritual adviser first then use that to manipulate them.

    Extremely bizarre.

    But yeah, Sarah Lawrence knew he was living in the dorm and said they couldn’t do anything about it, that a father could visit his daughter. But he was an ex-con living there. Apparently this is less like a dorm than a house. And cops didn’t do much of anything either, saying it was all adults doing things of their free will.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Aidan Q
    , @Bill Jones
  40. hhsiii says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Bronxville. wiki says Yonkers. Their main address as 1 Mead Way, Bronxville, NY. Right next to Yonkers. I don’t now, maybe most of campus is in Yonkers. Or Eastchester. Regardless, a little tonier than most of Yonkers.

    I almost bought a house in Yonkers once, with nice river views, beautiful inside. A retired artist was selling, and let me bid up against another artist who he sold to, even though I outbid, saying he only wanted to sell to another artist. After of course I’d gotten the price jacked up 30% from asking. This was 1996. $275k for an 18th century colonial. Likely worth a hell of a lot more now. But an awful school district.

    Other male alums include Jordan Peele, JJ Abrams, Brian DePalma, so more in the entertainment line.

    Joseph Campbell used to be on the faculty.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @ScarletNumber
  41. Jack D says:
    @hhsiii

    But yeah, Sarah Lawrence knew he was living in the dorm and said they couldn’t do anything about it, that a father could visit his daughter.

    College administrators are gutless wonders. They are so open minded that their brains fall out. One summer, my daughter took a position as an RA in a dorm at MIT. She noticed that a couple of Asian girls (one Indian and one Chinese IIRC) had their mothers living with them in their dorm rooms (and these were true (and small) dorm rooms, not apartments – I digress but a lot of older American universities house their students in outdated housing that would be embarrassing even in China and which the students would never tolerate in a 3rd tier American university, for the low low price of $70k/year – this building was literally 100 years old and looked like it had only only been lightly renovated if at all since then – they do this because they can get away with it). She reported this to the higher ups but they sort of shrugged and did nothing about it.

  42. Dr. Dre says:

    I grew up near the college. It is in Yonkers but has a fashionable mailing address, as many places in NY do to make them sound more high-toned. It was named for a descendant of the local real estate developers and the namesake actually graduated from one of the elite Seven Sisters colleges. When it was a women’s college, it had a major in Dance, although it probably still does, as I think that was Rahm Emanuel’s field of study. Another grad was Valerie Jarrett’s mother. See a pattern? The school has always been liberal politically and expensive as it has a very small endowment. You used to be able to create your own major with guidance from the faculty. Probably still true. I think that Joseph Campbell was a professor there. That’s all I know about the place. From the sound of the article, I would say the place is about to run aground.

    Apologies for saying some of the same stuff that was written above which I missed reading through quickly. Yes, Sarah Lou (60s’ guys’ nickname for the school) is in Bronxville 8, which is in Yonkers and NOT in the “real” Bronxville School District (1 square mile!).

  43. El Dato says:
    @Jack D

    College administrators are gutless wonders. They are so open minded that their brains fall out.

    So you mean they would be better employed as nerds in a Chinese-owned web-coding sweatshop working next to Tania the Gigantic Trans coder?

  44. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    If you like the Bronx, and you’re fond of villes, you’re gonna freakin’ love Bronxville.

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Known Fact
  45. Jack D says:
    @hhsiii

    The Bronx River (Parkway) is the boundary and Sarah Lawrence is 100% on the Yonkers (west) side of the river. Maybe it’s a Bronxville post office address – postal boundaries often don’t correspond with political boundaries.

    Yonkers itself is sort of split into 4 quadrant by highways. In 3 of the quadrants (west of the Thruway and south of the Cross County), the housing is mostly older row houses and the population is largely minority (increasingly Hispanic). The 4th quadrant (e. of the Thruway and n. of the Cross County, lies an upscale (and white) suburban section and that’s where Sarah Lawrence is. A lot of places in this quadrant call themselves “Bronxville” (e.g. Bronxville Towers Apartments) even though they aren’t.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    , @hhsiii
  46. Abe says:
    @LondonBob

    Sounds like a gentile Freud.

    Serious question- if you leave out the threatening with knives, the prostitution charges, and incidental gotchas like tax evasion, money laundering, etc. , would anything his guy did be considered illegal? Meaning, is it really a crime to psychologically manipulate adults if there is no physical coercion or violence or threat of violence involved? And if, yes, then, yeah, Freud…

    • Replies: @Jack D
  47. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Bronxville is very upscale and nothing like the Bronx. The median home price is maybe $2.5 million. It takes its name from the fact that it sits on the Bronx River and not from the NYC borough. The Bronx River does flow thru the Bronx but it extends 25 miles north into Westchester County.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  48. Anon[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D

    MIT has the crappiest, most outdated buildings, facilities, rooms of any college or university that I know of but apparently those* studying or teaching there don’t seem to mind so I guess it doesn’t matter.

    * In STEM at least. Sloan is nice and fancy.

  49. Mr. Anon says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Speaking of cult leaders, what’s going on with Jordan Peterson? Holed up in Russia, hooked on tranquillisers, on some quack beef-only diet.

    I bet his room is a mess too.

    I never trusted that guy. Certainly not after that video emerged of him bawling like a baby.

  50. Aidan Q says:
    @hhsiii

    Article says her rack rate was $8,000 a night. Seems a bit steep but I haven’t seen pics. I mean, she could be a 10 and great in bed with a charming personality and $8k seems ludicrous, but whatever.

    Here she is being questioned by Lawrence Ray on video “confessing” to poisoning her:

    Claudia Drury confesses to trying to poison Lawrence Ray:

    YouTube: https://youtu.be/0m9pcQTKBXc

    • Replies: @hhsiii
  51. Mr. Anon says:

    The whole sordid tale of Bernard Kerik makes it pretty plain that the establishment is rotten.

  52. @Jack D

    Bronxville is very upscale and nothing like the Bronx.

    Egads…

    ’Twas a bit of literal reductio ad absurdumb, aka a joke, in reply to TGToD who wrote:

    … we all kinda-sorta need to siddown and have a rather more deep-diving conversation which must include, among other things, topics like, What words in the English language actually mean.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  53. J.Ross says:

    This was an excellent post and a refreshingly logical take on cults except for one problem with the advice. Young women, especially at college, are inherently and permanently vulnerable to cults, regardless of their intelligence or what advice they get. It really is just a matter of talking to them the right way, and there will always be some creep born knowing how to do that. There are certain broad restrictions we have eroded out of a misguised confidence.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    , @Spangel
  54. Jack D says:
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I realize that it was meant as a play on words, but going with the theme that words actually have meanings and are just not sounds, you said “If you like the Bronx,… you’ll love Bronxville”. But in reality, the Bronx and Bronxville are like chalk and cheese so to someone who is actually familiar with these places the joke does not ring true.

    OTOH, there’s nothing I hate more than dissecting a joke. The whole point of a joke is to be light and dissection is heavy. It’s like dissecting a canary to see what makes it sing – once you’ve dissected it, it’s not going to sing anymore.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  55. Jack D says:
    @Abe

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?

    Yes, once you leave out the sex trafficking, the extortion, the sleep and food deprivation, the forced labor, the threatening with knives, the pimping, the tax evasion and the money laundering, Ray was EXACTLY like Freud.

  56. @Jack D

    But in reality, the Bronx and Bronxville are like chalk and cheese

    Right, that’s the main part of the joke, and instead of scrolling by or charitably LOL-ing you bit literalist—chomped hard on the aye sperg lettuce! I’m afraid to tell you where SL’s satellite hippo campus is located…

  57. @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Just a 20-minute train ride from NYC, central Bronxville is widely considered to be the first “planned suburb,” (circa 1910) although much denser and more dignified than our modern conception of suburbia

    Some nearby Yonkers neighborhoods and institutions claim a Bronxville address to appear more upscale. Westchester developers likewise often go through contortions to avoid mentioning their building happens to be in Ossining, Mount Vernon or Peekskill.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
  58. Giuliani and Kerik did stand their ground on 9/11 as the towers fell, working out of a make shift command center across the street.

  59. Anon[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s an 8-minute video with Claudia (Drury) being coached by Lawrence Ray as a (forced) confession that she tried to poison Ray and other members of the cult:

    https://youtu.be/L3nc053jIQc

    https://heavy.com/news/2019/04/lawrence-ray/

  60. danand says:

    Sarah Lawrence and cult(s) go way back:

    Yoko @ Sarah Lawrence College
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  61. @Jack D

    It’s possible that the old lady wasn’t their mom, but rather a servant/slave from the old country. But claiming the lady was their mom let them keep her there.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  62. Gee, never this kind of excitement at the now-defunct women’s college I worked with. With this business model maybe it would still be thriving.

  63. Imagine being such a psychopath you would use your daughter as a method of creating a sex cult in her dorm. Seriously.

    This sounds like a porn set up. I mean, I would really not be surprised if this guy were inspired by modern pornography to do this.

    There’s a whole genre of “my daughter’s best friend” porn where the older dad type has sex with his daughter’s high school/college/young adult friends, who love him because he’s “so mature” and they “like older guys” etc. And there’s also genres where the guy “breaks” a woman into being his BDSM sex slave. I’ll bet this guy watched them both.

    And then the NXIVM stuff came out.

    I would not be surprised if this psycho watched a lot of that type of porn, and then heard about NXIVM and/or other cults (e.g. Manson) that targeted teenage girls far from home (i.e. homesick) or women with emotional issues (e.g. actresses) — and then he realized that Sarah Lawrence was rife with both (Sarah Lawrence has a lot of arty wanna-be actress types, more than most schools, and of course as college kids they’re teen girls away from home). He put 2 and 2 together and realized his daughter’s college was an ideal place to recruit.

    • Replies: @Jack D
  64. prosa123 says:
    @Jack D

    Ironically, the most downscale part of Yonkers (the SW quadrant) borders the most upscale part (Riverdale) of the Bronx.

  65. Thea says:

    The whole story is fascinating, here is another article
    https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/larry-ray-sarah-lawrence-students.html

    This was Sarah Lawrence’s version of in loci parentis

  66. hhsiii says:
    @Jack D

    I have to fire my fact-checker. Me. Not a good week for me as far as details. Right you are.

    And apparently the house I bid on was an 1880s Victorian. It has only about doubled in value. Not great curb appeal but the inside was very well done, and big. Just unfortunate it is Yonkers. Also right on the aqueduct. Just above Warburton Avenue, which IS dicey, but this is a decent little enclave:

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/161-Shonnard-Ter-Yonkers-NY-10701/32986772_zpid/

    • Replies: @Jack D
  67. hhsiii says:
    @Aidan Q

    Definitely not $8 k a night.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  68. @Dr. X

    There was a Steven Molyneux clip discussing the cam-girl business here the other day.

    The interviewee mentioned that it was not unusual for a successful cam-girl to pull in $100-120k per year.

    With all the frustrated, unhappy, unsatisfied men out there, this does not surprise me.

  69. hhsiii says:
    @J.Ross

    Broad restrictions, aka rules for dames.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
  70. @hhsiii

    Definitely not $8 k a night.

    Nope.

    Elliot Spitzer was getting much better value paying $4.3k for Ashley Dupre:

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  71. J.Ross says:
    @hhsiii

    Nice, wasn’t even intending that.

  72. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @WatziW

    Seems the SLC parents could’ve saved some money with similar outcomes at this fine institution:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  73. Jack D says:
    @hhsiii

    170 Shonnard is out of this world:

    https://www.6sqft.com/3-95m-yonkers-castle-with-more-than-20-rooms-is-out-of-this-world/

    But pay $4m to live in the ghetto – no thank you.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  74. Jack D says:
    @R.G. Camara

    I have no idea of this man’s porn viewing habits. (You OTOH seem to have a lot of familiarity with the genre. ) I am guessing that he found himself with no place to live after getting out of prison and so ended up in his daughter’s dorm and then his plot took shape from there once he realized what naive, bubble raised head cases were all around him as you say.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  75. JUSA says:

    White women are so stupid, esp. the liberal ones.

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  76. Already 70 comments and nobody has mentioned the obvious.

    A high proportion of “cult leaders” are agents of various intelligence agencies, such as the CIA and Israeli Mossad. That’s where they receive their training in brainwashing, mental control, and psychological trauma.

    These intelligence agencies run interference for their agents. That’s how these “cult leaders” get away with so much illegal activity that normally would be prosecuted or dealt with firmly.

    The intelligence agencies make sure their agents are well-funded and have access to various resources, which helps to ensure the success of the operation.

    Many of these “cult leaders” often involve wealthy, powerful, and famous individuals in their crimes so they can later have blackmail. Similar to how Epstein invited Bill Clinton to sexually violate 14 year-olds on his “Lolita Express” jet, then filmed everything so as to blackmail him later.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  77. Dr. X says:
    @Jack D

    College administrators are gutless wonders.

    Not when it comes to shafting conservative faculty and students, they aren’t.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  78. @nixxer

    It worked for Thornton Melon, but he made a big donation.

  79. @Jack D

    No way.

    Dorms are super strict about who comes in and leaves. If there was a parent actively living in a dorm, he’d be thrown out in the first night. Also, the other students (especially female students) would complain very quickly and have the situation resolved.

    There’s no possibility whatsoever of a parent living in a dorm long-term. Literally impossible.

    There must’ve been either the CIA or Israeli Mossad pulling strings from behind the scenes, manipulating senior university administrators and local law enforcement.

    Think this is impossible?

    Epstein had his own “lodge” near the housing facilities for the girls.

    Then there was Harvard.

    CIA and Mossad pulling the strings behind the scenes, running interference.

  80. Anonymous[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Dammit…

  81. @prosa123

    Also, I don’t believe that one student made hundreds of thousands of dollars working as a ho.

    Also, I have to agree that there’s no way one chick amassed approximately $500,000 from turning tricks in a relatively short amount of time unless, of course, she was supremely talented.

    Article says her rack rate was $8,000 a night. Seems a bit steep but I haven’t seen pics. I mean, she could be a 10 and great in bed with a charming personality and $8k seems ludicrous, but whatever.

    It is impossible that she made that much per night.

    Impossible.

    Most escorts earn $200-300 per hour. Really elite escorts can earn $2,000-3,000 per night.

    Unless you happen to serve very high-end clientele (like athletes and Hollywood celebs), you can not make $500,000 per year.

    Impossible.

    According to one study, the average full-time prostitute doesn’t make that much.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-much-prostitutes-earn-revealed-11902009

    On average, sex workers take home £27,271 a year and more than half of earn less than £20,000.

    This girl was “working” part-time, while going to university. So she probably made less.

    Obviously, these individuals were involved with some type of massive money laundering operation. That’s why I suspect CIA and/or Israeli Mossad involvement.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  82. Jack D says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    I told you my daughter’s actual experience at MIT. These girls had their mothers living in their dorm rooms, she reported it to the administration and they did nothing. Access control to these dorms was a joke – I think there was a key card system and that was all. Those Asian girls were neither CIA nor Mossad AFAIK.

    College dorms at liberal arts schools are not administered by the Gestapo. The admins are ultra liberal white people, the kind where the women wear Birkenstocks and the men have pony tails and vote for Sanders (if they don’t consider him to be too right wing). The kind that like to give driver licenses to illegal aliens and let felons vote and make cannabis legal. So if you want to have your parent/boyfriend/llama live with you in your dorm room, who are they to say that is wrong or prohibited?

  83. Hhsiii says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    This…actually makes sense. Prison also gives you time and impetus to study. And lift.

  84. @Jack D

    I’m 100% certain the previous poster got all his info from a friend.

  85. @JohnnyWalker123

    I grew up in NW Lower MI.

    What a sick, sad world we live in.

    • Agree: JohnnyWalker123
  86. @Known Fact

    Yes, I am geographically familiar with Westchester (way back in the day I toured SUNY Purchase but did not attend, and Sarah Lawrence, Wheaton (MA) etc. were briefly on my radar because of the M/F ratio 😉 ) and I knew that Bronxville is not part of the Bronx and is demographically ‘opposite.’ See my back-and-forth with Jack D.

    My joke, as it were, was in part a vague reference to ancient Xzibit Yo Dawg nesting variables but mostly was a surreal play on surprised expectations based on “If you like the Bronx” (really?) and are “fond of villes” (huh?) and boom — tough guy New York-ese voice sarcastically (“You’re gonna freakin’ love [it]”) saying that no, you will not like Bronxville because it is rather different than the name at first impression would imply to you, a keep-it-real fan of the actual Bronx who probably drives a ‘70s Coupe de Ville.

  87. Spangel says:
    @J.Ross

    Despite Sarah Lawrence being a traditionally female college, it seems that Lawrence ray successfully targeted young men as much as women. The original article describes how 2 of the roommates were seemingly straight men. As of today, santos (m) remains one of rays most psychologically broken down victims. Daniel escapes after years of abuse and talias boyfriend was quick to escape after a few months of manipulation.

    Beyond this there appears to be other unnamed victims, including a former marine who is also extremely mentally broken down.

    Ray really did seem successful at severely manipulating almost anyone around him, male or female, teenager or seasoned FBI agent.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @JohnnyWalker123
  88. @JohnnyWalker123

    I gotta agree with Jack on this one.

    I stayed at my kid’s dorm (on an all-girls floor no less) overnight while on a trip through the area. Getting though the building card access was sometimes inconvenient, but I don’t see any reason it couldn’t have been workable had I wanted to stay longer.

  89. @JohnnyWalker123

    Couldn’t it just be run-of-the-mill organized crime money laundering? Don’t CIA and Mossad have less disreputable ways to launder cash?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @JohnnyWalker123
  90. anon[227] • Disclaimer says:

    Youse guys get outta here with the NYC geography lessons. It’s all the same to usn’s west of the Hudson.

    Scuse me, go on back to Brooklyn.

  91. @WatziW

    the hooker broad made 500k hooking. Now that’s a high paying job straight out of undergrad!

  92. J.Ross says:
    @Spangel

    Neil Strauss is a complicated source to draw upon, on the one hand writing best-selling books about various movements of the moment, on the other hand catching quotable bits, novelesque in their perfection, which make his subject look like the stupidest sonofabitch to ever live (but maybe they are). In his book on Game, the (I guess) now-fizzled celebration of civilizational death where energetic strivers learn human interaction tricks to exploit the closing window of normalized sluttiness, one of the key axioms observed by all was the “natural.” The Game participants are learning to be a pale artificial imitation of a natural, but the true natural knows the Game from day one. Game whatever you’d call thems talk about getting laid X days after implementing this or that program. Naturals talk about getting jumped in middle school by the nurse or the math teacher. A functioning legal system watches out for this sort of person. Ours is probably run by them.

    • Replies: @ATBOTL
  93. J.Ross says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Epstein and Maxwell are solid Mossad, no argument, might as well be uniformed. When was this creep ever connected to anything other than some of his victims being US government or rich?

  94. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Change that Matters

    Anyone knows that chefs tend to be volatile, whatever their nationality. They traditionally get cut some slack because of this.

  95. ATBOTL says:
    @jill

    There has long been a rumor that Jerry was a coke dealer before he was a cop.

    • Replies: @jill
  96. ATBOTL says:
    @J.Ross

    Ray is a psychopathic con artist straight out of “Mask Of Sanity.” Nothing to do with the concept of a “natural” in PUA lore.

  97. @Almost Missouri

    Couldn’t it just be run-of-the-mill organized crime money laundering?

    It definitely could be organized crime, especially since Kerik is a well-known mafia associate.

    However, it’s difficult to explain why the university didn’t do anything about this. What about the local police? What about the FBI? It seems like there must’ve been some intelligence agents doing something behind the scenes, even if this was primarily an organized crime operation.

    Organized crime doesn’t have the influence or muscle that they once did. So without someone high up running interference, this wouldn’t have happened.

    I stayed at my kid’s dorm (on an all-girls floor no less) overnight while on a trip through the area. Getting though the building card access was sometimes inconvenient, but I don’t see any reason it couldn’t have been workable had I wanted to stay longer.

    If you stayed longer, I think a lot of the kids would’ve noticed. If you seemed aggressive with the students, then the university would’ve been quickly alerted and you would’ve been dealt with firmly.

    Staying overnight (while behaving yourself) is very different from what this man did.

    RAs can sometimes look the other way for a night or two. However, if a person stays for a long period of time and this becomes a significant issue, it’s rare for something like that to be tolerated.

    It’s also rare for anyone to keep their dad in their dorm. Most kids are too embarrassed of their parents to allow that. Would your daughter allow you to live long term in her dorm? What would her friends say? Have you ever heard of anyone living in their kid’s dorm for a long period of time?

    If you tried to extort anyone, don’t you think lawyers and cops would’ve gotten involved quickly?

    Don’t kids tell each other everything these days through their non-stop texting and usage of social media (Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Snap Chat, Whats App)? How’d this man isolate these kids for so long without anyone intervention.

    Something doesn’t make sense here. There’s much more to this story than meets the eye.

    This guy forced a female to have sex with men. Supposedly, the female was making $8000/night. Which is way more than an average prostitute. Despite being ugly, she made a ton of money. How?

    There must’ve been some type of money laundering going on, with prostitution being a convenient excuse for alternative revenue streams. Furthermore, the sex must’ve been in some of Epstein-style blackmail operation. I think that’s what was happening.

    I also think it’s possible that the guy got a little too aggressive about exploiting some of these kids, which is why he got caught.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  98. @Dr. X

    Not when it comes to shafting conservative faculty and students, they aren’t.

    Times being what they are, that doesn’t take a lot of guts today.

  99. @Jack D

    I told you my daughter’s actual experience at MIT. These girls had their mothers living in their dorm rooms, she reported it to the administration and they did nothing. Access control to these dorms was a joke – I think there was a key card system and that was all. Those Asian girls were neither CIA nor Mossad AFAIK.

    Isn’t MIT in ritzy Cambridge? In Yonkers (which is much more working-class and much less safe), I doubt they would’ve been so lackadaisical.

    Also, MIT has tons of Asians and these days even Indians. Those cultures are known for their strict parents and families that stop by constantly to check that their little genius is actually studying.

    At Sarah Lawrence, the student body is largely White and there are hardly any Asians. Which means minimal parental involvement (no Tiger Mothers). So it would’ve been much more unusual for a parent to stop by for a long period of time. There wouldn’t have been any PC to protect them either.

    So I don’t think you could’ve gotten away with this type of stuff there.

    From what I’ve seen, I have never heard of a parent living long-term in their child’s dorm. Though, admittedly, I don’t know enough about Asians or Indians to say what they do. I know for a fact that White parents don’t do this stuff and it’d be shockingly rare for a White father to live in a White daughter’s dorm.

    Something is very unusual here.

    College dorms at liberal arts schools are not administered by the Gestapo. The admins are ultra liberal white people, the kind where the women wear Birkenstocks and the men have pony tails and vote for Sanders (if they don’t consider him to be too right wing). The kind that like to give driver licenses to illegal aliens and let felons vote and make cannabis legal. So if you want to have your parent/boyfriend/llama live with you in your dorm room, who are they to say that is wrong or prohibited?

    There’s a huge difference between letting mothers stay (which is what happened in your daughter’s floor on MIT) and letting fathers stay. In an ultra-liberal women’s college like Sarah Lawrence, the father would’ve been considered “creepy” and would’ve been accused of sexual harassment.

  100. @hhsiii

    Is Joseph Campbell famous?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Hhsiii
  101. @JohnnyWalker123

    Isn’t MIT in ritzy Cambridge?

    MIT is towards East Cambridge, where there is a big chunk of public housing and is semi-industrial. Areas of West Cambridge are the “ritzy” part, though market-rate housing everywhere in the city is expensive.

  102. J.Ross says:
    @ScarletNumber

    >is Joseph Campbell famous?
    I was going to post twenty angry staring anime girls and then I realized that you might not be talking about literate people.

  103. @Spangel

    Here’s how the CIA and Israeli Mossad work.

    They send their agents out to fraternize in a certain population. Sometimes that population is elite (politicians, Hollywood, businessmen), but not always.

    The CIA and Mossad typically send out intelligence agents (in careful disguise) who are affable and sociable. Their intelligence agents use their immense resources to help out various individuals in different ways, gaining a solid reputation as upstanding and helpful individuals.

    Then these intelligence agents begin to invite different people to their “parties.” At the “parties,” there’s lots of consumption of alcohol, drugs, and other intoxicants. There’s often some type of sexual debauchery involved, sometimes involving very young individuals. Given how “wasted” everyone gets, it’s hard to remember exactly what each person did.

    A few days after the “party,” the intelligence agents will individually approach each person who was there. The intelligence agents will have compromising pictures of the person. Pictures that often involve the individual with an under aged person, sometimes a child.

    From that point onward, the intelligence agents now have blackmail on the individual. Using that blackmail, they then begin to extract various favors.

    So when you ask how “Larry Ray” could’ve compelled so many of these college kids to work for him, I think it’s because he had sexual blackmail. He had pictures of them inadvertently doing sexual things while very high&drunk.

    Why didn’t the college kids go to authorities?

    In many cases, the college kids were worried that they’d be exposed as a sexual predator/pedophile and be ruined for life (kicked out of school, jail time, etc). Better to be blackmailed than ruined.

    In some cases, when parents found out that there were pictures of their kid doing something bad, the parents didn’t want anything bad to happen. So they cooperated with the blackmailer.

    You think the above is so far fetched?

    Well, that’s what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. From the early 90s up through the summer of 2019, he got away with it. Almost 30 years.

    So why is it so implausible to believe that other intelligence agents might’ve had their own blackmail operations?

    If you want to understand these issues in more depth, watch this documentary on the “Finders.”

    The “Finders” were a cult who sexually abused children. The cult was involved with child sexual trafficking, both domestically and overseas. Two of their members were arrested in an early morning in February, while in the company of a group of starved children in a park in Tallahassee, Florida.

    Upon further investigation, it was discovered that the cult leader was a former Air Force sergeant. He was married (at the time) to a woman who had been a CIA agent for a decade. His son was playing for a CIA-owned airline at the time. The cult apparently derived some of their income from working for a CIA-owned company.

    Watch the documentary about the “Finders” here. It gets very interesting from 1:40-3:10.

    Why would the CIA be involved in child trafficking? Partly for money, but also for blackmail operations.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if “Larry Ray” invited some of these college kids to an off-campus “party,” got the college kids extremely loaded on alcohol and drugs, induced the college kids into sexual activity with children, and then blackmailed the college kids with pictures afterward.

    From then on, the college kids were now CIA-owned assets. They also were assets owned by “Larry Ray.”

    • Replies: @PaceLaw
  104. strocky says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    He’s on the Owsley Stanley III Diet.
    https://eatmeatdrinkwater.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/the-bears-words-of-wisdom.pdf

    Owsley was also a loon, though possibly not a con man, mileswmathis says definitely a Spook, some would say Peterson is also a Spook.
    Anyhow, the Bear’s Meat Diet does stack up, in my opinion, so unless Peterson is a psychopath, he may finally be waking up to himself.

  105. duncsbaby says:
    @Jack D

    Llama? Did someone say llama?

  106. Hhsiii says:
    @ScarletNumber

    He was a comp lit professor with a specialty in mythology, especially the hero’s journey type. George Lucas used it in Star Wars, and other Hollywood types did, too. A multi part interview by Bill Moyers on PBS was a hit in the ‘80s. He was known for the pop psychology insight “follow your bliss.”

    He wasn’t extremely famous but well-known in a pbs Ken Burns, Garrison Keillor way.

    You could just google/wiki that.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  107. Dissident says:
    @TelfoedJohn

    Speaking of cult leaders, what’s going on with Jordan Peterson? Holed up in Russia, hooked on tranquillisers, on some quack beef-only diet. Is there anyone more qualified to give young people advice?

    Peterson may not be the best role model but isn’t the advice he gave, for the most part, more good than bad?

  108. Jack D says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have the neighborhood vibes totally backward. Sarah Lawrence likes to say that it is in Bronxville, which is an extremely upscale suburb. Lush green trees, manicured lawns, expensive houses. Most of Yonkers is a dump but that one corner of it, cut off from the rest of the city by highways and far from the historic core of the city, is a suburban enclave.

    MIT is located in a (formerly) gritty industrial area, with some (formerly) working class housing and (existing) public housing projects. It’s gentrifying now but it still has an urban feel to it. The MIT Campus Police (yes they have their own police force – the Boston Bombers killed one of them. Actually cops, not security guards) is constantly dealing with homeless people wandering onto the campus and youts stealing bikes and that kind of thing. The Sarah Lawrence campus is quiet and isolated and the rich suburban neighbors don’t wander onto the campus to steal laptops.

    Sarah Lawrence has been co-ed for 50 years.

  109. Hhsiii says:
    @Jack D

    That’s incredible. That one stretch isn’t so bad. Didn’t have a ghetto feel, but you are awfully close to it there. Not sure what the breaking and entering rate is there. I think that place was gated. Would make for a great air BnB stay.

    I haven’t been to X20, Xaviars on the Hudson, that glass box restaurant by the river, but would like to some time. I remember an episode of Anthony Bourdain’s show where he and Bill Murray eat there.

  110. @JohnnyWalker123

    “A high proportion of “cult leaders” are agents of various intelligence agencies, such as the CIA and Israeli Mossad.”

    Not always. What use would the Hare Krishnas be? But they got George Harrison to buy them a mansion. In the 70s UK a lot of cults attracted people who’d lost the Christianity they were raised with and taken too many drugs. Literally lost souls.

    The Austrian sex-cult leader slept with his followers, then in time with their young daughters. A hippy/feminist cult on some Irish island was also said to feature people sleeping with kids. I met an anarchist hippy “convoy” leader (there were no “leaders”, of course, perish the thought) who was like a polygamous tribal chief as far as the girls were concerned.

    But I’m not sure what use knowing what was going on would have been to MI5 or the CIA. Who’s worth blackmailing in those groups?

    Epstein/NXVIM or whatever, that’s different. The leader of the far-left Workers Revolutionary Party, whose members included Vanessa and Corin Redgrave, also had a taste for young female comrades – he’d have perhaps been a target, though the girls were of full age.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Healy#Implosion_of_the_WRP

    “Ken Livingstone, the Labour Party left-winger who later became Mayor of London, said he believed in 1994 that the split was the work of MI5.”

  111. jill says:
    @ATBOTL

    Wow…did not know. Jerry has a persona bordering on “manic”. In talking to you, he could focus for about 90 seconds, then walk away.

    Probably one of the most prolific and successful case makers I ever came across.

    While in the NYDETF, Jerry would set up reverse undercover operations whereby, the undercover would “flash” a multi quantity of cocaine offering it for sale. Jerry would always set the deal up in Passaic County far from the New York office. Passaic County would join in the operation in order to receive a percentage of the money that was seized. Worked out well for Passaic County by building their new headquarters with their share of seized drug money.

  112. PaceLaw says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Yeah, young, naive and sheltered snowflakes were no match for a seasoned grifter. He made short work of them.

  113. PaceLaw says:
    @Malenfant

    Thanks for sharing the grand jury charges. I thought the news reports may have been embellished, but seeing what was presented in court pretty much confirms everything.

  114. PaceLaw says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Aren’t you a little over the top with all the CIA/Mossad conspiracy theory stuff, friend? Like they have nothing better to do than (allegedly) shake down middle to upper-class families for a few hundred grand at a time? Nothing but peanuts for such powerful organizations and surely not worthy of being the otherworldly, James Bond-type villains that you describe.

    Also, you say “in many cases, the college kids were worried that they’d be exposed as a sexual predator/pedophile and be ruined for life (kicked out of school, jail time, etc). Better to be blackmailed than ruined.” How the heck would your typical 18, 19-year-old student be thought of as a pedophile or sex predator? That makes no sense as they are not in the power position. From the allegations at SLC, I can see how the students could be blackmailed, but definitely not for being pedophiles or predators.

  115. @Hhsiii

    You could just google/wiki that.

    Of course I could, but if you read for comprehension I wasn’t asking who he was. Rather, I was asking if he was famous, which is a different question. There are plenty of nobodies with Wikipedia pages.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
  116. moshe says:
    @Cucksworth

    Jordan Peterson’s wife died? I figured it was Munchausen.

    I tried – twice – to watch Peterson on youtube since he became all the rage but couldn’t manage more than a minute. It wasn’t WHAT he was saying, it was his certitude, his immense unhappiness, his voice and his face.

    He seemed like the demidemon who runs Purgatory. Actually, he seemed like someone who viewed Life as Purgatory and was offering to lift his spaz army out of their personal hells into his cult of purgatory.

    Anyway, I still know nothing about him but about a week ago I saw a headline somewhere saying that he went into rehab because his wife had cancer. It linked to a video by his daughter, of which I was able to manage a full 2 minutes which gave me the impression that they were a family of mental invalids forever chasing Munchausen’s ambulance.

    Being as I didn’t like the guy (and have now spent more time writing this comment than I have given thought to him ever before) I’m glad his cult nonsense will lose its grip so that I don’t have to see his name so often.

    That’s also how I choose my presidents. I prefer the more annoying one lose.

    So I opposed Kerry, McCain, Romney and Hillary and won every time!

  117. Hhsiii says:
    @ScarletNumber

    Apologies, I meant what I was saying was really pretty much just what you’d get if you googled him. I pretty much knew it off the top of my head but had gone to wiki just to confirm.

    At the time, in the ‘80s when he did the PBS series, I knew who he was even though I wasn’t particularly paying attention, so fairly well-known.

  118. @hhsiii

    Let me save everybody else the trouble of saying it.

    It’s got to be a hell of a rack at that rate.

  119. @JohnnyWalker123

    ” If you seemed aggressive with the students, then the university would’ve been quickly alerted and you would’ve been dealt with firmly.”

    Do you have proof of this or is it just conjecture?

  120. And less than a week later Kerik is in the news because he has accepted a pardon from Donald Trump.

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