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Marginal Revolution blogger Tyler Cowen interviews Oxford professor of feminist philosophy Amia Srinivasan, who is promoting her book with the hubba-hubba title The Right to Sex. An interesting exchange:

COWEN: Should women’s chess, as a segregated activity, continue to exist? We don’t segregate chess tournaments by race or by anything — sometimes by age — but anything other than gender. Yet women’s chess is a whole separate thing. Should that be offensive to us? Or is that great?

SRINIVASAN: I don’t really have a view on that.

COWEN: But you’re opposed to segregation more generally, right? Isn’t it odd not to have a view on that?

SRINIVASAN: No, I don’t think it’s odd to not have a view on something about which there has been a great deal of ink spilled. There are philosophers and theorists of games and sports in general, who spend a lot of time thinking about how we should organize competitions, gaming competitions in particular. I don’t know what it means to be opposed to segregation as such.

I’m opposed to racial segregation. That is true. I’m not opposed to other forms of “segregation,” like age segregation. I think, for example, that it’s okay that nightclubs shouldn’t allow kids under 18 if you’re in this country, or under 21. I think there are interesting questions here. I don’t play chess, and I don’t follow competitive chess, so I don’t really have a view.

I haven’t played chess since the 1990s when I kept getting checkmated by my Palm Pilot device in 7 or 8 moves. But even I know that Judit Polgar made it to 8th in world in the 2000s, but, on the other hand, no woman is close to that level now. The popular Queen’s Gambit TV show is about a fictitious pretty young woman with a Bobby Fischer-like career in the 1960s. It was nominated for some of last weekend’s Emmys, so the general topic of women in chess is in the news.

My general view on women-only chess tournaments: people organize competitions to have fun, so presumably women-only chess tournaments add to the fun that the participants get out of life more than not having women-only tournaments and the best women just losing to the best men over and over again.

I support the right to fun, even when it undermines feminist ideology.

This raises an interesting question regarding my perpetual topic of why some forecasts are more interesting than other forecasts. People like wondering about the future and trying to be right in guessing winners. But people get bored when the winners are too obvious. For instance, in the mid-20th century there was a popular exhibition football game just before the regular season held annually in Chicago’s Soldier Field. It matched the previous year’s NFL champion professional football team vs. the previous year’s College All-American.

This was an era when many All-Americans didn’t go on to play pro football, so it was the last chance to see some stars before they went off to law school or whatever. Initially, the pro team usually won, but the the college all stars broke through enough to keep it interesting. Over time, though, as the NFL turned into the Biggest Thing in America, the annual game became a wipe-out. Finally, in the mid-70s, the mighty Pittsburgh Steelers were thrashing the rookies when a torrential lighting downpour broke out in the 3rd quarter. That game was never resumed, and for that matter, the series was never resumed because the result had gotten too predictable and thus boring.

In some sports, handicaps are used to keep competitions hard to predict. Amateur golfers have elaborately calculated handicaps to give the lousier golfer a fighting chance to win the bet.

Horseracing has handicap races in which the faster horses are assigned more weight to carry, with the intention of, ideally, having all the horses arrive at the finish line in a dead heat. In other races, there can be traditional fixed advantages such as mares carrying 2 pounds less.

But there are limits to the popularity handicapping big time sports competitions because it interferes with a second fun question: Who is The Best?

Handicap races are more popular in the UK than in the US. The Kentucky Derby, for example, is not a handicap race. All the entrants carry 126 pounds. Casual fans can watch to find out who is the Winner of the Kentucky Derby, while more hard-core fans can play the odds to see if they can outsmart the other bettors.

Similarly, casual fans watch the Super Bowl to see who is the NFL champion, while more serious fans can test their expertise by betting the point spread, which bookies set to attract half the money to each team.

An interesting question is why there has been virtually no public demand for handicap matches between male and female athletes. Why not finish Wimbledon with the men’s and women’s champions playing for the overall Wimbledon title under handicap rules giving the woman a big advantage?

The last big handicap battle of the sexes in tennis that I can recall was in 1992:

A pay-per-view telecast, the match was played on Friday night, September 25, under hybrid rules to make it more competitive; [Jimmy] Connors was allowed only one serve per point, and [Martina] Navratilova was allowed to hit into half of the doubles alleys. Each player received a \$650,000 guarantee, with a further \$500,000 for the winner. Connors won 7–5, 6–2, as Navratilova made eight double faults and 36 unforced errors. Connors, too, was nervous and there was a rumor that he had placed a bet on himself to win at 4:1. According to Connors’ book The Outsider, he placed a million-dollar bet that he would lose no more than eight games.

Which he won, but just barely.

It’s widely thought that middle-aged tennis hustler Bobby Riggs threw his Battle of the Sexes match with Billie Jean King in 1973.

My guess is that a handicap male vs. female finale event between, say, Wimbledon champions would ruin the mood established by the preceding tournament in which the questions have been: Who is the greatest man in tennis? Who is the greatest woman?

Men and women amateur golfers can perfectly well play fair handicap matches. They probably happen tens of thousands of times per year, but not that often. People like competing against their own sex and cooperating with the opposite sex. E.g., husband-wife doubles team competitions are popular in club golf, and the mixed doubles championship has been held at Wimbledon since the 19th Century.

Male vs. female chess tournaments could be handicapped with, say, the man getting fewer pawns. But Polgar was so legitimately competitive at the world-class level that chess is kind of stuck in a situation where it seems like the current situation in which de facto men’s tournaments are open to both sexes while women have their own sex-segregated tournaments makes sense without handicap inter-sex matches. But in another generation, maybe we’ll know whether or not Polgar was historically unique or the beginning to a trend toward top women.

But, in general, battles of the sexes are not very galvanizing to the public. It’s almost as if there will be no final victor in the battle of the sexes because there is too much fraternizing with the enemy.

Obviously, I’ve thought vastly harder about how to organize interesting competitions between men and women than Dr. Srinivasan has. A cynic might point out that is a long-standing sex difference between boys and girls: boys tend to obsess over improving the rules of their competitions, while girls don’t. They just don’t find it terribly interesting.

It’s perhaps not a coincidence that the people who invented the rules of most major sports of the 21st Century, 19th Century English-speaking men, almost invented the rules of most political systems of the 21st Century, such as parliamentarianism?

But why would a professor feminist philosophy want to wonder about that?

 
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  1. There are philosophers and theorists of games and sports

    So much for philosophy ….

  2. Mr. Sailer, have you mixed up your drug regimen lately?

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Troll: Polistra
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  3. Men and women have different tendencies. These manifest almost as rules at the extremes. They mean less than those who extrapolate from extremes think they do in normal life, but they still mean something. End of topic.

    • Replies: @ANon
  4. TGGP says: • Website

    I’d just like to note that the more stereotypically male mind of economist Robin Hanson provides some support to her with “Why Have Opinions?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  5. Cortes says:

    Questions about open competition seem to focus on activities traditionally associated with men – the amusing part of Andy Kaufman’s Intergender Wrestling Championship bouts was, Shirley, his glee at trouncing some petite coed who had slim to zero chance of creating an upset. Have men ever pushed for invoices in knitting or embroidery competitions? If not, why not?

    • Replies: @Cortes
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @TheJester
  6. The best thing about women’s chess is that, since they don’t have to jump, dive, or hit, the players can sit across from each other in frilly lingerie with their hair falling about their shoulders instead of wearing polyester sportswear and sunglasses with little tight ponytails.*

    * (Women’s beach volleyball is the most over-rated women’s activity on the planet, but instructively the WPGA also wears polyester sportswear and sunglasses with little tight ponytails.)

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @JimDandy
  7. raga10 says:

    My position is that sports are segregated by sex because men typically have a physical advantage. But since I believe women are intellectually men’s equals, I see no reason to segregate games of chess, purely intellectual exercise.

    As it turns out, women *are* seriously under-represented in chess. One day they will catch up, or maybe they won’t. Who cares? It’s just a game and a computer will now trash the best of them anyway.

  8. theMann says:

    Woman only chess tournaments great idea – it would let people meet three or four of the nicest girls in the State.

    • Replies: @Cortes
  9. Cortes says:
    @Cortes

    For “invoices” read “involvement”.

  10. You typically have one woman in the Top 100, very occasionally 2. As expected, the current top woman, Hou Yifan, is #82 overall. No woman except Judit Polgar (for a few months, anyway) ever made it into the top 10.

    It’s interesting how chess perfectly reflects the 2% ratio that Charles Murray found for the sex distribution in elite-level human accomplishment historically. These observations just keep getting vindicated over and over again, across so many different domains.

    • Agree: JLK, northeast
    • Replies: @Polistra
  11. the current situation in which de facto men’s tournaments are open to both sexes while women have their own sex-segregated tournaments makes sense without handicap inter-sex matches.

    This is the solution for all athletic competitions in which there is controversy about transexual competitors. This eliminates the false claim that that trans athletes are “excluded” from competition.

    • Replies: @guest007
  12. Stogumber says:

    One of my pet theories about science is: Male scientists are more competition-oriented, not only in STEM diciplines like medicine (who finds the cure against cancer?) but as well in the humanities (who makes the perfect edition of that author?) Therefore male scientists are interested in creating strict rules about what is in scientifical competitions allowed and not allowed.
    The majority of female scientists are much less competition-oriented, which leads to the now ongoing neglection of scientifical rules and quality measures.

    • Replies: @raga10
  13. Cortes says:
    @theMann

    A former colleague was recruited to play Bridge (and went on to a successful career) when he was at that gauche 17-year-old stage. By a group of matronly women.

  14. No, I don’t think it’s odd to not have a view

    Well, if even the Dots are splitting their infinitives now…

    But in another generation, maybe we’ll know whether or not Polgar was historically unique or the beginning to a trend toward top women.

    The Polgár sisters are very unique historically, like their counterparts Mozart and Tiger Woods. Yes, they came from the right ethnic groups and families, the Polgárs being a Jewish-Hungarian-Ukrainian mix, ideal cross-breeding for chess.

    But the primary genetic advantage of all five was having an obsessive father who put them through an industrial-strength training regimen at a very early age. Their “10,000 hours” were complete by the time their rivals’ had just begun. Add to that the complementary trait of being able to go with the flow torrent without cracking, and you’ve got a recipe for extreme success.

    I haven’t read the Polgárs’ report cards, but Wolf and Tiger are notorious for letting off steam through brattiness.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Not Raul says:

    Obviously, I’ve thought vastly harder about how to organize interesting competitions between men and women than Dr. Srinivasan has. A cynic might point out that is a long-standing sex difference between boys and girls: boys tend to obsess over improving the rules of their competitions, while girls don’t. They just don’t find it terribly interesting.

    It’s perhaps not a coincidence that the people who invented the rules of most major sports of the 21st Century, 19th Century English-speaking men, almost invented the rules of most political systems of the 21st Century, such as parliamentarianism?

    Was autism relatively common among the British gentry?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. @Cortes

    Have men ever pushed for invoices in knitting or embroidery competitions? If not, why not?

    Women are far better than men at typing. Yet men dominate at the top in competitions. Not to mention in the more unusual tangents:

    Set just this last year, Mr. Vinod Kumar Chaudhary managed to type out 103 characters in just over 43 seconds using nothing more than his nose.

    The World’s Fastest Typists

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
  17. I did not know much about Wittgenstein and found this article from a few days ago very interesting:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2021/09/ludwig-wittgenstein-a-mind-on-fire

    Wittgenstein was obsessed with issues that I’m sure this ditz thinks are totally BORING!
    The meaning of Mathematics? BORING! Making sense of language? BORING!
    Did Wittgenstein ever consider really interesting philosophical questions like: How do women feel about their bodies? What should society do about the oppression of women by beauty standards? How can we expunge Patriarchy and replace it by Matriarchy? And of course Sex! Women have a Right To Sex ( with whomever they want Sex with!). Men have no Right To. Sex. They only have the obligation to humbly engage in sex with women who want sex with them!

  18. @Chrisnonymous

    Women’s beach volleyball is the most over-rated women’s activity on the planet,

    They could fix that with the simple introduction of a minimum cup size.

    • Replies: @Escher
    , @Econ101
  19. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @SimplePseudonymicHandle

    Right. E.g. take this sentence:

    They probably happen tens of thousands of times per year, but not that often.

  20. Anonymous[119] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    C’mon Reg, you know unique can’t be modified.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Replies: @I, Libertine
    , @Reg Cæsar
  21. raga10 says:
    @Stogumber

    The majority of female scientists are much less competition-oriented

    You think that females are less competitive than males? Have you ever met a woman?!?

    (it reminds me of that old joke where three nerds are shown a picture of a pretty girl in a bikini and asked “what is this?: Their replies are, “a JPG”, “Quake monster?”, and “no idea…”)

  22. Thomm says:
    @raga10

    But since I believe women are intellectually men’s equals, I see no reason to segregate games of chess, purely intellectual exercise.

    Why do you believe this? Of the top 100 Chess Grandmasters at any given time, about two are women, usually near the bottom of the list.

    Chess does not require physical strength or hand-eye coordination, so the underperformance by women in physical sports should not affect Chess.

    Chess also has no barrier to entry. Little girls can practice with each other until they all become really good. Men cannot stop that even if there was any truth to that particular feminist lie of men conspiring to hold women back from playing chess.

    So revise your erroneous belief.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  23. Polistra says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Naturally, then, in any competition where everyone agrees that women are at a clear disadvantage, they should be segregated for their own comfort.

    Devil’s in the details, though: which ones, exactly? And what if some women object, on either side of the divide? I guarantee you that some will.

    Then, of course, there is the issue to which Reg alludes above: unequal distributions, as we have with IQ. But that reminds people of distribution curves, which are now Not Science.

  24. @TGGP

    You guys joke but actually sports is one of the few remaining subjects for discussion that remains. Anything remotely political–and trannies competing in women’s sports is political but really who really cares–is dead for talking about. But we can talk about sports. We can even talk about black quarterbacks and white cornerbacks. To me one of the most interesting questions right now in the entire world that can be discussed in public without concern about getting your name on a list (or worse): who gets their season-ending-injury first, David Carr or Teddy Bridgewater?

    I bet Bridgewater but no way Carr makes it past week 10.

  25. I’m opposed to racial segregation. That is true. I’m not opposed to other forms of “segregation,” like age segregation.

    I don’t know, but i suspect, that Amia Srinivasan is ok with Indians having all Indian–or even all Tamil Brahmin–organizations, but is against say actual English people having all English organizations.

  26. You mention horse racing so I’ll note again that it is the only sport that truly pits males against females.

    There are plenty of female jockeys (though more so in Australia/NZ than the US) and even more significantly there are some highly successful female trainers. These trainers are competing against men based on the ability to run a stable, which is a hugely complex business and sporting operation. Much more complex than chess, I’d argue.

    By the way there are no races that are only open to female jockeys or horses managed by female trainers, and it probably would be considered a major insult to suggest one.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Brutusale
  27. @Reg Cæsar

    From your link:

    Typing the alphabet from A-Z
    In 2012, Mohd. Kursheed Hussain set the world record for typing the alphabet with spaces between each letter, managing to clock a time of 3.43 seconds.

    Math genius Bobby Shen could type the alphabet (without spaces) in about 1 second. I think he beat 1 second a few times.

    https://www.imo-official.org/participant_r.aspx?id=21544

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @El Dato
  28. Zpaladin says:

    I’m fine with separate leagues for the sexes. Just like separate ages, weight classes or disabilities.
    What I am not fine with is if the U-16 champs said they were better than the Premier League or the NIT champs better than the NBA ALL STARS. Or saying the Special Olympics should get as much attention and revenue and sponsorship as the real olympics.
    But for some reason, we have to believe that women are as good as men, even if the women’s marathon “winner” finishes after the first 100 men.
    And if there are sec handicaps, why not racial ones? Wasn’t there an idea of lower baskets in the NBA for Asian players? It would increase underrepresented minorities.

  29. Handicap races are more popular in the UK than in the US. The Kentucky Derby, for example, is not a handicap race. All the entrants carry 126 pounds.

    The Kentucky Derby, or its English equivalent–The Derby–are non handicap races because they are more about bloodstock, in other words selecting the best horses to breed for the future, and therefore these races are for colts and do not include geldings.

    Derby winners usually retire from racing in the same season that they win the Derby, and go straight to stud. They only return to racing if they fail at stud, for which their reward is to be transgendered as a punishment for costing their owners a lot of money

    Handicap races are mainly intended as a betting medium. If races were not handicapped, they would get very boring, as the best horses would win all the time and this would be predictable.

    So beating the handicap system becomes an elaborate game in which the trainers of horses first get their horses handicapped lightly and then find ways of improving their performance, so that they can win a series of races, even when carrying penalties for previous recent wins.

    This is why there is so much cheating in horse racing. There is not much money to be made by backing an odds on favorite, but when a horse at 10/1 odds romps home, then there can be big winnings for those who have backed that horse knowing that its performance is likely to be much better than the previous form that it has shown.

    Trainers in horse racing have a lot of insider knowledge, because they can see how horses perform against other horses of a known quality in training, and know when they are ready to win.

  30. SafeNow says:

    I read about this maybe 20 years ago. The “it’s purely cultural” advocates said that little boys are encouraged by the society to start competing in chess at age 6 or so while their brains are wiring whereas it’s a stigma for little girls. Then, in reply, others said let’s look at rated Scrabble players in Australia, because that removes the stigma factor…there is no Scrabble sex stigma. They found that rated Scrabble players were equally distributed by sex. So, the conclusion was it’s purely culture and stigma-related. But wait. Then they looked at the absolute tippy-top of the Scrabble ratings and they found out that these were men. Thus, at the super-elite level, something exists in the wiring of the male brain in scrabble, which, like chess, has a big spatial component.

    This is reminiscent of what Larry Summers said that got him fired as president of Harvard. He opined that at the far far far end of the right tail, in the stem fields, men have better wiring.

    As I have posted before, by the way, I have played online chess against hundreds of Russians, and they tend toward what chess players call “quiet moves.” Americans, by contrast, are more impetuous, even risky. I can’t prove it, but I suspect that one can extrapolate from this to their respective leaders.

  31. BTW, while “i don’t have an opinion on that” is a fine answer, her demurral here is pretty pathetic.

    She poses as philosopher–has an academic position–and has written a book “The Right to Sex” … and can’t reason on the fly from her principles, to an opinion about women’s chess tournaments?

    How lame is that?

    And one would hope, that we’d have “philosophers” whose default response would be “sure, why not?”
    But in this totalitarian age?

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Econ101
  32. dearieme says:

    The Right to Sex

    Does she explain who has the duty to provide it?

  33. “This raises an interesting question regarding my perpetual topic of why some forecasts are more interesting than other forecasts.”

    It has always fascinated me how much Ray Bradbury hit Fahrenheit 451 so right on the screws except he didn’t foresee the miniaturization of electronics (instead of a device in your hand, everyone’s field of awareness was taken up by wall-sized tvs. Otherwise, he nailed it so many ways.)

  34. Mike Tre says:

    I can’t believe you deleted that comment Sailer. That is just ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  35. raga10 says:
    @Thomm

    Why do you believe this? Of the top 100 Chess Grandmasters at any given time, about two are women, usually near the bottom of the list.

    I know women are under-represented in chess, I said so myself. So why do I believe women are intellectually equal to men? Because there is more to life than chess.
    I also know a number of articles were written about why women under-perform in chess; you can look them up if you want to see what their arguments are. Personally I’m just not that bothered.

  36. There’s no good way to handicap Chess. Even if you just take out a weak pawn like f2, the strategies become entirely different, and it may work out better for White anyway. Go has a natural handicapping system that doesn’t change the strategy. If the learner (Black) is up against a much stronger player, they/she/he/other can get as many as nine stones before the play starts:

  37. @Known Fact

    There were celebrity female jockeys in the US in the 1970s but not so much lately.

    • Agree: Wendy K. Kroy
    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @Known Fact
  38. @raga10

    Because there is more to life than chess.

    Sophia Polgár thought so:

    [László] Polgár’s daughters all became excellent chess players, but Sophia, the least successful of the three, who became the sixth-best woman player in the world, quit playing and went on to study painting and interior design and to focus on being a housewife and mother.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Polg%C3%A1r#Education_and_career

    As did her mother, explicitly:

    Polgár said in 1992 that he now wanted “to break the racial barriers in the virtually all-white chess world” by adopting “a black infant from the Third World” whom he would train to become a chess prodigy. Susan recalled in 2005 that, about 15 years earlier, “a very nice Dutch billionaire named Joop van Oosterom” had offered to help Polgár “adopt three boys from a developing country and raise them exactly as they raised us.” Polgár, according to Susan, “really wanted to do it, but my mother talked him out of it. She understood that life is not only about chess and that all the rest would fall on her lap.

    How many girls take it this far?

    Although Polgár was criticized in some quarters for encouraging his daughters to focus so intensely on chess, the girls later said that they had enjoyed it all. Polgár “once found Sophia in the bathroom in the middle of the night, a chessboard balanced across her knees.” “Sophia, leave the pieces alone!” he told her. “Daddy, they won’t leave me alone!” she replied.

  39. @raga10

    My son played in numerous chess tournaments over the years and it was always heavily male-dominated. But there were girls who played, and won. Some of these tournaments had mixed ages too… adults playing against little prodigies who would make a move, and then pull out a Thomas train and start pushing it around the table. Choo, choo! It was quite humbling for the adults.

    Anyway, I wonder at what age the girls and women get separated out from the males?

    • Replies: @keypusher
  40. nglaer says:

    Of course women masters do play in mixed tournaments, where half the participants are nerdy young guys. There is one, cute enough but no beauty, who can be counted on to show her cleavage to unnerve her teenage opponents.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  41. A Women only Fields Medal winner club should also be formed for females who prefer to be like Garbo.

  42. No, I don’t think it’s odd to not have a view on something about which there has been a great deal of ink spilled. There are philosophers and theorists of games and sports in general, who spend a lot of time thinking about how we should organize competitions, gaming competitions in particular. I don’t know what it means to be opposed to segregation as such.

    I’m not sure if an Oxford philosopher (who holds the chair that Isaiah Berlin once held) ducking out of answering a philosophical question by pleading ignorance is a good thing or a bad thing.

    • Replies: @New Dealer
  43. @Anonymous

    Would “truly unique” be redundant? Dunno. But very unique or kinda unique? Makes no sense.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  44. @Anonymous

    …you know unique can’t be modified.

    In the numerator. You neglect the denominator.

    當歸屬 (Dang Guishu) spends a year as an exchange student in Angelica, N.Y., pop. 869, then returns to China (pop. 1,446,145,400). She is unique as a Mandarin speaker in her school.

    She is “uniquer” as a roque player in her homeland.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  45. El Dato says:

    Chess is not “sports”. It is, however, a “game” centering around computation & optimization that can be used in competition.

    Does anyone know how the females are doing in Go? Much harder on neural networks of all kind.

    Meanwhile sports. RT brings a lot of really good looking sportswomen unabashedly competing on Instagram for reasons that remain entirely opaque to me, but also:

    [MORE]

    ‘Equality is great, until it isn’t’: All-boys netball team face ‘vulgar abuse’ after beating female rivals in Australia (VIDEO)

    An Australian netball association has hit out at the actions of some fans after a boys team, the Queensland Suns, received a torrent of abuse after beating several female rivals to win the under-18 state title.

    The coach of the Queensland Suns, Tammy Holcroft, revealed to Australian media in the aftermath of the team’s success in the state championship that several “vulgar comments” had been made towards the team after they stormed to victory by a margin of 46-12 in last weekend’s final, and comes after the team was granted entry to the competition after taking part in exhibition games the year prior.

    Austrian climber ‘DELETES Instagram account’ after row over close-up shots of buttocks during World Championships in Moscow

    Climber Johanna Farber appears to have removed herself from Instagram after a sexism scandal erupted at the recent World Championships in Moscow when a broadcaster showed close-up shots of the Austrian’s backside.

    The International Federation of Sport Climbing (IFSC) was forced to apologize when questionable camerawork lingered on some chalk handprints on Farber’s rear during the women’s boulder event.

    “The IFSC condemns the objectification of the human body and will take further action in order for it to stop, and to protect the athletes,” said the organization.

    That will show them. My body, my wall! But she seems nice.

    Realism from before COVID:

    ‘It’s stupid, men are stronger!’ Siberian combat sports champion on ‘intergender’ MMA fights

    Russian hand-to-hand combat champion Daria Nirkova, dubbed ‘the new face of Siberian MMA’, says the prospect of ‘intergender’ MMA fights and champions is “stupidity” as “men are stronger than women”.

    Recently UFC featherweight and bantamweight champion Henry Cejudo [recently] called out female UFC flyweight champion Valentina Shevchenko for a fight to become ‘intergender champion’. What do you make of that?

    I think it’s stupidity, because men are stronger than women in any case. How unprepared she would be! A woman is a woman.

    Noadays we have ex-military transgender with pink hair in “women-on-women” combat with assured outcomes. The times they are a-changing!

  46. Anon[560] • Disclaimer says:

    In organized chess competitions, women, and men, are assigned opponents who are near them in their ELO ratings, which are computed based on a formula similar to IQ, using a statistical distribution measurement (originally a Bell curve, but later changed to a distribution curve closer to the distribution shown in the actual data).

    As you win, lose, and draw, your rating changes and your opponents become weaker or stronger. Women still play mostly men because of the lopsided sex ratio of chess competitions, but they play plenty of women at their level over time. If “fun” is defined as playing against someone of the same sex, then I suppose chess tournaments are not maximally fun for women, but if you define it as not getting your ass wiped every game, the rating-based opponent assignment of chess tournaments makes them equally fun for men and women.

    Here’s a recent woman on woman game in an informal game in Los Angeles between a little girl and a FIDE master in Los Angeles:

    Here’s the same FIDE master, Qiyu Zhou, losing against an adult male, William Duckworth, who is also a FIDE master, who is holding a chihuahua (a distraction trick that Spassky tried in Reykyavik until Fischer lodged a protest):

    • Agree: Wendy K. Kroy
    • Replies: @Blade
  47. D. K. says:

    “It’s widely thought that middle-aged tennis hustler Bobby Riggs threw his Battle of the Sexes match with Billie Jean King in 1973.”

    It is usually forgotten (or else, deliberately avoided) that, just a few months earlier, he had whipped the top-ranked women’s tennis player:

    ***

    In 1973, Riggs saw an opportunity to both make money and draw attention to the sport of tennis. He came out of retirement to challenge one of the world’s greatest female players to a match, claiming that the female game was inferior and that a top female player could not beat him, even at the age of 55. He challenged Margaret Court, 30 years old and the top female player in the world, and they played on May 13, Mother’s Day, in Ramona, California. Riggs used his drop shots and lobs to keep Court off balance;[24][25] his easy 6–2, 6–1 victory in less than an hour landed him on the cover of both Sports Illustrated and Time magazine.[25][26] The match was called the “Mother’s Day Massacre”.[27]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Riggs#Battle_of_the_Sexes

    • Replies: @ziggurat
    , @keypusher
  48. Has anyone ever attempted to play chess as a team sport? For example, by having two team members either alternate making the moves for their side without collaborating with one another, or else collaborating together on each move.

    It would be interesting to see if good chess strategy can be team based, or if it has to be the product of a single mind. (My guess is the latter.)

    But if it could be played as a team sport, they could have mixed gender teams.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    , @Kman
  49. El Dato says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    Math genius Bobby Shen could type the alphabet (without spaces) in about 1 second.

    Huh?

  50. @raga10

    But since I believe women are intellectually men’s equals

    They may be equal by mean IQ, but men have a larger standard deviation, i.e. there are more geniuses among the males as well as more retards.

  51. “Handicap races are more popular in the UK than in the US. The Kentucky Derby, for example, is not a handicap race. All the entrants carry 126 pounds.”

    This is new to me. If all racehorses carry the same weight, then a lighter-weight jockey has no advantage. What’s the thinking with this equal-weight rule?

  52. @Hypnotoad666

    Yes, and it’s a lot of fun. Look up “bughouse chess”.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
  53. @Steve Sailer

    Julie Krone was big in the northeast in late 80s/early 90s.

  54. @nglaer

    I would have thought it would be a good idea to develop the game of strip chess along similar lines to strip poker, except that every time a player loses a piece they have to remove an item of clothing.

    I think this would induce a great surge of public interest in women’s chess, and it would be interesting to see how this affected sacrificial play, where contestants deliberately give up a piece in exchange for a positional advantage in the end game.

    This could be televised and would be known as The Mating Game.

  55. @I, Libertine

    That’s literally a good question.

  56. Anon7 says:

    Watch cutie Alexandra Botez play Russian Paul, perhaps the best of the NYC chess hustlers, in speed chess. She won the US girls nationals at 15 and is a Woman FIDE Master.

  57. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    To keep jockeys from starving themselves to death to win races?

  58. Escher says:
    @Bill Jones

    If it ain’t broken, please please don’t fix it.

  59. At chess tournaments, geeky males hover around the boards where a nice looking, generally non-highly rated female is playing. They feign serious interest in the game, as if they’re fooling anyone. It’s just pathetic.

    Co-ed schools aggravate school crappiness:

    • square dancing in gym class.
    • (straight) male teachers on the prowl.
    • gender neutral bathrooms.
    • on and on.

  60. AKAHorace says:
    @Thomm

    Chess does not require physical strength or hand-eye coordination, so the underperformance by women in physical sports should not affect Chess

    Possibly women look at Chess for the effort/reward ratio and find better things to do ?

    Men are suckers for medals, uniforms and prizes.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  61. I think that the Girls’ European Olympiad for Maths is two years old, while the equivalent for programming (Informatics) is one year old. The Romanian girls teams are already over-representing the Turkish minority, just it’s been the case for the regular national team.

    I call these the Maths Paralympics.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  62. Blade says:
    @Anon

    She is not a FIDE master, it says WGM, which should be a woman grandmaster. I think the difference should be greater than pro-athlete vs. college athlete. This means if that old dude pulled a Bruce Jenner trick, he could probably be a WGM. 🙂

    • Replies: @Anon
  63. Anonymous[502] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Raul

    Was autism relatively common among the British gentry?

    I don’t think so, but boredom and financial independence were. Men with both of those things often turn their hands to the obsessive pursuit of hobbies.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
  64. El Dato says:
    @Dacian Julien Soros

    I call these the Maths Paralympics.

    These are really different skillsets – although they overlap in the small (in particular, because programming means you have to prove little theorems all the time).

  65. Here’s a handicap – blindfolded super GM Nakamura vs Botez sisters (Alexandra’s highest ELO of 2092):

  66. Anon[295] • Disclaimer says:
    @Blade

    She is not a FIDE master, it says WGM, which should be a woman grandmaster.

    She’s both a FIDE master and a FIDE woman’s grandmaster:

    https://ratings.fide.com/profile/505161

    Duckworth is only a FIDE master, because he is not a woman:

    https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2006839

    The parallel “woman’s grandmaster” ranking is controversial:

    Though the open FIDE titles are not gender-segregated, the following four titles given by FIDE are exclusive to women and may be held simultaneously with an open title. The requirements for these titles are about 200 Elo rating points lower than the requirements for the corresponding open titles. These titles are sometimes criticized and some female players elect not to take them, preferring to compete for open titles. For example, Grandmaster Judit Polgár, in keeping with her policy of playing only open competitions, never took a women’s title.

    Zhou is also a woman’s national master in Canada, where she lived for part of high school and where she went to college, and in Finland, where she learned chess and grew up.

  67. ANon[690] • Disclaimer says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You are a female, aren’t you? 😉

  68. BB753 says:

    Wait till the transwomyn show up!

  69. Anon[690] • Disclaimer says:
    @raga10

    Women can’t compete with men in anything, be it physical related or intellected related.

    Skills were needed to battle, men (and males, because all of this applies to almost every species) had to battle with each other, first of all to access to sex, and the ability to pass on their genetic code.
    This is why they are so much taller, stronger physically and mentally.

    Of course if we take singers and actresses, women outscore men. Those voices were needed to attract prospective mates, being picked over other women, and to dissemble and deceive is the skill you have to expect to be developed the most in the physically weakest (this applies also between whole races, and the men of those races, maybe…).

    ****

    The argument that there is much more than chess in life has no bearing with what was talked about (intellectual proficiency).
    I find taking a stroll on the seaside more interesting than at least 90% of possible intelligence-requiring activities, this has no bearing with my intellectual proficiency, it doesn’t detract from it, nor does it increase it.

    If you are a woman, or you are not but want to say something good about women, intellectual proficiency should be one of the least-eastes things you should focus on.
    And if you said that they have, averagely, more understanding hearts, and that were more valuable than intellectual power for you, it’s not a given that I would disagree.

    Let’s just not stain truth driven by our sympathies of antipathies though.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  70. El Dato says:
    @Calvin Hobbes

    I would like to know more of this Matrix-tier feat as this seems that you have to upload the whole movement sequence into the spinal cord then hope to hell that it works (aka “several attempts were made”) as the brain is just too far away for timely management. Feedback loops involving the eye are right out.

    Any neuroscientists around?

    • Replies: @Calvin Hobbes
  71. @Anon

    Women outcompete men in fine motor skills such as sewing, electronics assembly, and typing.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @pyrrhus
  72. @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    There has never been any advantage to a jockey being even lighter than other jockeys, but an overweight jockey might not be able to ride horses in handicaps without carrying excess weight.

    For example if the horse is handicapped to carry 120 lb, and the jockey weighed 125 lbs, its chance of winning would be considerably reduced. After a race the jockey and the saddle (together with weights) are all weighed on the scale together. This is called the weigh-in.

  73. Anon55uu says:

    Between innings at cricket matches in Australia there used to be mixed sex 400m handicap races, which crowds enjoyed a lot. Over that distance it has a strange look to it though, with a Harpo Marx type effect. A visiting English broadcaster called it “chase the Sheila”, which stuck as a name, but sadly it was gone by about 2007.

  74. @El Dato

    Female fighters are more aware of the disparity in the fighting ability between men and women than many millenials, since they regularly train with men. Hollywood action movies, anime, video games, pop culture, diminished physical contact between girls and boys, and ideological insanity have made many otherwise sane people become detached from parts of reality.

    There’s a few youtube videos of mixed gender fights floating around, where the women seem to hold their own against men, except in all cases the men look like they’re just sparring.

    However, there’s one notable exception that’s somehow slipped past the censors: type “lucia rijker vs man” in youtube and you’ll see a real fight between Lucia Rijker, an undefeated Dutch boxer and kickboxer who smashed all competition, took home every title available to her and is widely regarded as the best female fighter ever, and Somchai Jaidee, a Thai from NZ whose name never appears before or after that fight. The guy doesn’t hold back, with predictable results.

    Any non-severely handicapped, average, untrained man will seriously harm even a trained, fit woman if he seriously intends to harm her. People used to know that.

    • Thanks: El Dato
  75. @Steve Sailer

    As Scarlet Number says, Julie K was the best as far as riding with the guys — tough as nails despite serious injuries, and she had a knack for waking up underachieving horses.

    She won the Belmont on a 13-1 shot in ’93 if I recall. But my favorite Julie day was when she scored with 8-1 Crafty Alfel for me at Monmouth (I played the race from Belmont), then two hours later she helicoptered in to win a stakes race for me, in the flesh, at 12-1

    There are some decent female jockeys at smaller tracks, but they generally give it up while still young, to have kids, host the track’s TV feed or become trainers, a tough but safer job. They often marry jockeys or trainers — much like journalism, racing is a very incestuous society

  76. Anon[429] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Women outcompete men in fine motor skills such as sewing, electronics assembly, and typing.

    This is Steven Pinker’s go-to claim when he wants to show that he is not a sexist. His sister used this example in her book The Sexual Paradox: Men, Women, and the Real Gender Gap.

    But then …

    Someone dug up that the claim had been debunked by, among others, these guys:

    “Marked sex differences on a fine motor skill task disappear when finger size is used as covariate”
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2307635/

    When measures of index finger and thumb thickness were used as covariate, all significant sex differences in performance disappeared.

    Control for hand size, and everything equalizes. People are organic machines, each built to different specs, each different from the others.

    I bet one of these researchers plays the piano. You become acutely aware of how your hand is constructed when you play the piano. Can you span an octave? A ninth? With both hands? Do you have trouble hitting white keys back between the black keys? How long are your pinkies? Are they hopeless for black keys? Why the f*** can my tiny-handed female piano teacher play that wide chord when I can’t?

    There are various typing records now, but in general they are held by men. The PC ended the female domination of the “sport.”

    Another one that bit the dust: The idea that women can read facial expressions better than men.

    • Replies: @res
  77. @El Dato

    I may have misremembered that it was 1 second when it was actually 2 seconds.
    I’ll check with my source, who knew Bobby at MIT.

  78. jb says:

    Women’s chess has actually been in the news recently. Nona Gaprindashvili, the first woman Grandmaster (not “Women Grandmaster,” rather the first woman to become a straight up Grandmaster), and women’s world champion from 1962 to 1978, is suing Netflix for 5 million dollars over a line in The Queen’s Gambit where a radio announcer mentions her by name during the final game between Beth Harmon and the Russian champion and asserts — wrongly — that she “has never faced men.”

    Honestly, I think she has a case. The corresponding line in the book was “There was Nona Gaprindashvili, not up to the level of this tournament, but a player who had met all these Russian Grandmasters many times before,” and the show had consultants — including Gary Kasparov! — who would certainly have known better. I’d never heard of Nona Gaprindashvili, but even I knew that line had to be wrong the minute I heard it, as would anyone who was even a little bit serious about chess.

    Interestingly, the games in The Queen’s Gambit are all serious games, taken from actual Grandmaster play, and in some cases tweaked using computer chess engines. Here is Magnus Carlsen, current world champion, analyzing the final game in the show.

    Also interesting, in most of the pictures I’ve seen of Nona Gaprindashvili she really, really looks like a guy.

    • Replies: @raga10
    , @pyrrhus
    , @keypusher
  79. Steve Sailer: “The Kentucky Derby, for example, is not a handicap race. All the entrants carry 126 pounds.”

    Nope. Fillies carry only 121 lbs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_derby

  80. @Steve Sailer

    Women outcompete men in fine motor skills such as sewing, electronics assembly, and typing.

    The difference in bell curve tails is most evident in those fields in which women have the advantage, but men still dominate at the right. Typing is a classic example. Cooking, too.

    Women’s verbal dexterity and emotional understanding make them ideal for Broadway lyrics, a demanding field. But also competitive. Yet the list of top lyricists only includes three women– arguably two and a half: Dorothy Fields, Carolyn Leigh, and Betty Comden, the last of whom co-wrote with Adolph Green.

    Has anybody called out the metric system as sexist? It replaced all those traditional units in old cookbooks and on your refrigerator with something cooked up in a lab by the Frogs.

  81. @PiltdownMan

    On Srinavasan’s refusal to comment.

    Is someone who works to become expert in a few things competent to be an expert in all things? That verges on a simplistic and authoritarian view of expertise. Heidegger could give you good real estate advice. Plato could help you work on your feelings about your divorce. Some public intellectuals and most pundits pretend to omniscience, but that is vanity (back when I read the NYT, every time Brooks or Friedman wrote about something I knew well they were wrong — which permitted the inference that they were likely also wrong about everything I didn’t know well). Punditry is fun, I admit. And can even be valuable (Sailer, Alexander).

    I’m a pundit among friends and family. In my professional intellectual life there are a few things I know at a world-class level. Issues in my area of study that I have not mastered I do not opine upon. If I don’t know, I say so. Similarly, I am humble when commenting topics adjacent to my area of expertise.

    The expert as expert in all things is a magical Mediterranean role ideal, the expert as someone whose results arise from strenuous effort and focus on a few things is a realistic Germanic role ideal.

    Professional philosophers of analytic bent are extremely careful in their claims because they are surrounded by people who can easily destroy a peer who makes careless pronouncements.

    • Agree: PiltdownMan
    • Thanks: Cortes
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  82. BTW, has anyone called out the metric system as “sexist” and “patriarchal”? It replaced the traditional units in cookbooks and on refrigerator magnets with something cooked up in a lab by Frogs. Male frogs.

    Those old kitchen measures were likely worked out over time by many generations of women.

    • Replies: @raga10
  83. raga10 says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    BTW, has anyone called out the metric system as “sexist” and “patriarchal”?

    I am sure someone has, and I would also add ‘ableist’ to this list because using the base of 10, based on the number of fingers of able-body person it is non-inclusive of differently-fingered persons.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  84. Rob says:

    Considering how many very intelligent people use up lives that could be turned over to greater things, perhaps men should be prohibited from playing chess.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  85. Thomm says:
    @AKAHorace

    Possibly women look at Chess for the effort/reward ratio and find better things to do ?

    Yeah, that is why women are such a large percentage of the founders of tech unicorns, or the top hedge fund managers. Both are skillsets that have some correlation with the skills required for chess.

    Women never have ‘better’ things to do unless they are raising a child. Most of the free time of most women is spent stressing over the most trivial of things.

    As Anatoly Karlin correctly pointed out above, the very top of human achievement (not just physical, but cognitive as well) will only ever have 2% of the contributors as women.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  86. ziggurat says:
    @D. K.

    John McEnroe gave a funny interview in 2017, which ended with him alluding to Bobby Riggs throwing the match against Billy Jean King. And then, he quickly said “no, I’m just kidding”.

  87. @raga10

    I believe women are intellectually men’s equals

    The good thing about beliefs is that there is no logical inconsistency introduced by asserting a belief that is known to be not true.

    (Insert “some of my best friends are women” line here)

    They have different brains to men, and aren’t wired up anywhere near like men are.

    That’s half the reason the advertising industry exists, and why almost half of middle-aged white women take antidepressants (which don’t work).

    Next time you see an advertisement ask yourself if the dialogue (and the general ‘vibe’) is aimed at women (and homosexual men). It stands out like a dog’s nuts.

  88. @Thomm

    revise your erroneous belief

    I clicked ‘Agree’, but on reflection the “Agree” should have a caveat for that last sentence.

    raga10 was not asserting that women are intellectually men’s equals; he was only asserting that he believes that they are.

    People are free not to update their beliefs in the fact of new facts, because belief in a thing has nothing to do with the thing’s truth value. People who believe in things that are provably false are under no compulsion to update their beliefs, so long as they don’t conflate them with facts. (Organised religions rely crucially on people retaining such belief[s]).

    This is the ongoing tension between doxa and episteme; as has been well-understood for 2½ millennia, doxa is inferior to episteme as a way of trying to understand the world. Most people are ill-equipped for episteme, and so they stay in the cave.

    ‘False beliefs’ is almost an oxymoron, because the entire basis of doxastic logic is that there is no requirement for a belief to be a fact. Facts fall within the purview of epistemic logic: statements about knowledge require the thing known to be true (i.e., a fact).

    Had raga10 asserted that he knows that women are men’s intellectual equals, he would have been epistemically wrong (the worst kind of wrong) because the statement “women are men’s intellectual equals” is observably false.

    I fucking hate chess. It’s stupid. It prepares people to play more chess, and literally nothing else. Playing chess is like pretending to have Aspberger’s: trying to signal high IQ without passing Year 10 mathematics. (Yes, élite chess-folk are high-IQ – but the vast majority are just 1 or 2 chapters ahead of their peers in some or other chess book).

    If Judit Polgar had dedicated her high IQ to something less pointless, she could have been a poster girl for Women in STEM (for example). A slightly-chubby, Jewy-looking poster-girl is better than an nothing.

    • Replies: @Ian M.
    , @Reg Cæsar
  89. @raga10

    Five is the dopiest number that you’ll ever do.

    Those prog guys who mock America for “dragging her feet” on Napoleonization metrication are the same smug male feminists that are worse than any bra burner.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Skythe
  90. @Mike Tre

    I can’t believe you deleted that comment Sailer. That is just ridiculous.

    META.

    • LOL: El Dato
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  91. @Rob

    Considering how many very intelligent people use up lives that could be turned over to greater things, perhaps men should be prohibited from playing chess.

    Bill James has been called a great mind wasted on baseball. Well, he turned to something serious, crime analysis, and got bad reviews. Can’t please these people.

    • Replies: @Rob
  92. Right_On says:

    such as mares carrying 2 pounds less

    “Mares”? You mean “cisgender female-presenting horses”, I presume.
    /sarc

  93. raga10 says:
    @jb

    Honestly, I think she has a case.

    Do you think so? Hmm… can you sue a film maker because one of his characters says something factually incorrect? I fear for the future of entertainment if no character is allowed to be wrong.

    • Replies: @jb
  94. @New Dealer

    I’m a pundit among friends and family

    My operating principle is that anyone who has breastfed you or wiped your arse, will not view you as a pundit.

    This is not an N=1 observation: pretty much all my peers have parents who do not defer to them, even in their areas of expertise.

    you‘ herein is the generic ‘you’, not you personally.

    (Rather than people wanking about personal pronouns, it would be really useful if someone could popularise a genuinely impersonal pronoun that doesn’t sound as pretentious as ‘one‘; the pretentiousness of ‘one‘ in English even messes with my use of ‘on‘ in French, where it’s far less of an affectation)

  95. @El Dato

    46-12

    That’s about what I would expect if the boys had spent more than a few days getting to terms with the skills required in netball.

    Now I want to see that U18 team take on the current championship team (I have no idea who that is).

    Netballers have lovely physiques, but I have literally zero interest in women’s sport for the same reason I have no interest in the Commonwealth Games.

    I have seen highlights of women’s cricket on TV news: it is like watching under-12s – except that when I played under-12s they didn’t shorten the boundaries (and batsmen still hit sixes).

  96. Mike Tre says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Dunno what that means.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  97. Rob says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    If he did not cover the black elephant in the crime room, he did not write s book on crime.

    If I write a book on the complete history of crime in America, but I only cover jaywalking, have written a crime book?

    That’s two big crimes for Bill James, making baseball even more boring than it already was, and writing a book on crime that did not cover, well, crime. I know it didn’t, because I googled it, and saw he was interviewed by Chuck Klosterman. No one gets interviewed by someone in the literati if he wrote, “blacks have a savage, pre-state nature. They commit more crime because that is the sort of people they are.” My guess, James’ book’s appendix does not include “black,” and that is not because it includes “African American.”

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  98. jb says:
    @raga10

    Not just any old factually incorrect statement, but if a film maker, even in a work of fiction, knowingly says something egregiously false and damaging about about an actual person, and the context is such that viewers are likely to accept the statement as true, then I do see that as very reasonable grounds for a lawsuit. I don’t think this particular case is a slam dunk, but having read the legal complaint I do think she has a shot at winning, and if that happens I will be quite happy about it.

  99. El Dato says:
    @Mike Tre

    It’s when they change something in the Matrix.

  100. pyrrhus says:

    Women even have a world championship, held for a while by Judith Polgar’s sister, who was weaker than Judith…Judith herself absolutely refused to play in female only tournaments, because the competition is so much weaker…

  101. pyrrhus says:
    @jb

    Only problem with the show was that we only got very brief and partial glances at the positions…hard to analyze that, but when I saw Beth got a knight on f5, game was obviously over….

  102. TheJester says:
    @Cortes

    Have men ever pushed for [involvement] in knitting or embroidery competitions? If not, why not?

    Yes, they have. Although usually in the background, men are all over the landscape where women quilt, knit, sew, and embroider.

    My wife and I frequent quilting conventions (truly awe-inspiring work). I have always been surprised at the number of men who display their quilts, as well as the number of men who make a living one way or another from quilting. We have also run across men who hand knit, evidently to relieve tension after a hard day at the office.

    My wife solved the puzzle. Most of the men who make quilts or design and sell quilting patterns or make similar ventures into the “woman’s world” have engineering backgrounds. The complexity of quilt design and production evidently appeals to them. Same for knitting. Hand knitters are constantly counting against a pattern … and machine knitters have to learn something akin to coding. Other men with engineering backgrounds ease into hobbies repairing quilting, knitting, and embroidery machines in one-man shops that keep aging and out-of-production models working.

    My wife is a “full-spectrum” woman who quilts, knits, sews, and embroiders. At any given time, she has up to three sewing machines, four knitting machines, and one embroidery machine in active use. She spends a lot of time at a large screen computer “digitizing” her embroidery patterns. She even hand knits while watching TV or waiting to be served in a restaurant.

    But of note, all of the sewing, knitting, and embroidery machine “repairmen” we have encountered across the decades have been men. We value these people. The women, including my wife, just want their damn machines to work. They apparently have no interest in opening the case to troubleshoot a problem or tweak the machines by mastering their design and function.

    The differences between men and women? As the noted feminist Camille Pagalia once said,

    “If civlization has been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.”

    Thank God for women! And, as an answer to an obvious question, I admire the work but I’m not an engineer and have never thought of quilting, knitting, sewing, or embroidery. I justify my existence by solving my wife’s computer problems and, where possible, repairing her machines 🙂

  103. Econ101 says:
    @AnotherDad

    Totally agree, but my best guess here is that she does have an opinion but that she did not want to expose that opinion to public scrutiny – kind of like the two horns of dilemna where either choice could lead to a negative backlash.

    My opinion generally on women in Chess is that this kind of highly focused concentration, coupled with developed spatial modeling and strict logical reasoning, is not everyone’s cup of tea – the individuals that choose to spend their time and energy in this area are unique and perhaps a bit on the spectrum of preferring puzzles to human connection. It is not implausible to speculate that fewer women, percentage wise, have this same inclination or genetic predisposition to this kind of brain activity.

  104. Econ101 says:
    @Bill Jones

    There would be plenty of corporate sponsors for the D league womens volleyball, but awkward if this sport surpassed the open league in viewership.

  105. res says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for the finger size paper. Seems fairly convincing, but I am reluctant to take a paper with a sample of about 100 college students as gospel. Do you know of any further research?

    One thing I found interesting is that the Cohen’s d for index finger width is over 2. For comparison, I see numbers in the 1.4-1.7 range quoted for height. In this paper looking at 128 traits the only examples larger than 1 were throwing velocity and distance which were around 2.
    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.374.1723&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    More on sex differences in this comment during l’affaire Damore.
    https://www.unz.com/jthompson/google-sex/#comment-1963141

  106. AKAHorace says:
    @Thomm

    As Anatoly Karlin correctly pointed out above, the very top of human achievement (not just physical, but cognitive as well) will only ever have 2% of the contributors as women.

    Because for everyone at the very top of human achievement there are many more who have destroyed their lives trying to get there and not making it. Even if you are talented there are rational arguments for being “good enough” and having a happier personal life.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  107. pyrrhus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Not quite..e.g.Billy Wilder was a champion typist

  108. JimDandy says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Women’s beach volleyball is the most under-rated women’s activity on the planet.

  109. There can’t be many professional chess players, including authors (excluding those hacks who play in Washington Sq.). The strongest players who I ever knew turned over their lives to such great things as defense work and the schmatta business.

    I once met Larry Evans. I think he earned a modest living by writing articles and giving lectures. Perhaps he was one of those magicians who could play 15 simultaneous games while blindfolded?

  110. Thomm says:
    @AKAHorace

    Because for everyone at the very top of human achievement there are many more who have destroyed their lives trying to get there and not making it. Even if you are talented there are rational arguments for being “good enough” and having a happier personal life.

    That is the weakest of non-sequiturs.

    If only 2% of the people at the very top of human intellectual accomplishment are women, then you take that as evidence that women have happier personal lives than men.

    No one who has ever gotten outside their house thinks that. Men and women have about the same incidence of happiness in their personal lives. Arguably, men are happier.

    Yet, women still underperform in anything that requires brainpower. So their inability in brain power didn’t translate into happier personal lives for the other 98% of women. Your illogical assertion collapses in a heap.

    All evidence points to women being unable to compete at the highest levels of cognitive talent. Just because the truth makes you feel bad does not invalidate that truth.

    Quit being such a blank slatist.

  111. Ian M. says:
    @Kratoklastes

    If Judit Polgar had dedicated her high IQ to something less pointless, she could have been a poster girl for Women in STEM (for example).

    In other words, it’s a good thing she chose chess.

  112. Kman says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I can think of three variants that have a team element. One involves alternating moves, like you mentioned. Another is called “Hand and Brain”, where one team member chooses the type of piece to be moved, such as a pawn, but the other team member has to decide which pawn to move and where to move it. A third is the variant “Bughouse”, which is a fast paced game with two teams of two playing on two boards. The rules are too complicated to explain here.

  113. guest007 says:
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    Poker tournaments are organized for all comers but then the world series of poker has at least one, women only tournament. Only one woman has ever made the final table in the WSOP main event and that was 25 years ago when the field was much smaller.

  114. @International Jew

    Thanks. I hadn’t heard of it before, but it sounds awesome. Especially the part about passing captured pieces to your partner.

    Bughouse chess (also known as exchange chess, Siamese chess (not to be confused with Thai chess), tandem chess, transfer chess, double bughouse, cross chess, swap chess or simply bughouse, bugsy, or bug) is a popular chess variant played on two chessboards by four players in teams of two.[1] Normal chess rules apply, except that captured pieces on one board are passed on to the teammate on the other board, who then has the option of putting these pieces on their board.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bughouse_chess

  115. @Rob

    If he did not cover the black elephant in the crime room, he did not write s book on crime.

    He wrote about interesting crimes. That excludes blacks, whose misbehavior is more workaday.

    Also, he lives in a college town. Gotta be careful.

  116. @Kratoklastes

    I 🍆ing hate chess. It’s stupid. It prepares people to play more chess, and literally nothing else. Playing chess is like pretending to have Aspberger’s: trying to signal high IQ without passing Year 10 mathematics.

    “Sportsball”, in other words. Important to many, but not to you. Indian raga fans may feel the same way about our orchestral music. Which other Asians embrace.

    If Judit Polgar had dedicated her high IQ to something less pointless…

    “If [Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart] had dedicated h[is] high IQ to something less pointless…” That’s not as silly as it sounds. Classical music is pointless to a large part of the world, which includes our barrios.

    Judit Polgár and her sisters were like Mozart, born into an above-average demographic and then engineered by their father to astronomical heights. Chess is probably less friendly to women than is music; women can be very good composers in the middle ranks. Rising to the pinnacles, however, involves a half-dozen or so factors, piling on, which either favor men absolutely, or in the general bell-curve-tail way. Chess, only one or two.

    Do any female composers rank as high as Judit does in her field? Is Mrs Beach held down only because of her racial views? She thought Dvořák too “woke”. And he was.

  117. keypusher says:
    @stillCARealist

    Most chess tournaments are not sex-segregated, although very high-level tournaments are all-male these days because all the top players are men. Large “open” tournaments sometimes have special prizes that only women can win. The only all-women tournaments are typically championships of one sort or another.

  118. keypusher says:
    @jb

    Gaprindashvili was a lot stronger than any woman before her and got decent results in grandmaster tournaments. She was not on Judit Polgar’s level, though. The line in the show was absurd, of course — if you’re a top woman in chess you have to play men, or you won’t have many opponents.

    I’ve always admired Gaprindashvili. She always went all-out. Tough, uncompromising player. I think her main issue in this lawsuit is proving the kind of damages she’s seeking. She’s almost 80, so it’s not like her professional opportunities have been diminished or she’s losing endorsement opportunities.

  119. keypusher says:
    @D. K.

    A friend of mine who knows a lot about tennis had the following to say about Riggs, Court, and King:

    [Court] was paralyzed by nerves. Otherwise she was a much better player than Riggs.

    An odd point: Riggs was quick moving in one direction, but he could not stop and reverse direction. Court did not pick this up, but watching tape King noticed that when Court mishit a ball just behind Riggs he couldn’t get back. So she kept wrongfooting him and won easily.

  120. Skythe says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Yeah cause why would you ever use something that makes sense over something that’s MURICAN?

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  121. @Anonymous

    yeah the article is heavy on the stream-of-consciousness maybe sextuple-shot and 3 hours of sleep – or not – seems like gentle ribbing to say so out loud but Polistra doesn’t approve

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