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Just five years ago, everybody who was anybody, like Obama, was explaining that we need lots more video cameras everywhere to catch all the white racists in action. Now we have lots more video cameras … but we’re mostly getting to see family brawls in Toon Town, and so we are being endlessly warned that seeing shouldn’t be believing because seeing is racist. It’s all the fault, when you really think about it, of Francis Galton. For example, from the New York Times:

The Racist History Behind Facial Recognition
When will we finally learn we cannot predict people’s character from their appearance?

By Sahil Chinoy
Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.

Here’s a picture of Mr. Chinoy.

Excessive self-confidence in his own intelligence is not a problem for Mr. Chinoy. That’s just a pseudo-scientific myth!

July 10, 2019

… Artificial intelligence and modern computing are giving new life and a veneer of objectivity to these debunked theories, which were once used to legitimize slavery and perpetuate Nazi race “science.” Those who wish to spread essentialist theories of racial hierarchy are paying attention. In one blog, for example, a contemporary white nationalist claimed that “physiognomy is real” and “needs to come back as a legitimate field of scientific inquiry.”

No link is given. But it would appear to track to Luke Ford in 2016, perhaps citing Chateau Heartiste.

Harvard social scientists James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein’s 1985 book Crime and Human Nature has a lot on the common looks of criminals. Here’s a lengthy New York Times review of the book.

Personally, I try not to spend a lot of time around criminals, so I don’t have a large enough sample size of lived experience to have much of an opinion on the topic. I have noticed that Hollywood has strong opinions on the subject: much of the expertise of casting directors’ is in knowing which actors look Good and which look Bad.

More broadly, new applications of facial recognition — not just in academic research, but also in commercial products that try to guess emotions from facial expressions — echo the same biological essentialism behind physiognomy. Apparently, we still haven’t learned that faces do not contain some deeper truth about the people they belong to.

After all, as we are learning from leading scientists such as Amy Harmon, Angela Saini, and the like: Science Is Ignorance! Only evil pseudoscientists such as Francis Galton believed that science could increase knowledge.

One of the pioneers of 19th-century facial analysis, Francis Galton, was a prominent British eugenicist. He superimposed images of men convicted of crimes, attempting to find through “pictorial statistics” the essence of the criminal face.

Galton was disappointed with the results: He was unable to discern a criminal “type” from his composite photographs.

It’s almost as if Galton were a real scientist … It’s like how at at 85 he discovered the concept of the Wisdom of Crowds. He went to a country fair where there was a contest to guess the weight of a prize bull. Galton said to himself, here’s a great data source on how bad people are at guessing! But then it turned out the mean guess was almost exactly right, so he had to sit down and figure out what was really going on. He was, as I said, 85.

Anyway, I’d guess that superimposing photos was precisely the wrong methodology, because criminals tend to have a lot of idiosyncratic flaws, such as asymmetries, which averaging through superimposition washes away. Superimposing pictures leads to better looking pictures, on average. Averaging faces leads to pleasant looking faces (although you never quite get to Audrey Hepburn level beauty that way).

This is because physiognomy is junk science — criminality is written neither in one’s genes nor on one’s face. He also tried to use composite portraits to determine the ideal “type” of each race, and his research was cited by Hans F.K. Günther, a Nazi eugenicist who wrote a book that was required reading in German schools during the Third Reich.

Galton’s tools and ideas have proved surprisingly durable, and modern researchers are again contemplating whether criminality can be read from one’s face.

… The paper echoes many of the fallacies in Galton’s research: that people convicted of crimes are representative of those who commit them (the justice system exhibits profound bias),

After all, Science proves that the real criminals are all cruelly handsome Haven Monahan-types. Never pay any attention to video like the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HocfYt3EM0s&feature=youtu.be

Meanwhile, from the BBC (via MEH 0910):

Facial recognition tool tackles illegal chimp trade
By Beth Timmins
BBC News
22 January 2019

Seven-year-old Manno was captured as an infant in 2011 and smuggled to Syria

That’s really unlucky. Here you are sitting in the bush in 2011 and then you get kidnapped and sent to … Syria, and just in time for the Syrian Civil War to break out.

Wildlife criminals had better watch out! The same software that recognises you in a friend’s social media post is being adapted to tackle the illegal trade in chimpanzees.

The amber eyes in the image above belong to Manno, who was trafficked from Africa to Syria before being rescued.

Pictures of Mano are now being used to train the algorithm that could help save members of his endangered species from the same experience. It’s a first for chimpanzee conservation.

The algorithm will search through photo posts on social media looking for the faces of rescued apes.

If the technology recognises a trafficked animal, the owners of the accounts featuring the chimp can then be targeted by the authorities.

These might be the smugglers who originally advertised the ape or a foolish buyer who subsequently showed off their purchase.

Folks, I have four words of advice for you: “Never buy a chimp.”

 
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  1. Feature Not Bug

    we have lots more video cameras … but we’re mostly getting to see family brawls in Toon Town

    You say “but” …but I say “and!”

    • Replies: @swami_cuckenstein
    @Mr McKenna

    what the fuck, this is way way too close to where I live.

  2. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of physiognomy, they interviewed the Bagel Boss guy:

    https://twitter.com/woke8yearold/status/1149510672956325888

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Anonymous

    So, is he not tall enough to comfortably make eye contact with her (neck injury?), or is he just checking out her T&A?

    , @Father O'Hara
    @Anonymous

    Look, it's whiskey!

    Replies: @Whiskey

    , @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1149174469593899008

    That's Doctor New York City Public Defender to you.

    Replies: @guest

    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    @Anonymous

    He is invoking the same strategy that many women make use of: He is aware of the nothing-to-gain situation that his antics place other people in, and he uses it to his advantage.

    Women will sometimes get physically confrontational with men because they are gambling that the man is going to abide by traditional standards of interaction, meaning, the man will not retaliate physically. From the man's pov, if he beats up a woman well, he just beat up a woman. If he gets beat up by a woman well, he just got beat up by a woman. Further, women are also counting on any bystanders to immediately assist her in case her mark does retaliate physically. This is Bagel Boy.

    He is also a ewe toober, so this trolling is at least in some part motivated by his desire for views.

    A sharp bitch slap would go very far in correcting this behavior, for both Bagel Boy and women who initiate physical contact with men fearing no consequences.

  3. Apparently, we still haven’t learned that faces do not contain some deeper truth about the people they belong to.

    What then do we make of the Smirk heard ’round the world?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew

    Amateur. This is how a pro smirks:



    https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/zORu8vXCZg9_VTYGGGJ95_nUFeo=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/FL73VAOQ65AXJGSC6LQK2W6RTE.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon

    , @Corvinus
    @International Jew

    Well, if I channel my Luke Ford and employ the ol' physiognomy chart, the broadness of the Native American's face is harmless since he is narrow headed, and the pale face is dangerous because of his protruded chin.

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/01/30/helpful-guide-to-human-character

    Yep, the science proves it.

    Replies: @bomag

  4. Medical slang. Flk stands for “funny-looking kid, ” and was a general term for infants affected with various malformation syndromes, particularly those involving multiple facial abnormalities. Considered demeaning and insensitive, it is no longer in use.


    Dr. Ahmad M Hadied
    Orthopedic Surgery

    Source: HealthTap, https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/163970-overheard-resident-say-flk-and-attending-say-my-child-needs-to-see-pediatric-geneticist-what-was

    • Replies: @Prof. Woland
    @Diversity is Great!

    GORK - God only really knows. That is when someone is wheeled into the ER unconscious or cannot say what happened or explain the symptoms. Veterinarians have this expression too.

  5. Artificial intelligence and modern computing are giving new life and a veneer of objectivity to these debunked theories, which were once used to legitimize slavery and perpetuate Nazi race “science.”

    Shouldn’t that be Nazi “race science?”

    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    @syonredux

    I'd say "Nazi" race science.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @El Dato
    @syonredux

    Himmler would approve of the new "SS-Künstliche Intelligenz" section.

    Now follows the SS-KI Gruppenbericht.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @AndrewR
    @syonredux

    "Nazi" race science

    , @Herzog
    @syonredux

    Perhaps a clever way of saying that it was a science much cultivated by that Nazi race, the (okay, full disclosure: us) Germans?

  6. Can Sahil Chinoy really think that convicted criminals are not representative of criminals more generally?

    Wow, just wow.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Veracitor

    I stopped there for a moment. Appears he wants to pass on the implication that a bunch of white and asian criminals don't get convicted 'cause the system just wants to make blacks look bad. Seems to be how his mind works.

    Also: criminality is written neither in one’s genes nor on one’s face; still suggests there is something that distinguishes the criminal from the non-criminal; I'm sure Sahil Chinoy will objectively report the findings when they come in.

    , @Clive Beaconsfield
    @Veracitor

    I’ll believe that people convicted for marijuana possession are not representative of pot smokers.

    I’m pretty sure people convicted of murder and armed robbery are pretty doggone representative.

    , @Anonymous
    @Veracitor

    The prisons are full of people convicted of crimes they never committed. Just ask them. Sahil apparently did.

  7. By Sahil Chinoy

    Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.

    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?
     
    The real question may be, what is this kid doing working as a graphics guy at a newspaper? From his online bio

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000, @Ibound1, @SimpleSong, @Coburn

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Anon

    Hey, go easy on the guy! His is important work, helping the NYT readership make better sense of the 'news'

    http://i.imgur.com/Fevc5on.png

    , @Kaganovitch
    @Anon

    Eh, it's not like the pundits at the gray hag are any better.

    , @Anonymousse
    @Anon

    I am quite sure the janitorial staff of the NYT is vastly more insightful than the editorial staff of the NYT.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  8. On American TV male pattern baldness is a sure sign pf criminality

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @jim jones

    I've never picked up on this but it's totally true. The one bald good guy that comes rapidly to mind is -- the evil corrupt white cop from the Shield.

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @Bill Jones
    @jim jones

    On Law and Order being in possession of a trust fund guarantees criminality.

    , @Autochthon
    @jim jones

    Recently, perhaps. Historically, no – many of television's most famous heroes were balding or bald:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8b/22/1e/8b221e0a76ca337ee6a229dc4fa5af2f--cannon-tv-series.jpg

    http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-12-29-telly_savalas_gc.jpg

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lOCHDm1PiNc/TuQpa47Nw3I/AAAAAAAAEMM/Mm6FgURKLNI/s1600/harry-morgan-dragnet-1987.jpg

  9. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    This guy explains what’s going on and why we don’t understand it.

    • LOL: 68W58
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    That "beautiful young black queen" is standing too close to those tracks. I fear for the poor trolley that makes contact with such steatopygia.

    , @Peter Johnson
    @Anonymous

    This guy The Amazing Lucas is brilliant. What a lovely antidote to the usual MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Counterinsurgency
    @Anonymous

    I say again, you have to listen to what the speaker says and take it seriously.

    Suppose that when the speaker says "it's White supremacy" he's exactly right. Suppose that the "rage" of which he speaks is that Whites have built a society in which IQ 85 or below makes a man de facto unemployable. Suppose also that the society requires a level of emotional control that is, let's say, distasteful to the average Black (which is why Whites were once called "ice people" by
    Black studies professor Leonard Jeffries: they display what seemed to Jeffries to be icy lack of emotion, certainly a lack of the emotions that befit a man, and who consequently hire black women preferentially.

    So, here you are in a society that has very little room for you (it isn't obvious what Liberal Lucas could do for a day job) and can only offer charity to the most talented members of your kin/race (e.g. the Black Middle Class being mainly government employees with patronage jobs, an effective quota for Blacks in jobs that require more self-control and more cognitive ability than their holders can muster.)

    My friends, that would be enough to upset the Dali Lama, let alone the current Black US population that sees half of its numbers unemployable, sees itself being pushed out of cities for more "desirable" tenants such as recent Black African immigrants, sees itself with little to do except self-medicate and play "gangs" to at least have some source of pride, and, above all, is subject to endless Liberal and Conservative talk about how Blacks could do it if only the pulled up their pants and worked for a change.

    That's why Liberal Lucas says that intra-Black fights are due to White Supremacy. All the Blacks are, let's say, in a bad mood because of the above paragraph, caused by White Supremacy. In one sentence: We have to live with these superior beings in a society they designed for themselves, and the sheer hopelessness living in that society has everybody nearly psychotic with deculturalization and [1] the uniform heartening failure of everything they try.

    Read it that way and Liberal Lucas is talking literal truth. Maybe that's what he means. It's a bit racist, but, hey, one thing Blacks have always been envied for is their perception of obvious and important things that nobody else can see.

    Elsewhere, Black society has simply rejected European civilization (or subjugated it), and so doesn't face the same challenge that Afro-Americans face. So these Black societies are violent, so what? Emotions can be expressed, and, while things aren't good, at least things make sense to the society’s members. Better to be a member of society in Hell than a mendicant (or political pawn) in Heaven, perhaps? Would demons be happy in Heaven? I've seen it conjectured [2] that Satan himself has realized that his rebellion was hopeless in that he never wished to be God and rule Heaven, but just thought he did, and so was better of as opposition in Hell than ruler of Heaven.

    If the above is true, then:
    a) Laughing at Liberal Lucas just digs us (everybody in the US) in deeper, and
    b) We in the US have a problem without even a theoretical known solution satisfactory to all parties.

    No jokes this time.

    Counterinsurgency


    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deculturalization
    2] James Blish.
    _Black Easter_
    _The Day After Judgment_
    First edition 1968.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Easter
    A thoroughly dispiriting book that rehashes some of the perennial questions about the Enlightenment vs. the Age of Faith in a semi-mythological form.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    The guy has got a real future in the MSM. MSNBC should pick him up stat.

  10. Sahil Chinoy =

    China is holy.
    Has oily chin.
    Hi, shiny coal!

    • LOL: c matt
  11. Seven-year-old Manno was captured as an infant in 2011 and smuggled to Syria

    Where he is indistinguishable from the other children.

    • LOL: bored identity
  12. Anon[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve,

    Facial Recognition could name suspects filmed near a crime scene, and their cell phone GPS, once ran, would do the locate them there at the appointed time when followed up. Small wonder minority activists dont want it.

    The end of “jacking stores”, and unmasked political violence. I expect new state laws over the next year in many legislatures criminalizing masks anywhere near sites where public protesta have been obtained.

  13. @International Jew

    Apparently, we still haven’t learned that faces do not contain some deeper truth about the people they belong to.
     
    What then do we make of the Smirk heard 'round the world?

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/rtrlten781333-1548181884.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Amateur. This is how a pro smirks:

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    This is how a pro smirks
     
    Is that wrinkly old man an updated Mr. Six?

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sixflags/images/6/65/Mr.six.jpg

    Replies: @bored identity

    , @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Amateur. This is how a pro smirks:
     
    Trump should invite the nation's top U15 boys soccer team to the White House and feed them on hundreds of fast food burgers. Then throw down a challenge: lesbians vs. boys. $100,000 of Trump's personal funds donated to charities chosen by the winners. If the lesbians don't bite, set up a match with the next highest ranking team and the U15s. Keep going down the list.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  14. The quote is from the Chateau Heartiste blog. Formerly, Roissy. There is no link as WordPress has de-platformed it.

    I would not call that blog “white nationalist”. The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Roger


    I would not call that blog “white nationalist”. The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.
     
    A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author's preference?

    Replies: @res

    , @L Woods
    @Roger

    It’s been pretty white nationalist for a couple of years now. The RooshV vibrants will often complain of this fact (although they’re not the predominate influence there anymore either).

    , @AndrewR
    @Roger

    Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Roger

    , @Moses
    @Roger

    What's wrong with not wanting your country's ethic mix to change?

    As far as I can tell, "White Nationalists" want to be able to live among other Whites and not among non-Whites.

    Blacks openly state they want to live with Blacks. "Black Nationalism."

    Jews have their own country. They expel non-Jewish migrants regularly. "Jewish Nationalism."

    Japan allows only ethnic Japanese re-immigration. "Japanese Nationalism."

    I could go on.

    Wanting a more or less homogeneous country or place is ok for other groups.

    But when Whites do it it's bad, called "White Nationalism" (a bad thing).

    Did I get it right?

    Replies: @Corvinus

  15. @Anonymous
    This guy explains what's going on and why we don't understand it.

    https://youtu.be/lQHiPViNnW4

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Peter Johnson, @Counterinsurgency, @Jim Don Bob

    That “beautiful young black queen” is standing too close to those tracks. I fear for the poor trolley that makes contact with such steatopygia.

  16. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Progs often say race is a social construct. Of course, it isn’t, but suppose it is. Why should it matter less? After all, Jewishness is a social construct, but we are told Jews have every right to preserve their identity and culture(and the rest of humanity must support Jews doing so). On that basis, even if white race and culture are social constructs, they are as worthy of preserving as Jewishness.

  17. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:

    That Luke Ford post links to Chateau Heartiste, RIP, which had regular illustrated Physiognamy is Real posts. Since Heartiste had been doing those posts frequently in the months before its demise, I can’t help but think that our little subcontinental auteur was a regular reader of Heartiste, and in all probability is a reader of Steve Sailer.

    Heartiste was mostly interested in facial distinction between alpha men and cucks, ball-crushing dominant women and desirable marriage partners, and so on. Neither he nor Luke Ford were interested in distinguishing between population groups, or the sexes within population groups, via facial recognition.

    It’s going to get harder and harder to claim that facial features are 100 percent independent of personality traits, intelligence, or behavioral traits. Keven Mitchell in Innate edges up to the border of the topic. Neurologists do initial diagnosis of many genetic defects via facial traits, and recently AI has been harnessed to automate the initial stage of that. You can guess the probability of heart disease from earlobe shape. Women (and men) prefer certain facial types, and this can be thought of in terms of evolutionary forces, knowing which prospective mate will most likely further your goals. At the least, asymmetry is an indicator of something going wrong on one side of the body, since the genome at the point of left-right division was identical. And even if, for example, “weak” faces do not indicate underlying genetically-sourced weak acting brains, cultural feedback would have an effect on the person with such a face.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    facial features are 100 percent independent of personality traits, intelligence, or behavioral traits.
     
    Why wouldn't they be?

    Replies: @El Dato, @res

    , @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "Heartiste was mostly interested in facial distinction between alpha men and cucks..."

    Here is what Heartiste looks like. His real name is James Weidmann. The name is Jewish, so we can surmise he is of that race/ethnicity/religion.

    https://kennyspuathoughts.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/roissychateau-heartisteexposed-as-a-manipulative-blogger/

    NOTICE his stretched tight smile (upper lip tight across teeth). This “overly sincere” smile is a mask that hides the owner’s true agenda with an attempt to communicate an unfelt sincerity or caring. It is a deception flashed to make an impression. In other words, a gamma male.

    http://rebloggy.com/post/lips-teeth-science-faces-spirituality-psychology-biology-philosophy-greek-face-r/38606449840

    Again, science proves it!

    Replies: @Herzog, @J.Ross

  18. I imagine facial recognition software can identify a young black male. Men most be something like ten times more likely to commit a violent crime than a woman is. Then of course the young are just friskier than us oldsters. Call that 4x. Finally, a black is about eight times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white.

    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.

    That’s pretty good. Further refinement might prove more challenging but there often is something…appalling…in some of those mugshot visages. Your basic guy accused of dumping gas all over a girl and setting her alight just doesn’t look like Adam Sandler.

    So I’d guess we could get it up to a thousand-fold increase in probability. That has interesting moral implications, but I don’t see any technological diificulties.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.
     
    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Colin Wright, @res, @Colin Wright

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Colin Wright

    Men most be something like ten times more likely to commit a violent crime than a woman is.

    I wonder if that's true for blacks. I did a cursory Duck Duck Go search, but couldn't get an answer. I know that black women commit murder at a higher rate than white men.

    Replies: @Elli

  19. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:

    White supremacy in action a few days ago.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Another data point from that same day last week, different location.

    https://youtu.be/b6d5wGaT2Qo

    , @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    Hope the Philadelphia Police Dept is having fun with their obvious racial profiling. Won't be long before they're not permitted to post vids like that. Or this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6d5wGaT2Qo

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @eah, @ben tillman

    , @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Literally black Thursday.

    Why is Walgreens open at 22:00?

  20. @Anon

    By Sahil Chinoy

    Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.
     
    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Mr McKenna, @Kaganovitch, @Anonymousse

    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?

    The real question may be, what is this kid doing working as a graphics guy at a newspaper? From his online bio

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan


    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     
    This guy took a coveted seat at Cal Berkeley from a deserving American kid.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Neuday

    , @ic1000
    @PiltdownMan

    Piltdown, your comment is the thread's most significant so far.

    Sahil Chinoy
    BA in Physics and Economics at UC Berkeley, 2013-2017
    4.0 GPA with Highest Distinction in General Scholarship, Highest Honors in Economics.
    Won the Economics Dept.'s Schimbor Prize in 2018 for best undergraduate thesis

    Chinoy also wrote "The Places in the U.S. Where Disaster Strikes Again and Again" in the 5/24/18 NYT (paywalled).

    So by any comparison with the general population, he is well on the right side of the bell curve in terms of intelligence, conscientiousness, and young-adult accomplishments. The 2018 article, his high grades in physics classes, and his thesis show that Chinoy can reason quantitatively.

    Yet he won this place of pride on iSteve by authoring a particularly ignorant and innumerate Op-Ed.

    Chinoy's arguments on facial recognition slide into one another.

    1. It doesn't work perfectly and is thus useless.
    2. It's based on discredited pseudoscience and thus can't work.
    3. It works, but it does better on white faces than on black faces.
    4. Its use will entrench racism, because it can be made to usefully address important questions.

    Chinoy isn't a dim bulb. He'd never tolerate these heuristics if a correct conclusion was important, such as if he needed a complex medical condition diagnosed.

    This isn't Political correctness makes you stupid. Rather, it's You Get More Of What You Subsidize. In the absence of good arguments, NYT editors are promoting stupid and misleading arguments in favor of anti-white racism.

    As an economics major, Mr. Chinoy is faithfully responding to market signals. He's smart enough to know that.

    Replies: @eah, @J.Ross

    , @Ibound1
    @PiltdownMan

    My opinion of Cal just took a dive.

    , @SimpleSong
    @PiltdownMan

    One interpretation of this is to say that this is clearly a bright kid writing drivel, and scratch our heads and ask what happened.

    Another interpretation is to say that intelligence can be defined as an ability to accurately see the world as it truly is, given the finite and imperfect life experience of one individual. Or alternatively it can be defined as the ability to receive, understand, manipulate and repeat established wisdom. Of course these categories overlap but they are not the same thing, and impressive educational credentials tend to correlate exclusively with the latter. Perhaps this person has a lot of the latter sort of intelligence, and not much of the former.

    Personally, I would not consider this person intelligent any more than I would consider a person who can memorize a million digits of pi intelligent.

    And I must admit that I have found that life of the mind of Europeans seems to be qualitatively different than that of non-Europeans who score approximately the same on intelligence testing.

    Thus, while I think that intelligence, college grades, etc. have value, their importance tends to be overstated, particularly on sites like this where everyone has those high scores and conflates that with their own self worth. Personally I consider the relationship between these sorts of scores and the squishy, poorly defined concept of 'intelligence' to be similar to the relationship between height and the squishy, poorly defined concept of basketball ability. Height clearly correlates quite strongly with the ability to play basketball well.

    But:

    the best players are not necessarily the tallest
    The tallest team is not necessarily the best team
    The tallest ethnic group in the US (Whites) does not necessarily produce the best players
    The best team is not determined by measuring heights but rather by playing the game

    Thus I think if you want to understand which group is 'intelligent' you should read Murray's Human Accomplishment rather than comparing test scores.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @William Badwhite, @J.Ross

    , @Coburn
    @PiltdownMan

    How do you get a BA in Physics? Isn't a Physics degree a BS?

    Replies: @Jeff the Donleavy Fan, @PiltdownMan

  21. Add computerized analysis of body language and we could really get somewhere.

    The screen in the patrol car flashes, ‘probable incipient felon headed north on west side of 3200 block of Cherry.’ Officer O’Malley cruises over for some polite surveillance.

    As I say, I perceive moral issues, but technically, it could work. Fewer cops, less random harassment, more effective criminal apprehension and deterrence. After all, the poor shmoo who keeps getting picked out by the cameras is going to learn he can’t get away with much at all.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    @Colin Wright

    As things stand this is infinitely more likely going to be used to identify secret doubters in required diversity training courses.

    I expect it’s already been used to dox badthinkers. Isn’t it mysterious how rag tag antifa someone managed to know the identity of every “white supremacist” photographed at
    Charlottesville?

    Except that one guy ostentatiously holding a swastika flag... even though his photograph was everywhere in news reports antifa seems curiously unable to identify him at all.

  22. @Anon

    By Sahil Chinoy

    Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.
     
    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Mr McKenna, @Kaganovitch, @Anonymousse

    Hey, go easy on the guy! His is important work, helping the NYT readership make better sense of the ‘news’

  23. Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.

    I’m glad he’s around to tell us how bad machine learning is at things.

  24. Anonymous[444] • Disclaimer says:

    …… Yep, it might bite your face off – and then you’ll never need worry about physigynominy.

  25. Anon[120] • Disclaimer says:

    This article makes it seem like the physics of light and film emulsion are somehow a discriminatory relic of white supremacy:

    It’s lit! How film finally learned to light black skin
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/sep/21/its-lit-how-film-finally-learned-how-to-light-black-skin

    “I don’t appreciate seeing black folks that are unlit,” 13th director Ava DuVernay said recently. “If there’s a dark brother, and if he’s in a frame with a lighter-skinned person, you don’t automatically light for the lighter-skinned person and leave him in shadow.”

    But now things seem to be changing. Thanks to the likes of Insecure’s director of photography, Ava Berkofsky, who recently shared the tricks and tactics cinematographers can use to achieve on-screen black magic. Of these, the oldest trick in the book is the importance of moisturising the actors’ skin to give the lighting the most bounce (this was particularly important to Spike Lee when working in black and white on She’s Gotta Have It).

    So you lube up the black guy’s face to produce a lot of specular highlights that reveal the form of his face. The black part of his face is still underlit, but you have hints to its shape via the highlights.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    You also need birdies to give the rim light that separates the black actor from the background.

    Sorry, there's no joke here.

  26. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roger
    The quote is from the Chateau Heartiste blog. Formerly, Roissy. There is no link as Wordpress has de-platformed it.

    I would not call that blog "white nationalist". The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @L Woods, @AndrewR, @Moses

    I would not call that blog “white nationalist”. The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.

    A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author’s preference?

    • Replies: @res
    @Anonymous


    A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author’s preference?
     
    That is a rather extreme definition. Let's see some other sources.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20nationalist

    one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation
     
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist

    White nationalist groups espouse white supremacist or white separatist ideologies, often focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites. Groups listed in a variety of other categories - Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity - could also be fairly described as white nationalist.
     
    Your definition seems most useful as a way of playing motte and bailey games with labeling people. Is that your intent?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Autochthon

  27. @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew

    Amateur. This is how a pro smirks:



    https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/zORu8vXCZg9_VTYGGGJ95_nUFeo=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/FL73VAOQ65AXJGSC6LQK2W6RTE.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon

    This is how a pro smirks

    Is that wrinkly old man an updated Mr. Six?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @bored identity
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Don't be mean.

    All she ever wanted is to be an ordinary U-15 boy.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  28. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    That Luke Ford post links to Chateau Heartiste, RIP, which had regular illustrated Physiognamy is Real posts. Since Heartiste had been doing those posts frequently in the months before its demise, I can't help but think that our little subcontinental auteur was a regular reader of Heartiste, and in all probability is a reader of Steve Sailer.

    Heartiste was mostly interested in facial distinction between alpha men and cucks, ball-crushing dominant women and desirable marriage partners, and so on. Neither he nor Luke Ford were interested in distinguishing between population groups, or the sexes within population groups, via facial recognition.

    It's going to get harder and harder to claim that facial features are 100 percent independent of personality traits, intelligence, or behavioral traits. Keven Mitchell in Innate edges up to the border of the topic. Neurologists do initial diagnosis of many genetic defects via facial traits, and recently AI has been harnessed to automate the initial stage of that. You can guess the probability of heart disease from earlobe shape. Women (and men) prefer certain facial types, and this can be thought of in terms of evolutionary forces, knowing which prospective mate will most likely further your goals. At the least, asymmetry is an indicator of something going wrong on one side of the body, since the genome at the point of left-right division was identical. And even if, for example, "weak" faces do not indicate underlying genetically-sourced weak acting brains, cultural feedback would have an effect on the person with such a face.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    facial features are 100 percent independent of personality traits, intelligence, or behavioral traits.

    Why wouldn’t they be?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Because humans are not engineered based on independently developed components but grow from a single cell that differentiates the body into parts over time. Formation of facial structure and the brain modules that deal with the muscles thereof are practically certain to be correlated with various ensembles of behaviorial traits.

    Would YOU trust this officer?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNwy0R_0im0

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    , @res
    @Anonymous


    Why wouldn’t they be?
     
    1. Genetics influencing overall development.
    2. Environment influencing overall development.

    Symmetry is commonly associated with good development (though there does seem to be some argument there). Dental health and nutrition is another example. For example, see https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/traditional-diets/ancient-dietary-wisdom-for-tomorrows-children/
  29. Anonymous[281] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright
    I imagine facial recognition software can identify a young black male. Men most be something like ten times more likely to commit a violent crime than a woman is. Then of course the young are just friskier than us oldsters. Call that 4x. Finally, a black is about eight times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white.

    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.

    That's pretty good. Further refinement might prove more challenging but there often is something...appalling...in some of those mugshot visages. Your basic guy accused of dumping gas all over a girl and setting her alight just doesn't look like Adam Sandler.

    So I'd guess we could get it up to a thousand-fold increase in probability. That has interesting moral implications, but I don't see any technological diificulties.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.

    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Anonymous



    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration

     

    No, not an exaggeration.
    , @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous

    '320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.'

    Is it? Think about it. You're approached from behind in an isolated alley by a middle-aged white woman.

    You're approached from behind in an isolated alley by a young black man.

    The weird thing about all this is that on an intuitive level, we all know. It's just that some of us refuse to consciously accept what our intuition tells us.

    , @res
    @Anonymous


    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.
     
    Agreed, but I do find the original comment plausible for identifying groups that differ 320x. For example, consider young black males vs. older white females for tendency towards violent crime.
    , @Colin Wright
    @Anonymous

    '320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.'

    Thinking about it, you're right. Young black males would be 320 times more likely (or something) to commit violent crimes than older non-black women. They'd be 32 times more likely to commit crimes than older non-black men. Etc.

  30. One of the pioneers of 19th-century facial analysis, Francis Galton, was a prominent British eugenicist.

    Embarrassingly for the Left, Eugenics was a big Progressive thing pre-War, all the fashionable Socialists were into it. A certain Herr Hitler soiled the brand a little bit and since then it has been misrepresented as the invention and idea of Nazism. You would have to dig deep, very deep, in the Progressive media to find that out.

    • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
    @RobUK

    That information has been effectively memory-holed, Matt Ridley pointed this out in his book "Genome" which was published in 1999. Karl Pearson in particular tried to link socialism and eugenics, but others like H.G. Wells and Sidney and Beatrice Webb said things far worse about their fellow humans than Galton ever said ( The Webbs were later big supporters of Stalin as well ). Galton like his half cousin Darwin was strongly against coercive measures by the state and was strongly in favor of positive eugenics (encouraging smart people to have children), not negative eugenics like a lot of the left wing proponents of it were.

    Replies: @guest

  31. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew

    Amateur. This is how a pro smirks:



    https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/zORu8vXCZg9_VTYGGGJ95_nUFeo=/1200x0/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/FL73VAOQ65AXJGSC6LQK2W6RTE.jpg

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Anon

    Amateur. This is how a pro smirks:

    Trump should invite the nation’s top U15 boys soccer team to the White House and feed them on hundreds of fast food burgers. Then throw down a challenge: lesbians vs. boys. $100,000 of Trump’s personal funds donated to charities chosen by the winners. If the lesbians don’t bite, set up a match with the next highest ranking team and the U15s. Keep going down the list.

    • Agree: Prodigal son
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    If the lesbians don’t bite
     
    Do lesbians bite?
  32. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:
    @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?
     
    The real question may be, what is this kid doing working as a graphics guy at a newspaper? From his online bio

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000, @Ibound1, @SimpleSong, @Coburn

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis

    This guy took a coveted seat at Cal Berkeley from a deserving American kid.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    Why would an American want anything to do with Berkeley?

    , @Neuday
    @Anonymous

    This guy has a physics degree from Berkeley and he's a stinking graphics editor for a newspaper? No wonder he's mad at the world, just another underpaid brown NPC in NYC.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Autochthon

  33. @Anonymous
    Speaking of physiognomy, they interviewed the Bagel Boss guy:

    https://twitter.com/woke8yearold/status/1149510672956325888

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Father O'Hara, @Anonymous, @MikeatMikedotMike

    So, is he not tall enough to comfortably make eye contact with her (neck injury?), or is he just checking out her T&A?

  34. Screw the same-old same-old antics of our terrestrial friends from the ‘hood: Now that we have all these cameras, where did all the UFOs go?

  35. @Anon
    This article makes it seem like the physics of light and film emulsion are somehow a discriminatory relic of white supremacy:

    It’s lit! How film finally learned to light black skin
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/sep/21/its-lit-how-film-finally-learned-how-to-light-black-skin

    “I don’t appreciate seeing black folks that are unlit,” 13th director Ava DuVernay said recently. “If there’s a dark brother, and if he’s in a frame with a lighter-skinned person, you don’t automatically light for the lighter-skinned person and leave him in shadow.”

    But now things seem to be changing. Thanks to the likes of Insecure’s director of photography, Ava Berkofsky, who recently shared the tricks and tactics cinematographers can use to achieve on-screen black magic. Of these, the oldest trick in the book is the importance of moisturising the actors’ skin to give the lighting the most bounce (this was particularly important to Spike Lee when working in black and white on She’s Gotta Have It).
     
    So you lube up the black guy's face to produce a lot of specular highlights that reveal the form of his face. The black part of his face is still underlit, but you have hints to its shape via the highlights.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    You also need birdies to give the rim light that separates the black actor from the background.

    Sorry, there’s no joke here.

  36. At 3:29 in the store-swarming video in the article, we see evidence of an undocumented Walgreens shopper who was unsuccessful in his belt-hunting expedition.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  37. Physionomy just doesn’t work as an indicator of mental traits, except perhaps for severe mental impairment.

    For example, some saints, philosophers, chess champions, etc totally look the part, while others look just like ordinary folks. For example, a contemporary described C S Lewis as looking just like a village butcher.

    BTW, my own intelligence test is simply whether someone says something intelligent. (Not whether they make several such comments. And stupid comments don’t disqualify. Puns etc don’t count, either way.)

    Another informal test is whether people are interested in things beyond their day to day world. Yes, there can be barriers of self-importance or prejudice. But I find that, when faced with interesting questions, intelligent people take the bait and start discussing.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Felix M

    Most of the top 50 pictures of C.S. Lewis on Google show an intelligent-looking expression, although that might just be selection bias.

    Lewis was pretty similar looking to John von Neumann, who I would presume to consider the gold standard of intelligence for whom we have a lot of photos. Von Neumann more often than Lewis had a less than intelligent expression in his photos:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dr-john-von-neumann-world-famous-mathematician-and-member-of-the-picture-id514971214?s=2048x2048

    But there would be a difference between features and expression.

    Replies: @Lot, @RobUK

    , @stillCARealist
    @Felix M

    I know I've mentioned this before, but does anybody else remember the old claim, by a doctor, that one could determine who a criminal is just by taking vital signs? Young men were being measured, of course, and the tendency was that the lower the vitals, the more likely he's a criminal. Blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, and breathing rate are lower in these guys, so it takes the rush and danger of criminal activity to get them going and feeling alive.

    This is probably true of soldiers and dangerous sports participants too.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @Autochthon
    @Felix M

    What's the point of the remark about Professor Lewis? He does look like "the village butcher" as much as any man may be said to: an ordinary, approachable, bright fellow happy to slice one's mutton the way one prefers. I expect this is all that was meant by the original observer: that Lewis' appearance and comportment were humble and unremarkable (as indeed they were) and did not necessarily belie he was a man of staggering genius (as indeed he was).

    I'm not familiar with the observation or its context, but I doubt it meant to suggest anything negative – let alone criminal – about either Professor Lewis or butchers.

    Butchering is a perfectly respectable trade, despite the term butcher being (understandably) applied to criminals who maimed victims horribly. Perhaps you are thinking too much of Bill the Butcher and not enough of (admittedly fictional, but representative of a million actual butchers) Sam the Butcher.

    (Bill wasn't even especially scary-looking; but most of course now associate him with his cartoonish portrayal in Hollywoo. In any event, I'd argue Clive calls to mind Sam more than either idea of Bill.)

    http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/962/am5.JPG

    Sam

    https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/24/82724-004-C01DBECB.jpg

    Clive

    https://cdn.viewing.nyc/assets/media/b9e8cf0afa830d5056ac6cac4615774e/elements/0f2c4dc3a979abe713622659d41c6aef/xl/d8439acb-95de-4374-bcf9-7dec5a8a7cf0_2x.jpg

    Bill

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O8Pm2ZGhCdM/UKAuC2U4qEI/AAAAAAAACPI/nN2vhN5X3bY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/12billthebutcher-Gangs-of-New-York.jpeg

    Cartoonishly Menacing Bill (Portrayed By Daniel)

    Replies: @L Woods

  38. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    White supremacy in action a few days ago.

    https://youtu.be/HocfYt3EM0s

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr McKenna, @El Dato

    Another data point from that same day last week, different location.

  39. It’s almost as if Galton were a real scientist … It’s like how at at 85 he discovered the concept of the Wisdom of Crowds. He went to a country fair where there was a contest to guess the weight of a prize bull. Galton said to himself, here’s a great data source on how bad people are at guessing! But then it turned out the mean guess was almost exactly right, so he had to sit down and figure out what was really going on. He was, as I said, 85.

    Being right about everything doesn’t save Galton, and it doesn’t save you. It doesn’t save any of us.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @vinteuil

    “Being right about everything doesn’t save Galton”

    But his work was cited by a Nazi!

    And not just any Nazi, but by “Hans F.K. Günther.”

    Replies: @vinteuil

  40. @Anonymous
    White supremacy in action a few days ago.

    https://youtu.be/HocfYt3EM0s

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr McKenna, @El Dato

    Hope the Philadelphia Police Dept is having fun with their obvious racial profiling. Won’t be long before they’re not permitted to post vids like that. Or this

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mr McKenna

    Thanks.

    , @eah
    @Mr McKenna

    That was in WI -- it got a good deal of attention, eg on Twitter, partly via people saying the stuff was overpriced if a relatively small group could steal clothes said to be worth that much ($30k) in such a short time.

    A recent case in Phoenix got I think more attention because it involved alleged police misconduct (there was video) -- in the end the truth was more prosaic: a carload of shoplifters fled police, so the police treated them as potentially armed criminals during a later stop (children were present) -- but the shoplifters were black so there was a big stink (probably also due to the kids), and the authorities initially groveled.

    Phoenix Police Release Report On Controversial Shoplifting Arrests

    , @ben tillman
    @Mr McKenna

    Also, in Philadelphia -- lynching is back!

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-car-thief-beat-philadelphia-father-bystanders-stealing-kids-inside-20190712-fsdlr7wd4jgtnir7si6h2ca6oy-story.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

  41. @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    Hope the Philadelphia Police Dept is having fun with their obvious racial profiling. Won't be long before they're not permitted to post vids like that. Or this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6d5wGaT2Qo

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @eah, @ben tillman

    Thanks.

  42. Abraham Lincoln said after a certain age you can tell a persons character by their looks.

  43. @syonredux

    Artificial intelligence and modern computing are giving new life and a veneer of objectivity to these debunked theories, which were once used to legitimize slavery and perpetuate Nazi race “science.”
     
    Shouldn't that be Nazi "race science?"

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Herzog

    I’d say “Nazi” race science.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Father O'Hara


    I’d say “Nazi” race science.
     
    Then there's Nazi "race" science.....
  44. @Anonymous
    Speaking of physiognomy, they interviewed the Bagel Boss guy:

    https://twitter.com/woke8yearold/status/1149510672956325888

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Father O'Hara, @Anonymous, @MikeatMikedotMike

    Look, it’s whiskey!

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Father O'Hara

    I'd rather not be in Philadelphia.

  45. eah says:

    Here’s a picture of Mr. Chinoy.

    link

    And above is a link to the result of a bing.com image search for “new york times scholarship winners” — so he seems roughly representative of the young demographic apparently favored by the NYT (he could be a computer generated composite) — 2018 winners below.

    Also I’m a bit surprised to learn there is a need for a “graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section”, since you mostly hear lately how they are downsizing.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @eah


    Also I’m a bit surprised to learn there is a need for a “graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section”, since you mostly hear lately how they are downsizing.
     
    Maybe he's trying to increase his utility there? His kick-ass graphics editing skillz got him through the door and now he's setting out to prove what else he can do.
  46. This is because physiognomy is junk science — criminality is written neither in one’s genes nor on one’s face. He also tried to use composite portraits to determine the ideal “type” of each race, and his research was cited by Hans F.K. Günther, a Nazi eugenicist who wrote a book that was required reading in German schools during the Third Reich.

    Seems like the Left is particularly vulnerable to the guilt by association fallacy. Merely mentioning “ties” to [insert bad group in Present Year here] is enough to completely discredit something to them. The whole thing is tiresome, predictable, and boring.

    Hardcore neocons can act similarly when folks criticize Jewish influence/Israel, but they’re not quite as relentless.

  47. Actually, Mr. Chinoy, there have been studies that indicate a genetic component to criminality. But people don’t want to hear that, for “reasons”.

    • Agree: GermanReader2
  48. @syonredux

    Artificial intelligence and modern computing are giving new life and a veneer of objectivity to these debunked theories, which were once used to legitimize slavery and perpetuate Nazi race “science.”
     
    Shouldn't that be Nazi "race science?"

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Herzog

    Himmler would approve of the new “SS-Künstliche Intelligenz” section.

    Now follows the SS-KI Gruppenbericht.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @El Dato

    Wouldn't it be der Sonderkommandobericht ?

  49. eah says:
    @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    Hope the Philadelphia Police Dept is having fun with their obvious racial profiling. Won't be long before they're not permitted to post vids like that. Or this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6d5wGaT2Qo

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @eah, @ben tillman

    That was in WI — it got a good deal of attention, eg on Twitter, partly via people saying the stuff was overpriced if a relatively small group could steal clothes said to be worth that much ($30k) in such a short time.

    A recent case in Phoenix got I think more attention because it involved alleged police misconduct (there was video) — in the end the truth was more prosaic: a carload of shoplifters fled police, so the police treated them as potentially armed criminals during a later stop (children were present) — but the shoplifters were black so there was a big stink (probably also due to the kids), and the authorities initially groveled.

    Phoenix Police Release Report On Controversial Shoplifting Arrests

  50. Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.

    The Chinese did a large study based on national ID photos of criminals v non criminals, it has lots of good examples.

    • Replies: @eah
    @Lot

    The Chinese did a large study based on national ID photos of criminals v non criminals, it has lots of good examples.

    If engineers can develop a software (and hardware) system to drive a car, they can also develop one to fairly reliably identify typical facial features found in criminals.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @Anonymous
    @Lot


    Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.
     
    What are "narrow eyes"?

    Replies: @guest, @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @Lot

    Maybe this works for "thug" type criminals who hold up convenience stores but those kind of folks tend to give themselves away anyway - they tend to advertise their thuggishness with dress, gait, etc. And as someone mentioned with their FLK comment, most people have an instinctive ability to detect the kind of features that you mention - you have to be taught to be a goodwhite lady and ignore the alarm bells that are going off in your head.

    However, there are a lot of con artist type criminals who have normal, even pleasant, features and who are often able to take in victims who mistake them for honest people. What would be REALLY valuable is an AI that could distinguish con artists from honest people.

    Replies: @Lot, @c matt

  51. Meanwhile in Merkelland: a Nigerian “Schutzsuchende” bashed the windows of cars at the Asylheim where he lives — the cars were said to belong to German employees — €50k damage — here the German twitterer macht sich lustig by calling him an AfD election campaign helper on the job: “Ein AfD-Wahlkampfhelfer bei der Arbeit”:

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @eah

    Yup, that guy is angry. Do immigrants have american TV in their homes?

    Guess the State will have to pay as the cars were "improved" on State property?

    It's best not to intervene, lest one be arrested for aggravated manhandling of a hallowed guest pedestrian, especially if one is skilled in dealing with such people.

    Replies: @eah

    , @1661er
    @eah

    Good thing it's during day light. Other wise it would be a "Night of Broken Glasses." I heard German has a word for it. Are we sure those cars are not owned/operated by German Jews?

  52. @vinteuil

    It’s almost as if Galton were a real scientist … It’s like how at at 85 he discovered the concept of the Wisdom of Crowds. He went to a country fair where there was a contest to guess the weight of a prize bull. Galton said to himself, here’s a great data source on how bad people are at guessing! But then it turned out the mean guess was almost exactly right, so he had to sit down and figure out what was really going on. He was, as I said, 85.
     
    Being right about everything doesn't save Galton, and it doesn't save you. It doesn't save any of us.

    Replies: @Lot

    “Being right about everything doesn’t save Galton”

    But his work was cited by a Nazi!

    And not just any Nazi, but by “Hans F.K. Günther.”

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Lot


    But his work was cited by a Nazi!
     
    Unfortunately, "sigh" isn't among our available options.

    Sigh.
  53. @Lot
    Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.

    The Chinese did a large study based on national ID photos of criminals v non criminals, it has lots of good examples.

    Replies: @eah, @Anonymous, @Jack D

    The Chinese did a large study based on national ID photos of criminals v non criminals, it has lots of good examples.

    If engineers can develop a software (and hardware) system to drive a car, they can also develop one to fairly reliably identify typical facial features found in criminals.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @eah


    If engineers can develop a software (and hardware) system to drive a car, they can also develop one to fairly reliably identify typical facial features found in criminals.
     
    Yeah, I'll think of this the next time I read about a Tesla on autopilot driving into a truck.

    Replies: @eah, @Jim Don Bob

  54. @Felix M
    Physionomy just doesn’t work as an indicator of mental traits, except perhaps for severe mental impairment.

    For example, some saints, philosophers, chess champions, etc totally look the part, while others look just like ordinary folks. For example, a contemporary described C S Lewis as looking just like a village butcher.

    BTW, my own intelligence test is simply whether someone says something intelligent. (Not whether they make several such comments. And stupid comments don’t disqualify. Puns etc don’t count, either way.)

    Another informal test is whether people are interested in things beyond their day to day world. Yes, there can be barriers of self-importance or prejudice. But I find that, when faced with interesting questions, intelligent people take the bait and start discussing.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @stillCARealist, @Autochthon

    Most of the top 50 pictures of C.S. Lewis on Google show an intelligent-looking expression, although that might just be selection bias.

    Lewis was pretty similar looking to John von Neumann, who I would presume to consider the gold standard of intelligence for whom we have a lot of photos. Von Neumann more often than Lewis had a less than intelligent expression in his photos:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dr-john-von-neumann-world-famous-mathematician-and-member-of-the-picture-id514971214?s=2048×2048

    But there would be a difference between features and expression.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Steve Sailer

    Von Neumann looks smart to me: huge forehead, large eyes, very symmetrical.

    The same for Lewis, but he also has a friendly and unpretentious mien that you could imagine a butcher having (they are friendly and outgoing in my experience. It is a sales job partly, but meat sells itself in a way cars and clothing don’t, so their friendliness doesn’t feel forced.)

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @RobUK
    @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps they were thinking of G K Chesterton with the 'village butcher' reference.

    Replies: @Anonymousse

  55. @Steve Sailer
    @Felix M

    Most of the top 50 pictures of C.S. Lewis on Google show an intelligent-looking expression, although that might just be selection bias.

    Lewis was pretty similar looking to John von Neumann, who I would presume to consider the gold standard of intelligence for whom we have a lot of photos. Von Neumann more often than Lewis had a less than intelligent expression in his photos:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dr-john-von-neumann-world-famous-mathematician-and-member-of-the-picture-id514971214?s=2048x2048

    But there would be a difference between features and expression.

    Replies: @Lot, @RobUK

    Von Neumann looks smart to me: huge forehead, large eyes, very symmetrical.

    The same for Lewis, but he also has a friendly and unpretentious mien that you could imagine a butcher having (they are friendly and outgoing in my experience. It is a sales job partly, but meat sells itself in a way cars and clothing don’t, so their friendliness doesn’t feel forced.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Lot

    Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline. Frankly in some of his photos, Von Neumann looks kind of goofy:

    https://www.ias.edu/sites/default/files/styles/basic_scholar/public/images/scholars/6647.jpeg

    If I told you that this man was the assistant manager of your local bank branch instead of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, you'd have no problem believing it.

    God likes to play little jokes on us and house magnificent brains in goofy looking heads or vice versa. You can't judge a book by its cover.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Anonymous

  56. @Lot
    @vinteuil

    “Being right about everything doesn’t save Galton”

    But his work was cited by a Nazi!

    And not just any Nazi, but by “Hans F.K. Günther.”

    Replies: @vinteuil

    But his work was cited by a Nazi!

    Unfortunately, “sigh” isn’t among our available options.

    Sigh.

  57. From years of daily perusing of this website https://florida.arrests.org/ it is clear you do not have to be a police detective to notice the overwhelming majority of men arrested have facial hair. If you are a cop and see a man with facial hair and tattoos its game over. Run him for warrants, search his car and person and be ready to draw your gun.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @unit472


    If you are a cop and see a man with facial hair and tattoos its game over.
     
    But today this covers the whole hipster population. You even get a free fedora thrown in.
    , @anon
    @unit472

    I was going to point out you just described me, running warrants on whom would be pointless, but I suppose that's just "the exception that proves" etc.

    More to the point, you actually refute the thesis with your example: facial hair and tattoos are voluntary modifications (social constructs, if you will), not the underlying genetically determined physiognomy. That's like saying "A MS-13 tattoo is a sure sign of criminality" as if you were making a point about people born with one.

    , @Forbes
    @unit472

    I'm not current on our criminal class, but some years ago I had reason to peruse a raft of mug shots in NYC, and one of my take-aways was that a mustache on a non-Caucasian was not a distinguishing characteristic.

    Yet, if facial hair and tattoos, today, are representative of the criminal class, crime must be on a significant upswing.

    On the other hand, that good grooming, clean shaven, and personal hygiene are marks of law-abiding, shouldn't be a revelation.

  58. @Anon

    By Sahil Chinoy

    Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.
     
    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Mr McKenna, @Kaganovitch, @Anonymousse

    Eh, it’s not like the pundits at the gray hag are any better.

  59. @Steve Sailer
    @Felix M

    Most of the top 50 pictures of C.S. Lewis on Google show an intelligent-looking expression, although that might just be selection bias.

    Lewis was pretty similar looking to John von Neumann, who I would presume to consider the gold standard of intelligence for whom we have a lot of photos. Von Neumann more often than Lewis had a less than intelligent expression in his photos:

    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/dr-john-von-neumann-world-famous-mathematician-and-member-of-the-picture-id514971214?s=2048x2048

    But there would be a difference between features and expression.

    Replies: @Lot, @RobUK

    Perhaps they were thinking of G K Chesterton with the ‘village butcher’ reference.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    @RobUK

    Village butchers seem to be an altogether more impressive bunch than most supposed

  60. @eah
    Meanwhile in Merkelland: a Nigerian "Schutzsuchende" bashed the windows of cars at the Asylheim where he lives -- the cars were said to belong to German employees -- €50k damage -- here the German twitterer macht sich lustig by calling him an AfD election campaign helper on the job: "Ein AfD-Wahlkampfhelfer bei der Arbeit":

    https://twitter.com/Netzdenunziant/status/1149028618892382209

    Replies: @El Dato, @1661er

    Yup, that guy is angry. Do immigrants have american TV in their homes?

    Guess the State will have to pay as the cars were “improved” on State property?

    It’s best not to intervene, lest one be arrested for aggravated manhandling of a hallowed guest pedestrian, especially if one is skilled in dealing with such people.

    • Replies: @eah
    @El Dato

    Guess the State will have to pay as the cars were “improved” on State property?

    Not sure -- they may or may not be personally insured -- or the government, or private company, that operates the Asylheim (note the soccer field in the background) may have insurance -- other German twitter users made jokes about Carglass, a German automotive glass company that does a lot of media (radio) advertising -- ie he must be working for Carglass usw.

    Also the original tweet (hier geht es um ein Retweet) asked why none of the employees, whose voices you can hear on the video, trusted themselves or the "Schutzsuchende" (whom they must have known) enough to go outside and confront him (at least one male voice can be heard):

    Die Mitarbeiter schauten dabei zu, weil sich vermutlich keiner zu ihrem "Schutzsuchenden" nach draußen traute.

    You can see another male, also an employee I assume, watching from the soccer field: he does nothing as well -- but that's not surprising; it is "typisch Deutsch" I would say -- let him smash as many windows as he wants, we'll wait until the police arrive.

    There have been worse scenes -- at the link below you can watch an African wandering around in his underwear bash a 73 y/o woman in the head (Nürnberg); after she's on the ground, he kicks her in the face -- she was seriously injured -- it's also obvious people see what's going on, but no one intervenes.

    link

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Old Palo Altan

  61. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    facial features are 100 percent independent of personality traits, intelligence, or behavioral traits.
     
    Why wouldn't they be?

    Replies: @El Dato, @res

    Because humans are not engineered based on independently developed components but grow from a single cell that differentiates the body into parts over time. Formation of facial structure and the brain modules that deal with the muscles thereof are practically certain to be correlated with various ensembles of behaviorial traits.

    Would YOU trust this officer?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @El Dato

    Look up actor Robert Patrick. Genuinely good guy.

    Replies: @El Dato

  62. @Anonymous
    This guy explains what's going on and why we don't understand it.

    https://youtu.be/lQHiPViNnW4

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Peter Johnson, @Counterinsurgency, @Jim Don Bob

    This guy The Amazing Lucas is brilliant. What a lovely antidote to the usual MSM.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Peter Johnson

    Oops, I meant that [AGREE] for the next comment down, of Mr. Anonymousse on the NY Times staff. I'll check out the video shortly (and probably agree too).

  63. @Anon

    By Sahil Chinoy

    Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.
     
    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Mr McKenna, @Kaganovitch, @Anonymousse

    I am quite sure the janitorial staff of the NYT is vastly more insightful than the editorial staff of the NYT.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymousse

    AGREED and LOL (I was going to write something to this effect, but you nailed it!)

  64. @Colin Wright
    Add computerized analysis of body language and we could really get somewhere.

    The screen in the patrol car flashes, 'probable incipient felon headed north on west side of 3200 block of Cherry.' Officer O'Malley cruises over for some polite surveillance.

    As I say, I perceive moral issues, but technically, it could work. Fewer cops, less random harassment, more effective criminal apprehension and deterrence. After all, the poor shmoo who keeps getting picked out by the cameras is going to learn he can't get away with much at all.

    Replies: @Anonymousse

    As things stand this is infinitely more likely going to be used to identify secret doubters in required diversity training courses.

    I expect it’s already been used to dox badthinkers. Isn’t it mysterious how rag tag antifa someone managed to know the identity of every “white supremacist” photographed at
    Charlottesville?

    Except that one guy ostentatiously holding a swastika flag… even though his photograph was everywhere in news reports antifa seems curiously unable to identify him at all.

  65. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?
     
    The real question may be, what is this kid doing working as a graphics guy at a newspaper? From his online bio

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000, @Ibound1, @SimpleSong, @Coburn

    Piltdown, your comment is the thread’s most significant so far.

    Sahil Chinoy
    BA in Physics and Economics at UC Berkeley, 2013-2017
    4.0 GPA with Highest Distinction in General Scholarship, Highest Honors in Economics.
    Won the Economics Dept.’s Schimbor Prize in 2018 for best undergraduate thesis

    Chinoy also wrote “The Places in the U.S. Where Disaster Strikes Again and Again” in the 5/24/18 NYT (paywalled).

    So by any comparison with the general population, he is well on the right side of the bell curve in terms of intelligence, conscientiousness, and young-adult accomplishments. The 2018 article, his high grades in physics classes, and his thesis show that Chinoy can reason quantitatively.

    Yet he won this place of pride on iSteve by authoring a particularly ignorant and innumerate Op-Ed.

    Chinoy’s arguments on facial recognition slide into one another.

    1. It doesn’t work perfectly and is thus useless.
    2. It’s based on discredited pseudoscience and thus can’t work.
    3. It works, but it does better on white faces than on black faces.
    4. Its use will entrench racism, because it can be made to usefully address important questions.

    Chinoy isn’t a dim bulb. He’d never tolerate these heuristics if a correct conclusion was important, such as if he needed a complex medical condition diagnosed.

    This isn’t Political correctness makes you stupid. Rather, it’s You Get More Of What You Subsidize. In the absence of good arguments, NYT editors are promoting stupid and misleading arguments in favor of anti-white racism.

    As an economics major, Mr. Chinoy is faithfully responding to market signals. He’s smart enough to know that.

    • Agree: Triumph104
    • Replies: @eah
    @ic1000

    ...conscientiousness...He’d never tolerate these heuristics if a correct conclusion was important, such as if he needed a complex medical condition diagnosed...He’s smart enough to know that.

    So what you're essentially saying is that he's ethically challenged -- ie he'll do anything for a buck, including pen/peddle anti-whiteracist nonsense in a NYT editorial -- is that about right?

    , @J.Ross
    @ic1000

    An Asian, who tests well but doesn't comprehend what he's memorizing? We've never seen that before, have we?

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

  66. @El Dato
    @eah

    Yup, that guy is angry. Do immigrants have american TV in their homes?

    Guess the State will have to pay as the cars were "improved" on State property?

    It's best not to intervene, lest one be arrested for aggravated manhandling of a hallowed guest pedestrian, especially if one is skilled in dealing with such people.

    Replies: @eah

    Guess the State will have to pay as the cars were “improved” on State property?

    Not sure — they may or may not be personally insured — or the government, or private company, that operates the Asylheim (note the soccer field in the background) may have insurance — other German twitter users made jokes about Carglass, a German automotive glass company that does a lot of media (radio) advertising — ie he must be working for Carglass usw.

    Also the original tweet (hier geht es um ein Retweet) asked why none of the employees, whose voices you can hear on the video, trusted themselves or the “Schutzsuchende” (whom they must have known) enough to go outside and confront him (at least one male voice can be heard):

    Die Mitarbeiter schauten dabei zu, weil sich vermutlich keiner zu ihrem “Schutzsuchenden” nach draußen traute.

    You can see another male, also an employee I assume, watching from the soccer field: he does nothing as well — but that’s not surprising; it is “typisch Deutsch” I would say — let him smash as many windows as he wants, we’ll wait until the police arrive.

    There have been worse scenes — at the link below you can watch an African wandering around in his underwear bash a 73 y/o woman in the head (Nürnberg); after she’s on the ground, he kicks her in the face — she was seriously injured — it’s also obvious people see what’s going on, but no one intervenes.

    link

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @eah

    The phenomenon is mere Homo economicus: incentives increase a beahviour, and punishments decrease it.

    Commit a crime (if you are a Negro or alien), and you may (often enough) depend upon lenient, if any, punishment.

    Intervene to prevent or stop a crime (especially by a Negro or alien criminal) and you may (almost certainly, even if you yourself are a peace officer) depend upon accusations of bigotry and brutality – perhaps even defenestration or criminal prosecution yourself.

    Thus, increasingly, if one doesn't know the victim, one ignores even heinous acts such as the battery of the old woman. It's worth the risks to protect one's family and friends, most still reckon (who would not accept unjust incarceration or even death to protect his child?), but if the victim be a stranger (and, quite possibly, one of the very scoundrels and fools whose work facilitates the atrocities in the first place), it's best to mind one's own business.

    Too often, the victims are at the forefront of their own demise. Remember the young woman in Iowa? Who can say but if this old woman was in the streets the previous day shouting "Refugees [sic] are welcome here?"

    , @Old Palo Altan
    @eah

    Adolf Hitler said that, were they to lose the war, the German people would have proven themselves unworthy of survival.

    Looks like he was right.

  67. @ic1000
    @PiltdownMan

    Piltdown, your comment is the thread's most significant so far.

    Sahil Chinoy
    BA in Physics and Economics at UC Berkeley, 2013-2017
    4.0 GPA with Highest Distinction in General Scholarship, Highest Honors in Economics.
    Won the Economics Dept.'s Schimbor Prize in 2018 for best undergraduate thesis

    Chinoy also wrote "The Places in the U.S. Where Disaster Strikes Again and Again" in the 5/24/18 NYT (paywalled).

    So by any comparison with the general population, he is well on the right side of the bell curve in terms of intelligence, conscientiousness, and young-adult accomplishments. The 2018 article, his high grades in physics classes, and his thesis show that Chinoy can reason quantitatively.

    Yet he won this place of pride on iSteve by authoring a particularly ignorant and innumerate Op-Ed.

    Chinoy's arguments on facial recognition slide into one another.

    1. It doesn't work perfectly and is thus useless.
    2. It's based on discredited pseudoscience and thus can't work.
    3. It works, but it does better on white faces than on black faces.
    4. Its use will entrench racism, because it can be made to usefully address important questions.

    Chinoy isn't a dim bulb. He'd never tolerate these heuristics if a correct conclusion was important, such as if he needed a complex medical condition diagnosed.

    This isn't Political correctness makes you stupid. Rather, it's You Get More Of What You Subsidize. In the absence of good arguments, NYT editors are promoting stupid and misleading arguments in favor of anti-white racism.

    As an economics major, Mr. Chinoy is faithfully responding to market signals. He's smart enough to know that.

    Replies: @eah, @J.Ross

    …conscientiousness…He’d never tolerate these heuristics if a correct conclusion was important, such as if he needed a complex medical condition diagnosed…He’s smart enough to know that.

    So what you’re essentially saying is that he’s ethically challenged — ie he’ll do anything for a buck, including pen/peddle anti-whiteracist nonsense in a NYT editorial — is that about right?

  68. You can’t hide those racist lyin’ eyes.

  69. a country fair where there was a contest to guess the weight of a prize bull. Galton said to himself, here’s a great data source on how bad people are at guessing!

    Poor old Frankie G. He was probably intellectually incapable of inferring that these rustic hobbledehoys knew a good deal more about their field of interest than they would ever let on. Because they looked (and smelled) stupid, and did not care to give the gentleman any indications to the contrary.

    In his day there were even several sorts of slide-rule or cattle-gauge for computing the live or dead (i.e marketable quotient) weight of living cattle (or pigs etc.), in stone and lbs., from two quick measurements in inches; along the spine x the girth squared right behind the forelegs. Adjustable by breed by applying a constant.

    I bet the old boys at the fair could do the sizing by sight, having done way more than the requisite 10,000 hrs. staring critically and speculatively at cows’ arses all days except Sunday. If weighing in stones, easier to guess than lbs.

  70. @Peter Johnson
    @Anonymous

    This guy The Amazing Lucas is brilliant. What a lovely antidote to the usual MSM.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Oops, I meant that [AGREE] for the next comment down, of Mr. Anonymousse on the NY Times staff. I’ll check out the video shortly (and probably agree too).

  71. @Anonymousse
    @Anon

    I am quite sure the janitorial staff of the NYT is vastly more insightful than the editorial staff of the NYT.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    AGREED and LOL (I was going to write something to this effect, but you nailed it!)

  72. @Veracitor
    Can Sahil Chinoy really think that convicted criminals are not representative of criminals more generally?

    Wow, just wow.

    Replies: @bomag, @Clive Beaconsfield, @Anonymous

    I stopped there for a moment. Appears he wants to pass on the implication that a bunch of white and asian criminals don’t get convicted ’cause the system just wants to make blacks look bad. Seems to be how his mind works.

    Also: criminality is written neither in one’s genes nor on one’s face; still suggests there is something that distinguishes the criminal from the non-criminal; I’m sure Sahil Chinoy will objectively report the findings when they come in.

  73. Sahil Chinoy, the graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section, doesn’t seem to know the meaning of the term “facial recognition”; it doesn’t mean nearly everything he was whining about.

  74. Just five years ago, everybody who was anybody, like Obama, was explaining that we need lots more video cameras everywhere to catch all the white racists in action.

    Reminds me of the Bigfoot craze. As soon as phone cameras became ubiquitous, then all the recorded sightings stopped.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @TelfoedJohn

    Race is a social construct.

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1hDjuHKd%2BL._SY679_.jpg

  75. @International Jew

    Apparently, we still haven’t learned that faces do not contain some deeper truth about the people they belong to.
     
    What then do we make of the Smirk heard 'round the world?

    https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/rtrlten781333-1548181884.jpg

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Corvinus

    Well, if I channel my Luke Ford and employ the ol’ physiognomy chart, the broadness of the Native American’s face is harmless since he is narrow headed, and the pale face is dangerous because of his protruded chin.

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/01/30/helpful-guide-to-human-character

    Yep, the science proves it.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Corvinus

    We can guess pretty well what you look like.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  76. @Anon
    That Luke Ford post links to Chateau Heartiste, RIP, which had regular illustrated Physiognamy is Real posts. Since Heartiste had been doing those posts frequently in the months before its demise, I can't help but think that our little subcontinental auteur was a regular reader of Heartiste, and in all probability is a reader of Steve Sailer.

    Heartiste was mostly interested in facial distinction between alpha men and cucks, ball-crushing dominant women and desirable marriage partners, and so on. Neither he nor Luke Ford were interested in distinguishing between population groups, or the sexes within population groups, via facial recognition.

    It's going to get harder and harder to claim that facial features are 100 percent independent of personality traits, intelligence, or behavioral traits. Keven Mitchell in Innate edges up to the border of the topic. Neurologists do initial diagnosis of many genetic defects via facial traits, and recently AI has been harnessed to automate the initial stage of that. You can guess the probability of heart disease from earlobe shape. Women (and men) prefer certain facial types, and this can be thought of in terms of evolutionary forces, knowing which prospective mate will most likely further your goals. At the least, asymmetry is an indicator of something going wrong on one side of the body, since the genome at the point of left-right division was identical. And even if, for example, "weak" faces do not indicate underlying genetically-sourced weak acting brains, cultural feedback would have an effect on the person with such a face.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    “Heartiste was mostly interested in facial distinction between alpha men and cucks…”

    Here is what Heartiste looks like. His real name is James Weidmann. The name is Jewish, so we can surmise he is of that race/ethnicity/religion.

    https://kennyspuathoughts.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/roissychateau-heartisteexposed-as-a-manipulative-blogger/

    NOTICE his stretched tight smile (upper lip tight across teeth). This “overly sincere” smile is a mask that hides the owner’s true agenda with an attempt to communicate an unfelt sincerity or caring. It is a deception flashed to make an impression. In other words, a gamma male.

    http://rebloggy.com/post/lips-teeth-science-faces-spirituality-psychology-biology-philosophy-greek-face-r/38606449840

    Again, science proves it!

    • Replies: @Herzog
    @Corvinus

    Weidmann is a quite common name in Germany, and doesn't ring particularly Jewish to me. German-based Jewish names tend to refer to precious or / and beautiful objects (Rosenblatt = rose petal, Goldstein = gold stone, etc.), whereas Weidmann translates as "willow man."

    Replies: @El Dato, @Corvinus, @Jim Don Bob

    , @J.Ross
    @Corvinus

    His Mann has two N's.

  77. @Veracitor
    Can Sahil Chinoy really think that convicted criminals are not representative of criminals more generally?

    Wow, just wow.

    Replies: @bomag, @Clive Beaconsfield, @Anonymous

    I’ll believe that people convicted for marijuana possession are not representative of pot smokers.

    I’m pretty sure people convicted of murder and armed robbery are pretty doggone representative.

  78. @Mr McKenna
    Feature Not Bug

    we have lots more video cameras … but we’re mostly getting to see family brawls in Toon Town
     
    You say "but" ...but I say "and!"

    https://i.imgur.com/bKGj4no.jpg

    Replies: @swami_cuckenstein

    what the fuck, this is way way too close to where I live.

  79. @Diversity is Great!

    Medical slang. Flk stands for “funny-looking kid, ” and was a general term for infants affected with various malformation syndromes, particularly those involving multiple facial abnormalities. Considered demeaning and insensitive, it is no longer in use.


    Dr. Ahmad M Hadied
    Orthopedic Surgery

     

    Source: HealthTap, https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/163970-overheard-resident-say-flk-and-attending-say-my-child-needs-to-see-pediatric-geneticist-what-was

    Replies: @Prof. Woland

    GORK – God only really knows. That is when someone is wheeled into the ER unconscious or cannot say what happened or explain the symptoms. Veterinarians have this expression too.

  80. @unit472
    From years of daily perusing of this website https://florida.arrests.org/ it is clear you do not have to be a police detective to notice the overwhelming majority of men arrested have facial hair. If you are a cop and see a man with facial hair and tattoos its game over. Run him for warrants, search his car and person and be ready to draw your gun.

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon, @Forbes

    If you are a cop and see a man with facial hair and tattoos its game over.

    But today this covers the whole hipster population. You even get a free fedora thrown in.

  81. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?
     
    The real question may be, what is this kid doing working as a graphics guy at a newspaper? From his online bio

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000, @Ibound1, @SimpleSong, @Coburn

    My opinion of Cal just took a dive.

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
  82. Wired:

    How Facial Recognition Is Fighting Child Sex Trafficking

    Tom Simonite
    06.19.19

    One evening in April, a California law enforcement officer was browsing Facebook when she saw a post from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children with a picture of a missing child. The officer took a screenshot of the image, which she later fed into a tool created by nonprofit Thorn to help investigators find underage sex-trafficking victims. The tool, called Spotlight, uses text- and image-processing algorithms to match faces and other clues in online sex ads with other evidence.

    Using Amazon’s facial recognition technology, Spotlight quickly returned a list of online sex ads featuring the girl’s photo. She had been sold for weeks. The ads set in motion some more traditional police work. “Within weeks that child was recovered and removed from trauma,” Julie Cordua, CEO of Thorn, said, recounting the case at an Amazon conference in Las Vegas this month.

    The rescue illustrates Thorn’s strategy of nurturing new technology to combat child sex-trafficking and exploitation online. The nonprofit was cofounded in 2009 by actors Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher and has become influential with both law enforcement—who can use Spotlight and other tools for free—and the tech industry. Thorn’s partners include Facebook, Amazon, and Dropbox.

  83. The fact that state and local entities are decriminalizing theft up to $750 -$1,000 will increase the pressure on merchants to non-violently protect themselves and facial recognition is the obvious way. When a law decriminalizing theft is enacted it is also saying that you better not hurt the little angels or try to stop them in any way. The Costco model might be the waive of the future where to get in you have to pay an annual fee of some sort and pass muster. If not more people will shop on Amazon.

  84. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lot
    Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.

    The Chinese did a large study based on national ID photos of criminals v non criminals, it has lots of good examples.

    Replies: @eah, @Anonymous, @Jack D

    Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.

    What are “narrow eyes”?

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/852721936/shifty2.gif

    , @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Meaning eyes too close together (narrow pupil to pupil distance). This is indicative of a small skull which is correlated with lower intelligence. Correlated, not dispositive.

    The problem with all these "tells" is that they have statistical value but they are not sure fire - if you rely on them, there are going to be lots of false positives and false negatives. This reduces their usefulness considerably. But they still have their uses. For example, you wouldn't want the AI to trigger the automatic machine guns on such a person but you might have the store cameras follow him around.

    The problem is always going to be "racism". If you are picking out potential shoplifters for the cameras to follow, the #1 factor is going to be race. If the camera follows all the black customers around the store owner is going to be accused of racism as soon as it leaks out but if the camera ignores race then the AI is going to be a lot less good, maybe worthless.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous

  85. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472
    From years of daily perusing of this website https://florida.arrests.org/ it is clear you do not have to be a police detective to notice the overwhelming majority of men arrested have facial hair. If you are a cop and see a man with facial hair and tattoos its game over. Run him for warrants, search his car and person and be ready to draw your gun.

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon, @Forbes

    I was going to point out you just described me, running warrants on whom would be pointless, but I suppose that’s just “the exception that proves” etc.

    More to the point, you actually refute the thesis with your example: facial hair and tattoos are voluntary modifications (social constructs, if you will), not the underlying genetically determined physiognomy. That’s like saying “A MS-13 tattoo is a sure sign of criminality” as if you were making a point about people born with one.

  86. Come on, you think we can predict anything about personality based on looking at someone’s face? Next you’ll tell me you can reach a conclusion about someone’s gender by seeing xir genitals.

  87. @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    Because humans are not engineered based on independently developed components but grow from a single cell that differentiates the body into parts over time. Formation of facial structure and the brain modules that deal with the muscles thereof are practically certain to be correlated with various ensembles of behaviorial traits.

    Would YOU trust this officer?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNwy0R_0im0

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic

    Look up actor Robert Patrick. Genuinely good guy.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    I know.

    But here he is playing a machine that plays a cop but evidently lets completely human messages through that makes him look shifty. Realistically, pseudo-cop would have zero dubious signalling.

    So he play a machine playing a shifty human playing a cop.

    Ohhhh. OT!

    Undocumented ‘Black Vest’ migrant protesters occupy Pantheon in Paris, demand papers (VIDEOS)

    This is not the german way of demanding papers for sure.

  88. @Felix M
    Physionomy just doesn’t work as an indicator of mental traits, except perhaps for severe mental impairment.

    For example, some saints, philosophers, chess champions, etc totally look the part, while others look just like ordinary folks. For example, a contemporary described C S Lewis as looking just like a village butcher.

    BTW, my own intelligence test is simply whether someone says something intelligent. (Not whether they make several such comments. And stupid comments don’t disqualify. Puns etc don’t count, either way.)

    Another informal test is whether people are interested in things beyond their day to day world. Yes, there can be barriers of self-importance or prejudice. But I find that, when faced with interesting questions, intelligent people take the bait and start discussing.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @stillCARealist, @Autochthon

    I know I’ve mentioned this before, but does anybody else remember the old claim, by a doctor, that one could determine who a criminal is just by taking vital signs? Young men were being measured, of course, and the tendency was that the lower the vitals, the more likely he’s a criminal. Blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, and breathing rate are lower in these guys, so it takes the rush and danger of criminal activity to get them going and feeling alive.

    This is probably true of soldiers and dangerous sports participants too.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @stillCARealist

    So all endurance athletes are criminals? You do realise low blood pressure, a slow (resting) heart rate, and slow (not strained!) breathing are simply signs of excellent health, and that what evidence we have suggests, if anything, criminals are prone to being more unhealthy than average?

    (I have no expertise about how one's temperature may fit in here; I suppose a low temperature could suggest poor ciruculation or anemia...?)

  89. And he is specifically responding to the market signals for the pathway to political power. You would expect someone with his RonUnzian academic record to be following a more Unzlike path and be working on a tech startup. It isn’t like the Silicon Valley Indian posse wouldn’t be showering him with opportunities and capital needed to make the really big bucks. Looks like he is choosing a seemingly minor job at the NYT which is way below his mental abilities, as a foot in the door to the institutions of power.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Alfa158

    It's interesting the a "graphics editor" who happens to work for them but who is otherwise categorically unremarkable, writing categorically unremarkable nonsense containing no original ideas, is worthy to have his opinion published, but Jared Taylor – an inarguably far more popular man, whether one chooses to consider him famous or infamous, with remarkable and original ideas sure to be novel for many readers – is not worthy to have his opinions published.

    It's as though a museum were uninterested in an offer of the owner to exhibit works by Pollack – live him or hate him, a noteworthy artist who did something different – but that same museum announced a week later the opening of an exhibition of it's janitor's pottery (consisting of clay ashtrays he sculpted in his high school art class, no less)....

  90. @Father O'Hara
    @syonredux

    I'd say "Nazi" race science.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I’d say “Nazi” race science.

    Then there’s Nazi “race” science…..

  91. @Roger
    The quote is from the Chateau Heartiste blog. Formerly, Roissy. There is no link as Wordpress has de-platformed it.

    I would not call that blog "white nationalist". The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @L Woods, @AndrewR, @Moses

    It’s been pretty white nationalist for a couple of years now. The RooshV vibrants will often complain of this fact (although they’re not the predominate influence there anymore either).

    • LOL: AndrewR
  92. By Sahil Chinoy Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.

    Am i the only one noticing that the rate at which Desis, Chinese and Koreans are showing up in classic SJW media jobs is ramping up tremendously? So who’s getting pushed out? Jews? I doubt it. That leaves… yeah, whitey. Even white SJWs.

    It’s perfectly clear that the Jewish over-class (not necessarily the billionaires; also the media Narrative handlers making $30K a year) has consciously allied with Asians in their relentless anti-white messaging. Every day it seems a new anti-white Asian shows up with a byline somewhere on Jewish controlled media. In five years, the NY Times staff will be 95% Jews and Asians, with a smattering of token blacks and Hispanics and Arabs.

    This is your new ruling class being formed. It’s fascinating to watch, however doleful the effects are going to be.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @peterike

    Yeah, you don't see many stories anymore with bylines like "Chuck Baker" or "Joe Flaherty"

  93. The equally batrachian and beatific face of the mayor of Chicago, radiating smugness as she announces refusal to cooperate with her own government, is the physiognomic assurance of evil, hatred, and degeneration.
    https://postimg.cc/kRKFpxP4
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/12/chicago-mayor-bans-ice-from-accessing-police-databases-before-raids/

  94. @Anonymous
    White supremacy in action a few days ago.

    https://youtu.be/HocfYt3EM0s

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr McKenna, @El Dato

    Literally black Thursday.

    Why is Walgreens open at 22:00?

  95. @ic1000
    @PiltdownMan

    Piltdown, your comment is the thread's most significant so far.

    Sahil Chinoy
    BA in Physics and Economics at UC Berkeley, 2013-2017
    4.0 GPA with Highest Distinction in General Scholarship, Highest Honors in Economics.
    Won the Economics Dept.'s Schimbor Prize in 2018 for best undergraduate thesis

    Chinoy also wrote "The Places in the U.S. Where Disaster Strikes Again and Again" in the 5/24/18 NYT (paywalled).

    So by any comparison with the general population, he is well on the right side of the bell curve in terms of intelligence, conscientiousness, and young-adult accomplishments. The 2018 article, his high grades in physics classes, and his thesis show that Chinoy can reason quantitatively.

    Yet he won this place of pride on iSteve by authoring a particularly ignorant and innumerate Op-Ed.

    Chinoy's arguments on facial recognition slide into one another.

    1. It doesn't work perfectly and is thus useless.
    2. It's based on discredited pseudoscience and thus can't work.
    3. It works, but it does better on white faces than on black faces.
    4. Its use will entrench racism, because it can be made to usefully address important questions.

    Chinoy isn't a dim bulb. He'd never tolerate these heuristics if a correct conclusion was important, such as if he needed a complex medical condition diagnosed.

    This isn't Political correctness makes you stupid. Rather, it's You Get More Of What You Subsidize. In the absence of good arguments, NYT editors are promoting stupid and misleading arguments in favor of anti-white racism.

    As an economics major, Mr. Chinoy is faithfully responding to market signals. He's smart enough to know that.

    Replies: @eah, @J.Ross

    An Asian, who tests well but doesn’t comprehend what he’s memorizing? We’ve never seen that before, have we?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @J.Ross

    I mean the list of achievements clearly disprove that idea that "he doesn't know what he's doing"

    Replies: @J.Ross

  96. @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.
     
    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Colin Wright, @res, @Colin Wright

    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration

    No, not an exaggeration.

  97. @jim jones
    On American TV male pattern baldness is a sure sign pf criminality

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @Autochthon

    I’ve never picked up on this but it’s totally true. The one bald good guy that comes rapidly to mind is — the evil corrupt white cop from the Shield.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @J.Ross

    There was also the Bad Boss Cop from Blade Runner. In the later-added voiceover "A guy who would call a black man a nigger".

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Joe

  98. Anonymous[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Speaking of physiognomy, they interviewed the Bagel Boss guy:

    https://twitter.com/woke8yearold/status/1149510672956325888

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Father O'Hara, @Anonymous, @MikeatMikedotMike

    That’s Doctor New York City Public Defender to you.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Anonymous

    Anyone calling themselves "doctor" with anything but a medical degree must be tarred and feathered.* Isn't "esquire" enough for her?

    *Except professors, who may call themselves Herr Doktor, because I think it's funny.

  99. res says:
    @Anonymous
    @Roger


    I would not call that blog “white nationalist”. The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.
     
    A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author's preference?

    Replies: @res

    A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author’s preference?

    That is a rather extreme definition. Let’s see some other sources.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20nationalist

    one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist

    White nationalist groups espouse white supremacist or white separatist ideologies, often focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites. Groups listed in a variety of other categories – Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity – could also be fairly described as white nationalist.

    Your definition seems most useful as a way of playing motte and bailey games with labeling people. Is that your intent?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @res

    "A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author’s preference? --> "That is a rather extreme definition."

    According to Who/Whom?

    How about this definition? White nationalist groups, which run the gamut of organizations from the KKK to Christian Identity, express white supremacist ideologies, which may also incorporate notions of separatism.

    , @Autochthon
    @res

    Actually, his definition is spot on, in both denotation and etymology. Those you cite are, at best, connotative ploys at charging. perfectly neutral term with controversy to impugn those it describes.

    The phenomena is akin to one's defining obesity not by its simple, medical and commonsense meanings, but as something like "the state of lard-assed pigs who eat too many Ding-Dongs and Cheet-ohs."

    I'm dissapointed in Merriam-Webster and reminded why I long ago stopped citing them.

    Replies: @res

  100. @Anon
    @Reg Cæsar


    Amateur. This is how a pro smirks:
     
    Trump should invite the nation's top U15 boys soccer team to the White House and feed them on hundreds of fast food burgers. Then throw down a challenge: lesbians vs. boys. $100,000 of Trump's personal funds donated to charities chosen by the winners. If the lesbians don't bite, set up a match with the next highest ranking team and the U15s. Keep going down the list.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    If the lesbians don’t bite

    Do lesbians bite?

  101. @Anonymous
    @Anon


    facial features are 100 percent independent of personality traits, intelligence, or behavioral traits.
     
    Why wouldn't they be?

    Replies: @El Dato, @res

    Why wouldn’t they be?

    1. Genetics influencing overall development.
    2. Environment influencing overall development.

    Symmetry is commonly associated with good development (though there does seem to be some argument there). Dental health and nutrition is another example. For example, see https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/traditional-diets/ancient-dietary-wisdom-for-tomorrows-children/

  102. @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.
     
    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Colin Wright, @res, @Colin Wright

    ‘320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.’

    Is it? Think about it. You’re approached from behind in an isolated alley by a middle-aged white woman.

    You’re approached from behind in an isolated alley by a young black man.

    The weird thing about all this is that on an intuitive level, we all know. It’s just that some of us refuse to consciously accept what our intuition tells us.

  103. @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.
     
    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Colin Wright, @res, @Colin Wright

    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.

    Agreed, but I do find the original comment plausible for identifying groups that differ 320x. For example, consider young black males vs. older white females for tendency towards violent crime.

  104. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?
     
    The real question may be, what is this kid doing working as a graphics guy at a newspaper? From his online bio

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000, @Ibound1, @SimpleSong, @Coburn

    One interpretation of this is to say that this is clearly a bright kid writing drivel, and scratch our heads and ask what happened.

    Another interpretation is to say that intelligence can be defined as an ability to accurately see the world as it truly is, given the finite and imperfect life experience of one individual. Or alternatively it can be defined as the ability to receive, understand, manipulate and repeat established wisdom. Of course these categories overlap but they are not the same thing, and impressive educational credentials tend to correlate exclusively with the latter. Perhaps this person has a lot of the latter sort of intelligence, and not much of the former.

    Personally, I would not consider this person intelligent any more than I would consider a person who can memorize a million digits of pi intelligent.

    And I must admit that I have found that life of the mind of Europeans seems to be qualitatively different than that of non-Europeans who score approximately the same on intelligence testing.

    Thus, while I think that intelligence, college grades, etc. have value, their importance tends to be overstated, particularly on sites like this where everyone has those high scores and conflates that with their own self worth. Personally I consider the relationship between these sorts of scores and the squishy, poorly defined concept of ‘intelligence’ to be similar to the relationship between height and the squishy, poorly defined concept of basketball ability. Height clearly correlates quite strongly with the ability to play basketball well.

    But:

    the best players are not necessarily the tallest
    The tallest team is not necessarily the best team
    The tallest ethnic group in the US (Whites) does not necessarily produce the best players
    The best team is not determined by measuring heights but rather by playing the game

    Thus I think if you want to understand which group is ‘intelligent’ you should read Murray’s Human Accomplishment rather than comparing test scores.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @SimpleSong

    This comment should be put in a golden box.

    , @William Badwhite
    @SimpleSong

    Great comment

    , @J.Ross
    @SimpleSong

    Possible illustration: A kid like this would read the Phantom Tollbooth and be genuinely perplexed about not being allowed to finish transporting the hill of sand one grain at a time.
    And -- if you presumed to criticize him, he'd demand to know how many hills you had moved.

  105. @syonredux

    Artificial intelligence and modern computing are giving new life and a veneer of objectivity to these debunked theories, which were once used to legitimize slavery and perpetuate Nazi race “science.”
     
    Shouldn't that be Nazi "race science?"

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Herzog

    “Nazi” race science

  106. @unit472
    From years of daily perusing of this website https://florida.arrests.org/ it is clear you do not have to be a police detective to notice the overwhelming majority of men arrested have facial hair. If you are a cop and see a man with facial hair and tattoos its game over. Run him for warrants, search his car and person and be ready to draw your gun.

    Replies: @El Dato, @anon, @Forbes

    I’m not current on our criminal class, but some years ago I had reason to peruse a raft of mug shots in NYC, and one of my take-aways was that a mustache on a non-Caucasian was not a distinguishing characteristic.

    Yet, if facial hair and tattoos, today, are representative of the criminal class, crime must be on a significant upswing.

    On the other hand, that good grooming, clean shaven, and personal hygiene are marks of law-abiding, shouldn’t be a revelation.

  107. @Roger
    The quote is from the Chateau Heartiste blog. Formerly, Roissy. There is no link as Wordpress has de-platformed it.

    I would not call that blog "white nationalist". The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @L Woods, @AndrewR, @Moses

    Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @AndrewR

    "Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though."

    But he has a Jewish last name, which lends support to the idea that he has Jewish blood in him. I thought we aren't suppose to trust "their kind".

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Roger
    @AndrewR


    Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though.
     
    He would always praise beautiful women, and he thought white were the most beautiful. So sure, he had pro-white biases.

    Nihilistic? Yes, in the sense that he thought civilization was collapsing and little could be done about it. He say little point in even trying.

    But I would not call that attitude "white nationalist". The term white nationalism suggests an effort to create a white nation. He would probably laugh that off as being hopeless.
  108. @RobUK
    One of the pioneers of 19th-century facial analysis, Francis Galton, was a prominent British eugenicist.

    Embarrassingly for the Left, Eugenics was a big Progressive thing pre-War, all the fashionable Socialists were into it. A certain Herr Hitler soiled the brand a little bit and since then it has been misrepresented as the invention and idea of Nazism. You would have to dig deep, very deep, in the Progressive media to find that out.

    Replies: @Unladen Swallow

    That information has been effectively memory-holed, Matt Ridley pointed this out in his book “Genome” which was published in 1999. Karl Pearson in particular tried to link socialism and eugenics, but others like H.G. Wells and Sidney and Beatrice Webb said things far worse about their fellow humans than Galton ever said ( The Webbs were later big supporters of Stalin as well ). Galton like his half cousin Darwin was strongly against coercive measures by the state and was strongly in favor of positive eugenics (encouraging smart people to have children), not negative eugenics like a lot of the left wing proponents of it were.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Unladen Swallow

    Yeah, there was a pretty good little book I read a while back called the Myth of Social Darwinism. Which had it that we were being taught it was the the ideology of self-interested businessmen fond of laissez-faire policies. Herbert Spencer being the primary villain.

    Turns out, unsurprisingly, those most likely to invoke Darwin in their social theories were of the left. Progressives and socialists. Jack London, for instance, was a Social Darwinist.

    There's also this myth abroad that Social Darwinism was somehow a corruption of Darwin, though it's virtually inarguable that Darwin himself was a Social Darwinist. And genetic science today certainly hasn't falsified the notion that natural selection operates at the social level.

  109. @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan


    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     
    This guy took a coveted seat at Cal Berkeley from a deserving American kid.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Neuday

    Why would an American want anything to do with Berkeley?

  110. @Colin Wright
    I imagine facial recognition software can identify a young black male. Men most be something like ten times more likely to commit a violent crime than a woman is. Then of course the young are just friskier than us oldsters. Call that 4x. Finally, a black is about eight times more likely to commit a violent crime than a white.

    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.

    That's pretty good. Further refinement might prove more challenging but there often is something...appalling...in some of those mugshot visages. Your basic guy accused of dumping gas all over a girl and setting her alight just doesn't look like Adam Sandler.

    So I'd guess we could get it up to a thousand-fold increase in probability. That has interesting moral implications, but I don't see any technological diificulties.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    Men most be something like ten times more likely to commit a violent crime than a woman is.

    I wonder if that’s true for blacks. I did a cursory Duck Duck Go search, but couldn’t get an answer. I know that black women commit murder at a higher rate than white men.

    • Replies: @Elli
    @Harry Baldwin

    No, white men commit more murders per capita than black women do.

    https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/off_selection.asp

  111. @Father O'Hara
    @Anonymous

    Look, it's whiskey!

    Replies: @Whiskey

    I’d rather not be in Philadelphia.

  112. @TelfoedJohn

    Just five years ago, everybody who was anybody, like Obama, was explaining that we need lots more video cameras everywhere to catch all the white racists in action.
     
    Reminds me of the Bigfoot craze. As soon as phone cameras became ubiquitous, then all the recorded sightings stopped.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    Race is a social construct.

  113. @stillCARealist
    @Felix M

    I know I've mentioned this before, but does anybody else remember the old claim, by a doctor, that one could determine who a criminal is just by taking vital signs? Young men were being measured, of course, and the tendency was that the lower the vitals, the more likely he's a criminal. Blood pressure, heart rate, body temperature, and breathing rate are lower in these guys, so it takes the rush and danger of criminal activity to get them going and feeling alive.

    This is probably true of soldiers and dangerous sports participants too.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    So all endurance athletes are criminals? You do realise low blood pressure, a slow (resting) heart rate, and slow (not strained!) breathing are simply signs of excellent health, and that what evidence we have suggests, if anything, criminals are prone to being more unhealthy than average?

    (I have no expertise about how one’s temperature may fit in here; I suppose a low temperature could suggest poor ciruculation or anemia…?)

  114. @Anonymous
    @Colin Wright


    So our facial recognition software can already isolate a population that is 320 times more likely than average to commit a crime.
     
    320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.

    Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome, @Colin Wright, @res, @Colin Wright

    ‘320X greater than average is surely a wild exaggeration, especially if average takes into account that population demographic.’

    Thinking about it, you’re right. Young black males would be 320 times more likely (or something) to commit violent crimes than older non-black women. They’d be 32 times more likely to commit crimes than older non-black men. Etc.

  115. “Hey guyz, I read a meme about physiognomy on a blog.”

    – supposedly legitimate news outlet

  116. “we cannot predict people’s character from their appearance”

    One could do a pretty good job, based on mugshots and the white male sex pervert stereotype:

    https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/redlettermedia/images/8/89/Rich_evans.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/220?cb=20150111044225

    However, I wonder whether Dot Indian journalists have a different sense of time, because facial recognition isn’t predicting anything. It’s simply recognizing faces in the present. It cannot determine a person’s character, true. But people draw conclusions from behavior associated with the faces caught on camera. It is much easier to tell character from a person’s actions.

    The supposed debunking of race science that never actually took place is very important to them.

  117. Anonymous[118] • Disclaimer says:
    @Veracitor
    Can Sahil Chinoy really think that convicted criminals are not representative of criminals more generally?

    Wow, just wow.

    Replies: @bomag, @Clive Beaconsfield, @Anonymous

    The prisons are full of people convicted of crimes they never committed. Just ask them. Sahil apparently did.

  118. @Anonymous
    @Lot


    Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.
     
    What are "narrow eyes"?

    Replies: @guest, @Jack D

  119. @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1149174469593899008

    That's Doctor New York City Public Defender to you.

    Replies: @guest

    Anyone calling themselves “doctor” with anything but a medical degree must be tarred and feathered.* Isn’t “esquire” enough for her?

    *Except professors, who may call themselves Herr Doktor, because I think it’s funny.

  120. @Anonymous
    This guy explains what's going on and why we don't understand it.

    https://youtu.be/lQHiPViNnW4

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Peter Johnson, @Counterinsurgency, @Jim Don Bob

    I say again, you have to listen to what the speaker says and take it seriously.

    Suppose that when the speaker says “it’s White supremacy” he’s exactly right. Suppose that the “rage” of which he speaks is that Whites have built a society in which IQ 85 or below makes a man de facto unemployable. Suppose also that the society requires a level of emotional control that is, let’s say, distasteful to the average Black (which is why Whites were once called “ice people” by
    Black studies professor Leonard Jeffries: they display what seemed to Jeffries to be icy lack of emotion, certainly a lack of the emotions that befit a man, and who consequently hire black women preferentially.

    So, here you are in a society that has very little room for you (it isn’t obvious what Liberal Lucas could do for a day job) and can only offer charity to the most talented members of your kin/race (e.g. the Black Middle Class being mainly government employees with patronage jobs, an effective quota for Blacks in jobs that require more self-control and more cognitive ability than their holders can muster.)

    My friends, that would be enough to upset the Dali Lama, let alone the current Black US population that sees half of its numbers unemployable, sees itself being pushed out of cities for more “desirable” tenants such as recent Black African immigrants, sees itself with little to do except self-medicate and play “gangs” to at least have some source of pride, and, above all, is subject to endless Liberal and Conservative talk about how Blacks could do it if only the pulled up their pants and worked for a change.

    That’s why Liberal Lucas says that intra-Black fights are due to White Supremacy. All the Blacks are, let’s say, in a bad mood because of the above paragraph, caused by White Supremacy. In one sentence: We have to live with these superior beings in a society they designed for themselves, and the sheer hopelessness living in that society has everybody nearly psychotic with deculturalization and [1] the uniform heartening failure of everything they try.

    Read it that way and Liberal Lucas is talking literal truth. Maybe that’s what he means. It’s a bit racist, but, hey, one thing Blacks have always been envied for is their perception of obvious and important things that nobody else can see.

    Elsewhere, Black society has simply rejected European civilization (or subjugated it), and so doesn’t face the same challenge that Afro-Americans face. So these Black societies are violent, so what? Emotions can be expressed, and, while things aren’t good, at least things make sense to the society’s members. Better to be a member of society in Hell than a mendicant (or political pawn) in Heaven, perhaps? Would demons be happy in Heaven? I’ve seen it conjectured [2] that Satan himself has realized that his rebellion was hopeless in that he never wished to be God and rule Heaven, but just thought he did, and so was better of as opposition in Hell than ruler of Heaven.

    If the above is true, then:
    a) Laughing at Liberal Lucas just digs us (everybody in the US) in deeper, and
    b) We in the US have a problem without even a theoretical known solution satisfactory to all parties.

    No jokes this time.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deculturalization
    2] James Blish.
    _Black Easter_
    _The Day After Judgment_
    First edition 1968.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Easter
    A thoroughly dispiriting book that rehashes some of the perennial questions about the Enlightenment vs. the Age of Faith in a semi-mythological form.

  121. @Unladen Swallow
    @RobUK

    That information has been effectively memory-holed, Matt Ridley pointed this out in his book "Genome" which was published in 1999. Karl Pearson in particular tried to link socialism and eugenics, but others like H.G. Wells and Sidney and Beatrice Webb said things far worse about their fellow humans than Galton ever said ( The Webbs were later big supporters of Stalin as well ). Galton like his half cousin Darwin was strongly against coercive measures by the state and was strongly in favor of positive eugenics (encouraging smart people to have children), not negative eugenics like a lot of the left wing proponents of it were.

    Replies: @guest

    Yeah, there was a pretty good little book I read a while back called the Myth of Social Darwinism. Which had it that we were being taught it was the the ideology of self-interested businessmen fond of laissez-faire policies. Herbert Spencer being the primary villain.

    Turns out, unsurprisingly, those most likely to invoke Darwin in their social theories were of the left. Progressives and socialists. Jack London, for instance, was a Social Darwinist.

    There’s also this myth abroad that Social Darwinism was somehow a corruption of Darwin, though it’s virtually inarguable that Darwin himself was a Social Darwinist. And genetic science today certainly hasn’t falsified the notion that natural selection operates at the social level.

  122. @eah
    Here’s a picture of Mr. Chinoy.

    link

    And above is a link to the result of a bing.com image search for "new york times scholarship winners" -- so he seems roughly representative of the young demographic apparently favored by the NYT (he could be a computer generated composite) -- 2018 winners below.

    Also I'm a bit surprised to learn there is a need for a "graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section", since you mostly hear lately how they are downsizing.

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/03/08/nyregion/08scholars/merlin_135145191_c1344dfc-28d6-42d8-996c-dd5f3dac4c9e-jumbo.jpg

    Replies: @Lurker

    Also I’m a bit surprised to learn there is a need for a “graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section”, since you mostly hear lately how they are downsizing.

    Maybe he’s trying to increase his utility there? His kick-ass graphics editing skillz got him through the door and now he’s setting out to prove what else he can do.

  123. A combination of physiognomy and anthroponymy just might point to certain behavioural patterns.

    https://bit.ly/2LRF6CX

  124. @Alfa158
    And he is specifically responding to the market signals for the pathway to political power. You would expect someone with his RonUnzian academic record to be following a more Unzlike path and be working on a tech startup. It isn’t like the Silicon Valley Indian posse wouldn’t be showering him with opportunities and capital needed to make the really big bucks. Looks like he is choosing a seemingly minor job at the NYT which is way below his mental abilities, as a foot in the door to the institutions of power.

    Replies: @Autochthon

    It’s interesting the a “graphics editor” who happens to work for them but who is otherwise categorically unremarkable, writing categorically unremarkable nonsense containing no original ideas, is worthy to have his opinion published, but Jared Taylor – an inarguably far more popular man, whether one chooses to consider him famous or infamous, with remarkable and original ideas sure to be novel for many readers – is not worthy to have his opinions published.

    It’s as though a museum were uninterested in an offer of the owner to exhibit works by Pollack – live him or hate him, a noteworthy artist who did something different – but that same museum announced a week later the opening of an exhibition of it’s janitor’s pottery (consisting of clay ashtrays he sculpted in his high school art class, no less)….

  125. @res
    @Anonymous


    A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author’s preference?
     
    That is a rather extreme definition. Let's see some other sources.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20nationalist

    one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation
     
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist

    White nationalist groups espouse white supremacist or white separatist ideologies, often focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites. Groups listed in a variety of other categories - Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity - could also be fairly described as white nationalist.
     
    Your definition seems most useful as a way of playing motte and bailey games with labeling people. Is that your intent?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Autochthon

    “A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author’s preference? –> “That is a rather extreme definition.”

    According to Who/Whom?

    How about this definition? White nationalist groups, which run the gamut of organizations from the KKK to Christian Identity, express white supremacist ideologies, which may also incorporate notions of separatism.

  126. @AndrewR
    @Roger

    Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Roger

    “Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though.”

    But he has a Jewish last name, which lends support to the idea that he has Jewish blood in him. I thought we aren’t suppose to trust “their kind”.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    Weidmann is not a "Jewish" name. Usually (not always) -mann with 2 nns names are German and not Jewish. A favorite sport around here is to label anyone and everyone (esp. people you don't like) as "Jewish" ( just yesterday someone accused the wikipedia guy Wales of being Jewish) based on nothing - alleged physiognomy, a name with -man at the end, etc. but I didn't know you were into that game too.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  127. @PiltdownMan
    @Anon


    Can any intern or janitor working at the Times just volunteer to write something and get it published? Why do we care what a graphics editor is currently ruminating on?
     
    The real question may be, what is this kid doing working as a graphics guy at a newspaper? From his online bio

    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     

    Replies: @Anonymous, @ic1000, @Ibound1, @SimpleSong, @Coburn

    How do you get a BA in Physics? Isn’t a Physics degree a BS?

    • Replies: @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    @Coburn

    You can get a BA in physics, but it's less rigorous. You need fewer math and physics credits. It's more appropriate if you want to get a job as a high school science teacher, or, perhaps as a graphics editor at the New York Times.

    It's weird, though, to get a B.A. and not a B.S. Why not take those few extra classes? Maybe he just got burnt out in his studies, or realized that a career in the sciences was not for him.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jeff the Donleavy Fan, @PiltdownMan

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Coburn

    It depends on the university or college in question. Some hand out only Bachelor of Arts degrees in both the Arts and Sciences, which is the case with Berkeley.

    From wikipedia.


    The College of Letters and Science (L&S) is the largest of the 14 colleges at the University of California, Berkeley and encompasses the liberal arts. The college was established in its present state in 1915 with the merger of the College of Letters, the College of Social Science, and the College of Natural Science....The College of Letters and Science awards only Bachelor of Arts degrees at the undergraduate level, in contrast to the other schools and colleges of UC Berkeley which award only Bachelor of Science degrees at the undergraduate level.
    ...
    L&S is organized into five divisions: Arts and Humanities, Biological Science, Mathematical and Physical Sciences, Social Sciences, and the Undergraduate Division

     

    In his case, he was a double major in a science and also an "arts" subject, so perhaps he had to pick one?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  128. @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan


    Sahil Chinoy

    University of California, Berkeley
    Aug. 2013 – Dec. 2017
    B.A., Physics and Economics
    Highest Distinction in General Scholarship. 4.0 GPA
    Highest Honors in Economics. Schimbor Prize for best undergraduate thesis
     
    This guy took a coveted seat at Cal Berkeley from a deserving American kid.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Neuday

    This guy has a physics degree from Berkeley and he’s a stinking graphics editor for a newspaper? No wonder he’s mad at the world, just another underpaid brown NPC in NYC.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Neuday

    How do you know that's all he does? Plus, working for the NYC is lucrative to an extent, you're not getting minimum wage or anything. Hell, I'm thinking it's well above the median income for the US. It's a credible newspaper that is followed by a lot. He's getting paid a very hefty sum. He could be doing other things too but no matter. Working for NYT is enough

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    , @Autochthon
    @Neuday

    You'd be amazed what an undergraduate degree in physics (from any university) by itself, along with $2.00, can get you ... from Del Taco's Value Menu.

    Do you have a degree? Are you a baby boomer? I son't mean to pry or be sarcastic, but I find people who haven't attended university and old people have really inflated notions about the value of formal education; many have no idea that plenty of people with graduate degrees, even in challenging disciplines, now regularly work as retail clerks and such because of the overpopulation the asshole boomers ("muh property values and cheap labour") have wrought.

    Replies: @Anonymousse

  129. @res
    @Anonymous


    A White nationalist is someone who prefers a particular nation-state to be majority White. Is that the author’s preference?
     
    That is a rather extreme definition. Let's see some other sources.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20nationalist

    one of a group of militant whites who espouse white supremacy and advocate enforced racial segregation
     
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist

    White nationalist groups espouse white supremacist or white separatist ideologies, often focusing on the alleged inferiority of nonwhites. Groups listed in a variety of other categories - Ku Klux Klan, neo-Confederate, neo-Nazi, racist skinhead, and Christian Identity - could also be fairly described as white nationalist.
     
    Your definition seems most useful as a way of playing motte and bailey games with labeling people. Is that your intent?

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Autochthon

    Actually, his definition is spot on, in both denotation and etymology. Those you cite are, at best, connotative ploys at charging. perfectly neutral term with controversy to impugn those it describes.

    The phenomena is akin to one’s defining obesity not by its simple, medical and commonsense meanings, but as something like “the state of lard-assed pigs who eat too many Ding-Dongs and Cheet-ohs.”

    I’m dissapointed in Merriam-Webster and reminded why I long ago stopped citing them.

    • Replies: @res
    @Autochthon


    Actually, his definition is spot on, in both denotation and etymology. Those you cite are, at best, connotative ploys at charging. perfectly neutral term with controversy to impugn those it describes.
     
    Perhaps so. Could you elaborate on the etymology you mention? Do you think "majority white" is the standard, or is there some higher or lower threshold than exactly 50%? Or is it more about the dominant culture?

    Like it or not, I think the Merriam-Webster definition has broader use in American culture at this point (and I agree that is a problem). I don't particularly care about the exact definition (though having one would be nice). I just get very tired of the endless motte and bailey games with relatively broad/innocuous labels being used to imply much worse. Or alternatively, relatively innocuous behaviors (e.g I like autobahns) being claimed to indicate overall extremism (Nazi!).

    Replies: @Autochthon

  130. Facial recognition is forever. People who bum rush a store and carry off 8 jackets that don’t fit can eventually be forgiven off once enough time has gone by, especially if they are young. “I was in with the wrong crowd” or “I did know my Daddy” combined with the understanding that no one is perfect gives these people some potential leeway especially if they are trying to do something positive with their lives.

    But these SJW types who are protesting / disrupting / vandalizing / and hating on white men are really showing something quite different. This is exactly the worst sort of employee you could hire. Lazy, has an attitude problem, authority problem, and feels they are a victim and are prone to rebel and sue. These attitudes are intrinsic and time will not fix most of them. Just the same way a poc who gets passed over for promotion wants to know if their employer is a Nazi, an employer wants to know if his employee is just waiting for the right moment to file that fake workers comp or discrimination claim.

    fair is fair

  131. @El Dato
    @syonredux

    Himmler would approve of the new "SS-Künstliche Intelligenz" section.

    Now follows the SS-KI Gruppenbericht.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Wouldn’t it be der Sonderkommandobericht ?

  132. @eah
    @Lot

    The Chinese did a large study based on national ID photos of criminals v non criminals, it has lots of good examples.

    If engineers can develop a software (and hardware) system to drive a car, they can also develop one to fairly reliably identify typical facial features found in criminals.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    If engineers can develop a software (and hardware) system to drive a car, they can also develop one to fairly reliably identify typical facial features found in criminals.

    Yeah, I’ll think of this the next time I read about a Tesla on autopilot driving into a truck.

    • Replies: @eah
    @The Alarmist

    And your point would be...what exactly? -- that Tesla Autopilot, like no doubt every other similar system, is not perfect? -- well, duh -- nor will future 'full self driving' (FSD) be perfect -- but I'm sure when you compare hours of use vs failures, the record so far is probably pretty good -- and I did say "fairly reliably", right?

    My point was more that recognizing facial features is a LOT easier than creating a vehicle autopilot system -- I'm not sure what your point was.

    Here's an analogy you may find more suitable: if engineers and other technical professionals can design reliable medical imaging systems -- x-ray, ultrasound, CAT, MRI, etc -- then they can also design "fairly reliable" facial recognition systems and applications.

    Do you like that better?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @The Alarmist


    Yeah, I’ll think of this the next time I read about a Tesla on autopilot driving into a truck.
     
    I write software for a living, and there is NO WAY I am EVER getting into a car that runs on autopilot.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  133. @Lot
    Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.

    The Chinese did a large study based on national ID photos of criminals v non criminals, it has lots of good examples.

    Replies: @eah, @Anonymous, @Jack D

    Maybe this works for “thug” type criminals who hold up convenience stores but those kind of folks tend to give themselves away anyway – they tend to advertise their thuggishness with dress, gait, etc. And as someone mentioned with their FLK comment, most people have an instinctive ability to detect the kind of features that you mention – you have to be taught to be a goodwhite lady and ignore the alarm bells that are going off in your head.

    However, there are a lot of con artist type criminals who have normal, even pleasant, features and who are often able to take in victims who mistake them for honest people. What would be REALLY valuable is an AI that could distinguish con artists from honest people.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jack D

    The Chinese study seemed to show AI was able to detect some pretty subtle and small-significance facial features associated with criminality, but putting them all together resulted in high significance.

    , @c matt
    @Jack D

    What, and destroy our political ruling class?

  134. @syonredux

    Artificial intelligence and modern computing are giving new life and a veneer of objectivity to these debunked theories, which were once used to legitimize slavery and perpetuate Nazi race “science.”
     
    Shouldn't that be Nazi "race science?"

    Replies: @Father O'Hara, @El Dato, @AndrewR, @Herzog

    Perhaps a clever way of saying that it was a science much cultivated by that Nazi race, the (okay, full disclosure: us) Germans?

  135. @Lot
    @Steve Sailer

    Von Neumann looks smart to me: huge forehead, large eyes, very symmetrical.

    The same for Lewis, but he also has a friendly and unpretentious mien that you could imagine a butcher having (they are friendly and outgoing in my experience. It is a sales job partly, but meat sells itself in a way cars and clothing don’t, so their friendliness doesn’t feel forced.)

    Replies: @Jack D

    Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline. Frankly in some of his photos, Von Neumann looks kind of goofy:

    If I told you that this man was the assistant manager of your local bank branch instead of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, you’d have no problem believing it.

    God likes to play little jokes on us and house magnificent brains in goofy looking heads or vice versa. You can’t judge a book by its cover.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jack D

    Who knows what your bank teller is REALLY capable of.

    Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon delivers:


    Finally, one morning, the musicians are assembled in a classroom in front of the cleanest chalkboard Waterhouse has ever seen. The last few days have imbued him with just enough paranoia that he suspects it is that clean for a reason—erasing chalkboards is not to be taken lightly during wartime.

    They are seated in little chairs with desks attached to them, desks designed for right handers. Lawrence puts his notepad in his lap, then rests his bandaged right hand on the desk and begins to play a ditty from Art of Fugue, grimacing and even grunting with pain as his burned skin stretches and slides over his knuckles.

    ...

    Some other fellow—one who actually bothered to shave, shower, and put on a uniform—introduces bathrobe man as Commander Shane spelled-s-c-h-o-e-n, but Schoen is having none of it; he turns his back on them, exposing the back side of his bathrobe, which around the buttocks is worn transparent as a negligee. Reading from a notebook, he writes out the following in block letters:

    19 17 17 19 14 20 23 18 19 8 12 16 19 8 3
    21 8 25 18 14 18 6 31 8 8 15 18 22 18 11

    
Around the time that the fourth or fifth number is going up on the chalkboard, Waterhouse feels the hairs standing up on the back of his neck.

    
 ...

    "The science of making secret codes is called cryptography," Commander Schoen says, "and the science of breaking them is cryptanalysis." Then he sighs, grapples visibly with some more widely divergent emotional states, and resignedly plods into the mandatory exercise of breaking these words down into their roots, which are either Latin or Greek (Lawrence isn’t paying attention, doesn’t care, only glimpses the stark word CRYPTO written in handsized capitals).

    Schoen has talked himself up into a disturbingly heavy sweat, now, and is almost bodily flinging himself into a historical overview of the science of CRYPTOLOGY, as the union of cryptography and cryptanalysis is called. There’s some talk about an English fellow name of Wilkins, and book called Cryptonomicon that he wrote hundreds of years ago, but (perhaps because he doesn’t rate the intelligence of his audience too highly) he goes very easy on the historical background, and jumps directly from Wilkins to Paul Revere’s "one if by land, two if by sea" code. He even makes a mathematics in-joke about this being one of the earliest practical applications of binary notation. Lawrence dutifully brays and snorts, drawing an appalled look from the saxophonist seated in front of him.

    Earlier in his talk, the Schoen mentioned that this message was (in what’s obviously a fictional scenario ginned up to make this mathematical exercise more interesting to a bunch of musicians who are assumed not to give a shit about math) addressed to a Nip naval officer. Given that context, Lawrence cannot but guess that the first word of the message is ATTACK. This would mean that 17 represented T, 14 C, and 20 K.

    When he fills these in, he gets

    A T T A C K 23 E A 8 12 16 A 8 3
    21 8 25 E C E 6 3 E 8 15 E 22 E 11

    
and then the rest is so obvious he doesn’t bother to write it out. He cannot restrain himself from jumping to his feet. He’s so excited he forgets about the weak legs and topples over across a couple of his neighbors’ desks, which makes a lot of noise.

    "Do you have a problem, sailor?" says one of the officers in the corner, one who actually bothered to wear a uniform.

    "Sir! The message is, ‘Attack Pearl Harbor December Seven!’ Sir!" Lawrence shouts, and then sits down. His whole body is quivering with excitement. Adrenaline has taken over his body and mind. He could strangle twenty sumo wrestlers on the spot.

    Commander Schoen is completely impassive except that he blinks once, very slowly. He turns to one of his subordinates, who is standing against the wall with his hands clasped behind his back, and says, "Get this one a copy of the Cryptonomicon. And a desk—as close to the coffee machine as possible. And why don’t you promote the son of a bitch as long as you’re at it."
     
    , @Lot
    @Jack D

    “Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline.”

    Picture him completely bald and you see that’s a giant head.

    I think low IQ is easier to see in a face than the difference between 110 and 150.

    Marc Andreessen in a t-shirt looks like he might be bagging groceries at Trader Joe’s, hoping to move up to the register eventually.

    http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4664719/2757536235_58068240e2_o.jpg

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Revilo Oliver was probably in the same general IQ range as von Neumann and he was a bit weird looking too.

    https://archive.org/services/img/ReviloP.OliverSelfPreservation1966/full/pct:200/0/default.jpg

    https://theamericanmercury.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/RPO-typewriter2.jpg

  136. @Corvinus
    @AndrewR

    "Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though."

    But he has a Jewish last name, which lends support to the idea that he has Jewish blood in him. I thought we aren't suppose to trust "their kind".

    Replies: @Jack D

    Weidmann is not a “Jewish” name. Usually (not always) -mann with 2 nns names are German and not Jewish. A favorite sport around here is to label anyone and everyone (esp. people you don’t like) as “Jewish” ( just yesterday someone accused the wikipedia guy Wales of being Jewish) based on nothing – alleged physiognomy, a name with -man at the end, etc. but I didn’t know you were into that game too.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    "Weidmann is not a “Jewish” name."

    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/WEIDMANN

    "A favorite sport around here is to label anyone and everyone (esp. people you don’t like) as “Jewish” "

    Absolutely agree. Perhaps we can be the Wonder Twins and stop this nefarious activity.

    "but I didn’t know you were into that game too."

    I'm in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  137. @eah
    @El Dato

    Guess the State will have to pay as the cars were “improved” on State property?

    Not sure -- they may or may not be personally insured -- or the government, or private company, that operates the Asylheim (note the soccer field in the background) may have insurance -- other German twitter users made jokes about Carglass, a German automotive glass company that does a lot of media (radio) advertising -- ie he must be working for Carglass usw.

    Also the original tweet (hier geht es um ein Retweet) asked why none of the employees, whose voices you can hear on the video, trusted themselves or the "Schutzsuchende" (whom they must have known) enough to go outside and confront him (at least one male voice can be heard):

    Die Mitarbeiter schauten dabei zu, weil sich vermutlich keiner zu ihrem "Schutzsuchenden" nach draußen traute.

    You can see another male, also an employee I assume, watching from the soccer field: he does nothing as well -- but that's not surprising; it is "typisch Deutsch" I would say -- let him smash as many windows as he wants, we'll wait until the police arrive.

    There have been worse scenes -- at the link below you can watch an African wandering around in his underwear bash a 73 y/o woman in the head (Nürnberg); after she's on the ground, he kicks her in the face -- she was seriously injured -- it's also obvious people see what's going on, but no one intervenes.

    link

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Old Palo Altan

    The phenomenon is mere Homo economicus: incentives increase a beahviour, and punishments decrease it.

    Commit a crime (if you are a Negro or alien), and you may (often enough) depend upon lenient, if any, punishment.

    Intervene to prevent or stop a crime (especially by a Negro or alien criminal) and you may (almost certainly, even if you yourself are a peace officer) depend upon accusations of bigotry and brutality – perhaps even defenestration or criminal prosecution yourself.

    Thus, increasingly, if one doesn’t know the victim, one ignores even heinous acts such as the battery of the old woman. It’s worth the risks to protect one’s family and friends, most still reckon (who would not accept unjust incarceration or even death to protect his child?), but if the victim be a stranger (and, quite possibly, one of the very scoundrels and fools whose work facilitates the atrocities in the first place), it’s best to mind one’s own business.

    Too often, the victims are at the forefront of their own demise. Remember the young woman in Iowa? Who can say but if this old woman was in the streets the previous day shouting “Refugees [sic] are welcome here?”

  138. @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "Heartiste was mostly interested in facial distinction between alpha men and cucks..."

    Here is what Heartiste looks like. His real name is James Weidmann. The name is Jewish, so we can surmise he is of that race/ethnicity/religion.

    https://kennyspuathoughts.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/roissychateau-heartisteexposed-as-a-manipulative-blogger/

    NOTICE his stretched tight smile (upper lip tight across teeth). This “overly sincere” smile is a mask that hides the owner’s true agenda with an attempt to communicate an unfelt sincerity or caring. It is a deception flashed to make an impression. In other words, a gamma male.

    http://rebloggy.com/post/lips-teeth-science-faces-spirituality-psychology-biology-philosophy-greek-face-r/38606449840

    Again, science proves it!

    Replies: @Herzog, @J.Ross

    Weidmann is a quite common name in Germany, and doesn’t ring particularly Jewish to me. German-based Jewish names tend to refer to precious or / and beautiful objects (Rosenblatt = rose petal, Goldstein = gold stone, etc.), whereas Weidmann translates as “willow man.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Herzog

    Correct. The Weidmann is the "hunter" or possibly a woad farmer.

    "Weidmann's Heil!" == "Good hunting!"

    Replies: @Herzog

    , @Corvinus
    @Herzog

    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/WEIDMANN

    This man looks bears resemblance to Heartiste. Wouldn't be surprised that they are related.

    https://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/weidmann-eugen.htm

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Herzog


    Weidmann is a quite common name in Germany...
     
    My elderly neighbor is named Weidmann and she is as German as she can be. Not a yarmulke in sight.
  139. stereotype confirmation – another brown guy who thinks he’s way smarter than he actually is.

    it’s all so tiresome, event #6781 – some dumb brown guy is going to tell us that one of the smartest men to ever live was pretty much wrong about everything.

    krazy glue factor: about a 9 out of 10 here. getting obscure, irrelevant indians into the act. NYT is platforming every european hater around. come one, come all. it’s like the coney island hot dog eating contest, but it lasts all year.

  140. SS,

    You post observations about black people and their problems.

    Can you post 10 realistic solutions and recommendations that would benefit your fellow Americans?

    What are they?

    Or is that outside your remit?

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @unknown


    10 realistic solutions and recommendation
     
    "If a problem has no solution, it may not be a problem, but a fact - not to be solved, but to be coped with over time." - Shimon Peres
    , @bomag
    @unknown


    10 realistic solutions and recommendations
     
    Such has been noted here in various forms, revolving around avoiding the ghetto: become wealthy enough to buy avoidance; choose a career and lifestyle that avoids; move to a suburb/part of the country that allows you to avoid.
    , @J.Ross
    @unknown

    He posts those all the time and few would require significant changes; they are undoable because they require seriousness from the legal profession.
    One that is necessary and probably coming, but not endorsed by him, is to completely immolate anti-discriminatory legal utopianism; another, also repugnant to him, is to divide them into three categories:
    1 - "You can stay"/no change.
    2 - "You don't have to worry about systemic racism, being cut off from your ancestors, or competing with Guatemalans where we're sending you."
    3 - Only in cases of certain guilt and especially with genetic evidence (especially genetic markers for rape) -- "You won't feel any pain."

  141. @jim jones
    On American TV male pattern baldness is a sure sign pf criminality

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @Autochthon

    On Law and Order being in possession of a trust fund guarantees criminality.

  142. @Anonymous
    @Lot


    Criminal face has three big factors: high-T features, poor symmetry and other signs of genetic load (like narrow eyes), and fetal alcohol complex.
     
    What are "narrow eyes"?

    Replies: @guest, @Jack D

    Meaning eyes too close together (narrow pupil to pupil distance). This is indicative of a small skull which is correlated with lower intelligence. Correlated, not dispositive.

    The problem with all these “tells” is that they have statistical value but they are not sure fire – if you rely on them, there are going to be lots of false positives and false negatives. This reduces their usefulness considerably. But they still have their uses. For example, you wouldn’t want the AI to trigger the automatic machine guns on such a person but you might have the store cameras follow him around.

    The problem is always going to be “racism”. If you are picking out potential shoplifters for the cameras to follow, the #1 factor is going to be race. If the camera follows all the black customers around the store owner is going to be accused of racism as soon as it leaks out but if the camera ignores race then the AI is going to be a lot less good, maybe worthless.

    • Agree: Lot
    • Replies: @Lot
    @Jack D

    Black-baby-killing white man George Zimmerman is an extreme example of narrow eyes.

    http://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/15/01/george-zimmerman-0110.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Jews tend to have narrow faces and close set eyes, but high intelligence. So relying exclusively on eye distance could give you misleading information if you didn't control for background.

    Replies: @res

  143. @J.Ross
    @jim jones

    I've never picked up on this but it's totally true. The one bald good guy that comes rapidly to mind is -- the evil corrupt white cop from the Shield.

    Replies: @El Dato

    There was also the Bad Boss Cop from Blade Runner. In the later-added voiceover “A guy who would call a black man a nigger”.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @El Dato

    Apparently the docudrama the Mighty Wurlitzer issued to show how Brexit is stupid and Brexiteers are racist made Benedit Cumberpatch especially bald, balder than he is normally and balder than the guy he ostensibly plays. So Brexit isn't just racism, it's also midlife crisis.

    , @Joe Joe
    @El Dato

    that was the immortal M. Emmett Walsh as Captain Bryan!

  144. @The Anti-Gnostic
    @El Dato

    Look up actor Robert Patrick. Genuinely good guy.

    Replies: @El Dato

    I know.

    But here he is playing a machine that plays a cop but evidently lets completely human messages through that makes him look shifty. Realistically, pseudo-cop would have zero dubious signalling.

    So he play a machine playing a shifty human playing a cop.

    Ohhhh. OT!

    Undocumented ‘Black Vest’ migrant protesters occupy Pantheon in Paris, demand papers (VIDEOS)

    This is not the german way of demanding papers for sure.

  145. @J.Ross
    @ic1000

    An Asian, who tests well but doesn't comprehend what he's memorizing? We've never seen that before, have we?

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude

    I mean the list of achievements clearly disprove that idea that “he doesn’t know what he’s doing”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    No, it doesn't. None of those are achievements, they're academic scoring at a time of runaway academic corruption. His inability is the thing that's not in doubt here.

  146. @Felix M
    Physionomy just doesn’t work as an indicator of mental traits, except perhaps for severe mental impairment.

    For example, some saints, philosophers, chess champions, etc totally look the part, while others look just like ordinary folks. For example, a contemporary described C S Lewis as looking just like a village butcher.

    BTW, my own intelligence test is simply whether someone says something intelligent. (Not whether they make several such comments. And stupid comments don’t disqualify. Puns etc don’t count, either way.)

    Another informal test is whether people are interested in things beyond their day to day world. Yes, there can be barriers of self-importance or prejudice. But I find that, when faced with interesting questions, intelligent people take the bait and start discussing.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @stillCARealist, @Autochthon

    What’s the point of the remark about Professor Lewis? He does look like “the village butcher” as much as any man may be said to: an ordinary, approachable, bright fellow happy to slice one’s mutton the way one prefers. I expect this is all that was meant by the original observer: that Lewis’ appearance and comportment were humble and unremarkable (as indeed they were) and did not necessarily belie he was a man of staggering genius (as indeed he was).

    I’m not familiar with the observation or its context, but I doubt it meant to suggest anything negative – let alone criminal – about either Professor Lewis or butchers.

    Butchering is a perfectly respectable trade, despite the term butcher being (understandably) applied to criminals who maimed victims horribly. Perhaps you are thinking too much of Bill the Butcher and not enough of (admittedly fictional, but representative of a million actual butchers) Sam the Butcher.

    (Bill wasn’t even especially scary-looking; but most of course now associate him with his cartoonish portrayal in Hollywoo. In any event, I’d argue Clive calls to mind Sam more than either idea of Bill.)

    Sam

    Clive

    Bill

    Cartoonishly Menacing Bill (Portrayed By Daniel)

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Autochthon

    Bill the Butcher was right (and I say this as someone with some Irish ancestry).

  147. @unknown
    SS,

    You post observations about black people and their problems.

    Can you post 10 realistic solutions and recommendations that would benefit your fellow Americans?

    What are they?

    Or is that outside your remit?

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @bomag, @J.Ross

    10 realistic solutions and recommendation

    “If a problem has no solution, it may not be a problem, but a fact – not to be solved, but to be coped with over time.” – Shimon Peres

  148. @Jack D
    @Lot

    Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline. Frankly in some of his photos, Von Neumann looks kind of goofy:

    https://www.ias.edu/sites/default/files/styles/basic_scholar/public/images/scholars/6647.jpeg

    If I told you that this man was the assistant manager of your local bank branch instead of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, you'd have no problem believing it.

    God likes to play little jokes on us and house magnificent brains in goofy looking heads or vice versa. You can't judge a book by its cover.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Anonymous

    Who knows what your bank teller is REALLY capable of.

    Neal Stephenson’s Cryptonomicon delivers:

    Finally, one morning, the musicians are assembled in a classroom in front of the cleanest chalkboard Waterhouse has ever seen. The last few days have imbued him with just enough paranoia that he suspects it is that clean for a reason—erasing chalkboards is not to be taken lightly during wartime.

    They are seated in little chairs with desks attached to them, desks designed for right handers. Lawrence puts his notepad in his lap, then rests his bandaged right hand on the desk and begins to play a ditty from Art of Fugue, grimacing and even grunting with pain as his burned skin stretches and slides over his knuckles.

    Some other fellow—one who actually bothered to shave, shower, and put on a uniform—introduces bathrobe man as Commander Shane spelled-s-c-h-o-e-n, but Schoen is having none of it; he turns his back on them, exposing the back side of his bathrobe, which around the buttocks is worn transparent as a negligee. Reading from a notebook, he writes out the following in block letters:

    19 17 17 19 14 20 23 18 19 8 12 16 19 8 3
    21 8 25 18 14 18 6 31 8 8 15 18 22 18 11

    
Around the time that the fourth or fifth number is going up on the chalkboard, Waterhouse feels the hairs standing up on the back of his neck.

    
 …

    “The science of making secret codes is called cryptography,” Commander Schoen says, “and the science of breaking them is cryptanalysis.” Then he sighs, grapples visibly with some more widely divergent emotional states, and resignedly plods into the mandatory exercise of breaking these words down into their roots, which are either Latin or Greek (Lawrence isn’t paying attention, doesn’t care, only glimpses the stark word CRYPTO written in handsized capitals).

    Schoen has talked himself up into a disturbingly heavy sweat, now, and is almost bodily flinging himself into a historical overview of the science of CRYPTOLOGY, as the union of cryptography and cryptanalysis is called. There’s some talk about an English fellow name of Wilkins, and book called Cryptonomicon that he wrote hundreds of years ago, but (perhaps because he doesn’t rate the intelligence of his audience too highly) he goes very easy on the historical background, and jumps directly from Wilkins to Paul Revere’s “one if by land, two if by sea” code. He even makes a mathematics in-joke about this being one of the earliest practical applications of binary notation. Lawrence dutifully brays and snorts, drawing an appalled look from the saxophonist seated in front of him.

    Earlier in his talk, the Schoen mentioned that this message was (in what’s obviously a fictional scenario ginned up to make this mathematical exercise more interesting to a bunch of musicians who are assumed not to give a shit about math) addressed to a Nip naval officer. Given that context, Lawrence cannot but guess that the first word of the message is ATTACK. This would mean that 17 represented T, 14 C, and 20 K.

    When he fills these in, he gets

    A T T A C K 23 E A 8 12 16 A 8 3
    21 8 25 E C E 6 3 E 8 15 E 22 E 11

    
and then the rest is so obvious he doesn’t bother to write it out. He cannot restrain himself from jumping to his feet. He’s so excited he forgets about the weak legs and topples over across a couple of his neighbors’ desks, which makes a lot of noise.

    “Do you have a problem, sailor?” says one of the officers in the corner, one who actually bothered to wear a uniform.

    “Sir! The message is, ‘Attack Pearl Harbor December Seven!’ Sir!” Lawrence shouts, and then sits down. His whole body is quivering with excitement. Adrenaline has taken over his body and mind. He could strangle twenty sumo wrestlers on the spot.

    Commander Schoen is completely impassive except that he blinks once, very slowly. He turns to one of his subordinates, who is standing against the wall with his hands clasped behind his back, and says, “Get this one a copy of the Cryptonomicon. And a desk—as close to the coffee machine as possible. And why don’t you promote the son of a bitch as long as you’re at it.”

  149. @Herzog
    @Corvinus

    Weidmann is a quite common name in Germany, and doesn't ring particularly Jewish to me. German-based Jewish names tend to refer to precious or / and beautiful objects (Rosenblatt = rose petal, Goldstein = gold stone, etc.), whereas Weidmann translates as "willow man."

    Replies: @El Dato, @Corvinus, @Jim Don Bob

    Correct. The Weidmann is the “hunter” or possibly a woad farmer.

    “Weidmann’s Heil!” == “Good hunting!”

    • Replies: @Herzog
    @El Dato

    El Dato,

    interesting take, that "hunter" option. I had only thought about Weidmann as derived from "Weide" = "willow," overlooking even that "Weide" can also mean "pasture, meadow."

    There is a minor spelling difference though: It is "Waidmann" that would amount (in older language) to "hunter." However, it could still be the source of Heartiste's name, as the pronunciation is identical with Weidmann, and the spelling difference might play no role if, as is likely, the family adopted or was assigned the name before spelling became standardized.

  150. @jim jones
    On American TV male pattern baldness is a sure sign pf criminality

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Bill Jones, @Autochthon

    Recently, perhaps. Historically, no – many of television’s most famous heroes were balding or bald:

  151. @eah
    Meanwhile in Merkelland: a Nigerian "Schutzsuchende" bashed the windows of cars at the Asylheim where he lives -- the cars were said to belong to German employees -- €50k damage -- here the German twitterer macht sich lustig by calling him an AfD election campaign helper on the job: "Ein AfD-Wahlkampfhelfer bei der Arbeit":

    https://twitter.com/Netzdenunziant/status/1149028618892382209

    Replies: @El Dato, @1661er

    Good thing it’s during day light. Other wise it would be a “Night of Broken Glasses.” I heard German has a word for it. Are we sure those cars are not owned/operated by German Jews?

  152. @Corvinus
    @International Jew

    Well, if I channel my Luke Ford and employ the ol' physiognomy chart, the broadness of the Native American's face is harmless since he is narrow headed, and the pale face is dangerous because of his protruded chin.

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2015/01/30/helpful-guide-to-human-character

    Yep, the science proves it.

    Replies: @bomag

    We can guess pretty well what you look like.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @bomag

    "We can guess pretty well what you look like."

    I'm an Adonis compared to you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ldAQ6Rh5ZI

  153. @unknown
    SS,

    You post observations about black people and their problems.

    Can you post 10 realistic solutions and recommendations that would benefit your fellow Americans?

    What are they?

    Or is that outside your remit?

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @bomag, @J.Ross

    10 realistic solutions and recommendations

    Such has been noted here in various forms, revolving around avoiding the ghetto: become wealthy enough to buy avoidance; choose a career and lifestyle that avoids; move to a suburb/part of the country that allows you to avoid.

  154. @Anonymous
    This guy explains what's going on and why we don't understand it.

    https://youtu.be/lQHiPViNnW4

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Peter Johnson, @Counterinsurgency, @Jim Don Bob

    The guy has got a real future in the MSM. MSNBC should pick him up stat.

  155. Lot says:
    @Jack D
    @Lot

    Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline. Frankly in some of his photos, Von Neumann looks kind of goofy:

    https://www.ias.edu/sites/default/files/styles/basic_scholar/public/images/scholars/6647.jpeg

    If I told you that this man was the assistant manager of your local bank branch instead of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, you'd have no problem believing it.

    God likes to play little jokes on us and house magnificent brains in goofy looking heads or vice versa. You can't judge a book by its cover.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Anonymous

    “Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline.”

    Picture him completely bald and you see that’s a giant head.

    I think low IQ is easier to see in a face than the difference between 110 and 150.

    Marc Andreessen in a t-shirt looks like he might be bagging groceries at Trader Joe’s, hoping to move up to the register eventually.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @Lot

    110 to 150?

    Neumann was 200 at least.

    Replies: @Lot

  156. @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Meaning eyes too close together (narrow pupil to pupil distance). This is indicative of a small skull which is correlated with lower intelligence. Correlated, not dispositive.

    The problem with all these "tells" is that they have statistical value but they are not sure fire - if you rely on them, there are going to be lots of false positives and false negatives. This reduces their usefulness considerably. But they still have their uses. For example, you wouldn't want the AI to trigger the automatic machine guns on such a person but you might have the store cameras follow him around.

    The problem is always going to be "racism". If you are picking out potential shoplifters for the cameras to follow, the #1 factor is going to be race. If the camera follows all the black customers around the store owner is going to be accused of racism as soon as it leaks out but if the camera ignores race then the AI is going to be a lot less good, maybe worthless.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous

    Black-baby-killing white man George Zimmerman is an extreme example of narrow eyes.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Lot

    He looks like Temujin.

    Replies: @Stumpy Pepys

  157. @Jack D
    @Lot

    Maybe this works for "thug" type criminals who hold up convenience stores but those kind of folks tend to give themselves away anyway - they tend to advertise their thuggishness with dress, gait, etc. And as someone mentioned with their FLK comment, most people have an instinctive ability to detect the kind of features that you mention - you have to be taught to be a goodwhite lady and ignore the alarm bells that are going off in your head.

    However, there are a lot of con artist type criminals who have normal, even pleasant, features and who are often able to take in victims who mistake them for honest people. What would be REALLY valuable is an AI that could distinguish con artists from honest people.

    Replies: @Lot, @c matt

    The Chinese study seemed to show AI was able to detect some pretty subtle and small-significance facial features associated with criminality, but putting them all together resulted in high significance.

  158. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Anonymous

    Meaning eyes too close together (narrow pupil to pupil distance). This is indicative of a small skull which is correlated with lower intelligence. Correlated, not dispositive.

    The problem with all these "tells" is that they have statistical value but they are not sure fire - if you rely on them, there are going to be lots of false positives and false negatives. This reduces their usefulness considerably. But they still have their uses. For example, you wouldn't want the AI to trigger the automatic machine guns on such a person but you might have the store cameras follow him around.

    The problem is always going to be "racism". If you are picking out potential shoplifters for the cameras to follow, the #1 factor is going to be race. If the camera follows all the black customers around the store owner is going to be accused of racism as soon as it leaks out but if the camera ignores race then the AI is going to be a lot less good, maybe worthless.

    Replies: @Lot, @Anonymous

    Jews tend to have narrow faces and close set eyes, but high intelligence. So relying exclusively on eye distance could give you misleading information if you didn’t control for background.

    • Replies: @res
    @Anonymous

    This is one of the biggest issues with physiognomy. Mistakenly using conclusions developed from observing one group to judge a member of another group.

  159. @El Dato
    @J.Ross

    There was also the Bad Boss Cop from Blade Runner. In the later-added voiceover "A guy who would call a black man a nigger".

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Joe

    Apparently the docudrama the Mighty Wurlitzer issued to show how Brexit is stupid and Brexiteers are racist made Benedit Cumberpatch especially bald, balder than he is normally and balder than the guy he ostensibly plays. So Brexit isn’t just racism, it’s also midlife crisis.

  160. @Lot
    @Jack D

    Black-baby-killing white man George Zimmerman is an extreme example of narrow eyes.

    http://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/15/01/george-zimmerman-0110.jpg

    Replies: @J.Ross

    He looks like Temujin.

    • Replies: @Stumpy Pepys
    @J.Ross

    Temujin had grey green eyes, reddish hair and a full beard. So no, does not look like Temujin.

  161. @unknown
    SS,

    You post observations about black people and their problems.

    Can you post 10 realistic solutions and recommendations that would benefit your fellow Americans?

    What are they?

    Or is that outside your remit?

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @bomag, @J.Ross

    He posts those all the time and few would require significant changes; they are undoable because they require seriousness from the legal profession.
    One that is necessary and probably coming, but not endorsed by him, is to completely immolate anti-discriminatory legal utopianism; another, also repugnant to him, is to divide them into three categories:
    1 – “You can stay”/no change.
    2 – “You don’t have to worry about systemic racism, being cut off from your ancestors, or competing with Guatemalans where we’re sending you.”
    3 – Only in cases of certain guilt and especially with genetic evidence (especially genetic markers for rape) — “You won’t feel any pain.”

  162. @eah
    @El Dato

    Guess the State will have to pay as the cars were “improved” on State property?

    Not sure -- they may or may not be personally insured -- or the government, or private company, that operates the Asylheim (note the soccer field in the background) may have insurance -- other German twitter users made jokes about Carglass, a German automotive glass company that does a lot of media (radio) advertising -- ie he must be working for Carglass usw.

    Also the original tweet (hier geht es um ein Retweet) asked why none of the employees, whose voices you can hear on the video, trusted themselves or the "Schutzsuchende" (whom they must have known) enough to go outside and confront him (at least one male voice can be heard):

    Die Mitarbeiter schauten dabei zu, weil sich vermutlich keiner zu ihrem "Schutzsuchenden" nach draußen traute.

    You can see another male, also an employee I assume, watching from the soccer field: he does nothing as well -- but that's not surprising; it is "typisch Deutsch" I would say -- let him smash as many windows as he wants, we'll wait until the police arrive.

    There have been worse scenes -- at the link below you can watch an African wandering around in his underwear bash a 73 y/o woman in the head (Nürnberg); after she's on the ground, he kicks her in the face -- she was seriously injured -- it's also obvious people see what's going on, but no one intervenes.

    link

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Old Palo Altan

    Adolf Hitler said that, were they to lose the war, the German people would have proven themselves unworthy of survival.

    Looks like he was right.

  163. @Harry Baldwin
    @Colin Wright

    Men most be something like ten times more likely to commit a violent crime than a woman is.

    I wonder if that's true for blacks. I did a cursory Duck Duck Go search, but couldn't get an answer. I know that black women commit murder at a higher rate than white men.

    Replies: @Elli

    No, white men commit more murders per capita than black women do.

    https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezashr/asp/off_selection.asp

  164. @Jack D
    @Lot

    Maybe this works for "thug" type criminals who hold up convenience stores but those kind of folks tend to give themselves away anyway - they tend to advertise their thuggishness with dress, gait, etc. And as someone mentioned with their FLK comment, most people have an instinctive ability to detect the kind of features that you mention - you have to be taught to be a goodwhite lady and ignore the alarm bells that are going off in your head.

    However, there are a lot of con artist type criminals who have normal, even pleasant, features and who are often able to take in victims who mistake them for honest people. What would be REALLY valuable is an AI that could distinguish con artists from honest people.

    Replies: @Lot, @c matt

    What, and destroy our political ruling class?

  165. Folks, I have four words of advice for you: “Never buy a chimp.”

    True dat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_(chimpanzee)

  166. @Mr McKenna
    @Anonymous

    Hope the Philadelphia Police Dept is having fun with their obvious racial profiling. Won't be long before they're not permitted to post vids like that. Or this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6d5wGaT2Qo

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @eah, @ben tillman

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ben tillman


    The three children, a 7-month-old, a 1-year-old and a 5-year-old, were not injured in the incident. They are currently staying with other family members.
     
    How do you get a 7 month old and a one year old?

    Replies: @Flip

  167. @Coburn
    @PiltdownMan

    How do you get a BA in Physics? Isn't a Physics degree a BS?

    Replies: @Jeff the Donleavy Fan, @PiltdownMan

    You can get a BA in physics, but it’s less rigorous. You need fewer math and physics credits. It’s more appropriate if you want to get a job as a high school science teacher, or, perhaps as a graphics editor at the New York Times.

    It’s weird, though, to get a B.A. and not a B.S. Why not take those few extra classes? Maybe he just got burnt out in his studies, or realized that a career in the sciences was not for him.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jeff the Donleavy Fan


    It’s weird, though, to get a B.A. and not a B.S. Why not take those few extra classes?
     
    Because a BS in Physics is hard. My daughter started out in Physics, and was politely told after freshman year that she should switch to math.

    In Physics you need the math and the Physics too. It worked out well for her and I am glad the department was honest with her about her abilities.
    , @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    @Jeff the Donleavy Fan

    My mistake. I guess Berkeley is unusual in that it gives out only a B.A. degree, not a B.S., in physics. I was thinking back to my own undergraduate days at UT Austin.

    , @PiltdownMan
    @Jeff the Donleavy Fan

    Not quite. See my other post.

    Some leading universities don't hand out B.S. degrees in the hard sciences at the undergraduate level. Their undergraduate colleges of arts and sciences (or equivalents) award only B.A. degrees. Berkeley and Cornell are two such universities.

  168. @Herzog
    @Corvinus

    Weidmann is a quite common name in Germany, and doesn't ring particularly Jewish to me. German-based Jewish names tend to refer to precious or / and beautiful objects (Rosenblatt = rose petal, Goldstein = gold stone, etc.), whereas Weidmann translates as "willow man."

    Replies: @El Dato, @Corvinus, @Jim Don Bob

    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/WEIDMANN

    This man looks bears resemblance to Heartiste. Wouldn’t be surprised that they are related.

    https://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/weidmann-eugen.htm

  169. eah says:
    @The Alarmist
    @eah


    If engineers can develop a software (and hardware) system to drive a car, they can also develop one to fairly reliably identify typical facial features found in criminals.
     
    Yeah, I'll think of this the next time I read about a Tesla on autopilot driving into a truck.

    Replies: @eah, @Jim Don Bob

    And your point would be…what exactly? — that Tesla Autopilot, like no doubt every other similar system, is not perfect? — well, duh — nor will future ‘full self driving’ (FSD) be perfect — but I’m sure when you compare hours of use vs failures, the record so far is probably pretty good — and I did say “fairly reliably”, right?

    My point was more that recognizing facial features is a LOT easier than creating a vehicle autopilot system — I’m not sure what your point was.

    Here’s an analogy you may find more suitable: if engineers and other technical professionals can design reliable medical imaging systems — x-ray, ultrasound, CAT, MRI, etc — then they can also design “fairly reliable” facial recognition systems and applications.

    Do you like that better?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @eah

    The point is that I'd hate to be the innocent average Joe who ends up on Death Row because my facial features were similar with a high degree of confidence to those of the actual offender.

    Remember the early feature of the iPhones that unlock using facial recognition in China, and how it had trouble recognising some Chinese faces?

    Replies: @eah

  170. @Jack D
    @Corvinus

    Weidmann is not a "Jewish" name. Usually (not always) -mann with 2 nns names are German and not Jewish. A favorite sport around here is to label anyone and everyone (esp. people you don't like) as "Jewish" ( just yesterday someone accused the wikipedia guy Wales of being Jewish) based on nothing - alleged physiognomy, a name with -man at the end, etc. but I didn't know you were into that game too.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Weidmann is not a “Jewish” name.”

    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/WEIDMANN

    “A favorite sport around here is to label anyone and everyone (esp. people you don’t like) as “Jewish” ”

    Absolutely agree. Perhaps we can be the Wonder Twins and stop this nefarious activity.

    “but I didn’t know you were into that game too.”

    I’m in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    I’m in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.
     
    "Everything"...said nobody, ever. If you're going to be tiresome, jabbering windbag/twit, at least be consistent.

    Replies: @Poco, @Corvinus

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.
     
    Corvinus, my good man, your commentary usually sticks to the realm of opinion, but here you’ve kicked it up a notch by dropping plain old silly lies.

    Your two links are bogus: The first one is a 404 Not Found error, the second is a commercial site that lists boilerplate search results for any name that according to the “Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex Code” sounds even vaguely like a Jewish name:

    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HITLER
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HIMMLER
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HESS

    If your cited picture is of Roissy, he sure doesn’t look Jewish, and if his real surname is Weidmann, that’s a German surname:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weidmann
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weidemann

    I agree with Jack D on this one—labeling someone you don’t like, against the evidence, as “Jewish” is a surprising departure for you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  171. A favourite Galton story:

    One day Charles Darwin came for lunch, and afterwards Galton offered to measure his cousin’s skull:

    “My heavens, Charles, a splendid head. I’ve known only one better in all my years of careful measurement.”

    “One better? And whose might that have been?”

    “My own, my dear cousin, my own”.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Old Palo Altan

    Galton is a pleasure to read.

  172. @Anonymous
    Speaking of physiognomy, they interviewed the Bagel Boss guy:

    https://twitter.com/woke8yearold/status/1149510672956325888

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Father O'Hara, @Anonymous, @MikeatMikedotMike

    He is invoking the same strategy that many women make use of: He is aware of the nothing-to-gain situation that his antics place other people in, and he uses it to his advantage.

    Women will sometimes get physically confrontational with men because they are gambling that the man is going to abide by traditional standards of interaction, meaning, the man will not retaliate physically. From the man’s pov, if he beats up a woman well, he just beat up a woman. If he gets beat up by a woman well, he just got beat up by a woman. Further, women are also counting on any bystanders to immediately assist her in case her mark does retaliate physically. This is Bagel Boy.

    He is also a ewe toober, so this trolling is at least in some part motivated by his desire for views.

    A sharp bitch slap would go very far in correcting this behavior, for both Bagel Boy and women who initiate physical contact with men fearing no consequences.

  173. @Lot
    @Jack D

    “Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline.”

    Picture him completely bald and you see that’s a giant head.

    I think low IQ is easier to see in a face than the difference between 110 and 150.

    Marc Andreessen in a t-shirt looks like he might be bagging groceries at Trader Joe’s, hoping to move up to the register eventually.

    http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/4664719/2757536235_58068240e2_o.jpg

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    110 to 150?

    Neumann was 200 at least.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Old Palo Altan

    “Neumann was 200 at least.”

    Only 14 points below Ron Unz!

  174. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Reg Cæsar


    This is how a pro smirks
     
    Is that wrinkly old man an updated Mr. Six?

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sixflags/images/6/65/Mr.six.jpg

    Replies: @bored identity

    Don’t be mean.

    All she ever wanted is to be an ordinary U-15 boy.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @bored identity


    All she ever wanted is to be an ordinary U-15 boy.
     
    She missed her true calling. :(

    https://sharkhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Rebs.jpg

    Replies: @Anon

  175. @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    "Weidmann is not a “Jewish” name."

    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/WEIDMANN

    "A favorite sport around here is to label anyone and everyone (esp. people you don’t like) as “Jewish” "

    Absolutely agree. Perhaps we can be the Wonder Twins and stop this nefarious activity.

    "but I didn’t know you were into that game too."

    I'm in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I’m in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.

    “Everything”…said nobody, ever. If you’re going to be tiresome, jabbering windbag/twit, at least be consistent.

    • Replies: @Poco
    @William Badwhite

    Well, he is consistently a tiresome, jabbering, windbag/twit.

    , @Corvinus
    @William Badwhite

    “Everything”…said nobody, ever."

    Right, just politics, economics, and social policy. That's not "everything". (rolling of eyes)

    "If you’re going to be tiresome, jabbering windbag/twit, at least be consistent."

    Dear, try to keep up with my dialectic commentary.

  176. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman
    @Mr McKenna

    Also, in Philadelphia -- lynching is back!

    https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-car-thief-beat-philadelphia-father-bystanders-stealing-kids-inside-20190712-fsdlr7wd4jgtnir7si6h2ca6oy-story.html

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The three children, a 7-month-old, a 1-year-old and a 5-year-old, were not injured in the incident. They are currently staying with other family members.

    How do you get a 7 month old and a one year old?

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Anonymous

    I suppose it means the child was not yet two, not that he was 12 months old.

  177. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @Lot

    Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between big forehead and receding hairline. Frankly in some of his photos, Von Neumann looks kind of goofy:

    https://www.ias.edu/sites/default/files/styles/basic_scholar/public/images/scholars/6647.jpeg

    If I told you that this man was the assistant manager of your local bank branch instead of one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, you'd have no problem believing it.

    God likes to play little jokes on us and house magnificent brains in goofy looking heads or vice versa. You can't judge a book by its cover.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lot, @Anonymous

    Revilo Oliver was probably in the same general IQ range as von Neumann and he was a bit weird looking too.

  178. @Autochthon
    @res

    Actually, his definition is spot on, in both denotation and etymology. Those you cite are, at best, connotative ploys at charging. perfectly neutral term with controversy to impugn those it describes.

    The phenomena is akin to one's defining obesity not by its simple, medical and commonsense meanings, but as something like "the state of lard-assed pigs who eat too many Ding-Dongs and Cheet-ohs."

    I'm dissapointed in Merriam-Webster and reminded why I long ago stopped citing them.

    Replies: @res

    Actually, his definition is spot on, in both denotation and etymology. Those you cite are, at best, connotative ploys at charging. perfectly neutral term with controversy to impugn those it describes.

    Perhaps so. Could you elaborate on the etymology you mention? Do you think “majority white” is the standard, or is there some higher or lower threshold than exactly 50%? Or is it more about the dominant culture?

    Like it or not, I think the Merriam-Webster definition has broader use in American culture at this point (and I agree that is a problem). I don’t particularly care about the exact definition (though having one would be nice). I just get very tired of the endless motte and bailey games with relatively broad/innocuous labels being used to imply much worse. Or alternatively, relatively innocuous behaviors (e.g I like autobahns) being claimed to indicate overall extremism (Nazi!).

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @res

    A fair question, and well met. Alas, I'm getting lazy, as it's late, but in the spirit of Homer Simpson on collecting garbage ("Can't someone else do it?!"):


    nation (n.)
    c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people; large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from the Proto-Indo-European root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

    The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people; an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."

    In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building ("creation of a new nation") is attested by 1907 (implied in "nation-builder"). Nation-state ("sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent") is from 1918.

    "A nation is an organized community within a certain territory; or, in other words, there must be a place where its sole sovereignty is exercised." – Theodore D. Woolsey, Introduction to the Study of International Law, 1864
     

    nationalist (n.)
    "one devoted to his nation," 1715, from national (adj.) in a now-otherwise-obsolete sense of "patriotic; characterized by attachment or devotion to one's own race or country or its institutions" (1711) + -ist. In 19c. Britain often particularly "one who advocates independence for a nation" (especially Ireland). Also used in theology for "one who holds to the divine election of entire nations," as distinguished from that of particular individuals (1836).
     

    nationalism (n.)
    1844, "devotion to one's country, national spirit or aspirations, desire for national unity, independence, or prosperity;" see nationalist + -ism; in some usages from French nationalisme. Earlier it was used in a theological sense of "the doctrine of divine election of nations" (1836). Later it was used in a sense of "doctrine advocating nationalization of a country's industry" (1892). An earlier word for "devotion or strong attachment to one's own country" was nationality (1772).

    "To place the redemptive work of the Christian Faith in social affairs in its proper setting, it is necessary to have clearly in mind at the outset that the consciousness of "the nation" as the social unit is a very recent and contingent experience. It belongs to a limited historical period and is bound up with certain specific happenings, theories of society and attitudes to life as a whole." – Vigo A. Demant, God, Man, & Society
     
    I'm assuming I need not go into the qualifier "white," the etymology of which is not much germane anyhow since it is being used as a stand-in for "European" and nothing to do with the colour as such....

    You see anything in all that about "supremacy," "hate," or any of the other nonsense? Me, neither; and I can read Latin, but don't take my word for it; parse all the original stuff yourself and by all means educate me if I missed anything, because I am all about life-long learning.
  179. @El Dato
    @J.Ross

    There was also the Bad Boss Cop from Blade Runner. In the later-added voiceover "A guy who would call a black man a nigger".

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Joe Joe

    that was the immortal M. Emmett Walsh as Captain Bryan!

  180. @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    I’m in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.
     
    "Everything"...said nobody, ever. If you're going to be tiresome, jabbering windbag/twit, at least be consistent.

    Replies: @Poco, @Corvinus

    Well, he is consistently a tiresome, jabbering, windbag/twit.

  181. @Autochthon
    @Felix M

    What's the point of the remark about Professor Lewis? He does look like "the village butcher" as much as any man may be said to: an ordinary, approachable, bright fellow happy to slice one's mutton the way one prefers. I expect this is all that was meant by the original observer: that Lewis' appearance and comportment were humble and unremarkable (as indeed they were) and did not necessarily belie he was a man of staggering genius (as indeed he was).

    I'm not familiar with the observation or its context, but I doubt it meant to suggest anything negative – let alone criminal – about either Professor Lewis or butchers.

    Butchering is a perfectly respectable trade, despite the term butcher being (understandably) applied to criminals who maimed victims horribly. Perhaps you are thinking too much of Bill the Butcher and not enough of (admittedly fictional, but representative of a million actual butchers) Sam the Butcher.

    (Bill wasn't even especially scary-looking; but most of course now associate him with his cartoonish portrayal in Hollywoo. In any event, I'd argue Clive calls to mind Sam more than either idea of Bill.)

    http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/962/am5.JPG

    Sam

    https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/24/82724-004-C01DBECB.jpg

    Clive

    https://cdn.viewing.nyc/assets/media/b9e8cf0afa830d5056ac6cac4615774e/elements/0f2c4dc3a979abe713622659d41c6aef/xl/d8439acb-95de-4374-bcf9-7dec5a8a7cf0_2x.jpg

    Bill

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O8Pm2ZGhCdM/UKAuC2U4qEI/AAAAAAAACPI/nN2vhN5X3bY/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/12billthebutcher-Gangs-of-New-York.jpeg

    Cartoonishly Menacing Bill (Portrayed By Daniel)

    Replies: @L Woods

    Bill the Butcher was right (and I say this as someone with some Irish ancestry).

  182. @Coburn
    @PiltdownMan

    How do you get a BA in Physics? Isn't a Physics degree a BS?

    Replies: @Jeff the Donleavy Fan, @PiltdownMan

    It depends on the university or college in question. Some hand out only Bachelor of Arts degrees in both the Arts and Sciences, which is the case with Berkeley.

    From wikipedia.

    The College of Letters and Science (L&S) is the largest of the 14 colleges at the University of California, Berkeley and encompasses the liberal arts. The college was established in its present state in 1915 with the merger of the College of Letters, the College of Social Science, and the College of Natural Science….The College of Letters and Science awards only Bachelor of Arts degrees at the undergraduate level, in contrast to the other schools and colleges of UC Berkeley which award only Bachelor of Science degrees at the undergraduate level.

    L&S is organized into five divisions: Arts and Humanities, Biological Science, Mathematical and Physical Sciences, Social Sciences, and the Undergraduate Division

    In his case, he was a double major in a science and also an “arts” subject, so perhaps he had to pick one?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @PiltdownMan

    Botched editing that reply.

    He didn't have to pick a degree. Berkeley hands out B.A. degrees to physics majors, not B.S. degrees. As do some other universities, such as Cornell. Economics majors, of course, get B.A. degrees.

  183. @PiltdownMan
    @Coburn

    It depends on the university or college in question. Some hand out only Bachelor of Arts degrees in both the Arts and Sciences, which is the case with Berkeley.

    From wikipedia.


    The College of Letters and Science (L&S) is the largest of the 14 colleges at the University of California, Berkeley and encompasses the liberal arts. The college was established in its present state in 1915 with the merger of the College of Letters, the College of Social Science, and the College of Natural Science....The College of Letters and Science awards only Bachelor of Arts degrees at the undergraduate level, in contrast to the other schools and colleges of UC Berkeley which award only Bachelor of Science degrees at the undergraduate level.
    ...
    L&S is organized into five divisions: Arts and Humanities, Biological Science, Mathematical and Physical Sciences, Social Sciences, and the Undergraduate Division

     

    In his case, he was a double major in a science and also an "arts" subject, so perhaps he had to pick one?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Botched editing that reply.

    He didn’t have to pick a degree. Berkeley hands out B.A. degrees to physics majors, not B.S. degrees. As do some other universities, such as Cornell. Economics majors, of course, get B.A. degrees.

  184. If wokeness can put the damper on Big Brother, maybe it isn’t 100% bad.

  185. @The Alarmist
    @eah


    If engineers can develop a software (and hardware) system to drive a car, they can also develop one to fairly reliably identify typical facial features found in criminals.
     
    Yeah, I'll think of this the next time I read about a Tesla on autopilot driving into a truck.

    Replies: @eah, @Jim Don Bob

    Yeah, I’ll think of this the next time I read about a Tesla on autopilot driving into a truck.

    I write software for a living, and there is NO WAY I am EVER getting into a car that runs on autopilot.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Jim Don Bob

    I fly on autopilot all the time; it's a great tool to lighten the workload, but I don't doze or get engrossed in movies or books while doing it. You have to be situationally aware and ready to override and take control at all times because stuff happens, like failure or ambiguity, the calculus of which the human brain is better able to work around at the moment. Autopilot in cars for the average Joe or Jane on the streets outside of a closed, controlled course is a long way away, but the "few" failures we are told about will make that more obvious as the number of these "autonomous" vehicles hit the streets and start killing in larger numbers.

  186. @Herzog
    @Corvinus

    Weidmann is a quite common name in Germany, and doesn't ring particularly Jewish to me. German-based Jewish names tend to refer to precious or / and beautiful objects (Rosenblatt = rose petal, Goldstein = gold stone, etc.), whereas Weidmann translates as "willow man."

    Replies: @El Dato, @Corvinus, @Jim Don Bob

    Weidmann is a quite common name in Germany…

    My elderly neighbor is named Weidmann and she is as German as she can be. Not a yarmulke in sight.

  187. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    @Coburn

    You can get a BA in physics, but it's less rigorous. You need fewer math and physics credits. It's more appropriate if you want to get a job as a high school science teacher, or, perhaps as a graphics editor at the New York Times.

    It's weird, though, to get a B.A. and not a B.S. Why not take those few extra classes? Maybe he just got burnt out in his studies, or realized that a career in the sciences was not for him.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jeff the Donleavy Fan, @PiltdownMan

    It’s weird, though, to get a B.A. and not a B.S. Why not take those few extra classes?

    Because a BS in Physics is hard. My daughter started out in Physics, and was politely told after freshman year that she should switch to math.

    In Physics you need the math and the Physics too. It worked out well for her and I am glad the department was honest with her about her abilities.

  188. @Corvinus
    @Jack D

    "Weidmann is not a “Jewish” name."

    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/WEIDMANN

    "A favorite sport around here is to label anyone and everyone (esp. people you don’t like) as “Jewish” "

    Absolutely agree. Perhaps we can be the Wonder Twins and stop this nefarious activity.

    "but I didn’t know you were into that game too."

    I'm in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.

    Replies: @William Badwhite, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.

    Corvinus, my good man, your commentary usually sticks to the realm of opinion, but here you’ve kicked it up a notch by dropping plain old silly lies.

    Your two links are bogus: The first one is a 404 Not Found error, the second is a commercial site that lists boilerplate search results for any name that according to the “Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex Code” sounds even vaguely like a Jewish name:

    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HITLER
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HIMMLER
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HESS

    If your cited picture is of Roissy, he sure doesn’t look Jewish, and if his real surname is Weidmann, that’s a German surname:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weidmann
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weidemann

    I agree with Jack D on this one—labeling someone you don’t like, against the evidence, as “Jewish” is a surprising departure for you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Here is the link.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman/-

    "the second is a commercial site that lists boilerplate search results"

    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.

    "If your cited picture is of Roissy, he sure doesn’t look Jewish..."

    He definitively has the features.

    "and if his real surname is Weidmann, that’s a German surname"

    Which is Jewish. I didn't realize you would come to the tribe's defense.

    "I agree with Jack D on this one—labeling someone you don’t like, against the evidence, as “Jewish” is a surprising departure for you."

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage at those fine posters who repeatedly make that charge. And it is assuredly outside of your character to be concern trolling and virtue signaling about those who "make labels against the evidence".

    Besides, isn't it just a tad more enGOYable to blame an entire group for what is wrong with our world?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @The Alarmist

  189. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    @Coburn

    You can get a BA in physics, but it's less rigorous. You need fewer math and physics credits. It's more appropriate if you want to get a job as a high school science teacher, or, perhaps as a graphics editor at the New York Times.

    It's weird, though, to get a B.A. and not a B.S. Why not take those few extra classes? Maybe he just got burnt out in his studies, or realized that a career in the sciences was not for him.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jeff the Donleavy Fan, @PiltdownMan

    My mistake. I guess Berkeley is unusual in that it gives out only a B.A. degree, not a B.S., in physics. I was thinking back to my own undergraduate days at UT Austin.

  190. @peterike

    By Sahil Chinoy Mr. Chinoy is a graphics editor for The New York Times Opinion section.
     
    Am i the only one noticing that the rate at which Desis, Chinese and Koreans are showing up in classic SJW media jobs is ramping up tremendously? So who's getting pushed out? Jews? I doubt it. That leaves... yeah, whitey. Even white SJWs.

    It's perfectly clear that the Jewish over-class (not necessarily the billionaires; also the media Narrative handlers making $30K a year) has consciously allied with Asians in their relentless anti-white messaging. Every day it seems a new anti-white Asian shows up with a byline somewhere on Jewish controlled media. In five years, the NY Times staff will be 95% Jews and Asians, with a smattering of token blacks and Hispanics and Arabs.

    This is your new ruling class being formed. It's fascinating to watch, however doleful the effects are going to be.

    Replies: @Known Fact

    Yeah, you don’t see many stories anymore with bylines like “Chuck Baker” or “Joe Flaherty”

  191. @bored identity
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Don't be mean.

    All she ever wanted is to be an ordinary U-15 boy.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    All she ever wanted is to be an ordinary U-15 boy.

    She missed her true calling. 🙁

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    U-15 was sunk with all hands in 1940.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  192. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @J.Ross

    I mean the list of achievements clearly disprove that idea that "he doesn't know what he's doing"

    Replies: @J.Ross

    No, it doesn’t. None of those are achievements, they’re academic scoring at a time of runaway academic corruption. His inability is the thing that’s not in doubt here.

    • Troll: BengaliCanadianDude
  193. Anonymous [AKA "Enjoy Drag Queen Story Hour Goyim"] says:

    It’s quite the coincidence that yesterday I was reading about ultra murderer Felix Dzerzhinsky and I noticed from photos that his nose is crooked and maybe that’s where the anger came from. He has those mutant genes that Edward Dutton talks causing facial asymmetry, lowering genetic fitness, leading to anti social behavior out of self hate or its correlation with other determinants of violence.

  194. @Old Palo Altan
    @Lot

    110 to 150?

    Neumann was 200 at least.

    Replies: @Lot

    “Neumann was 200 at least.”

    Only 14 points below Ron Unz!

  195. @Old Palo Altan
    A favourite Galton story:

    One day Charles Darwin came for lunch, and afterwards Galton offered to measure his cousin's skull:

    "My heavens, Charles, a splendid head. I've known only one better in all my years of careful measurement."

    "One better? And whose might that have been?"

    "My own, my dear cousin, my own".

    Replies: @Lot

    Galton is a pleasure to read.

  196. @Jeff the Donleavy Fan
    @Coburn

    You can get a BA in physics, but it's less rigorous. You need fewer math and physics credits. It's more appropriate if you want to get a job as a high school science teacher, or, perhaps as a graphics editor at the New York Times.

    It's weird, though, to get a B.A. and not a B.S. Why not take those few extra classes? Maybe he just got burnt out in his studies, or realized that a career in the sciences was not for him.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jeff the Donleavy Fan, @PiltdownMan

    Not quite. See my other post.

    Some leading universities don’t hand out B.S. degrees in the hard sciences at the undergraduate level. Their undergraduate colleges of arts and sciences (or equivalents) award only B.A. degrees. Berkeley and Cornell are two such universities.

  197. @Anonymous
    @ben tillman


    The three children, a 7-month-old, a 1-year-old and a 5-year-old, were not injured in the incident. They are currently staying with other family members.
     
    How do you get a 7 month old and a one year old?

    Replies: @Flip

    I suppose it means the child was not yet two, not that he was 12 months old.

  198. @William Badwhite
    @Corvinus


    I’m in the game of poking fun at those individuals who believe everything Jewish is evil, or that everything bad in the world is the result of Jewish machinations.
     
    "Everything"...said nobody, ever. If you're going to be tiresome, jabbering windbag/twit, at least be consistent.

    Replies: @Poco, @Corvinus

    “Everything”…said nobody, ever.”

    Right, just politics, economics, and social policy. That’s not “everything”. (rolling of eyes)

    “If you’re going to be tiresome, jabbering windbag/twit, at least be consistent.”

    Dear, try to keep up with my dialectic commentary.

  199. Anonymous[313] • Disclaimer says:

    “There’s no art to find the mind’s construction in the face” –Bob Marley

  200. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    Indeed, that name is found in Germany, but it is Jewish.
     
    Corvinus, my good man, your commentary usually sticks to the realm of opinion, but here you’ve kicked it up a notch by dropping plain old silly lies.

    Your two links are bogus: The first one is a 404 Not Found error, the second is a commercial site that lists boilerplate search results for any name that according to the “Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex Code” sounds even vaguely like a Jewish name:

    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HITLER
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HIMMLER
    https://www.hebrewsurnames.com/HESS

    If your cited picture is of Roissy, he sure doesn’t look Jewish, and if his real surname is Weidmann, that’s a German surname:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weidmann
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weidemann

    I agree with Jack D on this one—labeling someone you don’t like, against the evidence, as “Jewish” is a surprising departure for you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Here is the link.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman/-

    “the second is a commercial site that lists boilerplate search results”

    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.

    “If your cited picture is of Roissy, he sure doesn’t look Jewish…”

    He definitively has the features.

    “and if his real surname is Weidmann, that’s a German surname”

    Which is Jewish. I didn’t realize you would come to the tribe’s defense.

    “I agree with Jack D on this one—labeling someone you don’t like, against the evidence, as “Jewish” is a surprising departure for you.”

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage at those fine posters who repeatedly make that charge. And it is assuredly outside of your character to be concern trolling and virtue signaling about those who “make labels against the evidence”.

    Besides, isn’t it just a tad more enGOYable to blame an entire group for what is wrong with our world?

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.
     
    LOL, it appears you found a grand total of one Jew on the planet with the name Weidmann, verses my links to multiple notable )))German((( Weidmanns.

    He definitively has the features.
     
    Yes, of a Weidmann.

    https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/c864c116724697.562b07537d2fc.jpg

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage …
     
    Outrage? Of course not. Although I am surprised. You owe Jack D an apology.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Corvinus

    , @The Alarmist
    @Corvinus

    Oh, that's funny ... Now do Weißmann, as in the guy on the Müller investigation team.

  201. @bomag
    @Corvinus

    We can guess pretty well what you look like.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “We can guess pretty well what you look like.”

    I’m an Adonis compared to you.

  202. @res
    @Autochthon


    Actually, his definition is spot on, in both denotation and etymology. Those you cite are, at best, connotative ploys at charging. perfectly neutral term with controversy to impugn those it describes.
     
    Perhaps so. Could you elaborate on the etymology you mention? Do you think "majority white" is the standard, or is there some higher or lower threshold than exactly 50%? Or is it more about the dominant culture?

    Like it or not, I think the Merriam-Webster definition has broader use in American culture at this point (and I agree that is a problem). I don't particularly care about the exact definition (though having one would be nice). I just get very tired of the endless motte and bailey games with relatively broad/innocuous labels being used to imply much worse. Or alternatively, relatively innocuous behaviors (e.g I like autobahns) being claimed to indicate overall extremism (Nazi!).

    Replies: @Autochthon

    A fair question, and well met. Alas, I’m getting lazy, as it’s late, but in the spirit of Homer Simpson on collecting garbage (“Can’t someone else do it?!”):

    nation (n.)
    c. 1300, nacioun, “a race of people; large group of people with common ancestry and language,” from Old French nacion “birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland” (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) “birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe,” literally “that which has been born,” from natus, past participle of nasci “be born” (Old Latin gnasci), from the Proto-Indo-European root *gene- “give birth, beget,” with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.

    The word is used in English in a broad sense, “a race of people; an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language,” and also in the narrower sense, “a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised.”

    In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the “political society” sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building (“creation of a new nation”) is attested by 1907 (implied in “nation-builder”). Nation-state (“sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent”) is from 1918.

    “A nation is an organized community within a certain territory; or, in other words, there must be a place where its sole sovereignty is exercised.” – Theodore D. Woolsey, Introduction to the Study of International Law, 1864

    nationalist (n.)
    “one devoted to his nation,” 1715, from national (adj.) in a now-otherwise-obsolete sense of “patriotic; characterized by attachment or devotion to one’s own race or country or its institutions” (1711) + -ist. In 19c. Britain often particularly “one who advocates independence for a nation” (especially Ireland). Also used in theology for “one who holds to the divine election of entire nations,” as distinguished from that of particular individuals (1836).

    nationalism (n.)
    1844, “devotion to one’s country, national spirit or aspirations, desire for national unity, independence, or prosperity;” see nationalist + -ism; in some usages from French nationalisme. Earlier it was used in a theological sense of “the doctrine of divine election of nations” (1836). Later it was used in a sense of “doctrine advocating nationalization of a country’s industry” (1892). An earlier word for “devotion or strong attachment to one’s own country” was nationality (1772).

    “To place the redemptive work of the Christian Faith in social affairs in its proper setting, it is necessary to have clearly in mind at the outset that the consciousness of “the nation” as the social unit is a very recent and contingent experience. It belongs to a limited historical period and is bound up with certain specific happenings, theories of society and attitudes to life as a whole.” – Vigo A. Demant, God, Man, & Society

    I’m assuming I need not go into the qualifier “white,” the etymology of which is not much germane anyhow since it is being used as a stand-in for “European” and nothing to do with the colour as such….

    You see anything in all that about “supremacy,” “hate,” or any of the other nonsense? Me, neither; and I can read Latin, but don’t take my word for it; parse all the original stuff yourself and by all means educate me if I missed anything, because I am all about life-long learning.

  203. @AndrewR
    @Roger

    Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @Roger

    Roissy always struck me as a nihilistic troll with sharp analytical skills. He definitely had very pro-white biases though.

    He would always praise beautiful women, and he thought white were the most beautiful. So sure, he had pro-white biases.

    Nihilistic? Yes, in the sense that he thought civilization was collapsing and little could be done about it. He say little point in even trying.

    But I would not call that attitude “white nationalist”. The term white nationalism suggests an effort to create a white nation. He would probably laugh that off as being hopeless.

  204. @Neuday
    @Anonymous

    This guy has a physics degree from Berkeley and he's a stinking graphics editor for a newspaper? No wonder he's mad at the world, just another underpaid brown NPC in NYC.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Autochthon

    How do you know that’s all he does? Plus, working for the NYC is lucrative to an extent, you’re not getting minimum wage or anything. Hell, I’m thinking it’s well above the median income for the US. It’s a credible newspaper that is followed by a lot. He’s getting paid a very hefty sum. He could be doing other things too but no matter. Working for NYT is enough

    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @BengaliCanadianDude


    It’s a credible newspaper
     
    No it isn't.

    that is followed by a lot.
     
    This part is true, and is a serious problem.
  205. @Neuday
    @Anonymous

    This guy has a physics degree from Berkeley and he's a stinking graphics editor for a newspaper? No wonder he's mad at the world, just another underpaid brown NPC in NYC.

    Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude, @Autochthon

    You’d be amazed what an undergraduate degree in physics (from any university) by itself, along with $2.00, can get you … from Del Taco’s Value Menu.

    Do you have a degree? Are you a baby boomer? I son’t mean to pry or be sarcastic, but I find people who haven’t attended university and old people have really inflated notions about the value of formal education; many have no idea that plenty of people with graduate degrees, even in challenging disciplines, now regularly work as retail clerks and such because of the overpopulation the asshole boomers (“muh property values and cheap labour”) have wrought.

    • Replies: @Anonymousse
    @Autochthon


    plenty of people with graduate degrees, even in challenging disciplines, now regularly work as retail clerks and such
     
    I HEAR a lot about this but I’ve basically never personally encountered it. Probably selection bias but are we really so sure this is a real phenomena? Genuine question.

    Everyone I’ve known with anything on the ball whatsoever and good grades from any somewhat reputable place in a non stupid field... has at least a professional job with solid upper middle class (or better) prospects.

    Maybe I’m an asshole X-er but that’s just what I’ve seen. What’s your experience?

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Autochthon

  206. @SimpleSong
    @PiltdownMan

    One interpretation of this is to say that this is clearly a bright kid writing drivel, and scratch our heads and ask what happened.

    Another interpretation is to say that intelligence can be defined as an ability to accurately see the world as it truly is, given the finite and imperfect life experience of one individual. Or alternatively it can be defined as the ability to receive, understand, manipulate and repeat established wisdom. Of course these categories overlap but they are not the same thing, and impressive educational credentials tend to correlate exclusively with the latter. Perhaps this person has a lot of the latter sort of intelligence, and not much of the former.

    Personally, I would not consider this person intelligent any more than I would consider a person who can memorize a million digits of pi intelligent.

    And I must admit that I have found that life of the mind of Europeans seems to be qualitatively different than that of non-Europeans who score approximately the same on intelligence testing.

    Thus, while I think that intelligence, college grades, etc. have value, their importance tends to be overstated, particularly on sites like this where everyone has those high scores and conflates that with their own self worth. Personally I consider the relationship between these sorts of scores and the squishy, poorly defined concept of 'intelligence' to be similar to the relationship between height and the squishy, poorly defined concept of basketball ability. Height clearly correlates quite strongly with the ability to play basketball well.

    But:

    the best players are not necessarily the tallest
    The tallest team is not necessarily the best team
    The tallest ethnic group in the US (Whites) does not necessarily produce the best players
    The best team is not determined by measuring heights but rather by playing the game

    Thus I think if you want to understand which group is 'intelligent' you should read Murray's Human Accomplishment rather than comparing test scores.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @William Badwhite, @J.Ross

    This comment should be put in a golden box.

  207. @RobUK
    @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps they were thinking of G K Chesterton with the 'village butcher' reference.

    Replies: @Anonymousse

    Village butchers seem to be an altogether more impressive bunch than most supposed

  208. @Autochthon
    @Neuday

    You'd be amazed what an undergraduate degree in physics (from any university) by itself, along with $2.00, can get you ... from Del Taco's Value Menu.

    Do you have a degree? Are you a baby boomer? I son't mean to pry or be sarcastic, but I find people who haven't attended university and old people have really inflated notions about the value of formal education; many have no idea that plenty of people with graduate degrees, even in challenging disciplines, now regularly work as retail clerks and such because of the overpopulation the asshole boomers ("muh property values and cheap labour") have wrought.

    Replies: @Anonymousse

    plenty of people with graduate degrees, even in challenging disciplines, now regularly work as retail clerks and such

    I HEAR a lot about this but I’ve basically never personally encountered it. Probably selection bias but are we really so sure this is a real phenomena? Genuine question.

    Everyone I’ve known with anything on the ball whatsoever and good grades from any somewhat reputable place in a non stupid field… has at least a professional job with solid upper middle class (or better) prospects.

    Maybe I’m an asshole X-er but that’s just what I’ve seen. What’s your experience?

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @Anonymousse

    The complete opposite.

    , @Autochthon
    @Anonymousse

    Because insomnia, you get bonus empirical data:

    https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/04/6a01348793456c970c01b8d05f4aba970c-800wi.jpg

  209. @eah
    @The Alarmist

    And your point would be...what exactly? -- that Tesla Autopilot, like no doubt every other similar system, is not perfect? -- well, duh -- nor will future 'full self driving' (FSD) be perfect -- but I'm sure when you compare hours of use vs failures, the record so far is probably pretty good -- and I did say "fairly reliably", right?

    My point was more that recognizing facial features is a LOT easier than creating a vehicle autopilot system -- I'm not sure what your point was.

    Here's an analogy you may find more suitable: if engineers and other technical professionals can design reliable medical imaging systems -- x-ray, ultrasound, CAT, MRI, etc -- then they can also design "fairly reliable" facial recognition systems and applications.

    Do you like that better?

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    The point is that I’d hate to be the innocent average Joe who ends up on Death Row because my facial features were similar with a high degree of confidence to those of the actual offender.

    Remember the early feature of the iPhones that unlock using facial recognition in China, and how it had trouble recognising some Chinese faces?

    • Replies: @eah
    @The Alarmist

    the innocent average Joe who ends up on Death Row because my facial features were similar

    I see -- that's a rather hyperbolic extrapolation, wouldn't you say? -- kleiner Hinweis: there is a point where hyperbolic extrapolation becomes nonsense, even paranoia -- you've reached that point here.

    But kudos for choosing a suitable moniker: "The Alarmist".

    And no wonder I didn't see your point.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  210. @Jim Don Bob
    @The Alarmist


    Yeah, I’ll think of this the next time I read about a Tesla on autopilot driving into a truck.
     
    I write software for a living, and there is NO WAY I am EVER getting into a car that runs on autopilot.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    I fly on autopilot all the time; it’s a great tool to lighten the workload, but I don’t doze or get engrossed in movies or books while doing it. You have to be situationally aware and ready to override and take control at all times because stuff happens, like failure or ambiguity, the calculus of which the human brain is better able to work around at the moment. Autopilot in cars for the average Joe or Jane on the streets outside of a closed, controlled course is a long way away, but the “few” failures we are told about will make that more obvious as the number of these “autonomous” vehicles hit the streets and start killing in larger numbers.

  211. eah says:
    @The Alarmist
    @eah

    The point is that I'd hate to be the innocent average Joe who ends up on Death Row because my facial features were similar with a high degree of confidence to those of the actual offender.

    Remember the early feature of the iPhones that unlock using facial recognition in China, and how it had trouble recognising some Chinese faces?

    Replies: @eah

    the innocent average Joe who ends up on Death Row because my facial features were similar

    I see — that’s a rather hyperbolic extrapolation, wouldn’t you say? — kleiner Hinweis: there is a point where hyperbolic extrapolation becomes nonsense, even paranoia — you’ve reached that point here.

    But kudos for choosing a suitable moniker: “The Alarmist”.

    And no wonder I didn’t see your point.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @eah

    Allgegenwärtige Überwachung + Künstliche Intelligenz ist ein schlüpfriger Weg zur Endlösung.

    I am The Alarmist.

  212. @Corvinus
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Here is the link.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman/-

    "the second is a commercial site that lists boilerplate search results"

    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.

    "If your cited picture is of Roissy, he sure doesn’t look Jewish..."

    He definitively has the features.

    "and if his real surname is Weidmann, that’s a German surname"

    Which is Jewish. I didn't realize you would come to the tribe's defense.

    "I agree with Jack D on this one—labeling someone you don’t like, against the evidence, as “Jewish” is a surprising departure for you."

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage at those fine posters who repeatedly make that charge. And it is assuredly outside of your character to be concern trolling and virtue signaling about those who "make labels against the evidence".

    Besides, isn't it just a tad more enGOYable to blame an entire group for what is wrong with our world?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @The Alarmist

    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.

    LOL, it appears you found a grand total of one Jew on the planet with the name Weidmann, verses my links to multiple notable )))German((( Weidmanns.

    He definitively has the features.

    Yes, of a Weidmann.

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage …

    Outrage? Of course not. Although I am surprised. You owe Jack D an apology.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    verses my links
     
    Or “versus my links” … yes, that’s better.

    https://meisters-bautzen.de/media/meisters-wurst-fleischwaren-bautzen.jpg
    , @Corvinus
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "LOL, it appears you found a grand total of one Jew on the planet with the name Weidmann, verses my links to multiple notable )))German((( Weidmanns."

    Why is so hard for you to believe that Weidman can be a Jewish name? Wow, you and JackD defending the tribe. I never thought I would see that day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Weidman

    https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/schneider-susan-weidman

    "Yes, of a Weidmann."

    Who is Jewish.

    "Outrage? Of course not. Although I am surprised. You owe Jack D an apology."

    LOL, more feigning outrage on your part.

    By the way, the "German" beer you linked to is actually a product of the Netherlands.

    https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/weidmann-weissbier-hefeweiss/202863/

    "Or “versus my links” … yes, that’s better."

    Ironic that you linked to kishka.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  213. Folks, I have four words of advice for you: “Never buy a chimp.”

  214. @eah
    @The Alarmist

    the innocent average Joe who ends up on Death Row because my facial features were similar

    I see -- that's a rather hyperbolic extrapolation, wouldn't you say? -- kleiner Hinweis: there is a point where hyperbolic extrapolation becomes nonsense, even paranoia -- you've reached that point here.

    But kudos for choosing a suitable moniker: "The Alarmist".

    And no wonder I didn't see your point.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Allgegenwärtige Überwachung + Künstliche Intelligenz ist ein schlüpfriger Weg zur Endlösung.

    I am The Alarmist.

  215. @Corvinus
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Here is the link.

    https://jewishdata.com/jewish_genealogy_search/Weidman/-

    "the second is a commercial site that lists boilerplate search results"

    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.

    "If your cited picture is of Roissy, he sure doesn’t look Jewish..."

    He definitively has the features.

    "and if his real surname is Weidmann, that’s a German surname"

    Which is Jewish. I didn't realize you would come to the tribe's defense.

    "I agree with Jack D on this one—labeling someone you don’t like, against the evidence, as “Jewish” is a surprising departure for you."

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage at those fine posters who repeatedly make that charge. And it is assuredly outside of your character to be concern trolling and virtue signaling about those who "make labels against the evidence".

    Besides, isn't it just a tad more enGOYable to blame an entire group for what is wrong with our world?

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @The Alarmist

    Oh, that’s funny … Now do Weißmann, as in the guy on the Müller investigation team.

  216. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.
     
    LOL, it appears you found a grand total of one Jew on the planet with the name Weidmann, verses my links to multiple notable )))German((( Weidmanns.

    He definitively has the features.
     
    Yes, of a Weidmann.

    https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/c864c116724697.562b07537d2fc.jpg

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage …
     
    Outrage? Of course not. Although I am surprised. You owe Jack D an apology.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Corvinus

    verses my links

    Or “versus my links” … yes, that’s better.

  217. @Anonymousse
    @Autochthon


    plenty of people with graduate degrees, even in challenging disciplines, now regularly work as retail clerks and such
     
    I HEAR a lot about this but I’ve basically never personally encountered it. Probably selection bias but are we really so sure this is a real phenomena? Genuine question.

    Everyone I’ve known with anything on the ball whatsoever and good grades from any somewhat reputable place in a non stupid field... has at least a professional job with solid upper middle class (or better) prospects.

    Maybe I’m an asshole X-er but that’s just what I’ve seen. What’s your experience?

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Autochthon

    The complete opposite.

  218. @Anonymousse
    @Autochthon


    plenty of people with graduate degrees, even in challenging disciplines, now regularly work as retail clerks and such
     
    I HEAR a lot about this but I’ve basically never personally encountered it. Probably selection bias but are we really so sure this is a real phenomena? Genuine question.

    Everyone I’ve known with anything on the ball whatsoever and good grades from any somewhat reputable place in a non stupid field... has at least a professional job with solid upper middle class (or better) prospects.

    Maybe I’m an asshole X-er but that’s just what I’ve seen. What’s your experience?

    Replies: @Autochthon, @Autochthon

    Because insomnia, you get bonus empirical data:

  219. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    Jews tend to have narrow faces and close set eyes, but high intelligence. So relying exclusively on eye distance could give you misleading information if you didn't control for background.

    Replies: @res

    This is one of the biggest issues with physiognomy. Mistakenly using conclusions developed from observing one group to judge a member of another group.

  220. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus


    Which lends evidence that the name is Jewish.
     
    LOL, it appears you found a grand total of one Jew on the planet with the name Weidmann, verses my links to multiple notable )))German((( Weidmanns.

    He definitively has the features.
     
    Yes, of a Weidmann.

    https://mir-s3-cdn-cf.behance.net/project_modules/max_1200/c864c116724697.562b07537d2fc.jpg

    Perhaps you should feign your outrage …
     
    Outrage? Of course not. Although I am surprised. You owe Jack D an apology.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Corvinus

    “LOL, it appears you found a grand total of one Jew on the planet with the name Weidmann, verses my links to multiple notable )))German((( Weidmanns.”

    Why is so hard for you to believe that Weidman can be a Jewish name? Wow, you and JackD defending the tribe. I never thought I would see that day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Weidman

    https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/schneider-susan-weidman

    “Yes, of a Weidmann.”

    Who is Jewish.

    “Outrage? Of course not. Although I am surprised. You owe Jack D an apology.”

    LOL, more feigning outrage on your part.

    By the way, the “German” beer you linked to is actually a product of the Netherlands.

    https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/weidmann-weissbier-hefeweiss/202863/

    “Or “versus my links” … yes, that’s better.”

    Ironic that you linked to kishka.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus

    Whoa. You’re factually wrong on all counts, and still no apology from you to Jack D.

    Corvinus, I thought you were better than this. :(

    Replies: @Corvinus

  221. @BengaliCanadianDude
    @Neuday

    How do you know that's all he does? Plus, working for the NYC is lucrative to an extent, you're not getting minimum wage or anything. Hell, I'm thinking it's well above the median income for the US. It's a credible newspaper that is followed by a lot. He's getting paid a very hefty sum. He could be doing other things too but no matter. Working for NYT is enough

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    It’s a credible newspaper

    No it isn’t.

    that is followed by a lot.

    This part is true, and is a serious problem.

  222. @SimpleSong
    @PiltdownMan

    One interpretation of this is to say that this is clearly a bright kid writing drivel, and scratch our heads and ask what happened.

    Another interpretation is to say that intelligence can be defined as an ability to accurately see the world as it truly is, given the finite and imperfect life experience of one individual. Or alternatively it can be defined as the ability to receive, understand, manipulate and repeat established wisdom. Of course these categories overlap but they are not the same thing, and impressive educational credentials tend to correlate exclusively with the latter. Perhaps this person has a lot of the latter sort of intelligence, and not much of the former.

    Personally, I would not consider this person intelligent any more than I would consider a person who can memorize a million digits of pi intelligent.

    And I must admit that I have found that life of the mind of Europeans seems to be qualitatively different than that of non-Europeans who score approximately the same on intelligence testing.

    Thus, while I think that intelligence, college grades, etc. have value, their importance tends to be overstated, particularly on sites like this where everyone has those high scores and conflates that with their own self worth. Personally I consider the relationship between these sorts of scores and the squishy, poorly defined concept of 'intelligence' to be similar to the relationship between height and the squishy, poorly defined concept of basketball ability. Height clearly correlates quite strongly with the ability to play basketball well.

    But:

    the best players are not necessarily the tallest
    The tallest team is not necessarily the best team
    The tallest ethnic group in the US (Whites) does not necessarily produce the best players
    The best team is not determined by measuring heights but rather by playing the game

    Thus I think if you want to understand which group is 'intelligent' you should read Murray's Human Accomplishment rather than comparing test scores.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @William Badwhite, @J.Ross

    Great comment

  223. Steve’s chimp joke goes unnoticed -sad! Of course, being in a Syrian Civil war is better than a tiger eating you in “The bush”. After, it’s the humans that are fighting – not the chimps. But i agree, don’t buy a chimp. Don’t own a chimp. Grown up Chimps are quite nasty and dangerous.

  224. @El Dato
    @Herzog

    Correct. The Weidmann is the "hunter" or possibly a woad farmer.

    "Weidmann's Heil!" == "Good hunting!"

    Replies: @Herzog

    El Dato,

    interesting take, that “hunter” option. I had only thought about Weidmann as derived from “Weide” = “willow,” overlooking even that “Weide” can also mean “pasture, meadow.”

    There is a minor spelling difference though: It is “Waidmann” that would amount (in older language) to “hunter.” However, it could still be the source of Heartiste’s name, as the pronunciation is identical with Weidmann, and the spelling difference might play no role if, as is likely, the family adopted or was assigned the name before spelling became standardized.

  225. @Roger
    The quote is from the Chateau Heartiste blog. Formerly, Roissy. There is no link as Wordpress has de-platformed it.

    I would not call that blog "white nationalist". The author would talk about social trends, but I never saw him say he is working towards white nationalism.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @L Woods, @AndrewR, @Moses

    What’s wrong with not wanting your country’s ethic mix to change?

    As far as I can tell, “White Nationalists” want to be able to live among other Whites and not among non-Whites.

    Blacks openly state they want to live with Blacks. “Black Nationalism.”

    Jews have their own country. They expel non-Jewish migrants regularly. “Jewish Nationalism.”

    Japan allows only ethnic Japanese re-immigration. “Japanese Nationalism.”

    I could go on.

    Wanting a more or less homogeneous country or place is ok for other groups.

    But when Whites do it it’s bad, called “White Nationalism” (a bad thing).

    Did I get it right?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Moses

    "What’s wrong with not wanting your country’s ethic mix to change?"

    It depends how you go about doing it. You do realize that the WASPS

    "As far as I can tell, “White Nationalists” want to be able to live among other Whites and not among non-Whites."

    Except a great deal of American whites are not "white nationalists". They want to mix with whom they prefer.

    "Blacks openly state they want to live with Blacks. “Black Nationalism.”"

    SOME blacks.

    "Jews have their own country. They expel non-Jewish migrants regularly. “Jewish Nationalism.”"
    "Japan allows only ethnic Japanese re-immigration. “Japanese Nationalism.”"

    It is more complicated than what you make it out to be. And, of course, the United States has a far different history than those the Jews or the Japanese.

    "Did I get it right"?

    Not particularly.

  226. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @bored identity


    All she ever wanted is to be an ordinary U-15 boy.
     
    She missed her true calling. :(

    https://sharkhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Rebs.jpg

    Replies: @Anon

    U-15 was sunk with all hands in 1940.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Anon

    Yes, I looked up the actual boat before posting—it adds poignancy to the young man’s portrait, though that particular sailor served aboard U-456 and U-20 and possibly survived the war.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  227. @J.Ross
    @Lot

    He looks like Temujin.

    Replies: @Stumpy Pepys

    Temujin had grey green eyes, reddish hair and a full beard. So no, does not look like Temujin.

  228. @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "Heartiste was mostly interested in facial distinction between alpha men and cucks..."

    Here is what Heartiste looks like. His real name is James Weidmann. The name is Jewish, so we can surmise he is of that race/ethnicity/religion.

    https://kennyspuathoughts.wordpress.com/2012/04/25/roissychateau-heartisteexposed-as-a-manipulative-blogger/

    NOTICE his stretched tight smile (upper lip tight across teeth). This “overly sincere” smile is a mask that hides the owner’s true agenda with an attempt to communicate an unfelt sincerity or caring. It is a deception flashed to make an impression. In other words, a gamma male.

    http://rebloggy.com/post/lips-teeth-science-faces-spirituality-psychology-biology-philosophy-greek-face-r/38606449840

    Again, science proves it!

    Replies: @Herzog, @J.Ross

    His Mann has two N’s.

  229. @SimpleSong
    @PiltdownMan

    One interpretation of this is to say that this is clearly a bright kid writing drivel, and scratch our heads and ask what happened.

    Another interpretation is to say that intelligence can be defined as an ability to accurately see the world as it truly is, given the finite and imperfect life experience of one individual. Or alternatively it can be defined as the ability to receive, understand, manipulate and repeat established wisdom. Of course these categories overlap but they are not the same thing, and impressive educational credentials tend to correlate exclusively with the latter. Perhaps this person has a lot of the latter sort of intelligence, and not much of the former.

    Personally, I would not consider this person intelligent any more than I would consider a person who can memorize a million digits of pi intelligent.

    And I must admit that I have found that life of the mind of Europeans seems to be qualitatively different than that of non-Europeans who score approximately the same on intelligence testing.

    Thus, while I think that intelligence, college grades, etc. have value, their importance tends to be overstated, particularly on sites like this where everyone has those high scores and conflates that with their own self worth. Personally I consider the relationship between these sorts of scores and the squishy, poorly defined concept of 'intelligence' to be similar to the relationship between height and the squishy, poorly defined concept of basketball ability. Height clearly correlates quite strongly with the ability to play basketball well.

    But:

    the best players are not necessarily the tallest
    The tallest team is not necessarily the best team
    The tallest ethnic group in the US (Whites) does not necessarily produce the best players
    The best team is not determined by measuring heights but rather by playing the game

    Thus I think if you want to understand which group is 'intelligent' you should read Murray's Human Accomplishment rather than comparing test scores.

    Replies: @Autochthon, @William Badwhite, @J.Ross

    Possible illustration: A kid like this would read the Phantom Tollbooth and be genuinely perplexed about not being allowed to finish transporting the hill of sand one grain at a time.
    And — if you presumed to criticize him, he’d demand to know how many hills you had moved.

  230. @Corvinus
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    "LOL, it appears you found a grand total of one Jew on the planet with the name Weidmann, verses my links to multiple notable )))German((( Weidmanns."

    Why is so hard for you to believe that Weidman can be a Jewish name? Wow, you and JackD defending the tribe. I never thought I would see that day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Weidman

    https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/schneider-susan-weidman

    "Yes, of a Weidmann."

    Who is Jewish.

    "Outrage? Of course not. Although I am surprised. You owe Jack D an apology."

    LOL, more feigning outrage on your part.

    By the way, the "German" beer you linked to is actually a product of the Netherlands.

    https://www.ratebeer.com/beer/weidmann-weissbier-hefeweiss/202863/

    "Or “versus my links” … yes, that’s better."

    Ironic that you linked to kishka.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Whoa. You’re factually wrong on all counts, and still no apology from you to Jack D.

    Corvinus, I thought you were better than this. 🙁

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Actually, I'm right on ALL counts, especially you feigning outrage over posters here labeling other posters as Jews when they oppose their line of thinking. From now on, I expect you to be the Goy Police when it comes to this nefarious activity considering your "epiphany".

    If you really want to keep up with this charade, be my guest.

  231. @Anon
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    U-15 was sunk with all hands in 1940.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Yes, I looked up the actual boat before posting—it adds poignancy to the young man’s portrait, though that particular sailor served aboard U-456 and U-20 and possibly survived the war.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Kriegsmarine had > 40% casualties, the highest of any branch of the German military.

    Das Boat still makes me determined never to get into a submarine.

    I read this on a iSteve recommendation: https://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Thin-Grey-Line-1939-1945/dp/1526711664

    Almost 2500 ships and also 40,000 merchant seaman all of whom were volunteers.

  232. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Corvinus

    Whoa. You’re factually wrong on all counts, and still no apology from you to Jack D.

    Corvinus, I thought you were better than this. :(

    Replies: @Corvinus

    Actually, I’m right on ALL counts, especially you feigning outrage over posters here labeling other posters as Jews when they oppose their line of thinking. From now on, I expect you to be the Goy Police when it comes to this nefarious activity considering your “epiphany”.

    If you really want to keep up with this charade, be my guest.

  233. @Moses
    @Roger

    What's wrong with not wanting your country's ethic mix to change?

    As far as I can tell, "White Nationalists" want to be able to live among other Whites and not among non-Whites.

    Blacks openly state they want to live with Blacks. "Black Nationalism."

    Jews have their own country. They expel non-Jewish migrants regularly. "Jewish Nationalism."

    Japan allows only ethnic Japanese re-immigration. "Japanese Nationalism."

    I could go on.

    Wanting a more or less homogeneous country or place is ok for other groups.

    But when Whites do it it's bad, called "White Nationalism" (a bad thing).

    Did I get it right?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “What’s wrong with not wanting your country’s ethic mix to change?”

    It depends how you go about doing it. You do realize that the WASPS

    “As far as I can tell, “White Nationalists” want to be able to live among other Whites and not among non-Whites.”

    Except a great deal of American whites are not “white nationalists”. They want to mix with whom they prefer.

    “Blacks openly state they want to live with Blacks. “Black Nationalism.””

    SOME blacks.

    “Jews have their own country. They expel non-Jewish migrants regularly. “Jewish Nationalism.””
    “Japan allows only ethnic Japanese re-immigration. “Japanese Nationalism.””

    It is more complicated than what you make it out to be. And, of course, the United States has a far different history than those the Jews or the Japanese.

    “Did I get it right”?

    Not particularly.

  234. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Anon

    Yes, I looked up the actual boat before posting—it adds poignancy to the young man’s portrait, though that particular sailor served aboard U-456 and U-20 and possibly survived the war.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The Kriegsmarine had > 40% casualties, the highest of any branch of the German military.

    Das Boat still makes me determined never to get into a submarine.

    I read this on a iSteve recommendation: https://www.amazon.com/Churchills-Thin-Grey-Line-1939-1945/dp/1526711664

    Almost 2500 ships and also 40,000 merchant seaman all of whom were volunteers.

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