As Murray and others have written, it’s the cognitive elite pulling away from everyone else.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Freada+Kapor+Klein&FORM=HDRSC2

Images of Freida Kapor Klien. I always like to see what high powered women look like. My instant take before I know more is they are delusional or as blacks say “tripping”

What conspiracy is causing Asian men to do so well out in SV?

Science and technology move forward in spite of the prevailing socio-political context in which they operate. Over the last 200 years, every Western ideology in power, be it far right or far left, has understood that sci/tech is the goose that lays the golden egg, so it gets to operate in its own bubble, relatively untouched by whatever tyranny is being unleashed on everyone else.

I do hope to see the American Left pave new ground and kill the goose. Hasten the decline.

“Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed…”

Wiki: [Freada Kapor] Klein also frequently served as an expert witness on gender discrimination and sexual harassment.

A excellent expert doesn’t know anything that might interfere with profit.

White privilege, but it has opposite affect on Asians. Remember good or bad, it’s always white men’s fault.

You know, I don’t disagree with the main premise, but the idea that Asians, left to their own devices, would produce a meritocracy is risible. White men prefer smarts over race? Sure. Asian men? Not so much.

Dave McClure ( http://Twitter.com/davemcclure ), a junior member of the PayPal Mafia, invests in some women- and minority-founded startups globally via his venture capital firm, 500 Startups.

Don’t the Chinese have thousands of years of experience testing for aptitude for civil service jobs? Granted, they have a long history of cheating too, but cheating successfully requires some aptitude to.

And Northeast Asians in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong have created high-tech, 1st world economies. Hard to do that without identifying talent.

Steve,

You lived in Chicago. You should be well aware of the degree to which Jesse Jackson and his Operation PUSH movement did irrevocable damage to the tradition of non discriminatory meritocratic scientific human resource management that was a hallmark of Chicago area corporations beginning with the legacy of the great and highly influential Sears Roebuck executive Julius Rosenwald.

http://www.clairegaudiani.com/AboutClaire/Pages/JuliusRosenwald.aspx

In the late eighties and through out the nineties Operation Push destroyed corporate meritocracy in Chicago.

Hello Silicon Valley.

but what about Ali Baba, bidu, sina, netease, vipshop, sohu and many other Chinese entrepreneurial success stories? Even if men prefer dumb women, by genetic change, they will still produce some geniuses, and those are the ones who go on to create companies like the aforementioned ones.

I agree with Ed Realist’s opinions about education and IQ, but I think he’s wrong about China.

tech is a money maker for the powers that be. That is why they leave it alone. In the fed govt, those areas of the govt where competence is crucial, the affirmative action requirements are not nearly as stringent.

Once again I return to the idea that multiculturalism is subject to the need for profit. In fact, multiculturalism was created in order to generate profits by increasing the supply of labor and consumers. But in areas where competence is crucial, multiculti is abandoned.

It is not really leftism, but fake Leftism.

Here’s another example of the phenomenon that is the moving goalposts of the definition of diversity. While straight white gentile cisgendered man can never be diverse, and the domestic black American is always diverse, in between, there’s a whole lot of wiggle room. You can classify everyone else as either diverse or non-diverse to fit whatever agenda you’re packing. In the case of SV diversity, Asians aren’t diverse.

Speaking of Silicon Valley, Paul Graham came up yesterday with this:

Let the Other 95% of Great Programmers In

American technology companies want the government to make immigration easier because they say they can’t find enough programmers in the US. Anti-immigration people say that instead of letting foreigners take these jobs, we should train more Americans to be programmers. Who’s right?

The technology companies are right. [...]

My bakkaball students at the House that Hope Built did not cheat successfully….after I revised the multiple choice tests to have two or more “forms” where I left the questions in the same order but rearranged the answers. I made this change mid-term. Suddenly, the “riders” in the class started to earn grades so low they could not have been accidental. I’m talking 8/100 or 12/100 on a 25 question multiple choice test. The”horses” grades did not change.

After three more tests, I explained what I had done. Anger ensued. Then, just for fun, I started printing some of the form A tests on the form B color stock and some of form B on form A. Administration was not pleased.

If the Silicon Valley wannabees are too stupid to cheat, I guess the narrative says we should help them cheat.

Kapor Klein’s quip is too eloquent to be a one off, throwaway line. She said it like that because she knows it to be true.

In EdRealist’s defense, I think the argument is not that Asians are dumb, or cannot recognize merit when they see it, or cannot be innovative. The argument is Asians tend to produce systems that benefit their own race first and foremost, even if that excludes other talent.

Would wager a small fortune there are not many gender nor race studies majors working in Silicon Valley spare the throwaway corporate HR jobs that waste resources in many companies. In my brief Wall Street experience and from those I know still working there longterm such offices are viewed as a necessary evil joke. Go for a day of “diversity training” and get it over with. And that’s where the beautiful Mrs. Kapor Klein comes in to laugh in the face of reality and experience for a price.

“Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race, there has to be some systemic explanation for what these numbers look like.”

MY GOD UNTIL WE CAN FIND SOMEONE ABLE TO POSIT IDEAS WE’RE STUCK HERE

fed. government values competence? learn something new everyday

Kapor: “Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race, there has to be some systemic explanation for what these numbers look like.”

Why doesn’t she just say what she means: “I dare anyone to posit intelligence is not evenly distributed…”?

You don’t often see the Equality Edict so openly and plainly evoked, do you? Tends to expose the absurdity of it. Ms Kapor is either taunting us or she isn’t very slick. She must be relatively new at this.

Graham knows this part is b.s.:

The US has less than 5% of the world’s population. Which means if the qualities that make someone a great programmer are evenly distributed, 95% of great programmers are born outside the US.

If you racially turn Silicon Valley into Detroit by way of affirmative action, you will NEVER AGAIN see any new technological inventions/advancements come out of Silicon Valley.

Blacks are just not a tech savvy race. If they were, Sub Saharan Africa would have their own version of Silicon Valley but they don’t.

East Asia has their own version of Silicon Valley, but not the dark Continent where Michael Brown’s ancestors come from.

“But in areas where competence is crucial, multiculti is abandoned.”

“Multiculturalism” is for consumers and for workers. For proles, for the middle class. It is meant to lower wages and to create demand for crass commercial products.

Important areas will perhaps have just a few AA jobs for show, and some fake protesters such as Freada Kapor paying lip-service to multi-culti mumbo-jumbo, but don’t expect for Hollywood or Silicon Valley or Wall Street to have a large number of black lesbian programmers or directors any time soon.

Really, it’s kind of hard to think of any human characteristic that is “evenly distributed across genders and races”.

“Graham knows this part is b.s.:

The US has less than 5% of the world’s population. Which means if the qualities that make someone a great programmer are evenly distributed, 95% of great programmers are born outside the US.

That is extremely retarded logic by Graham. That is like saying because America is 13 percent Black, that means only 13 percent of all violent criminals in the U.S are Black.

There is a reason why Silicon Valley has way more programmers who were born in Hong Kong than they do programmers who were born in Honduras.

Why are Left Wingers naive enough to believe all racial groups are equally tech savvy ?

It could be argued that the real purpose of such complaints is not to give jobs in Google or Hollywood to more blacks and Latino technicians, but to hire more women such as Frieda to become diversity czars in such places. You don’t even need minorities, you just need someone to pay lip-service to the “injustices done to minorities”, publish some report or study about it that will prove that it is all the White Man’s fault, and get paid for it. Now that’s a good job.

Why do mostly men prevail in the NBA?

I think it’s “all men.”

“Hard to do that without identifying talent.”

As Ben Espen sez, I’m not questioning their ability to identify talent–so long as it’s from the same race, country, class, and gender as they are. I seem to recall Britain had to create a law banning caste discrimination among Indian immigrants.

But in this country, Asians don’t have any record of diverse hiring. They come over, use local networks to get loans and employees. https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2014/04/24/just-a-job/

There was also that recent NY Times article about a Fujian illegal immigrant who traveled from one Chinese restaurant to another, all over the country. The employers weren’t putting ads in the paper. They wanted cheap labor that spoke Chinese.

And the big H1B visa shops aren’t hiring from a wide range of countries.

I worked at a Indian “consulting” house in the mid-90s, and I was the only white person around, and only because I had a hard-to-find specialty. Everyone did a doubletake when I walked in a room. (Same doubletake I get in my neighborhood now, where I’m the only white person in a 3 mile radius.)

Cmon. They didn’t get the memo.

hmmm…but even after excluding low IQ/underdeveloped nations, there is still a lot of potential foreign talent

Startups aren’t just about ability, they’re also about risk tolerance and willingness to put your whole life on hold for a few years while you focus intensely on getting your company to succeed. It wouldn’t be a big shock if that appealed less to women than men, for both cultural and biological reasons. Similarly, it wouldn’t be a shock if willingness to take that kind of risks (as opposed to seeking out a safer, more stable job with less upside and less downside) was distributed differently among people from different countries and even different ethnic groups within the US.

I think sometimes it’s easy to forget how unnatural it is to obsess over diversity in hiring, housing, etc. It seems to me like the overwhelming majority of people across time and in different places tend to prefer to hire, do business with, live close to, marry, etc., people more-or-less like themselves. That’s a desire that most modern Americans probably have much less of than almost anyone else you can find, largely because of our country’s history of mixing together lots of different sets of immigrants from different countries, but also supplemented by decades of propaganda efforts to make us at least pretend to want diversity.

The surprise is not that Pakistanis or Chinese who come to the US often prefer to hire other Pakistanis or Chinese. The surprise would be if that *didn’t* happen.

The narrative says that blacks are underclass because they can be identified and kept down. The narrative says that meritocracies are the last vestige of the plantation system. The narrative says that blacks perform as well as whites, and any test or job requirement that says otherwise is fraudulent.

Some observations on the narrative: Those who cannot follow logic, only the narrative, see nothing wrong with constructing fraudulent academic systems, cheating on tests, or on disputing valid test results. It is inconvenient for them to assign any validity to test results that do not advance the narrative. I suspect now that we have a majority of narrative believers in government jobs that make use of touchy-feely skills, such as HR, that the tests themselves that seek to predict success in government or service industry careers have been modified to predict success for blacks. I suspect fraud.

The narrative now says that Google et al must employ large numbers of blacks. Those who wrote the narrative, being of the mindset that cannot think logically, believe there will be no consequence.

Yeah, SV has tons of diversity in all kinds of directions–people from lots of different countries, many nonwhites (almost always South or East Asian), lots of people with oddball beliefs and unconventional lifestyles. But they don’t have the kind of diversity valued in US political circles, mainly due to historic discrimination and the way voting blocs line up.

I guess since Lotus is dead Miss Kapor doesn’t have much else going on.

“The surprise is not that Pakistanis or Chinese who come to the US often prefer to hire other Pakistanis or Chinese. The surprise would be if that *didn’t* happen.”

Right. But it’s why we shouldn’t be so eager to let in Pakistanis, Chinese, Indians, and Koreans. Hell, throw in Russians.

And it’s also a reason to wonder if all the hiring in Silicon Valley is as meritocratic as all that, given the huge influx of Asian immigrants.

Are the Silicon Valley contributions really genuine or are they just a subtle form of extortion, a protection racket? ‘Nice business you’ve got here, it’d be really bad for us all if the diversity hounds stuck their nose in and spoiled things; but don’t worry, you’ve got a friend in us’.

“Kapor Klein’s quip is too eloquent to be a one off, throwaway line. She said it like that because she knows it to be true.”

No, she said it that way because she knows no one will dare say it’s true.

Here’s how the rhetorical technique works.

The diversity issue that usually kicks off the “concern” is gender diversity. This is the only one that anybody really cares about, or seriously expects to have some “remedy” (where by “remedy” is meant some extra special privileges granting members of a group immediate and unmerited powers and status). There are just too few blacks or Latinos who have a hope in hell of making it in Silicon Valley, so increasing their numbers is just a joke and a ruse. But there are tons of upper middle class women who imagine themselves big shots because they went to all the right schools, worked hard, and got good grades. They think they deserve the power status and money of the best of Silicon Valley.

But here’s their problem, politically. They look and act like spoiled brats. They have had all kinds of Daddy’s money thrown at them throughout their lives, and all the honors academically anybody might ever seek. But they throw a tantrum when they can’t seem to perform in the real world of STEM and in management the way they think they should, given their unbelievable awesomeness. They don’t look like underdogs, they look like Richie Rich with an attitude.

So they make common cause with those who seem a lot more sympathetic, for example blacks and Latinos.

It may be just barely acceptable to suggest the biology thing when it comes to gender issues, or at least to hint at it. Larry Summers may have eventually lost his job in no small part because he openly suggested such a thing, but he hung on for some time, and it was no less politically fraught a job than the Presidency of Harvard. But to suggest in any way the same sort of issue with Blacks and Latinos is unforgivable and immediately fatal to a career.

Beyond this, it is also far less dangerous to deviate from orthodoxy on gender issues because women’s relative lack of success can be attributed to less toxic biological causes, such as a woman’s greater interest in child rearing, or perhaps social interactions more generally.

Therefore, to say,

“Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race, there has to be some systemic explanation for what these numbers look like.”

Is to forestall any kind of suggestion that women’s relative lack of success is in any way based on biology, making any such assertion the equivalent to the most taboo claim of all: that certain groups, blacks as a most noxious case, fail to achieve because they aren’t as smart as others based on biology.

That’s how the language game is played.

“I want to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race.”

I cktm’d. (Chuckled knowingly to myself)

the beauty of a free market is that if a company that discriminates fails, the problem fixes itself.

But they don’t have the kind of diversity valued in US political circles, mainly due to historic discrimination

Can you elaborate on the type of diversity that is valued in US political circles and how historic discrimination has prevented it in SV?

Ben Jealous (insert joke here), head of the NAACP, is a parter at Kapor

If you can write solid code, Silicon Valley doesn’t care if you’re a transexual pygmy muslim with five wives.

They will hire you.

You don’t need to be rich to “take a chance.” as an entrepreneur. That was back in the nineties. The author of the article cited needs to do a little more due diligence before posting claims as if they were fact. Any kid can write an app, with very little money. If the app does well, poor kid does well. Very little to no risk.

Here’s a link about a 13 year old kid, whose parents are immigrants from Peru, who has been supporting his family via an app he wrote, AND what do you know, Mark Zuckerberg himself found the kid pretty quick and scooped him up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmQG_BCiVHU#t=33

The article Steve cites is a load. Silicon Valley is nothing if not a meritocracy. Their survival depends on it. Anyone who’s read all the mournful cries whenever Apple rolls out a new system architecture will understand why bad code isn’t an option. If you don’t have the IQ and the mental tenacity that is required to write good code, you won’t be hired no matter what ethnicity you are. Bad coders can incite class action suits agains software makers. Imagine you’re a lousy coder and/or manager writing for “Quicken.” All hell can break loose fast and easy. Software and hardware companies can’t allow for affirmative action hiring. They would be planting the seeds for their own destruction.

So we will never see black folks in any significant numbers writing code for Facebook. Just like we’ll never see Asians in significant numbers playing for the NBA.

Some companies that have recently had black CEO’s.

Sears, Darden Foods ( Red Lobster), Time Warner, American Express, McDonald’s, Xerox.

Folks these are not the spear point of American industry and success. They are dying companies.

Steve – please, please, please…. keep hope alive.. these mockery post are such essential counter-narratives.

Hell, throw in Russians.

-Nope; not Russians. They’re one of the few ethnicities to not cluster around each other, mainly due to their famed antisociality. You might be thinking of Russian Jews or Ookrayinayans.
Famed Russian antisociality:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145589/Civic-Engagement-Highest-Developed-Countries.aspx

As Murray and others have written, it’s the cognitive elite pulling away from everyone else.

No, it’s not. It’s a segment of the cognitive elite trying to put distance between itself and the rest of the cognitive elite AND everyone else.

it’s also a reason to wonder if all the hiring in Silicon Valley is as meritocratic as all that, given the huge influx of Asian immigrants.

Yeah, I don’t buy the notion that the Asians in SV are all there by “merit”. Many of them are there because some of them got in by merit and then used their position to bring in as many of their countrymen as possible.

Her husband, Mitch Kapor, designed Lotus 1-2-3, the seminal spreadsheet program that helped to make the IBM PC famous,

An example of how the victors get to rewrite history. In fact the original spreadsheet program was VisiCalc, designed and encoded by Dan Bricklin and Bob Frankston. Lotus basically stole Bricklin’s and Frankston’s innovations via a defecting employee, improved the product to take over the market, and eventually got away with the original theft by overwhelming Bricklin and Frankston via litigation that dragged on for years. Basically Kapor oversaw a very successful piece of industrial espionage.

[…] Source: Steve Sailer […]

I enjoyed Chris Rock’s recent jab at Hollywood’s “Mexican Slavery”. He noted that Mexicans did most of the real labor at Hollywood’s “liberal” productions, but rarely appear in films. Aside from diversity, these new hybrid Democrats/Libertarians don’t give a damn about the working class. Two from my blog.

July 13, 2014 – Billionaires Press for Open Borders

As I often note, the key objective of American billionaires is open borders to allow a flood of desperate workers (including skilled workers) to drive down wages further. This is part of what economist William Greider calls, the “Brazilination” of the USA; becoming a nation of super wealthy 1% and impoverished workers with no middle class. President Obama wants to force “immigration reform” on a nation whose people strongly oppose this objective. He began by halting all non-serious criminal deportations and pressing for a second amnesty. This resulted in a bigger flood of poor refugees that made Obama’s job more complex. Last week, a train derailed in Mexico leaving 1300 “migrants” stranded, yet no one expressed alarm that this one train is evidence of a mass, uncontrolled invasion of the USA. 

Obama blames Republicans for not following orders. The US Chamber of Commerce funnels millions of dollars to Republican congressmen, but most congressmen of BOTH parties refuse to sell out. Angry billionaires blame workers who they demean as: extreme tea party types, racists, or nativist. America’s biggest billionaires, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and Sheldon Adelson recently authored an opinion piece in the New York Times where they demanded action. In particular, they want unlimited visas for skilled workers so they can lay off higher paid American workers. The medical industry already has an unlimited supply of J visas, which is why you see mostly foreigners working in our hospitals.

They say that foreigners who we train in American universities must be allowed to stay and work. I say that we should train American workers at our universities who are already allowed to work here! You might think the Democratic party would openly oppose open borders since they claim to represent working Americans. This is a ruse since they are funded by the same billionaires as the Republicans. Their main “liberal” mouthpiece, The Huffington Post, even posted an article about the billionaires pushing for open borders to prove that everyone understand the benefits. This is a good example of media spin, as the HuffPo article focuses on the billionaires criticizing the GOP, with no mention of their very unpopular idea of unlimited “skilled” work visas. 

The comments afterwards are interesting because many true pro-working class liberals and progressives strongly oppose open borders, and are attacked by the weak minded who are naively anti-worker and anti-American. Some claim that “we” are responsible for economic problems abroad, so powerless American workers must tolerate an invasion of poor workers (that benefit American corporations) because American corporations caused disruptions in Latin America decades ago with military invasions and NAFTA. 

If our nation truly has a shortage of skilled workers, why don’t these billionaires and their spokesman B. Obama propose a training plan for unemployed and underemployed American workers? It’s interesting to watch this battle between billionaires and their puppets in Washington DC against American workers, who strongly oppose another amnesty and work visas, despite misleading corporate funded polls that pretend voters are indifferent. I suspect this last battle for American democracy will fail, reinforcing Mark Twain’s comment a century ago: “If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.” Welcome to New Brazil. 

July 17, 2014 – I Love the Timing

A few days ago, Microsoft founder Bill Gates joined two of our nation’s other multi-billionaires calling for unlimited work visas for skilled STEM workers. We are told this is needed because of a shortage of skilled Americans. Today, Microsoft announced the largest layoffs in its history. Up to 18,000 Americans will be fired as Microsoft continues to enjoy strong profits. The process began by sending a layoff notice by e-mail to 12,500 dedicated workers. Note that Hewlett-Packard laid off 34,000 Americans this past year.

Wow. You are so right. Good catch. What about the NFL? Mostly or all men? I mean, I am not that much of a sports fan, so it is hard to keep straight which professional leagues include the full spectrum of genders.

Good call. This may be true.

Steve’s rejoinder was great though…

White, white, white… blah blah blah.

What we need is a ‘white crackup’.

Demand to reveal what percentage of Power Whites are Jewish or homosexual.

All this ‘white privilege’ hysteria is to distract us from Jewish power.

Various white groups are not equally or proportionately represented in the elites.

When they say ‘white’, it gives the false impression that white conservatives are in power.

But Silicon Valley and Hollywood are dominated by Jews and homosexuals. And Democrats.

“The article Steve cites is a load. Silicon Valley is nothing if not a meritocracy. Their survival depends on it. “

It’s been changing. Consolidating into the stereo-typical large multinationals, kind of like the big investment banks (who funded a lot of it). Keep up on that anti-trust hiring court case against the likes of Apple, Goggle, Intel, …, the one where they kept Steve Jobs from testifying from the dead?

“…One reason the bosses had the cojones to try this caper is that Apple and Google in particular are the dream factories of America’s digital and marketing elites. People would work at those places for free—and in some ways, that makes the exploitation even worse. “It’s shocking primarily because I’ve never heard of an industrywide web of bilateral agreements to suppress talent competition,” …”

Au contraire, the codebase at Intuit is just terrible. As (an unfortunate) user Quickbooks Pro, I find the Mac version export to PC option works horribly, with nasty bugs that leave major accounts and transactions missing when exporting to PC versions. Worse, there are three PC versions, only one of which can read/write the other PC versions. The logfile is binary and prone to corruption. The H1B era of Microsoft is if anything, even worse.

Outside some critical areas, SV has consistently chosen cheap labor over code quality time after time. Its one reason I use Open Source mostly now — the code quality is no worse, often times better (interfaces are terrible I grant you).

And SV is doomed just like Hollywood.

Al Sharpton has a say in what Sony makes now according to the NY Post.

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Pascal agreed to let Sharpton have a say in how Sony makes motion pictures, in an effort to combat what he called “inflexible and immovable racial exclusion in Hollywood.”

“We have agreed to having a working group deal with the racial bias and lack of diversity in Hollywood,” said Sharpton.

He said Sony would work closely with his National Action Network, ​the ​National Urban League, ​the ​NAACP and the Black Women’s Round Table to “see if we can come up with an immediate plan to deal with it.”

The meeting, held behind closed doors at the Greenwich Hotel, also included National Urban League president Marc Morial.
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I met Marc Morial when I lived in New Orleans. All I can say is, he was smarter than Ray “Chocolate City” Nagin in not getting indicted much less convicted as Mayor of New Orleans.

Tidbit: Amy Pascal says Idris Elba will be the next James Bond.

SV is just as doomed.

Why?

Because Hollywood and SV are the last places for Rev. Al and company to shakedown. As Dems become Blacker and Blacker, they need SV and Hollywood money less and less.

To put in stark terms, its as if the nation went overnight from a White Majority nation to one that has Whites as a “Market Dominant Minority” ala Amy Chua and get ready for the Marcos/Suharto shakedown with periodic purges and demands by the new non-White majority to have:

*Most of the Coders and founders of SV companies.
*Most of the big time Hollywood actors, producers, directors, and writers.

Look at Chris Rock. He senses weakness. And opportunity. He figures if the nation is going be churning out mostly Kevin Hart movies, he might as well get in on the action while the getting is good.

Dems figure they have enough votes to win the Presidency election after election, enough safe seats for off cycle elections, and don’t need the money anymore but DO need to satisfy their non-White majority.

If history is any guide, expect a policy akin to Malaysia’s for Bumiputras ala the “New Economic Policy.” There will be fairly comprehensive quota limits on how many Whites can participate in SV and Hollywood. This is pretty much standard for every other place with a market dominant minority.

Which Whites are effectively, now.

Let me add, thanks Steve for publicizing Amy Chua’s World on Fire. I enjoyed its insights immensely. My life has become richer intellectually for this and once again thanks for all you do!

As for technology, the West’s advantage has been that next door rivals would gobble up neighbors if they didn’t adopt technology. That’s why firearms spread so rapidly in the West (you could conquer your knight-reliant neighbor) and so slowly in China (which was so big it had no effective dangerous rival for much of its history). Even though they were invented in China. Same with the magnetic compass and deep sea navigation. The Portugese were always afraid of the Spaniards, so unlike the Chinese burning the Great Fleet to the waterline and executing the Admiral; the Portugese sought constant navigational advantage to trade for wealth and safety (from Spain, from the Moors, etc.).

We don’t have much of a perceived rival who is close by, dangerous, and desiring to conquer us. Thus there seems to be no limit to how we can destroy our few remaining advantages in service of the new non-White majority demands that it be made first among many in Silicon Valley and Hollywood.

Here in California, and especially Orange County, Whites are keenly aware we are a (barely) tolerated minority. Irvine went from thirty years to nearly all-White to what amounts to a Chinese colony with orbiting Korean and Malaysian/Indonesian enclaves.

I can’t emphasize enough how comprehensive and informative Chua’s book really is; and offers a scary road map for the US as it flips rapidly to NAM Majority if effectively it is not already.

[Which depends if you believe VDARE's Peter Brimelow and others estimates that the true number of illegal aliens is not 11 million but more like 50-60 million.]

Screwing over the tech sector to make the Bumiputra equivalent happy and not riot? Yeah I can see that happen.

Nocera :
“Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race, there has to be some systemic explanation for what these numbers look like.”

Yeah, cause everyone knows that would be just nutty! How could anyone ever think that?

thanks to legislation such as the America Invents Act we have a less and less free market as time goes on.

A much better question is: why, if the tech industry is a meritocracy, is there such a thing as silicon valley and why is the real estate there so expensive??

I would posit that intelligence is evenly distributed across genders.
OK … maybe the distribution for males has more variance.

Clever in several ways. Interest and aptitude for certain kinds of work isn’t evenly distributed across genders. Aspies aren’t evenly distributed across genders. &c.

But the first part of her comment is true but irrelevant, since there is much more involved than intelligence. And the second part of her comment ??? Anyone with a job with a public profile want to step up to that one?

Sony does not own the rights to James Bond. The Broccolli family does. That is their meal ticket. no one is going to put $300 million in a Bond movie headed by Kevin Hart. It simply isn’t going to happen.

Amy Pascal can be replaced with a black studio head a lot faster than James Bond can.

That said, there are no industries more deserving of being taken down than SV and Hollywood.

Yeah, I don’t buy the notion that the Asians in SV are all there by “merit”. Many of them are there because some of them got in by merit and then used their position to bring in as many of their countrymen as possible.

It could be either that or it could be that Asians are over represented because they are on average more intelligent than white people. The same reason Jews are probably also over represented.

Or are you suggesting that intelligence is evenly distributed across races?

These companies don’t just hire geniuses. They hire thousands of people to staff their marketing, accounting, PR, advertising sales (which is the ones who don’t sell a product make their money), human resources, etc., etc. These are jobs that do not require advanced technical degrees, for the most part, or degrees from top schools or top programs. They don’t require geniuses or ace coders or anything like that. I am dying to know who they are hiring for all these jobs.

I am also dying to know what use these companies make of contract workers and outsourcing firms that don’t show up on their payrolls and temporary foreign workers.

I am not seeing how most white people are better off because high tech companies hire so many white people — if these companies wouldn’t hire someone like them or someone in their family. If the decisionmakers have a strong bias in favor of people from elite private schools or employee family and friends or people with the religious or ethnic backgrounds, that leaves out just about everybody but a few.

I can’t argue your point about certain industries being exempt from the “progressive” rules. I would just add the the financial industry and Wall St should be included along with the entertainment and high tech industries on the Wall of Shameful Hypocrisy.

The bigwigs of both parties and their financial supporters usually see themselves as very different from the average voter of their party. Not only that, the bigwigs and big donors often want things that are bad for the country and bad for most Americans.

The country and the people keep losing.

This has to stop. We’ve taken too many hits already.

If I were a black man smart enough to write good software, I’d be an idiot to actually make programming my career. It pays $200k tops (that’s if you’re *very* good). A black man as smart as that could make ten times as much as partner at a big law firm, chief of a major hospital, president of a university, etc.

Comparative advantage.

Also, programmers these days don’t get their own offices, even their own cubes. You sit out in the open almost elbow-to-elbow with your colleagues. Does that sound like a high-prestige career?

The only exception to the comparative advantage argument I made above would be if that hypothetical very-intelligent black man were too shy, or socially inept (keeping in mind though that whites will tolerate a high level of obnoxiousness) to succeed at a more people-facing career.

Right, I forgot finance: perfect high-pay alternative to programming.

BTW, Nocera, not Kristof. Wrong NYT idiot.

Linus Torvalds is no Richard Stallman, but that’s why Linux is so huge. You may not think Linux is, but it is. Your car, if it was made after 2000 or so, has Linux embedded in the various controllers. Your appliances have it embedded. If you have an Android phone or tablet….Linux. If you have DSL or a cable modem, Linux is in there, along with routers, hubs, switches, and even keyboards. If you have a medical device like a pacemaker surgically emplanted, it well might have Linux in it too. In terms of numbers of discrete CPUs running on the earth at any given time, more Linux runs than all other operating systems put together.

Torvalds, a Swedish Finn born and educated in Finland, currently resides in the US. He had no problem getting in and being given a visa, because the caliber of his work has proven so huge he qualified for a completely legitimate visa under the “exceptional worker” category. In reality, he’s a technically competent systems programer, but not in the realm of the hyper-able. Stallman, by contrast, was famously able to hold his own implementing a version of the MIT Lisp Machine against an entire sizable squad of Symbolics personnel-mostly MIT star graduate students, and thus some of the most elite “hackers” on planet-who were another, more well funded group attempting the same. His massive success came about because he was in the right place at the right time with enough skills and aptitude to realize he could do something, and that something was waiting to happen.

With Torvalds, as in a few dozen or hundred other cases, the system worked perfectly. The problem is that the “truly great programmers” are a very tiny group. There are many more board certified neurosurgeons in America-or probably even in the New York metro area-than there really are “truly great programmers” in the world. Therefore, such programs bring in tens, hundreds, or thousands of mediocre-to-pretty-good programmers for each “truly great programmer”.

Another issue is that “truly great programmers” tend to write code that no one else maintain, at least not at anywhere near the same level. In a lot of cases, it really is better to have merely competent people and give them the tools to create merely good-but well structured and well documented-code. It won’t be as fast but it will be extensible, maintainable, and if needed others can be recruited to replace the original programmers at any time.

We’d (‘we’ being non elite white Americans) be better off if some foreign companies DID take Silicon Valley down. It doesn’t benefit the average American whatsoever that Apple, or Microsoft, or Cisco, are in the US. They pay little in taxes, they provide few manufacturing jobs, they import piles of H-1B’s who stay and dilute our base, and they distort the political climate with their money and “glamor”. Phooey on the bunch of them.

Ravages for savages.

Look at me, I can code! All your bases belong to me!

“Yeah, I don’t buy the notion that the Asians in SV are all there by “merit”. Many of them are there because some of them got in by merit and then used their position to bring in as many of their countrymen as possible.”

Sun Microsystems, I’m told was the poster boy for that. The company was once the primary vendor of high powered workstations, but consistently went for mediocrity vs. quality and eventually were replaced by PCs running Linux. Entire divisions of the company’s software teams were populated by immigrants so raw they would break toilets by attempting to squat on top. This made regression to the mean inevitable. NeWS, a superior windowing system was allowed to fail and X Windows, free but ugly, replaced it. Large numbers of users of the machines wound up also buying a PC for each user as well simply to support Word, Outlook and other common PC apps because only Unix wizards could use the native tools even though Unix was far more powerful and dependable than Windows up through at least Windows NT 4. Sun had the feedback from its user base, knew of the problems, but their software development inhouse just did not possess the needed aptitudes and sense of the issue to do much. Consequently, the SPARCstation wound up slowly being pushed out by PCs.

It was a shame because the SPARC processor, Open Firmware, and SBus peripherals were far, far better than what was on the PC then. More space and energy efficient, easier to set up, better in every way.

The Chinese are fairly meritocratic about selecting talent among Chinese ethnics. This is not true among more clan based societies such as the Arab world or Southern Europe. China is more meritocratic than Italy, for example. The Anglo-Saxon/Northern European world is one of the few societies to extend the idea of meritocracy to foreigners and outsiders. Certainly the Ottoman Empire, and some other multi-national empires through history, offered talented foreigners room to advance, but always on condition that the newcomers swore fealty to the Emperor and the customs and traditions of the Empire.

…and I was the only white person around…Everyone did a doubletake when I walked in a room…

Same experience for me in my graduate Computer Science classes at the University of Florida in the late ’90s. One attractive Indian female classmate actually asked me “what country I was from.”

Why not interview the most successful Stanford female (born female) graduate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes

The article assumes that Stanford selects males and females using identical criteria. My guess is females have to be better looking than men. Which is to say many plain Janes get cut out, while plain Johns get in.

How about all the Stanford males that failed? The article is in many ways an advertisement for Stanford. Some statistics might be interesting on that point.

And what happened to internet pioneer and CEO Danni Ashe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danni_Ashe

The interesting thing about the assault on SV by the Cult is that they are using sex and race as the point of the spear. That resonates with the true believers, but outside of that very small group, no one cares that Apple looks like a Nazi Part rally. A much more successful front would be on the wage fixing schemes used by SV over the years to suppress wages. That would resonate with people well outside the Cult’s core.

“I want to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race.”

I cktm’d. (Chuckled knowingly to myself)

I don’t think there should be a “d” at the end of that as the “ed” is included in the “c”.

“the beauty of a free market is that if a company that discriminates fails, the problem fixes itself.”

Not if price is more important than merit. And the salary fixing scheme suggests that it is. Not sure what that means. But I agree with IJ and others who point out that programming has been turned into scut work for many, which suggests it’s not getting the smartest all the time.

Hahahaha to whoever said Russians aren’t insular. They are insular and corrupt.

I actually wrote about blacks who are smart enough to be math and science teachers (which, for blacks, is a high and uncorruptible standard) here: https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2014/09/21/the-available-pool/

Certainly they have far more options, and programming wouldn’t be first on the list.

She looks like the obnoxious wife of Larry David’s fat friend.

It could be either that or it could be that Asians are over represented because they are on average more intelligent than white people. The same reason Jews are probably also over represented.

However, it could also be sheer numbers, at least in the case of China. Since China has four times the people that the US has (and the US has significant population substructure) there will be, all else being equal, many more people in China capable of the work in Silicon Valley.

Secondly, given that there are only about 200M whites in the US, China really has about 6 times as many people who are capable assuming similar distributions.

Next, add in the probably 4-6 IQ point difference in the mean IQ, with the advantage possibly being China’s.

India is different given that it has significant population substructure. It has maybe 300M with a similar IQ profile as US whites.

Of course, this is all compounded by the willingness of Indians and Chinese to work for less.

But because of white privilege, that 5% basically rules the tech world

“These companies don’t just hire geniuses. They hire thousands of people to staff their marketing, accounting, PR, advertising sales (which is the ones who don’t sell a product make their money), human resources, etc., etc. These are jobs that do not require advanced technical degrees”

Very few jobs including programming and engineering require geniuses. But the quality of people in accounting, anything to do with selling, and HR is likely higher than you think unless you have worked for a large company lately. HR is mostly about employee benefits, not getting sued and the like.

You can’t add quota cases to elite coding and technical teams without the quota case exposed. The person’s limitations would be obvious to the other members of the team. I write as a person not qualified to work on such teams myself.

Lotus was always a hyped and over-rated product. It failed just as the IBM PC failed. In its time, it was far below SuperCalc in value and productivity. And No, I have/had nothing to do with SuperCalc other than as a one-off user. I did have other “fame” in the computer business however.

Not if price is more important than merit. And the salary fixing scheme suggests that it is. Not sure what that means.

It seems that many people do not understand what the agreement between those companies was all about. They were trying to do two things in my mind:

1. Prevent a bidding war for each other’s staff that would drive up salaries and benefits, and

2. Stop other companies in the group from poaching people from projects.

These companies were all public and no longer had the lure of pre-IPO stock although some of their compensation is still stock and if the stock is doing well, you can still make a lot of money at those places (even Microsoft, now that the stock is gaining again.)

However, losing people from key projects is a big deal because schedules take a big hit.

But I agree with IJ and others who point out that programming has been turned into scut work for many, which suggests it’s not getting the smartest all the time.

You know, people who can understand the problems with the overuse of threads and who can understand things like Paxos or Raft and how to build distributed systems are not below 2SDs above the mean.

While Google has hired lots of women (who might be willing to work for less simply because of the status associated with working for Google) I notice when I visit there that a lot of them are Chinese women and most of them are youngish (less than 30) which suggests they are very inexperienced. I have also heard that Google burns people out as well.

That said, only gullible non-elite white folks believe in color-blind “meritocracy.” The record shows quite clearly that east Asians and especially the Jews advance their own over whites with equal gifts. Truly elite whites do the same of course.

What is the Chinese equivalent of goyim? You white guys on the far right side of the bell curve who didn’t attend St. Paul or Sidwell and weren’t on the short list for legacy consideration at Harvard, Yale or Stanford ought to look into that.

Steve,

I suspect that Silicon Valley is going to come under more and more pressure to increase diversity.

Indeed, I see efforts in that direction already. Just recently Oprah had a special that my wife happened to be watching where they looked at how people who had previously been on the show turned out.

They looked at one black woman who allegedly started her own hair-care business when when she was 11 or something like that, who is now a Program Manager in Microsoft’s XBox division. (She was apparently also still working on her hair-care
business part time.) It seems like the business she started at 11 is going nowhere or otherwise she would not have to work at Microsoft, although they portrayed it as a strong independent black woman working in tech.

Now, HR is not a profit-making part of any company and its real function is to keep the company out of trouble and I imagine Silicon Valley will create diversity centers or something like that that they can staff with diversity hires but keep them from screwing up the company. If you have a few diversity hires here and there it is usually not a problem because they cannot do too much damage, but when you hit the 10% mark (as many cities have found) you start having problems.

If you can write solid code, Silicon Valley doesn’t care if you’re a transexual pygmy muslim with five wives.

Exactly. Case in point – John Carmack, the guy who basically created the First-Person Shooter genre of computer games, was asked a question by a SJW about “porting the gender gap” or some such nonsense.

The gamers found his simple answer refreshing.

Another data point seen in the paper today.

Unfiltered YouTube ‘changing diversity’ for minorities

“I think seeing a lot of different types of people represented is really the epitome of diversity online,” says Ramsey. “Whether it’s LGBT, people with disabilities, different gender spectrums – on YouTube if you don’t see your story told, you record it.”
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A July survey of 1,500 Americans ages 13-18 commissioned by Variety found that the five most influential celebrities among the population are YouTube personalities. It’s important to note that of the top five, all are male and two are minorities.

It is important, but not for the reasons I think the author intends.

Quantum mechanics and relativistic physics wre considered non-Marxist in the Soviet Union until about 1950. Also there was Lysenkoism which imposed a huge cost on Soviet agriculture

But after 1950′s the Soviets pretty much gave scientists intellectual freedom in their
fields.

If my Dog had a big money making idea they would hire him immediately. These people don’t make decisions based on race or gender, they want to make money, they don’t care about that crap. Grow up!

I don’t know whether there are sex differences in average IQ. Lynn has published a paper claiming that there is some average difference. But in any case it seems much less than a lot of racial/ethnic differences. Clearly though men have advantage in math/spatial areas.

This reminds me of my point on why there are so few black teachers.

It is because blacks who are smart and ambitious enough to become teachers get better jobs than that.

The ones who aren’t smart or ambitious enough work at the DMV.

Jim Parsons is currently starring in a commerical where he has to go to the DMV. Any guesses as to the race and gender of the worker?

“BTW, Nocera, not Kristof. Wrong NYT idiot.”

I was just about to point that out as well.

But all these race-class-gender themed articles in the MSM read like they were written by an automaton. The “Hivemind” at work.

Relevant to this thread: An article from TechCrunch from yesterday:

Yet, we know that many of America’s best engineers are never even given the chance to work in our industry, left behind by the meritocracy. Women are massively underrepresented in engineering jobs in the region, as are people older than 39. Graham might argue that America only represents 5% of the engineers worldwide, but it seems we have already thrown away more than 75% of them at home.

http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/27/on-immigration-engineers-simply-dont-trust-vcs/

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I think you’re right about the fact that the Chinese were complacent because they compared themselves to their neighbors and had little idea of what Europeans were up to until the latter had quite an edge.

However there may be more to China falling behind than just isolation. In the 17th and 18th centuries Japan was economically much more dynamic than China. Also in mathematics they were making progress. I believe for example that determinants and Cramer’s Rule were discovered by Japanese mathematicians somewhat before European mathematicians. Also in the mid 19th century when the Japanese became aware of just how far behind the West they were in science and technology they were able to catch up with astonishing speed.

So I don’t think China’s stagnation was solely due to it’s isolation. One big difference between Chinese and Japanese history was the Mongol invasion. This is also a big difference between the history of Western Europe and much of the rest of the civilized Old World (excepting Japan, North Africa, and Southeast Asia). Perhaps the rise of the West owes a lot to the devastation the Mongols inflicted on much of the rest of Eurasia.

Jik

Very few jobs including programming and engineering require geniuses.

1. What do you classify as a genius? 6SDs?

2. What level do you need for programming and engineering? 0SD, 1SD, 2SD …

What about QA?

What about architects?

But the quality of people in accounting, anything to do with selling, and HR is likely higher than you think unless you have worked for a large company lately.

So, where do you think they sit on the scale? 1SD, 2SDs, more?

HR is mostly about employee benefits, not getting sued and the like.

Correct. Especially not getting sued either by EEOC or by employees.

Freada Kapor Klein: “Silicon Valley’s obsession with meritocracy is delusional…Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race, there has to be some systemic explanation for what these numbers look like.”

Gee, be nice if someone actually had posited such a fact. I’m sure they would be heralded as scientific heroes and invited into all the nicest homes if they ever came close to proving it!

BTW, read the early history of Lotus. It is almost entirely a history of a business run by white Jews. Mitch Kapor couldn’t find more People of Vibrancy in his neck of the woods to help get the show going, and then he goes off and marries another Jew?

I mean, selected at random, what are the odds Mitch would marry another Jew rather than, say, Lotus’s black cleaning lady?

I believe the earliest reference to written examinations in China dates to 143 BC but they probably go back much further. The alternative to the examination system was to appoint members of the aristocracy to governmental positions. But such individuals often had independent power bases outside the capital and their complete loyalty to the Emperor might be suspect. Someone who rose up from the periphery through the exam system to become a top bureaucrat would probably be quite loyal to the Emperor.

I recall reading somewhere in a book on Chinese history of a top official at one of the Imperial Courts who was ethnically Russian but had aced the exams. He probably was quite trusted by the Emperor since he probably had few kith or kin in the capital city and so there was little likelihood in his becoming involved in plots against the Emperor.

“Jim Parsons is currently starring in a commerical where he has to go to the DMV. Any guesses as to the race and gender of the worker?”

Funny thing is that even on BBT almost every bureaucrat of any type is black. One more reason to love the show.

Well I have a good answer for you. I know a black man who is a genius and an exceptional coder. He likes coding but would probably not like being a lawyer or a wall street goon. Fortunately for his bank account, he successfully founded a company and is paper rich.

Granted for a black man with good intelligence but no creative or entrepreneurial genius you’re probably right.

But are finance and law really that diverse? They may still be too meritocratic.

In my experience the most lucrative career for the intelligent black man is just to ride the diversity train up the corporate ladder at a fortune 500 company. There’s a lot of soft meat in the bureaucracy of the still profitable franchises of past decades.

I used to work at one such huge corporation, and there were a couple of nice clean cut black men who were in their 30s and probably 110-120 IQ. They were already high earning VPs and I’m sure if they played it right could have been the next Fortune 500 black CEOs.

In principle they will hire anyone who can write solid code. In practice you need to get through the interview. I don’t know about the transexual pygmies but I have at least anecdotal evidence that once you hit 40, it’s tough to get hired by a startup. I’ve experienced it. I also have a friend who was in one of the early Y-combinator classes and recently (early 40s now) had a devil of a time getting a programming job in a silicon valley startup. He prefers the work environment. He works in the current technologies. He has demonstrated entrepreneurial ability and initiative (more important in some ways than programing ability). He doesn’t have a family to compete for his attention.

But startup programmers are supposed to be in their 20s. He also suspects that some of the younguns wouldn’t feel comfortable bossing around a geezer.

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I sent this to the Kantor site:

Joe Nocera wrote that you believe that intelligence is evenly distributed across genders and race.

There is a veritable mountain of evidence proving, for example, that Caucasion IQ is 15 points higher than Blacks’. On every test of mental ability, Blacks score at the bottom. Equality of any sort is not the default position in our species. And how could it be? If so this would confound the basic principles of Darwin evolution. Since races evolved over millions of years in widely different environments , they cannot be “equal.”

Nor did males and females evolve to be “equal.” Males mature more slowly than females — which is an advantage. The have an average IQ 4 points higher than females’.

Below is an article by a reputable scholar, now deceased, from the “Daily Mail” [UK]. I could easily cite other studies which prove the same point.

Men Are More Intelligent Than Women, Claims New Study
Ben Clerkin & Fiona Macrae, September 14, 2006

It is research that is guaranteed to delight men—and infuriate the women in their lives. A controversial new study has claimed that men really are more intelligent than women.

The study—carried out by a man—concluded that men’s IQs are almost four points higher than women’s.

British-born researcher John Philippe Rushton, who previously created a furore by suggesting intelligence is influenced by race, says the finding could explain why so few women make it to the top in the workplace.

He claims the ‘glass ceiling’ phenomenon is probably due to inferior intelligence, rather than discrimination or lack of opportunity.

The University of Western Ontario psychologist reached his conclusion after scrutinising the results of university aptitude tests taken by 100,000 students aged 17 and 18 of both sexes.

A focus on a factors such as the ability to quickly grasp a complex concept, verbal reasoning skills and creativity—some of they key ingredients of intelligence—revealed the male teenagers had IQs that were an average of 3.63 points higher. The average person has an IQ of around 100.

The findings, which held true for all classes and levels of parental education, overturn a 100 year consensus that men and women average the same in general mental ability. They also conflict with evidence that girls do better in school exams than boys.

“Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race, there has to be some systemic explanation for what these numbers look like.”

They can’t honestly talk about IQ because then the intra-asian disparity would show that people from India are being favored over people from China in places like Silicon Valley. Now, one might explain this away by pointing to two realities: 1) English is an official language in India and 2) the caste system in India has resulted in an affirmative action “Brahman flight” to the west. But even so — to cause people to have to think intra-Asian differences takes them one step further from “blame whitey” and is therefore beyond the “pale”.

The “cognitive elite” aren’t any more politically monolithic than any other educated elite group. Like turtles supporting the world, it’s “Yankee-Cowboy War”* all the way down, (or up in this case.)

*Carl Oglesby, 1977 Berkley Publishing Group

David H. Hannson, creator of the Rails framework for Ruby, is another programmer who got here on an 0-1 visa (from Denmark).

Or go into the business side of Silicon Valley, like Tristan Walker: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/12/23/tristan-walker-smarter-faster-more-colorful/20647441/

The mean level of intelligence, and of various aspects of intelligence, is not the same in the two sexes, but the differences do not really manifest themselves until after age 16 (because girls tend to mature faster). On the Progressive Matrices, Lynn and Irwin found a definite advantage for males after age 16. The Wechsler’s is a more verbally-oriented test; on the Wechsler’s the means are close together. Women perform better on average on tests of perception and psychomotor skills; if these test components are removed, men tend to outperform women. Adjusted for body size, average brain size is greater for men.

Considering score variance as well as mean, one can see why Ivy League professors of math and physics tend to be men. An additional consideration is whether women are as genetically inclined to WANT to be programmers or abstract scientists.

Argh, that was unclear writing on my part.

There is a kind of diversity that is politically valued in the US, for historical reasons (discrimination in the past) and based on how voting blocs line up. That comes down to demanding jobs for blacks and Hispanics, and also to demanding more good jobs for women.

SV has a lot of diversity, but almost none is the right kind to fit with what is politically valued.

I suspect now that we have a majority of narrative believers in government jobs that make use of touchy-feely skills

That might be true of government jobs in, say, Vermont. The federal government and most state governments have very integrated workplaces, the product of forty years of AA. Everybody notices who performs better and who performs worse. Nobody is as stupid as you are making out. Multiculti true believers are cocooned suburban white people only.

You don’t honestly think that social workers in NYC believe multiculti bullshit, do you? The more retarded ones often believe a modified version which goes “blacks are savages because white people oppress them” but they don’t believe whites and blacks are the same—they *do* believe that blacks are savages and whites are not.

“The surprise is not that Pakistanis or Chinese who come to the US often prefer to hire other Pakistanis or Chinese. The surprise would be if that *didn’t* happen.”

Right. But it’s why we shouldn’t be so eager to let in Pakistanis, Chinese, Indians, and Koreans. Hell, throw in Russians.

“Russians” are very cliquish. I don’t notice that Russians are cliquish at all though. They seem to assimilate to generic whiteness very quickly.

There are also differences in average interests. Suppose it takes comparable intelligence and work ethic to get an MD or an MS in EE. Differences in interests could lead to more women in medicine and more men in engineering, even with the same fraction of women and men able to do either.

“The same reason Jews are probably also over represented.”

In the coding bowls of Silicon Valley, a lot of the coding cubes have been replaced by “open tables”, with coders sitting side-by-side. It can be fairly effective and it keeps floorspace cost down.

There are a lot fewer Jews (and whites) around coding in these places, the big ones with names that you’d all recognize, than you might suspect. In some of these places it’s >95% Indians or Chinese, depending. Most of the whites still around are of the “old and gold” variety, because they have some arcane knowledge that’s hard to obtain.

Maybe about 15-20(?) years ago a lot of the technical middle managers, the guys that actually run engineering teams, started hiring and building out their teams. In a surprising short time they were hiring all co-ethnics from back in the old country. I don’t think it was all calculated. They literally had trouble hiring American workers, to an extent that HR departments and diversity folks don’t want to acknowledge. I think a lot of American programmers originally just didn’t want to work for someone who was so little acculturated to the US. Why work for someone you have trouble communicating with? So these managers turned to their “old boy” networks, who were filled with people in India and China desperate to immigrate to the US and willing to do almost anything to do so. Top schools in India (IITs, etc.) were very soon placing something like >95% of their CS graduates oversees, probably the majority in the US.

I have been sitting around staff meeting with Indian VPs of US SV multinationals and listened to people complaining that they “can’t find anyone to hire” because they “have a reputation.” They are right. American programmers know the situation well. The Indian VP will say “you’ll figure something out”, which is code for figuring out a way to bring in more H1-Bs (and their families) from the old sod. These families soon have kids (US citizens) and grandmas in tow.

These folks are by-and-large, just typical programmers. Some good, some bad, most somewhere in the middle. As a group, they are employed because the keep costs down (as has been pointed out, a lot of this is because the constant over-supply (based on economic advantages of having US citizenship) enables Silicon Valley companies to engage in systemic, but informal, age discrimination. It’s just a beneficial indirect outcome of the process to these companies.

This weird situation, of hiring mostly programmers and engineers that take off a month each year to go half-way around the world to go back home (to do things like get their families to know their extended families) must be starting to have an effect on the boards of a lot of these large public companies (or at least the income of the companies the boards are managing), because you are starting to see more memos about “increasing diversity” (which I take to now mean hiring non-Indians and non-Chinese) and requiring hires to be approved at the top of business units with respect to diversity. Given the near 100% non-white state of the teams, this “diversity” cannot mean more anti-white hiring. It’s people getting worried about competitiveness against small ankle-biter size companies (often staffed by American programmers) that are capable of moving more rapidly.

You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, Sir!

It’s amazing how fast history gets rewritten. As one of the founders of Visicalc once said ( I think it was Bricklin)- “The only thing between us and the success of Lotus was a patent” (paraphrasing). At the time, a judge had ruled that software could not be copyrighted. ( This was over the JS&A case of copying a chess game- remember the cover of 80-micro with a judge on it?) Basically, MANY companies got VERY RICH through intellectual theft. Remember CP/M and Digital Research? (which looked an awful lot like RSTS/11 for the DEC PDP11 series, btw). Basically Microsoft purchased for $50,000 (IIRC) a CP/M clone for 8086 architecture which copied the “look and feel” of CP/M 2.1 and rebranded it as DOS 1.0. They retained the right to sell it to other vendors, which made Microsoft very, very rich. If the same laws had been applied to operating systems, Microsoft would be a footnote in history today.

Of course, when other tried to do similar things to the thieving companies, they lawyered up. Remember “The Twin”? It was a Lotus 1-2-3 clone for $99. It used completely different code, but the same multi-key commands and interface. Lotus successfully sued them out of business. Shortly afterwards, the same issues arose in BIOS chips for PC’s. For some reason (a lawsuit I missed?) this was overlooked and allowed to continue, leading to hundreds of PC Clone manufacturers.

Remember the days of using Flight Simulator as a benchmark of system compatibility?

Heck, remember why EBCIDIC was invented? To maintain an IBM monopoly.

Someone should really write a true history of Silicon Valley.

Yeah, I don’t buy the notion that the Asians in SV are all there by “merit”. Many of them are there because some of them got in by merit and then used their position to bring in as many of their countrymen as possible.

Their presence in this country is the result of affirmative action, so it’s hard to say that their presence in Silicon Valley businesses is due to merit.

You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, Sir!

It’s amazing how fast history gets rewritten. As one of the founders of Visicalc once said ( I think it was Bricklin)- “The only thing between us and the success of Lotus was a patent” (paraphrasing). At the time, a judge had ruled that software could not be copyrighted. ( This was over the JS&A case of copying a chess game- remember the cover of 80-micro with a judge on it?) Basically, MANY companies got VERY RICH through intellectual theft. Remember CP/M and Digital Research? (which looked an awful lot like RSTS/11 for the DEC PDP11 series, btw). Basically Microsoft purchased for $50,000 (IIRC) a CP/M clone for 8086 architecture which copied the “look and feel” of CP/M 2.1 and rebranded it as DOS 1.0. They retained the right to sell it to other vendors, which made Microsoft very, very rich. If the same laws had been applied to operating systems, Microsoft would be a footnote in history today.

Of course, when other tried to do similar things to the thieving companies, they lawyered up. Remember “The Twin”? It was a Lotus 1-2-3 clone for $99. It used completely different code, but the same multi-key commands and interface. Lotus successfully sued them out of business. Shortly afterwards, the same issues arose in BIOS chips for PC’s. For some reason (a lawsuit I missed?) this was overlooked and allowed to continue, leading to hundreds of PC Clone manufacturers.

Remember the days of using Flight Simulator as a benchmark of system compatibility?

Heck, remember why EBCIDIC was invented? To maintain an IBM monopoly.

Someone should really write a true history of Silicon Valley.

79 – FWIW

When I said that these companies’ nontechnical staff don’t need to be geniuses, I wasn’t being sarcastic or implying they don’t have to be very smart and competent.

My point was that these companies have thousands of jobs that millions of Americans could do for them, not just a tiny elite group.

I wonder how many hire their own benefits people, their own mail room and photocopying staff, etc. or if they have outsourced these functions to other companies. How about the millions of display ads that Google places in websites around the world. Who does them? I would not be surprised to learn that 0% of Google’s staff are website ad designers — that when an ad has to be creaed they contract it out to somebody or some groups of agencies somewhere, probably not in the US.

I am completely fed up with companies who make their money from Americans but don’t want to hire them or don’t want to hire them at a fair wage for the number of hours worked or don’t want to hire them if they don’t have some special connection.

This reminds me of my point on why there are so few black teachers. It is because blacks who are smart and ambitious enough to become teachers get better jobs than that.

Huh? There might be few black male teachers, but every urban school district is over-flowing with black female teachers, principals, and administrators. (Hundreds of them in Atlanta, Columbus, DC, and elsewhere have gone to jail for cheating on credentialing tests and cheating on students’ SATs.)

In the late ’90s, it seemed like every black female at the University of Florida was an Education major.

And it doesn’t take much smarts to complete an Education degree. Education majors have the lowest SAT and GRE scores.

Sun Microsystems, I’m told was the poster boy for that. The company was once the primary vendor of high powered workstations, but consistently went for mediocrity vs. quality and eventually were replaced by PCs running Linux.

I was always under the impression that Sun drove away customers by being too expensive in support contracts. Now, I’m guessing that Oracle has bought Sun there won’t be much new investment in Sun Hardware or Solaris, with Oracle pushing its own brand of Linux instead.

Its about cheap programmers. Thats what the employers want. And if there weren’t so many foreign college stem students in the US, there would be more american programmers.

You can’t add quota cases to elite coding and technical teams without the quota case exposed. The person’s limitations would be obvious to the other members of the team. I write as a person not qualified to work on such teams myself.

That’s correct. Affirmative action just doesn’t work in technical jobs within cutting edge companies.

Blacks in IT jobs tend to gravitate towards less demanding jobs working for the State or for a large government outsourcer. All across the board, blacks need to be in “big team” oriented jobs where lots of people also fill that same role – i.e. the Post Office, DMV, etc.

Its about cheap programmers. Thats what the employers want. And if there weren’t so many foreign college stem students in the US, there would be more american programmers.

You must not know many asians. Clannishness, family connections xenophobia are far bigger factors than job qualifications.

Indeed, i’m a real socialist, this people is cleptocrats.

Excessive and disproportionate Multiculturalism was made to kill or eliminate only populations who can revolt against super-dictatorship of artificial happiness with vices and servitude. ”They” LUV ”black” people because they are perfect to be new slaves, with very different and archaic appearance, visible social markers between ”zelites” and ”subordinates”.

My God, I hope Jesse Blackholeofstupid kills Silicon Valley with dieversity. With Hollyweird turning characters like The Equalizer, Annie and James Bond black, they’re already dead. Without computer nerd money the Democratic Party is going to die in 15 minutes.
Just imagine Hillary and the fake Indian Princess in 2016 asking, “Do you want fries with that?” through a window at Clownburger. Civil Rights for blacks is the albatross that sank Socialism!

“Yeah, I don’t buy the notion that the Asians in SV are all there by “merit”. Many of them are there because some of them got in by merit and then used their position to bring in as many of their countrymen as possible.”

It could be either that or it could be that Asians are over represented because they are on average more intelligent than white people. The same reason Jews are probably also over represented.

Jews are overrepresented mostly because of their loyalty to their fellow ethnics, not because of their intelligence.The same is true of Asians. To the extent the above is not the case they are overrepresented because non-Jews (and non-Asians) just assume that the Jewish (or Asian) guy will be a better employee and hire him over the equally intelligent (or more highly intelligent) white guy.

You mean I can ask for a double premium?

As a white guy who has hard-to-find skills?

However, I have noticed that I am contacted often by recruiters these days.

“Jim Parsons is currently starring in a commerical where he has to go to the DMV. Any guesses as to the race and gender of the worker?”

I live in San Francisco which is nowhere near being a Chocolate city in terms of racial demographics, yet even here a high percentage of DMV workers are Black females. I am thinking, are most of these Blacks female San Francisco DMV employees commuting here from Oakland ?

Silicon Valley programmers generally travel in groups of five, and they trade guys until they have the right group:

Silicon Valley is hubris central. They need a Greek smackdown. If Jessie’s the man to deliver it, so be it.

The cast of the HBO show Silicon Valley is extremely non diverse by 2014 standards because they only have 1 token Pakistani guy and the rest of the cast is White.

If this was 1974, a television show with 1 token Pakistani guy would have been considered extremely diverse. Remember that The Brady Bunch was still airing news episodes in 1974 and The Brady Bunch had zero token Nonwhite characters.

Isn’t the casting of Silicon Valley violating some type of hate crime law ? Forget where is the beef, WHERE IS THE CHOCOLATE HUH HBO’S SILICON VALLEY ?

I agree with this observation. Man, the treatment I used to get at P.O. in the 80s. Still irked by that.

My mailman is a terrific guy. And my P.O. is outstanding, in spite of the Byzantine rules.
He said he was a former high level manager in finance who got laid off. If the P.O. is filled with former finance professionals due to workforce downshifting, you’d expect much better customer relations, though. Is it good for America? Don’t know.

You can’t add quota cases to elite coding and technical teams without the quota case exposed.

You can’t add quota cases to anything without the quota case being exposed.

http://www.examiner.com/article/we-re-number-three-florida-officially-becomes-third-largest-state-u-s

“You can’t add quota cases to anything without the quota case being exposed.

http://www.examiner.com/article/we-re-number-three-florida-officially-becomes-third-largest-state-u-s”

Florida tops the state of New York in terms of population, but the financial capital of the world will forever remain the state that has the city with these little town blues that are melting away as Frank Sinatra once said.

Right. Kristof implies that the top black computer science talent can’t afford to go to Stanford or Harvard but instead goes to … Clemson. In reality, Stanford and Harvard, with their vast endowments, are most likely to win the bidding wars for the smartest blacks.

But why go into programming when you can go into finance or law or something like that?

The smartest Black guy I’ve met recently in Dallas has engineering degrees from Purdue and Georgia Tech (schools that would have accepted him if he’d been White). But, yeah, he’s in finance.

The way filmmaking is structured is part of the “problem,” presenting a constantly-moving target. Essentially, a new company is formed to make every movie. And disbanded after production is complete. By the time the diversity sloth comes around, the company is gone. The companies in the business of forming and managing these production companies can keep their operations fairly lean, and bring in however much diversity camouflage they need, which doesn’t have to be a lot in a lean operation.

“Unless someone wants to posit that intelligence is not evenly distributed across genders and race, there has to be some systemic explanation for what these numbers look like.”

Man, there are so many correct translations that I could provide for that. It’s a naked intimidation tactic. A dare. It’s like she’s gloating.

What conspiracy is causing Asian men to do so well out in SV?

How long before they start answering by explaining that Asians are obsequious toadies to White Supremacy, or something?

White privilege, but it has opposite affect on Asians. Remember good or bad, it’s always white men’s fault.

Wow, that’s really good. Much better than mine. Puts the blame where it belongs.

Kapor Klein’s quip is too eloquent to be a one off, throwaway line.

That’s my impression, too.

And that’s where the beautiful Mrs. Kapor Klein comes in to laugh in the face of reality and experience for a price.

What happens when someone at the company goes to one of these events, stands next to Mrs. Kapor Klein, sniffs, and announces very, very loudly, “I SMELL RACIST!”? “No, I have no real proof. Just some odd things she says. An odd smell. A nasty, racist smell. I want a real diversity maven, not some racist-smelling fake. Can we get a real anti-racist in here, please? This one smells funny. And fake.” Maybe throw in something about stale pale females, since she’s Jewish and will either have to suck it up or do a Mike Wallace.

No, she said it that way because she knows no one will dare say it’s true.

It’s either a misstep, or a gloat/dare/wink/etc. It’s like mentioning Kryptonite every time you talk to Superman. Even if done in a “nice” way.

One big difference between Chinese and Japanese history was the Mongol invasion. This is also a big difference between the history of Western Europe and much of the rest of the civilized Old World (excepting Japan, North Africa, and Southeast Asia). Perhaps the rise of the West owes a lot to the devastation the Mongols inflicted on much of the rest of Eurasia.

The biggest difference between China and Japan is size. It’s much easier to consolidate a country the size of Japan than one the size of China. China has to spend more time and energy keeping itself whole. Europe (or western Europe) could have spend as much time and energy it wanted on making itself into a single, massive state, and still failed. China would probably have done better as at least two states, north and south. It would have allowed for a lot more competition.

I mean, selected at random, what are the odds Mitch would marry another Jew rather than, say, Lotus’s black cleaning lady?

I was just looking at the Wikipedia page for Gotham yesterday. My Jewdar went off when I saw the kid playing Bruce Wayne, and sure enough, his parents are both Sephardic Jews. Daddy is a Sephardic Jew from Tunisia, and mommy is a Sephardic Jew from America by way of Greece. My goodness, I thought, what are the odds? Quite the coincidence, especially given the fact that 99.999999% of Jews marry non-Jews, or whatever the number is now. The word “astronomical” comes to mind.

“Russians” are very cliquish. I don’t notice that Russians are cliquish at all though. They seem to assimilate to generic whiteness very quickly.

That’s an “ANTI-SEMITIC!!!” slur. You can’t get more diverse than marriage between a Tunisian and a Greek.

African-Americans got into airport work a long time ago: being a skycap, for example, is an offshoot of being a Pullman porter.

Right. Presumably, they were named after the Redcaps, who were porters at train stations.

“You must not know many asians. Clannishness, family connections xenophobia are far bigger factors than job qualifications.”

Just examine the nightlife: you almost never see an Indian out with a group of people that isn’t entirely comprised of other Indians. One of the most clannish groups you will ever meet. Think that has ramifications in the job market?

Merely a smoke screen and a mere pittance in comparison.
‘Throw the schmucks a bone so they leave us alone.’

I had a great experience recently with a quick and competent black woman at a DMV office in Marin.

Really, the bold ignorance and stupidity of liberals is breathtaking. I can hear it now; “unless someone wants to posit that protons and neutrons are not evenly distributed across atoms….”

“Huh? There might be few black male teachers, but every urban school district is over-flowing with black female teachers, principals, and administrators. ”

Black teachers are underrepresented in pretty much every state except Alabama, which has a very easy credential test. At no point are school districts overflowing with blacks.

“(Hundreds of them in Atlanta, Columbus, DC, and elsewhere have gone to jail for cheating on credentialing tests and cheating on students’ SATs.)”

None of them have gone to jail. The only place a few–not hundreds–are on trial is in Atlanta, but not for cheating on credential tests or cheating on student SATs. There isn’t a single example of teachers cheating on students’ SAT scores. The major cheating scandals on SATs involve Asians, not blacks. While a few black people have gone to jail for fraud on credential tests, the ones that went to jail are the ones who *passed* the credential tests.

And of course, the fact that many of them have to pay to pass the credential test would provide a clue to the less than painfully gormless. The credential tests are the reason there aren’t many black teachers.

“In the late ’90s, it seemed like every black female at the University of Florida was an Education major.”

Which means nothing, because beginning in the late 90s, they had to pass a credential test to teach in elementary school. They’ve always had to pass credential tests for high school, where blacks have always been underrepresented.

“And it doesn’t take much smarts to complete an Education degree. Education majors have the lowest SAT and GRE scores.”

Actually, since the aforementioned late 90s, it takes a fair amount of smarts to COMPLETE an education major, since you have to pass the credential tests to get the BA, and the credential tests fail a huge number of black candidates. Then there’s the pesky fact that many high school teachers don’t have education degrees, so the SAT and GRE scores of ed majors don’t tell you a thing.

Might want to stop embarrassing yourself by pretending you know anything about teacher demographics or cognitive requirements.

Cite: https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2014/09/21/the-available-pool/

White, white, white… blah blah blah.

Seriously! Sailer thinks that there is something Special and Creative about Whitey, the world’s only moonable man.

However all the institutions that make Whitey Special and Creative have substantial, if not dominant, Indian and Asian presences, from NASA to Google. Google’s brain trust is heavily Indian, from Sundar Pichai, the guy who runs Android, to their current head of Search (yes, Search), Amit Singhal, who comes from a small, crappy town in North India.

Replacement is on!

That’s generally the case with most groups. Most white clubbers and bar hoppers are usually in groups of whites.

I imagine the average Indian is more likely to have a more diverse circle of friends and acquaintances (mainly Asians and whites) than the average white simply because Indians tend to be in relatively more diverse school and work environments.

- I wasn’t referring to Florida itself; I meant the number of grammatical errors made by the author of the article.

Sub Saharan Africa would have their own version of Silicon Valley but they don’t.

Sub Saharan Africa would have their own version of Civilization but they don’t.

Google is a marketing firm, not a high-tech company.

White men with slide rules and computers with 16k of memory managed to put a man on the moon and build a nuclear bomb. Along with a host of other amazing inventions.

Meanwhile, Brown people with PhDs in engineering from Stanford manage to invent the USB port or write an app to help some teenage girl find her car in a parking lot.

The quality of STEM is orders of magnitude worse today than in the past, with all of these foreighners simply recycling old invention built by Whites.

Anyone remember ARPAnet?