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From my new column in Taki’s Magazine:

The President’s Prejudices

Why do the human sciences record pervasive behavioral differences among racial groups, such as in violent-crime rates?

One explanation is that these disparities originate in complex interactions between nature and nurture.

But, of course, only dangerous extremists hold that theory.

The much more respectable sentiment is that statistical differences among the races are the fault of bad white people, such as George Zimmerman and Minnesota policeman Jeronimo Yanez.

Read the whole thing there.

 
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  1. Why is there no Black Lives Matter in Nigeria to combat Boko Haram? The Black Muslim terrorist organization Boko Haram has murdered way more Black people than White American police officers ever have.

  2. The experiment has failed. You elect a black activist, you reward him for remaining a black activist, he does not miraculously turn into a President when you need one.

  3. From the headline picture: is it just me or do Nicole Brown Simpson and Megyn Kelly look like they were separated at birth?

    • Replies: @L Woods
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Very mannish, both of them.

    , @John Derbyshire
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    High T. Look at jawbones.

    , @metoo
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Nicole Brown Simpson was separated at the neck.

    , @Marty
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    No resemblance. If Megyn Kelly had long hair no man could resist her.

    Replies: @BB753

  4. http://takimag.com/article/the_presidents_prejudices_steve_sailer/print#ixzz4EHhGITsL
    “Perhaps blacks get in trouble with the law more than do whites (much less East Asians) for reasons similar to why they do so well in sports and entertainment”
    maybe one cold add success on the partner market for males to the list. So sports, entertainment and the partner market.

  5. But you can’t even hint a these truths unless you are a very very bad person. Here in NYC, Rudy Giuliani is being excoriated for vaguely similar things in a diluted fashion. The gist of the attack on him is not that what he said on Sunday talk shows is untrue, but that he is very, very bad for saying them.

    And insensitive, too. Did I mention insensitive? He doesn’t seem to know that speaking the truth may cause blacks to kill whites, or vice-versa, or something.

    The soon-to-be-departed Daily News put a picture of a black female toddler on its front page Monday, with a rhetorical question to Rudy asking whether she was a killer too. This is what passes for journalism is our sensitive, enlightened age.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @I, Libertine

    A big boost to NYC street criminals is coming! NYPD is going to implement much of the BLM anti police agenda. It is kind of like Miranda warnings on steroids.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/nyregion/new-york-city-council-will-not-vote-on-police-reform-measures.html

    Hopefully we can get the inevitable spike in crime before the election. Got to love the part about policing passing out business cards to the thugs Rudy's NYPD would be roughing up.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @e
    @I, Libertine

    There are few blacks that don't know the truth--that there are a high percentage among them of NATURALLY aggressive, violent people. They also understand that they CAN play the "slavery is what continues to make us less successful and prone to economic failure" because whites and college profs ALLOW them to play the card as if it were the ace of spades, no pun intended.

    No one has made the articulate case PUBLICLY that other impoverished groups, even those facing bigotry from day one of their being here, are not violent nor impoverished any longer.

    They need to. Then, when blacks respond with all their silly arguments, that brave person has to respond with only, "Baloney, no one actually buys that and if they tell you they do, they're lying for their own personal gain."

  6. Well done Steve. I like the mention of no white cornerbacks since Sehorn retired in 2004. However, how many years do you have to go back before Sehorn to find a white starting cornerback? I think the last was Roger Wehrli who last started in 1980. That’s amazing.

    • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Danindc

    As a Redskins fan, I remember Brian Davis. He was the last player to tackle Walter Payton and intercepted John Elway in Super Bowl 22.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviBr21.htm

    Replies: @Danindc

    , @PV van der Byl
    @Danindc

    After Wehrli, the last white starting CB may have been Scott Perry. He started for the Bengals for four years and the 49ers for one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Perry_(American_football)

    Replies: @Danindc

    , @Brutusale
    @Danindc

    Julian Edelman played some corner for the Patriots a few years ago when they had a string of injuries in the D-backfield.

  7. One of the GOATs.

  8. We need a hatefact spreadsheet with entries of every recent, ostensibly unwarranted police killing of criminal blacks that is featured nationally by the media – Walter Scott in SC, Trayvon Martin in FL, Freddie in Baltimore, Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, etc.

    Column titles: Name and location, why cop intervened, criminal’s rap sheet, facts of fatal incident, “facts” reported by media (with links), number of hours of news coverage, narrative and inflammatory statements in response to fatal incident from politicians and community leaders (with links), aggravating circumstances of the black criminal as revealed by investigation (with links), mitigating circumstances of the cop as revealed by investigation, legal verdict, community reaction to verdict, and so on.

    Every “outrage” can be dismantled in an organized, fact-checked, easily accessible manner.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @mack

    What you are describing is the kind of thing intelligent citizens do intuitively. We don't need someone's spreadsheet to show us the obvious, but lesser minds do.

    Let someone with time on his hands do it. The only people who will pay attention will be those of us who already have figured things out. Others, for whom the truth is inconvenient, will suppress or ignore it; while those who listen to them will not understand it.

    Such is the nature of our world.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    , @Anonymous
    @mack

    "Every “outrage” can be dismantled in an organized, fact-checked, easily accessible manner."

    I've been thinking this. It can be difficult to remember incidents and their details. A methodical way to track these type of outrages and others would be very helpful, so that facts can easily be accessed when needed.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @mack

    Ann Coulter did something like this for the Rodney King arrest and media-provoked riot, as well as several other incidents, in Mugged, but without the spreadsheet format.

  9. Your president doesn’t give a millimetre of shitabout your snippy blog title. Your people are being overrun! What are you going to do about about it? Write another sarcastic blog post?!!!

  10. No matter how much you refuse to post my posts let’s face it; you know I’m right. Race war is here. Jews brought it on. And you remain their greatest friend.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Pat Hannagan

    Meds!! Take your meds!!

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Pat Hannagan

    , @MEH 0910
    @Pat Hannagan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATIivN4tKYQ

    , @Pat Casey
    @Pat Hannagan

    Rhyming rats to death are we. Thank God for the race and the sod, Pat. The USA is frightening and hysterical at the same time, and long lost to the alien race. Not worth it no more. Stay Irish. Own a real tradition. "White People" are what the alien race say they are. No soul to save. And if you haven't, watch One Million Dubliners just as soon as you can.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    , @Jack D
    @Pat Hannagan

    Yes, Jews just love race wars. The last one worked out so well for them.

    Replies: @SFG

  11. There has been a consistent battle of blacks and their SJW against white people for a very long time way before anyone in the white world noticed. This was based to a large degree on the idea that people from N. Africa have a certain kind of trait–assumed superiority that is unearned.

  12. “In other words, young black males are about 27 times more likely to kill somebody than the average American.”

    The problem with this statistic – and you’re a far better numbers guy than I – is that the murder rates for the “average American” include the murders committed by young black men. A more accurate ratio is one that compares murders committed by young black men to those committed by all others. (27%/1%) divided by (73%/99%).

    The ratio ends up being about 36.6 to 1.

    • Replies: @JohnnyGeo
    @Wilkey

    Better still would be to compare young black men to young non-black men.

    I was actually expecting Steve to make that comparison as I read this passage:


    One reason young black males are disproportionately homicidal is that they are young (homicide rates are highest among 18- to 24-year-olds). Another factor is that they are male

     

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Hippopotamusdrome

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    A more accurate ratio is one that compares murders committed by young black men to those committed by all others. (27%/1%) divided by (73%/99%).

    The ratio ends up being about 36.6 to 1.
     
    That seems reasonably accurate and about what one's perception is. And totally legitimate if discussing the "why i don't want to be around young black males".

    But i think it's kind of a crappy statistic--veers into the statistically territory usually inhabited by leftists if we're really focusing on the racial angle--blacks vs. whites. Afterall a big part of that skew is simply "young males". And young males are the troublemakers white or blacks.

    To tease out just the racial skew, i think you can get a back-of-the-envelope from the state data:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

    At the top you have a rural whitetopia--but well armed--state New Hampshire at 1/100,ooo. The worst white state is Wild Wonderful West Virginia at 4.
    Near the bottom you have predominantly rural Mississippi--the blackest (37%) state, at 9. Even attributing to Mississippi whites the wildness of West Virginia's hillbillies and doing the racial proportion math, Mississippi's blacks have a rate of something like 18.

    So my rough take comparing these three fairly rural states:
    New Englandish "good whites" ~ 1\100k
    Wild Scots-Irish hillbillies ~ 4\100k
    Southern blacks ~ 18\100k
    Or blacks roughly 18 times as murderous as good whites, four or five times wild whites. Probably nine or ten times average American white whites.

    And that's a) rural and b) with southern whites looking over their shoulder. The urban situation with ghettoization, inter-generational welfare will be worst. Detroit--pretty much all black, hence a pretty clean number of how blacks do in a black run urban environment funded by whites--gives you a number above 40.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2014)

    The take home is pretty clear. Blacks are *significantly* more dangerous--something nearing an order of magnitude--than whites. And young black males are just trouble by any standard. Folks' gut prejudices are well grounded in reality. Especially in this age of the Democrats' "leaders" amping up black grievance, white folks would be well advised to stay away from blacks as much as humanly possible.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

  13. How much does it cost for Ron to have you on the payroll? I bet it isn’t much.

    I reckon you go for less than $30K US per year

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @Pat Hannagan

    https://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/Pat+Hannagan/

    One of those days again, Pat?

    , @Anonym
    @Pat Hannagan

    This has only ever been SWPL Stormfront. If you want the real thing you know where to go.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  14. Meanwhile at Phillips Exeter:

    Chudi was a popular athlete, known for his wit and keen fashion sense, and for the bread he baked and sold around campus, a cinnamon-laced concoction known as monkey bread.

    Chukwudi “Chudi” Ikpeazu. How much wud could a Chukwudi chuk in Mos Eisley Cantina if Greedo shot first? Show your work.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    C'mon, man! He's a Muslim, she's an infidel woman, what's the problem here? Where is your respect for other cultures?

    , @Dissident
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?

    , @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    When the coalition of the fringes collide, stuff gonna happen. I'm not sure whom I have less sympathy for. Obviously, feeling up a girl's backside was wrong, but somehow she has been trained to consider this a life changing, triggering event and will not rest until Chudi's life is completely ruined. It seems to me that it would have been better for everyone if Chudi had just apologized and everyone moved on with their lives. Are we to believe that Michaella is such a precious virginal flower that no man has ever laid hands on her nether regions? Is she no longer a candidate for suitable marriage now that her melons have been tarnished? You have to let stuff like this go or it will consume you - society is doing this girl no favors by enabling her revenge fantasies.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  15. Recall also Obama dismisses fears about terrorism because being killed in a terrorist attack is statistically less likely than dying in a bathtub accident. That’s cold comfort for the people I know who died and who lost loves ones on 9/11. The 2 Catholic parishes I have lived in in Brooklyn and Rockaway had to stagger the funeral times for crowd control and to keep traffic flowing for months thereafter.For certain subsets of people (financial and emergency services workers in NYC) it wasn’t and still is not a remote possibility at all.

    But Obama doesn’t mention that statistically an innocent person is more likely to die from a shark attack than for some crazy rogue cop; even longer odds. But even if you break it down to African-Americans living in the inner city, the odds are still ridiculously low unless you involve yourself in criminality. In the one instance I can think of of an innocent black guy being shot to death by a cop, NYPD Officer Peter Liang shot Akai Gurley in a housing project stairwell mostly due to poor training and awful tactics rather than any intent. Liang in fact struck everyone involved as a man who never should have been a cop due to his meek demeanor and cowardice. But we need diversity uber alles, so to hell with screening out any minority candidate who might not be so suited. So much so the Brooklyn DA, Ken Thompson, a black guy , declined to ask for jail time even after a trial conviction. Note that Obama cites statistics that assume every cop shooting is necessarily unjustified when reality is a. it’s a very rare and less recurring thing than it was even 30 years ago and b. the overwhelming instances of cops shooting people were entirely justified.

    My hope; Trump makes Mike Brown Hillary’s true running mate.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Bugg

    "Recall also Obama dismisses fears about terrorism because being killed in a terrorist attack is statistically less likely than dying in a bathtub accident. That’s cold comfort for the people I know who died and who lost loves ones on 9/11. The 2 Catholic parishes I have lived in in Brooklyn and Rockaway had to stagger the funeral times for crowd control and to keep traffic flowing for months thereafter.For certain subsets of people (financial and emergency services workers in NYC) it wasn’t and still is not a remote possibility at all.

    But Obama doesn’t mention that statistically an innocent person is more likely to die from a shark attack than for some crazy rogue cop; even longer odds."

    Most people who died on 9/11 were not Black, so he is not as emotionally invested into that as he was with his thug strong arm robber son Michael Brown.

    Barack Hussein Obama sees himself as Black first and an American a very distant last.

  16. Suppose there are a bunch of violent Chechnyan mafioso in LA who have a history of shooting cops. And suppose Steve gets pulled over because the cop thought he looked like them. If he gets shot because the cop was on a hair-trigger, that’s gonna suck and Steve’s community will be massively pissed off at the cops. They wouldn’t care about the stats on Chechnyans gang members killing each other or the cops killed by Chechnyans because THEY’RE NOT F$&KING CHECHNYANS! And they would be deeply insulted if they were told that the way to avoid getting shot is to get Chechnyans to behave better.

    That’s roughly what happened to Philando Castile. A cop apparently couldn’t distinguish between the danger posed by a licensed-carry guy with a child in the back and an armed robbery suspect. And stats about the behavior of a completely distinct group of black people doesn’t make it OK.

  17. Giuliani and Sailer – two haters spewing hateful hatefacts. Someone needs to have a “conversation” with them about race.

    • Replies: @gda
    @Jack D

    "Hatefacts" = uncomfortable and inconvenient truths. Only "badwhites" use "hatefacts".

  18. Terrific column.

    The problem is — and this is no great revelation — no public figure, whether they be a politician, “celebrity” or “journalist”– is allowed to point out these staggering differences in criminality among black people as compared to whites and Asians. Rudy Guiliani “went there” last week and the New York Times accused him of peddling “myths.” That’s the word they used: “Myths.” Meaning they felt he was making stuff up, not just being impolite.

    Sure, one can point out high levels of crime in the “inner city,” but that’s about as far as one can go. And since we can’t blame the inhabitants of these “inner cities” we are left looking elsewhere, i.e. white people.

  19. Every religion has its myths, and for modern progressives the concept that white supremacy is all around constantly working against striving minorities who would otherwise be achieving (or overarchieving) the same life outcomes as whites.

    Thus the need for a powerful central government that stands ready to tilt the scales for favored classes.

    • Replies: @Olorin
    @Arclight


    a powerful central government that stands ready to tilt the scales for favored classes.
     
    Which as they say it, means one thing, but in fact parses as "a powerful central government that keeps creating what the private sector has not: well paying jobs with benefits and pensions, often for useless or redundant people with strange impractical college degrees."

    It's kind of the equivalent in the SJW religion of the Transubstantiation miracle in the Catholic mass. They know it will never let blacks achieve heaven or grace or utopia or whatever...but the important thing is to keep gulping the cracker...and staying on the good side of the powerful who run the parish, the diocese, and the whole faith. You'll probably fail to renew the dindu...but you'll at least be employed in the meantime, and able to take your kids to the doctor (or cats to the vet).

    (I could use another religion as the simile here, but Catholic is the religion I have the most experience living outside of and in utter gob-smacked confusion about. I don't mean any particular digs at yall Catlicks. At least not at the moment ;D )
  20. @Wilkey
    "In other words, young black males are about 27 times more likely to kill somebody than the average American."

    The problem with this statistic - and you're a far better numbers guy than I - is that the murder rates for the "average American" include the murders committed by young black men. A more accurate ratio is one that compares murders committed by young black men to those committed by all others. (27%/1%) divided by (73%/99%).

    The ratio ends up being about 36.6 to 1.

    Replies: @JohnnyGeo, @AnotherDad

    Better still would be to compare young black men to young non-black men.

    I was actually expecting Steve to make that comparison as I read this passage:

    One reason young black males are disproportionately homicidal is that they are young (homicide rates are highest among 18- to 24-year-olds). Another factor is that they are male

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @JohnnyGeo

    "Better still would be to compare young black men to young non-black men."

    It might be, but Steve was clearly trying to point out why young black men might be a particular nuisance. Pointing out that they are 37 times more likely to kill than any other group (including blacks you aren't young and/or male) is an especially poignant way to do that. The gap between them and young, non-black men would probably be less dramatic but still quite large.

    It's safe to say the difference in murder rates between whites in blacks is at least an order of magnitude, if not more. In past years my local newspaper has published lists of all the in-state murders for the year. Despite being over 85% non-Hispanic white, generally far less than half the murders are committed by whites, and generally around half are committed by Hispanics. Remove Hispanics (and Muslims like the Orlando killer) from the ranks of "white" murderers and you easily get a black/white murder rate disparity that exceeds a ratio of 10-to-1.

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @JohnnyGeo



    One reason young black males are disproportionately homicidal is that they are young (homicide rates are highest among 18- to 24-year-olds).

     

    US Age Distribution
    Race ---- % aged 18-20 -- relative to white rate
    White -- 3.9% -- +00%
    Black -- 5.0% -- +28%
    Hisp --- 5.0% -- +28%

    Black and Hispanic have about one quarter more young, not quite enough to "close the gap".
  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The general – and actually only real and meaningful – point to take from all this is that so-called ‘race relations’ between blacks and whites in the USA are no better, and likely even worse than they were 400 odd years ago (or thereabouts), when the very first cargo of ‘neger’ – that’s how they were described in the ship’s manifest – slaves was landed from that fateful Dutch ship at that fateful Virginia port.

    If ‘race relations’ haven’t improved in 400 years they are unlikely *ever* to improve.

    The lesson to those EU states yet to have mass immigration of black Africans imposed on them from ‘on high’ could not be starker.

    But, alas, rest assured, the leaders of those states will prove, inevitably, deaf, dumb and blind to stark,staring, raw, concrete reality.

    • Agree: Kylie
  22. How does this line up with your interpretation (prediction?) of Obama’s character in Half Blood Prince? Can’t remember exactly what you wrote.

  23. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Meanwhile at Phillips Exeter:

    Chudi was a popular athlete, known for his wit and keen fashion sense, and for the bread he baked and sold around campus, a cinnamon-laced concoction known as monkey bread.
     
    Chukwudi “Chudi” Ikpeazu. How much wud could a Chukwudi chuk in Mos Eisley Cantina if Greedo shot first? Show your work.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Dissident, @Jack D

    C’mon, man! He’s a Muslim, she’s an infidel woman, what’s the problem here? Where is your respect for other cultures?

  24. Why do the human sciences record pervasive behavioral differences among racial groups, such as in violent-crime rates?

    Well that’s wrong, straight off the bat.

    West African immigrants to the United States are well behaved and successful. The child of an African immigrant became the first black President, out of how many slave-descended blacks?

    Different crime rates have most likely nothing to do with biological destiny, and everything to do with culture. Of course we should test all hypotheses, but that’s the way the evidence points.

    We in the reality-based community needs to up our semantic game. You can’t have good arguments without accurate language. I suggest “SDBA” – Slave Descended Black American. You can make specific and accurate statements about the SDBA population. Generalize about all blacks and you’re on shaky ground.

    The new terminology also gives us the tools to distinguish blacks pretending to be SDBA for political reasons (Obama) from actual SDBA’s.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @frizzled

    Source?

    Replies: @frizzled

    , @Georg E
    @frizzled

    Um, West African immigrants are coming from the upper reaches of West African society, the so called Wa Benzi elite (like the daughter of the Nigerian consul at my high school who was as black as the night but as white as a clever Valley girl) and those not quite at that level with the ambition to become something more. Their US counterparts would be the "talented tenth". It is no surprise they exhibit different behavior. If we were to import en mass the Lagos slum-dwellers, I imagine we would see a similar criminality profile to "SDBAs". You must choose your control groups very carefully, even in the social sciences.

  25. We’ve got roughly a month and a half before school is back in session. And about two months before “beach” weather/hanging out outside weather goes away, barring an Elizabeth Warren summer (see what I did there?).

    The great Leftist religion dictates that it must apologize for every bad black action by blaming whitey. The president’s straining here bespeaks the fraying. Another two months of national black bad behavior will kill the Leftist narrative in all but True Believer’s minds.

    We already saw on CNN recently that some police are just not going to roll over and take the racism charge. They are fighting back with Stevish numbers: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/12/cnn_panel_devolves_into_shouting_when_blacklivesmatter_supporter_rejects_statistics_on_race_and_crime.html

    Local law enforcement may be the organized non-black group that can actually push back hard on the national “blame whitey” movement. Hollywood’s glamorization of cops might have backfired on them.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @whorefinder

    :Hollywood's glamorization of cops might have backfired on them"

    I was just thinking about that. How many films and TV series over the decades have been about Hero Cops?

  26. @JohnnyGeo
    @Wilkey

    Better still would be to compare young black men to young non-black men.

    I was actually expecting Steve to make that comparison as I read this passage:


    One reason young black males are disproportionately homicidal is that they are young (homicide rates are highest among 18- to 24-year-olds). Another factor is that they are male

     

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Hippopotamusdrome

    “Better still would be to compare young black men to young non-black men.”

    It might be, but Steve was clearly trying to point out why young black men might be a particular nuisance. Pointing out that they are 37 times more likely to kill than any other group (including blacks you aren’t young and/or male) is an especially poignant way to do that. The gap between them and young, non-black men would probably be less dramatic but still quite large.

    It’s safe to say the difference in murder rates between whites in blacks is at least an order of magnitude, if not more. In past years my local newspaper has published lists of all the in-state murders for the year. Despite being over 85% non-Hispanic white, generally far less than half the murders are committed by whites, and generally around half are committed by Hispanics. Remove Hispanics (and Muslims like the Orlando killer) from the ranks of “white” murderers and you easily get a black/white murder rate disparity that exceeds a ratio of 10-to-1.

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Wilkey

    Black and hispanic crime rates are underreported and perps are less likely to be caught, so even looking at murder arrestees understates the white NAM crime rate gap.

  27. Obama is careful not to directly address black violence or racism because he would be giving everyone else permission to openly discuss it and that would be the beginning of the end of white guilt reparations. If he cannot do it, Trump will. This could of been a unique opportunity for the first black President to go against his base to do something important for the country but he will go down instead of being nothing more than a partisan hack.

  28. Pat Casey says:

    Sorry Steve, these days you’re repeating yourself pretty egregiously. So much sarcasm should prick the conscience in these unsettling times. Something that spouts doesn’t often earn honest sentiment Joe Sobran would say. I know real black people and never would they ever even think to say the gang member was murdered by white racism. That’s what mascot blacks say because that’s what their Jew editors want. That’s what the Jews love to publish. For several decades now that’s been their bread and butter would you say? The white people who don’t think they’re white love to morally lord over white people insidiously. You take a moral position on the reporting of school shootings but up to the minute updates on this stuff. They had up a big happy mural up of that guys face less than twentyfour hours after he’d been shot four times with two police officers on top of him, reaching for his gun before they reached for his gun—think about that. Selling cds outside the seediest convenience store in the world. He probably had an IQ of 75. Had a gun cause hes got cash and said he had gun cause he was probably getting mocked. I see a headline that reads: “Was Alton Sterling killing justified? Depends what officers were thinking.” Sounds like a cruel joke.

  29. OT: Scott Adams goes full “talking-out-of-both-sides-of your-mouth” mode. In his blog yesterday, he said the following in his last two paragraphs:

    “You can blame Trump for Trump University, and for his uncivil language. You can blame Trump for lots of stuff. But the police shootings and the recent uptick in domestic racial violence are mostly Clinton’s doings to win the election. And it is working. Unless Trump finds a way to counter Clinton’s racial persuasion, he will lose in November.

    I expect Trump to go full-attack after the conventions. It would take the world’s greatest persuader to redefine Trump in a way that he can win the election. But as it turns out, Trump is probably the world’s greatest persuader. That’s why I predict he will win in a landslide. Unless someone kills him first.” http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147247313346/when-persuasion-turns-deadly

    As background, Scott Adams a few months back predicted that Trump would win in November by a hefty margin. (Note: I had predicted the same a few months earlier.) Then he backtracked about a month ago and predicted Hillary would definitely win. Now he seems to be hedging his bets, predicting that both will win. (I guess with the popularity of “Hamilton” on Broadway it makes sense to evoke the Jefferson-Burr incident of 1800.) In fairness to Scott Adams, he made it clear all along that he favored neither candidate and was merely discussing the political race in terms of “persuasion.” Nevertheless, his business apparently suffered big losses as people misinterpreted what he was saying (thinking he favored Trump) and boycotted his various ventures, such as speeches, and delivered death threats to him. Then, out of the blue, he announced he was “endorsing” Hillary for “safety’s sake” (noting that he lives in California), and, miraculously, the death threats stopped arriving. I thought all along that he had tossed in the towel too soon on his original Trump prediction.

  30. OT, but, as I’m sure others here are aware, Trump seems to be closing up the gap in the national polls, and may be leading by a bit in the battleground state polls.

    You may have thought that the left, and its MSM department, had gone insane.

    Hold on to your hats.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @candid_observer

    "OT, but, as I’m sure others here are aware, Trump seems to be closing up the gap in the national polls, and may be leading by a bit in the battleground state polls."

    Donald Trump is polling ahead of Hildabeast in Florida and Pennsylvania, which surprises me because both states have a large Puerto Rican and African American population. That means White support for Donald Trump in these two states must be HUGE.

  31. @Pat Hannagan
    How much does it cost for Ron to have you on the payroll? I bet it isn't much.

    I reckon you go for less than $30K US per year

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anonym

  32. @Hapalong Cassidy
    From the headline picture: is it just me or do Nicole Brown Simpson and Megyn Kelly look like they were separated at birth?

    Replies: @L Woods, @John Derbyshire, @metoo, @Marty

    Very mannish, both of them.

  33. Donald Trump described the killings by police in Minnesota and Louisiana as “a terrible, disgusting performance”.

    Just curious, why is he allowed to say that but Obama and Clinton aren’t? (not that they would ever use such language).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    Donald Trump described the killings by police in Minnesota and Louisiana as “a terrible, disgusting performance”.

    Just curious, why is he allowed to say that but Obama and Clinton aren’t? (not that they would ever use such language).


    I'm interested in hearing reactions to Trump's statement from other commenters and Steve himself. To my eyes, the Baton Rouge shooting appeared to be legally justified: man (6'4", 260 lbs) was reported to be threatening passersby with a handgun, he resisted police offers attempt to detain him, while struggling with the police on the ground his right arm appeared to reach toward his right pocket, from where a handgun was apparently retrieved after the shooting.

    Is there a real risk that Trump as president will want too much for everybody to like him?

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonymous

    Violence, even legitimate violence, is ugly and shocking to those not accustomed to it. This is not my own observation, but that of Rory Miller, retired corrections officer and Iraq war veteran, who has written several excellent books on the subject. (Start with Meditations on Violence.)

  34. Obama has all the biases one comes to expect from a 3rd world black Marxist Muslim. He wasn’t raised as a American but as a Marxist with Muslim and black radical tendencies.

    It’s clear he doesn’t like Whites or Western Civ all that much and won’t hesitate to demonize them when he gets the chance.

    I think he quite supportive of a low grade race war against whites, one where the whites cannot openly respond but have to take it. I think his support of BLM is to that end. BLM doesn’t have the muscle to start a full blown race war, but it’s big enough to push a incipient race war.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @rod1963


    It’s clear he doesn’t like Whites or Western Civ all that much
     
    But enough to choose to live and raise a family here.

    I wonder whether the First Couple will choose Kenya or Indonesia for their retirement...
  35. @Jack D
    Giuliani and Sailer - two haters spewing hateful hatefacts. Someone needs to have a "conversation" with them about race.

    Replies: @gda

    “Hatefacts” = uncomfortable and inconvenient truths. Only “badwhites” use “hatefacts”.

  36. O/T – ignore/delete if someone already posted this:

    Matt Drudge tweeted a link to your Nixon ad post. Have you seen an uptick in traffic?
    Does this mean Drudge will start linking iSteve posts on his site?
    This could be the big one folks.

  37. All things considered, black males are the most indulged, by far, of all criminals and criminal defendants.

  38. @candid_observer
    OT, but, as I'm sure others here are aware, Trump seems to be closing up the gap in the national polls, and may be leading by a bit in the battleground state polls.

    You may have thought that the left, and its MSM department, had gone insane.

    Hold on to your hats.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “OT, but, as I’m sure others here are aware, Trump seems to be closing up the gap in the national polls, and may be leading by a bit in the battleground state polls.”

    Donald Trump is polling ahead of Hildabeast in Florida and Pennsylvania, which surprises me because both states have a large Puerto Rican and African American population. That means White support for Donald Trump in these two states must be HUGE.

  39. Has anybody gathered statistics on the percentage of black men involved in police shootings who grew up in a two parent household? Feminism disparages the role of fathers in the family. The reigning liberal myth does not allow one to question the damage feminism has done to society.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Stan

    Under the old patriarchal view, boys learned to respect legitimate authority by witnessing their mother respect the authority of their father. Such quaint old notions!

  40. I’m guessing either Saint Thomas Aquinas or Our Lady Help of Christians in Brooklyn,

  41. Lot says:
    @I, Libertine
    But you can't even hint a these truths unless you are a very very bad person. Here in NYC, Rudy Giuliani is being excoriated for vaguely similar things in a diluted fashion. The gist of the attack on him is not that what he said on Sunday talk shows is untrue, but that he is very, very bad for saying them.

    And insensitive, too. Did I mention insensitive? He doesn't seem to know that speaking the truth may cause blacks to kill whites, or vice-versa, or something.

    The soon-to-be-departed Daily News put a picture of a black female toddler on its front page Monday, with a rhetorical question to Rudy asking whether she was a killer too. This is what passes for journalism is our sensitive, enlightened age.

    Replies: @Lot, @e

    A big boost to NYC street criminals is coming! NYPD is going to implement much of the BLM anti police agenda. It is kind of like Miranda warnings on steroids.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/nyregion/new-york-city-council-will-not-vote-on-police-reform-measures.html

    Hopefully we can get the inevitable spike in crime before the election. Got to love the part about policing passing out business cards to the thugs Rudy’s NYPD would be roughing up.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lot

    "Hopefully we can get the inevitable spike in crime before the election. Got to love the part about policing passing out business cards to the thugs Rudy’s NYPD would be roughing up."

    If we see a huge spike in crime in New York City that brings it back to 1970s level of street crime when you had the likes of The Savage Nomads, The Black Spades, The Ghetto Brothers, The Savage Skulls, etc hopefully they end up mugging a lot of White liberal Hildabeast supporters.

  42. @Wilkey
    @JohnnyGeo

    "Better still would be to compare young black men to young non-black men."

    It might be, but Steve was clearly trying to point out why young black men might be a particular nuisance. Pointing out that they are 37 times more likely to kill than any other group (including blacks you aren't young and/or male) is an especially poignant way to do that. The gap between them and young, non-black men would probably be less dramatic but still quite large.

    It's safe to say the difference in murder rates between whites in blacks is at least an order of magnitude, if not more. In past years my local newspaper has published lists of all the in-state murders for the year. Despite being over 85% non-Hispanic white, generally far less than half the murders are committed by whites, and generally around half are committed by Hispanics. Remove Hispanics (and Muslims like the Orlando killer) from the ranks of "white" murderers and you easily get a black/white murder rate disparity that exceeds a ratio of 10-to-1.

    Replies: @Lot

    Black and hispanic crime rates are underreported and perps are less likely to be caught, so even looking at murder arrestees understates the white NAM crime rate gap.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  43. @Danindc
    Well done Steve. I like the mention of no white cornerbacks since Sehorn retired in 2004. However, how many years do you have to go back before Sehorn to find a white starting cornerback? I think the last was Roger Wehrli who last started in 1980. That's amazing.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @PV van der Byl, @Brutusale

    As a Redskins fan, I remember Brian Davis. He was the last player to tackle Walter Payton and intercepted John Elway in Super Bowl 22.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviBr21.htm

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I'm a huge redskin fan. Loved DAVIS as well but he never really started. It was Darrell Green and Barry Wilburn. Skins also also drafted another white corner tory Nixon a few years earlier. And also had the great Pat Fisher.

    Replies: @shk12344

  44. New British PM (she of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_Party and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3510648/Theresa-tells-police-record-reasons-time-stop-driver-driving-black-not-crime.html) used her first speech to say what an injustice it is that blacks are more likely to go to prison in Britain.

    I don’t think it really matters if”these disparities originate in complex interactions between nature and nurture”. Western society simply does not accept Darwinism and demands blacks get whatever desserts they ought to in the Lamarckian world everyone that matters talks as if they believe exists. In this view, Blacks can’t be expected to behave normally until they are treated normally for hundreds of years and become normal through the inheritance of acquired characteristics. White on the other hand have no such excuse and the underclass whites.

    The most influential race and eugenics scientist by the mid 30′s was Ernest Hooton, who wanted sterilisation or isolation of undesirables; his writings are show him as a thoroughgoing Lamarckian. Crucially, Hooton said a long established race (such as the American type) could not be altered by immigration, because the American environment would alter genetic qualities toward American norms even if they married within their own immigrant community, and the genes of every new influx would be modified to an inveterate type formed by the American environment and mode of life. Hence the American type population would subsume any amount of immigrants, because the similar environment would alter the immigrants’ genes. The scientists who provided the rationale for 20th century eugenics laws being passed were in a great many cases not Darwinians. Moreover, their actual targets for extermination were problematic whites. Blacks had not been given the environment to improve, but Appalachians had failed to alter for the better despite living in the US for hundreds of years as whites, thereby showing themselves to be a pathological element not susceptible to Lamarckian modification, according to Aleš Hrdlička:-

    http://racehist.blogspot.co.uk/2008/04/hrdlicka-on-old-new-englanders.html The Appalachian mountaineers, ranging from New York State to Alabama and numbering as many as 8,000,000, are the “sore on the American Continent,” in an anthropological sense .. something that needs the hearty attention of the biological and anthropological part of America.”

  45. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    @Danindc

    As a Redskins fan, I remember Brian Davis. He was the last player to tackle Walter Payton and intercepted John Elway in Super Bowl 22.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaviBr21.htm

    Replies: @Danindc

    I’m a huge redskin fan. Loved DAVIS as well but he never really started. It was Darrell Green and Barry Wilburn. Skins also also drafted another white corner tory Nixon a few years earlier. And also had the great Pat Fisher.

    • Replies: @shk12344
    @Danindc

    There was Scott Case from Atlanta Falcons from 80s and 90s. Mostly played safety, but started few seasons as a cornerback. Did quite well, made a pro bowl. Here's his Wikipedia link.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Case_(American_football)

    Replies: @Danindc

  46. @mack
    We need a hatefact spreadsheet with entries of every recent, ostensibly unwarranted police killing of criminal blacks that is featured nationally by the media - Walter Scott in SC, Trayvon Martin in FL, Freddie in Baltimore, Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, etc.

    Column titles: Name and location, why cop intervened, criminal's rap sheet, facts of fatal incident, "facts" reported by media (with links), number of hours of news coverage, narrative and inflammatory statements in response to fatal incident from politicians and community leaders (with links), aggravating circumstances of the black criminal as revealed by investigation (with links), mitigating circumstances of the cop as revealed by investigation, legal verdict, community reaction to verdict, and so on.

    Every "outrage" can be dismantled in an organized, fact-checked, easily accessible manner.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    What you are describing is the kind of thing intelligent citizens do intuitively. We don’t need someone’s spreadsheet to show us the obvious, but lesser minds do.

    Let someone with time on his hands do it. The only people who will pay attention will be those of us who already have figured things out. Others, for whom the truth is inconvenient, will suppress or ignore it; while those who listen to them will not understand it.

    Such is the nature of our world.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I disagree. A spreadsheet listing the information with citations would be a big plus for the debate.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @mack
    We need a hatefact spreadsheet with entries of every recent, ostensibly unwarranted police killing of criminal blacks that is featured nationally by the media - Walter Scott in SC, Trayvon Martin in FL, Freddie in Baltimore, Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, etc.

    Column titles: Name and location, why cop intervened, criminal's rap sheet, facts of fatal incident, "facts" reported by media (with links), number of hours of news coverage, narrative and inflammatory statements in response to fatal incident from politicians and community leaders (with links), aggravating circumstances of the black criminal as revealed by investigation (with links), mitigating circumstances of the cop as revealed by investigation, legal verdict, community reaction to verdict, and so on.

    Every "outrage" can be dismantled in an organized, fact-checked, easily accessible manner.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    “Every “outrage” can be dismantled in an organized, fact-checked, easily accessible manner.”

    I’ve been thinking this. It can be difficult to remember incidents and their details. A methodical way to track these type of outrages and others would be very helpful, so that facts can easily be accessed when needed.

  48. @Pat Hannagan
    No matter how much you refuse to post my posts let's face it; you know I'm right. Race war is here. Jews brought it on. And you remain their greatest friend.

    Replies: @Danindc, @MEH 0910, @Pat Casey, @Jack D

    Meds!! Take your meds!!

    • Agree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Danindc

    Or Pat should find another blog to follow and spare himself the aggravation he evidently feels here.

    , @Pat Hannagan
    @Danindc

    I have given Steve many bouquets, like so I pay respect by sending brickbats when I disagree.

  49. @Bugg
    Recall also Obama dismisses fears about terrorism because being killed in a terrorist attack is statistically less likely than dying in a bathtub accident. That's cold comfort for the people I know who died and who lost loves ones on 9/11. The 2 Catholic parishes I have lived in in Brooklyn and Rockaway had to stagger the funeral times for crowd control and to keep traffic flowing for months thereafter.For certain subsets of people (financial and emergency services workers in NYC) it wasn't and still is not a remote possibility at all.

    But Obama doesn't mention that statistically an innocent person is more likely to die from a shark attack than for some crazy rogue cop; even longer odds. But even if you break it down to African-Americans living in the inner city, the odds are still ridiculously low unless you involve yourself in criminality. In the one instance I can think of of an innocent black guy being shot to death by a cop, NYPD Officer Peter Liang shot Akai Gurley in a housing project stairwell mostly due to poor training and awful tactics rather than any intent. Liang in fact struck everyone involved as a man who never should have been a cop due to his meek demeanor and cowardice. But we need diversity uber alles, so to hell with screening out any minority candidate who might not be so suited. So much so the Brooklyn DA, Ken Thompson, a black guy , declined to ask for jail time even after a trial conviction. Note that Obama cites statistics that assume every cop shooting is necessarily unjustified when reality is a. it's a very rare and less recurring thing than it was even 30 years ago and b. the overwhelming instances of cops shooting people were entirely justified.

    My hope; Trump makes Mike Brown Hillary's true running mate.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Recall also Obama dismisses fears about terrorism because being killed in a terrorist attack is statistically less likely than dying in a bathtub accident. That’s cold comfort for the people I know who died and who lost loves ones on 9/11. The 2 Catholic parishes I have lived in in Brooklyn and Rockaway had to stagger the funeral times for crowd control and to keep traffic flowing for months thereafter.For certain subsets of people (financial and emergency services workers in NYC) it wasn’t and still is not a remote possibility at all.

    But Obama doesn’t mention that statistically an innocent person is more likely to die from a shark attack than for some crazy rogue cop; even longer odds.”

    Most people who died on 9/11 were not Black, so he is not as emotionally invested into that as he was with his thug strong arm robber son Michael Brown.

    Barack Hussein Obama sees himself as Black first and an American a very distant last.

  50. Random observations, Scott Adams of Dilbert fame noted recently that the intimidation and violence around BLM has had the effect of cratering Trump’s support. Trump won the nomination by being the un-PC dominant male, and now Hillary! has unleashed BLM which trumps, well Trump. You will note he’s said just about nothing regarding BLM and Adams relates constant death threats, no more speaking engagements, and a decline of income of 40% for his Trump content.

    Intimidation works as Third World Aristocrat Obama well knows. Obama grew up in a household run by a Suharto minor princeling, and Hawaii home of “Beat Up Haole Day” so he knows well the power of anti-White intimidation. It is natural to him as breathing and he can’t NOT do it. So BLM has been a godsend — intimidating and demoralizing Trump supporters and energizing the army of non-Whites that Hillary! depends upon.

    Secondly, Rudy Guiliani was called “far-right” by NBC screencapped by Instapundit. So there is a general Intifada against Whites who notice anything by Blacks that is negative. SJW are at heart religiously attached to a doctrine of noble Black victims of ordinary Joe White racism, with noble White Guy/Gal leaders dancing with Wolves/Avatars/Blue Cats to save the natives. Or somesuch. Its deep WASP culture. [ Jews don’t go in for that stuff.]

    Thirdly, attitudes like Pat Hannagan’s are well, Stormfront stupid. There is a reason the Alt-Right has not gotten anywhere, as it prefers to blame “the Jews” … Jerry Seinfeld, Bibi Netanyahu (the subject of a not-so-secret million dollar State Dept. Campaign to defeat him by Obama), and Howard Stern and Patton Oswalt are all secretly conspiring to have the US over-run with Africans and Muslims because that’s so good for Jerry’s car collection. Or US defense of Israel.

    Stormfront Stupid is pedestalizing White women and refusing to acknowledge that most are unmarried, destined to remain that way or with a brief marriage and divorce late in life, and don’t need or want White beta male commitment or much of anything else. Women, and the huge explosion of unmarried, un-connected White middle/upper class women; plus traditional WASP adventuring, and the replacement of Christianity with Redeeming Black figures (who make no demands btw on sexual restraint or anything else) are to blame for this. As is the lack of wars, threats to elites from foreign powers, and the lack of dependence on ordinary White males for elites to retain power, control, and status.

    TL:DR, not “the Jews stupid, what was the question?” but the end of the Cold War, lack of military threats, disconnection of White women from White men, disconnection of the elites from ordinary joes, WASP desire to dance with Wolves, and Christianity replaced with Noble Black Redeemers and WASP acolytes.

    Jews of course are involved in this as part of the general Upper Class Whites vs. Lower Class Whites cold / hot civil war. But its about as Jewish a thing as Teddy Kennedy, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Chris Matthews. Upper Class Jews are just along for the ride and if Nationalism was the center of elite ideology Matty Yglesias would be banging on for closing the borders and trade protectionism. It’s just a perfect storm of garbage hurtling through the West.

  51. Let me add, this matters (blaming “the Jews” or not) because the West is dying. Blaming Jews is like Steve McQueen doing Laetrile in Mexico instead of treating his cancer aggressively, or Steve Jobs using meditation on his early and treatable cancer.

    It won’t fix the disconnect between White men and women. It won’t produce a credible threat that makes the elites depend on a robust military-industrial complex staffed and run by the only ones capable of running it properly — White men. It won’t fix elites not needing a big draft military to protect them, and it won’t fix WASP predilection for posing as saviors of non-Whites and making a damn religion out of it.

    These are all things that CAN be FIXED. But only addressing them head on — not peddling Stormfront Stupid conspiracy theories that take the eye off the cancers growing.

    For example, globalization puts pandemics squarely on the future. You can’t stop sick Africans from getting on jets and spreading stuff around, unless you run the entire continent as an Apartheid colony denying Africans the ability to do pretty much anything. Which means NYC Upper East Side salons are intimately connected by less than a day of pandemics in the middle of Africa, hiding in some squirrel or rodent or bat.

    Elites CAN be persuaded that they will die an ugly African death unless they limit immigration AND devote MASSIVE resources to viral diseases requiring MASSIVE employment of Straight White Men who actually know what they are doing, and giving them MASSIVE amounts of status and prestige and money; all so that big shots don’t bleed out of every orifice while dying with no cure. [This helps Joe Average too, but its the big shots who call the shots.]

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Whiskey

    Agree, the Jooos are not the source of all our problems, and it damages the cause to rattle on about it. Much of our problems are white weakness in the face of liberal assaults on civilizational norms. For instance, I am very surprised there has not been more push back from soccer moms about having trannies in the girls' room.

    , @Jack D
    @Whiskey

    Anti-semitism used to be called "the socialism of fools", "socialism" being short for "an intelligent analysis of the problems of capitalist society". Marx's analysis of the problems of capitalism was actually pretty good, it was his cure that was the problem - the cure was worse than the disease.

    It's like the drunk who looks for his keys under the streetlamp, even though he dropped them elsewhere - it's easier to see over there.

    The dread disease thing won't work. We saw that ebola was actually containable and there aren't any other good candidates.

    Perhaps we could get Putin to start another Cold War. Or China could start a Pacific War. That would work.

  52. @Lot
    @I, Libertine

    A big boost to NYC street criminals is coming! NYPD is going to implement much of the BLM anti police agenda. It is kind of like Miranda warnings on steroids.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/nyregion/new-york-city-council-will-not-vote-on-police-reform-measures.html

    Hopefully we can get the inevitable spike in crime before the election. Got to love the part about policing passing out business cards to the thugs Rudy's NYPD would be roughing up.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Hopefully we can get the inevitable spike in crime before the election. Got to love the part about policing passing out business cards to the thugs Rudy’s NYPD would be roughing up.”

    If we see a huge spike in crime in New York City that brings it back to 1970s level of street crime when you had the likes of The Savage Nomads, The Black Spades, The Ghetto Brothers, The Savage Skulls, etc hopefully they end up mugging a lot of White liberal Hildabeast supporters.

  53. @whorefinder
    We've got roughly a month and a half before school is back in session. And about two months before "beach" weather/hanging out outside weather goes away, barring an Elizabeth Warren summer (see what I did there?).

    The great Leftist religion dictates that it must apologize for every bad black action by blaming whitey. The president's straining here bespeaks the fraying. Another two months of national black bad behavior will kill the Leftist narrative in all but True Believer's minds.

    We already saw on CNN recently that some police are just not going to roll over and take the racism charge. They are fighting back with Stevish numbers: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/12/cnn_panel_devolves_into_shouting_when_blacklivesmatter_supporter_rejects_statistics_on_race_and_crime.html

    Local law enforcement may be the organized non-black group that can actually push back hard on the national "blame whitey" movement. Hollywood's glamorization of cops might have backfired on them.

    Replies: @David In TN

    :Hollywood’s glamorization of cops might have backfired on them”

    I was just thinking about that. How many films and TV series over the decades have been about Hero Cops?

  54. @Pat Hannagan
    How much does it cost for Ron to have you on the payroll? I bet it isn't much.

    I reckon you go for less than $30K US per year

    Replies: @IHTG, @Anonym

    This has only ever been SWPL Stormfront. If you want the real thing you know where to go.

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @Anonym

    What are you talking about? Stormfront is equal parts WN LARPing and FBI/SPLC accounts.

    Replies: @Anonym

  55. @frizzled

    Why do the human sciences record pervasive behavioral differences among racial groups, such as in violent-crime rates?
     
    Well that's wrong, straight off the bat.

    West African immigrants to the United States are well behaved and successful. The child of an African immigrant became the first black President, out of how many slave-descended blacks?

    Different crime rates have most likely nothing to do with biological destiny, and everything to do with culture. Of course we should test all hypotheses, but that's the way the evidence points.

    We in the reality-based community needs to up our semantic game. You can't have good arguments without accurate language. I suggest "SDBA" - Slave Descended Black American. You can make specific and accurate statements about the SDBA population. Generalize about all blacks and you're on shaky ground.

    The new terminology also gives us the tools to distinguish blacks pretending to be SDBA for political reasons (Obama) from actual SDBA's.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Georg E

    Source?

    • Replies: @frizzled
    @Anonym

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States


    African immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.[17] According to the 2000 Census, the rate of college diploma acquisition is highest among Egyptian Americans at 59.7 percent, followed closely by Nigerian Americans at 58.6 percent.[18][19]
     
    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#

    Nigerian immigrants have the highest levels of education in this city and the nation, surpassing whites and Asians, according to Census data bolstered by an analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Nigerian American : $61,289
    Ghanaian American : $57,029
     
    Now it also says Somalians are bottom of the league with average income of $18,756. But West Africans and Kenyans are doing pretty well. African American "SDBA" are of West African heritage, and Somalians are East African, genetically very far removed.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AnotherDad, @Hippopotamusdrome

  56. OT: NYU J-School Professor takes the mask off in WaPo today – urges media to go full attack-mode on Trump:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/07/13/donald-trump-is-crashing-the-system-journalists-need-to-build-a-new-one/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @SonOfStrom

    by Jay Rosen. Shocker...

    , @candid_observer
    @SonOfStrom

    Yeah, just one more case of the MSM and the left first telling themselves how Trump is Eeeviler than Eeevil, and then announcing that they must then throw out all previous standards of conduct, because of all the Eeeviler, so don't act so shocked, OK?

    It's Trump's fault they have no principles.

    If they act with integrity, then the Fascists have won.

  57. @Pat Hannagan
    No matter how much you refuse to post my posts let's face it; you know I'm right. Race war is here. Jews brought it on. And you remain their greatest friend.

    Replies: @Danindc, @MEH 0910, @Pat Casey, @Jack D

  58. @Anonym
    @frizzled

    Source?

    Replies: @frizzled

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States

    African immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.[17] According to the 2000 Census, the rate of college diploma acquisition is highest among Egyptian Americans at 59.7 percent, followed closely by Nigerian Americans at 58.6 percent.[18][19]

    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#

    Nigerian immigrants have the highest levels of education in this city and the nation, surpassing whites and Asians, according to Census data bolstered by an analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Nigerian American : $61,289
    Ghanaian American : $57,029

    Now it also says Somalians are bottom of the league with average income of $18,756. But West Africans and Kenyans are doing pretty well. African American “SDBA” are of West African heritage, and Somalians are East African, genetically very far removed.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @frizzled

    Where is your source that they are "well behaved"?

    , @AnotherDad
    @frizzled

    Frizzled, maybe you just don't get it, but this very data set, while not debunking your thesis:


    Different crime rates have most likely nothing to do with biological destiny, and everything to do with culture. Of course we should test all hypotheses, but that’s the way the evidence points.
     
    does self-debunk its own use for proving your thesis.

    Clearly what you have here is selective immigration--a very select group of Africans. If only a quarter of US whites have college degrees, than one can bet--no point in even wasting time grepping around for figures--that it's a considerably more rare achievement in Africa, and correlates with a much rare slice of IQ, conscientiousness, low time-preference and upper class background than a college degree in the US.

    Heck, i can introduce you to the two black guys i know best from work. Neither of them is a knucklehead ... but both of them have college degrees and are able to function just fine in corporate America. I.e. they are pretty good guys, but aren't a representative sample.

    In other words, your African immigrant sample is very selective and useless for trying to prove your point.

    ~~
    I'd say the more interesting point is that all legal non-refugee African immigration into the West is pretty highly selective. (Even the illegal cross the Mediterranean immigration is probably above mean, selecting for those who can pull together the cash and have the get-up-and-go.) And yet *everywhere* that blacks show up--not slave descended blacks, but *any* blacks--they are wildly over-represented in criminal activity and are a positive nuisance.

    I'll also assert--without any data--that my impression is that while the original African immigrants mostly behave respectably--though they still screw up more than you'd think--their children show pretty strong regression to the mean with the knucklehead quotient soaring. The racial mean they are regressing to in a lot of traits seems to be "not great" and lacking their parents immigrant experience and striving, their inner African seems to come out.

    It's unfortunate that neither the census bureau and the criminal justice system do much to really collect and break out detailed racial\ethnic\national origin data, which would be trivial to do. So it will be hard to answer these sorts of questions, other than anecdotally--how African immigrant heavy neighborhoods fare, etc. (Maybe we'll get there via "justice involved" DNA sampling sometime in the future.)

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @frizzled

    I don't really care about college attendence as being a meaningful indicator of anything, especially with a favored "disadvantaged" group. I'd rather see IQ test results.



    Scholarships For Nigerians

    Strathclyde Business School Nigeria Scholarships in UK, 2016

    Coventry University Nigeria High Achievers Scholarship for Postgraduates in UK

    2016 University of Birmingham / UKEAS Nigeria Outstanding Achievement Scholarships in UK

    University of Sussex Nigeria Scholarships for Masters Students in UK

    Newcastle University Nigeria Postgraduate Scholarships in UK, 2016

    Nigeria Merit Postgraduate Scholarships at University of Sheffield in UK

    Developing Solutions Chanrai Summit Scholarship is made available for Ghanaian or Nigerian students.

    [etc. etc. etc.]

     

    ...


    Survey: Nigerians Most Educated in the U.S.

    In addition to cultural expectations about obtaining higher education, the paper reports that many African immigrants are more likely to pursue higher education as a means of maintaining their immigrant status in the U.S.

    "In a way, it's a Catch-22 — because of immigration laws you are forced to remain in school, but then the funny thing is you end up getting your doctorate at the age of 29," Amadu Jacky Kaba, an associate professor at Seton Hall University in South Orange, NJ, told the paper. "If you stay in school, immigration will leave you alone."

     

  59. @Anonym
    @Pat Hannagan

    This has only ever been SWPL Stormfront. If you want the real thing you know where to go.

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    What are you talking about? Stormfront is equal parts WN LARPing and FBI/SPLC accounts.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Jack Hanson

    What are you talking about? Stormfront is equal parts WN LARPing and FBI/SPLC accounts.

    Truth once came out with a comment that iSteve was "SWPL Stormfront". I've thought it was amusing and have quoted it ever since.

  60. @Stan
    Has anybody gathered statistics on the percentage of black men involved in police shootings who grew up in a two parent household? Feminism disparages the role of fathers in the family. The reigning liberal myth does not allow one to question the damage feminism has done to society.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Under the old patriarchal view, boys learned to respect legitimate authority by witnessing their mother respect the authority of their father. Such quaint old notions!

  61. @Danindc
    @Pat Hannagan

    Meds!! Take your meds!!

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Pat Hannagan

    Or Pat should find another blog to follow and spare himself the aggravation he evidently feels here.

  62. @Hapalong Cassidy
    From the headline picture: is it just me or do Nicole Brown Simpson and Megyn Kelly look like they were separated at birth?

    Replies: @L Woods, @John Derbyshire, @metoo, @Marty

    High T. Look at jawbones.

  63. @Hapalong Cassidy
    From the headline picture: is it just me or do Nicole Brown Simpson and Megyn Kelly look like they were separated at birth?

    Replies: @L Woods, @John Derbyshire, @metoo, @Marty

    Nicole Brown Simpson was separated at the neck.

  64. @frizzled
    @Anonym

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States


    African immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.[17] According to the 2000 Census, the rate of college diploma acquisition is highest among Egyptian Americans at 59.7 percent, followed closely by Nigerian Americans at 58.6 percent.[18][19]
     
    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#

    Nigerian immigrants have the highest levels of education in this city and the nation, surpassing whites and Asians, according to Census data bolstered by an analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Nigerian American : $61,289
    Ghanaian American : $57,029
     
    Now it also says Somalians are bottom of the league with average income of $18,756. But West Africans and Kenyans are doing pretty well. African American "SDBA" are of West African heritage, and Somalians are East African, genetically very far removed.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AnotherDad, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Where is your source that they are “well behaved”?

  65. @Jack Hanson
    @Anonym

    What are you talking about? Stormfront is equal parts WN LARPing and FBI/SPLC accounts.

    Replies: @Anonym

    What are you talking about? Stormfront is equal parts WN LARPing and FBI/SPLC accounts.

    Truth once came out with a comment that iSteve was “SWPL Stormfront”. I’ve thought it was amusing and have quoted it ever since.

  66. @frizzled

    Why do the human sciences record pervasive behavioral differences among racial groups, such as in violent-crime rates?
     
    Well that's wrong, straight off the bat.

    West African immigrants to the United States are well behaved and successful. The child of an African immigrant became the first black President, out of how many slave-descended blacks?

    Different crime rates have most likely nothing to do with biological destiny, and everything to do with culture. Of course we should test all hypotheses, but that's the way the evidence points.

    We in the reality-based community needs to up our semantic game. You can't have good arguments without accurate language. I suggest "SDBA" - Slave Descended Black American. You can make specific and accurate statements about the SDBA population. Generalize about all blacks and you're on shaky ground.

    The new terminology also gives us the tools to distinguish blacks pretending to be SDBA for political reasons (Obama) from actual SDBA's.

    Replies: @Anonym, @Georg E

    Um, West African immigrants are coming from the upper reaches of West African society, the so called Wa Benzi elite (like the daughter of the Nigerian consul at my high school who was as black as the night but as white as a clever Valley girl) and those not quite at that level with the ambition to become something more. Their US counterparts would be the “talented tenth”. It is no surprise they exhibit different behavior. If we were to import en mass the Lagos slum-dwellers, I imagine we would see a similar criminality profile to “SDBAs”. You must choose your control groups very carefully, even in the social sciences.

  67. During his speech at the memorial for the Dallas policemen, as well as in his famous 2008 speech on race, Obama always follows a certain pattern.

    1. Says something unifying–race relations have improved in this country, most policemen are good people doing their best in a difficult job, etc.

    2. There’s still a problem–whether they’re conscious of it or not, the racism of white people affects the way they treat blacks.

    3. Blacks have legitimate grievances–slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, vague racist-ish things that still go on today (being mistaken for a valet, being followed around in a convenience store).

    4. Those grievances make black people angry and white people have to understand that and work harder to expunge racism from their hearts.

    What is always missing from the Obama’s analysis is that white people have legitimate grievances too–against black people. These include their neighborhoods being ruined by an influx of blacks; public school quality lowered by unruly black students; the financial burden of supporting a community relies so heavily on government services; losing out on a job or promotion due to affirmative action; having to avoid places because of the threat of black crime; experience of being robbed/raped/assaulted by blacks, or having family and friends who have been. These grievances are dismissed, even mocked, yet they are actually more legitimate, more relevant to the daily experience of whites, than the historical black grievances that Obama insists on rehashing.

    As a teenager, my girlfriend (now wife) was raped at knife-point by a black man who followed her into her apartment building. She was still a virgin at that time. Honestly, it did not affect my general view of blacks, but by Obama’s standards, wouldn’t I be entitled to dislike blacks based on that incident?

  68. It’s worth pointing out that the one thing that white progressives, police unions, and black leaders agree on is disarming young black males. The only reason it doesn’t happen is conservative 2nd Amendment tribalism.

    Insisting on the constitutional right for every young black male to own a handgun is one of the Republican party’s dumbest and most destructive stands. Thousands of people die every year because of it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Das

    "It’s worth pointing out that the one thing that white progressives, police unions, and black leaders agree on is disarming young black males."

    Yeah, those are three groups I trust to have my best interests at heart.

    "The only reason it doesn’t happen is conservative 2nd Amendment tribalism."

    You mean - preserving our historical liberties and our fundmental right to self-protection.

    , @William Badwhite
    @Das

    'Insisting on the constitutional right for every young black male to own a handgun is one of the Republican party’s dumbest and most destructive stands. Thousands of people die every year because of it."

    It is illegal for a convicted felon to own or carry a firearm.

    Please provide a citation for your assertion that an end to "2nd Amendment tribalism" would prevent the murder of "thousands of people".

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

  69. @SonOfStrom
    OT: NYU J-School Professor takes the mask off in WaPo today - urges media to go full attack-mode on Trump:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/07/13/donald-trump-is-crashing-the-system-journalists-need-to-build-a-new-one/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @candid_observer

    by Jay Rosen. Shocker…

  70. Without the high rates of handgun ownership, our black ghettoes would be like the ones in the UK and Canada. I.e., bad, but 10x better than we what we have now.

    • Replies: @scrivener3
    @Das

    Without the high rates of gun ownership our homes would be like the ones in the UK, subject to horrifying rates of of home invasion.

  71. @SonOfStrom
    OT: NYU J-School Professor takes the mask off in WaPo today - urges media to go full attack-mode on Trump:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/07/13/donald-trump-is-crashing-the-system-journalists-need-to-build-a-new-one/

    Replies: @Anonymous, @candid_observer

    Yeah, just one more case of the MSM and the left first telling themselves how Trump is Eeeviler than Eeevil, and then announcing that they must then throw out all previous standards of conduct, because of all the Eeeviler, so don’t act so shocked, OK?

    It’s Trump’s fault they have no principles.

    If they act with integrity, then the Fascists have won.

  72. @Danindc
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    I'm a huge redskin fan. Loved DAVIS as well but he never really started. It was Darrell Green and Barry Wilburn. Skins also also drafted another white corner tory Nixon a few years earlier. And also had the great Pat Fisher.

    Replies: @shk12344

    There was Scott Case from Atlanta Falcons from 80s and 90s. Mostly played safety, but started few seasons as a cornerback. Did quite well, made a pro bowl. Here’s his Wikipedia link.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Case_(American_football)

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @shk12344

    Good catch on Case. Sort of forgot about his 1-2 years at cb. I do remember him more as prototypical hard hitting white safety.

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Donald Trump described the killings by police in Minnesota and Louisiana as "a terrible, disgusting performance".

    Just curious, why is he allowed to say that but Obama and Clinton aren't? (not that they would ever use such language).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    Donald Trump described the killings by police in Minnesota and Louisiana as “a terrible, disgusting performance”.

    Just curious, why is he allowed to say that but Obama and Clinton aren’t? (not that they would ever use such language).

    I’m interested in hearing reactions to Trump’s statement from other commenters and Steve himself. To my eyes, the Baton Rouge shooting appeared to be legally justified: man (6’4″, 260 lbs) was reported to be threatening passersby with a handgun, he resisted police offers attempt to detain him, while struggling with the police on the ground his right arm appeared to reach toward his right pocket, from where a handgun was apparently retrieved after the shooting.

    Is there a real risk that Trump as president will want too much for everybody to like him?

  74. @Buzz Mohawk
    @mack

    What you are describing is the kind of thing intelligent citizens do intuitively. We don't need someone's spreadsheet to show us the obvious, but lesser minds do.

    Let someone with time on his hands do it. The only people who will pay attention will be those of us who already have figured things out. Others, for whom the truth is inconvenient, will suppress or ignore it; while those who listen to them will not understand it.

    Such is the nature of our world.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    I disagree. A spreadsheet listing the information with citations would be a big plus for the debate.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Yak-15

    Okay. Good. Let's draw one up and send it to Trump. If he used it in a debate against Clinton, how much difference do you think it would make?

    Isn't it obvious by now that only handwaving and shock moves any part of the masses? Thinking people do not move history. Idiots (and those who use them) do.

    If I were wrong, there would be a better standard bearer for us than Donald Trump, but there isn't.

    Replies: @Yak-15

  75. @Das
    Without the high rates of handgun ownership, our black ghettoes would be like the ones in the UK and Canada. I.e., bad, but 10x better than we what we have now.

    Replies: @scrivener3

    Without the high rates of gun ownership our homes would be like the ones in the UK, subject to horrifying rates of of home invasion.

  76. @Anonymous
    Donald Trump described the killings by police in Minnesota and Louisiana as "a terrible, disgusting performance".

    Just curious, why is he allowed to say that but Obama and Clinton aren't? (not that they would ever use such language).

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Harry Baldwin

    Violence, even legitimate violence, is ugly and shocking to those not accustomed to it. This is not my own observation, but that of Rory Miller, retired corrections officer and Iraq war veteran, who has written several excellent books on the subject. (Start with Meditations on Violence.)

  77. @rod1963
    Obama has all the biases one comes to expect from a 3rd world black Marxist Muslim. He wasn't raised as a American but as a Marxist with Muslim and black radical tendencies.

    It's clear he doesn't like Whites or Western Civ all that much and won't hesitate to demonize them when he gets the chance.

    I think he quite supportive of a low grade race war against whites, one where the whites cannot openly respond but have to take it. I think his support of BLM is to that end. BLM doesn't have the muscle to start a full blown race war, but it's big enough to push a incipient race war.

    Replies: @Dissident

    It’s clear he doesn’t like Whites or Western Civ all that much

    But enough to choose to live and raise a family here.

    I wonder whether the First Couple will choose Kenya or Indonesia for their retirement…

  78. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Meanwhile at Phillips Exeter:

    Chudi was a popular athlete, known for his wit and keen fashion sense, and for the bread he baked and sold around campus, a cinnamon-laced concoction known as monkey bread.
     
    Chukwudi “Chudi” Ikpeazu. How much wud could a Chukwudi chuk in Mos Eisley Cantina if Greedo shot first? Show your work.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Dissident, @Jack D

    How many boards would the Mongols hoard if the Mongol hordes got bored?

  79. Pat Casey says:
    @Pat Hannagan
    No matter how much you refuse to post my posts let's face it; you know I'm right. Race war is here. Jews brought it on. And you remain their greatest friend.

    Replies: @Danindc, @MEH 0910, @Pat Casey, @Jack D

    Rhyming rats to death are we. Thank God for the race and the sod, Pat. The USA is frightening and hysterical at the same time, and long lost to the alien race. Not worth it no more. Stay Irish. Own a real tradition. “White People” are what the alien race say they are. No soul to save. And if you haven’t, watch One Million Dubliners just as soon as you can.

    • Replies: @Pat Hannagan
    @Pat Casey

    Thanks for the support, Pat, especially in the face of the infidel. Nicely said, brother.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDlavnA1ck8

  80. @Pat Hannagan
    No matter how much you refuse to post my posts let's face it; you know I'm right. Race war is here. Jews brought it on. And you remain their greatest friend.

    Replies: @Danindc, @MEH 0910, @Pat Casey, @Jack D

    Yes, Jews just love race wars. The last one worked out so well for them.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @Jack D

    It actually did for the 2/3 that survived. Antisemitism took a deep drop, first state of Israel in 2000 years, many barriers upward in American society went away...

    I wouldn't be too surprised if that's the example inspiring other groups to try to capitalize on the victim thing. Of course few groups want to get 1/3 of their people killed first, and you have to have enough good publicity--lots of Armenians and Ukrainians died but people still haven't heard of those unless they're history buffs. (In fact, I remember learning about the Armenians as another example of genocide and the Ukrainians as one of the greater crimes of Soviet Communism.)

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

  81. @Arclight
    Every religion has its myths, and for modern progressives the concept that white supremacy is all around constantly working against striving minorities who would otherwise be achieving (or overarchieving) the same life outcomes as whites.

    Thus the need for a powerful central government that stands ready to tilt the scales for favored classes.

    Replies: @Olorin

    a powerful central government that stands ready to tilt the scales for favored classes.

    Which as they say it, means one thing, but in fact parses as “a powerful central government that keeps creating what the private sector has not: well paying jobs with benefits and pensions, often for useless or redundant people with strange impractical college degrees.”

    It’s kind of the equivalent in the SJW religion of the Transubstantiation miracle in the Catholic mass. They know it will never let blacks achieve heaven or grace or utopia or whatever…but the important thing is to keep gulping the cracker…and staying on the good side of the powerful who run the parish, the diocese, and the whole faith. You’ll probably fail to renew the dindu…but you’ll at least be employed in the meantime, and able to take your kids to the doctor (or cats to the vet).

    (I could use another religion as the simile here, but Catholic is the religion I have the most experience living outside of and in utter gob-smacked confusion about. I don’t mean any particular digs at yall Catlicks. At least not at the moment ;D )

  82. @frizzled
    @Anonym

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States


    African immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.[17] According to the 2000 Census, the rate of college diploma acquisition is highest among Egyptian Americans at 59.7 percent, followed closely by Nigerian Americans at 58.6 percent.[18][19]
     
    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#

    Nigerian immigrants have the highest levels of education in this city and the nation, surpassing whites and Asians, according to Census data bolstered by an analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Nigerian American : $61,289
    Ghanaian American : $57,029
     
    Now it also says Somalians are bottom of the league with average income of $18,756. But West Africans and Kenyans are doing pretty well. African American "SDBA" are of West African heritage, and Somalians are East African, genetically very far removed.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AnotherDad, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Frizzled, maybe you just don’t get it, but this very data set, while not debunking your thesis:

    Different crime rates have most likely nothing to do with biological destiny, and everything to do with culture. Of course we should test all hypotheses, but that’s the way the evidence points.

    does self-debunk its own use for proving your thesis.

    Clearly what you have here is selective immigration–a very select group of Africans. If only a quarter of US whites have college degrees, than one can bet–no point in even wasting time grepping around for figures–that it’s a considerably more rare achievement in Africa, and correlates with a much rare slice of IQ, conscientiousness, low time-preference and upper class background than a college degree in the US.

    Heck, i can introduce you to the two black guys i know best from work. Neither of them is a knucklehead … but both of them have college degrees and are able to function just fine in corporate America. I.e. they are pretty good guys, but aren’t a representative sample.

    In other words, your African immigrant sample is very selective and useless for trying to prove your point.

    ~~
    I’d say the more interesting point is that all legal non-refugee African immigration into the West is pretty highly selective. (Even the illegal cross the Mediterranean immigration is probably above mean, selecting for those who can pull together the cash and have the get-up-and-go.) And yet *everywhere* that blacks show up–not slave descended blacks, but *any* blacks–they are wildly over-represented in criminal activity and are a positive nuisance.

    I’ll also assert–without any data–that my impression is that while the original African immigrants mostly behave respectably–though they still screw up more than you’d think–their children show pretty strong regression to the mean with the knucklehead quotient soaring. The racial mean they are regressing to in a lot of traits seems to be “not great” and lacking their parents immigrant experience and striving, their inner African seems to come out.

    It’s unfortunate that neither the census bureau and the criminal justice system do much to really collect and break out detailed racial\ethnic\national origin data, which would be trivial to do. So it will be hard to answer these sorts of questions, other than anecdotally–how African immigrant heavy neighborhoods fare, etc. (Maybe we’ll get there via “justice involved” DNA sampling sometime in the future.)

  83. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Meanwhile at Phillips Exeter:

    Chudi was a popular athlete, known for his wit and keen fashion sense, and for the bread he baked and sold around campus, a cinnamon-laced concoction known as monkey bread.
     
    Chukwudi “Chudi” Ikpeazu. How much wud could a Chukwudi chuk in Mos Eisley Cantina if Greedo shot first? Show your work.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Dissident, @Jack D

    When the coalition of the fringes collide, stuff gonna happen. I’m not sure whom I have less sympathy for. Obviously, feeling up a girl’s backside was wrong, but somehow she has been trained to consider this a life changing, triggering event and will not rest until Chudi’s life is completely ruined. It seems to me that it would have been better for everyone if Chudi had just apologized and everyone moved on with their lives. Are we to believe that Michaella is such a precious virginal flower that no man has ever laid hands on her nether regions? Is she no longer a candidate for suitable marriage now that her melons have been tarnished? You have to let stuff like this go or it will consume you – society is doing this girl no favors by enabling her revenge fantasies.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Jack D

    Jackie Boy, IMHO, you've outed yourself as a barefaced apologist when here we thought you were just a deluded altruist. Do you know any black people other than the nice Talented Tenth at the office? Do you have a daughter?

    It's called sexual assault. Because of people like you, bruthas are always carrying the Race Card, and they start to believe it's a get-out-of-jail-free card. You want to smoke a joint in the car with your baby daddy and child and post it on Facebook? Go ahead. You want to grope a classmate? Feel free!

    Working in a club in my callow days disabused me about a lot of things, none more than the fact that every dindu believes every white woman wants "muh dik".

  84. SFG says:
    @Jack D
    @Pat Hannagan

    Yes, Jews just love race wars. The last one worked out so well for them.

    Replies: @SFG

    It actually did for the 2/3 that survived. Antisemitism took a deep drop, first state of Israel in 2000 years, many barriers upward in American society went away…

    I wouldn’t be too surprised if that’s the example inspiring other groups to try to capitalize on the victim thing. Of course few groups want to get 1/3 of their people killed first, and you have to have enough good publicity–lots of Armenians and Ukrainians died but people still haven’t heard of those unless they’re history buffs. (In fact, I remember learning about the Armenians as another example of genocide and the Ukrainians as one of the greater crimes of Soviet Communism.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SFG


    Antisemitism took a deep drop, first state of Israel in 2000 years, many barriers upward in American society went away…
     
    Typical ungrateful Jews - do they EVER thank Hitler for making all of this possible? Ever? No, not once. Not so much as a thank you or a birthday card.

    As Pyrrhus said, one more such victory and we are undone.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @SFG

    It is a strange thing: for thousands of years--all of history until a generation ago--being a loser/victim in conflict was nothing to shout about, it was an embarrassment, a great shame, perhaps the greatest. Even after WWII, it took about a generation before the holocaust shibboleth-ism really kicked in, but when it did, did it ever!

    Sometime around the 1970's it seemed that suddenly being a victim was the highest thing anyone could aspire to. Prior to that, if one had suffered profoundly at the hands of another, one didn't want it known, after about 1970, suddenly one wanted any injustice broadcast and acknowledged as widely as possible. It was a strange turnabout that we still live with yet I've hardly ever heard anyone remark on.

    I can't say whether Jews actually created this change as response to their WWII experience, or whether they were simply earlier and more effective users of this change in the zeitgeist.

    Replies: @IA, @CCZ

  85. Did you even read the linked article? This was not some guy copping an ass or boob feel or trying for a kiss. This was a 6’8″ guy repeatedly sticking his hands inside a female’s clothes while she told him no repeatedly. And Michaella is not the only one.

    I bow to no one in my distrust of what constitutes “the culture of rape” or whatever the current moronic phrase is, but this was unwanted touching at the very least. And he got away with it (so far) because of Black Privilege.

    If this were my daughter, I would round up some friends and educate him.

    Why these a*******s are at PE is beyond me. What, they can find tall sharp dressing Dindus locally?

  86. @Wilkey
    "In other words, young black males are about 27 times more likely to kill somebody than the average American."

    The problem with this statistic - and you're a far better numbers guy than I - is that the murder rates for the "average American" include the murders committed by young black men. A more accurate ratio is one that compares murders committed by young black men to those committed by all others. (27%/1%) divided by (73%/99%).

    The ratio ends up being about 36.6 to 1.

    Replies: @JohnnyGeo, @AnotherDad

    A more accurate ratio is one that compares murders committed by young black men to those committed by all others. (27%/1%) divided by (73%/99%).

    The ratio ends up being about 36.6 to 1.

    That seems reasonably accurate and about what one’s perception is. And totally legitimate if discussing the “why i don’t want to be around young black males”.

    But i think it’s kind of a crappy statistic–veers into the statistically territory usually inhabited by leftists if we’re really focusing on the racial angle–blacks vs. whites. Afterall a big part of that skew is simply “young males”. And young males are the troublemakers white or blacks.

    To tease out just the racial skew, i think you can get a back-of-the-envelope from the state data:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

    At the top you have a rural whitetopia–but well armed–state New Hampshire at 1/100,ooo. The worst white state is Wild Wonderful West Virginia at 4.
    Near the bottom you have predominantly rural Mississippi–the blackest (37%) state, at 9. Even attributing to Mississippi whites the wildness of West Virginia’s hillbillies and doing the racial proportion math, Mississippi’s blacks have a rate of something like 18.

    So my rough take comparing these three fairly rural states:
    New Englandish “good whites” ~ 1\100k
    Wild Scots-Irish hillbillies ~ 4\100k
    Southern blacks ~ 18\100k
    Or blacks roughly 18 times as murderous as good whites, four or five times wild whites. Probably nine or ten times average American white whites.

    And that’s a) rural and b) with southern whites looking over their shoulder. The urban situation with ghettoization, inter-generational welfare will be worst. Detroit–pretty much all black, hence a pretty clean number of how blacks do in a black run urban environment funded by whites–gives you a number above 40.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2014)

    The take home is pretty clear. Blacks are *significantly* more dangerous–something nearing an order of magnitude–than whites. And young black males are just trouble by any standard. Folks’ gut prejudices are well grounded in reality. Especially in this age of the Democrats’ “leaders” amping up black grievance, white folks would be well advised to stay away from blacks as much as humanly possible.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    white folks would be well advised to stay away from blacks as much as humanly possible.

    You mean from young blacks or all blacks?

    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    The fixation here is with violent crime.

    But, the rates of such criminality as embezzlement, corruption, fraud, abuse of public office etc, also follow the same generalized multiplier effect.

    Replies: @Lurker

  87. @Danindc
    Well done Steve. I like the mention of no white cornerbacks since Sehorn retired in 2004. However, how many years do you have to go back before Sehorn to find a white starting cornerback? I think the last was Roger Wehrli who last started in 1980. That's amazing.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @PV van der Byl, @Brutusale

    After Wehrli, the last white starting CB may have been Scott Perry. He started for the Bengals for four years and the 49ers for one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Perry_(American_football)

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @PV van der Byl

    Thanks. Hadn't heard of him.

  88. @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    A more accurate ratio is one that compares murders committed by young black men to those committed by all others. (27%/1%) divided by (73%/99%).

    The ratio ends up being about 36.6 to 1.
     
    That seems reasonably accurate and about what one's perception is. And totally legitimate if discussing the "why i don't want to be around young black males".

    But i think it's kind of a crappy statistic--veers into the statistically territory usually inhabited by leftists if we're really focusing on the racial angle--blacks vs. whites. Afterall a big part of that skew is simply "young males". And young males are the troublemakers white or blacks.

    To tease out just the racial skew, i think you can get a back-of-the-envelope from the state data:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

    At the top you have a rural whitetopia--but well armed--state New Hampshire at 1/100,ooo. The worst white state is Wild Wonderful West Virginia at 4.
    Near the bottom you have predominantly rural Mississippi--the blackest (37%) state, at 9. Even attributing to Mississippi whites the wildness of West Virginia's hillbillies and doing the racial proportion math, Mississippi's blacks have a rate of something like 18.

    So my rough take comparing these three fairly rural states:
    New Englandish "good whites" ~ 1\100k
    Wild Scots-Irish hillbillies ~ 4\100k
    Southern blacks ~ 18\100k
    Or blacks roughly 18 times as murderous as good whites, four or five times wild whites. Probably nine or ten times average American white whites.

    And that's a) rural and b) with southern whites looking over their shoulder. The urban situation with ghettoization, inter-generational welfare will be worst. Detroit--pretty much all black, hence a pretty clean number of how blacks do in a black run urban environment funded by whites--gives you a number above 40.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2014)

    The take home is pretty clear. Blacks are *significantly* more dangerous--something nearing an order of magnitude--than whites. And young black males are just trouble by any standard. Folks' gut prejudices are well grounded in reality. Especially in this age of the Democrats' "leaders" amping up black grievance, white folks would be well advised to stay away from blacks as much as humanly possible.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    white folks would be well advised to stay away from blacks as much as humanly possible.

    You mean from young blacks or all blacks?

  89. @Yak-15
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I disagree. A spreadsheet listing the information with citations would be a big plus for the debate.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Okay. Good. Let’s draw one up and send it to Trump. If he used it in a debate against Clinton, how much difference do you think it would make?

    Isn’t it obvious by now that only handwaving and shock moves any part of the masses? Thinking people do not move history. Idiots (and those who use them) do.

    If I were wrong, there would be a better standard bearer for us than Donald Trump, but there isn’t.

    • Replies: @Yak-15
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I did not mean the national debates. I meant debates between the small people where the stakes are tiny and the arguments contentious. When I have shown people stats behind HBD and its conclusions sometimes I change minds.

  90. @SFG
    @Jack D

    It actually did for the 2/3 that survived. Antisemitism took a deep drop, first state of Israel in 2000 years, many barriers upward in American society went away...

    I wouldn't be too surprised if that's the example inspiring other groups to try to capitalize on the victim thing. Of course few groups want to get 1/3 of their people killed first, and you have to have enough good publicity--lots of Armenians and Ukrainians died but people still haven't heard of those unless they're history buffs. (In fact, I remember learning about the Armenians as another example of genocide and the Ukrainians as one of the greater crimes of Soviet Communism.)

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    Antisemitism took a deep drop, first state of Israel in 2000 years, many barriers upward in American society went away…

    Typical ungrateful Jews – do they EVER thank Hitler for making all of this possible? Ever? No, not once. Not so much as a thank you or a birthday card.

    As Pyrrhus said, one more such victory and we are undone.

  91. @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    A more accurate ratio is one that compares murders committed by young black men to those committed by all others. (27%/1%) divided by (73%/99%).

    The ratio ends up being about 36.6 to 1.
     
    That seems reasonably accurate and about what one's perception is. And totally legitimate if discussing the "why i don't want to be around young black males".

    But i think it's kind of a crappy statistic--veers into the statistically territory usually inhabited by leftists if we're really focusing on the racial angle--blacks vs. whites. Afterall a big part of that skew is simply "young males". And young males are the troublemakers white or blacks.

    To tease out just the racial skew, i think you can get a back-of-the-envelope from the state data:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

    At the top you have a rural whitetopia--but well armed--state New Hampshire at 1/100,ooo. The worst white state is Wild Wonderful West Virginia at 4.
    Near the bottom you have predominantly rural Mississippi--the blackest (37%) state, at 9. Even attributing to Mississippi whites the wildness of West Virginia's hillbillies and doing the racial proportion math, Mississippi's blacks have a rate of something like 18.

    So my rough take comparing these three fairly rural states:
    New Englandish "good whites" ~ 1\100k
    Wild Scots-Irish hillbillies ~ 4\100k
    Southern blacks ~ 18\100k
    Or blacks roughly 18 times as murderous as good whites, four or five times wild whites. Probably nine or ten times average American white whites.

    And that's a) rural and b) with southern whites looking over their shoulder. The urban situation with ghettoization, inter-generational welfare will be worst. Detroit--pretty much all black, hence a pretty clean number of how blacks do in a black run urban environment funded by whites--gives you a number above 40.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2014)

    The take home is pretty clear. Blacks are *significantly* more dangerous--something nearing an order of magnitude--than whites. And young black males are just trouble by any standard. Folks' gut prejudices are well grounded in reality. Especially in this age of the Democrats' "leaders" amping up black grievance, white folks would be well advised to stay away from blacks as much as humanly possible.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Anonymous

    The fixation here is with violent crime.

    But, the rates of such criminality as embezzlement, corruption, fraud, abuse of public office etc, also follow the same generalized multiplier effect.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Anonymous


    the rates of such criminality as embezzlement, corruption, fraud, abuse of public office etc, also follow the same generalized multiplier effect.

     

    Of course, and aren't there studies showing that blacks are more likely to indulge in those per capita than whites? Or is that what you meant?

    The problem is that raw street level crime makes an area unliveable very quickly. Broken windows and all that.
  92. @frizzled
    @Anonym

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States


    African immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans.[17] According to the 2000 Census, the rate of college diploma acquisition is highest among Egyptian Americans at 59.7 percent, followed closely by Nigerian Americans at 58.6 percent.[18][19]
     
    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#

    Nigerian immigrants have the highest levels of education in this city and the nation, surpassing whites and Asians, according to Census data bolstered by an analysis of 13 annual Houston-area surveys conducted by Rice University.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Nigerian American : $61,289
    Ghanaian American : $57,029
     
    Now it also says Somalians are bottom of the league with average income of $18,756. But West Africans and Kenyans are doing pretty well. African American "SDBA" are of West African heritage, and Somalians are East African, genetically very far removed.

    Replies: @Anonym, @AnotherDad, @Hippopotamusdrome

    I don’t really care about college attendence as being a meaningful indicator of anything, especially with a favored “disadvantaged” group. I’d rather see IQ test results.

    Scholarships For Nigerians

    Strathclyde Business School Nigeria Scholarships in UK, 2016

    Coventry University Nigeria High Achievers Scholarship for Postgraduates in UK

    2016 University of Birmingham / UKEAS Nigeria Outstanding Achievement Scholarships in UK

    University of Sussex Nigeria Scholarships for Masters Students in UK

    Newcastle University Nigeria Postgraduate Scholarships in UK, 2016

    Nigeria Merit Postgraduate Scholarships at University of Sheffield in UK

    Developing Solutions Chanrai Summit Scholarship is made available for Ghanaian or Nigerian students.

    [etc. etc. etc.]

    Survey: Nigerians Most Educated in the U.S.

    In addition to cultural expectations about obtaining higher education, the paper reports that many African immigrants are more likely to pursue higher education as a means of maintaining their immigrant status in the U.S.

    “In a way, it’s a Catch-22 — because of immigration laws you are forced to remain in school, but then the funny thing is you end up getting your doctorate at the age of 29,” Amadu Jacky Kaba, an associate professor at Seton Hall University in South Orange, NJ, told the paper. “If you stay in school, immigration will leave you alone.”

  93. @JohnnyGeo
    @Wilkey

    Better still would be to compare young black men to young non-black men.

    I was actually expecting Steve to make that comparison as I read this passage:


    One reason young black males are disproportionately homicidal is that they are young (homicide rates are highest among 18- to 24-year-olds). Another factor is that they are male

     

    Replies: @Wilkey, @Hippopotamusdrome

    One reason young black males are disproportionately homicidal is that they are young (homicide rates are highest among 18- to 24-year-olds).

    US Age Distribution
    Race —- % aged 18-20 — relative to white rate
    White — 3.9% — +00%
    Black — 5.0% — +28%
    Hisp — 5.0% — +28%

    Black and Hispanic have about one quarter more young, not quite enough to “close the gap”.

  94. @mack
    We need a hatefact spreadsheet with entries of every recent, ostensibly unwarranted police killing of criminal blacks that is featured nationally by the media - Walter Scott in SC, Trayvon Martin in FL, Freddie in Baltimore, Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, etc.

    Column titles: Name and location, why cop intervened, criminal's rap sheet, facts of fatal incident, "facts" reported by media (with links), number of hours of news coverage, narrative and inflammatory statements in response to fatal incident from politicians and community leaders (with links), aggravating circumstances of the black criminal as revealed by investigation (with links), mitigating circumstances of the cop as revealed by investigation, legal verdict, community reaction to verdict, and so on.

    Every "outrage" can be dismantled in an organized, fact-checked, easily accessible manner.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Anonymous, @Almost Missouri

    Ann Coulter did something like this for the Rodney King arrest and media-provoked riot, as well as several other incidents, in Mugged, but without the spreadsheet format.

  95. @SFG
    @Jack D

    It actually did for the 2/3 that survived. Antisemitism took a deep drop, first state of Israel in 2000 years, many barriers upward in American society went away...

    I wouldn't be too surprised if that's the example inspiring other groups to try to capitalize on the victim thing. Of course few groups want to get 1/3 of their people killed first, and you have to have enough good publicity--lots of Armenians and Ukrainians died but people still haven't heard of those unless they're history buffs. (In fact, I remember learning about the Armenians as another example of genocide and the Ukrainians as one of the greater crimes of Soviet Communism.)

    Replies: @Jack D, @Almost Missouri

    It is a strange thing: for thousands of years–all of history until a generation ago–being a loser/victim in conflict was nothing to shout about, it was an embarrassment, a great shame, perhaps the greatest. Even after WWII, it took about a generation before the holocaust shibboleth-ism really kicked in, but when it did, did it ever!

    Sometime around the 1970’s it seemed that suddenly being a victim was the highest thing anyone could aspire to. Prior to that, if one had suffered profoundly at the hands of another, one didn’t want it known, after about 1970, suddenly one wanted any injustice broadcast and acknowledged as widely as possible. It was a strange turnabout that we still live with yet I’ve hardly ever heard anyone remark on.

    I can’t say whether Jews actually created this change as response to their WWII experience, or whether they were simply earlier and more effective users of this change in the zeitgeist.

    • Replies: @IA
    @Almost Missouri

    It most assuredly wasn't the Jews who did this with the Holocaust, although many Jews were part of the "freedom riders" agitating in the South for blacks.


    It is a strange thing: for thousands of years–all of history until a generation ago–being a loser/victim in conflict was nothing to shout about
     
    I've thought about it. First you had women's sufferage that baffled and bedeviled most men. You then had Gandhi using "nonviolence" against the Brits. Then MLK picked up on it. To someone raised outside the orbit of the Franco/Anglo world the idea of human rights is a very strange and wondrous thing indeed. They were able to see the Enlightenment Western god from a different perspective and effectively use it against its worshippers. Jews actually came late to the party.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @CCZ
    @Almost Missouri

    An interesting abstract of an essay that summarizes the events and trends that the author believes explains the rise of the victimhood theme.

    Victimhood Nationalism in the Memory of Mass Dictatorship
    Jie-Hyun Lim

    Abstract

    With the advent of a global public sphere, a shift from heroic martyrdom to innocent victimhood has begun to manifest itself in the construction of collective memories. It is difficult to pinpoint the precise moment of this shift, but it can be argued that as the space of global memory has expanded, its changing topography has contributed to the emergence of a discourse of victimhood. The rise of global human rights politics, the politics of apology among great world powers, ethnic cleansing and genocide in former Yugoslavia and Rwanda as they have been conjured out of the history of totalitarianism, the transposition of Holocaust memories onto contemporary sensibilities about genocide, the institutionalisation of cosmopolitan memories, the démocratisation of the narrative with its increasing concern about the victim’s voice and testimony and the process of coming to terms with the memories of mass dictatorships in the post-totalitarian era: all of these phenomena have made a global civil society more receptive to the discourse of victimhood.

  96. @Danindc
    Well done Steve. I like the mention of no white cornerbacks since Sehorn retired in 2004. However, how many years do you have to go back before Sehorn to find a white starting cornerback? I think the last was Roger Wehrli who last started in 1980. That's amazing.

    Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose, @PV van der Byl, @Brutusale

    Julian Edelman played some corner for the Patriots a few years ago when they had a string of injuries in the D-backfield.

  97. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Yak-15

    Okay. Good. Let's draw one up and send it to Trump. If he used it in a debate against Clinton, how much difference do you think it would make?

    Isn't it obvious by now that only handwaving and shock moves any part of the masses? Thinking people do not move history. Idiots (and those who use them) do.

    If I were wrong, there would be a better standard bearer for us than Donald Trump, but there isn't.

    Replies: @Yak-15

    I did not mean the national debates. I meant debates between the small people where the stakes are tiny and the arguments contentious. When I have shown people stats behind HBD and its conclusions sometimes I change minds.

  98. @Das
    It's worth pointing out that the one thing that white progressives, police unions, and black leaders agree on is disarming young black males. The only reason it doesn't happen is conservative 2nd Amendment tribalism.

    Insisting on the constitutional right for every young black male to own a handgun is one of the Republican party's dumbest and most destructive stands. Thousands of people die every year because of it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite

    “It’s worth pointing out that the one thing that white progressives, police unions, and black leaders agree on is disarming young black males.”

    Yeah, those are three groups I trust to have my best interests at heart.

    “The only reason it doesn’t happen is conservative 2nd Amendment tribalism.”

    You mean – preserving our historical liberties and our fundmental right to self-protection.

  99. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:

    Will the MSM take up this taken life?

    http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article89431417.html

  100. IA says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @SFG

    It is a strange thing: for thousands of years--all of history until a generation ago--being a loser/victim in conflict was nothing to shout about, it was an embarrassment, a great shame, perhaps the greatest. Even after WWII, it took about a generation before the holocaust shibboleth-ism really kicked in, but when it did, did it ever!

    Sometime around the 1970's it seemed that suddenly being a victim was the highest thing anyone could aspire to. Prior to that, if one had suffered profoundly at the hands of another, one didn't want it known, after about 1970, suddenly one wanted any injustice broadcast and acknowledged as widely as possible. It was a strange turnabout that we still live with yet I've hardly ever heard anyone remark on.

    I can't say whether Jews actually created this change as response to their WWII experience, or whether they were simply earlier and more effective users of this change in the zeitgeist.

    Replies: @IA, @CCZ

    It most assuredly wasn’t the Jews who did this with the Holocaust, although many Jews were part of the “freedom riders” agitating in the South for blacks.

    It is a strange thing: for thousands of years–all of history until a generation ago–being a loser/victim in conflict was nothing to shout about

    I’ve thought about it. First you had women’s sufferage that baffled and bedeviled most men. You then had Gandhi using “nonviolence” against the Brits. Then MLK picked up on it. To someone raised outside the orbit of the Franco/Anglo world the idea of human rights is a very strange and wondrous thing indeed. They were able to see the Enlightenment Western god from a different perspective and effectively use it against its worshippers. Jews actually came late to the party.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @IA


    "First you had women’s sufferage [sic] that baffled and bedeviled most men. You then had Gandhi using “nonviolence” against the Brits. Then MLK picked up on it."
     
    But were these things predicated on their subjects' victimhood? As far as I know, they were rather the opposite: that women, Indians, and blacks should have the same rights as men, the British and whites, not because they suffered but because they are also capable humans. Suffragettes, Gandhi and MLK sought not to portray themselves as victims, but rather as upright and accomplished people: deserving of equality because of their ability not their injuries.

    When the Holocaust became a PR event, that is the first time I can think of that a group's injury became their claim to--not equality--but special treatment. This was so successful that now everyone with a grievance seeks to achieve a similar victim apotheosis. Claims for black reparations were scarce in the immediate aftermath of slavery even up to the "civil rights" era. It was only recently, since the success of "holocaust-ism" that the cries for black reparations have become so incessant.

    "To someone raised outside the orbit of the Franco/Anglo world the idea of human rights is a very strange and wondrous thing indeed. They were able to see the Enlightenment Western god from a different perspective and effectively use it against its worshippers."
     
    I agree with this, but would add that even Western people since the 1960's or so would seem to belong to those "raised outside the orbit" inasmuch as they too only see in the Enlightenment Western god a racket to be worked.
  101. @Hapalong Cassidy
    From the headline picture: is it just me or do Nicole Brown Simpson and Megyn Kelly look like they were separated at birth?

    Replies: @L Woods, @John Derbyshire, @metoo, @Marty

    No resemblance. If Megyn Kelly had long hair no man could resist her.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Marty

    You mean no man with low standards. Her man-jaws put me off. So does her general mannish demeanor.

  102. @Whiskey
    Let me add, this matters (blaming "the Jews" or not) because the West is dying. Blaming Jews is like Steve McQueen doing Laetrile in Mexico instead of treating his cancer aggressively, or Steve Jobs using meditation on his early and treatable cancer.

    It won't fix the disconnect between White men and women. It won't produce a credible threat that makes the elites depend on a robust military-industrial complex staffed and run by the only ones capable of running it properly -- White men. It won't fix elites not needing a big draft military to protect them, and it won't fix WASP predilection for posing as saviors of non-Whites and making a damn religion out of it.

    These are all things that CAN be FIXED. But only addressing them head on -- not peddling Stormfront Stupid conspiracy theories that take the eye off the cancers growing.

    For example, globalization puts pandemics squarely on the future. You can't stop sick Africans from getting on jets and spreading stuff around, unless you run the entire continent as an Apartheid colony denying Africans the ability to do pretty much anything. Which means NYC Upper East Side salons are intimately connected by less than a day of pandemics in the middle of Africa, hiding in some squirrel or rodent or bat.

    Elites CAN be persuaded that they will die an ugly African death unless they limit immigration AND devote MASSIVE resources to viral diseases requiring MASSIVE employment of Straight White Men who actually know what they are doing, and giving them MASSIVE amounts of status and prestige and money; all so that big shots don't bleed out of every orifice while dying with no cure. [This helps Joe Average too, but its the big shots who call the shots.]

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D

    Agree, the Jooos are not the source of all our problems, and it damages the cause to rattle on about it. Much of our problems are white weakness in the face of liberal assaults on civilizational norms. For instance, I am very surprised there has not been more push back from soccer moms about having trannies in the girls’ room.

  103. @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    The fixation here is with violent crime.

    But, the rates of such criminality as embezzlement, corruption, fraud, abuse of public office etc, also follow the same generalized multiplier effect.

    Replies: @Lurker

    the rates of such criminality as embezzlement, corruption, fraud, abuse of public office etc, also follow the same generalized multiplier effect.

    Of course, and aren’t there studies showing that blacks are more likely to indulge in those per capita than whites? Or is that what you meant?

    The problem is that raw street level crime makes an area unliveable very quickly. Broken windows and all that.

  104. e says:
    @I, Libertine
    But you can't even hint a these truths unless you are a very very bad person. Here in NYC, Rudy Giuliani is being excoriated for vaguely similar things in a diluted fashion. The gist of the attack on him is not that what he said on Sunday talk shows is untrue, but that he is very, very bad for saying them.

    And insensitive, too. Did I mention insensitive? He doesn't seem to know that speaking the truth may cause blacks to kill whites, or vice-versa, or something.

    The soon-to-be-departed Daily News put a picture of a black female toddler on its front page Monday, with a rhetorical question to Rudy asking whether she was a killer too. This is what passes for journalism is our sensitive, enlightened age.

    Replies: @Lot, @e

    There are few blacks that don’t know the truth–that there are a high percentage among them of NATURALLY aggressive, violent people. They also understand that they CAN play the “slavery is what continues to make us less successful and prone to economic failure” because whites and college profs ALLOW them to play the card as if it were the ace of spades, no pun intended.

    No one has made the articulate case PUBLICLY that other impoverished groups, even those facing bigotry from day one of their being here, are not violent nor impoverished any longer.

    They need to. Then, when blacks respond with all their silly arguments, that brave person has to respond with only, “Baloney, no one actually buys that and if they tell you they do, they’re lying for their own personal gain.”

  105. CCZ says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @SFG

    It is a strange thing: for thousands of years--all of history until a generation ago--being a loser/victim in conflict was nothing to shout about, it was an embarrassment, a great shame, perhaps the greatest. Even after WWII, it took about a generation before the holocaust shibboleth-ism really kicked in, but when it did, did it ever!

    Sometime around the 1970's it seemed that suddenly being a victim was the highest thing anyone could aspire to. Prior to that, if one had suffered profoundly at the hands of another, one didn't want it known, after about 1970, suddenly one wanted any injustice broadcast and acknowledged as widely as possible. It was a strange turnabout that we still live with yet I've hardly ever heard anyone remark on.

    I can't say whether Jews actually created this change as response to their WWII experience, or whether they were simply earlier and more effective users of this change in the zeitgeist.

    Replies: @IA, @CCZ

    An interesting abstract of an essay that summarizes the events and trends that the author believes explains the rise of the victimhood theme.

    Victimhood Nationalism in the Memory of Mass Dictatorship
    Jie-Hyun Lim

    Abstract

    With the advent of a global public sphere, a shift from heroic martyrdom to innocent victimhood has begun to manifest itself in the construction of collective memories. It is difficult to pinpoint the precise moment of this shift, but it can be argued that as the space of global memory has expanded, its changing topography has contributed to the emergence of a discourse of victimhood. The rise of global human rights politics, the politics of apology among great world powers, ethnic cleansing and genocide in former Yugoslavia and Rwanda as they have been conjured out of the history of totalitarianism, the transposition of Holocaust memories onto contemporary sensibilities about genocide, the institutionalisation of cosmopolitan memories, the démocratisation of the narrative with its increasing concern about the victim’s voice and testimony and the process of coming to terms with the memories of mass dictatorships in the post-totalitarian era: all of these phenomena have made a global civil society more receptive to the discourse of victimhood.

  106. @Marty
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    No resemblance. If Megyn Kelly had long hair no man could resist her.

    Replies: @BB753

    You mean no man with low standards. Her man-jaws put me off. So does her general mannish demeanor.

  107. @Whiskey
    Let me add, this matters (blaming "the Jews" or not) because the West is dying. Blaming Jews is like Steve McQueen doing Laetrile in Mexico instead of treating his cancer aggressively, or Steve Jobs using meditation on his early and treatable cancer.

    It won't fix the disconnect between White men and women. It won't produce a credible threat that makes the elites depend on a robust military-industrial complex staffed and run by the only ones capable of running it properly -- White men. It won't fix elites not needing a big draft military to protect them, and it won't fix WASP predilection for posing as saviors of non-Whites and making a damn religion out of it.

    These are all things that CAN be FIXED. But only addressing them head on -- not peddling Stormfront Stupid conspiracy theories that take the eye off the cancers growing.

    For example, globalization puts pandemics squarely on the future. You can't stop sick Africans from getting on jets and spreading stuff around, unless you run the entire continent as an Apartheid colony denying Africans the ability to do pretty much anything. Which means NYC Upper East Side salons are intimately connected by less than a day of pandemics in the middle of Africa, hiding in some squirrel or rodent or bat.

    Elites CAN be persuaded that they will die an ugly African death unless they limit immigration AND devote MASSIVE resources to viral diseases requiring MASSIVE employment of Straight White Men who actually know what they are doing, and giving them MASSIVE amounts of status and prestige and money; all so that big shots don't bleed out of every orifice while dying with no cure. [This helps Joe Average too, but its the big shots who call the shots.]

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Jack D

    Anti-semitism used to be called “the socialism of fools”, “socialism” being short for “an intelligent analysis of the problems of capitalist society”. Marx’s analysis of the problems of capitalism was actually pretty good, it was his cure that was the problem – the cure was worse than the disease.

    It’s like the drunk who looks for his keys under the streetlamp, even though he dropped them elsewhere – it’s easier to see over there.

    The dread disease thing won’t work. We saw that ebola was actually containable and there aren’t any other good candidates.

    Perhaps we could get Putin to start another Cold War. Or China could start a Pacific War. That would work.

  108. @shk12344
    @Danindc

    There was Scott Case from Atlanta Falcons from 80s and 90s. Mostly played safety, but started few seasons as a cornerback. Did quite well, made a pro bowl. Here's his Wikipedia link.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Case_(American_football)

    Replies: @Danindc

    Good catch on Case. Sort of forgot about his 1-2 years at cb. I do remember him more as prototypical hard hitting white safety.

  109. @IA
    @Almost Missouri

    It most assuredly wasn't the Jews who did this with the Holocaust, although many Jews were part of the "freedom riders" agitating in the South for blacks.


    It is a strange thing: for thousands of years–all of history until a generation ago–being a loser/victim in conflict was nothing to shout about
     
    I've thought about it. First you had women's sufferage that baffled and bedeviled most men. You then had Gandhi using "nonviolence" against the Brits. Then MLK picked up on it. To someone raised outside the orbit of the Franco/Anglo world the idea of human rights is a very strange and wondrous thing indeed. They were able to see the Enlightenment Western god from a different perspective and effectively use it against its worshippers. Jews actually came late to the party.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “First you had women’s sufferage [sic] that baffled and bedeviled most men. You then had Gandhi using “nonviolence” against the Brits. Then MLK picked up on it.”

    But were these things predicated on their subjects’ victimhood? As far as I know, they were rather the opposite: that women, Indians, and blacks should have the same rights as men, the British and whites, not because they suffered but because they are also capable humans. Suffragettes, Gandhi and MLK sought not to portray themselves as victims, but rather as upright and accomplished people: deserving of equality because of their ability not their injuries.

    When the Holocaust became a PR event, that is the first time I can think of that a group’s injury became their claim to–not equality–but special treatment. This was so successful that now everyone with a grievance seeks to achieve a similar victim apotheosis. Claims for black reparations were scarce in the immediate aftermath of slavery even up to the “civil rights” era. It was only recently, since the success of “holocaust-ism” that the cries for black reparations have become so incessant.

    “To someone raised outside the orbit of the Franco/Anglo world the idea of human rights is a very strange and wondrous thing indeed. They were able to see the Enlightenment Western god from a different perspective and effectively use it against its worshippers.”

    I agree with this, but would add that even Western people since the 1960’s or so would seem to belong to those “raised outside the orbit” inasmuch as they too only see in the Enlightenment Western god a racket to be worked.

  110. @PV van der Byl
    @Danindc

    After Wehrli, the last white starting CB may have been Scott Perry. He started for the Bengals for four years and the 49ers for one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Perry_(American_football)

    Replies: @Danindc

    Thanks. Hadn’t heard of him.

  111. @Jack D
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    When the coalition of the fringes collide, stuff gonna happen. I'm not sure whom I have less sympathy for. Obviously, feeling up a girl's backside was wrong, but somehow she has been trained to consider this a life changing, triggering event and will not rest until Chudi's life is completely ruined. It seems to me that it would have been better for everyone if Chudi had just apologized and everyone moved on with their lives. Are we to believe that Michaella is such a precious virginal flower that no man has ever laid hands on her nether regions? Is she no longer a candidate for suitable marriage now that her melons have been tarnished? You have to let stuff like this go or it will consume you - society is doing this girl no favors by enabling her revenge fantasies.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    Jackie Boy, IMHO, you’ve outed yourself as a barefaced apologist when here we thought you were just a deluded altruist. Do you know any black people other than the nice Talented Tenth at the office? Do you have a daughter?

    It’s called sexual assault. Because of people like you, bruthas are always carrying the Race Card, and they start to believe it’s a get-out-of-jail-free card. You want to smoke a joint in the car with your baby daddy and child and post it on Facebook? Go ahead. You want to grope a classmate? Feel free!

    Working in a club in my callow days disabused me about a lot of things, none more than the fact that every dindu believes every white woman wants “muh dik”.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  112. @Das
    It's worth pointing out that the one thing that white progressives, police unions, and black leaders agree on is disarming young black males. The only reason it doesn't happen is conservative 2nd Amendment tribalism.

    Insisting on the constitutional right for every young black male to own a handgun is one of the Republican party's dumbest and most destructive stands. Thousands of people die every year because of it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @William Badwhite

    ‘Insisting on the constitutional right for every young black male to own a handgun is one of the Republican party’s dumbest and most destructive stands. Thousands of people die every year because of it.”

    It is illegal for a convicted felon to own or carry a firearm.

    Please provide a citation for your assertion that an end to “2nd Amendment tribalism” would prevent the murder of “thousands of people”.

    • Replies: @PV van der Byl
    @William Badwhite

    Additionally, it is difficult, verging on impossible, for any ordinary person (black male or otherwise), to be able to carry a pistol legally in large, heavily black cities (e.g. Chicago) even if that person is NOT a convicted felon.

  113. @Danindc
    @Pat Hannagan

    Meds!! Take your meds!!

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Pat Hannagan

    I have given Steve many bouquets, like so I pay respect by sending brickbats when I disagree.

  114. @Pat Casey
    @Pat Hannagan

    Rhyming rats to death are we. Thank God for the race and the sod, Pat. The USA is frightening and hysterical at the same time, and long lost to the alien race. Not worth it no more. Stay Irish. Own a real tradition. "White People" are what the alien race say they are. No soul to save. And if you haven't, watch One Million Dubliners just as soon as you can.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

    Thanks for the support, Pat, especially in the face of the infidel. Nicely said, brother.

  115. @William Badwhite
    @Das

    'Insisting on the constitutional right for every young black male to own a handgun is one of the Republican party’s dumbest and most destructive stands. Thousands of people die every year because of it."

    It is illegal for a convicted felon to own or carry a firearm.

    Please provide a citation for your assertion that an end to "2nd Amendment tribalism" would prevent the murder of "thousands of people".

    Replies: @PV van der Byl

    Additionally, it is difficult, verging on impossible, for any ordinary person (black male or otherwise), to be able to carry a pistol legally in large, heavily black cities (e.g. Chicago) even if that person is NOT a convicted felon.

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