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Quentin Tarantino has published a book, Cinema Speculation, of his views on other people’s movies, such as Taxi Driver:
Now to be fair, seemingly, Scorsese never considered the change of Sport’s race from black to white as big a deal as I do.
I’m pretty sure where Mr. Scorsese was coming from—if there was a chance of riots leading to the film being pulled from cinema screens that wasn’t a chance worth taking. Besides, Marty had wanted the film to have a part for Harvey Keitel and he was frustrated that it didn’t (he originally offered Harvey the part of Cybill Shepherd’s flirtatious coworker, but the actor turned it down).
So if by making the pimp character white, that opened up a good role for Harvey Keitel, great! Problem solved.
But Keitel forced the fraudulent aspect of the conceit because he wanted to meet a real-life counterpart.
Yes, Harvey Keitel wanted to meet a real-life white New York pimp. Not realizing that the “Great White Pimp” was a mythological cinematic creation. Nevertheless, Schrader was tasked with hitting the streets of New York looking for a white pimp for Harvey to base his character on. Needless to say, since there weren’t any white pimps in New York, Schrader never found one. He said, every once in a while somebody might say, “Yeah, I think I heard about one who hangs out about six blocks away, but I ain’t never seen ’em.” If there was a white pimp out there, Schrader said, he never found him. So Keitel was forced to do all of his character research with a black gentleman of leisure.
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This Simon & Garfunkel gem is called The Only Living Boy in New York. What a beautiful sound!
Steve, this post is pretty much the same as the previous one.
Why would ‘Schraeder’ ‘hit the streets’ instead of showing up at the clerk’s office of the Supreme Court for any of the judicial districts in New York City and ask how he might locate or compile a list of men convicted of ‘promotion of prostitution’ in the previous x years?
Or any escort agency. White pimps work in offices. Or from home.
More I think about it I doubt the story is true.
The only Tarantino movie I “likeded” was “True Romance” with Gary Goldman playing a wigger pimp named, “Drexl.”
It's thanks to Steve that I saw "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" and though I had grown to despise Tarantino, this one film caused me to re-evaluate the man. A bit.
https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Se%C3%B1or_Spielbergo
Also, I challenge anyone with normal testosterone to watch any 30 seconds of Gary Oldman in that film and not explode in laughter. "He musta thought it was white boy day...it ain't white boy day, is it?"
Then I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood which wasa hoot. So I just watched True Romance and enjoyed it very much. Christian Slater was good as the goofy guy, Rosanna Arquette was lovely, you could see Tony Soprano in James Gandolfini, the Walken/Hopper scene was excellent, but Gary Oldman stole the show as the white pimp.
https://youtu.be/CDJ8ocSN5GE?t=39
Also, careful reconstruction of places, never been there, but the highways, street scenes, very adjusted.
My only sticking point was the very sympathetic portrayal of Roman Polanski. Didn't like that.
Otherwise, a great film.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Bernie, @J.Ross
Tattaglia is a pimp.
He never could’ve outfought Santino.
Of course, what I didn’t realize until this day was that it was Barzini all along.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5biEjyXNa2oReplies: @Achmed E. Newman
Oh yeah, O/T, because as far as I know the song is not about a pimp.
Between the great backing vocals and that bass guitar, man…
Wasn’t Charles Manson a former pimp? You could say Manson was still pimping when he was arrested for the Tate murders.
There are white pimps nowadays, but they are mostly thickly-accented Slavs.
Tarentino’s great for what he is, but if modern Hollywood was real Hollywood, he would be like a “C” level personality; however, modern Hollywood is a flaming garbage dump in a leper colony, so here we are trying to pretend he’s Goddard.
Sydney Biddle Barrows wasn’t available until several years later.
15 Facts About the Underground Sex Economy in America
Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 3.14.2014 3:40 PM
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6.Pimp demographics vary. Pimps were about 85 percent male, 12 percent female, and 3 percent transgender. The majority (66 percent) were black, followed by Latino (9.6 percent), white (8.2 percent), multi-racial (8.2 percent), and Asian (2.7 percent). Most had at least a high school education, while about 27 percent had completed some college, 5.5 percent were college graduates, and 4.1 percent had attended a technical school.
9. Sex worker* demographics. Of the respondents, 33 percent identified as black, 17 percent as white, 11 percent as Latino, and 8 percent as multiracial. More than three-quarters (78 percent) were cis-gender females, 19 percent transgender females, and 3 percent were male.Replies: @MGB
That’s interesting. Obviously, there were white pimps in the past — and presumably, there are still whites who could be pimps. So what happened? Did blacks drive them out of business? What?
I would think you could look at NYPD arrest records and at least trace the disappearance of the white pimp. When did they start to go, and how fast was the transition?
Or maybe Schrader didn't even try: if I'd written a black pimp, and the director changed him to a white one, I might try to dissuade the director by telling him that there was no such thing as a white pimp, even if it wasn't true; or I might try to salvage things by tricking the actor into playing the white pimp in a black way: perhaps there's some aspect of black pimpery that I considered essentially to the plot or the aesthetic, or perhaps I could at least clue the audience in that the pimp was supposed to be black.
That said, street-level prostitution in that time and place may well have been black-dominated: organised crime, particularly in America, is highly ethnically and geographically stratified. So perhaps Travis Bickle could've plausibly encountered a white pimp in another town, or another era.Replies: @Trinity
Jewish Pimps like Keitel abound in NYC in the twentieth century.
How about Epstein?
https://www.gothamcenter.org/blog/ten-thousand-bigamists-in-new-york
“While bigamy was likely an issue due to legal misunderstandings over divorce requirements, it was still portrayed as a moral failing and perverse sexual crime. The focus on Jewish bigamists made it easy to blame Jews for other morality crimes like white slavery and prostitution.”
so easy…
“The white slavery scare was used to fuel nativist anti-immigrant fervor, the policing of ethnic boundaries, and the criminalization of interracial relationships. In 1907, lawmakers in New York City responded by passing section 2460 of the New York Penal Code to outlaw “compulsory prostitution” (which went into effect in 1910). The language was directed at pimps or procurers by making a person guilty of a felony if they received money from a woman engaged in prostitution.”
scare, u hu.
“The law coincided with the passage of the federal Mann Act, otherwise known as the White Slave Traffic Act. The Mann Act made it a felony to transport a woman or girl across state lines ‘for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.’ The federal law was often used to police ethnic and racial boundaries rather than protect women from being trafficked.”
no shit! Why can’t we do that again?
“It often targeted interracial relationships and consensual couples.”
sure thing…
Ghislaine was a madam, I suppose.Replies: @Wokechoke
A good point.
Hugh Hefner? Wasn’t in NYC but does Chicago or LA count?
Wonder how Hughie is doing now?
Cue: 8 Million Stories by Kurtis Blow.
Mr Tarantino:
Riots? Now isn’t that interesting, coming from a prime practitioner of torture porn, the main purpose of which seems to be fomenting anti-white violence? Because the people practicing the torture in movies (and TV) always seem to be white, or on occasion others who are simply reacting to whites. Giving whites what we all know they deserve!
Granted, he’s just typical Hollywood in this regard, but still.
Because that’s not the way it works. There is no putative clerk’s office at the Supreme Court that holds records of all convicted of pimping, available to the public, no clerk to interrogate……Furthermore, that would be a really lame-ass way to conduct research.
There are clerk's offices in all the judicial districts in New York and all the counties in New York. There are actually people who work there. There are actual records maintained of convictions entered in each judicial district. There are actual code numbers assigned to each defendant so officialdom can locate all of his convictions. By the way, after an interim period, every record on appeal is available at the law library of the appellate division in question.
Furthermore, that would be a really lame-ass way to conduct research.
You're either stupid or you think anyone reading your words is.Replies: @Curle
Every negro in America is well aware of the famous White pimp from Chicago, “Mr. Whitefolks”, who was one of the featured pimps (and the only White man) in the 1990s documentary “Pimps Up; Hos Down”.
Before him, there was the original “Mr. Whitefolks”, Johnny O’Brien, part Irish and part black, who could pass for White. He was buddies with Iceberg Slim.
Fun fact: Some negroes refer to Trump buddy Roger Stone as “Mr. Whitefolks.” LOL. A suitable tribute.
Scorsese’s claim that people would have rioted is surely just a cover for his real understanding that 1970s art film viewers could stomach and even see as an anti-hero a white guy killing poor whites but never do the same for blacks.
By the way, that famous grouch Peter Hitchens remembers being hissed (as a twenty-something Trotskyist in Oxford in 1975) for walking out during “Taxi Driver”’s climactic killing spree. Even then the idea that the violence was in bad taste was considered to be in worse taste than the movie itself.
When was the last time that people rioted over a motion picture, anyway? Here’s a pretty thin article with the closest to direct action taken as a result of the movie’s release being Arab-American protests over the depiction of Islamic terrorism in the 1998 thriller “The Siege” (followed three years later by, uh, 9/11).
https://www.avclub.com/admit-none-16-protested-movies-1798214348/amp
Muslims weren't happy with the movie Mohammed, Messenger of God (1976).Replies: @AndrewR, @Achmed E. Newman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn%27s_Finest
Didn’t Paul Schrader follow his “Only White Pimp in New York” movie 40 years later with his “Only Dutch Calvinist Suicide Bomber in the World” movie?
That’s so funny, because I saw the movie when it came out, and until this day, I thought Keitel was playing a slimy Puerto Rican pimp, of which there were decent number in NYC, back in that day.
I never entertained the notion that he was a “white pimp.”
That absurd notion would have taken me out of the movie.
I was going to rush to Harvey’s defence as I recalled his full frontal nudity in Bad Lieutenant. But then I remembered his stumbling around the Outback while wearing lipstick and a red dress in Holy Smoke….
Anyway, couldn’t he just have watched Ratso Rizzo in Midnight Cowboy? I can just imagine Harvey as “Sport” digging into a coconut as he advises Iris not to wear a cowgirl outfit while she’s working.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=a4ms5ktJFhc&feature=share&si=EMSIkaIECMiOmarE6JChQQ
so easy..."The white slavery scare was used to fuel nativist anti-immigrant fervor, the policing of ethnic boundaries, and the criminalization of interracial relationships. In 1907, lawmakers in New York City responded by passing section 2460 of the New York Penal Code to outlaw “compulsory prostitution” (which went into effect in 1910). The language was directed at pimps or procurers by making a person guilty of a felony if they received money from a woman engaged in prostitution."
scare, u hu. "The law coincided with the passage of the federal Mann Act, otherwise known as the White Slave Traffic Act. The Mann Act made it a felony to transport a woman or girl across state lines 'for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.' The federal law was often used to police ethnic and racial boundaries rather than protect women from being trafficked."no shit! Why can't we do that again?"It often targeted interracial relationships and consensual couples."sure thing...Replies: @SFG, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Trinity, @Polistra, @J.Ross
Epstein was a john, not a pimp.
Ghislaine was a madam, I suppose.
I would think you could look at NYPD arrest records and at least trace the disappearance of the white pimp. When did they start to go, and how fast was the transition?Replies: @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Wielgus
Maybe there are white pimps, but Paul Schrader didn’t know how to find them.
Or maybe Schrader didn’t even try: if I’d written a black pimp, and the director changed him to a white one, I might try to dissuade the director by telling him that there was no such thing as a white pimp, even if it wasn’t true; or I might try to salvage things by tricking the actor into playing the white pimp in a black way: perhaps there’s some aspect of black pimpery that I considered essentially to the plot or the aesthetic, or perhaps I could at least clue the audience in that the pimp was supposed to be black.
That said, street-level prostitution in that time and place may well have been black-dominated: organised crime, particularly in America, is highly ethnically and geographically stratified. So perhaps Travis Bickle could’ve plausibly encountered a white pimp in another town, or another era.
so easy..."The white slavery scare was used to fuel nativist anti-immigrant fervor, the policing of ethnic boundaries, and the criminalization of interracial relationships. In 1907, lawmakers in New York City responded by passing section 2460 of the New York Penal Code to outlaw “compulsory prostitution” (which went into effect in 1910). The language was directed at pimps or procurers by making a person guilty of a felony if they received money from a woman engaged in prostitution."
scare, u hu. "The law coincided with the passage of the federal Mann Act, otherwise known as the White Slave Traffic Act. The Mann Act made it a felony to transport a woman or girl across state lines 'for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.' The federal law was often used to police ethnic and racial boundaries rather than protect women from being trafficked."no shit! Why can't we do that again?"It often targeted interracial relationships and consensual couples."sure thing...Replies: @SFG, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Trinity, @Polistra, @J.Ross
Jewish pimps are more often called “agents” or “producers”.
B) I hate Harvey Keitel. Why is this ugly shrimp a movie star? Saw him in "Saturn 3" on tv last nite. Ugh.
I recall that Travis Bickle does shoot a black robber of a convenience store in the film.
The good citizens of Benghazi got pretty riled up over one about ten years ago
LOL!
Another example of our people being defamed. The anti-White agenda goes back generations. Now, if any of you cared about your people you would feel anger about it.
But you don’t, so you don’t.
so easy..."The white slavery scare was used to fuel nativist anti-immigrant fervor, the policing of ethnic boundaries, and the criminalization of interracial relationships. In 1907, lawmakers in New York City responded by passing section 2460 of the New York Penal Code to outlaw “compulsory prostitution” (which went into effect in 1910). The language was directed at pimps or procurers by making a person guilty of a felony if they received money from a woman engaged in prostitution."
scare, u hu. "The law coincided with the passage of the federal Mann Act, otherwise known as the White Slave Traffic Act. The Mann Act made it a felony to transport a woman or girl across state lines 'for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.' The federal law was often used to police ethnic and racial boundaries rather than protect women from being trafficked."no shit! Why can't we do that again?"It often targeted interracial relationships and consensual couples."sure thing...Replies: @SFG, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Trinity, @Polistra, @J.Ross
Paul Snider, the guy who killed Playmate Dorothy Stratton was a low level pimp allegedly and I believe the guy was Jewish as well.
And women pimps are called “Madam.”
so easy..."The white slavery scare was used to fuel nativist anti-immigrant fervor, the policing of ethnic boundaries, and the criminalization of interracial relationships. In 1907, lawmakers in New York City responded by passing section 2460 of the New York Penal Code to outlaw “compulsory prostitution” (which went into effect in 1910). The language was directed at pimps or procurers by making a person guilty of a felony if they received money from a woman engaged in prostitution."
scare, u hu. "The law coincided with the passage of the federal Mann Act, otherwise known as the White Slave Traffic Act. The Mann Act made it a felony to transport a woman or girl across state lines 'for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.' The federal law was often used to police ethnic and racial boundaries rather than protect women from being trafficked."no shit! Why can't we do that again?"It often targeted interracial relationships and consensual couples."sure thing...Replies: @SFG, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Trinity, @Polistra, @J.Ross
Okay, I’m not understanding here. Why else would you transport a woman across state lines??
It’s thanks to Steve that I saw once upon a time in Hollywood
OT: “wise Latina” moment
You are bloody effing kidding me. She's even stupider than I thought. And more narcissistic since it means what it means to her.
We no longer live in a serious country.Replies: @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS)
Color me unsurprised that a woman who failed all the way up to SCOTUS because of AA supports AA.
(Site glitch again)
It’s thanks to Steve that I saw “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” and though I had grown to despise Tarantino, this one film caused me to re-evaluate the man. A bit.
No shortage of racial animosity in Taxi Driver.
https://twitter.com/RogerSeverino_/status/1587611399668342790Replies: @Kylie, @AceDeuce, @Seneca44, @Jim Don Bob
Sotomayor: “De jure to me means places are segregated.”
You are bloody effing kidding me. She’s even stupider than I thought. And more narcissistic since it means what it means to her.
We no longer live in a serious country.
Or maybe Schrader didn't even try: if I'd written a black pimp, and the director changed him to a white one, I might try to dissuade the director by telling him that there was no such thing as a white pimp, even if it wasn't true; or I might try to salvage things by tricking the actor into playing the white pimp in a black way: perhaps there's some aspect of black pimpery that I considered essentially to the plot or the aesthetic, or perhaps I could at least clue the audience in that the pimp was supposed to be black.
That said, street-level prostitution in that time and place may well have been black-dominated: organised crime, particularly in America, is highly ethnically and geographically stratified. So perhaps Travis Bickle could've plausibly encountered a white pimp in another town, or another era.Replies: @Trinity
You could walk up and down the “Deuce” in NYC back in the 80s and NEVER see a pimp of any shade. Me thinks while pimps did and do exist, most “working girls” are “independent contractors.”
In the 1980’s, there were definitely white pimps in NYC – it’s just that they weren’t called pimps and, often, they were Russian (or Ukrainian or Georgian, you get the point). There were also other non-blacks such as Chinese and Koreans.
There were also white and Asian madams.
But street pimps? No. That’s for low IQ, violent males who were slick with runaway teenagers.
Also, if you saw a really good-looking streetwalker, chances were that she was a cop. Clean-looking pros didn’t walk the street. They worked the upscale hotels and the call girl operations. Or massage parlors (esp. Asians).
Then I had this one Indian Uber driver, who told me that I was lucky I didn't live in NYC and how it is being destroyed by - "I'm sorry to say this, sir, but..." - the blacks. He told me the problem was "the media" covering for the blacks and how "we" should solve this problem by rounding up "these journalists" and sentencing them to 20 years in prison with the blacks.
I thought, "Hmm, what a based Indian guy. I wonder if he voted for Trump."
He was so diametrically opposed to elite Indians in this country (med school, IT, etc.), it was quite amusing.Replies: @J.Ross, @anonymous, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Ian M., @Bernie
https://youtu.be/ugAGX1jG11w?t=57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6frLQWOSlQ
https://youtu.be/rnD-96pV0E4?t=7Replies: @Twinkie, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @J1234, @Trinity
I never realized that the shop owner had a Tulane t-shirt.
By the way, I was recently in NYC and took a lot of Uber to get around. Most Uber drivers were superficially polite and kept to minimal chatter (about the weather and the like).
Then I had this one Indian Uber driver, who told me that I was lucky I didn’t live in NYC and how it is being destroyed by – “I’m sorry to say this, sir, but…” – the blacks. He told me the problem was “the media” covering for the blacks and how “we” should solve this problem by rounding up “these journalists” and sentencing them to 20 years in prison with the blacks.
I thought, “Hmm, what a based Indian guy. I wonder if he voted for Trump.”
He was so diametrically opposed to elite Indians in this country (med school, IT, etc.), it was quite amusing.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-time/#comment-5602276
Some blacks were sufficiently riled up by the movie Mississippi Burning to attack a random white person after seeing it.
https://ncac.org/news/when-can-speech-be-punished-a-primer-on-unprotected-incitement-to-violence
Muslims weren’t happy with the movie Mohammed, Messenger of God (1976).
A) I wonder if Mr. Pelosi was a gay pimp?
B) I hate Harvey Keitel. Why is this ugly shrimp a movie star? Saw him in “Saturn 3” on tv last nite. Ugh.
Because he’s not you.
This is probably why Death Wish cast Jeff Goldblum as the criminal element – although perhaps they were being subtly subversive…
https://cloud.filmfed.com/movies/images/l_41ffcd0a-fc2d-4c82-bb5c-0e119604cfa9.jpg
Then I had this one Indian Uber driver, who told me that I was lucky I didn't live in NYC and how it is being destroyed by - "I'm sorry to say this, sir, but..." - the blacks. He told me the problem was "the media" covering for the blacks and how "we" should solve this problem by rounding up "these journalists" and sentencing them to 20 years in prison with the blacks.
I thought, "Hmm, what a based Indian guy. I wonder if he voted for Trump."
He was so diametrically opposed to elite Indians in this country (med school, IT, etc.), it was quite amusing.Replies: @J.Ross, @anonymous, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Ian M., @Bernie
They exist, eg, Kash Patel, or the guy who built an “anti-BlackRock.”
https://youtu.be/ugAGX1jG11w?t=57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6frLQWOSlQ
https://youtu.be/rnD-96pV0E4?t=7Replies: @Twinkie, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @J1234, @Trinity
Maybe Scorsese considers racial animosity unnatural and sick, like everything else in the movie; showing that animosity as having some justification (by depicting the bulk of the criminal scum as black) wouldn’t fit that idea.
Or maybe Tarantino is wrong about Scorsese.
As an artist, he finds it tribal and natural.
As a Catholic, he finds it problematic, even sinful.
As an ideologue, he finds it wrong, yadda yadda.
But we only care Scorsese as an artist, and he's been one of the few who deserve the title.
Still, I was never convinced by the ending of Taxi Driver. While too twisted and ironic to be a happy ending, it's rather outlandish and neat.
Chinatown is a genre film noir movie that its ending doesn't pull the ending from the jaws of art.
You are bloody effing kidding me. She's even stupider than I thought. And more narcissistic since it means what it means to her.
We no longer live in a serious country.Replies: @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS)
The Simpsons had Bart wind up a Supreme Court judge; that was written like 30 years ago, but probably set around now.
Better Bart than Sonia. Even a cartoon is more serious than our country is now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUw9Eo9QqmM
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d032e01e-8334-43ae-920b-ef2a4de64547
so easy..."The white slavery scare was used to fuel nativist anti-immigrant fervor, the policing of ethnic boundaries, and the criminalization of interracial relationships. In 1907, lawmakers in New York City responded by passing section 2460 of the New York Penal Code to outlaw “compulsory prostitution” (which went into effect in 1910). The language was directed at pimps or procurers by making a person guilty of a felony if they received money from a woman engaged in prostitution."
scare, u hu. "The law coincided with the passage of the federal Mann Act, otherwise known as the White Slave Traffic Act. The Mann Act made it a felony to transport a woman or girl across state lines 'for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose.' The federal law was often used to police ethnic and racial boundaries rather than protect women from being trafficked."no shit! Why can't we do that again?"It often targeted interracial relationships and consensual couples."sure thing...Replies: @SFG, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Trinity, @Polistra, @J.Ross
Missing the point. Keitel is not only playing a street pimp, but his dress, mannerisms and speech are black. The first time I saw the movie I was totally thrown by it, it was so jarring.
I’m just pointing out that Keitel is no white man.
Then I had this one Indian Uber driver, who told me that I was lucky I didn't live in NYC and how it is being destroyed by - "I'm sorry to say this, sir, but..." - the blacks. He told me the problem was "the media" covering for the blacks and how "we" should solve this problem by rounding up "these journalists" and sentencing them to 20 years in prison with the blacks.
I thought, "Hmm, what a based Indian guy. I wonder if he voted for Trump."
He was so diametrically opposed to elite Indians in this country (med school, IT, etc.), it was quite amusing.Replies: @J.Ross, @anonymous, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Ian M., @Bernie
Is this a call for hooker stories? In 1987 I was drinking a cup of coffee in the Golden Nugget in Vegas when I was propositioned by a chick who looked just like Honor Blackman in “Goldfinger.” She quoted me $75.
Prostitute insists on condoms.
Diverse clientele announces that he doesn't need to wear a condom because he doesn't feel like it.
Button is pushed. Security appears. It's super effective. Client is ejected and the spread of disease is temporarily halted.
“The Simpsons had Bart wind up a Supreme Court judge; that was written like 30 years ago, but probably set around now.”
Better Bart than Sonia. Even a cartoon is more serious than our country is now.
Keitel was made up to look like an Indian, and maybe it was an homage to The Searchers.
It’s been a long time since I watched Hardcore. Did Schrader suggest most porn makers are Jewish?
Black pimps per se were not the problem in Taxi Driver. It was the violence where Bickle would blow them away. If not for that scene, it probably would have featured black pimps.
Still, the movie is heavily race conscious. Bickle is troubled by sight of blacks walking in the streets. Of pimps sitting in cafes. He shoots a black robber in a store, who is smashed into a pulp by the store owner. And Scorsese plays a character who wants to go Dirty Harry on his wife’s privates for cheating on him with a black guy.
In interviews, Scorsese and Schrader tried to dump the problem on Bickle being a raycist, but they were being disingenuous. Having lived in NY, they knew what the racial problem was.
And if NY made a comeback in the 90s and 2000s, it was because Bickleism was made state policy.
But post-Floyd, it was the Warriors once again.
TV pimps were the best:
Hill Street Blues S02E03 was called “The Last White Man on East Ferry Avenue”. It was released in November 1981.
The man ends up killing a particularly annoying immigrant of the many that had made his life unbearable.
Muslims weren't happy with the movie Mohammed, Messenger of God (1976).Replies: @AndrewR, @Achmed E. Newman
In high school we had a black female from an “anti-racist” organization speak at our school. A black boy told her he had wanted to physically assault random white people after watching the film Amistad.
Her response was not “well it’s good you didn’t because that would have been racist.”
Her response was “it’s good you didn’t because we don’t need another brotha in jail.”
That was one of my first red pills.
How many more generations will we subject ourselves to racial subjugation?
https://youtu.be/ugAGX1jG11w?t=57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6frLQWOSlQ
https://youtu.be/rnD-96pV0E4?t=7Replies: @Twinkie, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @J1234, @Trinity
The Travis character is a parallel to television’s Archie Bunker character (culturally.) Both are from the same decade, and are expressions of racial contempt for blacks (from the entertainment industry) cloaked in the more socially acceptable guise of social commentary. I can’t know whether the authors felt or acknowledged this contempt on a personal (and obviously private) level, or if they just felt that their characters’ animus towards black social dysfunction would resonate with white audiences. Schrader and/or Lear may have been expressing something subliminal, I suppose. However, I don’t believe either author was actually “surprised” (as they claimed to be) when Travis and Archie were elevated to antihero status by many people in their audience. The version of Taxi Driver I saw had some note in the credits saying that it wasn’t the filmmakers intent to glorify Travis’ conduct. That came across as very silly to me…kind of like a comedian explaining a joke to his audience.
Bunker is closer to Peter Boyle's character in Joe, a kind of exwhitation flick.
Bickle is troubled by blacks in NY but also alienated from everything. He is as perturbed by Scorsese's character of the angry husband as by black hoods throwing stuff at his cab. Like Dirty Harry, he 'hates' everybody except an angel he sets his eyes on. They break up not because she turned out to be a whore or he treated her like a whore but because he thought he was doing the proper thing by taking an angel to a whore show. Later, he tries to turn Iris, a real whore, into an angel. Iris is part right. He's a square who doesn't even know it's not cool, let alone respectable, to take an angel to a whore show, esp on the first date. But it's beyond square behavior. He's like a hermetic box. What's truly disturbing is he's borderline normal. On the casual level, he seems like an ordinary person, but probe deeper, and there is a serious disconnect between society and his personality. But then, so much of NY, top to bottom, is even crazier than him. Difference is they've grown accustomed to the smell of decay whereas he always notices the stench, but then some of this rot emanates from within his own soul as well. There's no clear sense of boundary between his subjective madness and the objective madness that is NY in the 70s. In a way, the city is driving him mad, in another way he's projecting his madness on the city. Result is something like Bresson crossed with Dirty Harry.
Other movies around the same time with racial angle were Network, another crazy NY movie. It has the black militant angle. And One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, set in an earlier time but one that, like Taxi Driver, ponders what is real madness. The mental patients or the mental ward with its 'science'. The goons in Cuckoo's Nest are black. And Rocky was about the great white hope against an arrogant black.
A variation is Rupert Pupkin, who is also obsessed with a celebrity. Bickle goes after Palantine, Pupkin goes after Langford. Differences is nothing is funny to Bickle whereas everything is funny to Pupkin.Replies: @Feryl
Remember that Travis is a hero of a sort by the end of the film. Of course, it remains unclear whether at the end of the film we are experiencing reality or Travis' death wish fulfillment. Is Travis even alive at the end of the film? The ending of Taxi Driver tracks with the ending of Stanley Kurbrick's A Clockwork Orange. In each film, societal rejects and psychopaths apparently become acclaimed heroes. Taxi Driver is more powerful because it is not a work of science fiction, but firmly planted in the societal decay of late Seventies NYC. Both films delve into the dark world of manipulated psychopaths. Something that was kind of a thing in the Seventies.
Scorsese was very aware of racial animosity in urban American and the film openly deals with Travis as a hero of the people. Schrader admits that he was basically Travis Bickle when he wrote the script. Schrader was homeless at the time and living in his car. Norman Learn contrast was a true believing liberal and likely was shocked byArchie Bunker's popularity with the regular folks.
Then I had this one Indian Uber driver, who told me that I was lucky I didn't live in NYC and how it is being destroyed by - "I'm sorry to say this, sir, but..." - the blacks. He told me the problem was "the media" covering for the blacks and how "we" should solve this problem by rounding up "these journalists" and sentencing them to 20 years in prison with the blacks.
I thought, "Hmm, what a based Indian guy. I wonder if he voted for Trump."
He was so diametrically opposed to elite Indians in this country (med school, IT, etc.), it was quite amusing.Replies: @J.Ross, @anonymous, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Ian M., @Bernie
Every race is majority “based”, it’s just that success depends on mouthing the platitudes and seeming like you mean it, ergo unsuccessful guys are the ones who’ll say this sort of thing.
I don’t know about this, but in this movie, Gere & Hawke are killing a bunch of exclusively black pimps & other criminals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn%27s_Finest
Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/d032e01e-8334-43ae-920b-ef2a4de64547
“If there was a white pimp out there, Schrader said, he never found him. ”
We will never know how many white prostitutes were used and abused by the negro pimps either.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4k8pg4MhY2c
https://twitter.com/RogerSeverino_/status/1587611399668342790Replies: @Kylie, @AceDeuce, @Seneca44, @Jim Don Bob
I remember talking about the wide latina during her hearings when she was talking about her “Latino culture” being so big a part of her life and how it’s so beneficial to her as a judge.
Of course she doesn’t live much of that culture. She doesn’t attend church, which is a cornerstone of that community. When a judge in NYC, she lived in the affluent, mostly White West Village when she had her pick of places in NYC to live among her own kind. She married a non-hispanic White man. She never did any “giving back to the community”. Most of her “culture” is talking about her native foods. Imagine if Scalia or Alito thought that their mother’s manicotti was the main factor in their qualification to sit on the Court.
About the only typical latino quality besides her dimness, is her lousy money management. She has has serious financial issues in her adult life, which were glossed over in the hearings.
It’s our fault for coddling and enabling these buffoons. She was on the verge of flunking out of Princeton, until she became an “activist” and scared/guilted YT into cowed silence.
I know.
I’m just pointing out that Keitel is no white man.
Because that’s not the way it works. There is no putative clerk’s office at the Supreme Court that holds records of all convicted of pimping, available to the public, no clerk to interrogate……
There are clerk’s offices in all the judicial districts in New York and all the counties in New York. There are actually people who work there. There are actual records maintained of convictions entered in each judicial district. There are actual code numbers assigned to each defendant so officialdom can locate all of his convictions. By the way, after an interim period, every record on appeal is available at the law library of the appellate division in question.
Furthermore, that would be a really lame-ass way to conduct research.
You’re either stupid or you think anyone reading your words is.
Ghislaine was a madam, I suppose.Replies: @Wokechoke
In the seventies Epstein was a pimp.
OK, he’s not me. I have no clue what his search routine is., but if I wanted to find a white pimp in 1974, I’d look for a list of acknowledged pimps, try to identify likely candidates by name, then look at city directories and phone directories to see if any had an address I might check.
I think I first saw the movie in my late teens; I also found Keitel’s casting wrong… but I was willing to suspend disbelief and considered his character to be hispanic (i.e. Puerto Rican).
Please no. I worked with vice cops and a prosecutor who worked on vice cases for a little while.
He certainly is into flaming projectiles.
So Harvey was a rich panderer passing as a sly pimp manipulating a typical streetwalker?
(If you get that, you were a virgin in high school. And old.)
The ‘White’ pimps are making bigger money running online porn sites, strip clubs, escort services, massage parlors, and laundering the proceeds of prostitution through apartment rentals and other legal fronts.
A surprising number have family ties to the old Eastern Europe mafia, which migrated to Israel and the US. The stereotypical ‘White pimp’ is not a streetcorner hustler, but a guy who went to business school with encouragement from his family, drives a sensible vehicle, and invests.
They are quite innovative in expanding the methods of pimping.
Or Albanians, who seem to arrive in the UK with a residence permit in one hand and a crime permit in the other.
Is he Gary Oldman’s non-union Jewish equivalent?
https://simpsons.fandom.com/wiki/Se%C3%B1or_Spielbergo
https://www.tarantino.info/
https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-video-archives-podcast-with-quentin-tarantino-and-roger-avary
https://youtu.be/ugAGX1jG11w?t=57
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6frLQWOSlQ
https://youtu.be/rnD-96pV0E4?t=7Replies: @Twinkie, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @J1234, @Trinity
The few times I took a cab in NYC in the mid 80s, I don’t recall ever having a White guy as a cabbie. I am sure a token Travis or Archie Bunker ( remember Archie drove a cab when his union went on strike?) had to still be out there. New Yawk nigra cabbie and yours truly got into a shouting match over who had to pay a toll. I had to catch a flight so I backed down and paid the toll. My country ass had no idea whether I was being taken or if I was in the wrong. If NYC cabbies were this “colored” (Dots, Blacks, Aye-rabs, etc.) nearly 40 years ago, imagine now?
I have a claimed hooker story from a guy who says he worked security. A serious prostitute doesn’t tolerate a pimp and has a large and persuasive gentlemen in the other room of the suite, watching for the button to be pushed. He began by bringing up the prostitution ads warning that, in the age of discrimination lawsuits, no blacks need apply. Why do we think that is? He then sketched a representative scenario:
Prostitute insists on condoms.
Diverse clientele announces that he doesn’t need to wear a condom because he doesn’t feel like it.
Button is pushed. Security appears. It’s super effective. Client is ejected and the spread of disease is temporarily halted.
Everybody knows the “you’re part eggplant” interrogation scene (for good reason — it was one of the greatest scenes ever filmed), but I can’t tell you the number of lines from that movie that I have used in my life.
Also, I challenge anyone with normal testosterone to watch any 30 seconds of Gary Oldman in that film and not explode in laughter. “He musta thought it was white boy day…it ain’t white boy day, is it?”
Most “skreet” transactions don’t involve a motel room. More than likely the Jodie Foster character would have been working the porn theaters, peep shows, bus terminal, etc. Probably would perform a trick in an alley, closed subway staircase, etc. Hollywood and the land of make believe. I love it when Hollywood will have a street prostitute that looks very attractive. More than likely the street prostitute is Black or if she is White, she looks more like serial killer, Aileen Wournos than Angie Dickinson.
Note that Tarantino is not so much concerned about the riots as he is with the consequence that the movie might be pulled.
It would be a better world had Taxi Driver never been made.
https://twitter.com/RogerSeverino_/status/1587611399668342790Replies: @Kylie, @AceDeuce, @Seneca44, @Jim Don Bob
Ironic that an AA placed SCOTUS judge shows her lack of qualifications other than her ethnicity–in a trial about racial set asides!
I never got Taxi Driver. A film about a retarded taxi driver who goes postal because of a girl who doesn’t like to watch porn films? Also, who ends up killing a bad Jewish pimp cause he’d been pimping a nice white thirteen year old girl?
over the last 10 years, Tarantino went from the street level understanding of race – the correct one – to the woke version, and it made him a lot worse at making movies. too bad, but that’s the trend everywhere. he even appeared at some stupid political rallies, before realizing that was probably going too far, and dialing it back.
on the other hand, his most recent interview with Joe Rogan showed that he’s extremely intelligent and experienced in many areas, and has a really good grip on many real world topics. he’s definitely not a know nothing, Hollywood limousine liberal. his knowledge of hand to hand fighting and stunt shooting was rather impressive actually.
Maybe. When I honeymooned in Hawaii years ago, my wife and I were walking down a main drag in Honolulu (directly across from a police station) when I saw two very attractive young white women approaching men as they walked by with ‘Hey mister…” In the backround was an enormous black man with sunglasses and pimp attire and I clued in immediately what the situation was. I commented to my bride that the pimp must have the cops paid off to be able to work right across from the precinct. Vice type crime has always depended on police cooperation (greased with $$) to prosper, as long as the criminals kept the rough stuff among themselves.
https://reason.com/2014/03/14/economics-of-sex-work-in-american-cities/
15 Facts About the Underground Sex Economy in America
Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 3.14.2014 3:40 PM
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6.Pimp demographics vary. Pimps were about 85 percent male, 12 percent female, and 3 percent transgender. The majority (66 percent) were black, followed by Latino (9.6 percent), white (8.2 percent), multi-racial (8.2 percent), and Asian (2.7 percent). Most had at least a high school education, while about 27 percent had completed some college, 5.5 percent were college graduates, and 4.1 percent had attended a technical school.
9. Sex worker* demographics. Of the respondents, 33 percent identified as black, 17 percent as white, 11 percent as Latino, and 8 percent as multiracial. More than three-quarters (78 percent) were cis-gender females, 19 percent transgender females, and 3 percent were male.
I would think you could look at NYPD arrest records and at least trace the disappearance of the white pimp. When did they start to go, and how fast was the transition?Replies: @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Wielgus
Even in the 1970s, Harvey Keitel’s white pimp in Taxi Driver struck many as inauthentic, just because of the improbability, good though his performance was.
I’m watching The Streets of San Francisco(more woke than today’s shows) and by then some pimps seem to have switched to call girl/”hostess” business which was slightly more upscale. Maybe that’s where white pimps went.
If you believe then US Sec. of State Madam Hillary Clinton.
LOL!
The Travis character is a parallel to television’s Archie Bunker character (culturally.) Both are from the same decade, and are expressions of racial contempt for blacks (from the entertainment industry) cloaked in the more socially acceptable guise of social commentary.
Bunker is closer to Peter Boyle’s character in Joe, a kind of exwhitation flick.
Bickle is troubled by blacks in NY but also alienated from everything. He is as perturbed by Scorsese’s character of the angry husband as by black hoods throwing stuff at his cab. Like Dirty Harry, he ‘hates’ everybody except an angel he sets his eyes on. They break up not because she turned out to be a whore or he treated her like a whore but because he thought he was doing the proper thing by taking an angel to a whore show. Later, he tries to turn Iris, a real whore, into an angel. Iris is part right. He’s a square who doesn’t even know it’s not cool, let alone respectable, to take an angel to a whore show, esp on the first date. But it’s beyond square behavior. He’s like a hermetic box. What’s truly disturbing is he’s borderline normal. On the casual level, he seems like an ordinary person, but probe deeper, and there is a serious disconnect between society and his personality. But then, so much of NY, top to bottom, is even crazier than him. Difference is they’ve grown accustomed to the smell of decay whereas he always notices the stench, but then some of this rot emanates from within his own soul as well. There’s no clear sense of boundary between his subjective madness and the objective madness that is NY in the 70s. In a way, the city is driving him mad, in another way he’s projecting his madness on the city. Result is something like Bresson crossed with Dirty Harry.
Other movies around the same time with racial angle were Network, another crazy NY movie. It has the black militant angle. And One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, set in an earlier time but one that, like Taxi Driver, ponders what is real madness. The mental patients or the mental ward with its ‘science’. The goons in Cuckoo’s Nest are black. And Rocky was about the great white hope against an arrogant black.
A variation is Rupert Pupkin, who is also obsessed with a celebrity. Bickle goes after Palantine, Pupkin goes after Langford. Differences is nothing is funny to Bickle whereas everything is funny to Pupkin.
Rocky doesn't seem all that deep or socially concerned, and Rocky himself might be kind of a dope but he's also extroverted, funny, and unlike Travis Bickle, he charms women and is not a nascent pervert. Rocky capitalized on public disgust with 70's nihilism by giving them an underdog story with a likable hero.
“Why would ‘Schraeder’ [sic] ‘hit the streets’ instead of showing up at the clerk’s office”
Because just the thought of interacting with the NYC equivalent of Art Deco deflated the Schrader boner.
The original version of the National Firearms Act of 1934 included HANDGUNS.
We need to get rid of the illegal NFA 1934 and make NEW machine guns legal again.
As for full-autos, the revolution in home machines tools will nullify the government ban on full-auto conversion parts in due course.
USA doesn’t need Chinese to make their FA conversion parts.
“a black gentleman of leisure”
Is there any other kind?
15 Facts About the Underground Sex Economy in America
Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 3.14.2014 3:40 PM
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6.Pimp demographics vary. Pimps were about 85 percent male, 12 percent female, and 3 percent transgender. The majority (66 percent) were black, followed by Latino (9.6 percent), white (8.2 percent), multi-racial (8.2 percent), and Asian (2.7 percent). Most had at least a high school education, while about 27 percent had completed some college, 5.5 percent were college graduates, and 4.1 percent had attended a technical school.
9. Sex worker* demographics. Of the respondents, 33 percent identified as black, 17 percent as white, 11 percent as Latino, and 8 percent as multiracial. More than three-quarters (78 percent) were cis-gender females, 19 percent transgender females, and 3 percent were male.Replies: @MGB
what does that say about the demographics of straight/gay populations?
Maybe Scorsese considers racial animosity unnatural and sick
As an artist, he finds it tribal and natural.
As a Catholic, he finds it problematic, even sinful.
As an ideologue, he finds it wrong, yadda yadda.
But we only care Scorsese as an artist, and he’s been one of the few who deserve the title.
Still, I was never convinced by the ending of Taxi Driver. While too twisted and ironic to be a happy ending, it’s rather outlandish and neat.
Chinatown is a genre film noir movie that its ending doesn’t pull the ending from the jaws of art.
Muslims weren't happy with the movie Mohammed, Messenger of God (1976).Replies: @AndrewR, @Achmed E. Newman
Why were the Moslems upset with the movie, Harry? The library’s got it, but the description blurb just says “The dramatic story of Mohammed, the prophet who founded Islam.” That doesn’t sound too exciting to me, but if it pisses the Moslems off, maybe it’ll be worth watching.
“Under the mistaken belief that Anthony Quinn played Muhammad in the film, the group threatened to blow up the building and its inhabitants unless the film’s opening was cancelled.”
While not personally a fan of Anthony Quinn, why the rage over this possible choice to portray Mohammed? Because he was an infidel?
Slavs or some other (((Eastern Europeans)))?
I’ve seen one of the Police Academy series. There was a rioter/looter [white of course] wearing a Vassar sweatshirt.
There was a 1980s movie called Vice Squad . A white pimp named Ramrod was a prominent character. He wore a cowboy hat and drove a pickup truck cruising around the inner city . Totally unbelievable
Snyder was a pimp in Vancouver , which has no blacks. There was no competition for him
Fellow Jew Peter Bogdanovich "stole" Stratton from Snyder (even though Peter damn well knew that Snyder had an explosive temper and was extremely jealous) and his encouraging Stratton to estrange herself from Snyder culminated in Snyder brutally shot-gunning Stratton. An ugly look for all parties involved. Hugh Hefner sued the movie producers (even though Hef is portrayed as a figure of grace and dignity who looks down on Snyder as a small time hustler).Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Remember that Travis is a hero of a sort by the end of the film. Of course, it remains unclear whether at the end of the film we are experiencing reality or Travis’ death wish fulfillment. Is Travis even alive at the end of the film? The ending of Taxi Driver tracks with the ending of Stanley Kurbrick’s A Clockwork Orange. In each film, societal rejects and psychopaths apparently become acclaimed heroes. Taxi Driver is more powerful because it is not a work of science fiction, but firmly planted in the societal decay of late Seventies NYC. Both films delve into the dark world of manipulated psychopaths. Something that was kind of a thing in the Seventies.
Scorsese was very aware of racial animosity in urban American and the film openly deals with Travis as a hero of the people. Schrader admits that he was basically Travis Bickle when he wrote the script. Schrader was homeless at the time and living in his car. Norman Learn contrast was a true believing liberal and likely was shocked byArchie Bunker’s popularity with the regular folks.
The Warriors (1979) actually sparked a lot of heavy gangfights in and around movie theaters, to the point that the movie’s promotional campaign was toned down and eventually the movie itself was pulled (inspite of it doing well enough to have been a massive hit if hadn’t been pulled). Jaws 3 and Silent Night Deadly Night were also pulled prematurely from circulation (with Jaws 3 there may have been some kind of legal dispute, and Silent Night was pulled due to parental complaints regarding the slasher villain of the movie wearing a Santa suit. The funny thing is that the studio pissed people off by airing provocative TV ads of the movie, it’s not as if parents and their kids were actually going to see a slasher movie).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr7Vgw2UTOo
In each film, societal rejects and psychopaths apparently become acclaimed heroes.
But they feel very different. King of Comedy is closer in tone to A Clockwork Orange as both works mix humor with horror. Still, even King of Comedy is a downer, even with Pupkin free at the end as a kind of celebrity.
As for Bickle’s vigilante hero status, it’s entirely a misunderstanding. They simply noticed what he did — save a young girl from evil pimps — and had no clue as to what really animated him.
As for Alex, he isn’t exactly made a hero at the end of movie but used as posterboy for the government’s corrective recourse. He was first cured of being a thug and is now cured of being programmed.
Scorsese’s Catholicism added a layer of gloom to movies like Taxi Driver.
Kubrick was a visionary, and there’s a triumphant aspect to some of his works, despite the horror.
Dr. Strangelove realizing he can walk and Alex realizing he’s one with Ludwig again are both triumphant moments, comical Wagnerianism. And Major Kong was pappy to the Star Child. They both meet their maker.
Snyder also was a talented craftsman who made and sold sex furniture which actually made him decent money. He had other side hustles too. It figures that he checks the stereotype boxes of the fast talking crass pervy Jew. In the movie Star 80 he’s played by the decidedly Scots-Irish Eric Roberts. It’s a great (and disturbing) performance but still.
Fellow Jew Peter Bogdanovich “stole” Stratton from Snyder (even though Peter damn well knew that Snyder had an explosive temper and was extremely jealous) and his encouraging Stratton to estrange herself from Snyder culminated in Snyder brutally shot-gunning Stratton. An ugly look for all parties involved. Hugh Hefner sued the movie producers (even though Hef is portrayed as a figure of grace and dignity who looks down on Snyder as a small time hustler).
Is there any other kind?Replies: @Art Deco
The employment to population ratio among blacks is about 10% lower than it is for the other racial categories.
I have avoided Tarantino’s movies for their excessive and unnecessary violence. I am not squeamish; I thought The Wild Bunch was a great movie and liked Straw Dogs too.
Then I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood which wasa hoot. So I just watched True Romance and enjoyed it very much. Christian Slater was good as the goofy guy, Rosanna Arquette was lovely, you could see Tony Soprano in James Gandolfini, the Walken/Hopper scene was excellent, but Gary Oldman stole the show as the white pimp.
Bunker is closer to Peter Boyle's character in Joe, a kind of exwhitation flick.
Bickle is troubled by blacks in NY but also alienated from everything. He is as perturbed by Scorsese's character of the angry husband as by black hoods throwing stuff at his cab. Like Dirty Harry, he 'hates' everybody except an angel he sets his eyes on. They break up not because she turned out to be a whore or he treated her like a whore but because he thought he was doing the proper thing by taking an angel to a whore show. Later, he tries to turn Iris, a real whore, into an angel. Iris is part right. He's a square who doesn't even know it's not cool, let alone respectable, to take an angel to a whore show, esp on the first date. But it's beyond square behavior. He's like a hermetic box. What's truly disturbing is he's borderline normal. On the casual level, he seems like an ordinary person, but probe deeper, and there is a serious disconnect between society and his personality. But then, so much of NY, top to bottom, is even crazier than him. Difference is they've grown accustomed to the smell of decay whereas he always notices the stench, but then some of this rot emanates from within his own soul as well. There's no clear sense of boundary between his subjective madness and the objective madness that is NY in the 70s. In a way, the city is driving him mad, in another way he's projecting his madness on the city. Result is something like Bresson crossed with Dirty Harry.
Other movies around the same time with racial angle were Network, another crazy NY movie. It has the black militant angle. And One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, set in an earlier time but one that, like Taxi Driver, ponders what is real madness. The mental patients or the mental ward with its 'science'. The goons in Cuckoo's Nest are black. And Rocky was about the great white hope against an arrogant black.
A variation is Rupert Pupkin, who is also obsessed with a celebrity. Bickle goes after Palantine, Pupkin goes after Langford. Differences is nothing is funny to Bickle whereas everything is funny to Pupkin.Replies: @Feryl
Dirty Harry Callahan is one of the first true “anti-heroes”. He’s gruff and violent, but he still follows a sort of code in a world gone mad. Everyone he encounters (two-bit street criminals, officious bureaucrats, weasel lawyers, fascistic police death squads, nihilist terrorists, insane spree killers etc.) is clearly operating on a virtue plane beneath Dirty Harry. Only limp-wristed liberals would find any sympathy with these antagonists. By the 80’s cinema would have tons of these protagonists in a toned down form. Essentially The Dirty Harry movies were proto-80’s movies. Taxi Driver on the other hand is the definitive depressing and nihilistic 70’s movie, where there really isn’t anyone to root for (I question the mental health of anyone who calls Travis a “hero”, he’s socially awkward, depressed, and not terribly bright).
Rocky doesn’t seem all that deep or socially concerned, and Rocky himself might be kind of a dope but he’s also extroverted, funny, and unlike Travis Bickle, he charms women and is not a nascent pervert. Rocky capitalized on public disgust with 70’s nihilism by giving them an underdog story with a likable hero.
It’s a good movie because the actors are so good that you can tolerate how utterly loathsome the characterization is. Deniro as the taciturn reject who passively daydreams his way through life until he goes on a killing spree, Jodie Foster as a 13 year old prostitute, Harvey Keitel as the foul predatory pimp, etc. Without such good acting it would seem like adolescent shock value stuff.
Then I had this one Indian Uber driver, who told me that I was lucky I didn't live in NYC and how it is being destroyed by - "I'm sorry to say this, sir, but..." - the blacks. He told me the problem was "the media" covering for the blacks and how "we" should solve this problem by rounding up "these journalists" and sentencing them to 20 years in prison with the blacks.
I thought, "Hmm, what a based Indian guy. I wonder if he voted for Trump."
He was so diametrically opposed to elite Indians in this country (med school, IT, etc.), it was quite amusing.Replies: @J.Ross, @anonymous, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Ian M., @Bernie
Mine was Pakistani:
https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-big-time/#comment-5602276
https://twitter.com/RogerSeverino_/status/1587611399668342790Replies: @Kylie, @AceDeuce, @Seneca44, @Jim Don Bob
The wise Latina has to be somewhat relieved, now that K-J Brown is on the court, that she is longer the only candidate for the stupidest POC on SCOTUS.
Color me unsurprised that a woman who failed all the way up to SCOTUS because of AA supports AA.
Yes!
Was the trouble from The Boppers or The Hi-Hats?
I drove a cab in NYC 1969 – 1971 IIRC. Mostly white guys. We got 49% of the meter. Then our union screwed us and made a deal with the medallion owners that the cabbies paid $x a day no matter how much they made. I think it was $100 which used to be a good bit of money.
Fellow Jew Peter Bogdanovich "stole" Stratton from Snyder (even though Peter damn well knew that Snyder had an explosive temper and was extremely jealous) and his encouraging Stratton to estrange herself from Snyder culminated in Snyder brutally shot-gunning Stratton. An ugly look for all parties involved. Hugh Hefner sued the movie producers (even though Hef is portrayed as a figure of grace and dignity who looks down on Snyder as a small time hustler).Replies: @Jim Don Bob
Peter Bogdanovich married Dorothy Stratton’s sister!
The pervert started dating her when she was in her mid teens.
A parental figure sexually exploiting a grieving minor. That's Hollyweird for you
>Is this a call for hooker stories?
That’s my domain…
FWIW, street hookers could be incredibly sweet, almost maternal toward children and adolescents going through a rough time (it didn’t hurt that I was, for better or worse, a very attractive child)… but they were invariably deeply screwed up people.
There were massive recruiting efforts going on all the time. Because the burn out and death rate was high. Henchmen was the job title for apprentice pimps. They started out recruiting.
We will never know how many white prostitutes were used and abused by the negro pimps either.Replies: @Curle
Here’s one.
Goldblum in ’73 looked like a really tall goblin.
Lots of people, women mainly, actually believe it. Think the consensus is starting to change?
There are clerk's offices in all the judicial districts in New York and all the counties in New York. There are actually people who work there. There are actual records maintained of convictions entered in each judicial district. There are actual code numbers assigned to each defendant so officialdom can locate all of his convictions. By the way, after an interim period, every record on appeal is available at the law library of the appellate division in question.
Furthermore, that would be a really lame-ass way to conduct research.
You're either stupid or you think anyone reading your words is.Replies: @Curle
“There are actual code numbers assigned to each defendant so officialdom can locate all of his convictions.”
Sure, but this would be an search by category of charge/conviction not by name and would require an public database that aggregated searches in that manner. My state’s system lets you search under certain broad categories, criminal, probate, civil, etc. and name.
Oh, gosh, prostitutes with a heart of gold – that’s straight out of Hollywood (“Pretty Woman”).
Movies are often the slapping together of things, real or otherwise, which people are worried about at the time (or about which moviemakers want people to worry). This is painfully evident in Diamonds Are Forever, which is bad most of all because it is just a listing of topical concerns barely held together by the plot. It’s the reason a heavily armed survivalist briefly pops up in Highlander. One movie parallel to Taxi Driver was Hardcore, and one which preceded it but which probably informed it was Get Carter. All three are about rescuing young girls from prostitution, pornography, or both. All three are very cynical and require an anti-hero to rescue the girl (arguably except Hardcore, where it is her own father, but that movie argues that he is losing his soul in the process of savaging thugs). This is truly hard to understand in the age of Instagram and OnlyFans.
The only hooker story anyone needs to know is that of the “schoolteacher” from the 90s HBO documentaries. She made respectable money and spent all of it on heroin. At one point the NYPD forced a comedown on addicts — even where police were not interested in further prosecution, everyone was held long enough to get involuntarily clean. She described seeing her world clearly and not liking it one bit. The filmmaker asked, so what did you do? She answered that she got some drugs and felt much better.
Hardcore (from ’79) is by Hollywood standards, conservative. George C Scott and his Calvinist Midwestern family/culture are portrayed flatteringly, and George is shown to be (rightfully) shocked and horrified by the underbelly of LA. By ’79 there definitely was a conservative backlash. George at one point is so pissed off at an effette and disgusting looking porn actor that he beats him for info regarding the former’s daughter. By today’s jaded standards the movie can seem unintentionally funny, but back then a lot of middle aged people could’ve related to George’s naivete and shock. Interesting too that Schrader wrote George’s character to be a proficient businessman, as opposed to many movies after Circa-1990 portraying white Christian characters as trailer trash (and indeed per Charles Murray underclass folk are actually much less involved in religion).
Ah, thanks. Odd, he always struck me as a square.
I agree with you on Tarantino, segments of Kill Bill excepted, but if you haven’t seen Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, as an OP said, it is a hoot, had me laughing for most of the ending, lots of great and LOLworthy stuff before that, too, you should see it.
Also, careful reconstruction of places, never been there, but the highways, street scenes, very adjusted.
My only sticking point was the very sympathetic portrayal of Roman Polanski. Didn’t like that.
Otherwise, a great film.
Yall have never heard of Mr. White Folk??? He was a notorious gorilla, very violent, pimp in the Hells Kitchen section of NY back in the early to late 70s. At one time he had 15 bitches and 3 sissys on the stroll. That white man would not hesitate to use the pimp hand on any ho whose money aint straight. Sadly he was killed by a dago punk who fell in love with one of his sissys and called himself ‘saving her.’ Sleep well Mr. White Folk, sleep well.
fly away collars pendants and flares.
Also, careful reconstruction of places, never been there, but the highways, street scenes, very adjusted.
My only sticking point was the very sympathetic portrayal of Roman Polanski. Didn't like that.
Otherwise, a great film.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Bernie, @J.Ross
he saved his career with that film.
Then I had this one Indian Uber driver, who told me that I was lucky I didn't live in NYC and how it is being destroyed by - "I'm sorry to say this, sir, but..." - the blacks. He told me the problem was "the media" covering for the blacks and how "we" should solve this problem by rounding up "these journalists" and sentencing them to 20 years in prison with the blacks.
I thought, "Hmm, what a based Indian guy. I wonder if he voted for Trump."
He was so diametrically opposed to elite Indians in this country (med school, IT, etc.), it was quite amusing.Replies: @J.Ross, @anonymous, @AIDS-ridden faggot (with AIDS), @Ian M., @Bernie
I had similar experiences taking Uber when I lived in Oakland for a while in 2017. I particularly remember an Afghani with 6 kids who said he is leaving Oakland because of the blacks. A middle-aged female Asian driver pointed out her old restaurant when we passed it and mentioned she closed down as blacks kept robbing her.
Also, careful reconstruction of places, never been there, but the highways, street scenes, very adjusted.
My only sticking point was the very sympathetic portrayal of Roman Polanski. Didn't like that.
Otherwise, a great film.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Bernie, @J.Ross
The film has grown on me as well. Which is usually a good sign. Has a merciful lack of diversity.
Maybe he was Hispano-Jewish like that Yglesias fellow.
Bogdonovich was dating Dorothy when she was 20 and he was in his 40s. The little sister Louise was 12 when Dorothy was killed, so he was more of a parental figure to her. The father was not in in the picture so Bogdonovich was the only male adult around the family.
The pervert started dating her when she was in her mid teens.
A parental figure sexually exploiting a grieving minor. That’s Hollyweird for you
The White pimps of that era rented offices and ran escort services.
I wonder if this story is true. Movie people are very savvy about finding interesting locations, old vehicles machinery buildings wharves . Plus they use a lot of prostitutes why not ask one? Print up some business cards Looking for White pimp for movie. . Pass them around police and probation offices. Hallways in the criminal court building where the defense attorneys and clients wait for hearings. Those law offices in the buildings across the street from criminal courts. Oh, and the bail bondsmen offices near police stations.
Or any escort agency. White pimps work in offices. Or from home.
More I think about it I doubt the story is true.
Hookers and escort girls are nice to young girls because they want to recruit them. It’s part of the job to recruit new hookers.
There were massive recruiting efforts going on all the time. Because the burn out and death rate was high. Henchmen was the job title for apprentice pimps. They started out recruiting.
There are less blacks in Afghanistan than there are anywhere he can move here, so I guess he is going back?
I never watched any of those films. But I also found Ciminos’s The Deer Hunter overated. I guess I could never stand de Niro as an actor.
Not sure if it’s the actors or the director who make the film work. Because the script was ridiculous.
Also, careful reconstruction of places, never been there, but the highways, street scenes, very adjusted.
My only sticking point was the very sympathetic portrayal of Roman Polanski. Didn't like that.
Otherwise, a great film.Replies: @Wokechoke, @Bernie, @J.Ross
The sympathetic portrayal of Polanski, which has the one out that Polanski is objectively a great artist, has to be contrasted with Tarentino’s treatment of another objectively great artist, Elia Kazan. When Kazan won a lifetime achievement award, Tarentino was one of several audience members who refused to applaud, in outrage over Kazan’s anti-Communism.
Tarrantino would presumably have had other reasons for refusing to applaud.
Why would any of those people, so many years later, including Tarrantino, have cared about that?
Answer, obviously, almost all of the blacklisted were Jewish, and we all know who controls U.S. media.
Surprised to see that many sources make it 'HCUA' now, probably reflects the formal name, but I never saw it before.
I have seen very much cinema, but the ones said to be the best by Kazan are on a 'must-see but not seen' list.
Reading of his family history, many points indicate his having been of Jewish origin. Names of relatives, mother refusing to attend Christian services, ease of truncating name to make it sound Jewish (much like many of the ~ovitches or ~ovskys etc. in or from slavic lands).
Thank you for the push and info. I like to learn.
You got in a car with a female Asian driver? Madcap!
I don’t follow such celebrity award-show shit. Also, I’ve never heard of Kazan, Elia Kazan sounds like an Israeli name, but I will likely look it up tomorrow.
Tarrantino would presumably have had other reasons for refusing to applaud.
Excuse my earlier reply. I looked up Kazan’s history, so the refusal to applaud was all about HUAC.
Why would any of those people, so many years later, including Tarrantino, have cared about that?
Answer, obviously, almost all of the blacklisted were Jewish, and we all know who controls U.S. media.
Surprised to see that many sources make it ‘HCUA’ now, probably reflects the formal name, but I never saw it before.
I have seen very much cinema, but the ones said to be the best by Kazan are on a ‘must-see but not seen’ list.
Reading of his family history, many points indicate his having been of Jewish origin. Names of relatives, mother refusing to attend Christian services, ease of truncating name to make it sound Jewish (much like many of the ~ovitches or ~ovskys etc. in or from slavic lands).
Thank you for the push and info. I like to learn.