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When I first became interested in the public affairs in the late 1960s-early 1970s, Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas was omnipresent, constantly on book tours promoting his latest book.

I’ve only now figured out it was because he was broke because he was on his fourth wife, who was 22 when they married.

I’m assuming Mrs. Douglas had all her adult teeth by that point and this is just a smudged old file photo.

Let’s hope.

 
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  1. usNthem says:

    She looks more like twelve. Lecherous old goat.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @George
    , @Anon
    , @AndrewR
  2. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:

    We need to demystify the “honorable people “who sit on benches. A lot of judges are corrupt. And they’re all human.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    , @Adept
  3. She was just losing her baby teeth.

    • LOL: Bardon Kaldian, TWS, mc23
  4. prosa123 says:

    His first wife, whom he married as a young man, was several years older than he was.

  5. songbird says:

    I sometimes wish there was a photographic database of politicians and public figures.

    My grandfather had a picture of a fellow sitting at a desk with an American flag. Never could figure out who he was.

    • Replies: @ginger bread man
  6. JR Ewing says:

    I am a couple of decades past my twenties and am happily married, but every now and then I still remember the allure of those 20-something girls. He had a chance and he took it…. twice.

  7. No, her teeth were messed up, and she probably had dentures in her 20s, which wasn’t that uncommon back then. The woman is a lot less attractive if you look at her and see a kind of grotesque Mia Farrow thing going on.

  8. I’m assuming Mrs. Douglas had all her adult teeth by that point and this is just a smudged old file photo.

    Or maybe she had adult summer teeth? 🧐

  9. @prosa123

    His first wife, whom he married as a young man, was several years older than he was.

    From Macron to Berlusconi in one lifetime! No wonder he thought he was presidential timber.

  10. JimDandy says:
    @usNthem

    Was that considered outrageous back then? I’m guessing it wasn’t as big a deal. That’s one of the more egregious aspects of the #Metoo cancel machine. Things change pretty steadily, and, of course, the outrage is selective. When Bowie died, I don’t recall much grousing over the fact that he had threesome with 15 year old groupies.

  11. Daniel H says:

    Very nice dress on the young Mrs. Douglas. Young women were nicely accoutered back in the 60s .

  12. The judge’s son — William O Douglas Jr. — tried his hand at acting, but with just a handful of minor parts. He appeared in PT109 and most notably four Outer Limits episodes, but three of these only in various special effects or monster garb. No wonder his name sounded familiar!

    Douglas Sr. met his very young fourth wife while she was still a college student, working as a waitress over the summer at Mount Saint Helens Lodge in Washington State.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Thomas
  13. anon[216] • Disclaimer says:
    @prosa123

    His pattern much resembles Hemingway’s, right down to the fourth, last and youngest wife standing by him and his legacy.

  14. Unit472 says:

    Obviously the media back then kept top officials private lives out of the headlines. It took Wilbur Mills fighting with an Argentine stripper in the pool at the National Mall to get a headline. What the Kennedy’s did after hours was off limits. The door really opened with Gary Hart( pence) being found with the lovely Donna Rice in his lap on a yacht named Monkey Business. If the National Enquirer found it newsworthy it was hard for the MSM to ignore because the Enquirer had more readers.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    , @FPD72
    , @Lurker
  15. SafeNow says:

    Billy Joel was 55 when he married his third wife, who was 23. This served as the basis for a very clever short story years ago. Spoiler alert, but you’ll probably never read the short story…

    A fellow is on a golf vacation in Florida for a few days when he emerges from the shower in the hotel bathroom to hear the very end of a tv report: “Billy Joel, age 55.” He assumes Billy Joel is dead, because after all, they never end a news story by giving the person’s age, unless the person has just died. Well, he tells his buddies Billy died, and they are away from news stories for a few days, and the golf vacation is sort of sad because they spend it reminiscing. The guy returns to his house to New York, and says to his wife, what a tragedy that Billy Joel is dead. Of course his wife basically says, you idiot, what are you talking about? And then they unwind the nature of his misunderstanding: Billy had married this young chick at his age 55 – – !! – – and so that’s how they ended the tv story.

  16. Alyosha says:
    @JimDandy

    marrying a 22 year old as an old man, no, while it was seen as strange or maybe questionable by some it obviously wouldn’t get a mob of public opinion to all write to newspapers en masee. 12 year old would though, and likely more.

  17. Anonymous[275] • Disclaimer says:

    My understanding is that elected representatives aren’t allowed to rake in speaking fees while in office. (They’re only allowed to collect six figures for speeches after they leave, which I’m sure makes a huge difference.) I’m not sure if this applies to judges, but if it does, SCOTUS might have missed out on the more lucrative rackets that legislators and presidents have enjoyed over the past 40 odd years. (Which just goes to show, yet again, that the judiciary is the minor leagues of politics.)

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @bomag
    , @AceDeuce
  18. S Johnson says:
    @prosa123

    She was a teacher at his high school in Minnesota. In “Parks and Recreation” another Midwestern public servant, Ron Swanson, trades in his first wife, Tammy, his former Bible school teacher, for a younger Tammy, eventually coming to loathe them both.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @R.G. Camara
  19. I’ve only now figured out it was because he was broke because he was on his fourth wife, who was 22 when they married

    LOL what do you mean YOU figured it out?! I’m the one who told this to you this morning!

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/roe-v-wade-were-the-beatles-english-protestants-or-irish-cat/#comment-5414294

    • LOL: Right_On
  20. @SafeNow

    i worked at sony music back then and word went out to every exec and exec assistant that mr joel was looking for eligible young women to meet…we were calling all the girls we knew to see if any of them wanted to date ol billy, but it was a hard sell. he aint no bruce or bob.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  21. @JimDandy

    According to this link Steve posted,

    https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,899281,00.html

    within hours of the announcement of the Judge’s new matrimony, there were four resolutions in Congress for Douglas to be investigated (for what I’m not sure). A Dem congressman called for him to be removed from office. Bob Dole made a more droll remark.

    So it sounds liked the DC establishment did consider it pretty outrageous. And did try to cancel him.

  22. usNthem says:
    @JimDandy

    Well I guess that kind of thing has been a thing as long as there’ve been lecherous old goats and nubile young babes – ie. throughout history. Perhaps it seems a bit more out of place in the “I am woman, hear me roar” age…

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  23. JimDandy says:
    @Almost Missouri

    The tone of the article is jocular, and acknowledges the meaninglessness of the grumbling:

    “The resolutions and half a dozen floor speeches probably were an embarrassment to Douglas, but were hardly likely to lead to an investigation, let alone the first successful impeachment of a Supreme Court Justice in the nation’s history.”

  24. J.Ross says:

    OT News out of Arizona, definite pattern of fraud established. Someone pulled the fire alarm during an expert presentation (the adults, ladies and gentlemen). It is now very likely that more non-RINO state level officials will withdraw their certification from or otherwise impugn the 2020 disaster.
    What does that mean?
    Nothing, not right away, it’s merely another sign of flailing Democrats, increasingly angry Republicans, and still completely irrelevant Bushmen with their clicks and their ability to find water. There is no procedure for removing a sitting president for a fraudulent election. But there is impeachment, which already was a possibility if the Mike Pence wing of the GOP doesn’t botch November. If multiple states withdraw recognition, impeachment for fraud becomes very likely, and then you have things read into the Congressional record (in addition to the other things which could warrant impeachment, like the completely voluntary and strategically treasonous war on energy).

  25. There has been a creeping infantilization of society for a while now. As a Gen Xer, for me it was pretty much assumed you’d move out of your parents house when you graduated high school, either to go off to college, or to get a job.

    Go back a generation further, and no one would have batted an eye at a 22 year old deciding who she wanted to marry, even a much older man.

    From a personal responsibility standpoint, society has moved backwards. Thank goodness, society has moved forward with regards to dental hygiene!

  26. J.Ross says:
    @onetwothree

    Wow, the short hair and elfin face actually make her look even younger.

    • Agree: Bubba
  27. @Anonymous

    Supreme Court Justices tend to lecture at this expensive summer school for lawyers during the Salzburg Opera Festival in Austria. I don’t remember how they are compensated? Money? Opera tickets? There will be a rush of decisions released around now because the festival starts on July 18.

    • LOL: JR Ewing
  28. Steve — In case you never noticed, there is a William O. Douglas nature center in Franklin Canyon, which is in your neck of the woods for hiking. (And is incidentally a hidden LA gem that is unknown to most people in the area for some reason).

    https://nicelocal.com/los-angeles/public_services/william_o_douglas_outdoor_classroom_and_sooky_goldman_nature_center/

  29. @onetwothree

    That looks less like a married couple than like a pop star and her manager being interviewed by Dick Clark.

    • LOL: Bubba
  30. JimDandy says:
    @Alyosha

    12, yeah. But… how about 14? True, Elvis didn’t marry her when she was 14, but… and it wasn’t THAT long ago that People Magazine was cooing over the cute couple that Seinfeld and Shoshonna made. He started dating her when she was 17 and he was 38? 39?

    Seinfeld is very uncancelled.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    , @Mike Tre
  31. Daniel H says:

    My grandfather was 55 when he married my grandmother who was 18 at the time. My grandfather was born in 1860.

  32. @S Johnson

    In “Parks and Recreation” another Midwestern public servant, Ron Swanson, trades in his first wife, Tammy, his former Bible school teacher, for a younger Tammy, eventually coming to loathe them both.

    So that’s why my brother-in-law named his pet pig after that character. Not a cute little potbelly, but a hairy and grossly overfed Kunekune. And he had two of ’em.

  33. @SafeNow

    Joel’s 3rd wife (Katie Lee) was actually just 23 when they got married, and he was 55. Katie Lee is only 5 years older than his daughter (Alexa Rae); wife Katie Lee was 23, Alexa Rae was 18.

    Weirdly, the marriage was actually welcomed by Joel’s family; Alexa Rae was maid of honor, and ex-wife (2nd wife ) Christine Brinkley attended and gave the couple their blessing (apparently, unlike with his 1st wife, Christine and Joel are actually quite close friends. Brinkley likes to brag that after she and Joel divorced he wrote no more hit songs, so she deserves the credit somehow.).

    During their marriage, Katie Lee the was the original host of Top Chef in the 1st season — but left, and was replaced by the ravishing Padma Lakshmi, who is far more associated with the show.

    Joel and Lee eventually got divorced. Lee is currently some sort of cooking show dilettante, appearing in various food judge/critic capacities on the Food Network, Cooking Network, and beyond.

    Meanwhile, Joel’s 1st wife was some sort of sociopathic headcase femme fatale, who once tried to get a half-drugged, half-unconscious Joel to sign over the rights to all his music while he was lying in a hospital bed. She was originally the wife of Joel’s bandmate in the 1970s but seduced Joel in secret, seeing Joel as the one with the brighter future. Joel later compared his 1st wife to the Borgia family.

  34. George says:
    @usNthem

    He married her, put her officially on his pension plan plus health and more to the point dental, so one man one woman not quite forever, so it’s ok in a protestant sort of way.

    Memorials in Washington DC
    An interactive map of commemorative works in the nation’s capital.

    Justice William Douglas
    Chesapeake & Ohio Canal and 30th St NW

    Description
    (1898-1980) U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice. With a term lasting 36 years, he is the longest-serving justice in the history of the Supreme Court. He was honored for saving the C & O Canal.

    https://www.ncpc.gov/memorials/detail/20/

  35. Twinkie says:
    @Known Fact

    Douglas Sr. met his very young fourth wife while she was still a college student, working as a waitress over the summer at Mount Saint Helens Lodge in Washington State.

    There was something wrong in the brains with both of them.

  36. It was 1966 and she was a nobody from the back end of nowhere, which is why she was marrying a man 40 years her senior. Lots of people from her social cohort had dental caries knock out one or more teeth by their 20s.

    Justice Douglas’s toothy grin is probably dentures.

    I think this is her, and she is now known as Cathleen Douglas Stone:

    https://www.bostonharbornow.org/people/cathleen-douglas-stone/

    • Replies: @George
    , @Andy
    , @Jim Christian
    , @Corn
  37. @Anonymous

    I had a writing teacher once who used to get pissed off that lawyers, legal opinions, and news reports about legal opinions would usually use the term “The Court” instead of the judge’s name who wrote or did anything.

    He pointed out that this was a psychological trick to make people think of it as emanating from a reserved, detached, neutral, robotic, august institution instead of just people writing opinions. He said it caused reverence that shouldn’t exist. He urged us when writing about court actions to identify the judge by name and make them the people who did things, not The Court.

    He said if more people just realized that judge’s were just politicians in robes we’d get a lot better kind of judges since we’d treat them as politicians and lobby them/castigate them/throw them out the same as we did for other pols, and we wouldn’t take their opinions as gospel but merely as political propaganda pieces. Naming the judge’s as the author of their actions instead of “the court” was the first step.

    • Agree: Daniel H
  38. @usNthem

    It wore a little thin by the time of Anna Nicole Smith and J. Howard Marshall. But as long as there are grossly rich old men and superficial gold diggers — which will be as long as humans exist, one way or another — we’ll get fresh examples.

    • Agree: usNthem
  39. @Steve Sailer

    Supreme Court Justices tend to lecture at this expensive summer school for lawyers during the Salzburg Opera Festival in Austria. I don’t remember how they are compensated? Money? Opera tickets?

    Swiss bank account numbers?

    • Replies: @Bubba
  40. @MEH 0910

    The Mamie in the picture was then-45-year-old Mamie Van Doren, and Lee was Lee Meyers, her third husband. This particular issue of Esquire was the first time the term “Peter Principle” was ever used in print.

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Forbes
  41. Thomas says:
    @Known Fact

    Douglas Sr. met his very young fourth wife while she was still a college student, working as a waitress over the summer at Mount Saint Helens Lodge in Washington State.

    That explains the teeth.

    • Replies: @Curle
  42. OT (out of Texas), jobs Americans won’t do– dying en masse in container trucks:

    46 migrants have been found dead inside a semi-truck in San Antonio and 16 have been hospitalized, authorities say

    Kamala Harris was nowhere to be seen.

  43. Certainly Sailer has no morals. Neither does anyone else in the news industry. Nerds in general can’t seem to understand when they do wrong. Instead they believe they have some divine right to judge mere mortals while they themselves are beyond criticism.

    You have no morals. Wrap your pointy head around that and stop rationalizing doing wrong.

  44. anon[105] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of old coots and the young…

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Old Prude
  45. He’s a lawyer, and he gave up his biometric info so that the authorities could have an easier time going through all of his notes and communications, etc.

    Seizing everyone’s electronic devices is now standard operating procedure for the Democrats. They did the same with James O’Keefe of Project Veritas (his whole staff in fact); Rudy Giuliani, etc.

    Unrelated FBI comment:

    These examples serve to show how critical electronic evidence has become in the course of our investigations and how timely, reliable access to it is imperative to ensuring public safety.

    Meanwhile Hillary was allowed to decide which of her emails she’d permit investigators to see, and which (30,000+) she’d flush.

    My question (IANAL): Shouldn’t these lawyers know better than to give up the entirety of their personal data so readily? Are our search-and-seizure laws out of date? Surely I’m missing something here.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    , @Anonymous
  46. Never mind the Old Days. What about the New Days? The Next Days?

    Did anybody here have any clue that this was going on in Honduras?

    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/model-city-monday-62722

  47. And we’re supposed to take these little victories wherever we can get them…

    New York City’s Noncitizen Voting Law Struck Down

    Staten Island judge says measure violates state constitution

    A judge struck down a New York City law would have allowed lawful permanent residents or those authorized to work in the U.S. to vote in municipal elections.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-citys-noncitizen-voting-law-struck-down-11656354225

    Elected State Supreme Court judge, previously appointed by Rudy Giuliani.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  48. J.Ross says:

    OT — If ever there was a 4chan thread to look at, this is among them. Anon claiming to be a headshrinker describes not only the damaging effects of social media on youth but how society’s leadership misreads this. Excerpts follow link:
    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/384291122

    What was crazy is that when we talked to private clinics as well as schools that offer in-house counseling (it’s obviously not very good but it’s something), we found out that 80% of high school kids in counseling were basically just making up their issues to appear trendy and because the internet told them they had issues. We have had to slowly instruct schools to roll back policies on anxiety (like allowing kids an extra hour to write tests) and turn away pretty much everyone except the extreme cases because larping trannies and “i have anxiety because my cat died and dad yelled at me once” are clogging the system like you wouldn’t believe.

    [BPD is bad and amounts to underfathering, currently endemic, 19% rather than 2% of population]

    3) Activism Campaigns Don’t Work
    At the turn of the 2010’s a lot of us went to various seminars on social media and how it was the “way of the future” when connecting with youth and just everyday people. At the time we drank the kool-aid but ten years later it has been a false lead and we’ve wasted tons of money.
    Boomers, who are in charge of our marketing/awareness campaigns campaigns, have a very \$&#@ed up view of social media. They envision Twitter as how it theoretically works on paper – 240 character posts by everyday citizens of Texas – and not how it works in practice.

    They think the opinions people post are real and logical. They don’t realize how many people @^\$#post or lazily scroll through without really putting any thought into what they read, or treat it as a WWE version of a bathroom wall.
    We have spent thousands of our budget on social media campaigns, or creating our own in-house videos on places like YouTube to “spread awareness”, only for it to do literally nothing. Our friends north of the border (Canada) have met a similar fate. A cell provider has been trying to run a twitter campaign for years, and it has resulted in nothing but bot posts and people competing for twitter clout.
    https://www.bardown.com/habs-fan-promises-to-get-a-leafs-tattoo-if-her-bellletstalk-tweet-reaches-certain-retweet-count-1.1249462
    The most retarded activism campaign is any variant of “end the stigma.” There’s a legitimate REASON there is a stigma; crazy people can fuck up your life, and it’s only natural to avoid them. “End the stigma” was created by soccer moms and perpetual university students who have never lived through a mental health crisis themselves along with often BPDs who delude themselves that their disorder is just “too much empathy” and get worried that people will see BPD for what it actually is, resulting in them being abandoned.

    If someone is asking for money, or doing their own independent push for awareness, or whatever weird indie facebook page they come up with this week, there is a chance the person at the core of it all is basically trying to make money on a public speaking career because they can’t hold a real job and have a weird fetish of retelling their story over and over again.
    We see this #&\$# all the time in our field and at least in our district we have a policy where we don’t associate with any outsiders because the well has been poisoned. Do not even remotely engage with these people. If they really wanted to get their story out, they wouldn’t be doing public appearances at all, but instead have a free video on youtube that you can watch.

  49. Wokechoke says:
    @MEH 0910

    the woman at bottom corner right looks like Sarah Ferguson.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  50. @S Johnson

    Much like Newt Gingrich — his first wife was his high school teacher, and then he went about cheating and marrying a number of younger women afterwards. Newt, too, is a prolific writer, and thinks himself presidential timber.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  51. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Alyosha

    Congress literally tried to impeach him for it.

  52. Mike Tre says:
    @JimDandy

    Exactly – middle to late aged men would take very young wives after their original wives would die in childbirth. Seems pretty natural for any man who desired to have more children. Men are programmed to be attracted to women in their child bearing years anyway, regardless of their age.

    Of course now, we are taught that degenerate homosexual, tranny, fluid, etc. relationships are perfectly normal, but an older man with a younger woman?! That’s literally pedohitlerphilia!

    • Agree: fish, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Guest007
    , @Anonymous
  53. they both got teeth like a picket fence goin downhill

  54. Art Deco says:

    Note, he was also given to extensive adventure vacations with his various wives. It’s a reasonable inference his clerks were doing his work for him and that the justices who weren’t exploiting young lawyers in this way were working banker’s hours.

    He was, in his last years, estranged from his children. When their mother died, they didn’t bother to tell him.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @bomag
  55. Andy says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Here she is now with presumably her second husband:

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    , @kaganovitch
  56. Anon[126] • Disclaimer says:

    From waitress to wife of SC judge. She should have held out, obviously.

    • Replies: @Barnard
  57. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @usNthem

    Are you kidding me? She looks like a 45 year old crackhead with bad oral hygiene.

  58. slumber_j says:
    @Unit472

    If the National Enquirer found it newsworthy it was hard for the MSM to ignore because the Enquirer had more readers.

    This dynamic was recapitulated in the much more recent case of Sen. John Edwards’ bastard child.

  59. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alyosha

    It wasn’t considered strange to marry a 22 year old. Which was way older back then than it is today.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Muggles
  60. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Ew. If I only had an unsee key. She’s an ugly old slag. Looks like she got an implant or bridge. Didn’t change the basic picture.

  61. bomag says:
    @Anonymous

    …SCOTUS might have missed out on the more lucrative rackets

    I’d say they are compensated with power sans the retail headaches of the other offices.

    And their power has grown in the modern age, with the courts delivering more and more political decisions.

  62. Anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    I find natural (curves, wrinkles, and all) women around my age the most attractive, physically. The older my wife gets the more attractive I find her. I can’t imagine any man over 50 finding any women under 40 attractive in a potential partner sense. A women in her 20’s?? 🤮

    Yeah, yeah, I’ve heard all the biological determinism BS about men being attracted to the most fertile women. I guess at one time this was true for me as well until I grew older.

  63. Hhsiii says:

    She was kinda cute a few years later with a bit longer hair and more womanly.

    The one before her was very attractive I’d say.

    The inspiration for Oliver Wendell Douglas. Lawyer. Lover of the countryside. Although Eva Gabor was a more typical and TV palatable 15 years younger. And Eddie Albert looked about the same age as his mother and mother-in-law.

    Always getting outfoxed by Mr. Haney. Pat Buttram did have a bit of a William Brennan look.

  64. bomag says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I read once where Nixon considered making a big push to impeach Douglas.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  65. Corn says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Lots of people from her social cohort had dental caries knock out one or more teeth by their 20s

    .

    My parents and their siblings were born in the 40s and early ‘50s and all had multiple caries, fillings etc.

    Boomers and preceding generations really had awful teeth compared to today.

  66. Adept says:
    @Anonymous

    The legal profession attracts very strange, indeed warped, personalities, and judges are the worst of them all. They are rarely honorable, and yet are rarely motivated by money, for most judges are lawyers who would make much more money in private practice. Instead they are motivated almost solely by social status and by the exercise of power over their fellow man. The people who become professional judges are the last people who we should want deciding legal matters. The Athenians and Romans, in their wisdom, understood this — we never have, in an error almost unparalleled.

    • Replies: @bomag
    , @Art Deco
  67. Anon[497] • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of unusual marital setups, Lindy “Shout your abortion” West, subject of some iSteve articles, is helping lead the way towards the polygamy Steve has been predicting, one led by African men.

    https://www.mamamia.com.au/lindy-west-husband/

  68. Mike Tre says:

    OT: 29yr old prior Navy father of three tranny beats 13 yeah old girl to win skateboard contest. No relation:

    https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/trans-woman-beats-13-year-old-in-womens-skateboarding-contest/

    • Replies: @Anon
  69. I’m surprised the name of Senator Strom Thurmond (1902 – 2003) hasn’t come up. From Wikipedia:

    First marriage
    Thurmond was 44 when he married his first wife, Jean Crouch (1926–1960). In April 1947, when Crouch was a senior at Winthrop College, Thurmond was a judge in a beauty contest in which she was selected as Miss South Carolina. In June, upon her graduation, Thurmond hired her as his personal secretary. On September 13, 1947, Thurmond proposed marriage by calling Crouch to his office to take a dictated letter. The letter was to her, and contained his proposal of marriage. Thirteen years later in 1960, Crouch died of a brain tumor at age 33; they had no children.

    Second marriage
    Thurmond married his second wife, Nancy Janice Moore, on December 22, 1968. He was 66 years old and she was 22. She had won Miss South Carolina in 1965. At age 68 in 1971, Thurmond fathered the first of four children with Nancy.

    • Replies: @B36
    , @Hhsiii
  70. To quote an exchange in the movie “Old School “, between Mitch (Luke Wilson) and Beanie (Vince Vaughn), after Mitch realizes the chick he slept with at a college party was his boss’s daughter…who’s still in high school.

    Mitch: I could go to jail for this!
    Beanie: For what? Being awesome?!?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  71. @MEH 0910

    This was back when Esquire was a fun and interesting magazine.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
  72. Abe says:
    @Almost Missouri

    within hours of the announcement of the Judge’s new matrimony, there were four resolutions in Congress for Douglas to be investigated…. So it sounds liked the DC establishment did consider it pretty outrageous. And did try to cancel him.

    There was this weird fact I’d recently learned about one of the Supreme Court Justices cancelling/ruling unconstitutional the Vietnam War as it crawled towards its ignominious conclusion- not in camera with a majority of other justices, but as a unilateral decision delivered on high from his mountain retreat. Was trying to remember if I got this from our maestro (Steve) but I think it was in the recent Ken Burns VIETNAM WAR documentary.

    Looked it up on Wikipedia and, yep, the rouge justice was Douglas, who had to be overruled by an emergency conclave of the other justices (including that rock-ribbed originalist Thurgood Marshall). So I think there was something else behind the opprobrium surrounding Douglas’s last marriage:

    Douglas now outspokenly argued the war was illegal, dissenting whenever the Court passed on an opportunity to hear such claims. In 1968 Douglas issued an order blocking the shipment of Army reservists to Vietnam, before the eight other justices unanimously reversed him.

    In Schlesinger v. Holtzman (1973) Justice Thurgood Marshall issued an in-chambers opinion declining Rep. Elizabeth Holtzman’s request for a court order stopping the military from bombing Cambodia. The Court was in recess for the summer but the Congresswoman reapplied, this time to Douglas. Douglas met with Holtzman’s ACLU lawyers at his home in Goose Prairie, Washington, and promised them a hearing the next day. On Friday, August 3, 1973, Douglas held a hearing in the Yakima federal courthouse, where he dismissed the Government’s argument that he was causing a “constitutional confrontation” by saying, “we live in a world of confrontations. That’s what the whole system is about.” On August 4, Douglas ordered the military to stop bombing, reasoning “denial of the application before me would catapult our airmen as well as Cambodian peasants into the death zone.” The U.S. military ignored Douglas’s order. Six hours later the eight other justices reconvened by telephone for a special term and unanimously overturned Douglas’s ruling.

  73. Michelle says:

    Well, she wasn’t his first cousin, that’s a good thing!

  74. FPD72 says:
    @Unit472

    Hart[pence] challenged the media to surveil him. I guess only the Enquirer took him up. Even before that his relationship with a Native American spirit guide was public knowledge.

  75. dearieme says:
    @Art Deco

    He was, in his last years, estranged from his children.

    That’s probably because he was an unmitigated shitbag. Though perhaps not quite as vile as LBJ, I’ll grant you.

  76. Wilkey says:
    @JimDandy

    Was that considered outrageous back then? I’m guessing it wasn’t as big a deal

    One possibility is that back in the day before full-scale feminism, many women may have chosen to marry prominent men as a way to increase their status. That still is the case, of course, but less so since women think their job as a junior assistant marketing exec somehow makes them power players.

    Douglas by all reports was considered a terrible justice, even by those who shared most of his politics. He’s a good example of men who embrace feminism not to liberate women, but to liberate men to treat women like trash.

    Nowadays, of the three liberal justices, only one has children, and the other two are barren. When Ketanji Brown Jackson takes her place on the Court she will be the only of the Courts three liberal women to have children (she has two) and she will up the number of Protestants to two. Some aspects of her bio – she is married to a white man, and an uncle was a police chief – provide me with some small (almost certainly futile) hope that she will be somewhat more conservative than the Left expects. And perhaps she will be swayed somewhat by Justice Thomas.

  77. Icy Blast says:
    @prosa123

    Well that changes everything! Those right-wingers are always slandering well-intentioned public servants – like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden!

  78. usNthem says:
    @Wilkey

    I wonder if she knows whether or not her daughters are female?

  79. epebble says:

    OT: There was news that there is a run on the Plan B pills and pharmacies are limiting purchases. That reminded me of this classic episode from 1995.

    CVS and Walmart are rationing Plan B in response to Roe decision
    https://news.yahoo.com/cvs-walmart-rationing-plan-b-222636801.html

  80. @Wilkey

    Somewhat amusingly KBJ has a convoluted connection by marriage to former Rep. Paul Ryan: Paul Ryan’s wife’s sister’s husband is the twin brother of Brown-Jackson’s husband.

  81. William O. Douglas served on the Supreme Court longer than any other justice. He stayed on well past his prime, even after his mental faculties had severely declined. He fell asleep during oral arguments and sometimes addressed people by the wrong name. The other Justices secretly agreed not to allow him to write any opinions or cast any decisive votes. If the other eight Justices were evenly divided on a particular case, they agreed to carry it over to the next term rather than allowing Douglas to decide it. His law clerks called him “shithead” (behind his back, of course).

    • Replies: @Corn
  82. @Almost Missouri

    …there were four resolutions in Congress for Douglas to be investigated (for what I’m not sure).

    Because Congress was jealous.

  83. bomag says:
    @Adept

    The people who become professional judges are the last people who we should want deciding legal matters.

    I’d say we get some of the best… and some of the worst on the bench.

    The usual dynamic: get some with a knack for sorting the issues. And plenty there purely for the power.

  84. Lurker says:
    @Unit472

    Wilbur Mills fighting with an Argentine stripper in the pool at the National Mall

    Who among us has not done similar from time to time?

    • LOL: Corn, bomag
  85. Jefferson was correct. Manifestation of superfluous “judgment”.

  86. Corvinus says:
    @Matthew Kelly

    “after Mitch realizes the chick he slept with at a college party was his boss’s daughter…who’s still in high school”

    I’m sure you as a proud papa of nubile underage daughters will be ecstatic when they get their cherry popped by 30 something men.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @jejej
  87. Anon[226] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Mike Tre

    “Four of the six finalists were under the age of 17, with the youngest being 10-year-old Juri Iikura, who came in fifth. At 29, Tres was the oldest contestant.”

    Easily the funniest thing I’ve read in a while.

  88. Jefferson is correct. Unnecessary.

  89. Jack D says:
    @Anon

    Which was way older back then than it is today

    .

    If 22 was older then, then 68 was a LOT older. At 68 you had one foot in the grave. Douglas was born in the 19th century. He was old enough to be his wife’s grandfather.

    In those days it wouldn’t be unusual for a successful man at the height of his career to trade in for a younger trophy wife – for example in 1993, 46 year old Donald Trump ditched his 1st wife whose springs were starting to sag for a brand new 29 year old Maples. However, a 68 year old marrying a 22 year old was ALWAYS strange.

  90. Mike Tre says:

    OT – Hunter Biden shows how it’s done to get the ladies:

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
  91. prosa123 says:
    @Jim Christian

    Given that she was 22 back in 1966 when she married Douglas she is 77 or 78 today.

  92. Jack D says:
    @Wilkey

    back in the day before full-scale feminism, many women may have chosen to marry prominent men as a way to increase their status.

    Despite the odds, they remained married for the rest of his life (another 14 years). It’s notable though that Douglas only had children with his very 1st wife.

    Before she married, the 4th Mrs. Douglas was a college student from W. Nowhere with a summer waitressing job, so being the wife of a Supreme Ct. Justice was a MAJOR increase in status. She went on to get her own law degree and become a corporate lawyer so she was not as dumb as she looked. Her current husband, Jim Stone is the founder and CEO of an insurance company. She even managed to have kids with husband #2.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  93. @onetwothree

    She looks like one of the many runaway waifs that found a family in Manson. Charlie liked them young, and passed them out at Hollywood parties. The intersection between Manson and Roman Polanski is interesting. The ties between Manson and a domestic CIA operation has now been well-established. Pimping out jailbait to cultural bigwigs was one of his assignments. The LAPD found a cache of video tapes at the murder house on Cielo Drive. Home video systems was new technology in 1969. Roman used it for private pornos featuring his bad elf self and Sharon. The tapes also caught Hollywood stars in flagrante delicto. I would like to see the one with Yul Brynner in it. Alas, the tapes disappeared whilst in LAPD custody. How surprising. It appears that Roman was playing the Jeffrey Epstein role in the late 60s Tinsel Town scene.

  94. @Wilkey

    “provide me with some small (almost certainly futile) hope …”

    Keep hitting the hopium pipe, junky. The black lady judge is a she-goblin.

  95. Flip says:

    I wonder why he didn’t bother to have children with his two young wives. That sort of seems like the point to me.

  96. Flip says:

    King William III of the Netherlands married a 21 year old German princess at 62 because his sons had died and he needed an heir. Her comment when she was approached was “I wouldn’t mind being the queen of the Netherlands.”

  97. @Jim Christian

    She’s 78. Most of us will look like slags when we’re 78.

  98. Guest007 says:
    @Mike Tre

    When a president was a widower such as Tyler, B. Harrison, Wilson, the second wife was usually the same age as the oldest daughter.

    • Replies: @prosa123
  99. bomag says:
    @Art Deco

    Often heard he was one of the laziest jurists.

    I read a chunk of his initial autobiography; notable that he would often mention how hard he worked. LOL.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  100. prosa123 says:
    @Anonymous

    I find natural (curves, wrinkles, and all) women around my age the most attractive, physically. The older my wife gets the more attractive I find her. I can’t imagine any man over 50 finding any women under 40 attractive in a potential partner sense. A women in her 20’s??

    Even if a 50+ man is physically attracted to a 20-something woman it’s going to be a difficult relationship simply because they’re going to have next to nothing in common. Their childhood and adolescent memories will be totally different, as will their preferences in basically all forms of entertainment and culture, and each one’s friends and same-age relatives will be way too old/young for the other. Even their political views are likely to differ: for example, the man will be greatly concerned with preserving Social Security and Medicare, while the woman could care less.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  101. Barnard says:
    @Anon

    She was a waitress at a nice resort while she was in college. If she was working there looking for a husband it seems like she could have done better. Read the retirement section on Douglas’s Wikipedia page, she wasted her fertile years taking care of him and was too old to have kids when he died. It is reasonable to assume he would have been very difficult to deal with after he was forced off the Court and she most likely had to split whatever inheritance there was with his kids. Doesn’t sound like that great a deal to me.

  102. prosa123 says:
    @Guest007

    When a president was a widower such as Tyler, B. Harrison, Wilson, the second wife was usually the same age as the oldest daughter.

    I doubt there’s any way to prove it, but it’s entirely possible that John Tyler’s still-living grandson is the only person in the country who has a grandparent born in the 1700’s. Any other claimant would have to be a very elderly person whose father and grandfather both had children at ages decades past the normal age range at which men have children. You have to jump all the way forward to Herbert Hoover to find another President with a living grandchild.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @Guest007
  103. Anonymous[761] • Disclaimer says:

    OT.

    A black female Subway (sandwiches) worker was shot and killed in Atlanta, Georgia yesterday for the great sin of, allegedly, “putting too much mayonnaise” in a sandwich.
    From a lack of screaming blue murder hysteria, one assumes that the killer was black too.

    Black Lives Matter – less than a dollop of mayonnaise.

    Or this particular black life was heavy with the splatter.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Buzz Mohawk
  104. MEH 0910 says:
    @Wokechoke

    the woman at bottom corner right looks like Sarah Ferguson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamie_Van_Doren

  105. Corn says:
    @Black Death

    I’ve mentioned this before, but a historian (David Garrow I think) once suggested there be a constitutional amendment mandating Supreme Court justices retire at age 75.

    His research indicated Douglas is hardly the only justice who’s stayed on past his sell-by date, and had clerks more or less act as shadow justices writing opinions for him.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jack D
  106. @SafeNow

    That third wife, Katie Lee, became a TV cooking personality. One imagines her career was helped by the marriage and resulting contacts. It just so happens that yesterday my wife cooked one of her recipes, Sesame Shrimp and Greens with Rice.

  107. Art Deco says:
    @HammerJack

    Pretty sure if he had an interim appointment, it would have been Mario Cuomo or George Pataki who made the appointment. As a mayor, Giuliani would fill vacancies on the municipal courts.

  108. Surprised no one mention that William O Douglas, longest serving justice, was utterly disabled when he retired: sleeping through orals, calling people by the wrong name, peeing his pants. His is the case in which a bunch of the justices said look, we need to just ignore his vote and not count it in 5-4 cases. Byron White was really pissed off by that, said Douglas needs to resign but if he doesn’t, the constitution doesn’t allow for this sort of machination. Douglas did resign, then he announced that he had “senior judge” status and could still sit in deliberations and have clerks. Was very annoyed when he was told he had to stop showing up at the courthousel.

    https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,913244,00.html
    https://www.sciencehistory.org/distillations/podcast/when-the-brain-deceives-itself

    • Troll: ScarletNumber
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @prosa123
  109. STOP PRESS

    Ghislaine gets 20 years. (I have no views on her guilt or otherwise on the charges, although it’s obvious she was procuring girls for Epstein.)

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/28/ghislaine-maxwell-sentencing-sex-trafficking-epstein

    Maxwell’s attorneys had pushed for leniency in sentencing, saying that she should receive “well below” the 20 years recommended by federal probation officials. Prosecutors pushed for a sentence of 30 to 55 years in prison.

    Maxwell, a former British socialite, was convicted on 29 December of five of the six charges she faced.

    In addition to sex trafficking, Maxwell was convicted of conspiracy to entice individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity, conspiracy to transport individuals under the age of 17 to travel in interstate commerce with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity; transportation of an individual under the age of 17 with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity; and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of individuals under the age of 18.

  110. prosa123 says:

    OT: According to Bank of America analysts, as quoted in CNN Business, Bed Bath & Beyond stores have begun shutting off their air conditioning systems in a desperate attempt to save money.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  111. Art Deco says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Bit different than Gingrich. Gingrich married three women in toto. One was 7 years his senior, one 8 years his junior, and one 23 years his junior. The first was 26, the second was 30, and the third was 34 at the time he married them. While married to the 2d, he was having a l/t affair with the 3d. He was having an affair with the 2d at the but end of his marriage to the 1st; there have been weakly-sourced contentions she was one of a number. Unlike most divorced men, he was the initiator of the divorce both times, de facto and perhaps de jure as well. The 2d wife was easy-on-the-eyes in her prime (and had a history with married men); the 3d looks like a mannequin with snap-on hair; the 1st was fat and goofy looking in her prime. Her daughters look nothing like her.

    Gingrich had 18 years with the 1st wife ‘ere they separated and 18 years with the 2d. He’s kept company with the 3d for 30 years, married for 22. He’s not known to be estranged from his children.

    Have a gander at this:

    It’s as if he and Matt Gaetz were manufactured at the same plant.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  112. Art Deco says:
    @bomag

    Ford when he was House minority leader. And it was quite out in the open.

  113. MEH 0910 says:
    @education realist

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_O._Douglas#Retirement

    One commentator has attributed some of his behavior after his stroke to anosognosia, which can lead an affected person to be unaware and unable to acknowledge disease in himself, and often results in defects in reasoning, decision-making, emotions, and feeling.[67]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes%27_Error

    Descartes’ Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain by Antonio Damasio
    Chapter 4, page 68:
    https://ahandfulofleaves.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/descartes-error_antonio-damasio.pdf

  114. prosa123 says:
    @education realist

    Douglas did resign, then he announced that he had “senior judge” status and could still sit in deliberations and have clerks. Was very annoyed when he was told he had to stop showing up at the courthouse.

    I’m surprised no one thought of the Salazar Solution. A bathtub fall in 1968 left Portuguese dictator Antonio Salazar brain damaged. His prime minister and cabinet replaced him with another leader. When he emerged from a month-long coma a month later, his aides decided to be merciful by pretending that he was still in power: he would sit in his usual office, they’d bring him papers to sign (which were discarded immediately afterwards), and people would meet with him and act like he was still in charge. This went on for almost two years until Salazar died.

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  115. tyrone says:
    @HammerJack

    Gestapo is hard at work…..the plan is to dirty up Trump and his inner circle with indictments…….Hillary is untouchable ,still murdering those who know to much.

  116. JR Ewing says:
    @Anonymous

    Agree that I have gotten older, I have found older women getting more attractive. What was once “too fat” is now acceptable (after all, who am I to talk?) and wrinkles and saggy skin? Meh. Doesn’t bother me like it used to.

    But I still find the 20-somethings attractive, too.

    Guess what I am saying is, my standards have declined and I’m less picky for sure.

  117. @Alyosha

    She may have been young, but she understood the meaning of legal terms like quid pro quo.

    • LOL: mc23
  118. @prosa123

    If they have a home and children and pets that will give them a lot of common interests.

    • Agree: Thea
    • Replies: @prosa123
  119. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @HammerJack

    Seizing everyone’s electronic devices is now standard operating procedure for the Democrats.

    These much-publicized seizures of “electronic devices,” with the background music of public requests that Apple decrypt phone contents, etc. are a MASSIVE MISDIRECTION.

    In reality, NSA, FBI, Apple, Google and (of course) the phone companies themselves intercept and analyze all electronic communications IN REAL TIME. Thus, only pictures taken on your own camera phone and never sent to anyone (thus probably less relevant) would NOT already be in the hands of the public/private Deep State.

    They don’t need your physical phone to review and catalog all your texts, transcribe your calls, and capture other useful data including data conveniently assembled by all those helpful apps. Your phone also serves as a beacon providing convenient minute-to-minute location information. apps.

    • Agree: Charon, J.Ross, mc23
    • Replies: @HammerJack
  120. @Art Deco

    Gingrich married three women in toto. One was 7 years his senior, one 8 years his junior, and one 23 years his junior.

    Sounds less like Douglas than like Mohammed:

    11 Wives of the Prophet Muhammad – Who Are They?

    According to this, child bride Aisha was born roughly 56 years after Mo’s first wife. He was no “pedophile”; what these two women had in common was that they were tickets to power.

  121. Muggles says:
    @Steve Sailer

    William O. Douglas was part of the majority decision (Komatsu v US) that upheld the unconstitutional interment of Japanese ethnic American citizens during WWII.

    Of course he was later hailed as a huge liberal icon for civil rights.

    No word on if he ever showered with his daughter.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    , @AnotherDad
  122. Muggles says:
    @Anon

    It wasn’t considered strange to marry a 22 year old. Which was way older back then than it is today.

    Pre Viagra.

    Doug back then probably wasn’t getting much, if anything. Dark times…

  123. @Steve Sailer

    Correct. St. Mary’s Law School in San Antonio (along with about 130 other American law schools) has a summer abroad program at their sister school in Innsbrook, Austria. The guest of honor was always a Supreme Court justice (it was Scalia the year I went). I don’t know what they paid them but it’s a pretty great perk to be treated like a god for the summer in the Alps. They spend the weekdays traveling around Europe and on the weekends have massive parties thrown for them at the home base in Innsbrook (fyi, Innsbrook is the most breathtakingly beautiful place I have ever seen in person…I paid for the law school loan-funded experience for ten years but it was the greatest summer of my life and money well spent).

  124. prosa123 says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Conversation that consists mainly of home and family gets boring quickly.

  125. @Stan Adams

    Sorry – I didn’t realize the picture would format so large. Feel free to discard the comment.

    Having thrown my mother and all of my other family members under the bus, I’m a bit overdue for a little karmic humiliation. So I’ve decided to post a shirtless picture of myself. (For those of you who don’t know, I’m morbidly obese.)

    My main function on this board is to provide documentation of the incel phenomenon. (My core competency in life is making other people glad they’re not me.) If you’re wondering what makes so many millennial guys so utterly unf**kable … just browse through my commenting history.

    WARNING: My gut is ample, but my manboobs are RIDICULOUS. Do NOT click on the More button unless you are absolutely certain that you can take it. I’m not kidding. I mean it. Do NOT click on the More button unless you are absolutely certain that you can stomach the sight of Stan Adams’ massive manboobs. I disavow any responsibility for any harm that the shock of seeing my big boy boobies might inflict on you. You have been warned.

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  126. @Muggles

    William O. Douglas was part of the majority decision (Komatsu v US) that upheld the unconstitutional interment of Japanese ethnic American citizens during WWII.

    By definition, if the Supreme Court upholds a law or executive order, it isn’t unconstitutional. Korematsu was never explicitly overturned nor did Congress pass any law ever refuting it. Having said that, mores have changed since 1944.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    , @Muggles
  127. Anonymous[330] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Tre

    You realize it wasn’t feminism or black rights activists or gays that made life so difficult for straight young men, right?

    It was no fault divorce. If 50% of all middle aged couples divorce, and 1/3 of the divorced middle aged men marry young women (age 20s and 30s) it means that 1/6th of the previously available young women are no longer going to marry young men.

    Incels blame feminists, blacks, and gays and it had nothing to do with them. It was always the middle aged alpha men, and stupid young gold digging women.

    We should ban n0-fault and heavily shame anyone who cheats on, beats, or deserts their spouse. We should also heavily shame young women if they are gold diggers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @prosa123
    , @AndrewR
  128. @JimDandy

    When Bowie died, I don’t recall much grousing over the fact that he had threesome with 15 year old groupies.

    I wonder if it will be mentioned when he passes that 28 year old Jimmy Page had a relationship with 14 year old Lori Maddox? He seems to have a pretty good public standing, and the outrage fetishists care more about people still in the limelight so his reputation might skirt by.
    That happened with a lot of those rock stars. Groupies were frequently teenage girls, runaways and the like, who adored the musicians and would let them do anything. The girls who hung around Abbey Road while the Beatles recorded were called Apple Scruffs, George Harrison had a song about them on All Things Must Pass.

    • Replies: @mc23
    , @JimDandy
  129. @ScarletNumber

    But six-million Japanese were murdered in those camps!

    • LOL: ScarletNumber
  130. And while Steve plays around with the Dead Supremes the total reset of the food supply to feed 2025’s 100 million Americans precedes apace.

    Another real(ish) food plant closes.
    Another shut up and eat your crickets plant opens.

    We’ve now hit 100 food plants closed or destroyed in the past 8 months.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/another-food-processing-plant-shutters-operations-adding-long-list-closures

  131. Mike Tre says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    If I recall there was at least one internment camp for ethnic Germans in the US during WWII. Can’t talk about those though. But if we do talk about it, well then by God they had it coming!

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
  132. @Buzz Mohawk

    We need to find out who was guarding those camps!

  133. anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks for that, Abe 71, Always interesting to see what CIA wants us to think on Wikipedia.

    The background was, the definition of aggression, UNGA (XXIX) Agenda Item 86, was set to become customary international law. That was everybody saying, Hey, remember Nuremberg? That was fun. Holtzman and Air Force dissidents asked the court to halt US bombardment of neutral Cambodia. That was the most indefensible crime, the slam dunk. The Supreme Court broke up with countermanding individual orders when Douglas enjoined the bombing. Here are the decisions.

    https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/414/1304.html
    https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/414/1321.html

    The panicked quorum fobbed the question off onto the Second Circuit, which threw up its hands and called illegal war non-justiciable.

    The hot potato of supreme court acquiescence naturally fell to Thurgood Marshall, one of America’s first black faces in the limousines. With the dignified authority of Prissy birthin’ babies, our ultimate judges held that the bombardment “may ultimately be adjudged to have been not only unwise but also unlawful.”

  134. B36 says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Interesting also that there is a 46 year gap between the birth of his first child (to a 15 or 16 year old African American maid named Carrie Butler) and his second child (to Nancy Moore).

  135. Hhsiii says:
    @Harry Baldwin

    Two Miss South Carolina’s. Now there’s a Gamecock.

    Best quote about a political rival: “He’s so weak he probably gets out of the shower to take a piss.”

    Perhaps apocryphal and if not he probably didn’t say weak.

  136. @Corn

    A single 18 year term per justice would make a lot of sense.

    • Agree: NOTA
  137. AndrewR says:
    @usNthem

    I assume she was a 22 year old who had lost a tooth in an era lacking many of the dental technologies we take for granted today. Both you and Steve should be ashamed of yourselves

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
    , @usNthem
  138. @bomag

    Douglas probably devoted way below average amount of time to his Supreme Court duties. On the other hand, he was constantly doing other stuff to make money to pay for all his marriages, such as visiting remote mountainous countries to write books about them. So he was probably extremely hard working over all, just not about Supreme Court stuff

  139. AndrewR says:
    @kaganovitch

    The prophet Mohammad’s first wife Khadija was fifteen years his elder.

    His youngest wife Aisha was 43 years younger than Mo. Her age when they married and consummated the marriage is a matter of dispute, but he would certainly be considered a pedophile by 21st century American standards.

    Reportedly, Khadija (who died the year before he married Aisha) was his favorite out of his thirteen wives, and Aisha was his second favorite.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  140. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Im 74 years old, born and raised in the U.S.A. And right now…I LOATHE THIS NATION!!!

  141. mc23 says:

    His wife looks much younger than 22 in this picture. Men marrying woman 50 years younger has always been accepted but it has always been considered pretty shameless by most people.

    Not the best qualities in a Chief Justice, shamelessness and a venial disposition. Even in ancient Greece and Roman he would have been ridiculed.

    Of course his wife was able to freely assent to the match. Perhaps she needed dental insurance, more likely she thought she could kill the old rouge with kindness in 5 years and move on.

    • Replies: @Adept
    , @Charlesz Martel
  142. @Anonymous

    A black female Subway (sandwiches) worker was shot and killed in Atlanta, Georgia yesterday for the great sin of, allegedly, “putting too much mayonnaise” in a sandwich…

    Black Lives Matter – less than a dollop of mayonnaise.

    Second shift in de Subway store
    (Midnight come and we want go home)
    Sweep potato chips off de floor
    (Midnight come and we want go home)

    Hey mista mugga man, murda me for mayo
    (Midnight come and we want go home)
    Hey mista mugga man, no one gonna pay-o
    (Midnight come and we want go home)

    May-o, ma-a-a-ay-o
    Midnight come and we want go home

    • LOL: Old Prude
  143. @Mike Tre

    Why does it say “unwittingly”? Isn’t that just an assumption?

  144. @AndrewR

    Her age when they married and consummated the marriage is a matter of dispute, but he would certainly be considered a pedophile by 21st century American standards.

    Had he consummated immediately. He waited several years, though, most likely until puberty, when she was fertile. (Ironically, she never was.)

    The whole point of the union was to cement an alliance with her powerful father, Abu Bakr. With Mo, it was never about sex. It was always about power.

    Aisha could do something her husband never could:

    [MORE]

    Read.

  145. mc23 says:
    @Pop Warner

    Peter Yarrow of Peter, Paul and Mary accused of having sex with an underage girl in hotel room in 1969.

    Alcohol & young willing women. An irresistible combination.

  146. Old Prude says:
    @anon

    What the blazes are these parents thinking, taking their children to watch a bunch of degenerates and perverts flaunting their freakishness. Why aren’t those kids in Sunday School?

    Bring on the cleansing fire…

  147. @Anonymous

    You realize it wasn’t feminism or black rights activists or gays that made life so difficult for straight young men, right?

    It was no fault divorce.

    Amazing fact: that didn’t come to New York until 2010. Same-sex “marriage” came the following year, so you have yet another cudgel to bash no-fault with.

    If 50% of all middle aged couples divorce, and 1/3 of the divorced middle aged men marry young women…

    But aren’t women filing for the majority of these divorces? So older women are wrecking it for young men!

  148. prosa123 says:
    @Anonymous

    You realize it wasn’t feminism or black rights activists or gays that made life so difficult for straight young men, right?
    It was no fault divorce. If 50% of all middle aged couples divorce, and 1/3 of the divorced middle aged men marry young women (age 20s and 30s) it means that 1/6th of the previously available young women are no longer going to marry young men.

    I’ll bet a far lower percentage of divorced middle aged men marry young women. Unless he’s got a lot of money, and often even then, a 25-year-old woman is not going to be interested in a man of 50. Okay, unless she has a daddy fetish, but I doubt those are common.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
  149. Old Prude says:
    @Andy

    Man-o-live: Real-life people are some ugly.

  150. @Andy

    She did very well for herself. He is an Econ. professor and the founder of Plymouth Rock insurance company. He is still Chairman and CEO.

  151. @JimDandy

    Elvis wasn’t that old himself when dating Priscilla. I think dating teenage girls in the past was considered a risqué yet begrudgingly accepted if the man was in his 20s, not so much for men in their 30s and older. Perv territory even then.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Jack D
  152. @prosa123

    A bit like that Dick van Dyke movie ‘Fitzwilly’.

  153. @Mike Tre

    If I recall there was at least one internment camp for ethnic Germans in the US during WWII. Can’t talk about those though. But if we do talk about it, well then by God they had it coming!

    Indeed there was, though it was mostly German nationals who were interred there. Fwiw Sens. Feingold and Leiberman along with Chuck Grassley introduced a bill to establish an independent commission to review U.S. government policies directed against German and Italian aliens during World War II in the U.S. It died in the House, though.

  154. Mike Tre says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Another feminist contradiction is how women are strong and independent thinkers – getting abortions and careers and sleeping around – right until a young women decides to marry an older man, and then it’s “she’s being taken advantage of because she’s so young!”

    Much of feminism is basically just old women being jealous of younger women.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  155. Mike Tre says:
    @JimDandy

    Brooke Shields was photographed nude at age 10 for some Playboy offshoot in 1975. her mother consented.

  156. AceDeuce says:
    @Anonymous

    The late Clark Clifford, who was, for decades, the top lawyer in DC, in between advising Presidents, servings as Secretary of Defense, etc, etc. was also unoffically known as a de facto lobbyist and fixer. He crashed and burned after he was semi-retired in the 1990s BCCI scandal.

    Anyway, he was richer than King Midas, and as an old pal to the frequently broke Douglas, loaned him considerable money. No one knew about this. It was very questionable, considering that Clifford sometimes argued before the Court, or represented corporations that had vested interests the Court might be judging.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Jim Don Bob
  157. Mike Tre says:
    @prosa123

    Bed Bath and Body Odor.

  158. @Alyosha

    They were called “niece”.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  159. @AndrewR

    a 22 year old who had lost a tooth in an era lacking many of the dental technologies we take for granted today.

    Well, Steve and a lot of the people who post here remember the early 1970s pretty well. 22 year olds missing teeth were simply not a common sight back then. Unless you played hockey, but female ice hockey players were also not common.

  160. AKAHorace says:

    Steve,

    this guy is dissing you. You a mouse or you gonna do a drive by ?

    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-caused-the-2020-homicide-spike

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  161. JimDandy says:
    @Pop Warner

    Yeah, as I understand it, Bowie got to Lori Maddux before Jimmy Page.

  162. @Jack D

    Before she married, the 4th Mrs. Douglas was a college student from W. Nowhere with a summer waitressing job, so being the wife of a Supreme Ct. Justice was a MAJOR increase in status. She went on to get her own law degree and become a corporate lawyer so she was not as dumb as she looked. Her current husband, Jim Stone is the founder and CEO of an insurance company. She even managed to have kids with husband #2.

    Ok Jack, you bailed it out with the last line. Which, I had thought unlikely.

    A summer waitressing job for a coed was pretty typical. One at a nice park lodge sounds pretty good. Until the last line, the rest of this is “woman doing some higher status crank turning b.s.” that is the meaty and potatoes of you go girl feminism confusion.

    I was going to say that basically Douglas ruined her life and she would have far better off if she’d just run into and fallen in love with a male college student on the shores of Spirit Lake (since relocated), as she basically pissed away her youth and fertility on an aging egotist. Still could well be the case, but apparently this Stone guy, quickly met, married and knocked her up after Douglas finally exited the building.

    Still, she’s very lucky the creep didn’t live longer or she just be another tedious childless feminist lawyer … ready to spend her waning years tended by Somali nursing aides.

    • Agree: bomag, Bubba, Bubba
  163. @Muggles

    People get–even more–bossed around during wartime.

    Millions of non-Japanese Americans were ordered into military service and a bunch sent to fight and die.

    The internment looks unnecessary–perhaps even silly–in retrospect to good whites who don’t think in terms of racial/ethnic loyalty but at the time people were less sure, both of the Japanese:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident#Post-incident

    and how easily America would outproduce and cruise to what turned out to be an easy victory.

  164. @AceDeuce

    I think Supreme Court justices should have a single 18 year term and get a million dollars per year salary and pension (so that retiring when they get sufficiently decrepit isn’t a burden) but that’s it.

  165. AndrewR says:
    @Anonymous

    I’d hardly call women in their 30s “young,” especially relative to men under 40. Old men can have all the 25+ girls they want. No skin off my 37 year old back.

  166. AndrewR says:
    @prosa123

    Presifent Tyler was born in ’90 so that gives us a decade of wiggle room. But I would not bet against you. It would be a lot of work to calculate the odds pf your bet, but we could probably calculate what percentage of men born in the 1790s sired children past the age of 60 or 65. Then calculate the same for men born in the 1850s/1860s. Then account for the fact that a lot of the sons of the 1790s daddies never had kids, or had kids that died before today. Etc. A lot of data and work. But it is an interesting thing to think about.

    I was born in 1984 and my dad in ’39. His dad in 1887 and his dad in ’40. Much shorter generation times than the Tylers, but much longer than most people. I’m sure I’m not the only American my age to have a civil war vet as a great grandpa, but I’d be surpised if there were more than 30. I’ve pretty sure I’ve never met anyone my age with a grandparent born before 1900.

    I do think it’s sad my grandpa died before I was born even though he was very old when he died. And my dad never met his dad’s parents, unsurprisingly. And I’m fairly certain that my grandpa never met his dad’s parents, born around 1810. Long generations aren’t necessarily terrible (older parents tend to be more patient/wise and have more money than young parents), but I think the best situation would be to have short generation times combined with a supportive family that can help young parents with child rearing. Imagine growing up with most of your great-grandparents and some of your great-great-grandparents still around.

  167. Douglas and Blackmun have very different personality profiles. But the commonality is that they both clearly demonstrate that America does not benefit by being ruled by these pompous wannabe philosopher kings.

    Conservatives, republicans ought to work to fix not just the judicial nightmare, but generally push republicanizing reforms and take all our elite busybodies down a few notches.

  168. @Steve Sailer

    I think Supreme Court justices should have a single 18 year term and get a million dollars per year salary and pension (so that retiring when they get sufficiently decrepit isn’t a burden) but that’s it.

    That’s a solid republican reform, but I think we should be going much further and really try and destroy the whole royal aura the supremes have built around themselves. It is unfit for a republic.

    — Fixed term. (I’d say 15 so the President only has a majority of people he has appointed at the very end of a re-elected term. But eliminating that with 17 or 18 is fine too.)

    — Have to return to posting on lower court and live out their days as an ordinary judge. Not allowed to go to private law practice again, nor be hired by anyone who had business before the court. (If they want to retire and fish–fine.)

    — More judges (“justices”) to further de-royalize. 72 sounds pretty good.

    — Case assignment by lot. Say 15 our of the pack (of 72?) are chosen. And granting cert and hearing the case are completely separate. Those granting cert are ineligible in drawing for those to hear a case. Or alternatively the “Supreme Court” in any case is simply a random drawing of judges from all the District Courts.

    And, of course,
    — Congress doing its job and impeaching legislating justices and ignoring nonsense rulings.

  169. AndrewR says:
    @Steve Sailer

    I suppose 15-20 million bucks a year for SCOTUS pay and pensions is a drop in the federal bucket, but controlling essentially 1/27th of the US federal government is more than enough compensation. I think many, many people would do the job for free. Then again I guess we could look at it as a form of hazard pay. We can see that there are a lot of people in this country who genuinely would love to kill whichever justices ruled against their pet cause. Objectively I think conservative justices face a lot more danger than liberal ones, even though conservative Americans tend to be better armed, but obviously most liberals would disagree. And I’m sure all the liberal justices have had their fair share of death threats.

    The irony is that Thomas and perhaps the other conservative judges (Roberts undoubtedly excluded) simply want to reduce the power of the federal government, thus making the role of the Supreme Court less important. But libtards can’t tolerate the idea of the federal government not controlling everything in this country in the way they want. The prospect of devolving power back to the states is just as outrageous to them as the prospect of conservatives having full control of an omnipotent federal government.

    If libtards were intelligent and sane they would direct all their anger about our new status quo ante towards the Republican legislators in red states instead of the federal judges who have just returned power to state governments by overturning the worst legal decision since Dred Scott. But libtards are by definition either very stupid or very insane. And most are both.

  170. Adept says:
    @mc23

    Even in Ancient Greece and Rome? In Greece he’d be ridiculed simply for being a professional jurist! It was seen, back then, as a scandalous and contemptible profession — and quite rightly so. The Romans had more patience for advocates, but they were nothing like they are today, and there was no such thing as a professional judge. Praetors, who presided over trials, were mostly amateurs in the law, and had many other responsibilities, but generally were men of good common sense and wide-ranging capabilities. They were elected to very short terms. In short, they couldn’t be more different from the American Federal judge!

    I think that one of the great failures of the American experiment is that we attempted to mimic Ancient forms, such as democracy, but then grafted the English Common Law onto it. The Common Law was, even then, a poisonous and even quite malicious thing — and would be utterly reviled by the Ancients. The lesson in short: One mustn’t graft a diseased branch onto a healthy sapling.

  171. MEH 0910 says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    Men Called Uncle · Elvis Costello & The Attractions

    [MORE]

    http://www.elviscostello.info/wiki/index.php/Men_Called_Uncle

    Now there’s newsprint all over your face
    Well maybe that’s why I can read you like a book
    Just when I thought I was getting my taste to bite
    I go and lose my appetite

    Look at the men that you’d call uncle
    They’d like to sink their teeth into you
    For the pride and the pleasure
    And the privilege of having you

    If I say you’re the one, do you think that I’m serious?
    You get that kind of talk from older men
    If I say I love you then I must be delirious
    So why are you trying to put my temperature up again?

    Look at the men that you’d call uncle
    Having a heart attack round your ankles

    When you wake up with X-rated eyes
    When you wake up still shaking
    How can I apologize
    As you check your effects and check your reflection
    I’m so affected in the face of your affection

    Look at the men that you’d call uncle
    Having a heart attack round your ankles

    I could swear, I could promise that I’ll always be true to you
    But we may not live to be so old
    I could even say I’m going to do something new to you
    Now the girls I see just leave me cold

    Look at the men that you call uncle…

  172. MEH 0910 says:
    @AKAHorace

    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-caused-the-2020-homicide-spike


    https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-caused-the-2020-homicide-spike/comment/7423734

  173. Flip says:
    @Steve Sailer

    And Federal judges should have mandatory retirement at 70 instead of for life. I had a case before a judge in his 90s. Ridiculous.

  174. usNthem says:
    @AndrewR

    Come on Andrew, I never mentioned her dentition, merely the fact that she looks like a teenybopper – not a 22 year old – which she does. Further, I grew up in that era and knew no one missing any teeth – either at 12 or 22 yrs of age.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  175. Billy Ash says:

    Only Steve Sailer can garner 176 comments with only 100 words.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  176. Taco says:

    When I was an undergrad many years ago, I attended a presentation that was put on by a recently minted history PhD, who had written his thesis on William O. Douglas. He told an interesting story about Douglas.

    In one of Douglas’s books, he had described a mountain vista, overlooking a lake or something, that Douglas said he had climbed. Somewhere out west, maybe in California or Oregon. So the PHD fellow went to the same mountain and hiked the same trail himself.

    When he got to the top, he realized that William O. Douglas’s description of it was radically different than what was actually there. From there, the PHD started double checking all of Douglas’s claims that were verifiable. He discovered that Douglas lied about his personal experiences basically continuously.

  177. @Anonymous

    “The older my wife gets the more attractive I find her. “

    I think there’s a concept called “wife goggles” – that when you look at your beloved, you see the person you fell in love with all those years ago.

    But it doesn’t mean that younger women are unattractive – far from it.

    “I can’t imagine any man over 50 finding any women under 40 attractive in a potential partner sense.”

    If you wanted kids that would definitely be the way to go. If you are in good condition, homeowner and solvent, but wanted marriage and kids, you could probably choose from any number of 30-35 year olds who find the Senior Assistant Housing Officer world isn’t all it’s cracked up to be (and all their friends are pairing off and having babies. FOMO!).

    OK, she’ll divorce you when they go to secondary school… but that’s the (considerable) risk you take. You might find a rare girl with no student debt and whose parents are still married…

  178. @Steve Sailer

    Both Canada and Australia have Supreme Courts and both have mandatory retirement ages.

  179. Forbes says:
    @ScarletNumber

    The funny thing is, even at this distance, I know the first three couples. Even after your reporting their names, I haven’t a clue who Mamie & Lee are. LOL.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  180. jejej says:
    @Corvinus

    No man wants anybody but the perfect individual boning their mother, sister or daughter. What does that have to do with anything? If women have the right to choose who to sleep with then it’s out of our control. And if we want to be able to live together in society we can’t go killing a dude for sleeping with our willing female relative even if she decides the next day that she regrets it. Other than elderly male virgins like yourself we all know how these things go. If you stop triple masking you can go outside and learn about humanity for the first time.

  181. @AceDeuce

    Clifford’s partner also went down because of BCCI. As compensation, he married Linda Carter aka Wonder Woman.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  182. JimDandy says:
    @S. Anonyia

    I agree with your first point but… Bogie and Bacall was generally considered the ultimate romantic standard for decades. That was a 25 year difference. And, again, Seinfeld was almost 40 when the glossy magazines gushed over him and Shosanna–who was 17 when they met.

    • Replies: @Gunner
  183. @Steve Sailer

    I’ve always felt that lifetime tenure with no accountability was a bad idea. Of course, when the Constitution was adopted, life expectancies were much shorter than today, but, even so, it needs to be changed. Only one Supreme Court Justice has ever been impeached, and he wasn’t convicted (although Abe Fortas resigned under threat of impeachment). Politicians of every stripe recognize that the Court functions as a second legislature that is not responsible to anyone.

    I would propose an even more radical solution – elect them. There are nine US judicial districts, and so each one could elect one justice. Term limits would be mandatory. Term of office? Maybe six years, with one reelection, although this is debatable. Then out they go. Also, the number of Justices should be fixed by constitutional amendment – the current nine seems a good number. This would prevent the disgraceful (Democratic) attempts to pack the court.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  184. @prosa123

    I’ll bet a far lower percentage of divorced middle aged men marry young women. Unless he’s got a lot of money, and often even then, a 25-year-old woman is not going to be interested in a man of 50. Okay, unless she has a daddy fetish, but I doubt those are common.

    Divorced men, who’ve had a long run and a full family, generally do not have 2nd families. The tend to remarry a bit younger, but not extravagantly so.

    When they do, men who are middle aged–50ish–it is generally with a 30-something gal, who has failed to get it done, but is itching to have a family. (I.e. something like a 50 and 36.) The real reach back to a 25 year old in her fertility prime is rare.

    No, the reason for it is tough for young men:
    — female hypergamy–chasing the prince
    coupled with
    — female careerism and state support allowing–and encouraging–young women to roll on and on and on on their own. Basically, a young man must beat what the young woman can do on her own with all the soft jobs that have been made available (many from government policy/diktat).
    while
    — immigration and neoliberalism driving down the wages of materially productive men, from engineering through technicians and skilled labor down to “strong back” while driving up the costs of living (housing, housing with “good schools” and taxes).

  185. Jack D says:
    @Corn

    Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. is considered one of the greatest Supreme Ct. justices and he served until he was 90. He did not go on the Court until he was 60. Some people become senile and others grow in wisdom. Some never have any wisdom to begin with.

    Perhaps what is needed is a reconfirmation process once a justice hits say 75. Perhaps an independent medical commission to assess their mental and physical fitness. But of course in our highly partisan environment, it would be twisted for political purposes.

    • Replies: @mc23
  186. Muggles says:
    @ScarletNumber

    By definition, if the Supreme Court upholds a law or executive order, it isn’t unconstitutional. Korematsu was never explicitly overturned nor did Congress pass any law ever refuting it. Having said that, mores have changed since 1944.

    Absurd comment. As are the other snarks about this here.

    a. Many former SC decisions were later reversed. Roe v. Wade, Plessy v. Ferguson, etc. So a single SC decision doesn’t make some bad idea magically “constitutional.” That is the Woke mentality at work, fellows. Most of the worst ones get reversed eventually.

    b. Korematsu was later repudiated after WWII by the SC and Congressional resolutions. Reparations were paid. So your comment is incorrect.

    c. Some stupid posters here seem to think that was a good idea at the time. But Japanese Americans were not interned who lived in Hawaii. If it was such a “threat” why not? Zero evidence of any American Japanese ever tried to help Imperial Japan (well, maybe one or two recent ones.) As some noted European Axis heritage citizens weren’t rounded up at the time. Only a few selectively investigated or interned. Even in rabid WWI anti German persecution that wasn’t done.

    d. If some here think arbitrary and illegal trashing of Constitution rights is just dandy, time for you to send checks to the DNC and AOC reelection committee. Lame rationalizations about past unconstitutional behavior of the First Order are the stuff for Woke Comrades. So when Beto & friends come for you AR-15, you’d better shut up and obey, right?

  187. @mc23

    Here’s an old joke that fits this thread:

    An 18 year-old female gold-digger marries an 80 year old very rich man. Her plan is to fuck him to death on their wedding night, so she can inherit everything.

    So she dolls herself up, puts on a very sexy negligee and waits for him in their marital bed, He finally shows up, completely nude, except he’s wearing a condom, earmuffs, and a clothespin on his nose. Naturally, she is confused. She says to him-

    “Why are you dressed like that,Honey?”

    To which he replies-

    “Because there are two things I can’t stand- the smell of burning rubber and the sound of a woman screaming!”

    Thank you. I’ll be here all week!

  188. Pratt says:
    @prosa123

    So, the sum of his own years and his wives’ years at each marriage pretty much remained constant. Nice goal if you can achieve it.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  189. J.Ross says:
    @Muggles

    What we dance around here is that what made this seem reasonable was not an intelligence threat or contempt for law but a big weakness on our part. Nobody understood anything about Japan (after all, we didn’t think the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor could happen, and then we thought we could make them surrender by fighting them). It was unspectacular if not normal in the same time for Americans to speak fluent German or Italian. We did not have the intellectual tools to properly deal with the real threat, which would have required speaking their language and understanding their community better.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    , @Reg Cæsar
  190. Jack D says:
    @S. Anonyia

    Elvis was only 24, but Priscilla was 14 when they started dating. Even by 1950s standard, that was a bit young.

  191. mc23 says:
    @Jack D

    The minimum age is 35 for serving as president, 30 for senators and 25 for representatives. Having a maximum age seems more reasonable the older I get.

    Now days in the Catholic Church, Bishops are required to retire at 72. Without recognizing the Catholic Church as a fountain of administrative wisdom it seems like a good rule of thumb.

    I like the quote attributed to De Gaulle- “The graveyards are full of indispensable men.”

  192. @Muggles

    Au contraire, mon frere.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

    Read “In Defense of Internment” by Michelle Malkin. She shows several arguments and incidents that show there is another side to the internment story than the George Takei version.

    • Agree: AceDeuce
    • Thanks: Charon
  193. @Anonymous

    Yep, I meant to mention. So why the big deal about something they don’t actually need? Just to make it easier on them? So some local apparatchik can have fun?

    I won’t even ask why our laws aren’t being brought up to date w.r.t. electronic devices and communications. We all know the answer to that one.

  194. Delayed reaction…..

    Why would anyone care about this?

    Who gives af?

  195. Bubba says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Those days are long gone. The CIA set up a Swiss banker and blackmailed him….

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/edward-snowden-describes-time-cia-151009018.html

    And then it was followed up by this tireless, holier-than-thou, self-promoter…

    https://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/12/swiss-banker-whistleblower-cia-behind-panama-papers.html

  196. @Buzz Mohawk

    My fact-a-day calendar informs us that cruise ships are equipped with their own morgues. Well, at least they’ll be ready!

  197. @Pratt

    Sort of like shooting your age in golf.

  198. @Billy Ash

    But the picture is worth a thousand.

  199. AceDeuce says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    Well, not quite. (((Robert Altman)))- (no, not the director) married Carter 8-10 years before BCCI hit the fan. His law partner Clark Clifford was his best man, and one of the couple’s kids is named for Clifford.

    Altman did land on his feet. He was able to avoid getting hammered too bad for BCCI, but had to pay a yuuuge fine, and he was left jobless and in disgrace while still in his 40s. He got involved in some game-sharing company, getting buddies like Terry McAuliffe involved in the profits (Altman, a lifelong DC insider, had friends ranging from McAuliffe, to Bill and Hillary, to Robert Trump-Donald’s brother.) Altman’s twentysomething son ran the day to day operations.

    In 2020, about 6 months before Altman died, Microsoft, I believe, bought Altman’s company for 5-10 billion dollars.

  200. Jack D says:
    @J.Ross

    We did not have the intellectual tools to properly deal with the real threat, which would have required speaking their language and understanding their community better.

    This was a weakness of the “majoritarian” model that was dominant at the time – “you come here to OUR country so you should learn OUR language and OUR customs. We don’t need to know or care about YOURS.” This created an asymmetry where some of the Japanese understood America very well (Yamamoto had studied at Harvard) but not vice versa.

    Now the modern pendulum has swung too far in the other direction but to understand how we got there and how to get back to sanity you have to understand the weaknesses that lead us to abandon the old model in the first place.

    BTW, I don’t think we learned from the 1st round. In the 70s the Japanese invaded AGAIN, this time with economic warfare and again there was asymmetry – the Japanese figured out how to sell cars in America but we had no clue how to sell cars in Japan.

    • Agree: J.Ross
  201. Mike Tre says:
    @Muggles

    Germans were also interned during WWII in the US. TMK, no reparations paid. So much for your racism!!1!!1 bs.

    • Replies: @Muggles
  202. Mike Tre says:
    @Jack D

    “This was a weakness of the “majoritarian” model that was dominant at the time – “you come here to OUR country so you should learn OUR language and OUR customs. We don’t need to know or care about YOURS.” This created an asymmetry where some of the Japanese understood America very well (Yamamoto had studied at Harvard) but not vice versa. ”

    Wrong, the weakness was letting a a minority study at Harvard without reciprocity. No US military or otherwise was studying at the Heigakko in the 1920’s.

    As illustrated, the only weakness of majoritarianism is allowing any minority to have any power at all.

    • Agree: usNthem
  203. epebble says:

    we had no clue how to sell cars in Japan

    We had plenty – just make better cars that don’t fall apart in a year or two – just no willingness or ability. If U.S. car makers are not successful at home, then plan on succeeding abroad? That seems like the “We lose one dollar on every sale but plan to make profit on volume” math.

  204. @J.Ross

    after all, we didn’t think the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor could happen

    Even though “we” invited it by lying about our neutrality. We were trying to goad the Germans into attacking, but they were preoccupied.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    , @Mike Tre
  205. J.Ross says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    >trying to please the FOCUS group by messing up Germany
    >Japan attacks first instead
    Geography is hard, it’s almost as hard as presidentin’.

  206. @Jack D

    In the 70s the Japanese invaded AGAIN, this time with economic warfare and again there was asymmetry – the Japanese figured out how to sell cars in America but we had no clue how to sell cars in Japan.

    Because Detroit had no clue about a lot of things. The Japanese drive small vehicles on the left in tight spaces. Their carmakers numbered in double digits. Even had they Hong Kong-style free trade, we would never have made a beachhead there. At one point, BMW alone outsold all American makes combined.

    Detroit– capital, management and labor– got fat, lazy, and smug thanks to the protectionism of nature. Still, it took Japan two decades to get their vehicles up to speed. Detroit had plenty of time to respond. Instead, we got constant whining, and Vincent Chin.

    Incidentally, the UAW always played the Big Three against one another. Swedish workers couldn’t do that with Volvo and Saab because the employers were allowed the same right to negotiate collectively as labor had. (Other countries may have similar policies.)

  207. Mike Tre says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “We were trying to goad the Germans into attacking”

    Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Slow down there chief. Just eeeeeease up on that whole “goad” concept. Haven’t you been paying attention to The War of Unprovoked Aggression by Russia Against Ukraine?

    We have learned, right here at isteve, that whenever a nation that isn’t the US attacks another nation, it is never, ever, ever, due to provocation. It is driven purely by bloodthirsty aggression and the perverted need to kill, kill, kill! That, and antisemitism.

  208. Jack D says:

    Incidentally, the UAW always played the Big Three against one another.

    Actually it was pretty comfortable for the Big Three. They had pricing power in the market and did not compete with each other on price, only on the size of the tail fins. After the UAW would extort wage gains from whichever of the Big 3 they thought was weakest at that moment, the other two would agree to the same package. Then all 3 would raise their prices the same amount to cover the new wage levels. The only one getting screwed by this was the American consumer but they had no real choice.

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
  209. @Forbes

    Mamie is still alive at 91 but she was famous for dating Howard Hughes when she was young. Due to her connections she was in a lot of movies in the 50s and early 6os. After breaking up with Hughes she ended up getting married 5 times, but her 5th marriage is going strong for over 40 years now.

    Lee Meyers played minor league baseball in the Cubs’ organization, topping out at AAA in Tacoma. I’m not sure why he is considered famous besides being Mamie’s third husband. Before she married him she dated Bo Belinsky, who was legitimately famous for pitching on those early LA Angels teams.

  210. @Jack D

    The only one getting screwed by this was the American consumer but they had no real choice.

    Thank God for the Japanese. I would never buy an American car.

    • Troll: Alyosha
  211. Muggles says:
    @Mike Tre

    There was no comparable mass arrest, roundup, property confiscation of Americans with German ethnic heritage.

    A few, probably some recent immigrants or perhaps active in the 30s German American Bund movement.

    Likewise in WWI no mass roundup. Again a few individuals maybe.

    So yes “racist” for the Japanese. Though as I noted, not on Hawaii which had a large number of Japanese Americans. If they were such a threat, why not? Because military authorities said it would be harmful for the war effort there.

    Since there are millions of Americans with German heritage, such a roundup would have been almost impossible.

    But don’t pretend that a few hundred German Americans (citizens?) is the same thing. Why you and others here try to defend this fascist roundup is a real mystery. Your “love” of Constitutional rights runs skin deep…

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  212. Hibernian says:
    @usNthem

    In the 60’s kids having a missing tooth was because of accidents My two top front teeth had to be capped because of a bicycle accident in about ’64.

    • Agree: usNthem
  213. Hibernian says:
    @Black Death

    There are nine US judicial districts, and so each one could elect one justice.

    There are 11 Circuits and almost 100 Districts.

  214. MEH 0910 says:

    Old Days (2002 Remaster) · Chicago

  215. AceDeuce says:
    @Muggles

    More than 1/3rd of the Japs who were put in the holding facilities were full fledged Japanese citizens. Many more were Jap nationalists.

  216. Art Deco says:
    @Adept

    Median annual cash compensation for lawyers in private practice is about \$6,000 lower than the comparable figure for judges. I correspond with a trial lawyer in Richmond who has served on judicial selection committees. He says interested parties are in three categories: (1) prosecutors, (2) employees of the state attorney-general’s office, and (3) lawyers in private practice not making a good living off it. See also Gregory Mankiw’s comments on the legal profession: it’s the odd profession wherein compensation levels have a bi-modal distribution, as if it were actually two professions. Judges are seldom drawn from the big bucks track.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
  217. Art Deco says:
    @Jack D

    The officer corps of the armed services has since 1939 varied in size, with a median population of about 300,000. I think there are about 15,000 Foreign Service officers, about 20,000 employees of the CIA (of whom salaried line employees are a fraction), a few thousand employed by USAID and fewer than 1,000 employed by the Board for International Broadcasting. I think if you want some fraction of them schooled in foreign area studies, you can arrange for that without infecting school curricula with multi-culti hooey or giving aspirant employees and aspirant tenants a cause of action if they don’t get the job or the apartment.

  218. Gunner says:
    @JimDandy

    I don’t remember anyone gushing over Seinfeld and his girlfriend. I remember them saying she was very pretty, but basically calling Jerry a weirdo for dating her when there were unlimited 20 somethings who would bang him.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    , @Curle
  219. Corvinus says:
    @Steve Sailer

    Are you going to start seeing clearly about what’s been going around us lately, or continue to purposely avoid discussing law and order and the rule of law which you say you claim to support?

    For starters…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1542293450661527555?cxt=HHwWhoC8oZruqecqAAAA

    • Replies: @Curle
  220. @Art Deco

    My Sunday school teacher was a partner in a Delaware law firm doing lucrative corporate work who got appointed to the federal bench and had to take a BIG pay cut.

    I think judges make about \$200k (too lazy to look it up) and it may sound harsh, but that’s not a lot of money in a big city.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Art Deco
  221. @Jim Don Bob

    Delaware corporate law is a nice life — you get paid like a NYC lawyer but your mortgage and country club dues are substantially less than those of your NYC peers.

  222. Art Deco says:
    @Jim Don Bob

    I think judges make about \$200k (too lazy to look it up) and it may sound harsh, but that’s not a lot of money in a big city.

    It’s enough to put you in the 95th percentile of the working population.

  223. JimDandy says:
    @Gunner

    Ok, so we’ve established that I have a better memory than you. What do we do now?

  224. Curle says:
    @Thomas

    Don’t know what happened to the Lodge but the owner, named Harry Truman, died there when the Mt exploded.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  225. Curle says:
    @Corvinus

    “do you believe in the peaceful transition of power in the United States of America?”

    From a screenshot for something calling itself The Lincoln Project. Oh the irony.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  226. Curle says:
    @Gunner

    Nobody was reading the text, they were looking at her b**bs and assuming Jerry was too. She was in Dolly Parton territory if memory serves.

  227. Art Deco says:
    @Curle

    IIRC the lodge was still in operation in 1980 and was destroyed in the eruption.

  228. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    Are you going to address the points I made?

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