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From the NYT:

Review: ‘O.J.: Made in America,’ an Unflinching Take on His Rise and Fall
O.J.: MADE IN AMERICA NYT Critics’ Pick Directed by Ezra Edelman Documentary 7h 30m
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By A. O. SCOTT MAY 19, 2016

… “O.J.: Made in America,” a staggering five-part, nearly eight-hour installment in ESPN’s ambitious and innovative “30 for 30” documentary series, which is also being released in an extended format in theaters, goes a long way toward filling in that blank. Though dominated by the trial, it extends the narrative in both directions, producing a detailed biography of Mr. Simpson that is also a social history of race, fame, sports and Los Angeles over the past half-century. “The People v. O. J. Simpson” was a tightly packed, almost indecently entertaining piece of pop realism, a Dreiser novel infused with the spirit of Tom Wolfe. For its part, “O.J.: Made in America,” directed by Ezra Edelman, has the grandeur and authority of the best long-form nonfiction. If it were a book, it could sit on the shelf alongside “The Executioner’s Song” by Norman Mailer and the great biographical works of Robert Caro.

… The shadow of Rodney King — his videotaped beating by L.A.P.D. officers, their acquittal and the subsequent riots — hangs over the Simpson trial, but so does a much longer history of racism and brutality. The jury’s verdict, which struck many white observers at the time as inexplicable, is situated against a background of longstanding resentment and mistrust that the prosecution misjudged and the defense successfully exploited.

“O.J.: Made in America” goes back to the 1960s, bringing in the voices of journalists, writers and ordinary residents of Los Angeles, who relate a sorry chronicle of discrimination and abuse.

You know, the O.J. Simpson story doesn’t really fit into The Narrative.

Inevitably, there are gaps in the record and holes in the interpretive framework the film constructs around it. It is hard not to notice the predominance of male voices among the interview subjects, and the narrowness of the film’s discussion of domestic violence. This is not to say that the issue is ignored: Mr. Simpson’s history of abusing Nicole is extensively and graphically documented, as is the fact that most of his friends ignored what was going on at their Rockingham estate.

The only LAPD cop who had taken seriously Nicole Brown Simpson’s 911 calls about O.J. beating her was the “notorious” Mark Fuhrman. The other cops would get to the Brentwood house after Nicole’s calls, realize the criminal was The Juice, and ask him for photos.

But the film, which so persuasively treats law enforcement racism as a systemic problem, can’t figure out how to treat violence against women with the same kind of rigor or nuance.

Intersectionality!

And, I bet, it’s not going to touch black violence against whites.

As a black man caught up in the criminal justice system — and, for that matter, as a famous man exposed to the glare of nonstop media attention — O. J. Simpson is viewed as a symbol. His unique experience is a lens onto something larger, and his fate carries political significance. Nicole Brown Simpson’s fate, in contrast, is treated as an individual tragedy, and there seems to be no political vocabulary available to the filmmakers to understand what happened to her. The deep links between misogyny and American sports culture remain unexamined.

But, O.J. decapitated another person that night, Ron Goldman, but what Narrative-Approved lens do we have to view that through? Anti-Semitism?

Having traced every step of his journey in detail over eight hours, you still find yourself wondering what the hell happened to this guy. He was made in America, and unmade here, too.

Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing. Orwell’s “crimestop” — i.e., “protective stupidity” — shuts down our cognitive processes before we can figure out what the real message of OJ’s life is.

Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.

 
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  1. To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don’t necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.’s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters’ sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    • Replies: @ziel
    @Michelle


    That is why Blacks on O.J.’s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face...
     
    No, they were unimpressed because they were not allowed to hear about it

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    , @anon
    @Michelle

    Actually the black women on the jury pretty much despised Nicole, which was well known to the defense team and missed by the clueless Marcia Clark, who fantasized she had some kind of "connection" with black women. The black women deeply resented what they saw as a white gold-digger who had 'stolen' a rich, successful, handsome black man from them.

    Replies: @Jim Sweeney, @David In TN

    , @Jim Sweeney
    @Michelle

    Do you seriously assert that black women are influenced by events of 150+ years ago?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Crawfurdmuir
    @Michelle


    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it
     
    .

    They sometimes fight back.

    A friend of mine, when he was a young doctor doing his residency, worked in the ER at a large public hospital in Baltimore. He used to see all sorts of victims of marital violence. One regular was an older black male who often ended up at the ER after a dust-up with his wife. He'd slap her around, and when she had enough, she'd stab him with a paring knife. The wounds were typically messy but superficial. He'd then come into the ER via the "amberlamps" to be patched up, and when the cops asked him if he wanted to press charges, he always declined.

    The last time they fought, his wife's aim was deadlier. She cut a major artery, her husband bled out, and was dead on arrival at the ER. The police went to the house to inform his wife of this, and that she was under arrest for killing him. Her response, according to my doctor friend:

    "He die? He nebber do dat befo'!"

    Replies: @Bren, @utu, @Brutusale

    , @TheLatestInDecay
    @Michelle

    Who cares? Let them sort that out amongst themselves. Does anyone have an idea on how to get statistics on white Americans murdered, raped, robbed and beaten by blacks since, say, the end of the Civil War until now?

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Tex, @Buffalo Joe

    , @Anonymous
    @Michelle

    Yes, because their women being "supportive" (i.e. enabling men who treat them like shit) is working out so well for the black community.

    Replies: @Michelle

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Michelle

    Michelle, Treat your guy in a personal way, but never, ever be supportive of an abusive man.

    , @artichoke
    @Michelle

    If you were White, I think you would have capitalized it since you also capitalized black.

    , @123
    @Michelle

    Glad you feel that way--maybe you can start, in a small way, by capitalizing "White" or writing "black" in lower case like you currently do with "white".

    Replies: @Michelle

    , @Marcus
    @Michelle

    Yeah look at Rihanna (though she's an immigrant) and Ray Rice's wife staying after being beaten. " I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters’ sons."
    Lol you're giving them way too much credit.

  2. Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.

    Bullseye .. and right down to Barack Obama’s last 2 years in office

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @ziel

    Correction - 7+ years and still a disappoint.

    , @ChrisZ
    @ziel

    I agree, ziel, with the importance of Steve's final paragraph--and your addition of the current president to the record. This is a "secret" understory of the current presidential contest on the Dem side. For the overwhelmingly white Bernie supporters, lack of black enthusiasm is an inexplicable irritant. Among Hillary supporters, I sense a resentment at the inability of the "black vote" to play its traditional role in securing the candidate's nomination. The recriminations stemming from a Trump victory may deepen these feelings of white liberal alienation from blacks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Harry Baldwin

  3. Maybe Robert Shapiro can chime in about his old pal OJ. Or is he forever barred from that under attorney client privilege?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Ivy

    Robert Shapiro was one of the interviewees in the Megyn Kelly special that aired on Fox (not FNC) on Tuesday night.

  4. • Replies: @David
    @Anonymous

    It's sort of different that Japs get upset when strange black men murder their daughters. I wonder what kind of mentality they must have.

    , @Cryptogenic
    @Anonymous


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/20/outrage-in-japan-as-american-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-woman-on-okinawa/
     
    It's apparent in the article (the mother says he dindunuffins) but you have to search elsewhere for confirmation that the suspect is black, just like the three US soldiers who raped and murdered a 12-year-old Okinawan girl in 1995. The legacy of Louis Till lives on.
  5. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    That is why Blacks on O.J.’s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face…

    No, they were unimpressed because they were not allowed to hear about it

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
  6. Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.

    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America’s top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.

    • Replies: @The most deplorable one
    @Dave Pinsen

    Heh, the article I saw did not show a photo, just a name.

    Now I see that he is one of Obama's sons.

    , @Das
    @Dave Pinsen

    There's an amusing phenomenon where young liberals assume that America was under control of a Nazi-sympathizing segregationist government until *maybe* 5 or 6 years ago, and things have only started to turn around thanks to campus SJW activists and the Black Lives Matter movement.

    So you have people sharing videos of Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton speaking out in favor of civil rights or feminism back in the 80s and 90s, and acting like that makes them heroic trailblazers. "OMG they were saying discrimination is bad back in the 80s! Incredible!"

    , @CJ
    @Dave Pinsen

    What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    I have read maybe ten accounts of such cases, most from Okinawa, over the years. To the very best of my recollection the percentage is 100.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @p s c
    @Dave Pinsen

    Anyone remember Kendrick Ledet? He was a Marine stationed on Okinawa back in '95 and was convicted of raping a 12 yo female along with 2 accomplices.

    Ledet was released from Japanese prison after 6 years and went back to his home state of Georgia. He raped and murdered a young (white) woman named Lauren Cooper in 2006. Ledet committed suicide shortly after.

    Keepin' it real!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

    , @Tipo 61
    @Dave Pinsen

    Constantly pointing out the obvious will extend the Great Awakening.

    , @Erik Sieven
    @Dave Pinsen

    when white americans make their one live miserable by racial integration it is already a sad thing, but forcing others to do the same is on a special level of evil.

    , @AndrewR
    @Dave Pinsen

    Bizarre comment. Just because we "Millennials" (like all "Xers" and many "Boomers") have no memory of the Bad Old Days when society didn't kiss black ass doesn't mean we aren't aware of the huge shift in attitudes over the last 50-60 years.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  7. When you meet a black person who was an adult at the time and the subject of the OJ case comes up, ask them 3 questions:
    1) do you think O.J. did it?
    2) (if they say yes) when did you arrive at that opinion?
    3a) (if they said some time before the end of the trial) when did you first tell a white person that you thought he did it?
    3b) (if they said some time after the trial) what new evidence changed your mind?

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @Polymath

    I worked with a few blacks at that time in the 90's. They were all convinced that OJ was innocent. Reasons? Nope, they just "felt" it. The cops were all racists. All cops everywhere are racist.

    Replies: @Marty, @Jack D, @TomSchmidt

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Polymath

    Question: What do you do when after asking these questions, the individual comes back with "Why do you care? Or is it because you're a racist?"

    Tis a puzzlement, a puzzlement.

    , @D. K.
    @Polymath

    The one crucial piece of new evidence that came to light after October 3, 1995, of course, was the highly incriminating picture-- used in the civil trial, in 1997-- of O. J. Simpson, working as the on-field reporter at an NFL game, in a pair of those "ugly-ass" Bruno Magli shoes that O. J. earlier had stated that he never would deign to wear-- a shoe model whose print was left in blood at the scene of the double homicide that he was acquitted of having committed.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @Polymath

    I worked in an office with a couple of young black women when the verdict was announced. They high-fived each other and one of them said, "Justice is served!".

    Replies: @Connecticut Famer, @E. Rekshun

  8. The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.
     
    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America's top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.



    https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/733771186329395200

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Das, @CJ, @p s c, @Tipo 61, @Erik Sieven, @AndrewR

    Heh, the article I saw did not show a photo, just a name.

    Now I see that he is one of Obama’s sons.

  9. @ziel

    Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.
     
    Bullseye .. and right down to Barack Obama's last 2 years in office

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @ChrisZ

    Correction – 7+ years and still a disappoint.

  10. I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    • Disagree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Otto the P
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Not only that but slavery, along with mud huts and the Supersoaker, is one of the rare genuine African inventions. They didn't get around to the wheel, perspective, medicine or navigation, but they were quick to enslave their fellows. It was practiced in Africa for at least 12,000 years before the pinprick in time (what, 300 years?) it was practiced via the trans-Atlantic slave trade, with Africans selling Africans to Muslims who eventually sold to the tiny fraction of white Americans who were end users. Oh, and peanut butter.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @athEIst

    , @anon
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Many whites were also slaves. The word slave comes from Slav after all. The Muslim Barbary pirates enslaved perhaps 2,000,000 Europeans, perhaps five times the number of Africans that were sent to the USA.

    Replies: @Romanian

    , @Drakejax
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    The Royal Navy, with some minor assistance from the fledgling US Navy, put the stop to the slave trade. Part of this accomplishment required colonizing pieces of West Africa. So white people stopped slavery, yet get blamed for it.

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller

    , @Jefferson
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    "I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?"

    I rarely meet a Guinea who feels guilt over slavery. That's something you WASPs are obsessed with.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Jay

    , @Dr. X
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery.
     
    Whites are not guilty over slavery. So-called "white guilt" is merely moral posturing. The intent is to make one group of whites (urban liberals) feel superior to other whites (rednecks and lowbrow crackers who go to church on Sunday and vote Republican).
    , @Tex
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope


    I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?
     
    I used to teach ESL. A West African student told me that i his country, it's considered friendly banter for members of one ethnic group to tell someone from a different group, "Didn't my ancestors used to enslave yours?"
    , @anon
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Because Whites are the only ones who ACCEPT the blame.

  11. Das says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.
     
    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America's top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.



    https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/733771186329395200

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Das, @CJ, @p s c, @Tipo 61, @Erik Sieven, @AndrewR

    There’s an amusing phenomenon where young liberals assume that America was under control of a Nazi-sympathizing segregationist government until *maybe* 5 or 6 years ago, and things have only started to turn around thanks to campus SJW activists and the Black Lives Matter movement.

    So you have people sharing videos of Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton speaking out in favor of civil rights or feminism back in the 80s and 90s, and acting like that makes them heroic trailblazers. “OMG they were saying discrimination is bad back in the 80s! Incredible!”

  12. It is unfortunate that OJ would be remembered by his trial, when, as an African American he is best remembered by his play on the field.

    As a star running back for the Buffalo Bills in the 1970s, he built a reputation for himself but it doesn’t matter anymore. He was “jungle Jim”, outside the stadium, brut and charisma, looking good.

    Always watch out for the dread moray eel if you’re a sociopath, it will get you every time. Trust me I know.

    • Replies: @AlphaSupremo
    @Trelane

    Local boys spent a lot of quarters to shine his silver bowl. See: Kato

  13. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I will never understand "white guilt" over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    Replies: @Otto the P, @anon, @Drakejax, @Jefferson, @Dr. X, @Tex, @anon

    Not only that but slavery, along with mud huts and the Supersoaker, is one of the rare genuine African inventions. They didn’t get around to the wheel, perspective, medicine or navigation, but they were quick to enslave their fellows. It was practiced in Africa for at least 12,000 years before the pinprick in time (what, 300 years?) it was practiced via the trans-Atlantic slave trade, with Africans selling Africans to Muslims who eventually sold to the tiny fraction of white Americans who were end users. Oh, and peanut butter.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Otto the P

    I thought they invented peanuts.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Yak-15
    @Otto the P

    It's still practiced in many parts of Africa, most notably Mauratania.

    , @Jack D
    @Otto the P

    George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter.

    There was a vast transatlantic trade in slaves but 90+% of them ended up outside of the mainland US. Of the few hundred thousand that were imported there has been a vast natural increase.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    , @athEIst
    @Otto the P

    Most were sold to the sugar plantations(Caribbean and Brazilian)which consumed slaves. Picking cotton isn't fun but it is a lot less lethal than cutting sugar.

  14. Pat Casey says:

    The deep links between misogyny and American sports culture remain unexamined.

    Ah yes. Reminds me of taking that sociology course.

    Deep links

    . Cause of course the fans and especially the players HATE the cheerleaders, which is obviously to obvious to even mention. And when the football guy biffs his gf in the face, that’s because he HATES the skank she annoyed him into punching her over. And the culture of sports, well. There is so much seething contempt for the wives who interrupt the boys watching football when they bring in the pizza and popcorn for them in those beer commercials, those men must beat their wives black and blue. I mean we’re talking about these

    deep links

    . I don’t even know if I should watch the next NBA playoff game, in case I spit on some girl tomorrow, the links are so deep I think. And yeah obviously the best M word for OJ is misogynist. Deep links. We know that men who play sports HATE women by the way they treat them like Men. That’s when the real prejudice comes out.

  15. @ziel
    @Michelle


    That is why Blacks on O.J.’s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face...
     
    No, they were unimpressed because they were not allowed to hear about it

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

  16. @Ivy
    Maybe Robert Shapiro can chime in about his old pal OJ. Or is he forever barred from that under attorney client privilege?

    Replies: @D. K.

    Robert Shapiro was one of the interviewees in the Megyn Kelly special that aired on Fox (not FNC) on Tuesday night.

  17. @Dave Pinsen

    Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.
     
    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America's top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.



    https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/733771186329395200

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Das, @CJ, @p s c, @Tipo 61, @Erik Sieven, @AndrewR

    What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    I have read maybe ten accounts of such cases, most from Okinawa, over the years. To the very best of my recollection the percentage is 100.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @CJ

    ....Uh....would you believe...99%....

    https://thegoombagazette.com/2016/03/14/rape-in-okinawa-why/

    Replies: @CJ

  18. @Otto the P
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Not only that but slavery, along with mud huts and the Supersoaker, is one of the rare genuine African inventions. They didn't get around to the wheel, perspective, medicine or navigation, but they were quick to enslave their fellows. It was practiced in Africa for at least 12,000 years before the pinprick in time (what, 300 years?) it was practiced via the trans-Atlantic slave trade, with Africans selling Africans to Muslims who eventually sold to the tiny fraction of white Americans who were end users. Oh, and peanut butter.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @athEIst

    I thought they invented peanuts.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Danindc

    George Washington Carver (same alma mater as me, Iowa State) found many uses for peanuts.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The issue concerning this trial was not whether O.J. did it, but whether an African-American, for once, could get away with it — sort of like the affirmative action of criminal justice — because white people had gotten away with it so many times. The most awkward moment in People vs. Simpson was when Simpson, after his acquittal, says “We should find the culprit, or culprits” to a room full of people. There’s an awkward silence in the room, because everyone implicitly knew that O.J. actually did it.

    In his original incarnation, OJ was custom made to give proof to White America’s delusional narrative that “clean, well-spoken negros who shed ghetto culture and are ambitious” can succeed in life.

    This fantasy view of an equal opportunity America was of course was forgotten the instant he was seen as an abusive, murdering thug, whose supporters were blind to justice.

    In America, sometimes you can’t win. If you’re black anyway.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Anonymous

    In America, sometimes you can't win. If your black anyway.

    Seems to me he was winning just fine until the murder trial. He had millions of fans and millions of dollars. He lived in a beautiful mansion. And he did get off from the charges.

    , @guest
    @Anonymous

    How many black people were in that room?

    I think you're right about a certain share of O.J. supporters. I'm sure there were some who wanted him to get off whether he did it or not. Still others tried their darndest not to think about whether he really did it. However, there was a substantial portion of the population who truly believed the LAPD set him up. Just like there are people now who think Mike Brown had his hands up and Trayvon Martin was ambushed on his way home to study for AP Chemistry, or whatever.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Golden, our resident apologist for all things white....OJ did "win"....he was acquitted of a double homicide. The case would be like you finding dog shit on your rug and thinking a strange dog broke into your house, because it couldn't possibly be your dog.

  20. I could guess what “Narrative-Approved lens” we can view Ron Goldman through, based on him being a handsome L.A. waiter, but that’s never been confirmed. Besides, are gays still a Thing? Haven’t we moved onto people who identify as sea monsters, or something?

    IDueling Narrative can be fun, by the way, but it gets old fast. I watched Christian Laettner’s 30 for 30 recently, though I don’t know why (except he used to be a Timberwolf), and assumed it’d be all about race. Because he was the Larry Bird of the NCAA, the Great White College Basketball Hope, and we’re he blonder he’d have looked like a Nazi Youth poster. Apparently the filmmakers took the hint of articles like this one, and tried to cram everything in. There was Class, because he was a preppie and went to Duke. Race, for obvious reasons. World War G ate up a considerable amount of time due to his good looks and an allegedly weirdly close relationship with one of his teammates. I’m surprised they didn’t reveal he secretly wanted to be a woman.

  21. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    Actually the black women on the jury pretty much despised Nicole, which was well known to the defense team and missed by the clueless Marcia Clark, who fantasized she had some kind of “connection” with black women. The black women deeply resented what they saw as a white gold-digger who had ‘stolen’ a rich, successful, handsome black man from them.

    • Replies: @Jim Sweeney
    @anon

    And don't forget the self-aggrandizing District Attorney who moved the trial from Santa Monica where it should have been conducted to the Central courthouse so he could be on TV regularly. The Santa Monica jury panel is wholly different from the downtown panel.

    Replies: @Keypusher

    , @David In TN
    @anon

    Absolutely. Nicole in life was what every black woman (of any social class) hates with every fiber of their being. And white women I discussed the subject with didn't like her very much either, also seeing her of a gold-digger, and as someone with no self-respect who wouldn't stand up for herself.

    However, white women didn't want Simpson acquitted.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @123

  22. @Anonymous
    The issue concerning this trial was not whether O.J. did it, but whether an African-American, for once, could get away with it -- sort of like the affirmative action of criminal justice -- because white people had gotten away with it so many times. The most awkward moment in People vs. Simpson was when Simpson, after his acquittal, says "We should find the culprit, or culprits" to a room full of people. There's an awkward silence in the room, because everyone implicitly knew that O.J. actually did it.

    In his original incarnation, OJ was custom made to give proof to White America's delusional narrative that "clean, well-spoken negros who shed ghetto culture and are ambitious" can succeed in life.

    This fantasy view of an equal opportunity America was of course was forgotten the instant he was seen as an abusive, murdering thug, whose supporters were blind to justice.

    In America, sometimes you can't win. If you're black anyway.

    Replies: @anon, @guest, @Buffalo Joe

    In America, sometimes you can’t win. If your black anyway.

    Seems to me he was winning just fine until the murder trial. He had millions of fans and millions of dollars. He lived in a beautiful mansion. And he did get off from the charges.

  23. @Anonymous
    The issue concerning this trial was not whether O.J. did it, but whether an African-American, for once, could get away with it -- sort of like the affirmative action of criminal justice -- because white people had gotten away with it so many times. The most awkward moment in People vs. Simpson was when Simpson, after his acquittal, says "We should find the culprit, or culprits" to a room full of people. There's an awkward silence in the room, because everyone implicitly knew that O.J. actually did it.

    In his original incarnation, OJ was custom made to give proof to White America's delusional narrative that "clean, well-spoken negros who shed ghetto culture and are ambitious" can succeed in life.

    This fantasy view of an equal opportunity America was of course was forgotten the instant he was seen as an abusive, murdering thug, whose supporters were blind to justice.

    In America, sometimes you can't win. If you're black anyway.

    Replies: @anon, @guest, @Buffalo Joe

    How many black people were in that room?

    I think you’re right about a certain share of O.J. supporters. I’m sure there were some who wanted him to get off whether he did it or not. Still others tried their darndest not to think about whether he really did it. However, there was a substantial portion of the population who truly believed the LAPD set him up. Just like there are people now who think Mike Brown had his hands up and Trayvon Martin was ambushed on his way home to study for AP Chemistry, or whatever.

  24. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I will never understand "white guilt" over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    Replies: @Otto the P, @anon, @Drakejax, @Jefferson, @Dr. X, @Tex, @anon

    Many whites were also slaves. The word slave comes from Slav after all. The Muslim Barbary pirates enslaved perhaps 2,000,000 Europeans, perhaps five times the number of Africans that were sent to the USA.

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @anon

    Almost seven times more, actually. The US has paid through the nose for those 300 thousand slaves it imported, which eventually became the 40 million richest and most developed Africans on the planet. The places in the Americas which imported millions of blacks (around 13 million) and then killed them off or assimilated them to some brown continuum where they cease to exist as a group get no problems, since they're pretty difficult to shake down for money and privileges.

    Also, I'd like to add the slaves the Ottomans took from the Balkans, including as blood tribute, which were guaranteed to be beautiful, strong and young.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  25. @Dave Pinsen

    Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.
     
    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America's top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.



    https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/733771186329395200

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Das, @CJ, @p s c, @Tipo 61, @Erik Sieven, @AndrewR

    Anyone remember Kendrick Ledet? He was a Marine stationed on Okinawa back in ’95 and was convicted of raping a 12 yo female along with 2 accomplices.

    Ledet was released from Japanese prison after 6 years and went back to his home state of Georgia. He raped and murdered a young (white) woman named Lauren Cooper in 2006. Ledet committed suicide shortly after.

    Keepin’ it real!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

  26. I never thought much about OJ Simpson when he played foodball. I only remember while working at the Pasadena annex of the post office, a letter came through addressed simply to OJ Simpson with no address and everyone had to gather round and look at it. I’m sure it found its way to him somehow.

    Years later I got into watching the Naked Gun movies and his slapstick role was even more hilarious, in a meta sort of way.

  27. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I will never understand "white guilt" over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    Replies: @Otto the P, @anon, @Drakejax, @Jefferson, @Dr. X, @Tex, @anon

    The Royal Navy, with some minor assistance from the fledgling US Navy, put the stop to the slave trade. Part of this accomplishment required colonizing pieces of West Africa. So white people stopped slavery, yet get blamed for it.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Thomas Fuller
    @Drakejax

    Matters are even more complicated by the fact that the Royal Navy of the period depended on impressment which, in practice, was barely distinguishable from slavery:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment

    The history of human relations is so complicated and unknowable that present-day attempts to denounce, or (even more ludicrously) apologize for, the deeds of our forebears are as ridiculous as they are futile – except of course for those with an axe to grind.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Hippopotamusdrome

  28. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    Do you seriously assert that black women are influenced by events of 150+ years ago?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jim Sweeney

    They probably are, to some extent. Being a product, to a certain extent, of history, is common to us all.

  29. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I will never understand "white guilt" over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    Replies: @Otto the P, @anon, @Drakejax, @Jefferson, @Dr. X, @Tex, @anon

    “I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?”

    I rarely meet a Guinea who feels guilt over slavery. That’s something you WASPs are obsessed with.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Jefferson

    Some young Italian-American women, like other young women in America, embrace SJW fads.

    , @Lurker
    @Jefferson

    Divide and rule old boy - while whites are generally blamed, The Agenda™ makes it clear that actually WASPs are the ones to really carry the can.

    See also the flight from white. White hispanics have already totally bailed on white status (when it suits them). Tptb are looking to replicate this among other white ethnicities as whites become a minority in the US.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson, I know that you have self identified has having an Italian lineage, but please drop the use of the term Guinea, it is demeaning.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Jay
    @Jefferson

    WASP as in New England slave trader and Tidewater planter. The Scots-Irish while not completely uninvolved in slave-holding were relatively minor participants. For those Ulstermen who were slave-holders, the nature of upland farms limited the number held; therefore the slaves on such farms lived mostly as stable family groups and had lives closer to their masters than was the case on plantations. The Ulstermen were also first or second generation slave-holders, having arrived a century after the Tidewater was deeply committed to African slavery.

  30. @anon
    @Michelle

    Actually the black women on the jury pretty much despised Nicole, which was well known to the defense team and missed by the clueless Marcia Clark, who fantasized she had some kind of "connection" with black women. The black women deeply resented what they saw as a white gold-digger who had 'stolen' a rich, successful, handsome black man from them.

    Replies: @Jim Sweeney, @David In TN

    And don’t forget the self-aggrandizing District Attorney who moved the trial from Santa Monica where it should have been conducted to the Central courthouse so he could be on TV regularly. The Santa Monica jury panel is wholly different from the downtown panel.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @Jim Sweeney

    Don't be ridiculous. They could have held that trial in Outer Mongolia and it still would have been on television every night.

    The prosecutors decided to have the trial in the Central courthouse because (especially after Rodney King) they thought it was important to have a "representative" jury.

    Replies: @Jack D

  31. I remember watching a low budget Lifetime film in the 1990s where a Mulatto woman played by an actress named Jasmine Guy, marries a White man she met in the military.

    He ends up becoming an abusive alcoholic husband, beats her, and eventually murders her. It’s like the OJ case, except the races are reversed. It’s a man bites dog film.

    • Replies: @M_Young
    @Jefferson

    "He ends up becoming an abusive alcoholic husband, beats her, and eventually murders her. It’s like the OJ case, except the races are reversed. It’s a man bites dog film."

    And of course, law and order did the same thing, with a white baseball player (Bobby Cannavale) taking OJ's role.

    http://lawandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Murder_Book

    Plot here

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS17E16MurderBook

  32. @Trelane
    It is unfortunate that OJ would be remembered by his trial, when, as an African American he is best remembered by his play on the field.

    As a star running back for the Buffalo Bills in the 1970s, he built a reputation for himself but it doesn't matter anymore. He was "jungle Jim", outside the stadium, brut and charisma, looking good.

    Always watch out for the dread moray eel if you're a sociopath, it will get you every time. Trust me I know.

    Replies: @AlphaSupremo

    Local boys spent a lot of quarters to shine his silver bowl. See: Kato

  33. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/22/opinion/sunday/dont-blame-diversity-for-distrust.html

    Robert Putnam doesn’t go far enough in denouncing his own research, so the NYT found some sociologists who were willing to do so far more mendaciously.

  34. OT: that interview in Taki Mag did not go unnoticed:
    Eagles of Death Metal dropped by two French festivals over Bataclan commentshttp://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36340715

    There is some weird suicidal streak in French. Definitely more than in almost all of their neighbors.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Anonymous

    The concerts were cancelled because Jesse Hughes lied through his teeth about what happened, claiming that the Bataclan attack was an inside job. He already had said something similar, and recanted, before his going whole hog with Gavin McIness, at Taki's Magazine, several days ago. In reality, he and other members of his band's entourage escaped promptly, without injury, out the backstage exit, as was reported that same night by KTLA, ABC 7, in Los Angeles, based on reports from family members who had been in touch with some of the band's personnel in Paris.

  35. I was in Philadelphia the day after the verdict. All the black folks I encountered were bubbly and smiling, it was weird. I almost got mad for a minute, but then, whatever. I will say I have never invested in a capital case of any kind since then. I just assume the jury will get it wrong.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @SPMoore8

    For blacks the thinking was, "black people have been losing in America for 300 years. He's our chance to win one for the black team." Actual justice for Ron and Nicole was much less important to them than racial justice for all of black America. It was nothing personal. I'm sure that if OJ had been white, the black jurors would have had no problem finding guilt. Juries usually get it right but this was an unusual case in that the defense was (assisted by the idiot judge - Asians can sometimes be as stupid as Jews when it comes to these matters and the clueless prosecutors who allowed the trial to take place downtown instead of having OJ judged by a jury of his Brentwood peers) allowed to make this case about racial justice. The system breaks down mainly in these kind of high profile cases - everyday juries are usually common sensical.

  36. “But the film, which so persuasively treats law enforcement racism as a systemic problem, can’t figure out how to treat violence against women with the same kind of rigor or nuance.”

    Blackness trumps the war on women. All you Feminazis should bow down like a docile submissive housewife to your Black male masters who own you like you are a piece of property.

  37. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it

    .

    They sometimes fight back.

    A friend of mine, when he was a young doctor doing his residency, worked in the ER at a large public hospital in Baltimore. He used to see all sorts of victims of marital violence. One regular was an older black male who often ended up at the ER after a dust-up with his wife. He’d slap her around, and when she had enough, she’d stab him with a paring knife. The wounds were typically messy but superficial. He’d then come into the ER via the “amberlamps” to be patched up, and when the cops asked him if he wanted to press charges, he always declined.

    The last time they fought, his wife’s aim was deadlier. She cut a major artery, her husband bled out, and was dead on arrival at the ER. The police went to the house to inform his wife of this, and that she was under arrest for killing him. Her response, according to my doctor friend:

    “He die? He nebber do dat befo’!”

    • Replies: @Bren
    @Crawfurdmuir

    You don't cut funny!

    , @utu
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Black women are deadlier. I remember seeing a statistics that black women kill their partners more often than vice versa. We do not hear much about it as it does not fit to the feminist narrative.

    , @Brutusale
    @Crawfurdmuir

    I once had a black employee make the same point. White women were preferable because "A sista will cut your ass!". My girlfriend's stories from her urban hospital bear out his point.

  38. @Polymath
    When you meet a black person who was an adult at the time and the subject of the OJ case comes up, ask them 3 questions:
    1) do you think O.J. did it?
    2) (if they say yes) when did you arrive at that opinion?
    3a) (if they said some time before the end of the trial) when did you first tell a white person that you thought he did it?
    3b) (if they said some time after the trial) what new evidence changed your mind?

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @D. K., @Dave Pinsen

    I worked with a few blacks at that time in the 90’s. They were all convinced that OJ was innocent. Reasons? Nope, they just “felt” it. The cops were all racists. All cops everywhere are racist.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @stillCARealist

    The day after Simpson was arrested I was standing among a bunch of black guys on the Berkeley campus as a pick-up basketball game was about to start. They were discussing OJ and the biggest of the bunch said, "I think he did it, man," but it was a minority viewpoint.

    Replies: @dcite

    , @Jack D
    @stillCARealist

    Well that was 20 years ago. Nowadays blacks have a completely different view of the police.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @stillCARealist

    What would it take to convince you he was not guilty (he certainly wasn't innocent) of the crime? I watched the video formerly at this site and some of the doubt in the jury changed in my mind. I recall hearing jurors make the case: they simply did not show, in the timeline given, how it was possible that OJ did it. In other words, they were so focused on all the other stuff that they failed to show means, motive, and opportunity.

    I think the conclusion one drew from that missing video was that OJ's black son by his first wife did the crime, and OJ tried to cover it up. That actually makes a lot of sense and fills in gaps in the prosecution's case.

    Replies: @D. K.

  39. Everything in our age conspires to turn the writer, and every other kind of artist as well, into a minor official, working on themes handed down from above and never telling what seems to him the whole of the truth.- orwell

  40. @Dave Pinsen

    Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.
     
    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America's top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.



    https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/733771186329395200

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Das, @CJ, @p s c, @Tipo 61, @Erik Sieven, @AndrewR

    Constantly pointing out the obvious will extend the Great Awakening.

  41. Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.

    Good point, especially about the fact that O.J. occurred during the “second half”. Don’t suppose O.J. would’ve made it into overtime on this one.

    Also reading thru the review it makes one wonder whatever happened to Kato Kaelin. I’m sure he’s got a few stories to tell if a publisher approached him.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Kato's Warholian 15 minutes of fame are long past their sell-by date, but enough mojo lingers for him to scratch out a living doing "reality" TV shows and otherwise lingering around the edges of show business.

  42. @Polymath
    When you meet a black person who was an adult at the time and the subject of the OJ case comes up, ask them 3 questions:
    1) do you think O.J. did it?
    2) (if they say yes) when did you arrive at that opinion?
    3a) (if they said some time before the end of the trial) when did you first tell a white person that you thought he did it?
    3b) (if they said some time after the trial) what new evidence changed your mind?

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @D. K., @Dave Pinsen

    Question: What do you do when after asking these questions, the individual comes back with “Why do you care? Or is it because you’re a racist?”

    Tis a puzzlement, a puzzlement.

  43. @Anonymous
    OT: that interview in Taki Mag did not go unnoticed:
    Eagles of Death Metal dropped by two French festivals over Bataclan comments - http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-36340715

    There is some weird suicidal streak in French. Definitely more than in almost all of their neighbors.

    Replies: @D. K.

    The concerts were cancelled because Jesse Hughes lied through his teeth about what happened, claiming that the Bataclan attack was an inside job. He already had said something similar, and recanted, before his going whole hog with Gavin McIness, at Taki’s Magazine, several days ago. In reality, he and other members of his band’s entourage escaped promptly, without injury, out the backstage exit, as was reported that same night by KTLA, ABC 7, in Los Angeles, based on reports from family members who had been in touch with some of the band’s personnel in Paris.

  44. as is the fact that most of his friends ignored what was going on at their Rockingham estate.

    Option 1: Pay attention.

    “Dass rrraciss!!!”

    Option 2: Ignore it.

    “Dass rrrraciss!!!”

    O. J. Simpson is viewed as a symbol.

    Does this symbol have OJ with a bloody knife in his hands, and the corpses of a man and a woman at his feet? Cuz that would make sense.

  45. The last time they fought, his wife’s aim was deadlier. She cut a major artery, her husband bled out, and was dead on arrival at the ER. The police went to the house to inform his wife of this, and that she was under arrest for killing him. Her response, according to my doctor friend:

    “He die? He nebber do dat befo’!”

    This one made it into Predator II. Art imitates life, or life imitates art?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Svigor

    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally. He said he does not fight back because 1) he was taught not to hit women, and 2) he will be the one going to jail if she calls the police. Because, as we all know, women never lie.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @JSM, @Harry Baldwin, @Honesthughgrant

  46. @Polymath
    When you meet a black person who was an adult at the time and the subject of the OJ case comes up, ask them 3 questions:
    1) do you think O.J. did it?
    2) (if they say yes) when did you arrive at that opinion?
    3a) (if they said some time before the end of the trial) when did you first tell a white person that you thought he did it?
    3b) (if they said some time after the trial) what new evidence changed your mind?

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @D. K., @Dave Pinsen

    The one crucial piece of new evidence that came to light after October 3, 1995, of course, was the highly incriminating picture– used in the civil trial, in 1997– of O. J. Simpson, working as the on-field reporter at an NFL game, in a pair of those “ugly-ass” Bruno Magli shoes that O. J. earlier had stated that he never would deign to wear– a shoe model whose print was left in blood at the scene of the double homicide that he was acquitted of having committed.

    • Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist
    @D. K.

    There is no getting between a black man and name brand shoes.

  47. This was 20+ years ago, I know I don’t give a shit; people die.

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    @Truth

    Slavery was 150+ years ago; should we give a shit?

    Replies: @Truth

  48. Leftist conservative [AKA "Make Unz.com Great Again"] says: • Website

    Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.

    and in order to keep the political debate focused on dem vs gop, right vs left, it is important to avoid exploration into the reasons why “white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans.”

    We would not want the debate to wander off into the tall grass of the reasons why whites began to become extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans. Such idle intellectual curiosity is verboten. We want the political debate to be narrow and focused on the real enemy–those scurrilous libs. That is all that matters. The libs. We must maintain focus on the libs. We Must!

    And as usual Steve Sailer will not let us down. What a leader.

  49. Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you’re dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might’ve at least gotten him convicted.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Svigor


    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you’re dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might’ve at least gotten him convicted.
     
    Outside of "what good does a knife do you if he sneaks up behind and slits your throat?" ... I can see *no* reason for a white man--with anything going on--to be dating a woman with a black ex, much less a "jealous, abusive black ex".

    Upfront: I've done plenty of stupid things in my life, but a default requirement for a woman is to make reasonable choices about romantic\sex partners. For a white woman, a black ex is a giant "fail" and a signal of a bunch of character flaws that you do not want in a woman you're investing any time in.

    Despite the general decline in the quality of white women's behavior, since "liberation" or whatever you want to call it, there are still plenty of quality white women out there, who, with strong guidance from a man about what's required to merit his continued attention, can make fine girlfriends, wives, mothers. No need for slumming.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Dave Pinsen, @BB753

    , @Brutusale
    @Svigor

    Just don't bring a knife to a gunfight!

    , @Forbes
    @Svigor

    Ron Goldman was friends with Nicole--he wasn't dating her, i.e. he wasn't intimate with her. Goldman somewhat resembled the guy who was "dating" her. Goldman was present by an accidental turn of fate.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  50. This was 20+ years ago, I know I don’t give a shit; people die.

    Somebody cared enough to bankroll a movie about it; it came out 20 hours ago.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Svigor

    Yes, they are low-imagination, professional, illuminatti gaslighters, who's job it is to cause tension, and you are fools.

  51. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    Who cares? Let them sort that out amongst themselves. Does anyone have an idea on how to get statistics on white Americans murdered, raped, robbed and beaten by blacks since, say, the end of the Civil War until now?

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    @TheLatestInDecay

    this is something which makes me wonder. There are so many young men who spent their days mostly in the internet, working on the strangest things, statistics of computer games or something like that. And also there is this whole alt right / hbd sphere. Why is there no overlap, nobody who gets access to official data which might be public but underreported or not public yet and thus is able to draw a realistic picture of interracial vioelence, from beatings on the school yard up to murder?

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    , @Tex
    @TheLatestInDecay


    Does anyone have an idea on how to get statistics on white Americans murdered, raped, robbed and beaten by blacks since, say, the end of the Civil War until now?
     
    I'd say probably not, since it is inconceivable that all those convictions weren't racist frame ups. You could gather the numbers, but The Narrative insists they only show how racist whites are.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @TheLatestInDecay

    The Lastest, Don't need stats, just make them up, like the "thousands of blacks lynched by whites."

  52. Haha, easy to imagine a very different trial of the century: “Privileged White (not Jewish!) Male Guns Down Black Celeb (armed only with a knife!) in Cold Blood!”

    But, alas, Cali; it was not to be. They’ve legislated away that option, so, two deaths instead of one.

    Wait, who am I kidding? They would have called 911, and OJ would’ve lived to sue.

  53. Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.

    Len Bias, OJ, Tiger Woods, now Obama and Cosby.

    Of course the original was Hendrix.

    Still miss Hendrix.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
  54. The actors in the PVOJS are pretty good. Cochran, Shapiro (Travolta), Clark, and Darden are pretty dead-on. Travolta does a remarkable job, you almost forget it’s Travolta. But OJ (Cuba Gooding) doesn’t really capture the combination of affability/anger of OJ. Andre Braugher kinda looks like OJ but he’s too serious, OJ was a comedian and a murderer. And Gooding Jr. just doesn’t have the voice either, his voice is too high pitched. I seem to remember that OJ lost his job on NBC football right before the killings. It’s hard to believe now, but sports commentary was so basic back then that OJ – who probably couldn’t name the Raiders backup quarterback – was considered an acceptable expert for the Sunday NFL shows.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @bjdubbs


    Andre Braugher kinda looks like OJ but he’s too serious, OJ was a comedian and a murderer.
     
    Andre Braugher is a fine actor. I first saw him in that Homicide thingy years back--an after-the-kids-are-in-bed-need-to-chill-out timewaster. He brings some sort of inner "tension" or something to his performances that makes him interesting--to me--to watch. I don't know if he could stretch to do OJ or not. Off the top of my head, OJ just strikes me as not very deep--not a Braugher type to mine. But Braugher could do the affable white friendly shtick, and if he could get the comedy right, he could definitely pull off the dark side.

    OJ's a little bit sui-generis. They should have gotten OJ to play OJ.
  55. The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I’m baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Dave Shanken

    Blaming everything on white people is its own kind of white supremacism - the only kind still allowed.

    Analytics geeks eat it up.

    , @Hibernian
    @Dave Shanken

    Sports journalists always want to be like other journalists, including the leftwing politics.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Forbes

    , @Marty T
    @Dave Shanken

    ESPN has been increasingly leftist politically for years. They openly cheered gay "marriage", they gave an award to Bruce Jenner in drag, and they will fire you if you are open about your conservative views. But liberal views never get sanction.

    As for the audience, my guess is many dont like the politics, but for now ESPN is a semi monopoly.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jim Don Bob

    , @Lurker
    @Dave Shanken


    What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal.
     
    Those are the ones who still need to be cowed. Hard core liberals are already utterly cucked.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Dave Shanken

    Dave, I have always considered ESPN to be ultra liberal in all documentaries and commentaries. The white guy audience is there for the visuals, not the lectures. Remember Keith Olberman, can't get more left wing than him. ESPN executive and cast members consider them selves to be part of the entertainment industry, as in Hollywood.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    , @Forbes
    @Dave Shanken


    What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama.
     
    Clearly, you haven't been paying attention. ESPN has been doing this stuff for ages. Their sports coverage is so far adrift that the actual sporting match is an accidental by-product of their programming. The drama of sports competition is secondary to a soap opera of personal stories.
    , @oh its just me too
    @Dave Shanken

    EVERYTHING must serve the globalist/radical agenda -Sports are the perfect place for that :

    a. people who watch are 'addicted' and invest emotionally in 'their' teams. It's worked since the roman empire. So you have a literally captive audience. and the audience, as you noted is the one that needs the most reeducation -because they have become effeminized by watching other men instead of hunting or some other character building activity , it's the perfect place for it.

    b. what better place to prove black prowess? if only whitey wasn't keeping blacks down in the silicon valley the %s of minority startups would be as high as the black % of the NBA.

    c. large number of sports journalists are .... "scots-irish" and carry the same radical politics. Also the media companies that own these sport channels are carrying out the same radical/globalist agenda literally on 'all channels'.

  56. @Truth
    This was 20+ years ago, I know I don't give a shit; people die.

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos

    Slavery was 150+ years ago; should we give a shit?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Mark Eugenikos

    Well now, the period of slavery was a 300 year historical event that is interwoven with the history, economy, politics, and social structure of this nation, how it achieved it's place on top of the world pyramid. OJ Simpson on the other hand, is a guy who (allegedly) killed his wife.

    So you tell me which one is more significant.

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos

  57. Stuff’s gettin “real.”

    Some people object to that phrase, but I’m okay with it.

  58. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Blacks kept letting whites down’

    An interesting comment.

    But a moment’s reflection tells us – when we consider the appalling levels of violence meted out every single day by blacks other blacks – often for the most trivial of reasons – in the innumerable ghettoed of urban American, then is it any great surprise, that blacks ‘revert to type’?

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Anonymous


    the appalling levels of violence meted out every single day by blacks other blacks
     
    It's not just whites who blacks are letting down, it's just that it was whites who had their hopes up.
  59. @stillCARealist
    @Polymath

    I worked with a few blacks at that time in the 90's. They were all convinced that OJ was innocent. Reasons? Nope, they just "felt" it. The cops were all racists. All cops everywhere are racist.

    Replies: @Marty, @Jack D, @TomSchmidt

    The day after Simpson was arrested I was standing among a bunch of black guys on the Berkeley campus as a pick-up basketball game was about to start. They were discussing OJ and the biggest of the bunch said, “I think he did it, man,” but it was a minority viewpoint.

    • Replies: @dcite
    @Marty

    I was in a black church that lib-white friends took me to one time, that did have some white members. The minister mentioned the OJ trial during his sermon, and said something to the effect, can't remember the exact words, but to the effect that everyone really knew OJ was guilty. This was maybe a year or two after the trial. Didn't know if he was saying it to get a more diverse congregation, or what, but he sounded sincere and intelligent. It is a fact that more black males than females thought Simpson was guilty. Whether they wanted him to serve time is another thing.

  60. @Dave Shanken
    The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I'm baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian, @Marty T, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @oh its just me too

    Blaming everything on white people is its own kind of white supremacism – the only kind still allowed.

    Analytics geeks eat it up.

  61. @Anonymous
    'Blacks kept letting whites down'

    An interesting comment.

    But a moment's reflection tells us - when we consider the appalling levels of violence meted out every single day by blacks other blacks - often for the most trivial of reasons - in the innumerable ghettoed of urban American, then is it any great surprise, that blacks 'revert to type'?

    Replies: @Desiderius

    the appalling levels of violence meted out every single day by blacks other blacks

    It’s not just whites who blacks are letting down, it’s just that it was whites who had their hopes up.

  62. Doesn’t O.J. Simpson come up this year for parole?

    I seem to recall he got 30 years and a minimum of 9 years without parole in 2007 for armed robbery and kidnapping.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @PiltdownMan

    Hopefully the parole board will take note of his Kim Kardashian obsession and keep him in jail.

    , @David In TN
    @PiltdownMan

    He comes up for parole in 2017.

  63. @Polymath
    When you meet a black person who was an adult at the time and the subject of the OJ case comes up, ask them 3 questions:
    1) do you think O.J. did it?
    2) (if they say yes) when did you arrive at that opinion?
    3a) (if they said some time before the end of the trial) when did you first tell a white person that you thought he did it?
    3b) (if they said some time after the trial) what new evidence changed your mind?

    Replies: @stillCARealist, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @D. K., @Dave Pinsen

    I worked in an office with a couple of young black women when the verdict was announced. They high-fived each other and one of them said, “Justice is served!”.

    • Replies: @Connecticut Famer
    @Dave Pinsen

    In their feverish minds this was payback for Emmett Till. And all this time I thought this would be the story of a double-murderer who initially reaped the benefits of something called "Jury Nullification" but who eventually (and belatedly) got his just desserts. It's amazing what people wielding a camera with the intent of fulfilling an agenda can do.

    And the icing on the cake? We got----The Kardashians!

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Dave Pinsen

    @Dave Pinsen: I worked in an office with a couple of young black women when the verdict was announced. They high-fived each other and one of them said, “Justice is served!”.

    When the verdict was read, I was having lunch at a crowded Bennigan's with two black ( mid-level manager, white-collar) coworkers. All the TVs in the place were tuned to the Court TV channel. Nearly all the Whites and, except for my two coworkers, all the blacks raucously cheered the verdict. My two black coworkers went silent, looked down, and seemed embarrassed.

    @Davice Allen coe: Nicole was a gold digger, she was not a sympathetic character.

    A while back, I think our blog host or some other wrote a short armchair psychological analysis of Nicole Brown Simpson, wondering what her father was like and why she was running around upscale LA at 18 y/o with the married OJ Simpson and not dating frat boys at some third-tier state university, or at least attending community college somewhere. If not a gold-digger, then Sailer would surely classify Nicole as an "adventuress"!

  64. @TheLatestInDecay
    @Michelle

    Who cares? Let them sort that out amongst themselves. Does anyone have an idea on how to get statistics on white Americans murdered, raped, robbed and beaten by blacks since, say, the end of the Civil War until now?

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Tex, @Buffalo Joe

    this is something which makes me wonder. There are so many young men who spent their days mostly in the internet, working on the strangest things, statistics of computer games or something like that. And also there is this whole alt right / hbd sphere. Why is there no overlap, nobody who gets access to official data which might be public but underreported or not public yet and thus is able to draw a realistic picture of interracial vioelence, from beatings on the school yard up to murder?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Erik Sieven

    There's a book called The Color of Crime which has data of the type you describe. It documents the stupendous level of black crimnality and how much (a lot) is black on white.

  65. @Dave Pinsen

    Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.
     
    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America's top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.



    https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/733771186329395200

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Das, @CJ, @p s c, @Tipo 61, @Erik Sieven, @AndrewR

    when white americans make their one live miserable by racial integration it is already a sad thing, but forcing others to do the same is on a special level of evil.

  66. @Anonymous
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/20/outrage-in-japan-as-american-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-woman-on-okinawa/

    Replies: @David, @Cryptogenic

    It’s sort of different that Japs get upset when strange black men murder their daughters. I wonder what kind of mentality they must have.

  67. @Jim Sweeney
    @anon

    And don't forget the self-aggrandizing District Attorney who moved the trial from Santa Monica where it should have been conducted to the Central courthouse so he could be on TV regularly. The Santa Monica jury panel is wholly different from the downtown panel.

    Replies: @Keypusher

    Don’t be ridiculous. They could have held that trial in Outer Mongolia and it still would have been on television every night.

    The prosecutors decided to have the trial in the Central courthouse because (especially after Rodney King) they thought it was important to have a “representative” jury.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Keypusher

    It's ironic because Santa Monica would have been truly a jury of OJ's "peers". OJ never wanted to have anything to do with black people before he was arrested.

    Although leftists pretend not to notice things like black criminality, in fact they are keenly aware of them (you can see from things like their revealed preference in where they send their kids to school) and take them into account in their decision making, just not in a way that conforms with justice and common sense.

    Replies: @Alfa158

  68. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I will never understand "white guilt" over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    Replies: @Otto the P, @anon, @Drakejax, @Jefferson, @Dr. X, @Tex, @anon

    I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery.

    Whites are not guilty over slavery. So-called “white guilt” is merely moral posturing. The intent is to make one group of whites (urban liberals) feel superior to other whites (rednecks and lowbrow crackers who go to church on Sunday and vote Republican).

    • Agree: PV van der Byl
  69. @D. K.
    @Polymath

    The one crucial piece of new evidence that came to light after October 3, 1995, of course, was the highly incriminating picture-- used in the civil trial, in 1997-- of O. J. Simpson, working as the on-field reporter at an NFL game, in a pair of those "ugly-ass" Bruno Magli shoes that O. J. earlier had stated that he never would deign to wear-- a shoe model whose print was left in blood at the scene of the double homicide that he was acquitted of having committed.

    Replies: @yaqub the mad scientist

    There is no getting between a black man and name brand shoes.

  70. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Michelle


    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it
     
    .

    They sometimes fight back.

    A friend of mine, when he was a young doctor doing his residency, worked in the ER at a large public hospital in Baltimore. He used to see all sorts of victims of marital violence. One regular was an older black male who often ended up at the ER after a dust-up with his wife. He'd slap her around, and when she had enough, she'd stab him with a paring knife. The wounds were typically messy but superficial. He'd then come into the ER via the "amberlamps" to be patched up, and when the cops asked him if he wanted to press charges, he always declined.

    The last time they fought, his wife's aim was deadlier. She cut a major artery, her husband bled out, and was dead on arrival at the ER. The police went to the house to inform his wife of this, and that she was under arrest for killing him. Her response, according to my doctor friend:

    "He die? He nebber do dat befo'!"

    Replies: @Bren, @utu, @Brutusale

    You don’t cut funny!

  71. @ziel

    Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.
     
    Bullseye .. and right down to Barack Obama's last 2 years in office

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @ChrisZ

    I agree, ziel, with the importance of Steve’s final paragraph–and your addition of the current president to the record. This is a “secret” understory of the current presidential contest on the Dem side. For the overwhelmingly white Bernie supporters, lack of black enthusiasm is an inexplicable irritant. Among Hillary supporters, I sense a resentment at the inability of the “black vote” to play its traditional role in securing the candidate’s nomination. The recriminations stemming from a Trump victory may deepen these feelings of white liberal alienation from blacks.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @ChrisZ


    Among Hillary supporters, I sense a resentment at the inability of the “black vote” to play its traditional role in securing the candidate’s nomination.
     
    That doesn't make any sense. Black voters are doing "their part" and voting overwhelmingly for Hillary - it's not their fault if everyone else detests her.

    As for Bernie supporters, I haven't heard a peep from them about the "inexplicable" lack of support. That would require them to draw uncomfortable conclusions so they just ignore it.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @ChrisZ

    The recriminations stemming from a Trump victory may deepen these feelings of white liberal alienation from blacks.

    I foresee a 1,000-percent increase in white liberal alienation from non-liberal whites. That's part of what makes it all worthwhile.

  72. White woman marries black man who kills her. I hope my younger female co-ethnics draw the right conclusion.

  73. Cryptogenic [AKA "Gentile Ben"] says:
    @Anonymous
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/20/outrage-in-japan-as-american-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-woman-on-okinawa/

    Replies: @David, @Cryptogenic

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/05/20/outrage-in-japan-as-american-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-woman-on-okinawa/

    It’s apparent in the article (the mother says he dindunuffins) but you have to search elsewhere for confirmation that the suspect is black, just like the three US soldiers who raped and murdered a 12-year-old Okinawan girl in 1995. The legacy of Louis Till lives on.

  74. @Drakejax
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    The Royal Navy, with some minor assistance from the fledgling US Navy, put the stop to the slave trade. Part of this accomplishment required colonizing pieces of West Africa. So white people stopped slavery, yet get blamed for it.

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller

    Matters are even more complicated by the fact that the Royal Navy of the period depended on impressment which, in practice, was barely distinguishable from slavery:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment

    The history of human relations is so complicated and unknowable that present-day attempts to denounce, or (even more ludicrously) apologize for, the deeds of our forebears are as ridiculous as they are futile – except of course for those with an axe to grind.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Thomas Fuller

    Good point but impressed men were paid as sailors and it wasn't for life. Also the press gang ceased after the end of the Napoleonic Wars while anti-slavery operations continued after that point.

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Thomas Fuller



    the Royal Navy of the period depended on impressment which, in practice, was barely distinguishable from slavery

     

    Sort of like conscription?
  75. What OJ Simpson taught me was that blacks do not care about justice or right and wrong, and only care about their own skin color.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @whorefinder

    Exactly. Which was the first time I remember thinking about why it was OK for some chosen groups of people to have a tribal attitude, but not me.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @whorefinder


    What OJ Simpson taught me was that blacks do not care about justice or right and wrong, and only care about their own skin color.
     
    Simpson seemed to like a skin color other than his own.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

  76. I was happy to see OJ found not guilty. It confirmed my views of our culture while demonstrating the results of our leftist media and education complex .

    In addition the trial highlighted the dangers white females face when they associate with blacks. Nicole was a gold digger, she was not a sympathetic character. In many cultures Simpson’s actions would be seen as justified. She dissed OJ, while she continued to take his money and flaunt her slutty behavior for all to see. If I was on the jury I would not have convicted OJ of murder.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @David Allan coe

    Roundabout way of saying you've been cucked.

  77. @Otto the P
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Not only that but slavery, along with mud huts and the Supersoaker, is one of the rare genuine African inventions. They didn't get around to the wheel, perspective, medicine or navigation, but they were quick to enslave their fellows. It was practiced in Africa for at least 12,000 years before the pinprick in time (what, 300 years?) it was practiced via the trans-Atlantic slave trade, with Africans selling Africans to Muslims who eventually sold to the tiny fraction of white Americans who were end users. Oh, and peanut butter.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @athEIst

    It’s still practiced in many parts of Africa, most notably Mauratania.

  78. WGG says:

    Crimestop is exactly right. It isn’t only that you aren’t supposed to notice black on white crime, noticing is actively policed against. When the American Bowlcut, Dylann Roof, killed nine members of a black church in South Carolina, the media put a precise spin on it. I have read repeatedly that he googled “black on white crime” as if that was the first crime and the shootings were just a follow up.

    But it is precisely *because* the media lies and covers up the truth about black crime that a certain percentage of disturbed people will not be able to contain their rage or violence when reality finally presents itself. Knowing about black crime understandably outrages the white public when they find out, and obviously the average person doesn’t start shooting people. But that is what they want you to think. Look up black on white crime, and you might as well be Dylann Roof.

  79. @Svigor

    The last time they fought, his wife’s aim was deadlier. She cut a major artery, her husband bled out, and was dead on arrival at the ER. The police went to the house to inform his wife of this, and that she was under arrest for killing him. Her response, according to my doctor friend:

    “He die? He nebber do dat befo’!”
     
    This one made it into Predator II. Art imitates life, or life imitates art?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally. He said he does not fight back because 1) he was taught not to hit women, and 2) he will be the one going to jail if she calls the police. Because, as we all know, women never lie.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jim Don Bob


    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally.
     
    Geez, talk to your friend. I supposed it's possible that both he and his wife are on opposite ends of their respective sex's personality spectrum, and this relationship could be "stable". But from the huge majority of relationship observations I've made in life, a woman being able to roll right over her man--essentially not having a man that is her superior--is very unstable. It violates female hypergamy. Mostly when a woman loses respect, it just snowballs--gets worse and worse, onto contempt and more--into divorce.

    Unless they are in some bizarre stable kink, i'd suggest when she tries to beat on him, stop her, flip her over and give her a good spanking. I think the marriage from that point on will be a lot better. It might be what she's actually looking for from him--boundaries.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @JSM
    @Jim Don Bob

    A true story: On old guy I once knew, a retired widower, hard of hearing, Reagan conservative, got involved with a divorcee, she a Hillary / Obama supporter. She did have going for her that she wasn't grossly fat and ten years younger. He was lonely, you know, whatever.

    They didn't cohabitate, both of them owning their own houses, but they each had a key to the other's house and would go traveling together.

    One day this nutjob divorcee got ticked off because she decided the old gent hadn't been paying her sufficient attention and deference of late. So in the middle of the night, she unlocked his house door, crept into his bedroom where the old guy was snoring, and commenced screaming and beating him with her purse.

    He woke with a start, naturally, and it being dark and him hard of hearing, he didn't initially understand who it was or what was happening. He jumped out of bed, swinging his arms. A few seconds later, having come fully awake and realizing it was her being a wildcat, he scooped her up in a blanket to stop her whomping on him, wooshed her out his front door (him in his underwear) and unceremoniously dumped her in the snowbank.

    So what does the crazy old harpy do? She goes to the D.A. and files a "domestic violence" complaint.

    You'd think the D.A. would laugh, no? After all, SHE entered HIS house and started it by smacking him with her purse. Nope. D. A. took the case.

    This old guy in a panic, thinking, I'm retired, she'll take me for all I have, asked her what it would take to settle.
    Her price was ten grand. So he took a reverse mortgage on his house to pay her extortion fee.

    Moral of the story? Stay far, far away from libtarded divorcees, even when you're old.

    Replies: @Danindc

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @Jim Don Bob

    From what I've heard, female-on-male spousal abuse is far more common than you would think. A man may have a physical advantage, but if his wife gets in the first few licks with a golf club or attacks him when he's sleeping, the odds even up quite a bit. And as you say, men are reluctant to report it.

    , @Honesthughgrant
    @Jim Don Bob

    Why the hell should he "fight back"? Just leave. What kind of man stays with a women who beats him?

  80. @Dave Pinsen
    @Polymath

    I worked in an office with a couple of young black women when the verdict was announced. They high-fived each other and one of them said, "Justice is served!".

    Replies: @Connecticut Famer, @E. Rekshun

    In their feverish minds this was payback for Emmett Till. And all this time I thought this would be the story of a double-murderer who initially reaped the benefits of something called “Jury Nullification” but who eventually (and belatedly) got his just desserts. It’s amazing what people wielding a camera with the intent of fulfilling an agenda can do.

    And the icing on the cake? We got—-The Kardashians!

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Connecticut Famer

    I doubt they'd ever heard of Emmett Till.

  81. @anon
    @Michelle

    Actually the black women on the jury pretty much despised Nicole, which was well known to the defense team and missed by the clueless Marcia Clark, who fantasized she had some kind of "connection" with black women. The black women deeply resented what they saw as a white gold-digger who had 'stolen' a rich, successful, handsome black man from them.

    Replies: @Jim Sweeney, @David In TN

    Absolutely. Nicole in life was what every black woman (of any social class) hates with every fiber of their being. And white women I discussed the subject with didn’t like her very much either, also seeing her of a gold-digger, and as someone with no self-respect who wouldn’t stand up for herself.

    However, white women didn’t want Simpson acquitted.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @David In TN

    The apple never falls far from the tree.

    Nicole's folks aren't wholly blameless. She wanted to leave O.J. years before she did, but they pushed her to stay so they could keep on milking the Juice.

    If your wealthy son-in-law were beating your daughter, would you tell her to grin and bear it for the sake of your bank account? If the answer is yes, then you're a POS.

    Replies: @David In TN

    , @123
    @David In TN

    Nonwhites-both male and female-hate white women far more than they hate white men.

    Replies: @Jack D

  82. What I still want to know about the OJ trial was which policeman took a bribe and swapped the gloves?

  83. I was in Philadelphia the day after the verdict. All the black folks I encountered were bubbly and smiling, it was weird.

    I was living and working in Philadelphia at the time. I was told by someone who worked in a department of my organization that was mostly staffed by blacks that when the verdict was announced, there was a big cheer.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    @RudyM

    I worked at a AF base in CA at the time and when the verdict came in on CNN, all the black workers who saw it were cheering.

    This is the black in all his glory.

  84. @Svigor
    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you're dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might've at least gotten him convicted.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Brutusale, @Forbes

    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you’re dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might’ve at least gotten him convicted.

    Outside of “what good does a knife do you if he sneaks up behind and slits your throat?” … I can see *no* reason for a white man–with anything going on–to be dating a woman with a black ex, much less a “jealous, abusive black ex”.

    Upfront: I’ve done plenty of stupid things in my life, but a default requirement for a woman is to make reasonable choices about romantic\sex partners. For a white woman, a black ex is a giant “fail” and a signal of a bunch of character flaws that you do not want in a woman you’re investing any time in.

    Despite the general decline in the quality of white women’s behavior, since “liberation” or whatever you want to call it, there are still plenty of quality white women out there, who, with strong guidance from a man about what’s required to merit his continued attention, can make fine girlfriends, wives, mothers. No need for slumming.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @AnotherDad

    I can see *no* reason for a white man–with anything going on–to be dating a woman with a black ex, much less a “jealous, abusive black ex”...For a white woman, a black ex is a giant “fail” and a signal of a bunch of character flaws...

    Yep, and, according to the CDC, she's be at a very high risk for having a sexually transmitted disease.

    , @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    I worked in a (different) office once, when a new office assistant started, a white girl. The current assistant, an Italian girl who grew up in mostly-NAM city, looked at her and said to me, "She's got a kid, and the father's black". She was 2-for-2.

    Replies: @bomag, @E. Rekshun

    , @BB753
    @AnotherDad

    My rule is: no tattoos or piercings on a woman. Those are the marks of a slut.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

  85. @Danindc
    @Otto the P

    I thought they invented peanuts.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    George Washington Carver (same alma mater as me, Iowa State) found many uses for peanuts.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @Hibernian

    But did he? Or did he just take credit for the work Ta-Nehisi Coates's grandfather did?

  86. @bjdubbs
    The actors in the PVOJS are pretty good. Cochran, Shapiro (Travolta), Clark, and Darden are pretty dead-on. Travolta does a remarkable job, you almost forget it's Travolta. But OJ (Cuba Gooding) doesn't really capture the combination of affability/anger of OJ. Andre Braugher kinda looks like OJ but he's too serious, OJ was a comedian and a murderer. And Gooding Jr. just doesn't have the voice either, his voice is too high pitched. I seem to remember that OJ lost his job on NBC football right before the killings. It's hard to believe now, but sports commentary was so basic back then that OJ - who probably couldn't name the Raiders backup quarterback - was considered an acceptable expert for the Sunday NFL shows.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Andre Braugher kinda looks like OJ but he’s too serious, OJ was a comedian and a murderer.

    Andre Braugher is a fine actor. I first saw him in that Homicide thingy years back–an after-the-kids-are-in-bed-need-to-chill-out timewaster. He brings some sort of inner “tension” or something to his performances that makes him interesting–to me–to watch. I don’t know if he could stretch to do OJ or not. Off the top of my head, OJ just strikes me as not very deep–not a Braugher type to mine. But Braugher could do the affable white friendly shtick, and if he could get the comedy right, he could definitely pull off the dark side.

    OJ’s a little bit sui-generis. They should have gotten OJ to play OJ.

  87. @Jim Sweeney
    @Michelle

    Do you seriously assert that black women are influenced by events of 150+ years ago?

    Replies: @Hibernian

    They probably are, to some extent. Being a product, to a certain extent, of history, is common to us all.

  88. @Jefferson
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    "I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?"

    I rarely meet a Guinea who feels guilt over slavery. That's something you WASPs are obsessed with.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Jay

    Some young Italian-American women, like other young women in America, embrace SJW fads.

  89. @Dave Shanken
    The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I'm baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian, @Marty T, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @oh its just me too

    Sports journalists always want to be like other journalists, including the leftwing politics.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Hibernian

    Right. It's the only way they can prove that they are serious Journalists and not just jock sniffers, e.g., almost everybody at ESPN.

    , @Forbes
    @Hibernian

    Jock-sniffing sports reporters believe they are journalists--after all, it's all commentary and opinion--hence, The Narrative. Reporting is telling the story of what happened, but so-called journalism puts on an interpretive lens to tell you how and why the story happened, conforming to The Narrative, regardless of what happened.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

  90. @PiltdownMan
    Doesn't O.J. Simpson come up this year for parole?

    I seem to recall he got 30 years and a minimum of 9 years without parole in 2007 for armed robbery and kidnapping.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @David In TN

    Hopefully the parole board will take note of his Kim Kardashian obsession and keep him in jail.

  91. @Dave Shanken
    The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I'm baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian, @Marty T, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @oh its just me too

    ESPN has been increasingly leftist politically for years. They openly cheered gay “marriage”, they gave an award to Bruce Jenner in drag, and they will fire you if you are open about your conservative views. But liberal views never get sanction.

    As for the audience, my guess is many dont like the politics, but for now ESPN is a semi monopoly.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Marty T

    Every single non cucked man stopped watching ESPN when Craig Kilborn left.

    I've been using the word cucked a lot lately. It's enjoyable. Have a problem with it? Then you're a, you guessed it, cuck.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Marty T

    Half of the people who "pay" $5 or $6 a month for ESPN because it is bundled into a package of stuff they want do not even watch it. ESPN has signed $5+ billion of sports contracts. A la carte pricing of cable channels, which I have suggested to President Trump, would put them out of business. My two year agreement with Verizon is up in late June and I am cutting the cord.

  92. @Mark Eugenikos
    @Truth

    Slavery was 150+ years ago; should we give a shit?

    Replies: @Truth

    Well now, the period of slavery was a 300 year historical event that is interwoven with the history, economy, politics, and social structure of this nation, how it achieved it’s place on top of the world pyramid. OJ Simpson on the other hand, is a guy who (allegedly) killed his wife.

    So you tell me which one is more significant.

    • Replies: @Mark Eugenikos
    @Truth


    Well now, the period of slavery was a 300 year historical event that is interwoven with the history, economy, politics, and social structure of this nation, how it achieved it’s (sic) place on top of the world pyramid.
     
    Its place, not "it's" place.

    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it? If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid. It would only be fair to measure it both ways, no?

    So you tell me which one is more significant.
     
    Slavery is of course more significant historically than OJ. The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we "give a shit", to use your words again? I don't see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery.

    Replies: @Truth

  93. @Svigor

    This was 20+ years ago, I know I don’t give a shit; people die.
     
    Somebody cared enough to bankroll a movie about it; it came out 20 hours ago.

    Replies: @Truth

    Yes, they are low-imagination, professional, illuminatti gaslighters, who’s job it is to cause tension, and you are fools.

  94. @CJ
    @Dave Pinsen

    What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    I have read maybe ten accounts of such cases, most from Okinawa, over the years. To the very best of my recollection the percentage is 100.

    Replies: @Truth

    • Replies: @CJ
    @Truth

    Sure I'd believe 99%, but I was talking about murders, not rapes. I've never myself heard or read about a murder case involving the U.S. military in Japan where the perp wasn't black, but the odds are that there must have been at least one sometime.

    But following up on your rape report, U.S. military rapes in Okinawa actually started before the atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The story will interest you -- its original Wikipedia entry was titled Cave of the Negroes.

    http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Cave_of_the_Negroes_incident

    Replies: @Truth

  95. @Hibernian
    @Dave Shanken

    Sports journalists always want to be like other journalists, including the leftwing politics.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Forbes

    Right. It’s the only way they can prove that they are serious Journalists and not just jock sniffers, e.g., almost everybody at ESPN.

  96. Tex says:
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I will never understand "white guilt" over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    Replies: @Otto the P, @anon, @Drakejax, @Jefferson, @Dr. X, @Tex, @anon

    I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    I used to teach ESL. A West African student told me that i his country, it’s considered friendly banter for members of one ethnic group to tell someone from a different group, “Didn’t my ancestors used to enslave yours?”

  97. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OJ had a young white girlfriend during and after his trial. One might think that a person who murders his significant other might be a bad choice for boyfriend. Yet here we have white women lining up to date this negro murderer. What is wrong with this segment of the white population? Their parents must be proud.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @anonymous

    There is a significant population of females which tends to fall for criminal males.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

  98. When OJ was found “not guilty”, I remember my brother telling me, it is very hard to convict a millionaire of murder, their lawyers are so much better than the prosecuting attorneys. Of course this jury was about race, and Robert Blake’s jury was about a woman that was hated for gold digging, but had OJ or Blake or Robert Durst (and there are many others) had a public defender, they would have gone to jail. Prosecutors plead out the bad cases, and they are up against over worked public defenders on the others but they rarely go up against a defense team who can match them in resources, can afford the best experts and are more experienced trial lawyers. And when they do, they stumble, look inept, and make obvious mistakes. It would be like even a decent college football team playing against an excellent professional team for the first time. That would not be pretty.

    • Replies: @e
    @Cwhatfuture

    I used to assume Blake was guilty until I saw a special last year on his year in jail, the trial, and the life of his murdered wife. It seems much more likely that a former chump his wife took to the cleaners was the murdered. She was, after all, a supreme grifter, and there were many who had motives to knock her off. Wish I could tell you the name of the show, but I can't recall it.

    Replies: @D. K.

  99. @Otto the P
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Not only that but slavery, along with mud huts and the Supersoaker, is one of the rare genuine African inventions. They didn't get around to the wheel, perspective, medicine or navigation, but they were quick to enslave their fellows. It was practiced in Africa for at least 12,000 years before the pinprick in time (what, 300 years?) it was practiced via the trans-Atlantic slave trade, with Africans selling Africans to Muslims who eventually sold to the tiny fraction of white Americans who were end users. Oh, and peanut butter.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @athEIst

    George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter.

    There was a vast transatlantic trade in slaves but 90+% of them ended up outside of the mainland US. Of the few hundred thousand that were imported there has been a vast natural increase.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @Jack D


    George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter.
     
    You are correct. My Black History class (at The Ta-Nehisi Coates Classical Academy in Groton Connecticut) taught us that the "peanut story" was an OSS invention to "cover" Dr. Carver's actual work on the Atomic bomb and radar.
  100. @Dave Pinsen

    Black violent crime against whites is a huge statistical phenomenon that we aren’t supposed to recognize as even a Thing.
     
    Speaking of which, what about black violent crime against Japanese (see the latest incident below)? What % of US servicemen/contractors who killed Japanese women were black?

    Re white Americans becoming favorably disposed toward black Americans: I think this is something millennials might not grok. From, say, 1983 to 1993 we had the mega stardom of Michael Jackson and Prince in music; O.J. Simpson in comedies and as a broadcaster; Carl Lewis, FloJo, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, the Dream Team in sports; Carl Weathers becoming a hero (and then a martyr) in the Rocky sequels; Danny Glover and Mel Gibson as buddy cops in the Lethal Weapon series; Bill Cosby in the #1 TV show in America; Colin Powell as America's top military man; Tom Bradley as mayor of Los Angeles, David Dinkins as may or of New York; etc.



    https://twitter.com/BoSnerdley/status/733771186329395200

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @Das, @CJ, @p s c, @Tipo 61, @Erik Sieven, @AndrewR

    Bizarre comment. Just because we “Millennials” (like all “Xers” and many “Boomers”) have no memory of the Bad Old Days when society didn’t kiss black ass doesn’t mean we aren’t aware of the huge shift in attitudes over the last 50-60 years.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @AndrewR

    To really be "aware of the huge shift in attitudes over the last 50-60 years" it helps to have observed them first hand, i.e., be at lest 55 years of age.

  101. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Michelle


    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it
     
    .

    They sometimes fight back.

    A friend of mine, when he was a young doctor doing his residency, worked in the ER at a large public hospital in Baltimore. He used to see all sorts of victims of marital violence. One regular was an older black male who often ended up at the ER after a dust-up with his wife. He'd slap her around, and when she had enough, she'd stab him with a paring knife. The wounds were typically messy but superficial. He'd then come into the ER via the "amberlamps" to be patched up, and when the cops asked him if he wanted to press charges, he always declined.

    The last time they fought, his wife's aim was deadlier. She cut a major artery, her husband bled out, and was dead on arrival at the ER. The police went to the house to inform his wife of this, and that she was under arrest for killing him. Her response, according to my doctor friend:

    "He die? He nebber do dat befo'!"

    Replies: @Bren, @utu, @Brutusale

    Black women are deadlier. I remember seeing a statistics that black women kill their partners more often than vice versa. We do not hear much about it as it does not fit to the feminist narrative.

    • Agree: Triumph104
  102. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    Yes, because their women being “supportive” (i.e. enabling men who treat them like shit) is working out so well for the black community.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Anonymous

    I should have qualified that by stating that Black women rarely marry outside their race.

  103. @Jim Don Bob
    @Svigor

    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally. He said he does not fight back because 1) he was taught not to hit women, and 2) he will be the one going to jail if she calls the police. Because, as we all know, women never lie.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @JSM, @Harry Baldwin, @Honesthughgrant

    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally.

    Geez, talk to your friend. I supposed it’s possible that both he and his wife are on opposite ends of their respective sex’s personality spectrum, and this relationship could be “stable”. But from the huge majority of relationship observations I’ve made in life, a woman being able to roll right over her man–essentially not having a man that is her superior–is very unstable. It violates female hypergamy. Mostly when a woman loses respect, it just snowballs–gets worse and worse, onto contempt and more–into divorce.

    Unless they are in some bizarre stable kink, i’d suggest when she tries to beat on him, stop her, flip her over and give her a good spanking. I think the marriage from that point on will be a lot better. It might be what she’s actually looking for from him–boundaries.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @AnotherDad

    She has filed or divorce. He is relieved.

  104. @SPMoore8
    I was in Philadelphia the day after the verdict. All the black folks I encountered were bubbly and smiling, it was weird. I almost got mad for a minute, but then, whatever. I will say I have never invested in a capital case of any kind since then. I just assume the jury will get it wrong.

    Replies: @Jack D

    For blacks the thinking was, “black people have been losing in America for 300 years. He’s our chance to win one for the black team.” Actual justice for Ron and Nicole was much less important to them than racial justice for all of black America. It was nothing personal. I’m sure that if OJ had been white, the black jurors would have had no problem finding guilt. Juries usually get it right but this was an unusual case in that the defense was (assisted by the idiot judge – Asians can sometimes be as stupid as Jews when it comes to these matters and the clueless prosecutors who allowed the trial to take place downtown instead of having OJ judged by a jury of his Brentwood peers) allowed to make this case about racial justice. The system breaks down mainly in these kind of high profile cases – everyday juries are usually common sensical.

  105. @stillCARealist
    @Polymath

    I worked with a few blacks at that time in the 90's. They were all convinced that OJ was innocent. Reasons? Nope, they just "felt" it. The cops were all racists. All cops everywhere are racist.

    Replies: @Marty, @Jack D, @TomSchmidt

    Well that was 20 years ago. Nowadays blacks have a completely different view of the police.

  106. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Here’s the real message of O.J.’s life: During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.


    Good point, especially about the fact that O.J. occurred during the "second half". Don't suppose O.J. would've made it into overtime on this one.

    Also reading thru the review it makes one wonder whatever happened to Kato Kaelin. I'm sure he's got a few stories to tell if a publisher approached him.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Kato’s Warholian 15 minutes of fame are long past their sell-by date, but enough mojo lingers for him to scratch out a living doing “reality” TV shows and otherwise lingering around the edges of show business.

  107. @Hibernian
    @Danindc

    George Washington Carver (same alma mater as me, Iowa State) found many uses for peanuts.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    But did he? Or did he just take credit for the work Ta-Nehisi Coates’s grandfather did?

  108. @Keypusher
    @Jim Sweeney

    Don't be ridiculous. They could have held that trial in Outer Mongolia and it still would have been on television every night.

    The prosecutors decided to have the trial in the Central courthouse because (especially after Rodney King) they thought it was important to have a "representative" jury.

    Replies: @Jack D

    It’s ironic because Santa Monica would have been truly a jury of OJ’s “peers”. OJ never wanted to have anything to do with black people before he was arrested.

    Although leftists pretend not to notice things like black criminality, in fact they are keenly aware of them (you can see from things like their revealed preference in where they send their kids to school) and take them into account in their decision making, just not in a way that conforms with justice and common sense.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    A jury in Santa Monica would very likely have consisted of pretty much the same racial mix. The city of Los Angeles is not all that black, I think even then it was about 15%. (Even less now since Section 8 plus ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Watts by Latino colonists). The jury was unrepresentatively black because the defense wanted nullification, while the prosecutors didn't want to look like racists who had him convicted by a White jury, and figured Black women would vote guilty anyway. In LA County jury pools are drawn from very large geographic areas. I live in the Beach cities and have served on juries in downtown LA more than 20 miles away. A jury pool in Santa Monica would have had about as many black prospective jurors as one in LA and the lawyers would have empaneled the same mix.

    Replies: @David In TN, @anon

  109. @Jack D
    @Otto the P

    George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter.

    There was a vast transatlantic trade in slaves but 90+% of them ended up outside of the mainland US. Of the few hundred thousand that were imported there has been a vast natural increase.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    George Washington Carver did not invent peanut butter.

    You are correct. My Black History class (at The Ta-Nehisi Coates Classical Academy in Groton Connecticut) taught us that the “peanut story” was an OSS invention to “cover” Dr. Carver’s actual work on the Atomic bomb and radar.

  110. @ChrisZ
    @ziel

    I agree, ziel, with the importance of Steve's final paragraph--and your addition of the current president to the record. This is a "secret" understory of the current presidential contest on the Dem side. For the overwhelmingly white Bernie supporters, lack of black enthusiasm is an inexplicable irritant. Among Hillary supporters, I sense a resentment at the inability of the "black vote" to play its traditional role in securing the candidate's nomination. The recriminations stemming from a Trump victory may deepen these feelings of white liberal alienation from blacks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Harry Baldwin

    Among Hillary supporters, I sense a resentment at the inability of the “black vote” to play its traditional role in securing the candidate’s nomination.

    That doesn’t make any sense. Black voters are doing “their part” and voting overwhelmingly for Hillary – it’s not their fault if everyone else detests her.

    As for Bernie supporters, I haven’t heard a peep from them about the “inexplicable” lack of support. That would require them to draw uncomfortable conclusions so they just ignore it.

  111. Tex says:
    @TheLatestInDecay
    @Michelle

    Who cares? Let them sort that out amongst themselves. Does anyone have an idea on how to get statistics on white Americans murdered, raped, robbed and beaten by blacks since, say, the end of the Civil War until now?

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Tex, @Buffalo Joe

    Does anyone have an idea on how to get statistics on white Americans murdered, raped, robbed and beaten by blacks since, say, the end of the Civil War until now?

    I’d say probably not, since it is inconceivable that all those convictions weren’t racist frame ups. You could gather the numbers, but The Narrative insists they only show how racist whites are.

  112. @Jefferson
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    "I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?"

    I rarely meet a Guinea who feels guilt over slavery. That's something you WASPs are obsessed with.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Jay

    Divide and rule old boy – while whites are generally blamed, The Agenda™ makes it clear that actually WASPs are the ones to really carry the can.

    See also the flight from white. White hispanics have already totally bailed on white status (when it suits them). Tptb are looking to replicate this among other white ethnicities as whites become a minority in the US.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Lurker

    "See also the flight from white. White hispanics have already totally bailed on white status (when it suits them)."

    It is a lot easier for White Hispanics to bail on White status when they are a lot less likely to be genetically 100 percent Caucasian than North American White Gringos.

    The White Hispanic Eva Longoria for example is 3 percent Sub Saharan African and 27 percent Amerindian according to her DNA results. So she can legit flight from White if she wants to.

  113. @Dave Shanken
    The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I'm baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian, @Marty T, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @oh its just me too

    What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal.

    Those are the ones who still need to be cowed. Hard core liberals are already utterly cucked.

    • Agree: Desiderius
  114. @Thomas Fuller
    @Drakejax

    Matters are even more complicated by the fact that the Royal Navy of the period depended on impressment which, in practice, was barely distinguishable from slavery:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment

    The history of human relations is so complicated and unknowable that present-day attempts to denounce, or (even more ludicrously) apologize for, the deeds of our forebears are as ridiculous as they are futile – except of course for those with an axe to grind.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Hippopotamusdrome

    Good point but impressed men were paid as sailors and it wasn’t for life. Also the press gang ceased after the end of the Napoleonic Wars while anti-slavery operations continued after that point.

    • Replies: @Thomas Fuller
    @Lurker

    Yes, but ... quite often RN ships approaching their home port at the end of a cruise (and at the end of some of the pressed men's term) would be boarded by press-gangs and the newly freed men would be impressed yet again and not even allowed to set foot on land. Some pressed men served for 25 or even 30 years before, being by then decrepit, they were released – only to find that their wives, etc., had died or remarried.

    I agree with you otherwise!

  115. @AnotherDad
    @Jim Don Bob


    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally.
     
    Geez, talk to your friend. I supposed it's possible that both he and his wife are on opposite ends of their respective sex's personality spectrum, and this relationship could be "stable". But from the huge majority of relationship observations I've made in life, a woman being able to roll right over her man--essentially not having a man that is her superior--is very unstable. It violates female hypergamy. Mostly when a woman loses respect, it just snowballs--gets worse and worse, onto contempt and more--into divorce.

    Unless they are in some bizarre stable kink, i'd suggest when she tries to beat on him, stop her, flip her over and give her a good spanking. I think the marriage from that point on will be a lot better. It might be what she's actually looking for from him--boundaries.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    She has filed or divorce. He is relieved.

  116. @Otto the P
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Not only that but slavery, along with mud huts and the Supersoaker, is one of the rare genuine African inventions. They didn't get around to the wheel, perspective, medicine or navigation, but they were quick to enslave their fellows. It was practiced in Africa for at least 12,000 years before the pinprick in time (what, 300 years?) it was practiced via the trans-Atlantic slave trade, with Africans selling Africans to Muslims who eventually sold to the tiny fraction of white Americans who were end users. Oh, and peanut butter.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Yak-15, @Jack D, @athEIst

    Most were sold to the sugar plantations(Caribbean and Brazilian)which consumed slaves. Picking cotton isn’t fun but it is a lot less lethal than cutting sugar.

  117. @anon
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Many whites were also slaves. The word slave comes from Slav after all. The Muslim Barbary pirates enslaved perhaps 2,000,000 Europeans, perhaps five times the number of Africans that were sent to the USA.

    Replies: @Romanian

    Almost seven times more, actually. The US has paid through the nose for those 300 thousand slaves it imported, which eventually became the 40 million richest and most developed Africans on the planet. The places in the Americas which imported millions of blacks (around 13 million) and then killed them off or assimilated them to some brown continuum where they cease to exist as a group get no problems, since they’re pretty difficult to shake down for money and privileges.

    Also, I’d like to add the slaves the Ottomans took from the Balkans, including as blood tribute, which were guaranteed to be beautiful, strong and young.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Romanian

    "The places in the Americas which imported millions of blacks (around 13 million) and then killed them off or assimilated them to some brown continuum where they cease to exist as a group get no problems, since they’re pretty difficult to shake down for money and privileges."

    Most Hispanics have more Sub Saharan African admixture than Rachel Dolezal, yet very few Latinos self identify themselves as Black.

    Almost every Hispanic celebrity who went on Henry Louis Gates show and took a DNA test, have at least some Negro admixture in their DNA results.

    Funny that racial miscegenation in Latin America created less people who self identify as Black. In North America racial miscegenation created more people who self identify as Black.

    If the Quadroon Dominican and Puerto Rican actress Michelle Rodriguez was a Gringa, she would have milked the shit out of her quarter Sub Saharan African ancestry for affrimative action and political purposes.

  118. @Marty
    @stillCARealist

    The day after Simpson was arrested I was standing among a bunch of black guys on the Berkeley campus as a pick-up basketball game was about to start. They were discussing OJ and the biggest of the bunch said, "I think he did it, man," but it was a minority viewpoint.

    Replies: @dcite

    I was in a black church that lib-white friends took me to one time, that did have some white members. The minister mentioned the OJ trial during his sermon, and said something to the effect, can’t remember the exact words, but to the effect that everyone really knew OJ was guilty. This was maybe a year or two after the trial. Didn’t know if he was saying it to get a more diverse congregation, or what, but he sounded sincere and intelligent. It is a fact that more black males than females thought Simpson was guilty. Whether they wanted him to serve time is another thing.

  119. Black US soldiers have been raping Okinawan women for a long, long time:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945_Katsuyama_killing_incident

  120. Discounting the fact that OJ lived a life that most men can only dream about….the killer phrase is…”as a black man caught up in the criminal justice system.” That says it all.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Buffalo Joe

    "...caught up in the criminal-justice system".


    You really have to admire the verbal gymnastics used here. As if like "the system" is a super giant-sized butterfly net just swooping down and scooping up a hapless black man for absolutely no reason and not arresting him for slaughtering two innocent people.

  121. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    Michelle, Treat your guy in a personal way, but never, ever be supportive of an abusive man.

  122. @Anonymous
    The issue concerning this trial was not whether O.J. did it, but whether an African-American, for once, could get away with it -- sort of like the affirmative action of criminal justice -- because white people had gotten away with it so many times. The most awkward moment in People vs. Simpson was when Simpson, after his acquittal, says "We should find the culprit, or culprits" to a room full of people. There's an awkward silence in the room, because everyone implicitly knew that O.J. actually did it.

    In his original incarnation, OJ was custom made to give proof to White America's delusional narrative that "clean, well-spoken negros who shed ghetto culture and are ambitious" can succeed in life.

    This fantasy view of an equal opportunity America was of course was forgotten the instant he was seen as an abusive, murdering thug, whose supporters were blind to justice.

    In America, sometimes you can't win. If you're black anyway.

    Replies: @anon, @guest, @Buffalo Joe

    Golden, our resident apologist for all things white….OJ did “win”….he was acquitted of a double homicide. The case would be like you finding dog shit on your rug and thinking a strange dog broke into your house, because it couldn’t possibly be your dog.

  123. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Michelle


    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it
     
    .

    They sometimes fight back.

    A friend of mine, when he was a young doctor doing his residency, worked in the ER at a large public hospital in Baltimore. He used to see all sorts of victims of marital violence. One regular was an older black male who often ended up at the ER after a dust-up with his wife. He'd slap her around, and when she had enough, she'd stab him with a paring knife. The wounds were typically messy but superficial. He'd then come into the ER via the "amberlamps" to be patched up, and when the cops asked him if he wanted to press charges, he always declined.

    The last time they fought, his wife's aim was deadlier. She cut a major artery, her husband bled out, and was dead on arrival at the ER. The police went to the house to inform his wife of this, and that she was under arrest for killing him. Her response, according to my doctor friend:

    "He die? He nebber do dat befo'!"

    Replies: @Bren, @utu, @Brutusale

    I once had a black employee make the same point. White women were preferable because “A sista will cut your ass!”. My girlfriend’s stories from her urban hospital bear out his point.

  124. @Jefferson
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    "I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?"

    I rarely meet a Guinea who feels guilt over slavery. That's something you WASPs are obsessed with.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Jay

    Jefferson, I know that you have self identified has having an Italian lineage, but please drop the use of the term Guinea, it is demeaning.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Jefferson, I know that you have self identified has having an Italian lineage, but please drop the use of the term Guinea, it is demeaning."

    If that word offends you so much, than I recommend you never watch The Anthony Cumia Show, because he has used that word plenty of times even to describe himself.

    Replies: @Marty, @Buffalo Joe

  125. @TheLatestInDecay
    @Michelle

    Who cares? Let them sort that out amongst themselves. Does anyone have an idea on how to get statistics on white Americans murdered, raped, robbed and beaten by blacks since, say, the end of the Civil War until now?

    Replies: @Erik Sieven, @Tex, @Buffalo Joe

    The Lastest, Don’t need stats, just make them up, like the “thousands of blacks lynched by whites.”

  126. @Svigor
    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you're dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might've at least gotten him convicted.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Brutusale, @Forbes

    Just don’t bring a knife to a gunfight!

  127. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    If you were White, I think you would have capitalized it since you also capitalized black.

  128. @whorefinder
    What OJ Simpson taught me was that blacks do not care about justice or right and wrong, and only care about their own skin color.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar

    Exactly. Which was the first time I remember thinking about why it was OK for some chosen groups of people to have a tribal attitude, but not me.

  129. @Dave Shanken
    The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I'm baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian, @Marty T, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @oh its just me too

    Dave, I have always considered ESPN to be ultra liberal in all documentaries and commentaries. The white guy audience is there for the visuals, not the lectures. Remember Keith Olberman, can’t get more left wing than him. ESPN executive and cast members consider them selves to be part of the entertainment industry, as in Hollywood.

    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    @Buffalo Joe

    I have always considered ESPN to be ultra liberal in all documentaries and commentaries.

    A couple of years ago, I purchased a special $10 annual subscription to ESPN the Magazine. All the articles were very liberal, subtle and not-so-subtle anti-White, and black worship. The magazine kept coming for another year after I let my subscription expire; and now I get renewal offers every month or so.

  130. @Buffalo Joe
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson, I know that you have self identified has having an Italian lineage, but please drop the use of the term Guinea, it is demeaning.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Jefferson, I know that you have self identified has having an Italian lineage, but please drop the use of the term Guinea, it is demeaning.”

    If that word offends you so much, than I recommend you never watch The Anthony Cumia Show, because he has used that word plenty of times even to describe himself.

    • Replies: @Marty
    @Jefferson

    I second the request. I don't care what Cumia, whoever he is, does. Here in SF, where most of us are northern italian and have class, I've never heard anyone use the term. Have more respect for yourself.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jefferson

    Jefferson, No idea who Anthony Cumia is, but the word Paisan would nicely cover what you are trying to say. Ok, Paisan?

  131. @Svigor
    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you're dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might've at least gotten him convicted.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @Brutusale, @Forbes

    Ron Goldman was friends with Nicole–he wasn’t dating her, i.e. he wasn’t intimate with her. Goldman somewhat resembled the guy who was “dating” her. Goldman was present by an accidental turn of fate.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Forbes

    We all look the same to OJ.

  132. @Hibernian
    @Dave Shanken

    Sports journalists always want to be like other journalists, including the leftwing politics.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @Forbes

    Jock-sniffing sports reporters believe they are journalists–after all, it’s all commentary and opinion–hence, The Narrative. Reporting is telling the story of what happened, but so-called journalism puts on an interpretive lens to tell you how and why the story happened, conforming to The Narrative, regardless of what happened.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Forbes

    The sportswriters actually worth reading avoid talking to players like the plague.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Forbes

    +1. An excellent point on the distinction between reporting and Journalism. I miss the former, and blame much of the rise of the latter on TV news.

  133. @Dave Pinsen
    @Polymath

    I worked in an office with a couple of young black women when the verdict was announced. They high-fived each other and one of them said, "Justice is served!".

    Replies: @Connecticut Famer, @E. Rekshun

    : I worked in an office with a couple of young black women when the verdict was announced. They high-fived each other and one of them said, “Justice is served!”.

    When the verdict was read, I was having lunch at a crowded Bennigan’s with two black ( mid-level manager, white-collar) coworkers. All the TVs in the place were tuned to the Court TV channel. Nearly all the Whites and, except for my two coworkers, all the blacks raucously cheered the verdict. My two black coworkers went silent, looked down, and seemed embarrassed.

    @Davice Allen coe: Nicole was a gold digger, she was not a sympathetic character.

    A while back, I think our blog host or some other wrote a short armchair psychological analysis of Nicole Brown Simpson, wondering what her father was like and why she was running around upscale LA at 18 y/o with the married OJ Simpson and not dating frat boys at some third-tier state university, or at least attending community college somewhere. If not a gold-digger, then Sailer would surely classify Nicole as an “adventuress”!

  134. @AnotherDad
    @Svigor


    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you’re dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might’ve at least gotten him convicted.
     
    Outside of "what good does a knife do you if he sneaks up behind and slits your throat?" ... I can see *no* reason for a white man--with anything going on--to be dating a woman with a black ex, much less a "jealous, abusive black ex".

    Upfront: I've done plenty of stupid things in my life, but a default requirement for a woman is to make reasonable choices about romantic\sex partners. For a white woman, a black ex is a giant "fail" and a signal of a bunch of character flaws that you do not want in a woman you're investing any time in.

    Despite the general decline in the quality of white women's behavior, since "liberation" or whatever you want to call it, there are still plenty of quality white women out there, who, with strong guidance from a man about what's required to merit his continued attention, can make fine girlfriends, wives, mothers. No need for slumming.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Dave Pinsen, @BB753

    I can see *no* reason for a white man–with anything going on–to be dating a woman with a black ex, much less a “jealous, abusive black ex”…For a white woman, a black ex is a giant “fail” and a signal of a bunch of character flaws…

    Yep, and, according to the CDC, she’s be at a very high risk for having a sexually transmitted disease.

  135. @Buffalo Joe
    @Dave Shanken

    Dave, I have always considered ESPN to be ultra liberal in all documentaries and commentaries. The white guy audience is there for the visuals, not the lectures. Remember Keith Olberman, can't get more left wing than him. ESPN executive and cast members consider them selves to be part of the entertainment industry, as in Hollywood.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun

    I have always considered ESPN to be ultra liberal in all documentaries and commentaries.

    A couple of years ago, I purchased a special $10 annual subscription to ESPN the Magazine. All the articles were very liberal, subtle and not-so-subtle anti-White, and black worship. The magazine kept coming for another year after I let my subscription expire; and now I get renewal offers every month or so.

  136. @Dave Shanken
    The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I'm baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian, @Marty T, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @oh its just me too

    What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama.

    Clearly, you haven’t been paying attention. ESPN has been doing this stuff for ages. Their sports coverage is so far adrift that the actual sporting match is an accidental by-product of their programming. The drama of sports competition is secondary to a soap opera of personal stories.

  137. @David In TN
    @anon

    Absolutely. Nicole in life was what every black woman (of any social class) hates with every fiber of their being. And white women I discussed the subject with didn't like her very much either, also seeing her of a gold-digger, and as someone with no self-respect who wouldn't stand up for herself.

    However, white women didn't want Simpson acquitted.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @123

    The apple never falls far from the tree.

    Nicole’s folks aren’t wholly blameless. She wanted to leave O.J. years before she did, but they pushed her to stay so they could keep on milking the Juice.

    If your wealthy son-in-law were beating your daughter, would you tell her to grin and bear it for the sake of your bank account? If the answer is yes, then you’re a POS.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Stan Adams

    "Nicole's folks aren't wholly blameless."

    An understatement. They pushed her to "get back together" after O.J. cut them off when they divorced.

    Detectives Lange and Vanatter felt Nicole's father didn't accept she was dead or that Simpson was guilty.Marcia Clark was amazed that Lou Brown seemed totally indifferent to his daughter's murder, wasn't mad at Simpson, and refused to help the prosecution.

    This is from their books. Lou Brown seems to have gone beyond what you call a "POS."

    Replies: @Michelle

  138. @Dave Shanken
    The comment in the NYT is exactly what any rational observer of American society would expect from the NYT. What surprises me is that ESPN is emitting this anti-white socio-docudrama. Most of their audience is white male, of differing ideological orientations, but certainly not majority hard core liberal. In any event, many in the sports audience wish to get away from social issues for awhile.

    I'm baffled; an explanation would be appreciated.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Hibernian, @Marty T, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Forbes, @oh its just me too

    EVERYTHING must serve the globalist/radical agenda -Sports are the perfect place for that :

    a. people who watch are ‘addicted’ and invest emotionally in ‘their’ teams. It’s worked since the roman empire. So you have a literally captive audience. and the audience, as you noted is the one that needs the most reeducation -because they have become effeminized by watching other men instead of hunting or some other character building activity , it’s the perfect place for it.

    b. what better place to prove black prowess? if only whitey wasn’t keeping blacks down in the silicon valley the %s of minority startups would be as high as the black % of the NBA.

    c. large number of sports journalists are …. “scots-irish” and carry the same radical politics. Also the media companies that own these sport channels are carrying out the same radical/globalist agenda literally on ‘all channels’.

  139. @Romanian
    @anon

    Almost seven times more, actually. The US has paid through the nose for those 300 thousand slaves it imported, which eventually became the 40 million richest and most developed Africans on the planet. The places in the Americas which imported millions of blacks (around 13 million) and then killed them off or assimilated them to some brown continuum where they cease to exist as a group get no problems, since they're pretty difficult to shake down for money and privileges.

    Also, I'd like to add the slaves the Ottomans took from the Balkans, including as blood tribute, which were guaranteed to be beautiful, strong and young.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “The places in the Americas which imported millions of blacks (around 13 million) and then killed them off or assimilated them to some brown continuum where they cease to exist as a group get no problems, since they’re pretty difficult to shake down for money and privileges.”

    Most Hispanics have more Sub Saharan African admixture than Rachel Dolezal, yet very few Latinos self identify themselves as Black.

    Almost every Hispanic celebrity who went on Henry Louis Gates show and took a DNA test, have at least some Negro admixture in their DNA results.

    Funny that racial miscegenation in Latin America created less people who self identify as Black. In North America racial miscegenation created more people who self identify as Black.

    If the Quadroon Dominican and Puerto Rican actress Michelle Rodriguez was a Gringa, she would have milked the shit out of her quarter Sub Saharan African ancestry for affrimative action and political purposes.

  140. @Lurker
    @Jefferson

    Divide and rule old boy - while whites are generally blamed, The Agenda™ makes it clear that actually WASPs are the ones to really carry the can.

    See also the flight from white. White hispanics have already totally bailed on white status (when it suits them). Tptb are looking to replicate this among other white ethnicities as whites become a minority in the US.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “See also the flight from white. White hispanics have already totally bailed on white status (when it suits them).”

    It is a lot easier for White Hispanics to bail on White status when they are a lot less likely to be genetically 100 percent Caucasian than North American White Gringos.

    The White Hispanic Eva Longoria for example is 3 percent Sub Saharan African and 27 percent Amerindian according to her DNA results. So she can legit flight from White if she wants to.

  141. @ChrisZ
    @ziel

    I agree, ziel, with the importance of Steve's final paragraph--and your addition of the current president to the record. This is a "secret" understory of the current presidential contest on the Dem side. For the overwhelmingly white Bernie supporters, lack of black enthusiasm is an inexplicable irritant. Among Hillary supporters, I sense a resentment at the inability of the "black vote" to play its traditional role in securing the candidate's nomination. The recriminations stemming from a Trump victory may deepen these feelings of white liberal alienation from blacks.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Harry Baldwin

    The recriminations stemming from a Trump victory may deepen these feelings of white liberal alienation from blacks.

    I foresee a 1,000-percent increase in white liberal alienation from non-liberal whites. That’s part of what makes it all worthwhile.

  142. @stillCARealist
    @Polymath

    I worked with a few blacks at that time in the 90's. They were all convinced that OJ was innocent. Reasons? Nope, they just "felt" it. The cops were all racists. All cops everywhere are racist.

    Replies: @Marty, @Jack D, @TomSchmidt

    What would it take to convince you he was not guilty (he certainly wasn’t innocent) of the crime? I watched the video formerly at this site and some of the doubt in the jury changed in my mind. I recall hearing jurors make the case: they simply did not show, in the timeline given, how it was possible that OJ did it. In other words, they were so focused on all the other stuff that they failed to show means, motive, and opportunity.

    I think the conclusion one drew from that missing video was that OJ’s black son by his first wife did the crime, and OJ tried to cover it up. That actually makes a lot of sense and fills in gaps in the prosecution’s case.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @TomSchmidt

    Right, and Jason, who no longer lived with his father (unlike Jason's sister, who was living in one of the guesthouses, as was Kato Kaelin), somehow got himself to Rockingham, unseen, borrowed his father's white Ford Bronco, size-12 "ugly-ass" Bruno Magli shoes, leather gloves, and a pair of socks, went off and slaughtered his ex-step-mother, having to double down on Ron Goldman, when he interrupted the planned killing, and then drove the Bronco back to Rockingham, where he climbed over the fence, banging into Kato's guesthouse wall, and accidentally dropped, or else intentionally planted, one of O. J.'s gloves on the ground, covered in the victims' blood, placed samples of his father's blood on and inside of the Bronco, even mixing it with the victims' mixed blood, and stuck a sock with the victims' blood on it in O. J.'s clothes dryer. He then returned home, sight unseen again. At some point, he even convinced stranger Jill Shively to claim that it was his own father, driving the same white Ford Bronco (not to be confused with his friend, and former teammate, Al Cowlings' matching one, from the slow-speed chase, five days later), who almost had hit her car, while he was seemingly speeding away from the vicinity of Gretna Green, at just the right time, on the night of the murder.

    O. J. was so distraught over his realization that his son likely had brutally murdered his former step-mother, and tried to frame his own father, that O. J. wrote what appeared to be a suicide note, and then tried to run away to Mexico, wearing a disgiuse, carrying his passport, as well as thousands of dollars in cash, driven by the aforementioned Al Cowlings, in his aforementioned white Ford Bronco. O. J. previously had told a (Black) friend, who was with L.A.P.D. when they met, that he was afraid to take a polygraph, because he had dreamt of killing his ex-wife, Nicole, and was afraid that his denial of killing her might appear deceptive to the polygraph examiner, as a result. In reality, of course, he merely was casting doubt on his own innocence, in order to shelter his eldest son, Jason, whom he believed to be guilty.

    Replies: @D. K., @David In TN

  143. @Connecticut Famer
    @Dave Pinsen

    In their feverish minds this was payback for Emmett Till. And all this time I thought this would be the story of a double-murderer who initially reaped the benefits of something called "Jury Nullification" but who eventually (and belatedly) got his just desserts. It's amazing what people wielding a camera with the intent of fulfilling an agenda can do.

    And the icing on the cake? We got----The Kardashians!

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I doubt they’d ever heard of Emmett Till.

  144. @AnotherDad
    @Svigor


    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you’re dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might’ve at least gotten him convicted.
     
    Outside of "what good does a knife do you if he sneaks up behind and slits your throat?" ... I can see *no* reason for a white man--with anything going on--to be dating a woman with a black ex, much less a "jealous, abusive black ex".

    Upfront: I've done plenty of stupid things in my life, but a default requirement for a woman is to make reasonable choices about romantic\sex partners. For a white woman, a black ex is a giant "fail" and a signal of a bunch of character flaws that you do not want in a woman you're investing any time in.

    Despite the general decline in the quality of white women's behavior, since "liberation" or whatever you want to call it, there are still plenty of quality white women out there, who, with strong guidance from a man about what's required to merit his continued attention, can make fine girlfriends, wives, mothers. No need for slumming.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Dave Pinsen, @BB753

    I worked in a (different) office once, when a new office assistant started, a white girl. The current assistant, an Italian girl who grew up in mostly-NAM city, looked at her and said to me, “She’s got a kid, and the father’s black”. She was 2-for-2.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Dave Pinsen

    I recall an editorial comment in the WSJ at that time: "Black men -- White women; unsafe at any speed".

    I was a bit astonished at the time, but not too much. You could still hear some criticism of Black people in polite company, and Chris Rock was doing his critical routines.

    Today such a comment is far beyond the pale.

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Dave Pinsen

    “She’s got a kid, and the father’s black”

    I recently asked a 68-year old White female coworker why she was still working. She told me she had planned to retire at 62 y/o but she was raising her daughter's four young children and "none of them are White!"

  145. @Jack D
    @Keypusher

    It's ironic because Santa Monica would have been truly a jury of OJ's "peers". OJ never wanted to have anything to do with black people before he was arrested.

    Although leftists pretend not to notice things like black criminality, in fact they are keenly aware of them (you can see from things like their revealed preference in where they send their kids to school) and take them into account in their decision making, just not in a way that conforms with justice and common sense.

    Replies: @Alfa158

    A jury in Santa Monica would very likely have consisted of pretty much the same racial mix. The city of Los Angeles is not all that black, I think even then it was about 15%. (Even less now since Section 8 plus ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Watts by Latino colonists). The jury was unrepresentatively black because the defense wanted nullification, while the prosecutors didn’t want to look like racists who had him convicted by a White jury, and figured Black women would vote guilty anyway. In LA County jury pools are drawn from very large geographic areas. I live in the Beach cities and have served on juries in downtown LA more than 20 miles away. A jury pool in Santa Monica would have had about as many black prospective jurors as one in LA and the lawyers would have empaneled the same mix.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Alfa158

    You are correct. Read Daniel Petrocelli's book on the civil trial. The original jury pool in Santa Monica was about 40 % black. During voir dire, nearly all the black prospective jurors were so openly pro-Simpson, they eliminated themselves and only one black made the trial panel.

    , @anon
    @Alfa158

    "....and figured black women would vote guilty anyway.."

    Why they thought this is incredible to me. Black women had no sympathy or regard for Nicole at all. This should have been very clear to them. Even if it wasn't, they should have sensed something was up as the defense team kept stacking the jury with black females.

    Replies: @Michelle

  146. @AnotherDad
    @Svigor


    Lesson from OJ murder: carry a knife, at least, particularly if you’re dating a woman with a jealous, abusive black ex. A knife wound might’ve at least gotten him convicted.
     
    Outside of "what good does a knife do you if he sneaks up behind and slits your throat?" ... I can see *no* reason for a white man--with anything going on--to be dating a woman with a black ex, much less a "jealous, abusive black ex".

    Upfront: I've done plenty of stupid things in my life, but a default requirement for a woman is to make reasonable choices about romantic\sex partners. For a white woman, a black ex is a giant "fail" and a signal of a bunch of character flaws that you do not want in a woman you're investing any time in.

    Despite the general decline in the quality of white women's behavior, since "liberation" or whatever you want to call it, there are still plenty of quality white women out there, who, with strong guidance from a man about what's required to merit his continued attention, can make fine girlfriends, wives, mothers. No need for slumming.

    Replies: @E. Rekshun, @Dave Pinsen, @BB753

    My rule is: no tattoos or piercings on a woman. Those are the marks of a slut.

    • Replies: @anon
    @BB753

    Have to agree 100%. This whole tattoo thing is dreadful. There is this very pretty twenty-something girl who works at this medical centre in a shopping mall. She has this horrible nose ring between the middle of her sinuses. I just don't get it at all.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Jack D
    @BB753

    Certainly in the past it would be true, but the rules have changed. There are lots of perfectly nice young women nowadays who have tattoos or piercings - in their generation it's just a fashion thing, like getting your ears pierced once was. It's not the mark of anything anymore except a desire to conform with fashionable trends.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Buffalo Joe, @SPMoore8, @BB753

  147. @David Allan coe
    I was happy to see OJ found not guilty. It confirmed my views of our culture while demonstrating the results of our leftist media and education complex .

    In addition the trial highlighted the dangers white females face when they associate with blacks. Nicole was a gold digger, she was not a sympathetic character. In many cultures Simpson's actions would be seen as justified. She dissed OJ, while she continued to take his money and flaunt her slutty behavior for all to see. If I was on the jury I would not have convicted OJ of murder.

    Replies: @Danindc

    Roundabout way of saying you’ve been cucked.

  148. @PiltdownMan
    Doesn't O.J. Simpson come up this year for parole?

    I seem to recall he got 30 years and a minimum of 9 years without parole in 2007 for armed robbery and kidnapping.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @David In TN

    He comes up for parole in 2017.

  149. @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    A jury in Santa Monica would very likely have consisted of pretty much the same racial mix. The city of Los Angeles is not all that black, I think even then it was about 15%. (Even less now since Section 8 plus ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Watts by Latino colonists). The jury was unrepresentatively black because the defense wanted nullification, while the prosecutors didn't want to look like racists who had him convicted by a White jury, and figured Black women would vote guilty anyway. In LA County jury pools are drawn from very large geographic areas. I live in the Beach cities and have served on juries in downtown LA more than 20 miles away. A jury pool in Santa Monica would have had about as many black prospective jurors as one in LA and the lawyers would have empaneled the same mix.

    Replies: @David In TN, @anon

    You are correct. Read Daniel Petrocelli’s book on the civil trial. The original jury pool in Santa Monica was about 40 % black. During voir dire, nearly all the black prospective jurors were so openly pro-Simpson, they eliminated themselves and only one black made the trial panel.

  150. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    Glad you feel that way–maybe you can start, in a small way, by capitalizing “White” or writing “black” in lower case like you currently do with “white”.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @123

    Capitalising white is not grammatically correct. Sorry.

    Replies: @JSM, @dcite

  151. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    Discounting the fact that OJ lived a life that most men can only dream about....the killer phrase is..."as a black man caught up in the criminal justice system." That says it all.

    Replies: @anon

    “…caught up in the criminal-justice system”.

    You really have to admire the verbal gymnastics used here. As if like “the system” is a super giant-sized butterfly net just swooping down and scooping up a hapless black man for absolutely no reason and not arresting him for slaughtering two innocent people.

  152. @David In TN
    @anon

    Absolutely. Nicole in life was what every black woman (of any social class) hates with every fiber of their being. And white women I discussed the subject with didn't like her very much either, also seeing her of a gold-digger, and as someone with no self-respect who wouldn't stand up for herself.

    However, white women didn't want Simpson acquitted.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @123

    Nonwhites-both male and female-hate white women far more than they hate white men.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @123

    OJ seemed to like white women, at least until they crossed him.

  153. @BB753
    @AnotherDad

    My rule is: no tattoos or piercings on a woman. Those are the marks of a slut.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

    Have to agree 100%. This whole tattoo thing is dreadful. There is this very pretty twenty-something girl who works at this medical centre in a shopping mall. She has this horrible nose ring between the middle of her sinuses. I just don’t get it at all.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @anon

    Why is this more horrible than putting rings in your ear lobes, and yet, I'd bet that your wife/mother/sisters/daughters have pierced ears.

  154. @Thomas Fuller
    @Drakejax

    Matters are even more complicated by the fact that the Royal Navy of the period depended on impressment which, in practice, was barely distinguishable from slavery:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment

    The history of human relations is so complicated and unknowable that present-day attempts to denounce, or (even more ludicrously) apologize for, the deeds of our forebears are as ridiculous as they are futile – except of course for those with an axe to grind.

    Replies: @Lurker, @Hippopotamusdrome

    the Royal Navy of the period depended on impressment which, in practice, was barely distinguishable from slavery

    Sort of like conscription?

  155. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfa158
    @Jack D

    A jury in Santa Monica would very likely have consisted of pretty much the same racial mix. The city of Los Angeles is not all that black, I think even then it was about 15%. (Even less now since Section 8 plus ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Watts by Latino colonists). The jury was unrepresentatively black because the defense wanted nullification, while the prosecutors didn't want to look like racists who had him convicted by a White jury, and figured Black women would vote guilty anyway. In LA County jury pools are drawn from very large geographic areas. I live in the Beach cities and have served on juries in downtown LA more than 20 miles away. A jury pool in Santa Monica would have had about as many black prospective jurors as one in LA and the lawyers would have empaneled the same mix.

    Replies: @David In TN, @anon

    “….and figured black women would vote guilty anyway..”

    Why they thought this is incredible to me. Black women had no sympathy or regard for Nicole at all. This should have been very clear to them. Even if it wasn’t, they should have sensed something was up as the defense team kept stacking the jury with black females.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @anon

    Black women absolutely did not have any sympathy whatsoever for Nicole, despite the fact that Nicole was only 16 when O.J. got his hooks into her. At my workplace, many of us employees listened to the trial on our Walkmans. My Black female co-workers, and one far lefty white one (whom I hated more than I can express), were convinced of O.J.'s innocence. Many Black men, however, were sure that O.J. was guilty. "I know the nigga's guilty, one told me, but I hope he gets off!" I still believe that O.J. did not kill Nicole out of jealousy, but out of annoyance. Nicole really did not look that good after years of sun tanning and cocaine abuse. O. J. had many younger girlfriends at that point. O.J. was mad because Nicole dissed him after his daughter's recital.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Reg Cæsar

  156. People need to remember two things:

    (1) how incredibly popular “the Juice” was in 1992. He was a popular actor and was one of the greatest RB in Football history. Unlike Jim Brown, he wasn’t “angry” but came off as likable and gregarious. And non-political.

    (2) how overwhelming the evidence against him was. The Bronco chase, the bloody glove, the DNA evidence, the bloody shoe prints, the expensive Italian gloves, the cut on his hand, the cap left at the scene with hair that matched his, the limo driver, the bloody sock, the lack of an alibi.
    Short of having a picture of him slitting Nicole throat, there’s been few murders with so much evidence showing one man did the killing.

    And therefore, how incredibly shocking the verdict was to most White Americans.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Honesthughgrant

    Not red pilled Americans. We saw it coming.

  157. @Anonymous
    @Michelle

    Yes, because their women being "supportive" (i.e. enabling men who treat them like shit) is working out so well for the black community.

    Replies: @Michelle

    I should have qualified that by stating that Black women rarely marry outside their race.

  158. @123
    @Michelle

    Glad you feel that way--maybe you can start, in a small way, by capitalizing "White" or writing "black" in lower case like you currently do with "white".

    Replies: @Michelle

    Capitalising white is not grammatically correct. Sorry.

    • Replies: @JSM
    @Michelle

    Michelle, I fart in your general direction. Either capitalize White or *don't* capitalize Black. But knock it off with the double standard. (And I'm a White woman.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Michelle

    , @dcite
    @Michelle

    There are grammar rules about that -- where are they written down? The BLM manual?
    Referring to a race by a color is a non-proper noun method of doing so, probably because a color tends to evoke the thought of an adjective more than a noun.
    It's also a less formal method than using proper nouns like "Negro" (dated term, but usually capitalized in its day) or "Caucasian." Even in the Jim Crow south of yesteryear, they would not have capitalized "white" without capitalizing "black." Except that neither was capitalized ever in normal narrative. This silly capitalized "Black" is something that I've seen whites using and I find it hilarious. Life imitates parody.
    Why would you adhere to such a "rule" anyway? You won't get any brownie point here for it.

    Replies: @Michelle, @Marcus

  159. @anon
    @Alfa158

    "....and figured black women would vote guilty anyway.."

    Why they thought this is incredible to me. Black women had no sympathy or regard for Nicole at all. This should have been very clear to them. Even if it wasn't, they should have sensed something was up as the defense team kept stacking the jury with black females.

    Replies: @Michelle

    Black women absolutely did not have any sympathy whatsoever for Nicole, despite the fact that Nicole was only 16 when O.J. got his hooks into her. At my workplace, many of us employees listened to the trial on our Walkmans. My Black female co-workers, and one far lefty white one (whom I hated more than I can express), were convinced of O.J.’s innocence. Many Black men, however, were sure that O.J. was guilty. “I know the nigga’s guilty, one told me, but I hope he gets off!” I still believe that O.J. did not kill Nicole out of jealousy, but out of annoyance. Nicole really did not look that good after years of sun tanning and cocaine abuse. O. J. had many younger girlfriends at that point. O.J. was mad because Nicole dissed him after his daughter’s recital.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Michelle

    Moron. He killed her in a jealous rage. If you can't comprehend that then you're not qualified to post here.

    Replies: @Michelle

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Michelle


    Many Black men, however, were sure that O.J. was guilty. “I know the nigga’s guilty, one told me, but I hope he gets off!”
     
    The black playwright Syl Jones liked to say the jury "framed a guilty man".

    Jones lived in Excelsior, Minn., which was 94% white and 0.33% black in 2000. The black percentage octupled by 2010. Legend has it that it was in Excelsior that Mick Jagger first heard the line "you can't always get what you want."

    Replies: @Michelle

  160. @BB753
    @AnotherDad

    My rule is: no tattoos or piercings on a woman. Those are the marks of a slut.

    Replies: @anon, @Jack D

    Certainly in the past it would be true, but the rules have changed. There are lots of perfectly nice young women nowadays who have tattoos or piercings – in their generation it’s just a fashion thing, like getting your ears pierced once was. It’s not the mark of anything anymore except a desire to conform with fashionable trends.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @Jack D

    Fairly certain if a woman has a nose ring she has been molested. This is known. The big question is - who's doing the molesting??.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Jack D

    Jack D, yes fashion standards and fashion trends change, remember bell bottom pants, but you can throw those old clothes out or donate them. A tattoo is forever and laser removal still leaves a very noticeable mark. Pierced ears, limited to a couple per ear, are ok with me .....on women.

    , @SPMoore8
    @Jack D

    I don't think a woman with tatts is a slut, although I don't think of promiscuous women as sluts, I think of them more as being high maintenance.

    Speaking as an old guy, a woman fulfills three purposes to a man: a companion to share your life with, and who ideally therefore should be reliable, dependable, and stable; a mother to your children, and who should therefore have good genes (e.g., brains) and a generous spirit; and finally a lover, who will keep you satisfied, and who should therefore be practical, understanding, and enjoy sex with you. Everything else, including good looks, comes after that.

    When I see a woman with tatts, and especially a whole sleeve of tatts, I think: vain, silly, not very bright, impulsive, and somewhat low class. IOW, the kind of woman I wouldn't have wanted to hook up with back in the day, no matter how good looking she was.

    , @BB753
    @Jack D

    This might be partly true for those girls under 25 years old, but not for older gals. Do you know what a "tramp stamp" is?

  161. @123
    @David In TN

    Nonwhites-both male and female-hate white women far more than they hate white men.

    Replies: @Jack D

    OJ seemed to like white women, at least until they crossed him.

  162. JSM says:
    @Jim Don Bob
    @Svigor

    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally. He said he does not fight back because 1) he was taught not to hit women, and 2) he will be the one going to jail if she calls the police. Because, as we all know, women never lie.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @JSM, @Harry Baldwin, @Honesthughgrant

    A true story: On old guy I once knew, a retired widower, hard of hearing, Reagan conservative, got involved with a divorcee, she a Hillary / Obama supporter. She did have going for her that she wasn’t grossly fat and ten years younger. He was lonely, you know, whatever.

    They didn’t cohabitate, both of them owning their own houses, but they each had a key to the other’s house and would go traveling together.

    One day this nutjob divorcee got ticked off because she decided the old gent hadn’t been paying her sufficient attention and deference of late. So in the middle of the night, she unlocked his house door, crept into his bedroom where the old guy was snoring, and commenced screaming and beating him with her purse.

    He woke with a start, naturally, and it being dark and him hard of hearing, he didn’t initially understand who it was or what was happening. He jumped out of bed, swinging his arms. A few seconds later, having come fully awake and realizing it was her being a wildcat, he scooped her up in a blanket to stop her whomping on him, wooshed her out his front door (him in his underwear) and unceremoniously dumped her in the snowbank.

    So what does the crazy old harpy do? She goes to the D.A. and files a “domestic violence” complaint.

    You’d think the D.A. would laugh, no? After all, SHE entered HIS house and started it by smacking him with her purse. Nope. D. A. took the case.

    This old guy in a panic, thinking, I’m retired, she’ll take me for all I have, asked her what it would take to settle.
    Her price was ten grand. So he took a reverse mortgage on his house to pay her extortion fee.

    Moral of the story? Stay far, far away from libtarded divorcees, even when you’re old.

    • Replies: @Danindc
    @JSM

    I Want to believe this story happened but I just can't. Sorry.

  163. @anon
    @BB753

    Have to agree 100%. This whole tattoo thing is dreadful. There is this very pretty twenty-something girl who works at this medical centre in a shopping mall. She has this horrible nose ring between the middle of her sinuses. I just don't get it at all.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Why is this more horrible than putting rings in your ear lobes, and yet, I’d bet that your wife/mother/sisters/daughters have pierced ears.

  164. @Michelle
    @123

    Capitalising white is not grammatically correct. Sorry.

    Replies: @JSM, @dcite

    Michelle, I fart in your general direction. Either capitalize White or *don’t* capitalize Black. But knock it off with the double standard. (And I’m a White woman.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @JSM

    No, some double standards are defensible, and others are not. Nothing wrong with Michelle taking "white" from Lothrop Stoddard and "Black" from Jet magazine.

    Yes, I'm holding double standards themselves to a double standard.

    Replies: @Michelle

    , @Michelle
    @JSM

    Are you aware of what your acronym is representative of? Probably not, you total loser! Get a clue!

  165. @Marty T
    @Dave Shanken

    ESPN has been increasingly leftist politically for years. They openly cheered gay "marriage", they gave an award to Bruce Jenner in drag, and they will fire you if you are open about your conservative views. But liberal views never get sanction.

    As for the audience, my guess is many dont like the politics, but for now ESPN is a semi monopoly.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jim Don Bob

    Every single non cucked man stopped watching ESPN when Craig Kilborn left.

    I’ve been using the word cucked a lot lately. It’s enjoyable. Have a problem with it? Then you’re a, you guessed it, cuck.

  166. Whites were not particularly fond of Blacks until recently. Lincoln had highly negative things to say about Blacks, perhaps Blacks trying to kill him as a young man floating logs down to Baton Rouge had something to do with that. Dashiell Hammett is in bad odor with SJW because his stories portray Blacks negatively (criminal, stupid, low time orientation). The somewhat later and more upscale Rex Stout books have Blacks portrayed positively, though still subservient and lower IQ.

    I think the shift came in during WWII, when Blacks were needed as laborers and Dems needed their votes as servicemen were overseas fighting. But the inflection point was probably pro sports, not Jackie Robinson but likely the 1960s with Professional and College Football players. “Paul Kersey” at StuffBlackPeopleDontLike.com makes the point that college and pro sports are the true opiate of the people, and positive views of Blacks correlates highly with their dominance, near total, of college football and pro football.

    This is somewhat of an accident, baseball was never committed as pro football was to nationally televised games on a regular basis; and college football also filled the need for programming by the networks while other sports fell by the wayside (like Boxing). College and Pro Football fed a fantasy of a “respectable” Black athletic hero who was tougher/faster/stronger than White players but just as Middle Class White in behavior and attitude.

    I think this aspect is dying, rapidly:

    1. Increased integration for all but the higher income SJW/SWPL elites means more thug street Blacks in real life to offset TV fantasy Blacks.
    2. Whites turning off from TV mainline sports that cost as incomes decline in favor of free/low cost online stuff like racing, extreme sports, etc. ESPN has seen declines in viewership/carriage fees strong enough to push Disney stock down despite a new Star Wars movie and Marvel movie.
    3. Competition for the scarcest of resources, attractive young women. Nothing can turn a young White man into hate like losing a girl to a Black man. That’s just human nature. Humans are genetically hard wired that way.

    This last is key. I’ve seen more and more mulatto babies with White mothers, Black father half around, half not. With the obesity epidemic hitting White women too, just not as hard as Black women, and Black women being both generally unattractive, and the very few who are preferring violent Thug Black men and being also unavailable save to a few celebrities like Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, the sexual competition aspect is IMHO a main but poorly recognized or understood driver of White American (men anway) not really having favorable opinions of Blacks.

    Loot at Television. That’s a female/gay ghetto, though the drive for mass in reaction to carefully quantified demos via online advertising is changing things (the new Nancy Drew reboot starring Sarah Shahi was dumped after pilot because it “skewed too female”). But for now it remains startlingly female (around 85% of sitcom audiences are female IIRC). The sexy Black love interest for the White woman remains an audience staple. One bound to offend White male potential viewers; and cord-cutting (no more lucrative carriage fees — in 2013 CBS got half its revenues from carriage fees), online competition mean the 1980s Brandon Tartikoff NBC strategy of fewer viewers but more upscale income won’t work. Not the least of which real disposable income is declining for almost all but the top few percent.

    The future of Black/White approval is likely to be White women, gays, upscale elites in elite zip codes, highly approving of Blacks and desiring approval backwards, and most White men having little to no interest to outright hostility over women moderated by ever eroding social control of angry professional White women and increasingly effette and inept elites.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Whiskey

    "... trying to kill him as a young man floating logs down to Baton Rouge..."

    Wasn't it New Orleans?

    , @PV van der Byl
    @Whiskey

    I think you are, at least, about right with respect to the timing of the change in white American attitudes towards blacks. If I had to date the inflection point, I would pick June 22, 1938, when Joe Louis knocked out Max Schmeling in the first round (Louis having lost their first fight in 1936).

  167. @Michelle
    @anon

    Black women absolutely did not have any sympathy whatsoever for Nicole, despite the fact that Nicole was only 16 when O.J. got his hooks into her. At my workplace, many of us employees listened to the trial on our Walkmans. My Black female co-workers, and one far lefty white one (whom I hated more than I can express), were convinced of O.J.'s innocence. Many Black men, however, were sure that O.J. was guilty. "I know the nigga's guilty, one told me, but I hope he gets off!" I still believe that O.J. did not kill Nicole out of jealousy, but out of annoyance. Nicole really did not look that good after years of sun tanning and cocaine abuse. O. J. had many younger girlfriends at that point. O.J. was mad because Nicole dissed him after his daughter's recital.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Reg Cæsar

    Moron. He killed her in a jealous rage. If you can’t comprehend that then you’re not qualified to post here.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Danindc

    You are the moron. Jealous rage, puleeze. He was way over her.

  168. @JSM
    @Jim Don Bob

    A true story: On old guy I once knew, a retired widower, hard of hearing, Reagan conservative, got involved with a divorcee, she a Hillary / Obama supporter. She did have going for her that she wasn't grossly fat and ten years younger. He was lonely, you know, whatever.

    They didn't cohabitate, both of them owning their own houses, but they each had a key to the other's house and would go traveling together.

    One day this nutjob divorcee got ticked off because she decided the old gent hadn't been paying her sufficient attention and deference of late. So in the middle of the night, she unlocked his house door, crept into his bedroom where the old guy was snoring, and commenced screaming and beating him with her purse.

    He woke with a start, naturally, and it being dark and him hard of hearing, he didn't initially understand who it was or what was happening. He jumped out of bed, swinging his arms. A few seconds later, having come fully awake and realizing it was her being a wildcat, he scooped her up in a blanket to stop her whomping on him, wooshed her out his front door (him in his underwear) and unceremoniously dumped her in the snowbank.

    So what does the crazy old harpy do? She goes to the D.A. and files a "domestic violence" complaint.

    You'd think the D.A. would laugh, no? After all, SHE entered HIS house and started it by smacking him with her purse. Nope. D. A. took the case.

    This old guy in a panic, thinking, I'm retired, she'll take me for all I have, asked her what it would take to settle.
    Her price was ten grand. So he took a reverse mortgage on his house to pay her extortion fee.

    Moral of the story? Stay far, far away from libtarded divorcees, even when you're old.

    Replies: @Danindc

    I Want to believe this story happened but I just can’t. Sorry.

  169. @Honesthughgrant
    People need to remember two things:

    (1) how incredibly popular "the Juice" was in 1992. He was a popular actor and was one of the greatest RB in Football history. Unlike Jim Brown, he wasn't "angry" but came off as likable and gregarious. And non-political.

    (2) how overwhelming the evidence against him was. The Bronco chase, the bloody glove, the DNA evidence, the bloody shoe prints, the expensive Italian gloves, the cut on his hand, the cap left at the scene with hair that matched his, the limo driver, the bloody sock, the lack of an alibi.
    Short of having a picture of him slitting Nicole throat, there's been few murders with so much evidence showing one man did the killing.

    And therefore, how incredibly shocking the verdict was to most White Americans.

    Replies: @Danindc

    Not red pilled Americans. We saw it coming.

  170. @AndrewR
    @Dave Pinsen

    Bizarre comment. Just because we "Millennials" (like all "Xers" and many "Boomers") have no memory of the Bad Old Days when society didn't kiss black ass doesn't mean we aren't aware of the huge shift in attitudes over the last 50-60 years.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    To really be “aware of the huge shift in attitudes over the last 50-60 years” it helps to have observed them first hand, i.e., be at lest 55 years of age.

  171. @Jack D
    @BB753

    Certainly in the past it would be true, but the rules have changed. There are lots of perfectly nice young women nowadays who have tattoos or piercings - in their generation it's just a fashion thing, like getting your ears pierced once was. It's not the mark of anything anymore except a desire to conform with fashionable trends.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Buffalo Joe, @SPMoore8, @BB753

    Fairly certain if a woman has a nose ring she has been molested. This is known. The big question is – who’s doing the molesting??.

  172. @Michelle
    @123

    Capitalising white is not grammatically correct. Sorry.

    Replies: @JSM, @dcite

    There are grammar rules about that — where are they written down? The BLM manual?
    Referring to a race by a color is a non-proper noun method of doing so, probably because a color tends to evoke the thought of an adjective more than a noun.
    It’s also a less formal method than using proper nouns like “Negro” (dated term, but usually capitalized in its day) or “Caucasian.” Even in the Jim Crow south of yesteryear, they would not have capitalized “white” without capitalizing “black.” Except that neither was capitalized ever in normal narrative. This silly capitalized “Black” is something that I’ve seen whites using and I find it hilarious. Life imitates parody.
    Why would you adhere to such a “rule” anyway? You won’t get any brownie point here for it.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @dcite

    Do you think that I am "Looking for brownie points"? Did you type, "Brownie"? How racist!


    Seriously. I do not, I repeat, do not give a rat's butt for the opinions of others. That is what is great about being a right-winger! Black, Black, Black!! White, white, white, white, white!!!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Marcus

    , @Marcus
    @dcite

    Maybe she learned from this? We'd have to check out her Tumblr, or rather not. http://www.diversitystyleguide.com/

    Replies: @dcite

  173. @whorefinder
    What OJ Simpson taught me was that blacks do not care about justice or right and wrong, and only care about their own skin color.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Reg Cæsar

    What OJ Simpson taught me was that blacks do not care about justice or right and wrong, and only care about their own skin color.

    Simpson seemed to like a skin color other than his own.

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @Reg Cæsar

    Interesting case ripped from today's headlines: Former NBA player Etan Thomas gets shut down by white devil girl on a train and tries to "shame her" on Fakebook.

  174. @Truth
    @Mark Eugenikos

    Well now, the period of slavery was a 300 year historical event that is interwoven with the history, economy, politics, and social structure of this nation, how it achieved it's place on top of the world pyramid. OJ Simpson on the other hand, is a guy who (allegedly) killed his wife.

    So you tell me which one is more significant.

    Replies: @Mark Eugenikos

    Well now, the period of slavery was a 300 year historical event that is interwoven with the history, economy, politics, and social structure of this nation, how it achieved it’s (sic) place on top of the world pyramid.

    Its place, not “it’s” place.

    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it? If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid. It would only be fair to measure it both ways, no?

    So you tell me which one is more significant.

    Slavery is of course more significant historically than OJ. The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we “give a shit”, to use your words again? I don’t see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Mark Eugenikos




    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it?
     
    I've covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.


    If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid.
     
    Well it's been 150 years and the US has not lost it's place on top of the world pyramid, has it? OK, so obviously this is irrelevant.


    The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we “give a shit”, to use your words again? I don’t see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery
     
    You are familiar that the Civil War had some small, insignificant confluence with slavery, right?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe

  175. @JSM
    @Michelle

    Michelle, I fart in your general direction. Either capitalize White or *don't* capitalize Black. But knock it off with the double standard. (And I'm a White woman.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Michelle

    No, some double standards are defensible, and others are not. Nothing wrong with Michelle taking “white” from Lothrop Stoddard and “Black” from Jet magazine.

    Yes, I’m holding double standards themselves to a double standard.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Reg Cæsar

    Who cares what he wants? He can't always get what he wants! Black, Black, Black!! White, white, white!! Ha, ha! Capitalized it once, correctly.

  176. @Michelle
    @anon

    Black women absolutely did not have any sympathy whatsoever for Nicole, despite the fact that Nicole was only 16 when O.J. got his hooks into her. At my workplace, many of us employees listened to the trial on our Walkmans. My Black female co-workers, and one far lefty white one (whom I hated more than I can express), were convinced of O.J.'s innocence. Many Black men, however, were sure that O.J. was guilty. "I know the nigga's guilty, one told me, but I hope he gets off!" I still believe that O.J. did not kill Nicole out of jealousy, but out of annoyance. Nicole really did not look that good after years of sun tanning and cocaine abuse. O. J. had many younger girlfriends at that point. O.J. was mad because Nicole dissed him after his daughter's recital.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Reg Cæsar

    Many Black men, however, were sure that O.J. was guilty. “I know the nigga’s guilty, one told me, but I hope he gets off!”

    The black playwright Syl Jones liked to say the jury “framed a guilty man”.

    Jones lived in Excelsior, Minn., which was 94% white and 0.33% black in 2000. The black percentage octupled by 2010. Legend has it that it was in Excelsior that Mick Jagger first heard the line “you can’t always get what you want.”

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Reg Cæsar

    Mick mostly got what he wanted. Especially when he went cruising for "Brown Sugar".

  177. @Mis(ter)Anthrope
    I will never understand "white guilt" over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?

    Replies: @Otto the P, @anon, @Drakejax, @Jefferson, @Dr. X, @Tex, @anon

    Because Whites are the only ones who ACCEPT the blame.

  178. CJ says:
    @Truth
    @CJ

    ....Uh....would you believe...99%....

    https://thegoombagazette.com/2016/03/14/rape-in-okinawa-why/

    Replies: @CJ

    Sure I’d believe 99%, but I was talking about murders, not rapes. I’ve never myself heard or read about a murder case involving the U.S. military in Japan where the perp wasn’t black, but the odds are that there must have been at least one sometime.

    But following up on your rape report, U.S. military rapes in Okinawa actually started before the atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The story will interest you — its original Wikipedia entry was titled Cave of the Negroes.

    http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Cave_of_the_Negroes_incident

    • Replies: @Truth
    @CJ

    Oh, so I come out with a reference from 2016, and you fire back with one from...1945?

    Great. What about the Old Testament, didn't a black dude rape someone in one of those stories too?

  179. @Jim Don Bob
    @Svigor

    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally. He said he does not fight back because 1) he was taught not to hit women, and 2) he will be the one going to jail if she calls the police. Because, as we all know, women never lie.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @JSM, @Harry Baldwin, @Honesthughgrant

    From what I’ve heard, female-on-male spousal abuse is far more common than you would think. A man may have a physical advantage, but if his wife gets in the first few licks with a golf club or attacks him when he’s sleeping, the odds even up quite a bit. And as you say, men are reluctant to report it.

  180. @Jim Don Bob
    @Svigor

    I have a friend whose wife beats on him occasionally. He said he does not fight back because 1) he was taught not to hit women, and 2) he will be the one going to jail if she calls the police. Because, as we all know, women never lie.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @JSM, @Harry Baldwin, @Honesthughgrant

    Why the hell should he “fight back”? Just leave. What kind of man stays with a women who beats him?

  181. @Stan Adams
    @David In TN

    The apple never falls far from the tree.

    Nicole's folks aren't wholly blameless. She wanted to leave O.J. years before she did, but they pushed her to stay so they could keep on milking the Juice.

    If your wealthy son-in-law were beating your daughter, would you tell her to grin and bear it for the sake of your bank account? If the answer is yes, then you're a POS.

    Replies: @David In TN

    “Nicole’s folks aren’t wholly blameless.”

    An understatement. They pushed her to “get back together” after O.J. cut them off when they divorced.

    Detectives Lange and Vanatter felt Nicole’s father didn’t accept she was dead or that Simpson was guilty.Marcia Clark was amazed that Lou Brown seemed totally indifferent to his daughter’s murder, wasn’t mad at Simpson, and refused to help the prosecution.

    This is from their books. Lou Brown seems to have gone beyond what you call a “POS.”

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @David In TN

    O.J.'s niece said that O.J. never did anything for his own family, but did everything for the Browns. The niece said that her mother, O.J.'s sister, and her husband, came to L.A. to support O.J. during the trial but had little money and had to rent a car to get to the trial. When the niece asked her mom why they couldn't just drive O.J.'s car, the mom got defensive. "We can't drive O.J.'s car", she replied. The niece didn't get it. It was as if they weren't good enough to touch O.J.'s fancy stuff. Once the niece wondered aloud if O.J. was guilty and her mother climbed over the front seat of the rental car to the back to beat her daughter up. The niece also said that Nicole was anything but a gold digger. She said Nicole was very frugal, in the way of many Germans. Nicole wore the same clothes many times and would buy cut flowers and arrange them herself. She also said that Nicole's family was very kind to her, but that she just didn't feel as if she fit in with them.

    Replies: @CJ

  182. @Danindc
    @Michelle

    Moron. He killed her in a jealous rage. If you can't comprehend that then you're not qualified to post here.

    Replies: @Michelle

    You are the moron. Jealous rage, puleeze. He was way over her.

  183. @Reg Cæsar
    @Michelle


    Many Black men, however, were sure that O.J. was guilty. “I know the nigga’s guilty, one told me, but I hope he gets off!”
     
    The black playwright Syl Jones liked to say the jury "framed a guilty man".

    Jones lived in Excelsior, Minn., which was 94% white and 0.33% black in 2000. The black percentage octupled by 2010. Legend has it that it was in Excelsior that Mick Jagger first heard the line "you can't always get what you want."

    Replies: @Michelle

    Mick mostly got what he wanted. Especially when he went cruising for “Brown Sugar”.

  184. @Reg Cæsar
    @JSM

    No, some double standards are defensible, and others are not. Nothing wrong with Michelle taking "white" from Lothrop Stoddard and "Black" from Jet magazine.

    Yes, I'm holding double standards themselves to a double standard.

    Replies: @Michelle

    Who cares what he wants? He can’t always get what he wants! Black, Black, Black!! White, white, white!! Ha, ha! Capitalized it once, correctly.

  185. @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    I worked in a (different) office once, when a new office assistant started, a white girl. The current assistant, an Italian girl who grew up in mostly-NAM city, looked at her and said to me, "She's got a kid, and the father's black". She was 2-for-2.

    Replies: @bomag, @E. Rekshun

    I recall an editorial comment in the WSJ at that time: “Black men — White women; unsafe at any speed”.

    I was a bit astonished at the time, but not too much. You could still hear some criticism of Black people in polite company, and Chris Rock was doing his critical routines.

    Today such a comment is far beyond the pale.

  186. @RudyM

    I was in Philadelphia the day after the verdict. All the black folks I encountered were bubbly and smiling, it was weird.
     
    I was living and working in Philadelphia at the time. I was told by someone who worked in a department of my organization that was mostly staffed by blacks that when the verdict was announced, there was a big cheer.

    Replies: @rod1963

    I worked at a AF base in CA at the time and when the verdict came in on CNN, all the black workers who saw it were cheering.

    This is the black in all his glory.

  187. @David In TN
    @Stan Adams

    "Nicole's folks aren't wholly blameless."

    An understatement. They pushed her to "get back together" after O.J. cut them off when they divorced.

    Detectives Lange and Vanatter felt Nicole's father didn't accept she was dead or that Simpson was guilty.Marcia Clark was amazed that Lou Brown seemed totally indifferent to his daughter's murder, wasn't mad at Simpson, and refused to help the prosecution.

    This is from their books. Lou Brown seems to have gone beyond what you call a "POS."

    Replies: @Michelle

    O.J.’s niece said that O.J. never did anything for his own family, but did everything for the Browns. The niece said that her mother, O.J.’s sister, and her husband, came to L.A. to support O.J. during the trial but had little money and had to rent a car to get to the trial. When the niece asked her mom why they couldn’t just drive O.J.’s car, the mom got defensive. “We can’t drive O.J.’s car”, she replied. The niece didn’t get it. It was as if they weren’t good enough to touch O.J.’s fancy stuff. Once the niece wondered aloud if O.J. was guilty and her mother climbed over the front seat of the rental car to the back to beat her daughter up. The niece also said that Nicole was anything but a gold digger. She said Nicole was very frugal, in the way of many Germans. Nicole wore the same clothes many times and would buy cut flowers and arrange them herself. She also said that Nicole’s family was very kind to her, but that she just didn’t feel as if she fit in with them.

    • Replies: @CJ
    @Michelle

    I am not familiar with personal details of the Brown family, but what is a fact is that at the time of the murders O.J. was paying alimony/support of $24,000 a month and his income had recently been significantly reduced when he lost his gig with NFL on NBC. It's not unreasonable IMO to wonder if this played a role in the whole catastrophe.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  188. During the second half of the 20th Century, white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans, but blacks kept letting whites down.

    In a broader sense, too many aspiring blacks too often behave in such a way that the catch phrase of Triumph the Insult Comic Dog always comes to my mind.

    “Hey! I just got elected President of the United States… for me to POOP on!!”

    “Look! I’m a professional football player… for me to POOP on!!”

    “Wow! I’m reporting the news on television… for ME to POOP ON!!!”

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/when-you-have-to-go?utm_term=.vixaNkDOXY#.lgWmjoYw3z

  189. @TomSchmidt
    @stillCARealist

    What would it take to convince you he was not guilty (he certainly wasn't innocent) of the crime? I watched the video formerly at this site and some of the doubt in the jury changed in my mind. I recall hearing jurors make the case: they simply did not show, in the timeline given, how it was possible that OJ did it. In other words, they were so focused on all the other stuff that they failed to show means, motive, and opportunity.

    I think the conclusion one drew from that missing video was that OJ's black son by his first wife did the crime, and OJ tried to cover it up. That actually makes a lot of sense and fills in gaps in the prosecution's case.

    Replies: @D. K.

    Right, and Jason, who no longer lived with his father (unlike Jason’s sister, who was living in one of the guesthouses, as was Kato Kaelin), somehow got himself to Rockingham, unseen, borrowed his father’s white Ford Bronco, size-12 “ugly-ass” Bruno Magli shoes, leather gloves, and a pair of socks, went off and slaughtered his ex-step-mother, having to double down on Ron Goldman, when he interrupted the planned killing, and then drove the Bronco back to Rockingham, where he climbed over the fence, banging into Kato’s guesthouse wall, and accidentally dropped, or else intentionally planted, one of O. J.’s gloves on the ground, covered in the victims’ blood, placed samples of his father’s blood on and inside of the Bronco, even mixing it with the victims’ mixed blood, and stuck a sock with the victims’ blood on it in O. J.’s clothes dryer. He then returned home, sight unseen again. At some point, he even convinced stranger Jill Shively to claim that it was his own father, driving the same white Ford Bronco (not to be confused with his friend, and former teammate, Al Cowlings’ matching one, from the slow-speed chase, five days later), who almost had hit her car, while he was seemingly speeding away from the vicinity of Gretna Green, at just the right time, on the night of the murder.

    O. J. was so distraught over his realization that his son likely had brutally murdered his former step-mother, and tried to frame his own father, that O. J. wrote what appeared to be a suicide note, and then tried to run away to Mexico, wearing a disgiuse, carrying his passport, as well as thousands of dollars in cash, driven by the aforementioned Al Cowlings, in his aforementioned white Ford Bronco. O. J. previously had told a (Black) friend, who was with L.A.P.D. when they met, that he was afraid to take a polygraph, because he had dreamt of killing his ex-wife, Nicole, and was afraid that his denial of killing her might appear deceptive to the polygraph examiner, as a result. In reality, of course, he merely was casting doubt on his own innocence, in order to shelter his eldest son, Jason, whom he believed to be guilty.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @D. K.

    ERRATUM: I should have said "the vicinity of Bundy," rather than "the vicinity of Gretna Green," where Nicole Simpson had lived prior to her moving to Bundy, where she was slaughtered, along with waiter Ron Goldman. Mea culpa!

    , @David In TN
    @D. K.

    Jason as the "real killer" has been a staple for O.J. apologists from the beginning, and still is.

  190. @Mark Eugenikos
    @Truth


    Well now, the period of slavery was a 300 year historical event that is interwoven with the history, economy, politics, and social structure of this nation, how it achieved it’s (sic) place on top of the world pyramid.
     
    Its place, not "it's" place.

    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it? If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid. It would only be fair to measure it both ways, no?

    So you tell me which one is more significant.
     
    Slavery is of course more significant historically than OJ. The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we "give a shit", to use your words again? I don't see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery.

    Replies: @Truth

    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it?

    I’ve covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.

    If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid.

    Well it’s been 150 years and the US has not lost it’s place on top of the world pyramid, has it? OK, so obviously this is irrelevant.

    The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we “give a shit”, to use your words again? I don’t see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery

    You are familiar that the Civil War had some small, insignificant confluence with slavery, right?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Truth

    "I’ve covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research."

    I have lived almost all of my life in a part of the country, settled pre-Civil War, in which prairies were turned into cropland, forests chopped down, timber made into lumber in sawmills, grain milled, stevedoring in the port cities done (I live in such a city), and many buildings built, all entirely by free labor. It's a very heavily populated, highly industrialized area. So much for the notion that the US economy was based on slavery. One region was not the nation, and there was a lot of free labor in the extensive uplands of that region.

    , @bomag
    @Truth


    I’ve covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.
     
    I suspect agriculture was number one, but even allowing your statement doesn't mean that it was a particularly productive industry. Kind of like saying the welfare state is 21st America's number one industry: arguably true, but it is not a particularly productive industry.

    The numbers I've seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.

    Replies: @Truth

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Light!, You were much less edgy when you were Truth. Slavery is not agriculture, but a tool in the process.

    Replies: @Truth

  191. @CJ
    @Truth

    Sure I'd believe 99%, but I was talking about murders, not rapes. I've never myself heard or read about a murder case involving the U.S. military in Japan where the perp wasn't black, but the odds are that there must have been at least one sometime.

    But following up on your rape report, U.S. military rapes in Okinawa actually started before the atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The story will interest you -- its original Wikipedia entry was titled Cave of the Negroes.

    http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Cave_of_the_Negroes_incident

    Replies: @Truth

    Oh, so I come out with a reference from 2016, and you fire back with one from…1945?

    Great. What about the Old Testament, didn’t a black dude rape someone in one of those stories too?

  192. The OJ Simpson trial was a pivotal movement in my personal history with race relations. I was 13 years old when the verdict was televised in October of 1995. I vividly remember my 8th grade class being interrupted by news of the announcement of the verdict. News stations everywhere had setup remotes to capture live public reaction to the verdict. Over and over, predominantly white audiences were shown in states of shock and awe to the “not guilty” verdict while predominantly black audiences were shown erupting into applause and jubilation. At this moment, my naive fantasies about cosmopolitan multiculturalism dissolved away. Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said “******” six or seven years earlier.

    I remember the predominant attitude among black friends at school was that while they almost universally believed in OJ’s personal guilt, they were happy he got off. It was supposed to be a positive, watershed moment for racist relations in America. These were affluent, high IQ blacks who weren’t into the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton shake down racket. I remember being presently surprised when Ann Coulter made pretty much the exact same argument in her 2012 book Mugged.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @J. Farmer


    Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said “******” six or seven years earlier.
     
    Well, no, Einstein; OJ was not "allowed" to get away with anything. OJ was exonerated in a U.S. court of law.

    Steve has covered the trials of Racehorse Haynes many times in which a rich (WHITE!) man killed a (WHITE!) woman, and was EXONERATED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW.

    Strangely, I do not remember any of those cases being decided by Mark Fuhrman having said "******" six years earlier.

    No, Old Sport, OJ was "allowed to get away with a brutal vicious murder" because he spent much more money on his defense team, than the state spent on his prosecution.

    Now, I am as American as the next guy, (and much moreso than the lot of you) and as such I am definitely in concurrence with your right to be a mouth-breathing simpleton, if that is your great desire in life. but, there is an old Buddhist parable that explains, better than anything else, why I continue to try to help cases such as yourself:

    Everyone knows the story of the Scorpion and the Frog; "I'm a scorpion, it's my nature..." but there is an addendum to that:

    A monk sees an injured scorpion trying in vain to climb onto a sunning rock. He picks up the scorpion and places him gently upon the rock. The scorpion stings him, he goes back to the village and vomits, takes herbs, and rests before he recovers from the dangerous and painful affair.

    Upon recovery, walking down the banks of the river he sees another injured scorpion attempting to climb over a thick, superterranian tree root. He picks up the scorpion to help it, is stung, and the process repeats.

    A few months later he is walking along a marsh and he sees a scorpion floating by helplessly along a lilly pad, he reaches into the water and brings the scorpion onto land, again, he is bitten.

    Upon returning to town the third time, a fellow monk asks him, "My friend, you realize that the intrinsic nature of a scorpion is to sting, don't you?!?!"

    He replies, "yes, but my intrinsic nature is to help."

    Replies: @J. Farmer

  193. @D. K.
    @TomSchmidt

    Right, and Jason, who no longer lived with his father (unlike Jason's sister, who was living in one of the guesthouses, as was Kato Kaelin), somehow got himself to Rockingham, unseen, borrowed his father's white Ford Bronco, size-12 "ugly-ass" Bruno Magli shoes, leather gloves, and a pair of socks, went off and slaughtered his ex-step-mother, having to double down on Ron Goldman, when he interrupted the planned killing, and then drove the Bronco back to Rockingham, where he climbed over the fence, banging into Kato's guesthouse wall, and accidentally dropped, or else intentionally planted, one of O. J.'s gloves on the ground, covered in the victims' blood, placed samples of his father's blood on and inside of the Bronco, even mixing it with the victims' mixed blood, and stuck a sock with the victims' blood on it in O. J.'s clothes dryer. He then returned home, sight unseen again. At some point, he even convinced stranger Jill Shively to claim that it was his own father, driving the same white Ford Bronco (not to be confused with his friend, and former teammate, Al Cowlings' matching one, from the slow-speed chase, five days later), who almost had hit her car, while he was seemingly speeding away from the vicinity of Gretna Green, at just the right time, on the night of the murder.

    O. J. was so distraught over his realization that his son likely had brutally murdered his former step-mother, and tried to frame his own father, that O. J. wrote what appeared to be a suicide note, and then tried to run away to Mexico, wearing a disgiuse, carrying his passport, as well as thousands of dollars in cash, driven by the aforementioned Al Cowlings, in his aforementioned white Ford Bronco. O. J. previously had told a (Black) friend, who was with L.A.P.D. when they met, that he was afraid to take a polygraph, because he had dreamt of killing his ex-wife, Nicole, and was afraid that his denial of killing her might appear deceptive to the polygraph examiner, as a result. In reality, of course, he merely was casting doubt on his own innocence, in order to shelter his eldest son, Jason, whom he believed to be guilty.

    Replies: @D. K., @David In TN

    ERRATUM: I should have said “the vicinity of Bundy,” rather than “the vicinity of Gretna Green,” where Nicole Simpson had lived prior to her moving to Bundy, where she was slaughtered, along with waiter Ron Goldman. Mea culpa!

  194. Steve,

    white Americans became extraordinarily favorably disposed toward black Americans

    What do you attribute that change to? Worry that prejudice looked bad to the world, creating an opening for the Soviets?

  195. @Lurker
    @Thomas Fuller

    Good point but impressed men were paid as sailors and it wasn't for life. Also the press gang ceased after the end of the Napoleonic Wars while anti-slavery operations continued after that point.

    Replies: @Thomas Fuller

    Yes, but … quite often RN ships approaching their home port at the end of a cruise (and at the end of some of the pressed men’s term) would be boarded by press-gangs and the newly freed men would be impressed yet again and not even allowed to set foot on land. Some pressed men served for 25 or even 30 years before, being by then decrepit, they were released – only to find that their wives, etc., had died or remarried.

    I agree with you otherwise!

  196. @anonymous
    OJ had a young white girlfriend during and after his trial. One might think that a person who murders his significant other might be a bad choice for boyfriend. Yet here we have white women lining up to date this negro murderer. What is wrong with this segment of the white population? Their parents must be proud.

    Replies: @Nico

    There is a significant population of females which tends to fall for criminal males.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @Nico

    Chateau Heartiste documents this phenomenon on his blog. There is even a psychiatric condition, hybristophilia (Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome): sexual arousal by seeing cruelty inflicted on others. Girls are not all "sugar and spice and everything nice."

    Replies: @Nico

  197. @Dave Pinsen
    @AnotherDad

    I worked in a (different) office once, when a new office assistant started, a white girl. The current assistant, an Italian girl who grew up in mostly-NAM city, looked at her and said to me, "She's got a kid, and the father's black". She was 2-for-2.

    Replies: @bomag, @E. Rekshun

    “She’s got a kid, and the father’s black”

    I recently asked a 68-year old White female coworker why she was still working. She told me she had planned to retire at 62 y/o but she was raising her daughter’s four young children and “none of them are White!”

  198. @Erik Sieven
    @TheLatestInDecay

    this is something which makes me wonder. There are so many young men who spent their days mostly in the internet, working on the strangest things, statistics of computer games or something like that. And also there is this whole alt right / hbd sphere. Why is there no overlap, nobody who gets access to official data which might be public but underreported or not public yet and thus is able to draw a realistic picture of interracial vioelence, from beatings on the school yard up to murder?

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    There’s a book called The Color of Crime which has data of the type you describe. It documents the stupendous level of black crimnality and how much (a lot) is black on white.

  199. @Nico
    @anonymous

    There is a significant population of females which tends to fall for criminal males.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic

    Chateau Heartiste documents this phenomenon on his blog. There is even a psychiatric condition, hybristophilia (Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome): sexual arousal by seeing cruelty inflicted on others. Girls are not all “sugar and spice and everything nice.”

    • Replies: @Nico
    @Diversity Heretic


    Girls are not all “sugar and spice and everything nice.”
     
    This much is clear.

    My female friends who are not prey to feminism are very much lucid about the nasty phenomena of "what girls do" when they think guys aren't watching/listening. Ask a professional ballerina what sort of fate might befall the new girl on the troupe who's just a bit too prodigious and ambitious for the tastes of her colleagues.
  200. @J. Farmer
    The OJ Simpson trial was a pivotal movement in my personal history with race relations. I was 13 years old when the verdict was televised in October of 1995. I vividly remember my 8th grade class being interrupted by news of the announcement of the verdict. News stations everywhere had setup remotes to capture live public reaction to the verdict. Over and over, predominantly white audiences were shown in states of shock and awe to the "not guilty" verdict while predominantly black audiences were shown erupting into applause and jubilation. At this moment, my naive fantasies about cosmopolitan multiculturalism dissolved away. Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said "******" six or seven years earlier.

    I remember the predominant attitude among black friends at school was that while they almost universally believed in OJ's personal guilt, they were happy he got off. It was supposed to be a positive, watershed moment for racist relations in America. These were affluent, high IQ blacks who weren't into the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton shake down racket. I remember being presently surprised when Ann Coulter made pretty much the exact same argument in her 2012 book Mugged.

    Replies: @Truth

    Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said “******” six or seven years earlier.

    Well, no, Einstein; OJ was not “allowed” to get away with anything. OJ was exonerated in a U.S. court of law.

    Steve has covered the trials of Racehorse Haynes many times in which a rich (WHITE!) man killed a (WHITE!) woman, and was EXONERATED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW.

    Strangely, I do not remember any of those cases being decided by Mark Fuhrman having said “******” six years earlier.

    No, Old Sport, OJ was “allowed to get away with a brutal vicious murder” because he spent much more money on his defense team, than the state spent on his prosecution.

    Now, I am as American as the next guy, (and much moreso than the lot of you) and as such I am definitely in concurrence with your right to be a mouth-breathing simpleton, if that is your great desire in life. but, there is an old Buddhist parable that explains, better than anything else, why I continue to try to help cases such as yourself:

    Everyone knows the story of the Scorpion and the Frog; “I’m a scorpion, it’s my nature…” but there is an addendum to that:

    A monk sees an injured scorpion trying in vain to climb onto a sunning rock. He picks up the scorpion and places him gently upon the rock. The scorpion stings him, he goes back to the village and vomits, takes herbs, and rests before he recovers from the dangerous and painful affair.

    Upon recovery, walking down the banks of the river he sees another injured scorpion attempting to climb over a thick, superterranian tree root. He picks up the scorpion to help it, is stung, and the process repeats.

    A few months later he is walking along a marsh and he sees a scorpion floating by helplessly along a lilly pad, he reaches into the water and brings the scorpion onto land, again, he is bitten.

    Upon returning to town the third time, a fellow monk asks him, “My friend, you realize that the intrinsic nature of a scorpion is to sting, don’t you?!?!”

    He replies, “yes, but my intrinsic nature is to help.”

    • Replies: @J. Farmer
    @Truth

    Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said “******” six or seven years earlier."

    Umm...it's called hyperbole.

    EXONERATED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW.

    You do realize, right, that being "exonerated in a U.S. court of law" is not the same thing as being innocent?

    Replies: @Truth

  201. @Whiskey
    Whites were not particularly fond of Blacks until recently. Lincoln had highly negative things to say about Blacks, perhaps Blacks trying to kill him as a young man floating logs down to Baton Rouge had something to do with that. Dashiell Hammett is in bad odor with SJW because his stories portray Blacks negatively (criminal, stupid, low time orientation). The somewhat later and more upscale Rex Stout books have Blacks portrayed positively, though still subservient and lower IQ.

    I think the shift came in during WWII, when Blacks were needed as laborers and Dems needed their votes as servicemen were overseas fighting. But the inflection point was probably pro sports, not Jackie Robinson but likely the 1960s with Professional and College Football players. "Paul Kersey" at StuffBlackPeopleDontLike.com makes the point that college and pro sports are the true opiate of the people, and positive views of Blacks correlates highly with their dominance, near total, of college football and pro football.

    This is somewhat of an accident, baseball was never committed as pro football was to nationally televised games on a regular basis; and college football also filled the need for programming by the networks while other sports fell by the wayside (like Boxing). College and Pro Football fed a fantasy of a "respectable" Black athletic hero who was tougher/faster/stronger than White players but just as Middle Class White in behavior and attitude.

    I think this aspect is dying, rapidly:

    1. Increased integration for all but the higher income SJW/SWPL elites means more thug street Blacks in real life to offset TV fantasy Blacks.
    2. Whites turning off from TV mainline sports that cost as incomes decline in favor of free/low cost online stuff like racing, extreme sports, etc. ESPN has seen declines in viewership/carriage fees strong enough to push Disney stock down despite a new Star Wars movie and Marvel movie.
    3. Competition for the scarcest of resources, attractive young women. Nothing can turn a young White man into hate like losing a girl to a Black man. That's just human nature. Humans are genetically hard wired that way.

    This last is key. I've seen more and more mulatto babies with White mothers, Black father half around, half not. With the obesity epidemic hitting White women too, just not as hard as Black women, and Black women being both generally unattractive, and the very few who are preferring violent Thug Black men and being also unavailable save to a few celebrities like Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, the sexual competition aspect is IMHO a main but poorly recognized or understood driver of White American (men anway) not really having favorable opinions of Blacks.

    Loot at Television. That's a female/gay ghetto, though the drive for mass in reaction to carefully quantified demos via online advertising is changing things (the new Nancy Drew reboot starring Sarah Shahi was dumped after pilot because it "skewed too female"). But for now it remains startlingly female (around 85% of sitcom audiences are female IIRC). The sexy Black love interest for the White woman remains an audience staple. One bound to offend White male potential viewers; and cord-cutting (no more lucrative carriage fees -- in 2013 CBS got half its revenues from carriage fees), online competition mean the 1980s Brandon Tartikoff NBC strategy of fewer viewers but more upscale income won't work. Not the least of which real disposable income is declining for almost all but the top few percent.

    The future of Black/White approval is likely to be White women, gays, upscale elites in elite zip codes, highly approving of Blacks and desiring approval backwards, and most White men having little to no interest to outright hostility over women moderated by ever eroding social control of angry professional White women and increasingly effette and inept elites.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @PV van der Byl

    “… trying to kill him as a young man floating logs down to Baton Rouge…”

    Wasn’t it New Orleans?

  202. @D. K.
    @TomSchmidt

    Right, and Jason, who no longer lived with his father (unlike Jason's sister, who was living in one of the guesthouses, as was Kato Kaelin), somehow got himself to Rockingham, unseen, borrowed his father's white Ford Bronco, size-12 "ugly-ass" Bruno Magli shoes, leather gloves, and a pair of socks, went off and slaughtered his ex-step-mother, having to double down on Ron Goldman, when he interrupted the planned killing, and then drove the Bronco back to Rockingham, where he climbed over the fence, banging into Kato's guesthouse wall, and accidentally dropped, or else intentionally planted, one of O. J.'s gloves on the ground, covered in the victims' blood, placed samples of his father's blood on and inside of the Bronco, even mixing it with the victims' mixed blood, and stuck a sock with the victims' blood on it in O. J.'s clothes dryer. He then returned home, sight unseen again. At some point, he even convinced stranger Jill Shively to claim that it was his own father, driving the same white Ford Bronco (not to be confused with his friend, and former teammate, Al Cowlings' matching one, from the slow-speed chase, five days later), who almost had hit her car, while he was seemingly speeding away from the vicinity of Gretna Green, at just the right time, on the night of the murder.

    O. J. was so distraught over his realization that his son likely had brutally murdered his former step-mother, and tried to frame his own father, that O. J. wrote what appeared to be a suicide note, and then tried to run away to Mexico, wearing a disgiuse, carrying his passport, as well as thousands of dollars in cash, driven by the aforementioned Al Cowlings, in his aforementioned white Ford Bronco. O. J. previously had told a (Black) friend, who was with L.A.P.D. when they met, that he was afraid to take a polygraph, because he had dreamt of killing his ex-wife, Nicole, and was afraid that his denial of killing her might appear deceptive to the polygraph examiner, as a result. In reality, of course, he merely was casting doubt on his own innocence, in order to shelter his eldest son, Jason, whom he believed to be guilty.

    Replies: @D. K., @David In TN

    Jason as the “real killer” has been a staple for O.J. apologists from the beginning, and still is.

  203. @Truth
    @Mark Eugenikos




    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it?
     
    I've covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.


    If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid.
     
    Well it's been 150 years and the US has not lost it's place on top of the world pyramid, has it? OK, so obviously this is irrelevant.


    The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we “give a shit”, to use your words again? I don’t see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery
     
    You are familiar that the Civil War had some small, insignificant confluence with slavery, right?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe

    “I’ve covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.”

    I have lived almost all of my life in a part of the country, settled pre-Civil War, in which prairies were turned into cropland, forests chopped down, timber made into lumber in sawmills, grain milled, stevedoring in the port cities done (I live in such a city), and many buildings built, all entirely by free labor. It’s a very heavily populated, highly industrialized area. So much for the notion that the US economy was based on slavery. One region was not the nation, and there was a lot of free labor in the extensive uplands of that region.

  204. @Forbes
    @Svigor

    Ron Goldman was friends with Nicole--he wasn't dating her, i.e. he wasn't intimate with her. Goldman somewhat resembled the guy who was "dating" her. Goldman was present by an accidental turn of fate.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    We all look the same to OJ.

  205. @Forbes
    @Hibernian

    Jock-sniffing sports reporters believe they are journalists--after all, it's all commentary and opinion--hence, The Narrative. Reporting is telling the story of what happened, but so-called journalism puts on an interpretive lens to tell you how and why the story happened, conforming to The Narrative, regardless of what happened.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    The sportswriters actually worth reading avoid talking to players like the plague.

    • Agree: Forbes
  206. @Jefferson
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Jefferson, I know that you have self identified has having an Italian lineage, but please drop the use of the term Guinea, it is demeaning."

    If that word offends you so much, than I recommend you never watch The Anthony Cumia Show, because he has used that word plenty of times even to describe himself.

    Replies: @Marty, @Buffalo Joe

    I second the request. I don’t care what Cumia, whoever he is, does. Here in SF, where most of us are northern italian and have class, I’ve never heard anyone use the term. Have more respect for yourself.

  207. @Truth
    @Mark Eugenikos




    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it?
     
    I've covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.


    If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid.
     
    Well it's been 150 years and the US has not lost it's place on top of the world pyramid, has it? OK, so obviously this is irrelevant.


    The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we “give a shit”, to use your words again? I don’t see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery
     
    You are familiar that the Civil War had some small, insignificant confluence with slavery, right?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe

    I’ve covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.

    I suspect agriculture was number one, but even allowing your statement doesn’t mean that it was a particularly productive industry. Kind of like saying the welfare state is 21st America’s number one industry: arguably true, but it is not a particularly productive industry.

    The numbers I’ve seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @bomag


    The numbers I’ve seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.
     
    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay...how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.
     
    Where, exactly, did I "nurse" that notion?

    Replies: @JSM, @D. K., @bomag

  208. Jay says:

    An example of a white bending over backwards to be favorably disposed: Ten years ago on The Belmont Club I was trying to arouse some interest among the commenters regarding disproportionate black criminality. One individual, a frequent and frequently praised commenter, replied that he would never discuss the subject because doing so might demoralize a young black person.

    Demoralize a young black person. How the hell about warning old white persons, who are frequent victims. Such drivel on a pseudo-conservative blog.

  209. @Marty T
    @Dave Shanken

    ESPN has been increasingly leftist politically for years. They openly cheered gay "marriage", they gave an award to Bruce Jenner in drag, and they will fire you if you are open about your conservative views. But liberal views never get sanction.

    As for the audience, my guess is many dont like the politics, but for now ESPN is a semi monopoly.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Jim Don Bob

    Half of the people who “pay” $5 or $6 a month for ESPN because it is bundled into a package of stuff they want do not even watch it. ESPN has signed $5+ billion of sports contracts. A la carte pricing of cable channels, which I have suggested to President Trump, would put them out of business. My two year agreement with Verizon is up in late June and I am cutting the cord.

  210. @Forbes
    @Hibernian

    Jock-sniffing sports reporters believe they are journalists--after all, it's all commentary and opinion--hence, The Narrative. Reporting is telling the story of what happened, but so-called journalism puts on an interpretive lens to tell you how and why the story happened, conforming to The Narrative, regardless of what happened.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jim Don Bob

    +1. An excellent point on the distinction between reporting and Journalism. I miss the former, and blame much of the rise of the latter on TV news.

  211. Jay says:
    @Jefferson
    @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    "I will never understand “white guilt” over slavery. Africans sold each other into slavery. They were purchased by Jews, Whites, Arabs, and other Africans. Why should only Whites be blamed?"

    I rarely meet a Guinea who feels guilt over slavery. That's something you WASPs are obsessed with.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Lurker, @Buffalo Joe, @Jay

    WASP as in New England slave trader and Tidewater planter. The Scots-Irish while not completely uninvolved in slave-holding were relatively minor participants. For those Ulstermen who were slave-holders, the nature of upland farms limited the number held; therefore the slaves on such farms lived mostly as stable family groups and had lives closer to their masters than was the case on plantations. The Ulstermen were also first or second generation slave-holders, having arrived a century after the Tidewater was deeply committed to African slavery.

  212. e says:
    @Cwhatfuture
    When OJ was found "not guilty", I remember my brother telling me, it is very hard to convict a millionaire of murder, their lawyers are so much better than the prosecuting attorneys. Of course this jury was about race, and Robert Blake's jury was about a woman that was hated for gold digging, but had OJ or Blake or Robert Durst (and there are many others) had a public defender, they would have gone to jail. Prosecutors plead out the bad cases, and they are up against over worked public defenders on the others but they rarely go up against a defense team who can match them in resources, can afford the best experts and are more experienced trial lawyers. And when they do, they stumble, look inept, and make obvious mistakes. It would be like even a decent college football team playing against an excellent professional team for the first time. That would not be pretty.

    Replies: @e

    I used to assume Blake was guilty until I saw a special last year on his year in jail, the trial, and the life of his murdered wife. It seems much more likely that a former chump his wife took to the cleaners was the murdered. She was, after all, a supreme grifter, and there were many who had motives to knock her off. Wish I could tell you the name of the show, but I can’t recall it.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @e

    Right, this anonymous chump obviously was lying in wait, down the street from where she and Blake were eating dinner, just in case she returned to the car alone. She did not, but the anonymous chump caught a lucky break, because Blake forgot that he had left his own revolver in his booth at the restaurant, and went back to get it, leaving her alone in the passenger seat, so the anonymous chump was able to come out of the shadows and shoot her in the head and shoulder with a World War II-era German sidearm. Q.E.D. We must not let Blake's own solicitations of others to commit the murder to cloud our thoughts....

    http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/blake-robert-evidence.htm

  213. Capitalising white is not grammatically correct. Sorry.

    Wrong. It’s correct either way.

  214. Well it’s been 150 years and the US has not lost it’s place on top of the world pyramid, has it? OK, so obviously this is irrelevant.

    So maybe it wasn’t so important after all.

  215. @e
    @Cwhatfuture

    I used to assume Blake was guilty until I saw a special last year on his year in jail, the trial, and the life of his murdered wife. It seems much more likely that a former chump his wife took to the cleaners was the murdered. She was, after all, a supreme grifter, and there were many who had motives to knock her off. Wish I could tell you the name of the show, but I can't recall it.

    Replies: @D. K.

    Right, this anonymous chump obviously was lying in wait, down the street from where she and Blake were eating dinner, just in case she returned to the car alone. She did not, but the anonymous chump caught a lucky break, because Blake forgot that he had left his own revolver in his booth at the restaurant, and went back to get it, leaving her alone in the passenger seat, so the anonymous chump was able to come out of the shadows and shoot her in the head and shoulder with a World War II-era German sidearm. Q.E.D. We must not let Blake’s own solicitations of others to commit the murder to cloud our thoughts….

    http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/blake-robert-evidence.htm

  216. @Reg Cæsar
    @whorefinder


    What OJ Simpson taught me was that blacks do not care about justice or right and wrong, and only care about their own skin color.
     
    Simpson seemed to like a skin color other than his own.

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    Interesting case ripped from today’s headlines: Former NBA player Etan Thomas gets shut down by white devil girl on a train and tries to “shame her” on Fakebook.

  217. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    DA o.J. and da doc Cosby be innocent, also…
    .
    .
    • I FIRMLY believe that it was strongly RACIST that there were NO AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN on that 80’s sit-com “The Golden Gals.” So,

    So, I wrote a firmly languaged letter to all the TV Networks DEMANDING a remake of “The Golden Gals” titled “The Golden Sistas” starring Oprah Winfrey, Whoopie Goldberg, Camille Cosby and LaToya Jackson.

    BLACK LIVES MATTER

  218. @JSM
    @Michelle

    Michelle, I fart in your general direction. Either capitalize White or *don't* capitalize Black. But knock it off with the double standard. (And I'm a White woman.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Michelle

    Are you aware of what your acronym is representative of? Probably not, you total loser! Get a clue!

  219. @dcite
    @Michelle

    There are grammar rules about that -- where are they written down? The BLM manual?
    Referring to a race by a color is a non-proper noun method of doing so, probably because a color tends to evoke the thought of an adjective more than a noun.
    It's also a less formal method than using proper nouns like "Negro" (dated term, but usually capitalized in its day) or "Caucasian." Even in the Jim Crow south of yesteryear, they would not have capitalized "white" without capitalizing "black." Except that neither was capitalized ever in normal narrative. This silly capitalized "Black" is something that I've seen whites using and I find it hilarious. Life imitates parody.
    Why would you adhere to such a "rule" anyway? You won't get any brownie point here for it.

    Replies: @Michelle, @Marcus

    Do you think that I am “Looking for brownie points”? Did you type, “Brownie”? How racist!

    Seriously. I do not, I repeat, do not give a rat’s butt for the opinions of others. That is what is great about being a right-winger! Black, Black, Black!! White, white, white, white, white!!!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Michelle

    Michelle, Hmmmm, the comment section is all about opinions, but you know that. Right? And what does JSM, the initials stand for, not JSM, the commenter.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    , @Marcus
    @Michelle

    What's "right wing" about that? BTW "Most journalism-related style guides, like those of the Associated Press and New York Times, call for putting both “white” and “black” in all lowercase letters. Others, like The Chicago Manual of Style, allow capitalization if an author or publication prefers to do so. Dictionaries also allow both capitalization and lowercase versions. In other words, it’s fielder’s choice whether to capitalize “black” and “white” or not." http://www.cjr.org/analysis/language_corner_1.php
    Sorry, kissing black butt won't save you from Nicole's fate.

  220. @Jefferson
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Jefferson, I know that you have self identified has having an Italian lineage, but please drop the use of the term Guinea, it is demeaning."

    If that word offends you so much, than I recommend you never watch The Anthony Cumia Show, because he has used that word plenty of times even to describe himself.

    Replies: @Marty, @Buffalo Joe

    Jefferson, No idea who Anthony Cumia is, but the word Paisan would nicely cover what you are trying to say. Ok, Paisan?

  221. @Jack D
    @BB753

    Certainly in the past it would be true, but the rules have changed. There are lots of perfectly nice young women nowadays who have tattoos or piercings - in their generation it's just a fashion thing, like getting your ears pierced once was. It's not the mark of anything anymore except a desire to conform with fashionable trends.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Buffalo Joe, @SPMoore8, @BB753

    Jack D, yes fashion standards and fashion trends change, remember bell bottom pants, but you can throw those old clothes out or donate them. A tattoo is forever and laser removal still leaves a very noticeable mark. Pierced ears, limited to a couple per ear, are ok with me …..on women.

  222. @Truth
    @Mark Eugenikos




    Are you saying that slavery contributed to the U.S. achieving top place on the world pyramid? And if yes, by how much and how do you measure it?
     
    I've covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.


    If so, then you should also measure how the aftereffects of slavery are going to contribute to the U.S. losing its place on top of the world pyramid.
     
    Well it's been 150 years and the US has not lost it's place on top of the world pyramid, has it? OK, so obviously this is irrelevant.


    The point is, slavery ended 150+ years ago, so why should we “give a shit”, to use your words again? I don’t see that we care about the Civil War, which affected far more people than slavery did, to nearly the same extent that we care, or should care, about slavery
     
    You are familiar that the Civil War had some small, insignificant confluence with slavery, right?

    Replies: @Hibernian, @bomag, @Buffalo Joe

    Light!, You were much less edgy when you were Truth. Slavery is not agriculture, but a tool in the process.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @Buffalo Joe

    Yes, so are an axe and a saw, but It's hard as help to chop down a tree without them.

  223. @Michelle
    @dcite

    Do you think that I am "Looking for brownie points"? Did you type, "Brownie"? How racist!


    Seriously. I do not, I repeat, do not give a rat's butt for the opinions of others. That is what is great about being a right-winger! Black, Black, Black!! White, white, white, white, white!!!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Marcus

    Michelle, Hmmmm, the comment section is all about opinions, but you know that. Right? And what does JSM, the initials stand for, not JSM, the commenter.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Buffalo Joe

    According to the entire first page when you Google it, it means joint statistical meeting.

  224. CJ says:
    @Michelle
    @David In TN

    O.J.'s niece said that O.J. never did anything for his own family, but did everything for the Browns. The niece said that her mother, O.J.'s sister, and her husband, came to L.A. to support O.J. during the trial but had little money and had to rent a car to get to the trial. When the niece asked her mom why they couldn't just drive O.J.'s car, the mom got defensive. "We can't drive O.J.'s car", she replied. The niece didn't get it. It was as if they weren't good enough to touch O.J.'s fancy stuff. Once the niece wondered aloud if O.J. was guilty and her mother climbed over the front seat of the rental car to the back to beat her daughter up. The niece also said that Nicole was anything but a gold digger. She said Nicole was very frugal, in the way of many Germans. Nicole wore the same clothes many times and would buy cut flowers and arrange them herself. She also said that Nicole's family was very kind to her, but that she just didn't feel as if she fit in with them.

    Replies: @CJ

    I am not familiar with personal details of the Brown family, but what is a fact is that at the time of the murders O.J. was paying alimony/support of $24,000 a month and his income had recently been significantly reduced when he lost his gig with NFL on NBC. It’s not unreasonable IMO to wonder if this played a role in the whole catastrophe.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @CJ

    I know Da Bruthas live in the moment, but any rich guy marrying a middle-class woman half his age really should consider the worst-case scenario that could occur when the marriage ends. This applies even more so to an interracial marriage.

    Replies: @Michelle

  225. @Jack D
    @BB753

    Certainly in the past it would be true, but the rules have changed. There are lots of perfectly nice young women nowadays who have tattoos or piercings - in their generation it's just a fashion thing, like getting your ears pierced once was. It's not the mark of anything anymore except a desire to conform with fashionable trends.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Buffalo Joe, @SPMoore8, @BB753

    I don’t think a woman with tatts is a slut, although I don’t think of promiscuous women as sluts, I think of them more as being high maintenance.

    Speaking as an old guy, a woman fulfills three purposes to a man: a companion to share your life with, and who ideally therefore should be reliable, dependable, and stable; a mother to your children, and who should therefore have good genes (e.g., brains) and a generous spirit; and finally a lover, who will keep you satisfied, and who should therefore be practical, understanding, and enjoy sex with you. Everything else, including good looks, comes after that.

    When I see a woman with tatts, and especially a whole sleeve of tatts, I think: vain, silly, not very bright, impulsive, and somewhat low class. IOW, the kind of woman I wouldn’t have wanted to hook up with back in the day, no matter how good looking she was.

  226. @Truth
    @J. Farmer


    Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said “******” six or seven years earlier.
     
    Well, no, Einstein; OJ was not "allowed" to get away with anything. OJ was exonerated in a U.S. court of law.

    Steve has covered the trials of Racehorse Haynes many times in which a rich (WHITE!) man killed a (WHITE!) woman, and was EXONERATED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW.

    Strangely, I do not remember any of those cases being decided by Mark Fuhrman having said "******" six years earlier.

    No, Old Sport, OJ was "allowed to get away with a brutal vicious murder" because he spent much more money on his defense team, than the state spent on his prosecution.

    Now, I am as American as the next guy, (and much moreso than the lot of you) and as such I am definitely in concurrence with your right to be a mouth-breathing simpleton, if that is your great desire in life. but, there is an old Buddhist parable that explains, better than anything else, why I continue to try to help cases such as yourself:

    Everyone knows the story of the Scorpion and the Frog; "I'm a scorpion, it's my nature..." but there is an addendum to that:

    A monk sees an injured scorpion trying in vain to climb onto a sunning rock. He picks up the scorpion and places him gently upon the rock. The scorpion stings him, he goes back to the village and vomits, takes herbs, and rests before he recovers from the dangerous and painful affair.

    Upon recovery, walking down the banks of the river he sees another injured scorpion attempting to climb over a thick, superterranian tree root. He picks up the scorpion to help it, is stung, and the process repeats.

    A few months later he is walking along a marsh and he sees a scorpion floating by helplessly along a lilly pad, he reaches into the water and brings the scorpion onto land, again, he is bitten.

    Upon returning to town the third time, a fellow monk asks him, "My friend, you realize that the intrinsic nature of a scorpion is to sting, don't you?!?!"

    He replies, "yes, but my intrinsic nature is to help."

    Replies: @J. Farmer

    Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said “******” six or seven years earlier.”

    Umm…it’s called hyperbole.

    EXONERATED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW.

    You do realize, right, that being “exonerated in a U.S. court of law” is not the same thing as being innocent?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @J. Farmer


    You do realize, right, that being “exonerated in a U.S. court of law” is not the same thing as being innocent?
     
    It is the same thing as being "not guilty."

    Replies: @David In TN

  227. @Jack D
    @BB753

    Certainly in the past it would be true, but the rules have changed. There are lots of perfectly nice young women nowadays who have tattoos or piercings - in their generation it's just a fashion thing, like getting your ears pierced once was. It's not the mark of anything anymore except a desire to conform with fashionable trends.

    Replies: @Danindc, @Buffalo Joe, @SPMoore8, @BB753

    This might be partly true for those girls under 25 years old, but not for older gals. Do you know what a “tramp stamp” is?

  228. EXONERATED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW.

    Precisely why this case still matters. Jury nullification works both ways.

  229. @bomag
    @Truth


    I’ve covered this on multiple occasions in the past. Slavery was THE number one industry in America in the eighteenth and early nineteenth century, please do your own research.
     
    I suspect agriculture was number one, but even allowing your statement doesn't mean that it was a particularly productive industry. Kind of like saying the welfare state is 21st America's number one industry: arguably true, but it is not a particularly productive industry.

    The numbers I've seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.

    Replies: @Truth

    The numbers I’ve seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.

    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay…how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.

    Where, exactly, did I “nurse” that notion?

    • Replies: @JSM
    @Truth

    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay…how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    PPPTTTT. Lifetime employees, who are never paid, work as liiiiiiittttllle as they can get away with. And, they still need fed. They have to be provided sufficient housing not to die of exposure. They get sick. If they run off, you have to spend money on bounty hunters to get your slave, that you paid boocoo bucks for, back. All these costs come on the expense side of the Slaver's ledger.

    Nah. The fiscally sound-er idea is the evilly ingenious one of today's Neo Slave Power: import desperately poor third worlders, and pay them just a pittance, while letting the rest of the people in your society, through their tax dollars, provide for the rest of the cost of their upkeep. That way, you, Mr. Neo-Slaver, don't have to spend any money on medical doctors for your workers when they get sick. Send 'em to the County Hospital for "charity care." Heck, you don't even have to feed their kids -- the local schools do that. If your neo-slave, for which you paid ZERO dollars, runs off back to Mexico, no worries, there are a thousand more desperately poor third worlders clamoring to get into your town and come to work for you, so they can get something to eat, for ZERO cost to you. It's all PURE PROFIT! YEEHAW!

    And , as an added bonus, you get to do some moral posturing to all the "racists" in your town tired of subsidizing your cheap labor with their tax dollars, that you, Mr. Neo-Slaver, are just "helping the poor to have a better life."

    Replies: @Truth

    , @D. K.
    @Truth

    You never had to pay them; you merely had to buy them or breed them. In the latter case, you had to support their being raised to the age where they could start making some work contribution. In either case, even once they were productive, you had to feed them, clothe them, shelter them, tend to their physical health, instruct them, secure them, and otherwise provide for them-- until they were injured, or simply grew too old to be productive, at which point you had to care for all of their needs, with no future return on investment. Since they never were paid, they also never could buy anything that they helped to produce; nor, as chattel property, could they be legally charged for anything that you provided for them. How, exactly, was that "free" labor to the slaveowner? How was that a superior business model to perpetually importing a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor, as was done during the Gilded Age's Great Wave of Immigration, and as is being done, again, today?

    Replies: @Truth

    , @bomag
    @Truth


    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay…how could that ever be fiscally sound?
     
    To the other responders, I'll add that I've never seen accounts where people paid more for capital assets associated with slavery. If all this "free labor" was so great, we should have seen a premium paid for slave enterprises. With all the usual fixed and variable costs, you have to figure in the externalities of security, political battles, and the occasional military battle. Such a buzz kill for those trying to make a buck.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  230. @Buffalo Joe
    @Truth

    Light!, You were much less edgy when you were Truth. Slavery is not agriculture, but a tool in the process.

    Replies: @Truth

    Yes, so are an axe and a saw, but It’s hard as help to chop down a tree without them.

  231. @J. Farmer
    @Truth

    Once I realized that Simpson was allowed to get away with a brutal, vicious murder because Mark Fuhrman had said “******” six or seven years earlier."

    Umm...it's called hyperbole.

    EXONERATED IN A U.S. COURT OF LAW.

    You do realize, right, that being "exonerated in a U.S. court of law" is not the same thing as being innocent?

    Replies: @Truth

    You do realize, right, that being “exonerated in a U.S. court of law” is not the same thing as being innocent?

    It is the same thing as being “not guilty.”

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Truth

    Blacks are more likely to call for innocent men to be convicted than whites ever are.

    Replies: @Truth

  232. @Diversity Heretic
    @Nico

    Chateau Heartiste documents this phenomenon on his blog. There is even a psychiatric condition, hybristophilia (Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome): sexual arousal by seeing cruelty inflicted on others. Girls are not all "sugar and spice and everything nice."

    Replies: @Nico

    Girls are not all “sugar and spice and everything nice.”

    This much is clear.

    My female friends who are not prey to feminism are very much lucid about the nasty phenomena of “what girls do” when they think guys aren’t watching/listening. Ask a professional ballerina what sort of fate might befall the new girl on the troupe who’s just a bit too prodigious and ambitious for the tastes of her colleagues.

  233. @Buffalo Joe
    @Michelle

    Michelle, Hmmmm, the comment section is all about opinions, but you know that. Right? And what does JSM, the initials stand for, not JSM, the commenter.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    According to the entire first page when you Google it, it means joint statistical meeting.

  234. @CJ
    @Michelle

    I am not familiar with personal details of the Brown family, but what is a fact is that at the time of the murders O.J. was paying alimony/support of $24,000 a month and his income had recently been significantly reduced when he lost his gig with NFL on NBC. It's not unreasonable IMO to wonder if this played a role in the whole catastrophe.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I know Da Bruthas live in the moment, but any rich guy marrying a middle-class woman half his age really should consider the worst-case scenario that could occur when the marriage ends. This applies even more so to an interracial marriage.

    • Replies: @Michelle
    @Brutusale

    I read an account, probably from ESPN, I disremember now, that stated that many Black athletes (especially basketball players who had contracts in Europe) married European women, who were often former athletes themselves, and that the marriages were often matches made in hell. The European wives would try to (re)make the Black athletes lives, emphasizing, "Healthy, eating and living", thus dissing the beloved mothers of the Black athletes, who often cooked the favorite "bad for you" foods that the Black athletes loved.

    Jesus H. Christ, what is the point of being an athlete if you can't eat what you want? You gotta die of something, right?

    White people cannot stop trying to "uplift" the non-white. It is a curse. Europeans have been trying to remake everyone into their image for centuries. Screw them!

  235. JSM says:
    @Truth
    @bomag


    The numbers I’ve seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.
     
    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay...how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.
     
    Where, exactly, did I "nurse" that notion?

    Replies: @JSM, @D. K., @bomag

    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay…how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    PPPTTTT. Lifetime employees, who are never paid, work as liiiiiiittttllle as they can get away with. And, they still need fed. They have to be provided sufficient housing not to die of exposure. They get sick. If they run off, you have to spend money on bounty hunters to get your slave, that you paid boocoo bucks for, back. All these costs come on the expense side of the Slaver’s ledger.

    Nah. The fiscally sound-er idea is the evilly ingenious one of today’s Neo Slave Power: import desperately poor third worlders, and pay them just a pittance, while letting the rest of the people in your society, through their tax dollars, provide for the rest of the cost of their upkeep. That way, you, Mr. Neo-Slaver, don’t have to spend any money on medical doctors for your workers when they get sick. Send ’em to the County Hospital for “charity care.” Heck, you don’t even have to feed their kids — the local schools do that. If your neo-slave, for which you paid ZERO dollars, runs off back to Mexico, no worries, there are a thousand more desperately poor third worlders clamoring to get into your town and come to work for you, so they can get something to eat, for ZERO cost to you. It’s all PURE PROFIT! YEEHAW!

    And , as an added bonus, you get to do some moral posturing to all the “racists” in your town tired of subsidizing your cheap labor with their tax dollars, that you, Mr. Neo-Slaver, are just “helping the poor to have a better life.”

    • Replies: @Truth
    @JSM

    Now Sheila, you can do better.



    PPPTTTT. Lifetime employees, who are never paid, work as liiiiiiittttllle as they can get a way with.
     
    Which is governed by a lunatic yielding a cat-o-nine-tails, which, translated, means "work your god-dammed ass off 14 hours a day.


    Nah. The fiscally sound-er idea is the evilly ingenious one of today’s Neo Slave Power: import desperately poor third worlders, and pay them just a pittance,
     
    We don't pay anyone a pittance, we have a minimum wage which is much higher than what most of the rest of the world makes of average.


    while letting the rest of the people in your society, through their tax dollars, provide for the rest of the cost of their upkeep.
     
    Well now, if I get your implication, hiring these people illegally, is against the law, which could send you TO PRISON. Slavery was legal.
  236. I was on campus at Eastern Washington University in an Educational Psychology class with about 60 students in a large classroom. When the verdict came down, the entire class cheered!

    There were about 4-5 of us (all guys)talking about it after class….we were the only ones who thought he did it.

    Never be the first to stop applauding indeed.

  237. @Michelle
    To be fair, Black men beat the ever loving hell out of Black women way more than they do white women. Black women are almost totally inured to it. Many, if not most, Black women have been repeatedly beaten by one or more significant other. They also know, that most of the time, said significant other will stop short of killing them, so they don't necessarily make the leap from jealousy based abuse to murder. That is why Blacks on O.J.'s jury were not impressed by Nicole having a few bruises on her face, that just means love to them. Black women are incredibly loyal to Black men. I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters' sons. In any case, we white women could take a leaf out of their book and be more supportive, loyal and faithful to our white men.

    Replies: @ziel, @anon, @Jim Sweeney, @Crawfurdmuir, @TheLatestInDecay, @Anonymous, @Buffalo Joe, @artichoke, @123, @Marcus

    Yeah look at Rihanna (though she’s an immigrant) and Ray Rice’s wife staying after being beaten. ” I often think they are trying to make up for how often they (willingly) consorted with the slave masters and the slave masters’ sons.”
    Lol you’re giving them way too much credit.

  238. @Michelle
    @dcite

    Do you think that I am "Looking for brownie points"? Did you type, "Brownie"? How racist!


    Seriously. I do not, I repeat, do not give a rat's butt for the opinions of others. That is what is great about being a right-winger! Black, Black, Black!! White, white, white, white, white!!!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Marcus

    What’s “right wing” about that? BTW “Most journalism-related style guides, like those of the Associated Press and New York Times, call for putting both “white” and “black” in all lowercase letters. Others, like The Chicago Manual of Style, allow capitalization if an author or publication prefers to do so. Dictionaries also allow both capitalization and lowercase versions. In other words, it’s fielder’s choice whether to capitalize “black” and “white” or not.” http://www.cjr.org/analysis/language_corner_1.php
    Sorry, kissing black butt won’t save you from Nicole’s fate.

  239. @Truth
    @bomag


    The numbers I’ve seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.
     
    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay...how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.
     
    Where, exactly, did I "nurse" that notion?

    Replies: @JSM, @D. K., @bomag

    You never had to pay them; you merely had to buy them or breed them. In the latter case, you had to support their being raised to the age where they could start making some work contribution. In either case, even once they were productive, you had to feed them, clothe them, shelter them, tend to their physical health, instruct them, secure them, and otherwise provide for them– until they were injured, or simply grew too old to be productive, at which point you had to care for all of their needs, with no future return on investment. Since they never were paid, they also never could buy anything that they helped to produce; nor, as chattel property, could they be legally charged for anything that you provided for them. How, exactly, was that “free” labor to the slaveowner? How was that a superior business model to perpetually importing a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor, as was done during the Gilded Age’s Great Wave of Immigration, and as is being done, again, today?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @D. K.


    In the latter case, you had to support their being raised to the age where they could start making some work contribution.
     
    Which was generally about 4. And there was very little support involved. Slaves built their own quarters, farmed their own plots to eat, and were given the parts of the animal the whites did not want to eat or buy. Which, by the way, are still considered "delicacies" today.


    How, exactly, was that “free” labor to the slaveowner? How was that a superior business model to perpetually importing a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor, as was done during the Gilded Age’s Great Wave of Immigration, and as is being done, again, today?
     
    Well, if it was, the south would have been %40 Irish, not black, now wouldn't it have?

    I can't continue this, your argument is pure, uncut horseshit. Why don't you just admit that not having to give your employees money, is a good business strategy, and then you can move on to something a little more two sided, like water flowing uphill.

    Look, I really try to be a nice guy and a warm and effusive poster, but sometimes this whole "I shudda pickt mah own kottin" obtuseness is so ridiculous, it makes me wonder if that's what you would have done because you couldn't have found a job doing anything else. And I'm not just picking on you here, Ace.

    Replies: @D. K.

  240. @Jefferson
    I remember watching a low budget Lifetime film in the 1990s where a Mulatto woman played by an actress named Jasmine Guy, marries a White man she met in the military.

    He ends up becoming an abusive alcoholic husband, beats her, and eventually murders her. It's like the OJ case, except the races are reversed. It's a man bites dog film.

    Replies: @M_Young

    “He ends up becoming an abusive alcoholic husband, beats her, and eventually murders her. It’s like the OJ case, except the races are reversed. It’s a man bites dog film.”

    And of course, law and order did the same thing, with a white baseball player (Bobby Cannavale) taking OJ’s role.

    http://lawandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Murder_Book

    Plot here

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/LawAndOrderS17E16MurderBook

  241. @Truth
    @bomag


    The numbers I’ve seen presented by your side reflect Southern slavery as laughably uneconomic by modern standards. Slavery in general is not particularly productive; probably the largest reason it went away. Slave areas tend to be poor.
     
    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay...how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    You nurse the notion that Blacks were hardworking and productive in the past, thus entitled to stuff today and forevermore. Whatever. I guess it gets you through the day.
     
    Where, exactly, did I "nurse" that notion?

    Replies: @JSM, @D. K., @bomag

    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay…how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    To the other responders, I’ll add that I’ve never seen accounts where people paid more for capital assets associated with slavery. If all this “free labor” was so great, we should have seen a premium paid for slave enterprises. With all the usual fixed and variable costs, you have to figure in the externalities of security, political battles, and the occasional military battle. Such a buzz kill for those trying to make a buck.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @bomag

    Slaves were worth a fortune in the South in the 1850s. Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

    Replies: @D. K., @Hippopotamusdrome, @bomag

  242. @bomag
    @Truth


    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay…how could that ever be fiscally sound?
     
    To the other responders, I'll add that I've never seen accounts where people paid more for capital assets associated with slavery. If all this "free labor" was so great, we should have seen a premium paid for slave enterprises. With all the usual fixed and variable costs, you have to figure in the externalities of security, political battles, and the occasional military battle. Such a buzz kill for those trying to make a buck.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Slaves were worth a fortune in the South in the 1850s. Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    . . . and what greater economic genius was there, in antebellum America, than poet-philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson?!? The issue is not what the slaves en masse were worth; the issue is what they cost to assemble, operate and maintain, versus free labor-- free labor that also could be sold everything that they required, and even driven into slavery of a different kind: debt slavery! A two-billion-dollar buyout would have amounted to barely more than $500 per slave, in 1860. What did it take, per worker, to assemble, operate and maintain a slave population of nearly four million, including men, women and children, from birth unto death? You can be driven into bankruptcy by winning a "free" luxury automobile, if you try to operate and maintain it as your own property!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Steve Sailer



    Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

     

    What was he planning on doing with so many slaves, build a pyramid?

    Replies: @D. K.

    , @bomag
    @Steve Sailer

    At those prices, they were not an economic unit. They couldn't earn their owner enough to pay off the list price.

    Kind of like farmland today. Or new John Deere combines.

  243. @Steve Sailer
    @bomag

    Slaves were worth a fortune in the South in the 1850s. Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

    Replies: @D. K., @Hippopotamusdrome, @bomag

    . . . and what greater economic genius was there, in antebellum America, than poet-philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson?!? The issue is not what the slaves en masse were worth; the issue is what they cost to assemble, operate and maintain, versus free labor– free labor that also could be sold everything that they required, and even driven into slavery of a different kind: debt slavery! A two-billion-dollar buyout would have amounted to barely more than $500 per slave, in 1860. What did it take, per worker, to assemble, operate and maintain a slave population of nearly four million, including men, women and children, from birth unto death? You can be driven into bankruptcy by winning a “free” luxury automobile, if you try to operate and maintain it as your own property!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @D. K.

    Slaves assembled new slaves for their owners.

    Owning slaves in the 1850s during the King Cotton bubble was extremely profitable.

    Replies: @D. K., @IBC

  244. @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    . . . and what greater economic genius was there, in antebellum America, than poet-philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson?!? The issue is not what the slaves en masse were worth; the issue is what they cost to assemble, operate and maintain, versus free labor-- free labor that also could be sold everything that they required, and even driven into slavery of a different kind: debt slavery! A two-billion-dollar buyout would have amounted to barely more than $500 per slave, in 1860. What did it take, per worker, to assemble, operate and maintain a slave population of nearly four million, including men, women and children, from birth unto death? You can be driven into bankruptcy by winning a "free" luxury automobile, if you try to operate and maintain it as your own property!

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Slaves assembled new slaves for their owners.

    Owning slaves in the 1850s during the King Cotton bubble was extremely profitable.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    Raising cotton during the cotton bubble was extremely profitable-- because of the bubble! That does not mean that slavery was the reason for the high profits, nor that slavery was economically superior to a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor. When a slave was busy assembling a new slave for her owner, her other chores suffered-- and one or the other, or both, often died, into the bargain! Young slaves who were of little or no productive use, meanwhile, had to be tended to by other slaves, especially during infancy-- other slaves who otherwise would have been out in the fields, picking cotton!

    Replies: @Truth, @Steve Sailer

    , @IBC
    @Steve Sailer

    "assembled"? American slavery apologists used to argue that a strong "natural increase" among American slaves was evidence for them enjoying better treatment than their Caribbean counterparts. There may have been some truth to that, but once the international slave trade had been outlawed, it also created a market opportunity for people like Nathan Bedford Forrest, who in the decades just before the Civil War, made a fortune buying slaves in the older parts of the South and selling them "down the river" to the burgeoning plantations of the Mississippi Delta.

    Replies: @Sean

  245. @Steve Sailer
    @D. K.

    Slaves assembled new slaves for their owners.

    Owning slaves in the 1850s during the King Cotton bubble was extremely profitable.

    Replies: @D. K., @IBC

    Raising cotton during the cotton bubble was extremely profitable– because of the bubble! That does not mean that slavery was the reason for the high profits, nor that slavery was economically superior to a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor. When a slave was busy assembling a new slave for her owner, her other chores suffered– and one or the other, or both, often died, into the bargain! Young slaves who were of little or no productive use, meanwhile, had to be tended to by other slaves, especially during infancy– other slaves who otherwise would have been out in the fields, picking cotton!

    • Replies: @Truth
    @D. K.

    Old Sport, even Steve gave up on you after two responses.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @D. K.

    Obviously, slaveowners in 1861 didn't understand their own economic interests as well as you do 155 years later.

    Replies: @D. K.

  246. @dcite
    @Michelle

    There are grammar rules about that -- where are they written down? The BLM manual?
    Referring to a race by a color is a non-proper noun method of doing so, probably because a color tends to evoke the thought of an adjective more than a noun.
    It's also a less formal method than using proper nouns like "Negro" (dated term, but usually capitalized in its day) or "Caucasian." Even in the Jim Crow south of yesteryear, they would not have capitalized "white" without capitalizing "black." Except that neither was capitalized ever in normal narrative. This silly capitalized "Black" is something that I've seen whites using and I find it hilarious. Life imitates parody.
    Why would you adhere to such a "rule" anyway? You won't get any brownie point here for it.

    Replies: @Michelle, @Marcus

    Maybe she learned from this? We’d have to check out her Tumblr, or rather not. http://www.diversitystyleguide.com/

    • Replies: @dcite
    @Marcus

    I'll pass. If they were to drum me out of the Brownies for not capitalizing black if I don't capitalize white, or capitalizing both, then so be it.

  247. @JSM
    @Truth

    Yes having lifetime employees, and their children, that you never have to pay…how could that ever be fiscally sound?

    PPPTTTT. Lifetime employees, who are never paid, work as liiiiiiittttllle as they can get away with. And, they still need fed. They have to be provided sufficient housing not to die of exposure. They get sick. If they run off, you have to spend money on bounty hunters to get your slave, that you paid boocoo bucks for, back. All these costs come on the expense side of the Slaver's ledger.

    Nah. The fiscally sound-er idea is the evilly ingenious one of today's Neo Slave Power: import desperately poor third worlders, and pay them just a pittance, while letting the rest of the people in your society, through their tax dollars, provide for the rest of the cost of their upkeep. That way, you, Mr. Neo-Slaver, don't have to spend any money on medical doctors for your workers when they get sick. Send 'em to the County Hospital for "charity care." Heck, you don't even have to feed their kids -- the local schools do that. If your neo-slave, for which you paid ZERO dollars, runs off back to Mexico, no worries, there are a thousand more desperately poor third worlders clamoring to get into your town and come to work for you, so they can get something to eat, for ZERO cost to you. It's all PURE PROFIT! YEEHAW!

    And , as an added bonus, you get to do some moral posturing to all the "racists" in your town tired of subsidizing your cheap labor with their tax dollars, that you, Mr. Neo-Slaver, are just "helping the poor to have a better life."

    Replies: @Truth

    Now Sheila, you can do better.

    PPPTTTT. Lifetime employees, who are never paid, work as liiiiiiittttllle as they can get a way with.

    Which is governed by a lunatic yielding a cat-o-nine-tails, which, translated, means “work your god-dammed ass off 14 hours a day.

    Nah. The fiscally sound-er idea is the evilly ingenious one of today’s Neo Slave Power: import desperately poor third worlders, and pay them just a pittance,

    We don’t pay anyone a pittance, we have a minimum wage which is much higher than what most of the rest of the world makes of average.

    while letting the rest of the people in your society, through their tax dollars, provide for the rest of the cost of their upkeep.

    Well now, if I get your implication, hiring these people illegally, is against the law, which could send you TO PRISON. Slavery was legal.

  248. @Truth
    @J. Farmer


    You do realize, right, that being “exonerated in a U.S. court of law” is not the same thing as being innocent?
     
    It is the same thing as being "not guilty."

    Replies: @David In TN

    Blacks are more likely to call for innocent men to be convicted than whites ever are.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @David In TN

    Well Dave, let's see; was your post:

    A) A well reasoned pensee with attribution of your contributing influences, statistics verified by a reasonable and well-respected source,

    or

    B) More horseshit pulled from the nether-regions of your own insecurity?


    Hmmm, trying to figure this one out...

    Replies: @David In TN

  249. @D. K.
    @Truth

    You never had to pay them; you merely had to buy them or breed them. In the latter case, you had to support their being raised to the age where they could start making some work contribution. In either case, even once they were productive, you had to feed them, clothe them, shelter them, tend to their physical health, instruct them, secure them, and otherwise provide for them-- until they were injured, or simply grew too old to be productive, at which point you had to care for all of their needs, with no future return on investment. Since they never were paid, they also never could buy anything that they helped to produce; nor, as chattel property, could they be legally charged for anything that you provided for them. How, exactly, was that "free" labor to the slaveowner? How was that a superior business model to perpetually importing a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor, as was done during the Gilded Age's Great Wave of Immigration, and as is being done, again, today?

    Replies: @Truth

    In the latter case, you had to support their being raised to the age where they could start making some work contribution.

    Which was generally about 4. And there was very little support involved. Slaves built their own quarters, farmed their own plots to eat, and were given the parts of the animal the whites did not want to eat or buy. Which, by the way, are still considered “delicacies” today.

    How, exactly, was that “free” labor to the slaveowner? How was that a superior business model to perpetually importing a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor, as was done during the Gilded Age’s Great Wave of Immigration, and as is being done, again, today?

    Well, if it was, the south would have been %40 Irish, not black, now wouldn’t it have?

    I can’t continue this, your argument is pure, uncut horseshit. Why don’t you just admit that not having to give your employees money, is a good business strategy, and then you can move on to something a little more two sided, like water flowing uphill.

    Look, I really try to be a nice guy and a warm and effusive poster, but sometimes this whole “I shudda pickt mah own kottin” obtuseness is so ridiculous, it makes me wonder if that’s what you would have done because you couldn’t have found a job doing anything else. And I’m not just picking on you here, Ace.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Truth

    The retired attorney, with his B.A. in History (inter alia) and M.B.A. in Management & Organization, inter alia, is not surprised that the proud Ashanti warrior, with his three-digit SAT score and bachelor's degree in engineering from a third-rate school, fails to understand the economic arguments being made by others.

    Replies: @Truth

  250. @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    Raising cotton during the cotton bubble was extremely profitable-- because of the bubble! That does not mean that slavery was the reason for the high profits, nor that slavery was economically superior to a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor. When a slave was busy assembling a new slave for her owner, her other chores suffered-- and one or the other, or both, often died, into the bargain! Young slaves who were of little or no productive use, meanwhile, had to be tended to by other slaves, especially during infancy-- other slaves who otherwise would have been out in the fields, picking cotton!

    Replies: @Truth, @Steve Sailer

    Old Sport, even Steve gave up on you after two responses.

  251. @David In TN
    @Truth

    Blacks are more likely to call for innocent men to be convicted than whites ever are.

    Replies: @Truth

    Well Dave, let’s see; was your post:

    A) A well reasoned pensee with attribution of your contributing influences, statistics verified by a reasonable and well-respected source,

    or

    B) More horseshit pulled from the nether-regions of your own insecurity?

    Hmmm, trying to figure this one out…

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Truth

    Is your brain to feeble to recall the Duke Lacrosse Hoax?

    Replies: @Truth

  252. @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    Raising cotton during the cotton bubble was extremely profitable-- because of the bubble! That does not mean that slavery was the reason for the high profits, nor that slavery was economically superior to a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor. When a slave was busy assembling a new slave for her owner, her other chores suffered-- and one or the other, or both, often died, into the bargain! Young slaves who were of little or no productive use, meanwhile, had to be tended to by other slaves, especially during infancy-- other slaves who otherwise would have been out in the fields, picking cotton!

    Replies: @Truth, @Steve Sailer

    Obviously, slaveowners in 1861 didn’t understand their own economic interests as well as you do 155 years later.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Steve Sailer

    Only an economist, or someone else in the thrall of economists, would believe that people, whether individually or collectively, are fully rational beings, and fully grasp the long-term consequences of their actions-- or even the full array of potential options already present. Entire civilizations have disappeared because they did not act as economists assume that they would have.

  253. @Truth
    @D. K.


    In the latter case, you had to support their being raised to the age where they could start making some work contribution.
     
    Which was generally about 4. And there was very little support involved. Slaves built their own quarters, farmed their own plots to eat, and were given the parts of the animal the whites did not want to eat or buy. Which, by the way, are still considered "delicacies" today.


    How, exactly, was that “free” labor to the slaveowner? How was that a superior business model to perpetually importing a bottomless supply of cheap, disposable foreign labor, as was done during the Gilded Age’s Great Wave of Immigration, and as is being done, again, today?
     
    Well, if it was, the south would have been %40 Irish, not black, now wouldn't it have?

    I can't continue this, your argument is pure, uncut horseshit. Why don't you just admit that not having to give your employees money, is a good business strategy, and then you can move on to something a little more two sided, like water flowing uphill.

    Look, I really try to be a nice guy and a warm and effusive poster, but sometimes this whole "I shudda pickt mah own kottin" obtuseness is so ridiculous, it makes me wonder if that's what you would have done because you couldn't have found a job doing anything else. And I'm not just picking on you here, Ace.

    Replies: @D. K.

    The retired attorney, with his B.A. in History (inter alia) and M.B.A. in Management & Organization, inter alia, is not surprised that the proud Ashanti warrior, with his three-digit SAT score and bachelor’s degree in engineering from a third-rate school, fails to understand the economic arguments being made by others.

    • Replies: @Truth
    @D. K.

    The Ashanti part is right, the rest? I think it came from Tennessee Coates or someone.

  254. @Steve Sailer
    @D. K.

    Obviously, slaveowners in 1861 didn't understand their own economic interests as well as you do 155 years later.

    Replies: @D. K.

    Only an economist, or someone else in the thrall of economists, would believe that people, whether individually or collectively, are fully rational beings, and fully grasp the long-term consequences of their actions– or even the full array of potential options already present. Entire civilizations have disappeared because they did not act as economists assume that they would have.

  255. IBC says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @D. K.

    Slaves assembled new slaves for their owners.

    Owning slaves in the 1850s during the King Cotton bubble was extremely profitable.

    Replies: @D. K., @IBC

    “assembled”? American slavery apologists used to argue that a strong “natural increase” among American slaves was evidence for them enjoying better treatment than their Caribbean counterparts. There may have been some truth to that, but once the international slave trade had been outlawed, it also created a market opportunity for people like Nathan Bedford Forrest, who in the decades just before the Civil War, made a fortune buying slaves in the older parts of the South and selling them “down the river” to the burgeoning plantations of the Mississippi Delta.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @IBC

    You are not seriously suggesting, are you, that Forrest's selfish interests in slaves led him to repeatedly risk his life fighting for the South? Few Southern businessmen did that, and only a small minority of men in the South owned any slaves so there would have been no war if that had been the main motive. I suppose he fought for the same reason that men have always fought: because his country was under attack. There is no doubt that, as John Mosby said, slavery was the issue that led to the war, but it doesn't make sense to invite death for a lucrative business practice.

    Replies: @IBC

  256. @Truth
    @David In TN

    Well Dave, let's see; was your post:

    A) A well reasoned pensee with attribution of your contributing influences, statistics verified by a reasonable and well-respected source,

    or

    B) More horseshit pulled from the nether-regions of your own insecurity?


    Hmmm, trying to figure this one out...

    Replies: @David In TN

    Is your brain to feeble to recall the Duke Lacrosse Hoax?

    • Replies: @Truth
    @David In TN

    I forgot about that one...A chick lying about being raped right?

    Unprecedented in American history.

    Replies: @David In TN

  257. @Marcus
    @dcite

    Maybe she learned from this? We'd have to check out her Tumblr, or rather not. http://www.diversitystyleguide.com/

    Replies: @dcite

    I’ll pass. If they were to drum me out of the Brownies for not capitalizing black if I don’t capitalize white, or capitalizing both, then so be it.

  258. Yes, they are low-imagination, professional, illuminatti gaslighters, who’s job it is to cause tension, and you are fools.

    Yes, if you’ve been looking for the one place on the interwebz that is full up of dupes for the regime, you’ve surely found it. Kudos on the perspicacity.

    Just don’t bring a knife to a gunfight!

    Still far better than nothing. Odds turn in your favor if attacker feels the need to get within arm’s reach.

    This is from their books. Lou Brown seems to have gone beyond what you call a “POS.”

    Women like Nicole tend to have “daddy issues.” Hence the flight away from what should be their male role models.

    Yes, so are an axe and a saw, but It’s hard as help to chop down a tree without them.

    Great analogy, given how agriculture ground to a halt after emancipation.

    Slaves were worth a fortune in the South in the 1850s. Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

    Which didn’t go anywhere, because when you buy something, you’re supposed to take delivery.

    Obviously, slaveowners in 1861 didn’t understand their own economic interests as well as you do 155 years later.

    This logic governs the entirety of “respectable” thought about Nazi Germany.

    Blacks were far better suited to the subtropical climate of the American southeast. That’s the main reason they were used for commercial agriculture there. Slavery was probably the only practical way to get them there in the numbers required.

  259. If slavery is such a wonderful economic prospect, then it should be as wonderful a prospect in New England, the Great Plains, the Mountain West, the Pacific Northwest, etc., as it is in the Southeast. Strangely, it wasn’t.

    Now, the climate, the threat of disease – these things vary wildly between the regions.

    • Agree: Marcus
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    Without the slave trade bringing warm weather-adapted Africans, places like Alabama and Mississippi wouldn't have been heavily populated until things like electric fans, sewer systems, and refrigerators came along to make the climate more survivable by white people, just as Florida south of the Panhandle was pretty much empty until electricity came along (e.g., Miami didn't exist until 1896.) America did fine without getting much use out of Florida until the 20th Century, and would have done fine with Alabama and Mississippi being largely unsettled until the late 19th Century.

    Replies: @Marcus

    , @D. K.
    @Svigor

    Yes, and if slavery per se were the economic marvel that many believe it to be, other populations were available to serve the same role, elsewhere in the continental United States-- such as the local Amerindian indigenes, who were widely enslaved by the Spanish and Portuguese, in Latin America. There was no shortage of Europeans, who were being used essentially as "temporary" slaves, under indentured servitude, in the American north.

  260. @Svigor
    If slavery is such a wonderful economic prospect, then it should be as wonderful a prospect in New England, the Great Plains, the Mountain West, the Pacific Northwest, etc., as it is in the Southeast. Strangely, it wasn't.

    Now, the climate, the threat of disease - these things vary wildly between the regions.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @D. K.

    Without the slave trade bringing warm weather-adapted Africans, places like Alabama and Mississippi wouldn’t have been heavily populated until things like electric fans, sewer systems, and refrigerators came along to make the climate more survivable by white people, just as Florida south of the Panhandle was pretty much empty until electricity came along (e.g., Miami didn’t exist until 1896.) America did fine without getting much use out of Florida until the 20th Century, and would have done fine with Alabama and Mississippi being largely unsettled until the late 19th Century.

    • Replies: @Marcus
    @Steve Sailer

    Southrons were the driving force behind Manifest Destiny though, New England often opposed expansion.

  261. Sean says:
    @IBC
    @Steve Sailer

    "assembled"? American slavery apologists used to argue that a strong "natural increase" among American slaves was evidence for them enjoying better treatment than their Caribbean counterparts. There may have been some truth to that, but once the international slave trade had been outlawed, it also created a market opportunity for people like Nathan Bedford Forrest, who in the decades just before the Civil War, made a fortune buying slaves in the older parts of the South and selling them "down the river" to the burgeoning plantations of the Mississippi Delta.

    Replies: @Sean

    You are not seriously suggesting, are you, that Forrest’s selfish interests in slaves led him to repeatedly risk his life fighting for the South? Few Southern businessmen did that, and only a small minority of men in the South owned any slaves so there would have been no war if that had been the main motive. I suppose he fought for the same reason that men have always fought: because his country was under attack. There is no doubt that, as John Mosby said, slavery was the issue that led to the war, but it doesn’t make sense to invite death for a lucrative business practice.

    • Replies: @IBC
    @Sean

    I was questioning Steve's choice of euphemisms but also supporting what he said about the profitability of slavery before the Civil War. You're right that southerners had a variety of personal reasons for fighting, but defending Nathan Bedford Forrest is a true "lost cause." Actually, I only mentioned him because he's well known and I happened to know that he made a lot of money in the internal US slave trade during that time period. Whatever his motives for fighting were, it doesn't sound like he was the sort of person who would have missed an opportunity to draw his saber. The rough-and-ready have no need to rationalize their decisions --except maybe to a judge.

  262. @Steve Sailer
    @Svigor

    Without the slave trade bringing warm weather-adapted Africans, places like Alabama and Mississippi wouldn't have been heavily populated until things like electric fans, sewer systems, and refrigerators came along to make the climate more survivable by white people, just as Florida south of the Panhandle was pretty much empty until electricity came along (e.g., Miami didn't exist until 1896.) America did fine without getting much use out of Florida until the 20th Century, and would have done fine with Alabama and Mississippi being largely unsettled until the late 19th Century.

    Replies: @Marcus

    Southrons were the driving force behind Manifest Destiny though, New England often opposed expansion.

  263. America did fine without getting much use out of Florida until the 20th Century, and would have done fine with Alabama and Mississippi being largely unsettled until the late 19th Century.

    Also true.

  264. @Svigor
    If slavery is such a wonderful economic prospect, then it should be as wonderful a prospect in New England, the Great Plains, the Mountain West, the Pacific Northwest, etc., as it is in the Southeast. Strangely, it wasn't.

    Now, the climate, the threat of disease - these things vary wildly between the regions.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @D. K.

    Yes, and if slavery per se were the economic marvel that many believe it to be, other populations were available to serve the same role, elsewhere in the continental United States– such as the local Amerindian indigenes, who were widely enslaved by the Spanish and Portuguese, in Latin America. There was no shortage of Europeans, who were being used essentially as “temporary” slaves, under indentured servitude, in the American north.

  265. NPR quoted a Balmer black in the wake of the Gray verdict. He said he wasn’t surprised, said something about the legacy of genocide and slavery. “Genocide” is a real laugh in the context of blacks in the history of the USA. From a few hundred thousand slaves, we got tens of millions (40m?) blacks today.

    Some genocide. Not sure he really gets the concept. If genocide was their aim, the Americans could have learned a lot from the Hutus.

  266. IBC says:
    @Sean
    @IBC

    You are not seriously suggesting, are you, that Forrest's selfish interests in slaves led him to repeatedly risk his life fighting for the South? Few Southern businessmen did that, and only a small minority of men in the South owned any slaves so there would have been no war if that had been the main motive. I suppose he fought for the same reason that men have always fought: because his country was under attack. There is no doubt that, as John Mosby said, slavery was the issue that led to the war, but it doesn't make sense to invite death for a lucrative business practice.

    Replies: @IBC

    I was questioning Steve’s choice of euphemisms but also supporting what he said about the profitability of slavery before the Civil War. You’re right that southerners had a variety of personal reasons for fighting, but defending Nathan Bedford Forrest is a true “lost cause.” Actually, I only mentioned him because he’s well known and I happened to know that he made a lot of money in the internal US slave trade during that time period. Whatever his motives for fighting were, it doesn’t sound like he was the sort of person who would have missed an opportunity to draw his saber. The rough-and-ready have no need to rationalize their decisions –except maybe to a judge.

  267. @Steve Sailer
    @bomag

    Slaves were worth a fortune in the South in the 1850s. Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

    Replies: @D. K., @Hippopotamusdrome, @bomag

    Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

    What was he planning on doing with so many slaves, build a pyramid?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Cf.: "Get them welfare people to work filling in the Bering Strait and charge them Indians a buck a head to go home. It's a good sound business solution." --George Carlin (1972)

  268. @Hippopotamusdrome
    @Steve Sailer



    Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

     

    What was he planning on doing with so many slaves, build a pyramid?

    Replies: @D. K.

    Cf.: “Get them welfare people to work filling in the Bering Strait and charge them Indians a buck a head to go home. It’s a good sound business solution.” –George Carlin (1972)

  269. @Steve Sailer
    @bomag

    Slaves were worth a fortune in the South in the 1850s. Ralph Waldo Emerson proposed a $2 billion buyout of slaveowners.

    Replies: @D. K., @Hippopotamusdrome, @bomag

    At those prices, they were not an economic unit. They couldn’t earn their owner enough to pay off the list price.

    Kind of like farmland today. Or new John Deere combines.

  270. @D. K.
    @Truth

    The retired attorney, with his B.A. in History (inter alia) and M.B.A. in Management & Organization, inter alia, is not surprised that the proud Ashanti warrior, with his three-digit SAT score and bachelor's degree in engineering from a third-rate school, fails to understand the economic arguments being made by others.

    Replies: @Truth

    The Ashanti part is right, the rest? I think it came from Tennessee Coates or someone.

  271. @David In TN
    @Truth

    Is your brain to feeble to recall the Duke Lacrosse Hoax?

    Replies: @Truth

    I forgot about that one…A chick lying about being raped right?

    Unprecedented in American history.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Truth

    And the "Community" unanimously demanded the obviously innocent accused (No DNA) be convicted.

  272. @Truth
    @David In TN

    I forgot about that one...A chick lying about being raped right?

    Unprecedented in American history.

    Replies: @David In TN

    And the “Community” unanimously demanded the obviously innocent accused (No DNA) be convicted.

  273. @Whiskey
    Whites were not particularly fond of Blacks until recently. Lincoln had highly negative things to say about Blacks, perhaps Blacks trying to kill him as a young man floating logs down to Baton Rouge had something to do with that. Dashiell Hammett is in bad odor with SJW because his stories portray Blacks negatively (criminal, stupid, low time orientation). The somewhat later and more upscale Rex Stout books have Blacks portrayed positively, though still subservient and lower IQ.

    I think the shift came in during WWII, when Blacks were needed as laborers and Dems needed their votes as servicemen were overseas fighting. But the inflection point was probably pro sports, not Jackie Robinson but likely the 1960s with Professional and College Football players. "Paul Kersey" at StuffBlackPeopleDontLike.com makes the point that college and pro sports are the true opiate of the people, and positive views of Blacks correlates highly with their dominance, near total, of college football and pro football.

    This is somewhat of an accident, baseball was never committed as pro football was to nationally televised games on a regular basis; and college football also filled the need for programming by the networks while other sports fell by the wayside (like Boxing). College and Pro Football fed a fantasy of a "respectable" Black athletic hero who was tougher/faster/stronger than White players but just as Middle Class White in behavior and attitude.

    I think this aspect is dying, rapidly:

    1. Increased integration for all but the higher income SJW/SWPL elites means more thug street Blacks in real life to offset TV fantasy Blacks.
    2. Whites turning off from TV mainline sports that cost as incomes decline in favor of free/low cost online stuff like racing, extreme sports, etc. ESPN has seen declines in viewership/carriage fees strong enough to push Disney stock down despite a new Star Wars movie and Marvel movie.
    3. Competition for the scarcest of resources, attractive young women. Nothing can turn a young White man into hate like losing a girl to a Black man. That's just human nature. Humans are genetically hard wired that way.

    This last is key. I've seen more and more mulatto babies with White mothers, Black father half around, half not. With the obesity epidemic hitting White women too, just not as hard as Black women, and Black women being both generally unattractive, and the very few who are preferring violent Thug Black men and being also unavailable save to a few celebrities like Robert DeNiro or the late David Bowie, the sexual competition aspect is IMHO a main but poorly recognized or understood driver of White American (men anway) not really having favorable opinions of Blacks.

    Loot at Television. That's a female/gay ghetto, though the drive for mass in reaction to carefully quantified demos via online advertising is changing things (the new Nancy Drew reboot starring Sarah Shahi was dumped after pilot because it "skewed too female"). But for now it remains startlingly female (around 85% of sitcom audiences are female IIRC). The sexy Black love interest for the White woman remains an audience staple. One bound to offend White male potential viewers; and cord-cutting (no more lucrative carriage fees -- in 2013 CBS got half its revenues from carriage fees), online competition mean the 1980s Brandon Tartikoff NBC strategy of fewer viewers but more upscale income won't work. Not the least of which real disposable income is declining for almost all but the top few percent.

    The future of Black/White approval is likely to be White women, gays, upscale elites in elite zip codes, highly approving of Blacks and desiring approval backwards, and most White men having little to no interest to outright hostility over women moderated by ever eroding social control of angry professional White women and increasingly effette and inept elites.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @PV van der Byl

    I think you are, at least, about right with respect to the timing of the change in white American attitudes towards blacks. If I had to date the inflection point, I would pick June 22, 1938, when Joe Louis knocked out Max Schmeling in the first round (Louis having lost their first fight in 1936).

  274. I think it came from Tennessee Coates or someone.

    Glad to finally see somebody else using this one!

  275. @Brutusale
    @CJ

    I know Da Bruthas live in the moment, but any rich guy marrying a middle-class woman half his age really should consider the worst-case scenario that could occur when the marriage ends. This applies even more so to an interracial marriage.

    Replies: @Michelle

    I read an account, probably from ESPN, I disremember now, that stated that many Black athletes (especially basketball players who had contracts in Europe) married European women, who were often former athletes themselves, and that the marriages were often matches made in hell. The European wives would try to (re)make the Black athletes lives, emphasizing, “Healthy, eating and living”, thus dissing the beloved mothers of the Black athletes, who often cooked the favorite “bad for you” foods that the Black athletes loved.

    Jesus H. Christ, what is the point of being an athlete if you can’t eat what you want? You gotta die of something, right?

    White people cannot stop trying to “uplift” the non-white. It is a curse. Europeans have been trying to remake everyone into their image for centuries. Screw them!

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