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Remember how I’ve been pointing out for years that the New York Times news section often buries the most interesting facts in the second half of an article? Well, today’s Russian spy story doesn’t even mention the most interesting aspect of this story:

Army Doctor and Spouse Plotted to Give Russia Medical Records, U.S. Says

Dr. Jamie Lee Henry, an internist at Fort Bragg, and Dr. Anna Gabrielian gave confidential medical records to an undercover F.B.I. agent who posed as a Russian agent, prosecutors said.

By Michael Levenson
Sept. 29, 2022, 5:42 p.m. ET

A Maryland doctor and her spouse, a U.S. Army doctor, were arrested on Thursday and charged with plotting to give the Russian government medical records of members of the American military, believing that the information could be exploited by the Kremlin, federal prosecutors said.

The couple, Dr. Anna Gabrielian, a Baltimore anesthesiologist, and Dr. Jamie Lee Henry, an Army major and staff internist at Fort Bragg, were indicted after they met several times with an undercover F.B.I. agent who they believed was working for the Russian Embassy, prosecutors said.

At a hotel in Baltimore on Aug. 17, Dr. Gabrielian told the agent she was “motivated by patriotism toward Russia to provide any assistance she could to Russia, even if it meant being fired or going to jail,” the indictment stated.

Dr. Henry told the agent that, “My point of view is until the United States actually declares war against Russia, I’m able to help as much as I want. At that point, I’ll have some ethical issues I have to work through,” the indictment stated. …

A week later, at a hotel in Gaithersburg, Md., Dr. Gabrielian gave the agent medical information on the spouse of an employee of the Office of Naval Intelligence, and highlighted an issue in the records that “Russia could exploit,” as well as the medical records of an Air Force veteran, the indictment stated.

Dr. Henry gave the agent the medical records of at least five patients at Fort Bragg, including a retired Army officer, a Defense Department employee and the spouse of an Army veteran, the indictment stated. …

An Army spokesman referred questions about the case to the Justice Department, but confirmed that Dr. Henry entered active duty service in May 2007, is currently assigned to Fort Bragg as a staff internist and has no combat deployments.

During the Aug. 17 meeting at the Baltimore hotel, Dr. Henry told the agent that he looked into joining the Russian Army after Russia invaded Ukraine in February, but Russia wanted people with “combat experience” and he did not have any, the indictment stated. [Bold added by me.]

This is the first use of a pronoun for Dr. Henry.

And that’s more or less it for the article which dribbles on a little longer without mentioning that Dr. Henry has been a public figure for seven years, much less why.

And here’s the only photo illustrating the NYT article, a stock footage shot of something or other at Fort Bragg:

In contrast, from the Daily Mail:

REVEALED: Johns Hopkin doctor told her trans Army officer wife to stop being a ‘coward’ and to ‘work through’ her ‘ethical issues’ to hand over medical information on senior military officers to Russians, indictment shows

Major Jamie Lee Henry, the Army’s first trans officer, and Dr. Anna Gabrielian were indicted for trying to give secret records to the Russian government …

By RONNY REYES FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 11:54 EDT, 29 September 2022 | UPDATED: 15:58 EDT, 29 September 2022

And here’s one of the Daily Mail’s photos of the pathbreaking Dr. Henry.

Unlike the New York Times, the Daily Mail uses “her” as Dr. Henry’s pronoun. Isn’t that a no-no at the NYT? But I guess being transphobic with pronouns is better than disturbing the serene worldview of NYT subscribers by informing them that one of these alleged traitors for Russia is a sacred transwoman.

It’s not that Dr. Henry’s story was unknown to the press. From Buzzfeed seven years ago:

The First Out Transgender Active-Duty U.S. Army Officer: “My Story Is Not Unique”
Last month, the Army granted the request of Jamie Lee Henry, a military doctor, to officially change her name and gender. “People say, ‘Is this a choice?’ The choice is being healthy or sick. I can continue living a sick life, or I can live a healthy life.”

Chris Geidner
BuzzFeed News Reporter

Posted on June 8, 2015 at 7:47 pm

 
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  1. You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • LOL: AndrewR
    • Replies: @puttheforkdown
    @epebble

    Putin's war? More like Putin's heroic adventure for freedom against NATO. You should edit your comment to appropriately reflect the situation in the horribly corrupt, color revolution'd "country" of Ukraine. Thank you.

    , @Anonymous
    @epebble


    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.
     
    Steve deserves flak at least for not referring to the charges as “alleged.” A careful journalist would, and Steve is usually careful with facts.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @AndrewR

    , @Zelo
    @epebble

    Well to be fair, shouldn't there be something like, you know, a trial before announcing someone is a traitor?

    That's for a court to determine.

    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?

    Replies: @Gordo, @Dr. X

    , @AnotherDad
    @epebble


    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.
     
    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn't sound the least bit "American" to me. American's should be nationalist and respect other people's right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it's wise.

    But in any case, that isn't the issue.

    The issue is he it is handing a foreign power confidential information on American military personnel. It shouldn't be handing that to Russia, Ukraine, China, Israel, Germany, Australia, France ... even our Canadian neighbors.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR

    , @PhysicistDave
    @epebble

    epebble wrote:


    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.
     
    No, a good America should want peace.

    But any honest person -- which of course you are not -- should also admit the well-known fact that this war started in 2014 when the puppet regime installed by the US Deep State in Kiev started murdering people in the Donbass who chose not to join in the putsch.

    It's not Mr. Putin's war -- it's Mr. Obama's (Ms. Nuland's, et. al.'s) war.

    Mr. Putin is only the relief pitcher who is going to finish the game (to be sure, at great cost to Russia, though Russia will of course win in the end).

    As for the spies, I'd recommend simply extraditing them to Russia... except I doubt that Russia wants anyone this stupid!

    The killing must stop.
    , @JimDandy
    @epebble

    A good American should want what's best for Americans.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @JimDandy
    @epebble

    A good American should be absolutely aghast at this kind of rhetoric (from Putin's latest speech):

    "They're crazy. I want to speak to all Russian citizens, do we want to replace mum and dad with parent 1 and 2? They invented genders and claim you can 'transition'. Do we want this for our children?

    We have a different vision.

    They have abandoned religion and embraced Satanism.
    The world is going through a revolutionary transformation. A multipolar world offers nations freedom to develop as they wish and they make up the majority of the world."

    Replies: @HA

  2. A) When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them military service?

    B) Can we at least hang one of these traitors? We’ve gone through a passel of them–Ames, Howard, Walker, Hanssen, Pollard. And there’s some Chinese traitors I can’t even remember. What the hell happened to “get a rope”.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them military service?
     
    Where have you been for the last ten years?


    https://i.ibb.co/2Wtvh6V/FXy-Y5-Ni-VQAIHHj-X.jpg


    The funny thing about this story is that having people like Henry in the military does infinitely more damage to the US than giving any secrets to Russia, short of the nuclear codes.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Ralph L
    @AnotherDad

    That Adam's apple might break the rope.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @AnotherDad


    A) When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them [from] military service?
     
    It depends on the disability. The military is the perfect place for autistic nerds and violent psychopaths. Hysterical trannies, not so much.
    , @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote:


    A) When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them military service?
     
    I actually worked with a guy who was sentenced to five years in federal prison for trying to be a Soviet spy.

    With emphasis on the word "trying."

    A lot of us who worked with Davies thought that Al should have been let off on grounds of terminal stupidity: as the LA Times article notes, Al had been given an "administrative discharge" by the Air Force -- i.e.., he was not able to handle being in the Air Force: what we all heard was that trying to spy for the Soviets was Al's way of trying to get back at the Air Force.

    The article also notes that Al "did not have a top secret security clearance."

    No, because Al was too damn stupid to have access to anything important: all he could be trusted to do was low-level tech work.

    A nice enough fellow though, if rather on the slow side.

    They just don't make spies like they used to back at the height of the Cold War!

    Replies: @Anon

    , @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    I don't quite see how either of them are traitors. The Armenian wife seems to be a Soviet patriot.

    , @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    Pollard? You mean the guy now living in Israel on a Mossad pension?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  3. @AnotherDad
    A) When someone announces--and demonstrates--they are mentally ill, shouldn't that disqualify them military service?

    B) Can we at least hang one of these traitors? We've gone through a passel of them--Ames, Howard, Walker, Hanssen, Pollard. And there's some Chinese traitors I can't even remember. What the hell happened to "get a rope".

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Ralph L, @Hypnotoad666, @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them military service?

    Where have you been for the last ten years?

    The funny thing about this story is that having people like Henry in the military does infinitely more damage to the US than giving any secrets to Russia, short of the nuclear codes.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Rob McX


    Where have you been for the last ten years?
     
    I feel like this has been all a bad dream and I am going to wake up any moment now.

    The country has gone insane.

    I feel like this dog now:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/QDUWNICACQI63DDOSODL27GYEY.jpg


    The crowd, and a tired dog, at a center for internally displaced people in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine, on Sept. 28. (Wojciech Grzedzinski for The Washington Post)
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

  4. @AnotherDad
    A) When someone announces--and demonstrates--they are mentally ill, shouldn't that disqualify them military service?

    B) Can we at least hang one of these traitors? We've gone through a passel of them--Ames, Howard, Walker, Hanssen, Pollard. And there's some Chinese traitors I can't even remember. What the hell happened to "get a rope".

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Ralph L, @Hypnotoad666, @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    That Adam’s apple might break the rope.

  5. @epebble
    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin's war.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Zelo, @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy, @JimDandy

    Putin’s war? More like Putin’s heroic adventure for freedom against NATO. You should edit your comment to appropriately reflect the situation in the horribly corrupt, color revolution’d “country” of Ukraine. Thank you.

  6. Based on that adam’s apple, I am assuming he went from man to woman.

    Just like that other famous traitor, Bradley/Chelsea Manning.

  7. I saw this and was shocked . . . but not really.

    Trans are mentally ill, and to have them in my Army is akin to giving up.

  8. Jamie Lee Henry = He jam eyeliner.

    Anna Gabrielian = An alien bargain.

    “Jamie” is even less trustworthy a name than “Rick”. As for Dr Anna, since when are Armenians patriotic toward Russia?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Since the Russians are the only thing keeping Azerbaijan from conquering Armenia?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Fluesterwitz
    @Reg Cæsar

    Since before WW1.

  9. @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them military service?
     
    Where have you been for the last ten years?


    https://i.ibb.co/2Wtvh6V/FXy-Y5-Ni-VQAIHHj-X.jpg


    The funny thing about this story is that having people like Henry in the military does infinitely more damage to the US than giving any secrets to Russia, short of the nuclear codes.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Where have you been for the last ten years?

    I feel like this has been all a bad dream and I am going to wake up any moment now.

    The country has gone insane.

    I feel like this dog now:

    The crowd, and a tired dog, at a center for internally displaced people in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine, on Sept. 28. (Wojciech Grzedzinski for The Washington Post)

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    I felt like this after Biden stole the election. Now there is reason for hope.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  10. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:

    At a hotel in Baltimore on Aug. 17, Dr. Gabrielian told the agent she was “motivated by patriotism toward Russia to provide any assistance she could to Russia, even if it meant being fired or going to jail,” the indictment stated.

    The bigger coverup in the reporting is the downplaying, or outright omission, of Gabrielian’s national origin and the immigration status of her or her parents.

    The sacred cow in the Globalist American Empire is not LGBTQ but massive immigration.

  11. Given what we know of the competence of the FBI, and Russia’s attitude towards transgenderism, I wonder if the Russian embassy tipped off the FBI about this couple.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Dave Pinsen

    Perhaps you jest, but it's entirely possible.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

  12. Anonymous[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @epebble
    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin's war.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Zelo, @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy, @JimDandy

    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.

    Steve deserves flak at least for not referring to the charges as “alleged.” A careful journalist would, and Steve is usually careful with facts.

    • Thanks: Zelo
    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
    @Anonymous

    If Steve was a careful journalist, he'd still be writing for UPI.

    , @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    The alleged woman allegedly leaked secret info to the Russians

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Bill Jones

  13. @epebble
    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin's war.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Zelo, @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy, @JimDandy

    Well to be fair, shouldn’t there be something like, you know, a trial before announcing someone is a traitor?

    That’s for a court to determine.

    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Gordo
    @Zelo


    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?
     
    Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

    John Harington
    , @Dr. X
    @Zelo


    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?
     
    Well, they do have Hunter Biden's laptop... don't they?
  14. @epebble
    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin's war.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Zelo, @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy, @JimDandy

    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.

    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn’t sound the least bit “American” to me. American’s should be nationalist and respect other people’s right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it’s wise.

    But in any case, that isn’t the issue.

    The issue is he it is handing a foreign power confidential information on American military personnel. It shouldn’t be handing that to Russia, Ukraine, China, Israel, Germany, Australia, France … even our Canadian neighbors.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to epebble:


    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn’t sound the least bit “American” to me. American’s should be nationalist and respect other people’s right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it’s wise
     
    Well, wouldn't that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual "bullying state"?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @AnotherDad, @HA

    , @AndrewR
    @AnotherDad

    I guess you've never heard of the US civil war.

    It's natural for Ukrainians to want to be independent from Russia.

    Of coyrse, this "independence" is not independence at all. They're merely courting a new masters in order to spite their old ones who, from a "nationalist" perspective, have every right to not want Ukraine to become a puppet state of the Anglos which will be used as a launching pad to divide and subjugate Russia.

    Your myopic understanding of nationalism in this case only serves to aid and abet the Anglos who are controlled by Russophobic Jews who are happy to risk nuclear war in order to thwart Russian nationalism.

  15. All I know is seeing this photo of Woman with Adams Apple made me laugh, although not as much as I laughed at the news of the Venezuelans sent to Martha’s Vineyard to call people on their sanctimonious sanctuary city sign and other immigration baloney when they don’t want any themselves who are not employees they can exploit. This is was such a brilliant political and comedy move, they should get whoever thought of it to write for Saturday Night Live. [And it is so unfair that whoever came up with the idea has not been given public credit and praise for it.]

    What does stump me is how the Russians would use this information. Is it to threaten the people they get medical information about to make them give them actually useful information?

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @notsaying


    This is was such a brilliant political and comedy move, they should get whoever thought of it to write for Saturday Night Live. [And it is so unfair that whoever came up with the idea has not been given public credit and praise for it.]
     
    Trump proposed the idea in 2019 but (typically), didn't actually follow through with it. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/12/trump-undocumented-immigrants-sanctuary-cities-1272745

    Replies: @notsaying

  16. Anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:

    Well, today’s Russian spy story doesn’t even mention the most interesting aspect of this story:

    It is in service of a noble cause, in effect if not in intent.

    Transism is helping to end segregation by sex in sports and other pursuits and thereby will give the lie to gender equalism. Among the naive, it raises awareness of human biodiversity and sex differences. Among the genocidal anti-Whites, it forces contention with natural facts and upsets one of their tactics.

    Help women to cheer and admire men again.

  17. In the London Telegraph, the headline for this story is:

    First trans US officer plotted to leak medical records to Russians

    With a photo of this oddball fellow dressed up as a woman. That is the true story.

    The New York Times is lying to the American public on this story, for political purposes. Only by omission, but still. It has been a shameful decline for the NY Times which in the past wasn’t full of lies done for political purposes.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/29/former-us-army-major-doctor-wife-charged-plotting-leak-medical/

    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Peter Johnson

    It has been a shameful decline for the NY Times which in the past wasn’t full of lies done for political purposes.

    Indeed, that's why the late Walter Duranty won that richly deserved Pulitzer .

    , @AndrewR
    @Peter Johnson

    I doubt that trans people are unusually likely to pass secret info to foreign governments. This guy's Armenian wife seems to be the main reason for it.

    Having said this, the fact that this guy had already became famous for being the first trans person in the army is a notable fact in and of itself.

  18. During the Aug. 17 meeting at the Baltimore hotel, Dr. Henry told the agent that he looked into joining the Russian Army after Russia invaded Ukraine in February, but Russia wanted people with “combat experience” and he did not have any, the indictment stated.

    Decades ago, in my scholastic/collegiate crowd there was a consensus that the most macho, historic, electrifying, ballsy thing any of us could do was to throw it all over, walk out the door and join the French Foreign Legion. Absolutely. LEAVE EVERYTHING. Nothing else would have come anyways close. Today, 2022, the most ballsy thing one can do is volunteer on the Russian front as an enlistee in Putin’s Cossacks. And no, enlisting in the GloboHomo Ukranian crusade is not even close. Not even close. So, I salute Maj. Dr. Jamie Henry for not letting her girliness get in her way and keep her down. Bravo madam. Would it be that there were more like you. Beau geste.

  19. There was a CNN story about these people on my phone’s scroll. I brought up it up and was confronted with a man and a woman with what looks like a government agent when I expected to see two women.

    So if you want to see the male version of this trans woman, you can.

    I realize now after rereading the CNN story that they do not mention he is trans. They use the normal pronouns.

    Hmmm.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/29/politics/us-army-doctor-anesthesiologist-russian-government-medical-records/index.html

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @notsaying

    Silver lining: maybe the FBI will get in trouble.

    , @Nachum
    @notsaying

    Pretty clear from that photo that he hasn't had any real work done.

  20. @AnotherDad
    A) When someone announces--and demonstrates--they are mentally ill, shouldn't that disqualify them military service?

    B) Can we at least hang one of these traitors? We've gone through a passel of them--Ames, Howard, Walker, Hanssen, Pollard. And there's some Chinese traitors I can't even remember. What the hell happened to "get a rope".

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Ralph L, @Hypnotoad666, @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    A) When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them [from] military service?

    It depends on the disability. The military is the perfect place for autistic nerds and violent psychopaths. Hysterical trannies, not so much.

  21. @notsaying
    All I know is seeing this photo of Woman with Adams Apple made me laugh, although not as much as I laughed at the news of the Venezuelans sent to Martha's Vineyard to call people on their sanctimonious sanctuary city sign and other immigration baloney when they don't want any themselves who are not employees they can exploit. This is was such a brilliant political and comedy move, they should get whoever thought of it to write for Saturday Night Live. [And it is so unfair that whoever came up with the idea has not been given public credit and praise for it.]

    What does stump me is how the Russians would use this information. Is it to threaten the people they get medical information about to make them give them actually useful information?

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    This is was such a brilliant political and comedy move, they should get whoever thought of it to write for Saturday Night Live. [And it is so unfair that whoever came up with the idea has not been given public credit and praise for it.]

    Trump proposed the idea in 2019 but (typically), didn’t actually follow through with it. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/12/trump-undocumented-immigrants-sanctuary-cities-1272745

    • Replies: @notsaying
    @Hypnotoad666

    Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

    I would still tend to think a staff member came up with it during Trump's time too, but he certainly has a mind that runs unrestrained and sometimes ends up in absurd places. He may have thought of this himself. Him saying he can declassify government documents with his mind is an example of him going where no one else would even think of going.

    He is in a mental world of his own making, I think. I do not know if he or the world realize how much he is in another place, not with the rest of us.

  22. This is why trannies were always considered a security risk. Because they are mentally unstable

    Just like Bradley Manning.

    But now, whatever. Anything goes.

    • Replies: @Nachum
    @Deadite

    Not disagreeing with the unstable point, but I think the blackmail thing was more an impetus for all sorts of queers (gay, trans, whatever).

  23. @epebble
    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin's war.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Zelo, @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy, @JimDandy

    epebble wrote:

    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.

    No, a good America should want peace.

    But any honest person — which of course you are not — should also admit the well-known fact that this war started in 2014 when the puppet regime installed by the US Deep State in Kiev started murdering people in the Donbass who chose not to join in the putsch.

    It’s not Mr. Putin’s war — it’s Mr. Obama’s (Ms. Nuland’s, et. al.’s) war.

    Mr. Putin is only the relief pitcher who is going to finish the game (to be sure, at great cost to Russia, though Russia will of course win in the end).

    As for the spies, I’d recommend simply extraditing them to Russia… except I doubt that Russia wants anyone this stupid!

    The killing must stop.

  24. @Peter Johnson
    In the London Telegraph, the headline for this story is:

    First trans US officer plotted to leak medical records to Russians

    With a photo of this oddball fellow dressed up as a woman. That is the true story.

    The New York Times is lying to the American public on this story, for political purposes. Only by omission, but still. It has been a shameful decline for the NY Times which in the past wasn't full of lies done for political purposes.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/29/former-us-army-major-doctor-wife-charged-plotting-leak-medical/

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @AndrewR

    It has been a shameful decline for the NY Times which in the past wasn’t full of lies done for political purposes.

    Indeed, that’s why the late Walter Duranty won that richly deserved Pulitzer .

  25. The whole story seems completely fake and ridiculous, not to mention gay. What information did they give to the Russians, which hormone is best for a quick “gender transition”? Ah but now I see that they didn’t even ever contact any actual Russian, just some FBI agent posing as “Russian.” LOL.

    Look, the whole thing is probably an invention. The quotes are out of some bad B-movie, and don’t make any sense. “Patriotism for Russia”? But no one here is Russian. Gabrielian sounds at most Armenian.

    But I agree it’s disturbing that there are so many transgenders in so many American institutions and even in the Army. That’s worse than any secret they could have given out.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  26. @Anonymous
    @epebble


    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.
     
    Steve deserves flak at least for not referring to the charges as “alleged.” A careful journalist would, and Steve is usually careful with facts.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @AndrewR

    If Steve was a careful journalist, he’d still be writing for UPI.

  27. @Dave Pinsen
    Given what we know of the competence of the FBI, and Russia's attitude towards transgenderism, I wonder if the Russian embassy tipped off the FBI about this couple.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat

    Perhaps you jest, but it’s entirely possible.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Henry's Cat

    I'm not even jesting. I imagine it would be harder to get caught by the FBI if you were actually working with the Russians, because the Russians would inculcate some operational security in you (e.g., "Your contact is going to be Yuri here. If anyone else contacts you, assume they're working for the FBI and say nothing.").

  28. @AnotherDad
    A) When someone announces--and demonstrates--they are mentally ill, shouldn't that disqualify them military service?

    B) Can we at least hang one of these traitors? We've gone through a passel of them--Ames, Howard, Walker, Hanssen, Pollard. And there's some Chinese traitors I can't even remember. What the hell happened to "get a rope".

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Ralph L, @Hypnotoad666, @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    AnotherDad wrote:

    A) When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them military service?

    I actually worked with a guy who was sentenced to five years in federal prison for trying to be a Soviet spy.

    With emphasis on the word “trying.”

    A lot of us who worked with Davies thought that Al should have been let off on grounds of terminal stupidity: as the LA Times article notes, Al had been given an “administrative discharge” by the Air Force — i.e.., he was not able to handle being in the Air Force: what we all heard was that trying to spy for the Soviets was Al’s way of trying to get back at the Air Force.

    The article also notes that Al “did not have a top secret security clearance.”

    No, because Al was too damn stupid to have access to anything important: all he could be trusted to do was low-level tech work.

    A nice enough fellow though, if rather on the slow side.

    They just don’t make spies like they used to back at the height of the Cold War!

    • Replies: @Anon
    @PhysicistDave

    Jonathan Pollard didn't seem repentant at all after his pardon.

  29. @AnotherDad
    @epebble


    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.
     
    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn't sound the least bit "American" to me. American's should be nationalist and respect other people's right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it's wise.

    But in any case, that isn't the issue.

    The issue is he it is handing a foreign power confidential information on American military personnel. It shouldn't be handing that to Russia, Ukraine, China, Israel, Germany, Australia, France ... even our Canadian neighbors.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR

    AnotherDad wrote to epebble:

    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn’t sound the least bit “American” to me. American’s should be nationalist and respect other people’s right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it’s wise

    Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual “bullying state”?

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    Russia is.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @PhysicistDave

    , @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave


    Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?
     
    Dave, you're drunk your Putin-Aid and are happy with it, so there is not much point in engaging.

    But just for the record:

    -- There was no 2014 "putsch".
    You're acting like Viktor Yanukovych is the only legitimate elected official. Yanukovych--widely viewed as corrupt--repeatedly promised to, but then refused to sign (Putin?) the deal with the EU that the parliament had overwhelming passed and was broadly popular. (You need only look at Poland vs Belarus to see why.) This led to massive protests, suppression, violence. Some sort of deal, Yanukovych fleeing and being impeached and expelled from office in another overwhelming vote of parliament. His own party repudiated him. And then Ukraine held another presidential election.

    It's the sort of dispute that would have been easily resolved--unremarkably--in a parliamentary system, with Yanukovych simply booted out, no muss, no fuss. From a simple political mechanics point of view, was move Yanukovych's departure from 2015, to 2014. He had zero chance of winning the next election and probably would not even have run. And they've had three more elections since your "putsch". (And the current guy Zelensky actually got higher vote totals in the East. His competition only one a few western districts.)

    But apparently to you the crappy corrupt Yanukovych is "the legitimate government of the Ukraine" or something, not the people who've won all the elections since he was kicked out.


    -- And yes, I respect the people of the Donbass to have "self-determination". But that means *all* the people. I.e. the right of Ukrainians in the Donbass, to *not* get booted out of their nation.

    And yeah, no one's mass "murdering" people in the Donbass. (Sure, i'm sure some people--on both sides--have killed people outside "the laws of war".) What happened there is Putin invaded with some puppet state armies, starting a war. And not

    As I have pointed out to you before, even the most "Russian" Oblasts are not "Russian". They are very mixed both linguistically (more Russian) and ethnically (maybe even majority Ukrainian). And the mix is that you have some Russian dominated cities and Ukrainian dominated outlying areas. It's a recipe for conflict:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Ukraine#/media/File:UkraineNativeLanguagesCensus2001detailed-en.png
    (And this map overstates the politics, because many ethnic Ukrainians speak Russian. And probably even a good many Russian speaking ethnic Russians, didn't/don't want to be annexed by Russia.)

    And in that conflict, I'll side with the countryside. They are core producers, and people who are not mobile. If you're an ethnic Russian bureaucrat or accountant or dentist or tradesman in Donetsk and you really can't stand being in Ukraine you can always pack up and move to Russia. It's huge and badly needs more Russians. (As Putin has done nothing about Russian fertility or the muzzie illegals flocking in the from the 'stans.) In contrast, the Ukrainian farmer in the sticks can not move, without losing his livelihood.

    I've made the analogy to Wisconsin. When we split, do Milwaukee and Madison get to drag Wisconsin into team Rainbow? No. The people throughout the Wisconsin get to decide. They get their choice--which will be America.

    It's this mixed situation in these eastern provinces that has kept the fighting going. Contrast with Crimea which is much more solidly Russian. The Ukrainians whine, but they also know that in Crimea, the people actually are--mostly--happy enough being in Russia. In the east, it's a muddle. So once Putin stirred it into open conflict ... there's conflict. It was rash, stupid and evil behavior on his part.

    Calm serious proposals and negotiations on status/levels-of-autonomy if he actually gave a shit about the actual people in the Donbass. Or just offers to the Russians there to come to Russia. Every last millimeter of territory is hardly important to Russia--it's huge. Russia's actual serious issues are the same as in the West--immigration driven demographic change and low/dysgenic fertility of the core national people. Starting this war was just useless stupidity that is bad for everyone.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?"

    No, I have it on good authority, endorsed by Putin himself, that when one is confronted with a much larger and more powerful opponent, one should meekly submit, otherwise they themselves are to blame for the additional killing.

    Clearly, it was wrong of Putin to keep prolonging this alleged suffering by supplying the people of Donbass with weapons for 8 years. He should have, if only in the interest of peace, and ensuring that the killing stops, told them to accept whatever it was that Kyiv was demanding.

    Looks like your boy in Moscow can't even follow his own advice, so why should anyone else?

  30. @epebble
    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin's war.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Zelo, @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy, @JimDandy

    A good American should want what’s best for Americans.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @JimDandy


    A good American should want what’s best for Americans.
     
    The best outcome for Americans is probably Russia prevailing over the GAE in the Ukraine.
  31. @AnotherDad
    A) When someone announces--and demonstrates--they are mentally ill, shouldn't that disqualify them military service?

    B) Can we at least hang one of these traitors? We've gone through a passel of them--Ames, Howard, Walker, Hanssen, Pollard. And there's some Chinese traitors I can't even remember. What the hell happened to "get a rope".

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Ralph L, @Hypnotoad666, @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    I don’t quite see how either of them are traitors. The Armenian wife seems to be a Soviet patriot.

  32. @AnotherDad
    A) When someone announces--and demonstrates--they are mentally ill, shouldn't that disqualify them military service?

    B) Can we at least hang one of these traitors? We've gone through a passel of them--Ames, Howard, Walker, Hanssen, Pollard. And there's some Chinese traitors I can't even remember. What the hell happened to "get a rope".

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Ralph L, @Hypnotoad666, @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR, @JimDandy

    Pollard? You mean the guy now living in Israel on a Mossad pension?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @JimDandy


    Pollard? You mean the guy now living in Israel on a Mossad pension?
     
    Yes. He should have been strung up.

    And all the whining and kvetching about him is just demonstration that some nominal "Americans" are not in fact "Americans", not loyal to the American nation.
  33. Impressive that so far the US military member known to have been passing information to the Russians during the Russian-Ukrainian war is a tranny.

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @Alyosha

    There's an American "transgender journalist" covering the war in a very much pro-Ukraine way, so be sure that any gay or transgender is firmly on the pro-Ukrainian side. This fake story was probably concocted to tarnish the image of the Russians, by association with those freaks. Nothing in this story makes any sense.

    Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote:


    Impressive that so far the US military member known to have been passing information to the Russians during the Russian-Ukrainian war is a tranny.

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!
     
    I haven't noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian.

    But a lot of us are pro-peace and against the US Deep State wrecking countries half-way around the world and risking WW III.

    Perhaps you lack the mental ability to distinguish between people who are pro-peace and people who are pro-Russian? Or do you just worship the US Deep State for some reason?

    Replies: @Alyosha

  34. They say you know you’ve made it in DC when you know someone personally caught up in a scandal so I guess I’ve made it here.

    I was friends with James (his former name) a decade ago which is when his classic case of autogynephilia caught up with him, he gave up on seeking help, and it destroyed his marriage (and would have destroyed his Army career but for the late Obama awakening at DOD). He cut most all of his old friends off when he became Jamie so I haven’t talked to him since then, but I hear updates through the grapevine.

    Apparently he never did a medical transition and has desisted, going as a “he” again except for the legal name change to Jamie because his new wife wanted their kid(s?) to have a real dad. Too bad he didn’t think about that for his first kid.

    This whole thing is really scrambling the response—the left would love to cover the RuSsIaN TrAiToR angle but ignore the trans stuff so I expect this bizarre story to die sooner than later. Sad to see a onetime friend make shipwreck of his life this way.

    Ps Steve I put my real email in the box (via an apple alias) so you can email me if you question my veracity.

    • Thanks: HA, notsaying, Captain Tripps
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @DC guy

    You sound highly plausible.

    , @ic1000
    @DC guy

    "DC guy," I don't give credence to unsourced assertions of fact, when made by pseudonymous iSteve commenters.

    On the other hand, your background information sounds plausible, especially given the NYT's demonstrated commitment to lie by omission on this story,

    Notably, you claim that the autogynephile Dr. Henry has taken to wearing a dress when it suits her, and to wearing a suit when it suits him. And that, as a he, she has fathered a child with xis/xir new wife, the Russophilic Dr. Anna Gabrielian.

    Current Year censorship doesn't demand that undesirable information be hygenically memory-holed. Instead, a softer approach has proven effective. Embargo it from TV infotainment shows, keep it off the front pages of the newspapers, and -- most importantly -- downrank it on Google searches. Out of sight, out of mind. The heterodox folks who dig for evidence and weigh it against other evidence don't matter, by and large. The circus has moved on.

    One sorry aspect of the trans fad is that these gender pioneers wreck the lives of their loved ones, almost as much as their own. We will see: my prior at this point is that your claims will turn out to be correct.

  35. @Anonymous
    @epebble


    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.
     
    Steve deserves flak at least for not referring to the charges as “alleged.” A careful journalist would, and Steve is usually careful with facts.

    Replies: @Henry's Cat, @AndrewR

    The alleged woman allegedly leaked secret info to the Russians

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AndrewR

    Nothing is real these days. "Women" are men, "Russian contacts" are FBI agents, and the "secret info" seems to be some kind of proxy for something else (because medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue).

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HA

    , @Bill Jones
    @AndrewR


    The alleged woman allegedly leaked secret info to the Russians
     
    The alleged woman allegedly leaked allegedly secret info to the alleged Russians .

    ftfy.
  36. @Hypnotoad666
    @notsaying


    This is was such a brilliant political and comedy move, they should get whoever thought of it to write for Saturday Night Live. [And it is so unfair that whoever came up with the idea has not been given public credit and praise for it.]
     
    Trump proposed the idea in 2019 but (typically), didn't actually follow through with it. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/12/trump-undocumented-immigrants-sanctuary-cities-1272745

    Replies: @notsaying

    Interesting. Thanks for pointing that out.

    I would still tend to think a staff member came up with it during Trump’s time too, but he certainly has a mind that runs unrestrained and sometimes ends up in absurd places. He may have thought of this himself. Him saying he can declassify government documents with his mind is an example of him going where no one else would even think of going.

    He is in a mental world of his own making, I think. I do not know if he or the world realize how much he is in another place, not with the rest of us.

  37. @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote:


    A) When someone announces–and demonstrates–they are mentally ill, shouldn’t that disqualify them military service?
     
    I actually worked with a guy who was sentenced to five years in federal prison for trying to be a Soviet spy.

    With emphasis on the word "trying."

    A lot of us who worked with Davies thought that Al should have been let off on grounds of terminal stupidity: as the LA Times article notes, Al had been given an "administrative discharge" by the Air Force -- i.e.., he was not able to handle being in the Air Force: what we all heard was that trying to spy for the Soviets was Al's way of trying to get back at the Air Force.

    The article also notes that Al "did not have a top secret security clearance."

    No, because Al was too damn stupid to have access to anything important: all he could be trusted to do was low-level tech work.

    A nice enough fellow though, if rather on the slow side.

    They just don't make spies like they used to back at the height of the Cold War!

    Replies: @Anon

    Jonathan Pollard didn’t seem repentant at all after his pardon.

  38. The good Dr. Henry reminds me of someone…

    Do I Look Like I Need A Psychological Evaluation??

  39. Armenia tends to look to Russia as their protector against various genocidal Muslims – which is why the State Department is stirring up trouble with the Azeris, who aren’t averse to a bit of genocide themselves.

    So you can see why Armenians would generally be pro-Russian, stuck as they are between Turkey and Azerbijan, with Iran south and Georgia to the north their only Christian neighbour, albeit an anti-Russian one.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/apr/16/the-armenian-genocide-the-guardian-briefing

  40. @Reg Cæsar
    Jamie Lee Henry = He jam eyeliner.

    Anna Gabrielian = An alien bargain.

    "Jamie" is even less trustworthy a name than "Rick". As for Dr Anna, since when are Armenians patriotic toward Russia?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Fluesterwitz

    Since the Russians are the only thing keeping Azerbaijan from conquering Armenia?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Redneck farmer


    Since the Russians are the only thing keeping Azerbaijan from conquering Armenia?
     
    Somehow David Bowie just came to mind:

    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens...)
    Turn and face the strange
    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens...)
    Didn't want to be a Russian pig
    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens...)
    Turn and face the strange
    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens...)
    But fight in Ukraine? I'll take the gig!
  41. @AnotherDad
    @epebble


    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin’s war.
     
    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn't sound the least bit "American" to me. American's should be nationalist and respect other people's right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it's wise.

    But in any case, that isn't the issue.

    The issue is he it is handing a foreign power confidential information on American military personnel. It shouldn't be handing that to Russia, Ukraine, China, Israel, Germany, Australia, France ... even our Canadian neighbors.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @AndrewR

    I guess you’ve never heard of the US civil war.

    It’s natural for Ukrainians to want to be independent from Russia.

    Of coyrse, this “independence” is not independence at all. They’re merely courting a new masters in order to spite their old ones who, from a “nationalist” perspective, have every right to not want Ukraine to become a puppet state of the Anglos which will be used as a launching pad to divide and subjugate Russia.

    Your myopic understanding of nationalism in this case only serves to aid and abet the Anglos who are controlled by Russophobic Jews who are happy to risk nuclear war in order to thwart Russian nationalism.

  42. @Peter Johnson
    In the London Telegraph, the headline for this story is:

    First trans US officer plotted to leak medical records to Russians

    With a photo of this oddball fellow dressed up as a woman. That is the true story.

    The New York Times is lying to the American public on this story, for political purposes. Only by omission, but still. It has been a shameful decline for the NY Times which in the past wasn't full of lies done for political purposes.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/29/former-us-army-major-doctor-wife-charged-plotting-leak-medical/

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @AndrewR

    I doubt that trans people are unusually likely to pass secret info to foreign governments. This guy’s Armenian wife seems to be the main reason for it.

    Having said this, the fact that this guy had already became famous for being the first trans person in the army is a notable fact in and of itself.

  43. @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to epebble:


    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn’t sound the least bit “American” to me. American’s should be nationalist and respect other people’s right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it’s wise
     
    Well, wouldn't that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual "bullying state"?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @AnotherDad, @HA

    Russia is.

    • LOL: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @hhsiii

    Russia is protecting Russians in the Ukraine, just as say, Hitler was protecting Germans in the Czech Sudetenland. Did he go too far? Opinions vary. I think it's pretty clear that most of the people living in the Donbass prefer to be part of Russia than being part of the Ukraine, so why not make them happy? Who cares about the stupid Ukrainian borders enough to risk World War for them?

    , @PhysicistDave
    @hhsiii

    hhsiii replied to my questions:



    [Dave] Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual “bullying state”?
     
    [hhsiii ] Russia is.
     
    So, Russia came to the aid of people who were being brutally murdered by a US puppet regime installed in a US-engineered putsch and encouraged to commit murder by the US, and yet Russia is the bully????

    When a woman is raped, do you accuse anyone who comes to her defense of being a bully?

    Or, for some reason, is it only the people of the Donbass whose being murdered meets with your approval?

    Replies: @hhsiii

  44. @Henry's Cat
    @Dave Pinsen

    Perhaps you jest, but it's entirely possible.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    I’m not even jesting. I imagine it would be harder to get caught by the FBI if you were actually working with the Russians, because the Russians would inculcate some operational security in you (e.g., “Your contact is going to be Yuri here. If anyone else contacts you, assume they’re working for the FBI and say nothing.”).

    • Thanks: ic1000
  45. This story is so weird and mental illness is so broad that…

    I’m going to defer to the above commentators who say this is an ‘Accusation’ and he has not been tried in court yet

    Maybe the FBI fake Russian agent is his scorned gay lover and this is all some fantasy b.s.

    But the NYTimes using ‘He’ is Hysterical and I wonder

    Do NYTimes readers only read NYTimes? I read everything? I go cnn, huffpo, dailymail, politico…

  46. @DC guy
    They say you know you’ve made it in DC when you know someone personally caught up in a scandal so I guess I’ve made it here.

    I was friends with James (his former name) a decade ago which is when his classic case of autogynephilia caught up with him, he gave up on seeking help, and it destroyed his marriage (and would have destroyed his Army career but for the late Obama awakening at DOD). He cut most all of his old friends off when he became Jamie so I haven’t talked to him since then, but I hear updates through the grapevine.

    Apparently he never did a medical transition and has desisted, going as a “he” again except for the legal name change to Jamie because his new wife wanted their kid(s?) to have a real dad. Too bad he didn’t think about that for his first kid.

    This whole thing is really scrambling the response—the left would love to cover the RuSsIaN TrAiToR angle but ignore the trans stuff so I expect this bizarre story to die sooner than later. Sad to see a onetime friend make shipwreck of his life this way.

    Ps Steve I put my real email in the box (via an apple alias) so you can email me if you question my veracity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ic1000

    You sound highly plausible.

  47. Wouldn’t it be unethical, if not illegal, for Doctor Jamie to give confidential medical records to anyone, except when compelled to by a US court of law?

    I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Kylie


    I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot.
     
    I fail to get worked up over the news of any American working for a foreign power, especially penny-ante players like this Henry guy and his wife. Everybody knows the US government is the biggest traitor of all, with its commitment to dispossessing and eventually replacing the native white population. Any private citizen trying to compete at the treason game would be like a corner store taking on Walmart.

    Replies: @Kylie

  48. @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    The alleged woman allegedly leaked secret info to the Russians

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Bill Jones

    Nothing is real these days. “Women” are men, “Russian contacts” are FBI agents, and the “secret info” seems to be some kind of proxy for something else (because medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue).

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Rob McX

    Rob McX wrote:


    medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue...
     
    If the Russians could hack into the whole military medical database, they might find something they could use for blackmail against someone who had real value to them -- if they could search through thousands of records.

    But it sounds as if these fools tried to hand over just a small number of medical records. Pretty much irrelevant.

    I've found out that there are a number of people who think it would be really cool to play the spy game: I mentioned my former co-worker above -- just an idiot who had, perhaps, watched too many Bond movies.

    Years later, I knew a guy who claimed to have had access to a CIA secret site and CIA records that proved that the Agency controlled much of the US economy. I had a chance to discuss this with an old high-school friend of his who said that the guy had spent his life weaving fantasies of this sort -- his friends and family were pretty concerned. As far as I know, he never had the chance to do any real spying, all just a bizarre fantasy.

    And then there was the pedophile I knew who claimed, fairly credibly, to have been a nuclear launch officer before he was medically discharged (yeah, I thought they screened those guys, too!). I never could confirm if he really had been -- for obvious reasons, I broke off contact after discovering he was a... "minor-attracted person."

    The point being that there are more really crazy people in this country than we often realize.

    I mean, there is Corvinus...
    , @HA
    @Rob McX

    "medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue..."

    Actually, they are. If you have a kid or a spouse who needs an expensive transplant or treatment, and you have information or clearance or access that foreign espionage institutions would find useful, you're a prime target to be turned into an asset. "We'll arrange for you to go to a 'veterinary clinic' run by some shady looking Albanian who can give your kid that kidney, but next week when you're doing your shift at the security gate, you're going to need to look the other way when a certain van pulls up." Stuff like that -- even janitors who can be paid to look the other way can wind up helping to install bugs and other monitoring devices, or let a spy know when a certain important person is or is not at his desk.

    That's why if you have large debts, gambling losses, or are going through bankruptcy, your security clearance can be denied. In particular, I suspect that gender reassignment surgery doesn't come cheap, either, and can lead to desperate measures -- I know that because of the old Al Pacino movie about mad dogs in the afternoon-day-sun or however that goes.

  49. @Alyosha
    Impressive that so far the US military member known to have been passing information to the Russians during the Russian-Ukrainian war is a tranny.

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!

    Replies: @Dumbo, @PhysicistDave

    There’s an American “transgender journalist” covering the war in a very much pro-Ukraine way, so be sure that any gay or transgender is firmly on the pro-Ukrainian side. This fake story was probably concocted to tarnish the image of the Russians, by association with those freaks. Nothing in this story makes any sense.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Dumbo

    "This fake story was probably concocted to tarnish the image of the Russians, by association with those freaks."

    Yeah, the same military brass that welcomes the likes of that admiral with the Botticelli wig is going to use transgender-ism to try and 'tarnish the image' of the Russians. Makes perfect sense!

    No, on second thought, it's time to try and face facts, stooge: if the government had wanted to tarnish anyone, they'd have planted a story about a Confederate flag bumper sticker, or spread the rumor about how one of these people was caught leaving a noose outside some black person's dorm room -- something like that. If you seriously think today's army is using association with trans-genders as a tarnishing mechanism, it only shows how utterly deranged Putin's useful idiots have become as they keep twisting themselves into knots.

    Then again, the very fact that you would believe something that crazy makes it perfectly understandable that you'd be a Putin stooge, so there's that.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Dumbo

    It's funny how commenter "HA" casually throws around the term "stooge", when he spent two years here as a hysterical booster and willing unpaid stooge for Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Bio-Security State.

  50. @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    Russia is.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @PhysicistDave

    Russia is protecting Russians in the Ukraine, just as say, Hitler was protecting Germans in the Czech Sudetenland. Did he go too far? Opinions vary. I think it’s pretty clear that most of the people living in the Donbass prefer to be part of Russia than being part of the Ukraine, so why not make them happy? Who cares about the stupid Ukrainian borders enough to risk World War for them?

  51. @Reg Cæsar
    Jamie Lee Henry = He jam eyeliner.

    Anna Gabrielian = An alien bargain.

    "Jamie" is even less trustworthy a name than "Rick". As for Dr Anna, since when are Armenians patriotic toward Russia?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Fluesterwitz

    Since before WW1.

  52. @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    Russia is.

    Replies: @Dumbo, @PhysicistDave

    hhsiii replied to my questions:

    [Dave] Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual “bullying state”?

    [hhsiii ] Russia is.

    So, Russia came to the aid of people who were being brutally murdered by a US puppet regime installed in a US-engineered putsch and encouraged to commit murder by the US, and yet Russia is the bully????

    When a woman is raped, do you accuse anyone who comes to her defense of being a bully?

    Or, for some reason, is it only the people of the Donbass whose being murdered meets with your approval?

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    Well, now that you put it that way...

    OK, Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @vinteuil

  53. @Zelo
    @epebble

    Well to be fair, shouldn't there be something like, you know, a trial before announcing someone is a traitor?

    That's for a court to determine.

    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?

    Replies: @Gordo, @Dr. X

    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?

    Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

    John Harington

  54. @Twinkie
    @Rob McX


    Where have you been for the last ten years?
     
    I feel like this has been all a bad dream and I am going to wake up any moment now.

    The country has gone insane.

    I feel like this dog now:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/QDUWNICACQI63DDOSODL27GYEY.jpg


    The crowd, and a tired dog, at a center for internally displaced people in Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine, on Sept. 28. (Wojciech Grzedzinski for The Washington Post)
     

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I felt like this after Biden stole the election. Now there is reason for hope.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: "For the enemies of Russia, the morning does not begin with coffee." We build our happiness with our own hands: who presumes to destroy it, we ask him to pay with his blood.

  55. @Rob McX
    @AndrewR

    Nothing is real these days. "Women" are men, "Russian contacts" are FBI agents, and the "secret info" seems to be some kind of proxy for something else (because medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue).

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HA

    Rob McX wrote:

    medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue…

    If the Russians could hack into the whole military medical database, they might find something they could use for blackmail against someone who had real value to them — if they could search through thousands of records.

    But it sounds as if these fools tried to hand over just a small number of medical records. Pretty much irrelevant.

    I’ve found out that there are a number of people who think it would be really cool to play the spy game: I mentioned my former co-worker above — just an idiot who had, perhaps, watched too many Bond movies.

    Years later, I knew a guy who claimed to have had access to a CIA secret site and CIA records that proved that the Agency controlled much of the US economy. I had a chance to discuss this with an old high-school friend of his who said that the guy had spent his life weaving fantasies of this sort — his friends and family were pretty concerned. As far as I know, he never had the chance to do any real spying, all just a bizarre fantasy.

    And then there was the pedophile I knew who claimed, fairly credibly, to have been a nuclear launch officer before he was medically discharged (yeah, I thought they screened those guys, too!). I never could confirm if he really had been — for obvious reasons, I broke off contact after discovering he was a… “minor-attracted person.”

    The point being that there are more really crazy people in this country than we often realize.

    I mean, there is Corvinus…

    • Agree: petit bourgeois
    • Thanks: Rob McX
  56. @Alyosha
    Impressive that so far the US military member known to have been passing information to the Russians during the Russian-Ukrainian war is a tranny.

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!

    Replies: @Dumbo, @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote:

    Impressive that so far the US military member known to have been passing information to the Russians during the Russian-Ukrainian war is a tranny.

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!

    I haven’t noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian.

    But a lot of us are pro-peace and against the US Deep State wrecking countries half-way around the world and risking WW III.

    Perhaps you lack the mental ability to distinguish between people who are pro-peace and people who are pro-Russian? Or do you just worship the US Deep State for some reason?

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    You lack any and all mental abilities if you can't see that some people here are pro-Russian when they openly announce it. There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can't recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian, the only member of the US military known to pass information to Russians during the Russian-Ukraine war, a tranny who also tried to see if he could volunteer for the Russian Army.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @PhysicistDave

  57. @notsaying
    There was a CNN story about these people on my phone's scroll. I brought up it up and was confronted with a man and a woman with what looks like a government agent when I expected to see two women.

    So if you want to see the male version of this trans woman, you can.

    I realize now after rereading the CNN story that they do not mention he is trans. They use the normal pronouns.

    Hmmm.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/29/politics/us-army-doctor-anesthesiologist-russian-government-medical-records/index.html

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Nachum

    Silver lining: maybe the FBI will get in trouble.

  58. I once read that Putin’s intel people scour American media, searching for analysis and talking points. When it comes to the European war, it’s slim pickings on the pro-Russia side; even The NY Post and The WSJ writers are pro-Ukraine (why?). Which leaves alternate media. So, aren’t we here like, Russian agents? And btw, surely Chinese intel is scouring. China has 300,000 people with an IQ over 160, and what are they going to do with all these people? (The U.S. has 10,000.)

  59. @DC guy
    They say you know you’ve made it in DC when you know someone personally caught up in a scandal so I guess I’ve made it here.

    I was friends with James (his former name) a decade ago which is when his classic case of autogynephilia caught up with him, he gave up on seeking help, and it destroyed his marriage (and would have destroyed his Army career but for the late Obama awakening at DOD). He cut most all of his old friends off when he became Jamie so I haven’t talked to him since then, but I hear updates through the grapevine.

    Apparently he never did a medical transition and has desisted, going as a “he” again except for the legal name change to Jamie because his new wife wanted their kid(s?) to have a real dad. Too bad he didn’t think about that for his first kid.

    This whole thing is really scrambling the response—the left would love to cover the RuSsIaN TrAiToR angle but ignore the trans stuff so I expect this bizarre story to die sooner than later. Sad to see a onetime friend make shipwreck of his life this way.

    Ps Steve I put my real email in the box (via an apple alias) so you can email me if you question my veracity.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @ic1000

    “DC guy,” I don’t give credence to unsourced assertions of fact, when made by pseudonymous iSteve commenters.

    On the other hand, your background information sounds plausible, especially given the NYT’s demonstrated commitment to lie by omission on this story,

    Notably, you claim that the autogynephile Dr. Henry has taken to wearing a dress when it suits her, and to wearing a suit when it suits him. And that, as a he, she has fathered a child with xis/xir new wife, the Russophilic Dr. Anna Gabrielian.

    Current Year censorship doesn’t demand that undesirable information be hygenically memory-holed. Instead, a softer approach has proven effective. Embargo it from TV infotainment shows, keep it off the front pages of the newspapers, and — most importantly — downrank it on Google searches. Out of sight, out of mind. The heterodox folks who dig for evidence and weigh it against other evidence don’t matter, by and large. The circus has moved on.

    One sorry aspect of the trans fad is that these gender pioneers wreck the lives of their loved ones, almost as much as their own. We will see: my prior at this point is that your claims will turn out to be correct.

  60. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote:


    Impressive that so far the US military member known to have been passing information to the Russians during the Russian-Ukrainian war is a tranny.

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!
     
    I haven't noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian.

    But a lot of us are pro-peace and against the US Deep State wrecking countries half-way around the world and risking WW III.

    Perhaps you lack the mental ability to distinguish between people who are pro-peace and people who are pro-Russian? Or do you just worship the US Deep State for some reason?

    Replies: @Alyosha

    You lack any and all mental abilities if you can’t see that some people here are pro-Russian when they openly announce it. There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can’t recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian, the only member of the US military known to pass information to Russians during the Russian-Ukraine war, a tranny who also tried to see if he could volunteer for the Russian Army.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Alyosha

    Why do so many federal agents commit suicide? There was that one guy who they were certain was right-wing terrorism -- he hung himself, after hanging a placard reading "FED." Turns out he did it. What did he mean by that?

    , @Fluesterwitz
    @Alyosha

    A simple "yes" would have sufficed.

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.
     
    No, I have not seen that -- can you link to it?

    In any case, that is rare -- most of us are pro-peaces, not pro-Russia or pro-Putin. Above all, a lot of us would like to defeat the US Deep State so that we can restore the American Republic -- you know, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all that?

    Alyosha also wrote:

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can’t recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian...
     
    Did I deny that? Although it appears that he was actually manipulated by a (more than slightly crazy!) wife.

    In any case, I doubt he was a commenter here. And it seems exceedingly unlikely, to quote from your original comment that:

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!
     
    You have not shown that there is a "pro-Russian faction" here: you are now just claiming there is one guy who wants dead Ukrainians.

    Not exactly a "faction."

    Are you in middle school? Or does Kiev pay you?

    Replies: @Alyosha, @Rob

  61. I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good.

    Russia is in the right in this special military operation and anyone with a pulse and a working brain can see that. I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.

    Despite the alleged setbacks that the Western Media pointlessly propagandizes Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that’s not annexed to the Russian Federation. Good.

    • Disagree: hhsiii
    • Thanks: J.Ross
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @ValeryKarpin

    Russia is a paper tiger. All they have is nuclear threats. I was rooting for them in the beginning but at this point I just want someone to take out Putin. Russia lost and they don't have a moral right to destroy the world in a tantrum.

    , @HA
    @ValeryKarpin

    "Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that’s not annexed to the Russian Federation."

    Guaranteed, huh? Let's compare that prediction with the one you yourself made some five months ago on Apr 28:


    The great thing about this war is that it has shown that Russia is far STRONGER militarily than anybody on earth had ever thought before...now it looks like the war has gone so unexpectedly well that they will take Kiev within one month, and either have a Ukrainian government that’s 100% allied with Russia, or even just annex the country to the Russian federation. Good.
     
    Given how well that one turned out, I'm not altogether impressed with any current guarantees or predictions you might have to offer. As I've noted previously, if this exemplifies the grip that you and the other fanboys have on reality, it helps explain why you're such big fans of Putin. Maybe it'll at least shut up the likes of PhysicistDave and his ilk the next time they want to pretend no one around here is pro-Russian (though I'd be as big a fool as you if I were to predict that's remotely likely to happen).
  62. But is He/She/It (can’t we just anagram the individual letters? Shite?)
    “Intellectually flexible”?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Bill Jones

    >Stealing a march on Reg
    Niiice.

  63. @AndrewR
    @Anonymous

    The alleged woman allegedly leaked secret info to the Russians

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Bill Jones

    The alleged woman allegedly leaked secret info to the Russians

    The alleged woman allegedly leaked allegedly secret info to the alleged Russians .

    ftfy.

  64. Its almost like that old saw that sex degenerates are more open to being compromised by foreign powers is true.

    Are we certain that this trans nonsense isn’t being pushed by Russian operatives- like they did with nuclear winter and global warming?

    Didn’t we recently hear the Russians were pushing BLM extremism?

    Just a thought.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  65. Will their kids be more screwed up by them being in prison a few years or by having two, or one and a half, mommies?

  66. “But I guess being transphobic with pronouns is better than disturbing the serene worldview of NYT subscribers by informing them that one of these alleged traitors for Russia is a sacred transwoman.”

    But Steve, the NYT’s kovid koverage was the most honest and accurate and brave reporting since Ed Murrow!

  67. @Kylie
    Wouldn't it be unethical, if not illegal, for Doctor Jamie to give confidential medical records to anyone, except when compelled to by a US court of law?

    I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot.

    I fail to get worked up over the news of any American working for a foreign power, especially penny-ante players like this Henry guy and his wife. Everybody knows the US government is the biggest traitor of all, with its commitment to dispossessing and eventually replacing the native white population. Any private citizen trying to compete at the treason game would be like a corner store taking on Walmart.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @Rob McX

    I posted:
    "I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot."

    And you replied:
    "I fail to get worked up over the news of any American working for a foreign power, especially penny-ante players like this Henry guy and his wife."

    Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't give a flip what they were doing with medical records or undercover FBI agents. I meant that's what should happen to them because they're a couple of degenerate freaks. (Yeah, she's as bad as he is for enabling him for her own reasons.)

    And by the way:

    Soldier who tried to give docs on US officers to Russia is RELEASED https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268031/Army-officer-tried-provide-medical-information-military-officers-Russia-RELEASED.html?ito=native_share_article-top

    Replies: @JimDandy

  68. Okay, now I understand. None of this had anything to do with Russia. The FBI, which cannot do basic law enforcememt or investigation, which has surrendered whole hog to the entrapment model, entrapped some harmless nobody, just like all the harmless nobodies they have previously entrapped.

    • Agree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @J.Ross


    Okay, now I understand. None of this had anything to do with Russia. The FBI, which cannot do basic law enforcememt or investigation, which has surrendered whole hog to the entrapment model, entrapped some harmless nobody, just like all the harmless nobodies they have previously entrapped.
     
    They get commendations and promotions either way. It's so much easier to look for those lost keys under the streetlight.
  69. @Bill Jones
    But is He/She/It (can't we just anagram the individual letters? Shite?)
    "Intellectually flexible"?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    >Stealing a march on Reg
    Niiice.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  70. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    You lack any and all mental abilities if you can't see that some people here are pro-Russian when they openly announce it. There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can't recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian, the only member of the US military known to pass information to Russians during the Russian-Ukraine war, a tranny who also tried to see if he could volunteer for the Russian Army.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @PhysicistDave

    Why do so many federal agents commit suicide? There was that one guy who they were certain was right-wing terrorism — he hung himself, after hanging a placard reading “FED.” Turns out he did it. What did he mean by that?

  71. @Zelo
    @epebble

    Well to be fair, shouldn't there be something like, you know, a trial before announcing someone is a traitor?

    That's for a court to determine.

    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?

    Replies: @Gordo, @Dr. X

    By the way, is the FBI looking into pro-Ukrainian traitors?

    Well, they do have Hunter Biden’s laptop… don’t they?

  72. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    You lack any and all mental abilities if you can't see that some people here are pro-Russian when they openly announce it. There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can't recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian, the only member of the US military known to pass information to Russians during the Russian-Ukraine war, a tranny who also tried to see if he could volunteer for the Russian Army.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @PhysicistDave

    A simple “yes” would have sufficed.

  73. The Russians are going to find this whole thing to be a hoot. It’s yet another own-goal by the “Anglo-Saxon” empire:

    First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
    A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent
    https://www.rt.com/news/563765-trans-army-spy-russia/

    It’s bitterly ironic to see the Russians and other continental Europeans refer to the Five Eyes countries as “Anglo-Saxon”. That’s a holdover from the last century. Things have changed since then.

    But for those of us who inherited this Anglosphere of ours, at what point do we stop and ask ourselves whether our critics have a point? I mean how long can my fellow conservatives keep living off Cold War nostalgia and Churchill’s thought blocking cliché about our system being “the worst, except for all the others”?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Cagey Beast


    But for those of us who inherited this Anglosphere of ours, at what point do we stop and ask ourselves whether our critics have a point? I mean how long can my fellow conservatives keep living off Cold War nostalgia and Churchill’s thought blocking cliché about our system being “the worst, except for all the others”?
     
    We're definitely an occupied nation, with a treasonous elite, pushing a degenerate culture. No serious doubt about those points.

    Our "great power" critics are no picnic either.

    Russia--LOL. Stupid wars--to keep some muzzies *in* and then bash your brother slavs. Illegal muzzie immigration from the 'stans. Low fertility of your core national population and brain drain.

    China--who I really do expect to inherit the future. "Zero covid" disaster. This stupid desire to boss around Taiwan instead of just letting those people be. Tibet, the Uighurs (best to just leave 'em alone or cut 'em loose.) Absolute--ridiculous--sloth ending the one-child stupidity. Cratered dysgenic fertility. And Xi--having made a hash of covid--clinging to power demanding a third term instead of slinking off into a much deserved retirement.

    the Muzzzies -- LOL. An ideology that actually does environmentally subtract IQ points.

    Latin Amercia -- 'nuf said.

    India -- oh, please. Population growth with dysgenic fertility, brain drain, rising muzzie share. India's going nowhere.


    Really, while there is no one else as treasonous as the "Anglo-Saxons"--LOL, check out Biden's cabinet--it's just not a pretty picture out there.

    Orban is the one guy I see among leaders in white nations who seems to understand his job. Maybe the Japanese are doing ok as well. (But I'm not Japanese.)

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @PhysicistDave

  74. Between this and Chelsea/Bradley Manning it seems like a high rate of transgender servicepersons are traitors. A sane society would consider the psychological profile of either of them as a massive security risk and bounce them out of the service, but instead we are told by august publications like The Atlantic that wokeness actually makes the military more effective.

  75. @Rob McX
    @AndrewR

    Nothing is real these days. "Women" are men, "Russian contacts" are FBI agents, and the "secret info" seems to be some kind of proxy for something else (because medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue).

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @HA

    “medical records of ordinary military personnel are not the stuff of international intrigue…”

    Actually, they are. If you have a kid or a spouse who needs an expensive transplant or treatment, and you have information or clearance or access that foreign espionage institutions would find useful, you’re a prime target to be turned into an asset. “We’ll arrange for you to go to a ‘veterinary clinic’ run by some shady looking Albanian who can give your kid that kidney, but next week when you’re doing your shift at the security gate, you’re going to need to look the other way when a certain van pulls up.” Stuff like that — even janitors who can be paid to look the other way can wind up helping to install bugs and other monitoring devices, or let a spy know when a certain important person is or is not at his desk.

    That’s why if you have large debts, gambling losses, or are going through bankruptcy, your security clearance can be denied. In particular, I suspect that gender reassignment surgery doesn’t come cheap, either, and can lead to desperate measures — I know that because of the old Al Pacino movie about mad dogs in the afternoon-day-sun or however that goes.

  76. @Dumbo
    @Alyosha

    There's an American "transgender journalist" covering the war in a very much pro-Ukraine way, so be sure that any gay or transgender is firmly on the pro-Ukrainian side. This fake story was probably concocted to tarnish the image of the Russians, by association with those freaks. Nothing in this story makes any sense.

    Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon

    “This fake story was probably concocted to tarnish the image of the Russians, by association with those freaks.”

    Yeah, the same military brass that welcomes the likes of that admiral with the Botticelli wig is going to use transgender-ism to try and ‘tarnish the image’ of the Russians. Makes perfect sense!

    No, on second thought, it’s time to try and face facts, stooge: if the government had wanted to tarnish anyone, they’d have planted a story about a Confederate flag bumper sticker, or spread the rumor about how one of these people was caught leaving a noose outside some black person’s dorm room — something like that. If you seriously think today’s army is using association with trans-genders as a tarnishing mechanism, it only shows how utterly deranged Putin’s useful idiots have become as they keep twisting themselves into knots.

    Then again, the very fact that you would believe something that crazy makes it perfectly understandable that you’d be a Putin stooge, so there’s that.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    @HA

    Oh, shut up, humourless boring person. I thought only Zelensky was such a humourless annoying beggar prick, I didn't know it was the same with all his supporters. Sure, I prefer Putin to that Jewish clown, who doesn't?

    Replies: @J.Ross

  77. I the efforts you ave put in this, thanks for all the great articles.

  78. @J.Ross
    Okay, now I understand. None of this had anything to do with Russia. The FBI, which cannot do basic law enforcememt or investigation, which has surrendered whole hog to the entrapment model, entrapped some harmless nobody, just like all the harmless nobodies they have previously entrapped.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Okay, now I understand. None of this had anything to do with Russia. The FBI, which cannot do basic law enforcememt or investigation, which has surrendered whole hog to the entrapment model, entrapped some harmless nobody, just like all the harmless nobodies they have previously entrapped.

    They get commendations and promotions either way. It’s so much easier to look for those lost keys under the streetlight.

  79. Dr. Jamie Lee Henry, an internist at Fort Bragg, and Dr. Anna Gabrielian gave confidential medical records to an undercover F.B.I. agent who posed as a Russian agent, prosecutors said.

    Gabrielian sounds Armenian. Are they usually so pro-Russian? Maybe it’s because the Armenian-Azerbaijani thing is hotting up again, and presumably Armenia would be on the same side as Russia against the Ukrainian-Azerbaijani axis of evil or something? I thought the whole point of being a fat, dumb, happy American was that we didn’t have to concern ourselves with all of this central-Asian f**kery.

    Did the FBI give Ms. Gabrelian a little script to read, just to further flesh out the Russian angle in the whole thing, given that they are the Russkies are now the CH (Current Hitler). It’s hard to avoid the liklihood of significant FBI involvement, given that they largely now manufacture crimes to investigate.

  80. @Dumbo
    @Alyosha

    There's an American "transgender journalist" covering the war in a very much pro-Ukraine way, so be sure that any gay or transgender is firmly on the pro-Ukrainian side. This fake story was probably concocted to tarnish the image of the Russians, by association with those freaks. Nothing in this story makes any sense.

    Replies: @HA, @Mr. Anon

    It’s funny how commenter “HA” casually throws around the term “stooge”, when he spent two years here as a hysterical booster and willing unpaid stooge for Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Bio-Security State.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: Almost Missouri
  81. Then again, the very fact that you would believe something that crazy makes it perfectly understandable that you’d be a Putin stooge, so there’s that.

    And the fact that your comments are consistently passed through moderation faster than anyone’s (other than Jack D’s) tells me this isn’t the place to look for an interesting conversation. Your endless trash-talking in defence of the official narrative demonstrates a kind of double stupidity: it’s both charmless and unimaginative.

    If that’s what it takes for a comment to skip the waiting line then maybe I’ll take the next month off from this place, for my own mental hygiene.

  82. @HA
    @Dumbo

    "This fake story was probably concocted to tarnish the image of the Russians, by association with those freaks."

    Yeah, the same military brass that welcomes the likes of that admiral with the Botticelli wig is going to use transgender-ism to try and 'tarnish the image' of the Russians. Makes perfect sense!

    No, on second thought, it's time to try and face facts, stooge: if the government had wanted to tarnish anyone, they'd have planted a story about a Confederate flag bumper sticker, or spread the rumor about how one of these people was caught leaving a noose outside some black person's dorm room -- something like that. If you seriously think today's army is using association with trans-genders as a tarnishing mechanism, it only shows how utterly deranged Putin's useful idiots have become as they keep twisting themselves into knots.

    Then again, the very fact that you would believe something that crazy makes it perfectly understandable that you'd be a Putin stooge, so there's that.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    Oh, shut up, humourless boring person. I thought only Zelensky was such a humourless annoying beggar prick, I didn’t know it was the same with all his supporters. Sure, I prefer Putin to that Jewish clown, who doesn’t?

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Dumbo

    SPIDER LOVIN

  83. @PhysicistDave
    @hhsiii

    hhsiii replied to my questions:



    [Dave] Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual “bullying state”?
     
    [hhsiii ] Russia is.
     
    So, Russia came to the aid of people who were being brutally murdered by a US puppet regime installed in a US-engineered putsch and encouraged to commit murder by the US, and yet Russia is the bully????

    When a woman is raped, do you accuse anyone who comes to her defense of being a bully?

    Or, for some reason, is it only the people of the Donbass whose being murdered meets with your approval?

    Replies: @hhsiii

    Well, now that you put it that way…

    OK, Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.

    • Thanks: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @hhsiii

    How about if I put it this way: there is a dispute over the Donbas. Russia feels it belongs with Russia. When Zelensky bellowed that Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons and NATO membership, Russia considered that a direct threat. Are you really willing to see the bodies of America's children melt in a nuclear holocaust over this? Either you are, or you're too stupid to think that has become a very real possibility.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    , @vinteuil
    @hhsiii


    Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.
     
    Strange but true.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  84. Mark me down as pro-Russian.

    That said, there are three sexes:

    Male
    Female
    Freakshow

  85. While the transgender “doctor” is very odd, what is not stated but the right question is what exactly were these two trying to sell/give to the Russians?

    Patient medical info is usually not some big military secret. Nor would some sort of “secret” list of transgender military personnel be a big deal. Embarrassing maybe, but not to this Administration.

    Also by now it would seem that anyone emailing/mailing/calling the Russian embassy in DC should know that their first contact will be an FBI agent, not some silly Russian. “Walk-ins” can happen in the intelligence game but not like that.

    The evident Armenian spouse here might have some pro Russian motivation but foolish to think she has much they would want for all the hassle. The other guy/gal doctor is just a very mixed up fool. Now he will see what a “prison bitch” is all about. Male/female whatever…

    The best reward for these two is to send them to the Donbass front in the Russian military. They could run a MASH unit. I’m sure after enough drunken rapes by Russian soldiers their thinking about oh so many issues would clarify.

  86. @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    Well, now that you put it that way...

    OK, Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @vinteuil

    How about if I put it this way: there is a dispute over the Donbas. Russia feels it belongs with Russia. When Zelensky bellowed that Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons and NATO membership, Russia considered that a direct threat. Are you really willing to see the bodies of America’s children melt in a nuclear holocaust over this? Either you are, or you’re too stupid to think that has become a very real possibility.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @JimDandy

    How about this: the guy threatening to melt my kids isn’t a bully?

    Some folks are so fixated on their own keen insight on the evils of our government that they want to polish Putin’s knob. And yes, it’s scary and I wish we weren’t involved.

    On another note, my wife is Russian. My father-in-law is visiting from Belarus. He was Red Army. When Steve posted those lines from Horatius at the Gate I thought which soldiers in this war might think they are fighting for hearth and home. Notwithstanding the Kievan Rus historical ties. My father-in-law is 72 and “visited” Prague in ‘68. But I doubt many 20 year-old Russians are keen on having to fight.

    By the way, that poem goes on to lament that Rome’s ability to fight waned when political factions strained their unity. Ironically, Russia has political unity, but that hasn’t apparently led to martial spirit in this fight.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  87. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    Pollard? You mean the guy now living in Israel on a Mossad pension?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Pollard? You mean the guy now living in Israel on a Mossad pension?

    Yes. He should have been strung up.

    And all the whining and kvetching about him is just demonstration that some nominal “Americans” are not in fact “Americans”, not loyal to the American nation.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  88. @epebble
    You are going to catch a lot of flak from people here for calling her/him a traitor. A good American should be pro Putin's war.

    Replies: @puttheforkdown, @Anonymous, @Zelo, @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy, @JimDandy

    A good American should be absolutely aghast at this kind of rhetoric (from Putin’s latest speech):

    “They’re crazy. I want to speak to all Russian citizens, do we want to replace mum and dad with parent 1 and 2? They invented genders and claim you can ‘transition’. Do we want this for our children?

    We have a different vision.

    They have abandoned religion and embraced Satanism.
    The world is going through a revolutionary transformation. A multipolar world offers nations freedom to develop as they wish and they make up the majority of the world.”

    • Replies: @HA
    @JimDandy

    A good American should be absolutely aghast at this kind of rhetoric (from Putin’s latest speech)...

    Ah yes, and there's one more down the chute about how we should all believe Putin's speeches and have faith in his rhetoric. To that end, let's replay the speech he gave on Woman's Day, in early March:


    I'd like to address the mothers, wives, sisters, brides and girlfriends of our soldiers and officers who are in battle now to defend Russia... I know how worried you are for your loved ones,... I stress, conscripted soldiers are not will not be involved in combat operations, nor will there be an additional mobilization of reserves...
     
    How'd that promise work out right about now, given Putin's latest mobilization? But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that's the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose. As messed up as those two traitors are, I see they have plenty of company in this comment section. Peas in a pod.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

  89. @Rob McX
    @Kylie


    I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot.
     
    I fail to get worked up over the news of any American working for a foreign power, especially penny-ante players like this Henry guy and his wife. Everybody knows the US government is the biggest traitor of all, with its commitment to dispossessing and eventually replacing the native white population. Any private citizen trying to compete at the treason game would be like a corner store taking on Walmart.

    Replies: @Kylie

    I posted:
    “I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot.”

    And you replied:
    “I fail to get worked up over the news of any American working for a foreign power, especially penny-ante players like this Henry guy and his wife.”

    Sorry, I wasn’t clear. I don’t give a flip what they were doing with medical records or undercover FBI agents. I meant that’s what should happen to them because they’re a couple of degenerate freaks. (Yeah, she’s as bad as he is for enabling him for her own reasons.)

    And by the way:

    Soldier who tried to give docs on US officers to Russia is RELEASED https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268031/Army-officer-tried-provide-medical-information-military-officers-Russia-RELEASED.html?ito=native_share_article-top

    • Thanks: Rob McX
    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Kylie

    Selective outrage? Biden's entire cabinet sells America out to a foreign power on a daily basis. Biden sold us out to foreign powers as VP and the hits keep coming.

    Replies: @Kylie

  90. @Kylie
    @Rob McX

    I posted:
    "I think he should have his medical license revoked, be stripped of his American citizenship and deported to Russia or the ME. Toss his wife into prison here and let her rot."

    And you replied:
    "I fail to get worked up over the news of any American working for a foreign power, especially penny-ante players like this Henry guy and his wife."

    Sorry, I wasn't clear. I don't give a flip what they were doing with medical records or undercover FBI agents. I meant that's what should happen to them because they're a couple of degenerate freaks. (Yeah, she's as bad as he is for enabling him for her own reasons.)

    And by the way:

    Soldier who tried to give docs on US officers to Russia is RELEASED https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268031/Army-officer-tried-provide-medical-information-military-officers-Russia-RELEASED.html?ito=native_share_article-top

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Selective outrage? Biden’s entire cabinet sells America out to a foreign power on a daily basis. Biden sold us out to foreign powers as VP and the hits keep coming.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    @JimDandy

    "Selective outrage? Biden’s entire cabinet sells America out to a foreign power on a daily basis. Biden sold us out to foreign powers as VP and the hits keep coming."

    There is nothing selective about my outrage, I assure you. It covers 99.999% of what the leftist rule permits, encourages and enables in what was formerly our country. But again, I think I wasn't sufficiently clear. The Biden administration's malfeasance is on the political end of the spectrum.

    I object to these two degenerates specifically on a cultural basis. I don't even care if they've broken any laws. I'm tired of the 24/7 freak show in this country. It disgusts me.

  91. @Redneck farmer
    @Reg Cæsar

    Since the Russians are the only thing keeping Azerbaijan from conquering Armenia?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Since the Russians are the only thing keeping Azerbaijan from conquering Armenia?

    Somehow David Bowie just came to mind:

    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens…)
    Turn and face the strange
    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens…)
    Didn’t want to be a Russian pig
    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens…)
    Turn and face the strange
    (Ch-Ch-Ch-Chechens…)
    But fight in Ukraine? I’ll take the gig!

  92. @Dumbo
    @HA

    Oh, shut up, humourless boring person. I thought only Zelensky was such a humourless annoying beggar prick, I didn't know it was the same with all his supporters. Sure, I prefer Putin to that Jewish clown, who doesn't?

    Replies: @J.Ross

    SPIDER LOVIN

  93. @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to epebble:


    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn’t sound the least bit “American” to me. American’s should be nationalist and respect other people’s right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it’s wise
     
    Well, wouldn't that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual "bullying state"?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @AnotherDad, @HA

    Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Dave, you’re drunk your Putin-Aid and are happy with it, so there is not much point in engaging.

    But just for the record:

    — There was no 2014 “putsch”.
    You’re acting like Viktor Yanukovych is the only legitimate elected official. Yanukovych–widely viewed as corrupt–repeatedly promised to, but then refused to sign (Putin?) the deal with the EU that the parliament had overwhelming passed and was broadly popular. (You need only look at Poland vs Belarus to see why.) This led to massive protests, suppression, violence. Some sort of deal, Yanukovych fleeing and being impeached and expelled from office in another overwhelming vote of parliament. His own party repudiated him. And then Ukraine held another presidential election.

    It’s the sort of dispute that would have been easily resolved–unremarkably–in a parliamentary system, with Yanukovych simply booted out, no muss, no fuss. From a simple political mechanics point of view, was move Yanukovych’s departure from 2015, to 2014. He had zero chance of winning the next election and probably would not even have run. And they’ve had three more elections since your “putsch”. (And the current guy Zelensky actually got higher vote totals in the East. His competition only one a few western districts.)

    But apparently to you the crappy corrupt Yanukovych is “the legitimate government of the Ukraine” or something, not the people who’ve won all the elections since he was kicked out.

    — And yes, I respect the people of the Donbass to have “self-determination”. But that means *all* the people. I.e. the right of Ukrainians in the Donbass, to *not* get booted out of their nation.

    And yeah, no one’s mass “murdering” people in the Donbass. (Sure, i’m sure some people–on both sides–have killed people outside “the laws of war”.) What happened there is Putin invaded with some puppet state armies, starting a war. And not

    As I have pointed out to you before, even the most “Russian” Oblasts are not “Russian”. They are very mixed both linguistically (more Russian) and ethnically (maybe even majority Ukrainian). And the mix is that you have some Russian dominated cities and Ukrainian dominated outlying areas. It’s a recipe for conflict:

    (And this map overstates the politics, because many ethnic Ukrainians speak Russian. And probably even a good many Russian speaking ethnic Russians, didn’t/don’t want to be annexed by Russia.)

    And in that conflict, I’ll side with the countryside. They are core producers, and people who are not mobile. If you’re an ethnic Russian bureaucrat or accountant or dentist or tradesman in Donetsk and you really can’t stand being in Ukraine you can always pack up and move to Russia. It’s huge and badly needs more Russians. (As Putin has done nothing about Russian fertility or the muzzie illegals flocking in the from the ‘stans.) In contrast, the Ukrainian farmer in the sticks can not move, without losing his livelihood.

    I’ve made the analogy to Wisconsin. When we split, do Milwaukee and Madison get to drag Wisconsin into team Rainbow? No. The people throughout the Wisconsin get to decide. They get their choice–which will be America.

    It’s this mixed situation in these eastern provinces that has kept the fighting going. Contrast with Crimea which is much more solidly Russian. The Ukrainians whine, but they also know that in Crimea, the people actually are–mostly–happy enough being in Russia. In the east, it’s a muddle. So once Putin stirred it into open conflict … there’s conflict. It was rash, stupid and evil behavior on his part.

    Calm serious proposals and negotiations on status/levels-of-autonomy if he actually gave a shit about the actual people in the Donbass. Or just offers to the Russians there to come to Russia. Every last millimeter of territory is hardly important to Russia–it’s huge. Russia’s actual serious issues are the same as in the West–immigration driven demographic change and low/dysgenic fertility of the core national people. Starting this war was just useless stupidity that is bad for everyone.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to me:


    — There was no 2014 “putsch”.
    You’re acting like Viktor Yanukovych is the only legitimate elected official. Yanukovych–widely viewed as corrupt–repeatedly promised to, but then refused to sign (Putin?) the deal with the EU that the parliament had overwhelming passed and was broadly popular.
     
    The deal with the EU was popular in West Ukraine: Yanukovych's crucial support was from East Ukraine, a region more oriented towards Russia. Russia made him an offer that Yanukovych preferred over the EU offer.

    Life happens.

    All those facts do not change the fact that there was a putsch orchestrated by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland in 2014 against the legitimate government of Ukraine.

    You are giving reasons for the putsch. There are always reasons for a putsch... or it would not happen.

    Doesn't change the fact that it was a putsch.

    Look: I'm an anarchist and I have a deep love for secession. I don't care that people in West Ukraine chose to overthrow their elected government (I do care that the US Deep State intervened).

    What I do care about is that when a lot of people in the Donbass chose not to go along with West Ukraine's secession, the puppet regime started killing them.

    Secession? Yay! Mass murder? No!

    AD also wrote:

    — And yes, I respect the people of the Donbass to have “self-determination”. But that means *all* the people. I.e. the right of Ukrainians in the Donbass, to *not* get booted out of their nation.
     
    It's the Kievan region that seceded from the elected Ukrainian government. I support their right to do that. I do not support their right to force the Donbass to go along with them.

    AD also wrote:

    As I have pointed out to you before, even the most “Russian” Oblasts are not “Russian”. They are very mixed both linguistically (more Russian) and ethnically (maybe even majority Ukrainian). And the mix is that you have some Russian dominated cities and Ukrainian dominated outlying areas. It’s a recipe for conflict:

    (And this map overstates the politics, because many ethnic Ukrainians speak Russian. And probably even a good many Russian speaking ethnic Russians, didn’t/don’t want to be annexed by Russia.)

    And in that conflict, I’ll side with the countryside.
     
    I side with human beings.

    If most people in Donetsk oblast do not want to be governed from Kiev, Kiev should not start killing them, as it did.

    And if the people in the countryside do not want to be ruled from the city of Donetsk, by all means let them secede.

    You know my slogan: Secession today! Secession tomorrow! Secession forever!

    Kinda a logical consequence of being an anarchist, you know.

    But Kiev would not accept any sort of secession at all -- except, of course, Kiev's own secession from the legally elected government of Ukraine, with assistance from the US Deep State.

    Glad to see you are coming around on the secession issue, AD. We'll make a philosophical anarchist out of you yet!

    But, for now, what we really need is not Tolkienist anarchism in Eastern Europe but just an end to the killing.

    Kiev and Moscow were close to a negotiated peace in April, but, reportedly, BoJo the clown, at the behest of the US Deep State, scotched it.

    This is going to end in a negotiated peace -- the Donbass free of Kiev and a neutral rump Ukraine.

    Better to reach that result sooner rather than later.

    The killing must stop.
  94. @Cagey Beast
    The Russians are going to find this whole thing to be a hoot. It's yet another own-goal by the "Anglo-Saxon" empire:

    First openly trans US Army officer arrested as ‘Russian spy’
    A Maryland couple was charged for offering medical secrets to an undercover FBI agent
    https://www.rt.com/news/563765-trans-army-spy-russia/

    It's bitterly ironic to see the Russians and other continental Europeans refer to the Five Eyes countries as "Anglo-Saxon". That's a holdover from the last century. Things have changed since then.

    But for those of us who inherited this Anglosphere of ours, at what point do we stop and ask ourselves whether our critics have a point? I mean how long can my fellow conservatives keep living off Cold War nostalgia and Churchill's thought blocking cliché about our system being "the worst, except for all the others"?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    But for those of us who inherited this Anglosphere of ours, at what point do we stop and ask ourselves whether our critics have a point? I mean how long can my fellow conservatives keep living off Cold War nostalgia and Churchill’s thought blocking cliché about our system being “the worst, except for all the others”?

    We’re definitely an occupied nation, with a treasonous elite, pushing a degenerate culture. No serious doubt about those points.

    Our “great power” critics are no picnic either.

    Russia–LOL. Stupid wars–to keep some muzzies *in* and then bash your brother slavs. Illegal muzzie immigration from the ‘stans. Low fertility of your core national population and brain drain.

    China–who I really do expect to inherit the future. “Zero covid” disaster. This stupid desire to boss around Taiwan instead of just letting those people be. Tibet, the Uighurs (best to just leave ’em alone or cut ’em loose.) Absolute–ridiculous–sloth ending the one-child stupidity. Cratered dysgenic fertility. And Xi–having made a hash of covid–clinging to power demanding a third term instead of slinking off into a much deserved retirement.

    the Muzzzies — LOL. An ideology that actually does environmentally subtract IQ points.

    Latin Amercia — ‘nuf said.

    India — oh, please. Population growth with dysgenic fertility, brain drain, rising muzzie share. India’s going nowhere.

    Really, while there is no one else as treasonous as the “Anglo-Saxons”–LOL, check out Biden’s cabinet–it’s just not a pretty picture out there.

    Orban is the one guy I see among leaders in white nations who seems to understand his job. Maybe the Japanese are doing ok as well. (But I’m not Japanese.)

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @AnotherDad

    Since at least the Eighties, conservatism in the Five Eyes countries got warped and perverted by financialisation*. It happened to the economies of the leading countries and so mainstream conservatism everywhere in the Anglosphere followed along.

    Talk radio hosts and opinion page writers got it 2nd and 3rd hand and then spent the last four decades getting that world view right down to the grassroots. The sons and grandsons of farmers and white & blue collar workers who had no love for bankers learned to have no time for anyone who spoke ill of them.

    Financialisation plus the growth of the American military industrial complex were like weeds that choked out any other way to be conservative or patriotic.

    Add on top of that the libertarian / libertine stuff that consumerism demands. It gives some sort of intellectual gloss to selfishness and grubby lifestyles. Totally warped our political cultures.

    That's what the continental European right has against the "Anglo-Saxons", as Orban, Putin and the others call us. I sympathize with them, obviously.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financialization

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    , @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to Cagey Beast:


    We’re definitely an occupied nation, with a treasonous elite, pushing a degenerate culture. No serious doubt about those points.

    Our “great power” critics are no picnic either.
     
    Governments -- all governments -- are no damn good.

    The American Republic, in the non-slave states, was not all that bad, though, if you know details of American history, there was a great deal of corruption even back then. But it did not matter that much since government was so much smaller.

    Which is why I am a "Tolkienist": let's have a government like that in the Shire -- i.e., a government hardly noticeable at all.

    Glad to see you're coming around to philosophical anarchism, AD: there's hope for you yet!
  95. @JimDandy
    @Kylie

    Selective outrage? Biden's entire cabinet sells America out to a foreign power on a daily basis. Biden sold us out to foreign powers as VP and the hits keep coming.

    Replies: @Kylie

    “Selective outrage? Biden’s entire cabinet sells America out to a foreign power on a daily basis. Biden sold us out to foreign powers as VP and the hits keep coming.”

    There is nothing selective about my outrage, I assure you. It covers 99.999% of what the leftist rule permits, encourages and enables in what was formerly our country. But again, I think I wasn’t sufficiently clear. The Biden administration’s malfeasance is on the political end of the spectrum.

    I object to these two degenerates specifically on a cultural basis. I don’t even care if they’ve broken any laws. I’m tired of the 24/7 freak show in this country. It disgusts me.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  96. @ValeryKarpin
    I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good.

    Russia is in the right in this special military operation and anyone with a pulse and a working brain can see that. I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.

    Despite the alleged setbacks that the Western Media pointlessly propagandizes Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that's not annexed to the Russian Federation. Good.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @HA

    Russia is a paper tiger. All they have is nuclear threats. I was rooting for them in the beginning but at this point I just want someone to take out Putin. Russia lost and they don’t have a moral right to destroy the world in a tantrum.

    • Agree: notsaying
  97. @ValeryKarpin
    I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good.

    Russia is in the right in this special military operation and anyone with a pulse and a working brain can see that. I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.

    Despite the alleged setbacks that the Western Media pointlessly propagandizes Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that's not annexed to the Russian Federation. Good.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @HA

    “Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that’s not annexed to the Russian Federation.”

    Guaranteed, huh? Let’s compare that prediction with the one you yourself made some five months ago on Apr 28:

    The great thing about this war is that it has shown that Russia is far STRONGER militarily than anybody on earth had ever thought before…now it looks like the war has gone so unexpectedly well that they will take Kiev within one month, and either have a Ukrainian government that’s 100% allied with Russia, or even just annex the country to the Russian federation. Good.

    Given how well that one turned out, I’m not altogether impressed with any current guarantees or predictions you might have to offer. As I’ve noted previously, if this exemplifies the grip that you and the other fanboys have on reality, it helps explain why you’re such big fans of Putin. Maybe it’ll at least shut up the likes of PhysicistDave and his ilk the next time they want to pretend no one around here is pro-Russian (though I’d be as big a fool as you if I were to predict that’s remotely likely to happen).

  98. @AnotherDad
    @Cagey Beast


    But for those of us who inherited this Anglosphere of ours, at what point do we stop and ask ourselves whether our critics have a point? I mean how long can my fellow conservatives keep living off Cold War nostalgia and Churchill’s thought blocking cliché about our system being “the worst, except for all the others”?
     
    We're definitely an occupied nation, with a treasonous elite, pushing a degenerate culture. No serious doubt about those points.

    Our "great power" critics are no picnic either.

    Russia--LOL. Stupid wars--to keep some muzzies *in* and then bash your brother slavs. Illegal muzzie immigration from the 'stans. Low fertility of your core national population and brain drain.

    China--who I really do expect to inherit the future. "Zero covid" disaster. This stupid desire to boss around Taiwan instead of just letting those people be. Tibet, the Uighurs (best to just leave 'em alone or cut 'em loose.) Absolute--ridiculous--sloth ending the one-child stupidity. Cratered dysgenic fertility. And Xi--having made a hash of covid--clinging to power demanding a third term instead of slinking off into a much deserved retirement.

    the Muzzzies -- LOL. An ideology that actually does environmentally subtract IQ points.

    Latin Amercia -- 'nuf said.

    India -- oh, please. Population growth with dysgenic fertility, brain drain, rising muzzie share. India's going nowhere.


    Really, while there is no one else as treasonous as the "Anglo-Saxons"--LOL, check out Biden's cabinet--it's just not a pretty picture out there.

    Orban is the one guy I see among leaders in white nations who seems to understand his job. Maybe the Japanese are doing ok as well. (But I'm not Japanese.)

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @PhysicistDave

    Since at least the Eighties, conservatism in the Five Eyes countries got warped and perverted by financialisation*. It happened to the economies of the leading countries and so mainstream conservatism everywhere in the Anglosphere followed along.

    Talk radio hosts and opinion page writers got it 2nd and 3rd hand and then spent the last four decades getting that world view right down to the grassroots. The sons and grandsons of farmers and white & blue collar workers who had no love for bankers learned to have no time for anyone who spoke ill of them.

    Financialisation plus the growth of the American military industrial complex were like weeds that choked out any other way to be conservative or patriotic.

    Add on top of that the libertarian / libertine stuff that consumerism demands. It gives some sort of intellectual gloss to selfishness and grubby lifestyles. Totally warped our political cultures.

    That’s what the continental European right has against the “Anglo-Saxons”, as Orban, Putin and the others call us. I sympathize with them, obviously.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financialization

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    Anglo-Saxons attacking the pipeline:

    https://twitter.com/GramanhFolcwald/status/1575887925438738433

    I have no idea where that picture came from or if someone created in the hours since Putin's speech.

    Anyway, "Anglo-Saxon" is still the name many Europeans give the US / UK, despite both countries now being proudly post-WASP.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  99. “The choice is being healthy or sick.”

    Or go full retard and deny biological reality.

    “Trust the science!”, except when it doesn’t fit a current year narrative.

    I wonder if it hedged its decision and kept its male genitalia.

  100. To me, the views expressed in this are indistinguishable from those of Jack D, Steve Sailer or HA:
    What if We’re Already Fighting the Third World War with Russia?
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-bidens-washington/what-if-were-already-fighting-the-third-world-war-with-russia

    Might as well cut out the middlemen and get it straight from the Blob.

  101. @JimDandy
    @epebble

    A good American should be absolutely aghast at this kind of rhetoric (from Putin's latest speech):

    "They're crazy. I want to speak to all Russian citizens, do we want to replace mum and dad with parent 1 and 2? They invented genders and claim you can 'transition'. Do we want this for our children?

    We have a different vision.

    They have abandoned religion and embraced Satanism.
    The world is going through a revolutionary transformation. A multipolar world offers nations freedom to develop as they wish and they make up the majority of the world."

    Replies: @HA

    A good American should be absolutely aghast at this kind of rhetoric (from Putin’s latest speech)…

    Ah yes, and there’s one more down the chute about how we should all believe Putin’s speeches and have faith in his rhetoric. To that end, let’s replay the speech he gave on Woman’s Day, in early March:

    I’d like to address the mothers, wives, sisters, brides and girlfriends of our soldiers and officers who are in battle now to defend Russia… I know how worried you are for your loved ones,… I stress, conscripted soldiers are not will not be involved in combat operations, nor will there be an additional mobilization of reserves…

    How’d that promise work out right about now, given Putin’s latest mobilization? But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that’s the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose. As messed up as those two traitors are, I see they have plenty of company in this comment section. Peas in a pod.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to JimDandy:


    But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that’s the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose.
     
    Putin is a politician, little buddy!

    No sane person thinks that politicians always tell the truth, much less accepts them as "saviors."

    But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end.

    And that means Kiev cannot win -- their only hope was that Russia throws in the towel.

    And the ugly facts that you so fear still stand -- the US orchestrated the 2014 putsch in Kiev, the Donbass declined to lick the boots of the new puppet regime, the puppet regime, with US encouragement and material support, therefore launched a murderous war against the people of the Donbass, and, finally, early this year Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will end it and free the Donbass, albeit at great cost to Russia.

    Let us hope he succeeds in ending it soon.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @HA, @JimDandy, @Mr. Anon

    , @JimDandy
    @HA

    Your strawmen and red herrings are all you have, hasbara. You are a propagandist for a deranged death cult.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/globalists-are-marching-us-relentlessly-toward-nuclear-armageddon-warns-former-senator

  102. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    You lack any and all mental abilities if you can't see that some people here are pro-Russian when they openly announce it. There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can't recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian, the only member of the US military known to pass information to Russians during the Russian-Ukraine war, a tranny who also tried to see if he could volunteer for the Russian Army.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Fluesterwitz, @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.

    No, I have not seen that — can you link to it?

    In any case, that is rare — most of us are pro-peaces, not pro-Russia or pro-Putin. Above all, a lot of us would like to defeat the US Deep State so that we can restore the American Republic — you know, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all that?

    Alyosha also wrote:

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can’t recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian…

    Did I deny that? Although it appears that he was actually manipulated by a (more than slightly crazy!) wife.

    In any case, I doubt he was a commenter here. And it seems exceedingly unlikely, to quote from your original comment that:

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!

    You have not shown that there is a “pro-Russian faction” here: you are now just claiming there is one guy who wants dead Ukrainians.

    Not exactly a “faction.”

    Are you in middle school? Or does Kiev pay you?

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    You must be in kindergarten then, according to your own logic and general abilities. Again, that guy I was referring to said he was pro Russian and said he was Pro-Putin and said so in multiple threads in sometime around March and April. I can't remember his exact name right now but I could probably find him if I spent a large amount of time crawling through old posts with hundreds of comments each or over a thousand.

    However the important thing is that you've claimed in this commenting section that "I haven’t noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian." I can very easily show that a Pro-Russian to you in this very commenting section.

    There is a user called Valery Karpin who's posted in this commenting section, as well as many other posts. Let's see what he's commented in this post.

    "ValeryKarpin says:

    I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good.

    Russia is in the right in this special military operation and anyone with a pulse and a working brain can see that. I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.

    Despite the alleged setbacks that the Western Media pointlessly propagandizes Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that’s not annexed to the Russian Federation. Good."

    You might not have the ability to realize that when he says that " I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.
    " and "I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good." That he is saying that he is pro-Russian. But whether you'll admit it or you're so obtuse and/or in denial that you won't admit it, he is obviously pro-Russian.

    For more proof if you're still in childish denial, he said on a separate post on September 15th: "I deserve to have a reason for why you approved literally hundreds of comments, over 300, before you approved mine, despite the fact that my comment was one of the very first 25 on this post and made before 300 others, yet you skipped it over 300 times before posting it. Is it because of my Russian name, Valery, or pro-Russian viewpoint? Presumably both?"

    If somebody explicitly announcing that they have a Pro-Russian viewpoint in multiple posts, one time saying they are rooting for Russia and another time literally saying that they have a Pro-Russian viewpoint, I don't know what to tell you.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @Rob
    @PhysicistDave

    Dave, the guy who variously said Russia should slaughter all the men, a good chunk of the women, or starve the Ukrainians was Zero Philosopher (not sure of spacing or caps). He also thinks methamphetamine should be legal.

    Here’s part of a comment on Ukraine:


    Putin should just declare war and go straight to the jugular: wipe all Ukranian citiees from off the face of the Earth, starve the remaining Ukranians to death and ruthlessly kill any U.S supply convoy or of it’s satellites to send a clear message that the U.S is not allowed to aid Ukraine in this war. And no, the U.S is not going to war with Russia if Russia bombs and kills a few dozen Americans who were aiding the Ukranians when it is made clear that they were aiding the Ukrainians. The U.S won’t do shit about it, and we know that it’s true.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-mag-is-the-age-of-conquest-still-over/#comment-5553987

    Another

    How Russia can end this in one month:

    1. Bomb their power plants, supermarkets and food supplies.
    2. Level their cities to the ground with heavy artillary and don’t bother actually taking the cities. Let disease and famine do the heavy lifting for you.
    3. Do precision strikes, but not against Ukranian supply trucks, but rather against NATO trucks and other suppliers that are what is keeping Ukraine in this war. Cutting off external aid is essential.

    This is what I would do if I were the Warchief of the Russian efforts. I have said it before and I’ll say it again: there are 12 year old boys playing Warcraft 3 that are better generals than Steve Sailer. I wouldn’t trust Steve Sailer to organize a middle school field trip, let alone a military campaign. The guy has literally no clue what he’s talking about.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/some-technical-details-on-how-the-ukrainians-pulled-off-their-strategic-feint/#comment-5544332

    Three is a trend: but honestly, he goes on in this vein a lot. Here are his comments if you want to judge. https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Zero+Philosopher
  103. @HA
    @JimDandy

    A good American should be absolutely aghast at this kind of rhetoric (from Putin’s latest speech)...

    Ah yes, and there's one more down the chute about how we should all believe Putin's speeches and have faith in his rhetoric. To that end, let's replay the speech he gave on Woman's Day, in early March:


    I'd like to address the mothers, wives, sisters, brides and girlfriends of our soldiers and officers who are in battle now to defend Russia... I know how worried you are for your loved ones,... I stress, conscripted soldiers are not will not be involved in combat operations, nor will there be an additional mobilization of reserves...
     
    How'd that promise work out right about now, given Putin's latest mobilization? But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that's the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose. As messed up as those two traitors are, I see they have plenty of company in this comment section. Peas in a pod.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to JimDandy:

    But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that’s the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose.

    Putin is a politician, little buddy!

    No sane person thinks that politicians always tell the truth, much less accepts them as “saviors.”

    But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end.

    And that means Kiev cannot win — their only hope was that Russia throws in the towel.

    And the ugly facts that you so fear still stand — the US orchestrated the 2014 putsch in Kiev, the Donbass declined to lick the boots of the new puppet regime, the puppet regime, with US encouragement and material support, therefore launched a murderous war against the people of the Donbass, and, finally, early this year Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will end it and free the Donbass, albeit at great cost to Russia.

    Let us hope he succeeds in ending it soon.

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end."

    It makes it clear to his trolls, maybe. To the rest of us, Putin's declarations are as believable as your insistence that you're only interested in peace or stopping the killing.

    Then again, if seeing this out to end actually refers to the end of Putin's tenure in the Kremlin, well, you might be on to something, but I guess we will indeed see.

    "You have not shown that there is a 'pro-Russian faction' here..."

    Still wanna double down on that after people like Valery "I am rooting for Russia in this conflict" Karpin have chimed in? Then again, you're the guy who kept assuring us this special military operation was a smashing success at every step of the way, and how has that turned out? Again, your grip on reality, such as it is, is at least consistent.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @JimDandy
    @PhysicistDave

    I looked up "hasbara" in the dictionary, and, sure enough, gigantic picture of HA.

    He is a member of an unhinged cult. What I don't get is how otherwise sane Americans are blithely enabling a potentially civilization-ending event.

    Replies: @HA

    , @Mr. Anon
    @PhysicistDave


    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to JimDandy:
     
    I don't think commenter HA is a hasbara troll. If he were, his comments would be more interesting and/or entertaining. HA is just one of our resident raving COVID hysterics and current-thing-supporting NPCs.
  104. @AnotherDad
    @Cagey Beast


    But for those of us who inherited this Anglosphere of ours, at what point do we stop and ask ourselves whether our critics have a point? I mean how long can my fellow conservatives keep living off Cold War nostalgia and Churchill’s thought blocking cliché about our system being “the worst, except for all the others”?
     
    We're definitely an occupied nation, with a treasonous elite, pushing a degenerate culture. No serious doubt about those points.

    Our "great power" critics are no picnic either.

    Russia--LOL. Stupid wars--to keep some muzzies *in* and then bash your brother slavs. Illegal muzzie immigration from the 'stans. Low fertility of your core national population and brain drain.

    China--who I really do expect to inherit the future. "Zero covid" disaster. This stupid desire to boss around Taiwan instead of just letting those people be. Tibet, the Uighurs (best to just leave 'em alone or cut 'em loose.) Absolute--ridiculous--sloth ending the one-child stupidity. Cratered dysgenic fertility. And Xi--having made a hash of covid--clinging to power demanding a third term instead of slinking off into a much deserved retirement.

    the Muzzzies -- LOL. An ideology that actually does environmentally subtract IQ points.

    Latin Amercia -- 'nuf said.

    India -- oh, please. Population growth with dysgenic fertility, brain drain, rising muzzie share. India's going nowhere.


    Really, while there is no one else as treasonous as the "Anglo-Saxons"--LOL, check out Biden's cabinet--it's just not a pretty picture out there.

    Orban is the one guy I see among leaders in white nations who seems to understand his job. Maybe the Japanese are doing ok as well. (But I'm not Japanese.)

    Replies: @Cagey Beast, @PhysicistDave

    AnotherDad wrote to Cagey Beast:

    We’re definitely an occupied nation, with a treasonous elite, pushing a degenerate culture. No serious doubt about those points.

    Our “great power” critics are no picnic either.

    Governments — all governments — are no damn good.

    The American Republic, in the non-slave states, was not all that bad, though, if you know details of American history, there was a great deal of corruption even back then. But it did not matter that much since government was so much smaller.

    Which is why I am a “Tolkienist”: let’s have a government like that in the Shire — i.e., a government hardly noticeable at all.

    Glad to see you’re coming around to philosophical anarchism, AD: there’s hope for you yet!

  105. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to JimDandy:


    But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that’s the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose.
     
    Putin is a politician, little buddy!

    No sane person thinks that politicians always tell the truth, much less accepts them as "saviors."

    But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end.

    And that means Kiev cannot win -- their only hope was that Russia throws in the towel.

    And the ugly facts that you so fear still stand -- the US orchestrated the 2014 putsch in Kiev, the Donbass declined to lick the boots of the new puppet regime, the puppet regime, with US encouragement and material support, therefore launched a murderous war against the people of the Donbass, and, finally, early this year Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will end it and free the Donbass, albeit at great cost to Russia.

    Let us hope he succeeds in ending it soon.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @HA, @JimDandy, @Mr. Anon

    “But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end.”

    It makes it clear to his trolls, maybe. To the rest of us, Putin’s declarations are as believable as your insistence that you’re only interested in peace or stopping the killing.

    Then again, if seeing this out to end actually refers to the end of Putin’s tenure in the Kremlin, well, you might be on to something, but I guess we will indeed see.

    “You have not shown that there is a ‘pro-Russian faction’ here…”

    Still wanna double down on that after people like Valery “I am rooting for Russia in this conflict” Karpin have chimed in? Then again, you’re the guy who kept assuring us this special military operation was a smashing success at every step of the way, and how has that turned out? Again, your grip on reality, such as it is, is at least consistent.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara asked me:


    Then again, you’re the guy who kept assuring us this special military operation was a smashing success at every step of the way, and how has that turned out?
     
    Well... let's see....

    Putin crushed the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Mariupol. He controls Mariupol and Kherson. Russia is quite obviously ahead "on points."

    But, as I keep saying, you do not win a war simply by taking territory. You win a war by creating a situation in which the other side is either unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    I was actually talking about the situation with a Russian immigrant I met the other day: he thinks that, for reasons related to the Russian Federation constitution, Putin's hands were tied in the SMO. But now that the Donbass will be part of the Russian Federation, Kievan troops will be on Russian territory, and the guy I was chatting with thinks the gloves will be off.

    May be a tough winter for the Kievan regime. If you are still over there, little buddy, you really need to get out.

    Now.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @HA

  106. @Cagey Beast
    @AnotherDad

    Since at least the Eighties, conservatism in the Five Eyes countries got warped and perverted by financialisation*. It happened to the economies of the leading countries and so mainstream conservatism everywhere in the Anglosphere followed along.

    Talk radio hosts and opinion page writers got it 2nd and 3rd hand and then spent the last four decades getting that world view right down to the grassroots. The sons and grandsons of farmers and white & blue collar workers who had no love for bankers learned to have no time for anyone who spoke ill of them.

    Financialisation plus the growth of the American military industrial complex were like weeds that choked out any other way to be conservative or patriotic.

    Add on top of that the libertarian / libertine stuff that consumerism demands. It gives some sort of intellectual gloss to selfishness and grubby lifestyles. Totally warped our political cultures.

    That's what the continental European right has against the "Anglo-Saxons", as Orban, Putin and the others call us. I sympathize with them, obviously.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financialization

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Anglo-Saxons attacking the pipeline:

    https://twitter.com/GramanhFolcwald/status/1575887925438738433

    I have no idea where that picture came from or if someone created in the hours since Putin’s speech.

    Anyway, “Anglo-Saxon” is still the name many Europeans give the US / UK, despite both countries now being proudly post-WASP.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    Anglo-Saxon pride worldwide:

    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1575944377548959744

    There's apparently a bumper sticker in the South that says "we should have picked our own cotton". There should be one in the WASP enclaves that says "we should have milled our own cotton". The Ellis Island Americans, like Biden, have turned out to be vipers for "y'all".

    Replies: @Alyosha

  107. @HA
    @JimDandy

    A good American should be absolutely aghast at this kind of rhetoric (from Putin’s latest speech)...

    Ah yes, and there's one more down the chute about how we should all believe Putin's speeches and have faith in his rhetoric. To that end, let's replay the speech he gave on Woman's Day, in early March:


    I'd like to address the mothers, wives, sisters, brides and girlfriends of our soldiers and officers who are in battle now to defend Russia... I know how worried you are for your loved ones,... I stress, conscripted soldiers are not will not be involved in combat operations, nor will there be an additional mobilization of reserves...
     
    How'd that promise work out right about now, given Putin's latest mobilization? But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that's the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose. As messed up as those two traitors are, I see they have plenty of company in this comment section. Peas in a pod.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

    Your strawmen and red herrings are all you have, hasbara. You are a propagandist for a deranged death cult.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/globalists-are-marching-us-relentlessly-toward-nuclear-armageddon-warns-former-senator

  108. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to JimDandy:


    But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that’s the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose.
     
    Putin is a politician, little buddy!

    No sane person thinks that politicians always tell the truth, much less accepts them as "saviors."

    But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end.

    And that means Kiev cannot win -- their only hope was that Russia throws in the towel.

    And the ugly facts that you so fear still stand -- the US orchestrated the 2014 putsch in Kiev, the Donbass declined to lick the boots of the new puppet regime, the puppet regime, with US encouragement and material support, therefore launched a murderous war against the people of the Donbass, and, finally, early this year Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will end it and free the Donbass, albeit at great cost to Russia.

    Let us hope he succeeds in ending it soon.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @HA, @JimDandy, @Mr. Anon

    I looked up “hasbara” in the dictionary, and, sure enough, gigantic picture of HA.

    He is a member of an unhinged cult. What I don’t get is how otherwise sane Americans are blithely enabling a potentially civilization-ending event.

    • Replies: @HA
    @JimDandy

    "What I don’t get is how otherwise sane Americans are blithely enabling a potentially civilization-ending event."

    So says the guy carrying water for Kremlin Gollum, the very individual who, in the scenario put forth, will push the big red button that ends civilization. But yeah, let's blame "the globalists" instead. Makes total sense! And you think my priorities are out of whack?

    Replies: @Brutusale

  109. Ukraine asserts:

  110. @JimDandy
    @PhysicistDave

    I looked up "hasbara" in the dictionary, and, sure enough, gigantic picture of HA.

    He is a member of an unhinged cult. What I don't get is how otherwise sane Americans are blithely enabling a potentially civilization-ending event.

    Replies: @HA

    “What I don’t get is how otherwise sane Americans are blithely enabling a potentially civilization-ending event.”

    So says the guy carrying water for Kremlin Gollum, the very individual who, in the scenario put forth, will push the big red button that ends civilization. But yeah, let’s blame “the globalists” instead. Makes total sense! And you think my priorities are out of whack?

    • Troll: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @HA


    So says the guy carrying water for Kremlin Golem, the very individual who, in the scenario put forth, will push the big red button that ends civilization. But yeah, let’s blame “the globalists” instead. Makes total sense! And you think my priorities are out of whack?
     
    FIFY
  111. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.
     
    No, I have not seen that -- can you link to it?

    In any case, that is rare -- most of us are pro-peaces, not pro-Russia or pro-Putin. Above all, a lot of us would like to defeat the US Deep State so that we can restore the American Republic -- you know, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all that?

    Alyosha also wrote:

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can’t recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian...
     
    Did I deny that? Although it appears that he was actually manipulated by a (more than slightly crazy!) wife.

    In any case, I doubt he was a commenter here. And it seems exceedingly unlikely, to quote from your original comment that:

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!
     
    You have not shown that there is a "pro-Russian faction" here: you are now just claiming there is one guy who wants dead Ukrainians.

    Not exactly a "faction."

    Are you in middle school? Or does Kiev pay you?

    Replies: @Alyosha, @Rob

    You must be in kindergarten then, according to your own logic and general abilities. Again, that guy I was referring to said he was pro Russian and said he was Pro-Putin and said so in multiple threads in sometime around March and April. I can’t remember his exact name right now but I could probably find him if I spent a large amount of time crawling through old posts with hundreds of comments each or over a thousand.

    However the important thing is that you’ve claimed in this commenting section that “I haven’t noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian.” I can very easily show that a Pro-Russian to you in this very commenting section.

    There is a user called Valery Karpin who’s posted in this commenting section, as well as many other posts. Let’s see what he’s commented in this post.

    “ValeryKarpin says:

    I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good.

    Russia is in the right in this special military operation and anyone with a pulse and a working brain can see that. I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.

    Despite the alleged setbacks that the Western Media pointlessly propagandizes Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that’s not annexed to the Russian Federation. Good.”

    You might not have the ability to realize that when he says that ” I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.
    ” and “I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good.” That he is saying that he is pro-Russian. But whether you’ll admit it or you’re so obtuse and/or in denial that you won’t admit it, he is obviously pro-Russian.

    For more proof if you’re still in childish denial, he said on a separate post on September 15th: “I deserve to have a reason for why you approved literally hundreds of comments, over 300, before you approved mine, despite the fact that my comment was one of the very first 25 on this post and made before 300 others, yet you skipped it over 300 times before posting it. Is it because of my Russian name, Valery, or pro-Russian viewpoint? Presumably both?”

    If somebody explicitly announcing that they have a Pro-Russian viewpoint in multiple posts, one time saying they are rooting for Russia and another time literally saying that they have a Pro-Russian viewpoint, I don’t know what to tell you.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    However the important thing is that you’ve claimed in this commenting section that “I haven’t noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian.” I can very easily show that a Pro-Russian to you in this very commenting section.
     
    Fine -- so you have shown one guy.

    One guy does not make, as you claimed, a faction.

    The US has poured tens of billions into a corrupt puppet regime in Kiev that has been killing a lot of people in the Donbass for eight years prior to Putin's intervention early this year.

    Are you willing to condemn that corrupt and murderous regime and the US Deep State for installing and supporting that puppet regime?

    If you are not, I have trouble taking any of your criticisms of other commenters seriously.

    And are you willing to call for a negotiated peace to end the killing?

    Kinda a crucial question, eh?

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @Alyosha

  112. @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end."

    It makes it clear to his trolls, maybe. To the rest of us, Putin's declarations are as believable as your insistence that you're only interested in peace or stopping the killing.

    Then again, if seeing this out to end actually refers to the end of Putin's tenure in the Kremlin, well, you might be on to something, but I guess we will indeed see.

    "You have not shown that there is a 'pro-Russian faction' here..."

    Still wanna double down on that after people like Valery "I am rooting for Russia in this conflict" Karpin have chimed in? Then again, you're the guy who kept assuring us this special military operation was a smashing success at every step of the way, and how has that turned out? Again, your grip on reality, such as it is, is at least consistent.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    My little buddy HAsbara asked me:

    Then again, you’re the guy who kept assuring us this special military operation was a smashing success at every step of the way, and how has that turned out?

    Well… let’s see….

    Putin crushed the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Mariupol. He controls Mariupol and Kherson. Russia is quite obviously ahead “on points.”

    But, as I keep saying, you do not win a war simply by taking territory. You win a war by creating a situation in which the other side is either unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    I was actually talking about the situation with a Russian immigrant I met the other day: he thinks that, for reasons related to the Russian Federation constitution, Putin’s hands were tied in the SMO. But now that the Donbass will be part of the Russian Federation, Kievan troops will be on Russian territory, and the guy I was chatting with thinks the gloves will be off.

    May be a tough winter for the Kievan regime. If you are still over there, little buddy, you really need to get out.

    Now.

    The killing must stop.

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @PhysicistDave

    Just don't come to the United States. Go to Nigeria.

    , @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "Putin crushed the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Mariupol. He controls Mariupol and Kherson. Russia is quite obviously ahead 'on points.'”

    Face it. He was wrong about the Ukrainians caving in after 3 days, he was wrong about the West giving up and forgetting this after a few weeks, and he was wrong that no military conscription would be needed to carry out this special little operation of his. I could go on, because it's a long list, but that's good enough.

    Had he been proven correct about of any of that, one could argue (stupidly, I'd say, but one could at least make the argument) that he knows his neighborhood better than we do and we should just leave him be. But given that he keeps being proven wrong, it's time to stop giving him a pass and stop pretending he knows what he's doing. He doesn't. Everyone else is just holding firm to their agreements they made to Ukraine once it was clear they weren't gonna cave -- whereas he's the one who keeps revising and upping his. Even China and India are starting to waver. Even some of his own stooges are starting to suspect that despite the lights being on, nothing much is going on in the Kremlin. If you want to pretend that the West is escalating, you go ahead, but no one other than his fanboys are that willfully blind.

    If this were only about "points", fine -- he could have tucked his tail between his legs, went back home, and crowed about how he was able to stand up to NATO. Clearly, the "we're still ahead on points" argument is yet another deep whiff of copium.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  113. @JimDandy
    @epebble

    A good American should want what's best for Americans.

    Replies: @anonymous

    A good American should want what’s best for Americans.

    The best outcome for Americans is probably Russia prevailing over the GAE in the Ukraine.

  114. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    There was one guy who posted on multiple isteve threads that you were in that not only announced that he was rooting for Putin and Russia but that he also wished that Russia would kill as many pro-Ukraine Ukrainian civilians as possible, armed or not, to show that they were serious.
     
    No, I have not seen that -- can you link to it?

    In any case, that is rare -- most of us are pro-peaces, not pro-Russia or pro-Putin. Above all, a lot of us would like to defeat the US Deep State so that we can restore the American Republic -- you know, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all that?

    Alyosha also wrote:

    Maybe you are so obtuse that you can’t recognize that this tranny is pro-Russian...
     
    Did I deny that? Although it appears that he was actually manipulated by a (more than slightly crazy!) wife.

    In any case, I doubt he was a commenter here. And it seems exceedingly unlikely, to quote from your original comment that:

    Maybe this is representative of the pro-Russian and relatively pro-Russian factions of Unz commentators too!
     
    You have not shown that there is a "pro-Russian faction" here: you are now just claiming there is one guy who wants dead Ukrainians.

    Not exactly a "faction."

    Are you in middle school? Or does Kiev pay you?

    Replies: @Alyosha, @Rob

    Dave, the guy who variously said Russia should slaughter all the men, a good chunk of the women, or starve the Ukrainians was Zero Philosopher (not sure of spacing or caps). He also thinks methamphetamine should be legal.

    Here’s part of a comment on Ukraine:

    Putin should just declare war and go straight to the jugular: wipe all Ukranian citiees from off the face of the Earth, starve the remaining Ukranians to death and ruthlessly kill any U.S supply convoy or of it’s satellites to send a clear message that the U.S is not allowed to aid Ukraine in this war. And no, the U.S is not going to war with Russia if Russia bombs and kills a few dozen Americans who were aiding the Ukranians when it is made clear that they were aiding the Ukrainians. The U.S won’t do shit about it, and we know that it’s true.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-mag-is-the-age-of-conquest-still-over/#comment-5553987

    Another

    How Russia can end this in one month:

    1. Bomb their power plants, supermarkets and food supplies.
    2. Level their cities to the ground with heavy artillary and don’t bother actually taking the cities. Let disease and famine do the heavy lifting for you.
    3. Do precision strikes, but not against Ukranian supply trucks, but rather against NATO trucks and other suppliers that are what is keeping Ukraine in this war. Cutting off external aid is essential.

    This is what I would do if I were the Warchief of the Russian efforts. I have said it before and I’ll say it again: there are 12 year old boys playing Warcraft 3 that are better generals than Steve Sailer. I wouldn’t trust Steve Sailer to organize a middle school field trip, let alone a military campaign. The guy has literally no clue what he’s talking about.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/some-technical-details-on-how-the-ukrainians-pulled-off-their-strategic-feint/#comment-5544332

    Three is a trend: but honestly, he goes on in this vein a lot. Here are his comments if you want to judge. https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Zero+Philosopher

  115. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    You must be in kindergarten then, according to your own logic and general abilities. Again, that guy I was referring to said he was pro Russian and said he was Pro-Putin and said so in multiple threads in sometime around March and April. I can't remember his exact name right now but I could probably find him if I spent a large amount of time crawling through old posts with hundreds of comments each or over a thousand.

    However the important thing is that you've claimed in this commenting section that "I haven’t noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian." I can very easily show that a Pro-Russian to you in this very commenting section.

    There is a user called Valery Karpin who's posted in this commenting section, as well as many other posts. Let's see what he's commented in this post.

    "ValeryKarpin says:

    I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good.

    Russia is in the right in this special military operation and anyone with a pulse and a working brain can see that. I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.

    Despite the alleged setbacks that the Western Media pointlessly propagandizes Russia will win this war before we see 2023, guaranteed, and Russia will have control over all of Ukraine or have a pro-Russian government in control of the west of Ukraine that’s not annexed to the Russian Federation. Good."

    You might not have the ability to realize that when he says that " I am rooting for Russia in this conflict and everyone else who wants to see the World become a better place should do so as well.
    " and "I bet there are civilian Americans and American teenagers and children who are pro-Russian as well. Good." That he is saying that he is pro-Russian. But whether you'll admit it or you're so obtuse and/or in denial that you won't admit it, he is obviously pro-Russian.

    For more proof if you're still in childish denial, he said on a separate post on September 15th: "I deserve to have a reason for why you approved literally hundreds of comments, over 300, before you approved mine, despite the fact that my comment was one of the very first 25 on this post and made before 300 others, yet you skipped it over 300 times before posting it. Is it because of my Russian name, Valery, or pro-Russian viewpoint? Presumably both?"

    If somebody explicitly announcing that they have a Pro-Russian viewpoint in multiple posts, one time saying they are rooting for Russia and another time literally saying that they have a Pro-Russian viewpoint, I don't know what to tell you.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    However the important thing is that you’ve claimed in this commenting section that “I haven’t noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian.” I can very easily show that a Pro-Russian to you in this very commenting section.

    Fine — so you have shown one guy.

    One guy does not make, as you claimed, a faction.

    The US has poured tens of billions into a corrupt puppet regime in Kiev that has been killing a lot of people in the Donbass for eight years prior to Putin’s intervention early this year.

    Are you willing to condemn that corrupt and murderous regime and the US Deep State for installing and supporting that puppet regime?

    If you are not, I have trouble taking any of your criticisms of other commenters seriously.

    And are you willing to call for a negotiated peace to end the killing?

    Kinda a crucial question, eh?

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    The United States should not have been giving Ukraine 10s of Billions of dollars. The 2014 EuroMaidan Coup was also bad and had bad consequences probably.

    However this does not excuse Russia's actions which have just as bad as in Ukraine and now that it's fighting a bloody outright war and annexing areas of Southern Ukraine etc. it is plainly way more of a bad actor in Ukraine than the United States.

    There are other pro-Russians besides that one guy including those who openly announce it in the comment section btw, but you've been slightly graceful in your last comment I will admit.

    The War must stop, the Killing must stop, and Russia can stop it any moment. It takes two to tango.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

  116. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    However the important thing is that you’ve claimed in this commenting section that “I haven’t noticed anyone here who is pro-Russian.” I can very easily show that a Pro-Russian to you in this very commenting section.
     
    Fine -- so you have shown one guy.

    One guy does not make, as you claimed, a faction.

    The US has poured tens of billions into a corrupt puppet regime in Kiev that has been killing a lot of people in the Donbass for eight years prior to Putin's intervention early this year.

    Are you willing to condemn that corrupt and murderous regime and the US Deep State for installing and supporting that puppet regime?

    If you are not, I have trouble taking any of your criticisms of other commenters seriously.

    And are you willing to call for a negotiated peace to end the killing?

    Kinda a crucial question, eh?

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    The United States should not have been giving Ukraine 10s of Billions of dollars. The 2014 EuroMaidan Coup was also bad and had bad consequences probably.

    However this does not excuse Russia’s actions which have just as bad as in Ukraine and now that it’s fighting a bloody outright war and annexing areas of Southern Ukraine etc. it is plainly way more of a bad actor in Ukraine than the United States.

    There are other pro-Russians besides that one guy including those who openly announce it in the comment section btw, but you’ve been slightly graceful in your last comment I will admit.

    The War must stop, the Killing must stop, and Russia can stop it any moment. It takes two to tango.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    The War must stop, the Killing must stop, and Russia can stop it any moment. It takes two to tango.
     
    The war was going on for eight years in the Donbass before Putin openly intervened on February 24.

    Putin cannot unilaterally end that war... except of course through unconditional victory. Or there can be a negotiated peace.

    If Putin just pulls out, Kiev will most assuredly go back to killing people in the Donbass, since they have never stopped killing people in the Donbass.

    We all know (even HAsbara knows!) how this is going to end: a negotiated peace with the Donbass not subject to Kiev and with a neutral rump regime in Kiev.

    So, why not negotiate that result now?

    Because the US Deep State really, really likes to see Slavs killing Slavs. US officials from Biden down have made clear that their real goal here is to destroy Russia.

    Moscow and Kiev were reportedly close to a negotiated peace in April, but then BoJo the clown scotched it.

    The monsters in the US Deep State need to be exposed for what they are, so that we can reach the negotiated peace that is inevitable in the end.

    But that would mean that Slavs stop killing Slavs, and the US Deep State does not want an end to the killing.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    , @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Tell that to the external cabal willing to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Alyosha

  117. @AnotherDad
    @PhysicistDave


    Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?
     
    Dave, you're drunk your Putin-Aid and are happy with it, so there is not much point in engaging.

    But just for the record:

    -- There was no 2014 "putsch".
    You're acting like Viktor Yanukovych is the only legitimate elected official. Yanukovych--widely viewed as corrupt--repeatedly promised to, but then refused to sign (Putin?) the deal with the EU that the parliament had overwhelming passed and was broadly popular. (You need only look at Poland vs Belarus to see why.) This led to massive protests, suppression, violence. Some sort of deal, Yanukovych fleeing and being impeached and expelled from office in another overwhelming vote of parliament. His own party repudiated him. And then Ukraine held another presidential election.

    It's the sort of dispute that would have been easily resolved--unremarkably--in a parliamentary system, with Yanukovych simply booted out, no muss, no fuss. From a simple political mechanics point of view, was move Yanukovych's departure from 2015, to 2014. He had zero chance of winning the next election and probably would not even have run. And they've had three more elections since your "putsch". (And the current guy Zelensky actually got higher vote totals in the East. His competition only one a few western districts.)

    But apparently to you the crappy corrupt Yanukovych is "the legitimate government of the Ukraine" or something, not the people who've won all the elections since he was kicked out.


    -- And yes, I respect the people of the Donbass to have "self-determination". But that means *all* the people. I.e. the right of Ukrainians in the Donbass, to *not* get booted out of their nation.

    And yeah, no one's mass "murdering" people in the Donbass. (Sure, i'm sure some people--on both sides--have killed people outside "the laws of war".) What happened there is Putin invaded with some puppet state armies, starting a war. And not

    As I have pointed out to you before, even the most "Russian" Oblasts are not "Russian". They are very mixed both linguistically (more Russian) and ethnically (maybe even majority Ukrainian). And the mix is that you have some Russian dominated cities and Ukrainian dominated outlying areas. It's a recipe for conflict:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Ukraine#/media/File:UkraineNativeLanguagesCensus2001detailed-en.png
    (And this map overstates the politics, because many ethnic Ukrainians speak Russian. And probably even a good many Russian speaking ethnic Russians, didn't/don't want to be annexed by Russia.)

    And in that conflict, I'll side with the countryside. They are core producers, and people who are not mobile. If you're an ethnic Russian bureaucrat or accountant or dentist or tradesman in Donetsk and you really can't stand being in Ukraine you can always pack up and move to Russia. It's huge and badly needs more Russians. (As Putin has done nothing about Russian fertility or the muzzie illegals flocking in the from the 'stans.) In contrast, the Ukrainian farmer in the sticks can not move, without losing his livelihood.

    I've made the analogy to Wisconsin. When we split, do Milwaukee and Madison get to drag Wisconsin into team Rainbow? No. The people throughout the Wisconsin get to decide. They get their choice--which will be America.

    It's this mixed situation in these eastern provinces that has kept the fighting going. Contrast with Crimea which is much more solidly Russian. The Ukrainians whine, but they also know that in Crimea, the people actually are--mostly--happy enough being in Russia. In the east, it's a muddle. So once Putin stirred it into open conflict ... there's conflict. It was rash, stupid and evil behavior on his part.

    Calm serious proposals and negotiations on status/levels-of-autonomy if he actually gave a shit about the actual people in the Donbass. Or just offers to the Russians there to come to Russia. Every last millimeter of territory is hardly important to Russia--it's huge. Russia's actual serious issues are the same as in the West--immigration driven demographic change and low/dysgenic fertility of the core national people. Starting this war was just useless stupidity that is bad for everyone.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    AnotherDad wrote to me:

    — There was no 2014 “putsch”.
    You’re acting like Viktor Yanukovych is the only legitimate elected official. Yanukovych–widely viewed as corrupt–repeatedly promised to, but then refused to sign (Putin?) the deal with the EU that the parliament had overwhelming passed and was broadly popular.

    The deal with the EU was popular in West Ukraine: Yanukovych’s crucial support was from East Ukraine, a region more oriented towards Russia. Russia made him an offer that Yanukovych preferred over the EU offer.

    Life happens.

    All those facts do not change the fact that there was a putsch orchestrated by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland in 2014 against the legitimate government of Ukraine.

    You are giving reasons for the putsch. There are always reasons for a putsch… or it would not happen.

    Doesn’t change the fact that it was a putsch.

    Look: I’m an anarchist and I have a deep love for secession. I don’t care that people in West Ukraine chose to overthrow their elected government (I do care that the US Deep State intervened).

    What I do care about is that when a lot of people in the Donbass chose not to go along with West Ukraine’s secession, the puppet regime started killing them.

    Secession? Yay! Mass murder? No!

    AD also wrote:

    — And yes, I respect the people of the Donbass to have “self-determination”. But that means *all* the people. I.e. the right of Ukrainians in the Donbass, to *not* get booted out of their nation.

    It’s the Kievan region that seceded from the elected Ukrainian government. I support their right to do that. I do not support their right to force the Donbass to go along with them.

    AD also wrote:

    As I have pointed out to you before, even the most “Russian” Oblasts are not “Russian”. They are very mixed both linguistically (more Russian) and ethnically (maybe even majority Ukrainian). And the mix is that you have some Russian dominated cities and Ukrainian dominated outlying areas. It’s a recipe for conflict:

    (And this map overstates the politics, because many ethnic Ukrainians speak Russian. And probably even a good many Russian speaking ethnic Russians, didn’t/don’t want to be annexed by Russia.)

    And in that conflict, I’ll side with the countryside.

    I side with human beings.

    If most people in Donetsk oblast do not want to be governed from Kiev, Kiev should not start killing them, as it did.

    And if the people in the countryside do not want to be ruled from the city of Donetsk, by all means let them secede.

    You know my slogan: Secession today! Secession tomorrow! Secession forever!

    Kinda a logical consequence of being an anarchist, you know.

    But Kiev would not accept any sort of secession at all — except, of course, Kiev’s own secession from the legally elected government of Ukraine, with assistance from the US Deep State.

    Glad to see you are coming around on the secession issue, AD. We’ll make a philosophical anarchist out of you yet!

    But, for now, what we really need is not Tolkienist anarchism in Eastern Europe but just an end to the killing.

    Kiev and Moscow were close to a negotiated peace in April, but, reportedly, BoJo the clown, at the behest of the US Deep State, scotched it.

    This is going to end in a negotiated peace — the Donbass free of Kiev and a neutral rump Ukraine.

    Better to reach that result sooner rather than later.

    The killing must stop.

  118. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    The United States should not have been giving Ukraine 10s of Billions of dollars. The 2014 EuroMaidan Coup was also bad and had bad consequences probably.

    However this does not excuse Russia's actions which have just as bad as in Ukraine and now that it's fighting a bloody outright war and annexing areas of Southern Ukraine etc. it is plainly way more of a bad actor in Ukraine than the United States.

    There are other pro-Russians besides that one guy including those who openly announce it in the comment section btw, but you've been slightly graceful in your last comment I will admit.

    The War must stop, the Killing must stop, and Russia can stop it any moment. It takes two to tango.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    The War must stop, the Killing must stop, and Russia can stop it any moment. It takes two to tango.

    The war was going on for eight years in the Donbass before Putin openly intervened on February 24.

    Putin cannot unilaterally end that war… except of course through unconditional victory. Or there can be a negotiated peace.

    If Putin just pulls out, Kiev will most assuredly go back to killing people in the Donbass, since they have never stopped killing people in the Donbass.

    We all know (even HAsbara knows!) how this is going to end: a negotiated peace with the Donbass not subject to Kiev and with a neutral rump regime in Kiev.

    So, why not negotiate that result now?

    Because the US Deep State really, really likes to see Slavs killing Slavs. US officials from Biden down have made clear that their real goal here is to destroy Russia.

    Moscow and Kiev were reportedly close to a negotiated peace in April, but then BoJo the clown scotched it.

    The monsters in the US Deep State need to be exposed for what they are, so that we can reach the negotiated peace that is inevitable in the end.

    But that would mean that Slavs stop killing Slavs, and the US Deep State does not want an end to the killing.

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    A lot of it is Central Asians killing Slavs. Diversity is Russia’s strength.

    Replies: @Anon

  119. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to JimDandy:


    But in spite of that, you still think good Americans should take your boy in Moscow at his word? Again, if that’s the kind of savior you believe in, even now, then it explains the side you chose.
     
    Putin is a politician, little buddy!

    No sane person thinks that politicians always tell the truth, much less accepts them as "saviors."

    But the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation does make clear that Putin is going to see this out to the end.

    And that means Kiev cannot win -- their only hope was that Russia throws in the towel.

    And the ugly facts that you so fear still stand -- the US orchestrated the 2014 putsch in Kiev, the Donbass declined to lick the boots of the new puppet regime, the puppet regime, with US encouragement and material support, therefore launched a murderous war against the people of the Donbass, and, finally, early this year Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will end it and free the Donbass, albeit at great cost to Russia.

    Let us hope he succeeds in ending it soon.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @HA, @JimDandy, @Mr. Anon

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to JimDandy:

    I don’t think commenter HA is a hasbara troll. If he were, his comments would be more interesting and/or entertaining. HA is just one of our resident raving COVID hysterics and current-thing-supporting NPCs.

  120. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    The United States should not have been giving Ukraine 10s of Billions of dollars. The 2014 EuroMaidan Coup was also bad and had bad consequences probably.

    However this does not excuse Russia's actions which have just as bad as in Ukraine and now that it's fighting a bloody outright war and annexing areas of Southern Ukraine etc. it is plainly way more of a bad actor in Ukraine than the United States.

    There are other pro-Russians besides that one guy including those who openly announce it in the comment section btw, but you've been slightly graceful in your last comment I will admit.

    The War must stop, the Killing must stop, and Russia can stop it any moment. It takes two to tango.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

    Tell that to the external cabal willing to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion. If the United States was not providing money and weapons to them then they wouldn't be doing quite as well, but I guarantee you that Ukrainians would still be trying to win the war against Russia.

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster, not because they wouldn't want to win the war and invasion by Russia against Ukraine.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anonymous

  121. @JimDandy
    @hhsiii

    How about if I put it this way: there is a dispute over the Donbas. Russia feels it belongs with Russia. When Zelensky bellowed that Ukraine was seeking nuclear weapons and NATO membership, Russia considered that a direct threat. Are you really willing to see the bodies of America's children melt in a nuclear holocaust over this? Either you are, or you're too stupid to think that has become a very real possibility.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    How about this: the guy threatening to melt my kids isn’t a bully?

    Some folks are so fixated on their own keen insight on the evils of our government that they want to polish Putin’s knob. And yes, it’s scary and I wish we weren’t involved.

    On another note, my wife is Russian. My father-in-law is visiting from Belarus. He was Red Army. When Steve posted those lines from Horatius at the Gate I thought which soldiers in this war might think they are fighting for hearth and home. Notwithstanding the Kievan Rus historical ties. My father-in-law is 72 and “visited” Prague in ‘68. But I doubt many 20 year-old Russians are keen on having to fight.

    By the way, that poem goes on to lament that Rome’s ability to fight waned when political factions strained their unity. Ironically, Russia has political unity, but that hasn’t apparently led to martial spirit in this fight.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @hhsiii

    I'm not keen on polishing Putin's knob, but his positions on this situation all strike me as very reasonable--from a Russian POV. It's common for people to say variations of "Americans that don't care about our own border security sure seem to care about Ukraine's." I'd kind of flip that--some Americans who sure care about America's border security can't seem to understand why Russia wants to secure theirs.

  122. @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Tell that to the external cabal willing to fight this war to the last Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion. If the United States was not providing money and weapons to them then they wouldn’t be doing quite as well, but I guarantee you that Ukrainians would still be trying to win the war against Russia.

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster, not because they wouldn’t want to win the war and invasion by Russia against Ukraine.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Is that why the Ukrainians were ready to cut a deal with Russia before the US and England told them not to?

    Replies: @HA, @Alyosha

    , @Anonymous
    @Alyosha


    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion.
     
    Have they enlisted?

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster.
     
    The faster the Zelensky regime fell to Russia, the less dying there would have been.

    Replies: @Alyosha, @HA

  123. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    The War must stop, the Killing must stop, and Russia can stop it any moment. It takes two to tango.
     
    The war was going on for eight years in the Donbass before Putin openly intervened on February 24.

    Putin cannot unilaterally end that war... except of course through unconditional victory. Or there can be a negotiated peace.

    If Putin just pulls out, Kiev will most assuredly go back to killing people in the Donbass, since they have never stopped killing people in the Donbass.

    We all know (even HAsbara knows!) how this is going to end: a negotiated peace with the Donbass not subject to Kiev and with a neutral rump regime in Kiev.

    So, why not negotiate that result now?

    Because the US Deep State really, really likes to see Slavs killing Slavs. US officials from Biden down have made clear that their real goal here is to destroy Russia.

    Moscow and Kiev were reportedly close to a negotiated peace in April, but then BoJo the clown scotched it.

    The monsters in the US Deep State need to be exposed for what they are, so that we can reach the negotiated peace that is inevitable in the end.

    But that would mean that Slavs stop killing Slavs, and the US Deep State does not want an end to the killing.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @hhsiii

    A lot of it is Central Asians killing Slavs. Diversity is Russia’s strength.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @hhsiii

    Well to be fair a lot Muslim Turkics killing Slavs, Muslim and Buddhist East Asian Mongoloids killing Slavs, Muslim Chechnyans killing Slavs, and many others including Central Asian Muslims killing slavs like you said.

  124. @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion. If the United States was not providing money and weapons to them then they wouldn't be doing quite as well, but I guarantee you that Ukrainians would still be trying to win the war against Russia.

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster, not because they wouldn't want to win the war and invasion by Russia against Ukraine.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anonymous

    Is that why the Ukrainians were ready to cut a deal with Russia before the US and England told them not to?

    • Replies: @HA
    @JimDandy

    "Is that why the Ukrainians were ready to cut a deal with Russia before the US and England told them not to?:

    Told them not to, or told them they didn't have to? If you think the Ukrainians are fighting only because the US and England are demanding it, you really are clueless.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    Again, to the degree they were willing to cut a deal it's not because they wanted to, it's because they thought that it was a deep evil but a necessary evil. I know many Ukrainians and also people who've visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding. Ukrainians hate Russians 10 times+ more, perhaps 100 times more than Americans or West Europeans hate Russians.

    Ukrainians see it as Ukraine vs Russia, they don't have the Western-centric viewpoint of Americans, Westerners, the EU, etc.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @PhysicistDave

  125. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara asked me:


    Then again, you’re the guy who kept assuring us this special military operation was a smashing success at every step of the way, and how has that turned out?
     
    Well... let's see....

    Putin crushed the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Mariupol. He controls Mariupol and Kherson. Russia is quite obviously ahead "on points."

    But, as I keep saying, you do not win a war simply by taking territory. You win a war by creating a situation in which the other side is either unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    I was actually talking about the situation with a Russian immigrant I met the other day: he thinks that, for reasons related to the Russian Federation constitution, Putin's hands were tied in the SMO. But now that the Donbass will be part of the Russian Federation, Kievan troops will be on Russian territory, and the guy I was chatting with thinks the gloves will be off.

    May be a tough winter for the Kievan regime. If you are still over there, little buddy, you really need to get out.

    Now.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @HA

    Just don’t come to the United States. Go to Nigeria.

  126. @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    A lot of it is Central Asians killing Slavs. Diversity is Russia’s strength.

    Replies: @Anon

    Well to be fair a lot Muslim Turkics killing Slavs, Muslim and Buddhist East Asian Mongoloids killing Slavs, Muslim Chechnyans killing Slavs, and many others including Central Asian Muslims killing slavs like you said.

  127. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion. If the United States was not providing money and weapons to them then they wouldn't be doing quite as well, but I guarantee you that Ukrainians would still be trying to win the war against Russia.

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster, not because they wouldn't want to win the war and invasion by Russia against Ukraine.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anonymous

    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion.

    Have they enlisted?

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster.

    The faster the Zelensky regime fell to Russia, the less dying there would have been.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @Anonymous

    "Have they enlisted?"

    Yes, actually, almost all of them have now, and enthusiastically. The ones who haven't are 40 years and older. They've sent me many pictures from the front lines and of themselves with all of their equipment etc.

    , @HA
    @Anonymous

    "The faster the Zelensky regime fell to Russia, the less dying there would have been."

    Tell that to the Buryats and Dagestanis who caved to the Russians long ago. Their boys still keep getting preferentially tossed into the meat grinder long after they acquiesced. When exactly is the dying supposed to lessen? Once they've brought Alaska home?

    No, if the "Zelensky regime" had fallen, their boys would be the ones being tossed into Putin's meat grinder and dying as it turned towards Transnistria or. Moldova or Georgia, or whatever other domino he wants to fall next.

    To the extent the Ukrainians have a chance of surviving Putin's predations, I suspect they'd rather keep on "not falling".

  128. @HA
    @JimDandy

    "What I don’t get is how otherwise sane Americans are blithely enabling a potentially civilization-ending event."

    So says the guy carrying water for Kremlin Gollum, the very individual who, in the scenario put forth, will push the big red button that ends civilization. But yeah, let's blame "the globalists" instead. Makes total sense! And you think my priorities are out of whack?

    Replies: @Brutusale

    So says the guy carrying water for Kremlin Golem, the very individual who, in the scenario put forth, will push the big red button that ends civilization. But yeah, let’s blame “the globalists” instead. Makes total sense! And you think my priorities are out of whack?

    FIFY

  129. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara asked me:


    Then again, you’re the guy who kept assuring us this special military operation was a smashing success at every step of the way, and how has that turned out?
     
    Well... let's see....

    Putin crushed the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Mariupol. He controls Mariupol and Kherson. Russia is quite obviously ahead "on points."

    But, as I keep saying, you do not win a war simply by taking territory. You win a war by creating a situation in which the other side is either unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    I was actually talking about the situation with a Russian immigrant I met the other day: he thinks that, for reasons related to the Russian Federation constitution, Putin's hands were tied in the SMO. But now that the Donbass will be part of the Russian Federation, Kievan troops will be on Russian territory, and the guy I was chatting with thinks the gloves will be off.

    May be a tough winter for the Kievan regime. If you are still over there, little buddy, you really need to get out.

    Now.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @HA

    “Putin crushed the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Mariupol. He controls Mariupol and Kherson. Russia is quite obviously ahead ‘on points.’”

    Face it. He was wrong about the Ukrainians caving in after 3 days, he was wrong about the West giving up and forgetting this after a few weeks, and he was wrong that no military conscription would be needed to carry out this special little operation of his. I could go on, because it’s a long list, but that’s good enough.

    Had he been proven correct about of any of that, one could argue (stupidly, I’d say, but one could at least make the argument) that he knows his neighborhood better than we do and we should just leave him be. But given that he keeps being proven wrong, it’s time to stop giving him a pass and stop pretending he knows what he’s doing. He doesn’t. Everyone else is just holding firm to their agreements they made to Ukraine once it was clear they weren’t gonna cave — whereas he’s the one who keeps revising and upping his. Even China and India are starting to waver. Even some of his own stooges are starting to suspect that despite the lights being on, nothing much is going on in the Kremlin. If you want to pretend that the West is escalating, you go ahead, but no one other than his fanboys are that willfully blind.

    If this were only about “points”, fine — he could have tucked his tail between his legs, went back home, and crowed about how he was able to stand up to NATO. Clearly, the “we’re still ahead on points” argument is yet another deep whiff of copium.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:


    Had [Putin] been proven correct about of any of that, one could argue (stupidly, I’d say, but one could at least make the argument) that he knows his neighborhood better than we do and we should just leave him be.
     
    This is not a prediction game, little buddy.

    It is war. And you win a war not by making predictions but by creating a situation in which the enemy is unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    If this were only about “points”, fine — he could have tucked his tail between his legs, went back home, and crowed about how he was able to stand up to NATO. Clearly, the “we’re still ahead on points” argument is yet another deep whiff of copium.
     
    You really do think this is fantasy football, don't you, little buddy?

    The Donbass is now part of Russia. It is hard to see how any Russian politician can ever give it up.

    And if Moscow chooses to relax the Rules of Engagement, they can easily do to Kiev what they did to Mariupol. And Lvov. And Odessa. And on and on and on.

    Let's hope the perverts who rule Ukraine and, more critically, their puppet masters in DC come to their senses before then and opt for a negotiated peace.

    If you are still over there, my friend, get out. Now.

    The killing must stop.
  130. @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    Anglo-Saxons attacking the pipeline:

    https://twitter.com/GramanhFolcwald/status/1575887925438738433

    I have no idea where that picture came from or if someone created in the hours since Putin's speech.

    Anyway, "Anglo-Saxon" is still the name many Europeans give the US / UK, despite both countries now being proudly post-WASP.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    Anglo-Saxon pride worldwide:

    There’s apparently a bumper sticker in the South that says “we should have picked our own cotton”. There should be one in the WASP enclaves that says “we should have milled our own cotton”. The Ellis Island Americans, like Biden, have turned out to be vipers for “y’all”.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @Cagey Beast

    Biden's only about 3/8ths Irish, most of the rest is WASP/ Scottish Protestant. Anglo-Saxons can't seem to stop themselves from mixing with Irish Celts and others ever.

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

  131. @Anonymous
    @Alyosha


    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion.
     
    Have they enlisted?

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster.
     
    The faster the Zelensky regime fell to Russia, the less dying there would have been.

    Replies: @Alyosha, @HA

    “Have they enlisted?”

    Yes, actually, almost all of them have now, and enthusiastically. The ones who haven’t are 40 years and older. They’ve sent me many pictures from the front lines and of themselves with all of their equipment etc.

  132. @Anonymous
    @Alyosha


    I know many Ukrainians, they are enthusiastically for defending themselves against the invasion.
     
    Have they enlisted?

    Ukraine would fall faster perhaps without the US supporting it, but it would be falling faster because they would be dying even faster.
     
    The faster the Zelensky regime fell to Russia, the less dying there would have been.

    Replies: @Alyosha, @HA

    “The faster the Zelensky regime fell to Russia, the less dying there would have been.”

    Tell that to the Buryats and Dagestanis who caved to the Russians long ago. Their boys still keep getting preferentially tossed into the meat grinder long after they acquiesced. When exactly is the dying supposed to lessen? Once they’ve brought Alaska home?

    No, if the “Zelensky regime” had fallen, their boys would be the ones being tossed into Putin’s meat grinder and dying as it turned towards Transnistria or. Moldova or Georgia, or whatever other domino he wants to fall next.

    To the extent the Ukrainians have a chance of surviving Putin’s predations, I suspect they’d rather keep on “not falling”.

  133. @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Is that why the Ukrainians were ready to cut a deal with Russia before the US and England told them not to?

    Replies: @HA, @Alyosha

    “Is that why the Ukrainians were ready to cut a deal with Russia before the US and England told them not to?:

    Told them not to, or told them they didn’t have to? If you think the Ukrainians are fighting only because the US and England are demanding it, you really are clueless.

    • LOL: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @HA


    If you think the Ukrainians are fighting only because the US and England are demanding it, you really are clueless.
     
    They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago.

    Replies: @HA

  134. Anonymous[957] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    @JimDandy

    "Is that why the Ukrainians were ready to cut a deal with Russia before the US and England told them not to?:

    Told them not to, or told them they didn't have to? If you think the Ukrainians are fighting only because the US and England are demanding it, you really are clueless.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    If you think the Ukrainians are fighting only because the US and England are demanding it, you really are clueless.

    They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anonymous

    "They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago."

    The people of Donbass wouldn't have been fighting for eight years either without Moscow's support and hysteria-mongering. According to your logic, they should have meekly submitted to the Kyiv authorities in the same way you're asking Kyiv to submit to Moscow's, thereby sparing themselves any further suffering on killing. According to you, those deaths are more or less their own fault, or else maybe Moscow's -- either way works for me.

    Otherwise, if even Putin's stooges can't bring themselves to be consistent when it comes to submitting to the inevitable, they shouldn't expect anyone to be that stupid.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anonymous

  135. @hhsiii
    @PhysicistDave

    Well, now that you put it that way...

    OK, Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @vinteuil

    Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.

    Strange but true.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @vinteuil



    Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.
     
    Strange but true.
     
    Indeed. What country has given Edward Snowden refuge? What country is trying to prosecute him?
  136. @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote to epebble:


    A bullying state, demanding that its ex-colony come to heel. Doesn’t sound the least bit “American” to me. American’s should be nationalist and respect other people’s right to their nations, regardless of whether they want to support it, or even think it’s wise
     
    Well, wouldn't that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?

    Instead of arming and training the henchmen of the Kiev regime to murder people in the Donbass?

    Not to mention blowing up the gas pipeline that our occupied colonies in Europe need to run their economies and keep warm this winter?

    So, who is the actual "bullying state"?

    Replies: @hhsiii, @AnotherDad, @HA

    “Well, wouldn’t that mean respecting the right of the Donbass to decline to submit to the puppet regime that the US installed in Kiev in the 2014 putsch?”

    No, I have it on good authority, endorsed by Putin himself, that when one is confronted with a much larger and more powerful opponent, one should meekly submit, otherwise they themselves are to blame for the additional killing.

    Clearly, it was wrong of Putin to keep prolonging this alleged suffering by supplying the people of Donbass with weapons for 8 years. He should have, if only in the interest of peace, and ensuring that the killing stops, told them to accept whatever it was that Kyiv was demanding.

    Looks like your boy in Moscow can’t even follow his own advice, so why should anyone else?

  137. “A Maryland doctor and her spouse, a U.S. Army doctor”

    Right in the first words you see how deliberate they were. The obvious point of interest here, apart from the trans thing, is that this was an Army officer. And yet they place that *second* because- if you read on- you see it becomes a very handy way to avoid using pronouns for the dude until they absolutely have to.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  138. @Deadite
    This is why trannies were always considered a security risk. Because they are mentally unstable

    Just like Bradley Manning.

    But now, whatever. Anything goes.

    Replies: @Nachum

    Not disagreeing with the unstable point, but I think the blackmail thing was more an impetus for all sorts of queers (gay, trans, whatever).

  139. @Anonymous
    @HA


    If you think the Ukrainians are fighting only because the US and England are demanding it, you really are clueless.
     
    They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago.

    Replies: @HA

    “They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago.”

    The people of Donbass wouldn’t have been fighting for eight years either without Moscow’s support and hysteria-mongering. According to your logic, they should have meekly submitted to the Kyiv authorities in the same way you’re asking Kyiv to submit to Moscow’s, thereby sparing themselves any further suffering on killing. According to you, those deaths are more or less their own fault, or else maybe Moscow’s — either way works for me.

    Otherwise, if even Putin’s stooges can’t bring themselves to be consistent when it comes to submitting to the inevitable, they shouldn’t expect anyone to be that stupid.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @HA

    Dear HAsbara:

    The people living in the Donbass were fighting because they didn't want to be controlled and oppressed by the Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian government is fighting because they want to control and oppress the people living in the Donbass.

    , @Anonymous
    @HA


    They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago.”

    The people of Donbass wouldn’t have been fighting for eight years either without Moscow’s support and hysteria-mongering. According to your logic, they should have meekly submitted to the Kyiv authorities in the same way you’re asking Kyiv to submit to Moscow’s.
     

     
    The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t.

    Replies: @HA

  140. @notsaying
    There was a CNN story about these people on my phone's scroll. I brought up it up and was confronted with a man and a woman with what looks like a government agent when I expected to see two women.

    So if you want to see the male version of this trans woman, you can.

    I realize now after rereading the CNN story that they do not mention he is trans. They use the normal pronouns.

    Hmmm.

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/09/29/politics/us-army-doctor-anesthesiologist-russian-government-medical-records/index.html

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Nachum

    Pretty clear from that photo that he hasn’t had any real work done.

  141. @hhsiii
    @JimDandy

    How about this: the guy threatening to melt my kids isn’t a bully?

    Some folks are so fixated on their own keen insight on the evils of our government that they want to polish Putin’s knob. And yes, it’s scary and I wish we weren’t involved.

    On another note, my wife is Russian. My father-in-law is visiting from Belarus. He was Red Army. When Steve posted those lines from Horatius at the Gate I thought which soldiers in this war might think they are fighting for hearth and home. Notwithstanding the Kievan Rus historical ties. My father-in-law is 72 and “visited” Prague in ‘68. But I doubt many 20 year-old Russians are keen on having to fight.

    By the way, that poem goes on to lament that Rome’s ability to fight waned when political factions strained their unity. Ironically, Russia has political unity, but that hasn’t apparently led to martial spirit in this fight.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    I’m not keen on polishing Putin’s knob, but his positions on this situation all strike me as very reasonable–from a Russian POV. It’s common for people to say variations of “Americans that don’t care about our own border security sure seem to care about Ukraine’s.” I’d kind of flip that–some Americans who sure care about America’s border security can’t seem to understand why Russia wants to secure theirs.

  142. @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Is that why the Ukrainians were ready to cut a deal with Russia before the US and England told them not to?

    Replies: @HA, @Alyosha

    Again, to the degree they were willing to cut a deal it’s not because they wanted to, it’s because they thought that it was a deep evil but a necessary evil. I know many Ukrainians and also people who’ve visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding. Ukrainians hate Russians 10 times+ more, perhaps 100 times more than Americans or West Europeans hate Russians.

    Ukrainians see it as Ukraine vs Russia, they don’t have the Western-centric viewpoint of Americans, Westerners, the EU, etc.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Again, to the degree they were willing to cut a deal it’s not because they wanted to, it’s because they thought that it was a deep evil but a necessary evil.

    And, again, I don't think it's merely semantics to say that--even according to you--they ultimately wanted to cut a deal, because they were being realistic. A lot of Ukrainians have been killed since then--they lost the only lives they'll ever have. For what? What better outcome than Russia taking the Donbas and Ukraine staying out of NATO do you think is likely? Are the majority of Ukrainians willing to go down swinging--down to the last Ukrainian man, woman, child for the chance of regaining control of the Donbas? As an American, I'm very much not willing to go down fighting for that goal.

    Also, are you saying that "Ukrainians" are a monolith re: Russia?

    Replies: @Alyosha

    , @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to JimDandy:


    I know many Ukrainians and also people who’ve visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding.
     
    In West Ukraine.

    But there is evidence from Western reporters, reporters who are clearly sympathetic to the Kiev regime, that this is not true of East Ukraine -- oops, I mean, what is now Novorossiya. Here is just one sample -- the title and subtitle tell the story:

    Many in the Donbas Feel Betrayed – By Kyiv

    Windows here are barricaded with sandbags and the sounds from the front are constantly rolling in. Still, many elderly residents of the Donetsk region have stayed here because they tend to trust Russia more than their own government, despite Vladimir Putin's war of aggression. Why?
     
    Kiev could always have held a plebiscite in the Donbass to determine its future: It is pretty obvious why Kiev chose not to.

    And now the future of the Donbass is clear -- or should I say Novorosiya?

    Replies: @Alyosha, @HA

  143. @Cagey Beast
    @Cagey Beast

    Anglo-Saxon pride worldwide:

    https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1575944377548959744

    There's apparently a bumper sticker in the South that says "we should have picked our own cotton". There should be one in the WASP enclaves that says "we should have milled our own cotton". The Ellis Island Americans, like Biden, have turned out to be vipers for "y'all".

    Replies: @Alyosha

    Biden’s only about 3/8ths Irish, most of the rest is WASP/ Scottish Protestant. Anglo-Saxons can’t seem to stop themselves from mixing with Irish Celts and others ever.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Alyosha


    Anglo-Saxons can’t seem to stop themselves from mixing with Irish Celts and others ever.
     
    What is your point?
    , @Cagey Beast
    @Alyosha

    Biden isn't Irish-American or Anglo-American so much as he's Satanic-American:

    https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1576510457031991296

  144. @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    Again, to the degree they were willing to cut a deal it's not because they wanted to, it's because they thought that it was a deep evil but a necessary evil. I know many Ukrainians and also people who've visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding. Ukrainians hate Russians 10 times+ more, perhaps 100 times more than Americans or West Europeans hate Russians.

    Ukrainians see it as Ukraine vs Russia, they don't have the Western-centric viewpoint of Americans, Westerners, the EU, etc.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @PhysicistDave

    Again, to the degree they were willing to cut a deal it’s not because they wanted to, it’s because they thought that it was a deep evil but a necessary evil.

    And, again, I don’t think it’s merely semantics to say that–even according to you–they ultimately wanted to cut a deal, because they were being realistic. A lot of Ukrainians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have. For what? What better outcome than Russia taking the Donbas and Ukraine staying out of NATO do you think is likely? Are the majority of Ukrainians willing to go down swinging–down to the last Ukrainian man, woman, child for the chance of regaining control of the Donbas? As an American, I’m very much not willing to go down fighting for that goal.

    Also, are you saying that “Ukrainians” are a monolith re: Russia?

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    I said to the degree they were willing to cut a deal, not that even they were fully prepared to cut a deal necessarily.

    It's not my job to decide what the Ukrainians want. If they want to fight for their country even if 10s of thousands die, or hundreds of thousands die, that's their business not mine. And your reasoning applies just as much if not more for the Russians and their soldiers. A lot of Russians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have invading a foreign country. For what? Perhaps Taking a few thousand square miles of a foreign country and gaining a million or two pensioners, many of whom are hostile to them and Russia? Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might've been nicer for everyone involved.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

  145. @HA
    @Anonymous

    "They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago."

    The people of Donbass wouldn't have been fighting for eight years either without Moscow's support and hysteria-mongering. According to your logic, they should have meekly submitted to the Kyiv authorities in the same way you're asking Kyiv to submit to Moscow's, thereby sparing themselves any further suffering on killing. According to you, those deaths are more or less their own fault, or else maybe Moscow's -- either way works for me.

    Otherwise, if even Putin's stooges can't bring themselves to be consistent when it comes to submitting to the inevitable, they shouldn't expect anyone to be that stupid.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anonymous

    Dear HAsbara:

    The people living in the Donbass were fighting because they didn’t want to be controlled and oppressed by the Ukrainian government. The Ukrainian government is fighting because they want to control and oppress the people living in the Donbass.

  146. @vinteuil
    @hhsiii


    Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.
     
    Strange but true.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Vlad Putin, bulwark of freedom.

    Strange but true.

    Indeed. What country has given Edward Snowden refuge? What country is trying to prosecute him?

  147. Anonymous[957] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    @Anonymous

    "They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago."

    The people of Donbass wouldn't have been fighting for eight years either without Moscow's support and hysteria-mongering. According to your logic, they should have meekly submitted to the Kyiv authorities in the same way you're asking Kyiv to submit to Moscow's, thereby sparing themselves any further suffering on killing. According to you, those deaths are more or less their own fault, or else maybe Moscow's -- either way works for me.

    Otherwise, if even Putin's stooges can't bring themselves to be consistent when it comes to submitting to the inevitable, they shouldn't expect anyone to be that stupid.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @Anonymous

    They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago.”

    The people of Donbass wouldn’t have been fighting for eight years either without Moscow’s support and hysteria-mongering. According to your logic, they should have meekly submitted to the Kyiv authorities in the same way you’re asking Kyiv to submit to Moscow’s.

    The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anonymous

    "The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t."

    No, I know of a set of signatures that puts the US (and France, for that matter) front and center regarding any Russian decisions to invade Ukraine. Try harder next time.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  148. @Alyosha
    @Cagey Beast

    Biden's only about 3/8ths Irish, most of the rest is WASP/ Scottish Protestant. Anglo-Saxons can't seem to stop themselves from mixing with Irish Celts and others ever.

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    Anglo-Saxons can’t seem to stop themselves from mixing with Irish Celts and others ever.

    What is your point?

  149. I’m confused. Did Dr. Henry transition from being a biological (as-birthed?) “male” to a “female” or vice versa?

    From the pics and the name of the “wife” it is practically impossible to tell.

  150. @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "Putin crushed the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Mariupol. He controls Mariupol and Kherson. Russia is quite obviously ahead 'on points.'”

    Face it. He was wrong about the Ukrainians caving in after 3 days, he was wrong about the West giving up and forgetting this after a few weeks, and he was wrong that no military conscription would be needed to carry out this special little operation of his. I could go on, because it's a long list, but that's good enough.

    Had he been proven correct about of any of that, one could argue (stupidly, I'd say, but one could at least make the argument) that he knows his neighborhood better than we do and we should just leave him be. But given that he keeps being proven wrong, it's time to stop giving him a pass and stop pretending he knows what he's doing. He doesn't. Everyone else is just holding firm to their agreements they made to Ukraine once it was clear they weren't gonna cave -- whereas he's the one who keeps revising and upping his. Even China and India are starting to waver. Even some of his own stooges are starting to suspect that despite the lights being on, nothing much is going on in the Kremlin. If you want to pretend that the West is escalating, you go ahead, but no one other than his fanboys are that willfully blind.

    If this were only about "points", fine -- he could have tucked his tail between his legs, went back home, and crowed about how he was able to stand up to NATO. Clearly, the "we're still ahead on points" argument is yet another deep whiff of copium.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:

    Had [Putin] been proven correct about of any of that, one could argue (stupidly, I’d say, but one could at least make the argument) that he knows his neighborhood better than we do and we should just leave him be.

    This is not a prediction game, little buddy.

    It is war. And you win a war not by making predictions but by creating a situation in which the enemy is unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    If this were only about “points”, fine — he could have tucked his tail between his legs, went back home, and crowed about how he was able to stand up to NATO. Clearly, the “we’re still ahead on points” argument is yet another deep whiff of copium.

    You really do think this is fantasy football, don’t you, little buddy?

    The Donbass is now part of Russia. It is hard to see how any Russian politician can ever give it up.

    And if Moscow chooses to relax the Rules of Engagement, they can easily do to Kiev what they did to Mariupol. And Lvov. And Odessa. And on and on and on.

    Let’s hope the perverts who rule Ukraine and, more critically, their puppet masters in DC come to their senses before then and opt for a negotiated peace.

    If you are still over there, my friend, get out. Now.

    The killing must stop.

  151. @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    Again, to the degree they were willing to cut a deal it's not because they wanted to, it's because they thought that it was a deep evil but a necessary evil. I know many Ukrainians and also people who've visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding. Ukrainians hate Russians 10 times+ more, perhaps 100 times more than Americans or West Europeans hate Russians.

    Ukrainians see it as Ukraine vs Russia, they don't have the Western-centric viewpoint of Americans, Westerners, the EU, etc.

    Replies: @JimDandy, @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to JimDandy:

    I know many Ukrainians and also people who’ve visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding.

    In West Ukraine.

    But there is evidence from Western reporters, reporters who are clearly sympathetic to the Kiev regime, that this is not true of East Ukraine — oops, I mean, what is now Novorossiya. Here is just one sample — the title and subtitle tell the story:

    Many in the Donbas Feel Betrayed – By Kyiv

    Windows here are barricaded with sandbags and the sounds from the front are constantly rolling in. Still, many elderly residents of the Donetsk region have stayed here because they tend to trust Russia more than their own government, despite Vladimir Putin’s war of aggression. Why?

    Kiev could always have held a plebiscite in the Donbass to determine its future: It is pretty obvious why Kiev chose not to.

    And now the future of the Donbass is clear — or should I say Novorosiya?

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    The Ukrainians and people I know on the ground say that Kharkiv and Kharkiv oblast are overwhelmingly for Ukraine against Russia. Also true of Odessa, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipro, Kiev/Kyiv, and all the cities they've been too currently under Ukrainian control. The only place they think that might actually be majority pro-Russia is the Donbass, but part of that is there's been a mass exodus of pro-Ukraine Donbassians out of Donbass and into Central and West Ukraine.

    If you believe the referendums aren't being tilted by soldiers with guns at the polls and that have been shown to going to houses with their guns telling the people to vote for Russian annexation, referendums that were conducted in the middle of war zones in oblasts that aren't even fully controlled by the Russians and thus a huge proportion of the population couldn't even vote, ie Donetsk Zaporizhizhia, than lol @ you, you have exactly as accurate a picture of Ukraine as when you claimed nobody in this comment section is pro-Russia or when you kept saying Kharkiv would soon fall.

    Kherson was literally has been and is the most pro-Ukraine oblast in "Novorussiya" and East Ukraine so it's particularly hilarious they're claiming a 90% pro annexation vote in the partially occupied oblast, which still has lots of Kherson oblast outside of Russian control, I guess their vote in the sham annexation doesn't count, just like the Capital and biggest city of Zaporizhzhia oblast, Zaporizhzhia city the namesake, doesn't count in its annexation referendum either.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    , @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "This is not a prediction game,..."

    According to Sun Tzu -- whom the Putin stooges can't stop invoking -- it very much is:


    “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
     
    Putin is evidently shooting for category 3, and seems to be getting closer with each passing day. If he ever had any yes-men around who understood what he was up against, and were brave enough to tell him, he seems to have fired them long ago. No sane person would trust him to be a dogcatcher at this point, and I can well see that the Ukrainians were right to resist.

    Whereas, according to your own stooges, those confronted with an opponent who is able to outsmart and out maneuver them, it's best to simply cave in and minimize the struggle and bother. If you actually cared about the people of Donbass, you would have long ago advised them to accept the inevitable and give up their futile opposition. But with friends like you, they don't need enemies, neo-Nazis or otherwise.

    Time to take your own advice, PhysicistDave.

    "And he will....And it will be."

    For someone who doesn't think this is a prediction game, you seem to be making a lot of predictions. What was that I just said about taking your own advice?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  152. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to JimDandy:


    I know many Ukrainians and also people who’ve visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding.
     
    In West Ukraine.

    But there is evidence from Western reporters, reporters who are clearly sympathetic to the Kiev regime, that this is not true of East Ukraine -- oops, I mean, what is now Novorossiya. Here is just one sample -- the title and subtitle tell the story:

    Many in the Donbas Feel Betrayed – By Kyiv

    Windows here are barricaded with sandbags and the sounds from the front are constantly rolling in. Still, many elderly residents of the Donetsk region have stayed here because they tend to trust Russia more than their own government, despite Vladimir Putin's war of aggression. Why?
     
    Kiev could always have held a plebiscite in the Donbass to determine its future: It is pretty obvious why Kiev chose not to.

    And now the future of the Donbass is clear -- or should I say Novorosiya?

    Replies: @Alyosha, @HA

    The Ukrainians and people I know on the ground say that Kharkiv and Kharkiv oblast are overwhelmingly for Ukraine against Russia. Also true of Odessa, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipro, Kiev/Kyiv, and all the cities they’ve been too currently under Ukrainian control. The only place they think that might actually be majority pro-Russia is the Donbass, but part of that is there’s been a mass exodus of pro-Ukraine Donbassians out of Donbass and into Central and West Ukraine.

    If you believe the referendums aren’t being tilted by soldiers with guns at the polls and that have been shown to going to houses with their guns telling the people to vote for Russian annexation, referendums that were conducted in the middle of war zones in oblasts that aren’t even fully controlled by the Russians and thus a huge proportion of the population couldn’t even vote, ie Donetsk Zaporizhizhia, than lol @ you, you have exactly as accurate a picture of Ukraine as when you claimed nobody in this comment section is pro-Russia or when you kept saying Kharkiv would soon fall.

    Kherson was literally has been and is the most pro-Ukraine oblast in “Novorussiya” and East Ukraine so it’s particularly hilarious they’re claiming a 90% pro annexation vote in the partially occupied oblast, which still has lots of Kherson oblast outside of Russian control, I guess their vote in the sham annexation doesn’t count, just like the Capital and biggest city of Zaporizhzhia oblast, Zaporizhzhia city the namesake, doesn’t count in its annexation referendum either.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    The Ukrainians and people I know on the ground say...
     
    I think, Alyosha, that you associate mainly with people who think as you do.

    Indeed, it would be very surprising if it were otherwise: that is how most people behave.

    I'm a bit of a student of this phenomenon: I have lost count of the number of times I have run into devout Christians who are truly shocked that a substantial number of Americans are not devout Christians.

    I have even run into atheists who, based on their own circle of acquaintances, are quite sure that America is on the verge of becoming atheist. (Hint: it's not.)

    And in politics -- from Pauline Kael admitting that she knew only one person who voted for Nixon to the Ruling Class being shocked by Trump's victory -- this phenomenon is nearly universal.

    I think that just maybe the Spiegel reporter, even though he is clearly on the side of the Kiev regime, has gone to a bit more effort than you to ascertain how people in East Ukraine actually think.

    Replies: @Alyosha

  153. @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Again, to the degree they were willing to cut a deal it’s not because they wanted to, it’s because they thought that it was a deep evil but a necessary evil.

    And, again, I don't think it's merely semantics to say that--even according to you--they ultimately wanted to cut a deal, because they were being realistic. A lot of Ukrainians have been killed since then--they lost the only lives they'll ever have. For what? What better outcome than Russia taking the Donbas and Ukraine staying out of NATO do you think is likely? Are the majority of Ukrainians willing to go down swinging--down to the last Ukrainian man, woman, child for the chance of regaining control of the Donbas? As an American, I'm very much not willing to go down fighting for that goal.

    Also, are you saying that "Ukrainians" are a monolith re: Russia?

    Replies: @Alyosha

    I said to the degree they were willing to cut a deal, not that even they were fully prepared to cut a deal necessarily.

    It’s not my job to decide what the Ukrainians want. If they want to fight for their country even if 10s of thousands die, or hundreds of thousands die, that’s their business not mine. And your reasoning applies just as much if not more for the Russians and their soldiers. A lot of Russians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have invading a foreign country. For what? Perhaps Taking a few thousand square miles of a foreign country and gaining a million or two pensioners, many of whom are hostile to them and Russia? Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might’ve been nicer for everyone involved.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to JimDandy:


    A lot of Russians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have invading a foreign country. For what? Perhaps Taking a few thousand square miles of a foreign country and gaining a million or two pensioners, many of whom are hostile to them and Russia? Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might’ve been nicer for everyone involved.
     
    The "status quo"was an eight-year-long war by the Kiev puppet regime against the people of the Donbass.

    Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will.

    And the Kremlin, along with US officials, have been increasingly clear that what this war is really about is whether the US Deep State can be allowed to maintain its hegemony over the planet.

    Decent human beings want to see the American Empire ended, for the sake of the human race and for the sake of the American people.

    And it will be.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    , @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might’ve been nicer for everyone involved.

    I don't know about that. Many living in the Donbass might disagree.

    My position is that these Russian-Ukrainian matters should be Russian-Ukrainian matters.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

  154. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    The Ukrainians and people I know on the ground say that Kharkiv and Kharkiv oblast are overwhelmingly for Ukraine against Russia. Also true of Odessa, Zaporizhzhia, Dnipro, Kiev/Kyiv, and all the cities they've been too currently under Ukrainian control. The only place they think that might actually be majority pro-Russia is the Donbass, but part of that is there's been a mass exodus of pro-Ukraine Donbassians out of Donbass and into Central and West Ukraine.

    If you believe the referendums aren't being tilted by soldiers with guns at the polls and that have been shown to going to houses with their guns telling the people to vote for Russian annexation, referendums that were conducted in the middle of war zones in oblasts that aren't even fully controlled by the Russians and thus a huge proportion of the population couldn't even vote, ie Donetsk Zaporizhizhia, than lol @ you, you have exactly as accurate a picture of Ukraine as when you claimed nobody in this comment section is pro-Russia or when you kept saying Kharkiv would soon fall.

    Kherson was literally has been and is the most pro-Ukraine oblast in "Novorussiya" and East Ukraine so it's particularly hilarious they're claiming a 90% pro annexation vote in the partially occupied oblast, which still has lots of Kherson oblast outside of Russian control, I guess their vote in the sham annexation doesn't count, just like the Capital and biggest city of Zaporizhzhia oblast, Zaporizhzhia city the namesake, doesn't count in its annexation referendum either.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    The Ukrainians and people I know on the ground say…

    I think, Alyosha, that you associate mainly with people who think as you do.

    Indeed, it would be very surprising if it were otherwise: that is how most people behave.

    I’m a bit of a student of this phenomenon: I have lost count of the number of times I have run into devout Christians who are truly shocked that a substantial number of Americans are not devout Christians.

    I have even run into atheists who, based on their own circle of acquaintances, are quite sure that America is on the verge of becoming atheist. (Hint: it’s not.)

    And in politics — from Pauline Kael admitting that she knew only one person who voted for Nixon to the Ruling Class being shocked by Trump’s victory — this phenomenon is nearly universal.

    I think that just maybe the Spiegel reporter, even though he is clearly on the side of the Kiev regime, has gone to a bit more effort than you to ascertain how people in East Ukraine actually think.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    It's not about what I or the people I know think about the conflict, but what they know of the people they've talked to in those cities. They've talked to dozens and hundreds in all of these cities each, and collectively have talked to thousands there.

    One of the people I'm referring to btw is a very right wing, anti-interventionist, anti-USA and anti-NATO American from Georgia State who was very pro Russia and sympathetic to it, even during the first few weeks of the Russian-Ukraine war and very much anti NATO and US government. He moved to Ukraine about a month or two into the war to help Ukrainian refugees/ people affected by the war.

    Despite being very pro-Russia and sympathetic to it even after the first few weeks of the 2022 Invasion and being anti- US government anti-NATO and anti-Russia he is now extremely pro-Ukraine and anti- Russia. He's spent most of his time in Ukraine in the city of Kharkiv and elsewhere on the East front lines and occasionally on the South Front lines. How do you explain this if most of the people of East Ukraine and South Ukraine aren't largely pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  155. @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    I said to the degree they were willing to cut a deal, not that even they were fully prepared to cut a deal necessarily.

    It's not my job to decide what the Ukrainians want. If they want to fight for their country even if 10s of thousands die, or hundreds of thousands die, that's their business not mine. And your reasoning applies just as much if not more for the Russians and their soldiers. A lot of Russians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have invading a foreign country. For what? Perhaps Taking a few thousand square miles of a foreign country and gaining a million or two pensioners, many of whom are hostile to them and Russia? Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might've been nicer for everyone involved.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

    Alyosha wrote to JimDandy:

    A lot of Russians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have invading a foreign country. For what? Perhaps Taking a few thousand square miles of a foreign country and gaining a million or two pensioners, many of whom are hostile to them and Russia? Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might’ve been nicer for everyone involved.

    The “status quo”was an eight-year-long war by the Kiev puppet regime against the people of the Donbass.

    Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will.

    And the Kremlin, along with US officials, have been increasingly clear that what this war is really about is whether the US Deep State can be allowed to maintain its hegemony over the planet.

    Decent human beings want to see the American Empire ended, for the sake of the human race and for the sake of the American people.

    And it will be.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    "Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will."

    What does the scenario look like to you? What time will it happen by or time frame, and what happens in it?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  156. @Alyosha
    @Cagey Beast

    Biden's only about 3/8ths Irish, most of the rest is WASP/ Scottish Protestant. Anglo-Saxons can't seem to stop themselves from mixing with Irish Celts and others ever.

    Replies: @Anon, @Cagey Beast

    Biden isn’t Irish-American or Anglo-American so much as he’s Satanic-American:

  157. @Alyosha
    @JimDandy

    I said to the degree they were willing to cut a deal, not that even they were fully prepared to cut a deal necessarily.

    It's not my job to decide what the Ukrainians want. If they want to fight for their country even if 10s of thousands die, or hundreds of thousands die, that's their business not mine. And your reasoning applies just as much if not more for the Russians and their soldiers. A lot of Russians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have invading a foreign country. For what? Perhaps Taking a few thousand square miles of a foreign country and gaining a million or two pensioners, many of whom are hostile to them and Russia? Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might've been nicer for everyone involved.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @JimDandy

    Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might’ve been nicer for everyone involved.

    I don’t know about that. Many living in the Donbass might disagree.

    My position is that these Russian-Ukrainian matters should be Russian-Ukrainian matters.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @JimDandy

    "My position is that these Russian-Ukrainian matters should be Russian-Ukrainian matters".

    But the people in charge of our western countries don't agree. Washington is especially insistent that Ukrainian-Russian relations should be carried out under its guidance and according to its terms.

    None of us commenting here have any power and we should probably all concern ourselves with other things but we shouldn't pretend Ukraine didn't get here without decades of unrelenting meddling by NATO countries, with the US in the lead.

  158. “The people living in the Donbass were fighting because they didn’t want to be controlled and oppressed by the Ukrainian government.”

    Plenty of them didn’t want to be controlled and oppressed by the goons that Putin set up. They had to leave.

    They were usually guys from below the social hierarchy who saw this war as a chance to rise up. And they did. With their power unchecked, they started systematic plunder. Take people’s homes, cars, businesses, kill those who object. Arrest someone, torture and release for ransom. It’s not only how much these guys stole, it’s how much they destroyed. If a normal Russian bureaucrat might destroy 10 rubles of value to steal 1, these guys would destroy 10 000. They destroyed [the] Donbass economy, inflicted [a] socio-economic collapse and humanitarian catastrophe

  159. @Anonymous
    @HA


    They wouldn’t still be fighting if the United States and its stooges weren’t backing the war. They would have come to a fair and reasonable peace agreement months ago.”

    The people of Donbass wouldn’t have been fighting for eight years either without Moscow’s support and hysteria-mongering. According to your logic, they should have meekly submitted to the Kyiv authorities in the same way you’re asking Kyiv to submit to Moscow’s.
     

     
    The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t.

    Replies: @HA

    “The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t.”

    No, I know of a set of signatures that puts the US (and France, for that matter) front and center regarding any Russian decisions to invade Ukraine. Try harder next time.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    Our little HAsbara wrote to Anonymous:


    [Anonymous] “The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t.”

    [HA] No, I know of a set of signatures that puts the US (and France, for that matter) front and center regarding any Russian decisions to invade Ukraine. Try harder next time.

     

    Is it a treaty? Approved by the Senate?

    If not, it has no force under the American Constitution.

    The fact that you are not an American keeps shining through, little buddy.

    Replies: @HA

  160. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to JimDandy:


    I know many Ukrainians and also people who’ve visited and lived in Ukraine and the level of patriotism for Ukraine and hatred for Putin and Russian soldiers is astounding.
     
    In West Ukraine.

    But there is evidence from Western reporters, reporters who are clearly sympathetic to the Kiev regime, that this is not true of East Ukraine -- oops, I mean, what is now Novorossiya. Here is just one sample -- the title and subtitle tell the story:

    Many in the Donbas Feel Betrayed – By Kyiv

    Windows here are barricaded with sandbags and the sounds from the front are constantly rolling in. Still, many elderly residents of the Donetsk region have stayed here because they tend to trust Russia more than their own government, despite Vladimir Putin's war of aggression. Why?
     
    Kiev could always have held a plebiscite in the Donbass to determine its future: It is pretty obvious why Kiev chose not to.

    And now the future of the Donbass is clear -- or should I say Novorosiya?

    Replies: @Alyosha, @HA

    “This is not a prediction game,…”

    According to Sun Tzu — whom the Putin stooges can’t stop invoking — it very much is:

    “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

    Putin is evidently shooting for category 3, and seems to be getting closer with each passing day. If he ever had any yes-men around who understood what he was up against, and were brave enough to tell him, he seems to have fired them long ago. No sane person would trust him to be a dogcatcher at this point, and I can well see that the Ukrainians were right to resist.

    Whereas, according to your own stooges, those confronted with an opponent who is able to outsmart and out maneuver them, it’s best to simply cave in and minimize the struggle and bother. If you actually cared about the people of Donbass, you would have long ago advised them to accept the inevitable and give up their futile opposition. But with friends like you, they don’t need enemies, neo-Nazis or otherwise.

    Time to take your own advice, PhysicistDave.

    “And he will….And it will be.”

    For someone who doesn’t think this is a prediction game, you seem to be making a lot of predictions. What was that I just said about taking your own advice?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:


    [HA] Time to take your own advice, PhysicistDave.

    [Dave] “And he will….And it will be.”

    [HA] For someone who doesn’t think this is a prediction game, you seem to be making a lot of predictions. What was that I just said about taking your own advice?
     

    Learn to read English, little buddy -- I know it is not your native language: I did not claim no one should ever make predictions.

    I was attacking you and others here who think that you can show that others are morally wrong by showing that (some of) their predictions are (perhaps) mistaken.

    Specifically, you were attacking Putin because, you think, he was initially over-optimistic.

    Perhaps he was. Perhaps not.

    That does not change the fact that the US and its slimy little puppet regime in Kiev started this war back in 2014 and that Putin (finally!) intervened to stop it.

    Which makes you in the wrong, not Putin.

  161. @JimDandy
    @Alyosha

    Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might’ve been nicer for everyone involved.

    I don't know about that. Many living in the Donbass might disagree.

    My position is that these Russian-Ukrainian matters should be Russian-Ukrainian matters.

    Replies: @Cagey Beast

    “My position is that these Russian-Ukrainian matters should be Russian-Ukrainian matters”.

    But the people in charge of our western countries don’t agree. Washington is especially insistent that Ukrainian-Russian relations should be carried out under its guidance and according to its terms.

    None of us commenting here have any power and we should probably all concern ourselves with other things but we shouldn’t pretend Ukraine didn’t get here without decades of unrelenting meddling by NATO countries, with the US in the lead.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  162. @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "This is not a prediction game,..."

    According to Sun Tzu -- whom the Putin stooges can't stop invoking -- it very much is:


    “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”
     
    Putin is evidently shooting for category 3, and seems to be getting closer with each passing day. If he ever had any yes-men around who understood what he was up against, and were brave enough to tell him, he seems to have fired them long ago. No sane person would trust him to be a dogcatcher at this point, and I can well see that the Ukrainians were right to resist.

    Whereas, according to your own stooges, those confronted with an opponent who is able to outsmart and out maneuver them, it's best to simply cave in and minimize the struggle and bother. If you actually cared about the people of Donbass, you would have long ago advised them to accept the inevitable and give up their futile opposition. But with friends like you, they don't need enemies, neo-Nazis or otherwise.

    Time to take your own advice, PhysicistDave.

    "And he will....And it will be."

    For someone who doesn't think this is a prediction game, you seem to be making a lot of predictions. What was that I just said about taking your own advice?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:

    [HA] Time to take your own advice, PhysicistDave.

    [Dave] “And he will….And it will be.”

    [HA] For someone who doesn’t think this is a prediction game, you seem to be making a lot of predictions. What was that I just said about taking your own advice?

    Learn to read English, little buddy — I know it is not your native language: I did not claim no one should ever make predictions.

    I was attacking you and others here who think that you can show that others are morally wrong by showing that (some of) their predictions are (perhaps) mistaken.

    Specifically, you were attacking Putin because, you think, he was initially over-optimistic.

    Perhaps he was. Perhaps not.

    That does not change the fact that the US and its slimy little puppet regime in Kiev started this war back in 2014 and that Putin (finally!) intervened to stop it.

    Which makes you in the wrong, not Putin.

    • Thanks: Mark G.
  163. @HA
    @Anonymous

    "The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t."

    No, I know of a set of signatures that puts the US (and France, for that matter) front and center regarding any Russian decisions to invade Ukraine. Try harder next time.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Our little HAsbara wrote to Anonymous:

    [Anonymous] “The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t.”

    [HA] No, I know of a set of signatures that puts the US (and France, for that matter) front and center regarding any Russian decisions to invade Ukraine. Try harder next time.

    Is it a treaty? Approved by the Senate?

    If not, it has no force under the American Constitution.

    The fact that you are not an American keeps shining through, little buddy.

    • Replies: @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "Is it a treaty? Approved by the Senate?"

    It is not. But neither was that iron-clad promise not to expand NATO one inch eastward, or whatever it was that the fanboys hyper-ventilated about.

    And unlike that agreement, which has no date and no signature, the Budapest Memorandum actually exists. And therefore, like many other doctrines and agreements that never got approved by the Senate, it is nonetheless a force to be reckoned with.

    Too bad Putin relied on Constitutional scholars like yourself to do his thinking for him and to assure him it has no force. It's one of the reasons he -- and his many dupes in Donbass who you pretend to care about -- wound up in this quagmire.

    "Specifically, you were attacking Putin because, you think, he was initially over-optimistic."

    He was clearly wrong about Ukraine's ability and willingness to fight. He was clearly wrong about Western resolve to oppose and sanction him. And yes, he was grossly over-optimistic that his ragtag band of Keystone Kops and assorted war criminals would hand Ukraine over to him on a silver platter.

    And those three strikes are plenty enough, PhysicistDave. It's time to admit he has been outplayed from the start by his opponents, and therefore, by the fanboys' own narrative, his best alternative is to give up and submit to those who are more powerful and capable than he is, lest he prolong the suffering of those he pretends to care about. Who was it that told us the killing must stop? I forget. But anyway, I agree that it is a pretty good time for him to stop it.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  164. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to JimDandy:


    A lot of Russians have been killed since then–they lost the only lives they’ll ever have invading a foreign country. For what? Perhaps Taking a few thousand square miles of a foreign country and gaining a million or two pensioners, many of whom are hostile to them and Russia? Seems like if Russia just decided to keep the status quo it might’ve been nicer for everyone involved.
     
    The "status quo"was an eight-year-long war by the Kiev puppet regime against the people of the Donbass.

    Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will.

    And the Kremlin, along with US officials, have been increasingly clear that what this war is really about is whether the US Deep State can be allowed to maintain its hegemony over the planet.

    Decent human beings want to see the American Empire ended, for the sake of the human race and for the sake of the American people.

    And it will be.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    “Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will.”

    What does the scenario look like to you? What time will it happen by or time frame, and what happens in it?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    [Dave] “Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will.”

    [Alyosha] What does the scenario look like to you? What time will it happen by or time frame, and what happens in it?
     
    So you expect me to reveal the contents of the secret briefing the Russian MoD provides to me every morning through my secret decoder ring?

    No one can predict in advance the exact course a war will take.

    But the balance of forces is so overwhelmingly against the puppet regime in Kiev that Kiev can only "win" if Russia throws in the towel.

    And the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation will make it exceedingly difficult for any Russian leader -- Putin or anyone else -- to give up that territory.

    Facts are terrible things.

    The best Kiev can hope for is a negotiated peace.

    But Western thugs are blocking that.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @Alyosha

  165. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    The Ukrainians and people I know on the ground say...
     
    I think, Alyosha, that you associate mainly with people who think as you do.

    Indeed, it would be very surprising if it were otherwise: that is how most people behave.

    I'm a bit of a student of this phenomenon: I have lost count of the number of times I have run into devout Christians who are truly shocked that a substantial number of Americans are not devout Christians.

    I have even run into atheists who, based on their own circle of acquaintances, are quite sure that America is on the verge of becoming atheist. (Hint: it's not.)

    And in politics -- from Pauline Kael admitting that she knew only one person who voted for Nixon to the Ruling Class being shocked by Trump's victory -- this phenomenon is nearly universal.

    I think that just maybe the Spiegel reporter, even though he is clearly on the side of the Kiev regime, has gone to a bit more effort than you to ascertain how people in East Ukraine actually think.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    It’s not about what I or the people I know think about the conflict, but what they know of the people they’ve talked to in those cities. They’ve talked to dozens and hundreds in all of these cities each, and collectively have talked to thousands there.

    One of the people I’m referring to btw is a very right wing, anti-interventionist, anti-USA and anti-NATO American from Georgia State who was very pro Russia and sympathetic to it, even during the first few weeks of the Russian-Ukraine war and very much anti NATO and US government. He moved to Ukraine about a month or two into the war to help Ukrainian refugees/ people affected by the war.

    Despite being very pro-Russia and sympathetic to it even after the first few weeks of the 2022 Invasion and being anti- US government anti-NATO and anti-Russia he is now extremely pro-Ukraine and anti- Russia. He’s spent most of his time in Ukraine in the city of Kharkiv and elsewhere on the East front lines and occasionally on the South Front lines. How do you explain this if most of the people of East Ukraine and South Ukraine aren’t largely pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    How do you explain this if most of the people of East Ukraine and South Ukraine aren’t largely pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia?
     
    I think a sample point of one is not a good statistical sample.

    And I think that you are clearly a Russia hater who tends to associate with other Russia haters.

    Normal human behavior, to be sure.

    Replies: @Alyosha

  166. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    Our little HAsbara wrote to Anonymous:


    [Anonymous] “The United States and its stooges are third parties. Russia isn’t.”

    [HA] No, I know of a set of signatures that puts the US (and France, for that matter) front and center regarding any Russian decisions to invade Ukraine. Try harder next time.

     

    Is it a treaty? Approved by the Senate?

    If not, it has no force under the American Constitution.

    The fact that you are not an American keeps shining through, little buddy.

    Replies: @HA

    “Is it a treaty? Approved by the Senate?”

    It is not. But neither was that iron-clad promise not to expand NATO one inch eastward, or whatever it was that the fanboys hyper-ventilated about.

    And unlike that agreement, which has no date and no signature, the Budapest Memorandum actually exists. And therefore, like many other doctrines and agreements that never got approved by the Senate, it is nonetheless a force to be reckoned with.

    Too bad Putin relied on Constitutional scholars like yourself to do his thinking for him and to assure him it has no force. It’s one of the reasons he — and his many dupes in Donbass who you pretend to care about — wound up in this quagmire.

    “Specifically, you were attacking Putin because, you think, he was initially over-optimistic.”

    He was clearly wrong about Ukraine’s ability and willingness to fight. He was clearly wrong about Western resolve to oppose and sanction him. And yes, he was grossly over-optimistic that his ragtag band of Keystone Kops and assorted war criminals would hand Ukraine over to him on a silver platter.

    And those three strikes are plenty enough, PhysicistDave. It’s time to admit he has been outplayed from the start by his opponents, and therefore, by the fanboys’ own narrative, his best alternative is to give up and submit to those who are more powerful and capable than he is, lest he prolong the suffering of those he pretends to care about. Who was it that told us the killing must stop? I forget. But anyway, I agree that it is a pretty good time for him to stop it.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:


    And unlike that agreement, which has no date and no signature, the Budapest Memorandum actually exists. And therefore, like many other doctrines and agreements that never got approved by the Senate, it is nonetheless a force to be reckoned with.
     
    Apparently not.

    It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    And those three strikes are plenty enough, PhysicistDave. It’s time to admit he has been outplayed from the start by his opponents
     
    This is not a game, little buddy, this is war.

    A war Kiev cannot win.

    Get out of there while you still can.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @HA

  167. Anyone have a subscription or a back door to see the online story? Particularly, I am curious if the commenters call out the missing information. Sometimes even the liberal hoi polloi can get a little unruly in comments.

  168. @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "Is it a treaty? Approved by the Senate?"

    It is not. But neither was that iron-clad promise not to expand NATO one inch eastward, or whatever it was that the fanboys hyper-ventilated about.

    And unlike that agreement, which has no date and no signature, the Budapest Memorandum actually exists. And therefore, like many other doctrines and agreements that never got approved by the Senate, it is nonetheless a force to be reckoned with.

    Too bad Putin relied on Constitutional scholars like yourself to do his thinking for him and to assure him it has no force. It's one of the reasons he -- and his many dupes in Donbass who you pretend to care about -- wound up in this quagmire.

    "Specifically, you were attacking Putin because, you think, he was initially over-optimistic."

    He was clearly wrong about Ukraine's ability and willingness to fight. He was clearly wrong about Western resolve to oppose and sanction him. And yes, he was grossly over-optimistic that his ragtag band of Keystone Kops and assorted war criminals would hand Ukraine over to him on a silver platter.

    And those three strikes are plenty enough, PhysicistDave. It's time to admit he has been outplayed from the start by his opponents, and therefore, by the fanboys' own narrative, his best alternative is to give up and submit to those who are more powerful and capable than he is, lest he prolong the suffering of those he pretends to care about. Who was it that told us the killing must stop? I forget. But anyway, I agree that it is a pretty good time for him to stop it.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:

    And unlike that agreement, which has no date and no signature, the Budapest Memorandum actually exists. And therefore, like many other doctrines and agreements that never got approved by the Senate, it is nonetheless a force to be reckoned with.

    Apparently not.

    It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    And those three strikes are plenty enough, PhysicistDave. It’s time to admit he has been outplayed from the start by his opponents

    This is not a game, little buddy, this is war.

    A war Kiev cannot win.

    Get out of there while you still can.

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy."

    Let's take a quick peek at Twitter to check if anyone else takes it seriously. As of five hours ago we have this:



    Could #Russia be divided [in]to independent regions and without nukes like #BudapestMemorandum 2? And with a consent of russians?#referenda
     
    Yesterday, there was this:

    all in @NATO [are doing far more for Ukraine now], esp. us the U.S. & UK whom Putin also double-crossed on the #BudapestMemorandum!
     
    Sep 27:

    Russia was a signatory to the #BudapestMemorandum - in exchange for Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament, Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty. Putin voided the agreement, but the other signatories US and UK are still stepping up.
     
    Nope, it still seems a trending topic, PhysicistDave. Just because you want to forget the Budapest Memorandum doesn't mean anyone else will.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/1574839172803825665/photo/1


    "This is not a game...this is war. A war Kiev cannot win."

    If they can't win, why does city after city keep getting returned to their control? And if none of them matter, why did Putin spend so much time and effort and blood taking them in the first place?

    Verily, PhysicistDave, thou art a man of great faith. No evidence is needed to secure thy belief.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  169. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    "Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will."

    What does the scenario look like to you? What time will it happen by or time frame, and what happens in it?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    [Dave] “Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will.”

    [Alyosha] What does the scenario look like to you? What time will it happen by or time frame, and what happens in it?

    So you expect me to reveal the contents of the secret briefing the Russian MoD provides to me every morning through my secret decoder ring?

    No one can predict in advance the exact course a war will take.

    But the balance of forces is so overwhelmingly against the puppet regime in Kiev that Kiev can only “win” if Russia throws in the towel.

    And the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation will make it exceedingly difficult for any Russian leader — Putin or anyone else — to give up that territory.

    Facts are terrible things.

    The best Kiev can hope for is a negotiated peace.

    But Western thugs are blocking that.

    The killing must stop.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    Okay fine, forgot about the time or time frame. What does Putin bringing the war to an end look like? What's the end territory that the war ends on, and what is the status of Ukraine and Russia, and their relationship?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  170. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    It's not about what I or the people I know think about the conflict, but what they know of the people they've talked to in those cities. They've talked to dozens and hundreds in all of these cities each, and collectively have talked to thousands there.

    One of the people I'm referring to btw is a very right wing, anti-interventionist, anti-USA and anti-NATO American from Georgia State who was very pro Russia and sympathetic to it, even during the first few weeks of the Russian-Ukraine war and very much anti NATO and US government. He moved to Ukraine about a month or two into the war to help Ukrainian refugees/ people affected by the war.

    Despite being very pro-Russia and sympathetic to it even after the first few weeks of the 2022 Invasion and being anti- US government anti-NATO and anti-Russia he is now extremely pro-Ukraine and anti- Russia. He's spent most of his time in Ukraine in the city of Kharkiv and elsewhere on the East front lines and occasionally on the South Front lines. How do you explain this if most of the people of East Ukraine and South Ukraine aren't largely pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    How do you explain this if most of the people of East Ukraine and South Ukraine aren’t largely pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia?

    I think a sample point of one is not a good statistical sample.

    And I think that you are clearly a Russia hater who tends to associate with other Russia haters.

    Normal human behavior, to be sure.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    Again, many of my friends were and are Russian-lovers actually, especially before the last few months. Not just this guy, though I will admit most of my Russian-lover friends have never been to Ukraine.

    If I were to generalize you as your are me I could claim that most of your friends are Putin-lovers or something, though I don't know any of your friends in the real world so I won't say that

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  171. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:


    And unlike that agreement, which has no date and no signature, the Budapest Memorandum actually exists. And therefore, like many other doctrines and agreements that never got approved by the Senate, it is nonetheless a force to be reckoned with.
     
    Apparently not.

    It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    And those three strikes are plenty enough, PhysicistDave. It’s time to admit he has been outplayed from the start by his opponents
     
    This is not a game, little buddy, this is war.

    A war Kiev cannot win.

    Get out of there while you still can.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @HA

    “It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy.”

    Let’s take a quick peek at Twitter to check if anyone else takes it seriously. As of five hours ago we have this:

    Could #Russia be divided [in]to independent regions and without nukes like #BudapestMemorandum 2? And with a consent of russians?#referenda

    Yesterday, there was this:

    all in @NATO [are doing far more for Ukraine now], esp. us the U.S. & UK whom Putin also double-crossed on the #BudapestMemorandum!

    Sep 27:

    Russia was a signatory to the #BudapestMemorandum – in exchange for Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament, Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty. Putin voided the agreement, but the other signatories US and UK are still stepping up.

    Nope, it still seems a trending topic, PhysicistDave. Just because you want to forget the Budapest Memorandum doesn’t mean anyone else will.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/1574839172803825665/photo/1

    “This is not a game…this is war. A war Kiev cannot win.”

    If they can’t win, why does city after city keep getting returned to their control? And if none of them matter, why did Putin spend so much time and effort and blood taking them in the first place?

    Verily, PhysicistDave, thou art a man of great faith. No evidence is needed to secure thy belief.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My teeny little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:


    [Dave] “It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy.”

    [HA] Let’s take a quick peek at Twitter to check if anyone else takes it seriously. As of five hours ago we have this:
     
    Oh, wow!!! Twitter!!!!

    How many nukes does Twitter have, little buddy?

    Twitter = "no one."

    My teeny buddy also asked me:

    If they can’t win, why does city after city keep getting returned to their control?
     
    Look at a map of the territory controlled by the Axis Powers at the end of the summer of 1942. Wow!!! The Axis had won!! End of the war!!

    Except that is not how wars are won. That is not how wars have ever been won.

    As I keep trying to teach you (and you are a very, very poor student!), you win a war by creating a situation in which the other side is either unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    Which is what the Allies did in both WW I and WW II -- despite the absolutely stunning successes that the Central Powers and the Axis had in seizing territory.

    And what determines that outcome over the long term?

    Largely the resources on both sides in terms of manpower and productivity: amateurs think strategy but professionals think logistics. And Russia's overwhelming population and resource disparity vis a vis Ukraine is going to be decisive.

    The other issue is of course determination: the US, for example, just gave up in Vietnam -- not worth the candle.

    But determination alone does not win the war: the Japanese were heroically determined to win in the Pacific Theater in WW II -- they still lost.

    If neither side is willing to throw in the towel, in the end resources win: again, amateurs think strategy but professionals think logistics.

    And the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation means that it will be unbelievably hard for any Russian leader to just throw in the towel.

    Before they hired you as an agent of influence, didn't they bother to teach you anything at all about military history, little HAsbara?

    Replies: @HA

  172. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    How do you explain this if most of the people of East Ukraine and South Ukraine aren’t largely pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia?
     
    I think a sample point of one is not a good statistical sample.

    And I think that you are clearly a Russia hater who tends to associate with other Russia haters.

    Normal human behavior, to be sure.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    Again, many of my friends were and are Russian-lovers actually, especially before the last few months. Not just this guy, though I will admit most of my Russian-lover friends have never been to Ukraine.

    If I were to generalize you as your are me I could claim that most of your friends are Putin-lovers or something, though I don’t know any of your friends in the real world so I won’t say that

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    Again, many of my friends were and are Russian-lovers actually, especially before the last few months.
     
    Well... they loved Russia back when they thought Russia would roll over for the West, eh?

    'Nuff said. You just made my point.

    Replies: @Alyosha

  173. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    [Dave] “Putin decided to end that war.

    And he will.”

    [Alyosha] What does the scenario look like to you? What time will it happen by or time frame, and what happens in it?
     
    So you expect me to reveal the contents of the secret briefing the Russian MoD provides to me every morning through my secret decoder ring?

    No one can predict in advance the exact course a war will take.

    But the balance of forces is so overwhelmingly against the puppet regime in Kiev that Kiev can only "win" if Russia throws in the towel.

    And the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation will make it exceedingly difficult for any Russian leader -- Putin or anyone else -- to give up that territory.

    Facts are terrible things.

    The best Kiev can hope for is a negotiated peace.

    But Western thugs are blocking that.

    The killing must stop.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    Okay fine, forgot about the time or time frame. What does Putin bringing the war to an end look like? What’s the end territory that the war ends on, and what is the status of Ukraine and Russia, and their relationship?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha asked me:


    Okay fine, forgot about the time or time frame. What does Putin bringing the war to an end look like? What’s the end territory that the war ends on, and what is the status of Ukraine and Russia, and their relationship?
     
    Long before the SMO, Moscow made clear what its minimal demands were: Kiev must respect the Minsk accords, and the puppet regime in Kiev must not join NATO.

    Since Kiev would not honor the Minsk accords, the Donbass is now part of Russia.

    So the road to peace is pretty clear-cut: Kiev accepts that the Donbass and Crimea are part of Russia, and the rump Ukraine does not ever join NATO.

    Will the US Deep State allow Kiev to accept that? It doesn't look like it.

    In which case Kiev may also lose Odessa, and Zelensky and his henchmen may end up dead.

    Obviously, neither you nor I knows exactly how this will play out.

    But Moscow has made pretty clear that it will go to total war to guarantee that Kiev does not control the Donbass and that Kiev does not join NATO. It looks as if Moscow means it, don't you think?

    By the way, my own guess is that NATO would defeat Russia if it becomes all-out war, but at truly horrifying cost to Europe, if -- and it is a very big "if" -- China stays out.

    I hope it will not come to that.
  174. @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy."

    Let's take a quick peek at Twitter to check if anyone else takes it seriously. As of five hours ago we have this:



    Could #Russia be divided [in]to independent regions and without nukes like #BudapestMemorandum 2? And with a consent of russians?#referenda
     
    Yesterday, there was this:

    all in @NATO [are doing far more for Ukraine now], esp. us the U.S. & UK whom Putin also double-crossed on the #BudapestMemorandum!
     
    Sep 27:

    Russia was a signatory to the #BudapestMemorandum - in exchange for Ukraine’s nuclear disarmament, Russia would guarantee Ukraine’s sovereignty. Putin voided the agreement, but the other signatories US and UK are still stepping up.
     
    Nope, it still seems a trending topic, PhysicistDave. Just because you want to forget the Budapest Memorandum doesn't mean anyone else will.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/1574839172803825665/photo/1


    "This is not a game...this is war. A war Kiev cannot win."

    If they can't win, why does city after city keep getting returned to their control? And if none of them matter, why did Putin spend so much time and effort and blood taking them in the first place?

    Verily, PhysicistDave, thou art a man of great faith. No evidence is needed to secure thy belief.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    My teeny little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:

    [Dave] “It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy.”

    [HA] Let’s take a quick peek at Twitter to check if anyone else takes it seriously. As of five hours ago we have this:

    Oh, wow!!! Twitter!!!!

    How many nukes does Twitter have, little buddy?

    Twitter = “no one.”

    My teeny buddy also asked me:

    If they can’t win, why does city after city keep getting returned to their control?

    Look at a map of the territory controlled by the Axis Powers at the end of the summer of 1942. Wow!!! The Axis had won!! End of the war!!

    Except that is not how wars are won. That is not how wars have ever been won.

    As I keep trying to teach you (and you are a very, very poor student!), you win a war by creating a situation in which the other side is either unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    Which is what the Allies did in both WW I and WW II — despite the absolutely stunning successes that the Central Powers and the Axis had in seizing territory.

    And what determines that outcome over the long term?

    Largely the resources on both sides in terms of manpower and productivity: amateurs think strategy but professionals think logistics. And Russia’s overwhelming population and resource disparity vis a vis Ukraine is going to be decisive.

    The other issue is of course determination: the US, for example, just gave up in Vietnam — not worth the candle.

    But determination alone does not win the war: the Japanese were heroically determined to win in the Pacific Theater in WW II — they still lost.

    If neither side is willing to throw in the towel, in the end resources win: again, amateurs think strategy but professionals think logistics.

    And the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation means that it will be unbelievably hard for any Russian leader to just throw in the towel.

    Before they hired you as an agent of influence, didn’t they bother to teach you anything at all about military history, little HAsbara?

    • Replies: @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "How many nukes does Twitter have, little buddy?"

    The same number as the number of divisions the pope has, if that's what you're referencing. But it's not always about divisions or nukes, PhysicistDave. And you didn't say "no one with nukes" takes the Budapest Memorandum seriously. You said "no one" period. If you're gonna shift your goalposts around, you ought to admit you lost the first round, given that goalpost-shifting is already a tacit admission to that end.

    But to answer your followup question, the US has a few nukes, as I recall, and they certainly take the Budapest Memorandum seriously. For exaple, here's Antony Blinken taking note of it.

    You know who the US ambassador in Budapest was at the time the Budapest Memorandum was signed? It was a gentleman by the name of Donald M. Blinken, who just happens to be the father of Antony. Wow, what are the odds? That being the case, it looks like you picked a bad week to try and pretend the Budapest Memorandum doesn't get taken seriously any more. But I can see why Moscow wants to keep pretending that, and hopes that if none of their trolls make an issue of it, it will somehow be forgotten. Fat chance, I say, but then, Russians are known for pretending that problems will simply go away and not exist as long as no one mentions them. De Custine noted that some two centuries ago, and I suspect that belief is part of the reason why Putin is in the mess he's in at the moment. Thanks for helping to put him there.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  175. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    Again, many of my friends were and are Russian-lovers actually, especially before the last few months. Not just this guy, though I will admit most of my Russian-lover friends have never been to Ukraine.

    If I were to generalize you as your are me I could claim that most of your friends are Putin-lovers or something, though I don't know any of your friends in the real world so I won't say that

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    Again, many of my friends were and are Russian-lovers actually, especially before the last few months.

    Well… they loved Russia back when they thought Russia would roll over for the West, eh?

    ‘Nuff said. You just made my point.

    • Replies: @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    Some of them, like the one I mentioned earlier, were still pro Russia in first month or so of the 2022 Invasion/War, but over the course of it have changed their minds entirely.

    Uniting our two threads, with regards to your other post, why even call it a SMO or special military operation, that's just silly. We can call a skunk a skunk and call it a war, no need for silly euphemisms that bureaucrats and politicians have thought up.

    And now that I think of it, your logic of "The Killing must stop" and Putin ending the war doesn't make any sense. Putin's accelerated the rate of killing 10 times, 100 times over.

    When the war was limited to moderate Ukrainian activity vs moderate Donbassian Republics and moderate Russian support almost all in a few Donbass areas there were about 14,000 people killed in an 8 year time period, 80%+ of which was over the first year, 90%+ in the first two years of 2014-2015. Now in less than 7 and a half months well over 100,000 people have been killed in the full-scale Russia vs Ukraine invasive war.

    If Putin hadn't have fully intervened and decided to make it a full blown war we'd almost certainly have 95,000+ less people killed than we have in reality. It would have taken well over 60, 70+ or more to get the same amount of people killed in the low scale war that was happening the Donbass from 2014- mid February 2022, and more than a century at the rate of deaths we had from late 2015 to 2022.

    95%+ of the Killings could have been stopped in 2022, and almost 100% of the Russian Army deaths could have been stopped if Putin didn't invade. His invading the Donbass has not and will not stop the killings, but only guaranteed that there have been and will be far more killings than there every would have been without him invading.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

  176. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    Okay fine, forgot about the time or time frame. What does Putin bringing the war to an end look like? What's the end territory that the war ends on, and what is the status of Ukraine and Russia, and their relationship?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha asked me:

    Okay fine, forgot about the time or time frame. What does Putin bringing the war to an end look like? What’s the end territory that the war ends on, and what is the status of Ukraine and Russia, and their relationship?

    Long before the SMO, Moscow made clear what its minimal demands were: Kiev must respect the Minsk accords, and the puppet regime in Kiev must not join NATO.

    Since Kiev would not honor the Minsk accords, the Donbass is now part of Russia.

    So the road to peace is pretty clear-cut: Kiev accepts that the Donbass and Crimea are part of Russia, and the rump Ukraine does not ever join NATO.

    Will the US Deep State allow Kiev to accept that? It doesn’t look like it.

    In which case Kiev may also lose Odessa, and Zelensky and his henchmen may end up dead.

    Obviously, neither you nor I knows exactly how this will play out.

    But Moscow has made pretty clear that it will go to total war to guarantee that Kiev does not control the Donbass and that Kiev does not join NATO. It looks as if Moscow means it, don’t you think?

    By the way, my own guess is that NATO would defeat Russia if it becomes all-out war, but at truly horrifying cost to Europe, if — and it is a very big “if” — China stays out.

    I hope it will not come to that.

  177. @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    Again, many of my friends were and are Russian-lovers actually, especially before the last few months.
     
    Well... they loved Russia back when they thought Russia would roll over for the West, eh?

    'Nuff said. You just made my point.

    Replies: @Alyosha

    Some of them, like the one I mentioned earlier, were still pro Russia in first month or so of the 2022 Invasion/War, but over the course of it have changed their minds entirely.

    Uniting our two threads, with regards to your other post, why even call it a SMO or special military operation, that’s just silly. We can call a skunk a skunk and call it a war, no need for silly euphemisms that bureaucrats and politicians have thought up.

    And now that I think of it, your logic of “The Killing must stop” and Putin ending the war doesn’t make any sense. Putin’s accelerated the rate of killing 10 times, 100 times over.

    When the war was limited to moderate Ukrainian activity vs moderate Donbassian Republics and moderate Russian support almost all in a few Donbass areas there were about 14,000 people killed in an 8 year time period, 80%+ of which was over the first year, 90%+ in the first two years of 2014-2015. Now in less than 7 and a half months well over 100,000 people have been killed in the full-scale Russia vs Ukraine invasive war.

    If Putin hadn’t have fully intervened and decided to make it a full blown war we’d almost certainly have 95,000+ less people killed than we have in reality. It would have taken well over 60, 70+ or more to get the same amount of people killed in the low scale war that was happening the Donbass from 2014- mid February 2022, and more than a century at the rate of deaths we had from late 2015 to 2022.

    95%+ of the Killings could have been stopped in 2022, and almost 100% of the Russian Army deaths could have been stopped if Putin didn’t invade. His invading the Donbass has not and will not stop the killings, but only guaranteed that there have been and will be far more killings than there every would have been without him invading.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Alyosha

    Alyosha wrote to me:


    And now that I think of it, your logic of “The Killing must stop” and Putin ending the war doesn’t make any sense. Putin’s accelerated the rate of killing 10 times, 100 times over.
     
    You seem to be suffering from some delusions about my views, even though I have stated them again and again and again.

    I did not advocate that Putin intervene in February. I am not an advisor to Putin. I have said, again and again and again, that I am doubtful that his intervention was in the best interest of the Russian people.

    But the killing does need to stop, and the fact is that there are only two ways that will happen in the next six months or so:

    A) Russia destroys the Kiev regime so that Ukraine surrenders unconditionally.

    B) There is a negotiated peace acceptable to Russia.

    I trust you agree with me that A will involve enormous loss of life, and so I favor B.

    I know that the Penis-Piano-Player worshipers here maintain there is a third option -- Putin could just quit. It is fine with me if he does just quit -- this is not my war.

    But I am pretty certain he will not, at least not in the next six months or so.

    Realistically, A or B is the only way that this war will end in the next six months.

    You say that more people are dying because of Putin intervening than if he had not intervened. Perhaps. As I said, I did not call for him to intervene.

    I think that if you could talk to him, he would say that the Kiev regime was going to keep killing people forever, and that the Kiev regime was likely to ramp up their killing over time. Also, that the purpose of the killing by the Kiev regime was to terrorize people in the Donbass to force them to submit to Kiev, and he wanted to bring an end to the terror.

    You ca debate all that -- again, this is not my war. I just want the killing to stop.

    However, it is my government that is encouraging the puppet regime to continue fighting even though there is a clear road to peace. And that is my affair.

    Alyosha also wrote to me:

    Uniting our two threads, with regards to your other post, why even call it a SMO or special military operation, that’s just silly.
     
    No, it is not silly: I was distinguishing the Russian Federation intervention -- the so-called SMO -- which has been going on for a bit over six months, from the war, which has been going on for over eight years.

    Using the term "SMO" is a simple, concise, and clear way to distinguish the long-term war from the recent Russian Federation intervention.

    Alyosha also wrote:

    His invading the Donbass has not and will not stop the killings, but only guaranteed that there have been and will be far more killings than there every would have been without him invading.
     
    Perhaps. Perhaps not. Again, Putin does not take my advice, I did not call for him to intervene in the Donbass, and I have said repeatedly that I am doubtful that it is in the best interest of the Russian people for him to have done so.

    But it is a matter of fact that Putin did not start this tragedy: the truth matters. The US Deep State orchestrated the putsch that overthrew of the elected government of Ukraine in 2014, the newly installed puppet regime then started murdering people in the Donbass who chose not to accept the putsch, and the US and its captive nations poured a lot of resources into Kiev, before the SMO, to aid Kiev in its atrocities in the Donbass.

    The Penis-Piano-Player worshipers here get apoplectic every time I and others point out these facts, which, of course, is precisely why we need to point them out.

    Does that mean Putin was wise to initiate the SMO? No, not necessarily, but it does help explain why he did so.

    And it makes very clear the other motive that the Kremlin has stated again and again: to prevent the US Deep State from conquering the nations surrounding Russia in order to destroy Russia -- a goal which American officials have repeatedly and publicly declared.

    It is hard to believe that any other Great Power would have shown as much forbearance as the Kremlin has shown: certainly the US has never been as restrained when foreign powers intervened in its backyard (e.g., the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Grenada affair, and, more generally, the Monroe Doctrine).

    I am an anarchist: I have no faith in any government or any politician -- certainly not in Putin or the current leadership in the Kremlin.

    But, as an anarchist, I think it is crucial to tell the truth, especially when militarists are beating the drums of war to draw my own country even deeper into a conflict half-way around the world.

    And that is what is happening now.

    No one -- not even Putin himself and certainly not I -- suggests that Vladimir Putin is a saint.

    But the incessant lying from the US Deep State and its hangers-on led to this tragedy.

    And it can only be ended if we stop lying and start telling the truth.

    The killing must stop.
  178. @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My teeny little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:


    [Dave] “It seems that no one except you takes it seriously, little buddy.”

    [HA] Let’s take a quick peek at Twitter to check if anyone else takes it seriously. As of five hours ago we have this:
     
    Oh, wow!!! Twitter!!!!

    How many nukes does Twitter have, little buddy?

    Twitter = "no one."

    My teeny buddy also asked me:

    If they can’t win, why does city after city keep getting returned to their control?
     
    Look at a map of the territory controlled by the Axis Powers at the end of the summer of 1942. Wow!!! The Axis had won!! End of the war!!

    Except that is not how wars are won. That is not how wars have ever been won.

    As I keep trying to teach you (and you are a very, very poor student!), you win a war by creating a situation in which the other side is either unable or unwilling to continue fighting.

    Which is what the Allies did in both WW I and WW II -- despite the absolutely stunning successes that the Central Powers and the Axis had in seizing territory.

    And what determines that outcome over the long term?

    Largely the resources on both sides in terms of manpower and productivity: amateurs think strategy but professionals think logistics. And Russia's overwhelming population and resource disparity vis a vis Ukraine is going to be decisive.

    The other issue is of course determination: the US, for example, just gave up in Vietnam -- not worth the candle.

    But determination alone does not win the war: the Japanese were heroically determined to win in the Pacific Theater in WW II -- they still lost.

    If neither side is willing to throw in the towel, in the end resources win: again, amateurs think strategy but professionals think logistics.

    And the accession of the Donbass to the Russian Federation means that it will be unbelievably hard for any Russian leader to just throw in the towel.

    Before they hired you as an agent of influence, didn't they bother to teach you anything at all about military history, little HAsbara?

    Replies: @HA

    “How many nukes does Twitter have, little buddy?”

    The same number as the number of divisions the pope has, if that’s what you’re referencing. But it’s not always about divisions or nukes, PhysicistDave. And you didn’t say “no one with nukes” takes the Budapest Memorandum seriously. You said “no one” period. If you’re gonna shift your goalposts around, you ought to admit you lost the first round, given that goalpost-shifting is already a tacit admission to that end.

    But to answer your followup question, the US has a few nukes, as I recall, and they certainly take the Budapest Memorandum seriously. For exaple, here’s Antony Blinken taking note of it.

    You know who the US ambassador in Budapest was at the time the Budapest Memorandum was signed? It was a gentleman by the name of Donald M. Blinken, who just happens to be the father of Antony. Wow, what are the odds? That being the case, it looks like you picked a bad week to try and pretend the Budapest Memorandum doesn’t get taken seriously any more. But I can see why Moscow wants to keep pretending that, and hopes that if none of their trolls make an issue of it, it will somehow be forgotten. Fat chance, I say, but then, Russians are known for pretending that problems will simply go away and not exist as long as no one mentions them. De Custine noted that some two centuries ago, and I suspect that belief is part of the reason why Putin is in the mess he’s in at the moment. Thanks for helping to put him there.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @HA

    My teeny little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:


    But to answer your followup question, the US has a few nukes, as I recall, and they certainly take the Budapest Memorandum seriously. For exaple, here’s Antony Blinken taking note of it.
     
    Tony Blinken is a failed rock star -- think of him as a bush-league PeeWee Herman.

    A joke.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    You know who the US ambassador in Budapest was at the time the Budapest Memorandum was signed? It was a gentleman by the name of Donald M. Blinken, who just happens to be the father of Antony. Wow, what are the odds?
     
    The nut does not fall far from the tree, eh?

    One nutjob is father to another.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    But I can see why Moscow wants to keep pretending that, and hopes that if none of their trolls make an issue of it, it will somehow be forgotten. Fat chance, I say, but then, Russians are known for pretending that problems will simply go away and not exist as long as no one mentions them
     
    The Kremlin showed incredibly more forbearance in tolerating the US Deep State meddling in its backyard than the US has ever shown when foreign powers intervened near the US.

    The Kremlin has reached the point where they just do not give a damn what apologists for the US Deep State like you say.

    And, frankly, neither does anyone else.

    There must be a negotiated peace.

    So that the killing can stop.
  179. @Alyosha
    @PhysicistDave

    Some of them, like the one I mentioned earlier, were still pro Russia in first month or so of the 2022 Invasion/War, but over the course of it have changed their minds entirely.

    Uniting our two threads, with regards to your other post, why even call it a SMO or special military operation, that's just silly. We can call a skunk a skunk and call it a war, no need for silly euphemisms that bureaucrats and politicians have thought up.

    And now that I think of it, your logic of "The Killing must stop" and Putin ending the war doesn't make any sense. Putin's accelerated the rate of killing 10 times, 100 times over.

    When the war was limited to moderate Ukrainian activity vs moderate Donbassian Republics and moderate Russian support almost all in a few Donbass areas there were about 14,000 people killed in an 8 year time period, 80%+ of which was over the first year, 90%+ in the first two years of 2014-2015. Now in less than 7 and a half months well over 100,000 people have been killed in the full-scale Russia vs Ukraine invasive war.

    If Putin hadn't have fully intervened and decided to make it a full blown war we'd almost certainly have 95,000+ less people killed than we have in reality. It would have taken well over 60, 70+ or more to get the same amount of people killed in the low scale war that was happening the Donbass from 2014- mid February 2022, and more than a century at the rate of deaths we had from late 2015 to 2022.

    95%+ of the Killings could have been stopped in 2022, and almost 100% of the Russian Army deaths could have been stopped if Putin didn't invade. His invading the Donbass has not and will not stop the killings, but only guaranteed that there have been and will be far more killings than there every would have been without him invading.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    Alyosha wrote to me:

    And now that I think of it, your logic of “The Killing must stop” and Putin ending the war doesn’t make any sense. Putin’s accelerated the rate of killing 10 times, 100 times over.

    You seem to be suffering from some delusions about my views, even though I have stated them again and again and again.

    I did not advocate that Putin intervene in February. I am not an advisor to Putin. I have said, again and again and again, that I am doubtful that his intervention was in the best interest of the Russian people.

    But the killing does need to stop, and the fact is that there are only two ways that will happen in the next six months or so:

    A) Russia destroys the Kiev regime so that Ukraine surrenders unconditionally.

    B) There is a negotiated peace acceptable to Russia.

    I trust you agree with me that A will involve enormous loss of life, and so I favor B.

    I know that the Penis-Piano-Player worshipers here maintain there is a third option — Putin could just quit. It is fine with me if he does just quit — this is not my war.

    But I am pretty certain he will not, at least not in the next six months or so.

    Realistically, A or B is the only way that this war will end in the next six months.

    You say that more people are dying because of Putin intervening than if he had not intervened. Perhaps. As I said, I did not call for him to intervene.

    I think that if you could talk to him, he would say that the Kiev regime was going to keep killing people forever, and that the Kiev regime was likely to ramp up their killing over time. Also, that the purpose of the killing by the Kiev regime was to terrorize people in the Donbass to force them to submit to Kiev, and he wanted to bring an end to the terror.

    You ca debate all that — again, this is not my war. I just want the killing to stop.

    However, it is my government that is encouraging the puppet regime to continue fighting even though there is a clear road to peace. And that is my affair.

    Alyosha also wrote to me:

    Uniting our two threads, with regards to your other post, why even call it a SMO or special military operation, that’s just silly.

    No, it is not silly: I was distinguishing the Russian Federation intervention — the so-called SMO — which has been going on for a bit over six months, from the war, which has been going on for over eight years.

    Using the term “SMO” is a simple, concise, and clear way to distinguish the long-term war from the recent Russian Federation intervention.

    Alyosha also wrote:

    His invading the Donbass has not and will not stop the killings, but only guaranteed that there have been and will be far more killings than there every would have been without him invading.

    Perhaps. Perhaps not. Again, Putin does not take my advice, I did not call for him to intervene in the Donbass, and I have said repeatedly that I am doubtful that it is in the best interest of the Russian people for him to have done so.

    But it is a matter of fact that Putin did not start this tragedy: the truth matters. The US Deep State orchestrated the putsch that overthrew of the elected government of Ukraine in 2014, the newly installed puppet regime then started murdering people in the Donbass who chose not to accept the putsch, and the US and its captive nations poured a lot of resources into Kiev, before the SMO, to aid Kiev in its atrocities in the Donbass.

    The Penis-Piano-Player worshipers here get apoplectic every time I and others point out these facts, which, of course, is precisely why we need to point them out.

    Does that mean Putin was wise to initiate the SMO? No, not necessarily, but it does help explain why he did so.

    And it makes very clear the other motive that the Kremlin has stated again and again: to prevent the US Deep State from conquering the nations surrounding Russia in order to destroy Russia — a goal which American officials have repeatedly and publicly declared.

    It is hard to believe that any other Great Power would have shown as much forbearance as the Kremlin has shown: certainly the US has never been as restrained when foreign powers intervened in its backyard (e.g., the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Grenada affair, and, more generally, the Monroe Doctrine).

    I am an anarchist: I have no faith in any government or any politician — certainly not in Putin or the current leadership in the Kremlin.

    But, as an anarchist, I think it is crucial to tell the truth, especially when militarists are beating the drums of war to draw my own country even deeper into a conflict half-way around the world.

    And that is what is happening now.

    No one — not even Putin himself and certainly not I — suggests that Vladimir Putin is a saint.

    But the incessant lying from the US Deep State and its hangers-on led to this tragedy.

    And it can only be ended if we stop lying and start telling the truth.

    The killing must stop.

  180. @HA
    @PhysicistDave

    "How many nukes does Twitter have, little buddy?"

    The same number as the number of divisions the pope has, if that's what you're referencing. But it's not always about divisions or nukes, PhysicistDave. And you didn't say "no one with nukes" takes the Budapest Memorandum seriously. You said "no one" period. If you're gonna shift your goalposts around, you ought to admit you lost the first round, given that goalpost-shifting is already a tacit admission to that end.

    But to answer your followup question, the US has a few nukes, as I recall, and they certainly take the Budapest Memorandum seriously. For exaple, here's Antony Blinken taking note of it.

    You know who the US ambassador in Budapest was at the time the Budapest Memorandum was signed? It was a gentleman by the name of Donald M. Blinken, who just happens to be the father of Antony. Wow, what are the odds? That being the case, it looks like you picked a bad week to try and pretend the Budapest Memorandum doesn't get taken seriously any more. But I can see why Moscow wants to keep pretending that, and hopes that if none of their trolls make an issue of it, it will somehow be forgotten. Fat chance, I say, but then, Russians are known for pretending that problems will simply go away and not exist as long as no one mentions them. De Custine noted that some two centuries ago, and I suspect that belief is part of the reason why Putin is in the mess he's in at the moment. Thanks for helping to put him there.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave

    My teeny little buddy HAsbara wrote to me:

    But to answer your followup question, the US has a few nukes, as I recall, and they certainly take the Budapest Memorandum seriously. For exaple, here’s Antony Blinken taking note of it.

    Tony Blinken is a failed rock star — think of him as a bush-league PeeWee Herman.

    A joke.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    You know who the US ambassador in Budapest was at the time the Budapest Memorandum was signed? It was a gentleman by the name of Donald M. Blinken, who just happens to be the father of Antony. Wow, what are the odds?

    The nut does not fall far from the tree, eh?

    One nutjob is father to another.

    HAsbara also wrote:

    But I can see why Moscow wants to keep pretending that, and hopes that if none of their trolls make an issue of it, it will somehow be forgotten. Fat chance, I say, but then, Russians are known for pretending that problems will simply go away and not exist as long as no one mentions them

    The Kremlin showed incredibly more forbearance in tolerating the US Deep State meddling in its backyard than the US has ever shown when foreign powers intervened near the US.

    The Kremlin has reached the point where they just do not give a damn what apologists for the US Deep State like you say.

    And, frankly, neither does anyone else.

    There must be a negotiated peace.

    So that the killing can stop.

  181. @J.Ross
    @Twinkie

    I felt like this after Biden stole the election. Now there is reason for hope.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: “For the enemies of Russia, the morning does not begin with coffee.” We build our happiness with our own hands: who presumes to destroy it, we ask him to pay with his blood.

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