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Is this a map of 2016 Hillary voters or of 2015 gun violence?

From The Guardian last January:

Like income inequality, murder inequality in America is stark

To illustrate how much St. Louis is beset by Murder Inequality, The Guardian provided these two graphics. First, a utopian St. Louis of perfect Murder Equality:

Screenshot 2017-03-21 23.00.30

Wouldn’t that be nice?

Second, the real dystopian St. Louis of Murder Inequality:

Screenshot 2017-03-21 23.01.22

It may look like murder in St. Louis correlates with where blacks live, but you’re wrong! It correlates with racial segregation.

Anyway, we don’t call it “murder” anymore because “murder” is associated in the uneducated popular mind with “murderers,” which implies agency. Instead, we now call it “gun violence.” And gun violence “falls,” like the dew, if the dew mostly fell on black segregated neighborhoods.

Gun violence is a regressive tax that falls heaviest on neighborhoods already struggling with poverty, unemployment, and failing schools. The unequal burden of violence is also marked by intense racial disparities.

“It’s not about race, per se, it’s about how other conditions are racialized, are racially inequitable,” said Lauren Krivo, a Rutgers University sociologist who studies the geography of race and crime.

Occam’s Butterknife.

 
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  1. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Murder Inequality’.

    What a wonderful concept! – surely this has to be the ultimate in the state ensuring ‘equality of opportunities’ for all.
    One awaits with keen interest the imposition of hired stealth assassins, serial killers, random maniacs etc in the white bread suburbs.
    Will make life more interesting, or ‘vibrant’, as the argot goes, if nothing else.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Anonymous

    Note well here that there is absolutely no suggestion that the murder rate in the 'hood should drop to non-'hood levels. They want the non-'hood rate to rise as a form of punishment.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Anonymous

    "Car violence" kills about 100 people in the US every day.

  2. Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality. They’re always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of ‘black-on-black crime’–because, of course, they’re secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn’t really exist.

    If it weren’t for a continuous, 24/7 supply of MSM propaganda, some of these contortions might become too ridiculous to maintain. Meanwhile, they can now put their vaunted ‘virtue’ to the test. Why wait, SGWs? Do it now!

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Kyle McKenna


    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality.
     
    So what nice lily white suburb does Lauren Krivo live in? Lily white meaning you might have Asians aka honorary whites.
    Internet sez:
    Summary: Age: 60 - 02/23/1957 --- currently lives in Philadelphia , PA. Before that, lived in Belmont , MA. is related to Robert Kaufman. https://www.mylife.com/lauren-krivo/e457056440298

    Belmont , MA. --- Mitt Romney and family used to live there. Has a large Mormon church.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    , @CK
    @Kyle McKenna

    I think you meant white-on-black crime which does not exist; black-on-white crime does.

    Replies: @FPD72

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Kyle McKenna

    Kyle....Bingo! You want equality in violence, go hang around a violent neighborhood. Well, actually, neighborhoods aren't violent, but you know where I mean. I pointed out a perfect opportunity for SJW to put their money where their mouths are. UCLA is scheduled to play basketball in Memphis , Tennessee. California has a "Travel Ban" against teams going to states with "Bathroom Laws." Boycott the game, forbid the Bruins from travelling to Memphis. Keep you fan's money out of Tennessee. Show us how passionate you are about what you preach.

    , @David In TN
    @Kyle McKenna

    "They're always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of 'black-on-black crime'--because of course they're secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn't really exist."

    Once or twice a year the MSM runs a whimpering story about "young black males are the main victims of gun violence in America."

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

  3. Ms. Professor Krivo is another “nice white lady” PhD fixated on race (that “social construct” that supposedly has no biological basis) as the foundation of the universe.

    Her Rutgers faculty listing:

    Lauren Krivo is Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University and a faculty affiliate of the Criminal Justice Program. Her research seeks to understand the interconnections among societal racialized structures and inequality in social outcomes across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. Her book Divergent Social Worlds: Neighborhood Crime and the Racial-Spatial Divide (2010) shows that inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas. She has published widely on the role of segregation in city and neighborhood crime as well as contributing to broader academic dialogue on race, ethnicity, crime, and justice through her co-edited volumes: The Many Colors of Crime: Inequalities of Race, Ethnicity and Crime in America and “Race, Crime, and Justice: Contexts and Complexities” The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

    Her current research also examines the macro-structural underpinnings [of] violence as well as the sources and consequences of local spatial inequality with a particular focus on travel and mobility through residential and non-residential neighborhood spaces.

    Krivo is the co-founder of the Racial Democracy, Crime and Justice Network (RDCJN) with Ruth D. Peterson. The RDCJN is a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship at the intersection of race, crime, and justice, and promote the success of junior scholars of color through its Summer Research Institute.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    @CCZ

    I suppose that her solution would be to move the people most likely to commit murder (young black men, particularly those involved in the drug trade) from the neighborhoods in which they now live, to neighborhoods where murder is very rare, in order to change those "other racialized conditions," and have more people murdered in what is now the more peaceful part of town. I suggest a pilot program involving her neighborhood, and featuring men who are already murder suspects as her next-door neighbors. Gotta equalize those murder results! Anything less would be insensitive!

    , @Anonymous Nephew
    @CCZ

    "inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas"

    I guess a hugely increased risk of being robbed or shot is a pretty extraordinary differential.


    (I wonder what kind of area Ms Krivo lives in?)

    Replies: @amused, @Olorin

    , @ic1000
    @CCZ

    While nice white lady sociologists like Dr. Krivo have much to offer in the way of Laputa-worthy theories, it's too bad that so few humanities professors choose a path like that of Peter Moskos. Before becoming Asst. Professor at John Jay College, he was a beat cop. I doubt Moskos' views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter, but he is alert to the realities of the issues he writes about. It would be a huge improvement if that was normal for academicians.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Ragno, @amused, @Steve Sailer

    , @Ed
    @CCZ

    One thing I've noticed recently is that academics or sociologists will go ahead & publish a study that is unfavorable to blacks. However they make sure to say in the conclusions or preamble that it's not blacks fault or that they aren't racist.

    The Economist cited a study which pretty much said blacks were lazy and was the cause of much of the racial gap. The authors go on to make clear that they hate Trump and all his works to avoid accusations that they're racist.

    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21715998-establishing-cause-remains-hazardous-new-research-suggests-effort-work

    Replies: @Lot

    , @Jake
    @CCZ

    Black people believe all this shite and then act it out precisely because a number of rich whites always have believed such absurdities and demanded that we all bow to them. Yes, blacks are naturally prone to be more violent because they are more impulsive with a much shorter sense of time relating to causes and results, like teenagers. But if not for the vicious tribe of white liberals, blacks would be much better behaved.

    , @Karl
    @CCZ

    3 CCZ > a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship


    = "get grant money"


    if the alt-right would just outbid the Soros crowd, they could buy the Sociology-claque's expressed-feelings in academic journals worldwide.

    As for me, I propose to put all the Sociologists into the Chain Gang.

  4. @Kyle McKenna
    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality. They're always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of 'black-on-black crime'--because, of course, they're secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn't really exist.

    If it weren't for a continuous, 24/7 supply of MSM propaganda, some of these contortions might become too ridiculous to maintain. Meanwhile, they can now put their vaunted 'virtue' to the test. Why wait, SGWs? Do it now!

    Replies: @Clyde, @CK, @Buffalo Joe, @David In TN

    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality.

    So what nice lily white suburb does Lauren Krivo live in? Lily white meaning you might have Asians aka honorary whites.
    Internet sez:
    Summary: Age: 60 – 02/23/1957 — currently lives in Philadelphia , PA. Before that, lived in Belmont , MA. is related to Robert Kaufman. https://www.mylife.com/lauren-krivo/e457056440298

    Belmont , MA. — Mitt Romney and family used to live there. Has a large Mormon church.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Belmont, not Fishtown?

    Replies: @Tom-in-VA

    , @Brutusale
    @Clyde

    The only minorities she ever met in Belmont, MA were landscapers.

    Median single-family house: $904K

  5. I wonder if that’s a Mercator projection?

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  6. Anonymous [AKA "Ivory"] says:

    Classic Steven Sailor material. I love the passive tense. As if there was some force of nature that rains gun violence on black neighborhoods inundating it in murder.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Anonymous

    One hears it in the news all the time. 3 people died today in the 5th street subway station because shots were fired.

    These articles do say where. But who did it and what happened are buried.

  7. I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP’s single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion and gun regulations, but those are both in the top 5.

    Instead of those issues, Trump is getting himself trapped in the health care bill quagmire, going to bat for Paul Ryan’s horrible bill that will cause about 30 million Americans to lose health insurance and give big tax cuts to the wealthy on their already lightly taxed investment income.

    Mickey Kaus predicted back in early January that Ryan would stop Trump from passing immigration reform by suckering him into health care issues. I thought he was being paranoid, but here we are in the third week of health care dominating the news cycle and Trump’s approval now down into the 30’s.

    • Replies: @Steve Richter
    @Lot


    going to bat for Paul Ryan’s horrible bill
     
    Trump has no ideas on how to structure the health care system? Do any of his department secretaries? What about Ivanka? Has she given the matter any thought? I read the WSJ editorials every day. They have nothing also.

    The answer is to have two systems. One government funded. A VA style system of health clinics and hospitals. You get treated, but you might have to wait a while. Have people pay what they can afford to pay. The other system is private. Used by those who can afford health insurance payments.
    , @NOTA
    @Lot

    I wonder if Trump supporting this stupid Son-of-Obamacare bill is Ryan's price for going along with Trump's domestic agenda in other places. Alternatively, maybe Trump and company are hoping it goes down in flames so they can propose something more popular. Or can just leave it in place with some cosmetic tweaks and say "hey, we tried to repeal it but the opposition in congress was just too great."

    Ryan is in the green eyeshade wing of the party and presumably cares about long term budget sustainability and a potential death spiral, but I don't think Trump does.

    Our inability to get control of medical costs is in the process of eating the whole budget, but that's in the future. Besides that, it's hard to believe Ryan and company have any useful ideas to stop medical inflation that they would be willing to pursue over the objections of their donors. We can't even have Medicare negotiate drug prices down (which wouldn't stop medical inflation but would at least cut our costs a bit) because the pharmaceutical companies have too much influence. Hell, the whole abortion that is Obamacare exists because Obama's health care reform had to guarantee the interests of the health insurance industry.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Lot

    I agree. Health Care should have been handled slowly, piecemeal, and later. It was not one of Trump's big issues. The focus in the first year should be immigration, crime, economic growth, and infrastructure. Mickey Kaus was (as he often is) right - Ryan is using this to torpedo Trump's agenda.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Lot

    I don't understand Ryan's power. I find just his mug viscerally off-putting. It's so strong that I can't take him seriously as... anything. How can he be who he is? It's a terrible world we live in.

    , @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    Lot never passes up an opportunity to put on his zipper mask.

    As someone from the inside, I can tell you that the changes in immigration policy have been yuge, but don't let me stop you from getting your gimp on.

    Have you thought that maybe Trump is letting Ryan go out on a ledge and obliterate himself as a power center? Wasting his juice on this dog of a bill and then when it fails, telling him maybe new blood is needed?

    Nah, its been doom non-stop since August. When this works out in Trump's favor you'll just find something else to gimp up about.

    Replies: @res

    , @IHTG
    @Lot


    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP’s single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion
     
    Nah. Core Americans (like Donald Trump) kind of like blacks, but don't care about Hispanics.
  8. Steve, you’re right to needle this, yet another, piece of apparently knowing, rational-sounding academic tripe. You hit the reason on the head, too: the absence of individual moral agency. This is the kind of stuff that bollixes the minds of undergraduates, and turns some of them into budding social engineers.

    I’m actually okay with “circumstantiality” as having some greater or lesser explanatory power for individual behaviors. But, “gun violence is a regressive tax” on Blacks? Come one, Prof. Krivo! My memory is that anti-gun laws have been motivated to some extent by a desire to keep guns away from Blacks. Can Professor Krivo point to a single instance of a legislature imposing “gun violence” on Blacks? Jeez!

  9. All neighborhoods must bear their fair share of murders.

    No, wait!

    Gun violence is a regressive tax…

    We all know that progressive taxes are so much more decent and right. Wealthier neighborhoods should shoulder a higher murder rate, because they have so much more wealth, and also better employment and better schools, which will help them cope better with the aftermath of loved ones being offed.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @PiltdownMan

    Piltdown, I have lived in my Buffalo suburb for 30 plus years. There have been 8 murders,that I can recall, within a two mile radius of my house. Every killing was family or relationship related. I feel safe here even though my town doesn't have a police department. I would like for me and my family to be spared, so do you think lawn signs would be the way to go?

    , @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing! This article is proof that we need it. :(

  10. @CCZ
    Ms. Professor Krivo is another "nice white lady" PhD fixated on race (that "social construct" that supposedly has no biological basis) as the foundation of the universe.

    Her Rutgers faculty listing:

    Lauren Krivo is Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University and a faculty affiliate of the Criminal Justice Program. Her research seeks to understand the interconnections among societal racialized structures and inequality in social outcomes across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. Her book Divergent Social Worlds: Neighborhood Crime and the Racial-Spatial Divide (2010) shows that inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas. She has published widely on the role of segregation in city and neighborhood crime as well as contributing to broader academic dialogue on race, ethnicity, crime, and justice through her co-edited volumes: The Many Colors of Crime: Inequalities of Race, Ethnicity and Crime in America and “Race, Crime, and Justice: Contexts and Complexities” The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

    Her current research also examines the macro-structural underpinnings [of] violence as well as the sources and consequences of local spatial inequality with a particular focus on travel and mobility through residential and non-residential neighborhood spaces.

    Krivo is the co-founder of the Racial Democracy, Crime and Justice Network (RDCJN) with Ruth D. Peterson. The RDCJN is a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship at the intersection of race, crime, and justice, and promote the success of junior scholars of color through its Summer Research Institute.


     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous Nephew, @ic1000, @Ed, @Jake, @Karl

    I suppose that her solution would be to move the people most likely to commit murder (young black men, particularly those involved in the drug trade) from the neighborhoods in which they now live, to neighborhoods where murder is very rare, in order to change those “other racialized conditions,” and have more people murdered in what is now the more peaceful part of town. I suggest a pilot program involving her neighborhood, and featuring men who are already murder suspects as her next-door neighbors. Gotta equalize those murder results! Anything less would be insensitive!

  11. How is that no one laughs in her face when she tells such jokes?

    You Americans lost your sense of humor.

  12. @CCZ
    Ms. Professor Krivo is another "nice white lady" PhD fixated on race (that "social construct" that supposedly has no biological basis) as the foundation of the universe.

    Her Rutgers faculty listing:

    Lauren Krivo is Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University and a faculty affiliate of the Criminal Justice Program. Her research seeks to understand the interconnections among societal racialized structures and inequality in social outcomes across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. Her book Divergent Social Worlds: Neighborhood Crime and the Racial-Spatial Divide (2010) shows that inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas. She has published widely on the role of segregation in city and neighborhood crime as well as contributing to broader academic dialogue on race, ethnicity, crime, and justice through her co-edited volumes: The Many Colors of Crime: Inequalities of Race, Ethnicity and Crime in America and “Race, Crime, and Justice: Contexts and Complexities” The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

    Her current research also examines the macro-structural underpinnings [of] violence as well as the sources and consequences of local spatial inequality with a particular focus on travel and mobility through residential and non-residential neighborhood spaces.

    Krivo is the co-founder of the Racial Democracy, Crime and Justice Network (RDCJN) with Ruth D. Peterson. The RDCJN is a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship at the intersection of race, crime, and justice, and promote the success of junior scholars of color through its Summer Research Institute.


     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous Nephew, @ic1000, @Ed, @Jake, @Karl

    “inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas”

    I guess a hugely increased risk of being robbed or shot is a pretty extraordinary differential.

    (I wonder what kind of area Ms Krivo lives in?)

    • Replies: @amused
    @Anonymous Nephew

    @Anonymous Nephew
    "I wonder what kind of area Ms Krivo lives in?"
    The lady lives in cuckooland. To reach there, you turn left on Democrats Blvd, drive past Lalaland, than turn right after you see the insane asylum on the south side.

    , @Olorin
    @Anonymous Nephew

    In a 1915-built 3,000-sf million-dollar row house in Bella Vista in Philly, if I'm not mistaken.

    http://www.phillymag.com/property/2016/08/09/bella-vista-ranked-best-place-to-live-in-philadelphia/

    According to City Data's race maps, the neighborhood is one of the whitest in Philly, with 0-5% blacks depending on the block cluster. Still, I wouldn't expect there to be much time to worry about blacks in da hood, or more accurately east of Passyunk Ave., when one is commuting to work at Rutgers....

    http://news.rutgers.edu/issue.2009-03-24.5360056310/article.2009-03-24.8431101214

    I'm just snarking; surely there's another domicile, closer to 58% white/21% Asian Middlesex Co.

    More below if I have the stomach for it.

  13. Glenn Loury had an excellent discussion with a professor, Robert Cherry, of Brooklyn College.
    http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/45481

    Cherry basically says that where you have more Black people, you will have more violence.

  14. If guns were the cause of homicide, then police stations and military bases would be the most murderous locations in the nation by far.

    But it isn’t guns — it’s culture, specifically black culture. Vermont, West Virginia, and Maine, the whitest states in the Union, have practically no gun laws whatsoever. In Vermont and West Virginia anyone who is not a convicted felon may carry a handgun concealed without a permit.

    Yet homicide rates in those states are far less than New York, Illinois, Maryland, and California, all of which have extreme (and unconstitutional) gun control. They also have high concentrations of blacks, who simply don’t care about the gun control laws whatsoever and violate them routinely. Gun control laws have the effect of disarming whites with jobs and mortgages, and zero effect on blacks. In northern cities that are highly segregated it is no exaggeration to say that 95% of the homicides are in black neighborhoods.

  15. OT

    Review by Jonathan Freedland of David Goodhart’s new book The Road To Somewhere. Plenty of lying effrontery. General conclusion – “oh well, perhaps he was right in 2004 and we overdid it on immigration, but we are where we are, and it’s just up to those surly natives to welcome their new fellow Britons”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/22/the-road-to-somewhere-david-goodhart-populist-revolt-future-politics

    “Perhaps my own experience as a member of Britain’s Jewish community has skewed my perspective, but I’d suggest that the very qualities Goodhart most admires among the Somewheres – including neighbourliness, trust and a sense of shared destiny – are to be found in Britain’s minorities.”

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Anonymous Nephew

    In another article Freedland says that people "have a historic right to self-determination in the land of their birth": http://www.newstatesman.com/2012/07/yearning-same-land

    He's talking about Israel. I don't know why he does not believe British people have the same rights. Zero Syrian refugees in Israel, which is right next door. And yet 300,000 refugees in Sweden.

  16. But, hold the Batphone! If the police do notice this fact (through, say Big Data), that’s racist, too, and lowers the morale of the murde-, local denizens of “already over-policed communities” (yes, “over-policed’):

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/spotlight/2016/12/02/predictive-policing-violates-more-than-protects-column/94569912/

  17. @Lot
    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP's single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion and gun regulations, but those are both in the top 5.

    Instead of those issues, Trump is getting himself trapped in the health care bill quagmire, going to bat for Paul Ryan's horrible bill that will cause about 30 million Americans to lose health insurance and give big tax cuts to the wealthy on their already lightly taxed investment income.

    Mickey Kaus predicted back in early January that Ryan would stop Trump from passing immigration reform by suckering him into health care issues. I thought he was being paranoid, but here we are in the third week of health care dominating the news cycle and Trump's approval now down into the 30's.

    Replies: @Steve Richter, @NOTA, @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @IHTG

    going to bat for Paul Ryan’s horrible bill

    Trump has no ideas on how to structure the health care system? Do any of his department secretaries? What about Ivanka? Has she given the matter any thought? I read the WSJ editorials every day. They have nothing also.

    The answer is to have two systems. One government funded. A VA style system of health clinics and hospitals. You get treated, but you might have to wait a while. Have people pay what they can afford to pay. The other system is private. Used by those who can afford health insurance payments.

  18. Occam’s Butterknife? I think we’re in Occam’s Spork territory with this one.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Lurker

    This is a good thing.

    It's the like the third seal opening, or something.

    Once we get to 'Occam's Spoon' we'll have won the war.

  19. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    As soon as one sees weasel-words such as ‘gun violence’ they can stop reading. If the writers and supposed experts are dishonest right off the bat then there’s no hope that anything useful will follow besides the usual bromides. The cost falls upon the white neighborhoods that pay the taxes to provide the care for black ‘gun violence’. Medical care, rehabilitation, ambulances and paramedics, high staffing for police departments, courts, judges, public defenders, jails, prisons, social workers, endless school programs in schools that you pay for but can’t use, and on and on. When one starts adding it all up the money sinkhole looms very large. That’s an inequality that should be addressed; they play and we pay.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a "sinkhole.?"

    Replies: @anonymous, @Anonymous

  20. The ghastly Guardian newspaper needs to be put out of its misery … toxic, mendacious, leftist ordure …

  21. Surely rape equality must be next? Thousands of pasty male college students should be dispatched to a Detroit and Baltimore in order to … well, you get the idea. At least it will keep the Havens from molestings Jackies.

  22. @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    Review by Jonathan Freedland of David Goodhart's new book The Road To Somewhere. Plenty of lying effrontery. General conclusion - "oh well, perhaps he was right in 2004 and we overdid it on immigration, but we are where we are, and it's just up to those surly natives to welcome their new fellow Britons".

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/mar/22/the-road-to-somewhere-david-goodhart-populist-revolt-future-politics


    "Perhaps my own experience as a member of Britain’s Jewish community has skewed my perspective, but I’d suggest that the very qualities Goodhart most admires among the Somewheres – including neighbourliness, trust and a sense of shared destiny – are to be found in Britain’s minorities."
     

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    In another article Freedland says that people “have a historic right to self-determination in the land of their birth”: http://www.newstatesman.com/2012/07/yearning-same-land

    He’s talking about Israel. I don’t know why he does not believe British people have the same rights. Zero Syrian refugees in Israel, which is right next door. And yet 300,000 refugees in Sweden.

  23. Sigh ….. Yes, the second map is how I remember St. Louis when I lived there in the 70s & 80s. The few times during the day when I ventured north I thought I was having a nightmare or back in Detroit. The few visible signs of life on the mostly deserted streets were …. well … very threatening.

    Well, thanks LBJ and the lefties. You guys destroyed the patriarchy, the social technology that taught black boys how to behave and turned on the murder machine and gave us “racism”, the gift that keeps on giving — excuses, government handouts and the extortion vocabulary for likes of Black Lives Matter, the Congressional Black Caucus, three quarters of academia, and the Diversity industry.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2016/10/from-moral-blackmail-to-political.html

  24. The longer I live, the more inclined I am to feel that Booth killing Lincoln was the event that has had the most impact on our current status. Liberia seems like a world away.

  25. @Kyle McKenna
    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality. They're always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of 'black-on-black crime'--because, of course, they're secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn't really exist.

    If it weren't for a continuous, 24/7 supply of MSM propaganda, some of these contortions might become too ridiculous to maintain. Meanwhile, they can now put their vaunted 'virtue' to the test. Why wait, SGWs? Do it now!

    Replies: @Clyde, @CK, @Buffalo Joe, @David In TN

    I think you meant white-on-black crime which does not exist; black-on-white crime does.

    • Replies: @FPD72
    @CK

    I think your sarcasm detector isn't working. Also, since black on white crime is hardly ever reported as such in the media, I guess that a case could be made that it doesn't exist!

  26. This same Guardian had this article a few months ago. While I don’t know for sure if Natural Bridge Avenue through the city of St. Louis is the most dangerous drag in the country, it is a very plausible contention.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2017/jan/10/st-louis-gun-crime-missouri-natural-bridge-avenue

  27. Even the most woke among us recognizes that for some reason violence occurs at incredibly high rates in majority black lower income neighborhoods. That leads to theories that redlining and similar policies that created majority-black urban areas are to blame, all without explaining why it is that lower income blacks have a unique inability to live together not seen among other racial or ethnic groups.

    TNC’s work – if you can call it that – often blames redlining for a variety of black social ills while at the same time claiming that blacks are not in fact more criminal than anyone else and the total destruction of the black family has nothing to do with children’s outcomes, unless it can be found one parent is in jail for some offense or another, in which case it would be better that he (or less often she) would be more beneficial to society if they were free to mentor their offspring.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Arclight

    Arclight, TNC writings should be considered works of fiction.

  28. @Anonymous
    'Murder Inequality'.

    What a wonderful concept! - surely this has to be the ultimate in the state ensuring 'equality of opportunities' for all.
    One awaits with keen interest the imposition of hired stealth assassins, serial killers, random maniacs etc in the white bread suburbs.
    Will make life more interesting, or 'vibrant', as the argot goes, if nothing else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob

    Note well here that there is absolutely no suggestion that the murder rate in the ‘hood should drop to non-‘hood levels. They want the non-‘hood rate to rise as a form of punishment.

  29. I have a good idea to solve the problem of gun violence inequality.

    All we have to do is every week gather a few hundred or thousand white liberals, gather them in a closed area, and randomly machine gun into their ranks. Some of them will die (ideally, many, because equality!), some will merely get wounded (in the name of equality they should be treated in a ghetto hospital as if they were illegal immigrants or something), some will escape unscathed. To have true equality, the machine gunners will have to be blacks (since gun violence happens through blacks in the segregated parts of the city), I’d bet we’d have a lot of enthusiastic volunteers from their ranks (especially if they will get money and media attention instead of lengthy prison sentences for that).

    A year later, we might have a conversation with white liberals about equality.

    • Replies: @NOTA
    @reiner Tor

    We can call the program "No Witness Left Behind." It will be every bit as much a success as NCLB.

    , @ThreeCranes
    @reiner Tor

    While your idea of blacks randomly machine gunning liberals may serve justice in the cosmic sense, I think you miss the point of being a liberal.

    Espousing liberalism is not merely "virtue signaling", although that is part of it. It is also an act of appeasement, a sort of mewling groveling before Black Power by which liberals hope to deflect Black Rage away from their blameless liberal selves and direct it instead towards the real culprits, those Bad Whites over there who won't submit and admit their white guilt.

    Come the Revolution, Liberalism is a plea of "Please spare me", I'm on your side".

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  30. The Bon mot about Hillary voters is very very British. That is high praise considering that the Brits are the unrivalled masters in their art of p!ss-taking.

    Slightly off-topic but I wonder if the cultural concept of “taking the mickey” is a Commonwealth, ex-Canada, speciality?

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @Zachary Latif


    Slightly off-topic but I wonder if the cultural concept of “taking the mickey” is a Commonwealth, ex-Canada, speciality?
     
    I think so - UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ. Not sure about SA. Canada seems to exhibit a more North American earnestness.

    Replies: @Anonym

  31. For a while now, I’ve used murder as a way to illustrate the base perniciousness of the doctrine of disparate impact. As I understand it, if a facially neutral law is found to have disparate impact on a protected class, the law may be found unconstitutional. Our facially neutral laws against shooting fools seems to have a disparate impact upon the protected class of African-Americans. QED. Laws against murder are constitutionally suspect . . . and should be abolished.

    • Agree: dc.sunsets
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Hunsdon

    I totally agree with you. Let's abolish penalties for murder. But not so hastily.

    For starters, we should only partially abolish it: let's abolish it for murder of liberal victims who support the idea of disparate impact. In the case of judges who decided in favor of disparate impact, I propose actually subsidizing their murders.

    , @2Mintzin1
    @Hunsdon

    Disparate impact was recognized (I won't say "created", because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.


    Typically, kind of like this: 1. Plaintiffs demonstrate that in order to get the job, all employees must take some sort of test or possess some sort of credential (e.g. literacy, IQ or other Smarts test etc.; college degree). Plaintiffs offer proof that blacks don't do well on the test or other qualification. Plaintiffs prove that on a statistical basis, Blacks are less likely to be hired.

    Plaintiffs do not need to show that the employer had any animus against them because of their race or, that any actual discrimination occurred, in the traditional sense.

    3. Defendants must now demonstrate that the test, or other requirement, is legitimately needed for that particular job. If they don't, to the satisfaction of the trier of fact (could be a bunch of progressive jurors or in a bench trial, a liberal judge), defendants lose. For example, a female plaintiff who wants to be a firefighter could argue that instead of meeting the requirement that she be able to carry a human being of standard weight to safety, she be allowed to drag the person instead, maybe down a flight of stairs (bump... bump... bump).

    I feel the same way about this theory of discrimination as I do about drinking green beer on St. Patrick's Day... It bothers me. It seems to me that disparate impact was created in order to put the burden of proof on defendants, which is, or should be, recognized as violating the most basic principles of due process.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

  32. I thought the whole point of Section 8 scattered-site welfare-subsidized housing was to equilibrate both wealth and crime.

    Crime, of course, is caused by concentrations of guns and poverty. We know this because any white person who moves into an urban ghetto will be surrounded by guns and poverty, and thus will almost certainly become a victim of violent crime.

    (facepalm.)

    Until the direction of causality is reversed in the Hivemind, no rational discussion is possible.

    The environment (guns, poverty, barbarism) doesn’t cause individuals to produce violence and barbarism, barbaric, violent people produce poverty and barbarism.

    But then I preach (mostly) to the choir. Sadly, very few people can follow this logic all the way to its end, and those who do so almost universally recoil from where it does truly lead.

    The only way to have a commonwealth civilization some of us still recall is to eject those who won’t abide by its constraints, and do so without mercy. That once meant hardcore segregation of the most barbaric, but I think that ship sailed decades ago and the future will see a mass culling once the Gravy Train derails amidst Uncle Sam’s Mastercard being declined at the cash register.

  33. @CCZ
    Ms. Professor Krivo is another "nice white lady" PhD fixated on race (that "social construct" that supposedly has no biological basis) as the foundation of the universe.

    Her Rutgers faculty listing:

    Lauren Krivo is Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University and a faculty affiliate of the Criminal Justice Program. Her research seeks to understand the interconnections among societal racialized structures and inequality in social outcomes across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. Her book Divergent Social Worlds: Neighborhood Crime and the Racial-Spatial Divide (2010) shows that inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas. She has published widely on the role of segregation in city and neighborhood crime as well as contributing to broader academic dialogue on race, ethnicity, crime, and justice through her co-edited volumes: The Many Colors of Crime: Inequalities of Race, Ethnicity and Crime in America and “Race, Crime, and Justice: Contexts and Complexities” The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

    Her current research also examines the macro-structural underpinnings [of] violence as well as the sources and consequences of local spatial inequality with a particular focus on travel and mobility through residential and non-residential neighborhood spaces.

    Krivo is the co-founder of the Racial Democracy, Crime and Justice Network (RDCJN) with Ruth D. Peterson. The RDCJN is a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship at the intersection of race, crime, and justice, and promote the success of junior scholars of color through its Summer Research Institute.


     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous Nephew, @ic1000, @Ed, @Jake, @Karl

    While nice white lady sociologists like Dr. Krivo have much to offer in the way of Laputa-worthy theories, it’s too bad that so few humanities professors choose a path like that of Peter Moskos. Before becoming Asst. Professor at John Jay College, he was a beat cop. I doubt Moskos’ views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter, but he is alert to the realities of the issues he writes about. It would be a huge improvement if that was normal for academicians.

    • Replies: @CCZ
    @ic1000

    A very good critique of Dr. Krivo’s profession of sociology is found in “Sociology’s Stagnation” by Brian Boutwell.

    http://quillette.com/2017/03/05/sociologys-stagnation/

    He quotes sociologist Pierre van den Berghe, who (in 1990) wrote an article entitled “Why Most Sociologists Don’t (and Won’t) Think Evolutionarily.”

    Professor van den Berghe wrote:

    “Sociologists deal mostly with abstract categories like classes and ethnic groups; engage in statistical massage of aggregated data; do secondary analysis of public opinion surveys; speculate about the impact of religious beliefs and political ideologies; project, manipulate, and interpret statistical trends; and generally pontificate about the state of society.”

    Professor van den Berghe, directly referencing your point, continues:

    “Sociologists do not watch people being bumped over the head; they feed the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports to their computers.”

    He concluded:

    “This sorry state of theoretical affairs in sociology is probably the clearest evidence of the discipline’s intellectual bankruptcy. But let my colleagues rest assured: intellectual bankruptcy never spelled the doom of an academic discipline. Those within it are professionally deformed not to recognize it, and those outside of it could not care less. Sociology is safe for at least a few more decades." (and probably so is Professor Krivo).

    , @Ragno
    @ic1000


    I doubt Moskos’ views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter...
     
    Moskos was a Harvard grad who bailed out of law enforcement after a year to retreat to academics and book-writin'. His "views" would be exactly what you'd expect from someone with that c.v.:

    Most police, both white and black, believe that the social problems in the Eastern District are hopeless. One black officer said, “It’s hard not to think that this is a jungle here.… They ought to tear everything down. All of it!” A white officer echoed this belief: “I’d like to napalm the whole area. Wouldn’t that be beautiful? Just come in with air strikes and watch the whole thing go up in flames… I don’t know what else you can do. If people want to live this way, I say f*ck ’em.”

    A black officer proposed similar ends through different means. “If it were up to me,” he said, “I’d build walls and just flood the place, biblical-like. Flood the place and start afresh. I think that’s all you can do.” When I asked this officer how his belief that the entire area should be flooded differed from the attitudes of white police, he responded, “Naw, I’m not like that because I’d let the good people build an ark and float out. Old people, working people, line’em up, two by two. White cops will be standing on the walls with big poles pushing people back in.” (p. 39-40)
     
    I strongly doubt Moskos' views on crime and punishment are all that different from Krivo's. In fact, I couldn't stop myself from "amending" the passage quoted above:

    A black officer proposed similar ends through different means. “If it were up to me,” he said, “I’d build walls and just flood the place, biblical-like. Flood the place and start afresh. I think that’s all you can do.”

    When I asked this officer how his belief that the entire area should be flooded differed from the attitudes of white police, he responded, “Naw, I’m not like that because I’d let the good people build an ark and float out. Old people, working people, line’em up, two by two. White cops will be standing on the walls with big poles pushing people back in.”

    "Yeah", I murmured, shamefacedly hanging my head. "We suck - I know it. Shit, everybody knows it."

    Just then, he flashed a grin at me that made the sun suddenly come out in my heart. "Naw, my brother - you one of the good ones."

    "You - you mean that?"

    "Sure." He winked. "Say, lemme get ten dollar, bro; I go get us some beer."

    That was almost an hour ago, and still no sign of him. Probably spotted a crime in progress, I nodded to myself, a little worried as I started the car.
     
    , @amused
    @ic1000

    What "nice white lady sociologists"? These so-called academicians in the opium dens of the soft social "sciences" couldn't add two and two together nor pen a simple sentence in English that says anything. Having flunked maths and science and not having the aptitude for business courses, accounting, medicine, law, or anything remotely concrete and useful, they spend their time reading and writing drivel, teaching drivel, spouting political correctness, and inflicting their verbosity on dim-witted students who would not have lasted a semester in any meaningful academic discipline.

    Replies: @Saint Louis

    , @Steve Sailer
    @ic1000

    I'm cited in the footnotes of Dr. Moskos's late father Charles' book from a couple of decades ago.

  34. @Hunsdon
    For a while now, I've used murder as a way to illustrate the base perniciousness of the doctrine of disparate impact. As I understand it, if a facially neutral law is found to have disparate impact on a protected class, the law may be found unconstitutional. Our facially neutral laws against shooting fools seems to have a disparate impact upon the protected class of African-Americans. QED. Laws against murder are constitutionally suspect . . . and should be abolished.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @2Mintzin1

    I totally agree with you. Let’s abolish penalties for murder. But not so hastily.

    For starters, we should only partially abolish it: let’s abolish it for murder of liberal victims who support the idea of disparate impact. In the case of judges who decided in favor of disparate impact, I propose actually subsidizing their murders.

  35. Somehow, I think these newfangled maps and graphics with data embedded in them are going to backfire on our overlords.

  36. @Lot
    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP's single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion and gun regulations, but those are both in the top 5.

    Instead of those issues, Trump is getting himself trapped in the health care bill quagmire, going to bat for Paul Ryan's horrible bill that will cause about 30 million Americans to lose health insurance and give big tax cuts to the wealthy on their already lightly taxed investment income.

    Mickey Kaus predicted back in early January that Ryan would stop Trump from passing immigration reform by suckering him into health care issues. I thought he was being paranoid, but here we are in the third week of health care dominating the news cycle and Trump's approval now down into the 30's.

    Replies: @Steve Richter, @NOTA, @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @IHTG

    I wonder if Trump supporting this stupid Son-of-Obamacare bill is Ryan’s price for going along with Trump’s domestic agenda in other places. Alternatively, maybe Trump and company are hoping it goes down in flames so they can propose something more popular. Or can just leave it in place with some cosmetic tweaks and say “hey, we tried to repeal it but the opposition in congress was just too great.”

    Ryan is in the green eyeshade wing of the party and presumably cares about long term budget sustainability and a potential death spiral, but I don’t think Trump does.

    Our inability to get control of medical costs is in the process of eating the whole budget, but that’s in the future. Besides that, it’s hard to believe Ryan and company have any useful ideas to stop medical inflation that they would be willing to pursue over the objections of their donors. We can’t even have Medicare negotiate drug prices down (which wouldn’t stop medical inflation but would at least cut our costs a bit) because the pharmaceutical companies have too much influence. Hell, the whole abortion that is Obamacare exists because Obama’s health care reform had to guarantee the interests of the health insurance industry.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @NOTA


    Ryan is in the green eyeshade wing of the party and presumably cares about long term budget sustainability and a potential death spiral, but I don’t think Trump does.
     
    Ryan isn't much of an accountant; he doesn't care about the long term demographic death-spiral of the Republican Party.
  37. @reiner Tor
    I have a good idea to solve the problem of gun violence inequality.

    All we have to do is every week gather a few hundred or thousand white liberals, gather them in a closed area, and randomly machine gun into their ranks. Some of them will die (ideally, many, because equality!), some will merely get wounded (in the name of equality they should be treated in a ghetto hospital as if they were illegal immigrants or something), some will escape unscathed. To have true equality, the machine gunners will have to be blacks (since gun violence happens through blacks in the segregated parts of the city), I'd bet we'd have a lot of enthusiastic volunteers from their ranks (especially if they will get money and media attention instead of lengthy prison sentences for that).

    A year later, we might have a conversation with white liberals about equality.

    Replies: @NOTA, @ThreeCranes

    We can call the program “No Witness Left Behind.” It will be every bit as much a success as NCLB.

  38. Anyway, we don’t call it “murder” anymore because “murder” is associated in the uneducated popular mind with “murderers,” which implies agency. Instead, we now call it “gun violence.” And gun violence “falls,” like the dew, if the dew mostly fell on black segregated neighborhoods.

    Actually gun violence “erupts”,……. in stories that “unfold”………… to observers “on the ground” ……………. at “the end of the day”, if one uses the style-book of the Society of Professional Journalists.

  39. @NOTA
    @Lot

    I wonder if Trump supporting this stupid Son-of-Obamacare bill is Ryan's price for going along with Trump's domestic agenda in other places. Alternatively, maybe Trump and company are hoping it goes down in flames so they can propose something more popular. Or can just leave it in place with some cosmetic tweaks and say "hey, we tried to repeal it but the opposition in congress was just too great."

    Ryan is in the green eyeshade wing of the party and presumably cares about long term budget sustainability and a potential death spiral, but I don't think Trump does.

    Our inability to get control of medical costs is in the process of eating the whole budget, but that's in the future. Besides that, it's hard to believe Ryan and company have any useful ideas to stop medical inflation that they would be willing to pursue over the objections of their donors. We can't even have Medicare negotiate drug prices down (which wouldn't stop medical inflation but would at least cut our costs a bit) because the pharmaceutical companies have too much influence. Hell, the whole abortion that is Obamacare exists because Obama's health care reform had to guarantee the interests of the health insurance industry.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Ryan is in the green eyeshade wing of the party and presumably cares about long term budget sustainability and a potential death spiral, but I don’t think Trump does.

    Ryan isn’t much of an accountant; he doesn’t care about the long term demographic death-spiral of the Republican Party.

  40. It’s a tax paid more by those who can least afford to be murdered.

  41. I guess one of the questions is whether the difference in homicide rates is stable, looking back. If it is, then could a contributing factor to the racism and segregation of the pervious time be an attempt to quarantine violence?

    Put differently: If Hayek is basically correct to note that traditions are social solutions to problems made widely available to people so that they don’t have to solve the problem by themselves, then does racism and segregation fall into that category? In short, what problem was racism in the American context designed to solve? And did it ultimately fail because it was a bad / ineffective solution or simply because it was seen to be unjust?

  42. @Lot
    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP's single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion and gun regulations, but those are both in the top 5.

    Instead of those issues, Trump is getting himself trapped in the health care bill quagmire, going to bat for Paul Ryan's horrible bill that will cause about 30 million Americans to lose health insurance and give big tax cuts to the wealthy on their already lightly taxed investment income.

    Mickey Kaus predicted back in early January that Ryan would stop Trump from passing immigration reform by suckering him into health care issues. I thought he was being paranoid, but here we are in the third week of health care dominating the news cycle and Trump's approval now down into the 30's.

    Replies: @Steve Richter, @NOTA, @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @IHTG

    I agree. Health Care should have been handled slowly, piecemeal, and later. It was not one of Trump’s big issues. The focus in the first year should be immigration, crime, economic growth, and infrastructure. Mickey Kaus was (as he often is) right – Ryan is using this to torpedo Trump’s agenda.

  43. It may look like murder in St. Louis correlates with where blacks live, but you’re wrong! It correlates with racial segregation.

    If blacks are segregated, are not whites segregated too? Why don’t whites respond to segregation by murdering one another at a higher rate?

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Mr. Anon

    If blacks are segregated, are not whites segregated too? Why don’t whites respond to segregation by murdering one another at a higher rate?

    This is why the Congo is such a peaceful place to live, because it doesn't have the legacy of segregation.

  44. @Kyle McKenna
    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality. They're always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of 'black-on-black crime'--because, of course, they're secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn't really exist.

    If it weren't for a continuous, 24/7 supply of MSM propaganda, some of these contortions might become too ridiculous to maintain. Meanwhile, they can now put their vaunted 'virtue' to the test. Why wait, SGWs? Do it now!

    Replies: @Clyde, @CK, @Buffalo Joe, @David In TN

    Kyle….Bingo! You want equality in violence, go hang around a violent neighborhood. Well, actually, neighborhoods aren’t violent, but you know where I mean. I pointed out a perfect opportunity for SJW to put their money where their mouths are. UCLA is scheduled to play basketball in Memphis , Tennessee. California has a “Travel Ban” against teams going to states with “Bathroom Laws.” Boycott the game, forbid the Bruins from travelling to Memphis. Keep you fan’s money out of Tennessee. Show us how passionate you are about what you preach.

  45. Had a girlfriend from St.Louis . She was actually at the Guns and Roses show in ’91 when Axl threw a bottle at someone in the audience and then jumped into the crowd . The guy had thrown something at him first she said. She’s Protestant background but went to a Catholic high school there . Now I know why .

  46. @PiltdownMan
    All neighborhoods must bear their fair share of murders.

    No, wait!


    Gun violence is a regressive tax...
     
    We all know that progressive taxes are so much more decent and right. Wealthier neighborhoods should shoulder a higher murder rate, because they have so much more wealth, and also better employment and better schools, which will help them cope better with the aftermath of loved ones being offed.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    Piltdown, I have lived in my Buffalo suburb for 30 plus years. There have been 8 murders,that I can recall, within a two mile radius of my house. Every killing was family or relationship related. I feel safe here even though my town doesn’t have a police department. I would like for me and my family to be spared, so do you think lawn signs would be the way to go?

  47. Pat Casey says:

    OT—let no one say the Irish were undocumented:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/revealed-ireland-s-19th-century-us-emigrants-in-their-own-words-1.2987829

    Revealed: Ireland’s 19th-century US emigrants in their own words
    US civil war pension files give voice to Irish emigrant family life and may well be the greatest social treasure trove on 19th-century Irish people anywhere, including Ireland
    Fri, Feb 24, 2017
    ….

    Governments are rarely keen to dispense benefits without proof of entitlement, and therein lies the historical wealth to be found among the thousands of Irish files. Affidavits were not only provided by claimants such as Jane Murphy and Eunice Coyle, but often also by family members, friends, acquaintances, employers, landlords, shopkeepers, physicians or servicemen. Files can contain myriad other documents such as marriage certificates, baptismal records, employment details and service records. Invariably they offer an opportunity to chart an emigrant family’s life across multiple decades, for the duration of their pension claim. By far the most poignant documents to be found come in the form of original correspondence. Thousands of letters written by Irish emigrant soldiers and sailors were submitted by applicants to prove their relationship; the vast majority have never been transcribed or published before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish-American_Medal_of_Honor_recipients

    Of the 3,464 Medals of Honor awarded as of September 17, 2009,[1] an estimated 2,018 have been awarded to Irish-American recipients, more than twice the number awarded any other ethnic group.

  48. @anonymous
    As soon as one sees weasel-words such as 'gun violence' they can stop reading. If the writers and supposed experts are dishonest right off the bat then there's no hope that anything useful will follow besides the usual bromides. The cost falls upon the white neighborhoods that pay the taxes to provide the care for black 'gun violence'. Medical care, rehabilitation, ambulances and paramedics, high staffing for police departments, courts, judges, public defenders, jails, prisons, social workers, endless school programs in schools that you pay for but can't use, and on and on. When one starts adding it all up the money sinkhole looms very large. That's an inequality that should be addressed; they play and we pay.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a “sinkhole.?”

    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    And that's just one item on the list. Police and judges are expensive employees, jails and prisons are expensive institutions and so on down the list. In Chicago only about 9.9% of public school students are classified as white yet the white neighborhoods pay the bulk of the real estate taxes supporting those schools, many of which are regarded as holding pens for the next generation of convicts and welfare mothers. Of course there's other things like the hidden tax of people being afraid of victimization and thus changing their routines, putting up cameras, etc.

    , @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a “sinkhole.?”"

    Can this be true? If so, it's truly shocking.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe

  49. @Kyle McKenna
    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality. They're always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of 'black-on-black crime'--because, of course, they're secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn't really exist.

    If it weren't for a continuous, 24/7 supply of MSM propaganda, some of these contortions might become too ridiculous to maintain. Meanwhile, they can now put their vaunted 'virtue' to the test. Why wait, SGWs? Do it now!

    Replies: @Clyde, @CK, @Buffalo Joe, @David In TN

    “They’re always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of ‘black-on-black crime’–because of course they’re secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn’t really exist.”

    Once or twice a year the MSM runs a whimpering story about “young black males are the main victims of gun violence in America.”

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    @David In TN


    Once or twice a year the MSM runs a whimpering story about “young black males are the main victims of gun violence in America.”
     
    It's been stated often: From Chicago's Englewood neighborhood to Trayvon Martin, gun manufacturing (which is overwhelmingly a whites-dominant industry, there are no black-owned or black-run gun makers or ammunition plants) is a broad conspiracy against People of Color.

    White-made guns are a plague on every Non-Asian Minority town, city and neighborhood, and every white person engaged in the manufacture of guns and ammunition should be held accountable for every black or brown person stalked and killed by those guns.

    Jacketed Hollow Points (JHP's) might as well be renamed Whitey-Exterminates-Blacks. (WEB's.)

    Even in Africa, where Kalashnikov's (a white Russian, mind you) brainchild is the dominant tool for slaughter across the continent, we see clearly that white-made tools march across the graves of millions. How many innocent must die before white people are held accountable for saturating peaceful black Utopias with deadly weapons, the worst of which are described as, "Self-Loading."

    Surely, to protect themselves, black and brown people should be surrounded by huge magnets so that no guns can slip into their environment at night, so no guns can steal cars, drive around and shoot at our brothers and sisters.
  50. I lived in the St. Louis area for almost 30 years, and the one cardinal rule everybody learns early is DON’T GO NORTH OF DELMAR AVE.

    Follow that one simple rule, use a degree of common sense, and St. Louis is as safe as Copenhagen. Of the three suburbs I lived in, two had never had a murder, and the other had had one. In 1957.

  51. @Lot
    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP's single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion and gun regulations, but those are both in the top 5.

    Instead of those issues, Trump is getting himself trapped in the health care bill quagmire, going to bat for Paul Ryan's horrible bill that will cause about 30 million Americans to lose health insurance and give big tax cuts to the wealthy on their already lightly taxed investment income.

    Mickey Kaus predicted back in early January that Ryan would stop Trump from passing immigration reform by suckering him into health care issues. I thought he was being paranoid, but here we are in the third week of health care dominating the news cycle and Trump's approval now down into the 30's.

    Replies: @Steve Richter, @NOTA, @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @IHTG

    I don’t understand Ryan’s power. I find just his mug viscerally off-putting. It’s so strong that I can’t take him seriously as… anything. How can he be who he is? It’s a terrible world we live in.

  52. @Arclight
    Even the most woke among us recognizes that for some reason violence occurs at incredibly high rates in majority black lower income neighborhoods. That leads to theories that redlining and similar policies that created majority-black urban areas are to blame, all without explaining why it is that lower income blacks have a unique inability to live together not seen among other racial or ethnic groups.

    TNC's work - if you can call it that - often blames redlining for a variety of black social ills while at the same time claiming that blacks are not in fact more criminal than anyone else and the total destruction of the black family has nothing to do with children's outcomes, unless it can be found one parent is in jail for some offense or another, in which case it would be better that he (or less often she) would be more beneficial to society if they were free to mentor their offspring.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Arclight, TNC writings should be considered works of fiction.

  53. Racial map of London

    Crime map of London

    http://saferview.blogspot.com.cy/2010/09/robbery-map-of-london.html

    The same applies every city in Europe.

    This is from Sweden

    A study by the Swedish governmental organization responsible for official crime statistics examined crime during the 1997-2001 period. The study included all residents in Sweden between the ages of 15 and 51. The crimes included were those reported to the police and for which the police had registered a reasonable suspicion regarding the offender. The first number below are the over-representations for foreign born from different geographic areas. It includes both males and females. The second number is percentage of each group who became reasonably suspect of a crime during the studied five-year period.[66]

    Africa, not North or East: +430% (26,3%)
    North Africa: +370% (23,3%)
    West Asia: +280% (18.8%)
    East Africa: +250% (17,5%)
    South America: +230% (16,4%)
    Central Asia: +220% (16,1%)
    Southern Asia: +220% (15,8%)
    Europe, not EU, including Turkey: +160% (13,2%)
    European Union, new countries: +130% (11,4%)
    South East Asia: +110% (10,5%)
    Nordic Countries: +70% (8,7%)
    Not classified: +60% (7,8%)
    European Union, other countries: +40% (7,2%)
    United States, Canada, Australia och New Zealand: +10% (5,5%)
    East Asia: +0 (5,2%)

    The Guardian is a syphilitic rag.

    • Agree: TelfoedJohn
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @22pp22

    I think the rape statistics are usually the worst for Somalis, I'd guess the East Africans' average was better because of Ethiopians and maybe Eritreans.

    Also, Somalis are probably so rapey because 1) they are Africans and 2) they are misogynistic Muslims. So rape might be higher for them relative to others than other crime.

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @22pp22

    I live in one of the purple patches on those maps. A few years ago one of the ever-growing Somali community partially decapitated a fellow Somali inside a cafe nearby, while high on khat.

    This happened a few months ago: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenage-mob-beats-man-unconscious-with-chair-in-violent-attack-in-streatham-a3334946.html

  54. I posted this on another blog recently, but I think we need to introduce the concept of georacism.

    Georacism occurs when a person who could otherwise afford to live in a diverse neighborhood (i.e. local schools less than 50% white) chooses instead to live in a predominantly white neighborhood (i.e. local schools greater than 70% white). Georacism is inherently true, since property values and rents in diverse neighborhoods are always lower than in majority white neighborhoods.

    For example, everyone living in Bethesda, MD or Chevy Chase, MD is a georacist. All wealthy coastal liberals are also georacist.

    If someone complains about commute times, ask them whether an extra 20-30 minutes of their day is more important than diversity.

    Eliminating georacism would also eliminate or reduce murder inequality.

  55. Ed says:
    @CCZ
    Ms. Professor Krivo is another "nice white lady" PhD fixated on race (that "social construct" that supposedly has no biological basis) as the foundation of the universe.

    Her Rutgers faculty listing:

    Lauren Krivo is Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University and a faculty affiliate of the Criminal Justice Program. Her research seeks to understand the interconnections among societal racialized structures and inequality in social outcomes across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. Her book Divergent Social Worlds: Neighborhood Crime and the Racial-Spatial Divide (2010) shows that inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas. She has published widely on the role of segregation in city and neighborhood crime as well as contributing to broader academic dialogue on race, ethnicity, crime, and justice through her co-edited volumes: The Many Colors of Crime: Inequalities of Race, Ethnicity and Crime in America and “Race, Crime, and Justice: Contexts and Complexities” The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

    Her current research also examines the macro-structural underpinnings [of] violence as well as the sources and consequences of local spatial inequality with a particular focus on travel and mobility through residential and non-residential neighborhood spaces.

    Krivo is the co-founder of the Racial Democracy, Crime and Justice Network (RDCJN) with Ruth D. Peterson. The RDCJN is a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship at the intersection of race, crime, and justice, and promote the success of junior scholars of color through its Summer Research Institute.


     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous Nephew, @ic1000, @Ed, @Jake, @Karl

    One thing I’ve noticed recently is that academics or sociologists will go ahead & publish a study that is unfavorable to blacks. However they make sure to say in the conclusions or preamble that it’s not blacks fault or that they aren’t racist.

    The Economist cited a study which pretty much said blacks were lazy and was the cause of much of the racial gap. The authors go on to make clear that they hate Trump and all his works to avoid accusations that they’re racist.

    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21715998-establishing-cause-remains-hazardous-new-research-suggests-effort-work

    • Replies: @Lot
    @Ed

    I also noticed this. A whole bunch of hatefacts all together with neat maps, then some lefties giving the proper PC spin.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  56. @ic1000
    @CCZ

    While nice white lady sociologists like Dr. Krivo have much to offer in the way of Laputa-worthy theories, it's too bad that so few humanities professors choose a path like that of Peter Moskos. Before becoming Asst. Professor at John Jay College, he was a beat cop. I doubt Moskos' views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter, but he is alert to the realities of the issues he writes about. It would be a huge improvement if that was normal for academicians.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Ragno, @amused, @Steve Sailer

    A very good critique of Dr. Krivo’s profession of sociology is found in “Sociology’s Stagnation” by Brian Boutwell.

    http://quillette.com/2017/03/05/sociologys-stagnation/

    He quotes sociologist Pierre van den Berghe, who (in 1990) wrote an article entitled “Why Most Sociologists Don’t (and Won’t) Think Evolutionarily.”

    Professor van den Berghe wrote:

    “Sociologists deal mostly with abstract categories like classes and ethnic groups; engage in statistical massage of aggregated data; do secondary analysis of public opinion surveys; speculate about the impact of religious beliefs and political ideologies; project, manipulate, and interpret statistical trends; and generally pontificate about the state of society.”

    Professor van den Berghe, directly referencing your point, continues:

    “Sociologists do not watch people being bumped over the head; they feed the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports to their computers.”

    He concluded:

    “This sorry state of theoretical affairs in sociology is probably the clearest evidence of the discipline’s intellectual bankruptcy. But let my colleagues rest assured: intellectual bankruptcy never spelled the doom of an academic discipline. Those within it are professionally deformed not to recognize it, and those outside of it could not care less. Sociology is safe for at least a few more decades.” (and probably so is Professor Krivo).

  57. @Hunsdon
    For a while now, I've used murder as a way to illustrate the base perniciousness of the doctrine of disparate impact. As I understand it, if a facially neutral law is found to have disparate impact on a protected class, the law may be found unconstitutional. Our facially neutral laws against shooting fools seems to have a disparate impact upon the protected class of African-Americans. QED. Laws against murder are constitutionally suspect . . . and should be abolished.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @2Mintzin1

    Disparate impact was recognized (I won’t say “created”, because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.

    Typically, kind of like this: 1. Plaintiffs demonstrate that in order to get the job, all employees must take some sort of test or possess some sort of credential (e.g. literacy, IQ or other Smarts test etc.; college degree). Plaintiffs offer proof that blacks don’t do well on the test or other qualification. Plaintiffs prove that on a statistical basis, Blacks are less likely to be hired.

    Plaintiffs do not need to show that the employer had any animus against them because of their race or, that any actual discrimination occurred, in the traditional sense.

    3. Defendants must now demonstrate that the test, or other requirement, is legitimately needed for that particular job. If they don’t, to the satisfaction of the trier of fact (could be a bunch of progressive jurors or in a bench trial, a liberal judge), defendants lose. For example, a female plaintiff who wants to be a firefighter could argue that instead of meeting the requirement that she be able to carry a human being of standard weight to safety, she be allowed to drag the person instead, maybe down a flight of stairs (bump… bump… bump).

    I feel the same way about this theory of discrimination as I do about drinking green beer on St. Patrick’s Day… It bothers me. It seems to me that disparate impact was created in order to put the burden of proof on defendants, which is, or should be, recognized as violating the most basic principles of due process.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @2Mintzin1

    2Mintz, excellent comment.

    , @ben tillman
    @2Mintzin1


    Disparate impact was recognized (I won’t say “created”, because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.
     
    It certainly does that, but it does much more. It essentially decides all cases on a who/whom basis. Every court decision that requires a remedy for disparate impact necessarily produces a disparate impact on white applicants. Literally everything has a disparate impact, but the remedy for disparate impact is intended to create a disparate impact.

    In other words, the "disparate impact" of employment criteria (i.e., criteria that supposedly suggest unintentional or otherwise unprovable racial discrimination) is "remedied" with deliberate discrimination on the basis of race, yet somehow that's okay as long as the victims are white.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @2Mintzin1

    IIRC, disparate impact was part of an anti-discrimination law signed by Bush the Elder. The law said that if there was a disparate impact in, say, police hiring, then it was up to the police to prove themselves not guilty of discrimination.

  58. @22pp22
    Racial map of London

    http://now-here-this.timeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ethnic_density1.jpg

    Crime map of London

    http://saferview.blogspot.com.cy/2010/09/robbery-map-of-london.html

    The same applies every city in Europe.

    This is from Sweden

    A study by the Swedish governmental organization responsible for official crime statistics examined crime during the 1997-2001 period. The study included all residents in Sweden between the ages of 15 and 51. The crimes included were those reported to the police and for which the police had registered a reasonable suspicion regarding the offender. The first number below are the over-representations for foreign born from different geographic areas. It includes both males and females. The second number is percentage of each group who became reasonably suspect of a crime during the studied five-year period.[66]

    Africa, not North or East: +430% (26,3%)
    North Africa: +370% (23,3%)
    West Asia: +280% (18.8%)
    East Africa: +250% (17,5%)
    South America: +230% (16,4%)
    Central Asia: +220% (16,1%)
    Southern Asia: +220% (15,8%)
    Europe, not EU, including Turkey: +160% (13,2%)
    European Union, new countries: +130% (11,4%)
    South East Asia: +110% (10,5%)
    Nordic Countries: +70% (8,7%)
    Not classified: +60% (7,8%)
    European Union, other countries: +40% (7,2%)
    United States, Canada, Australia och New Zealand: +10% (5,5%)
    East Asia: +0 (5,2%)

    The Guardian is a syphilitic rag.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @TelfoedJohn

    I think the rape statistics are usually the worst for Somalis, I’d guess the East Africans’ average was better because of Ethiopians and maybe Eritreans.

    Also, Somalis are probably so rapey because 1) they are Africans and 2) they are misogynistic Muslims. So rape might be higher for them relative to others than other crime.

  59. jb says:

    The standard liberal response to sky-high black crime rates (to the extent that they are willing acknowledge the issue at all) is that it’s not about race, it’s about socioeconomic status. I.e, poor whites are just as violent as poor blacks, and the high overall crime rate for blacks is entirely explained by their high poverty rate.

    Even on the face of it this can’t be right. While blacks in America are certainly poorer on the whole than whites, it seems inconceivable that the difference could be large enough to explain a murder rate that is almost 8 times higher than that of whites. But while I have a good source for that “almost 8 times higher” statistic, I don’t have a source comparing crime rates for blacks and whites of comparable socioeconomic status. Does anyone know of such a source? Ideally it would be a simple table published by an unimpeachable organization — like the Department of Justice document I linked to for murder rates — so that I could show it to friends without revealing a little too much about my own views on race. (I.e., not The Color of Crime).

  60. @ic1000
    @CCZ

    While nice white lady sociologists like Dr. Krivo have much to offer in the way of Laputa-worthy theories, it's too bad that so few humanities professors choose a path like that of Peter Moskos. Before becoming Asst. Professor at John Jay College, he was a beat cop. I doubt Moskos' views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter, but he is alert to the realities of the issues he writes about. It would be a huge improvement if that was normal for academicians.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Ragno, @amused, @Steve Sailer

    I doubt Moskos’ views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter…

    Moskos was a Harvard grad who bailed out of law enforcement after a year to retreat to academics and book-writin’. His “views” would be exactly what you’d expect from someone with that c.v.:

    Most police, both white and black, believe that the social problems in the Eastern District are hopeless. One black officer said, “It’s hard not to think that this is a jungle here.… They ought to tear everything down. All of it!” A white officer echoed this belief: “I’d like to napalm the whole area. Wouldn’t that be beautiful? Just come in with air strikes and watch the whole thing go up in flames… I don’t know what else you can do. If people want to live this way, I say f*ck ’em.”

    A black officer proposed similar ends through different means. “If it were up to me,” he said, “I’d build walls and just flood the place, biblical-like. Flood the place and start afresh. I think that’s all you can do.” When I asked this officer how his belief that the entire area should be flooded differed from the attitudes of white police, he responded, “Naw, I’m not like that because I’d let the good people build an ark and float out. Old people, working people, line’em up, two by two. White cops will be standing on the walls with big poles pushing people back in.” (p. 39-40)

    I strongly doubt Moskos’ views on crime and punishment are all that different from Krivo’s. In fact, I couldn’t stop myself from “amending” the passage quoted above:

    A black officer proposed similar ends through different means. “If it were up to me,” he said, “I’d build walls and just flood the place, biblical-like. Flood the place and start afresh. I think that’s all you can do.”

    When I asked this officer how his belief that the entire area should be flooded differed from the attitudes of white police, he responded, “Naw, I’m not like that because I’d let the good people build an ark and float out. Old people, working people, line’em up, two by two. White cops will be standing on the walls with big poles pushing people back in.”

    “Yeah”, I murmured, shamefacedly hanging my head. “We suck – I know it. Shit, everybody knows it.”

    Just then, he flashed a grin at me that made the sun suddenly come out in my heart. “Naw, my brother – you one of the good ones.”

    “You – you mean that?”

    “Sure.” He winked. “Say, lemme get ten dollar, bro; I go get us some beer.”

    That was almost an hour ago, and still no sign of him. Probably spotted a crime in progress, I nodded to myself, a little worried as I started the car.

  61. I am sorry I don’t know how to link, but the story I want to share is quite long, so I will summarize. The Chicago Tribune , last week, published a story about a 15 year old black boy trying to survive on the streets of Chicago. He doesn’t know who his father is, hasn’t seen his mother since he was an infant and lives with his great-aunt. He relates how he runs home, down alleys and over fences to avoid being shot before he reaches the sanctuary that is home. His aunt says he is a good boy, but she doesn’t have extra money to give him the things he wants, but she tries to cook him a hot meal on Sundays. He hustles for money by buying candy bars at Save-a-Lot and selling them in the suburbs, going door to door, saying he is raising money for a youth basketball team. On a good Saturday he pockets $100. He spent the money to buy a pistol. He wants to play football in college, but he doesn’t play in High School. The college he talks about playing for, DePaul, doesn’t have a football program. He spent last summer on “House Arrest” for stealing cars. His uncle is a former NFL running back. This boy is the product of a lifestyle that is common and acceptable in certain communities. Guns are useful tools. SJWs are useless tools. Kids like this are the victims of black women before they become the victims of a shooting. Last week we talked about putting babies on a lazy-Susan and take your pick. This boy’s mother and so many more like her, put their kids on one of those moving targets shooting ranges that you see at a carnival. After a while you get beyond carrying and I am almost there.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    @Buffalo Joe


    After a while you get beyond carrying and I am almost there.
     
    Almost?

    I had a cousin who went to school in Harvey when it was changing from low-rent white to lower-rent black. Among other rites of passage, he had a black kid grab him by the hair and rip out a piece of his scalp.

    That was over 40 years ago. Obviously, nothing has changed.

    NA_PALT (not all _____ people are like that) is the utter ruin of our civilization. If we can't justify treating all people who share certain appearances alike (and obviously we're not enraged enough yet to do so), the next best thing would be to exile all who demonstrate even relatively low levels of inability to conform to civilized norms.

    This might include turning Puerto Rico into a place of exile. You steal a car at 15, you get deported for life. You get dropped off and you're forgotten, it's a one-way ticket. Beat on people a few times in Middle School, same thing. Your parents go with you.

    Bad apples fall from bad trees. Until the gloves come off and those bad trees and apples are exiled from our civilization, our civilization will fester and rot right down around us.

    We won't get there until this long period of fantasy, this belief in unlimited resources, ends. But end it will, as will patience with those who insist on barbarous norms.
    , @reiner Tor, @peterike
    @Buffalo Joe


    He hustles for money by buying candy bars at Save-a-Lot and selling them in the suburbs, going door to door, saying he is raising money for a youth basketball team.

     

    I've had these black hustlers show up. Sometimes they sell magazine subscriptions, which is even worse, because you will never actually get the magazine. At least you'll get the over priced candy bar. From what I've seen, it's usually two of them. One does the chatter, the other stands by looking surly.

    It's a fairly obvious shake down with a veiled threat. But what are you gonna do? There are a lot of old people around here. How many white people are going to give them five or ten bucks just to avoid a potential beating, or having something on their property smashed?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  62. @Anonymous Nephew
    @CCZ

    "inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas"

    I guess a hugely increased risk of being robbed or shot is a pretty extraordinary differential.


    (I wonder what kind of area Ms Krivo lives in?)

    Replies: @amused, @Olorin

    Nephew
    “I wonder what kind of area Ms Krivo lives in?”
    The lady lives in cuckooland. To reach there, you turn left on Democrats Blvd, drive past Lalaland, than turn right after you see the insane asylum on the south side.

  63. @CCZ
    Ms. Professor Krivo is another "nice white lady" PhD fixated on race (that "social construct" that supposedly has no biological basis) as the foundation of the universe.

    Her Rutgers faculty listing:

    Lauren Krivo is Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University and a faculty affiliate of the Criminal Justice Program. Her research seeks to understand the interconnections among societal racialized structures and inequality in social outcomes across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. Her book Divergent Social Worlds: Neighborhood Crime and the Racial-Spatial Divide (2010) shows that inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas. She has published widely on the role of segregation in city and neighborhood crime as well as contributing to broader academic dialogue on race, ethnicity, crime, and justice through her co-edited volumes: The Many Colors of Crime: Inequalities of Race, Ethnicity and Crime in America and “Race, Crime, and Justice: Contexts and Complexities” The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

    Her current research also examines the macro-structural underpinnings [of] violence as well as the sources and consequences of local spatial inequality with a particular focus on travel and mobility through residential and non-residential neighborhood spaces.

    Krivo is the co-founder of the Racial Democracy, Crime and Justice Network (RDCJN) with Ruth D. Peterson. The RDCJN is a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship at the intersection of race, crime, and justice, and promote the success of junior scholars of color through its Summer Research Institute.


     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous Nephew, @ic1000, @Ed, @Jake, @Karl

    Black people believe all this shite and then act it out precisely because a number of rich whites always have believed such absurdities and demanded that we all bow to them. Yes, blacks are naturally prone to be more violent because they are more impulsive with a much shorter sense of time relating to causes and results, like teenagers. But if not for the vicious tribe of white liberals, blacks would be much better behaved.

  64. @David In TN
    @Kyle McKenna

    "They're always displaying their virtual hand-wringing at the horror of 'black-on-black crime'--because of course they're secretly excited by black-on-white crime, which, of course, doesn't really exist."

    Once or twice a year the MSM runs a whimpering story about "young black males are the main victims of gun violence in America."

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    Once or twice a year the MSM runs a whimpering story about “young black males are the main victims of gun violence in America.”

    It’s been stated often: From Chicago’s Englewood neighborhood to Trayvon Martin, gun manufacturing (which is overwhelmingly a whites-dominant industry, there are no black-owned or black-run gun makers or ammunition plants) is a broad conspiracy against People of Color.

    White-made guns are a plague on every Non-Asian Minority town, city and neighborhood, and every white person engaged in the manufacture of guns and ammunition should be held accountable for every black or brown person stalked and killed by those guns.

    Jacketed Hollow Points (JHP’s) might as well be renamed Whitey-Exterminates-Blacks. (WEB’s.)

    Even in Africa, where Kalashnikov’s (a white Russian, mind you) brainchild is the dominant tool for slaughter across the continent, we see clearly that white-made tools march across the graves of millions. How many innocent must die before white people are held accountable for saturating peaceful black Utopias with deadly weapons, the worst of which are described as, “Self-Loading.”

    Surely, to protect themselves, black and brown people should be surrounded by huge magnets so that no guns can slip into their environment at night, so no guns can steal cars, drive around and shoot at our brothers and sisters.

  65. For the newbies, let’s trot out the archived Dept of Justice statistics for the relative proportion of blacks committing homicides to the general U.S. population. A tip of the hat to Steve for this link.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20121019014646/http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
    and the November, 2011 USDOJ pdf on Homicide Trends in the US
    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

    SWEEEET! Blacks commit murder at a per capita rate that is well over seven times the rate of non-blacks. Per Professor Roger Lane of Haverford College blacks in the US have committed murder at per capita rates that are roughly an order of magnitude greater than those of whites as seen in statistics going back to as early as the 1830’s. This is well before heroin, crack, and handguns came into the black community. I don’t think we can blame racial segregation, poverty, white micro-aggressions, etc, either for this disparity in murder rates. Perhaps lower intelligence, higher impulsivity, and a shorter expected time horizon for getting caught, all primarily genetic in origin.

  66. @Buffalo Joe
    I am sorry I don't know how to link, but the story I want to share is quite long, so I will summarize. The Chicago Tribune , last week, published a story about a 15 year old black boy trying to survive on the streets of Chicago. He doesn't know who his father is, hasn't seen his mother since he was an infant and lives with his great-aunt. He relates how he runs home, down alleys and over fences to avoid being shot before he reaches the sanctuary that is home. His aunt says he is a good boy, but she doesn't have extra money to give him the things he wants, but she tries to cook him a hot meal on Sundays. He hustles for money by buying candy bars at Save-a-Lot and selling them in the suburbs, going door to door, saying he is raising money for a youth basketball team. On a good Saturday he pockets $100. He spent the money to buy a pistol. He wants to play football in college, but he doesn't play in High School. The college he talks about playing for, DePaul, doesn't have a football program. He spent last summer on "House Arrest" for stealing cars. His uncle is a former NFL running back. This boy is the product of a lifestyle that is common and acceptable in certain communities. Guns are useful tools. SJWs are useless tools. Kids like this are the victims of black women before they become the victims of a shooting. Last week we talked about putting babies on a lazy-Susan and take your pick. This boy's mother and so many more like her, put their kids on one of those moving targets shooting ranges that you see at a carnival. After a while you get beyond carrying and I am almost there.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets, @reiner Tor, @peterike

    After a while you get beyond carrying and I am almost there.

    Almost?

    I had a cousin who went to school in Harvey when it was changing from low-rent white to lower-rent black. Among other rites of passage, he had a black kid grab him by the hair and rip out a piece of his scalp.

    That was over 40 years ago. Obviously, nothing has changed.

    NA_PALT (not all _____ people are like that) is the utter ruin of our civilization. If we can’t justify treating all people who share certain appearances alike (and obviously we’re not enraged enough yet to do so), the next best thing would be to exile all who demonstrate even relatively low levels of inability to conform to civilized norms.

    This might include turning Puerto Rico into a place of exile. You steal a car at 15, you get deported for life. You get dropped off and you’re forgotten, it’s a one-way ticket. Beat on people a few times in Middle School, same thing. Your parents go with you.

    Bad apples fall from bad trees. Until the gloves come off and those bad trees and apples are exiled from our civilization, our civilization will fester and rot right down around us.

    We won’t get there until this long period of fantasy, this belief in unlimited resources, ends. But end it will, as will patience with those who insist on barbarous norms.

  67. @Buffalo Joe
    I am sorry I don't know how to link, but the story I want to share is quite long, so I will summarize. The Chicago Tribune , last week, published a story about a 15 year old black boy trying to survive on the streets of Chicago. He doesn't know who his father is, hasn't seen his mother since he was an infant and lives with his great-aunt. He relates how he runs home, down alleys and over fences to avoid being shot before he reaches the sanctuary that is home. His aunt says he is a good boy, but she doesn't have extra money to give him the things he wants, but she tries to cook him a hot meal on Sundays. He hustles for money by buying candy bars at Save-a-Lot and selling them in the suburbs, going door to door, saying he is raising money for a youth basketball team. On a good Saturday he pockets $100. He spent the money to buy a pistol. He wants to play football in college, but he doesn't play in High School. The college he talks about playing for, DePaul, doesn't have a football program. He spent last summer on "House Arrest" for stealing cars. His uncle is a former NFL running back. This boy is the product of a lifestyle that is common and acceptable in certain communities. Guns are useful tools. SJWs are useless tools. Kids like this are the victims of black women before they become the victims of a shooting. Last week we talked about putting babies on a lazy-Susan and take your pick. This boy's mother and so many more like her, put their kids on one of those moving targets shooting ranges that you see at a carnival. After a while you get beyond carrying and I am almost there.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets, @reiner Tor, @peterike

  68. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a "sinkhole.?"

    Replies: @anonymous, @Anonymous

    And that’s just one item on the list. Police and judges are expensive employees, jails and prisons are expensive institutions and so on down the list. In Chicago only about 9.9% of public school students are classified as white yet the white neighborhoods pay the bulk of the real estate taxes supporting those schools, many of which are regarded as holding pens for the next generation of convicts and welfare mothers. Of course there’s other things like the hidden tax of people being afraid of victimization and thus changing their routines, putting up cameras, etc.

    • Agree: Clyde
  69. More white boys need to bear the fair share of violence.

    Lord knows they commit enough of it (Dylan Roof, james holmes, most mass murderers, the KKK)

    • Troll: fish
  70. Off topic but there has been a terrorist attack or attacks very near Westminster in London. Can’t link as I kept losing my internet connection, but evidently both a machete attack and a car running into pedestrians were involved.

  71. @Buffalo Joe
    I am sorry I don't know how to link, but the story I want to share is quite long, so I will summarize. The Chicago Tribune , last week, published a story about a 15 year old black boy trying to survive on the streets of Chicago. He doesn't know who his father is, hasn't seen his mother since he was an infant and lives with his great-aunt. He relates how he runs home, down alleys and over fences to avoid being shot before he reaches the sanctuary that is home. His aunt says he is a good boy, but she doesn't have extra money to give him the things he wants, but she tries to cook him a hot meal on Sundays. He hustles for money by buying candy bars at Save-a-Lot and selling them in the suburbs, going door to door, saying he is raising money for a youth basketball team. On a good Saturday he pockets $100. He spent the money to buy a pistol. He wants to play football in college, but he doesn't play in High School. The college he talks about playing for, DePaul, doesn't have a football program. He spent last summer on "House Arrest" for stealing cars. His uncle is a former NFL running back. This boy is the product of a lifestyle that is common and acceptable in certain communities. Guns are useful tools. SJWs are useless tools. Kids like this are the victims of black women before they become the victims of a shooting. Last week we talked about putting babies on a lazy-Susan and take your pick. This boy's mother and so many more like her, put their kids on one of those moving targets shooting ranges that you see at a carnival. After a while you get beyond carrying and I am almost there.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets, @reiner Tor, @peterike

    He hustles for money by buying candy bars at Save-a-Lot and selling them in the suburbs, going door to door, saying he is raising money for a youth basketball team.

    I’ve had these black hustlers show up. Sometimes they sell magazine subscriptions, which is even worse, because you will never actually get the magazine. At least you’ll get the over priced candy bar. From what I’ve seen, it’s usually two of them. One does the chatter, the other stands by looking surly.

    It’s a fairly obvious shake down with a veiled threat. But what are you gonna do? There are a lot of old people around here. How many white people are going to give them five or ten bucks just to avoid a potential beating, or having something on their property smashed?

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @peterike

    peterike, He sells the candy bars at $10 each, so he doesn't have to put that much effort into making $100. And, he sells with friends, so that matches your scenario.

  72. You can tell Ms. Krivo’s politics simply by looking at her. This is what self-destruction looks like.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @peterike

    I think Steve should amend his First Law of Journalism to include academics.

    , @GregMan
    @peterike

    More like, "this is what being a useless waste of oxygen looks like".

  73. @Zachary Latif
    The Bon mot about Hillary voters is very very British. That is high praise considering that the Brits are the unrivalled masters in their art of p!ss-taking.

    Slightly off-topic but I wonder if the cultural concept of "taking the mickey" is a Commonwealth, ex-Canada, speciality?

    Replies: @Lurker

    Slightly off-topic but I wonder if the cultural concept of “taking the mickey” is a Commonwealth, ex-Canada, speciality?

    I think so – UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ. Not sure about SA. Canada seems to exhibit a more North American earnestness.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Lurker

    I think so – UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ. Not sure about SA. Canada seems to exhibit a more North American earnestness.

    I think the earnestness is mainly a Midwest thing. New Yorkers are not naive. On the one hand I like the people, the earnestness, lack of crime etc in the Midwest but the lack of jadedness and cynicism in those places (like Scandinavia), the trust in your fellow man is a massive setup for failure wrt non-white immigration.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

  74. This person is an idiot. I wouldn’t accept this kind of reasoning from a kid in grade nine. Glad I went to university a million years ago.

  75. LinkTo TopTo BottomBookmarkAnyway, we don’t call it “murder” anymore because “murder” is associated in the uneducated popular mind with “murderers,” which implies agency. Instead, we now call it “gun violence.” And gun violence “falls,” like the dew, if the dew mostly fell on black segregated neighborhoods.

    Hey that reminds of when there was a muslim bloodbath in Europe during the election and Hillary called it an “event”.

    Imagine the trouble they went through to find a word that lacks any connection to any sort of agency at all! It doesn’t even imply the involvement of a human being! Natural disasters are “events”.

  76. @PiltdownMan
    All neighborhoods must bear their fair share of murders.

    No, wait!


    Gun violence is a regressive tax...
     
    We all know that progressive taxes are so much more decent and right. Wealthier neighborhoods should shoulder a higher murder rate, because they have so much more wealth, and also better employment and better schools, which will help them cope better with the aftermath of loved ones being offed.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @Anonymous

    Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing! This article is proof that we need it. 🙁

  77. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a "sinkhole.?"

    Replies: @anonymous, @Anonymous

    “Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a “sinkhole.?””

    Can this be true? If so, it’s truly shocking.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    U of C may be referring to the entire country.

    Chicago itself benefits from economies of scale, so the average-per-shooting would be significantly lower there.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, simply Google U of C study says cost of gun shot victims is $85k or something similar and the study will come up.

  78. @Ed
    @CCZ

    One thing I've noticed recently is that academics or sociologists will go ahead & publish a study that is unfavorable to blacks. However they make sure to say in the conclusions or preamble that it's not blacks fault or that they aren't racist.

    The Economist cited a study which pretty much said blacks were lazy and was the cause of much of the racial gap. The authors go on to make clear that they hate Trump and all his works to avoid accusations that they're racist.

    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21715998-establishing-cause-remains-hazardous-new-research-suggests-effort-work

    Replies: @Lot

    I also noticed this. A whole bunch of hatefacts all together with neat maps, then some lefties giving the proper PC spin.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Lot

    In communist Hungary (and I think anywhere in the Eastern Bloc) at the end of scholarly (or newspaper) articles with decidedly non-communist content and conclusions a so-called "red tail" was usually attached. The author, hoping for the laziness of the censors, wrote a lot of Leninist bullshit in the last few paragraphs, with a lot of quotes from (Soviet or local) party leaders and of course Lenin himself. These paragraphs, the "red tail" of the article, usually had little or no logical connection to the rest of the article, but helped it go past the censors. Even apolitical articles often had such "red tails".

    I'm not sure why I wrote it, since we're living in the victorious free world in free countries.

  79. @ic1000
    @CCZ

    While nice white lady sociologists like Dr. Krivo have much to offer in the way of Laputa-worthy theories, it's too bad that so few humanities professors choose a path like that of Peter Moskos. Before becoming Asst. Professor at John Jay College, he was a beat cop. I doubt Moskos' views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter, but he is alert to the realities of the issues he writes about. It would be a huge improvement if that was normal for academicians.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Ragno, @amused, @Steve Sailer

    What “nice white lady sociologists”? These so-called academicians in the opium dens of the soft social “sciences” couldn’t add two and two together nor pen a simple sentence in English that says anything. Having flunked maths and science and not having the aptitude for business courses, accounting, medicine, law, or anything remotely concrete and useful, they spend their time reading and writing drivel, teaching drivel, spouting political correctness, and inflicting their verbosity on dim-witted students who would not have lasted a semester in any meaningful academic discipline.

    • Replies: @Saint Louis
    @amused

    From a quick Googling it looks like the $85k figure may be for people who are shot and survive. I imagine a trip to the morgue is much cheaper than a trip to the ER.

  80. @Anonymous
    'Murder Inequality'.

    What a wonderful concept! - surely this has to be the ultimate in the state ensuring 'equality of opportunities' for all.
    One awaits with keen interest the imposition of hired stealth assassins, serial killers, random maniacs etc in the white bread suburbs.
    Will make life more interesting, or 'vibrant', as the argot goes, if nothing else.

    Replies: @bomag, @Jim Don Bob

    “Car violence” kills about 100 people in the US every day.

  81. Jack Hanson says:
    @Lot
    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP's single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion and gun regulations, but those are both in the top 5.

    Instead of those issues, Trump is getting himself trapped in the health care bill quagmire, going to bat for Paul Ryan's horrible bill that will cause about 30 million Americans to lose health insurance and give big tax cuts to the wealthy on their already lightly taxed investment income.

    Mickey Kaus predicted back in early January that Ryan would stop Trump from passing immigration reform by suckering him into health care issues. I thought he was being paranoid, but here we are in the third week of health care dominating the news cycle and Trump's approval now down into the 30's.

    Replies: @Steve Richter, @NOTA, @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @IHTG

    Lot never passes up an opportunity to put on his zipper mask.

    As someone from the inside, I can tell you that the changes in immigration policy have been yuge, but don’t let me stop you from getting your gimp on.

    Have you thought that maybe Trump is letting Ryan go out on a ledge and obliterate himself as a power center? Wasting his juice on this dog of a bill and then when it fails, telling him maybe new blood is needed?

    Nah, its been doom non-stop since August. When this works out in Trump’s favor you’ll just find something else to gimp up about.

    • Replies: @res
    @Jack Hanson


    Have you thought that maybe Trump is letting Ryan go out on a ledge and obliterate himself as a power center?
     
    I sincerely hope you are correct. Does anyone here know enough about Trump's history to comment on how long it takes his approaches like this to work typically?

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

  82. I predict that the next cause will be terrorism inequality, why places like Budapest does not suffer the same amount of attacks like Paris for example.

  83. Speaking of murderers, the CIA’s most famous killer just died and nobody here is saying a word.

    (Actually his life should be the ultimate Unz.com story.)

    • Replies: @Alden
    @anony-mouse

    Do tell who it is.

    Replies: @CJ

    , @Olorin
    @anony-mouse

    David Rockefeller?

    He had to get those six hearts (for his six transplants) somehow....

    http://www.magazin.ba/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/david-rockfeller.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Harry Baldwin
    @anony-mouse

    Presumably this guy, if you believe World New Daily:


    A 78-year old retired officer of the CIA, Normand Hodges, has made a series of astonishing confessions since he was admitted at the Sentara General Hospital on Monday. He claims he committed 37 assassinations for the American government between 1959 and 1972, including the actress and model, Marilyn Monroe.

    Mr. Hodges, who worked for the CIA for 41 years as an operative with top-level security clearances, claims he was often employed as a hitman by the organization, to assassinate individuals who could represent a threat to the security of the country.
     
    https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/retired-cia-agent-confesses-on-deathbed-i-killed-marilyn-monroe/

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @anony-mouse


    Speaking of murderers, the CIA’s most famous killer just died and nobody here is saying a word.
     
    Nah. Lee Harvey Oswald died years ago.
  84. @reiner Tor
    I have a good idea to solve the problem of gun violence inequality.

    All we have to do is every week gather a few hundred or thousand white liberals, gather them in a closed area, and randomly machine gun into their ranks. Some of them will die (ideally, many, because equality!), some will merely get wounded (in the name of equality they should be treated in a ghetto hospital as if they were illegal immigrants or something), some will escape unscathed. To have true equality, the machine gunners will have to be blacks (since gun violence happens through blacks in the segregated parts of the city), I'd bet we'd have a lot of enthusiastic volunteers from their ranks (especially if they will get money and media attention instead of lengthy prison sentences for that).

    A year later, we might have a conversation with white liberals about equality.

    Replies: @NOTA, @ThreeCranes

    While your idea of blacks randomly machine gunning liberals may serve justice in the cosmic sense, I think you miss the point of being a liberal.

    Espousing liberalism is not merely “virtue signaling”, although that is part of it. It is also an act of appeasement, a sort of mewling groveling before Black Power by which liberals hope to deflect Black Rage away from their blameless liberal selves and direct it instead towards the real culprits, those Bad Whites over there who won’t submit and admit their white guilt.

    Come the Revolution, Liberalism is a plea of “Please spare me”, I’m on your side”.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @ThreeCranes


    I think you miss the point of being a liberal.

    Espousing liberalism is not merely “virtue signaling”, although that is part of it. It is also an act of appeasement, a sort of mewling groveling before Black Power by which liberals hope to deflect Black Rage away from their blameless liberal selves and direct it instead towards the real culprits, those Bad Whites over there who won’t submit and admit their white guilt.
     
    I understand it very well. Which is why I'm modestly proposing to redirect that Black Rage back in their direction.
  85. Attack on UK Parliament – car runs over tourists on Westminster Bridge, police officer stabbed, his assailant shot, area in lockdown, MPs evacuated.

    Upon Westminster Bridge – Wordsworth

    Earth has not anything to show more fair:
    Dull would he be of soul who could pass by
    A sight so touching in its majesty:
    This City now doth, like a garment, wear

    The beauty of the morning: silent, bare,
    Ships, towers, domes, theatres, and temples lie
    Open unto the fields, and to the sky;
    All bright and glittering in the smokeless air.

    Never did sun more beautifully steep
    In his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill;
    Ne’er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep!

    The river glideth at his own sweet will:
    Dear God! the very houses seem asleep;
    And all that mighty heart is lying still!

    • Replies: @WGG
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Trump should declare that we will no longer defend the UK in case of attack unless and until they begin to defend themselves. No need to take a bullet from someone else's suicide.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Thanks, I'll post.

  86. Now blacks demand that Illinois White taxpayers pay for security to prevent them from killing each other at funerals.

    Chicago

    Chicago Funerals Face Threats Of Gang Violence
    March 21, 2017 6:16 PM By Jim Williams

    CHICAGO (CBS) — For many, a loved one’s funeral or wake is a somber time; but in some Chicago neighborhoods, the mourning happens under the threat of gang violence.

    CBS 2’s Jim Williams reports that some community leaders are calling for state lawmakers to crack down on this.

    While June Williams has offered comfort to the grieving at her funeral home for decades, it still didn’t prepare for her some of the things she would witness.

    “A gentleman went up to see his brother, who had been killed, and I’m standing at the casket, so of course, I’m thinking, ‘how touching — he’s grieving over his brother.’ And another walked up, put his arm around him and he stabbed him,” Williams said.

    Increasingly in Chicago, violence, often gang retaliations, plague even sacred moments such as these.

    FindTheData.org | Graphiq

    “I have experienced going to funeral homes and churches where weapons are laid up under the seats,” crisis responder Andrew Holmes said.

    These community leaders want tough legislation for those who commit violence at funerals, similar to safe school zone laws.

    And Bishop Travis Grant thinks this sort of legislation will register with some of those brazen gang members.

    “They know what gets you picked up, they know what gets you pulled over, they know what gets you held at 26th and California,” he said.

    In today’s current state, funeral directors have to avoid wearing certain colors and to look for the safest routes to cemeteries.

    “I’ve been a licensed funeral director 33 years,” Williams said. “So I’ve seen the changes in the industry, but this, I have to be scared for my own life now.”

    Some funeral directors have not only hired security, but also assigned police officers to stand outside funeral homes or churches if there is a potential for violence.

    State Senator Napoleon Harris is reportedly willing to sponsor the anti-violence legislation, the exact language of which is currently being worked on.

    Funeral directors told CBS that gang members show up at services for those they’ve killed to score points with their leaders.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Alden

    Alden, maybe Chicago Funeral Directors should be given a copy of the Golden Goose Fairy Tale.

  87. Every one of these whack doodle professors has zer own Institute for the Study of Why White People are Responsible for Everything Bad in this World, or something. Just where do they get the money for this crap? OTOH, maybe it’s just a PO box and some business cards.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Jim Don Bob

    They get the money from government grants and the great foundations where in the mega rich avoid taxes.

    In other words, off the backs of White middle class taxpayers. And from the $50,000 a year tuition, $275.00 apiece textbooks and lifelong student debt.

  88. @anony-mouse
    Speaking of murderers, the CIA's most famous killer just died and nobody here is saying a word.

    (Actually his life should be the ultimate Unz.com story.)

    Replies: @Alden, @Olorin, @Harry Baldwin, @Mr. Anon

    Do tell who it is.

  89. https://twitter.com/kiarafrobles/status/844575007514648576

    Kiara Robles is the nice young lady who was pepper sprayed by a rancid thug at a Berkeley political event. Miss Robles’ friends were attacked with sticks and beaten; one innocent man was kicked while he was down on the street. Kiara Robles is aware that the political atmosphere is getting rather extreme.

    Islamic terrorists in London and thugs in Berkeley will not stop until they are stopped. Something is going to give way. Maybe the election of Marine Le Pen will be the action that stops the political mayhem. Robles has predicted that Le Pen will be elected president of France. I think Marine Le Pen will win too.

    Sadiq Kahn, the mayor of London, is a nasty anti-White rat who pushes mass immigration and multicultural mayhem. Sadiq Kahn is a no good sonofabitch.

  90. @Lot
    @Ed

    I also noticed this. A whole bunch of hatefacts all together with neat maps, then some lefties giving the proper PC spin.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    In communist Hungary (and I think anywhere in the Eastern Bloc) at the end of scholarly (or newspaper) articles with decidedly non-communist content and conclusions a so-called “red tail” was usually attached. The author, hoping for the laziness of the censors, wrote a lot of Leninist bullshit in the last few paragraphs, with a lot of quotes from (Soviet or local) party leaders and of course Lenin himself. These paragraphs, the “red tail” of the article, usually had little or no logical connection to the rest of the article, but helped it go past the censors. Even apolitical articles often had such “red tails”.

    I’m not sure why I wrote it, since we’re living in the victorious free world in free countries.

  91. @22pp22
    Racial map of London

    http://now-here-this.timeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/ethnic_density1.jpg

    Crime map of London

    http://saferview.blogspot.com.cy/2010/09/robbery-map-of-london.html

    The same applies every city in Europe.

    This is from Sweden

    A study by the Swedish governmental organization responsible for official crime statistics examined crime during the 1997-2001 period. The study included all residents in Sweden between the ages of 15 and 51. The crimes included were those reported to the police and for which the police had registered a reasonable suspicion regarding the offender. The first number below are the over-representations for foreign born from different geographic areas. It includes both males and females. The second number is percentage of each group who became reasonably suspect of a crime during the studied five-year period.[66]

    Africa, not North or East: +430% (26,3%)
    North Africa: +370% (23,3%)
    West Asia: +280% (18.8%)
    East Africa: +250% (17,5%)
    South America: +230% (16,4%)
    Central Asia: +220% (16,1%)
    Southern Asia: +220% (15,8%)
    Europe, not EU, including Turkey: +160% (13,2%)
    European Union, new countries: +130% (11,4%)
    South East Asia: +110% (10,5%)
    Nordic Countries: +70% (8,7%)
    Not classified: +60% (7,8%)
    European Union, other countries: +40% (7,2%)
    United States, Canada, Australia och New Zealand: +10% (5,5%)
    East Asia: +0 (5,2%)

    The Guardian is a syphilitic rag.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @TelfoedJohn

    I live in one of the purple patches on those maps. A few years ago one of the ever-growing Somali community partially decapitated a fellow Somali inside a cafe nearby, while high on khat.

    This happened a few months ago: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/teenage-mob-beats-man-unconscious-with-chair-in-violent-attack-in-streatham-a3334946.html

  92. Is this not a bombshell? How is this not worse than Watergate?

    • Replies: @neutral
    @reiner Tor


    How is this not worse than Watergate?
     
    The people who control the megaphonese determine what is a scandal or not, clearly they will not want to make this one.
    , @PiltdownMan
    @reiner Tor


    Is this not a bombshell? How is this not worse than Watergate?
     
    The people who hold the megaphone are saying

    1. It's not credible
    2. It's credible but simply proof that Trump is Putin's pawn and deserved to be under surveillance
    3. It had nothing to do with him, and that he was incidental.

    All at the same time.

    They don't, of course, say that it's absolutely outrageous, criminal and un-American that the US government wiretapped a presidential nominee/president-elect of the opposing party, however indirectly or directly.
  93. @Anonymous Nephew
    Attack on UK Parliament - car runs over tourists on Westminster Bridge, police officer stabbed, his assailant shot, area in lockdown, MPs evacuated.

    Upon Westminster Bridge - Wordsworth

    Earth has not anything to show more fair:
    Dull would he be of soul who could pass by
    A sight so touching in its majesty:
    This City now doth, like a garment, wear

    The beauty of the morning: silent, bare,
    Ships, towers, domes, theatres, and temples lie
    Open unto the fields, and to the sky;
    All bright and glittering in the smokeless air.

    Never did sun more beautifully steep
    In his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill;
    Ne'er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep!

    The river glideth at his own sweet will:
    Dear God! the very houses seem asleep;
    And all that mighty heart is lying still!
     

    Replies: @WGG, @Steve Sailer

    Trump should declare that we will no longer defend the UK in case of attack unless and until they begin to defend themselves. No need to take a bullet from someone else’s suicide.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @WGG

    I take your point but . . .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

    Is there any point in the UK being involved on a war on terror when you won't begin to defend yourselves?

    Replies: @WGG

  94. I’ve personally been concerned about what I call “disease inequality” because people in hospitals and nursing homes are always bearing too large a share of illness. Much more than other people who aren’t in hospitals and nursing homes. Make a map of it and you’ll see I’m right. And then there’s ebola…that needs to be spread around more evenly, too.

    Of course, the SJW’s think they’re being really clever with the murder inequality because if our world becomes entirely desegregated, black murderers will be more evenly distributed and then, voila, murder inequality problem solved! This author is really gung ho on Steve’s magic dirt stuff, big time.

  95. @Lot
    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP's single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion and gun regulations, but those are both in the top 5.

    Instead of those issues, Trump is getting himself trapped in the health care bill quagmire, going to bat for Paul Ryan's horrible bill that will cause about 30 million Americans to lose health insurance and give big tax cuts to the wealthy on their already lightly taxed investment income.

    Mickey Kaus predicted back in early January that Ryan would stop Trump from passing immigration reform by suckering him into health care issues. I thought he was being paranoid, but here we are in the third week of health care dominating the news cycle and Trump's approval now down into the 30's.

    Replies: @Steve Richter, @NOTA, @Mr. Anon, @Chrisnonymous, @Jack Hanson, @IHTG

    I have said here a few times that black crime is the GOP’s single best issue. More than illegal immigrantion

    Nah. Core Americans (like Donald Trump) kind of like blacks, but don’t care about Hispanics.

  96. @reiner Tor
    Is this not a bombshell? How is this not worse than Watergate?

    Replies: @neutral, @PiltdownMan

    How is this not worse than Watergate?

    The people who control the megaphonese determine what is a scandal or not, clearly they will not want to make this one.

  97. @Lurker
    Occam's Butterknife? I think we're in Occam's Spork territory with this one.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    This is a good thing.

    It’s the like the third seal opening, or something.

    Once we get to ‘Occam’s Spoon’ we’ll have won the war.

  98. Sorry about slowness of moderating comments today, hope to be back at it later.

  99. And gun violence “falls,” like the dew

    If This Thing Of Ours actually works out, you’re gonna be up there with Voltaire and Swift.

  100. @Anonymous Nephew
    Attack on UK Parliament - car runs over tourists on Westminster Bridge, police officer stabbed, his assailant shot, area in lockdown, MPs evacuated.

    Upon Westminster Bridge - Wordsworth

    Earth has not anything to show more fair:
    Dull would he be of soul who could pass by
    A sight so touching in its majesty:
    This City now doth, like a garment, wear

    The beauty of the morning: silent, bare,
    Ships, towers, domes, theatres, and temples lie
    Open unto the fields, and to the sky;
    All bright and glittering in the smokeless air.

    Never did sun more beautifully steep
    In his first splendour, valley, rock, or hill;
    Ne'er saw I, never felt, a calm so deep!

    The river glideth at his own sweet will:
    Dear God! the very houses seem asleep;
    And all that mighty heart is lying still!
     

    Replies: @WGG, @Steve Sailer

    Thanks, I’ll post.

  101. If the answer to to unequal distribution of medical insurance coverage is a government program that gives everyone medical coverage, then isn’t the answer to unequal distribution of murder to give everyone the number-one tool of murder, a gun?

  102. @ThreeCranes
    @reiner Tor

    While your idea of blacks randomly machine gunning liberals may serve justice in the cosmic sense, I think you miss the point of being a liberal.

    Espousing liberalism is not merely "virtue signaling", although that is part of it. It is also an act of appeasement, a sort of mewling groveling before Black Power by which liberals hope to deflect Black Rage away from their blameless liberal selves and direct it instead towards the real culprits, those Bad Whites over there who won't submit and admit their white guilt.

    Come the Revolution, Liberalism is a plea of "Please spare me", I'm on your side".

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I think you miss the point of being a liberal.

    Espousing liberalism is not merely “virtue signaling”, although that is part of it. It is also an act of appeasement, a sort of mewling groveling before Black Power by which liberals hope to deflect Black Rage away from their blameless liberal selves and direct it instead towards the real culprits, those Bad Whites over there who won’t submit and admit their white guilt.

    I understand it very well. Which is why I’m modestly proposing to redirect that Black Rage back in their direction.

  103. One policy that had a significant impact on gun violence in New York City was stop and frisk. But liberals attacked that as raciss and it is no more. It’s pointless disputing with liberals. Why bother?

  104. @WGG
    @Anonymous Nephew

    Trump should declare that we will no longer defend the UK in case of attack unless and until they begin to defend themselves. No need to take a bullet from someone else's suicide.

    Replies: @Lurker

    • Replies: @WGG
    @Lurker

    Yeah, Trump has begun the reckoning. We are solving our Muzz problem. First stop muzz immigration, then yank the green cards of public charges.

    They are charging one of Dylan Roof's buddies for "lying" to the FBI about his friend. We can do this to every terrorists family. Under intense interrogation, most people will give false statements by falling into traps set by law enforcement. Boom. Friends and family of terrorists go to jail, then get deported.

    Main point: we elected Trump and he is just getting started. Brits deport these child- grooming killers when?

  105. @Anonymous Nephew
    @CCZ

    "inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas"

    I guess a hugely increased risk of being robbed or shot is a pretty extraordinary differential.


    (I wonder what kind of area Ms Krivo lives in?)

    Replies: @amused, @Olorin

    In a 1915-built 3,000-sf million-dollar row house in Bella Vista in Philly, if I’m not mistaken.

    http://www.phillymag.com/property/2016/08/09/bella-vista-ranked-best-place-to-live-in-philadelphia/

    According to City Data’s race maps, the neighborhood is one of the whitest in Philly, with 0-5% blacks depending on the block cluster. Still, I wouldn’t expect there to be much time to worry about blacks in da hood, or more accurately east of Passyunk Ave., when one is commuting to work at Rutgers….

    http://news.rutgers.edu/issue.2009-03-24.5360056310/article.2009-03-24.8431101214

    I’m just snarking; surely there’s another domicile, closer to 58% white/21% Asian Middlesex Co.

    More below if I have the stomach for it.

  106. @anony-mouse
    Speaking of murderers, the CIA's most famous killer just died and nobody here is saying a word.

    (Actually his life should be the ultimate Unz.com story.)

    Replies: @Alden, @Olorin, @Harry Baldwin, @Mr. Anon

    David Rockefeller?

    He had to get those six hearts (for his six transplants) somehow….

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Olorin

    How much evidence is there for the heart transplant story?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Olorin

  107. The north side of St. Louis was the elite side of town at one time. Beautiful houses and mansions were built in neighborhoods like Vandeventer Place, St. Louis Place, etc. Industries like Ford, Carter Carburetor, and Army Ammunition Plant drew lots of blacks from the south. The north side of St. Louis has been gradually reduced to burned out buildings, vacant lots, and public housing projects. I am amazed that concepts like urban renewal ever gained any traction in the first place. The problem of slums was never related to the quality of the housing–it has always been the quality of the residents. In St. Louis and cities some of the finest architecture in history has been reduced to ruins by blacks, and the resulting mess is often blamed on the buildings? Martin Luther King Drive goes past where the mansions of Vandeventer Place once stood. I think MLK was Franklin street at one time. I guess old Ben is not too important anymore, but he might have warned us.

  108. @Olorin
    @anony-mouse

    David Rockefeller?

    He had to get those six hearts (for his six transplants) somehow....

    http://www.magazin.ba/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/david-rockfeller.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    How much evidence is there for the heart transplant story?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Steve Sailer

    There's a lot of evidence in the form of a large number of internet comments. I'm unaware of other lines of evidence, but there might be. It'd be interesting to know.

    , @Olorin
    @Steve Sailer

    Well, there are those six people buried under the floorboards at Villa Fontana....

    Depicted here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davos#/media/File:Bobfahrer_Davos.jpg

  109. @Clyde
    @Kyle McKenna


    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality.
     
    So what nice lily white suburb does Lauren Krivo live in? Lily white meaning you might have Asians aka honorary whites.
    Internet sez:
    Summary: Age: 60 - 02/23/1957 --- currently lives in Philadelphia , PA. Before that, lived in Belmont , MA. is related to Robert Kaufman. https://www.mylife.com/lauren-krivo/e457056440298

    Belmont , MA. --- Mitt Romney and family used to live there. Has a large Mormon church.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    Belmont, not Fishtown?

    • Replies: @Tom-in-VA
    @Steve Sailer

    Her Philly zip code, XXXXX, puts her ... well south of Fishtown, but nowadays Fishtown is a hot neighborhood, very gentrified.

  110. @Steve Sailer
    @Olorin

    How much evidence is there for the heart transplant story?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Olorin

    There’s a lot of evidence in the form of a large number of internet comments. I’m unaware of other lines of evidence, but there might be. It’d be interesting to know.

  111. @Mr. Anon

    It may look like murder in St. Louis correlates with where blacks live, but you’re wrong! It correlates with racial segregation.
     
    If blacks are segregated, are not whites segregated too? Why don't whites respond to segregation by murdering one another at a higher rate?

    Replies: @Anonym

    If blacks are segregated, are not whites segregated too? Why don’t whites respond to segregation by murdering one another at a higher rate?

    This is why the Congo is such a peaceful place to live, because it doesn’t have the legacy of segregation.

  112. @Steve Sailer
    @Olorin

    How much evidence is there for the heart transplant story?

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Olorin

    Well, there are those six people buried under the floorboards at Villa Fontana….

    Depicted here:

  113. The Rockerfeller thing came from a World News Daily article, with nothing to back it up. You’d have to be a fool to think the transplant system actually works the way they pretend it works, but six transplants is difficult to believe, if for no other reason than it’s likely you’d die from something else before you needed that many.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  114. @Lurker
    @Zachary Latif


    Slightly off-topic but I wonder if the cultural concept of “taking the mickey” is a Commonwealth, ex-Canada, speciality?
     
    I think so - UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ. Not sure about SA. Canada seems to exhibit a more North American earnestness.

    Replies: @Anonym

    I think so – UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ. Not sure about SA. Canada seems to exhibit a more North American earnestness.

    I think the earnestness is mainly a Midwest thing. New Yorkers are not naive. On the one hand I like the people, the earnestness, lack of crime etc in the Midwest but the lack of jadedness and cynicism in those places (like Scandinavia), the trust in your fellow man is a massive setup for failure wrt non-white immigration.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonym

    Anonym, Hate to point this out but, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City and St. Louis are in the Midwest.

    Replies: @Anonym

  115. That third map seems familiar…

    Oh yeah– Brown 25:

  116. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a “sinkhole.?”"

    Can this be true? If so, it's truly shocking.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe

    U of C may be referring to the entire country.

    Chicago itself benefits from economies of scale, so the average-per-shooting would be significantly lower there.

  117. Further easy justification for moar Section 8 resettlement, just use a little passive language and intentional lies of omission. Published in the dumbed-down Guardian no less. Gonna be a tough battle on this.

    We must get limits on how many Section 8 vouchers per square mile are legal. Exchanging an urban slum for a suburban slum (without bus routes) does the resettled minorities no real favors.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @notice

    I encourage the use of nuisance law against owners of Section 8 housing.

  118. @anony-mouse
    Speaking of murderers, the CIA's most famous killer just died and nobody here is saying a word.

    (Actually his life should be the ultimate Unz.com story.)

    Replies: @Alden, @Olorin, @Harry Baldwin, @Mr. Anon

    Presumably this guy, if you believe World New Daily:

    A 78-year old retired officer of the CIA, Normand Hodges, has made a series of astonishing confessions since he was admitted at the Sentara General Hospital on Monday. He claims he committed 37 assassinations for the American government between 1959 and 1972, including the actress and model, Marilyn Monroe.

    Mr. Hodges, who worked for the CIA for 41 years as an operative with top-level security clearances, claims he was often employed as a hitman by the organization, to assassinate individuals who could represent a threat to the security of the country.

    https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/retired-cia-agent-confesses-on-deathbed-i-killed-marilyn-monroe/

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    I find it implausible that the CIA would hire one guy to kill 30-40 high-profile people. That hardly serves the cause of compartmentalization. They probably used contract killers for one-offs. How many famous people do we know were targets of the CIA? Not suspect - know. Patrice Lumumba was one. Castro was another, but they never got him. Very likely they conspired with the people who killed Ngo Dinh Diem and Salvador Allende. I'm sure there were a few others. Honestly, they didn't seem very good at assassination

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  119. Section 8 and the current federal fair housing policies might as well be called murder/rape/home invasion equality laws.

  120. The longer I live, the more inclined I am to feel that Booth killing Lincoln was the event that has had the most impact on our current status. Liberia seems like a world away.

    If only Comrade Lincoln knew!

    For a while now, I’ve used murder as a way to illustrate the base perniciousness of the doctrine of disparate impact. As I understand it, if a facially neutral law is found to have disparate impact on a protected class, the law may be found unconstitutional.

    Disparate impact is only used in a relatively narrow set of cases, as laid out by statute (mostly labor laws, as I understand it). It hasn’t yet been elevated to a general test for Constitutional law (again, as far as I know).

  121. I mean, nothing can survive the disparate impact test:

    Free speech? Nope. Blacks are poorer, have less media influence.
    Freedom of religion? Nope, black churches (and their schools) are poorer.
    2nd Amendment? Nope, blacks are less able to afford guns, die much more frequently in “gun crimes.”
    Due Process? Nope, blacks are duly processed much more frequently than other races.

  122. “Gun violence is a regressive tax that falls heaviest on neighborhoods already struggling with poverty, unemployment, and failing schools. ”

    Tax is imposed by society. Murder is imposed by anti-society.

  123. @Steve Sailer
    @Clyde

    Belmont, not Fishtown?

    Replies: @Tom-in-VA

    Her Philly zip code, XXXXX, puts her … well south of Fishtown, but nowadays Fishtown is a hot neighborhood, very gentrified.

  124. @peterike
    @Buffalo Joe


    He hustles for money by buying candy bars at Save-a-Lot and selling them in the suburbs, going door to door, saying he is raising money for a youth basketball team.

     

    I've had these black hustlers show up. Sometimes they sell magazine subscriptions, which is even worse, because you will never actually get the magazine. At least you'll get the over priced candy bar. From what I've seen, it's usually two of them. One does the chatter, the other stands by looking surly.

    It's a fairly obvious shake down with a veiled threat. But what are you gonna do? There are a lot of old people around here. How many white people are going to give them five or ten bucks just to avoid a potential beating, or having something on their property smashed?

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    peterike, He sells the candy bars at $10 each, so he doesn’t have to put that much effort into making $100. And, he sells with friends, so that matches your scenario.

  125. @Anonymous
    @Buffalo Joe

    "Anonymous, The U of Chicago, which has an excellent Med School, did a study that showed the average cost of a gun shot victim was $85,000. So, last year Chicago had 4000 shooting victims and that would be, using U of C average, $340,000,000 ! One third of a billion dollars in one year. How is that for a “sinkhole.?”"

    Can this be true? If so, it's truly shocking.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Buffalo Joe

    Anonymous, simply Google U of C study says cost of gun shot victims is $85k or something similar and the study will come up.

  126. @Anonymous
    Classic Steven Sailor material. I love the passive tense. As if there was some force of nature that rains gun violence on black neighborhoods inundating it in murder.

    Replies: @Alden

    One hears it in the news all the time. 3 people died today in the 5th street subway station because shots were fired.

    These articles do say where. But who did it and what happened are buried.

  127. @2Mintzin1
    @Hunsdon

    Disparate impact was recognized (I won't say "created", because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.


    Typically, kind of like this: 1. Plaintiffs demonstrate that in order to get the job, all employees must take some sort of test or possess some sort of credential (e.g. literacy, IQ or other Smarts test etc.; college degree). Plaintiffs offer proof that blacks don't do well on the test or other qualification. Plaintiffs prove that on a statistical basis, Blacks are less likely to be hired.

    Plaintiffs do not need to show that the employer had any animus against them because of their race or, that any actual discrimination occurred, in the traditional sense.

    3. Defendants must now demonstrate that the test, or other requirement, is legitimately needed for that particular job. If they don't, to the satisfaction of the trier of fact (could be a bunch of progressive jurors or in a bench trial, a liberal judge), defendants lose. For example, a female plaintiff who wants to be a firefighter could argue that instead of meeting the requirement that she be able to carry a human being of standard weight to safety, she be allowed to drag the person instead, maybe down a flight of stairs (bump... bump... bump).

    I feel the same way about this theory of discrimination as I do about drinking green beer on St. Patrick's Day... It bothers me. It seems to me that disparate impact was created in order to put the burden of proof on defendants, which is, or should be, recognized as violating the most basic principles of due process.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    2Mintz, excellent comment.

  128. @2Mintzin1
    @Hunsdon

    Disparate impact was recognized (I won't say "created", because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.


    Typically, kind of like this: 1. Plaintiffs demonstrate that in order to get the job, all employees must take some sort of test or possess some sort of credential (e.g. literacy, IQ or other Smarts test etc.; college degree). Plaintiffs offer proof that blacks don't do well on the test or other qualification. Plaintiffs prove that on a statistical basis, Blacks are less likely to be hired.

    Plaintiffs do not need to show that the employer had any animus against them because of their race or, that any actual discrimination occurred, in the traditional sense.

    3. Defendants must now demonstrate that the test, or other requirement, is legitimately needed for that particular job. If they don't, to the satisfaction of the trier of fact (could be a bunch of progressive jurors or in a bench trial, a liberal judge), defendants lose. For example, a female plaintiff who wants to be a firefighter could argue that instead of meeting the requirement that she be able to carry a human being of standard weight to safety, she be allowed to drag the person instead, maybe down a flight of stairs (bump... bump... bump).

    I feel the same way about this theory of discrimination as I do about drinking green beer on St. Patrick's Day... It bothers me. It seems to me that disparate impact was created in order to put the burden of proof on defendants, which is, or should be, recognized as violating the most basic principles of due process.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    Disparate impact was recognized (I won’t say “created”, because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.

    It certainly does that, but it does much more. It essentially decides all cases on a who/whom basis. Every court decision that requires a remedy for disparate impact necessarily produces a disparate impact on white applicants. Literally everything has a disparate impact, but the remedy for disparate impact is intended to create a disparate impact.

    In other words, the “disparate impact” of employment criteria (i.e., criteria that supposedly suggest unintentional or otherwise unprovable racial discrimination) is “remedied” with deliberate discrimination on the basis of race, yet somehow that’s okay as long as the victims are white.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    @ben tillman


    In other words, the “disparate impact” of employment criteria (i.e., criteria that supposedly suggest unintentional or otherwise unprovable racial discrimination) is “remedied” with deliberate discrimination on the basis of race, yet somehow that’s okay as long as the victims are white.
     
    This condition was tolerable ONLY during a period of manically high social mood and an attendant belief in Unlimited Resources.

    I aver that when the bond market truly blows up and Uncle Sam can't put EVERYTHING on the National Mastercard, tolerance among whites for all this BS will evaporate.

    We're not going back to the 1960's.
  129. @Alden
    Now blacks demand that Illinois White taxpayers pay for security to prevent them from killing each other at funerals.


    Chicago


    Chicago Funerals Face Threats Of Gang Violence
    March 21, 2017 6:16 PM By Jim Williams

    CHICAGO (CBS) — For many, a loved one’s funeral or wake is a somber time; but in some Chicago neighborhoods, the mourning happens under the threat of gang violence.

    CBS 2’s Jim Williams reports that some community leaders are calling for state lawmakers to crack down on this.

    While June Williams has offered comfort to the grieving at her funeral home for decades, it still didn’t prepare for her some of the things she would witness.

    “A gentleman went up to see his brother, who had been killed, and I’m standing at the casket, so of course, I’m thinking, ‘how touching — he’s grieving over his brother.’ And another walked up, put his arm around him and he stabbed him,” Williams said.

    Increasingly in Chicago, violence, often gang retaliations, plague even sacred moments such as these.

    FindTheData.org | Graphiq

    “I have experienced going to funeral homes and churches where weapons are laid up under the seats,” crisis responder Andrew Holmes said.

    These community leaders want tough legislation for those who commit violence at funerals, similar to safe school zone laws.

    And Bishop Travis Grant thinks this sort of legislation will register with some of those brazen gang members.

    “They know what gets you picked up, they know what gets you pulled over, they know what gets you held at 26th and California,” he said.

    In today’s current state, funeral directors have to avoid wearing certain colors and to look for the safest routes to cemeteries.

    “I’ve been a licensed funeral director 33 years,” Williams said. “So I’ve seen the changes in the industry, but this, I have to be scared for my own life now.”

    Some funeral directors have not only hired security, but also assigned police officers to stand outside funeral homes or churches if there is a potential for violence.

    State Senator Napoleon Harris is reportedly willing to sponsor the anti-violence legislation, the exact language of which is currently being worked on.

    Funeral directors told CBS that gang members show up at services for those they’ve killed to score points with their leaders.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Alden, maybe Chicago Funeral Directors should be given a copy of the Golden Goose Fairy Tale.

  130. @Jim Don Bob
    Every one of these whack doodle professors has zer own Institute for the Study of Why White People are Responsible for Everything Bad in this World, or something. Just where do they get the money for this crap? OTOH, maybe it's just a PO box and some business cards.

    Replies: @Alden

    They get the money from government grants and the great foundations where in the mega rich avoid taxes.

    In other words, off the backs of White middle class taxpayers. And from the $50,000 a year tuition, $275.00 apiece textbooks and lifelong student debt.

  131. @Anonym
    @Lurker

    I think so – UK, Ireland, Australia, NZ. Not sure about SA. Canada seems to exhibit a more North American earnestness.

    I think the earnestness is mainly a Midwest thing. New Yorkers are not naive. On the one hand I like the people, the earnestness, lack of crime etc in the Midwest but the lack of jadedness and cynicism in those places (like Scandinavia), the trust in your fellow man is a massive setup for failure wrt non-white immigration.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Anonym, Hate to point this out but, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City and St. Louis are in the Midwest.

    • Replies: @Anonym
    @Buffalo Joe

    Maybe earnestness is just something seen in whitopias? Familiarity with non-whites breeds cynicism. If Canada is said to be North American in earnestness, it is only due to Moynihan's Law of the Canadian border, and to the extent that the places we talk about have minimal familiarity with non-whites.

  132. @notice
    Further easy justification for moar Section 8 resettlement, just use a little passive language and intentional lies of omission. Published in the dumbed-down Guardian no less. Gonna be a tough battle on this.

    We must get limits on how many Section 8 vouchers per square mile are legal. Exchanging an urban slum for a suburban slum (without bus routes) does the resettled minorities no real favors.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I encourage the use of nuisance law against owners of Section 8 housing.

  133. @amused
    @ic1000

    What "nice white lady sociologists"? These so-called academicians in the opium dens of the soft social "sciences" couldn't add two and two together nor pen a simple sentence in English that says anything. Having flunked maths and science and not having the aptitude for business courses, accounting, medicine, law, or anything remotely concrete and useful, they spend their time reading and writing drivel, teaching drivel, spouting political correctness, and inflicting their verbosity on dim-witted students who would not have lasted a semester in any meaningful academic discipline.

    Replies: @Saint Louis

    From a quick Googling it looks like the $85k figure may be for people who are shot and survive. I imagine a trip to the morgue is much cheaper than a trip to the ER.

  134. @Buffalo Joe
    @Anonym

    Anonym, Hate to point this out but, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Kansas City and St. Louis are in the Midwest.

    Replies: @Anonym

    Maybe earnestness is just something seen in whitopias? Familiarity with non-whites breeds cynicism. If Canada is said to be North American in earnestness, it is only due to Moynihan’s Law of the Canadian border, and to the extent that the places we talk about have minimal familiarity with non-whites.

  135. “Is this a map of 2016 Hillary voters or of 2015 gun violence?”

    Ha! That old glue horse Thunderbiscuits could only dream of getting such broad geographical support of the US populace. In reality she won only the dense outskirts of the US — everything and I mean everything in between went to President Trump. The anti-White party (Democrats) is strictly regional in appeal.

  136. @2Mintzin1
    @Hunsdon

    Disparate impact was recognized (I won't say "created", because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.


    Typically, kind of like this: 1. Plaintiffs demonstrate that in order to get the job, all employees must take some sort of test or possess some sort of credential (e.g. literacy, IQ or other Smarts test etc.; college degree). Plaintiffs offer proof that blacks don't do well on the test or other qualification. Plaintiffs prove that on a statistical basis, Blacks are less likely to be hired.

    Plaintiffs do not need to show that the employer had any animus against them because of their race or, that any actual discrimination occurred, in the traditional sense.

    3. Defendants must now demonstrate that the test, or other requirement, is legitimately needed for that particular job. If they don't, to the satisfaction of the trier of fact (could be a bunch of progressive jurors or in a bench trial, a liberal judge), defendants lose. For example, a female plaintiff who wants to be a firefighter could argue that instead of meeting the requirement that she be able to carry a human being of standard weight to safety, she be allowed to drag the person instead, maybe down a flight of stairs (bump... bump... bump).

    I feel the same way about this theory of discrimination as I do about drinking green beer on St. Patrick's Day... It bothers me. It seems to me that disparate impact was created in order to put the burden of proof on defendants, which is, or should be, recognized as violating the most basic principles of due process.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @ben tillman, @Jim Don Bob

    IIRC, disparate impact was part of an anti-discrimination law signed by Bush the Elder. The law said that if there was a disparate impact in, say, police hiring, then it was up to the police to prove themselves not guilty of discrimination.

  137. @peterike
    You can tell Ms. Krivo's politics simply by looking at her. This is what self-destruction looks like.

    http://nbcjm.rutgers.edu/images/stories/fas_facstaff/Profiles/KRIVO.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @GregMan

    I think Steve should amend his First Law of Journalism to include academics.

    • Agree: Ivy
  138. @ic1000
    @CCZ

    While nice white lady sociologists like Dr. Krivo have much to offer in the way of Laputa-worthy theories, it's too bad that so few humanities professors choose a path like that of Peter Moskos. Before becoming Asst. Professor at John Jay College, he was a beat cop. I doubt Moskos' views would line up with those of the median iSteve commenter, but he is alert to the realities of the issues he writes about. It would be a huge improvement if that was normal for academicians.

    Replies: @CCZ, @Ragno, @amused, @Steve Sailer

    I’m cited in the footnotes of Dr. Moskos’s late father Charles’ book from a couple of decades ago.

  139. @CCZ
    Ms. Professor Krivo is another "nice white lady" PhD fixated on race (that "social construct" that supposedly has no biological basis) as the foundation of the universe.

    Her Rutgers faculty listing:

    Lauren Krivo is Professor of Sociology at Rutgers University and a faculty affiliate of the Criminal Justice Program. Her research seeks to understand the interconnections among societal racialized structures and inequality in social outcomes across racial and ethnic groups in the United States. Her book Divergent Social Worlds: Neighborhood Crime and the Racial-Spatial Divide (2010) shows that inequalities in crime across neighborhoods of distinct colors are rooted in the extraordinary differentials in community conditions that are core components of the segregated structure of U.S. urban areas. She has published widely on the role of segregation in city and neighborhood crime as well as contributing to broader academic dialogue on race, ethnicity, crime, and justice through her co-edited volumes: The Many Colors of Crime: Inequalities of Race, Ethnicity and Crime in America and “Race, Crime, and Justice: Contexts and Complexities” The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science.

    Her current research also examines the macro-structural underpinnings [of] violence as well as the sources and consequences of local spatial inequality with a particular focus on travel and mobility through residential and non-residential neighborhood spaces.

    Krivo is the co-founder of the Racial Democracy, Crime and Justice Network (RDCJN) with Ruth D. Peterson. The RDCJN is a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship at the intersection of race, crime, and justice, and promote the success of junior scholars of color through its Summer Research Institute.


     

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Anonymous Nephew, @ic1000, @Ed, @Jake, @Karl

    3 CCZ > a national network of scholars that seeks to broaden scholarship

    = “get grant money”

    if the alt-right would just outbid the Soros crowd, they could buy the Sociology-claque’s expressed-feelings in academic journals worldwide.

    As for me, I propose to put all the Sociologists into the Chain Gang.

  140. @reiner Tor
    Is this not a bombshell? How is this not worse than Watergate?

    Replies: @neutral, @PiltdownMan

    Is this not a bombshell? How is this not worse than Watergate?

    The people who hold the megaphone are saying

    1. It’s not credible
    2. It’s credible but simply proof that Trump is Putin’s pawn and deserved to be under surveillance
    3. It had nothing to do with him, and that he was incidental.

    All at the same time.

    They don’t, of course, say that it’s absolutely outrageous, criminal and un-American that the US government wiretapped a presidential nominee/president-elect of the opposing party, however indirectly or directly.

  141. @Lurker
    @WGG

    I take your point but . . .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks

    Is there any point in the UK being involved on a war on terror when you won't begin to defend yourselves?

    Replies: @WGG

    Yeah, Trump has begun the reckoning. We are solving our Muzz problem. First stop muzz immigration, then yank the green cards of public charges.

    They are charging one of Dylan Roof’s buddies for “lying” to the FBI about his friend. We can do this to every terrorists family. Under intense interrogation, most people will give false statements by falling into traps set by law enforcement. Boom. Friends and family of terrorists go to jail, then get deported.

    Main point: we elected Trump and he is just getting started. Brits deport these child- grooming killers when?

  142. @anony-mouse
    Speaking of murderers, the CIA's most famous killer just died and nobody here is saying a word.

    (Actually his life should be the ultimate Unz.com story.)

    Replies: @Alden, @Olorin, @Harry Baldwin, @Mr. Anon

    Speaking of murderers, the CIA’s most famous killer just died and nobody here is saying a word.

    Nah. Lee Harvey Oswald died years ago.

  143. @Harry Baldwin
    @anony-mouse

    Presumably this guy, if you believe World New Daily:


    A 78-year old retired officer of the CIA, Normand Hodges, has made a series of astonishing confessions since he was admitted at the Sentara General Hospital on Monday. He claims he committed 37 assassinations for the American government between 1959 and 1972, including the actress and model, Marilyn Monroe.

    Mr. Hodges, who worked for the CIA for 41 years as an operative with top-level security clearances, claims he was often employed as a hitman by the organization, to assassinate individuals who could represent a threat to the security of the country.
     
    https://worldnewsdailyreport.com/retired-cia-agent-confesses-on-deathbed-i-killed-marilyn-monroe/

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    I find it implausible that the CIA would hire one guy to kill 30-40 high-profile people. That hardly serves the cause of compartmentalization. They probably used contract killers for one-offs. How many famous people do we know were targets of the CIA? Not suspect – know. Patrice Lumumba was one. Castro was another, but they never got him. Very likely they conspired with the people who killed Ngo Dinh Diem and Salvador Allende. I’m sure there were a few others. Honestly, they didn’t seem very good at assassination

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Mr. Anon

    I thought this site was really fake news, like The Onion.

  144. @Mr. Anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    I find it implausible that the CIA would hire one guy to kill 30-40 high-profile people. That hardly serves the cause of compartmentalization. They probably used contract killers for one-offs. How many famous people do we know were targets of the CIA? Not suspect - know. Patrice Lumumba was one. Castro was another, but they never got him. Very likely they conspired with the people who killed Ngo Dinh Diem and Salvador Allende. I'm sure there were a few others. Honestly, they didn't seem very good at assassination

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    I thought this site was really fake news, like The Onion.

  145. Steve how much does Lot put in your tin cup to ensure that his ridiculous defeatism can never be answered?

  146. @peterike
    You can tell Ms. Krivo's politics simply by looking at her. This is what self-destruction looks like.

    http://nbcjm.rutgers.edu/images/stories/fas_facstaff/Profiles/KRIVO.jpg

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @GregMan

    More like, “this is what being a useless waste of oxygen looks like”.

  147. “It’s not about race, per se, it’s about how other conditions are racialized, are racially inequitable,” said Lauren Krivo

    These are the abstractions of logic (lies) told to oneself to combat intense cognitive dissonance. Peak SJW is in our collective rear view mirror.

  148. @CK
    @Kyle McKenna

    I think you meant white-on-black crime which does not exist; black-on-white crime does.

    Replies: @FPD72

    I think your sarcasm detector isn’t working. Also, since black on white crime is hardly ever reported as such in the media, I guess that a case could be made that it doesn’t exist!

    • Agree: Kyle McKenna
  149. @Jack Hanson
    @Lot

    Lot never passes up an opportunity to put on his zipper mask.

    As someone from the inside, I can tell you that the changes in immigration policy have been yuge, but don't let me stop you from getting your gimp on.

    Have you thought that maybe Trump is letting Ryan go out on a ledge and obliterate himself as a power center? Wasting his juice on this dog of a bill and then when it fails, telling him maybe new blood is needed?

    Nah, its been doom non-stop since August. When this works out in Trump's favor you'll just find something else to gimp up about.

    Replies: @res

    Have you thought that maybe Trump is letting Ryan go out on a ledge and obliterate himself as a power center?

    I sincerely hope you are correct. Does anyone here know enough about Trump’s history to comment on how long it takes his approaches like this to work typically?

    • Replies: @Jack Hanson
    @res

    Trump's common MO seems to be letting an opponent over extend themselves and then counter punch.

    They're not calling it Trumpcare, they're calling it Ryancare. Ryan's phone calls were leaked and Trump never commented on it. This was a guy who encouraged Romney to make a spectacle of himself just to make a point. Why? B/c Ryan is some sort of Machiavelli? No. Because you don't interrupt an enemy when they're self destructing.

    Trump is letting Ryan destroy himself while elevating the Freedom Caucus. But the SMARTEST BLOG ON THE INTERNET loves to wallow in their own defeatism.

  150. @ben tillman
    @2Mintzin1


    Disparate impact was recognized (I won’t say “created”, because I believe it was a theory advanced by counsel for the plaintiffs) by the Supremes as a way of putting the burden of proof on Defendants to disprove race discrimination, rather than having the plaintiffs, as in the normal course of any trial, prove that Defendants discriminated against them.
     
    It certainly does that, but it does much more. It essentially decides all cases on a who/whom basis. Every court decision that requires a remedy for disparate impact necessarily produces a disparate impact on white applicants. Literally everything has a disparate impact, but the remedy for disparate impact is intended to create a disparate impact.

    In other words, the "disparate impact" of employment criteria (i.e., criteria that supposedly suggest unintentional or otherwise unprovable racial discrimination) is "remedied" with deliberate discrimination on the basis of race, yet somehow that's okay as long as the victims are white.

    Replies: @dc.sunsets

    In other words, the “disparate impact” of employment criteria (i.e., criteria that supposedly suggest unintentional or otherwise unprovable racial discrimination) is “remedied” with deliberate discrimination on the basis of race, yet somehow that’s okay as long as the victims are white.

    This condition was tolerable ONLY during a period of manically high social mood and an attendant belief in Unlimited Resources.

    I aver that when the bond market truly blows up and Uncle Sam can’t put EVERYTHING on the National Mastercard, tolerance among whites for all this BS will evaporate.

    We’re not going back to the 1960’s.

  151. @Clyde
    @Kyle McKenna


    Social Grievance Warriors should offer themselves up for the sake of Murder Equality.
     
    So what nice lily white suburb does Lauren Krivo live in? Lily white meaning you might have Asians aka honorary whites.
    Internet sez:
    Summary: Age: 60 - 02/23/1957 --- currently lives in Philadelphia , PA. Before that, lived in Belmont , MA. is related to Robert Kaufman. https://www.mylife.com/lauren-krivo/e457056440298

    Belmont , MA. --- Mitt Romney and family used to live there. Has a large Mormon church.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Brutusale

    The only minorities she ever met in Belmont, MA were landscapers.

    Median single-family house: $904K

  152. Jack Hanson says:
    @res
    @Jack Hanson


    Have you thought that maybe Trump is letting Ryan go out on a ledge and obliterate himself as a power center?
     
    I sincerely hope you are correct. Does anyone here know enough about Trump's history to comment on how long it takes his approaches like this to work typically?

    Replies: @Jack Hanson

    Trump’s common MO seems to be letting an opponent over extend themselves and then counter punch.

    They’re not calling it Trumpcare, they’re calling it Ryancare. Ryan’s phone calls were leaked and Trump never commented on it. This was a guy who encouraged Romney to make a spectacle of himself just to make a point. Why? B/c Ryan is some sort of Machiavelli? No. Because you don’t interrupt an enemy when they’re self destructing.

    Trump is letting Ryan destroy himself while elevating the Freedom Caucus. But the SMARTEST BLOG ON THE INTERNET loves to wallow in their own defeatism.

  153. I confess. I’m so sorry.
    I have not been doing my bit to equalize the murder stats… Not only have I not murdered anyone (not a single person, let alone a group of people), I’ve not EVEN attempted to murder anyone.

    Sad to say, it’s not even occurred to me. How narrow-minded is that!?!

    I blame my parents, actually, and also, probably the whole educational system. Neither one ever told me, instructed me, that murder is just another form of solution. Hard to take it up as a middle-aged adult if no one ever took the trouble at a young age to point me in the murderous direction.

    Perhaps I can get partial credit for thinking bad thoughts about the idiot that pulled-out in front of me?

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