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From Crime Watch Boystown Chicago:

Man stole tow truck, then called 911 to complain because victim pulled a gun on him, prosecutors say

January 14, 2021 CWBChicago Citywide

A Grand Crossing man stole a towing company’s truck and then called 911 himself because he was upset that the truck’s driver dared to pull a gun on him, prosecutors said.

Elliott Scott, 22, is charged with aggravated possession of a stolen motor vehicle, misdemeanor theft, and driving on a suspended or revoked license.

“Mr. Scott called 911?” a befuddled Judge Charles Beach asked prosecutors after hearing their allegations.

“Yeah,” Scott interjected. “Right.”

Scott’s defense attorney quickly advised him, “it’s not best to talk about the charges” in court.

Prosecutors said police responded to a call Tuesday after someone stole a flatbed tow truck operated by Tri-City Towing from the 7400 block of South Exchange. The company’s owner provided police with its GPS coordinates, and cops went to that location.

While police were on their way, “the defendant called 911 and said he stole a truck and he was upset because the owner pulled a gun on him,” an assistant state’s attorney told Beach during Scott’s bond court hearing Wednesday.

… Beach said he would allow Scott to go home on electronic monitoring without requiring a cash bail because “he did not use a weapon during this matter. He called the police, apparently, upon himself.”

 
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  1. OT:

    Why still no mention here of Amerika’s own Pavlik Morozov, Helena Duke, who’s earned over $60,00o for family- and class-betrayal?

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-helena-duke-pay-for-college

    Is there a more appropriately eponymous moniker for a Masshole fink who profits off her own kin for misdemeanor disorder than “Duke”?

    Enjoy your new snitch-ocracy Kultur, Amerika!

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Pavlika Morozova

    It seems that Helena's Mother and Aunt got into a scuffle with an undercover officer. I'm sure the cop immediately identified her as such.

    , @Chris Mallory
    @Pavlika Morozova

    She does want to go into the Peace Corp. Maybe a crocodile or cannibal will eat her.

    , @North Detroit
    @Pavlika Morozova

    Wonder of wonders. She wants to be a lawyer.

    , @vinteuil
    @Pavlika Morozova

    The pic you link to is not a photo - it's a 3d render in Daz Studio or something similar.

    , @Escher
    @Pavlika Morozova

    Wait for a wave of brainwashed kids to turn in their crimethinking parents, as Comrade Kamala makes shrill speeches from the Floyd Memorial.

  2. We’ve created a society that caters to a half-wit criminal underclass out of “compassion,” yet the underclass is too dumb to do anything other than internalize it as a new set of norms that validates their underlying immortality. Rinse. Wash. Repeat.

    What a world…

  3. School bullying should land the bully in juvenile hall. Except in the case of capital bullying where strong evidence of guilt exists, the bully should be let out on reasonable bail (though also barred from school attendance).

    [MORE]

    There is a high, positive correlation between one’s total years of K-12 public education and the length of time one will spend in state prison.

    • Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)
    @Abolish_public_education

    "There is a high, positive correlation between one’s total years of K-12 public education and the length of time one will spend in state prison."

    Citation, please.

  4. Truly a bizarre story.

    Shades of the sidewalk mugging in the “LA Story” movie.

    “Hi, I’m Troy. I’ll be your carjacker this evening.”

  5. “Tri-City”? What are the other two?

    The name “Grand Crossing” comes from an 1853 right-of-way feud between the Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway and the Illinois Central Railroad that led to a frog war and a crash that killed 18 people. The crash was the result of Roswell B. Mason (later to serve as mayor of Chicago) illegally constructing railroad tracks, on behalf of the Illinois Central, across another railroad company’s tracks. Due to the lack of safety at the crossing, trains made complete stops here and therefore industry developed around the area to cater to the railroad workers.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Grand_Crossing,_Chicago#Etymology
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_war

    Railroad Crossing War and Grand Crossing

    Now this is reporting!

    Each moment the scene became, if possible, more heart-rending. Here sat a poor woman with a broken limb, and her little daughter stood by her side, weeping and begging for assistance. They lay a young German, dead, her sister wringing her hands and crying, “Mein bruder, mein bruder!” Here a child crying, “O, my father,” there a woman wailing for the loss of her infant. A woman dead, her mangled features but partially concealed by a cloak, and at her side only a faithful dog.

    Three children, from three to ten years of age, were taken from the water, and placed side by side, at the head of one sat the bereaved father. No one came to claim the other two.

    An infant was picked out of the ruins unharmed, but no mother could be found for it.

    https://chicagology.com/grandjunction/

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Reg Cæsar

    On the South Side, and in NW Indiana, there seems to be another RR every mile. That's where the trains came in, and to a certain extent still do, from the East.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Reg Cæsar

    "“Tri-City”? What are the other two?"

    Based on the location it could be Whiting and East Chicago, Indiana. But you might be able to exchange Gary or Hammond, or even Dolton, IL (or one of the other little forgotten near south suburban towns in that area.)

    Chicago may not even be one of the tri's at all.

  6. But will Scott still be able to attend Mensa meetings while under electronic monitoring?

    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  7. @Reg Cæsar
    "Tri-City"? What are the other two?

    The name "Grand Crossing" comes from an 1853 right-of-way feud between the Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway and the Illinois Central Railroad that led to a frog war and a crash that killed 18 people. The crash was the result of Roswell B. Mason (later to serve as mayor of Chicago) illegally constructing railroad tracks, on behalf of the Illinois Central, across another railroad company's tracks. Due to the lack of safety at the crossing, trains made complete stops here and therefore industry developed around the area to cater to the railroad workers.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Grand_Crossing,_Chicago#Etymology
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_war

     

    Railroad Crossing War and Grand Crossing


    Now this is reporting!

    Each moment the scene became, if possible, more heart-rending. Here sat a poor woman with a broken limb, and her little daughter stood by her side, weeping and begging for assistance. They lay a young German, dead, her sister wringing her hands and crying, “Mein bruder, mein bruder!” Here a child crying, “O, my father,” there a woman wailing for the loss of her infant. A woman dead, her mangled features but partially concealed by a cloak, and at her side only a faithful dog.

    Three children, from three to ten years of age, were taken from the water, and placed side by side, at the head of one sat the bereaved father. No one came to claim the other two.

    An infant was picked out of the ruins unharmed, but no mother could be found for it.

    https://chicagology.com/grandjunction/

     




    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JljOaRWFo9E/XFzMB4ta99I/AAAAAAABTx8/Nr71aSa4Zp8EC8n6Bjp6Z7nFdq2ZgZxMwCLcBGAs/s1600/51373650_2940625442629971_1622271656653225984_n.jpg

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Mike Tre

    On the South Side, and in NW Indiana, there seems to be another RR every mile. That’s where the trains came in, and to a certain extent still do, from the East.

  8. While ridiculous and in keeping with the times we live in that the young black thug himself called 911 on the people he himself was victimizing, pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious. The article states the theif didn’t have a weapon and doesn’t mention any other kind of violent behavior, so pointing a (I’m going to guess loaded) gun at this idiot while he’s scrambling to get away, while understandable emotionally, is not exactly the most proportional response. For those who might balk at this, would it be acceptable to shoot him while he’s driving away? (I’m sure some exasperated Unz readers would say yes ha ha)

    • Agree: Charon
    • Troll: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Blue Collar Mike

    It could be seen as a preemptive display of weapon meant to prevent a departing attack by the perp. The victim would not have known if Scott might be armed with an as yet unused gun, or if he would behave with the unpredictable and arbitrary violence that a portion of the vibrant community sometimes do.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Blue Collar Mike


    ...pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious.
     
    A stolen truck is a pretty deadly weapon. Especially if speeding. Through a stickball game. Or, more likely today, fútbol callejero.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/5e/9c/a15e9c1c5aed7389f0ddcce49548f89d.jpg



    It's his civic duty to stop the thief!


    Oh, and as an addendum to the support for the AOC bill in my previous comment, it is our civic duty to stop the thieves Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi. Ayanna Pressley is on board; urge your GOP Congresscreature to join them!

    Rep. Pressley Signs On to Puerto Rico Self-Determination Act of 2020

    Replies: @riches

    , @North Detroit
    @Blue Collar Mike

    Are armoured car guards' guns unloaded?

    Replies: @3g4me

    , @Ben tillman
    @Blue Collar Mike

    Ultimately the enforcement of every law, no matter how minor, relies on the threat of the use of deadly force.

    , @bomag
    @Blue Collar Mike


    ...[gun here] is not exactly the most proportional response
     
    A fair assumption is that anyone willing to steal a big-ticket item is willing to use deadly force.
  9. “misdemeanor theft?”

    That must be some beat-up, old, tow truck.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @additionalMike


    “misdemeanor theft?”


    That must be some beat-up, old, tow truck.

     

    But there are those who love it.


    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pixar/images/3/39/SirTwoMater.png

    , @Hibernian
    @additionalMike

    Charging what would normally be grand theft auto as a misdemeanor may be part of the DA Kim Foxx's reforms, and/or Ms. Lightfoot's in CPD.

  10. Scott, 22, has no criminal background.

    Making it to 22 with a clean rap sheet, that’s nearly as crazy as calling the cops on the victim of his crime. Mr Scott is a late developer.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  11. Best throwaway line: “Scott, 22, has no criminal background.”

    A few possibilities: Scott, at the fairly advanced age of 22, had never before been arrested because, as a criminal mastermind, he had previously managed to cover his tracks in all his criminal endeavors.

    Or: Mayor Groot’s seeming indifference to crime has encouraged heretofore law-abiding citizens — many of whom may lack either the necessary cleverness, ruthlessness or both for a successful criminal career — to take up crime as a “side job,” much as Chicago police officers frequently have “side jobs” as bouncers, bartenders or porch deck repairmen.

    Mr. Scott’s inexperience in stealing the flatbed tow truck in question is apparent from (1) his failure to bring a gun with him, an egregious breach of criminal etiquette in Chicago, coupled with (2) his reaction when the truck’s owner produced his own gun. If Mr. Scott had been a professional criminal, and not a dilettante, he would have refrained from calling the authorities, keeping in mind the First Commandment of the Streets: “Snitches Get Stitches.”

    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because “he did not use a weapon during this matter.” Mr. Scott’s amateur status remains intact.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Another (likely) possibility is simply that most criminals aren't caught and hence never encounter the 'justice' system. I've had way too many encounters with criminals and never a one of them has been apprehended. Actually they were never pursued because the police's role is to show up some time afterward and take notes. They're irritated with you for making them work. I quit reporting crimes a long time ago.

    “the defendant called 911 and said he stole a truck and he was upset because the owner pulled a gun on him”
     

    I'm less amazed by this than others here, it seems. Remember we're enabling what we used to call criminals, coast to coast. They've got the go-ahead in virtually every Democrat jurisdiction. Why wouldn't they consider themselves entitled?

    Replies: @anon

    , @Bragadocious
    @Gary in Gramercy

    No criminal background can also mean arrests have been sealed by a judge, because of disparate impact and inequality and structural racism. The slate is simply wiped clean. This is why Bronx hospital shooter "Dr" Bello got his job -- previous arrests (and one conviction) had been sealed and his employer had no idea.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Best throwaway line: “Scott, 22, has no criminal background.”
     
    Maybe he has a sealed juvenile record, and this is his first criminal foray as an adult. Or, as Occam's Razor would suggest, he's just a moron.
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Best throwaway line: “Scott, 22, has no criminal background.”
     
    I have a feeling this sentence might, more accurately, include the qualifying phrase "apart from a juvenile record that remains sealed, but only for children of color (i.e. blacks), because systemic racism".

    Replies: @Hibernian

    , @Ragno
    @Gary in Gramercy


    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because “he did not use a weapon during this matter.”
     
    Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail because Mr Scott is black and he committed the crime in question.

    The article states the thief didn’t have a weapon and doesn’t mention any other kind of violent behavior.
     
    There's a strong likelihood that same newspaper has never uttered a single word about Hunter Biden's bagman duties during his family's shakedown of our nation's enemies, or the name "Tony Bobulinski". And any journalist whose followup reporting were to contradict the initial story would be an ex-journalist in short order.

    Pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious.
     
    A brief scan of the articles posted here by Paul Kersey and Kenn Gividen strongly indicate that being judged by 12 beats being carried by 6.
  12. @Gary in Gramercy
    Best throwaway line: "Scott, 22, has no criminal background."

    A few possibilities: Scott, at the fairly advanced age of 22, had never before been arrested because, as a criminal mastermind, he had previously managed to cover his tracks in all his criminal endeavors.

    Or: Mayor Groot's seeming indifference to crime has encouraged heretofore law-abiding citizens -- many of whom may lack either the necessary cleverness, ruthlessness or both for a successful criminal career -- to take up crime as a "side job," much as Chicago police officers frequently have "side jobs" as bouncers, bartenders or porch deck repairmen.

    Mr. Scott's inexperience in stealing the flatbed tow truck in question is apparent from (1) his failure to bring a gun with him, an egregious breach of criminal etiquette in Chicago, coupled with (2) his reaction when the truck's owner produced his own gun. If Mr. Scott had been a professional criminal, and not a dilettante, he would have refrained from calling the authorities, keeping in mind the First Commandment of the Streets: "Snitches Get Stitches."

    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because "he did not use a weapon during this matter." Mr. Scott's amateur status remains intact.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Bragadocious, @Jim Don Bob, @Johann Ricke, @Ragno

    Another (likely) possibility is simply that most criminals aren’t caught and hence never encounter the ‘justice’ system. I’ve had way too many encounters with criminals and never a one of them has been apprehended. Actually they were never pursued because the police’s role is to show up some time afterward and take notes. They’re irritated with you for making them work. I quit reporting crimes a long time ago.

    “the defendant called 911 and said he stole a truck and he was upset because the owner pulled a gun on him”

    I’m less amazed by this than others here, it seems. Remember we’re enabling what we used to call criminals, coast to coast. They’ve got the go-ahead in virtually every Democrat jurisdiction. Why wouldn’t they consider themselves entitled?

    • Agree: Ray Huffman, Charon, 3g4me, bomag
    • Replies: @anon
    @Polistra

    Actually they were never pursued because the police’s role is to show up some time afterward and take notes.

    A friend of mine used to be a cop, now he advises private citizens and some organizations on security issues. He refers to the police as "crime scene janitors".

  13. @Reg Cæsar
    "Tri-City"? What are the other two?

    The name "Grand Crossing" comes from an 1853 right-of-way feud between the Lake Shore and Michigan Southern Railway and the Illinois Central Railroad that led to a frog war and a crash that killed 18 people. The crash was the result of Roswell B. Mason (later to serve as mayor of Chicago) illegally constructing railroad tracks, on behalf of the Illinois Central, across another railroad company's tracks. Due to the lack of safety at the crossing, trains made complete stops here and therefore industry developed around the area to cater to the railroad workers.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Grand_Crossing,_Chicago#Etymology
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_war

     

    Railroad Crossing War and Grand Crossing


    Now this is reporting!

    Each moment the scene became, if possible, more heart-rending. Here sat a poor woman with a broken limb, and her little daughter stood by her side, weeping and begging for assistance. They lay a young German, dead, her sister wringing her hands and crying, “Mein bruder, mein bruder!” Here a child crying, “O, my father,” there a woman wailing for the loss of her infant. A woman dead, her mangled features but partially concealed by a cloak, and at her side only a faithful dog.

    Three children, from three to ten years of age, were taken from the water, and placed side by side, at the head of one sat the bereaved father. No one came to claim the other two.

    An infant was picked out of the ruins unharmed, but no mother could be found for it.

    https://chicagology.com/grandjunction/

     




    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JljOaRWFo9E/XFzMB4ta99I/AAAAAAABTx8/Nr71aSa4Zp8EC8n6Bjp6Z7nFdq2ZgZxMwCLcBGAs/s1600/51373650_2940625442629971_1622271656653225984_n.jpg

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Mike Tre

    ““Tri-City”? What are the other two?”

    Based on the location it could be Whiting and East Chicago, Indiana. But you might be able to exchange Gary or Hammond, or even Dolton, IL (or one of the other little forgotten near south suburban towns in that area.)

    Chicago may not even be one of the tri’s at all.

  14. Off Topic:

    But not! This has the same level of blindness to the facts as perceived by others as a thief complaining about his victim pulling a gun on him:

    “Hector Sanchez Barba, head of Mi Familia Vota, who has criticized Biden on immigration policy in the past, wouldn’t share specific details discussed in the private meeting. Still, he said, Biden’s plan “is the most aggressive agenda that I have seen on immigration reform from day one — not only the legislative package, but also executive orders.”

    You have to read the article to believe it. Biden and the immigration groups want to get going on immigration and legalization right away — even though the country is down about 10 million jobs, I believe. On the other hand I can’t believe Trump’s and Biden’s silence over helping out the Central American countries devasted by the two hurricanes last fall. The people down there with nothing are planning to come up here. Why didn’t we offer to help with any aid or rebuilding? It costs a lot less to help than have all those people come up here. Or does Biden want millions at our borders?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-ready-immigration-push-biden-235601227.html

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @notsaying


    does Biden want millions at our borders?
     
    He and all Dems want millions crossing our borders. Which almost gives me pause: they've just about sewn up the demographics thing, along with felon voting, two new states, expanding the supreme court, eliminating the filibuster, abolishing the electoral college, etc. Why keep the pedal to the metal?

    Because it's what they do, that's why.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  15. In “duty to retreat” states like New York it is illegal to pull a gun on somebody stealing your vehicle unless you’re occupying it. You have to let them take it. The cops will probably arrest you and confiscate all your guns if you don’t.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Dr. X

    Devil's advocate, is property worth taking someone's life? You don't know much about the person whose life you're taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn't very good, but I wouldn't be happy taking someone's life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that's another matter.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dr. X, @jsm, @Stan d Mute, @Nico, @Gerard Frederick

  16. Maybe the thugs are starting to wake up to the concept of no cops means vigilantism which means shot dead on the spot with no 3 hots & a cot and stupid prison fangirl fanmail….

    • Agree: Cauchemar du Singe
  17. That happened in my neighborhood just a few weeks ago. Some tweaker was messing with a neighbor’s back porch door, unaware he was on camera. The neighbor came out with a gun and the tweaker started screaming “there’s a guy with a gun and he’s going to shoot me FOR NO REASON!!! Somebody call the police!”

    Woke me up some time around 2am, and I sat there highly annoyed wondering what the hell was going on. The next day another neighbor told me the story, which ended up being kind of funny when I thought about it. I mean, of all the reactions, the thief screams for the cops? He also left his cell phone behind, but the cops weren’t interested. Neighbor #2 showed me his texts, and I ended up feeling sorry for his dad, apparently a Lummi Indian, who was obviously worried about him.

    I don’t know whether the lockdown makes it more noticeable or what, but I’m seeing tweakers and drug dealing all over the place lately. Seems every time I take my 6yo to the park I see someone making a deal. Reminds me of the 80s.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Bill P


    Seems every time I take my 6yo to the park I see someone making a deal. Reminds me of the 80s.
     
    It's beginning to feel like a return to the high-crime days of yore where I am too. Regularly menaced and harassed by the usual suspects in public places. Thought that was history, but it turns out history is repeating.

    I've a troubling feeling that this time may be worse. Because now the 'entitled ones' have the full force of every single institution of our society behind them, and more: crime itself is now seen as one of their many entitlements, and we're not even permitted to talk about it. This forum's days may be numbered.

    , @3g4me
    @Bill P

    @17 Bill P: Not funny, but typical. All POC thugs/grifters (but I repeat myself) know the cops are generally afraid to arrest them for fear of losing their pensions. If you attempt to protect yourself and/or your property while armed and particularly while White, YOU will be arrested, even in many states where you are not required to 'retreat.' The cops are not your friend, White man. Ever.

  18. Shows you how far the Chicago I was born and raised near has fallen.

    In the old days, the CPD would’ve found Mr. Scott with a revolver’s worth of bullet holes in him, bleeding or bled out behind the wheel of the stolen truck.

    And how damned stupid do you have to be to steal a commercial vehicle? Besides the fact it’ll have the company name on it and a vehicle number, it’ll have some sort of monitoring on it. The company wants to know if Joe the truck driver has parked his truck and is pounding beers 🍺 at some dive bar.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @mmack


    And how damned stupid do you have to be to steal a commercial vehicle?
     
    A UPS truck was once left running in Lansing while the driver delivered a package. Some fat, naked black women drove off with it.



    A Seasoning Hell: The great Lansing mustard caper


    That Indianapolis Star cartoon depicts two of them as blond. The other must be Doshaline.


    Here are the real things. Okay, fat by 1980 standards, not today's.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @mmack

  19. Repo man’s always intense. I blame society.

    • Replies: @Gary in Gramercy
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Can you imagine what Harry Dean Stanton would say about this? "These mopes don't know anything about 'The Code.'"

    , @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    That's bullshit. You're a white suburban punk just like me.

  20. Why wasn’t the tow truck owner who pulled the gun not arrested on some trumped up charges? He certainly would have been in NYC!

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Dan Hayes

    We'll be catching up to you guys soon!

  21. @Polistra
    @Gary in Gramercy

    Another (likely) possibility is simply that most criminals aren't caught and hence never encounter the 'justice' system. I've had way too many encounters with criminals and never a one of them has been apprehended. Actually they were never pursued because the police's role is to show up some time afterward and take notes. They're irritated with you for making them work. I quit reporting crimes a long time ago.

    “the defendant called 911 and said he stole a truck and he was upset because the owner pulled a gun on him”
     

    I'm less amazed by this than others here, it seems. Remember we're enabling what we used to call criminals, coast to coast. They've got the go-ahead in virtually every Democrat jurisdiction. Why wouldn't they consider themselves entitled?

    Replies: @anon

    Actually they were never pursued because the police’s role is to show up some time afterward and take notes.

    A friend of mine used to be a cop, now he advises private citizens and some organizations on security issues. He refers to the police as “crime scene janitors”.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  22. @notsaying
    Off Topic:

    But not! This has the same level of blindness to the facts as perceived by others as a thief complaining about his victim pulling a gun on him:

    "Hector Sanchez Barba, head of Mi Familia Vota, who has criticized Biden on immigration policy in the past, wouldn’t share specific details discussed in the private meeting. Still, he said, Biden’s plan “is the most aggressive agenda that I have seen on immigration reform from day one — not only the legislative package, but also executive orders.”

    You have to read the article to believe it. Biden and the immigration groups want to get going on immigration and legalization right away -- even though the country is down about 10 million jobs, I believe. On the other hand I can't believe Trump's and Biden's silence over helping out the Central American countries devasted by the two hurricanes last fall. The people down there with nothing are planning to come up here. Why didn't we offer to help with any aid or rebuilding? It costs a lot less to help than have all those people come up here. Or does Biden want millions at our borders?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-ready-immigration-push-biden-235601227.html

    Replies: @Polistra

    does Biden want millions at our borders?

    He and all Dems want millions crossing our borders. Which almost gives me pause: they’ve just about sewn up the demographics thing, along with felon voting, two new states, expanding the supreme court, eliminating the filibuster, abolishing the electoral college, etc. Why keep the pedal to the metal?

    Because it’s what they do, that’s why.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Polistra


    two new states
     
    AOC stands in the way of one of them. Why aren't Republicans joining her? Where is the bill today?

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8113?s=1&r=3

    As for DC, any move toward statehood must be suspended until the genocidal names of Washington and Columbia are removed. We can start painting them over right away.

    WaPo: A guide to every person whose name could be removed from D.C. buildings or sites, from the famous to the forgotten


    felon voting
     
    We should be demanding the harmonization of voter registration and firearm licensing. To buy a gun, you need only show your voter ID. Let the registrars mull over whether their constituents can be trusted with both!

    abolishing the electoral college
     
    Even if they get 67 senators, do you really think fewer than 13 states will reject it? We should play offense, and go after the 23rd Amendment. Why should New Liberia have three electors? Especially with a white majority now?

    Replies: @Polistra

  23. @Dr. X
    In "duty to retreat" states like New York it is illegal to pull a gun on somebody stealing your vehicle unless you're occupying it. You have to let them take it. The cops will probably arrest you and confiscate all your guns if you don't.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Devil’s advocate, is property worth taking someone’s life? You don’t know much about the person whose life you’re taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn’t very good, but I wouldn’t be happy taking someone’s life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that’s another matter.

    • Agree: notsaying, Charon
    • LOL: 3g4me
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Polistra

    So what quip do you have ready to go when the guy who violated the boundary of your house and violated your property and violated your dignity SHOCKINGLY has no issue with killing or raping you? This is actually pretty normal, there's William Petit, excuse me, Dr William Petit, and that video of the woman who cooperates and is viciously beaten for her cooperation.

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Dr. X
    @Polistra


    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that’s another matter.
     
    Correct. In a "duty to retreat jurisdiction," if you are in fear of your life and unable to retreat safely, you may use deadly force. (This can be very subjective, and you have to prove it to a jury, so for practical purposes you are going to go on trial).

    But in New York, for instance, you cannot even brandish a gun at a criminal to try to prevent him from stealing the property (which is apparently what happened in the case being discussed here, because the black dude did successfully steal the truck even though the driver pulled the gun).

    You can only present the weapon when your life itself is in danger and you are legally able to use it.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    , @jsm
    @Polistra

    They go stealing my car, I have to assume they're brazen enough to try to run me over with it.

    Yeah, I'm gonna shoot, cuz I'm in reasonable fear for my life.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @psbindy, @znon

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Polistra


    Devil’s advocate, is property worth taking someone’s life?
     
    If it’s MY property? You betcha!

    Replies: @Polistra

    , @Nico
    @Polistra


    Devil’s advocate, is property worth taking someone’s life?
     
    My property vs the other person’s life? Absolutely yes.

    Horse thievery used to be a capital crime because without his horse a peasant may very well die. Even nowadays a car or a bike may be a critical tool for making an honest living.

    Also, the thief obviously doesn’t value his own life not to go around provoking people. Why should we take up the relay?
    , @Gerard Frederick
    @Polistra

    Nonsense. Someone steals my vehicle or anything else I bought and paid for,. he deserves to be put down. The principle of self defence should extend to property.

  24. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Repo man’s always intense. I blame society.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Gunnar von Cowtown

    Can you imagine what Harry Dean Stanton would say about this? “These mopes don’t know anything about ‘The Code.’”

  25. Stealing a vehicle is only a misdemeanor???

  26. @additionalMike
    "misdemeanor theft?"

    That must be some beat-up, old, tow truck.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hibernian

    “misdemeanor theft?”

    That must be some beat-up, old, tow truck.

    But there are those who love it.

    • LOL: SOL
  27. @Blue Collar Mike
    While ridiculous and in keeping with the times we live in that the young black thug himself called 911 on the people he himself was victimizing, pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious. The article states the theif didn't have a weapon and doesn't mention any other kind of violent behavior, so pointing a (I'm going to guess loaded) gun at this idiot while he's scrambling to get away, while understandable emotionally, is not exactly the most proportional response. For those who might balk at this, would it be acceptable to shoot him while he's driving away? (I'm sure some exasperated Unz readers would say yes ha ha)

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso, @Reg Cæsar, @North Detroit, @Ben tillman, @bomag

    It could be seen as a preemptive display of weapon meant to prevent a departing attack by the perp. The victim would not have known if Scott might be armed with an as yet unused gun, or if he would behave with the unpredictable and arbitrary violence that a portion of the vibrant community sometimes do.

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Lockean Proviso

    Good point.

  28. No matter what good is a done, a brainless judge is there to restore chaos.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: John Sullivan, the left-wing activist who was agitating Trump supporters at the Capitol mess, has been released without bail.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-utah-conditional-release-john-sullivan-bail

    Replies: @Rob McX

  29. @Polistra
    @Dr. X

    Devil's advocate, is property worth taking someone's life? You don't know much about the person whose life you're taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn't very good, but I wouldn't be happy taking someone's life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that's another matter.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dr. X, @jsm, @Stan d Mute, @Nico, @Gerard Frederick

    So what quip do you have ready to go when the guy who violated the boundary of your house and violated your property and violated your dignity SHOCKINGLY has no issue with killing or raping you? This is actually pretty normal, there’s William Petit, excuse me, Dr William Petit, and that video of the woman who cooperates and is viciously beaten for her cooperation.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @J.Ross

    It's a dilemma, of course, upon which they capitalize. A partial answer is to fortify not only your house and place of business but your entire life. As ever, South Africa leads the way. Our bright, shining future. It'll be here before you know it.

    Patriot types always said "I'd rather be judged by ten than carried by six" but that was before the laws got bent even further in favor of criminals, and it was especially before minds got bent by the mass media such that any white man in the dock is presumed guilty by judge and jury alike.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Pericles

  30. @mmack
    Shows you how far the Chicago I was born and raised near has fallen.

    In the old days, the CPD would’ve found Mr. Scott with a revolver’s worth of bullet holes in him, bleeding or bled out behind the wheel of the stolen truck.

    And how damned stupid do you have to be to steal a commercial vehicle? Besides the fact it’ll have the company name on it and a vehicle number, it’ll have some sort of monitoring on it. The company wants to know if Joe the truck driver has parked his truck and is pounding beers 🍺 at some dive bar.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    And how damned stupid do you have to be to steal a commercial vehicle?

    A UPS truck was once left running in Lansing while the driver delivered a package. Some fat, naked black women drove off with it.


    A Seasoning Hell: The great Lansing mustard caper

    That Indianapolis Star cartoon depicts two of them as blond. The other must be Doshaline.

    Here are the real things. Okay, fat by 1980 standards, not today’s.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hey! Stay in your lane cheesehead. I drone interminably about Detriot, but only because the insanity of the HBD Mitten in such locales as Ingham and Genesee counties are frankly unbelievable as the links you shared prove. Florida Man has absolutely nothing on Mitten negro.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @mmack
    @Reg Cæsar

    From the mists of memory of my time in college I have a story about how stupid it is to steal a commercial vehicle:

    Way back when a student stole a pizza delivery truck from in front of the student dorms when it was making a delivery. This was a truck, a pickup with a “Hot Box” on it for keeping pizza hot for delivery. And the truck is festooned with the pizza restaurant name, address, phone number, and logo.

    Brainiac thief decides to drive purloined pizza truck to a bar on the outskirts of town. Town cops take theft report and begin searching for the truck and find it parked in the bar parking lot. Cops walk in and brainiac tries to make a run for it. Cops catch him, cuff him, and stuff him in their squad car. Car theft and DUI charges are filed based on his BAL.

    Lessons learned?
    - Don’t steal big things like cars.
    - If you must steal a car or truck, go for dead common to blend in. A pizza truck makes a bad getaway car.
    - If you do steal a car, HIDE IT!
    - Don’t run from the cops, you’ll get an ass whuppin’

  31. @Pavlika Morozova
    OT:

    Why still no mention here of Amerika's own Pavlik Morozov, Helena Duke, who's earned over $60,00o for family- and class-betrayal?

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-helena-duke-pay-for-college

    Is there a more appropriately eponymous moniker for a Masshole fink who profits off her own kin for misdemeanor disorder than "Duke"?

    Enjoy your new snitch-ocracy Kultur, Amerika!

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Chris Mallory, @North Detroit, @vinteuil, @Escher

    It seems that Helena’s Mother and Aunt got into a scuffle with an undercover officer. I’m sure the cop immediately identified her as such.

  32. @Abolish_public_education
    School bullying should land the bully in juvenile hall. Except in the case of capital bullying where strong evidence of guilt exists, the bully should be let out on reasonable bail (though also barred from school attendance).

    There is a high, positive correlation between one’s total years of K-12 public education and the length of time one will spend in state prison.

    Replies: @Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY)

    “There is a high, positive correlation between one’s total years of K-12 public education and the length of time one will spend in state prison.”

    Citation, please.

  33. @additionalMike
    "misdemeanor theft?"

    That must be some beat-up, old, tow truck.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Hibernian

    Charging what would normally be grand theft auto as a misdemeanor may be part of the DA Kim Foxx’s reforms, and/or Ms. Lightfoot’s in CPD.

  34. @Dan Hayes
    Why wasn’t the tow truck owner who pulled the gun not arrested on some trumped up charges? He certainly would have been in NYC!

    Replies: @Hibernian

    We’ll be catching up to you guys soon!

  35. @Polistra
    @notsaying


    does Biden want millions at our borders?
     
    He and all Dems want millions crossing our borders. Which almost gives me pause: they've just about sewn up the demographics thing, along with felon voting, two new states, expanding the supreme court, eliminating the filibuster, abolishing the electoral college, etc. Why keep the pedal to the metal?

    Because it's what they do, that's why.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    two new states

    AOC stands in the way of one of them. Why aren’t Republicans joining her? Where is the bill today?

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8113?s=1&r=3

    As for DC, any move toward statehood must be suspended until the genocidal names of Washington and Columbia are removed. We can start painting them over right away.

    WaPo: A guide to every person whose name could be removed from D.C. buildings or sites, from the famous to the forgotten

    felon voting

    We should be demanding the harmonization of voter registration and firearm licensing. To buy a gun, you need only show your voter ID. Let the registrars mull over whether their constituents can be trusted with both!

    abolishing the electoral college

    Even if they get 67 senators, do you really think fewer than 13 states will reject it? We should play offense, and go after the 23rd Amendment. Why should New Liberia have three electors? Especially with a white majority now?

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar


    AOC stands in the way of one of them. Why aren’t Republicans joining her?
     
    After DC and PR, there's Guam and USVI. All reliably Democrat of course.
    Pedal to the metal.

    We should play offense, and go after the 23rd Amendment.
     
    I'll give them 23 if we can take back 14, among others.

    But yes: we should play offense for once.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  36. @Polistra
    @Dr. X

    Devil's advocate, is property worth taking someone's life? You don't know much about the person whose life you're taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn't very good, but I wouldn't be happy taking someone's life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that's another matter.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dr. X, @jsm, @Stan d Mute, @Nico, @Gerard Frederick

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that’s another matter.

    Correct. In a “duty to retreat jurisdiction,” if you are in fear of your life and unable to retreat safely, you may use deadly force. (This can be very subjective, and you have to prove it to a jury, so for practical purposes you are going to go on trial).

    But in New York, for instance, you cannot even brandish a gun at a criminal to try to prevent him from stealing the property (which is apparently what happened in the case being discussed here, because the black dude did successfully steal the truck even though the driver pulled the gun).

    You can only present the weapon when your life itself is in danger and you are legally able to use it.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Dr. X

    You should only brandish a weapon if you intend to use it.

    At least we can laugh at stories like Scott’s ... the sadder 911 calls are things like this.

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/florida-woman-calls-911-after-mcdonalds-runs-out-of-mcnuggets

    Replies: @black sea, @Stan d Mute, @psbindy

  37. Let a thousand flowers bloom! Let every city taste the full, rich fruit of forced integration and assimilation.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @RichardTaylor

    I hope you like skunk cabbage.

  38. @Blue Collar Mike
    While ridiculous and in keeping with the times we live in that the young black thug himself called 911 on the people he himself was victimizing, pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious. The article states the theif didn't have a weapon and doesn't mention any other kind of violent behavior, so pointing a (I'm going to guess loaded) gun at this idiot while he's scrambling to get away, while understandable emotionally, is not exactly the most proportional response. For those who might balk at this, would it be acceptable to shoot him while he's driving away? (I'm sure some exasperated Unz readers would say yes ha ha)

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso, @Reg Cæsar, @North Detroit, @Ben tillman, @bomag

    …pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious.

    A stolen truck is a pretty deadly weapon. Especially if speeding. Through a stickball game. Or, more likely today, fútbol callejero.

    It’s his civic duty to stop the thief!

    Oh, and as an addendum to the support for the AOC bill in my previous comment, it is our civic duty to stop the thieves Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi. Ayanna Pressley is on board; urge your GOP Congresscreature to join them!

    Rep. Pressley Signs On to Puerto Rico Self-Determination Act of 2020

    • Replies: @riches
    @Reg Cæsar

    Stickball? Fútbol?

    As our new leader says, "c'mon, man.''
    Our astute Reg should know Chicago's Grand Crossing "street arabs" are as likely to be in the public way engaged in sudoku tournaments. (Grand Crossing is spitting distance from the notorious Englewood.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  39. @Gary in Gramercy
    Best throwaway line: "Scott, 22, has no criminal background."

    A few possibilities: Scott, at the fairly advanced age of 22, had never before been arrested because, as a criminal mastermind, he had previously managed to cover his tracks in all his criminal endeavors.

    Or: Mayor Groot's seeming indifference to crime has encouraged heretofore law-abiding citizens -- many of whom may lack either the necessary cleverness, ruthlessness or both for a successful criminal career -- to take up crime as a "side job," much as Chicago police officers frequently have "side jobs" as bouncers, bartenders or porch deck repairmen.

    Mr. Scott's inexperience in stealing the flatbed tow truck in question is apparent from (1) his failure to bring a gun with him, an egregious breach of criminal etiquette in Chicago, coupled with (2) his reaction when the truck's owner produced his own gun. If Mr. Scott had been a professional criminal, and not a dilettante, he would have refrained from calling the authorities, keeping in mind the First Commandment of the Streets: "Snitches Get Stitches."

    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because "he did not use a weapon during this matter." Mr. Scott's amateur status remains intact.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Bragadocious, @Jim Don Bob, @Johann Ricke, @Ragno

    No criminal background can also mean arrests have been sealed by a judge, because of disparate impact and inequality and structural racism. The slate is simply wiped clean. This is why Bronx hospital shooter “Dr” Bello got his job — previous arrests (and one conviction) had been sealed and his employer had no idea.

  40. @Bill P
    That happened in my neighborhood just a few weeks ago. Some tweaker was messing with a neighbor's back porch door, unaware he was on camera. The neighbor came out with a gun and the tweaker started screaming "there's a guy with a gun and he's going to shoot me FOR NO REASON!!! Somebody call the police!"

    Woke me up some time around 2am, and I sat there highly annoyed wondering what the hell was going on. The next day another neighbor told me the story, which ended up being kind of funny when I thought about it. I mean, of all the reactions, the thief screams for the cops? He also left his cell phone behind, but the cops weren't interested. Neighbor #2 showed me his texts, and I ended up feeling sorry for his dad, apparently a Lummi Indian, who was obviously worried about him.

    I don't know whether the lockdown makes it more noticeable or what, but I'm seeing tweakers and drug dealing all over the place lately. Seems every time I take my 6yo to the park I see someone making a deal. Reminds me of the 80s.

    Replies: @Polistra, @3g4me

    Seems every time I take my 6yo to the park I see someone making a deal. Reminds me of the 80s.

    It’s beginning to feel like a return to the high-crime days of yore where I am too. Regularly menaced and harassed by the usual suspects in public places. Thought that was history, but it turns out history is repeating.

    I’ve a troubling feeling that this time may be worse. Because now the ‘entitled ones’ have the full force of every single institution of our society behind them, and more: crime itself is now seen as one of their many entitlements, and we’re not even permitted to talk about it. This forum’s days may be numbered.

  41. OT: Amnesty coming like a freight train in Biden’s first 100 days. Full pathway to citizenship for all “11 million” (or 22 million, or 44 million) illegals.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/15/biden-immigration-plans-459766

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Thomas

    Yale University study wasn’t able to get a precise number because of the inherent nature of the crime, but they had a most likely number of 22 million and perhaps as high as 35 million.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates%3Famp

  42. Elliott Scott is black. Anybody betting against the driver being black as well?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Change that Matters


    Elliott Scott is black. Anybody betting against the driver being black as well?
     
    No, because otherwise the headline would be "MAGA white supremacist Nazi skinhead threatens aspiring teen rapper with a full auto AR-15".
  43. That’s almost as good as Boy George calling the cops to report his male hustler stole his ounce of cocaine.

  44. @Reg Cæsar
    @Polistra


    two new states
     
    AOC stands in the way of one of them. Why aren't Republicans joining her? Where is the bill today?

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8113?s=1&r=3

    As for DC, any move toward statehood must be suspended until the genocidal names of Washington and Columbia are removed. We can start painting them over right away.

    WaPo: A guide to every person whose name could be removed from D.C. buildings or sites, from the famous to the forgotten


    felon voting
     
    We should be demanding the harmonization of voter registration and firearm licensing. To buy a gun, you need only show your voter ID. Let the registrars mull over whether their constituents can be trusted with both!

    abolishing the electoral college
     
    Even if they get 67 senators, do you really think fewer than 13 states will reject it? We should play offense, and go after the 23rd Amendment. Why should New Liberia have three electors? Especially with a white majority now?

    Replies: @Polistra

    AOC stands in the way of one of them. Why aren’t Republicans joining her?

    After DC and PR, there’s Guam and USVI. All reliably Democrat of course.
    Pedal to the metal.

    We should play offense, and go after the 23rd Amendment.

    I’ll give them 23 if we can take back 14, among others.

    But yes: we should play offense for once.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Polistra


    After DC and PR, there’s Guam and USVI. All reliably Democrat of course.
    Pedal to the metal.
     
    Remember, though, that even driving is on the left in the Virgins:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgVq9qtkv6Q&t=1m


    And life can imitate a video game at times:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvW76N5XiEI

    Replies: @Polistra

  45. Dems steal election: Scott steals truck.
    Trump supporters rally in DC to protest: Truck owner pulls gun.
    Dems get all girlishly hysterical about protest: Scott calls 911.

    It’s not a good sign that our criminal class is so sensitive and entitled.

  46. To be fair, it doesn’t sound like anyone bought what this guy was selling.

  47. That judge really sounds like a son of a Beach.

  48. Anonymous[806] • Disclaimer says:

    This reminds me of a Baltimore police log review by the late Ron Smith of WBAL in the late 90’s:

    An owner of a bicycle reported it having been stolen off his porch on North Carey Street. The owner said he acquired the bicycle earlier in the week when he found it in a nearby park.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  49. @Pavlika Morozova
    OT:

    Why still no mention here of Amerika's own Pavlik Morozov, Helena Duke, who's earned over $60,00o for family- and class-betrayal?

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-helena-duke-pay-for-college

    Is there a more appropriately eponymous moniker for a Masshole fink who profits off her own kin for misdemeanor disorder than "Duke"?

    Enjoy your new snitch-ocracy Kultur, Amerika!

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Chris Mallory, @North Detroit, @vinteuil, @Escher

    She does want to go into the Peace Corp. Maybe a crocodile or cannibal will eat her.

  50. @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar


    AOC stands in the way of one of them. Why aren’t Republicans joining her?
     
    After DC and PR, there's Guam and USVI. All reliably Democrat of course.
    Pedal to the metal.

    We should play offense, and go after the 23rd Amendment.
     
    I'll give them 23 if we can take back 14, among others.

    But yes: we should play offense for once.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    After DC and PR, there’s Guam and USVI. All reliably Democrat of course.
    Pedal to the metal.

    Remember, though, that even driving is on the left in the Virgins:

    And life can imitate a video game at times:

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar


    life can imitate a video game at times
     
    Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. Definitely a Democrat jurisdiction.
  51. OT:

    Will it be possible to ever have normal street markings there again?

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Altai



    Will it be possible to ever have normal street markings there again?
     
    Allegory for the Lost United States. It won't be possible to have much of anything nice anymore, unless perhaps you're in a 'protected class' and/or a third-world migrant in which case even a trashed-out USA will be much better than wherever you came from.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai

    This is highly suspicious. They don't want to remind Americans just what they voted for.

    We should be shoving Critical Race Theory down their throats. Put those words back! Cross out "Washington" everywhere. Cover the monuments to slaveholders.

    They cannot be allowed to pretend normality.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Altai

    Foreigners have to be laughing at this kind of childishness. It's like a school spirit slogan written on a high school sidewalk before the big game.

  52. OOT:

    Rejection letter ESDC (a department of the Canadian govt) sent to Black organizations ‘completely unacceptable’: Hussen <- Headline from https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rejection-letter-esdc-sent-to-black-organizations-completely-unacceptable-hussen-1.5268707

    The letter in question?

    "Velma Morgan, the chair of Operation Black Vote, said her group received an email from the department on Tuesday saying their application did not show "the organization is led and governed by people who self-identify as Black." "

    So that's unacceptable because it's discriminating against organizations in favour of blacks, right?

    No, somehow it's unacceptable because it's discriminating against black people.

    AND Hussen is black! The organization he is in charge of sent that letter.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Bobboccio

    There's a certain kind of people who are capable of having a circular firing squad all by themselves.

  53. @Reg Cæsar
    @Polistra


    After DC and PR, there’s Guam and USVI. All reliably Democrat of course.
    Pedal to the metal.
     
    Remember, though, that even driving is on the left in the Virgins:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgVq9qtkv6Q&t=1m


    And life can imitate a video game at times:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvW76N5XiEI

    Replies: @Polistra

    life can imitate a video game at times

    Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight. Definitely a Democrat jurisdiction.

  54. @Altai
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1350121911448121348

    Will it be possible to ever have normal street markings there again?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia

    Will it be possible to ever have normal street markings there again?

    Allegory for the Lost United States. It won’t be possible to have much of anything nice anymore, unless perhaps you’re in a ‘protected class’ and/or a third-world migrant in which case even a trashed-out USA will be much better than wherever you came from.

  55. @Altai
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1350121911448121348

    Will it be possible to ever have normal street markings there again?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia

    This is highly suspicious. They don’t want to remind Americans just what they voted for.

    We should be shoving Critical Race Theory down their throats. Put those words back! Cross out “Washington” everywhere. Cover the monuments to slaveholders.

    They cannot be allowed to pretend normality.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Reg Cæsar

    Reg, it looks to me like they're spiffing up the painted BLM message, not erasing it.

  56. @J.Ross
    @Polistra

    So what quip do you have ready to go when the guy who violated the boundary of your house and violated your property and violated your dignity SHOCKINGLY has no issue with killing or raping you? This is actually pretty normal, there's William Petit, excuse me, Dr William Petit, and that video of the woman who cooperates and is viciously beaten for her cooperation.

    Replies: @Polistra

    It’s a dilemma, of course, upon which they capitalize. A partial answer is to fortify not only your house and place of business but your entire life. As ever, South Africa leads the way. Our bright, shining future. It’ll be here before you know it.

    Patriot types always said “I’d rather be judged by ten than carried by six” but that was before the laws got bent even further in favor of criminals, and it was especially before minds got bent by the mass media such that any white man in the dock is presumed guilty by judge and jury alike.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Polistra

    If you're alive in prison you're alive. The most likely response will be vigilantism, a collapse of police cooperation.

    , @Pericles
    @Polistra


    It’s a dilemma, of course, upon which they capitalize. A partial answer is to fortify not only your house and place of business but your entire life. As ever, South Africa leads the way.

     

    Consider instead white nationalism.
  57. @Polistra
    @Dr. X

    Devil's advocate, is property worth taking someone's life? You don't know much about the person whose life you're taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn't very good, but I wouldn't be happy taking someone's life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that's another matter.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dr. X, @jsm, @Stan d Mute, @Nico, @Gerard Frederick

    They go stealing my car, I have to assume they’re brazen enough to try to run me over with it.

    Yeah, I’m gonna shoot, cuz I’m in reasonable fear for my life.

    • Disagree: Charon, notsaying
    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @jsm

    You should shoot because it’s the right thing to do.

    , @psbindy
    @jsm

    jsm, the jury might not find that pursuasive. Wanna take that chance? Also your comment here, today, will be presented to the jury by the prosecutor. Have you made other injudicious posts over the years? Expect to see them again.

    , @znon
    @jsm

    If God forbid it ever goes that far south remember the video "Don't talk to the Police" and get a lawyer. I believe you have to explain in clear, undeviating and concise terms that you were absolutely sure that the perp was going to kill you or your loved ones THEN AND THERE. Waiting to talk to a lawyer before saying anything is the only safe way.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  58. @Reg Cæsar
    @Altai

    This is highly suspicious. They don't want to remind Americans just what they voted for.

    We should be shoving Critical Race Theory down their throats. Put those words back! Cross out "Washington" everywhere. Cover the monuments to slaveholders.

    They cannot be allowed to pretend normality.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Reg, it looks to me like they’re spiffing up the painted BLM message, not erasing it.

  59. @Bobboccio
    OOT:

    Rejection letter ESDC (a department of the Canadian govt) sent to Black organizations 'completely unacceptable': Hussen <- Headline from https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/rejection-letter-esdc-sent-to-black-organizations-completely-unacceptable-hussen-1.5268707

    The letter in question?

    "Velma Morgan, the chair of Operation Black Vote, said her group received an email from the department on Tuesday saying their application did not show "the organization is led and governed by people who self-identify as Black." "

    So that's unacceptable because it's discriminating against organizations in favour of blacks, right?

    No, somehow it's unacceptable because it's discriminating against black people.

    AND Hussen is black! The organization he is in charge of sent that letter.

    Replies: @Polistra

    There’s a certain kind of people who are capable of having a circular firing squad all by themselves.

  60. I’ve pointed out (too many times) the wide variation in the quality of the criminal around the country. This boy wouldn’t have been alive to behave so shamefully in Detriot. He’d have been “turned out” and soon ganked with his pockets turned out.

    It’s shameful how far behind us the rest of the country is.

  61. @Polistra
    @Dr. X

    Devil's advocate, is property worth taking someone's life? You don't know much about the person whose life you're taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn't very good, but I wouldn't be happy taking someone's life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that's another matter.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dr. X, @jsm, @Stan d Mute, @Nico, @Gerard Frederick

    Devil’s advocate, is property worth taking someone’s life?

    If it’s MY property? You betcha!

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not. If they steal your car? Yes? Then where exactly between your car and your napkin and your tip do you draw the line? Aren't cars readily replaceable? Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds? That's just crazy.

    Even if you happen to be possessed of unerring judgement, do you think everyone else shares this rare attribute? If not, how will you determine who is and who isn't permitted to use deadly force to protect their stuff?

    What I'm trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation. Which I'm more than happy to stipulate is anything but ideal.

    Replies: @Nico, @anon, @Pericles, @White Men Can’t Jump

  62. @Reg Cæsar
    @mmack


    And how damned stupid do you have to be to steal a commercial vehicle?
     
    A UPS truck was once left running in Lansing while the driver delivered a package. Some fat, naked black women drove off with it.



    A Seasoning Hell: The great Lansing mustard caper


    That Indianapolis Star cartoon depicts two of them as blond. The other must be Doshaline.


    Here are the real things. Okay, fat by 1980 standards, not today's.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @mmack

    Hey! Stay in your lane cheesehead. I drone interminably about Detriot, but only because the insanity of the HBD Mitten in such locales as Ingham and Genesee counties are frankly unbelievable as the links you shared prove. Florida Man has absolutely nothing on Mitten negro.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute

    My dad was a ninth-generation Michiganian, descended from among others some of the first Frogs in Detroit. They didn't drive Cadillacs, they didn't build Cadillacs, they knew the Cadillacs.

    https://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/cropped_image/primary/13E34FB6-AC86-90C3-A0E4B087C15B50FD.jpg?width=600&quality=90&mode=crop

    https://www.americanheraldry.org/uploads/roll/cadillac.gif

    Replies: @Polistra, @Stan d Mute

  63. This is obviously white privilege. Elliott Scott merely wanted to do a little undocumented driving, and the sytemically white tow truck driver violently alluded to centuries of slavey and violence against blacks. Plus, Emmett Till.

  64. @Stan d Mute
    @Polistra


    Devil’s advocate, is property worth taking someone’s life?
     
    If it’s MY property? You betcha!

    Replies: @Polistra

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not. If they steal your car? Yes? Then where exactly between your car and your napkin and your tip do you draw the line? Aren’t cars readily replaceable? Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds? That’s just crazy.

    Even if you happen to be possessed of unerring judgement, do you think everyone else shares this rare attribute? If not, how will you determine who is and who isn’t permitted to use deadly force to protect their stuff?

    What I’m trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation. Which I’m more than happy to stipulate is anything but ideal.

    • Agree: notsaying, Charon
    • Replies: @Nico
    @Polistra


    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not.
     
    In a tight-knit high-trust society petty thievery in broad daylight pretty much earmarks you as a candidate for the pillory. Maybe it’s only out in the drunken virility of the Wild West that we might imagine getting shot over such a matter but in a more settled society we could expect to see bystanders jump up and tackle the boob.
    , @anon
    @Polistra



    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion?
     
    You should ask your wife's son if it's ok for you to post on the internet.
     
    , @Pericles
    @Polistra


    What I’m trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation.

     

    Look, you already live in an anarcho-tyranny. Anarchy is a step up.
    , @White Men Can’t Jump
    @Polistra

    This is really pathetic sophistry on your part. The discussion was about the attempted GTA of a tow truck, yet you bring in napkins and $5 tips. You sound like a tenured, empty professor.

    “Aren’t cars readily replaceable?”

    No, they’re not. Especially not a tow truck. Letting a mope steal his truck could well have cost the vic his job.

    “Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds?”

    Absolutely. The space of a few seconds could well be the difference between the vic’s life and death.

    “That’s just crazy.”

    No, that’s just sane and righteous.

    Your problem is that you embrace evil, in the form of your membership in the Brotherhood in Support of Colored Criminals. You are loyal to the perp, because he’s a black criminal, and hostile to the White vic, because he’s a White vic. If the black perp had slaughtered the White vic, you’d have all sorts of excuses ready.

    By the way, say her name! Channon Christian. Say his name! Christopher Newsom.

    Replies: @Polistra

  65. @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    Hey! Stay in your lane cheesehead. I drone interminably about Detriot, but only because the insanity of the HBD Mitten in such locales as Ingham and Genesee counties are frankly unbelievable as the links you shared prove. Florida Man has absolutely nothing on Mitten negro.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    My dad was a ninth-generation Michiganian, descended from among others some of the first Frogs in Detroit. They didn’t drive Cadillacs, they didn’t build Cadillacs, they knew the Cadillacs.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Reg Cæsar


    https://i.ibb.co/XxJmpkR/13-E34-FB6-AC86-90-C3-A0-E4-B087-C15-B50-FD.jpg
     
    https://i.ibb.co/bs0NpXb/1293777-eric-stoltz-mask.jpg
    , @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    You fur trapping frog types cut and run. My hardy English forebears got their 1835 Land Patents in the Territory and never budged. Your only positive legacy here is a town named Great White (in French)..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  66. @Polistra
    @J.Ross

    It's a dilemma, of course, upon which they capitalize. A partial answer is to fortify not only your house and place of business but your entire life. As ever, South Africa leads the way. Our bright, shining future. It'll be here before you know it.

    Patriot types always said "I'd rather be judged by ten than carried by six" but that was before the laws got bent even further in favor of criminals, and it was especially before minds got bent by the mass media such that any white man in the dock is presumed guilty by judge and jury alike.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Pericles

    If you’re alive in prison you’re alive. The most likely response will be vigilantism, a collapse of police cooperation.

  67. @Polistra
    @Dr. X

    Devil's advocate, is property worth taking someone's life? You don't know much about the person whose life you're taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn't very good, but I wouldn't be happy taking someone's life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that's another matter.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dr. X, @jsm, @Stan d Mute, @Nico, @Gerard Frederick

    Devil’s advocate, is property worth taking someone’s life?

    My property vs the other person’s life? Absolutely yes.

    Horse thievery used to be a capital crime because without his horse a peasant may very well die. Even nowadays a car or a bike may be a critical tool for making an honest living.

    Also, the thief obviously doesn’t value his own life not to go around provoking people. Why should we take up the relay?

  68. @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not. If they steal your car? Yes? Then where exactly between your car and your napkin and your tip do you draw the line? Aren't cars readily replaceable? Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds? That's just crazy.

    Even if you happen to be possessed of unerring judgement, do you think everyone else shares this rare attribute? If not, how will you determine who is and who isn't permitted to use deadly force to protect their stuff?

    What I'm trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation. Which I'm more than happy to stipulate is anything but ideal.

    Replies: @Nico, @anon, @Pericles, @White Men Can’t Jump

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not.

    In a tight-knit high-trust society petty thievery in broad daylight pretty much earmarks you as a candidate for the pillory. Maybe it’s only out in the drunken virility of the Wild West that we might imagine getting shot over such a matter but in a more settled society we could expect to see bystanders jump up and tackle the boob.

  69. @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not. If they steal your car? Yes? Then where exactly between your car and your napkin and your tip do you draw the line? Aren't cars readily replaceable? Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds? That's just crazy.

    Even if you happen to be possessed of unerring judgement, do you think everyone else shares this rare attribute? If not, how will you determine who is and who isn't permitted to use deadly force to protect their stuff?

    What I'm trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation. Which I'm more than happy to stipulate is anything but ideal.

    Replies: @Nico, @anon, @Pericles, @White Men Can’t Jump

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion?

    You should ask your wife’s son if it’s ok for you to post on the internet.

  70. Anonymous[302] • Disclaimer says:

    Not just a dirty little thief, but a contemptible cringing coward to boot.

    Just think about it, the worst character combination possible in a man.

    Despite all the crap one reads, black men aren’t particularly ‘manly’ when ‘manliness’ actually means something. They have always struck me as a weird combination of bully – when they have power – and crybaby, when they don’t.

    • Agree: Ben tillman
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Anonymous

    Similar to the marines I have known...

  71. Please tell me forced sterilization was part of the sentence.

  72. @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute

    My dad was a ninth-generation Michiganian, descended from among others some of the first Frogs in Detroit. They didn't drive Cadillacs, they didn't build Cadillacs, they knew the Cadillacs.

    https://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/cropped_image/primary/13E34FB6-AC86-90C3-A0E4B087C15B50FD.jpg?width=600&quality=90&mode=crop

    https://www.americanheraldry.org/uploads/roll/cadillac.gif

    Replies: @Polistra, @Stan d Mute

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
  73. @RichardTaylor
    Let a thousand flowers bloom! Let every city taste the full, rich fruit of forced integration and assimilation.

    Replies: @tyrone

    I hope you like skunk cabbage.

  74. @Polistra
    @J.Ross

    It's a dilemma, of course, upon which they capitalize. A partial answer is to fortify not only your house and place of business but your entire life. As ever, South Africa leads the way. Our bright, shining future. It'll be here before you know it.

    Patriot types always said "I'd rather be judged by ten than carried by six" but that was before the laws got bent even further in favor of criminals, and it was especially before minds got bent by the mass media such that any white man in the dock is presumed guilty by judge and jury alike.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Pericles

    It’s a dilemma, of course, upon which they capitalize. A partial answer is to fortify not only your house and place of business but your entire life. As ever, South Africa leads the way.

    Consider instead white nationalism.

  75. @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not. If they steal your car? Yes? Then where exactly between your car and your napkin and your tip do you draw the line? Aren't cars readily replaceable? Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds? That's just crazy.

    Even if you happen to be possessed of unerring judgement, do you think everyone else shares this rare attribute? If not, how will you determine who is and who isn't permitted to use deadly force to protect their stuff?

    What I'm trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation. Which I'm more than happy to stipulate is anything but ideal.

    Replies: @Nico, @anon, @Pericles, @White Men Can’t Jump

    What I’m trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation.

    Look, you already live in an anarcho-tyranny. Anarchy is a step up.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  76. @Anonymous
    Not just a dirty little thief, but a contemptible cringing coward to boot.

    Just think about it, the worst character combination possible in a man.

    Despite all the crap one reads, black men aren't particularly 'manly' when 'manliness' actually means something. They have always struck me as a weird combination of bully - when they have power - and crybaby, when they don't.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Similar to the marines I have known…

    • LOL: bomag
  77. @Dr. X
    @Polistra


    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that’s another matter.
     
    Correct. In a "duty to retreat jurisdiction," if you are in fear of your life and unable to retreat safely, you may use deadly force. (This can be very subjective, and you have to prove it to a jury, so for practical purposes you are going to go on trial).

    But in New York, for instance, you cannot even brandish a gun at a criminal to try to prevent him from stealing the property (which is apparently what happened in the case being discussed here, because the black dude did successfully steal the truck even though the driver pulled the gun).

    You can only present the weapon when your life itself is in danger and you are legally able to use it.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    You should only brandish a weapon if you intend to use it.

    At least we can laugh at stories like Scott’s … the sadder 911 calls are things like this.

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/florida-woman-calls-911-after-mcdonalds-runs-out-of-mcnuggets

    • Replies: @black sea
    @The Alarmist

    The woman was within her rights to call 911. I think McDonald's blatant attempt to rip her off constitutes an emergency.

    , @Stan d Mute
    @The Alarmist


    You should only brandish a weapon if you intend to use it.
     
    I disagree, but this thread exhausted my disagree tags so I’ll expound.

    If a lowlife is generally menacing me or my family, is it not far preferable that I demonstrate my ability to defend in a clear manner than to allow ambiguity or doubt to encourage the malefactor until I am justified in terminating him?

    An armed society is a civil society, but the thug class knows that 99% of the populace is searching for their lost manhood and definitely not packing a glock. More brandishing would deter the exuberant overconfidence we see as popularized by hip-hop.
    , @psbindy
    @The Alarmist

    I disagree with you Alarmist.

    I agree with Stan d Mute's reply to your post.

    There are many times when displaying (not 'brandishing' with it's negative connotation of getting fancy or waving around the firearm) a firearm changes the entire flow of the interaction from the perp's 'I'm a tough criminal going to do as I wish to you,' to the intended victim's 'I'm a peaceful citizen who can defend myself and you may wish to alter your intentions toward me.'

    There are new accounts each day on pro second amendment sites from citizen's, many from women or disabled, or seniors in which the display of a firearm was all that was needed to cause a malefactor, or several, to reconsider and retreat.

    I do tend to agree with those posters who say a mere incidence of thievery is not justification for taking the thieves' life.

    One must use one's judgement in the circumstance at hand.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  78. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Repo man’s always intense. I blame society.

    Replies: @Gary in Gramercy, @Gunnar von Cowtown

    That’s bullshit. You’re a white suburban punk just like me.

    • Agree: Cauchemar du Singe
  79. @The Alarmist
    @Dr. X

    You should only brandish a weapon if you intend to use it.

    At least we can laugh at stories like Scott’s ... the sadder 911 calls are things like this.

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/florida-woman-calls-911-after-mcdonalds-runs-out-of-mcnuggets

    Replies: @black sea, @Stan d Mute, @psbindy

    The woman was within her rights to call 911. I think McDonald’s blatant attempt to rip her off constitutes an emergency.

    • Agree: Charon
  80. @J.Ross
    No matter what good is a done, a brainless judge is there to restore chaos.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: John Sullivan, the left-wing activist who was agitating Trump supporters at the Capitol mess, has been released without bail.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-utah-conditional-release-john-sullivan-bail

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @J.Ross

    Meanwhile, prosecutors are trying to change the terms of Kyle Rittenhouse's $2m bond agreement based on the allegation that he "flashed white power signs" in a bar some time before the shooting.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  81. @Pavlika Morozova
    OT:

    Why still no mention here of Amerika's own Pavlik Morozov, Helena Duke, who's earned over $60,00o for family- and class-betrayal?

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-helena-duke-pay-for-college

    Is there a more appropriately eponymous moniker for a Masshole fink who profits off her own kin for misdemeanor disorder than "Duke"?

    Enjoy your new snitch-ocracy Kultur, Amerika!

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Chris Mallory, @North Detroit, @vinteuil, @Escher

    Wonder of wonders. She wants to be a lawyer.

    • Agree: bomag
  82. @Reg Cæsar
    @mmack


    And how damned stupid do you have to be to steal a commercial vehicle?
     
    A UPS truck was once left running in Lansing while the driver delivered a package. Some fat, naked black women drove off with it.



    A Seasoning Hell: The great Lansing mustard caper


    That Indianapolis Star cartoon depicts two of them as blond. The other must be Doshaline.


    Here are the real things. Okay, fat by 1980 standards, not today's.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @mmack

    From the mists of memory of my time in college I have a story about how stupid it is to steal a commercial vehicle:

    Way back when a student stole a pizza delivery truck from in front of the student dorms when it was making a delivery. This was a truck, a pickup with a “Hot Box” on it for keeping pizza hot for delivery. And the truck is festooned with the pizza restaurant name, address, phone number, and logo.

    Brainiac thief decides to drive purloined pizza truck to a bar on the outskirts of town. Town cops take theft report and begin searching for the truck and find it parked in the bar parking lot. Cops walk in and brainiac tries to make a run for it. Cops catch him, cuff him, and stuff him in their squad car. Car theft and DUI charges are filed based on his BAL.

    Lessons learned?
    – Don’t steal big things like cars.
    – If you must steal a car or truck, go for dead common to blend in. A pizza truck makes a bad getaway car.
    – If you do steal a car, HIDE IT!
    – Don’t run from the cops, you’ll get an ass whuppin’

  83. @Blue Collar Mike
    While ridiculous and in keeping with the times we live in that the young black thug himself called 911 on the people he himself was victimizing, pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious. The article states the theif didn't have a weapon and doesn't mention any other kind of violent behavior, so pointing a (I'm going to guess loaded) gun at this idiot while he's scrambling to get away, while understandable emotionally, is not exactly the most proportional response. For those who might balk at this, would it be acceptable to shoot him while he's driving away? (I'm sure some exasperated Unz readers would say yes ha ha)

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso, @Reg Cæsar, @North Detroit, @Ben tillman, @bomag

    Are armoured car guards’ guns unloaded?

    • Replies: @3g4me
    @North Detroit

    @83 North Detroit: Don't know about other states, but here in Texas they are most definitely loaded.

  84. @Gary in Gramercy
    Best throwaway line: "Scott, 22, has no criminal background."

    A few possibilities: Scott, at the fairly advanced age of 22, had never before been arrested because, as a criminal mastermind, he had previously managed to cover his tracks in all his criminal endeavors.

    Or: Mayor Groot's seeming indifference to crime has encouraged heretofore law-abiding citizens -- many of whom may lack either the necessary cleverness, ruthlessness or both for a successful criminal career -- to take up crime as a "side job," much as Chicago police officers frequently have "side jobs" as bouncers, bartenders or porch deck repairmen.

    Mr. Scott's inexperience in stealing the flatbed tow truck in question is apparent from (1) his failure to bring a gun with him, an egregious breach of criminal etiquette in Chicago, coupled with (2) his reaction when the truck's owner produced his own gun. If Mr. Scott had been a professional criminal, and not a dilettante, he would have refrained from calling the authorities, keeping in mind the First Commandment of the Streets: "Snitches Get Stitches."

    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because "he did not use a weapon during this matter." Mr. Scott's amateur status remains intact.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Bragadocious, @Jim Don Bob, @Johann Ricke, @Ragno

    Best throwaway line: “Scott, 22, has no criminal background.”

    Maybe he has a sealed juvenile record, and this is his first criminal foray as an adult. Or, as Occam’s Razor would suggest, he’s just a moron.

  85. @Change that Matters
    Elliott Scott is black. Anybody betting against the driver being black as well?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Elliott Scott is black. Anybody betting against the driver being black as well?

    No, because otherwise the headline would be “MAGA white supremacist Nazi skinhead threatens aspiring teen rapper with a full auto AR-15”.

  86. @Gary in Gramercy
    Best throwaway line: "Scott, 22, has no criminal background."

    A few possibilities: Scott, at the fairly advanced age of 22, had never before been arrested because, as a criminal mastermind, he had previously managed to cover his tracks in all his criminal endeavors.

    Or: Mayor Groot's seeming indifference to crime has encouraged heretofore law-abiding citizens -- many of whom may lack either the necessary cleverness, ruthlessness or both for a successful criminal career -- to take up crime as a "side job," much as Chicago police officers frequently have "side jobs" as bouncers, bartenders or porch deck repairmen.

    Mr. Scott's inexperience in stealing the flatbed tow truck in question is apparent from (1) his failure to bring a gun with him, an egregious breach of criminal etiquette in Chicago, coupled with (2) his reaction when the truck's owner produced his own gun. If Mr. Scott had been a professional criminal, and not a dilettante, he would have refrained from calling the authorities, keeping in mind the First Commandment of the Streets: "Snitches Get Stitches."

    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because "he did not use a weapon during this matter." Mr. Scott's amateur status remains intact.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Bragadocious, @Jim Don Bob, @Johann Ricke, @Ragno

    Best throwaway line: “Scott, 22, has no criminal background.”

    I have a feeling this sentence might, more accurately, include the qualifying phrase “apart from a juvenile record that remains sealed, but only for children of color (i.e. blacks), because systemic racism”.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Johann Ricke

    Generally all juvenile records are sealed. The Left is trying to extend this to adult criminal records, or even expunge them.

  87. @Reg Cæsar
    @Blue Collar Mike


    ...pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious.
     
    A stolen truck is a pretty deadly weapon. Especially if speeding. Through a stickball game. Or, more likely today, fútbol callejero.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/5e/9c/a15e9c1c5aed7389f0ddcce49548f89d.jpg



    It's his civic duty to stop the thief!


    Oh, and as an addendum to the support for the AOC bill in my previous comment, it is our civic duty to stop the thieves Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi. Ayanna Pressley is on board; urge your GOP Congresscreature to join them!

    Rep. Pressley Signs On to Puerto Rico Self-Determination Act of 2020

    Replies: @riches

    Stickball? Fútbol?

    As our new leader says, “c’mon, man.”
    Our astute Reg should know Chicago’s Grand Crossing “street arabs” are as likely to be in the public way engaged in sudoku tournaments. (Grand Crossing is spitting distance from the notorious Englewood.)

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @riches


    ...Chicago’s Grand Crossing “street arabs” are as likely to be in the public way engaged in sudoku tournaments.
     
    Sudoku was invented in nearby Indianapolis:

    Hoosier Puzzlemaster I
    (Kudos to writer YAËL KSANDER for getting "was graduated" correct.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Garns
  88. @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not. If they steal your car? Yes? Then where exactly between your car and your napkin and your tip do you draw the line? Aren't cars readily replaceable? Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds? That's just crazy.

    Even if you happen to be possessed of unerring judgement, do you think everyone else shares this rare attribute? If not, how will you determine who is and who isn't permitted to use deadly force to protect their stuff?

    What I'm trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation. Which I'm more than happy to stipulate is anything but ideal.

    Replies: @Nico, @anon, @Pericles, @White Men Can’t Jump

    This is really pathetic sophistry on your part. The discussion was about the attempted GTA of a tow truck, yet you bring in napkins and $5 tips. You sound like a tenured, empty professor.

    “Aren’t cars readily replaceable?”

    No, they’re not. Especially not a tow truck. Letting a mope steal his truck could well have cost the vic his job.

    “Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds?”

    Absolutely. The space of a few seconds could well be the difference between the vic’s life and death.

    “That’s just crazy.”

    No, that’s just sane and righteous.

    Your problem is that you embrace evil, in the form of your membership in the Brotherhood in Support of Colored Criminals. You are loyal to the perp, because he’s a black criminal, and hostile to the White vic, because he’s a White vic. If the black perp had slaughtered the White vic, you’d have all sorts of excuses ready.

    By the way, say her name! Channon Christian. Say his name! Christopher Newsom.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Thanks: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    Your problem is that you embrace evil
     
    IKR? But aside from that I'm a really nice guy.

    Not a one of you clowns even began to understand the point, much less engage it.

    I'll put it here again, in really simple language.

    Where do you draw the line?
     

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  89. @Lockean Proviso
    @Blue Collar Mike

    It could be seen as a preemptive display of weapon meant to prevent a departing attack by the perp. The victim would not have known if Scott might be armed with an as yet unused gun, or if he would behave with the unpredictable and arbitrary violence that a portion of the vibrant community sometimes do.

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    Good point.

  90. @Blue Collar Mike
    While ridiculous and in keeping with the times we live in that the young black thug himself called 911 on the people he himself was victimizing, pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious. The article states the theif didn't have a weapon and doesn't mention any other kind of violent behavior, so pointing a (I'm going to guess loaded) gun at this idiot while he's scrambling to get away, while understandable emotionally, is not exactly the most proportional response. For those who might balk at this, would it be acceptable to shoot him while he's driving away? (I'm sure some exasperated Unz readers would say yes ha ha)

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso, @Reg Cæsar, @North Detroit, @Ben tillman, @bomag

    Ultimately the enforcement of every law, no matter how minor, relies on the threat of the use of deadly force.

    • Disagree: notsaying
  91. @Altai
    OT:

    https://twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1350121911448121348

    Will it be possible to ever have normal street markings there again?

    Replies: @Polistra, @Reg Cæsar, @S. Anonyia

    Foreigners have to be laughing at this kind of childishness. It’s like a school spirit slogan written on a high school sidewalk before the big game.

  92. @Bill P
    That happened in my neighborhood just a few weeks ago. Some tweaker was messing with a neighbor's back porch door, unaware he was on camera. The neighbor came out with a gun and the tweaker started screaming "there's a guy with a gun and he's going to shoot me FOR NO REASON!!! Somebody call the police!"

    Woke me up some time around 2am, and I sat there highly annoyed wondering what the hell was going on. The next day another neighbor told me the story, which ended up being kind of funny when I thought about it. I mean, of all the reactions, the thief screams for the cops? He also left his cell phone behind, but the cops weren't interested. Neighbor #2 showed me his texts, and I ended up feeling sorry for his dad, apparently a Lummi Indian, who was obviously worried about him.

    I don't know whether the lockdown makes it more noticeable or what, but I'm seeing tweakers and drug dealing all over the place lately. Seems every time I take my 6yo to the park I see someone making a deal. Reminds me of the 80s.

    Replies: @Polistra, @3g4me

    @17 Bill P: Not funny, but typical. All POC thugs/grifters (but I repeat myself) know the cops are generally afraid to arrest them for fear of losing their pensions. If you attempt to protect yourself and/or your property while armed and particularly while White, YOU will be arrested, even in many states where you are not required to ‘retreat.’ The cops are not your friend, White man. Ever.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  93. @Pavlika Morozova
    OT:

    Why still no mention here of Amerika's own Pavlik Morozov, Helena Duke, who's earned over $60,00o for family- and class-betrayal?

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-helena-duke-pay-for-college

    Is there a more appropriately eponymous moniker for a Masshole fink who profits off her own kin for misdemeanor disorder than "Duke"?

    Enjoy your new snitch-ocracy Kultur, Amerika!

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Chris Mallory, @North Detroit, @vinteuil, @Escher

    The pic you link to is not a photo – it’s a 3d render in Daz Studio or something similar.

  94. @Blue Collar Mike
    While ridiculous and in keeping with the times we live in that the young black thug himself called 911 on the people he himself was victimizing, pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious. The article states the theif didn't have a weapon and doesn't mention any other kind of violent behavior, so pointing a (I'm going to guess loaded) gun at this idiot while he's scrambling to get away, while understandable emotionally, is not exactly the most proportional response. For those who might balk at this, would it be acceptable to shoot him while he's driving away? (I'm sure some exasperated Unz readers would say yes ha ha)

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso, @Reg Cæsar, @North Detroit, @Ben tillman, @bomag

    …[gun here] is not exactly the most proportional response

    A fair assumption is that anyone willing to steal a big-ticket item is willing to use deadly force.

  95. @North Detroit
    @Blue Collar Mike

    Are armoured car guards' guns unloaded?

    Replies: @3g4me

    @83 North Detroit: Don’t know about other states, but here in Texas they are most definitely loaded.

  96. @riches
    @Reg Cæsar

    Stickball? Fútbol?

    As our new leader says, "c'mon, man.''
    Our astute Reg should know Chicago's Grand Crossing "street arabs" are as likely to be in the public way engaged in sudoku tournaments. (Grand Crossing is spitting distance from the notorious Englewood.)

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    …Chicago’s Grand Crossing “street arabs” are as likely to be in the public way engaged in sudoku tournaments.

    Sudoku was invented in nearby Indianapolis:

    Hoosier Puzzlemaster I
    (Kudos to writer YAËL KSANDER for getting “was graduated” correct.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Garns

  97. @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute

    My dad was a ninth-generation Michiganian, descended from among others some of the first Frogs in Detroit. They didn't drive Cadillacs, they didn't build Cadillacs, they knew the Cadillacs.

    https://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/cropped_image/primary/13E34FB6-AC86-90C3-A0E4B087C15B50FD.jpg?width=600&quality=90&mode=crop

    https://www.americanheraldry.org/uploads/roll/cadillac.gif

    Replies: @Polistra, @Stan d Mute

    You fur trapping frog types cut and run. My hardy English forebears got their 1835 Land Patents in the Territory and never budged. Your only positive legacy here is a town named Great White (in French)..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute


    You fur trapping frog types cut and run. My hardy English forebears got their 1835 Land Patents in the Territory and never budged. Your only positive legacy here is a town named Great White (in French)...

     

    My grandmother lived and taught school in that very township, just outside Michael Moore's Silex, and not far from Madonna's Ville de la Baie and Little Stevie Émerveillement's Saginaw.

    She was only 1/8 French, and had a Dutch maiden name. New Netherland Dutch, not those muckdog celery-growing arrivistes of the 19th century.

    (Sorry, Mr Calvinist.)

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  98. @The Alarmist
    @Dr. X

    You should only brandish a weapon if you intend to use it.

    At least we can laugh at stories like Scott’s ... the sadder 911 calls are things like this.

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/florida-woman-calls-911-after-mcdonalds-runs-out-of-mcnuggets

    Replies: @black sea, @Stan d Mute, @psbindy

    You should only brandish a weapon if you intend to use it.

    I disagree, but this thread exhausted my disagree tags so I’ll expound.

    If a lowlife is generally menacing me or my family, is it not far preferable that I demonstrate my ability to defend in a clear manner than to allow ambiguity or doubt to encourage the malefactor until I am justified in terminating him?

    An armed society is a civil society, but the thug class knows that 99% of the populace is searching for their lost manhood and definitely not packing a glock. More brandishing would deter the exuberant overconfidence we see as popularized by hip-hop.

  99. @Thomas
    OT: Amnesty coming like a freight train in Biden's first 100 days. Full pathway to citizenship for all "11 million" (or 22 million, or 44 million) illegals.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/15/biden-immigration-plans-459766

    https://youtu.be/r_sSxre-1nA

    Replies: @Alfa158

    Yale University study wasn’t able to get a precise number because of the inherent nature of the crime, but they had a most likely number of 22 million and perhaps as high as 35 million.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates%3Famp

  100. @jsm
    @Polistra

    They go stealing my car, I have to assume they're brazen enough to try to run me over with it.

    Yeah, I'm gonna shoot, cuz I'm in reasonable fear for my life.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @psbindy, @znon

    You should shoot because it’s the right thing to do.

  101. @J.Ross
    @J.Ross

    Follow-up to this: John Sullivan, the left-wing activist who was agitating Trump supporters at the Capitol mess, has been released without bail.
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-utah-conditional-release-john-sullivan-bail

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Meanwhile, prosecutors are trying to change the terms of Kyle Rittenhouse’s $2m bond agreement based on the allegation that he “flashed white power signs” in a bar some time before the shooting.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rob McX


    the allegation that he “flashed white power signs

     

    https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/leo-print-2-zodiac-signs-print-zodiac-posters-leo-poster-black-and-white-leo-traits-studio-grafiikka.jpg

    https://askastrology.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Scorpio_icon.jpg

    https://www.zodiacsigns-horoscope.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/10capricorn-758x569.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_sign_(astrology)

  102. @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    You fur trapping frog types cut and run. My hardy English forebears got their 1835 Land Patents in the Territory and never budged. Your only positive legacy here is a town named Great White (in French)..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    You fur trapping frog types cut and run. My hardy English forebears got their 1835 Land Patents in the Territory and never budged. Your only positive legacy here is a town named Great White (in French)

    My grandmother lived and taught school in that very township, just outside Michael Moore’s Silex, and not far from Madonna’s Ville de la Baie and Little Stevie Émerveillement‘s Saginaw.

    She was only 1/8 French, and had a Dutch maiden name. New Netherland Dutch, not those muckdog celery-growing arrivistes of the 19th century.

    (Sorry, Mr Calvinist.)

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    You should join my troll crusade to rename Great White to something more appropriate to the current year. You have some talent with wordsmithery, take a crack at it.

    It’s who we are..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  103. @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute


    You fur trapping frog types cut and run. My hardy English forebears got their 1835 Land Patents in the Territory and never budged. Your only positive legacy here is a town named Great White (in French)...

     

    My grandmother lived and taught school in that very township, just outside Michael Moore's Silex, and not far from Madonna's Ville de la Baie and Little Stevie Émerveillement's Saginaw.

    She was only 1/8 French, and had a Dutch maiden name. New Netherland Dutch, not those muckdog celery-growing arrivistes of the 19th century.

    (Sorry, Mr Calvinist.)

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    You should join my troll crusade to rename Great White to something more appropriate to the current year. You have some talent with wordsmithery, take a crack at it.

    It’s who we are..

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute

    https://cdn.ct-static.com/labels/6f78b89b-c74f-45dc-80a6-395bec6b6df7.jpg

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

  104. @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    You should join my troll crusade to rename Great White to something more appropriate to the current year. You have some talent with wordsmithery, take a crack at it.

    It’s who we are..

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    You aren’t even trying bro. Since Great White was originally Whigville, I’m thinking Wokeville or something like that. Apply yourself!

    Replies: @Rob McX

  105. @Rob McX
    @J.Ross

    Meanwhile, prosecutors are trying to change the terms of Kyle Rittenhouse's $2m bond agreement based on the allegation that he "flashed white power signs" in a bar some time before the shooting.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    the allegation that he “flashed white power signs

  106. @White Men Can’t Jump
    @Polistra

    This is really pathetic sophistry on your part. The discussion was about the attempted GTA of a tow truck, yet you bring in napkins and $5 tips. You sound like a tenured, empty professor.

    “Aren’t cars readily replaceable?”

    No, they’re not. Especially not a tow truck. Letting a mope steal his truck could well have cost the vic his job.

    “Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds?”

    Absolutely. The space of a few seconds could well be the difference between the vic’s life and death.

    “That’s just crazy.”

    No, that’s just sane and righteous.

    Your problem is that you embrace evil, in the form of your membership in the Brotherhood in Support of Colored Criminals. You are loyal to the perp, because he’s a black criminal, and hostile to the White vic, because he’s a White vic. If the black perp had slaughtered the White vic, you’d have all sorts of excuses ready.

    By the way, say her name! Channon Christian. Say his name! Christopher Newsom.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Your problem is that you embrace evil

    IKR? But aside from that I’m a really nice guy.

    Not a one of you clowns even began to understand the point, much less engage it.

    I’ll put it here again, in really simple language.

    Where do you draw the line?

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Polistra


    Not a one of you clowns even began to understand the point, much less engage it.

    I’ll put it here again, in really simple language.

    Where do you draw the line?
     
    I’m sorry, I thought that I did and several others buried your reply? Here it is again:

    If it’s mine, I have the right to defend it. Period. Come try to take a paper clip from me and see what happens..

    Replies: @Polistra

  107. @Reg Cæsar
    @Stan d Mute

    https://cdn.ct-static.com/labels/6f78b89b-c74f-45dc-80a6-395bec6b6df7.jpg

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    You aren’t even trying bro. Since Great White was originally Whigville, I’m thinking Wokeville or something like that. Apply yourself!

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Stan d Mute

    Wiggerville?

    Replies: @Gerard Frederick

  108. @Polistra
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    Your problem is that you embrace evil
     
    IKR? But aside from that I'm a really nice guy.

    Not a one of you clowns even began to understand the point, much less engage it.

    I'll put it here again, in really simple language.

    Where do you draw the line?
     

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

    Not a one of you clowns even began to understand the point, much less engage it.

    I’ll put it here again, in really simple language.

    Where do you draw the line?

    I’m sorry, I thought that I did and several others buried your reply? Here it is again:

    If it’s mine, I have the right to defend it. Period. Come try to take a paper clip from me and see what happens..

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    Well Stan, in one regard that is progress, because you have specified that any possession qualifies, down to a paper clip yet! This contradicts the objections of others, who claimed it was sophistry or worse to ask where the line might be drawn, and that reference to a five-dollar tip was trivializing the discussion.

    But: you have now equivocated regarding the other aspect of the argument. Namely: What constitutes a justifiable defense of your paper clip? Actually killing someone? That seems to be what you're saying, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

    Mind you--no one here is denying anyone's right to defend his possessions or anything else. We're asking about what might constitute an appropriate response, and what might not. It's not as simple as some here seem to think.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Stan d Mute

  109. @The Alarmist
    @Dr. X

    You should only brandish a weapon if you intend to use it.

    At least we can laugh at stories like Scott’s ... the sadder 911 calls are things like this.

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/florida-woman-calls-911-after-mcdonalds-runs-out-of-mcnuggets

    Replies: @black sea, @Stan d Mute, @psbindy

    I disagree with you Alarmist.

    I agree with Stan d Mute’s reply to your post.

    There are many times when displaying (not ‘brandishing’ with it’s negative connotation of getting fancy or waving around the firearm) a firearm changes the entire flow of the interaction from the perp’s ‘I’m a tough criminal going to do as I wish to you,’ to the intended victim’s ‘I’m a peaceful citizen who can defend myself and you may wish to alter your intentions toward me.’

    There are new accounts each day on pro second amendment sites from citizen’s, many from women or disabled, or seniors in which the display of a firearm was all that was needed to cause a malefactor, or several, to reconsider and retreat.

    I do tend to agree with those posters who say a mere incidence of thievery is not justification for taking the thieves’ life.

    One must use one’s judgement in the circumstance at hand.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @psbindy

    If your assailant senses for a moment you don’t have the will to pull the trigger, you will be disarmed and killed. I will say this much; a woman brandishing a gun should go ahead and shoot. You manly types can take your chances if you are up to it. Since you’re likely to be assailed by more than one, dropping at least one might make the others go away; if not, it’s a good start.

  110. @jsm
    @Polistra

    They go stealing my car, I have to assume they're brazen enough to try to run me over with it.

    Yeah, I'm gonna shoot, cuz I'm in reasonable fear for my life.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @psbindy, @znon

    jsm, the jury might not find that pursuasive. Wanna take that chance? Also your comment here, today, will be presented to the jury by the prosecutor. Have you made other injudicious posts over the years? Expect to see them again.

  111. @Johann Ricke
    @Gary in Gramercy


    Best throwaway line: “Scott, 22, has no criminal background.”
     
    I have a feeling this sentence might, more accurately, include the qualifying phrase "apart from a juvenile record that remains sealed, but only for children of color (i.e. blacks), because systemic racism".

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Generally all juvenile records are sealed. The Left is trying to extend this to adult criminal records, or even expunge them.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  112. @Stan d Mute
    @Reg Cæsar

    You aren’t even trying bro. Since Great White was originally Whigville, I’m thinking Wokeville or something like that. Apply yourself!

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Wiggerville?

    • Replies: @Gerard Frederick
    @Rob McX

    How can you say that? Don´t you know --- Dat raciss?

  113. @Stan d Mute
    @Polistra


    Not a one of you clowns even began to understand the point, much less engage it.

    I’ll put it here again, in really simple language.

    Where do you draw the line?
     
    I’m sorry, I thought that I did and several others buried your reply? Here it is again:

    If it’s mine, I have the right to defend it. Period. Come try to take a paper clip from me and see what happens..

    Replies: @Polistra

    Well Stan, in one regard that is progress, because you have specified that any possession qualifies, down to a paper clip yet! This contradicts the objections of others, who claimed it was sophistry or worse to ask where the line might be drawn, and that reference to a five-dollar tip was trivializing the discussion.

    But: you have now equivocated regarding the other aspect of the argument. Namely: What constitutes a justifiable defense of your paper clip? Actually killing someone? That seems to be what you’re saying, but please correct me if I’m wrong. I hope I’m wrong.

    Mind you–no one here is denying anyone’s right to defend his possessions or anything else. We’re asking about what might constitute an appropriate response, and what might not. It’s not as simple as some here seem to think.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
    @Polistra

    I’m hardly sophisticated enough for sophistry. It sounds to me like you are blinded by your unearned white privilege here.

    That paper clip was given to me by my mammy who got it as a Kwanzaa gift as a little girl from her grandmama who was given it by her ole massa on the plantation. For 150 years, that paper clip was the only wealth or legacy in my family. And yet to a privileged white woman such as yourself, it’s just one more thing that you can steal from me.

    Theft is violence. Answering violence with violence is appropriate.

    Maybe the answer is for you to renounce your white privilege and give everything (you didn’t earn it anyway) to a person of color. And never again try to steal from us or you may be shot!

    , @Stan d Mute
    @Polistra

    One might wonder if the sophist here is you. You suggest that no property is worth a life, but utterly ignore the reality that defending one’s property is a natural right and that between the attempt to steal and the attempt to defend, there can be an escalation.


    “I’m gonna steal that paper clip”
    “No you ain’t, it’s mine!”
    “Bitch! I’m gonna take it!”
    “No you ain’t!”
    “Bitch I kill you and take it!”
    “Bang!”
     
    In this case, our thug never even got the paper clip. He only attempted to steal. And what if the above scene occurs in one’s living room at 3am?

    Ideally one uses the least force necessary for the defense of his property. But this is always subjective isn’t it. You pose the question, “is it okay to defend one’s property with his life?” For if it isn’t, one must then have a duty to surrender his property on demand to all and sundry.

    Any theft is a robbery if the victim is present no? So you’re really just conflating theft and robbery. Nobody gets shot for theft. People get shot for robbery constantly.

    Replies: @Polistra

  114. @jsm
    @Polistra

    They go stealing my car, I have to assume they're brazen enough to try to run me over with it.

    Yeah, I'm gonna shoot, cuz I'm in reasonable fear for my life.

    Replies: @Ben tillman, @psbindy, @znon

    If God forbid it ever goes that far south remember the video “Don’t talk to the Police” and get a lawyer. I believe you have to explain in clear, undeviating and concise terms that you were absolutely sure that the perp was going to kill you or your loved ones THEN AND THERE. Waiting to talk to a lawyer before saying anything is the only safe way.

    • Agree: Rob McX, Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @znon

    Most of the people in prisons deserve to be there, but half of them wouldn't be there if they had just shut up when arrested. Anyone arrested for defending his life or property needs to remember that.

  115. @znon
    @jsm

    If God forbid it ever goes that far south remember the video "Don't talk to the Police" and get a lawyer. I believe you have to explain in clear, undeviating and concise terms that you were absolutely sure that the perp was going to kill you or your loved ones THEN AND THERE. Waiting to talk to a lawyer before saying anything is the only safe way.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    Most of the people in prisons deserve to be there, but half of them wouldn’t be there if they had just shut up when arrested. Anyone arrested for defending his life or property needs to remember that.

  116. @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    Well Stan, in one regard that is progress, because you have specified that any possession qualifies, down to a paper clip yet! This contradicts the objections of others, who claimed it was sophistry or worse to ask where the line might be drawn, and that reference to a five-dollar tip was trivializing the discussion.

    But: you have now equivocated regarding the other aspect of the argument. Namely: What constitutes a justifiable defense of your paper clip? Actually killing someone? That seems to be what you're saying, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

    Mind you--no one here is denying anyone's right to defend his possessions or anything else. We're asking about what might constitute an appropriate response, and what might not. It's not as simple as some here seem to think.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Stan d Mute

    I’m hardly sophisticated enough for sophistry. It sounds to me like you are blinded by your unearned white privilege here.

    That paper clip was given to me by my mammy who got it as a Kwanzaa gift as a little girl from her grandmama who was given it by her ole massa on the plantation. For 150 years, that paper clip was the only wealth or legacy in my family. And yet to a privileged white woman such as yourself, it’s just one more thing that you can steal from me.

    Theft is violence. Answering violence with violence is appropriate.

    Maybe the answer is for you to renounce your white privilege and give everything (you didn’t earn it anyway) to a person of color. And never again try to steal from us or you may be shot!

  117. @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    Well Stan, in one regard that is progress, because you have specified that any possession qualifies, down to a paper clip yet! This contradicts the objections of others, who claimed it was sophistry or worse to ask where the line might be drawn, and that reference to a five-dollar tip was trivializing the discussion.

    But: you have now equivocated regarding the other aspect of the argument. Namely: What constitutes a justifiable defense of your paper clip? Actually killing someone? That seems to be what you're saying, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

    Mind you--no one here is denying anyone's right to defend his possessions or anything else. We're asking about what might constitute an appropriate response, and what might not. It's not as simple as some here seem to think.

    Replies: @Stan d Mute, @Stan d Mute

    One might wonder if the sophist here is you. You suggest that no property is worth a life, but utterly ignore the reality that defending one’s property is a natural right and that between the attempt to steal and the attempt to defend, there can be an escalation.

    “I’m gonna steal that paper clip”
    “No you ain’t, it’s mine!”
    “Bitch! I’m gonna take it!”
    “No you ain’t!”
    “Bitch I kill you and take it!”
    “Bang!”

    In this case, our thug never even got the paper clip. He only attempted to steal. And what if the above scene occurs in one’s living room at 3am?

    Ideally one uses the least force necessary for the defense of his property. But this is always subjective isn’t it. You pose the question, “is it okay to defend one’s property with his life?” For if it isn’t, one must then have a duty to surrender his property on demand to all and sundry.

    Any theft is a robbery if the victim is present no? So you’re really just conflating theft and robbery. Nobody gets shot for theft. People get shot for robbery constantly.

    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    Alas, this exchange has probably passed its sell-by date. Still, a few notes:


    Theft is violence.
     
    No, it's not, though of course it can be accompanied by violence. If I steal your paper clip from your porch in Michigan while you're on vacation in Florida, no violence has occurred. Still, you think I should be killed for this.

    Answering violence with violence is appropriate.
     
    It's the very definition of Mosaic Law (eye for an eye etc) and the very opposite of Christian Doctrine (turn the other cheek). Noted in passing.

    You pose the question, “is it okay to defend one’s property with his life?” For if it isn’t, one must then have a duty to surrender his property on demand to all and sundry.
     
    Speaking of (imitation) sophistry, no that wasn't the question I posed. That's the question you and others chose to address. The question I posed was: when is it justified, when is it not, and (most importantly) how when and where do you distinguish between the two? To say it's always justified is sort of an evasion, and sort of an answer, but not a worthy one.

    Any theft is a robbery if the victim is present no? So you’re really just conflating theft and robbery.
     
    No--you are--and this is the final example I'll quote demonstrating why the exchange has become idle. See ya later.
  118. @Pavlika Morozova
    OT:

    Why still no mention here of Amerika's own Pavlik Morozov, Helena Duke, who's earned over $60,00o for family- and class-betrayal?

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-helena-duke-pay-for-college

    Is there a more appropriately eponymous moniker for a Masshole fink who profits off her own kin for misdemeanor disorder than "Duke"?

    Enjoy your new snitch-ocracy Kultur, Amerika!

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Chris Mallory, @North Detroit, @vinteuil, @Escher

    Wait for a wave of brainwashed kids to turn in their crimethinking parents, as Comrade Kamala makes shrill speeches from the Floyd Memorial.

  119. @psbindy
    @The Alarmist

    I disagree with you Alarmist.

    I agree with Stan d Mute's reply to your post.

    There are many times when displaying (not 'brandishing' with it's negative connotation of getting fancy or waving around the firearm) a firearm changes the entire flow of the interaction from the perp's 'I'm a tough criminal going to do as I wish to you,' to the intended victim's 'I'm a peaceful citizen who can defend myself and you may wish to alter your intentions toward me.'

    There are new accounts each day on pro second amendment sites from citizen's, many from women or disabled, or seniors in which the display of a firearm was all that was needed to cause a malefactor, or several, to reconsider and retreat.

    I do tend to agree with those posters who say a mere incidence of thievery is not justification for taking the thieves' life.

    One must use one's judgement in the circumstance at hand.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    If your assailant senses for a moment you don’t have the will to pull the trigger, you will be disarmed and killed. I will say this much; a woman brandishing a gun should go ahead and shoot. You manly types can take your chances if you are up to it. Since you’re likely to be assailed by more than one, dropping at least one might make the others go away; if not, it’s a good start.

  120. @Gary in Gramercy
    Best throwaway line: "Scott, 22, has no criminal background."

    A few possibilities: Scott, at the fairly advanced age of 22, had never before been arrested because, as a criminal mastermind, he had previously managed to cover his tracks in all his criminal endeavors.

    Or: Mayor Groot's seeming indifference to crime has encouraged heretofore law-abiding citizens -- many of whom may lack either the necessary cleverness, ruthlessness or both for a successful criminal career -- to take up crime as a "side job," much as Chicago police officers frequently have "side jobs" as bouncers, bartenders or porch deck repairmen.

    Mr. Scott's inexperience in stealing the flatbed tow truck in question is apparent from (1) his failure to bring a gun with him, an egregious breach of criminal etiquette in Chicago, coupled with (2) his reaction when the truck's owner produced his own gun. If Mr. Scott had been a professional criminal, and not a dilettante, he would have refrained from calling the authorities, keeping in mind the First Commandment of the Streets: "Snitches Get Stitches."

    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because "he did not use a weapon during this matter." Mr. Scott's amateur status remains intact.

    Replies: @Polistra, @Bragadocious, @Jim Don Bob, @Johann Ricke, @Ragno

    No wonder Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail, because “he did not use a weapon during this matter.”

    Judge Charles Beach let Mr. Scott free on electronic monitoring without cash bail because Mr Scott is black and he committed the crime in question.

    The article states the thief didn’t have a weapon and doesn’t mention any other kind of violent behavior.

    There’s a strong likelihood that same newspaper has never uttered a single word about Hunter Biden’s bagman duties during his family’s shakedown of our nation’s enemies, or the name “Tony Bobulinski”. And any journalist whose followup reporting were to contradict the initial story would be an ex-journalist in short order.

    Pulling a gun on someone for stealing something while posing no other threats is morally dubious.

    A brief scan of the articles posted here by Paul Kersey and Kenn Gividen strongly indicate that being judged by 12 beats being carried by 6.

  121. @Stan d Mute
    @Polistra

    One might wonder if the sophist here is you. You suggest that no property is worth a life, but utterly ignore the reality that defending one’s property is a natural right and that between the attempt to steal and the attempt to defend, there can be an escalation.


    “I’m gonna steal that paper clip”
    “No you ain’t, it’s mine!”
    “Bitch! I’m gonna take it!”
    “No you ain’t!”
    “Bitch I kill you and take it!”
    “Bang!”
     
    In this case, our thug never even got the paper clip. He only attempted to steal. And what if the above scene occurs in one’s living room at 3am?

    Ideally one uses the least force necessary for the defense of his property. But this is always subjective isn’t it. You pose the question, “is it okay to defend one’s property with his life?” For if it isn’t, one must then have a duty to surrender his property on demand to all and sundry.

    Any theft is a robbery if the victim is present no? So you’re really just conflating theft and robbery. Nobody gets shot for theft. People get shot for robbery constantly.

    Replies: @Polistra

    Alas, this exchange has probably passed its sell-by date. Still, a few notes:

    Theft is violence.

    No, it’s not, though of course it can be accompanied by violence. If I steal your paper clip from your porch in Michigan while you’re on vacation in Florida, no violence has occurred. Still, you think I should be killed for this.

    Answering violence with violence is appropriate.

    It’s the very definition of Mosaic Law (eye for an eye etc) and the very opposite of Christian Doctrine (turn the other cheek). Noted in passing.

    You pose the question, “is it okay to defend one’s property with his life?” For if it isn’t, one must then have a duty to surrender his property on demand to all and sundry.

    Speaking of (imitation) sophistry, no that wasn’t the question I posed. That’s the question you and others chose to address. The question I posed was: when is it justified, when is it not, and (most importantly) how when and where do you distinguish between the two? To say it’s always justified is sort of an evasion, and sort of an answer, but not a worthy one.

    Any theft is a robbery if the victim is present no? So you’re really just conflating theft and robbery.

    No–you are–and this is the final example I’ll quote demonstrating why the exchange has become idle. See ya later.

  122. @Polistra
    @Dr. X

    Devil's advocate, is property worth taking someone's life? You don't know much about the person whose life you're taking. Granted the one thing you do know isn't very good, but I wouldn't be happy taking someone's life just to protect property. Comprehensive auto insurance covers car theft even if you are present.

    Now if you are in reasonable fear of your own life, or that of your loved ones, that's another matter.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Dr. X, @jsm, @Stan d Mute, @Nico, @Gerard Frederick

    Nonsense. Someone steals my vehicle or anything else I bought and paid for,. he deserves to be put down. The principle of self defence should extend to property.

  123. @Rob McX
    @Stan d Mute

    Wiggerville?

    Replies: @Gerard Frederick

    How can you say that? Don´t you know — Dat raciss?

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