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From the Columbia Journalism Review:

It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool.

That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper.

Why we capitalize ‘Black’ (and not ‘white’)
By Mike Laws
JUNE 16, 2020

AT THE COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW, we capitalize Black, and not white, when referring to racial groups. Black is an ethnic designation; white merely describes the skin color of people who can, usually without much difficulty, trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.

Note that these pathetic white people have a term that is not an ethnic description; white merely describes the skin color of people who can, usually without much difficulty, trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries. Be clear on this fact: white people do not come from a plethora of European countries, but a mere handful. What losers!

… Per this understanding, it is a kind of orthographic injustice to lowercase the B: to do so is to perpetuate the iniquity of an institution that uprooted people from the most ethnically diverse place on the planet

Unlike whites, who only come from a handful of countries and thus can’t be considered diverse.

 
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  1. The comments on that tweet are not running CJR’s way.

    • Replies: @Mr Mox
    @Change that Matters


    The comments on that tweet are not running CJR’s way.

     

    I dare say! Perhaps there's hope after all.

    One would think a majority of CJR readers would be left-leaning liberals, toeing the PC-line.
    The comments suggest that maybe, just maybe, the idealism is starting to wear thin - even among the anointed.

    To quote Scott Adams "One of my rules-of-thumb is that anything that can't be explained with normal words is bullshit." - Well, the screed on CJR's homepage speaks for itself...

    CJR’s mission is to be the intellectual leader in the rapidly changing world of journalism. It is the most respected voice on press criticism, and it shapes the ideas that make media leaders and journalists smarter about their work. Through its fast-turn analysis and deep reporting, CJR is an essential venue not just for journalists, but also for the thousands of professionals in communications, technology, academia, and other fields reliant on solid media industry knowledge.

    , @J.Ross
    @Change that Matters

    Oh sick burn, sure genocide is closer and overt racism is normalized, but we have Steve and some commenters. Take that, Soros! You will still feel the sting after we're murdered in uninvestigated unreported unpoliced events understood by the government to be property crime.

  2. Then why do they say “white people”? Shouldn’t they say white-skinned people? If it merely described eye color, you wouldn’t say “blue people”, you would say “blue-eyed people.”

    • Thanks: Craig Nelsen, bomag
    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Warner

    Those of us, of the "blue-eyed" peoples, prefer to be known as "blue-eyed devils."

    For orthographic accuracy. For orthographic justice. And for political correctness, you must use our preferred nomenclature, just as you would for anyone's preferred nouns and pronouns...

    Thank you for your cooperation.
    😂

    , @Prester John
    @Warner

    "White" is the color of snow. Or milk. Or computer copy paper.

    Ever see a person with skin the color of snow, milk, or computer copy paper?

    Didn't think so.

  3. It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    • Replies: @Federalist
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    You can say that again.

    , @anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    There must be an echo in here.

  4. It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.
     
    Only if you think they're concerned about hypocrisy. I don't believe they are. Their power level now is such that they needn't worry at all about your pesky so-called "facts."

    Anyway, if race is a social construct, they can simply say positive Black identity is a good social construct, while positive white identity is an evil social construct. Easy-peasy.

    Replies: @EdwardM

  5. It’s just way to easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    Let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    • Replies: @SMK
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Capitalizing the B in black but not the W in white is an expression of black superiority over whites. It's not "childish" but a manifestation of pro-black and anti-white propaganda and thought-control whose purpose is to engender pride in "African-Americans" and guilt in European-Americans.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    NJ, from the article...white skinned "people who can trace their ethnic origin to a handfull of European nations." Hmm, there are 41 nations in Europe or more depending on the source. Forty one in a bit more than a handfull.

  6. It’s just way to easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    Let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I have a friend who works in marketing and has a degree in journalism from what was considered to be a conservative leaning university. He told me that even decades ago, journalism schools taught their students that the role of the journalist is to improve society and make the world a better place. That meant pushing stories that promote the right policies and train the population to believe the right things. Truth is whatever is Good. If something happens to be factually true, well that’s just a bonus, but “truth” cannot be allowed to undermine the more important underlying “Truths”.
    Imagine what a place like Columbia in the year 2020 must be like.

    Replies: @Art Deco

  7. It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

  8. It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.
     
    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.
     
    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Charlotte, @animalogic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @bigdicknick

    , @anon
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct

    The essence of journo-lism is to always be in harmony with the Narrative and serve it selflessly. Changing as the Narrative changes in a seamless manner.

    Facts have nothing to do with journo-lism. Nothing. Their feelze don't care about your facts.

    , @Almost Missouri
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    "there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe."
     
    Maybe one of the real genomics experts will correct me, but I think this Africa-has-most-genetic-diversity meme is really just an artifact of the highly outlying Bushman and Pygmy people [or whatever the new, politically correct names for them are]. Most African-Americans (indeed most of the global black African diaspora) are overwhelmingly descended from the Bantu tribes of West Africa, and so are not very genetically diverse, except inasmuch as they have some slight Bushman or Pygmy admixture.

    In the recent Jet Age, South Africans with higher Bushman admixture and East African with Arab admixture have started to exit Africa as well, but the truly genetically divergent ("diverse") people—the Bushmen and Pygmies—are still largely interior African people.
    , @Anonymous
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I think "Black" actually is meant to refer to an ethnic group. We are talking about U.S. standard Negros, in other words. Is Ilhan Omar of The Black? Not really; she looks more like a Eurabian fashion model of the 90s period. Barack Obama was half-black but not even 10% Black.

    Was Roberto Clemente an ordained Black, or just black?

    , @Desiderius
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Columbia’s always been a hotbed of corrupt Toryism.

    , @Art Deco
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct.

    Columbia's J-school installed Victor Navasky as chairman of the board overseeing it's publications. Victor Navasky's experience as a reporter is nil. He ran a humor magazine for seven years, then was on the staff of the New York Times Book Review for 12 years, after which his wealthy wife purchased a majority stake in The Nation and installed him as editor, at which task he functioned for 18 years. The Nation is an opinion magazine which offers no reportage. Its editorial line in the Navasky era was red haze, favoring the Soviets in the late Cold War. Navasky's personal project for decades has been an attempt to demonstrate that Alger Hiss was framed, a project more sophisticated leftoids (e.g. James Weinstein and John Judis) thought a futile waste of time. Why would you put a complete tool in charge of your publications? It was a big middle finger to any serious reporter.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Prester John

    , @Kratoklastes
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct
     
    You silly, silly man.

    The essence of journalism is furnishing material to put into gaps between advertisements - keeping your eyeballs corralled so that your attention can be sold to someone selling toothpaste, carbolic smoke-balls, ab machines, or RightThink.

    The 'journalism is a bunch of smart people all trying to be I.F. Stone' schtick is just marketing bullshit that the trade uses so that it can pretend it's a profession.

    I.F. Stone, H. L. Mencken and their modern counterparts stand out precisely because their output is so unlike the overwhelming bulk of journalistic output.

    If you want an archetypal journalist, don't think of Stone, Mencken, Pilger, Fisk, Taibbi, or Greenwald... think of Walter Duranty, Judith Miller, Jayson Blair, and Bill Keller.
  9. They also said at the very beginning of the sentence, that they were referring to racial groups. Therefore, the word is not about skin, but a racial group. They JUST said so in their explanation!!

    • LOL: ben tillman
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Warner

    Good catch. I missed that.

    My official excuse is that I was only one sip into my first cup of coffee.

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Warner

    You nailed it. It is actually kind of fascinating how much self-refuting stupidity and bias can be packed into so few words. Bravo, Columbia Journalism Review!

    , @Forbes
    @Warner


    ...we capitalize Black...when referring to racial groups. Black is an ethnic designation...
     
    More confusion abounds. Ethnicity is a designation. Black is an ethnicity.

    Black is a race...and an ethnicity. It's doing a lot of work. Is it also a multipurpose floor polish??

    The mind boggles.
    , @Pop Warner
    @Warner

    To the creationists at Columbia race is nothing more than skin color, a purely cosmetic feature that is the only evidence of human evolution the past 50k years. Race, after all, is a social construct and all disparities between races (which don't exist btw) are due to invisible forces like oppression and white supremacy which possess black bodies and force them into a life of crime. To reference the leftist religious text Harry Potter , it's like white supremacy is an imperious curse that controls the actions of the victim

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @Warner

    Warner, holy jumping dog shit....they said RACE ! WTF there is no race. They must have been hacked.Good catch!

  10. Calling it “childishness” is a bit of a cope though. Seems like an awful lot of cultural clout, if you ask me.

    • Agree: Cagey Beast, Gordo
    • Replies: @Percy Gryce
    @silviosilver

    An absolute monarch can act childishly and petulantly. Steve is talking motives and not quantity of cultural power--although acting in that way can decrease one's cultural power.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  11. Sounds exactly like the kind of pedantic fatuous rationalizations most of the dumbass commenters on here indulge in ad infinitum.

    • LOL: Lowe
    • Troll: Lurker
    • Replies: @Clyde
    @obwandiyag

    We need a FOAD button for you, ignoramus.

    , @bomag
    @obwandiyag


    ...most of the dumbass commenters on here
     
    The non-dumbass commenters are okay.
    , @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag


    Sounds exactly like the kind of pedantic fatuous rationalizations most of the dumbass commenters on here indulge in ad infinitum.
     
    Not so: anons are limited to indulging in two pedantic fatuous rationalizations per hour.
    , @res
    @obwandiyag

    Indeed. Thank you for being Exhibit A of your correctness.

  12. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    What’s their ethnic designation for those with one white, and one black parent?

    Since so many Americans are mulatto, rather than a full proper Black, and mixing the two would be inarguably strengthening the white aspect, although it certainly weakens the Black aspect of any given subject.

    Would it be “colored,” with a capital “C,” or Mulatto with a small “M”?

    Calling people black with dramatically different skin shades seems lazy, if not a little bit fascist.

    You know, I remember an interview with Halle Berry, and when asked her ethnicity, she said, “I believe in the ‘one drop’ rule, so I identify as black.”

    I thought, “you aren’t SUPPOSED to believe in the ‘one drop rule,’ you big-boobed troglodyte! That’s a white supremacist conceit, for chrissakes!”

    Anyway… I gave up on black people and their retarded liberal white “friends” making a lick of sense ages ago. It’s best to just let them tire themselves out. Black people as a whole, are just expensive to have around. That’s just the way it is.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Mulatto is a term that has fallen out of favor in English, possibly because the original Spanish or Portuguese term means like a mule--neither one thing nor the other.

    I find it hard to use the word without thinking of a mule.

    Replies: @Corn, @anonymous

    , @JMcG
    @Anonymous

    If you think they’re expensive to have around now, just wait.

  13. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @Art Deco, @Kratoklastes

    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.

    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Dave Pinsen


    There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.
     
    "They all look the same" to me too. But I wouldn't be surprised if they can detect considerable racial differences between each other. (And I don't mean distinguishing mixed, new world blacks from the unmixed African variety. Even I can do that.)

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Charlotte
    @Dave Pinsen

    Height varies tremendously among African peoples. There is no corresponding variation that I know of among Europeans to that described below.


    The Nilotic peoples of Sudan such as the Dinka have been described as the tallest in the world, with the males in some communities having average heights of 1.9 m (6 ft 3 in) and females at 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in).[75] A notable example is Manute Bol, who, at 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in), shared the record for the tallest basketball player in NBA history.[citation needed] The Dinka are characterized as having long legs, narrow bodies and short trunks, an adaptation to hot weather.[76] However, a 1995 study casts doubt on the claim of extraordinary height in Dinka, which after studying the average height of Dinka males in one location, listed the actual number as 1.76 m (5 ft 9.45 in).[77] Adult males of Pygmy people have an approximate average height of 1.5 m (4 ft 11 in).[citation needed]
     
    https://www4.stat.ncsu.edu/~osborne/st512r/sasthings/Human_height-wiki.htm

    The San (Bushmen) are now considered the oldest people on earth, having diverged about 200,000 yrs ago from other humans. From Wikipedia:

    A DNA study of fully sequenced genomes, published in September 2016, showed that the ancestors of today's San hunter-gatherers began to diverge from other human populations in Africa about 200,000 years ago and were fully isolated by 100,000 years ago, well before the first archaeological evidence of modern behaviour in humans.[58]
     

    Replies: @Oliver Elkington

    , @animalogic
    @Dave Pinsen

    "but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one."
    Oh, man, you've hit the nail on the head here. Anomie, all the way.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
    @Dave Pinsen


    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.
     
    There's an insoluble paradox about the establishment's dictates about whites - on the one hand, they're not a cohesive group; on the other hand, all whites share moral responsibility for oppression of non-whites. It's acceptable to proclaim that you hate whites, while it's not acceptable to say that "it's ok to be white."

    The establishment such as it is has begun the inevitable course of events which ends in whites thinking of themselves as a cohesive interest group even if negatively defined as "the group whom all other groups blame for the world's ills." The only question is whether this happens before or after whites become a mere plurality of the population, overcome in raw numbers by the collection of nonwhites.
    , @res
    @Dave Pinsen


    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.
     
    It means that Africa is a huge continent and intra-African population splits occurred long before out of Africa. This gave much more time for genetic changes (in particular genetic drift) to occur.

    The assertion makes more sense if you look at some of the more extreme African phenotypes.

    How much the genetic diversity maps to phenotypic diversity is an interesting question though. Much of the genetic drift variation is likely to be relatively silent (not affecting phenotype) while I think the selection based variation is more likely to show up in the phenotype.
    , @bigdicknick
    @Dave Pinsen

    this was covered on this blog and is pretty obvious. The genetic diversity in africa is groups that have basically zero presence in america i.e. pygmies, khoisan etc. Groups that are only known in like 300 square mile areas of africa, have invented nothing and don't live in diaspora anywhere. It's completely irrelevant to understanding race in america or anywhere else. It's only relevant if you're an anthropologist doing a phd in why ooga booga tribe decided to genocide stinky pinky tribe.

  14. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @silviosilver

    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    Only if you think they’re concerned about hypocrisy. I don’t believe they are. Their power level now is such that they needn’t worry at all about your pesky so-called “facts.”

    Anyway, if race is a social construct, they can simply say positive Black identity is a good social construct, while positive white identity is an evil social construct. Easy-peasy.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
    @silviosilver

    Agree. Their argument is so illogical that they must know it. It's just spiking the football in our faces.

  15. The non-Christian whites are really showing their colors and their allegiance.

    • Agree: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Dissident
    @Lagertha


    The non-Christian whites are really showing their colors and their allegiance.
     
    https://www.cjr.org/about_us/masthead.php
    Some of the listed names:
    Kyle ((Pope))
    ((Ravi Somaiya))
    Brendan ((Fitzgerald));Jon ((Allsop));Camille ((Bromley));((Akintunde Ahmad));Michael ((Murphy));Jelani ((Cobb));Terry ((McDonell)); Dave ((Scially))
    https://i.imgur.com/BXjuAYo.png
    https://i.imgur.com/U3rAFOW.png
    , @Morris Applebaum IV
    @Lagertha

    Even though most of anti-White Whites are nominally Christian, they're well meaning, albeit a bit naive. Wouldn't want to blame them for anything. Obviously.

  16. Pointing out #CapitalBlackCrime on Twitter is going to be exhausting!

  17. @Dave Pinsen
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.
     
    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.
     
    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Charlotte, @animalogic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @bigdicknick

    There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    “They all look the same” to me too. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they can detect considerable racial differences between each other. (And I don’t mean distinguishing mixed, new world blacks from the unmixed African variety. Even I can do that.)

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @silviosilver

    Keep in mind that the slaves were mostly imported from one relatively small region of West Africa populated by Bantu (and also that the Bantu expansion wiped out many other black phenotypes).

    However, if you look at Somalis and Ethiopians with their Semitic features, blue black Kenyans like Obama's dad, long limbed Tutsi's and tiny pygmies with reddish skin, you would see that in Africa itself they did NOT all look alike.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @silviosilver

  18. Out of respect, in all future formal correspondence I shall capitalize the N-word.

    • Replies: @AceDeuce
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    LOL-let's not go crazy, now....

    I do need to contact CJR myself, though--does "schitt skin" require a hyphen? - Asking for a friend.

  19. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-bans-two-websites-its-ad-platform-over-protest-articles-n1231176

    Google demonetized Zero Hedge.

    This is getting kinda serious here now. It was done based on the COMMENT SECTION…..NOT an actual article….

    Trump seriously needs to launch an anti trust investigation…..this is why the 1990s were so great…..there was actually still competition in technology…..

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Neoconned

    And if you have a meeting at your home or office, and one of your guests says something racist* we get to seize your property and put you out of a job.

    * The fun part is that we get to decide what's racist.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    , @anon
    @Neoconned

    Trump should just do anti-trust? Do I live in a simulation? Are you guys NPCs or something? How can anyone type that after all we've seen? Clearly, the Universe is just d*cking with me at this point. Whatever I did in a previous life, I'm sorry. Totally willing to make up for it now. Please end this and give me a second chance. Shut it down.

    , @El Dato
    @Neoconned

    That's what happens when companies that are essentially advertisement resellers and pleb click & lifetime harvesters are confused with "technology companies".

    Meanwhile:

    Vice is promoting a SPLC ‘hate map’ of Confederate monuments. This has led to violence before

    Vandalism is POP now: Popular Mechanics under fire for science-friendly advice on ‘how to topple statues’ & not hurt anyone

    Stay safe and carry something that can throw 7.62.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    , @animalogic
    @Neoconned

    I defend Google in NO way -- their I.D statement should now read "just do evil".
    However, reading Zerohedge comments one can easily imagine a gaggle of drunken clowns, skinheads & day-traders stumbling around a town square toting AK's & AR 15's.....

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  20. “ white merely describes the skin color of people who can trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries”

    A handful? Sorry Portugal, Finland and Greece!

    Or could the Columbia Journalism Review be thinking of this

    • Thanks: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Lot

    It's Moops, Not Moors.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia02fGpUQfU

  21. It’s a distinction I can live with so long as I don’t have to be in the same ethnic group as the people from the Columbia Journalism Review.

    Seeing this weeks-long white chimp-out here in Washington State I am pretty much done with the idea of white solidarity. I don’t want to have anything to do with those people.

    I’m pretty sure there are tens of millions who feel the same way, and that’s going to have major repercussions.

    • Replies: @Forbes
    @Bill P

    As my Anglo-British-Polynesian-black friend surmises as the plan for Afro-American take-over of the US, the next step is to get the Whites shooting and killing one another.

    Said with that dry British sense of humor--or is that humour--the observation doesn't seem that far off the mark.

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @ATBOTL
    @Bill P

    What are you trying to say? Anyone else tired of these kinds of garbled comments?

    , @Pop Warner
    @Bill P

    Don't worry, the CJR only see themselves as fellow whites when they need to attack and smear whites, otherwise they become the eternal persecuted victim of whites that suffered more than anybody else in human history

    , @MBlanc46
    @Bill P

    We can only hope that it will have major repercussions. One way or another.

  22. @Neoconned
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-bans-two-websites-its-ad-platform-over-protest-articles-n1231176

    Google demonetized Zero Hedge.

    This is getting kinda serious here now. It was done based on the COMMENT SECTION.....NOT an actual article....

    Trump seriously needs to launch an anti trust investigation.....this is why the 1990s were so great.....there was actually still competition in technology.....

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @anon, @El Dato, @animalogic

    And if you have a meeting at your home or office, and one of your guests says something racist* we get to seize your property and put you out of a job.

    * The fun part is that we get to decide what’s racist.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    "we get to seize your property and put you out of a job"

    The right-wingers created that template for the Reagan-Bush War on Drugs. Silly right-wingers: your gleeful authoritarianism in the 80s and 90s might come back to bite you in the buttocks.

  23. Don’t expect them to know what they’re writing about. They’re journalists.

  24. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @Art Deco, @Kratoklastes

    CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct

    The essence of journo-lism is to always be in harmony with the Narrative and serve it selflessly. Changing as the Narrative changes in a seamless manner.

    Facts have nothing to do with journo-lism. Nothing. Their feelze don’t care about your facts.

    • Agree: Dissident
  25. @Dave Pinsen
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.
     
    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.
     
    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Charlotte, @animalogic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @bigdicknick

    Height varies tremendously among African peoples. There is no corresponding variation that I know of among Europeans to that described below.

    The Nilotic peoples of Sudan such as the Dinka have been described as the tallest in the world, with the males in some communities having average heights of 1.9 m (6 ft 3 in) and females at 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in).[75] A notable example is Manute Bol, who, at 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in), shared the record for the tallest basketball player in NBA history.[citation needed] The Dinka are characterized as having long legs, narrow bodies and short trunks, an adaptation to hot weather.[76] However, a 1995 study casts doubt on the claim of extraordinary height in Dinka, which after studying the average height of Dinka males in one location, listed the actual number as 1.76 m (5 ft 9.45 in).[77] Adult males of Pygmy people have an approximate average height of 1.5 m (4 ft 11 in).[citation needed]

    https://www4.stat.ncsu.edu/~osborne/st512r/sasthings/Human_height-wiki.htm

    The San (Bushmen) are now considered the oldest people on earth, having diverged about 200,000 yrs ago from other humans. From Wikipedia:

    A DNA study of fully sequenced genomes, published in September 2016, showed that the ancestors of today’s San hunter-gatherers began to diverge from other human populations in Africa about 200,000 years ago and were fully isolated by 100,000 years ago, well before the first archaeological evidence of modern behaviour in humans.[58]

    • Replies: @Oliver Elkington
    @Charlotte

    The topic of genetic and racial diversity in Africa is very complex(as it is on every continent except for Australasia and the Americas where i believe both Aborigines and Indians are believed to have evolved from small founder populations) I believe however that south of the Sahara the diversity is not especially high as i heard in a study(sadly lost the link but it would be on a genetics website) that there is less difference genetically between a Nigerian and a Zimbabwean than there is between a German and an Italian. A lot of the genetic diversity is Africa is found in the north which is truly diverse, according to the anthropologist Carleton Coon north Africans have in their ancestry Mediterranean peoples, west Asian ancestors, a small proportion of black African dna and most interestingly of all a possible connection with the Khoisan peoples who apparently also inhabited north Africa before they migrated south to where they are now, that is why some north Africans have the distinctive eye shape and skin colour associated with the Khoisan, just look at the king of Morocco for example.

  26. Many black people don’t even regard Somalians and Ethiopians as “black” as their personalities are very different from those of west and central Africans and their facial features are more Arab even though when it comes to skin colour many are darker than Nigerians who all blacks see as “typically black” living in a city with a large Somali community i will add that there are big differences in the way they act, especially the women who are much less outgoing, basically quieter you could say they remind me much more of Indians and Arabs. Blackness it seems is simply referring to those Africans of a west African origin who speak or would have spoken one of the languages of Nigeria, Ghana or Senegal along with the closely related groups in southern Africa and Kenya. I think it is the same when Americans refer to white people they really mean whites of northern and possibly eastern European background, at least when it comes to “white privilege” i think they do as there sure aint nothing privileged about being a Bulgarian farmer or a Portuguese ice cream seller.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Oliver Elkington

    An interesting comment, as a White South African (deliberate capital) it is a fact that the African people to the north of us, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Angola among others refer to the Bantu population as the "brown" people and are absolutely terrified of them because of their behavior. An Angolan client of mine who was a general in their armed forces was too frightened to leave his hotel room at night and had to be escorted everywhere by a White person.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed

  27. That’s not “childishness.” It’s spite. And it’s meant to be spite.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Auntie Analogue

    Spite:

    https://twitter.com/Priyaajayk/status/1272543068122755072

    (Heinous laughter from some baddy from that movie about that Schindler guy)

    Replies: @Altai

  28. anon[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neoconned
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-bans-two-websites-its-ad-platform-over-protest-articles-n1231176

    Google demonetized Zero Hedge.

    This is getting kinda serious here now. It was done based on the COMMENT SECTION.....NOT an actual article....

    Trump seriously needs to launch an anti trust investigation.....this is why the 1990s were so great.....there was actually still competition in technology.....

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @anon, @El Dato, @animalogic

    Trump should just do anti-trust? Do I live in a simulation? Are you guys NPCs or something? How can anyone type that after all we’ve seen? Clearly, the Universe is just d*cking with me at this point. Whatever I did in a previous life, I’m sorry. Totally willing to make up for it now. Please end this and give me a second chance. Shut it down.

    • Agree: botazefa
  29. white taxpayer- smart, educated, hardworking – keep none of their fruits.

    Black lazy, fat, single mum welfare queen who has never studied, worked, traded – gets all taxpayers money for her 6 kids from 6 different daddies

    Thanks, Marcus Rashford – you really are a (((whornalist quote))) ‘national treasure’

  30. The author.

    It does my heart good to see his freelance copy editing gigs result in a living space too small to swing a cat.

    On the other hand, if that’s the type of man with cultural capital in your country, then I really don’t know what to say.

  31. Be clear on this fact: white people do not come from a plethora of European countries, but a mere handful. What losers!

    This is a funny remark. CJR feel such hatred to white people that they can’t stop their sniping for one second, not even when it hurts their own argument. Since now white people are too diverse to matter (usually it’s the other way round, but whatevs), it would be to CJR’s advantage to inflate the number of countries they’re from. But that would sound…impressive, or something, and we can’t have that. So whitey doesn’t exist because they come from too many countries, and it’s not even that many countries, those losers.

    • Agree: kaganovitch
  32. white merely describes the skin color of people who can, usually without much difficulty, trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.

    Except that no one has truly white skin, just various shades of off-white.

    My Black Labrador dog looks jet black, so black that she sometimes disappears into the shadows and reflects no light at all, but even she has white skin under the black fur, so perhaps she is really a white Labrador.

    White and black are just terms that have been handed down in the English language as a shorthand way of describing what were originally two groups of people in terms of two poles that is not very accurate.

    Spanish uses a variety of terms to describe shades of skin color like moreno (=brown). The Spanish word for black is negro.

    • LOL: Coemgen
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason


    Spanish uses a variety of terms to describe shades of skin color like moreno (=brown). The Spanish word for black is negro.
     
    Wow! Spanish has “brown” and “black.” That’s a real “variety”!

    Kind of like the Eskimos and snow thing.
    , @EmailAsID
    @Jonathan Mason


    Except that no one has truly white skin, just various shades of off-white.
     
    Yeah, but "white" is close enough to convey useful information.

    My Black Labrador dog looks jet black, so black that she sometimes disappears into the shadows and reflects no light at all, but even she has white skin under the black fur, so perhaps she is really a white Labrador.
     
    You can't see her skin, so we use the more useful property to designate: fur color.

    White and black are just terms that have been handed down in the English language as a shorthand way of describing what were originally two groups of people in terms of two poles that is not very accurate.
     
    All terms in any language are handed down and are a type of shorthand. The important point is the words "white" and "black" are useful.

    Are you against the use of any categorical terms?

    , @aleksander
    @Jonathan Mason

    Tu te equivocas, amigo.


    "Moreno" is generally considered "black" in Spanish. It's pretty much a more polite way of saying "negro."

    "Triguena" would be more "brown."


    My family is from Colombia, so that's how we say down here.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Jonathan Mason

  33. That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper.

    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?
     
    Rice doesn't offer a journalism degree, and presumably didn't when Steve was there.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?
     
    Care to share your observations of the traits of a typical journalism student from that time?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Desiderius
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Gell-Mann effect.

    Endemic in Boomers.

  34. @Charlotte
    @Dave Pinsen

    Height varies tremendously among African peoples. There is no corresponding variation that I know of among Europeans to that described below.


    The Nilotic peoples of Sudan such as the Dinka have been described as the tallest in the world, with the males in some communities having average heights of 1.9 m (6 ft 3 in) and females at 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in).[75] A notable example is Manute Bol, who, at 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in), shared the record for the tallest basketball player in NBA history.[citation needed] The Dinka are characterized as having long legs, narrow bodies and short trunks, an adaptation to hot weather.[76] However, a 1995 study casts doubt on the claim of extraordinary height in Dinka, which after studying the average height of Dinka males in one location, listed the actual number as 1.76 m (5 ft 9.45 in).[77] Adult males of Pygmy people have an approximate average height of 1.5 m (4 ft 11 in).[citation needed]
     
    https://www4.stat.ncsu.edu/~osborne/st512r/sasthings/Human_height-wiki.htm

    The San (Bushmen) are now considered the oldest people on earth, having diverged about 200,000 yrs ago from other humans. From Wikipedia:

    A DNA study of fully sequenced genomes, published in September 2016, showed that the ancestors of today's San hunter-gatherers began to diverge from other human populations in Africa about 200,000 years ago and were fully isolated by 100,000 years ago, well before the first archaeological evidence of modern behaviour in humans.[58]
     

    Replies: @Oliver Elkington

    The topic of genetic and racial diversity in Africa is very complex(as it is on every continent except for Australasia and the Americas where i believe both Aborigines and Indians are believed to have evolved from small founder populations) I believe however that south of the Sahara the diversity is not especially high as i heard in a study(sadly lost the link but it would be on a genetics website) that there is less difference genetically between a Nigerian and a Zimbabwean than there is between a German and an Italian. A lot of the genetic diversity is Africa is found in the north which is truly diverse, according to the anthropologist Carleton Coon north Africans have in their ancestry Mediterranean peoples, west Asian ancestors, a small proportion of black African dna and most interestingly of all a possible connection with the Khoisan peoples who apparently also inhabited north Africa before they migrated south to where they are now, that is why some north Africans have the distinctive eye shape and skin colour associated with the Khoisan, just look at the king of Morocco for example.

  35. @Neoconned
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-bans-two-websites-its-ad-platform-over-protest-articles-n1231176

    Google demonetized Zero Hedge.

    This is getting kinda serious here now. It was done based on the COMMENT SECTION.....NOT an actual article....

    Trump seriously needs to launch an anti trust investigation.....this is why the 1990s were so great.....there was actually still competition in technology.....

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @anon, @El Dato, @animalogic

    That’s what happens when companies that are essentially advertisement resellers and pleb click & lifetime harvesters are confused with “technology companies”.

    Meanwhile:

    Vice is promoting a SPLC ‘hate map’ of Confederate monuments. This has led to violence before

    Vandalism is POP now: Popular Mechanics under fire for science-friendly advice on ‘how to topple statues’ & not hurt anyone

    Stay safe and carry something that can throw 7.62.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @El Dato

    Mentally disturbed iconoclasts. Psychologically normal people don’t feel the need to topple statues/destroy art. Even those they don’t appreciate.

    Also if only a handful of European countries are white, does that mean since by old Ben Franklin’s definition I’m not white, I can be Beige with a capital B and thus opt out of white guilt?

    Replies: @fatmanscoop

  36. @Anonymous
    What’s their ethnic designation for those with one white, and one black parent?

    Since so many Americans are mulatto, rather than a full proper Black, and mixing the two would be inarguably strengthening the white aspect, although it certainly weakens the Black aspect of any given subject.

    Would it be "colored," with a capital "C," or Mulatto with a small "M"?

    Calling people black with dramatically different skin shades seems lazy, if not a little bit fascist.

    You know, I remember an interview with Halle Berry, and when asked her ethnicity, she said, "I believe in the 'one drop' rule, so I identify as black."

    I thought, "you aren’t SUPPOSED to believe in the 'one drop rule,' you big-boobed troglodyte! That’s a white supremacist conceit, for chrissakes!"

    Anyway... I gave up on black people and their retarded liberal white "friends" making a lick of sense ages ago. It’s best to just let them tire themselves out. Black people as a whole, are just expensive to have around. That’s just the way it is.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @JMcG

    Mulatto is a term that has fallen out of favor in English, possibly because the original Spanish or Portuguese term means like a mule–neither one thing nor the other.

    I find it hard to use the word without thinking of a mule.

    • Replies: @Corn
    @Jonathan Mason

    Reminded me of a story a friend told me. I have a friend-mid 30s- who teaches at a small town high school. 2000 people in the town, 99% white.

    He was eating lunch in the teachers’ lounge one day and one of the older teachers -a lady in her 50s- said something about “a mulatto boy”.

    He said every teacher over 40 kept on eating. He said all the teachers under 40 paused and looked at each other a second.

    , @anonymous
    @Jonathan Mason

    I recall awhile back there was a local public media debate about using the word, "colored." I watched a news reporter interviewing an elderly black man who said he still used the term all the time to designate an African American of mixed heritage, and couldn't understand why people were making things so complicated. He said there was a difference between "black" and "colored," and that's why there were words for them.

    Politically, it makes sense, since the best behaving of African Americans cannot distinguish themselves from the worst behaving African Americans, and that means people can't decide that fully black people often aren't up to functioning in modern civilization like coloreds are. A distinction that was realized, and in everyone's face by the late 1860's. By that time, it was common to see mulatto women in New Orleans, dressed in fine white cotton dresses, traveling in their own horse carriages, to the chagrin of recently freed negroes. Colored people moved up the ladder pretty quickly, compared to their black contemporaries.

    Forcing colored people to be "black" was a major political move the media figured out by the late sixties, and the colored people were stupid enough to go along with it. It's a racist power play, but that's what media people in power seem to do best.

  37. @Auntie Analogue
    That's not "childishness." It's spite. And it's meant to be spite.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Spite:

    (Heinous laughter from some baddy from that movie about that Schindler guy)

    • Replies: @Altai
    @El Dato

    And yet St George didn't completely displace the indigenous population or advocate such things? Hmm...

    Almost like he is just named the patron saint of England and took on a mythical symbolic quality of something. And, lest we bring it up. St George certainly wasn't Turkish though he came from what is now Turkey. I guess the Greek Anatolians didn't welcome the Turkish refugees hard enough.

  38. It’s nice of Steve to attempt to qualify this as anything except nonsense.

    I used to think this kind of thing is clickbait, nonsense meant to gather clicks.

    But maybe we should call it childbait now, except that sounds wrong…

    Really it just seems like utter nonsense painting itself into a corner, best ignored.

    At least that’s my story and I’ll stick to it until I get sent off to the Google Gulag.

  39. Listen, I’m not Mark Twain. I’m not trying to write a novel dropping n-bombs about hairball-consulting raft jockeys.

    I’m just saying you can capitalize any variation and it will not change the facts on the ground.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Ghost of Bull Moose

    What's in a name? That which we call a Jogger
    By any other name would be as, um, problematic.

  40. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m pretty damn sure B/black people know what and who they are and will gleefully behave accordingly. Thanks for the capital B y’all faggot ass white racist pussies. The l,a,c and k are still lowercase.

  41. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oliver Elkington
    Many black people don't even regard Somalians and Ethiopians as "black" as their personalities are very different from those of west and central Africans and their facial features are more Arab even though when it comes to skin colour many are darker than Nigerians who all blacks see as "typically black" living in a city with a large Somali community i will add that there are big differences in the way they act, especially the women who are much less outgoing, basically quieter you could say they remind me much more of Indians and Arabs. Blackness it seems is simply referring to those Africans of a west African origin who speak or would have spoken one of the languages of Nigeria, Ghana or Senegal along with the closely related groups in southern Africa and Kenya. I think it is the same when Americans refer to white people they really mean whites of northern and possibly eastern European background, at least when it comes to "white privilege" i think they do as there sure aint nothing privileged about being a Bulgarian farmer or a Portuguese ice cream seller.

    Replies: @Anon

    An interesting comment, as a White South African (deliberate capital) it is a fact that the African people to the north of us, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Angola among others refer to the Bantu population as the “brown” people and are absolutely terrified of them because of their behavior. An Angolan client of mine who was a general in their armed forces was too frightened to leave his hotel room at night and had to be escorted everywhere by a White person.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon


    An interesting comment, as a White South African (deliberate capital) it is a fact that the African people to the north of us, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Angola among others refer to the Bantu population as the “brown” people and are absolutely terrified of them because of their behavior.
     
    I am confused about this comment. Are the people to the north of you not “Bantu”? Are “Bantu” people more light skinned (“brown”) than the people to the north of you?
    , @Ed
    @Anon

    Angolans are pretty black and Bantu.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  42. @Ghost of Bull Moose
    Listen, I'm not Mark Twain. I'm not trying to write a novel dropping n-bombs about hairball-consulting raft jockeys.

    I'm just saying you can capitalize any variation and it will not change the facts on the ground.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    What’s in a name? That which we call a Jogger
    By any other name would be as, um, problematic.

  43. How long before people start getting canceled for not capitalizing the b?

    Or for pronouncing it “black” and not “Black,” however it will inevitably be distinguished?

  44. When there is a timeout on “Fuck The Police” and memorials to dead policemen become desecrable holies:

    How & cold articles on RT:

    Land of woke & fury: Even with sport canceled, English ‘football fans’ are embarrassing themselves in a confused war on ‘wokeness’

    Guy Birchall British politicians and the MSM have sent a clear message to the white working class for decades: ‘You don’t matter’

  45. Most Europids, most of the time, on most parts of their bodies aren’t actually white. Similarly, most Negroids aren’t actually black-coloured. The terms ‘Black’ and ‘White’ are used to describe racial, cultural and tribal categories, especially in relation to one another. For that reason, the two words should be capitalised, in the same way ‘Latino’, ‘Anglican’ and ‘Jew’ are.

  46. Blacks come from the extremely diverse countries of Africa which number 56.

    Whites come from a handful of European countries which number … 56.

    • Thanks: bruce county
  47. How many blacks know who there father’s are?

  48. This whole lunacy will collapse unto itself. You can’t keep this for long time because you just cannot keep people from laughing, and they’ll simply laugh it off.

    • Replies: @GoRedWings!
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You can keep some people from noticing some of the time, but you cannot keep all people from noticing all of the time.
    Every step of wokeness is a step towards the collective realization that it's all not true, quite probably a calculated lie.

  49. @Dave Pinsen
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.
     
    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.
     
    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Charlotte, @animalogic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @bigdicknick

    “but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.”
    Oh, man, you’ve hit the nail on the head here. Anomie, all the way.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @animalogic


    Oh, man, you’ve hit the nail on the head here. Anomie, all the way.
     
    What do you mean by, “Anomie, all the way”?
  50. It’s pretty sensible to capitalize black if Black means African American, i.e., a descendant of American slavery. While technically a mixture of various African tribes, with a little bit of English and Scottish mixed in, Black or African American is firstly an ethno-political identity formed in the United States, unlike the much broader white American label that encompasses peoples who identify strongly with the regions of Europe from whence their ancestors came. This is why you’ll hear whites say things like, “I’m one quarter Irish, one quarter polish and one half German” but you won’t hear Blacks say, “I’m one quarter Igbo, one quarter Ashanti and one half…” whatever.

    One needn’t worry that society is heading towards a new credo of Blacks rule, whites drool. Rest easy in the knowing that the opposite will always be true, since non-black people off all stripes have more in common physically with whites/Europeans than they do with black Africans. Unlike anti-semitism, which is mostly confined to Europe and the Middle East, anti-blackness pervades the world at large, but for one tiny blip on the on the map. Moreover, it’s a great source of pride in most parts of the world. You’ll see people from all corners gleefully recount stories of their parents or grandparents cursing those wretched blacks.

    Other forms of racism exist, but are not nearly as common. Nor as dehumanizing. Those who insist otherwise are soft, to put it bluntly, and would easily fold under the hostility that blacks regularly face. To quote one writer:

    Anti-blackness covers the fact that society’s hatred of blackness, and also its gratuitous violence against black people, is complicated by its need for our existence. For example, for white people — again, better described as those who have been racialized white — the abject inhumanity of the black reinforces their whiteness, their humanness, their power, and their privilege, whether they’re aware of it or not. Black people are at once despised and also a useful counterpoint for others to measure their humanness against. In other words, while one may experience numerous compounding disadvantages, at least they’re not black.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/opinion/george-floyd-anti-blackness.html

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Slimer


    It’s pretty sensible to capitalize black if Black means African American, i.e., a descendant of American slavery.
     
    Much like the difference between:

    Big C Conservative (believes in capital punishment) vs small c conservative (believes in "first do no harm")

    Big D Democrat (advocate of tyrannical communism) vs small d democrat (advocate of "one man one vote")

    Big L Liberal (advocate of tyrannical communism) vs small l liberal (believes non-elites have natural rights)

    I much prefer the small letter concepts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  51. @Neoconned
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-bans-two-websites-its-ad-platform-over-protest-articles-n1231176

    Google demonetized Zero Hedge.

    This is getting kinda serious here now. It was done based on the COMMENT SECTION.....NOT an actual article....

    Trump seriously needs to launch an anti trust investigation.....this is why the 1990s were so great.....there was actually still competition in technology.....

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder, @anon, @El Dato, @animalogic

    I defend Google in NO way — their I.D statement should now read “just do evil”.
    However, reading Zerohedge comments one can easily imagine a gaggle of drunken clowns, skinheads & day-traders stumbling around a town square toting AK’s & AR 15’s…..

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @animalogic

    Watching CNN and reading The New York Times, one can easily imagine a gaggle of Antifags and BLM thugs stumbling around Manhattan smashing windows and looting stores.

    Ugh, the lower classes are just so gauche, aren’t they?

    Replies: @animalogic

  52. @Anonymous
    What’s their ethnic designation for those with one white, and one black parent?

    Since so many Americans are mulatto, rather than a full proper Black, and mixing the two would be inarguably strengthening the white aspect, although it certainly weakens the Black aspect of any given subject.

    Would it be "colored," with a capital "C," or Mulatto with a small "M"?

    Calling people black with dramatically different skin shades seems lazy, if not a little bit fascist.

    You know, I remember an interview with Halle Berry, and when asked her ethnicity, she said, "I believe in the 'one drop' rule, so I identify as black."

    I thought, "you aren’t SUPPOSED to believe in the 'one drop rule,' you big-boobed troglodyte! That’s a white supremacist conceit, for chrissakes!"

    Anyway... I gave up on black people and their retarded liberal white "friends" making a lick of sense ages ago. It’s best to just let them tire themselves out. Black people as a whole, are just expensive to have around. That’s just the way it is.

    Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @JMcG

    If you think they’re expensive to have around now, just wait.

  53. In response to this, Matt Walsh says: “The left has fallen headlong into a permanent state of self-parody. It really is impossible to satirize these people at this point” Cernovich on another angle: “My current favorite genre of films is when ANTIFA members tell people to call the police when people defend themselves aggressively against their attacks.” Right-wingers are pumping this witty stuff out by the yard. The common thread is a jarring lack of seriousness about the threat. Like it’s all a big joke. My feeling is that the people making wisecracks and witty observations are simply outing themselves for extremely severe punishment in the next phase of the revolution. Anonymity, VPNs and so forth will not be protective. Every site is warehousing data, and will disclose it when the woke armies come for it. Every racist will be doxxed and placed on a public registry. Jokes are very serious crimes in the woke world.

  54. This of course doesn’t consider the Scots-Irish / Borderer types that likely make up a plurality of White people in this country. These are the people most likely to identify “American” as their ethnicity. They are some combination of English, Scottish, and Irish, but nobody knows how much of each for sure.

  55. 2020 takes another strange turn, as hundreds of Orthodox Jewish kids in Lakewood NJ take to the streets to protest the closing of their day camps, chanting “No camps, no peace!” and “Kids’ lives matter!”

    https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/video-lakewood-children-take-to-the-street-in-protest.html

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @william munny

    Jews..... and camps....

    https://media.giphy.com/media/qiMbLh4WHEZyw/giphy.gif

    , @El Dato
    @william munny


    “No camps, no peace!”
     
    Anyone else would be arrested for egregious National-Socialism when chanting THAT.

    Anyway, how come movies such a "Pulp Fiction" have not been canceled yet. It's full of "N* this" and "N* that". Is it because it glorifies black "cool", sassyness and violence?
    , @ATBOTL
    @william munny

    Horrible people who are trying to chase whites out of the surrounding suburbs now. They all need to be deported to Israel.

  56. Unlike a lot of YTs come lately, I’ve been seeing this trainwreck coming for 40 years. I used to read Ebony Magazine in the 1970s and the knigrows there used to do this infantile schitt with the big B and small w. After doing it for a few years, they started capitalizing both black and white. I used to look at Jet Magazine too I forget what those khoons did.

    black stupidity and hatred has been on display to anyone who bothered to notice.

    I must say, the boogies and their handlers have done a good job in a way. The majority of white kids side with the ferals. And affirmative action infiltration of all institutions results in local govt/media monkeyshines, so to speak, that would be unthinkable 40 tyears ago. Wait till it gets real and NOI operatives working at utility companies disable the grid or poison the water. Or black cops ambush white ones. Or knigrow National Guardsmen shooting their white colleagues.

  57. @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Out of respect, in all future formal correspondence I shall capitalize the N-word.

    Replies: @AceDeuce

    LOL-let’s not go crazy, now….

    I do need to contact CJR myself, though–does “schitt skin” require a hyphen? – Asking for a friend.

  58. “Oh animal farm, oh animal farm,
    Never though me shalt thou come to harm.”

  59. @obwandiyag
    Sounds exactly like the kind of pedantic fatuous rationalizations most of the dumbass commenters on here indulge in ad infinitum.

    Replies: @Clyde, @bomag, @Anonymous, @res

    We need a FOAD button for you, ignoramus.

    • Agree: silviosilver
  60. @william munny
    2020 takes another strange turn, as hundreds of Orthodox Jewish kids in Lakewood NJ take to the streets to protest the closing of their day camps, chanting "No camps, no peace!" and "Kids' lives matter!"

    https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/video-lakewood-children-take-to-the-street-in-protest.html

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @El Dato, @ATBOTL

    Jews….. and camps….

  61. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Federalist, @anonymous

    You can say that again.

    • LOL: Kratoklastes
  62. I capitalize the “w” in “White”, and I think my rationale is that “Euro-American” conveys a closeness to Europe a lot of White Americans don’t feel in an explicit way. “Caucasian” seems dated, obscure, a term for specialists. Plus, “White” is used commonly by both educated Whites and Blacks in fairly unambiguous, non-pejorative ways, despite the sloppiness of having some Blacks with lighter skin tones than some Whites.

    So, I capitalize the “w”, because “Euro-American”, “Caucasian”, or “XYZ-American” (hyphenate Americans) don’t seem to work, and capitalizing the “w” in “White” seemed justified for clarity and to recognize its rough equivalency with those other terms (including “Black”) that use initial caps.

  63. OT: Just completed a drive from southern Florida to NYC. Did not see a single state trooper patrol car, no one stopped for speeding, during the entire drive. My guess is that governors no longer want highway police to stop cars. Eliminate the possibility of a stop escalating into a someone shot incident. As for speeding, we could see speed cameras on the highway soon. You will get your ticket in the mail.

  64. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:

    Get a load of this one, Steve:

  65. Stories of Black crime (as opposed to black crime) will still be suppressed and/ or censored.

    #blackcrimematters

  66. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    white merely describes the skin color of people who can, usually without much difficulty, trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.
     
    Except that no one has truly white skin, just various shades of off-white.

    My Black Labrador dog looks jet black, so black that she sometimes disappears into the shadows and reflects no light at all, but even she has white skin under the black fur, so perhaps she is really a white Labrador.

    White and black are just terms that have been handed down in the English language as a shorthand way of describing what were originally two groups of people in terms of two poles that is not very accurate.

    Spanish uses a variety of terms to describe shades of skin color like moreno (=brown). The Spanish word for black is negro.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @EmailAsID, @aleksander

    Spanish uses a variety of terms to describe shades of skin color like moreno (=brown). The Spanish word for black is negro.

    Wow! Spanish has “brown” and “black.” That’s a real “variety”!

    Kind of like the Eskimos and snow thing.

  67. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Federalist, @anonymous

    There must be an echo in here.

  68. @obwandiyag
    Sounds exactly like the kind of pedantic fatuous rationalizations most of the dumbass commenters on here indulge in ad infinitum.

    Replies: @Clyde, @bomag, @Anonymous, @res

    …most of the dumbass commenters on here

    The non-dumbass commenters are okay.

  69. @Jonathan Mason

    white merely describes the skin color of people who can, usually without much difficulty, trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.
     
    Except that no one has truly white skin, just various shades of off-white.

    My Black Labrador dog looks jet black, so black that she sometimes disappears into the shadows and reflects no light at all, but even she has white skin under the black fur, so perhaps she is really a white Labrador.

    White and black are just terms that have been handed down in the English language as a shorthand way of describing what were originally two groups of people in terms of two poles that is not very accurate.

    Spanish uses a variety of terms to describe shades of skin color like moreno (=brown). The Spanish word for black is negro.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @EmailAsID, @aleksander

    Except that no one has truly white skin, just various shades of off-white.

    Yeah, but “white” is close enough to convey useful information.

    My Black Labrador dog looks jet black, so black that she sometimes disappears into the shadows and reflects no light at all, but even she has white skin under the black fur, so perhaps she is really a white Labrador.

    You can’t see her skin, so we use the more useful property to designate: fur color.

    White and black are just terms that have been handed down in the English language as a shorthand way of describing what were originally two groups of people in terms of two poles that is not very accurate.

    All terms in any language are handed down and are a type of shorthand. The important point is the words “white” and “black” are useful.

    Are you against the use of any categorical terms?

  70. The irony is that these same journalists openly state that they will never capitalize white, because “white supremacists” are the ones who want to do so.

    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @countenance

    "white supremacists"; start using "white enthusiasts" instead

  71. … Per this understanding, it is a kind of orthographic injustice to lowercase the B: to do so is to perpetuate the iniquity of an institution that uprooted people from the most ethnically diverse place on the planet

    Well by that logic, they should be calling American blacks Bantus.

    Failing that, how about we just go back to calling them “Negroes” with a capital “N”?

  72. Capitalizing black and leaving white uncapitalized is not childishness, nor is it spite. It is a submission to the ascendant ideology of left-anti-whiteness or LAW.

    LAW is on the rise in all of our institutions. If a backlash does not occur soon, then we all better get with the program or else we will lose our jobs, be de-platformed, be shunned socially and, eventually, be sent to reeducation camps.

  73. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    Well they called “Black” and “white” ethnicities because they don’t want to admit that race exists. So they end up appropriating a term that already applies to something else. English and German are ethnicities. White, capitalized or not, is a race.

    And blacks may be vaguely more diverse, genetically, but whites are far more diverse in any meaningful sense. Compare 100 random blacks to 100 random whites and the whites will show much more diversity in terms of education, profession, upbringing (e.g., poor vs rich, rural vs. urban), religion, political beliefs, musical and other cultural preferences, and pretty much anything else.

    I can only imagine the arguments that might have gone on behind the scenes while hashing this out. I say might because I’m pretty damn sure whites are done right now fighting with blacks over any ridiculous demand they want, and tbat the whites at CJR just rolled over without saying anything at all. Either whites let them have it because they’re entitled because of “racism,” or they just know they won’t win. Any white at CJR who might have thought about fighting against capitalizing the “B” damn well knows they would have been cancelled.

    This is one of the reasons the Left keeps pushing for diversity on boards of directors, etc. Once you sneak a few blacks in anywhere they pretty much end up running the show with their stupid demands because no one wants to offend them.

  74. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @Art Deco, @Kratoklastes

    “there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.”

    Maybe one of the real genomics experts will correct me, but I think this Africa-has-most-genetic-diversity meme is really just an artifact of the highly outlying Bushman and Pygmy people [or whatever the new, politically correct names for them are]. Most African-Americans (indeed most of the global black African diaspora) are overwhelmingly descended from the Bantu tribes of West Africa, and so are not very genetically diverse, except inasmuch as they have some slight Bushman or Pygmy admixture.

    In the recent Jet Age, South Africans with higher Bushman admixture and East African with Arab admixture have started to exit Africa as well, but the truly genetically divergent (“diverse”) people—the Bushmen and Pygmies—are still largely interior African people.

  75. Ethnic and national descriptive words should vary in size according to their respective loudness.

    “The BLACKS and ITALIANS argued, while the ˢʷᵉᵈᵉˢ and ʲᵃᵖᵃⁿᵉˢᵉ kept quiet”

    • Agree: GoRedWings!
  76. @Warner
    They also said at the very beginning of the sentence, that they were referring to racial groups. Therefore, the word is not about skin, but a racial group. They JUST said so in their explanation!!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Hypnotoad666, @Forbes, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    Good catch. I missed that.

    My official excuse is that I was only one sip into my first cup of coffee.

  77. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    ‘Handful’. There’s that passive aggressive snark bleeding into something they’re trying to make objective. There were about 45 countries in Europe last time I checked. And plenty of MENA, South American and Asian countries where all or most of the population would be classed as ‘white’ based on skin colour. Is this another example of America’s cosmopolitan elite not being very knowledgeable about the outside world?

    Umm, aren’t these two things the same?

    Black is an ethnic designation; white merely describes the skin color of people who can trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.

    So, am I to understand from that clarification that ‘Black’ refers to those who trace their ancestry to those slaves brought to what is now the United States? (Which is a smaller area geographically than where the bulk of America’s European ancestry comes from.) And who became a distinct population and ethnicity over time though they were composed of many different Bantu populations and possess significant European and some Amerindian ancestry. It doesn’t refer to any persons of sub-Saharan ancestry whose ancestors or themselves came to the US otherwise. Barack Obama isn’t really African-American and so is he ‘black’ but not ‘Black’? Obviously from the logic above the president of Nigeria is ‘black’ but not ‘Black’. But would he become ‘Black’ if he moved to the US? Does he need to become a US citizen?

    Is Eric Holder ‘Black’? Is Rhianna ‘Black’? Neither is really ‘African-American’ (Though both are descended from people brought to the Americas in the slave trade) in the same way that somebody whose parents moved to the US from Ireland in the last 20 years isn’t really Irish-American in the ethnic sense of belonging to that community that emerged from the great wave of Irish immigration and which has it’s own history and concentration in certain areas.

    I’m not critiquing the logic, I think all the examples I gave are correct. But given that recent immigrants make up a larger proportion of the ‘black’ population than the ‘white’ population in the US, (I think it’s around 10% which is actually shocking) isn’t this something that needs to be clarified?

  78. I guess this is what a journalism review must do when there is no longer any actual journalism to review.

  79. Probable scenario: ten whites, two Blacks, and three Asians at the Columbia Journalism Review.

    The two Blacks show up at the editorial staff meeting with this already written, almost exactly as is.

    Seven or eight of the whites and two of the Asians think it’s insane, but all are afraid to say anything because they know any objection will get them immediately cancelled for life, thrown under the bus by anyone on staff who wants their slightly more impressive title and their cubicle two spaces closer to the coffee machine and three spaces further away from the stinky, gender neutral bathroom.

    One of the Asians – probably an Indian – is happy with it, though, because he likes anything that encourages Blacks to hate whites.

    Unwilling to challenge the two Black staff members on substance, one white guy – the newest staff member – a good little liberal from somewhere in Idaho – meekly raises his hand to note that there are exactly 73 errors in spelling and grammar. One of the black staff members bursts out in tears, and the other goes into an angry rant before breaking the coffee mug of the girl next to him and then storming out. A white girl sitting next to Idaho guy, who feels sorry for him, decides to back him up, insisting they need to correct all the errors, while suggesting they throw in two more sentences on systemic racism. Remaining black girl, through her tears, says it needs another two paragraphs on systemic racism and one on cultural appropriation. Everyone quickly agrees and the meeting is adjourned.

    • LOL: Dissident
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Wilkey


    meekly raises his hand to note that there are exactly 73 errors in spelling and grammar
     
    That's why we have Grammarly

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjBPnIXK60U

    It helps everyone sitting in the luxurious "maker" spaces, even nonoffensivewhites (i.e. the guy who looks like Wikus van de Merwe)

  80. @william munny
    2020 takes another strange turn, as hundreds of Orthodox Jewish kids in Lakewood NJ take to the streets to protest the closing of their day camps, chanting "No camps, no peace!" and "Kids' lives matter!"

    https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/video-lakewood-children-take-to-the-street-in-protest.html

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @El Dato, @ATBOTL

    “No camps, no peace!”

    Anyone else would be arrested for egregious National-Socialism when chanting THAT.

    Anyway, how come movies such a “Pulp Fiction” have not been canceled yet. It’s full of “N* this” and “N* that”. Is it because it glorifies black “cool”, sassyness and violence?

  81. @Wilkey
    Probable scenario: ten whites, two Blacks, and three Asians at the Columbia Journalism Review.

    The two Blacks show up at the editorial staff meeting with this already written, almost exactly as is.

    Seven or eight of the whites and two of the Asians think it’s insane, but all are afraid to say anything because they know any objection will get them immediately cancelled for life, thrown under the bus by anyone on staff who wants their slightly more impressive title and their cubicle two spaces closer to the coffee machine and three spaces further away from the stinky, gender neutral bathroom.

    One of the Asians - probably an Indian - is happy with it, though, because he likes anything that encourages Blacks to hate whites.

    Unwilling to challenge the two Black staff members on substance, one white guy - the newest staff member - a good little liberal from somewhere in Idaho - meekly raises his hand to note that there are exactly 73 errors in spelling and grammar. One of the black staff members bursts out in tears, and the other goes into an angry rant before breaking the coffee mug of the girl next to him and then storming out. A white girl sitting next to Idaho guy, who feels sorry for him, decides to back him up, insisting they need to correct all the errors, while suggesting they throw in two more sentences on systemic racism. Remaining black girl, through her tears, says it needs another two paragraphs on systemic racism and one on cultural appropriation. Everyone quickly agrees and the meeting is adjourned.

    Replies: @El Dato

    meekly raises his hand to note that there are exactly 73 errors in spelling and grammar

    That’s why we have Grammarly

    It helps everyone sitting in the luxurious “maker” spaces, even nonoffensivewhites (i.e. the guy who looks like Wikus van de Merwe)

  82. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @El Dato
    @Auntie Analogue

    Spite:

    https://twitter.com/Priyaajayk/status/1272543068122755072

    (Heinous laughter from some baddy from that movie about that Schindler guy)

    Replies: @Altai

    And yet St George didn’t completely displace the indigenous population or advocate such things? Hmm…

    Almost like he is just named the patron saint of England and took on a mythical symbolic quality of something. And, lest we bring it up. St George certainly wasn’t Turkish though he came from what is now Turkey. I guess the Greek Anatolians didn’t welcome the Turkish refugees hard enough.

  83. @Warner
    They also said at the very beginning of the sentence, that they were referring to racial groups. Therefore, the word is not about skin, but a racial group. They JUST said so in their explanation!!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Hypnotoad666, @Forbes, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    You nailed it. It is actually kind of fascinating how much self-refuting stupidity and bias can be packed into so few words. Bravo, Columbia Journalism Review!

  84. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:
    @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @Art Deco, @Kratoklastes

    I think “Black” actually is meant to refer to an ethnic group. We are talking about U.S. standard Negros, in other words. Is Ilhan Omar of The Black? Not really; she looks more like a Eurabian fashion model of the 90s period. Barack Obama was half-black but not even 10% Black.

    Was Roberto Clemente an ordained Black, or just black?

  85. According to CJR, Black is ADOS? I’ve never heard that usage before. According to their definition, Obama is not Black, given that he has no ancestral connection to slavery in the Americas. Is Obama black? The son of a black man? Is Kamala Harris black or Black? She is not ADOS, but she has some ancestry, perhaps a quarter or so, from blacks whose ancestors were slaves.

    I’m guessing CJR didn’t really think this through.

  86. @silviosilver
    Calling it "childishness" is a bit of a cope though. Seems like an awful lot of cultural clout, if you ask me.

    Replies: @Percy Gryce

    An absolute monarch can act childishly and petulantly. Steve is talking motives and not quantity of cultural power–although acting in that way can decrease one’s cultural power.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Percy Gryce

    I don't disagree with that, but attempting to place the emphasis on its "childish" aspects is still a cope.

    I much prefer to live in a civilized society in which we strongly proscribe resolving interpersonal disputes with violence. When people do resort to violence, we rightly regard them as "uncivilized" [er, at least we used to, anyway]. However, if you, personally, are on the losing end of the violence, then calling the winner "uncivilized" is both accurate and a cope. "It doesn't matter that I was just humiliated, because that other pig - he's uncivilized." It's a cope. And it's also true.

  87. That nonexplanation explanation makes it worse.

    “Better to remain silent and appear foolish than to speak and remove all doubt.”

  88. @Lagertha
    The non-Christian whites are really showing their colors and their allegiance.

    Replies: @Dissident, @Morris Applebaum IV

    The non-Christian whites are really showing their colors and their allegiance.

    https://www.cjr.org/about_us/masthead.php
    Some of the listed names:
    Kyle ((Pope))
    ((Ravi Somaiya))
    Brendan ((Fitzgerald));Jon ((Allsop));Camille ((Bromley));((Akintunde Ahmad));Michael ((Murphy));Jelani ((Cobb));Terry ((McDonell)); Dave ((Scially))

    [MORE]

  89. @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Mulatto is a term that has fallen out of favor in English, possibly because the original Spanish or Portuguese term means like a mule--neither one thing nor the other.

    I find it hard to use the word without thinking of a mule.

    Replies: @Corn, @anonymous

    Reminded me of a story a friend told me. I have a friend-mid 30s- who teaches at a small town high school. 2000 people in the town, 99% white.

    He was eating lunch in the teachers’ lounge one day and one of the older teachers -a lady in her 50s- said something about “a mulatto boy”.

    He said every teacher over 40 kept on eating. He said all the teachers under 40 paused and looked at each other a second.

  90. So when I’m texting privately with my friends about the blacks should I use a capital N?

  91. @countenance
    The irony is that these same journalists openly state that they will never capitalize white, because "white supremacists" are the ones who want to do so.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico

    “white supremacists”; start using “white enthusiasts” instead

  92. “It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool. That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper.”

    I see Mr. Sailer is doubling down. This debate has actually been ongoing for a decade. He is just honoring how the NYT purposely omits certain important information.

    In the early 1900’s, NAACP co-founder W.E.B. Du Bois made a plea to American media outlets. He called for the word “negro” be capitalized, as he found “the use of a small letter for the name of twelve million Americans and two hundred million human beings a personal insult”. Slowly but surely, newspapers and magazines updated its stylebook to capitalize “Negro”, and “black” became the generally accepted term.

    Here is a blogpost NOTICING this phenomenon in 2012 with one of Mr. Sailer’s favorite subjects (snicker snack). Perhaps he will capitalize on the observations in a future post.

    https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/black-is-not-a-color/

    At a glance I didn’t think that was Black Hair. Seems like a good time to bring up the old schoolyard debate point: Black is not a color.

    In many quarters, such as the those administered under the rules of the Chicago Manual of Style, black is a color, which means it’s not capitalized:

    8.39 Color. Common designations of ethnic groups by color are usually lowercased unless a particular publisher or author prefers otherwise… (black people; blacks; people of color; white people; whites)

    That rule, from the 16th edition, is progress from the 15th, which said “capitalization may be appropriate if the writer strongly prefers it” (8.43, emphasis added). Under that older provision in 1996, the journal Signs required that I add a footnote in my first journal publication, which read, “I … capitalize Black to signify its reference to a people rather than a color or a ‘race.’”

    http://dcentric.wamu.org/2011/10/when-to-capatalize-black-and-white/index.html

    From the comments section (Troy Johnson)

    Funny, this comes up a lot. I’ve adopted the same convention on my website
    http://aalbc.com. I freely admit however that my logic for adopting this convention is flawed. Black and white are adjectives (even though no one on this earth is actually the color black or white) and should not be capitalized.

    The definition of “Black” is so nebulous, in 2011, that it is a virtually useless term, as the subject of Touré’s book seems to imply. In any event, the two sloppy terms should be treated the same. Generally Black is capitalized to elevate “Blackness” to demote “whiteness” a subtle dig.

    From 2011…

    https://amastyleinsider.com/2011/10/17/questions-from-users-of-the-manual-7/

    Q: I am a medical writer (and writer, in general) and have always questioned the use of the lowercase “b” in the word “blacks.” The “w” in “Whites” is normally capitalized when talking about that population. Although this question is not limited to the AMA Manual of Style, how might I go about getting it changed so that the “b” in “blacks” is also capitalized, for consistency?

    A: You will have noticed that in section 11.10.2 of the manual we do not use intial caps on either “white” or “black.” Webster’s 11th seems to follow this policy also, as you will find definitions related to both races presented without initial caps. I also checked the Chicago Manual and, in section 8.39, they indicate a similar policy. “Common designation of ethnic groups by color are usually lowercased unless a particular publisher or author prefers otherwise.” So, there does seem to be consensus among this small sampling, but it is in the direction of using initial lowercase letters rather than initial caps for these terms.

    From DIEversity Style Guide…

    https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/glossary/white-white/

    The National Association of Black Journalists does not capitalize Black in its publications, including the NABJ Style Guide. Many of the terms related to Black and White people in The Diversity Style Guide come from 100 Questions & Answers About African Americans. The team that put together that guide decided to capitalize Black and White, according to editor Joe Grimm. After much research and consideration, the editor of The Diversity Style Guide elected to capitalize Black and White when used in a racial context, but most would say it’s not incorrect to lowercase those words.

    On a related matter, Mr. Saiker, is this situation akin to “More Fun and Games with Telephoto Lenses” and directly related to “childishness”? Asking for a friend. He requests you do not be cagey, but I told him that is asking for too much.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media/seattle-fox-news-autonomous-zone-protest/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-06-13T18%3A12%3A02&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link

    • Replies: @Alfa158
    @Corvinus

    Thank you for the paragraphs of misdirection.
    Let’s stick to subject of Steve’s post.
    Steve posted a screen cap of a CJR Tweet that said , when referring to people, Black will be capitalized but White will be lower case because Black people are real but there is no such thing as “White” people.
    Is that a real tweet by the CJR, or isn’t it, and if it’s real, what does that tell us about America’s most prestigious school of Journalism?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @El Dato
    @Corvinus

    Why not go back to Negro then?

    Seriously, what's wrong with it?

    Arabs are still Arabs. Asians are still Asians. Slavs are still Slavs.

    They don't need a marketing do-over every 10-20 years.


    New York (CNN Business)Fox News published digitally altered and misleading images on its website's homepage Friday that made a demonstration in Seattle, in which a group of largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters have occupied six city blocks, appear violent and dangerous.

     

    CNN says someone is enhancing the truth!

    smug.jpg
  93. That same guy wrote an incorrect article about opioids vs opiates.

    But I also prefer the word “opiate”, not because I don’t know what the words mean, but because “opioid” makes me think of an Opie Taylor humanoid.

  94. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:

    TFW you have no racism to root out in your organisation so you plan to break millions of lines of code worldwide in order to be seen to be ‘doing something’.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Altai

    We have passed the Onion Singularity some time ago.

    In 3 years, it will be impossible to publish source that has not been declared "POLITICALLY CORRECT" by some HR commissars (who also identify as deer) on a Microsoft/Google/Twitter/Amazon transnational panel.

    Come to think of it, "Google" sounds suspiciously like "Gook". And "Amazon" is sexually demeaning to corporeally deficient transgenders. Recommending renaming to "Analzone".

    , @AnonAnon
    @Altai

    Master/slave has already been replaced at the college level in California, though I can’t recall if my son was taught primary/replica as the replacement term since that isn’t really the correct relationship. Other problematic engineering terms on the chopping block: “white hat/black hat” & “whitelist/blacklist.”

  95. Negritos, Papuans, and some Indians look black. Not Nilotic, but about as dark as some West Africans.

  96. @Lot
    “ white merely describes the skin color of people who can trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries”

    A handful? Sorry Portugal, Finland and Greece!

    Or could the Columbia Journalism Review be thinking of this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUJKXs6W-4

    Replies: @Corvinus

    It’s Moops, Not Moors.

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  97. @Change that Matters
    The comments on that tweet are not running CJR's way.

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @J.Ross

    The comments on that tweet are not running CJR’s way.

    I dare say! Perhaps there’s hope after all.

    One would think a majority of CJR readers would be left-leaning liberals, toeing the PC-line.
    The comments suggest that maybe, just maybe, the idealism is starting to wear thin – even among the anointed.

    To quote Scott Adams “One of my rules-of-thumb is that anything that can’t be explained with normal words is bullshit.” – Well, the screed on CJR’s homepage speaks for itself…

    CJR’s mission is to be the intellectual leader in the rapidly changing world of journalism. It is the most respected voice on press criticism, and it shapes the ideas that make media leaders and journalists smarter about their work. Through its fast-turn analysis and deep reporting, CJR is an essential venue not just for journalists, but also for the thousands of professionals in communications, technology, academia, and other fields reliant on solid media industry knowledge.

  98. They’re finally starting to see the problem with “African”: only part of Africa is indigenous black people. All of Europe is indigenous white people.

  99. I wonder if they’re going to capitalize Yellow?

    • Replies: @bruce county
    @Foreign Expert

    We are heading towards an all caps era...Solves all the problems.

  100. ES says:

    People of Whiteness. POWs! Or is that acronym already taken?

    people of blackness. pobS!

    Melanin challenged. That sounds like a handicap disability.

    What’s the difference again between “Colored People” and “People of Color”? Which one gets you fired?

    Has the NAACP changed its name yet to the National Association for the Advancement of African-Americans (NAAAA, or NAAA-A)? Or better yet, the American Association for the Advancement of African-Americans–that would get them listed first in the phone book (AAAAA).

  101. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way to easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    Let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Alfa158

    I have a friend who works in marketing and has a degree in journalism from what was considered to be a conservative leaning university. He told me that even decades ago, journalism schools taught their students that the role of the journalist is to improve society and make the world a better place. That meant pushing stories that promote the right policies and train the population to believe the right things. Truth is whatever is Good. If something happens to be factually true, well that’s just a bonus, but “truth” cannot be allowed to undermine the more important underlying “Truths”.
    Imagine what a place like Columbia in the year 2020 must be like.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Alfa158

    Dunno. I do recall seeing assessments in print by working editors to the effect that j-school graduates perform no better on the job than do English majors. Institutes of higher education seem to have generated and maintained an array of junior grade occupational schools that traffic in BS credentials as a matter of course - e.g. faculties in teacher training, social work, library administration, and journalism or communications. I suppose there are some valid training programs somewhere, but it seems in these realms that the whole concept is off (and sometimes the whole trade is off, propped up by public expenditure).

  102. @Corvinus
    "It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool. That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper."

    I see Mr. Sailer is doubling down. This debate has actually been ongoing for a decade. He is just honoring how the NYT purposely omits certain important information.

    In the early 1900's, NAACP co-founder W.E.B. Du Bois made a plea to American media outlets. He called for the word “negro” be capitalized, as he found “the use of a small letter for the name of twelve million Americans and two hundred million human beings a personal insult”. Slowly but surely, newspapers and magazines updated its stylebook to capitalize "Negro", and "black" became the generally accepted term.

    Here is a blogpost NOTICING this phenomenon in 2012 with one of Mr. Sailer's favorite subjects (snicker snack). Perhaps he will capitalize on the observations in a future post.

    https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/black-is-not-a-color/


    At a glance I didn’t think that was Black Hair. Seems like a good time to bring up the old schoolyard debate point: Black is not a color.

    In many quarters, such as the those administered under the rules of the Chicago Manual of Style, black is a color, which means it’s not capitalized:

    8.39 Color. Common designations of ethnic groups by color are usually lowercased unless a particular publisher or author prefers otherwise… (black people; blacks; people of color; white people; whites)

    That rule, from the 16th edition, is progress from the 15th, which said “capitalization may be appropriate if the writer strongly prefers it” (8.43, emphasis added). Under that older provision in 1996, the journal Signs required that I add a footnote in my first journal publication, which read, “I … capitalize Black to signify its reference to a people rather than a color or a ‘race.'”
     

    http://dcentric.wamu.org/2011/10/when-to-capatalize-black-and-white/index.html

    From the comments section (Troy Johnson)


    Funny, this comes up a lot. I’ve adopted the same convention on my website
    http://aalbc.com. I freely admit however that my logic for adopting this convention is flawed. Black and white are adjectives (even though no one on this earth is actually the color black or white) and should not be capitalized.

    The definition of “Black” is so nebulous, in 2011, that it is a virtually useless term, as the subject of Touré’s book seems to imply. In any event, the two sloppy terms should be treated the same. Generally Black is capitalized to elevate “Blackness” to demote “whiteness” a subtle dig.
     

    From 2011...

    https://amastyleinsider.com/2011/10/17/questions-from-users-of-the-manual-7/


    Q: I am a medical writer (and writer, in general) and have always questioned the use of the lowercase “b” in the word “blacks.” The “w” in “Whites” is normally capitalized when talking about that population. Although this question is not limited to the AMA Manual of Style, how might I go about getting it changed so that the “b” in “blacks” is also capitalized, for consistency?

    A: You will have noticed that in section 11.10.2 of the manual we do not use intial caps on either “white” or “black.” Webster’s 11th seems to follow this policy also, as you will find definitions related to both races presented without initial caps. I also checked the Chicago Manual and, in section 8.39, they indicate a similar policy. “Common designation of ethnic groups by color are usually lowercased unless a particular publisher or author prefers otherwise.” So, there does seem to be consensus among this small sampling, but it is in the direction of using initial lowercase letters rather than initial caps for these terms.
     

    From DIEversity Style Guide...

    https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/glossary/white-white/

    The National Association of Black Journalists does not capitalize Black in its publications, including the NABJ Style Guide. Many of the terms related to Black and White people in The Diversity Style Guide come from 100 Questions & Answers About African Americans. The team that put together that guide decided to capitalize Black and White, according to editor Joe Grimm. After much research and consideration, the editor of The Diversity Style Guide elected to capitalize Black and White when used in a racial context, but most would say it’s not incorrect to lowercase those words.
     

    On a related matter, Mr. Saiker, is this situation akin to "More Fun and Games with Telephoto Lenses" and directly related to "childishness"? Asking for a friend. He requests you do not be cagey, but I told him that is asking for too much.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media/seattle-fox-news-autonomous-zone-protest/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-06-13T18%3A12%3A02&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link

    Replies: @Alfa158, @El Dato

    Thank you for the paragraphs of misdirection.
    Let’s stick to subject of Steve’s post.
    Steve posted a screen cap of a CJR Tweet that said , when referring to people, Black will be capitalized but White will be lower case because Black people are real but there is no such thing as “White” people.
    Is that a real tweet by the CJR, or isn’t it, and if it’s real, what does that tell us about America’s most prestigious school of Journalism?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "Thank you for the paragraphs of misdirection."

    You mean paragraphs of context to provide direction.

    "Let’s stick to subject of Steve’s post."

    Indeed. The sources I linked to demonstrate a wide range of views on the matter. CJR's position is one of many differences of opinion.

    "Is that a real tweet by the CJR, or isn’t it, and if it’s real, what does that tell us about America’s most prestigious school of Journalism?"

    It's UNREAL. The fact of the matter is that black and white are racial distinctions, with each consisting of different ethnic groups who fall within that category.

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily. Recall that the 1800 and 1900’s race group divisions were based on skin color and physical appearance according to scientists, and then divided into white, black, yellow, and red. Then scientists stated there were more gradient subtypes based on other characteristics. Where is this line drawn between “the races”? Does it not lead to a potential fractioning all the way down to the individual? Think about it. Attempts to divide humanity into race has used as few as three, then up to more than thirty. Humans have been migrating back and forth across the continents for over 200,000 years. Genetic traits have been mixed and remixed over and over. So it really boils down to how many races of humans exist depends on one’s meaning of the word…race.

    Some would argue that racial identity is other than relevant. They state the most notable problem currently in our world is that we are cogs in a globalized capitalist structure It is suggested this system will eventually collapse and we will made into mincemeat. The solution? Divorce ourselves from this “homo economicus” conception of the human race.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alfa158

  103. “Childishness” is an excellent description, because we really ARE dealing with people who may have physically matured but whose collective emotional, not to mention intellectual, behavior is more appropriate to that of a pre-teen. But there’s only one problem: the Powers That Be who wield the megaphone these days let them shout through it.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  104. @Dave Pinsen
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.
     
    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.
     
    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Charlotte, @animalogic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @bigdicknick

    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    There’s an insoluble paradox about the establishment’s dictates about whites – on the one hand, they’re not a cohesive group; on the other hand, all whites share moral responsibility for oppression of non-whites. It’s acceptable to proclaim that you hate whites, while it’s not acceptable to say that “it’s ok to be white.”

    The establishment such as it is has begun the inevitable course of events which ends in whites thinking of themselves as a cohesive interest group even if negatively defined as “the group whom all other groups blame for the world’s ills.” The only question is whether this happens before or after whites become a mere plurality of the population, overcome in raw numbers by the collection of nonwhites.

  105. @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper.
     
    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @anonymous, @Desiderius

    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?

    Rice doesn’t offer a journalism degree, and presumably didn’t when Steve was there.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @ben tillman

    That explains it then, Ben. I've seen it up close, and it was not pretty. The only students dumber (in general) were in something called "General Studies".

  106. Aunt Jemima has been sent to the big planta … uhh … buried at sea!

    https://www.rt.com/usa/492143-pepsico-dropping-aunt-jemima/

    Cringeworthy WokeSpeak:

    “We are starting by removing the image and changing the name,” said Kristin Kroepfl, vice president and chief marketing officer of Quaker Foods NA, PepsiCo’s subsidiary, in a press release.

    “We will continue the conversation by gathering diverse perspectives from both our organization and the Black community to further evolve the brand and make it one everyone can be proud to have in their pantry,” she added.

    I’m proud to have Aunt Jemima in my pantry, and so should you!

    “We recognize Aunt Jemima’s origins are based on a racial stereotype,” Kroepfl said. “While work has been done over the years to update the brand in a manner intended to be appropriate and respectful, we realize those changes are not enough.”

    Indeed. Let this be a lesson for you. Now make sure Aunt Jemima personally endorses Biden as her last message.

  107. Next steps in virtue signalling – there’s always a next step.

    Okay, we’re going to capitalize the “b” in Black people. But is that enough?

    Next, we’ll italicize the “b”, and that gets us to Black people.

    Even better, we’ll boldface the “b”, and now we have Black people.

    Both is better than either, and that gets us to Black people.

    I have one more thought.

    How about Black people? Whoops, it turns out Unz doesn’t recognize the font tag, which can be applied to individual letters. It worked on the preview, but not on the final.

    Thought I had something there.

  108. Wow. I am rarely surprised by the childlike idiocy of the youthful Outer Party contingent. But this is shocking. Such buffoonery actually embarrasses me on their behalf.

  109. It is a question that I’ve raised on Unz time and time again: why does anyone agree to be “white”?

    Even in the off chance you have made a personal decision to make race your identity – what you mean by “white” isn’t likely to be what most people who label you white mean, so why dignify it? Why hand them the ammunition?

    Your agreement to identify this way is where bestsellers like “White Fragility” come from. “Bearer of ill will – here, let me give you this ammo and, here, I’ve got some good cartridges too”.

    Of course one inch under the covers is the driver behind this is government mandates on racial reporting, mostly for employment purposes, which until now has been the key vehicle of the racial spoils system in this country.

    Steve Sailer has said that on a close review of that system (which divides us into white, black, Asian/Pacific Islander, Native American, white-with-Hispanic-ethnicity) that it’s “good enough for government work”.

    Maybe – but from the looks of the new adjudicators of English – seems we’re getting a rev 3 whether we like it or not, so maybe it’s time to assert a role in the sausage-remake?

    Otherwise I think this is all part of a bigger thing: leaders are bargaining. They see the peasants have taken pitchforks and are massing (more accurately: one tribe has gone to the streets and to stay on the safe side of the thrusting fist many in number of other tribes have joined them). Unable to (a) stand on the strength of a strong center and repudiate the upstart tribes excessive demands and even more so (b) unwilling to countenance a war … leaders/adjudicators are bargaining the terms of the race spoils system offering something, anything, to convince the demonstrators to go home and get the rest of us back to a respite of “peace”.

    We had better find a way to gird up -a-. That’s what this really is about.

  110. CJR is still in business? I do recall they used to devote one page — The Lower Case — to hilarious newspaper screwups. Now you’d need the whole 32 pages or however many pages they manage to scrape up each month.

  111. @Corvinus
    "It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool. That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper."

    I see Mr. Sailer is doubling down. This debate has actually been ongoing for a decade. He is just honoring how the NYT purposely omits certain important information.

    In the early 1900's, NAACP co-founder W.E.B. Du Bois made a plea to American media outlets. He called for the word “negro” be capitalized, as he found “the use of a small letter for the name of twelve million Americans and two hundred million human beings a personal insult”. Slowly but surely, newspapers and magazines updated its stylebook to capitalize "Negro", and "black" became the generally accepted term.

    Here is a blogpost NOTICING this phenomenon in 2012 with one of Mr. Sailer's favorite subjects (snicker snack). Perhaps he will capitalize on the observations in a future post.

    https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/black-is-not-a-color/


    At a glance I didn’t think that was Black Hair. Seems like a good time to bring up the old schoolyard debate point: Black is not a color.

    In many quarters, such as the those administered under the rules of the Chicago Manual of Style, black is a color, which means it’s not capitalized:

    8.39 Color. Common designations of ethnic groups by color are usually lowercased unless a particular publisher or author prefers otherwise… (black people; blacks; people of color; white people; whites)

    That rule, from the 16th edition, is progress from the 15th, which said “capitalization may be appropriate if the writer strongly prefers it” (8.43, emphasis added). Under that older provision in 1996, the journal Signs required that I add a footnote in my first journal publication, which read, “I … capitalize Black to signify its reference to a people rather than a color or a ‘race.'”
     

    http://dcentric.wamu.org/2011/10/when-to-capatalize-black-and-white/index.html

    From the comments section (Troy Johnson)


    Funny, this comes up a lot. I’ve adopted the same convention on my website
    http://aalbc.com. I freely admit however that my logic for adopting this convention is flawed. Black and white are adjectives (even though no one on this earth is actually the color black or white) and should not be capitalized.

    The definition of “Black” is so nebulous, in 2011, that it is a virtually useless term, as the subject of Touré’s book seems to imply. In any event, the two sloppy terms should be treated the same. Generally Black is capitalized to elevate “Blackness” to demote “whiteness” a subtle dig.
     

    From 2011...

    https://amastyleinsider.com/2011/10/17/questions-from-users-of-the-manual-7/


    Q: I am a medical writer (and writer, in general) and have always questioned the use of the lowercase “b” in the word “blacks.” The “w” in “Whites” is normally capitalized when talking about that population. Although this question is not limited to the AMA Manual of Style, how might I go about getting it changed so that the “b” in “blacks” is also capitalized, for consistency?

    A: You will have noticed that in section 11.10.2 of the manual we do not use intial caps on either “white” or “black.” Webster’s 11th seems to follow this policy also, as you will find definitions related to both races presented without initial caps. I also checked the Chicago Manual and, in section 8.39, they indicate a similar policy. “Common designation of ethnic groups by color are usually lowercased unless a particular publisher or author prefers otherwise.” So, there does seem to be consensus among this small sampling, but it is in the direction of using initial lowercase letters rather than initial caps for these terms.
     

    From DIEversity Style Guide...

    https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/glossary/white-white/

    The National Association of Black Journalists does not capitalize Black in its publications, including the NABJ Style Guide. Many of the terms related to Black and White people in The Diversity Style Guide come from 100 Questions & Answers About African Americans. The team that put together that guide decided to capitalize Black and White, according to editor Joe Grimm. After much research and consideration, the editor of The Diversity Style Guide elected to capitalize Black and White when used in a racial context, but most would say it’s not incorrect to lowercase those words.
     

    On a related matter, Mr. Saiker, is this situation akin to "More Fun and Games with Telephoto Lenses" and directly related to "childishness"? Asking for a friend. He requests you do not be cagey, but I told him that is asking for too much.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/13/media/seattle-fox-news-autonomous-zone-protest/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-06-13T18%3A12%3A02&utm_medium=social&utm_term=link

    Replies: @Alfa158, @El Dato

    Why not go back to Negro then?

    Seriously, what’s wrong with it?

    Arabs are still Arabs. Asians are still Asians. Slavs are still Slavs.

    They don’t need a marketing do-over every 10-20 years.

    New York (CNN Business)Fox News published digitally altered and misleading images on its website’s homepage Friday that made a demonstration in Seattle, in which a group of largely peaceful Black Lives Matter protesters have occupied six city blocks, appear violent and dangerous.

    CNN says someone is enhancing the truth!

    smug.jpg

  112. I thought Steve Dude said years ago that he always went along with whatever the current naming conventions were.

  113. @Change that Matters
    The comments on that tweet are not running CJR's way.

    Replies: @Mr Mox, @J.Ross

    Oh sick burn, sure genocide is closer and overt racism is normalized, but we have Steve and some commenters. Take that, Soros! You will still feel the sting after we’re murdered in uninvestigated unreported unpoliced events understood by the government to be property crime.

  114. @Alfa158
    @Corvinus

    Thank you for the paragraphs of misdirection.
    Let’s stick to subject of Steve’s post.
    Steve posted a screen cap of a CJR Tweet that said , when referring to people, Black will be capitalized but White will be lower case because Black people are real but there is no such thing as “White” people.
    Is that a real tweet by the CJR, or isn’t it, and if it’s real, what does that tell us about America’s most prestigious school of Journalism?

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Thank you for the paragraphs of misdirection.”

    You mean paragraphs of context to provide direction.

    “Let’s stick to subject of Steve’s post.”

    Indeed. The sources I linked to demonstrate a wide range of views on the matter. CJR’s position is one of many differences of opinion.

    “Is that a real tweet by the CJR, or isn’t it, and if it’s real, what does that tell us about America’s most prestigious school of Journalism?”

    It’s UNREAL. The fact of the matter is that black and white are racial distinctions, with each consisting of different ethnic groups who fall within that category.

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily. Recall that the 1800 and 1900’s race group divisions were based on skin color and physical appearance according to scientists, and then divided into white, black, yellow, and red. Then scientists stated there were more gradient subtypes based on other characteristics. Where is this line drawn between “the races”? Does it not lead to a potential fractioning all the way down to the individual? Think about it. Attempts to divide humanity into race has used as few as three, then up to more than thirty. Humans have been migrating back and forth across the continents for over 200,000 years. Genetic traits have been mixed and remixed over and over. So it really boils down to how many races of humans exist depends on one’s meaning of the word…race.

    Some would argue that racial identity is other than relevant. They state the most notable problem currently in our world is that we are cogs in a globalized capitalist structure It is suggested this system will eventually collapse and we will made into mincemeat. The solution? Divorce ourselves from this “homo economicus” conception of the human race.

    • LOL: ic1000
    • Troll: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Corvinus

    "They state the most notable problem currently in our world is that we are cogs in a globalized capitalist structure."

    And "They" would be correct. But let us be distracted by the neoliberal weaponization of race. And by "race" I mean [b]lacks.

    , @Alfa158
    @Corvinus

    “It’s UNREAL. The fact of the matter is that black and white are racial distinctions, with each consisting of different ethnic groups who fall within that category.“

    OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not:
    “Black is an ethnic designation; white merely describes the skin color of people who can trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.“

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  115. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    By ethnic black, I guess he means sub-Saharan African. SSA is mainly Bantu. The indigenous San and Khoisan populations are definitely birds of another feather.

    North Africa is not very black at all. Melanesians, Papuans, Australian Aborigines and India’s Dalits are very black. But they are not SSA homies. Melanin content cannot define an ethnicity.

    “Bantu” should replace black. Already comes with a capital. Fits with BIPOC and BLM.

    Perfect, IMHO.

  116. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @Art Deco, @Kratoklastes

    Columbia’s always been a hotbed of corrupt Toryism.

  117. anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    @Anonymous

    Mulatto is a term that has fallen out of favor in English, possibly because the original Spanish or Portuguese term means like a mule--neither one thing nor the other.

    I find it hard to use the word without thinking of a mule.

    Replies: @Corn, @anonymous

    I recall awhile back there was a local public media debate about using the word, “colored.” I watched a news reporter interviewing an elderly black man who said he still used the term all the time to designate an African American of mixed heritage, and couldn’t understand why people were making things so complicated. He said there was a difference between “black” and “colored,” and that’s why there were words for them.

    Politically, it makes sense, since the best behaving of African Americans cannot distinguish themselves from the worst behaving African Americans, and that means people can’t decide that fully black people often aren’t up to functioning in modern civilization like coloreds are. A distinction that was realized, and in everyone’s face by the late 1860’s. By that time, it was common to see mulatto women in New Orleans, dressed in fine white cotton dresses, traveling in their own horse carriages, to the chagrin of recently freed negroes. Colored people moved up the ladder pretty quickly, compared to their black contemporaries.

    Forcing colored people to be “black” was a major political move the media figured out by the late sixties, and the colored people were stupid enough to go along with it. It’s a racist power play, but that’s what media people in power seem to do best.

  118. anonymous[229] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper.
     
    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @anonymous, @Desiderius

    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?

    Care to share your observations of the traits of a typical journalism student from that time?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anonymous

    See my reply to Mr. Tillman. It was not THAT far off from iSteve's time.

  119. @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Neoconned

    And if you have a meeting at your home or office, and one of your guests says something racist* we get to seize your property and put you out of a job.

    * The fun part is that we get to decide what's racist.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “we get to seize your property and put you out of a job”

    The right-wingers created that template for the Reagan-Bush War on Drugs. Silly right-wingers: your gleeful authoritarianism in the 80s and 90s might come back to bite you in the buttocks.

  120. @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "Thank you for the paragraphs of misdirection."

    You mean paragraphs of context to provide direction.

    "Let’s stick to subject of Steve’s post."

    Indeed. The sources I linked to demonstrate a wide range of views on the matter. CJR's position is one of many differences of opinion.

    "Is that a real tweet by the CJR, or isn’t it, and if it’s real, what does that tell us about America’s most prestigious school of Journalism?"

    It's UNREAL. The fact of the matter is that black and white are racial distinctions, with each consisting of different ethnic groups who fall within that category.

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily. Recall that the 1800 and 1900’s race group divisions were based on skin color and physical appearance according to scientists, and then divided into white, black, yellow, and red. Then scientists stated there were more gradient subtypes based on other characteristics. Where is this line drawn between “the races”? Does it not lead to a potential fractioning all the way down to the individual? Think about it. Attempts to divide humanity into race has used as few as three, then up to more than thirty. Humans have been migrating back and forth across the continents for over 200,000 years. Genetic traits have been mixed and remixed over and over. So it really boils down to how many races of humans exist depends on one’s meaning of the word…race.

    Some would argue that racial identity is other than relevant. They state the most notable problem currently in our world is that we are cogs in a globalized capitalist structure It is suggested this system will eventually collapse and we will made into mincemeat. The solution? Divorce ourselves from this “homo economicus” conception of the human race.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alfa158

    “They state the most notable problem currently in our world is that we are cogs in a globalized capitalist structure.”

    And “They” would be correct. But let us be distracted by the neoliberal weaponization of race. And by “race” I mean [b]lacks.

  121. anon[169] • Disclaimer says:

    Quaker Oats just announced they are retiring the Aunt Jemima syrup brand due to racism.
    Old Amos and Andy episodes are of course forbidden.
    Hattie McDaniel’s Oscar winning performance is gone with the wind.
    BLM is cancelling black culture.
    What will be left for black history month?

    We can also expect Quaker Oats to renounce the evil white Quaker on their box. Those nasty abolitionist peace-loving racist Quakers!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @anon

    Cracker Oats

    , @Corvinus
    @anon

    Why don’t you purchase some White Flakes using your food stamps? That’s what the Daily Stormers like yourself have for breakfast. It’s even sponsored by Bugs Bunny, resident pro-white agitator.

    https://world.openfoodfacts.org/product/22141781/white-flakes-knusperone

  122. @El Dato
    @Neoconned

    That's what happens when companies that are essentially advertisement resellers and pleb click & lifetime harvesters are confused with "technology companies".

    Meanwhile:

    Vice is promoting a SPLC ‘hate map’ of Confederate monuments. This has led to violence before

    Vandalism is POP now: Popular Mechanics under fire for science-friendly advice on ‘how to topple statues’ & not hurt anyone

    Stay safe and carry something that can throw 7.62.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Mentally disturbed iconoclasts. Psychologically normal people don’t feel the need to topple statues/destroy art. Even those they don’t appreciate.

    Also if only a handful of European countries are white, does that mean since by old Ben Franklin’s definition I’m not white, I can be Beige with a capital B and thus opt out of white guilt?

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
    @S. Anonyia


    Also if only a handful of European countries are white, does that mean since by old Ben Franklin’s definition I’m not white, I can be Beige with a capital B and thus opt out of white guilt?
     
    No they're coming for us all. No place to hide
  123. @Lagertha
    The non-Christian whites are really showing their colors and their allegiance.

    Replies: @Dissident, @Morris Applebaum IV

    Even though most of anti-White Whites are nominally Christian, they’re well meaning, albeit a bit naive. Wouldn’t want to blame them for anything. Obviously.

  124. @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper.
     
    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?

    Replies: @ben tillman, @anonymous, @Desiderius

    Gell-Mann effect.

    Endemic in Boomers.

  125. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @Art Deco, @Kratoklastes

    CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct.

    Columbia’s J-school installed Victor Navasky as chairman of the board overseeing it’s publications. Victor Navasky’s experience as a reporter is nil. He ran a humor magazine for seven years, then was on the staff of the New York Times Book Review for 12 years, after which his wealthy wife purchased a majority stake in The Nation and installed him as editor, at which task he functioned for 18 years. The Nation is an opinion magazine which offers no reportage. Its editorial line in the Navasky era was red haze, favoring the Soviets in the late Cold War. Navasky’s personal project for decades has been an attempt to demonstrate that Alger Hiss was framed, a project more sophisticated leftoids (e.g. James Weinstein and John Judis) thought a futile waste of time. Why would you put a complete tool in charge of your publications? It was a big middle finger to any serious reporter.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @Art Deco


    Columbia’s J-school installed Victor Navasky as chairman of the board overseeing it’s publication

     

    You don't need the apostrophe.
    , @Prester John
    @Art Deco

    When the ink stained wretches who drank hard and smoked much died, so did "journalism." What you get now is agitprop.

  126. @Alfa158
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    I have a friend who works in marketing and has a degree in journalism from what was considered to be a conservative leaning university. He told me that even decades ago, journalism schools taught their students that the role of the journalist is to improve society and make the world a better place. That meant pushing stories that promote the right policies and train the population to believe the right things. Truth is whatever is Good. If something happens to be factually true, well that’s just a bonus, but “truth” cannot be allowed to undermine the more important underlying “Truths”.
    Imagine what a place like Columbia in the year 2020 must be like.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    Dunno. I do recall seeing assessments in print by working editors to the effect that j-school graduates perform no better on the job than do English majors. Institutes of higher education seem to have generated and maintained an array of junior grade occupational schools that traffic in BS credentials as a matter of course – e.g. faculties in teacher training, social work, library administration, and journalism or communications. I suppose there are some valid training programs somewhere, but it seems in these realms that the whole concept is off (and sometimes the whole trade is off, propped up by public expenditure).

  127. Be clear on this fact: white people do not come from a plethora of European countries, but a mere handful.

    As late as the mid-19th century, the great majority of Americans’ roots weren’t in any European country, but in the British Isles.

    CJR is wrong about skin color– we are not white— but right about lower-casing the word. Capitalizing it is so wiggerish, rap in print. The great writers never did, at least after 1800. (Before that, many capitalized every noun, as in German now. But white was always an adjective, anyway.)

    plethora

    A nice Greek word.

    I’ve spent the last few evenings looking up birthplaces of residents of rural townships in the 1920 census. Some of them are excessively precise– Mecklenburg, Baden, Torontal– or quaintly anachronistic– “Little Russia” for Ukraine.

    Then there was a plethora of people born in Switzerland, but whose native language was “Swedish”. Looking at the raw schedule cleared this up. What the enumerator had written down was “Swiss Ger.” He had corrected himself. But 72+ years later, someone at Ancestry.com malindexed it.

    It is fun to see the many discrepancies between birth country and native tongue. German, Slovak, and Polish could be in several. Andy Pafko’s father Mike is shown as born in Hungary, but his hometown is near the Polish border today. He must have meant “Austria-Hungary”.

    By Mike Laws

    That resembles a joke name to pull on PA systems, like Hugh Jass or Mike Hunt: “Will My Claws please come to customer service…”

    Mike Laws =

    Slim, weak.
    Swam lake.

  128. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way to easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    Let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @SMK, @Buffalo Joe

    Capitalizing the B in black but not the W in white is an expression of black superiority over whites. It’s not “childish” but a manifestation of pro-black and anti-white propaganda and thought-control whose purpose is to engender pride in “African-Americans” and guilt in European-Americans.

    • Agree: Morris Applebaum IV
  129. E-written language should contain sensitivity markup (SML) so that presentation software can display documents with the reader’s preferred pronouns and style.

    The SML tag would not capitalize ‘black’, but < might, depending on the reader’s configuration.

    For example,
    The white man wore a black coat.
    might/not capitalize ‘white’, but ‘black’ would be displayed as-is.

    The tag could resolve all the neutrality issues, and so forth.

  130. @Art Deco
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct.

    Columbia's J-school installed Victor Navasky as chairman of the board overseeing it's publications. Victor Navasky's experience as a reporter is nil. He ran a humor magazine for seven years, then was on the staff of the New York Times Book Review for 12 years, after which his wealthy wife purchased a majority stake in The Nation and installed him as editor, at which task he functioned for 18 years. The Nation is an opinion magazine which offers no reportage. Its editorial line in the Navasky era was red haze, favoring the Soviets in the late Cold War. Navasky's personal project for decades has been an attempt to demonstrate that Alger Hiss was framed, a project more sophisticated leftoids (e.g. James Weinstein and John Judis) thought a futile waste of time. Why would you put a complete tool in charge of your publications? It was a big middle finger to any serious reporter.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Prester John

    Columbia’s J-school installed Victor Navasky as chairman of the board overseeing it’s publication

    You don’t need the apostrophe.

  131. The more they do this, the more they beclown themselves.

    Also: the more they set apart and stigmatize Blacks. (The “Browns” don’t matter. They are just window dressing.)

  132. Blacks come from the extremely diverse countries of Africa which number 56.

    Whites come from a handful of European countries which number … 56.

    Just scroll a little bit the right column: Area, Population, … Countries.

  133. Anyone with casual familiarity with the BDSM subculture would get the significance of capitalizing one party’s name and lower-casing another’s. It’s a method of ritual humiliation/degradation.

  134. white merely describes the skin color of people who can, usually without much difficulty, trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries

    and who selfishly created the modern world with stuff like planes and computers and modern medicine, damn their souls to hell!

  135. Rob says:

    Before the alien invasion, Black was an ethnicity in America. They were all descendants of slaves. That slavery and post-slavery life was their culture. There were African predilections and behaviors that are partially genetic, but almost nothing of their ancestors various ethnicities were left. Sure, there were divisions, like between North and South, but they pretty much considered themselves, and were considered by whites as being a people. Ethnicity and race were synonymous for Blacks.

    Now the march of morons into the US has delivered the various ethnicities of Africa. Race and ethnicity are not the same, because it’s confusing that we use the word Black for the American ethnic group for the black race.

    I suppose one could argue that the racist way whites treat them in the West boils down their ethnicities into one ethnicity. There are two issues with this. First, if they have a negative experience in the West they can always go home. Sure they’ll be poorer, but the children who grew up here can bring home American culture and their fantastic educaions (they did study, right?), maybe most importantly, as I am sure most were not smart enough to benefit from Western pedagogy, they will bring home their fluent English, which, if nothing else, will make the Nigerian email scams more convincing. Second, what’s left after a generation or two of rubbing shoulders with whites and Blacks knocking the edges off of blacks, what is left will be much more attributable to genes than culture. Much like Asians love driving badly and computers, I am sure blacks will be a better fit for Black culture than for white culture.

    We could go the same route with blacks that we did for yellows, and start calling them all Africans. I would prefer it, as it is a reminder that they aren’t real Americans.

  136. @Warner
    Then why do they say "white people"? Shouldn't they say white-skinned people? If it merely described eye color, you wouldn't say "blue people", you would say "blue-eyed people."

    Replies: @Forbes, @Prester John

    Those of us, of the “blue-eyed” peoples, prefer to be known as “blue-eyed devils.”

    For orthographic accuracy. For orthographic justice. And for political correctness, you must use our preferred nomenclature, just as you would for anyone’s preferred nouns and pronouns…

    Thank you for your cooperation.
    😂

  137. That’s why elite journalism suddenly looks like a middle school term paper.

    I realized a while back something that made modern journalism make much more sense

    Who are today’s journalists?

    In middle school english class, they didn’t read the book, waited until the night before, read the cliff’s notes, and spat out 5 pages of garbage that correctly guessed the teacher’s password

    Then, in highschool english class, they didn’t read the book, waited until the night before, read the cliff’s notes, and spat out 10 pages of garbage that correctly guessed the teacher’s password.

    Then, in college english class, they didn’t read the book, waited until the night before, _drunkenly_ read the wikipedia page, and spat out 20 pages of garbage that correctly guessed the teacher’s password.

    And now those very same people are employed as full-time essay writers. What do you think their writing process looks like? Most likely, they didn’t pay attention, waited until the night before, got stoned, read twitter, and spat out 1000 words of garbage that clickbaited the correct metrics

  138. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    Sounds exactly like the kind of pedantic fatuous rationalizations most of the dumbass commenters on here indulge in ad infinitum.

    Replies: @Clyde, @bomag, @Anonymous, @res

    Sounds exactly like the kind of pedantic fatuous rationalizations most of the dumbass commenters on here indulge in ad infinitum.

    Not so: anons are limited to indulging in two pedantic fatuous rationalizations per hour.

  139. @Warner
    They also said at the very beginning of the sentence, that they were referring to racial groups. Therefore, the word is not about skin, but a racial group. They JUST said so in their explanation!!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Hypnotoad666, @Forbes, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    …we capitalize Black…when referring to racial groups. Black is an ethnic designation…

    More confusion abounds. Ethnicity is a designation. Black is an ethnicity.

    Black is a race…and an ethnicity. It’s doing a lot of work. Is it also a multipurpose floor polish??

    The mind boggles.

  140. This summation makes sense on one level: “It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool.”

    That is a humorous way to mark part of what is going on. But it is limited and ultimately misses the big point.

    On a few occasions here I have tried to make the case that ‘white’ is an identity that really is meaningless, that means something like being nothing. That is the reason that Anglo-Zionist Elites do not get antsy about anybody losing his Irish or Polish or Czech or Italian or Hungarian or Serbian or Southern (meaning: Scotch-Irish mixed with whatever remained of Norman from the 17th and 18th century Celtic fringes of the west and north of England) identity and becoming ‘just white.’

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites. Whenever WASP Empire can inflict cultural genocide on a non-WASP group, it does so. What is left after such people no longer resist being destroyed by WASP Empire, Anglo-Zionist Empire, is just whites. And being just whites, they lack anything close to the necessary cultural basis with which to save themselves from WASP culture.

    Irish Catholics, for example, can fight meaningfully to resist WASP culture, but peoples of Irish descent who have lost their defining ethnic culture and its identity are nothing and so are no threat to resist.

    Culture trumps genes.

    That means that as non-WASP whites have been assimilated to American WASP culture, they have become ‘just whites’ and so lacking a foundation from which to resist the perversions, and horrors, that define WASP culture. That which is not a culture cannot resist that which is a culture.

    If you are Caucasian and are happy with how things have gone in the world as the Anglo-Zionist Empire has become the globe’s hegemonic master and culture-enforcer, then you should relax and embrace being ‘just white.’ If you are Caucasian and know the Anglo-Zionist Empire is a perverted monster that is not even the most evil it can be, then you must become culturally something that can serve as cultural opposition to WASP.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jake

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites.

    Repeating a falsehood does not make it true, it just makes it tiresome.

    , @fatmanscoop
    @Jake


    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites
     
    The kind of demented neo-Puritans that you're referring to hate their class rivals within the wider Anglo-Saxon Protestant group with a genocidal passion (for e.g. their hatred of Evangelicals, Anglicans/Episcopalians like Tucker Carlson, Deplorables, Brexit voters, the old British 'public school' ruling class like Laurence Fox and Boris Johnson) so disagree with your analysis to this extent.
    , @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Jake


    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites.
     
    Any evidence in support of such a radical proposition? Because at first blush, it seems kinda lame.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  141. @Bill P
    It's a distinction I can live with so long as I don't have to be in the same ethnic group as the people from the Columbia Journalism Review.

    Seeing this weeks-long white chimp-out here in Washington State I am pretty much done with the idea of white solidarity. I don't want to have anything to do with those people.

    I'm pretty sure there are tens of millions who feel the same way, and that's going to have major repercussions.

    Replies: @Forbes, @ATBOTL, @Pop Warner, @MBlanc46

    As my Anglo-British-Polynesian-black friend surmises as the plan for Afro-American take-over of the US, the next step is to get the Whites shooting and killing one another.

    Said with that dry British sense of humor–or is that humour–the observation doesn’t seem that far off the mark.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Forbes

    That may end up happening, but if blacks think that will end well for them they are delusional.

  142. @Bill P
    It's a distinction I can live with so long as I don't have to be in the same ethnic group as the people from the Columbia Journalism Review.

    Seeing this weeks-long white chimp-out here in Washington State I am pretty much done with the idea of white solidarity. I don't want to have anything to do with those people.

    I'm pretty sure there are tens of millions who feel the same way, and that's going to have major repercussions.

    Replies: @Forbes, @ATBOTL, @Pop Warner, @MBlanc46

    What are you trying to say? Anyone else tired of these kinds of garbled comments?

  143. @Warner
    Then why do they say "white people"? Shouldn't they say white-skinned people? If it merely described eye color, you wouldn't say "blue people", you would say "blue-eyed people."

    Replies: @Forbes, @Prester John

    “White” is the color of snow. Or milk. Or computer copy paper.

    Ever see a person with skin the color of snow, milk, or computer copy paper?

    Didn’t think so.

  144. @william munny
    2020 takes another strange turn, as hundreds of Orthodox Jewish kids in Lakewood NJ take to the streets to protest the closing of their day camps, chanting "No camps, no peace!" and "Kids' lives matter!"

    https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/video-lakewood-children-take-to-the-street-in-protest.html

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @El Dato, @ATBOTL

    Horrible people who are trying to chase whites out of the surrounding suburbs now. They all need to be deported to Israel.

  145. @Art Deco
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct.

    Columbia's J-school installed Victor Navasky as chairman of the board overseeing it's publications. Victor Navasky's experience as a reporter is nil. He ran a humor magazine for seven years, then was on the staff of the New York Times Book Review for 12 years, after which his wealthy wife purchased a majority stake in The Nation and installed him as editor, at which task he functioned for 18 years. The Nation is an opinion magazine which offers no reportage. Its editorial line in the Navasky era was red haze, favoring the Soviets in the late Cold War. Navasky's personal project for decades has been an attempt to demonstrate that Alger Hiss was framed, a project more sophisticated leftoids (e.g. James Weinstein and John Judis) thought a futile waste of time. Why would you put a complete tool in charge of your publications? It was a big middle finger to any serious reporter.

    Replies: @Jane Plain, @Prester John

    When the ink stained wretches who drank hard and smoked much died, so did “journalism.” What you get now is agitprop.

  146. @ben tillman
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?
     
    Rice doesn't offer a journalism degree, and presumably didn't when Steve was there.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    That explains it then, Ben. I’ve seen it up close, and it was not pretty. The only students dumber (in general) were in something called “General Studies”.

  147. The New Childishness

    How much of the new childishness is tied to the new childlessness?

  148. @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "Thank you for the paragraphs of misdirection."

    You mean paragraphs of context to provide direction.

    "Let’s stick to subject of Steve’s post."

    Indeed. The sources I linked to demonstrate a wide range of views on the matter. CJR's position is one of many differences of opinion.

    "Is that a real tweet by the CJR, or isn’t it, and if it’s real, what does that tell us about America’s most prestigious school of Journalism?"

    It's UNREAL. The fact of the matter is that black and white are racial distinctions, with each consisting of different ethnic groups who fall within that category.

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily. Recall that the 1800 and 1900’s race group divisions were based on skin color and physical appearance according to scientists, and then divided into white, black, yellow, and red. Then scientists stated there were more gradient subtypes based on other characteristics. Where is this line drawn between “the races”? Does it not lead to a potential fractioning all the way down to the individual? Think about it. Attempts to divide humanity into race has used as few as three, then up to more than thirty. Humans have been migrating back and forth across the continents for over 200,000 years. Genetic traits have been mixed and remixed over and over. So it really boils down to how many races of humans exist depends on one’s meaning of the word…race.

    Some would argue that racial identity is other than relevant. They state the most notable problem currently in our world is that we are cogs in a globalized capitalist structure It is suggested this system will eventually collapse and we will made into mincemeat. The solution? Divorce ourselves from this “homo economicus” conception of the human race.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @Alfa158

    “It’s UNREAL. The fact of the matter is that black and white are racial distinctions, with each consisting of different ethnic groups who fall within that category.“

    OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not:
    “Black is an ethnic designation; white merely describes the skin color of people who can trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.“

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not."

    The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic. “Europeans” came to North America, conquered and settled. But they were other than united in the beginning by common ideologies. Europeans had their own “redoubts”, ethnically and/or culturally, in the Thirteen States. Remember, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles–ALL had been considered at various points in time of unworthy of assimilation and citizenship. HOWEVER, they gradually blended into a new group–Americans–as they immersed themselves into building their political and economic institutions. And, accordingly, the Founding Fathers left open the door for future generations of Americans to weave other groups of people into the American fabric–European and non-European.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    Replies: @anon, @ic1000, @Coemgen

  149. @Warner
    They also said at the very beginning of the sentence, that they were referring to racial groups. Therefore, the word is not about skin, but a racial group. They JUST said so in their explanation!!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Hypnotoad666, @Forbes, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    To the creationists at Columbia race is nothing more than skin color, a purely cosmetic feature that is the only evidence of human evolution the past 50k years. Race, after all, is a social construct and all disparities between races (which don’t exist btw) are due to invisible forces like oppression and white supremacy which possess black bodies and force them into a life of crime. To reference the leftist religious text Harry Potter , it’s like white supremacy is an imperious curse that controls the actions of the victim

  150. @Jake
    This summation makes sense on one level: "It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool."

    That is a humorous way to mark part of what is going on. But it is limited and ultimately misses the big point.

    On a few occasions here I have tried to make the case that 'white' is an identity that really is meaningless, that means something like being nothing. That is the reason that Anglo-Zionist Elites do not get antsy about anybody losing his Irish or Polish or Czech or Italian or Hungarian or Serbian or Southern (meaning: Scotch-Irish mixed with whatever remained of Norman from the 17th and 18th century Celtic fringes of the west and north of England) identity and becoming 'just white.'

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites. Whenever WASP Empire can inflict cultural genocide on a non-WASP group, it does so. What is left after such people no longer resist being destroyed by WASP Empire, Anglo-Zionist Empire, is just whites. And being just whites, they lack anything close to the necessary cultural basis with which to save themselves from WASP culture.

    Irish Catholics, for example, can fight meaningfully to resist WASP culture, but peoples of Irish descent who have lost their defining ethnic culture and its identity are nothing and so are no threat to resist.

    Culture trumps genes.

    That means that as non-WASP whites have been assimilated to American WASP culture, they have become 'just whites' and so lacking a foundation from which to resist the perversions, and horrors, that define WASP culture. That which is not a culture cannot resist that which is a culture.

    If you are Caucasian and are happy with how things have gone in the world as the Anglo-Zionist Empire has become the globe's hegemonic master and culture-enforcer, then you should relax and embrace being 'just white.' If you are Caucasian and know the Anglo-Zionist Empire is a perverted monster that is not even the most evil it can be, then you must become culturally something that can serve as cultural opposition to WASP.

    Replies: @anon, @fatmanscoop, @Servant of Gla'aki

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites.

    Repeating a falsehood does not make it true, it just makes it tiresome.

  151. @Bill P
    It's a distinction I can live with so long as I don't have to be in the same ethnic group as the people from the Columbia Journalism Review.

    Seeing this weeks-long white chimp-out here in Washington State I am pretty much done with the idea of white solidarity. I don't want to have anything to do with those people.

    I'm pretty sure there are tens of millions who feel the same way, and that's going to have major repercussions.

    Replies: @Forbes, @ATBOTL, @Pop Warner, @MBlanc46

    Don’t worry, the CJR only see themselves as fellow whites when they need to attack and smear whites, otherwise they become the eternal persecuted victim of whites that suffered more than anybody else in human history

  152. @Altai
    TFW you have no racism to root out in your organisation so you plan to break millions of lines of code worldwide in order to be seen to be 'doing something'.

    https://twitter.com/WokeCapital/status/1272528456501334018

    Replies: @El Dato, @AnonAnon

    We have passed the Onion Singularity some time ago.

    In 3 years, it will be impossible to publish source that has not been declared “POLITICALLY CORRECT” by some HR commissars (who also identify as deer) on a Microsoft/Google/Twitter/Amazon transnational panel.

    Come to think of it, “Google” sounds suspiciously like “Gook”. And “Amazon” is sexually demeaning to corporeally deficient transgenders. Recommending renaming to “Analzone”.

  153. @Forbes
    @Bill P

    As my Anglo-British-Polynesian-black friend surmises as the plan for Afro-American take-over of the US, the next step is to get the Whites shooting and killing one another.

    Said with that dry British sense of humor--or is that humour--the observation doesn't seem that far off the mark.

    Replies: @Bill P

    That may end up happening, but if blacks think that will end well for them they are delusional.

  154. @obwandiyag
    Sounds exactly like the kind of pedantic fatuous rationalizations most of the dumbass commenters on here indulge in ad infinitum.

    Replies: @Clyde, @bomag, @Anonymous, @res

    Indeed. Thank you for being Exhibit A of your correctness.

  155. @Foreign Expert
    I wonder if they’re going to capitalize Yellow?

    Replies: @bruce county

    We are heading towards an all caps era…Solves all the problems.

  156. res says:
    @Dave Pinsen
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.
     
    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.
     
    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Charlotte, @animalogic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @bigdicknick

    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    It means that Africa is a huge continent and intra-African population splits occurred long before out of Africa. This gave much more time for genetic changes (in particular genetic drift) to occur.

    The assertion makes more sense if you look at some of the more extreme African phenotypes.

    How much the genetic diversity maps to phenotypic diversity is an interesting question though. Much of the genetic drift variation is likely to be relatively silent (not affecting phenotype) while I think the selection based variation is more likely to show up in the phenotype.

  157. @anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Steve, when you were in college, do you remember the people that majored in journalism? Why does this surprise you?
     
    Care to share your observations of the traits of a typical journalism student from that time?

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    See my reply to Mr. Tillman. It was not THAT far off from iSteve’s time.

  158. “Per this understanding, it is a kind of orthographic injustice to lowercase the B: to do so is to perpetuate the iniquity of an institution that uprooted people from the most ethnically diverse place on the planet”

    This contradicts itself. If blacks were originally “diverse” (and, by the way, almost all American slaves came from a relatively small part of Africa), then aren’t you “perpetuating the iniquity” by *capitalizing* the “B”, thus implying that there was only ever one Black ethnic group?

    Conversely, if white people come from a relatively small area, doesn’t that make them *less* diverse and thus *deserving* of the capital?

  159. OP says:

    Funny, because not all people of European descent have skin that could be comfortably called ‘white.’ Most Southern Europeans are somewhat beige, with olive not being uncommon. Even Northern Europeans can be somewhat beige or even light brown, such as the lead of the RHCP, Anthony Kiedis who is half New Englander, half Lithuanian, and probably has Elizabeth Warren amounts of Native American.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @OP


    Even Northern Europeans can be somewhat beige or even light brown, such as the lead of the RHCP, Anthony Kiedis who is half New Englander, half Lithuanian, and probably has Elizabeth Warren amounts of Native American.
     
    There was a large Jewish population in Lithuania.
  160. @Slimer
    It's pretty sensible to capitalize black if Black means African American, i.e., a descendant of American slavery. While technically a mixture of various African tribes, with a little bit of English and Scottish mixed in, Black or African American is firstly an ethno-political identity formed in the United States, unlike the much broader white American label that encompasses peoples who identify strongly with the regions of Europe from whence their ancestors came. This is why you'll hear whites say things like, "I'm one quarter Irish, one quarter polish and one half German" but you won't hear Blacks say, "I'm one quarter Igbo, one quarter Ashanti and one half..." whatever.

    One needn't worry that society is heading towards a new credo of Blacks rule, whites drool. Rest easy in the knowing that the opposite will always be true, since non-black people off all stripes have more in common physically with whites/Europeans than they do with black Africans. Unlike anti-semitism, which is mostly confined to Europe and the Middle East, anti-blackness pervades the world at large, but for one tiny blip on the on the map. Moreover, it's a great source of pride in most parts of the world. You'll see people from all corners gleefully recount stories of their parents or grandparents cursing those wretched blacks.

    Other forms of racism exist, but are not nearly as common. Nor as dehumanizing. Those who insist otherwise are soft, to put it bluntly, and would easily fold under the hostility that blacks regularly face. To quote one writer:


    Anti-blackness covers the fact that society’s hatred of blackness, and also its gratuitous violence against black people, is complicated by its need for our existence. For example, for white people — again, better described as those who have been racialized white — the abject inhumanity of the black reinforces their whiteness, their humanness, their power, and their privilege, whether they’re aware of it or not. Black people are at once despised and also a useful counterpoint for others to measure their humanness against. In other words, while one may experience numerous compounding disadvantages, at least they’re not black.

     

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/opinion/george-floyd-anti-blackness.html

    Replies: @Coemgen

    It’s pretty sensible to capitalize black if Black means African American, i.e., a descendant of American slavery.

    Much like the difference between:

    Big C Conservative (believes in capital punishment) vs small c conservative (believes in “first do no harm”)

    Big D Democrat (advocate of tyrannical communism) vs small d democrat (advocate of “one man one vote”)

    Big L Liberal (advocate of tyrannical communism) vs small l liberal (believes non-elites have natural rights)

    I much prefer the small letter concepts.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Coemgen

    So Barack Obama is black but Michelle Obama is Black?

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Coemgen

  161. @Warner
    They also said at the very beginning of the sentence, that they were referring to racial groups. Therefore, the word is not about skin, but a racial group. They JUST said so in their explanation!!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Hypnotoad666, @Forbes, @Pop Warner, @Buffalo Joe

    Warner, holy jumping dog shit….they said RACE ! WTF there is no race. They must have been hacked.Good catch!

  162. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way to easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    Let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @SMK, @Buffalo Joe

    NJ, from the article…white skinned “people who can trace their ethnic origin to a handfull of European nations.” Hmm, there are 41 nations in Europe or more depending on the source. Forty one in a bit more than a handfull.

  163. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    @Oliver Elkington

    An interesting comment, as a White South African (deliberate capital) it is a fact that the African people to the north of us, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Angola among others refer to the Bantu population as the "brown" people and are absolutely terrified of them because of their behavior. An Angolan client of mine who was a general in their armed forces was too frightened to leave his hotel room at night and had to be escorted everywhere by a White person.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed

    An interesting comment, as a White South African (deliberate capital) it is a fact that the African people to the north of us, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Angola among others refer to the Bantu population as the “brown” people and are absolutely terrified of them because of their behavior.

    I am confused about this comment. Are the people to the north of you not “Bantu”? Are “Bantu” people more light skinned (“brown”) than the people to the north of you?

  164. The correct term should be European Americans.

    The term white is racist & of course race doesn’t exist so being called white is even more racist

    White supremacy is evil but European civilization and culture is not.

    European Civilization has been the most advanced and enlightened culture in the world. Plus it’s always proper to capitalize Europe!

    Let us abolish whiteness and embrace European. None of this western stuff because Europeans can live anywhere.

    • Replies: @Ray P
    @mc23

    Dude, please, the correct nomenclature ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYOzUHnPJvU

  165. @Jake
    This summation makes sense on one level: "It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool."

    That is a humorous way to mark part of what is going on. But it is limited and ultimately misses the big point.

    On a few occasions here I have tried to make the case that 'white' is an identity that really is meaningless, that means something like being nothing. That is the reason that Anglo-Zionist Elites do not get antsy about anybody losing his Irish or Polish or Czech or Italian or Hungarian or Serbian or Southern (meaning: Scotch-Irish mixed with whatever remained of Norman from the 17th and 18th century Celtic fringes of the west and north of England) identity and becoming 'just white.'

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites. Whenever WASP Empire can inflict cultural genocide on a non-WASP group, it does so. What is left after such people no longer resist being destroyed by WASP Empire, Anglo-Zionist Empire, is just whites. And being just whites, they lack anything close to the necessary cultural basis with which to save themselves from WASP culture.

    Irish Catholics, for example, can fight meaningfully to resist WASP culture, but peoples of Irish descent who have lost their defining ethnic culture and its identity are nothing and so are no threat to resist.

    Culture trumps genes.

    That means that as non-WASP whites have been assimilated to American WASP culture, they have become 'just whites' and so lacking a foundation from which to resist the perversions, and horrors, that define WASP culture. That which is not a culture cannot resist that which is a culture.

    If you are Caucasian and are happy with how things have gone in the world as the Anglo-Zionist Empire has become the globe's hegemonic master and culture-enforcer, then you should relax and embrace being 'just white.' If you are Caucasian and know the Anglo-Zionist Empire is a perverted monster that is not even the most evil it can be, then you must become culturally something that can serve as cultural opposition to WASP.

    Replies: @anon, @fatmanscoop, @Servant of Gla'aki

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites

    The kind of demented neo-Puritans that you’re referring to hate their class rivals within the wider Anglo-Saxon Protestant group with a genocidal passion (for e.g. their hatred of Evangelicals, Anglicans/Episcopalians like Tucker Carlson, Deplorables, Brexit voters, the old British ‘public school’ ruling class like Laurence Fox and Boris Johnson) so disagree with your analysis to this extent.

  166. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:

    re: ethnic cleansing of Ben/Jemima corporate mascots

    Is Mavis Beacon safe? I’d thought of typing as a lowly occupation, not really something exalted Blacks would deign to be stereotyped with.

  167. Anonymous[208] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Quaker Oats just announced they are retiring the Aunt Jemima syrup brand due to racism.
    Old Amos and Andy episodes are of course forbidden.
    Hattie McDaniel's Oscar winning performance is gone with the wind.
    BLM is cancelling black culture.
    What will be left for black history month?

    We can also expect Quaker Oats to renounce the evil white Quaker on their box. Those nasty abolitionist peace-loving racist Quakers!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    Cracker Oats

  168. @silviosilver
    @Dave Pinsen


    There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.
     
    "They all look the same" to me too. But I wouldn't be surprised if they can detect considerable racial differences between each other. (And I don't mean distinguishing mixed, new world blacks from the unmixed African variety. Even I can do that.)

    Replies: @Jack D

    Keep in mind that the slaves were mostly imported from one relatively small region of West Africa populated by Bantu (and also that the Bantu expansion wiped out many other black phenotypes).

    However, if you look at Somalis and Ethiopians with their Semitic features, blue black Kenyans like Obama’s dad, long limbed Tutsi’s and tiny pygmies with reddish skin, you would see that in Africa itself they did NOT all look alike.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    (and also that the Bantu expansion wiped out many other black phenotypes).
     
    Can you recommend a good reading reference that addresses this theory?

    Replies: @ic1000

    , @silviosilver
    @Jack D

    Actually, that's a good point. Where I live, the blacks are mostly from Ethiopia, Somalia or Sudan. If there are any giveaway physical features to distinguish these groups, I can't see them. However, there are indeed a considerable number of these Arab-y looking blacks you mention, and I tend to forget that they're probably from Africa too.

  169. @animalogic
    @Neoconned

    I defend Google in NO way -- their I.D statement should now read "just do evil".
    However, reading Zerohedge comments one can easily imagine a gaggle of drunken clowns, skinheads & day-traders stumbling around a town square toting AK's & AR 15's.....

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Watching CNN and reading The New York Times, one can easily imagine a gaggle of Antifags and BLM thugs stumbling around Manhattan smashing windows and looting stores.

    Ugh, the lower classes are just so gauche, aren’t they?

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @Stan Adams

    Have you ever visited the comments at Zerohedge ? "Gauche" could be considered generous.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  170. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @silviosilver

    Keep in mind that the slaves were mostly imported from one relatively small region of West Africa populated by Bantu (and also that the Bantu expansion wiped out many other black phenotypes).

    However, if you look at Somalis and Ethiopians with their Semitic features, blue black Kenyans like Obama's dad, long limbed Tutsi's and tiny pygmies with reddish skin, you would see that in Africa itself they did NOT all look alike.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @silviosilver

    (and also that the Bantu expansion wiped out many other black phenotypes).

    Can you recommend a good reading reference that addresses this theory?

    • Replies: @ic1000
    @Anonymous

    > Can you recommend a good reading reference that addresses [the Bantu expansion]?

    Check out this 2015 article in PNAS, Bantu expansion shows that habitat alters the route and pace of human dispersals. The summary, abstract, and Figure 2 give a broad overview. That hasn't changed too much in the past 5 years (AFAIK).

    Replies: @Anonymous

  171. @S. Anonyia
    @El Dato

    Mentally disturbed iconoclasts. Psychologically normal people don’t feel the need to topple statues/destroy art. Even those they don’t appreciate.

    Also if only a handful of European countries are white, does that mean since by old Ben Franklin’s definition I’m not white, I can be Beige with a capital B and thus opt out of white guilt?

    Replies: @fatmanscoop

    Also if only a handful of European countries are white, does that mean since by old Ben Franklin’s definition I’m not white, I can be Beige with a capital B and thus opt out of white guilt?

    No they’re coming for us all. No place to hide

  172. @mc23
    The correct term should be European Americans.

    The term white is racist & of course race doesn't exist so being called white is even more racist

    White supremacy is evil but European civilization and culture is not.

    European Civilization has been the most advanced and enlightened culture in the world. Plus it's always proper to capitalize Europe!

    Let us abolish whiteness and embrace European. None of this western stuff because Europeans can live anywhere.

    Replies: @Ray P

    Dude, please, the correct nomenclature …

  173. @Alfa158
    @Corvinus

    “It’s UNREAL. The fact of the matter is that black and white are racial distinctions, with each consisting of different ethnic groups who fall within that category.“

    OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not:
    “Black is an ethnic designation; white merely describes the skin color of people who can trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.“

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not.”

    The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic. “Europeans” came to North America, conquered and settled. But they were other than united in the beginning by common ideologies. Europeans had their own “redoubts”, ethnically and/or culturally, in the Thirteen States. Remember, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles–ALL had been considered at various points in time of unworthy of assimilation and citizenship. HOWEVER, they gradually blended into a new group–Americans–as they immersed themselves into building their political and economic institutions. And, accordingly, the Founding Fathers left open the door for future generations of Americans to weave other groups of people into the American fabric–European and non-European.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    • Replies: @anon
    @Corvinus

    The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic.

    You'll have to produce some documentation from the Alt-Right to support this. Otherwise it's just more handwaving and trolling, two of your specialities.

    Your claim kooks more like a notion from the Howard Zinnified Left, where Jamestown and Plymouth Rock and New Amsterdam and Florida and Quebec are all just European entities. Because reasons, there was no diff between France, Spain, England, the Netherlands, etc. in the 17th century, no difference at all. Just "Whiteness" that must be wiped away from history and the current year. Hence the attacks on any statues around, including Lincoln and Ghandi. Sheer ignorance, courtesy of the publk skools.

    You should already know this. Your trolling and shilling has gotten a bit low energy lately. Are you really giving your employers all the effort they pay for?

    , @ic1000
    @Corvinus

    > The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic.

    The Alt Right Some people somewhere tend to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic, and that's a straw man I like to argue against.

    > The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    The magisterial voice of the anonymous author of the 'encyclopedia' article you linked is a poor fit with the absence of links or references. tl;dr.

    , @Coemgen
    @Corvinus


    The Alt Right tends to assume ...
     
    tl;dr

    Who is this "Alt Right" you are referring to? Do you mean the Deplorables? Deplorables is the vernacular. I have heard and read people referring to themselves as Deplorables many times but "Alt Right" seems to be an epithet hurled by the hard-left at its enemies.

    Around here, we're more concerned with the hard-left.

    It's the hard-left that is constantly propagandizing us at every turn. I can't even check the local weather without having to see or hear something about BLM, AGW, and/or Trump's impending demise.

    Find us a hard-right country to rail at. A country where there are 20,000 times more executions of criminals than there are abortions of unborn babies.

    Until then, the hard-left is the problem.
  174. @Jonathan Mason

    white merely describes the skin color of people who can, usually without much difficulty, trace their ethnic origins back to a handful of European countries.
     
    Except that no one has truly white skin, just various shades of off-white.

    My Black Labrador dog looks jet black, so black that she sometimes disappears into the shadows and reflects no light at all, but even she has white skin under the black fur, so perhaps she is really a white Labrador.

    White and black are just terms that have been handed down in the English language as a shorthand way of describing what were originally two groups of people in terms of two poles that is not very accurate.

    Spanish uses a variety of terms to describe shades of skin color like moreno (=brown). The Spanish word for black is negro.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @EmailAsID, @aleksander

    Tu te equivocas, amigo.

    “Moreno” is generally considered “black” in Spanish. It’s pretty much a more polite way of saying “negro.”

    “Triguena” would be more “brown.”

    My family is from Colombia, so that’s how we say down here.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @aleksander

    Would Carlos Valderrama be a moreno?

    Also, I met a Colombian guy in Australia once. He referred to himself as "black," but to me, although his skin was very dark, but there was nothing African about his face at all (and I'm highly sensitive to this). Indians from India are like this fairly often - even darker than some Africans, but other than that, no classical "black" features at all. Would someone like this call himself black in Colombia, or was he just calling himself black in Australia because movies and rap music have made it "cool" to be black in the west?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    , @Jonathan Mason
    @aleksander

    Uraguayan soccer star Luis Suarez was severely censured and suspended for several days for calling another player "negrito" while playing for Liverpool in England. Perhaps he would have gotten away with it if he called him "morenito".

    Various latin countries have a variety of terms for skin color, for example indio claro is a term used in the Dominican Republic. Rubio is another.

  175. @anon
    Quaker Oats just announced they are retiring the Aunt Jemima syrup brand due to racism.
    Old Amos and Andy episodes are of course forbidden.
    Hattie McDaniel's Oscar winning performance is gone with the wind.
    BLM is cancelling black culture.
    What will be left for black history month?

    We can also expect Quaker Oats to renounce the evil white Quaker on their box. Those nasty abolitionist peace-loving racist Quakers!

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Corvinus

    Why don’t you purchase some White Flakes using your food stamps? That’s what the Daily Stormers like yourself have for breakfast. It’s even sponsored by Bugs Bunny, resident pro-white agitator.

    https://world.openfoodfacts.org/product/22141781/white-flakes-knusperone

  176. @Percy Gryce
    @silviosilver

    An absolute monarch can act childishly and petulantly. Steve is talking motives and not quantity of cultural power--although acting in that way can decrease one's cultural power.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I don’t disagree with that, but attempting to place the emphasis on its “childish” aspects is still a cope.

    I much prefer to live in a civilized society in which we strongly proscribe resolving interpersonal disputes with violence. When people do resort to violence, we rightly regard them as “uncivilized” [er, at least we used to, anyway]. However, if you, personally, are on the losing end of the violence, then calling the winner “uncivilized” is both accurate and a cope. “It doesn’t matter that I was just humiliated, because that other pig – he’s uncivilized.” It’s a cope. And it’s also true.

  177. anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not."

    The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic. “Europeans” came to North America, conquered and settled. But they were other than united in the beginning by common ideologies. Europeans had their own “redoubts”, ethnically and/or culturally, in the Thirteen States. Remember, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles–ALL had been considered at various points in time of unworthy of assimilation and citizenship. HOWEVER, they gradually blended into a new group–Americans–as they immersed themselves into building their political and economic institutions. And, accordingly, the Founding Fathers left open the door for future generations of Americans to weave other groups of people into the American fabric–European and non-European.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    Replies: @anon, @ic1000, @Coemgen

    The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic.

    You’ll have to produce some documentation from the Alt-Right to support this. Otherwise it’s just more handwaving and trolling, two of your specialities.

    Your claim kooks more like a notion from the Howard Zinnified Left, where Jamestown and Plymouth Rock and New Amsterdam and Florida and Quebec are all just European entities. Because reasons, there was no diff between France, Spain, England, the Netherlands, etc. in the 17th century, no difference at all. Just “Whiteness” that must be wiped away from history and the current year. Hence the attacks on any statues around, including Lincoln and Ghandi. Sheer ignorance, courtesy of the publk skools.

    You should already know this. Your trolling and shilling has gotten a bit low energy lately. Are you really giving your employers all the effort they pay for?

  178. @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not."

    The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic. “Europeans” came to North America, conquered and settled. But they were other than united in the beginning by common ideologies. Europeans had their own “redoubts”, ethnically and/or culturally, in the Thirteen States. Remember, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles–ALL had been considered at various points in time of unworthy of assimilation and citizenship. HOWEVER, they gradually blended into a new group–Americans–as they immersed themselves into building their political and economic institutions. And, accordingly, the Founding Fathers left open the door for future generations of Americans to weave other groups of people into the American fabric–European and non-European.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    Replies: @anon, @ic1000, @Coemgen

    > The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic.

    The Alt Right Some people somewhere tend to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic, and that’s a straw man I like to argue against.

    > The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    The magisterial voice of the anonymous author of the ‘encyclopedia’ article you linked is a poor fit with the absence of links or references. tl;dr.

  179. @Anonymous
    @Jack D


    (and also that the Bantu expansion wiped out many other black phenotypes).
     
    Can you recommend a good reading reference that addresses this theory?

    Replies: @ic1000

    > Can you recommend a good reading reference that addresses [the Bantu expansion]?

    Check out this 2015 article in PNAS, Bantu expansion shows that habitat alters the route and pace of human dispersals. The summary, abstract, and Figure 2 give a broad overview. That hasn’t changed too much in the past 5 years (AFAIK).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @ic1000


    Check out this 2015 article in PNAS, Bantu expansion shows that habitat alters the route and pace of human dispersals. The summary, abstract, and Figure 2 give a broad overview. That hasn’t changed too much in the past 5 years (AFAIK).
     
    Thank you.
  180. @NJ Transit Commuter
    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.

    So let me raise another point. CJR teaches people journalism. I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct. One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation. Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.

    I recall a time when lumping the wide number of African ethnicities into the category of “black”was considered racist. I guess adding a capital B makes it OK?

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen, @anon, @Almost Missouri, @Anonymous, @Desiderius, @Art Deco, @Kratoklastes

    I thought the essence of journalism was seeking to be factually correct

    You silly, silly man.

    The essence of journalism is furnishing material to put into gaps between advertisements – keeping your eyeballs corralled so that your attention can be sold to someone selling toothpaste, carbolic smoke-balls, ab machines, or RightThink.

    The ‘journalism is a bunch of smart people all trying to be I.F. Stone‘ schtick is just marketing bullshit that the trade uses so that it can pretend it’s a profession.

    I.F. Stone, H. L. Mencken and their modern counterparts stand out precisely because their output is so unlike the overwhelming bulk of journalistic output.

    If you want an archetypal journalist, don’t think of Stone, Mencken, Pilger, Fisk, Taibbi, or Greenwald… think of Walter Duranty, Judith Miller, Jayson Blair, and Bill Keller.

  181. @Corvinus
    @Alfa158

    "OK so you agree with Steve, and disagree with the quoted CJR tweet that specifically stated that Black is an ethnic group and White is not."

    The Alt Right tends to assume that the creation of the United States was undeniably monolithic. “Europeans” came to North America, conquered and settled. But they were other than united in the beginning by common ideologies. Europeans had their own “redoubts”, ethnically and/or culturally, in the Thirteen States. Remember, the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles–ALL had been considered at various points in time of unworthy of assimilation and citizenship. HOWEVER, they gradually blended into a new group–Americans–as they immersed themselves into building their political and economic institutions. And, accordingly, the Founding Fathers left open the door for future generations of Americans to weave other groups of people into the American fabric–European and non-European.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    Replies: @anon, @ic1000, @Coemgen

    The Alt Right tends to assume …

    tl;dr

    Who is this “Alt Right” you are referring to? Do you mean the Deplorables? Deplorables is the vernacular. I have heard and read people referring to themselves as Deplorables many times but “Alt Right” seems to be an epithet hurled by the hard-left at its enemies.

    Around here, we’re more concerned with the hard-left.

    It’s the hard-left that is constantly propagandizing us at every turn. I can’t even check the local weather without having to see or hear something about BLM, AGW, and/or Trump’s impending demise.

    Find us a hard-right country to rail at. A country where there are 20,000 times more executions of criminals than there are abortions of unborn babies.

    Until then, the hard-left is the problem.

  182. @Jack D
    @silviosilver

    Keep in mind that the slaves were mostly imported from one relatively small region of West Africa populated by Bantu (and also that the Bantu expansion wiped out many other black phenotypes).

    However, if you look at Somalis and Ethiopians with their Semitic features, blue black Kenyans like Obama's dad, long limbed Tutsi's and tiny pygmies with reddish skin, you would see that in Africa itself they did NOT all look alike.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @silviosilver

    Actually, that’s a good point. Where I live, the blacks are mostly from Ethiopia, Somalia or Sudan. If there are any giveaway physical features to distinguish these groups, I can’t see them. However, there are indeed a considerable number of these Arab-y looking blacks you mention, and I tend to forget that they’re probably from Africa too.

  183. @aleksander
    @Jonathan Mason

    Tu te equivocas, amigo.


    "Moreno" is generally considered "black" in Spanish. It's pretty much a more polite way of saying "negro."

    "Triguena" would be more "brown."


    My family is from Colombia, so that's how we say down here.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Jonathan Mason

    Would Carlos Valderrama be a moreno?

    Also, I met a Colombian guy in Australia once. He referred to himself as “black,” but to me, although his skin was very dark, but there was nothing African about his face at all (and I’m highly sensitive to this). Indians from India are like this fairly often – even darker than some Africans, but other than that, no classical “black” features at all. Would someone like this call himself black in Colombia, or was he just calling himself black in Australia because movies and rap music have made it “cool” to be black in the west?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @silviosilver

    "Black" in England 100 years ago meant pretty much anybody darker than Winston Churchill.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    , @Anonymous
    @silviosilver


    Also, I met a Colombian guy in Australia once. He referred to himself as “black,” but to me, although his skin was very dark, but there was nothing African about his face at all (and I’m highly sensitive to this). Indians from India are like this fairly often – even darker than some Africans, but other than that, no classical “black” features at all. Would someone like this call himself black in Colombia, or was he just calling himself black in Australia because movies and rap music have made it “cool” to be black in the west?
     
    Is Jesse Lee Peterson Black?
  184. @silviosilver
    @aleksander

    Would Carlos Valderrama be a moreno?

    Also, I met a Colombian guy in Australia once. He referred to himself as "black," but to me, although his skin was very dark, but there was nothing African about his face at all (and I'm highly sensitive to this). Indians from India are like this fairly often - even darker than some Africans, but other than that, no classical "black" features at all. Would someone like this call himself black in Colombia, or was he just calling himself black in Australia because movies and rap music have made it "cool" to be black in the west?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    “Black” in England 100 years ago meant pretty much anybody darker than Winston Churchill.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Steve Sailer

    I think I've heard that before. Are there any literary examples of it you're aware of?

    Australian footballer, Garry Lyon, was a host on a panel of a popular footy talk show. I vaguely remember him taking some lighthearted ribbing about racial traits from the other hosts, although I'm not aware of him having any non-white ancestry. I could see how someone like that might have earned the tag "black" a hundred years ago.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @silviosilver
    @Steve Sailer

    It shouldn't surprise me that "black" is used in all sorts of weird wonderful ways. The main reason it does surprise me is I've only ever used "black" to refer to people of obvious African descent and Australian Aborigines, which, as a stickler for taxonomic exactitude, I've unsurprisingly assumed was the "correct" way to use it. I've heard Indians and Melanesian/Polynesian (I can never remember which is which) people referred to as "black" as well. This usage seemed "incorrect" to me, but understandable.

    Then the are some weird usages of it, as your example from a hundred years ago. Last weekend before the covid shutdown I was having a drink with some white country boys I'd just met and this Lebanese guy started talking to us. A while after he left, I mentioned something about him, and one of the country boys said, "Who are you talking about, that black cunt from before?" That surprised me, because not only didn't he look remotely African, he didn't even look all that dark to me. But racial perceptions and the language we choose to relate them can vary greatly. (Actually, the most surprising example to me is also the most ironic: my own. I went from being (semi?) excluded from whiteness back when it was still somewhat advantageous, to being lumped with it now that it's become socially and politically somewhat burdensome.)

  185. @Steve Sailer
    @silviosilver

    "Black" in England 100 years ago meant pretty much anybody darker than Winston Churchill.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    I think I’ve heard that before. Are there any literary examples of it you’re aware of?

    Australian footballer, Garry Lyon, was a host on a panel of a popular footy talk show. I vaguely remember him taking some lighthearted ribbing about racial traits from the other hosts, although I’m not aware of him having any non-white ancestry. I could see how someone like that might have earned the tag “black” a hundred years ago.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @silviosilver

    Back during the 1990s Afrocentrist era, black nationalist would read old books by Oxford professors about Ancient Egypt that referred to the Ancient Egyptians as "black" and cite those books as proof that blacks built the pyramids. I saw it a lot on the early Internet Usenet discussion groups in 1992-93.

    That was a not unreasonable mistake.

  186. @Stan Adams
    @animalogic

    Watching CNN and reading The New York Times, one can easily imagine a gaggle of Antifags and BLM thugs stumbling around Manhattan smashing windows and looting stores.

    Ugh, the lower classes are just so gauche, aren’t they?

    Replies: @animalogic

    Have you ever visited the comments at Zerohedge ? “Gauche” could be considered generous.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @animalogic

    I don't doubt it.

    My point was that leftists don't disavow their losers, layabouts, neckbeards, 400-pound fatties, 95-pound noodle-limbed geeks, 35-year-old involuntary virgins, and other assorted examples of human detritus. They put them to good use.

    But that's part of the appeal of leftism, isn't it? You can be an abysmal failure in nearly every aspect of life - an inconsequential speck of flotsam, a turd floating atop the vast reeking cesspool of homo superfluous - but if you can shriek "Black Lives Matter!" at the top of your lungs, then you're part of the club. Even if you're a pasty-ass cracka, you can still join the Good Guys by debasing yourself.

    For now, that is. The useful-idiot whites will be liquidated soon enough. They will cheer their own dispossession and destruction up until the moment that the blades slice through their necks.

    Replies: @animalogic, @jsm

  187. @Jake
    This summation makes sense on one level: "It’s mildly amusing reading the rationalizations for capitalizing Black but not white, when in reality they come down to the middle school concept that Blacks rule, whites drool."

    That is a humorous way to mark part of what is going on. But it is limited and ultimately misses the big point.

    On a few occasions here I have tried to make the case that 'white' is an identity that really is meaningless, that means something like being nothing. That is the reason that Anglo-Zionist Elites do not get antsy about anybody losing his Irish or Polish or Czech or Italian or Hungarian or Serbian or Southern (meaning: Scotch-Irish mixed with whatever remained of Norman from the 17th and 18th century Celtic fringes of the west and north of England) identity and becoming 'just white.'

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites. Whenever WASP Empire can inflict cultural genocide on a non-WASP group, it does so. What is left after such people no longer resist being destroyed by WASP Empire, Anglo-Zionist Empire, is just whites. And being just whites, they lack anything close to the necessary cultural basis with which to save themselves from WASP culture.

    Irish Catholics, for example, can fight meaningfully to resist WASP culture, but peoples of Irish descent who have lost their defining ethnic culture and its identity are nothing and so are no threat to resist.

    Culture trumps genes.

    That means that as non-WASP whites have been assimilated to American WASP culture, they have become 'just whites' and so lacking a foundation from which to resist the perversions, and horrors, that define WASP culture. That which is not a culture cannot resist that which is a culture.

    If you are Caucasian and are happy with how things have gone in the world as the Anglo-Zionist Empire has become the globe's hegemonic master and culture-enforcer, then you should relax and embrace being 'just white.' If you are Caucasian and know the Anglo-Zionist Empire is a perverted monster that is not even the most evil it can be, then you must become culturally something that can serve as cultural opposition to WASP.

    Replies: @anon, @fatmanscoop, @Servant of Gla'aki

    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites.

    Any evidence in support of such a radical proposition? Because at first blush, it seems kinda lame.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Perhaps "focused on" is not the right word, but it would be hard to argue they weren't pretty damn peeved about being displaced by non-WASPs. That line in The Godfather about coming "out to this clean country... passing yourselves off as decent Americans" was hardly pure Hollywood invention.

    WASPs get a terrible rape. Most anti-white hatred today is not really so much anti-white as it is anti-WASP. You can hate these people with complete abandon and no one will say boo.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  188. @silviosilver
    @Steve Sailer

    I think I've heard that before. Are there any literary examples of it you're aware of?

    Australian footballer, Garry Lyon, was a host on a panel of a popular footy talk show. I vaguely remember him taking some lighthearted ribbing about racial traits from the other hosts, although I'm not aware of him having any non-white ancestry. I could see how someone like that might have earned the tag "black" a hundred years ago.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Back during the 1990s Afrocentrist era, black nationalist would read old books by Oxford professors about Ancient Egypt that referred to the Ancient Egyptians as “black” and cite those books as proof that blacks built the pyramids. I saw it a lot on the early Internet Usenet discussion groups in 1992-93.

    That was a not unreasonable mistake.

  189. @Steve Sailer
    @silviosilver

    "Black" in England 100 years ago meant pretty much anybody darker than Winston Churchill.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    It shouldn’t surprise me that “black” is used in all sorts of weird wonderful ways. The main reason it does surprise me is I’ve only ever used “black” to refer to people of obvious African descent and Australian Aborigines, which, as a stickler for taxonomic exactitude, I’ve unsurprisingly assumed was the “correct” way to use it. I’ve heard Indians and Melanesian/Polynesian (I can never remember which is which) people referred to as “black” as well. This usage seemed “incorrect” to me, but understandable.

    Then the are some weird usages of it, as your example from a hundred years ago. Last weekend before the covid shutdown I was having a drink with some white country boys I’d just met and this Lebanese guy started talking to us. A while after he left, I mentioned something about him, and one of the country boys said, “Who are you talking about, that black cunt from before?” That surprised me, because not only didn’t he look remotely African, he didn’t even look all that dark to me. But racial perceptions and the language we choose to relate them can vary greatly. (Actually, the most surprising example to me is also the most ironic: my own. I went from being (semi?) excluded from whiteness back when it was still somewhat advantageous, to being lumped with it now that it’s become socially and politically somewhat burdensome.)

  190. Thus the advantage of the written word – you don’t have to say it with a straight face.

  191. @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Jake


    WASP culture, that of the Elites of England post-Reformation, most specifically the culture made central to the nation by Anglo-Saxon Puritans. always has been focused on hating all non-WASP whites.
     
    Any evidence in support of such a radical proposition? Because at first blush, it seems kinda lame.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    Perhaps “focused on” is not the right word, but it would be hard to argue they weren’t pretty damn peeved about being displaced by non-WASPs. That line in The Godfather about coming “out to this clean country… passing yourselves off as decent Americans” was hardly pure Hollywood invention.

    WASPs get a terrible rape. Most anti-white hatred today is not really so much anti-white as it is anti-WASP. You can hate these people with complete abandon and no one will say boo.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @silviosilver


    WASPs get a terrible rape. Most anti-white hatred today is not really so much anti-white as it is anti-WASP. You can hate these people with complete abandon and no one will say boo.
     
    Steve, methinks, is guilty of this same hatred. Observe his incessant use of the racial epithet, “WASP.”
  192. Doesn’t the Columbia in Columbia Journalism Review have something to with Columbus? The snake eats its tail. Ain’t he one of the Current Year bad guys?

    Have these people no understanding of history? Rhetorical question. The default configuration of a human mind is set to primitive.

    This mad obsession with perceived race and color, etc., as a metric of human worth is really Hitlerian. I’ve got a book here, brought to the USA by my German parents, that defines die Rassenkunde or racial types. Perhaps that book can be republished with relevant revisions. Oxford University Press interested? Holla.

  193. @Coemgen
    @Slimer


    It’s pretty sensible to capitalize black if Black means African American, i.e., a descendant of American slavery.
     
    Much like the difference between:

    Big C Conservative (believes in capital punishment) vs small c conservative (believes in "first do no harm")

    Big D Democrat (advocate of tyrannical communism) vs small d democrat (advocate of "one man one vote")

    Big L Liberal (advocate of tyrannical communism) vs small l liberal (believes non-elites have natural rights)

    I much prefer the small letter concepts.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    So Barack Obama is black but Michelle Obama is Black?

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Steve Sailer

    MO is a Black (a DOAS), while BO is black (happens to have a dark complexion, but is not a DOAS, except possibly on his mother’s side).

    , @Coemgen
    @Steve Sailer


    So Barack Obama is black but Michelle Obama is Black?
     
    It's hard not to notice that the Democrats stepped over a lot of Black American candidates to nominate and elect black African/European-American Barack Obama to be our country's first non-white president.
  194. Capital “B” for “Bow Down”

  195. @Bill P
    It's a distinction I can live with so long as I don't have to be in the same ethnic group as the people from the Columbia Journalism Review.

    Seeing this weeks-long white chimp-out here in Washington State I am pretty much done with the idea of white solidarity. I don't want to have anything to do with those people.

    I'm pretty sure there are tens of millions who feel the same way, and that's going to have major repercussions.

    Replies: @Forbes, @ATBOTL, @Pop Warner, @MBlanc46

    We can only hope that it will have major repercussions. One way or another.

  196. @animalogic
    @Stan Adams

    Have you ever visited the comments at Zerohedge ? "Gauche" could be considered generous.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    I don’t doubt it.

    My point was that leftists don’t disavow their losers, layabouts, neckbeards, 400-pound fatties, 95-pound noodle-limbed geeks, 35-year-old involuntary virgins, and other assorted examples of human detritus. They put them to good use.

    But that’s part of the appeal of leftism, isn’t it? You can be an abysmal failure in nearly every aspect of life – an inconsequential speck of flotsam, a turd floating atop the vast reeking cesspool of homo superfluous – but if you can shriek “Black Lives Matter!” at the top of your lungs, then you’re part of the club. Even if you’re a pasty-ass cracka, you can still join the Good Guys by debasing yourself.

    For now, that is. The useful-idiot whites will be liquidated soon enough. They will cheer their own dispossession and destruction up until the moment that the blades slice through their necks.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    @Stan Adams

    "But that’s part of the appeal of leftism, isn’t it? You can be an abysmal failure in nearly every aspect of life – an inconsequential speck of flotsam, a turd floating atop the vast reeking cesspool of homo superfluous – but if you can shriek “Black Lives Matter!” at the top of your lungs, then you’re part of the club. Even if you’re a pasty-ass cracka, you can still join the Good Guys by debasing yourself."

    I guess there's some truth in that, in a "public, "Company Values" sort of way, but -- your average SJW is often a terrible snob. Naturally, hypocrisy is their default setting, so their shunning of the various "turds" will be conducted with some consideration of appearances....

    , @jsm
    @Stan Adams


    They will cheer their own dispossession and destruction up until the moment that the blades slice through their necks.
     
    Aye.
    CHAZ is now... CHOP (!)
  197. In German, nouns are capitalized, so I guess if CJR were to follow Germany’s lead: Black (a noun), versus white (adjective) [Person] (Person who just happens to be white).

  198. @Steve Sailer
    @Coemgen

    So Barack Obama is black but Michelle Obama is Black?

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Coemgen

    MO is a Black (a DOAS), while BO is black (happens to have a dark complexion, but is not a DOAS, except possibly on his mother’s side).

  199. I cannot believe the people at the Columbia Journalism Review aren’t joking when they say black should be Black, Hispanic, Asian and Native American and African American are all capitalized but white should stay right because it refers to skin color not ethnicity.

    I think they are trying to make us feel inferior and left out. They are not hurting me at all but they are putting their own claims of professionalism and expertise into question. I respect the field of journalism a lot. I am sorry to see the people at CJR commit self-sabotage.

  200. @Stan Adams
    @animalogic

    I don't doubt it.

    My point was that leftists don't disavow their losers, layabouts, neckbeards, 400-pound fatties, 95-pound noodle-limbed geeks, 35-year-old involuntary virgins, and other assorted examples of human detritus. They put them to good use.

    But that's part of the appeal of leftism, isn't it? You can be an abysmal failure in nearly every aspect of life - an inconsequential speck of flotsam, a turd floating atop the vast reeking cesspool of homo superfluous - but if you can shriek "Black Lives Matter!" at the top of your lungs, then you're part of the club. Even if you're a pasty-ass cracka, you can still join the Good Guys by debasing yourself.

    For now, that is. The useful-idiot whites will be liquidated soon enough. They will cheer their own dispossession and destruction up until the moment that the blades slice through their necks.

    Replies: @animalogic, @jsm

    “But that’s part of the appeal of leftism, isn’t it? You can be an abysmal failure in nearly every aspect of life – an inconsequential speck of flotsam, a turd floating atop the vast reeking cesspool of homo superfluous – but if you can shriek “Black Lives Matter!” at the top of your lungs, then you’re part of the club. Even if you’re a pasty-ass cracka, you can still join the Good Guys by debasing yourself.”

    I guess there’s some truth in that, in a “public, “Company Values” sort of way, but — your average SJW is often a terrible snob. Naturally, hypocrisy is their default setting, so their shunning of the various “turds” will be conducted with some consideration of appearances….

  201. @Stan Adams
    @animalogic

    I don't doubt it.

    My point was that leftists don't disavow their losers, layabouts, neckbeards, 400-pound fatties, 95-pound noodle-limbed geeks, 35-year-old involuntary virgins, and other assorted examples of human detritus. They put them to good use.

    But that's part of the appeal of leftism, isn't it? You can be an abysmal failure in nearly every aspect of life - an inconsequential speck of flotsam, a turd floating atop the vast reeking cesspool of homo superfluous - but if you can shriek "Black Lives Matter!" at the top of your lungs, then you're part of the club. Even if you're a pasty-ass cracka, you can still join the Good Guys by debasing yourself.

    For now, that is. The useful-idiot whites will be liquidated soon enough. They will cheer their own dispossession and destruction up until the moment that the blades slice through their necks.

    Replies: @animalogic, @jsm

    They will cheer their own dispossession and destruction up until the moment that the blades slice through their necks.

    Aye.
    CHAZ is now… CHOP (!)

  202. @Bardon Kaldian
    This whole lunacy will collapse unto itself. You can't keep this for long time because you just cannot keep people from laughing, and they'll simply laugh it off.

    Replies: @GoRedWings!

    You can keep some people from noticing some of the time, but you cannot keep all people from noticing all of the time.
    Every step of wokeness is a step towards the collective realization that it’s all not true, quite probably a calculated lie.

  203. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @animalogic
    @Dave Pinsen

    "but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one."
    Oh, man, you've hit the nail on the head here. Anomie, all the way.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Oh, man, you’ve hit the nail on the head here. Anomie, all the way.

    What do you mean by, “Anomie, all the way”?

  204. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @OP
    Funny, because not all people of European descent have skin that could be comfortably called 'white.' Most Southern Europeans are somewhat beige, with olive not being uncommon. Even Northern Europeans can be somewhat beige or even light brown, such as the lead of the RHCP, Anthony Kiedis who is half New Englander, half Lithuanian, and probably has Elizabeth Warren amounts of Native American.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Even Northern Europeans can be somewhat beige or even light brown, such as the lead of the RHCP, Anthony Kiedis who is half New Englander, half Lithuanian, and probably has Elizabeth Warren amounts of Native American.

    There was a large Jewish population in Lithuania.

  205. @Anon
    @Oliver Elkington

    An interesting comment, as a White South African (deliberate capital) it is a fact that the African people to the north of us, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Malawi and Angola among others refer to the Bantu population as the "brown" people and are absolutely terrified of them because of their behavior. An Angolan client of mine who was a general in their armed forces was too frightened to leave his hotel room at night and had to be escorted everywhere by a White person.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Ed

    Angolans are pretty black and Bantu.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ed


    Angolans are pretty black and Bantu.
     
    Does his comment make any sense to you?

    Replies: @Ed

  206. I don’t make it a habit of reading the publication, but Mr. Sailer’s newspaper of Sailerness has the following to inform us:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/travel/road-trip-black.html

    Reflecting back on vacation road trips as a Young Person of Uncolor with our Uncolorful family, I do remember our father similarly checking out maps and avoiding black areas in somewhat the same manner. When driving himself, my father only avoided the worst of darktown and that casually, but with his family at stake he took no chances. Our car was carefully prepared, he’d put in a new battery, radiator hoses and belts, change the oil, have the tires rotated and balanced, new brake shoes and drums if needed, all that stuff.

    He’d also remove the hubcaps and replace the standard lug nuts with the “acorn” type, but not chrome plated ones. And he had locking gas caps back when no one else ever had them.

    Pop never used racial epithets and never used sexually suggestive language around children or women. I do not recall him ever showing disrespect to blacks, Mexicand, Puerto Ricans, orientals, Indians, or whatever. But he quietly conveyed the truth of the difference between others and ourselves.

  207. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @ic1000
    @Anonymous

    > Can you recommend a good reading reference that addresses [the Bantu expansion]?

    Check out this 2015 article in PNAS, Bantu expansion shows that habitat alters the route and pace of human dispersals. The summary, abstract, and Figure 2 give a broad overview. That hasn't changed too much in the past 5 years (AFAIK).

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Check out this 2015 article in PNAS, Bantu expansion shows that habitat alters the route and pace of human dispersals. The summary, abstract, and Figure 2 give a broad overview. That hasn’t changed too much in the past 5 years (AFAIK).

    Thank you.

  208. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver
    @aleksander

    Would Carlos Valderrama be a moreno?

    Also, I met a Colombian guy in Australia once. He referred to himself as "black," but to me, although his skin was very dark, but there was nothing African about his face at all (and I'm highly sensitive to this). Indians from India are like this fairly often - even darker than some Africans, but other than that, no classical "black" features at all. Would someone like this call himself black in Colombia, or was he just calling himself black in Australia because movies and rap music have made it "cool" to be black in the west?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Anonymous

    Also, I met a Colombian guy in Australia once. He referred to himself as “black,” but to me, although his skin was very dark, but there was nothing African about his face at all (and I’m highly sensitive to this). Indians from India are like this fairly often – even darker than some Africans, but other than that, no classical “black” features at all. Would someone like this call himself black in Colombia, or was he just calling himself black in Australia because movies and rap music have made it “cool” to be black in the west?

    Is Jesse Lee Peterson Black?

  209. Liberals cause a mess and wreck everything they sure should not be allowed to take care of anything its like putting lit match in charge of Dynimite

  210. @aleksander
    @Jonathan Mason

    Tu te equivocas, amigo.


    "Moreno" is generally considered "black" in Spanish. It's pretty much a more polite way of saying "negro."

    "Triguena" would be more "brown."


    My family is from Colombia, so that's how we say down here.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Jonathan Mason

    Uraguayan soccer star Luis Suarez was severely censured and suspended for several days for calling another player “negrito” while playing for Liverpool in England. Perhaps he would have gotten away with it if he called him “morenito”.

    Various latin countries have a variety of terms for skin color, for example indio claro is a term used in the Dominican Republic. Rubio is another.

  211. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver
    @Servant of Gla'aki

    Perhaps "focused on" is not the right word, but it would be hard to argue they weren't pretty damn peeved about being displaced by non-WASPs. That line in The Godfather about coming "out to this clean country... passing yourselves off as decent Americans" was hardly pure Hollywood invention.

    WASPs get a terrible rape. Most anti-white hatred today is not really so much anti-white as it is anti-WASP. You can hate these people with complete abandon and no one will say boo.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    WASPs get a terrible rape. Most anti-white hatred today is not really so much anti-white as it is anti-WASP. You can hate these people with complete abandon and no one will say boo.

    Steve, methinks, is guilty of this same hatred. Observe his incessant use of the racial epithet, “WASP.”

  212. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ed
    @Anon

    Angolans are pretty black and Bantu.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Angolans are pretty black and Bantu.

    Does his comment make any sense to you?

    • Replies: @Ed
    @Anonymous

    No

  213. @Altai
    TFW you have no racism to root out in your organisation so you plan to break millions of lines of code worldwide in order to be seen to be 'doing something'.

    https://twitter.com/WokeCapital/status/1272528456501334018

    Replies: @El Dato, @AnonAnon

    Master/slave has already been replaced at the college level in California, though I can’t recall if my son was taught primary/replica as the replacement term since that isn’t really the correct relationship. Other problematic engineering terms on the chopping block: “white hat/black hat” & “whitelist/blacklist.”

  214. @Steve Sailer
    @Coemgen

    So Barack Obama is black but Michelle Obama is Black?

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Coemgen

    So Barack Obama is black but Michelle Obama is Black?

    It’s hard not to notice that the Democrats stepped over a lot of Black American candidates to nominate and elect black African/European-American Barack Obama to be our country’s first non-white president.

  215. @Anonymous
    @Ed


    Angolans are pretty black and Bantu.
     
    Does his comment make any sense to you?

    Replies: @Ed

    No

  216. @Dave Pinsen
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    One thing black most definitely is not is an ethnic designation.
     
    In America, it absolutely is. Of course, white is too, but the establishment doesn’t want whites to think of themselves as one group, because then they might start voting like one.

    Spend 10 minutes reading about African genetics and you find that there is more ethnic diversity in Africa than anywhere else in the globe.
     
    What does this mean in a real sense? There seems to be less phenotypical diversity in Africa than Europe.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Charlotte, @animalogic, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @res, @bigdicknick

    this was covered on this blog and is pretty obvious. The genetic diversity in africa is groups that have basically zero presence in america i.e. pygmies, khoisan etc. Groups that are only known in like 300 square mile areas of africa, have invented nothing and don’t live in diaspora anywhere. It’s completely irrelevant to understanding race in america or anywhere else. It’s only relevant if you’re an anthropologist doing a phd in why ooga booga tribe decided to genocide stinky pinky tribe.

  217. @silviosilver
    @NJ Transit Commuter


    It’s just way too easy to go after the same people who assert “race doesn’t exist” capitalizing black as an ethnic group.
     
    Only if you think they're concerned about hypocrisy. I don't believe they are. Their power level now is such that they needn't worry at all about your pesky so-called "facts."

    Anyway, if race is a social construct, they can simply say positive Black identity is a good social construct, while positive white identity is an evil social construct. Easy-peasy.

    Replies: @EdwardM

    Agree. Their argument is so illogical that they must know it. It’s just spiking the football in our faces.

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