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A couple of weeks ago, there was an amusing Carl Zimmer article in the New York Times about how the extinction of indigenous male DNA lines in the Iberian peninsula after the arrival of the Yamnaya (a.k.a., Aryans) around 4,500 years ago couldn’t have had anything to do with wars or massacres or the lamentations of the womenfolk, but instead involved a “political process.” So nothing to notice here, folks. Migrations are all part of the great cycle of life. It’s really boring.

The Daily Mail, however, is going with a less tedious spin on the DNA findings:

The most violent group of people who ever lived:

Horse-riding Yamnaya tribe who used their huge height and muscular build to brutally murder and invade their way across Europe more than 4,000 years ago

Yamnaya people dominated Europe from between 5,000 and 4,000 years ago
They had nutritionally rich diets and were tall, muscular and skilled horse riders
It is believed they exploited a continent recovering from disease and death
They spread rapidly, adapting and massacring their way throughout Europe
Slaughtered Neolithic men in prehistoric genocide to ensure their DNA survived
They made their way to Britain and within a few generations there was no remains of the previous inhabitants who built Stonehenge in the genetic record
By JOE PINKSTONE FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 15:49 EDT, 29 March 2019 | UPDATED: 15:50 EDT, 29 March

A brutish tribe of people who lived in the Neolithic era more than 4,000 years ago is being touted as the most violent and aggressive society to ever live.

A growing body of evidence is convincing archaeologists that the Yamnaya society ruthlessly massacred opposing societies.

It is believed the primitive society capitalised on disease, warfare and famine and unceremoniously swept through Europe, destroying entire civilisations and leaving destruction in their wake. …

The Yumnaya took over and erased all genetic evidence of the land’s previous stewards.

This theory is backed up by David Reich at Harvard Medical School who is due to release a piece of research stating the Yumnaya orchestrated a systematic genocide of Neolithic men.

Original Bell Beaker people collided with the Yumnaya people 4,50 years ago and this provides some of the strongest evidence yet of their brutality.

Forty per cent of all males had a Y chromosome linked to Yumnaya, indicating after the cultures met, only Yumnaya men were procreating.

‘The collision of these two populations was not a friendly one, not an equal one, but one where the males from outside were displacing local males and did so almost completely,’ Reich told New Scientist Live in September.

‘It’s the only way to explain that no male Neolithic lines survived.’

 
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  1. Turn internet addicted , low fertility, high trust western boys into the softest generation that ever existed . Then introduce to the west the hardest, most violent , most clannish ,lowest IQ men from around the globe. We are all bell beakers now.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    @Anon

    Stay tuned for part 2 of this story, though. It may surprise you.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @guest
    @Anon

    Except we're taller.

    , @El Dato
    @Anon

    Instead of a clip of beaker from "The Muppet Show", let's go interstellar (from Charles Stross, "Missile Gap") because why not!


    Sagan leans forward. “That’s all very well,” he says agreeably, “but I’m a bit puzzled by the policy process itself. We haven’t yet made contact with any nonhuman sapients. I thought your committee was supposed to be assessing our policy options for when contact finally occurs. It sounds to me as if you’re telling me that we already have a policy, and you’re looking to find out if it’s actually a viable one. Is that right?”

    ...

    They order, and Gregor waits for the waiter to depart before he continues. “Suppose there’s an alien race out there. More than one. You know about the multiple copies of Earth. The uninhabited ones. We’ve been here before. Now let’s see … suppose the aliens aren’t like us. Some of them are recognizable, tribal primates who use tools made out of metal, sea-dwelling ensemble entities who communicate by ultrasound. But others–most of them–are social insects who use amazingly advanced biological engineering to grow what they need. There’s some evidence that they’ve colonized some of the empty Earths. They’re aggressive and territorial and they’re so different that … well, for one thing we think they don’t actually have conscious minds except when they need them. They control their own genetic code and build living organisms tailored to whatever tasks they want carrying out. There’s no evidence that they want to talk to us, and some evidence that they may have emptied some of those empty Earths of their human population. And because of their, um, decentralized ecosystem and biological engineering, conventional policy solutions won’t work. The military ones, I mean.”

    Gregor watches Sagan’s face intently as he describes the scenario. There is a slight cooling of the exobiologist’s cheeks as his peripheral arteries contract with shock: his pupils dilate and his respiration rate increases. Sour pheromones begin to diffuse from his sweat ducts and organs in Gregor’s nasal sinuses respond to them.

    “You’re kidding?” Sagan half-asks. He sounds disappointed about something.

    “I wish I was.” Gregor generates a faint smile and exhales breath laden with oxytocin and other peptide messengers fine-tuned to human metabolism. In the kitchen, the temporary chef who is standing in for the regular one–off sick, due to a bout of food poisoning–will be preparing Sagan’s dish. Humans are creatures of habit: once his meal arrives the astronomer will eat it, taking solace in good food. (Such a shame about the chef.) “They’re not like us. SETI assumes that NHIs are conscious and welcome communication with humans and, in fact, that humans aren’t atypical. But let’s suppose that humans are atypical. The human species has only been around for about a third of a million years, and has only been making metal tools and building settlements for ten thousand. What if the default for sapient species is measured in the millions of years? And they develop strong defense mechanisms to prevent other species moving into their territory?”
     
    , @anon
    @Anon

    Maybe it will play out that way. But these cuksfags are actually the yamanaya and while we may have been culturally favoring less violence for a couple centuries while also killing off a lot of good fighters in intercine wars within the past generation or two we have shown ourselves to be still the fiercest men who ever lived and smart too a little jew media doesnt change that in 50 years.
    So what we see may actually be an intelligent response to the knowledge of how destructive a war will be and a calculated strategy of moving away from the attackers and placating them with trinkets and because fiat debt and ownership of several continents a belief we can afford to avoid war. But that now we are actually running out of trinkets and land we are coming to realize we must solve this problem. I mean just think for a moment if all white men suddenly got angry at all the sit they really ought to be livid about but have been thinking was no biggie what they could do in one day of berserking, whos going to stop us women? fags? little hispanics and stupid blacks muslims? nah we could wipe them all out in a few days without even using our military if we had the mind to. Minds can change suddenly this is why the left is desperate to get our guns and free speech they know they have pushed us to the point we traditionally get fed up with their shenanigans put them in ovens

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @George
    @Anon

    Too bad there is no common religion to intermediate between the invaders and those invaded. Maybe if there were mass conversions to ...

  2. How are they getting Yumnaya?

    • Replies: @OFWHAP
    @J.Ross


    How are they getting Yumnaya?
     
    The author is obviously turned on by the Yamnaya with their huge, rippling muscles and the ZFG attitude with which they disposed of the neolithic betas of the month. Five minutes with a Yamnaya is better than fifty years with an early European farmer.

    Replies: @Sean

  3. Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the “superior technology,” consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I’ll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them–sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don’t think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @obwandiyag

    Were they blond? I don't know. Supposedly, ANE had the gene, and, of course, Yamnaya had a big ANE component, but so do Native Americans. And it is polygenic anyway. In the papers, they were described as having brown hair, brown eyes, and a light brown skin.

    Replies: @Sam Coulton, @Feryl

    , @Roderick Spode
    @obwandiyag

    You make me so sleepy

    , @Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”
     
    I hadn't realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That's really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn't catch in the 19th century.

    It's amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess
     
    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    -- The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    -- The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    -- The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    -- The natives knew the territory.

    -- The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it's too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don't think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    Replies: @wren, @guest, @Desiderius, @gcochran, @Pericles, @obwandiyag

    , @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag


    consisting of blunderbusses and horses,
     
    No one fought Indians with blunderbusses. They had flintlock muskets at first, then percussion muskets and then cartridge rifles then Winchester lever guns. Though some treasonous traders sold Indians guns, whites had more and better ones and could shoot them better.

    A blunderbuss really was never that useful except to repel boarders in the days of sail. It was an extremely short range weapon and wasteful of powder and shot. In emergencies you could shoot random pebbles, gravel, nails, and whatnot but that tended to be tough on the barrel.

    The horse, of course, was a huge advantage, but some Indian tribes became famed as superb horsemen. The real defeat of Indians was because the white man was simply much more advanced and he kept coming.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Diversity Heretic

    , @Colin Wright
    @obwandiyag

    '...whooee, hoopdedoo, I’ll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them–sorry, Cortez...'

    God, you're an idiot.

    , @guest
    @obwandiyag

    The same Europe who colonized the globe would break against the might of scattered hunter-gatherer groups? Do you honestly believe this?

    The experiment was run many times, guy. Europe almost always won.

    Also, since when did forming alliances to win somehow mean you didn't actually win?

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    , @El Dato
    @obwandiyag

    The liberal dream-mind, hurling insults and stock pictures at reality.

    , @El Dato
    @obwandiyag


    Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America.
     
    I always wondered why the Yuan Khanate didn't get it s act together and press expeditions along its northern coastline. That would have been fun: Columbus meeting a Mongol reception. "We have been here like, forever, and that's our story! What do you want?"

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Desiderius, @Jack D

    , @Digital Samizdat
    @obwandiyag

    So the Great Injun Die-off wasn't a deliberate act of genocide committed by Evil Whitey after all? It was actually because of plague? You mean to tell me that I've been going around all these years wrongly hating my race for annihilating the Indians, when it was really an Act of God that laid them low? You don't say!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Paleo Liberal

    , @Bartolo
    @obwandiyag

    I don't mean to humiliate you, obwandiyag, but it has to be said.
    If it was disease alone that granted victory to the Aryans/Yamnaya, how come only the local men were wiped out? Women were immune, maybe? Stop the moralizing ethnic activism and learn to think.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @backup
    @obwandiyag

    The most blue-eyed and blonde haired culture of the age was Globular Amphora.

    , @interesting
    @obwandiyag

    Did Tiny Duck get a new moniker?

  4. Plague, by the way, is the signal reason for the AngloSaxonJute conquest of Britannia. They don’t teach you that in 7th grade either.

    • Replies: @guest
    @obwandiyag

    And the Norman conquest happened because one guy caught an arrow in the eye.

    Replies: @Don't Look at Me, @JerseyJeffersonian

    , @Jack D
    @obwandiyag

    These must have been strange diseases that killed only men but left the female line intact.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @obwandiyag

    , @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag

    The natives made alliances with Cortez only because they couldn't defeat him and it wasn't because of a lack of trying. The natives broke alliances frequently only to come crawling back when Cortez and his men defeated them by using superior tactics in addition to superior weapons.
    Cortez also had a lot of native supporters who were heartily fed up with the Incan death cult and the loss of their sons and daughters to blood thirsty priests. They realized that allying with Cortez could rid them of the priests.
    Cortez also treated the natives as equals and arranged marriages between his men and the natives to strengthen ties between them.
    This is well documented by one of the original conquistadors.
    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=bernal+diaz+del+castillo

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Keypusher

  5. Carl Zimmer:

    • Replies: @Roderick Spode
    @trelane

    Carl Reiner:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RI7wDpBRqjo

  6. So, we be bad, and our privilege goes back at least 4,500 years. I guess we will never be able to atone for that. No wonder everybody is being “troped” to hate us.

  7. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:

    Reich: “Before my book came out I wrote that sniveling, kumbaya race-is-a-social-construct opinion piece for the Times, and my book still got trashed in a we-the-undersigned letter signed by a bunch of dickhead Twitter anthropologists, so fuck it, the gloves are off, I’m publishing anything I ‘notice’ from now on.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anon

    @7 wrote:

    Reich: “Before my book came out I wrote that sniveling, kumbaya race-is-a-social-construct opinion piece for the Times, and my book still got trashed in a we-the-undersigned letter signed by a bunch of dickhead Twitter anthropologists, so fuck it, the gloves are off, I’m publishing anything I ‘notice’ from now on.”

    Hilarious.

    You know, you just know, that this is what he really thinks, but is too circumspect to utter it. You see it in the sly smile he proffers in his talks, where he can barely contain his enthusiasm for his research.

    David Reich, your classic supersmart Ashkenazi with his effeminate squeaky voice and very very HIGH IQ intellect, along with his team of supersmart Asians and applied math geniuses, are going to (1) destroy the psuedo-sciences of archeology and anthropology; (2) show that European civilization as we know it is due to the much smarter, and more vicious, influx of of the Steppe guys with domesticated horses and the wheel.

    God, I so hope he starts sequencing sub-Saharan ancient genomes, and starts making comparisons to other races -- excuse me -- other "admixtures."

    This guy is a major disrupter. His nerdy persona is perfect for the role. He'll leave the pretenders dismembered in his wake, and appear so reasonable as he does it. It's gonna be a lot of fun to watch.

  8. There is something of a disconnect between the Left accusing Westerners of being imperialists that invaded the rest of the world and then Left anthropologists denying that migrations of the past were violent…you cannot have it both ways

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Andy

    Oh yeah? Who’s gonna stop us, punk?

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Andy


    disconnect between the Left accusing Westerners of being imperialists that invaded the rest of the world and then Left anthropologists denying that migrations of the past were violent
     
    WoW, Andy, fine! We're all just glad you too happened to notice this. So, Andy, let me explain, please: You're right, there is indeed a disconnect, and this is TIME, see? Because this was then and what you notice is now - it for sure has been like this before but its not like that any longer, because things have changed, and in the meantime, we have become civilized and totally responsible as humankind. Now we all have to take responsibility, just because our past was so good. Responsibility and thankfulness - that's all that counts now and what will bring us the final relief. We can't wait for this all to happen, it's so exciting! It is underway actually, so Andy: No need to worry - just relax, take a deep breath and cheer yourself up!, and join our radiant multicultural universal happiness right now!

    (Sigh. Irony off.)

  9. Most violent people who ever lived? I don’t know – that might be Chechens (if you balance a few factors.) But oddly enough, I think they probably have a big Yamnaya component. At least, they are big on ANE, which I assume is sort of a proxy.

    BTW, what is the deal with “Yumnaya?” A rebranding attempt to make them seem friendlier? I like it. I may trademark it and try to turn it into an organic ($$$) ice cream. The carton will be in the style of a Corded Ware pot, with horses, wagons and battle-axes on it, and maybe a Kurgan mound. Maybe, if it is a success, there could be other dairy products too, like yogurt and cheese, since they were pastoralists.

    • Replies: @stillCARealist
    @songbird

    What about the Mongols? did they get dethroned in the Most Violent category? I think the Chinese might have something to say about this.

    Replies: @songbird

  10. Rich, extroverted, nasty, brutish, and tall?

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @CTD

    All these chaps needed was a mid-night basket ball program ……but nooooo…now see what you got!??

    , @forgottenpseudonym
    @CTD

    A tribe of primeval Donald Trumps then?

  11. Hard Times -> Strong Men -> Good Times -> Weak Men

    Rinse and repeat.

  12. within a few generations there was no remains

    God damn it, Daily Mail. My eyes!

    • LOL: jim jones
    • Replies: @anonymous
    @Roderick Spode

    The movie "Idiocracy" seems more prescient every day.

  13. @Anon
    Turn internet addicted , low fertility, high trust western boys into the softest generation that ever existed . Then introduce to the west the hardest, most violent , most clannish ,lowest IQ men from around the globe. We are all bell beakers now.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @guest, @El Dato, @anon, @George

    Stay tuned for part 2 of this story, though. It may surprise you.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Roderick Spode

    Could you elaborate ?

    Replies: @AndrewR

  14. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    Were they blond? I don’t know. Supposedly, ANE had the gene, and, of course, Yamnaya had a big ANE component, but so do Native Americans. And it is polygenic anyway. In the papers, they were described as having brown hair, brown eyes, and a light brown skin.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    @songbird

    You are talking about the Eastern Yamnaya from Ukraine. These people this paper talks about were the Bell Beakers from Germany. The paper erroneously refers to them as "Yamnaya".

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    , @Feryl
    @songbird

    Blonde hair is associated with social reserve, so in all likelihood blond hair only emerged in Northern Europe after centuries of stable, homogeneous communities. What's more is that blondeness peaks in the Baltic region, which is not exactly know for blazing any trails. "Catholic" Europeans (e.g. Celts and Meds) are less blonde than North-Central Euros and have a better reputation for creativity. We see this in American folk-ways, where the Nordic Upper Midwest is consistently terrible at producing notable gentile white artists (esp. in pop music), while the Scots-Irish whites (Elvis, Jim Morrison, James Hetfield, etc.) of the South and West find fame easily.

    Replies: @Sam Coulton, @syonredux

  15. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    You make me so sleepy

  16. Anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”

    I hadn’t realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That’s really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn’t catch in the 19th century.

    It’s amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess

    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    — The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    — The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    — The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    — The natives knew the territory.

    — The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it’s too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don’t think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    • Replies: @wren
    @Anon

    I thought Europeans predated the Incans in Peru and were the ones who built the megalithic parts of Machu Picchu, etc.

    Or maybe they were aliens, haha.

    Maybe they were fleeing the Yamnaya and ended up in Peru.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/918241/Aliens-UFO-Paracas-skulls-DNA-tests-Peru-Brian-Foerster

    Update:

    https://youtu.be/Udwo8Kvvp6Y

    , @guest
    @Anon

    Early European settlers in North America were part of corporate speculation or religious refugees. They didn't equip themselves for prolonged guerilla warfare.

    Their guns would be most useful with massed infantry tactics. But the Red Man wasn't into their conventional warfare. They had to develop anti-insurgency tactics. Which eventually meant playing the tribes off eachother, burning their villages or driving off their people to deprive them of home bases, and mass slaughter.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Desiderius
    @Anon

    Now do Mann’s comparison with today’s settlers. Even bigger underdogs but still making steady inroads. All about wanting it and supply lines.

    , @gcochran
    @Anon

    "The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal."

    which is why the Spaniards would routinely win against enormous odds: they were outnumbered 45 to 1 at Cajamarca.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @Pericles
    @Anon


    I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don’t think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

     

    The Portuguese arrived in Japan in 1543. The history is interesting.

    Though it's set at a later time, you could also have a look at James Clavell's now somewhat forgotten 80s classic, Shogun.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @obwandiyag
    @Anon

    You are right about everything but the North American Indians' level of sophistication.

  17. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    consisting of blunderbusses and horses,

    No one fought Indians with blunderbusses. They had flintlock muskets at first, then percussion muskets and then cartridge rifles then Winchester lever guns. Though some treasonous traders sold Indians guns, whites had more and better ones and could shoot them better.

    A blunderbuss really was never that useful except to repel boarders in the days of sail. It was an extremely short range weapon and wasteful of powder and shot. In emergencies you could shoot random pebbles, gravel, nails, and whatnot but that tended to be tough on the barrel.

    The horse, of course, was a huge advantage, but some Indian tribes became famed as superb horsemen. The real defeat of Indians was because the white man was simply much more advanced and he kept coming.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Anonymous

    Matchlock muskets, actually. Flintlocks came along later. And Indians preferred those over bows. During the late 1600s and the 1700s, the Iroquois ethnically cleansed Ohio, but history books don't make a big deal about THAT.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Anonymous

    Don't forget artillery. However primitive, the ability to place an explosive shell on a group of people at a distance can be very disconcerting, especially if it's a surprise.

  18. @trelane
    Carl Zimmer:

    https://youtu.be/pdFl__NlOpA?t=2

    Replies: @Roderick Spode

    Carl Reiner:

  19. Yes but the native women chose them so it’s ok. The non-yamnaya men were just losers.

    /

    Boomercons

  20. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    ‘…whooee, hoopdedoo, I’ll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them–sorry, Cortez…’

    God, you’re an idiot.

  21. THE YAMNAYA WERE BLOND AND THE WOMEN WENT GAGA, GAGA….

    There is a simple explanation why the Yamnaya replaced the hosts. It was not violence, but gold….i.e. their golden hair (blond), which helped them attract all the women. And fast cars (i.e. their fast chariots) which probably helped them take the women out on a picnic.

    This is confirmed by the Tarim Basin mummies many of which where blond and ancient texts, such as the Rig Veda, which describes their Gods, such as Indra (= Thor, God of Thunder) as being blonde.

    Eg.

    “…hadst pleasure in their lauds, O Indra golden-haired.” – [Rig Veda 10]

    “O Surya with the golden hair , ascend for us day after day.” – [Rig Veda 10]

    “At the swift draught the Soma-drinker [Indra] waxed in might, the Iron One with yellow beard and yellow hair.” – [Rig Veda 10]

    “To her ….to this golden-locked Nirriti (goddess of misfortune), I have rendered obeisance.” – [Adharva Veda]

    “For new prosperity we seek to Agni, him whose course is splendid, gold-haired, excellently bright” – [Rig Veda 3]

    “O Surya with the golden hair, ascend for us.” [Rig Veda 10]

    “With flashing teeth and beard of gold, deft with his unabated might.” [Rig Veda 5]

    At: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1165427/pg1

  22. Blonde Beasts confirmed?

    By the way, how does the Daily Mail come down on every other genocide ever (besides the obvious)? Were those all perpetrated by evil tall muscular people?

  23. @Anon
    Turn internet addicted , low fertility, high trust western boys into the softest generation that ever existed . Then introduce to the west the hardest, most violent , most clannish ,lowest IQ men from around the globe. We are all bell beakers now.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @guest, @El Dato, @anon, @George

    Except we’re taller.

  24. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    The same Europe who colonized the globe would break against the might of scattered hunter-gatherer groups? Do you honestly believe this?

    The experiment was run many times, guy. Europe almost always won.

    Also, since when did forming alliances to win somehow mean you didn’t actually win?

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @guest

    Exactly. Forming alliances works great for AIPAC having really won America. For example, the world's top cop, Trump, says Golan Heights belongs to Tel Aviv. America first, eh, Donster? Way to sell blunderbusses to Injuns.

  25. @obwandiyag
    Plague, by the way, is the signal reason for the AngloSaxonJute conquest of Britannia. They don't teach you that in 7th grade either.

    Replies: @guest, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    And the Norman conquest happened because one guy caught an arrow in the eye.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    @guest

    I thought he took an arrow to the knee.

    Replies: @guest

    , @JerseyJeffersonian
    @guest

    Well, the Normans were greatly aided by the fact that Harald & the fyrd had to quick march to meet them after defeating an invading Viking army, casualties and injuries be damned. And they still gave the Normans a hard fight.

  26. @Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”
     
    I hadn't realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That's really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn't catch in the 19th century.

    It's amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess
     
    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    -- The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    -- The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    -- The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    -- The natives knew the territory.

    -- The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it's too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don't think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    Replies: @wren, @guest, @Desiderius, @gcochran, @Pericles, @obwandiyag

    I thought Europeans predated the Incans in Peru and were the ones who built the megalithic parts of Machu Picchu, etc.

    Or maybe they were aliens, haha.

    Maybe they were fleeing the Yamnaya and ended up in Peru.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/918241/Aliens-UFO-Paracas-skulls-DNA-tests-Peru-Brian-Foerster

    Update:

  27. @Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”
     
    I hadn't realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That's really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn't catch in the 19th century.

    It's amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess
     
    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    -- The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    -- The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    -- The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    -- The natives knew the territory.

    -- The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it's too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don't think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    Replies: @wren, @guest, @Desiderius, @gcochran, @Pericles, @obwandiyag

    Early European settlers in North America were part of corporate speculation or religious refugees. They didn’t equip themselves for prolonged guerilla warfare.

    Their guns would be most useful with massed infantry tactics. But the Red Man wasn’t into their conventional warfare. They had to develop anti-insurgency tactics. Which eventually meant playing the tribes off eachother, burning their villages or driving off their people to deprive them of home bases, and mass slaughter.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @guest

    Again, Charles Mann in one of his books recounts an early, short-term European New England settlement whose members were taken to and introduced to the local honcho, who ruled over quite a territory that was a politically and socially organized agricultural society. A few years later when the Europeans came back to resettle, the entire ... nation or whatever it was, was gone. They now blame it on disease.

    Although no one disease ever killed more than 5 percent of the indigenous population, it was new and frightening, and the contagiousness was on some level understood, so entire societies fragmented with small groups of Indians fleeing to all compass points. Although we don't know what happened in the Midwest, there are signs of a fallen agricultural kingdom there, and certain weird ecological imbalances reported by early visitors could have been signs of a sudden change in human habitation.

  28. I am wondering what happened in North Africa. I mean, all the men in Spain were killed, right? So, was there any sign of them crossing the Med? During Roman times, the Numidians were supposed to have a strong cavalry, so I assume there was at least some pasture there. But maybe, it took a while to breed the proper type of horse.

  29. In fairness, everything the Daily Mail reports is the most X thing that ever happened.

  30. Interesting, especially in light of all those verses in the Jewish founding documents where their god commands them to put all the males to the sword and enslave the women and children. For example, Deuteronomy 20:10-15:

    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. (NIV)

    A little over a year ago, I was attempting to start an innovative program in Lexington, Missouri to stem the epidemic of suicide devastating white males (we are 30 percent of the population, 70 percent of suicides). It would have been a 13-week residency program involving a healthy, mostly raw diet, daily morning exercise, a rigorous academic program including history, philosophy, poetry, music, math, and literature, and two hours of intensive boxing training every day but Sunday.

    While the program was targeted at the specific challenges unique to white males in modern America (for example, the history component of the program would have used contemporaneous source documents to give the guys a different–accurate–view of the Civil War than the anti-white one they’ve gotten from Hollywood), it was always open, and clearly stated as open, to men in distress of any race.

    Who could possibly oppose any program to prevent the suicide of any humans, right?

    The SPLC unloaded on me, linking the program, which was only just getting off the ground, to “Nazi atrocities” and comparing me to a neo-Nazi who tried to start a “whites-only” colony in North Dakota some time back.

    My program was brought to a screeching halt, of course and I’m suing the SPLC right now in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri. They deserve to lose, and will, I think, but, I gotta say, they had help from the howling mob of local white women–who were just vicious about “that racist shit”–and local white males with an Ivy League background. (and of course local town leaders who were utterly spineless and, in fact, furious at me for having been the cause of some outfit in Montgomery, Alabama using the word “Nazi” and the name of their little town in the same article).

    But, as it says in my complaint, “Plaintiff’s theory regarding the causes behind the opioid crisis might have merit, or he might be a crackpot, but given the scale of human suffering at issue, it is an outrage against human decency that Defendant’s well-honed method of character assassination and defamation prevented even a simple test of Plaintiff’s theory. What, other than a deep animus, could explain why anyone would object to an attempt—any attempt—to alleviate the undeniable, documented, ongoing suffering of other human beings? It seems clear that the real social threat the January and February events in Lexington, Missouri exposed was not that Plaintiff has too much love for high IQ white men, it was that Defendant has too much hate for them.”

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/NELSENvSPLC.pdf

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Craig Nelsen

    Wow, a howling mob of local White women figuring that if White men are not completely successful, they deserve to DIE DIE DIE!

    Wow, where have I EVER heard that one before?

    White women are the most Darwinian of creatures, they can't help it. Its hardwired. Expecting compassion and solidarity out of them for White men in distress is like expecting a cat to do calculus. It simply cannot be done.

    Indeed the worse White men are, the more White women figure they had it coming, and move on to other men. Again this is hard-wired into White women, its why immavasion has "Refugees Welcome!" stuff, and White Knighters of all types supplicating. And of COURSE the $PLC wants all White men dead. Its who they are. They figure they're not really White. [A dumb move, but one repeated over and over again in History.]

    Re the Conquest of Mexico and Peru and North and South America. Europeans were at first, thin in number. But they had all sorts of advantages against the natives.

    First, the Aztecs, Incans, and North and South American civilizations (the Tarrascans, Mixtec, Mayans, Hopi, Mound Builders, etc) had no sense of constant, organized warfare and strategy, tactics, maneuvers, shock battle, etc. They would either wage warrior type raids, like typical nomads, or among the civilized tribes stage a conflict among themselves that was settled by the battle, for the most part. [Wars among the Maya being the main exception and most like the Greek City states.]

    They had the wheel -- and used it only for children's toys. They had no concept like Europeans did going back to the Greeks and perfected by the Romans of logistics, supply, professional soldiers, of combat engineering, siege engines, siege warfare, metal working, gunpowder, sail, map making, and trans-oceanic travel. Had Cortez been defeated there would have been an Army of adventurers, soldiers, engineers, and more all waiting to stage another expedition. With ships from Europe and Jamaica to supply them, and nearly 2,000 years of experience WRITTEN DOWN on how to fight wars of extermination. Europe's soldiers had the lessons of Cannae, of Lake Tresimene, of Trebia, of the Grannicus River, of Tyre, of Platea, and Salamis. The Aztecs had a bunch of myths and had no conception of what the Conquistadors were capable of, how they fought, and what they could do in shock battle with metal blades.

    Nor were the Indians the only ones beset by disease. The Europeans were not immune and New World diseases particularly Yellow Fever hit them hard as well. I would say the particular European talent is for organization in high trust environments to produce mass slaughter of their enemies found few able to stand against them. Indeed the only enemy White men never conquered were their own women.

    Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird, @Fluesterwitz, @Diversity Heretic

  31. My post disappeared with a note it was “marked as spam”, so I’m reposting:

    Interesting, especially in light of all those verses in the Jewish founding documents where their god commands them to put all the males to the sword and enslave the women and children. For example, Deuteronomy 20:10-15:

    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. (NIV)

    A little over a year ago, I was attempting to start an innovative program in Lexington, Missouri to stem the epidemic of suicide devastating white males (we are 30 percent of the population, 70 percent of suicides). It would have been a 13-week residency program involving a healthy, mostly raw diet, daily morning exercise, a rigorous academic program including history, philosophy, poetry, music, math, and literature, and two hours of intensive boxing training every day but Sunday.

    While the program was targeted at the specific challenges unique to white males in modern America (for example, the history component of the program would have used contemporaneous source documents to give the guys a different–accurate–view of the Civil War than the anti-white one they’ve gotten from Hollywood), it was always open, and clearly stated as open, to men in distress of any race.

    Who could possibly oppose any program to prevent the suicide of any humans, right?

    The SPLC unloaded on me, linking the program, which was only just getting off the ground, to “Nazi atrocities” and comparing me to a neo-Nazi who tried to start a “whites-only” colony in North Dakota some time back.

    My program was brought to a screeching halt, of course and I’m suing the SPLC right now in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri. They deserve to lose, and will, I think, but, I gotta say, they had help from the howling mob of local white women–who were just vicious about “that racist shit”–and local white males with an Ivy League background. (and of course local town leaders who were utterly spineless and, in fact, furious at me for having been the cause of some outfit in Montgomery, Alabama using the word “Nazi” and the name of their little town in the same article).

    But, as it says in my complaint,

    “Plaintiff’s theory regarding the causes behind the opioid crisis might have merit, or he might be a crackpot, but given the scale of human suffering at issue, it is an outrage against human decency that Defendant’s well-honed method of character assassination and defamation prevented even a simple test of Plaintiff’s theory. What, other than a deep animus, could explain why anyone would object to an attempt—any attempt—to alleviate the undeniable, documented, ongoing suffering of other human beings? It seems clear that the real social threat the January and February events in Lexington, Missouri exposed was not that Plaintiff has too much love for high IQ white men, it was that Defendant has too much hate for them.”

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/NELSENvSPLC.pdf

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    There is a huge recurring problem in this world.

    Since you lived in China, I am sure you heard plenty of stories of the anti-rightist witch hunts that went on during the Cultural Revolution.

    Many Chinese readers of The Crucible asked Arthur Miller if the trial scenes in the play were translations of Chinese show trials during that time. Of course the play was written earlier. Miller was drawing parallels between the excesses of McCarthyism and the Salem Witch Trials. In that when there is hysteria, just being accused makes one guilty.

    For the record, one of my ancestors was the woman hanged after falsely being accused of being a witch. More recently, my grandfather was falsely accused by McCarthy of being a Communist. In fact, my grandfather was a specialist in international law who represented the interests of the Rockefeller and Ford families in their dealings with the USSR.

    I fear in the current climate, being accused of racism is sufficient to destroy one’s reputation. Nor is any distinction made between the mildest forms of racism, such as feeling a little uneasy in the presence of those different from you, or the more extreme kinds, such as genocide. In fact, the fear of being accused of racism is used to keep dissent from rising up.

    The people I know in NYC who can freely oppose open borders are Asian immigrants. They say things which would be considered xenophobic if I said them.

    As for the SPLC, it is horrible in a free society for one unelected and unaccountable organization to have the power to determine what the limits of free speech are.

    As for Congressman Crowley, karma is AOC

    As for you, I have no idea if you are racist or not, nor do I know the extent of any racism you may or may not have. I refuse to let the SPLC make that determination for me.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Neil Templeton

    , @Jack D
    @Craig Nelsen

    What is being described in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 was not uniquely Jewish but was pretty much standard practice in the ancient world (and in fact up to near-modern times). In fact God (or the authors of Deuteronomy are offering moral instruction which is supposed to be an IMPROVEMENT on barbarian practices - if you besiege a city you are supposed to offer them peace first and if they surrender then you are obligated NOT to kill all the men.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    , @ben tillman
    @Craig Nelsen

    Why are you suing in Missouri, instead of Alabama where the law is so much more favorable? Are you scared of a black Alabama jury?

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

  32. Can this story be correct? My y-dna is I-M26, which is Neolithic, I believe. 23andMe say my haplotype is not especially rare.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    @Foreign Expert

    Could these guys really have gone everywhere? Little towns and villages all over the place. I could see them going to the population concentrations along the highly traveled routes, but there had to have been a lot of places they just never got to, or by the time they did they had settled down and were comfortable.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  33. @Andy
    There is something of a disconnect between the Left accusing Westerners of being imperialists that invaded the rest of the world and then Left anthropologists denying that migrations of the past were violent...you cannot have it both ways

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dieter Kief

    Oh yeah? Who’s gonna stop us, punk?

  34. @Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”
     
    I hadn't realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That's really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn't catch in the 19th century.

    It's amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess
     
    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    -- The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    -- The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    -- The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    -- The natives knew the territory.

    -- The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it's too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don't think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    Replies: @wren, @guest, @Desiderius, @gcochran, @Pericles, @obwandiyag

    Now do Mann’s comparison with today’s settlers. Even bigger underdogs but still making steady inroads. All about wanting it and supply lines.

  35. @Craig Nelsen
    Interesting, especially in light of all those verses in the Jewish founding documents where their god commands them to put all the males to the sword and enslave the women and children. For example, Deuteronomy 20:10-15:

    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. (NIV)
     
    A little over a year ago, I was attempting to start an innovative program in Lexington, Missouri to stem the epidemic of suicide devastating white males (we are 30 percent of the population, 70 percent of suicides). It would have been a 13-week residency program involving a healthy, mostly raw diet, daily morning exercise, a rigorous academic program including history, philosophy, poetry, music, math, and literature, and two hours of intensive boxing training every day but Sunday.

    While the program was targeted at the specific challenges unique to white males in modern America (for example, the history component of the program would have used contemporaneous source documents to give the guys a different--accurate--view of the Civil War than the anti-white one they've gotten from Hollywood), it was always open, and clearly stated as open, to men in distress of any race.

    Who could possibly oppose any program to prevent the suicide of any humans, right?

    The SPLC unloaded on me, linking the program, which was only just getting off the ground, to "Nazi atrocities" and comparing me to a neo-Nazi who tried to start a "whites-only" colony in North Dakota some time back.

    My program was brought to a screeching halt, of course and I'm suing the SPLC right now in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri. They deserve to lose, and will, I think, but, I gotta say, they had help from the howling mob of local white women--who were just vicious about "that racist shit"--and local white males with an Ivy League background. (and of course local town leaders who were utterly spineless and, in fact, furious at me for having been the cause of some outfit in Montgomery, Alabama using the word "Nazi" and the name of their little town in the same article).

    But, as it says in my complaint, "Plaintiff's theory regarding the causes behind the opioid crisis might have merit, or he might be a crackpot, but given the scale of human suffering at issue, it is an outrage against human decency that Defendant's well-honed method of character assassination and defamation prevented even a simple test of Plaintiff's theory. What, other than a deep animus, could explain why anyone would object to an attempt—any attempt—to alleviate the undeniable, documented, ongoing suffering of other human beings? It seems clear that the real social threat the January and February events in Lexington, Missouri exposed was not that Plaintiff has too much love for high IQ white men, it was that Defendant has too much hate for them."

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/NELSENvSPLC.pdf

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Wow, a howling mob of local White women figuring that if White men are not completely successful, they deserve to DIE DIE DIE!

    Wow, where have I EVER heard that one before?

    White women are the most Darwinian of creatures, they can’t help it. Its hardwired. Expecting compassion and solidarity out of them for White men in distress is like expecting a cat to do calculus. It simply cannot be done.

    Indeed the worse White men are, the more White women figure they had it coming, and move on to other men. Again this is hard-wired into White women, its why immavasion has “Refugees Welcome!” stuff, and White Knighters of all types supplicating. And of COURSE the $PLC wants all White men dead. Its who they are. They figure they’re not really White. [A dumb move, but one repeated over and over again in History.]

    Re the Conquest of Mexico and Peru and North and South America. Europeans were at first, thin in number. But they had all sorts of advantages against the natives.

    First, the Aztecs, Incans, and North and South American civilizations (the Tarrascans, Mixtec, Mayans, Hopi, Mound Builders, etc) had no sense of constant, organized warfare and strategy, tactics, maneuvers, shock battle, etc. They would either wage warrior type raids, like typical nomads, or among the civilized tribes stage a conflict among themselves that was settled by the battle, for the most part. [Wars among the Maya being the main exception and most like the Greek City states.]

    They had the wheel — and used it only for children’s toys. They had no concept like Europeans did going back to the Greeks and perfected by the Romans of logistics, supply, professional soldiers, of combat engineering, siege engines, siege warfare, metal working, gunpowder, sail, map making, and trans-oceanic travel. Had Cortez been defeated there would have been an Army of adventurers, soldiers, engineers, and more all waiting to stage another expedition. With ships from Europe and Jamaica to supply them, and nearly 2,000 years of experience WRITTEN DOWN on how to fight wars of extermination. Europe’s soldiers had the lessons of Cannae, of Lake Tresimene, of Trebia, of the Grannicus River, of Tyre, of Platea, and Salamis. The Aztecs had a bunch of myths and had no conception of what the Conquistadors were capable of, how they fought, and what they could do in shock battle with metal blades.

    Nor were the Indians the only ones beset by disease. The Europeans were not immune and New World diseases particularly Yellow Fever hit them hard as well. I would say the particular European talent is for organization in high trust environments to produce mass slaughter of their enemies found few able to stand against them. Indeed the only enemy White men never conquered were their own women.

    • Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird
    @Whiskey

    Yellow Fever is an African Disease brought over by Mosquito larva in the water casks of slave ships. The myth that Africans were immune was because most slaves had survived Yellow fever as children and were immune. That was the true Reparations for Slavery.

    , @Fluesterwitz
    @Whiskey

    "They had the wheel — and used it only for children’s toys."

    Due to lack of tin they had no bronze, which is kind of important to have for wheel-bearings and such things. Then again, the Romans didn't build their marching roads for carts either.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Whiskey

    Good post and comments! I wouldn't underplay technology however. When Norsemen arrived in North America they were eventually driven out by the Skraelings (and possibly by the Little Ice Age), partially because Norse weapons weren't all that much better than those of the Indians. The development of firearms and gunpowder did a lot to tip the balance by the 16th Century.

  36. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:

    “They had nutritionally rich diets and were tall, muscular and skilled horse riders”

    Maybe not. Horse domestication seems to have happened at least 1,000 years after Yanmaya spread into Western Europe. The earliest evidence of horses living with people goes to ~3,000-2500 BC located in modern Kazakhstan, well before the assumed AIE’s taking over Eurasia.

  37. Anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @guest
    @Anon

    Early European settlers in North America were part of corporate speculation or religious refugees. They didn't equip themselves for prolonged guerilla warfare.

    Their guns would be most useful with massed infantry tactics. But the Red Man wasn't into their conventional warfare. They had to develop anti-insurgency tactics. Which eventually meant playing the tribes off eachother, burning their villages or driving off their people to deprive them of home bases, and mass slaughter.

    Replies: @Anon

    Again, Charles Mann in one of his books recounts an early, short-term European New England settlement whose members were taken to and introduced to the local honcho, who ruled over quite a territory that was a politically and socially organized agricultural society. A few years later when the Europeans came back to resettle, the entire … nation or whatever it was, was gone. They now blame it on disease.

    Although no one disease ever killed more than 5 percent of the indigenous population, it was new and frightening, and the contagiousness was on some level understood, so entire societies fragmented with small groups of Indians fleeing to all compass points. Although we don’t know what happened in the Midwest, there are signs of a fallen agricultural kingdom there, and certain weird ecological imbalances reported by early visitors could have been signs of a sudden change in human habitation.

  38. It’s only acceptable for them to frame the story this way because the Yamnaya are the ancestors of…well, you know who: white people. It’s OK to demonize our ancestors.

    And I have questions about this statement: “Genetic analysis found that this movement of the Yamnaya descendants happened around 4,400 years ago and coincides with when the Britons of the time, who built Stonehenge, completely disappeared. There is no remnants of their DNA in the genome of modern people, but more significantly, there is no proof of the original Brits even a handful or generations later.”

    Cheddar Man, found in Britain, dates to about 9,000 years ago, and at least one study showed that about 10% of modern, non-immigrant Britons trace ancestry to the same group of people as Cheddar Man. Interestingly there were several other skeletons found in the same cave that predate Cheddar Man by 5,000 years, and are basically unrelated to modern Britons. So the notion that all previous people were wiped out seems a bit exaggerated.

    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    @Wilkey

    "Cheddar Man, found in Britain, dates to about 9,000 years ago, and at least one study showed that about 10% of modern, non-immigrant Britons trace ancestry to the same group of people as Cheddar Man. Interestingly there were several other skeletons found in the same cave that predate Cheddar Man by 5,000 years, and are basically unrelated to modern Britons."

    This can get kind of complicated.

    Look we have been in an ice age for... dunno 20,000+ years now (we are still in one actually).

    Anyway, for a good bit of that, the UK isles were part of "Doggerland" basically. Doggerland refers to the areas currently underwater, around the UK and other western European countries. If you do a data search or just go to the wiki you will find maps and whatnot.

    So basically you could just walk to the UK about 12,000 years ago or so.

    And another thing: there have been several waves of glaciation over this time. Not going to research this to put up links and exact data, but several times over the past 20,000 years the UK has essentially been covered by glaciers or all but some of the southern regions were covered by glaciers.

    So in regards to skeletons even older than Cheddar Man, they probably settled (by walking uphill) the UK during periods when the glaciers receded. And when the glaciers came back, they probably just walked downhill to Doggerland where it was warmer and much nicer actually.

    Until the seas rose and Doggerland was inundated.

    Hmmm, from the wiki page:

    "Doggerland was an area of land, now submerged beneath the southern North Sea, that connected Great Britain to continental Europe. It was flooded by rising sea levels around 6,500–6,200 BC. Geological surveys have suggested that it stretched from Britain's east coast to the Netherlands and the western coasts of Germany and the peninsula of Jutland.[1] It was probably a rich habitat with human habitation in the Mesolithic period,[2] although rising sea levels gradually reduced it to low-lying islands before its final submergence, possibly following a tsunami caused by the Storegga Slide.[3]"

    The UK glaciers receded for good around 8000 BC? Whether "the movements of the peoples" were occuring during this time I do not know, but this... walkability is something you have to consider when talking about this time period.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Travis
    @Wilkey

    the evidence suggests that there was no Y chromosome from the pre-Yamnaya men which has survived in modern males. But since Yamnaya males did mate with the aboriginal British we would expect some DNA in modern British to have some DNA from the aboriginal British peoples from 9,000 years ago.

    Replies: @Wilkey

  39. @J.Ross
    How are they getting Yumnaya?

    Replies: @OFWHAP

    How are they getting Yumnaya?

    The author is obviously turned on by the Yamnaya with their huge, rippling muscles and the ZFG attitude with which they disposed of the neolithic betas of the month. Five minutes with a Yamnaya is better than fifty years with an early European farmer.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @OFWHAP


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas#Late_archaeology

    The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which, based on her documented archaeological findings, presented an overview of her conclusions about Neolithic cultures across Europe: housing patterns, social structure, art, religion, and the nature of literacy.

    The Civilization of the Goddess articulated what Gimbutas saw as the differences between the Old European system, which she considered goddess- and woman-centered (gynocentric), and the Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal ("androcratic") culture which supplanted it. According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    The androcratic, or male-dominated, Kurgan peoples, on the other hand, invaded Europe and imposed upon its natives the hierarchical rule of male warriors.
     
    They burnt their own wives alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Suttee. The women had an extreme need to elicite care and provisioning. Hence progressively whiter skin from a swarthy start. Red hair genes, which also make the skin very pale, are commonest in the areas of the British Isles where people are tallest and have the largest heads (West Coast Ireland and Northern Scotland) Scotland has the most Yamnaya ancestry in Britain acording to Reich's data, but as the Copper age female Bell Beaker remains from the Highland's show, the early Bell Beakers were dark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Feryl, @Carol

  40. • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @eah

    Being relocated to a small city near you!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @AndrewR
    @eah

    Terrifying for whom?

    Replies: @eah

  41. @guest
    @obwandiyag

    And the Norman conquest happened because one guy caught an arrow in the eye.

    Replies: @Don't Look at Me, @JerseyJeffersonian

    I thought he took an arrow to the knee.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Don't Look at Me

    I think that's a meme, though I'm unfamiliar with its origin.

    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Desiderius, @res

  42. @Foreign Expert
    Can this story be correct? My y-dna is I-M26, which is Neolithic, I believe. 23andMe say my haplotype is not especially rare.

    Replies: @Don't Look at Me

    Could these guys really have gone everywhere? Little towns and villages all over the place. I could see them going to the population concentrations along the highly traveled routes, but there had to have been a lot of places they just never got to, or by the time they did they had settled down and were comfortable.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Don't Look at Me

    Their women were probably lured from all the small villages to the population centers by promises of equal pay for equal work and exposure to the wonders of diversity.

  43. A Copper Age Bell Beaker woman found in the Highlands of Scotland

    By modern Europrean standards she was very swarthy. She had an enormous head. Head size and violence have greatly reduced since .

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking
    “When you select against aggression, you get some surprising traits that come along with it,” Wrangham says. “My suspicion is that the easiest way for natural selection to reduce aggressiveness is to favor those individuals whose brains develop relatively slowly in relation to their bodies.” When fully grown, such an animal does not display as much aggression because it has a more juvenile brain, which tends to be less aggressive than that of an adult. “This is a very easy target for natural selection,” Wrangham argues, because it probably does not depend on numerous mutations but rather on the tweaking of one or two regulatory genes that determine the timing of a whole cascade of developmental events.

    With extremely violent husbands there would be selection for lighter skin.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Sean

    So we need pills that arrest brain development. Probably technically easy to do. That's something that would cause the "little" blacks to look very different indeed.

    , @Sam Coulton
    @Sean

    That reconstruction isn't based on any pigmentation SNP data and the Bell Beakers were already light before all this.. The level of violence in a society doesn't affect skin pigmentation; the two are totally unrelated.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @anonymous
    @Sean

    My God...it's Monica.

    , @Jack D
    @Sean

    This is the way it works in dogs - dogs are wolves that never grow up and become aggressive like mature wolves but remain fixated at the wolf puppy stage. It's very hard to introduce new traits and behaviors into an animal that doesn't already have them - this can take hundreds of thousands of years. But emphasizing a trait that is already present is very easy and can be bred in just a few generations of selective breeding.

    It looks to me like they are making a lot of blind guesses. They probably have no evidence for her hair color and texture, nor skin color. The jaw seems to be mostly imaginary too. Also when you dig up one individual you don't know if you have dug up an outlier. Maybe this woman had an unusually large head that was bigger than 90% of her friends. They would all laugh at us if we chose her to be the representative of her race.

    It's hard to believe that human heads used to be much bigger because the heads that we have now barely fit thru women's hips. Humans have an design constraint in that we need really big brains to do our hairless ape who lives off his wits shtick but if you make the hips too wide it becomes hard to walk upright and too narrow and the babies get stuck at too high a rate to allow the species to survive. Also if ancient humans had these really big brains why weren't they building Wakanda?

    , @JMcG
    @Sean

    Looks like Catherine Zeta-Jones a bit.

  44. Anonymous[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Confusing article.

    Apart from spelling ‘Yamanya’ as ‘Yumanya’ halfwag through the article, the ‘Bell Beaker’ people, were, in fact a heavily Steppe autosomal DNA people – just like the ‘Yamanya’ – with typical Steppe Y DNA haplotypes, who are thought, by some, to be an offshoot of the corded ware folks.

    Anyhow, Y haplotypes I1 – the quintessential ‘Germanic’ or ‘Nordic’ haplotype is non Steppic – believed to be attributed to the pre invasion farmer/hunter folk the Steppe people conquered, as is I2, which is exceedingly common in today’s Europe – even in Great Britain.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anonymous

    https://youtu.be/cwq6k4WiwHo?t=116


    Serbs: Extremely tall with flat back heads. Hmmm.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

  45. @OFWHAP
    @J.Ross


    How are they getting Yumnaya?
     
    The author is obviously turned on by the Yamnaya with their huge, rippling muscles and the ZFG attitude with which they disposed of the neolithic betas of the month. Five minutes with a Yamnaya is better than fifty years with an early European farmer.

    Replies: @Sean

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas#Late_archaeology

    The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which, based on her documented archaeological findings, presented an overview of her conclusions about Neolithic cultures across Europe: housing patterns, social structure, art, religion, and the nature of literacy.

    The Civilization of the Goddess articulated what Gimbutas saw as the differences between the Old European system, which she considered goddess- and woman-centered (gynocentric), and the Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal (“androcratic”) culture which supplanted it. According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    The androcratic, or male-dominated, Kurgan peoples, on the other hand, invaded Europe and imposed upon its natives the hierarchical rule of male warriors.

    They burnt their own wives alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Suttee. The women had an extreme need to elicite care and provisioning. Hence progressively whiter skin from a swarthy start. Red hair genes, which also make the skin very pale, are commonest in the areas of the British Isles where people are tallest and have the largest heads (West Coast Ireland and Northern Scotland) Scotland has the most Yamnaya ancestry in Britain acording to Reich’s data, but as the Copper age female Bell Beaker remains from the Highland’s show, the early Bell Beakers were dark.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    Gimbutas is a really interesting figure.

    Replies: @backup

    , @El Dato
    @Sean


    According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.
     
    Economic equality? Really?

    They had this big moonshot project "Stonehenge" going. Don't tell me everybody took turns in afternoons working on it, kumbaya style.
    , @Jack D
    @Sean


    According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.
     
    This sounds like pure wishful thinking and projection to me. The past is a tabula rasa onto which Gimbutas has projected her fantasies. This has nothing to do with science. I would love to have a time machine whereby we could send Gimbutas back to her prelapsarian paradise and there she would be raped, cruelly tortured and murdered within 24 hours of arriving on the orders of Tribal Leader Ancestral Tina Tchen.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Steve Sailer

    , @Feryl
    @Sean

    Northern Brits and the Irish have extremely pale skin because the sun seldom shines there, plus there generally isn't snow on the ground to reflect sun-light back at people. Blue eyes are also extremely common in Ireland, for the same reasons (e.g., brown eyes are less easily damaged by bright sun-light). Scandinavians and Slavs aren't quite as pale because they have colder winters where snow is often on the ground (likewise, Canadian and Plains Indians, as well as people whose ancestors came from Northern Asia, didn't develop extremely pale skin because of ground snow sun reflection). Celtic ancestry is considered the biggest risk factor for skin cancer.

    Replies: @John Gruskos

    , @Carol
    @Sean

    Is this yamnaya ancestry something you need need a male sibling's DNA tested to find out?

    I'm thinking of sending a kit to my brother.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  46. Ancient version of MS-13?

  47. @Don't Look at Me
    @guest

    I thought he took an arrow to the knee.

    Replies: @guest

    I think that’s a meme, though I’m unfamiliar with its origin.

    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @guest

    When one of the guys who injured your knee runs you through with a sword later.

    , @Desiderius
    @guest

    It is. Elder Scrolls series (Morrowind, Skyrim, etc...).

    , @res
    @guest


    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?
     
    Not sure if you are actually looking for a response, but a damaged femoral artery could be much quicker than that.
    https://www.quora.com/How-fast-will-you-bleed-out-if-you-cut-the-main-artery-in-your-leg

    Replies: @Keypusher

  48. The Daily Mail comments are priceless. Despite their Yamnaya ancestry (around 50%, is it?), they are calling the Yamnaya people “immigrants” and saying that “history repeats itself”. Perhaps they now accept the left’s claim that Britain is a nation of immigrants.

    Immigration restrictionists are rather amusing at times.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @Edward

    What's funny is the Brits sing that song about how they will never be slaves, when their entire history is them being slaves -- the Yamnaya, the Romans, Saxons, Normans and now Pakistanis. All have conquered Britain. Perhaps it's time for a new song?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Edward


    they are calling the Yamnaya people “immigrants” and saying that “history repeats itself”.
     
    Yes, you could call Yamnaya immigrants. They migrated. Also they had a conflict with locals. That's frequently happens with mass migration.

    So, where's the fun element?
  49. @Sean
    @OFWHAP


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas#Late_archaeology

    The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which, based on her documented archaeological findings, presented an overview of her conclusions about Neolithic cultures across Europe: housing patterns, social structure, art, religion, and the nature of literacy.

    The Civilization of the Goddess articulated what Gimbutas saw as the differences between the Old European system, which she considered goddess- and woman-centered (gynocentric), and the Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal ("androcratic") culture which supplanted it. According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    The androcratic, or male-dominated, Kurgan peoples, on the other hand, invaded Europe and imposed upon its natives the hierarchical rule of male warriors.
     
    They burnt their own wives alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Suttee. The women had an extreme need to elicite care and provisioning. Hence progressively whiter skin from a swarthy start. Red hair genes, which also make the skin very pale, are commonest in the areas of the British Isles where people are tallest and have the largest heads (West Coast Ireland and Northern Scotland) Scotland has the most Yamnaya ancestry in Britain acording to Reich's data, but as the Copper age female Bell Beaker remains from the Highland's show, the early Bell Beakers were dark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Feryl, @Carol

    Gimbutas is a really interesting figure.

    • Replies: @backup
    @Steve Sailer

    She also was massively wrong in her description of "Old Europe". First of all, she describes a first wave of IE noticeable in several cultures by the first signs of diversification of status and by signs of warrior cult. However, ancient DNA showed these cultures to be unadmixted farmers: Remedello, Varna, the Iberian early Bell Beakers. The latter has a burial of a prince, buried with his 20 young wives.

    https://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-prince-and-his-twenty-wives-garcia.html

    But the earliest farmers also had signs of violence. Also, they weren't the soy boys to let their women be taken without retaliation: All members of a Corded Ware (That is an IE culture) family in Eulau met a violent death.

  50. @Anonymous
    Confusing article.

    Apart from spelling 'Yamanya' as 'Yumanya' halfwag through the article, the 'Bell Beaker' people, were, in fact a heavily Steppe autosomal DNA people - just like the 'Yamanya' - with typical Steppe Y DNA haplotypes, who are thought, by some, to be an offshoot of the corded ware folks.

    Anyhow, Y haplotypes I1 - the quintessential 'Germanic' or 'Nordic' haplotype is non Steppic - believed to be attributed to the pre invasion farmer/hunter folk the Steppe people conquered, as is I2, which is exceedingly common in today's Europe - even in Great Britain.

    Replies: @Sean

    Serbs: Extremely tall with flat back heads. Hmmm.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    A lot of flat back heads tend to be due to "cradle-boarding" - mom binding her baby to a board backpack. This was realized between the wars and it was kind of embarrassing for physical anthropologists, who had assumed that flat head backs were genetic, but turned out to be cultural.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Sean

    Listen.... I went to school with many Serbs.

    1. they are not very tall. Some are, most are not, just like us, Croats

    2. they don't have "flat back heads", this is absurd

    Replies: @Sean

  51. She said the IndoEuropeans introduced primogeniture. It may have been very significant in the monoplisation of whole populations over time by certain Y-chromosome lines. Also, I think there would be intense female-female competition (for the heir).

  52. @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag


    consisting of blunderbusses and horses,
     
    No one fought Indians with blunderbusses. They had flintlock muskets at first, then percussion muskets and then cartridge rifles then Winchester lever guns. Though some treasonous traders sold Indians guns, whites had more and better ones and could shoot them better.

    A blunderbuss really was never that useful except to repel boarders in the days of sail. It was an extremely short range weapon and wasteful of powder and shot. In emergencies you could shoot random pebbles, gravel, nails, and whatnot but that tended to be tough on the barrel.

    The horse, of course, was a huge advantage, but some Indian tribes became famed as superb horsemen. The real defeat of Indians was because the white man was simply much more advanced and he kept coming.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Diversity Heretic

    Matchlock muskets, actually. Flintlocks came along later. And Indians preferred those over bows. During the late 1600s and the 1700s, the Iroquois ethnically cleansed Ohio, but history books don’t make a big deal about THAT.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Redneck farmer

    The first time I found out about that was reading a history of Milwaukee.

    Wisconsin was sort of the Oklahoma of the North, except much earlier. Indians chases out of the lower Midwest or Canada sought shelter in The Good Land, where the massive Lake Michigan provided shelter from attack. The northern tribes migrated through the only white town in the area — a French and later American trading post called La Baie Vert. The southern tribes migrated through what is now Chicago.

    There were two white guys in LBV (now Green Bay) who had been given substantial land holdings along the Milwaukee River — Juneau and Kilborne — who made a mint working with real estate developers to sell off their land holdings. Juneau has the better land — between the river and Lake Michigan — and was much richer. Downtown Milwaukee is now located on Juneau’s old land.

    Meanwhile, Juneau’s brother went off to explore Alaska.

  53. @eah
    https://twitter.com/Heminator/status/1111085310983716866

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @AndrewR

    Being relocated to a small city near you!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Redneck farmer

    Didn't someone the other day say that Chicago was 'overpoliced and over incarcerated'?

  54. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    The liberal dream-mind, hurling insults and stock pictures at reality.

  55. @guest
    @Don't Look at Me

    I think that's a meme, though I'm unfamiliar with its origin.

    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Desiderius, @res

    When one of the guys who injured your knee runs you through with a sword later.

  56. @Sean
    @OFWHAP


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas#Late_archaeology

    The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which, based on her documented archaeological findings, presented an overview of her conclusions about Neolithic cultures across Europe: housing patterns, social structure, art, religion, and the nature of literacy.

    The Civilization of the Goddess articulated what Gimbutas saw as the differences between the Old European system, which she considered goddess- and woman-centered (gynocentric), and the Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal ("androcratic") culture which supplanted it. According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    The androcratic, or male-dominated, Kurgan peoples, on the other hand, invaded Europe and imposed upon its natives the hierarchical rule of male warriors.
     
    They burnt their own wives alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Suttee. The women had an extreme need to elicite care and provisioning. Hence progressively whiter skin from a swarthy start. Red hair genes, which also make the skin very pale, are commonest in the areas of the British Isles where people are tallest and have the largest heads (West Coast Ireland and Northern Scotland) Scotland has the most Yamnaya ancestry in Britain acording to Reich's data, but as the Copper age female Bell Beaker remains from the Highland's show, the early Bell Beakers were dark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Feryl, @Carol

    According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    Economic equality? Really?

    They had this big moonshot project “Stonehenge” going. Don’t tell me everybody took turns in afternoons working on it, kumbaya style.

  57. @Sean
    A Copper Age Bell Beaker woman found in the Highlands of Scotland


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/03/10/6937800-0-image-a-20_1543833264520.jpg

    By modern Europrean standards she was very swarthy. She had an enormous head. Head size and violence have greatly reduced since .

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking
    “When you select against aggression, you get some surprising traits that come along with it,” Wrangham says. “My suspicion is that the easiest way for natural selection to reduce aggressiveness is to favor those individuals whose brains develop relatively slowly in relation to their bodies.” When fully grown, such an animal does not display as much aggression because it has a more juvenile brain, which tends to be less aggressive than that of an adult. “This is a very easy target for natural selection,” Wrangham argues, because it probably does not depend on numerous mutations but rather on the tweaking of one or two regulatory genes that determine the timing of a whole cascade of developmental events.
     
    With extremely violent husbands there would be selection for lighter skin.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sam Coulton, @anonymous, @Jack D, @JMcG

    So we need pills that arrest brain development. Probably technically easy to do. That’s something that would cause the “little” blacks to look very different indeed.

  58. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America.

    I always wondered why the Yuan Khanate didn’t get it s act together and press expeditions along its northern coastline. That would have been fun: Columbus meeting a Mongol reception. “We have been here like, forever, and that’s our story! What do you want?”

    • Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski
    @El Dato

    There is Poul Anderson "Time Patrol" story - "The only game in town", where one of the characters, a time Patrol Agent considers possible alternate history:

    "The Mongols are quite a bit like the old Romans, really. Same practice of depopulating areas that resist, but respecting the rights of those who make submission. Same armed protection and competent government. Same unimaginative, uncreative national character; but the same vague awe and envy of true civilization. The Pax Mongolica, right now, unites a bigger area, and brings more different peoples into stimulating contact, than that piddling Roman Empire ever imagined.
    "As for the Indians—remember, the Mongols are herdsmen. There won't be anything like the unsolvable conflict between hunter and farmer that made the white man destroy the Indian. The Mongol hasn't got race prejudices, either. And after a little fighting, the average Navajo, Chero­kee, Seminole, Algonquin, Chippewa, Dakota, will be glad to submit and become allied. Why not? He'll get horses, sheep, cattle, textiles, metallurgy.
    He'll outnumber the invaders, and be on much more nearly equal terms with them than with white farmers and machine-age industry. And there'll be the Chinese, I repeat, leavening the whole mixture, teaching civilization and sharpening wits. . . .
    "Good God, Manse! When Columbus gets here, he'll find his Grand Chan all right! The Sachem Khan of the strongest nation on earth!"

    , @Desiderius
    @El Dato

    Same reason we haven’t been back to the moon.

    , @Jack D
    @El Dato


    “We have been here like, forever, and that’s our story!
     
    This is indeed the creation myth of many Indian tribes and they get really pissed when the white scientists tell them that they came across from Asia and worked their way south.
  59. Darn Iranians! And to think Obama thought he could deal with them

  60. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    https://youtu.be/cwq6k4WiwHo?t=116


    Serbs: Extremely tall with flat back heads. Hmmm.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

    A lot of flat back heads tend to be due to “cradle-boarding” – mom binding her baby to a board backpack. This was realized between the wars and it was kind of embarrassing for physical anthropologists, who had assumed that flat head backs were genetic, but turned out to be cultural.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    Some contemporary heads from Anatolia - or thereabouts - (due to massive Blair era immigration, London is little more than a human zoo) - are 'flat backed' and 'short' to an almost alarming degree. Indeed some unfortunate swarthy chaps to be seen on the streets of London have 'pyramidoal' shaped heads due to the rather unaesthetic combination of a sloping forehead, a flat back and a 'short' head.

    , @Sean
    @Steve Sailer

    While I do not doubt that Chinese women once had their feet bound, the Chinese, especially women, do have distinctively small feet (and hands) anyway. The Highland Bell Beaker girl had a flat backed head; yes, but the top of her head was also very flat. The whole skull is extremely broad.

  61. @Whiskey
    @Craig Nelsen

    Wow, a howling mob of local White women figuring that if White men are not completely successful, they deserve to DIE DIE DIE!

    Wow, where have I EVER heard that one before?

    White women are the most Darwinian of creatures, they can't help it. Its hardwired. Expecting compassion and solidarity out of them for White men in distress is like expecting a cat to do calculus. It simply cannot be done.

    Indeed the worse White men are, the more White women figure they had it coming, and move on to other men. Again this is hard-wired into White women, its why immavasion has "Refugees Welcome!" stuff, and White Knighters of all types supplicating. And of COURSE the $PLC wants all White men dead. Its who they are. They figure they're not really White. [A dumb move, but one repeated over and over again in History.]

    Re the Conquest of Mexico and Peru and North and South America. Europeans were at first, thin in number. But they had all sorts of advantages against the natives.

    First, the Aztecs, Incans, and North and South American civilizations (the Tarrascans, Mixtec, Mayans, Hopi, Mound Builders, etc) had no sense of constant, organized warfare and strategy, tactics, maneuvers, shock battle, etc. They would either wage warrior type raids, like typical nomads, or among the civilized tribes stage a conflict among themselves that was settled by the battle, for the most part. [Wars among the Maya being the main exception and most like the Greek City states.]

    They had the wheel -- and used it only for children's toys. They had no concept like Europeans did going back to the Greeks and perfected by the Romans of logistics, supply, professional soldiers, of combat engineering, siege engines, siege warfare, metal working, gunpowder, sail, map making, and trans-oceanic travel. Had Cortez been defeated there would have been an Army of adventurers, soldiers, engineers, and more all waiting to stage another expedition. With ships from Europe and Jamaica to supply them, and nearly 2,000 years of experience WRITTEN DOWN on how to fight wars of extermination. Europe's soldiers had the lessons of Cannae, of Lake Tresimene, of Trebia, of the Grannicus River, of Tyre, of Platea, and Salamis. The Aztecs had a bunch of myths and had no conception of what the Conquistadors were capable of, how they fought, and what they could do in shock battle with metal blades.

    Nor were the Indians the only ones beset by disease. The Europeans were not immune and New World diseases particularly Yellow Fever hit them hard as well. I would say the particular European talent is for organization in high trust environments to produce mass slaughter of their enemies found few able to stand against them. Indeed the only enemy White men never conquered were their own women.

    Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird, @Fluesterwitz, @Diversity Heretic

    Yellow Fever is an African Disease brought over by Mosquito larva in the water casks of slave ships. The myth that Africans were immune was because most slaves had survived Yellow fever as children and were immune. That was the true Reparations for Slavery.

  62. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    So the Great Injun Die-off wasn’t a deliberate act of genocide committed by Evil Whitey after all? It was actually because of plague? You mean to tell me that I’ve been going around all these years wrongly hating my race for annihilating the Indians, when it was really an Act of God that laid them low? You don’t say!

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Digital Samizdat


    So the Great Injun Die-off wasn’t a deliberate act of genocide committed by Evil Whitey after all? It was actually because of plague?
     
    It;s just amazing to think that this same Carl Zimmer both wrote a book called Plague Time (which I read!) and Tweeted his hope that the Ebola virus would exact revenge on white Americans for their killing of Amerindians.
    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Digital Samizdat

    That is why the Eastern tribes have very few full-blooded members anymore. The mixed race Indians had at least some resistance to European disease.

    I used to know a woman from an Atlantic coastal tribe that had first contact in the 1600s. Her tribe had exactly zero full blooded Indians remaining.

    Nor were the Americas the only place this happened. The first census of the Kingdom of Hawaii Nei listed 400,000 people, almost all full blooded Hawaiians.

    Less than a century later, the last census listed 40,000 people, the vast majority of whom were Asian, haole or mixed. It didn’t take too long before the full blooded Hawaiians were less than 1% of the population.

    There are only a few very isolated parts of Hawaii with a significant percentage of full blooded Hawaiians. The Island of Niihau, remote parts of eastern Maui near Hana, etc. These are areas with a few hundred full blooded Hawaiians,

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. There was a band I really loved to see called the Makaha Sons of Niihau. The leaders of the band were two full blooded native brothers, Skippy and Izzy. Both were at least 6 1/2 ‘ tall, maybe taller. Skippy was about 700 pounds, and died a short time later in his twenties of congestive heart failure. Izzy was only about 400-500 pounds. He later ballooned above 500 pounds and died in his mid 30s of congestive heart failure.

    Replies: @res

  63. @Sean
    A Copper Age Bell Beaker woman found in the Highlands of Scotland


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/03/10/6937800-0-image-a-20_1543833264520.jpg

    By modern Europrean standards she was very swarthy. She had an enormous head. Head size and violence have greatly reduced since .

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking
    “When you select against aggression, you get some surprising traits that come along with it,” Wrangham says. “My suspicion is that the easiest way for natural selection to reduce aggressiveness is to favor those individuals whose brains develop relatively slowly in relation to their bodies.” When fully grown, such an animal does not display as much aggression because it has a more juvenile brain, which tends to be less aggressive than that of an adult. “This is a very easy target for natural selection,” Wrangham argues, because it probably does not depend on numerous mutations but rather on the tweaking of one or two regulatory genes that determine the timing of a whole cascade of developmental events.
     
    With extremely violent husbands there would be selection for lighter skin.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sam Coulton, @anonymous, @Jack D, @JMcG

    That reconstruction isn’t based on any pigmentation SNP data and the Bell Beakers were already light before all this.. The level of violence in a society doesn’t affect skin pigmentation; the two are totally unrelated.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Sam Coulton

    https://twitter.com/BritishPodcast/status/1069624553372938240



    Ava descended via both parents from immigrants into Britain, possibly from what is now the Netherlands, but probably grew up within the Caithness region. Her ancestors likely arrived a few generations earlier; this is supported not only by the DNA analysis but with the style of the Beaker found in her cist (Hoole 2018, 107).
     
    <
  64. @songbird
    @obwandiyag

    Were they blond? I don't know. Supposedly, ANE had the gene, and, of course, Yamnaya had a big ANE component, but so do Native Americans. And it is polygenic anyway. In the papers, they were described as having brown hair, brown eyes, and a light brown skin.

    Replies: @Sam Coulton, @Feryl

    You are talking about the Eastern Yamnaya from Ukraine. These people this paper talks about were the Bell Beakers from Germany. The paper erroneously refers to them as “Yamnaya”.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Sam Coulton

    My name's Bell. Bell Beaker. I come from the east. I don't want your women and your land, but I've got something you might like. I call it "Whiskey".

  65. @Anon
    Turn internet addicted , low fertility, high trust western boys into the softest generation that ever existed . Then introduce to the west the hardest, most violent , most clannish ,lowest IQ men from around the globe. We are all bell beakers now.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @guest, @El Dato, @anon, @George

    Instead of a clip of beaker from “The Muppet Show”, let’s go interstellar (from Charles Stross, “Missile Gap”) because why not!

    Sagan leans forward. “That’s all very well,” he says agreeably, “but I’m a bit puzzled by the policy process itself. We haven’t yet made contact with any nonhuman sapients. I thought your committee was supposed to be assessing our policy options for when contact finally occurs. It sounds to me as if you’re telling me that we already have a policy, and you’re looking to find out if it’s actually a viable one. Is that right?”

    They order, and Gregor waits for the waiter to depart before he continues. “Suppose there’s an alien race out there. More than one. You know about the multiple copies of Earth. The uninhabited ones. We’ve been here before. Now let’s see … suppose the aliens aren’t like us. Some of them are recognizable, tribal primates who use tools made out of metal, sea-dwelling ensemble entities who communicate by ultrasound. But others–most of them–are social insects who use amazingly advanced biological engineering to grow what they need. There’s some evidence that they’ve colonized some of the empty Earths. They’re aggressive and territorial and they’re so different that … well, for one thing we think they don’t actually have conscious minds except when they need them. They control their own genetic code and build living organisms tailored to whatever tasks they want carrying out. There’s no evidence that they want to talk to us, and some evidence that they may have emptied some of those empty Earths of their human population. And because of their, um, decentralized ecosystem and biological engineering, conventional policy solutions won’t work. The military ones, I mean.”

    Gregor watches Sagan’s face intently as he describes the scenario. There is a slight cooling of the exobiologist’s cheeks as his peripheral arteries contract with shock: his pupils dilate and his respiration rate increases. Sour pheromones begin to diffuse from his sweat ducts and organs in Gregor’s nasal sinuses respond to them.

    “You’re kidding?” Sagan half-asks. He sounds disappointed about something.

    “I wish I was.” Gregor generates a faint smile and exhales breath laden with oxytocin and other peptide messengers fine-tuned to human metabolism. In the kitchen, the temporary chef who is standing in for the regular one–off sick, due to a bout of food poisoning–will be preparing Sagan’s dish. Humans are creatures of habit: once his meal arrives the astronomer will eat it, taking solace in good food. (Such a shame about the chef.) “They’re not like us. SETI assumes that NHIs are conscious and welcome communication with humans and, in fact, that humans aren’t atypical. But let’s suppose that humans are atypical. The human species has only been around for about a third of a million years, and has only been making metal tools and building settlements for ten thousand. What if the default for sapient species is measured in the millions of years? And they develop strong defense mechanisms to prevent other species moving into their territory?”

  66. @El Dato
    @obwandiyag


    Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America.
     
    I always wondered why the Yuan Khanate didn't get it s act together and press expeditions along its northern coastline. That would have been fun: Columbus meeting a Mongol reception. "We have been here like, forever, and that's our story! What do you want?"

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Desiderius, @Jack D

    There is Poul Anderson “Time Patrol” story – “The only game in town”, where one of the characters, a time Patrol Agent considers possible alternate history:

    “The Mongols are quite a bit like the old Romans, really. Same practice of depopulating areas that resist, but respecting the rights of those who make submission. Same armed protection and competent government. Same unimaginative, uncreative national character; but the same vague awe and envy of true civilization. The Pax Mongolica, right now, unites a bigger area, and brings more different peoples into stimulating contact, than that piddling Roman Empire ever imagined.
    “As for the Indians—remember, the Mongols are herdsmen. There won’t be anything like the unsolvable conflict between hunter and farmer that made the white man destroy the Indian. The Mongol hasn’t got race prejudices, either. And after a little fighting, the average Navajo, Chero­kee, Seminole, Algonquin, Chippewa, Dakota, will be glad to submit and become allied. Why not? He’ll get horses, sheep, cattle, textiles, metallurgy.
    He’ll outnumber the invaders, and be on much more nearly equal terms with them than with white farmers and machine-age industry. And there’ll be the Chinese, I repeat, leavening the whole mixture, teaching civilization and sharpening wits. . . .
    “Good God, Manse! When Columbus gets here, he’ll find his Grand Chan all right! The Sachem Khan of the strongest nation on earth!”

  67. @guest
    @obwandiyag

    The same Europe who colonized the globe would break against the might of scattered hunter-gatherer groups? Do you honestly believe this?

    The experiment was run many times, guy. Europe almost always won.

    Also, since when did forming alliances to win somehow mean you didn't actually win?

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    Exactly. Forming alliances works great for AIPAC having really won America. For example, the world’s top cop, Trump, says Golan Heights belongs to Tel Aviv. America first, eh, Donster? Way to sell blunderbusses to Injuns.

  68. @Redneck farmer
    @eah

    Being relocated to a small city near you!

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Didn’t someone the other day say that Chicago was ‘overpoliced and over incarcerated’?

  69. Hats off to whoever it was that called this one here a few weeks ago. Nutritionally rich diet, tall, muscular… meta-dog whistles for privilege. If they can link these cats to blond hair it’s over, whitey will no longer have any legitimate claim even to Europe.

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    @Gabe Ruth

    "If they can link these cats to blond hair it’s over, whitey will no longer have any legitimate claim even to Europe."

    According to Wikipedia, the Yamnaya had dark hair and brown eyes. Skin was a little dark. They would tan easily as opposed to burning. We probably wouldn't call them white by today's standards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture
    "The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA studies conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014) and Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly brown-eyed, dark-haired and had a skin color that was moderately light, though significantly darker than that of the average modern European. Their skin tone had a high propensity to tan and sunburn was minimal. [26][4] Despite their pastoral lifestyle, there was little evidence of lactase persistence.[27] [28]"

  70. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    A lot of flat back heads tend to be due to "cradle-boarding" - mom binding her baby to a board backpack. This was realized between the wars and it was kind of embarrassing for physical anthropologists, who had assumed that flat head backs were genetic, but turned out to be cultural.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean

    Some contemporary heads from Anatolia – or thereabouts – (due to massive Blair era immigration, London is little more than a human zoo) – are ‘flat backed’ and ‘short’ to an almost alarming degree. Indeed some unfortunate swarthy chaps to be seen on the streets of London have ‘pyramidoal’ shaped heads due to the rather unaesthetic combination of a sloping forehead, a flat back and a ‘short’ head.

  71. Forty per cent of all males had a Y chromosome linked to Yumnaya, indicating after the cultures met, only Yumnaya men were procreating.

    I am not attentive reader on these topics, but- what about 60%? It seems these findings confirm that others, too, had procreated.

    Or I’m missing something…..

    • Replies: @gcochran
    @Bardon Kaldian

    40% of autosomal ancestry ended up Yamnya, ~100% of Y chromosomes,

  72. @CTD
    Rich, extroverted, nasty, brutish, and tall?

    Replies: @tyrone, @forgottenpseudonym

    All these chaps needed was a mid-night basket ball program ……but nooooo…now see what you got!??

  73. @Sean
    @Anonymous

    https://youtu.be/cwq6k4WiwHo?t=116


    Serbs: Extremely tall with flat back heads. Hmmm.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Bardon Kaldian

    Listen…. I went to school with many Serbs.

    1. they are not very tall. Some are, most are not, just like us, Croats

    2. they don’t have “flat back heads”, this is absurd

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Bardon Kaldian

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jCEM-OirLBE/hqdefault.jpg



    Flat backed head of Ratko Mladic, who is reassuring Muslims, just before the massacre.



    World Cup Serbian team: average height - 185.6 cm. Tallest in competition,

    Replies: @El Dato, @HA

  74. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    I don’t mean to humiliate you, obwandiyag, but it has to be said.
    If it was disease alone that granted victory to the Aryans/Yamnaya, how come only the local men were wiped out? Women were immune, maybe? Stop the moralizing ethnic activism and learn to think.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Bartolo

    You humiliate yourself if, like the other imbeciles on here who can't count to 3, if you can't see why or how invaders could kill all the surviving men of tribes decimated by disease. What a cretin moron.

  75. @Wilkey
    It's only acceptable for them to frame the story this way because the Yamnaya are the ancestors of...well, you know who: white people. It's OK to demonize our ancestors.

    And I have questions about this statement: "Genetic analysis found that this movement of the Yamnaya descendants happened around 4,400 years ago and coincides with when the Britons of the time, who built Stonehenge, completely disappeared. There is no remnants of their DNA in the genome of modern people, but more significantly, there is no proof of the original Brits even a handful or generations later."

    Cheddar Man, found in Britain, dates to about 9,000 years ago, and at least one study showed that about 10% of modern, non-immigrant Britons trace ancestry to the same group of people as Cheddar Man. Interestingly there were several other skeletons found in the same cave that predate Cheddar Man by 5,000 years, and are basically unrelated to modern Britons. So the notion that all previous people were wiped out seems a bit exaggerated.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Travis

    “Cheddar Man, found in Britain, dates to about 9,000 years ago, and at least one study showed that about 10% of modern, non-immigrant Britons trace ancestry to the same group of people as Cheddar Man. Interestingly there were several other skeletons found in the same cave that predate Cheddar Man by 5,000 years, and are basically unrelated to modern Britons.”

    This can get kind of complicated.

    Look we have been in an ice age for… dunno 20,000+ years now (we are still in one actually).

    Anyway, for a good bit of that, the UK isles were part of “Doggerland” basically. Doggerland refers to the areas currently underwater, around the UK and other western European countries. If you do a data search or just go to the wiki you will find maps and whatnot.

    So basically you could just walk to the UK about 12,000 years ago or so.

    And another thing: there have been several waves of glaciation over this time. Not going to research this to put up links and exact data, but several times over the past 20,000 years the UK has essentially been covered by glaciers or all but some of the southern regions were covered by glaciers.

    So in regards to skeletons even older than Cheddar Man, they probably settled (by walking uphill) the UK during periods when the glaciers receded. And when the glaciers came back, they probably just walked downhill to Doggerland where it was warmer and much nicer actually.

    Until the seas rose and Doggerland was inundated.

    Hmmm, from the wiki page:

    “Doggerland was an area of land, now submerged beneath the southern North Sea, that connected Great Britain to continental Europe. It was flooded by rising sea levels around 6,500–6,200 BC. Geological surveys have suggested that it stretched from Britain’s east coast to the Netherlands and the western coasts of Germany and the peninsula of Jutland.[1] It was probably a rich habitat with human habitation in the Mesolithic period,[2] although rising sea levels gradually reduced it to low-lying islands before its final submergence, possibly following a tsunami caused by the Storegga Slide.[3]”

    The UK glaciers receded for good around 8000 BC? Whether “the movements of the peoples” were occuring during this time I do not know, but this… walkability is something you have to consider when talking about this time period.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Sunbeam

    'Doggerland' - great name that.

    Doubtless named after the 'Dogger Bank' a shallow area of the North Sea off the east coast of England, famed as a fishing ground, and where trawlers regularly pull up elephants' teeth, mammoth tusks, rhinoceros jawbones etc with their catch.

    'Dogger Bank' - a great tough, mellifluous seafaring word to go with Rockall, Cromarty, Fastnet etc to regular listeners of the BBC Radio 4 'shipping forecast', as read, of course, in 'BBC English'.

  76. @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    A lot of flat back heads tend to be due to "cradle-boarding" - mom binding her baby to a board backpack. This was realized between the wars and it was kind of embarrassing for physical anthropologists, who had assumed that flat head backs were genetic, but turned out to be cultural.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Sean

    While I do not doubt that Chinese women once had their feet bound, the Chinese, especially women, do have distinctively small feet (and hands) anyway. The Highland Bell Beaker girl had a flat backed head; yes, but the top of her head was also very flat. The whole skull is extremely broad.

  77. @Don't Look at Me
    @Foreign Expert

    Could these guys really have gone everywhere? Little towns and villages all over the place. I could see them going to the population concentrations along the highly traveled routes, but there had to have been a lot of places they just never got to, or by the time they did they had settled down and were comfortable.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Their women were probably lured from all the small villages to the population centers by promises of equal pay for equal work and exposure to the wonders of diversity.

  78. @El Dato
    @obwandiyag


    Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America.
     
    I always wondered why the Yuan Khanate didn't get it s act together and press expeditions along its northern coastline. That would have been fun: Columbus meeting a Mongol reception. "We have been here like, forever, and that's our story! What do you want?"

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Desiderius, @Jack D

    Same reason we haven’t been back to the moon.

  79. @guest
    @Don't Look at Me

    I think that's a meme, though I'm unfamiliar with its origin.

    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Desiderius, @res

    It is. Elder Scrolls series (Morrowind, Skyrim, etc…).

  80. Yet even the Mail cannot avoid PC: we Aryans are “The Most Violent Group of People Who Ever Lived”.

    The reality is that, in prehistoric warfare, Aryan violence was no better or worse than that of other groups.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @James N. Kennett


    The reality is that, in prehistoric warfare, Aryan violence was no better or worse than that of other groups.
     
    Well, clearly better.
  81. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    The most blue-eyed and blonde haired culture of the age was Globular Amphora.

  82. @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    Gimbutas is a really interesting figure.

    Replies: @backup

    She also was massively wrong in her description of “Old Europe”. First of all, she describes a first wave of IE noticeable in several cultures by the first signs of diversification of status and by signs of warrior cult. However, ancient DNA showed these cultures to be unadmixted farmers: Remedello, Varna, the Iberian early Bell Beakers. The latter has a burial of a prince, buried with his 20 young wives.

    https://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-prince-and-his-twenty-wives-garcia.html

    But the earliest farmers also had signs of violence. Also, they weren’t the soy boys to let their women be taken without retaliation: All members of a Corded Ware (That is an IE culture) family in Eulau met a violent death.

  83. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Roderick Spode

    within a few generations there was no remains
     
    God damn it, Daily Mail. My eyes!

    Replies: @anonymous

    The movie “Idiocracy” seems more prescient every day.

  84. anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean
    A Copper Age Bell Beaker woman found in the Highlands of Scotland


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/03/10/6937800-0-image-a-20_1543833264520.jpg

    By modern Europrean standards she was very swarthy. She had an enormous head. Head size and violence have greatly reduced since .

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking
    “When you select against aggression, you get some surprising traits that come along with it,” Wrangham says. “My suspicion is that the easiest way for natural selection to reduce aggressiveness is to favor those individuals whose brains develop relatively slowly in relation to their bodies.” When fully grown, such an animal does not display as much aggression because it has a more juvenile brain, which tends to be less aggressive than that of an adult. “This is a very easy target for natural selection,” Wrangham argues, because it probably does not depend on numerous mutations but rather on the tweaking of one or two regulatory genes that determine the timing of a whole cascade of developmental events.
     
    With extremely violent husbands there would be selection for lighter skin.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sam Coulton, @anonymous, @Jack D, @JMcG

    My God…it’s Monica.

  85. @Whiskey
    @Craig Nelsen

    Wow, a howling mob of local White women figuring that if White men are not completely successful, they deserve to DIE DIE DIE!

    Wow, where have I EVER heard that one before?

    White women are the most Darwinian of creatures, they can't help it. Its hardwired. Expecting compassion and solidarity out of them for White men in distress is like expecting a cat to do calculus. It simply cannot be done.

    Indeed the worse White men are, the more White women figure they had it coming, and move on to other men. Again this is hard-wired into White women, its why immavasion has "Refugees Welcome!" stuff, and White Knighters of all types supplicating. And of COURSE the $PLC wants all White men dead. Its who they are. They figure they're not really White. [A dumb move, but one repeated over and over again in History.]

    Re the Conquest of Mexico and Peru and North and South America. Europeans were at first, thin in number. But they had all sorts of advantages against the natives.

    First, the Aztecs, Incans, and North and South American civilizations (the Tarrascans, Mixtec, Mayans, Hopi, Mound Builders, etc) had no sense of constant, organized warfare and strategy, tactics, maneuvers, shock battle, etc. They would either wage warrior type raids, like typical nomads, or among the civilized tribes stage a conflict among themselves that was settled by the battle, for the most part. [Wars among the Maya being the main exception and most like the Greek City states.]

    They had the wheel -- and used it only for children's toys. They had no concept like Europeans did going back to the Greeks and perfected by the Romans of logistics, supply, professional soldiers, of combat engineering, siege engines, siege warfare, metal working, gunpowder, sail, map making, and trans-oceanic travel. Had Cortez been defeated there would have been an Army of adventurers, soldiers, engineers, and more all waiting to stage another expedition. With ships from Europe and Jamaica to supply them, and nearly 2,000 years of experience WRITTEN DOWN on how to fight wars of extermination. Europe's soldiers had the lessons of Cannae, of Lake Tresimene, of Trebia, of the Grannicus River, of Tyre, of Platea, and Salamis. The Aztecs had a bunch of myths and had no conception of what the Conquistadors were capable of, how they fought, and what they could do in shock battle with metal blades.

    Nor were the Indians the only ones beset by disease. The Europeans were not immune and New World diseases particularly Yellow Fever hit them hard as well. I would say the particular European talent is for organization in high trust environments to produce mass slaughter of their enemies found few able to stand against them. Indeed the only enemy White men never conquered were their own women.

    Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird, @Fluesterwitz, @Diversity Heretic

    “They had the wheel — and used it only for children’s toys.”

    Due to lack of tin they had no bronze, which is kind of important to have for wheel-bearings and such things. Then again, the Romans didn’t build their marching roads for carts either.

  86. “Forty per cent of all males had a Y chromosome linked to Yumnaya” … “no male Neolithic lines survived”.

    Well, which is it? 40% or 100%?

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    @Andrew M

    The 40% was of those who had stone age farmer mitochondrial DNA (i.e., were descended in the female line from the people the Yamnaya conquered). There was no Y DNA of the farmers among that group.

  87. @obwandiyag
    Plague, by the way, is the signal reason for the AngloSaxonJute conquest of Britannia. They don't teach you that in 7th grade either.

    Replies: @guest, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    These must have been strange diseases that killed only men but left the female line intact.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Jack D

    Wasn’t it Sontag who said that the Yamanaya were the cancer of the world?

    , @obwandiyag
    @Jack D

    You are a complete idiot. You can't understand how invaders could kill the remaining men of tribes decimated by disease. To complicated for your little brain. Easy delivery style.

    Replies: @res

  88. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon
    Turn internet addicted , low fertility, high trust western boys into the softest generation that ever existed . Then introduce to the west the hardest, most violent , most clannish ,lowest IQ men from around the globe. We are all bell beakers now.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @guest, @El Dato, @anon, @George

    Maybe it will play out that way. But these cuksfags are actually the yamanaya and while we may have been culturally favoring less violence for a couple centuries while also killing off a lot of good fighters in intercine wars within the past generation or two we have shown ourselves to be still the fiercest men who ever lived and smart too a little jew media doesnt change that in 50 years.
    So what we see may actually be an intelligent response to the knowledge of how destructive a war will be and a calculated strategy of moving away from the attackers and placating them with trinkets and because fiat debt and ownership of several continents a belief we can afford to avoid war. But that now we are actually running out of trinkets and land we are coming to realize we must solve this problem. I mean just think for a moment if all white men suddenly got angry at all the sit they really ought to be livid about but have been thinking was no biggie what they could do in one day of berserking, whos going to stop us women? fags? little hispanics and stupid blacks muslims? nah we could wipe them all out in a few days without even using our military if we had the mind to. Minds can change suddenly this is why the left is desperate to get our guns and free speech they know they have pushed us to the point we traditionally get fed up with their shenanigans put them in ovens

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @anon

    Not sure why you underestimate blacks so much. There's a lot of well-armed black men out there with no qualms about killing whomever they need to, or want to. Blacks are not a trivial entity to be handwaved away.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Old Palo Altan, @El Dato

  89. @Sean
    A Copper Age Bell Beaker woman found in the Highlands of Scotland


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/03/10/6937800-0-image-a-20_1543833264520.jpg

    By modern Europrean standards she was very swarthy. She had an enormous head. Head size and violence have greatly reduced since .

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking
    “When you select against aggression, you get some surprising traits that come along with it,” Wrangham says. “My suspicion is that the easiest way for natural selection to reduce aggressiveness is to favor those individuals whose brains develop relatively slowly in relation to their bodies.” When fully grown, such an animal does not display as much aggression because it has a more juvenile brain, which tends to be less aggressive than that of an adult. “This is a very easy target for natural selection,” Wrangham argues, because it probably does not depend on numerous mutations but rather on the tweaking of one or two regulatory genes that determine the timing of a whole cascade of developmental events.
     
    With extremely violent husbands there would be selection for lighter skin.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sam Coulton, @anonymous, @Jack D, @JMcG

    This is the way it works in dogs – dogs are wolves that never grow up and become aggressive like mature wolves but remain fixated at the wolf puppy stage. It’s very hard to introduce new traits and behaviors into an animal that doesn’t already have them – this can take hundreds of thousands of years. But emphasizing a trait that is already present is very easy and can be bred in just a few generations of selective breeding.

    It looks to me like they are making a lot of blind guesses. They probably have no evidence for her hair color and texture, nor skin color. The jaw seems to be mostly imaginary too. Also when you dig up one individual you don’t know if you have dug up an outlier. Maybe this woman had an unusually large head that was bigger than 90% of her friends. They would all laugh at us if we chose her to be the representative of her race.

    It’s hard to believe that human heads used to be much bigger because the heads that we have now barely fit thru women’s hips. Humans have an design constraint in that we need really big brains to do our hairless ape who lives off his wits shtick but if you make the hips too wide it becomes hard to walk upright and too narrow and the babies get stuck at too high a rate to allow the species to survive. Also if ancient humans had these really big brains why weren’t they building Wakanda?

  90. @Sean
    @OFWHAP


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas#Late_archaeology

    The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which, based on her documented archaeological findings, presented an overview of her conclusions about Neolithic cultures across Europe: housing patterns, social structure, art, religion, and the nature of literacy.

    The Civilization of the Goddess articulated what Gimbutas saw as the differences between the Old European system, which she considered goddess- and woman-centered (gynocentric), and the Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal ("androcratic") culture which supplanted it. According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    The androcratic, or male-dominated, Kurgan peoples, on the other hand, invaded Europe and imposed upon its natives the hierarchical rule of male warriors.
     
    They burnt their own wives alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Suttee. The women had an extreme need to elicite care and provisioning. Hence progressively whiter skin from a swarthy start. Red hair genes, which also make the skin very pale, are commonest in the areas of the British Isles where people are tallest and have the largest heads (West Coast Ireland and Northern Scotland) Scotland has the most Yamnaya ancestry in Britain acording to Reich's data, but as the Copper age female Bell Beaker remains from the Highland's show, the early Bell Beakers were dark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Feryl, @Carol

    According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    This sounds like pure wishful thinking and projection to me. The past is a tabula rasa onto which Gimbutas has projected her fantasies. This has nothing to do with science. I would love to have a time machine whereby we could send Gimbutas back to her prelapsarian paradise and there she would be raped, cruelly tortured and murdered within 24 hours of arriving on the orders of Tribal Leader Ancestral Tina Tchen.

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jack D

    Yeah but the free bleeding would have been worth it.

    , @Steve Sailer
    @Jack D

    Perhaps, but Gimbutas did get right the big question of where the Indo-Europeans came from.

  91. @Jack D
    @obwandiyag

    These must have been strange diseases that killed only men but left the female line intact.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @obwandiyag

    Wasn’t it Sontag who said that the Yamanaya were the cancer of the world?

  92. @El Dato
    @obwandiyag


    Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America.
     
    I always wondered why the Yuan Khanate didn't get it s act together and press expeditions along its northern coastline. That would have been fun: Columbus meeting a Mongol reception. "We have been here like, forever, and that's our story! What do you want?"

    Replies: @Bies Podkrakowski, @Desiderius, @Jack D

    “We have been here like, forever, and that’s our story!

    This is indeed the creation myth of many Indian tribes and they get really pissed when the white scientists tell them that they came across from Asia and worked their way south.

  93. @Edward
    The Daily Mail comments are priceless. Despite their Yamnaya ancestry (around 50%, is it?), they are calling the Yamnaya people “immigrants” and saying that “history repeats itself”. Perhaps they now accept the left’s claim that Britain is a nation of immigrants.

    Immigration restrictionists are rather amusing at times.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Bies Podkrakowski

    What’s funny is the Brits sing that song about how they will never be slaves, when their entire history is them being slaves — the Yamnaya, the Romans, Saxons, Normans and now Pakistanis. All have conquered Britain. Perhaps it’s time for a new song?

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    @Bragadocious

    Are you familiar with the state of today's Royal Navy compared to when "Rule Brittania"?

  94. @guest
    @Don't Look at Me

    I think that's a meme, though I'm unfamiliar with its origin.

    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Desiderius, @res

    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?

    Not sure if you are actually looking for a response, but a damaged femoral artery could be much quicker than that.
    https://www.quora.com/How-fast-will-you-bleed-out-if-you-cut-the-main-artery-in-your-leg

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @res

    In CS Lewis’ Till We Have Faces the narrator, Queen Orual, kills a man in a duel by cutting his femoral artery.

  95. @Roderick Spode
    @Anon

    Stay tuned for part 2 of this story, though. It may surprise you.

    Replies: @Anon

    Could you elaborate ?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Seems pretty obvious what he means. We're not like our grandfathers but our grandson's might be.

    Replies: @Anon

  96. @songbird
    Most violent people who ever lived? I don't know - that might be Chechens (if you balance a few factors.) But oddly enough, I think they probably have a big Yamnaya component. At least, they are big on ANE, which I assume is sort of a proxy.

    BTW, what is the deal with "Yumnaya?" A rebranding attempt to make them seem friendlier? I like it. I may trademark it and try to turn it into an organic ($$$) ice cream. The carton will be in the style of a Corded Ware pot, with horses, wagons and battle-axes on it, and maybe a Kurgan mound. Maybe, if it is a success, there could be other dairy products too, like yogurt and cheese, since they were pastoralists.

    Replies: @stillCARealist

    What about the Mongols? did they get dethroned in the Most Violent category? I think the Chinese might have something to say about this.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @stillCARealist

    Everyone were pretty much pikers compared to the Mongols - at least for scale. But I'm thinking probably anyone who engaged in ritual torture and cannibalism, like the Huron or Iroquois, should get special points.

    Though I guess it is probably easiest to go after dead Europeans.

  97. @Anon
    Turn internet addicted , low fertility, high trust western boys into the softest generation that ever existed . Then introduce to the west the hardest, most violent , most clannish ,lowest IQ men from around the globe. We are all bell beakers now.

    Replies: @Roderick Spode, @guest, @El Dato, @anon, @George

    Too bad there is no common religion to intermediate between the invaders and those invaded. Maybe if there were mass conversions to …

  98. Robert Howard, as usual, is closer to the truth than the academic archaeologists:

    The ancient empires fall, the dark-skinned peoples fade and even the demons of antiquity gasp their last, but over all stands the Aryan barbarian, white-skinned, cold-eyed, dominant, the supreme fighting man of the earth

  99. @Sean
    A Copper Age Bell Beaker woman found in the Highlands of Scotland


    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/03/10/6937800-0-image-a-20_1543833264520.jpg

    By modern Europrean standards she was very swarthy. She had an enormous head. Head size and violence have greatly reduced since .

    http://discovermagazine.com/2010/sep/25-modern-humans-smart-why-brain-shrinking
    “When you select against aggression, you get some surprising traits that come along with it,” Wrangham says. “My suspicion is that the easiest way for natural selection to reduce aggressiveness is to favor those individuals whose brains develop relatively slowly in relation to their bodies.” When fully grown, such an animal does not display as much aggression because it has a more juvenile brain, which tends to be less aggressive than that of an adult. “This is a very easy target for natural selection,” Wrangham argues, because it probably does not depend on numerous mutations but rather on the tweaking of one or two regulatory genes that determine the timing of a whole cascade of developmental events.
     
    With extremely violent husbands there would be selection for lighter skin.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Sam Coulton, @anonymous, @Jack D, @JMcG

    Looks like Catherine Zeta-Jones a bit.

  100. @songbird
    @obwandiyag

    Were they blond? I don't know. Supposedly, ANE had the gene, and, of course, Yamnaya had a big ANE component, but so do Native Americans. And it is polygenic anyway. In the papers, they were described as having brown hair, brown eyes, and a light brown skin.

    Replies: @Sam Coulton, @Feryl

    Blonde hair is associated with social reserve, so in all likelihood blond hair only emerged in Northern Europe after centuries of stable, homogeneous communities. What’s more is that blondeness peaks in the Baltic region, which is not exactly know for blazing any trails. “Catholic” Europeans (e.g. Celts and Meds) are less blonde than North-Central Euros and have a better reputation for creativity. We see this in American folk-ways, where the Nordic Upper Midwest is consistently terrible at producing notable gentile white artists (esp. in pop music), while the Scots-Irish whites (Elvis, Jim Morrison, James Hetfield, etc.) of the South and West find fame easily.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    @Feryl


    Blonde hair is associated with social reserve, so in all likelihood blond hair only emerged in Northern Europe after centuries of stable, homogeneous communities. What’s more is that blondeness peaks in the Baltic region, which is not exactly know for blazing any trails. “Catholic” Europeans (e.g. Celts and Meds) are less blonde than North-Central Euros and have a better reputation for creativity.
     
    Except that blond hair didn't originate in Europe but in Eastern Siberia (Afontova Gora) among the ANE, who were anything but homogenous.

    Your opinion is worth about as much as your bowel movements.

    Replies: @Anon

    , @syonredux
    @Feryl

    Elvis dyed his hair black:


    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yUwrBdrNGFg/WYgSsjxzvtI/AAAAAAACxVY/nmFuYLau8MkKYrMsHvKPDYHSLdM9HiurQCLcBGAs/s1600/elvis-presley-as-child-6.jpg

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1956.jpg

    http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/followthatdream2.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S. Anonyia

  101. Minnesota whites are so introverted that Jews have consistently represented Minnesota in the Senate since the 1970’s. Bob Dylan (Jewish) and Prince (black) are the two biggest pop artists to ever emerge from the state.

    • Replies: @guest
    @Feryl

    "Bob Dylan (Jewish) and Prince (black) are the two biggest pop artists to ever emerge from the state."

    Hold your horses! Judy Garland (white) was born in Grand Rapids, Minnesota.

  102. @Sean
    @OFWHAP


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas#Late_archaeology

    The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which, based on her documented archaeological findings, presented an overview of her conclusions about Neolithic cultures across Europe: housing patterns, social structure, art, religion, and the nature of literacy.

    The Civilization of the Goddess articulated what Gimbutas saw as the differences between the Old European system, which she considered goddess- and woman-centered (gynocentric), and the Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal ("androcratic") culture which supplanted it. According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    The androcratic, or male-dominated, Kurgan peoples, on the other hand, invaded Europe and imposed upon its natives the hierarchical rule of male warriors.
     
    They burnt their own wives alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Suttee. The women had an extreme need to elicite care and provisioning. Hence progressively whiter skin from a swarthy start. Red hair genes, which also make the skin very pale, are commonest in the areas of the British Isles where people are tallest and have the largest heads (West Coast Ireland and Northern Scotland) Scotland has the most Yamnaya ancestry in Britain acording to Reich's data, but as the Copper age female Bell Beaker remains from the Highland's show, the early Bell Beakers were dark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Feryl, @Carol

    Northern Brits and the Irish have extremely pale skin because the sun seldom shines there, plus there generally isn’t snow on the ground to reflect sun-light back at people. Blue eyes are also extremely common in Ireland, for the same reasons (e.g., brown eyes are less easily damaged by bright sun-light). Scandinavians and Slavs aren’t quite as pale because they have colder winters where snow is often on the ground (likewise, Canadian and Plains Indians, as well as people whose ancestors came from Northern Asia, didn’t develop extremely pale skin because of ground snow sun reflection). Celtic ancestry is considered the biggest risk factor for skin cancer.

    • Replies: @John Gruskos
    @Feryl


    Celtic ancestry is considered the biggest risk factor for skin cancer.
     
    The palest of the pale live beyond The Pale
  103. @Sean
    @OFWHAP


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marija_Gimbutas#Late_archaeology

    The Civilization of the Goddess (1991), which, based on her documented archaeological findings, presented an overview of her conclusions about Neolithic cultures across Europe: housing patterns, social structure, art, religion, and the nature of literacy.

    The Civilization of the Goddess articulated what Gimbutas saw as the differences between the Old European system, which she considered goddess- and woman-centered (gynocentric), and the Bronze Age Indo-European patriarchal ("androcratic") culture which supplanted it. According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.

    The androcratic, or male-dominated, Kurgan peoples, on the other hand, invaded Europe and imposed upon its natives the hierarchical rule of male warriors.
     
    They burnt their own wives alive on their husbands funeral pyre. Suttee. The women had an extreme need to elicite care and provisioning. Hence progressively whiter skin from a swarthy start. Red hair genes, which also make the skin very pale, are commonest in the areas of the British Isles where people are tallest and have the largest heads (West Coast Ireland and Northern Scotland) Scotland has the most Yamnaya ancestry in Britain acording to Reich's data, but as the Copper age female Bell Beaker remains from the Highland's show, the early Bell Beakers were dark.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @El Dato, @Jack D, @Feryl, @Carol

    Is this yamnaya ancestry something you need need a male sibling’s DNA tested to find out?

    I’m thinking of sending a kit to my brother.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Carol

    If you're looking for it in Y DNA, then yes. It can show up in autosomal DNA too, but it will probably be more diluted there.

  104. @Jack D
    @Sean


    According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.
     
    This sounds like pure wishful thinking and projection to me. The past is a tabula rasa onto which Gimbutas has projected her fantasies. This has nothing to do with science. I would love to have a time machine whereby we could send Gimbutas back to her prelapsarian paradise and there she would be raped, cruelly tortured and murdered within 24 hours of arriving on the orders of Tribal Leader Ancestral Tina Tchen.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Steve Sailer

    Yeah but the free bleeding would have been worth it.

  105. @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag


    consisting of blunderbusses and horses,
     
    No one fought Indians with blunderbusses. They had flintlock muskets at first, then percussion muskets and then cartridge rifles then Winchester lever guns. Though some treasonous traders sold Indians guns, whites had more and better ones and could shoot them better.

    A blunderbuss really was never that useful except to repel boarders in the days of sail. It was an extremely short range weapon and wasteful of powder and shot. In emergencies you could shoot random pebbles, gravel, nails, and whatnot but that tended to be tough on the barrel.

    The horse, of course, was a huge advantage, but some Indian tribes became famed as superb horsemen. The real defeat of Indians was because the white man was simply much more advanced and he kept coming.

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @Diversity Heretic

    Don’t forget artillery. However primitive, the ability to place an explosive shell on a group of people at a distance can be very disconcerting, especially if it’s a surprise.

  106. “The Most Violent Group of People Who Ever Lived”, is the vilest, clichetropean, stereotypical red harring that bored identity ever heard of ordinary, hard working beaker pot merchants whose tight-knit community values and spiritual perseverance positioned them permanently on the right side of history:

    For some well-known reason the Daily Mail is intentionally clueless about the real Most Violent Group of People Who Ever Lived…

  107. Anonymous[815] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag
    Plague, by the way, is the signal reason for the AngloSaxonJute conquest of Britannia. They don't teach you that in 7th grade either.

    Replies: @guest, @Jack D, @Anonymous

    The natives made alliances with Cortez only because they couldn’t defeat him and it wasn’t because of a lack of trying. The natives broke alliances frequently only to come crawling back when Cortez and his men defeated them by using superior tactics in addition to superior weapons.
    Cortez also had a lot of native supporters who were heartily fed up with the Incan death cult and the loss of their sons and daughters to blood thirsty priests. They realized that allying with Cortez could rid them of the priests.
    Cortez also treated the natives as equals and arranged marriages between his men and the natives to strengthen ties between them.
    This is well documented by one of the original conquistadors.
    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=bernal+diaz+del+castillo

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Anonymous

    Your post proves you to be a complete idiot. And, like the other idiots on here, your response is off-topic.

    , @Keypusher
    @Anonymous

    Cortez conquered the Aztecs. Pizarro conquered the Incas.

  108. @Whiskey
    @Craig Nelsen

    Wow, a howling mob of local White women figuring that if White men are not completely successful, they deserve to DIE DIE DIE!

    Wow, where have I EVER heard that one before?

    White women are the most Darwinian of creatures, they can't help it. Its hardwired. Expecting compassion and solidarity out of them for White men in distress is like expecting a cat to do calculus. It simply cannot be done.

    Indeed the worse White men are, the more White women figure they had it coming, and move on to other men. Again this is hard-wired into White women, its why immavasion has "Refugees Welcome!" stuff, and White Knighters of all types supplicating. And of COURSE the $PLC wants all White men dead. Its who they are. They figure they're not really White. [A dumb move, but one repeated over and over again in History.]

    Re the Conquest of Mexico and Peru and North and South America. Europeans were at first, thin in number. But they had all sorts of advantages against the natives.

    First, the Aztecs, Incans, and North and South American civilizations (the Tarrascans, Mixtec, Mayans, Hopi, Mound Builders, etc) had no sense of constant, organized warfare and strategy, tactics, maneuvers, shock battle, etc. They would either wage warrior type raids, like typical nomads, or among the civilized tribes stage a conflict among themselves that was settled by the battle, for the most part. [Wars among the Maya being the main exception and most like the Greek City states.]

    They had the wheel -- and used it only for children's toys. They had no concept like Europeans did going back to the Greeks and perfected by the Romans of logistics, supply, professional soldiers, of combat engineering, siege engines, siege warfare, metal working, gunpowder, sail, map making, and trans-oceanic travel. Had Cortez been defeated there would have been an Army of adventurers, soldiers, engineers, and more all waiting to stage another expedition. With ships from Europe and Jamaica to supply them, and nearly 2,000 years of experience WRITTEN DOWN on how to fight wars of extermination. Europe's soldiers had the lessons of Cannae, of Lake Tresimene, of Trebia, of the Grannicus River, of Tyre, of Platea, and Salamis. The Aztecs had a bunch of myths and had no conception of what the Conquistadors were capable of, how they fought, and what they could do in shock battle with metal blades.

    Nor were the Indians the only ones beset by disease. The Europeans were not immune and New World diseases particularly Yellow Fever hit them hard as well. I would say the particular European talent is for organization in high trust environments to produce mass slaughter of their enemies found few able to stand against them. Indeed the only enemy White men never conquered were their own women.

    Replies: @Skyler_the_Weird, @Fluesterwitz, @Diversity Heretic

    Good post and comments! I wouldn’t underplay technology however. When Norsemen arrived in North America they were eventually driven out by the Skraelings (and possibly by the Little Ice Age), partially because Norse weapons weren’t all that much better than those of the Indians. The development of firearms and gunpowder did a lot to tip the balance by the 16th Century.

  109. @Feryl
    @songbird

    Blonde hair is associated with social reserve, so in all likelihood blond hair only emerged in Northern Europe after centuries of stable, homogeneous communities. What's more is that blondeness peaks in the Baltic region, which is not exactly know for blazing any trails. "Catholic" Europeans (e.g. Celts and Meds) are less blonde than North-Central Euros and have a better reputation for creativity. We see this in American folk-ways, where the Nordic Upper Midwest is consistently terrible at producing notable gentile white artists (esp. in pop music), while the Scots-Irish whites (Elvis, Jim Morrison, James Hetfield, etc.) of the South and West find fame easily.

    Replies: @Sam Coulton, @syonredux

    Blonde hair is associated with social reserve, so in all likelihood blond hair only emerged in Northern Europe after centuries of stable, homogeneous communities. What’s more is that blondeness peaks in the Baltic region, which is not exactly know for blazing any trails. “Catholic” Europeans (e.g. Celts and Meds) are less blonde than North-Central Euros and have a better reputation for creativity.

    Except that blond hair didn’t originate in Europe but in Eastern Siberia (Afontova Gora) among the ANE, who were anything but homogenous.

    Your opinion is worth about as much as your bowel movements.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Sam Coulton


    Your opinion is worth about as much as your bowel movements
     
    .

    Will you please appraise my bowel movements next ?
  110. From Zimmer’s article:

    A skeleton from an elaborate grave in central Spain about 4,400 years old belonged to a man whose ancestry was 100 percent North African.

    “That’s crazy,” said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School and a co-author of the paper in Science. “We double-checked it because it was so weird.”

    Another striking result emerged when the researchers studied the DNA from a 3,500-year-old woman. They concluded she had a North African grandparent.

    So the next time you see some recent offering from Hollywood showing black people living in a western European medieval village, or as a member of a Viking ship crew, or as a mentor to folklore hero Robin Hood, remember that they’re just trying to be more “realistic.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @J1234

    But North African means what?

    Replies: @J1234

    , @Jack D
    @J1234


    A skeleton from an elaborate grave in central Spain about 4,400 years old belonged to a man whose ancestry was 100 percent North African.

    “That’s crazy,” said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School and a co-author of the paper in Science. “We double-checked it because it was so weird.”
     
    How is that weird? When you are at Gibraltar you can literally see Morocco, it's that close. You could cross it in a raft - hell you could swim across.
  111. @Feryl
    @Sean

    Northern Brits and the Irish have extremely pale skin because the sun seldom shines there, plus there generally isn't snow on the ground to reflect sun-light back at people. Blue eyes are also extremely common in Ireland, for the same reasons (e.g., brown eyes are less easily damaged by bright sun-light). Scandinavians and Slavs aren't quite as pale because they have colder winters where snow is often on the ground (likewise, Canadian and Plains Indians, as well as people whose ancestors came from Northern Asia, didn't develop extremely pale skin because of ground snow sun reflection). Celtic ancestry is considered the biggest risk factor for skin cancer.

    Replies: @John Gruskos

    Celtic ancestry is considered the biggest risk factor for skin cancer.

    The palest of the pale live beyond The Pale

  112. @CTD
    Rich, extroverted, nasty, brutish, and tall?

    Replies: @tyrone, @forgottenpseudonym

    A tribe of primeval Donald Trumps then?

  113. @Anon
    @Roderick Spode

    Could you elaborate ?

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Seems pretty obvious what he means. We’re not like our grandfathers but our grandson’s might be.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AndrewR

    Your grandsons are likely to be vastly outnumbered and not in charge of the levers of power by then. Will it matter ?

  114. @anon
    @Anon

    Maybe it will play out that way. But these cuksfags are actually the yamanaya and while we may have been culturally favoring less violence for a couple centuries while also killing off a lot of good fighters in intercine wars within the past generation or two we have shown ourselves to be still the fiercest men who ever lived and smart too a little jew media doesnt change that in 50 years.
    So what we see may actually be an intelligent response to the knowledge of how destructive a war will be and a calculated strategy of moving away from the attackers and placating them with trinkets and because fiat debt and ownership of several continents a belief we can afford to avoid war. But that now we are actually running out of trinkets and land we are coming to realize we must solve this problem. I mean just think for a moment if all white men suddenly got angry at all the sit they really ought to be livid about but have been thinking was no biggie what they could do in one day of berserking, whos going to stop us women? fags? little hispanics and stupid blacks muslims? nah we could wipe them all out in a few days without even using our military if we had the mind to. Minds can change suddenly this is why the left is desperate to get our guns and free speech they know they have pushed us to the point we traditionally get fed up with their shenanigans put them in ovens

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Not sure why you underestimate blacks so much. There’s a lot of well-armed black men out there with no qualms about killing whomever they need to, or want to. Blacks are not a trivial entity to be handwaved away.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @AndrewR

    Well, isn't the real problem that you hesitate rather than shooting them on sight? That is, the blacks are supported by a greater force, to which you submit.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    , @Old Palo Altan
    @AndrewR

    Blacks a trivial entity?

    In a dark alley, no.

    On the field of battle, yes. Give me one white division against ten of theirs any day.

    Blood tells.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    , @El Dato
    @AndrewR

    Shaka Zulu gave the rapacious Brits some trouble fer sure.

    But he was completely Nazi and a cultish end-timer. Colonel Kurtz for Blacks.

    There was a good chapter in John Keegan's "History of Warfare" as I remember, which I read nearly ... 30 years ago (?? gulp !)

  115. @eah
    https://twitter.com/Heminator/status/1111085310983716866

    Replies: @Redneck farmer, @AndrewR

    Terrifying for whom?

    • Replies: @eah
    @AndrewR

    Anyone who expects the police to enforce the law; anyone who knows that respect for and trust in the police is essential in a law-abiding society; anyone who thinks the consistent, fair and impartial enforcement of law, especially criminal law, is necessary to maintain faith in the entire judicial establishment.

    Which is the reason the outcome in the Smollett case -- especially the precedent it set, and make no mistake a precedent was set -- is so bad.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1110604756144119808

    Replies: @AndrewR

  116. @Wilkey
    It's only acceptable for them to frame the story this way because the Yamnaya are the ancestors of...well, you know who: white people. It's OK to demonize our ancestors.

    And I have questions about this statement: "Genetic analysis found that this movement of the Yamnaya descendants happened around 4,400 years ago and coincides with when the Britons of the time, who built Stonehenge, completely disappeared. There is no remnants of their DNA in the genome of modern people, but more significantly, there is no proof of the original Brits even a handful or generations later."

    Cheddar Man, found in Britain, dates to about 9,000 years ago, and at least one study showed that about 10% of modern, non-immigrant Britons trace ancestry to the same group of people as Cheddar Man. Interestingly there were several other skeletons found in the same cave that predate Cheddar Man by 5,000 years, and are basically unrelated to modern Britons. So the notion that all previous people were wiped out seems a bit exaggerated.

    Replies: @Sunbeam, @Travis

    the evidence suggests that there was no Y chromosome from the pre-Yamnaya men which has survived in modern males. But since Yamnaya males did mate with the aboriginal British we would expect some DNA in modern British to have some DNA from the aboriginal British peoples from 9,000 years ago.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @Travis

    My contention was with this statement: "There is no remnants of their DNA in the genome of modern people."

    That implies no remnants whatsoever, male or female. Total annihilation. It's the kind of blanket statement I find hard to believe, and which already seems to contradict earlier studies showing that a sizeable % of British DNA traces back to several thousand years before the Yamnaya.

    I'll follow the evidence wherever it leads, but this strikes me as either bad science, or bad reporting about science, or both.

    Where the hell is Greg Cochran when we need him?

    Replies: @Carol, @gcochran

  117. @James N. Kennett
    Yet even the Mail cannot avoid PC: we Aryans are "The Most Violent Group of People Who Ever Lived".

    The reality is that, in prehistoric warfare, Aryan violence was no better or worse than that of other groups.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    The reality is that, in prehistoric warfare, Aryan violence was no better or worse than that of other groups.

    Well, clearly better.

  118. @Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”
     
    I hadn't realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That's really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn't catch in the 19th century.

    It's amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess
     
    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    -- The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    -- The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    -- The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    -- The natives knew the territory.

    -- The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it's too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don't think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    Replies: @wren, @guest, @Desiderius, @gcochran, @Pericles, @obwandiyag

    “The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.”

    which is why the Spaniards would routinely win against enormous odds: they were outnumbered 45 to 1 at Cajamarca.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @gcochran

    Because they had allies and disease on their side idiot.

    Replies: @Saxon

  119. @Bardon Kaldian

    Forty per cent of all males had a Y chromosome linked to Yumnaya, indicating after the cultures met, only Yumnaya men were procreating.
     
    I am not attentive reader on these topics, but- what about 60%? It seems these findings confirm that others, too, had procreated.

    Or I'm missing something.....

    Replies: @gcochran

    40% of autosomal ancestry ended up Yamnya, ~100% of Y chromosomes,

  120. @AndrewR
    @eah

    Terrifying for whom?

    Replies: @eah

    Anyone who expects the police to enforce the law; anyone who knows that respect for and trust in the police is essential in a law-abiding society; anyone who thinks the consistent, fair and impartial enforcement of law, especially criminal law, is necessary to maintain faith in the entire judicial establishment.

    Which is the reason the outcome in the Smollett case — especially the precedent it set, and make no mistake a precedent was set — is so bad.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @eah

    Few people in the ghetto have had much trust for the police in a long time, if ever. And increasingly, fewer people outside the ghetto do either.

  121. @Travis
    @Wilkey

    the evidence suggests that there was no Y chromosome from the pre-Yamnaya men which has survived in modern males. But since Yamnaya males did mate with the aboriginal British we would expect some DNA in modern British to have some DNA from the aboriginal British peoples from 9,000 years ago.

    Replies: @Wilkey

    My contention was with this statement: “There is no remnants of their DNA in the genome of modern people.”

    That implies no remnants whatsoever, male or female. Total annihilation. It’s the kind of blanket statement I find hard to believe, and which already seems to contradict earlier studies showing that a sizeable % of British DNA traces back to several thousand years before the Yamnaya.

    I’ll follow the evidence wherever it leads, but this strikes me as either bad science, or bad reporting about science, or both.

    Where the hell is Greg Cochran when we need him?

    • Replies: @Carol
    @Wilkey

    See #119.

    , @gcochran
    @Wilkey

    Bell Beakers, upon invading England, replaced > 93% of the population. Some of the remaining hunter-gatherer alleles you see in the British Isles are actually from somewhat similar hunter-gatherers absorbed earlier on the Continent.

  122. @guest
    @obwandiyag

    And the Norman conquest happened because one guy caught an arrow in the eye.

    Replies: @Don't Look at Me, @JerseyJeffersonian

    Well, the Normans were greatly aided by the fact that Harald & the fyrd had to quick march to meet them after defeating an invading Viking army, casualties and injuries be damned. And they still gave the Normans a hard fight.

  123. @J1234
    From Zimmer's article:

    A skeleton from an elaborate grave in central Spain about 4,400 years old belonged to a man whose ancestry was 100 percent North African.

    “That’s crazy,” said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School and a co-author of the paper in Science. “We double-checked it because it was so weird.”

    Another striking result emerged when the researchers studied the DNA from a 3,500-year-old woman. They concluded she had a North African grandparent.
     
    So the next time you see some recent offering from Hollywood showing black people living in a western European medieval village, or as a member of a Viking ship crew, or as a mentor to folklore hero Robin Hood, remember that they're just trying to be more "realistic."

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D

    But North African means what?

    • Replies: @J1234
    @El Dato


    But North African means what?
     
    It means that Hollywood has been given a factual inch that they can stretch into a diversity mile.
  124. @Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”
     
    I hadn't realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That's really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn't catch in the 19th century.

    It's amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess
     
    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    -- The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    -- The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    -- The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    -- The natives knew the territory.

    -- The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it's too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don't think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    Replies: @wren, @guest, @Desiderius, @gcochran, @Pericles, @obwandiyag

    I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don’t think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    The Portuguese arrived in Japan in 1543. The history is interesting.

    Though it’s set at a later time, you could also have a look at James Clavell’s now somewhat forgotten 80s classic, Shogun.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Pericles

    I did get around to reading Shogun a few years ago (I had watched the television miniseries in the 1980s). Of the novel, which I basically liked, my biggest memory is Clavell's crazy point-of-view changes. He didn't change character POV chapter to chapter, or after a text break within a chapter. He would suddenly change POV paragraph to paragraph, or even within a paragraph.

    I imagine that his editor thought that the book was interesting, which it was, but that trying to untangle the crazy structure was hopeless, so they put it out as written.

    It really keeps thou on your toes: "Whose dialog is this? Whose thoughts are these?"

    Replies: @Pericles

  125. @AndrewR
    @anon

    Not sure why you underestimate blacks so much. There's a lot of well-armed black men out there with no qualms about killing whomever they need to, or want to. Blacks are not a trivial entity to be handwaved away.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Old Palo Altan, @El Dato

    Well, isn’t the real problem that you hesitate rather than shooting them on sight? That is, the blacks are supported by a greater force, to which you submit.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Pericles

    There are plenty of men who have shot other men, in war, with full approval of their jurisdiction, who hesitated. It is typically not easy for a grown man to take life, especially the life of another man. Some men do not hesitate, but that does not indicate that they are better men.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

  126. @eah
    @AndrewR

    Anyone who expects the police to enforce the law; anyone who knows that respect for and trust in the police is essential in a law-abiding society; anyone who thinks the consistent, fair and impartial enforcement of law, especially criminal law, is necessary to maintain faith in the entire judicial establishment.

    Which is the reason the outcome in the Smollett case -- especially the precedent it set, and make no mistake a precedent was set -- is so bad.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1110604756144119808

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Few people in the ghetto have had much trust for the police in a long time, if ever. And increasingly, fewer people outside the ghetto do either.

  127. @AndrewR
    @anon

    Not sure why you underestimate blacks so much. There's a lot of well-armed black men out there with no qualms about killing whomever they need to, or want to. Blacks are not a trivial entity to be handwaved away.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Old Palo Altan, @El Dato

    Blacks a trivial entity?

    In a dark alley, no.

    On the field of battle, yes. Give me one white division against ten of theirs any day.

    Blood tells.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Old Palo Altan

    We have no "white divisions," bud.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

  128. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Sean

    Listen.... I went to school with many Serbs.

    1. they are not very tall. Some are, most are not, just like us, Croats

    2. they don't have "flat back heads", this is absurd

    Replies: @Sean

    Flat backed head of Ratko Mladic, who is reassuring Muslims, just before the massacre.

    World Cup Serbian team: average height – 185.6 cm. Tallest in competition,

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Sean

    "Mladic announcing the Fun Bus"

    I'm not happy with that guy.

    , @HA
    @Sean

    "Flat backed head of Ratko Mladic, who is reassuring Muslims, just before the massacre...World Cup Serbian team: average height – 185.6 cm. Tallest in competition,..."

    From what I've seen, Bosnian Muslims are pretty tall, too.

    Your argument might have made sense if the residents of Srebrenica were ethnic Albanians, or Roma, but in fact, they're genetically more or less identical to the Serbs, and that goes for the lack of occipital chignons.

    This was just one group of tall people with flat-backed heads trying to get rid of another.

    Replies: @Sean

  129. @Sam Coulton
    @Feryl


    Blonde hair is associated with social reserve, so in all likelihood blond hair only emerged in Northern Europe after centuries of stable, homogeneous communities. What’s more is that blondeness peaks in the Baltic region, which is not exactly know for blazing any trails. “Catholic” Europeans (e.g. Celts and Meds) are less blonde than North-Central Euros and have a better reputation for creativity.
     
    Except that blond hair didn't originate in Europe but in Eastern Siberia (Afontova Gora) among the ANE, who were anything but homogenous.

    Your opinion is worth about as much as your bowel movements.

    Replies: @Anon

    Your opinion is worth about as much as your bowel movements

    .

    Will you please appraise my bowel movements next ?

  130. @AndrewR
    @Anon

    Seems pretty obvious what he means. We're not like our grandfathers but our grandson's might be.

    Replies: @Anon

    Your grandsons are likely to be vastly outnumbered and not in charge of the levers of power by then. Will it matter ?

  131. @Andy
    There is something of a disconnect between the Left accusing Westerners of being imperialists that invaded the rest of the world and then Left anthropologists denying that migrations of the past were violent...you cannot have it both ways

    Replies: @Desiderius, @Dieter Kief

    disconnect between the Left accusing Westerners of being imperialists that invaded the rest of the world and then Left anthropologists denying that migrations of the past were violent

    WoW, Andy, fine! We’re all just glad you too happened to notice this. So, Andy, let me explain, please: You’re right, there is indeed a disconnect, and this is TIME, see? Because this was then and what you notice is now – it for sure has been like this before but its not like that any longer, because things have changed, and in the meantime, we have become civilized and totally responsible as humankind. Now we all have to take responsibility, just because our past was so good. Responsibility and thankfulness – that’s all that counts now and what will bring us the final relief. We can’t wait for this all to happen, it’s so exciting! It is underway actually, so Andy: No need to worry – just relax, take a deep breath and cheer yourself up!, and join our radiant multicultural universal happiness right now!

    (Sigh. Irony off.)

  132. @stillCARealist
    @songbird

    What about the Mongols? did they get dethroned in the Most Violent category? I think the Chinese might have something to say about this.

    Replies: @songbird

    Everyone were pretty much pikers compared to the Mongols – at least for scale. But I’m thinking probably anyone who engaged in ritual torture and cannibalism, like the Huron or Iroquois, should get special points.

    Though I guess it is probably easiest to go after dead Europeans.

  133. @Old Palo Altan
    @AndrewR

    Blacks a trivial entity?

    In a dark alley, no.

    On the field of battle, yes. Give me one white division against ten of theirs any day.

    Blood tells.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    We have no “white divisions,” bud.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @AndrewR

    I'm talking about the past, when we had pride, and about the future ... if we regain it.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  134. @Craig Nelsen
    My post disappeared with a note it was "marked as spam", so I'm reposting:

    Interesting, especially in light of all those verses in the Jewish founding documents where their god commands them to put all the males to the sword and enslave the women and children. For example, Deuteronomy 20:10-15:

    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. (NIV)
     
    A little over a year ago, I was attempting to start an innovative program in Lexington, Missouri to stem the epidemic of suicide devastating white males (we are 30 percent of the population, 70 percent of suicides). It would have been a 13-week residency program involving a healthy, mostly raw diet, daily morning exercise, a rigorous academic program including history, philosophy, poetry, music, math, and literature, and two hours of intensive boxing training every day but Sunday.

    While the program was targeted at the specific challenges unique to white males in modern America (for example, the history component of the program would have used contemporaneous source documents to give the guys a different–accurate–view of the Civil War than the anti-white one they’ve gotten from Hollywood), it was always open, and clearly stated as open, to men in distress of any race.

    Who could possibly oppose any program to prevent the suicide of any humans, right?

    The SPLC unloaded on me, linking the program, which was only just getting off the ground, to “Nazi atrocities” and comparing me to a neo-Nazi who tried to start a “whites-only” colony in North Dakota some time back.

    My program was brought to a screeching halt, of course and I’m suing the SPLC right now in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri. They deserve to lose, and will, I think, but, I gotta say, they had help from the howling mob of local white women–who were just vicious about “that racist shit”–and local white males with an Ivy League background. (and of course local town leaders who were utterly spineless and, in fact, furious at me for having been the cause of some outfit in Montgomery, Alabama using the word “Nazi” and the name of their little town in the same article).

    But, as it says in my complaint,

    “Plaintiff’s theory regarding the causes behind the opioid crisis might have merit, or he might be a crackpot, but given the scale of human suffering at issue, it is an outrage against human decency that Defendant’s well-honed method of character assassination and defamation prevented even a simple test of Plaintiff’s theory. What, other than a deep animus, could explain why anyone would object to an attempt—any attempt—to alleviate the undeniable, documented, ongoing suffering of other human beings? It seems clear that the real social threat the January and February events in Lexington, Missouri exposed was not that Plaintiff has too much love for high IQ white men, it was that Defendant has too much hate for them.”
     
    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/NELSENvSPLC.pdf

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Jack D, @ben tillman

    There is a huge recurring problem in this world.

    Since you lived in China, I am sure you heard plenty of stories of the anti-rightist witch hunts that went on during the Cultural Revolution.

    Many Chinese readers of The Crucible asked Arthur Miller if the trial scenes in the play were translations of Chinese show trials during that time. Of course the play was written earlier. Miller was drawing parallels between the excesses of McCarthyism and the Salem Witch Trials. In that when there is hysteria, just being accused makes one guilty.

    For the record, one of my ancestors was the woman hanged after falsely being accused of being a witch. More recently, my grandfather was falsely accused by McCarthy of being a Communist. In fact, my grandfather was a specialist in international law who represented the interests of the Rockefeller and Ford families in their dealings with the USSR.

    I fear in the current climate, being accused of racism is sufficient to destroy one’s reputation. Nor is any distinction made between the mildest forms of racism, such as feeling a little uneasy in the presence of those different from you, or the more extreme kinds, such as genocide. In fact, the fear of being accused of racism is used to keep dissent from rising up.

    The people I know in NYC who can freely oppose open borders are Asian immigrants. They say things which would be considered xenophobic if I said them.

    As for the SPLC, it is horrible in a free society for one unelected and unaccountable organization to have the power to determine what the limits of free speech are.

    As for Congressman Crowley, karma is AOC

    As for you, I have no idea if you are racist or not, nor do I know the extent of any racism you may or may not have. I refuse to let the SPLC make that determination for me.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @Paleo Liberal

    Thanks for reading my complaint. As for Congressman Crowley, isn't that the truth? Sadly, there are many many more Crowleys to come; the virtue-signalling they did that did such harm back when it made a difference will be long forgotten and, rather than redemption, will bring them nothing but scorn and just deserts.

    When I was in China, Mao and his depredations were generally taboo subjects. The exception was after enough 啤酒 had been drunk. Then yes, I heard some real horror stories. For my students, too young to have known any of it first-hand, it was still sensitive nevertheless. In one of my classes, the students wanted to do something for Christmas, which was just around the corner. At one point, I suggested they could put a huge Santa hat on the statue of Mao at the university's gate. That evening I received a visit from the administration and warned sternly to stick to teaching them how WE celebrate Christmas. Of course, that IS how we celebrate Christmas, but never mind.

    The fundamental problem I see common to all these periods you mention is the idea that there is such a thing as an evil emotion or evil opinion. There is no such thing. Opinions, emotions, and thoughts in general are only ever rational or irrational, i.e., conform more or less to the world as it really is. Evil occurs through action in the real world that is the product of an irrational emotion, thought, opinion, and so on. But the the way to stamp out irrationality is through enlightenment, argument, open debate, tolerance of, airing of, and listening to a diversity of opinions.

    Compare to those who claim to be "fighting racism" or "fighting hate". Their methods are to ruin people, censor people, deplatform. Eventually, the impossibility of the crusade leads the crusaders to just declare whole classes of people irredeemable, and thereupon embark on stamping out the class. I make exactly this point in one of my filings in my lawsuit against the SPLC:

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/dkt-034.pdf

    It is common these days to hear how white people are racist, period.

    As for whether I am racist:

    Chinese nepotism: good business
    Jewish nepotism: group survival strategy
    Black nepotism: brotherhood
    Latinx nepotism: family values
    White nepotism: racism

    So, I don't know!! :)

    , @Neil Templeton
    @Paleo Liberal

    In even the finest minds, the back of the brain is run by a beast. When fear reigns, the beast controls the engine room.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

  135. @J1234
    From Zimmer's article:

    A skeleton from an elaborate grave in central Spain about 4,400 years old belonged to a man whose ancestry was 100 percent North African.

    “That’s crazy,” said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School and a co-author of the paper in Science. “We double-checked it because it was so weird.”

    Another striking result emerged when the researchers studied the DNA from a 3,500-year-old woman. They concluded she had a North African grandparent.
     
    So the next time you see some recent offering from Hollywood showing black people living in a western European medieval village, or as a member of a Viking ship crew, or as a mentor to folklore hero Robin Hood, remember that they're just trying to be more "realistic."

    Replies: @El Dato, @Jack D

    A skeleton from an elaborate grave in central Spain about 4,400 years old belonged to a man whose ancestry was 100 percent North African.

    “That’s crazy,” said David Reich, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School and a co-author of the paper in Science. “We double-checked it because it was so weird.”

    How is that weird? When you are at Gibraltar you can literally see Morocco, it’s that close. You could cross it in a raft – hell you could swim across.

  136. @Craig Nelsen
    My post disappeared with a note it was "marked as spam", so I'm reposting:

    Interesting, especially in light of all those verses in the Jewish founding documents where their god commands them to put all the males to the sword and enslave the women and children. For example, Deuteronomy 20:10-15:

    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. (NIV)
     
    A little over a year ago, I was attempting to start an innovative program in Lexington, Missouri to stem the epidemic of suicide devastating white males (we are 30 percent of the population, 70 percent of suicides). It would have been a 13-week residency program involving a healthy, mostly raw diet, daily morning exercise, a rigorous academic program including history, philosophy, poetry, music, math, and literature, and two hours of intensive boxing training every day but Sunday.

    While the program was targeted at the specific challenges unique to white males in modern America (for example, the history component of the program would have used contemporaneous source documents to give the guys a different–accurate–view of the Civil War than the anti-white one they’ve gotten from Hollywood), it was always open, and clearly stated as open, to men in distress of any race.

    Who could possibly oppose any program to prevent the suicide of any humans, right?

    The SPLC unloaded on me, linking the program, which was only just getting off the ground, to “Nazi atrocities” and comparing me to a neo-Nazi who tried to start a “whites-only” colony in North Dakota some time back.

    My program was brought to a screeching halt, of course and I’m suing the SPLC right now in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri. They deserve to lose, and will, I think, but, I gotta say, they had help from the howling mob of local white women–who were just vicious about “that racist shit”–and local white males with an Ivy League background. (and of course local town leaders who were utterly spineless and, in fact, furious at me for having been the cause of some outfit in Montgomery, Alabama using the word “Nazi” and the name of their little town in the same article).

    But, as it says in my complaint,

    “Plaintiff’s theory regarding the causes behind the opioid crisis might have merit, or he might be a crackpot, but given the scale of human suffering at issue, it is an outrage against human decency that Defendant’s well-honed method of character assassination and defamation prevented even a simple test of Plaintiff’s theory. What, other than a deep animus, could explain why anyone would object to an attempt—any attempt—to alleviate the undeniable, documented, ongoing suffering of other human beings? It seems clear that the real social threat the January and February events in Lexington, Missouri exposed was not that Plaintiff has too much love for high IQ white men, it was that Defendant has too much hate for them.”
     
    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/NELSENvSPLC.pdf

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Jack D, @ben tillman

    What is being described in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 was not uniquely Jewish but was pretty much standard practice in the ancient world (and in fact up to near-modern times). In fact God (or the authors of Deuteronomy are offering moral instruction which is supposed to be an IMPROVEMENT on barbarian practices – if you besiege a city you are supposed to offer them peace first and if they surrender then you are obligated NOT to kill all the men.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @Jack D


    What is being described in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 was not uniquely Jewish but was pretty much standard practice in the ancient world (and in fact up to near-modern times).
     
    Right. The Yanmaya or whatever weren't special in that regard. One ancient invader--one of the Persians, I think--if a city resisted, he would lay siege, then, when the city fell, he would hold a public spectacle in which the local king would be killed, but, first, his children would be killed in front of him. You can see the wisdom of that. As word spread of this deed, the next king is going to a lot more tempted to offer no resistance--just pay the protection money. Moreover, even if he wants to resist, since the other men in his city don't have all that much to lose, they aren't going to be as willing to go to the mat to repel the invader. The elites have always and everywhere been sell-outs, apparently.

    There are some striking things about the Jewish founding documents, though. In addition to their god commanding them, as aggressors, explicitly to offer their victims a choice between death and slavery, they are commanded to kill and enslave people who are far distant. That isn't about breathing space, or even preemptive homeland security.

    Then there is stuff like this from Deuteronomy 15:6 commanding Jews to rule the world through the banking system:


    For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.
     
    There are commands to free Hebrew debtors and slaves, but not foreigners (slavery! racism!) and so on and so forth. The real question is whether you are right that this was common practice back then and there was nothing particularly special about the Jews in that regard, and, anyway, it's all in the past.

    But is it? The Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank owned by five Jewish families, I'm told, which loans money to our treasury by adding a few zeros to a ledger ("the filthy nothing inside", as Robinson Jeffers called it) on which we pay interest with sweat equity. During the mortgage crisis of 2008, 20 million American families lost their homes, that is to say, they had all the wealth they'd accumulated stripped out of their lives, with the resulting catastrophes like divorce, suicide, addiction, and so on that go with losing your home. Then our government sent THE BANKERS (not the people who lost their homes) trillions of dollars in a "bail out" on which the people who lost their homes are now forced to pay the interest.

    Tell me we're not enslaved.

    But, at least we didn't resist, like the Russians and Germans!

    The land promised to the ancient Jews by their god is the area we know today as Palestine, Syria, and Iraq. Now, of course, Palestine is called Israel, and the men in Iraq and Syria are being put to the sword (by us!) even as we speak.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous

  137. @Feryl
    Minnesota whites are so introverted that Jews have consistently represented Minnesota in the Senate since the 1970's. Bob Dylan (Jewish) and Prince (black) are the two biggest pop artists to ever emerge from the state.

    Replies: @guest

    “Bob Dylan (Jewish) and Prince (black) are the two biggest pop artists to ever emerge from the state.”

    Hold your horses! Judy Garland (white) was born in Grand Rapids, Minnesota.

  138. @AndrewR
    @anon

    Not sure why you underestimate blacks so much. There's a lot of well-armed black men out there with no qualms about killing whomever they need to, or want to. Blacks are not a trivial entity to be handwaved away.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Old Palo Altan, @El Dato

    Shaka Zulu gave the rapacious Brits some trouble fer sure.

    But he was completely Nazi and a cultish end-timer. Colonel Kurtz for Blacks.

    There was a good chapter in John Keegan’s “History of Warfare” as I remember, which I read nearly … 30 years ago (?? gulp !)

  139. @Sean
    @Bardon Kaldian

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jCEM-OirLBE/hqdefault.jpg



    Flat backed head of Ratko Mladic, who is reassuring Muslims, just before the massacre.



    World Cup Serbian team: average height - 185.6 cm. Tallest in competition,

    Replies: @El Dato, @HA

    “Mladic announcing the Fun Bus”

    I’m not happy with that guy.

  140. @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    There is a huge recurring problem in this world.

    Since you lived in China, I am sure you heard plenty of stories of the anti-rightist witch hunts that went on during the Cultural Revolution.

    Many Chinese readers of The Crucible asked Arthur Miller if the trial scenes in the play were translations of Chinese show trials during that time. Of course the play was written earlier. Miller was drawing parallels between the excesses of McCarthyism and the Salem Witch Trials. In that when there is hysteria, just being accused makes one guilty.

    For the record, one of my ancestors was the woman hanged after falsely being accused of being a witch. More recently, my grandfather was falsely accused by McCarthy of being a Communist. In fact, my grandfather was a specialist in international law who represented the interests of the Rockefeller and Ford families in their dealings with the USSR.

    I fear in the current climate, being accused of racism is sufficient to destroy one’s reputation. Nor is any distinction made between the mildest forms of racism, such as feeling a little uneasy in the presence of those different from you, or the more extreme kinds, such as genocide. In fact, the fear of being accused of racism is used to keep dissent from rising up.

    The people I know in NYC who can freely oppose open borders are Asian immigrants. They say things which would be considered xenophobic if I said them.

    As for the SPLC, it is horrible in a free society for one unelected and unaccountable organization to have the power to determine what the limits of free speech are.

    As for Congressman Crowley, karma is AOC

    As for you, I have no idea if you are racist or not, nor do I know the extent of any racism you may or may not have. I refuse to let the SPLC make that determination for me.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Neil Templeton

    Thanks for reading my complaint. As for Congressman Crowley, isn’t that the truth? Sadly, there are many many more Crowleys to come; the virtue-signalling they did that did such harm back when it made a difference will be long forgotten and, rather than redemption, will bring them nothing but scorn and just deserts.

    When I was in China, Mao and his depredations were generally taboo subjects. The exception was after enough 啤酒 had been drunk. Then yes, I heard some real horror stories. For my students, too young to have known any of it first-hand, it was still sensitive nevertheless. In one of my classes, the students wanted to do something for Christmas, which was just around the corner. At one point, I suggested they could put a huge Santa hat on the statue of Mao at the university’s gate. That evening I received a visit from the administration and warned sternly to stick to teaching them how WE celebrate Christmas. Of course, that IS how we celebrate Christmas, but never mind.

    The fundamental problem I see common to all these periods you mention is the idea that there is such a thing as an evil emotion or evil opinion. There is no such thing. Opinions, emotions, and thoughts in general are only ever rational or irrational, i.e., conform more or less to the world as it really is. Evil occurs through action in the real world that is the product of an irrational emotion, thought, opinion, and so on. But the the way to stamp out irrationality is through enlightenment, argument, open debate, tolerance of, airing of, and listening to a diversity of opinions.

    Compare to those who claim to be “fighting racism” or “fighting hate”. Their methods are to ruin people, censor people, deplatform. Eventually, the impossibility of the crusade leads the crusaders to just declare whole classes of people irredeemable, and thereupon embark on stamping out the class. I make exactly this point in one of my filings in my lawsuit against the SPLC:

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/dkt-034.pdf

    It is common these days to hear how white people are racist, period.

    As for whether I am racist:

    Chinese nepotism: good business
    Jewish nepotism: group survival strategy
    Black nepotism: brotherhood
    Latinx nepotism: family values
    White nepotism: racism

    So, I don’t know!! 🙂

  141. @Edward
    The Daily Mail comments are priceless. Despite their Yamnaya ancestry (around 50%, is it?), they are calling the Yamnaya people “immigrants” and saying that “history repeats itself”. Perhaps they now accept the left’s claim that Britain is a nation of immigrants.

    Immigration restrictionists are rather amusing at times.

    Replies: @Bragadocious, @Bies Podkrakowski

    they are calling the Yamnaya people “immigrants” and saying that “history repeats itself”.

    Yes, you could call Yamnaya immigrants. They migrated. Also they had a conflict with locals. That’s frequently happens with mass migration.

    So, where’s the fun element?

  142. @AndrewR
    @Old Palo Altan

    We have no "white divisions," bud.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    I’m talking about the past, when we had pride, and about the future … if we regain it.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Old Palo Altan

    I admire your spirit. Dum spiro spero.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

  143. @Feryl
    @songbird

    Blonde hair is associated with social reserve, so in all likelihood blond hair only emerged in Northern Europe after centuries of stable, homogeneous communities. What's more is that blondeness peaks in the Baltic region, which is not exactly know for blazing any trails. "Catholic" Europeans (e.g. Celts and Meds) are less blonde than North-Central Euros and have a better reputation for creativity. We see this in American folk-ways, where the Nordic Upper Midwest is consistently terrible at producing notable gentile white artists (esp. in pop music), while the Scots-Irish whites (Elvis, Jim Morrison, James Hetfield, etc.) of the South and West find fame easily.

    Replies: @Sam Coulton, @syonredux

    Elvis dyed his hair black:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Did Elvis have African ancestry? Something about his eyes and the upper nose in the frontal photos.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @S. Anonyia
    @syonredux

    He still isn’t blond other than as a kid. Looks like he dyed his chestnut brown hair black.

  144. @Digital Samizdat
    @obwandiyag

    So the Great Injun Die-off wasn't a deliberate act of genocide committed by Evil Whitey after all? It was actually because of plague? You mean to tell me that I've been going around all these years wrongly hating my race for annihilating the Indians, when it was really an Act of God that laid them low? You don't say!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Paleo Liberal

    So the Great Injun Die-off wasn’t a deliberate act of genocide committed by Evil Whitey after all? It was actually because of plague?

    It;s just amazing to think that this same Carl Zimmer both wrote a book called Plague Time (which I read!) and Tweeted his hope that the Ebola virus would exact revenge on white Americans for their killing of Amerindians.

  145. @Old Palo Altan
    @AndrewR

    I'm talking about the past, when we had pride, and about the future ... if we regain it.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    I admire your spirit. Dum spiro spero.

    • Replies: @Old Palo Altan
    @ben tillman

    ... which adage is elaborately carved into the mantelpiece in what was originally the smoking room in the late Victorian house I live in.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  146. @Craig Nelsen
    My post disappeared with a note it was "marked as spam", so I'm reposting:

    Interesting, especially in light of all those verses in the Jewish founding documents where their god commands them to put all the males to the sword and enslave the women and children. For example, Deuteronomy 20:10-15:

    When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby. (NIV)
     
    A little over a year ago, I was attempting to start an innovative program in Lexington, Missouri to stem the epidemic of suicide devastating white males (we are 30 percent of the population, 70 percent of suicides). It would have been a 13-week residency program involving a healthy, mostly raw diet, daily morning exercise, a rigorous academic program including history, philosophy, poetry, music, math, and literature, and two hours of intensive boxing training every day but Sunday.

    While the program was targeted at the specific challenges unique to white males in modern America (for example, the history component of the program would have used contemporaneous source documents to give the guys a different–accurate–view of the Civil War than the anti-white one they’ve gotten from Hollywood), it was always open, and clearly stated as open, to men in distress of any race.

    Who could possibly oppose any program to prevent the suicide of any humans, right?

    The SPLC unloaded on me, linking the program, which was only just getting off the ground, to “Nazi atrocities” and comparing me to a neo-Nazi who tried to start a “whites-only” colony in North Dakota some time back.

    My program was brought to a screeching halt, of course and I’m suing the SPLC right now in US District Court for the Western District of Missouri. They deserve to lose, and will, I think, but, I gotta say, they had help from the howling mob of local white women–who were just vicious about “that racist shit”–and local white males with an Ivy League background. (and of course local town leaders who were utterly spineless and, in fact, furious at me for having been the cause of some outfit in Montgomery, Alabama using the word “Nazi” and the name of their little town in the same article).

    But, as it says in my complaint,

    “Plaintiff’s theory regarding the causes behind the opioid crisis might have merit, or he might be a crackpot, but given the scale of human suffering at issue, it is an outrage against human decency that Defendant’s well-honed method of character assassination and defamation prevented even a simple test of Plaintiff’s theory. What, other than a deep animus, could explain why anyone would object to an attempt—any attempt—to alleviate the undeniable, documented, ongoing suffering of other human beings? It seems clear that the real social threat the January and February events in Lexington, Missouri exposed was not that Plaintiff has too much love for high IQ white men, it was that Defendant has too much hate for them.”
     
    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/NELSENvSPLC.pdf

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Jack D, @ben tillman

    Why are you suing in Missouri, instead of Alabama where the law is so much more favorable? Are you scared of a black Alabama jury?

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @ben tillman

    Several reasons, I suppose. One, the cause of action concerned a Missouri project, and that's where the damage was done. Two, I had to do this en forma pauperis, so I didn't have the luxury of an option, and pro se, so I wouldn't have known to even if I had had the option.

    As for the race of the jury members, there are lots of blacks who don't celebrate when harm comes to whites, just like there are lots of whites who don't celebrate when harm comes to blacks. My co-plaintiff is black (the SPLC opposes justice raining down like mighty waters on him, by the way).

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/2019-02-05-press_release_html_11926fde.jpg

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal, @Don't Look at Me, @ben tillman

  147. @Sam Coulton
    @songbird

    You are talking about the Eastern Yamnaya from Ukraine. These people this paper talks about were the Bell Beakers from Germany. The paper erroneously refers to them as "Yamnaya".

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    My name’s Bell. Bell Beaker. I come from the east. I don’t want your women and your land, but I’ve got something you might like. I call it “Whiskey”.

  148. @obwandiyag
    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: "Decimated by disease."

    Sounds like America. Without General Influenza and Colonel Smallpox, you would be living in the Indian States of America. (And if anybody starts in about the "superior technology," consisting of blunderbusses and horses, whooee, hoopdedoo, I'll just laugh at them repeating the lies their 7th grade history teacher told them--sorry, Cortez, Pizarro, all made alliances with big tribes who were sick of being under the thumb of the top dogs. Without Indian allies (and despite disease), they would have been crushed in their shiny stovepipe suits).

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess, probably imagining their rippling muscles, of course they could kill off the remnants of tribes decimated by disease and famine. Duh. Somehow I don't think this fact fits with your might mighty mighty dream scenario.

    Replies: @songbird, @Roderick Spode, @Anon, @Anonymous, @Colin Wright, @guest, @El Dato, @El Dato, @Digital Samizdat, @Bartolo, @backup, @interesting

    Did Tiny Duck get a new moniker?

  149. @Sam Coulton
    @Sean

    That reconstruction isn't based on any pigmentation SNP data and the Bell Beakers were already light before all this.. The level of violence in a society doesn't affect skin pigmentation; the two are totally unrelated.

    Replies: @Sean

    Ava descended via both parents from immigrants into Britain, possibly from what is now the Netherlands, but probably grew up within the Caithness region. Her ancestors likely arrived a few generations earlier; this is supported not only by the DNA analysis but with the style of the Beaker found in her cist (Hoole 2018, 107).

    <

  150. @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    There is a huge recurring problem in this world.

    Since you lived in China, I am sure you heard plenty of stories of the anti-rightist witch hunts that went on during the Cultural Revolution.

    Many Chinese readers of The Crucible asked Arthur Miller if the trial scenes in the play were translations of Chinese show trials during that time. Of course the play was written earlier. Miller was drawing parallels between the excesses of McCarthyism and the Salem Witch Trials. In that when there is hysteria, just being accused makes one guilty.

    For the record, one of my ancestors was the woman hanged after falsely being accused of being a witch. More recently, my grandfather was falsely accused by McCarthy of being a Communist. In fact, my grandfather was a specialist in international law who represented the interests of the Rockefeller and Ford families in their dealings with the USSR.

    I fear in the current climate, being accused of racism is sufficient to destroy one’s reputation. Nor is any distinction made between the mildest forms of racism, such as feeling a little uneasy in the presence of those different from you, or the more extreme kinds, such as genocide. In fact, the fear of being accused of racism is used to keep dissent from rising up.

    The people I know in NYC who can freely oppose open borders are Asian immigrants. They say things which would be considered xenophobic if I said them.

    As for the SPLC, it is horrible in a free society for one unelected and unaccountable organization to have the power to determine what the limits of free speech are.

    As for Congressman Crowley, karma is AOC

    As for you, I have no idea if you are racist or not, nor do I know the extent of any racism you may or may not have. I refuse to let the SPLC make that determination for me.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Neil Templeton

    In even the finest minds, the back of the brain is run by a beast. When fear reigns, the beast controls the engine room.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Neil Templeton

    Truer words have never been posted.

  151. @Bragadocious
    @Edward

    What's funny is the Brits sing that song about how they will never be slaves, when their entire history is them being slaves -- the Yamnaya, the Romans, Saxons, Normans and now Pakistanis. All have conquered Britain. Perhaps it's time for a new song?

    Replies: @Redneck farmer

    Are you familiar with the state of today’s Royal Navy compared to when “Rule Brittania”?

  152. @Pericles
    @AndrewR

    Well, isn't the real problem that you hesitate rather than shooting them on sight? That is, the blacks are supported by a greater force, to which you submit.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    There are plenty of men who have shot other men, in war, with full approval of their jurisdiction, who hesitated. It is typically not easy for a grown man to take life, especially the life of another man. Some men do not hesitate, but that does not indicate that they are better men.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Neil Templeton

    Some people are not cut out for killing. If in WWII we had been a nation of vegetarians and suburban isolated kids instead of mainly either inner city or farm kids and if hunting were not the pastime it was (even shooting rats at the dump, city kids did that) we'd have had our asses handed to us. As it was the average US soldier was not up to the Wehrmacht standard, much less the SS or the Finns, but we had enough hardened guys who could and would pull the trigger, and a few were superb.

    Hunting deer and other larger critters desensitizes people to this a little, but still, it's an unusual person who can do what a sniper or a SEAL has to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius

    , @Pericles
    @Neil Templeton

    When the well-armed murderous men are moving among you, you better figure something out. No guts, no glory.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Neil Templeton

    "Some men do not hesitate, but that does not indicate that they are better men."

    As General Montgomery observed in Normandy watching the Brits advance against German defenders "the trouble with our British lads is that they are not natural killers".

  153. @Neil Templeton
    @Paleo Liberal

    In even the finest minds, the back of the brain is run by a beast. When fear reigns, the beast controls the engine room.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    Truer words have never been posted.

  154. @ben tillman
    @Craig Nelsen

    Why are you suing in Missouri, instead of Alabama where the law is so much more favorable? Are you scared of a black Alabama jury?

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    Several reasons, I suppose. One, the cause of action concerned a Missouri project, and that’s where the damage was done. Two, I had to do this en forma pauperis, so I didn’t have the luxury of an option, and pro se, so I wouldn’t have known to even if I had had the option.

    As for the race of the jury members, there are lots of blacks who don’t celebrate when harm comes to whites, just like there are lots of whites who don’t celebrate when harm comes to blacks. My co-plaintiff is black (the SPLC opposes justice raining down like mighty waters on him, by the way).

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    Working pro se is very difficult.

    I’ve done several cases that way.

    On one hand it is satisfying to defeat a member of the bar as a pro se litigant.

    On the other hand, these were a few cases in which I made stupid rookie errors a good attorney never would have gotten.

    In my best cases I got a better result than a top attorney thought he could get if he represented me.

    In my worst cases, I snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    One of my all time favorites was a case I took to arbitration so I could represent my wife. I couldn’t do that in court. She was being sued for thousands of dollars. I settled that case. They wound up paying her a few thousand.

    My advice is this:
    If there are settlement talks, don’t get greedy. In one case I turned down a settlement when we were only $500 apart. It turns out I made a mistake with the paperwork and the case was dismissed. I got nothing.

    In another case, they went ballistic after I turned down their settlement offer. I was finally able to get that settled for about double their original offer, which was only 20% of my first offer.

    In a nutshell,

    Working pro se is a TON of work. You either learn the law better than their attorneys or you lose.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Almost Missouri

    , @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    It is my experience that there are a certain number of African Americans who have a very good bullsh!+ detector when dealing with white folks. Not all, but quite a few.

    Many can tell if you are genuinely comfortable in their presence. They often distrust the SJW liberals who, as the saying goes, like blacks in theory but don’t like blacks as individuals.

    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

    That would seem to be a survival skill.

    I personally am pretty far left and am open to treating people of all kinds as individuals. I don’t get politically correct, but then why should I? Real friends don’t walk on eggshells around each other.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    , @Don't Look at Me
    @Craig Nelsen

    I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RMoH55T-oI

    , @ben tillman
    @Craig Nelsen

    I looked at your complaint and didn't see any quotes of what the SPLC said.

  155. @Redneck farmer
    @Anonymous

    Matchlock muskets, actually. Flintlocks came along later. And Indians preferred those over bows. During the late 1600s and the 1700s, the Iroquois ethnically cleansed Ohio, but history books don't make a big deal about THAT.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    The first time I found out about that was reading a history of Milwaukee.

    Wisconsin was sort of the Oklahoma of the North, except much earlier. Indians chases out of the lower Midwest or Canada sought shelter in The Good Land, where the massive Lake Michigan provided shelter from attack. The northern tribes migrated through the only white town in the area — a French and later American trading post called La Baie Vert. The southern tribes migrated through what is now Chicago.

    There were two white guys in LBV (now Green Bay) who had been given substantial land holdings along the Milwaukee River — Juneau and Kilborne — who made a mint working with real estate developers to sell off their land holdings. Juneau has the better land — between the river and Lake Michigan — and was much richer. Downtown Milwaukee is now located on Juneau’s old land.

    Meanwhile, Juneau’s brother went off to explore Alaska.

  156. @Wilkey
    @Travis

    My contention was with this statement: "There is no remnants of their DNA in the genome of modern people."

    That implies no remnants whatsoever, male or female. Total annihilation. It's the kind of blanket statement I find hard to believe, and which already seems to contradict earlier studies showing that a sizeable % of British DNA traces back to several thousand years before the Yamnaya.

    I'll follow the evidence wherever it leads, but this strikes me as either bad science, or bad reporting about science, or both.

    Where the hell is Greg Cochran when we need him?

    Replies: @Carol, @gcochran

    See #119.

  157. @Digital Samizdat
    @obwandiyag

    So the Great Injun Die-off wasn't a deliberate act of genocide committed by Evil Whitey after all? It was actually because of plague? You mean to tell me that I've been going around all these years wrongly hating my race for annihilating the Indians, when it was really an Act of God that laid them low? You don't say!

    Replies: @ben tillman, @Paleo Liberal

    That is why the Eastern tribes have very few full-blooded members anymore. The mixed race Indians had at least some resistance to European disease.

    I used to know a woman from an Atlantic coastal tribe that had first contact in the 1600s. Her tribe had exactly zero full blooded Indians remaining.

    Nor were the Americas the only place this happened. The first census of the Kingdom of Hawaii Nei listed 400,000 people, almost all full blooded Hawaiians.

    Less than a century later, the last census listed 40,000 people, the vast majority of whom were Asian, haole or mixed. It didn’t take too long before the full blooded Hawaiians were less than 1% of the population.

    There are only a few very isolated parts of Hawaii with a significant percentage of full blooded Hawaiians. The Island of Niihau, remote parts of eastern Maui near Hana, etc. These are areas with a few hundred full blooded Hawaiians,

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. There was a band I really loved to see called the Makaha Sons of Niihau. The leaders of the band were two full blooded native brothers, Skippy and Izzy. Both were at least 6 1/2 ‘ tall, maybe taller. Skippy was about 700 pounds, and died a short time later in his twenties of congestive heart failure. Izzy was only about 400-500 pounds. He later ballooned above 500 pounds and died in his mid 30s of congestive heart failure.

    • Replies: @res
    @Paleo Liberal


    The mixed race Indians had at least some resistance to European disease.
     
    I wonder how much selection there was on specific HLA antigens. The HLA region of the genome is hard to sequence, but perhaps this can be studied at some point.
    https://www.illumina.com/clinical/hla-sequencing.html
  158. @Wilkey
    @Travis

    My contention was with this statement: "There is no remnants of their DNA in the genome of modern people."

    That implies no remnants whatsoever, male or female. Total annihilation. It's the kind of blanket statement I find hard to believe, and which already seems to contradict earlier studies showing that a sizeable % of British DNA traces back to several thousand years before the Yamnaya.

    I'll follow the evidence wherever it leads, but this strikes me as either bad science, or bad reporting about science, or both.

    Where the hell is Greg Cochran when we need him?

    Replies: @Carol, @gcochran

    Bell Beakers, upon invading England, replaced > 93% of the population. Some of the remaining hunter-gatherer alleles you see in the British Isles are actually from somewhat similar hunter-gatherers absorbed earlier on the Continent.

  159. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neil Templeton
    @Pericles

    There are plenty of men who have shot other men, in war, with full approval of their jurisdiction, who hesitated. It is typically not easy for a grown man to take life, especially the life of another man. Some men do not hesitate, but that does not indicate that they are better men.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

    Some people are not cut out for killing. If in WWII we had been a nation of vegetarians and suburban isolated kids instead of mainly either inner city or farm kids and if hunting were not the pastime it was (even shooting rats at the dump, city kids did that) we’d have had our asses handed to us. As it was the average US soldier was not up to the Wehrmacht standard, much less the SS or the Finns, but we had enough hardened guys who could and would pull the trigger, and a few were superb.

    Hunting deer and other larger critters desensitizes people to this a little, but still, it’s an unusual person who can do what a sniper or a SEAL has to.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    How do militaries go about selecting snipers? Obviously, shooting ability is big, but do they have a problem with some % of good shooters being unable to look somebody in the face through a scope and pull the trigger? Obviously, this is related to the old S.L.A. Marshall controversy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @Sean

    , @Desiderius
    @Anonymous


    a nation of vegetarians and suburban isolated kids
     
    #1 unstated reason we've been in Afghanistan for a generation and may be there for a few more.

    Green to red (in tooth and claw).

    http://combatobscura.oscilloscope.net/

    Replies: @Don't Look at Me

  160. @Carol
    @Sean

    Is this yamnaya ancestry something you need need a male sibling's DNA tested to find out?

    I'm thinking of sending a kit to my brother.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    If you’re looking for it in Y DNA, then yes. It can show up in autosomal DNA too, but it will probably be more diluted there.

  161. HA says:
    @Sean
    @Bardon Kaldian

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jCEM-OirLBE/hqdefault.jpg



    Flat backed head of Ratko Mladic, who is reassuring Muslims, just before the massacre.



    World Cup Serbian team: average height - 185.6 cm. Tallest in competition,

    Replies: @El Dato, @HA

    Flat backed head of Ratko Mladic, who is reassuring Muslims, just before the massacre…World Cup Serbian team: average height – 185.6 cm. Tallest in competition,…”

    From what I’ve seen, Bosnian Muslims are pretty tall, too.

    Your argument might have made sense if the residents of Srebrenica were ethnic Albanians, or Roma, but in fact, they’re genetically more or less identical to the Serbs, and that goes for the lack of occipital chignons.

    This was just one group of tall people with flat-backed heads trying to get rid of another.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @HA

    The Bell Beakers were big headed, and if you had to put them into a subrace you would have to call them Dinarids. They got less violent, and as mentioned large brain size is a marker for violent aggression, and this aggression/cranial capacity declined with demestication. Carlton Coon called this process "reduction". The closest thing to the Bell Beakers in Europe today are the Serbs.

  162. @Craig Nelsen
    @ben tillman

    Several reasons, I suppose. One, the cause of action concerned a Missouri project, and that's where the damage was done. Two, I had to do this en forma pauperis, so I didn't have the luxury of an option, and pro se, so I wouldn't have known to even if I had had the option.

    As for the race of the jury members, there are lots of blacks who don't celebrate when harm comes to whites, just like there are lots of whites who don't celebrate when harm comes to blacks. My co-plaintiff is black (the SPLC opposes justice raining down like mighty waters on him, by the way).

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/2019-02-05-press_release_html_11926fde.jpg

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal, @Don't Look at Me, @ben tillman

    Working pro se is very difficult.

    I’ve done several cases that way.

    On one hand it is satisfying to defeat a member of the bar as a pro se litigant.

    On the other hand, these were a few cases in which I made stupid rookie errors a good attorney never would have gotten.

    In my best cases I got a better result than a top attorney thought he could get if he represented me.

    In my worst cases, I snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    One of my all time favorites was a case I took to arbitration so I could represent my wife. I couldn’t do that in court. She was being sued for thousands of dollars. I settled that case. They wound up paying her a few thousand.

    My advice is this:
    If there are settlement talks, don’t get greedy. In one case I turned down a settlement when we were only $500 apart. It turns out I made a mistake with the paperwork and the case was dismissed. I got nothing.

    In another case, they went ballistic after I turned down their settlement offer. I was finally able to get that settled for about double their original offer, which was only 20% of my first offer.

    In a nutshell,

    Working pro se is a TON of work. You either learn the law better than their attorneys or you lose.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @Paleo Liberal

    It is a ton of work, and I can only imagine the mistakes I'm making, but I feel confident about the case. Right now, we're waiting for a ruling on their Rule 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. If the Court grants it, I'll be shocked, first of all,and immediately appeal. But I don't see that happening, because, at least to my untrained eye, I have a good case.

    When their motion to dismiss is denied, I have a feeling it will suddenly be much easier to find actual legal representation, and from there, it's off to arbitration. I'm not going to be greedy, but they need to pay. I'm actually worried about that, more than anything, especially given all the turmoil there, so on Friday I filed a motion for a preemptive injunction asking the Court 1) to prevent them moving any more assets out of the country, and 2) to prevent the defendants personally from traveling outside the country until this suit is resolved.

    I appreciate your comments, since you have been down this road a few times.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal

    How do you get into so much litigation?

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

  163. @Anonymous
    @Neil Templeton

    Some people are not cut out for killing. If in WWII we had been a nation of vegetarians and suburban isolated kids instead of mainly either inner city or farm kids and if hunting were not the pastime it was (even shooting rats at the dump, city kids did that) we'd have had our asses handed to us. As it was the average US soldier was not up to the Wehrmacht standard, much less the SS or the Finns, but we had enough hardened guys who could and would pull the trigger, and a few were superb.

    Hunting deer and other larger critters desensitizes people to this a little, but still, it's an unusual person who can do what a sniper or a SEAL has to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius

    How do militaries go about selecting snipers? Obviously, shooting ability is big, but do they have a problem with some % of good shooters being unable to look somebody in the face through a scope and pull the trigger? Obviously, this is related to the old S.L.A. Marshall controversy.

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Steve Sailer

    I had a friend who was a Navy Seal in the Vietnam War. I knew the guy in the late 1990s and he still couldn’t sleep in the same bed with his wife because he always woke up screaming.

    He told me he was a trained assassin, and did some truly terrible things he would never talk about.

    He had a really rough childhood growing up. He had tons of anger towards the world. In his opinion, the Navy noticed how angry and disturbed he was and decided he would make a natural born killer.

    OTOH, another friend of mine was a Marine in the Vietnam War. Other than when he was assigned to wipe out a cave with flame throwers, he wouldn’t kill anyone unless they were trying to kill him. In the caves, he couldn’t see who he was killing. He said he wound up killing 7 North Vietnamese in kill-or-be-killed situations.

    During WW II, the vast majority of soldiers in combat never fired their rifles. The military has spent all their time since the end of WW II finding psychology tricks to get more soldiers actually firing their weapons.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    To that end I did a Google search and lots of sites will tell you the basic requirements for selection, but they don't go very far into the exact psychological profile that they are looking for. I think the military relies on a combination of suitable individuals being among those that do apply, the high physical fitness and eyesight requirements, and a reasonable past success on the rifle range. The training has a high washout rate and I think the successful individuals then go into the field where those who thought they had what it takes but don't are quietly reassigned.

    I have been told several times that an avid interest in hunting and having successfully done it as a teenager pre-enlistment is looked very favorably on. I was more interested in gunsmithing than actually hunting as a kid and while I will blast varmints on occasion have no interest in deer or duck hunting. I'll bag a rabbit or squirrel for the stew pot but am not at all motivated to hunt deer or anything bigger.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    One of my all time favorite George Orwell anecdotes concerns Orwell's time fighting in the Spanish Civil War.

    Orwell had a fascist soldier in a trench a few hundred yards distant within his gun sight, but the fascist revealed himself to be 'running away holding a pair of trousers in his hands'.

    Something about 'holding the trousers' and the mental associations it conjured up in Orwell's mind prevented Orwell from squeezing the trigger.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember an article years ago in the Washington Post, of all places, about the training of Marine snipers. The official concerned with selection said that the trait he valued most was patience. Although a lot of popular press talks about the necessity of being a "killer," a lot of being a sniper is simply waiting to take the right shot. You don't want to give away your position for a low-value target. So the ability to wait until a target of sufficiently high value presents itself, or to simply decline to take any shots at all on low-value targets, was the trait that this official prized highest.

    This is wny I take sniper "body counts" with a grain of salt. Killing one major, or forward observer, may be more worthwhile than killing a dozen ordinary infantrymen.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    , @Sean
    @Steve Sailer

    My dad knew a lot of guys who were in WW2. One recalled he was doing well in a regimental shootng competion, until an offficer privately cautioned him that they were looking for snipers. Most of the winners did not come back.

    S.L.A. Marshall lied. No problem killing. Those who were tardy in surendering and inflicted casualties got it as did anyone in an SS uniform. That was face to face agaist unarmed men. Of course not everyone is suitable for combat, and shooting to kill aganst other armed troops exposes you more.

  164. @Jack D
    @Craig Nelsen

    What is being described in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 was not uniquely Jewish but was pretty much standard practice in the ancient world (and in fact up to near-modern times). In fact God (or the authors of Deuteronomy are offering moral instruction which is supposed to be an IMPROVEMENT on barbarian practices - if you besiege a city you are supposed to offer them peace first and if they surrender then you are obligated NOT to kill all the men.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    What is being described in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 was not uniquely Jewish but was pretty much standard practice in the ancient world (and in fact up to near-modern times).

    Right. The Yanmaya or whatever weren’t special in that regard. One ancient invader–one of the Persians, I think–if a city resisted, he would lay siege, then, when the city fell, he would hold a public spectacle in which the local king would be killed, but, first, his children would be killed in front of him. You can see the wisdom of that. As word spread of this deed, the next king is going to a lot more tempted to offer no resistance–just pay the protection money. Moreover, even if he wants to resist, since the other men in his city don’t have all that much to lose, they aren’t going to be as willing to go to the mat to repel the invader. The elites have always and everywhere been sell-outs, apparently.

    There are some striking things about the Jewish founding documents, though. In addition to their god commanding them, as aggressors, explicitly to offer their victims a choice between death and slavery, they are commanded to kill and enslave people who are far distant. That isn’t about breathing space, or even preemptive homeland security.

    Then there is stuff like this from Deuteronomy 15:6 commanding Jews to rule the world through the banking system:

    For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.

    There are commands to free Hebrew debtors and slaves, but not foreigners (slavery! racism!) and so on and so forth. The real question is whether you are right that this was common practice back then and there was nothing particularly special about the Jews in that regard, and, anyway, it’s all in the past.

    But is it? The Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank owned by five Jewish families, I’m told, which loans money to our treasury by adding a few zeros to a ledger (“the filthy nothing inside”, as Robinson Jeffers called it) on which we pay interest with sweat equity. During the mortgage crisis of 2008, 20 million American families lost their homes, that is to say, they had all the wealth they’d accumulated stripped out of their lives, with the resulting catastrophes like divorce, suicide, addiction, and so on that go with losing your home. Then our government sent THE BANKERS (not the people who lost their homes) trillions of dollars in a “bail out” on which the people who lost their homes are now forced to pay the interest.

    Tell me we’re not enslaved.

    But, at least we didn’t resist, like the Russians and Germans!

    The land promised to the ancient Jews by their god is the area we know today as Palestine, Syria, and Iraq. Now, of course, Palestine is called Israel, and the men in Iraq and Syria are being put to the sword (by us!) even as we speak.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Craig Nelsen


    The land promised to the ancient Jews by their god is the area we know today as Palestine, Syria, and Iraq.
     
    Plus eastern Egypt , southern Lebanon, all of Jordan and part of Saudi Arabia.
    , @Anonymous
    @Craig Nelsen


    they are commanded to kill and enslave people who are far distant. That isn’t about breathing space, or even preemptive homeland security.
     
    What is it about then?

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

  165. @Craig Nelsen
    @ben tillman

    Several reasons, I suppose. One, the cause of action concerned a Missouri project, and that's where the damage was done. Two, I had to do this en forma pauperis, so I didn't have the luxury of an option, and pro se, so I wouldn't have known to even if I had had the option.

    As for the race of the jury members, there are lots of blacks who don't celebrate when harm comes to whites, just like there are lots of whites who don't celebrate when harm comes to blacks. My co-plaintiff is black (the SPLC opposes justice raining down like mighty waters on him, by the way).

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/2019-02-05-press_release_html_11926fde.jpg

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal, @Don't Look at Me, @ben tillman

    It is my experience that there are a certain number of African Americans who have a very good bullsh!+ detector when dealing with white folks. Not all, but quite a few.

    Many can tell if you are genuinely comfortable in their presence. They often distrust the SJW liberals who, as the saying goes, like blacks in theory but don’t like blacks as individuals.

    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

    That would seem to be a survival skill.

    I personally am pretty far left and am open to treating people of all kinds as individuals. I don’t get politically correct, but then why should I? Real friends don’t walk on eggshells around each other.

    • Agree: Desiderius
    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @Paleo Liberal

    Lexington, Missouri, where we had the opportunity to open our boxing club, is the county seat of Lafayette County. It sits on the Missouri River about 45 minutes downstream from Kansas City. It has a population of about 4,700, with African-Americans making up a little over 8 percent of that.

    A Facebook group called Lexington Bulletin Board was very popular in the town. It had almost the same number of members as the town had population. When a local woman named Deborah Starke Bulloc discovered and posted an old SPLC smear of me from 20 years ago on the Lex Bulletin Brd, it became the center of a huge controversy, eventually drawing TV coverage from Kansas City.

    About two weeks after she posted the SPLC piece, there was a Planning and Zoning meeting before which I was supposed to appear to get permission to open the boxing club--just like any new business. With the spiraling hysteria in the town and on Facebook, however, by the time the meeting rolled around, the venue had been moved from where they normally had Planning and Zoning meetings--around a table in a small room in the basement of the City Hall--across the street to the Lexington Auditorium. On a night temperatures dropped below zero in Lexington, Missouri, the local Planning and Zoning meeting drew the largest crowd anyone could remember ever seeing at the (quite beautiful) Lex--complete with police directing traffic outside (and providing me and Sherman a security detail).

    So, you know this is not going to be a serious planning and zoning meeting. There was a line of people waiting to come up and "ask me a question", which is what they called reading prepared testaments to their hatred of white supremacy, blah, blah, blah. So, in response to the first or second question, I said we had been surprised by the level of opposition to the boxing club, but that the last thing we wanted was to come to a new town and open something the people didn't want, that we'd listened to their concerns, and now had a better idea of what kind of community the people wanted Lexington to be. Responding to community pressure, I said, we had decided not to open the boxing club and were going to open a gay bath house, instead.

    Of course, that got a good laugh, and the rest of the "meeting" was pretty good-natured. Some politicians grandstanded. A bunch of residents publicly avowed their opposition to bigotry. Toward the end, a black lady came to the microphone and said, "I want to know whether you were serious about that gay bath house!" Everybody started to laugh, and she kept going, "because my house is right next door to that building!"

    I leaned into the microphone, "Then you will get half-price on admission!" She laughed and everybody laughed and that was it.

    All in all, pound-for-pound, the whites--particularly the white women--were way, way more vicious than any of the blacks.

    Now, there had been a few blacks on the Lexington Bulletin Board pointing and sputtering and expressing how dropped their jaws were at the idea somebody might be addressing a problem disproportionately affecting white males, and so on the night of the Planning and Zoning Board meeting, there was a sizeable contingent of local blacks there. (One woman noted that this was the only time she could remember blacks and whites in Lexington coming together for the same event, which she memorably attributed to my "divisiveness").

    A few days after that, the SPLC wrote their defamatory piece, which repoisoned the atmosphere and on which I'm suing.

    , @Anonymous
    @Paleo Liberal


    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.
     
    I got along fine with blacks who were fully cognizant of my ideas and sympathies. I didn't talk down to them or mollycoddle them: the one who had a brain I respected as such and the dumbbells I at least treated with courtesy and did not expect of them what I knew they were not capable of.
    , @Pericles
    @Paleo Liberal


    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

     

    That was basically the theme of the movie Get Out, wasn't it?
  166. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    How do militaries go about selecting snipers? Obviously, shooting ability is big, but do they have a problem with some % of good shooters being unable to look somebody in the face through a scope and pull the trigger? Obviously, this is related to the old S.L.A. Marshall controversy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @Sean

    I had a friend who was a Navy Seal in the Vietnam War. I knew the guy in the late 1990s and he still couldn’t sleep in the same bed with his wife because he always woke up screaming.

    He told me he was a trained assassin, and did some truly terrible things he would never talk about.

    He had a really rough childhood growing up. He had tons of anger towards the world. In his opinion, the Navy noticed how angry and disturbed he was and decided he would make a natural born killer.

    OTOH, another friend of mine was a Marine in the Vietnam War. Other than when he was assigned to wipe out a cave with flame throwers, he wouldn’t kill anyone unless they were trying to kill him. In the caves, he couldn’t see who he was killing. He said he wound up killing 7 North Vietnamese in kill-or-be-killed situations.

    During WW II, the vast majority of soldiers in combat never fired their rifles. The military has spent all their time since the end of WW II finding psychology tricks to get more soldiers actually firing their weapons.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Paleo Liberal

    To get through UDT/SEAL training-BUD/S-you need to be a really different kind of person. Anger at the world alone doesn't make it.

    The guys I've met who I know really were on the Teams and saw action have told me that PTSD and the usual complaints of combat vets are minimal problems on the Teams because they are so busy every minute you just didn't have time to think about that stuff. You'd 'killed' "bad guys" in training so many hundreds of times it was no big deal when you did it, especially after a long swim in or the bone jarring cold typical of SDV operations and the subsequent repeat to exfiltrate. And the bad guys were trying really, really hard to kill them too, so it was fair dinkum.

    I never could have got through BUD/S. Not physically and not mentally or emotionally. I'm guessing that the washout rate somewhat accurately reflects that, especially considering you have to be fairly elite physically to even get selected for BUD/S.

  167. @Craig Nelsen
    @Jack D


    What is being described in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 was not uniquely Jewish but was pretty much standard practice in the ancient world (and in fact up to near-modern times).
     
    Right. The Yanmaya or whatever weren't special in that regard. One ancient invader--one of the Persians, I think--if a city resisted, he would lay siege, then, when the city fell, he would hold a public spectacle in which the local king would be killed, but, first, his children would be killed in front of him. You can see the wisdom of that. As word spread of this deed, the next king is going to a lot more tempted to offer no resistance--just pay the protection money. Moreover, even if he wants to resist, since the other men in his city don't have all that much to lose, they aren't going to be as willing to go to the mat to repel the invader. The elites have always and everywhere been sell-outs, apparently.

    There are some striking things about the Jewish founding documents, though. In addition to their god commanding them, as aggressors, explicitly to offer their victims a choice between death and slavery, they are commanded to kill and enslave people who are far distant. That isn't about breathing space, or even preemptive homeland security.

    Then there is stuff like this from Deuteronomy 15:6 commanding Jews to rule the world through the banking system:


    For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.
     
    There are commands to free Hebrew debtors and slaves, but not foreigners (slavery! racism!) and so on and so forth. The real question is whether you are right that this was common practice back then and there was nothing particularly special about the Jews in that regard, and, anyway, it's all in the past.

    But is it? The Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank owned by five Jewish families, I'm told, which loans money to our treasury by adding a few zeros to a ledger ("the filthy nothing inside", as Robinson Jeffers called it) on which we pay interest with sweat equity. During the mortgage crisis of 2008, 20 million American families lost their homes, that is to say, they had all the wealth they'd accumulated stripped out of their lives, with the resulting catastrophes like divorce, suicide, addiction, and so on that go with losing your home. Then our government sent THE BANKERS (not the people who lost their homes) trillions of dollars in a "bail out" on which the people who lost their homes are now forced to pay the interest.

    Tell me we're not enslaved.

    But, at least we didn't resist, like the Russians and Germans!

    The land promised to the ancient Jews by their god is the area we know today as Palestine, Syria, and Iraq. Now, of course, Palestine is called Israel, and the men in Iraq and Syria are being put to the sword (by us!) even as we speak.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous

    The land promised to the ancient Jews by their god is the area we know today as Palestine, Syria, and Iraq.

    Plus eastern Egypt , southern Lebanon, all of Jordan and part of Saudi Arabia.

  168. @Gabe Ruth
    Hats off to whoever it was that called this one here a few weeks ago. Nutritionally rich diet, tall, muscular... meta-dog whistles for privilege. If they can link these cats to blond hair it's over, whitey will no longer have any legitimate claim even to Europe.

    Replies: @Don't Look at Me

    “If they can link these cats to blond hair it’s over, whitey will no longer have any legitimate claim even to Europe.”

    According to Wikipedia, the Yamnaya had dark hair and brown eyes. Skin was a little dark. They would tan easily as opposed to burning. We probably wouldn’t call them white by today’s standards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture
    “The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA studies conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al. (2014) and Mathieson et al. (2015): they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly brown-eyed, dark-haired and had a skin color that was moderately light, though significantly darker than that of the average modern European. Their skin tone had a high propensity to tan and sunburn was minimal. [26][4] Despite their pastoral lifestyle, there was little evidence of lactase persistence.[27] [28]”

  169. @Anonymous
    @Neil Templeton

    Some people are not cut out for killing. If in WWII we had been a nation of vegetarians and suburban isolated kids instead of mainly either inner city or farm kids and if hunting were not the pastime it was (even shooting rats at the dump, city kids did that) we'd have had our asses handed to us. As it was the average US soldier was not up to the Wehrmacht standard, much less the SS or the Finns, but we had enough hardened guys who could and would pull the trigger, and a few were superb.

    Hunting deer and other larger critters desensitizes people to this a little, but still, it's an unusual person who can do what a sniper or a SEAL has to.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Desiderius

    a nation of vegetarians and suburban isolated kids

    #1 unstated reason we’ve been in Afghanistan for a generation and may be there for a few more.

    Green to red (in tooth and claw).

    http://combatobscura.oscilloscope.net/

    • Replies: @Don't Look at Me
    @Desiderius

    Gotta disagree here. I spent decades in the Army, retired about 5 years ago, and I really can't say the soldiers I worked with were especially soft.

    Bottom line is fighting an insurgency on someone else's home territory is just plain hard. It can be done, but conditions have to be right and victory isn't guaranteed by following a play book. All the Taliban had to do was get our home population to become tired of the war, and they would win. Keep showing enough buring HMMWVs and keep killing just enough of us so that it keeps making the news. They didn't have to defeat us on the battlefield, and weren't that great at fighting compared to us.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @dfordoom

  170. @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    It is my experience that there are a certain number of African Americans who have a very good bullsh!+ detector when dealing with white folks. Not all, but quite a few.

    Many can tell if you are genuinely comfortable in their presence. They often distrust the SJW liberals who, as the saying goes, like blacks in theory but don’t like blacks as individuals.

    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

    That would seem to be a survival skill.

    I personally am pretty far left and am open to treating people of all kinds as individuals. I don’t get politically correct, but then why should I? Real friends don’t walk on eggshells around each other.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    Lexington, Missouri, where we had the opportunity to open our boxing club, is the county seat of Lafayette County. It sits on the Missouri River about 45 minutes downstream from Kansas City. It has a population of about 4,700, with African-Americans making up a little over 8 percent of that.

    A Facebook group called Lexington Bulletin Board was very popular in the town. It had almost the same number of members as the town had population. When a local woman named Deborah Starke Bulloc discovered and posted an old SPLC smear of me from 20 years ago on the Lex Bulletin Brd, it became the center of a huge controversy, eventually drawing TV coverage from Kansas City.

    About two weeks after she posted the SPLC piece, there was a Planning and Zoning meeting before which I was supposed to appear to get permission to open the boxing club–just like any new business. With the spiraling hysteria in the town and on Facebook, however, by the time the meeting rolled around, the venue had been moved from where they normally had Planning and Zoning meetings–around a table in a small room in the basement of the City Hall–across the street to the Lexington Auditorium. On a night temperatures dropped below zero in Lexington, Missouri, the local Planning and Zoning meeting drew the largest crowd anyone could remember ever seeing at the (quite beautiful) Lex–complete with police directing traffic outside (and providing me and Sherman a security detail).

    So, you know this is not going to be a serious planning and zoning meeting. There was a line of people waiting to come up and “ask me a question”, which is what they called reading prepared testaments to their hatred of white supremacy, blah, blah, blah. So, in response to the first or second question, I said we had been surprised by the level of opposition to the boxing club, but that the last thing we wanted was to come to a new town and open something the people didn’t want, that we’d listened to their concerns, and now had a better idea of what kind of community the people wanted Lexington to be. Responding to community pressure, I said, we had decided not to open the boxing club and were going to open a gay bath house, instead.

    Of course, that got a good laugh, and the rest of the “meeting” was pretty good-natured. Some politicians grandstanded. A bunch of residents publicly avowed their opposition to bigotry. Toward the end, a black lady came to the microphone and said, “I want to know whether you were serious about that gay bath house!” Everybody started to laugh, and she kept going, “because my house is right next door to that building!”

    I leaned into the microphone, “Then you will get half-price on admission!” She laughed and everybody laughed and that was it.

    All in all, pound-for-pound, the whites–particularly the white women–were way, way more vicious than any of the blacks.

    Now, there had been a few blacks on the Lexington Bulletin Board pointing and sputtering and expressing how dropped their jaws were at the idea somebody might be addressing a problem disproportionately affecting white males, and so on the night of the Planning and Zoning Board meeting, there was a sizeable contingent of local blacks there. (One woman noted that this was the only time she could remember blacks and whites in Lexington coming together for the same event, which she memorably attributed to my “divisiveness”).

    A few days after that, the SPLC wrote their defamatory piece, which repoisoned the atmosphere and on which I’m suing.

  171. @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    Working pro se is very difficult.

    I’ve done several cases that way.

    On one hand it is satisfying to defeat a member of the bar as a pro se litigant.

    On the other hand, these were a few cases in which I made stupid rookie errors a good attorney never would have gotten.

    In my best cases I got a better result than a top attorney thought he could get if he represented me.

    In my worst cases, I snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    One of my all time favorites was a case I took to arbitration so I could represent my wife. I couldn’t do that in court. She was being sued for thousands of dollars. I settled that case. They wound up paying her a few thousand.

    My advice is this:
    If there are settlement talks, don’t get greedy. In one case I turned down a settlement when we were only $500 apart. It turns out I made a mistake with the paperwork and the case was dismissed. I got nothing.

    In another case, they went ballistic after I turned down their settlement offer. I was finally able to get that settled for about double their original offer, which was only 20% of my first offer.

    In a nutshell,

    Working pro se is a TON of work. You either learn the law better than their attorneys or you lose.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Almost Missouri

    It is a ton of work, and I can only imagine the mistakes I’m making, but I feel confident about the case. Right now, we’re waiting for a ruling on their Rule 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. If the Court grants it, I’ll be shocked, first of all,and immediately appeal. But I don’t see that happening, because, at least to my untrained eye, I have a good case.

    When their motion to dismiss is denied, I have a feeling it will suddenly be much easier to find actual legal representation, and from there, it’s off to arbitration. I’m not going to be greedy, but they need to pay. I’m actually worried about that, more than anything, especially given all the turmoil there, so on Friday I filed a motion for a preemptive injunction asking the Court 1) to prevent them moving any more assets out of the country, and 2) to prevent the defendants personally from traveling outside the country until this suit is resolved.

    I appreciate your comments, since you have been down this road a few times.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @Craig Nelsen

    Not "preemptive injunction" -- preliminary injunction

  172. @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag

    The natives made alliances with Cortez only because they couldn't defeat him and it wasn't because of a lack of trying. The natives broke alliances frequently only to come crawling back when Cortez and his men defeated them by using superior tactics in addition to superior weapons.
    Cortez also had a lot of native supporters who were heartily fed up with the Incan death cult and the loss of their sons and daughters to blood thirsty priests. They realized that allying with Cortez could rid them of the priests.
    Cortez also treated the natives as equals and arranged marriages between his men and the natives to strengthen ties between them.
    This is well documented by one of the original conquistadors.
    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=bernal+diaz+del+castillo

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Keypusher

    Your post proves you to be a complete idiot. And, like the other idiots on here, your response is off-topic.

  173. @Bartolo
    @obwandiyag

    I don't mean to humiliate you, obwandiyag, but it has to be said.
    If it was disease alone that granted victory to the Aryans/Yamnaya, how come only the local men were wiped out? Women were immune, maybe? Stop the moralizing ethnic activism and learn to think.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    You humiliate yourself if, like the other imbeciles on here who can’t count to 3, if you can’t see why or how invaders could kill all the surviving men of tribes decimated by disease. What a cretin moron.

  174. @gcochran
    @Anon

    "The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal."

    which is why the Spaniards would routinely win against enormous odds: they were outnumbered 45 to 1 at Cajamarca.

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    Because they had allies and disease on their side idiot.

    • Replies: @Saxon
    @obwandiyag

    It's because they had durable armor, shields, high amounts of training to create shield formations to block all of the arrows and, high quality metal spears that they could put through hundreds of bodies before they had to maintenance them. The guns were rarely used at all because they weren't very good, so the standard tactic they applied was just to form shield formations and block arrows, then advance and stab through the formation at anyone who got close, since their enemies were close to literally naked and had far more primitive weapons with no real training for any kind of organized combat.

    Also the idea that there 100 million+ of these people is insane since they didn't have the level of agricultural technology required to grow and sustain large populations. Most were hunter-gatherers and the ones that weren't didn't have a high level of technology.

  175. You people are unbelievable idiots living in some adolescent dream world. There were 100 million Indians in the New World. Had they not been killed by disease, they would have overrun the whites and blacks like a tidal wave. For your information, the pilgrims settled into an already built and stockaded compound emptied of Indians during their first winter. Emptied by guess what. Disease. Without disease, swim, pilgrim, swim.

    As for weapons, you are so stupid that you don’t know how incredibly fast Indians latched onto guns and horses. Boom–no more weapon superiority. Without disease, and with allies, sure, Cortez might have won for a while. Until millions of Indians turn on him. Carrying guns and riding horses.

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @obwandiyag

    Against my better judgment, I'm going to engage you.

    There are over a billion Muslims in the world. When Israel had us bomb Iraq for them and murder their leader, why didn't millions of Muslims turn on us and overrun us like a tidal wave?

    Right.

    American Indians were even less united and, worse, had no way to post notices. Smoke signals aren't very reliable.

    Replies: @Anon, @obwandiyag

    , @Don't Look at Me
    @obwandiyag

    Not only were the Indians not united, they didn't know who they were fighting and they had no understanding of strategy. Their logistical capabilities were very limited.

    Indian warfare was a series of tactical skirmishes against other indians with no overall strategic goal. They basically killed their enemies whenever they encountered one another. When the Comanche began attacking farms and ranches, killing the men, stealing the children, and raping the women, they had no clue as to what they unleashed. They couldn't understand why we kept pursuing them. They can understand us responding with a punitive strike. But they couldn't fathom how we would develop plans to defeat them completely and then begin executing those plans.

    Tactically they were usually pretty good. But if they killed one of our soldiers, we would just requisition another from back east. But when we killed one of their braves, well, it takes about 20 years to grow a good one.

    And we were constantly making new soldiers. Americans and Texans were very fertile, having four or five kids per family. The Indians' nomadic lifestyle was hard on childbirth so they were never having enough kids. That's one of the reasons they would steal our children. So even without our superior organization and technology, our superior birthrate would have ensured our victory (sound familiar?).

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    , @Keypusher
    @obwandiyag

    No one has a clue how many Indians there were in the Americas in 1492. And that number become a political football.

    I wonder if population genetics can shed any light.

    If you think the acquisition of a few guns put the Indians on an equal footing with whites, you’re hopeless. As it is, 170 Spaniards conquered the Inca Empire. Deal with it.

  176. @Jack D
    @obwandiyag

    These must have been strange diseases that killed only men but left the female line intact.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @obwandiyag

    You are a complete idiot. You can’t understand how invaders could kill the remaining men of tribes decimated by disease. To complicated for your little brain. Easy delivery style.

    • Replies: @res
    @obwandiyag

    Pro tip. When you find yourself calling two of the smartest people commenting here (Greg Cochran and Jack D) idiots, it probably means you are the idiot.

    Replies: @Sean, @obwandiyag

  177. @Anon
    @obwandiyag


    Buried the lede as usual. Read closely: “Decimated by disease.”
     
    I hadn't realized until a few years ago that the Peruvians were in the midst of an epidemic when Pizzaro arrived. That's really the single thing about the Incas that William H. Prescott didn't catch in the 19th century.

    It's amazing how fast disease spread from native to native, without the help of the Europeans. In fact, I read in one book that a pig that escaped and went feral in Florida in the 16th century may well have been responsible for a disease that spread throughout the New World.

    So sure these big strong blonde men who you so strangely seem to admire to excess
     
    In either 1491 or 1493 Charles Mann observed that the Europeans who arrived on the Eastern United States coast were not exactly guaranteed to prevail over the natives (although, long term, Newton and all, the Indians were doomed):

    -- The natives were taller, more muscular, and (pre-epidemics) healthier than the Europeans.

    -- The natives had more climate- and terrain-appropriate clothing and footwear.

    -- The natives had weapons (bows and arrows) that, in their hands, had greater range and accuracy and shorter repeat intervals, and were lighter weight and more portable than the weapons (rifles) of the Europeans, and they were at least as leathal.

    -- The natives knew the territory.

    -- The natives were more numerous.

    Although I shed no tears for North American native peoples, who were the trailer trash of the New World, it's too bad that the Aztec and Incan civilizations were wiped out. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don't think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

    Replies: @wren, @guest, @Desiderius, @gcochran, @Pericles, @obwandiyag

    You are right about everything but the North American Indians’ level of sophistication.

  178. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    @Steve Sailer

    I had a friend who was a Navy Seal in the Vietnam War. I knew the guy in the late 1990s and he still couldn’t sleep in the same bed with his wife because he always woke up screaming.

    He told me he was a trained assassin, and did some truly terrible things he would never talk about.

    He had a really rough childhood growing up. He had tons of anger towards the world. In his opinion, the Navy noticed how angry and disturbed he was and decided he would make a natural born killer.

    OTOH, another friend of mine was a Marine in the Vietnam War. Other than when he was assigned to wipe out a cave with flame throwers, he wouldn’t kill anyone unless they were trying to kill him. In the caves, he couldn’t see who he was killing. He said he wound up killing 7 North Vietnamese in kill-or-be-killed situations.

    During WW II, the vast majority of soldiers in combat never fired their rifles. The military has spent all their time since the end of WW II finding psychology tricks to get more soldiers actually firing their weapons.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    To get through UDT/SEAL training-BUD/S-you need to be a really different kind of person. Anger at the world alone doesn’t make it.

    The guys I’ve met who I know really were on the Teams and saw action have told me that PTSD and the usual complaints of combat vets are minimal problems on the Teams because they are so busy every minute you just didn’t have time to think about that stuff. You’d ‘killed’ “bad guys” in training so many hundreds of times it was no big deal when you did it, especially after a long swim in or the bone jarring cold typical of SDV operations and the subsequent repeat to exfiltrate. And the bad guys were trying really, really hard to kill them too, so it was fair dinkum.

    I never could have got through BUD/S. Not physically and not mentally or emotionally. I’m guessing that the washout rate somewhat accurately reflects that, especially considering you have to be fairly elite physically to even get selected for BUD/S.

  179. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    How do militaries go about selecting snipers? Obviously, shooting ability is big, but do they have a problem with some % of good shooters being unable to look somebody in the face through a scope and pull the trigger? Obviously, this is related to the old S.L.A. Marshall controversy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @Sean

    To that end I did a Google search and lots of sites will tell you the basic requirements for selection, but they don’t go very far into the exact psychological profile that they are looking for. I think the military relies on a combination of suitable individuals being among those that do apply, the high physical fitness and eyesight requirements, and a reasonable past success on the rifle range. The training has a high washout rate and I think the successful individuals then go into the field where those who thought they had what it takes but don’t are quietly reassigned.

    I have been told several times that an avid interest in hunting and having successfully done it as a teenager pre-enlistment is looked very favorably on. I was more interested in gunsmithing than actually hunting as a kid and while I will blast varmints on occasion have no interest in deer or duck hunting. I’ll bag a rabbit or squirrel for the stew pot but am not at all motivated to hunt deer or anything bigger.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    The US military used to use a personality/biographical test as one contribution to selecting officer applicants. Hunting and playing contact sports were looked upon well. The ideal officer candidate tended to be an avid hunter who was captain of his high school football team.

  180. @Craig Nelsen
    @Paleo Liberal

    It is a ton of work, and I can only imagine the mistakes I'm making, but I feel confident about the case. Right now, we're waiting for a ruling on their Rule 12(b)(6) motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. If the Court grants it, I'll be shocked, first of all,and immediately appeal. But I don't see that happening, because, at least to my untrained eye, I have a good case.

    When their motion to dismiss is denied, I have a feeling it will suddenly be much easier to find actual legal representation, and from there, it's off to arbitration. I'm not going to be greedy, but they need to pay. I'm actually worried about that, more than anything, especially given all the turmoil there, so on Friday I filed a motion for a preemptive injunction asking the Court 1) to prevent them moving any more assets out of the country, and 2) to prevent the defendants personally from traveling outside the country until this suit is resolved.

    I appreciate your comments, since you have been down this road a few times.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    Not “preemptive injunction” — preliminary injunction

  181. @Anonymous
    @Steve Sailer

    To that end I did a Google search and lots of sites will tell you the basic requirements for selection, but they don't go very far into the exact psychological profile that they are looking for. I think the military relies on a combination of suitable individuals being among those that do apply, the high physical fitness and eyesight requirements, and a reasonable past success on the rifle range. The training has a high washout rate and I think the successful individuals then go into the field where those who thought they had what it takes but don't are quietly reassigned.

    I have been told several times that an avid interest in hunting and having successfully done it as a teenager pre-enlistment is looked very favorably on. I was more interested in gunsmithing than actually hunting as a kid and while I will blast varmints on occasion have no interest in deer or duck hunting. I'll bag a rabbit or squirrel for the stew pot but am not at all motivated to hunt deer or anything bigger.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    The US military used to use a personality/biographical test as one contribution to selecting officer applicants. Hunting and playing contact sports were looked upon well. The ideal officer candidate tended to be an avid hunter who was captain of his high school football team.

  182. @obwandiyag
    You people are unbelievable idiots living in some adolescent dream world. There were 100 million Indians in the New World. Had they not been killed by disease, they would have overrun the whites and blacks like a tidal wave. For your information, the pilgrims settled into an already built and stockaded compound emptied of Indians during their first winter. Emptied by guess what. Disease. Without disease, swim, pilgrim, swim.

    As for weapons, you are so stupid that you don't know how incredibly fast Indians latched onto guns and horses. Boom--no more weapon superiority. Without disease, and with allies, sure, Cortez might have won for a while. Until millions of Indians turn on him. Carrying guns and riding horses.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Don't Look at Me, @Keypusher

    Against my better judgment, I’m going to engage you.

    There are over a billion Muslims in the world. When Israel had us bomb Iraq for them and murder their leader, why didn’t millions of Muslims turn on us and overrun us like a tidal wave?

    Right.

    American Indians were even less united and, worse, had no way to post notices. Smoke signals aren’t very reliable.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Craig Nelsen


    When Israel had us bomb Iraq for them and murder their leader
     
    Israel bombed Iraq and destroyed their nucleae reactors and killed dozens if their top scientists many years before America bombed Iraq. Iraq did not even fire a single shot in response. Why do you think Israel " had us" bomb Iraq when they have been able to bomb Iraq consequence free for decades ?

    why didn’t millions of Muslims turn on us and overrun us like a tidal wave?
     
    They didn't turn on us because they were already against us as they are against everyone including themselves as prophesied in Genesis. They didn't over run us because they are not capable of doing it.
    , @obwandiyag
    @Craig Nelsen

    And I'm not going to "engage" with you (I'm already engaged, and also know what syntax means) because your response reveals such intellectual inferiority that responding to you would be like responding to a rock.

  183. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:

    Forty per cent of all males had a Y chromosome linked to Yumnaya, indicating after the cultures met, only Yumnaya men were procreating.

    How does that follow? If only Yumnaya were procreating, why did only 40% of all males have a Yumnaya Y chromosome.

  184. @Jack D
    @Sean


    According to her interpretations, gynocentric (or matristic) societies were peaceful, honored women, and espoused economic equality.
     
    This sounds like pure wishful thinking and projection to me. The past is a tabula rasa onto which Gimbutas has projected her fantasies. This has nothing to do with science. I would love to have a time machine whereby we could send Gimbutas back to her prelapsarian paradise and there she would be raped, cruelly tortured and murdered within 24 hours of arriving on the orders of Tribal Leader Ancestral Tina Tchen.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Steve Sailer

    Perhaps, but Gimbutas did get right the big question of where the Indo-Europeans came from.

  185. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Craig Nelsen
    @Jack D


    What is being described in Deuteronomy 20:10-15 was not uniquely Jewish but was pretty much standard practice in the ancient world (and in fact up to near-modern times).
     
    Right. The Yanmaya or whatever weren't special in that regard. One ancient invader--one of the Persians, I think--if a city resisted, he would lay siege, then, when the city fell, he would hold a public spectacle in which the local king would be killed, but, first, his children would be killed in front of him. You can see the wisdom of that. As word spread of this deed, the next king is going to a lot more tempted to offer no resistance--just pay the protection money. Moreover, even if he wants to resist, since the other men in his city don't have all that much to lose, they aren't going to be as willing to go to the mat to repel the invader. The elites have always and everywhere been sell-outs, apparently.

    There are some striking things about the Jewish founding documents, though. In addition to their god commanding them, as aggressors, explicitly to offer their victims a choice between death and slavery, they are commanded to kill and enslave people who are far distant. That isn't about breathing space, or even preemptive homeland security.

    Then there is stuff like this from Deuteronomy 15:6 commanding Jews to rule the world through the banking system:


    For the LORD your God will bless you as he has promised, and you will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. You will rule over many nations but none will rule over you.
     
    There are commands to free Hebrew debtors and slaves, but not foreigners (slavery! racism!) and so on and so forth. The real question is whether you are right that this was common practice back then and there was nothing particularly special about the Jews in that regard, and, anyway, it's all in the past.

    But is it? The Federal Reserve Bank is a private bank owned by five Jewish families, I'm told, which loans money to our treasury by adding a few zeros to a ledger ("the filthy nothing inside", as Robinson Jeffers called it) on which we pay interest with sweat equity. During the mortgage crisis of 2008, 20 million American families lost their homes, that is to say, they had all the wealth they'd accumulated stripped out of their lives, with the resulting catastrophes like divorce, suicide, addiction, and so on that go with losing your home. Then our government sent THE BANKERS (not the people who lost their homes) trillions of dollars in a "bail out" on which the people who lost their homes are now forced to pay the interest.

    Tell me we're not enslaved.

    But, at least we didn't resist, like the Russians and Germans!

    The land promised to the ancient Jews by their god is the area we know today as Palestine, Syria, and Iraq. Now, of course, Palestine is called Israel, and the men in Iraq and Syria are being put to the sword (by us!) even as we speak.

    Replies: @Anon, @Anonymous

    they are commanded to kill and enslave people who are far distant. That isn’t about breathing space, or even preemptive homeland security.

    What is it about then?

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
    @Anonymous

    Just a stab in the dark here, but world domination?

  186. @Anonymous
    @Craig Nelsen


    they are commanded to kill and enslave people who are far distant. That isn’t about breathing space, or even preemptive homeland security.
     
    What is it about then?

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen

    Just a stab in the dark here, but world domination?

  187. Yamnaya (a.k.a., Aryans)

    Stop perpetuating this canard. No one associated with the Yamnaya other than the branch that settled in India called themselves “Arya” (“Aryan” being a 19th century German twist on the word.) You might as well say “Yamnaya (a.k.a. Indians.)

  188. @ben tillman
    @Old Palo Altan

    I admire your spirit. Dum spiro spero.

    Replies: @Old Palo Altan

    … which adage is elaborately carved into the mantelpiece in what was originally the smoking room in the late Victorian house I live in.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Old Palo Altan

    Wonderful!

  189. Anonymous[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sunbeam
    @Wilkey

    "Cheddar Man, found in Britain, dates to about 9,000 years ago, and at least one study showed that about 10% of modern, non-immigrant Britons trace ancestry to the same group of people as Cheddar Man. Interestingly there were several other skeletons found in the same cave that predate Cheddar Man by 5,000 years, and are basically unrelated to modern Britons."

    This can get kind of complicated.

    Look we have been in an ice age for... dunno 20,000+ years now (we are still in one actually).

    Anyway, for a good bit of that, the UK isles were part of "Doggerland" basically. Doggerland refers to the areas currently underwater, around the UK and other western European countries. If you do a data search or just go to the wiki you will find maps and whatnot.

    So basically you could just walk to the UK about 12,000 years ago or so.

    And another thing: there have been several waves of glaciation over this time. Not going to research this to put up links and exact data, but several times over the past 20,000 years the UK has essentially been covered by glaciers or all but some of the southern regions were covered by glaciers.

    So in regards to skeletons even older than Cheddar Man, they probably settled (by walking uphill) the UK during periods when the glaciers receded. And when the glaciers came back, they probably just walked downhill to Doggerland where it was warmer and much nicer actually.

    Until the seas rose and Doggerland was inundated.

    Hmmm, from the wiki page:

    "Doggerland was an area of land, now submerged beneath the southern North Sea, that connected Great Britain to continental Europe. It was flooded by rising sea levels around 6,500–6,200 BC. Geological surveys have suggested that it stretched from Britain's east coast to the Netherlands and the western coasts of Germany and the peninsula of Jutland.[1] It was probably a rich habitat with human habitation in the Mesolithic period,[2] although rising sea levels gradually reduced it to low-lying islands before its final submergence, possibly following a tsunami caused by the Storegga Slide.[3]"

    The UK glaciers receded for good around 8000 BC? Whether "the movements of the peoples" were occuring during this time I do not know, but this... walkability is something you have to consider when talking about this time period.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    ‘Doggerland’ – great name that.

    Doubtless named after the ‘Dogger Bank’ a shallow area of the North Sea off the east coast of England, famed as a fishing ground, and where trawlers regularly pull up elephants’ teeth, mammoth tusks, rhinoceros jawbones etc with their catch.

    ‘Dogger Bank’ – a great tough, mellifluous seafaring word to go with Rockall, Cromarty, Fastnet etc to regular listeners of the BBC Radio 4 ‘shipping forecast’, as read, of course, in ‘BBC English’.

  190. Anonymous[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    How do militaries go about selecting snipers? Obviously, shooting ability is big, but do they have a problem with some % of good shooters being unable to look somebody in the face through a scope and pull the trigger? Obviously, this is related to the old S.L.A. Marshall controversy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @Sean

    One of my all time favorite George Orwell anecdotes concerns Orwell’s time fighting in the Spanish Civil War.

    Orwell had a fascist soldier in a trench a few hundred yards distant within his gun sight, but the fascist revealed himself to be ‘running away holding a pair of trousers in his hands’.

    Something about ‘holding the trousers’ and the mental associations it conjured up in Orwell’s mind prevented Orwell from squeezing the trigger.

  191. @Neil Templeton
    @Pericles

    There are plenty of men who have shot other men, in war, with full approval of their jurisdiction, who hesitated. It is typically not easy for a grown man to take life, especially the life of another man. Some men do not hesitate, but that does not indicate that they are better men.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

    When the well-armed murderous men are moving among you, you better figure something out. No guts, no glory.

  192. @Craig Nelsen
    @ben tillman

    Several reasons, I suppose. One, the cause of action concerned a Missouri project, and that's where the damage was done. Two, I had to do this en forma pauperis, so I didn't have the luxury of an option, and pro se, so I wouldn't have known to even if I had had the option.

    As for the race of the jury members, there are lots of blacks who don't celebrate when harm comes to whites, just like there are lots of whites who don't celebrate when harm comes to blacks. My co-plaintiff is black (the SPLC opposes justice raining down like mighty waters on him, by the way).

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/2019-02-05-press_release_html_11926fde.jpg

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal, @Don't Look at Me, @ben tillman

    I just want to tell you both good luck. We’re all counting on you.

  193. @Desiderius
    @Anonymous


    a nation of vegetarians and suburban isolated kids
     
    #1 unstated reason we've been in Afghanistan for a generation and may be there for a few more.

    Green to red (in tooth and claw).

    http://combatobscura.oscilloscope.net/

    Replies: @Don't Look at Me

    Gotta disagree here. I spent decades in the Army, retired about 5 years ago, and I really can’t say the soldiers I worked with were especially soft.

    Bottom line is fighting an insurgency on someone else’s home territory is just plain hard. It can be done, but conditions have to be right and victory isn’t guaranteed by following a play book. All the Taliban had to do was get our home population to become tired of the war, and they would win. Keep showing enough buring HMMWVs and keep killing just enough of us so that it keeps making the news. They didn’t have to defeat us on the battlefield, and weren’t that great at fighting compared to us.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Don't Look at Me

    You miss my point. I'm in full agreement with you.

    We're in Afghanistan to provide somewhere to harden up entering recruits (green to red). Typical thing that empires do.

    Not passing judgment, just stating what appears to be the facts on the ground.

    , @dfordoom
    @Don't Look at Me


    They didn’t have to defeat us on the battlefield, and weren’t that great at fighting compared to us.
     
    That was pretty much the story of the Vietnam War. The U.S. wasn't defeated on the battlefield, but it was still a total and humiliating U.S. defeat.

    You don't have to win on the battlefield. You have to win the political battles. Americans still think war is about killing people and blowing stuff up because that's how it is in movies and comic books.
  194. @obwandiyag
    You people are unbelievable idiots living in some adolescent dream world. There were 100 million Indians in the New World. Had they not been killed by disease, they would have overrun the whites and blacks like a tidal wave. For your information, the pilgrims settled into an already built and stockaded compound emptied of Indians during their first winter. Emptied by guess what. Disease. Without disease, swim, pilgrim, swim.

    As for weapons, you are so stupid that you don't know how incredibly fast Indians latched onto guns and horses. Boom--no more weapon superiority. Without disease, and with allies, sure, Cortez might have won for a while. Until millions of Indians turn on him. Carrying guns and riding horses.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Don't Look at Me, @Keypusher

    Not only were the Indians not united, they didn’t know who they were fighting and they had no understanding of strategy. Their logistical capabilities were very limited.

    Indian warfare was a series of tactical skirmishes against other indians with no overall strategic goal. They basically killed their enemies whenever they encountered one another. When the Comanche began attacking farms and ranches, killing the men, stealing the children, and raping the women, they had no clue as to what they unleashed. They couldn’t understand why we kept pursuing them. They can understand us responding with a punitive strike. But they couldn’t fathom how we would develop plans to defeat them completely and then begin executing those plans.

    Tactically they were usually pretty good. But if they killed one of our soldiers, we would just requisition another from back east. But when we killed one of their braves, well, it takes about 20 years to grow a good one.

    And we were constantly making new soldiers. Americans and Texans were very fertile, having four or five kids per family. The Indians’ nomadic lifestyle was hard on childbirth so they were never having enough kids. That’s one of the reasons they would steal our children. So even without our superior organization and technology, our superior birthrate would have ensured our victory (sound familiar?).

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    @Don't Look at Me

    My god are you myopic. You know nothing about the current state of the history or the anthropology or the paleontology. Not only that, you can't see around the blinders. I can tell by your tunnelvision braindead DunningKruger response, Your Fatuousness.

  195. • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Rongwrong_/status/1112624775711637504
    Doesn't the word "race" combine the idea of "population" with the idea of "lineage", which the word "population" alone does not do?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/anthropologists-in-their-native-habitat-on-facebook-holding-signs/#comment-1202085

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  196. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @Feryl

    Elvis dyed his hair black:


    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yUwrBdrNGFg/WYgSsjxzvtI/AAAAAAACxVY/nmFuYLau8MkKYrMsHvKPDYHSLdM9HiurQCLcBGAs/s1600/elvis-presley-as-child-6.jpg

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1956.jpg

    http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/followthatdream2.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S. Anonyia

    Did Elvis have African ancestry? Something about his eyes and the upper nose in the frontal photos.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    His mother, Gladys, was I believe of full or partial Amerindian ancestry.
    His father looked rather Anglo/Celtic.

    If he did have black ancestry, he kept quiet about it. Interesting findings released by the genetic testing platform 23 and Me seem to suggest a small but persistent 'African' component in many ostensibly 'white' southern Americans.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  197. Anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles
    @Anon


    I sometimes wonder what would have happened if shiploads of conquistadors and their armies of cousin relatives and on-the-lam Spanish criminals had shown up in Japan. Who would have won? How did Japan rank versus the Aztecs, Mayans, and Inca? Writing and literature was more advanced. In the 16th century, the late Muromachi era, Japan had formidable castles and the warlike shogunate, so I don’t think it would have been a cakewalk for invaders.

     

    The Portuguese arrived in Japan in 1543. The history is interesting.

    Though it's set at a later time, you could also have a look at James Clavell's now somewhat forgotten 80s classic, Shogun.

    Replies: @Anon

    I did get around to reading Shogun a few years ago (I had watched the television miniseries in the 1980s). Of the novel, which I basically liked, my biggest memory is Clavell’s crazy point-of-view changes. He didn’t change character POV chapter to chapter, or after a text break within a chapter. He would suddenly change POV paragraph to paragraph, or even within a paragraph.

    I imagine that his editor thought that the book was interesting, which it was, but that trying to untangle the crazy structure was hopeless, so they put it out as written.

    It really keeps thou on your toes: “Whose dialog is this? Whose thoughts are these?”

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Anon


    my biggest memory is Clavell’s crazy point-of-view changes. He didn’t change character POV chapter to chapter, or after a text break within a chapter. He would suddenly change POV paragraph to paragraph, or even within a paragraph.
     
    Heh, I don't remember it being that crazy but I think the general approach is sometimes called 'omniscient viewpoint' by writers. I checked chapter one of the book, and there is one switch of viewpoint (from Blackthorne to Mura) but it is clearly marked. Perhaps I'll have to re-read it, I do remember it fondly.
  198. @Anonymous
    @obwandiyag

    The natives made alliances with Cortez only because they couldn't defeat him and it wasn't because of a lack of trying. The natives broke alliances frequently only to come crawling back when Cortez and his men defeated them by using superior tactics in addition to superior weapons.
    Cortez also had a lot of native supporters who were heartily fed up with the Incan death cult and the loss of their sons and daughters to blood thirsty priests. They realized that allying with Cortez could rid them of the priests.
    Cortez also treated the natives as equals and arranged marriages between his men and the natives to strengthen ties between them.
    This is well documented by one of the original conquistadors.
    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=bernal+diaz+del+castillo

    Replies: @obwandiyag, @Keypusher

    Cortez conquered the Aztecs. Pizarro conquered the Incas.

  199. @obwandiyag
    You people are unbelievable idiots living in some adolescent dream world. There were 100 million Indians in the New World. Had they not been killed by disease, they would have overrun the whites and blacks like a tidal wave. For your information, the pilgrims settled into an already built and stockaded compound emptied of Indians during their first winter. Emptied by guess what. Disease. Without disease, swim, pilgrim, swim.

    As for weapons, you are so stupid that you don't know how incredibly fast Indians latched onto guns and horses. Boom--no more weapon superiority. Without disease, and with allies, sure, Cortez might have won for a while. Until millions of Indians turn on him. Carrying guns and riding horses.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Don't Look at Me, @Keypusher

    No one has a clue how many Indians there were in the Americas in 1492. And that number become a political football.

    I wonder if population genetics can shed any light.

    If you think the acquisition of a few guns put the Indians on an equal footing with whites, you’re hopeless. As it is, 170 Spaniards conquered the Inca Empire. Deal with it.

  200. @res
    @guest


    In pretend-seriousness, how would one die from a knee injury in less than a day?
     
    Not sure if you are actually looking for a response, but a damaged femoral artery could be much quicker than that.
    https://www.quora.com/How-fast-will-you-bleed-out-if-you-cut-the-main-artery-in-your-leg

    Replies: @Keypusher

    In CS Lewis’ Till We Have Faces the narrator, Queen Orual, kills a man in a duel by cutting his femoral artery.

  201. Anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Craig Nelsen
    @obwandiyag

    Against my better judgment, I'm going to engage you.

    There are over a billion Muslims in the world. When Israel had us bomb Iraq for them and murder their leader, why didn't millions of Muslims turn on us and overrun us like a tidal wave?

    Right.

    American Indians were even less united and, worse, had no way to post notices. Smoke signals aren't very reliable.

    Replies: @Anon, @obwandiyag

    When Israel had us bomb Iraq for them and murder their leader

    Israel bombed Iraq and destroyed their nucleae reactors and killed dozens if their top scientists many years before America bombed Iraq. Iraq did not even fire a single shot in response. Why do you think Israel ” had us” bomb Iraq when they have been able to bomb Iraq consequence free for decades ?

    why didn’t millions of Muslims turn on us and overrun us like a tidal wave?

    They didn’t turn on us because they were already against us as they are against everyone including themselves as prophesied in Genesis. They didn’t over run us because they are not capable of doing it.

  202. @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    Working pro se is very difficult.

    I’ve done several cases that way.

    On one hand it is satisfying to defeat a member of the bar as a pro se litigant.

    On the other hand, these were a few cases in which I made stupid rookie errors a good attorney never would have gotten.

    In my best cases I got a better result than a top attorney thought he could get if he represented me.

    In my worst cases, I snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

    One of my all time favorites was a case I took to arbitration so I could represent my wife. I couldn’t do that in court. She was being sued for thousands of dollars. I settled that case. They wound up paying her a few thousand.

    My advice is this:
    If there are settlement talks, don’t get greedy. In one case I turned down a settlement when we were only $500 apart. It turns out I made a mistake with the paperwork and the case was dismissed. I got nothing.

    In another case, they went ballistic after I turned down their settlement offer. I was finally able to get that settled for about double their original offer, which was only 20% of my first offer.

    In a nutshell,

    Working pro se is a TON of work. You either learn the law better than their attorneys or you lose.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Almost Missouri

    How do you get into so much litigation?

    • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    I got wiped out in the Great Recession. I had some rental properties I lost, and I had more unsecured debt than I could pay off in a lifetime.

    The banks had rigged the bankruptcy laws so I couldn’t go that route.

    So I found their mistakes. Stuff the banks did to screw over their customers came back to bite them back. Hard.

    I paid off my USAA card in full, but that took many years.

    I paid off or settled some low balance cards.

    The rest of it, I fought hard. And won.

    If they used illegal debt collection tactics, I fought back. If their records were screwed up, I fought back.

    And, I went after the attorneys as well, since the attorneys often broke the law in the way they ha does the cases. That didn’t always work, but sometimes it did, and it made the attorneys scared to go after me.

    Here is one true story.

    We lost our phone service because the cell tower burned down. In order to get a new phone quickly, we had to change our number. Which meant a well known credit card company was upset when they tried to call, since my wife was behind in the payments. They wanted to track her down, and they illegally sent my wife a letter claiming she was making an unusual number of charges on her card, so she would contact them to find out why.

    I typed up a reply letter from her, which we sent certified mail return receipt requested. In the letter I mentioned the federal statues that they had to investigate on her request, and that she disputed the entire debt until they did an investigation.

    Of course they never investigated. Instead, they sent it to a collection agency. I told the collection agency to pound sand. This continued for a few years, until we got a nasty letter from a lawyer. Trouble is, the lawyer was not licensed to practice in my state. So I took the credit card company and the lawyer to arbitration so I could represent my wife.

    The lawyer ran up some legal bills until they paid off my wife. The credit card company ran up legal and arbitration bills that far exceeded the debt.

    During discovery, I sent the letter to their attorney, along with my wife’s reply, and the card they signed from the USPS to prove they got the letter. I asked their lawyer to explain the letter. He just said “I can’t “.

    After their lawyer saw the illegal letter the credit card company sent my wife, along with her demand for an investigation which never happened, their lawyer convinced the credit card company to walk away from the debt in exchange for my wife dropping her case against them.

    All in all, I walked away with over $100k in canceled debts. I don’t feel guilty, because the credit card companies were lending me money they knew I could never pay off. They would lend me money to pay off my other credit cards, until the amount had ballooned. They rigged the bankruptcy laws so I couldn’t use bankruptcy to get out of the debt anymore.

    So I fought them. And won. Over and over again.

    I paid a steep price in time spent on this, and larger mortgage payments because I couldn’t refinance my home for many years afterwards. But I refused to be a victim to their con jobs.


    The banks learned from their mistakes. It is rare to be able to do what I did anymore. They no longer use the sleazy debt collection offices in Buffalo that got great results with illegal methods. They keep better records now. They changed their contracts to make it harder to hoist them on their own petard.

    But there was a time when the economy crashed and the banks left the little guy holding the bag, and this little guy refused to be their patsy.

    You may or may not like what I did. But I made the business decisions that were best for my family.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  203. @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal

    How do you get into so much litigation?

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal

    I got wiped out in the Great Recession. I had some rental properties I lost, and I had more unsecured debt than I could pay off in a lifetime.

    The banks had rigged the bankruptcy laws so I couldn’t go that route.

    So I found their mistakes. Stuff the banks did to screw over their customers came back to bite them back. Hard.

    I paid off my USAA card in full, but that took many years.

    I paid off or settled some low balance cards.

    The rest of it, I fought hard. And won.

    If they used illegal debt collection tactics, I fought back. If their records were screwed up, I fought back.

    And, I went after the attorneys as well, since the attorneys often broke the law in the way they ha does the cases. That didn’t always work, but sometimes it did, and it made the attorneys scared to go after me.

    Here is one true story.

    We lost our phone service because the cell tower burned down. In order to get a new phone quickly, we had to change our number. Which meant a well known credit card company was upset when they tried to call, since my wife was behind in the payments. They wanted to track her down, and they illegally sent my wife a letter claiming she was making an unusual number of charges on her card, so she would contact them to find out why.

    I typed up a reply letter from her, which we sent certified mail return receipt requested. In the letter I mentioned the federal statues that they had to investigate on her request, and that she disputed the entire debt until they did an investigation.

    Of course they never investigated. Instead, they sent it to a collection agency. I told the collection agency to pound sand. This continued for a few years, until we got a nasty letter from a lawyer. Trouble is, the lawyer was not licensed to practice in my state. So I took the credit card company and the lawyer to arbitration so I could represent my wife.

    The lawyer ran up some legal bills until they paid off my wife. The credit card company ran up legal and arbitration bills that far exceeded the debt.

    During discovery, I sent the letter to their attorney, along with my wife’s reply, and the card they signed from the USPS to prove they got the letter. I asked their lawyer to explain the letter. He just said “I can’t “.

    After their lawyer saw the illegal letter the credit card company sent my wife, along with her demand for an investigation which never happened, their lawyer convinced the credit card company to walk away from the debt in exchange for my wife dropping her case against them.

    All in all, I walked away with over $100k in canceled debts. I don’t feel guilty, because the credit card companies were lending me money they knew I could never pay off. They would lend me money to pay off my other credit cards, until the amount had ballooned. They rigged the bankruptcy laws so I couldn’t use bankruptcy to get out of the debt anymore.

    So I fought them. And won. Over and over again.

    I paid a steep price in time spent on this, and larger mortgage payments because I couldn’t refinance my home for many years afterwards. But I refused to be a victim to their con jobs.

    The banks learned from their mistakes. It is rare to be able to do what I did anymore. They no longer use the sleazy debt collection offices in Buffalo that got great results with illegal methods. They keep better records now. They changed their contracts to make it harder to hoist them on their own petard.

    But there was a time when the economy crashed and the banks left the little guy holding the bag, and this little guy refused to be their patsy.

    You may or may not like what I did. But I made the business decisions that were best for my family.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Paleo Liberal


    "You may or may not like what I did."
     
    No worries. I've been to court with and without a lawyer. Both are very difficult. I admire your tenacity.

    Banks, credit card companies and law firms? Eff 'em.
  204. @El Dato
    @J1234

    But North African means what?

    Replies: @J1234

    But North African means what?

    It means that Hollywood has been given a factual inch that they can stretch into a diversity mile.

  205. @Craig Nelsen
    @obwandiyag

    Against my better judgment, I'm going to engage you.

    There are over a billion Muslims in the world. When Israel had us bomb Iraq for them and murder their leader, why didn't millions of Muslims turn on us and overrun us like a tidal wave?

    Right.

    American Indians were even less united and, worse, had no way to post notices. Smoke signals aren't very reliable.

    Replies: @Anon, @obwandiyag

    And I’m not going to “engage” with you (I’m already engaged, and also know what syntax means) because your response reveals such intellectual inferiority that responding to you would be like responding to a rock.

    • LOL: res
  206. @Neil Templeton
    @Pericles

    There are plenty of men who have shot other men, in war, with full approval of their jurisdiction, who hesitated. It is typically not easy for a grown man to take life, especially the life of another man. Some men do not hesitate, but that does not indicate that they are better men.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Pericles, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Some men do not hesitate, but that does not indicate that they are better men.”

    As General Montgomery observed in Normandy watching the Brits advance against German defenders “the trouble with our British lads is that they are not natural killers“.

  207. @syonredux
    @Feryl

    Elvis dyed his hair black:


    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yUwrBdrNGFg/WYgSsjxzvtI/AAAAAAACxVY/nmFuYLau8MkKYrMsHvKPDYHSLdM9HiurQCLcBGAs/s1600/elvis-presley-as-child-6.jpg

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1956.jpg

    http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/followthatdream2.jpg

    Replies: @Anonymous, @S. Anonyia

    He still isn’t blond other than as a kid. Looks like he dyed his chestnut brown hair black.

  208. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    It is my experience that there are a certain number of African Americans who have a very good bullsh!+ detector when dealing with white folks. Not all, but quite a few.

    Many can tell if you are genuinely comfortable in their presence. They often distrust the SJW liberals who, as the saying goes, like blacks in theory but don’t like blacks as individuals.

    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

    That would seem to be a survival skill.

    I personally am pretty far left and am open to treating people of all kinds as individuals. I don’t get politically correct, but then why should I? Real friends don’t walk on eggshells around each other.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

    I got along fine with blacks who were fully cognizant of my ideas and sympathies. I didn’t talk down to them or mollycoddle them: the one who had a brain I respected as such and the dumbbells I at least treated with courtesy and did not expect of them what I knew they were not capable of.

  209. @Paleo Liberal
    @Digital Samizdat

    That is why the Eastern tribes have very few full-blooded members anymore. The mixed race Indians had at least some resistance to European disease.

    I used to know a woman from an Atlantic coastal tribe that had first contact in the 1600s. Her tribe had exactly zero full blooded Indians remaining.

    Nor were the Americas the only place this happened. The first census of the Kingdom of Hawaii Nei listed 400,000 people, almost all full blooded Hawaiians.

    Less than a century later, the last census listed 40,000 people, the vast majority of whom were Asian, haole or mixed. It didn’t take too long before the full blooded Hawaiians were less than 1% of the population.

    There are only a few very isolated parts of Hawaii with a significant percentage of full blooded Hawaiians. The Island of Niihau, remote parts of eastern Maui near Hana, etc. These are areas with a few hundred full blooded Hawaiians,

    I lived in Hawaii briefly almost 40 years ago. There was a band I really loved to see called the Makaha Sons of Niihau. The leaders of the band were two full blooded native brothers, Skippy and Izzy. Both were at least 6 1/2 ‘ tall, maybe taller. Skippy was about 700 pounds, and died a short time later in his twenties of congestive heart failure. Izzy was only about 400-500 pounds. He later ballooned above 500 pounds and died in his mid 30s of congestive heart failure.

    Replies: @res

    The mixed race Indians had at least some resistance to European disease.

    I wonder how much selection there was on specific HLA antigens. The HLA region of the genome is hard to sequence, but perhaps this can be studied at some point.
    https://www.illumina.com/clinical/hla-sequencing.html

  210. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    How do militaries go about selecting snipers? Obviously, shooting ability is big, but do they have a problem with some % of good shooters being unable to look somebody in the face through a scope and pull the trigger? Obviously, this is related to the old S.L.A. Marshall controversy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @Sean

    I remember an article years ago in the Washington Post, of all places, about the training of Marine snipers. The official concerned with selection said that the trait he valued most was patience. Although a lot of popular press talks about the necessity of being a “killer,” a lot of being a sniper is simply waiting to take the right shot. You don’t want to give away your position for a low-value target. So the ability to wait until a target of sufficiently high value presents itself, or to simply decline to take any shots at all on low-value targets, was the trait that this official prized highest.

    This is wny I take sniper “body counts” with a grain of salt. Killing one major, or forward observer, may be more worthwhile than killing a dozen ordinary infantrymen.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Diversity Heretic

    I read an article over 30 years ago, I believe in the Washington Post, about a first class sniper named Hathcock. He grew up in the southern mountains hunting squirrels and the like, sitting motionless for hours waiting for a shot. Here's a link to his Wiki bio:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic

  211. @Paleo Liberal
    @Almost Missouri

    I got wiped out in the Great Recession. I had some rental properties I lost, and I had more unsecured debt than I could pay off in a lifetime.

    The banks had rigged the bankruptcy laws so I couldn’t go that route.

    So I found their mistakes. Stuff the banks did to screw over their customers came back to bite them back. Hard.

    I paid off my USAA card in full, but that took many years.

    I paid off or settled some low balance cards.

    The rest of it, I fought hard. And won.

    If they used illegal debt collection tactics, I fought back. If their records were screwed up, I fought back.

    And, I went after the attorneys as well, since the attorneys often broke the law in the way they ha does the cases. That didn’t always work, but sometimes it did, and it made the attorneys scared to go after me.

    Here is one true story.

    We lost our phone service because the cell tower burned down. In order to get a new phone quickly, we had to change our number. Which meant a well known credit card company was upset when they tried to call, since my wife was behind in the payments. They wanted to track her down, and they illegally sent my wife a letter claiming she was making an unusual number of charges on her card, so she would contact them to find out why.

    I typed up a reply letter from her, which we sent certified mail return receipt requested. In the letter I mentioned the federal statues that they had to investigate on her request, and that she disputed the entire debt until they did an investigation.

    Of course they never investigated. Instead, they sent it to a collection agency. I told the collection agency to pound sand. This continued for a few years, until we got a nasty letter from a lawyer. Trouble is, the lawyer was not licensed to practice in my state. So I took the credit card company and the lawyer to arbitration so I could represent my wife.

    The lawyer ran up some legal bills until they paid off my wife. The credit card company ran up legal and arbitration bills that far exceeded the debt.

    During discovery, I sent the letter to their attorney, along with my wife’s reply, and the card they signed from the USPS to prove they got the letter. I asked their lawyer to explain the letter. He just said “I can’t “.

    After their lawyer saw the illegal letter the credit card company sent my wife, along with her demand for an investigation which never happened, their lawyer convinced the credit card company to walk away from the debt in exchange for my wife dropping her case against them.

    All in all, I walked away with over $100k in canceled debts. I don’t feel guilty, because the credit card companies were lending me money they knew I could never pay off. They would lend me money to pay off my other credit cards, until the amount had ballooned. They rigged the bankruptcy laws so I couldn’t use bankruptcy to get out of the debt anymore.

    So I fought them. And won. Over and over again.

    I paid a steep price in time spent on this, and larger mortgage payments because I couldn’t refinance my home for many years afterwards. But I refused to be a victim to their con jobs.


    The banks learned from their mistakes. It is rare to be able to do what I did anymore. They no longer use the sleazy debt collection offices in Buffalo that got great results with illegal methods. They keep better records now. They changed their contracts to make it harder to hoist them on their own petard.

    But there was a time when the economy crashed and the banks left the little guy holding the bag, and this little guy refused to be their patsy.

    You may or may not like what I did. But I made the business decisions that were best for my family.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    “You may or may not like what I did.”

    No worries. I’ve been to court with and without a lawyer. Both are very difficult. I admire your tenacity.

    Banks, credit card companies and law firms? Eff ’em.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  212. @Diversity Heretic
    @Steve Sailer

    I remember an article years ago in the Washington Post, of all places, about the training of Marine snipers. The official concerned with selection said that the trait he valued most was patience. Although a lot of popular press talks about the necessity of being a "killer," a lot of being a sniper is simply waiting to take the right shot. You don't want to give away your position for a low-value target. So the ability to wait until a target of sufficiently high value presents itself, or to simply decline to take any shots at all on low-value targets, was the trait that this official prized highest.

    This is wny I take sniper "body counts" with a grain of salt. Killing one major, or forward observer, may be more worthwhile than killing a dozen ordinary infantrymen.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    I read an article over 30 years ago, I believe in the Washington Post, about a first class sniper named Hathcock. He grew up in the southern mountains hunting squirrels and the like, sitting motionless for hours waiting for a shot. Here’s a link to his Wiki bio:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Neil Templeton

    Carlos Hathcock is generally considered the finest Marine sniper of all time.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Neil Templeton

    I read a book about Carlos Hathcock many years ago. As a marksman he had the uncanny ability to "dope the wind," to determine how the wind was behaving downrange, and make appropriate windage adjustments. Perhaps his experience hunting honed that ability, although shots at squirrels in a mountain woods are typically at rather short ranges.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

  213. @Don't Look at Me
    @obwandiyag

    Not only were the Indians not united, they didn't know who they were fighting and they had no understanding of strategy. Their logistical capabilities were very limited.

    Indian warfare was a series of tactical skirmishes against other indians with no overall strategic goal. They basically killed their enemies whenever they encountered one another. When the Comanche began attacking farms and ranches, killing the men, stealing the children, and raping the women, they had no clue as to what they unleashed. They couldn't understand why we kept pursuing them. They can understand us responding with a punitive strike. But they couldn't fathom how we would develop plans to defeat them completely and then begin executing those plans.

    Tactically they were usually pretty good. But if they killed one of our soldiers, we would just requisition another from back east. But when we killed one of their braves, well, it takes about 20 years to grow a good one.

    And we were constantly making new soldiers. Americans and Texans were very fertile, having four or five kids per family. The Indians' nomadic lifestyle was hard on childbirth so they were never having enough kids. That's one of the reasons they would steal our children. So even without our superior organization and technology, our superior birthrate would have ensured our victory (sound familiar?).

    Replies: @obwandiyag

    My god are you myopic. You know nothing about the current state of the history or the anthropology or the paleontology. Not only that, you can’t see around the blinders. I can tell by your tunnelvision braindead DunningKruger response, Your Fatuousness.

  214. @Don't Look at Me
    @Desiderius

    Gotta disagree here. I spent decades in the Army, retired about 5 years ago, and I really can't say the soldiers I worked with were especially soft.

    Bottom line is fighting an insurgency on someone else's home territory is just plain hard. It can be done, but conditions have to be right and victory isn't guaranteed by following a play book. All the Taliban had to do was get our home population to become tired of the war, and they would win. Keep showing enough buring HMMWVs and keep killing just enough of us so that it keeps making the news. They didn't have to defeat us on the battlefield, and weren't that great at fighting compared to us.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @dfordoom

    You miss my point. I’m in full agreement with you.

    We’re in Afghanistan to provide somewhere to harden up entering recruits (green to red). Typical thing that empires do.

    Not passing judgment, just stating what appears to be the facts on the ground.

  215. The takehome of this thread is that all you sissies just adore big strong murderers. Wonder why.

  216. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Neil Templeton
    @Diversity Heretic

    I read an article over 30 years ago, I believe in the Washington Post, about a first class sniper named Hathcock. He grew up in the southern mountains hunting squirrels and the like, sitting motionless for hours waiting for a shot. Here's a link to his Wiki bio:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic

    Carlos Hathcock is generally considered the finest Marine sniper of all time.

  217. @Don't Look at Me
    @Desiderius

    Gotta disagree here. I spent decades in the Army, retired about 5 years ago, and I really can't say the soldiers I worked with were especially soft.

    Bottom line is fighting an insurgency on someone else's home territory is just plain hard. It can be done, but conditions have to be right and victory isn't guaranteed by following a play book. All the Taliban had to do was get our home population to become tired of the war, and they would win. Keep showing enough buring HMMWVs and keep killing just enough of us so that it keeps making the news. They didn't have to defeat us on the battlefield, and weren't that great at fighting compared to us.

    Replies: @Desiderius, @dfordoom

    They didn’t have to defeat us on the battlefield, and weren’t that great at fighting compared to us.

    That was pretty much the story of the Vietnam War. The U.S. wasn’t defeated on the battlefield, but it was still a total and humiliating U.S. defeat.

    You don’t have to win on the battlefield. You have to win the political battles. Americans still think war is about killing people and blowing stuff up because that’s how it is in movies and comic books.

  218. Anonymous[371] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @syonredux

    Did Elvis have African ancestry? Something about his eyes and the upper nose in the frontal photos.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    His mother, Gladys, was I believe of full or partial Amerindian ancestry.
    His father looked rather Anglo/Celtic.

    If he did have black ancestry, he kept quiet about it. Interesting findings released by the genetic testing platform 23 and Me seem to suggest a small but persistent ‘African’ component in many ostensibly ‘white’ southern Americans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Anonymous


    His mother, Gladys, was I believe of full or partial Amerindian ancestry.
    His father looked rather Anglo/Celtic.
     
    It is said he also had Jewish ancestry.
  219. @MEH 0910
    https://twitter.com/carlzimmer/status/1111326499184041984

    Replies: @MEH 0910


    Doesn’t the word “race” combine the idea of “population” with the idea of “lineage”, which the word “population” alone does not do?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/anthropologists-in-their-native-habitat-on-facebook-holding-signs/#comment-1202085

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @MEH 0910

    Right, the Census Bureau more or less uses "population" to refer to "residents" and "race" to refer to a lineage.

    Replies: @Desiderius

  220. @MEH 0910
    @MEH 0910

    https://twitter.com/Rongwrong_/status/1112624775711637504
    Doesn't the word "race" combine the idea of "population" with the idea of "lineage", which the word "population" alone does not do?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/anthropologists-in-their-native-habitat-on-facebook-holding-signs/#comment-1202085

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Right, the Census Bureau more or less uses “population” to refer to “residents” and “race” to refer to a lineage.

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @Steve Sailer

    Pretending lineages don't exist = Temporal Chauvinist flavor of the week.

  221. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    @Anonymous

    His mother, Gladys, was I believe of full or partial Amerindian ancestry.
    His father looked rather Anglo/Celtic.

    If he did have black ancestry, he kept quiet about it. Interesting findings released by the genetic testing platform 23 and Me seem to suggest a small but persistent 'African' component in many ostensibly 'white' southern Americans.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    His mother, Gladys, was I believe of full or partial Amerindian ancestry.
    His father looked rather Anglo/Celtic.

    It is said he also had Jewish ancestry.

  222. @obwandiyag
    @gcochran

    Because they had allies and disease on their side idiot.

    Replies: @Saxon

    It’s because they had durable armor, shields, high amounts of training to create shield formations to block all of the arrows and, high quality metal spears that they could put through hundreds of bodies before they had to maintenance them. The guns were rarely used at all because they weren’t very good, so the standard tactic they applied was just to form shield formations and block arrows, then advance and stab through the formation at anyone who got close, since their enemies were close to literally naked and had far more primitive weapons with no real training for any kind of organized combat.

    Also the idea that there 100 million+ of these people is insane since they didn’t have the level of agricultural technology required to grow and sustain large populations. Most were hunter-gatherers and the ones that weren’t didn’t have a high level of technology.

  223. @Neil Templeton
    @Diversity Heretic

    I read an article over 30 years ago, I believe in the Washington Post, about a first class sniper named Hathcock. He grew up in the southern mountains hunting squirrels and the like, sitting motionless for hours waiting for a shot. Here's a link to his Wiki bio:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Hathcock

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic

    I read a book about Carlos Hathcock many years ago. As a marksman he had the uncanny ability to “dope the wind,” to determine how the wind was behaving downrange, and make appropriate windage adjustments. Perhaps his experience hunting honed that ability, although shots at squirrels in a mountain woods are typically at rather short ranges.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Diversity Heretic

    If the stories hold any water at all, he was loaded down with inborn and developed talent. A genius in hunt and kill, and someone you would want on your team. If that was your challenge.

  224. Anonymous [AKA "kpkinsunnyphiladelpha"] says:
    @Anon
    Reich: "Before my book came out I wrote that sniveling, kumbaya race-is-a-social-construct opinion piece for the Times, and my book still got trashed in a we-the-undersigned letter signed by a bunch of dickhead Twitter anthropologists, so fuck it, the gloves are off, I'm publishing anything I 'notice' from now on."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    @7 wrote:

    Reich: “Before my book came out I wrote that sniveling, kumbaya race-is-a-social-construct opinion piece for the Times, and my book still got trashed in a we-the-undersigned letter signed by a bunch of dickhead Twitter anthropologists, so fuck it, the gloves are off, I’m publishing anything I ‘notice’ from now on.”

    Hilarious.

    You know, you just know, that this is what he really thinks, but is too circumspect to utter it. You see it in the sly smile he proffers in his talks, where he can barely contain his enthusiasm for his research.

    David Reich, your classic supersmart Ashkenazi with his effeminate squeaky voice and very very HIGH IQ intellect, along with his team of supersmart Asians and applied math geniuses, are going to (1) destroy the psuedo-sciences of archeology and anthropology; (2) show that European civilization as we know it is due to the much smarter, and more vicious, influx of of the Steppe guys with domesticated horses and the wheel.

    God, I so hope he starts sequencing sub-Saharan ancient genomes, and starts making comparisons to other races — excuse me — other “admixtures.”

    This guy is a major disrupter. His nerdy persona is perfect for the role. He’ll leave the pretenders dismembered in his wake, and appear so reasonable as he does it. It’s gonna be a lot of fun to watch.

  225. @Steve Sailer
    @MEH 0910

    Right, the Census Bureau more or less uses "population" to refer to "residents" and "race" to refer to a lineage.

    Replies: @Desiderius

    Pretending lineages don’t exist = Temporal Chauvinist flavor of the week.

  226. Yamnaya people dominated Europe from between 5,000 and 4,000 years ago
    They had nutritionally rich diets and were tall, muscular and skilled horse riders
    It is believed they exploited a continent recovering from disease and death
    They spread rapidly, adapting and massacring their way throughout Europe

    Hmmmm, kinda sounds like the “Dothraki” from Game of Thrones

  227. @Diversity Heretic
    @Neil Templeton

    I read a book about Carlos Hathcock many years ago. As a marksman he had the uncanny ability to "dope the wind," to determine how the wind was behaving downrange, and make appropriate windage adjustments. Perhaps his experience hunting honed that ability, although shots at squirrels in a mountain woods are typically at rather short ranges.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    If the stories hold any water at all, he was loaded down with inborn and developed talent. A genius in hunt and kill, and someone you would want on your team. If that was your challenge.

  228. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    How do militaries go about selecting snipers? Obviously, shooting ability is big, but do they have a problem with some % of good shooters being unable to look somebody in the face through a scope and pull the trigger? Obviously, this is related to the old S.L.A. Marshall controversy.

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Anonymous, @Anonymous, @Diversity Heretic, @Sean

    My dad knew a lot of guys who were in WW2. One recalled he was doing well in a regimental shootng competion, until an offficer privately cautioned him that they were looking for snipers. Most of the winners did not come back.

    S.L.A. Marshall lied. No problem killing. Those who were tardy in surendering and inflicted casualties got it as did anyone in an SS uniform. That was face to face agaist unarmed men. Of course not everyone is suitable for combat, and shooting to kill aganst other armed troops exposes you more.

  229. @Anon
    @Pericles

    I did get around to reading Shogun a few years ago (I had watched the television miniseries in the 1980s). Of the novel, which I basically liked, my biggest memory is Clavell's crazy point-of-view changes. He didn't change character POV chapter to chapter, or after a text break within a chapter. He would suddenly change POV paragraph to paragraph, or even within a paragraph.

    I imagine that his editor thought that the book was interesting, which it was, but that trying to untangle the crazy structure was hopeless, so they put it out as written.

    It really keeps thou on your toes: "Whose dialog is this? Whose thoughts are these?"

    Replies: @Pericles

    my biggest memory is Clavell’s crazy point-of-view changes. He didn’t change character POV chapter to chapter, or after a text break within a chapter. He would suddenly change POV paragraph to paragraph, or even within a paragraph.

    Heh, I don’t remember it being that crazy but I think the general approach is sometimes called ‘omniscient viewpoint’ by writers. I checked chapter one of the book, and there is one switch of viewpoint (from Blackthorne to Mura) but it is clearly marked. Perhaps I’ll have to re-read it, I do remember it fondly.

  230. @Paleo Liberal
    @Craig Nelsen

    It is my experience that there are a certain number of African Americans who have a very good bullsh!+ detector when dealing with white folks. Not all, but quite a few.

    Many can tell if you are genuinely comfortable in their presence. They often distrust the SJW liberals who, as the saying goes, like blacks in theory but don’t like blacks as individuals.

    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

    That would seem to be a survival skill.

    I personally am pretty far left and am open to treating people of all kinds as individuals. I don’t get politically correct, but then why should I? Real friends don’t walk on eggshells around each other.

    Replies: @Craig Nelsen, @Anonymous, @Pericles

    I grew up in the south, and several northern blacks told me they are more comfortable around southern whites, because they know where they stand. Whereas with many northern whites they don’t know if they are dealing with a phony who just wants to seem non-racist.

    That was basically the theme of the movie Get Out, wasn’t it?

  231. @obwandiyag
    @Jack D

    You are a complete idiot. You can't understand how invaders could kill the remaining men of tribes decimated by disease. To complicated for your little brain. Easy delivery style.

    Replies: @res

    Pro tip. When you find yourself calling two of the smartest people commenting here (Greg Cochran and Jack D) idiots, it probably means you are the idiot.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @res

    Well he understand the evolution of virulence, but as I recall Cochran and Harpending's book said the Indo Europeans were a dominant elite not an exterminatory invasion, said milk (lactose tolerance) made them tall, and farmers had superior disease resistance. None of this proved to be a Marija Gimbutas level of prescience. Gimbutas herself was wrong about the origin of war, it existed before the Yamnaya.

    As with so many diseases, the Black Death killed more men than women see here. The populous settlements and crowded buildings of the farmers were ideal for devastating epidemics, and the remnants of the farming population had burnt and abandoned them long before the Beaker-Yamnaya showed up.

    There was an argument about this on West Hunter several years ago and I pointed out that there must be more that horses to give the invaders mobility because as they advanced the density and organisation of farming populations would have made progress too difficult. If now is explained by Kristiansen's hypothesis: if it had not been for the Black Death epidemics in the farming micro-cities, the Yamnaya would have been up against considerable concentrations of more numerous farmers, who could be pretty violent themselves. And the farmers would have the advantage of home and fortifications. The idea of the healthy farming communities of northern Europe (inhabiting the biggest man made structures on Earth at that time)being slaughtered like silly sheep by marauders in animal skins is far fetched.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOBObsPBHw

    , @obwandiyag
    @res

    You are an idiot. Because:
    You are fatuous.

    You condescend to your superiors.

    You don't even understand what I am talking about.

    You call yourself a "professional" blog poster. Cheeziz, get out of your basement once in a while.

  232. @Andrew M
    “Forty per cent of all males had a Y chromosome linked to Yumnaya” ... “no male Neolithic lines survived”.

    Well, which is it? 40% or 100%?

    Replies: @Dutch Boy

    The 40% was of those who had stone age farmer mitochondrial DNA (i.e., were descended in the female line from the people the Yamnaya conquered). There was no Y DNA of the farmers among that group.

  233. @res
    @obwandiyag

    Pro tip. When you find yourself calling two of the smartest people commenting here (Greg Cochran and Jack D) idiots, it probably means you are the idiot.

    Replies: @Sean, @obwandiyag

    Well he understand the evolution of virulence, but as I recall Cochran and Harpending’s book said the Indo Europeans were a dominant elite not an exterminatory invasion, said milk (lactose tolerance) made them tall, and farmers had superior disease resistance. None of this proved to be a Marija Gimbutas level of prescience. Gimbutas herself was wrong about the origin of war, it existed before the Yamnaya.

    As with so many diseases, the Black Death killed more men than women see here. The populous settlements and crowded buildings of the farmers were ideal for devastating epidemics, and the remnants of the farming population had burnt and abandoned them long before the Beaker-Yamnaya showed up.

    There was an argument about this on West Hunter several years ago and I pointed out that there must be more that horses to give the invaders mobility because as they advanced the density and organisation of farming populations would have made progress too difficult. If now is explained by Kristiansen’s hypothesis: if it had not been for the Black Death epidemics in the farming micro-cities, the Yamnaya would have been up against considerable concentrations of more numerous farmers, who could be pretty violent themselves. And the farmers would have the advantage of home and fortifications. The idea of the healthy farming communities of northern Europe (inhabiting the biggest man made structures on Earth at that time)being slaughtered like silly sheep by marauders in animal skins is far fetched.

  234. @HA
    @Sean

    "Flat backed head of Ratko Mladic, who is reassuring Muslims, just before the massacre...World Cup Serbian team: average height – 185.6 cm. Tallest in competition,..."

    From what I've seen, Bosnian Muslims are pretty tall, too.

    Your argument might have made sense if the residents of Srebrenica were ethnic Albanians, or Roma, but in fact, they're genetically more or less identical to the Serbs, and that goes for the lack of occipital chignons.

    This was just one group of tall people with flat-backed heads trying to get rid of another.

    Replies: @Sean

    The Bell Beakers were big headed, and if you had to put them into a subrace you would have to call them Dinarids. They got less violent, and as mentioned large brain size is a marker for violent aggression, and this aggression/cranial capacity declined with demestication. Carlton Coon called this process “reduction”. The closest thing to the Bell Beakers in Europe today are the Serbs.

  235. @Old Palo Altan
    @ben tillman

    ... which adage is elaborately carved into the mantelpiece in what was originally the smoking room in the late Victorian house I live in.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    Wonderful!

  236. @Craig Nelsen
    @ben tillman

    Several reasons, I suppose. One, the cause of action concerned a Missouri project, and that's where the damage was done. Two, I had to do this en forma pauperis, so I didn't have the luxury of an option, and pro se, so I wouldn't have known to even if I had had the option.

    As for the race of the jury members, there are lots of blacks who don't celebrate when harm comes to whites, just like there are lots of whites who don't celebrate when harm comes to blacks. My co-plaintiff is black (the SPLC opposes justice raining down like mighty waters on him, by the way).

    https://www.craignelsen.com/nelsen_v_splc/2019-02-05-press_release_html_11926fde.jpg

    Replies: @Paleo Liberal, @Paleo Liberal, @Don't Look at Me, @ben tillman

    I looked at your complaint and didn’t see any quotes of what the SPLC said.

  237. @res
    @obwandiyag

    Pro tip. When you find yourself calling two of the smartest people commenting here (Greg Cochran and Jack D) idiots, it probably means you are the idiot.

    Replies: @Sean, @obwandiyag

    You are an idiot. Because:
    You are fatuous.

    You condescend to your superiors.

    You don’t even understand what I am talking about.

    You call yourself a “professional” blog poster. Cheeziz, get out of your basement once in a while.

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