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From the Los Angeles Times news section:

As monkeypox cases grow, so do fears of a return of gay blame and stigma

Erik Kirschbaum, Henry Chu
Thu, May 26, 2022, 10:04 AM·7 min read

As mysterious cases of a rare and ominously named virus began surfacing in Europe, Germany’s disease control center quickly told people to be on the lookout.

In a May 19 alert, the agency listed telltale symptoms of monkeypox: fever, aches, a rash. Then, in a further comment that set different alarm bells ringing, the bulletin pointedly warned men who have sex with men to “seek immediate medical attention” if they detect signs of the disease.

The singling out has sparked fears that gay and bisexual men, who appear to account for most of Europe’s monkeypox cases so far, are once again in danger of being stigmatized as carriers of an exotic and frightening disease, just as they were during the AIDS crisis.

Nearly 200 confirmed monkeypox cases have been reported in more than 20 countries outside Africa, where the virus is mostly found — including the first likely case in California, in Sacramento County, earlier this week. Although health officials are keeping a close eye on the outbreak, the caseload is minuscule compared with the 528 million coronavirus infections of the COVID-19 pandemic.

But as reports of the disease grab headlines, along with suggestions that the spread could be linked to a huge gay pride event in Spain’s Canary Islands, off the coast of Africa, some LGBTQ people and organizations are bracing for a backlash.

Here in Germany, where the Nazi regime once sent homosexuals to concentration camps, officials say there are already comments online vilifying the gay community, with some calling the virus “gaypox.” A piece of graffiti painted inside a Berlin train read: “HIV and monkeypox = gift to gays.”

… The bulletin put out by the Robert Koch Institute, Germany’s disease control center, has since been retracted, though the institute declined to state why. Some critics say the damage was already done.

“It’s important to pay more attention [to the disease], yes, but it’s a mistake to oversimplify, and, more than anything else, it’s totally wrong to assign any blame,” Tobias Oliveira Weismantel, managing director of the Munich AIDS Hilfe support group, said in an interview. “It’s misguided to attribute it to any particular group.”

A columnist for Der Tagesspiegel newspaper in Berlin was more blunt. The institute’s alert contained “only one sentence that directly addresses one group,” the columnist, Ingo Bach, noted. “For some the message quickly became clear: ‘Only gays get this.’ The threat of stigmatization is strong.”

On Tuesday, German Health Minister Karl Lauterbach tried to clear up misunderstandings about the outbreak, saying at a news conference in Berlin that it was not the start of a new pandemic and that monkeypox was not an ailment that afflicted only gay and bisexual men.

“It’s true that certain homosexual men — for example, sex workers — are now more affected,” said Lauterbach, who had been criticized for earlier singling out men who have “anonymous sex” as being especially at risk. “But the pathogen … can spread to all genders, to children, to adults and to adolescents.”

Gee, thanks, men who have anonymous sex with men, for introducing this infectious disease into circulation in the West in 2022. But don’t mind me! Carry on with your sacred revels. Don’t you even think about easing off on your orgies until this monkeypox thing gets figured out.

The virus, first discovered in 1958 in colonies of monkeys kept for research and in humans in 1970, is spread through close contact with an infected person, which includes sex but is not limited to it. Shared clothing or bedding can also result in transmission, as can, potentially, respiratory droplets.

Most patients recover from the disease on their own, without hospitalization, within two to four weeks of the onset of symptoms. The World Health Organization says that, historically, up to 11% of people with monkeypox have died from it, with the rate higher among children. No deaths have been reported among the current cases.

A German government report to lawmakers this week said four of Germany’s confirmed cases [out of five] were linked to exposure “at party events including on Gran Canaria and in Berlin, where sexual activity took place.” Gran Canaria, or Grand Canary, is one of the Canary Islands.

Lauterbach’s comments on the outbreak reflect the often-tricky position for health officials who want to warn populations that they think are particularly vulnerable to a disease without at the same time demonizing them.

“It’s really important to avoid panic and stigmatization,” said Markus Ulrich, a spokesman for Germany’s Lesbian and Gay Federation. “Yet that’s exactly what a lot of gay men are seeing right now in the language from the health minister and Robert Koch Institute. They need to take a look at how they’re communicating this. They need to enlighten without stigmatizing anyone.”

In the U.S., the Infectious Diseases Society of America and the HIV Medicine Assn. issued a joint statement Thursday condemning the “use of racist and homophobic language” with regard to the monkeypox outbreak.

“As we have repeatedly learned with HIV, substance use disorders, COVID-19 and other diseases, stigmatizing language that casts blame on specific communities undermines disease response and discourages those who need treatment from seeking it,” the statement said, adding: “Monkeypox is spread through close physical contact, and no one community is biologically more at risk than another. Viruses do not recognize global borders or social networks. Stigma has no place in medicine or public health.”

… The care in messaging is important in a country that was long a bastion of ugly intolerance of LGBTQ people. …

The Nazis zealously persecuted gay men, shipping 5,000 to 15,000 to concentration camps, where they were forced to wear pink triangles as part of the camps’ prisoner classification system.

… Cities like Berlin and Cologne are now home to vibrant gay scenes and huge pride celebrations. …

Nonetheless, some worry that the spread of monkeypox could be weaponized by homophobic segments of society.

“The question is whether homosexual and bisexual men will once again have a kind of ‘igitt’ [‘yuck’] label attached to them that will somehow devalue them just like back in the 1980s with AIDS,” wrote Bach, the newspaper columnist. …

Remember, June is Monkeypox Pride Month. Flaunt your pustules!

 
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  1. Dorfbinf says:

    “shipping 5000 to 15000 (gay men) to concentration camps”. With such low numbers as this, the Krauts must have only been locking up the repeat molesters. There really were more LGBTQWERTYs in the SS than in the camps.

    Homosexuals have been riding on the Holocaust train for a long time, without having paid their fare.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Joe Magarac
    , @LondonBob
  2. If monkey pox is exploited as a way to reboot the virus hoax, at least we can actually see monkey pox and it can’t be intentionally confused with a cold, flu, pneumonia, or allergies like the C19 hoax.

    I trust y’all kept your muzzles – you’re gonna be diapering again here right soon.

  3. Scrape says:

    I don’t see how merely pointing out the prevalence of gay men among victims of monkeypox constitutes “blaming” or “stigmatizing” them for this disease. I see it as very relevant public health information.

    If someone points out the relatively high risk blacks are at for getting sickle cell anemia, is that also “stygmatizing”?

  4. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    Based on the mRNA covid vaccines’ lack of success (quadruple vaxxed Stephen Colbert has gotten covid twice in 3 months), I strongly suggest not getting any mRNA monkeypox vax unless you want to aquire monkeypox, numerous times. This may do lasting damage to someone’s complextion. Gays are known for caring about their appearance.

    Alex Berenson, Steve Kirsch, and Dr. Robert Malone all have substacks dealing with how poorly the covid vaxxes have done. The most vaxxed places have the most covid. Natural immunity is best for now.

  5. Charles says:

    We need – we must demand – mandatory condom usage by all men. Are you hetero, married, and completely monogamous? Makes no difference. This will kill two birds with one stone: no monkeypox transmission AND no more children. Look for the jack-booted G-men to be at your door soon checking for compliance.

  6. Bumpkin says:
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    it can’t be intentionally confused with a cold, flu, pneumonia, or allergies like the C19 hoax

    I’m sure the Covid numbers were inflated by such conflation, but if it was a full-on hoax, how do you explain the higher-than-normal “Covid” deaths in places like NYC and Italy? All the doctors were in on it and intentionally killing their flu patients?

    I think Covid has been vastly inflated and the lockdowns likely killed more than the disease, but I can’t go full-on hoax without some evidence of such a massive conspiracy. What convinced you?

  7. Godwins Law strikes again in the above article. If Germany is mentioned in any context, a comparison must be made to the Nazi’s, no matter how spurious.

  8. Wonder who’ll be the Rock Hudson of monkeypox?

    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @Prester John
  9. “so do fears of a return of gay blame and stigma”

    However for life’s failures in all groups the white (and especially white men) blame and stigma is promoted, encouraged and preached at all levels of Politics, academia and throughout society.

  10. “I’ve been stick-me-tized, up the ying-yang! What do I do now, Doc?”

    “Take two bananas and touch your monkey in the morning.”

    – Dr. Dieter Ben-dova*

    .

    * No relation whatsoever to our illustrious commenter Dieter Kief other than a common nationality.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  11. @Achmed E. Newman

    Now’s zee time on Schprochkets when we dance!

  12. In the season finale of Young Sheldon, which aired last Thursday, Sheldon mentioned that he was afraid of catching monkeypox. Considering this show is set 30 years in the past this was prescient. As an aside, Chrome doesn’t consider monkeypox to be a word.

  13. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:

    Ramzan Kadyrov threatens Poland:

    “Putin’s ‘Foot Soldier’ Ramzan Kadyrov Vows to Take Poland ‘in Six Seconds’ After Ukraine ”

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/putins-foot-soldier-ramzan-kadyrov-vows-to-take-poland-in-six-seconds-after-ukraine

    Chechen leader and Putin ally Ramzan Kadyrov claims Russia’s war in Ukraine is already won and Poland is next on the agenda. In his latest propaganda video posted to social media, Kadyrov appeared to try to counter reports of humiliating setbacks and plunging morale among Russian troops. “Ukraine is already a settled issue,” he said. “I am interested in Poland. After Ukraine, if there is a team, we will show what we are capable of in six seconds. Better take your weapons and your mercenaries,” he said, apparently addressing Poland.

  14. Gimeiyo says:

    I think part of how Korea was so successful in tamping down the first corona wave was that they went all-in on absolutely brutal stigmatization, putting out reports that emphasized how the Shincheonji Church of Jesus (where one of the initial superspreader events was traced) was a “cult,” and all its members had to be tracked down and isolated, etc., a message that the international press was all too happy to repeat to the world. Within Korea, isolated outbreaks were reported to the public, without specific individuals identified, but bored people on the internet pooled time and location, etc. information to identify individuals (correctly or incorrectly), who were then held up to ridicule for going to luncheons or having affairs, etc. It wasn’t until the second or third wave was kicked off by a homosexual who spread it at a gay nightclub (when nightclubs weren’t even supposed to be open) that the press did an abrupt about-face and started emphasising the “no stigmatization” message. But I don’t think that message got much traction by then, after they had spent months egging the public on before.

  15. “But don’t mind me!”

    I hope someone here can talk Steve down from his use of an exclamation point and remind him that this yucky disease is primarily affecting the visibly gay. It’s not as if he’s a fan of Broadway musicals or wears black yoga shorts whilst traversing yuppie hiking trails. He’s got nothing to worry about.

    • LOL: AndrewR
  16. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    “you’re gonna be diapering again here real soon”

    I caught chicken pox whilst in my mid 30s. I remember several days of pain but it subsided and eventually the pustules drained into a savory broth.

  17. @Scrape

    Well for all thier faults, blacks don’t contract sckel cell by mock-anal sexual intercourse

  18. “As Monkeypox Cases Grow, So Do Fears of a Return of Gay Blame and Stigma”

    This would make more sense if there actually was gay blame and stigma the first time. All I remember is endless versions of “Whatever is causing AIDS, it is certainly not depraved men endlessly sodomizing each other. Oh and also, gays are the best, most holy people, other than maybe blacks.”

    Not unlike, come to think of it, the Establishment response to Islamic terrorism: “Whatever is causing Islamic terrorism, it certainly isn’t Islam.”

    Intelligent Dasein can add it to his list of Establishment Failures: covid, police protecting criminals and hindering victims, corrupt bank bailouts, the Ukraine War, … and AIDS/monkeypox promotion.

    • Agree: TTSSYF
  19. Anonymous[965] • Disclaimer says:

    It almost seems as if gay promiscuity can serve as a pandemic accelerator. Spread a disease rapidly through a promiscuous demographic, then it can potentially explode in the general population. Of course that never exactly happened with AIDS since that disease was fairly difficult to spread.

    Historically, white society has strongly discouraged (to put it mildly) homosexuality, bisexuality, and miscegenation. Whether or not it was the primary purpose, those attitudes probably kept a lot of venereal diseases from spreading among whites as much as they might have. But of course those are exactly the kinds of barriers the Left is now dedicated to tearing down.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  20. Rob says:

    Gay men’s tendency to sex tourism is a big problem. One African can spread Monkeypox to a dozen men from all over the world in a weekend. They go home, then they spread it to a dozen people. It’s as if people were flown from Wuhan to all over the US after COVID broke out.

    What’s that you say, the US government did fly people from Wuhan to all over the US after COVID broke out? That was amazingly dumb/evil. When the President issues an official “Dizzam, yo! Dat’s a Plague, ninja!” declaration, dual citizens in the plague country should stay there and make their own way through the plague. Mono-nationals should be put up in hotels at taxpayer expense. Seriously, keeping a dozen Chinese-Americans in even fancy-ass hotels would have been cheaper than dealing with COVID.

    [MORE]

    Maybe if dimwits advising the government had known that we could make a vaccine to a new virus in a couple of months*, then government decision-makers would have chosen to have Chinese in Wuhan shelter in place for a couple of months. “Experts” said that a COVID vaccine would take a decade. Perhaps they did not realize that most of the time it takes to get the FDA to approve a new vaccine is not strictly necessary? When a disease is going to kill 1/200 Americans in the next few months, even the FDA might consider that in their risk-benefit calculations?

    *Exceptions are viruses that infect cells necessary for adaptive immunity or are hypervariable. HIV is both, so an AIDS vaccine may never come around as a classic vaccine. I’ll bet HTLV-1 and 2 are hard to create a vaccine for. They infect T cells. Measles, while it zaps antigen-presenting cells, is pretty easy to vaccinate against. This is probably because researchers came up with a vaccine in the “golden age of vaccinology.” This golden age was mostly the work of Maurice Hilleman. He did vaccines the smart way, where you realize that live-attenuated vaccines are the best, so instead of trying fancy-ass DNA manipulation, you grow the virus in a new host or cell culture. In adapting to the new host, it will lose adaptations to the old host. DNA manipulation can contribute, say, to increasing the genetic diversity of regions that are vital to the virus but poorly immunogenic.

    You know how there is no malaria vaccine, well, there is one, but it is 30% or so effective over a few months. Helpful for travelers, but pretty much worthless for Africans. There are a solid half dozen or so veterinary vaccines for protozoan diseases. What do they have in common? They are live-attenuated.

    A couple-three researchers are working on viral vaccines that combine the best of nucleic acid (DNA and RNA) vaccines with the effectiveness of live-attenuated. They take live-attenuated vaccine virus genomes, put them are behind a promoter that works in us, then they grow the promoter-genome combo in a plasmid. They get the plasmid in a bacteria, then they grow the bacteria, which is fast and cheap. They isolate the plasmid. Plasmid DNA is pretty tough, much tougher than RNA or a live virus. Then the vaccinee gets injected with the plasmid. In cells, the promoter kicks in. The live-attenuated virus is “booted” from the plasmid. The virus then works just like the live-attenuated virus it is, so it causes immunity.

    Everyone who is scared of the RNA COVID vaccines. If COVID is still deadly in a few years, when a live-attenuated vaccine is available, please get it. Like the virus itself, it will cause rock-hard gorilla steal natural immunity, but without that pesky 1% chance of death.

  21. @Anon

    “… I strongly suggest not getting any mRNA monkeypox vax ..”

    No need, long ago I received the small pox vaccine which also protects against monkeypox.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  22. epebble says:
    @Anon

    Natural immunity is best for now.

    A note on your training in immunology or general medicine would be helpful when offering medical advice.

    • Disagree: TTSSYF
  23. Alden says:

    Berlin’s been home to a vibrant gay scene for about 300 years. A scene centered around the men of the royal court and the army. As well as ordinary working men’s bars and the numerous parks and woods.

    Let the blacks shoot themselves. Let the gay men infect themselves. If gay men don’t want to be warned about a new disease don’t warn them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  24. Mr. Anon says:

    Can we finally stop stigmatizing drunks for DUI accidents?

  25. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    Alex Berenson, Steve Kirsch, and Dr. Robert Malone all have substacks dealing with how poorly the covid vaxxes have done. The most vaxxed places have the most covid. Natural immunity is best for now.

    Governor Hair-Gel just tested postitive for Corona a mere 10 days after he got his second booster.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/governor-newsom-tests-positive-covid-19

    https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/05/18/governor-newsom-receives-second-booster-dose-urges-eligible-californians-to-get-boosted-and-keep-up-their-guard-against-covid-19/

    Safe. Effective.

    • Thanks: Bubba
  26. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Get ready for symptomless Monkeypox.

    • Replies: @JR Ewing
  27. Homesxuality IS iggit (yuck).
    Always has been
    Always will be

  28. jb says:

    Most patients recover from the disease on their own, without hospitalization, within two to four weeks of the onset of symptoms. The World Health Organization says that, historically, up to 11% of people with monkeypox have died from it, with the rate higher among children.

    Um, isn’t this number worthy of further attention…?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Bill Jones
  29. Then, in a further comment that set different alarm bells ringing, the bulletin pointedly warned men who have sex with men to “seek immediate medical attention” if they detect signs of the disease.

    “Men who have sex with men.” If only someone could come up with a term for such a man. Anyone?

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @New Dealer
  30. Remember Racism is the Real Virus? Meets its new, slightly stupider cousin: Homophobia is the Real STD

    Until enough people have monkeypox that we can go back to lockdowns and mask mandates and brand-new shiny vaccines

  31. AceDeuce says:

    Welp, that marks two global pandemics (that we know of) introduced/spread by rump rangers in the past 40 years.

    Same first warning sign: A pounding sensation in the arse.

    Almost like someone (or Someone) is trying to tell them something.

    Maybe those folks might want to rethink their leisure activities.

    • Replies: @Kylie
    , @anonymous
  32. Anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dorfbinf

    “shipping 5000 to 15000 (gay men) to concentration camps”…. There really were more LGBTQWERTYs in the SS than in the camps.

    A lot of “The Science” is unquantified, but I love these cases where they put numbers in that when scrutinized support the opposite of what they are saying.

    If there were five or six or twelve million killed in camps, whatever the number is, let’s take six, and if three percent of people are gay, then that comes to 18,000. I realize there are problems with this simple a calculation, but as a Fermi estimate it establishes an order of magnitude.

    Remember when there was a rash of suicides at an Apple iPhone factoryin China?n There was a specific number attached to that claim, and I checked on that, the rate was really low when you took the city-sized population of the giant factory into account. All these numbers, like factory employees, suicide rates, etc., are in Wikipedia.

    Did you read the BBC blockbuster about Uyghur persecution? There were all kinds of holes in that. I’m not saying there is noting to criticize about the Chinese treatment of Uyghurs, but the BBC data leak was a nothingburger. They hyped it way beyond what they had. They received 5,000 mug shots and 18,000 detainment reports. Is that a lot or not many? Who knows? And how many years do those numbers cover?

    For starters, NYC has 36,000 cops. Let’s say 10,000 are on the streets and the rest are paper pushers. Let’s say these 10,000 are in pairs and work 200 days a year, and detain or arrest one person every other day. That’s 50,000 in a single year. Again, just a sloppy computation, but we need a lot more information to be able to interpret “FIVE THOUSAND!!!” and “EIGHTEEN THOUSAND!!!” as weirdly large numbers. Another BBC release: the angelic, Trayonesque mug shot of a 15 year old. My heart breaks! Come on, there are lots of violent young teens arrested in New York every week.

    Wikipedia has several “rest of the story” articles on the Uyghurs. Again, not defending China, but they have an Islamic extremism and terrorism problem and cross-border travel to Koran schools by kids. If anything they seem to suppress news of terrorism attacks, making it hard for Western media to know how bad the problem is.

    The BBC claimed there is forced IUDs, forced abortions, and forced sterilization of Uyghur women with more than three kids. Why force IUDs if you are doing sterilization? That pricked my ears up and I turned to Wikipedia. It turns out these policies applied to all Chinese (mostly with exemptions for, apparently non-Uyghur, minorities) until just 10 months ago, July 2021, subsequent to the BBC data. It was previously 2 kids, then 1 kid, then before that in the early seventies, 2 kids. If your neighbors fink on you, you got a visit from the authorities. Pregnant with a fourth kid? You may be looking at a forced abortion and sterilization. I don’t agree with it, but the BBC is full of bullshit in the way they report it.

  33. @Ghost of Bull Moose

    “Men who have sex with men.” If only someone could come up with a term for such a man. Anyone?

    People who ejaculate who ejaculate with people who ejaculate?

    • LOL: James N. Kennett
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Mr. Anon
  34. ‘…Gee, thanks, men who have anonymous sex with men, for introducing this infectious disease into circulation in the West in 2022. But don’t mind me! Carry on with your sacred revels…’

    My impression is that’s how the AIDS epidemic got so out of hand in San Francisco. Hush; you’ll ruin the party.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  35. This year, it also must be celebrated as Monkeypox Month…

    “Monkeypox Month Flying Circus” has a catchy ring to it.

    “It’s really important to avoid panic and stigmatization,” said Markus Ulrich, a spokesman for Germany’s Lesbian and Gay Federation.

    Pronounced “mark us all rich”.

    • LOL: Bubba
  36. @New Dealer

    People who ejaculate who ejaculate with people who ejaculate?

    Come again?

  37. On the positive side, this has given me an opportunity to bring an AIDS joke back from the dead:

    Q: What’s the first indicator that you may have monkeypox?
    A: The pounding sensation in your ass.

    • LOL: AceDeuce
  38. Henry Chu Thu, May 26, 2022, 10:04 AM

    For a second there, I thought Thu was Henry’s last name.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  39. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:

    But the pathogen … can spread to all genders, to children, to adults and to adolescents

    Except that it does not seem to infect them as easily as gays. Less than 2% of infected outside Africa are currently females. In Nigeria, where MPXV is endemic and animal-human transmission is common, adults and males are still 80% of infected.

  40. Mr. Anon says:
    @New Dealer

    People who ejaculate who ejaculate with people who ejaculate?

    Wasn’t that a Barbara Streisand song?

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  41. Anonymous[361] • Disclaimer says:

    Given the relatively low transmissibilty of Monkeypox, the outbreak could be stopped by just asking gays to stop porking strangers for two months.

    Is that really so much to ask?

  42. @jb

    A one out of nine chance of dying would seem kind of concerning.

    • Replies: @Redneck farmer
    , @Altai
  43. Altai says:

    No comment is necessary.

    Monkeypox will just be the start, a new era of almost no condoms used in these subcultures as a result of PrEP along with even greater scale of promiscuity will leave the door wide open.

    It is, of course, perfectly possible to make the argument that ridding the world of HIV is worth some increase in other STDs. But pretending that mass use of PrEP won’t lead to massive risk compensation is another example of the lies our new religion makes people tell. Indeed, it might also be possible to live in a world where we accept that a sexual culture composed entirely of men is both more promiscuous naturally and that maybe it should be shamed or efforts made to control it for it’s excesses due to the biohazard it poses to themselves and others.

    But we don’t seem capable of living in that world right now.

  44. @Charles

    Monkeypox transmission won’t be stopped by condoms, unfortunately.

  45. @Steve Sailer

    “Just the shingles, bro”.

  46. notsaying says:

    Call me crazy but it seems to me the best way to reduce all problems connected with monkeypox outside of Africa is to nip this outbreak in the bud.

    The whole premise of this article is both stupid and disgusting. It is to punish the German health officials for speaking up so quickly and accurately about this outbreak. The goal is to stigmatize them as responsible truth tellers and to make them losers while making all the groups who want medical authorities to self-censor and obscure the truth to the public supposedly to spare the feelings of one particular group winners.

    I say nuts to that.

    Shame on all those who want to cancel people for doing their jobs and putting public health first. We even have US doctors specializing in infectious diseases and HIV jumping on the baloney train and making it clear that their first priority is to prove their Woke credentials.

    The sins of the Nazis have nothing whatsoever to do with this. It is the LA Times’ own unoriginal and easy way to further punish the honest Germans and make it clear what will happen to others in the future who don’t toe the line.

    After all these years, HIV is still a mainly gay and drug user disease in the US. That everyone can get it is true but obviously there is more to it than simple biology. Yet our own medical experts put out a deliberately disingenuous statement saying “Monkeypox is spread through close physical contact, and no one community is biologically more at risk than another. Viruses do not recognize global borders or social networks.” That all are at equal risk theoretically does not mean all at equal risk in practical terms.

    If we don’t contain this we may find that unlike AIDS, monkeypox in the US will become more of an equal opportunity disease. But nobody knows that yet. I hope we contain it and never find out.

  47. AceDeuce says:
    @Chris Renner

    Great minds think alike.

    Congrats to you. I posted the same joke but my post is in limbo. The schoolmarm has selective vapors, evidently.

  48. Anon[130] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    quadruple vaxxed Stephen Colbert has gotten covid twice in 3 months

    That’s not how it works. A vaccine doesn’t make you immune from a disease. It decreases your susceptibility to it. Hail-fellow-well-met social types will still eventually get sick unless the incidence in society as a whole lessens, reducing the chances that people you run into have it. The point of vaccines is to, on a statistical basis, reduce the incidence population wide.

    “Stephen Colbert got it” is an anecdote, not evidence. There is numerical evidence on the matter, and there are legitimate (but in my opinion ultimately unconvincing) criticisms of the evidence that the vaccine are only weakly effective, but Stephen Colbert doesn’t figure in those arguments.

    To the guy below, getting Covid 10 days after a shot: RTFM. The material you got with the shot explains that it takes a couple of weeks for your immune system to strengthen, and being diagnosed 10 days later means the guy was exposed to Covid maybe five days after the shot.

    By the way, I am perfectly fine with your not being vaccinated. Follow your bliss. But hit the books if you want to criticize other’s actions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Mike Tre
  49. Lurker says:

    I’m so out of touch that I’m still blaming gays for the AIDS.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  50. @Bubba

    No doubt after being raped in the street by three white guys.

    I was thinking more of the surprise when it became known that Rock Hudson had Aids. Most people really didn’t know that he was gay, and in the Eighties he was still a symbol of old-fashioned masculinity. He’d just been signed up to join the cast of Dynasty as a love interest for Linda Evans.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    , @Corn
  51. Stogumber says:

    Being a German, I didn’t know that the German government was the first one out of Africa to identify the (alleged) danger.
    The most probable reason is that the German government has organized a kind of “security state” around Covid – they have yet to legitimate their trespassing traditional constitutional limits -, and after the disappearance of Covid they don’t want to go back to “limited government”, so they have to find another danger for our health.
    As for the alleged responsibility of gays, it is not yet known to the German public and probably never will be, if not the gay actists themselves make that a public issue.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  52. Altai says:
    @Steve Sailer

    That’s the Congolese variant, the Nigerian variant that is spreading seems to have a fatality rate of 1% but like the Congolese version, is much more severe and more likely to kill children.

    There was last time I checked one child in ICU in London so far. You can imagine an outbreak among children at a school happening pretty easily if one of them is infected and then I suspect the media might change their tune.

    But it should also be said that these fatality figures are from places that have less effective medical systems and less generally healthy people than those in Europe so who knows what the fatality rate in a Western context will be.

    But again medical science has been discovering all kinds of negative effects long term from being infected with supposedly benign pathogens so who knows what the real damage will be. Certainly some people will be pretty badly scarred.

    Fortunately between adult strangers it’s pretty hard to transmit the virus and it only persists in West and Central Africa from direct zoonotic infections from the reservoir species native to those places. Unfortunately a gay Nigerian guy who emigrated to London visited his rural village and brought it back to the one community seemingly capable of keeping it alive through person to person transmission.

    For example, here is a gay cruise that took place recently that also made a big deal of having only 3 covid cases. This disease doesn’t even need sex to spread, look at all those guys with exposed skin packed together, be pretty easy to spread this disease simply by walking through with some sores at the right stage.

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  53. dearieme says:

    The Covid vaxx spike protein buggers up your immune system. So there may be other monkey poxes that’ll come along soon.

  54. TTSSYF says:
    @Bumpkin

    I agree; I don’t think it was a full-on hoax, just grossly exaggerated and exploited for a variety of reasons by the global predators (Dr. Breggin’s term).

  55. JR Ewing says:
    @Yancey Ward

    Get ready for symptomless Monkeypox.

    I believe that’s referred to as being “a-chimp-tomatic”.

  56. Hodag says:

    The current outbreak got kick-started by two gay fetish festivals in Europe.

    So, in her wisdom, the City of Chicago is welcoming Mr. Leather International, the largest gay leather pageant and convention in North America, if not the world.

    There has not been a peep about monkeypox in the press or from our health authorities.

    We are not a serious country.

  57. This blue-checked literally-who? on Twitter with the unlikely name of Yaneer Bar-Yam is convinced that everyone in the world will have monkeypox by Independence Day: https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1529164771609788419

  58. Bill says:
    @Scrape

    There’s nothing wrong with blaming and stigmatizing them.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  59. @Scrape

    I don’t see how merely pointing out the prevalence of gay men among victims of monkeypox constitutes “blaming” or “stigmatizing” them for this disease. I see it as very relevant public health information.

    You are right!

    Just because some ignorant or foolish people will think this means that gay people are having sex with monkeys, it does not mean that relevant information should not be released to the public.

    For example, it is particularly important that gay men are informed that they may be at risk for this disease, and might want to know how to recognize it, and how to seek treatment.

    But this is how it is with any kind of contagious disease these days, because health authorities are so fearful of giving people a sense of false security, that they go to the opposite extreme.

    AIDS was always primarily a disease of gays and junkies, especially so once the donated blood route had been cleaned up.

    Covid-19 has always been a killer for the elderly, the obese, the diabetics, the infirm, the bedridden, and the wheelchair bound, but because it kills some people who don’t fall into those categories, the health authorities want to put the fear of God into everybody.

    Anyway, if you don’t want to get monkeypox, it is probably best to avoid having sex with homosexuals whose health status you do not know. Or with any homosexuals at all for that matter. Yuch!

    I was vaccinated for smallpox when I was a child, but I suppose it must have worn off now, so I will keep my distance from monkeys.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @LondonBob
  60. @Dorfbinf

    Homosexuals have been riding on the Holocaust train for a long time, without having paid their fare.

    It was illegal in the Second Reich, too.
    It continued to be illegal in the Weimar Republic, though selectively enforced.
    Even in the Nazi era it was selectively enforced, as you point out.

    It was also illegal in all the “good guy” WWII countries, since forever.

    Presumably Auschwitz was a worse place to be than Sing Sing, etc.
    In the USSR it meant a trip to the gulag.

    Everybody “lefty” who wasn’t there wants a piece of the Holocaust, it seems.

  61. Bruno says:

    What’s harsh with your analysis to assimilate for a homophile straight married person like me is that it is at the same time hateful against gay and true.

    And I can’t reconcile those contradictory feelings.

    • LOL: al gore rhythms
  62. @Anonymous

    I’m sure we can all believe whatever is in the Daily Beast 😉

  63. JR Ewing says:
    @Anon

    I am not a cell biologist, so maybe there is some sort of messenger RNA strand that could be put into a vaccine and used to create an immune response to Monkeypox, but my understanding is that Orthopox viruses (including Smallpox) are double-strand DNA based rather than RNA based like covid is.

    This would mean that a) human cells can’t replicate it in the same way as with mRNA and b) since there are two copies of every gene, it’s much more stable over time and less likely to mutate. Therefore the smallpox vaccine stays current longer and also has a longer shelf-life. Also, since it’s more stable, it can be used in a more traditional vaccine form containing actual virus particles instead of genetic coding.

    The problem with the mRNA vaccines isn’t necessarily with the vaccine technology itself (although it’s clear it wasn’t ready for prime time), the problem is that the alpha-variant spike protein that it creates has basically short-circuited a lot of people’s immune systems and made them only resistant to the original covid strain and unable to adequately react to new variants (which come more quickly with simpler viruses like coronaviruses). None of the people catching covid over and over again (like Colbert) are catching the original covid, they are catching various sub-variants of Omicron because their bodies are totally unable to mount any kind of defense.

    There are plenty of medical complications that come from the smallpox vaccine, too, but being ineffective against catching smallpox (and monkeypox) is not one of them.

  64. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    The Chechen loyalty to Russia shows the superiority of the Russian way of war when it comes to remodeling a nation’s allegiance. The American establish air superiority and wins by shock and awe precision strikes of high value targets, without much ground fighting. The Russians are set up to operate without air support and their artillery (which is mainly mobile) is all about mass effect. So a Russian attack levels the areas that are being defended, and totally demoralized the resistance. Hence Russia wins real victories inasmuch as the enemy state is zombified.

    Monkeypox is a Russian bioweapon.

    • Replies: @Professional Slav
  65. Sean says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    A virus that increases intelligence, and what else? Cytomegalovirus (CMV) belongs to the herpes family and is spread by contact with bodily fluids. Around 45 to 100% of the population may be infected, although most hosts are unaware that they are infected. It has one of the largest genomes among human viruses, a sign perhaps of its ability to manipulate its host […]

    An association between CMV and IQ has now been found in healthy individuals. A Czech study has shown that IQ, especially verbal IQ, is higher in people with antibodies to CMV. Moreover, the IQ advantage decreases with decreasing levels of CMV antibodies, i.e., with increasing time since the CMV infection (Chvatálova et al. 2022). […]

    If we look at the epidemiological data, we see that male homosexuals are especially susceptible. A study at a venereal disease clinic found that antibodies to CMV were present in 94% of the male homosexual patients and 54% of the male heterosexual patients. “The data suggest that sexual transmission is an important mode of spread of CMV among adults and that homosexual men are at greater risk for CMV infections than are heterosexual men” (Drew et al. 1981). Another study has identified passive anal sex as the most effective means of transmission

  66. JR Ewing says:
    @Altai

    I might end up regretting this, but someone please explain to me the purpose of the thin leather straps that gay men wear around their shoulders? (Usually paired with tight leather briefs)

    Is that just a gay fashion identifier thing or is there a particular purpose for that garment? It seems pretty common when one sees pictures of attendees at specifically gay events.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    , @Joe S.Walker
  67. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @Altai

    last time I checked one child in ICU in London so far

    Something is odd about it. Here is how it was reported: “A child is in intensive care at a London hospital after they were diagnosed with the monkeypox virus”

    Nowhere an age of the child can be found (although some reports state “young child”. And the pronoun?

    I am thus a little skeptical and would like to learn how the child was infected. Surely with the very few cases so far and contact tracing, this is likely known.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @JR Ewing
  68. @Almost Missouri

    This would make more sense if there actually was gay blame and stigma the first time. All I remember is endless versions of “Whatever is causing AIDS, it is certainly not depraved men endlessly sodomizing each other. Oh and also, gays are the best, most holy people, other than maybe blacks.”

    I think there was stigma at the outset – the disease was early identified as “Gay Cancer,” “Gay Plague” and “GRID” (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency).

    As such, normal people didn’t have much fear from it. The government and the Press under pressure from gay activists changed the name of the disease to AIDS and then proceeded to scare middle America into believing that they could get it from normal heterosexual intercourse and emphasize edge cases like Ryan White and Elizabeth Glaser in order to justify enormous research funding for what was and remains a wholly preventable disease. Long story short, now you pay for (via your health insurance which covers) prescriptions for prophylactic pills which cost several thousand dollars a month that allow the patient to indiscriminately cruise bathhouses and not contract HIV.

  69. @Hodag

    The current outbreak got kick-started by two gay fetish festivals in Europe.

    So, in her wisdom, the City of Chicago is welcoming Mr. Leather International, the largest gay leather pageant and convention in North America, if not the world.

    If you will recall, at the outset of COVID-19, several elected members of Federal and State governments encouraged people to patronize festivals and businesses in their local Chinatowns (where one would expect the highest frequency of people who had recently visited China which was the source of the virus) in order to “0vercome stigma” and “banish bigotry.”

    It’s true that we’re not a “serious country” in the sense of being serious about protecting the interests of the country’s citizens and inhabitants, but we’re a deadly serious country when it comes to schoolmarms and nannies enforcing poz.

  70. @Colin Wright

    ‘…Gee, thanks, men who have anonymous sex with men, for introducing this infectious disease into circulation in the West in 2022. But don’t mind me! Carry on with your sacred revels…’

    My impression is that’s how the AIDS epidemic got so out of hand in San Francisco. Hush; you’ll ruin the party.

    There has been an ongoing effort to “rehabilitate” Gaetan Dugas as not at all being the “patient zero” of HIV/AIDS/GRID/gay bowel syndrome.

    True enough. He was the Apple, not the Xerox; the Oreo, not the Hydrox.

  71. @Jonathan Mason

    Anyway, if you don’t want to get monkeypox, it is probably best to avoid having sex with homosexuals whose health status you do not know. Or with any homosexuals at all for that matter. Yuch!

    Only women can “have sex” with male homos. Men are limited to sodomy.

    Or just holding hands.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
  72. @Bumpkin

    1) Solitary confinement + emotional terror of the medically fragile
    2) Killing people with ventilators
    3) Denial of medical treatment because lockdowns
    4) Extreme increase in death following administration of the poison pricks

    The above 100% explains any increased deaths attributed to the coronasniffles.

    It is a hoax front to back, top to bottom.

  73. @International Jew

    Henry Chu Thu, May 26, 2022, 10:04 AM

    For a second there, I thought Thu was Henry’s last name.

    To avoid frequent misspellings, he changed it from Cthulhu.

    • Replies: @Angharad
  74. Angharad says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Don’t insult Cthulhu. Especially by a comparison to a homosexual Asian.

  75. Somewhat OT:

    The good folks at Ramstein Air Base were planning a “Drag Queen Story Time” event for the kiddies. The deplorable right-wing troll Andy Ngo leaked tidings of this joyous occasion, and now it has been cancelled.

    Thanks for ruining everything, Andy Ngo!

    [MORE]

  76. @James B. Shearer

    “… I strongly suggest not getting any mRNA monkeypox vax ..”

    No need, long ago I received the small pox vaccine which also protects against monkeypox.

    The old smallpox vaccine was only really solid for 3-5 year, thus I got a booster when I was around ten before a trip that included Haiti. That said it does seem to provide some long lasting immunity sometimes.

    Talking about mRNA vaccines for these poxes is rank idiocy. We had centuries to derive a suitably attenuated live virus from cowpox, and the current state of the art is to make that non-replication competent (in principle, I don’t know exactly how they did it).

    mRNA vaccines shine when you know roughly what you want to immunize against, for COVID from a decade and a half of research into safe SARS type vaccines, and need to create the exact version of that ASAP, with the bonus it’s an “active” vaccine like attenuated live virus ones. That latter should not be dismissed, the protein plus adjuvant attempts be they big or small pharma have been more than disappointing, although protein without an adjuvant works fine for the flu (although that doesn’t need much longevity).

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    , @MGB
  77. MEH 0910 says:


    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/monkeypox-outbreak-spread-gay-bisexual-men/643122/
    https://archive.ph/NgSBN

    Monkeypox, which is related to smallpox and causes symptoms that include a rash, had not previously been viewed as a sexually transmitted infection, but many people who have contracted the disease recently have exhibited symptoms, such as lesions around the genitals or the anus, consistent with sexual transmission.

    […]
    However, for fear of stirring up animus against gay men, officials today may be underplaying the role of sexual transmission in recent monkeypox cases.

    [MORE]

    https://www.lapl.org/kanopy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanopy

    Kanopy is an on-demand streaming video platform for public libraries and universities that offers films and documentaries.[1] The service is free for users, but content owners and creators are paid on a pay-per-view model by the institution.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  78. @Bumpkin

    it can’t be intentionally confused with a cold, flu, pneumonia, or allergies like the C19 hoax

    I’m sure the Covid numbers were inflated by such conflation….

    I’m not at net because of what you may be alluding to, all cause mortality was significantly in excess of officially scored COVID deaths. Part of that would come from its bad morbidity which in the first VHA data study included for unhospitalized thirty day survivors 8% excess deaths in the following six months. We heard about lots of other types of undercounting, and for that matter early on there weren’t enough tests to waste on dead people.

  79. @Bubba

    Wonder who’ll be the Rock Hudson of monkeypox?

    Jussie Smollett.

    Heh. But there may not be any. Contrary to the blended mortality rate in the media quoted by our host, the West African (WA) clade to which this current outbreak belongs to is associated with prairie dog pet -> humans 2003 US outbreak with no fatalities, consistent with that WA estimate.

    Monkeypox in general and this clade in particular are not good at human to human transmission. What we need to do, which these “gays can do anything they want” groups are fighting, is to minimize the total that get infected. Any one of them might be a breading ground for a better transmissible variant like we saw with the pre-vaccine Alpha and Delta COVID variants which were also serially more lethal.

    Don’t want to raise unwarranted fear, but while the less common smallpox variant Variola minor appears to have also had a <1% fatality rate, Variola major was 30%. On the other hand post-9/11 we got ourselves set up to do mass vaccinations in case anyone introduced smallpox again.

  80. Muggles says:

    From that

    NYT’s

    article:

    The Nazis zealously persecuted gay men, shipping 5,000 to 15,000 to concentration camps, where they were forced to wear pink triangles as part of the camps’ prisoner classification system.

    Here’s a \$100 prize for the first person to post a real photo showing a rainbow colored triangle with a monkey on it all poxxed up, sewn on someone’s shirt.

    Of course maybe those will be sold in gay clubs, who knows?

    The fact that nearly all the few dozen monkeypox victims have been documented to be gay males is beside the point. In WokeVille, no protected category of Official Victims can be ever criticized for anything they may do or uh, catch in a bathroom stall. Criticism = homophobia.

    Infected monkeypox pustules should be worn openly, as a sign of Gay Pride. And if the gay male happens to be Black!, well, even mentioning monkeys in the same paragraph as Brother Rapper McDownLow is a double plus Hate Crime. Just don’t go there…

    Nothing bad ever comes out of Africa, our Times correspondents tell us. Though since they seldom if ever actually go there, it is hard to know how they arrived at that veritable Truth.

  81. @That Would Be Telling

    “… That said it does seem to provide some long lasting immunity sometimes.”

    A paper supporting a long lasting effect can be found here:

    “Vaccinated participants maintained antivaccinia IgG and neutralizing antibody titers above 3 natural logs essentially indefinitely. The absolute titer of antivaccinia antibody was only slightly higher after multiple vaccinations. In 97% of the participants, no decrease in vaccinia-specific antibody titers was noted with age over a follow-up period of up to 88 years. ..”

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  82. Angharad says:

    Homosexuals and other deviants AHOULD be blamed, castigated and SHUNNED.

    • Agree: JR Ewing
  83. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anon

    That’s not how it works. A vaccine doesn’t make you immune from a disease. It decreases your susceptibility to it.

    Apparently, with these mRNA vaccines, not by very much. There are lots of reasons to be skeptical of the mRNA approach. A lot of knowledgeable people have expressed skepticism of it.

    To the guy below, getting Covid 10 days after a shot: RTFM. The material you got with the shot explains that it takes a couple of weeks for your immune system to strengthen, and being diagnosed 10 days later means the guy was exposed to Covid maybe five days after the shot.

    I believe I am that guy (upthread) you are referring to. Evidently, you don’t know the difference between “above” and “below”.

    That wasn’t Newsome’s first shot. It was his fourth.

  84. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Something is odd about it. Here is how it was reported: “A child is in intensive care at a London hospital after they were diagnosed with the monkeypox virus”

    Also, in press reports “child” might mean 17 years old. When people cite statistics about all the “children” killed by gun violence, they include (non-innocent) teen-aged gang-bangers who get killed in ghetto dust-ups.

  85. Mike Tre says:
    @Lurker

    Well the new hotness around UR is that AIDS never existed to begin with!

    • Replies: @Corn
  86. @Altai

    direct zoonotic infections

    Zoönotic and zymotic
    Full of color, self-absorbed
    Tuned and channeled to your pubes
    Quixotic, robotic
    He such a sexy lady
    Built with space age design
    He’s moving grooving dancing to the mucus stop now
    Yeah

    Hypnotic and erotic
    He a dynamite attraction
    At the drop of a coin he comes alive now
    He knows what he’s doing
    He super bad now
    He’s geared to really blow your mind

    Prancing, prancing, prancing
    He’s a prancing machine
    Ah babe
    Do it baby

    For example, here is a gay cruise…

    Don’t be cheeky.

  87. @MEH 0910

    Steve Sailer @Steve_Sailer

    I identify as a Movie-American.

    Film me in…

  88. Mike Tre says:
    @Anon

    “That’s not how it works. A vaccine doesn’t make you immune from a disease. It decreases your susceptibility to it. Hail-fellow-well-met social types will still eventually get sick unless the incidence in society as a whole lessens, reducing the chances that people you run into have it. The point of vaccines is to, on a statistical basis, reduce the incidence population wide.”

    Yeah, we all know how vaccines work, Fauci. But you’re conveniently forgetting how we were all told the mRNA injection actually did, you know, prevent infection of covid:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/17/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-protect-against-infection-transmission/6403678001/

    “There is numerical evidence on the matter, and there are legitimate (but in my opinion ultimately unconvincing) criticisms of the evidence that the vaccine are only weakly effective,”

    That’s because, as illustrated above, you are a true believer in the Kovid Kult. The only evidence that matters to you is the evidence that supports your beliefs.

    “By the way, I am perfectly fine with your not being vaccinated. Follow your bliss. But hit the books if you want to criticize other’s actions.”

    Gee that’s really nice of you. Except that you and your fellow kovid kultists had been attempting to have any non mRNA injected people pretty much removed from public spaces for some time. And as far as “hitting the books,” I’d suggest you stop hitting the pipe. If you haven’t realized that the entire medical industry has permanently discredited itself with the kovid hysteria, then you’re not qualified to have an opinion on the matter.

    • Agree: TTSSYF, Adam Smith
  89. Kylie says:
    @AceDeuce

    “Maybe those folks might want to rethink their leisure activities.”

    As if–! Maybe the general public would rethink its acceptance of those activities if it realized how incredibly (from a straight POC) promiscuous gays can be. Back in the early days of AIDS, the “bathhouses” were made to sound like watery pick-up joints at which two gay men hoping for love might meet. In reality, as I read years later, they were more like factories for assembly-line sex where each gay might have several or more encounters of anonymous sex each visit.

  90. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    “Berlin’s been home to a vibrant gay scene for about 300 years. A scene centered around the men of the royal court and the army. As well as ordinary working men’s bars and the numerous parks and woods.”

    Since the misogynist homosexual Frederick the Great.

  91. @Hodag

    So, in her wisdom, the City of Chicago is welcoming Mr. Leather International, the largest gay leather pageant and convention in North America, if not the world.

    Da Mayor is just thrilled:

    [MORE]

  92. mc23 says:

    Let’s just point out the very real risks of anal sex for carrying and spreading disease. It’s perfectly true. The lower colon is very effective at absorbing viruses , drugs and other material, even alchohol.

    Imagine an ad campaign during Pride Month- “Only a A**hole has unprotected anal sex”. Criminalize it in the name of public safety. It’s sort of like wearing a mask.

  93. You can’t keep far enough away from this stuff. In looking up Dean Obeidallah– who is correct that the Second Amendment didn’t recognize a right for people like him to own or possess firearms– I learned that his father was born an hour’s walk from where Jesus was, as well as where the Warren Cup was found. You can imagine which of the two phenomena Dean is readier to defend.

    For the curious and strong-of-stomach (i.e., NSF🍽), pictures are below the MORE tag.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DeanObeidallah/status/1530724020416561153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    [MORE]


    • Replies: @Stan Adams
  94. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    As such, normal people didn’t have much fear from it. The government and the Press under pressure from gay activists changed the name of the disease to AIDS and then proceeded to scare middle America into believing that they could get it from normal heterosexual intercourse and emphasize edge cases like Ryan White and Elizabeth Glaser in order to justify enormous research funding for what was and remains a wholly preventable disease.

    Straight people also have anal sex. Gays are more inclined to get AIDS because they have more sex. Most straight men would love to have the diversity of partners that gays have, but they can’t. BTW, the fact is that heterosexual intercourse is as dangerous as gay sex. In Africa, the hot point of AIDS, this disease is spread by heterosexual ways.

  95. @Anonymous

    The fact that something has worked throughout all recorded history is no reason not to discontinue it now.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  96. anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
    @AceDeuce

    You don’t understand, man. As the head of NYC’s GMHC once said in the Village Voice, “We’re never going to cure this disease until people understand how important it is for me to have a cock in my ass and another in my mouth.”

  97. @jb

    The number you highlighted isn’t a number.
    UP TO includes an infinity of numbers below that.

    What are you trying to do? Scare little stevie?

  98. MGB says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    mRNA vaccines shine

    What mRNA vaccines have been approved for use besides the covid crap?

  99. JR Ewing says:
    @Anonymous

    I wouldn’t worry too much about any of that story.

    It’s common to use “they” in English for someone of an unknown gender or number. Some people would say that the Queen’s English requires the use of “he”, but it is also appropriate for someone to use “they” when the antecedent is unknown.

    (Unlike weird queer kids who get off on policing your speech – you know who the antecedent is in that case)

    My understanding as well is that kids are especially susceptible to monkeypox for the same reason they are more susceptible to other infections. Lots of close contact with one another, less sanitation with their bodily fluids and putting stuff in their mouth.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  100. @JR Ewing

    It’s a body harness. More elaborate versions are available which strap around the torso and under the crotch, and with different arrangements of studs, rivets, rings to attach various items on to (or to attach the wearer to). There are also similar harnesses for women, which usually strap around the otherwise largely bare breasts.

  101. @Reg Cæsar

    Yikes. That comment contains the most explicitly pornographic material ever posted on iSteve. And here I thought my Lori Lightfoot/Tom of Finland bit was pushing it.

    I will never again feel guilty about posting weird and irrelevant crap … as long as I use the MORE tag. (Don’t worry – I’ll never go that far.)

    Let’s see … is there anything I can think of to top a picture of a statue of a man having carnal relations with a … younger man? (Hope he’s over 18.) Uh … no, nothing that I’m willing to submit.

  102. @Joe S.Walker

    I heard in ninth grade in 1972-73 that Rock Hudson and Jim Nabors were married.

    Roseann Barr has a funny bit about watching “Gomer Pyle” as an adult.

    • Replies: @Joe S.Walker
  103. @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    emphasize edge cases like Ryan White and Elizabeth Glaser

    Don’t forget Magic Johnson. The media hype surrounding that disclosure was relentless.

    Shortly after Johnson admitted that he had been diagnosed with HIV. a Montreal doctor announced that a Canadian woman who died of AIDS claimed to have slept with 50 professional hockey players. This sparked a brief panic in the NHL.

    Nothing ever came of it, AFAIK.

  104. Anonymous[135] • Disclaimer says:
    @JR Ewing

    My understanding as well is that kids are especially susceptible to monkeypox

    Does not match the reality of Nigerian infected being 81% adults. It’s quite possible that the current virus, not really adapted to humans, has hard time infecting people through mucosal surfaces, yet succeeds when it manages to get into the bloodstream. Microcuts, scratches and such.

  105. Elsewhere on the STD front…

    Friend Correcting Mom-to-Be’s Plan To Name Her Baby After an STI Praised

    Almost Heaven, West Virginia…

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Bubba
  106. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    It’s funny because AIDS is precisely how gays became politically dominant. Through probably the most intense and successful propaganda campaign in history AIDS became the gay holocaust. What’s more, the propaganda campaign was a deliberate lie, establishing the model invoked here: everybody’s equally at risk! Don’t look at the sodomites behind the curtain!

    So not only did the majority not blame gays, it elevated them for being especially hard hit by something we all suffered through, like a fire or flood. Genius.

    But I don’t blame gays for visiting an AIDS pandemic on straights–because that never really happened. If HIV does in fact cause AIDS it–somehow–never got far beyond gays, intravenous drug users and the occasional innocent through a blood transfusion. The clock has run out on accountability, but looking back it’s obvious: if HIV had to rely on heterosexuals to transmit it never would have taken off.

    And the we’re all equally at risk lie travels well, and profitably: we could have isolated the vulnerable and warned the fatties regarding Covid, but then we wouldn’t have spent billions jabbing kids as young as five.

    It’s notable that Fauci was instrumental in fashioning that original AIDS narrative.

    • Replies: @Dennis Dale
  107. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Dennis Dale

    Another similarity between the Covid and AIDS narratives: gays who set HIV loose on the population became culturally all-powerful thereby and the pharmaceutical industry that likely set Covid loose on the population via a lab leak made historic profits.

    It’s nice to own the Megaphone.

  108. Dennis Dale says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    We already had that ridiculous conversation. 400 comments and counting, last I looked, and I think our host would just as well not have had most of them.
    Are you a masochist?

  109. LondonBob says:
    @Dorfbinf

    There is the book The Pink Swastika, no doubt they exaggerate but I think there is a strong case for there being a strong homosexual element in the early SA, but I am not an expert in such matters. Certainly marching around and dressing up in uniforms is more appealing to some than others. Homosexuality is also correlated with cruelty so I would expect war criminals to be disproportionately that way inclined.

    The media has gone to extraordinary efforts to portray the homosexual lifestyle as something quite different to the reality, monkeypox is viewed as problematic as it highlights this discrepancy.

    • Replies: @mc23
    , @Art Deco
  110. LondonBob says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55296525

    The blood donation route for AIDS had been cleared up, but the ban on gays donating blood was homophobic so…

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  111. Bruno says:

    Maybe to de-discriminate gays, I should point to you :

    1) that there was an epidemic of Monkeypox in the USA in may and June 2003 mainly among billionnaires :

    they had giant aquarium to watch Prairie dogs (cynonyms) and as rodents are the main vectors, many of them were contaminated. It came from a Prairie dog elite breeder.

    There was also an epidemic of Monkeypox in southern France in 2011 because of white rats owners that all came from the same breeder from Marseille.

    So that’s not the first community spread.

    2) there are as many poxes as there are Coronas …. And monkeypox is not peculiarly monkey related so the AIDS Gorila Monkeypox Monkey sodomites analogy, even if it sounds appealing, is not founded in any serious link

  112. @Bruno

    Yeah, whatever. But the word “monkeypox” is just about the funniest-sounding word ever:

    Monkeypox.

    Can you dig it?

    Monkeypox.

    • Agree: al gore rhythms
    • LOL: Bruno
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  113. @Steve Sailer

    Nonetheless, a lot of people were startled when it came out that Rock had Aids. It was news in a way that, say, Liberace having it wouldn’t have been.

    (Though in the Fifties, Liberace brought a libel action against a British journalist who’d implied – in very insulting terms – that he was homosexual. And he won!)

  114. Sean says:

    Samo Burja
    @SamoBurja
    ·
    May 29
    When it comes to the so-called sexual revolution, pills were central. But not the pill.

    Rather antibiotics made tolerance of promiscuity a viable personal choice and public health policy.

    Samo Burja Retweeted
    Adamas Nemesis
    @AdamasNemesis
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    17h
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    @SamoBurja
    Consider we started seeing sub-replacement birth rates in places like Vienna as early as around 1930; before WWII British demographers predicted the UK population would peak around 1960 and then start to shrink, and there was a lot of talk about how to adapt.

  115. @Scrape

    I don’t see how merely pointing out the prevalence of gay men among victims of monkeypox constitutes “blaming” or “stigmatizing” them for this disease. I see it as very relevant public health information.

    Minoritarianism is a mental disease.

    Not only is this stupid on the “need to know” basis you are offering, there is nothing wrong with “blaming and stigmatizing” people who are behaving poorly.

    Blame and stigma are positive social responses to bad behavior. It is part–along with other positive and negative incentives–for how you try and control/mitigate/fix socially destructive behavior and keep itself healthy.

    This isn’t exactly rocket science. When it comes to some social ill, whether it is criminal activity or “bullying” people are happy to trot out stigma and blame.

    But homos got themselves stamped by minoritarianism as an officially approved “oppressed minority”, so all their socially destructive, disease spreading and disgusting behavior … must be blame and stigma free.

    ~~

    Again unimpeachable game theoretical logic: A society’s core function must be to maintain and reproduce its core productive normies who maintain and reproduce the society. If a society fails to do that … it does not reproduce itself and ergo won’t be around. (All the various randos and parasites and hangers on are irrelevant.)

    Minoritarianism inverts that basic logic and is a recipe not for societal survival, but societal death.

    • Agree: mc23, JR Ewing
  116. Gee, thanks, men who have anonymous sex with men, for introducing this infectious disease into circulation in the West in 2022. But don’t mind me! Carry on with your sacred revels. Don’t you even think about easing off on your orgies until this monkeypox thing gets figured out.

    Homosexuals’ orgies are the one single human activity that must not be locked down.

    Think about that.

    That is your civilization now. Your civilization on minoritarianism.

    Now tell me you really don’t want “separate nations”.

  117. mc23 says:
    @LondonBob

    The head of the Nazi SA, Ernst Röhm, was a known homosexual and he promoted like minded people.
    Röhm was a close friend of Hitler and it led to rumors that Hitler was homosexual.

    • Replies: @Bubba
  118. JR Ewing says:
    @Anonymous

    BTW, the fact is that heterosexual intercourse is as dangerous as gay sex.

    This is totally untrue unless you are speaking only of heterosexual anal sex, which, from the tone of your post doesn’t appear to be the case.

    To be brief in my stating of the obvious, the anus is designed as a one-way exit and forcing it to act bi-directionally causes trauma that damages the body parts in involved, thereby exposing both the pitcher and the catcher to direct contact to each other’s blood, semen, and pathogens in the colon. Disregarding HIV, anal intercourse is still dangerous because of the increased exposure to other blood-borne viruses, parasites, and infections from fecal matter… not to mention the other “danger” of physically scarring the anal tissue and stretching and prolapsing the sphincter.

    Conversely, the vagina is designed to be a two-way passage and has several safeguards that prevent the type of trauma and pathogen mixing that comes from anal intercourse. Young women might bleed from sex when they are first active, but shortly thereafter vaginal intercourse does not cause bleeding hardly at all compared to how common it is during anal intercourse with both sexes.

    Yes, women can catch HIV from men, even through vaginal intercourse, but it’s very difficult for a man to catch HIV from a woman, precisely because vaginal intercourse is not traumatic to the penis and therefore there is less likelihood of open wounds in which to receive the HIV infection.

    So where do the men in Africa catch the HIV that they give to women? They catch it from other men.

    The statement “in Africa HIV is spread via heterosexual ways” is therefore specious. HIV is spread in Africa among bisexual men, who then give it to women who are very unlikely to spread it to other men.

  119. @LondonBob

    The blood donation route for AIDS had been cleared up, but the ban on gays donating blood was homophobic so…

    A ban on male gays and intravenous drug users of either sex donating blood is just common sense*, but how do you tell if someone is gay if they deny it. That’s why all the blood has to be tested anyway, driving up the cost of medical care yet again.

    * If someone was infected, like, yesterday, then perhaps the blood testing would not catch it.

  120. Wielgus says:

    At least in the UK you are banned from donating blood if you take medication. You complete a form and that is one of the questions. Obviously it is possible to lie on the form and perhaps some people do. I cannot recall if the forms ask about sexual behaviour but they do ask about previous illnesses.

  121. Art Deco says:
    @LondonBob

    The Abrams/Lively thesis is that the senior ranks of the Nazi movement were liberally salted with homosexuals of the physical culture / whips-and-leather variety. It was a matter of public record at the time that Ernst Roehm was homosexual. It’s their contention that the abuse of the homosexual population was directed at the more common sort and one promotional organization in particular. It’s also their contention that the abuse of the femme homosexual population was qualitatively different than that of other Nazi targets as fewer than 2% were imprisoned by the regime.

  122. MGB says:

    ‘get your monkey pox off me, you damn dirty ape’. there’s always a fictional narrative. my daughter read ‘the hot zone’ or whatever it was, in HS, an ostensibly non-fiction account of ebola, and there are entire pages of preston’s fevered imagination written as history. you can pin it on the exploits of politicians and the lugen press, but it couldn’t be done without the connivance of ‘scientists’.

  123. A German government report to lawmakers this week said four of Germany’s confirmed cases [out of five] were linked to exposure “at party events including on Gran Canaria and in Berlin, where sexual activity took place.” Gran Canaria, or Grand Canary, is one of the Canary Islands.

    I think people of a nationalist, conservative bent, really need to understand and push the whole concept of “separation”.

    Traditionally societies functioned because they had a set of norms that they enforced to keep society functioning, productive, healthy and reproducing itself.

    Now any norms that impact saintly minorities are out! (“racist!”, “antii-Semitc”, “Islamophobic”, “homophobic”, transphobic” …)

    But norms are good. Very good. So itt’s time for another tact. Simply saying “different strokes for different folks. You want these norms, we do not. We want our norms.”

    I have no idea whether the Canary Islanders appreciate this fag-fest. That the \$\$\$ or more accurately €€€ are worth the unpleasantness of having your joint queered up. But I do know they have the inherent right to choose. To say no.

    Personally, I have zero interest in being around queers, seeing them, hearing them whatever. The old social norm of homosexuality being in the closet worked fine for me. If they want to be out, let them have a homo-nation, and I can live hetero-nation. We are going to need several separate nations for the various normative ideologies that are out there. But that’s ok. It is what happens when the traditional, organic social norms of the West are intentionally torn down.

  124. AndrewR says:
    @Bill Jones

    Throughout most of recorded history, life was almost entirely different from today. I have Luddite/anarcho-primitivist tendencies but I am not going to pretend that technology hasn’t changed the world when it comes to things like promiscuity.

  125. @Steve Sailer

    Reggae musicians have always liked monkey lyrics – I posted Toots and the Maytals “Monkey Man” recently.

    The monkey won’t do, I don’t know what to say, the monkey won’t do
    Don’t know what to say, the monkey make me feel so blue
    More power to this monkey, must be some kind of baddy-boo
    Went uptown, monkey went up too
    Went downtown, monkey went down there too
    Standing on the corner, monkey on the corner too
    Try to light my cigarette, monkey light his too

    I don’t think anyone’s done a monkeypox single, but here’s “Diseases”, a warning to avoid bad habits and unseemly behaviour.

    ‘Cause, every day di girls dress up in a trousers
    I say, what happen to your skirts an’ blouses?
    Why can’t I man see you in your dresses?
    ‘Cause, these things unto Jah Jah not pleases
    An’ every day dem a worship vanities
    An’ your greatest lust is jewelries

    Mind Jah lick you with diseases
    May Jah lick you with diseases
    The most dangerous diseases
    I say, the most dangerous diseases
    I’m talking like the elephantitis
    The other one is the poliomyelitis
    Arthritis, an’ di one diabetes (You see?)

  126. @Stogumber

    Healthwise I get the impression the Germans really stay on top of infectious disease threats and especially ones from Africa. For COVID they did one of the first utterly rigorous studies based on their first outbreak (ex-China and business). We’re talking about sending out samples to two different BSL-3 level laboratories to confirm they could culture the virus. In the last big Ebola outbreak before the vaccine for it was available, they saved the life of someone who by all rights should have died, among other things his gut shut down which has a very bad prognosis.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  127. @Bruno

    So that’s not the first community spread.

    The community spread for the US 2003 outbreak would be at most in the prairie dogs who got it from imported African rodents they were housed with (such import is now banned). I would wonder about your explaination of how it happened, except I’ve never heard of people keeping them as pets before. Sounds like a real bad idea based on what I know of them including that populations of rodents in the US West harbor the plague which got here from China in the third plague pandemic in the 19th Century.

    And “community spread” as used in epidemiology wouldn’t count for those critters because the source was so obvious; it’s normally used to describe one or more people who get it that you can’t trace to another known case. As in, when a pathogen gets to this stage it’s potentially beyond normal public health control measures like tracing contacts, quarantines for the exposed and isolation for those who have it.

    Here, for the West African (WA) clade of these ex-Africa cases we’re seeing the first documented human to human transmission to begin with….

    • Agree: Bruno
    • Replies: @Bruno
  128. @Anonymous

    Straight people also have anal sex.

    Anal sex is nowhere near as common or standard among heterosexual couples as between two gay men. It’s also the case that in heterosexual relations the receptive partner – even with anal sex – isn’t able to turn the tables and become the penetrative participant.

    Gays are more inclined to get AIDS because they have more sex.

    False. Receptive anal intercourse is by far the highest risk sexual behavior for contracting HIV/AIDS. Gay men are able to both give and receive, and therefore are the prime vectors for HIV/AIDS.

    Gays would be far more likely to contract HIV/AIDS if they simply mimicked the sexual continence of straights. But gays combine the single most risky sexual activity with the highest partner counts. Gays are the undisputed world champions of HIV/AIDS.

    Most straight men would love to have the diversity of partners that gays have, but they can’t.

    You’re confusing “diversity” with “frequency.” Gays are much more indiscriminate, even than what an analogous straight horndog would be given the chance.

    BTW, the fact is that heterosexual intercourse is as dangerous as gay sex.

    Again, penile-vaginal sex is much less risky than anal intercourse in terms of contracting HIV/AIDS. Your statement is flat-out, demonstrably false.

    In Africa, the hot point of AIDS, this disease is spread by heterosexual ways.

    This is a fraud as well. African AIDS numbers are faked – because of very poor hygiene and lack of clean, potable water sources, Africans have low T-cell counts. They count low T-cells as “AIDS,” rather than performing tests which reveal the presence of HIV antibodies. This is because African nations can secure funding from the West for AIDS more readily than for construction of potable water supplies. It also helped Western Public Health Authorities to fool their own populations into irrational fear of HIV/AIDS in order to yield public policy that wouldn’t be possible otherwise.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  129. @Jonathan Mason

    The blood donation route for AIDS had been cleared up, but the ban on gays donating blood was homophobic so…

    A ban on male gays and intravenous drug users of either sex donating blood is just common sense*, but how do you tell if someone is gay if they deny it. That’s why all the blood has to be tested anyway, driving up the cost of medical care yet again.

    * If someone was infected, like, yesterday, then perhaps the blood testing would not catch it.

    Gay men don’t just harbor HIV, they often carry a panoply of other harmful pathogens even without HIV.

    One of the scandals of the early AIDS epidemic was that it was well known before AIDS appeared that gay men spread various virus and pathogens like wildfire due to treatment in San Francisco’s medical clinics for decades prior. For example, there was an Amoebiasis outbreak there among gays – Amoebiasis is typically spread in third world situations due to poor water hygiene. But all of a sudden gays in San Francisco started showing up at clinics with this disease. They figured out that it was spread among the gays by, to put it delicately, the oral-fecal route. So when the first gays showed up with similar symptoms of the as-yet determined AIDS (often guys who had showed up for treatment previously for Amoebiasis or other illnesses), they knew right away that it was spread via gay sexual practices.

  130. @mc23

    Let’s just point out the very real risks of anal sex for carrying and spreading disease. It’s perfectly true. The lower colon is very effective at absorbing viruses , drugs and other material, even alchohol.

    Imagine an ad campaign during Pride Month- “Only a A**hole has unprotected anal sex”. Criminalize it in the name of public safety. It’s sort of like wearing a mask.

    You can’t speak your mind, you can’t peaceably assemble, the government can snoop on you without a warrant, and it can deny you bail if you have the wrong political views – but by golly, if there’s one thing that Americans are free to do to their hearts’ content, it’s to engage in anal intercourse.

  131. Bruno says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I agree. I was using the « community » term as sociology : because it had spread in billionnaires house and those billionnaires had in common to host Prairie dogs in enormous aquarium where they could watch them do their funny nests.

    Of course, unlike gays, billionnaires weren’t contaminating each other because it was the same rodent who contaminated the Prairie dog breeder stocks. So the situations were very different. Same for the white rat pet in France.

    But I liked to associate the monkeypox with billionnaires as it is with gay people now …. It’s just a contra- analogy, if I may, the kind Sailer likes to dig …

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  132. @Chris Renner

    Monkey pox was always going to cross over into the gay community eventually.

    Gorillas and chimpanzees just won’t let you put a condom on them, and every time you try to show them how to correctly unroll a condom using a banana, it always ends with their eating it.

  133. @Charles

    Look for the jack-booted G-men to be at your door soon checking for compliance.

    Should we expect them to be clad in leather from head to jack-booted toes?

    “Monkeypox is spread through close physical contact, and no one community is biologically more at risk than another (…)”

    A lie, given what was reported. It was pointed out already, but again: when it is said that “no community is more at risk than any other” one can be almost sure that is false and intended to mislead.

  134. Similar crap in The New York Times:
    “To Fight Monkeypox, Remember the Lessons of Covid and H.I.V.”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/29/opinion/monkeypox-covid-and-hiv.html
    Of course the most important thing is to ensure that no stigma should attach to homosexuals!

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
  135. @Macumazahn

    This op-ed is actually pretty good. They don’t denounce monkeypox “stigma” until the final paragraph, and most of it consists of pretty sensible recommendations for gearing up for a spreading disease that so far, for whatever reason, is concentrated in gays.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  136. GeraldB says:
    @Anon

    “The most vaxxed places have the most covid.”

    Correlation does not imply causation. It’s just as likely that the causal arrow points the other way: people in areas with the most covid have greater incentive to get vaccinated.

  137. @AndrewR

    You gonna cry about it?

    Why would I cry? I’m not at risk of contracting HIV/AIDS. Make sure to take your Biktarvy prescription daily, AndrewR.

  138. @Steve Sailer

    Haven’t read it, but putting the “stigma” denunciation at the end of the op-ed sure sounds like it’s ritual boilerplate they have to include to get it published, keep their social, job and career standing, etc. For newspapers, although I’d guess this is less true for op-eds vs. news, what they put at the beginning including the title is by far the most important, they assume the longer it goes, the fewer people will continue reading it, and that many will just read the title.

  139. Corn says:
    @Joe S.Walker

    That’s what I’ve always heard in the media…. “People didn’t know”. My Boomer mom however said she had heard rumors he was gay in the ‘50s and ‘60s. She was genuinely surprised people were so surprised Hudson was gay.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
  140. Corn says:
    @Mike Tre

    Is HIV denialism still a thing? I thought it faded away by the mid -‘00s?

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  141. Anonymous[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alec Leamas (working from home)

    Yes, rich westerners care about AIDS but don’t care about the multitude of other illnesses that plague African. There’s a strong incentive for African governments to misreport other diseases as AIDS to secure more funding.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Art Deco
  142. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:

    With homosexuality, one is erotically and romantically attracted to another in one’s own image. Heterosexuality requires the attraction to be toward another who is decidedly *not* in one’s own image. I think this might have something to do with the hyper abundant, not to say, pathological, narcissism one tends to see in the homosexual, which makes X rather obnoxiously a gender all to Xself.

    • Replies: @Bruno
  143. Art Deco says:
    @Corn

    Agreed. I’m recalling a girl I was dating at the time (the daughter of a judge from Villanova, Pa, not anyone with Hollywood connections) saying, “Oh yeah. He was Jim Nabors’ boyfriend”. A family member who lived in Honolulu for many years used to cross paths with Hollywood types passing through town. About Hudson he was told (ca. 1977) “the biggest flamin’ queen in Hollywood”. There was subterranean chatter about the man which leaked out to the general public. Neither Nabors nor Hudson had any children, Nabors never married, and Hudson’s one brief marriage was to a rather ordinary looking woman who worked for his agent.

  144. @Jonathan Mason

    “but how do you tell if someone is gay if they deny it.”

    In Britain where we have a national health service, you could always access someone’s medical records. There must be some non-trivial chance that someone who is a drug addict or a homosexual will have come into contact with the medical establishment at some point. I have no idea if such medical records were used, though.

  145. Ian M. says:

    “It’s really important to avoid panic and stigmatization,” said Markus Ulrich…

    Thankfully, our indefatigable ruling class manfully avoided all panic and stigmatization during the covid pandemic, so Mr. Ulrich has nothing to fear here.

    “Stigma has no place in medicine or public health.”

    Thank goodness our peerless political and media classes demonstrated remarkable restraint by refusing to stigmatize the unvaccinated or the maskless during the covid pandemic – despite immense pressure to do – thereby renewing our faith in democracy and America and confirming the continued relevance of our venerable liberal institutions just when it was most needed.

  146. Bruno says:
    @anon

    Some straight couples look almost the same. You even find straight and gay people looking comically the same as their dog,

    The alterity argument is just a joke religious people invoke against homosexuality. Their argument could even justify miscegenation, you can’t have more alterity, than blonde and black …

  147. Bruno says:

    Professor Raoult says Monkeypox looks like a gay STD now. He notes that country that have implemented a chickenpox vaccine like the USA are much more protected. He reminds that vaccines are much more based on political decisions, linked to lobby and media, than purely P&L analysis on health and cost for society, communities and individuals.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  148. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anonymous

    https://www.cartercenter.org/health/

    A leader in the eradication and elimination of diseases, the Center fights six preventable diseases — Guinea worm, river blindness, trachoma, schistosomiasis, lymphatic filariasis, and malaria in Hispaniola — by using health education and simple, low-cost methods.

    https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-health/neglected-tropical-diseases

    Battling NTDs is a priority for our foundation, and we make sure our investments complement the work of donor governments and developing countries, which provide most of the funding to combat these diseases.

  149. Art Deco says:
    @Anonymous

    Life expectancy at birth in Tropical Africa is now about 60, aggregating the rates for individual countries. In the United States, life expectancy at birth did not pass 60 until about 1935. Someone’s been caring about something in the realm of public health there.

  150. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:

    @Bruno #152

    “Their argument could even justify miscegenation, you can’t have more alterity, than blonde and black … ”

    Yes you can: man and woman, or, in the parlance of our times, XY and XX.

  151. @Bruno

    Professor Raoult says Monkeypox looks like a gay STD now. He notes that country that have implemented a chickenpox vaccine like the USA are much more protected.

    The former is obvious, although I guess you’d have to be someone like him, in this case having passed a trial of fire or three, to say it outright instead of imply it in passing.

    The latter makes no sense and I don’t know enough French to more than confirm he’s saying something about vaccinating “enfants,” I gave up after the first two minutes. The problem is that chicken “pox” is a herpes virus, that’s one reason it’s imperative to prevent it from ever getting a foothold in your body because it’s not going away and may give you shingles in the future.

    Monkeypox is so different per Wikipedia there’s no commonality thought Phylum, Kingdom and Realm; maybe they have something in common that’ll provide cross protection, but that’s officially the remit of vaccines based on the attenuated live virus vaccinia that was derived from cowpox (with the latest version being non-replication competent but otherwise as I understand the same thing as what was used for a very long time against smallpox).

  152. CCZ says:

    The Few, The GAY Proud, The Marines!!!!

  153. @Sean

    If you think Chechens are “loyal” to Russia you’re very lost my dear. Russia pays their warlord a very big tribute (more than the government spends on their capital, per year), that’s why there are tiktok warriors running around Ukraine yelling akhmat sila. As soon as the tribute check does not clear, you’ll see exactly what you saw in the 90s. Also explains why Chechens only come to villages and small town ruins after the mobilized meatshields from “liberated” territories took them with massive losses (pro tip: it’s because Kadyrov is not gonna lose his men when a potential confrontation with Russia is on the horizon if the check does not clear).
    Also, odd way to demoralize the resistance, now that we’re on day 100 of the war and the borders haven’t really moved for 2 months.

  154. Bubba says:
    @mc23

    Yes, 100% correct. Röhm was put to death after Adolph Hitler personally led him into a trap – think of a mafia-like hit as depicted in “Goodfellas” when Joe Pesci was made to think he was being “a made man.”

    And the Brownshirts were primarily a group of militant homosexuals that Hitler used to gain power, but then dispatched their ranks to prison when they posed a threat to him.

    William Shirer wrote about it in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

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