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From The Atlantic:

The Miracle of Minneapolis

No other place mixes affordability, opportunity, and wealth so well. What’s its secret?

DEREK THOMPSON

The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s Law of Proximity to the Canadian Border is explained here.

 
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  1. Only three large metros where at least half the homes are within reach for young middle-class families also finish in the top 10 in the Harvard-Berkeley mobility study: Salt Lake City, Pittsburgh, and Minneapolis–St. Paul.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Salt Lake City, Pittsburgh, and Minneapolis–St. Paul.
     
    With the exception of Portland and Green Bay, the whitest cities in the major leagues. Possibly even including Canada.
  2. iSteveFan says:

    Steve, good job of posting comments at the Atlantic. I see some of those commenters are trying to tear at your arguments.

    OT, have you been following the Pasco, WA police shooting? The NY Times seems to think its a latino Ferguson. Once again the guy they are mourning is not exactly a model citizen. In fact he is not even a citizen at all.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    Pasco?

    Where's that?

    Presumably, a long way from New York.

  3. Of course, Minnesota sowed the seeds of its own destruction by forcing so much low income housing into so many communities. Originally, the primary beneficiaries were probably elderly people on fixed incomes, but all of that housing will gradually become a magnet for the nonworking poor.

  4. @iSteveFan
    Steve, good job of posting comments at the Atlantic. I see some of those commenters are trying to tear at your arguments.

    OT, have you been following the Pasco, WA police shooting? The NY Times seems to think its a latino Ferguson. Once again the guy they are mourning is not exactly a model citizen. In fact he is not even a citizen at all.

    Pasco?

    Where’s that?

    Presumably, a long way from New York.

    • Replies: @iSteveFan
    If they can get the Hispanics fired up like they got the blacks, I guess they think 2016 will be all sewn up.

    Back to the Atlantic. A commenter is arguing your stats about Minneapolis. I don't think he understands that the American Community Survey is in fact the Census Bureau, and that your data is for metro areas not just the city. I think he is fixating on the city population and not the entire metro.

  5. iSteveFan says:
    @Steve Sailer
    Pasco?

    Where's that?

    Presumably, a long way from New York.

    If they can get the Hispanics fired up like they got the blacks, I guess they think 2016 will be all sewn up.

    Back to the Atlantic. A commenter is arguing your stats about Minneapolis. I don’t think he understands that the American Community Survey is in fact the Census Bureau, and that your data is for metro areas not just the city. I think he is fixating on the city population and not the entire metro.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/may-day-illegal-immigrant-marches-flop/?highlight=2006+immigration

    I demur

    The Ds need to ratchet up a White-Asian tension. McCain's efforts to pander to VN voters for his renomination might be a part.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    The GOP's best effort is to hammer the above home to NoVa Asians. A reverse Zuckerberg pairing.
  6. American Swedish Institute
    “The American Swedish Institute (ASI) is a vibrant museum and cultural center in the Phillips West neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota

    The American Swedish Institute is housed in a turn of the 20th century mansion that was built for Swedish immigrants Swan and Christina Turnblad.”

    http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/285774451.html
    Swedish-language newspapers archived online

    • Replies: @Anton Chigurh
    Look for the ASI to start sponsoring African Dance Festivals - Food and Fun For The Whole Family in the near future.
    Also look for them to have a Somali receptionist any time now--for the first face you see when you walk in to reflect that vibrancy!
    , @Alice
    ASI is vibrant! It is so diverse that it hosts rooms devoted to Norwegians, Icelanders, Danes, and Finns in addition to Swedes!

    The depth of Scandinavian roots here is impossible to overstate. These are still their people, their stock. Following in thr footdteps of many emigrants, they have clung to it more so than the home cultures have.


    But sadly ASI is also vibrant for being in what is now a black neighborhood not far from a growing Latino neighborhood.
  7. @iSteveFan
    If they can get the Hispanics fired up like they got the blacks, I guess they think 2016 will be all sewn up.

    Back to the Atlantic. A commenter is arguing your stats about Minneapolis. I don't think he understands that the American Community Survey is in fact the Census Bureau, and that your data is for metro areas not just the city. I think he is fixating on the city population and not the entire metro.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/may-day-illegal-immigrant-marches-flop/?highlight=2006+immigration

    I demur

    The Ds need to ratchet up a White-Asian tension. McCain’s efforts to pander to VN voters for his renomination might be a part.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    The GOP’s best effort is to hammer the above home to NoVa Asians. A reverse Zuckerberg pairing.

  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The government of Minneapolis has recently decided to try to brand Minneapolis as “The City by Nature”. One factor to consider in the real estate prices around here is that there are basically no near by metropolitan areas (Obviously including St. Paul in the Twin Cities) and you don’t have to go far from downtown to be in the middle of nowhere.

    Looking at a map of population density confirms that Minneapolis is particularly isolated among large US cities.
    http://education.randmcnally.com/classroom/rmc/viewLargerMapImage.do?mapFileName=US_Population.png%20&imageTitle=United%20States%20Population%20Density%20Map

  9. Minneapolis is ground zero for frozen hipsters. If you can drive an AWD Subaru and can suffer through Minnesota winters, Minneapolis is Midwest Seattle.

    Steve should rank the best places with the worst environments to live in. Minneapolis would probably land in the top 15.

  10. I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts that there is a strong correlation in any metro between racial homogeneity and economic mobility. Using that assumption, the cities most ideal for the American Dream are places in the upper Midwest where there isn’t much diversity (except for Somalian refugees) and lots of cheap land. By comparison, the Sunbelt has cheap land, but enough diversity that regression to the racial income mean appears to destroy mobility. My metro of residence, for example, has been described as having the least economic mobility and is a chocolate Mecca, but rarely are those two facts mentioned together. Instead the usual claim is that in order to fix economic mobility, there needs to be more public transportation. I’m not opposed to increased public transit, but claiming it will be the magic bullet is just absurd.

    • Replies: @Jim
    I once came across a list on the Internet of the "10 best small cities to live in in the US". I look up the demographics of these 10 cities and they ranged from 89% to 98% white.
    , @backwoods poet
    I've long told my relatives and friends from southern California to never utter a word about select cities in the upper Midwest to their friends in southern California. We don't want our cities to turn into another Boulder. They are hidden secrets that even the most discriminating coasters only pooh-pooh as unlivable due to marginal fashion concerns. Otherwise they have every other amenity anyone could want or hope for. Except for the weather and a few easily avoidable shi* hole areas, the upper Midwest has the highest standard of living in the US. Again, that view assumes you aren't one of those peo0le who can't fathom living in a place that doesn't have hundreds of specialized truffle and handbag shops to pick from or the horror of having to walk more than 6 blocks to get somewhere.
    , @sestamibi
    Except that the Twin Cities is no long the homogeneous white metro it was in the 1970s when I attended the U of M and stayed on another six years after graduating. Hardly the place where Mary Tyler Moore once threw her hat in the air every Saturday night, it is highly unlikely that the good times will continue when "diversity" is the primary goal of the city's powers that be.
  11. ‘ Minne mayor Betsy Hodges (who is awesome because she married an A-A), has made ‘the gap’ her #1 priority. Downtown Minne development keeps stagnating because they won’t stop and frisk locals per disparate impact, making it less than it could be. So, in many ways its like every other big US city, just not as bad.

  12. Recently met some ‘sotans who moved to Syracuse NY, if you move to that s- hole, I would think things are pretty grim where you are from.

    • Replies: @Marty T
    The suburbs of Syracuse can be really nice places. They could do worse.
    , @Art Deco
    Syracuse is actually an agreeable place to live. Some of the suburban strips are pretty hideous, but you see that anywhere.
  13. @Aristippus
    I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that there is a strong correlation in any metro between racial homogeneity and economic mobility. Using that assumption, the cities most ideal for the American Dream are places in the upper Midwest where there isn't much diversity (except for Somalian refugees) and lots of cheap land. By comparison, the Sunbelt has cheap land, but enough diversity that regression to the racial income mean appears to destroy mobility. My metro of residence, for example, has been described as having the least economic mobility and is a chocolate Mecca, but rarely are those two facts mentioned together. Instead the usual claim is that in order to fix economic mobility, there needs to be more public transportation. I'm not opposed to increased public transit, but claiming it will be the magic bullet is just absurd.

    I once came across a list on the Internet of the “10 best small cities to live in in the US”. I look up the demographics of these 10 cities and they ranged from 89% to 98% white.

  14. I love this reply to Sailer’s comments:

    “As shown by others, your statistical picture is inaccurate.

    But moreover, what precisely are you driving at?”

    It made my morning.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Yeah, it was very, very funny.
  15. 1) The Twin Cities are remarkable. The job market is doing as well as any time in history, with only 3.5% unemployment. This shows that while much of America is in permanent decline, there will continue to be a few bright spots here and there.

    2) In addition to demographics, the article doesn’t mention another key factor in Minneapolis’ success: the 2008-2014 North Dakota oil boom generated a lot of work the for the Cities’ white-collar office professions and vacuumed away any surplus blue-collar workers.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I once came across a list on the Internet of the “10 best small cities to live in in the US”. I look up the demographics of these 10 cities and they ranged from 89% to 98% white.

    This has been my experience living in different places. In predominately white areas with 10-15% of East Asian (Korean, Chinese) minorities and things are very orderly and your biggest problem will be finding a parking spot at the local Whole Foods. Over 5-8% NAMs you need to be prepared for deterioration of quality of life issues (not just crime).

    • Replies: @Aristippus
    But if there's not enough parking at the Whole Foods, then how are those poor souls supposed to get their kale chips and growlers? That's the first step towards society crumbling!
    , @Twinkie

    This has been my experience living in different places. In predominately white areas with 10-15% of East Asian (Korean, Chinese) minorities and things are very orderly and your biggest problem will be finding a parking spot at the local Whole Foods.
     
    Oh, heck, I live in an area like that and one big problem is finding an open lane at the gun range.
  17. The downside:

    Scandinavians, either in their own countries or their diaspora, seem to have a fetish for Eastern Africans.

  18. @Anonymous
    @Jim

    I once came across a list on the Internet of the “10 best small cities to live in in the US”. I look up the demographics of these 10 cities and they ranged from 89% to 98% white.
     
    This has been my experience living in different places. In predominately white areas with 10-15% of East Asian (Korean, Chinese) minorities and things are very orderly and your biggest problem will be finding a parking spot at the local Whole Foods. Over 5-8% NAMs you need to be prepared for deterioration of quality of life issues (not just crime).

    But if there’s not enough parking at the Whole Foods, then how are those poor souls supposed to get their kale chips and growlers? That’s the first step towards society crumbling!

  19. @Aristippus
    I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that there is a strong correlation in any metro between racial homogeneity and economic mobility. Using that assumption, the cities most ideal for the American Dream are places in the upper Midwest where there isn't much diversity (except for Somalian refugees) and lots of cheap land. By comparison, the Sunbelt has cheap land, but enough diversity that regression to the racial income mean appears to destroy mobility. My metro of residence, for example, has been described as having the least economic mobility and is a chocolate Mecca, but rarely are those two facts mentioned together. Instead the usual claim is that in order to fix economic mobility, there needs to be more public transportation. I'm not opposed to increased public transit, but claiming it will be the magic bullet is just absurd.

    I’ve long told my relatives and friends from southern California to never utter a word about select cities in the upper Midwest to their friends in southern California. We don’t want our cities to turn into another Boulder. They are hidden secrets that even the most discriminating coasters only pooh-pooh as unlivable due to marginal fashion concerns. Otherwise they have every other amenity anyone could want or hope for. Except for the weather and a few easily avoidable shi* hole areas, the upper Midwest has the highest standard of living in the US. Again, that view assumes you aren’t one of those peo0le who can’t fathom living in a place that doesn’t have hundreds of specialized truffle and handbag shops to pick from or the horror of having to walk more than 6 blocks to get somewhere.

  20. Steve, I second the comments above about the benefit of your comments on The Atlantic.

    It’s an interesting site because it covers so many different topics, but the comments section there desperately needs more “Steve Sailer” common sense.

  21. @Hippopotamusdrome
    American Swedish Institute
    "The American Swedish Institute (ASI) is a vibrant museum and cultural center in the Phillips West neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota
    ...
    The American Swedish Institute is housed in a turn of the 20th century mansion that was built for Swedish immigrants Swan and Christina Turnblad."

    http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/285774451.html
    Swedish-language newspapers archived online

    Look for the ASI to start sponsoring African Dance Festivals – Food and Fun For The Whole Family in the near future.
    Also look for them to have a Somali receptionist any time now–for the first face you see when you walk in to reflect that vibrancy!

  22. Chris Rock riffed on the whiteness of Minnesota in one of his routines — I think it was one of the ones he stopped doing because “racist” white folks kept “misinterpreting” it.

    Anyways, the routine was about how all the black people in America live in just a handful of places. The last line was something like, “Ain’t no black people in Minnesota! The only black people there are Prince and Kirby Puckett!”

  23. @Blobby5
    Recently met some 'sotans who moved to Syracuse NY, if you move to that s- hole, I would think things are pretty grim where you are from.

    The suburbs of Syracuse can be really nice places. They could do worse.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


    The suburbs of Syracuse can be really nice places.

     

    Especially under ten feet of snow, annually. Juneau gets the same, but is much prettier.

    I want to know how the 'Cusers deflected their snow toward Boston this winter.
    , @Art Deco
    Actually, a number of the city neighborhoods are agreeable as well, and prettier.
  24. @Marty T
    The suburbs of Syracuse can be really nice places. They could do worse.

    The suburbs of Syracuse can be really nice places.

    Especially under ten feet of snow, annually. Juneau gets the same, but is much prettier.

    I want to know how the ‘Cusers deflected their snow toward Boston this winter.

  25. @syonredux

    Only three large metros where at least half the homes are within reach for young middle-class families also finish in the top 10 in the Harvard-Berkeley mobility study: Salt Lake City, Pittsburgh, and Minneapolis–St. Paul.
     

    Salt Lake City, Pittsburgh, and Minneapolis–St. Paul.

    With the exception of Portland and Green Bay, the whitest cities in the major leagues. Possibly even including Canada.

  26. @OsRazor
    I love this reply to Sailer's comments:

    "As shown by others, your statistical picture is inaccurate.

    But moreover, what precisely are you driving at?"

    It made my morning.

    Yeah, it was very, very funny.

  27. Then again: is this a post-Randy Moss survey

  28. @Anonymous
    @Jim

    I once came across a list on the Internet of the “10 best small cities to live in in the US”. I look up the demographics of these 10 cities and they ranged from 89% to 98% white.
     
    This has been my experience living in different places. In predominately white areas with 10-15% of East Asian (Korean, Chinese) minorities and things are very orderly and your biggest problem will be finding a parking spot at the local Whole Foods. Over 5-8% NAMs you need to be prepared for deterioration of quality of life issues (not just crime).

    This has been my experience living in different places. In predominately white areas with 10-15% of East Asian (Korean, Chinese) minorities and things are very orderly and your biggest problem will be finding a parking spot at the local Whole Foods.

    Oh, heck, I live in an area like that and one big problem is finding an open lane at the gun range.

  29. The late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s Law of Proximity to the Canadian Border is explained here.

    Is Maine really that full of “opportunities and wealth” minus the transplants with seasonal homes?

  30. “Chris Rock riffed on the whiteness of Minnesota in one of his routines”

    This coming from a guy who said in the past that the only other Blacks living in his neighborhood besides him and his family are Beyonce, Jay-Z, and Blue Ivy.

    He blasts Whiteness so much yet he himself lives in a very White neighborhood. He is not purchasing a house in 70 percent Black Bed Stuy anytime soon that’s for damn sure.

    “Anyways, the routine was about how all the black people in America live in just a handful of places.”

    Too bad that is not true. Even in states like Colorado and Iowa you can find some cities where the percentage of Blacks is in the double digits. It’s not like you can avoid Blacks as long as you stay away from places like Detroit and Memphis.

    Any city that has double digit percentage of Blacks, qualifies as having a significant Black population.

  31. “Steve should rank the best places with the worst environments to live in. Minneapolis would probably land in the top 15.”

    Not only does Minnesota’s bone chilling winters turn me off, but so do their left wing politics. An ideal perfect world for me would be combing the Bay Area’s mild weather with Louisiana’s right wing politics. Too bad such a place does not exist.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    Try the OC, although get ready for a lot of Asian food
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Not only does Minnesota’s bone chilling winters turn me off, but so do their left wing politics.
     
    Oh, yeah… left-wing loons like Tim Pawlenty, Jesse Ventura, Norm Coleman… and Michele Bachmann. And a House of Representatives that looks like this.

    Minneapolis is not Berkeley. And even here the radicals are pleasant and polite.

    Paul Wellstone is as far out as you get here-- and he voted for DOMA. Remember DOMA?
  32. @Jefferson
    "Steve should rank the best places with the worst environments to live in. Minneapolis would probably land in the top 15."

    Not only does Minnesota's bone chilling winters turn me off, but so do their left wing politics. An ideal perfect world for me would be combing the Bay Area's mild weather with Louisiana's right wing politics. Too bad such a place does not exist.

    Try the OC, although get ready for a lot of Asian food

  33. @Blobby5
    Recently met some 'sotans who moved to Syracuse NY, if you move to that s- hole, I would think things are pretty grim where you are from.

    Syracuse is actually an agreeable place to live. Some of the suburban strips are pretty hideous, but you see that anywhere.

  34. @Marty T
    The suburbs of Syracuse can be really nice places. They could do worse.

    Actually, a number of the city neighborhoods are agreeable as well, and prettier.

  35. @Jefferson
    "Steve should rank the best places with the worst environments to live in. Minneapolis would probably land in the top 15."

    Not only does Minnesota's bone chilling winters turn me off, but so do their left wing politics. An ideal perfect world for me would be combing the Bay Area's mild weather with Louisiana's right wing politics. Too bad such a place does not exist.

    Not only does Minnesota’s bone chilling winters turn me off, but so do their left wing politics.

    Oh, yeah… left-wing loons like Tim Pawlenty, Jesse Ventura, Norm Coleman… and Michele Bachmann. And a House of Representatives that looks like this.

    Minneapolis is not Berkeley. And even here the radicals are pleasant and polite.

    Paul Wellstone is as far out as you get here– and he voted for DOMA. Remember DOMA?

  36. I wonder if the all the gentrification that put Minneapolis near the top of that list isn’t concentrated in the condos that have gone up in the last decade along the new white-rail line.

    And yes, I said “white rail.

  37. @Aristippus
    I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that there is a strong correlation in any metro between racial homogeneity and economic mobility. Using that assumption, the cities most ideal for the American Dream are places in the upper Midwest where there isn't much diversity (except for Somalian refugees) and lots of cheap land. By comparison, the Sunbelt has cheap land, but enough diversity that regression to the racial income mean appears to destroy mobility. My metro of residence, for example, has been described as having the least economic mobility and is a chocolate Mecca, but rarely are those two facts mentioned together. Instead the usual claim is that in order to fix economic mobility, there needs to be more public transportation. I'm not opposed to increased public transit, but claiming it will be the magic bullet is just absurd.

    Except that the Twin Cities is no long the homogeneous white metro it was in the 1970s when I attended the U of M and stayed on another six years after graduating. Hardly the place where Mary Tyler Moore once threw her hat in the air every Saturday night, it is highly unlikely that the good times will continue when “diversity” is the primary goal of the city’s powers that be.

  38. @Hippopotamusdrome
    American Swedish Institute
    "The American Swedish Institute (ASI) is a vibrant museum and cultural center in the Phillips West neighborhood of Minneapolis, Minnesota
    ...
    The American Swedish Institute is housed in a turn of the 20th century mansion that was built for Swedish immigrants Swan and Christina Turnblad."

    http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/285774451.html
    Swedish-language newspapers archived online

    ASI is vibrant! It is so diverse that it hosts rooms devoted to Norwegians, Icelanders, Danes, and Finns in addition to Swedes!

    The depth of Scandinavian roots here is impossible to overstate. These are still their people, their stock. Following in thr footdteps of many emigrants, they have clung to it more so than the home cultures have.

    But sadly ASI is also vibrant for being in what is now a black neighborhood not far from a growing Latino neighborhood.

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