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From the New York Times:

Join Us in Miami! Love, Masters of the Universe
Silicon Valley techies and Wall Street titans have bought homes and moved businesses there in the pandemic, coaxed by an eager mayor.

By Nellie Bowles
Jan. 29, 2021

MIAMI — America’s business leaders, freed from the office, looked around the country, taking note of its coronavirus lockdowns, taxes and rabble rousers. And many said as if in unison: Miami!

Blackstone Group: Miami!

Elliott Management: Miami!

Silicon Valley venture capitalists: Miami!

And the charming mayor, Francis X. Suarez, a registered Republican, knowing he had an especially easy sell at the moment, said: Welcome.

As tech leaders have decamped from San Francisco and Wall Street titans from New York, many have spread across the country to locations with sun, lower taxes and — preferably — more relaxed lockdowns. Coming from places run by progressive governments that were sometimes openly antagonistic toward local elites, many were thrilled to move to towns that seemed to want them more.

Some chose Austin, Texas. Others gravitated to Boulder, Colo. But perhaps the most vocal faction came to Miami.

My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys, but it increasingly has its advantages. The Latino political leadership doesn’t take African-American complaints seriously. And, while the Latin muy macho and the muy whatever the feminine equivalent of macho gender roles aren’t ideal for tech guys (e.g., Richard, the hero of Mike Judge’s great Silicon Valley), they are at least saner and funner than transmania.

 
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  1. Maybe a certain percentage hispanics gives herd immunity against both Antifa and BLM style madness?

    On the other hand, most latinos lean left. And most of the “refugees” from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    /just some incoherent brainstorming …

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @TruthRevolution.net


    And most of the “refugees” from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.
     
    Yes, migrants white and black threw several Great Lakes states to FDR, even though the natives smelled a rat.
    , @Polistra
    @TruthRevolution.net

    The entire region of South Florida is chock-full of latin gangsters and kleptocrats. As those two groups are bound to do wherever they are found, they are obsessed with making and keeping the appearance of legitimacy. It's often comical watching this, as an outsider, but at some point they achieve a critical mass and their comic displays actually achieve legitimacy. Yet another way our culture is enriched by third-world immigration.

    , @Sick 'n Tired
    @TruthRevolution.net

    This sounds like it's going to be a great time to be a coke dealer.

    , @AnotherDad
    @TruthRevolution.net


    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.
     
    Separation is the critically important concept--to understand, talk about, promote.

    The core reality is you can't have anything nice if you don't keep other people--who didn't work for it or don't contribute to it--from glomming onto it/you.

    What we have in the US is that the parasites have conducted a coup, taken over the joint and have been doing a bust-out. All covered/justified by minoritarian blather.

    What is necessary if for the host population to say "Uh ... no. You know we'd be just fine without you guys. We aren't your serfs. We have every right to run our own affairs and don't need you around."

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous

    , @Supply and Demand
    @TruthRevolution.net

    The California migrants offset all the Yiddish speaking snowbirds who need to hurry up and croak already.

  2. Uh, as I believe you yourself have pointed out—a big driving force behind the Trans-Insanity has been extremely nerdy powerful tech guys with severe identity issues who’ve read a lot of science fiction and believe in it.

    And Jewish enablers in the media of said mentally diseased folk being treated as sane.

    So Miami’s large Jewish population is about to welcome with open arms a lot of the nutty trans nonsense and promote it.

    Miami is going to be lit.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @R.G. Camara

    Miami Hispanic is all about Cuban. Even if you’re Puerto Rican, you are Cuban influenced. These are the least radical people in the world. They’re very conservative, often very religious. They remember Castro and the tyranny of communism. They do not tolerate any radicals whatsoever, and are all about business, entrepreneurship, building the community and self improvement.

  3. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:

    Watching the Tech Bros pretend they’ve discovered Miami has been one of the funniest things online over the past few months. Miami must have one of the least-educated workforces in all of America, but I guess we’re supposed to believe none of the non-Big Tech CEOs have ever looked at Miami and figured that out. Hey, who needs smart workers when you have a lot of sun?

    Living in Miami is like dealing with Uber’s customer service all day, every day. In a lot of ways, Big Tech and Miami are a match made in hell.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @James O'Meara
    @Anon

    "Miami must have one of the least-educated workforces in all of America, but I guess we’re supposed to believe none of the non-Big Tech CEOs have ever looked at Miami and figured that out."

    Uh, I think they plan to import their workers. Sunshine is more important.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Anon

    Miami’s cost of living as compared to salaries is likely even worse than the Bay Area. And now it will only get worse.

    As for an educated populace, they are going to miss having Stanford and UC nearby. U of M is not known as a STEM school. The more reputable STEM programs in the state are at U. if Florida and UCF. Both of which fuel Orlando, which was already known as the most tech-heavy metro area in Florida.

    Replies: @J.W.

    , @Ed
    @Anon

    Jamie Dimon has been opposed to moving a critical mass of the banks operations to FL from NY because he was not impressed with the school situation there, in particular private schools.

    Evidently his concerns have been alleviated some so JP Morgan is more open to moving services to Florida.

    https://nypost.com/2020/12/12/jamie-dimon-open-to-relocating-chunks-of-jpmorgan-chase/



    Dimon, I am told, vetoed a plan several years back to move a swath of the bank to south Florida because he didn’t think the schools were good enough. Now he appears to have changed his mind and is considering plenty of relocations outside New York City.

    With a vaccine on the way, many big businesses are plotting a fuller return to their NYC headquarters in the New Year. But don’t expect the banks’ NYC footprint to ever match what it was. Banks are talking staggered workweeks with some personnel going to the office just two or three days a week, and office space is shared.
     
  4. yes, but do tech guys like wearing pastel leisure suites?

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Farenheit

    There are only about 15 days a year when a hoodie is comfortable apparel in Miami. If you want to be a big monkey there you need to spend plenty of time lifting weights.

  5. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys

    It’s not. Culturally, Miami is basically Latino/Cuban + NYC. It’s long been a destination/hangout for NYC finance types, shady Russian and Israeli business types, etc. Of course it’s long attracted mob types – going back to Al Capone who retired there – but even the legitimate business types and the Cubans there have a gaudy, gangsterish vibe.

    The main “tech” people promoting the move to Miami tend to be gay VC types who are more in the finance side of things in tech like Keith Rabois. Miami is one of the major gay cities in the US.

    The Miami business scene and political leadership are sharks who see the tech guys as naive marks .

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Anonymous

    Your first paragraph illustrates why Miami is so alluring: it's a den of pirates. I spent time there in the early 90s when our POTUS, the truly shady H.W. Bush, was having his war on drugs fun. Beautiful beaches, bonerific young women in bikinis, beautiful ocean. Really was a paradise for a young man with a military grade haircut. I still hear its siren call; but the humidity is quite something. And when you go inland the bug life becomes prehistoric.

  6. #MiamiBeachTooBlack

    I’m here to tell you. I’ve only been the one time. Way too black. Don’t get your hopes up, “techies”.

    (I don’t know about the city itself.)

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Oddly, the Tech Bros are recommending Miami rather than Miami Beach. The Beach is, indeed, way too black these days (unlike 20 years ago), but for most of the year, they're just obnoxious hip-hop tourist blacks and not the shoot-'em-up type blacks who live in Miami proper year-round.

    The Miami airport famously didn't have luggage carts for something like 7 years — or a direct bus line from the airport to Miami Beach for almost 50 years — because the politicians are all such crooks. The Tech Bros don't seem to have any idea what they're in for. Really funny.

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Way too black.

    I lived on Miami Beach for several years throughout the '90s, while it was completing its transition from a low-cost Jewish retirement community to an international tourist and party destination.

    Today, the Northeastern blacks visit en mass for Memorial Day weekend but, according to census.gov, the MB is only 4% black; however, it is 56% foreign-born.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

  7. Balaji Srinivasan was one of the Silicon Valley techies talking up Miami, but now he’s decamped for India and Singapore.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Dave Pinsen

    "A very serious phishing attack" -- So he clicked a bad link in an email? Isn't he supposed to be a tech billionaire?

    PS: Was my meme a little too spicy, Steve? I guess I should have added a couple lines about White men having low sperm counts and deserving slavery. Probably would have sailed through moderation then.

    , @3g4me
    @Dave Pinsen

    @7 Dave Pinsen: Gee, ultimately genetics>culture>politics. Who knew? And what of all your co-ethnic hedge fund folks or Hollywood moguls? Have they ever not followed everything back to blood? Can you even admit their issues are genetic in nature? Sailer's site, the ultimate sink and gatekeeper for those who think HBD matters . . . but only in others, and only in some cases.

  8. @TruthRevolution.net
    Maybe a certain percentage hispanics gives herd immunity against both Antifa and BLM style madness?

    On the other hand, most latinos lean left. And most of the "refugees" from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    /just some incoherent brainstorming ...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @Sick 'n Tired, @AnotherDad, @Supply and Demand

    And most of the “refugees” from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    Yes, migrants white and black threw several Great Lakes states to FDR, even though the natives smelled a rat.

  9. Francis X. Suarez

    Another F.X., Reid, wrote:

    First, he sat and faced the console
    Faced the glowing, humming console
    Typed his login at the keyboard
    Typed his password (fourteen letters)
    Waited till the system answered
    Waited long and cursed its slowness

    • Replies: @Crawfurdmuir
    @Reg Cæsar


    First, he sat and faced the console
    Faced the glowing, humming console
    Typed his login at the keyboard
    Typed his password (fourteen letters)
    Waited till the system answered
    Waited long and cursed its slowness
     
    Another great parody!

    I'm sure some literary critic somewhere has noted that the trochaic tetrameter of The Song of Hiawatha was widely used liturgically in the Middle Ages. The Dies iræ and the Stabat mater are well known examples. These sequences were parodied just as you and F. X. Reid parody Longfellow:

    Iam lucis orto sidere,
    statim oportet bibere:
    bibamus nunc egregie
    et rebibamus hodie.

    Quicunque vult esse frater,
    bibat semel, bis, ter, quater:
    bibat semel et secundo,
    donec nihil sit in fundo.

    Bibat ille, bibat illa,
    bibat servus et ancilla,
    bibat hera, bibat herus,
    ad bibendum nemo serus.

    Potatoribus pro cunctis,
    pro captivis et defunctis,
    pro imperatore et papa,
    bibo vinum sine aqua.

    Haec est fides potatica,
    sociorum spes unica,
    qui bene non potaverit,
    salvus esse non poterit.

    Longisima potatio
    sit nobis salutatio:
    et duret ista ratio
    per infinita secula.

    Amen.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon

  10. Anon[314] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    #MiamiBeachTooBlack

    I'm here to tell you. I've only been the one time. Way too black. Don't get your hopes up, "techies".

    (I don't know about the city itself.)

    Replies: @Anon, @E. Rekshun

    Oddly, the Tech Bros are recommending Miami rather than Miami Beach. The Beach is, indeed, way too black these days (unlike 20 years ago), but for most of the year, they’re just obnoxious hip-hop tourist blacks and not the shoot-’em-up type blacks who live in Miami proper year-round.

    The Miami airport famously didn’t have luggage carts for something like 7 years — or a direct bus line from the airport to Miami Beach for almost 50 years — because the politicians are all such crooks. The Tech Bros don’t seem to have any idea what they’re in for. Really funny.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  11. I’d love to see a Florida Congressional seat open up so Trump could run for it in a special election. Ha ha ha ha! Yeehaw!

    • Agree: Polistra
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @JimDandy

    Ok, that would be funny. I don't want him back as President, but that would be about perfect.

    , @AnotherDad
    @JimDandy


    I’d love to see a Florida Congressional seat open up so Trump could run for it in a special election. Ha ha ha ha! Yeehaw!
     
    Trump has zero--sub-zero--interest in a Congressional seat. That would be beneath him. Anything less than the Presidency is beneath him.

    Trump has little interest in politics. As this election cycle proved, Trump has no interest in conservatism, nationalism, the survival of the American nation. Trump's sole interest is .... Donald J. Trump.

    He had his use in pointing the way for Republicans and exposing the utter depravity of our elites. But let us never hear from the guy again. Real Americans--conservatives/nationalists--deserve better--much better.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  12. @Dave Pinsen
    Balaji Srinivasan was one of the Silicon Valley techies talking up Miami, but now he’s decamped for India and Singapore.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1355092943481266177?s=21

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @3g4me

    “A very serious phishing attack” — So he clicked a bad link in an email? Isn’t he supposed to be a tech billionaire?

    PS: Was my meme a little too spicy, Steve? I guess I should have added a couple lines about White men having low sperm counts and deserving slavery. Probably would have sailed through moderation then.

  13. No state income tax in Florida?

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Patrick in SC

    There might be corporate income taxes just not personal income taxes. Also, Florida allows non-compete agreements that are death to high tech jobs.

  14. Don’t forget, no state income tax in Florida. If you are clearing a seven figure annual income, state income tax can take a big bite of that in places like CA and NY.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @NJ Transit Commuter

    Yeah, when I start to withdraw pre-tax dollars from the ol' 401k, FL and TN look better and better.

  15. @Anon
    Watching the Tech Bros pretend they've discovered Miami has been one of the funniest things online over the past few months. Miami must have one of the least-educated workforces in all of America, but I guess we're supposed to believe none of the non-Big Tech CEOs have ever looked at Miami and figured that out. Hey, who needs smart workers when you have a lot of sun?

    Living in Miami is like dealing with Uber's customer service all day, every day. In a lot of ways, Big Tech and Miami are a match made in hell.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ed

    “Miami must have one of the least-educated workforces in all of America, but I guess we’re supposed to believe none of the non-Big Tech CEOs have ever looked at Miami and figured that out.”

    Uh, I think they plan to import their workers. Sunshine is more important.

  16. Anon[173] • Disclaimer says:

    Moving to Florida is great–until the Dodobirds who move there realize Florida gets a Cat 3 hurricane or worse ever 4.5 years, and a Cat 4 or worse every 7.5 years. Having homes flattened from time to time is why Florida still has some reasonably priced real estate. It’s Florida’s dirty little secret.

    People do move away from Florida because they didn’t budget for a disaster and got wiped out.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Anon

    Don’t live in Florida but have been through many Cat 3 hurricanes. It’s not as bad as you think unless you live directly on the water. Or have a lot of trees within striking distance of your roof (pines and oaks especially, others aren’t as unstable).

    Now a strong Cat 5 like Hurricane Michael is admittedly another story. Drove through the area that was hit by it recently and it still looks like a bomb went off, though it’s been 2 years. Those are quite rare, and the worst damage is contained to a fairly small area. So a Cat 4 every 7.5 years doesn’t mean the entire peninsula of Florida gets wrecked.

    , @Abolish_public_education
    @Anon

    A northeastern, elderly relative retired to MB. A few years later, she moved back.

    The ambulance sirens, day and night, drove her nuts.

    @#20 (Thom)

    I’ve known some pretty smart people who graduated from UF. They established their careers in CA.

  17. a) Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don’t naturally “fit in” that well most places, so they’ll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are… bros so they’ll be fine too.

    b) i’m not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that’s been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise (partly because the land is also sinking since, get this, the whole continent is tilting a bit as the weight of ice in Canada is diminishing)

    Miami and its environs are practically at sea level. The whole Florida peninsula is very close to sea-level so it’s not like you can move a few miles inland to higher ground either.

    They already have problems with flooding so it’s not just a theoretical issue.
    (https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4)

    Property developers are still developing and prices are high but i just don’t see how it’s going to work there on the scale of decades. Anyone have any ideas how this is going to work out ?

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Anon7
    @vhrm

    Climate change doomsayers Obama and Gore have both spent a fortune to live next to the ocean, just a few feet above sea level. What does that tell you about the doctrine of imminent ruinous sea level rise?

    Also, if you look up Miami tide gauge chart you'll find that the sea level is going up by about a couple of millimeters per year. It's always hard to tell how much the land is sinking (a problem in Miami due to construction on reclaimed swamps) or how much the sea is rising.

    Florida is porous; I'd be more worried about my house falling into a sinkhole.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Bill Jones

    , @Wilkey
    @vhrm


    i’m not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that’s been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise
     
    I was going to mention exactly this. It's funny that so many of these guys are big climate alarmists yet most of the towns they settle in are right on the coast.

    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real - very real - but it's hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.

    Low wage jobs are disappearing, they tell us. We need to stop sprawl, they tell us. We need to reduce our carbon footprint, they tell us. We need to drain Lake Powerll and save the Colorado River and let it flow to the see, they tell us. Oh, and we need to let half of the 650 million people move here if they bloody well want to, they tell us. How much CO2 do air conditioners put out during the 110+ degree Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada summers put out, exactly?

    I've lived and worked in the arid Southwest off and on for much of my life, including California, and while it's certainly possible that some of the negative changes I've seen are due to climate change, it is undeniable that a lot of them are due to overpopulation. We just can't keep taking in this many people.

    Replies: @Polistra, @AnotherDad

    , @Graham
    @vhrm

    "Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don’t naturally “fit in” that well most places, so they’ll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are… bros so they’ll be fine too."

    Absolutely. All we need (I am a tech guy) is a good internet connection, somewhere to get decent craft beer, peace and quiet to work, and a gym or a beach or a jogging trail for exercise.

    Replies: @guest007, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon

    , @James Speaks
    @vhrm

    Sea level rise relastive to land elevation in Miami will be first felt in:
    a) Property insurance. It gets to be expensive.
    b) Local property taxes, especially when bonds won't float b/c nobody wants to buy a 30 year note when the issuing agency may be insolvent in ten.
    c) The canals have low bridges over them. If the boat owner can't get his boat out b/c it no longer fits under the dridge, property values plummet.

  18. Miami is home to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Cuba, the worker’s paradise.

    Direct exposure to communism is the best vaccination against Leftism.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Anon7

    Until Trump in 2020, Miami had been one of the bluest parts of Florida for a long time.

    Today's Miami Cubans aren't the same as those from the 1970s and 1980s. Today's Miami Cubans (and Venezuelans) lean left and generally love big government.

    , @3g4me
    @Anon7

    @18 Anon7: You're waaaay behind the times, sugarbritches. We live in the demograpic age, not the ideological age. Direct exposure to diversity is the best vaccination against multiculturalism. And Cubans are not White Europeans, regardless of their political 'ism."

    , @E. Rekshun
    @Anon7

    Miami is home to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Cuba, the worker’s paradise.

    Direct exposure to communism is the best vaccination against Leftism.


    Each successive generation of Cuban refugee becomes increasingly liberal.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

  19. @vhrm
    a) Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don't naturally "fit in" that well most places, so they'll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are... bros so they'll be fine too.

    b) i'm not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that's been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise (partly because the land is also sinking since, get this, the whole continent is tilting a bit as the weight of ice in Canada is diminishing)

    Miami and its environs are practically at sea level. The whole Florida peninsula is very close to sea-level so it's not like you can move a few miles inland to higher ground either.

    They already have problems with flooding so it's not just a theoretical issue.
    (https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4)

    https://media.tbistatic.com/bistudios/_00/dev_edit/saving-our-world/miami/assets/xwmITSzL84/miami-landscape-1925x1284.jpeg

    Property developers are still developing and prices are high but i just don't see how it's going to work there on the scale of decades. Anyone have any ideas how this is going to work out ?

    Replies: @Anon7, @Wilkey, @Graham, @James Speaks

    Climate change doomsayers Obama and Gore have both spent a fortune to live next to the ocean, just a few feet above sea level. What does that tell you about the doctrine of imminent ruinous sea level rise?

    Also, if you look up Miami tide gauge chart you’ll find that the sea level is going up by about a couple of millimeters per year. It’s always hard to tell how much the land is sinking (a problem in Miami due to construction on reclaimed swamps) or how much the sea is rising.

    Florida is porous; I’d be more worried about my house falling into a sinkhole.

    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @Anon7

    If their house on the oceanside represents only a few percent of their entire net worth, the house could be totally destroyed and it would hardly affect their finances. So they could still acknowledge the climate problems and also choose to live temporarily in a great but unsustainable location, both at the same time.

    Replies: @Anon7

    , @Bill Jones
    @Anon7

    There's a reason Florida real estate was such a winner for the Marx brothers.

  20. I had some job bites years ago from South Florida as I was finishing up my education. More than I would’ve anticipated and which came entirely out of the blue. I came to the conclusion, one I’ve seen validated from observations and anecdotes since, that Florida has “brain deficit” (cf. “brain drain”) problem and has to import what educated workforce it has from elsewhere. For the fourth-largest state in the union, its state university system has always punched below its weight as far as academics goes (better known for sports). They’ve always benefitted from wealthier and more educated emigres from Latin America (e.g., Cubans in the 1960s, Venezuelans today), but have never been particularly good at developing their own talent. I read somewhere years ago that Miami was one of the least-educated metro areas in the country of its size, and had among the lowest wages. Hispanic culture is, of course, not generally known for prizing intellectual achievements. I doubt a lot of fun and sun help either. (Who would want to stay in a cubicle and code for 16 hours straight when they live in Miami?)

    My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys…

    When I was going to school in the Bay Area, there was an anecdote going around from someone who had had an interview in Miami and who had stopped for a beer somewhere, leading to this exchange:

    “What’s your seasonal on-tap?”

    “Michelob Lite.”

    And, while the Latin muy macho and the muy whatever the feminine equivalent of macho gender roles aren’t ideal for tech guys (e.g., Richard, the hero of Mike Judge’s great Silicon Valley), they are at least saner and funner than transmania.

    Well… a lot of transmania is driven by trannies in tech. I’m… kind of curious how a bunch of aspergery, cannot-pass-very-well tech trannies with anime avatars would manage in an environment in which dressing lightly is a climactic requirement and there are enough real women walking around who aren’t shy about showing off their assets. Bonanza for the infamous local plastic surgery industry or a catalyst for pushing those 40+% tranny suicide numbers to the moon?

    • Replies: @DevOps Dad
    @Thomas

    I agree with you. Miami Florida has neither the necessary educational institutions nor the necessary demographics to create a physical startup hub with 100s of engineers.

    Website 24/7 Wall Street writes in a 2016 study, Miami was rated as the worst U.S. city in which to live, based on poverty, crime, income inequality and housing costs that far exceed the national median. However, what would discourage the talented the most from relocating are the crummy public schools (current dumb inhabitants).

    This is my observation and BTW, I live within walking distance of Netflix/Roku.

  21. But the virus is raging unhindered by facediapers, assburger-distancing and lockdowns in Florida. How is anyone alive there?

    • LOL: 3g4me
  22. @Anon7
    Miami is home to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Cuba, the worker's paradise.

    Direct exposure to communism is the best vaccination against Leftism.

    Replies: @Anon, @3g4me, @E. Rekshun

    Until Trump in 2020, Miami had been one of the bluest parts of Florida for a long time.

    Today’s Miami Cubans aren’t the same as those from the 1970s and 1980s. Today’s Miami Cubans (and Venezuelans) lean left and generally love big government.

  23. @vhrm
    a) Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don't naturally "fit in" that well most places, so they'll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are... bros so they'll be fine too.

    b) i'm not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that's been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise (partly because the land is also sinking since, get this, the whole continent is tilting a bit as the weight of ice in Canada is diminishing)

    Miami and its environs are practically at sea level. The whole Florida peninsula is very close to sea-level so it's not like you can move a few miles inland to higher ground either.

    They already have problems with flooding so it's not just a theoretical issue.
    (https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4)

    https://media.tbistatic.com/bistudios/_00/dev_edit/saving-our-world/miami/assets/xwmITSzL84/miami-landscape-1925x1284.jpeg

    Property developers are still developing and prices are high but i just don't see how it's going to work there on the scale of decades. Anyone have any ideas how this is going to work out ?

    Replies: @Anon7, @Wilkey, @Graham, @James Speaks

    i’m not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that’s been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise

    I was going to mention exactly this. It’s funny that so many of these guys are big climate alarmists yet most of the towns they settle in are right on the coast.

    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real – very real – but it’s hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.

    Low wage jobs are disappearing, they tell us. We need to stop sprawl, they tell us. We need to reduce our carbon footprint, they tell us. We need to drain Lake Powerll and save the Colorado River and let it flow to the see, they tell us. Oh, and we need to let half of the 650 million people move here if they bloody well want to, they tell us. How much CO2 do air conditioners put out during the 110+ degree Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada summers put out, exactly?

    I’ve lived and worked in the arid Southwest off and on for much of my life, including California, and while it’s certainly possible that some of the negative changes I’ve seen are due to climate change, it is undeniable that a lot of them are due to overpopulation. We just can’t keep taking in this many people.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @Wilkey


    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real – very real – but it’s hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.
     
    The rare Voice of Reason. Thank you.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Buzz Mohawk

    , @AnotherDad
    @Wilkey


    Low wage jobs are disappearing, they tell us. We need to stop sprawl, they tell us. We need to reduce our carbon footprint, they tell us. We need to drain Lake Powerll and save the Colorado River and let it flow to the see, they tell us. Oh, and we need to let half of the 650 million people move here if they bloody well want to, they tell us. How much CO2 do air conditioners put out during the 110+ degree Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada summers put out, exactly?
     
    Immigration is utterly inconsistent with pretty much every bullet item in the progressive playlist ... except screwing white gentiles out of their nation.

    But that lone item is the core of minoritarianism--the faux "progressivism" designed to provide cover for elite looting. So in the hierarchy it is the indispensable #1.
  24. @TruthRevolution.net
    Maybe a certain percentage hispanics gives herd immunity against both Antifa and BLM style madness?

    On the other hand, most latinos lean left. And most of the "refugees" from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    /just some incoherent brainstorming ...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @Sick 'n Tired, @AnotherDad, @Supply and Demand

    The entire region of South Florida is chock-full of latin gangsters and kleptocrats. As those two groups are bound to do wherever they are found, they are obsessed with making and keeping the appearance of legitimacy. It’s often comical watching this, as an outsider, but at some point they achieve a critical mass and their comic displays actually achieve legitimacy. Yet another way our culture is enriched by third-world immigration.

  25. For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real – very real

    Renowned MIT atmospheric physicist Prof. Richard Lindzen on why you shouldn’t worry about global warming:

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anon

    "Prof. Richard Lindzen on why you shouldn’t worry about global warming..."

    I don't worry about global warming, I do worry about habitat destruction, and more species going the way of the dodo -- you know, the stuff we were supposed to worry about before climate change became a buzzword and sucked up all the newsprint, and before wildlife preservation and keeping the planet from being covered over in asphalt and plastic became something only racist immigration-restrictionist types were concerned with (back before some of them were bought off).

    I haven't heard a good refutation of why that shouldn't bother me, and yes, that includes the "the planet is fine" bit by George Carlin.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

  26. @Wilkey
    @vhrm


    i’m not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that’s been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise
     
    I was going to mention exactly this. It's funny that so many of these guys are big climate alarmists yet most of the towns they settle in are right on the coast.

    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real - very real - but it's hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.

    Low wage jobs are disappearing, they tell us. We need to stop sprawl, they tell us. We need to reduce our carbon footprint, they tell us. We need to drain Lake Powerll and save the Colorado River and let it flow to the see, they tell us. Oh, and we need to let half of the 650 million people move here if they bloody well want to, they tell us. How much CO2 do air conditioners put out during the 110+ degree Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada summers put out, exactly?

    I've lived and worked in the arid Southwest off and on for much of my life, including California, and while it's certainly possible that some of the negative changes I've seen are due to climate change, it is undeniable that a lot of them are due to overpopulation. We just can't keep taking in this many people.

    Replies: @Polistra, @AnotherDad

    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real – very real – but it’s hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.

    The rare Voice of Reason. Thank you.

    • Agree: ic1000, HammerJack
    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    @Polistra

    See, these are the types of political ideologies that conservatives should adopt. Climate change very bad, more immigrants makes it worse. If only to put liberals in a conundrum.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Polistra

    Earth's climate is changing. It has always changed. There is nothing we can do about it. The key to the current politicization of this long-established, scientific fact is the question of whether or not humans are causing the current warming.

    If they are, then maybe they should consider doing something about it. Maybe, but it has not been established that they do have anything to do with it. Furthermore, Earth was already in a warming period before the Industrial Revolution began.

    "Global Warming"™, "Climate Change"™ or whatever you want to call it is a fact and will be a fact.

    Prepare for more warming, and everything it will cause, because it will continue and there is nothing you or anybody else can do about it. Most important: Don't allow anyone to lower your standard of living or to change how you live because of it. That's really what is going on here.

  27. Miami is a strange place. Full of based Cubans, but a lot of mindless other immigrants who would sell everybody elses freedom for a fancier car.
    Leftists like to pretend Miami is just as liberal and loony as any other city, but the actual people in Miami don’t give a damn.

    As for cultural fit. Well the “hispanic panic” upbeat and dramatic ways of these people would make the typical “Seattle Freeze” coding autist SJW have anxiety attacks and apply for service hedgehogs or something.

    The only stain on Florida are the transplants from New York and New Jersey. But that’s mainly to the north from Boca on through to Jupiter. Miami and southward has been too expensive for retirees since the late 1990s. They have been polluting Orange, Osceola, and the Tampa Bay area since.

  28. @Polistra
    @Wilkey


    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real – very real – but it’s hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.
     
    The rare Voice of Reason. Thank you.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Buzz Mohawk

    See, these are the types of political ideologies that conservatives should adopt. Climate change very bad, more immigrants makes it worse. If only to put liberals in a conundrum.

  29. Jupiter, Florida has been very successful at attracting hedge funds to move there for the last decade or so.

  30. Nothing demonstrates the undoubtable reality of climate change like rich people snapping up coastal property and making their employees move to a swamp.

  31. How does Tampa compare to Miami?

  32. @Anon
    Watching the Tech Bros pretend they've discovered Miami has been one of the funniest things online over the past few months. Miami must have one of the least-educated workforces in all of America, but I guess we're supposed to believe none of the non-Big Tech CEOs have ever looked at Miami and figured that out. Hey, who needs smart workers when you have a lot of sun?

    Living in Miami is like dealing with Uber's customer service all day, every day. In a lot of ways, Big Tech and Miami are a match made in hell.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ed

    Miami’s cost of living as compared to salaries is likely even worse than the Bay Area. And now it will only get worse.

    As for an educated populace, they are going to miss having Stanford and UC nearby. U of M is not known as a STEM school. The more reputable STEM programs in the state are at U. if Florida and UCF. Both of which fuel Orlando, which was already known as the most tech-heavy metro area in Florida.

    • Replies: @J.W.
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Exactly. Miami (Beach) is like NYC: Great place to live if you're already rich. For everyone else, it's a struggle to survive, let alone move up the ladder.

  33. I believe the expression you are looking for is muy calor!

  34. South Florida is such a crap place to live. They are paying millions to live in an absolute hellhole- mansion or not it really sucks to live down there.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @Thea

    Have you been to South Florida? Expensive, but a crap hole it is not. I would move to the upper Keys if I could afford it.

    Replies: @Thea, @Thea

  35. @Anon7
    @vhrm

    Climate change doomsayers Obama and Gore have both spent a fortune to live next to the ocean, just a few feet above sea level. What does that tell you about the doctrine of imminent ruinous sea level rise?

    Also, if you look up Miami tide gauge chart you'll find that the sea level is going up by about a couple of millimeters per year. It's always hard to tell how much the land is sinking (a problem in Miami due to construction on reclaimed swamps) or how much the sea is rising.

    Florida is porous; I'd be more worried about my house falling into a sinkhole.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Bill Jones

    If their house on the oceanside represents only a few percent of their entire net worth, the house could be totally destroyed and it would hardly affect their finances. So they could still acknowledge the climate problems and also choose to live temporarily in a great but unsustainable location, both at the same time.

    • Replies: @Anon7
    @Mike_from_SGV

    I suppose you're right, but note that Barack Obama's net worth is somewhere around 70 million, and his Martha's Vineyard house is 12 million, that's 17 percent of his net worth sliding uselessly into the ocean any day now, or at least in the lifetimes of his children, if climate change alarmists are to be believed.

    Gore on the other hand owns a ten million dollar beach house on 200 million net worth, so not quite as bad.

    The "optics" are confusing, anyway.

  36. Miami would probably be a good fit for a company that is outsourcing all of its technical work to India, the Ukraine, or Russia while leaving management, marketing, and finance in the company HQ. That way the company will not be affected by having to get technical types to move to Miami and then move somewhere else when the company fails.

    That is why Austin is a better fit. Technical types on the ground who can move among all of the companies in Austin.

    Also, what is the non-compete employment law situation in Florida. California has always benefitted from banning non-compete clauses in employment contracts.

  37. @vhrm
    a) Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don't naturally "fit in" that well most places, so they'll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are... bros so they'll be fine too.

    b) i'm not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that's been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise (partly because the land is also sinking since, get this, the whole continent is tilting a bit as the weight of ice in Canada is diminishing)

    Miami and its environs are practically at sea level. The whole Florida peninsula is very close to sea-level so it's not like you can move a few miles inland to higher ground either.

    They already have problems with flooding so it's not just a theoretical issue.
    (https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4)

    https://media.tbistatic.com/bistudios/_00/dev_edit/saving-our-world/miami/assets/xwmITSzL84/miami-landscape-1925x1284.jpeg

    Property developers are still developing and prices are high but i just don't see how it's going to work there on the scale of decades. Anyone have any ideas how this is going to work out ?

    Replies: @Anon7, @Wilkey, @Graham, @James Speaks

    “Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don’t naturally “fit in” that well most places, so they’ll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are… bros so they’ll be fine too.”

    Absolutely. All we need (I am a tech guy) is a good internet connection, somewhere to get decent craft beer, peace and quiet to work, and a gym or a beach or a jogging trail for exercise.

    • Replies: @guest007
    @Graham

    The tech bros were not in San Francisco but in silicon valley near Stanford, NASA, DoD, and a bunch of early high tech businesses. Also, California laws made it easy to hop among employers. That is why early competitors to Silicon valley failed such as Salt Lake City, Boise, and Boston.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Graham

    "All we need (I am a tech guy)"

    Diapers. I heard tech guys need easy access to a large supply of diapers due to trouser spoilage.

    "decent craft beer"

    Another tech guy cliche. How about craft barbers to craft the fussy beards that somehow make tech guys look even more feminine? Is DOJ operative Gavin McInnes considered a tech guy by tech guys? He has a fussy facial hair.

    , @anon
    @Graham

    All we need (I am a tech guy) is a good internet connection, somewhere to get decent craft beer, peace and quiet to work, and a gym or a beach or a jogging trail for exercise.

    Plus a reliable supply of electricity and water, reliable communications, secure surroundings, reliable retail outlets, and other things implied but not listed. All of us in North America tend to take certain things for granted, tech guys included. Friends of mine who rode out a couple of hurricanes in Florida happen to have extra things lying around their property, such as gensets, reserves of water, reserves of food, reserves of fuel for the genset, and so forth.

    Plus: "Personnel is policy" does not just apply to organized companies, it also applies to towns, cities and entire societies. We'll see how the whole "Miami escape" thing plays out.

  38. @Patrick in SC
    No state income tax in Florida?

    Replies: @guest007

    There might be corporate income taxes just not personal income taxes. Also, Florida allows non-compete agreements that are death to high tech jobs.

  39. @Graham
    @vhrm

    "Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don’t naturally “fit in” that well most places, so they’ll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are… bros so they’ll be fine too."

    Absolutely. All we need (I am a tech guy) is a good internet connection, somewhere to get decent craft beer, peace and quiet to work, and a gym or a beach or a jogging trail for exercise.

    Replies: @guest007, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon

    The tech bros were not in San Francisco but in silicon valley near Stanford, NASA, DoD, and a bunch of early high tech businesses. Also, California laws made it easy to hop among employers. That is why early competitors to Silicon valley failed such as Salt Lake City, Boise, and Boston.

  40. @Anonymous

    My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys
     
    It's not. Culturally, Miami is basically Latino/Cuban + NYC. It's long been a destination/hangout for NYC finance types, shady Russian and Israeli business types, etc. Of course it's long attracted mob types - going back to Al Capone who retired there - but even the legitimate business types and the Cubans there have a gaudy, gangsterish vibe.

    The main "tech" people promoting the move to Miami tend to be gay VC types who are more in the finance side of things in tech like Keith Rabois. Miami is one of the major gay cities in the US.

    The Miami business scene and political leadership are sharks who see the tech guys as naive marks .

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Your first paragraph illustrates why Miami is so alluring: it’s a den of pirates. I spent time there in the early 90s when our POTUS, the truly shady H.W. Bush, was having his war on drugs fun. Beautiful beaches, bonerific young women in bikinis, beautiful ocean. Really was a paradise for a young man with a military grade haircut. I still hear its siren call; but the humidity is quite something. And when you go inland the bug life becomes prehistoric.

  41. @Anon
    Moving to Florida is great--until the Dodobirds who move there realize Florida gets a Cat 3 hurricane or worse ever 4.5 years, and a Cat 4 or worse every 7.5 years. Having homes flattened from time to time is why Florida still has some reasonably priced real estate. It's Florida's dirty little secret.

    People do move away from Florida because they didn't budget for a disaster and got wiped out.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Abolish_public_education

    Don’t live in Florida but have been through many Cat 3 hurricanes. It’s not as bad as you think unless you live directly on the water. Or have a lot of trees within striking distance of your roof (pines and oaks especially, others aren’t as unstable).

    Now a strong Cat 5 like Hurricane Michael is admittedly another story. Drove through the area that was hit by it recently and it still looks like a bomb went off, though it’s been 2 years. Those are quite rare, and the worst damage is contained to a fairly small area. So a Cat 4 every 7.5 years doesn’t mean the entire peninsula of Florida gets wrecked.

  42. The whole of the Miami area is a horrible morass of gated housing enclaves and freeways. I would hate to live there.

    On the other hand the Miami and Fort Lauderdale airports provide easy access to many fun Caribbean and South American destinations, and the Miami airport does have the best airport cafeteria in America.

    So if you want to get away from Miami and you have the money, you can easily do so.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Jonathan Mason

    "cafeteria"

    A great old-timey word. Thanks for using it.

  43. @Graham
    @vhrm

    "Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don’t naturally “fit in” that well most places, so they’ll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are… bros so they’ll be fine too."

    Absolutely. All we need (I am a tech guy) is a good internet connection, somewhere to get decent craft beer, peace and quiet to work, and a gym or a beach or a jogging trail for exercise.

    Replies: @guest007, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon

    “All we need (I am a tech guy)”

    Diapers. I heard tech guys need easy access to a large supply of diapers due to trouser spoilage.

    “decent craft beer”

    Another tech guy cliche. How about craft barbers to craft the fussy beards that somehow make tech guys look even more feminine? Is DOJ operative Gavin McInnes considered a tech guy by tech guys? He has a fussy facial hair.

  44. @Jonathan Mason
    The whole of the Miami area is a horrible morass of gated housing enclaves and freeways. I would hate to live there.

    On the other hand the Miami and Fort Lauderdale airports provide easy access to many fun Caribbean and South American destinations, and the Miami airport does have the best airport cafeteria in America.

    So if you want to get away from Miami and you have the money, you can easily do so.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    “cafeteria”

    A great old-timey word. Thanks for using it.

  45. @TruthRevolution.net
    Maybe a certain percentage hispanics gives herd immunity against both Antifa and BLM style madness?

    On the other hand, most latinos lean left. And most of the "refugees" from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    /just some incoherent brainstorming ...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @Sick 'n Tired, @AnotherDad, @Supply and Demand

    This sounds like it’s going to be a great time to be a coke dealer.

  46. @Farenheit
    yes, but do tech guys like wearing pastel leisure suites?

    Replies: @Morton's toes

    There are only about 15 days a year when a hoodie is comfortable apparel in Miami. If you want to be a big monkey there you need to spend plenty of time lifting weights.

  47. @Reg Cæsar

    Francis X. Suarez
     
    Another F.X., Reid, wrote:

    First, he sat and faced the console
    Faced the glowing, humming console
    Typed his login at the keyboard
    Typed his password (fourteen letters)
    Waited till the system answered
    Waited long and cursed its slowness



    https://www.roadaffair.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/hammock-working-laptop-shutterstock_655268110-1024x683.jpg

    Replies: @Crawfurdmuir

    First, he sat and faced the console
    Faced the glowing, humming console
    Typed his login at the keyboard
    Typed his password (fourteen letters)
    Waited till the system answered
    Waited long and cursed its slowness

    Another great parody!

    I’m sure some literary critic somewhere has noted that the trochaic tetrameter of The Song of Hiawatha was widely used liturgically in the Middle Ages. The Dies iræ and the Stabat mater are well known examples. These sequences were parodied just as you and F. X. Reid parody Longfellow:

    Iam lucis orto sidere,
    statim oportet bibere:
    bibamus nunc egregie
    et rebibamus hodie.

    Quicunque vult esse frater,
    bibat semel, bis, ter, quater:
    bibat semel et secundo,
    donec nihil sit in fundo.

    Bibat ille, bibat illa,
    bibat servus et ancilla,
    bibat hera, bibat herus,
    ad bibendum nemo serus.

    Potatoribus pro cunctis,
    pro captivis et defunctis,
    pro imperatore et papa,
    bibo vinum sine aqua.

    Haec est fides potatica,
    sociorum spes unica,
    qui bene non potaverit,
    salvus esse non poterit.

    Longisima potatio
    sit nobis salutatio:
    et duret ista ratio
    per infinita secula.

    Amen.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Crawfurdmuir


    I’m sure some literary critic somewhere has noted that the trochaic tetrameter of The Song of Hiawatha was widely used liturgically in the Middle Ages.
     
    I wonder if that's where the Finns got it. (Longfellow heard Finnish while in Sweden, possibly the Kalevala itself.) It fits their language even better than it does Latin.

    It would be like an imported Portuguese mini-guitar becoming the national instrument of Hawaii.

    Or it could have been indigenous to Finland.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Crawfurdmuir

    Thanks for expanding my education - I'd never heard of the Goliards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliard


    "The goliards were a group of clergy, generally young, in Europe who wrote satirical Latin poetry in the 12th and 13th centuries of the Middle Ages. They were chiefly clerics who served at or had studied at the universities of France, Germany, Spain, Italy, and England, who protested against the growing contradictions within the church through song, poetry and performance. Disaffected and not called to the religious life..."
     
    http://wpwt.soton.ac.uk/notes/contraf.htm

    Sacred to secular

    Examples of this can be found particularly in Goliardic verse, which sometimes parodies the forms of hymns and the church services; for instance, the first line of the sixth-century Latin hymn for Prime, Iam lucis orto sidere, which celebrates control of both the emotions and the appetites (potus cibique parcitas, 'restraint in food and drink'), is borrowed to introduce a twelfth-century drinking song:

    Iam lucis orto sidere
    Deum precamur supplices
    ut in diurnis actibus
    Nos servet a nocentibus . . .

    Now at the dawning of the day
    To God as suppliants we pray
    That from our daily round he may
    All harmful beings keep away . . .

    becomes:

    Iam lucis orto sidere
    statim oportet bibere;
    Bibamus nunc egregie
    Et rebibamus hodie . . .

    Now at the dawning of the day
    We must start drinking straight away;
    Let's drink now till the drink's all gone,
    And have another later on . . .

    (Texts from F.J.E. Raby, ed., The Oxford Book of Medieval Latin Verse (Oxford: Clarendon, 1959), nos. 41 (p. 53) and 237 (pp. 362-3); my translations).

     

  48. anon[322] • Disclaimer says:
    @Graham
    @vhrm

    "Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don’t naturally “fit in” that well most places, so they’ll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are… bros so they’ll be fine too."

    Absolutely. All we need (I am a tech guy) is a good internet connection, somewhere to get decent craft beer, peace and quiet to work, and a gym or a beach or a jogging trail for exercise.

    Replies: @guest007, @SunBakedSuburb, @anon

    All we need (I am a tech guy) is a good internet connection, somewhere to get decent craft beer, peace and quiet to work, and a gym or a beach or a jogging trail for exercise.

    Plus a reliable supply of electricity and water, reliable communications, secure surroundings, reliable retail outlets, and other things implied but not listed. All of us in North America tend to take certain things for granted, tech guys included. Friends of mine who rode out a couple of hurricanes in Florida happen to have extra things lying around their property, such as gensets, reserves of water, reserves of food, reserves of fuel for the genset, and so forth.

    Plus: “Personnel is policy” does not just apply to organized companies, it also applies to towns, cities and entire societies. We’ll see how the whole “Miami escape” thing plays out.

  49. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Reg Cæsar


    First, he sat and faced the console
    Faced the glowing, humming console
    Typed his login at the keyboard
    Typed his password (fourteen letters)
    Waited till the system answered
    Waited long and cursed its slowness
     
    Another great parody!

    I'm sure some literary critic somewhere has noted that the trochaic tetrameter of The Song of Hiawatha was widely used liturgically in the Middle Ages. The Dies iræ and the Stabat mater are well known examples. These sequences were parodied just as you and F. X. Reid parody Longfellow:

    Iam lucis orto sidere,
    statim oportet bibere:
    bibamus nunc egregie
    et rebibamus hodie.

    Quicunque vult esse frater,
    bibat semel, bis, ter, quater:
    bibat semel et secundo,
    donec nihil sit in fundo.

    Bibat ille, bibat illa,
    bibat servus et ancilla,
    bibat hera, bibat herus,
    ad bibendum nemo serus.

    Potatoribus pro cunctis,
    pro captivis et defunctis,
    pro imperatore et papa,
    bibo vinum sine aqua.

    Haec est fides potatica,
    sociorum spes unica,
    qui bene non potaverit,
    salvus esse non poterit.

    Longisima potatio
    sit nobis salutatio:
    et duret ista ratio
    per infinita secula.

    Amen.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon

    I’m sure some literary critic somewhere has noted that the trochaic tetrameter of The Song of Hiawatha was widely used liturgically in the Middle Ages.

    I wonder if that’s where the Finns got it. (Longfellow heard Finnish while in Sweden, possibly the Kalevala itself.) It fits their language even better than it does Latin.

    It would be like an imported Portuguese mini-guitar becoming the national instrument of Hawaii.

    Or it could have been indigenous to Finland.

  50. @Anon
    Moving to Florida is great--until the Dodobirds who move there realize Florida gets a Cat 3 hurricane or worse ever 4.5 years, and a Cat 4 or worse every 7.5 years. Having homes flattened from time to time is why Florida still has some reasonably priced real estate. It's Florida's dirty little secret.

    People do move away from Florida because they didn't budget for a disaster and got wiped out.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @Abolish_public_education

    A northeastern, elderly relative retired to MB. A few years later, she moved back.

    The ambulance sirens, day and night, drove her nuts.

    @#20 (Thom)

    I’ve known some pretty smart people who graduated from UF. They established their careers in CA.

  51. Good, those techie soyadeen need to start behaving like men.

  52. Miami is vulnerable to hurricanes, which makes it an odd choice for a tech hub, although Big Tech did just fine in earthquake-prone California.

    However, the sea level and flooding stories are MSM nonsense. Miami Beach doesn’t flood because of climate change. Miami Beach floods because it’s been massively overbuilt since the 1990s. Rainwater simply has nowhere to go, so the streets flood.

  53. @Crawfurdmuir
    @Reg Cæsar


    First, he sat and faced the console
    Faced the glowing, humming console
    Typed his login at the keyboard
    Typed his password (fourteen letters)
    Waited till the system answered
    Waited long and cursed its slowness
     
    Another great parody!

    I'm sure some literary critic somewhere has noted that the trochaic tetrameter of The Song of Hiawatha was widely used liturgically in the Middle Ages. The Dies iræ and the Stabat mater are well known examples. These sequences were parodied just as you and F. X. Reid parody Longfellow:

    Iam lucis orto sidere,
    statim oportet bibere:
    bibamus nunc egregie
    et rebibamus hodie.

    Quicunque vult esse frater,
    bibat semel, bis, ter, quater:
    bibat semel et secundo,
    donec nihil sit in fundo.

    Bibat ille, bibat illa,
    bibat servus et ancilla,
    bibat hera, bibat herus,
    ad bibendum nemo serus.

    Potatoribus pro cunctis,
    pro captivis et defunctis,
    pro imperatore et papa,
    bibo vinum sine aqua.

    Haec est fides potatica,
    sociorum spes unica,
    qui bene non potaverit,
    salvus esse non poterit.

    Longisima potatio
    sit nobis salutatio:
    et duret ista ratio
    per infinita secula.

    Amen.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks for expanding my education – I’d never heard of the Goliards.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliard

    “The goliards were a group of clergy, generally young, in Europe who wrote satirical Latin poetry in the 12th and 13th centuries of the Middle Ages. They were chiefly clerics who served at or had studied at the universities of France, Germany, Spain, Italy, and England, who protested against the growing contradictions within the church through song, poetry and performance. Disaffected and not called to the religious life…”

    http://wpwt.soton.ac.uk/notes/contraf.htm

    Sacred to secular

    Examples of this can be found particularly in Goliardic verse, which sometimes parodies the forms of hymns and the church services; for instance, the first line of the sixth-century Latin hymn for Prime, Iam lucis orto sidere, which celebrates control of both the emotions and the appetites (potus cibique parcitas, ‘restraint in food and drink’), is borrowed to introduce a twelfth-century drinking song:

    Iam lucis orto sidere
    Deum precamur supplices
    ut in diurnis actibus
    Nos servet a nocentibus . . .

    Now at the dawning of the day
    To God as suppliants we pray
    That from our daily round he may
    All harmful beings keep away . . .

    becomes:

    Iam lucis orto sidere
    statim oportet bibere;
    Bibamus nunc egregie
    Et rebibamus hodie . . .

    Now at the dawning of the day
    We must start drinking straight away;
    Let’s drink now till the drink’s all gone,
    And have another later on . . .

    (Texts from F.J.E. Raby, ed., The Oxford Book of Medieval Latin Verse (Oxford: Clarendon, 1959), nos. 41 (p. 53) and 237 (pp. 362-3); my translations).

  54. @Dave Pinsen
    Balaji Srinivasan was one of the Silicon Valley techies talking up Miami, but now he’s decamped for India and Singapore.

    https://twitter.com/dpinsen/status/1355092943481266177?s=21

    Replies: @BenKenobi, @3g4me

    @7 Dave Pinsen: Gee, ultimately genetics>culture>politics. Who knew? And what of all your co-ethnic hedge fund folks or Hollywood moguls? Have they ever not followed everything back to blood? Can you even admit their issues are genetic in nature? Sailer’s site, the ultimate sink and gatekeeper for those who think HBD matters . . . but only in others, and only in some cases.

  55. @Anon7
    Miami is home to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Cuba, the worker's paradise.

    Direct exposure to communism is the best vaccination against Leftism.

    Replies: @Anon, @3g4me, @E. Rekshun

    @18 Anon7: You’re waaaay behind the times, sugarbritches. We live in the demograpic age, not the ideological age. Direct exposure to diversity is the best vaccination against multiculturalism. And Cubans are not White Europeans, regardless of their political ‘ism.”

  56. @Anon

    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real – very real
     
    Renowned MIT atmospheric physicist Prof. Richard Lindzen on why you shouldn’t worry about global warming:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pwvVephTIHU

    Replies: @HA

    “Prof. Richard Lindzen on why you shouldn’t worry about global warming…”

    I don’t worry about global warming, I do worry about habitat destruction, and more species going the way of the dodo — you know, the stuff we were supposed to worry about before climate change became a buzzword and sucked up all the newsprint, and before wildlife preservation and keeping the planet from being covered over in asphalt and plastic became something only racist immigration-restrictionist types were concerned with (back before some of them were bought off).

    I haven’t heard a good refutation of why that shouldn’t bother me, and yes, that includes the “the planet is fine” bit by George Carlin.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    @HA

    I couldn't agree more.

    The other day I was reading the official line about global warming and I thought to myself, "Why are the economists and politicians supportive of people migrating from the tropics to higher latitudes? After all, the sun provides all the energy tropical people need whereas life in the higher latitudes requires burning fossil fuels for warmth, cars to drive to work in and so on. They're talking of carbon capture etc.when none of this would be necessary if Africans and Central Americans just stayed home. Ecologically, this simply makes no sense. What's really going on here?"

    What they're telling us and what they're really up to are not the same thing.

  57. @Mike_from_SGV
    @Anon7

    If their house on the oceanside represents only a few percent of their entire net worth, the house could be totally destroyed and it would hardly affect their finances. So they could still acknowledge the climate problems and also choose to live temporarily in a great but unsustainable location, both at the same time.

    Replies: @Anon7

    I suppose you’re right, but note that Barack Obama’s net worth is somewhere around 70 million, and his Martha’s Vineyard house is 12 million, that’s 17 percent of his net worth sliding uselessly into the ocean any day now, or at least in the lifetimes of his children, if climate change alarmists are to be believed.

    Gore on the other hand owns a ten million dollar beach house on 200 million net worth, so not quite as bad.

    The “optics” are confusing, anyway.

  58. @Anon7
    Miami is home to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Cuba, the worker's paradise.

    Direct exposure to communism is the best vaccination against Leftism.

    Replies: @Anon, @3g4me, @E. Rekshun

    Miami is home to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Cuba, the worker’s paradise.

    Direct exposure to communism is the best vaccination against Leftism.

    Each successive generation of Cuban refugee becomes increasingly liberal.

    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @E. Rekshun

    Not anymore than whites (excepting Southerners and whites from the Plains states, who remain conservative generation through generation).

    I don’t see Cuban girls with purple hair.

  59. @Achmed E. Newman
    #MiamiBeachTooBlack

    I'm here to tell you. I've only been the one time. Way too black. Don't get your hopes up, "techies".

    (I don't know about the city itself.)

    Replies: @Anon, @E. Rekshun

    Way too black.

    I lived on Miami Beach for several years throughout the ’90s, while it was completing its transition from a low-cost Jewish retirement community to an international tourist and party destination.

    Today, the Northeastern blacks visit en mass for Memorial Day weekend but, according to census.gov, the MB is only 4% black; however, it is 56% foreign-born.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @E. Rekshun

    I guess they were all tourists, but they almost ruined it. Loud, obnoxious, obese ...

    It wasn't near Memorial Day. I'd say "check again", but I don't wish that on you.

    , @Alden
    @E. Rekshun

    Blacks visit Miami? Excellent reason to avoid Miami. Tech moving to Texas and Florida? Good, leave California and take every Asian and Indian worker with you.

  60. @JimDandy
    I'd love to see a Florida Congressional seat open up so Trump could run for it in a special election. Ha ha ha ha! Yeehaw!

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @AnotherDad

    Ok, that would be funny. I don’t want him back as President, but that would be about perfect.

    • Agree: vhrm
  61. @NJ Transit Commuter
    Don’t forget, no state income tax in Florida. If you are clearing a seven figure annual income, state income tax can take a big bite of that in places like CA and NY.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt

    Yeah, when I start to withdraw pre-tax dollars from the ol’ 401k, FL and TN look better and better.

  62. @vhrm
    a) Tech guys of old and the nerdy tech guys of new don't naturally "fit in" that well most places, so they'll make do. Would Miami be less hospitable than, say, 90s San Francisco? The tech bros are... bros so they'll be fine too.

    b) i'm not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that's been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise (partly because the land is also sinking since, get this, the whole continent is tilting a bit as the weight of ice in Canada is diminishing)

    Miami and its environs are practically at sea level. The whole Florida peninsula is very close to sea-level so it's not like you can move a few miles inland to higher ground either.

    They already have problems with flooding so it's not just a theoretical issue.
    (https://www.businessinsider.com/miami-floods-sea-level-rise-solutions-2018-4)

    https://media.tbistatic.com/bistudios/_00/dev_edit/saving-our-world/miami/assets/xwmITSzL84/miami-landscape-1925x1284.jpeg

    Property developers are still developing and prices are high but i just don't see how it's going to work there on the scale of decades. Anyone have any ideas how this is going to work out ?

    Replies: @Anon7, @Wilkey, @Graham, @James Speaks

    Sea level rise relastive to land elevation in Miami will be first felt in:
    a) Property insurance. It gets to be expensive.
    b) Local property taxes, especially when bonds won’t float b/c nobody wants to buy a 30 year note when the issuing agency may be insolvent in ten.
    c) The canals have low bridges over them. If the boat owner can’t get his boat out b/c it no longer fits under the dridge, property values plummet.

  63. @HA
    @Anon

    "Prof. Richard Lindzen on why you shouldn’t worry about global warming..."

    I don't worry about global warming, I do worry about habitat destruction, and more species going the way of the dodo -- you know, the stuff we were supposed to worry about before climate change became a buzzword and sucked up all the newsprint, and before wildlife preservation and keeping the planet from being covered over in asphalt and plastic became something only racist immigration-restrictionist types were concerned with (back before some of them were bought off).

    I haven't heard a good refutation of why that shouldn't bother me, and yes, that includes the "the planet is fine" bit by George Carlin.

    Replies: @ThreeCranes

    I couldn’t agree more.

    The other day I was reading the official line about global warming and I thought to myself, “Why are the economists and politicians supportive of people migrating from the tropics to higher latitudes? After all, the sun provides all the energy tropical people need whereas life in the higher latitudes requires burning fossil fuels for warmth, cars to drive to work in and so on. They’re talking of carbon capture etc.when none of this would be necessary if Africans and Central Americans just stayed home. Ecologically, this simply makes no sense. What’s really going on here?”

    What they’re telling us and what they’re really up to are not the same thing.

    • Agree: HA
  64. @TruthRevolution.net
    Maybe a certain percentage hispanics gives herd immunity against both Antifa and BLM style madness?

    On the other hand, most latinos lean left. And most of the "refugees" from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    /just some incoherent brainstorming ...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @Sick 'n Tired, @AnotherDad, @Supply and Demand

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    Separation is the critically important concept–to understand, talk about, promote.

    The core reality is you can’t have anything nice if you don’t keep other people–who didn’t work for it or don’t contribute to it–from glomming onto it/you.

    What we have in the US is that the parasites have conducted a coup, taken over the joint and have been doing a bust-out. All covered/justified by minoritarian blather.

    What is necessary if for the host population to say “Uh … no. You know we’d be just fine without you guys. We aren’t your serfs. We have every right to run our own affairs and don’t need you around.”

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @AnotherDad


    What we have in the US is that the parasites have conducted a coup, taken over the joint and have been doing a bust-out. All covered/justified by minoritarian blather.

    What is necessary if for the host population to say “Uh … no. You know we’d be just fine without you guys. We aren’t your serfs. We have every right to run our own affairs and don’t need you around.”
     
    I was watching this movie yesterday about a boyfriend and girlfriend raising an alien dropped into their midst and after bringing it up to age are just tossed away after they have been used by the aliens.

    An apt metaphor for your description of what is being done to us right now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FtHOApNMV4
    , @Anonymous
    @AnotherDad

    That's segregation you're describing, and it's never, ever coming back.

  65. @Wilkey
    @vhrm


    i’m not a climate alarmist, but one thing that seems weird to me about the Miami boom that’s been going on the past decade is sea level rise. Regardless of what happens with CO2 emissions the sea level is rising and will continue to rise
     
    I was going to mention exactly this. It's funny that so many of these guys are big climate alarmists yet most of the towns they settle in are right on the coast.

    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real - very real - but it's hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.

    Low wage jobs are disappearing, they tell us. We need to stop sprawl, they tell us. We need to reduce our carbon footprint, they tell us. We need to drain Lake Powerll and save the Colorado River and let it flow to the see, they tell us. Oh, and we need to let half of the 650 million people move here if they bloody well want to, they tell us. How much CO2 do air conditioners put out during the 110+ degree Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada summers put out, exactly?

    I've lived and worked in the arid Southwest off and on for much of my life, including California, and while it's certainly possible that some of the negative changes I've seen are due to climate change, it is undeniable that a lot of them are due to overpopulation. We just can't keep taking in this many people.

    Replies: @Polistra, @AnotherDad

    Low wage jobs are disappearing, they tell us. We need to stop sprawl, they tell us. We need to reduce our carbon footprint, they tell us. We need to drain Lake Powerll and save the Colorado River and let it flow to the see, they tell us. Oh, and we need to let half of the 650 million people move here if they bloody well want to, they tell us. How much CO2 do air conditioners put out during the 110+ degree Arizona/New Mexico/Nevada summers put out, exactly?

    Immigration is utterly inconsistent with pretty much every bullet item in the progressive playlist … except screwing white gentiles out of their nation.

    But that lone item is the core of minoritarianism–the faux “progressivism” designed to provide cover for elite looting. So in the hierarchy it is the indispensable #1.

  66. @JimDandy
    I'd love to see a Florida Congressional seat open up so Trump could run for it in a special election. Ha ha ha ha! Yeehaw!

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @AnotherDad

    I’d love to see a Florida Congressional seat open up so Trump could run for it in a special election. Ha ha ha ha! Yeehaw!

    Trump has zero–sub-zero–interest in a Congressional seat. That would be beneath him. Anything less than the Presidency is beneath him.

    Trump has little interest in politics. As this election cycle proved, Trump has no interest in conservatism, nationalism, the survival of the American nation. Trump’s sole interest is …. Donald J. Trump.

    He had his use in pointing the way for Republicans and exposing the utter depravity of our elites. But let us never hear from the guy again. Real Americans–conservatives/nationalists–deserve better–much better.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    You're letting your Never Trumper TDS scatter your thoughts all over the place. This is your central position:

    "Trump’s sole interest is …. Donald J. Trump."

    If that's true, it doesn't preclude him running for Congress. Such a move would be:

    A.) Hilarious (Trump likes cracking himself and others [but especially himself] up).
    B.) A way for him to effectively circumvent the mass censorship the establishment is currently subjecting him to.
    C.) A great platform from which to launch his 2024 comeback campaign.

    Replies: @International Jew, @TomSchmidt

  67. @Thea
    South Florida is such a crap place to live. They are paying millions to live in an absolute hellhole- mansion or not it really sucks to live down there.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Have you been to South Florida? Expensive, but a crap hole it is not. I would move to the upper Keys if I could afford it.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @S. Anonyia

    I grew up in Palm Beach County. Moving there in grade school was the single most traumatic event I my life. Muggy and hot and full of bugs. All year, no respite. No natural beauty apart from the beach. I ran for the hills when I graduated.

    Culture and education completely lacking. Rude selfish people.


    Even mansions can’t keep the insects out.

    , @Thea
    @S. Anonyia

    I feel like I should apologize because the awfulness of South Florida is a particular bug bear for me. I could go on for hours about all the horrible nuances of life there.

    Maybe it is really me that is defective. every day for 10 years I went to bed praying to move back up north even if it meant poverty.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

  68. @E. Rekshun
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Way too black.

    I lived on Miami Beach for several years throughout the '90s, while it was completing its transition from a low-cost Jewish retirement community to an international tourist and party destination.

    Today, the Northeastern blacks visit en mass for Memorial Day weekend but, according to census.gov, the MB is only 4% black; however, it is 56% foreign-born.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

    I guess they were all tourists, but they almost ruined it. Loud, obnoxious, obese …

    It wasn’t near Memorial Day. I’d say “check again”, but I don’t wish that on you.

  69. @E. Rekshun
    @Anon7

    Miami is home to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Cuba, the worker’s paradise.

    Direct exposure to communism is the best vaccination against Leftism.


    Each successive generation of Cuban refugee becomes increasingly liberal.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia

    Not anymore than whites (excepting Southerners and whites from the Plains states, who remain conservative generation through generation).

    I don’t see Cuban girls with purple hair.

  70. Steve Sailer:

    “My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys, but it increasingly has its advantages. The Latino political leadership doesn’t take African-American complaints seriously. And, while the Latin muy macho and the muy whatever the feminine equivalent of macho gender roles aren’t ideal for tech guys (e.g., Richard, the hero of Mike Judge’s great Silicon Valley), they are at least saner and funner than transmania.

    Oh, I don’t know if the cult of macho is “saner” than transmania. I find super-macho guys a much bigger threat than some pansy that likes to dress in drag and make a vagina out of his anal sphincter. I mean, super-masculine guys have a well-deserved reputation for causing a *lot* of heartache. Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Alexander, Cortez…I much prefer the “insanity” of trannies over the “sanity” of extreme gender-typical behavior, at least when it comes to male gender-typical behavior. Highly masculine men are dangerous; effeminate homosexuals are not. The problem with us as a species, I feel, is that we like to pretend that extreme gender-typical male behavior, like starting wars and murdering those who “diss” us, is somehow “normal”, because there isn’t much that we can do to stop it, The history of primate masculinity on the planet is an extremely depressing one of endless predation, warfare, exploitation and mayhem. Somehow, we find a male that likes to dress like a woman but wouldn’t hurt a fly less “normal” than the behavior of a macho guy that murders people for reasons of dominance. We deride Liberace, but praise someone like Chris Kyle, who was a stone-killer that earned his living blowing the brains out of human beings. His macho behavior is celebrated, while a man dressing in drag is derided, despite being harmless. I don’t get it. We, as a species, have a seriously skewed notion of what “normalcy” is. Sorry for digressing…

    Anyway, you are right about the emphasis Latino culture puts on gender-dimorphic behavior. I was in Miami in 2018, and what really called my attention is that the fact that so many Cuban girls still wear skirts even now. I seldom if ever see Anglo women in other parts of the country wearing skirts nowadays, but skirts and makeup are huge for girls in Miami even now. Those Cuban women are really something…their combinaton of ivory skin and very dark hair is extremely lovely.

    And Latino men do act over-the-top macho all the time. From talking loudly and cursing(because that’s how Real Men assert themselves), to endless braggadocio about how badass they are, to never allowing themselves to show self-doubt or weakness, etc, to being extremely promiscuous and proud of it, etc, they are like a Society of Fernando Llamas. It’s entertaining for a while, but then gets tiresome.

    And you are right that it is not a nice place for tech guys. Those beautiful Cuban girls wouldn’t give tech nerdy guys the time of day. They think those typical Anglo I.T or engineering types to be a bunch of “maricons” or just plain unattractive because of their height and/or lack of muscularity. It’s not that those guys are bad; it’s just that they don’t fit the ideal of what Latina women think human males should look and act like. Their idea of what a man is come from their fathers and brothers, who are descended from “hacienderos”, and were riding horses with no saddles since they were small boys, walking barefoot, engaging in heavy drinking and brawling, etc, very outgoing and socially self-confident, etc.

    My cousin actually grew up in Orlando. He told me that the Anglo and Cuban kids went to the same schools, and were friendly for the most part. But he said that he noticed from a young age a clear difference in behavior and attitudes between the Anglo and Cuban boys. The Cuban boys were more outgoing, gregarious and physically tended to be someawhat more incliced towards sports and outdoors activity. As teenagers, the Cuban boys would go out heavy drinking and partying like grown men on weekends, while the Anglo boys either went to “behaved” parties with Chaperones, or to movies, etc. He said pretty much none of the Cuban boys were into RPGs or chess, or computers, or other geeky hobbies. The few that enrolled in drama were exclusively to play romantic leads and try to kiss girls. The boys that were of the high school’s computer club were all Anglo-Americans basically. He said that one of those boys, who was a good friend of his(he was a nerd too and in the school’s chess club) fell in love with a a very pretty Cuban girl called Bianca, who was in the school’s homecoming squad. He tried to ask her out for Homecoming dance, but she turned him down ruthlessly. When he asked her why, she replied to him in Spanish:

    “Porque tú eres un nerd.”(Because you are a nerd)

    She said that in front of my cousin, and her own friends, and all the girls tried to contain themselves but couldn’t stop themselves from laughing. Long story short, the humiliation wrecked his friend and he had to be put on anxiolytics.

    Yes, Latino culture is an atomic bomb on the self-confidence of men that naturally lack self-confidence. Latin American societies are basically big frat houses, and we all know that techie guys get black balled from joining the frat. Not good socities for fostering scientific development.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Rockford Tyson

    Cuban machismo is not Khan-like. The proof of this is in how the women act. Genghis Khan probably would have killed women that flirt like Cuban chicks in Miami.

    Replies: @Rockford Tyson

    , @Lockean Proviso
    @Rockford Tyson

    All true, perhaps, but then at least they are reproducing and replacing themselves.

  71. @AnotherDad
    @JimDandy


    I’d love to see a Florida Congressional seat open up so Trump could run for it in a special election. Ha ha ha ha! Yeehaw!
     
    Trump has zero--sub-zero--interest in a Congressional seat. That would be beneath him. Anything less than the Presidency is beneath him.

    Trump has little interest in politics. As this election cycle proved, Trump has no interest in conservatism, nationalism, the survival of the American nation. Trump's sole interest is .... Donald J. Trump.

    He had his use in pointing the way for Republicans and exposing the utter depravity of our elites. But let us never hear from the guy again. Real Americans--conservatives/nationalists--deserve better--much better.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    You’re letting your Never Trumper TDS scatter your thoughts all over the place. This is your central position:

    “Trump’s sole interest is …. Donald J. Trump.”

    If that’s true, it doesn’t preclude him running for Congress. Such a move would be:

    A.) Hilarious (Trump likes cracking himself and others [but especially himself] up).
    B.) A way for him to effectively circumvent the mass censorship the establishment is currently subjecting him to.
    C.) A great platform from which to launch his 2024 comeback campaign.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @JimDandy

    Sorry, AnotherDad is right. Trump has served his useful role (limited to begin with), and we're best rid of him.

    Moreover, even if he wins a seat in Congress, he'll get the Steve King treatment: no committee assignments. Heck, they might humiliate him even more and deny him office space.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @TomSchmidt
    @JimDandy

    I'm not sure it's NeverTrumper TDS. I can see some benefits from Trump, but if one looks at the record of Obama as a loyal democrat one sees: over 3000 legislative seats lost around the country; loss of the House for eight years; loss of the Senate for six years.

    Under Trump, Republicans have suffered a smaller but similar wipeout. Moderate Republicans have been replaced and places like NY and NJ have gone from liberal Democrat to radical Progressive in four years; Andrew Cuomo went from being an annoying liberal to the NY Post to now a reactionary obstructing the will of the Progressive legislature. Trump first lost the House and then the Senate, although holding most of the seats of the anti-Obama class of 2014 can be a small win.

    I'm not A registered Republican, but if I were I'd be happy to have someone who attracted his turnout without spurring the opposition like Trump did. TDS had real consequences when the targets were down-ticket Republicans.

  72. @Polistra
    @Wilkey


    For the record, I do believe the risk of global warming is real – very real – but it’s hard for me to care very much when most of the people pushing climate alarmism want to flood this country with hundreds of millions of immigrants.
     
    The rare Voice of Reason. Thank you.

    Replies: @Ron Mexico, @Buzz Mohawk

    Earth’s climate is changing. It has always changed. There is nothing we can do about it. The key to the current politicization of this long-established, scientific fact is the question of whether or not humans are causing the current warming.

    If they are, then maybe they should consider doing something about it. Maybe, but it has not been established that they do have anything to do with it. Furthermore, Earth was already in a warming period before the Industrial Revolution began.

    “Global Warming”™, “Climate Change”™ or whatever you want to call it is a fact and will be a fact.

    Prepare for more warming, and everything it will cause, because it will continue and there is nothing you or anybody else can do about it. Most important: Don’t allow anyone to lower your standard of living or to change how you live because of it. That’s really what is going on here.

  73. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    You're letting your Never Trumper TDS scatter your thoughts all over the place. This is your central position:

    "Trump’s sole interest is …. Donald J. Trump."

    If that's true, it doesn't preclude him running for Congress. Such a move would be:

    A.) Hilarious (Trump likes cracking himself and others [but especially himself] up).
    B.) A way for him to effectively circumvent the mass censorship the establishment is currently subjecting him to.
    C.) A great platform from which to launch his 2024 comeback campaign.

    Replies: @International Jew, @TomSchmidt

    Sorry, AnotherDad is right. Trump has served his useful role (limited to begin with), and we’re best rid of him.

    Moreover, even if he wins a seat in Congress, he’ll get the Steve King treatment: no committee assignments. Heck, they might humiliate him even more and deny him office space.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @International Jew

    Pff... as if he'd even accept a measly space in that dump--he'd set up shop in The Presidential Suite of The Trump Hotel. You should see that suite. It's a beautiful suite. The best. People take one look at it and they say, "President Trump, I've never seen a suite so beautiful."

    Whether or not we'd best be rid of him, I'm pretty sure we're not.

  74. @International Jew
    @JimDandy

    Sorry, AnotherDad is right. Trump has served his useful role (limited to begin with), and we're best rid of him.

    Moreover, even if he wins a seat in Congress, he'll get the Steve King treatment: no committee assignments. Heck, they might humiliate him even more and deny him office space.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Pff… as if he’d even accept a measly space in that dump–he’d set up shop in The Presidential Suite of The Trump Hotel. You should see that suite. It’s a beautiful suite. The best. People take one look at it and they say, “President Trump, I’ve never seen a suite so beautiful.”

    Whether or not we’d best be rid of him, I’m pretty sure we’re not.

  75. @Anon
    Watching the Tech Bros pretend they've discovered Miami has been one of the funniest things online over the past few months. Miami must have one of the least-educated workforces in all of America, but I guess we're supposed to believe none of the non-Big Tech CEOs have ever looked at Miami and figured that out. Hey, who needs smart workers when you have a lot of sun?

    Living in Miami is like dealing with Uber's customer service all day, every day. In a lot of ways, Big Tech and Miami are a match made in hell.

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Hapalong Cassidy, @Ed

    Jamie Dimon has been opposed to moving a critical mass of the banks operations to FL from NY because he was not impressed with the school situation there, in particular private schools.

    Evidently his concerns have been alleviated some so JP Morgan is more open to moving services to Florida.

    https://nypost.com/2020/12/12/jamie-dimon-open-to-relocating-chunks-of-jpmorgan-chase/

    Dimon, I am told, vetoed a plan several years back to move a swath of the bank to south Florida because he didn’t think the schools were good enough. Now he appears to have changed his mind and is considering plenty of relocations outside New York City.

    With a vaccine on the way, many big businesses are plotting a fuller return to their NYC headquarters in the New Year. But don’t expect the banks’ NYC footprint to ever match what it was. Banks are talking staggered workweeks with some personnel going to the office just two or three days a week, and office space is shared.

  76. @Rockford Tyson
    Steve Sailer:

    "My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys, but it increasingly has its advantages. The Latino political leadership doesn’t take African-American complaints seriously. And, while the Latin muy macho and the muy whatever the feminine equivalent of macho gender roles aren’t ideal for tech guys (e.g., Richard, the hero of Mike Judge’s great Silicon Valley), they are at least saner and funner than transmania.

    Oh, I don't know if the cult of macho is "saner" than transmania. I find super-macho guys a much bigger threat than some pansy that likes to dress in drag and make a vagina out of his anal sphincter. I mean, super-masculine guys have a well-deserved reputation for causing a *lot* of heartache. Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Alexander, Cortez...I much prefer the "insanity" of trannies over the "sanity" of extreme gender-typical behavior, at least when it comes to male gender-typical behavior. Highly masculine men are dangerous; effeminate homosexuals are not. The problem with us as a species, I feel, is that we like to pretend that extreme gender-typical male behavior, like starting wars and murdering those who "diss" us, is somehow "normal", because there isn't much that we can do to stop it, The history of primate masculinity on the planet is an extremely depressing one of endless predation, warfare, exploitation and mayhem. Somehow, we find a male that likes to dress like a woman but wouldn't hurt a fly less "normal" than the behavior of a macho guy that murders people for reasons of dominance. We deride Liberace, but praise someone like Chris Kyle, who was a stone-killer that earned his living blowing the brains out of human beings. His macho behavior is celebrated, while a man dressing in drag is derided, despite being harmless. I don't get it. We, as a species, have a seriously skewed notion of what "normalcy" is. Sorry for digressing...

    Anyway, you are right about the emphasis Latino culture puts on gender-dimorphic behavior. I was in Miami in 2018, and what really called my attention is that the fact that so many Cuban girls still wear skirts even now. I seldom if ever see Anglo women in other parts of the country wearing skirts nowadays, but skirts and makeup are huge for girls in Miami even now. Those Cuban women are really something...their combinaton of ivory skin and very dark hair is extremely lovely.

    And Latino men do act over-the-top macho all the time. From talking loudly and cursing(because that's how Real Men assert themselves), to endless braggadocio about how badass they are, to never allowing themselves to show self-doubt or weakness, etc, to being extremely promiscuous and proud of it, etc, they are like a Society of Fernando Llamas. It's entertaining for a while, but then gets tiresome.

    And you are right that it is not a nice place for tech guys. Those beautiful Cuban girls wouldn't give tech nerdy guys the time of day. They think those typical Anglo I.T or engineering types to be a bunch of "maricons" or just plain unattractive because of their height and/or lack of muscularity. It's not that those guys are bad; it's just that they don't fit the ideal of what Latina women think human males should look and act like. Their idea of what a man is come from their fathers and brothers, who are descended from "hacienderos", and were riding horses with no saddles since they were small boys, walking barefoot, engaging in heavy drinking and brawling, etc, very outgoing and socially self-confident, etc.

    My cousin actually grew up in Orlando. He told me that the Anglo and Cuban kids went to the same schools, and were friendly for the most part. But he said that he noticed from a young age a clear difference in behavior and attitudes between the Anglo and Cuban boys. The Cuban boys were more outgoing, gregarious and physically tended to be someawhat more incliced towards sports and outdoors activity. As teenagers, the Cuban boys would go out heavy drinking and partying like grown men on weekends, while the Anglo boys either went to "behaved" parties with Chaperones, or to movies, etc. He said pretty much none of the Cuban boys were into RPGs or chess, or computers, or other geeky hobbies. The few that enrolled in drama were exclusively to play romantic leads and try to kiss girls. The boys that were of the high school's computer club were all Anglo-Americans basically. He said that one of those boys, who was a good friend of his(he was a nerd too and in the school's chess club) fell in love with a a very pretty Cuban girl called Bianca, who was in the school's homecoming squad. He tried to ask her out for Homecoming dance, but she turned him down ruthlessly. When he asked her why, she replied to him in Spanish:

    "Porque tú eres un nerd."(Because you are a nerd)

    She said that in front of my cousin, and her own friends, and all the girls tried to contain themselves but couldn't stop themselves from laughing. Long story short, the humiliation wrecked his friend and he had to be put on anxiolytics.

    Yes, Latino culture is an atomic bomb on the self-confidence of men that naturally lack self-confidence. Latin American societies are basically big frat houses, and we all know that techie guys get black balled from joining the frat. Not good socities for fostering scientific development.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Lockean Proviso

    Cuban machismo is not Khan-like. The proof of this is in how the women act. Genghis Khan probably would have killed women that flirt like Cuban chicks in Miami.

    • Replies: @Rockford Tyson
    @Chrisnonymous

    I don't know. Machismo tends to be machismo. The hallmark trait is an aggressive desire to impose oneself on others, through either psychological or flat out physical intimidation. I am not saying that all macho guys are murderers, but there is a linear trend towards increased aggressiveness and decreased empathy the higher up you go the scale of masculinity, with the top 2% most masculine men being responsible for most violent crime.

    One of the things that I think make Cuban women so incredibly attractive is their idiosyncratic looks. They have a Caucasian skin tone and facial features, but their hair and eyes tend to be very dark. I find that combination of pale skin with black hair lovely. But if you are going for Cuban women, you really need to bring your good ol' boy, frat-boy, football jock act, because they really have no hots for "los nerds". Anglo and Asian women tend to have more patience with shy, awkward, obsessive young men. But those gorgeous Cuban "chicas" like their men macho, outgoing and self-confident.

  77. @TruthRevolution.net
    Maybe a certain percentage hispanics gives herd immunity against both Antifa and BLM style madness?

    On the other hand, most latinos lean left. And most of the "refugees" from California export their leftist creed and will destroy their new home environment.

    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.

    /just some incoherent brainstorming ...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Polistra, @Sick 'n Tired, @AnotherDad, @Supply and Demand

    The California migrants offset all the Yiddish speaking snowbirds who need to hurry up and croak already.

  78. @S. Anonyia
    @Thea

    Have you been to South Florida? Expensive, but a crap hole it is not. I would move to the upper Keys if I could afford it.

    Replies: @Thea, @Thea

    I grew up in Palm Beach County. Moving there in grade school was the single most traumatic event I my life. Muggy and hot and full of bugs. All year, no respite. No natural beauty apart from the beach. I ran for the hills when I graduated.

    Culture and education completely lacking. Rude selfish people.

    Even mansions can’t keep the insects out.

  79. @S. Anonyia
    @Thea

    Have you been to South Florida? Expensive, but a crap hole it is not. I would move to the upper Keys if I could afford it.

    Replies: @Thea, @Thea

    I feel like I should apologize because the awfulness of South Florida is a particular bug bear for me. I could go on for hours about all the horrible nuances of life there.

    Maybe it is really me that is defective. every day for 10 years I went to bed praying to move back up north even if it meant poverty.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea

    Could you elaborate?

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Thea

  80. @AnotherDad
    @TruthRevolution.net


    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.
     
    Separation is the critically important concept--to understand, talk about, promote.

    The core reality is you can't have anything nice if you don't keep other people--who didn't work for it or don't contribute to it--from glomming onto it/you.

    What we have in the US is that the parasites have conducted a coup, taken over the joint and have been doing a bust-out. All covered/justified by minoritarian blather.

    What is necessary if for the host population to say "Uh ... no. You know we'd be just fine without you guys. We aren't your serfs. We have every right to run our own affairs and don't need you around."

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous

    What we have in the US is that the parasites have conducted a coup, taken over the joint and have been doing a bust-out. All covered/justified by minoritarian blather.

    What is necessary if for the host population to say “Uh … no. You know we’d be just fine without you guys. We aren’t your serfs. We have every right to run our own affairs and don’t need you around.”

    I was watching this movie yesterday about a boyfriend and girlfriend raising an alien dropped into their midst and after bringing it up to age are just tossed away after they have been used by the aliens.

    An apt metaphor for your description of what is being done to us right now.

  81. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @R.G. Camara
    Uh, as I believe you yourself have pointed out---a big driving force behind the Trans-Insanity has been extremely nerdy powerful tech guys with severe identity issues who've read a lot of science fiction and believe in it.

    And Jewish enablers in the media of said mentally diseased folk being treated as sane.

    So Miami's large Jewish population is about to welcome with open arms a lot of the nutty trans nonsense and promote it.

    Miami is going to be lit.

    Replies: @Anon

    Miami Hispanic is all about Cuban. Even if you’re Puerto Rican, you are Cuban influenced. These are the least radical people in the world. They’re very conservative, often very religious. They remember Castro and the tyranny of communism. They do not tolerate any radicals whatsoever, and are all about business, entrepreneurship, building the community and self improvement.

  82. @Thea
    @S. Anonyia

    I feel like I should apologize because the awfulness of South Florida is a particular bug bear for me. I could go on for hours about all the horrible nuances of life there.

    Maybe it is really me that is defective. every day for 10 years I went to bed praying to move back up north even if it meant poverty.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Could you elaborate?

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Thea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You’ll be sorry you asked!

    We moved to Palm Beach County due to de-industrialization and related poverty. Financially it paid off and we joined the middle class. But it seems Marx was correct, capitalism breeds alienation.


    The natural world consistently attacks you:

    Year-round allergies to weird plants and fungi
    Sea lice and sand fleas
    Sun burn
    Unrelenting heat and humidity
    Biting, stinging insects

    Crime
    Yikes! All sorts
    Pedestrian fatalities are a Florida specialty


    .The culture and people:

    Very few people have roots there, those that do have understandable resentment to the new comers
    Retired people from up north form neighborhoods that are adults only, kids can’t ride their bikes there unless they are grandkids from back up north visiting. Makes local kids feel unwanted. They vote for old people issues at the expense of family and child concerns cause their grandkids don’t live in Florida.
    Extreme wealth disparity compared to rest of the US.
    Gated communities.
    A lot people, retired or just wealthy, only live there part of the year. They tend to be very rude to waitresses, cashiers and the like.
    This adds up to very little shared experience or sense of community.

    Orlando is a steaming mess of concrete commercialism. I hated Disney as a kid- see I must be defective!

    Even my wealthy friends who lived in beach front mansions had to deal with giant roaches and the lifestyle of running from air conditioned car to air conditioned building. Power outages due to storms hit rich and poor. Water outage as well if you have well water.

    The burden of knowledge that human habitation is destroying the natural habit like the Everglades and it ain’t going back to how it was. Everywhere in PBC is paved over and the architecture is ugly.

    I’m willing to accept at least some of these problems are my own neurosis!

    Appalachacola national Forrest is a rare bright spot. And St Augustine And John Pennycaamp. But just for short vacations.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Alden

  83. @Chrisnonymous
    @Rockford Tyson

    Cuban machismo is not Khan-like. The proof of this is in how the women act. Genghis Khan probably would have killed women that flirt like Cuban chicks in Miami.

    Replies: @Rockford Tyson

    I don’t know. Machismo tends to be machismo. The hallmark trait is an aggressive desire to impose oneself on others, through either psychological or flat out physical intimidation. I am not saying that all macho guys are murderers, but there is a linear trend towards increased aggressiveness and decreased empathy the higher up you go the scale of masculinity, with the top 2% most masculine men being responsible for most violent crime.

    One of the things that I think make Cuban women so incredibly attractive is their idiosyncratic looks. They have a Caucasian skin tone and facial features, but their hair and eyes tend to be very dark. I find that combination of pale skin with black hair lovely. But if you are going for Cuban women, you really need to bring your good ol’ boy, frat-boy, football jock act, because they really have no hots for “los nerds”. Anglo and Asian women tend to have more patience with shy, awkward, obsessive young men. But those gorgeous Cuban “chicas” like their men macho, outgoing and self-confident.

  84. @Anon7
    @vhrm

    Climate change doomsayers Obama and Gore have both spent a fortune to live next to the ocean, just a few feet above sea level. What does that tell you about the doctrine of imminent ruinous sea level rise?

    Also, if you look up Miami tide gauge chart you'll find that the sea level is going up by about a couple of millimeters per year. It's always hard to tell how much the land is sinking (a problem in Miami due to construction on reclaimed swamps) or how much the sea is rising.

    Florida is porous; I'd be more worried about my house falling into a sinkhole.

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV, @Bill Jones

    There’s a reason Florida real estate was such a winner for the Marx brothers.

  85. @Thomas
    I had some job bites years ago from South Florida as I was finishing up my education. More than I would've anticipated and which came entirely out of the blue. I came to the conclusion, one I've seen validated from observations and anecdotes since, that Florida has "brain deficit" (cf. "brain drain") problem and has to import what educated workforce it has from elsewhere. For the fourth-largest state in the union, its state university system has always punched below its weight as far as academics goes (better known for sports). They've always benefitted from wealthier and more educated emigres from Latin America (e.g., Cubans in the 1960s, Venezuelans today), but have never been particularly good at developing their own talent. I read somewhere years ago that Miami was one of the least-educated metro areas in the country of its size, and had among the lowest wages. Hispanic culture is, of course, not generally known for prizing intellectual achievements. I doubt a lot of fun and sun help either. (Who would want to stay in a cubicle and code for 16 hours straight when they live in Miami?)

    My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys...
     
    When I was going to school in the Bay Area, there was an anecdote going around from someone who had had an interview in Miami and who had stopped for a beer somewhere, leading to this exchange:

    "What's your seasonal on-tap?"

    "Michelob Lite."

    And, while the Latin muy macho and the muy whatever the feminine equivalent of macho gender roles aren’t ideal for tech guys (e.g., Richard, the hero of Mike Judge’s great Silicon Valley), they are at least saner and funner than transmania.
     
    Well... a lot of transmania is driven by trannies in tech. I'm... kind of curious how a bunch of aspergery, cannot-pass-very-well tech trannies with anime avatars would manage in an environment in which dressing lightly is a climactic requirement and there are enough real women walking around who aren't shy about showing off their assets. Bonanza for the infamous local plastic surgery industry or a catalyst for pushing those 40+% tranny suicide numbers to the moon?

    Replies: @DevOps Dad

    I agree with you. Miami Florida has neither the necessary educational institutions nor the necessary demographics to create a physical startup hub with 100s of engineers.

    Website 24/7 Wall Street writes in a 2016 study, Miami was rated as the worst U.S. city in which to live, based on poverty, crime, income inequality and housing costs that far exceed the national median. However, what would discourage the talented the most from relocating are the crummy public schools (current dumb inhabitants).

    This is my observation and BTW, I live within walking distance of Netflix/Roku.

  86. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea

    Could you elaborate?

    Thanks.

    Replies: @Thea

    You’ll be sorry you asked!

    We moved to Palm Beach County due to de-industrialization and related poverty. Financially it paid off and we joined the middle class. But it seems Marx was correct, capitalism breeds alienation.

    [MORE]

    The natural world consistently attacks you:

    Year-round allergies to weird plants and fungi
    Sea lice and sand fleas
    Sun burn
    Unrelenting heat and humidity
    Biting, stinging insects

    Crime
    Yikes! All sorts
    Pedestrian fatalities are a Florida specialty

    .The culture and people:

    Very few people have roots there, those that do have understandable resentment to the new comers
    Retired people from up north form neighborhoods that are adults only, kids can’t ride their bikes there unless they are grandkids from back up north visiting. Makes local kids feel unwanted. They vote for old people issues at the expense of family and child concerns cause their grandkids don’t live in Florida.
    Extreme wealth disparity compared to rest of the US.
    Gated communities.
    A lot people, retired or just wealthy, only live there part of the year. They tend to be very rude to waitresses, cashiers and the like.
    This adds up to very little shared experience or sense of community.

    Orlando is a steaming mess of concrete commercialism. I hated Disney as a kid- see I must be defective!

    Even my wealthy friends who lived in beach front mansions had to deal with giant roaches and the lifestyle of running from air conditioned car to air conditioned building. Power outages due to storms hit rich and poor. Water outage as well if you have well water.

    The burden of knowledge that human habitation is destroying the natural habit like the Everglades and it ain’t going back to how it was. Everywhere in PBC is paved over and the architecture is ugly.

    I’m willing to accept at least some of these problems are my own neurosis!

    Appalachacola national Forrest is a rare bright spot. And St Augustine And John Pennycaamp. But just for short vacations.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123, vhrm
    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea

    Thanks.

    What do you think about Tampa? I heard it has most of the advantages of Miami, but with fewer and nicer people.

    Replies: @J.W., @Thea

    , @Alden
    @Thea

    I knew a Phillipino who moved to Florida from the Philippines. We think of the Philippines as tropical which it is. What appalled and scared him about Florida was reptiles. Reptiles all over He had a carport and there were lizards and frogs and reptiles in the carport every day. Snakes in the garden and every strip of dirt.

    He hated the reptiles and bugs. He joked it should be renamed Reptilia

    He is a nurse. The most horribly wounded patient in his career was a young man bitten by some exotic snake while out hunting in the jungle. Man was 28 years old and both arms and legs had to be amputated way up above knees and elbows. So the man will spend the rest of his life in a nursing home.

    He loves S California desert. A few bugs and snakes but no reptiles covering his carport driveway and sidewalk.

  87. @Thea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You’ll be sorry you asked!

    We moved to Palm Beach County due to de-industrialization and related poverty. Financially it paid off and we joined the middle class. But it seems Marx was correct, capitalism breeds alienation.


    The natural world consistently attacks you:

    Year-round allergies to weird plants and fungi
    Sea lice and sand fleas
    Sun burn
    Unrelenting heat and humidity
    Biting, stinging insects

    Crime
    Yikes! All sorts
    Pedestrian fatalities are a Florida specialty


    .The culture and people:

    Very few people have roots there, those that do have understandable resentment to the new comers
    Retired people from up north form neighborhoods that are adults only, kids can’t ride their bikes there unless they are grandkids from back up north visiting. Makes local kids feel unwanted. They vote for old people issues at the expense of family and child concerns cause their grandkids don’t live in Florida.
    Extreme wealth disparity compared to rest of the US.
    Gated communities.
    A lot people, retired or just wealthy, only live there part of the year. They tend to be very rude to waitresses, cashiers and the like.
    This adds up to very little shared experience or sense of community.

    Orlando is a steaming mess of concrete commercialism. I hated Disney as a kid- see I must be defective!

    Even my wealthy friends who lived in beach front mansions had to deal with giant roaches and the lifestyle of running from air conditioned car to air conditioned building. Power outages due to storms hit rich and poor. Water outage as well if you have well water.

    The burden of knowledge that human habitation is destroying the natural habit like the Everglades and it ain’t going back to how it was. Everywhere in PBC is paved over and the architecture is ugly.

    I’m willing to accept at least some of these problems are my own neurosis!

    Appalachacola national Forrest is a rare bright spot. And St Augustine And John Pennycaamp. But just for short vacations.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Alden

    Thanks.

    What do you think about Tampa? I heard it has most of the advantages of Miami, but with fewer and nicer people.

    • Replies: @J.W.
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Tampa is basically the Buffalo of Florida. Bad weather (cool in the winter; lightning every day in the summer), a bunch of strip malls, and not much else. If you don't like Miami's heat or culture, I can't think of a single good reason to move to Tampa instead of Houston or Dallas.

    Replies: @black sea

    , @Thea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Tampa reminded me of South East Florida but the beaches are less attractive. The Gulf Coast water is just murky compared to the (often) blue Atlantic.I definitely did not see it as an imitovenent over Palm Beach County.


    Tampa is near Sarasota which has the Dali museum and midget houses from the old circus days. Those are worth visiting,

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea

    Thanks.

    What do you think about Tampa? I heard it has most of the advantages of Miami, but with fewer and nicer people.

    Replies: @J.W., @Thea

    Tampa is basically the Buffalo of Florida. Bad weather (cool in the winter; lightning every day in the summer), a bunch of strip malls, and not much else. If you don’t like Miami’s heat or culture, I can’t think of a single good reason to move to Tampa instead of Houston or Dallas.

    • Thanks: JohnnyWalker123
    • Replies: @black sea
    @J.W.


    Tampa is basically the Buffalo of Florida.
     
    Frederick Law Olmstead did a great deal of city planning and parks design in Buffalo, and once declared the city - with perhaps some degree of exaggeration -- the most beautiful in America. I would visit Buffalo for this reason alone, although I suspect there would be more to hold my interest than just parks and roadways.

    It's true that when American cities fall, they fall hard, but this too can be intriguing. Decline and renewal are elements of the cultural as well the natural landscape.

    I have visited Tampa. I'll pass.
  89. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Anon

    Miami’s cost of living as compared to salaries is likely even worse than the Bay Area. And now it will only get worse.

    As for an educated populace, they are going to miss having Stanford and UC nearby. U of M is not known as a STEM school. The more reputable STEM programs in the state are at U. if Florida and UCF. Both of which fuel Orlando, which was already known as the most tech-heavy metro area in Florida.

    Replies: @J.W.

    Exactly. Miami (Beach) is like NYC: Great place to live if you’re already rich. For everyone else, it’s a struggle to survive, let alone move up the ladder.

  90. @Rockford Tyson
    Steve Sailer:

    "My guess is that Miami is not a good fit culturally for tech guys, but it increasingly has its advantages. The Latino political leadership doesn’t take African-American complaints seriously. And, while the Latin muy macho and the muy whatever the feminine equivalent of macho gender roles aren’t ideal for tech guys (e.g., Richard, the hero of Mike Judge’s great Silicon Valley), they are at least saner and funner than transmania.

    Oh, I don't know if the cult of macho is "saner" than transmania. I find super-macho guys a much bigger threat than some pansy that likes to dress in drag and make a vagina out of his anal sphincter. I mean, super-masculine guys have a well-deserved reputation for causing a *lot* of heartache. Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Alexander, Cortez...I much prefer the "insanity" of trannies over the "sanity" of extreme gender-typical behavior, at least when it comes to male gender-typical behavior. Highly masculine men are dangerous; effeminate homosexuals are not. The problem with us as a species, I feel, is that we like to pretend that extreme gender-typical male behavior, like starting wars and murdering those who "diss" us, is somehow "normal", because there isn't much that we can do to stop it, The history of primate masculinity on the planet is an extremely depressing one of endless predation, warfare, exploitation and mayhem. Somehow, we find a male that likes to dress like a woman but wouldn't hurt a fly less "normal" than the behavior of a macho guy that murders people for reasons of dominance. We deride Liberace, but praise someone like Chris Kyle, who was a stone-killer that earned his living blowing the brains out of human beings. His macho behavior is celebrated, while a man dressing in drag is derided, despite being harmless. I don't get it. We, as a species, have a seriously skewed notion of what "normalcy" is. Sorry for digressing...

    Anyway, you are right about the emphasis Latino culture puts on gender-dimorphic behavior. I was in Miami in 2018, and what really called my attention is that the fact that so many Cuban girls still wear skirts even now. I seldom if ever see Anglo women in other parts of the country wearing skirts nowadays, but skirts and makeup are huge for girls in Miami even now. Those Cuban women are really something...their combinaton of ivory skin and very dark hair is extremely lovely.

    And Latino men do act over-the-top macho all the time. From talking loudly and cursing(because that's how Real Men assert themselves), to endless braggadocio about how badass they are, to never allowing themselves to show self-doubt or weakness, etc, to being extremely promiscuous and proud of it, etc, they are like a Society of Fernando Llamas. It's entertaining for a while, but then gets tiresome.

    And you are right that it is not a nice place for tech guys. Those beautiful Cuban girls wouldn't give tech nerdy guys the time of day. They think those typical Anglo I.T or engineering types to be a bunch of "maricons" or just plain unattractive because of their height and/or lack of muscularity. It's not that those guys are bad; it's just that they don't fit the ideal of what Latina women think human males should look and act like. Their idea of what a man is come from their fathers and brothers, who are descended from "hacienderos", and were riding horses with no saddles since they were small boys, walking barefoot, engaging in heavy drinking and brawling, etc, very outgoing and socially self-confident, etc.

    My cousin actually grew up in Orlando. He told me that the Anglo and Cuban kids went to the same schools, and were friendly for the most part. But he said that he noticed from a young age a clear difference in behavior and attitudes between the Anglo and Cuban boys. The Cuban boys were more outgoing, gregarious and physically tended to be someawhat more incliced towards sports and outdoors activity. As teenagers, the Cuban boys would go out heavy drinking and partying like grown men on weekends, while the Anglo boys either went to "behaved" parties with Chaperones, or to movies, etc. He said pretty much none of the Cuban boys were into RPGs or chess, or computers, or other geeky hobbies. The few that enrolled in drama were exclusively to play romantic leads and try to kiss girls. The boys that were of the high school's computer club were all Anglo-Americans basically. He said that one of those boys, who was a good friend of his(he was a nerd too and in the school's chess club) fell in love with a a very pretty Cuban girl called Bianca, who was in the school's homecoming squad. He tried to ask her out for Homecoming dance, but she turned him down ruthlessly. When he asked her why, she replied to him in Spanish:

    "Porque tú eres un nerd."(Because you are a nerd)

    She said that in front of my cousin, and her own friends, and all the girls tried to contain themselves but couldn't stop themselves from laughing. Long story short, the humiliation wrecked his friend and he had to be put on anxiolytics.

    Yes, Latino culture is an atomic bomb on the self-confidence of men that naturally lack self-confidence. Latin American societies are basically big frat houses, and we all know that techie guys get black balled from joining the frat. Not good socities for fostering scientific development.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @Lockean Proviso

    All true, perhaps, but then at least they are reproducing and replacing themselves.

  91. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Thea

    Thanks.

    What do you think about Tampa? I heard it has most of the advantages of Miami, but with fewer and nicer people.

    Replies: @J.W., @Thea

    Tampa reminded me of South East Florida but the beaches are less attractive. The Gulf Coast water is just murky compared to the (often) blue Atlantic.I definitely did not see it as an imitovenent over Palm Beach County.

    Tampa is near Sarasota which has the Dali museum and midget houses from the old circus days. Those are worth visiting,

  92. @JimDandy
    @AnotherDad

    You're letting your Never Trumper TDS scatter your thoughts all over the place. This is your central position:

    "Trump’s sole interest is …. Donald J. Trump."

    If that's true, it doesn't preclude him running for Congress. Such a move would be:

    A.) Hilarious (Trump likes cracking himself and others [but especially himself] up).
    B.) A way for him to effectively circumvent the mass censorship the establishment is currently subjecting him to.
    C.) A great platform from which to launch his 2024 comeback campaign.

    Replies: @International Jew, @TomSchmidt

    I’m not sure it’s NeverTrumper TDS. I can see some benefits from Trump, but if one looks at the record of Obama as a loyal democrat one sees: over 3000 legislative seats lost around the country; loss of the House for eight years; loss of the Senate for six years.

    Under Trump, Republicans have suffered a smaller but similar wipeout. Moderate Republicans have been replaced and places like NY and NJ have gone from liberal Democrat to radical Progressive in four years; Andrew Cuomo went from being an annoying liberal to the NY Post to now a reactionary obstructing the will of the Progressive legislature. Trump first lost the House and then the Senate, although holding most of the seats of the anti-Obama class of 2014 can be a small win.

    I’m not A registered Republican, but if I were I’d be happy to have someone who attracted his turnout without spurring the opposition like Trump did. TDS had real consequences when the targets were down-ticket Republicans.

  93. Indian Bronson (recently reborn on Twitter as @indienbronson) has been pushing Miami as a tech destination for a couple of months now.

  94. @E. Rekshun
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Way too black.

    I lived on Miami Beach for several years throughout the '90s, while it was completing its transition from a low-cost Jewish retirement community to an international tourist and party destination.

    Today, the Northeastern blacks visit en mass for Memorial Day weekend but, according to census.gov, the MB is only 4% black; however, it is 56% foreign-born.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Alden

    Blacks visit Miami? Excellent reason to avoid Miami. Tech moving to Texas and Florida? Good, leave California and take every Asian and Indian worker with you.

  95. @Thea
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You’ll be sorry you asked!

    We moved to Palm Beach County due to de-industrialization and related poverty. Financially it paid off and we joined the middle class. But it seems Marx was correct, capitalism breeds alienation.


    The natural world consistently attacks you:

    Year-round allergies to weird plants and fungi
    Sea lice and sand fleas
    Sun burn
    Unrelenting heat and humidity
    Biting, stinging insects

    Crime
    Yikes! All sorts
    Pedestrian fatalities are a Florida specialty


    .The culture and people:

    Very few people have roots there, those that do have understandable resentment to the new comers
    Retired people from up north form neighborhoods that are adults only, kids can’t ride their bikes there unless they are grandkids from back up north visiting. Makes local kids feel unwanted. They vote for old people issues at the expense of family and child concerns cause their grandkids don’t live in Florida.
    Extreme wealth disparity compared to rest of the US.
    Gated communities.
    A lot people, retired or just wealthy, only live there part of the year. They tend to be very rude to waitresses, cashiers and the like.
    This adds up to very little shared experience or sense of community.

    Orlando is a steaming mess of concrete commercialism. I hated Disney as a kid- see I must be defective!

    Even my wealthy friends who lived in beach front mansions had to deal with giant roaches and the lifestyle of running from air conditioned car to air conditioned building. Power outages due to storms hit rich and poor. Water outage as well if you have well water.

    The burden of knowledge that human habitation is destroying the natural habit like the Everglades and it ain’t going back to how it was. Everywhere in PBC is paved over and the architecture is ugly.

    I’m willing to accept at least some of these problems are my own neurosis!

    Appalachacola national Forrest is a rare bright spot. And St Augustine And John Pennycaamp. But just for short vacations.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123, @Alden

    I knew a Phillipino who moved to Florida from the Philippines. We think of the Philippines as tropical which it is. What appalled and scared him about Florida was reptiles. Reptiles all over He had a carport and there were lizards and frogs and reptiles in the carport every day. Snakes in the garden and every strip of dirt.

    He hated the reptiles and bugs. He joked it should be renamed Reptilia

    He is a nurse. The most horribly wounded patient in his career was a young man bitten by some exotic snake while out hunting in the jungle. Man was 28 years old and both arms and legs had to be amputated way up above knees and elbows. So the man will spend the rest of his life in a nursing home.

    He loves S California desert. A few bugs and snakes but no reptiles covering his carport driveway and sidewalk.

  96. @AnotherDad
    @TruthRevolution.net


    Leftism is a transmittable disease, states should lock down and impose travel bans to leftist states.
     
    Separation is the critically important concept--to understand, talk about, promote.

    The core reality is you can't have anything nice if you don't keep other people--who didn't work for it or don't contribute to it--from glomming onto it/you.

    What we have in the US is that the parasites have conducted a coup, taken over the joint and have been doing a bust-out. All covered/justified by minoritarian blather.

    What is necessary if for the host population to say "Uh ... no. You know we'd be just fine without you guys. We aren't your serfs. We have every right to run our own affairs and don't need you around."

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Anonymous

    That’s segregation you’re describing, and it’s never, ever coming back.

  97. @J.W.
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Tampa is basically the Buffalo of Florida. Bad weather (cool in the winter; lightning every day in the summer), a bunch of strip malls, and not much else. If you don't like Miami's heat or culture, I can't think of a single good reason to move to Tampa instead of Houston or Dallas.

    Replies: @black sea

    Tampa is basically the Buffalo of Florida.

    Frederick Law Olmstead did a great deal of city planning and parks design in Buffalo, and once declared the city – with perhaps some degree of exaggeration — the most beautiful in America. I would visit Buffalo for this reason alone, although I suspect there would be more to hold my interest than just parks and roadways.

    It’s true that when American cities fall, they fall hard, but this too can be intriguing. Decline and renewal are elements of the cultural as well the natural landscape.

    I have visited Tampa. I’ll pass.

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