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From the New York Times:

In Era of Black Lives Matter, Films Focus on Emmett Till Lynching
By DAVID HOLMBERG AUG. 30, 2016

… More than six decades later, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement and the string of controversial killings of black men by the police have given new impetus to efforts to film the story of Till, with at least three screen adaptations in the works.

 
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  1. Hahaha Emmett Till, the Trilogy nonono, the Tillogy
    1: Emmett Begins
    2. Too Emmett Too Furious at Racist White Oppression
    3. Emmett Till: Till the end

    • LOL: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Veracitor
    @Ulysses

    Dreams from Emmett Till: Abolition to Zebra(-Killer)

    , @Olorin
    @Ulysses

    Don't forget the prequel.

    Called simply and evoactively Louis, it will chronicle the hero's father, who abused his mother with serial horndogging, beating, choking, and fights ended with pots of boiling water. Then abandonment, violation of wife's restraining order, and a judge's sentencing him to the choice between jail and a stint in the Army.

    I'm looking forward to the scene where Till pere is telling his memories of Klan Rallies and Nazis goosestepping through the po fokes' plantation shacks to Ezra Pound in an US Army prison in Italy while, he, Till pere, US Army GI, awaits hanging for the murder of an Italian woman and rape of two others.

    (He never talked to Pound that I'm aware of, but while we're making up literary stuff, this would fit nicely.)

    Then maybe we could see a movie about the Italian women. Civitavecchia.

  2. More than six decades later, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement and the string of controversial killings of black men by the police have given new impetus to efforts to film the story of Till, with at least three screen adaptations in the works.

    Huh. I’m still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic…..

    Or how about a stirring tale of slave life in South Carolina:

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.

    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.

    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”

    Uncowed, however, he soon fled again, this time seeking out his sister at a nearby plantation. She told him that David Cohen had reportedly offered a $50 reward for his capture. Before she or Jim could contrive a plan for his safety, he was once again spotted and captured. This time, though, he wasn’t returned to Cohen’s Ashley River estate. He was instead taken to the Sugar House, a notorious workhouse jail in Charleston especially famous for its treadmill run by slave labor that not infrequently maimed and killed the weary people chained to its rotating pedals, as well as for other punishments so unsavory that genteel enslavers preferred them to be done out of sight. Jim described the whippings and torture being carried on continuously at all hours of the days and nights, such was the demand for the Sugar House services: “You may hear the whip and paddle there, all hours in the day. There’s no stopping.” He added: “I have heard a great deal said about hell, and wicked places, but I don’t think there is any worse hell than that sugar house.”

    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

    David Cohen visited Jim in the Sugar House and determined that he was an unrepentant runaway who, no surprise, was rapidly losing value under the continual torture. Finally, after several attempts to sell him, in June 1837 David Cohen received $700 dollars from a speculator for young Jim. When your life price is bartered, you don’t forget the obscenity of the transaction; Jim was later able to find some satisfaction from the fact that David Cohen had sold him at a dramatic loss from his original purchase price.

    Jim’s story then moved in dramatic quicks and starts. He was hired out to a railroad, escaped once again, and this time made it aboard a Boston–bound boat. He was harbored by abolitionists in Maine who recognized the publicity value a story such as his would have for their cause, and transcribed his story for the public. Although published anonymously, a runaway slave advertisement from the Charleston Courier of December 11, 1837 clearly identifies Jim as the fugitive who had been owned by Cohen and who never forgot his encounters with that family. It reads: “Fifty Dollar Reward. Runaway from the Subscriber, a few weeks ago, his fellow JIM, lately purchased from Mr. David D. Cohen, of Charleston.”

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    • Replies: @Louis Renault
    @syonredux


    Huh. I’m still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic…..
     
    The left is not likely to touch a movie about the first Jewish US Senator. It wouldn't fit the narrative.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    And why do you think you have to wait very long in this day and age? Such a film contains a most brilliant narrative; storytelling at its finest. An all star cast would no doubt be literally begging to be cast in the various roles. This film has the making to be bigger than even the 1977 Made for TV film Roots, except this time, it would all be historically accurate because it happened.

    With one eensey weensy slight thing though:

    In the interests of poetic license (as most Hollywood biopics and historical films tend to take), and of course for other reasons that could appear to be obvious, if only for those that happen to notice, all things in the film would be exactly as you described, EXCEPT that the slave owners names would be changed to something, shall we say, to be deemed as less offensive and borderline bigoted.

    Instead of the Cohens, the SC slaveowning family's name would be changed to Booth. Or perhaps to MacArthur or Calhoun.

    Aside from that minor insignificant poetic license, everything as described would remain intact. In this way, the newly improved film "JIM" would easily win Best Picture; Best Original and also Best Adapted Screenplay and perhaps Best Actor Oscars.

    Just a bit of poetic license. After all, Hollywood does take them all the time.

    , @Don't Look at Me
    @syonredux

    Ran a plantation at Soldier's Retreat.
    He was all slave driver from his head to his feet.
    He kept order on a very large estate.
    Whipped himself a slave when he was only eight

    Davy, Davy Cohen, the whip cracks whenever he's near.

    Relentless vigilance was his sacred code.
    Up every morning before the rooster crowed.
    If he looked around and things weren't fine,
    He'd whip the slaves for hours then douse em in the brine.

    Davy, Davy Cohen, don't you steal none of his gear.

    Slave Jim didn't like that Davy Cohen none,
    So late one night he figured he should run.
    Davy captured Jim and tortured him for fun,
    Then said "It's alright 'cause I'm a chosen one."

    Davy, Davy Cohen, holding his faith dear.

    Jim ended up at the Sugar House Jail.
    His every escape attempt was always bound to fail.
    Worked and whipped all day by the jail house boss,
    Till Davy made a deal and sold him at a loss.

    Davy, Davy Cohen, fillin' the slaves with fear.

  3. How many movies on the Palestinian Nakba are in the works?

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Who cares? Not me.

    , @biz
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Al Jezeera posts a new one to their Youtube channel every day.

    , @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    palestinians killed by israel since 1967-22,000

    papuans killed by indonesia since 1963--550,000

    christian sudanese killed by sudan --1 million plus

    seems appropriate that we see papuan and darfuri movies first......

    Replies: @Lurker

  4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

    The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎‎, “al-Nakbah”, literally “disaster”, “catastrophe”, or “cataclysm”),[1] occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Palestine war.[2] The term “nakba” also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians from December 1947 to January 1949.

  5. Steve,

    I am sorry that this is completely off topic, but it may be of interest to you. A brief, well written article that says how we ought to react to the refugee crisis in Syria. Post or not, up to you:

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/frances-calais-threats-recipe-human-misery/?_ga=1.12624244.258398017.1468936666

  6. This is a new form of blacksploitation film, as was Tarantino’s recent effort.

  7. • Replies: @biz
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Wow, taunting? That's really terrible! The only possible response to taunting is an endless spate of stabbings, shooting, suicide bombings, car rammings, etc, doncha know.

    Replies: @schmenz

    , @Big Bill
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Physically intimidating the goyim to make them leave is perhaps a bit rough for our tastes.

    Over here they use a softly-softly approach: phone call to employers, newspaper editorials, calls to "right-thinking" goyim to boycott the goy transgressors, etc. Much more effective and no unnecessary photo opportunities.

    Things are much more visceral in Israel. They don't bullsh!t around with multiculturalism. That is strictly for Western goy consumption.

  8. @JohnnyWalker123
    How many movies on the Palestinian Nakba are in the works?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7FML0wzJ6A

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @biz, @anon

    Who cares? Not me.

  9. One of my favorite ironies of history

    1. Emmett Till’s father Louis was forced to go into the Army after he strangled Emmett Till’s mother after she found out he was cheating.
    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
    3. Ezra Pound of all people served prison with Louis Till and wrote about it in his Pisan Cantos:

    Till was hung yesterday
    for murder and rape with trimmings

    ——————–

    OT but related to Pound, Marshall McLuhan who is often cited by new-agish techno-utopianists was quite reactionary in his politics:

    “I am resolutely opposed to all innovation, all change, but I am determined to understand what’s happening because I don’t choose just to sit and let the juggernaut roll over me. Many people seem to think that if you talk about something recent, you’re in favour of it. The exact opposite is true in my case. Anything I talk about is almost certainly to be something I’m resolutely against, and it seems to me the best way of opposing it is to understand it, and then you know where to turn off the button. (101-2)”

    Marshall McLuhan liked Wyndham Lewis and met and corresponded with Ezra Pound. In the 1930s he wrote an editorial entitled “Is Fascism the Answer?” where he attacked parliamentarianism

    https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/object/uofm%3A2502/manitoba_metadata

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    , @James O'Meara
    @blahbahblah

    Yes, BUT he also advocated, in a letter to Lewis, importing a "couple million Jews" to liven up Canada's Protestant culture.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/06/an-ode-to-canada-itself/

    , @Don't Look at Me
    @blahbahblah

    "1. Emmett Till’s father Louis was forced to go into the Army after he strangled Emmett Till’s mother after she found out he was cheating.
    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy."

    Interesting. I wonder how Louis Till will be portrayed in these movies. Will he be in them at all?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  10. @syonredux

    More than six decades later, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement and the string of controversial killings of black men by the police have given new impetus to efforts to film the story of Till, with at least three screen adaptations in the works.
     
    Huh. I'm still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic.....


    Or how about a stirring tale of slave life in South Carolina:

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.


    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.


    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”


    Uncowed, however, he soon fled again, this time seeking out his sister at a nearby plantation. She told him that David Cohen had reportedly offered a $50 reward for his capture. Before she or Jim could contrive a plan for his safety, he was once again spotted and captured. This time, though, he wasn’t returned to Cohen’s Ashley River estate. He was instead taken to the Sugar House, a notorious workhouse jail in Charleston especially famous for its treadmill run by slave labor that not infrequently maimed and killed the weary people chained to its rotating pedals, as well as for other punishments so unsavory that genteel enslavers preferred them to be done out of sight. Jim described the whippings and torture being carried on continuously at all hours of the days and nights, such was the demand for the Sugar House services: “You may hear the whip and paddle there, all hours in the day. There’s no stopping.” He added: “I have heard a great deal said about hell, and wicked places, but I don’t think there is any worse hell than that sugar house.”

    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

    David Cohen visited Jim in the Sugar House and determined that he was an unrepentant runaway who, no surprise, was rapidly losing value under the continual torture. Finally, after several attempts to sell him, in June 1837 David Cohen received $700 dollars from a speculator for young Jim. When your life price is bartered, you don’t forget the obscenity of the transaction; Jim was later able to find some satisfaction from the fact that David Cohen had sold him at a dramatic loss from his original purchase price.


    Jim’s story then moved in dramatic quicks and starts. He was hired out to a railroad, escaped once again, and this time made it aboard a Boston–bound boat. He was harbored by abolitionists in Maine who recognized the publicity value a story such as his would have for their cause, and transcribed his story for the public. Although published anonymously, a runaway slave advertisement from the Charleston Courier of December 11, 1837 clearly identifies Jim as the fugitive who had been owned by Cohen and who never forgot his encounters with that family. It reads: “Fifty Dollar Reward. Runaway from the Subscriber, a few weeks ago, his fellow JIM, lately purchased from Mr. David D. Cohen, of Charleston.”

     

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Don't Look at Me

    Huh. I’m still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic…..

    The left is not likely to touch a movie about the first Jewish US Senator. It wouldn’t fit the narrative.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Louis Renault


    Huh. I’m still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic…..

    The left is not likely to touch a movie about the first Jewish US Senator. It wouldn’t fit the narrative.
     
    Hey, they could skip the Senate stuff and just focus on the stalwart service he rendered the Confederacy: first Attorney-General, second Secretary of War, third Secretary of State.

    After all, why should Christians like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis get to hog the limelight....
  11. @Louis Renault
    @syonredux


    Huh. I’m still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic…..
     
    The left is not likely to touch a movie about the first Jewish US Senator. It wouldn't fit the narrative.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Huh. I’m still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic…..

    The left is not likely to touch a movie about the first Jewish US Senator. It wouldn’t fit the narrative.

    Hey, they could skip the Senate stuff and just focus on the stalwart service he rendered the Confederacy: first Attorney-General, second Secretary of War, third Secretary of State.

    After all, why should Christians like Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis get to hog the limelight….

  12. The funny thing is, all three movies will make money.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @inertial

    I'm not so certain about that. The studios are capable of spending so much money making indignant-black films that they'll Emmett Till themselves right out of business. I can see these films getting an art-house size audience, and that's about it. There won't be much overseas profit coming in, either.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson

    , @Ivy
    @inertial

    Tillocaust educational programming will kick in after the theatrical releases have run their course. The school showings will help defray the Hollywood studio costs. The overall bottom line will be supplemented by mandatory admission fees, kickbacks from speakers and program managers, and property tax increases.

    Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch

  13. @blahbahblah
    One of my favorite ironies of history

    1. Emmett Till's father Louis was forced to go into the Army after he strangled Emmett Till's mother after she found out he was cheating.
    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
    3. Ezra Pound of all people served prison with Louis Till and wrote about it in his Pisan Cantos:

    Till was hung yesterday
    for murder and rape with trimmings

    --------------------

    OT but related to Pound, Marshall McLuhan who is often cited by new-agish techno-utopianists was quite reactionary in his politics:

    "I am resolutely opposed to all innovation, all change, but I am determined to understand what's happening because I don't choose just to sit and let the juggernaut roll over me. Many people seem to think that if you talk about something recent, you're in favour of it. The exact opposite is true in my case. Anything I talk about is almost certainly to be something I'm resolutely against, and it seems to me the best way of opposing it is to understand it, and then you know where to turn off the button. (101-2)"

    Marshall McLuhan liked Wyndham Lewis and met and corresponded with Ezra Pound. In the 1930s he wrote an editorial entitled "Is Fascism the Answer?" where he attacked parliamentarianism

    https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/object/uofm%3A2502/manitoba_metadata

    Replies: @syonredux, @James O'Meara, @Don't Look at Me

    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.

    Hanged, not hung.

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    You know, '70's Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother.

    Replies: @jefferson

    , @Jefferson
    @syonredux

    "Hanged, not hung.

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2….."

    According to the George Lucas film Red Tails, it was always consensual and never rape.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @anon
    @syonredux

    I used to have a magazine called "After The Battle", a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war. Unfortunately it got accidentally thrown away. According to their web site all back issues are soon to be available for sale.

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @syonredux

    This has been an issue in Japan too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

    Back in 1995, there was a famous rape case out of Okinawa.


    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident took place on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen - U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa - rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Japanese girl. They beat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so out of fear of Gill.[1] The incident led to further debate over the continued presence of U.S. forces in Japan.
     

    The offenders were tried and convicted in Japanese court by Japanese law, in accordance with the SOFA agreements. The families of the defendants initially claimed that Japanese officials had discriminated against the men because they were African American and coerced confessions from them, but later retracted the claims.[7]
     
    Black soldiers were overrepresented in rape statistics during the WWII era.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/07/us/when-black-soldiers-were-hanged-a-war-s-footnote.html

    The rate of execution for black soldiers was even higher for the rape of civilians, for which 25 blacks (87 percent) and 4 whites (13 percent) were put to death. In 28 murder convictions, 22 blacks and 6 whites were executed. Of the 12 executed for murder and rape, 8 were black and 4 were white. The other execution was that of Eddie Slovik, a white, for desertion. The United States Army Center of Military History in Washington says very little information is available on the subject. But one historian there, Russell J. Parkinson, was able to confirm the basic data that Mr. Lilly is using. "There's clearly a black preponderance," Mr. Parkinson said, after reviewing the execution records and finding Mr. Lilly's quest a worthy avenue for scholarship.
     
    Blacks were 7% of U.S. soldiers during WWII, but were 87% of those executed for rape. If I'm doing my math right (someone here should double check), black WWII soldiers were 89x more likely to be executed for rape than white soldiers. That's a stunning statistic.

    Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch, @11B4P, @EH

    , @11B4P
    @syonredux


    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..

     

    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as "Plot E" there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.
    Here's a partial list of some of the "Greatest Generation" of Americans sent to "liberate" Europe and buried in Plot E of Oise-Aisne American Cemetery in France.

    Till is buried in grave #73, buried near him in grave #62 is Private William Harrison, a black soldier of the U.S. Army Air Corps, He was convicted by a court martial for sexually assaulting and strangling to death 7-year-old Patricia Wylie in a field at Killycolpy, near Stewartstown, County Tyrone in Northern Ireland on 25 September 1944.

    Also buried in Plot E are Corporal Robert L. Pearson and Private Parson Jones, both black soldiers of the 1698th Engineers, they were hanged on 17 March 1945. They were convicted by a court martial at Chard in Somerset for raping heavily pregnant Joyce Brown at Bonfire Orchard in Chard on 3 December 1944.

    Private Aniceto Martinez, a 24-year-old Hispanic soldier, was hanged on 15 June 1945. He was convicted by a court martial at Lichfield in Staffordshire for raping 75-year-old Agnes Cope in her home at 15 Sandy Lane, Rugeley in Staffordshire on 6 August 1944.

    Private Wiley Harris, Jr, a 26-year old black soldier, serving with the 626th Ordnance Ammunition Corp, was hanged on 26 May 1944. He was convicted by a court martial for stabbing to death Harry Coogan, a pimp, at Earl Street in Belfast, Northern Ireland on 6 March 1944.
    Private John C. Leatherberry, a 21-year old black soldier, serving with the 356th Engineer General Service Regiment, was hanged on 16 March 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Ipswich in Suffolk for strangling and battering to death 28-year-old taxi-driver Henry Claude Hailstone in a country lane south west of Colchester in Essex on 8 December 1943.

    Private Madison Thomas, a 23-year old black soldier, was hanged on 12 October 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Plymouth in Devon for raping Beatrice Maud Reynolds in a field at Albaston, near Gunnislake in Cornwall on 26 July 1944.

    Private Lee A. Davis, an 18-year-old black soldier, was hanged on 14 December 1943. He was convicted by a court martial at Marlborough in Wiltshire for fatally shooting 19-year-old Cynthia June Lay and raping Muriel Fawden near Savernake Hospital, Marlborough on 28 September 1943.

    The men accused of killing Till were combat veterans of World War Two and Korea with heroic and honorable service records. Don't expect that to make it into the movie.

    Replies: @syonredux, @ben tillman

    , @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux


    ...

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..
     

    It was nothing compared to what Moroccan French Colonial Goumier troops did after Monte Cassino in Italy—incidentally, which was used as a plot device in Vittoria de Sica's Italian film 'Two Women'. And that in turn was nothing compared with what the Red Army did in WWII. Or the Imperial Japanese Army did in Asia. Perhaps that is why no one has zeroed in on it.

    Rape in the aftermath of battle goes back to the beginning of history. Many warrior cultures considered it to be something along the lines of the justified spoils of war. The largely Anglo-American ethic of rape being not condoned in time of war is an very recent exception.

    This is a pretty difficult topic for historians to document accurately, as wartime and post-war propaganda usually inflates the perception of the incidence of rape by soldiers.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Chrisnonymous, @donut

    , @Dirk Dagger
    @syonredux

    Uh, Louis Till was a victim of "the man" …


    In Writing to Save a Life, John Edgar Wideman searches for Louis Till, a silent victim of American injustice. Wideman's personal interaction with the story began when he learned of Emmett’s murder in 1955; Wideman was also fourteen years old. After reading decades later about Louis’s execution, he couldn’t escape the twin tragedies of father and son, and tells their stories together for the first time. Author of the award-winning Brothers and Keepers, Wideman brings extraordinary insight and a haunting intimacy to this devastating story.

     

    … I think film rights are still available.

    Replies: @syonredux

  14. Will all these 3 Emmett Till movies come out before the presidential election to get more angry Black voters to the polls?

    3 films about Emmett Till and zero films about Channon Christian & Christopher Newsom.

  15. @syonredux

    More than six decades later, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement and the string of controversial killings of black men by the police have given new impetus to efforts to film the story of Till, with at least three screen adaptations in the works.
     
    Huh. I'm still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic.....


    Or how about a stirring tale of slave life in South Carolina:

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.


    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.


    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”


    Uncowed, however, he soon fled again, this time seeking out his sister at a nearby plantation. She told him that David Cohen had reportedly offered a $50 reward for his capture. Before she or Jim could contrive a plan for his safety, he was once again spotted and captured. This time, though, he wasn’t returned to Cohen’s Ashley River estate. He was instead taken to the Sugar House, a notorious workhouse jail in Charleston especially famous for its treadmill run by slave labor that not infrequently maimed and killed the weary people chained to its rotating pedals, as well as for other punishments so unsavory that genteel enslavers preferred them to be done out of sight. Jim described the whippings and torture being carried on continuously at all hours of the days and nights, such was the demand for the Sugar House services: “You may hear the whip and paddle there, all hours in the day. There’s no stopping.” He added: “I have heard a great deal said about hell, and wicked places, but I don’t think there is any worse hell than that sugar house.”

    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

    David Cohen visited Jim in the Sugar House and determined that he was an unrepentant runaway who, no surprise, was rapidly losing value under the continual torture. Finally, after several attempts to sell him, in June 1837 David Cohen received $700 dollars from a speculator for young Jim. When your life price is bartered, you don’t forget the obscenity of the transaction; Jim was later able to find some satisfaction from the fact that David Cohen had sold him at a dramatic loss from his original purchase price.


    Jim’s story then moved in dramatic quicks and starts. He was hired out to a railroad, escaped once again, and this time made it aboard a Boston–bound boat. He was harbored by abolitionists in Maine who recognized the publicity value a story such as his would have for their cause, and transcribed his story for the public. Although published anonymously, a runaway slave advertisement from the Charleston Courier of December 11, 1837 clearly identifies Jim as the fugitive who had been owned by Cohen and who never forgot his encounters with that family. It reads: “Fifty Dollar Reward. Runaway from the Subscriber, a few weeks ago, his fellow JIM, lately purchased from Mr. David D. Cohen, of Charleston.”

     

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Don't Look at Me

    And why do you think you have to wait very long in this day and age? Such a film contains a most brilliant narrative; storytelling at its finest. An all star cast would no doubt be literally begging to be cast in the various roles. This film has the making to be bigger than even the 1977 Made for TV film Roots, except this time, it would all be historically accurate because it happened.

    With one eensey weensy slight thing though:

    In the interests of poetic license (as most Hollywood biopics and historical films tend to take), and of course for other reasons that could appear to be obvious, if only for those that happen to notice, all things in the film would be exactly as you described, EXCEPT that the slave owners names would be changed to something, shall we say, to be deemed as less offensive and borderline bigoted.

    Instead of the Cohens, the SC slaveowning family’s name would be changed to Booth. Or perhaps to MacArthur or Calhoun.

    Aside from that minor insignificant poetic license, everything as described would remain intact. In this way, the newly improved film “JIM” would easily win Best Picture; Best Original and also Best Adapted Screenplay and perhaps Best Actor Oscars.

    Just a bit of poetic license. After all, Hollywood does take them all the time.

    • Agree: syonredux
  16. @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    You know, ’70’s Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother.

    • Replies: @jefferson
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "You know, ’70′s Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother."

    I can see the Italian in his facial features. I notice that on average Italian/Negro mixes have more Caucasoid looking noses & lips than Northern European/Negro mixes.

    Gus Fring from Breaking Bad who is Italian and Black has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Barack Hussein Obama who is WASP and Black. Colin Kaepernick also has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Hussein. Colin's biological mother is Italian. Italian genes do a better job than Northern Euro genes of softening extreme Sub Saharan African facial features.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PistolPete, @Anonymous

  17. We are, it seems, to hear nonstop about this Till the end of time.

    On the other hand, we will almost never hear about this – two versions follow:

    1) The Atlanta Journal Constitution: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-beaten-burned-in-georgia-home-dies-at-83/nsM8b/

    2) VDARE: http://www.vdare.com/posts/her-name-is-dorothy-dow-white-great-grandmother-set-on-fire-by-five-blacks-in-violent-georgia-home-invasion-passes-away

    You may judge which one of the two versions is the more forthcoming or, shall we say, the more honest and detailed reportage.

    • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
    @Auntie Analogue

    Locally prominent 96 year old Kate Bell, has an elementary school named after her, was beaten to death outside a burger joint for her purse.

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=bell&GSfn=catherine&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=7273738&df=all&

    , @Tex
    @Auntie Analogue

    No movies about Britanee Drexel, Hannah Graham, or Jessica Chambers either.

    http://ktla.com/2014/12/09/mississippi-teen-is-burned-alive-father-says-she-tried-to-tell-responders-who-killed-her-before-dying/

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hannah-graham-suspect-jesse-matthew-convicted-separate-attempted-murder-case-n373346

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/08/30/missing-teen-brittanee-drexel-raped-shot-fed-gators-south-carolina/89581672/

    Now which color lives matter in 2016?

  18. @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    “Hanged, not hung.

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..”

    According to the George Lucas film Red Tails, it was always consensual and never rape.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Jefferson


    “Hanged, not hung.

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..”

    According to the George Lucas film Red Tails, it was always consensual and never rape.
     
    Be interesting to see Lucas' view of the Marocchinate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate
  19. Nobody here can look at the bright side. At least 2 of them will lose lots of money.

  20. @blahbahblah
    One of my favorite ironies of history

    1. Emmett Till's father Louis was forced to go into the Army after he strangled Emmett Till's mother after she found out he was cheating.
    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
    3. Ezra Pound of all people served prison with Louis Till and wrote about it in his Pisan Cantos:

    Till was hung yesterday
    for murder and rape with trimmings

    --------------------

    OT but related to Pound, Marshall McLuhan who is often cited by new-agish techno-utopianists was quite reactionary in his politics:

    "I am resolutely opposed to all innovation, all change, but I am determined to understand what's happening because I don't choose just to sit and let the juggernaut roll over me. Many people seem to think that if you talk about something recent, you're in favour of it. The exact opposite is true in my case. Anything I talk about is almost certainly to be something I'm resolutely against, and it seems to me the best way of opposing it is to understand it, and then you know where to turn off the button. (101-2)"

    Marshall McLuhan liked Wyndham Lewis and met and corresponded with Ezra Pound. In the 1930s he wrote an editorial entitled "Is Fascism the Answer?" where he attacked parliamentarianism

    https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/object/uofm%3A2502/manitoba_metadata

    Replies: @syonredux, @James O'Meara, @Don't Look at Me

    Yes, BUT he also advocated, in a letter to Lewis, importing a “couple million Jews” to liven up Canada’s Protestant culture.
    http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/06/an-ode-to-canada-itself/

  21. @JohnnyWalker123
    How many movies on the Palestinian Nakba are in the works?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7FML0wzJ6A

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @biz, @anon

    Al Jezeera posts a new one to their Youtube channel every day.

  22. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/silverspeakers/status/228127201650941952

    Replies: @biz, @Big Bill

    Wow, taunting? That’s really terrible! The only possible response to taunting is an endless spate of stabbings, shooting, suicide bombings, car rammings, etc, doncha know.

    • Replies: @schmenz
    @biz

    Yawn.

  23. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    I used to have a magazine called “After The Battle”, a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war. Unfortunately it got accidentally thrown away. According to their web site all back issues are soon to be available for sale.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @anon


    I used to have a magazine called “After The Battle”, a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war.
     
    Yeah, from what I've read, I get the distinct impression that Black American troops committed a disproportionate number of rapes during the war.Of course, no one seems to have done an actual statistical study of the matter (too afraid of what the results might show?).And whenever historians do refer to the number of Back troops who were convicted of rape, they always embed the info in PC-code ("The high number of Blacks soldiers convicted of rape no doubt reflects the racism that permeated the army....").

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @The most deplorable one

  24. @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    This has been an issue in Japan too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

    Back in 1995, there was a famous rape case out of Okinawa.

    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident took place on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen – U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa – rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Japanese girl. They beat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so out of fear of Gill.[1] The incident led to further debate over the continued presence of U.S. forces in Japan.

    The offenders were tried and convicted in Japanese court by Japanese law, in accordance with the SOFA agreements. The families of the defendants initially claimed that Japanese officials had discriminated against the men because they were African American and coerced confessions from them, but later retracted the claims.[7]

    Black soldiers were overrepresented in rape statistics during the WWII era.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/07/us/when-black-soldiers-were-hanged-a-war-s-footnote.html

    The rate of execution for black soldiers was even higher for the rape of civilians, for which 25 blacks (87 percent) and 4 whites (13 percent) were put to death. In 28 murder convictions, 22 blacks and 6 whites were executed. Of the 12 executed for murder and rape, 8 were black and 4 were white. The other execution was that of Eddie Slovik, a white, for desertion. The United States Army Center of Military History in Washington says very little information is available on the subject. But one historian there, Russell J. Parkinson, was able to confirm the basic data that Mr. Lilly is using. “There’s clearly a black preponderance,” Mr. Parkinson said, after reviewing the execution records and finding Mr. Lilly’s quest a worthy avenue for scholarship.

    Blacks were 7% of U.S. soldiers during WWII, but were 87% of those executed for rape. If I’m doing my math right (someone here should double check), black WWII soldiers were 89x more likely to be executed for rape than white soldiers. That’s a stunning statistic.

    • Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "black WWII soldiers were 89x more likely to be executed for rape than white soldiers. That’s a stunning statistic" Sounds more like a Hate Fact.

    , @11B4P
    @JohnnyWalker123

    John A. Benett was the last US Soldier to be executed for rape:

    From Wikipedia


    "Bennett was born in Virginia to a family of African-American sharecroppers. He was epileptic, but managed to enlist in the U.S. Army when he was 18. Days before Christmas 1954, a heavily intoxicated Bennett left his base to find a brothel, but chanced upon an 11-year-old Austrian girl. He raped her in a meadow and tried to drown her. He was soon arrested, tried and convicted by a court-martial of First Degree Child Rape and Attempted First Degree Murder one month later and sentenced to death. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Bennett's death warrant. Days before Bennett's scheduled execution four years later, the victim and her parents wrote to President John F. Kennedy, asking that Bennett's life be spared. Kennedy took no action on the appeals, letting his predecessor's death warrant stand. Bennett was hanged at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in 1961."
     

    Replies: @syonredux

    , @EH
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Using your figure of 83% White, 7% Black in WWII, and counting all those who had rape as a conviction, with or without murder, I make the relative rate of Blacks vs. Whites being executed for rape as 48.9 times higher for Blacks than Whites:
    48.9 = (((25+8)/(29+12)/7))/(((4+4)/(29+12))/83)
    (25+8): Black rape executions
    (29+12): total rape executions
    (4+4): White rape executions
    (((25+8)/(29+12)/7)): relative rate of Black executions for rape
    (((4+4)/(29+12))/83): relative rate of White executions for rape

    If talking about rape alone, the Black rate was 74.1 times the White rate:
    74.1 = (((25)/(29)/7))/(((4)/(29))/83)

    For all offenses the Black execution rate was 43.5 times the White rate:
    43.5 = (((25+8+22)/(29+12+28+1)/7))/(((4+4+6+1)/(29+12+28+1))/83)

  25. This post reminded me of this news from 12 years ago:

    NYTimes: U.S. to Reopen Investigation of Emmett Till’s Murder in 1955

    We really should know after all these years whether or not he whistled at that white woman.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @MLK


    This post reminded me of this news from 12 years ago:

    NYTimes: U.S. to Reopen Investigation of Emmett Till’s Murder in 1955

    We really should know after all these years whether or not he whistled at that white woman.
     

    A lot of us would like to know exactly what he did, although I doubt any official investigation would make much effort to find the truth. There's no doubt he assaulted her, and there's little doubt that he did something that would qualify as sexual assault (which is not the same thing as rape). But how bad was it? Did he in fact rape her? Roy Bryant said no, in his interview with Look, but he might have just been protecting his wife from prurient interest.

    Replies: @Polymath

  26. “…the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement…”

    I don”t know about that. Seems to me that by the time these films make it out of “the works” BLM will be about as relevant as Occupy Wall Street.

  27. Meanwhile, more about the Brittanee Drexel atrocity. It may be a family/group of racist serial rapists/killers. Don’t hold your breath waiting for a movie about it.

    http://wpde.com/news/crime/arrest-made-in-botched-boulevard-abduction

  28. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @syonredux

    You know, '70's Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother.

    Replies: @jefferson

    “You know, ’70′s Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother.”

    I can see the Italian in his facial features. I notice that on average Italian/Negro mixes have more Caucasoid looking noses & lips than Northern European/Negro mixes.

    Gus Fring from Breaking Bad who is Italian and Black has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Barack Hussein Obama who is WASP and Black. Colin Kaepernick also has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Hussein. Colin’s biological mother is Italian. Italian genes do a better job than Northern Euro genes of softening extreme Sub Saharan African facial features.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @jefferson

    Why does Colin Kaepernick looks like Osama bin Laden's son?

    Replies: @Dave, @JohnnyWalker123

    , @PistolPete
    @jefferson

    Funny you say that. Ive noticed that southern European mixed with black comes out whiter looking than black with Northern European. Maybe Southern Europeans have stronger genes(if that makes any sense).

    As someone who has lived in both the US and Brazil, I have seen enough mulattos to notice they look quite different in each country. (America with North European and black mixed and in Brazil southern European and black mixed)

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Anonymous
    @jefferson

    Quelle connerie!

    Replies: @Jefferson

  29. @jefferson
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "You know, ’70′s Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother."

    I can see the Italian in his facial features. I notice that on average Italian/Negro mixes have more Caucasoid looking noses & lips than Northern European/Negro mixes.

    Gus Fring from Breaking Bad who is Italian and Black has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Barack Hussein Obama who is WASP and Black. Colin Kaepernick also has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Hussein. Colin's biological mother is Italian. Italian genes do a better job than Northern Euro genes of softening extreme Sub Saharan African facial features.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PistolPete, @Anonymous

    Why does Colin Kaepernick looks like Osama bin Laden’s son?

    • Replies: @Dave
    @Steve Sailer

    As an American of Italian ancestry, I agree with Jefferson that Italian/African mixes tend to see the Euro features dominate. Not sure why. I notice that Colin looks literally Maghrebi/North African. Same with Giancarlo Esposito and Franco Harris.
    I've seen a few other such mixes, no one famous, and the results are the same.
    Apparently some genetic research suggests East Africans,like Somalis and Ethiopians, show ancient admixture with Eurasian populations who back migrated into East Africa in prehistoric times.
    It would explain their refined features and point to why Italian/African admixtures present similar features.

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    Lots of Middle Easterners are a mix of Mediterranean and African ancestries. Kaepernick (half Italian, half black) is similar to that. There are a lot of North Africans who look like him.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  30. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @inertial
    The funny thing is, all three movies will make money.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ivy

    I’m not so certain about that. The studios are capable of spending so much money making indignant-black films that they’ll Emmett Till themselves right out of business. I can see these films getting an art-house size audience, and that’s about it. There won’t be much overseas profit coming in, either.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    They're going to have to figure out how to put a famous Chinese actor into these Emmett Till movies.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Brutusale

    , @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "I’m not so certain about that. The studios are capable of spending so much money making indignant-black films that they’ll Emmett Till themselves right out of business. I can see these films getting an art-house size audience, and that’s about it. There won’t be much overseas profit coming in, either."

    I remember reading that films with either a predominantly or all Black cast do not do well overseas.

    For example China's love of Negroes is only limited to the NBA, it doesn't extend to Black social justice warrior films about slavery & Jim Crow.

    I guarantee Nate Parker's The Birth Of A Nation will not be a huge blockbuster hit in China.

    Replies: @Whiskey

  31. @inertial
    The funny thing is, all three movies will make money.

    Replies: @Anon, @Ivy

    Tillocaust educational programming will kick in after the theatrical releases have run their course. The school showings will help defray the Hollywood studio costs. The overall bottom line will be supplemented by mandatory admission fees, kickbacks from speakers and program managers, and property tax increases.

    • Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch
    @Ivy

    Don't forget on the opening night release - Ta Nehisi Coates will do a short lecture before the film, after the film a Q & A with Spike Lee & Tim Wise. Just in case you didn't quite get the message - white folks suck.

  32. @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..

    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as “Plot E” there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.
    Here’s a partial list of some of the “Greatest Generation” of Americans sent to “liberate” Europe and buried in Plot E of Oise-Aisne American Cemetery in France.

    Till is buried in grave #73, buried near him in grave #62 is Private William Harrison, a black soldier of the U.S. Army Air Corps, He was convicted by a court martial for sexually assaulting and strangling to death 7-year-old Patricia Wylie in a field at Killycolpy, near Stewartstown, County Tyrone in Northern Ireland on 25 September 1944.

    Also buried in Plot E are Corporal Robert L. Pearson and Private Parson Jones, both black soldiers of the 1698th Engineers, they were hanged on 17 March 1945. They were convicted by a court martial at Chard in Somerset for raping heavily pregnant Joyce Brown at Bonfire Orchard in Chard on 3 December 1944.

    Private Aniceto Martinez, a 24-year-old Hispanic soldier, was hanged on 15 June 1945. He was convicted by a court martial at Lichfield in Staffordshire for raping 75-year-old Agnes Cope in her home at 15 Sandy Lane, Rugeley in Staffordshire on 6 August 1944.

    Private Wiley Harris, Jr, a 26-year old black soldier, serving with the 626th Ordnance Ammunition Corp, was hanged on 26 May 1944. He was convicted by a court martial for stabbing to death Harry Coogan, a pimp, at Earl Street in Belfast, Northern Ireland on 6 March 1944.
    Private John C. Leatherberry, a 21-year old black soldier, serving with the 356th Engineer General Service Regiment, was hanged on 16 March 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Ipswich in Suffolk for strangling and battering to death 28-year-old taxi-driver Henry Claude Hailstone in a country lane south west of Colchester in Essex on 8 December 1943.

    Private Madison Thomas, a 23-year old black soldier, was hanged on 12 October 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Plymouth in Devon for raping Beatrice Maud Reynolds in a field at Albaston, near Gunnislake in Cornwall on 26 July 1944.

    Private Lee A. Davis, an 18-year-old black soldier, was hanged on 14 December 1943. He was convicted by a court martial at Marlborough in Wiltshire for fatally shooting 19-year-old Cynthia June Lay and raping Muriel Fawden near Savernake Hospital, Marlborough on 28 September 1943.

    The men accused of killing Till were combat veterans of World War Two and Korea with heroic and honorable service records. Don’t expect that to make it into the movie.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @11B4P


    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as “Plot E” there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.
     
    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That's roughly 83%.......

    Replies: @11B4P, @CCZ

    , @ben tillman
    @11B4P


    The men accused of killing Till were combat veterans of World War Two and Korea with heroic and honorable service records. Don’t expect that to make it into the movie.
     
    Nor the fact that they had several Black accomplices..
  33. @Anon
    @inertial

    I'm not so certain about that. The studios are capable of spending so much money making indignant-black films that they'll Emmett Till themselves right out of business. I can see these films getting an art-house size audience, and that's about it. There won't be much overseas profit coming in, either.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson

    They’re going to have to figure out how to put a famous Chinese actor into these Emmett Till movies.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    That's easy. The shopkeeper can be like a "chinese laundry" type of small business owner or something, with actress Lucy Liu playing the part (in heavy makeup) of the older looking shopkeeper.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    , @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    Perfect role for Will Smith's girly son.

  34. In Era of Black Lives Matter, Films Focus on Emmett Till Lynching

    A lynching is an extrajudicial expression of public outrage. Emmett Till’s death was a matter or private retribution by a man whose wife was assaulted.

    It wasn’t a lynching.

  35. @anon
    @syonredux

    I used to have a magazine called "After The Battle", a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war. Unfortunately it got accidentally thrown away. According to their web site all back issues are soon to be available for sale.

    Replies: @syonredux

    I used to have a magazine called “After The Battle”, a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war.

    Yeah, from what I’ve read, I get the distinct impression that Black American troops committed a disproportionate number of rapes during the war.Of course, no one seems to have done an actual statistical study of the matter (too afraid of what the results might show?).And whenever historians do refer to the number of Back troops who were convicted of rape, they always embed the info in PC-code (“The high number of Blacks soldiers convicted of rape no doubt reflects the racism that permeated the army….”).

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    "A Clockwork Orange" was inspired by the home invasion by American GIs in England during WWII of the house of Anthony Burgess's future wife. Anybody known more about this incident?

    Replies: @BB753, @syonredux

    , @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @syonredux

    Detailed accounts about the Yank presence and occupation would be very interesting to read. With many of their own men dead, lost or POW in Siberia, local populations probably welcomed many American soldiers. Perhaps the white ones got it voluntarily and the blacks had to resort to extraordinary persuasion beyond any concept of enthusiastic consent. Perhaps some of the willing participants withdrew what might have actually been 'enthusiastic consent' retroactively out of shame or guilt.

    Whatever racism might have been endemic to Germany, their experience with blacks was limited enough that they probably were naive, unprejudiced and open to possiblities that would have been unthinkable in the US. Black GIs who spent time in relationships with Germans have explained that they and their mixed marriages get fewer funny looks or hostility than when they have returned back to the States.

    Whatever crimes happened under American occupation, it's probably important not to forget the barbarity perpetrated under Soviet occupation. "A Woman in Berlin - Anonyma" is worthwhile deep film account of that experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin_(film)

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    , @The most deplorable one
    @syonredux

    No doubt whites got away with rape and murder more frequently!

    Where is Tiny D*ck when he is needed to bring out the Truth and Light.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

  36. Dirk Dagger [AKA "That\'s Not Who We Are"] says: • Website

    This Brittanee Drexel thing sounds very Quentin Tarantino-esque …

    The jailhouse informant, Taquan Brown, claims that Drexel was kidnapped, trafficked for sex, fatally shot, and then dumped in an alligator-infested swamp, according to the transcript of an Aug. 15 federal court hearing in Charleston, South Carolina.
    ——-
    Brown told investigators that he was in a McClellanville “stash house” in the days after Drexel’s disappearance and saw her there, being “sexually abused” by Taylor and others, according to the hearing testimony. Taylor’s father, Shaun Taylor, was also at the house, Brown allegedly said.

    Drexel escaped, ran from the home, but was caught, Brown allegedly claimed.

    “She was then described as pistol-whipped and brought back into the house,” Munoz testified about Brown’s allegations.

    Brown said he was outside but heard two shots. “And then Brittanee Drexel was then wrapped up and taken away from the house,” Munoz said. Brown suspected that Shaun Taylor shot Drexel, Munoz testified.
    ———-
    Asked what happened to the girl’s body, Munoz testified that it has not been found but that “several witnesses have told us Miss Drexel’s body was placed in a pit, or gator pit, to have her body disposed of. Eaten by the gators.” — From the Rochester [NY] Democrat & Chronicle

    … but in the Tarantino version, Brittannee is thrown into the gator pit, but isn’t dead, and comes back with her family for their bloody, almost sadistic, yet justifiable revenge.

    Brittannee … Beyoncé
    Brittanee’s Dad … Samuel L. Jackson
    Brittanee’s Grandpa … Morgan Freeman
    The bad, bad, bad, evil, South Carolinian gang leader … Benedict Cumberbatch (they love doing southern accents)
    Bad, bad, dad, evil, South Carolinian gang members … Thomas Kretchmann, Christopher Waltz, Viggo Mortensen
    FBI Special Agent Muñoz (who is also, it is later revealed, Brittanee’s lover) … Eva Longoria

  37. @11B4P
    @syonredux


    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..

     

    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as "Plot E" there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.
    Here's a partial list of some of the "Greatest Generation" of Americans sent to "liberate" Europe and buried in Plot E of Oise-Aisne American Cemetery in France.

    Till is buried in grave #73, buried near him in grave #62 is Private William Harrison, a black soldier of the U.S. Army Air Corps, He was convicted by a court martial for sexually assaulting and strangling to death 7-year-old Patricia Wylie in a field at Killycolpy, near Stewartstown, County Tyrone in Northern Ireland on 25 September 1944.

    Also buried in Plot E are Corporal Robert L. Pearson and Private Parson Jones, both black soldiers of the 1698th Engineers, they were hanged on 17 March 1945. They were convicted by a court martial at Chard in Somerset for raping heavily pregnant Joyce Brown at Bonfire Orchard in Chard on 3 December 1944.

    Private Aniceto Martinez, a 24-year-old Hispanic soldier, was hanged on 15 June 1945. He was convicted by a court martial at Lichfield in Staffordshire for raping 75-year-old Agnes Cope in her home at 15 Sandy Lane, Rugeley in Staffordshire on 6 August 1944.

    Private Wiley Harris, Jr, a 26-year old black soldier, serving with the 626th Ordnance Ammunition Corp, was hanged on 26 May 1944. He was convicted by a court martial for stabbing to death Harry Coogan, a pimp, at Earl Street in Belfast, Northern Ireland on 6 March 1944.
    Private John C. Leatherberry, a 21-year old black soldier, serving with the 356th Engineer General Service Regiment, was hanged on 16 March 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Ipswich in Suffolk for strangling and battering to death 28-year-old taxi-driver Henry Claude Hailstone in a country lane south west of Colchester in Essex on 8 December 1943.

    Private Madison Thomas, a 23-year old black soldier, was hanged on 12 October 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Plymouth in Devon for raping Beatrice Maud Reynolds in a field at Albaston, near Gunnislake in Cornwall on 26 July 1944.

    Private Lee A. Davis, an 18-year-old black soldier, was hanged on 14 December 1943. He was convicted by a court martial at Marlborough in Wiltshire for fatally shooting 19-year-old Cynthia June Lay and raping Muriel Fawden near Savernake Hospital, Marlborough on 28 September 1943.

    The men accused of killing Till were combat veterans of World War Two and Korea with heroic and honorable service records. Don't expect that to make it into the movie.

    Replies: @syonredux, @ben tillman

    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as “Plot E” there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.

    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That’s roughly 83%…….

    • Replies: @11B4P
    @syonredux


    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That’s roughly 83%…….
     
    One of the men buried in Plot E was PVT Eddie Slovik, he has executed for desertion, they needed to make an example out of a working class white boy to stop a rash of desertions going on in the E.T.O. at the time. He was exhumed in the 1980's and buried in Michigan by his sister after she made a request to President Reagan.

    The "Ultra Violence" from the Novel a Clockwork Orange was partially based on the personal experience of the author, from Wikipedia "his pregnant wife Lynne was beaten and raped by four American deserters in her home and perhaps as a result she lost the child" Burgess was stationed in Gibraltar at the time and was denied leave to see her. I've tried to find out the identies of her rapists, I'm not sure if it's known. It's funny how none of this stuff ever makes it into the Greatest Generation movies.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    , @CCZ
    @syonredux

    A university professor’s academic interpretation of “Plot E” graves: “classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers.” Full text below.


    A Hidden Memorial to the Worst Aspects of Our Jim Crow Army
    September 25, 2005|
    By Alice Kaplan, Professor of Literature and History at Duke University

    “I found Louis Till's grave in France, in a small plot of land outside the official grounds of the Oise-Aisne World War I American cemetery. In what is known as "Plot E" there are 96 markers, marble squares with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers, all of them tried and convicted in U.S. Army courts-martial of crimes of rape and murder. That means that 83 percent of the men executed in Europe, North Africa and the Mediterranean Theaters of Operation were African-Americans, in an Army that was only 8.5 percent black. The procedures in their trials were faulty enough to have led to a total reform of military justice after WWII, to a uniform code and the establishment of a court of military appeals.

    Plot E, closed to the public, nonetheless exists. While privacy may have been protected at Plot E, history has been lost. As a nation, we live with the consequences of repressing our bad memories. An Army where black soldiers were classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers. We recently remembered the 50th anniversary of Emmett Till's murder and unjust trial. We also need to remember Louis Till's trial, not because he was innocent, but because we as a nation were guilty.”
     

    Replies: @syonredux, @11B4P

  38. @syonredux
    @anon


    I used to have a magazine called “After The Battle”, a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war.
     
    Yeah, from what I've read, I get the distinct impression that Black American troops committed a disproportionate number of rapes during the war.Of course, no one seems to have done an actual statistical study of the matter (too afraid of what the results might show?).And whenever historians do refer to the number of Back troops who were convicted of rape, they always embed the info in PC-code ("The high number of Blacks soldiers convicted of rape no doubt reflects the racism that permeated the army....").

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @The most deplorable one

    “A Clockwork Orange” was inspired by the home invasion by American GIs in England during WWII of the house of Anthony Burgess’s future wife. Anybody known more about this incident?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Steve Sailer

    Burgess briefly described the tragedy in the first part of his quite enjoyable memoirs, " Little Wilson and big God".
    There's no mention of the race of the attackers that I can remember.

    https://brandonblakely.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/anthony-burgesss-little-wilson-and-big-god-being-the-frist-part-of-the-confessions-of-anthony-burgess/

    , @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    “A Clockwork Orange” was inspired by the home invasion by American GIs in England during WWII of the house of Anthony Burgess’s future wife. Anybody known more about this incident?
     
    Everything that I've read simply refers to them as "four American deserters." No mention of their race. Which sounds a tad suspicious. Plus, at least in recent years, gang-rape seems rather more of a Black phenomenon...

    Replies: @David In TN

  39. @MLK
    This post reminded me of this news from 12 years ago:


    NYTimes: U.S. to Reopen Investigation of Emmett Till's Murder in 1955


    We really should know after all these years whether or not he whistled at that white woman.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    This post reminded me of this news from 12 years ago:

    NYTimes: U.S. to Reopen Investigation of Emmett Till’s Murder in 1955

    We really should know after all these years whether or not he whistled at that white woman.

    A lot of us would like to know exactly what he did, although I doubt any official investigation would make much effort to find the truth. There’s no doubt he assaulted her, and there’s little doubt that he did something that would qualify as sexual assault (which is not the same thing as rape). But how bad was it? Did he in fact rape her? Roy Bryant said no, in his interview with Look, but he might have just been protecting his wife from prurient interest.

    • Replies: @Polymath
    @ben tillman

    I doubt he raped her - too many witnesses, too little time.

    Carolyn Bryant's account, from Wikipedia:
    "Bryant testified during the murder trial that Till grabbed her hand while she was stocking candy and said, "How about a date, baby?"[27] She said that after she freed herself from his grasp, the young man followed her to the cash register,[27] grabbed her waist and said, "What's the matter baby, can't you take it?"[27] Bryant said she freed herself, and Till said, "You needn't be afraid of me, baby,"[27] used "one 'unprintable' word"[27] and said "I've been with white women before."[27] Bryant also alleged that one of Till's companions came into the store, grabbed him by the arm, and ordered him to leave.[27]

    "Till's cousin, Simeon Wright, writing about the incident decades later, challenged Carolyn Bryant's account.[28] Entering the store "less than a minute" after Till was left inside alone with Bryant,[28] Wright saw no inappropriate behavior and heard "no lecherous conversation."[28] Wright said Till "paid for his items and we left the store together."[28]

    "The FBI noted in their 2006 investigation of the cold case that a second anonymous source, who was confirmed to have been in the store at the same time as Till and his cousin, supported Wright's account.[21]

    "In any event, Bryant was allegedly so alarmed she ran outside to a car to retrieve a pistol from under the seat. Upon seeing her do this, the teenagers left immediately.[26] It was acknowledged that while Bryant was running to her car, Till whistled.[21] However, it is disputed whether Till whistled toward Carolyn or toward a checkers game that was occurring just across the street.[2]"

    _____

    Till was a little taller and a lot heavier than Carolyn Bryant, who was only 21 herself.

    There is a whole lot of obnoxiousness a boy or man can do in less than a minute. The check-list of my youth:
    men murmuring obscenities and propositions for my ears alone,
    being trophy-hunted by young black men
    being restrained by the wrist and groped by a young black man

    In the late fifties and early sixties my young parents had at least three felonies committed against them in Chicago by black boys Till's age, including one brutal beating and mugging.

    So, for me, Carolyn Bryant's account resonates, as the progressives say.

  40. @Jefferson
    @syonredux

    "Hanged, not hung.

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2….."

    According to the George Lucas film Red Tails, it was always consensual and never rape.

    Replies: @syonredux

    “Hanged, not hung.

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..”

    According to the George Lucas film Red Tails, it was always consensual and never rape.

    Be interesting to see Lucas’ view of the Marocchinate

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marocchinate

  41. @Ulysses
    Hahaha Emmett Till, the Trilogy nonono, the Tillogy
    1: Emmett Begins
    2. Too Emmett Too Furious at Racist White Oppression
    3. Emmett Till: Till the end

    Replies: @Veracitor, @Olorin

    Dreams from Emmett Till: Abolition to Zebra(-Killer)

  42. @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    "A Clockwork Orange" was inspired by the home invasion by American GIs in England during WWII of the house of Anthony Burgess's future wife. Anybody known more about this incident?

    Replies: @BB753, @syonredux

    Burgess briefly described the tragedy in the first part of his quite enjoyable memoirs, ” Little Wilson and big God”.
    There’s no mention of the race of the attackers that I can remember.

    https://brandonblakely.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/anthony-burgesss-little-wilson-and-big-god-being-the-frist-part-of-the-confessions-of-anthony-burgess/

  43. @Steve Sailer
    @syonredux

    "A Clockwork Orange" was inspired by the home invasion by American GIs in England during WWII of the house of Anthony Burgess's future wife. Anybody known more about this incident?

    Replies: @BB753, @syonredux

    “A Clockwork Orange” was inspired by the home invasion by American GIs in England during WWII of the house of Anthony Burgess’s future wife. Anybody known more about this incident?

    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of their race. Which sounds a tad suspicious. Plus, at least in recent years, gang-rape seems rather more of a Black phenomenon…

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @syonredux

    "Plus, at least in recent years, gang-rape seems rather more of a Black Phenomenon."

    It always has been, not just "recent years."

  44. @11B4P
    @syonredux


    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..

     

    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as "Plot E" there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.
    Here's a partial list of some of the "Greatest Generation" of Americans sent to "liberate" Europe and buried in Plot E of Oise-Aisne American Cemetery in France.

    Till is buried in grave #73, buried near him in grave #62 is Private William Harrison, a black soldier of the U.S. Army Air Corps, He was convicted by a court martial for sexually assaulting and strangling to death 7-year-old Patricia Wylie in a field at Killycolpy, near Stewartstown, County Tyrone in Northern Ireland on 25 September 1944.

    Also buried in Plot E are Corporal Robert L. Pearson and Private Parson Jones, both black soldiers of the 1698th Engineers, they were hanged on 17 March 1945. They were convicted by a court martial at Chard in Somerset for raping heavily pregnant Joyce Brown at Bonfire Orchard in Chard on 3 December 1944.

    Private Aniceto Martinez, a 24-year-old Hispanic soldier, was hanged on 15 June 1945. He was convicted by a court martial at Lichfield in Staffordshire for raping 75-year-old Agnes Cope in her home at 15 Sandy Lane, Rugeley in Staffordshire on 6 August 1944.

    Private Wiley Harris, Jr, a 26-year old black soldier, serving with the 626th Ordnance Ammunition Corp, was hanged on 26 May 1944. He was convicted by a court martial for stabbing to death Harry Coogan, a pimp, at Earl Street in Belfast, Northern Ireland on 6 March 1944.
    Private John C. Leatherberry, a 21-year old black soldier, serving with the 356th Engineer General Service Regiment, was hanged on 16 March 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Ipswich in Suffolk for strangling and battering to death 28-year-old taxi-driver Henry Claude Hailstone in a country lane south west of Colchester in Essex on 8 December 1943.

    Private Madison Thomas, a 23-year old black soldier, was hanged on 12 October 1944. He was convicted by a court martial at Plymouth in Devon for raping Beatrice Maud Reynolds in a field at Albaston, near Gunnislake in Cornwall on 26 July 1944.

    Private Lee A. Davis, an 18-year-old black soldier, was hanged on 14 December 1943. He was convicted by a court martial at Marlborough in Wiltshire for fatally shooting 19-year-old Cynthia June Lay and raping Muriel Fawden near Savernake Hospital, Marlborough on 28 September 1943.

    The men accused of killing Till were combat veterans of World War Two and Korea with heroic and honorable service records. Don't expect that to make it into the movie.

    Replies: @syonredux, @ben tillman

    The men accused of killing Till were combat veterans of World War Two and Korea with heroic and honorable service records. Don’t expect that to make it into the movie.

    Nor the fact that they had several Black accomplices..

  45. @syonredux
    @11B4P


    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as “Plot E” there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.
     
    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That's roughly 83%.......

    Replies: @11B4P, @CCZ

    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That’s roughly 83%…….

    One of the men buried in Plot E was PVT Eddie Slovik, he has executed for desertion, they needed to make an example out of a working class white boy to stop a rash of desertions going on in the E.T.O. at the time. He was exhumed in the 1980’s and buried in Michigan by his sister after she made a request to President Reagan.

    The “Ultra Violence” from the Novel a Clockwork Orange was partially based on the personal experience of the author, from Wikipedia “his pregnant wife Lynne was beaten and raped by four American deserters in her home and perhaps as a result she lost the child” Burgess was stationed in Gibraltar at the time and was denied leave to see her. I’ve tried to find out the identies of her rapists, I’m not sure if it’s known. It’s funny how none of this stuff ever makes it into the Greatest Generation movies.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @11B4P


    One of the men buried in Plot E was PVT Eddie Slovik, he has executed for desertion, they needed to make an example out of a working class white boy to stop a rash of desertions going on in the E.T.O. at the time. He was exhumed in the 1980′s and buried in Michigan by his sister after she made a request to President Reagan.
     
    So, 80 out of 95 were non-White
    , @syonredux
    @11B4P


    The “Ultra Violence” from the Novel a Clockwork Orange was partially based on the personal experience of the author, from Wikipedia “his pregnant wife Lynne was beaten and raped by four American deserters in her home and perhaps as a result she lost the child” Burgess was stationed in Gibraltar at the time and was denied leave to see her. I’ve tried to find out the identies of her rapists, I’m not sure if it’s known.
     
    Everything that I've read simply refers to them as "four American deserters." No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me...

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  46. @JohnnyWalker123
    @syonredux

    This has been an issue in Japan too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

    Back in 1995, there was a famous rape case out of Okinawa.


    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident took place on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen - U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa - rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Japanese girl. They beat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so out of fear of Gill.[1] The incident led to further debate over the continued presence of U.S. forces in Japan.
     

    The offenders were tried and convicted in Japanese court by Japanese law, in accordance with the SOFA agreements. The families of the defendants initially claimed that Japanese officials had discriminated against the men because they were African American and coerced confessions from them, but later retracted the claims.[7]
     
    Black soldiers were overrepresented in rape statistics during the WWII era.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/07/us/when-black-soldiers-were-hanged-a-war-s-footnote.html

    The rate of execution for black soldiers was even higher for the rape of civilians, for which 25 blacks (87 percent) and 4 whites (13 percent) were put to death. In 28 murder convictions, 22 blacks and 6 whites were executed. Of the 12 executed for murder and rape, 8 were black and 4 were white. The other execution was that of Eddie Slovik, a white, for desertion. The United States Army Center of Military History in Washington says very little information is available on the subject. But one historian there, Russell J. Parkinson, was able to confirm the basic data that Mr. Lilly is using. "There's clearly a black preponderance," Mr. Parkinson said, after reviewing the execution records and finding Mr. Lilly's quest a worthy avenue for scholarship.
     
    Blacks were 7% of U.S. soldiers during WWII, but were 87% of those executed for rape. If I'm doing my math right (someone here should double check), black WWII soldiers were 89x more likely to be executed for rape than white soldiers. That's a stunning statistic.

    Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch, @11B4P, @EH

    “black WWII soldiers were 89x more likely to be executed for rape than white soldiers. That’s a stunning statistic” Sounds more like a Hate Fact.

  47. @11B4P
    @syonredux


    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That’s roughly 83%…….
     
    One of the men buried in Plot E was PVT Eddie Slovik, he has executed for desertion, they needed to make an example out of a working class white boy to stop a rash of desertions going on in the E.T.O. at the time. He was exhumed in the 1980's and buried in Michigan by his sister after she made a request to President Reagan.

    The "Ultra Violence" from the Novel a Clockwork Orange was partially based on the personal experience of the author, from Wikipedia "his pregnant wife Lynne was beaten and raped by four American deserters in her home and perhaps as a result she lost the child" Burgess was stationed in Gibraltar at the time and was denied leave to see her. I've tried to find out the identies of her rapists, I'm not sure if it's known. It's funny how none of this stuff ever makes it into the Greatest Generation movies.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    One of the men buried in Plot E was PVT Eddie Slovik, he has executed for desertion, they needed to make an example out of a working class white boy to stop a rash of desertions going on in the E.T.O. at the time. He was exhumed in the 1980′s and buried in Michigan by his sister after she made a request to President Reagan.

    So, 80 out of 95 were non-White

  48. @11B4P
    @syonredux


    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That’s roughly 83%…….
     
    One of the men buried in Plot E was PVT Eddie Slovik, he has executed for desertion, they needed to make an example out of a working class white boy to stop a rash of desertions going on in the E.T.O. at the time. He was exhumed in the 1980's and buried in Michigan by his sister after she made a request to President Reagan.

    The "Ultra Violence" from the Novel a Clockwork Orange was partially based on the personal experience of the author, from Wikipedia "his pregnant wife Lynne was beaten and raped by four American deserters in her home and perhaps as a result she lost the child" Burgess was stationed in Gibraltar at the time and was denied leave to see her. I've tried to find out the identies of her rapists, I'm not sure if it's known. It's funny how none of this stuff ever makes it into the Greatest Generation movies.

    Replies: @syonredux, @syonredux

    The “Ultra Violence” from the Novel a Clockwork Orange was partially based on the personal experience of the author, from Wikipedia “his pregnant wife Lynne was beaten and raped by four American deserters in her home and perhaps as a result she lost the child” Burgess was stationed in Gibraltar at the time and was denied leave to see her. I’ve tried to find out the identies of her rapists, I’m not sure if it’s known.

    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux


    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…
     
    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn't been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as "Negro soldiers" and would have been identified as such if they had been in such an incident.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to "GIs who were AWOL" suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed. It is quite possible also that the incident was hushed up and not publicized because of wartime censorship and the need then to preserve British civilian goodwill for US troops.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

  49. Three movies about Emmet Till, that should advance The Conversation fruitfully. It’s an embarassment of riches.

    Perhaps with these movies a critical mass of people will reach saturation point, and that will precipitate an honest discussion about race and crime.

  50. @Auntie Analogue
    We are, it seems, to hear nonstop about this Till the end of time.

    On the other hand, we will almost never hear about this - two versions follow:

    1) The Atlanta Journal Constitution: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-beaten-burned-in-georgia-home-dies-at-83/nsM8b/

    2) VDARE: http://www.vdare.com/posts/her-name-is-dorothy-dow-white-great-grandmother-set-on-fire-by-five-blacks-in-violent-georgia-home-invasion-passes-away

    You may judge which one of the two versions is the more forthcoming or, shall we say, the more honest and detailed reportage.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Tex

    Locally prominent 96 year old Kate Bell, has an elementary school named after her, was beaten to death outside a burger joint for her purse.

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=bell&GSfn=catherine&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=46&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=7273738&df=all&

  51. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    They're going to have to figure out how to put a famous Chinese actor into these Emmett Till movies.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Brutusale

    That’s easy. The shopkeeper can be like a “chinese laundry” type of small business owner or something, with actress Lucy Liu playing the part (in heavy makeup) of the older looking shopkeeper.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "That’s easy. The shopkeeper can be like a “chinese laundry” type of small business owner or something, with actress Lucy Liu playing the part (in heavy makeup) of the older looking shopkeeper."

    Lucy Liu is 47 years of age so she's already old, she's no spring chicken college sorority girl in her late teens or early 20s. It's just that she has aged well.

  52. @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..

    It was nothing compared to what Moroccan French Colonial Goumier troops did after Monte Cassino in Italy—incidentally, which was used as a plot device in Vittoria de Sica’s Italian film ‘Two Women’. And that in turn was nothing compared with what the Red Army did in WWII. Or the Imperial Japanese Army did in Asia. Perhaps that is why no one has zeroed in on it.

    Rape in the aftermath of battle goes back to the beginning of history. Many warrior cultures considered it to be something along the lines of the justified spoils of war. The largely Anglo-American ethic of rape being not condoned in time of war is an very recent exception.

    This is a pretty difficult topic for historians to document accurately, as wartime and post-war propaganda usually inflates the perception of the incidence of rape by soldiers.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @PiltdownMan

    Yes, but come come now. When the question becomes Who? Whom? as in "which group is considered to be the racist/bigot/homophobe/etc in current popular culture, established Narrative of the official record, then it becomes quite easy regarding which pieces of propaganda will be produced and which ones will not.

    If we were to say, forget wartime for a moment and look at say, civilian life in 2016 (e.g. read the Color of Crime for instance based in large part on the Dept. of Justice's own stats) as to which groups in the US commit the most rapes vs other groups, then the answer becomes a lot clearer and less in doubt.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    As 11B4P documents above, Plot E is not full of soldiers who raped the enemy in the aftermath of battle. Apples and oranges.

    Replies: @David In TN

    , @donut
    @PiltdownMan

    You could try : " What Soldiers Do " by Mary Louise Roberts , Available on Amazon .

    It seems pretty obvious what happened to this woman . I'm guessing this isn't from a Soviet news reel .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwAYgjG6SkM

  53. @Ivy
    @inertial

    Tillocaust educational programming will kick in after the theatrical releases have run their course. The school showings will help defray the Hollywood studio costs. The overall bottom line will be supplemented by mandatory admission fees, kickbacks from speakers and program managers, and property tax increases.

    Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch

    Don’t forget on the opening night release – Ta Nehisi Coates will do a short lecture before the film, after the film a Q & A with Spike Lee & Tim Wise. Just in case you didn’t quite get the message – white folks suck.

  54. The most deplorable one [AKA "The Fourth Political Theory"] says:
    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @The most deplorable one

    Yeah, I saw that too. My father who lives in DC has been saying for over a year that there will be disturbances/problems etc. forcing suspension of the election and an emergency Obama continuation.
    I thought he was nuts but I'm starting to wonder what he's sniffing in the DC zeitgeist that I don't have access to...

  55. @syonredux
    @11B4P


    The “Ultra Violence” from the Novel a Clockwork Orange was partially based on the personal experience of the author, from Wikipedia “his pregnant wife Lynne was beaten and raped by four American deserters in her home and perhaps as a result she lost the child” Burgess was stationed in Gibraltar at the time and was denied leave to see her. I’ve tried to find out the identies of her rapists, I’m not sure if it’s known.
     
    Everything that I've read simply refers to them as "four American deserters." No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me...

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…

    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn’t been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as “Negro soldiers” and would have been identified as such if they had been in such an incident.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to “GIs who were AWOL” suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed. It is quite possible also that the incident was hushed up and not publicized because of wartime censorship and the need then to preserve British civilian goodwill for US troops.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @PiltdownMan


    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…

    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn’t been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as “Negro soldiers” and identified as such.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to “GIs who were AWOL” suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed.
     
    Sure.If they were Black, a contemporary account would almost certainly have made reference to that fact. However, all the stuff that I have read on the matter was written much later. Hence, it's quite possible that their racial background is being censored.

    Replies: @Lurker, @BB753

    , @Expletive Deleted
    @PiltdownMan

    The Yanks used Cornhill to do their bad lads in. One or other of the Pierrepoints did a few, two got shot.


    "Under the provisions of the United States of America (Visiting Forces) Act 1942, a total of eighteen American servicemen were executed within the prison walls. Sixteen were hanged in the execution block and two were shot by firing squad in the prison yard "- wiki for HMP Shepton Mallett
     

    Although the American army was 90% white, 10 of the 18 men hanged there were black and three were Hispanic.
     
    [list follows if you're curious]

    Mostly rape, although it wasn't a capital offence in UK at the the time, so we just sort of lease-lent the hangman, as most of these included some sort of attempt or actual success with murder.
    No idea what Burgess was on about, never heard of it. Was there a trial or something? In the blackout? Was this in London, or Manchester/Liverpool? What sort of "servicemen" strayed that far abroad?
    To my nasty suspicious mind, and being familiar with the milieu, tales and "codes" of "what went on in the War" from the preceding generation, I'd call it a half-serious attempt to explain away a botched backstreet abortion to inconveniently absent ueber-catholic hubby, subsequently spread to arch-popish relations etc. to save everyone's non-divorcing face.
    Then she hit the bottle, hard, like a huge proportion of respectable middle-clarrss couples of that vintage. (I tried to tot up what the wife's parents habitually necked, once, and realised that if I did it, I'd just die. All spirits, too. Beer strictly for the proles, "Empire Wine"simply frightful, still exists as "fortified sherry", Buckfast etc. ; France did not exist, having been eaten whole by Quasimodo or something during the Revolution).

    Replies: @BB753

  56. @syonredux
    @anon


    I used to have a magazine called “After The Battle”, a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war.
     
    Yeah, from what I've read, I get the distinct impression that Black American troops committed a disproportionate number of rapes during the war.Of course, no one seems to have done an actual statistical study of the matter (too afraid of what the results might show?).And whenever historians do refer to the number of Back troops who were convicted of rape, they always embed the info in PC-code ("The high number of Blacks soldiers convicted of rape no doubt reflects the racism that permeated the army....").

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @The most deplorable one

    Detailed accounts about the Yank presence and occupation would be very interesting to read. With many of their own men dead, lost or POW in Siberia, local populations probably welcomed many American soldiers. Perhaps the white ones got it voluntarily and the blacks had to resort to extraordinary persuasion beyond any concept of enthusiastic consent. Perhaps some of the willing participants withdrew what might have actually been ‘enthusiastic consent’ retroactively out of shame or guilt.

    Whatever racism might have been endemic to Germany, their experience with blacks was limited enough that they probably were naive, unprejudiced and open to possiblities that would have been unthinkable in the US. Black GIs who spent time in relationships with Germans have explained that they and their mixed marriages get fewer funny looks or hostility than when they have returned back to the States.

    Whatever crimes happened under American occupation, it’s probably important not to forget the barbarity perpetrated under Soviet occupation. “A Woman in Berlin – Anonyma” is worthwhile deep film account of that experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin_(film)

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    Oh, don't worry you'll never be allowed to forget Soviet Barbarity.
    Just as you'll never be reminded of the more than a million Germans killed in the barbaric Eisenhower's concentration camps in Germany after the war.

  57. The most deplorable one [AKA "The Fourth Political Theory"] says:
    @syonredux
    @anon


    I used to have a magazine called “After The Battle”, a British publication that revisited sites of battles and other important places in WWII that gave a detailed account of Americans, mostly black, hanged for rape and murder during the war.
     
    Yeah, from what I've read, I get the distinct impression that Black American troops committed a disproportionate number of rapes during the war.Of course, no one seems to have done an actual statistical study of the matter (too afraid of what the results might show?).And whenever historians do refer to the number of Back troops who were convicted of rape, they always embed the info in PC-code ("The high number of Blacks soldiers convicted of rape no doubt reflects the racism that permeated the army....").

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta, @The most deplorable one

    No doubt whites got away with rape and murder more frequently!

    Where is Tiny D*ck when he is needed to bring out the Truth and Light.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @The most deplorable one

    I remember reading about this a while ago...


    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?
     
    http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1021298.html

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @Marcus

  58. @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux


    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…
     
    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn't been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as "Negro soldiers" and would have been identified as such if they had been in such an incident.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to "GIs who were AWOL" suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed. It is quite possible also that the incident was hushed up and not publicized because of wartime censorship and the need then to preserve British civilian goodwill for US troops.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…

    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn’t been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as “Negro soldiers” and identified as such.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to “GIs who were AWOL” suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed.

    Sure.If they were Black, a contemporary account would almost certainly have made reference to that fact. However, all the stuff that I have read on the matter was written much later. Hence, it’s quite possible that their racial background is being censored.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @syonredux

    In theory, somewhere there should be British police and/or US Army records of the incident. I wouldn't know where to start looking though.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    , @BB753
    @syonredux

    It's all the more strange since Burgess wrote before PC times, and wasn't shy in his memoirs of pointing out the various colonials, such as Sikhs and whatnot, who groped his wife abroad. Burgess later married an Italian woman who'd been married to an African of some sort ( from memory, I read the book nearly 20 years ago). He seemed fine with Subcontinentals and Malays, but wasn't too fond of Blacks. But then, who is?

  59. @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux


    ...

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..
     

    It was nothing compared to what Moroccan French Colonial Goumier troops did after Monte Cassino in Italy—incidentally, which was used as a plot device in Vittoria de Sica's Italian film 'Two Women'. And that in turn was nothing compared with what the Red Army did in WWII. Or the Imperial Japanese Army did in Asia. Perhaps that is why no one has zeroed in on it.

    Rape in the aftermath of battle goes back to the beginning of history. Many warrior cultures considered it to be something along the lines of the justified spoils of war. The largely Anglo-American ethic of rape being not condoned in time of war is an very recent exception.

    This is a pretty difficult topic for historians to document accurately, as wartime and post-war propaganda usually inflates the perception of the incidence of rape by soldiers.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Chrisnonymous, @donut

    Yes, but come come now. When the question becomes Who? Whom? as in “which group is considered to be the racist/bigot/homophobe/etc in current popular culture, established Narrative of the official record, then it becomes quite easy regarding which pieces of propaganda will be produced and which ones will not.

    If we were to say, forget wartime for a moment and look at say, civilian life in 2016 (e.g. read the Color of Crime for instance based in large part on the Dept. of Justice’s own stats) as to which groups in the US commit the most rapes vs other groups, then the answer becomes a lot clearer and less in doubt.

  60. @syonredux
    @11B4P


    In an American military cemetery in France. In what is known as “Plot E” there are 96 markers with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers including Louis Till, all of them executed for rape and murder.
     
    So, 80 out of 96 executed rapists and murderers were non-White.That's roughly 83%.......

    Replies: @11B4P, @CCZ

    A university professor’s academic interpretation of “Plot E” graves: “classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers.” Full text below.

    A Hidden Memorial to the Worst Aspects of Our Jim Crow Army
    September 25, 2005|
    By Alice Kaplan, Professor of Literature and History at Duke University

    “I found Louis Till’s grave in France, in a small plot of land outside the official grounds of the Oise-Aisne World War I American cemetery. In what is known as “Plot E” there are 96 markers, marble squares with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers, all of them tried and convicted in U.S. Army courts-martial of crimes of rape and murder. That means that 83 percent of the men executed in Europe, North Africa and the Mediterranean Theaters of Operation were African-Americans, in an Army that was only 8.5 percent black. The procedures in their trials were faulty enough to have led to a total reform of military justice after WWII, to a uniform code and the establishment of a court of military appeals.

    Plot E, closed to the public, nonetheless exists. While privacy may have been protected at Plot E, history has been lost. As a nation, we live with the consequences of repressing our bad memories. An Army where black soldiers were classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers. We recently remembered the 50th anniversary of Emmett Till’s murder and unjust trial. We also need to remember Louis Till’s trial, not because he was innocent, but because we as a nation were guilty.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @CCZ


    An Army where black soldiers were classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers. We recently remembered the 50th anniversary of Emmett Till’s murder and unjust trial. We also need to remember Louis Till’s trial, not because he was innocent, but because we as a nation were guilty.”
     
    Let me see if I understand this. Serving in a racially segregated military makes Blacks more likely to commit acts of murder and rape.....Which means that those rapes and murders are actually, when you think about it, the White Man's fault.....


    When PC meets insanity.
    , @11B4P
    @CCZ

    All of the black World War Two soldiers in question were in service/support units, most of the rapes occurred in the U.K, they were far from the stress of combat white soldiers were under.

    I was in the U.S. Army for 20 years I was "badly trained, poorly led and treated as less then human" for most of that time. It didn't turn me into a rapist, I guess that's just my white privilege.

    Replies: @Hhsiii

  61. @JohnnyWalker123
    @syonredux

    This has been an issue in Japan too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

    Back in 1995, there was a famous rape case out of Okinawa.


    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident took place on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen - U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa - rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Japanese girl. They beat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so out of fear of Gill.[1] The incident led to further debate over the continued presence of U.S. forces in Japan.
     

    The offenders were tried and convicted in Japanese court by Japanese law, in accordance with the SOFA agreements. The families of the defendants initially claimed that Japanese officials had discriminated against the men because they were African American and coerced confessions from them, but later retracted the claims.[7]
     
    Black soldiers were overrepresented in rape statistics during the WWII era.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/07/us/when-black-soldiers-were-hanged-a-war-s-footnote.html

    The rate of execution for black soldiers was even higher for the rape of civilians, for which 25 blacks (87 percent) and 4 whites (13 percent) were put to death. In 28 murder convictions, 22 blacks and 6 whites were executed. Of the 12 executed for murder and rape, 8 were black and 4 were white. The other execution was that of Eddie Slovik, a white, for desertion. The United States Army Center of Military History in Washington says very little information is available on the subject. But one historian there, Russell J. Parkinson, was able to confirm the basic data that Mr. Lilly is using. "There's clearly a black preponderance," Mr. Parkinson said, after reviewing the execution records and finding Mr. Lilly's quest a worthy avenue for scholarship.
     
    Blacks were 7% of U.S. soldiers during WWII, but were 87% of those executed for rape. If I'm doing my math right (someone here should double check), black WWII soldiers were 89x more likely to be executed for rape than white soldiers. That's a stunning statistic.

    Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch, @11B4P, @EH

    John A. Benett was the last US Soldier to be executed for rape:

    From Wikipedia

    “Bennett was born in Virginia to a family of African-American sharecroppers. He was epileptic, but managed to enlist in the U.S. Army when he was 18. Days before Christmas 1954, a heavily intoxicated Bennett left his base to find a brothel, but chanced upon an 11-year-old Austrian girl. He raped her in a meadow and tried to drown her. He was soon arrested, tried and convicted by a court-martial of First Degree Child Rape and Attempted First Degree Murder one month later and sentenced to death. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Bennett’s death warrant. Days before Bennett’s scheduled execution four years later, the victim and her parents wrote to President John F. Kennedy, asking that Bennett’s life be spared. Kennedy took no action on the appeals, letting his predecessor’s death warrant stand. Bennett was hanged at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in 1961.”

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @11B4P


    President John F. Kennedy, asking that Bennett’s life be spared. Kennedy took no action on the appeals, letting his predecessor’s death warrant stand. Bennett was hanged at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in 1961.”
     
    At least JFK did one good thing while in office.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @David In TN

  62. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @Steve Sailer

    That's easy. The shopkeeper can be like a "chinese laundry" type of small business owner or something, with actress Lucy Liu playing the part (in heavy makeup) of the older looking shopkeeper.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “That’s easy. The shopkeeper can be like a “chinese laundry” type of small business owner or something, with actress Lucy Liu playing the part (in heavy makeup) of the older looking shopkeeper.”

    Lucy Liu is 47 years of age so she’s already old, she’s no spring chicken college sorority girl in her late teens or early 20s. It’s just that she has aged well.

  63. @Anon
    @inertial

    I'm not so certain about that. The studios are capable of spending so much money making indignant-black films that they'll Emmett Till themselves right out of business. I can see these films getting an art-house size audience, and that's about it. There won't be much overseas profit coming in, either.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Jefferson

    “I’m not so certain about that. The studios are capable of spending so much money making indignant-black films that they’ll Emmett Till themselves right out of business. I can see these films getting an art-house size audience, and that’s about it. There won’t be much overseas profit coming in, either.”

    I remember reading that films with either a predominantly or all Black cast do not do well overseas.

    For example China’s love of Negroes is only limited to the NBA, it doesn’t extend to Black social justice warrior films about slavery & Jim Crow.

    I guarantee Nate Parker’s The Birth Of A Nation will not be a huge blockbuster hit in China.

    • Replies: @Whiskey
    @Jefferson

    Nate Parker's movie will never even play in China. China has seething resentment by its many minorities not the least of which are violent Muslim Uighurs, so no the racial revenge fantasy will not ever play there.

    China does limit US movies and TV shows, and shares only 25% not 50% of box office revenue with studios. The movies that China does take from Hollywood play in less desirable times; they have protectionism for their domestic movie and tv industry. Of course China carefully manages entertainment for messages and ideas.

    As for Obama canceling elections, its not just Trump. Anyone think the Most Famous Man in the World and Michelle would be happy being ex-President and ex-First Lady? And give up ALL THAT GRAFT to the Clinton Machine?

    President Hillary would freeze out the Obama Machine to an astonishing degree, and Obama has a whole political machine in the tens of thousands depending on him being in charge and ladeling out the graft. This includes Silicon Valley people and various hedge funds and of course many other sectors.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @CCZ

  64. @CCZ
    @syonredux

    A university professor’s academic interpretation of “Plot E” graves: “classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers.” Full text below.


    A Hidden Memorial to the Worst Aspects of Our Jim Crow Army
    September 25, 2005|
    By Alice Kaplan, Professor of Literature and History at Duke University

    “I found Louis Till's grave in France, in a small plot of land outside the official grounds of the Oise-Aisne World War I American cemetery. In what is known as "Plot E" there are 96 markers, marble squares with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers, all of them tried and convicted in U.S. Army courts-martial of crimes of rape and murder. That means that 83 percent of the men executed in Europe, North Africa and the Mediterranean Theaters of Operation were African-Americans, in an Army that was only 8.5 percent black. The procedures in their trials were faulty enough to have led to a total reform of military justice after WWII, to a uniform code and the establishment of a court of military appeals.

    Plot E, closed to the public, nonetheless exists. While privacy may have been protected at Plot E, history has been lost. As a nation, we live with the consequences of repressing our bad memories. An Army where black soldiers were classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers. We recently remembered the 50th anniversary of Emmett Till's murder and unjust trial. We also need to remember Louis Till's trial, not because he was innocent, but because we as a nation were guilty.”
     

    Replies: @syonredux, @11B4P

    An Army where black soldiers were classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers. We recently remembered the 50th anniversary of Emmett Till’s murder and unjust trial. We also need to remember Louis Till’s trial, not because he was innocent, but because we as a nation were guilty.”

    Let me see if I understand this. Serving in a racially segregated military makes Blacks more likely to commit acts of murder and rape…..Which means that those rapes and murders are actually, when you think about it, the White Man’s fault…..

    When PC meets insanity.

  65. @11B4P
    @JohnnyWalker123

    John A. Benett was the last US Soldier to be executed for rape:

    From Wikipedia


    "Bennett was born in Virginia to a family of African-American sharecroppers. He was epileptic, but managed to enlist in the U.S. Army when he was 18. Days before Christmas 1954, a heavily intoxicated Bennett left his base to find a brothel, but chanced upon an 11-year-old Austrian girl. He raped her in a meadow and tried to drown her. He was soon arrested, tried and convicted by a court-martial of First Degree Child Rape and Attempted First Degree Murder one month later and sentenced to death. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed Bennett's death warrant. Days before Bennett's scheduled execution four years later, the victim and her parents wrote to President John F. Kennedy, asking that Bennett's life be spared. Kennedy took no action on the appeals, letting his predecessor's death warrant stand. Bennett was hanged at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in 1961."
     

    Replies: @syonredux

    President John F. Kennedy, asking that Bennett’s life be spared. Kennedy took no action on the appeals, letting his predecessor’s death warrant stand. Bennett was hanged at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in 1961.”

    At least JFK did one good thing while in office.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @syonredux

    He should have written a letter of disgust and reprimand to the victim's parents.

    , @David In TN
    @syonredux

    "At least JFK did one good thing while in office."

    I recall Ben Bradlee mentioning this incident in his memoir about his friendship with JFK. Bradlee expressed his disapproval of the president "allowing this man to be executed."

    JFK told Bradlee "he believed in the death penalty," or words to that effect.

  66. It’s still not too late to pip all three at the Oscars with a screen adaptation of Anne and Emmett.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_and_Emmett

    Anne and Emmett is a play by Janet Langhart Cohen. The play details an imaginary conversation between Emmett Till and Anne Frank which takes place in Memory a non-specific afterlife or alternate dimension. The play primarily consists of retelling the lives of the Till and Frank, and comparing and contrasting the events in their lives.[1]
    The show features recorded narration by Morgan Freeman, and a score by Joshua Coyne

    • LOL: SPMoore8
  67. @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux


    ...

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..
     

    It was nothing compared to what Moroccan French Colonial Goumier troops did after Monte Cassino in Italy—incidentally, which was used as a plot device in Vittoria de Sica's Italian film 'Two Women'. And that in turn was nothing compared with what the Red Army did in WWII. Or the Imperial Japanese Army did in Asia. Perhaps that is why no one has zeroed in on it.

    Rape in the aftermath of battle goes back to the beginning of history. Many warrior cultures considered it to be something along the lines of the justified spoils of war. The largely Anglo-American ethic of rape being not condoned in time of war is an very recent exception.

    This is a pretty difficult topic for historians to document accurately, as wartime and post-war propaganda usually inflates the perception of the incidence of rape by soldiers.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Chrisnonymous, @donut

    As 11B4P documents above, Plot E is not full of soldiers who raped the enemy in the aftermath of battle. Apples and oranges.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    @Chrisnonymous

    "Plot E is not full of soldiers who raped the enemy in the aftermath of battle. Apples and oranges."

    Exactly. Most were far away from the front line.

  68. @JohnnyWalker123
    How many movies on the Palestinian Nakba are in the works?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7FML0wzJ6A

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @biz, @anon

    palestinians killed by israel since 1967-22,000

    papuans killed by indonesia since 1963–550,000

    christian sudanese killed by sudan –1 million plus

    seems appropriate that we see papuan and darfuri movies first……

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @anon

    Its not simply a numbers game. Who makes the Emmett Till movies, who lives in Israel?

    Replies: @anon, @biz

  69. @syonredux
    @11B4P


    President John F. Kennedy, asking that Bennett’s life be spared. Kennedy took no action on the appeals, letting his predecessor’s death warrant stand. Bennett was hanged at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in 1961.”
     
    At least JFK did one good thing while in office.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @David In TN

    He should have written a letter of disgust and reprimand to the victim’s parents.

  70. @syonredux
    @PiltdownMan


    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…

    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn’t been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as “Negro soldiers” and identified as such.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to “GIs who were AWOL” suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed.
     
    Sure.If they were Black, a contemporary account would almost certainly have made reference to that fact. However, all the stuff that I have read on the matter was written much later. Hence, it's quite possible that their racial background is being censored.

    Replies: @Lurker, @BB753

    In theory, somewhere there should be British police and/or US Army records of the incident. I wouldn’t know where to start looking though.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Lurker


    In theory, somewhere there should be British police and/or US Army records of the incident. I wouldn’t know where to start looking though.
     
    The National Archives in St. Louis has US Army court martial records from WWII. The problem is that you have to know the name(s) of the accused, not the victim, to pinpoint the relevant court martial transcript. Back to square one...
  71. How are they going to make a full-length movie about this incident? There’s not really much content there. Unless it’s going to be a Passion of the Till kinda thing, with gruesome extended torture scenes.

  72. Yeah three major motion pictures about angry White males hanging offensive uppity blacks. This should turn out well.

  73. @anon
    @JohnnyWalker123

    palestinians killed by israel since 1967-22,000

    papuans killed by indonesia since 1963--550,000

    christian sudanese killed by sudan --1 million plus

    seems appropriate that we see papuan and darfuri movies first......

    Replies: @Lurker

    Its not simply a numbers game. Who makes the Emmett Till movies, who lives in Israel?

    • Replies: @anon
    @Lurker

    numbers are a measurable way to make an assessment . can you in good faith deny that if it was Israel killing in the hundreds of thousands , or millions instead of sudan and indonesia , that you would be more than content with having it as simply a numbers game ?

    , @biz
    @Lurker


    Who makes the Emmett Till movies, who lives in Israel?
     
    They are most certainly not the same individuals.

    The laziest thinking I have encountered on the internet (and that is saying a lot) is when people assume that just because two individual Jewish people, living on different sides of the world, hold seemingly opposed political viewpoints, that there must be a hypocritical conspiracy afoot.

    Replies: @schmenz

  74. @The most deplorable one
    Looks like they are getting ready to steal the election:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/homeland-eyes-special-declaration-to-take-charge-of-elections/article/2600592

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Yeah, I saw that too. My father who lives in DC has been saying for over a year that there will be disturbances/problems etc. forcing suspension of the election and an emergency Obama continuation.
    I thought he was nuts but I’m starting to wonder what he’s sniffing in the DC zeitgeist that I don’t have access to…

  75. @Lurker
    @syonredux

    In theory, somewhere there should be British police and/or US Army records of the incident. I wouldn't know where to start looking though.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    In theory, somewhere there should be British police and/or US Army records of the incident. I wouldn’t know where to start looking though.

    The National Archives in St. Louis has US Army court martial records from WWII. The problem is that you have to know the name(s) of the accused, not the victim, to pinpoint the relevant court martial transcript. Back to square one…

  76. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Lurker
    @anon

    Its not simply a numbers game. Who makes the Emmett Till movies, who lives in Israel?

    Replies: @anon, @biz

    numbers are a measurable way to make an assessment . can you in good faith deny that if it was Israel killing in the hundreds of thousands , or millions instead of sudan and indonesia , that you would be more than content with having it as simply a numbers game ?

  77. @CCZ
    @syonredux

    A university professor’s academic interpretation of “Plot E” graves: “classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers.” Full text below.


    A Hidden Memorial to the Worst Aspects of Our Jim Crow Army
    September 25, 2005|
    By Alice Kaplan, Professor of Literature and History at Duke University

    “I found Louis Till's grave in France, in a small plot of land outside the official grounds of the Oise-Aisne World War I American cemetery. In what is known as "Plot E" there are 96 markers, marble squares with numbers and no names. Eighty of these graves belong to African-American soldiers, all of them tried and convicted in U.S. Army courts-martial of crimes of rape and murder. That means that 83 percent of the men executed in Europe, North Africa and the Mediterranean Theaters of Operation were African-Americans, in an Army that was only 8.5 percent black. The procedures in their trials were faulty enough to have led to a total reform of military justice after WWII, to a uniform code and the establishment of a court of military appeals.

    Plot E, closed to the public, nonetheless exists. While privacy may have been protected at Plot E, history has been lost. As a nation, we live with the consequences of repressing our bad memories. An Army where black soldiers were classified by race, badly trained, poorly led and treated as less than human encouraged violence among those soldiers. We recently remembered the 50th anniversary of Emmett Till's murder and unjust trial. We also need to remember Louis Till's trial, not because he was innocent, but because we as a nation were guilty.”
     

    Replies: @syonredux, @11B4P

    All of the black World War Two soldiers in question were in service/support units, most of the rapes occurred in the U.K, they were far from the stress of combat white soldiers were under.

    I was in the U.S. Army for 20 years I was “badly trained, poorly led and treated as less then human” for most of that time. It didn’t turn me into a rapist, I guess that’s just my white privilege.

    • Replies: @Hhsiii
    @11B4P

    From what I've read the Red Army raped their way through a lot of Germany, where they weren't honored guests. Revenge.

  78. @The most deplorable one
    @syonredux

    No doubt whites got away with rape and murder more frequently!

    Where is Tiny D*ck when he is needed to bring out the Truth and Light.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    I remember reading about this a while ago…

    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?

    http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1021298.html

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    It looks like the 11,000 figure is more plausible than 190,000. Some truth and a dose of anti-Americanism...


    How, though, is one to interpret the complaint filed by a hotelier in Munich on May 31, 1945? She reports that US soldiers had commandeered a few rooms and that four women were "running around completely naked" and were "exchanged several times." Was it really voluntary?
     
    LOL. German women with Americans? Never!!

    Replies: @11B4P

    , @syonredux
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel


    I remember reading about this a while ago…

    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?
     
    Well, as the article itself points out, the 190,000 figure is quite dubious:

    The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the "war children" born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape. That makes for a total of 1,900 children of American fathers. Gebhardt further assumes that on average, there are 100 incidents of rape for each birth. The result she arrives at is thus 190,000 victims.

    Such a total, though, hardly seems plausible. Were the number really that high, it is almost certain that there would be more reports on rape in the files of hospitals or health authorities, or that there would be more eyewitness reports. Gebhardt is unable to present such evidence in sufficient quantity.

    Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945
     

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan
     
    Which was never fully implemented and was completely dropped by 1947.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    , @Marcus
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    In any case, plenty of frauleins have willingly offered themselves to negro GI's over the past seven decades, I've met a few offspring of these relationships, they look more stereotypically "black" than Kaepernick does.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

  79. @Steve Sailer
    @jefferson

    Why does Colin Kaepernick looks like Osama bin Laden's son?

    Replies: @Dave, @JohnnyWalker123

    As an American of Italian ancestry, I agree with Jefferson that Italian/African mixes tend to see the Euro features dominate. Not sure why. I notice that Colin looks literally Maghrebi/North African. Same with Giancarlo Esposito and Franco Harris.
    I’ve seen a few other such mixes, no one famous, and the results are the same.
    Apparently some genetic research suggests East Africans,like Somalis and Ethiopians, show ancient admixture with Eurasian populations who back migrated into East Africa in prehistoric times.
    It would explain their refined features and point to why Italian/African admixtures present similar features.

  80. @jefferson
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "You know, ’70′s Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother."

    I can see the Italian in his facial features. I notice that on average Italian/Negro mixes have more Caucasoid looking noses & lips than Northern European/Negro mixes.

    Gus Fring from Breaking Bad who is Italian and Black has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Barack Hussein Obama who is WASP and Black. Colin Kaepernick also has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Hussein. Colin's biological mother is Italian. Italian genes do a better job than Northern Euro genes of softening extreme Sub Saharan African facial features.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PistolPete, @Anonymous

    Funny you say that. Ive noticed that southern European mixed with black comes out whiter looking than black with Northern European. Maybe Southern Europeans have stronger genes(if that makes any sense).

    As someone who has lived in both the US and Brazil, I have seen enough mulattos to notice they look quite different in each country. (America with North European and black mixed and in Brazil southern European and black mixed)

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @PistolPete

    "As someone who has lived in both the US and Brazil, I have seen enough mulattos to notice they look quite different in each country. (America with North European and black mixed and in Brazil southern European and black mixed)"

    The lips on average are not as big and the nostrils on average are not as Ice Cube level wide with Negro/Southern Euro mixes. That is why you see a lot of Brown Brazilians with Caucasoid facial features like narrow nostrils and small lips.

    Replies: @Jack D

  81. @Jefferson
    @Anon

    "I’m not so certain about that. The studios are capable of spending so much money making indignant-black films that they’ll Emmett Till themselves right out of business. I can see these films getting an art-house size audience, and that’s about it. There won’t be much overseas profit coming in, either."

    I remember reading that films with either a predominantly or all Black cast do not do well overseas.

    For example China's love of Negroes is only limited to the NBA, it doesn't extend to Black social justice warrior films about slavery & Jim Crow.

    I guarantee Nate Parker's The Birth Of A Nation will not be a huge blockbuster hit in China.

    Replies: @Whiskey

    Nate Parker’s movie will never even play in China. China has seething resentment by its many minorities not the least of which are violent Muslim Uighurs, so no the racial revenge fantasy will not ever play there.

    China does limit US movies and TV shows, and shares only 25% not 50% of box office revenue with studios. The movies that China does take from Hollywood play in less desirable times; they have protectionism for their domestic movie and tv industry. Of course China carefully manages entertainment for messages and ideas.

    As for Obama canceling elections, its not just Trump. Anyone think the Most Famous Man in the World and Michelle would be happy being ex-President and ex-First Lady? And give up ALL THAT GRAFT to the Clinton Machine?

    President Hillary would freeze out the Obama Machine to an astonishing degree, and Obama has a whole political machine in the tens of thousands depending on him being in charge and ladeling out the graft. This includes Silicon Valley people and various hedge funds and of course many other sectors.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Whiskey

    "Nate Parker’s movie will never even play in China. China has seething resentment by its many minorities not the least of which are violent Muslim Uighurs, so no the racial revenge fantasy will not ever play there."

    I notice that Chinese Muslims on average have bigger rounder less chinky eyes than the Han. I wonder if there is any Caucasoid blood in their DNA?

    , @CCZ
    @Whiskey

    US News & World Report
    By Steven Nelson | Staff Writer Aug. 30, 2016
    “A Candidate's Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election.
    Chaos would ensue if a vacancy emerges near Election Day.”

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

  82. @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux


    ...

    And there’s another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2…..
     

    It was nothing compared to what Moroccan French Colonial Goumier troops did after Monte Cassino in Italy—incidentally, which was used as a plot device in Vittoria de Sica's Italian film 'Two Women'. And that in turn was nothing compared with what the Red Army did in WWII. Or the Imperial Japanese Army did in Asia. Perhaps that is why no one has zeroed in on it.

    Rape in the aftermath of battle goes back to the beginning of history. Many warrior cultures considered it to be something along the lines of the justified spoils of war. The largely Anglo-American ethic of rape being not condoned in time of war is an very recent exception.

    This is a pretty difficult topic for historians to document accurately, as wartime and post-war propaganda usually inflates the perception of the incidence of rape by soldiers.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Chrisnonymous, @donut

    You could try : ” What Soldiers Do ” by Mary Louise Roberts , Available on Amazon .

    It seems pretty obvious what happened to this woman . I’m guessing this isn’t from a Soviet news reel .

  83. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @The most deplorable one

    I remember reading about this a while ago...


    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?
     
    http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1021298.html

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @Marcus

    It looks like the 11,000 figure is more plausible than 190,000. Some truth and a dose of anti-Americanism…

    How, though, is one to interpret the complaint filed by a hotelier in Munich on May 31, 1945? She reports that US soldiers had commandeered a few rooms and that four women were “running around completely naked” and were “exchanged several times.” Was it really voluntary?

    LOL. German women with Americans? Never!!

    • Replies: @11B4P
    @Chrisnonymous


    She reports that US soldiers had commandeered a few rooms and that four women were “running around completely naked” and were “exchanged several times.”
     
    This sounds like the barracks I lived in when I was stationed in Darmstadt. Best time of life.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

  84. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @The most deplorable one

    I remember reading about this a while ago...


    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?
     
    http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1021298.html

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @Marcus

    I remember reading about this a while ago…

    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?

    Well, as the article itself points out, the 190,000 figure is quite dubious:

    The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the “war children” born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape. That makes for a total of 1,900 children of American fathers. Gebhardt further assumes that on average, there are 100 incidents of rape for each birth. The result she arrives at is thus 190,000 victims.

    Such a total, though, hardly seems plausible. Were the number really that high, it is almost certain that there would be more reports on rape in the files of hospitals or health authorities, or that there would be more eyewitness reports. Gebhardt is unable to present such evidence in sufficient quantity.

    Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan

    Which was never fully implemented and was completely dropped by 1947.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @syonredux

    Agreed.

  85. @JohnnyWalker123
    https://twitter.com/silverspeakers/status/228127201650941952

    Replies: @biz, @Big Bill

    Physically intimidating the goyim to make them leave is perhaps a bit rough for our tastes.

    Over here they use a softly-softly approach: phone call to employers, newspaper editorials, calls to “right-thinking” goyim to boycott the goy transgressors, etc. Much more effective and no unnecessary photo opportunities.

    Things are much more visceral in Israel. They don’t bullsh!t around with multiculturalism. That is strictly for Western goy consumption.

  86. @syonredux
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel


    I remember reading about this a while ago…

    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?
     
    Well, as the article itself points out, the 190,000 figure is quite dubious:

    The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the "war children" born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape. That makes for a total of 1,900 children of American fathers. Gebhardt further assumes that on average, there are 100 incidents of rape for each birth. The result she arrives at is thus 190,000 victims.

    Such a total, though, hardly seems plausible. Were the number really that high, it is almost certain that there would be more reports on rape in the files of hospitals or health authorities, or that there would be more eyewitness reports. Gebhardt is unable to present such evidence in sufficient quantity.

    Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945
     

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan
     
    Which was never fully implemented and was completely dropped by 1947.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Agreed.

  87. @Steve Sailer
    @jefferson

    Why does Colin Kaepernick looks like Osama bin Laden's son?

    Replies: @Dave, @JohnnyWalker123

    Lots of Middle Easterners are a mix of Mediterranean and African ancestries. Kaepernick (half Italian, half black) is similar to that. There are a lot of North Africans who look like him.

    • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not sure Kaepernick is half-Italian. Heard half-Middle Eastern of some kind.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Brutusale

  88. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Steve Sailer

    Lots of Middle Easterners are a mix of Mediterranean and African ancestries. Kaepernick (half Italian, half black) is similar to that. There are a lot of North Africans who look like him.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Not sure Kaepernick is half-Italian. Heard half-Middle Eastern of some kind.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    His mother popped up a few years ago when he was good -- that half season in 2012 -- and she is Italian American surnamed.

    BTW, there doesn't appear to have been any comment about Kaepernick's recent refusal to stand for the national anthem. It's been a constant on NFL fan sites and media for several days now. Apparently, sports fans are the last redoubt of aggressive patriotism in this country.

    Myself, as a veteran, I don't care what he does, but I think his gesture is ridiculous, and, given the fact that it coincides with a devastating fall off in his skills, makes me cynical about motive. If you want to make a statement in sports, it helps if you aren't a lousy player .....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    , @Brutusale
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    Kaepernick's birth mother, definitely white Heidi Russo:

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/24/article-2267400-1720103E000005DC-501_634x383.jpg

    Kaepernick steps into it tonight in San Diego, where it's Salute to the Military night:

    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2016/08/31/chargers-plan-to-greet-colin-kaepernick-with-a-salute-to-the-military-on-thursday-night/

  89. I wonder if Emmett Till’s father will be mentioned, even in the most cursory way, in any of these films?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Anonymous

    "I wonder if Emmett Till’s father will be mentioned, even in the most cursory way, in any of these films?"

    Maybe they could get Michael Jace or O.J. to play him.

  90. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not sure Kaepernick is half-Italian. Heard half-Middle Eastern of some kind.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Brutusale

    His mother popped up a few years ago when he was good — that half season in 2012 — and she is Italian American surnamed.

    BTW, there doesn’t appear to have been any comment about Kaepernick’s recent refusal to stand for the national anthem. It’s been a constant on NFL fan sites and media for several days now. Apparently, sports fans are the last redoubt of aggressive patriotism in this country.

    Myself, as a veteran, I don’t care what he does, but I think his gesture is ridiculous, and, given the fact that it coincides with a devastating fall off in his skills, makes me cynical about motive. If you want to make a statement in sports, it helps if you aren’t a lousy player …..

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @SPMoore8

    When Cassius Clay and Lew Alcindor changed their names to Muslim ones, they were on top of the world.

    Kaepernick went 2-6 as a starter last season.

    Replies: @Brutusale

  91. @jefferson
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    "You know, ’70′s Steelers RB star Franco Harris was born to a WW2 black soldier and Italian mother."

    I can see the Italian in his facial features. I notice that on average Italian/Negro mixes have more Caucasoid looking noses & lips than Northern European/Negro mixes.

    Gus Fring from Breaking Bad who is Italian and Black has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Barack Hussein Obama who is WASP and Black. Colin Kaepernick also has more Caucasoid looking facial features than Hussein. Colin's biological mother is Italian. Italian genes do a better job than Northern Euro genes of softening extreme Sub Saharan African facial features.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @PistolPete, @Anonymous

    Quelle connerie!

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Anonymous

    "Quelle connerie!"

    It's not bullshit.

  92. @SPMoore8
    @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

    His mother popped up a few years ago when he was good -- that half season in 2012 -- and she is Italian American surnamed.

    BTW, there doesn't appear to have been any comment about Kaepernick's recent refusal to stand for the national anthem. It's been a constant on NFL fan sites and media for several days now. Apparently, sports fans are the last redoubt of aggressive patriotism in this country.

    Myself, as a veteran, I don't care what he does, but I think his gesture is ridiculous, and, given the fact that it coincides with a devastating fall off in his skills, makes me cynical about motive. If you want to make a statement in sports, it helps if you aren't a lousy player .....

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    When Cassius Clay and Lew Alcindor changed their names to Muslim ones, they were on top of the world.

    Kaepernick went 2-6 as a starter last season.

    • Agree: SPMoore8
    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Steve Sailer

    How about Bobby Moore? He only caught 30 balls the year he changed his name.

  93. @Chrisnonymous
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    It looks like the 11,000 figure is more plausible than 190,000. Some truth and a dose of anti-Americanism...


    How, though, is one to interpret the complaint filed by a hotelier in Munich on May 31, 1945? She reports that US soldiers had commandeered a few rooms and that four women were "running around completely naked" and were "exchanged several times." Was it really voluntary?
     
    LOL. German women with Americans? Never!!

    Replies: @11B4P

    She reports that US soldiers had commandeered a few rooms and that four women were “running around completely naked” and were “exchanged several times.”

    This sounds like the barracks I lived in when I was stationed in Darmstadt. Best time of life.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @11B4P

    Shack rats, bro. God bless 'em.

  94. “3 Emmett Till Movies in the Works”

    Is Hollywood lining up some rapists to write and/or direct?

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, the only reason why we are seeing a whole slew of black-interest, black themed, made by blacks for blacks, movies currently in the pipeline at present is because of a rather panicked response by the big Hollywood bosses following that little histrionic fit of a brouhaha at this year’s Oscars about there being, apparently, ‘no recognition of black actors, writers, directors’ etc.

    Also the godawful Beyonce sweeping the board at the MTV awards is another manifestation.

    Remember the days in which ‘popular music’ was actually ‘good’?

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Anonymous

    "Remember the days in which ‘popular music’ was actually ‘good’?"

    I was born in 1985 so I'm a Millennial, but on average I believe Generation X and Baby Boomer music is superior to Millennial music.

  96. @Anonymous
    I wonder if Emmett Till's father will be mentioned, even in the most cursory way, in any of these films?

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    “I wonder if Emmett Till’s father will be mentioned, even in the most cursory way, in any of these films?”

    Maybe they could get Michael Jace or O.J. to play him.

  97. @syonredux

    More than six decades later, the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement and the string of controversial killings of black men by the police have given new impetus to efforts to film the story of Till, with at least three screen adaptations in the works.
     
    Huh. I'm still waiting for that Judah P Benjamin biopic.....


    Or how about a stirring tale of slave life in South Carolina:

    Cohen set up his own sons on nearby plantations that rivaled some of the greatest in the South. Right around Lafayette’s visit in 1824, Mordecai Cohen bought Soldier’s Retreat, a large estate of over 1,000 acres overlooking the Ashley River for his son David. By the 1830s, David or “Davy” Cohen had taken over the estate in his own name and held slaves who worked his fields, emptied his slops and raised his children.


    One of these slaves was a young man named Jim, who was not impressed by the Cohen wealth. Jim escaped from slavery and narrated the story of his life to northern abolitionists in one of the earliest abolitionist American slave narratives, 1838’s “Recollections of Slavery by a Runaway Slave,” a graphic account of torture and suffering. In his memoir, Jim gave particular attention to his experiences under the Cohen family, providing details that would help authenticate his own story and also indict the horror of the slave system.


    Jim worked as a hostler or a groom for David Cohen but also did field work. He described David Cohen as a man of relentless vigilance: “He was in the habit of walking about at all hours of the night to find out who stole wood, or turnips, or hogs, or any thing else.” When he suspected anyone of thieving, the punishments were dire. One old man, Peter, was found stealing a few sticks of wood from David Cohen. Jim testified that Peter was whipped for hours until he was unconscious and then doused with brine before being chained in the stocks kept on the plantation for just such occasions.

    After being on the receiving end of one especially cruel whipping by David Cohen’s overseer, Jim fled Soldier’s Retreat and hid with a community of black fugitives in the dense swamps. Recaptured after only few brief weeks of freedom, Jim was brutally punished with another whipping. When sympathetic interviewers later transcribed his story, they added a footnote testifying that the fugitive’s scars all over his body “appear as if pieces of flesh had been gouged out, and some are ridges or elevations of the flesh and skin. They could easily be felt through his clothing.”


    Uncowed, however, he soon fled again, this time seeking out his sister at a nearby plantation. She told him that David Cohen had reportedly offered a $50 reward for his capture. Before she or Jim could contrive a plan for his safety, he was once again spotted and captured. This time, though, he wasn’t returned to Cohen’s Ashley River estate. He was instead taken to the Sugar House, a notorious workhouse jail in Charleston especially famous for its treadmill run by slave labor that not infrequently maimed and killed the weary people chained to its rotating pedals, as well as for other punishments so unsavory that genteel enslavers preferred them to be done out of sight. Jim described the whippings and torture being carried on continuously at all hours of the days and nights, such was the demand for the Sugar House services: “You may hear the whip and paddle there, all hours in the day. There’s no stopping.” He added: “I have heard a great deal said about hell, and wicked places, but I don’t think there is any worse hell than that sugar house.”

    At the Sugar House, Mordecai Cohen was informed of Jim’s plight and after assessing the situation, sent for his son. David Cohen came in from his estate and stopped by the Sugar House. As Jim remembered it, “He told them to whip me twice a week till they had given me two hundred lashes. My back, when they went to whip me, would be full of scabs, and they whipped them off till I bled so that my clothes were all wet.” The guards were instructed to alternate bouts of whippings with days on the treadmill for several weeks.

    David Cohen visited Jim in the Sugar House and determined that he was an unrepentant runaway who, no surprise, was rapidly losing value under the continual torture. Finally, after several attempts to sell him, in June 1837 David Cohen received $700 dollars from a speculator for young Jim. When your life price is bartered, you don’t forget the obscenity of the transaction; Jim was later able to find some satisfaction from the fact that David Cohen had sold him at a dramatic loss from his original purchase price.


    Jim’s story then moved in dramatic quicks and starts. He was hired out to a railroad, escaped once again, and this time made it aboard a Boston–bound boat. He was harbored by abolitionists in Maine who recognized the publicity value a story such as his would have for their cause, and transcribed his story for the public. Although published anonymously, a runaway slave advertisement from the Charleston Courier of December 11, 1837 clearly identifies Jim as the fugitive who had been owned by Cohen and who never forgot his encounters with that family. It reads: “Fifty Dollar Reward. Runaway from the Subscriber, a few weeks ago, his fellow JIM, lately purchased from Mr. David D. Cohen, of Charleston.”

     

    http://forward.com/culture/205455/slaves-of-charleston/

    Replies: @Louis Renault, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Don't Look at Me

    Ran a plantation at Soldier’s Retreat.
    He was all slave driver from his head to his feet.
    He kept order on a very large estate.
    Whipped himself a slave when he was only eight

    Davy, Davy Cohen, the whip cracks whenever he’s near.

    Relentless vigilance was his sacred code.
    Up every morning before the rooster crowed.
    If he looked around and things weren’t fine,
    He’d whip the slaves for hours then douse em in the brine.

    Davy, Davy Cohen, don’t you steal none of his gear.

    Slave Jim didn’t like that Davy Cohen none,
    So late one night he figured he should run.
    Davy captured Jim and tortured him for fun,
    Then said “It’s alright ’cause I’m a chosen one.”

    Davy, Davy Cohen, holding his faith dear.

    Jim ended up at the Sugar House Jail.
    His every escape attempt was always bound to fail.
    Worked and whipped all day by the jail house boss,
    Till Davy made a deal and sold him at a loss.

    Davy, Davy Cohen, fillin’ the slaves with fear.

  98. @blahbahblah
    One of my favorite ironies of history

    1. Emmett Till's father Louis was forced to go into the Army after he strangled Emmett Till's mother after she found out he was cheating.
    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
    3. Ezra Pound of all people served prison with Louis Till and wrote about it in his Pisan Cantos:

    Till was hung yesterday
    for murder and rape with trimmings

    --------------------

    OT but related to Pound, Marshall McLuhan who is often cited by new-agish techno-utopianists was quite reactionary in his politics:

    "I am resolutely opposed to all innovation, all change, but I am determined to understand what's happening because I don't choose just to sit and let the juggernaut roll over me. Many people seem to think that if you talk about something recent, you're in favour of it. The exact opposite is true in my case. Anything I talk about is almost certainly to be something I'm resolutely against, and it seems to me the best way of opposing it is to understand it, and then you know where to turn off the button. (101-2)"

    Marshall McLuhan liked Wyndham Lewis and met and corresponded with Ezra Pound. In the 1930s he wrote an editorial entitled "Is Fascism the Answer?" where he attacked parliamentarianism

    https://digitalcollections.lib.umanitoba.ca/islandora/object/uofm%3A2502/manitoba_metadata

    Replies: @syonredux, @James O'Meara, @Don't Look at Me

    “1. Emmett Till’s father Louis was forced to go into the Army after he strangled Emmett Till’s mother after she found out he was cheating.
    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.”

    Interesting. I wonder how Louis Till will be portrayed in these movies. Will he be in them at all?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Don't Look at Me

    Film makers often include more politically incorrect stuff than you'd expect. But that stuff often just doesn't register on critics and audiences.

    Replies: @syonredux, @guest

  99. @Don't Look at Me
    @blahbahblah

    "1. Emmett Till’s father Louis was forced to go into the Army after he strangled Emmett Till’s mother after she found out he was cheating.
    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy."

    Interesting. I wonder how Louis Till will be portrayed in these movies. Will he be in them at all?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Film makers often include more politically incorrect stuff than you’d expect. But that stuff often just doesn’t register on critics and audiences.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    Film makers often include more politically incorrect stuff than you’d expect. But that stuff often just doesn’t register on critics and audiences.
     
    Yeah, even liberal directors are often less PC than the lumpengentsia would like
    , @guest
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, because they aren't academics. They have to make a living, and while audiences are only out to be entertained they do like to be able to recognize what's up on screen as somehow relating to reality.

    Then there's what I'll call the Antiwar Movie Paradox. It is possible to make an anti-war movie, but if you also want to make an entertaining and popular movie, you're likely going to accidentally make war look awesome. You've probably heard the story about the undeniably awesome helicopter raid in Apocalypse Now!, and that it was intended to make our side look like Nazis. Apparently the filmmakers were surprised when audiences cheered.

    I suspect that story is a lie, because you'd have to be an idiot not to get how awesome that sequence is. It is so perfectly tuned, so expertly built up and carried out, how could it not be on purpose? Also, they don't paint the Vietnamese they're killing as innocent.

    But here's the thing, I think we were supposed to enjoy it ironically. It's a have your cake and eat it too sort of thing. Didn't work like that, though. If they want us to enjoy it ironically, make it funny at least. Don't make it so damn awesome, and capable of being enjoyed in a straightforward manner.

    PC in entertaining movies is one, big paradox. Because it's so full of falsehood, and movies are not very intellectual. They're visceral, when they're at their best. So it's difficult to double-track, between the stuff they need for it to be dramatic and popular and entertaining, and the stuff they need to put in for their message. Dances With Wolves and its remake Avatar, for instance, did it well. Ones that do it less well will tend to have less non- or anti-PC stuff to counterbalance n

    Replies: @Ivy

  100. @PistolPete
    @jefferson

    Funny you say that. Ive noticed that southern European mixed with black comes out whiter looking than black with Northern European. Maybe Southern Europeans have stronger genes(if that makes any sense).

    As someone who has lived in both the US and Brazil, I have seen enough mulattos to notice they look quite different in each country. (America with North European and black mixed and in Brazil southern European and black mixed)

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “As someone who has lived in both the US and Brazil, I have seen enough mulattos to notice they look quite different in each country. (America with North European and black mixed and in Brazil southern European and black mixed)”

    The lips on average are not as big and the nostrils on average are not as Ice Cube level wide with Negro/Southern Euro mixes. That is why you see a lot of Brown Brazilians with Caucasoid facial features like narrow nostrils and small lips.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Jefferson

    I think it has to do with % of admixture. A lot of American blacks are only 20 or 30% white, while many Brazilian mulattoes are 50+% white. The higher the white %, the greater the chance that the features will appear less Negroid.

    What is really interesting is not the appearance but the head space. Brazilian mulattoes think of themselves as "Brazilian" (i.e. in the same category as lighter skinned Brazilians) and not black or African. This has helped a lot with their integration into society. They don't identify with pure blacks or wear "black" clothes, listen to "black" music, give their kids "black" names, etc. In a way, you can say that they are in denial (if you tell them they are black they will look at you like you are crazy) , but it is a useful kind of denial. American black culture today is a slightly watered down version of the SLA ideology and it has worked out just as well for most of them as it did for Commandante Sin-Q.

    Replies: @Jefferson

  101. @Anonymous
    Of course, the only reason why we are seeing a whole slew of black-interest, black themed, made by blacks for blacks, movies currently in the pipeline at present is because of a rather panicked response by the big Hollywood bosses following that little histrionic fit of a brouhaha at this year's Oscars about there being, apparently, 'no recognition of black actors, writers, directors' etc.

    Also the godawful Beyonce sweeping the board at the MTV awards is another manifestation.

    Remember the days in which 'popular music' was actually 'good'?

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Remember the days in which ‘popular music’ was actually ‘good’?”

    I was born in 1985 so I’m a Millennial, but on average I believe Generation X and Baby Boomer music is superior to Millennial music.

  102. @Anonymous
    @jefferson

    Quelle connerie!

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “Quelle connerie!”

    It’s not bullshit.

  103. @11B4P
    @CCZ

    All of the black World War Two soldiers in question were in service/support units, most of the rapes occurred in the U.K, they were far from the stress of combat white soldiers were under.

    I was in the U.S. Army for 20 years I was "badly trained, poorly led and treated as less then human" for most of that time. It didn't turn me into a rapist, I guess that's just my white privilege.

    Replies: @Hhsiii

    From what I’ve read the Red Army raped their way through a lot of Germany, where they weren’t honored guests. Revenge.

  104. @Whiskey
    @Jefferson

    Nate Parker's movie will never even play in China. China has seething resentment by its many minorities not the least of which are violent Muslim Uighurs, so no the racial revenge fantasy will not ever play there.

    China does limit US movies and TV shows, and shares only 25% not 50% of box office revenue with studios. The movies that China does take from Hollywood play in less desirable times; they have protectionism for their domestic movie and tv industry. Of course China carefully manages entertainment for messages and ideas.

    As for Obama canceling elections, its not just Trump. Anyone think the Most Famous Man in the World and Michelle would be happy being ex-President and ex-First Lady? And give up ALL THAT GRAFT to the Clinton Machine?

    President Hillary would freeze out the Obama Machine to an astonishing degree, and Obama has a whole political machine in the tens of thousands depending on him being in charge and ladeling out the graft. This includes Silicon Valley people and various hedge funds and of course many other sectors.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @CCZ

    “Nate Parker’s movie will never even play in China. China has seething resentment by its many minorities not the least of which are violent Muslim Uighurs, so no the racial revenge fantasy will not ever play there.”

    I notice that Chinese Muslims on average have bigger rounder less chinky eyes than the Han. I wonder if there is any Caucasoid blood in their DNA?

  105. @11B4P
    @Chrisnonymous


    She reports that US soldiers had commandeered a few rooms and that four women were “running around completely naked” and were “exchanged several times.”
     
    This sounds like the barracks I lived in when I was stationed in Darmstadt. Best time of life.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    Shack rats, bro. God bless ’em.

  106. @JohnnyWalker123
    @syonredux

    This has been an issue in Japan too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

    Back in 1995, there was a famous rape case out of Okinawa.


    The 1995 Okinawa rape incident took place on September 4, 1995, when three U.S. servicemen - U.S. Navy Seaman Marcus Gill and U.S. Marines Rodrico Harp and Kendrick Ledet, who were all serving at Camp Hansen on Okinawa - rented a van and kidnapped a 12-year-old Japanese girl. They beat her, duct-taped her eyes and mouth shut, and bound her hands. Gill and Harp then raped her, while Ledet claimed he only pretended to do so out of fear of Gill.[1] The incident led to further debate over the continued presence of U.S. forces in Japan.
     

    The offenders were tried and convicted in Japanese court by Japanese law, in accordance with the SOFA agreements. The families of the defendants initially claimed that Japanese officials had discriminated against the men because they were African American and coerced confessions from them, but later retracted the claims.[7]
     
    Black soldiers were overrepresented in rape statistics during the WWII era.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/07/us/when-black-soldiers-were-hanged-a-war-s-footnote.html

    The rate of execution for black soldiers was even higher for the rape of civilians, for which 25 blacks (87 percent) and 4 whites (13 percent) were put to death. In 28 murder convictions, 22 blacks and 6 whites were executed. Of the 12 executed for murder and rape, 8 were black and 4 were white. The other execution was that of Eddie Slovik, a white, for desertion. The United States Army Center of Military History in Washington says very little information is available on the subject. But one historian there, Russell J. Parkinson, was able to confirm the basic data that Mr. Lilly is using. "There's clearly a black preponderance," Mr. Parkinson said, after reviewing the execution records and finding Mr. Lilly's quest a worthy avenue for scholarship.
     
    Blacks were 7% of U.S. soldiers during WWII, but were 87% of those executed for rape. If I'm doing my math right (someone here should double check), black WWII soldiers were 89x more likely to be executed for rape than white soldiers. That's a stunning statistic.

    Replies: @The Albino Sasquatch, @11B4P, @EH

    Using your figure of 83% White, 7% Black in WWII, and counting all those who had rape as a conviction, with or without murder, I make the relative rate of Blacks vs. Whites being executed for rape as 48.9 times higher for Blacks than Whites:
    48.9 = (((25+8)/(29+12)/7))/(((4+4)/(29+12))/83)
    (25+8): Black rape executions
    (29+12): total rape executions
    (4+4): White rape executions
    (((25+8)/(29+12)/7)): relative rate of Black executions for rape
    (((4+4)/(29+12))/83): relative rate of White executions for rape

    If talking about rape alone, the Black rate was 74.1 times the White rate:
    74.1 = (((25)/(29)/7))/(((4)/(29))/83)

    For all offenses the Black execution rate was 43.5 times the White rate:
    43.5 = (((25+8+22)/(29+12+28+1)/7))/(((4+4+6+1)/(29+12+28+1))/83)

  107. @syonredux
    @PiltdownMan


    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…

    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn’t been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as “Negro soldiers” and identified as such.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to “GIs who were AWOL” suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed.
     
    Sure.If they were Black, a contemporary account would almost certainly have made reference to that fact. However, all the stuff that I have read on the matter was written much later. Hence, it's quite possible that their racial background is being censored.

    Replies: @Lurker, @BB753

    It’s all the more strange since Burgess wrote before PC times, and wasn’t shy in his memoirs of pointing out the various colonials, such as Sikhs and whatnot, who groped his wife abroad. Burgess later married an Italian woman who’d been married to an African of some sort ( from memory, I read the book nearly 20 years ago). He seemed fine with Subcontinentals and Malays, but wasn’t too fond of Blacks. But then, who is?

  108. @Whiskey
    @Jefferson

    Nate Parker's movie will never even play in China. China has seething resentment by its many minorities not the least of which are violent Muslim Uighurs, so no the racial revenge fantasy will not ever play there.

    China does limit US movies and TV shows, and shares only 25% not 50% of box office revenue with studios. The movies that China does take from Hollywood play in less desirable times; they have protectionism for their domestic movie and tv industry. Of course China carefully manages entertainment for messages and ideas.

    As for Obama canceling elections, its not just Trump. Anyone think the Most Famous Man in the World and Michelle would be happy being ex-President and ex-First Lady? And give up ALL THAT GRAFT to the Clinton Machine?

    President Hillary would freeze out the Obama Machine to an astonishing degree, and Obama has a whole political machine in the tens of thousands depending on him being in charge and ladeling out the graft. This includes Silicon Valley people and various hedge funds and of course many other sectors.

    Replies: @Jefferson, @CCZ

    US News & World Report
    By Steven Nelson | Staff Writer Aug. 30, 2016
    “A Candidate’s Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election.
    Chaos would ensue if a vacancy emerges near Election Day.”

    • Replies: @guest
    @CCZ

    That wouldn't be any real reason to delay an election. Probably they'd go ahead and have people vote for Hillary in the expectation that Kaine would assume office. I'd say elect the widow, which is totally a thing and has a long tradition, but Bill's election by proxy would be constitutionally dubious. Not that they care about the Constitution, but it wouldn't look good.

    I was assuming Hillary'd be the one to die, not Trump. If Trump were to be assassinated they might want to hold back the public's enthusiasm. They don't want a martyred ghost in office. Kennedy was far more powerful posthumously. But if it's natural causes they don't have much to worry about from Pence or Melania.

    This is less ridiculous than when Superstorm Sandy threatened to delay the election for East Coast pussies. Which on the playground we used to call a "do over." We had an election during the Civil War, for crying out pete. Why would a candidate dying stop us?

    , @ben tillman
    @CCZ


    US News & World Report
    By Steven Nelson | Staff Writer Aug. 30, 2016
    “A Candidate’s Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election.
    Chaos would ensue if a vacancy emerges near Election Day.”
     
    Thanks for bringing the article to our attention.

    However, the truth is that we are voting for electors, and the electors vote for the President, so the death of a candidate could not delay or eliminate the election.
  109. @syonredux
    @Steve Sailer


    “A Clockwork Orange” was inspired by the home invasion by American GIs in England during WWII of the house of Anthony Burgess’s future wife. Anybody known more about this incident?
     
    Everything that I've read simply refers to them as "four American deserters." No mention of their race. Which sounds a tad suspicious. Plus, at least in recent years, gang-rape seems rather more of a Black phenomenon...

    Replies: @David In TN

    “Plus, at least in recent years, gang-rape seems rather more of a Black Phenomenon.”

    It always has been, not just “recent years.”

  110. @Auntie Analogue
    We are, it seems, to hear nonstop about this Till the end of time.

    On the other hand, we will almost never hear about this - two versions follow:

    1) The Atlanta Journal Constitution: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/woman-beaten-burned-in-georgia-home-dies-at-83/nsM8b/

    2) VDARE: http://www.vdare.com/posts/her-name-is-dorothy-dow-white-great-grandmother-set-on-fire-by-five-blacks-in-violent-georgia-home-invasion-passes-away

    You may judge which one of the two versions is the more forthcoming or, shall we say, the more honest and detailed reportage.

    Replies: @Joe Schmoe, @Tex

  111. @syonredux
    @11B4P


    President John F. Kennedy, asking that Bennett’s life be spared. Kennedy took no action on the appeals, letting his predecessor’s death warrant stand. Bennett was hanged at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas in 1961.”
     
    At least JFK did one good thing while in office.

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @David In TN

    “At least JFK did one good thing while in office.”

    I recall Ben Bradlee mentioning this incident in his memoir about his friendship with JFK. Bradlee expressed his disapproval of the president “allowing this man to be executed.”

    JFK told Bradlee “he believed in the death penalty,” or words to that effect.

  112. @Jefferson
    @PistolPete

    "As someone who has lived in both the US and Brazil, I have seen enough mulattos to notice they look quite different in each country. (America with North European and black mixed and in Brazil southern European and black mixed)"

    The lips on average are not as big and the nostrils on average are not as Ice Cube level wide with Negro/Southern Euro mixes. That is why you see a lot of Brown Brazilians with Caucasoid facial features like narrow nostrils and small lips.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I think it has to do with % of admixture. A lot of American blacks are only 20 or 30% white, while many Brazilian mulattoes are 50+% white. The higher the white %, the greater the chance that the features will appear less Negroid.

    What is really interesting is not the appearance but the head space. Brazilian mulattoes think of themselves as “Brazilian” (i.e. in the same category as lighter skinned Brazilians) and not black or African. This has helped a lot with their integration into society. They don’t identify with pure blacks or wear “black” clothes, listen to “black” music, give their kids “black” names, etc. In a way, you can say that they are in denial (if you tell them they are black they will look at you like you are crazy) , but it is a useful kind of denial. American black culture today is a slightly watered down version of the SLA ideology and it has worked out just as well for most of them as it did for Commandante Sin-Q.

    • Replies: @Jefferson
    @Jack D

    "In a way, you can say that they are in denial (if you tell them they are black they will look at you like you are crazy)"

    I wouldn't say they are in denial if the majority of their DNA is not Sub Saharan African.

    I've read about many Brown Pardo Brazilians who live in France that were mistaken for North Africans.

    Why should a Brazilian who looks closer to Egyptians and Moroccans in phenotype than they do to Angolans and Nigerians self identify as Black?

  113. @Chrisnonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    As 11B4P documents above, Plot E is not full of soldiers who raped the enemy in the aftermath of battle. Apples and oranges.

    Replies: @David In TN

    “Plot E is not full of soldiers who raped the enemy in the aftermath of battle. Apples and oranges.”

    Exactly. Most were far away from the front line.

    • Agree: BB753
  114. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @The most deplorable one

    I remember reading about this a while ago...


    In the popular imagination, American GIs in postwar Germany were well-liked and well-behaved. But a new book claims that US soldiers raped up to 190,000 women at the end of World War II. Is there any truth to the controversial claim?
     
    http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-1021298.html

    And then there was The Morgenthau Plan

    Replies: @Chrisnonymous, @syonredux, @Marcus

    In any case, plenty of frauleins have willingly offered themselves to negro GI’s over the past seven decades, I’ve met a few offspring of these relationships, they look more stereotypically “black” than Kaepernick does.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Marcus

    Isn't that basically the US men's soccer team? Half-black kids of GIs who grew up playing soccer in Germany.
    I think Steve wrote about that too ...

    Replies: @Brutusale

  115. @Lurker
    @anon

    Its not simply a numbers game. Who makes the Emmett Till movies, who lives in Israel?

    Replies: @anon, @biz

    Who makes the Emmett Till movies, who lives in Israel?

    They are most certainly not the same individuals.

    The laziest thinking I have encountered on the internet (and that is saying a lot) is when people assume that just because two individual Jewish people, living on different sides of the world, hold seemingly opposed political viewpoints, that there must be a hypocritical conspiracy afoot.

    • Replies: @schmenz
    @biz

    I'm afraid it has little to do with "conspiracies". Tribalism and hatred of any kind of Christian order much more likely.

  116. @ben tillman
    @MLK


    This post reminded me of this news from 12 years ago:

    NYTimes: U.S. to Reopen Investigation of Emmett Till’s Murder in 1955

    We really should know after all these years whether or not he whistled at that white woman.
     

    A lot of us would like to know exactly what he did, although I doubt any official investigation would make much effort to find the truth. There's no doubt he assaulted her, and there's little doubt that he did something that would qualify as sexual assault (which is not the same thing as rape). But how bad was it? Did he in fact rape her? Roy Bryant said no, in his interview with Look, but he might have just been protecting his wife from prurient interest.

    Replies: @Polymath

    I doubt he raped her – too many witnesses, too little time.

    Carolyn Bryant’s account, from Wikipedia:
    “Bryant testified during the murder trial that Till grabbed her hand while she was stocking candy and said, “How about a date, baby?”[27] She said that after she freed herself from his grasp, the young man followed her to the cash register,[27] grabbed her waist and said, “What’s the matter baby, can’t you take it?”[27] Bryant said she freed herself, and Till said, “You needn’t be afraid of me, baby,”[27] used “one ‘unprintable’ word”[27] and said “I’ve been with white women before.”[27] Bryant also alleged that one of Till’s companions came into the store, grabbed him by the arm, and ordered him to leave.[27]

    “Till’s cousin, Simeon Wright, writing about the incident decades later, challenged Carolyn Bryant’s account.[28] Entering the store “less than a minute” after Till was left inside alone with Bryant,[28] Wright saw no inappropriate behavior and heard “no lecherous conversation.”[28] Wright said Till “paid for his items and we left the store together.”[28]

    “The FBI noted in their 2006 investigation of the cold case that a second anonymous source, who was confirmed to have been in the store at the same time as Till and his cousin, supported Wright’s account.[21]

    “In any event, Bryant was allegedly so alarmed she ran outside to a car to retrieve a pistol from under the seat. Upon seeing her do this, the teenagers left immediately.[26] It was acknowledged that while Bryant was running to her car, Till whistled.[21] However, it is disputed whether Till whistled toward Carolyn or toward a checkers game that was occurring just across the street.[2]”

    _____

    Till was a little taller and a lot heavier than Carolyn Bryant, who was only 21 herself.

    There is a whole lot of obnoxiousness a boy or man can do in less than a minute. The check-list of my youth:
    men murmuring obscenities and propositions for my ears alone,
    being trophy-hunted by young black men
    being restrained by the wrist and groped by a young black man

    In the late fifties and early sixties my young parents had at least three felonies committed against them in Chicago by black boys Till’s age, including one brutal beating and mugging.

    So, for me, Carolyn Bryant’s account resonates, as the progressives say.

  117. Dirk Dagger [AKA "That\'s Not Who We Are"] says: • Website
    @syonredux
    @blahbahblah


    2. Louis Till father was hung after being found guilty of murdering one woman and raping two others while serving in Italy.
     
    Hanged, not hung.

    And there's another story that no one wants to touch: Black American soldiers and rape during WW2.....

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Jefferson, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123, @11B4P, @PiltdownMan, @Dirk Dagger

    Uh, Louis Till was a victim of “the man” …

    In Writing to Save a Life, John Edgar Wideman searches for Louis Till, a silent victim of American injustice. Wideman’s personal interaction with the story began when he learned of Emmett’s murder in 1955; Wideman was also fourteen years old. After reading decades later about Louis’s execution, he couldn’t escape the twin tragedies of father and son, and tells their stories together for the first time. Author of the award-winning Brothers and Keepers, Wideman brings extraordinary insight and a haunting intimacy to this devastating story.

    … I think film rights are still available.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    @Dirk Dagger

    Wideman has some interesting family issues of his own:


    In 1965 he married Judith Ann Goldman, an attorney, with whom he has three children: Daniel, Jacob, and Jamila. That marriage ended in divorce in 2000. In 2004 he married French journalist Catherine Nedonchelle, with whom he resides on the Lower East Side of Manhattan in New York City.
    Jacob Wideman,[8] John's middle child, is currently serving a life sentence for the August 1986 murder of 16-year-old Eric Kane, and was most recently denied parole on February 18, 2016
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edgar_Wideman#Family

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

  118. @Steve Sailer
    @Don't Look at Me

    Film makers often include more politically incorrect stuff than you'd expect. But that stuff often just doesn't register on critics and audiences.

    Replies: @syonredux, @guest

    Film makers often include more politically incorrect stuff than you’d expect. But that stuff often just doesn’t register on critics and audiences.

    Yeah, even liberal directors are often less PC than the lumpengentsia would like

  119. @Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
    @syonredux

    Detailed accounts about the Yank presence and occupation would be very interesting to read. With many of their own men dead, lost or POW in Siberia, local populations probably welcomed many American soldiers. Perhaps the white ones got it voluntarily and the blacks had to resort to extraordinary persuasion beyond any concept of enthusiastic consent. Perhaps some of the willing participants withdrew what might have actually been 'enthusiastic consent' retroactively out of shame or guilt.

    Whatever racism might have been endemic to Germany, their experience with blacks was limited enough that they probably were naive, unprejudiced and open to possiblities that would have been unthinkable in the US. Black GIs who spent time in relationships with Germans have explained that they and their mixed marriages get fewer funny looks or hostility than when they have returned back to the States.

    Whatever crimes happened under American occupation, it's probably important not to forget the barbarity perpetrated under Soviet occupation. "A Woman in Berlin - Anonyma" is worthwhile deep film account of that experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Woman_in_Berlin_(film)

    Replies: @Bill Jones

    Oh, don’t worry you’ll never be allowed to forget Soviet Barbarity.
    Just as you’ll never be reminded of the more than a million Germans killed in the barbaric Eisenhower’s concentration camps in Germany after the war.

  120. @Dirk Dagger
    @syonredux

    Uh, Louis Till was a victim of "the man" …


    In Writing to Save a Life, John Edgar Wideman searches for Louis Till, a silent victim of American injustice. Wideman's personal interaction with the story began when he learned of Emmett’s murder in 1955; Wideman was also fourteen years old. After reading decades later about Louis’s execution, he couldn’t escape the twin tragedies of father and son, and tells their stories together for the first time. Author of the award-winning Brothers and Keepers, Wideman brings extraordinary insight and a haunting intimacy to this devastating story.

     

    … I think film rights are still available.

    Replies: @syonredux

    Wideman has some interesting family issues of his own:

    In 1965 he married Judith Ann Goldman, an attorney, with whom he has three children: Daniel, Jacob, and Jamila. That marriage ended in divorce in 2000. In 2004 he married French journalist Catherine Nedonchelle, with whom he resides on the Lower East Side of Manhattan in New York City.
    Jacob Wideman,[8] John’s middle child, is currently serving a life sentence for the August 1986 murder of 16-year-old Eric Kane, and was most recently denied parole on February 18, 2016

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edgar_Wideman#Family

    • Replies: @Dirk Dagger
    @syonredux

    It get's even more ... er ... interesting:


    Last week, ABC15 exposed that [Jacob] Wideman had married two psychologists, who both treated him in the prison system.

    His current wife is Dr. Marta DeSoto, who ABC15 discovered had a lucrative contract with the Arizona Department of Child Safety. She’s been paid more than $400,000 in the past two years to evaluate parents.

    DeSoto and Wideman’s relationship began in 2007. They were married in 2013.

    DeSoto has testified several times to get Wideman released and move him into her home with her two children against the wishes of the biological father, court records show.

    After ABC15 notified state officials about DeSoto’s marriage to Wideman, Arizona immediately terminated her contract. A spokesman for Governor Doug Ducey thanked the station, saying the case “defied common sense.”

    The marriage was also a key topic during the parole board hearing. Several members questioned the inappropriate nature of the relationship.

    “It’s a huge red flag for me,” Kirschbaum said.
     
    Hmmm, iSteve's own Whiskey may have some insight here.
  121. @Jack D
    @Jefferson

    I think it has to do with % of admixture. A lot of American blacks are only 20 or 30% white, while many Brazilian mulattoes are 50+% white. The higher the white %, the greater the chance that the features will appear less Negroid.

    What is really interesting is not the appearance but the head space. Brazilian mulattoes think of themselves as "Brazilian" (i.e. in the same category as lighter skinned Brazilians) and not black or African. This has helped a lot with their integration into society. They don't identify with pure blacks or wear "black" clothes, listen to "black" music, give their kids "black" names, etc. In a way, you can say that they are in denial (if you tell them they are black they will look at you like you are crazy) , but it is a useful kind of denial. American black culture today is a slightly watered down version of the SLA ideology and it has worked out just as well for most of them as it did for Commandante Sin-Q.

    Replies: @Jefferson

    “In a way, you can say that they are in denial (if you tell them they are black they will look at you like you are crazy)”

    I wouldn’t say they are in denial if the majority of their DNA is not Sub Saharan African.

    I’ve read about many Brown Pardo Brazilians who live in France that were mistaken for North Africans.

    Why should a Brazilian who looks closer to Egyptians and Moroccans in phenotype than they do to Angolans and Nigerians self identify as Black?

  122. @biz
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Wow, taunting? That's really terrible! The only possible response to taunting is an endless spate of stabbings, shooting, suicide bombings, car rammings, etc, doncha know.

    Replies: @schmenz

    Yawn.

  123. @Ulysses
    Hahaha Emmett Till, the Trilogy nonono, the Tillogy
    1: Emmett Begins
    2. Too Emmett Too Furious at Racist White Oppression
    3. Emmett Till: Till the end

    Replies: @Veracitor, @Olorin

    Don’t forget the prequel.

    Called simply and evoactively Louis, it will chronicle the hero’s father, who abused his mother with serial horndogging, beating, choking, and fights ended with pots of boiling water. Then abandonment, violation of wife’s restraining order, and a judge’s sentencing him to the choice between jail and a stint in the Army.

    I’m looking forward to the scene where Till pere is telling his memories of Klan Rallies and Nazis goosestepping through the po fokes’ plantation shacks to Ezra Pound in an US Army prison in Italy while, he, Till pere, US Army GI, awaits hanging for the murder of an Italian woman and rape of two others.

    (He never talked to Pound that I’m aware of, but while we’re making up literary stuff, this would fit nicely.)

    Then maybe we could see a movie about the Italian women. Civitavecchia.

  124. @biz
    @Lurker


    Who makes the Emmett Till movies, who lives in Israel?
     
    They are most certainly not the same individuals.

    The laziest thinking I have encountered on the internet (and that is saying a lot) is when people assume that just because two individual Jewish people, living on different sides of the world, hold seemingly opposed political viewpoints, that there must be a hypocritical conspiracy afoot.

    Replies: @schmenz

    I’m afraid it has little to do with “conspiracies”. Tribalism and hatred of any kind of Christian order much more likely.

  125. @CCZ
    @Whiskey

    US News & World Report
    By Steven Nelson | Staff Writer Aug. 30, 2016
    “A Candidate's Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election.
    Chaos would ensue if a vacancy emerges near Election Day.”

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    That wouldn’t be any real reason to delay an election. Probably they’d go ahead and have people vote for Hillary in the expectation that Kaine would assume office. I’d say elect the widow, which is totally a thing and has a long tradition, but Bill’s election by proxy would be constitutionally dubious. Not that they care about the Constitution, but it wouldn’t look good.

    I was assuming Hillary’d be the one to die, not Trump. If Trump were to be assassinated they might want to hold back the public’s enthusiasm. They don’t want a martyred ghost in office. Kennedy was far more powerful posthumously. But if it’s natural causes they don’t have much to worry about from Pence or Melania.

    This is less ridiculous than when Superstorm Sandy threatened to delay the election for East Coast pussies. Which on the playground we used to call a “do over.” We had an election during the Civil War, for crying out pete. Why would a candidate dying stop us?

  126. @Steve Sailer
    @Don't Look at Me

    Film makers often include more politically incorrect stuff than you'd expect. But that stuff often just doesn't register on critics and audiences.

    Replies: @syonredux, @guest

    Yes, because they aren’t academics. They have to make a living, and while audiences are only out to be entertained they do like to be able to recognize what’s up on screen as somehow relating to reality.

    Then there’s what I’ll call the Antiwar Movie Paradox. It is possible to make an anti-war movie, but if you also want to make an entertaining and popular movie, you’re likely going to accidentally make war look awesome. You’ve probably heard the story about the undeniably awesome helicopter raid in Apocalypse Now!, and that it was intended to make our side look like Nazis. Apparently the filmmakers were surprised when audiences cheered.

    I suspect that story is a lie, because you’d have to be an idiot not to get how awesome that sequence is. It is so perfectly tuned, so expertly built up and carried out, how could it not be on purpose? Also, they don’t paint the Vietnamese they’re killing as innocent.

    But here’s the thing, I think we were supposed to enjoy it ironically. It’s a have your cake and eat it too sort of thing. Didn’t work like that, though. If they want us to enjoy it ironically, make it funny at least. Don’t make it so damn awesome, and capable of being enjoyed in a straightforward manner.

    PC in entertaining movies is one, big paradox. Because it’s so full of falsehood, and movies are not very intellectual. They’re visceral, when they’re at their best. So it’s difficult to double-track, between the stuff they need for it to be dramatic and popular and entertaining, and the stuff they need to put in for their message. Dances With Wolves and its remake Avatar, for instance, did it well. Ones that do it less well will tend to have less non- or anti-PC stuff to counterbalance n

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @guest


    You’ve probably heard the story about the undeniably awesome helicopter raid in Apocalypse Now!
     
    That scene included Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries, which had a few effects. It introduced a new generation to Wagner, and pissed off a lot of people who had blacklisted Wagner. Of course, tastes vary, as noted by Mark Twain: "Wagner's music is better than it sounds."

    Replies: @guest, @Jim Don Bob

  127. Dirk Dagger [AKA "That\'s Not Who We Are"] says: • Website
    @syonredux
    @Dirk Dagger

    Wideman has some interesting family issues of his own:


    In 1965 he married Judith Ann Goldman, an attorney, with whom he has three children: Daniel, Jacob, and Jamila. That marriage ended in divorce in 2000. In 2004 he married French journalist Catherine Nedonchelle, with whom he resides on the Lower East Side of Manhattan in New York City.
    Jacob Wideman,[8] John's middle child, is currently serving a life sentence for the August 1986 murder of 16-year-old Eric Kane, and was most recently denied parole on February 18, 2016
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edgar_Wideman#Family

    Replies: @Dirk Dagger

    It get’s even more … er … interesting:

    Last week, ABC15 exposed that [Jacob] Wideman had married two psychologists, who both treated him in the prison system.

    His current wife is Dr. Marta DeSoto, who ABC15 discovered had a lucrative contract with the Arizona Department of Child Safety. She’s been paid more than $400,000 in the past two years to evaluate parents.

    DeSoto and Wideman’s relationship began in 2007. They were married in 2013.

    DeSoto has testified several times to get Wideman released and move him into her home with her two children against the wishes of the biological father, court records show.

    After ABC15 notified state officials about DeSoto’s marriage to Wideman, Arizona immediately terminated her contract. A spokesman for Governor Doug Ducey thanked the station, saying the case “defied common sense.”

    The marriage was also a key topic during the parole board hearing. Several members questioned the inappropriate nature of the relationship.

    “It’s a huge red flag for me,” Kirschbaum said.

    Hmmm, iSteve’s own Whiskey may have some insight here.

  128. Without lynching, the Klan, oppressive white people who won’t share their beach houses and Tiffany rings, the System, Church’s Fried Chicken’s chemical cold shower, the Plan, and neo-plantation mindsets, there’s no excuse why blacks aren’t equal to whites and Asians in income and social standing. Well… There’s a glaring possibility it might have to do with modest IQs and notable lack of appreciation for education (or ‘acting white’), but that’s Hitler talk. So it’s gotta be Jim Crow even though that ended some time ago; certainly it ended in the decades following the ’60s and all those trillions spent on pipe-dreams, ineffectual baby steps, and “entitlements”. But that’s Bull Connor talk. No… African Americans and our coddling media help keep the ol’ Brer Rabbit tale alive that we’re still living wit de strange fruit a-hangin’ fum de boojum tree, redlining, and nightriders prowling our streets. All black problems MUST be caused by someone else. That’s been holy script for five or six decades. What? Will you dare suggest black people themselves are to blame? At least for part of it? Again, that’s Mel Gibson talk. Shame, o ye honkiful.

  129. @guest
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, because they aren't academics. They have to make a living, and while audiences are only out to be entertained they do like to be able to recognize what's up on screen as somehow relating to reality.

    Then there's what I'll call the Antiwar Movie Paradox. It is possible to make an anti-war movie, but if you also want to make an entertaining and popular movie, you're likely going to accidentally make war look awesome. You've probably heard the story about the undeniably awesome helicopter raid in Apocalypse Now!, and that it was intended to make our side look like Nazis. Apparently the filmmakers were surprised when audiences cheered.

    I suspect that story is a lie, because you'd have to be an idiot not to get how awesome that sequence is. It is so perfectly tuned, so expertly built up and carried out, how could it not be on purpose? Also, they don't paint the Vietnamese they're killing as innocent.

    But here's the thing, I think we were supposed to enjoy it ironically. It's a have your cake and eat it too sort of thing. Didn't work like that, though. If they want us to enjoy it ironically, make it funny at least. Don't make it so damn awesome, and capable of being enjoyed in a straightforward manner.

    PC in entertaining movies is one, big paradox. Because it's so full of falsehood, and movies are not very intellectual. They're visceral, when they're at their best. So it's difficult to double-track, between the stuff they need for it to be dramatic and popular and entertaining, and the stuff they need to put in for their message. Dances With Wolves and its remake Avatar, for instance, did it well. Ones that do it less well will tend to have less non- or anti-PC stuff to counterbalance n

    Replies: @Ivy

    You’ve probably heard the story about the undeniably awesome helicopter raid in Apocalypse Now!

    That scene included Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyries, which had a few effects. It introduced a new generation to Wagner, and pissed off a lot of people who had blacklisted Wagner. Of course, tastes vary, as noted by Mark Twain: “Wagner’s music is better than it sounds.”

    • Replies: @guest
    @Ivy

    That was the main reason we were supposed to think of them as Nazis, I suppose. Because Hitler liked him, though more the Mastersingers than the Ring, and he railed against the Joos. Other sources of Nazidom get a leftist pass, like Nietzsche. Other great artists are allowed to hate Joos, like Dostoyevsky. But Wagner is the scapegoat, even though he was a leftist revolutionary himself.

    I was born after Apocalypse Now, so I can't speak to Wagner's popularity before and after. But that piece is powerful and crowdpleasing, and to an extent makes the scene. I want to say it was an "oops." But, again, they had to know how it would move the audience. It must have been intended to be ironically enjoyed, as, I've been saying. Which us fatal to political correctness.

    Mark Twain's bon mot makes no literal sense, but seems true. Wagner's great strength is in set pieces and grand moments, awash in a sea of boring, tuneless, swampy hours of musical soup. There are those brief, shining moments of brilliance: the Ride of the Valkyries, the Rhine Journey, Siegfried's funeral march, the rainbow bridge, the magic fire music, the forest murmurs, the love-death, the Good Friday music, the overtures and interludes and so forth. So beautiful that they almost make the rest worth it.

    Replies: @Ivy

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Ivy

    I still hear the words "Kill da Wabbit, kill da Wabbit" whenever I hear part of Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries because I first heard it in the Bugs Bunny cartoon What's Opera, Doc?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M

    Replies: @Ivy

  130. @PiltdownMan
    @syonredux


    Everything that I’ve read simply refers to them as “four American deserters.” No mention of race, which sounds a bit suspicious to me…
     
    Only if the accounts are contemporary.

    Back in the 1940s, pc hadn't been invented, the US Army was basically segregated, and African-American troops were normally referred to as "Negro soldiers" and would have been identified as such if they had been in such an incident.

    There seems to be no source materials in the webs for that long ago incident, but the reference to "GIs who were AWOL" suggests that the perpetrators were caught and court-martialed. It is quite possible also that the incident was hushed up and not publicized because of wartime censorship and the need then to preserve British civilian goodwill for US troops.

    Replies: @syonredux, @Expletive Deleted

    The Yanks used Cornhill to do their bad lads in. One or other of the Pierrepoints did a few, two got shot.

    “Under the provisions of the United States of America (Visiting Forces) Act 1942, a total of eighteen American servicemen were executed within the prison walls. Sixteen were hanged in the execution block and two were shot by firing squad in the prison yard “- wiki for HMP Shepton Mallett

    Although the American army was 90% white, 10 of the 18 men hanged there were black and three were Hispanic.

    [list follows if you’re curious]

    Mostly rape, although it wasn’t a capital offence in UK at the the time, so we just sort of lease-lent the hangman, as most of these included some sort of attempt or actual success with murder.
    No idea what Burgess was on about, never heard of it. Was there a trial or something? In the blackout? Was this in London, or Manchester/Liverpool? What sort of “servicemen” strayed that far abroad?
    To my nasty suspicious mind, and being familiar with the milieu, tales and “codes” of “what went on in the War” from the preceding generation, I’d call it a half-serious attempt to explain away a botched backstreet abortion to inconveniently absent ueber-catholic hubby, subsequently spread to arch-popish relations etc. to save everyone’s non-divorcing face.
    Then she hit the bottle, hard, like a huge proportion of respectable middle-clarrss couples of that vintage. (I tried to tot up what the wife’s parents habitually necked, once, and realised that if I did it, I’d just die. All spirits, too. Beer strictly for the proles, “Empire Wine”simply frightful, still exists as “fortified sherry”, Buckfast etc. ; France did not exist, having been eaten whole by Quasimodo or something during the Revolution).

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Expletive Deleted

    A truly convincing theory, as Wilson's (Burgess) first wife consequently never could bear any children. But why would he hide her betrayal, seeing as she was dead when he published his memoirs, and married to his second wife?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

  131. All of you have probably realized by now that Hollywood is a diseased alternate Universe completely cut off from reality. The Left is a giant echo chamber. They have no idea that they are in fact a lunatic fringe living at the edges of our society. Like Washington’s looney insiders, they see “flyover country” as an alien culture to “Their America”.
    In fact, the hated suburbs that are demonised by these dazzling urbanites, who see other cultures merely as exotic cuisines full of potential friends, is the Real America. The Left whether in the media, academia or government are in fact the provincials, who have no idea of how Real Americans live or especially work. Work is probably the only four letter word they actually find offensive.
    Say what you will, but Trump is dangerous because he has appealed to the Americans who gave up on voting because neither candidate appealed to them before. The myth of the 50-50 split of America is based on the non-appeal of the fake conservative GOP candidates keeping most voters away from the polls on election day. With Trump drawing in these formerly non-voting Americans, that whole 50-50 split myth could blow up like the Hindenberg. The Left is actually only about 18-19% of the total population in reality.

  132. @Marcus
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    In any case, plenty of frauleins have willingly offered themselves to negro GI's over the past seven decades, I've met a few offspring of these relationships, they look more stereotypically "black" than Kaepernick does.

    Replies: @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    Isn’t that basically the US men’s soccer team? Half-black kids of GIs who grew up playing soccer in Germany.
    I think Steve wrote about that too …

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @Je Suis Charlie Martel

    I seemed to remember a big brown cow running around with the German damsels back in the day when women's World Cup soccer was a novelty. Memory serves:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steffi_Jones

  133. @Expletive Deleted
    @PiltdownMan

    The Yanks used Cornhill to do their bad lads in. One or other of the Pierrepoints did a few, two got shot.


    "Under the provisions of the United States of America (Visiting Forces) Act 1942, a total of eighteen American servicemen were executed within the prison walls. Sixteen were hanged in the execution block and two were shot by firing squad in the prison yard "- wiki for HMP Shepton Mallett
     

    Although the American army was 90% white, 10 of the 18 men hanged there were black and three were Hispanic.
     
    [list follows if you're curious]

    Mostly rape, although it wasn't a capital offence in UK at the the time, so we just sort of lease-lent the hangman, as most of these included some sort of attempt or actual success with murder.
    No idea what Burgess was on about, never heard of it. Was there a trial or something? In the blackout? Was this in London, or Manchester/Liverpool? What sort of "servicemen" strayed that far abroad?
    To my nasty suspicious mind, and being familiar with the milieu, tales and "codes" of "what went on in the War" from the preceding generation, I'd call it a half-serious attempt to explain away a botched backstreet abortion to inconveniently absent ueber-catholic hubby, subsequently spread to arch-popish relations etc. to save everyone's non-divorcing face.
    Then she hit the bottle, hard, like a huge proportion of respectable middle-clarrss couples of that vintage. (I tried to tot up what the wife's parents habitually necked, once, and realised that if I did it, I'd just die. All spirits, too. Beer strictly for the proles, "Empire Wine"simply frightful, still exists as "fortified sherry", Buckfast etc. ; France did not exist, having been eaten whole by Quasimodo or something during the Revolution).

    Replies: @BB753

    A truly convincing theory, as Wilson’s (Burgess) first wife consequently never could bear any children. But why would he hide her betrayal, seeing as she was dead when he published his memoirs, and married to his second wife?

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @BB753

    In reading the various accounts of Burgess' wife encounter with US GIs during the London blackout, a few do not describe it as rape, but rather as a robbery and beating. I wonder if, with the passage of time, people are conflating Burgess' fictional account in A Clockwork Orange with what actually happened to his wife?

    Expletive Deleted's theory is plausible though, and fits that time and its mores.

  134. @CCZ
    @Whiskey

    US News & World Report
    By Steven Nelson | Staff Writer Aug. 30, 2016
    “A Candidate's Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election.
    Chaos would ensue if a vacancy emerges near Election Day.”

    Replies: @guest, @ben tillman

    US News & World Report
    By Steven Nelson | Staff Writer Aug. 30, 2016
    “A Candidate’s Death Could Delay or Eliminate the Presidential Election.
    Chaos would ensue if a vacancy emerges near Election Day.”

    Thanks for bringing the article to our attention.

    However, the truth is that we are voting for electors, and the electors vote for the President, so the death of a candidate could not delay or eliminate the election.

  135. @Ivy
    @guest


    You’ve probably heard the story about the undeniably awesome helicopter raid in Apocalypse Now!
     
    That scene included Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries, which had a few effects. It introduced a new generation to Wagner, and pissed off a lot of people who had blacklisted Wagner. Of course, tastes vary, as noted by Mark Twain: "Wagner's music is better than it sounds."

    Replies: @guest, @Jim Don Bob

    That was the main reason we were supposed to think of them as Nazis, I suppose. Because Hitler liked him, though more the Mastersingers than the Ring, and he railed against the Joos. Other sources of Nazidom get a leftist pass, like Nietzsche. Other great artists are allowed to hate Joos, like Dostoyevsky. But Wagner is the scapegoat, even though he was a leftist revolutionary himself.

    I was born after Apocalypse Now, so I can’t speak to Wagner’s popularity before and after. But that piece is powerful and crowdpleasing, and to an extent makes the scene. I want to say it was an “oops.” But, again, they had to know how it would move the audience. It must have been intended to be ironically enjoyed, as, I’ve been saying. Which us fatal to political correctness.

    Mark Twain’s bon mot makes no literal sense, but seems true. Wagner’s great strength is in set pieces and grand moments, awash in a sea of boring, tuneless, swampy hours of musical soup. There are those brief, shining moments of brilliance: the Ride of the Valkyries, the Rhine Journey, Siegfried’s funeral march, the rainbow bridge, the magic fire music, the forest murmurs, the love-death, the Good Friday music, the overtures and interludes and so forth. So beautiful that they almost make the rest worth it.

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @guest

    The Valkyries passage was often played in stereo shops (stereo being a term from ancient history, successor to the even more ancient hi-fi gear, with shops typically found in proximity to college campuses) to 'demonstrate' the sonic range. Those shop systems were higher end, and often had the equalizers tweaked for maximum effect, somewhat analogous to how TV stores now have a visual display mode that people change to something more appealing when they want to watch at home).

    That equipment and presentation all served to impress their target audience of young men looking to buy new bookshelf speakers, turntables, tape decks and other arcana.

    Hey, come up to my apartment and we can listen to the new xyz album on my stereo. That was a variation on come up and see my etchings, or similar lines.

  136. @BB753
    @Expletive Deleted

    A truly convincing theory, as Wilson's (Burgess) first wife consequently never could bear any children. But why would he hide her betrayal, seeing as she was dead when he published his memoirs, and married to his second wife?

    Replies: @PiltdownMan

    In reading the various accounts of Burgess’ wife encounter with US GIs during the London blackout, a few do not describe it as rape, but rather as a robbery and beating. I wonder if, with the passage of time, people are conflating Burgess’ fictional account in A Clockwork Orange with what actually happened to his wife?

    Expletive Deleted’s theory is plausible though, and fits that time and its mores.

  137. @Steve Sailer
    @Anon

    They're going to have to figure out how to put a famous Chinese actor into these Emmett Till movies.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Brutusale

    Perfect role for Will Smith’s girly son.

  138. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not sure Kaepernick is half-Italian. Heard half-Middle Eastern of some kind.

    Replies: @SPMoore8, @Brutusale

    Kaepernick’s birth mother, definitely white Heidi Russo:

    Kaepernick steps into it tonight in San Diego, where it’s Salute to the Military night:

    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2016/08/31/chargers-plan-to-greet-colin-kaepernick-with-a-salute-to-the-military-on-thursday-night/

  139. @Steve Sailer
    @SPMoore8

    When Cassius Clay and Lew Alcindor changed their names to Muslim ones, they were on top of the world.

    Kaepernick went 2-6 as a starter last season.

    Replies: @Brutusale

    How about Bobby Moore? He only caught 30 balls the year he changed his name.

  140. @Je Suis Charlie Martel
    @Marcus

    Isn't that basically the US men's soccer team? Half-black kids of GIs who grew up playing soccer in Germany.
    I think Steve wrote about that too ...

    Replies: @Brutusale

    I seemed to remember a big brown cow running around with the German damsels back in the day when women’s World Cup soccer was a novelty. Memory serves:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steffi_Jones

  141. @Ivy
    @guest


    You’ve probably heard the story about the undeniably awesome helicopter raid in Apocalypse Now!
     
    That scene included Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries, which had a few effects. It introduced a new generation to Wagner, and pissed off a lot of people who had blacklisted Wagner. Of course, tastes vary, as noted by Mark Twain: "Wagner's music is better than it sounds."

    Replies: @guest, @Jim Don Bob

    I still hear the words “Kill da Wabbit, kill da Wabbit” whenever I hear part of Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyries because I first heard it in the Bugs Bunny cartoon What’s Opera, Doc?

    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Jim Don Bob

    Then you probably also heard the Barber of Seville. Those early cartoons were quite creative, and played in the early evening before being relegated to the Saturday morning slot. At one time there was entertainment for young and old alike, albeit with different interpretations.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

  142. @guest
    @Ivy

    That was the main reason we were supposed to think of them as Nazis, I suppose. Because Hitler liked him, though more the Mastersingers than the Ring, and he railed against the Joos. Other sources of Nazidom get a leftist pass, like Nietzsche. Other great artists are allowed to hate Joos, like Dostoyevsky. But Wagner is the scapegoat, even though he was a leftist revolutionary himself.

    I was born after Apocalypse Now, so I can't speak to Wagner's popularity before and after. But that piece is powerful and crowdpleasing, and to an extent makes the scene. I want to say it was an "oops." But, again, they had to know how it would move the audience. It must have been intended to be ironically enjoyed, as, I've been saying. Which us fatal to political correctness.

    Mark Twain's bon mot makes no literal sense, but seems true. Wagner's great strength is in set pieces and grand moments, awash in a sea of boring, tuneless, swampy hours of musical soup. There are those brief, shining moments of brilliance: the Ride of the Valkyries, the Rhine Journey, Siegfried's funeral march, the rainbow bridge, the magic fire music, the forest murmurs, the love-death, the Good Friday music, the overtures and interludes and so forth. So beautiful that they almost make the rest worth it.

    Replies: @Ivy

    The Valkyries passage was often played in stereo shops (stereo being a term from ancient history, successor to the even more ancient hi-fi gear, with shops typically found in proximity to college campuses) to ‘demonstrate’ the sonic range. Those shop systems were higher end, and often had the equalizers tweaked for maximum effect, somewhat analogous to how TV stores now have a visual display mode that people change to something more appealing when they want to watch at home).

    That equipment and presentation all served to impress their target audience of young men looking to buy new bookshelf speakers, turntables, tape decks and other arcana.

    Hey, come up to my apartment and we can listen to the new xyz album on my stereo. That was a variation on come up and see my etchings, or similar lines.

  143. @Jim Don Bob
    @Ivy

    I still hear the words "Kill da Wabbit, kill da Wabbit" whenever I hear part of Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries because I first heard it in the Bugs Bunny cartoon What's Opera, Doc?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M

    Replies: @Ivy

    Then you probably also heard the Barber of Seville. Those early cartoons were quite creative, and played in the early evening before being relegated to the Saturday morning slot. At one time there was entertainment for young and old alike, albeit with different interpretations.

    • Replies: @SPMoore8
    @Ivy

    Among other classical music pieces that I can recall from the "Merrie Melodies" series of Warner Bros. cartoons include not only Ride of the Valkyries, but Siegfried's Rhine Journey, the overture to Rienzi, overture to Tannhauser, Mendelssohn's Hebrides Overture, Smetana's Dance of the Comedians, and Mendelssohn's Spring Song. Considering the context in which the emerge the result is frequently hilarious.

    As for the Walkuerenritt in Coppola's movie, I think it was only in there because of the association of the Valkyrie Ride (which opens Act III of that opera), that is, the girls riding their horses through the sky, and the helicopters. I don't know if it was intended for ironic effect, or just part of the general anti-war tenor of the film.

    Also I don't think Wagner's music has ever suffered, despite the assiduous attempts by various authors and self-mutilating members of his own family. There were of course some hiatus because of the World Wars. But there must be a dozen recordings of the Ring alone, and there are numerous performances of his operas to this day. For opera with a 19th century orchestra, Wagner and Richard Strauss are right up there with Verdi and Puccini, and after that there isn't really much.

    As for the operas themselves, I get that some people might consider the music soupy but the whole idea was to have a piece of music that was composed all the way through without any breaks, without recitative in the ordinary sense, and without easily separable set pieces. There's no question that a number of the speeches (Wagner wrote his own libretti) are extremely boring, but the musical treatment underneath is usually pretty good.

    Despite its length, Meistersinger (this was the one Hitler liked) is almost perfect, the only blemish is the pedantic recitations of the Preis-Lied in Act III and the over-extended humiliation of Beckmesser. Tristan and Parsifal are stupendous musically. Act I of Walkuere, perfect. The Ring does have a lot of boring passages/speeches. His earlier operas, Tannhauser, Dutchman, Lohengrin: these are more conventional in structure.

    Replies: @guest

  144. @Ivy
    @Jim Don Bob

    Then you probably also heard the Barber of Seville. Those early cartoons were quite creative, and played in the early evening before being relegated to the Saturday morning slot. At one time there was entertainment for young and old alike, albeit with different interpretations.

    Replies: @SPMoore8

    Among other classical music pieces that I can recall from the “Merrie Melodies” series of Warner Bros. cartoons include not only Ride of the Valkyries, but Siegfried’s Rhine Journey, the overture to Rienzi, overture to Tannhauser, Mendelssohn’s Hebrides Overture, Smetana’s Dance of the Comedians, and Mendelssohn’s Spring Song. Considering the context in which the emerge the result is frequently hilarious.

    As for the Walkuerenritt in Coppola’s movie, I think it was only in there because of the association of the Valkyrie Ride (which opens Act III of that opera), that is, the girls riding their horses through the sky, and the helicopters. I don’t know if it was intended for ironic effect, or just part of the general anti-war tenor of the film.

    Also I don’t think Wagner’s music has ever suffered, despite the assiduous attempts by various authors and self-mutilating members of his own family. There were of course some hiatus because of the World Wars. But there must be a dozen recordings of the Ring alone, and there are numerous performances of his operas to this day. For opera with a 19th century orchestra, Wagner and Richard Strauss are right up there with Verdi and Puccini, and after that there isn’t really much.

    As for the operas themselves, I get that some people might consider the music soupy but the whole idea was to have a piece of music that was composed all the way through without any breaks, without recitative in the ordinary sense, and without easily separable set pieces. There’s no question that a number of the speeches (Wagner wrote his own libretti) are extremely boring, but the musical treatment underneath is usually pretty good.

    Despite its length, Meistersinger (this was the one Hitler liked) is almost perfect, the only blemish is the pedantic recitations of the Preis-Lied in Act III and the over-extended humiliation of Beckmesser. Tristan and Parsifal are stupendous musically. Act I of Walkuere, perfect. The Ring does have a lot of boring passages/speeches. His earlier operas, Tannhauser, Dutchman, Lohengrin: these are more conventional in structure.

    • Replies: @guest
    @SPMoore8

    "and without easily separable set pieces"

    He failed there, because the parts that can be separated are the only parts I like. I don't know why one would bother to through-compose in the Wagnerian manner, or more accurately as Wagner attempted. I know what he was trying to avoid, which are the informal rules about how you have to have an aria here, a duo there, a trio over here, and a chorus at the end, or whatever. Let the drama dictate the score, maybe? But what's the matter with song?

    More importantly, what's the matter with tunes? I love melody, and I hate what Wagner did to it.

    I do like Parsifal, or parts of it. Tristan I can only stand in pieces. It just sounds like hours and hours of sour, out of tune mush. The earlier ones are better, especially the Dutchman. I also like Mastersingers.

    Verdi and Puccini are much better, in my opinion, because they have tunes. Except in his later operas Verdi tried to be Wagner, which was a mistake.

  145. @SPMoore8
    @Ivy

    Among other classical music pieces that I can recall from the "Merrie Melodies" series of Warner Bros. cartoons include not only Ride of the Valkyries, but Siegfried's Rhine Journey, the overture to Rienzi, overture to Tannhauser, Mendelssohn's Hebrides Overture, Smetana's Dance of the Comedians, and Mendelssohn's Spring Song. Considering the context in which the emerge the result is frequently hilarious.

    As for the Walkuerenritt in Coppola's movie, I think it was only in there because of the association of the Valkyrie Ride (which opens Act III of that opera), that is, the girls riding their horses through the sky, and the helicopters. I don't know if it was intended for ironic effect, or just part of the general anti-war tenor of the film.

    Also I don't think Wagner's music has ever suffered, despite the assiduous attempts by various authors and self-mutilating members of his own family. There were of course some hiatus because of the World Wars. But there must be a dozen recordings of the Ring alone, and there are numerous performances of his operas to this day. For opera with a 19th century orchestra, Wagner and Richard Strauss are right up there with Verdi and Puccini, and after that there isn't really much.

    As for the operas themselves, I get that some people might consider the music soupy but the whole idea was to have a piece of music that was composed all the way through without any breaks, without recitative in the ordinary sense, and without easily separable set pieces. There's no question that a number of the speeches (Wagner wrote his own libretti) are extremely boring, but the musical treatment underneath is usually pretty good.

    Despite its length, Meistersinger (this was the one Hitler liked) is almost perfect, the only blemish is the pedantic recitations of the Preis-Lied in Act III and the over-extended humiliation of Beckmesser. Tristan and Parsifal are stupendous musically. Act I of Walkuere, perfect. The Ring does have a lot of boring passages/speeches. His earlier operas, Tannhauser, Dutchman, Lohengrin: these are more conventional in structure.

    Replies: @guest

    “and without easily separable set pieces”

    He failed there, because the parts that can be separated are the only parts I like. I don’t know why one would bother to through-compose in the Wagnerian manner, or more accurately as Wagner attempted. I know what he was trying to avoid, which are the informal rules about how you have to have an aria here, a duo there, a trio over here, and a chorus at the end, or whatever. Let the drama dictate the score, maybe? But what’s the matter with song?

    More importantly, what’s the matter with tunes? I love melody, and I hate what Wagner did to it.

    I do like Parsifal, or parts of it. Tristan I can only stand in pieces. It just sounds like hours and hours of sour, out of tune mush. The earlier ones are better, especially the Dutchman. I also like Mastersingers.

    Verdi and Puccini are much better, in my opinion, because they have tunes. Except in his later operas Verdi tried to be Wagner, which was a mistake.

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