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With the Notre Dame Fighting Irish 11-0, from the Chicago Sun-Times:

He ran for judge, lost, changed parties, took Irish name, won Cook County race

Phillip Spiwak lost a judge’s race as a Republican. But he won after changing parties to Democrat and changing his name to Shannon P. O’Malley.

Abigail Blachman | Injustice Watch

… Irish-sounding names have long given Cook County judicial candidates an electoral edge. It also might not have hurt that O’Malley’s first name is gender-neutral in a year when Democratic women won elections up and down the ballot. …

He won by nearly 2,300 votes over Republican Daniel Fitzgerald despite failing to get the recommendations of bar associations after declining to submit information about his qualifications. …

“Daniel Fitzgerald” is clearly lacking in sufficient Vitamin I for Cook County politics. I suggest he change his name to “Clancy X. MacFitzgerald.”

In 2010, Albert Klumpp did a study that found judicial candidates with Irish- and female-sounding names in Cook County had an advantage, particularly in primaries or retention votes. But Klumpp says it’s more likely that O’Malley won not because of switching names but because he switched parties.

Poor Albert Klumpp might have a much better job, such as Cook County Recorder of Deeds, if only he weren’t named “Albert Klumpp,” which sounds like the fat kid in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. So, maybe, Aloysius Kelly?

… Candidates in Cook County changing their names to Irish-sounding names happened often enough that the Illinois legislature passed a law requiring that a candidate’s old name also be listed on the ballot if the name change was made within three years before the election.

I’m reminded of the conversation in The Loved One by Evelyn Waugh between two Englishmen in 1940s Hollywood:

‘How are things at Megalo [Movie Studios]?’ asked Sir Ambrose.

‘Greatly disturbed. We are having trouble with Juanita del Pablo,’ [says Sir Francis Hinsley, a publicist at Megalo].

‘”Luscious, languid and lustful”?’

‘Those are not the correct epithets. She is—or rather was—”Surly, lustrous and sadistic.” I should know because I composed the phrase myself. It was a “smash-hit”, as they say, and set a new note in personal publicity.

‘Miss del Pablo has been a particular protégée of mine from the first. I remember the day she arrived. Poor Leo bought her for her eyes. She was called Baby Aaronson then—splendid eyes and a fine head of black hair. So Leo made her Spanish. He had most of her nose cut off and sent her to Mexico for six weeks to learn Flamenco singing. Then he handed her over to me. I named her. I made her an antifascist refugee. I said she hated men because of her treatment by Franco’s Moors. That was a new angle then. It caught on. …”

‘And now there’s been a change of policy at the top. We are only making healthy films this year to please the League of Decency. So poor Juanita has to start at the beginning again as an Irish colleen. … She’s working ten hours a day learning the brogue and to make it harder for the poor girl they’ve pulled all her teeth out. …

‘I’ve spent three days trying to find a name to please her. She’s turned everything down. Maureen—there are two here already; Deirdre—no one could pronounce it; Oonagh—sounds Chinese; Bridget—too common.

Off topic, but I just noticed that the basic idea for the famous scene in the Coens’ Hail, Caesar! of an English director trying to teach a cowboy actor a drawing room accent is from the 1965 movie adaptation of The Loved One with John Gielgud, as Sir Francis, trying to instruct Dusty Acres how to speak like James Bond.

The 1965 The Loved One, with a screenplay by Terry Southern that’s kind of a cross between Dr. Strangelove and It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, is a notoriously Not Good movie, but I wonder how many more rudiments of good ideas could be mined from its bulk?

For example, as I pointed out a few years ago, Billy Wilder’s famous Sunset Boulevard started out as an adaptation of The Loved One (the 1948 novel, not its 1965 movie adaptation), but the studio couldn’t get Waugh to sell the rights, so Wilder switched to an original story with one scene in common, the man from the animal mortuary bit.

Waugh would likely have been better off selling the rights so Wilder could film the adaptation than 15 years later so Tony Richardson could shoot it.

 
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  1. In the same vein, we shall always remember Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu, aka Ashley Montagu, né Israel Ehrenberg.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Pericles

    Robert Maxwell “the bouncing Czech.”

    , @anonymous
    @Pericles

    It's amazing how many Jews change their name. I understand the desire to avoid discrimination and all, but it seems this has gone on for a long time. There's a total lack of desire to pass on the 'family name'.

    All the Prime Ministers of Israel were born with different names than they had in office.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  2. As you pointed out recently, a former British intelligence officer and mediocre sailor had a great career as Patrick O’Brian.

    And the choice of O’Malley was inspired since I believe that the MacLysaght tome on Irish Surnames describes the O’Malleys as “the Irish of the Irish.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_MacLysaght

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @Cortes

    Patrick O'Brien's literary career was greatly aided by his talent as a novelist/historian and his wife's talent as an editor...

    Replies: @Cortes

  3. @Pericles
    In the same vein, we shall always remember Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu, aka Ashley Montagu, né Israel Ehrenberg.

    Replies: @Cortes, @anonymous

    Robert Maxwell “the bouncing Czech.”

  4. Now thankfully long retired there was a Jewess who entered into a marriage of convenience for an Irish last name and took as her first name the name of an Irish whiskey.

    It works in Cook County.

    • Replies: @Alec Leamas
    @Hodag

    Bushmills Murphy - quite a lassy!

  5. Anonymous [AKA "Sean Gallagher"] says:

    Here’s to Eileen O’Hara
    For her life held no terror
    Born a virgin
    Died a virgin
    No runs, no hits, no errors

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Anonymous

    No rhymes?

    Replies: @Jake Barnes, @the one they call Desanex

  6. Life aint easy for a boy named Sue.

    Life apparently is easy for a boy named “Shannon.”

    By the way, would Johnny Cash’s song be considered Transphobic these days? Or would it be considered progressive for the time? Should Trans people adopt this song as their anthem?

    Well my daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn’t leave much to Ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze
    Now, I don’t blame him ’cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me “Sue

    Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
    And he went down, but to my surprise
    He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear
    But I busted a chair right across his teeth
    And we crashed through the wall and into the street
    Kicking and a’ gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer
    I tell ya, I’ve fought tougher men
    But I really can’t remember when
    He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile
    I heard him laugh and then I heard him cuss
    He went for his gun and I pulled mine first
    He stood there lookin’ at me and I saw him smile

    And he said, “Son, this world is rough
    And if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough
    And I know I wouldn’t be there to help ya along
    So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
    I knew you’d have to get tough or die
    And it’s the name that helped to make you strong”
    Yeah he said, “Now you just fought one hell of a fight
    And I know you hate me, and you got the right
    To kill me now, and I wouldn’t blame you if you do
    But ya ought to thank me, before I die
    For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
    ‘Cause I’m the son-of-a-bitch that named you “Sue”
    Yeah what could I do, what could I do
    I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
    Called him my Pa, and he called me his son
    And I come away with a different point of view
    And I think about him, now and then
    Every time I try and every time I win
    And if I ever have a son, I think I’m gonna name him
    Bill or George! Anything but Sue! I still hate that name! Yeah

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Not saying yea or nay but this looks like amphetamine nite for you when you drop tunes off your new album called Legend in my Mind.

    , @Tim
    @JohnnyWalker123

    AWESOME post. . . but it's not "every time I win." It's every time I "when".

  7. Archie Bunker schools on urban American politics. “The balanced ticket.”

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @Daniel H

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccco4ASA1EI

    Archie Bunker on Jews.

    You couldn't make a show like that now.

    Replies: @Trevor H.

  8. Joe Kennedy knew what it was all about. Somebody asked him why his son only beat Dick Nixon by a mere 100,000 votes in 1960, he replied :I’ll be damned if I had to pay for a landslide!”

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @Detective Club

    Detective, Hopefully we have now run through all the political Kennedys.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  9. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Why-The-Irish-Are-Our-Overlords-141446393.html

    There’s no doubt that being Irish is a political asset. Nowhere is it an asset more than Illinois, where non-Irish judicial candidates have adopted Gaelic names in order to sway voters who have nothing else to guide their decisions. But why, exactly, are the Irish so lucky in politics?

    For one thing, they had a one-generation head start on all the other immigrant groups, because they arrived here speaking English. They also had fewer enemies among the other ethnic groups. As the saying went, “A Lithuanian won’t vote for a Pole, and a Pole won’t vote for a Lithuanian. A German won’t vote for either of them. But all three will vote for a ‘turkey’ — an Irishman.” Only the English hated the Irish — and the English all lived in the suburbs.

    In 1990, The New York Times noted that

    … an Irish name, and sometimes two, will appear on the ballot next to each of the following offices: Illinois governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general, treasurer, secretary of state, Cook County board president, sheriff, assessor and state’s attorney…Over the years, more than one candidate for judge here has legally changed names to sound Irish. And for good reason: Voters in the Democratic primary here in 1984, for example, ousted four party-endorsed incumbent judges in favor of relatively obscure lawyers named Tully, Shelly, Kelly and Flanagan.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Anonymous

    Your refined and erudite comment gets a five star begorrah b'Jeez rating.

    , @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    The weird thing here is Chicago--while the Daley dynasty is well known--is not a very Irish-American city. It certainly isn't Boston.

    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles--several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) And of course the area--not so much Chicago proper--has the strong Germanic "background" of the upper Midwest.

    And then the city ... isn't even white. Right now its just a bit less than 1/3 each white, black and Mexican--with the noise filling in the difference. (Which is why Illinois has become a reliable blue state disaster.)

    And yet people are voting for politicians because they are Irish? Weird.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @prosa123, @Mike Zwick

  10. Not your father’s “O’Malley.”

  11. @Anonymous
    Here’s to Eileen O’Hara
    For her life held no terror
    Born a virgin
    Died a virgin
    No runs, no hits, no errors

    Replies: @Cortes

    No rhymes?

    • Replies: @Jake Barnes
    @Cortes

    It sort of rhymes in Boston

    , @the one they call Desanex
    @Cortes

    Virgin rhymes with virgin. All too well, in fact.

  12. “Irish-American” John Kerry.

    Denis MacShane, aka, Denis Matyjaszek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_MacShane

  13. John Kerry’s real last name is Kohn. John Kerry appears to have no Irish ancestry at all.

    That bastard John Kerry has a big hankering for wealthy ketchup widows, though!

    Kohn as a surname in Massachusetts might not get the Leprechauns in a voting mood.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-kerry-was-kohn-1.5279459

    • Replies: @Simple Psuedonym
    @Charles Pewitt

    His Patrician demeanor is from the Forbes.

  14. In other Irish-related news, it’s pretty interesting that someone murdered Whitey Bulger.

    It’s interesting how tough sounding a lot of these ethnic types (especially in Boston and NYC) are in comparison to the average suburban person. I wonder how much vocal intonation reflects our inner personalities.

    By the way, lots of Italians in South Boston.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    "In other Irish-related news, it’s pretty interesting that someone murdered Whitey Bulger."

    I'll bet Mueller is breathing easier. Who had him transferred anyway?

  15. I suggest he change his name to “Clancy X. MacFitzgerald.”

    That sounds like a member of the Bureau of Sabotage

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @El Dato

    Middle Initial "X," for "Xavier," as in "St. Francis Xavier," goes better with given name "Francis." An Irish favorite; however, there was also Massachusetts pol Francis X. Belotti.

  16. OT: Midterm analysis shows women rapidly moving away from Trump, especially white educated women

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/17/opinion/sunday/trump-is-beginning-to-lose-his-grip.html

    Gender polarization intensifies

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Jason Liu

    "especially white educated women"

    I guess Macron needs to be imported then.

    , @J.Ross
    @Jason Liu

    Because they believe the mainstream media. The best way to commit terrorism would be to gain a corner of the mainstream media and tell women to do something medically injurious but not obviously or immediately so.
    Like, I don't know, "stop having families."
    -----
    Do we know that Spiwak is parenthetical or is he just bracketing?
    -----
    This is not topical but tolerate it anyway: 95 unnamed "new wave" or contemporary pop stars: how many can you name? Of course I stopped when I got to Peter Murphy because there's nothing after that. [puffs a Galois directly under a no smoking sign, eyes conformists]
    https://postimg.cc/f3zHzck7

    , @Whiskey
    @Jason Liu

    There is no end to the ways in which nice White ladies are the mortal enemy of White men. They get to have the Third World right here. Eat Pray Love. We get a Reginald Denny or Lee Rigby special.

    And that could not make White women happier. By definition women only care about the top 5% violent men. A giant culling of betas would make them delighted.

    The only solution is to destroy the female media ecosystem. Have it regulated to death with non stop psa and economic stats like Cuban med ia. Make it full commie and boring so it repels women like classical music does Black people.

  17. OT

    Birth tourism Canada style: no ‘birthright citizenship’, no problem.

    https://twitter.com/FaithGoldy/status/1064228933024038919

  18. @Jason Liu
    OT: Midterm analysis shows women rapidly moving away from Trump, especially white educated women

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/17/opinion/sunday/trump-is-beginning-to-lose-his-grip.html

    Gender polarization intensifies

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @Whiskey

    “especially white educated women”

    I guess Macron needs to be imported then.

  19. @Daniel H
    Archie Bunker schools on urban American politics. "The balanced ticket."

    https://youtu.be/qaLwvkLYYLQ

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    Archie Bunker on Jews.

    You couldn’t make a show like that now.

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Decades later Sarah Silverman is trafficking in the same material: Don't be anti-jewish, goys, or we will inflict negroes upon you.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1087347/quotes

    And still, it's the goys who are racist.

    Replies: @Lagertha

  20. Germany’s Third Reich of 1933-45 was nearly led by a man receiving salutes of ‘Heil, Schicklgruber!’ … The New York Times sez:

    Hitler’s father, Alois, had been born out of wedlock to Maria Anna Schicklgruber. Eventually, the acknowledged father, Johann Georg Heidler, married Maria, but he never bothered to legitimise his son.

    And there is the ‘other’ popular story, that Maria Schicklgruber had been working as a maid in the house of Baron Rothschild, said by some to be Adolf Hitler’s real grandfather … ahem! … the NY Times continues:

    In 1876, however, the brother of Johann Georg Heidler, then dead, took the necessary steps to legitimize Alois and legally change his name. Thus, records Alan Bullock, ”From the beginning of 1877, 12 years before Adolf was born, his father called himself Hitler, and his son was never known by any other name until his opponents dug up this long-forgotten village scandal and tried, without justification, to label him with his grandmother’s name of Schicklgruber.’

    But Germany’s Führer as ‘Shicklgruber’ was immortalised by the Three Stooges:

    • Replies: @flyingtiger
    @Brabantian

    Still one of the best satires on the Nazis. Only Jack Benny could do it better.

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Brabantian

    Yes. This has been well known since Shirer's book.

    "Heil Schickelgruber!"

    "Heil Heidler!"

    "Heil Hitler" has an efficient phonetic punch.

  21. Many judges in Cleveland are named Sweeney, Russo or Celebrezze. A few years back, one guy changed his name from Goretzke to Sweeney in preparation for his judicial career. I don’t think he’s won an election yet but he’ll keep trying.

    http://www.sweeneyforjudge.com

    Lots of Celebrezzes in Ohio politics. I seem to remember one party finding a guy named Calabrese in the phone book and getting him to run, and he won. I think the guy was a plumber or something.

  22. Young Kim should have run as “¡Jovena Chimichanga!”

  23. “Saving the Irish the inhabitants of Tierra Del Fuego are the most degenerate race on the face of the Earth”

  24. And what of “Beto” O’Rourke?

    He seems to have been selected for us by Megalo Studios.

  25. With Notre Dame 11 and 0 we actually didn’t have to listen to the idiotic commentators make the almost yearly statement “I don’t think any team will reach the bowl season with zero losses” which you usually hear after the first ND loss.

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @AWM

    AWM, do yo know how to tell that some one is an alum of Notre Dame? You don't, they will never stop telling you that they graduated from Notre Dame.

  26. @Jason Liu
    OT: Midterm analysis shows women rapidly moving away from Trump, especially white educated women

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/17/opinion/sunday/trump-is-beginning-to-lose-his-grip.html

    Gender polarization intensifies

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @Whiskey

    Because they believe the mainstream media. The best way to commit terrorism would be to gain a corner of the mainstream media and tell women to do something medically injurious but not obviously or immediately so.
    Like, I don’t know, “stop having families.”
    —–
    Do we know that Spiwak is parenthetical or is he just bracketing?
    —–
    This is not topical but tolerate it anyway: 95 unnamed “new wave” or contemporary pop stars: how many can you name? Of course I stopped when I got to Peter Murphy because there’s nothing after that. [puffs a Galois directly under a no smoking sign, eyes conformists]
    https://postimg.cc/f3zHzck7

  27. We just returned from a bus tour of southwest Ireland. My grandfather’s name was Edward Ross … from somewhere in Ireland at God knows when.

    On the tour, we saw “Ross Lake” and “Ross Castle”. I mentioned to the tour guide that my grandfather was a “Ross”. OUCH! He looked at me and said, “And YOU are a ROSS? … YOU ARE A ROSS!”

    I later learned why I had suffered his displeasure. “Ross” was the surname of one of those faux aristocrats brought in to rule the Irish by whatever recent group of Scots or English had conquered the place.

    And here I thought I was Irish. Come on! I had blond hair, green eyes, and (according to 23&Me) 5% Neanderthal and no sub-Saharan genes.

    I suggest that NO ONE in Chicago should use the name “Ross” to fake an Irish heritage to win an election.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @TheJester

    The Kennedys were from new Ross.

  28. Separated by death and fed only by a fistful of bumps, the Ford brothers of Ontairio fight valiantly for a sane Canada one snort at a time.


    Mr Dhanraj is a Canadian journaist and the resolution (which passed) rejects PC gender nonsense as unscientific. This follows a claim in the UK that mentally challenged children are being manipulated into requesting hormone blockers.

    • Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon
    @J.Ross

    I suspect this is the UK claim you mention:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6401593/Whistleblower-teacher-makes-shocking-claim-autistic.html
    Watch the video there. It is shocking. Adults are standing and giving their approval as a child is being sexually mutilated.

    Rod Dreher picks up on this:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/transgender-totalitarianism/
    and adds more, including the fact that there seems to be an active purge right of "trans-critical" feminists online. Actually he just reports that gendertrender.wordpress.com has just been deleted, after it reported details of the guy suing 16 women in Canada for refusing to wax his genitals. Apparently some fan has pulled the content from archive.org and reposted the whole site at http://gendertrender.co/. The article on the Canada guy is insane. Scroll down also to read the article on the Credit Suisse guy.
    Apparently wordpress has also deleted genderidentitywatch.com.

    Both of these sites had tons of actual information and I think attracted many readers and comments from people who have been directly harmed by transgenderism, most of them no doubt people who do not read sites like this.

    It seems wordpress surreptitiously changed their terms of service several days ago for the precise purpose of deleting these sites. This is according to person behind GenderTrender:
    https://dgrnewsservice.org/civilization/patriarchy/gender/wordpress-censors-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

    Twitter may be involved too, as this guy seems to be keeping a running log of feminists purged for "anti-trans" comments:
    https://twitter.com/SamBarber1910/status/1063250389791883264

    Replies: @J.Ross

    , @Redneck farmer
    @J.Ross

    Dhanraj, wasn't one of them was aide-de-camp of the French general who died defending Quebec when Wolfe took it?

  29. Meanwhile, in New York City, “Bill de Blasio” beats “Warren Wilhelm Jr.”

    • LOL: Bubba
    • Replies: @Bubba
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thanks for that reminder! And even more insane was that he paid an additional indulgence to the Most Holy Secular Church by marrying a black lesbian for the PC original sin of being sired by and named after a German father (who was wounded as a U.S. Marine on Okinawa in WWII). I think Bill "the NYC mayor" formerly known as "Warren Wilhelm, Jr." will soon "transition" to female so he can run for President. However, it might be too soon though as Vermont could not bring themselves to vote for a "transgendered" governor 2 weeks ago.

  30. @Jason Liu
    OT: Midterm analysis shows women rapidly moving away from Trump, especially white educated women

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/17/opinion/sunday/trump-is-beginning-to-lose-his-grip.html

    Gender polarization intensifies

    Replies: @El Dato, @J.Ross, @Whiskey

    There is no end to the ways in which nice White ladies are the mortal enemy of White men. They get to have the Third World right here. Eat Pray Love. We get a Reginald Denny or Lee Rigby special.

    And that could not make White women happier. By definition women only care about the top 5% violent men. A giant culling of betas would make them delighted.

    The only solution is to destroy the female media ecosystem. Have it regulated to death with non stop psa and economic stats like Cuban med ia. Make it full commie and boring so it repels women like classical music does Black people.

  31. I’ve no interest al all in the idiocies of Illinois machine politics, but I am very grateful indeed for this reminder of the sublime comedic levels of which Waugh the Master was capable.

    But his genius was more than merely diverting. He saw far too much, far too quickly, and far too deeply. In the end, when the Church too fulfilled his worst apprehensions, he ceased hoping, and died.

    But: “Franco’s Moors”. The Gramscian march was already well underway. Waugh wouldn’t have known to call it that, but he saw it at work and instantly recognised it for what it was. There is laughter, but it is filled with foreboding, a foreboding we now know was all too fully justified.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes, utu, kaganovitch
  32. I always knew The Pogues were wrong!

  33. @Anonymous
    https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Why-The-Irish-Are-Our-Overlords-141446393.html

    There’s no doubt that being Irish is a political asset. Nowhere is it an asset more than Illinois, where non-Irish judicial candidates have adopted Gaelic names in order to sway voters who have nothing else to guide their decisions. But why, exactly, are the Irish so lucky in politics?

    For one thing, they had a one-generation head start on all the other immigrant groups, because they arrived here speaking English. They also had fewer enemies among the other ethnic groups. As the saying went, “A Lithuanian won’t vote for a Pole, and a Pole won’t vote for a Lithuanian. A German won’t vote for either of them. But all three will vote for a ‘turkey’ -- an Irishman.” Only the English hated the Irish -- and the English all lived in the suburbs.

    In 1990, The New York Times noted that

    ... an Irish name, and sometimes two, will appear on the ballot next to each of the following offices: Illinois governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general, treasurer, secretary of state, Cook County board president, sheriff, assessor and state’s attorney…Over the years, more than one candidate for judge here has legally changed names to sound Irish. And for good reason: Voters in the Democratic primary here in 1984, for example, ousted four party-endorsed incumbent judges in favor of relatively obscure lawyers named Tully, Shelly, Kelly and Flanagan.
     

    Replies: @Clyde, @AnotherDad

    Your refined and erudite comment gets a five star begorrah b’Jeez rating.

  34. @JohnnyWalker123
    Life aint easy for a boy named Sue.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4

    Life apparently is easy for a boy named "Shannon."

    By the way, would Johnny Cash's song be considered Transphobic these days? Or would it be considered progressive for the time? Should Trans people adopt this song as their anthem?

    Well my daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn't leave much to Ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze
    Now, I don't blame him 'cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue
     
    "

    Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
    And he went down, but to my surprise
    He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear
    But I busted a chair right across his teeth
    And we crashed through the wall and into the street
    Kicking and a' gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer
    I tell ya, I've fought tougher men
    But I really can't remember when
    He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile
    I heard him laugh and then I heard him cuss
    He went for his gun and I pulled mine first
    He stood there lookin' at me and I saw him smile
     

    And he said, "Son, this world is rough
    And if a man's gonna make it, he's gotta be tough
    And I know I wouldn't be there to help ya along
    So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
    I knew you'd have to get tough or die
    And it's the name that helped to make you strong"
    Yeah he said, "Now you just fought one hell of a fight
    And I know you hate me, and you got the right
    To kill me now, and I wouldn't blame you if you do
    But ya ought to thank me, before I die
    For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
    'Cause I'm the son-of-a-bitch that named you "Sue"
    Yeah what could I do, what could I do
    I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
    Called him my Pa, and he called me his son
    And I come away with a different point of view
    And I think about him, now and then
    Every time I try and every time I win
    And if I ever have a son, I think I'm gonna name him
    Bill or George! Anything but Sue! I still hate that name! Yeah
     

    Replies: @Clyde, @Tim

    Not saying yea or nay but this looks like amphetamine nite for you when you drop tunes off your new album called Legend in my Mind.

  35. When the LaRouchies did well in a primary a few decades ago it was attributed to their genuine non-ethnic names. I don’t suppose anyone would use WASP names now to get an advantage.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Sean

    1986 Illinois Gubernatorial election, the one after the 1982 one with all the vote fraud convictions and the loooooong count. Same candidate, Adlai Stevenson III. He wound up on a Democrat ticket with a couple of LaRouchies so he ended up forming a new party. And lost the election.

  36. Plastic Paddy?

    “Gorgeous George” Galloway, ?ethnic Irish? the epitome of the gift of the gab – check out his debate with Hitchens – at the US Senate (the couple of minutes around the ten minute mark are especially entertaining):

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Cortes

    Galloway is a Scottish county; Galway is an Irish county.

    Replies: @Cortes

  37. @Harry Baldwin
    Meanwhile, in New York City, "Bill de Blasio" beats "Warren Wilhelm Jr."

    Replies: @Bubba

    Thanks for that reminder! And even more insane was that he paid an additional indulgence to the Most Holy Secular Church by marrying a black lesbian for the PC original sin of being sired by and named after a German father (who was wounded as a U.S. Marine on Okinawa in WWII). I think Bill “the NYC mayor” formerly known as “Warren Wilhelm, Jr.” will soon “transition” to female so he can run for President. However, it might be too soon though as Vermont could not bring themselves to vote for a “transgendered” governor 2 weeks ago.

  38. Maybe if I change my name to Jonquarius Malenka I can become mayor of Baltimore.

    • Replies: @Rohirrimborn
    @The Z Blog

    President Trump's sister is named Maryanne Barry. She could win the Washington DC mayoralty in a landslide if she wanted the job.

  39. Florida’s senior senator is Irish.

    (drum roll please)

    Mark O’Rubio.

  40. @Sean
    When the LaRouchies did well in a primary a few decades ago it was attributed to their genuine non-ethnic names. I don't suppose anyone would use WASP names now to get an advantage.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    1986 Illinois Gubernatorial election, the one after the 1982 one with all the vote fraud convictions and the loooooong count. Same candidate, Adlai Stevenson III. He wound up on a Democrat ticket with a couple of LaRouchies so he ended up forming a new party. And lost the election.

  41. The Irish: Jews with less money and more alcoholism

  42. I remember being surprised more than a decade ago by the strongly anti-Irish attitudes of many Americans in online chat sites. A guy from Chicago, called Thomas777 was especially militant. I eventually came to learn why and I became sympathetic. This blog post reminded me of all that.

    • Replies: @Joe862
    @Cagey Beast

    Absolutely. I'm in a Chicago suburb and I have a ton of experience with the irish. They're easily a standard deviation worse people than average white people. They're corrupt, clannish, LAZY, lovers of bullshit, dishonest and stupid. They show a ton of preference for their fellow "irish". I had no opinion of the irish until I ended up working for a very irish Chicago based company in a Chicago suburb. I was in shock for years. Italian behavior is in the same family. The negative stereotypes are too kind. If you aren't in their group they'll give you every reason to despise them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian

  43. There was a Welsh girl with the surname of Jones,
    She had jet black hair and eyes like coal stones,
    So when she entered the movie biz,
    And wanted to seem full of fizz,
    She put Zeta between Jones, Catherine and Miss.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Tyrion 2

    Yours... a few rungs above the doggerel attempted here.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

  44. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:

    If Spiwak had a sense of humor, he would have changed his named to Richard Daley.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Tre

    Richard X. Daley.

    On the South Side he could campaign as Richard X.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  45. @Detective Club
    Joe Kennedy knew what it was all about. Somebody asked him why his son only beat Dick Nixon by a mere 100,000 votes in 1960, he replied : "I'll be damned if I had to pay for a landslide!"
    https://youtu.be/4PE6zQbKJzY

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    Detective, Hopefully we have now run through all the political Kennedys.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Buffalo Joe

    God save us more any more Kennedys--and Clintons, and Bushes.

    (There ought to be a law.)

  46. @AWM
    With Notre Dame 11 and 0 we actually didn't have to listen to the idiotic commentators make the almost yearly statement "I don't think any team will reach the bowl season with zero losses" which you usually hear after the first ND loss.

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe

    AWM, do yo know how to tell that some one is an alum of Notre Dame? You don’t, they will never stop telling you that they graduated from Notre Dame.

  47. @Tyrion 2
    There was a Welsh girl with the surname of Jones,
    She had jet black hair and eyes like coal stones,
    So when she entered the movie biz,
    And wanted to seem full of fizz,
    She put Zeta between Jones, Catherine and Miss.

    Replies: @Clyde

    Yours… a few rungs above the doggerel attempted here.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @Clyde

    Are you kidding?

  48. @Mike Tre
    If Spiwak had a sense of humor, he would have changed his named to Richard Daley.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    Richard X. Daley.

    On the South Side he could campaign as Richard X.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Heck,

    Richard XX Daley even. That would get him the Black AND Latino Vote: Richard Dos Echies Daley. Every discarded beer can along Archer Avenue would be like a free campaign ad.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  49. The Irish come second, yet they seem to have more heft:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County,_Illinois#Demographics
    “Sizeable non-Hispanic white populations are those of German (11.4%), Irish (10.3%), Polish (9.7%), Italian (6.1%), and British (4.1%) descent.”

    • Replies: @Aidan Kehoe
    @theo the kraut

    Theo, it always was a consistent thing in the US that the Irish tended to vote along ethnic lines, where the Germans tended to worry about superficial stuff like ideas or electoral promises. The only thing that ever unified German voters over there was rolling back prohibition. I thoroughly recommend EA Ross, ‘The Old World in the New’:


    ‘As voters, the Germans have shown little clannishness. Their partizanship has not been bigoted, and by their insistence on independent voting they have perplexed and disgusted the politicians. […] No immigrants have been more apt to look at public questions from a common-welfare point of view and to vote for their principles rather than for their friends. If by “political aptitude” is meant the skill to use politics for private advantage, then in this capacity the German must be ranked low among our foreign-born.’
     
    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation, though it clearly makes for a superior monoethnic nation. There’s actually an awful lot to be learned from the New World of 1800–1950 (in large part the US, but also Argentina, Canada, Brazil) in what to expect from the EU in the next few decades. If politicians of Irish background end up promising a moonshot which was then implemented, mostly by Germans, well, at least the species will have a second moonshot! :)

    Replies: @Hibernian, @TelfoedJohn, @Flip

    , @Clifford Brown
    @theo the kraut

    Many Irish in Chicago are closer to their immigrant roots and thus have retained their ethnic identity to some extent. Germans in Chicago are basically just Americans at this point.

    , @The Alarmist
    @theo the kraut

    I wondered how a pollack could lose in Chicago.

  50. Ocasio-Cortez shows the limits of being Irish. Indeed the future of the Democratic Party leadership far and wide is in sight — no Whites need apply. To borrow a phrase.

    Imagine, a sea of Maxine Waters, Ocasio-Cortez, and Stacy Abrams types as far as the eye can see, from the lowest deputy mayor of Podunkville, to the President (Goddess Empress Oprah of course).

    That clearly is the future … how much legitimacy people like that will hold for the very White military, ambitious White men, and even fearful White men (its a short throw from being a worker drone to living by the freeway) is an open question. I would suggest …

    Not much, with a lack of opportunity. Frontier societies with lots of new land to seize from non-competitive natives like the Indians have a lot slack in absorbing immigrants who dominate the centers of commerce and production. Other places resemble Indonesia and the Philippines.

    It is a world on fire, everywhere.

  51. @Cagey Beast
    I remember being surprised more than a decade ago by the strongly anti-Irish attitudes of many Americans in online chat sites. A guy from Chicago, called Thomas777 was especially militant. I eventually came to learn why and I became sympathetic. This blog post reminded me of all that.

    Replies: @Joe862

    Absolutely. I’m in a Chicago suburb and I have a ton of experience with the irish. They’re easily a standard deviation worse people than average white people. They’re corrupt, clannish, LAZY, lovers of bullshit, dishonest and stupid. They show a ton of preference for their fellow “irish”. I had no opinion of the irish until I ended up working for a very irish Chicago based company in a Chicago suburb. I was in shock for years. Italian behavior is in the same family. The negative stereotypes are too kind. If you aren’t in their group they’ll give you every reason to despise them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Joe862

    I have some, and sometimes considerable, respect for Irish people actually living in Ireland, and plenty of generic American whites have "Irish" last names but don't make a big deal out of Irishness seem perfectly OK to me, but my experience with Irish-Americans who make a big deal about being Irish is that most of them are worthless twats. I gather people in Ireland would largely agree with that.

    Replies: @Joe862

    , @Hibernian
    @Joe862

    I'll bet it was really enjoyable for your co-workers to work with you.

    Replies: @Joe862

  52. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @Steve Sailer
    @Mike Tre

    Richard X. Daley.

    On the South Side he could campaign as Richard X.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    Heck,

    Richard XX Daley even. That would get him the Black AND Latino Vote: Richard Dos Echies Daley. Every discarded beer can along Archer Avenue would be like a free campaign ad.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mexicans in America may not drink American Coke, but they guzzle American beer with aplomb. Mexican beers in America are primarily bought by trendy Americans (though most are actually good, being brew by German or Czech descended and trained brewmeisters).

    Replies: @Mike Tre

  53. @theo the kraut
    The Irish come second, yet they seem to have more heft:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County,_Illinois#Demographics
    "Sizeable non-Hispanic white populations are those of German (11.4%), Irish (10.3%), Polish (9.7%), Italian (6.1%), and British (4.1%) descent."

    Replies: @Aidan Kehoe, @Clifford Brown, @The Alarmist

    Theo, it always was a consistent thing in the US that the Irish tended to vote along ethnic lines, where the Germans tended to worry about superficial stuff like ideas or electoral promises. The only thing that ever unified German voters over there was rolling back prohibition. I thoroughly recommend EA Ross, ‘The Old World in the New’:

    ‘As voters, the Germans have shown little clannishness. Their partizanship has not been bigoted, and by their insistence on independent voting they have perplexed and disgusted the politicians. […] No immigrants have been more apt to look at public questions from a common-welfare point of view and to vote for their principles rather than for their friends. If by “political aptitude” is meant the skill to use politics for private advantage, then in this capacity the German must be ranked low among our foreign-born.’

    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation, though it clearly makes for a superior monoethnic nation. There’s actually an awful lot to be learned from the New World of 1800–1950 (in large part the US, but also Argentina, Canada, Brazil) in what to expect from the EU in the next few decades. If politicians of Irish background end up promising a moonshot which was then implemented, mostly by Germans, well, at least the species will have a second moonshot! 🙂

    • Agree: theo the kraut
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Aidan Kehoe

    German Americans have trended Republican since the Civil War and especially after WWI.

    Replies: @prosa123

    , @TelfoedJohn
    @Aidan Kehoe


    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation,
     
    The ‘least effective’ group must be the Scandinavians of Minnesota, where perhaps 80% of recent senators have been Jewish, who are about 1% of the state.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_from_Minnesota

    Replies: @Autochthon

    , @Flip
    @Aidan Kehoe

    Germans were split among Catholics, Lutherans, Reformed, Evangelicals (Prussian Union), and Jews. Additionally, two wars against your homeland will cause assimilation to accelerate.

  54. The most astonishing name change for me was a Jew who chose the surname (Joel) Carmichael. This would have been fine if he really had wanted to act like a Scot, but he came from an avid Zionist family and was an avid Zionist himself. He wrote a book about how Jesus was in reality a good Jewish Zealot afterwards misinterpreted by bad Antisemites like Paul and John.
    I was rather impressed by the volubility and conviction of the author, but perplexed by the fanaticism with which he pursued a rather improbable way of thinking – until I much later on noticed that he was a Jew and that these kinds of books are a fixed “genre” in Jewish literature: Jesus is either a good Pharisee (for orthodox readers) or a good anti-Roman Zealot (for the secular readers).

  55. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:

    Changing your whole name is a bit excessive, although I guess he’s just following the lead of other prominent Dem. politicians (Tony Villar –> Antonio Villaraigosa, Warren Wilhelm –> Bill DeBlasio). The “classic” Cook County move was to just change your middle name to “Fitzgerald” e.g. Cook County judge John Fitzgerald Lyke

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I knew a lawyer named FitzGerald whose brother was elected a US Senator. He famously appointed another FitzGerald as federal prosecutor.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @rufus

    , @Prester John
    @Anonymous

    Reading a review about that movie about Gary Hart reminded me that there was an issue over his correct surname, which was supposedly "Hartpence" (a name straight out of Dickens).

  56. @theo the kraut
    The Irish come second, yet they seem to have more heft:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County,_Illinois#Demographics
    "Sizeable non-Hispanic white populations are those of German (11.4%), Irish (10.3%), Polish (9.7%), Italian (6.1%), and British (4.1%) descent."

    Replies: @Aidan Kehoe, @Clifford Brown, @The Alarmist

    Many Irish in Chicago are closer to their immigrant roots and thus have retained their ethnic identity to some extent. Germans in Chicago are basically just Americans at this point.

  57. @Anonymous
    Changing your whole name is a bit excessive, although I guess he's just following the lead of other prominent Dem. politicians (Tony Villar --> Antonio Villaraigosa, Warren Wilhelm --> Bill DeBlasio). The "classic" Cook County move was to just change your middle name to "Fitzgerald" e.g. Cook County judge John Fitzgerald Lyke

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/635440851662041088/kN3LnI_C_400x400.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Prester John

    I knew a lawyer named FitzGerald whose brother was elected a US Senator. He famously appointed another FitzGerald as federal prosecutor.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Steve Sailer

    FitzGerald is definitely not a bog-Irish name.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    , @rufus
    @Steve Sailer

    Blagoevich Fitzgerald.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  58. This is such an outrage, because if Pakistan stands for amything, Pakistan stands for female sexual liberty and freedom from extra-judicial violence!
    https://twitter.com/i_aliarif/status/1064190532006674433
    Somewhere in one of my many “how to swear in X” books a Chinese fellow writes to foreigners DO NOT try to get laid in China (unless it’s a prostitute). This is not Japan. Do not even try.

  59. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    My dad knew a guy who changed his name to Roberto Eduardo Leon and got a minority government contract and did very well. So well he bought a brand new Beech King Air cash despite not even having his multi or commercial/instrument ticket. He took the checkride in this thing (and passed).

  60. @Mike Tre
    @Steve Sailer

    Heck,

    Richard XX Daley even. That would get him the Black AND Latino Vote: Richard Dos Echies Daley. Every discarded beer can along Archer Avenue would be like a free campaign ad.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Mexicans in America may not drink American Coke, but they guzzle American beer with aplomb. Mexican beers in America are primarily bought by trendy Americans (though most are actually good, being brew by German or Czech descended and trained brewmeisters).

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Anonymous

    It's true they like their Bud Light, but in my experience Corona, XX, and Tecate are big favorites among Chicago area mestizos.

    And I have literal "on the ground" experience for the basis of my anecdotes.

    And Corona is terrible beer.

  61. Why haven’t the Germans gained much relative political power in the US, despite their larger aggregate- emmigrant-to-the-US numbers than even the Irish? Eisenhower? And he even had an Anglicized last name -howser vs -hauser. Trump is a phenomena unto himself and is half Scot. Was it WW I and WW II? Are Germans too logical thinking to deal in politics?

    German-American politicians are hard to come by.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Hgh

    I think German Americans don't really see themselves as an ethnic group any more given all the assimilation and intermarriage. We are just generic white people at this point.

    , @Redneck farmer
    @Hgh

    Too busy keeping the competent part of the country running.

    , @S. Anonyia
    @Hgh

    Because most Germans married descendants of other immigrants, and German-Irish, German-Italian, German-Polish, etc always call themselves Irish, Italian, Polish. Also because of anglicization most German surnames are not that distinctive, though there are a few exceptions.

  62. @Hodag
    Now thankfully long retired there was a Jewess who entered into a marriage of convenience for an Irish last name and took as her first name the name of an Irish whiskey.

    It works in Cook County.

    Replies: @Alec Leamas

    Bushmills Murphy – quite a lassy!

  63. HATE HOAX
    Somebody put a Nazi sticker on a New York subway and — wait, what? This is a news story? Have they caught all the homeless guys who masturbate right in front of female passengers? Anyway, King Solomon here didn’t figure that subways have cameras now, and pictures of his big Nazi shnozz are all over New York now. He’s probably verklempt.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-straphanger-caught-swastika-sticker-20181118-story.html

    • Replies: @Trevor H.
    @J.Ross

    And each and every one of these (others are referenced in the story) counts as a "hate crime" proving how the president is literally a Nazi.

    Don't mind me, I'm just trying to raise awareness.

    Replies: @Coemgen

  64. @Cortes
    As you pointed out recently, a former British intelligence officer and mediocre sailor had a great career as Patrick O’Brian.

    And the choice of O’Malley was inspired since I believe that the MacLysaght tome on Irish Surnames describes the O’Malleys as “the Irish of the Irish.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_MacLysaght

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    Patrick O’Brien’s literary career was greatly aided by his talent as a novelist/historian and his wife’s talent as an editor…

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @pyrrhus

    And - not unlike Defoe, Wheatley, Wyndham, Le Carre... - not unduly hindered by the background in the “security” services. What’s a tame review worth?

    Replies: @pyrrhus

  65. @JohnnyWalker123
    In other Irish-related news, it's pretty interesting that someone murdered Whitey Bulger.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXL99hMa48Y

    It's interesting how tough sounding a lot of these ethnic types (especially in Boston and NYC) are in comparison to the average suburban person. I wonder how much vocal intonation reflects our inner personalities.

    By the way, lots of Italians in South Boston.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0p2L0CNzdM

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “In other Irish-related news, it’s pretty interesting that someone murdered Whitey Bulger.”

    I’ll bet Mueller is breathing easier. Who had him transferred anyway?

  66. @El Dato

    I suggest he change his name to “Clancy X. MacFitzgerald.”
     
    That sounds like a member of the Bureau of Sabotage

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Middle Initial “X,” for “Xavier,” as in “St. Francis Xavier,” goes better with given name “Francis.” An Irish favorite; however, there was also Massachusetts pol Francis X. Belotti.

  67. @TheJester
    We just returned from a bus tour of southwest Ireland. My grandfather's name was Edward Ross ... from somewhere in Ireland at God knows when.

    On the tour, we saw "Ross Lake" and "Ross Castle". I mentioned to the tour guide that my grandfather was a "Ross". OUCH! He looked at me and said, "And YOU are a ROSS? ... YOU ARE A ROSS!"

    I later learned why I had suffered his displeasure. "Ross" was the surname of one of those faux aristocrats brought in to rule the Irish by whatever recent group of Scots or English had conquered the place.

    And here I thought I was Irish. Come on! I had blond hair, green eyes, and (according to 23&Me) 5% Neanderthal and no sub-Saharan genes.

    I suggest that NO ONE in Chicago should use the name "Ross" to fake an Irish heritage to win an election.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    The Kennedys were from new Ross.

  68. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @Anonymous
    @Mike Tre

    Mexicans in America may not drink American Coke, but they guzzle American beer with aplomb. Mexican beers in America are primarily bought by trendy Americans (though most are actually good, being brew by German or Czech descended and trained brewmeisters).

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    It’s true they like their Bud Light, but in my experience Corona, XX, and Tecate are big favorites among Chicago area mestizos.

    And I have literal “on the ground” experience for the basis of my anecdotes.

    And Corona is terrible beer.

  69. @Cortes
    Plastic Paddy?

    “Gorgeous George” Galloway, ?ethnic Irish? the epitome of the gift of the gab - check out his debate with Hitchens - at the US Senate (the couple of minutes around the ten minute mark are especially entertaining):

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TRbMQ4t2Nfo

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Galloway is a Scottish county; Galway is an Irish county.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Hibernian

    Galloway isn’t a county.

    Try watching George vs the hapless Norm Coleman. Like the sign says above the door of the saloon where Laurel and Hardy dance in “Way Out West” it’s...

    High Class Entertainment.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  70. @Cortes
    @Anonymous

    No rhymes?

    Replies: @Jake Barnes, @the one they call Desanex

    It sort of rhymes in Boston

  71. @Aidan Kehoe
    @theo the kraut

    Theo, it always was a consistent thing in the US that the Irish tended to vote along ethnic lines, where the Germans tended to worry about superficial stuff like ideas or electoral promises. The only thing that ever unified German voters over there was rolling back prohibition. I thoroughly recommend EA Ross, ‘The Old World in the New’:


    ‘As voters, the Germans have shown little clannishness. Their partizanship has not been bigoted, and by their insistence on independent voting they have perplexed and disgusted the politicians. […] No immigrants have been more apt to look at public questions from a common-welfare point of view and to vote for their principles rather than for their friends. If by “political aptitude” is meant the skill to use politics for private advantage, then in this capacity the German must be ranked low among our foreign-born.’
     
    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation, though it clearly makes for a superior monoethnic nation. There’s actually an awful lot to be learned from the New World of 1800–1950 (in large part the US, but also Argentina, Canada, Brazil) in what to expect from the EU in the next few decades. If politicians of Irish background end up promising a moonshot which was then implemented, mostly by Germans, well, at least the species will have a second moonshot! :)

    Replies: @Hibernian, @TelfoedJohn, @Flip

    German Americans have trended Republican since the Civil War and especially after WWI.

    • Replies: @prosa123
    @Hibernian

    German-American identity is barely meaningful today as there's been little German immigration in generations. I suspect that the typical person who identifies as German-American is someone who is a hodgepodge of ethnic groups, but whose great-great-great-grandfather on the paternal line was a German immigrant named Schmidt and therefore is surnamed Schmidt.

    Replies: @Hibernian

  72. @Aidan Kehoe
    @theo the kraut

    Theo, it always was a consistent thing in the US that the Irish tended to vote along ethnic lines, where the Germans tended to worry about superficial stuff like ideas or electoral promises. The only thing that ever unified German voters over there was rolling back prohibition. I thoroughly recommend EA Ross, ‘The Old World in the New’:


    ‘As voters, the Germans have shown little clannishness. Their partizanship has not been bigoted, and by their insistence on independent voting they have perplexed and disgusted the politicians. […] No immigrants have been more apt to look at public questions from a common-welfare point of view and to vote for their principles rather than for their friends. If by “political aptitude” is meant the skill to use politics for private advantage, then in this capacity the German must be ranked low among our foreign-born.’
     
    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation, though it clearly makes for a superior monoethnic nation. There’s actually an awful lot to be learned from the New World of 1800–1950 (in large part the US, but also Argentina, Canada, Brazil) in what to expect from the EU in the next few decades. If politicians of Irish background end up promising a moonshot which was then implemented, mostly by Germans, well, at least the species will have a second moonshot! :)

    Replies: @Hibernian, @TelfoedJohn, @Flip

    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation,

    The ‘least effective’ group must be the Scandinavians of Minnesota, where perhaps 80% of recent senators have been Jewish, who are about 1% of the state.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_from_Minnesota

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @TelfoedJohn

    They just elected a Somali, ignoring the Derb's One True Adminition about immigration, no matter what else about which reasonable persons may disagree: "No Somalis!"

    The Scandinavian people are far and away the most suicidal race on the face of the Earth. Has anyone investigated why?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  73. @Anonymous
    https://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Why-The-Irish-Are-Our-Overlords-141446393.html

    There’s no doubt that being Irish is a political asset. Nowhere is it an asset more than Illinois, where non-Irish judicial candidates have adopted Gaelic names in order to sway voters who have nothing else to guide their decisions. But why, exactly, are the Irish so lucky in politics?

    For one thing, they had a one-generation head start on all the other immigrant groups, because they arrived here speaking English. They also had fewer enemies among the other ethnic groups. As the saying went, “A Lithuanian won’t vote for a Pole, and a Pole won’t vote for a Lithuanian. A German won’t vote for either of them. But all three will vote for a ‘turkey’ -- an Irishman.” Only the English hated the Irish -- and the English all lived in the suburbs.

    In 1990, The New York Times noted that

    ... an Irish name, and sometimes two, will appear on the ballot next to each of the following offices: Illinois governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general, treasurer, secretary of state, Cook County board president, sheriff, assessor and state’s attorney…Over the years, more than one candidate for judge here has legally changed names to sound Irish. And for good reason: Voters in the Democratic primary here in 1984, for example, ousted four party-endorsed incumbent judges in favor of relatively obscure lawyers named Tully, Shelly, Kelly and Flanagan.
     

    Replies: @Clyde, @AnotherDad

    The weird thing here is Chicago–while the Daley dynasty is well known–is not a very Irish-American city. It certainly isn’t Boston.

    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles–several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) And of course the area–not so much Chicago proper–has the strong Germanic “background” of the upper Midwest.

    And then the city … isn’t even white. Right now its just a bit less than 1/3 each white, black and Mexican–with the noise filling in the difference. (Which is why Illinois has become a reliable blue state disaster.)

    And yet people are voting for politicians because they are Irish? Weird.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%).
     
    A similar handicap didn't stop Bernardo O'Higgins.

    Polish Catholics were so frustrated by Irish dominance of the American church that they broke off and started their own. But it's as orthodox as Mom, and is in communion with Rome.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    "Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles–several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) "

    More likely more people of Polish ancestry in Chicago than in NYC. Outside of the relatively small Greenpoint district NYC has never had any significant (non-Jewish) Polish neighborhoods. Wallington, not far away in northern New Jersey is heavily Polish, though it's a small town, and a bit beyond the border of the NYC metro area there's long been a big Polish population in the city of New Britain, Connecticut.
    New Britain trivia: the center of the Polish area is very close to the main Puerto Rican area, yet the two groups have always gotten along quite well with more than a bit of intermarriage.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    , @Mike Zwick
    @AnotherDad

    Cook County is 7.9% Irish. The white population of Cook County is 10.3%.

    Replies: @Flip

  74. “Daniel Fitzgerald” is clearly lacking in sufficient Vitamin I for Cook County politics. I suggest he change his name to “Clancy X. MacFitzgerald.”

    The story is told of Ireland’s first same-sex wedding. Patrick Fitzgerald and Gerald Fitzpatrick.

  75. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    The weird thing here is Chicago--while the Daley dynasty is well known--is not a very Irish-American city. It certainly isn't Boston.

    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles--several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) And of course the area--not so much Chicago proper--has the strong Germanic "background" of the upper Midwest.

    And then the city ... isn't even white. Right now its just a bit less than 1/3 each white, black and Mexican--with the noise filling in the difference. (Which is why Illinois has become a reliable blue state disaster.)

    And yet people are voting for politicians because they are Irish? Weird.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @prosa123, @Mike Zwick

    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%).

    A similar handicap didn’t stop Bernardo O’Higgins.

    Polish Catholics were so frustrated by Irish dominance of the American church that they broke off and started their own. But it’s as orthodox as Mom, and is in communion with Rome.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Polish Catholics were so frustrated by Irish dominance of the American church that they broke off and started their own. But it’s as orthodox as Mom, and is in communion with Rome.
     
    Poles are neither Orthodox nor Eastern Rite Catholic, they take great pride in being specifically Roman Catholic. Although they do lean toward iconography that most of us would call "Orthodox-Style" such as the famous painting of "Our Lady of Częstochowa", a shrine to which is outside St. Louis.

    I knew some guys in high school who were busted for growing dope just outside the grotto area.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

  76. @Buffalo Joe
    @Detective Club

    Detective, Hopefully we have now run through all the political Kennedys.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    God save us more any more Kennedys–and Clintons, and Bushes.

    (There ought to be a law.)

  77. anonymous[662] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pericles
    In the same vein, we shall always remember Montague Francis Ashley-Montagu, aka Ashley Montagu, né Israel Ehrenberg.

    Replies: @Cortes, @anonymous

    It’s amazing how many Jews change their name. I understand the desire to avoid discrimination and all, but it seems this has gone on for a long time. There’s a total lack of desire to pass on the ‘family name’.

    All the Prime Ministers of Israel were born with different names than they had in office.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @anonymous

    And then there's lawyer Jimmy McGill, who changed his name to Saul Goodman because the homeboys want to be represented by “a pipe-hitting member of the Tribe.”

    Replies: @Cortes

  78. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I knew a lawyer named FitzGerald whose brother was elected a US Senator. He famously appointed another FitzGerald as federal prosecutor.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @rufus

    FitzGerald is definitely not a bog-Irish name.

    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Coemgen

    A professor of linguistics once told me FitzGerald is a Norman name, as in those French-speaking Vikings who conquered and occupied England, starting with their victory at the Battle of Hastings in 1066.

  79. So basically a man changed to his name to sound more white and less ethnic

    And yuh guys deny white privikege

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Tiny Duck

    Irish people aren't even white, bro.

    , @Coemgen
    @Tiny Duck

    For you to speak of "Irish privilege" shows how truly ignorant and insensitive you truly are.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Tiny Duck


    And yuh guys deny white privikege
     
    That sounds like a really, really bad college beer bash.
    , @Steve in Greensboro
    @Tiny Duck

    No punctuation, misspellings and muddle headedness. Our Tiny has been at the Olde English 800 early again today.

  80. @Brabantian
    Germany's Third Reich of 1933-45 was nearly led by a man receiving salutes of 'Heil, Schicklgruber!' ... The New York Times sez:

    Hitler's father, Alois, had been born out of wedlock to Maria Anna Schicklgruber. Eventually, the acknowledged father, Johann Georg Heidler, married Maria, but he never bothered to legitimise his son.

     

    And there is the 'other' popular story, that Maria Schicklgruber had been working as a maid in the house of Baron Rothschild, said by some to be Adolf Hitler's real grandfather ... ahem! ... the NY Times continues:

    In 1876, however, the brother of Johann Georg Heidler, then dead, took the necessary steps to legitimize Alois and legally change his name. Thus, records Alan Bullock, ''From the beginning of 1877, 12 years before Adolf was born, his father called himself Hitler, and his son was never known by any other name until his opponents dug up this long-forgotten village scandal and tried, without justification, to label him with his grandmother's name of Schicklgruber.'
     
    But Germany's Führer as 'Shicklgruber' was immortalised by the Three Stooges:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C89a6scW80I

    Replies: @flyingtiger, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Still one of the best satires on the Nazis. Only Jack Benny could do it better.

  81. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @AnotherDad


    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%).
     
    A similar handicap didn't stop Bernardo O'Higgins.

    Polish Catholics were so frustrated by Irish dominance of the American church that they broke off and started their own. But it's as orthodox as Mom, and is in communion with Rome.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Polish Catholics were so frustrated by Irish dominance of the American church that they broke off and started their own. But it’s as orthodox as Mom, and is in communion with Rome.

    Poles are neither Orthodox nor Eastern Rite Catholic, they take great pride in being specifically Roman Catholic. Although they do lean toward iconography that most of us would call “Orthodox-Style” such as the famous painting of “Our Lady of Częstochowa”, a shrine to which is outside St. Louis.

    I knew some guys in high school who were busted for growing dope just outside the grotto area.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Anonymous

    He meant orthodox in the popular meaning and not Orthodox as a term of art: RC as strictly as possible, Latin mass, and so on. This has been my experience as well.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    I was talking about the Polish National Catholic Church.

    http://www.pncc.org/

    Replies: @Anonymous

  82. @JohnnyWalker123
    Life aint easy for a boy named Sue.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4

    Life apparently is easy for a boy named "Shannon."

    By the way, would Johnny Cash's song be considered Transphobic these days? Or would it be considered progressive for the time? Should Trans people adopt this song as their anthem?

    Well my daddy left home when I was three
    And he didn't leave much to Ma and me
    Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze
    Now, I don't blame him 'cause he run and hid
    But the meanest thing that he ever did
    Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue
     
    "

    Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
    And he went down, but to my surprise
    He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear
    But I busted a chair right across his teeth
    And we crashed through the wall and into the street
    Kicking and a' gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer
    I tell ya, I've fought tougher men
    But I really can't remember when
    He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile
    I heard him laugh and then I heard him cuss
    He went for his gun and I pulled mine first
    He stood there lookin' at me and I saw him smile
     

    And he said, "Son, this world is rough
    And if a man's gonna make it, he's gotta be tough
    And I know I wouldn't be there to help ya along
    So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
    I knew you'd have to get tough or die
    And it's the name that helped to make you strong"
    Yeah he said, "Now you just fought one hell of a fight
    And I know you hate me, and you got the right
    To kill me now, and I wouldn't blame you if you do
    But ya ought to thank me, before I die
    For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
    'Cause I'm the son-of-a-bitch that named you "Sue"
    Yeah what could I do, what could I do
    I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
    Called him my Pa, and he called me his son
    And I come away with a different point of view
    And I think about him, now and then
    Every time I try and every time I win
    And if I ever have a son, I think I'm gonna name him
    Bill or George! Anything but Sue! I still hate that name! Yeah
     

    Replies: @Clyde, @Tim

    AWESOME post. . . but it’s not “every time I win.” It’s every time I “when”.

  83. @Hibernian
    @Aidan Kehoe

    German Americans have trended Republican since the Civil War and especially after WWI.

    Replies: @prosa123

    German-American identity is barely meaningful today as there’s been little German immigration in generations. I suspect that the typical person who identifies as German-American is someone who is a hodgepodge of ethnic groups, but whose great-great-great-grandfather on the paternal line was a German immigrant named Schmidt and therefore is surnamed Schmidt.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @prosa123

    Largely but not entirely true. And the paternal line often has a lot of influence. I grew up in a heavily German American town and have half German half Irish cousins.

  84. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Polish Catholics were so frustrated by Irish dominance of the American church that they broke off and started their own. But it’s as orthodox as Mom, and is in communion with Rome.
     
    Poles are neither Orthodox nor Eastern Rite Catholic, they take great pride in being specifically Roman Catholic. Although they do lean toward iconography that most of us would call "Orthodox-Style" such as the famous painting of "Our Lady of Częstochowa", a shrine to which is outside St. Louis.

    I knew some guys in high school who were busted for growing dope just outside the grotto area.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    He meant orthodox in the popular meaning and not Orthodox as a term of art: RC as strictly as possible, Latin mass, and so on. This has been my experience as well.

  85. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    The weird thing here is Chicago--while the Daley dynasty is well known--is not a very Irish-American city. It certainly isn't Boston.

    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles--several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) And of course the area--not so much Chicago proper--has the strong Germanic "background" of the upper Midwest.

    And then the city ... isn't even white. Right now its just a bit less than 1/3 each white, black and Mexican--with the noise filling in the difference. (Which is why Illinois has become a reliable blue state disaster.)

    And yet people are voting for politicians because they are Irish? Weird.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @prosa123, @Mike Zwick

    “Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles–several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) ”

    More likely more people of Polish ancestry in Chicago than in NYC. Outside of the relatively small Greenpoint district NYC has never had any significant (non-Jewish) Polish neighborhoods. Wallington, not far away in northern New Jersey is heavily Polish, though it’s a small town, and a bit beyond the border of the NYC metro area there’s long been a big Polish population in the city of New Britain, Connecticut.
    New Britain trivia: the center of the Polish area is very close to the main Puerto Rican area, yet the two groups have always gotten along quite well with more than a bit of intermarriage.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @prosa123

    Interestingly, considering that the (non-Jewish) Polish-Americans constitute
    only 0.3% of the total population, they appear to be overrepresented in Congress.

    Just off the top of my head,

    Senate: Lisa Murkowski (R-AK). There was also Sen. Barbara Mikulski, but
    she retired in 2017. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is a Catholic and has
    a Polish maiden name (Rutnik) so that's another possibility.

    House of Representatives:

    1. Jackie Walorski (R-IN)
    2. Dan Lipinski (D-IL)
    3. Elise Stefanik (R-NY)
    4. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
    5. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ) was just elected to Congress. He was
    actually born in Poland.

    Bob Stefanowski came close to winning the race for governor of Connecticut,
    and may run again. And, according to the talk show host Bill Cunningham,
    Corey Lewandowski still talks to Trump at least once a week.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Anon 2

  86. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @Tiny Duck
    So basically a man changed to his name to sound more white and less ethnic

    And yuh guys deny white privikege

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Coemgen, @Reg Cæsar, @Steve in Greensboro

    Irish people aren’t even white, bro.

    • LOL: Hibernian
  87. @Aidan Kehoe
    @theo the kraut

    Theo, it always was a consistent thing in the US that the Irish tended to vote along ethnic lines, where the Germans tended to worry about superficial stuff like ideas or electoral promises. The only thing that ever unified German voters over there was rolling back prohibition. I thoroughly recommend EA Ross, ‘The Old World in the New’:


    ‘As voters, the Germans have shown little clannishness. Their partizanship has not been bigoted, and by their insistence on independent voting they have perplexed and disgusted the politicians. […] No immigrants have been more apt to look at public questions from a common-welfare point of view and to vote for their principles rather than for their friends. If by “political aptitude” is meant the skill to use politics for private advantage, then in this capacity the German must be ranked low among our foreign-born.’
     
    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation, though it clearly makes for a superior monoethnic nation. There’s actually an awful lot to be learned from the New World of 1800–1950 (in large part the US, but also Argentina, Canada, Brazil) in what to expect from the EU in the next few decades. If politicians of Irish background end up promising a moonshot which was then implemented, mostly by Germans, well, at least the species will have a second moonshot! :)

    Replies: @Hibernian, @TelfoedJohn, @Flip

    Germans were split among Catholics, Lutherans, Reformed, Evangelicals (Prussian Union), and Jews. Additionally, two wars against your homeland will cause assimilation to accelerate.

  88. @pyrrhus
    @Cortes

    Patrick O'Brien's literary career was greatly aided by his talent as a novelist/historian and his wife's talent as an editor...

    Replies: @Cortes

    And – not unlike Defoe, Wheatley, Wyndham, Le Carre… – not unduly hindered by the background in the “security” services. What’s a tame review worth?

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    @Cortes

    Actually, I'm a huge fan of "Patrick O'Brien"...I think they're the best novels of the last 50 years, and they are centered in a fascinating era, the Age of Fighting Sail...He published his first novel, The Catalans, when he was 15, so it was never a secret that he could write.

    Replies: @Cortes

  89. @Hgh
    Why haven’t the Germans gained much relative political power in the US, despite their larger aggregate- emmigrant-to-the-US numbers than even the Irish? Eisenhower? And he even had an Anglicized last name -howser vs -hauser. Trump is a phenomena unto himself and is half Scot. Was it WW I and WW II? Are Germans too logical thinking to deal in politics?

    German-American politicians are hard to come by.

    Replies: @Flip, @Redneck farmer, @S. Anonyia

    I think German Americans don’t really see themselves as an ethnic group any more given all the assimilation and intermarriage. We are just generic white people at this point.

  90. @Hibernian
    @Cortes

    Galloway is a Scottish county; Galway is an Irish county.

    Replies: @Cortes

    Galloway isn’t a county.

    Try watching George vs the hapless Norm Coleman. Like the sign says above the door of the saloon where Laurel and Hardy dance in “Way Out West” it’s…

    High Class Entertainment.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Cortes

    Sorry, I misremembered from a map I once saw. It's a region comprising two historical counties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloway

  91. @Cortes
    @pyrrhus

    And - not unlike Defoe, Wheatley, Wyndham, Le Carre... - not unduly hindered by the background in the “security” services. What’s a tame review worth?

    Replies: @pyrrhus

    Actually, I’m a huge fan of “Patrick O’Brien”…I think they’re the best novels of the last 50 years, and they are centered in a fascinating era, the Age of Fighting Sail…He published his first novel, The Catalans, when he was 15, so it was never a secret that he could write.

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @pyrrhus

    Reality check time:

    Get your kid or nephews/nieces to work with their tablets (so much more unwieldly and awkward than a Corona or similar) , have them pound away for a couple of months and make me smile...

  92. I do make it a general principle that I don’t vote for people who have changed their names…

  93. @JohnnyWalker123
    @Daniel H

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccco4ASA1EI

    Archie Bunker on Jews.

    You couldn't make a show like that now.

    Replies: @Trevor H.

    Decades later Sarah Silverman is trafficking in the same material: Don’t be anti-jewish, goys, or we will inflict negroes upon you.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1087347/quotes

    And still, it’s the goys who are racist.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Trevor H.

    She showed her real fear, years ago. It is sickening that the age-old jewey thing is "buying people off" but, when Sarah Silverman basically said it, well, duh. It's not like she shows well in SD.

  94. @Tiny Duck
    So basically a man changed to his name to sound more white and less ethnic

    And yuh guys deny white privikege

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Coemgen, @Reg Cæsar, @Steve in Greensboro

    For you to speak of “Irish privilege” shows how truly ignorant and insensitive you truly are.

  95. @Tiny Duck
    So basically a man changed to his name to sound more white and less ethnic

    And yuh guys deny white privikege

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Coemgen, @Reg Cæsar, @Steve in Greensboro

    And yuh guys deny white privikege

    That sounds like a really, really bad college beer bash.

  96. @J.Ross
    Separated by death and fed only by a fistful of bumps, the Ford brothers of Ontairio fight valiantly for a sane Canada one snort at a time.
    https://twitter.com/Travisdhanraj/status/1063964935435169792
    Mr Dhanraj is a Canadian journaist and the resolution (which passed) rejects PC gender nonsense as unscientific. This follows a claim in the UK that mentally challenged children are being manipulated into requesting hormone blockers.

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon, @Redneck farmer

    I suspect this is the UK claim you mention:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6401593/Whistleblower-teacher-makes-shocking-claim-autistic.html
    Watch the video there. It is shocking. Adults are standing and giving their approval as a child is being sexually mutilated.

    Rod Dreher picks up on this:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/transgender-totalitarianism/
    and adds more, including the fact that there seems to be an active purge right of “trans-critical” feminists online. Actually he just reports that gendertrender.wordpress.com has just been deleted, after it reported details of the guy suing 16 women in Canada for refusing to wax his genitals. Apparently some fan has pulled the content from archive.org and reposted the whole site at http://gendertrender.co/. The article on the Canada guy is insane. Scroll down also to read the article on the Credit Suisse guy.
    Apparently wordpress has also deleted genderidentitywatch.com.

    Both of these sites had tons of actual information and I think attracted many readers and comments from people who have been directly harmed by transgenderism, most of them no doubt people who do not read sites like this.

    It seems wordpress surreptitiously changed their terms of service several days ago for the precise purpose of deleting these sites. This is according to person behind GenderTrender:
    https://dgrnewsservice.org/civilization/patriarchy/gender/wordpress-censors-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

    Twitter may be involved too, as this guy seems to be keeping a running log of feminists purged for “anti-trans” comments:

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @SporadicMyrmidon

    I avoided posting about Murphy but that's been happening for a few days now, "feminist censorship advocate censored by folks more sex-obsessed than her."
    Similarly, Gavin McInnes's black-friendly, Zionist, definitely-not-Nazi "Proud Boys" have been labeled an extremist group by the same FBI that can find no reason to say anything bad about Antifa.
    Hopefully people take the hint.

  97. @Clyde
    @Tyrion 2

    Yours... a few rungs above the doggerel attempted here.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex

    Are you kidding?

  98. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar


    Polish Catholics were so frustrated by Irish dominance of the American church that they broke off and started their own. But it’s as orthodox as Mom, and is in communion with Rome.
     
    Poles are neither Orthodox nor Eastern Rite Catholic, they take great pride in being specifically Roman Catholic. Although they do lean toward iconography that most of us would call "Orthodox-Style" such as the famous painting of "Our Lady of Częstochowa", a shrine to which is outside St. Louis.

    I knew some guys in high school who were busted for growing dope just outside the grotto area.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Reg Cæsar

    I was talking about the Polish National Catholic Church.

    http://www.pncc.org/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    As a kid I used to read the Yellow Pages in Chicago, on visits, and marvel at the sheer number of different churches there were. (There were not nearly as many in any other town that I knew of) I remember reading that there were one or two "Polish National Catholic Churches" but despite my mother's side of the family being all Polish, they had no idea what that was. Most of them went to St. Francis de Sales, St. Florian's or the almost-a-cathedral St. Michaels in the Bush.

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an "Old Catholic" affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, unlike the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, whose raison d'etre seems to be Orthodox style worship and overall look but being in communion with Rome. If someone more theologically trained than myself can comment, if you actually know this stuff formally, please comment.

    Jeff Duntemann, a IT and electronics hobby crank writer and SF author, is in an Old Catholic parish, and writes about Old Catholicism. There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man's claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    Generally though, most people involved with Catholicism want to be part of something that calls itself "The One True Church" with at least some claim to really being that: if you are not stuck up on that idea, you just join a mainline or fundangelical Protestant church, so these latter day reformationists have not got much traction at all. What I don't understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn't more popular than it is in the US, because they have cooler churches by far, the priests can marry and have regular lives, and they are still "In Communion with Rome", e.g, their sacraments are just as good at St. Peter's gate as the Roman ones.

    I mean, if the Pope says you're in, you're in, but Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, the Bishop of Canterbury, or those broads named Ellen have no keys so their say-so means nothing if you believe in that Petrine stuff in Matthew 16:19, er, right?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian, @prosa123, @Rapparee, @Reg Cæsar

  99. @anonymous
    @Pericles

    It's amazing how many Jews change their name. I understand the desire to avoid discrimination and all, but it seems this has gone on for a long time. There's a total lack of desire to pass on the 'family name'.

    All the Prime Ministers of Israel were born with different names than they had in office.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    And then there’s lawyer Jimmy McGill, who changed his name to Saul Goodman because the homeboys want to be represented by “a pipe-hitting member of the Tribe.”

    • Replies: @Cortes
    @Harry Baldwin

    And didn’t YHWH change to G-D for commercial reasons?

  100. Jesus, Steve…could you just give your respect…you know what Iam talikn about – why are you tryin’ to make me look like the bad guy…or anyone else???? I feel betrayed. I said I was done.

  101. I know you love your posters. However, I am a zero woman, posting on a screen. I do have good taste in music.

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Lagertha

    I just realized that Pathfinder and My Life As A Dog are not "available." I have it, so...whatever - you are invited for Thanksgiving dinner....but what????

    Shit ton of guilties.

  102. @Lagertha
    I know you love your posters. However, I am a zero woman, posting on a screen. I do have good taste in music.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    I just realized that Pathfinder and My Life As A Dog are not “available.” I have it, so…whatever – you are invited for Thanksgiving dinner….but what????

    Shit ton of guilties.

  103. @Trevor H.
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Decades later Sarah Silverman is trafficking in the same material: Don't be anti-jewish, goys, or we will inflict negroes upon you.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1087347/quotes

    And still, it's the goys who are racist.

    Replies: @Lagertha

    She showed her real fear, years ago. It is sickening that the age-old jewey thing is “buying people off” but, when Sarah Silverman basically said it, well, duh. It’s not like she shows well in SD.

  104. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous

    I was talking about the Polish National Catholic Church.

    http://www.pncc.org/

    Replies: @Anonymous

    As a kid I used to read the Yellow Pages in Chicago, on visits, and marvel at the sheer number of different churches there were. (There were not nearly as many in any other town that I knew of) I remember reading that there were one or two “Polish National Catholic Churches” but despite my mother’s side of the family being all Polish, they had no idea what that was. Most of them went to St. Francis de Sales, St. Florian’s or the almost-a-cathedral St. Michaels in the Bush.

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an “Old Catholic” affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, unlike the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, whose raison d’etre seems to be Orthodox style worship and overall look but being in communion with Rome. If someone more theologically trained than myself can comment, if you actually know this stuff formally, please comment.

    Jeff Duntemann, a IT and electronics hobby crank writer and SF author, is in an Old Catholic parish, and writes about Old Catholicism. There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man’s claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    Generally though, most people involved with Catholicism want to be part of something that calls itself “The One True Church” with at least some claim to really being that: if you are not stuck up on that idea, you just join a mainline or fundangelical Protestant church, so these latter day reformationists have not got much traction at all. What I don’t understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn’t more popular than it is in the US, because they have cooler churches by far, the priests can marry and have regular lives, and they are still “In Communion with Rome”, e.g, their sacraments are just as good at St. Peter’s gate as the Roman ones.

    I mean, if the Pope says you’re in, you’re in, but Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, the Bishop of Canterbury, or those broads named Ellen have no keys so their say-so means nothing if you believe in that Petrine stuff in Matthew 16:19, er, right?

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Did the "Old Catholics" break off in 1870 when the Pope had himself declared infallible?

    Replies: @Prester John

    , @Hibernian
    @Anonymous

    Try arguing Matthew 16:19 or anything pro-Catholic with a Fundamentalist.

    , @prosa123
    @Anonymous

    There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man’s claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    My favorite D.B. Cooper candidate is a university librarian and avid private pilot named Barbara Dayton (1926 - 2002), who had been born Bobby Dayton and in the late 1960's underwent one of the first transgender procedures. Years after the hijacking Dayton bragged to several people that she had temporarily reverted to her former male identity to carry out the crime, knowing that as a woman she'd never be a suspect. Dayton stopped this boasting after someone reminded her that the statute of limitations had not expired.

    The real Cooper must have familiar with aviation, had had at least some skydiving experience, and knew the geography of the Puget Sound region. Dayton qualified on each one of these. She had a known resentment of the commercial aviation industry due to her inability to get a job in the field and also had the sort of bold, risk-taking personality that the hijacker surely had. Lastly, there's some reason to believe that Dayton would have resembled the hijacker's description in a man's clothing and haircut.

    To be sure, there are a few issues that may weaken the case for Dayton. At 5'8' Dayton was four inches shorter than the lowest estimate of Cooper's height. However, no one took notice of Cooper while he was standing up, and estimating a seated person's height is difficult. The hijacker's use of the term "negotiable American currency" in the ransom note tends to suggest that he was not an American, more likely Canadian due to the lack of any accent, but that's far from definitive. Dan Cooper (the actual name the hijacker had used (the "D.B." was a journalist's error) was the name of an adventurous pilot in a French-language comic book series from Belgium. The comics had never been translated into English or sold in the United States, though they were sold in small numbers in the French-speaking parts of Canada. It's highly unlikely that Dayton would have ever heard of these comics. Still, the use of the name could just be coincidence.

    , @Rapparee
    @Anonymous


    What I don’t understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn't more popular than it is in the US...
     
    Immigrants from Latin rite countries were just massively more numerous in American history. I've been led to understand that the Easterners lose a lot of kids in the US to the Latin rite through intermarriage and assimilation- "Bridget loves Bogdan". I've been to an Eastern Rite service exactly once in my life, though, so don't take me for an expert.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an “Old Catholic” affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church...
     
    They may not be in full communion, but theirs is one of the few churches listed in the back of our seasonal hymnbook whose members are eligible to take communion in an RC church. As long as they obey their own church's practice as well.
  105. anon[292] • Disclaimer says:

    Democrats: No Irish Need Apply.

    What will this guy change his name to now that Cortez has announced the revolution?

    Ocasio-Cortez Endorses Effort To Primary Members Of Her Own Party In 2020

    “The group said they want Democratic members of Congress to be representative of their diverse communities and support liberal policies like Medicare for all, abolishing the Immigration and Customs Enforcement department, implementing a “Green New Deal,”* and rejecting corporate PAC donations. On the campaign trail, Ocasio-Cortez talked about forming a “corporate-free caucus” as a means to push for reform.** That type of group, if it forms, could turn out to be the left’s counterpart to the Freedom Caucus, which pushed Republican leadership to the right.

    The group has invited members to nominate candidates and districts to target in the next election cycle, prioritizing women and diversity.”***

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/17/ocasio-cortez-endorses-primary-democrats/

    *Green New Deal = unworkable, economy killing 100% renewable nonsense (which is exactly what she protested outside of Nancy Pelosi’s office for). Many of these types also oppose nuclear energy, so we are talking about spending trillions on Chinese solar panels and putting the people of West Virginia in the poor house. Gee, wouldn’t reducing immigration go a long way towards lowering the country’s carbon footprint without also bankrupting the country? But who then would mow the Ruling Class’s lawns and take care of their kids on the cheap? Yeah, Climate Change is important, and apparently something these people think even will end the world, but it’s not THAT important.

    **Wasn’t this kind of rhetoric against Venezuela’s oil company common before Chavez came to power? Just say’n. All it took for Venezuela to collapse into despotism was one Chavez + a mass of stupid voters at the bottom. Maybe all it would take in an empire with mounting instabilities is one Cortez…and Americans are getting “stupider” all the time.

    ***Ironically, this is what I advocated stupid right wingers and MAGA types do themselves; in other words, target safe districts and/or otherwise uncontested positions (even at the state and local level) for primarying, thus establishing a broad base of power to push for reform. However, traditional conservatives and internet dissidents aren’t that smart or well organized, apparently to the degree that someone like Cortez can out-think them.

  106. “It seems wordpress surreptitiously changed their terms of service several days ago for the precise purpose of deleting these sites.”

    Uh, why aren’t Red States working on public alternatives to these sites? Seems logical.

  107. @J.Ross
    HATE HOAX
    Somebody put a Nazi sticker on a New York subway and -- wait, what? This is a news story? Have they caught all the homeless guys who masturbate right in front of female passengers? Anyway, King Solomon here didn't figure that subways have cameras now, and pictures of his big Nazi shnozz are all over New York now. He's probably verklempt.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-metro-straphanger-caught-swastika-sticker-20181118-story.html

    Replies: @Trevor H.

    And each and every one of these (others are referenced in the story) counts as a “hate crime” proving how the president is literally a Nazi.

    Don’t mind me, I’m just trying to raise awareness.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Trevor H.


    And each and every one of these (others are referenced in the story) counts as a “hate crime” proving how the president is literally a Nazi.
     
    President Trump is more a social Nationalist.

    That is, in a room full of extroverts he's the extrovert.

    Also, he calls himself a Nationalist.

    "literally" a Zina.
  108. @pyrrhus
    @Cortes

    Actually, I'm a huge fan of "Patrick O'Brien"...I think they're the best novels of the last 50 years, and they are centered in a fascinating era, the Age of Fighting Sail...He published his first novel, The Catalans, when he was 15, so it was never a secret that he could write.

    Replies: @Cortes

    Reality check time:

    Get your kid or nephews/nieces to work with their tablets (so much more unwieldly and awkward than a Corona or similar) , have them pound away for a couple of months and make me smile…

  109. @Harry Baldwin
    @anonymous

    And then there's lawyer Jimmy McGill, who changed his name to Saul Goodman because the homeboys want to be represented by “a pipe-hitting member of the Tribe.”

    Replies: @Cortes

    And didn’t YHWH change to G-D for commercial reasons?

    • LOL: Redneck farmer
  110. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Then there is the case of ethnic misidentify:

    Voting patterns here [Philsdelphia] have been as ethnic as racial, Mr. Voigt said, recalling an election in which Judge William M. Marutani of Common Pleas Court won a heavy vote in Italian-American wards of South Philadelphia. Judge Marutani’s ethnic heritage is Japanese. https://nyti.ms/2zg94td

    The Honorable William M. Marutani served as a judge of the Court of Common Pleas of Philadelphia County from 1975 to 1986. When appointed to the bench in 1975, Judge Marutani became the first Asian American outside of the Pacific Coast states to preside as a judge of a court of general jurisdiction. Judge Marutani was later elected to a full ten-year term in 1977. During his tenure, he issued the decision requiring all-boys Central High School to admit female students in 1983.

    In 1942, Judge Marutani, a second-generation Japanese American, served six months in an American internment camp following the Pearl Harbor attack. Later during the war, he served in the U.S. Military Intelligence Service (MIS).

    As an attorney, Judge Marutani participated in the civil rights drives in the South and helped organize the 1963 March on Washington for the Japanese American Citizens League (JACL). From 1960 to 1970, he served as national legal counsel to the JACL, during which time he also served as a volunteer civil rights lawyer in cases involving the desegregation of schools and the promotion of voter registration drives in Mississippi. In 1967, Judge Marutani appeared on behalf of the JACL as an amicus before the U.S. Supreme Court to present oral argument in Loving v. Virginia, the seminal case that struck down anti-miscegenation laws in 17 states.

    Up until his death in November 2004, Judge Marutani also served on numerous civic and charitable boards and commissions. Most notably, in 1981 he was appointed to the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians by President Jimmy Carter. The Commission concluded that the internment of Japanese Americans was the unjust result of racism, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.

    • Replies: @Autochthon
    @anonymous

    A quibble: The sentence should read "as a private attorney" because being called to the bench does not end one's being a member of the bar (better still, "in private practice," since lawyer and attorney are not synonyms; many spouses of deployed sailors or children of senile parents are attorneys, and the use of that term as a pompous stand-in for lawyer is an annoying, recent phenomenon).

    I suppose I should just accept the brats in the lawn of good English and get back to shuffleboard, it's all so hopeless.

  111. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    As a kid I used to read the Yellow Pages in Chicago, on visits, and marvel at the sheer number of different churches there were. (There were not nearly as many in any other town that I knew of) I remember reading that there were one or two "Polish National Catholic Churches" but despite my mother's side of the family being all Polish, they had no idea what that was. Most of them went to St. Francis de Sales, St. Florian's or the almost-a-cathedral St. Michaels in the Bush.

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an "Old Catholic" affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, unlike the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, whose raison d'etre seems to be Orthodox style worship and overall look but being in communion with Rome. If someone more theologically trained than myself can comment, if you actually know this stuff formally, please comment.

    Jeff Duntemann, a IT and electronics hobby crank writer and SF author, is in an Old Catholic parish, and writes about Old Catholicism. There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man's claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    Generally though, most people involved with Catholicism want to be part of something that calls itself "The One True Church" with at least some claim to really being that: if you are not stuck up on that idea, you just join a mainline or fundangelical Protestant church, so these latter day reformationists have not got much traction at all. What I don't understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn't more popular than it is in the US, because they have cooler churches by far, the priests can marry and have regular lives, and they are still "In Communion with Rome", e.g, their sacraments are just as good at St. Peter's gate as the Roman ones.

    I mean, if the Pope says you're in, you're in, but Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, the Bishop of Canterbury, or those broads named Ellen have no keys so their say-so means nothing if you believe in that Petrine stuff in Matthew 16:19, er, right?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian, @prosa123, @Rapparee, @Reg Cæsar

    Did the “Old Catholics” break off in 1870 when the Pope had himself declared infallible?

    • Replies: @Prester John
    @Steve Sailer

    Yes, they did.

  112. @J.Ross
    Separated by death and fed only by a fistful of bumps, the Ford brothers of Ontairio fight valiantly for a sane Canada one snort at a time.
    https://twitter.com/Travisdhanraj/status/1063964935435169792
    Mr Dhanraj is a Canadian journaist and the resolution (which passed) rejects PC gender nonsense as unscientific. This follows a claim in the UK that mentally challenged children are being manipulated into requesting hormone blockers.

    Replies: @SporadicMyrmidon, @Redneck farmer

    Dhanraj, wasn’t one of them was aide-de-camp of the French general who died defending Quebec when Wolfe took it?

  113. @Hgh
    Why haven’t the Germans gained much relative political power in the US, despite their larger aggregate- emmigrant-to-the-US numbers than even the Irish? Eisenhower? And he even had an Anglicized last name -howser vs -hauser. Trump is a phenomena unto himself and is half Scot. Was it WW I and WW II? Are Germans too logical thinking to deal in politics?

    German-American politicians are hard to come by.

    Replies: @Flip, @Redneck farmer, @S. Anonyia

    Too busy keeping the competent part of the country running.

  114. @prosa123
    @Hibernian

    German-American identity is barely meaningful today as there's been little German immigration in generations. I suspect that the typical person who identifies as German-American is someone who is a hodgepodge of ethnic groups, but whose great-great-great-grandfather on the paternal line was a German immigrant named Schmidt and therefore is surnamed Schmidt.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Largely but not entirely true. And the paternal line often has a lot of influence. I grew up in a heavily German American town and have half German half Irish cousins.

  115. @Cortes
    @Hibernian

    Galloway isn’t a county.

    Try watching George vs the hapless Norm Coleman. Like the sign says above the door of the saloon where Laurel and Hardy dance in “Way Out West” it’s...

    High Class Entertainment.

    Replies: @Hibernian

    Sorry, I misremembered from a map I once saw. It’s a region comprising two historical counties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloway

  116. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    As a kid I used to read the Yellow Pages in Chicago, on visits, and marvel at the sheer number of different churches there were. (There were not nearly as many in any other town that I knew of) I remember reading that there were one or two "Polish National Catholic Churches" but despite my mother's side of the family being all Polish, they had no idea what that was. Most of them went to St. Francis de Sales, St. Florian's or the almost-a-cathedral St. Michaels in the Bush.

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an "Old Catholic" affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, unlike the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, whose raison d'etre seems to be Orthodox style worship and overall look but being in communion with Rome. If someone more theologically trained than myself can comment, if you actually know this stuff formally, please comment.

    Jeff Duntemann, a IT and electronics hobby crank writer and SF author, is in an Old Catholic parish, and writes about Old Catholicism. There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man's claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    Generally though, most people involved with Catholicism want to be part of something that calls itself "The One True Church" with at least some claim to really being that: if you are not stuck up on that idea, you just join a mainline or fundangelical Protestant church, so these latter day reformationists have not got much traction at all. What I don't understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn't more popular than it is in the US, because they have cooler churches by far, the priests can marry and have regular lives, and they are still "In Communion with Rome", e.g, their sacraments are just as good at St. Peter's gate as the Roman ones.

    I mean, if the Pope says you're in, you're in, but Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, the Bishop of Canterbury, or those broads named Ellen have no keys so their say-so means nothing if you believe in that Petrine stuff in Matthew 16:19, er, right?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian, @prosa123, @Rapparee, @Reg Cæsar

    Try arguing Matthew 16:19 or anything pro-Catholic with a Fundamentalist.

  117. @theo the kraut
    The Irish come second, yet they seem to have more heft:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_County,_Illinois#Demographics
    "Sizeable non-Hispanic white populations are those of German (11.4%), Irish (10.3%), Polish (9.7%), Italian (6.1%), and British (4.1%) descent."

    Replies: @Aidan Kehoe, @Clifford Brown, @The Alarmist

    I wondered how a pollack could lose in Chicago.

  118. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    As a kid I used to read the Yellow Pages in Chicago, on visits, and marvel at the sheer number of different churches there were. (There were not nearly as many in any other town that I knew of) I remember reading that there were one or two "Polish National Catholic Churches" but despite my mother's side of the family being all Polish, they had no idea what that was. Most of them went to St. Francis de Sales, St. Florian's or the almost-a-cathedral St. Michaels in the Bush.

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an "Old Catholic" affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, unlike the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, whose raison d'etre seems to be Orthodox style worship and overall look but being in communion with Rome. If someone more theologically trained than myself can comment, if you actually know this stuff formally, please comment.

    Jeff Duntemann, a IT and electronics hobby crank writer and SF author, is in an Old Catholic parish, and writes about Old Catholicism. There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man's claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    Generally though, most people involved with Catholicism want to be part of something that calls itself "The One True Church" with at least some claim to really being that: if you are not stuck up on that idea, you just join a mainline or fundangelical Protestant church, so these latter day reformationists have not got much traction at all. What I don't understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn't more popular than it is in the US, because they have cooler churches by far, the priests can marry and have regular lives, and they are still "In Communion with Rome", e.g, their sacraments are just as good at St. Peter's gate as the Roman ones.

    I mean, if the Pope says you're in, you're in, but Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, the Bishop of Canterbury, or those broads named Ellen have no keys so their say-so means nothing if you believe in that Petrine stuff in Matthew 16:19, er, right?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian, @prosa123, @Rapparee, @Reg Cæsar

    There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man’s claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    My favorite D.B. Cooper candidate is a university librarian and avid private pilot named Barbara Dayton (1926 – 2002), who had been born Bobby Dayton and in the late 1960’s underwent one of the first transgender procedures. Years after the hijacking Dayton bragged to several people that she had temporarily reverted to her former male identity to carry out the crime, knowing that as a woman she’d never be a suspect. Dayton stopped this boasting after someone reminded her that the statute of limitations had not expired.

    The real Cooper must have familiar with aviation, had had at least some skydiving experience, and knew the geography of the Puget Sound region. Dayton qualified on each one of these. She had a known resentment of the commercial aviation industry due to her inability to get a job in the field and also had the sort of bold, risk-taking personality that the hijacker surely had. Lastly, there’s some reason to believe that Dayton would have resembled the hijacker’s description in a man’s clothing and haircut.

    To be sure, there are a few issues that may weaken the case for Dayton. At 5’8′ Dayton was four inches shorter than the lowest estimate of Cooper’s height. However, no one took notice of Cooper while he was standing up, and estimating a seated person’s height is difficult. The hijacker’s use of the term “negotiable American currency” in the ransom note tends to suggest that he was not an American, more likely Canadian due to the lack of any accent, but that’s far from definitive. Dan Cooper (the actual name the hijacker had used (the “D.B.” was a journalist’s error) was the name of an adventurous pilot in a French-language comic book series from Belgium. The comics had never been translated into English or sold in the United States, though they were sold in small numbers in the French-speaking parts of Canada. It’s highly unlikely that Dayton would have ever heard of these comics. Still, the use of the name could just be coincidence.

  119. @Cortes
    @Anonymous

    No rhymes?

    Replies: @Jake Barnes, @the one they call Desanex

    Virgin rhymes with virgin. All too well, in fact.

  120. @prosa123
    @AnotherDad

    "Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles–several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) "

    More likely more people of Polish ancestry in Chicago than in NYC. Outside of the relatively small Greenpoint district NYC has never had any significant (non-Jewish) Polish neighborhoods. Wallington, not far away in northern New Jersey is heavily Polish, though it's a small town, and a bit beyond the border of the NYC metro area there's long been a big Polish population in the city of New Britain, Connecticut.
    New Britain trivia: the center of the Polish area is very close to the main Puerto Rican area, yet the two groups have always gotten along quite well with more than a bit of intermarriage.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Interestingly, considering that the (non-Jewish) Polish-Americans constitute
    only 0.3% of the total population, they appear to be overrepresented in Congress.

    Just off the top of my head,

    Senate: Lisa Murkowski (R-AK). There was also Sen. Barbara Mikulski, but
    she retired in 2017. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is a Catholic and has
    a Polish maiden name (Rutnik) so that’s another possibility.

    House of Representatives:

    1. Jackie Walorski (R-IN)
    2. Dan Lipinski (D-IL)
    3. Elise Stefanik (R-NY)
    4. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
    5. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ) was just elected to Congress. He was
    actually born in Poland.

    Bob Stefanowski came close to winning the race for governor of Connecticut,
    and may run again. And, according to the talk show host Bill Cunningham,
    Corey Lewandowski still talks to Trump at least once a week.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Anon 2

    "...(non-Jewish) Polish-Americans constitute only 0.3% of the total population..."

    Remember that Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are populous industrial states. I think this statistic is way off.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    , @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    Here's a new expanded list of the Polish-Americans in the House of
    Representatives

    1. Jackie Walorski (R-IN)
    2. Dan Lipinski (D-IL) southwest Chicago etc
    3. Elise Stefanik (R-NY)
    4. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
    5. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ)
    6. Paul Tonko (D-NY)
    7. Todd Rokita (R-IN)

    Of course, this list could easily be doubled if we included
    everyone whose ancestors came from the geographical territory
    of Poland, like Sen. Bernie Sanders. Using this extended definition
    of "Polish-Americans," their congressional representation would
    be enormous, on a per capita basis perhaps approaching the Irish-American
    numbers.

  121. @Trevor H.
    @J.Ross

    And each and every one of these (others are referenced in the story) counts as a "hate crime" proving how the president is literally a Nazi.

    Don't mind me, I'm just trying to raise awareness.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    And each and every one of these (others are referenced in the story) counts as a “hate crime” proving how the president is literally a Nazi.

    President Trump is more a social Nationalist.

    That is, in a room full of extroverts he’s the extrovert.

    Also, he calls himself a Nationalist.

    “literally” a Zina.

  122. @Brabantian
    Germany's Third Reich of 1933-45 was nearly led by a man receiving salutes of 'Heil, Schicklgruber!' ... The New York Times sez:

    Hitler's father, Alois, had been born out of wedlock to Maria Anna Schicklgruber. Eventually, the acknowledged father, Johann Georg Heidler, married Maria, but he never bothered to legitimise his son.

     

    And there is the 'other' popular story, that Maria Schicklgruber had been working as a maid in the house of Baron Rothschild, said by some to be Adolf Hitler's real grandfather ... ahem! ... the NY Times continues:

    In 1876, however, the brother of Johann Georg Heidler, then dead, took the necessary steps to legitimize Alois and legally change his name. Thus, records Alan Bullock, ''From the beginning of 1877, 12 years before Adolf was born, his father called himself Hitler, and his son was never known by any other name until his opponents dug up this long-forgotten village scandal and tried, without justification, to label him with his grandmother's name of Schicklgruber.'
     
    But Germany's Führer as 'Shicklgruber' was immortalised by the Three Stooges:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C89a6scW80I

    Replies: @flyingtiger, @The Anti-Gnostic

    Yes. This has been well known since Shirer’s book.

    “Heil Schickelgruber!”

    “Heil Heidler!”

    “Heil Hitler” has an efficient phonetic punch.

  123. Steve might remember this: Back in the 1980s, the vote for governor and other offices in Illinois were, in the primaries, separate. Adlai Stevenson III received the most votes for governor in the Democratic primary. However, two candidates favored by the Dem establishment lost to followers of Lyndon LaRouche.

    Various reasons were given, such as low turnout due to bad weather, to Republicans mischievously voting in the Democratic primary.

    A major factor which was given, which I agree with, is that the voters went by last names. The Dem establishment candidates were Sangmeister and Puchinski. They lost to LaRouche candidates with Anglo-Saxon last names.

  124. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    As a kid I used to read the Yellow Pages in Chicago, on visits, and marvel at the sheer number of different churches there were. (There were not nearly as many in any other town that I knew of) I remember reading that there were one or two "Polish National Catholic Churches" but despite my mother's side of the family being all Polish, they had no idea what that was. Most of them went to St. Francis de Sales, St. Florian's or the almost-a-cathedral St. Michaels in the Bush.

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an "Old Catholic" affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, unlike the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, whose raison d'etre seems to be Orthodox style worship and overall look but being in communion with Rome. If someone more theologically trained than myself can comment, if you actually know this stuff formally, please comment.

    Jeff Duntemann, a IT and electronics hobby crank writer and SF author, is in an Old Catholic parish, and writes about Old Catholicism. There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man's claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    Generally though, most people involved with Catholicism want to be part of something that calls itself "The One True Church" with at least some claim to really being that: if you are not stuck up on that idea, you just join a mainline or fundangelical Protestant church, so these latter day reformationists have not got much traction at all. What I don't understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn't more popular than it is in the US, because they have cooler churches by far, the priests can marry and have regular lives, and they are still "In Communion with Rome", e.g, their sacraments are just as good at St. Peter's gate as the Roman ones.

    I mean, if the Pope says you're in, you're in, but Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, the Bishop of Canterbury, or those broads named Ellen have no keys so their say-so means nothing if you believe in that Petrine stuff in Matthew 16:19, er, right?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian, @prosa123, @Rapparee, @Reg Cæsar

    What I don’t understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn’t more popular than it is in the US…

    Immigrants from Latin rite countries were just massively more numerous in American history. I’ve been led to understand that the Easterners lose a lot of kids in the US to the Latin rite through intermarriage and assimilation- “Bridget loves Bogdan“. I’ve been to an Eastern Rite service exactly once in my life, though, so don’t take me for an expert.

  125. @Hgh
    Why haven’t the Germans gained much relative political power in the US, despite their larger aggregate- emmigrant-to-the-US numbers than even the Irish? Eisenhower? And he even had an Anglicized last name -howser vs -hauser. Trump is a phenomena unto himself and is half Scot. Was it WW I and WW II? Are Germans too logical thinking to deal in politics?

    German-American politicians are hard to come by.

    Replies: @Flip, @Redneck farmer, @S. Anonyia

    Because most Germans married descendants of other immigrants, and German-Irish, German-Italian, German-Polish, etc always call themselves Irish, Italian, Polish. Also because of anglicization most German surnames are not that distinctive, though there are a few exceptions.

  126. My favorite was a comedian who took a name redolent of the Scottish moors : George Burns (nee “Nathan Birnbaum”)

  127. @Anonymous
    Changing your whole name is a bit excessive, although I guess he's just following the lead of other prominent Dem. politicians (Tony Villar --> Antonio Villaraigosa, Warren Wilhelm --> Bill DeBlasio). The "classic" Cook County move was to just change your middle name to "Fitzgerald" e.g. Cook County judge John Fitzgerald Lyke

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/635440851662041088/kN3LnI_C_400x400.jpg

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Prester John

    Reading a review about that movie about Gary Hart reminded me that there was an issue over his correct surname, which was supposedly “Hartpence” (a name straight out of Dickens).

  128. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Did the "Old Catholics" break off in 1870 when the Pope had himself declared infallible?

    Replies: @Prester John

    Yes, they did.

  129. @The Z Blog
    Maybe if I change my name to Jonquarius Malenka I can become mayor of Baltimore.

    Replies: @Rohirrimborn

    President Trump’s sister is named Maryanne Barry. She could win the Washington DC mayoralty in a landslide if she wanted the job.

  130. @Coemgen
    @Steve Sailer

    FitzGerald is definitely not a bog-Irish name.

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind

    A professor of linguistics once told me FitzGerald is a Norman name, as in those French-speaking Vikings who conquered and occupied England, starting with their victory at the Battle of Hastings in 1066.

  131. @AnotherDad
    @Anonymous

    The weird thing here is Chicago--while the Daley dynasty is well known--is not a very Irish-American city. It certainly isn't Boston.

    Chicago has a slightly smaller Irish ancestry population percentage than the nation in large (which is around 10%). But it has a similar number of Poles--several times their percentage of the nation at large. (Probably as many Poles as NYC and way more than anywhere else, and roughly as Polish as any other big city in the US.) And of course the area--not so much Chicago proper--has the strong Germanic "background" of the upper Midwest.

    And then the city ... isn't even white. Right now its just a bit less than 1/3 each white, black and Mexican--with the noise filling in the difference. (Which is why Illinois has become a reliable blue state disaster.)

    And yet people are voting for politicians because they are Irish? Weird.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @prosa123, @Mike Zwick

    Cook County is 7.9% Irish. The white population of Cook County is 10.3%.

    • Replies: @Flip
    @Mike Zwick


    Cook County is 7.9% Irish. The white population of Cook County is 10.3%.

     

    Non-Hispanic whites are 43.9% of Cook County per Wikipedia.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

  132. Dan Cooper (the actual name the hijacker had used (the “D.B.” was a journalist’s error) was the name of an adventurous pilot in a French-language comic book series from Belgium.

    Would that be Betty’s grandpa?

  133. @Tiny Duck
    So basically a man changed to his name to sound more white and less ethnic

    And yuh guys deny white privikege

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Coemgen, @Reg Cæsar, @Steve in Greensboro

    No punctuation, misspellings and muddle headedness. Our Tiny has been at the Olde English 800 early again today.

  134. @TelfoedJohn
    @Aidan Kehoe


    The German approach is the less effective approach for a multiethnic nation,
     
    The ‘least effective’ group must be the Scandinavians of Minnesota, where perhaps 80% of recent senators have been Jewish, who are about 1% of the state.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senators_from_Minnesota

    Replies: @Autochthon

    They just elected a Somali, ignoring the Derb’s One True Adminition about immigration, no matter what else about which reasonable persons may disagree: “No Somalis!”

    The Scandinavian people are far and away the most suicidal race on the face of the Earth. Has anyone investigated why?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Autochthon

    That was the university's district. You never know who'll be elected in a college town.

    Still, Somalis are hardly worse than the many other minorities in her city. And Ilhan Omar will have to work pretty damned hard to wreak even a fraction of the damage Boulder's Patricia Schroeder did over the years. I predict she'll be a placeholder, and little more than window dressing.

    Also, if they're in office, they probably won't be having children in any hurry. So there's that.

  135. @Mike Zwick
    @AnotherDad

    Cook County is 7.9% Irish. The white population of Cook County is 10.3%.

    Replies: @Flip

    Cook County is 7.9% Irish. The white population of Cook County is 10.3%.

    Non-Hispanic whites are 43.9% of Cook County per Wikipedia.

    • Replies: @Mike Zwick
    @Flip

    I am sorry! I meant that the Irish make up 10.3% of Cook County's white population.

  136. Jorge Videla [AKA "black lesbian privilege"] says:

    black lesbians are still shutting me down.

    steve is a black lesbian on the inside.

  137. Poor Albert Klumpp might have a much better job, such as Cook County Recorder of Deeds, if only he weren’t named “Albert Klumpp,” which sounds like the fat kid in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

    Or Eddie Murphy in the Nutty Professor movies:

  138. @anonymous
    Then there is the case of ethnic misidentify:

    Voting patterns here [Philsdelphia] have been as ethnic as racial, Mr. Voigt said, recalling an election in which Judge William M. Marutani of Common Pleas Court won a heavy vote in Italian-American wards of South Philadelphia. Judge Marutani's ethnic heritage is Japanese. https://nyti.ms/2zg94td
     

    The Honorable William M. Marutani served as a judge of the Court of Common Pleas of Philadelphia County from 1975 to 1986. When appointed to the bench in 1975, Judge Marutani became the first Asian American outside of the Pacific Coast states to preside as a judge of a court of general jurisdiction. Judge Marutani was later elected to a full ten-year term in 1977. During his tenure, he issued the decision requiring all-boys Central High School to admit female students in 1983.

    In 1942, Judge Marutani, a second-generation Japanese American, served six months in an American internment camp following the Pearl Harbor attack. Later during the war, he served in the U.S. Military Intelligence Service (MIS).

    As an attorney, Judge Marutani participated in the civil rights drives in the South and helped organize the 1963 March on Washington for the Japanese American Citizens League (JACL). From 1960 to 1970, he served as national legal counsel to the JACL, during which time he also served as a volunteer civil rights lawyer in cases involving the desegregation of schools and the promotion of voter registration drives in Mississippi. In 1967, Judge Marutani appeared on behalf of the JACL as an amicus before the U.S. Supreme Court to present oral argument in Loving v. Virginia, the seminal case that struck down anti-miscegenation laws in 17 states.

    Up until his death in November 2004, Judge Marutani also served on numerous civic and charitable boards and commissions. Most notably, in 1981 he was appointed to the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians by President Jimmy Carter. The Commission concluded that the internment of Japanese Americans was the unjust result of racism, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership.
     

    Replies: @Autochthon

    A quibble: The sentence should read “as a private attorney” because being called to the bench does not end one’s being a member of the bar (better still, “in private practice,” since lawyer and attorney are not synonyms; many spouses of deployed sailors or children of senile parents are attorneys, and the use of that term as a pompous stand-in for lawyer is an annoying, recent phenomenon).

    I suppose I should just accept the brats in the lawn of good English and get back to shuffleboard, it’s all so hopeless.

  139. @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    As a kid I used to read the Yellow Pages in Chicago, on visits, and marvel at the sheer number of different churches there were. (There were not nearly as many in any other town that I knew of) I remember reading that there were one or two "Polish National Catholic Churches" but despite my mother's side of the family being all Polish, they had no idea what that was. Most of them went to St. Francis de Sales, St. Florian's or the almost-a-cathedral St. Michaels in the Bush.

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an "Old Catholic" affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, unlike the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, whose raison d'etre seems to be Orthodox style worship and overall look but being in communion with Rome. If someone more theologically trained than myself can comment, if you actually know this stuff formally, please comment.

    Jeff Duntemann, a IT and electronics hobby crank writer and SF author, is in an Old Catholic parish, and writes about Old Catholicism. There was also a claim that a man whose son claimed that he was the real D.B.Cooper (after he died) had gotten himself ordained in one of these Old Catholic denominations, whose ordination process was far less rigorous than the RCC proper. (I think the man's claim to his father being D.B. Cooper was finally ruled out.)

    Generally though, most people involved with Catholicism want to be part of something that calls itself "The One True Church" with at least some claim to really being that: if you are not stuck up on that idea, you just join a mainline or fundangelical Protestant church, so these latter day reformationists have not got much traction at all. What I don't understand is why Eastern Rite Catholicism isn't more popular than it is in the US, because they have cooler churches by far, the priests can marry and have regular lives, and they are still "In Communion with Rome", e.g, their sacraments are just as good at St. Peter's gate as the Roman ones.

    I mean, if the Pope says you're in, you're in, but Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, the Bishop of Canterbury, or those broads named Ellen have no keys so their say-so means nothing if you believe in that Petrine stuff in Matthew 16:19, er, right?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Hibernian, @prosa123, @Rapparee, @Reg Cæsar

    Looking at their website it looks like the PNCC is an “Old Catholic” affiliated organization, with a breakaway from the RCC at Utrecht, and therefore they are not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church…

    They may not be in full communion, but theirs is one of the few churches listed in the back of our seasonal hymnbook whose members are eligible to take communion in an RC church. As long as they obey their own church’s practice as well.

  140. @Autochthon
    @TelfoedJohn

    They just elected a Somali, ignoring the Derb's One True Adminition about immigration, no matter what else about which reasonable persons may disagree: "No Somalis!"

    The Scandinavian people are far and away the most suicidal race on the face of the Earth. Has anyone investigated why?

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    That was the university’s district. You never know who’ll be elected in a college town.

    Still, Somalis are hardly worse than the many other minorities in her city. And Ilhan Omar will have to work pretty damned hard to wreak even a fraction of the damage Boulder’s Patricia Schroeder did over the years. I predict she’ll be a placeholder, and little more than window dressing.

    Also, if they’re in office, they probably won’t be having children in any hurry. So there’s that.

  141. @SporadicMyrmidon
    @J.Ross

    I suspect this is the UK claim you mention:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6401593/Whistleblower-teacher-makes-shocking-claim-autistic.html
    Watch the video there. It is shocking. Adults are standing and giving their approval as a child is being sexually mutilated.

    Rod Dreher picks up on this:
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/transgender-totalitarianism/
    and adds more, including the fact that there seems to be an active purge right of "trans-critical" feminists online. Actually he just reports that gendertrender.wordpress.com has just been deleted, after it reported details of the guy suing 16 women in Canada for refusing to wax his genitals. Apparently some fan has pulled the content from archive.org and reposted the whole site at http://gendertrender.co/. The article on the Canada guy is insane. Scroll down also to read the article on the Credit Suisse guy.
    Apparently wordpress has also deleted genderidentitywatch.com.

    Both of these sites had tons of actual information and I think attracted many readers and comments from people who have been directly harmed by transgenderism, most of them no doubt people who do not read sites like this.

    It seems wordpress surreptitiously changed their terms of service several days ago for the precise purpose of deleting these sites. This is according to person behind GenderTrender:
    https://dgrnewsservice.org/civilization/patriarchy/gender/wordpress-censors-gendertrender-gallus-mag-responds/

    Twitter may be involved too, as this guy seems to be keeping a running log of feminists purged for "anti-trans" comments:
    https://twitter.com/SamBarber1910/status/1063250389791883264

    Replies: @J.Ross

    I avoided posting about Murphy but that’s been happening for a few days now, “feminist censorship advocate censored by folks more sex-obsessed than her.”
    Similarly, Gavin McInnes’s black-friendly, Zionist, definitely-not-Nazi “Proud Boys” have been labeled an extremist group by the same FBI that can find no reason to say anything bad about Antifa.
    Hopefully people take the hint.

  142. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe862
    @Cagey Beast

    Absolutely. I'm in a Chicago suburb and I have a ton of experience with the irish. They're easily a standard deviation worse people than average white people. They're corrupt, clannish, LAZY, lovers of bullshit, dishonest and stupid. They show a ton of preference for their fellow "irish". I had no opinion of the irish until I ended up working for a very irish Chicago based company in a Chicago suburb. I was in shock for years. Italian behavior is in the same family. The negative stereotypes are too kind. If you aren't in their group they'll give you every reason to despise them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian

    I have some, and sometimes considerable, respect for Irish people actually living in Ireland, and plenty of generic American whites have “Irish” last names but don’t make a big deal out of Irishness seem perfectly OK to me, but my experience with Irish-Americans who make a big deal about being Irish is that most of them are worthless twats. I gather people in Ireland would largely agree with that.

    • Replies: @Joe862
    @Anonymous

    There have to be less reprehensible irish somewhere. The ones we have here in Chicago and other big cities in the US are such worthless turds they'd never be able to exist on their own.

  143. @Joe862
    @Cagey Beast

    Absolutely. I'm in a Chicago suburb and I have a ton of experience with the irish. They're easily a standard deviation worse people than average white people. They're corrupt, clannish, LAZY, lovers of bullshit, dishonest and stupid. They show a ton of preference for their fellow "irish". I had no opinion of the irish until I ended up working for a very irish Chicago based company in a Chicago suburb. I was in shock for years. Italian behavior is in the same family. The negative stereotypes are too kind. If you aren't in their group they'll give you every reason to despise them.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Hibernian

    I’ll bet it was really enjoyable for your co-workers to work with you.

    • Replies: @Joe862
    @Hibernian

    LAZY, stupid ad hominem is the response I'd expect from someone disagreeing with me about this. Thanks for the support.

  144. @Anon 2
    @prosa123

    Interestingly, considering that the (non-Jewish) Polish-Americans constitute
    only 0.3% of the total population, they appear to be overrepresented in Congress.

    Just off the top of my head,

    Senate: Lisa Murkowski (R-AK). There was also Sen. Barbara Mikulski, but
    she retired in 2017. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is a Catholic and has
    a Polish maiden name (Rutnik) so that's another possibility.

    House of Representatives:

    1. Jackie Walorski (R-IN)
    2. Dan Lipinski (D-IL)
    3. Elise Stefanik (R-NY)
    4. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
    5. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ) was just elected to Congress. He was
    actually born in Poland.

    Bob Stefanowski came close to winning the race for governor of Connecticut,
    and may run again. And, according to the talk show host Bill Cunningham,
    Corey Lewandowski still talks to Trump at least once a week.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Anon 2

    “…(non-Jewish) Polish-Americans constitute only 0.3% of the total population…”

    Remember that Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are populous industrial states. I think this statistic is way off.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Hibernian

    Correction: It's a typo. It should be 3%, not o.3%, assuming that about
    10 million Americans have Polish ancestry. However, since so many
    americanized their names or changed them through marriage (like
    Martha Stewart), I'd surmise that perhaps only about a half or 1.5%
    of Americans have Polish-sounding names.

    Replies: @Simple Psuedonym

  145. @Hibernian
    @Anon 2

    "...(non-Jewish) Polish-Americans constitute only 0.3% of the total population..."

    Remember that Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are populous industrial states. I think this statistic is way off.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Correction: It’s a typo. It should be 3%, not o.3%, assuming that about
    10 million Americans have Polish ancestry. However, since so many
    americanized their names or changed them through marriage (like
    Martha Stewart), I’d surmise that perhaps only about a half or 1.5%
    of Americans have Polish-sounding names.

    • Replies: @Simple Psuedonym
    @Anon 2

    Barry O'Bama is from Bridgeport.

    Replies: @riches

  146. @Charles Pewitt
    John Kerry's real last name is Kohn. John Kerry appears to have no Irish ancestry at all.

    That bastard John Kerry has a big hankering for wealthy ketchup widows, though!

    Kohn as a surname in Massachusetts might not get the Leprechauns in a voting mood.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-kerry-was-kohn-1.5279459

    Replies: @Simple Psuedonym

    His Patrician demeanor is from the Forbes.

  147. @Anon 2
    @Hibernian

    Correction: It's a typo. It should be 3%, not o.3%, assuming that about
    10 million Americans have Polish ancestry. However, since so many
    americanized their names or changed them through marriage (like
    Martha Stewart), I'd surmise that perhaps only about a half or 1.5%
    of Americans have Polish-sounding names.

    Replies: @Simple Psuedonym

    Barry O’Bama is from Bridgeport.

    • Replies: @riches
    @Simple Psuedonym

    "O'Bama is from Bridgeport."

    If he were from Chicago's Bridgeport, he wouldn't have said "Cominskey" [sic].

  148. @Hibernian
    @Joe862

    I'll bet it was really enjoyable for your co-workers to work with you.

    Replies: @Joe862

    LAZY, stupid ad hominem is the response I’d expect from someone disagreeing with me about this. Thanks for the support.

  149. @Anon 2
    @prosa123

    Interestingly, considering that the (non-Jewish) Polish-Americans constitute
    only 0.3% of the total population, they appear to be overrepresented in Congress.

    Just off the top of my head,

    Senate: Lisa Murkowski (R-AK). There was also Sen. Barbara Mikulski, but
    she retired in 2017. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) is a Catholic and has
    a Polish maiden name (Rutnik) so that's another possibility.

    House of Representatives:

    1. Jackie Walorski (R-IN)
    2. Dan Lipinski (D-IL)
    3. Elise Stefanik (R-NY)
    4. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
    5. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ) was just elected to Congress. He was
    actually born in Poland.

    Bob Stefanowski came close to winning the race for governor of Connecticut,
    and may run again. And, according to the talk show host Bill Cunningham,
    Corey Lewandowski still talks to Trump at least once a week.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Anon 2

    Here’s a new expanded list of the Polish-Americans in the House of
    Representatives

    1. Jackie Walorski (R-IN)
    2. Dan Lipinski (D-IL) southwest Chicago etc
    3. Elise Stefanik (R-NY)
    4. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH)
    5. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ)
    6. Paul Tonko (D-NY)
    7. Todd Rokita (R-IN)

    Of course, this list could easily be doubled if we included
    everyone whose ancestors came from the geographical territory
    of Poland, like Sen. Bernie Sanders. Using this extended definition
    of “Polish-Americans,” their congressional representation would
    be enormous, on a per capita basis perhaps approaching the Irish-American
    numbers.

  150. @Simple Psuedonym
    @Anon 2

    Barry O'Bama is from Bridgeport.

    Replies: @riches

    “O’Bama is from Bridgeport.”

    If he were from Chicago’s Bridgeport, he wouldn’t have said “Cominskey” [sic].

  151. @Flip
    @Mike Zwick


    Cook County is 7.9% Irish. The white population of Cook County is 10.3%.

     

    Non-Hispanic whites are 43.9% of Cook County per Wikipedia.

    Replies: @Mike Zwick

    I am sorry! I meant that the Irish make up 10.3% of Cook County’s white population.

  152. @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    I knew a lawyer named FitzGerald whose brother was elected a US Senator. He famously appointed another FitzGerald as federal prosecutor.

    Replies: @Coemgen, @rufus

    Blagoevich Fitzgerald.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @rufus

    Did you hear about the first gay marriage in Ireland?

    Gerald Fitzpatrick married Patrick Fitzgerald.

  153. @Anonymous
    @Joe862

    I have some, and sometimes considerable, respect for Irish people actually living in Ireland, and plenty of generic American whites have "Irish" last names but don't make a big deal out of Irishness seem perfectly OK to me, but my experience with Irish-Americans who make a big deal about being Irish is that most of them are worthless twats. I gather people in Ireland would largely agree with that.

    Replies: @Joe862

    There have to be less reprehensible irish somewhere. The ones we have here in Chicago and other big cities in the US are such worthless turds they’d never be able to exist on their own.

  154. @rufus
    @Steve Sailer

    Blagoevich Fitzgerald.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Did you hear about the first gay marriage in Ireland?

    Gerald Fitzpatrick married Patrick Fitzgerald.

  155. Rather mild considering my handle. Also, I have Italian relatives. You know what that means.

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