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From the New York Times science section:

Ancient Dog DNA Shows Early Spread Around the Globe

Research on fossil canine genomes is expanding and producing some surprises about the lives of dogs and humans in prehistoric times.

By James Gorman
Oct. 29, 2020, 2:00 p.m. ET

… The new report in the journal Science pushes ancient DNA studies of dogs to a new level, but raises as many questions as it answers. Until Thursday, scientists had published the genomes of only six ancient dogs and wolves. Now an international team of researchers has sequenced and analyzed an additional 27 genomes of ancient dogs.

David Reich, at Harvard University, who specializes in using ancient human DNA to understand migrations and population change, said the new research, “for the first time brings ancient DNA analysis of dogs to the kind of sophistication that exists with studies of humans” and other animals.

By 11,000 years ago, dogs had already diverged into five different lineages and spread worldwide. It is widely accepted that dogs were domesticated at least 15,000 years ago. The new study suggests, but doesn’t prove, that domestication probably began around 20,000 years ago.

Dogs probably evolved from an extinct form of wolf, yet to be identified. …

Ancient dogs were much more diverse genetically than modern dogs. Four thousand years ago, European dogs had a wide genetic diversity that disappeared long before the Victorians started creating new breeds. All European dogs appear to have descended from one group of ancient European dogs, and the great modern diversity of dog shapes and sizes indicates an emphasis by breeders on certain very powerful genes.

Dogs are a continuation of a line of wolves, but since those wolves became dogs more than 15,000 years ago, no new wolf DNA has entered dog genomes. This puzzles researchers because humans crossbred dogs and wolves, but none of the wolf DNA survived in dogs at large. Modern wolves, however, do show the incorporation of some dog DNA.

The geographic spread of dogs sometimes mirrors and sometimes diverges from human migration, leaving unanswered the effects of dog-trading and why the genes of particular populations of dogs sometimes extended and other times did not. …

By contrast, pigs, for example, were brought to Europe by farmers from Anatolia. But the genes of those first domesticated pigs have been completely lost, replaced by the genes of wild European boars, even though the pigs stayed domesticated animals.

While dogs do interbreed, no new wolf genes survive over the years. One possibility, Dr. Larson said, is that “wolfiness” just doesn’t fit with an animal as close to people as a dog. Pigs can be a little wild but “if you’re a dog and you’ve got a little bit of wolf in you, that’s not a good thing and those things get knocked on the head very quickly or run away or disappear but they don’t get integrated into the dog population.” …

Also migrations from the steppes changed human genomes in Europe, but had almost no effect on dog genomes. Conversely, migrations from the steppes eastward left an imprint on dog genomic history, but not on humans.

In Africa, ancient dogs were descended from dogs from the Middle East. But that did not parallel any human migration. The Basenji breed still has the majority of its ancestry from these Middle Eastern dogs.

 
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  1. Documents reappear. LOL.

    By the way, Tucker’s interview with Gleen Greenwald (which concluded less than 1 hour ago) was pretty good.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @JohnnyWalker123

    https://babylonbee.com/news/ups-driver-who-lost-biden-documents-revealed-to-be-hillary-clinton

    , @Polistra
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Tucker & Co aren't as smart as I thought.

  2. @JohnnyWalker123
    Documents reappear. LOL.

    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1321608055549775872

    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1321975533786275847

    By the way, Tucker's interview with Gleen Greenwald (which concluded less than 1 hour ago) was pretty good.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Polistra

  3. Anon[153] • Disclaimer says:

    Lots of big news is coming out of genetics research in 2020.

    Among the biggest breaks is an October paper titled “Insights from ancient DNA analysis of Egyptian human mummies: clues to disease and kinship”. In this paper, it is confirmed from direct analysis that King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b — the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians. The fact had already been accidentally leaked 10 years ago but it is now officially published.


    ^ Forensic reconstruction of King Tut, looks British imo. Another win for the Anglo.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anon


    King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b — the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians.
     
    Presumably this isn't some freakish one-off, but indicates that all ancient Egyptian Pharaohs—and indeed, maybe all ancient Egyptians—were R1b-ish, or as we call it nowadays, white people.

    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent ... events.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    , @dearieme
    @Anon

    Looks more Irish to me. Which just proves that the Celts ... blah, blah, blah.

    , @Jake
    @Anon

    What do you mean by looks British? The peoples on the island of Britain at the time of King Tut, those who built Stonehenge, were pre-Celtic and so did not speak any Indo-European language. They were never close to eradicated, so their looks remained. The words 'Britain' and 'British' are Celtic, but I doubt that your usage means P-Celtic peoples living in the southern half of the island of Britain. They also were not exterminated, just driven into slavery and serfdom and poor freeman status

    The drawing indeed looks like an average Joe from across most of Europe. That is, before the Anglo-Zionist Empire-inspired Elites of Western Europe began electing new black/brown people. WASP culture as world hegemon has overseen, via direct examples from the UK and the USA, the Elites of all once white nations destroying and then beginning to replace their white middle and working classes.

    The same basic thing happened in Egypt, over a much longer period of time, which is the reason that today's Egyptian does not look like this picture. So perhaps Tut and his class were 'Anglo' in one very important sense: they hated and feared whites they ruled and acted to harm them, which meant they necessarily elevated non-whites.

    , @Pericles
    @Anon

    I've seen that guy down by the mini-mart.

    , @Ancient Briton
    @Anon

    Looks British - are the teeth a giveaway?

    , @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    As usual, Star Trek was in the vanguard ...

    http://posterposse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/USE-ilia-with-vger-1.jpg


  4. [MORE]

  5. By 11,000 years ago, dogs had already diverged into five different lineages

    But humans didn’t…?

  6. So African dogs, like African humans, don’t move much?

    • LOL: bruce county, Trinity
  7. Yeah , yeah , yeah . This disgusting .

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    @donut

    Fascinating video. Thanks.

    I'm no dog expert, but a couple of thoughts:

    I think the chihuahua is genetically similar to the Chinese crested dog, and came here on a boat, not a land bridge.

    Also, as a subjective matter, Chinese crested have won more ugliest dog in the world contests than any other breed:

    https://journaltimes.com/lifestyles/pets/meet-every-worlds-ugliest-dog-contest-winner-since-2002/collection_99cb31a7-51c9-5176-981f-6cc3bb399527.html#1

    Note that the Chinese crested is hairless, like the other pre-columbian dog, the Xoloitzcuintle, which is the mascot for the Tijuana soccer club, and a symbol of mexican pride and nationalism.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Tijuana

    When I went to Colima Mexico, I saw a few Xoloitzcuintle at people's homes. I bought a few souvenirs of the ceramic dogs you see in the video. Those ceramic dogs are pre-columbian Xoloitzcuintle, and the ceramic figurines you see were found in the Aztec kings' burial tombs. Prior to the seat of the Aztec empire being in present day Mexico City, the seat was in Colima, so when they buried the king, they put his favorite things in the tomb. The ceramic dogs you see are fattened up considerably, because they were meant for the king's consumption. Sort of like how kobe beef is pampered until the day of slaughter.

    , @conatus
    @donut

    So the 2% PCD genetic material in present day dogs is similar to the 2-3% Neanderthal in present day humans?

  8. Surely some of the genetics of dogs can be explained by the differing needs of their human partners. Hunters need hounds. Pastoralists need herding/working dogs. Different IQs and personalities.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Wade Hampton

    Pit bulls and drug dealers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  9. @Wade Hampton
    Surely some of the genetics of dogs can be explained by the differing needs of their human partners. Hunters need hounds. Pastoralists need herding/working dogs. Different IQs and personalities.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Pit bulls and drug dealers.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @International Jew



    Hunters need hounds. Pastoralists need herding/working dogs.
     
    Pit bulls and drug dealers.

     

    Socialites and accessories.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03377/DogsHilton_3377950b.jpg


    Many dogs have been found abandoned in the washrooms of coffee shops in upscale California neighbourhoods, and that can mean trouble, and sometimes the end, for the animals.

    https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/news/purse-puppies-pay-a-high-price/
     

  10. What’s with the writing in that article? It sounds like a drunk guy talking in a bar.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Peterike

    Definitely a dumb guy. He implies nobody bred different breeds until the British, starting in 1837

    Here's what is clearly a "toy" breed depicted 400 years before.

    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Van_Eyck_-_Arnolfini_Portrait.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

    Replies: @Jake

  11. @JohnnyWalker123
    Documents reappear. LOL.

    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1321608055549775872

    https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1321975533786275847

    By the way, Tucker's interview with Gleen Greenwald (which concluded less than 1 hour ago) was pretty good.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Polistra

    Tucker & Co aren’t as smart as I thought.

  12. Breeds are a social construct.

    • LOL: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Mike Zwick

    The only reason Pit Bulls commit a wildly disproportionate share of fatal dog attacks is due to systemic racism... Oh wait, systemic breedism. Everyone knows dogs are 99.9% identical at the DNA level!

  13. Interesting but not surprising. My read is that like horses, dog domestication was primarily a steppe innovation that spread out to the rest of the world from there, mostly matching human migration patterns. Modern breeds are mainly Euro-derived.

  14. @Anon
    Lots of big news is coming out of genetics research in 2020.

    Among the biggest breaks is an October paper titled "Insights from ancient DNA analysis of Egyptian human mummies: clues to disease and kinship". In this paper, it is confirmed from direct analysis that King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b -- the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians. The fact had already been accidentally leaked 10 years ago but it is now officially published.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/e5/e0/c9e5e061691c8a8d6d5d5207c9fdb5cb.jpg

    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2014/10/wx1080.jpg

    ^ Forensic reconstruction of King Tut, looks British imo. Another win for the Anglo.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @dearieme, @Jake, @Pericles, @Ancient Briton, @The Alarmist

    King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b — the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians.

    Presumably this isn’t some freakish one-off, but indicates that all ancient Egyptian Pharaohs—and indeed, maybe all ancient Egyptians—were R1b-ish, or as we call it nowadays, white people.

    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent … events.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent … events.

     

    They stopped impregnating their sisters? At least their genes survive in Appalachia.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Not Raul

    , @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Apparently not. All the other ancient samples from Egypt are E1b and J. It's looking like Egypt was just yet another classical civilization with a foreign R1 elite, at least in Ramses' time. Tut had mtDNA K.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @nokangaroos

  15. Who bred the Good Doggie Whites who fall into fits of ecstasy when petted on the head for betraying their own people?

    They show up at folk festivals a lot. Not sure what that’s about. Singing songs about White oppressors.

  16. Ya know, if black women focused less on their hair and more on being sweet, feminine, non-slutty, and not-fat, maybe all men, including black men, wouldn’t prefer non-black women so much.

    Ah, shucks, who I’m kidding? lol

    But maybe this cultural scolding cause some men into guilt-dating and guilt-marrying more black “queens” and shut them up for a few minutes. Like when they scold whites for not having black friends and then the SJWs rush to find some Obama-like black to be chums with.

    • Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @R.G. Camara

    Makes me think that some of the very gamma type white allies will want--more than anything--to marry morbidly obese black women. I don't know if morbidly obese black women refuse incel sex, or if that was white ugly women. I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said "Ugly Women Ready for Sex", so I didn't know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works. Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @R.G. Camara

  17. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon


    King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b — the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians.
     
    Presumably this isn't some freakish one-off, but indicates that all ancient Egyptian Pharaohs—and indeed, maybe all ancient Egyptians—were R1b-ish, or as we call it nowadays, white people.

    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent ... events.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent … events.

    They stopped impregnating their sisters? At least their genes survive in Appalachia.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Reg Cæsar

    And in Rhode Island, if memory serves.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Not Raul
    @Reg Cæsar

    Give Tut a banjo.

  18. @International Jew
    @Wade Hampton

    Pit bulls and drug dealers.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Hunters need hounds. Pastoralists need herding/working dogs.

    Pit bulls and drug dealers.

    Socialites and accessories.

    Many dogs have been found abandoned in the washrooms of coffee shops in upscale California neighbourhoods, and that can mean trouble, and sometimes the end, for the animals.

    https://www.langleyadvancetimes.com/news/purse-puppies-pay-a-high-price/

  19. @R.G. Camara
    Ya know, if black women focused less on their hair and more on being sweet, feminine, non-slutty, and not-fat, maybe all men, including black men, wouldn't prefer non-black women so much.

    Ah, shucks, who I'm kidding? lol

    But maybe this cultural scolding cause some men into guilt-dating and guilt-marrying more black "queens" and shut them up for a few minutes. Like when they scold whites for not having black friends and then the SJWs rush to find some Obama-like black to be chums with.

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Makes me think that some of the very gamma type white allies will want–more than anything–to marry morbidly obese black women. I don’t know if morbidly obese black women refuse incel sex, or if that was white ugly women. I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said “Ugly Women Ready for Sex”, so I didn’t know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works. Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.

    • Agree: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race


    I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said “Ugly Women Ready for Sex”, so I didn’t know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works
     
    If you can remember a pop-up ad from a few weeks ago, you must have a photographic memory. Maybe the ugly women in the ad tickled your particular fetish or something.

    Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.
     
    Do you know this only from watching porn, or do you have firsthand experience?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    , @R.G. Camara
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Every Kip seeks his LaFawnduh.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW3piH1UED8

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

  20. If you have ever seen hounds with a few terrier instigators run on bear or cougar (both outlawed in this state in 1996), you would understand the symbiotic relationship formed between Cro Magnon man and the wolf 30 or 40 thousand years ago. Wolves could run down mammoths, mastodons, cave bear, and sabre tooth tigers…..but usually could not bring down the beast and complete the kill. Early man, though slow afoot, could eventually catch up and complete the kill using spears and clubs. Working together, they formed a hunting combination of dreadful efficiency. It is even thought that Cro Magnons working with their partially domesticated wolf partners managed to hunt the Neanderthals to extinction.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @nsa

    Humans and killer whales teamed up in Australia in the early 20th century to hunt whales.

    , @vinny
    @nsa

    Yep, human-dog hunting was pretty much the end for pleistocene megafauna.

    , @Anonymous
    @nsa

    Yes, humans have superior vision and weaponry, while dogs have superior speed and smell. It's the perfect hunting team.

  21. @nsa
    If you have ever seen hounds with a few terrier instigators run on bear or cougar (both outlawed in this state in 1996), you would understand the symbiotic relationship formed between Cro Magnon man and the wolf 30 or 40 thousand years ago. Wolves could run down mammoths, mastodons, cave bear, and sabre tooth tigers.....but usually could not bring down the beast and complete the kill. Early man, though slow afoot, could eventually catch up and complete the kill using spears and clubs. Working together, they formed a hunting combination of dreadful efficiency. It is even thought that Cro Magnons working with their partially domesticated wolf partners managed to hunt the Neanderthals to extinction.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @vinny, @Anonymous

    Humans and killer whales teamed up in Australia in the early 20th century to hunt whales.

  22. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a really interesting idea to use dogs as a proxy for humans in looking at migration, but of course feral dogs can migrate on their own. Pigs that went feral in Florida in the late 15th and early 16th century managed to carry disease to Indians who didn’t meet Europeans until many decades later.

  23. @donut
    Yeah , yeah , yeah . This disgusting .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osMu6i2txFA

    Replies: @petit bourgeois, @conatus

    Fascinating video. Thanks.

    I’m no dog expert, but a couple of thoughts:

    I think the chihuahua is genetically similar to the Chinese crested dog, and came here on a boat, not a land bridge.

    Also, as a subjective matter, Chinese crested have won more ugliest dog in the world contests than any other breed:

    https://journaltimes.com/lifestyles/pets/meet-every-worlds-ugliest-dog-contest-winner-since-2002/collection_99cb31a7-51c9-5176-981f-6cc3bb399527.html#1

    Note that the Chinese crested is hairless, like the other pre-columbian dog, the Xoloitzcuintle, which is the mascot for the Tijuana soccer club, and a symbol of mexican pride and nationalism.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Tijuana

    When I went to Colima Mexico, I saw a few Xoloitzcuintle at people’s homes. I bought a few souvenirs of the ceramic dogs you see in the video. Those ceramic dogs are pre-columbian Xoloitzcuintle, and the ceramic figurines you see were found in the Aztec kings’ burial tombs. Prior to the seat of the Aztec empire being in present day Mexico City, the seat was in Colima, so when they buried the king, they put his favorite things in the tomb. The ceramic dogs you see are fattened up considerably, because they were meant for the king’s consumption. Sort of like how kobe beef is pampered until the day of slaughter.

  24. I’ve read (and heard) that wolf-dog hybrids are temperamentally far less stable than either wolves or dogs are on their own, and have a disturbing tendency to attack their owners. The combination of two genomes that are too far apart does not make for a good result, adaptation-wise. An unstable wolf-dog is almost certainly going to end up getting put down after attacking a human, and so (per the article) the wolf DNA never makes it into the general population of canines.

    The parallels for human breeding is illustrative, but not suitable for public discourse. We just have to live with the unsatisfying results, no matter the level of violence we are subject to.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @personfellowindividual


    The combination of two genomes that are too far apart does not make for a good result, adaptation-wise.
     
    Interdasting, not even because of the human parallel, but because not just dogs, but most other livestock seem to stem from a time of domestication back in antiquity. Since then humans have largely not bothered to domesticate additional species, or to re-domesticate from species that already have domestic descendants. We prefer just to use and reuse existing domesticated breeds. And this isn't only for livestock, but for domestic plants too. All the action today is in fiddling with cultivated varieties rather than going back to wild forebearers to create new strains of domestication. Yet the Siberian Fox experiments show that it doesn't take very long to domesticate a species once we decide to do it.

    Or maybe I'm speaking too soon? For instance, I'm told there are more lions and tigers in captivity in America than there are in the wild in Africa and Asia. If true—or maybe even if not true—that means we are probably inadvertently breeding semi-domesticated versions of lions and tigers. There were some not-very-successful attempts to domesticate Zebra over the last century, but maybe they focused too much on behavior modification and not enough on selective breeding ... which also would have politically inconvenient implications for humans, though it would explain why the great minds of science historically tended to end up at something like what we now call the taboo subject of eugenics.

    Replies: @personfellowindividual

    , @Paul Mendez
    @personfellowindividual


    I’ve read (and heard) that wolf-dog hybrids are temperamentally far less stable than either wolves or dogs are on their own...
     
    The same thing was said to be true of ligers and tigrons (lion/tiger hybrids). Tigers being solitary and lions being social, the hybrids were never happy.
  25. @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @R.G. Camara

    Makes me think that some of the very gamma type white allies will want--more than anything--to marry morbidly obese black women. I don't know if morbidly obese black women refuse incel sex, or if that was white ugly women. I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said "Ugly Women Ready for Sex", so I didn't know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works. Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @R.G. Camara

    I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said “Ugly Women Ready for Sex”, so I didn’t know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works

    If you can remember a pop-up ad from a few weeks ago, you must have a photographic memory. Maybe the ugly women in the ad tickled your particular fetish or something.

    Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.

    Do you know this only from watching porn, or do you have firsthand experience?

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Stan Adams

    Dunno about "first-" specifically, but porn goes hand in hand with a "hand experience".

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    , @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Stan Adams

    I do have a photographic memory, but anybody would remember ads on a porn site called 'Ugly Women Ready to Fuck'. I didn't click, so shut the fuck up. Ugly women of any race are not my thing.

    Yes, In NYC, you see all the Big Black Mamas, and they often have the loudest voices, but I find black in general to be very loud.

    So you've never looked at porn? That's just wonderful. Most people have, including, I'm sure, plenty at UR. I couldn't give a shit what you think.

    The point was only that I didn't have any idea purposely ugly people were 'selling porn'.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Stan Adams

    No, I don't know it from watching porn, I have never watched "Fat Bitch Porn".

  26. Careful, Steve.

    Some unkind soul might want to report you to the Woof Relations Court.

  27. @Almost Missouri
    @Anon


    King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b — the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians.
     
    Presumably this isn't some freakish one-off, but indicates that all ancient Egyptian Pharaohs—and indeed, maybe all ancient Egyptians—were R1b-ish, or as we call it nowadays, white people.

    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent ... events.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Anon

    Apparently not. All the other ancient samples from Egypt are E1b and J. It’s looking like Egypt was just yet another classical civilization with a foreign R1 elite, at least in Ramses’ time. Tut had mtDNA K.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Anon

    Thanks. Do we know when the R1b-ing started and ended?

    Was the entire New Kingdom an Indo-European project, or just the Eighteenth Dynasty?

    Do any R1b's remain, perhaps among the Copts?

    , @nokangaroos
    @Anon

    It has been speculated he was the son of Amenophis IV Akhenaton and his mother Tije - this would fit. He certainly looks the part (if "British"= Traveller with fetal alcohol syndrome) :D
    The following XIX. Dynasty (to include Ramses the Great) was reddish blond again.

  28. The French word for ‘breed’ is ‘race’

  29. @Peterike
    What’s with the writing in that article? It sounds like a drunk guy talking in a bar.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    Definitely a dumb guy. He implies nobody bred different breeds until the British, starting in 1837

    Here’s what is clearly a “toy” breed depicted 400 years before.

    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Van_Eyck_-_Arnolfini_Portrait.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

    • Replies: @Jake
    @AndrewR

    That's a standard WASP thing - unless WASPs see it as bad, it must be WASP i origin or at least improvement and transmission.

    When Romans invaded Celtic Britain, they found a couple of dozen quite distinct dog breeds, ranging in size from the smallest Terriers to a breed larger than today's Irish Wolfhound. The uses of the breeds ranged from hunting rats and other vermin on their own to hunting rabbits to hunting deer to herding livestock to guarding livestock to guarding families and acting as war dogs.

    The Gauls had developed the same large number 0f dog breeds to do different jobs. Romans developed dog breeds. Persians developed dog breeds, etc. etc.

  30. These are two topics: dogs’ breeds, and dogs & wolves.

    As for dogs, things are simple: dogs story is similar to human story. Common ancestry & divergence.

    Dogs & wolves: similar and somehow different. They too have common ancestry, but they diverged. It is more similar to human narrative in one aspect: dogs & wolves are like sub-Saharan Africans & all other, “Neanderthal-affiliated” humans. There is something fundamentally different between blacks & non-blacks, as is between dogs & wolves.

    Clearly, dogs & wolves form one species/super-species (fertile offspring). The only- and important- difference with human races analogy is that some wolves’ genes do not survive in interbreeding with dogs.

    It would be interesting to know whether this is the case with some non-negligible part of the genome re interbreeding of Africans with non-Africans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I've often thought your canine and homo sapien analogies have some merit. Wolves are a wilder (genetically and otherwise) canine form, whereas domestic dogs are a tamer form, much more influenced by modern human civilizations.
    Africans are a wilder (genetically and otherwise) human form whereas non-Africans have had their genomes "tamed" by civilization longer.
    Even when it comes to "vocalizations" (for want of a better term) there's a canine/human parallel- Generally wolves -unlike most dogs- are incapable of barking; similarly the phenomenon of "ebonics" is only found in some Africans and their descendants; non-Africans never have (again for want of a better term) "black sounding" voices- whether they're Swedes or Navajos or Chinese or Arabs.
    Of course all humans and all canines can produce fertile offspring, but that doesn't mean there aren't differences.

    , @International Jew
    @Bardon Kaldian


    dogs & wolves are like sub-Saharan Africans & all other, “Neanderthal-affiliated” humans.
     
    Yes, and in one more respect: there's more genetic diversity among wolves, likewise among Africans. Nonetheless, for all that diversity, you'll never find a wolf that looks like a beagle, or an African who looks like a Chinaman.
  31. Ancient dog DNA………….SO much safer than ancient human DNA……plus everyone loves dog stores

  32. @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Apparently not. All the other ancient samples from Egypt are E1b and J. It's looking like Egypt was just yet another classical civilization with a foreign R1 elite, at least in Ramses' time. Tut had mtDNA K.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @nokangaroos

    Thanks. Do we know when the R1b-ing started and ended?

    Was the entire New Kingdom an Indo-European project, or just the Eighteenth Dynasty?

    Do any R1b’s remain, perhaps among the Copts?

  33. @Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Apparently not. All the other ancient samples from Egypt are E1b and J. It's looking like Egypt was just yet another classical civilization with a foreign R1 elite, at least in Ramses' time. Tut had mtDNA K.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @nokangaroos

    It has been speculated he was the son of Amenophis IV Akhenaton and his mother Tije – this would fit. He certainly looks the part (if “British”= Traveller with fetal alcohol syndrome) 😀
    The following XIX. Dynasty (to include Ramses the Great) was reddish blond again.

  34. Currently reading about Cortez. He brought a pile of war dogs to Mexico. Big Mastiff type brutes. The Aztecs had small pooches, apparently they never thought of breeding war dogs. BTW, European kings in the 1500s gave war dogs as gifts to each other.

  35. @Stan Adams
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race


    I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said “Ugly Women Ready for Sex”, so I didn’t know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works
     
    If you can remember a pop-up ad from a few weeks ago, you must have a photographic memory. Maybe the ugly women in the ad tickled your particular fetish or something.

    Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.
     
    Do you know this only from watching porn, or do you have firsthand experience?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Dunno about “first-” specifically, but porn goes hand in hand with a “hand experience”.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @International Jew

    ... he said off-handedly.

    , @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @International Jew

    Not nearly always.

  36. @Anon
    Lots of big news is coming out of genetics research in 2020.

    Among the biggest breaks is an October paper titled "Insights from ancient DNA analysis of Egyptian human mummies: clues to disease and kinship". In this paper, it is confirmed from direct analysis that King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b -- the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians. The fact had already been accidentally leaked 10 years ago but it is now officially published.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/e5/e0/c9e5e061691c8a8d6d5d5207c9fdb5cb.jpg

    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2014/10/wx1080.jpg

    ^ Forensic reconstruction of King Tut, looks British imo. Another win for the Anglo.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @dearieme, @Jake, @Pericles, @Ancient Briton, @The Alarmist

    Looks more Irish to me. Which just proves that the Celts … blah, blah, blah.

  37. @Anon
    Lots of big news is coming out of genetics research in 2020.

    Among the biggest breaks is an October paper titled "Insights from ancient DNA analysis of Egyptian human mummies: clues to disease and kinship". In this paper, it is confirmed from direct analysis that King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b -- the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians. The fact had already been accidentally leaked 10 years ago but it is now officially published.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/e5/e0/c9e5e061691c8a8d6d5d5207c9fdb5cb.jpg

    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2014/10/wx1080.jpg

    ^ Forensic reconstruction of King Tut, looks British imo. Another win for the Anglo.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @dearieme, @Jake, @Pericles, @Ancient Briton, @The Alarmist

    What do you mean by looks British? The peoples on the island of Britain at the time of King Tut, those who built Stonehenge, were pre-Celtic and so did not speak any Indo-European language. They were never close to eradicated, so their looks remained. The words ‘Britain’ and ‘British’ are Celtic, but I doubt that your usage means P-Celtic peoples living in the southern half of the island of Britain. They also were not exterminated, just driven into slavery and serfdom and poor freeman status

    The drawing indeed looks like an average Joe from across most of Europe. That is, before the Anglo-Zionist Empire-inspired Elites of Western Europe began electing new black/brown people. WASP culture as world hegemon has overseen, via direct examples from the UK and the USA, the Elites of all once white nations destroying and then beginning to replace their white middle and working classes.

    The same basic thing happened in Egypt, over a much longer period of time, which is the reason that today’s Egyptian does not look like this picture. So perhaps Tut and his class were ‘Anglo’ in one very important sense: they hated and feared whites they ruled and acted to harm them, which meant they necessarily elevated non-whites.

  38. @personfellowindividual
    I've read (and heard) that wolf-dog hybrids are temperamentally far less stable than either wolves or dogs are on their own, and have a disturbing tendency to attack their owners. The combination of two genomes that are too far apart does not make for a good result, adaptation-wise. An unstable wolf-dog is almost certainly going to end up getting put down after attacking a human, and so (per the article) the wolf DNA never makes it into the general population of canines.

    The parallels for human breeding is illustrative, but not suitable for public discourse. We just have to live with the unsatisfying results, no matter the level of violence we are subject to.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Paul Mendez

    The combination of two genomes that are too far apart does not make for a good result, adaptation-wise.

    Interdasting, not even because of the human parallel, but because not just dogs, but most other livestock seem to stem from a time of domestication back in antiquity. Since then humans have largely not bothered to domesticate additional species, or to re-domesticate from species that already have domestic descendants. We prefer just to use and reuse existing domesticated breeds. And this isn’t only for livestock, but for domestic plants too. All the action today is in fiddling with cultivated varieties rather than going back to wild forebearers to create new strains of domestication. Yet the Siberian Fox experiments show that it doesn’t take very long to domesticate a species once we decide to do it.

    Or maybe I’m speaking too soon? For instance, I’m told there are more lions and tigers in captivity in America than there are in the wild in Africa and Asia. If true—or maybe even if not true—that means we are probably inadvertently breeding semi-domesticated versions of lions and tigers. There were some not-very-successful attempts to domesticate Zebra over the last century, but maybe they focused too much on behavior modification and not enough on selective breeding … which also would have politically inconvenient implications for humans, though it would explain why the great minds of science historically tended to end up at something like what we now call the taboo subject of eugenics.

    • Replies: @personfellowindividual
    @Almost Missouri

    I think the first creatures we ever domesticated were Us - At least the Homo Sap. that lived outside of Africa. Our skeletons show signs of 'gracilization', the change that every domesticated species goes through, in comparison to the more robust skeletons of Neanderthals. It comes from not needing to compete for survival through brutal violence because of living under civilized conditions.

    Isn't it interesting that Africans commonly have more dense bones and muscle tissue, almost as if they haven't undergone that same process of gracilization and domestication.

    Behaviorally, they certainly act as if they aren't really suited to living under civilized conditions.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Eagle Eye

  39. @AndrewR
    @Peterike

    Definitely a dumb guy. He implies nobody bred different breeds until the British, starting in 1837

    Here's what is clearly a "toy" breed depicted 400 years before.

    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Van_Eyck_-_Arnolfini_Portrait.jpg#mw-jump-to-license

    Replies: @Jake

    That’s a standard WASP thing – unless WASPs see it as bad, it must be WASP i origin or at least improvement and transmission.

    When Romans invaded Celtic Britain, they found a couple of dozen quite distinct dog breeds, ranging in size from the smallest Terriers to a breed larger than today’s Irish Wolfhound. The uses of the breeds ranged from hunting rats and other vermin on their own to hunting rabbits to hunting deer to herding livestock to guarding livestock to guarding families and acting as war dogs.

    The Gauls had developed the same large number 0f dog breeds to do different jobs. Romans developed dog breeds. Persians developed dog breeds, etc. etc.

    • Thanks: AndrewR
  40. @nsa
    If you have ever seen hounds with a few terrier instigators run on bear or cougar (both outlawed in this state in 1996), you would understand the symbiotic relationship formed between Cro Magnon man and the wolf 30 or 40 thousand years ago. Wolves could run down mammoths, mastodons, cave bear, and sabre tooth tigers.....but usually could not bring down the beast and complete the kill. Early man, though slow afoot, could eventually catch up and complete the kill using spears and clubs. Working together, they formed a hunting combination of dreadful efficiency. It is even thought that Cro Magnons working with their partially domesticated wolf partners managed to hunt the Neanderthals to extinction.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @vinny, @Anonymous

    Yep, human-dog hunting was pretty much the end for pleistocene megafauna.

  41. @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @R.G. Camara

    Makes me think that some of the very gamma type white allies will want--more than anything--to marry morbidly obese black women. I don't know if morbidly obese black women refuse incel sex, or if that was white ugly women. I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said "Ugly Women Ready for Sex", so I didn't know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works. Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @R.G. Camara

    Every Kip seeks his LaFawnduh.

    • Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @R.G. Camara

    That is fucking hilarious! Can't believe you found the exact thing...too funny.

  42. @Anon
    Lots of big news is coming out of genetics research in 2020.

    Among the biggest breaks is an October paper titled "Insights from ancient DNA analysis of Egyptian human mummies: clues to disease and kinship". In this paper, it is confirmed from direct analysis that King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b -- the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians. The fact had already been accidentally leaked 10 years ago but it is now officially published.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/e5/e0/c9e5e061691c8a8d6d5d5207c9fdb5cb.jpg

    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2014/10/wx1080.jpg

    ^ Forensic reconstruction of King Tut, looks British imo. Another win for the Anglo.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @dearieme, @Jake, @Pericles, @Ancient Briton, @The Alarmist

    I’ve seen that guy down by the mini-mart.

  43. @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent … events.

     

    They stopped impregnating their sisters? At least their genes survive in Appalachia.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Not Raul

    And in Rhode Island, if memory serves.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Pericles



    At least their genes survive in Appalachia.
     
    And in Rhode Island, if memory serves.
     
    Yes, but only among Jews.

    In Rhode Island, Jews Can Marry Their Relatives!


    2019 Rhode Island General Laws
    Section 15-1-4 Marriages of kindred allowed by Jewish religion.
  44. @Almost Missouri
    @personfellowindividual


    The combination of two genomes that are too far apart does not make for a good result, adaptation-wise.
     
    Interdasting, not even because of the human parallel, but because not just dogs, but most other livestock seem to stem from a time of domestication back in antiquity. Since then humans have largely not bothered to domesticate additional species, or to re-domesticate from species that already have domestic descendants. We prefer just to use and reuse existing domesticated breeds. And this isn't only for livestock, but for domestic plants too. All the action today is in fiddling with cultivated varieties rather than going back to wild forebearers to create new strains of domestication. Yet the Siberian Fox experiments show that it doesn't take very long to domesticate a species once we decide to do it.

    Or maybe I'm speaking too soon? For instance, I'm told there are more lions and tigers in captivity in America than there are in the wild in Africa and Asia. If true—or maybe even if not true—that means we are probably inadvertently breeding semi-domesticated versions of lions and tigers. There were some not-very-successful attempts to domesticate Zebra over the last century, but maybe they focused too much on behavior modification and not enough on selective breeding ... which also would have politically inconvenient implications for humans, though it would explain why the great minds of science historically tended to end up at something like what we now call the taboo subject of eugenics.

    Replies: @personfellowindividual

    I think the first creatures we ever domesticated were Us – At least the Homo Sap. that lived outside of Africa. Our skeletons show signs of ‘gracilization’, the change that every domesticated species goes through, in comparison to the more robust skeletons of Neanderthals. It comes from not needing to compete for survival through brutal violence because of living under civilized conditions.

    Isn’t it interesting that Africans commonly have more dense bones and muscle tissue, almost as if they haven’t undergone that same process of gracilization and domestication.

    Behaviorally, they certainly act as if they aren’t really suited to living under civilized conditions.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @personfellowindividual

    That's not accurate. Africans are more gracile and neotenous than Europeans. From an anatomical perspective, "there is no purer Sapiens man than a Negro" (Coon, 1939).

    , @Eagle Eye
    @personfellowindividual


    Our skeletons show signs of ‘gracilization’, the change that every domesticated species goes through, in comparison to the more robust skeletons of Neanderthals.
     
    "Gracilization" was also a prominent trait of the 6ft 5in "Mungo Man" skeleton found in Australia. Mungo Man may have lived as early as 62,000 years ago, i.e. 20,000 years BEFORE the ancestors of the earliest "abo" populations surviving today managed to get to Australia.

    Of course, the Cult-Marx anthropology establishment is going all out to hide and destroy any evidence of non-"abo" populations in early Australia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remains#Morphology

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/australia-continues-to-crush-its-former-problem-with-racial-gaps/#comment-4241652

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  45. @Mike Zwick
    Breeds are a social construct.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The only reason Pit Bulls commit a wildly disproportionate share of fatal dog attacks is due to systemic racism… Oh wait, systemic breedism. Everyone knows dogs are 99.9% identical at the DNA level!

  46. Anonymous[238] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian
    These are two topics: dogs' breeds, and dogs & wolves.

    As for dogs, things are simple: dogs story is similar to human story. Common ancestry & divergence.

    Dogs & wolves: similar and somehow different. They too have common ancestry, but they diverged. It is more similar to human narrative in one aspect: dogs & wolves are like sub-Saharan Africans & all other, "Neanderthal-affiliated" humans. There is something fundamentally different between blacks & non-blacks, as is between dogs & wolves.

    Clearly, dogs & wolves form one species/super-species (fertile offspring). The only- and important- difference with human races analogy is that some wolves' genes do not survive in interbreeding with dogs.

    It would be interesting to know whether this is the case with some non-negligible part of the genome re interbreeding of Africans with non-Africans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @International Jew

    I’ve often thought your canine and homo sapien analogies have some merit. Wolves are a wilder (genetically and otherwise) canine form, whereas domestic dogs are a tamer form, much more influenced by modern human civilizations.
    Africans are a wilder (genetically and otherwise) human form whereas non-Africans have had their genomes “tamed” by civilization longer.
    Even when it comes to “vocalizations” (for want of a better term) there’s a canine/human parallel- Generally wolves -unlike most dogs- are incapable of barking; similarly the phenomenon of “ebonics” is only found in some Africans and their descendants; non-Africans never have (again for want of a better term) “black sounding” voices- whether they’re Swedes or Navajos or Chinese or Arabs.
    Of course all humans and all canines can produce fertile offspring, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t differences.

  47. @personfellowindividual
    I've read (and heard) that wolf-dog hybrids are temperamentally far less stable than either wolves or dogs are on their own, and have a disturbing tendency to attack their owners. The combination of two genomes that are too far apart does not make for a good result, adaptation-wise. An unstable wolf-dog is almost certainly going to end up getting put down after attacking a human, and so (per the article) the wolf DNA never makes it into the general population of canines.

    The parallels for human breeding is illustrative, but not suitable for public discourse. We just have to live with the unsatisfying results, no matter the level of violence we are subject to.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Paul Mendez

    I’ve read (and heard) that wolf-dog hybrids are temperamentally far less stable than either wolves or dogs are on their own…

    The same thing was said to be true of ligers and tigrons (lion/tiger hybrids). Tigers being solitary and lions being social, the hybrids were never happy.

  48. @Anon
    Lots of big news is coming out of genetics research in 2020.

    Among the biggest breaks is an October paper titled "Insights from ancient DNA analysis of Egyptian human mummies: clues to disease and kinship". In this paper, it is confirmed from direct analysis that King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b -- the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians. The fact had already been accidentally leaked 10 years ago but it is now officially published.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/e5/e0/c9e5e061691c8a8d6d5d5207c9fdb5cb.jpg

    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2014/10/wx1080.jpg

    ^ Forensic reconstruction of King Tut, looks British imo. Another win for the Anglo.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @dearieme, @Jake, @Pericles, @Ancient Briton, @The Alarmist

    Looks British – are the teeth a giveaway?

  49. @Anon
    Lots of big news is coming out of genetics research in 2020.

    Among the biggest breaks is an October paper titled "Insights from ancient DNA analysis of Egyptian human mummies: clues to disease and kinship". In this paper, it is confirmed from direct analysis that King Tut and his father/grandfather belonged to the M269 clade of haplogroup R1b -- the same carried by most Western European males, but by less than 1% of modern Egyptians. The fact had already been accidentally leaked 10 years ago but it is now officially published.


    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/e5/e0/c9e5e061691c8a8d6d5d5207c9fdb5cb.jpg

    https://news.artnet.com/app/news-upload/2014/10/wx1080.jpg

    ^ Forensic reconstruction of King Tut, looks British imo. Another win for the Anglo.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @dearieme, @Jake, @Pericles, @Ancient Briton, @The Alarmist

    As usual, Star Trek was in the vanguard …

  50. @International Jew
    @Stan Adams

    Dunno about "first-" specifically, but porn goes hand in hand with a "hand experience".

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    … he said off-handedly.

  51. @International Jew
    @Stan Adams

    Dunno about "first-" specifically, but porn goes hand in hand with a "hand experience".

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Not nearly always.

  52. @Stan Adams
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race


    I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said “Ugly Women Ready for Sex”, so I didn’t know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works
     
    If you can remember a pop-up ad from a few weeks ago, you must have a photographic memory. Maybe the ugly women in the ad tickled your particular fetish or something.

    Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.
     
    Do you know this only from watching porn, or do you have firsthand experience?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    I do have a photographic memory, but anybody would remember ads on a porn site called ‘Ugly Women Ready to Fuck’. I didn’t click, so shut the fuck up. Ugly women of any race are not my thing.

    Yes, In NYC, you see all the Big Black Mamas, and they often have the loudest voices, but I find black in general to be very loud.

    So you’ve never looked at porn? That’s just wonderful. Most people have, including, I’m sure, plenty at UR. I couldn’t give a shit what you think.

    The point was only that I didn’t have any idea purposely ugly people were ‘selling porn’.

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Wow. I hit a nerve.

    There's no shame in having non-conventional tastes. Fatties and fuglies need lovin', too. You needn't feel self-conscious about it.

  53. @Stan Adams
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race


    I saw a pop-up on PornHub a few weeks ago that said “Ugly Women Ready for Sex”, so I didn’t know such as these outcast sorts of looks had gone commercial, but maybe it works
     
    If you can remember a pop-up ad from a few weeks ago, you must have a photographic memory. Maybe the ugly women in the ad tickled your particular fetish or something.

    Those fat black women are also the ones who are really LOUD bitches too.
     
    Do you know this only from watching porn, or do you have firsthand experience?

    Replies: @International Jew, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race, @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    No, I don’t know it from watching porn, I have never watched “Fat Bitch Porn”.

  54. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    There is only one race of dog, the Dog race! I’m totally sure there is more variation within breeds of Dog than between breeds of Dog! I’m also totally sure that with proper nurture a Chihuahua can outrun a Greyhound and an Irish wolfhound can herd sheep better than a Border Collie!

    Lewontin and Lysenko rule! Genes drool!

  55. @R.G. Camara
    @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    Every Kip seeks his LaFawnduh.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW3piH1UED8

    Replies: @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race

    That is fucking hilarious! Can’t believe you found the exact thing…too funny.

  56. @Pericles
    @Reg Cæsar

    And in Rhode Island, if memory serves.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    At least their genes survive in Appalachia.

    And in Rhode Island, if memory serves.

    Yes, but only among Jews.

    In Rhode Island, Jews Can Marry Their Relatives!

    2019 Rhode Island General Laws
    Section 15-1-4 Marriages of kindred allowed by Jewish religion.

  57. @personfellowindividual
    @Almost Missouri

    I think the first creatures we ever domesticated were Us - At least the Homo Sap. that lived outside of Africa. Our skeletons show signs of 'gracilization', the change that every domesticated species goes through, in comparison to the more robust skeletons of Neanderthals. It comes from not needing to compete for survival through brutal violence because of living under civilized conditions.

    Isn't it interesting that Africans commonly have more dense bones and muscle tissue, almost as if they haven't undergone that same process of gracilization and domestication.

    Behaviorally, they certainly act as if they aren't really suited to living under civilized conditions.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Eagle Eye

    That’s not accurate. Africans are more gracile and neotenous than Europeans. From an anatomical perspective, “there is no purer Sapiens man than a Negro” (Coon, 1939).

  58. @Lace the Artist Formerly Known as Race
    @Stan Adams

    I do have a photographic memory, but anybody would remember ads on a porn site called 'Ugly Women Ready to Fuck'. I didn't click, so shut the fuck up. Ugly women of any race are not my thing.

    Yes, In NYC, you see all the Big Black Mamas, and they often have the loudest voices, but I find black in general to be very loud.

    So you've never looked at porn? That's just wonderful. Most people have, including, I'm sure, plenty at UR. I couldn't give a shit what you think.

    The point was only that I didn't have any idea purposely ugly people were 'selling porn'.

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    Wow. I hit a nerve.

    There’s no shame in having non-conventional tastes. Fatties and fuglies need lovin’, too. You needn’t feel self-conscious about it.

  59. @nsa
    If you have ever seen hounds with a few terrier instigators run on bear or cougar (both outlawed in this state in 1996), you would understand the symbiotic relationship formed between Cro Magnon man and the wolf 30 or 40 thousand years ago. Wolves could run down mammoths, mastodons, cave bear, and sabre tooth tigers.....but usually could not bring down the beast and complete the kill. Early man, though slow afoot, could eventually catch up and complete the kill using spears and clubs. Working together, they formed a hunting combination of dreadful efficiency. It is even thought that Cro Magnons working with their partially domesticated wolf partners managed to hunt the Neanderthals to extinction.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @vinny, @Anonymous

    Yes, humans have superior vision and weaponry, while dogs have superior speed and smell. It’s the perfect hunting team.

  60. Perhaps the government should import some breeding pairs of African hunting dogs to enliven the stifled canine bloodline. Give them a couple of years and you’ll have packs of them hunting down civilians left, right, and centre. People will be cowering with their chihuahuas wondering where it all went wrong. So much for affirmative breeding.

  61. @Bardon Kaldian
    These are two topics: dogs' breeds, and dogs & wolves.

    As for dogs, things are simple: dogs story is similar to human story. Common ancestry & divergence.

    Dogs & wolves: similar and somehow different. They too have common ancestry, but they diverged. It is more similar to human narrative in one aspect: dogs & wolves are like sub-Saharan Africans & all other, "Neanderthal-affiliated" humans. There is something fundamentally different between blacks & non-blacks, as is between dogs & wolves.

    Clearly, dogs & wolves form one species/super-species (fertile offspring). The only- and important- difference with human races analogy is that some wolves' genes do not survive in interbreeding with dogs.

    It would be interesting to know whether this is the case with some non-negligible part of the genome re interbreeding of Africans with non-Africans.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @International Jew

    dogs & wolves are like sub-Saharan Africans & all other, “Neanderthal-affiliated” humans.

    Yes, and in one more respect: there’s more genetic diversity among wolves, likewise among Africans. Nonetheless, for all that diversity, you’ll never find a wolf that looks like a beagle, or an African who looks like a Chinaman.

  62. Eagle Eye says:
    @personfellowindividual
    @Almost Missouri

    I think the first creatures we ever domesticated were Us - At least the Homo Sap. that lived outside of Africa. Our skeletons show signs of 'gracilization', the change that every domesticated species goes through, in comparison to the more robust skeletons of Neanderthals. It comes from not needing to compete for survival through brutal violence because of living under civilized conditions.

    Isn't it interesting that Africans commonly have more dense bones and muscle tissue, almost as if they haven't undergone that same process of gracilization and domestication.

    Behaviorally, they certainly act as if they aren't really suited to living under civilized conditions.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Eagle Eye

    Our skeletons show signs of ‘gracilization’, the change that every domesticated species goes through, in comparison to the more robust skeletons of Neanderthals.

    “Gracilization” was also a prominent trait of the 6ft 5in “Mungo Man” skeleton found in Australia. Mungo Man may have lived as early as 62,000 years ago, i.e. 20,000 years BEFORE the ancestors of the earliest “abo” populations surviving today managed to get to Australia.

    Of course, the Cult-Marx anthropology establishment is going all out to hide and destroy any evidence of non-“abo” populations in early Australia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remains#Morphology

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/australia-continues-to-crush-its-former-problem-with-racial-gaps/#comment-4241652

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Eagle Eye


    “Gracilization” was also a prominent trait of the 6ft 5in “Mungo Man” skeleton found in Australia.
     
    That, plus a really bitchin' set of muttonchops.

    Of course, in Australia, "the summertime" occurs during the other half of the year. It was no doubt this seasonal confusion which led to poor Mungo's demise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0oBPtyNb0
  63. @Reg Cæsar
    @Almost Missouri


    Also indicates that since then, the ancient Egyptians—or at least the ancient Egyptian paternal lines—were 99% eradicated by subsequent … events.

     

    They stopped impregnating their sisters? At least their genes survive in Appalachia.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Not Raul

    Give Tut a banjo.

  64. @Eagle Eye
    @personfellowindividual


    Our skeletons show signs of ‘gracilization’, the change that every domesticated species goes through, in comparison to the more robust skeletons of Neanderthals.
     
    "Gracilization" was also a prominent trait of the 6ft 5in "Mungo Man" skeleton found in Australia. Mungo Man may have lived as early as 62,000 years ago, i.e. 20,000 years BEFORE the ancestors of the earliest "abo" populations surviving today managed to get to Australia.

    Of course, the Cult-Marx anthropology establishment is going all out to hide and destroy any evidence of non-"abo" populations in early Australia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Mungo_remains#Morphology

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/australia-continues-to-crush-its-former-problem-with-racial-gaps/#comment-4241652

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    “Gracilization” was also a prominent trait of the 6ft 5in “Mungo Man” skeleton found in Australia.

    That, plus a really bitchin’ set of muttonchops.

    Of course, in Australia, “the summertime” occurs during the other half of the year. It was no doubt this seasonal confusion which led to poor Mungo’s demise.

  65. @donut
    Yeah , yeah , yeah . This disgusting .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osMu6i2txFA

    Replies: @petit bourgeois, @conatus

    So the 2% PCD genetic material in present day dogs is similar to the 2-3% Neanderthal in present day humans?

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