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No mention of the memorable human interest angle in Axios’s write-up of a new academic study in Criminology:
Study shows Black offenders more likely to get federal life sentences
Russell Contreras
Black Americans are more likely to get federal life sentences than whites or Latinos, a new study has found.
Why it matters: The analysis, published recently in Criminology, further illustrates the racial disparities of federal sentencing at a time when advocates are pushing for sentencing reforms for nonviolent offenders.
Details: An examination of more than 366,000 offenders convicted and sentenced in 90 federal district courts from 2010 to 2017 found racial disparities around life sentences targeting Black offenders. (The research excluded offenses related to immigration law.)
More than 4,800 of all offenders were eligible for life imprisonment — and almost 1,200 received life sentences, the study found.
Black offenders accounted for fewer than a third of all cases but constituted nearly half of those eligible for life sentences.
White offenders accounted for more than a third of all cases but constituted less than a quarter of those eligible for life sentences.
Between the lines: Hispanic offenders were more likely to be eligible for life sentences than white offenders, yet half as likely as Black offenders to receive life sentences.
This graph would be easier to read if the first column were the last column. What it is saying that is that out of some pool of offenders, presumably those committing crimes for which a life sentence is at least theoretical possibility, Hispanics were 50% more likely and blacks 80% more likely than whites to be eligible for a life sentence under sentencing guidelines. But out of that smaller sifted pool, blacks only were sentenced 10% more likely to get a life sentence and Hispanics 50% less likely to be given a life sentence.
Overall, out of those who were convicted of crimes for which a life sentence is a possibility, Hispanics were 20% less likely than whites to wind up with a life sentence (1.5 * 0.5 = 0.75). Weirdly, the math doesn’t seem right for blacks: 1.8 * 1.1 = 1.98, but the graphs says 1.6.
Just why wasn’t clear — and how Hispanics identified themselves prior to changes with the 2020 census may have affected results.
Researchers suggest race and ethnicity are indirectly related to modes of conviction, mandatory minimums and departures from sentencing guidelines.
What they’re saying: “Two out of three people serving life terms are defendants of color, and some believe that life sentences are fraught with racial bias,” Brian D. Johnson, a University of Maryland criminology and criminal justice professor who led the study, said in a statement.
Alternative headline: “Study shows Black offenders more likely to commit more horrific crimes deserving life sentences”
… Don’t forget: The First Step Act, signed by President Trump, reduced some federal sentences and gave judges more sentencing flexibility.
The bill led to the release of at least 3,000 inmates by the end of 2019, according to NBC News.
Axios reported that Trump later told people he regretted following some of son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner’s political advice on criminal justice reform.
And the murder rate fell like a stone in 2020. Oh, wait … Never mind.
Here’s the original paper from Criminology. It looks like Axios didn’t read between the lines acutely enough:
Brian D. Johnson, Cassia Spohn, Anat Kimchi
The name “Anat Kimchi” seems familiar …
First published: 16 August 2021 https://doi.org/10.1111/1745-9125.12288
Alongside capital punishment, sentences to life without the possibility of parole are one of the most distinctive aspects of the American system of criminal punishment. Unlike the death penalty, though, almost no empirical work has examined the decision to impose life imprisonment. The current study analyzes several years of recent federal sentencing data (FY2010–FY2017) to investigate underlying sources of racial disparity in life without parole sentences. The analysis reveals disparities in who receives life imprisonment, but it finds these differences are attributable mostly to indirect mechanisms built into the federal sentencing system, such as the mode of conviction, mandatory minimums, and guidelines departures.
“Indirect mechanisms” sound like Systemic Racism.
Both Black and Hispanic offenders are more likely to be eligible for life sentences under the federal guidelines, but conditional on being eligible, they are not more likely to receive life sentences.
Huh? That’s seems to be Off-Narrative. We wouldn’t want Ms. Kimchi to get cancelled.
Oh, well, I guess she’s past that worry.
Findings are discussed in relation to ongoing debates over racial inequality and the growing role that life imprisonment plays in American exceptionalism in punishment.
And then there’s this human interest bit:
‡ This article is dedicated to the memory of our colleague and collaborator, Anat Kimchi, who tragically died after the manuscript was accepted for publication. Her contributions to the article were invaluable and she will be sorely missed by many.
Oh, yeah, that’s who poor Anat Kimchi was. From CWBChicago:
Man accused of “terrorizing downtown” with violent attacks on women, murder
June 26, 2021 CWBChicago Loop
A homeless man spent nine days “terrorizing downtown” with a series of violent attacks on women that culminated with the stabbing death of a Maryland woman last weekend, prosecutors said
Tony L. Robinson, 41, was ordered held without bail by Judge Charles Beach after prosecutors laid out allegations to support charges of first-degree murder, robbery, and multiple counts of aggravated battery on Saturday afternoon.
Beach, reflecting on Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy’s assertion that Robinson was “terrorizing” the area, said, “I don’t think that’s an unfair statement in any way, shape, or form.”
“Frankly, it is an act of terrorism on the community,” Beach said, calling the allegations an “ongoing nine-day terrorization of individuals who are visiting our city, or working around the Loop area, or living in the Loop area.”
Police arrested Robinson Thursday afternoon on the 300 block of South Lower Wacker Drive, where he lived in a tent, according to Murphy and police records. Officers who executed a search warrant on the tent recovered a sock filled with rocks, two knives, and other items, Murphy said.
Wacker Drive is the magnificent street in Chicago’s Loop that follows the right left bank of the Chicago River around. (The Chicago River used to flow into Lake Michigan, but it’s direction was reversed over a century ago.) I worked from 1991-1993 in an office building at 300 South Upper Wacker Drive.
The giant Sears Tower (now the Willis Tower) is diagonally across Wacker from my old office. Tons of tourists, including Amish and/or Mennonites laying over at the nearby Greyhound bus station, walk by to go to the top of the Sears Tower. I was under the impression back then that the Amish refuse to use all modern technology so I assumed they must walk up to the 109th floor, but I was mistaken about the Amish and their actually more instrumental relationship to modern tech.
Underneath Upper Wacker, Lower Wacker, where the murderer camped out, is more Brutalist Ominous. It made a notable setting for parts of Christopher Nolan’s Batman Begins.
Anat Kimchi, a 31-year-old criminal justice doctoral candidate from Maryland, was walking on the 400 block of South Wacker when Robinson grabbed her from behind and overhand stabbed her in the neck and upper back with a knife, Murphy said.
A witness who saw the attack from a nearby park thought Robinson was trying to rob Kimchi, but Robinson only got away with her sweater, Murphy continued. The witness briefly confronted Robinson but backed off when Robinson threatened him, Murphy said. The witness then went to Kimchi’s side and held her until paramedics arrived.
DNA material from a shirt the attacker discarded near the murder scene matches Robinson, Murphy said. Surveillance video allegedly shows Robinson running with a knife in his hand after the murder and throwing an object into the Chicago River. …
Robinson is also charged with violently beating a 50-year-old tourist near her Loop hotel as she walked to get coffee. The woman, who was visiting from St. Louis for a baseball game, told police that a man confronted her as she walked on the first block of East Ida B. Wells and asked if she was following him around 7:14 a.m. on June 13.
The woman said, “no,” and tried to keep walking, but the man struck her in the head with a hard object. She told police it felt like she had been struck with a concrete block, Murphy said. …
Murphy suggested Robinson is also responsible for violently beating a 25-year-old woman with an object on the 500 block of South Franklin around 9:30 p.m. on June 10. CWBChicago previously reported that the woman’s injuries were so severe, fire department personnel thought she’d been shot in the head.
… Robinson has a criminal history in St. Clair County for burglary and other crimes. CWBChicago reported Friday that his Cook County record only includes misdemeanor allegations….
Mr. Robinson just might have earned himself a life without parole sentence …
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Somewhat related: the original DA in the Armed Robbery case — who handled things in a hurry because it was Sunday and it looked open-and-shut, and who recommended against prosecuting the off-duty cops who were attacked by a man with a history of casing possible robbery targets because, yeah — has now been indicted. They’re trying to make it look like she was buddy buddy with the evil white racist murderers because one of them had once worked in the same office.
If you are talking about the Arbery case one of the men was former law enforcement. Cops have privileges that ordinary citizens (even former cops) do not. That said the indictment of DA seems thin, DAs have to foul up pretty bad to be criminally liable.Replies: @D guy jjjjj
I don't know whether Arbery was just out jogging, curious about the house or getting water or was casing the joint. And i think the white guys were unwise to get in front of Arbery rather than just keep following him till the cops arrived. (We have cops for precisely this purpose.)
But the bottom line here is Arbery attacked a man carrying a shotgun. Which is
a) stone cold stupid
b) his fault
and--worth considering--
c) the sort of action you are more likely to get in that situation when you tell blacks for 50 years that whitey is just chomping a the bit to lynch them (when in fact these guys wanted him to stop and the cops to arrest him)
And now, I’d like to lead all the readers of iSteve in a moment of silence for this young woman, who emigrated here from our greatest ally, Israel (in case the female given name “Anat” wasn’t familiar to anyone), to bless this country by pursuing an academic career devoted to generating scholarship intended to support a reduction in the prison sentences handed down to black felons.
Ok, moment’s over.
She didn’t have my back?
Oh well. R.I.P. lady....
Well Alden, your work’s cut out for you on this one.
How is it that black commit crimes eligible for life at 1.8 times the rate of whites, are 1.1 times more likely to get a life sentence if eligible, but have only 1.6 times the chance of getting a life sentence. Shouldn’t it be upwards of 1.9?
Poetry
First of all, the poor girl. Stabbed to death by a feral Dinger is no way to go.
Second, her paper is like reading an academic paper by a Dodo bird explaining why you Dodos who think humans are dangerous are Dodo-supremacists and just all around Bad Dodos.
Kimchi is cruel and unusual punishment. Waterboarding with spices.
And your Lutefisk is chopped liver? Waterboarding with lye!Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar
Second, her paper is like reading an academic paper by a Dodo bird explaining why you Dodos who think humans are dangerous are Dodo-supremacists and just all around Bad Dodos.Replies: @Change that Matters
From now on I’m using Dodo-supremacist and your example. Thank you in advance.
“… off-duty cops ..”
If you are talking about the Arbery case one of the men was former law enforcement. Cops have privileges that ordinary citizens (even former cops) do not. That said the indictment of DA seems thin, DAs have to foul up pretty bad to be criminally liable.
They’re transferring from Greyhound to Amtrak (both near the Swillis), or vice versa. Geneticists encouraged them to marry farther afield, i.e., out of buggy range. Thus, reunions.
American-Israeli advocate for black felons gets murdered by random one in Chicago.
What’s the chance of that? Large in comparison to all alternatives.
Karma?
Ok, moment's over.Replies: @Anonymous, @Houston 1992, @Detroit Refugee
She was one of three authors and listed last. Did you forget Brian D. Johnson and Cassia Spohn? Who are they? They are not Israelis. They are home grown Americans still with us and still writing.
All in all, it’s too bad – just another non-black done in by a black. Derb’s version of “the talk” might have come in handy, although like a lot anti-racists, she’d have probably run away plugging her ears and screaming in horror.
The scariest thing is this will not influence the opinions of the co-authors of her paper at all.
It will all be Donald Trump’s fault
Isn’t life in prison better than getting lynched, which, apparently, happens frequently. Or so I am led to believe.
OT: But the crazy story that within hours of Joe Rogan talking about taking Invermectin that rural hospitals were full of goykopfs who had overdosed had at least one guy collating some of the pickups and expressions of
sadistic gleeconcern about misinformation from blue ticks that have now themselves been removed.It’s extremely easy to control these studies for heinousness of the crime. Federal criminal sentencing is highly deterministic. Your crime gives you an offense level. There are upward (did you use a gun, did you victimize a child or federal judge) and downward (did you plead guilty) deviations. Then they calculate your offender category based on criminal history. They use those two numbers to pick a guideline sentencing range from a table. If the judge wants to deviate from the guidelines, he has to explain why, and those deviations are usually overturned on appeal.
I'm going to do a magic trick.
I'm going to make this pencil disappear.
It’s a shame Kimchi was too badly injured to castigate the witness for his deplorable racism. I’m sure it was all just a misunderstanding over jogging/buying skittles etc.
Thanks, Batman.
And they add time if you routinely hang out at that gangster’s nightclub on Lower Wacker:
Two Men Arrested After Vehicle Search Finds Drugs in Bag Marked "Bag Full of Drugs"Replies: @Batman
https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-is-anat-kimchi-white-female-doctoral-student-researching-disparity-in-probation-sentences-randomly-murdered-by-black-male-in-chicago/
https://vdare.com/posts/her-name-is-anat-kimchi-white-female-doctoral-student-researching-disparity-in-probation-sentences-randomly-murdered-by-black-male-in-chicago
Stop the presses!
That is exactly the opposite of what a lot of the WN types over here assert. They are absolutely certain that Jews (especially Israeli Jews) are not white.Replies: @Pericles, @WJ
What is the cognitive dissonance like for these researchers?
“She was one of our best students, just about to embark on a professional career,” Gary LaFree, professor and chairman of the university’s criminology and criminal justice department, told the Tribune on Sunday.
LaFree said Kimchi had a particularly strong interest in fair treatment issues involving offenders and criminal suspects and had recently published her own research on criminal case processing.
“Obviously a huge tragedy, but also a certain amount of irony in the situation when you’re studying this issue that cost you your life.”
https://pantagraph.com/news/state-and-regional/crime-and-courts/maryland-graduate-student-killed-in-loop-stabbing-described-as-a-brilliant-criminology-researcher/article_b76442fa-a0a5-5a9d-a3b7-cc7d74387452.html
Can somebody please explain this to me? The link was on the same page as the article Steve linked to.
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/09/carjacking-victim-refuses-to-press-charges-against-teen-who-already-has-4-armed-robbery-cases-pending.html
What confuses me is the “declined to press charges” bit. Doesn’t the state press charges against violent criminals? What does the individual have to do with it?
If the victim refuses to cooperate voluntarily it can be difficult to make a case. With regard to the linked story the prosecutor would have to force the victim to show up for the trial, be prepared to grant him immunity if he pled the fifth and then hope the victim doesn't say something like he was so high on drugs at the time that he doesn't really remember what happened. It can be done and sometimes is in domestic abuse situations but prosecutors tend to prefer easy cases.Replies: @Paperback Writer
sadistic gleeconcern about misinformation from blue ticks that have now themselves been removed.https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1434591443855753220Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Hangnail HansNot that it’s the most important aspect but it’s IVERMECTIN not INVERMECTIN.
What's the chance of that? Large in comparison to all alternatives.
Karma?Replies: @Alfa158, @Detroit Refugee
Justice.
Kimchi is a Jewish surname in addition to a spicy Korean topping https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimhi
“You would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the death of Anat Kimchi”.
I’m going to do a magic trick.
I’m going to make this pencil disappear.
“… Weirdly, the math doesn’t seem right for blacks: 1.8 * 1.1 = 1.98, but the graphs says 1.6.”
It seems possible the 1.6 and 1.8 got flipped (by mistake) at some point.
The Oscar Wilde quote about the death of little Nell comes to mind.
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/09/carjacking-victim-refuses-to-press-charges-against-teen-who-already-has-4-armed-robbery-cases-pending.html
What confuses me is the "declined to press charges" bit. Doesn't the state press charges against violent criminals? What does the individual have to do with it?Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Hangnail Hans
“What confuses me is the “declined to press charges” bit. Doesn’t the state press charges against violent criminals? What does the individual have to do with it?”
If the victim refuses to cooperate voluntarily it can be difficult to make a case. With regard to the linked story the prosecutor would have to force the victim to show up for the trial, be prepared to grant him immunity if he pled the fifth and then hope the victim doesn’t say something like he was so high on drugs at the time that he doesn’t really remember what happened. It can be done and sometimes is in domestic abuse situations but prosecutors tend to prefer easy cases.
The Amish in the Loop are probably from nearby Union Station. I took Metra to school and work for years and there was never a time that Union Station wasn’t filled with Amish. The seem to take trains a lot.
sadistic gleeconcern about misinformation from blue ticks that have now themselves been removed.https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1434591443855753220Replies: @Paperback Writer, @Hangnail HansRolling Stone magazine made up a story out of whole cloth, just to advance an agenda? Shocked, shocked.
https://cwbchicago.com/2021/09/carjacking-victim-refuses-to-press-charges-against-teen-who-already-has-4-armed-robbery-cases-pending.html
What confuses me is the "declined to press charges" bit. Doesn't the state press charges against violent criminals? What does the individual have to do with it?Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Hangnail Hans
The victim can refuse to testify.
“Underneath Upper Wacker, Lower Wacker, where the murderer camped out, is more Brutalist Ominous.”
And of courser Lower Lower Wacker, which shouldn’t be so slighted in the conversation. And isn’t the Wackers near the Loop? Which borders near the South Side.
Oh, the South Side, of Chicago, is the baddest part of town…
More to the point, how far in proximity from Lower and Upper Wacker is Weed Wacker? In times past the nursery riddle was how many were going to St. Ives, but perhaps in today’s parlance the more apt question is where is Weed Wacker located in relation to Upper and Lower? After all, Weed was an earlier and more prominent Wacker than either interloper.
Also you may want to revisit this ‘sentence’ from your post:
Anyone getting the most basic social science education would know that, if you have a set of observations suggesting a causal relationship, you next formulate alternative hypotheses that could explain the relationship, then make further observations, and finally identify provisionally the hypothesis most consistent with the entirety of evidence.
Not: everything is racist, there is a racial disparity, that’s racist.
The authors of this study know that their work is unscientific.
Or, I want it applied everywhere. Affirmative action for NAMs hurts gentile whites more than jews. This stands to reason. Jews have higher SAT scores and (probably) grades than Gentile whites. The students most affected by AA are disproportionally non-Jewish. Either AA should be illegal or Jews need to share the burden of affirmative action.
Come to think of it, we are gaslighted that no one is harmed by AA. So Jews, being the biggest supporters of AA, should bear the entire burden that is not a burden? Right? They would not be harmed statistically. If they don’t get into Harvard, then they can go to Princeton.
This is not a quota system for Jewish people. I’m not saying that Jews are x% of the population, so they should only be x% of students at selective schools. I’m just saying that Jews, who are the biggest boosters of AA, should not be 0% of the applicants denied admission to make room for the dumbs of the favored races.
What ever happened to conservatives and R-words who opposed affirmative action? Have the given that up in their Quixotic quest for 6% of the black vote (that’d be a 20% increase!) or have the ceded the universities to the left? I remember Michigan’s (Minnesota’s?) AA ban in the nineties. I was at Reed at the time, and a woman from some uni there came to give a talk. She was very clear that the academic powers that be really did not want to obey that law. I was young and idealistic at the time. I was shocked that educated professionals would work hard to undermine the law.
College admission is much more opaque and the applicants much less protected by law than job applicants. Though I think employers should have access to applicants SAT/ACT/GRE/MCAT/DAT scores. Hell, if we are going to have liberal fascism (I thought that was a stupid term, and did not read he book) we should have the best-run fascist state we can. The people in charge and the media have not covered themselves in glory throughout the COVID crisis. I think it’s because they aren’t very smart. Does it much matter how bright the top man is if his underlings are not bright enough to execute?
I think that’s the situation for the Dems. Of the coalition of the fringes, white women, gay men, and Jews provide the brains. Hispanics and blacks? Lol, nope. WWJ - I need a “D” word for gays (not d*ke, thats’s a slur) and then we get WWJD as an acronym for the smartyparty actual smarties. All three of those groups are better with words than they are with the physical world. Much like institutions and traditions evolving to mitigate white men’s flaws, foibles, and fuckups, these systems designed and evolved by and for white men do not work super-well for people with significantly different ways of thinking, like WWJG.
Take critical race theory and the schools. Probably because children require a lot of work from at least one parent, women are heavily on the nurture side of nature and nurture. So they are not willing to concede that some kids are naturally better at math than others. Mix that with sex and race differences in ability and interests, and the educrats in Cali eliminated advanced math in high school. Math hit every sore spot - at the high end (at minimum) boys are better than girls, mathematical ability follows Rushton’s rule, so Asians’ success disproves white juju keeping blacks dumb, smart kids (regardless of race) are a lot better at math, and the educrat females themselves were particularly bad at math, else they would not be educrats. There is no way they would tolerate that, so now every California public school student does the same math as everyone else in the state in their grade. I new some kids in high school who could sophomores who could learn math as fast as it could be taught. They did not require re-explanation or review, they could do integration by parts in their heads! I was definitely not one of them.
Y’know, in some ways tracking kids is kinder than putting everyone in the same class. Put everyone in the same class, and then the dumbs see several times an hour that their are kids way smarter than they are. Track them and they don’t get constantly humiliated.
That would not have happened if there were cultural practices and beliefs that mitigated some of women’s cognitive and psychologically differences- besides the Old Way - women out of the public sphere and women’s views and interests not mattering, except the few who were married to powerful men, and they have very different interests than everyone else. I’m only anti-feminist to the extent that feminism has promoted things that either intentionally or not led to dysgenic reproduction and fertility collapse. Hopefully work from home will allow smart women to have an easier time having work success and rising status and babies. One can dream.
Wow this comment was all over da place. If you read this far, congrats.Replies: @Anonymous
Tony L. Robinson is who Samuel Jackson would have been if he hadn’t found an acting gig. But in the spirit of science, T. Rob should have his sentence commuted and be moved into a Blackrock owned property in Wilmette.
A follow up article from Chicago on the murder says he was held without bail. I guess you have to have solid evidence before Chicago will hold a murderer. https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/6/26/22551535/tony-robinson-anat-kimchi-charged-fatally-stabbing-maryland-grad-student-in-the-loop
Decoding the statistics-speak: the probability of actually getting a life sentence, given that you are eligible for one (the “conditional on being eligible” bit) is not significantly greater for blacks and Hispanics than for whites (in this situation, the data actually show Hispanics are half as likely than whites to get life, and blacks just 10% more likely to get life, but the 10% increased likelihood isn’t statistically significant).
“… who tragically died after the manuscript was accepted for publication.”
Just something that happened! Not “was murdered in a random attack” or anything… The adverb “ironically” would have been more fitting than “tragically”.
https://vdare.com/posts/her-name-is-anat-kimchi-white-female-doctoral-student-researching-disparity-in-probation-sentences-randomly-murdered-by-black-male-in-chicago
https://twitter.com/vdare/status/1408232554428239872Replies: @Thomm
Hey, VDARE actually said that an Israeli Jew is white!
Stop the presses!
That is exactly the opposite of what a lot of the WN types over here assert. They are absolutely certain that Jews (especially Israeli Jews) are not white.
Goldie Hawn is as white as they come.
Karma
https://www.platingsandpairings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Kimchi-5.jpgReplies: @Bridgeport_IPA, @kaganovitch, @WJ
I can’t get enough of the stuff – add some to noodle soup for more zing. But I sympathize with those who can’t get passed the smell. In fact, I used to open up a big jar and eat right out of it if I wanted my college roommates to leave.
Does violating federal law take more intelligence, on average, than violating state law? A Frank La Salle or Charles Starkweather needs more brains and foresight than a George Floyd or these guys:
Two Men Arrested After Vehicle Search Finds Drugs in Bag Marked “Bag Full of Drugs”
I don’t mind the smell at all. It burns my lips and tongue.
And of courser Lower Lower Wacker, which shouldn't be so slighted in the conversation. And isn't the Wackers near the Loop? Which borders near the South Side.
Oh, the South Side, of Chicago, is the baddest part of town...
More to the point, how far in proximity from Lower and Upper Wacker is Weed Wacker? In times past the nursery riddle was how many were going to St. Ives, but perhaps in today's parlance the more apt question is where is Weed Wacker located in relation to Upper and Lower? After all, Weed was an earlier and more prominent Wacker than either interloper.Replies: @Mike Tre
Garfield Park, located in Chicago PD’s 1th district, has for decades been the baddest part of town. 11 almost always leads all districts in total homicides each year. It’s on the west side.
https://preparingthefuture.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/198871.jpgReplies: @Mike Tre
I may just skip Chi-Town altogether this year. Their Mayor Groot looks pretty scary...Replies: @Mike Tre
Well, as the great poet Nelson Butler Muntz once said: “When, in the sessions of sweet silent thought…”
Oh, wait, sorry, I’m mixing up my poets. Let’s try this again.
As the great poet Nelson Muntz once said: “HAH-HAW!!”
That’s more like it.
Ok, moment's over.Replies: @Anonymous, @Houston 1992, @Detroit Refugee
What was her position on reducing the sentences of Palestinians held in Israeli prisons ?
Ok, moment's over.Replies: @Anonymous, @Houston 1992, @Detroit Refugee
So she wasn’t my ally?
She didn’t have my back?
Oh well. R.I.P. lady….
What's the chance of that? Large in comparison to all alternatives.
Karma?Replies: @Alfa158, @Detroit Refugee
A little slice of Karma. Just desserts.
I still don’t understand this.
I see they set whites to the constant 1.0 on everything so Hispanics and blacks can be compared to them.
But how does “theoretical possibility” differ from “eligible for a life sentence under sentencing guidelines”?
Are they saying that you can get a life sentence via two routes: (1) sentencing guidelines, or (2) judges who ignore sentencing guidelines and give blacks life sentences anyway? And if so, is this illegal and could it be appealed? Is so, why isn’t it? If not, then what are the factors that judges can and do consider when throwing the book at blacks, and are those factors reasonable?
Not: everything is racist, there is a racial disparity, that's racist.
The authors of this study know that their work is unscientific.Replies: @Rob
I would really like the now “conservative” Supreme Court to take some case – perhaps of the Mexican felon is not to be prosecuted for illegal re-entry, because the judge said the people who made the law did not think highly of Mexicans – and rule that “disparate impact” is not a thing that exists in American law and justice. Showing a difference does not show discrimination. It could be due to different behaviors by individuals in the two groups.
Or, I want it applied everywhere. Affirmative action for NAMs hurts gentile whites more than jews. This stands to reason. Jews have higher SAT scores and (probably) grades than Gentile whites. The students most affected by AA are disproportionally non-Jewish. Either AA should be illegal or Jews need to share the burden of affirmative action.
Come to think of it, we are gaslighted that no one is harmed by AA. So Jews, being the biggest supporters of AA, should bear the entire burden that is not a burden? Right? They would not be harmed statistically. If they don’t get into Harvard, then they can go to Princeton.
This is not a quota system for Jewish people. I’m not saying that Jews are x% of the population, so they should only be x% of students at selective schools. I’m just saying that Jews, who are the biggest boosters of AA, should not be 0% of the applicants denied admission to make room for the dumbs of the favored races.
What ever happened to conservatives and R-words who opposed affirmative action? Have the given that up in their Quixotic quest for 6% of the black vote (that’d be a 20% increase!) or have the ceded the universities to the left? I remember Michigan’s (Minnesota’s?) AA ban in the nineties. I was at Reed at the time, and a woman from some uni there came to give a talk. She was very clear that the academic powers that be really did not want to obey that law. I was young and idealistic at the time. I was shocked that educated professionals would work hard to undermine the law.
College admission is much more opaque and the applicants much less protected by law than job applicants. Though I think employers should have access to applicants SAT/ACT/GRE/MCAT/DAT scores. Hell, if we are going to have liberal fascism (I thought that was a stupid term, and did not read he book) we should have the best-run fascist state we can. The people in charge and the media have not covered themselves in glory throughout the COVID crisis. I think it’s because they aren’t very smart. Does it much matter how bright the top man is if his underlings are not bright enough to execute?
I think that’s the situation for the Dems. Of the coalition of the fringes, white women, gay men, and Jews provide the brains. Hispanics and blacks? Lol, nope. WWJ – I need a “D” word for gays (not d*ke, thats’s a slur) and then we get WWJD as an acronym for the smartyparty actual smarties. All three of those groups are better with words than they are with the physical world. Much like institutions and traditions evolving to mitigate white men’s flaws, foibles, and fuckups, these systems designed and evolved by and for white men do not work super-well for people with significantly different ways of thinking, like WWJG.
Take critical race theory and the schools. Probably because children require a lot of work from at least one parent, women are heavily on the nurture side of nature and nurture. So they are not willing to concede that some kids are naturally better at math than others. Mix that with sex and race differences in ability and interests, and the educrats in Cali eliminated advanced math in high school. Math hit every sore spot – at the high end (at minimum) boys are better than girls, mathematical ability follows Rushton’s rule, so Asians’ success disproves white juju keeping blacks dumb, smart kids (regardless of race) are a lot better at math, and the educrat females themselves were particularly bad at math, else they would not be educrats. There is no way they would tolerate that, so now every California public school student does the same math as everyone else in the state in their grade. I new some kids in high school who could sophomores who could learn math as fast as it could be taught. They did not require re-explanation or review, they could do integration by parts in their heads! I was definitely not one of them.
Y’know, in some ways tracking kids is kinder than putting everyone in the same class. Put everyone in the same class, and then the dumbs see several times an hour that their are kids way smarter than they are. Track them and they don’t get constantly humiliated.
That would not have happened if there were cultural practices and beliefs that mitigated some of women’s cognitive and psychologically differences- besides the Old Way – women out of the public sphere and women’s views and interests not mattering, except the few who were married to powerful men, and they have very different interests than everyone else. I’m only anti-feminist to the extent that feminism has promoted things that either intentionally or not led to dysgenic reproduction and fertility collapse. Hopefully work from home will allow smart women to have an easier time having work success and rising status and babies. One can dream.
Wow this comment was all over da place. If you read this far, congrats.
So if the other two non-Jewish authors of the study are killed, will that be “justice”? Or is that justice only for the Jewish author ?
Just something that happened! Not "was murdered in a random attack" or anything... The adverb "ironically" would have been more fitting than "tragically".Replies: @Ralph L, @Nachum
It would only be ironic if he’d been released from a Federal crime, for which a life sentence was possible, before killing her. /pedant
They picked the right president to honor.
Or, I want it applied everywhere. Affirmative action for NAMs hurts gentile whites more than jews. This stands to reason. Jews have higher SAT scores and (probably) grades than Gentile whites. The students most affected by AA are disproportionally non-Jewish. Either AA should be illegal or Jews need to share the burden of affirmative action.
Come to think of it, we are gaslighted that no one is harmed by AA. So Jews, being the biggest supporters of AA, should bear the entire burden that is not a burden? Right? They would not be harmed statistically. If they don’t get into Harvard, then they can go to Princeton.
This is not a quota system for Jewish people. I’m not saying that Jews are x% of the population, so they should only be x% of students at selective schools. I’m just saying that Jews, who are the biggest boosters of AA, should not be 0% of the applicants denied admission to make room for the dumbs of the favored races.
What ever happened to conservatives and R-words who opposed affirmative action? Have the given that up in their Quixotic quest for 6% of the black vote (that’d be a 20% increase!) or have the ceded the universities to the left? I remember Michigan’s (Minnesota’s?) AA ban in the nineties. I was at Reed at the time, and a woman from some uni there came to give a talk. She was very clear that the academic powers that be really did not want to obey that law. I was young and idealistic at the time. I was shocked that educated professionals would work hard to undermine the law.
College admission is much more opaque and the applicants much less protected by law than job applicants. Though I think employers should have access to applicants SAT/ACT/GRE/MCAT/DAT scores. Hell, if we are going to have liberal fascism (I thought that was a stupid term, and did not read he book) we should have the best-run fascist state we can. The people in charge and the media have not covered themselves in glory throughout the COVID crisis. I think it’s because they aren’t very smart. Does it much matter how bright the top man is if his underlings are not bright enough to execute?
I think that’s the situation for the Dems. Of the coalition of the fringes, white women, gay men, and Jews provide the brains. Hispanics and blacks? Lol, nope. WWJ - I need a “D” word for gays (not d*ke, thats’s a slur) and then we get WWJD as an acronym for the smartyparty actual smarties. All three of those groups are better with words than they are with the physical world. Much like institutions and traditions evolving to mitigate white men’s flaws, foibles, and fuckups, these systems designed and evolved by and for white men do not work super-well for people with significantly different ways of thinking, like WWJG.
Take critical race theory and the schools. Probably because children require a lot of work from at least one parent, women are heavily on the nurture side of nature and nurture. So they are not willing to concede that some kids are naturally better at math than others. Mix that with sex and race differences in ability and interests, and the educrats in Cali eliminated advanced math in high school. Math hit every sore spot - at the high end (at minimum) boys are better than girls, mathematical ability follows Rushton’s rule, so Asians’ success disproves white juju keeping blacks dumb, smart kids (regardless of race) are a lot better at math, and the educrat females themselves were particularly bad at math, else they would not be educrats. There is no way they would tolerate that, so now every California public school student does the same math as everyone else in the state in their grade. I new some kids in high school who could sophomores who could learn math as fast as it could be taught. They did not require re-explanation or review, they could do integration by parts in their heads! I was definitely not one of them.
Y’know, in some ways tracking kids is kinder than putting everyone in the same class. Put everyone in the same class, and then the dumbs see several times an hour that their are kids way smarter than they are. Track them and they don’t get constantly humiliated.
That would not have happened if there were cultural practices and beliefs that mitigated some of women’s cognitive and psychologically differences- besides the Old Way - women out of the public sphere and women’s views and interests not mattering, except the few who were married to powerful men, and they have very different interests than everyone else. I’m only anti-feminist to the extent that feminism has promoted things that either intentionally or not led to dysgenic reproduction and fertility collapse. Hopefully work from home will allow smart women to have an easier time having work success and rising status and babies. One can dream.
Wow this comment was all over da place. If you read this far, congrats.Replies: @Anonymous
If you apply AA quotas to Jews so that they are no more than 2% of any existing top school, it will not affect Jews in the least. Why? They will immediately make their own better schools. They have the funds. Diplomas from the Ivy League do not confer intelligence. And if you do not let the Jews go to school at all, they will go into business. And if you do not let them do either, they will go to Israel and do both.
https://www.platingsandpairings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Kimchi-5.jpgReplies: @Bridgeport_IPA, @kaganovitch, @WJ
Kimchi is cruel and unusual punishment. Waterboarding with spices.
And your Lutefisk is chopped liver? Waterboarding with lye!
And your Lutefisk is chopped liver? Waterboarding with lye!Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar
Some Koreans could floor an Italian with their garlic breath. One almost did me.
Why would they need a moment of silence?
And your Lutefisk is chopped liver? Waterboarding with lye!Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar
BTW, we pushed our son to sign up for a foreign language at his online school this semester. He chose Swedish. Helig ko!
First Erderly and now this. Rolling Stone editors must be proud.
Stop the presses!
That is exactly the opposite of what a lot of the WN types over here assert. They are absolutely certain that Jews (especially Israeli Jews) are not white.Replies: @Pericles, @WJ
Whiteness is more complex than you think, Sanjay.
Then why didn’t they do so in the past? California, New York, and Pennsylvania each have more than twice as many Catholic colleges as the US has Jewish ones. Massachusetts, Illinois, Wisconsin, close to the same number.
Just something that happened! Not "was murdered in a random attack" or anything... The adverb "ironically" would have been more fitting than "tragically".Replies: @Ralph L, @Nachum
Yeah, that struck me too. They couldn’t even give her the dignity of being honest about what happened to her??
LaFree said Kimchi had a particularly strong interest in fair treatment issues involving offenders and criminal suspects and had recently published her own research on criminal case processing.
“Obviously a huge tragedy, but also a certain amount of irony in the situation when you’re studying this issue that cost you your life.”
https://pantagraph.com/news/state-and-regional/crime-and-courts/maryland-graduate-student-killed-in-loop-stabbing-described-as-a-brilliant-criminology-researcher/article_b76442fa-a0a5-5a9d-a3b7-cc7d74387452.htmlReplies: @Nachum
I might think that this would indicate that the professor is (almost certainly secretly) un-Woke and realizes what a crock this is, but it’s more likely he- and probably even her, in her last minutes- is thinking, “Oh, if only her work had succeeded this wouldn’t have happened.” Delusion can be powerful.
This may come as a shock, but *not all Jews think alike.* And not all are out for the best for the Jewish people. An Israeli (not clear how long, if at all, she ever actually lived in Israel) living in the US and deep in academia, all concerned for black criminals, is almost certainly one of those who sympathizes with the Palestinians and wants them all free and in charge. And most Israelis, who have little sympathy for the Palestinians, have similar feelings for American criminals. (A bigger wonder is the type of American who would otherwise spare not a thought for the Palestinians except as a way to get at the…you know.)
The other two weren’t killed. But when middle-class white gentile criminology grads are killed by their dangerous pets, we do take note.
https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-is-anat-kimchi-white-female-doctoral-student-researching-disparity-in-probation-sentences-randomly-murdered-by-black-male-in-chicago/#comment-4742520
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_London_Bridge_stabbing
“In Pakistan, publication of Khan’s Pakistani origins by the leading newspaper Dawn were deemed unpatriotic and defamatory, and led to demonstrations demanding that the publisher and the editor be hanged”
Lincoln Park, (Linkin Park) is also on the West Side. Wonder where MLK Boulevard is in Chi Town? West Side? Or South Side?
They’re trying to make it illegal to uphold the civil rights of whites who defend themselves against black assailants. It’s working.
Good riddance
If you are talking about the Arbery case one of the men was former law enforcement. Cops have privileges that ordinary citizens (even former cops) do not. That said the indictment of DA seems thin, DAs have to foul up pretty bad to be criminally liable.Replies: @D guy jjjjj
It doesn’t matter how thin the case, they just need jurors to vote for conviction – they’re out there waiting
https://preparingthefuture.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/198871.jpgReplies: @Mike Tre
Garfield Blvd ( South 55th St.) runs east/west along the northern Englewood neighborhood border. Englewood is always a top 5 shootsiest neighborhood in Chicago. Bernie Mac among some other somewhat famous negroes grew up there.
It was a Juneteenth celebration that just got a little out of hand. Mostly peaceful though.
OTOH, people in Rwanda getting their heads cut off with 2-dollar machetes driven by primate muscles were more likely to be black than white.
So, disparate impact!
What can one do.
Stop the presses!
That is exactly the opposite of what a lot of the WN types over here assert. They are absolutely certain that Jews (especially Israeli Jews) are not white.Replies: @Pericles, @WJ
Some Jews are white. Some are black like Sammie Davis Jr. It is a religion not a race but some Jews chose to identify as non-white, see Mike Wallace interview with Morgan Freeman. Freeman refer to “you white people” and Wallace says “I’m not white, I’m Jewish”.
Goldie Hawn is as white as they come.
https://www.platingsandpairings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Kimchi-5.jpgReplies: @Bridgeport_IPA, @kaganovitch, @WJ
When I was in South Korea you could smell the kimchi stink on the breath of every citizen from 6 feet away. Nasty stuff.
All that about the differences between Upper and Lower Wacker Drive and no mention of The Blues Brothers? At one point, Dan Aykroyd goes on and about it.
They started to (Brandeis University) and then the colleges opened up post war. Does anyone seriously believe not going to Harvard or Yale stops an intelligent person from achieving something? Jews are wealthy as a group and have given enormous amounts to various schools, business schools, med schools etc. This may be one reason why colleges like them. Do you believe if THEIR children were excluded from med school, they would not simply found a med school and staff it with Jewish professors?
Anat Kimchi’s “research”, which makes the banal claim that blacks are punished more severely than whites, is insidious because it is the sort of thing that gets cited by left/liberal judges in their rulings.
That is not mere speculation. A few years ago, a Ninth Circuit judge, in his pro-gun control opinion, cited the book _Arming America_. _Arming America_ is a now discredited book, and from what I heard the author of that book is now working odd jobs. But when the judge wrote his opinion, _Arming America_, though criticized, was not quite considered discredited.
Supreme Court Justice Breyer, in a recent opinion supporting the CDC’s effort in forbidding apartment evictions, pulled stuff from the internet.
We recently had a Federal judge rule that an illegal immigrant who was convicted of a crime shouldn’t be deported, because most of those deported are Hispanic.
It is ironic in that Kimchi’s death might prevent her paper from being cited by a left/liberal judge looking for a rationale to reduce the punishment of a criminal. Consider this alternate reality: Kimchi didn’t get murdered. A left/liberal judge goes lighter on the punishment on a criminal, citing Kimchi’s paper. That criminal, after serving his sentence, is released and commits new crimes.
That's a perfectly fine thing for legislators to be doing. Let's figure out what's going on. Let's gather some data. Then let's see if we can create some government policies that will improve the lives of our citizens.
But for a judge, it's supposed to be "what does the law say".
And that a federal judge is ruling on apartment evictions? Geez. Clear demonstration that our Constitutional order is just gone.
Kol hakavod! as they say in Israel
Jews have been doing just that for over a century. They mostly didn’t SET UP their own universities, but they filled the ranks at state and private unis and colleges through the land, as students and faculty, largely in response to quotas at the Ivies.
I’m not a South Asian, you idiot. Anyway, VDARE says Jews are white.
Btw, Pericles, from your point of view, is it worse for you to have sex with a white man, or a mulatto woman? You already have said, in the past, that a black woman is worse, so now we have to narrow the parameters to whether a Trashionalist like you thinks a mulatto woman is a worse choice than a white man?
Answer the question.
Btw, Pericles is already a charter member of the WN hall of shame over here :
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/rainbow-ascendant/#comment-4841826
The Ashkenazi gene pool was moved ever so slightly in the right direction.
I’ll say it again, and from much personal experience: there’s no ulterior motive. These people are drinking their own KoolAide. I have no sympathy.
There are born criminals and BDP cases, but the nonsense that sent this gal down this path is taught. She looks like a decently healthy young woman and is probably reasonably intelligent. Her genes are probably just fine. Absent her pickling in minoritarian propaganda, she'd probably have made a good mom. Perhaps a bit tedious at the PTA meetings, but raising smart kids--future positive.
But she needed better advice, better guidance. Parents who'd tell her, this stuff is bullshit. Don't make a career out of telling lies about "systemic racism" to explain black crime. Other Jews and good whites spew enough of that nonsense. Find something productive to do. And most importantly find a young man, get married, start a family--the important stuff of life that will really give your life meaning and happiness.
There was a time when we understood that what popped into a young persons head--particularly a young woman's head!!!--wasn't necessarily well thought through, much less something the rest of us should pay heed to. That they were kids and lacked experience and "wisdom". (Of course, that was back when older people actually had something akin to wisdom. In damn short supply now.)
She was 31 and responsible for the course she took in life. But this was still a waste. This one, i think, not a product not of bad genes, but bad--toxic--culture.
Thanks for this tourist tip.
I may just skip Chi-Town altogether this year. Their Mayor Groot looks pretty scary…
Only go there for work now. There used to be nice places to go but the entire city is lost, afaic.
Lincoln Park in Chicago is on the north side, unless I’m missing a subtlety in your comment. MLK Jr. Dr. is on the southeast side, and it’s as every bit as bad as you’d expect from start to finish.
I may just skip Chi-Town altogether this year. Their Mayor Groot looks pretty scary...Replies: @Mike Tre
My wife and I used to get a few romantic overnight getaways a year in the River North area. We stopped about 5 years ago. I also used to take my older daughter to a few Cubs games each season but stopped after I was “bumped into” by a young honor student on Waveland Ave.
Only go there for work now. There used to be nice places to go but the entire city is lost, afaic.
Sleazy stuff.
I don’t know whether Arbery was just out jogging, curious about the house or getting water or was casing the joint. And i think the white guys were unwise to get in front of Arbery rather than just keep following him till the cops arrived. (We have cops for precisely this purpose.)
But the bottom line here is Arbery attacked a man carrying a shotgun. Which is
a) stone cold stupid
b) his fault
and–worth considering–
c) the sort of action you are more likely to get in that situation when you tell blacks for 50 years that whitey is just chomping a the bit to lynch them (when in fact these guys wanted him to stop and the cops to arrest him)
I’ll say it again, and from much personal experience: there’s no ulterior motive. These people are drinking their own KoolAide. I have no sympathy.Replies: @AnotherDad
I appreciate this view. But i still find this sad.
There are born criminals and BDP cases, but the nonsense that sent this gal down this path is taught. She looks like a decently healthy young woman and is probably reasonably intelligent. Her genes are probably just fine. Absent her pickling in minoritarian propaganda, she’d probably have made a good mom. Perhaps a bit tedious at the PTA meetings, but raising smart kids–future positive.
But she needed better advice, better guidance. Parents who’d tell her, this stuff is bullshit. Don’t make a career out of telling lies about “systemic racism” to explain black crime. Other Jews and good whites spew enough of that nonsense. Find something productive to do. And most importantly find a young man, get married, start a family–the important stuff of life that will really give your life meaning and happiness.
There was a time when we understood that what popped into a young persons head–particularly a young woman’s head!!!–wasn’t necessarily well thought through, much less something the rest of us should pay heed to. That they were kids and lacked experience and “wisdom”. (Of course, that was back when older people actually had something akin to wisdom. In damn short supply now.)
She was 31 and responsible for the course she took in life. But this was still a waste. This one, i think, not a product not of bad genes, but bad–toxic–culture.
That is not mere speculation. A few years ago, a Ninth Circuit judge, in his pro-gun control opinion, cited the book _Arming America_. _Arming America_ is a now discredited book, and from what I heard the author of that book is now working odd jobs. But when the judge wrote his opinion, _Arming America_, though criticized, was not quite considered discredited.
Supreme Court Justice Breyer, in a recent opinion supporting the CDC's effort in forbidding apartment evictions, pulled stuff from the internet.
We recently had a Federal judge rule that an illegal immigrant who was convicted of a crime shouldn't be deported, because most of those deported are Hispanic.
It is ironic in that Kimchi's death might prevent her paper from being cited by a left/liberal judge looking for a rationale to reduce the punishment of a criminal. Consider this alternate reality: Kimchi didn't get murdered. A left/liberal judge goes lighter on the punishment on a criminal, citing Kimchi's paper. That criminal, after serving his sentence, is released and commits new crimes.Replies: @AnotherDad
That Breyer is out looking for random data to figure out the right policy is the gist of the problem.
That’s a perfectly fine thing for legislators to be doing. Let’s figure out what’s going on. Let’s gather some data. Then let’s see if we can create some government policies that will improve the lives of our citizens.
But for a judge, it’s supposed to be “what does the law say”.
And that a federal judge is ruling on apartment evictions? Geez. Clear demonstration that our Constitutional order is just gone.
If the victim refuses to cooperate voluntarily it can be difficult to make a case. With regard to the linked story the prosecutor would have to force the victim to show up for the trial, be prepared to grant him immunity if he pled the fifth and then hope the victim doesn't say something like he was so high on drugs at the time that he doesn't really remember what happened. It can be done and sometimes is in domestic abuse situations but prosecutors tend to prefer easy cases.Replies: @Paperback Writer
Thanks. But from what you and the other commenter are saying, this is yet another case of empty journalese, in fact, not empty, but misleading. The state can press charges but the victim is refusing to cooperate. It’s simply wrong to imply that the victim is refusing to press charges.
Most journalists are dummies who just mumble journalese.
She came from the deserts of Israel and got her just deserts here.
Two Men Arrested After Vehicle Search Finds Drugs in Bag Marked "Bag Full of Drugs"Replies: @Batman
No, not really.
There is an incredible amount of overlap between most state crimes and federal crimes. For example, wire fraud is literally just using the wires (i.e. a cell phone, the internet) while you deprive someone of property with a false statement. The joke my criminal law professor told us in law school is that if you crank call a friend, telling them that there’s going to be a surprise birthday party at a location when there really isn’t, the telephone call is a sufficient wires hook for federal jurisdiction, and the gas and time they expend driving to the location are sufficient deprivation of property for that crank call to be wire fraud. It’s really fucking stupid.
Another good example is Derek Chauvin. The cop who took a knee on George Floyd’s neck would have been indicted on federal civil rights charges because killing a black man in America counts as depriving someone of their civil liberties. Again, it’s all really fucking stupid.
Everyone thinks of federal crimes as more serious, or intricate racketeering / money laundering / bank heist type crimes. In reality, federal crimes are 90% a function of being on the feds’ radar. You can get on the feds’ radar by committing a crime they aggressively prosecute (e.g. illegal reentry, bank robbery, terrorism) or by being a somebody they want to crush beneath the weight of the machine.
Since the subject of tall buildings has come up can I place this here: a tall “building-thing” in the lovely (when I was there decades ago) town of Arles. Astonishing.
https://www.dezeen.com/2021/03/15/luma-arles-frank-gehry-aluminium-tower-france/
https://www.dezeen.com/2021/03/15/luma-arles-frank-gehry-aluminium-tower-france/Replies: @Steve Sailer
I have several better scale models of Gehry’s Arles tower crumpled up in my recycling bin.
Libtardism can become terminal if left untreated