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From Taki’s Magazine:

Stumper: Should Trump Mention His Most Popular Issue?
Ann Coulter

October 22, 2020

In 2015, Donald J. Trump decided he was going to run for president on popular ideas. This was a stunning, historic breakthrough in American politics. He made his announcement in a speech talking about Mexican rapists, pledging to deport illegal aliens and build a wall. And the rest is history.

I’m thinking he should try it again this Thursday night.

Recall that Trump’s famous escalator speech provided any number of possible campaign themes:

Bomb ISIS!

Take their oil!

Protect our veterans!

Bring our jobs home!

Repeal Common Core!

Repeal Obamacare!

Protect the Second Amendment!

Make China pay!

Concealed carry!

But that’s not what the crowds chanted. They certainly weren’t chanting “Reform Social Security!” or “Protect Ukraine’s national sovereignty!” No, the slogan that inspired a million T-shirts, chalk etchings, replicas and hashtags was: Build the wall!

Month after month, at every rally, whenever Trump mentioned the wall, the crowds went wild. It was Trump’s one surefire standing ovation, his “Free Bird” at a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert. Even before Trump would take the stage, his supporters would start the chant: “BUILD THE WALL!” …

The media claimed Trump’s popularity was just a cult of personality, but the one thing most voters weren’t wild about was his personality. Unfortunately, Trump may be the only person who actually believes the fake news on this. He seems to think that what drove him to a stunning upset victory in 2016 was that the public just adores the big lunk!

Rough estimate of topics in the typical Trump campaign speech, 2020:

40 minutes: Re-living 2016 election night

20 minutes: His experience with COVID — he’s better than ever!

15 minutes: Insults Biden, Kamala, the media

20 minutes: Brags about his crowd size and how his fans LOVE him (they never loved Reagan like this!)

0 minutes: Biden’s massively unpopular promise to amnesty illegal aliens and halt deportations on his “first day in office.”

Mass immigration is a huge boon for Democrats. It gives them lots of new voters. That’s immigrants’ primary skill: voting. We’ve become the country feared by John C. Calhoun, divided into people who work for a living and people who vote for a living.

Not only do Democrats need the votes, but their blind hatred of Everything Trump, means they are wedded to this ridiculously unpopular policy.

I have an idea! Why not make Biden talk about it?

 
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  1. Building a wall would be great. But as a practical matter, there are already enough non-Whites in America that if forced integration continues, the White population will be swamped. Less than 50% of children born in this country are White.

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It’s the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don’t have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    • Replies: @IHTG
    @RichardTaylor


    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it.
     
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/white-population-percentage#chart
    , @Guy De Champlagne
    @RichardTaylor

    What's the point of the lowest status, least educated, poorest whites (the only ones willing to embrace racism) walling themselves off? A wall that won't stop what wealth and human capital they do manage to create from just being appropriated anyway.

    The US needs partition. And then if the two sides end up performing the way they probably will, white people need to strike back with a vengeance in a generation or two

    , @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    , @Anonymous
    @RichardTaylor

    As a practical matter, only white people are denied segregation. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, they all have their own areas when they want them.

    Why can’t white people have the same rights as everyone else?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @AnotherDad
    @RichardTaylor


    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It’s the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don’t have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?
     
    To answer your last question, without the right to discriminate you are not free.

    Freedom of association, the right to say "no", is at the root of all freedom. It is so fundamental, that i honestly believe our founders simply never conceived that they needed to write it down. They wrote down abuses that they had seen--like the government forcing you to quarter their troops or taking your property. But they simply did not conceive of the government saying "Oh, you must rent to Mohammed" or "You must bake a cake for Bruce".

    Replies: @Rob McX

    , @Neoconned
    @RichardTaylor

    Some black identarian types want an African-American independent state in the Deep South where 90%+ would be forced by law to live. I don't advocate such a policy but i do find it interesting....

  2. Given how childish MSM has become with the outright lying, spinning, deceptive presentation of video etc., it wouldn’t surprise me if the debate went like this:

    Moderator: “Question to Orange Man Bad: How do you defend your handling of the COVID pandemic?”
    [Moderator mutes Trump’s microphone ]
    Moderator: “OK, Orange man had no response, over to you Joe…”
    Moderator: “Joe, pick any university you would like to claim that you attended…”
    Joe: “Uh..Thursday. Listen skinny, have you ever been a Caucus?”

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Aardvark

    If the mute button isn't enough she'll be going to electroshock

    , @Pop Warner
    @Aardvark

    (to Trump): "Why are you so evil?"
    (to Biden): "Why is Trump so evil?"

  3. Nah, politicians need new lies. Otherwise even those gullible enough to vote might figure out that it’s just a Red v Blue puppet show.

    • Agree: Neoconned
  4. She’s not wrong.

    • Agree: Neoconned, Redman
    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    @slumber_j

    Well she is wrong in her "0 minutes" claim. I've been watching Trump's rallies and he HAS been talking about immigration. He mentions the Democrat debate where all the candidates raised their hand on free healthcare for illegals, and Joe put his hand up last, succumbing to peer pressure.

    Ann's got TDS but from the right. She still claims no wall has been built.

    https://youtu.be/j7YNSbz2LEI

  5. Steve, any thoughts on the rumors about Hunter Biden’s dalliances with his 14-year-old niece?

    Papa Joe knew about the allegations – Hunter himself told him about them. If there’s any truth to them, then Our Next President(TM) might very well be a party to stautory rape.

    They nailed Joe Pa (of Penn State fame) for knowing about but not telling the police about the crimes of Jerry Sandusky; is Joe Bidin’ (His Time ‘til the Election) next?

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend. Is America ready for a president who stands idly by while his son has a fling with his other son’s daughter?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Stan Adams

    We can cross that bridge if it ever materializes, but that is such a low blow that, unless there's irrefutable proof, then I don't know why any decent person would even mention it. There is enough to nail them to the wall that we don't have to resort to completely unsubstantiated allegations of extreme criminal sexual deviance

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    , @Anon
    @Stan Adams

    If Joe had ratted on his kid, it would have killed his own career too. No one votes for a pedo's father.

    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad's example.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

    , @BB753
    @Stan Adams

    "Is America ready for a president who stands idly by while his son has a fling with his other son’s daughter?"

    Yes, America is ready. And Papa Joe might not have stood idly by, given his preferences, if you get my drift....
    Aa a country, America is degenerate enough to vote for anybody who will hand out free stuff to them.

    , @ScarletNumber
    @Stan Adams


    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend.
     
    No, she wasn't.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

  6. Well there’s no use crying
    Over every mistake.
    You just keep on trying
    Til you run out of cake.

    So the science gets done
    And you make a neat gun
    For the people who are
    Still alive.

    Now these points of data
    Make a beautiful line.
    And we’re out of beta,
    We’re releasing on time.

    So I’m G.L.A.D. that I got burned,
    Think of all the things we learned,
    For the people who are
    Still alive.

    And believe me, I am
    Still alive.
    I’m doing science and I’m
    Still alive.
    Still alive.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    https://youtu.be/Y6ljFaKRTrI

    Not sure how it relates, but let's play it again.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  7. Ann Coulter should try to literally sit on Donald – “he is like a sofa” (Ann Coulter) – Trump. Maybe that would help.

  8. Everyone knows the answer. Jared won’t let Trump go there.

  9. Since when were Republicans were for walls?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @The Alarmist


    Since when were Republicans were for walls?
     
    That was the equivalent of a wall to keep us out of Mexico. ¡Inténtalo de nuevo, señor!
    , @RichardTaylor
    @The Alarmist

    Walls to keep people imprisoned(like the old USSR) are fundamentally different than walls to protect from invaders. Communists built walls to force people to stay. We must build them to keep from being swamped by a billion who want to move here.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @The Alarmist

    , @Anon
    @The Alarmist

    1) The wall is equivalent to a defense expenditure. If we actually built the whole 2,000 miles it would probably cost the equivalent of two fully armed aircraft carriers, tops. The United States Navy has 13 carriers.

    2) The actual name of the Berlin Wall was the Antifascist Protection Rampart. Antifascist...get it? Once upon a time if you searched Wikipedia for the Berlin Wall, in fact, it would redirect you to an article with the official name. But now, after the rise of Antifa, Wikipedia calls it the Berlin Wall and it is locked for editing.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  10. California is the pipeline for massive numbers of illegal imigrants. California loves to brag that they have the fifth largest economy in the world. Cool, they also lead the nation in people living in poverty and last I looked their schools were ranked 45th and their unemployment was top five.Thousands living on the streets, millions of acres of forrest burned or burning and rolling power blackouts. Those are billboard numbers, but apparently something in the dwindling water supply causes Californians to keep voting liberal. So, apparently, nothing Trump could say would sway these people.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Buffalo Joe

    California won't stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch's dream!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @res

  11. @RichardTaylor
    Building a wall would be great. But as a practical matter, there are already enough non-Whites in America that if forced integration continues, the White population will be swamped. Less than 50% of children born in this country are White.

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It's the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don't have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Guy De Champlagne, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Neoconned

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it.

    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/all-states/white-population-percentage#chart

  12. Ann has been a great disappointment. She’s like so many of the eeyore’s around here who pout like little children about Trump because he couldn’t wave his hands and give them all their wishes.

    Trump actually has built almost 400 miles of wall, much of it in high-impact areas, and every inch of it built in the face of opposition from both parties, much of the judiciary and of course the media. But the eeyore’s never take this into account.

    In some sense I agree. Trump ought to be like Obama — just declare whatever unconstitutional thing he wants to do, and do it. But everyone rolled over for Obama, whereas they fight Trump tooth and nail. And despite the constant shouting by the Left that Trump is a “dictator” or whatever, he’s actually the most procedure compliant President we’ve had in ages. Trump follows the rules, often to his own detriment.

    Anyway, if Hillary had won, how much wall would you have? Zero. If Biden wins he’ll tear it down as a “gesture” and re-open all the floodgates Trump has been steadily closing (e.g. refugees at its lowest in decades ).

    Not voting for Trump in 2020 is an act of consummate stupidity.

    • Disagree: Guy De Champlagne
    • Thanks: TWS, Redneck farmer
    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Redman
    @peterike

    I agree that not voting for Trump is stupid.

    But Anne is right to be pushing for Trump to get back on message. Immigration, immigration, immigration. She's pushing her issue, and it happens to poll very well. That's what got him to the dance in the first place, but he seems to have dropped it during this campaign. In 2016, his best speeches were the ones Stephen Miller wrote that rocked the crowd. Anne's not an enemy, she's a smart critic.

    But this time around, the media (including Fox) doesn't seem to show many of Trump's rallies, or at least very much of them. TPTB at Fox do not seem to be behind him this time around. I hope we get to see a full Trump speech before the election, but I'm not counting on it.

    , @Ben tillman
    @peterike

    Getting things done is hard. Talking about the terrible things that Biden wants to get done is easy.

    He should be talking about Biden’s amnesty and the rest of the Leftist insanity Biden would visit upon us.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @peterike

    You're turning into Jack Hanson 2.0, Peter. Those who criticize Trump do it because they have been disappointed so many times, and, for a quite different reason often (as with Ann in this column), because they think he is stupidly losing this thing. We all on here want Trump to win. How could you not know that? We all on here will vote for him, or at least not for Biden.

    Trump is a blabbermouth and a bullshitter, but we realize he is on our side. The criticism is mostly valid though. He is just plain a bad executive with respect to hiring good people (like, ON HIS SIDE, for example). He has no long-term steady-going strategy, probably because he is continually and so easily distracted. I hope he has learned something from the 1st term and could do better in a 2nd. Even if he doesn't, of course, he's better than the alternative.

    Re: immigration, I pointed out a VDare article the other day with quite a bit of big-picture, overall good news from a few years, in the numbers of legal immigrants. On the wall, 400 miles sounds encouraging, but all but a few miles of that is rebuild of old border barrier. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is not 400 miles of new wall.

    I'm not watching the debate. I just have my signs, and I'm more happy to vote for him after reading that VDare article by "Washington Watcher II" from a week or so ago. OK, here it is - "NYT Delivers Unintentional Endorsement Of Trump's Immigration Triumph". If the NY Times hates his immigration policy, he is doing SOMETHING right.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @peterike

    , @Guy De Champlagne
    @peterike

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn't build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones. Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn't want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.

    And what will we have with Biden: competence, stability, sensible economic and healthcare ideas, and an antimmigration movement (and white christian males more broadly) that can see clearly what losers they are. Not enough of any of those things but way more than under Trump.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad

    , @James Braxton
    @peterike

    Writing a column is easy.

    Running a government in the face of enourmous institutional opposition from all sides is difficult.

    I think Trump did everything he could to simply hold on for four years and score victories where he could find them. On immigration this often took creativity. He ended the caravans by doing deals with the Central American nations. He effectively ended asylum with the remain in Mexico policy. He built the wall with reprogrammed military funds. He capitalized on the pandemic with a temporary immigration moratorium.

    As for bolder things like ending birthright citizenship, I think Trump knows he was on the wrong side of a 5-4 supreme court.

    What he needs to enact the full agends is a second term with something that looks like a mandate from the voters. Ann Coulter, the shrewish old maid, is not helping to make that happen.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @AndrewR
    @peterike

    Hope Trump sees this, bro

  13. Build the wall was insanely popular with… people who wanted to build the wall.

    A few exceptions for garbage white nationalists and some other assorted absolutely worthless pricks, people who care about building a wall are all locked in for Trump.

    • Troll: fish
  14. Maybe Joe should come clean about the organized crime racket he’s been running ….junky son as bag man….no cannoli for you.

  15. It seems when Trump isn’t talking about the wall is when it gets done.

    • Agree: Kronos
  16. @Buffalo Joe
    California is the pipeline for massive numbers of illegal imigrants. California loves to brag that they have the fifth largest economy in the world. Cool, they also lead the nation in people living in poverty and last I looked their schools were ranked 45th and their unemployment was top five.Thousands living on the streets, millions of acres of forrest burned or burning and rolling power blackouts. Those are billboard numbers, but apparently something in the dwindling water supply causes Californians to keep voting liberal. So, apparently, nothing Trump could say would sway these people.

    Replies: @BB753

    California won’t stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch’s dream!

    • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
    @BB753

    BB73, don't know how anyone could disagree with you.

    , @res
    @BB753


    California won’t stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch’s dream!
     
    What numbers do you see? According to the World Bank the US has had a higher GINI index than India for decades.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/gini-index
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/india/indicator/SI.POV.GINI

    For more perspective, here is an ordered list by country.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings

    And here are the states.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states. And then there is DC...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753

  17. The most popular chant of Trump era was “lock her up”, not whatever else I see here. Circa 2017, Trump said that, when crowds phase out, he wakes them up with “lock her up”. But he also said “you don’t need to say that anymore”. How is that lockey thing working for you?

    Most Americans work less because of the foreigners. There ‘s a visa program for washing the toilets in your hotels, and a visa program for minding your mentally disabled children. American voters conflate the smiling waitress with the Somali “victim of war”. They are, for the most part, segregated from the Mexicans who pick your food, but assume the helots are all good people.

    2016 was something personal against a white woman, something that has no equivalent against the current Democrat team. Lacking the smallest of preservation instincts, Americans will vote for a Gypsy woman who never worked.

    I thought that the most outrageous thing about Biden is his use of the imperial office for fleecing the colonies, at a personal level. A Romanian billionaire paid Hunter to help him get out of an unavoidable jail sentence. Hunter came to Bucharest once, and passed the buck to Giuliani. (His nemesis, right?) Giuliani wrote a letter to the president of Romania, and that was it. Eventually, the billionaire was sentenced to 7 years of jail, and the state confiscated 500 acres illegally acquired, in the best place in the country. The place hosts the new US embassy, because more greasing was attempted and more greasing was taken.

    In the end, the billionaire has escaped to London, where a bribe actually gets things done. To bribe Hunter is seemingly immoral; to pay Hunter to do nothing seems worse.

  18. Steve is 100% correct. Trump was elected to restrict immigration and should be pounding in this issue again, forcing Biden to defend amnesty.

    He should Push for immigration reform to eliminate the Diversity visa and eliminate the H1B visa program. These two issue are extremely popular with Americans. Force Biden to defend the diversity visa program and his opposition to building a wall to protect our borders.

    He should attack the H1B visa program highlight that if diversity is so great, why are 100% of the visa recipients from Asia? Why is are the big tech firms discriminating. This is racist, It needs to be reformed or ended. Why are 90% of the H1B visa recipients men ? This is sexist. We need to reform the H1b visa allocation process- no nation gets more than 10% of the visas. Females must get 50% of the limited number of H1B visas we issue.

    by forcing the leftist to own up to their diversity standards we can destroy the benefits of this poorly designed program and highlight the hypocrisy of the big tech firms which are always promoting diversity. Also highlight that we cannot keep these programs going during the pandemic. We need to pause all Immigration until the pandemic is over. No more H1B visas until the pandemic ends. President Trump implemented a freeze on granting H1B visas to applicants overseas until the end of this year. He should state he will continue this policy thru 2021 due to the Pandemic

    • Agree: Ben tillman, AnotherDad
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Travis

    Your point about the hypocrisy of "diversity" and the actual H1B visas--overwhelmingly men, overwhelmingly Asian, mostly Indian--is a good quip.

    Trump could do a whole lot for himself, if he could for once clearly relate immigration--the H1B--to diminished opportunities for HS and college graduates--and then promise to fight like hell to make sure American kids get American jobs.

  19. @RichardTaylor
    Building a wall would be great. But as a practical matter, there are already enough non-Whites in America that if forced integration continues, the White population will be swamped. Less than 50% of children born in this country are White.

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It's the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don't have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Guy De Champlagne, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Neoconned

    What’s the point of the lowest status, least educated, poorest whites (the only ones willing to embrace racism) walling themselves off? A wall that won’t stop what wealth and human capital they do manage to create from just being appropriated anyway.

    The US needs partition. And then if the two sides end up performing the way they probably will, white people need to strike back with a vengeance in a generation or two

  20. The situation is too fluid, even for Ann.

    In the meantime, I think we should all remember a quote from Obama back in the day, “there’s nothing that Biden can’t fuck up,” and for the next 5 minutes, everyone should learn how to say “Bobulinski.”

    • Replies: @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    I tried it already, and it sounded just like Bo Belinsky, which is a problem if you’re talking to baseball fans over a certain age.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  21. The debate moderator will give Trump the Ron Paul treatment:

    Mr. Biden: Do you think that President Trump should have been removed from office after he was caught on tape threatening Ukraine?

    The next question is for President Trump. Mr. Trump, do you believe in Martians?
    ———

    Trump should pay no attention to the grenade-questions sure to be coming his way, and within his two-minute allotments, give speeches about the matters he does want to talk about.

    • Agree: Ben tillman, Old Prude
  22. OT, but I just remembered that they are hosting the Masters Tournament at Augusta National, November 12-15. The only tournament my wife watches with me. I am wondering what homage, if any, Augusta National will pay to blm? Will we see the letters blm mowed into the rough? Players wearing George Floyd’s name on their caps, or shoes? I’m guessing that since they didn’t bend under the weight of a feminist protest, they will ingore the topic completely, but this will be just weeks post election.

    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @Buffalo Joe

    Don't they first need to drop "Masters" as the tourney name? It's redolent of the plantation and patriarchy.

    , @Barnard
    @Buffalo Joe

    Roger Goodell, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are all Augusta National members, I wonder if any of them pushed for it. The Masters has always excluded promoting anything other the golf course and the tournament, so it would be shocking if they even mentioned anything BLM related on air. The PGA Tour has dialed it back considerably since June as well.

    , @Lagertha
    @Buffalo Joe

    Augusta National is a private org. So, no. Some things are still rational.

  23. There’s a ring of finality to Steve’s headline that points beyond 2020.

    • Agree: El Dato
  24. The lovable but hopelessly naive Ann Coulter should realize by now that men like Trump will always let her down, no matter how many gushing fan-girl books she writes to glorify or worship them.

    To Trump, Ann is just an ugly, anorexic horseface whose only use is that she can convince a few more dumbass conservatives to vote for a jackass scumbag like himself.

    I find Ann entertaining and sympathize with her racist fears of being of being swamped by jihadists, blacks and Mexicans.

    Trouble is, America never belonged to the “whites”, it belonged to the native Red Indians until the whites cheated them out of their land used genocidal policies to slowly exterminate them.

    So if whites have fears of being “replaced”, that’s just sadshit for them because that’s what they did to the native Red Indians.

    Whites, particularly those in the US(which has a country IQ of abt 90), need to accept that they are not and have never been an exceptional or superior race or culture, except in their own little delusions.

    Whites need to learn to live with other races and cultures in a peaceful and non-elitist way.

    My final advice to Ann is to simply join the enemy she cannot beat, ie Ann should “go black’ and experience the astral nirvana of having relations with black and asian men other than those who think and look like Ted “reptilian” Cruz, Tom”microcaephalic”Cotton, and Marco “sweaty” Rubio.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @GreatSocialist


    Trouble is, America never belonged to the “whites”, it belonged to the native Red Indians until the whites cheated them out of their land used genocidal policies to slowly exterminate them.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfxQulwF0cM

    Also, only a degenerate would use this as an invitation to redo the whole thing on the descendants of the invaders, instead of a warning.
    , @Lace
    @GreatSocialist

    Is that a joke? It's certainly a poorly phrased and repulsive one if it is. Of course whites are superior, and something or other "owned the land mass we call the U.S. or 'America'" before the Indians stole it from them. I don't know if they were Stone Age types or just buffalo.

    Oh yeah, the Indians had such a great culture. So the English are the ones at fault, before 'Americans' existed. They fought to keep it, and in many ways, that would have been preferable. And the English don't have as much guilt about the necessity of racism as their Anglo-American descendants do--with the whites already a mix of Dutch, then Scandinavian and German.

    Wade Davis wrote that book about Haiti, observing that voodoo was, in fact, a 'worldview' that deserved respect as such. I guess you would if you got stuck in that island of mud as he did. But you have to admit, that this superb worldview is a resplendant example that all white nations must aspire to--it's so obvious how prosperous all of Europe and the Americas would be if they had.

    , @Buffalo Joe
    @GreatSocialist

    GS, The Europeans also raised the Red Indians out of the stone age in years, not centuries. The Red Indians loved to savage, rape, torture, kidnap and kill their fellow Red Indians and did so even after they were forced onto reservations. The Tuscaroras, on their nearby reservation, are in WNY, because the Cherokee drove them out of the south. Oh, and Tiny, good use of your new Thesaurus. The final paragraph gave you away.

  25. The Last Debate

    Ever?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar


    The Last Debate
     
    Promise?

    OT: Here's what might happen if no one wins right away:

    https://americanmind.org/essays/what-happens-if-no-one-wins/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  26. We don’t need a Maginot Wall. We need a wage wall.

    • Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers
    @Reg Cæsar

    That's more or less what Ron Paul has said - change what we do that draws them here. And, of course, treat them as they'd treat us, were we to wander, uninvited, into their area.

  27. @Buffalo Joe
    OT, but I just remembered that they are hosting the Masters Tournament at Augusta National, November 12-15. The only tournament my wife watches with me. I am wondering what homage, if any, Augusta National will pay to blm? Will we see the letters blm mowed into the rough? Players wearing George Floyd's name on their caps, or shoes? I'm guessing that since they didn't bend under the weight of a feminist protest, they will ingore the topic completely, but this will be just weeks post election.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Lagertha

    Don’t they first need to drop “Masters” as the tourney name? It’s redolent of the plantation and patriarchy.

    • LOL: Buffalo Joe
  28. anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:

    Another needle Trump needs to thread carefully is how to highlight Biden’s Hell Family without Joe stroking out, Hunter killing himself, or Hunter’s 14 year old niece harming herself before the election.

    A Biden self-harming event could turn everything shitty as can be. It wouldn’t be Trump’s fault, but he would be blamed for doing the poking.

    I recall many years ago the New Yorker splashing Anna Nicole Smith on their cover under the banner of “White Trash America,” and… it’s actually still true. There’s a lot of dumb white trash out there, voting on caprice.

    Taming white trash en masse is like taming a tiger. Even if you’re skilled at it, it can still go badly. Bald-faced confidence coupled with knowing when to stay still can carry the day, when nothing else works.

    In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion Trump has more going for him than he let’s on. His active strategy is too sure-handed. He’s not flailing around like Biden. He’s got a plan, and he’s cranking it.

    As for well-to-do capricious White people… those lines of people in Newport Beach. Jesus. How did he get those people out on the street all at once? That line went on for at least half a mile. The hardest thing to do is get people who do 60 hour work weeks to take time out for political bullshit. They’re either working, sleeping, or sailing over there. The last thing people of Newport Beach want to do is stand on the side of any road with fucking political banners, for ANYbody.

    A small, but unique accomplishment. It portends to surprises to come.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @anonymous


    In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion Trump has more going for him than he let’s on. His active strategy is too sure-handed. He’s not flailing around like Biden. He’s got a plan, and he’s cranking it.
     
    People poke fun at Trump's time in WWF/WWE, but that is probably some of the best showbiz/media training he could have received to be the President of Clownmerica.

    Trump is friends with Vince McMahon, another billionaire who took WWF from a small regional wrestling promotion to an international franchise in about 10 or 15 years.

    McMahon has forgotten more about the art of misdirection than the fools on Capitol Hill will ever know.
    , @Buffalo Joe
    @anonymous

    TwoFiveFive, the Kennedys maintained upper class political status even after one of RFK sons was proven to be banging his children's 14 year old babysitter. Fourteen might not even be the lower limit for these slimeballs.

  29. Old and bitter Ann.

    We should have expected this from a childless women.

  30. @RichardTaylor
    Building a wall would be great. But as a practical matter, there are already enough non-Whites in America that if forced integration continues, the White population will be swamped. Less than 50% of children born in this country are White.

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It's the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don't have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Guy De Champlagne, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Neoconned

    Didn’t we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    "Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost?"

    Um... back when "we" had that debate, that was in a different country. You know what they say about the past. Pretty sure the Chinese had a debate about the Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace back in the 19th century, and then all of a sudden, in 1949.......

    Your flop sweat is showing, dude.

    Replies: @Jack D

    , @Stick
    @Jack D

    BLM is all about segregation. They just want segregation with affirmative action. I'm okay with segregation but not with AA.

    , @El Dato
    @Jack D

    Realistically, the future will bring much worse than apartheid.

    Only the "when" is unknown.

    , @BenKenobi
    @Jack D


    we
     
    , @Thomas
    @Jack D

    We have de facto apartheid and segregation. You just have to pay for it (enough to live in a neighborhood with "good schools"). That's been the reality in this country for 60 years.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jack D


    Didn’t we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?
     
    As Francis Bacon noted four centuries ago, the results of debates should be regularly subject to empirical verification. Segregation worked. Current attempts at integration have been tried and found wanting, badly wanting. Perhaps it's time to give segregation another chance.

    BTW, I'd bet a majority of the oppressed Boer minority in South Africa wouldn't mind a return to Apartheid. Even oppressed minority Bantu tribes in South Africa might prefer the old system to the current one.

    Replies: @Redman

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Mass immigration is a huge boon for Democrats. It gives them lots of new voters.
     
    The point he should emphasize is that the Democrats want to replace us. They want to displace us with foreigners - in our own country. They even crow about how whites are becoming a minoritiy.

    Of course, Trump will not do anything that Coulter recommends, because he's a vain, shallow blowhard.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Didn’t we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?
     
    "We"? No, I don't think "we" could do it. But it seems to work for some people:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York
    , @Ben tillman
    @Jack D

    No, we didn’t do “this debate”. Only one side got to speak 60 years ago.

    , @L. Guapo
    @Jack D

    Shouldn't you be crafting a spirited defense of Jeffrey Toobin about now?

  31. I think immigration takes a back seat to losing our liberties. America is about to elect China’s whores, Joe and Kamala

    • Replies: @anon
    @JimB

    Forget it, Jim. It’s China.

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/27/biden-center-at-upenn-under-fire-over-financial-ties-to-china/

  32. Looks like I called it, it’s DNC-CCP all the way down:

    Round these people up, charge them with treason and crimes against humanity, then punish them.

    • Agree: Lurker
    • Replies: @DextersLabRat
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Nothing will come of this just like nothing came of the Hillary emails and whatnot. Just like Snowden won't be pardoned. Just like a billion other things. Trump is useless.

  33. @Aardvark
    Given how childish MSM has become with the outright lying, spinning, deceptive presentation of video etc., it wouldn't surprise me if the debate went like this:

    Moderator: "Question to Orange Man Bad: How do you defend your handling of the COVID pandemic?"
    [Moderator mutes Trump's microphone ]
    Moderator: "OK, Orange man had no response, over to you Joe..."
    Moderator: "Joe, pick any university you would like to claim that you attended..."
    Joe: "Uh..Thursday. Listen skinny, have you ever been a Caucus?"

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Pop Warner

    If the mute button isn’t enough she’ll be going to electroshock

  34. We’ve been here before–for four years in fact:

    In Trump vs. the establishment Trump is right about pretty much everything. (Trump could have put this election away years ago–even with the Xi virus.)

    But Trump just isn’t great at either sticking to what is important nor being clear and coherent in arguing for it.

    The moderator–a black girl!–or whomever have come up with the topics and of course the want to piss on Trump on Covid and of course race, race, race and, oh, “climate change”. I.e. Democratic party talking points. (How bad is Trump’s team that they let the debate be structured like this with this moderator?)

    -Trump must be able to address Covid clearly and coherently, including denouncing the Democrats lockdown insanity and war on small business.
    -Trump must be able to explode the Democrat’s latest lie that the police are “structurally racisting” oppressing/killing blacks.
    -Trump must call out the Democrats destruction of the rule-of-law in cities this summer.
    – Trump must call out Biden’s blatant corruption–trading on the power and influence of the United States so his son can pile up millions.

    But Trump must not allow himself to be driven by the moderator or Biden.

    Trump must talk about–not what he wants to talk about in the moment, but about–his issue, the critical issue for his voters, that will make their lives better or worse–immigration.

    Specifically Trump absolutely must tie immigration to jobs, wages, housing, schools and broadly “affordable family formation”–American kids coming out of HS or college being able to get good jobs, find affordable housing with good schools and build their families and have their American Dream.

    And contrast this with the Democrats illegal immigration–for cheap labor and to have an amnesty to harvest votes–votes that Americans pay for with their taxes. Loving massive immigration again for cheap labor and more voters.

    Trump must make it clear he wants to protect the American Dream for American kids. The Demo-rats want to sell out your American Dream, your children’s American Dream to give it to foreigners who’ll vote for them.

    • Agree: Redman
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Trump can still win this thing. And a strong knockout level performance tonight would really help.

    I'm not sure anyone can prep Trump, but if his helpers are out there, some lines:

    Riots/race/rule-of-law:

    -- George Floyd overdoses on fentanyl and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to have riots, looting, cancel the rule of law and defund the police
    -- "the Biden/Harris riots"
    -- "BLM terrorism"
    -- "BLM terrorists killing police officers"
    -- Democrats unleashed their Antifa street thugs

    -- Biden/Harris Democrat mayors and governors cancelled the rule of law, and murders have--predictable--skyrocketed in Democrat cities, up 20, 30, 50%
    -- black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America
    -- the police kill 200-300 blacks in America--every year; (they kill more whites); but black criminals kill 8000 blacks every year

    -- black Americans are not in danger from the police, they are in danger from black criminals; black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America ... some whites and Asians and Hispanics, but mostly they murder other blacks
    -- if Democrats defund the police, they will unleash and even bigger wave of violence on our cities than Democrats have done this summer; people who can afford to will move out. The murder, rape, robbery wave that will follow Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police will hit poor black neighborhoods the worst.
    -- Biden/Harris want blacks to think "the cops are killing us!", so they won't notice Biden/Harris is killing their future with illegal immigration
    -- black Americans do not need Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police; blacks need what all Americans need--the rule of law--and a President that will protect their jobs, their wages from being crushed by the Biden/Harris Democrats' illegal immigration

    -- Democrats are totalitarian; if you disagree with them, they try to censor you; try to deplatform you; try to make your speech illegal; and send out their Antifa street thugs
    -- what we are seeing is the Democrats version of Mao's Cultural Revolution--they loonies set loose to attack normal productive people
    -- the Chinese are laughing at us--the Democrats did lockdowns to destroy the economy, then sent out their Antifa street thugs to riot and pledge to "defund the police". "The Cultural Revolution is in America now" is a punchline to their jokes. The are Joe's greatest cheerleader--they'll already bought him. And they know if Biden/Harris is elected America will never be great again, but fall into permanent decline.

    Replies: @Thomas, @AnotherDad, @Jack D

    , @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote:


    The moderator–a black girl!–
     
    She's actually half black (the "one-drop rule" is stupid).

    And she was not nearly as hostile to Trump, or as just plain stupid, as Chris Wallace.

    Yeah, she is biased towards the Dems. But by and large she actually let Trump speak.

    And she actually asked one question -- about the nation-wide $15/hr. minimum wage -- that put Biden is a bad light. And she did raise the Hunter laptop corruption issue, even if she devoted less attention to it than we might have liked (her colleagues are not going to be happy that she mentioned it at all).

    If most of the MSM were only as biased as Kristen Welker, we might actually have a free press.

    Besides, I could tolerate Welker as a next-door neighbor. If Chris Wallace or Jeff Toobin or Anderson Cooper or Don Lemon were my next-door neighbor, I'd be looking for a new neighborhood.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @ic1000

  35. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    “Didn’t we have this debate already and segregation lost?”

    Um… back when “we” had that debate, that was in a different country. You know what they say about the past. Pretty sure the Chinese had a debate about the Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace back in the 19th century, and then all of a sudden, in 1949…….

    Your flop sweat is showing, dude.

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

  36. @slumber_j
    She's not wrong.

    Replies: @Bragadocious

    Well she is wrong in her “0 minutes” claim. I’ve been watching Trump’s rallies and he HAS been talking about immigration. He mentions the Democrat debate where all the candidates raised their hand on free healthcare for illegals, and Joe put his hand up last, succumbing to peer pressure.

    Ann’s got TDS but from the right. She still claims no wall has been built.

  37. IF WE LIVED IN A HEALTHY NATION the BIGGEST TOPIC and discussion would be on PEDOPHILIA and the laptop and what was really on it. AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW what kind of creeps and perverts we have running the show, and robbing us blind.

    Speaking of pedophilia where the hell is the media on the Maxwell story? I saw a small clip on Maxwell on OAN this morning. This story has all but vanished, wonder why?

    • Agree: tyrone
  38. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    BLM is all about segregation. They just want segregation with affirmative action. I’m okay with segregation but not with AA.

  39. It is interesting what have not been issues in this campaign cycle, either for President or for Congress:

    1. Foreign Policy: Nothing on terrorism, Middle-East, Russia, China (other than a few obligatory badmouthing , and Covid), Nuclear weapons/proliferation, military, readiness, wars etc., etc.,

    2. National Debt, deficits, Social Security & Medicare solvency. Tax cuts/increases etc.,

    3. Immigration, illegal, legal, deportations, Wall, DACA, E-Verify etc.,

    If someone listens through debates from the last 30 years , they will think we are not only in another country, but another planet in 2020.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  40. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    Realistically, the future will bring much worse than apartheid.

    Only the “when” is unknown.

  41. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    we

  42. Ann lost her access to Trump and the White House when she told him it was a bad idea to bring Jared and Ivanka onto his staff. She has Trump dead to rights here, he thinks voters love him for his personality.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Barnard


    Ann lost her access to Trump and the White House when she told him it was a bad idea to bring Jared and Ivanka onto his staff. She has Trump dead to rights here, he thinks voters love him for his personality.
     
    Sadly, I think some of them do. Probably the same ones who watch WWE SmackDown!
  43. The problem is Trump. He is a narcissistic con artist. He betrayed his base by selling out on immigration. He makes everything about himself. But the issues that got Trump elected in 2016 aren’t going away. In this decade, we need to build a real nationalist political party to destroy the GOP.

    After being elected, Trump surrounded himself with swamp creatures. He has almost no one in in has administration who is even remotely ideologically in tune with his voters. He could have easily hired such people, he chose to hire people on the opposite side of the issues. Everything Trump says and does is tone deaf. Trump can’t keep nationalism and boomer style conservatism straight. He panders to non-whites in the most over the top, embarrassing way. The sooner Trump is out of politics, the better for real nationalism.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, Sam Malone
    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    @ATBOTL

    "The sooner Trump is out of politics, the better for real nationalism."

    Maybe so, but who is there to succeed him?

  44. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    OT Pope Francis – in his infallible wisdom – has just come out(!) in favor so called ‘homosexual marriage’, thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.

    That familiar saw ‘is the Pope catholic?’ is no longer a rhetorical statement of the stark staring obvious.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous


    OT Pope Francis – in his infallible wisdom – has just come out(!) in favor so called ‘homosexual marriage’, thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.
     
    No. Partnership, not marriage.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @HA

    , @El Dato
    @Anonymous

    The next question is whether bears shit in the woods, then.

    Why is 2020 so interesting?

    As I remember, the only special thing about it was that European broadband access was slated to be super-duper ultrafast for most of the continent's populace to usher in the information society.

    Instead of that we get things like:

    Biden breaks silence on Supreme Court packing, wants to go 'well beyond' that to overhaul entire US judicial system

    "The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."

    , @Allen
    @Anonymous

    Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage. Although Francis has once again sown confusion by his irresponsible statements, these statements do not change the official church doctrine.

    According to Catholic Answers: "A pope’s private theological opinions are not infallible; only what he solemnly defines is considered to be infallible teaching." https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility

    Thus statements by Pope Francis are not binding on the Catholic church as a whole because it is only his private opinion and not an official pronouncement based on his office.

    A Pope's statements are only binding on the church when:

    (1) they pertain to faith and morals, (2) are made in his official capacity as Pope, (3) are intended as definitive teaching (not opinion), (4) are designated as something all the church must assent to.

    It is important note that there have been Popes in the past who held outright heretical opinions, such as Pope Honorius in the seventh century. Indeed, Honorius was formally condemned about fifty years after his death at the sixth ecumenical council in 680.

    The church has survived heretical popes and it will survive Pope Francis.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

  45. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden won’t win.

    Not only is it very hard for any challenger to knock off an elected incumbent POTUS… it is nearly impossible for a former senator to do it.

    The only instance since the civil war is 1888 Benjamin Harrison (won a 3-way race and failed to win an outright majority of the vote.)

    So a senator hasn’t beaten an ELECTED incumbent president in 132 years (32 straight elections).

    Governors have done it but only twice since 1872. (Reagan is only one to win a majority of the popular vote in doing so: Clinton won a 3-way plurality. Carter beat unelected Ford.)

    These stats are not luck. Senate Stink is a thing in US politics. And the longer in the senate the worse the stink.

    Yes Biden is also former VP. But there’s little evidence that VP is an actual resume enhancer in US politics. It does not seem to take the stink off.

    Interestingly Biden is only the second VP to make a delayed run for prez (Nixon)…

    • Thanks: epebble
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Anonymous

    Interesting historical patterns. There is this pattern too:

    The longest period without a President losing a reelection, 1932-1976 (44 years), Had a death in office (FDR), Assassination (JFK) and LBJ refusing to rerun.

    Also, 1932-1976 was an unusual period in history with back to back Great Depression, WW2 and Cold War.

    1992 - 20??, If Trump wins, the earliest possible loss of reelection would be 2028, making the span at least 36 years long. That would be a historic record of stability.

  46. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    We have de facto apartheid and segregation. You just have to pay for it (enough to live in a neighborhood with “good schools”). That’s been the reality in this country for 60 years.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  47. Great great advice. After four years of being disappointed by Trump, why would tonight be any different? I expect him to piss away the opportunities by rambling and blustering over trivialities rather than pushing a focused agenda of seizing the initiative and charging to the goal. The peckerwood squandered our best chance to take our country back.

    • Agree: Mike_from_SGV
  48. Things change.

    Build the wall is not relevant now.

    BLM riots are.

    Ann is too chicken to go after blacks.

  49. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    JillJoe campaign is a tired repeat tired retread.

    Very much smells like 04 Kerry 96 Dole 84 Mondale.

    What are the mechanics behind this pattern?

    Stronger primary candidates are usually absent in election years with an incumbent potus opponent. The smart money bows out and waits for a future cycle.

    That leaves mostly desperate and/or delusional weaklings making their long shot runs. Frequently they are old senators who’ve always wanted to be prez but never had the chops.

    JillJoe is even lamer than recent old senator failed campaigns. To think that this is the guy who breaks the streak of senator vs incumbent failure going back to 1888 is preposterous.

    Watch JillJoe limp to the finish line while Trump finishes strong.

    I don’t remember Mondale but I remember Dole and Kerry finishing like tired old familiar corruptocrats. They can’t get late deciding fence sitters to break their way because old senators offer nothing but stale insider beltway politics.

  50. OT: An interesting data point for Trump’s IQ and general competence: (allegedly) his pride and joy and centerpoint of his existence on planet earth twitter account had maga2020! as the password after also getting hacked in 2016 when his password was yourefired.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/22/trump-twitter-hacked-dutch-researcher-password

  51. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    Didn’t we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    As Francis Bacon noted four centuries ago, the results of debates should be regularly subject to empirical verification. Segregation worked. Current attempts at integration have been tried and found wanting, badly wanting. Perhaps it’s time to give segregation another chance.

    BTW, I’d bet a majority of the oppressed Boer minority in South Africa wouldn’t mind a return to Apartheid. Even oppressed minority Bantu tribes in South Africa might prefer the old system to the current one.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Agree. And despite the current religious hysteria for "diversity and inclusion," don't we already have de facto segregation for the most part? At least that's how it seems in my small community north of NYC.

    When I was in college in the late 1980s, the black students self-segregated. They even all sat together at our graduation, wearing the Kente cloth scarves. It seemed quite odd at the time.

  52. Trump was elected becauae the American people wanted to be screwed by someone else other than the regular cast of characters: the democrats and republicans. He forgot that. Hopefully he can get the numbers he needs to win the election. The future though is Alexandra Ocasio Cortez and her ilk.

  53. @AnotherDad
    We've been here before--for four years in fact:

    In Trump vs. the establishment Trump is right about pretty much everything. (Trump could have put this election away years ago--even with the Xi virus.)

    But Trump just isn't great at either sticking to what is important nor being clear and coherent in arguing for it.

    The moderator--a black girl!--or whomever have come up with the topics and of course the want to piss on Trump on Covid and of course race, race, race and, oh, "climate change". I.e. Democratic party talking points. (How bad is Trump's team that they let the debate be structured like this with this moderator?)

    -Trump must be able to address Covid clearly and coherently, including denouncing the Democrats lockdown insanity and war on small business.
    -Trump must be able to explode the Democrat's latest lie that the police are "structurally racisting" oppressing/killing blacks.
    -Trump must call out the Democrats destruction of the rule-of-law in cities this summer.
    - Trump must call out Biden's blatant corruption--trading on the power and influence of the United States so his son can pile up millions.


    But Trump must not allow himself to be driven by the moderator or Biden.

    Trump must talk about--not what he wants to talk about in the moment, but about--his issue, the critical issue for his voters, that will make their lives better or worse--immigration.

    Specifically Trump absolutely must tie immigration to jobs, wages, housing, schools and broadly "affordable family formation"--American kids coming out of HS or college being able to get good jobs, find affordable housing with good schools and build their families and have their American Dream.

    And contrast this with the Democrats illegal immigration--for cheap labor and to have an amnesty to harvest votes--votes that Americans pay for with their taxes. Loving massive immigration again for cheap labor and more voters.

    Trump must make it clear he wants to protect the American Dream for American kids. The Demo-rats want to sell out your American Dream, your children's American Dream to give it to foreigners who'll vote for them.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave

    Trump can still win this thing. And a strong knockout level performance tonight would really help.

    I’m not sure anyone can prep Trump, but if his helpers are out there, some lines:

    Riots/race/rule-of-law:

    — George Floyd overdoses on fentanyl and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to have riots, looting, cancel the rule of law and defund the police
    — “the Biden/Harris riots”
    — “BLM terrorism”
    — “BLM terrorists killing police officers”
    — Democrats unleashed their Antifa street thugs

    — Biden/Harris Democrat mayors and governors cancelled the rule of law, and murders have–predictable–skyrocketed in Democrat cities, up 20, 30, 50%
    — black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America
    — the police kill 200-300 blacks in America–every year; (they kill more whites); but black criminals kill 8000 blacks every year

    — black Americans are not in danger from the police, they are in danger from black criminals; black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America … some whites and Asians and Hispanics, but mostly they murder other blacks
    — if Democrats defund the police, they will unleash and even bigger wave of violence on our cities than Democrats have done this summer; people who can afford to will move out. The murder, rape, robbery wave that will follow Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police will hit poor black neighborhoods the worst.
    — Biden/Harris want blacks to think “the cops are killing us!”, so they won’t notice Biden/Harris is killing their future with illegal immigration
    — black Americans do not need Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police; blacks need what all Americans need–the rule of law–and a President that will protect their jobs, their wages from being crushed by the Biden/Harris Democrats’ illegal immigration

    — Democrats are totalitarian; if you disagree with them, they try to censor you; try to deplatform you; try to make your speech illegal; and send out their Antifa street thugs
    — what we are seeing is the Democrats version of Mao’s Cultural Revolution–they loonies set loose to attack normal productive people
    — the Chinese are laughing at us–the Democrats did lockdowns to destroy the economy, then sent out their Antifa street thugs to riot and pledge to “defund the police”. “The Cultural Revolution is in America now” is a punchline to their jokes. The are Joe’s greatest cheerleader–they’ll already bought him. And they know if Biden/Harris is elected America will never be great again, but fall into permanent decline.

    • Replies: @Thomas
    @AnotherDad

    I very much doubt Trump is capable of being prepped or helped at this point. He's never been coachable, at best. And, contrary opinions or evidence notwithstanding, I'm certain that he believes he's in his element right now like never before. Less than two weeks to an election he's rallying everywhere and going to a debate where he probably thinks he'll rock (again, in his view).

    Either he's right or he's wrong. Hopefully we'll know in 12 days. If he's right, we'll all have to accept that he's a political savant who knows this game better than anyone. If he's wrong... the price of him not being willing to listen to anyone might be spending much of the rest of his life having to listen to correctional authorities somewhere, perhaps. I don't think the system is just going to let him go back to shilling MAGA or making plans for 2024.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Flying Dutchman

    , @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Biden corruption scandal:

    -- Joe the scandal isn't your son's problems with drugs or child pornography. The corruption here is that you enabled your son to trade on the power and influence of United States--using your position as Vice President--to make millions of dollars ... that he could spend on drugs and porn and hookers.

    -- the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden's corruption. The media doesn't want to discuss it. Tonight's moderator doesn't want to talk about it. That's Democrats for you: They don't have a problem with Democrats' corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    -- (looking out at the camera) That's what's going on here. Joe Biden helped his son making millions of dollars for the Biden family trading on the power and influence of the United States. You are just as American as Joe Biden. America belongs to each and every one of you just as much as it does to Joe. Do your children get to make millions of dollars trading on the power of the United States? If didn't think so.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Guy De Champlagne

    , @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Saying that Floyd died of fentanyl overdose is not a winner. All Americans have seen the video of the cop kneeling on Floyd's neck - who are they going to believe - Trump or their lying eyes? I realize that is the truth but the video is a greater truth.

    "Democrats want to defund the police" IS a good issue but no one wants to hear unpleasant facts about how violent black people are. Bringing this up would be another loser for Trump.

    The purpose of the debate is to try to swing (the few remaining) undecided voters and to convince marginal Trump inclined voters that it is worth their time to cast their ballots. Parts of your speech might be red meat for Trump's base but he already has their votes. This is not a Trump rally.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

  54. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    Mass immigration is a huge boon for Democrats. It gives them lots of new voters.

    The point he should emphasize is that the Democrats want to replace us. They want to displace us with foreigners – in our own country. They even crow about how whites are becoming a minoritiy.

    Of course, Trump will not do anything that Coulter recommends, because he’s a vain, shallow blowhard.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Mr. Anon

    Oops. This was intended as a reply to the thread, not to that particular commenter.

  55. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    Didn’t we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    “We”? No, I don’t think “we” could do it. But it seems to work for some people:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York

    • Agree: Ben tillman
  56. Trump should emphasize that the Democrats push immigration to replace us. They want to displace us with foreigners in our own country. They even brag about it.

    Of course he won’t follow Coulter’s advice, because he is a vain, shallow blowhard.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    Of course he won’t follow Coulter’s advice, because he is a vain, shallow blowhard.
     
    As long as Miss Coulter goes on and on about "the Wall", isn't she the blowhard? It doesn't do a damned thing to address legal immigration, which is the real problem. Legal immigrants need only follow the wall to a checkpoint, show their papers, and waltz right in.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

  57. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Trump can still win this thing. And a strong knockout level performance tonight would really help.

    I'm not sure anyone can prep Trump, but if his helpers are out there, some lines:

    Riots/race/rule-of-law:

    -- George Floyd overdoses on fentanyl and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to have riots, looting, cancel the rule of law and defund the police
    -- "the Biden/Harris riots"
    -- "BLM terrorism"
    -- "BLM terrorists killing police officers"
    -- Democrats unleashed their Antifa street thugs

    -- Biden/Harris Democrat mayors and governors cancelled the rule of law, and murders have--predictable--skyrocketed in Democrat cities, up 20, 30, 50%
    -- black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America
    -- the police kill 200-300 blacks in America--every year; (they kill more whites); but black criminals kill 8000 blacks every year

    -- black Americans are not in danger from the police, they are in danger from black criminals; black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America ... some whites and Asians and Hispanics, but mostly they murder other blacks
    -- if Democrats defund the police, they will unleash and even bigger wave of violence on our cities than Democrats have done this summer; people who can afford to will move out. The murder, rape, robbery wave that will follow Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police will hit poor black neighborhoods the worst.
    -- Biden/Harris want blacks to think "the cops are killing us!", so they won't notice Biden/Harris is killing their future with illegal immigration
    -- black Americans do not need Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police; blacks need what all Americans need--the rule of law--and a President that will protect their jobs, their wages from being crushed by the Biden/Harris Democrats' illegal immigration

    -- Democrats are totalitarian; if you disagree with them, they try to censor you; try to deplatform you; try to make your speech illegal; and send out their Antifa street thugs
    -- what we are seeing is the Democrats version of Mao's Cultural Revolution--they loonies set loose to attack normal productive people
    -- the Chinese are laughing at us--the Democrats did lockdowns to destroy the economy, then sent out their Antifa street thugs to riot and pledge to "defund the police". "The Cultural Revolution is in America now" is a punchline to their jokes. The are Joe's greatest cheerleader--they'll already bought him. And they know if Biden/Harris is elected America will never be great again, but fall into permanent decline.

    Replies: @Thomas, @AnotherDad, @Jack D

    I very much doubt Trump is capable of being prepped or helped at this point. He’s never been coachable, at best. And, contrary opinions or evidence notwithstanding, I’m certain that he believes he’s in his element right now like never before. Less than two weeks to an election he’s rallying everywhere and going to a debate where he probably thinks he’ll rock (again, in his view).

    Either he’s right or he’s wrong. Hopefully we’ll know in 12 days. If he’s right, we’ll all have to accept that he’s a political savant who knows this game better than anyone. If he’s wrong… the price of him not being willing to listen to anyone might be spending much of the rest of his life having to listen to correctional authorities somewhere, perhaps. I don’t think the system is just going to let him go back to shilling MAGA or making plans for 2024.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Thomas

    The self-centeredness of Donald Trump is - real, so to speak. Excuse me for making this joke, there are truths in them, so what: The self-absorbed one is the real Donald Trump.

    If he loses, what follows is not only relevant in this realm of the Trumpian (= really big style) self-centeredness. - It will have political consequences too. It just looks as if the Trumpistas around here would sort of lose their steam in pointing out what the political difference would be. The mood is not the optimistic Trump-mood any more, that I sensed here during the last election cycle.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Bugg

    , @Flying Dutchman
    @Thomas

    "Hopefully we’ll know in 12 days."

    I think there's zero chance of that. Or to be more precise, there's close to a 100% chance that in 12 days there will be two militant factions each claiming to know equal and opposite things.

    The real question is what follows from that.

  58. ‘I have an idea! Why not make Biden talk about it?’

    Indeed. Just let Biden talk — which Trump emphatically didn’t allow in the first debate.

    Game plan should be to take the debate into areas Biden’s handlers haven’t anticipated and let Joe flounder.

    The Democrats have managed to make this election about Trump — who is decidedly flawed. Trump needs to make it about Biden — who is corrupt, literally senile, and has a catastrophic agenda.

  59. @Barnard
    Ann lost her access to Trump and the White House when she told him it was a bad idea to bring Jared and Ivanka onto his staff. She has Trump dead to rights here, he thinks voters love him for his personality.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Ann lost her access to Trump and the White House when she told him it was a bad idea to bring Jared and Ivanka onto his staff. She has Trump dead to rights here, he thinks voters love him for his personality.

    Sadly, I think some of them do. Probably the same ones who watch WWE SmackDown!

  60. @GreatSocialist
    The lovable but hopelessly naive Ann Coulter should realize by now that men like Trump will always let her down, no matter how many gushing fan-girl books she writes to glorify or worship them.

    To Trump, Ann is just an ugly, anorexic horseface whose only use is that she can convince a few more dumbass conservatives to vote for a jackass scumbag like himself.

    I find Ann entertaining and sympathize with her racist fears of being of being swamped by jihadists, blacks and Mexicans.

    Trouble is, America never belonged to the "whites", it belonged to the native Red Indians until the whites cheated them out of their land used genocidal policies to slowly exterminate them.

    So if whites have fears of being "replaced", that's just sadshit for them because that's what they did to the native Red Indians.

    Whites, particularly those in the US(which has a country IQ of abt 90), need to accept that they are not and have never been an exceptional or superior race or culture, except in their own little delusions.

    Whites need to learn to live with other races and cultures in a peaceful and non-elitist way.

    My final advice to Ann is to simply join the enemy she cannot beat, ie Ann should "go black' and experience the astral nirvana of having relations with black and asian men other than those who think and look like Ted "reptilian" Cruz, Tom"microcaephalic"Cotton, and Marco "sweaty" Rubio.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lace, @Buffalo Joe

    Trouble is, America never belonged to the “whites”, it belonged to the native Red Indians until the whites cheated them out of their land used genocidal policies to slowly exterminate them.

    Also, only a degenerate would use this as an invitation to redo the whole thing on the descendants of the invaders, instead of a warning.

  61. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Trump can still win this thing. And a strong knockout level performance tonight would really help.

    I'm not sure anyone can prep Trump, but if his helpers are out there, some lines:

    Riots/race/rule-of-law:

    -- George Floyd overdoses on fentanyl and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to have riots, looting, cancel the rule of law and defund the police
    -- "the Biden/Harris riots"
    -- "BLM terrorism"
    -- "BLM terrorists killing police officers"
    -- Democrats unleashed their Antifa street thugs

    -- Biden/Harris Democrat mayors and governors cancelled the rule of law, and murders have--predictable--skyrocketed in Democrat cities, up 20, 30, 50%
    -- black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America
    -- the police kill 200-300 blacks in America--every year; (they kill more whites); but black criminals kill 8000 blacks every year

    -- black Americans are not in danger from the police, they are in danger from black criminals; black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America ... some whites and Asians and Hispanics, but mostly they murder other blacks
    -- if Democrats defund the police, they will unleash and even bigger wave of violence on our cities than Democrats have done this summer; people who can afford to will move out. The murder, rape, robbery wave that will follow Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police will hit poor black neighborhoods the worst.
    -- Biden/Harris want blacks to think "the cops are killing us!", so they won't notice Biden/Harris is killing their future with illegal immigration
    -- black Americans do not need Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police; blacks need what all Americans need--the rule of law--and a President that will protect their jobs, their wages from being crushed by the Biden/Harris Democrats' illegal immigration

    -- Democrats are totalitarian; if you disagree with them, they try to censor you; try to deplatform you; try to make your speech illegal; and send out their Antifa street thugs
    -- what we are seeing is the Democrats version of Mao's Cultural Revolution--they loonies set loose to attack normal productive people
    -- the Chinese are laughing at us--the Democrats did lockdowns to destroy the economy, then sent out their Antifa street thugs to riot and pledge to "defund the police". "The Cultural Revolution is in America now" is a punchline to their jokes. The are Joe's greatest cheerleader--they'll already bought him. And they know if Biden/Harris is elected America will never be great again, but fall into permanent decline.

    Replies: @Thomas, @AnotherDad, @Jack D

    Biden corruption scandal:

    — Joe the scandal isn’t your son’s problems with drugs or child pornography. The corruption here is that you enabled your son to trade on the power and influence of United States–using your position as Vice President–to make millions of dollars … that he could spend on drugs and porn and hookers.

    — the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden’s corruption. The media doesn’t want to discuss it. Tonight’s moderator doesn’t want to talk about it. That’s Democrats for you: They don’t have a problem with Democrats’ corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    — (looking out at the camera) That’s what’s going on here. Joe Biden helped his son making millions of dollars for the Biden family trading on the power and influence of the United States. You are just as American as Joe Biden. America belongs to each and every one of you just as much as it does to Joe. Do your children get to make millions of dollars trading on the power of the United States? If didn’t think so.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Trump would have a much better case if he had sold all of his businesses and put the proceeds in a blind trust as previous Presidents have done. Instead he appointed his kids to run them and arguably his businesses have benefited from the fact that he is the POTUS. I understand why he did this - most other Presidents were not real estate magnates. However, it means that he is not in a good position to call Biden's kettle black and I don't think he is gonna make that speech for that reason.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    -- Democrats want to amnesty illegals, keep you locked down and defund the police.
    I guess the idea is you won't have a business or a job or a future so you won't care when the criminals loot your home, rape your wife and kill you.

    , @Guy De Champlagne
    @AnotherDad

    — the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden’s corruption. The media doesn’t want to discuss it. Tonight’s moderator doesn’t want to talk about it. That’s Democrats for you: They don’t have a problem with Democrats’ corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    It may be over your head but most people can see how wrong it is for Trump to ask Ukraine to single out his opponent for investigation so I don't think that the kind of hot talking point you think it is. It not only makes Trump look sleazy but also like an incompetent idiot. How hard would it have been to ask for broad anti corruption measures that guaranteed an investigation into Biden but also looked kosher and were above reproach?

    Replies: @Redman

  62. @GreatSocialist
    The lovable but hopelessly naive Ann Coulter should realize by now that men like Trump will always let her down, no matter how many gushing fan-girl books she writes to glorify or worship them.

    To Trump, Ann is just an ugly, anorexic horseface whose only use is that she can convince a few more dumbass conservatives to vote for a jackass scumbag like himself.

    I find Ann entertaining and sympathize with her racist fears of being of being swamped by jihadists, blacks and Mexicans.

    Trouble is, America never belonged to the "whites", it belonged to the native Red Indians until the whites cheated them out of their land used genocidal policies to slowly exterminate them.

    So if whites have fears of being "replaced", that's just sadshit for them because that's what they did to the native Red Indians.

    Whites, particularly those in the US(which has a country IQ of abt 90), need to accept that they are not and have never been an exceptional or superior race or culture, except in their own little delusions.

    Whites need to learn to live with other races and cultures in a peaceful and non-elitist way.

    My final advice to Ann is to simply join the enemy she cannot beat, ie Ann should "go black' and experience the astral nirvana of having relations with black and asian men other than those who think and look like Ted "reptilian" Cruz, Tom"microcaephalic"Cotton, and Marco "sweaty" Rubio.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lace, @Buffalo Joe

    Is that a joke? It’s certainly a poorly phrased and repulsive one if it is. Of course whites are superior, and something or other “owned the land mass we call the U.S. or ‘America’” before the Indians stole it from them. I don’t know if they were Stone Age types or just buffalo.

    Oh yeah, the Indians had such a great culture. So the English are the ones at fault, before ‘Americans’ existed. They fought to keep it, and in many ways, that would have been preferable. And the English don’t have as much guilt about the necessity of racism as their Anglo-American descendants do–with the whites already a mix of Dutch, then Scandinavian and German.

    Wade Davis wrote that book about Haiti, observing that voodoo was, in fact, a ‘worldview’ that deserved respect as such. I guess you would if you got stuck in that island of mud as he did. But you have to admit, that this superb worldview is a resplendant example that all white nations must aspire to–it’s so obvious how prosperous all of Europe and the Americas would be if they had.

  63. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Biden corruption scandal:

    -- Joe the scandal isn't your son's problems with drugs or child pornography. The corruption here is that you enabled your son to trade on the power and influence of United States--using your position as Vice President--to make millions of dollars ... that he could spend on drugs and porn and hookers.

    -- the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden's corruption. The media doesn't want to discuss it. Tonight's moderator doesn't want to talk about it. That's Democrats for you: They don't have a problem with Democrats' corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    -- (looking out at the camera) That's what's going on here. Joe Biden helped his son making millions of dollars for the Biden family trading on the power and influence of the United States. You are just as American as Joe Biden. America belongs to each and every one of you just as much as it does to Joe. Do your children get to make millions of dollars trading on the power of the United States? If didn't think so.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Guy De Champlagne

    Trump would have a much better case if he had sold all of his businesses and put the proceeds in a blind trust as previous Presidents have done. Instead he appointed his kids to run them and arguably his businesses have benefited from the fact that he is the POTUS. I understand why he did this – most other Presidents were not real estate magnates. However, it means that he is not in a good position to call Biden’s kettle black and I don’t think he is gonna make that speech for that reason.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    I agree Trump is in a relatively worse position to tackle this because he runs a family business and his kids piggyback on the "Trump" brand ... and arguably there is spillover from him being President, though he's so angered the establishment that it looks like a negative for his businesses.

    But the key point here--which i addressed in a comment a day or two back--

    The "Trump" brand is private. Trump built it, it belongs to him and he can let his kids inherit it.

    The United States of America--it's power and influence--were not built by Joe Biden, but built by and belongs to millions of Americans. Biden does not own America or American power, and he has no business helping his son trade on it to line his pockets.

  64. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Biden corruption scandal:

    -- Joe the scandal isn't your son's problems with drugs or child pornography. The corruption here is that you enabled your son to trade on the power and influence of United States--using your position as Vice President--to make millions of dollars ... that he could spend on drugs and porn and hookers.

    -- the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden's corruption. The media doesn't want to discuss it. Tonight's moderator doesn't want to talk about it. That's Democrats for you: They don't have a problem with Democrats' corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    -- (looking out at the camera) That's what's going on here. Joe Biden helped his son making millions of dollars for the Biden family trading on the power and influence of the United States. You are just as American as Joe Biden. America belongs to each and every one of you just as much as it does to Joe. Do your children get to make millions of dollars trading on the power of the United States? If didn't think so.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Guy De Champlagne

    — Democrats want to amnesty illegals, keep you locked down and defund the police.
    I guess the idea is you won’t have a business or a job or a future so you won’t care when the criminals loot your home, rape your wife and kill you.

  65. @Aardvark
    Given how childish MSM has become with the outright lying, spinning, deceptive presentation of video etc., it wouldn't surprise me if the debate went like this:

    Moderator: "Question to Orange Man Bad: How do you defend your handling of the COVID pandemic?"
    [Moderator mutes Trump's microphone ]
    Moderator: "OK, Orange man had no response, over to you Joe..."
    Moderator: "Joe, pick any university you would like to claim that you attended..."
    Joe: "Uh..Thursday. Listen skinny, have you ever been a Caucus?"

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Pop Warner

    (to Trump): “Why are you so evil?”
    (to Biden): “Why is Trump so evil?”

  66. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Trump can still win this thing. And a strong knockout level performance tonight would really help.

    I'm not sure anyone can prep Trump, but if his helpers are out there, some lines:

    Riots/race/rule-of-law:

    -- George Floyd overdoses on fentanyl and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to have riots, looting, cancel the rule of law and defund the police
    -- "the Biden/Harris riots"
    -- "BLM terrorism"
    -- "BLM terrorists killing police officers"
    -- Democrats unleashed their Antifa street thugs

    -- Biden/Harris Democrat mayors and governors cancelled the rule of law, and murders have--predictable--skyrocketed in Democrat cities, up 20, 30, 50%
    -- black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America
    -- the police kill 200-300 blacks in America--every year; (they kill more whites); but black criminals kill 8000 blacks every year

    -- black Americans are not in danger from the police, they are in danger from black criminals; black criminals commit 55% of the murders in America ... some whites and Asians and Hispanics, but mostly they murder other blacks
    -- if Democrats defund the police, they will unleash and even bigger wave of violence on our cities than Democrats have done this summer; people who can afford to will move out. The murder, rape, robbery wave that will follow Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police will hit poor black neighborhoods the worst.
    -- Biden/Harris want blacks to think "the cops are killing us!", so they won't notice Biden/Harris is killing their future with illegal immigration
    -- black Americans do not need Biden/Harris Democrats defunding the police; blacks need what all Americans need--the rule of law--and a President that will protect their jobs, their wages from being crushed by the Biden/Harris Democrats' illegal immigration

    -- Democrats are totalitarian; if you disagree with them, they try to censor you; try to deplatform you; try to make your speech illegal; and send out their Antifa street thugs
    -- what we are seeing is the Democrats version of Mao's Cultural Revolution--they loonies set loose to attack normal productive people
    -- the Chinese are laughing at us--the Democrats did lockdowns to destroy the economy, then sent out their Antifa street thugs to riot and pledge to "defund the police". "The Cultural Revolution is in America now" is a punchline to their jokes. The are Joe's greatest cheerleader--they'll already bought him. And they know if Biden/Harris is elected America will never be great again, but fall into permanent decline.

    Replies: @Thomas, @AnotherDad, @Jack D

    Saying that Floyd died of fentanyl overdose is not a winner. All Americans have seen the video of the cop kneeling on Floyd’s neck – who are they going to believe – Trump or their lying eyes? I realize that is the truth but the video is a greater truth.

    “Democrats want to defund the police” IS a good issue but no one wants to hear unpleasant facts about how violent black people are. Bringing this up would be another loser for Trump.

    The purpose of the debate is to try to swing (the few remaining) undecided voters and to convince marginal Trump inclined voters that it is worth their time to cast their ballots. Parts of your speech might be red meat for Trump’s base but he already has their votes. This is not a Trump rally.

    • Agree: Travis
    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Think you're off base here, Jack.

    I can be wrong on the specifics--this or that phrase or quip--but on the general question, i'm on target.

    For 50+ minoritarianism has been on the rise basically unimpeded because conservatives are too racially polite, to challenge it's "poor innocent oppressed blacks" and "evil oppressive pickup driving white gentiles" narrative.

    Biden-Harris/the Democrats have the past few years--and this year really amped up--pushed a narrative of killer cops structurally racistly oppressing poor innocent blacks ... and in doing so have attacked the basic rule-of-law which on top of white genes is key to American prosperity.

    Either Trump can deflate that toxic narrative ... or down he goes.

    ~~~

    If the election is still in reach--i.e. Trump is not going to get blown out by losing here in Florida and up in North Carolina--then Trump's path is through your home state of Pennsylvania and/or Michigan.

    To do that Trump must
    -- energize the "Deer Hunter" whites--give them something, some reminder Trump is really in their corner, which calling "bullshit" on the Democrats anti-cop, poor-oppressed-blacks, pro-crime narrative, along pounding on immigration and China trade and Democrat lock downs can do.
    -- flip back some suburban college educated whites; this is harder but pounding on "rule of law" and reminding them of the Democrats previous soft-on-crime 60-90s era and what a disaster it was would really help

    In addition Trump benefits by sowing confusion and de-energizing:
    -- single white women; many of whom vaguely know black neighborhoods are "sketchy" but don't have a good sense of just what a big sack of shit the Democrats big-lie is
    -- middle/working-class "family blacks" who aren't government job dependent or criminals, are smart enough to know black criminals and illegal immigration are much bigger threats to their kids, but need to be reminded what a nasty, patronizing narrative about black the Democrats are pushing


    I'd add to my list a item specifically calling up the history:
    -- For those of us old enough to remember, the Democrats have put us through this before. Democrats when soft-on-crime--let's not lock up criminals--in the 60s. And America paid for it with a crime explosion, which devastated our cities. It took Republicans--like Rudy Guiliani--who were willing to enforce the law and put criminals in jail to make our cities livable again in the late 90s.

    The Democrats lies and BLM terrorism for the 2014 election boosted the murder rate 20%. But after my election, it has been dropping back down. Now the Democrats' BLM riots and looting and telling the police to stand down has driven up the murder rate again--20, 30, 40% in Democrat cities. And they want to defund the police! Seriously.

    Do we really want to do this again. Let the Democrats pro-criminal police jack back up the crime rate and destroy our cities once again?

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

  67. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Trump would have a much better case if he had sold all of his businesses and put the proceeds in a blind trust as previous Presidents have done. Instead he appointed his kids to run them and arguably his businesses have benefited from the fact that he is the POTUS. I understand why he did this - most other Presidents were not real estate magnates. However, it means that he is not in a good position to call Biden's kettle black and I don't think he is gonna make that speech for that reason.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    I agree Trump is in a relatively worse position to tackle this because he runs a family business and his kids piggyback on the “Trump” brand … and arguably there is spillover from him being President, though he’s so angered the establishment that it looks like a negative for his businesses.

    But the key point here–which i addressed in a comment a day or two back–

    The “Trump” brand is private. Trump built it, it belongs to him and he can let his kids inherit it.

    The United States of America–it’s power and influence–were not built by Joe Biden, but built by and belongs to millions of Americans. Biden does not own America or American power, and he has no business helping his son trade on it to line his pockets.

  68. @peterike
    Ann has been a great disappointment. She's like so many of the eeyore's around here who pout like little children about Trump because he couldn't wave his hands and give them all their wishes.

    Trump actually has built almost 400 miles of wall, much of it in high-impact areas, and every inch of it built in the face of opposition from both parties, much of the judiciary and of course the media. But the eeyore's never take this into account.

    In some sense I agree. Trump ought to be like Obama -- just declare whatever unconstitutional thing he wants to do, and do it. But everyone rolled over for Obama, whereas they fight Trump tooth and nail. And despite the constant shouting by the Left that Trump is a "dictator" or whatever, he's actually the most procedure compliant President we've had in ages. Trump follows the rules, often to his own detriment.

    Anyway, if Hillary had won, how much wall would you have? Zero. If Biden wins he'll tear it down as a "gesture" and re-open all the floodgates Trump has been steadily closing (e.g. refugees at its lowest in decades ).

    Not voting for Trump in 2020 is an act of consummate stupidity.

    Replies: @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Guy De Champlagne, @James Braxton, @AndrewR

    I agree that not voting for Trump is stupid.

    But Anne is right to be pushing for Trump to get back on message. Immigration, immigration, immigration. She’s pushing her issue, and it happens to poll very well. That’s what got him to the dance in the first place, but he seems to have dropped it during this campaign. In 2016, his best speeches were the ones Stephen Miller wrote that rocked the crowd. Anne’s not an enemy, she’s a smart critic.

    But this time around, the media (including Fox) doesn’t seem to show many of Trump’s rallies, or at least very much of them. TPTB at Fox do not seem to be behind him this time around. I hope we get to see a full Trump speech before the election, but I’m not counting on it.

  69. @JimB
    I think immigration takes a back seat to losing our liberties. America is about to elect China’s whores, Joe and Kamala

    Replies: @anon

  70. @Stan Adams
    Steve, any thoughts on the rumors about Hunter Biden’s dalliances with his 14-year-old niece?

    Papa Joe knew about the allegations - Hunter himself told him about them. If there’s any truth to them, then Our Next President(TM) might very well be a party to stautory rape.

    They nailed Joe Pa (of Penn State fame) for knowing about but not telling the police about the crimes of Jerry Sandusky; is Joe Bidin’ (His Time ‘til the Election) next?

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend. Is America ready for a president who stands idly by while his son has a fling with his other son’s daughter?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @BB753, @ScarletNumber

    We can cross that bridge if it ever materializes, but that is such a low blow that, unless there’s irrefutable proof, then I don’t know why any decent person would even mention it. There is enough to nail them to the wall that we don’t have to resort to completely unsubstantiated allegations of extreme criminal sexual deviance

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @AndrewR

    This is why we lose. We're more concerned about behaving honorably than about using every bit of ammunition at our disposal.

    Our opponents do not subscribe to the Geneva Convention of politics. If similar allegations were made about Don Jr., the Democrats would not hesitate to use them against his father. Indeed, they would be happy to fabricate wildly baseless claims out of thin air.

    Dragging Hunter's degenerate sex life into this mess of an election campaign is a sleazy tactic, yes. But we're fighting for our lives and all's fair in love and war.

    Right now, the disinfobot on my local CBS affiliate is prattling on about how the Trump campaign is conspiring with Russia and Iran to intimidate voters. Listening to the news is like watching a schizophrenic bum mutter about CIA agents using mind-control death rays to drill holes in his head. Trump is simultaneously the stupidest moron and the most diabolical genius who ever lived.

    How do you deal with people who are willing to lie so shamelessly and brazenly and openly? The answer is, you go after them with everything you've got.

  71. The idea that Trump is getting Harrison Bergeron’d is a meme that might spread. I’d love to see that name mentioned on Tucker when he analyses the muting.

  72. @Anonymous
    Biden won't win.

    Not only is it very hard for any challenger to knock off an elected incumbent POTUS... it is nearly impossible for a former senator to do it.

    The only instance since the civil war is 1888 Benjamin Harrison (won a 3-way race and failed to win an outright majority of the vote.)

    So a senator hasn't beaten an ELECTED incumbent president in 132 years (32 straight elections).

    Governors have done it but only twice since 1872. (Reagan is only one to win a majority of the popular vote in doing so: Clinton won a 3-way plurality. Carter beat unelected Ford.)

    These stats are not luck. Senate Stink is a thing in US politics. And the longer in the senate the worse the stink.

    Yes Biden is also former VP. But there's little evidence that VP is an actual resume enhancer in US politics. It does not seem to take the stink off.

    Interestingly Biden is only the second VP to make a delayed run for prez (Nixon)...

    Replies: @epebble

    Interesting historical patterns. There is this pattern too:

    The longest period without a President losing a reelection, 1932-1976 (44 years), Had a death in office (FDR), Assassination (JFK) and LBJ refusing to rerun.

    Also, 1932-1976 was an unusual period in history with back to back Great Depression, WW2 and Cold War.

    1992 – 20??, If Trump wins, the earliest possible loss of reelection would be 2028, making the span at least 36 years long. That would be a historic record of stability.

  73. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    "Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost?"

    Um... back when "we" had that debate, that was in a different country. You know what they say about the past. Pretty sure the Chinese had a debate about the Heavenly Kingdom of Great Peace back in the 19th century, and then all of a sudden, in 1949.......

    Your flop sweat is showing, dude.

    Replies: @Jack D

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don’t expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by “we” I mean all Americans of all faiths – the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Jack D

    (Re: segregation)



    Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses.
     
    Thanks for the reminder. It'll be true most likely, especially after Jan 20.
    , @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    So you’re against people having the right of freedom of association?

    In the long sweep of history, segregation always exists. It has existed in India for 2000 years. It will exist here in America too. It already does under the table. It will just do so more openly in the future.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @anon
    @Jack D

    If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined.

    Yet segregated towns exist. Sure, only for the special people...but they do exist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York

    Jack, do you even have a fragment of a clue what this looks like to normal people out in flyover?
    Or does that just not matter to you at all?

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Jack D


    I am not sweating this at all.
     
    LOL
    , @J.Ross
    @Jack D

    The way in which this has any truth to it is that the controllers and perverters of our laws have decided that white people denying any kind of benefit to any nonwhite people for any reason is the most important legal issue of our day, to the complete exclusion of things like Chinese subversion of high officials, warmongering based on not even lies, child molestation on video, sedition by unelected bureaucrats who feel open contempt for the American People and their Constitution, murders, riots, incitements to violence, destruction of property, and censorship. Happily, these geniuses have decided to cut straight to the part where stuff gets smashed and burned down. We await the picture of Chicago or Minneapolis a year on. We already know that people who can are fleeing California and New York. Steve isn't, so he must not be able to, so that's one more reason to donate today.

    , @RichardTaylor
    @Jack D


    Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses.
     
    Is that your idea of "us" have a debate about segregation? The very fact that internal police have to be called in to silence people shows that forced integration is just that ... forced.
    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Jack D

    "I am not sweating this at all."

    Evidently you don't know what "flop sweat" means. It's not physical.

    And yes, your flop sweat is indeed showing.

    , @Moses
    @Jack D

    Jewish schools are segregated. They lack diversity and inclusion.

    We will force them by law to take more schwartzes.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

  74. One bit a speculation about why the FBI was sitting on the Hunter Biden laptop is that once Joe was elected, it would be pulled out to either get him to resign or have him removed from office. Maybe the FBI wants a President Harris? The problem now is that Rudy Giuliani and the Delaware State Police among others have copy’s and it is now prematurely dripping out. What Christopher Wray needs to do post haste is let the public know if they have been verified and why no one moved on it. The would absolutely have impacted the Trump impeachment and the Democratic primaries but instead of a Biden / Harris it would have been Sanders / AOC. Also, there is evidence of child abuse then the CPS should have been notified asap. Instead it seems that it was boxed up and stored in a gubmint warehouse like the Lost Ark in Indiana Jones. Inquiring minds want to know.

    • Replies: @Travis
    @Prof. Woland

    The FBI attempted a coup against the President. The FBI is thoroughly corrupt and releasing the details of the Biden's corruption would have made Trump's discussion with Ukraine appear to be not only prudent, but it demonstrates Trump doing his job as chief executive to drain the swamp. It would ahve completely changed the narrative in December of 2019 going into February when the wasted so much of the Nations time impeaching the President for attempting to expose the corruption of Biden and indirectly Obama.

    Few thought Biden would win the nomination. They withheld the evidence against Biden to they could impeach Trump after the Russian collusion hoax failed. The FBI and the the deep state would have other means to get keep Saunders out of office. But keeping Biden a viable candidate was certianly better for the deep state then the alternative, exposing the corruption of the leading deep state politicians.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Prof. Woland

  75. Anonymous[335] • Disclaimer says:

    While everyone is distracted by the debate the lowlife Kushnerists are giving away an extra 1.2 trillion to Nancy in the covid relief package. 2.2 T total or more.

    Nancy & Co were beginning to squirm early Oct and Trump panicked. All he had to do was sit tight. Starving the blue state crime syndicates would’ve been a huge momentum boost for the campaign.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pelosi-says-were-just-about-there-on-coronavirus-relief-deal-but-key-hang-ups-remain

    If they try to fund the blue state criminal governors with this it will be the last straw for many. This will leave a mark.

    It might come in higher than 2.2 maybe 2.4. Jerkboy Trump now calling for much higher numbers. Such a clever boy.

    Trump blew this negotiation right out his ass two weeks ago. Now he’s left with a desperate salvage job where he passes the giant bag of sh!t to Mitch right before the election. Force gop senate to play the bad guys right now?

    It could be 1.4 trillion down the democrat rat hole. Believe it that behind the scenes the Kushner regime is only really negotiating against the Trump base. Just like on immigration the game is how do we structure this to slip it by the base.

    THIS IS FUBAR SELF PWNING

  76. @Anonymous
    The situation is too fluid, even for Ann.

    In the meantime, I think we should all remember a quote from Obama back in the day, "there’s nothing that Biden can’t fuck up," and for the next 5 minutes, everyone should learn how to say "Bobulinski."

    Replies: @Ben tillman

    I tried it already, and it sounded just like Bo Belinsky, which is a problem if you’re talking to baseball fans over a certain age.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ben tillman


    I tried it already, and it sounded just like Bo Belinsky, which is a problem if you’re talking to baseball fans over a certain age.
     
    Try applying this helpful mnemonic device...

    https://youtu.be/OedfVXal_Y8
  77. @anonymous
    Another needle Trump needs to thread carefully is how to highlight Biden's Hell Family without Joe stroking out, Hunter killing himself, or Hunter's 14 year old niece harming herself before the election.

    A Biden self-harming event could turn everything shitty as can be. It wouldn't be Trump's fault, but he would be blamed for doing the poking.

    I recall many years ago the New Yorker splashing Anna Nicole Smith on their cover under the banner of "White Trash America," and... it's actually still true. There's a lot of dumb white trash out there, voting on caprice.

    Taming white trash en masse is like taming a tiger. Even if you're skilled at it, it can still go badly. Bald-faced confidence coupled with knowing when to stay still can carry the day, when nothing else works.

    In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion Trump has more going for him than he let's on. His active strategy is too sure-handed. He's not flailing around like Biden. He's got a plan, and he's cranking it.

    As for well-to-do capricious White people... those lines of people in Newport Beach. Jesus. How did he get those people out on the street all at once? That line went on for at least half a mile. The hardest thing to do is get people who do 60 hour work weeks to take time out for political bullshit. They're either working, sleeping, or sailing over there. The last thing people of Newport Beach want to do is stand on the side of any road with fucking political banners, for ANYbody.

    A small, but unique accomplishment. It portends to surprises to come.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Buffalo Joe

    In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion Trump has more going for him than he let’s on. His active strategy is too sure-handed. He’s not flailing around like Biden. He’s got a plan, and he’s cranking it.

    People poke fun at Trump’s time in WWF/WWE, but that is probably some of the best showbiz/media training he could have received to be the President of Clownmerica.

    Trump is friends with Vince McMahon, another billionaire who took WWF from a small regional wrestling promotion to an international franchise in about 10 or 15 years.

    McMahon has forgotten more about the art of misdirection than the fools on Capitol Hill will ever know.

  78. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Jack D


    Didn’t we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?
     
    As Francis Bacon noted four centuries ago, the results of debates should be regularly subject to empirical verification. Segregation worked. Current attempts at integration have been tried and found wanting, badly wanting. Perhaps it's time to give segregation another chance.

    BTW, I'd bet a majority of the oppressed Boer minority in South Africa wouldn't mind a return to Apartheid. Even oppressed minority Bantu tribes in South Africa might prefer the old system to the current one.

    Replies: @Redman

    Agree. And despite the current religious hysteria for “diversity and inclusion,” don’t we already have de facto segregation for the most part? At least that’s how it seems in my small community north of NYC.

    When I was in college in the late 1980s, the black students self-segregated. They even all sat together at our graduation, wearing the Kente cloth scarves. It seemed quite odd at the time.

  79. @Jack D
    @AnotherDad

    Saying that Floyd died of fentanyl overdose is not a winner. All Americans have seen the video of the cop kneeling on Floyd's neck - who are they going to believe - Trump or their lying eyes? I realize that is the truth but the video is a greater truth.

    "Democrats want to defund the police" IS a good issue but no one wants to hear unpleasant facts about how violent black people are. Bringing this up would be another loser for Trump.

    The purpose of the debate is to try to swing (the few remaining) undecided voters and to convince marginal Trump inclined voters that it is worth their time to cast their ballots. Parts of your speech might be red meat for Trump's base but he already has their votes. This is not a Trump rally.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Think you’re off base here, Jack.

    I can be wrong on the specifics–this or that phrase or quip–but on the general question, i’m on target.

    For 50+ minoritarianism has been on the rise basically unimpeded because conservatives are too racially polite, to challenge it’s “poor innocent oppressed blacks” and “evil oppressive pickup driving white gentiles” narrative.

    Biden-Harris/the Democrats have the past few years–and this year really amped up–pushed a narrative of killer cops structurally racistly oppressing poor innocent blacks … and in doing so have attacked the basic rule-of-law which on top of white genes is key to American prosperity.

    Either Trump can deflate that toxic narrative … or down he goes.

    ~~~

    If the election is still in reach–i.e. Trump is not going to get blown out by losing here in Florida and up in North Carolina–then Trump’s path is through your home state of Pennsylvania and/or Michigan.

    To do that Trump must
    — energize the “Deer Hunter” whites–give them something, some reminder Trump is really in their corner, which calling “bullshit” on the Democrats anti-cop, poor-oppressed-blacks, pro-crime narrative, along pounding on immigration and China trade and Democrat lock downs can do.
    — flip back some suburban college educated whites; this is harder but pounding on “rule of law” and reminding them of the Democrats previous soft-on-crime 60-90s era and what a disaster it was would really help

    In addition Trump benefits by sowing confusion and de-energizing:
    — single white women; many of whom vaguely know black neighborhoods are “sketchy” but don’t have a good sense of just what a big sack of shit the Democrats big-lie is
    — middle/working-class “family blacks” who aren’t government job dependent or criminals, are smart enough to know black criminals and illegal immigration are much bigger threats to their kids, but need to be reminded what a nasty, patronizing narrative about black the Democrats are pushing

    I’d add to my list a item specifically calling up the history:
    — For those of us old enough to remember, the Democrats have put us through this before. Democrats when soft-on-crime–let’s not lock up criminals–in the 60s. And America paid for it with a crime explosion, which devastated our cities. It took Republicans–like Rudy Guiliani–who were willing to enforce the law and put criminals in jail to make our cities livable again in the late 90s.

    The Democrats lies and BLM terrorism for the 2014 election boosted the murder rate 20%. But after my election, it has been dropping back down. Now the Democrats’ BLM riots and looting and telling the police to stand down has driven up the murder rate again–20, 30, 40% in Democrat cities. And they want to defund the police! Seriously.

    Do we really want to do this again. Let the Democrats pro-criminal police jack back up the crime rate and destroy our cities once again?

    • Agree: Redman, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mike_from_SGV
    @AnotherDad

    You are putting forward some excellent points that Trump could make. He should have been making them 10 months ago. However, to effectively make these points in the debate would take a level of verbal precision and articulateness that Trump simply lacks. I think his background as the sole leader of a family business allowed him to get by as a commander, and has left him poorly prepared for being able to persuade a majority of voters.

  80. @peterike
    Ann has been a great disappointment. She's like so many of the eeyore's around here who pout like little children about Trump because he couldn't wave his hands and give them all their wishes.

    Trump actually has built almost 400 miles of wall, much of it in high-impact areas, and every inch of it built in the face of opposition from both parties, much of the judiciary and of course the media. But the eeyore's never take this into account.

    In some sense I agree. Trump ought to be like Obama -- just declare whatever unconstitutional thing he wants to do, and do it. But everyone rolled over for Obama, whereas they fight Trump tooth and nail. And despite the constant shouting by the Left that Trump is a "dictator" or whatever, he's actually the most procedure compliant President we've had in ages. Trump follows the rules, often to his own detriment.

    Anyway, if Hillary had won, how much wall would you have? Zero. If Biden wins he'll tear it down as a "gesture" and re-open all the floodgates Trump has been steadily closing (e.g. refugees at its lowest in decades ).

    Not voting for Trump in 2020 is an act of consummate stupidity.

    Replies: @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Guy De Champlagne, @James Braxton, @AndrewR

    Getting things done is hard. Talking about the terrible things that Biden wants to get done is easy.

    He should be talking about Biden’s amnesty and the rest of the Leftist insanity Biden would visit upon us.

    • Agree: Charon
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Ben tillman


    Talking about the terrible things that Biden wants to get done is easy.

    He should be talking about Biden’s amnesty and the rest of the Leftist insanity Biden would visit upon us.
     
    Pour yourself a coffee. You misspelled Harris three times. Unless you were referring to Jill.

    This is the Jared-Hunter election.
  81. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    (Re: segregation)

    Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses.

    Thanks for the reminder. It’ll be true most likely, especially after Jan 20.

  82. If he mentions it, it should be in the framework of:

    I haven’t done enough on Immigration, but all of Washington opposes me and I need your help.

    It is true, and it personalizes the issue for people. Huge win/win in my book.

  83. Another horrifying possibility that reminds us the Left is about power:

    • Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    The radical left is more likely to vote for Biden because if his apparent weakness. His apparent senility is a feature of his candidacy , more likely to attract Bernie Bros and other leftists who are hoping he is removed for health reasons in his first year. But the leftist media has panicked over the new evidence of corruption by banning any media coverage, this may backfire in the left. Corruption will reduce the turnout for Biden and increase Republican turnout. It is quite obvious to all Americans that they are hiding important information about Biden from the public, so it might be worse than we suspect. They also are trying to protect the Ivama legacy. This is why Obama opposed the Biden candidacy for so long, he knew Biden had too much dangerous baggage to get elected.

  84. @Anonymous
    OT Pope Francis - in his infallible wisdom - has just come out(!) in favor so called 'homosexual marriage', thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.

    That familiar saw 'is the Pope catholic?' is no longer a rhetorical statement of the stark staring obvious.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @El Dato, @Allen

    OT Pope Francis – in his infallible wisdom – has just come out(!) in favor so called ‘homosexual marriage’, thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.

    No. Partnership, not marriage.

    • LOL: Bill
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Catholic Church under Pope Frankie is asymptototing towards the Episcopal Church; the EC is asymptoting towards the Unitarian Church; while the UC is asymptoting towards absolute and complete nothingness!

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @HA
    @Bardon Kaldian

    "No. Partnership, not marriage."

    No, even that is pushing it, though I guess we'll see. What he actually said was, right after deploring families who kick out and ostracize gay members, was that there needs to be a "civil coexistence" between gays and their families, not legal recognition of unions that gay people form with each other.

    Yes, it's certainly one more confusion-sowing boner by a pope whose sloppy oratory rarely rises above that of an entry-level substitute teacher, and it may ultimately be regarded as "sending out feelers" in an effort to shift doctrine around (to the delight of the many members of the hierarchy's Lavender Mafia), but so far, given the context, he hasn't said anything out of line with the usual "we're all God's children regardless of our proclivities, but man/man and woman/woman sex is intrinsically messed up" line. Of course, Democrats and other gay advocates will seize on it for their own ends, and he should have foreseen that, but him being a putz should take precedence over deviousness as the ultimate motivation behind this.

    For what it's worth, as noted in the above link, he has argued back before he was pope that civil-union recognition of gays is a possible last-ditch measure in preventing same-sex marriage, but given the context, it's doubtful as to whether he had even that in mind this time around.

  85. @Stan Adams
    Steve, any thoughts on the rumors about Hunter Biden’s dalliances with his 14-year-old niece?

    Papa Joe knew about the allegations - Hunter himself told him about them. If there’s any truth to them, then Our Next President(TM) might very well be a party to stautory rape.

    They nailed Joe Pa (of Penn State fame) for knowing about but not telling the police about the crimes of Jerry Sandusky; is Joe Bidin’ (His Time ‘til the Election) next?

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend. Is America ready for a president who stands idly by while his son has a fling with his other son’s daughter?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @BB753, @ScarletNumber

    If Joe had ratted on his kid, it would have killed his own career too. No one votes for a pedo’s father.

    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad’s example.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anon


    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad’s example.
     
    So it's environmental, rather than hereditary? You've opened a can of worms.

    Now the news that he could get away with it, yes, that's explained by environment. Our political environment.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @Anon


    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad’s example.
     
    Joe Biden has a strange lack of barriers with his own family. His family pictures - many of them - are weird. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I don't think it's normal to have posed portrait photos of fathers and sons kissing or embracing, nor is it normal to kiss one's own granddaughter on the lips. That's weird.
  86. I may be wrong, but I think Biden(s) will bury themselves, even without Trump’s “help”.

  87. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    So you’re against people having the right of freedom of association?

    In the long sweep of history, segregation always exists. It has existed in India for 2000 years. It will exist here in America too. It already does under the table. It will just do so more openly in the future.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    So you’re against people having the right of freedom of association?

     

    Freedom of association took a deep hit when it was suddenly embraced by those who had never before paid it any attention, indeed, were hostile to it. Those who had always been true to the concept, e.g., the Barry Goldwaters, were no longer taken seriously. They were assumed to be hypocrites like the johnnies-come-lately.

    From freedom of association to guilt by association.

  88. At this point the only way to save the country is to pay Taiwan to annex the U.S. (in the policy sense), and tell us what to do, and do whatever they say.

  89. This is unfortunately quite true. I’ve tried to explain to friends that the complete evidence in the case points to a fentanyl drug overdose as Floyd’s COD. They look at me like I’m completely nuts.

    The real problem with the Floyd case is that the media went into hibernation when the police bodycam footage was finally released. IIRC only the Daily Mail (not even an American newspaper) released it. The public and the MSM had spent too much energy and emotion to go back and reevaluate what “their own eyes saw.” It couldn’t all have been a mistake…could it?

    The cops all knew Floyd was having an excited delirium episode (most likely from drugs) and were just trying to stabilize him until the ambulance came. Chauvin was even using the same type of knee hold recommended by MPD procedures. The problem was they carried out these tasks with scowls of aggravation instead of smiley happy faces to calm the agitated crowd assembled to scream at them.

    The average human mind has little time for skepticism. Even less so after the entire MSM has “helped them make up their minds.” It’s too bad. If Trump were mentally agile, he could use the Floyd saga as a segue to mention the $8 Billion hit the opioid-pushing Sackler family just took thanks to the Trump DOJ. Another issue that’s getting surprisingly little mention during this election cycle.

    • Replies: @Ian Smith
    @Redman

    You could have that discussion if Floyd had been white (not that the media would have cared.) People have been so thoroughly indoctrinated in Negrolotry that all they need to see is a black in distress and that settles it for them.

  90. @Anonymous
    OT Pope Francis - in his infallible wisdom - has just come out(!) in favor so called 'homosexual marriage', thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.

    That familiar saw 'is the Pope catholic?' is no longer a rhetorical statement of the stark staring obvious.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @El Dato, @Allen

    The next question is whether bears shit in the woods, then.

    Why is 2020 so interesting?

    As I remember, the only special thing about it was that European broadband access was slated to be super-duper ultrafast for most of the continent’s populace to usher in the information society.

    Instead of that we get things like:

    Biden breaks silence on Supreme Court packing, wants to go ‘well beyond’ that to overhaul entire US judicial system

    “The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.”

  91. @The Alarmist
    Since when were Republicans were for walls?

    https://youtu.be/WX00QkvK-mQ

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RichardTaylor, @Anon

    Since when were Republicans were for walls?

    That was the equivalent of a wall to keep us out of Mexico. ¡Inténtalo de nuevo, señor!

  92. @RichardTaylor
    Building a wall would be great. But as a practical matter, there are already enough non-Whites in America that if forced integration continues, the White population will be swamped. Less than 50% of children born in this country are White.

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It's the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don't have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Guy De Champlagne, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Neoconned

    As a practical matter, only white people are denied segregation. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, they all have their own areas when they want them.

    Why can’t white people have the same rights as everyone else?

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @Anonymous


    As a practical matter, only white people are denied segregation.
     
    They're not denied it if they can afford it, i.e. in rich gated communities.

    When you see whites self-segregating, it's because nobody else can afford to live there. When blacks self-segregate, it's because anybody else would be afraid to live there.

    Replies: @Mild Mike

  93. @Ben tillman
    @peterike

    Getting things done is hard. Talking about the terrible things that Biden wants to get done is easy.

    He should be talking about Biden’s amnesty and the rest of the Leftist insanity Biden would visit upon us.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Talking about the terrible things that Biden wants to get done is easy.

    He should be talking about Biden’s amnesty and the rest of the Leftist insanity Biden would visit upon us.

    Pour yourself a coffee. You misspelled Harris three times. Unless you were referring to Jill.

    This is the Jared-Hunter election.

  94. anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined.

    Yet segregated towns exist. Sure, only for the special people…but they do exist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York

    Jack, do you even have a fragment of a clue what this looks like to normal people out in flyover?
    Or does that just not matter to you at all?

    • Agree: L. Guapo
  95. Anonymous[415] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden is going to be a significantly compromised POTUS, in all health/integrity/cognitive dimensions. I have never believed that RHB or his runner dropped off confidential info at a local store easily capable of fabricating Found Oppo, but it is looking to be a mixture of Photoshopped and authentic data, like any Zimmerman telegram type of story. Is Harris possibly goosing this along, knowing her supposed running mate is still likely to be installed? Surely someone approached her people pre-Iowa and offered to sell much of the same pilfered data (I am assuming the iCloud accounts were phished quite a while back). Biden would wait at least till Christmas 2021 to resign.

  96. The Last Debate

    If Biden “wins” the election, then a plurality of voters have given approval of the use of the FBI, CIA, etc., (pandemics too?) to undermine political opponents.

    Yeah, we’ll have nominal debates and elections – until we reach total civilizational collapse.

    On the bright side, it’s 2020 – the 400th anniversary of landing of the Puritans in the New World. Oh wait, apparently I’m the only person I know who has noticed.

    • Replies: @Coemgen
    @Coemgen

    Ok, after watching “the debate” it looks like we’re already into the nominal debate era. A moderator (interrogator) posing Democrat talking points as questions is not a debate. It’s propaganda.

    One thing that’s clear after the “debate” and the 60 Minutes interview is that the big lie du jour is that mask wearing will prevent viral transmission.

    Leslie Stahl knows that Trump knows that masks are nothing but a security blanket - she’s just trying to bully Trump into saying something he knows is wrong.

    Why would she do that? Is that good journalism?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest

  97. @The Alarmist
    Since when were Republicans were for walls?

    https://youtu.be/WX00QkvK-mQ

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RichardTaylor, @Anon

    Walls to keep people imprisoned(like the old USSR) are fundamentally different than walls to protect from invaders. Communists built walls to force people to stay. We must build them to keep from being swamped by a billion who want to move here.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @RichardTaylor

    Both walls and absence thereof can be manifestations of tyranny - the former to keep people in, the latter to enable invasion from outside.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    , @The Alarmist
    @RichardTaylor

    The Commies always told us their walls and severely fortified borders were to keep us out. That Wall on America’s border might start out as a defensive measure, but as America becomes the most indebted nation in all of history, it will ultimately serve to keep you on the plantation.

  98. @Buffalo Joe
    OT, but I just remembered that they are hosting the Masters Tournament at Augusta National, November 12-15. The only tournament my wife watches with me. I am wondering what homage, if any, Augusta National will pay to blm? Will we see the letters blm mowed into the rough? Players wearing George Floyd's name on their caps, or shoes? I'm guessing that since they didn't bend under the weight of a feminist protest, they will ingore the topic completely, but this will be just weeks post election.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Lagertha

    Roger Goodell, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett are all Augusta National members, I wonder if any of them pushed for it. The Masters has always excluded promoting anything other the golf course and the tournament, so it would be shocking if they even mentioned anything BLM related on air. The PGA Tour has dialed it back considerably since June as well.

  99. @Mr. Anon
    Trump should emphasize that the Democrats push immigration to replace us. They want to displace us with foreigners in our own country. They even brag about it.

    Of course he won't follow Coulter's advice, because he is a vain, shallow blowhard.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Of course he won’t follow Coulter’s advice, because he is a vain, shallow blowhard.

    As long as Miss Coulter goes on and on about “the Wall”, isn’t she the blowhard? It doesn’t do a damned thing to address legal immigration, which is the real problem. Legal immigrants need only follow the wall to a checkpoint, show their papers, and waltz right in.

    • Agree: L. Guapo
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Reg Cæsar

    It's hard to campaign on something fraught with symbolic value to the detriment of other tangible uses; but any metric of concrete political messaging rates "Wall, Bitchez" better than "Don't Change Horses Midstream," "Hopenchange," or "Compassionate Conservatism"

    Remember "Building A Bridge to the 21st Century," lol

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Wall is just shorthand for "cool it with the immigration". Trump was the one who started the Wall talk. At least he made immigration an issue. It would have been better if he had said "we have to stop all illegal immigration and drastically reduce legal immigration".

  100. If Trump wanted to sound with it he could point out Waymo, Tesla and GM recently released fully autonomous beta vehicles making drivers redundant.

  101. I am all for all wall and restrictions on immigration and visa. Mainly due to conservation and infrastructure issues. Unfortunately the riots kinda proved a good bit of American kids (anyone under 40 is a kid to me) are thoroughly worthless. Also an American education isn’t worth the paper the diplomas are printed on. Finally there is something extremely wrong with the general state of American white women, including my fellow female boomers. 2020 has been quite a startling revelation of the state of the country.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  102. @Stan Adams
    Steve, any thoughts on the rumors about Hunter Biden’s dalliances with his 14-year-old niece?

    Papa Joe knew about the allegations - Hunter himself told him about them. If there’s any truth to them, then Our Next President(TM) might very well be a party to stautory rape.

    They nailed Joe Pa (of Penn State fame) for knowing about but not telling the police about the crimes of Jerry Sandusky; is Joe Bidin’ (His Time ‘til the Election) next?

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend. Is America ready for a president who stands idly by while his son has a fling with his other son’s daughter?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @BB753, @ScarletNumber

    “Is America ready for a president who stands idly by while his son has a fling with his other son’s daughter?”

    Yes, America is ready. And Papa Joe might not have stood idly by, given his preferences, if you get my drift….
    Aa a country, America is degenerate enough to vote for anybody who will hand out free stuff to them.

    • Agree: Seneca44
  103. Does Trump want to talk about “kids in cages at the border”?

  104. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    Of course he won’t follow Coulter’s advice, because he is a vain, shallow blowhard.
     
    As long as Miss Coulter goes on and on about "the Wall", isn't she the blowhard? It doesn't do a damned thing to address legal immigration, which is the real problem. Legal immigrants need only follow the wall to a checkpoint, show their papers, and waltz right in.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    It’s hard to campaign on something fraught with symbolic value to the detriment of other tangible uses; but any metric of concrete political messaging rates “Wall, Bitchez” better than “Don’t Change Horses Midstream,” “Hopenchange,” or “Compassionate Conservatism”

    Remember “Building A Bridge to the 21st Century,” lol

  105. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Looks like I called it, it's DNC-CCP all the way down:

    https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1319277497037385728?s=19

    Round these people up, charge them with treason and crimes against humanity, then punish them.

    Replies: @DextersLabRat

    Nothing will come of this just like nothing came of the Hillary emails and whatnot. Just like Snowden won’t be pardoned. Just like a billion other things. Trump is useless.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
    • Disagree: Harry Baldwin
  106. @BB753
    @Buffalo Joe

    California won't stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch's dream!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @res

    BB73, don’t know how anyone could disagree with you.

  107. @AnotherDad
    @Jack D

    Think you're off base here, Jack.

    I can be wrong on the specifics--this or that phrase or quip--but on the general question, i'm on target.

    For 50+ minoritarianism has been on the rise basically unimpeded because conservatives are too racially polite, to challenge it's "poor innocent oppressed blacks" and "evil oppressive pickup driving white gentiles" narrative.

    Biden-Harris/the Democrats have the past few years--and this year really amped up--pushed a narrative of killer cops structurally racistly oppressing poor innocent blacks ... and in doing so have attacked the basic rule-of-law which on top of white genes is key to American prosperity.

    Either Trump can deflate that toxic narrative ... or down he goes.

    ~~~

    If the election is still in reach--i.e. Trump is not going to get blown out by losing here in Florida and up in North Carolina--then Trump's path is through your home state of Pennsylvania and/or Michigan.

    To do that Trump must
    -- energize the "Deer Hunter" whites--give them something, some reminder Trump is really in their corner, which calling "bullshit" on the Democrats anti-cop, poor-oppressed-blacks, pro-crime narrative, along pounding on immigration and China trade and Democrat lock downs can do.
    -- flip back some suburban college educated whites; this is harder but pounding on "rule of law" and reminding them of the Democrats previous soft-on-crime 60-90s era and what a disaster it was would really help

    In addition Trump benefits by sowing confusion and de-energizing:
    -- single white women; many of whom vaguely know black neighborhoods are "sketchy" but don't have a good sense of just what a big sack of shit the Democrats big-lie is
    -- middle/working-class "family blacks" who aren't government job dependent or criminals, are smart enough to know black criminals and illegal immigration are much bigger threats to their kids, but need to be reminded what a nasty, patronizing narrative about black the Democrats are pushing


    I'd add to my list a item specifically calling up the history:
    -- For those of us old enough to remember, the Democrats have put us through this before. Democrats when soft-on-crime--let's not lock up criminals--in the 60s. And America paid for it with a crime explosion, which devastated our cities. It took Republicans--like Rudy Guiliani--who were willing to enforce the law and put criminals in jail to make our cities livable again in the late 90s.

    The Democrats lies and BLM terrorism for the 2014 election boosted the murder rate 20%. But after my election, it has been dropping back down. Now the Democrats' BLM riots and looting and telling the police to stand down has driven up the murder rate again--20, 30, 40% in Democrat cities. And they want to defund the police! Seriously.

    Do we really want to do this again. Let the Democrats pro-criminal police jack back up the crime rate and destroy our cities once again?

    Replies: @Mike_from_SGV

    You are putting forward some excellent points that Trump could make. He should have been making them 10 months ago. However, to effectively make these points in the debate would take a level of verbal precision and articulateness that Trump simply lacks. I think his background as the sole leader of a family business allowed him to get by as a commander, and has left him poorly prepared for being able to persuade a majority of voters.

  108. @GreatSocialist
    The lovable but hopelessly naive Ann Coulter should realize by now that men like Trump will always let her down, no matter how many gushing fan-girl books she writes to glorify or worship them.

    To Trump, Ann is just an ugly, anorexic horseface whose only use is that she can convince a few more dumbass conservatives to vote for a jackass scumbag like himself.

    I find Ann entertaining and sympathize with her racist fears of being of being swamped by jihadists, blacks and Mexicans.

    Trouble is, America never belonged to the "whites", it belonged to the native Red Indians until the whites cheated them out of their land used genocidal policies to slowly exterminate them.

    So if whites have fears of being "replaced", that's just sadshit for them because that's what they did to the native Red Indians.

    Whites, particularly those in the US(which has a country IQ of abt 90), need to accept that they are not and have never been an exceptional or superior race or culture, except in their own little delusions.

    Whites need to learn to live with other races and cultures in a peaceful and non-elitist way.

    My final advice to Ann is to simply join the enemy she cannot beat, ie Ann should "go black' and experience the astral nirvana of having relations with black and asian men other than those who think and look like Ted "reptilian" Cruz, Tom"microcaephalic"Cotton, and Marco "sweaty" Rubio.

    Replies: @El Dato, @Lace, @Buffalo Joe

    GS, The Europeans also raised the Red Indians out of the stone age in years, not centuries. The Red Indians loved to savage, rape, torture, kidnap and kill their fellow Red Indians and did so even after they were forced onto reservations. The Tuscaroras, on their nearby reservation, are in WNY, because the Cherokee drove them out of the south. Oh, and Tiny, good use of your new Thesaurus. The final paragraph gave you away.

  109. Here’s a quote from Tony Bobulinsky, who was CEO of Sinohawk Holdings, a partnership betweenthe Chinese and the Biden family:

    “The Biden family aggressively leveraged the Biden family name to make millions of dollars from foreign entities even though some were from communist controlled China.”

    Yet another use of that political strategy of FIRST accusing your opponent of what YOU YOURSELF are guilty. Who stood to make millions with their family name by putting “The Big Guy” in the White House? The Biden crime family, that’s who.

  110. @anonymous
    Another needle Trump needs to thread carefully is how to highlight Biden's Hell Family without Joe stroking out, Hunter killing himself, or Hunter's 14 year old niece harming herself before the election.

    A Biden self-harming event could turn everything shitty as can be. It wouldn't be Trump's fault, but he would be blamed for doing the poking.

    I recall many years ago the New Yorker splashing Anna Nicole Smith on their cover under the banner of "White Trash America," and... it's actually still true. There's a lot of dumb white trash out there, voting on caprice.

    Taming white trash en masse is like taming a tiger. Even if you're skilled at it, it can still go badly. Bald-faced confidence coupled with knowing when to stay still can carry the day, when nothing else works.

    In any case, I have a sneaking suspicion Trump has more going for him than he let's on. His active strategy is too sure-handed. He's not flailing around like Biden. He's got a plan, and he's cranking it.

    As for well-to-do capricious White people... those lines of people in Newport Beach. Jesus. How did he get those people out on the street all at once? That line went on for at least half a mile. The hardest thing to do is get people who do 60 hour work weeks to take time out for political bullshit. They're either working, sleeping, or sailing over there. The last thing people of Newport Beach want to do is stand on the side of any road with fucking political banners, for ANYbody.

    A small, but unique accomplishment. It portends to surprises to come.

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard, @Buffalo Joe

    TwoFiveFive, the Kennedys maintained upper class political status even after one of RFK sons was proven to be banging his children’s 14 year old babysitter. Fourteen might not even be the lower limit for these slimeballs.

  111. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    No, we didn’t do “this debate”. Only one side got to speak 60 years ago.

  112. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    I am not sweating this at all.

    LOL

  113. @AndrewR
    @Stan Adams

    We can cross that bridge if it ever materializes, but that is such a low blow that, unless there's irrefutable proof, then I don't know why any decent person would even mention it. There is enough to nail them to the wall that we don't have to resort to completely unsubstantiated allegations of extreme criminal sexual deviance

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    This is why we lose. We’re more concerned about behaving honorably than about using every bit of ammunition at our disposal.

    Our opponents do not subscribe to the Geneva Convention of politics. If similar allegations were made about Don Jr., the Democrats would not hesitate to use them against his father. Indeed, they would be happy to fabricate wildly baseless claims out of thin air.

    Dragging Hunter’s degenerate sex life into this mess of an election campaign is a sleazy tactic, yes. But we’re fighting for our lives and all’s fair in love and war.

    Right now, the disinfobot on my local CBS affiliate is prattling on about how the Trump campaign is conspiring with Russia and Iran to intimidate voters. Listening to the news is like watching a schizophrenic bum mutter about CIA agents using mind-control death rays to drill holes in his head. Trump is simultaneously the stupidest moron and the most diabolical genius who ever lived.

    How do you deal with people who are willing to lie so shamelessly and brazenly and openly? The answer is, you go after them with everything you’ve got.

  114. OT: A respected jazz pianist from Japan is brutally assaulted by eight “teens” in a subway station at 135th street in Harlem. The race of the attackers seems to be unclear though, and according to the New York Times the real story has something to do with social media:

    The tenor of social media posts changed. Now it was a story about racism, about “white thugs” inspired by Mr. Trump in one post, or, in a Twitter post soon after, about “racist blacks in Harlem” who “get away with racial slurs and violence.”

    As a window on racial violence rather than a random assault, social media posts spread beyond jazz circles. Grace Meng, a congresswoman representing part of Queens, wrote that “Hate — against AAPIs and against any community — has no place in New York,” using the abbreviation for Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders. Any uncertainty about the attackers’ motives seemed to evaporate.

  115. Damn.

  116. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    The way in which this has any truth to it is that the controllers and perverters of our laws have decided that white people denying any kind of benefit to any nonwhite people for any reason is the most important legal issue of our day, to the complete exclusion of things like Chinese subversion of high officials, warmongering based on not even lies, child molestation on video, sedition by unelected bureaucrats who feel open contempt for the American People and their Constitution, murders, riots, incitements to violence, destruction of property, and censorship. Happily, these geniuses have decided to cut straight to the part where stuff gets smashed and burned down. We await the picture of Chicago or Minneapolis a year on. We already know that people who can are fleeing California and New York. Steve isn’t, so he must not be able to, so that’s one more reason to donate today.

  117. @Stan Adams
    Steve, any thoughts on the rumors about Hunter Biden’s dalliances with his 14-year-old niece?

    Papa Joe knew about the allegations - Hunter himself told him about them. If there’s any truth to them, then Our Next President(TM) might very well be a party to stautory rape.

    They nailed Joe Pa (of Penn State fame) for knowing about but not telling the police about the crimes of Jerry Sandusky; is Joe Bidin’ (His Time ‘til the Election) next?

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend. Is America ready for a president who stands idly by while his son has a fling with his other son’s daughter?

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Anon, @BB753, @ScarletNumber

    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend.

    No, she wasn’t.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @ScarletNumber

    Do you live in the same universe as me?

  118. My advice? This evening, leave the son out of it. Hammer it 24/7 while campaigning. But not here.

    Biden, as decrepit and genuinely corrupt as he is, will get a tear jerker comeback out of it. “Don’t you attack my children, blah, blah, blah.” Then he’ll talk about the dead one and his military service, etc.

    A more articulate candidate than Trump might be able to pull it off, but Trump will just sound like “China… crime family… corruption” and it won’t be coherent to the normies and women. Then he’ll get hit with the “don’t attack my children” business.

    Stay away from it.

  119. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses.

    Is that your idea of “us” have a debate about segregation? The very fact that internal police have to be called in to silence people shows that forced integration is just that … forced.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  120. @Anonymous
    @Jack D

    So you’re against people having the right of freedom of association?

    In the long sweep of history, segregation always exists. It has existed in India for 2000 years. It will exist here in America too. It already does under the table. It will just do so more openly in the future.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    So you’re against people having the right of freedom of association?

    Freedom of association took a deep hit when it was suddenly embraced by those who had never before paid it any attention, indeed, were hostile to it. Those who had always been true to the concept, e.g., the Barry Goldwaters, were no longer taken seriously. They were assumed to be hypocrites like the johnnies-come-lately.

    From freedom of association to guilt by association.

  121. @Ben tillman
    @Anonymous

    I tried it already, and it sounded just like Bo Belinsky, which is a problem if you’re talking to baseball fans over a certain age.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I tried it already, and it sounded just like Bo Belinsky, which is a problem if you’re talking to baseball fans over a certain age.

    Try applying this helpful mnemonic device…

  122. @Anonymous
    @RichardTaylor

    As a practical matter, only white people are denied segregation. Blacks, Latinos, Asians, they all have their own areas when they want them.

    Why can’t white people have the same rights as everyone else?

    Replies: @Rob McX

    As a practical matter, only white people are denied segregation.

    They’re not denied it if they can afford it, i.e. in rich gated communities.

    When you see whites self-segregating, it’s because nobody else can afford to live there. When blacks self-segregate, it’s because anybody else would be afraid to live there.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Mild Mike
    @Rob McX

    They’re not denied it if they can afford it, i.e. in rich gated communities.

    When you see whites self-segregating, it’s because nobody else can afford to live there. When blacks self-segregate, it’s because anybody else would be afraid to live there.

    This is very well put, mate. I might add whites will also self-segregate to places no one would want to live. If they can't afford to live there--they'll head to some god-awful place like Salt n' Sea...or Inland from the lovely coasts to some hot, dry, dusty, get-me-the-hell-out joint no black would ever dream of living. Sailer has written eloquently on blacks living on this wonder real-estate in California and the Elite attempts to drive them Eastward and out of there. But they ain't gonna be no triple-platinum rap songs with the homies living around a bunch of tweaked-out, down n' out crackers in whogivesatossville, CA.

  123. What these debates really could use is a half-time spectacular.

    To open, the Bangles might perform “Walk Like an Elephant”, with dancers portraying the late Nino and RBG on their mount.

    Then Cardi B can wow us with “Wet-Ass Donkey”, accompanied by a male Mexican troupe.

  124. @RichardTaylor
    @The Alarmist

    Walls to keep people imprisoned(like the old USSR) are fundamentally different than walls to protect from invaders. Communists built walls to force people to stay. We must build them to keep from being swamped by a billion who want to move here.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @The Alarmist

    Both walls and absence thereof can be manifestations of tyranny – the former to keep people in, the latter to enable invasion from outside.

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @Rob McX


    Both walls and absence thereof can be manifestations of tyranny – the former to keep people in, the latter to enable invasion from outside.
     
    Well put Rob.

    One of the critical things about our current tyranny is that it really is a tyranny for the government to *not* do the things it should do, but by claiming authority prevents the citizenry from organizing (i.e. a government) to do them itself.

    This goes for prevention of invasion. It goes for the rule of law.
  125. @Reg Cæsar

    The Last Debate
     
    Ever?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    The Last Debate

    Promise?

    OT: Here’s what might happen if no one wins right away:

    https://americanmind.org/essays/what-happens-if-no-one-wins/

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Jim Don Bob


    OT: Here’s what might happen if no one wins right away:

     

    They say that Mike Pence could relect himself in a contingency election (only used once, in 1836) using his tie-breaking vote in the Senate. I'd just read another expert source saying that the VP does not have that power; it's restricted to bills. Let's just say it's still up in the air.

    Not since Grover Cleveland's 1880s has an election close enough to be unclear, whether in the EC or the "popular vote", been followed by another. The next one has always had a clear outcome. The nearest to a repeat would be 2004. I stopped predicting elections decades ago; the closest I'll come this time is saying it will probably be clear. On the other hand, perhaps 2004 was the start of a trend.

    Actually, 2016 was quite clear. About a dozen elections have been closer in the EC than the last. The PV was also clear, just in the other direction.

    For a really unclear election, you can't beat 1960's. Richard Daley's rescue of the Illinois electors is legendary. But the PV is also questionable. Kennedy only wins if you give him all of Alabama's votes, which is illegitimate. But 1960 is never included in the "inversions" for some unstated reason.

    In addition, Hawaii celebrated her new statehood with two slates of electors, one of which had to be rejected. But that was too small to make a difference.
  126. The way this election is going, Trump will be toast no matter what he does from now until Nov.

    It looks like the electorate has made up its mind to eject Trump’s huge, flabby ass from the White house n fill it with huggy Joe Biden.

    At least this time Ann Coulter won’t be crying for her dumbass idol, as she has been calling him a shallow, lazy ignoramus for some time.

    It’s amazing that he can con his dumbass supporters into believing that he has actually built new lengths of Wall when all he has done is replace old Wall with barriers or fences that are hardly any different.

    Didn’t Ann joke that she wanted to organize a 5K run along the new Wall trump had built? Because he only built less than 5km of new Wall.

    I guess it’s like Trump University and Trump 6 bankrupt casinos and his listed company DJT, a lot of promises but they all go bankrupt and turn into shit eventually.

    Conservatives and Republicans deserve a president better than this lying sack of manure.

  127. Sure hope Trump is on his game tonight, doesn’t get distracted and pounds away at
    — “Biden riots”, “Democrats Antifa thugs” and “rule of law”
    — “Biden lockdowns”
    — “Biden corruption”
    — affordable family formation — protecting you and your children’s wages, job and housing and schooling from the Democrats immigration inundation and amnesty

    and broadly “who is on your side” and

    “whom do you trust to lead America back from lockdown and protect your jobs, your wages, your family’s future and the American Dream”

    Don’t get distracted … and win this thing tonight!

  128. @Reg Cæsar
    We don't need a Maginot Wall. We need a wage wall.

    Replies: @Bard of Bumperstickers

    That’s more or less what Ron Paul has said – change what we do that draws them here. And, of course, treat them as they’d treat us, were we to wander, uninvited, into their area.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  129. @RichardTaylor
    Building a wall would be great. But as a practical matter, there are already enough non-Whites in America that if forced integration continues, the White population will be swamped. Less than 50% of children born in this country are White.

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It's the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don't have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Guy De Champlagne, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Neoconned

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It’s the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don’t have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    To answer your last question, without the right to discriminate you are not free.

    Freedom of association, the right to say “no”, is at the root of all freedom. It is so fundamental, that i honestly believe our founders simply never conceived that they needed to write it down. They wrote down abuses that they had seen–like the government forcing you to quarter their troops or taking your property. But they simply did not conceive of the government saying “Oh, you must rent to Mohammed” or “You must bake a cake for Bruce”.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    It is so fundamental, that i honestly believe our founders simply never conceived that they needed to write it down.
     
    I think that could apply to a lot of things that get approved by the Supreme Court. If the founders could have seen two centuries into the future, they'd surely have taken the precaution of writing that marriage is exclusively between people of opposite sexes, for instance.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Hibernian

  130. @ScarletNumber
    @Stan Adams


    Sarah Palin was raked over the coals for “allowing” her daughter to get knocked up by a boyfriend.
     
    No, she wasn't.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    Do you live in the same universe as me?

  131. @Prof. Woland
    One bit a speculation about why the FBI was sitting on the Hunter Biden laptop is that once Joe was elected, it would be pulled out to either get him to resign or have him removed from office. Maybe the FBI wants a President Harris? The problem now is that Rudy Giuliani and the Delaware State Police among others have copy's and it is now prematurely dripping out. What Christopher Wray needs to do post haste is let the public know if they have been verified and why no one moved on it. The would absolutely have impacted the Trump impeachment and the Democratic primaries but instead of a Biden / Harris it would have been Sanders / AOC. Also, there is evidence of child abuse then the CPS should have been notified asap. Instead it seems that it was boxed up and stored in a gubmint warehouse like the Lost Ark in Indiana Jones. Inquiring minds want to know.

    Replies: @Travis

    The FBI attempted a coup against the President. The FBI is thoroughly corrupt and releasing the details of the Biden’s corruption would have made Trump’s discussion with Ukraine appear to be not only prudent, but it demonstrates Trump doing his job as chief executive to drain the swamp. It would ahve completely changed the narrative in December of 2019 going into February when the wasted so much of the Nations time impeaching the President for attempting to expose the corruption of Biden and indirectly Obama.

    Few thought Biden would win the nomination. They withheld the evidence against Biden to they could impeach Trump after the Russian collusion hoax failed. The FBI and the the deep state would have other means to get keep Saunders out of office. But keeping Biden a viable candidate was certianly better for the deep state then the alternative, exposing the corruption of the leading deep state politicians.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @Travis

    Everyone seems to think that political dominance requires deep intelligence. It does not. It is gladhanding, networking, scrappling, and a fair bit of charisma. So, who showed that tonight?

    , @Prof. Woland
    @Travis

    Well said. Somewhere I picked up that the FBI was pursuing this as 'money laundering' which means they could just bury the case indefinitely while they 'investigated' the matter. In a normal child abuse / smoking crack scenario, Hunter would have been taken down immediately hence spilling the beans. So just follow who in the FBI was in charge of this and add them to the coup plot.

    As implausible as "President Biden" sounds, I think the idea was always to use him strictly as a "place holder" so his vice president, whoever that black woman would be, would quickly assume the reigns of power. Kamala Harris washed out in the first round of the primaries. Nobody liked her. In fact, I believe that her only real purpose in running was to advertise as VP. Her lack of popularity did not matter. She was the Obama pick and had all the right people behind her.

    The beauty of this thing is that it will not ever go away irrespective of whether Biden is elected or not and not only are Joe's fingerprints all over it but Obama's too. If not because Obama siphoned money for himself then because he knew nothing while there was corruption going on with his subordinates. The Biden's and Obamas will never get the taint off of them and if there is a President Harris, she will have it on her too.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  132. @Travis
    Steve is 100% correct. Trump was elected to restrict immigration and should be pounding in this issue again, forcing Biden to defend amnesty.

    He should Push for immigration reform to eliminate the Diversity visa and eliminate the H1B visa program. These two issue are extremely popular with Americans. Force Biden to defend the diversity visa program and his opposition to building a wall to protect our borders.

    He should attack the H1B visa program highlight that if diversity is so great, why are 100% of the visa recipients from Asia? Why is are the big tech firms discriminating. This is racist, It needs to be reformed or ended. Why are 90% of the H1B visa recipients men ? This is sexist. We need to reform the H1b visa allocation process- no nation gets more than 10% of the visas. Females must get 50% of the limited number of H1B visas we issue.

    by forcing the leftist to own up to their diversity standards we can destroy the benefits of this poorly designed program and highlight the hypocrisy of the big tech firms which are always promoting diversity. Also highlight that we cannot keep these programs going during the pandemic. We need to pause all Immigration until the pandemic is over. No more H1B visas until the pandemic ends. President Trump implemented a freeze on granting H1B visas to applicants overseas until the end of this year. He should state he will continue this policy thru 2021 due to the Pandemic

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Your point about the hypocrisy of “diversity” and the actual H1B visas–overwhelmingly men, overwhelmingly Asian, mostly Indian–is a good quip.

    Trump could do a whole lot for himself, if he could for once clearly relate immigration–the H1B–to diminished opportunities for HS and college graduates–and then promise to fight like hell to make sure American kids get American jobs.

  133. DJT will speak at length about “anti-white racism.”

    And I am Marie Kaldian of Armenia.

  134. @AnotherDad
    @RichardTaylor


    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It’s the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don’t have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?
     
    To answer your last question, without the right to discriminate you are not free.

    Freedom of association, the right to say "no", is at the root of all freedom. It is so fundamental, that i honestly believe our founders simply never conceived that they needed to write it down. They wrote down abuses that they had seen--like the government forcing you to quarter their troops or taking your property. But they simply did not conceive of the government saying "Oh, you must rent to Mohammed" or "You must bake a cake for Bruce".

    Replies: @Rob McX

    It is so fundamental, that i honestly believe our founders simply never conceived that they needed to write it down.

    I think that could apply to a lot of things that get approved by the Supreme Court. If the founders could have seen two centuries into the future, they’d surely have taken the precaution of writing that marriage is exclusively between people of opposite sexes, for instance.

    • Replies: @PiltdownMan
    @Rob McX


    If the founders could have seen two centuries into the future, they’d surely have taken the precaution of writing that marriage is exclusively between people of opposite sexes, for instance.
     
    Good point. It would be an interesting, albeit speculative, exercise to try and list as many of the additional clauses that they might explicitly written in, had they been able to do so.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Hibernian
    @Rob McX

    The constitution is suitable only for the government of a moral and religious people. - Approximate quote from John Adams.

  135. I’d like a (completed) wall too. But we’d be better off with no wall as long as it comes with no birthright citizenship, no amnesty, no path to citizenship and no benefits whatsoever for illegals. The bigger problem is not the lack of a wall but the laws in place that make a wall even necessary.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, V. Hickel
    • Replies: @Abolish_public_education
    @Anonymous Jew

    The benefits that attract tax leeching illegals to the USA also dissuade tax leeching legals from leaving.

    No benefits whatsoever for legals.

    De-Gauss that magnet!

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Anonymous Jew

    That's does sound like a pretty good deal, but a reasonable border-barrier is a lot easier to implement, while the rest takes more time and pressure. (I'm not saying it isn't ALL necessary.

    Additionally, a benefit of a wall for the illegal side of the problem is that when someone gets deported, he STAYS deported. I'm sure you've read of murders, rapes, violent crime of all sorts in which the perpetrator has been deported multiple times.

  136. @Jim Don Bob
    @Reg Cæsar


    The Last Debate
     
    Promise?

    OT: Here's what might happen if no one wins right away:

    https://americanmind.org/essays/what-happens-if-no-one-wins/

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    OT: Here’s what might happen if no one wins right away:

    They say that Mike Pence could relect himself in a contingency election (only used once, in 1836) using his tie-breaking vote in the Senate. I’d just read another expert source saying that the VP does not have that power; it’s restricted to bills. Let’s just say it’s still up in the air.

    Not since Grover Cleveland’s 1880s has an election close enough to be unclear, whether in the EC or the “popular vote”, been followed by another. The next one has always had a clear outcome. The nearest to a repeat would be 2004. I stopped predicting elections decades ago; the closest I’ll come this time is saying it will probably be clear. On the other hand, perhaps 2004 was the start of a trend.

    Actually, 2016 was quite clear. About a dozen elections have been closer in the EC than the last. The PV was also clear, just in the other direction.

    For a really unclear election, you can’t beat 1960’s. Richard Daley’s rescue of the Illinois electors is legendary. But the PV is also questionable. Kennedy only wins if you give him all of Alabama’s votes, which is illegitimate. But 1960 is never included in the “inversions” for some unstated reason.

    In addition, Hawaii celebrated her new statehood with two slates of electors, one of which had to be rejected. But that was too small to make a difference.

  137. You have to keep in mind that the MAGA hat-wearers who turned up to Trump rallies were only a small proportion of the total number of people who voted for Trump. They were the loudest and most visible segment of his voters but you should not let that mislead you into thinking that they were anywhere near a majority.

    The fact that immigration was the big issue for the MAGA True Believers does not necessarily imply that it was the big issue for Trump’s voters in general. Most of Trump’s voters were just people who always vote Republican anyway. And the voters who mattered, in the swing states, were probably motivated much more highly by economic grievances than by immigration.

    The other problem is that Trump’s tactic of appearing to be stridently anti-immigration may not work a second time. Voters this time would be much less inclined to believe him on this issue.

    If the only people allowed to vote were the minority of people who are intensely politically engaged (the MAGA hat wearers and the denizens of Unz Review) then putting immigration front and centre might be a great idea. But the majority who are only mildly politically engaged are more likely to vote the way the majority always votes – on bread-and-butter issues.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @dfordoom

    This is the truth, and it applies even to most of the MAGA hat crowd. Jared Taylor did some kind of essay or podcast in 2016 talking about interviews he did with with attendees at a Trump rally. He had expected to find fire-breathing immigration hawks, but was taken aback to find that most of them had no problem with legal immigration. Like it or not, Trump's line that "we want them to come lee-gally" actually represents Average Joe Republican's view.

    It is depressing how little Dissident Right talking points have penetrated the typical right winger's mind even now. Twice recently I've talked with groups of people, all Republicans, about immigration. These are reasonably intelligent people who follow politics, and are deeply concerned about the leftward drift of the country. They all had vaguely positive views about immigration that didn't go much beyond Emma Lazarus quotes. When I pointed out that immigration is flipping swing states blue, their response was deer-in-headlights. They had literally never heard the argument before, and had no response to it.

    Replies: @International Jew

    , @RichardTaylor
    @dfordoom

    If voting for Trump isn't about immigration, what is it about? All the standard GOP candidates were destroyed by Trump, specifically because of immigration.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @International Jew, @Travis

    , @Ben tillman
    @dfordoom

    Overall, you’re right, but immigration is very much a bread-and-butter issue.

  138. @Rob McX
    @RichardTaylor

    Both walls and absence thereof can be manifestations of tyranny - the former to keep people in, the latter to enable invasion from outside.

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    Both walls and absence thereof can be manifestations of tyranny – the former to keep people in, the latter to enable invasion from outside.

    Well put Rob.

    One of the critical things about our current tyranny is that it really is a tyranny for the government to *not* do the things it should do, but by claiming authority prevents the citizenry from organizing (i.e. a government) to do them itself.

    This goes for prevention of invasion. It goes for the rule of law.

  139. @Anon
    @Stan Adams

    If Joe had ratted on his kid, it would have killed his own career too. No one votes for a pedo's father.

    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad's example.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad’s example.

    So it’s environmental, rather than hereditary? You’ve opened a can of worms.

    Now the news that he could get away with it, yes, that’s explained by environment. Our political environment.

  140. I’m taking shots of Polish potato vodka every time creepy Joe says “come on” and “malarkey.”

    I’m sufficiently buzzed 53 minutes into the debate.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @petit bourgeois


    I’m taking shots of Polish potato vodka every time creepy Joe says “come on” and “malarkey.”
     
    What brand?

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

  141. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    “I am not sweating this at all.”

    Evidently you don’t know what “flop sweat” means. It’s not physical.

    And yes, your flop sweat is indeed showing.

  142. @BB753
    @Buffalo Joe

    California won't stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch's dream!

    Replies: @Buffalo Joe, @res

    California won’t stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch’s dream!

    What numbers do you see? According to the World Bank the US has had a higher GINI index than India for decades.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/gini-index
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/india/indicator/SI.POV.GINI

    For more perspective, here is an ordered list by country.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings

    And here are the states.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states. And then there is DC…

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @res

    Gini correlates with vote:


    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/election_results_geography_president/ai/ai2html-output/big-map-winner-desktop.png


    https://illinoisepi.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/552032.gif

    Yes, that's an absolutely confusing color scheme. Probably on purpose.

    As with the well-known correlation between women's suffrage and Prohibition, the South throws everything off:


    http://proximityone.com/graphics/gini_cd116_acs2018b1.gif


    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states.
     
    Because 40% of the population lives in a handful of tiny, crowded counties. The great mass of the state's land is quite moderate in Gini. That big red dot upstate is Tompkins County, home of Cornell.


    http://proximityone.com/graphics/gini_county_2015a.gif

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @res

    Gini correlates with vote:


    http://apps.chicagotribune.com/election_results_geography_president/ai/ai2html-output/big-map-winner-desktop.png


    https://illinoisepi.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/552032.gif

    Yes, that's an absolutely confusing color scheme. Probably on purpose.

    As with the well-known correlation between women's suffrage and Prohibition, the South throws everything off. Nevertheless, it's positive. Here's a Gini map by congressional district; sorry, but the image itself won't show in a comment box:


    http://proximityone.com/cd_gini.htm

    Anyone mention immigration?


    https://www.prb.org/poverty-and-inequality-us-counties/


    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states.
     
    Because 40% of the population lives in a handful of tiny, crowded counties. The great mass of the state's land is quite moderate in Gini. That dark blue dot upstate is Tompkins County, home of Cornell.


    https://media.cheggcdn.com/media/5ff/s943x836/5ffe652b-d96a-4746-9fda-21aa98858416/phpTQLSQe.png

    , @BB753
    @res

    Just give them time! It will happen, eventually.

  143. Why do Joe’s eyes look like he’s listening rather than speaking?

  144. @The Wild Geese Howard
    Another horrifying possibility that reminds us the Left is about power:

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1319347484309770241?s=20

    Replies: @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The radical left is more likely to vote for Biden because if his apparent weakness. His apparent senility is a feature of his candidacy , more likely to attract Bernie Bros and other leftists who are hoping he is removed for health reasons in his first year. But the leftist media has panicked over the new evidence of corruption by banning any media coverage, this may backfire in the left. Corruption will reduce the turnout for Biden and increase Republican turnout. It is quite obvious to all Americans that they are hiding important information about Biden from the public, so it might be worse than we suspect. They also are trying to protect the Ivama legacy. This is why Obama opposed the Biden candidacy for so long, he knew Biden had too much dangerous baggage to get elected.

  145. @res
    @BB753


    California won’t stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch’s dream!
     
    What numbers do you see? According to the World Bank the US has had a higher GINI index than India for decades.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/gini-index
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/india/indicator/SI.POV.GINI

    For more perspective, here is an ordered list by country.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings

    And here are the states.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states. And then there is DC...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753

    Gini correlates with vote:



    Yes, that’s an absolutely confusing color scheme. Probably on purpose.

    As with the well-known correlation between women’s suffrage and Prohibition, the South throws everything off:

    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states.

    Because 40% of the population lives in a handful of tiny, crowded counties. The great mass of the state’s land is quite moderate in Gini. That big red dot upstate is Tompkins County, home of Cornell.

  146. I’m a bit f***ed-up at this point but I think Trump won this one.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomas


    I’m a bit f***ed-up at this point but I think Trump won this one.

     

    What was your cue word?




    https://www.debatedrinking.com/

    https://ourcommunitynow.com/food-and-drink/the-ultimate-2020-presidential-debate-drinking-game



    For those on the wagon:


    https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/10/21/washingtonian-2020-presidential-debate-self-care-not-drinking-game/

    Replies: @Thomas

  147. @res
    @BB753


    California won’t stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch’s dream!
     
    What numbers do you see? According to the World Bank the US has had a higher GINI index than India for decades.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/gini-index
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/india/indicator/SI.POV.GINI

    For more perspective, here is an ordered list by country.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings

    And here are the states.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states. And then there is DC...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753

    Gini correlates with vote:



    Yes, that’s an absolutely confusing color scheme. Probably on purpose.

    As with the well-known correlation between women’s suffrage and Prohibition, the South throws everything off. Nevertheless, it’s positive. Here’s a Gini map by congressional district; sorry, but the image itself won’t show in a comment box:

    http://proximityone.com/cd_gini.htm

    Anyone mention immigration?

    https://www.prb.org/poverty-and-inequality-us-counties/

    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states.

    Because 40% of the population lives in a handful of tiny, crowded counties. The great mass of the state’s land is quite moderate in Gini. That dark blue dot upstate is Tompkins County, home of Cornell.

  148. Damn, people of color were getting mass shout-outs tonight.

    Looks like the old adage ‘squeaky wheel gets the grease’ couldn’t be truer. Just riot and burn it down for a few months and you’re now the star of the show.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @anon

    Negros deserve like the rest of us. We're all Americans. Cut up the Thankgivin' Turkey. Side of sweet potatoes, please.

  149. I think this one went better for Trump; he didn’t or couldn’t interrupt so much.

    Biden didn’t humiliate himself to the extent I hoped; but saying he would grant citizenship to eleven million illegals, admitting he was going to shut down the oil industry, and implying firefighters make minimum wage hopefully registered with some voters.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Colin Wright

    Agree. I thought Trump did great on those issues. He also brought up a lot of the Biden cash-grabbing scandals about which those getting their news from the MSM will never have heard. If they do a little research, they may realize that Biden's denials aren't very convincing.

    I'm surprised how well Biden managed to keep it together, though he does look very frail and feeble, and as if he's struggling to express himself. I was amused that he called the Proud Boys the "Poor Boys"--guess he's got Creedence Clearwater on the brain.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Seneca44
    @Colin Wright

    Biden’s obvious disconnect over minimum wage also lost him some economic literates who weren’t already voting for Trump. Trump’s answer that the states should decide was proper federalism.

  150. @Thomas
    I'm a bit f***ed-up at this point but I think Trump won this one.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    • LOL: Kronos
    • Replies: @Thomas
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don't have a "cue word." I got shitfaced before election night on 2016, on schedule, because I figured "whatever happens, happens." I'd already bought an AR-15, put enough liquid funds into crypto, and figured I'd die in the Cascades if I had to, but not alone.

    Tonight, I got shitfaced again, because I figured, again, "whatever happens, happens," as my previous comment on this blog today memorializes.

    And tonight, after, I feel, maybe just a little bit again, the way I did that night in 2016, when anything can happen. But whatever does happen, I won't be alone.

  151. Big Guy Joey Nuzzles had those big, black pupils again. Also lost it almost completely near the end, so whatever they pumped him up with is only good for 2 hours max. Even checked his watch in a panic to see how much time left before his mouth stopped working. I hope we find out someday what the hell that drug is. Actually, no I don’t.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @L. Guapo

    Of course they primed him with knowns so that he could sound informed occasionally and didn't have to pretend to be dominant the entire debate .God what a shit show. Please relieve us. Asteroid?

    , @Coemgen
    @L. Guapo


    Big Guy Joey Nuzzles had those big, black pupils again.
     
    Yeah, it looked like Joe Biden was doing some serious stimulants.
    , @Harry Baldwin
    @L. Guapo

    I thought it was funny that Biden looked at his watch. You hear people say that when George W.W. Bush looked at his watch, it cost him the debate, like there was somewhere else he'd rather be. The camera cut away just as Biden was doing it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

  152. @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    It is so fundamental, that i honestly believe our founders simply never conceived that they needed to write it down.
     
    I think that could apply to a lot of things that get approved by the Supreme Court. If the founders could have seen two centuries into the future, they'd surely have taken the precaution of writing that marriage is exclusively between people of opposite sexes, for instance.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Hibernian

    If the founders could have seen two centuries into the future, they’d surely have taken the precaution of writing that marriage is exclusively between people of opposite sexes, for instance.

    Good point. It would be an interesting, albeit speculative, exercise to try and list as many of the additional clauses that they might explicitly written in, had they been able to do so.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Number one would have been guaranteeing freedom of association.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

  153. @Jack D
    @RichardTaylor

    Didn't we have this debate already and segregation lost? Do you really think that we could do apartheid in 2020?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Stick, @El Dato, @BenKenobi, @Thomas, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Mr. Anon, @Mr. Anon, @Ben tillman, @L. Guapo

    Shouldn’t you be crafting a spirited defense of Jeffrey Toobin about now?

    • LOL: peterike
  154. @PiltdownMan
    @Rob McX


    If the founders could have seen two centuries into the future, they’d surely have taken the precaution of writing that marriage is exclusively between people of opposite sexes, for instance.
     
    Good point. It would be an interesting, albeit speculative, exercise to try and list as many of the additional clauses that they might explicitly written in, had they been able to do so.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Number one would have been guaranteeing freedom of association.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Number one would have been guaranteeing freedom of association.

     

    The Founders had, shall we say, somewhat inconsistent views on that subject.


    If you're looking for like-minded people to free-associate with, try this map of the 2016 election by precinct:

    An amateur cartographer at Washington State University took on the huge task of gathering precinct voting data.


    What will the District of Columbia look like in 100 years? Here is one artist's depiction:


    https://www.washingtonian.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/FO_TIDAL-BASIN-IDEAS-LAB_Curate-Entropy_08_MLK-Jr-Memorial_Field-Operations-994x559.jpg


    They make it still look white. It may be all white in 50 years. Or half-Asian.


    This New Project Imagines What the Tidal Basin Could Look Like in 100 Years

    Gentrification is increasingly whitnening the District, or "New Columbia", if you prefer. Never mind statehood; well-off white SJW's have no business with three electors of their own. Repeal the 23rd!

    Replies: @guest

  155. @Thomas
    @AnotherDad

    I very much doubt Trump is capable of being prepped or helped at this point. He's never been coachable, at best. And, contrary opinions or evidence notwithstanding, I'm certain that he believes he's in his element right now like never before. Less than two weeks to an election he's rallying everywhere and going to a debate where he probably thinks he'll rock (again, in his view).

    Either he's right or he's wrong. Hopefully we'll know in 12 days. If he's right, we'll all have to accept that he's a political savant who knows this game better than anyone. If he's wrong... the price of him not being willing to listen to anyone might be spending much of the rest of his life having to listen to correctional authorities somewhere, perhaps. I don't think the system is just going to let him go back to shilling MAGA or making plans for 2024.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Flying Dutchman

    The self-centeredness of Donald Trump is – real, so to speak. Excuse me for making this joke, there are truths in them, so what: The self-absorbed one is the real Donald Trump.

    If he loses, what follows is not only relevant in this realm of the Trumpian (= really big style) self-centeredness. – It will have political consequences too. It just looks as if the Trumpistas around here would sort of lose their steam in pointing out what the political difference would be. The mood is not the optimistic Trump-mood any more, that I sensed here during the last election cycle.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Dieter Kief

    I always enjoy your comments, but as I understand you're posting from Europe and so wouldn't have a feel for the mood here. Unz.com black-pillers aside, there is plenty of enthusiasm for Trump, especially in light of the alternative. This election is what Scott Adams has dubbed "an extinction-level event" for Republicans. If we lose this one, it's all over. The Democrats will see to it that we're rendered politically irrelevant.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @Bugg
    @Dieter Kief

    Anyone who is a politician has an ego. Any of them who runs for President has a huge ego. Trump doesn't hide it. Recall when Bush Jr. ran, many of today's neocon NeverTrumpers touted how much he didn't need to be president and how he didn't have an ego. That is what as known as TOTAL BULLSHIT.

  156. @anon
    Damn, people of color were getting mass shout-outs tonight.

    Looks like the old adage 'squeaky wheel gets the grease' couldn't be truer. Just riot and burn it down for a few months and you're now the star of the show.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    Negros deserve like the rest of us. We’re all Americans. Cut up the Thankgivin’ Turkey. Side of sweet potatoes, please.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  157. @L. Guapo
    Big Guy Joey Nuzzles had those big, black pupils again. Also lost it almost completely near the end, so whatever they pumped him up with is only good for 2 hours max. Even checked his watch in a panic to see how much time left before his mouth stopped working. I hope we find out someday what the hell that drug is. Actually, no I don't.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Coemgen, @Harry Baldwin

    Of course they primed him with knowns so that he could sound informed occasionally and didn’t have to pretend to be dominant the entire debate .God what a shit show. Please relieve us. Asteroid?

  158. @Jack D
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I am not sweating this at all. If you really think that legal segregation is obtainable in America 2020 you are even more out of touch than I imagined. Publicly advocating for this is more likely to elicit the interest of the FBI than it is to result in any groundswell from the masses. I don't expect some future segregationist Mao to sweep into Washington even in my wildest dreams (nightmares). And even if he does, the people here wishing that this would happen will likely be deeply sorry that they ever wished for it because it will come at an enormous cost in blood and treasure and the regime he sets up will be even less to their liking than the current one.

    Yes and by "we" I mean all Americans of all faiths - the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed with the votes of more than 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, including 80% of the Republicans. In those days the Dem party included a Southern segregationist bloc so their support was less.

    Replies: @HammerJack, @Anonymous, @anon, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @J.Ross, @RichardTaylor, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Moses

    Jewish schools are segregated. They lack diversity and inclusion.

    We will force them by law to take more schwartzes.

    • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
    @Moses


    Joe Biden: "Did you ever think you'd turn on the TV and roughly 2 out of 3 ads would be biracial couples selling a product? That never would've happened in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. This generation is a different generation. They're the least prejudiced, the most optimistic."
     
    Has anyone ever seen an ad where one half of a biracial couple was an Orthodox Jew?

    Replies: @Bubba

  159. @Anonymous
    @PiltdownMan

    Number one would have been guaranteeing freedom of association.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Number one would have been guaranteeing freedom of association.

    The Founders had, shall we say, somewhat inconsistent views on that subject.

    If you’re looking for like-minded people to free-associate with, try this map of the 2016 election by precinct:

    An amateur cartographer at Washington State University took on the huge task of gathering precinct voting data.

    What will the District of Columbia look like in 100 years? Here is one artist’s depiction:

    They make it still look white. It may be all white in 50 years. Or half-Asian.

    This New Project Imagines What the Tidal Basin Could Look Like in 100 Years

    Gentrification is increasingly whitnening the District, or “New Columbia”, if you prefer. Never mind statehood; well-off white SJW’s have no business with three electors of their own. Repeal the 23rd!

    • Replies: @guest
    @Reg Cæsar

    *All* Asian, in the case of MLK's face.

  160. @Reg Cæsar
    @Mr. Anon


    Of course he won’t follow Coulter’s advice, because he is a vain, shallow blowhard.
     
    As long as Miss Coulter goes on and on about "the Wall", isn't she the blowhard? It doesn't do a damned thing to address legal immigration, which is the real problem. Legal immigrants need only follow the wall to a checkpoint, show their papers, and waltz right in.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Mr. Anon

    The Wall is just shorthand for “cool it with the immigration”. Trump was the one who started the Wall talk. At least he made immigration an issue. It would have been better if he had said “we have to stop all illegal immigration and drastically reduce legal immigration”.

  161. Most important line of nite was near end when Biden said he was going to end oil and gas industry
    Trump jumped on it
    Biden tried to soften it but it was too late
    Prolly lost PA, THE state for Dems

    • Replies: @peterike
    @pepperinmono


    Biden tried to soften it but it was too late
    Prolly lost PA, THE state for Dems

     

    Biden will lose PA, until he wins it several days after election night when all the "mail-in" ballots are counted. The comprised and worthless Justice Roberts has already made sure of that. The fix is in.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    , @Corn
    @pepperinmono

    I was too busy to watch the debate but I’ve seen some post debate links on twitter. More than a few Democratic pols in oil producing states are trying to do damage control on Biden’s fracking and oil comments.

  162. @Anonymous Jew
    I’d like a (completed) wall too. But we’d be better off with no wall as long as it comes with no birthright citizenship, no amnesty, no path to citizenship and no benefits whatsoever for illegals. The bigger problem is not the lack of a wall but the laws in place that make a wall even necessary.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Achmed E. Newman

    The benefits that attract tax leeching illegals to the USA also dissuade tax leeching legals from leaving.

    No benefits whatsoever for legals.

    De-Gauss that magnet!

  163. Huge victory for Joe Biden tonight. I had my morning class watch it, and they were very enthused.

  164. He could have hit a home run on immigration after Biden unequivocally advocated amnesty for all 11 million illegal aliens. Instead, he kept repeating the “what’s Joe done in 47 years” mantra. I’m sure Joe did vote for the 1980’s amnesty of 3 million. What did that get us?

    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    @SF


    He could have hit a home run on immigration after Biden unequivocally advocated amnesty for all 11 million illegal aliens. Instead, he kept repeating the “what’s Joe done in 47 years” mantra. I’m sure Joe did vote for the 1980’s amnesty of 3 million. What did that get us?
     
    Trump is so bad at articulating his own positions--or at least the positions he nods at--i couldn't watch.

    But seriously? That was Trump's response to Biden promising amnesty?
  165. I hardly think it was the performance of my lifetime, but I thought Trump did a very respectable job this evening and Biden made some critical errors. Certainly, Trump failed to be undisciplined Cheeto Hitler. Calm, cool, focused, and landed some legitimate punches. I wish he would be like this, more.

    Certainly seemed basically competent and knowledgable on a range of topics. Maybe there were some opportunities for Reagan style clever quips he missed, but it was all I could have asked for. Biden was really not great. He didn’t crash and burn because the meds didn’t wear off, but, he was distinctly lackluster.

    • Agree: jim jones
  166. I hardly think it was the performance of my lifetime, but I thought Trump did a very respectable job this evening and Biden made some critical errors. Certainly, Trump failed to be undisciplined Cheeto Hitler. Calm, cool, focused, and landed some legitimate punches. I wish he would be like this, more.

    Certainly seemed basically competent and knowledgeable on a range of topics. Maybe there were some opportunities for Reagan style clever quips he missed, but it was all I could have asked for. Biden was really not great. He didn’t crash and burn because the Aracept overdose didn’t wear off, but, he was distinctly lackluster.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  167. @L. Guapo
    Big Guy Joey Nuzzles had those big, black pupils again. Also lost it almost completely near the end, so whatever they pumped him up with is only good for 2 hours max. Even checked his watch in a panic to see how much time left before his mouth stopped working. I hope we find out someday what the hell that drug is. Actually, no I don't.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Coemgen, @Harry Baldwin

    Big Guy Joey Nuzzles had those big, black pupils again.

    Yeah, it looked like Joe Biden was doing some serious stimulants.

  168. @Anonymous Jew
    I’d like a (completed) wall too. But we’d be better off with no wall as long as it comes with no birthright citizenship, no amnesty, no path to citizenship and no benefits whatsoever for illegals. The bigger problem is not the lack of a wall but the laws in place that make a wall even necessary.

    Replies: @Abolish_public_education, @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s does sound like a pretty good deal, but a reasonable border-barrier is a lot easier to implement, while the rest takes more time and pressure. (I’m not saying it isn’t ALL necessary.

    Additionally, a benefit of a wall for the illegal side of the problem is that when someone gets deported, he STAYS deported. I’m sure you’ve read of murders, rapes, violent crime of all sorts in which the perpetrator has been deported multiple times.

  169. @Coemgen

    The Last Debate
     
    If Biden "wins" the election, then a plurality of voters have given approval of the use of the FBI, CIA, etc., (pandemics too?) to undermine political opponents.

    Yeah, we'll have nominal debates and elections - until we reach total civilizational collapse.

    On the bright side, it's 2020 - the 400th anniversary of landing of the Puritans in the New World. Oh wait, apparently I'm the only person I know who has noticed.

    Replies: @Coemgen

    Ok, after watching “the debate” it looks like we’re already into the nominal debate era. A moderator (interrogator) posing Democrat talking points as questions is not a debate. It’s propaganda.

    One thing that’s clear after the “debate” and the 60 Minutes interview is that the big lie du jour is that mask wearing will prevent viral transmission.

    Leslie Stahl knows that Trump knows that masks are nothing but a security blanket – she’s just trying to bully Trump into saying something he knows is wrong.

    Why would she do that? Is that good journalism?

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Coemgen

    Coemgen wrote:


    Ok, after watching “the debate” it looks like we’re already into the nominal debate era. A moderator (interrogator) posing Democrat talking points as questions is not a debate. It’s propaganda.
     
    Of course, Kristen Welker was biased -- but by and large she stayed quiet and let them actually debate. That's the best you're gonna get from the MSM.

    My wife had a business meeting and missed the live airing, so I told her the four things that stuck with me:

    1) Biden called Trump "Abe Lincoln." It was meant to be snarky. It was just goofy.

    2) Biden claimed that Hunter's laptop was a Russian plant. Obviously, he has not seen the news the last day or so (like the Bobulinski press conference).

    3) Biden lied about his past position on fracking, but I think it still came through that he wants to end it.

    4) In the exchange on fracking, Biden said he would force the country to go "carbon-neutral" by 2025. That is physically impossible. Later on, he said by 2035, which is what he probably really means -- that would be enormously expensive, but perhaps not literally impossible.

    I think Biden lost Pennsylvania tonight on the energy issue, at least if the Trump campaign can get the ads up fast enough.

    This is the best Trump is capable of -- he can never be Ronald Reagan, but this is his best debate in the last four years.

    Before tonight, I gave the edge to Biden. Now, I give the edge to Trump, though it is ceetainly not a sure thing.

    , @guest
    @Coemgen

    I mean, "the Talk." A presidential debate covered "the Talk." They demanded candidates directly address...what was it? Black parents? I forget.

    Anyway, "the Talk" was a joke back in like 2012. Network news takes 8 year-old jokes seriously.

  170. @Anon
    @Stan Adams

    If Joe had ratted on his kid, it would have killed his own career too. No one votes for a pedo's father.

    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad's example.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Mr. Anon

    Anyway, Joe Biden has always shown a bizarre lack of barriers when it comes to touching women and children inappropriately. Hunter just learned it from his dad’s example.

    Joe Biden has a strange lack of barriers with his own family. His family pictures – many of them – are weird. Maybe I’m just old fashioned, but I don’t think it’s normal to have posed portrait photos of fathers and sons kissing or embracing, nor is it normal to kiss one’s own granddaughter on the lips. That’s weird.

    • Agree: By-tor
  171. @Travis
    @Prof. Woland

    The FBI attempted a coup against the President. The FBI is thoroughly corrupt and releasing the details of the Biden's corruption would have made Trump's discussion with Ukraine appear to be not only prudent, but it demonstrates Trump doing his job as chief executive to drain the swamp. It would ahve completely changed the narrative in December of 2019 going into February when the wasted so much of the Nations time impeaching the President for attempting to expose the corruption of Biden and indirectly Obama.

    Few thought Biden would win the nomination. They withheld the evidence against Biden to they could impeach Trump after the Russian collusion hoax failed. The FBI and the the deep state would have other means to get keep Saunders out of office. But keeping Biden a viable candidate was certianly better for the deep state then the alternative, exposing the corruption of the leading deep state politicians.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Prof. Woland

    Everyone seems to think that political dominance requires deep intelligence. It does not. It is gladhanding, networking, scrappling, and a fair bit of charisma. So, who showed that tonight?

  172. @Colin Wright
    I think this one went better for Trump; he didn't or couldn't interrupt so much.

    Biden didn't humiliate himself to the extent I hoped; but saying he would grant citizenship to eleven million illegals, admitting he was going to shut down the oil industry, and implying firefighters make minimum wage hopefully registered with some voters.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Seneca44

    Agree. I thought Trump did great on those issues. He also brought up a lot of the Biden cash-grabbing scandals about which those getting their news from the MSM will never have heard. If they do a little research, they may realize that Biden’s denials aren’t very convincing.

    I’m surprised how well Biden managed to keep it together, though he does look very frail and feeble, and as if he’s struggling to express himself. I was amused that he called the Proud Boys the “Poor Boys”–guess he’s got Creedence Clearwater on the brain.

    • Replies: @bomag
    @Harry Baldwin


    I’m surprised how well Biden managed to keep it together, though he does look very frail and feeble, and as if he’s struggling to express himself.
     
    Agree. I thought that one more paragraph of speaking on each topic would have Biden grinding to a halt. I was kind of rooting for him like one roots for the special child to get out the memorized line.

    He did come alive a few times.

    But those dead eyes were not a good look.

    Replies: @Jack D

  173. @Colin Wright
    I think this one went better for Trump; he didn't or couldn't interrupt so much.

    Biden didn't humiliate himself to the extent I hoped; but saying he would grant citizenship to eleven million illegals, admitting he was going to shut down the oil industry, and implying firefighters make minimum wage hopefully registered with some voters.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Seneca44

    Biden’s obvious disconnect over minimum wage also lost him some economic literates who weren’t already voting for Trump. Trump’s answer that the states should decide was proper federalism.

    • Agree: PhysicistDave
  174. @L. Guapo
    Big Guy Joey Nuzzles had those big, black pupils again. Also lost it almost completely near the end, so whatever they pumped him up with is only good for 2 hours max. Even checked his watch in a panic to see how much time left before his mouth stopped working. I hope we find out someday what the hell that drug is. Actually, no I don't.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Coemgen, @Harry Baldwin

    I thought it was funny that Biden looked at his watch. You hear people say that when George W.W. Bush looked at his watch, it cost him the debate, like there was somewhere else he’d rather be. The camera cut away just as Biden was doing it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Harry Baldwin


    I thought it was funny that Biden looked at his watch. You hear people say that when George W.W. Bush looked at his watch, it cost him the debate, like there was somewhere else he’d rather be. The camera cut away just as Biden was doing it.
     
    I noticed that. Oops - he's looking at his watch! Switch cameras! Switch cameras!
    , @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    I noticed that long watch look too. And remembered how that (but much shorter) was played up by the press as indicative of Bush I being aloof and disengaged when he did it.

    For some reason, I'm doubting the press is going to be hyping it to the hilt here.

    Replies: @sayless

    , @JohnnyWalker123
    @Harry Baldwin

    Convenient timing.

  175. @peterike
    Ann has been a great disappointment. She's like so many of the eeyore's around here who pout like little children about Trump because he couldn't wave his hands and give them all their wishes.

    Trump actually has built almost 400 miles of wall, much of it in high-impact areas, and every inch of it built in the face of opposition from both parties, much of the judiciary and of course the media. But the eeyore's never take this into account.

    In some sense I agree. Trump ought to be like Obama -- just declare whatever unconstitutional thing he wants to do, and do it. But everyone rolled over for Obama, whereas they fight Trump tooth and nail. And despite the constant shouting by the Left that Trump is a "dictator" or whatever, he's actually the most procedure compliant President we've had in ages. Trump follows the rules, often to his own detriment.

    Anyway, if Hillary had won, how much wall would you have? Zero. If Biden wins he'll tear it down as a "gesture" and re-open all the floodgates Trump has been steadily closing (e.g. refugees at its lowest in decades ).

    Not voting for Trump in 2020 is an act of consummate stupidity.

    Replies: @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Guy De Champlagne, @James Braxton, @AndrewR

    You’re turning into Jack Hanson 2.0, Peter. Those who criticize Trump do it because they have been disappointed so many times, and, for a quite different reason often (as with Ann in this column), because they think he is stupidly losing this thing. We all on here want Trump to win. How could you not know that? We all on here will vote for him, or at least not for Biden.

    Trump is a blabbermouth and a bullshitter, but we realize he is on our side. The criticism is mostly valid though. He is just plain a bad executive with respect to hiring good people (like, ON HIS SIDE, for example). He has no long-term steady-going strategy, probably because he is continually and so easily distracted. I hope he has learned something from the 1st term and could do better in a 2nd. Even if he doesn’t, of course, he’s better than the alternative.

    Re: immigration, I pointed out a VDare article the other day with quite a bit of big-picture, overall good news from a few years, in the numbers of legal immigrants. On the wall, 400 miles sounds encouraging, but all but a few miles of that is rebuild of old border barrier. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it is not 400 miles of new wall.

    I’m not watching the debate. I just have my signs, and I’m more happy to vote for him after reading that VDare article by “Washington Watcher II” from a week or so ago. OK, here it is – “NYT Delivers Unintentional Endorsement Of Trump’s Immigration Triumph”. If the NY Times hates his immigration policy, he is doing SOMETHING right.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You’re turning into Jack Hanson 2.0, Peter.
     
    Where is Jack? I miss his snark.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @peterike
    @Achmed E. Newman


    We all on here will vote for him, or at least not for Biden.

     

    Countless people have directly said they will vote for Biden. I don't mind people who are disappointed in Trump but will vote for him anyway. I do mind people whining here about Trump being nothing but a "blowhard" or whatever, trying to discourage others to not vote for Trump. People who will vote for Biden are simple too stupid to help.

    400 miles sounds encouraging, but all but a few miles of that is rebuild of old border barrier. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it is not 400 miles of new wall.
     
    Yes it is. The old "barriers" were utterly useless. They also happened to be in some of the most important crossing points. When you replace a leaky roof with a roof that doesn't leak, you say you got a new roof.
  176. @Dieter Kief
    @Thomas

    The self-centeredness of Donald Trump is - real, so to speak. Excuse me for making this joke, there are truths in them, so what: The self-absorbed one is the real Donald Trump.

    If he loses, what follows is not only relevant in this realm of the Trumpian (= really big style) self-centeredness. - It will have political consequences too. It just looks as if the Trumpistas around here would sort of lose their steam in pointing out what the political difference would be. The mood is not the optimistic Trump-mood any more, that I sensed here during the last election cycle.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Bugg

    I always enjoy your comments, but as I understand you’re posting from Europe and so wouldn’t have a feel for the mood here. Unz.com black-pillers aside, there is plenty of enthusiasm for Trump, especially in light of the alternative. This election is what Scott Adams has dubbed “an extinction-level event” for Republicans. If we lose this one, it’s all over. The Democrats will see to it that we’re rendered politically irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thanks Harry Baldwin - Ann Coulter did not sound optimistic, not even pleased - more like she'd be - frustrated?

    Btw . Scott Adams posted on Twitter: "Solid debate. Trump won."

    Replies: @Allen

  177. Anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom
    You have to keep in mind that the MAGA hat-wearers who turned up to Trump rallies were only a small proportion of the total number of people who voted for Trump. They were the loudest and most visible segment of his voters but you should not let that mislead you into thinking that they were anywhere near a majority.

    The fact that immigration was the big issue for the MAGA True Believers does not necessarily imply that it was the big issue for Trump's voters in general. Most of Trump's voters were just people who always vote Republican anyway. And the voters who mattered, in the swing states, were probably motivated much more highly by economic grievances than by immigration.

    The other problem is that Trump's tactic of appearing to be stridently anti-immigration may not work a second time. Voters this time would be much less inclined to believe him on this issue.

    If the only people allowed to vote were the minority of people who are intensely politically engaged (the MAGA hat wearers and the denizens of Unz Review) then putting immigration front and centre might be a great idea. But the majority who are only mildly politically engaged are more likely to vote the way the majority always votes - on bread-and-butter issues.

    Replies: @Anon, @RichardTaylor, @Ben tillman

    This is the truth, and it applies even to most of the MAGA hat crowd. Jared Taylor did some kind of essay or podcast in 2016 talking about interviews he did with with attendees at a Trump rally. He had expected to find fire-breathing immigration hawks, but was taken aback to find that most of them had no problem with legal immigration. Like it or not, Trump’s line that “we want them to come lee-gally” actually represents Average Joe Republican’s view.

    It is depressing how little Dissident Right talking points have penetrated the typical right winger’s mind even now. Twice recently I’ve talked with groups of people, all Republicans, about immigration. These are reasonably intelligent people who follow politics, and are deeply concerned about the leftward drift of the country. They all had vaguely positive views about immigration that didn’t go much beyond Emma Lazarus quotes. When I pointed out that immigration is flipping swing states blue, their response was deer-in-headlights. They had literally never heard the argument before, and had no response to it.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, HammerJack
    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Anon

    Yep. They're not interested in immigration. Unfortunately, immigration is interested in them.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin

  178. Not only was the moderator ‘relatively’ fair, she did a much better job than Wallace.

    • Agree: Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @peterike
    @Ozymandias

    Not only was the moderator ‘relatively’ fair,

    How is interrupting Trump 30 times and Biden 2 times "relatively fair"?

  179. @SF
    He could have hit a home run on immigration after Biden unequivocally advocated amnesty for all 11 million illegal aliens. Instead, he kept repeating the "what's Joe done in 47 years" mantra. I'm sure Joe did vote for the 1980's amnesty of 3 million. What did that get us?

    Replies: @AnotherDad

    He could have hit a home run on immigration after Biden unequivocally advocated amnesty for all 11 million illegal aliens. Instead, he kept repeating the “what’s Joe done in 47 years” mantra. I’m sure Joe did vote for the 1980’s amnesty of 3 million. What did that get us?

    Trump is so bad at articulating his own positions–or at least the positions he nods at–i couldn’t watch.

    But seriously? That was Trump’s response to Biden promising amnesty?

  180. @Harry Baldwin
    @Dieter Kief

    I always enjoy your comments, but as I understand you're posting from Europe and so wouldn't have a feel for the mood here. Unz.com black-pillers aside, there is plenty of enthusiasm for Trump, especially in light of the alternative. This election is what Scott Adams has dubbed "an extinction-level event" for Republicans. If we lose this one, it's all over. The Democrats will see to it that we're rendered politically irrelevant.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    Thanks Harry Baldwin – Ann Coulter did not sound optimistic, not even pleased – more like she’d be – frustrated?

    Btw . Scott Adams posted on Twitter: “Solid debate. Trump won.”

    • Replies: @Allen
    @Dieter Kief

    Coulter's take on Trump's performance seems pretty positive:

    "I'm amazed at Trump's mastery of the subjects, amazed at how ridiculously polite he was, amazed at how good he was. Biden is a slurring dementia patient."

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1319468458418053124

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dieter Kief, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Stan Adams

  181. @Buffalo Joe
    OT, but I just remembered that they are hosting the Masters Tournament at Augusta National, November 12-15. The only tournament my wife watches with me. I am wondering what homage, if any, Augusta National will pay to blm? Will we see the letters blm mowed into the rough? Players wearing George Floyd's name on their caps, or shoes? I'm guessing that since they didn't bend under the weight of a feminist protest, they will ingore the topic completely, but this will be just weeks post election.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Barnard, @Lagertha

    Augusta National is a private org. So, no. Some things are still rational.

  182. @Harry Baldwin
    @Colin Wright

    Agree. I thought Trump did great on those issues. He also brought up a lot of the Biden cash-grabbing scandals about which those getting their news from the MSM will never have heard. If they do a little research, they may realize that Biden's denials aren't very convincing.

    I'm surprised how well Biden managed to keep it together, though he does look very frail and feeble, and as if he's struggling to express himself. I was amused that he called the Proud Boys the "Poor Boys"--guess he's got Creedence Clearwater on the brain.

    Replies: @bomag

    I’m surprised how well Biden managed to keep it together, though he does look very frail and feeble, and as if he’s struggling to express himself.

    Agree. I thought that one more paragraph of speaking on each topic would have Biden grinding to a halt. I was kind of rooting for him like one roots for the special child to get out the memorized line.

    He did come alive a few times.

    But those dead eyes were not a good look.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @bomag

    Keep in mind that before the 1st debate people here were convinced that he was completely senile and would come out and drool and wet himself. He is no spring chicken but he is obviously not senile in any clinical sense. He was never that bright to begin with. I'm not sure he would have done any better 20 years ago.

    The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn't been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It's not fair, but life isn't fair.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @MBlanc46

  183. @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    Number one would have been guaranteeing freedom of association.

     

    The Founders had, shall we say, somewhat inconsistent views on that subject.


    If you're looking for like-minded people to free-associate with, try this map of the 2016 election by precinct:

    An amateur cartographer at Washington State University took on the huge task of gathering precinct voting data.


    What will the District of Columbia look like in 100 years? Here is one artist's depiction:


    https://www.washingtonian.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/FO_TIDAL-BASIN-IDEAS-LAB_Curate-Entropy_08_MLK-Jr-Memorial_Field-Operations-994x559.jpg


    They make it still look white. It may be all white in 50 years. Or half-Asian.


    This New Project Imagines What the Tidal Basin Could Look Like in 100 Years

    Gentrification is increasingly whitnening the District, or "New Columbia", if you prefer. Never mind statehood; well-off white SJW's have no business with three electors of their own. Repeal the 23rd!

    Replies: @guest

    *All* Asian, in the case of MLK’s face.

  184. @Coemgen
    @Coemgen

    Ok, after watching “the debate” it looks like we’re already into the nominal debate era. A moderator (interrogator) posing Democrat talking points as questions is not a debate. It’s propaganda.

    One thing that’s clear after the “debate” and the 60 Minutes interview is that the big lie du jour is that mask wearing will prevent viral transmission.

    Leslie Stahl knows that Trump knows that masks are nothing but a security blanket - she’s just trying to bully Trump into saying something he knows is wrong.

    Why would she do that? Is that good journalism?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest

    Coemgen wrote:

    Ok, after watching “the debate” it looks like we’re already into the nominal debate era. A moderator (interrogator) posing Democrat talking points as questions is not a debate. It’s propaganda.

    Of course, Kristen Welker was biased — but by and large she stayed quiet and let them actually debate. That’s the best you’re gonna get from the MSM.

    My wife had a business meeting and missed the live airing, so I told her the four things that stuck with me:

    1) Biden called Trump “Abe Lincoln.” It was meant to be snarky. It was just goofy.

    2) Biden claimed that Hunter’s laptop was a Russian plant. Obviously, he has not seen the news the last day or so (like the Bobulinski press conference).

    3) Biden lied about his past position on fracking, but I think it still came through that he wants to end it.

    4) In the exchange on fracking, Biden said he would force the country to go “carbon-neutral” by 2025. That is physically impossible. Later on, he said by 2035, which is what he probably really means — that would be enormously expensive, but perhaps not literally impossible.

    I think Biden lost Pennsylvania tonight on the energy issue, at least if the Trump campaign can get the ads up fast enough.

    This is the best Trump is capable of — he can never be Ronald Reagan, but this is his best debate in the last four years.

    Before tonight, I gave the edge to Biden. Now, I give the edge to Trump, though it is ceetainly not a sure thing.

    • Agree: Bernard
  185. @Coemgen
    @Coemgen

    Ok, after watching “the debate” it looks like we’re already into the nominal debate era. A moderator (interrogator) posing Democrat talking points as questions is not a debate. It’s propaganda.

    One thing that’s clear after the “debate” and the 60 Minutes interview is that the big lie du jour is that mask wearing will prevent viral transmission.

    Leslie Stahl knows that Trump knows that masks are nothing but a security blanket - she’s just trying to bully Trump into saying something he knows is wrong.

    Why would she do that? Is that good journalism?

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @guest

    I mean, “the Talk.” A presidential debate covered “the Talk.” They demanded candidates directly address…what was it? Black parents? I forget.

    Anyway, “the Talk” was a joke back in like 2012. Network news takes 8 year-old jokes seriously.

  186. I don’t think debates move people one way or the other.

    Moreover, I think most White voters prefer Biden. I said most — the professional middle and upper classes. They love BLM, love the riots, gives them a frisson of fear like a rollercoaster ride. They love love love Black people and particularly Black thugs. They hate hate hate White men, for a variety of reasons, mostly due to lack of thuggery dominance.

    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go! 3. Get rid of fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine! 4. You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster. 5. More immigration and open borders, hope you proles enjoy your new Somali neighbors while we live in security buildings you scum!

    That is the Democratic Party in a nutshell. Champagne Communists.

    The wild card is the Military. It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can. The Pentagon has to be completely paranoid that Biden or President Harris will simply surrender and blame THEM. Also AOC has let the cat out of the bag, demanding the end to the US Military to spend on … wait for it … wait for it … BLACK PEOPLE!

    So given the weakness of the Biden team, and the wokeness of Harris and her Silicon Valley team, it looks like their is a big split in the ruling oligarchy about to break out. Those Hunter Biden crack pipe pics got published for a reason, and it wasn’t Donald Trump. The rumors about Hunter screwing his 14 year old niece are also out there for a reason. It is likely dawning on the Joint Chiefs that they and their whole way of life is toast if Biden wins. Their retirement plan will go from big shot lobbyist to Wal Mart Greeter.

    Hate Whitey is all well and good when the only enemy is a bunch of Muslims in sand filled hellholes, when its a serious major industrial power with most of the World’s manufacturing capacity, that’s another thing. Tawain like Black people in America was a question that could not be kicked down the road forever. Looks like both are coming to a head: A. Will China finally invade Taiwan and kick off another Pacific War over who rules the Pacific, and B. Are Black people America’s natural ruling class and nobility with Whites peasant untouchables?

    Lets hope for War with China. We can’t afford any more general peace.

    • Replies: @PhysicistDave
    @Whiskey

    Whiskey wrote:


    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go!
     
    Uh, no. Bide may be senile, but he is not quite that senile!

    Maybe you should have actually watched the debate if you wanted to comment on it.

    Whiskey also wrote:

    It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can.
     
    No. The Chinese leadership is not senile. Right now, their economy is tightly tied in with the Western capitalist powers. They do what you suggest, and their economy tanks.

    And then their regime falls.

    Whiskey also wrote:

    Lets hope for War with China.
     
    Your post is what is technically known as "war porn."
    , @Peter D. Bredon
    @Whiskey

    "In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can."

    Like the notion of Putin "interfering" with our elections (oh please, Mr. Putin, do it!) looks like China has the right idea.

    I hate that stupid Hawaii which has no business being a "state". It might as well be on the moon for all its relevance to the Real 48. (I'm looking at you too, Alaska). All it does is supply district judges to overrule Trump (how?) and morons like that Lady Senator.

    As per usual, the Dems have the stick at the wrong end. We should REDUCE the number of states. A smaller number of larger states would make devolution more reasonable (like the way Canada's large provinces handle health care, education, etc.) Tiny states are a legacy of the limited worldview of the 18th century (Rhode Island! Delaware! Why not just have New England?) and weird states like AK and HI (along with Guam etc.) are a legacy of failed imperialism.

    Also, aircraft carriers are obsolete.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    , @James O'Meara
    @Whiskey

    "1. America was never great,"


    I don't know if you know this, and if so, for the sake of everyone else, I must point out that Gov. Cuomo did, in fact, say just that, literally as Joe would say, after which he quickly looked around for the expected applause. It worked in NY of course, and the media tried to portray him as a tribune of Truth against ignorant Trump (Trump and his voters think America was great because they never went to college and so never read Zinn's History), but it didn't pan out elsewhere.

    , @Neoconned
    @Whiskey

    Fwiw i don't think the American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan. I think we'll hiss at them but nobody is willing to spill any American blood to defend Formosa and Chiangs semi fascist legacy.

    That being said we are heading to a financial reckoning....and fast. By 2030 the SS pay ratio will be 2.1 people paying in for 1 pulling out. I make $1100 every OTHER WEEK. In the other 2 weeks from my other job i make $150 per week.

    Who are they going to tax to finance the Boomers retirement and Cadillac health care plans. I work 60 hrs a week & have NO INSURANCE. Not a catastrophic plan only....NO INSURANCE.

    With 70 million Boomers about to retire which orange are you going to look to juice?

    Me? I after bills have in a good month $1k to play with. That includes grocery expenses....

    So I'm an orange that's dry pulp and a used husk....

    Tjen there's that big fat juicy orange that is the Pentagon budget(what? 500 billion plus a year? For what? For jets and tanks that will never be used?)

    And then there are the various ABC spook agency budgets in the tens or hundreds of billions that can be juiced.....nice fat juicy plums to be juiced to pay for the gibs and the Medicare & the Social Security for all those broke or near broke Boomers....

    Our military will die not by Chinese missiles but by budget self emaciation.....if there is a coup in the coming years & a junta or "constitutional committee" ruling this "country" i wouldn't be shocked or surprised.....

    Sure the Fed can print up some of that but inflation will kick in at some point....

    The local restaurants i eat at ive noticed have had 20 to 50% price hikes JUST IN THE LAST YEAR.....inflation has already started....Pat Buchanan warned about all this years ago in his books.....nobody paid attention. Reality is a mean teacher.....

    Replies: @BB753, @Nico, @Chrisnonymous

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Whiskey


    You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster.
     
    Roach paste on soy wafers my dude, roach paste on soy wafers.

    Also, proles sleeping in tubes, mandatory prole-vax, and emotion-suppresing meds, just like THX-1138.


    Lets hope for War with China. We can’t afford any more general peace.
     
    Careful.

    Our troops are fat, Woke numales and our equipment is overpriced, overcomplicated, fragile junk.

    A real fight with Russia or China would not be pretty.

    Replies: @Neoconned

  187. @AnotherDad
    @AnotherDad

    Biden corruption scandal:

    -- Joe the scandal isn't your son's problems with drugs or child pornography. The corruption here is that you enabled your son to trade on the power and influence of United States--using your position as Vice President--to make millions of dollars ... that he could spend on drugs and porn and hookers.

    -- the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden's corruption. The media doesn't want to discuss it. Tonight's moderator doesn't want to talk about it. That's Democrats for you: They don't have a problem with Democrats' corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    -- (looking out at the camera) That's what's going on here. Joe Biden helped his son making millions of dollars for the Biden family trading on the power and influence of the United States. You are just as American as Joe Biden. America belongs to each and every one of you just as much as it does to Joe. Do your children get to make millions of dollars trading on the power of the United States? If didn't think so.

    Replies: @Jack D, @AnotherDad, @Guy De Champlagne

    — the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden’s corruption. The media doesn’t want to discuss it. Tonight’s moderator doesn’t want to talk about it. That’s Democrats for you: They don’t have a problem with Democrats’ corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    It may be over your head but most people can see how wrong it is for Trump to ask Ukraine to single out his opponent for investigation so I don’t think that the kind of hot talking point you think it is. It not only makes Trump look sleazy but also like an incompetent idiot. How hard would it have been to ask for broad anti corruption measures that guaranteed an investigation into Biden but also looked kosher and were above reproach?

    • LOL: Redman
    • Replies: @Redman
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Most people don’t see anything wrong with a president asking the leader of another country for help in an investigation. The issue at impeachment was whether there was an implied quid pro quo related to US military aid. There wasn’t.

    Maybe you forgot that part.

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne

  188. @bomag
    @Harry Baldwin


    I’m surprised how well Biden managed to keep it together, though he does look very frail and feeble, and as if he’s struggling to express himself.
     
    Agree. I thought that one more paragraph of speaking on each topic would have Biden grinding to a halt. I was kind of rooting for him like one roots for the special child to get out the memorized line.

    He did come alive a few times.

    But those dead eyes were not a good look.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Keep in mind that before the 1st debate people here were convinced that he was completely senile and would come out and drool and wet himself. He is no spring chicken but he is obviously not senile in any clinical sense. He was never that bright to begin with. I’m not sure he would have done any better 20 years ago.

    The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn’t been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It’s not fair, but life isn’t fair.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn’t been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It’s not fair, but life isn’t fair.'

    I don't think much of the disease in the first place -- but vaccine news is popping up all over.

    The media's playing it all down, but with twelve days left, it could spill out.

    ...and if there's a 'cure,' then all of a sudden Trump is on the right side of history. That's one thing Trump let Biden have. Biden got to be Mister Shutdown -- and people are really sick of this.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Wielgus

    , @MBlanc46
    @Jack D

    You’re right on Biden, JD. He’s alert enough to go toe to toe with Trump, with the usual Bidenisms.

  189. @peterike
    Ann has been a great disappointment. She's like so many of the eeyore's around here who pout like little children about Trump because he couldn't wave his hands and give them all their wishes.

    Trump actually has built almost 400 miles of wall, much of it in high-impact areas, and every inch of it built in the face of opposition from both parties, much of the judiciary and of course the media. But the eeyore's never take this into account.

    In some sense I agree. Trump ought to be like Obama -- just declare whatever unconstitutional thing he wants to do, and do it. But everyone rolled over for Obama, whereas they fight Trump tooth and nail. And despite the constant shouting by the Left that Trump is a "dictator" or whatever, he's actually the most procedure compliant President we've had in ages. Trump follows the rules, often to his own detriment.

    Anyway, if Hillary had won, how much wall would you have? Zero. If Biden wins he'll tear it down as a "gesture" and re-open all the floodgates Trump has been steadily closing (e.g. refugees at its lowest in decades ).

    Not voting for Trump in 2020 is an act of consummate stupidity.

    Replies: @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Guy De Champlagne, @James Braxton, @AndrewR

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn’t build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones. Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn’t want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.

    And what will we have with Biden: competence, stability, sensible economic and healthcare ideas, and an antimmigration movement (and white christian males more broadly) that can see clearly what losers they are. Not enough of any of those things but way more than under Trump.

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
    @Guy De Champlagne

    lol. Ok, troll.

    Looks like Media Matters has a new attack troll on its payroll!

    , @Ben tillman
    @Guy De Champlagne

    That last paragraph is a strong candidate for stupidest paragraph ever posted to this blog.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    , @AnotherDad
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn’t build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones.
     

    Tip: pronouncing that people are stupid about something which apparently you have not even given the slightest thought toward... does not bathe yourself in glory. A general rule is you should actually analyze the problem a bit before pronouncing.

    Walls, fences, border barriers have been going up all over the world because ... they work!

    Without drilling down four points:

    1) Deterrence
    The calculus of people attempting something depends quite a bit on chance of success. If a young man in southern Mexico or Central America is contemplating the trip north, the difference between a scenario where it may take five or six attempts at scaling the fence with a gang and getting past la migra--say a 95% of ultimate success--and a scenario where the wall is essentially impenetrable (baring military attack) and you need thousands of dollars for a coyote caravan out in the desert somewhere or phony papers/cover story for the border--and still may fail!--is absolutely huge.

    The wall radically changes the probability and cost of success so radically changes the numbers of attempts.

    2) System success.
    The wall, radically improves the performance of the overall system. When the border is easily penetrated, then the border patrol has its hands full just doing catch and release of thousands every day. When the wall drops the numbers, then the border patrol guys are no long chasing down thousands of illegals crashing the border, and can respond to tougher more sophisticated coyote operations.

    The wall doesn't just make the physical border wall better, it makes the whole system a lot harder.

    3) Politically "imperivious"
    Trump builds the Wall ... and the wall is still there when a Democrat takes office. Border patrol budgets, staffing, detention policies, etc. etc.--all the bureaucratic stuff ("software")--that Trump put in place, the Parasite Party President (PPP) can wave away through his appointees and policy changes. But the physical wall ("hardware") is still there. The PPP can try and take it down, but that's much, much more politically fraught. It is openly announcing an open borders, illegals welcome position--no longer boiling the frog.

    Physical infrastructure survives--and ergo continues to do its job--through political transitions.

    4) Changed politics.
    Because they do not want the problem fixed, minoritarians (leftists, big-staters) attempt to wrap illegal immigration--and a lot of other straightforward, tractable problems--in a miasma of "complexity" and "intractability". "It's complex". "Multiple causes." "Simple solutions don't work." Complete and utter nonsense. Minoritarians/leftists/Democrats simply want you to think illegal immigration is unstoppable, so you'll tolerate it continuing.

    There are complex and difficult human problems. I have no idea how to save someone's marriage, or get some drug addict to turn his life around. Nor can i "cure" poverty with a snap of my fingers. (Leftists love taking on genuinely intractable problems.) The "cure" is more intelligent and conscientious people along with a robust economy--i.e. eugenics. But most political problems actually have fairly simple solutions ... it's just that those solutions are opposed by some constituency invested in the current order or simply in not fixing the problem.

    But if you actually start fixing a problem, you change the politics around it. Build the Wall--and make e-verify mandatory, jack up workplace raids and shut down offending employers, ramp up deportations--and suddenly the politics changes. People can see that illegal immigration is not intractable, but in fact can be dramatically reduced or completely stopped, pretty easily by different policies ... then they want those different policies!

    Politics--political demands and expectations--responds dramatically to success and failure, to perceptions of possibility.

    ~~~


    Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn’t want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.
     
    Here you are more on target. Intelligent anti-immigration people want the Wall and e-verify. You need mandatory e-verify to lower the "draw" of the US, to handle the "arrived legally" problem and to force self-deportation.

    And yes, Republicans kowtow too much to business--but then fold to the Democrat/minoritarian "diversity" impositions upon business which are completely negative, a deadweight cost. And Trump is a pretty standard Republican in such kowtowing--persuadable against anything impacting "business".

    But e-verify alone is not enough. People can cheat. There is lots of under-the-table, off the books work. And criminality. And security issues. No one should be here who isn't supposed to be here.

    No, you absolutely positively need a hard, impenetrable border--control of access--then you build on top of that with a "hard" interior where it is difficult to find a job or a place to live as an illegal.

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star, @Prof. Woland, @Guy De Champlagne

  190. @dfordoom
    You have to keep in mind that the MAGA hat-wearers who turned up to Trump rallies were only a small proportion of the total number of people who voted for Trump. They were the loudest and most visible segment of his voters but you should not let that mislead you into thinking that they were anywhere near a majority.

    The fact that immigration was the big issue for the MAGA True Believers does not necessarily imply that it was the big issue for Trump's voters in general. Most of Trump's voters were just people who always vote Republican anyway. And the voters who mattered, in the swing states, were probably motivated much more highly by economic grievances than by immigration.

    The other problem is that Trump's tactic of appearing to be stridently anti-immigration may not work a second time. Voters this time would be much less inclined to believe him on this issue.

    If the only people allowed to vote were the minority of people who are intensely politically engaged (the MAGA hat wearers and the denizens of Unz Review) then putting immigration front and centre might be a great idea. But the majority who are only mildly politically engaged are more likely to vote the way the majority always votes - on bread-and-butter issues.

    Replies: @Anon, @RichardTaylor, @Ben tillman

    If voting for Trump isn’t about immigration, what is it about? All the standard GOP candidates were destroyed by Trump, specifically because of immigration.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @S. Anonyia
    @RichardTaylor

    Isolationist foreign policy, acknowledgement of the conspiracies/corruption permeating the government, job growth, and generally not hating America or its past...

    I’ll bet immigration was around the 4th or 5th priority for most Trump supporters. I probably cared more about immigration in 2016 than now. The American left has collectively lost their marbles in such a way that there are just more disturbing issues at hand.

    Also don’t underestimate the amount of supporters Trump gained back in 2016 solely by roasting the Bush family during the Republican primaries. No one has really analyzed how popular it was, but I know at least three former liberals (including my husband) who were really enthused by that. It was pretty refreshing, in all fairness.

    , @International Jew
    @RichardTaylor

    Good question. Maybe they liked that he was an outsider, or they believed he was his character from "The Apprentice".

    , @Travis
    @RichardTaylor

    Besides immigration , Trump was opposed to more wars in the middle East, which is a big reason the GOP establishment opposed him. He failed to escalate the war in Syria, but should have brought all the troops home from Syria and Afghanistan. Any other Republican would have sent more troops to the middle east.

    He has fought in the courts to build the wall, issued executive orders to contravene Obama’s second-term open-borders mandates, juggled funding from a variety of agencies, and jawboned Mexico nonstop. Trump drastically cut refugee admissions, Though this year’s cap was 18,000, the administration welcomed fewer than 11,000 refugees as of Sept. 25. Obama set the cap for 2016 at 110,000 refugees. Trump lowered it to 15,000 for 2021. He also restricted travel from African and Muslim-majority countries with his Muslim ban. Family members hoping to travel legally from Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Somalia were blocked by the president’s travel ban.

    Increased vetting have further winnowed foreign travelers. The number of visas issued to foreigners abroad looking to immigrate to the United States has declined by 25%, to 462,422 in the 2019 fiscal year from 617,752 in 2016. But the wealth test — or public charge rule — may prove the most consequential change yet. Two-thirds of the immigrants who obtained permanent legal status from 2012 to 2016 could be blocked from doing so under the new rule, which denies green cards to those who are likely to need public assistance

    The National Foundation for American Policy projects that the number of legal immigrants will decline by 49% (or 581,845) between FY 2016 and FY 2021 due to Trump administration policies. (From the FY 2016 total of 1,183,505 down to 601,660 in FY 2021.) How did the Trump administration reduce legal immigration by 49% without changing U.S. immigration law? The answer is by using executive and administrative authorities.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/07/21/trump-cuts-legal-immigrants-by-half-and-hes-not-done-yet/#131141856168

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

  191. @Whiskey
    I don't think debates move people one way or the other.

    Moreover, I think most White voters prefer Biden. I said most -- the professional middle and upper classes. They love BLM, love the riots, gives them a frisson of fear like a rollercoaster ride. They love love love Black people and particularly Black thugs. They hate hate hate White men, for a variety of reasons, mostly due to lack of thuggery dominance.

    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go! 3. Get rid of fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine! 4. You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster. 5. More immigration and open borders, hope you proles enjoy your new Somali neighbors while we live in security buildings you scum!

    That is the Democratic Party in a nutshell. Champagne Communists.

    The wild card is the Military. It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can. The Pentagon has to be completely paranoid that Biden or President Harris will simply surrender and blame THEM. Also AOC has let the cat out of the bag, demanding the end to the US Military to spend on ... wait for it ... wait for it ... BLACK PEOPLE!

    So given the weakness of the Biden team, and the wokeness of Harris and her Silicon Valley team, it looks like their is a big split in the ruling oligarchy about to break out. Those Hunter Biden crack pipe pics got published for a reason, and it wasn't Donald Trump. The rumors about Hunter screwing his 14 year old niece are also out there for a reason. It is likely dawning on the Joint Chiefs that they and their whole way of life is toast if Biden wins. Their retirement plan will go from big shot lobbyist to Wal Mart Greeter.

    Hate Whitey is all well and good when the only enemy is a bunch of Muslims in sand filled hellholes, when its a serious major industrial power with most of the World's manufacturing capacity, that's another thing. Tawain like Black people in America was a question that could not be kicked down the road forever. Looks like both are coming to a head: A. Will China finally invade Taiwan and kick off another Pacific War over who rules the Pacific, and B. Are Black people America's natural ruling class and nobility with Whites peasant untouchables?

    Lets hope for War with China. We can't afford any more general peace.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @Neoconned, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Whiskey wrote:

    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go!

    Uh, no. Bide may be senile, but he is not quite that senile!

    Maybe you should have actually watched the debate if you wanted to comment on it.

    Whiskey also wrote:

    It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can.

    No. The Chinese leadership is not senile. Right now, their economy is tightly tied in with the Western capitalist powers. They do what you suggest, and their economy tanks.

    And then their regime falls.

    Whiskey also wrote:

    Lets hope for War with China.

    Your post is what is technically known as “war porn.”

  192. @Jack D
    @bomag

    Keep in mind that before the 1st debate people here were convinced that he was completely senile and would come out and drool and wet himself. He is no spring chicken but he is obviously not senile in any clinical sense. He was never that bright to begin with. I'm not sure he would have done any better 20 years ago.

    The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn't been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It's not fair, but life isn't fair.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @MBlanc46

    ‘…The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn’t been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It’s not fair, but life isn’t fair.’

    I don’t think much of the disease in the first place — but vaccine news is popping up all over.

    The media’s playing it all down, but with twelve days left, it could spill out.

    …and if there’s a ‘cure,’ then all of a sudden Trump is on the right side of history. That’s one thing Trump let Biden have. Biden got to be Mister Shutdown — and people are really sick of this.

    • Replies: @Jack D
    @Colin Wright

    Objectively, there's nothing particularly wrong with the way Trump handled Covid (not that it was entirely within his control). Everyone was groping around in the dark and no one really knew what to do, and even if they did, just because the POTUS says something doesn't mean that it will actually happen. The biggest charge against the President appears to be that he told people not to wear masks but that part isn't true. At the beginning, Leftists like Fauci and the Surgeon General were the ones telling us not to wear masks - they were against masks before they were for them. There's no rule that the POTUS has to follow every twist and turn of the Party Line or else he's a bad man. The "Scientists" aren't gods.

    If Trump is no more "responsible" for the supposed 200,000+ Covid deaths in America than he is responsible for the Covid deaths in the UK or Belgium or India, etc. - this is a worldwide pandemic and only a few island nations and totalitarian countries have been able to control it within their countries. Nor is it clear which policies work and which ones don't work or whether the infection rate really has much to do with government policy at all but instead varies based mainly on climate, living patterns, etc. Pretty much everywhere and no matter what you do, there is an initial spike and then the infection rate crashes back down, just like all epidemics. And government in the US is highly decentralized - the local governors and mayors are more in charge of Covid response than the POTUS is. The US is #8 in per capita Covid deaths - it's no worse than a lot of places.

    However, voting does not obey logic. On a feelz basis, this happened on Trump's watch so he takes the blame just like Herbert Hoover was assigned the blame for the worldwide Depression. It sucks for him, but it is what it is.

    , @Wielgus
    @Colin Wright

    I thought Trump saddling Biden as Mr Shutdown was/is one of his smarter moves. My (European) perspective on this thing is that people are getting sick of it.

  193. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous


    OT Pope Francis – in his infallible wisdom – has just come out(!) in favor so called ‘homosexual marriage’, thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.
     
    No. Partnership, not marriage.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @HA

    The Catholic Church under Pope Frankie is asymptototing towards the Episcopal Church; the EC is asymptoting towards the Unitarian Church; while the UC is asymptoting towards absolute and complete nothingness!

    • Agree: Abe, BB753
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dan Hayes

    Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians,... have nothing about gay stuff, either pro or con. They don't care.
    Only Islam is against- and it is growing. But, its growth is cancerous.

    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.

    No way.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Cido, @James O'Meara, @The Wild Geese Howard

  194. Anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist
    Since when were Republicans were for walls?

    https://youtu.be/WX00QkvK-mQ

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @RichardTaylor, @Anon

    1) The wall is equivalent to a defense expenditure. If we actually built the whole 2,000 miles it would probably cost the equivalent of two fully armed aircraft carriers, tops. The United States Navy has 13 carriers.

    2) The actual name of the Berlin Wall was the Antifascist Protection Rampart. Antifascist…get it? Once upon a time if you searched Wikipedia for the Berlin Wall, in fact, it would redirect you to an article with the official name. But now, after the rise of Antifa, Wikipedia calls it the Berlin Wall and it is locked for editing.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Anon

    I wonder how many miles of wall the steel in two carriers would get you in various configurations.

    Yes, the official name was not lost on my, but the Neo-Commies own the media and will memory-hole anything they please now.

  195. @Dieter Kief
    @Harry Baldwin

    Thanks Harry Baldwin - Ann Coulter did not sound optimistic, not even pleased - more like she'd be - frustrated?

    Btw . Scott Adams posted on Twitter: "Solid debate. Trump won."

    Replies: @Allen

    Coulter’s take on Trump’s performance seems pretty positive:

    “I’m amazed at Trump’s mastery of the subjects, amazed at how ridiculously polite he was, amazed at how good he was. Biden is a slurring dementia patient.”

    • Replies: @hhsiii
    @Allen

    Yeah, my dyed in the wool Dem friends were texting last night and were worried that Trump sounded cogent.

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Allen

    Thanks for posting this. I pay no attention to Twitter, Facebook, et al., so otherwise I'd not have seen Coulter's take. The woman has an excellent grasp of reality. That she feels this way is comforting if not totally reassuring. The outcome of this Presidential election is up for grabs. I try not to think about it precisely because it is both so consequential and so uncertain.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    , @Dieter Kief
    @Allen

    So - was it her wake-up call that helped him to - focus?

    She was - rude I'd say. Or: Quite frank in putting him down at times (I've mentioned the sofa-slur already above, so...).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Allen

    Trump is perfectly capable of moderating his personality, tenor, tone, and body language as needed.

    I think he did well to tone it down last night.

    The Left expected the muting and laptop blackout would reveal a red-faced, foaming at the mouth bully they could spend the weekend painting as a dangerous lunatic unfit to hold the launch codes.

    Trump completely denied them that opportunity.

    , @Stan Adams
    @Allen

    He looked - dare I say it? - presidential.

    In both debates, Biden started out fairly strong but got shakier as time went along. The pep pills wear off after an hour or so.

  196. Hunter Biden bedding down both his sister-in-law and her child. This is the Scranton version of the transmorgified Borgias!

    • Agree: JimDandy
    • Replies: @Escher
    @Dan Hayes

    Is this true?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dan Hayes

  197. @Anonymous
    OT Pope Francis - in his infallible wisdom - has just come out(!) in favor so called 'homosexual marriage', thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.

    That familiar saw 'is the Pope catholic?' is no longer a rhetorical statement of the stark staring obvious.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @El Dato, @Allen

    Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage. Although Francis has once again sown confusion by his irresponsible statements, these statements do not change the official church doctrine.

    According to Catholic Answers: “A pope’s private theological opinions are not infallible; only what he solemnly defines is considered to be infallible teaching.” https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility

    Thus statements by Pope Francis are not binding on the Catholic church as a whole because it is only his private opinion and not an official pronouncement based on his office.

    A Pope’s statements are only binding on the church when:

    (1) they pertain to faith and morals, (2) are made in his official capacity as Pope, (3) are intended as definitive teaching (not opinion), (4) are designated as something all the church must assent to.

    It is important note that there have been Popes in the past who held outright heretical opinions, such as Pope Honorius in the seventh century. Indeed, Honorius was formally condemned about fifty years after his death at the sixth ecumenical council in 680.

    The church has survived heretical popes and it will survive Pope Francis.

    • Thanks: Ron Mexico
    • Replies: @Hibernian
    @Allen


    The church has survived heretical popes and it will survive Pope Francis.
     
    My belief that the gates of Hell will not prevail has been continually been put to the test under Francis' Papacy.
    , @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills
    @Allen

    “ Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage.”

    The horror! I hope your hands don’t have scars from clutching those pearls so tightly. God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @HA

  198. @AnotherDad
    We've been here before--for four years in fact:

    In Trump vs. the establishment Trump is right about pretty much everything. (Trump could have put this election away years ago--even with the Xi virus.)

    But Trump just isn't great at either sticking to what is important nor being clear and coherent in arguing for it.

    The moderator--a black girl!--or whomever have come up with the topics and of course the want to piss on Trump on Covid and of course race, race, race and, oh, "climate change". I.e. Democratic party talking points. (How bad is Trump's team that they let the debate be structured like this with this moderator?)

    -Trump must be able to address Covid clearly and coherently, including denouncing the Democrats lockdown insanity and war on small business.
    -Trump must be able to explode the Democrat's latest lie that the police are "structurally racisting" oppressing/killing blacks.
    -Trump must call out the Democrats destruction of the rule-of-law in cities this summer.
    - Trump must call out Biden's blatant corruption--trading on the power and influence of the United States so his son can pile up millions.


    But Trump must not allow himself to be driven by the moderator or Biden.

    Trump must talk about--not what he wants to talk about in the moment, but about--his issue, the critical issue for his voters, that will make their lives better or worse--immigration.

    Specifically Trump absolutely must tie immigration to jobs, wages, housing, schools and broadly "affordable family formation"--American kids coming out of HS or college being able to get good jobs, find affordable housing with good schools and build their families and have their American Dream.

    And contrast this with the Democrats illegal immigration--for cheap labor and to have an amnesty to harvest votes--votes that Americans pay for with their taxes. Loving massive immigration again for cheap labor and more voters.

    Trump must make it clear he wants to protect the American Dream for American kids. The Demo-rats want to sell out your American Dream, your children's American Dream to give it to foreigners who'll vote for them.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @PhysicistDave

    AnotherDad wrote:

    The moderator–a black girl!–

    She’s actually half black (the “one-drop rule” is stupid).

    And she was not nearly as hostile to Trump, or as just plain stupid, as Chris Wallace.

    Yeah, she is biased towards the Dems. But by and large she actually let Trump speak.

    And she actually asked one question — about the nation-wide $15/hr. minimum wage — that put Biden is a bad light. And she did raise the Hunter laptop corruption issue, even if she devoted less attention to it than we might have liked (her colleagues are not going to be happy that she mentioned it at all).

    If most of the MSM were only as biased as Kristen Welker, we might actually have a free press.

    Besides, I could tolerate Welker as a next-door neighbor. If Chris Wallace or Jeff Toobin or Anderson Cooper or Don Lemon were my next-door neighbor, I’d be looking for a new neighborhood.

    • Agree: ic1000, Harry Baldwin
    • Replies: @Known Fact
    @PhysicistDave

    I was pleasantly surprised with Welker, at least she didn't flat-out start arguing with Trump. First host in a while to help her career, not hurt it.

    But the questions once again were mostly vapid lib talking points. If there was ever an Exhibit A for the feminization of the media, it was the sobbing and wailing over 500 unclaimed kids instead of a serious look at what illegal (and legal) immigration means to the American worker and American family.

    , @ic1000
    @PhysicistDave

    Mrs. ic1000 had the debate on in the next room, and I gave the ninety minutes a half-attentive listen while working at the computer. My impressions on the audio:

    Trump came across as a politician of some stature. He could usually complete the thoughts he started with. The (enforced) lack of interruptions made him seem less petulant.

    Much the same with Biden. He didn't seem agile or particularly bright, but he didn't project senility.

    On content, Trump had a few killer points he could make (e.g. see AnotherDad's comment, supra), and a slew of minor or inside-baseball things to say. He went for quantity over quality. Trump seems uncoachable, nobody's gonna tell me what to say.

    Biden had a weak hand but played it well, he remembered the snappy comebacks he had been prepped with.

    Trump surprised me with the way he handled Race and LAw & Order. He went full anti-iSteve, claiming with pride that he's the one who panders most to black concerns, and is beloved by them as a result. More black convicts released than under any other administration, and so on. Nationwide, how many voters were moved to switch their vote to Trump because he's the Real Democrat. Two?

    At this point, most 'Undecideds' are low-information voters, unlikely to have given much thought to issues. For that cohort, I think this was a big Biden win. He kept his act together, his only unforced error was denouncing the oil industry. With media help, he should be able to overcome that.

  199. @Harry Baldwin
    @L. Guapo

    I thought it was funny that Biden looked at his watch. You hear people say that when George W.W. Bush looked at his watch, it cost him the debate, like there was somewhere else he'd rather be. The camera cut away just as Biden was doing it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    I thought it was funny that Biden looked at his watch. You hear people say that when George W.W. Bush looked at his watch, it cost him the debate, like there was somewhere else he’d rather be. The camera cut away just as Biden was doing it.

    I noticed that. Oops – he’s looking at his watch! Switch cameras! Switch cameras!

  200. @Reg Cæsar
    @Thomas


    I’m a bit f***ed-up at this point but I think Trump won this one.

     

    What was your cue word?




    https://www.debatedrinking.com/

    https://ourcommunitynow.com/food-and-drink/the-ultimate-2020-presidential-debate-drinking-game



    For those on the wagon:


    https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/10/21/washingtonian-2020-presidential-debate-self-care-not-drinking-game/

    Replies: @Thomas

    I don’t have a “cue word.” I got shitfaced before election night on 2016, on schedule, because I figured “whatever happens, happens.” I’d already bought an AR-15, put enough liquid funds into crypto, and figured I’d die in the Cascades if I had to, but not alone.

    Tonight, I got shitfaced again, because I figured, again, “whatever happens, happens,” as my previous comment on this blog today memorializes.

    And tonight, after, I feel, maybe just a little bit again, the way I did that night in 2016, when anything can happen. But whatever does happen, I won’t be alone.

  201. I thought Trump did well and overall took the debate. He did a good job of pointing out that Biden is a career politician and has done little to solve the problems he claims to care about.

    Trump didn’t need to beat Biden, he just needed to stay composed and undermine Biden on credibility. In that regard he did well.

    Hunter’s laptop continues to look worse but I’m not sure how much it matters at this point. Giuliani should have released it earlier.

    I’m also not liking the numbers on suburban White women and retired Whites.

    I think the question is how much of the silent majority will vote in this one. Or silent plurality I suppose.

    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @John Johnson


    I’m also not liking the numbers on suburban White women

     

    If Trump loses, the blame should be laid directly at the feet of this demo.

    Here's the thing about vast swaths of middle to upper-middle class suburban white women with some college/college degree:

    They graduated from middle school, but never really left it.

    Trump embodies everything they THINK they should HATE about men: philanderer, braggart, always with the prettiest girl, never with them, or pumping and dumping them. If someone like him had seriously strolled into their lives, with the plane, the fabulous houses and the gold faucets, they would have opened their legs wider than the Grand Canyon.

    Deep down in the hind brain they know it, and the contradictions are simply too much to bear. So they'll mail in their ballot for the unaccomplished mediocre grifting senile hair sniffer because all the girls know the other guy is a pig.

    Policies, economics, accomplishments -- those pale in comparison to the inner rage they feel.

    They are leading with their ovaries, and it may portend catastrophe.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Anonymous, @Neoconned

  202. @Allen
    @Dieter Kief

    Coulter's take on Trump's performance seems pretty positive:

    "I'm amazed at Trump's mastery of the subjects, amazed at how ridiculously polite he was, amazed at how good he was. Biden is a slurring dementia patient."

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1319468458418053124

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dieter Kief, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Stan Adams

    Yeah, my dyed in the wool Dem friends were texting last night and were worried that Trump sounded cogent.

  203. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harry Baldwin
    @L. Guapo

    I thought it was funny that Biden looked at his watch. You hear people say that when George W.W. Bush looked at his watch, it cost him the debate, like there was somewhere else he'd rather be. The camera cut away just as Biden was doing it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    I noticed that long watch look too. And remembered how that (but much shorter) was played up by the press as indicative of Bush I being aloof and disengaged when he did it.

    For some reason, I’m doubting the press is going to be hyping it to the hilt here.

    • Replies: @sayless
    @anon

    James Woods pointed out that Biden's watch is the kind that can receive text messages.

  204. @Dan Hayes
    Hunter Biden bedding down both his sister-in-law and her child. This is the Scranton version of the transmorgified Borgias!

    Replies: @Escher

    Is this true?

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Escher


    Hunter Biden bedding down both his sister-in-law and her child. This is the Scranton version of the transmorgified Borgias!
     

    Is this true?
     
    That NBC has utilized its paramount doxer, Brandy Zadrozny to suggest it is not and link it to both Pizzagate and QAnon, without actually being able to prove it false or impugn the sources suggests it reflects some dark truth. ( https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/inside-campaign-pizzagate-hunter-biden-n1244331)

    Evidence that it is likely true are among the Hunter emails which Giuliani has released to the public. (https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/10/20/heres-a-sampling-of-the-hunter-biden-texts-giuliani-turned-over-to-the-fbi-n1073456) In the NBC hit piece these are never addressed, which suggests to me that they are iunimpeachable.

    A relevant email extract from PJMedia follows:


    Hunter Biden allegedly sent the text messages to his father. In the messages, he allegedly accused his sister-in-law and former lover, Hallie Biden, of telling Hunter’s therapist that he was sleeping with a 14-year-old girl.

    The text messages Giuliani revealed to Newsmax read as follows:

    Joe Biden: This is [name of 14-year-old girl redacted] right

    Hunter Biden: She told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate with [name of 14-year-old girl redacted] when she says that I facetime naked with her and the reason I can’t have her out to see me is because I’ll walk around naked smoking crack talking [redacted] girls on face time. When she was pressed she said that [the unnamed 14-year-old girl] never said anything like that but the bottom line is that I created and caused

    Hunter Biden: A very unsafe environment for the kids.

    Hunter Biden: If it stopped there I would let it go

    Hunter Biden: But then [redacted] friend [redacted] sober coach.

    “This is supported by numerous pictures of underage girls,” Giuliani added. He said he turned the text messages over to the Delaware State Police because he was “very uncomfortable with the fact that these underage girls were not protected.”
     
    , @Dan Hayes
    @Escher

    Remains to be seen if this story (Hunter perversion) has any legs on it!

  205. @Guy De Champlagne
    @peterike

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn't build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones. Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn't want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.

    And what will we have with Biden: competence, stability, sensible economic and healthcare ideas, and an antimmigration movement (and white christian males more broadly) that can see clearly what losers they are. Not enough of any of those things but way more than under Trump.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad

    lol. Ok, troll.

    Looks like Media Matters has a new attack troll on its payroll!

  206. @RichardTaylor
    @dfordoom

    If voting for Trump isn't about immigration, what is it about? All the standard GOP candidates were destroyed by Trump, specifically because of immigration.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @International Jew, @Travis

    Isolationist foreign policy, acknowledgement of the conspiracies/corruption permeating the government, job growth, and generally not hating America or its past…

    I’ll bet immigration was around the 4th or 5th priority for most Trump supporters. I probably cared more about immigration in 2016 than now. The American left has collectively lost their marbles in such a way that there are just more disturbing issues at hand.

    Also don’t underestimate the amount of supporters Trump gained back in 2016 solely by roasting the Bush family during the Republican primaries. No one has really analyzed how popular it was, but I know at least three former liberals (including my husband) who were really enthused by that. It was pretty refreshing, in all fairness.

    • Agree: Abe
  207. @Harry Baldwin
    @L. Guapo

    I thought it was funny that Biden looked at his watch. You hear people say that when George W.W. Bush looked at his watch, it cost him the debate, like there was somewhere else he'd rather be. The camera cut away just as Biden was doing it.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @anon, @JohnnyWalker123

    Convenient timing.

  208. Trump

    Demeanor: Started well. Compared with first debate, he was composed, less of the pit bull. I hoped he’d carry on that way, reminding viewers of the gravitas we used to expect from presidents and aspirants to the office. But after a while Trump settled into his slash-and-thrust mode that can be hard to watch for extended periods. During his enforced silences while Biden spoke, Trump’s tense body language and reptilian glare were unattractive.

    Content: Was at his best making the case for some sanity in the measures against Covid. And when Biden laid out his fantasy plans for ending carbon-based energy, Trump seized the opportunity and ran with it. A palpable hit that should play well in key states like PA and TX. I thought he also scored in highlighting Biden’s inconsistency about fracking.

    He tried, less successfully, to bring up the world’s most famous laptop. But the moderator didn’t allow him much of an opening, and I’m not sure that audience members who weren’t already familiar with the facts got much of an impression of what the reference was about.

    Trump was at his worst when the topic turned to social issues. He was pretty “wet” on immigration, limiting himself to being against murderers and rapists among the migrants. The man just can’t seem to shake off the delusion that a huge majority of Americans want lots of immigration as long as it’s legal. And on race, he and Biden engaged in a contest to see who could fawn the most over negroes.

    Biden

    On the surface he seemed confident, but not spontaneous; when he talked it was like watching a performance. Of course both men had rehearsed till they probably could have recited each point in their sleep, but Trump was better at delivery.

    In the second half, Joe started to come loose a little. There was no melodramatic breakdown, but now and then he lost the thread, had to go back and correct himself. Whatever stimulant he had made friends with seemed to have begun to wear off.

    While Trump was speaking and Biden perforce stayed silent, the latter overdid two studied expressions: the big grin as though he could barely restrain himself from laughing; and the I-can’t-believe-you-said-that mask of amazement. Either would have worked occasionally, but were irritating in repetition.

    As for content, what is there to say? Joe offers the hard-left totalitarian, anti-white agenda in full strength. Antifa in an expensive suit.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Thanks: utu
  209. @Thomas
    @AnotherDad

    I very much doubt Trump is capable of being prepped or helped at this point. He's never been coachable, at best. And, contrary opinions or evidence notwithstanding, I'm certain that he believes he's in his element right now like never before. Less than two weeks to an election he's rallying everywhere and going to a debate where he probably thinks he'll rock (again, in his view).

    Either he's right or he's wrong. Hopefully we'll know in 12 days. If he's right, we'll all have to accept that he's a political savant who knows this game better than anyone. If he's wrong... the price of him not being willing to listen to anyone might be spending much of the rest of his life having to listen to correctional authorities somewhere, perhaps. I don't think the system is just going to let him go back to shilling MAGA or making plans for 2024.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Flying Dutchman

    “Hopefully we’ll know in 12 days.”

    I think there’s zero chance of that. Or to be more precise, there’s close to a 100% chance that in 12 days there will be two militant factions each claiming to know equal and opposite things.

    The real question is what follows from that.

  210. Immigration would likely be front and center if coronavirus didn’t hit and decimate the economy and derail everyone’s lives. It also had the side effect of shining the spotlight onto China and how deep they have their tentacles into all layers of the US. Most kids around the country aren’t fully back in school and colleges remain virtual with a prison-like life for kids living on campus, so people don’t care about immigration while life is not back to normal. As for illegals pouring over the border, hasn’t coronavirus taken care of that? There aren’t jobs for them – restaurants are limping along, tourism and entertainment are decimated, companies are just starting massive layoffs. Traffic in Southern California is still not back to pre-March levels. I don’t view immigration as a big issue anymore and it was my number one reason to vote for Trump in 2016. Trump is finally getting to the root cause of our decline – corrupt politicians corrupted by Chinese money and creeping communism. I like that Trump is going after China, that rocks are being turned over and evil politicians are getting the spotlight turned on them. Americans knew for a long time we were being sold out to China – it’s another fundamental reason Trump was elected – and now we finally have some concrete proof. Immigration was important but it’s been superseded by more critical issues. California is still largely locked down and until we wrest some power away from governors and public health officials around the country, immigration will go on the back burner. Among other things, Trump needs to work to fully open the US in his second term and put coronavirus in the rear view mirror.

  211. @Moses
    @Jack D

    Jewish schools are segregated. They lack diversity and inclusion.

    We will force them by law to take more schwartzes.

    Replies: @TelfoedJohn

    Joe Biden: “Did you ever think you’d turn on the TV and roughly 2 out of 3 ads would be biracial couples selling a product? That never would’ve happened in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. This generation is a different generation. They’re the least prejudiced, the most optimistic.”

    Has anyone ever seen an ad where one half of a biracial couple was an Orthodox Jew?

    • Replies: @Bubba
    @TelfoedJohn

    The "Cleopatra Schwartz" segment in Kentucky Fried Movie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCTnmc-3P9Q

  212. @RichardTaylor
    @The Alarmist

    Walls to keep people imprisoned(like the old USSR) are fundamentally different than walls to protect from invaders. Communists built walls to force people to stay. We must build them to keep from being swamped by a billion who want to move here.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @The Alarmist

    The Commies always told us their walls and severely fortified borders were to keep us out. That Wall on America’s border might start out as a defensive measure, but as America becomes the most indebted nation in all of history, it will ultimately serve to keep you on the plantation.

  213. @Anon
    @The Alarmist

    1) The wall is equivalent to a defense expenditure. If we actually built the whole 2,000 miles it would probably cost the equivalent of two fully armed aircraft carriers, tops. The United States Navy has 13 carriers.

    2) The actual name of the Berlin Wall was the Antifascist Protection Rampart. Antifascist...get it? Once upon a time if you searched Wikipedia for the Berlin Wall, in fact, it would redirect you to an article with the official name. But now, after the rise of Antifa, Wikipedia calls it the Berlin Wall and it is locked for editing.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    I wonder how many miles of wall the steel in two carriers would get you in various configurations.

    Yes, the official name was not lost on my, but the Neo-Commies own the media and will memory-hole anything they please now.

  214. America’s Future, Here Today

    Georgia State Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick

    Did @realDonaldTrump just say 545 kids they can’t find their parents for came over through “cartels and coyotes”?! How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?! Lord—–stop talking. #FinalDebate
    — Dar’shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020

    I don’t have time for Netflix. Out here trying to stop @realDonaldTrump from continuing to kill Americans
    — Dar’shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020


    Previously on the Dar’shun Kendrick Show:
    https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=85576

    • LOL: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Mr McKenna


    How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?
     
    That's Dar'shun channeling Linda Radner (Emily Litella). Wait for the "Oh! Never mind." in a day or two.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZLeaSWY37I

    Replies: @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

    , @Clyde
    @Mr McKenna

    Looking at that photo of Georgia Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick, I thought that I had just landed in Hell. Hell the way Sam Kinison would scream this word.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

  215. America’s Future, Here Today

    Georgia State Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick

    Did @realDonaldTrump just say 545 kids they can’t find their parents for came over through “cartels and coyotes”?! How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?! Lord—–stop talking. #FinalDebate
    — Dar’shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DarshunKendrick/status/1319459569073008641

    I don’t have time for Netflix. Out here trying to stop @realDonaldTrump from continuing to kill Americans
    — Dar’shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020


    Previously on the Dar’shun Kendrick Show:
    https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=85576

    • LOL: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @Mr McKenna

    Dar’shun Kendrick = Hi, Red! (Drunk scank!)

    , @Jack D
    @Mr McKenna

    It's OK - Trump thought that Biden was calling him Abe Lincoln. He was, but sarcastically and the sarcasm went right over Trump's head.

    I think Biden should have called him "Honest Abe" - that would have stung more by contrast. He also missed a chance to reprise Lloyd Bentsen's line and make fun of the age issue (as Reagan did in his debate by saying that he wouldn't hold his opponents youth against him) by saying "I knew Abe Lincoln. Abe Lincoln was a friend of mine. And you're no Abe Lincoln."

    But that he didn't think of any of these shows how weak he really is. There's a belief that even Bentsen's line had been prepared in advance because they knew that Quayle had been comparing himself to JFK.

  216. Thinking I should rejoin Twitter. Hate missing out on this.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
    @Mr McKenna

    I'll bet she thinks she's the best corporate attorney in history, too. She's even got her own law firm, so she can be her own boss.

    Though, looking at the firm's non-existent web presence, it's probably a good thing she has her legislative salary to fall back on.

    Can anyone else get http://kendricklaw.net/ to return any results?

  217. @Dan Hayes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The Catholic Church under Pope Frankie is asymptototing towards the Episcopal Church; the EC is asymptoting towards the Unitarian Church; while the UC is asymptoting towards absolute and complete nothingness!

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians,… have nothing about gay stuff, either pro or con. They don’t care.
    Only Islam is against- and it is growing. But, its growth is cancerous.

    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.

    No way.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    What has that got to do with the price of meat in China?

    Replies: @BB753

    , @Cido
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.
     
    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better, if we are motivated to know the truth objectively.
    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal. But science doesn't say that.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams, @HA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    , @James O'Meara
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Good to remind people that their "Christian morality" is Abrahamic, not universal. It's like their trick of convincing the goyim (Cyrus) that YHVH was the goyim's universal, one God, rather than their tribal fetish (see L. Guyot's articles here).

    Conversely, Hebrew homo-hate is just another manifestation of their desire to isolate themselves from the rest of the world -- for which the Romans coined the term "misanthropy". The OT stuff (Leviticus) is aimed at Canaanite temple prostitution, the NT stuff (Romans) is aimed at assimilation with the Hellenistic world. (Paul dropped the circumcision requirement to make the rest palatable in his mission to the goyim).

    Bannon and others on the Right talking about "Traditionalism" or the Middle Ages (E M Jones) are useful idiots for Islam. Funny how the great figures of Traditionalism (Guenon, Schuon, Burkhardt, Lings, etc.) all became Moslems. (Evola limited himself to denouncing Christianity for not being as "masculine" as Islam; the spiritual progenitor of the women holding "Welcome Immigrants" signs). Nothing to see here.

    "Hook, Line, & Sinker: Steve Bannon & the Usual Suspects"
    https://counter-currents.com/2020/10/hook-line-and-sinker/

    Replies: @BB753

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Eh, Wokeism has only been able to thrive for a few decades in post-industrial, post-Christian societies rife with material and temporal excess.

    Islam has thriving in some of the most grinding, penurious conditions for centuries.

    Long-term, I know who my money's on.

  218. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Well there's no use crying
    Over every mistake.
    You just keep on trying
    Til you run out of cake.

    So the science gets done
    And you make a neat gun
    For the people who are
    Still alive.

    Now these points of data
    Make a beautiful line.
    And we're out of beta,
    We're releasing on time.

    So I'm G.L.A.D. that I got burned,
    Think of all the things we learned,
    For the people who are
    Still alive.

    And believe me, I am
    Still alive.
    I'm doing science and I'm
    Still alive.
    Still alive.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    Not sure how it relates, but let’s play it again.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Anonymous

    Isn't it great? It's one of the most perfectly realized things in the past twenty years.

    In this vast charred and destroyed cultural wasteland, there are still a few bright spots: Portal, Adventure Time, Disney's Frozen, Gravity, Arrival, the Aikido episode (Lenny James vs. the sublime John Carroll Lynch) of The Walking Dead.

    Reasons to be cheerful.

    Replies: @BB753

  219. @Mr McKenna
    America's Future, Here Today


    Georgia State Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick

    Did @realDonaldTrump just say 545 kids they can't find their parents for came over through "cartels and coyotes"?! How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?! Lord-----stop talking. #FinalDebate
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DarshunKendrick/status/1319459569073008641
     


    I don't have time for Netflix. Out here trying to stop @realDonaldTrump from continuing to kill Americans
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
     
    https://conservativefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Untitled-8-1000x600.jpg

    Previously on the Dar’shun Kendrick Show:
    https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=85576

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Jack D

    Dar’shun Kendrick = Hi, Red! (Drunk scank!)

  220. @RichardTaylor
    @dfordoom

    If voting for Trump isn't about immigration, what is it about? All the standard GOP candidates were destroyed by Trump, specifically because of immigration.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @International Jew, @Travis

    Good question. Maybe they liked that he was an outsider, or they believed he was his character from “The Apprentice”.

  221. @Anon
    @dfordoom

    This is the truth, and it applies even to most of the MAGA hat crowd. Jared Taylor did some kind of essay or podcast in 2016 talking about interviews he did with with attendees at a Trump rally. He had expected to find fire-breathing immigration hawks, but was taken aback to find that most of them had no problem with legal immigration. Like it or not, Trump's line that "we want them to come lee-gally" actually represents Average Joe Republican's view.

    It is depressing how little Dissident Right talking points have penetrated the typical right winger's mind even now. Twice recently I've talked with groups of people, all Republicans, about immigration. These are reasonably intelligent people who follow politics, and are deeply concerned about the leftward drift of the country. They all had vaguely positive views about immigration that didn't go much beyond Emma Lazarus quotes. When I pointed out that immigration is flipping swing states blue, their response was deer-in-headlights. They had literally never heard the argument before, and had no response to it.

    Replies: @International Jew

    Yep. They’re not interested in immigration. Unfortunately, immigration is interested in them.

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
    • Thanks: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
    @International Jew

    Much of the insouciance about immigration is competency-signaling. "You just got to know how to talk to these people, like I do!".

    Replies: @International Jew

  222. @peterike
    Ann has been a great disappointment. She's like so many of the eeyore's around here who pout like little children about Trump because he couldn't wave his hands and give them all their wishes.

    Trump actually has built almost 400 miles of wall, much of it in high-impact areas, and every inch of it built in the face of opposition from both parties, much of the judiciary and of course the media. But the eeyore's never take this into account.

    In some sense I agree. Trump ought to be like Obama -- just declare whatever unconstitutional thing he wants to do, and do it. But everyone rolled over for Obama, whereas they fight Trump tooth and nail. And despite the constant shouting by the Left that Trump is a "dictator" or whatever, he's actually the most procedure compliant President we've had in ages. Trump follows the rules, often to his own detriment.

    Anyway, if Hillary had won, how much wall would you have? Zero. If Biden wins he'll tear it down as a "gesture" and re-open all the floodgates Trump has been steadily closing (e.g. refugees at its lowest in decades ).

    Not voting for Trump in 2020 is an act of consummate stupidity.

    Replies: @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Guy De Champlagne, @James Braxton, @AndrewR

    Writing a column is easy.

    Running a government in the face of enourmous institutional opposition from all sides is difficult.

    I think Trump did everything he could to simply hold on for four years and score victories where he could find them. On immigration this often took creativity. He ended the caravans by doing deals with the Central American nations. He effectively ended asylum with the remain in Mexico policy. He built the wall with reprogrammed military funds. He capitalized on the pandemic with a temporary immigration moratorium.

    As for bolder things like ending birthright citizenship, I think Trump knows he was on the wrong side of a 5-4 supreme court.

    What he needs to enact the full agends is a second term with something that looks like a mandate from the voters. Ann Coulter, the shrewish old maid, is not helping to make that happen.

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
    • Disagree: Guy De Champlagne
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @James Braxton

    "As for bolder things like ending birthright citizenship, I think Trump knows he was on the wrong side of a 5-4 supreme court."

    Trump inherited two strong conservative justices with Alito and Thomas and now he has had the opportunity to hand-pick three more justices. I'm cautiously skeptical (I hope I'm wrong) about Coney Barrett's conservative bona fides with her adopted Haitian kids and her crying over G Floyd, but Trump should (in light of what I've just said) now enjoy a "constitutionalist" majority on the Supreme Court.
    Therefore if Coney Barrett is successfully elevated to the Court, he will have NO excuse in my book for not issuing his long-rumored but never delivered Executive Order on anchor babies.

  223. @RichardTaylor
    Building a wall would be great. But as a practical matter, there are already enough non-Whites in America that if forced integration continues, the White population will be swamped. Less than 50% of children born in this country are White.

    So, there must be some form of voluntary segregation for those who want it. Otherwise, all the border security is for nothing.

    The rich have segregation on the down low through gated communities. It's the vast majority of Whites who are denied this basic right. If you don't have the right to discriminate, in what sense are you free?

    Replies: @IHTG, @Guy De Champlagne, @Jack D, @Anonymous, @AnotherDad, @Neoconned

    Some black identarian types want an African-American independent state in the Deep South where 90%+ would be forced by law to live. I don’t advocate such a policy but i do find it interesting….

  224. Werent these the same six subjects from the last debate? And many of the same questions??

    White males … it’s like they dont even exist. Their concerns are not fit to mention.

    The only concerns you can mention are concerns of blacks, women, nature, and Jews (which is what “foreign policy” discussion is all about since there’s never been an attack on the continental United States).

    Covid? Wouldnt be a real “issue” just like SARS and H1N1 … except as a lit tire to put around the neck of the Orange man. Diseases happen and are not issues per se.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Father Coughlin

    Never?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

    , @sayless
    @Father Coughlin

    Yes, it's intensely irritating that when employment is brought up the litany is always blacks, hispanics, and women, and white men as such are never mentioned.

  225. @petit bourgeois
    I'm taking shots of Polish potato vodka every time creepy Joe says "come on" and "malarkey."

    I'm sufficiently buzzed 53 minutes into the debate.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    I’m taking shots of Polish potato vodka every time creepy Joe says “come on” and “malarkey.”

    What brand?

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    @Jim Don Bob

    LVOV, named after a city in Poland where it's made. I buy it by the case at $17.99 per 1.75 litre bottle. A real bargain. Hi-Time Wine Cellars in Costa Mesa will ship it just about anywhere in the lower 48.

    https://www.hitimewine.net/lvov-polish-vodka-1-75-i-111584.html

    Also, you may want to try a good barley vodka from Finland, Koskenkorva:

    https://www.hitimewine.net/koskenkorva-vodka-750-i-112643.html

    I keep a bottle in my freezer for any pandemic emergencies.

    Replies: @Jack D

  226. @Achmed E. Newman
    @peterike

    You're turning into Jack Hanson 2.0, Peter. Those who criticize Trump do it because they have been disappointed so many times, and, for a quite different reason often (as with Ann in this column), because they think he is stupidly losing this thing. We all on here want Trump to win. How could you not know that? We all on here will vote for him, or at least not for Biden.

    Trump is a blabbermouth and a bullshitter, but we realize he is on our side. The criticism is mostly valid though. He is just plain a bad executive with respect to hiring good people (like, ON HIS SIDE, for example). He has no long-term steady-going strategy, probably because he is continually and so easily distracted. I hope he has learned something from the 1st term and could do better in a 2nd. Even if he doesn't, of course, he's better than the alternative.

    Re: immigration, I pointed out a VDare article the other day with quite a bit of big-picture, overall good news from a few years, in the numbers of legal immigrants. On the wall, 400 miles sounds encouraging, but all but a few miles of that is rebuild of old border barrier. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is not 400 miles of new wall.

    I'm not watching the debate. I just have my signs, and I'm more happy to vote for him after reading that VDare article by "Washington Watcher II" from a week or so ago. OK, here it is - "NYT Delivers Unintentional Endorsement Of Trump's Immigration Triumph". If the NY Times hates his immigration policy, he is doing SOMETHING right.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @peterike

    You’re turning into Jack Hanson 2.0, Peter.

    Where is Jack? I miss his snark.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jim Don Bob

    Here's what I recollect, Sir Jim Don:

    I believe commenter Jim Hanson either took to heart what I was trying to convince him of (that criticism does not equal non-support) or it was his job as some official involved in the immigration apparatus on some level that got him pretty disappointed in President Trump himself. He mellowed out on all that continual scolding of anyone who said anything about Trump's blowing of campaign promises.

    In more direct answer to your question, I recall he asked Mr. Unz to take off his comments, which were indeed gone, and then he started writing as Jim Henson after a while. Yeah, I like the guy, and he was pretty funny, but I don't like not being able to get a simple point into someone's head for like, 6 months.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  227. 1) Biden doubled down on calling Trump “xenophobic”. Does the average voter think that is really a bad thing?
    2) The debate moderator was disturbing to look at as well as to hear her dumb questions. Turns out she’s a mulatress, though gives an appearance of some kind of middle-eastern. That blouse was sort of a come-hither. For a debate moderation?

  228. @Father Coughlin
    Werent these the same six subjects from the last debate? And many of the same questions??

    White males ... it's like they dont even exist. Their concerns are not fit to mention.

    The only concerns you can mention are concerns of blacks, women, nature, and Jews (which is what "foreign policy" discussion is all about since there's never been an attack on the continental United States).

    Covid? Wouldnt be a real "issue" just like SARS and H1N1 ... except as a lit tire to put around the neck of the Orange man. Diseases happen and are not issues per se.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @sayless

  229. @International Jew
    @Anon

    Yep. They're not interested in immigration. Unfortunately, immigration is interested in them.

    Replies: @Father Coughlin

    Much of the insouciance about immigration is competency-signaling. “You just got to know how to talk to these people, like I do!”.

    • Replies: @International Jew
    @Father Coughlin

    It's called "luxury beliefs". I think Steve has written about it.

  230. I recall some concern last week about a mean tweet by Trump, but I can’t remember what it was. Anybody?

  231. @anon
    @Harry Baldwin

    I noticed that long watch look too. And remembered how that (but much shorter) was played up by the press as indicative of Bush I being aloof and disengaged when he did it.

    For some reason, I'm doubting the press is going to be hyping it to the hilt here.

    Replies: @sayless

    James Woods pointed out that Biden’s watch is the kind that can receive text messages.

  232. @Allen
    @Dieter Kief

    Coulter's take on Trump's performance seems pretty positive:

    "I'm amazed at Trump's mastery of the subjects, amazed at how ridiculously polite he was, amazed at how good he was. Biden is a slurring dementia patient."

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1319468458418053124

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dieter Kief, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Stan Adams

    Thanks for posting this. I pay no attention to Twitter, Facebook, et al., so otherwise I’d not have seen Coulter’s take. The woman has an excellent grasp of reality. That she feels this way is comforting if not totally reassuring. The outcome of this Presidential election is up for grabs. I try not to think about it precisely because it is both so consequential and so uncertain.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Jus' Sayin'...


    The woman has an excellent grasp of reality. That she feels this way is comforting if not totally reassuring.
     
    Agree. She is really good at that. A prime noticer of the social and emotional aspects of politics. At times I felt the same fascination of her - live - - performances - like at the races or in a circus. she is a virtuoso.


    (And a bit freaky too).

  233. @Father Coughlin
    Werent these the same six subjects from the last debate? And many of the same questions??

    White males ... it's like they dont even exist. Their concerns are not fit to mention.

    The only concerns you can mention are concerns of blacks, women, nature, and Jews (which is what "foreign policy" discussion is all about since there's never been an attack on the continental United States).

    Covid? Wouldnt be a real "issue" just like SARS and H1N1 ... except as a lit tire to put around the neck of the Orange man. Diseases happen and are not issues per se.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @sayless

    Yes, it’s intensely irritating that when employment is brought up the litany is always blacks, hispanics, and women, and white men as such are never mentioned.

  234. @pepperinmono
    Most important line of nite was near end when Biden said he was going to end oil and gas industry
    Trump jumped on it
    Biden tried to soften it but it was too late
    Prolly lost PA, THE state for Dems

    Replies: @peterike, @Corn

    Biden tried to soften it but it was too late
    Prolly lost PA, THE state for Dems

    Biden will lose PA, until he wins it several days after election night when all the “mail-in” ballots are counted. The comprised and worthless Justice Roberts has already made sure of that. The fix is in.

    • Agree: V. Hickel
    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @peterike

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just unanimously ruled that anyone may cast any ballot(s) he gets his hands on as long as he puts a mark of some sort on the signature line.

    Replies: @Rob McX

  235. @Redman
    This is unfortunately quite true. I've tried to explain to friends that the complete evidence in the case points to a fentanyl drug overdose as Floyd's COD. They look at me like I'm completely nuts.

    The real problem with the Floyd case is that the media went into hibernation when the police bodycam footage was finally released. IIRC only the Daily Mail (not even an American newspaper) released it. The public and the MSM had spent too much energy and emotion to go back and reevaluate what "their own eyes saw." It couldn't all have been a mistake...could it?

    The cops all knew Floyd was having an excited delirium episode (most likely from drugs) and were just trying to stabilize him until the ambulance came. Chauvin was even using the same type of knee hold recommended by MPD procedures. The problem was they carried out these tasks with scowls of aggravation instead of smiley happy faces to calm the agitated crowd assembled to scream at them.

    The average human mind has little time for skepticism. Even less so after the entire MSM has "helped them make up their minds." It's too bad. If Trump were mentally agile, he could use the Floyd saga as a segue to mention the $8 Billion hit the opioid-pushing Sackler family just took thanks to the Trump DOJ. Another issue that's getting surprisingly little mention during this election cycle.

    Replies: @Ian Smith

    You could have that discussion if Floyd had been white (not that the media would have cared.) People have been so thoroughly indoctrinated in Negrolotry that all they need to see is a black in distress and that settles it for them.

  236. @Escher
    @Dan Hayes

    Is this true?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dan Hayes

    Hunter Biden bedding down both his sister-in-law and her child. This is the Scranton version of the transmorgified Borgias!

    Is this true?

    That NBC has utilized its paramount doxer, Brandy Zadrozny to suggest it is not and link it to both Pizzagate and QAnon, without actually being able to prove it false or impugn the sources suggests it reflects some dark truth. ( https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/inside-campaign-pizzagate-hunter-biden-n1244331)

    Evidence that it is likely true are among the Hunter emails which Giuliani has released to the public. (https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o-neil/2020/10/20/heres-a-sampling-of-the-hunter-biden-texts-giuliani-turned-over-to-the-fbi-n1073456) In the NBC hit piece these are never addressed, which suggests to me that they are iunimpeachable.

    A relevant email extract from PJMedia follows:

    [MORE]

    Hunter Biden allegedly sent the text messages to his father. In the messages, he allegedly accused his sister-in-law and former lover, Hallie Biden, of telling Hunter’s therapist that he was sleeping with a 14-year-old girl.

    The text messages Giuliani revealed to Newsmax read as follows:

    Joe Biden: This is [name of 14-year-old girl redacted] right

    Hunter Biden: She told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate with [name of 14-year-old girl redacted] when she says that I facetime naked with her and the reason I can’t have her out to see me is because I’ll walk around naked smoking crack talking [redacted] girls on face time. When she was pressed she said that [the unnamed 14-year-old girl] never said anything like that but the bottom line is that I created and caused

    Hunter Biden: A very unsafe environment for the kids.

    Hunter Biden: If it stopped there I would let it go

    Hunter Biden: But then [redacted] friend [redacted] sober coach.

    “This is supported by numerous pictures of underage girls,” Giuliani added. He said he turned the text messages over to the Delaware State Police because he was “very uncomfortable with the fact that these underage girls were not protected.”

  237. @Achmed E. Newman
    @peterike

    You're turning into Jack Hanson 2.0, Peter. Those who criticize Trump do it because they have been disappointed so many times, and, for a quite different reason often (as with Ann in this column), because they think he is stupidly losing this thing. We all on here want Trump to win. How could you not know that? We all on here will vote for him, or at least not for Biden.

    Trump is a blabbermouth and a bullshitter, but we realize he is on our side. The criticism is mostly valid though. He is just plain a bad executive with respect to hiring good people (like, ON HIS SIDE, for example). He has no long-term steady-going strategy, probably because he is continually and so easily distracted. I hope he has learned something from the 1st term and could do better in a 2nd. Even if he doesn't, of course, he's better than the alternative.

    Re: immigration, I pointed out a VDare article the other day with quite a bit of big-picture, overall good news from a few years, in the numbers of legal immigrants. On the wall, 400 miles sounds encouraging, but all but a few miles of that is rebuild of old border barrier. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is not 400 miles of new wall.

    I'm not watching the debate. I just have my signs, and I'm more happy to vote for him after reading that VDare article by "Washington Watcher II" from a week or so ago. OK, here it is - "NYT Delivers Unintentional Endorsement Of Trump's Immigration Triumph". If the NY Times hates his immigration policy, he is doing SOMETHING right.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob, @peterike

    We all on here will vote for him, or at least not for Biden.

    Countless people have directly said they will vote for Biden. I don’t mind people who are disappointed in Trump but will vote for him anyway. I do mind people whining here about Trump being nothing but a “blowhard” or whatever, trying to discourage others to not vote for Trump. People who will vote for Biden are simple too stupid to help.

    400 miles sounds encouraging, but all but a few miles of that is rebuild of old border barrier. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it is not 400 miles of new wall.

    Yes it is. The old “barriers” were utterly useless. They also happened to be in some of the most important crossing points. When you replace a leaky roof with a roof that doesn’t leak, you say you got a new roof.

    • Thanks: Harry Baldwin
  238. @Ozymandias
    Not only was the moderator 'relatively' fair, she did a much better job than Wallace.

    Replies: @peterike

    Not only was the moderator ‘relatively’ fair,

    How is interrupting Trump 30 times and Biden 2 times “relatively fair”?

  239. @dfordoom
    You have to keep in mind that the MAGA hat-wearers who turned up to Trump rallies were only a small proportion of the total number of people who voted for Trump. They were the loudest and most visible segment of his voters but you should not let that mislead you into thinking that they were anywhere near a majority.

    The fact that immigration was the big issue for the MAGA True Believers does not necessarily imply that it was the big issue for Trump's voters in general. Most of Trump's voters were just people who always vote Republican anyway. And the voters who mattered, in the swing states, were probably motivated much more highly by economic grievances than by immigration.

    The other problem is that Trump's tactic of appearing to be stridently anti-immigration may not work a second time. Voters this time would be much less inclined to believe him on this issue.

    If the only people allowed to vote were the minority of people who are intensely politically engaged (the MAGA hat wearers and the denizens of Unz Review) then putting immigration front and centre might be a great idea. But the majority who are only mildly politically engaged are more likely to vote the way the majority always votes - on bread-and-butter issues.

    Replies: @Anon, @RichardTaylor, @Ben tillman

    Overall, you’re right, but immigration is very much a bread-and-butter issue.

  240. @Mr McKenna
    America's Future, Here Today


    Georgia State Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick

    Did @realDonaldTrump just say 545 kids they can't find their parents for came over through "cartels and coyotes"?! How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?! Lord-----stop talking. #FinalDebate
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
     


    I don't have time for Netflix. Out here trying to stop @realDonaldTrump from continuing to kill Americans
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
     
    https://conservativefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Untitled-8-1000x600.jpg

    Previously on the Dar’shun Kendrick Show:
    https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=85576

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Clyde

    How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?

    That’s Dar’shun channeling Linda Radner (Emily Litella). Wait for the “Oh! Never mind.” in a day or two.

    • Replies: @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Well trained by Cesar Milan in Mexico?

  241. @RichardTaylor
    @dfordoom

    If voting for Trump isn't about immigration, what is it about? All the standard GOP candidates were destroyed by Trump, specifically because of immigration.

    Replies: @S. Anonyia, @International Jew, @Travis

    Besides immigration , Trump was opposed to more wars in the middle East, which is a big reason the GOP establishment opposed him. He failed to escalate the war in Syria, but should have brought all the troops home from Syria and Afghanistan. Any other Republican would have sent more troops to the middle east.

    He has fought in the courts to build the wall, issued executive orders to contravene Obama’s second-term open-borders mandates, juggled funding from a variety of agencies, and jawboned Mexico nonstop. Trump drastically cut refugee admissions, Though this year’s cap was 18,000, the administration welcomed fewer than 11,000 refugees as of Sept. 25. Obama set the cap for 2016 at 110,000 refugees. Trump lowered it to 15,000 for 2021. He also restricted travel from African and Muslim-majority countries with his Muslim ban. Family members hoping to travel legally from Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Somalia were blocked by the president’s travel ban.

    Increased vetting have further winnowed foreign travelers. The number of visas issued to foreigners abroad looking to immigrate to the United States has declined by 25%, to 462,422 in the 2019 fiscal year from 617,752 in 2016. But the wealth test — or public charge rule — may prove the most consequential change yet. Two-thirds of the immigrants who obtained permanent legal status from 2012 to 2016 could be blocked from doing so under the new rule, which denies green cards to those who are likely to need public assistance

    The National Foundation for American Policy projects that the number of legal immigrants will decline by 49% (or 581,845) between FY 2016 and FY 2021 due to Trump administration policies. (From the FY 2016 total of 1,183,505 down to 601,660 in FY 2021.) How did the Trump administration reduce legal immigration by 49% without changing U.S. immigration law? The answer is by using executive and administrative authorities.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/07/21/trump-cuts-legal-immigrants-by-half-and-hes-not-done-yet/#131141856168

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Travis

    Great comment, but still the black-pillers will insist "he's just a blowhard, he's useless, he's a con artist, might as well have a Democrat."

    Those commenters remind me of the priest in Zulu, who shrieks hysterically at the defenders of Rorke's Drift, "Death awaits you all! You're all going to die! Can't you see?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nUwZmg4W6c

  242. @pepperinmono
    Most important line of nite was near end when Biden said he was going to end oil and gas industry
    Trump jumped on it
    Biden tried to soften it but it was too late
    Prolly lost PA, THE state for Dems

    Replies: @peterike, @Corn

    I was too busy to watch the debate but I’ve seen some post debate links on twitter. More than a few Democratic pols in oil producing states are trying to do damage control on Biden’s fracking and oil comments.

  243. @peterike
    Ann has been a great disappointment. She's like so many of the eeyore's around here who pout like little children about Trump because he couldn't wave his hands and give them all their wishes.

    Trump actually has built almost 400 miles of wall, much of it in high-impact areas, and every inch of it built in the face of opposition from both parties, much of the judiciary and of course the media. But the eeyore's never take this into account.

    In some sense I agree. Trump ought to be like Obama -- just declare whatever unconstitutional thing he wants to do, and do it. But everyone rolled over for Obama, whereas they fight Trump tooth and nail. And despite the constant shouting by the Left that Trump is a "dictator" or whatever, he's actually the most procedure compliant President we've had in ages. Trump follows the rules, often to his own detriment.

    Anyway, if Hillary had won, how much wall would you have? Zero. If Biden wins he'll tear it down as a "gesture" and re-open all the floodgates Trump has been steadily closing (e.g. refugees at its lowest in decades ).

    Not voting for Trump in 2020 is an act of consummate stupidity.

    Replies: @Redman, @Ben tillman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Guy De Champlagne, @James Braxton, @AndrewR

    Hope Trump sees this, bro

  244. @Allen
    @Dieter Kief

    Coulter's take on Trump's performance seems pretty positive:

    "I'm amazed at Trump's mastery of the subjects, amazed at how ridiculously polite he was, amazed at how good he was. Biden is a slurring dementia patient."

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1319468458418053124

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dieter Kief, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Stan Adams

    So – was it her wake-up call that helped him to – focus?

    She was – rude I’d say. Or: Quite frank in putting him down at times (I’ve mentioned the sofa-slur already above, so…).

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dieter Kief

    Dieter, I read Ann Coulter weekly on VDare.com, very rarely missing a column. She wrote a couple of years back that, due to her constant pestering for the President to do WTF he promised on immigration (especially just the one thing - the "wall" , not the be-all-to-end-all, as commenters have noted), Mr. Trump didn't listen to/read her anymore. It was more detailed than that, like he blocked her on twitter or didn't "LIKE" her or some such "tech" nonsense.

    I assume that has changed, not based on the debate, as per your comment, but just because President Trump changes his mind like a race car changes tires.

    I think Ann Coulter has had a VERY GOOD effect in the long run of keeping Trump focused, sometimes for 3 minutes at a time, on the immigration issue.

    The chain of knowledge goes like this. VDare to Ann Coulter to Trump. It was very specific with Miss Coulter taking quite a bit from VDare for her Adios, America book, which Trump is said to have read(?)

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  245. @Jim Don Bob
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You’re turning into Jack Hanson 2.0, Peter.
     
    Where is Jack? I miss his snark.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Here’s what I recollect, Sir Jim Don:

    I believe commenter Jim Hanson either took to heart what I was trying to convince him of (that criticism does not equal non-support) or it was his job as some official involved in the immigration apparatus on some level that got him pretty disappointed in President Trump himself. He mellowed out on all that continual scolding of anyone who said anything about Trump’s blowing of campaign promises.

    In more direct answer to your question, I recall he asked Mr. Unz to take off his comments, which were indeed gone, and then he started writing as Jim Henson after a while. Yeah, I like the guy, and he was pretty funny, but I don’t like not being able to get a simple point into someone’s head for like, 6 months.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I believe commenter Jim Hanson either took to heart what I was trying to convince him of (that criticism does not equal non-support) or it was his job as some official involved in the immigration apparatus on some level that got him pretty disappointed in President Trump himself.
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/no-5bn-for-wall-but-11bn-for-mesoamerica/#comment-2706462
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/no-5bn-for-wall-but-11bn-for-mesoamerica/#comment-2706936
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/no-5bn-for-wall-but-11bn-for-mesoamerica/#comment-2709554
  246. @Guy De Champlagne
    @peterike

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn't build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones. Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn't want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.

    And what will we have with Biden: competence, stability, sensible economic and healthcare ideas, and an antimmigration movement (and white christian males more broadly) that can see clearly what losers they are. Not enough of any of those things but way more than under Trump.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad

    That last paragraph is a strong candidate for stupidest paragraph ever posted to this blog.

    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    @Ben tillman

    Something changed with that screen name is the past couple weeks. The account never stood out to me then all of a sudden it was like a switch had been flipped and it started posting C*vinus-esque "you are being replaced and what are you gonna do about it loser" rhetoric.

    A sleeper replicant. Another failed Voight-Kampff test, I suppose.

  247. @Dieter Kief
    @Allen

    So - was it her wake-up call that helped him to - focus?

    She was - rude I'd say. Or: Quite frank in putting him down at times (I've mentioned the sofa-slur already above, so...).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Dieter, I read Ann Coulter weekly on VDare.com, very rarely missing a column. She wrote a couple of years back that, due to her constant pestering for the President to do WTF he promised on immigration (especially just the one thing – the “wall” , not the be-all-to-end-all, as commenters have noted), Mr. Trump didn’t listen to/read her anymore. It was more detailed than that, like he blocked her on twitter or didn’t “LIKE” her or some such “tech” nonsense.

    I assume that has changed, not based on the debate, as per your comment, but just because President Trump changes his mind like a race car changes tires.

    I think Ann Coulter has had a VERY GOOD effect in the long run of keeping Trump focused, sometimes for 3 minutes at a time, on the immigration issue.

    The chain of knowledge goes like this. VDare to Ann Coulter to Trump. It was very specific with Miss Coulter taking quite a bit from VDare for her Adios, America book, which Trump is said to have read(?)

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Achmed E. Newman


    The chain of knowledge goes like this. VDare to Ann Coulter to Trump. It was very specific with Miss Coulter taking quite a bit from VDare for her Adios, America book, which Trump is said to have read(?)
     
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/08/03/did-ann-coulters-new-book-inspire-donald-trumps-mexican-rapists-comment/

    Trump’s confidence may have been bolstered by a new book from bestselling conservative firebrand Ann Coulter. In “Adios, America: The Left’s Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole,” Coulter devotes three chapters — and three “Spot the Immigrant!” case studies — to recounting cases of rape and sexual assault involving undocumented immigrants, many of them from Mexico and throughout Central America. “America is just bringing in a lot of rapists,” she warns.

    The book, which has earned a spot on both the New York Times and Washington Post nonfiction bestseller lists, was published June 1, more than two weeks ahead of Trump’s announcement. Via e-mail, Coulter told me that Trump had “asked for, and received, an advance copy of my book, and he told me. . . that he’s read the book cover to cover.” She emphasized that Trump has “been talking about immigration for years. . . he didn’t get his ideas from me. He had them. My book supports his ideas.”
     
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/603309709236510720
  248. @Guy De Champlagne
    @AnotherDad

    — the Democrats tried to impeach me because i asked the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden family corruption in the Ukraine. Twitter and Facebook blocked the NY Post stories on Biden’s corruption. The media doesn’t want to discuss it. Tonight’s moderator doesn’t want to talk about it. That’s Democrats for you: They don’t have a problem with Democrats’ corruption. They think exposing Democrat corruption ought to be illegal.

    It may be over your head but most people can see how wrong it is for Trump to ask Ukraine to single out his opponent for investigation so I don't think that the kind of hot talking point you think it is. It not only makes Trump look sleazy but also like an incompetent idiot. How hard would it have been to ask for broad anti corruption measures that guaranteed an investigation into Biden but also looked kosher and were above reproach?

    Replies: @Redman

    Most people don’t see anything wrong with a president asking the leader of another country for help in an investigation. The issue at impeachment was whether there was an implied quid pro quo related to US military aid. There wasn’t.

    Maybe you forgot that part.

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    @Redman

    Politics is full of quid pro quos. It's only a scandal if the the quid or the quo is unethical.

  249. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dan Hayes

    Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians,... have nothing about gay stuff, either pro or con. They don't care.
    Only Islam is against- and it is growing. But, its growth is cancerous.

    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.

    No way.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Cido, @James O'Meara, @The Wild Geese Howard

    What has that got to do with the price of meat in China?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Dan Hayes

    Maybe the word "Episcopalian" just evokes gayness in his mind. You can't really blame him, lol! Although Roman Catholics are making real progress in warming up to the LGTBI lobby.
    Just listen to this pro-LGTBI Jesuit priest! He's even written a pro-gay book!

    https://youtu.be/rf6QDDszhDc


    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/building-a-bridge-james-martin

  250. @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote:


    The moderator–a black girl!–
     
    She's actually half black (the "one-drop rule" is stupid).

    And she was not nearly as hostile to Trump, or as just plain stupid, as Chris Wallace.

    Yeah, she is biased towards the Dems. But by and large she actually let Trump speak.

    And she actually asked one question -- about the nation-wide $15/hr. minimum wage -- that put Biden is a bad light. And she did raise the Hunter laptop corruption issue, even if she devoted less attention to it than we might have liked (her colleagues are not going to be happy that she mentioned it at all).

    If most of the MSM were only as biased as Kristen Welker, we might actually have a free press.

    Besides, I could tolerate Welker as a next-door neighbor. If Chris Wallace or Jeff Toobin or Anderson Cooper or Don Lemon were my next-door neighbor, I'd be looking for a new neighborhood.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @ic1000

    I was pleasantly surprised with Welker, at least she didn’t flat-out start arguing with Trump. First host in a while to help her career, not hurt it.

    But the questions once again were mostly vapid lib talking points. If there was ever an Exhibit A for the feminization of the media, it was the sobbing and wailing over 500 unclaimed kids instead of a serious look at what illegal (and legal) immigration means to the American worker and American family.

  251. Mark Simone: Biden didn’t just throw a bone to the green-energy nuts, “he threw the whole dinosaur.”

    • LOL: Harry Baldwin
  252. @Travis
    @Prof. Woland

    The FBI attempted a coup against the President. The FBI is thoroughly corrupt and releasing the details of the Biden's corruption would have made Trump's discussion with Ukraine appear to be not only prudent, but it demonstrates Trump doing his job as chief executive to drain the swamp. It would ahve completely changed the narrative in December of 2019 going into February when the wasted so much of the Nations time impeaching the President for attempting to expose the corruption of Biden and indirectly Obama.

    Few thought Biden would win the nomination. They withheld the evidence against Biden to they could impeach Trump after the Russian collusion hoax failed. The FBI and the the deep state would have other means to get keep Saunders out of office. But keeping Biden a viable candidate was certianly better for the deep state then the alternative, exposing the corruption of the leading deep state politicians.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton, @Prof. Woland

    Well said. Somewhere I picked up that the FBI was pursuing this as ‘money laundering’ which means they could just bury the case indefinitely while they ‘investigated’ the matter. In a normal child abuse / smoking crack scenario, Hunter would have been taken down immediately hence spilling the beans. So just follow who in the FBI was in charge of this and add them to the coup plot.

    As implausible as “President Biden” sounds, I think the idea was always to use him strictly as a “place holder” so his vice president, whoever that black woman would be, would quickly assume the reigns of power. Kamala Harris washed out in the first round of the primaries. Nobody liked her. In fact, I believe that her only real purpose in running was to advertise as VP. Her lack of popularity did not matter. She was the Obama pick and had all the right people behind her.

    The beauty of this thing is that it will not ever go away irrespective of whether Biden is elected or not and not only are Joe’s fingerprints all over it but Obama’s too. If not because Obama siphoned money for himself then because he knew nothing while there was corruption going on with his subordinates. The Biden’s and Obamas will never get the taint off of them and if there is a President Harris, she will have it on her too.

    • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
    @Prof. Woland

    The Biden’s and Obamas will never get the taint off of them and if there is a President Harris, she will have it on her too.

    But half of the country will never see it this way, or even believe it. You know, the half of the country (at least) that would tell you, if asked, that the Mueller Report proved that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election. And, unfortunately, the people who work in mainstream news, teach our children, and write the history books are all in that half.

  253. There is a subthread, with comments from “Dr. Doom” and others, running through here about how important the immigration issue was to Trump’s support in 2016.

    I tend to agree that it was not that important. However, it should be stated that Trump would be in a stronger position running for re-election if he had accomplished more, and more visibly, to curb immigration (both legal and illegal, though there is a difference is that addressing legal immigration would require a congressional majority that wasn’t there), because he would have kept his key campaign promise.

    Now other presidents have gone back on the key campaign themes or promises that they ran on in the first place, and the last three presidents did so to some extent and got re-elected. But Clinton, failed on healthcare and implemented the GOP agenda on NAFTA, was re-elected with a plurality, and Obama, who did get healthcare legislation passed but otherwise failed to do any reforms, was re-elected with a smaller margin than four years earlier, which is unusual. Dubya delivered on tax cuts but not on getting the USA away from nation building efforts, and was re-elected with a popular vote majority and larger margin, but still narrowly. Part of the Reagan landslide was peace and prosperity, but part of it was actually delivering on his key campaign themes.

    However, the immigration issue did not really persuade enough people to vote for Trump in 2016 to elect him in the first place. To begin with is the awkward facts that he lost the nationwide popular vote by about 2%, and also ran behind what Romney got in 2012. Trump’s nationwide popular vote percentage was about what McCain got in 2008. Compared to 2012, Clinton dropped 3% from the Obama percentage, and Trump ran 1% behaind Romney.

    Going precinct by precinct, Trump did run ahead of Romney in rural and working class areas, and the Sanders-Trump voters seem to have been a factor. But of the voters who voted in both 2012 and 2016, the vast majority of Trump voters were people who had voted for Romney in 2012. Clinton lost a fair amount of support compared to Obama in working class areas. This is probably as due to her and her husband’s support for NAFTA and trade with China than on immigration. She held the Obama vote or improved on it in wealthy and middle class suburbs. Many people in these areas who voted for Romney in 2012 voted for Gary Johnson.

    My impression is that Jeb Bush or Rubio would have won a narrow popular vote plurality (and EV majority) over Clinton. Clinton would have held more of the Obama working class vote in this situation, but the bog standard Republican would have made it up by taking two thirds of Gary Johnson’s voters, and some wealthy voters who normally vote GOP but who voted for Clinton. Plus would have done better in fundraising and media coverage. But overall the Trump vote was the standard GOP vote.

    Trump did well on the debate, and the issue with the election, actually the same with 2016, is whether the Democratic advantages in fundraising, media coverage, and electoral fraud are going to overcome running a weak candidate on an unpopular platform.

    • Disagree: Father Coughlin
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @eD

    Just as Clinton lost despite getting more total votes, I think that Jeb or Rubio could have lost despite winning the popular vote (even assuming that they would have won the popular vote - I'm not persuaded by your analysis because in the end they were both lousy candidates - no matter how they appeared on paper, in the flesh they sucked). The key to Trump's victory was winning in the Rust Belt swing states and his positions on immigration and trade and obtaining the votes of non-college whites were important to those victories. And I'm not sure that either Jeb or Rubio would have had the same appeal, nor that they would have made it up in the key swing states by taking more of the Johnson and wealthy voters.

    We'll never really know and it's irrelevant anyway, but I doubt it. Jeb and Marco are both lightweights . You can't just go by paper assumptions. Character matters and these guys lack it.

    Replies: @eD

  254. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn’t been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It’s not fair, but life isn’t fair.'

    I don't think much of the disease in the first place -- but vaccine news is popping up all over.

    The media's playing it all down, but with twelve days left, it could spill out.

    ...and if there's a 'cure,' then all of a sudden Trump is on the right side of history. That's one thing Trump let Biden have. Biden got to be Mister Shutdown -- and people are really sick of this.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Wielgus

    Objectively, there’s nothing particularly wrong with the way Trump handled Covid (not that it was entirely within his control). Everyone was groping around in the dark and no one really knew what to do, and even if they did, just because the POTUS says something doesn’t mean that it will actually happen. The biggest charge against the President appears to be that he told people not to wear masks but that part isn’t true. At the beginning, Leftists like Fauci and the Surgeon General were the ones telling us not to wear masks – they were against masks before they were for them. There’s no rule that the POTUS has to follow every twist and turn of the Party Line or else he’s a bad man. The “Scientists” aren’t gods.

    If Trump is no more “responsible” for the supposed 200,000+ Covid deaths in America than he is responsible for the Covid deaths in the UK or Belgium or India, etc. – this is a worldwide pandemic and only a few island nations and totalitarian countries have been able to control it within their countries. Nor is it clear which policies work and which ones don’t work or whether the infection rate really has much to do with government policy at all but instead varies based mainly on climate, living patterns, etc. Pretty much everywhere and no matter what you do, there is an initial spike and then the infection rate crashes back down, just like all epidemics. And government in the US is highly decentralized – the local governors and mayors are more in charge of Covid response than the POTUS is. The US is #8 in per capita Covid deaths – it’s no worse than a lot of places.

    However, voting does not obey logic. On a feelz basis, this happened on Trump’s watch so he takes the blame just like Herbert Hoover was assigned the blame for the worldwide Depression. It sucks for him, but it is what it is.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  255. ‘…It sucks for him, but it is what it is.’

    It sucks for us, too, because of what we’ll get in his stead.

  256. @Rob McX
    @AnotherDad


    It is so fundamental, that i honestly believe our founders simply never conceived that they needed to write it down.
     
    I think that could apply to a lot of things that get approved by the Supreme Court. If the founders could have seen two centuries into the future, they'd surely have taken the precaution of writing that marriage is exclusively between people of opposite sexes, for instance.

    Replies: @PiltdownMan, @Hibernian

    The constitution is suitable only for the government of a moral and religious people. – Approximate quote from John Adams.

  257. @Allen
    @Anonymous

    Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage. Although Francis has once again sown confusion by his irresponsible statements, these statements do not change the official church doctrine.

    According to Catholic Answers: "A pope’s private theological opinions are not infallible; only what he solemnly defines is considered to be infallible teaching." https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility

    Thus statements by Pope Francis are not binding on the Catholic church as a whole because it is only his private opinion and not an official pronouncement based on his office.

    A Pope's statements are only binding on the church when:

    (1) they pertain to faith and morals, (2) are made in his official capacity as Pope, (3) are intended as definitive teaching (not opinion), (4) are designated as something all the church must assent to.

    It is important note that there have been Popes in the past who held outright heretical opinions, such as Pope Honorius in the seventh century. Indeed, Honorius was formally condemned about fifty years after his death at the sixth ecumenical council in 680.

    The church has survived heretical popes and it will survive Pope Francis.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

    The church has survived heretical popes and it will survive Pope Francis.

    My belief that the gates of Hell will not prevail has been continually been put to the test under Francis’ Papacy.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  258. @eD
    There is a subthread, with comments from "Dr. Doom" and others, running through here about how important the immigration issue was to Trump's support in 2016.

    I tend to agree that it was not that important. However, it should be stated that Trump would be in a stronger position running for re-election if he had accomplished more, and more visibly, to curb immigration (both legal and illegal, though there is a difference is that addressing legal immigration would require a congressional majority that wasn't there), because he would have kept his key campaign promise.

    Now other presidents have gone back on the key campaign themes or promises that they ran on in the first place, and the last three presidents did so to some extent and got re-elected. But Clinton, failed on healthcare and implemented the GOP agenda on NAFTA, was re-elected with a plurality, and Obama, who did get healthcare legislation passed but otherwise failed to do any reforms, was re-elected with a smaller margin than four years earlier, which is unusual. Dubya delivered on tax cuts but not on getting the USA away from nation building efforts, and was re-elected with a popular vote majority and larger margin, but still narrowly. Part of the Reagan landslide was peace and prosperity, but part of it was actually delivering on his key campaign themes.

    However, the immigration issue did not really persuade enough people to vote for Trump in 2016 to elect him in the first place. To begin with is the awkward facts that he lost the nationwide popular vote by about 2%, and also ran behind what Romney got in 2012. Trump's nationwide popular vote percentage was about what McCain got in 2008. Compared to 2012, Clinton dropped 3% from the Obama percentage, and Trump ran 1% behaind Romney.

    Going precinct by precinct, Trump did run ahead of Romney in rural and working class areas, and the Sanders-Trump voters seem to have been a factor. But of the voters who voted in both 2012 and 2016, the vast majority of Trump voters were people who had voted for Romney in 2012. Clinton lost a fair amount of support compared to Obama in working class areas. This is probably as due to her and her husband's support for NAFTA and trade with China than on immigration. She held the Obama vote or improved on it in wealthy and middle class suburbs. Many people in these areas who voted for Romney in 2012 voted for Gary Johnson.

    My impression is that Jeb Bush or Rubio would have won a narrow popular vote plurality (and EV majority) over Clinton. Clinton would have held more of the Obama working class vote in this situation, but the bog standard Republican would have made it up by taking two thirds of Gary Johnson's voters, and some wealthy voters who normally vote GOP but who voted for Clinton. Plus would have done better in fundraising and media coverage. But overall the Trump vote was the standard GOP vote.

    Trump did well on the debate, and the issue with the election, actually the same with 2016, is whether the Democratic advantages in fundraising, media coverage, and electoral fraud are going to overcome running a weak candidate on an unpopular platform.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Just as Clinton lost despite getting more total votes, I think that Jeb or Rubio could have lost despite winning the popular vote (even assuming that they would have won the popular vote – I’m not persuaded by your analysis because in the end they were both lousy candidates – no matter how they appeared on paper, in the flesh they sucked). The key to Trump’s victory was winning in the Rust Belt swing states and his positions on immigration and trade and obtaining the votes of non-college whites were important to those victories. And I’m not sure that either Jeb or Rubio would have had the same appeal, nor that they would have made it up in the key swing states by taking more of the Johnson and wealthy voters.

    We’ll never really know and it’s irrelevant anyway, but I doubt it. Jeb and Marco are both lightweights . You can’t just go by paper assumptions. Character matters and these guys lack it.

    • Replies: @eD
    @Jack D

    These are all valid point.

    My overall point is that in the general election, the 2016 Trump vote seems to have been the standard modern GOP vote, with some additional working class (OK "non college educated") support, and some leakage among the country club set to Clinton and Johnson.

    Clinton herself ran nationwide only 1% behind her husband's re-election percentage, and only 3% behind Obama's re-election percentage, but it turned out she couldn't afford to lose the remaining deplorables that still voted Donk because of the states they lived in and how the Electoral College map worked.

    And the working class or non-college educated shift was probably as much due to trade as immigration. Interestingly, the Trump administration turned out to be more active on reversing trade than on reversing immigration policy. And this is probably what got him in greater trouble with the elites, who are at least financially invested in the trade arrangements with China.

    To a remarkable extent, people still believe the mainstream media, and don't think much about immigration beyond the Emma Lazarus myth. I still think the Trump administration should have been more active on this, both as good policy and to be able to run on keeping his campaign promises. But maybe the GOP Senators would have removed him if he was seen as cutting off the cheap labor spigot.

  259. @Guy De Champlagne
    @peterike

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn't build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones. Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn't want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.

    And what will we have with Biden: competence, stability, sensible economic and healthcare ideas, and an antimmigration movement (and white christian males more broadly) that can see clearly what losers they are. Not enough of any of those things but way more than under Trump.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @Ben tillman, @AnotherDad

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn’t build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones.

    Tip: pronouncing that people are stupid about something which apparently you have not even given the slightest thought toward… does not bathe yourself in glory. A general rule is you should actually analyze the problem a bit before pronouncing.

    Walls, fences, border barriers have been going up all over the world because … they work!

    Without drilling down four points:

    1) Deterrence
    The calculus of people attempting something depends quite a bit on chance of success. If a young man in southern Mexico or Central America is contemplating the trip north, the difference between a scenario where it may take five or six attempts at scaling the fence with a gang and getting past la migra–say a 95% of ultimate success–and a scenario where the wall is essentially impenetrable (baring military attack) and you need thousands of dollars for a coyote caravan out in the desert somewhere or phony papers/cover story for the border–and still may fail!–is absolutely huge.

    The wall radically changes the probability and cost of success so radically changes the numbers of attempts.

    2) System success.
    The wall, radically improves the performance of the overall system. When the border is easily penetrated, then the border patrol has its hands full just doing catch and release of thousands every day. When the wall drops the numbers, then the border patrol guys are no long chasing down thousands of illegals crashing the border, and can respond to tougher more sophisticated coyote operations.

    The wall doesn’t just make the physical border wall better, it makes the whole system a lot harder.

    3) Politically “imperivious”
    Trump builds the Wall … and the wall is still there when a Democrat takes office. Border patrol budgets, staffing, detention policies, etc. etc.–all the bureaucratic stuff (“software”)–that Trump put in place, the Parasite Party President (PPP) can wave away through his appointees and policy changes. But the physical wall (“hardware”) is still there. The PPP can try and take it down, but that’s much, much more politically fraught. It is openly announcing an open borders, illegals welcome position–no longer boiling the frog.

    Physical infrastructure survives–and ergo continues to do its job–through political transitions.

    4) Changed politics.
    Because they do not want the problem fixed, minoritarians (leftists, big-staters) attempt to wrap illegal immigration–and a lot of other straightforward, tractable problems–in a miasma of “complexity” and “intractability”. “It’s complex”. “Multiple causes.” “Simple solutions don’t work.” Complete and utter nonsense. Minoritarians/leftists/Democrats simply want you to think illegal immigration is unstoppable, so you’ll tolerate it continuing.

    There are complex and difficult human problems. I have no idea how to save someone’s marriage, or get some drug addict to turn his life around. Nor can i “cure” poverty with a snap of my fingers. (Leftists love taking on genuinely intractable problems.) The “cure” is more intelligent and conscientious people along with a robust economy–i.e. eugenics. But most political problems actually have fairly simple solutions … it’s just that those solutions are opposed by some constituency invested in the current order or simply in not fixing the problem.

    But if you actually start fixing a problem, you change the politics around it. Build the Wall–and make e-verify mandatory, jack up workplace raids and shut down offending employers, ramp up deportations–and suddenly the politics changes. People can see that illegal immigration is not intractable, but in fact can be dramatically reduced or completely stopped, pretty easily by different policies … then they want those different policies!

    Politics–political demands and expectations–responds dramatically to success and failure, to perceptions of possibility.

    ~~~

    Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn’t want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.

    Here you are more on target. Intelligent anti-immigration people want the Wall and e-verify. You need mandatory e-verify to lower the “draw” of the US, to handle the “arrived legally” problem and to force self-deportation.

    And yes, Republicans kowtow too much to business–but then fold to the Democrat/minoritarian “diversity” impositions upon business which are completely negative, a deadweight cost. And Trump is a pretty standard Republican in such kowtowing–persuadable against anything impacting “business”.

    But e-verify alone is not enough. People can cheat. There is lots of under-the-table, off the books work. And criminality. And security issues. No one should be here who isn’t supposed to be here.

    No, you absolutely positively need a hard, impenetrable border–control of access–then you build on top of that with a “hard” interior where it is difficult to find a job or a place to live as an illegal.

    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
    @AnotherDad

    I'm not allowed to click the button for Agree / Disagree, etc. because I haven't published enough comments. Fine. This is my reply:

    Agree. Thanks.

    Thoughtful observations on your part.

    , @Prof. Woland
    @AnotherDad

    In military terms, a wall is a "force multiplier". It allows the defenders to use fewer people to cover the same area. Prisons and fortresses are the same.

    I saw a recent video of Mark Morgan who was at the border comparing the old and new walls. The comment of the BP subordinate that was accompanying him was that is takes 2 BP agents to do what it took 6-8 to do before. I am not sure how many BP agents they need per mile (there are between 17-19000 on the us southern border now) but figuring that it takes $100 k+ to hire and equip one agent per year, that saves a perhaps a half a million dollars a year per mile. Multiply that by 2,000 miles and we are saving $1,000,000,000 per year just on manpower and at a total cost of $20 billion for the whole fence, that is a low risk 5% return on investment.

    , @Guy De Champlagne
    @AnotherDad

    Is there a single example of a country effectively using a wall to control economic migration? All the examples that get cited are for security issues.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth

  260. @Allen
    @Anonymous

    Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage. Although Francis has once again sown confusion by his irresponsible statements, these statements do not change the official church doctrine.

    According to Catholic Answers: "A pope’s private theological opinions are not infallible; only what he solemnly defines is considered to be infallible teaching." https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility

    Thus statements by Pope Francis are not binding on the Catholic church as a whole because it is only his private opinion and not an official pronouncement based on his office.

    A Pope's statements are only binding on the church when:

    (1) they pertain to faith and morals, (2) are made in his official capacity as Pope, (3) are intended as definitive teaching (not opinion), (4) are designated as something all the church must assent to.

    It is important note that there have been Popes in the past who held outright heretical opinions, such as Pope Honorius in the seventh century. Indeed, Honorius was formally condemned about fifty years after his death at the sixth ecumenical council in 680.

    The church has survived heretical popes and it will survive Pope Francis.

    Replies: @Hibernian, @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

    “ Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage.”

    The horror! I hope your hands don’t have scars from clutching those pearls so tightly. God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society.

    • Disagree: Father Coughlin
    • LOL: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills


    God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society.
     
    Gay "marriage" never had anything whatsoever to do with giving "two adults in love...a modicum of respect."

    I mean, straight marriage never had anything to do with anything like that.

    Are you, by any chance, about twelve years old?

    , @HA
    @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills

    "The horror! I hope your hands don’t have scars from clutching those pearls so tightly. God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society."

    You're kidding, right? How about you become a baker and then choose not to decorate a cake the next time two of those adults come offering you their custom?

    I tell you, THAT is when the real horror-shrieking and pearl-clutching will commence. You really think that when it comes to dispensing drama, it is the straight people who have the advantage?

  261. @Mr. Anon
    @Jack D


    Mass immigration is a huge boon for Democrats. It gives them lots of new voters.
     
    The point he should emphasize is that the Democrats want to replace us. They want to displace us with foreigners - in our own country. They even crow about how whites are becoming a minoritiy.

    Of course, Trump will not do anything that Coulter recommends, because he's a vain, shallow blowhard.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Oops. This was intended as a reply to the thread, not to that particular commenter.

  262. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dan Hayes

    Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians,... have nothing about gay stuff, either pro or con. They don't care.
    Only Islam is against- and it is growing. But, its growth is cancerous.

    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.

    No way.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Cido, @James O'Meara, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.

    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better, if we are motivated to know the truth objectively.
    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal. But science doesn’t say that.

    • Replies: @JMcG
    @Cido

    Christianity doesn’t say all people are equal, it says we are all made in God’s image and all fully deserving of human dignity. Christianity has always been hierarchical.

    , @Reg Cæsar
    @Cido


    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?

     

    Only the fittest survive. That's one way to render one's progeny unfit. Darwin is the only Darwinist who actually bred.
    , @Stan Adams
    @Cido

    True atheism is nihilism. Nothing is right and nothing is wrong.

    Most self-professed "atheists" subscribe to various forms of mutilated Christianity. They believe in religious concepts such as good and evil. If you push hard enough, you'll find that most of them believe in the will of the universe or in some other nebulous God-like concept.



    Recently I had a conversation with a militant "atheist" about the election. He described Trump as "evil":

    "Why is Trump evil?" I asked.

    "He's a white supremacist."

    "Why is white supremacy bad?"

    "Uh ... slavery? The Holocaust?"

    "Why is slavery bad?"

    "What do you mean, why is slavery bad?"

    "Tell me why slavery is bad."

    "You can't enslave another person!"

    "Why?"

    "Because you can't!"

    "Why?"

    "Because it's evil!"

    "Why is it evil?"

    "Because it is!"

    "What does evil mean?"

    "Evil is making other people suffer."

    "Why is it wrong to make other people suffer?"

    "What do you mean, 'why is it wrong?' It's wrong! Everyone knows that!"

    "Why?"

    "Because it's wrong! Don't you care about other people?"

    "No. Why should I care?"

    "Because if you don't care about their suffering, then they don't have to care about yours."

    "Why should other people care about my suffering?"

    "Don't you want them to?"

    "What I want is irrelevant. I don't care about anyone and I don't expect anyone to care about me. Why is that bad?"

    "Well, you should care. We have to help each other."

    "Why should 'we' have to help each other?"

    "It's the human thing to do."

    "Why should I do the human thing? Why can't I do whatever I want?"

    "You can't. You have to behave like a civilized human being."

    "Why?"

    "Because maintaining civilization requires a certain amount of cooperation."

    "Why should I care about maintaining civilization?"

    "Never mind."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @HA
    @Cido

    "the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal"

    Where did you get this so-called unversalist Christian idea that went unnoticed until a bunch of Freemason Deists decided to make a slogan out of it? The divine right of kings? The teaching that some of us are the "head" of the body, while others are the "less honourable members of the body"? The longstanding acceptance (as lefty atheists never tire of reminding us) of serfdom and slavery? You see? I can cherry-pick as well as you can.

    "Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better..."


    Do tell. How exactly does this "atheist scientific" spiel on the meaning of life go? If you think it's that much better, than surely you have specifics. As for me, I must have missed that memo, but maybe it got lost between all the quarks and gluons.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Cido


    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
     
    The greatest crimes against humanity have been committed by atheists. All those atheists claimed science as their god, and all worshiped at the altar of science.

    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal
     
    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine. Equality was obviously equality in Christ. Only the redeemed could claim that status. And then only as spiritual beings.

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @Yngvar

  263. @Mr McKenna
    America's Future, Here Today


    Georgia State Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick

    Did @realDonaldTrump just say 545 kids they can't find their parents for came over through "cartels and coyotes"?! How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?! Lord-----stop talking. #FinalDebate
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
    https://mobile.twitter.com/DarshunKendrick/status/1319459569073008641
     


    I don't have time for Netflix. Out here trying to stop @realDonaldTrump from continuing to kill Americans
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
     
    https://conservativefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Untitled-8-1000x600.jpg

    Previously on the Dar’shun Kendrick Show:
    https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=85576

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Jack D

    It’s OK – Trump thought that Biden was calling him Abe Lincoln. He was, but sarcastically and the sarcasm went right over Trump’s head.

    I think Biden should have called him “Honest Abe” – that would have stung more by contrast. He also missed a chance to reprise Lloyd Bentsen’s line and make fun of the age issue (as Reagan did in his debate by saying that he wouldn’t hold his opponents youth against him) by saying “I knew Abe Lincoln. Abe Lincoln was a friend of mine. And you’re no Abe Lincoln.”

    But that he didn’t think of any of these shows how weak he really is. There’s a belief that even Bentsen’s line had been prepared in advance because they knew that Quayle had been comparing himself to JFK.

  264. Trump should take campaign cash from his numerous Wall St. friends, but I can understand him not wanting to give the totally, special interest dominated DEMs a campaign issue.

    It was funny to see Trump short-circuit after Biden dismissed the laptop story as Russian interference.

  265. @Jack D
    @eD

    Just as Clinton lost despite getting more total votes, I think that Jeb or Rubio could have lost despite winning the popular vote (even assuming that they would have won the popular vote - I'm not persuaded by your analysis because in the end they were both lousy candidates - no matter how they appeared on paper, in the flesh they sucked). The key to Trump's victory was winning in the Rust Belt swing states and his positions on immigration and trade and obtaining the votes of non-college whites were important to those victories. And I'm not sure that either Jeb or Rubio would have had the same appeal, nor that they would have made it up in the key swing states by taking more of the Johnson and wealthy voters.

    We'll never really know and it's irrelevant anyway, but I doubt it. Jeb and Marco are both lightweights . You can't just go by paper assumptions. Character matters and these guys lack it.

    Replies: @eD

    These are all valid point.

    My overall point is that in the general election, the 2016 Trump vote seems to have been the standard modern GOP vote, with some additional working class (OK “non college educated”) support, and some leakage among the country club set to Clinton and Johnson.

    Clinton herself ran nationwide only 1% behind her husband’s re-election percentage, and only 3% behind Obama’s re-election percentage, but it turned out she couldn’t afford to lose the remaining deplorables that still voted Donk because of the states they lived in and how the Electoral College map worked.

    And the working class or non-college educated shift was probably as much due to trade as immigration. Interestingly, the Trump administration turned out to be more active on reversing trade than on reversing immigration policy. And this is probably what got him in greater trouble with the elites, who are at least financially invested in the trade arrangements with China.

    To a remarkable extent, people still believe the mainstream media, and don’t think much about immigration beyond the Emma Lazarus myth. I still think the Trump administration should have been more active on this, both as good policy and to be able to run on keeping his campaign promises. But maybe the GOP Senators would have removed him if he was seen as cutting off the cheap labor spigot.

  266. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Anonymous


    OT Pope Francis – in his infallible wisdom – has just come out(!) in favor so called ‘homosexual marriage’, thus more or less rendering 2000 years of ecclesiastical jurisprudence as a farce.
     
    No. Partnership, not marriage.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @HA

    “No. Partnership, not marriage.”

    No, even that is pushing it, though I guess we’ll see. What he actually said was, right after deploring families who kick out and ostracize gay members, was that there needs to be a “civil coexistence” between gays and their families, not legal recognition of unions that gay people form with each other.

    Yes, it’s certainly one more confusion-sowing boner by a pope whose sloppy oratory rarely rises above that of an entry-level substitute teacher, and it may ultimately be regarded as “sending out feelers” in an effort to shift doctrine around (to the delight of the many members of the hierarchy’s Lavender Mafia), but so far, given the context, he hasn’t said anything out of line with the usual “we’re all God’s children regardless of our proclivities, but man/man and woman/woman sex is intrinsically messed up” line. Of course, Democrats and other gay advocates will seize on it for their own ends, and he should have foreseen that, but him being a putz should take precedence over deviousness as the ultimate motivation behind this.

    For what it’s worth, as noted in the above link, he has argued back before he was pope that civil-union recognition of gays is a possible last-ditch measure in preventing same-sex marriage, but given the context, it’s doubtful as to whether he had even that in mind this time around.

  267. @Jim Don Bob
    @petit bourgeois


    I’m taking shots of Polish potato vodka every time creepy Joe says “come on” and “malarkey.”
     
    What brand?

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

    LVOV, named after a city in Poland where it’s made. I buy it by the case at $17.99 per 1.75 litre bottle. A real bargain. Hi-Time Wine Cellars in Costa Mesa will ship it just about anywhere in the lower 48.

    https://www.hitimewine.net/lvov-polish-vodka-1-75-i-111584.html

    Also, you may want to try a good barley vodka from Finland, Koskenkorva:

    https://www.hitimewine.net/koskenkorva-vodka-750-i-112643.html

    I keep a bottle in my freezer for any pandemic emergencies.

    • Thanks: Jim Don Bob
    • Replies: @Jack D
    @petit bourgeois

    Lvov isn't in Poland anymore. Since the end of WWII, the city is now in Ukraine and is called Lviv. (Before WWI it was called Lemberg and was part of Austria-Hungary). Lvov vodka is made somewhere in Poland from what I gather but not in the former Lvov.

    Stolichnaya, the most famous "Russian" vodka is nowadays made in Latvia so go figure. Since vodka is by definition tasteless (especially if you mix it with anything), any premium that you pay for top shelf vodka is paying for the advertising and the image. The name and the image often has little to do with what is in the bottle.

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

  268. @Whiskey
    I don't think debates move people one way or the other.

    Moreover, I think most White voters prefer Biden. I said most -- the professional middle and upper classes. They love BLM, love the riots, gives them a frisson of fear like a rollercoaster ride. They love love love Black people and particularly Black thugs. They hate hate hate White men, for a variety of reasons, mostly due to lack of thuggery dominance.

    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go! 3. Get rid of fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine! 4. You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster. 5. More immigration and open borders, hope you proles enjoy your new Somali neighbors while we live in security buildings you scum!

    That is the Democratic Party in a nutshell. Champagne Communists.

    The wild card is the Military. It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can. The Pentagon has to be completely paranoid that Biden or President Harris will simply surrender and blame THEM. Also AOC has let the cat out of the bag, demanding the end to the US Military to spend on ... wait for it ... wait for it ... BLACK PEOPLE!

    So given the weakness of the Biden team, and the wokeness of Harris and her Silicon Valley team, it looks like their is a big split in the ruling oligarchy about to break out. Those Hunter Biden crack pipe pics got published for a reason, and it wasn't Donald Trump. The rumors about Hunter screwing his 14 year old niece are also out there for a reason. It is likely dawning on the Joint Chiefs that they and their whole way of life is toast if Biden wins. Their retirement plan will go from big shot lobbyist to Wal Mart Greeter.

    Hate Whitey is all well and good when the only enemy is a bunch of Muslims in sand filled hellholes, when its a serious major industrial power with most of the World's manufacturing capacity, that's another thing. Tawain like Black people in America was a question that could not be kicked down the road forever. Looks like both are coming to a head: A. Will China finally invade Taiwan and kick off another Pacific War over who rules the Pacific, and B. Are Black people America's natural ruling class and nobility with Whites peasant untouchables?

    Lets hope for War with China. We can't afford any more general peace.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @Neoconned, @The Wild Geese Howard

    “In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can.”

    Like the notion of Putin “interfering” with our elections (oh please, Mr. Putin, do it!) looks like China has the right idea.

    I hate that stupid Hawaii which has no business being a “state”. It might as well be on the moon for all its relevance to the Real 48. (I’m looking at you too, Alaska). All it does is supply district judges to overrule Trump (how?) and morons like that Lady Senator.

    As per usual, the Dems have the stick at the wrong end. We should REDUCE the number of states. A smaller number of larger states would make devolution more reasonable (like the way Canada’s large provinces handle health care, education, etc.) Tiny states are a legacy of the limited worldview of the 18th century (Rhode Island! Delaware! Why not just have New England?) and weird states like AK and HI (along with Guam etc.) are a legacy of failed imperialism.

    Also, aircraft carriers are obsolete.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Forgive the ignorance but how do larger Canadian provinces handle health care?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  269. @Whiskey
    I don't think debates move people one way or the other.

    Moreover, I think most White voters prefer Biden. I said most -- the professional middle and upper classes. They love BLM, love the riots, gives them a frisson of fear like a rollercoaster ride. They love love love Black people and particularly Black thugs. They hate hate hate White men, for a variety of reasons, mostly due to lack of thuggery dominance.

    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go! 3. Get rid of fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine! 4. You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster. 5. More immigration and open borders, hope you proles enjoy your new Somali neighbors while we live in security buildings you scum!

    That is the Democratic Party in a nutshell. Champagne Communists.

    The wild card is the Military. It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can. The Pentagon has to be completely paranoid that Biden or President Harris will simply surrender and blame THEM. Also AOC has let the cat out of the bag, demanding the end to the US Military to spend on ... wait for it ... wait for it ... BLACK PEOPLE!

    So given the weakness of the Biden team, and the wokeness of Harris and her Silicon Valley team, it looks like their is a big split in the ruling oligarchy about to break out. Those Hunter Biden crack pipe pics got published for a reason, and it wasn't Donald Trump. The rumors about Hunter screwing his 14 year old niece are also out there for a reason. It is likely dawning on the Joint Chiefs that they and their whole way of life is toast if Biden wins. Their retirement plan will go from big shot lobbyist to Wal Mart Greeter.

    Hate Whitey is all well and good when the only enemy is a bunch of Muslims in sand filled hellholes, when its a serious major industrial power with most of the World's manufacturing capacity, that's another thing. Tawain like Black people in America was a question that could not be kicked down the road forever. Looks like both are coming to a head: A. Will China finally invade Taiwan and kick off another Pacific War over who rules the Pacific, and B. Are Black people America's natural ruling class and nobility with Whites peasant untouchables?

    Lets hope for War with China. We can't afford any more general peace.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @Neoconned, @The Wild Geese Howard

    “1. America was never great,”

    I don’t know if you know this, and if so, for the sake of everyone else, I must point out that Gov. Cuomo did, in fact, say just that, literally as Joe would say, after which he quickly looked around for the expected applause. It worked in NY of course, and the media tried to portray him as a tribune of Truth against ignorant Trump (Trump and his voters think America was great because they never went to college and so never read Zinn’s History), but it didn’t pan out elsewhere.

  270. @AnotherDad
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn’t build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones.
     

    Tip: pronouncing that people are stupid about something which apparently you have not even given the slightest thought toward... does not bathe yourself in glory. A general rule is you should actually analyze the problem a bit before pronouncing.

    Walls, fences, border barriers have been going up all over the world because ... they work!

    Without drilling down four points:

    1) Deterrence
    The calculus of people attempting something depends quite a bit on chance of success. If a young man in southern Mexico or Central America is contemplating the trip north, the difference between a scenario where it may take five or six attempts at scaling the fence with a gang and getting past la migra--say a 95% of ultimate success--and a scenario where the wall is essentially impenetrable (baring military attack) and you need thousands of dollars for a coyote caravan out in the desert somewhere or phony papers/cover story for the border--and still may fail!--is absolutely huge.

    The wall radically changes the probability and cost of success so radically changes the numbers of attempts.

    2) System success.
    The wall, radically improves the performance of the overall system. When the border is easily penetrated, then the border patrol has its hands full just doing catch and release of thousands every day. When the wall drops the numbers, then the border patrol guys are no long chasing down thousands of illegals crashing the border, and can respond to tougher more sophisticated coyote operations.

    The wall doesn't just make the physical border wall better, it makes the whole system a lot harder.

    3) Politically "imperivious"
    Trump builds the Wall ... and the wall is still there when a Democrat takes office. Border patrol budgets, staffing, detention policies, etc. etc.--all the bureaucratic stuff ("software")--that Trump put in place, the Parasite Party President (PPP) can wave away through his appointees and policy changes. But the physical wall ("hardware") is still there. The PPP can try and take it down, but that's much, much more politically fraught. It is openly announcing an open borders, illegals welcome position--no longer boiling the frog.

    Physical infrastructure survives--and ergo continues to do its job--through political transitions.

    4) Changed politics.
    Because they do not want the problem fixed, minoritarians (leftists, big-staters) attempt to wrap illegal immigration--and a lot of other straightforward, tractable problems--in a miasma of "complexity" and "intractability". "It's complex". "Multiple causes." "Simple solutions don't work." Complete and utter nonsense. Minoritarians/leftists/Democrats simply want you to think illegal immigration is unstoppable, so you'll tolerate it continuing.

    There are complex and difficult human problems. I have no idea how to save someone's marriage, or get some drug addict to turn his life around. Nor can i "cure" poverty with a snap of my fingers. (Leftists love taking on genuinely intractable problems.) The "cure" is more intelligent and conscientious people along with a robust economy--i.e. eugenics. But most political problems actually have fairly simple solutions ... it's just that those solutions are opposed by some constituency invested in the current order or simply in not fixing the problem.

    But if you actually start fixing a problem, you change the politics around it. Build the Wall--and make e-verify mandatory, jack up workplace raids and shut down offending employers, ramp up deportations--and suddenly the politics changes. People can see that illegal immigration is not intractable, but in fact can be dramatically reduced or completely stopped, pretty easily by different policies ... then they want those different policies!

    Politics--political demands and expectations--responds dramatically to success and failure, to perceptions of possibility.

    ~~~


    Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn’t want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.
     
    Here you are more on target. Intelligent anti-immigration people want the Wall and e-verify. You need mandatory e-verify to lower the "draw" of the US, to handle the "arrived legally" problem and to force self-deportation.

    And yes, Republicans kowtow too much to business--but then fold to the Democrat/minoritarian "diversity" impositions upon business which are completely negative, a deadweight cost. And Trump is a pretty standard Republican in such kowtowing--persuadable against anything impacting "business".

    But e-verify alone is not enough. People can cheat. There is lots of under-the-table, off the books work. And criminality. And security issues. No one should be here who isn't supposed to be here.

    No, you absolutely positively need a hard, impenetrable border--control of access--then you build on top of that with a "hard" interior where it is difficult to find a job or a place to live as an illegal.

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star, @Prof. Woland, @Guy De Champlagne

    I’m not allowed to click the button for Agree / Disagree, etc. because I haven’t published enough comments. Fine. This is my reply:

    Agree. Thanks.

    Thoughtful observations on your part.

  271. @AnotherDad
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn’t build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones.
     

    Tip: pronouncing that people are stupid about something which apparently you have not even given the slightest thought toward... does not bathe yourself in glory. A general rule is you should actually analyze the problem a bit before pronouncing.

    Walls, fences, border barriers have been going up all over the world because ... they work!

    Without drilling down four points:

    1) Deterrence
    The calculus of people attempting something depends quite a bit on chance of success. If a young man in southern Mexico or Central America is contemplating the trip north, the difference between a scenario where it may take five or six attempts at scaling the fence with a gang and getting past la migra--say a 95% of ultimate success--and a scenario where the wall is essentially impenetrable (baring military attack) and you need thousands of dollars for a coyote caravan out in the desert somewhere or phony papers/cover story for the border--and still may fail!--is absolutely huge.

    The wall radically changes the probability and cost of success so radically changes the numbers of attempts.

    2) System success.
    The wall, radically improves the performance of the overall system. When the border is easily penetrated, then the border patrol has its hands full just doing catch and release of thousands every day. When the wall drops the numbers, then the border patrol guys are no long chasing down thousands of illegals crashing the border, and can respond to tougher more sophisticated coyote operations.

    The wall doesn't just make the physical border wall better, it makes the whole system a lot harder.

    3) Politically "imperivious"
    Trump builds the Wall ... and the wall is still there when a Democrat takes office. Border patrol budgets, staffing, detention policies, etc. etc.--all the bureaucratic stuff ("software")--that Trump put in place, the Parasite Party President (PPP) can wave away through his appointees and policy changes. But the physical wall ("hardware") is still there. The PPP can try and take it down, but that's much, much more politically fraught. It is openly announcing an open borders, illegals welcome position--no longer boiling the frog.

    Physical infrastructure survives--and ergo continues to do its job--through political transitions.

    4) Changed politics.
    Because they do not want the problem fixed, minoritarians (leftists, big-staters) attempt to wrap illegal immigration--and a lot of other straightforward, tractable problems--in a miasma of "complexity" and "intractability". "It's complex". "Multiple causes." "Simple solutions don't work." Complete and utter nonsense. Minoritarians/leftists/Democrats simply want you to think illegal immigration is unstoppable, so you'll tolerate it continuing.

    There are complex and difficult human problems. I have no idea how to save someone's marriage, or get some drug addict to turn his life around. Nor can i "cure" poverty with a snap of my fingers. (Leftists love taking on genuinely intractable problems.) The "cure" is more intelligent and conscientious people along with a robust economy--i.e. eugenics. But most political problems actually have fairly simple solutions ... it's just that those solutions are opposed by some constituency invested in the current order or simply in not fixing the problem.

    But if you actually start fixing a problem, you change the politics around it. Build the Wall--and make e-verify mandatory, jack up workplace raids and shut down offending employers, ramp up deportations--and suddenly the politics changes. People can see that illegal immigration is not intractable, but in fact can be dramatically reduced or completely stopped, pretty easily by different policies ... then they want those different policies!

    Politics--political demands and expectations--responds dramatically to success and failure, to perceptions of possibility.

    ~~~


    Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn’t want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.
     
    Here you are more on target. Intelligent anti-immigration people want the Wall and e-verify. You need mandatory e-verify to lower the "draw" of the US, to handle the "arrived legally" problem and to force self-deportation.

    And yes, Republicans kowtow too much to business--but then fold to the Democrat/minoritarian "diversity" impositions upon business which are completely negative, a deadweight cost. And Trump is a pretty standard Republican in such kowtowing--persuadable against anything impacting "business".

    But e-verify alone is not enough. People can cheat. There is lots of under-the-table, off the books work. And criminality. And security issues. No one should be here who isn't supposed to be here.

    No, you absolutely positively need a hard, impenetrable border--control of access--then you build on top of that with a "hard" interior where it is difficult to find a job or a place to live as an illegal.

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star, @Prof. Woland, @Guy De Champlagne

    In military terms, a wall is a “force multiplier”. It allows the defenders to use fewer people to cover the same area. Prisons and fortresses are the same.

    I saw a recent video of Mark Morgan who was at the border comparing the old and new walls. The comment of the BP subordinate that was accompanying him was that is takes 2 BP agents to do what it took 6-8 to do before. I am not sure how many BP agents they need per mile (there are between 17-19000 on the us southern border now) but figuring that it takes $100 k+ to hire and equip one agent per year, that saves a perhaps a half a million dollars a year per mile. Multiply that by 2,000 miles and we are saving $1,000,000,000 per year just on manpower and at a total cost of $20 billion for the whole fence, that is a low risk 5% return on investment.

    • Thanks: MEH 0910
  272. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Dieter Kief

    Dieter, I read Ann Coulter weekly on VDare.com, very rarely missing a column. She wrote a couple of years back that, due to her constant pestering for the President to do WTF he promised on immigration (especially just the one thing - the "wall" , not the be-all-to-end-all, as commenters have noted), Mr. Trump didn't listen to/read her anymore. It was more detailed than that, like he blocked her on twitter or didn't "LIKE" her or some such "tech" nonsense.

    I assume that has changed, not based on the debate, as per your comment, but just because President Trump changes his mind like a race car changes tires.

    I think Ann Coulter has had a VERY GOOD effect in the long run of keeping Trump focused, sometimes for 3 minutes at a time, on the immigration issue.

    The chain of knowledge goes like this. VDare to Ann Coulter to Trump. It was very specific with Miss Coulter taking quite a bit from VDare for her Adios, America book, which Trump is said to have read(?)

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    The chain of knowledge goes like this. VDare to Ann Coulter to Trump. It was very specific with Miss Coulter taking quite a bit from VDare for her Adios, America book, which Trump is said to have read(?)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/08/03/did-ann-coulters-new-book-inspire-donald-trumps-mexican-rapists-comment/

    Trump’s confidence may have been bolstered by a new book from bestselling conservative firebrand Ann Coulter. In “Adios, America: The Left’s Plan to Turn Our Country Into a Third World Hellhole,” Coulter devotes three chapters — and three “Spot the Immigrant!” case studies — to recounting cases of rape and sexual assault involving undocumented immigrants, many of them from Mexico and throughout Central America. “America is just bringing in a lot of rapists,” she warns.

    The book, which has earned a spot on both the New York Times and Washington Post nonfiction bestseller lists, was published June 1, more than two weeks ahead of Trump’s announcement. Via e-mail, Coulter told me that Trump had “asked for, and received, an advance copy of my book, and he told me. . . that he’s read the book cover to cover.” She emphasized that Trump has “been talking about immigration for years. . . he didn’t get his ideas from me. He had them. My book supports his ideas.”

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  273. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dan Hayes

    Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians,... have nothing about gay stuff, either pro or con. They don't care.
    Only Islam is against- and it is growing. But, its growth is cancerous.

    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.

    No way.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Cido, @James O'Meara, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Good to remind people that their “Christian morality” is Abrahamic, not universal. It’s like their trick of convincing the goyim (Cyrus) that YHVH was the goyim’s universal, one God, rather than their tribal fetish (see L. Guyot’s articles here).

    Conversely, Hebrew homo-hate is just another manifestation of their desire to isolate themselves from the rest of the world — for which the Romans coined the term “misanthropy”. The OT stuff (Leviticus) is aimed at Canaanite temple prostitution, the NT stuff (Romans) is aimed at assimilation with the Hellenistic world. (Paul dropped the circumcision requirement to make the rest palatable in his mission to the goyim).

    Bannon and others on the Right talking about “Traditionalism” or the Middle Ages (E M Jones) are useful idiots for Islam. Funny how the great figures of Traditionalism (Guenon, Schuon, Burkhardt, Lings, etc.) all became Moslems. (Evola limited himself to denouncing Christianity for not being as “masculine” as Islam; the spiritual progenitor of the women holding “Welcome Immigrants” signs). Nothing to see here.

    “Hook, Line, & Sinker: Steve Bannon & the Usual Suspects”
    https://counter-currents.com/2020/10/hook-line-and-sinker/

    • Replies: @BB753
    @James O'Meara

    If you seek Traditionalism, you won't find it in Roman Catholicism, itself a modernist offshoot of Traditional, that is, Orthodox Catholicism. Please don't confuse the authentic faith, that of the Orthodox Church, whose dogma remains virtually unchanged since the second Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 787 AD, with the heresies of Rome and later of Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, etc

    Replies: @HA

  274. @Anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    https://youtu.be/Y6ljFaKRTrI

    Not sure how it relates, but let's play it again.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Isn’t it great? It’s one of the most perfectly realized things in the past twenty years.

    In this vast charred and destroyed cultural wasteland, there are still a few bright spots: Portal, Adventure Time, Disney’s Frozen, Gravity, Arrival, the Aikido episode (Lenny James vs. the sublime John Carroll Lynch) of The Walking Dead.

    Reasons to be cheerful.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @BB753
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Actually, I find it depressing that grown men play video games and enjoy their crappy music. Maybe I'm just an old fart or Western civilization is definitively over.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  275. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jim Don Bob

    Here's what I recollect, Sir Jim Don:

    I believe commenter Jim Hanson either took to heart what I was trying to convince him of (that criticism does not equal non-support) or it was his job as some official involved in the immigration apparatus on some level that got him pretty disappointed in President Trump himself. He mellowed out on all that continual scolding of anyone who said anything about Trump's blowing of campaign promises.

    In more direct answer to your question, I recall he asked Mr. Unz to take off his comments, which were indeed gone, and then he started writing as Jim Henson after a while. Yeah, I like the guy, and he was pretty funny, but I don't like not being able to get a simple point into someone's head for like, 6 months.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

    I believe commenter Jim Hanson either took to heart what I was trying to convince him of (that criticism does not equal non-support) or it was his job as some official involved in the immigration apparatus on some level that got him pretty disappointed in President Trump himself.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/no-5bn-for-wall-but-11bn-for-mesoamerica/#comment-2706462
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/no-5bn-for-wall-but-11bn-for-mesoamerica/#comment-2706936
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/no-5bn-for-wall-but-11bn-for-mesoamerica/#comment-2709554

  276. @Ben tillman
    @Guy De Champlagne

    That last paragraph is a strong candidate for stupidest paragraph ever posted to this blog.

    Replies: @BenKenobi

    Something changed with that screen name is the past couple weeks. The account never stood out to me then all of a sudden it was like a switch had been flipped and it started posting C*vinus-esque “you are being replaced and what are you gonna do about it loser” rhetoric.

    A sleeper replicant. Another failed Voight-Kampff test, I suppose.

  277. @PhysicistDave
    @AnotherDad

    AnotherDad wrote:


    The moderator–a black girl!–
     
    She's actually half black (the "one-drop rule" is stupid).

    And she was not nearly as hostile to Trump, or as just plain stupid, as Chris Wallace.

    Yeah, she is biased towards the Dems. But by and large she actually let Trump speak.

    And she actually asked one question -- about the nation-wide $15/hr. minimum wage -- that put Biden is a bad light. And she did raise the Hunter laptop corruption issue, even if she devoted less attention to it than we might have liked (her colleagues are not going to be happy that she mentioned it at all).

    If most of the MSM were only as biased as Kristen Welker, we might actually have a free press.

    Besides, I could tolerate Welker as a next-door neighbor. If Chris Wallace or Jeff Toobin or Anderson Cooper or Don Lemon were my next-door neighbor, I'd be looking for a new neighborhood.

    Replies: @Known Fact, @ic1000

    Mrs. ic1000 had the debate on in the next room, and I gave the ninety minutes a half-attentive listen while working at the computer. My impressions on the audio:

    Trump came across as a politician of some stature. He could usually complete the thoughts he started with. The (enforced) lack of interruptions made him seem less petulant.

    Much the same with Biden. He didn’t seem agile or particularly bright, but he didn’t project senility.

    On content, Trump had a few killer points he could make (e.g. see AnotherDad’s comment, supra), and a slew of minor or inside-baseball things to say. He went for quantity over quality. Trump seems uncoachable, nobody’s gonna tell me what to say.

    Biden had a weak hand but played it well, he remembered the snappy comebacks he had been prepped with.

    Trump surprised me with the way he handled Race and LAw & Order. He went full anti-iSteve, claiming with pride that he’s the one who panders most to black concerns, and is beloved by them as a result. More black convicts released than under any other administration, and so on. Nationwide, how many voters were moved to switch their vote to Trump because he’s the Real Democrat. Two?

    At this point, most ‘Undecideds’ are low-information voters, unlikely to have given much thought to issues. For that cohort, I think this was a big Biden win. He kept his act together, his only unforced error was denouncing the oil industry. With media help, he should be able to overcome that.

  278. @Escher
    @Dan Hayes

    Is this true?

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dan Hayes

    Remains to be seen if this story (Hunter perversion) has any legs on it!

  279. @Whiskey
    I don't think debates move people one way or the other.

    Moreover, I think most White voters prefer Biden. I said most -- the professional middle and upper classes. They love BLM, love the riots, gives them a frisson of fear like a rollercoaster ride. They love love love Black people and particularly Black thugs. They hate hate hate White men, for a variety of reasons, mostly due to lack of thuggery dominance.

    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go! 3. Get rid of fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine! 4. You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster. 5. More immigration and open borders, hope you proles enjoy your new Somali neighbors while we live in security buildings you scum!

    That is the Democratic Party in a nutshell. Champagne Communists.

    The wild card is the Military. It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can. The Pentagon has to be completely paranoid that Biden or President Harris will simply surrender and blame THEM. Also AOC has let the cat out of the bag, demanding the end to the US Military to spend on ... wait for it ... wait for it ... BLACK PEOPLE!

    So given the weakness of the Biden team, and the wokeness of Harris and her Silicon Valley team, it looks like their is a big split in the ruling oligarchy about to break out. Those Hunter Biden crack pipe pics got published for a reason, and it wasn't Donald Trump. The rumors about Hunter screwing his 14 year old niece are also out there for a reason. It is likely dawning on the Joint Chiefs that they and their whole way of life is toast if Biden wins. Their retirement plan will go from big shot lobbyist to Wal Mart Greeter.

    Hate Whitey is all well and good when the only enemy is a bunch of Muslims in sand filled hellholes, when its a serious major industrial power with most of the World's manufacturing capacity, that's another thing. Tawain like Black people in America was a question that could not be kicked down the road forever. Looks like both are coming to a head: A. Will China finally invade Taiwan and kick off another Pacific War over who rules the Pacific, and B. Are Black people America's natural ruling class and nobility with Whites peasant untouchables?

    Lets hope for War with China. We can't afford any more general peace.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @Neoconned, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Fwiw i don’t think the American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan. I think we’ll hiss at them but nobody is willing to spill any American blood to defend Formosa and Chiangs semi fascist legacy.

    That being said we are heading to a financial reckoning….and fast. By 2030 the SS pay ratio will be 2.1 people paying in for 1 pulling out. I make $1100 every OTHER WEEK. In the other 2 weeks from my other job i make $150 per week.

    Who are they going to tax to finance the Boomers retirement and Cadillac health care plans. I work 60 hrs a week & have NO INSURANCE. Not a catastrophic plan only….NO INSURANCE.

    With 70 million Boomers about to retire which orange are you going to look to juice?

    Me? I after bills have in a good month $1k to play with. That includes grocery expenses….

    So I’m an orange that’s dry pulp and a used husk….

    Tjen there’s that big fat juicy orange that is the Pentagon budget(what? 500 billion plus a year? For what? For jets and tanks that will never be used?)

    And then there are the various ABC spook agency budgets in the tens or hundreds of billions that can be juiced…..nice fat juicy plums to be juiced to pay for the gibs and the Medicare & the Social Security for all those broke or near broke Boomers….

    Our military will die not by Chinese missiles but by budget self emaciation…..if there is a coup in the coming years & a junta or “constitutional committee” ruling this “country” i wouldn’t be shocked or surprised…..

    Sure the Fed can print up some of that but inflation will kick in at some point….

    The local restaurants i eat at ive noticed have had 20 to 50% price hikes JUST IN THE LAST YEAR…..inflation has already started….Pat Buchanan warned about all this years ago in his books…..nobody paid attention. Reality is a mean teacher…..

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Neoconned

    Indeed, if anything, Taiwan joining Mainland China is a done deal and America long caved in on the issue.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    , @Nico
    @Neoconned


    Fwiw i don’t think the American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan.
     
    Maybe not, but there are good reasons for China to hold off. China could get away with Uyghurs in prison camps without any direct trade consequences; an invasion of Taiwan would be slightly more complicated. Even with human rights culture in its senile stage, an invasion of Taiwan would sound off alarms in Japan, Australia, Indonesia and any number of smaller Southeast Pacific island nations. Consequences would be inevitable and would be felt, though they might not be particularly severe.

    Less obviously, but perhaps more importantly, successful capture of Taiwan is not a given if China does invade. The island's geography, heavily urban population and impressive (relative to its size) military infrastructure make it a massive headache to conquer. This kind of blow would be tantamount to a Great Leap Backward both for China's prestige and for the perennity of the Communist Party's grip on the mainland.

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Neoconned


    he American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan. I think we’ll hiss at them but nobody is willing to spill any American blood to defend Formosa
     
    If the US doesn't fight to defend Taiwan, it's lost dominance and allies in Asia. If it won't/can't fight for one of its closest allies when China is weaker, it obviously won't have the will, money, or ability to fight China in the future when it's stronger. There are only two options for the US:
    - fight to keep the PRC out of Taiwan
    -cede leadership of Asia, including influence over major allies Japan and SK and over hugely populous future economic players India and Indonesia and kiss whatever Anglosphere ties we still have left with Australia and Singapore goodbye.
  280. @John Johnson
    I thought Trump did well and overall took the debate. He did a good job of pointing out that Biden is a career politician and has done little to solve the problems he claims to care about.

    Trump didn't need to beat Biden, he just needed to stay composed and undermine Biden on credibility. In that regard he did well.

    Hunter's laptop continues to look worse but I'm not sure how much it matters at this point. Giuliani should have released it earlier.

    I'm also not liking the numbers on suburban White women and retired Whites.

    I think the question is how much of the silent majority will vote in this one. Or silent plurality I suppose.

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    I’m also not liking the numbers on suburban White women

    If Trump loses, the blame should be laid directly at the feet of this demo.

    Here’s the thing about vast swaths of middle to upper-middle class suburban white women with some college/college degree:

    They graduated from middle school, but never really left it.

    Trump embodies everything they THINK they should HATE about men: philanderer, braggart, always with the prettiest girl, never with them, or pumping and dumping them. If someone like him had seriously strolled into their lives, with the plane, the fabulous houses and the gold faucets, they would have opened their legs wider than the Grand Canyon.

    Deep down in the hind brain they know it, and the contradictions are simply too much to bear. So they’ll mail in their ballot for the unaccomplished mediocre grifting senile hair sniffer because all the girls know the other guy is a pig.

    Policies, economics, accomplishments — those pale in comparison to the inner rage they feel.

    They are leading with their ovaries, and it may portend catastrophe.

    • Agree: ben tillman, Neoconned
    • LOL: BB753
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    All what you - consider - is not that hard to grasp - I guess you'd agree on that. And it is nothing to complain about but simply to - master. If you don't know how to plough such easy fields - how do you want to lead a country (=be a politician)?

    , @Anonymous
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    If Trump was implementing his agenda, I'd be right there with you telling those women to grow up. But he's not. He's running on the strength of the Trump personality cult, and if that's not enough, he is the one who is to blame.

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    , @Neoconned
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    So I'm more than likely oversimplifying this......but basically you're saying Whiskey is right.....

  281. @Whiskey
    I don't think debates move people one way or the other.

    Moreover, I think most White voters prefer Biden. I said most -- the professional middle and upper classes. They love BLM, love the riots, gives them a frisson of fear like a rollercoaster ride. They love love love Black people and particularly Black thugs. They hate hate hate White men, for a variety of reasons, mostly due to lack of thuggery dominance.

    I did not watch the debates but by all accounts, Biden seems to have hit the high points that the professional White middle and upper urban classes love: 1. America was never great, and sucks! 2. Western civilization sucks and has to go! 3. Get rid of fossil fuels and the internal combustion engine! 4. You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster. 5. More immigration and open borders, hope you proles enjoy your new Somali neighbors while we live in security buildings you scum!

    That is the Democratic Party in a nutshell. Champagne Communists.

    The wild card is the Military. It looks like War with China is on. China seems intent on invading Taiwan. In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can. The Pentagon has to be completely paranoid that Biden or President Harris will simply surrender and blame THEM. Also AOC has let the cat out of the bag, demanding the end to the US Military to spend on ... wait for it ... wait for it ... BLACK PEOPLE!

    So given the weakness of the Biden team, and the wokeness of Harris and her Silicon Valley team, it looks like their is a big split in the ruling oligarchy about to break out. Those Hunter Biden crack pipe pics got published for a reason, and it wasn't Donald Trump. The rumors about Hunter screwing his 14 year old niece are also out there for a reason. It is likely dawning on the Joint Chiefs that they and their whole way of life is toast if Biden wins. Their retirement plan will go from big shot lobbyist to Wal Mart Greeter.

    Hate Whitey is all well and good when the only enemy is a bunch of Muslims in sand filled hellholes, when its a serious major industrial power with most of the World's manufacturing capacity, that's another thing. Tawain like Black people in America was a question that could not be kicked down the road forever. Looks like both are coming to a head: A. Will China finally invade Taiwan and kick off another Pacific War over who rules the Pacific, and B. Are Black people America's natural ruling class and nobility with Whites peasant untouchables?

    Lets hope for War with China. We can't afford any more general peace.

    Replies: @PhysicistDave, @Peter D. Bredon, @James O'Meara, @Neoconned, @The Wild Geese Howard

    You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster.

    Roach paste on soy wafers my dude, roach paste on soy wafers.

    Also, proles sleeping in tubes, mandatory prole-vax, and emotion-suppresing meds, just like THX-1138.

    Lets hope for War with China. We can’t afford any more general peace.

    Careful.

    Our troops are fat, Woke numales and our equipment is overpriced, overcomplicated, fragile junk.

    A real fight with Russia or China would not be pretty.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Einstein was quoted as saying "i do not know what WW3 will be fought with but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones....."

    Any war against Xi or Putin will go WMD and then WE ALL are dead.

    MAD, and all that Cold War stuff.....

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  282. @Allen
    @Dieter Kief

    Coulter's take on Trump's performance seems pretty positive:

    "I'm amazed at Trump's mastery of the subjects, amazed at how ridiculously polite he was, amazed at how good he was. Biden is a slurring dementia patient."

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1319468458418053124

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dieter Kief, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Stan Adams

    Trump is perfectly capable of moderating his personality, tenor, tone, and body language as needed.

    I think he did well to tone it down last night.

    The Left expected the muting and laptop blackout would reveal a red-faced, foaming at the mouth bully they could spend the weekend painting as a dangerous lunatic unfit to hold the launch codes.

    Trump completely denied them that opportunity.

  283. @Neoconned
    @Whiskey

    Fwiw i don't think the American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan. I think we'll hiss at them but nobody is willing to spill any American blood to defend Formosa and Chiangs semi fascist legacy.

    That being said we are heading to a financial reckoning....and fast. By 2030 the SS pay ratio will be 2.1 people paying in for 1 pulling out. I make $1100 every OTHER WEEK. In the other 2 weeks from my other job i make $150 per week.

    Who are they going to tax to finance the Boomers retirement and Cadillac health care plans. I work 60 hrs a week & have NO INSURANCE. Not a catastrophic plan only....NO INSURANCE.

    With 70 million Boomers about to retire which orange are you going to look to juice?

    Me? I after bills have in a good month $1k to play with. That includes grocery expenses....

    So I'm an orange that's dry pulp and a used husk....

    Tjen there's that big fat juicy orange that is the Pentagon budget(what? 500 billion plus a year? For what? For jets and tanks that will never be used?)

    And then there are the various ABC spook agency budgets in the tens or hundreds of billions that can be juiced.....nice fat juicy plums to be juiced to pay for the gibs and the Medicare & the Social Security for all those broke or near broke Boomers....

    Our military will die not by Chinese missiles but by budget self emaciation.....if there is a coup in the coming years & a junta or "constitutional committee" ruling this "country" i wouldn't be shocked or surprised.....

    Sure the Fed can print up some of that but inflation will kick in at some point....

    The local restaurants i eat at ive noticed have had 20 to 50% price hikes JUST IN THE LAST YEAR.....inflation has already started....Pat Buchanan warned about all this years ago in his books.....nobody paid attention. Reality is a mean teacher.....

    Replies: @BB753, @Nico, @Chrisnonymous

    Indeed, if anything, Taiwan joining Mainland China is a done deal and America long caved in on the issue.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @BB753

    Maybe not.

    https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=45952

    This guy has a bunch of war videos and he says no: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z67BZ1T0ehU

  284. @res
    @BB753


    California won’t stop until they reach the GINI Coefficent of India. Every plutocharch’s dream!
     
    What numbers do you see? According to the World Bank the US has had a higher GINI index than India for decades.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/gini-index
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/india/indicator/SI.POV.GINI

    For more perspective, here is an ordered list by country.
    https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/rankings

    And here are the states.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gini_coefficient

    NY is the truly ridiculous outlier among the states. And then there is DC...

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Reg Cæsar, @BB753

    Just give them time! It will happen, eventually.

  285. @Bardon Kaldian
    @Dan Hayes

    Buddhists, Hindus, Confucians,... have nothing about gay stuff, either pro or con. They don't care.
    Only Islam is against- and it is growing. But, its growth is cancerous.

    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.

    No way.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @Cido, @James O'Meara, @The Wild Geese Howard

    Eh, Wokeism has only been able to thrive for a few decades in post-industrial, post-Christian societies rife with material and temporal excess.

    Islam has thriving in some of the most grinding, penurious conditions for centuries.

    Long-term, I know who my money’s on.

  286. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Anonymous

    Isn't it great? It's one of the most perfectly realized things in the past twenty years.

    In this vast charred and destroyed cultural wasteland, there are still a few bright spots: Portal, Adventure Time, Disney's Frozen, Gravity, Arrival, the Aikido episode (Lenny James vs. the sublime John Carroll Lynch) of The Walking Dead.

    Reasons to be cheerful.

    Replies: @BB753

    Actually, I find it depressing that grown men play video games and enjoy their crappy music. Maybe I’m just an old fart or Western civilization is definitively over.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @BB753

    Look at me complaining
    While there's science to do.
    When I look outside
    It makes me G.L.A.D. I'm not you.

    I've experiments to run,
    There is research to be done
    On the people who are
    Still alive.

    Replies: @BB753

  287. @petit bourgeois
    @Jim Don Bob

    LVOV, named after a city in Poland where it's made. I buy it by the case at $17.99 per 1.75 litre bottle. A real bargain. Hi-Time Wine Cellars in Costa Mesa will ship it just about anywhere in the lower 48.

    https://www.hitimewine.net/lvov-polish-vodka-1-75-i-111584.html

    Also, you may want to try a good barley vodka from Finland, Koskenkorva:

    https://www.hitimewine.net/koskenkorva-vodka-750-i-112643.html

    I keep a bottle in my freezer for any pandemic emergencies.

    Replies: @Jack D

    Lvov isn’t in Poland anymore. Since the end of WWII, the city is now in Ukraine and is called Lviv. (Before WWI it was called Lemberg and was part of Austria-Hungary). Lvov vodka is made somewhere in Poland from what I gather but not in the former Lvov.

    Stolichnaya, the most famous “Russian” vodka is nowadays made in Latvia so go figure. Since vodka is by definition tasteless (especially if you mix it with anything), any premium that you pay for top shelf vodka is paying for the advertising and the image. The name and the image often has little to do with what is in the bottle.

    • Replies: @petit bourgeois
    @Jack D

    Thanks Jack. I had no idea of the deceptive advertising on the bottle. I've gone through seven cases of the stuff (73.5 litres) in the past six months, and the bottle clearly says "Polish potato vodka." On the back of every bottle there is a "map" showing the location of the city of Lvov within the borders of Poland.

    Who knew I was drinking irredentist vodka? Maybe the Polacks will get the city back someday.

    I agree that it's essentially ethanol, and not worth paying for any "premium." That's why I like it. It's clean, cheap and there's no hangover. In my experience, the Polacks make the best potato vodka, with the Swedes coming in a close second.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  288. @ATBOTL
    The problem is Trump. He is a narcissistic con artist. He betrayed his base by selling out on immigration. He makes everything about himself. But the issues that got Trump elected in 2016 aren't going away. In this decade, we need to build a real nationalist political party to destroy the GOP.

    After being elected, Trump surrounded himself with swamp creatures. He has almost no one in in has administration who is even remotely ideologically in tune with his voters. He could have easily hired such people, he chose to hire people on the opposite side of the issues. Everything Trump says and does is tone deaf. Trump can't keep nationalism and boomer style conservatism straight. He panders to non-whites in the most over the top, embarrassing way. The sooner Trump is out of politics, the better for real nationalism.

    Replies: @Joseph Doaks

    “The sooner Trump is out of politics, the better for real nationalism.”

    Maybe so, but who is there to succeed him?

  289. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Allen

    Thanks for posting this. I pay no attention to Twitter, Facebook, et al., so otherwise I'd not have seen Coulter's take. The woman has an excellent grasp of reality. That she feels this way is comforting if not totally reassuring. The outcome of this Presidential election is up for grabs. I try not to think about it precisely because it is both so consequential and so uncertain.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief

    The woman has an excellent grasp of reality. That she feels this way is comforting if not totally reassuring.

    Agree. She is really good at that. A prime noticer of the social and emotional aspects of politics. At times I felt the same fascination of her – live – – performances – like at the races or in a circus. she is a virtuoso.

    (And a bit freaky too).

  290. @peterike
    @pepperinmono


    Biden tried to soften it but it was too late
    Prolly lost PA, THE state for Dems

     

    Biden will lose PA, until he wins it several days after election night when all the "mail-in" ballots are counted. The comprised and worthless Justice Roberts has already made sure of that. The fix is in.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just unanimously ruled that anyone may cast any ballot(s) he gets his hands on as long as he puts a mark of some sort on the signature line.

    • Replies: @Rob McX
    @ben tillman

    That is bizarre. I presume this was in some way an unintended outcome of the ruling.

    Replies: @ben tillman

  291. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @John Johnson


    I’m also not liking the numbers on suburban White women

     

    If Trump loses, the blame should be laid directly at the feet of this demo.

    Here's the thing about vast swaths of middle to upper-middle class suburban white women with some college/college degree:

    They graduated from middle school, but never really left it.

    Trump embodies everything they THINK they should HATE about men: philanderer, braggart, always with the prettiest girl, never with them, or pumping and dumping them. If someone like him had seriously strolled into their lives, with the plane, the fabulous houses and the gold faucets, they would have opened their legs wider than the Grand Canyon.

    Deep down in the hind brain they know it, and the contradictions are simply too much to bear. So they'll mail in their ballot for the unaccomplished mediocre grifting senile hair sniffer because all the girls know the other guy is a pig.

    Policies, economics, accomplishments -- those pale in comparison to the inner rage they feel.

    They are leading with their ovaries, and it may portend catastrophe.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Anonymous, @Neoconned

    All what you – consider – is not that hard to grasp – I guess you’d agree on that. And it is nothing to complain about but simply to – master. If you don’t know how to plough such easy fields – how do you want to lead a country (=be a politician)?

  292. @Cido
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.
     
    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better, if we are motivated to know the truth objectively.
    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal. But science doesn't say that.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams, @HA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Christianity doesn’t say all people are equal, it says we are all made in God’s image and all fully deserving of human dignity. Christianity has always been hierarchical.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  293. @Mr McKenna
    America's Future, Here Today


    Georgia State Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick

    Did @realDonaldTrump just say 545 kids they can't find their parents for came over through "cartels and coyotes"?! How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?! Lord-----stop talking. #FinalDebate
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
     


    I don't have time for Netflix. Out here trying to stop @realDonaldTrump from continuing to kill Americans
    — Dar'shun Kendrick (@DarshunKendrick) October 23, 2020
     
    https://conservativefighters.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Untitled-8-1000x600.jpg

    Previously on the Dar’shun Kendrick Show:
    https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=85576

    Replies: @Jus' Sayin'..., @Clyde

    Looking at that photo of Georgia Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick, I thought that I had just landed in Hell. Hell the way Sam Kinison would scream this word.

    • Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder
    @Clyde

    Don't you just love what she's done with her hair, though?

  294. The only one of these debates I can recall watching was the Bush-Clinton one in ’92, and Bush also glanced at his watch and got much flak for it from media commentators. It was probably an unconscious movement, the way a guy might absent-mindedly touch his earlobe or straighten his tie.

  295. @ben tillman
    @peterike

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court just unanimously ruled that anyone may cast any ballot(s) he gets his hands on as long as he puts a mark of some sort on the signature line.

    Replies: @Rob McX

    That is bizarre. I presume this was in some way an unintended outcome of the ruling.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @Rob McX

    The court ruled that ballots can't be disqualified because the signature on the ballot doesn't match the one one file. Surely, the court must have intended the immediately foreseeable result I noted.

    Replies: @Corn

  296. @Neoconned
    @Whiskey

    Fwiw i don't think the American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan. I think we'll hiss at them but nobody is willing to spill any American blood to defend Formosa and Chiangs semi fascist legacy.

    That being said we are heading to a financial reckoning....and fast. By 2030 the SS pay ratio will be 2.1 people paying in for 1 pulling out. I make $1100 every OTHER WEEK. In the other 2 weeks from my other job i make $150 per week.

    Who are they going to tax to finance the Boomers retirement and Cadillac health care plans. I work 60 hrs a week & have NO INSURANCE. Not a catastrophic plan only....NO INSURANCE.

    With 70 million Boomers about to retire which orange are you going to look to juice?

    Me? I after bills have in a good month $1k to play with. That includes grocery expenses....

    So I'm an orange that's dry pulp and a used husk....

    Tjen there's that big fat juicy orange that is the Pentagon budget(what? 500 billion plus a year? For what? For jets and tanks that will never be used?)

    And then there are the various ABC spook agency budgets in the tens or hundreds of billions that can be juiced.....nice fat juicy plums to be juiced to pay for the gibs and the Medicare & the Social Security for all those broke or near broke Boomers....

    Our military will die not by Chinese missiles but by budget self emaciation.....if there is a coup in the coming years & a junta or "constitutional committee" ruling this "country" i wouldn't be shocked or surprised.....

    Sure the Fed can print up some of that but inflation will kick in at some point....

    The local restaurants i eat at ive noticed have had 20 to 50% price hikes JUST IN THE LAST YEAR.....inflation has already started....Pat Buchanan warned about all this years ago in his books.....nobody paid attention. Reality is a mean teacher.....

    Replies: @BB753, @Nico, @Chrisnonymous

    Fwiw i don’t think the American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan.

    Maybe not, but there are good reasons for China to hold off. China could get away with Uyghurs in prison camps without any direct trade consequences; an invasion of Taiwan would be slightly more complicated. Even with human rights culture in its senile stage, an invasion of Taiwan would sound off alarms in Japan, Australia, Indonesia and any number of smaller Southeast Pacific island nations. Consequences would be inevitable and would be felt, though they might not be particularly severe.

    Less obviously, but perhaps more importantly, successful capture of Taiwan is not a given if China does invade. The island’s geography, heavily urban population and impressive (relative to its size) military infrastructure make it a massive headache to conquer. This kind of blow would be tantamount to a Great Leap Backward both for China’s prestige and for the perennity of the Communist Party’s grip on the mainland.

  297. @Allen
    @Dieter Kief

    Coulter's take on Trump's performance seems pretty positive:

    "I'm amazed at Trump's mastery of the subjects, amazed at how ridiculously polite he was, amazed at how good he was. Biden is a slurring dementia patient."

    https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1319468458418053124

    Replies: @hhsiii, @Jus' Sayin'..., @Dieter Kief, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Stan Adams

    He looked – dare I say it? – presidential.

    In both debates, Biden started out fairly strong but got shakier as time went along. The pep pills wear off after an hour or so.

    • Agree: L. Guapo
  298. @Cido
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.
     
    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better, if we are motivated to know the truth objectively.
    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal. But science doesn't say that.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams, @HA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?

    Only the fittest survive. That’s one way to render one’s progeny unfit. Darwin is the only Darwinist who actually bred.

  299. Trump’s finest moment came when he called out the IRS for mistreating him.

    At that moment, I thought he might go completely off-script and announce that he was going to pardon Kushner, Schiff, Leona, Snipes, Rose, and who knows how many thousands of other Americans, living or dead, who have gotten the same treatment.

    Biden, the moderator, most of the audience, and millions of viewers at home would have been left stunned.

    “Joe, you can defend the IRS, and all your other government buddies, all you want. I’m going to stop it!”

    It would have been the greatest moment in debate history.

  300. @Cido
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.
     
    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better, if we are motivated to know the truth objectively.
    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal. But science doesn't say that.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams, @HA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    True atheism is nihilism. Nothing is right and nothing is wrong.

    Most self-professed “atheists” subscribe to various forms of mutilated Christianity. They believe in religious concepts such as good and evil. If you push hard enough, you’ll find that most of them believe in the will of the universe or in some other nebulous God-like concept.

    [MORE]

    Recently I had a conversation with a militant “atheist” about the election. He described Trump as “evil”:

    “Why is Trump evil?” I asked.

    “He’s a white supremacist.”

    “Why is white supremacy bad?”

    “Uh … slavery? The Holocaust?”

    “Why is slavery bad?”

    “What do you mean, why is slavery bad?”

    “Tell me why slavery is bad.”

    “You can’t enslave another person!”

    “Why?”

    “Because you can’t!”

    “Why?”

    “Because it’s evil!”

    “Why is it evil?”

    “Because it is!”

    “What does evil mean?”

    Evil is making other people suffer.”

    “Why is it wrong to make other people suffer?”

    “What do you mean, ‘why is it wrong?’ It’s wrong! Everyone knows that!”

    “Why?”

    “Because it’s wrong! Don’t you care about other people?”

    “No. Why should I care?”

    “Because if you don’t care about their suffering, then they don’t have to care about yours.”

    “Why should other people care about my suffering?”

    “Don’t you want them to?”

    “What I want is irrelevant. I don’t care about anyone and I don’t expect anyone to care about me. Why is that bad?”

    “Well, you should care. We have to help each other.”

    “Why should ‘we’ have to help each other?”

    “It’s the human thing to do.”

    “Why should I do the human thing? Why can’t I do whatever I want?”

    “You can’t. You have to behave like a civilized human being.”

    “Why?”

    “Because maintaining civilization requires a certain amount of cooperation.”

    “Why should I care about maintaining civilization?”

    “Never mind.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stan Adams

    I am an atheist if the word "atheist" means what people customarily use it for. By your redefinition, I'm indeed not an atheist.

    Although most every culture has had some kind of supernatural belief system, moralizing Gods are a relatively late invention. Yet "good" and "evil" existed before them. If your atheist friend was honest, he'd admit that the answer is "somebody told me to." Which isn't markedly inferior to answering "somebody told me to, but that entity is a supernatural being."

    Replies: @Stan Adams

  301. @Jack D
    @petit bourgeois

    Lvov isn't in Poland anymore. Since the end of WWII, the city is now in Ukraine and is called Lviv. (Before WWI it was called Lemberg and was part of Austria-Hungary). Lvov vodka is made somewhere in Poland from what I gather but not in the former Lvov.

    Stolichnaya, the most famous "Russian" vodka is nowadays made in Latvia so go figure. Since vodka is by definition tasteless (especially if you mix it with anything), any premium that you pay for top shelf vodka is paying for the advertising and the image. The name and the image often has little to do with what is in the bottle.

    Replies: @petit bourgeois

    Thanks Jack. I had no idea of the deceptive advertising on the bottle. I’ve gone through seven cases of the stuff (73.5 litres) in the past six months, and the bottle clearly says “Polish potato vodka.” On the back of every bottle there is a “map” showing the location of the city of Lvov within the borders of Poland.

    Who knew I was drinking irredentist vodka? Maybe the Polacks will get the city back someday.

    I agree that it’s essentially ethanol, and not worth paying for any “premium.” That’s why I like it. It’s clean, cheap and there’s no hangover. In my experience, the Polacks make the best potato vodka, with the Swedes coming in a close second.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @petit bourgeois

    All vodka is grain neutral spirits. What differentiates one vodka from another is what the GNS is infused with afterwards.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbeNWE25ao4

  302. @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills
    @Allen

    “ Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage.”

    The horror! I hope your hands don’t have scars from clutching those pearls so tightly. God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @HA

    God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society.

    Gay “marriage” never had anything whatsoever to do with giving “two adults in love…a modicum of respect.”

    I mean, straight marriage never had anything to do with anything like that.

    Are you, by any chance, about twelve years old?

  303. @Clyde
    @Mr McKenna

    Looking at that photo of Georgia Rep. Dar’shun Kendrick, I thought that I had just landed in Hell. Hell the way Sam Kinison would scream this word.

    Replies: @Mike Pierson, Davenport Rector, Midfielder

    Don’t you just love what she’s done with her hair, though?

  304. @Single and Ready to Drop Red Pills
    @Allen

    “ Pope Francis made positive statements about civil unions for homosexual couples not gay marriage.”

    The horror! I hope your hands don’t have scars from clutching those pearls so tightly. God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @HA

    “The horror! I hope your hands don’t have scars from clutching those pearls so tightly. God forbid two adults in love have a modicum of respect from society.”

    You’re kidding, right? How about you become a baker and then choose not to decorate a cake the next time two of those adults come offering you their custom?

    I tell you, THAT is when the real horror-shrieking and pearl-clutching will commence. You really think that when it comes to dispensing drama, it is the straight people who have the advantage?

  305. @Neoconned
    @Whiskey

    Fwiw i don't think the American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan. I think we'll hiss at them but nobody is willing to spill any American blood to defend Formosa and Chiangs semi fascist legacy.

    That being said we are heading to a financial reckoning....and fast. By 2030 the SS pay ratio will be 2.1 people paying in for 1 pulling out. I make $1100 every OTHER WEEK. In the other 2 weeks from my other job i make $150 per week.

    Who are they going to tax to finance the Boomers retirement and Cadillac health care plans. I work 60 hrs a week & have NO INSURANCE. Not a catastrophic plan only....NO INSURANCE.

    With 70 million Boomers about to retire which orange are you going to look to juice?

    Me? I after bills have in a good month $1k to play with. That includes grocery expenses....

    So I'm an orange that's dry pulp and a used husk....

    Tjen there's that big fat juicy orange that is the Pentagon budget(what? 500 billion plus a year? For what? For jets and tanks that will never be used?)

    And then there are the various ABC spook agency budgets in the tens or hundreds of billions that can be juiced.....nice fat juicy plums to be juiced to pay for the gibs and the Medicare & the Social Security for all those broke or near broke Boomers....

    Our military will die not by Chinese missiles but by budget self emaciation.....if there is a coup in the coming years & a junta or "constitutional committee" ruling this "country" i wouldn't be shocked or surprised.....

    Sure the Fed can print up some of that but inflation will kick in at some point....

    The local restaurants i eat at ive noticed have had 20 to 50% price hikes JUST IN THE LAST YEAR.....inflation has already started....Pat Buchanan warned about all this years ago in his books.....nobody paid attention. Reality is a mean teacher.....

    Replies: @BB753, @Nico, @Chrisnonymous

    he American people or Congress have the nerve or money(which we borrow from China, at interest) to defend the KMT oligarchy that rules Taiwan. I think we’ll hiss at them but nobody is willing to spill any American blood to defend Formosa

    If the US doesn’t fight to defend Taiwan, it’s lost dominance and allies in Asia. If it won’t/can’t fight for one of its closest allies when China is weaker, it obviously won’t have the will, money, or ability to fight China in the future when it’s stronger. There are only two options for the US:
    – fight to keep the PRC out of Taiwan
    -cede leadership of Asia, including influence over major allies Japan and SK and over hugely populous future economic players India and Indonesia and kiss whatever Anglosphere ties we still have left with Australia and Singapore goodbye.

    • Agree: utu
  306. @Peter D. Bredon
    @Whiskey

    "In order to be able to do this, they will have to hit Guam and Hawaii with a lot of missiles to take out the airfields and naval ships, and sink as many of our carriers as they can."

    Like the notion of Putin "interfering" with our elections (oh please, Mr. Putin, do it!) looks like China has the right idea.

    I hate that stupid Hawaii which has no business being a "state". It might as well be on the moon for all its relevance to the Real 48. (I'm looking at you too, Alaska). All it does is supply district judges to overrule Trump (how?) and morons like that Lady Senator.

    As per usual, the Dems have the stick at the wrong end. We should REDUCE the number of states. A smaller number of larger states would make devolution more reasonable (like the way Canada's large provinces handle health care, education, etc.) Tiny states are a legacy of the limited worldview of the 18th century (Rhode Island! Delaware! Why not just have New England?) and weird states like AK and HI (along with Guam etc.) are a legacy of failed imperialism.

    Also, aircraft carriers are obsolete.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Forgive the ignorance but how do larger Canadian provinces handle health care?

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @Neoconned

    Each Canadian province runs its own health care system and the federal government pays for part of the cost.

  307. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @John Johnson


    I’m also not liking the numbers on suburban White women

     

    If Trump loses, the blame should be laid directly at the feet of this demo.

    Here's the thing about vast swaths of middle to upper-middle class suburban white women with some college/college degree:

    They graduated from middle school, but never really left it.

    Trump embodies everything they THINK they should HATE about men: philanderer, braggart, always with the prettiest girl, never with them, or pumping and dumping them. If someone like him had seriously strolled into their lives, with the plane, the fabulous houses and the gold faucets, they would have opened their legs wider than the Grand Canyon.

    Deep down in the hind brain they know it, and the contradictions are simply too much to bear. So they'll mail in their ballot for the unaccomplished mediocre grifting senile hair sniffer because all the girls know the other guy is a pig.

    Policies, economics, accomplishments -- those pale in comparison to the inner rage they feel.

    They are leading with their ovaries, and it may portend catastrophe.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Anonymous, @Neoconned

    If Trump was implementing his agenda, I’d be right there with you telling those women to grow up. But he’s not. He’s running on the strength of the Trump personality cult, and if that’s not enough, he is the one who is to blame.

    • Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Anonymous

    Here's the problem: even if Trump implemented every last detail of his "agenda" and even if you told all the girls to grow up, a lot of them would still choose the grifter and his deranged progressive handlers because being against Trump is a feel-good sisterhood move.

    I move in these circles. I hear what these otherwise nice women say about Trump. The reaction isn't rational, it's visceral.

    "Oh, Jackie, that Trump is such a mean asshole."
    "Yeah, Susie, don't you just hate the way he insults people. Why can't he play nice?"

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

  308. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Whiskey


    You proles eat beans and bugs while we upper class dine on lobster.
     
    Roach paste on soy wafers my dude, roach paste on soy wafers.

    Also, proles sleeping in tubes, mandatory prole-vax, and emotion-suppresing meds, just like THX-1138.


    Lets hope for War with China. We can’t afford any more general peace.
     
    Careful.

    Our troops are fat, Woke numales and our equipment is overpriced, overcomplicated, fragile junk.

    A real fight with Russia or China would not be pretty.

    Replies: @Neoconned

    Einstein was quoted as saying “i do not know what WW3 will be fought with but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones…..”

    Any war against Xi or Putin will go WMD and then WE ALL are dead.

    MAD, and all that Cold War stuff…..

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Neoconned


    Any war against Xi or Putin will go WMD and then WE ALL are dead.
     
    I think Taiwan and the Persian Gulf are the most likely flashpoints.

    If a Nimitz-class carrier winds up on the bottom of the South China Sea or Persian Gulf with all hands lost, the public will bay for blood.

    That means nuclear-tipped Tomahawks into the Three Gorges Dam or downtown Tehran.

    At that point the best life plan is to run towards the light.
  309. @Rob McX
    @Anonymous


    As a practical matter, only white people are denied segregation.
     
    They're not denied it if they can afford it, i.e. in rich gated communities.

    When you see whites self-segregating, it's because nobody else can afford to live there. When blacks self-segregate, it's because anybody else would be afraid to live there.

    Replies: @Mild Mike

    They’re not denied it if they can afford it, i.e. in rich gated communities.

    When you see whites self-segregating, it’s because nobody else can afford to live there. When blacks self-segregate, it’s because anybody else would be afraid to live there.

    This is very well put, mate. I might add whites will also self-segregate to places no one would want to live. If they can’t afford to live there–they’ll head to some god-awful place like Salt n’ Sea…or Inland from the lovely coasts to some hot, dry, dusty, get-me-the-hell-out joint no black would ever dream of living. Sailer has written eloquently on blacks living on this wonder real-estate in California and the Elite attempts to drive them Eastward and out of there. But they ain’t gonna be no triple-platinum rap songs with the homies living around a bunch of tweaked-out, down n’ out crackers in whogivesatossville, CA.

  310. @Cido
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.
     
    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better, if we are motivated to know the truth objectively.
    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal. But science doesn't say that.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams, @HA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    “the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal”

    Where did you get this so-called unversalist Christian idea that went unnoticed until a bunch of Freemason Deists decided to make a slogan out of it? The divine right of kings? The teaching that some of us are the “head” of the body, while others are the “less honourable members of the body”? The longstanding acceptance (as lefty atheists never tire of reminding us) of serfdom and slavery? You see? I can cherry-pick as well as you can.

    “Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better…”

    Do tell. How exactly does this “atheist scientific” spiel on the meaning of life go? If you think it’s that much better, than surely you have specifics. As for me, I must have missed that memo, but maybe it got lost between all the quarks and gluons.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @HA

    The stories about quarks and the gluons speak to me far more than a bunch of poorly-written foreign fables.

    Replies: @HA

  311. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @John Johnson


    I’m also not liking the numbers on suburban White women

     

    If Trump loses, the blame should be laid directly at the feet of this demo.

    Here's the thing about vast swaths of middle to upper-middle class suburban white women with some college/college degree:

    They graduated from middle school, but never really left it.

    Trump embodies everything they THINK they should HATE about men: philanderer, braggart, always with the prettiest girl, never with them, or pumping and dumping them. If someone like him had seriously strolled into their lives, with the plane, the fabulous houses and the gold faucets, they would have opened their legs wider than the Grand Canyon.

    Deep down in the hind brain they know it, and the contradictions are simply too much to bear. So they'll mail in their ballot for the unaccomplished mediocre grifting senile hair sniffer because all the girls know the other guy is a pig.

    Policies, economics, accomplishments -- those pale in comparison to the inner rage they feel.

    They are leading with their ovaries, and it may portend catastrophe.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @Anonymous, @Neoconned

    So I’m more than likely oversimplifying this……but basically you’re saying Whiskey is right…..

  312. @BB753
    @Neoconned

    Indeed, if anything, Taiwan joining Mainland China is a done deal and America long caved in on the issue.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Maybe not.

    https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=45952

    This guy has a bunch of war videos and he says no:

    • LOL: BB753
  313. Anonymous[359] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan Adams
    @Cido

    True atheism is nihilism. Nothing is right and nothing is wrong.

    Most self-professed "atheists" subscribe to various forms of mutilated Christianity. They believe in religious concepts such as good and evil. If you push hard enough, you'll find that most of them believe in the will of the universe or in some other nebulous God-like concept.



    Recently I had a conversation with a militant "atheist" about the election. He described Trump as "evil":

    "Why is Trump evil?" I asked.

    "He's a white supremacist."

    "Why is white supremacy bad?"

    "Uh ... slavery? The Holocaust?"

    "Why is slavery bad?"

    "What do you mean, why is slavery bad?"

    "Tell me why slavery is bad."

    "You can't enslave another person!"

    "Why?"

    "Because you can't!"

    "Why?"

    "Because it's evil!"

    "Why is it evil?"

    "Because it is!"

    "What does evil mean?"

    "Evil is making other people suffer."

    "Why is it wrong to make other people suffer?"

    "What do you mean, 'why is it wrong?' It's wrong! Everyone knows that!"

    "Why?"

    "Because it's wrong! Don't you care about other people?"

    "No. Why should I care?"

    "Because if you don't care about their suffering, then they don't have to care about yours."

    "Why should other people care about my suffering?"

    "Don't you want them to?"

    "What I want is irrelevant. I don't care about anyone and I don't expect anyone to care about me. Why is that bad?"

    "Well, you should care. We have to help each other."

    "Why should 'we' have to help each other?"

    "It's the human thing to do."

    "Why should I do the human thing? Why can't I do whatever I want?"

    "You can't. You have to behave like a civilized human being."

    "Why?"

    "Because maintaining civilization requires a certain amount of cooperation."

    "Why should I care about maintaining civilization?"

    "Never mind."

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I am an atheist if the word “atheist” means what people customarily use it for. By your redefinition, I’m indeed not an atheist.

    Although most every culture has had some kind of supernatural belief system, moralizing Gods are a relatively late invention. Yet “good” and “evil” existed before them. If your atheist friend was honest, he’d admit that the answer is “somebody told me to.” Which isn’t markedly inferior to answering “somebody told me to, but that entity is a supernatural being.”

    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    @Anonymous

    He's not really a friend. To be honest, I was just trolling him.

  314. @petit bourgeois
    @Jack D

    Thanks Jack. I had no idea of the deceptive advertising on the bottle. I've gone through seven cases of the stuff (73.5 litres) in the past six months, and the bottle clearly says "Polish potato vodka." On the back of every bottle there is a "map" showing the location of the city of Lvov within the borders of Poland.

    Who knew I was drinking irredentist vodka? Maybe the Polacks will get the city back someday.

    I agree that it's essentially ethanol, and not worth paying for any "premium." That's why I like it. It's clean, cheap and there's no hangover. In my experience, the Polacks make the best potato vodka, with the Swedes coming in a close second.

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    All vodka is grain neutral spirits. What differentiates one vodka from another is what the GNS is infused with afterwards.

  315. @HA
    @Cido

    "the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal"

    Where did you get this so-called unversalist Christian idea that went unnoticed until a bunch of Freemason Deists decided to make a slogan out of it? The divine right of kings? The teaching that some of us are the "head" of the body, while others are the "less honourable members of the body"? The longstanding acceptance (as lefty atheists never tire of reminding us) of serfdom and slavery? You see? I can cherry-pick as well as you can.

    "Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better..."


    Do tell. How exactly does this "atheist scientific" spiel on the meaning of life go? If you think it's that much better, than surely you have specifics. As for me, I must have missed that memo, but maybe it got lost between all the quarks and gluons.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    The stories about quarks and the gluons speak to me far more than a bunch of poorly-written foreign fables.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anonymous

    "The stories about quarks and the gluons speak to me far more than a bunch of poorly-written foreign fables."

    If quarks and gluons have anything much to say to you about the meaning of life (I see your post is curiously lacking any specifics about that), then seek professional counseling. Until you get that diagnosed, you have no business criticizing others for believing in foreign fables.

    And hold on now, you say it's their foreignness that bugs you now? Really? I thought I just read here that Christianity's universalist tendencies are actually the big problem. It's so weird how its detractors are so utterly lacking in consistency. It's too patriarchal,...no wait, it's actually too feminine. It's too universalist, but now it's also disgustingly foreign. And are fables immediately better if they're home grown as opposed to foreign? Or do you think the meaning of life is something that should vary by zip code so that your neighborhood gets to have its very own? That's what those quarks and gluons are telling you? Hmmm....

    See, that's the thing about Christianity -- it may be just a pale shadow of those timeless truths that subatomic particles are purportedly dispensing to you, but as long as the alternative is a brave new world of deep thinkers like the kind you're proving to be, then I predict we're not done with it just yet.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  316. @Neoconned
    @Peter D. Bredon

    Forgive the ignorance but how do larger Canadian provinces handle health care?

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    Each Canadian province runs its own health care system and the federal government pays for part of the cost.

  317. @Dieter Kief
    @Thomas

    The self-centeredness of Donald Trump is - real, so to speak. Excuse me for making this joke, there are truths in them, so what: The self-absorbed one is the real Donald Trump.

    If he loses, what follows is not only relevant in this realm of the Trumpian (= really big style) self-centeredness. - It will have political consequences too. It just looks as if the Trumpistas around here would sort of lose their steam in pointing out what the political difference would be. The mood is not the optimistic Trump-mood any more, that I sensed here during the last election cycle.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin, @Bugg

    Anyone who is a politician has an ego. Any of them who runs for President has a huge ego. Trump doesn’t hide it. Recall when Bush Jr. ran, many of today’s neocon NeverTrumpers touted how much he didn’t need to be president and how he didn’t have an ego. That is what as known as TOTAL BULLSHIT.

  318. @Cido
    @Bardon Kaldian


    Sooner or later this medieval crap of Islam will either collapse or will be suppressed by more powerful & enlightened religious cultures. You want West to go back to that medieval shit.
     
    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
    The meaning of life would be better, if we are motivated to know the truth objectively.
    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal. But science doesn't say that.

    Replies: @JMcG, @Reg Cæsar, @Stan Adams, @HA, @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?

    The greatest crimes against humanity have been committed by atheists. All those atheists claimed science as their god, and all worshiped at the altar of science.

    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal

    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine. Equality was obviously equality in Christ. Only the redeemed could claim that status. And then only as spiritual beings.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    The greatest crimes against humanity have been committed by atheists. All those atheists claimed science as their god, and all worshiped at the altar of science...

    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.
     
    Do you see any inconsistency between these two statements you made?
    , @Yngvar
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.
     
    "Real socialism have never been tried!"

    Replies: @HA, @Colin Wright

  319. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
    @James Braxton
    @peterike

    Writing a column is easy.

    Running a government in the face of enourmous institutional opposition from all sides is difficult.

    I think Trump did everything he could to simply hold on for four years and score victories where he could find them. On immigration this often took creativity. He ended the caravans by doing deals with the Central American nations. He effectively ended asylum with the remain in Mexico policy. He built the wall with reprogrammed military funds. He capitalized on the pandemic with a temporary immigration moratorium.

    As for bolder things like ending birthright citizenship, I think Trump knows he was on the wrong side of a 5-4 supreme court.

    What he needs to enact the full agends is a second term with something that looks like a mandate from the voters. Ann Coulter, the shrewish old maid, is not helping to make that happen.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    “As for bolder things like ending birthright citizenship, I think Trump knows he was on the wrong side of a 5-4 supreme court.”

    Trump inherited two strong conservative justices with Alito and Thomas and now he has had the opportunity to hand-pick three more justices. I’m cautiously skeptical (I hope I’m wrong) about Coney Barrett’s conservative bona fides with her adopted Haitian kids and her crying over G Floyd, but Trump should (in light of what I’ve just said) now enjoy a “constitutionalist” majority on the Supreme Court.
    Therefore if Coney Barrett is successfully elevated to the Court, he will have NO excuse in my book for not issuing his long-rumored but never delivered Executive Order on anchor babies.

    • Agree: James Braxton
  320. @Rob McX
    @ben tillman

    That is bizarre. I presume this was in some way an unintended outcome of the ruling.

    Replies: @ben tillman

    The court ruled that ballots can’t be disqualified because the signature on the ballot doesn’t match the one one file. Surely, the court must have intended the immediately foreseeable result I noted.

    • Thanks: Rob McX
    • Replies: @Corn
    @ben tillman

    Democrats are trying to steal this election and they’re not even trying to hide it.

  321. @Jack D
    @bomag

    Keep in mind that before the 1st debate people here were convinced that he was completely senile and would come out and drool and wet himself. He is no spring chicken but he is obviously not senile in any clinical sense. He was never that bright to begin with. I'm not sure he would have done any better 20 years ago.

    The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn't been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It's not fair, but life isn't fair.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @MBlanc46

    You’re right on Biden, JD. He’s alert enough to go toe to toe with Trump, with the usual Bidenisms.

  322. I’m impressed Creepy Joe Lockdowns managed to bat .667. I expected him to go oh for three.

    I did correctly predict he’d use CoronaHoax as an excuse to miss a debate. It’s a bad look, Creepy Joe, to publicly fear the 72-hour sniffles.

  323. @TelfoedJohn
    @Moses


    Joe Biden: "Did you ever think you'd turn on the TV and roughly 2 out of 3 ads would be biracial couples selling a product? That never would've happened in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. This generation is a different generation. They're the least prejudiced, the most optimistic."
     
    Has anyone ever seen an ad where one half of a biracial couple was an Orthodox Jew?

    Replies: @Bubba

    The “Cleopatra Schwartz” segment in Kentucky Fried Movie.

  324. I am more broken up with losing Ann C. What happened to Ann? Who threatened her? Why is she not a commentator or even, a comment of about 100 cites I know!? I know why she was banished, but I don’t understand how it is possible for her to be banished after 2-3 years???!!!!!

    • Replies: @Lagertha
    @Lagertha

    why is she still censored? Why is she still banned? WTF is with our cuntry that Ann Coulter is banned? - Progressive women, and all their empowering bullshit, needs to answer about Ann Coulter.

  325. @Lagertha
    I am more broken up with losing Ann C. What happened to Ann? Who threatened her? Why is she not a commentator or even, a comment of about 100 cites I know!? I know why she was banished, but I don't understand how it is possible for her to be banished after 2-3 years???!!!!!

    Replies: @Lagertha

    why is she still censored? Why is she still banned? WTF is with our cuntry that Ann Coulter is banned? – Progressive women, and all their empowering bullshit, needs to answer about Ann Coulter.

  326. @Anonymous
    @HA

    The stories about quarks and the gluons speak to me far more than a bunch of poorly-written foreign fables.

    Replies: @HA

    “The stories about quarks and the gluons speak to me far more than a bunch of poorly-written foreign fables.”

    If quarks and gluons have anything much to say to you about the meaning of life (I see your post is curiously lacking any specifics about that), then seek professional counseling. Until you get that diagnosed, you have no business criticizing others for believing in foreign fables.

    And hold on now, you say it’s their foreignness that bugs you now? Really? I thought I just read here that Christianity’s universalist tendencies are actually the big problem. It’s so weird how its detractors are so utterly lacking in consistency. It’s too patriarchal,…no wait, it’s actually too feminine. It’s too universalist, but now it’s also disgustingly foreign. And are fables immediately better if they’re home grown as opposed to foreign? Or do you think the meaning of life is something that should vary by zip code so that your neighborhood gets to have its very own? That’s what those quarks and gluons are telling you? Hmmm….

    See, that’s the thing about Christianity — it may be just a pale shadow of those timeless truths that subatomic particles are purportedly dispensing to you, but as long as the alternative is a brave new world of deep thinkers like the kind you’re proving to be, then I predict we’re not done with it just yet.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @HA

    I get enough "seek professional help" from my wife, okay. I don't need more from you. As for the big questions, why are we here, why do we exist, it's the height of arrogance to suppose that the whole universe was created so that we would be its central actors. We're just apes with big sticks. It would be like if a colony of ants calculated the circumference of the Earth, yet still thought the whole planet was created for them, and so that their ant colony was at the center stage. You wouldn't expect the answers to the big questions, whatever they are, to have emotional resonance with our monkey-brains.

    As to its foreignness, it's similar to how I'm inherently more interested in the American Civil War than in the Taiping Rebellion. As far as a guide on how to live one's life, it absolutely matters that it was written by a foreign group for their own technologically primitive society. I want to hear from people like Gregory Cochran and Robin Hanson. They are the ones with insight into the world I am living in.

    Replies: @HA

  327. @Anonymous
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    If Trump was implementing his agenda, I'd be right there with you telling those women to grow up. But he's not. He's running on the strength of the Trump personality cult, and if that's not enough, he is the one who is to blame.

    Replies: @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    Here’s the problem: even if Trump implemented every last detail of his “agenda” and even if you told all the girls to grow up, a lot of them would still choose the grifter and his deranged progressive handlers because being against Trump is a feel-good sisterhood move.

    I move in these circles. I hear what these otherwise nice women say about Trump. The reaction isn’t rational, it’s visceral.

    “Oh, Jackie, that Trump is such a mean asshole.”
    “Yeah, Susie, don’t you just hate the way he insults people. Why can’t he play nice?”

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    "He eats ketchup on his well done steak."

    Much of female revulsion to DJT is nothing more than he's so icky and gross.

    Until he turns his attention to me, of course.

    https://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/images/2016_05_dtrumpsuccess.2e16d0ba.fill-661x496.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

  328. @Mr McKenna
    Thinking I should rejoin Twitter. Hate missing out on this.

    https://i.ibb.co/j8md9ps/Darshun-Kendrick.jpg

    Replies: @HammerJack

    I’ll bet she thinks she’s the best corporate attorney in history, too. She’s even got her own law firm, so she can be her own boss.

    Though, looking at the firm’s non-existent web presence, it’s probably a good thing she has her legislative salary to fall back on.

    Can anyone else get http://kendricklaw.net/ to return any results?

  329. @Travis
    @RichardTaylor

    Besides immigration , Trump was opposed to more wars in the middle East, which is a big reason the GOP establishment opposed him. He failed to escalate the war in Syria, but should have brought all the troops home from Syria and Afghanistan. Any other Republican would have sent more troops to the middle east.

    He has fought in the courts to build the wall, issued executive orders to contravene Obama’s second-term open-borders mandates, juggled funding from a variety of agencies, and jawboned Mexico nonstop. Trump drastically cut refugee admissions, Though this year’s cap was 18,000, the administration welcomed fewer than 11,000 refugees as of Sept. 25. Obama set the cap for 2016 at 110,000 refugees. Trump lowered it to 15,000 for 2021. He also restricted travel from African and Muslim-majority countries with his Muslim ban. Family members hoping to travel legally from Iran, Libya, Syria, Yemen and Somalia were blocked by the president’s travel ban.

    Increased vetting have further winnowed foreign travelers. The number of visas issued to foreigners abroad looking to immigrate to the United States has declined by 25%, to 462,422 in the 2019 fiscal year from 617,752 in 2016. But the wealth test — or public charge rule — may prove the most consequential change yet. Two-thirds of the immigrants who obtained permanent legal status from 2012 to 2016 could be blocked from doing so under the new rule, which denies green cards to those who are likely to need public assistance

    The National Foundation for American Policy projects that the number of legal immigrants will decline by 49% (or 581,845) between FY 2016 and FY 2021 due to Trump administration policies. (From the FY 2016 total of 1,183,505 down to 601,660 in FY 2021.) How did the Trump administration reduce legal immigration by 49% without changing U.S. immigration law? The answer is by using executive and administrative authorities.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2020/07/21/trump-cuts-legal-immigrants-by-half-and-hes-not-done-yet/#131141856168

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    Great comment, but still the black-pillers will insist “he’s just a blowhard, he’s useless, he’s a con artist, might as well have a Democrat.”

    Those commenters remind me of the priest in Zulu, who shrieks hysterically at the defenders of Rorke’s Drift, “Death awaits you all! You’re all going to die! Can’t you see?”

  330. @Prof. Woland
    @Travis

    Well said. Somewhere I picked up that the FBI was pursuing this as 'money laundering' which means they could just bury the case indefinitely while they 'investigated' the matter. In a normal child abuse / smoking crack scenario, Hunter would have been taken down immediately hence spilling the beans. So just follow who in the FBI was in charge of this and add them to the coup plot.

    As implausible as "President Biden" sounds, I think the idea was always to use him strictly as a "place holder" so his vice president, whoever that black woman would be, would quickly assume the reigns of power. Kamala Harris washed out in the first round of the primaries. Nobody liked her. In fact, I believe that her only real purpose in running was to advertise as VP. Her lack of popularity did not matter. She was the Obama pick and had all the right people behind her.

    The beauty of this thing is that it will not ever go away irrespective of whether Biden is elected or not and not only are Joe's fingerprints all over it but Obama's too. If not because Obama siphoned money for himself then because he knew nothing while there was corruption going on with his subordinates. The Biden's and Obamas will never get the taint off of them and if there is a President Harris, she will have it on her too.

    Replies: @Harry Baldwin

    The Biden’s and Obamas will never get the taint off of them and if there is a President Harris, she will have it on her too.

    But half of the country will never see it this way, or even believe it. You know, the half of the country (at least) that would tell you, if asked, that the Mueller Report proved that Trump colluded with Russia to win the 2016 election. And, unfortunately, the people who work in mainstream news, teach our children, and write the history books are all in that half.

  331. @BB753
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Actually, I find it depressing that grown men play video games and enjoy their crappy music. Maybe I'm just an old fart or Western civilization is definitively over.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Look at me complaining
    While there’s science to do.
    When I look outside
    It makes me G.L.A.D. I’m not you.

    I’ve experiments to run,
    There is research to be done
    On the people who are
    Still alive.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Ok, I get it, it's Asperger's.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  332. I was thinking about how during the debate Biden said he has never received money from a foreign country. I think that’s literally true: Hunter or one of Joe’s brothers receives the money, and it’s transferred to Joe later. He doesn’t receive it directly from the foreign country.

    Also, Joe gave as proof of his probity that he has released his tax returns for the past 20 years. Does anyone think that bribes or payoffs would be listed on one’s tax returns? Joe may be dumb, but he’s not that dumb.

    • Replies: @L. Guapo
    @Harry Baldwin

    It was a pretty slick non-denial denial from the big guy.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

  333. @Anonymous
    @Stan Adams

    I am an atheist if the word "atheist" means what people customarily use it for. By your redefinition, I'm indeed not an atheist.

    Although most every culture has had some kind of supernatural belief system, moralizing Gods are a relatively late invention. Yet "good" and "evil" existed before them. If your atheist friend was honest, he'd admit that the answer is "somebody told me to." Which isn't markedly inferior to answering "somebody told me to, but that entity is a supernatural being."

    Replies: @Stan Adams

    He’s not really a friend. To be honest, I was just trolling him.

  334. Anonymous[480] • Disclaimer says:
    @HA
    @Anonymous

    "The stories about quarks and the gluons speak to me far more than a bunch of poorly-written foreign fables."

    If quarks and gluons have anything much to say to you about the meaning of life (I see your post is curiously lacking any specifics about that), then seek professional counseling. Until you get that diagnosed, you have no business criticizing others for believing in foreign fables.

    And hold on now, you say it's their foreignness that bugs you now? Really? I thought I just read here that Christianity's universalist tendencies are actually the big problem. It's so weird how its detractors are so utterly lacking in consistency. It's too patriarchal,...no wait, it's actually too feminine. It's too universalist, but now it's also disgustingly foreign. And are fables immediately better if they're home grown as opposed to foreign? Or do you think the meaning of life is something that should vary by zip code so that your neighborhood gets to have its very own? That's what those quarks and gluons are telling you? Hmmm....

    See, that's the thing about Christianity -- it may be just a pale shadow of those timeless truths that subatomic particles are purportedly dispensing to you, but as long as the alternative is a brave new world of deep thinkers like the kind you're proving to be, then I predict we're not done with it just yet.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    I get enough “seek professional help” from my wife, okay. I don’t need more from you. As for the big questions, why are we here, why do we exist, it’s the height of arrogance to suppose that the whole universe was created so that we would be its central actors. We’re just apes with big sticks. It would be like if a colony of ants calculated the circumference of the Earth, yet still thought the whole planet was created for them, and so that their ant colony was at the center stage. You wouldn’t expect the answers to the big questions, whatever they are, to have emotional resonance with our monkey-brains.

    As to its foreignness, it’s similar to how I’m inherently more interested in the American Civil War than in the Taiping Rebellion. As far as a guide on how to live one’s life, it absolutely matters that it was written by a foreign group for their own technologically primitive society. I want to hear from people like Gregory Cochran and Robin Hanson. They are the ones with insight into the world I am living in.

    • Replies: @HA
    @Anonymous

    "I don’t need more from you. As for the big questions, why are we here, why do we exist, it’s the height of arrogance to suppose that the whole universe was created so that we would be its central actors. "

    And yet, the Big Bang theory that modernists choose as their preferred alternative answer to such big questions was first proposed by a Belgian priest. In fact, it received the derisive name "Big Bang" precisely because Hoyle wanted to ridicule its theological -- i.e. Christian -- implications.

    Again, you can cherry-pick the Bible however you please. For those who have actually read it, it's not just about the arrogance of being central actors in the whole universe. There's also plenty about how we're basically worms wondering to God "what is man, that You should be mindful of him?" In fact, it was that very subservience and obsequiousness before an all powerful God, who far more than any universe was the center of their focus, that the "humanists" sought to overthrow. But really, if time and space are as relative as Einstein proclaimed, why you do you care that Christians declare its center to be at Jerusalem, or Bethlehem, or Greenwich observatory or wherever? What's it to you? The fact is, you don't care. It's all just a stick to you to beat Christianity with. In your previous post you derided it for being "foreign" as opposed to home-grown. This time around, your're slamming it for being too arrogantly provincial in its insistence that our little corner of the Universe is something special. Sounds like your wife may have a point. It would be more amusing at this point if it were not so tiresome.

  335. @AnotherDad
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The wall is a symbol for stupid people and is basically irrelevant. And Trump didn’t build new wall anyway, he replaced existing sections of wall with better ones.
     

    Tip: pronouncing that people are stupid about something which apparently you have not even given the slightest thought toward... does not bathe yourself in glory. A general rule is you should actually analyze the problem a bit before pronouncing.

    Walls, fences, border barriers have been going up all over the world because ... they work!

    Without drilling down four points:

    1) Deterrence
    The calculus of people attempting something depends quite a bit on chance of success. If a young man in southern Mexico or Central America is contemplating the trip north, the difference between a scenario where it may take five or six attempts at scaling the fence with a gang and getting past la migra--say a 95% of ultimate success--and a scenario where the wall is essentially impenetrable (baring military attack) and you need thousands of dollars for a coyote caravan out in the desert somewhere or phony papers/cover story for the border--and still may fail!--is absolutely huge.

    The wall radically changes the probability and cost of success so radically changes the numbers of attempts.

    2) System success.
    The wall, radically improves the performance of the overall system. When the border is easily penetrated, then the border patrol has its hands full just doing catch and release of thousands every day. When the wall drops the numbers, then the border patrol guys are no long chasing down thousands of illegals crashing the border, and can respond to tougher more sophisticated coyote operations.

    The wall doesn't just make the physical border wall better, it makes the whole system a lot harder.

    3) Politically "imperivious"
    Trump builds the Wall ... and the wall is still there when a Democrat takes office. Border patrol budgets, staffing, detention policies, etc. etc.--all the bureaucratic stuff ("software")--that Trump put in place, the Parasite Party President (PPP) can wave away through his appointees and policy changes. But the physical wall ("hardware") is still there. The PPP can try and take it down, but that's much, much more politically fraught. It is openly announcing an open borders, illegals welcome position--no longer boiling the frog.

    Physical infrastructure survives--and ergo continues to do its job--through political transitions.

    4) Changed politics.
    Because they do not want the problem fixed, minoritarians (leftists, big-staters) attempt to wrap illegal immigration--and a lot of other straightforward, tractable problems--in a miasma of "complexity" and "intractability". "It's complex". "Multiple causes." "Simple solutions don't work." Complete and utter nonsense. Minoritarians/leftists/Democrats simply want you to think illegal immigration is unstoppable, so you'll tolerate it continuing.

    There are complex and difficult human problems. I have no idea how to save someone's marriage, or get some drug addict to turn his life around. Nor can i "cure" poverty with a snap of my fingers. (Leftists love taking on genuinely intractable problems.) The "cure" is more intelligent and conscientious people along with a robust economy--i.e. eugenics. But most political problems actually have fairly simple solutions ... it's just that those solutions are opposed by some constituency invested in the current order or simply in not fixing the problem.

    But if you actually start fixing a problem, you change the politics around it. Build the Wall--and make e-verify mandatory, jack up workplace raids and shut down offending employers, ramp up deportations--and suddenly the politics changes. People can see that illegal immigration is not intractable, but in fact can be dramatically reduced or completely stopped, pretty easily by different policies ... then they want those different policies!

    Politics--political demands and expectations--responds dramatically to success and failure, to perceptions of possibility.

    ~~~


    Intelligent anti immigration people want mandatory e-verify, which Trump refused to implement despite having the power. Trump refused for the most Republican reason imaginable, which was that he didn’t want to burden businesses and tells you how rotten and incorrigible the party is.
     
    Here you are more on target. Intelligent anti-immigration people want the Wall and e-verify. You need mandatory e-verify to lower the "draw" of the US, to handle the "arrived legally" problem and to force self-deportation.

    And yes, Republicans kowtow too much to business--but then fold to the Democrat/minoritarian "diversity" impositions upon business which are completely negative, a deadweight cost. And Trump is a pretty standard Republican in such kowtowing--persuadable against anything impacting "business".

    But e-verify alone is not enough. People can cheat. There is lots of under-the-table, off the books work. And criminality. And security issues. No one should be here who isn't supposed to be here.

    No, you absolutely positively need a hard, impenetrable border--control of access--then you build on top of that with a "hard" interior where it is difficult to find a job or a place to live as an illegal.

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star, @Prof. Woland, @Guy De Champlagne

    Is there a single example of a country effectively using a wall to control economic migration? All the examples that get cited are for security issues.

    • Replies: @Gabe Ruth
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Can you be this stupid? Who is more motivated to cross a barrier, an economic migrant or a terrorist? There are things the latter would do that the former wouldn't. So if a wall is effective for security issues, how will it not be effective against day laborers?

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne

  336. @Redman
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Most people don’t see anything wrong with a president asking the leader of another country for help in an investigation. The issue at impeachment was whether there was an implied quid pro quo related to US military aid. There wasn’t.

    Maybe you forgot that part.

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne

    Politics is full of quid pro quos. It’s only a scandal if the the quid or the quo is unethical.

  337. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @BB753

    Look at me complaining
    While there's science to do.
    When I look outside
    It makes me G.L.A.D. I'm not you.

    I've experiments to run,
    There is research to be done
    On the people who are
    Still alive.

    Replies: @BB753

    Ok, I get it, it’s Asperger’s.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @BB753

    Nah bro, it's not Asperger's. I'm not trying to "win" some intellectual arm-wrestling match, I was trying to demonstrate something using jokes, but apparently it isn't working, who knows why not. You sort of have to understand the whole context of that song, and who or what is singing it and why, to realize why it's witty and brilliant, and first-rate satire.

    Look, I'm not a fan of video/computer games either, and I'm basically illiterate in the genre. I like "Portal" because it's such an obvious work of art, despite the genre. But I can't be bothered with the rest of the gaming world, because I am a square.

    Keep in mind that cinema had its origins in short one-minute banal nickelodeon clips of animals doing funny tricks and ladies flashing their undies, that you watched on a beachfront Boardwalk. It was the artistic equivalent of a pinball machine. But in a few short decades, it had become a sophisticated art form. Probably something like that is underway with gaming right now. I'm not an adept so I don't know the progress report, but something as clever as "Portal" is a good indicator. The leap from Felix the Cat to the Tragedy of Queen Elsa took decades, but the leap from Little Richard to The Who's opera "Tommy" took only ten years!

    A thing to chew on.

    Replies: @BB753

  338. @Father Coughlin
    @International Jew

    Much of the insouciance about immigration is competency-signaling. "You just got to know how to talk to these people, like I do!".

    Replies: @International Jew

    It’s called “luxury beliefs”. I think Steve has written about it.

  339. @James O'Meara
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Good to remind people that their "Christian morality" is Abrahamic, not universal. It's like their trick of convincing the goyim (Cyrus) that YHVH was the goyim's universal, one God, rather than their tribal fetish (see L. Guyot's articles here).

    Conversely, Hebrew homo-hate is just another manifestation of their desire to isolate themselves from the rest of the world -- for which the Romans coined the term "misanthropy". The OT stuff (Leviticus) is aimed at Canaanite temple prostitution, the NT stuff (Romans) is aimed at assimilation with the Hellenistic world. (Paul dropped the circumcision requirement to make the rest palatable in his mission to the goyim).

    Bannon and others on the Right talking about "Traditionalism" or the Middle Ages (E M Jones) are useful idiots for Islam. Funny how the great figures of Traditionalism (Guenon, Schuon, Burkhardt, Lings, etc.) all became Moslems. (Evola limited himself to denouncing Christianity for not being as "masculine" as Islam; the spiritual progenitor of the women holding "Welcome Immigrants" signs). Nothing to see here.

    "Hook, Line, & Sinker: Steve Bannon & the Usual Suspects"
    https://counter-currents.com/2020/10/hook-line-and-sinker/

    Replies: @BB753

    If you seek Traditionalism, you won’t find it in Roman Catholicism, itself a modernist offshoot of Traditional, that is, Orthodox Catholicism. Please don’t confuse the authentic faith, that of the Orthodox Church, whose dogma remains virtually unchanged since the second Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 787 AD, with the heresies of Rome and later of Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, etc

    • Replies: @HA
    @BB753

    "If you seek Traditionalism, you won’t find it in Roman Catholicism, itself a modernist offshoot of Traditional, that is, Orthodox Catholicism."

    And here we go again, back to the real problem of why it is that twits from Schopenhauer, to Guenon to you, insist that plain old Western Christianity is too this, and too that. It's too archaic I tell you. No, wait, it's too modernist. It's too antisemitic and the real driver of the Holocaust. Or else, no, it's a vehicle of Judaic supremacy. Can't they make up their minds? No, the real problem here is what Scruton called oikophobia. This notion that the truth must be found off in the East somewhere, be it in some ashram in Calcutta or some monastery on Mt. Athos. Whereas, it's the Western Christians who, after they themselves embraced a faith out from way-off Jerusalem and Athens, decided that henceforth, that was as far East as they would need to go, and from then on they unapologetically made that faith their very own, to the extent that Christianity (or at least Roman Catholicism in your case) and the West became intrinsically linked for better and worse, as we continue to see whenever someone sets out to trash the West.

    That's why Schopenhauer kept yammering about that all that compassion he claimed could be found in the Vedas, when in fact, when it comes to compassion, the Sermon on the Mount has a good bit more of it than, say, the Bhagavad Gita (a text which emphasizes detachment above all else and belittles him who would wallow in compassion). That's why Nietzsche used the PR trick of putting his innovations into the mouth of an Eastern sage like Zoroaster/Zarathustra, and why Guenon and his followers sought refuge from cold Western rationalism in Sufi mysticism (at about the same time that oikophobes like Pickthall were assuring us the Quran was superior to the Bible precisely because it contained no miracles, and tendentiously translated the former to impose his take onto it). That's why trippy hippies from Madame Blavatsky to the Beatles sought refuge in theosophy and yoga and yogis. Really, it has a good deal to do with why Boas and his disciple Margaret Mead sought to enlighten us to the sexual mores of Polynesian societies. Too many Western/Christian hangups about sex. Ah, those poor benighted Christians/Westerners -- they can't seem to get anything right, to the extent that we now have to find the ultimate source of meaning from those who defecate in the streets and burn widows.

    Your tendentious spin on Christianity is no different. If you study Kallistos' Ware's "evolving" acceptance of contraception and the Orthodox Chruch's accommodation of divorce with a clear eye you'll rid yourself of the notion that those who try to pass themselves off as traditionalists (be it you or Guenon) are any less ready to compromise on it when it suits them. It's telling that so many Orthodox chauvinists want to insist that it's the third Rome that will never fall, thereby admitting that being a Rome of one form or another is still the acid test. As Ratzinger pointed out, if the Orthodox are willing to embrace the teachings of Gregory the Great that they still regard as a saint, they're as Western as they need to be, from Rome's perspective.

    Replies: @BB753

  340. @BB753
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Ok, I get it, it's Asperger's.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Nah bro, it’s not Asperger’s. I’m not trying to “win” some intellectual arm-wrestling match, I was trying to demonstrate something using jokes, but apparently it isn’t working, who knows why not. You sort of have to understand the whole context of that song, and who or what is singing it and why, to realize why it’s witty and brilliant, and first-rate satire.

    Look, I’m not a fan of video/computer games either, and I’m basically illiterate in the genre. I like “Portal” because it’s such an obvious work of art, despite the genre. But I can’t be bothered with the rest of the gaming world, because I am a square.

    Keep in mind that cinema had its origins in short one-minute banal nickelodeon clips of animals doing funny tricks and ladies flashing their undies, that you watched on a beachfront Boardwalk. It was the artistic equivalent of a pinball machine. But in a few short decades, it had become a sophisticated art form. Probably something like that is underway with gaming right now. I’m not an adept so I don’t know the progress report, but something as clever as “Portal” is a good indicator. The leap from Felix the Cat to the Tragedy of Queen Elsa took decades, but the leap from Little Richard to The Who’s opera “Tommy” took only ten years!

    A thing to chew on.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    OK, thanks for your instructive reply.

    But keep in mind that many of us don't think of cinema as an art form, just flashy entertainment which once in a decade comes up with a movie out of a million trashy movies which barely reaches the stage of a minor art form.

    I'm a GenXer who never took interest in video games. In retrospect, I thank my parents for not buying me a primitive Atari or Mario Bros gizmo, because otherwise I would never have gained a meaningful and gainful education. As a teenager, all I had in the way of entertainment was either hanging out with friends in the real world or reading books. TV was crappy and offered little entertainment. I'm thankful for that.
    I pity today's youth. And I pity adults trapped in a digital world designed for teenagers and by adults with the maturity of teenagers. Also, I despise those adults trapped by Netflix, HBO, etc, whose life revolve around stupid never-ending series.
    Get a life or get out of this life!

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star

  341. @Colin Wright
    @Jack D

    '...The feeling I had tonight was that they both did pretty well but given that Trump is (supposedly) behind on points and needed to score a knockout blow to change the outcome of the election, he failed to do so. Trump would have won in a walk if it hadn’t been for Covid, but he is going to get the blame for Covid. It’s not fair, but life isn’t fair.'

    I don't think much of the disease in the first place -- but vaccine news is popping up all over.

    The media's playing it all down, but with twelve days left, it could spill out.

    ...and if there's a 'cure,' then all of a sudden Trump is on the right side of history. That's one thing Trump let Biden have. Biden got to be Mister Shutdown -- and people are really sick of this.

    Replies: @Jack D, @Wielgus

    I thought Trump saddling Biden as Mr Shutdown was/is one of his smarter moves. My (European) perspective on this thing is that people are getting sick of it.

  342. @Jus' Sayin'...
    @Mr McKenna


    How the hell does a coyote bring a whole human across the border?
     
    That's Dar'shun channeling Linda Radner (Emily Litella). Wait for the "Oh! Never mind." in a day or two.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZLeaSWY37I

    Replies: @David 'The Diversity Mastermind' Lammey

    Well trained by Cesar Milan in Mexico?

  343. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @BB753

    Nah bro, it's not Asperger's. I'm not trying to "win" some intellectual arm-wrestling match, I was trying to demonstrate something using jokes, but apparently it isn't working, who knows why not. You sort of have to understand the whole context of that song, and who or what is singing it and why, to realize why it's witty and brilliant, and first-rate satire.

    Look, I'm not a fan of video/computer games either, and I'm basically illiterate in the genre. I like "Portal" because it's such an obvious work of art, despite the genre. But I can't be bothered with the rest of the gaming world, because I am a square.

    Keep in mind that cinema had its origins in short one-minute banal nickelodeon clips of animals doing funny tricks and ladies flashing their undies, that you watched on a beachfront Boardwalk. It was the artistic equivalent of a pinball machine. But in a few short decades, it had become a sophisticated art form. Probably something like that is underway with gaming right now. I'm not an adept so I don't know the progress report, but something as clever as "Portal" is a good indicator. The leap from Felix the Cat to the Tragedy of Queen Elsa took decades, but the leap from Little Richard to The Who's opera "Tommy" took only ten years!

    A thing to chew on.

    Replies: @BB753

    OK, thanks for your instructive reply.

    But keep in mind that many of us don’t think of cinema as an art form, just flashy entertainment which once in a decade comes up with a movie out of a million trashy movies which barely reaches the stage of a minor art form.

    I’m a GenXer who never took interest in video games. In retrospect, I thank my parents for not buying me a primitive Atari or Mario Bros gizmo, because otherwise I would never have gained a meaningful and gainful education. As a teenager, all I had in the way of entertainment was either hanging out with friends in the real world or reading books. TV was crappy and offered little entertainment. I’m thankful for that.
    I pity today’s youth. And I pity adults trapped in a digital world designed for teenagers and by adults with the maturity of teenagers. Also, I despise those adults trapped by Netflix, HBO, etc, whose life revolve around stupid never-ending series.
    Get a life or get out of this life!

    • Agree: William Badwhite
    • Replies: @Etruscan Film Star
    @BB753


    And I pity adults trapped in a digital world designed for teenagers and by adults with the maturity of teenagers. Also, I despise those adults trapped by Netflix, HBO, etc, whose life revolve around stupid never-ending series.
     
    It's surprising there hasn't been more discussion about the sociology of all those "never-ending series." More than half the offerings on Netflix streaming are strings of episodes rather than movies in the traditional format. It's as if new releases for streaming are designed for binge watching. How does this affect people's habits?

    I think the trend began before the Covid Police began their assault on public spaces, but no doubt the restrictions on social undistance kicked the media's flanks. They have an extra grip on the viewer's attention now. Whatever the influences, if stay-at-home entertainment continues to replace human interaction, the TV movie will be replaced by "seasons." We are heading back to the days of serial television watching, a new episode every week, except now you are invited to strap yourself in and tape your eyes open to watch the whole season in a weekend.

    I've seen several series comprising four and eight segments that would have been better at half the length. They filled out the extended screen time with obvious padding, irrelevant subplots, and repetition. These days I tend to reject even seasons that sound interesting if they ask eight hours of my lifetime and -- if halfway popular -- launch another season or three.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

  344. @ben tillman
    @Rob McX

    The court ruled that ballots can't be disqualified because the signature on the ballot doesn't match the one one file. Surely, the court must have intended the immediately foreseeable result I noted.

    Replies: @Corn

    Democrats are trying to steal this election and they’re not even trying to hide it.

  345. @BB753
    @James O'Meara

    If you seek Traditionalism, you won't find it in Roman Catholicism, itself a modernist offshoot of Traditional, that is, Orthodox Catholicism. Please don't confuse the authentic faith, that of the Orthodox Church, whose dogma remains virtually unchanged since the second Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 787 AD, with the heresies of Rome and later of Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, etc

    Replies: @HA

    “If you seek Traditionalism, you won’t find it in Roman Catholicism, itself a modernist offshoot of Traditional, that is, Orthodox Catholicism.”

    And here we go again, back to the real problem of why it is that twits from Schopenhauer, to Guenon to you, insist that plain old Western Christianity is too this, and too that. It’s too archaic I tell you. No, wait, it’s too modernist. It’s too antisemitic and the real driver of the Holocaust. Or else, no, it’s a vehicle of Judaic supremacy. Can’t they make up their minds? No, the real problem here is what Scruton called oikophobia. This notion that the truth must be found off in the East somewhere, be it in some ashram in Calcutta or some monastery on Mt. Athos. Whereas, it’s the Western Christians who, after they themselves embraced a faith out from way-off Jerusalem and Athens, decided that henceforth, that was as far East as they would need to go, and from then on they unapologetically made that faith their very own, to the extent that Christianity (or at least Roman Catholicism in your case) and the West became intrinsically linked for better and worse, as we continue to see whenever someone sets out to trash the West.

    That’s why Schopenhauer kept yammering about that all that compassion he claimed could be found in the Vedas, when in fact, when it comes to compassion, the Sermon on the Mount has a good bit more of it than, say, the Bhagavad Gita (a text which emphasizes detachment above all else and belittles him who would wallow in compassion). That’s why Nietzsche used the PR trick of putting his innovations into the mouth of an Eastern sage like Zoroaster/Zarathustra, and why Guenon and his followers sought refuge from cold Western rationalism in Sufi mysticism (at about the same time that oikophobes like Pickthall were assuring us the Quran was superior to the Bible precisely because it contained no miracles, and tendentiously translated the former to impose his take onto it). That’s why trippy hippies from Madame Blavatsky to the Beatles sought refuge in theosophy and yoga and yogis. Really, it has a good deal to do with why Boas and his disciple Margaret Mead sought to enlighten us to the sexual mores of Polynesian societies. Too many Western/Christian hangups about sex. Ah, those poor benighted Christians/Westerners — they can’t seem to get anything right, to the extent that we now have to find the ultimate source of meaning from those who defecate in the streets and burn widows.

    Your tendentious spin on Christianity is no different. If you study Kallistos’ Ware’s “evolving” acceptance of contraception and the Orthodox Chruch’s accommodation of divorce with a clear eye you’ll rid yourself of the notion that those who try to pass themselves off as traditionalists (be it you or Guenon) are any less ready to compromise on it when it suits them. It’s telling that so many Orthodox chauvinists want to insist that it’s the third Rome that will never fall, thereby admitting that being a Rome of one form or another is still the acid test. As Ratzinger pointed out, if the Orthodox are willing to embrace the teachings of Gregory the Great that they still regard as a saint, they’re as Western as they need to be, from Rome’s perspective.

    • Agree: utu
    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @BB753
    @HA

    Orthodoxy was not "Eastern", it was the Faith of Constantinople that Clovis king of the Frank's embraced, same with the Kievan Rus' Viking Rurik dinasty or the Visigoths in Spain. Until 1054, there was just one faith and culture. For instance, Saint Irenaeus, a Greek father of the Church, and a prolific writer, was the bishop of Lyon, now France. Catholic means universal, for everybody.
    As for Kallistos Ware, he's a modernist and ecumenical Orthodox. Don't pay any attention to him, he's not a serious theologian.
    And please, don't confuse Rome, the Empire which fell in 1453 AD, with the Vatican. The Vatican has become little more than a Lichtenstein (all finance, business and money-laundering) with a busy-body small-minded monarch posing as a spiritual leader, pretending to be Christian and Catholic.

  346. @Anonymous
    @HA

    I get enough "seek professional help" from my wife, okay. I don't need more from you. As for the big questions, why are we here, why do we exist, it's the height of arrogance to suppose that the whole universe was created so that we would be its central actors. We're just apes with big sticks. It would be like if a colony of ants calculated the circumference of the Earth, yet still thought the whole planet was created for them, and so that their ant colony was at the center stage. You wouldn't expect the answers to the big questions, whatever they are, to have emotional resonance with our monkey-brains.

    As to its foreignness, it's similar to how I'm inherently more interested in the American Civil War than in the Taiping Rebellion. As far as a guide on how to live one's life, it absolutely matters that it was written by a foreign group for their own technologically primitive society. I want to hear from people like Gregory Cochran and Robin Hanson. They are the ones with insight into the world I am living in.

    Replies: @HA

    “I don’t need more from you. As for the big questions, why are we here, why do we exist, it’s the height of arrogance to suppose that the whole universe was created so that we would be its central actors. “

    And yet, the Big Bang theory that modernists choose as their preferred alternative answer to such big questions was first proposed by a Belgian priest. In fact, it received the derisive name “Big Bang” precisely because Hoyle wanted to ridicule its theological — i.e. Christian — implications.

    Again, you can cherry-pick the Bible however you please. For those who have actually read it, it’s not just about the arrogance of being central actors in the whole universe. There’s also plenty about how we’re basically worms wondering to God “what is man, that You should be mindful of him?” In fact, it was that very subservience and obsequiousness before an all powerful God, who far more than any universe was the center of their focus, that the “humanists” sought to overthrow. But really, if time and space are as relative as Einstein proclaimed, why you do you care that Christians declare its center to be at Jerusalem, or Bethlehem, or Greenwich observatory or wherever? What’s it to you? The fact is, you don’t care. It’s all just a stick to you to beat Christianity with. In your previous post you derided it for being “foreign” as opposed to home-grown. This time around, your’re slamming it for being too arrogantly provincial in its insistence that our little corner of the Universe is something special. Sounds like your wife may have a point. It would be more amusing at this point if it were not so tiresome.

  347. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Cido


    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
     
    The greatest crimes against humanity have been committed by atheists. All those atheists claimed science as their god, and all worshiped at the altar of science.

    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal
     
    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine. Equality was obviously equality in Christ. Only the redeemed could claim that status. And then only as spiritual beings.

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @Yngvar

    The greatest crimes against humanity have been committed by atheists. All those atheists claimed science as their god, and all worshiped at the altar of science…

    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.

    Do you see any inconsistency between these two statements you made?

  348. @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Cido


    Is it not better to have an atheist scientific looking of the world instead of any religion?
     
    The greatest crimes against humanity have been committed by atheists. All those atheists claimed science as their god, and all worshiped at the altar of science.

    For example, many of the modern problems come from the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal
     
    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine. Equality was obviously equality in Christ. Only the redeemed could claim that status. And then only as spiritual beings.

    Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat, @Yngvar

    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.

    “Real socialism have never been tried!”

    • Replies: @HA
    @Yngvar

    “Real socialism have never been tried!”

    Whereas "the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal", which is what we're talking about, is decidedly a modern invention that goes against the nearly two millennia wherein the notion that "all humans are equal" would have been regarded as farcical -- even by, say, a fair number of all those Christians who formed the backbone of the abolitionist movement and who regarded their faith as a primary driver in their decision to agitate.

    THAT is the key difference. If you can point me to some country where "real socialism" has managed to build up a close-to-two-millennia-long track record that we can reference when deciding what is and isn't real socialism, then you might have something.

    As it is, you don't. (For that matter, I doubt you could even point me to an avowedly atheist political ideology that hasn't spent an alarming portion of the last century building gulags and killing fields and re-education camps, so at least in that sense, the previous commenter had a point, however much it rankled you and Faraday's Bobcat.)

    , @Colin Wright
    @Yngvar

    'Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.

    “Real socialism have never been tried!”

    Still, what is true is that people without Christianity are worse than they were when they had it.

    The shortcomings of the Tsars are as nothing compared to the barbarities of the Bolsheviks.

    When Mexico freed itself from the Spaniards -- and their institutionalized Church -- the treatment of the Indians immediately became dramatically worse.

    Somebody once asked Evelyn Waugh how, if he professed to be a Christian, he could be such a bastard. His response was that people had no idea how awful he would be if he wasn't a Christian.

  349. For the time being, the green spiky guy has superseded the orange guy as the world leader of immigration restrictionism. In the meantime, Trump may as well focus on other nationalist populist issues like economic nationalism and free speech.

  350. @Yngvar
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.
     
    "Real socialism have never been tried!"

    Replies: @HA, @Colin Wright

    “Real socialism have never been tried!”

    Whereas “the wrong universalist Christian idea that all humans are equal”, which is what we’re talking about, is decidedly a modern invention that goes against the nearly two millennia wherein the notion that “all humans are equal” would have been regarded as farcical — even by, say, a fair number of all those Christians who formed the backbone of the abolitionist movement and who regarded their faith as a primary driver in their decision to agitate.

    THAT is the key difference. If you can point me to some country where “real socialism” has managed to build up a close-to-two-millennia-long track record that we can reference when deciding what is and isn’t real socialism, then you might have something.

    As it is, you don’t. (For that matter, I doubt you could even point me to an avowedly atheist political ideology that hasn’t spent an alarming portion of the last century building gulags and killing fields and re-education camps, so at least in that sense, the previous commenter had a point, however much it rankled you and Faraday’s Bobcat.)

  351. @HA
    @BB753

    "If you seek Traditionalism, you won’t find it in Roman Catholicism, itself a modernist offshoot of Traditional, that is, Orthodox Catholicism."

    And here we go again, back to the real problem of why it is that twits from Schopenhauer, to Guenon to you, insist that plain old Western Christianity is too this, and too that. It's too archaic I tell you. No, wait, it's too modernist. It's too antisemitic and the real driver of the Holocaust. Or else, no, it's a vehicle of Judaic supremacy. Can't they make up their minds? No, the real problem here is what Scruton called oikophobia. This notion that the truth must be found off in the East somewhere, be it in some ashram in Calcutta or some monastery on Mt. Athos. Whereas, it's the Western Christians who, after they themselves embraced a faith out from way-off Jerusalem and Athens, decided that henceforth, that was as far East as they would need to go, and from then on they unapologetically made that faith their very own, to the extent that Christianity (or at least Roman Catholicism in your case) and the West became intrinsically linked for better and worse, as we continue to see whenever someone sets out to trash the West.

    That's why Schopenhauer kept yammering about that all that compassion he claimed could be found in the Vedas, when in fact, when it comes to compassion, the Sermon on the Mount has a good bit more of it than, say, the Bhagavad Gita (a text which emphasizes detachment above all else and belittles him who would wallow in compassion). That's why Nietzsche used the PR trick of putting his innovations into the mouth of an Eastern sage like Zoroaster/Zarathustra, and why Guenon and his followers sought refuge from cold Western rationalism in Sufi mysticism (at about the same time that oikophobes like Pickthall were assuring us the Quran was superior to the Bible precisely because it contained no miracles, and tendentiously translated the former to impose his take onto it). That's why trippy hippies from Madame Blavatsky to the Beatles sought refuge in theosophy and yoga and yogis. Really, it has a good deal to do with why Boas and his disciple Margaret Mead sought to enlighten us to the sexual mores of Polynesian societies. Too many Western/Christian hangups about sex. Ah, those poor benighted Christians/Westerners -- they can't seem to get anything right, to the extent that we now have to find the ultimate source of meaning from those who defecate in the streets and burn widows.

    Your tendentious spin on Christianity is no different. If you study Kallistos' Ware's "evolving" acceptance of contraception and the Orthodox Chruch's accommodation of divorce with a clear eye you'll rid yourself of the notion that those who try to pass themselves off as traditionalists (be it you or Guenon) are any less ready to compromise on it when it suits them. It's telling that so many Orthodox chauvinists want to insist that it's the third Rome that will never fall, thereby admitting that being a Rome of one form or another is still the acid test. As Ratzinger pointed out, if the Orthodox are willing to embrace the teachings of Gregory the Great that they still regard as a saint, they're as Western as they need to be, from Rome's perspective.

    Replies: @BB753

    Orthodoxy was not “Eastern”, it was the Faith of Constantinople that Clovis king of the Frank’s embraced, same with the Kievan Rus’ Viking Rurik dinasty or the Visigoths in Spain. Until 1054, there was just one faith and culture. For instance, Saint Irenaeus, a Greek father of the Church, and a prolific writer, was the bishop of Lyon, now France. Catholic means universal, for everybody.
    As for Kallistos Ware, he’s a modernist and ecumenical Orthodox. Don’t pay any attention to him, he’s not a serious theologian.
    And please, don’t confuse Rome, the Empire which fell in 1453 AD, with the Vatican. The Vatican has become little more than a Lichtenstein (all finance, business and money-laundering) with a busy-body small-minded monarch posing as a spiritual leader, pretending to be Christian and Catholic.

  352. @BB753
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    OK, thanks for your instructive reply.

    But keep in mind that many of us don't think of cinema as an art form, just flashy entertainment which once in a decade comes up with a movie out of a million trashy movies which barely reaches the stage of a minor art form.

    I'm a GenXer who never took interest in video games. In retrospect, I thank my parents for not buying me a primitive Atari or Mario Bros gizmo, because otherwise I would never have gained a meaningful and gainful education. As a teenager, all I had in the way of entertainment was either hanging out with friends in the real world or reading books. TV was crappy and offered little entertainment. I'm thankful for that.
    I pity today's youth. And I pity adults trapped in a digital world designed for teenagers and by adults with the maturity of teenagers. Also, I despise those adults trapped by Netflix, HBO, etc, whose life revolve around stupid never-ending series.
    Get a life or get out of this life!

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star

    And I pity adults trapped in a digital world designed for teenagers and by adults with the maturity of teenagers. Also, I despise those adults trapped by Netflix, HBO, etc, whose life revolve around stupid never-ending series.

    It’s surprising there hasn’t been more discussion about the sociology of all those “never-ending series.” More than half the offerings on Netflix streaming are strings of episodes rather than movies in the traditional format. It’s as if new releases for streaming are designed for binge watching. How does this affect people’s habits?

    I think the trend began before the Covid Police began their assault on public spaces, but no doubt the restrictions on social undistance kicked the media’s flanks. They have an extra grip on the viewer’s attention now. Whatever the influences, if stay-at-home entertainment continues to replace human interaction, the TV movie will be replaced by “seasons.” We are heading back to the days of serial television watching, a new episode every week, except now you are invited to strap yourself in and tape your eyes open to watch the whole season in a weekend.

    I’ve seen several series comprising four and eight segments that would have been better at half the length. They filled out the extended screen time with obvious padding, irrelevant subplots, and repetition. These days I tend to reject even seasons that sound interesting if they ask eight hours of my lifetime and — if halfway popular — launch another season or three.

    • Agree: BB753
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Etruscan Film Star

    I get bored after about 6 hours of anything. I'm not much interested in how the plot turns out. After all, they are just making the story up. But I am interested in the initial world-building / perspective on the world.

    Replies: @BB753

  353. @Harry Baldwin
    I was thinking about how during the debate Biden said he has never received money from a foreign country. I think that's literally true: Hunter or one of Joe's brothers receives the money, and it's transferred to Joe later. He doesn't receive it directly from the foreign country.

    Also, Joe gave as proof of his probity that he has released his tax returns for the past 20 years. Does anyone think that bribes or payoffs would be listed on one's tax returns? Joe may be dumb, but he's not that dumb.

    Replies: @L. Guapo

    It was a pretty slick non-denial denial from the big guy.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
    @L. Guapo


    the big guy
     
    At least they didn't call him "Plugs" "Old Man", or "Pops"
  354. “Orthodoxy was not ‘Eastern’”

    It’s certainly “non-Western” as its boosters never seem to tire of telling us, and for all the little oikophobic edgelords out there who think that’s the cool thing to be these days, that’s good enough. It’s the religious equivalent of “flight from white”, or those Canadians who can’t stop letting us know how much better than the Americans they are. And how pathetically ironic is that? To present oneself as an upholder of ancient tradition only to be instantly recognizable as being as much a trend-seeker and bandwagon-hopper as any neon-haired customized-pronoun case?

    It’s like the angsty teenager who craves to be different from the rest, and so decides to be one of the goth kids who basically all dress and behave like clones of one another.

    “As for Kallistos Ware, he’s a modernist and ecumenical Orthodox.”

    Oh, so you’re the expert on that, semi-anonymous blogger on Unz? I mean, I at least provided a link to back up what I said about the Pope’s latest boner. In any case, in a church so trigger-happy when it comes to excommunicating those not up to snuff, Kallistos Ware seems to have seen precious little pushback for his “evolving” stances. Since you didn’t bother with a link, I might as well go to Wikipedia:

    Thoroughly conversant in modern Greek, Ware became an Orthodox monk at the Monastery of Saint John the Theologian in Patmos, Greece. He also frequented other major centres of Orthodoxy such as Jerusalem and Mount Athos. In 1966 he was ordained to the priesthood within the Ecumenical Patriarchate and was tonsured as a monk, receiving the name “Kállistos”…Since his retirement in 2001, Ware has continued to publish and to give lectures on Orthodox Christianity. He served as chairman of the board of directors of the Institute for Orthodox Christian Studies in Cambridge, and is chairman of the Friends of Orthodoxy on Iona (Scotland) and of the Friends of Mount Athos.

    I’m going to assume he himself wrote all or most of that, but it still speaks far louder than your dismissal, though I guess you’re free to update that entry, too, given that it clearly omits expertise that you claim to possess. So have at it.

    In general, I have no real problem with the Orthodox and none of this should be taken as a slight against them. Little wannabe edgelords, on the other hand, are a whole other matter.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @HA

    "To present oneself as an upholder of ancient tradition only to be instantly recognizable as being as much a trend-seeker and bandwagon-hopper as any neon-haired customized-pronoun case?"

    I stick to the Nicean Credo AND the Nicean canons, none of which are consistent with any other form of Christianity. In your colorful parlance, Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Evangelicals, Baptists, etc, you name them, THOSE are the larpers. No more Christian than Jehova's Witnesses or Mormons.

    As for Kallistos Ware, he's defended ecumenical positions and supports the LGTBI movement. No more need to be said.
    For "based" Orthodox theologians, look no further than Peter Heers or Josiah Trenham, both Californians like Steve. So was the late Seraphim Rose, a revered figure in Orthodoxy soon to be canonised (made a saint, in other words). The British Brother Spyridon Bailey is also excellent: he produces frequent YouTube podcasts and has written a couple of books that are preferable as introductions to Orthodoxy than Kallistos Ware's.

    As for the Orthodox Church, there's a schism ahead, and modernists and ecumenicals like Kallistos Ware are on the wrong side. Did you know that the Russian Church is no longer in communion with Bartholomew, the Patriarch of Constantinople? Because Bartholomew pushed for as schism between a CIA - approved, globo-Homo Ukrainian Church and the Russian Church in Kiev, and kissed Joe Biden on both cheeks. Even Greek bishops are divided between traditionalists, agreeing with Kyril, Patriarch of Moscow, the Third Rome, and those bought and sold by globalist money, supporting Bartholomew, NATO, and the whole globalist and freemasonic agenda.
    Only the mostly honorific patriarchs of Jerusalem, Alexandria and Antioch support Bartholomew.
    Unlike Rome, we don't need a pope-like figure. Ours is an acephallic, synodal church (look it up!).

    I understand you're some kind of Odinist or neo-pagan Euro-American hostile to anything coming from the East or reeking of semiticism. There's nothing wrong with adopting superior technologies or cultures or religions. "Ex Oriente lux" is a reality. Civilization developed in the Middle - East. Greek and Rome brought knowledge and technology and finally Christianity to the westernmost outposts of Europe.
    By the way, Christianity is not Jewish: it's explicitly anti-Jewish, in that the Messiah made Jews choose between salvation, following Jesus, or the Old Ways, the Old Covenant, remaining Jewish. And so was Israel and its temple destroyed 40 years after Jews turned their back on Jesus and had him crucified.
    Jesus was the original Final Solution: for the Jews to no longer be Jews and pester mankind with their evil ways, as Moses and their prophets tried in vain before to rein in their people's evil strain.
    A converted Jew is my brother in Faith (not blood, there's nothing in Christianity that prevents you from cherishing your own nation and people): but an observant Jew views all Gentiles as their enemies, particularly Christians.

    Would the West be the West without Christianity? Europe would likely have been destroyed and assimilated by the Turkic and Mongol hordes if Constantine had not embraced Christianity. But keep dreaming, reading nihilists like Nietzsche and listening to Black Metal, and calling real Christians "edge lords", whatever that is.

  355. @Guy De Champlagne
    @AnotherDad

    Is there a single example of a country effectively using a wall to control economic migration? All the examples that get cited are for security issues.

    Replies: @Gabe Ruth

    Can you be this stupid? Who is more motivated to cross a barrier, an economic migrant or a terrorist? There are things the latter would do that the former wouldn’t. So if a wall is effective for security issues, how will it not be effective against day laborers?

    • Replies: @Guy De Champlagne
    @Gabe Ruth

    Even your simplistic analysis doesn't mean what you think it does. If terrorists are more motivated than economic migrants and motivation is all that matters, then there would non wall measures that would stop economic migrants but not terrorists so a wall is less necessary for them.

    You can be sure that Israel or whoever is doing all sorts of non wall measures before they go through the expense of constructing and then manning and maintaining a wall. And that the Israeli wall is only effective in conjunction with those other measures. But the right wing in the US doesn't want to do effective non wall measures in the US because that would involve targeting businesses and wealthy americans. They just want to beat up on poor south Americans, because they're too stupid and emotionally damaged to understand how ineffective and unpopular that is.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon

  356. @Yngvar
    @Charles Erwin Wilson


    Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.
     
    "Real socialism have never been tried!"

    Replies: @HA, @Colin Wright

    ‘Citing the perversion of Christian doctrine does not falsify the truths of Christian doctrine.

    “Real socialism have never been tried!”

    Still, what is true is that people without Christianity are worse than they were when they had it.

    The shortcomings of the Tsars are as nothing compared to the barbarities of the Bolsheviks.

    When Mexico freed itself from the Spaniards — and their institutionalized Church — the treatment of the Indians immediately became dramatically worse.

    Somebody once asked Evelyn Waugh how, if he professed to be a Christian, he could be such a bastard. His response was that people had no idea how awful he would be if he wasn’t a Christian.

  357. @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia
    @Anonymous

    Here's the problem: even if Trump implemented every last detail of his "agenda" and even if you told all the girls to grow up, a lot of them would still choose the grifter and his deranged progressive handlers because being against Trump is a feel-good sisterhood move.

    I move in these circles. I hear what these otherwise nice women say about Trump. The reaction isn't rational, it's visceral.

    "Oh, Jackie, that Trump is such a mean asshole."
    "Yeah, Susie, don't you just hate the way he insults people. Why can't he play nice?"

    Replies: @Jim Don Bob

    “He eats ketchup on his well done steak.”

    Much of female revulsion to DJT is nothing more than he’s so icky and gross.

    Until he turns his attention to me, of course.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    @Jim Don Bob

    That is Ximena Navarrete (Mexican) with Trump. His steaks were so well done that they rocked back n forth on the plate on the way from kitchen to his table at Mar A Lago. So said his long time butler or waiter. Liberal Trump use of ketchup on this stiff steak.

    Not my way to eat steak but mark down TRUMP as a confirmed carnivore. He will eat them alive on Nov 3rd

  358. @Etruscan Film Star
    @BB753


    And I pity adults trapped in a digital world designed for teenagers and by adults with the maturity of teenagers. Also, I despise those adults trapped by Netflix, HBO, etc, whose life revolve around stupid never-ending series.
     
    It's surprising there hasn't been more discussion about the sociology of all those "never-ending series." More than half the offerings on Netflix streaming are strings of episodes rather than movies in the traditional format. It's as if new releases for streaming are designed for binge watching. How does this affect people's habits?

    I think the trend began before the Covid Police began their assault on public spaces, but no doubt the restrictions on social undistance kicked the media's flanks. They have an extra grip on the viewer's attention now. Whatever the influences, if stay-at-home entertainment continues to replace human interaction, the TV movie will be replaced by "seasons." We are heading back to the days of serial television watching, a new episode every week, except now you are invited to strap yourself in and tape your eyes open to watch the whole season in a weekend.

    I've seen several series comprising four and eight segments that would have been better at half the length. They filled out the extended screen time with obvious padding, irrelevant subplots, and repetition. These days I tend to reject even seasons that sound interesting if they ask eight hours of my lifetime and -- if halfway popular -- launch another season or three.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer

    I get bored after about 6 hours of anything. I’m not much interested in how the plot turns out. After all, they are just making the story up. But I am interested in the initial world-building / perspective on the world.

    • Replies: @BB753
    @Steve Sailer

    "I get bored after about 6 hours of anything."

    Thank God you don't really have to read every assinine post we commenters leave here on Isteve, lol!

  359. @L. Guapo
    @Harry Baldwin

    It was a pretty slick non-denial denial from the big guy.

    Replies: @Neil Templeton

    the big guy

    At least they didn’t call him “Plugs” “Old Man”, or “Pops”

  360. @Gabe Ruth
    @Guy De Champlagne

    Can you be this stupid? Who is more motivated to cross a barrier, an economic migrant or a terrorist? There are things the latter would do that the former wouldn't. So if a wall is effective for security issues, how will it not be effective against day laborers?

    Replies: @Guy De Champlagne

    Even your simplistic analysis doesn’t mean what you think it does. If terrorists are more motivated than economic migrants and motivation is all that matters, then there would non wall measures that would stop economic migrants but not terrorists so a wall is less necessary for them.

    You can be sure that Israel or whoever is doing all sorts of non wall measures before they go through the expense of constructing and then manning and maintaining a wall. And that the Israeli wall is only effective in conjunction with those other measures. But the right wing in the US doesn’t want to do effective non wall measures in the US because that would involve targeting businesses and wealthy americans. They just want to beat up on poor south Americans, because they’re too stupid and emotionally damaged to understand how ineffective and unpopular that is.

    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Guy De Champlagne

    The Israeli walls (mostly fences) have been hugely successful and not very costly.

    , @anon
    @Guy De Champlagne

    @Tiresome shill.

    Here is a fence. It wasn't that expensive to construct. It works. See if you can find out where it is.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kFQlV7V-eV4/hqdefault.jpg

    https://images.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/gallery/20160124/bsfsecurity_20160124_600_855.jpg

    This is a different fence but as with the other one it doesn't cost much and works.

    https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/article_images/2016/07/28/560608.jpg

    Guess where?

    Replies: @BB753

  361. @Guy De Champlagne
    @Gabe Ruth

    Even your simplistic analysis doesn't mean what you think it does. If terrorists are more motivated than economic migrants and motivation is all that matters, then there would non wall measures that would stop economic migrants but not terrorists so a wall is less necessary for them.

    You can be sure that Israel or whoever is doing all sorts of non wall measures before they go through the expense of constructing and then manning and maintaining a wall. And that the Israeli wall is only effective in conjunction with those other measures. But the right wing in the US doesn't want to do effective non wall measures in the US because that would involve targeting businesses and wealthy americans. They just want to beat up on poor south Americans, because they're too stupid and emotionally damaged to understand how ineffective and unpopular that is.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon

    The Israeli walls (mostly fences) have been hugely successful and not very costly.

  362. @Neoconned
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Einstein was quoted as saying "i do not know what WW3 will be fought with but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones....."

    Any war against Xi or Putin will go WMD and then WE ALL are dead.

    MAD, and all that Cold War stuff.....

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    Any war against Xi or Putin will go WMD and then WE ALL are dead.

    I think Taiwan and the Persian Gulf are the most likely flashpoints.

    If a Nimitz-class carrier winds up on the bottom of the South China Sea or Persian Gulf with all hands lost, the public will bay for blood.

    That means nuclear-tipped Tomahawks into the Three Gorges Dam or downtown Tehran.

    At that point the best life plan is to run towards the light.

  363. anon[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @Guy De Champlagne
    @Gabe Ruth

    Even your simplistic analysis doesn't mean what you think it does. If terrorists are more motivated than economic migrants and motivation is all that matters, then there would non wall measures that would stop economic migrants but not terrorists so a wall is less necessary for them.

    You can be sure that Israel or whoever is doing all sorts of non wall measures before they go through the expense of constructing and then manning and maintaining a wall. And that the Israeli wall is only effective in conjunction with those other measures. But the right wing in the US doesn't want to do effective non wall measures in the US because that would involve targeting businesses and wealthy americans. They just want to beat up on poor south Americans, because they're too stupid and emotionally damaged to understand how ineffective and unpopular that is.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @anon

    @Tiresome shill.

    Here is a fence. It wasn’t that expensive to construct. It works. See if you can find out where it is.

    This is a different fence but as with the other one it doesn’t cost much and works.

    Guess where?

    • Replies: @BB753
    @anon

    India?

  364. Truth… I figured these clever high IQ fences were in Hungary, Serbia and Eastern Europe. But I cheated and did an image search. These gloriously barbed wire fences are from India-Kashmir area.

    As always you need armed troops to back these up. These fences. The Hindus are copying and building on what the Israeli border fence builders have done. So so so obvious.

  365. @Jim Don Bob
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    "He eats ketchup on his well done steak."

    Much of female revulsion to DJT is nothing more than he's so icky and gross.

    Until he turns his attention to me, of course.

    https://cdn.cms.prod.nypr.digital/images/2016_05_dtrumpsuccess.2e16d0ba.fill-661x496.jpg

    Replies: @Clyde

    That is Ximena Navarrete (Mexican) with Trump. His steaks were so well done that they rocked back n forth on the plate on the way from kitchen to his table at Mar A Lago. So said his long time butler or waiter. Liberal Trump use of ketchup on this stiff steak.

    Not my way to eat steak but mark down TRUMP as a confirmed carnivore. He will eat them alive on Nov 3rd

  366. @Steve Sailer
    @Etruscan Film Star

    I get bored after about 6 hours of anything. I'm not much interested in how the plot turns out. After all, they are just making the story up. But I am interested in the initial world-building / perspective on the world.

    Replies: @BB753

    “I get bored after about 6 hours of anything.”

    Thank God you don’t really have to read every assinine post we commenters leave here on Isteve, lol!

  367. @HA
    "Orthodoxy was not 'Eastern'"

    It's certainly "non-Western" as its boosters never seem to tire of telling us, and for all the little oikophobic edgelords out there who think that's the cool thing to be these days, that's good enough. It's the religious equivalent of "flight from white", or those Canadians who can't stop letting us know how much better than the Americans they are. And how pathetically ironic is that? To present oneself as an upholder of ancient tradition only to be instantly recognizable as being as much a trend-seeker and bandwagon-hopper as any neon-haired customized-pronoun case?

    It's like the angsty teenager who craves to be different from the rest, and so decides to be one of the goth kids who basically all dress and behave like clones of one another.

    "As for Kallistos Ware, he’s a modernist and ecumenical Orthodox."

    Oh, so you're the expert on that, semi-anonymous blogger on Unz? I mean, I at least provided a link to back up what I said about the Pope's latest boner. In any case, in a church so trigger-happy when it comes to excommunicating those not up to snuff, Kallistos Ware seems to have seen precious little pushback for his "evolving" stances. Since you didn't bother with a link, I might as well go to Wikipedia:


    Thoroughly conversant in modern Greek, Ware became an Orthodox monk at the Monastery of Saint John the Theologian in Patmos, Greece. He also frequented other major centres of Orthodoxy such as Jerusalem and Mount Athos. In 1966 he was ordained to the priesthood within the Ecumenical Patriarchate and was tonsured as a monk, receiving the name "Kállistos"...Since his retirement in 2001, Ware has continued to publish and to give lectures on Orthodox Christianity. He served as chairman of the board of directors of the Institute for Orthodox Christian Studies in Cambridge, and is chairman of the Friends of Orthodoxy on Iona (Scotland) and of the Friends of Mount Athos.
     
    I'm going to assume he himself wrote all or most of that, but it still speaks far louder than your dismissal, though I guess you're free to update that entry, too, given that it clearly omits expertise that you claim to possess. So have at it.

    In general, I have no real problem with the Orthodox and none of this should be taken as a slight against them. Little wannabe edgelords, on the other hand, are a whole other matter.

    Replies: @BB753

    “To present oneself as an upholder of ancient tradition only to be instantly recognizable as being as much a trend-seeker and bandwagon-hopper as any neon-haired customized-pronoun case?”

    I stick to the Nicean Credo AND the Nicean canons, none of which are consistent with any other form of Christianity. In your colorful parlance, Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Evangelicals, Baptists, etc, you name them, THOSE are the larpers. No more Christian than Jehova’s Witnesses or Mormons.

    As for Kallistos Ware, he’s defended ecumenical positions and supports the LGTBI movement. No more need to be said.
    For “based” Orthodox theologians, look no further than Peter Heers or Josiah Trenham, both Californians like Steve. So was the late Seraphim Rose, a revered figure in Orthodoxy soon to be canonised (made a saint, in other words). The British Brother Spyridon Bailey is also excellent: he produces frequent YouTube podcasts and has written a couple of books that are preferable as introductions to Orthodoxy than Kallistos Ware’s.

    As for the Orthodox Church, there’s a schism ahead, and modernists and ecumenicals like Kallistos Ware are on the wrong side. Did you know that the Russian Church is no longer in communion with Bartholomew, the Patriarch of Constantinople? Because Bartholomew pushed for as schism between a CIA – approved, globo-Homo Ukrainian Church and the Russian Church in Kiev, and kissed Joe Biden on both cheeks. Even Greek bishops are divided between traditionalists, agreeing with Kyril, Patriarch of Moscow, the Third Rome, and those bought and sold by globalist money, supporting Bartholomew, NATO, and the whole globalist and freemasonic agenda.
    Only the mostly honorific patriarchs of Jerusalem, Alexandria and Antioch support Bartholomew.
    Unlike Rome, we don’t need a pope-like figure. Ours is an acephallic, synodal church (look it up!).

    I understand you’re some kind of Odinist or neo-pagan Euro-American hostile to anything coming from the East or reeking of semiticism. There’s nothing wrong with adopting superior technologies or cultures or religions. “Ex Oriente lux” is a reality. Civilization developed in the Middle – East. Greek and Rome brought knowledge and technology and finally Christianity to the westernmost outposts of Europe.
    By the way, Christianity is not Jewish: it’s explicitly anti-Jewish, in that the Messiah made Jews choose between salvation, following Jesus, or the Old Ways, the Old Covenant, remaining Jewish. And so was Israel and its temple destroyed 40 years after Jews turned their back on Jesus and had him crucified.
    Jesus was the original Final Solution: for the Jews to no longer be Jews and pester mankind with their evil ways, as Moses and their prophets tried in vain before to rein in their people’s evil strain.
    A converted Jew is my brother in Faith (not blood, there’s nothing in Christianity that prevents you from cherishing your own nation and people): but an observant Jew views all Gentiles as their enemies, particularly Christians.

    Would the West be the West without Christianity? Europe would likely have been destroyed and assimilated by the Turkic and Mongol hordes if Constantine had not embraced Christianity. But keep dreaming, reading nihilists like Nietzsche and listening to Black Metal, and calling real Christians “edge lords”, whatever that is.

  368. @anon
    @Guy De Champlagne

    @Tiresome shill.

    Here is a fence. It wasn't that expensive to construct. It works. See if you can find out where it is.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kFQlV7V-eV4/hqdefault.jpg

    https://images.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/gallery/20160124/bsfsecurity_20160124_600_855.jpg

    This is a different fence but as with the other one it doesn't cost much and works.

    https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/dh/files/article_images/2016/07/28/560608.jpg

    Guess where?

    Replies: @BB753

    India?

  369. @Dan Hayes
    @Bardon Kaldian

    What has that got to do with the price of meat in China?

    Replies: @BB753

    Maybe the word “Episcopalian” just evokes gayness in his mind. You can’t really blame him, lol! Although Roman Catholics are making real progress in warming up to the LGTBI lobby.
    Just listen to this pro-LGTBI Jesuit priest! He’s even written a pro-gay book!

    https://www.harpercollins.com/products/building-a-bridge-james-martin

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